From gyral at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 08:50:14 2006 From: gyral at yahoo.com (Sam Rafter) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania Message-ID: <20060801155014.38247.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The proud tradition of Green Party candidates taking money from Republicans continues? http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15166569.htm I couldn't get www.Romanelli2006.com to load, but I'm curious how Romanelli spins this. Greens taking money from Republicans seems like an unhealthy trend to follow. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net Tue Aug 1 09:05:18 2006 From: larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net (Larry Cafiero_Liaison) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:05:18 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <20060801155014.38247.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060801155014.38247.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44CF7BBE.8050803@earthlink.net> I'm going to assume, Sam, that your statement about Greens taking money from Republicans is sarcasm, as there is no "tradition" of this sort at all. However, we have had Republicans co-opt the party for their own purposes right in our own backyard. In 2004, a Monterey Republican Central Committee member named Paul Bruno put up the filing fee for Carmel electrician unknown to anyone in the local party in Monterey for the 15th Senate District in an effort to take votes away from the Democrat in that race. I don't know this guy Romanelli, or the Green Party gubernatorial candidate they mention, but I would be willing to bet that they are Greens by registration only, and nothing else (or, worse, Republicans trying to game the electoral system at our expense). I think they are props set up by the Republicans in the same way this guy in SD15 was set up. True, it looks bad, but then it would be interesting to see how the Pa. Green Party reacts to this. Larry Cafiero Liaison to the Secretary of State Green Party of California Sam Rafter wrote: > The proud tradition of Green Party candidates taking money from Republicans > continues? > > http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15166569.htm > > I couldn't get www.Romanelli2006.com to load, but I'm curious how Romanelli > spins this. Greens taking money from Republicans seems like an unhealthy trend > to follow. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Tue Aug 1 09:35:50 2006 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:35:50 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania Message-ID: There's a big difference between a GP candidate taking money from a GOP PAC and accepting money from individual Republicans. Most registered voters in the US are registered Dem or GOP. A GP candidate with broad appeal, getting donations from all over political space, is going to get most of those donations from registered Dems or GOPs. (I refuse to use the brainwashing phrase "political spectrum." Politics is not a one dimensional number line, it's a many-dimensional space.) What matters more is the size of the individual contributions. If he gets a thousand apiece from a handful of activist GOPs, something's fishy. If he gets hundreds of small contributions from real individuals, it just means he's a viable candidate. And because of the ongoing campaign of superstition known as "the spoiler effect," most Dems have been convinced that Green candidates, by some mathematical magic, quantitatively harm Dem candidacies. Belief in this "effect" suppresses donations from registered Dems to GP candidates, which raises the relative share of donations received from registered GOPs. Belief in the "effect" may encourage some GOPs to donate to a GP candidate just to make mischief, but I doubt they'd send a whole lot of money to a candiate whose positions they disagree with. Notice that the superstition is once again mentioned as if it were fact, in the first paragraph of the AP story. The GP candidate "is expected" to "siphon votes." "Political observers say... draw votes away." And nobody argues it's nonsense. It's just another in an endless stream of horserace "spoiler effect" stories. That's become the standard spin for mainstream coverage of the GP. Reporters don't even have to think of a new "hook" for a GP story, they've got one ready made. Many Greens fell for this mathematical nonsense. Some actually believe it, despite their inability to support it with valid mathematical argument. Others think it will somehow *help* the Green Party, by scaring the Dem Party into some kind of electoral reforms involving proportional representation or dropping out of their gerrymandering deals with the GOP. Even *smart* Greens like Steve Hill and Medea Benjamin have promoted it. The success of the "spoiler effect" propaganda campaign is the reason the Dems *aren't* scared of us here. I believe accepting the "spoiler effect" was the biggest strategic miscalculation in the history of the Green Party. It's the biggest reason our numbers and our ballot lines have declined in the US in this century. We actually *helped* the Dem Party execute its campaign, based on a mathematical lie, to destroy us. It was *our* failure that horserace spoiler effect became the standard hook for GP coverage. I believe we could have done better to recognize the Dems' single best weapon against us for what it was, and to confront it at every turn, head-on, for the dirty lie that it is. Cameron From baalavi at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 10:58:30 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060801175831.60627.qmail@web52111.mail.yahoo.com> Along the lines of "spoiler effect" ... remind Dems of that CA Recall where the GREENS showed DEMOCRATS how to RETAIN their position. But Democrat's hubris, indifference, incompetence and snobbish attitude prevailed to have the most visible elected office of CA handed to Republicans in a silver platter. Greens had NOTHING to do with that. If I rmember the "numbers" correctly: Governator 47% (Republican) Bustamante 41% (Democrat) % Dem vote for (R) 12% (some quoted even over 20%) tot Green vote LESS than 5% So, even if Democrats had ALL the Green votes, they'd still lose, as they did. To their own inaction and incompetence. Nothing else. They lost to their own incompetence where "Democrat Queen Frankenstein " couldn't make up her mind and set her heart to support Democrat Candidate Bustamante. My % numbers are from memory, which may not be precise. But the precise numbers of that election may even better speak to Democrats: Clear as daylight. "Cameron L. Spitzer" wrote: There's a big difference between a GP candidate taking money from a GOP PAC and accepting money from individual Republicans. Most registered voters in the US are registered Dem or GOP. A GP candidate with broad appeal, getting donations from all over political space, is going to get most of those donations from registered Dems or GOPs. (I refuse to use the brainwashing phrase "political spectrum." Politics is not a one dimensional number line, it's a many-dimensional space.) What matters more is the size of the individual contributions. If he gets a thousand apiece from a handful of activist GOPs, something's fishy. If he gets hundreds of small contributions from real individuals, it just means he's a viable candidate. And because of the ongoing campaign of superstition known as "the spoiler effect," most Dems have been convinced that Green candidates, by some mathematical magic, quantitatively harm Dem candidacies. Belief in this "effect" suppresses donations from registered Dems to GP candidates, which raises the relative share of donations received from registered GOPs. Belief in the "effect" may encourage some GOPs to donate to a GP candidate just to make mischief, but I doubt they'd send a whole lot of money to a candiate whose positions they disagree with. Notice that the superstition is once again mentioned as if it were fact, in the first paragraph of the AP story. The GP candidate "is expected" to "siphon votes." "Political observers say... draw votes away." And nobody argues it's nonsense. It's just another in an endless stream of horserace "spoiler effect" stories. That's become the standard spin for mainstream coverage of the GP. Reporters don't even have to think of a new "hook" for a GP story, they've got one ready made. Many Greens fell for this mathematical nonsense. Some actually believe it, despite their inability to support it with valid mathematical argument. Others think it will somehow *help* the Green Party, by scaring the Dem Party into some kind of electoral reforms involving proportional representation or dropping out of their gerrymandering deals with the GOP. Even *smart* Greens like Steve Hill and Medea Benjamin have promoted it. The success of the "spoiler effect" propaganda campaign is the reason the Dems *aren't* scared of us here. I believe accepting the "spoiler effect" was the biggest strategic miscalculation in the history of the Green Party. It's the biggest reason our numbers and our ballot lines have declined in the US in this century. We actually *helped* the Dem Party execute its campaign, based on a mathematical lie, to destroy us. It was *our* failure that horserace spoiler effect became the standard hook for GP coverage. I believe we could have done better to recognize the Dems' single best weapon against us for what it was, and to confront it at every turn, head-on, for the dirty lie that it is. Cameron _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WB4D23 at aol.com Tue Aug 1 11:08:36 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:08:36 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Request for Agenda Items Message-ID: <538.30d55480.3200f2a4@aol.com> Someone should do a report back from the planning meeting. It appears the GPCA ballot measures report for County Polling will not happen sooner than August 4th, and the plenary is scheduled for September 9th-10th, and our next membership meeting per current schedule would not be until September 7th. 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URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Aug 1 11:32:53 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:32:53 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania References: <20060801155014.38247.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44CF7BBE.8050803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44CF9E55.9090106@earthlink.net> For what it's worth, here is a press release from the Green Party of Pennsylvania announcing that Romanelli was nominated at the state convention: http://www.gpofpa.org/print.php?sid=37 Gerry Larry Cafiero_Liaison wrote: > I'm going to assume, Sam, that your statement about Greens taking money > from Republicans is sarcasm, as there is no "tradition" of this sort at all. > > However, we have had Republicans co-opt the party for their own purposes > right in our own backyard. In 2004, a Monterey Republican Central > Committee member named Paul Bruno put up the filing fee for Carmel > electrician unknown to anyone in the local party in Monterey for the > 15th Senate District in an effort to take votes away from the Democrat > in that race. > > I don't know this guy Romanelli, or the Green Party gubernatorial > candidate they mention, but I would be willing to bet that they are > Greens by registration only, and nothing else (or, worse, Republicans > trying to game the electoral system at our expense). I think they are > props set up by the Republicans in the same way this guy in SD15 was set up. > > True, it looks bad, but then it would be interesting to see how the Pa. > Green Party reacts to this. > > Larry Cafiero > Liaison to the Secretary of State > Green Party of California > > Sam Rafter wrote: > >>The proud tradition of Green Party candidates taking money from Republicans >>continues? >> >>http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15166569.htm >> >>I couldn't get www.Romanelli2006.com to load, but I'm curious how Romanelli >>spins this. Greens taking money from Republicans seems like an unhealthy trend >>to follow. >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >>_______________________________________________ >>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > From larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net Tue Aug 1 11:35:28 2006 From: larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net (Larry Cafiero_Liaison) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:35:28 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CF9EF0.2080703@earthlink.net> Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > There's a big difference between a GP candidate taking money > from a GOP PAC and accepting money from individual Republicans. > Good point, Cameron. > Most registered voters in the US are registered Dem or GOP. > A GP candidate with broad appeal, getting donations from all > over political space, is going to get most of those donations > from registered Dems or GOPs. (I refuse to use the brainwashing > phrase "political spectrum." Politics is not a one dimensional > number line, it's a many-dimensional space.) > What matters more is the size of the individual contributions. > If he gets a thousand apiece from a handful of activist GOPs, > something's fishy. If he gets hundreds of small contributions > from real individuals, it just means he's a viable candidate. > That's true. But what seems to be fishy here is that they contracted with JSM from Florida to do their petition collecting after having collected this money. Why they didn't get a local firm or pay local volunteers in Pennsylvania is a mystery. > And because of the ongoing campaign of superstition known as > "the spoiler effect," most Dems have been convinced that Green > candidates, by some mathematical magic, quantitatively harm Dem candidacies. > Belief in this "effect" suppresses donations from registered Dems to GP > candidates, which raises the relative share of donations received > from registered GOPs. Belief in the "effect" may encourage > some GOPs to donate to a GP candidate just to make mischief, > but I doubt they'd send a whole lot of money to a candiate > whose positions they disagree with. > > Notice that the superstition is once again mentioned as if it > were fact, in the first paragraph of the AP story. > Another good point. The fact that Greens are in the race to raise issues and, if we can get voters behind us, to win. Further, it's our right to be there, and the Democrats have to earn people's votes, just as we do, and just as other parties do. > The GP candidate "is expected" to "siphon votes." > "Political observers say... draw votes away." > And nobody argues it's nonsense. It's just another in an > endless stream of horserace "spoiler effect" stories. That's > become the standard spin for mainstream coverage of the GP. > Reporters don't even have to think of a new "hook" for a GP story, > they've got one ready made. > > Many Greens fell for this mathematical nonsense. Some actually > believe it, despite their inability to support it with valid > mathematical argument. Others think it will somehow *help* > the Green Party, by scaring the Dem Party into some kind of > electoral reforms involving proportional representation or dropping > out of their gerrymandering deals with the GOP. > Even *smart* Greens like Steve Hill and Medea Benjamin have > promoted it. > The success of the "spoiler effect" propaganda campaign is the > reason the Dems *aren't* scared of us here. > > I believe accepting the "spoiler effect" was the biggest > strategic miscalculation in the history of the Green Party. > What do you think can be done to stop this, Cameron? We have a flier in Santa Cruz County about the so-called "spoiler" effect, but what else is there? Larry Cafiero Liaison to the Secretary of State Green Party of California From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Aug 1 12:21:49 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:21:49 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Proposed Agenda for County Meeting Message-ID: <44CFA9CD.9000805@earthlink.net> Below is the proposed agenda. Please note that there are some "?" in here. Any assistance in clarifying the "?"'s would be appreciated. Thanks, Gerry ======================================================= Proposed Agenda for County Meeting Thursday, August 3, 2006 Location: San Jose Peace Center 48 South 7th Street, San Jose http://www.sanjosepeace.org/ 6:30 Socializing and Dinner - 7:30 Meeting (dinner is not provided by the Peace Center, so bring your own or get it from one of the nearby restaurants) -- Preliminary Items -- Choose Facilitator(s), Note-Taker(s), Time Keeper, and Vibes Watcher(s) (5) Introductions and Short Announcements (5) Revise and Affirm Agenda (5) -- Main Part -- 1. Treasurer's Report (10) Cameron 2. National Party Business Tucson Report (10) Drew 3. State Party Business Regional Rep Report (5) Mitch Smith Sept. Plenary (10) (??) Selecting delegates Proposals Meeting Ballot Initiatives Campaign Contact Person (5) Gerry (Jo C. has requested a contact person for the campaign) 4. Old Business Tabling (15) (Jim Doyle) Fourth of July "weekend" (Cameron?) Buttons Future Events Labor Day March? SJSU? Literature Needs (5) Jim D. info for GP candidates Planning Meeting Report (10) (??) Picnic Details (5) Warner Help Needed Newsletter (10) Jim D. (should mail by Sept. 15) 5. New Business Video Group Report (10?) (??) Budget (15) Jim D. Forum (??) (??) (Total scheduled time: 2 hours, 5 minutes?) -- Future Events -- Next GPSCC meeting Thursday, September 7, 2006 -- Disclaimer -- The items summarized above are agenda suggestions, only. The actual meeting agenda is affirmed at the meeting by those who are present. Additionally, the times allotted to agenda items may be changed during the course of the meeting, and some items may not e reached during the meeting because of time limits. Persons receiving this email are invited to make additional suggestions or corrections regarding potential agenda items, time estimates or the agenda sequence. Please share this information with individuals who do not have email. From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Aug 1 12:57:46 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:57:46 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <44CF9EF0.2080703@earthlink.net> References: <44CF9EF0.2080703@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44CFB23A.6000303@ispwest.com> Larry Cafiero_Liaison wrote: >Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > >>The GP candidate "is expected" to "siphon votes." >>"Political observers say... draw votes away." >>And nobody argues it's nonsense. It's just another in an >>endless stream of horserace "spoiler effect" stories. That's >>become the standard spin for mainstream coverage of the GP. >>Reporters don't even have to think of a new "hook" for a GP story, >>they've got one ready made. >> >>Many Greens fell for this mathematical nonsense. Some actually >>believe it, despite their inability to support it with valid >>mathematical argument. Others think it will somehow *help* >>the Green Party, by scaring the Dem Party into some kind of >>electoral reforms involving proportional representation or dropping >>out of their gerrymandering deals with the GOP. >>Even *smart* Greens like Steve Hill and Medea Benjamin have >>promoted it. >>The success of the "spoiler effect" propaganda campaign is the >>reason the Dems *aren't* scared of us here. >> >>I believe accepting the "spoiler effect" was the biggest >>strategic miscalculation in the history of the Green Party. >> >> >> >What do you think can be done to stop this, Cameron? We have a flier in >Santa Cruz County about the so-called "spoiler" effect, but what else is >there? > > > > I'm thinking there is one dollar one vote marketplace democracy. As in, "the electoral system is so spoiled by corruption that we have to speak with out dollars in the marketplace." It's based on old fashioned american values of independance, common sense and faith that the facts will speak for themselves eventually. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I went camping over the weekend. Looking at the stars, I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits the eye with way more light then they actually send us. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Aug 1 13:07:27 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] One dollar, one vote, was [No great press out of Pennsylvania] References: <44CF9EF0.2080703@earthlink.net> <44CFB23A.6000303@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <44CFB47F.6020805@earthlink.net> Tian Harter wrote: > I'm thinking there is one dollar one vote marketplace democracy. > As in, "the electoral system is so spoiled by corruption that we > have to speak with out dollars in the marketplace." It's based on > old fashioned american values of independance, common sense > and faith that the facts will speak for themselves eventually. > > I think I agree that people should vote in the marketplace with their dollars. I say "I think" because I have not really thought it out. If everyone did that it might lead to those whose politics were unpopular might have trouble surviving economically. But as I said I have not thought it out. ... I would like to point out that part of the reason our democracy is so sick is because practically speaking, our politicians are now bought with money, not votes, so in a sense, the problem is that our system now is one dollar - one vote, instead of one person - one vote. Gerry From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Aug 1 13:40:03 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:40:03 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] One dollar, one vote, was [No great press out of Pennsylvania] In-Reply-To: <44CFB47F.6020805@earthlink.net> References: <44CF9EF0.2080703@earthlink.net> <44CFB23A.6000303@ispwest.com> <44CFB47F.6020805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44CFBC23.6010203@ispwest.com> Gerry Gras wrote: > > > Tian Harter wrote: > > > > >> I'm thinking there is one dollar one vote marketplace democracy. >> As in, "the electoral system is so spoiled by corruption that we >> have to speak with out dollars in the marketplace." It's based on >> old fashioned american values of independance, common sense >> and faith that the facts will speak for themselves eventually. >> >> > > I think I agree that people should vote in the marketplace with > their dollars. I say "I think" because I have not really thought > it out. If everyone did that it might lead to those whose politics > were unpopular might have trouble surviving economically. But as > I said I have not thought it out. What I've learned is that the role of religion and free speech are totally different when you take one dollar one vote seriously. Selling five MEND YOUR FUELISH WAYS stickers to a Food Not Bombs activist so "my county's feeding program can go totally fossil fuel free" took on a mythical significance to me. > > ... > > I would like to point out that part of the reason our democracy is > so sick is because practically speaking, our politicians are now > bought with money, not votes, so in a sense, the problem is that > our system now is one dollar - one vote, instead of one person > - one vote. > The role of privacy issues in public debate gets interesting to. I'm a private party. Anybody that goes to a gas station is probably also private party. Every business trading goods and services with the public is also a private party on some level. The thing is, people with something to hide tend to think money isn't that interesting until you have at least four digits in the numbers on the table. I'm listening to the radio. Thoms Friedman is saying that the Bush Administration has "no moral authority." Respecting privacy is one of those things government gets moral authority from. I like to think my local governement respects my privacy. I'd hate to think I had no government I can respect. You don't have to invade someones privacy to find out if they waste energy. They will tell you. People that brag about taking a vacation in (exotic foreign place here) are saying "I used lots of energy for nothing but my own entertainment." People that show up driving Hummers are obviously wasting energy. It's remarkable how transparent the energy issue is, from my point of view. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I went camping over the weekend. Looking at the stars, I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits the eye with way more light then they actually send us. From erik at kiehle.com Tue Aug 1 16:39:27 2006 From: erik at kiehle.com (Erik Kiehle) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:39:27 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <44CF7BBE.8050803@earthlink.net> References: <20060801155014.38247.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44CF7BBE.8050803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <28912BD0-F0BD-42B5-8715-418E577ED765@kiehle.com> For those who remember me I was seriously interested in running in 2004 for State Assembly District 24. Long-time Assemblyman Joe Simitian was termed-out and I thought it would be interesting to run as a Green candidate in the Silicon Valley area where I grew up. I filed the "Intention to File" paperwork that became public record of my intention to run. I was getting a late start and realized I would probably need to pay the Filing Fee instead of gathering signatures. In then end I moved with my family just outside of the district boundaries and therefore couldn't run in that district. However, as the filing deadline approached I received calls from two very determined persons interested in paying my filing fee for me to get me on the ballot. Since the election had a very strong Republican candidate (who spent millions of his own money), the race was won by only 3.2 percent in the Democratic candidate's favor. After reflection I realized that during the November 2002 election the average vote for the statewide Green candidates was about 4.5 percent. It may not have made any difference in the AD 24 election results but I had to think that for about $1100 filing fee donation to my campaign, any Republican may have made it a very narrow margin for that election. I think the statistics in past elections (especially the recall election) show that the Democrats are their own worst enemy. But, I think it is a relatively cheap tactic for the Republicans to pay for a 3rd party candidate's filing just to stir things up. I'm actually surprised we haven't seen more Republican's changing party registration just so they can try to draw off Democrat voters. (This strategy could also be used in reverse where there are Republican majorities though maybe with Libertarian candidate or other parties). I'm not sure if there are any statistics of numbers reflecting how often Republicans vs Democrats vote for Green party candidates. Thanks, Erik Kiehle On Aug 1, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Larry Cafiero_Liaison wrote: > I'm going to assume, Sam, that your statement about Greens taking > money > from Republicans is sarcasm, as there is no "tradition" of this > sort at all. > > However, we have had Republicans co-opt the party for their own > purposes > right in our own backyard. In 2004, a Monterey Republican Central > Committee member named Paul Bruno put up the filing fee for Carmel > electrician unknown to anyone in the local party in Monterey for the > 15th Senate District in an effort to take votes away from the Democrat > in that race. > > I don't know this guy Romanelli, or the Green Party gubernatorial > candidate they mention, but I would be willing to bet that they are > Greens by registration only, and nothing else (or, worse, Republicans > trying to game the electoral system at our expense). I think they are > props set up by the Republicans in the same way this guy in SD15 > was set up. > > True, it looks bad, but then it would be interesting to see how the > Pa. > Green Party reacts to this. > > Larry Cafiero > Liaison to the Secretary of State > Green Party of California > > Sam Rafter wrote: >> The proud tradition of Green Party candidates taking money from >> Republicans >> continues? >> >> http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15166569.htm >> >> I couldn't get www.Romanelli2006.com to load, but I'm curious how >> Romanelli >> spins this. Greens taking money from Republicans seems like an >> unhealthy trend >> to follow. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2434 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jims at greens.org Tue Aug 1 19:07:02 2006 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:07:02 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] ideas (questions) about agenda References: <44C95818.6050607@charter.net> Message-ID: <44D008C6.160E44EE@greens.org> We need to continue the discussion about having separate discussion and business meetings. 20 min. -- Jim From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Tue Aug 1 20:08:16 2006 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:08:16 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania Message-ID: Larry wrote: >Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:35:28 -0700 >From: Larry Cafiero_Liaison >User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) >To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >In-Reply-To: >Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania >Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: >> >> What matters more is the size of the individual contributions. >> If he gets a thousand apiece from a handful of activist GOPs, >> something's fishy. If he gets hundreds of small contributions >> from real individuals, it just means he's a viable candidate. >> >That's true. But what seems to be fishy here is that they contracted >with JSM from Florida to do their petition collecting after having >collected this money. Why they didn't get a local firm or pay local >volunteers in Pennsylvania is a mystery. Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by ineptness. Why does the Green Party of the US contract with spammer-for-hire Democracy In Action? Because they don't know any better! Because they didn't think they could do the job themselves. Because Dem Inaction (funny name, eh?) told them what they wanted to hear. Because DiA *asked for their business*. I'll bet JSM watches the secretary of state offices and pitches everybody who files that kind of papers. >> I believe accepting the "spoiler effect" was the biggest >> strategic miscalculation in the history of the Green Party. >> >What do you think can be done to stop this, Cameron? We have a flier in >Santa Cruz County about the so-called "spoiler" effect, but what else is >there? I don't know. It's really hard to kill a superstition once it's established. Superstitions work at a deep emotional level and are fairly impervious to mere logic and facts and common sense. We need an equally instinctive and emotional antidote argument. I don't have one. But the least we can do is not *feed* it any more. *Challenge* the assumption that there's any such thing as "spoiling," every time it comes up. It's a crackpot theory, after all. Demand that the crackpots who propose it either prove it or let it remain a question. Don't let it be "a given." There's one thing I've learned. Don't argue the mathematics. The Age of Reason is *over*. We are in a new Dark Ages. Look at how the propaganda system is getting away with demonizing and marginalizing scientists today. When mathematics says one thing, and intuition and wishful thinking say something else, people "go with their gut." Logic is so "bo-ring!" and science is a real buzz-killer. Throw her in the water and if she floats, she's a witch. Wrap that mathematical demand in a joke so it doesn't remind people of their geometry teacher. "Gore stole all those votes from Nader, and then he didn't even use them." I think in this age of anti-rationality, that's about the best we can do. Cameron From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Aug 1 22:30:37 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:30:37 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <28912BD0-F0BD-42B5-8715-418E577ED765@kiehle.com> References: <20060801155014.38247.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44CF7BBE.8050803@earthlink.net> <28912BD0-F0BD-42B5-8715-418E577ED765@kiehle.com> Message-ID: <44D0387D.8040209@ispwest.com> Erik Kiehle wrote: > > I think the statistics in past elections (especially the recall > election) show that the Democrats are their own worst enemy. But, I > think it is a relatively cheap tactic for the Republicans to pay for > a 3rd party candidate's filing just to stir things up. I'm actually > surprised we haven't seen more Republican's changing party > registration just so they can try to draw off Democrat voters. (This > strategy could also be used in reverse where there are Republican > majorities though maybe with Libertarian candidate or other parties). > I'm not sure if there are any statistics of numbers reflecting how > often Republicans vs Democrats vote for Green party candidates. > I browsed through the list of Partisan Candidates on the Secretary of State's website, and I was suprised to see that both Greens on the ballot (People with the word Green on the first line as part of their name, not on the second line as their Party designation) were Republicans. I hadn't thought of Green as a Republican name, but that's what I saw. It occurs to me that if those people live green values the Republican Party will be the better for thier efforts. If not, the status quo meanders on.... -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I went camping over the weekend. Looking at the stars, I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits the eye with way more light then they actually send us. From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Aug 1 22:42:04 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:42:04 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <44D0387D.8040209@ispwest.com> References: <20060801155014.38247.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44CF7BBE.8050803@earthlink.net> <28912BD0-F0BD-42B5-8715-418E577ED765@kiehle.com> <44D0387D.8040209@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <44D03B2C.9050504@ispwest.com> Tian Harter wrote: >Erik Kiehle wrote: > > > >>I think the statistics in past elections (especially the recall >>election) show that the Democrats are their own worst enemy. But, I >>think it is a relatively cheap tactic for the Republicans to pay for >>a 3rd party candidate's filing just to stir things up. I'm actually >>surprised we haven't seen more Republican's changing party >>registration just so they can try to draw off Democrat voters. (This >>strategy could also be used in reverse where there are Republican >>majorities though maybe with Libertarian candidate or other parties). >>I'm not sure if there are any statistics of numbers reflecting how >>often Republicans vs Democrats vote for Green party candidates. >> >> >> >I browsed through the list of Partisan Candidates on the Secretary of >State's website, and I was suprised to see that both Greens on the >ballot (People with the word Green on the first line as part of their >name, not on the second line as their Party designation) were >Republicans. I hadn't thought of Green as a Republican name, but that's >what I saw. It occurs to me that if those people live green values the >Republican Party will be the better for thier efforts. If not, the >status quo meanders on.... > > > I went through that list again searching for "green" and guess what? The only address on a Green Street is another Republican. I think we would be well served to tune into what the word green really means to these people... -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I went camping over the weekend. Looking at the stars, I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits the eye with way more light then they actually send us. From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Aug 1 22:48:13 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:48:13 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Dance Party on Saturday] Message-ID: <44D03C9D.6080903@ispwest.com> I'm going! Anybody want to join me? -------- Original Message -------- *The Peace Umbrella of the Unitarian Church of Palo Alto invites you to a Blues Rock & Roll Summer Dance Party!* * * *"If I can not dance, I want no part in your revolution." **Emma Goldman* * * *Peace & Love; Blues Rock & Roll* * * *Summer Dance Party* * * *Saturday, August 5th, 7:30 PM* Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo Alto - Main Hall 505 East Charleston Road, Palo Alto *Live Music with the awesome Bill C Ireton Band* *Rock & Roll Blues Funk Soul Jazz* Snacks and drinks will be served $8 - $15 suggested donation; no one turned away *Bring your dancing shoes?* * * / / *Cosponsored by:* Peninsula Peace and Justice Center ~ World Centric ~ Acterra ~ Peace Action of San Mateo County ~ Department of Peace Campaign - South Bay ~ South Bay Mobilization ~ Womens International League for Peace and Freedom ~ Multifaith Voices for Peace and Justice ~ Youth Community Service ~ Mountain View Voices for Peace ~ Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo Alto: Green Sanctuary ~ Social Justice Committee ~ Peninsula Interfaith Action *email: **peace-info at uucpa.org* *web: **http://www.uucpa.org/peace_umbrella/about_peace.html* -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I went camping over the weekend. Looking at the stars, I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits the eye with way more light then they actually send us. From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Aug 1 22:56:55 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:56:55 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Sun Aug 6, Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab! Wed Aug 9, Bechtel! Message-ID: <44D03EA7.6030505@ispwest.com> Anybody want to carpool to this? No Nukes! No Wars! Support Indigenous Rights! ** Sun ** Aug 6 ** 8:00 AM ** ** Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab ** ** SPEAKERS for August 6 ** NORMAN SOLOMON, nationally-syndicated media critic Keiji Tsuchiya, Hiroshima atomic bomb survivor DANIEL ELLSBERG, outspoken official who leaked the Pentagon Papers Marylia Kelley, executive director of Tri-Valley CAREs Jackie Cabasso, executive director of Western States Legal Foundation David Seaborg, son of Nobel Prize scientist who discovered plutonium ******************* On August 6th and 9th, the 61st anniversaries of the U.S. atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, demand an end to the war in Iraq, no military attacks on Iran or North Korea, and the global abolition of nuclear weapons, starting at home. On the 6th we will converge at Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab; on the 9th at Bechtel in downtown San Francisco. ** SUNDAY, AUGUST 6 ** Ceremony and Nonviolent Action at Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab It has been 61 years since the U.S. dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, and another nuclear tragedy looms dangerously close. With the Bush Administration's policy of creating lower yield, more "usable" nuclear weapons, now is a more important time than ever in calling for the abolition of all weapons of mass destruction and war. WHEN: Sunday, August 6 gather at 8 AM; march at 9 AM WHERE: Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab, Vasco Rd & Patterson Pass Rd, Livermore, CA. Take 580, exit south at Vasco. WHAT: A morning of protest and action, featuring a Japanese Hibakusha?an atomic bomb survivor?at one of the principal nuclear weapons design labs in the world, a mere 50 miles from San Francisco. HOW: With your neighbors! Please fill every last seat in your car, or ask your neighbor to drive you so you can leave your car home. Share the ride to at http://www.spaceshare.com/livermore PEACE CAMP: Come join us on August 5 in Del Valle Regional Park for the Livermore Peace Camp! Space is limited, e-mail Butterfly at Lacy.com to reserve a spot. ** WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 9 ** Ceremony and Nonviolent Action at Bechtel Corporate Headquarters in San Francisco The anniversary of the U.S. bombing of Nagasaki, August 9, is also the UN declared International Day of the World's Indigenous Peoples. Since their earliest stages, nuclear weapons and the people who profit from them have caused untold suffering to indigenous peoples around the world. Come and act with us to voice our support for the sovereignty and dignity of indigenous peoples and call for an end to nuclear weapons and war! WHEN: Wednesday, August 9 at 10 AM WHERE: Bechtel, 50 Beale St, San Francisco. Half a block from Embarcadero BART. WHAT: Join us for a morning of protest and a ceremony led by Western Shoshone spiritual leader Corbin Harney at Bechtel's Corporate Headquarters. Bechtel is one of the top profiteers of the war in Iraq, manages nearly every aspect of the nuclear weapons cycle, and is known by communities worldwide for its habitual violations of indigenous and human rights. To sponsor either of these events, or to volunteer, contact: Tri-Valley CAREs (925) 443-7148 (www.trivalleycares.org) Western States Legal Foundation (510) 839-5877 (www.wslfweb.org) International Indian Treaty Council (415) 641-4482 (www.treatycouncil.org) Livermore Conversion Project (510) 639-9095 ** WHY LIVERMORE NUCLEAR WEAPONS LAB? ** Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory is one of the three national laboratories that act as the brain of the U.S. nuclear weapons complex, which today is modernizing and developing new nuclear weapons to support U.S. wars of empire. ** WHY BECHTEL? ** Bechtel has recently partnered with the University of California to manage the Los Alamos National Laboratory, another key nuclear weapons facility, and will most likely bid for Lawrence Livermore. Bechtel is one of the world's top nuclear profiteers, built upon an extensive history of abusing indigenous populations for profit. ** WHY NOW? ** The culture of fear that surrounds nuclear weapons and even their suspected presence creates war and destruction. With respect to Iran enriching uranium, President Bush has continually stated that, "All options are on the table." The paranoia over the possibility that Iran could develop a nuclear weapon a decade from now should be turned inward. The U.S. is even now designing new nuclear weapons in direct violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty while hypocritically pushing for another illegal war and possible nuclear strike against a sovereign nation. On August 6^th and 9^th , we will take our voices to the people who design and profit from human suffering. We demand an end to U.S. nuclear weapons development, production and testing. We demand an end to wars of empire and an end to nuclear excuses for war. In Iraq, they never found nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction, yet the daily reality of death and destruction rages on, sparked by the Bush administration's invasion and fueled by the ongoing U.S. military occupation. A majority of people in this nation now oppose the war, but the White House and most members of Congress are resisting the only solution to the crisis: bring the troops home immediately. We will send our message loud and clear to decision-makers and the public at large: End the war in Iraq, No war with Iran or North Korea, End the threat of nuclear annihilation! ** NO NUKES! NO WARS! SUPPORT INDIGENOUS RIGHTS! ** For more information, go to http://www.august6.org/bay_area -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I went camping over the weekend. Looking at the stars, I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits the eye with way more light then they actually send us. From gyral at yahoo.com Tue Aug 1 23:53:27 2006 From: gyral at yahoo.com (Sam Rafter) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Party Finances (was: No great press out of Pennsylvania) In-Reply-To: <28912BD0-F0BD-42B5-8715-418E577ED765@kiehle.com> Message-ID: <20060802065327.15545.qmail@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello All! Sorry for my slow response. I'm only subscribed to the digest of this list. My primary exposure to the Green Party has been through Mr. Camejo's gubernatorial candidacy, and I'd assumed other Green candidates shared his policies on not accepting campaign contributions from corporations. I did find some evidence of this policy in the Green Party online store: https://secure.democracyinaction.com/dia/organizations/Greens/shop/shop.jsp?storefront_KEY=4 Scroll to the bottom to read the fine print in the donation section which states, "Contributions from the following individuals and entities are prohibited: corporations, labor organizations, national banks, government contractors, foreign nationals, or people under 18 years of age." If it is party policy to not accept donations from corporations, would it be much of a stretch to refuse donations from Republicans? Given the economic and environmental policies of the Republican party candidates, it seems reasonable to group these two classes of donors. I would recommend a policy at the national level for the Green Party that any candidate who does willingly accept donations from a Republican donor, and / or does not return the monies in, say, 30 days, would be booted from the Green Party, and would therefor have to run as an independent (and only trash their own name). For what it's worth, this report goes into a bit more detail on the contributors to Romanelli's campaign: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001247.php Thanks for reading! -Sam --- Erik Kiehle wrote: > For those who remember me I was seriously interested in running in > 2004 for State Assembly District 24. Long-time Assemblyman Joe > Simitian was termed-out and I thought it would be interesting to run > as a Green candidate in the Silicon Valley area where I grew up. > > I filed the "Intention to File" paperwork that became public record > of my intention to run. I was getting a late start and realized I > would probably need to pay the Filing Fee instead of gathering > signatures. In then end I moved with my family just outside of the > district boundaries and therefore couldn't run in that district. > > However, as the filing deadline approached I received calls from two > very determined persons interested in paying my filing fee for me to > get me on the ballot. Since the election had a very strong Republican > candidate (who spent millions of his own money), the race was won by > only 3.2 percent in the Democratic candidate's favor. > > After reflection I realized that during the November 2002 election > the average vote for the statewide Green candidates was about 4.5 > percent. It may not have made any difference in the AD 24 election > results but I had to think that for about $1100 filing fee donation > to my campaign, any Republican may have made it a very narrow margin > for that election. > > I think the statistics in past elections (especially the recall > election) show that the Democrats are their own worst enemy. But, I > think it is a relatively cheap tactic for the Republicans to pay for > a 3rd party candidate's filing just to stir things up. I'm actually > surprised we haven't seen more Republican's changing party > registration just so they can try to draw off Democrat voters. (This > strategy could also be used in reverse where there are Republican > majorities though maybe with Libertarian candidate or other parties). > I'm not sure if there are any statistics of numbers reflecting how > often Republicans vs Democrats vote for Green party candidates. > > Thanks, > Erik Kiehle > > On Aug 1, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Larry Cafiero_Liaison wrote: > > > I'm going to assume, Sam, that your statement about Greens taking > > money > > from Republicans is sarcasm, as there is no "tradition" of this > > sort at all. > > > > However, we have had Republicans co-opt the party for their own > > purposes > > right in our own backyard. In 2004, a Monterey Republican Central > > Committee member named Paul Bruno put up the filing fee for Carmel > > electrician unknown to anyone in the local party in Monterey for the > > 15th Senate District in an effort to take votes away from the Democrat > > in that race. > > > > I don't know this guy Romanelli, or the Green Party gubernatorial > > candidate they mention, but I would be willing to bet that they are > > Greens by registration only, and nothing else (or, worse, Republicans > > trying to game the electoral system at our expense). I think they are > > props set up by the Republicans in the same way this guy in SD15 > > was set up. > > > > True, it looks bad, but then it would be interesting to see how the > > Pa. > > Green Party reacts to this. > > > > Larry Cafiero > > Liaison to the Secretary of State > > Green Party of California > > > > Sam Rafter wrote: > >> The proud tradition of Green Party candidates taking money from > >> Republicans > >> continues? > >> > >> http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15166569.htm > >> > >> I couldn't get www.Romanelli2006.com to load, but I'm curious how > >> Romanelli > >> spins this. Greens taking money from Republicans seems like an > >> unhealthy trend > >> to follow. > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wrolley at charter.net Wed Aug 2 06:58:57 2006 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:58:57 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <44D0387D.8040209@ispwest.com> References: <20060801155014.38247.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44CF7BBE.8050803@earthlink.net> <28912BD0-F0BD-42B5-8715-418E577ED765@kiehle.com> <44D0387D.8040209@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <44D0AFA1.1040505@charter.net> > It occurs to me that if those people live green values the > Republican Party will be the better for thier efforts. If not, the > status quo meanders on.... After working with the McCloskey campaign against Pombo, I will guarantee that there are Republicans for who the adjective "green" is an apt descriptor. At the head of the list I would put McCloskey and Martha Marks. Marks is the head of an organization named Republicans for Environmental Protection and very much involved in trying to return the Rebpublicans to their traditional positions where the word "conservation" was applied to the environment, not just power. I know that there are many who would criticize Christine Todd Whitman for her position on Nuclear Energy, however I don't think that anyone can find fault with her description of the current Republican Party. I quote two items from an interview with the Concord, NH Monitor. "We are being defined as a very narrow, mean-spirited, litmus-test party," she said yesterday. "And that's not the party in which I grew up." and - "With the national parties, it's gotten very, very partisan, so that any issue is looked at from the political perspective and not the policy ones," she told an audience of about 50 at a GOP luncheon at the Holiday Inn in Concord. "We need to be concerned about the fact that every issue is looked at through that prism." The latter comment applies equally to Democrats as well as Republican. Remember, over 30% of Republicans voted for McCloskey in the Primary. They are good people, your neighbors and mine. The villification of "Repugnicans" in the rhetoric of the progressive blogs is not going to make it easy to attract them to better choices. It only makes it harder to hold civil conversations. -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net Wed Aug 2 09:52:40 2006 From: larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net (Larry Cafiero_Liaison) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:52:40 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Party Finances In-Reply-To: <20060802065327.15545.qmail@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060802065327.15545.qmail@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44D0D858.5000809@earthlink.net> That's a very interesting observation, Sam. However, the reasoning behind this national GP policy is slightly flawed in a couple of instances. Case in point: My wife is a Japanese national, and she makes Japanese dishes for house parties that I attend (it's the least I can do -- bringing sushi for people who have to sit and listen to me talk about insurance issues). This can be considered an in-kind contribution from a foreign national. Should I be penalized for this? Naturally, the policy's intention is to keep WEALTHY foreign nationals, for example, from trying to sway policy, but the "letter of the law" states foreign nationals without specifying whether it's an average working person who wants to help the Green Party who is not an American citizen or a wealthy multinational CEO based in a country outside the U.S. Not taking money from labor organizations, too, is a flaw: There is big labor, just as there is big business. And then there is real labor, the unions that truly stand up for the working people who join them. Should we turn away money from the Teamsters or some of the right-wing building trade unions? Sure we should. Should we turn away money from natural allies like SEIU or the UFW, with whom we agree on issues, because they're (horrors!) a labor organization? I don't think so. To allude to something Cameron referred to in an earlier e-mail, if Republicans want to give Greens money because they support our policies, I don't think we should turn it back. There is the valid argument that if these donors in Pennsylvania are stupid enough to part with their disposable income in supporting candidates who oppose what they stand for, then maybe it's better they give it to us rather than spending it on something wasteful and frivilous; or worse, giving it to people like Santorum. (Naturally, I don't advocate Republicans solely financing a petition drive to get Greens on the ballot, as is what happened in Pennsylvania. But I have to wonder why the ballot laws in that state make it so hard for third-parties to get on the ballot -- something that is not mentioned in either news article. Further, if wading through this cesspool of campaign contributions from Republicans gains the Pennsylvania Green Party ballot status in the Keystone State after this election, is it worth it? Could this come back to haunt the GOP someday? Probably.) As repugnant this obvious concept might be (and it is), political campaigns do run on contributions; even the Green Party's campaigns. There's an excellent and obvious reason to have safeguards and rules against taking corporate and government-contractor donations (all parties should have this), but I think we need to be a little more flexible about the labor organizations' and foreign nationals' donations. (Also, I don't think banks can donate directly to political campaigns, although there are probably a plethora of loopholes you could fly a 747 through to get around this.) Interestingly, I haven't gotten any money from Republicans yet. Two Democrats, yes, but no Republicans. But I have received the rest of my campaign contributions from Greens (thanks, all!), and frankly I could use more small donations to buy some radio time -- he says on bended knee, making a pitch for people to go to http://www.votecafiero.com and click on the "Join Campaign" link on the left (appropriately). Larry Cafiero Green for Insurance Commissioner 2006 =and= Liaison to the Secretary of State Green Party of California Sam Rafter wrote: > Hello All! > > Sorry for my slow response. I'm only subscribed to the digest of this list. > My primary exposure to the Green Party has been through Mr. Camejo's > gubernatorial candidacy, and I'd assumed other Green candidates shared his > policies on not accepting campaign contributions from corporations. I did find > some evidence of this policy in the Green Party online store: > > https://secure.democracyinaction.com/dia/organizations/Greens/shop/shop.jsp?storefront_KEY=4 > > Scroll to the bottom to read the fine print in the donation section which > states, "Contributions from the following individuals and entities are > prohibited: corporations, labor organizations, national banks, government > contractors, foreign nationals, or people under 18 years of age." > > If it is party policy to not accept donations from corporations, would it be > much of a stretch to refuse donations from Republicans? Given the economic and > environmental policies of the Republican party candidates, it seems reasonable > to group these two classes of donors. I would recommend a policy at the > national level for the Green Party that any candidate who does willingly accept > donations from a Republican donor, and / or does not return the monies in, say, > 30 days, would be booted from the Green Party, and would therefor have to run > as an independent (and only trash their own name). > > For what it's worth, this report goes into a bit more detail on the > contributors to Romanelli's campaign: > > http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001247.php > > Thanks for reading! > > -Sam > > --- Erik Kiehle wrote: > > >> For those who remember me I was seriously interested in running in >> 2004 for State Assembly District 24. Long-time Assemblyman Joe >> Simitian was termed-out and I thought it would be interesting to run >> as a Green candidate in the Silicon Valley area where I grew up. >> >> I filed the "Intention to File" paperwork that became public record >> of my intention to run. I was getting a late start and realized I >> would probably need to pay the Filing Fee instead of gathering >> signatures. In then end I moved with my family just outside of the >> district boundaries and therefore couldn't run in that district. >> >> However, as the filing deadline approached I received calls from two >> very determined persons interested in paying my filing fee for me to >> get me on the ballot. Since the election had a very strong Republican >> candidate (who spent millions of his own money), the race was won by >> only 3.2 percent in the Democratic candidate's favor. >> >> After reflection I realized that during the November 2002 election >> the average vote for the statewide Green candidates was about 4.5 >> percent. It may not have made any difference in the AD 24 election >> results but I had to think that for about $1100 filing fee donation >> to my campaign, any Republican may have made it a very narrow margin >> for that election. >> >> I think the statistics in past elections (especially the recall >> election) show that the Democrats are their own worst enemy. But, I >> think it is a relatively cheap tactic for the Republicans to pay for >> a 3rd party candidate's filing just to stir things up. I'm actually >> surprised we haven't seen more Republican's changing party >> registration just so they can try to draw off Democrat voters. (This >> strategy could also be used in reverse where there are Republican >> majorities though maybe with Libertarian candidate or other parties). >> I'm not sure if there are any statistics of numbers reflecting how >> often Republicans vs Democrats vote for Green party candidates. >> >> Thanks, >> Erik Kiehle >> >> On Aug 1, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Larry Cafiero_Liaison wrote: >> >> >>> I'm going to assume, Sam, that your statement about Greens taking >>> money >>> from Republicans is sarcasm, as there is no "tradition" of this >>> sort at all. >>> >>> However, we have had Republicans co-opt the party for their own >>> purposes >>> right in our own backyard. In 2004, a Monterey Republican Central >>> Committee member named Paul Bruno put up the filing fee for Carmel >>> electrician unknown to anyone in the local party in Monterey for the >>> 15th Senate District in an effort to take votes away from the Democrat >>> in that race. >>> >>> I don't know this guy Romanelli, or the Green Party gubernatorial >>> candidate they mention, but I would be willing to bet that they are >>> Greens by registration only, and nothing else (or, worse, Republicans >>> trying to game the electoral system at our expense). I think they are >>> props set up by the Republicans in the same way this guy in SD15 >>> was set up. >>> >>> True, it looks bad, but then it would be interesting to see how the >>> Pa. >>> Green Party reacts to this. >>> >>> Larry Cafiero >>> Liaison to the Secretary of State >>> Green Party of California >>> >>> Sam Rafter wrote: >>> >>>> The proud tradition of Green Party candidates taking money from >>>> Republicans >>>> continues? >>>> >>>> http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15166569.htm >>>> >>>> I couldn't get www.Romanelli2006.com to load, but I'm curious how >>>> Romanelli >>>> spins this. Greens taking money from Republicans seems like an >>>> unhealthy trend >>>> to follow. >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>> >>> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > From tnharter at ispwest.com Wed Aug 2 13:00:09 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:00:09 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania In-Reply-To: <44D0AFA1.1040505@charter.net> References: <20060801155014.38247.qmail@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44CF7BBE.8050803@earthlink.net> <28912BD0-F0BD-42B5-8715-418E577ED765@kiehle.com> <44D0387D.8040209@ispwest.com> <44D0AFA1.1040505@charter.net> Message-ID: <44D10449.4050502@ispwest.com> Wes Rolley wrote: > >> It occurs to me that if those people live green values the >> Republican Party will be the better for thier efforts. If not, the >> status quo meanders on.... > > > After working with the McCloskey campaign against Pombo, I will > guarantee that there are Republicans for who the adjective "green" is > an apt descriptor. At the head of the list I would put McCloskey and > Martha Marks. Marks is the head of an organization named Republicans > for Environmental Protection and very much involved in trying to > return the Rebpublicans to their traditional positions where the word > "conservation" was applied to the environment, not just power. It was eye opening for me when I learned that in Sacramento the Audobon Society and the Nature Conservancy are considered to be "Republicans", meaning that their grass roots activsts were generally registered Republican. I knew quite a few of those people, and I liked them for the most part. > > I know that there are many who would criticize Christine Todd Whitman > for her position on Nuclear Energy, however I don't think that anyone > can find fault with her description of the current Republican Party. > I quote two items from an interview with the Concord, NH Monitor. > > "We are being defined as a very narrow, mean-spirited, litmus-test > party," she said yesterday. "And that's not the party in which I grew > up." > > and - > > "With the national parties, it's gotten very, very partisan, so that > any issue is looked at from the political perspective and not the > policy ones," she told an audience of about 50 at a GOP luncheon at > the Holiday Inn in Concord. "We need to be concerned about the fact > that every issue is looked at through that prism." > > The latter comment applies equally to Democrats as well as Republican. > > Remember, over 30% of Republicans voted for McCloskey in the Primary. > They are good people, your neighbors and mine. The villification of > "Repugnicans" in the rhetoric of the progressive blogs is not going to > make it easy to attract them to better choices. It only makes it > harder to hold civil conversations. Earlier today I wrote a letter to Environment California, reminding them that Schwarzenegger and Blair had agreed to voluntary measures to curb climate change. I told them that just about everybody in the green movement is a volunteer on one level or another. (Does that make us Tennesseeans?) I encouraged them to think of energy wasters as "dinosuars from Michigan" or something like that. Maybe if we dice things on a state by state basis instead of a partisan basis we'll have better luck. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I went camping over the weekend. Looking at the stars, I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits the eye with way more light then they actually send us. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Aug 2 13:12:45 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:12:45 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] (Revised) Proposed Agenda for County Meeting Message-ID: <44D1073D.4020802@earthlink.net> Here is the revised agenda. Please note that it is nearly 2.5 hours long. We will need to remove some items and/or be very focussed during the meeting. Any meeting over 2 hours is a LONG meeting. Gerry ====================================================== Proposed Agenda for County Meeting Thursday, August 3, 2006 Location: San Jose Peace Center 48 South 7th Street, San Jose http://www.sanjosepeace.org/ 6:30 Socializing and Dinner - 7:30 Meeting (dinner is not provided by the Peace Center, so bring your own or get it from one of the nearby restaurants) -- Preliminary Items -- Choose Facilitator(s), Note-Taker(s), Time Keeper, and Vibes Watcher(s) (5) Introductions and Short Announcements (5) Revise and Affirm Agenda (5) -- Main Part -- 1. Treasurer's Report (10) Cameron 2. National Party Business Tucson Report (10) Drew 3. State Party Business Regional Rep Report (5) Mitch Smith Sept. Plenary (10) (??) Selecting delegates Proposals Meeting Ballot Initiatives Campaign Contact Person (5) Gerry (Jo C. has requested a contact person for the campaign) 4. Old Business Tabling (15) (Jim Doyle) Fourth of July "weekend" (Cameron?) Buttons Future Events Labor Day March? SJSU? Literature Needs (5) Jim D. info for GP candidates Planning Meeting Report (10) (??) Picnic Details (5) Warner Help Needed Newsletter (10) Jim D. (should mail by Sept. 15) 5. New Business Video Group Report (10?) (??) Budget (15) Jim D. Monthly Forums? (20) (??) (do we want to have monthlyi forums / discussion groups?) (Total scheduled time: 2 hours, 25 minutes?) -- Future Events -- Next GPSCC meeting Thursday, September 7, 2006 -- Disclaimer -- The items summarized above are agenda suggestions, only. The actual meeting agenda is affirmed at the meeting by those who are present. Additionally, the times allotted to agenda items may be changed during the course of the meeting, and some items may not e reached during the meeting because of time limits. Persons receiving this email are invited to make additional suggestions or corrections regarding potential agenda items, time estimates or the agenda sequence. Please share this information with individuals who do not have email. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Aug 2 14:09:06 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:09:06 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] No great press out of Pennsylvania References: Message-ID: <44D11472.6050406@earthlink.net> Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by ineptness. I largely agree with this, with one minor difference. Let me explain. First of all, I see a lot of dumb things that can be explained by ineptness, but not by malice, (unless someone can be said to be malicious towards oneself, which I am dubious of.) The minor difference is that if I hear of something that could be explained either by malice or be ineptness, I will not rule out malice. In most cases I presume ineptness is more likely the problem, and I will act on the assumption that malice is not the issue. Furthermore, even in cases where malice is possible and not proven or disproven, it usually does not help to act upon the assumption that there is malice involved. In fact it is more likely to be counterproductive. > Why does the Green Party of the US contract with spammer-for-hire > Democracy In Action? Because they don't know any better! > Because they didn't think they could do the job themselves. > Because Dem Inaction (funny name, eh?) told them what they > wanted to hear. Because DiA *asked for their business*. > I'll bet JSM watches the secretary of state offices and > pitches everybody who files that kind of papers. > > > >>>I believe accepting the "spoiler effect" was the biggest >>>strategic miscalculation in the history of the Green Party. >>> >>> > Larry wrote: >>What do you think can be done to stop this, Cameron? We have a flier in >>Santa Cruz County about the so-called "spoiler" effect, but what else is >>there? >> > > I don't know. It's really hard to kill a superstition once > it's established. Superstitions work at a deep emotional level > and are fairly impervious to mere logic and facts and common sense. > We need an equally instinctive and emotional antidote argument. > I don't have one. > > But the least we can do is not *feed* it any more. *Challenge* > the assumption that there's any such thing as "spoiling," > every time it comes up. It's a crackpot theory, after all. > Demand that the crackpots who propose it either prove it or let > it remain a question. Don't let it be "a given." > > There's one thing I've learned. Don't argue the mathematics. > The Age of Reason is *over*. We are in a new Dark Ages. > Look at how the propaganda system is getting away with demonizing and > marginalizing scientists today. When mathematics says one thing, > and intuition and wishful thinking say something else, people > "go with their gut." Logic is so "bo-ring!" and science is a real > buzz-killer. Throw her in the water and if she floats, she's a witch. > > Wrap that mathematical demand in a joke so it doesn't remind > people of their geometry teacher. "Gore stole all those votes > from Nader, and then he didn't even use them." > I think in this age of anti-rationality, that's about the best > we can do. > > > Cameron > As someone with a math degree, I very much do not like the ideas of "Don't argue the mathematics" and "The Age of Reason is *over*". But I am not capable right now of arguing against them. I am so discouraged by all the irrational behavior I see by the Bush Administration, Congress, the American public and be people all around the world. I am saying more and more often "the whole world is insane". So maybe we are in kind of Dark Ages. Unfortunately this would be a very bad time for a Dark Ages. With the world being so far from sustainable, we need to have our wits about us to get through the coming bad times. Does the world have what it takes? I don't know. Maybe the world is going through some kind of temporarily illness and the fever will break soon. Maybe not. And then the question is "What is the best thing to do in such dark times?" I too do not have the answer, and am wrestling with it. ... One example of a story I like to tell about the spoiler effect is one that I have told often with totally indeterminate results: In 1980, I worked on the John Anderson for President campaign. The Democratic candidate was Jimmy Carter running for reelection, and the Republican candidate was Ronald Reagan. Most of the time I was working for Anderson in my home state of Massachusetts. Here are some things I remember from the campaign... (NOTE: Anderson ran as a Republican until about May, 1980, and as an independent after that) - Shortly before the Iowa caucus, a significant part of the New York Times, including the New York Times came out and said that Anderson was the best candidate, but did not have a chance. (I think that was because he had little name recognition, and not much money.) - Around Jan. 1, 1980, Anderson was an "*" in the polls, i.e. polled at less than 1%. - Anderson got 10% in the New Hampshire primary (first Tuesday in February), and then he got a LOT of media attention. - In the Massachusetts primary, (first Tuesday in March), Anderson was in FIRST place until about 2:00 AM Wednesday morning, finally losing to Bush Senior) - Shortly before the D and R conventions, some polling organization took a poll on two questions, "in a 2 way race between Carter or Anderson, who would you prefer" and "in a 2 way race between Reagan or Anderson, who would you prefer. In response to one question, the two were tied, and in response to the other question, the two were close. - In November Anderson got about 7% nationally and about 15% in Massachusetts. I think he would have won Massachusetts except for the "spoiler" effect". - During the runup to the November election, I met many people who said "A vote for Anderson is a vote for Reagan, so I am voting for Carter". And I met many people who said "A vote for Anderson is a vote for Carter, so I am voting for Reagan". I can't even tell you which statment I heard more often. So what this means is that I could pick out three people, and all three would prefer Anderson, one would vote for Anderson, one would vote for Carter, and one would vote for Reagan, and therefore all 3 votes would cancel each other out. ... Does this make sense? Clearly something is wrong somewhere. It seems somewhat like the Escher paintings where you knew what you saw was impossible, but you could not point out where the flaw was. So I KNOW the spoiler theory is wrong, but I can't seem to explain it. NOTE: you can't say that the "spoiler" concept is completely wrong. I remember a case where in the Democratic primary in Massachusetts, there were 2 "liberal" candidates and one "conservative" candidate. The "conservative" candidate got significantly less than 50%. It seems likely, but one never really knows that either liberal candidate would have beat the conservative candidate. But who was the spoiler for whom? And isn't it really the Winner Take All system that is largely to blame? And .... well I guess that's more than enough for now. Gerry From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 15:07:38 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg here on Aug 6th, Sunday Afternoon!!! In-Reply-To: <44D11472.6050406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060802220738.70212.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Late breaking opportunity: the peace activist and Delaware Green Party candidate for Congress, Michael Berg (made famous by his forgiveness of the alleged murderer of his son Nick, Al Zarquawi) will be in the Bay Area Sunday Afternoon! We are still working out details, but we know at the minimum we'll have a house party at Fred's club house, while the upper end possibilities are still being worked out by the Camejo, Chretien, CA Greens, etc. So to restate, if nothing else we'll have a great little get together at Fred's clubhouse Sunday afternoon. If some of these other campaigns decide to put their weight behind it it could be a much larger affair at a larger venue. We'll see. Just wanted to give you an inkling of what was afoot. JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 15:09:52 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg here on Aug 6th, Sunday Afternoon!!! Message-ID: <20060802220952.89847.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry, I forgot to 'sign' that one -- its from moi, Drew Johnson. I made contact with the Berg campaign about 2 months ago and spoke extensively to them while at the National Annual Meeting. Drew --- JamBoi wrote: > Late breaking opportunity: the peace activist and Delaware Green > Party > candidate for Congress, Michael Berg (made famous by his forgiveness > of > the alleged murderer of his son Nick, Al Zarquawi) will be in the Bay > Area Sunday Afternoon! We are still working out details, but we know > at the minimum we'll have a house party at Fred's club house, while > the > upper end possibilities are still being worked out by the Camejo, > Chretien, CA Greens, etc. So to restate, if nothing else we'll have > a > great little get together at Fred's clubhouse Sunday afternoon. If > some of these other campaigns decide to put their weight behind it it > could be a much larger affair at a larger venue. We'll see. Just > wanted to give you an inkling of what was afoot. > > > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From WB4D23 at aol.com Wed Aug 2 18:36:27 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:36:27 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Uvas Canyon County Park Info/Directions for August 13th Picnic Message-ID: Welcome Welcome to Uvas Canyon County Park. This lushly wooded park of 1,133 acres, is nestled in upper Uvas Canyon on the eastern side of the Santa Cruz Mountains. This mountain park offers hiking, camping and picnicking opportunities throughout most of the year. Enjoy your visit today and return often to experience the many features of Uvas Canyon County Park. Uvas Canyon County Park is located at the end of Croy Road in Uvas Canyon. >From Highway 101, take Bernal Road west. Turn left on Santa Teresa Boulevard. Travel south three miles and turn right onto Bailey Avenue. Follow Bailey Road 2.3 miles to McKean Road. Turn left onto McKean Road (McKean Road becomes Uvas Road 2.2 miles south of Bailey Road). From Bailey Road travel 6 miles south on McKean/Uvas Road and turn right onto Croy Road. Continue 4.4 miles on Croy Road, through Sveadal, to reach the Park entrance. Sveadal is a private resort belonging to the Swedish American Patriotic League. Please respect their privacy and drive slowly as you pass through Sveadal. Activities Outdoor enthusiasts will find Uvas Canyon Park has much to offer. The park has six miles of hiking trails including a one mile Waterfall Loop that travels along Swanson Creek past many of the park's waterfalls. A pamphlet, available at the trailhead and/or ranger's office, highlights the flora of Uvas Canyon along this self-guided interpretive trail. The park contains individual picnic sites available on a first come, first served basis. The Black Oak Group Picnic Area is available by reservation for groups up to 75 people. The campground has twenty-five individual campsites. Reservations are highly recommended. The Upper Bench Youth Group Camping Area is reservable for non-profit youth groups for up to 40 people. Park visitors may also want to visit nearby Uvas and Chesbro Reservoirs. These reservoirs are open for non-power boating (electric motors permitted) and fishing. No swimming is permitted in any of the Santa Clara County Parks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WB4D23 at aol.com Wed Aug 2 18:46:11 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:46:11 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Uvas Canyon Info/Directions For August 13th Picnic Message-ID: <3b5.4b108b4.3202af63@aol.com> Welcome Welcome to Uvas Canyon County Park. This lushly wooded park of 1,133 acres, is nestled in upper Uvas Canyon on the eastern side of the Santa Cruz Mountains. This mountain park offers hiking, camping and picnicking opportunities throughout most of the year. Enjoy your visit today and return often to experience the many features of Uvas Canyon County Park. Uvas Canyon County Park is located at the end of Croy Road in Uvas Canyon. >From Highway 101, take Bernal Road west. Turn left on Santa Teresa Boulevard. Travel south three miles and turn right onto Bailey Avenue. Follow Bailey Road 2.3 miles to McKean Road. Turn left onto McKean Road (McKean Road becomes Uvas Road 2.2 miles south of Bailey Road). From Bailey Road travel 6 miles south on McKean/Uvas Road and turn right onto Croy Road. Continue 4.4 miles on Croy Road, through Sveadal, to reach the Park entrance. Sveadal is a private resort belonging to the Swedish American Patriotic League. Please respect their privacy and drive slowly as you pass through Sveadal. Activities Outdoor enthusiasts will find Uvas Canyon Park has much to offer. The park has six miles of hiking trails including a one mile Waterfall Loop that travels along Swanson Creek past many of the park's waterfalls. A pamphlet, available at the trailhead and/or ranger's office, highlights the flora of Uvas Canyon along this self-guided interpretive trail. The park contains individual picnic sites available on a first come, first served basis. The Black Oak Group Picnic Area is available by reservation for groups up to 75 people. The campground has twenty-five individual campsites. Reservations are highly recommended. The Upper Bench Youth Group Camping Area is reservable for non-profit youth groups for up to 40 people. Park visitors may also want to visit nearby Uvas and Chesbro Reservoirs. These reservoirs are open for non-power boating (electric motors permitted) and fishing. No swimming is permitted in any of the Santa Clara County Parks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 2 19:02:53 2006 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:02:53 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] map to picnic Message-ID: <44D1594D.40001@sbcglobal.net> The GPSCC web site has an announcement of the picnic and a link to mapquest for generating a map to the Uvas Canyon County Park. Use Uvas Canyon County Park as the destination to generate the map. Jim Doyle From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Aug 2 20:05:38 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:05:38 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Request for Agenda Items] Message-ID: <44D16802.7030400@earthlink.net> FYI, Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Request for Agenda Items Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:23:29 -0700 From: "Dana St. George" Organization: GP of Santa Clara County To: Gerry Gras References: <44C869EB.2010905 at earthlink.net> Gerry Gras wrote: > > Please submit your agenda items for the Thursday August 3rd meeting. > Deadline for submissions is Monday 7/31. > > There is an inquiry from the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom: Is the Green Party of Sta.Clara County interested in co-sponsoring a speaker event on Sept. 17th being put on by WILPF and PPJC - Warren Stewart, of Votetrust USA, Oakland - will be speaking about the upcoming election, voting machines, and the problems thereof. This would be a potluck at 5 p.m. followed by speaker at 6 p.m. at the multipurpose room of Palo Alto Unitarian Church; and Is the GP interested in co-sponsoring another speaker event to be put on by WILPF/PPJC on October 22, same location, I believe. This one is "Women in the Media", speaker is Peggy Law of The National Radio Project. Please add these inquiries to the agenda. Thank you. D. St. George From WB4D23 at aol.com Wed Aug 2 20:00:35 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:00:35 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Telephone Script For Calling Greens About August 13th Picnic Message-ID: <46c.70660980.3202c0d3@aol.com> MODEL SCRIPT AND NOTES FOR AUGUST 13TH PICNIC TELEPHONE CALLS Below is a model telephone script to invite GPSCC members to the August 13th picnic at Uvas Canyon County Park. This is an outline for talking points, but remember to be yourself when you leave a voicemail message or talk to someone. Please keep track of all responses or non-responses and provide that information to Warner or Cameron (e.g., wrong number; moved; or volunteers information). This is an experiment to try to contact people who usually don?t hear from us. ************************************************* TELEPHONE "SCRIPT" FOR PICNIC AND TABLING Hello: Is _ (Name of Person)_there (or at home)? [If voicemail; start here after "Hello".] I'm calling to invite [name of person] to a Green Party picnic at Uvas Canyon County Park, Sunday, August 13th, and to let you know we will have a booth at the Tapestry Festival in downtown San Jose during the Labor Day weekend. [Next: If talking to someone.] Would you be interested in coming to the picnic or meeting other Greens at the Tapestry Festival? [Continue or give closing information depending on response.] [Next: If voicemail or another person is taking message.] We would like to see you at either event. You can call us at 408-223-2784 or go to our webpage at cagreens.org/sclara. ******************************************************** Answers To Some Frequently Asked Questions: (If you are asked a question you can?t answer, write it down and tell the person you will try to have someone call back with the information. Be sure to get the question, and person?s name and telephone number to someone for the call back, or do it yourself after getting the information.) How did you get this telephone number? Answer: All political parties are allowed to get a copy of the registered voters list and use it to contact its members. What are directions to Uvas Canyon County Park? Uvas Canyon County Park is located at the end of Croy Road in Uvas Canyon. >From Highway 101, take Bernal Road west. Turn left on Santa Teresa Boulevard. Travel south three miles and turn right onto Bailey Avenue. Follow Bailey Road 2.3 miles to McKean Road. Turn left onto McKean Road (McKean Road becomes Uvas Road 2.2 miles south of Bailey Road). From Bailey Road travel 6 miles south on McKean/Uvas Road and turn right onto Croy Road. Continue 4.4 miles on Croy Road, through Sveadal, to reach the Park entrance. Sveadal is a private resort belonging to the Swedish American Patriotic League. Please respect their privacy and drive slowly as you pass through Sveadal. When will the picnic happen? Sunday August 13th, about 12 Noon to 4 pm When and Where are local meetings? We have business meetings on the first Thursday of the month at 7:30 pm at the San Jose Peace Center 48 South 7th Street just north of San Jose State University (but this schedule may change). We are also planning to begin start program and discussion meetings. What else is the local Green Party doing? We are working on a candidates event the end of September or early October in Mountain View. We also table at farmers markets and community events to register voters and distribute our literature. [Ask: What kinds of things would you be interested in helping with?] Are there Green Party candidates in the November election? Yes. There are Green Party candidates for statewide offices as well as Congressional (CD), State Senate (SD) and State Assembly (AD) candidates in some other districts -- Todd Chretian for U.S. Senate; Peter Camejo for Governor; Donna Warren for Lt. Governor; Mike Wyman for Attorney General; Mehul Thakker for Treasurer; Forrest Hill for Secretary of State; Laura Wells for Controller; Larry Cafiero for Insurance Commissioner; Robert Vizzard SD 4; Matthew Rick SD 18; Cat Woods AD6 (Novato); Barry Hermanson AD 12 (San Francisco); David Silva AD 34 (Tulare County); Ricardo Costa AD 44 (Pasadena); Peter Thottham AD53 (Mar Vista); Pamela Elizonda CD 1 (Laytonville); Jeff Kravitz CD 5 (Sacramento); Kristine Keefer CD8 (San Francisco); Carol Brouillet CD 14 (Palo Alto); John Miller CD 21; Byron De Lear CD 28 (Sherman Oaks); William Paparian CD 29 (Pasadena) What are Green Party positions on ballot measures on the November Election? Our local Green Party has endorsed the County Green Belt Initiative. The state party is still developing its positions on the statewide ballot measures. **************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Aug 2 20:09:30 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:09:30 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Revised Proposed Agenda for County Meeting Message-ID: <44D168EA.10808@earthlink.net> Revised again. ===================================================== Proposed Agenda for County Meeting Thursday, August 3, 2006 Location: San Jose Peace Center 48 South 7th Street, San Jose http://www.sanjosepeace.org/ 6:30 Socializing and Dinner - 7:30 Meeting (dinner is not provided by the Peace Center, so bring your own or get it from one of the nearby restaurants) -- Preliminary Items -- Choose Facilitator(s), Note-Taker(s), Time Keeper, and Vibes Watcher(s) (5) Introductions and Short Announcements (5) Revise and Affirm Agenda (5) -- Main Part -- 1. Treasurer's Report (10) Cameron 2. National Party Business Tucson Report (10) Drew 3. State Party Business Regional Rep Report (5) Mitch Smith Sept. Plenary (10) (??) Selecting delegates Proposals Meeting Ballot Initiatives Campaign Contact Person (5) Gerry (Jo C. has requested a contact person for the campaign) 4. Old Business Tabling (15) (Jim Doyle) Fourth of July "weekend" (Cameron?) Buttons Future Events Labor Day March? SJSU? Literature Needs (5) Jim D. info for GP candidates Planning Meeting Report (10) (??) Picnic Details (5) Warner Help Needed Newsletter (10) Jim D. (should mail by Sept. 15) 5. New Business Video Group Report (10?) (??) Budget (15) Jim D. Monthly Forums? (20) (??) (do we want to have monthlyi forums / discussion groups?) cosponsor a WILPF event? (5?) Dana (Total scheduled time: 2 hours, 30 minutes?) -- Future Events -- Next GPSCC meeting Thursday, September 7, 2006 -- Disclaimer -- The items summarized above are agenda suggestions, only. The actual meeting agenda is affirmed at the meeting by those who are present. Additionally, the times allotted to agenda items may be changed during the course of the meeting, and some items may not e reached during the meeting because of time limits. Persons receiving this email are invited to make additional suggestions or corrections regarding potential agenda items, time estimates or the agenda sequence. Please share this information with individuals who do not have email. From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 22:36:01 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Telephone Script For Calling Greens About August 13th Picnic In-Reply-To: <46c.70660980.3202c0d3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060803053601.4192.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Awesome Warner! Now when do we get the phone #?s Drew --- WB4D23 at aol.com wrote: > MODEL SCRIPT AND NOTES FOR AUGUST 13TH PICNIC > TELEPHONE CALLS > > Below is a model telephone script to invite GPSCC members to the > August 13th > picnic at > Uvas Canyon County Park. This is an outline for talking points, but > > remember to be yourself when you leave a voicemail message or talk > to someone. > > Please keep track of all responses or non-responses and provide that > > information > to Warner or Cameron (e.g., wrong number; moved; or volunteers > information). > This is an experiment to try to contact people who usually don???t > hear from > us. ************************************************* > TELEPHONE "SCRIPT" FOR PICNIC AND TABLING > > Hello: Is _ (Name of Person)_there (or at home)? > > [If voicemail; start here after "Hello".] > I'm calling to invite [name of person] to a Green Party picnic at > Uvas > Canyon County Park, Sunday, August 13th, and to let you know we will > have > a booth at the Tapestry Festival in downtown San Jose during the > Labor Day > weekend. > > [Next: If talking to someone.] > Would you be interested in coming to the picnic or meeting other > Greens at the Tapestry Festival? [Continue or give closing > information > depending on response.] > > [Next: If voicemail or another person is taking message.] > We would like to see you at either event. You can call us at > 408-223-2784 > or go to our webpage at cagreens.org/sclara. > > ******************************************************** > Answers To Some Frequently Asked Questions: (If you are asked a > question > you can???t answer, write it down and tell the person you will try > to have > someone > call back with the information. Be sure to get the question, and > person???s > name > and telephone number to someone for the call back, or do it yourself > after > getting > the information.) > > How did you get this telephone number? > Answer: All political parties are allowed to get a copy of > the registered voters list and use it to contact its members. > > What are directions to Uvas Canyon County Park? > Uvas Canyon County Park is located at the end of Croy Road in Uvas > Canyon. > >From Highway 101, take Bernal Road west. Turn left on Santa Teresa > Boulevard. > Travel south three miles and turn right onto Bailey Avenue. Follow > Bailey > Road 2.3 miles to McKean Road. Turn left onto McKean Road (McKean > Road becomes > Uvas Road 2.2 miles south of Bailey Road). From Bailey Road travel 6 > miles > south on McKean/Uvas Road and turn right onto Croy Road. Continue > 4.4 miles on > Croy Road, through Sveadal, to reach the Park entrance. Sveadal is a > private > resort belonging to the Swedish American Patriotic League. Please > respect > their privacy and drive slowly as you pass through Sveadal. > > When will the picnic happen? Sunday August 13th, about 12 Noon to 4 > pm > > When and Where are local meetings? We have business meetings on the > first > Thursday of the month at 7:30 pm at the San Jose Peace Center 48 > South 7th > Street just north of San Jose State University (but this schedule may > change). > We are also planning to begin start program and > discussion meetings. > > What else is the local Green Party doing? We are working on a > candidates > event > the end of September or early October in Mountain View. We also > table at > farmers markets and community events to register voters and > distribute our > literature. > [Ask: What kinds of things would you be interested in helping > with?] > > Are there Green Party candidates in the November election? > Yes. There are Green Party candidates for statewide offices as well > as > Congressional (CD), > State Senate (SD) and State Assembly (AD) candidates in some other > districts > -- > Todd Chretian for U.S. Senate; Peter Camejo for Governor; Donna > Warren for > Lt. Governor; > Mike Wyman for Attorney General; Mehul Thakker for Treasurer; > Forrest Hill > for Secretary of State; Laura Wells for Controller; Larry Cafiero > for > Insurance Commissioner; Robert Vizzard > SD 4; Matthew Rick SD 18; Cat Woods AD6 (Novato); Barry Hermanson AD > 12 > (San Francisco); David Silva AD 34 (Tulare County); Ricardo Costa AD > 44 > (Pasadena); > Peter Thottham AD53 (Mar Vista); Pamela Elizonda CD 1 (Laytonville); > Jeff > Kravitz CD 5 (Sacramento); Kristine Keefer CD8 (San Francisco); > Carol Brouillet > CD 14 (Palo Alto); > John Miller CD 21; Byron De Lear CD 28 (Sherman Oaks); William > Paparian CD > 29 (Pasadena) > > What are Green Party positions on ballot measures on the November > Election? > Our local Green Party has endorsed the County Green Belt Initiative. > The > state party > is still developing its positions on the statewide ballot measures. > **************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 2 22:38:36 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Revised Proposed Agenda for County Meeting In-Reply-To: <44D168EA.10808@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060803053836.79522.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Please add 8 min. for the Michael Berg Event report. Drew --- Gerry Gras wrote: > > Revised again. > > ===================================================== > > > Proposed Agenda for County Meeting > Thursday, August 3, 2006 > Location: > San Jose Peace Center > 48 South 7th Street, San Jose > http://www.sanjosepeace.org/ > > 6:30 Socializing and Dinner - 7:30 Meeting > (dinner is not provided by the Peace Center, > so bring your own or get it from one of the > nearby restaurants) > > -- Preliminary Items -- > > Choose Facilitator(s), Note-Taker(s), Time Keeper, and > Vibes Watcher(s) (5) > Introductions and Short Announcements (5) > Revise and Affirm Agenda (5) > > -- Main Part -- > > > 1. Treasurer's Report (10) Cameron > > 2. National Party Business > Tucson Report (10) Drew > > 3. State Party Business > Regional Rep Report (5) Mitch Smith > Sept. Plenary (10) (??) > Selecting delegates > Proposals Meeting > Ballot Initiatives > Campaign Contact Person (5) Gerry > (Jo C. has requested a contact person for the campaign) > > 4. Old Business > Tabling (15) (Jim Doyle) > Fourth of July "weekend" (Cameron?) > Buttons > Future Events > Labor Day March? > SJSU? > Literature Needs (5) Jim D. > info for GP candidates > Planning Meeting Report (10) (??) > > Picnic Details (5) Warner > Help Needed > Newsletter (10) Jim D. > (should mail by Sept. 15) > > 5. New Business > Video Group Report (10?) (??) > Budget (15) Jim D. > Monthly Forums? (20) (??) > (do we want to have monthlyi forums / discussion groups?) > cosponsor a WILPF event? (5?) Dana > > (Total scheduled time: 2 hours, 30 minutes?) > > -- Future Events -- > > Next GPSCC meeting Thursday, September 7, 2006 > > -- Disclaimer -- > > The items summarized above are agenda suggestions, only. The > actual meeting agenda is affirmed at the meeting by those who are > present. Additionally, the times allotted to agenda items may be > changed during the course of the meeting, and some items may not e > reached during the meeting because of time limits. Persons > receiving this email are invited to make additional suggestions or > corrections regarding potential agenda items, time estimates or > the agenda sequence. Please share this information with > individuals who do not have email. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 00:14:06 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 00:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Carol Brouillet campaign not able to make it to (Fwd: Michael Berg and Fred's Clubhouse) Message-ID: <20060803071406.24104.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, Just wanted to pass along this note that Carol Brouillet's campaign folks are still very interested in participating in our county's party, but that our chosen biz meeting time presents a schedule conflict for them. I'm looking forward to finding ways to support our only 2006 SCCGP candidate! A Million Votes for Peace, Drew --- Brian Good wrote: > From: "Brian Good" > To: JamBoi at yahoo.com > CC: cbrouillet at igc.org > Subject: Michael Berg and Fred's Clubhouse > Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:51:03 -0700 > > Hi Drew, > > Thanks for thinking of Carol about this. I am replying to your > message in > my > capacity as Treasurer for Carol's congressional campaign. > > I'm sure Carol would be much interested in this gathering, and I know > I > would > be, but she is out of town this weekend and I will be also. > > Carol and I have been absent from the San Jose meetings of the Santa > Clara > Greens because we have a NorCal 9/11 Truth Alliance meeting on first > Thursdays. I'm really sorry we'll miss this event too. It would be > a good > chance to touch base and get clear on common goals. Let us know how > it goes. > > My telephone number normally is 650.327.6214. > > Best wishes, > > Brian Good > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from > McAfee? > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 00:32:35 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 00:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A nice example of ballot recommendations from the GP of Alameda Message-ID: <20060803073235.25267.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.acgreens.org/images/stories/gpac_vg0606.pdf JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From danasg at greens.org Thu Aug 3 16:23:15 2006 From: danasg at greens.org (Dana St. George) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:23:15 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [ppjc] Great response! Ads to start running in local papers!] Message-ID: <44D28563.5000809@greens.org> Maybe there are some Greens out there that think this is a good idea. Dana St. George -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Peninsula Peace and Justice Center Subject: [ppjc] Great response! Ads to start running in local papers! Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Size: 12319 URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Aug 3 17:24:55 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg IN BERKELEY Aug 6th, Sunday Afternoon!!! In-Reply-To: <20060802220952.89847.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060804002455.71989.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Due to lack of time/resources to get us organized I have canceled Michael Berg's House Party at Fred's club house Sunday afternoon and instead handed Michael off to the Richmond Greens and they will be doing a talk in Berkeley Sunday afternoon with him. Go here to see the details as they unfold: http://tinyurl.com/ftspc . I apologize for any disruption this may have caused and hope we'll have another opportunity to fund and consciousness raise for our candidates (especially our local candidate, Carol Brouillet!). A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- JamBoi wrote: > Sorry, I forgot to 'sign' that one -- its from moi, Drew Johnson. I > made contact with the Berg campaign about 2 months ago and spoke > extensively to them while at the National Annual Meeting. > > Drew > > --- JamBoi wrote: > > > Late breaking opportunity: the peace activist and Delaware Green > > Party > > candidate for Congress, Michael Berg (made famous by his > forgiveness > > of > > the alleged murderer of his son Nick, Al Zarquawi) will be in the > Bay > > Area Sunday Afternoon! We are still working out details, but we > know > > at the minimum we'll have a house party at Fred's club house, while > > the > > upper end possibilities are still being worked out by the Camejo, > > Chretien, CA Greens, etc. So to restate, if nothing else we'll > have > > a > > great little get together at Fred's clubhouse Sunday afternoon. If > > some of these other campaigns decide to put their weight behind it > it > > could be a much larger affair at a larger venue. We'll see. Just > > wanted to give you an inkling of what was afoot. > > > > > > > > JamBoi > > Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From wrolley at charter.net Thu Aug 3 21:38:50 2006 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Divine Strake Message-ID: <44D2CF5A.4040107@charter.net> I am not sure how many of you know about the subject: Divine Strake. It was to be a massive test at the Yucca Mountain site in Nevada. Just about the largest man-made, non-nuclear explosion ever. It has been delayed into 2007. However, it was not before member of Nuclear Watch of New Mexico filmed and edited a some video on the subject. This is all a part of the plan to *quadruple* production of "plutonium pits", the explosive key for nuclear weapons. Nuclear Watch is sending me DVD copies of the first 2 parts of their series (4 parts planned.) I think that it might be a good even to arrange a screening of this as a fund raiser. Half for the GP SCC and half for the folks in New Mexico who produced it. Check out the organization at http://www.nukewatch.org/ If anyone thinks this a good idea, please contact me off list and let's try to work something out. Wes -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From tnharter at ispwest.com Thu Aug 3 23:23:57 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:23:57 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] 9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon Message-ID: <44D2E7FD.4050205@ispwest.com> 9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon Allegations Brought to Inspectors General By Dan Eggen Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, August 2, 2006; A03 Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate. Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission, hoping to hide the bungled response to the hijackings, these sources said. In the end, the panel agreed to a compromise, turning over the allegations to the inspectors general for the Defense and Transportation departments, who can make criminal referrals if they believe they are warranted, officials said. "We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied." Although the commission's landmark report made it clear that the Defense Department's early versions of events on the day of the attacks were inaccurate, the revelation that it considered criminal referrals reveals how skeptically those reports were viewed by the panel and provides a glimpse of the tension between it and the Bush administration. A Pentagon spokesman said yesterday that the inspector general's office will soon release a report addressing whether testimony delivered to the commission was "knowingly false." A separate report, delivered secretly to Congress in May 2005, blamed inaccuracies in part on problems with the way the Defense Department kept its records, according to a summary released yesterday. A spokesman for the Transportation Department's inspector general's office said its investigation is complete and that a final report is being drafted. Laura Brown, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said she could not comment on the inspector general's inquiry. In an article scheduled to be on newsstands today, Vanity Fair magazine reports aspects of the commission debate -- though it does not mention the possible criminal referrals -- and publishes lengthy excerpts from military audiotapes recorded on Sept. 11. ABC News aired excerpts last night. For more than two years after the attacks, officials with NORAD and the FAA provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that U.S. air defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington. In fact, the commission reported a year later, audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a phantom aircraft -- American Airlines Flight 11 -- long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center. Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold and Col. Alan Scott told the commission that NORAD had begun tracking United 93 at 9:16 a.m., but the commission determined that the airliner was not hijacked until 12 minutes later. The military was not aware of the flight until after it had crashed in Pennsylvania. These and other discrepancies did not become clear until the commission, forced to use subpoenas, obtained audiotapes from the FAA and NORAD, officials said. The agencies' reluctance to release the tapes -- along with e-mails, erroneous public statements and other evidence -- led some of the panel's staff members and commissioners to believe that authorities sought to mislead the commission and the public about what happened on Sept. 11. "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true." Arnold, who could not be reached for comment yesterday, told the commission in 2004 that he did not have all the information unearthed by the panel when he testified earlier. Other military officials also denied any intent to mislead the panel. John F. Lehman, a Republican commission member and former Navy secretary, said in a recent interview that he believed the panel may have been lied to but that he did not believe the evidence was sufficient to support a criminal referral. "My view of that was that whether it was willful or just the fog of stupid bureaucracy, I don't know," Lehman said. "But in the order of magnitude of things, going after bureaucrats because they misled the commission didn't seem to make sense to me." -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I went camping over the weekend. Looking at the stars, I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits the eye with way more light then they actually send us. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Aug 3 23:44:48 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:44:48 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: my WA Post oped: "Will Your Vote Count in 2006?"] Message-ID: <44D2ECE0.9070500@earthlink.net> FYI, Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: my WA Post oped: "Will Your Vote Count in 2006?" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:29:10 -0700 From: Steven Hill, New America Foundation Will Your Vote Count in 2006? By Steven Hill Special to washingtonpost.com's Think Tank Town Tuesday, August 1, 2006; 11:56 AM http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080100561.html Watching Mexico live through a controversial presidential election was like holding up a mirror to our own election difficulties in recent years. As we round the corner and head toward the upcoming November elections -- with control of the Congress up for grabs -- what can Americans expect? Will our votes count? There is both cause for worry, as well as signs that effective voting reform advocacy is paying off. The root cause of our troubled elections is that, unbelievably, the U.S. provides less security, testing, and oversight of our nation's voting equipment and election administration than it does to slot machines and the gaming industry. Our elections are administered by a hodgepodge of over 3000 counties scattered across the country with minimal national standards or uniformity. Widely differing practices on the testing and certification of voting equipment, the handling of provisional and absentee ballots, protocols for recounts, and training of election officials and poll workers makes for a bewildering terrain. The three federal laboratories testing voting equipment and software operate with little government oversight. They are called "independent testing authorities," even though two of them have donated tens of thousands of dollars to GOP candidates and the Republican National Committee. The shoddy testing and certification procedures are greased by a revolving door between government regulators and the industry. Former secretaries of state from California, Florida and Georgia, once their state's chief regulator, became paid lobbyists for the corporate vendors after stepping down from public office, as did a former governor of New Hampshire. Several secretaries of state in 2004 served as co-chairs of the George W. Bush re-election campaign for their state; one of these oversaw the election in which he ran -- successfully -- for governor. Conflicts of interest have crept like a weed into nearly every crevice of election administration. Making matters worse, the powers-that-be appear uncertain about what a secure election administration system actually looks like. This was painfully obvious at the Voting Systems Testing Summit in November 2005, which marked the first time that top federal regulators, vendors, testing laboratories, election administrators, computer scientists and fair elections advocates came together in one place. No one could articulate a comprehensive inventory of the many problems in securing the vote, much less the solutions. Instead, there was a lot of finger-pointing and excuses. Clearly, the biggest threat to the integrity of our elections is not the shortcomings of any particular type of computerized voting equipment but the fact that -- like the failed rescue effort following Hurricane Katrina -- no one seems to be steering the ship. There is no central brain or team that has a handle on all aspects of the process, developing best practices or a roadmap that states and counties can follow. Tragically, while Congress has appropriated $3 billion for buying new voting equipment, the money is arriving before there are necessary standards in place to ensure the money is not wasted. Yet these legitimate concerns also must be kept in perspective, lest we spiral into a paralyzing paranoia. There are a number of positives. Election security activists are more mobilized than ever and they are having an impact. They have raised the profile of these issues to the point of national urgency. Their efforts, once considered the actions of fanatical gadflies, are being increasingly cited by respected election bureaucrats. Former President Jimmy Carter and Secretary of State James A. Baker III were co-chairs of a 2005 bipartisan commission which warned that "software can be modified maliciously before being installed into individual voting machines. There is no reason to trust insiders in the election industry any more than in other industries." Reform advocates' increased credibility has resulted in real action, with several governors and secretaries of state taking matters into their own hands. Some states are now requiring a "voter verified paper audit trail" (VVPAT). Election security advocates have also begun filing lawsuits as a way to block state and election officials' efforts to use touch-screen equipment that lack a VVPAT. So far, lawsuits in nearly a dozen states have been filed, with the embattled terrain becoming tense and increasingly high-stakes. Another positive development is the use in half of all counties of optical-scan machines that read hand-marked paper ballots (up from 41 percent in 2000), since at least the paper ballot can be used as an audit trail. And the use of punchcard voting equipment, which was badly discredited during the 2000 presidential vote count in Florida, has declined from 18 percent of counties in 2000 to just under 4 percent today. Heading into the 2006 election, fair election advocates need to remain vigilant. Almost bizarrely, vigilance will be aided by the noncompetitive nature of our winner-take-all elections. In the contest over control of Congress, the battleground has become extremely shrunken with only 30-35 out of 435 U.S. House seats and perhaps six to eight races in the Senate up for grabs. That means efforts to monitor elections can occur over a smaller playing field, allowing targeted vigilance. In the longer term, activists must turn their efforts to a more visionary agenda that will ensure fair and secure elections. That agenda must include: 1) elections run by nonpartisan and unbiased election officials; 2) professionalization and training of election officials and poll workers, and 3) a national elections commission that can partner with states and counties to create national, uniform standards for running elections. Looking even further, the U.S. should consider following the lead of other nations and create "public interest voting equipment," where government contracts with the sharpest minds in the private sector to develop open source software and voting equipment that is owned and managed by the government instead of by shadowy corporations. The current state of election administration is very much like the repeated warnings in New Orleans about the vulnerability of its levees. Without modernization of our administrative practices, as well as better public oversight and vigilance, our elections will remain vulnerable to breakdown and allegations of fraud. Steven Hill is director of the political reform program of the New America Foundation and author of "10 Steps to Repair American Democracy" ( < http://p3books.com/books/10_steps.html > ). From danasg at greens.org Fri Aug 4 08:17:33 2006 From: danasg at greens.org (Dana St. George) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:17:33 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Join Teleconference w Eshoo Staff to Push for Cease Fire] Message-ID: <44D3650D.7010605@greens.org> Dear fellow Greens, The conflict in the middle east poses a grave threat to all of us. Please consider joining this teleconference next Tuesday if you are a constituent of Anna Eshoo. Some of the participants will be Peninsula Peace and Justice Center, Tikkun/MIPAC, local Lebanese-Americans,Multifaith Voices for Peace,Jewish Voices for Peace, Rachell Marshall (who writes for the Washington Report on Middle Eastern Affairs) and others. The goal of the call is to get Eshoo to co-sponsor Resolution 450 (Kucinic), calling for an immediate cease-fire, negotiations and allowing humanitarian aid to enter the country. Dana St. George -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Donna Baranski-Walker Subject: Join Teleconference w Eshoo Staff to Push for Cease Fire Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:13:46 -0700 Size: 7265 URL: From WB4D23 at aol.com Fri Aug 4 09:07:59 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:07:59 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Callers Needed To Contact County Greens About August 13th Picnic Message-ID: <52e.49cb1ce.3204cadf@aol.com> At last nights General Meeting we began distributing GPSCC lists to call people about the picnic on Sunday August 13th. A telephone script and information was posted earlier on this email list. If you are willing to help by making calls to people about the picnic (and Tapestry Festival), contact Cameron Spitzer at _cls at truffula.sj.ca.us_ (mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us) and he can provide you with a call list by email. You can set your own limit on the number of calls you make (but we are asking for at least 20 calls since many numbers are expected to be voicemails, not homes or incorrect numbers). This is an outreach exercise as well as about publicizing the picnic. Please help! Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:47:21 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg & Gayle McLaughlin; A conversation about forgiveness, the politics of hate and what to do next Message-ID: <20060805034721.43627.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> For details on all four public events with Michael Berg this weekend see http://tinyurl.com/m9sfj Note that the biggest Green political event he'll be at is the Rally with Krissy Keefer in SF Saturday night. ----------------- Here's the one that subbed for the House party here in the South Bay I was planning and gives the flavor of what I'd wanted to do with Carol Brouillet (maybe there'll be a next time): Richmond City Councilmember Gayle McLaughlin Present on SUNDAY August 6 2006 (2:30 PM-3:30 PM) A conversation about forgiveness, the politics of hate and what to do next with Michael Berg American, father, peace activist, ?Revenge is something that I do not follow, I do not ask for, I do not wish for against anybody. This war took the life of my son Nick and it takes the life of another son or daughter every 12 minutes. Not one more should die in this immoral and illegal war ? WHERE? WHEN ? For a listing of all four public events please see: Berkeley Fellowship of SUNDAY AUGUST 13, 2006 Unitarian Universalists 2:30 PM ? 3:30 PM 1924 Cedar St (at Bonita) info at richmondprogressivealliance.net North Berkeley 510-495-5132 labor donated Michael Berg, from Delaware, was thrust into the media spotlight when his son Nick was abducted and killed in May, 2004 in Iraq in retaliation for the murders, rapes, and torture of Iraqis in Abu Ghraib prison. Out of his profound grief Michael became famous with his statement, Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. Now he is known for his stand to end the war: Revenge Stops Here. Responsibility Starts Here. Those who committed the betrayal of trust about Iraq and the weakening of our country must be held accountable. Bring the troops home now! ------ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Sat Aug 5 09:01:36 2006 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peace Center access solved Message-ID: Last thursday's business meeting was a bit of a fiasco because my key to the Collins Foundation building (the San Jose Peace Center is a tenant there) didn't work. Bill Ferguson (Peace Center staff) returned my call late Thursday night and gave me the special instructions for using that key, which had changed since the last time I had one. The Peace Center officer who gave me the new key didn't know the new instructions. I went down there yesterday and verified I can get in there now. Sorry for the trouble. Cameron From civillib at cwnet.com Sat Aug 5 00:54:56 2006 From: civillib at cwnet.com (civillib at cwnet.com) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:54:56 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg & Gayle McLaughlin; A conversation about forgiveness, the politics of hate and what to do next Message-ID: <3.0.32.20060804234836.01ca15e0@mailhost.cwnet.com> Were you able to put something together re: media? It's not too late to do that, if the event is Sunday. Weekend editors usually come in mid-morning Saturday. Let me know if I can help. Cres At 08:44 PM 8/4/2006 -0700, JamBoi wrote: >For details on all four public events with Michael Berg this weekend >see http://tinyurl.com/m9sfj Note that the biggest Green political >event he'll be at is the Rally with Krissy Keefer in SF Saturday night. > > >----------------- >Here's the one that subbed for the House party here in the South Bay I >was planning and gives the flavor of what I'd wanted to do with Carol >Brouillet (maybe there'll be a next time): > >Richmond City Councilmember Gayle McLaughlin Present >on SUNDAY August 6 2006 (2:30 PM-3:30 PM) >A conversation about forgiveness, >the politics of hate and what to do next >with >Michael Berg >American, father, peace activist, > ?Revenge is something that I do not follow, I do not ask for, >I do not wish for against anybody. This war took the life of my son >Nick and it takes the life of another son or daughter every 12 minutes. >Not one more should die in this immoral and illegal war ? > >WHERE? WHEN ? > >For a listing of all four public events please see: > >Berkeley Fellowship of SUNDAY AUGUST 13, 2006 > >Unitarian Universalists 2:30 PM ? 3:30 PM > >1924 Cedar St (at Bonita) info at richmondprogressivealliance.net > >North Berkeley 510-495-5132 labor donated >Michael Berg, from Delaware, was thrust into the media spotlight when >his son Nick was abducted and killed in May, 2004 in Iraq in >retaliation for the murders, rapes, and torture of Iraqis in Abu Ghraib >prison. Out of his profound grief Michael became famous with his >statement, Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald >Rumsfeld. Now he is known for his stand to end the war: Revenge Stops >Here. Responsibility Starts Here. Those who committed the betrayal of >trust about Iraq and the weakening of our country must be held >accountable. Bring the troops home now! >------ > >JamBoi >Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Aug 4 20:44:35 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 20:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg & Gayle McLaughlin; A conversation about forgiveness, the politics of hate and what to do next Message-ID: <20060805034435.33254.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> For details on all four public events with Michael Berg this weekend see http://tinyurl.com/m9sfj Note that the biggest Green political event he'll be at is the Rally with Krissy Keefer in SF Saturday night. ----------------- Here's the one that subbed for the House party here in the South Bay I was planning and gives the flavor of what I'd wanted to do with Carol Brouillet (maybe there'll be a next time): Richmond City Councilmember Gayle McLaughlin Present on SUNDAY August 6 2006 (2:30 PM-3:30 PM) A conversation about forgiveness, the politics of hate and what to do next with Michael Berg American, father, peace activist, ?Revenge is something that I do not follow, I do not ask for, I do not wish for against anybody. This war took the life of my son Nick and it takes the life of another son or daughter every 12 minutes. Not one more should die in this immoral and illegal war ? WHERE? WHEN ? For a listing of all four public events please see: Berkeley Fellowship of SUNDAY AUGUST 13, 2006 Unitarian Universalists 2:30 PM ? 3:30 PM 1924 Cedar St (at Bonita) info at richmondprogressivealliance.net North Berkeley 510-495-5132 labor donated Michael Berg, from Delaware, was thrust into the media spotlight when his son Nick was abducted and killed in May, 2004 in Iraq in retaliation for the murders, rapes, and torture of Iraqis in Abu Ghraib prison. Out of his profound grief Michael became famous with his statement, Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. Now he is known for his stand to end the war: Revenge Stops Here. Responsibility Starts Here. Those who committed the betrayal of trust about Iraq and the weakening of our country must be held accountable. Bring the troops home now! ------ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 10:07:07 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Telephone Script For Calling Greens About August 13th Picnic In-Reply-To: <46c.70660980.3202c0d3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060805170707.46765.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Please also remember to mention Carol Brouillet running for US Cong, Dist 14 v Anna Eshoo, our ONLY local candidate in our county!!! (btw, how did that get forgotten in the script???). A Million Votes for Peace, Drew --- WB4D23 at aol.com wrote: > MODEL SCRIPT AND NOTES FOR AUGUST 13TH PICNIC > TELEPHONE CALLS > > Below is a model telephone script to invite GPSCC members to the > August 13th > picnic at > Uvas Canyon County Park. This is an outline for talking points, but > > remember to be yourself when you leave a voicemail message or talk > to someone. > > Please keep track of all responses or non-responses and provide that > > information > to Warner or Cameron (e.g., wrong number; moved; or volunteers > information). > This is an experiment to try to contact people who usually don???t > hear from > us. ************************************************* > TELEPHONE "SCRIPT" FOR PICNIC AND TABLING > > Hello: Is _ (Name of Person)_there (or at home)? > > [If voicemail; start here after "Hello".] > I'm calling to invite [name of person] to a Green Party picnic at > Uvas > Canyon County Park, Sunday, August 13th, and to let you know we will > have > a booth at the Tapestry Festival in downtown San Jose during the > Labor Day > weekend. > > [Next: If talking to someone.] > Would you be interested in coming to the picnic or meeting other > Greens at the Tapestry Festival? [Continue or give closing > information > depending on response.] > > [Next: If voicemail or another person is taking message.] > We would like to see you at either event. You can call us at > 408-223-2784 > or go to our webpage at cagreens.org/sclara. > > ******************************************************** > Answers To Some Frequently Asked Questions: (If you are asked a > question > you can???t answer, write it down and tell the person you will try > to have > someone > call back with the information. Be sure to get the question, and > person???s > name > and telephone number to someone for the call back, or do it yourself > after > getting > the information.) > > How did you get this telephone number? > Answer: All political parties are allowed to get a copy of > the registered voters list and use it to contact its members. > > What are directions to Uvas Canyon County Park? > Uvas Canyon County Park is located at the end of Croy Road in Uvas > Canyon. > >From Highway 101, take Bernal Road west. Turn left on Santa Teresa > Boulevard. > Travel south three miles and turn right onto Bailey Avenue. Follow > Bailey > Road 2.3 miles to McKean Road. Turn left onto McKean Road (McKean > Road becomes > Uvas Road 2.2 miles south of Bailey Road). From Bailey Road travel 6 > miles > south on McKean/Uvas Road and turn right onto Croy Road. Continue > 4.4 miles on > Croy Road, through Sveadal, to reach the Park entrance. Sveadal is a > private > resort belonging to the Swedish American Patriotic League. Please > respect > their privacy and drive slowly as you pass through Sveadal. > > When will the picnic happen? Sunday August 13th, about 12 Noon to 4 > pm > > When and Where are local meetings? We have business meetings on the > first > Thursday of the month at 7:30 pm at the San Jose Peace Center 48 > South 7th > Street just north of San Jose State University (but this schedule may > change). > We are also planning to begin start program and > discussion meetings. > > What else is the local Green Party doing? We are working on a > candidates > event > the end of September or early October in Mountain View. We also > table at > farmers markets and community events to register voters and > distribute our > literature. > [Ask: What kinds of things would you be interested in helping > with?] > > Are there Green Party candidates in the November election? > Yes. There are Green Party candidates for statewide offices as well > as > Congressional (CD), > State Senate (SD) and State Assembly (AD) candidates in some other > districts > -- > Todd Chretian for U.S. Senate; Peter Camejo for Governor; Donna > Warren for > Lt. Governor; > Mike Wyman for Attorney General; Mehul Thakker for Treasurer; > Forrest Hill > for Secretary of State; Laura Wells for Controller; Larry Cafiero > for > Insurance Commissioner; Robert Vizzard > SD 4; Matthew Rick SD 18; Cat Woods AD6 (Novato); Barry Hermanson AD > 12 > (San Francisco); David Silva AD 34 (Tulare County); Ricardo Costa AD > 44 > (Pasadena); > Peter Thottham AD53 (Mar Vista); Pamela Elizonda CD 1 (Laytonville); > Jeff > Kravitz CD 5 (Sacramento); Kristine Keefer CD8 (San Francisco); > Carol Brouillet > CD 14 (Palo Alto); > John Miller CD 21; Byron De Lear CD 28 (Sherman Oaks); William > Paparian CD > 29 (Pasadena) > > What are Green Party positions on ballot measures on the November > Election? > Our local Green Party has endorsed the County Green Belt Initiative. > The > state party > is still developing its positions on the statewide ballot measures. JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 5 12:11:38 2006 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 12:11:38 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Camejo event in Mountain View Message-ID: <44D4ED6A.30008@sbcglobal.net> This message originated with Fred. Great News! According to Jo Chamberlain, Peter Camejo is enthusiastic about participating in the GPSCC event at the MV Historic Adobe Bldg. (HAP). He chose Tuesday, October 3. I've reserved the HAB for 10/03/06. The earliest hour we can occupy it will be 5:00 pm. We reserved it for four hours in 2002 for $60 plus. On Monday I'll pay the refundable deposit. My suggestion is that we serve only soft drinks and fruit juices if we can save on the cost of insurance for covering alcohol beverage related liability. Regarding expenditures and receipts, I think we, GPSCC, should pay the expenses from the funds raised, then split the balance, 50% - 50%, with the candidates. (I think we should keep all of our literature receipts.) We should have a plan on this to giveJo/Peter and the candidates I would also suggest that we keep the buffet simpler this time. Last time we had fun with door prize drawings. We'll need committees for: Floor Manager Miss/Master of Ceremonies Refreshments Media Entertainment Promotions Literature Table Hosting Fund Raising Logistics (Including parking, electronics and equipment) and Cleanup Perhaps the Program Planning should be done at the September GPSCC meeting, with the fine tuning done at a special meeting closer to the event. I can pay the up front costs and divvy up with the GPSCC after the event. Gerry and/or Jim Doyle, please forward this message on to Drew, Tom and Tim, who were at the meeting last night, Roy Harrison and others who should be included . I'll send a copy of this to Mary-Lyle Rempel. Fred From funking at mindspring.com Sat Aug 5 16:40:21 2006 From: funking at mindspring.com (Susan King) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 16:40:21 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg & Gayle McLaughlin; A conversation about forgiveness, the politics of hate and what to do next In-Reply-To: <20060805165512.28764.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060805165512.28764.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00659A48-521A-4456-B70D-C8B1EDBCE83F@mindspring.com> FYI, Michael Berg and Krissy Keefer are doing an event in SF here tonight (in a few hours...), we have been getting media calls. Krissy was featured on Channel 2 last night, as a counter point to Nancy Pelosi's New Direction for America (staged) event in SF. Krissy pointed out that the invasion of Lebanon is making more enemies for both Israel and the US. The reporter, Randy Shandobil, concluded the report by saying that the situation in the Middle East was a major issue, and neither major party has taken a position on it. Good coverage for the Greens, and for Krissy's campaign. Erika and I can report back on what kind of coverage we get tonight. pecae, susan On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:55 AM, JamBoi wrote: > Hey Cres, > > No I wasn't able to and I don't think the Richmond Progressive > Alliance > were able to either. It's beyond our scope, but I know Michael would > love to do that if you or someone more expert in that field could > bring > it together. > > A Million Votes for Peace! > > Drew > > --- civillib at cwnet.com wrote: > > >> Were you able to put something together re: media? It's not too late >> to do >> that, if the event is Sunday. Weekend editors usually come in >> mid-morning >> Saturday. Let me know if I can help. >> >> Cres >> >> At 08:44 PM 8/4/2006 -0700, JamBoi wrote: >> >>> For details on all four public events with Michael Berg this weekend >>> see http://tinyurl.com/m9sfj Note that the biggest Green political >>> event he'll be at is the Rally with Krissy Keefer in SF Saturday >>> >> night. >> >>> >>> >>> ----------------- >>> Here's the one that subbed for the House party here in the South Bay >>> >> I >> >>> was planning and gives the flavor of what I'd wanted to do with >>> >> Carol >> >>> Brouillet (maybe there'll be a next time): >>> >>> Richmond City Councilmember Gayle McLaughlin Present >>> on SUNDAY August 6 2006 (2:30 PM-3:30 PM) >>> A conversation about forgiveness, >>> the politics of hate and what to do next >>> with >>> Michael Berg >>> American, father, peace activist, >>> ?Revenge is something that I do not follow, I do not ask >>> >> for, >> >>> I do not wish for against anybody. This war took the life of my son >>> Nick and it takes the life of another son or daughter every 12 >>> >> minutes. >> >>> Not one more should die in this immoral and illegal war ? >>> >>> WHERE? WHEN ? >>> >>> For a listing of all four public events please see: >>> >>> Berkeley Fellowship of SUNDAY AUGUST 13, 2006 >>> >>> Unitarian Universalists 2:30 PM ? 3:30 PM >>> >>> 1924 Cedar St (at Bonita) info at richmondprogressivealliance.net >>> >>> North Berkeley 510-495-5132 labor donated >>> Michael Berg, from Delaware, was thrust into the media spotlight >>> >> when >> >>> his son Nick was abducted and killed in May, 2004 in Iraq in >>> retaliation for the murders, rapes, and torture of Iraqis in Abu >>> >> Ghraib >> >>> prison. Out of his profound grief Michael became famous with his >>> statement, Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald >>> Rumsfeld. Now he is known for his stand to end the war: Revenge >>> >> Stops >> >>> Here. Responsibility Starts Here. Those who committed the betrayal >>> >> of >> >>> trust about Iraq and the weakening of our country must be held >>> accountable. Bring the troops home now! >>> ------ >>> >>> JamBoi >>> Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer >>> >>> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) >>> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> > > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From jamboi at yahoo.com Sat Aug 5 09:55:12 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg & Gayle McLaughlin; A conversation about forgiveness, the politics of hate and what to do next In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20060804234836.01ca15e0@mailhost.cwnet.com> Message-ID: <20060805165512.28764.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Cres, No I wasn't able to and I don't think the Richmond Progressive Alliance were able to either. It's beyond our scope, but I know Michael would love to do that if you or someone more expert in that field could bring it together. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- civillib at cwnet.com wrote: > Were you able to put something together re: media? It's not too late > to do > that, if the event is Sunday. Weekend editors usually come in > mid-morning > Saturday. Let me know if I can help. > > Cres > > At 08:44 PM 8/4/2006 -0700, JamBoi wrote: > >For details on all four public events with Michael Berg this weekend > >see http://tinyurl.com/m9sfj Note that the biggest Green political > >event he'll be at is the Rally with Krissy Keefer in SF Saturday > night. > > > > > >----------------- > >Here's the one that subbed for the House party here in the South Bay > I > >was planning and gives the flavor of what I'd wanted to do with > Carol > >Brouillet (maybe there'll be a next time): > > > >Richmond City Councilmember Gayle McLaughlin Present > >on SUNDAY August 6 2006 (2:30 PM-3:30 PM) > >A conversation about forgiveness, > >the politics of hate and what to do next > >with > >Michael Berg > >American, father, peace activist, > > ?Revenge is something that I do not follow, I do not ask > for, > >I do not wish for against anybody. This war took the life of my son > >Nick and it takes the life of another son or daughter every 12 > minutes. > >Not one more should die in this immoral and illegal war ? > > > >WHERE? WHEN ? > > > >For a listing of all four public events please see: > > > >Berkeley Fellowship of SUNDAY AUGUST 13, 2006 > > > >Unitarian Universalists 2:30 PM ? 3:30 PM > > > >1924 Cedar St (at Bonita) info at richmondprogressivealliance.net > > > >North Berkeley 510-495-5132 labor donated > >Michael Berg, from Delaware, was thrust into the media spotlight > when > >his son Nick was abducted and killed in May, 2004 in Iraq in > >retaliation for the murders, rapes, and torture of Iraqis in Abu > Ghraib > >prison. Out of his profound grief Michael became famous with his > >statement, Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald > >Rumsfeld. Now he is known for his stand to end the war: Revenge > Stops > >Here. Responsibility Starts Here. Those who committed the betrayal > of > >trust about Iraq and the weakening of our country must be held > >accountable. Bring the troops home now! > >------ > > > >JamBoi > >Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > > >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Mjsmith55 at aol.com Sun Aug 6 13:28:34 2006 From: Mjsmith55 at aol.com (Mjsmith55 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:28:34 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Event Announcement: Green Party presentation on ballot props Message-ID: Green Talk with the Green Party of San Mateo County What: Town Hall-style meeting with the Green Party of San Mateo County on Ballot Initiatives in the upcoming Special Election. Another wave of Arnold?s initiatives that he couldn?t get through the legislature. Come share your voice! Who: Members of the GPSMC Council will give reports on each of the initiatives, but we want YOU to tell us what you think. When: Wednesday August 9 at 7-9pm. Preceded by refreshements and discussion 6-7pm. Come early to socialize! Where: Green party office, 212 A Miller St, South San Francisco, 94080. Cost: FREE. Public is invited Contacts: For more info contact the GPSMC Email: _gpsmc at cagreens.org_ (mailto:gpsmc at cagreens.org) . Phone: 650-366-6603 Website: _http://www.cagreens.org/sanmateo/calendar.html_ (http://www.cagreens.org/sanmateo/calendar.html) Event coordinator: Mitch Smith. Email: _mjsmith55 at aol.com_ (mailto:mjsmith55 at aol.com) Downloadable flyer at _http://www.greens.org/cal/sanmateo/files/GT20060809.pdf_ (http://www.greens.org/cal/sanmateo/files/GT20060809.pdf) . Please distribute widely. *****This event is wheelchair accessible***** Every month, the Green Party of San Mateo County hosts lectures on topics important to residents of our region.Speakers may be local residents discussing their area of expertise or nationally-recognized activists Whether thesubject is taxes, health care, public transportation or airport expansion, you will find something at the Green Talksthat impacts you and your neighbors. 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When I got there a couple of dozen people were listening with rapt attention to a gray haired man in a T shirt with a large pink peace sign. He was explaining that the CIA had locked up his son, Nicholas Berg, for twelve days during the time the news of Abu Ghraib. When they released Nick, they warned him that their sleepy war had been radicalized by the news, but he apparently didn't get the news on a visceral enough level. Michael Berg said that the last contact he'd gotten directly from his son was an email saying Nick was leaving Iraq soon, but he didn't know how just yet. Then he told us of a vision he had soon after that. Michael saw his son being kidnapped on a bus, which he later found out to be about what happened. The next thing he knew, he was finding out his son had been beheaded by people that were taking revenge on America for our prisoner abuses and other crimes. He indicated that a lot of people had seen Nick's beheading on the Internet. Michael Berg then talked about restorative justice. He told us that after his son had died he had taken a course in theology, and they had explained that revenge for revenge was not the way. Bush's war was wrong, and Zarquowi (if that's who it was) had been radicalized by news of prisoner abuses. The time to break the cycle of violence was now. The Sister who taught the course explained to him that if the person who had wronged him wasn't available, he should find a proxy to talk out the issue with. He talked about talking to an empty chair, asking "why did you do it?" Finally he realized that revenge has to stop with himself. He sees President Bush as a deeply wounded man. Michael Berg didn't really talk much about running for Congress as a Green Party Candidate in Delaware. He mentioned being in favor of single payer health care, but mostly his talk was about the spiritual aspects of restorative justice. After the speech there were a couple of questions about it, but he didn't want to jeopardize the church's 501.c.3 status by answering them. After he sat down, somebody asked people to donate to his campaign, and I did. I also saw several people writing checks. It was the softest pitch I can remember. A few minutes later he ran off to a press conference at the BART station, where the sound bite he put out there was "My son's death was wrong, but Bush's war is worse. We need to bring the troops home NOW!" -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I went camping a week or so ago. Looking at the stars, I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits the eye with way more light then they actually send us. From wrolley at charter.net Mon Aug 7 12:30:43 2006 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:30:43 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Picnic Message-ID: <44D794E3.2070207@charter.net> I have one idea about the picnic. As everyone enjoys the natural setting in Uvas Canyon, please give consideration to your vote on the Open Space Initiative. The Green Party SCC endorsed this initiative, in fact was the first political organization to do so. We should use that event as an opportunity to remind everyone. Wes -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 19:53:56 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg says break the cycle of violence In-Reply-To: <44D779A3.5030305@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <20060808025356.51936.qmail@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> I was very pleased that at least one other SCC GP member made it to the Berkeley talk and press conference that I'd set up for Michael Berg. Really appreciated Tian's presence and support! I'll forward the press release we did for the press conference. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- Tian Harter wrote: > Yesterday afternoon Michael Berg gave a speech at the UU Church at > Bonita > & Cedar in Berkeley. Unfortunately, I didn't realize it takes two > hours > to get > there by transit on Sunday afternoon until I was well on the way. I > missed the > first part of the speech. When I got there a couple of dozen people > were > listening > with rapt attention to a gray haired man in a T shirt with a large > pink > peace sign. > He was explaining that the CIA had locked up his son, Nicholas Berg, > for > twelve > days during the time the news of Abu Ghraib. When they released Nick, > they > warned him that their sleepy war had been radicalized by the news, > but he > apparently didn't get the news on a visceral enough level. > > Michael Berg said that the last contact he'd gotten directly from his > > son was > an email saying Nick was leaving Iraq soon, but he didn't know how > just yet. > Then he told us of a vision he had soon after that. Michael saw his > son > being > kidnapped on a bus, which he later found out to be about what > happened. > The next thing he knew, he was finding out his son had been beheaded > by > people that were taking revenge on America for our prisoner abuses > and > other crimes. He indicated that a lot of people had seen Nick's > beheading > on the Internet. > > Michael Berg then talked about restorative justice. He told us that > after his > son had died he had taken a course in theology, and they had > explained that > revenge for revenge was not the way. Bush's war was wrong, and > Zarquowi > (if that's who it was) had been radicalized by news of prisoner > abuses. The > time to break the cycle of violence was now. The Sister who taught > the > course > explained to him that if the person who had wronged him wasn't > available, he > should find a proxy to talk out the issue with. He talked about > talking > to an > empty chair, asking "why did you do it?" Finally he realized that > revenge has > to stop with himself. He sees President Bush as a deeply wounded man. > > Michael Berg didn't really talk much about running for Congress as a > Green > Party Candidate in Delaware. He mentioned being in favor of single > payer > health care, but mostly his talk was about the spiritual aspects of > restorative > justice. After the speech there were a couple of questions about it, > but he > didn't want to jeopardize the church's 501.c.3 status by answering > them. > > After he sat down, somebody asked people to donate to his campaign, > and I > did. I also saw several people writing checks. It was the softest > pitch > I can > remember. A few minutes later he ran off to a press conference at the > BART > station, where the sound bite he put out there was "My son's death > was > wrong, but Bush's war is worse. We need to bring the troops home > NOW!" > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > I went camping a week or so ago. Looking at the stars, > I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits > the eye with way more light then they actually send us. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Aug 7 20:03:23 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Michael Berg says break the cycle of violence In-Reply-To: <44D779A3.5030305@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <20060808030323.94715.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Here's the press release I arranged for the Michael Berg press conference I'd set up that followed the Berkeley talk that I substituted for the house party I originally had scheduled at Fred's club house (gee there's four I's in there. ;-) ). Yes I was very busy this week setting this and another appearance he did with CodePink in SF Saturday. My point? Working with the Alameda Green Party, Richmond Progressive Alliance and Code Pink in just a few days we put together all this. This is something we CAN do. We can put together events and we can do press conferences. Its not that hard. We CAN do this and we CAN make a difference here in Silicon Valley. And BTW, it may be possible to invite Michael Berg here again (in a more planned out ahead of time way) in the future. ;-) URGENT NEWS ADVISORY Sunday, August 6, 2006 Contact: Fred Hosea 510-684 6925 Father who has forgiven al Qaida leader for beheading son in Iraq makes Bay Area stops Sunday BERKELEY ? Michael Berg ? the father who says he forgives Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al Qaida leader for allegedly beheading Berg's son, Nicholas Berg ? will make several special appearances in the Bay Area Sunday. Berg will hold a NEWS BRIEFING on SUNDAY at 4 p.m. at the North Berkeley BART Station with Gayle McLaughlin, candidate for Richmond mayor. Now running as a Green Party peace candidate for Congress in Delaware, Berg will also be available for interview at the following Bay Area events: 2:30 p.m. Sunday, where he will speak at the Berkeley Unitarian Universalist Unitarian Church. 7 p.m. Sunday, at the 10th annual International Forgiveness Day event at Dominican University (Angelico Hall) in San Rafael, where he will be honored. Also among those feted will be the Bay Area's Nadia McCaffrey, who son, Sgt. Patrick McCaffrey, was killed in Iraq. Berg was thrust into the media spotlight when his son Nick was abducted and killed in May, 2004 in Iraq in retaliation for the murders, rapes, and torture of Iraqis in Abu Ghraib prison. Out of his profound grief Michael became famous with his statement, Nicholas Berg died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. Now he is known for his stand to end the war. "Revenge Stops Here. Responsibility Starts Here. This war took the life of my son Nick, and it takes the life of another son or daughter every 12 minutes. Not one more should die in this immoral and illegal war. Those who committed the betrayal of trust about Iraq and the weakening of our country must be held accountable. Bring the troops home now," said Berg. -30- --- Tian Harter wrote: > Yesterday afternoon Michael Berg gave a speech at the UU Church at > Bonita > & Cedar in Berkeley. Unfortunately, I didn't realize it takes two > hours > to get > there by transit on Sunday afternoon until I was well on the way. I > missed the > first part of the speech. When I got there a couple of dozen people > were > listening > with rapt attention to a gray haired man in a T shirt with a large > pink > peace sign. > He was explaining that the CIA had locked up his son, Nicholas Berg, > for > twelve > days during the time the news of Abu Ghraib. When they released Nick, > they > warned him that their sleepy war had been radicalized by the news, > but he > apparently didn't get the news on a visceral enough level. > > Michael Berg said that the last contact he'd gotten directly from his > > son was > an email saying Nick was leaving Iraq soon, but he didn't know how > just yet. > Then he told us of a vision he had soon after that. Michael saw his > son > being > kidnapped on a bus, which he later found out to be about what > happened. > The next thing he knew, he was finding out his son had been beheaded > by > people that were taking revenge on America for our prisoner abuses > and > other crimes. He indicated that a lot of people had seen Nick's > beheading > on the Internet. > > Michael Berg then talked about restorative justice. He told us that > after his > son had died he had taken a course in theology, and they had > explained that > revenge for revenge was not the way. Bush's war was wrong, and > Zarquowi > (if that's who it was) had been radicalized by news of prisoner > abuses. The > time to break the cycle of violence was now. The Sister who taught > the > course > explained to him that if the person who had wronged him wasn't > available, he > should find a proxy to talk out the issue with. He talked about > talking > to an > empty chair, asking "why did you do it?" Finally he realized that > revenge has > to stop with himself. He sees President Bush as a deeply wounded man. > > Michael Berg didn't really talk much about running for Congress as a > Green > Party Candidate in Delaware. He mentioned being in favor of single > payer > health care, but mostly his talk was about the spiritual aspects of > restorative > justice. After the speech there were a couple of questions about it, > but he > didn't want to jeopardize the church's 501.c.3 status by answering > them. > > After he sat down, somebody asked people to donate to his campaign, > and I > did. I also saw several people writing checks. It was the softest > pitch > I can > remember. A few minutes later he ran off to a press conference at the > BART > station, where the sound bite he put out there was "My son's death > was > wrong, but Bush's war is worse. We need to bring the troops home > NOW!" > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > I went camping a week or so ago. Looking at the stars, > I got to thinking that reading words about them probably hits > the eye with way more light then they actually send us. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From danasg at greens.org Tue Aug 8 14:31:46 2006 From: danasg at greens.org (Dana St. George) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:31:46 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] SouthBay Mobilization/Donate to place newspaper ads Message-ID: <44D902C2.4060303@greens.org> Greens, I received a phone call today from Merriam of South Bay Mobilization. They need donations to place anti-war ads in the Metro newspaper(and maybe others). You can go to the website at : SBM4peace.org or Donate to : mkmusic03 at aol.com or Send checks to: South Bay Mobilization P.O. Box 641163 San Jose, CA 95164 Dana St. George, GPSCC From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 9 09:58:33 2006 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:58:33 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Community Fest tabling Message-ID: <44DA1439.8070307@sbcglobal.net> The Santa Teresa Community Festival is on Saturday September 16-th from 11 am until 5 pm. We muffed it last year in spite of their emails asking us if we would be there. The time is a month away but we will need to apply for a reserved space. If you can be there on that date and table, please contact me, Jim Doyle. Jim Doyle (408) 269-3299 j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net I am aware that we have a full schedule as far as weekends are concerned. 3 days at Tapestry Arts Sep 2,3,4 2 days at State Plenary Sep 9,10 Then this event Saturday Sep 16 And in Mountain View Tuesday Oct 3 Their website is http://www.communityfest.org/ There is a map of available spaces at http://www.communityfest.org/spaceassign.pdf There are some local community issues are at http://www.southsanjose.com/ More local community issues are at http://www.stfna.org/stf/default.asp?id=55 There is a review of the lead up to the Calpine plant at http://www.santateresacitizen.org/ From wrolley at charter.net Thu Aug 10 08:21:26 2006 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:21:26 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Proposition 90 Message-ID: <44DB4EF6.2030402@charter.net> I have been putting together information on Proposition 90 and why Greens everywhere should oppose it. It starts at my California Greening blog. This is onle of the most deceiptfuly presented initiatives that I have seen. -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From WB4D23 at aol.com Thu Aug 10 21:01:15 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:01:15 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA Official Notice] GPCA STATEWIDE POLL OF COUNTIES--INITIATIVES Message-ID: This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List. For more information, or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. Follow the contact directions listed at the end of the email. GPCA STATEWIDE POLL OF COUNTIES--INITIATIVES FOR NOVEMBER 7 ELECTION. August 10 - September 8, 10:00 A.M. PRESENTER: GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group (CCWG). BACKGROUND: The GPCA uses a poll of all recognized county Green Parties to determine GPCA positions on ballot measures. Thirteen such initiatives have qualified for the next state election on November 7, 2006. Please be sure that your county participates by submitting votes by Friday, September 8, 10:00 a.m. THE POLL: This poll contains a list of all initiatives that have qualified for the Nov. 7 Election. Each initiative title is followed by a recommendation made by volunteers from the Green Party grassroots who have reviewed the measures. Of course, counties are free to agree or disagree with the recommended positions. Following the list of initiatives is an extensive list of arguments and resources for research about each. PROCESS: Please provide the Poll Coordinators (Matthew Leslie, Michael Borenstein) with vote results from your county in the following form for each ballot initiative: "Yes" for the GPCA to support the initiative "No" for the GPCA to oppose the initiative "No Position" for the GPCA to deliberately remain neutral on the initiative Votes may also be cast as "Abstain" if they do not wish to participate in the poll. Abstentions will be counted toward quorum. Vote on the initiative itself, not the recommendation. For example, if CCWG has recommended a position of "No," and your county wishes to agree and vote "No" on the initiative, then your county should vote "No" on the initiative, and not "Yes" on the recommended "No" position. PLEASE SUBMIT VOTES IN THE AMOUNT ALLOTED TO YOUR COUNTY FOR THE LAKE TAHOE, SEPT. 2006 PLENARY. This list can be found at http://www.cagreens.org/liaison/delegates.html. For example, if your county has 2 delegates, you would submit 2 votes in any combination of positions. (Votes from counties with more than one delegate vote need not be unanimous.) Your county should rely on its own internal processes to arrive at its positions. To find out how many delegate votes your county has, please check the list included at the end of this document. The poll has an 80% threshold. TIMELINE: The voting period begins on Thursday, August 10 at 10:00 A.M., AND ENDS ON Friday, September 8, at 10:00 A.M. Votes received after the closing date and time will not be counted. Submit all votes to BOTH of the Poll Coordinators at the following email addresses: Matthew Leslie mrl at greens.org Michael Borenstein thebor at greens.org Please submit any questions about the process of the poll to the same addresses. THE POLL: Recommended state Green Party positions for this November's state propositions: Yes -- 1A -- Transportation Funding Protection (Constitutional Amendment) No -- 1B -- Highway Safety, Traffic Reduction, Air Quality, Port Security Bond Act of 2006 (No Position) -- 1C -- Housing and Emergency Shelter Trust Fund Act of 2006. Yes -- 1D -- Education facilities: Kindergarten-University Public Education Facilities Bond Act of 2006. Yes -- 1E -- Disaster Preparedness and Flood Prevention Bond Act of 2006. No -- 83 -- Sex Offenders. Sexually Violent Predators. Punishment, Residence Restrictions and Monitoring. Initiative Statute. Yes -- 84 -- Water Quality, Safety and Supply. Flood Control. Natural Resource Protection. Park Improvements. Bonds. Initiative Statute. No -- 85 -- Waiting Period and Parental Notification Before Termination of Minor's Pregnancy. Initiative Constitutional Amendment. Yes -- 86 -- Tax on Cigarettes. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute. Yes -- 87 -- Alternative Energy. Research, Production, Incentives. Tax on California Oil Producers. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute. (No Position) -- 88 -- Education Funding. Real Property Parcel Tax. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute. Yes -- 89 -- Political Campaigns. Public Financing. Corporate Tax Increase. Campaign Contribution and Expenditure Limits. Initiative Statute. No -- 90 -- Government Acquisition, Regulation of Private Property. Initiative Constitutional Amendment. 1A -- Yes -- Transportation Funding Protection (Constitutional Amendment) Prop. 1A provides for further restrictions on the borrowing of gas taxes from the Transportation Investment Fund by the General Fund (or the Governor). Thus, it provides further protection for local governments from raiding of local transportation funding. It provides for repayment deadlines. However, it also loosens the parameters of the current law by changing the circumstances under which borrowing may happen from *emergency* to *severe fiscal hardship* of the state. In both current and this proposed law, the Legislature must vote with a 2/3 majority to approve borrowing, without any unrelated baggage added to the bill. The changes from current law are: Borrowing in a fiscal year may take place when ALL of these occur: * Governor proclaims *necessity due to severe state fiscal hardship*. * Legislature passes the required bill with a 2/3 vote and no riders allowed. * A statute is enacted by the Legislature to repay the money with interest within 3 years. This prop. would also prohibit borrowing more than twice during any 10 year period of consecutive fiscal years and prohibit borrowing in any fiscal year in which a previous payment has not been made. Starting in 2008-2009: the allocation of funds is specified: 20% to mass transport and public transit 40% to capital improvement programs (read mostly highways) 20% maintenance and repair, storm damage, rehab, city reconstruction--done by cities 20% same-- done by counties (both can include a joint city or county) There is no alternative transport or bicycle/ped money, but that could be done under capital improvement. The Legislature may modify the percentages by 2/3 vote; again, a *pure* vote with no riders allowed. The total dollars would not change; that is, the revenue from gas taxes is the total; just the %s can be moved around. The Legislature may pass a bond statute secured by transfer payments. I would be in favor of this one. It is generally reasonable. The voters want gas taxes to be spent on transportation, and this does not change that. It is a use tax for maintaining and upgrading transportation. It does not increase CalTrans power (the biggest and richest department in state government). It does not increase taxes or indebtedness. And again, it further protects local governments from the raiding of local transportation funds by the state, along the lines of our value of decentralization. Proposition 1A warrants our support. 1B -- No -- Highway Safety, Traffic Reduction, Air Quality, Port Security Bond Act of 2006 ON THE OTHER HAND, there is Prop. 1B... Proposition 1B, a Bond Measure, is entitled *The Highway Safety, Traffic Reduction, Air Quality, and Port Security Act*. It specifies that that is what it is to be called on the ballot and it eliminates the part played by law in the Election Code of the Attorney General. I cannot approve of deliberately bypassing the Election Code law, no matter how poorly the Attorney General's office has been doing on these titles and analyses in recent years. This title pushes all the right buttons, but it is a bond call for $19,925,000,000 of our tax money, plus interest of course. Of that, Port Security gets $100,000,000. In other words, $19,825,000,000. does NOT go to port security. $2 billion is thrown to Dept. of Transportation (DOT) to augment other funding for whatever projects they wish. When you analyze all the $$, you will see that the elephant's portion of it goes to highway projects. Again and again you see the words *freight movement*, *goods movement*, *trade*.... Fixing up roads for ingress and egress to ports and harbors, main highways--because they are trade routes, airport access roads, you name it, it's still a road and their main concern is clearly really commerce. The parameters of allocation of funds are more to enhance the efficiency and speed and capacity of goods movement than they are to the lip service of safety or air quality ($200,000,000. for school buses, to reduce diesel exhaust and emissions--that's nice, but again, $19,925,000,000. minus $200,000,000. says that $19,725,000,000. is NOT going to the safety of children in CA. Some of these projects need to be done, but hardly as emergency items. (The bill specifies that it is an urgency measure--the reason? not for the need of the projects, but for the need to get it on the ballot in November!) Some of these should be on the list of projects in the regular budget for DOT, and I'll bet some of them, at least, are or will be. It seems we have a massive transportation bond measure every election, and this one clearly aims to take advantage of Katrina and security/terrorist concerns the voters may have...it is deliberately disingenuous and I can't abide this kind of sneakiness! Let's pay for transportation needs with gas taxes and augment as necessary from the General Fund, like any other need in the state would be funded. If education and state parks only had this pork! Be sure you read this one and talk about it! The Green Party should solidly oppose proposition 1B. 1C -- (No Position) -- Housing and Emergency Shelter Trust Fund Act of 2006. A coordination of groups is needed to provide housing to California residents. The state provides financial assistance, while cities and counties are responsible for the zoning and approval of new housing. In addition, local governments are responsible for providing infrastructure such as water, sewer, roads, and parks. Proposition 1C authorizes the state to sell $2.85 billion of general obligation bonds to fund new and existing programs. The major allocations: 1) Three new programs aimed development, such as parks, water, sewage, transportation, and housing, 2) Assistance to homebuyers to make downpayment for home ownership, and 3) Construction or renovation of rental housing projects, such as apartment buildings. The first concern is with the source of funds: general obligation bonds. They require state taxpayers to pay the interest on these bonds for perhaps the next 30 years. Since most of the payers will not end up owning the properties themselves, we wonder if they should be required to pay the costs. There is also concern with ownership by profit-motivated entities benefitting from such taxpayer-paid subsidy. There are nonprofit entities, whose purpose is to work with government to provide benefits for the public, for example, the California Housing Finance Agency. We cannot however guarantee that such housing will not someday get sold off to profit-motivated owners. It may be better to create limited equity arrangements composed of homeowners and local government to own the housing, so that individuals can be building equity, instead of always just paying out rent, year after year. As an alternative to Prop. 1C, programs which will instead allow people to build equity seem to make sense, but we don't yet have enough information about them, or knowledge about whether they've even been tried before, to definitively recommend them in lieu of 1C at this time. Assistance to low-income residents to afford to pay the down payment for home ownership is certainly a benefit for those residents. It is likely, however, that there will only be enough funds to help some and not others. Also, it is not clear whether the lucky residents could quickly sell their new homes to get a quick windfall at taxpayer expense. In previous elections, and in line with our key value of social justice, many Greens have supported the use of bonds to help finance housing for those who need assistance. For example, in 2002, although the state party did not take a position on proposition 46, the county Green Parties in Alameda and San Francisco counties both endorsed Prop. 46. Now however, some Greens are having reservations that these sorts of programs may simply not be the best use of public funds, to address the need for decent affordable housing. Given these present internal differences in our information and understanding, perhaps the wisest thing for the state Green Party to do might be to simply not take a position on 1C -- and then, over the next year or so, further develop and refine our understanding, analysis and policies on how best to use public funds to provide housing assistance. 1D -- Yes -- Education facilities: Kindergarten-University Public Education Facilities Bond Act of 2006. Here we go again. This nearly 10.5 billion dollar bond measure would fund K-12 seismic retrofits AND vocational training facilities (let's leave aside the mere token funding of voc. ed programs by the state, we'll have the facilities), as well as community college and university facility retrofits. Money is sorely needed, and it's difficult to envision anybody in state government actually allocating funds each year for 10 or 15 years to achieve these goals; therefore we are left with that old dilemma. Not the best way to fund these necessary goals, but perhaps, politically, the only way we have right now. (Interestingly, this measure was authored and sponsored by Nunez in the Assembly, who is the author, architect, and driving force behind the attempted dismantling of local control (elected School Board) in LA County.) Increased funding for public education needs to be a top Green statewide priority. And unfortunately it will be a while before significant funding alternatives can become a practical reality (although we should of course work for them). So in the meantime, let's endorse a "Yes" vote on 1D -- our students need to be supported now. 1E -- Yes -- Disaster Preparedness and Flood Prevention Bond Act of 2006. This Bond Measure (1E) puts the State in additional debt to the tune of 4 Billion dollars. At first read, we Green voters are excited by the fact that the measure recognizes as a goal: "the control and elimination of exotic species". But reading further we find only 300 million is available for those projects, where feasible, and only when someone else (the Federal government?) is putting up at least half the money. The vast majority of the money, 3 Billion, goes to repairing the state levee system. Our levees are old and, like much of California's non-highway public infrastructure, do not receive the attention they deserve. Literature on this measure claims that an earthquake in the Central Valley could create significant flooding. The supporters of this measure are betting we all have seen too many pictures of New Orleans this year to take a chance that an earthquake wouldn?t cause flooding. The Democrats bill this as part of "rebuild California" and when it works, it will do just that. But like many bonds that call for infrastructure rebuilding this one has the usual shortcoming: no details. For direction on how to decide where to spend the money, the bill reads: "Prioritize project selection and project design to achieve maximum public benefits from the use of these funds." The decision is left up to the legislature and the Governor. So, in reality, this measure just says "Hey, you folks in Sacramento, we'd like you to borrow 4 Billion and spend it on, ya know, prevent-Katrina-in-California looking stuff". We can conclude that some projects will be sorely needed, put local workers to work, and help strengthen the infrastructure while others will just be the usual pet projects of our current and future legislators. How much of each you think we will get depends upon what you think of how our State Government does at prioritizing projects. (For example, the latitude for spending in 1E is so broad that in theory, $3 billion could be spent on only those levees that will encourage more development on flood-prone and below sea-level land, while nothing at all might be spent to protect already-developed areas (such as areas in or near Sacramento). Or vice versa. The chances are, of course, that some of each will happen, but it's just impossible to predict how the money will actually end up being allocated). Be that as it may, I say vote "yes" because it will do its share of good. But if anyone asks what you'd prefer, respond: how about a measure that directs the Governor to borrow 4 Billion dollars, spend 500 Million creating detailed plans to put Californians to work on projects to strengthen our flood control infrastructure where lives and land are at the highest risk and then spends the other 3.5 Billion paying a living wage to implement the projects? In conclusion, yes, we'll be taking a risk by endorsing 1E and hoping that the money will be spent reasonably. But of course, all of us take lots of risks everyday, whether it's crossing the street, eating food that we didn't grow ourselves, or living near an earthquake fault. And for the many Californians who currently live in areas protected by levees, it's of course a risk as to whether the funding will come through to adequately maintain those levees. So let's risk helping them out. Vote "Yes" on 1E. 83 -- No -- Sex Offenders. Sexually Violent Predators. Punishment, Residence Restrictions and Monitoring. Initiative Statute. [ Proposition 83: The Sexual Predator Punishment and Control Act: Jessica's Law ] This initiative is a hysterical approach to a very serious issue. No one wants serious sex offenders who may re-offend on the loose or in their neighborhood. Prohibiting their living near parks and schools and using electronic monitoring to track their whereabouts may sound reasonable to many voters. Long sentences will keep them off the streets. However, this initiative has serious problems. By creating a 2000 foot radius surrounding parks and schools within which offenders cannot live, it virtually banishes them to rural areas, where small law enforcement agencies will have the burdensome task of tracking them. The initiative also fails to distinguish serious sex offenders from young men who may have used poor judgment in their relations with teenage girls. These men will never be able to live in most urban areas, will serve long prison sentences, and will be tracked for the rest of their lives as a result of their youthful indiscretion. All this is estimated to cost the taxpayers $500 million, money that could be better spent on programs to treat, track or incarcerate truly serious offenders. A similar law passed in Iowa in 2001 may soon be repealed, as the prosecutors' association that backed it now realizes their mistake. There is nothing in this "tough-on-crime" initiative that will actually improve present law so as to make our lives or our children's lives safer. This is an initiative that the Green Party should strongly oppose. 84 -- Yes -- Water Quality, Safety and Supply. Flood Control. Natural Resource Protection. Park Improvements. Bonds. Initiative Statute. The state operates a variety of programs to conserve natural resources, protect the environment, provide flood control, and offer recreational opportunities to the public. The state also operates a program to plan for future water supplies and other water-related requirements for a growing population. Since 1996, voters have authorized approximately $11 billion in general obligation bonds for various resource purposes. Of this amount, $1.4 billion is projected to remain available for new projects as of June 30, 2006. Prop 84 allows the state to sell $5.4 billion in general obligation bonds for safe drinking water, water quality, water supply, flood control, natural resource protection, and park improvements. The cost of the bonds, assuming a 5% interest rate, would be approximately $10.5 billion (principal and interest). Payments would be made from the General Fund over a period of thirty years. Of the $5.388 billion in bond funds, 28% would go toward water quality; 17% toward the protection of rivers, lakes and streams; 15% toward flood control; 11% toward sustainable communities and climate change reduction; 10% toward the protection of beaches, bays, and coastal waters; 9% toward parks and natural education facilities; 8% toward forest and wildlife conservation; and 2% toward statewide water planning. Opponents include Lewis K. Uhler, the founder and president of the National Tax Limitation Committee, who was also a major proponent of Prop 75, which sought to limit the ability of labor unions to spend dues on political activity. Opponents argue, unconvincingly, that Prop 84 would raise taxes and that there will be little public oversight. Other opponents include Bill Leonard with the California State Board of Equalization, and Ron Nehring, a consultant with Americans for Tax Reform. Proponents argue that environmental protection and improved water quality efforts are much needed and of vital public interest. They also argue that the measure will not raise taxes and that strict accountability provisions are built into the initiative. Supporters include Clean Water Action, the Nature Conservancy, the Santa Clara Valley Water District, the Ocean Conservancy, the League of Women Voters, and scores of other grassroots groups. (Please see http://www.cleanwater2006.com/ for additional endorsers, and further information). The protection of our state's natural resources is of critical importance, and Prop 84 will fund much needed water improvement and environmental preservation efforts. Additionally, our reading of the Proposition's text suggests that there would be appropriate public oversight, contrary to what opponents claim. Greens therefore urge a Yes vote on Prop 84 85 -- No -- Waiting Period and Parental Notification Before Termination of Minor's Pregnancy. Initiative Constitutional Amendment. Proposition 85 mandates that a physician notify a minor?s parents or guardian forty-eight hours before performing an abortion, except in medical emergency, or by parental waiver or waiver of the court. Proposition 85 would mandate the physician performing the abortion to comply with reporting requirements to the government and impose monetary damages against physicians for failing to comply with the above referenced notification and/or reporting requirements. Proposition 85 is virtually identical to last year's Proposition 73, which was defeated, and which the state Green Party opposed. (The difference being that abortion is no longer defined in the proposition's text as causing the "death of the unborn child"). Argument Against Proposition 85 Proposition 85 undermines the confidentiality of the patient / physician relationship, and gives the government access to this private information. Proposition 85 undermines a woman?s right to choose. There is no substitute for good family communication, and our government is overstepping it?s bounds by mandating this confidential communication between a parent and a child, which could irreparably damage personal relationships and lead to the persecution of daughters for their mistakes and/or personal choices. This is a patient/physician matter, and should be treated in this way. Opponents of Proposition 85 include Planned Parenthood, the National Organization for Women (NOW), the California Medical Association (CMA), the California Nurses Association (CNA), the League of Women Voters, and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). The Green Party should renew its opposition to this punitive proposal by endorsing a "No" vote on Proposition 85. 86 -- Yes -- Tax on Cigarettes. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute. This proposition will impose a $2.60 excise tax on each pack of cigarettes and indirectly increases tax on other tobacco products. It will provide funding for various health programs, children?s health care coverage and tobacco-related programs. The current state law imposes excise taxes on cigarettes of a total of 87 cents per pack. Those taxes provide 50 cents to support childhood development program from Prop 10 in 1998 and 25 cents to support tobacco education and prevention as well as health care for low-income uninsured persons, environmental protection and recreational programs from Prop 99 in 1988. The taxes collected would go into a fund called the Tobacco Tax of 2006 Trust Fund. Some monies would provide back fill because it is expected for cigarette sales to fall and programs currently being funded by Prop 10 would need to be back filled by this tax. The Board of Equalization would determine what amount that would be. After that 52.75 percent of the remaining funds would be used to fund hospitals for their unreimbursed emergency services along with expansion of emergency services, equipment and facilities. Private hospitals and certain public hospitals including UC?s hospitals would be eligible for the funding. Hospitals that are licensed to ?other state agencies? or the federal government would not be eligible. 42.23 percent of the fund after the backfill would be used to expand health care coverage for low income residents, including immigrants (both legal and illegal) up to 300% above the federal poverty level. It would require certain agencies to simplify administrative procedures to keep children covered with health insurance. The collected taxes will provide funding for emergency services, nurse education and health insurance for eligible children. There are other specified purposes including tobacco-use prevention programs, enforcement of tobacco related laws and research and prevention treatment of various conditions including breast, cervical prostate colorectal cancers; heart disease, stroke, asthma and obesity. It will exempt certain hospitals from anti-trust laws related to emergency services, facilities and ER physicians. There is the usual unknown significant savings to state and local public health agencies over time due to the decrease in health care costs related to tobacco usage. Hospitals have seen a severe drop in the pool of available nurses. The nursing education programs at UC, CSU, Community Colleges and privately operated nursing education program would be expanded by the fund. It would support non-profit community clinics, pay back student loans to get physicians to work with low-income persons in communities with insufficient physicians. Also funding would provide prostate cancer treatment to poor and underserved communities as well as provide services to help people quit smoking. Most of the sponsors of this proposition consist of agencies that advocate or provide direct health care services to underserved children. The other members of the coalition are the American Cancer Society, American Lung Association, American Heart Association, and the California Hospital Association. The American Lung Association of California is using its lobbying group (government liaison) as the point of contact for this proposition. The part about exempting hospitals from certain antitrust laws is interpreted by the Legislative Analyst Office (LAO) as sharing certain medical services including emergency services and the sharing of on-call emergency room physicians. The LAO anticipates a decrease in cigarette sales and the possibility of an increase in internet cigarette sales and illegal smuggling. Over time, the reduction of cigarette sales due to the tobacco sales and excise tax will affect the funding of the above programs. However, the decline in tobacco related diseases would decrease the cost of health care by the state and other agencies over time. This Proposition is a good example of appropriately taxing luxuries that cause harm to the individual and society. The majority of the funds, after backfilling Proposition 10 programs, will go to direct services health care programs. Since we are not providing sufficient health care for every California resident, the taxes collected will help fill in some of the gap. The Legislative Analyst Office noted that the ?experimental? program of providing health care for those 300% above the Federal Poverty Level, or less, would be carefully watched. However, the text of the Proposition provides an adequate system of checks and balances including audits, commissions with a broad range of interested parties including the communities these funds will serve. At the same time, we will need to watch how the enforcement part of the funding is spent. It should not go to any police department in California. Unfortunately though, they will get funding to enforce tobacco laws. Another ?War on Drugs? focusing on tobacco could therefore theoretically be part of our future. Another part that we need to be cautious about is the percentage that is going to the General Fund. I?d prefer to call it a slush fund, but Proposition 13 has placed unbelievable constraints on the budget process: Hence the need for a ?slush fund.? And until we can elect a Green as Governor, we'll have to accept the fact that undoubtedly some of that spending will be against our interests. We can expect to hear that this proposition will increase gang violence and that sales will targeted to African American and under-served Californians. The logic in that argument is specious. Since the price of a pack of cigarettes is going up by $2.60, many in those communities will not be able to afford to smoke. In fact, the proponents state that 700,000 Californians who are currently children will not become adult smokers because of the almost doubling in the cost of cigarettes. Yes, there will be some rise in cigarette smuggling and illegal Internet sales, but the ?smoke screen? RJ Reynolds and other business political action committees are putting up is greatly exaggerated. Plus, more money for programs to help smokers quit will be available. Passage of this initiative will mean that hundreds of thousands of lives will be saved. Vote YES for Proposition 86. 87 -- Yes -- Alternative Energy. Research, Production, Incentives. Tax on California Oil Producers. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute. Establishes $4 billion program to reduce petroleum consumption though incentives for alternative energy, education and training with the goal of reducing dependence on oil by 25%. Funded by tax of 1% to 6% depending on the price of oil on California oil producers, which by law cannot be passed on to the consumer. Program administered by new California Energy Alternatives Program Authority. New State revenue from $225 million to $448 million annually for a total of up to $4 billion. The bill forms the California Energy Alternatives Program Authority, a nine-member board which includes the Secretary of the EPA, the Chair of the State Energy Resource Conservation and Development Commission, the Treasurer (assuming the State Treasurer), two members appointed by the Governor, one appointment by the Controller, one appointed by the Speaker of the Assembly, one appointed by the Senate Rules Committee, and one appointed by the Attorney General. The commission will be able to hire an unidentified amount of employees. The funds will be dispersed as follows: 57.5% to the gasoline and diesel use reduction account, 26.75% to the Research and Innovation Acceleration account, 9.75% to the Commercialization Acceleration Account, 2.5% to the Vocational Training Account, and 3.5% to the Public Education and Administration Account. Fuels considered ?alternative? are fuel blends consisting of at least 85% ethanol, or a fuel blend consisting of at least 20% bio-diesel. Based on current market realities, it would have been nicer to see in the text a direction to make 100% bio-fuel accessible at every pumping station, a diesel to bio-diesel car converter program, and a tandem bill for incentives for car manufacturers to offer a range of new cars explicitly for bio-diesel. We can only hope the revenue raised by this bill will be used for pointed and measurable goals that aim to eliminate oil dependency. However, Proposition 87 is something -- anything -- to help our addiction to oil and raise needed revenue for alternative fuel implementation, so although imperfect, Proposition 87 does warrant our ?YES? vote endorsement. Some of the organizations which have already endorsed Proposition 87 include Public Citizen, Gray Panthers, NRDC, Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, Union of Concerned Scientists, and the Sierra Club. For more info., please see: http://www.yeson87.org 88 -- No Position -- Education Funding. Real Property Parcel Tax. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute. Proposition 88 would enact a $50 per parcel, parcel tax (special tax) on every parcel in California. About $450 million will be raised annually for specified and very strict purposes: class-size reduction, instructional materials, school safety. The money is needed, but a state-wide parcel tax would be unprecedented, and the fixed amount, though raising significant funds now, will erode over time. (That is the nature of parcel taxes, however). Another legitimate argument against is that there is no sunset for this. While it might be acceptable (for now) for local jurisdictions such as local school districts to have the option of using parcel taxes to supplement their currently modest levels of funding, given the regressive nature of parcel taxes, we need to think carefully whether it would be wise to allow statewide parcel taxes to now come into being. After all, local jurisdictions have very limited funding options, while the state has a wide range of revenue possibilities, from very progressive, to very regressive. (For example, many Greens would like to see the top state income tax bracket be at least returned to its former $200,000 level for individuals. Our current system, whereby individuals who make a mere $40,000 are now in the top bracket, is no longer progressive for the majority of income that is earned in our state! Or, we could end the corporate change-of-ownership loophole, whereby corporations continue to reap huge Prop. 13 tax savings, with their property never re-assessed, even if their corporate stock changes owners every single year!). Prop. 88 is a tough one -- public education certainly needs the money, but would enacting California's first statewide parcel tax open the door to further regressive new taxes (whether they be additional statewide parcel taxes, or whatever?). Unfortunately, we're not able to resolve this either way, right now. (That is, it looks like we're going to have to "delegate" further research and analysis on this one to our county Green Party chapters). 89 -- Yes -- Political Campaigns. Public Financing. Corporate Tax Increase. Campaign Contribution and Expenditure Limits. Initiative Statute. YES ON PROP 89 ? Public Financing of Political Campaigns Public financing of political campaigns has long been a Green strategy to bring greater democracy to our corporate-ruled state. Arizona and Maine already have successful public financing programs in place. Assemblywoman Loni Hancock introduced bills for public campaign financing into the CA legislature in 2004 and 2005. Greens at first objected to the bills? funding limits on third parties, but later negotiated improvements and finally endorsed AB 583. AB 583 failed in the Senate earlier this year, but the California Nurses Association picked up the ball with a state-wide signature campaign, and succeeded in getting it on the November 2006 ballot as Prop 89. It has already gathered significant support from around the state, including the League of Women Voters, Common Cause, the Greenlining Institute, and (even) Phil Angelides. It is opposed by the CA Chamber of Commerce and the Governor. How does Prop 89 work? Full public funding for campaign expenses goes to qualifying candidates whose parties won more than 10% in the last state-wide election. Qualified Green candidates (and others) can get partial funding, and would become ?major? candidates with full funding once their party wins 10% of the vote state-wide or in any state office district. To qualify for public funds, one needs to forgo private donations, report all campaign expenditures, and gather a number of individual $5 contributions to prove the candidate?s political ?viability?. If a publicly-funded candidate is running against someone taking private donations, that candidate is eligible for additional funding to match the expenditures of the privately-funded opponent. There are severe restrictions on corporate donations to any campaign, even to ballot measures. And the cost of financing the campaigns would be underwritten by a 0.2% increase in the state corporate tax rate. It sounds great, but we understand that some Greens still have doubts. While Prop 89 uses much of AB 583's language, there have been some significant changes, particularly in the way small parties are funded. The bad news is that third party funding percentages have been cut in half from AB 583 levels. The good news, though, is that Prop 89 makes it somewhat easier to qualify for that partial funding than was possible under Loni's bill. And the really great news is that with a little hard work and grassroots organizing, Greens can become major players with funding equal to the Dems and Republicans, in two to four short years once Prop 89 becomes law. Here are the details: A major party candidate qualifies for public funding in part by gathering a certain number of $5 contributions from individuals, to prove a strong base of acceptance among the population. For example, an Assembly candidate needs 750 $5 contributions from the District to get $400,000 in campaign funds; for Senate, it is 1,500 contributions for $800,000; for state-wide office other than Governor, 7,500 contributions for $2,000,000; and for Governor, 25,000 contributions for $15,000,000. A minor party (or independent) candidate can qualify for 25% of full major-party funding by gathering 50% of the required contributions (this is a new ?weak candidate? provision). And the same minor party candidate can qualify for 50% of full funding by gathering 200% of the required contributions (this is less funding than in AB 583). Thus, for example, if a Green wanted to run for a District Assembly seat, under Prop 89 rules he or she would need to get an easy 325 $5 contributions from residents of the District to qualify for $100,000, and then he or she would run against the Democrat and/or Republican's $400,000. And if our Green were really ambitious, he or she could collect 1,500 $5 contributions and get $200,000. Could we win with $200,000? Well, when has a CA Green ever had $200,000 to spend on an electoral campaign? So maybe we could. But in any case, we would stand an excellent chance of getting more than the 10% of votes required to insure that when we ran again two years later, we would have the same $400,000 as the Democrat and/or Republican would ? a level financial playing field at last! (Remember, our 1998 Lt. Governor candidate, Sara Amir, received 10% of the vote for state assembly in 2000 with far less than $100,000 of funding. If Prop. 89 had been in place at that time, she could have then been able to run in 2002 with a full $400,000 campaign fund!). There are many other scenarios that would work for Greens under Prop 89. Laura Wells got 6% of the statewide vote for Controller in 2002 with practically no funding; do we think she could reach 10% using the $1 million available to an ambitious small party candidate? And if Peter Camejo got 10% of the gubernatorial vote, under Prop 89 rules ALL Green candidates would then qualify for full funding in all the state races of the subsequent election. (In other words, we would become a major party, exactly equal to the Democrats and Republicans, in the eyes of Prop. 89). To be sure, money is not everything, but it does play its part in elections. So let's not focus on what Prop 89 does not do for Greens. Given the advantages to Democracy in general of public campaign financing, given that the disadvantages to Greens are not excessive and can be overcome with hard work, and given that the odds of winning 10% of the votes with partial public funding would almost certainly make some Greens fully-funded ("major party") candidates in subsequent years, the Green Party should enthusiastically endorse Prop 89 and recommend a YES vote on the November ballot. More info: Full text: http://www.caag.state.ca.us/initiatives/pdf/SA2006RF0015_Amdt_2_S.pdf CNA website: www.CleanMoneyElections.org Discussion: http://www.californiaprogressrepor t.com/2006/07/a_load_of_hooey.html 90 -- No -- Government Acquisition, Regulation of Private Property. Initiative Constitutional Amendment. The California constitution states that private property may be taken for PUBLIC USE only when justly compensated ..... . In practice this has gradually changed to PUBLIC PURPOSE which has permitted eminent domain abuse. If Prop 90 was a well-designed reform of eminent domain we might want to support it, however it goes too far. It has numerous far-reaching provisions that could harm, not protect, communities and might limit government's ability to enact new legislation in various areas. It could potentially be very expensive for California taxpayers. This measure amends the California Constitution to: - Limit government authority to take ownership of private property. - Require government to pay property owners for substantial economic losses resulting from some new laws and rules. All EXISTING laws and rules would be exempt from the measure's compensation requirement. However, NEW laws and rules would be exempt from this requirement only if government enacted them (1) to protect public health and safety, (2) under a declared state of emergency, or (3) as part of rate regulation by the California Public Utilities Commission. The terms of the measure aren't clear, but the broad language of the measure suggests that its new severe provisions could apply to a variety of future governmental requirements that impose economic losses on property owners. These laws and rules could include requirements relating, for example, to employment conditions, apartment prices, endangered species, historical preservation, and consumer financial protection. This measure's provisions regarding economic losses could have a major effect on future state and local government policymaking and costs. State and local governments might modify their policymaking practices to try to avoid the costs of compensating property owners for losses. The opponents of Prop 90 say that it "could require Billions of dollars in new taxpayer costs each year, if communities and the state continue to pass or enforce basic laws to protect neighborhoods, limit unwanted development, protect the environment, restrict unsavory business and protect consumers." Follow The Money ---- Support - is funded by Protect Our Homes Coalition which gets almost all of it's money from The Fund For Democracy ($1,500,000 as of 5/06) a New York Committee funded by a wealthy New Yorker named Howie Rich or from Montanans In Action ($600,000), also a Howie rich funded committee.. Opponents - $ comes from two committees. 1) NO ON 90, Californians Against The Taxpayers Trap ($355,411 as of 6/30/06) - a committee of taxpayers, educators, business, environmentalists, local governments and public safety. 2) Conservations Taxpayer Protection ($35,525 as of 6/30/06) - a committee of the California League of Conservation voters. In sum, Prop. 90 will put local, regional, and state government at the mercy of private (and corporate) landowners, who will be able to sue for just about every conceivable possible loss of value to their property. If Prop. 90 passes, the public interest, which has been struggling for decades, will suffer one of its greatest defeats yet. The Green Party should strongly oppose Prop. 90. (Note: A list of other organizations that are already opposed to Prop. 90 follows). Who Opposes Proposition 90 Environmental Groups The Nature Conservancy California League of Conservation Voters Audubon California Bay Area Alliance for Sustainable Communities National Wildlife Federation Natural Resources Defense Council The Ocean Conservancy Sierra Club California California State Parks Foundation Defenders of Wildlife Environmental Defense California Oak Foundation Planning and Conservation League Greenbelt Alliance Endangered Habitats League California Council of Land Trusts Public Safety Groups California Police Chiefs Association California Fire Chiefs Association Education Groups California School Boards Association Coalition for Adequate School Housing (C.A.S.H.) Small School Districts' Association Agriculture Groups American Farmland Trust Business/Economic Interest Groups California Association for Local Economic Development Homeowner/Housing Groups League of California Homeowners California Housing Consortium California Housing Partnership Corporation Golden State Manufactured-Home Owners League Orange County Community Housing Corporation San Francisco Tenants Union Oakland Tenants Union Santa Monicans for Renters' Rights Consumer/Public Interest Groups League of Women Voters of California Public Advocates, Inc. 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From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Aug 12 13:46:08 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:46:08 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Right: Authoritarianism and "social dominance" Message-ID: <44DE3E10.6000605@earthlink.net> I found this article quit interesting: "The Authoritarianism of Right-Wing Radio" http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0811-36.htm The writer has read a recent book by John Dean (the Watergate John Dean), titled "Conservatives Without Conscience". Apparently John Dean talks about modern "conservatives" in terms of authoritarianism and "social dominance orientation". For those who are familiar with George Lakoff, some of this will be old, but some will be new. Third paragraph: According to Dean, authoritarians see the world as a competition in which the strong and righteous prevail and prosper; failure is tantamount to weakness or unworthiness. These authoritarians believe the world is dangerous and threatening, and the best way to fight "evil" is through force. Social dominators, on the other hand, scoff at notions of equality and will move forward with little conscience or restraint. They don't believe much in right or wrong - it's more about what they can get away with. (If that seems harsh, notes Dean, this is not his view - it's how these people describe themselves when they undertake personality tests.) I would like to understand this better, to see if it gives me any new ideas about how to fight the right. Maybe I'll get the book. But off hand, it seems that these guys can not be reasoned with. (Cameron was right in his earlier email about how mathematical arguments won't work, and we are in a dark age.) Comments? Gerry From baalavi at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 15:03:43 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Bikers In-Reply-To: <44DE2647.6080405@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <20060812220343.28278.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, This was [not bilke commute friendly ] in Chronicle of Aug 5: " TED LOEWENBERG San Francisco --------------------------------- Bicycle commuting is a dead horse Editor -- Your frequent advocacy for bicycle commuting has made me rethink the idea. An experienced rider can probably maintain 20 mph for a reasonable distance in bike clothing. A commuter, dressed for work, would be hard pressed, especially in traffic and with crowded bike lanes. When I rode 8 miles to my dental office on a good bike path, on a warm day, it usually required about 25 minutes of riding, and 30 minutes of drip dry, as there was no shower available. Schlepping a change of clothes back and forth is not a viable solution. For most people, this is ridiculous, and to keep suggesting such a method as reasonable is to continue beating a very dead horse. Get real. Society requires subsidized transit for all in the Bay Area. " I guess the "5 letters" were in response to this. Since about the beginning of the year, I have been commuting with a bicycle. I think it has been tremendously helpful in my case. My commute is about 15 miles, one way. But some of the items noted in the letter as problems of commuting with a bicyle, seem reasonable to me. I just didn't like the tone of that letter. To be specific, I think 20 MPH for a bike is way too fast in most city streets. I feel I'd be going dangerously fast when I go over 12-15 MPH. But that may be my problem. Oh yes, sweating is a problem, but if I ride Light Rail for part of that commute, I hardly break a sweat. Proper clothing is completely a different area by itself. We as a society have invested over 100 years to develop "automobile traffic friendly" system and roads. If we invest a fraction of that into a "bicyle friendly" system, we -- that's all of us, will do a lot better. ba Fred Duperrault wrote: Gerry, Tian, Cameron, Drew, Dana and other Green bikers - OR BIKERS TO BE, There are five "Letters to the Editor," in today's (Aug 12) SF Chronicle, under "A happy gaggle of bike commuters," that you might be interested in. Either get it on line or pick up a Chronicle today. The letters are on the "Opinion" page, Section B, Page 4. Fred D. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1?/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 17:33:06 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Bikers In-Reply-To: <20060812220343.28278.qmail@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060813003306.33563.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Unlike the author of that particular letter, I don't see it as a choice of either/or. In other words, yes we need to improve our transit system, and yes we need to improve our cycling system. The cycling part costs a mere pittance compared to the money spent on autos and gets a very large 'bang for the buck'. I still think about how in the Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition we were fighting for the state and county folks just to fullfill what they'd committed to (required by law actually) to build up the cycling path beside 85 and how the squirreled out of it as unfortunately happens so frequently. Damn we would have done well to turn to the Green Party to get some political muscle behind it. Still could. The cycling community and SVBC could be another source of Green Party recruits, especially if we can actually get some changes effected. A Million Votes for Peace, Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > Hi All, This was [not bilke commute friendly ] in Chronicle of Aug 5: > > " > TED LOEWENBERG San Francisco > > --------------------------------- > Bicycle commuting is a dead horse > Editor -- Your frequent advocacy for bicycle commuting has made me > rethink the idea. An experienced rider can probably maintain 20 mph > for a reasonable distance in bike clothing. A commuter, dressed for > work, would be hard pressed, especially in traffic and with crowded > bike lanes. When I rode 8 miles to my dental office on a good bike > path, on a warm day, it usually required about 25 minutes of riding, > and 30 minutes of drip dry, as there was no shower available. > Schlepping a change of clothes back and forth is not a viable > solution. For most people, this is ridiculous, and to keep > suggesting such a method as reasonable is to continue beating a very > dead horse. Get real. Society requires subsidized transit for all in > the Bay Area. " > > I guess the "5 letters" were in response to this. Since about the > beginning of the year, I have been commuting with a bicycle. I think > it has been tremendously helpful in my case. My commute is about 15 > miles, one way. But some of the items noted in the letter as > problems of commuting with a bicyle, seem reasonable to me. I just > didn't like the tone of that letter. To be specific, I think 20 MPH > for a bike is way too fast in most city streets. I feel I'd be going > dangerously fast when I go over 12-15 MPH. But that may be my > problem. Oh yes, sweating is a problem, but if I ride Light Rail for > part of that commute, I hardly break a sweat. Proper clothing is > completely a different area by itself. > > We as a society have invested over 100 years to develop "automobile > traffic friendly" system and roads. If we invest a fraction of that > into a "bicyle friendly" system, we -- that's all of us, will do a > lot better. > > ba > > > Fred Duperrault wrote: > Gerry, Tian, Cameron, Drew, Dana and other Green bikers - OR BIKERS > TO > BE, There are five "Letters to the Editor," in today's (Aug 12) SF > Chronicle, under "A happy gaggle of bike commuters," that you might > be > interested in. Either get it on line or pick up a Chronicle today. > The > letters are on the "Opinion" page, Section B, Page 4. > > Fred D. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1?/min.> _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Sat Aug 12 18:07:39 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FWD: BAREC: Important Update, please read: August 9, 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060813003306.33563.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060813010739.16763.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> From: info at savebarec.org Subject: BAREC: Important Update, please read: August 9, 2006 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:10:01 -0700 BAREC Friends (new and old): Much has happened in the past two weeks, so I wanted to give you an update. There is a lot of information in this note as I want to keep the number of emails we send out to you at a minimum. One of the most amazing things about being involved with BAREC over these past three and a half years is still meeting people at the Santa Clara Farmers' Market on Saturdays and learning most of the people I meet do not even know about this property. I am completely puzzled that the existence of 17 acres of prime farmland, public land, right here in a city of 100,000 people is unknown to the majority of its citizens and they have no idea it is at risk of being sold for housing. The City is not keeping its citizens informed. Every Santa Claran should call the Mayor's office and demand to have a public study session. It's easy to do, just call: 888-BAREC-80 and press 1. You will be directly connected to the Mayor's office. Here's what's happening: 1. Recirculated Draft Environmental Impact Report The City of Santa Clara has re-released part of the Draft Environmental Impact Report (DEIR). The public comment period is now open and will close September 8th. We will be sending out a separate email in a couple of weeks with instructions on the simple things you can do to comment on this document. We have not completely digested the new 500+ page document, but we have read that is has not acknowledged that the land can sustainably remain an agricultural open space. The State's consultants say it is "not economically feasible to farm" and now states none of the project goals will be met if it is kept agricultural zoned. Well, of course the housing development goals will not be met. They are also claiming the financial benefits will not be met for the State. The State's obligation is to serve the public. Money is not always the best way to serve the public and an agricultural solution is something that will generate money for the State (e.g., new jobs, better urban farming practices, local food production, reduced energy, sustainable research, etc.). We do not know where the State's consultants are getting their information. We have shown a number of local examples which allow for financially sustainable educational urban farming. See item two for more details and a link to the 11 minute video. We will need your support in the near future when public hearings take place and will keep you posted. Any Traffic Engineering or Economist experts are requested to get involved to give substantive comment on the DEIR. 2. Friends of BAREC present the benefits of Educational Urban Farms to the City Council Linda Perrine presented a very clear and comprehensive picture about how agricultural land can be used in the City of Santa Clara. She showed how agriculture land is serving other communities in California while not costing the cities any money. In fact...it actually generates income. Click here to view the video. You will want to download the slides to follow along as the video is a bit blurry. The City Council listened to the presentation, but Mayor Mahan did not let anyone from the public speak. Click here to listen to her directive at the beginning of the meeting. When a Santa Clara citizen (not part of our group) went to comment, the Mayor shut off the microphone and called a recess. Click here to briefly see her actions. Click here to see the letter we sent the City Clerk and City Attorney asking if it was even legal for the Mayor to do this. The City Attorney's office has not responded as of 8/10/06. 3. The web site has the latest City Council meeting videos posted on it A new web page has been created that puts most of the relevant past City Council meetings on one page. Click here to see it. It gives a brief summary of each meeting's contents and then provides a link for you to view the video segments. It is an easy way to see how Council members feel and what has been presented publicly. 4. The City sent out letters stating weed abatement will be done on the BAREC land Friday, August 11th Click here to see a copy. Only a few neighbors received this notice. During this process there is a risk that toxic materials in the soil may become airborne into neighbor's yards and homes. We'll see how safe the State is being with the community. If you live in the area, I would suggest you stay away from your house on Friday as toxins, dust, or other foreign material may be in the air during their weed control activity. We wrote the DTSC, the City of Santa Clara, and the City of San Jose to try to stop the proposed method and use a safer, more effective method. One of our members has a water based patented technology that we suggested as one possible alternative and he has offered his services in kind to abate this land (no cost to the citizens or the State). He is doing this at Ulistac this weekend. The State has not approached him for this nor have they stated they are looking at other means for typical weed abatement. You can look him up under Cameron Colson or HMO - Hydro Mechanical Obliteration. 5. Referendum Required as a Last Resort We want to make everyone aware of this fact. As many of you already know, this is a last resort. If the City of Santa Clara and the City Council continues down the current path of approving this development application and change the zoning from Agriculture to Residential, they (the City Council) will force the citizens to go through the referendum process. This process allows the people to decide on an issue with a vote if they feel the City Council made a wrong decision (e.g., changing the zoning from Agriculture to Residential). This will cost the people money, but it will also cost the City of Santa Clara money. The SaveBAREC petition you all have signed is our good will effort to show the City Council we can get the needed signatures on a real petition and force them to place this issue on a ballot. Do we want to do this? No. Will we? Yes, because the alternative means current and future generations will never be able to fight this battle or use that land...ever. So, if someone comes to your door or you see someone outside your supermarket talking about BAREC, please sign the petition. We will have only 30 days to get the needed signatures from residents once the City Council makes a zoning change. If you are a Santa Clara resident and want to help, please reply to this email. We will probably need your service in the October timeframe. Even if you are not a Santa Clara resident, we still will need your help. Please continue to spread the word as well. 6. Upcoming City Staff and City Council Meetings We need you to be available for the next City Staff and City Council meetings. It will be in a couple of months. Public comment needs to overwhelm the City workers so they hear what the public is saying. The Council thinks the citizens are happy with this development proposal. You need to tell them otherwise. We will let you know when the next meeting is scheduled. 7. Santa Clara will elect two new council members and a new mayor this November John McLemore is the only person running for mayor who has spoken out against the current development plans, while Mayor Mahan feels the current housing development plan is a good solution. John supports our group. Visit his web site. There are other candidates running for Caserta's and Mathews' position, so ask them how they feel about developing the BAREC property and what they plan to do about it. Ask the questions they don't want to be asked, pin them down, and demand answers! We will be getting positions from the candidates in the near future as well, but don't wait for us. Something everyone involved in this effort should read is the following two sentences from the Constitution of the State of California. Read it and know you can make a difference. Don't just say,"Of course it is going to be developed." This is State land...public land. Keep public land public! You can make a difference. ?All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their protection, security, and benefit, and they have the right to alter or reform it when the public good may require.? Constitution of the State of California: Article 1, Section 2 Hope to see you all at the Santa Clara Farmers' Market on Saturdays from 9am-1pm. And as a reminder, our non-profit sponsor has Federal non-profit status and is a 501(c)(3) charity. You can donate to them and get a documented tax deduction. We really need your help. -Kirk kirk at savebarec.org www.savebarec.org 888-BAREC-80 JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tnharter at ispwest.com Sat Aug 12 22:30:22 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:30:22 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Bikers In-Reply-To: <20060813003306.33563.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060813003306.33563.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44DEB8EE.5030704@ispwest.com> If you go to the SVBC meetings you will find people that like what we are doing and don't really mind being fellow travelers. Some of them (at least one I've seen) even wear Green Party T shirts to the meeting. They see their work as advocacy more than change, so they won't be running against us soon. JamBoi wrote: >Unlike the author of that particular letter, I don't see it as a choice >of either/or. In other words, yes we need to improve our transit >system, and yes we need to improve our cycling system. The cycling >part costs a mere pittance compared to the money spent on autos and >gets a very large 'bang for the buck'. I still think about how in the >Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition we were fighting for the state and >county folks just to fullfill what they'd committed to (required by law >actually) to build up the cycling path beside 85 and how the squirreled >out of it as unfortunately happens so frequently. Damn we would have >done well to turn to the Green Party to get some political muscle >behind it. Still could. The cycling community and SVBC could be >another source of Green Party recruits, especially if we can actually >get some changes effected. > >A Million Votes for Peace, > >Drew > >--- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > >>Hi All, This was [not bilke commute friendly ] in Chronicle of Aug 5: >> >> " >> TED LOEWENBERG San Francisco >> >>--------------------------------- >> Bicycle commuting is a dead horse >> Editor -- Your frequent advocacy for bicycle commuting has made me >>rethink the idea. An experienced rider can probably maintain 20 mph >>for a reasonable distance in bike clothing. A commuter, dressed for >>work, would be hard pressed, especially in traffic and with crowded >>bike lanes. When I rode 8 miles to my dental office on a good bike >>path, on a warm day, it usually required about 25 minutes of riding, >>and 30 minutes of drip dry, as there was no shower available. >>Schlepping a change of clothes back and forth is not a viable >>solution. For most people, this is ridiculous, and to keep >>suggesting such a method as reasonable is to continue beating a very >>dead horse. Get real. Society requires subsidized transit for all in >>the Bay Area. " >> >> I guess the "5 letters" were in response to this. Since about the >>beginning of the year, I have been commuting with a bicycle. I think >>it has been tremendously helpful in my case. My commute is about 15 >>miles, one way. But some of the items noted in the letter as >>problems of commuting with a bicyle, seem reasonable to me. I just >>didn't like the tone of that letter. To be specific, I think 20 MPH >>for a bike is way too fast in most city streets. I feel I'd be going >>dangerously fast when I go over 12-15 MPH. But that may be my >>problem. Oh yes, sweating is a problem, but if I ride Light Rail for >>part of that commute, I hardly break a sweat. Proper clothing is >>completely a different area by itself. >> >> We as a society have invested over 100 years to develop "automobile >>traffic friendly" system and roads. If we invest a fraction of that >>into a "bicyle friendly" system, we -- that's all of us, will do a >>lot better. >> >> ba >> >> >>Fred Duperrault wrote: >> Gerry, Tian, Cameron, Drew, Dana and other Green bikers - OR BIKERS >>TO >>BE, There are five "Letters to the Editor," in today's (Aug 12) SF >>Chronicle, under "A happy gaggle of bike commuters," that you might >>be >>interested in. Either get it on line or pick up a Chronicle today. >>The >>letters are on the "Opinion" page, Section B, Page 4. >> >> -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added Zero One San Jose Pictures! From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 09:03:30 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Bikers In-Reply-To: <44DEB8EE.5030704@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <20060814160330.21778.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> My point is that we could foster closer ties to SVBC http://www.svbcbikes.org/ and have some mutual support happening. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- Tian Harter wrote: > If you go to the SVBC meetings you will find people that like what > we are doing and don't really mind being fellow travelers. Some > of them (at least one I've seen) even wear Green Party T shirts to > the meeting. They see their work as advocacy more than change, > so they won't be running against us soon. > > JamBoi wrote: > > >Unlike the author of that particular letter, I don't see it as a > choice > >of either/or. In other words, yes we need to improve our transit > >system, and yes we need to improve our cycling system. The cycling > >part costs a mere pittance compared to the money spent on autos and > >gets a very large 'bang for the buck'. I still think about how in > the > >Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition we were fighting for the state and > >county folks just to fullfill what they'd committed to (required by > law > >actually) to build up the cycling path beside 85 and how the > squirreled > >out of it as unfortunately happens so frequently. Damn we would > have > >done well to turn to the Green Party to get some political muscle > >behind it. Still could. The cycling community and SVBC could be > >another source of Green Party recruits, especially if we can > actually > >get some changes effected. > > > >A Million Votes for Peace, > > > >Drew > > > >--- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi All, This was [not bilke commute friendly ] in Chronicle of Aug > 5: > >> > >> " > >> TED LOEWENBERG San Francisco > >> > >>--------------------------------- > >> Bicycle commuting is a dead horse > >> Editor -- Your frequent advocacy for bicycle commuting has made > me > >>rethink the idea. An experienced rider can probably maintain 20 mph > >>for a reasonable distance in bike clothing. A commuter, dressed for > >>work, would be hard pressed, especially in traffic and with crowded > >>bike lanes. When I rode 8 miles to my dental office on a good > bike > >>path, on a warm day, it usually required about 25 minutes of > riding, > >>and 30 minutes of drip dry, as there was no shower available. > >>Schlepping a change of clothes back and forth is not a viable > >>solution. For most people, this is ridiculous, and to keep > >>suggesting such a method as reasonable is to continue beating a > very > >>dead horse. Get real. Society requires subsidized transit for all > in > >>the Bay Area. " > >> > >> I guess the "5 letters" were in response to this. Since about > the > >>beginning of the year, I have been commuting with a bicycle. I > think > >>it has been tremendously helpful in my case. My commute is about > 15 > >>miles, one way. But some of the items noted in the letter as > >>problems of commuting with a bicyle, seem reasonable to me. I just > >>didn't like the tone of that letter. To be specific, I think 20 > MPH > >>for a bike is way too fast in most city streets. I feel I'd be > going > >>dangerously fast when I go over 12-15 MPH. But that may be my > >>problem. Oh yes, sweating is a problem, but if I ride Light Rail > for > >>part of that commute, I hardly break a sweat. Proper clothing is > >>completely a different area by itself. > >> > >> We as a society have invested over 100 years to develop > "automobile > >>traffic friendly" system and roads. If we invest a fraction of > that > >>into a "bicyle friendly" system, we -- that's all of us, will do a > >>lot better. > >> > >> ba > >> > >> > >>Fred Duperrault wrote: > >> Gerry, Tian, Cameron, Drew, Dana and other Green bikers - OR > BIKERS > >>TO > >>BE, There are five "Letters to the Editor," in today's (Aug 12) SF > >>Chronicle, under "A happy gaggle of bike commuters," that you might > >>be > >>interested in. Either get it on line or pick up a Chronicle today. > >>The > >>letters are on the "Opinion" page, Section B, Page 4. > >> > >> > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > Latest change: Added Zero One San Jose Pictures! > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 09:13:37 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FWD: Clean Money Aug. 19, 20; also Aug 26, 27 Message-ID: <20060814161337.63222.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> I think this is from the local Clean Money Working Group (by way of the local DFA mailing list). I believe Clean Money along with Public financing of elections and Fraud-free voting is one of the most important things we can do to 'spread democracy' and Free and Fair Elections to the U.S.of A. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew From: "Nancy Neff" Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:52:12 -0700 Subject: [sv4dean] Clean Money Aug. 19, 20; also Aug 26, 27 Hi all, 1.) Volunteers are needed for a brief flurry of leafleting at the END of these Ira Ruskin Town Hall meetings: Saturday, August 19, 10-11:30 a.m., Menlo Park Sunday, August 20, 1:00-2:30 p.m., Palo Alto On August 20 we also want to collect names of potential volunteers, as Clean Money is the topic of the meeting! People should be leaving the meeting ready to volunteer. Please bring a clipboard or two if you have them, with pen attached. NOTE: Ira Ruskin requests no leafleting prior to the meeting because it is an official state function and he should not appear to be lobbying for Prop 89. Contact person for this event is Ira Fischer, irafischer at msn.com. Full details at bottom. 2.) PALO ALTO FESTIVAL OF THE ARTS: University Avenue (at High/Ramona) August 26 and 27, 10am-6pm Volunteers needed for all (2 hour) shifts. If you are new to tabling, tell me to pair you with me or someone else experienced. I can be there for any shift to pair with new people. Schedule is on this web page: http://hengstrom.net/PAAWF.html 3.) Want to do something for Clean Money today? You can: -write to Angelides (info at Angelides.com); thank him for supporting Prop 89 -write a letter to the editor about Prop 89 -make copies of the attached flyers for Aug. 26 4.) Next Palo Alto Area Working Group meeting: Tuesday, August 22, 7:00pm, introductory video at 6:45 Unitarian Universalist Church 505 E. Charleston Palo Alto 5.) Attached (and copied below) is Trent's paragraph containing all our key phrases, in a .doc. See you soon! Nancy 858-2436 Ira Ruskin Town Hall Meeting details: August 19, 10 to 11:30 a.m. Menlo Park City Council Chambers 701 Laurel St Menlo Park August 19, 1-2:30 p.m. Los Gatos Town Council Chambers 110 E. Main St. Los Gatos (Craig will ask South Bay volunteers for this one) August 20th, 1-2:30pm Palo Alto City Council Chambers First Floor ? Palo Alto Government Center 250 Hamilton Ave. Palo Alto, CA 94301 Topic: Campaign reform and AB 583, the California Clean Money and Fair Elections Act of 2006. Trent's paragraph full of key phrases: Vote Yes on Proposition 89, the California Clean Money and Fair Elections Act, to end the crisis of corruption in California and make politicians accountable to voters instead of big money donors. It will level the playing field so that new people with good ideas have a chance to win, even if they're not rich or well-connected to wealthy special interest groups and lobbyists. Political campaigns need public financing and contribution limits so that elections are decided by ideas, not by money. Vote Yes on Prop 89. JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Mon Aug 14 10:01:16 2006 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:01:16 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Bikers Message-ID: I had a 14-mile commute, Berryessa to west Sunnyvale, and a 9-mile commute, Berryessa to north Santa Clara. Dressed for cycling, with clipless pedals, touring frame, racing tires. Working hard, I could do those runs at 17 or 18 miles per hour, including traffic stops. Barely pedaling and coasting a lot, 13 miles per hour. Twenty miles per hour is pretty fast on a bicycle and I'd be rather surprised if a commuter could do it, especially on the upright fat-tire mountain-hybrid bikes most people use for commuting. I rode down highway 9 from skyline into Los Gatos once and may have hit 40 mph along the way. Nearly melted my brakes. Scary as hell. Cameron From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 14 12:22:11 2006 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:22:11 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] minutes of 8-4-2006 Message-ID: <44E0CD63.6060109@sbcglobal.net> I had posted the minutes a week ago but do not find them in my email boxes. Neither sent nor received. Thus, I post them again. Green Party of Santa Clara County Minutes of Monthly Meeting of Thursday August 3, 2006 Attendance 10. There were also 3 people who left before the meeting began. The meeting itself had to move to an improvised nearby location. Drew Johnson reported on the national meeting in Tucson. His(?) presentations on nonviolent communications went well. Discussion of picnic led to setting a formal starting time of 12 noon. Cameron and Warner to arrive early and secure picnic tables. Lists of registered Greens were handed out. Phone calls to be made. Use script if needed. Four persons indicated they would attend the September plenary: Cameron, Warner, Drew,and Jim Stauffer. The agenda packet is not yet ready. Those four will hold a meeting to help develop our position on the proposals. They will announce the when and where of the meeting. Discussion of Ballot Initiatives will be done on line. Fred Duperrault volunteered to be this county?s contact person for the Camejo campaign. Tabling. Tabling needs: literature both new and old, buttons $245 were pledged to fund literature, some of which was turned in at the meeting. Contact campaigns, ask for literature. Some literature could and should be for or about the candidates as well as positions on ballot initiatives. Tabling locations and dates: primarily Tapestry Arts September 2, 3, and 4; mention of San Jose State; Adobe event, if it comes to pass. Newsletter: publish electronically. At least candidates and initiatives. Depending on available funding, a printed form could be mailed. Transfer of bank account to new treasurer: Tim A. will go to Adam?s house, Gerry G. will contact the branch of the bank in his official capacity as County council member, Jim D. to contact Eric M. so that Eric can Personally sign papers for the transfer. Additional possibilities were discussed. Planning meeting report: short, main discussion was on initiating a monthly forum and combining the county council meeting with the business meeting. The picnic and the phone banking were also discussed and furthered at the planning meeting. A proposal to cosponsor events jointly with PPJC and WILPF, one in September and one in October, achieved consensus. Dana will contact those organizations and notify them. Next meeting: Cameron will come early and assure that the building will be open. Notes submitted by Jim Doyle 8-4-2006 and repeated 8-14-2006 From tnharter at ispwest.com Mon Aug 14 14:15:15 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:15:15 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Bikers In-Reply-To: <20060814160330.21778.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060814160330.21778.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44E0E7E3.2030507@ispwest.com> I agree. I show up to help when they have something going on. I'm a member. The more of us that join the better! Tian JamBoi wrote: >My point is that we could foster closer ties to SVBC >http://www.svbcbikes.org/ and have some mutual support happening. > >A Million Votes for Peace! > >Drew > >--- Tian Harter wrote: > > > >>If you go to the SVBC meetings you will find people that like what >>we are doing and don't really mind being fellow travelers. Some >>of them (at least one I've seen) even wear Green Party T shirts to >>the meeting. They see their work as advocacy more than change, >>so they won't be running against us soon. >> >>JamBoi wrote: >> >> >> >>>Unlike the author of that particular letter, I don't see it as a >>> >>> >>choice >> >> >>>of either/or. In other words, yes we need to improve our transit >>>system, and yes we need to improve our cycling system. The cycling >>>part costs a mere pittance compared to the money spent on autos and >>>gets a very large 'bang for the buck'. I still think about how in >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition we were fighting for the state and >>>county folks just to fullfill what they'd committed to (required by >>> >>> >>law >> >> >>>actually) to build up the cycling path beside 85 and how the >>> >>> >>squirreled >> >> >>>out of it as unfortunately happens so frequently. Damn we would >>> >>> >>have >> >> >>>done well to turn to the Green Party to get some political muscle >>>behind it. Still could. The cycling community and SVBC could be >>>another source of Green Party recruits, especially if we can >>> >>> >>actually >> >> >>>get some changes effected. >>> >>>A Million Votes for Peace, >>> >>>Drew >>> >>>--- Bob Alavi wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi All, This was [not bilke commute friendly ] in Chronicle of Aug >>>> >>>> >>5: >> >> >>>> >>>> " >>>> TED LOEWENBERG San Francisco >>>> >>>>--------------------------------- >>>> Bicycle commuting is a dead horse >>>> Editor -- Your frequent advocacy for bicycle commuting has made >>>> >>>> >>me >> >> >>>>rethink the idea. An experienced rider can probably maintain 20 mph >>>>for a reasonable distance in bike clothing. A commuter, dressed for >>>>work, would be hard pressed, especially in traffic and with crowded >>>>bike lanes. When I rode 8 miles to my dental office on a good >>>> >>>> >>bike >> >> >>>>path, on a warm day, it usually required about 25 minutes of >>>> >>>> >>riding, >> >> >>>>and 30 minutes of drip dry, as there was no shower available. >>>>Schlepping a change of clothes back and forth is not a viable >>>>solution. For most people, this is ridiculous, and to keep >>>>suggesting such a method as reasonable is to continue beating a >>>> >>>> >>very >> >> >>>>dead horse. Get real. Society requires subsidized transit for all >>>> >>>> >>in >> >> >>>>the Bay Area. " >>>> >>>> I guess the "5 letters" were in response to this. Since about >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>>beginning of the year, I have been commuting with a bicycle. I >>>> >>>> >>think >> >> >>>>it has been tremendously helpful in my case. My commute is about >>>> >>>> >>15 >> >> >>>>miles, one way. But some of the items noted in the letter as >>>>problems of commuting with a bicyle, seem reasonable to me. I just >>>>didn't like the tone of that letter. To be specific, I think 20 >>>> >>>> >>MPH >> >> >>>>for a bike is way too fast in most city streets. I feel I'd be >>>> >>>> >>going >> >> >>>>dangerously fast when I go over 12-15 MPH. But that may be my >>>>problem. Oh yes, sweating is a problem, but if I ride Light Rail >>>> >>>> >>for >> >> >>>>part of that commute, I hardly break a sweat. Proper clothing is >>>>completely a different area by itself. >>>> >>>> We as a society have invested over 100 years to develop >>>> >>>> >>"automobile >> >> >>>>traffic friendly" system and roads. If we invest a fraction of >>>> >>>> >>that >> >> >>>>into a "bicyle friendly" system, we -- that's all of us, will do a >>>>lot better. >>>> >>>> ba >>>> >>>> >>>>Fred Duperrault wrote: >>>> Gerry, Tian, Cameron, Drew, Dana and other Green bikers - OR >>>> >>>> >>BIKERS >> >> >>>>TO >>>>BE, There are five "Letters to the Editor," in today's (Aug 12) SF >>>>Chronicle, under "A happy gaggle of bike commuters," that you might >>>>be >>>>interested in. Either get it on line or pick up a Chronicle today. >>>>The >>>>letters are on the "Opinion" page, Section B, Page 4. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>-- >>Tian >>http://tian.greens.org >>Latest change: Added Zero One San Jose Pictures! >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> >> > > >JamBoi >Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added Zero One San Jose Pictures! I'm gathering signatures to run for City Council in Mountain View. If you are a Mountain View voter willing to sign, please let me know! From tnharter at ispwest.com Mon Aug 14 14:27:27 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:27:27 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tian needs Mountain View signatures to get on the ballot! Message-ID: <44E0EABF.70702@ispwest.com> I wasn't going to run for City Council. Greg Perry was my favorite Council member, and I expected to support him. Then Friday at the peace vigil I found out he decided not to go around again. To make a long story short, this morning I went down to city hall and filed papers saying I intend to run. The City Clerk gave me a nominating petition with 30 spaces on it, and told me I have until Wednesday to fill it and bring it in. If I can do that, I'll be on the fall ballot as a candidate for City Council. I'm still looking for good things to put on my flier. I know we need some sort of shuttle bus between Shoreline Ampetheater and the train station so that people without cars can attend events. Bathrooms at the train station would also be good. Suggestions for other issues to talk about are appreciated. What I really need right now are signatures. If you are a voter that lives in Mountain View, or know of one that is willing to sign my nominating papers, please let me know ASAP. I have to get it done by Wednesday. Please respond to this email! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added Zero One San Jose Pictures! I'm gathering signatures to run for City Council in Mountain View. If you are a Mountain View voter willing to sign, please let me know! From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 20:59:42 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Bikers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060815035943.28388.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, I agree. 20 mph is broaching racing speed and most people can't achieve, let alone sustain it for any distance. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- "Cameron L. Spitzer" wrote: > > I had a 14-mile commute, Berryessa to west Sunnyvale, > and a 9-mile commute, Berryessa to north Santa Clara. > Dressed for cycling, with clipless pedals, touring frame, > racing tires. Working hard, I could do those runs > at 17 or 18 miles per hour, including traffic stops. > Barely pedaling and coasting a lot, 13 miles per hour. > Twenty miles per hour is pretty fast on a bicycle and > I'd be rather surprised if a commuter could do it, > especially on the upright fat-tire mountain-hybrid bikes > most people use for commuting. > > I rode down highway 9 from skyline into Los Gatos once > and may have hit 40 mph along the way. Nearly melted > my brakes. Scary as hell. > > Cameron > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 21:05:13 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fostering Ties to Other Local Progressive Groups (was Re: Green Bikers) In-Reply-To: <44E0E7E3.2030507@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <20060815040513.25003.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> And not just join them but pick up their issues and offer political muscle to get their issues addressed. We can do that even when we (as individuals) may not be part of the group. At the planning meeting we talked about fostering ties with other groups and someone disdainfully said 'does that mean I have to join all these other groups??? I don't have time for that!' To which I answer, no! If we as a party ADD VALUE to the progressive community by being aware of, sensitive to and taking up the issues of the other groups we'll start 'fostering ties' with these groups and begin to draw support from them. It will be a mutual support network. SVBC is just one example of many possible examples. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- Tian Harter wrote: > I agree. I show up to help when they have something > going on. I'm a member. The more of us that join the better! > > Tian > > JamBoi wrote: > > >My point is that we could foster closer ties to SVBC > >http://www.svbcbikes.org/ and have some mutual support happening. > > > >A Million Votes for Peace! > > > >Drew > > > >--- Tian Harter wrote: > > > > > > > >>If you go to the SVBC meetings you will find people that like what > >>we are doing and don't really mind being fellow travelers. Some > >>of them (at least one I've seen) even wear Green Party T shirts to > >>the meeting. They see their work as advocacy more than change, > >>so they won't be running against us soon. > >> > >>JamBoi wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Unlike the author of that particular letter, I don't see it as a > >>> > >>> > >>choice > >> > >> > >>>of either/or. In other words, yes we need to improve our transit > >>>system, and yes we need to improve our cycling system. The > cycling > >>>part costs a mere pittance compared to the money spent on autos > and > >>>gets a very large 'bang for the buck'. I still think about how in > >>> > >>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition we were fighting for the state > and > >>>county folks just to fullfill what they'd committed to (required > by > >>> > >>> > >>law > >> > >> > >>>actually) to build up the cycling path beside 85 and how the > >>> > >>> > >>squirreled > >> > >> > >>>out of it as unfortunately happens so frequently. Damn we would > >>> > >>> > >>have > >> > >> > >>>done well to turn to the Green Party to get some political muscle > >>>behind it. Still could. The cycling community and SVBC could be > >>>another source of Green Party recruits, especially if we can > >>> > >>> > >>actually > >> > >> > >>>get some changes effected. > >>> > >>>A Million Votes for Peace, > >>> > >>>Drew > >>> > >>>--- Bob Alavi wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi All, This was [not bilke commute friendly ] in Chronicle of > Aug > >>>> > >>>> > >>5: > >> > >> > >>>> > >>>> " > >>>> TED LOEWENBERG San Francisco > >>>> > >>>>--------------------------------- > >>>> Bicycle commuting is a dead horse > >>>> Editor -- Your frequent advocacy for bicycle commuting has made > >>>> > >>>> > >>me > >> > >> > >>>>rethink the idea. An experienced rider can probably maintain 20 > mph > >>>>for a reasonable distance in bike clothing. A commuter, dressed > for > >>>>work, would be hard pressed, especially in traffic and with > crowded > >>>>bike lanes. When I rode 8 miles to my dental office on a good > >>>> > >>>> > >>bike > >> > >> > >>>>path, on a warm day, it usually required about 25 minutes of > >>>> > >>>> > >>riding, > >> > >> > >>>>and 30 minutes of drip dry, as there was no shower available. > >>>>Schlepping a change of clothes back and forth is not a viable > >>>>solution. For most people, this is ridiculous, and to keep > >>>>suggesting such a method as reasonable is to continue beating a > >>>> > >>>> > >>very > >> > >> > >>>>dead horse. Get real. Society requires subsidized transit for all > >>>> > >>>> > >>in > >> > >> > >>>>the Bay Area. " > >>>> > >>>> I guess the "5 letters" were in response to this. Since about > >>>> > >>>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>>beginning of the year, I have been commuting with a bicycle. I > >>>> > >>>> > >>think > >> > >> > >>>>it has been tremendously helpful in my case. My commute is about > >>>> > >>>> > >>15 > >> > >> > >>>>miles, one way. But some of the items noted in the letter as > >>>>problems of commuting with a bicyle, seem reasonable to me. I > just > >>>>didn't like the tone of that letter. To be specific, I think 20 > >>>> > >>>> > >>MPH > >> > >> > >>>>for a bike is way too fast in most city streets. I feel I'd be > >>>> > >>>> > >>going > >> > >> > >>>>dangerously fast when I go over 12-15 MPH. But that may be my > >>>>problem. Oh yes, sweating is a problem, but if I ride Light Rail > >>>> > >>>> > >>for > >> > >> > >>>>part of that commute, I hardly break a sweat. Proper clothing is > >>>>completely a different area by itself. > >>>> > >>>> We as a society have invested over 100 years to develop > >>>> > >>>> > >>"automobile > >> > >> > >>>>traffic friendly" system and roads. If we invest a fraction of > >>>> > >>>> > >>that > >> > >> > >>>>into a "bicyle friendly" system, we -- that's all of us, will do > a > >>>>lot better. > >>>> > >>>> ba > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Fred Duperrault wrote: > >>>> Gerry, Tian, Cameron, Drew, Dana and other Green bikers - OR > >>>> > >>>> > >>BIKERS > >> > >> > >>>>TO > >>>>BE, There are five "Letters to the Editor," in today's (Aug 12) > SF > >>>>Chronicle, under "A happy gaggle of bike commuters," that you > might > >>>>be > >>>>interested in. Either get it on line or pick up a Chronicle > today. > >>>>The > >>>>letters are on the "Opinion" page, Section B, Page 4. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>-- > >>Tian > >>http://tian.greens.org > >>Latest change: Added Zero One San Jose Pictures! > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>sosfbay-discuss mailing list > >>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > >>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >JamBoi > >Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > > >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > Latest change: Added Zero One San Jose Pictures! > I'm gathering signatures to run for City Council in Mountain View. > If you are a Mountain View voter willing to sign, please let me know! > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From baalavi at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 22:05:17 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Facts about Voting in the US Message-ID: <20060815050517.15145.qmail@web52110.mail.yahoo.com> 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA by Angry Girl of Nightweed.com Did you know.... 1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S. http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold 2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry. http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html 3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers. http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html 4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886 5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines. http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html 6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee. http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26 http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php 7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates. http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html 8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes. http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html 9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html 10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm 11. Diebold is based in Ohio. http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm 12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states. http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml 13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States. http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf 14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years. http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf 15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio. http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html 16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/baxterVPR.mov.) http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190 17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml 18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates. http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950 http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm 19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother. http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html 20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation. http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html http://uscountvotes.org/ NOTE: Some of the data are outdated but much of it is still true. But don't take my word for it. Do your own research and discover the truth for yourselves. You may freely copy and distribute this copy as long as credit is noted. 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I observe those 'ludites' with their primitive paper ballots have uncovered their election fraud and challenged their elections in record time, meanwhile we highly sophisticated gringos with our e-voting machines are still scratching our heads as to what happened to us in Fraud '04 on 11/2. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Aug 15 11:29:32 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:29:32 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Rough draft of my flier Message-ID: <44E2128C.2030108@ispwest.com> I put something up, just so it would look like I was running you can see it at: http://tianharter.org I need to submit a 200 word statement tomorrow. If you can think of anything I should put down, please let me know. BTW: I currently have 17 signatures or so. Special thanks Fred Duperault, who took me around to his neighbors who also signed. Looks like I'll be on the ballot! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added Zero One San Jose Pictures! I'm gathering signatures to run for City Council in Mountain View. If you are a Mountain View voter willing to sign, please let me know! From baalavi at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 15:06:38 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] All out attack on nature? Message-ID: <20060815220638.31162.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> The Edict: GENESIS 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. ---- And the pathetic command performance: http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060815/photos_wl_me_afp/3112a57a3d58e84c228f7f4df080034c Estimates have it by far worse than Exxon Valdez. At least Exxon was titularly found guilty and compelled to pay for cleanup and fines on top of it. Who shall raise a finger to the holier than thou? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 15:20:53 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] All out attack on nature? In-Reply-To: <20060815220638.31162.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060815222053.18469.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Despite whatever translation deficiencies the King James Version of the bible has (quoted below) I'm quite certain the Almighty was not requesting us to destroy the gift given to us of the planet. People who twist G_d's gift into a mandate to rape, pillage and destroy are not in touch with their Creator, I'm quite confident. The Dominionists are not to be confused with those making an honest effort to connect with G_d, Christ (ie. Christians), or any of the many other legitimate faith traditions. Theirs is a malignant cancer upon the body of the faithful. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > > The Edict: > > GENESIS 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be > fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and > have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, > and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. > ---- > And the pathetic command performance: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060815/photos_wl_me_afp/3112a57a3d58e84c228f7f4df080034c > > Estimates have it by far worse than Exxon Valdez. > > At least Exxon was titularly found guilty and compelled to pay for > cleanup and fines on top of it. Who shall raise a finger to the > holier than thou? > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.> _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From WB4D23 at aol.com Tue Aug 15 16:52:39 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:52:39 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] We Need A Meeting To Discuss Ballot Measures Message-ID: <572.45618df.3213b847@aol.com> As previously noted, the GPCA has requested that County GP's review information about November Ballot measures and report positions back before a deadline of 10 am Friday September 8th. Our next GPSCC meeting is scheduled for Thursday September 7th. In the past we have successfully used an initiatives review meeting to propose positions that are brought to the general meeting for approval. If we are going to get our 4 votes reported on time and not clog up the next meeting with lengthy ballot measures discussions, people who are interested in putting together the proposals need to meet (oy veh! another meeting!!!). Jim Stauffer has suggested getting together for dinner on a weekday. Any suggestions as to dates and locations? Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baalavi at yahoo.com Tue Aug 15 21:45:48 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] All out attack on nature? In-Reply-To: <20060815222053.18469.qmail@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060816044548.12381.qmail@web52115.mail.yahoo.com> I hope no one may find this thread offensive. In the 21st century, [I hope] it may all be a legitimate matter of open debate. Then I have often wondered whether the pagans have been better stewards of nature's resources and gifts or the "people of the book". [in spite of translation deficiencies] My honest best answer to this day has surprised myself ... and hopefully I will be learning more and attain a better understanding. JamBoi wrote: Despite whatever translation deficiencies the King James Version of the bible has (quoted below) I'm quite certain the Almighty was not requesting us to destroy the gift given to us of the planet. People who twist G_d's gift into a mandate to rape, pillage and destroy are not in touch with their Creator, I'm quite confident. The Dominionists are not to be confused with those making an honest effort to connect with G_d, Christ (ie. Christians), or any of the many other legitimate faith traditions. Theirs is a malignant cancer upon the body of the faithful. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > > The Edict: > > GENESIS 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be > fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and > have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, > and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. > ---- > And the pathetic command performance: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060815/photos_wl_me_afp/3112a57a3d58e84c228f7f4df080034c > > Estimates have it by far worse than Exxon Valdez. > > At least Exxon was titularly found guilty and compelled to pay for > cleanup and fines on top of it. Who shall raise a finger to the > holier than thou? > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.> _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1?/min. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Aug 15 22:04:42 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:04:42 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Public Stoning: Not Just for the Taliban" Message-ID: <44E2A76A.8070700@earthlink.net> Subheading: "Christian reconstructionists believe democracy is heresy and public school is satanic -- and they've got more influence than you think." http://alternet.org/story/40318/ (More info about the extreme Christian right.) Gerry From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 00:19:23 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Public Stoning: Not Just for the Taliban" In-Reply-To: <44E2A76A.8070700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060816071923.50876.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Let's not play into the self-promoted mythology that Dominionists are Christians in any way shape or form. Since they have so little to do with Jesus (ie. Christ) Reconstructionist Dominionists best not be confused with Christians and its best not to confuse semantics by the oxymoron 'Christian Reconstuctionists'. I'm speaking from significant Christian theological background and I can say with some authoritative weight that if you read the Dominionists material you'll find scant references to Jesus combined with heavy prooftext dependence on literalistic and out of context references to the Old Testament. Mainline Christians see them as a cult that is perhaps at best a spin-off of Christianity, but who have drifted so very far from Christ's teachings and have themselves become a heretical cult. The phrase "Who Would Jesus Bomb?" is tailor made to refute their extreme anti-christ orientation. The following passage would be accurate if it read: Dominionist Reconstructionists believe democracy is heresy and public school is satanic -- and they've got more influence than you think." http://alternet.org/story/40318/ (More info about the extreme Dominionist right.) A Million Vote for Peace! Drew --- Gerry Gras wrote: > > > Subheading: > "Christian reconstructionists believe democracy is heresy and public > school is satanic -- and they've got more influence than you think." > > > http://alternet.org/story/40318/ > > (More info about the extreme Christian right.) > > Gerry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 01:02:04 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060816071923.50876.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060816080204.53029.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> While not specifically presented as 'Christian' this has more in common with Jesus' The Christ's teachings than any Dominionist Reconstructionist ever will. Check it out! http://www.positivepause.com/en/ A Million Votes for Peace JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From baalavi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 06:59:58 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060816080204.53029.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060816135958.69161.qmail@web52110.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you. That reference seems to point to a different source than bible. Love and Peace (that the reference seems to promote) were never even being disputed. They have an innate and eternal power that stands on its own regardless of "bible". The Biblical edicts resulting in "non-loving", non-peaceful", violent acts were being depicted. Thanks again, ba JamBoi wrote: While not specifically presented as 'Christian' this has more in common with Jesus' The Christ's teachings than any Dominionist Reconstructionist ever will. Check it out! http://www.positivepause.com/en/ A Million Votes for Peace JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 08:39:59 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060816135958.69161.qmail@web52110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060816153959.53850.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> > JamBoi wrote: > While not specifically presented as 'Christian' this has more in > common > with Jesus' The Christ's teachings than any Dominionist > Reconstructionist ever will. Check it out! > > http://www.positivepause.com/en/ --- Bob Alavi wrote: > Thank you. > That reference seems to point to a different source than bible. > Love and Peace (that the reference seems to promote) were never > even being disputed. They have an innate and eternal power that > stands on its own regardless of "bible". > The Biblical edicts resulting in "non-loving", non-peaceful", > violent acts were being depicted. > > Thanks again, This goes back to what I was getting at in my discussion about Dominionism. While not directly evoking the words of Jesus (from the Bible), the link I shared closely maps to Jesus'(Biblical) teachings and its exactly what you will NOT FIND IN DOMINIONISM as I was saying earlier. What could possibly be more 'biblical' and 'Christian' than the words of Jesus, The Christ himself??? Yet Dominionism though it purports to be 'biblical' and 'Christian' focuses almost all its scriptural energy/authority on the Old Testament and not-Jesus parts of the New Testament bible and even then takes an extremely literalistic, cramped and cribbed, out of cultural, historical and even textual context interpretation of biblical proof texts to justify its Anti-Christ (anti-love and anti-peace) doctrine. If one closely examines the alleged quotes of Jesus in the New Testament Bible one finds the vast proponderance of his teaching is precisely about Love and Peace. This is eminately 'Biblical'. Actual Christians (though not true of Dominionists) interpret all of the biblical, scriptural text in the light of these teachings of Jesus'. Jesus' pivotal teaching in the New Testament is that humanity 1) Love God w/ all their heart, soul, mind and strength and 2) Love our neighbor as ourselves. A prominent theologian has said that next to that teaching the entire rest of the Bible needs to be seen a merely 'footnotes.' So you see that for the Christian, nothing could be more 'Biblical' than Jesus The Christ's laser-beam-like focus on Love and Peace. This intensely illuminates the vast gulf between the followers of Jesus (ie. Christians) and the worshippers of power in recast in twisted 'Biblical' idolatry (what I call bibliolatry or Dominionism). The name 'Christian' actually means 'little Christ' (ie. little messiah or little Jesus) and was first used as a term of derision towards disciples of Jesus who were sharing about Jesus' way of Love and Peace by defenders of the older domination structured society and religion who were feeling threatened by this upstart faith. The Way as the followers of Jesus called it before this (originally meant as pejorative) term 'Christian' was embraced by were said to be 'turning the world upside down' by their radical acts of Love and Peace. Their new faith in Jesus' doctrine of "love God" and "love your neighor as you love yourself" as embodied by their new style of 'Servant Leadership' so challenged the societal order (political and religious - which were married at the time in a type of what we might call 'theocracy') that the rulers felt the strong need to suppress the faith. Radical Love and Peace. So to summarize even though it doesn't directly qute the Bible this link is far more representative of and faithful to the bible, Jesus' teachings and Christianity than Dominionism could ever hope to be. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Aug 16 10:13:28 2006 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:13:28 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Public Stoning: Not Just for the Taliban" In-Reply-To: <44E2A76A.8070700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi, On the religion front, please note that the Westminster John Knox Press, the publishing arm of the Presbyterian Church U.S.A., has published Dr. David Ray Griffin's latest book, "Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action." I'm old enough to remember when clergymen were a mainstay of the antiwar movement in this country, and though I happen to be of the pantheist/pagan/animist/buddhist-nudist stripe myself, I welcome this possibly significant development. We can use all the Berrigans we can get! Brian >From: Gerry Gras >To: sosfbay-discuss at marla.cagreens.org >Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Public Stoning: Not Just for the Taliban" >Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:04:42 -0700 > > > >Subheading: >"Christian reconstructionists believe democracy is heresy and public >school is satanic -- and they've got more influence than you think." > > > http://alternet.org/story/40318/ > >(More info about the extreme Christian right.) > >Gerry > > > > >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From baalavi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 16 10:54:21 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060816153959.53850.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060816175421.54399.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Just a couple of quotes: From bible: God Will Kill Everything and Everyone (Zephaniah 1:2) "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die... " From JamBoi: "A Million Votes for Peace!" Drew Buddy, we all do much better together without the bible than with it. JamBoi wrote: > JamBoi wrote: > While not specifically presented as 'Christian' this has more in > common > with Jesus' The Christ's teachings than any Dominionist > Reconstructionist ever will. Check it out! > > http://www.positivepause.com/en/ --- Bob Alavi wrote: > Thank you. > That reference seems to point to a different source than bible. > Love and Peace (that the reference seems to promote) were never > even being disputed. They have an innate and eternal power that > stands on its own regardless of "bible". > The Biblical edicts resulting in "non-loving", non-peaceful", > violent acts were being depicted. > > Thanks again, This goes back to what I was getting at in my discussion about Dominionism. While not directly evoking the words of Jesus (from the Bible), the link I shared closely maps to Jesus'(Biblical) teachings and its exactly what you will NOT FIND IN DOMINIONISM as I was saying earlier. What could possibly be more 'biblical' and 'Christian' than the words of Jesus, The Christ himself??? Yet Dominionism though it purports to be 'biblical' and 'Christian' focuses almost all its scriptural energy/authority on the Old Testament and not-Jesus parts of the New Testament bible and even then takes an extremely literalistic, cramped and cribbed, out of cultural, historical and even textual context interpretation of biblical proof texts to justify its Anti-Christ (anti-love and anti-peace) doctrine. If one closely examines the alleged quotes of Jesus in the New Testament Bible one finds the vast proponderance of his teaching is precisely about Love and Peace. This is eminately 'Biblical'. Actual Christians (though not true of Dominionists) interpret all of the biblical, scriptural text in the light of these teachings of Jesus'. Jesus' pivotal teaching in the New Testament is that humanity 1) Love God w/ all their heart, soul, mind and strength and 2) Love our neighbor as ourselves. A prominent theologian has said that next to that teaching the entire rest of the Bible needs to be seen a merely 'footnotes.' So you see that for the Christian, nothing could be more 'Biblical' than Jesus The Christ's laser-beam-like focus on Love and Peace. This intensely illuminates the vast gulf between the followers of Jesus (ie. Christians) and the worshippers of power in recast in twisted 'Biblical' idolatry (what I call bibliolatry or Dominionism). The name 'Christian' actually means 'little Christ' (ie. little messiah or little Jesus) and was first used as a term of derision towards disciples of Jesus who were sharing about Jesus' way of Love and Peace by defenders of the older domination structured society and religion who were feeling threatened by this upstart faith. The Way as the followers of Jesus called it before this (originally meant as pejorative) term 'Christian' was embraced by were said to be 'turning the world upside down' by their radical acts of Love and Peace. Their new faith in Jesus' doctrine of "love God" and "love your neighor as you love yourself" as embodied by their new style of 'Servant Leadership' so challenged the societal order (political and religious - which were married at the time in a type of what we might call 'theocracy') that the rulers felt the strong need to suppress the faith. Radical Love and Peace. So to summarize even though it doesn't directly qute the Bible this link is far more representative of and faithful to the bible, Jesus' teachings and Christianity than Dominionism could ever hope to be. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 10:40:54 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Progressive Pastors Part of Solution! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060817174054.61353.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Amen Brother! A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- Brian Good wrote: > Hi, > > On the religion front, please note that the Westminster John Knox > Press, > the publishing arm of the Presbyterian Church U.S.A., has published > Dr. > David Ray Griffin's latest book, "Christian Faith and the Truth > Behind 9/11: > A Call to Reflection and Action." > > I'm old enough to remember when clergymen were a mainstay of the > antiwar movement in this country, and though I happen to be of the > pantheist/pagan/animist/buddhist-nudist stripe myself, I welcome this > possibly significant development. We can use all the Berrigans we > can > get! > > Brian JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Aug 17 10:49:26 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060816175421.54399.qmail@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060817174927.65427.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> I observe that the New Testament and in particular the words of Jesus are very much 'From the Bible' (hello!) and for a real Christian (not so much for Dominionists) of pivitol import and that the inscrutable Old Testament passages like the one you plucked out (of context I must add) take a very, very back seat in importance. It is the New Testament (Bible) that asserts "God is Love." I Jn 1:15 and the New Testament that is chalk full of this understanding of God. So lets not create some kind of straw man argument by taking a nonrepresentative group (ie/ trying to substitute Dominionists for Christians) and then try to pin their craziness on the mainstream and try to pretend that is some kind of valid argument against the mainstream group or their sacred book. This would be every bit as prejudicialy off-base as when red-necks try to say that all Muslims are 'Terrorists' and looky here at this out of context koran reference to prove it! Love and Peace to you all! Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > Just a couple of quotes: > > From bible: > > God Will Kill Everything and Everyone > (Zephaniah 1:2) > "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. > "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of > the air and the fish in the sea will die... " > > From JamBoi: "A Million Votes for Peace!" > > Drew Buddy, we all do much better together without the bible than > with it. > JamBoi wrote: > > JamBoi wrote: > > While not specifically presented as 'Christian' this has more in > > common > > with Jesus' The Christ's teachings than any Dominionist > > Reconstructionist ever will. Check it out! > > > > http://www.positivepause.com/en/ > > --- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > Thank you. > > That reference seems to point to a different source than bible. > > Love and Peace (that the reference seems to promote) were never > > even being disputed. They have an innate and eternal power that > > stands on its own regardless of "bible". > > The Biblical edicts resulting in "non-loving", non-peaceful", > > violent acts were being depicted. > > > > Thanks again, > > This goes back to what I was getting at in my discussion about > Dominionism. While not directly evoking the words of Jesus (from the > Bible), the link I shared closely maps to Jesus'(Biblical) teachings > and its exactly what you will NOT FIND IN DOMINIONISM as I was saying > earlier. What could possibly be more 'biblical' and 'Christian' than > the words of Jesus, The Christ himself??? Yet Dominionism though it > purports to be 'biblical' and 'Christian' focuses almost all its > scriptural energy/authority on the Old Testament and not-Jesus parts > of > the New Testament bible and even then takes an extremely > literalistic, > cramped and cribbed, out of cultural, historical and even textual > context interpretation of biblical proof texts to justify its > Anti-Christ (anti-love and anti-peace) doctrine. > > If one closely examines the alleged quotes of Jesus in the New > Testament Bible one finds the vast proponderance of his teaching is > precisely about Love and Peace. This is eminately 'Biblical'. Actual > Christians (though not true of Dominionists) interpret all of the > biblical, scriptural text in the light of these teachings of Jesus'. > Jesus' pivotal teaching in the New Testament is that humanity 1) Love > God w/ all their heart, soul, mind and strength and 2) Love our > neighbor as ourselves. A prominent theologian has said that next to > that teaching the entire rest of the Bible needs to be seen a merely > 'footnotes.' So you see that for the Christian, nothing could be more > 'Biblical' than Jesus The Christ's laser-beam-like focus on Love and > Peace. This intensely illuminates the vast gulf between the followers > of Jesus (ie. Christians) and the worshippers of power in recast in > twisted 'Biblical' idolatry (what I call bibliolatry or Dominionism). > > The name 'Christian' actually means 'little Christ' (ie. little > messiah > or little Jesus) and was first used as a term of derision towards > disciples of Jesus who were sharing about Jesus' way of Love and > Peace > by defenders of the older domination structured society and religion > who were feeling threatened by this upstart faith. The Way as the > followers of Jesus called it before this (originally meant as > pejorative) term 'Christian' was embraced by were said to be 'turning > the world upside down' by their radical acts of Love and Peace. Their > new faith in Jesus' doctrine of "love God" and "love your neighor as > you love yourself" as embodied by their new style of 'Servant > Leadership' so challenged the societal order (political and religious > - > which were married at the time in a type of what we might call > 'theocracy') that the rulers felt the strong need to suppress the > faith. Radical Love and Peace. > > So to summarize even though it doesn't directly qute the Bible this > link is far more representative of and faithful to the bible, Jesus' > teachings and Christianity than Dominionism could ever hope to be. > > A Million Votes for Peace! > > Drew > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > --------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 17 11:21:33 2006 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:21:33 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] tabling Message-ID: <44E4B3AD.1040203@sbcglobal.net> Who would like to table on Saturday September 16-th at http://www.communityfest.org/ From tnharter at ispwest.com Thu Aug 17 12:12:57 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:12:57 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Last pre campaign pictures, and moving forward Message-ID: <44E4BFB9.9090105@ispwest.com> Last weekend there was a peace march in San Francisco. You can see those pictures at: http://tian.greens.org/SanFrancisco/PeaceMarchAug06/index.html The week before that, there was a very interesting digital technology festival in San Jose. You can see those pictures at: http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne06/index.html The San Francisco Mime Troupe will be in Mitchell Park (Palo Alto, between Meadow and Charleston near Middlefield) on Saturday (Music 4:30pm, Show 5:00pm). You can see details about it at: http://www.sfmt.org This morning the City Clerk told me my name is on the ballot! I'm thinking I need a brainstorming meeting for my campaign. If you wants to talk informally before or after that show it would be great. If you'd rather have a more formal meeting type session, please let me know what evenings you are free next week, the sooner the better. Things are still fluid now, but I need to have fliers and a slogan soon! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest changes: Added Peace March in San Francisco and Zero One Festival in San Jose Pictures! I'm now on the ballot running for Mountain View City Council. From baalavi at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 10:15:30 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060817174927.65427.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060818171530.18253.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> ( MATHEW 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. ) *** words of Jesus are very much 'From the Bible' (hello!) *** ba I observe that the New Testament and in particular the words of Jesus are very much 'From the Bible' (hello!) and for a real Christian (not so much for Dominionists) of pivitol import and that the inscrutable Old Testament passages like the one you plucked out (of context I must add) take a very, very back seat in importance. It is the New Testament (Bible) that asserts "God is Love." I Jn 1:15 and the New Testament that is chalk full of this understanding of God. So lets not create some kind of straw man argument by taking a nonrepresentative group (ie/ trying to substitute Dominionists for Christians) and then try to pin their craziness on the mainstream and try to pretend that is some kind of valid argument against the mainstream group or their sacred book. This would be every bit as prejudicialy off-base as when red-necks try to say that all Muslims are 'Terrorists' and looky here at this out of context koran reference to prove it! Love and Peace to you all! Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > Just a couple of quotes: > > From bible: > > God Will Kill Everything and Everyone > (Zephaniah 1:2) > "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. > "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of > the air and the fish in the sea will die... " > > From JamBoi: "A Million Votes for Peace!" > > Drew Buddy, we all do much better together without the bible than > with it. > JamBoi wrote: > > JamBoi wrote: > > While not specifically presented as 'Christian' this has more in > > common > > with Jesus' The Christ's teachings than any Dominionist > > Reconstructionist ever will. Check it out! > > > > http://www.positivepause.com/en/ > > --- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > Thank you. > > That reference seems to point to a different source than bible. > > Love and Peace (that the reference seems to promote) were never > > even being disputed. They have an innate and eternal power that > > stands on its own regardless of "bible". > > The Biblical edicts resulting in "non-loving", non-peaceful", > > violent acts were being depicted. > > > > Thanks again, > > This goes back to what I was getting at in my discussion about > Dominionism. While not directly evoking the words of Jesus (from the > Bible), the link I shared closely maps to Jesus'(Biblical) teachings > and its exactly what you will NOT FIND IN DOMINIONISM as I was saying > earlier. What could possibly be more 'biblical' and 'Christian' than > the words of Jesus, The Christ himself??? Yet Dominionism though it > purports to be 'biblical' and 'Christian' focuses almost all its > scriptural energy/authority on the Old Testament and not-Jesus parts > of > the New Testament bible and even then takes an extremely > literalistic, > cramped and cribbed, out of cultural, historical and even textual > context interpretation of biblical proof texts to justify its > Anti-Christ (anti-love and anti-peace) doctrine. > > If one closely examines the alleged quotes of Jesus in the New > Testament Bible one finds the vast proponderance of his teaching is > precisely about Love and Peace. This is eminately 'Biblical'. Actual > Christians (though not true of Dominionists) interpret all of the > biblical, scriptural text in the light of these teachings of Jesus'. > Jesus' pivotal teaching in the New Testament is that humanity 1) Love > God w/ all their heart, soul, mind and strength and 2) Love our > neighbor as ourselves. A prominent theologian has said that next to > that teaching the entire rest of the Bible needs to be seen a merely > 'footnotes.' So you see that for the Christian, nothing could be more > 'Biblical' than Jesus The Christ's laser-beam-like focus on Love and > Peace. This intensely illuminates the vast gulf between the followers > of Jesus (ie. Christians) and the worshippers of power in recast in > twisted 'Biblical' idolatry (what I call bibliolatry or Dominionism). > > The name 'Christian' actually means 'little Christ' (ie. little > messiah > or little Jesus) and was first used as a term of derision towards > disciples of Jesus who were sharing about Jesus' way of Love and > Peace > by defenders of the older domination structured society and religion > who were feeling threatened by this upstart faith. The Way as the > followers of Jesus called it before this (originally meant as > pejorative) term 'Christian' was embraced by were said to be 'turning > the world upside down' by their radical acts of Love and Peace. Their > new faith in Jesus' doctrine of "love God" and "love your neighor as > you love yourself" as embodied by their new style of 'Servant > Leadership' so challenged the societal order (political and religious > - > which were married at the time in a type of what we might call > 'theocracy') that the rulers felt the strong need to suppress the > faith. Radical Love and Peace. > > So to summarize even though it doesn't directly qute the Bible this > link is far more representative of and faithful to the bible, Jesus' > teachings and Christianity than Dominionism could ever hope to be. > > A Million Votes for Peace! > > Drew > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > --------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 13:43:45 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060818171530.18253.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060818204345.29582.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Heya Bob, Here are some quotes (admittedly taken out of context) from the New Testament that more acccurately represent Jesus' teachings on Love and Peace than the one you (Bob) selected. * Love: The essence of Jesus' teaching is that God is love and we respond to God's Love by loving one another: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." " Jesus, The Christ of Nazareth, The book of John, chapter 13, verse 34. John chapter 13 in full context: http://tinyurl.com/jb26d "God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him." The book of 1st John chapter 3 verse 16 (I mistakenly said it was at 1st John 1:15 before - my bad). * Peace: Jesus' teaches a new 'Way of Peace'. "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peaceto men on whom his favor rests."Luke 2:14 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." Jesus, Matthew 5:9 "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives." John 14:27 "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." John 16:33 "The God of peace be with you all. Amen". Romans 15:33 ----------- So again Bob, we can easily draw a sentence or two from any lengthy complex book (or in this case set of books - a library really) and find something that offends our cultural sensibilities or in my case above appeals to us. But if on the other hand we are being intellectually honest and really trying to understand a particular book (or set of books) we would want to start by reading the whole work and see what on balance was the gist, the essence of the work. That would be the start. From there we would want to try and understand more about the authors, the audience and their respective cultures, the original language(s) the work was written in, what the meaning of veerious phrases and cultural allusions hold in these cultures, etc. Simply plucking an out of context quote, especially one noted for its difficulty of interpretation given its sharp contrast with the rest of the book is not in keeping with the best practices of intellectually rigorous examination of a complex topic. As I said before, any fool can rip a quote out of context from say the Koran or Bagavad-Gita to 'prove' these works are highly dangerous to other foolish people that read them at face vvalue. That's a given. That's why we have too many people (I characterized before as 'rednecks' - ;-) ) today making foolish statements about all Mulims being 'Terrorists'. The vast proponderance of Jesus' essential teaching and modeled behavoir is on Love and Peace. If anyone doesn't believe my assertion I challenge them to actually pick up and read the four 'Gospels' in the New Testament and see for yourself. The problem is that many people make all kinds of statements and assertions without actually investigating for themselves. Love and Peace to y'all, Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > ( MATHEW 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I > came not to send peace, but a sword. ) > > *** words of Jesus are very much 'From the Bible' (hello!) *** > > ba > I observe that the New Testament and in particular the words of > Jesus > are very much 'From the Bible' (hello!) and for a real Christian (not > so much for Dominionists) of pivitol import and that the inscrutable > Old Testament passages like the one you plucked out (of context I > must > add) take a very, very back seat in importance. It is the New > Testament (Bible) that asserts "God is Love." I Jn 1:15 and the New > Testament that is chalk full of this understanding of God. So lets > not > create some kind of straw man argument by taking a nonrepresentative > group (ie/ trying to substitute Dominionists for Christians) and then > try to pin their craziness on the mainstream and try to pretend that > is > some kind of valid argument against the mainstream group or their > sacred book. This would be every bit as prejudicialy off-base as when > red-necks try to say that all Muslims are 'Terrorists' and looky here > at this out of context koran reference to prove it! > > Love and Peace to you all! > > Drew > > --- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > Just a couple of quotes: > > > > From bible: > > > > God Will Kill Everything and Everyone > > (Zephaniah 1:2) > > "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. > > "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of > > the air and the fish in the sea will die... " > > > > From JamBoi: "A Million Votes for Peace!" > > > > Drew Buddy, we all do much better together without the bible than > > with it. > > JamBoi wrote: > > > JamBoi wrote: > > > While not specifically presented as 'Christian' this has more in > > > common > > > with Jesus' The Christ's teachings than any Dominionist > > > Reconstructionist ever will. Check it out! > > > > > > http://www.positivepause.com/en/ > > > > --- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > > > Thank you. > > > That reference seems to point to a different source than bible. > > > Love and Peace (that the reference seems to promote) were never > > > even being disputed. They have an innate and eternal power that > > > stands on its own regardless of "bible". > > > The Biblical edicts resulting in "non-loving", non-peaceful", > > > violent acts were being depicted. > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > This goes back to what I was getting at in my discussion about > > Dominionism. While not directly evoking the words of Jesus (from > the > > Bible), the link I shared closely maps to Jesus'(Biblical) > teachings > > and its exactly what you will NOT FIND IN DOMINIONISM as I was > saying > > earlier. What could possibly be more 'biblical' and 'Christian' > than > > the words of Jesus, The Christ himself??? Yet Dominionism though it > > purports to be 'biblical' and 'Christian' focuses almost all its > > scriptural energy/authority on the Old Testament and not-Jesus > parts > > of > > the New Testament bible and even then takes an extremely > > literalistic, > > cramped and cribbed, out of cultural, historical and even textual > > context interpretation of biblical proof texts to justify its > > Anti-Christ (anti-love and anti-peace) doctrine. > > > > If one closely examines the alleged quotes of Jesus in the New > > Testament Bible one finds the vast proponderance of his teaching is > > precisely about Love and Peace. This is eminately 'Biblical'. > Actual > > Christians (though not true of Dominionists) interpret all of the > > biblical, scriptural text in the light of these teachings of > Jesus'. > > Jesus' pivotal teaching in the New Testament is that humanity 1) > Love > > God w/ all their heart, soul, mind and strength and 2) Love our > > neighbor as ourselves. A prominent theologian has said that next to > > that teaching the entire rest of the Bible needs to be seen a > merely > > 'footnotes.' So you see that for the Christian, nothing could be > more > > 'Biblical' than Jesus The Christ's laser-beam-like focus on Love > and > > Peace. This intensely illuminates the vast gulf between the > followers > > of Jesus (ie. Christians) and the worshippers of power in recast in > > twisted 'Biblical' idolatry (what I call bibliolatry or > Dominionism). > > > > The name 'Christian' actually means 'little Christ' (ie. little > > messiah > > or little Jesus) and was first used as a term of derision towards > > disciples of Jesus who were sharing about Jesus' way of Love and > > Peace > > by defenders of the older domination structured society and > religion > > who were feeling threatened by this upstart faith. The Way as the > > followers of Jesus called it before this (originally meant as > > pejorative) term 'Christian' was embraced by were said to be > 'turning > > the world upside down' by their radical acts of Love and Peace. > Their > > new faith in Jesus' doctrine of "love God" and "love your neighor > as > > you love yourself" as embodied by their new style of 'Servant > > Leadership' so challenged the societal order (political and > religious > > - > > which were married at the time in a type of what we might call > > 'theocracy') that the rulers felt the strong need to suppress the > > faith. Radical Love and Peace. > > > > So to summarize even though it doesn't directly qute the Bible this > > link is far more representative of and faithful to the bible, > Jesus' > > teachings and Christianity than Dominionism could ever hope to be. > > > > A Million Votes for Peace! > > > > Drew > > > > JamBoi > > Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.> _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Aug 18 14:58:10 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Network of Spiritual Progressives Book Club meeting tommorrow, Aug 19, in Palo Alto In-Reply-To: <20060818204345.29582.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060818215810.21561.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Progressives can enjoy spirituality and apply their values to their activism too! The Network of Spiritual Progressives (NSP) local chapter has two book clubs, one in Palo Alto (which I've attended and am going to attend tommorrow) and one in Willow Glen. The NSP "An Interfaith Movement... Welcoming to "Spiritual but not Religious Secular People As Well." is IMO a very interesting organization formed by Rabbi Michael Lerner as an Interfaith group to explore and celebrate progressive values in light of interfaith spirituality (my words, not theirs). To some degree IMO its an efforts to rally those on the progressive side that choose a spiritual path and give balance too the spiritual folks that are conservative. Previously the group was reading Rabbi Michael Lerner's book "The Left Hand of God", and since I missed several gatherings I'm unclear if this meeting is still on that book or has moved onto another. Anyway here's the scoop: Neil Penn sent this note out and I pass it along to any who are interested: Hi All, The next meeting of our book group will be on Saturday August 19 at 10AM. We will be discussing the Spiritual Covenant . Each session has a specific theme .Therefore while it is preferable to attend the previous session it is not necessary. Please bring brunch type foods Directions are provide below Bob Niederman - Our Host 554 Kelly Way Palo Alto, 94306 Tel. 650-857-0772 DIRECTIONS From 101 North or South: Follow 101 to San Antonion Exit toward Los Altos. First light is E. Charleston. Turn Right. Follow it as it bends left. Just after crossing El Camino Real Turn Left onto McKellor. Make first Right onto Kelly. My house is second on the left. Large Palm tree in front. From 280 North or South: Take 280 to El Monte Exit. Turn toward Los Altos. Turn Left on Foothill Expressway. Go several miles. Turn right at Arastradero Rd. (Gunn High School is on that corner). Just past the firestation (large flagpole on left) turn Right onto Suzanne then immediate left onto Kelly. My house is at the end of the block on the left. Large Palm tree in the front. JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Sat Aug 19 09:11:48 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 09:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Reminder - Jerry McNerney Event Message-ID: <20060819161148.84249.qmail@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> --- Peter Drekmeier wrote: > From: Peter Drekmeier > Subject: Reminder - Jerry McNerney Event > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:06:38 -0700 > > Friends, > > Just a reminder that the fundraiser for Jerry McNerney is this Sunday > > at 6:30pm. This is a very important race, with national > implications, so I strongly encourage you to join us. Following are > > the details. > > Thanks. > > -Peter > > > > Dear Friends, > > Please help save our country (and the planet). > > This November we have an excellent opportunity to replace one of our > > worst Congressmen with a man of high integrity and strong > environmental values. Jerry McNerney, a wind energy specialist, is > challenging Richard Pombo, an anti-environmental zealot, for the > Congressional seat representing San Ramon, Pleasanton, Lodi, Tracy, > and most of Stockton. > > Please join us at a fundraiser for Jerry McNerney in Palo Alto: > > Sunday, August 20, 6:30pm ? 8:00pm > At the home of Tom & Sharon Wagner > 914 Matadero Court, Palo Alto > > Jerry McNerney is the perfect candidate to take on Pombo. In the > late 1970s, Dr. McNerney recognized our country?s need for a > diversified energy supply and changed careers to serve that need. > His innovations helped create the wind power industry we know today. > > In 2004, Jerry recognized another need and took action. He ran > against Pombo and did better than any challenger in that district > since 1994. Jerry never stopped campaigning, and in a hard-fought > primary this year, Jerry won a three-way race with 52.6% of the vote, > > getting almost twice as many votes as his main opponent, who outspent > > him 2-to-1. > > Jerry wants to lead the nation away from the grip of foreign oil and > > transform the district into the ?Silicon Valley of renewable > energy.? This is our chance to make a real difference, in one of the > > key races nationwide. > > Please join Jerry at an event hosted by Tom and Sharon Wagner at > their lovely solar home in Palo Alto. Jerry looks forward to sharing > > his views and hearing what is important to each of you. > > Sunday August 20, 6:30pm ? 8:00pm > At the home of Tom & Sharon Wagner > 914 Matadero Court, Palo Alto > Supporter: $100 > Student/Low Income: $35 > > Event Sponsors: Peter Drekmeier and Carolyn Curtis > Please RSVP to Don Mayall ? seleve at ix.netcom.com ? 650-856-7579. > > If you are unable to attend, but would like to volunteer or > contribute to Jerry?s campaign, please visit http:// > www.jerrymcnerney.org or mail your donation to McNerney for Congress, > > PO Box 12022, Pleasanton, CA 94588. > > > ----------------------------------- > Peter Drekmeier > pdrekmeier at earthlink.net > (650) 223-3333 > > > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Aug 19 13:18:17 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:18:17 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Congress Poised to Unravel the Internet" Message-ID: <44E77209.8050304@earthlink.net> Another article about the end of "net neutrality": http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0819-23.htm If I recall correctly, Cameron has said that he is not concerned about the potential changes, because he thinks it will help resuce spam and make people pay the appropriate costs. Have I mistated this, Cameron? I too would like to see spam reduced. But I am still concerned. It seems to me that when AT&T, Verizon, et al are pushing the current proposed bill, well, it seems that if it passes it will be a stop towards centralization of power over the internet. When television first came out, it was touted for all its possible benefits to society and education. Those benefits were gradually lost to corporate control. My primary concern is to what extent will these changes make it more difficult for average citizens and small groups to communicate with others. Gerry From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Sat Aug 19 16:32:38 2006 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:32:38 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Congress Poised to Unravel the Internet" Message-ID: >Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:18:17 -0700 >From: Gerry Gras >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; > rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 >To: sosfbay-discuss at marla.cagreens.org >Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Congress Poised to Unravel the Internet" >Another article about the end of "net neutrality": > http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0819-23.htm >If I recall correctly, Cameron has said that he is not >concerned about the potential changes, because he thinks >it will help resuce spam and make people pay the appropriate >costs. Have I mistated this, Cameron? Not even close. There is no such thing as "net neutrality" and never has been. It just wasn't an issue until now. The Internet has been held together for its first thirty years by contracts between its component networks known as "transit and peering arrangements." Those agreements created an Internet which is no longer viable due to the appearance of new, very large traffic sources. Blockbuster, Itunes, Vonage, Youtube, etc. The backbone companies are being asked to carry this commercial traffic for free, and they can't. They want new transit and peering deals where Blockbuster and Apple and Vonage pay for some of the huge load they're creating in MCI's and Sprint's and AT&T's ("the core") routing centers. Remember there is more optical fiber between these centers than anyone will know how to use for a long time. The Internet's bottlenecks are the routers where those lines come together. Meanwhile, the telcos and cable TV cos that own "the edge" want to charge their competitors (Vonage and Skype...) for some of the load they're creating in the Internet's periphery, mostly for competitive reasons rather than actual equipment overload. This new commercial traffic represents tens of thousands of times more data than email or conventional Web access. We either get new peering arrangements, or the Internet falls apart because nobody is willing to pay for the way we want to use it now. >My primary concern is to what extent will these changes >make it more difficult for average citizens and small groups >to communicate with others. The danger here is not loss of something which never existed. It is the potential for politically motivated abuse of the new peering arrangements that are going to replace the ones in place now. Once MCI gets a law that says it can charge Vonage a reasonable rate for transit, if that same rate applies to Commondreams and Greens.org, there is no problem. The average traffic out of my server petra-k over the last year amounts to the traffic generated by about three Vonage calls. Greens.org and Commondreams would pay less under fair billing than we pay now. But if the law lets them charge Commondreams and Greens.org a million times more per gigabit than they charge Vonage, we're screwed. Nobody's concerned MCI would "block" (null route) Commondreams, we're concerned they'll price Commondreams out of the medium. Unfortunately, as usual, Greens and other progressives are letting marketing operations like Moveon.com define this debate for us, and they're twisting it beyond all recognition to suit their own purposes. Moveon sends unsolicited broadcast email. Recently, AOL proposed a scheme where its users would be offered a miniscule discount for accepting such "legitimate" spam. "Legitimate" spammers would be the ones who pay AOL for access to these users, and who comply with AOL's content rules. Moveon made a big deal of that, calling it an "email tax" and playing on consumer confusion about a long-running Internet hoax about an FCC- or Postal Service-imposed email tax. It's a completely unrelated issue. The great majority of consumers will be content with whatever playpen the cable TV and telcos design for them. It'll be colorful and noisy and really easy to use and they won't have to make any decisions for themselves. They just want to download commercial music and videos and have cheap (if unreliable) phone service. Professionals who actually need to communicate will, I suspect, create demand for a new Internet that rides virtual circuits on top of the existing one. The Internet of a few years ago will fit neatly through Secure Shell connections across Comcast's edge fabric if it has to. But this isn't new. The Internet has been splitting off a cheap, unthreatening (but not truly safe) consumer playpen for the last dozen years. This is just one more step in that process. The problem we face, which I've personally been able to make very little progress at, is convincing Greens that the consumer playpen isn't good enough and we need to be present on the grown-up side. If "the end of net neutrality" brings the end of the benefits we've gotten from the Internet recently, it will mostly be by our own choice and our own fault. The consequence of it being socially acceptable to throw up one's hands and whine "I'm not technical!" If you want to worry about "losing the Internet," loss of "net neutrality" is the wrong threat. Worry about Microsoft's Trusted Computing Initiative (formerly code named Palladium) being mandated by Congress. Palladium will make it almost impossible to build the network we may one day have to build inside the playpen. Or it could cause the US' playpen to become isolated from the free (freedom, not price) Internet of Europe and Latin America. I half suspect "loss of net neutrality" is the false alarm designed to make us complacent (or "confused") enough to accept Palladium. Please see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html Cameron From WB4D23 at aol.com Sun Aug 20 12:20:25 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:20:25 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Plenary Agenda Packet Published; Meeting Needed to Discuss (and Ballot Measures) Message-ID: <4a2.16842d6.321a0ff9@aol.com> The plenary agenda packet has (finally!) been published. The four delegates need to meet to discuss items (platform proposals; GPUS affiliation agreement; etc.). There still needs to be a general meeting to discuss ballot measures. One meeting or two??? Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Sun Aug 20 20:38:56 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Plenary Agenda Packet Published; Meeting Needed to Discuss (and Ballot Measures) In-Reply-To: <4a2.16842d6.321a0ff9@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060821033856.3722.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Where do we find the plenary agenda packet? If that attachment was meant to be it, it wasn't. A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- WB4D23 at aol.com wrote: > The plenary agenda packet has (finally!) been published. > The four delegates need to meet to discuss items (platform proposals; > GPUS > affiliation agreement; etc.). > There still needs to be a general meeting to discuss ballot measures. > One meeting or two??? > Warner > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From baalavi at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 10:05:36 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060816153959.53850.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060822170536.45754.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Women must not teach ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060822/us_nm/religion_women_dc --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 10:50:23 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060822170536.45754.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060822175023.83669.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> A couple of points. I'm really, really not enjoying that you Bob are using my subject line to (what I interpret as) snipe at what you apparently don't enjoy about aspects of how people misinterpret and abusively apply the Bible. Could you at minimum please change the subject line and start a new thread? Wouldn't it also be germaine to ask whether other Greens want to recieve this discussion? Secondly, could we change the course of the discussion so that it is not just a pissing contest or a piss on your values contest? What is your underlying point in all this? If you want to complain about how people misinterpret sacred scripture and misapply it and abuse each other with it I'm in complete agreement that that happens in all faith traditions and really in all of life. I believe its because of the aspect of human nature where we want to simplify our lives by figuring out a simple formula and then apply it to every one else's lives around us. When you (Bob) want to say "The Bible is all bad" I see you as making the same mistake - simple formula - apply it to everyone. That downside of trying to control other people's lives via a misinterpretation of the Bible (or other sacred scripture) is only one aspect of what goes on however. Do we need to go into the abundant goodness that flows out of the copious wisdom of The Bible and other faith's sacred scriptures? Why can't we just take a live and let live approach? One of our 10 Key Values as Greens is 'Respect for Diversity' Why not apply that to those who wish to enjoy their love of The Bible as well? 8. RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY We believe it is important to value cultural, ethnic, racial, sexual, religious and spiritual diversity, and to promote the development of respectful relationships across these lines. We believe that the many diverse elements of society should be reflected in our organizations and decision-making bodies, and we support the leadership of people who have been traditionally closed out of leadership roles. We acknowledge and encourage respect for other life forms than our own and the preservation of biodiversity. Love and Peace to all and A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > Women must not teach ... > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060822/us_nm/religion_women_dc > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Member Relationship Management Solutions That Recruit, Engage, and Retain (tm) http://www.getactive.com *************************************** -- Tian http://tianharter.org Latest changes: Got my City Council Campaign Page up. From baalavi at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 13:02:09 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060822175023.83669.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060822200209.46174.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Drew, Let's make a commitment here out in the open: In a tradition of valuing diversity, I will stay off any particular brand of (spirituality?) in this forum, if you would too. Fair enough? ba JamBoi wrote: Wouldn't it also be germaine to ask whether other Greens want to recieve this discussion? --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Aug 22 17:15:33 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: <20060822200209.46174.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060823001533.99538.qmail@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Hmmm... I think that would work for me. My goal is simply for us to treat people of whatever spiritual tradition (or of no spiritual tradition) equally respectfully. I'm not wanting to promote or to demote anyone or any group based on their spirituality or lack thereof. There ARE groups that I see natural alliances with from various faith traditions that I feel free to post event info about, but that's about the extent of anything I would want. I COULD see the value in discussing (in a general way) how we as a Green Party with our varying views (including those expressed here between you and me) find ways to connect with 'mainstream' 'values voters' such as Michael Lerner talks about in "The Left Hand of God", a book I'm reading right now - extremely valuable I think for us Greens to get a handle on. But again it is not promoting or demoting particular spirituality (though it does take aim a bit at The Dominionists, which I see as more of a political movement manipulating religious symbols than an actual spiritual movement). So I'd want to leave room to talk about things like that. Does that work for you? Love and Peace to All! Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > Drew, Let's make a commitment here out in the open: > > In a tradition of valuing diversity, I will stay off any particular > brand of (spirituality?) in this forum, if you would too. Fair > enough? > > ba > > JamBoi wrote: > Wouldn't it also be germaine to > ask whether other Greens want to recieve this discussion? > > > > --------------------------------- > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From WB4D23 at aol.com Tue Aug 22 21:00:12 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:00:12 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Invitations sent to candidates to provide Tapestry Festival literature Message-ID: <3c2.6d508d6.321d2ccc@aol.com> Hi! Below is a copy of the message I have sent to Carol, Todd and all GPCA state office candidates (per my volunteering to do so at our last meeting). Warner ****************************************************************************** ********************* Hi (Name)! The Green Party of Santa Clara County has a booth at the Tapestry Festival in San Jose over Labor Day weekend. This is an arts & crafts and music festival that is attended by about 200,000 people over three days. If you would like copies of your campaign literature distributed at this event, you can mail them to me. Best Wishes! Warner Bloomberg, 867 North Fifth Street, San Jose, CA 95112-5021 P.S. In case you didn't know yet, we are also planning a candidates event in Mountain View on the evening of Tuesday, October 3rd. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Wed Aug 23 10:36:12 2006 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:36:12 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:15:33 -0700 (PDT) >From: JamBoi >To: Bob Alavi , sosfbay-discuss at marla.cagreens.org >Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! >I COULD see the value in discussing (in a general way) how we as a >Green Party with our varying views (including those expressed here >between you and me) find ways to connect with 'mainstream' 'values >voters' such as Michael Lerner talks about in "The Left Hand of God", a >book I'm reading right now - extremely valuable I think for us Greens >to get a handle on. But again it is not promoting or demoting >particular spirituality (though it does take aim a bit at The >Dominionists, which I see as more of a political movement manipulating >religious symbols than an actual spiritual movement). So I'd want to >leave room to talk about things like that. Does that work for you? It seems to me that Dominionism is a natural effect of churches having wealth and political power. Churches being like any other hierarchal organization, they attract self-righteous abusers of power. The Mayans were afflicted, and the Egyptians had it really bad. Dominionism burned "witches" at the stake to steal their land and suppress their medical technology. Dominionism is older than written history. I've read a couple of places that the majority of signers of the US Declaration of Independence subscribed to a religion with no holy text, no evangelism, no organization, and no clergy. It seems to me that wasn't a coincidence. Separation of church from state is easier when there's no church. Cameron From tnharter at ispwest.com Wed Aug 23 11:08:29 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:08:29 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44EC999D.4030705@ispwest.com> Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: >>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:15:33 -0700 (PDT) >>From: JamBoi >>To: Bob Alavi , sosfbay-discuss at marla.cagreens.org >>Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! >> >> > > > > >>I COULD see the value in discussing (in a general way) how we as a >>Green Party with our varying views (including those expressed here >>between you and me) find ways to connect with 'mainstream' 'values >>voters' such as Michael Lerner talks about in "The Left Hand of God", a >>book I'm reading right now - extremely valuable I think for us Greens >>to get a handle on. But again it is not promoting or demoting >>particular spirituality (though it does take aim a bit at The >>Dominionists, which I see as more of a political movement manipulating >>religious symbols than an actual spiritual movement). So I'd want to >>leave room to talk about things like that. Does that work for you? >> >> > >It seems to me that Dominionism is a natural effect of >churches having wealth and political power. Churches being >like any other hierarchal organization, they attract >self-righteous abusers of power. The Mayans were afflicted, >and the Egyptians had it really bad. Dominionism burned "witches" >at the stake to steal their land and suppress their medical >technology. Dominionism is older than written history. > > The Aztecs had a thing where if the problem got too bad the emporer (or whatever his name was) had to bleed from self inflicted wounds as part of the ceremony praying for releif from the poor harvest (or whatever the problem was). My theory is that one of the things that made their system work right was that the guy didn't want to do that, if you see what I mean. >I've read a couple of places that the majority of signers of >the US Declaration of Independence subscribed to a religion >with no holy text, no evangelism, no organization, and no clergy. >It seems to me that wasn't a coincidence. Separation of church >from state is easier when there's no church. > > > Me, I'm working on the separation of oil and state. I think of riding a bicycle as "praying for world peace". -- Tian http://tianharter.org Latest changes: Got my City Council Campaign Page up. From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Wed Aug 23 11:04:09 2006 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:04:09 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tapestry Festival literature Message-ID: A couple of years ago GP of Santa Clara County began including a collection of GP propaganda and truly free computer software on CD in our tabling literature. I'm updating that collection this week for Tapestry. Videos have proven problematic, but PDFs work well. There's a snapshot of the Platform part of GP of Cal's Web site, and the first year we had a copy of Warner's campaign site for off line browsing. If you've got something for this year's Tapestry CD, let me know in the next few days. Also need ideas for updating the flyer that comes with it. http://gandhi.greens.org/cls/tablingcd.pdf Cameron From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 17:49:17 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely spiritual! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060824004917.77670.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Cameron L. Spitzer" wrote: > > >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:15:33 -0700 (PDT) > >From: JamBoi > >To: Bob Alavi , > sosfbay-discuss at marla.cagreens.org > >Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now for something completely > spiritual! > > > >I COULD see the value in discussing (in a general way) how we as a > >Green Party with our varying views (including those expressed here > >between you and me) find ways to connect with 'mainstream' 'values > >voters' such as Michael Lerner talks about in "The Left Hand of > God", a > >book I'm reading right now - extremely valuable I think for us > Greens > >to get a handle on. But again it is not promoting or demoting > >particular spirituality (though it does take aim a bit at The > >Dominionists, which I see as more of a political movement > manipulating > >religious symbols than an actual spiritual movement). So I'd want > to > >leave room to talk about things like that. Does that work for you? > > It seems to me that Dominionism is a natural effect of > churches having wealth and political power. Churches being > like any other hierarchal organization, they attract > self-righteous abusers of power. The Mayans were afflicted, > and the Egyptians had it really bad. Dominionism burned "witches" > at the stake to steal their land and suppress their medical > technology. Dominionism is older than written history. I strongly agree. Essentially its rule by domination, might makes right and some of the oldest forms of religion that we have evidence for fell right into this pit (ie. the Babylonians). > I've read a couple of places that the majority of signers of > the US Declaration of Independence subscribed to a religion > with no holy text, no evangelism, no organization, and no clergy. Yes, that's mostly accurate, although I'd take some issue w/ the 'no organization, and no clergy part'. Deism is the form of spirituality we're refering to. Trancendentalism and Unitarian Universalism and some forms of Humanism are the direct descendents of that movement. So there are at least some legacy organizations some of which have clergy. > It seems to me that wasn't a coincidence. Separation of church > from state is easier when there's no church. Well... I wouldn't go THAT far. Fortunately our constitution guarantees our ability to meet and worship in whatever organizational form we wish. Religious freedom. The problem comes in IMO when the church and state merge (which as Cameron pointed out above indeed tends to happen when religious organizations garner huge amounts of money and power, or alternatively when as the current Dominionist movement has worked political/ideological organizations invade the religious space). It poisons both the church AND the state, and so both people who are serious about their spirituality and people who are serious about their politics do well to take note and avoid this pitfall. > Cameron Love and Peace to All! Drew JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 23 23:51:30 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tapestry Festival literature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060824065130.20644.qmail@web52211.mail.yahoo.com> There certainly must be some things available from Carol Brouillet. I know she told me there were some video things that had been shot (I guess you said video was problematic), and she has a blog. Also I have LOTs of blog material (in case people are unaware, that's kind of my claim to fame - blogging about 11/2 (AKA Fraud '04) and other things about spreadin' democracy to 'murica. ;-) How about articles from our newsletter? How about some campaign lit from our CA GP candidates (as in a the Million Votes for Peace campaigns)? What specifically would you need to make any of this possible? A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- "Cameron L. Spitzer" wrote: > > A couple of years ago GP of Santa Clara County began including > a collection of GP propaganda and truly free computer software on CD > in our tabling literature. I'm updating that collection this > week for Tapestry. Videos have proven problematic, but PDFs > work well. There's a snapshot of the Platform part of GP of Cal's > Web site, and the first year we had a copy of Warner's campaign site > for off line browsing. If you've got something for this year's > Tapestry CD, let me know in the next few days. > > Also need ideas for updating the flyer that comes with it. > http://gandhi.greens.org/cls/tablingcd.pdf > > Cameron > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tnharter at ispwest.com Thu Aug 24 10:16:00 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:16:00 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] KQED is talking about our car addiction! Message-ID: <44EDDED0.9020806@ispwest.com> 88.5 FM right now (10 to 11 AM)! -- Tian http://tianharter.org Latest changes: Got my City Council Campaign Page up. From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Aug 24 14:34:32 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] KQED is talking about our car addiction! In-Reply-To: <44EDDED0.9020806@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <20060824213432.6885.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Which if I'm not mistaken would be Michael Krazny's (sp?) Forum program and will likely get replayed tonight (in either the 9-10, or 10-11 time slot???). A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- Tian Harter wrote: > 88.5 FM right now (10 to 11 AM)! > > -- > Tian > http://tianharter.org > Latest changes: Got my City Council Campaign Page up. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From tnharter at ispwest.com Thu Aug 24 16:12:44 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] KQED is talking about our car addiction! In-Reply-To: <20060824213432.6885.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060824213432.6885.qmail@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44EE326C.4020400@ispwest.com> Their website doesn't say which hour will be repeated this evening. That's the one I'm rooting for! In any case, you can listen or download it from: http://www.kqed.org/programs/program-landing.jsp?progID=RD19 They mentioned a lot of interesting angles. The guests have thought about the topic extensively. I will gladly steal an idea or two from them, if I can remember them. Tian JamBoi wrote: >Which if I'm not mistaken would be Michael Krazny's (sp?) Forum program >and will likely get replayed tonight (in either the 9-10, or 10-11 time >slot???). > >A Million Votes for Peace! > >Drew > >--- Tian Harter wrote: > > > >>88.5 FM right now (10 to 11 AM)! >> >>-- >>Tian >>http://tianharter.org >>Latest changes: Got my City Council Campaign Page up. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> >> > > >JamBoi >Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- Tian http://tianharter.org Latest changes: Got my City Council Campaign Page up. From WB4D23 at aol.com Fri Aug 25 09:30:29 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:30:29 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tapestry Festival literature Message-ID: In a message dated 8/23/06 11:51:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jamboi at yahoo.com writes: What specifically would you need to make any of this possible? Candidates have been invited to provide us with their candidate literature for tabling at Tapestry Festival. IMO, it's up to them to provide it. The GPSCC collectively has the responsibility to provide general literature about the GPCA. Per normal, too few people are left to do too much. Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Per normal, too few people are left to do too much. > Warner > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From WB4D23 at aol.com Fri Aug 25 18:48:02 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:48:02 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Plenary Registration Message-ID: <3c5.6ff15eb.32210252@aol.com> There is now a registration page for the upcoming GPCA General Assembly September 9-10th in South Lake Tahoe at cagreens.org/plenary. Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Warner > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > I now have fliers. I would be glad to give you some for tabling. Can somebody pick them up? If not, who wants them? Where do I put them? -- Tian http://tianharter.org Tian Harter for City Council P.O. Box 391854 Mountain View CA 94039-1854 From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Sat Aug 26 11:46:47 2006 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:46:47 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tapestry Festival literature Message-ID: >From sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org Fri Aug 25 17:23:14 2006 >X-Original-To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:23:02 -0700 (PDT) >From: JamBoi >To: WB4D23 at aol.com, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >In-Reply-To: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tapestry Festival literature >X-BeenThere: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 >Precedence: list >List-Id: GP of Santa Clara County discussion >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: , > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org >Errors-To: sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org >--- WB4D23 at aol.com wrote: >> >> In a message dated 8/23/06 11:51:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> jamboi at yahoo.com writes: >> >> > What specifically would you need to make any of this possible? >> Candidates have been invited to provide us with their candidate >> literature >> for tabling at Tapestry Festival. IMO, it's up to them to provide >> it. The >> GPSCC collectively has the responsibility to provide general >> literature about >> the GPCA. Per normal, too few people are left to do too much. >> Warner >Point taken Warren, but I was asking a technical question about what >kind of computer format, etc. would it need to be in. We need a supply of printed brochures from the candidates. At election time, people come by picking up one of each. Putting them on CD in PDF format is nice, too. People like to email that stuff to their friends. Most computers come with a PDF reader preinstalled, and it prints accurately. That can't be said for word processor formats. Cameron From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 28 08:27:54 2006 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:27:54 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] NY Times Article Message-ID: <44F30B7A.4040400@sbcglobal.net> The New York Times has pulished an article with the cute phrase The new propaganda strategy will be right out of Lewis Carroll: If we leave the country that had nothing to do with 9/11, then 9/11 will happen again. Here is a link to the full article which contains a number of missteps of the Bush administration and predictions of the flaws in the coming PR blitz: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0827-25.htm From jean_comfort at yahoo.com Mon Aug 28 14:32:37 2006 From: jean_comfort at yahoo.com (Jean Comfort) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] SB 1056: URGENT ACTION REQUIRED Message-ID: <20060828213237.93798.qmail@web50703.mail.yahoo.com> URGENT!! ACTION!! CONTACT YOUR STATE SENATOR!! THE CALIFORNIA STATE SENATE IS SET TO VOTE THIS WEEK ON SB 1056 WHICH WILL ALLOW THE STATE TO OVERRIDE WHAT COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES HAVE PASSED REGARDING GMO FOODS. IT IS URGENT THAT THE INDIVIDUAL SENATORS BE CONTACTED IMMEDIATELY TO INFORM THEM OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS' OPINIONS. PLEASE READ UP ON THIS http://tinyurl.com/s75ob AND CONTACT YOUR STATE SENATOR. AND ALSO PASS THIS MESSAGE AROUND TO ANY INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS AND OTHER LISTS OF WHICH YOU ARE A MEMBER. Jean Comfort 48 Lorelei Lane Menlo Park, CA 94025 jean_comfort at yahoo.com (650)323-7188 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Aug 29 18:14:12 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:14:12 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lawn Sign Ideas Message-ID: <44F4E664.5060504@ispwest.com> Hello Y'all, To check out the lawn sign ideas I've worked out today please visit: http://tianharter.org/LawnSignIdeas.html I'd like some feedback about which ones are good, which are bad, and if you have a better idea describe it to me in enough words I can make that one to. If one gets four or more bad votes I'll take it off the list, and if something gets good votes I'll move it up the list. Please vote soon by return email so I'll have a good idea what works. I need to order signs in the next few days to be competative. -- Tian http://tianharter.org Tian Harter for City Council P.O. Box 391854 Mountain View CA 94039-1854 From tnharter at ispwest.com Wed Aug 30 13:27:24 2006 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:27:24 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lawn Sign Ideas In-Reply-To: <44F4E664.5060504@ispwest.com> References: <44F4E664.5060504@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <44F5F4AC.7060907@ispwest.com> Thanks for the many responses I found in my email! I got a lot of suggestions from that page and I've folded them into this page: http://tianharter.org/LawnSignsRound2.html The design is going to be firming up soon now. Feedback is still very valuable! Tian Tian Harter wrote: >Hello Y'all, > >To check out the lawn sign ideas I've worked out today please visit: > >http://tianharter.org/LawnSignIdeas.html > >I'd like some feedback about which ones are good, which are bad, >and if you have a better idea describe it to me in enough words >I can make that one to. If one gets four or more bad votes I'll take >it off the list, and if something gets good votes I'll move it up the >list. Please vote soon by return email so I'll have a good idea what >works. I need to order signs in the next few days to be competative. > > > -- Tian http://tianharter.org Tian Harter for City Council P.O. Box 391854 Mountain View CA 94039-1854 From fredd at freeshell.org Wed Aug 30 15:57:49 2006 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:57:49 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lawn Sign Ideas In-Reply-To: <44F4E664.5060504@ispwest.com> References: <44F4E664.5060504@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <44F617ED.2050001@freeshell.org> Tian, I tried your URL with no success. Any suggestions? Fred Thanks for the many responses I found in my email! I got a lot of suggestions from that page and I've folded them into this page: http://tianharter.org/LawnSignsRound2.html The design is going to be firming up soon now. Feedback is still very valuable! Tian Tian Harter wrote: >Hello Y'all, > >To check out the lawn sign ideas I've worked out today please visit: > >http://tianharter.org/LawnSignIdeas.html > >I'd like some feedback about which ones are good, which are bad, >and if you have a better idea describe it to me in enough words >I can make that one to. If one gets four or more bad votes I'll take >it off the list, and if something gets good votes I'll move it up the >list. Please vote soon by return email so I'll have a good idea what >works. I need to order signs in the next few days to be competative. > > > -- Tian http://tianharter.org Tian Harter for City Council P.O. Box 391854 Mountain View CA 94039-1854 _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From baalavi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 16:48:53 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Tian for MV City Council Message-ID: <20060830234853.41118.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Tian will need VOTES (on Nov. 7) to get into Mountain View City Council. One of our stints will be a Caravan-bike-ride. Any ideas or suggestions -- specially participants -- to that end will be apprecited. Bob 1. My 2 Cents -- I think a large Caravan in MAJOR STREETS may be okay. I think "small groups" of two or three down the neighborhoods may even be better. --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 17:45:31 2006 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes for Peace! In-Reply-To: <20060830234853.41118.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060831004531.12381.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> I suggest we add Carol (Brouillet for Congress, Dist 14 v Anna Eshoo http://www.carolforcongress.org/ ) to this great idea. Not to mention our state wide campaign for A Million Votes for Peace! (ie. Chretien for US Senate, v DiFi, Camejo for Gov, Donna Warren for Lieutenant Governor, Forrest Hill for Secretary of State, Mehul Thakker for State Treasurer, Larry Cafiero for Insurance Commissioner, Mike Wyman for Attorney General, Jeff Kravitz for CA Congressional District 5). "A Million Votes for Peace" is a simple catchy slogan that we could easily incorporate, and we could probably even get some of Carol's folks out to help out. http://www.cagreens.org/marin/ http://www.votecamejo.com/links.html A Million Votes for Peace! Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > Hi > > Tian will need VOTES (on Nov. 7) to get into Mountain View City > Council. One of our stints will be a Caravan-bike-ride. Any ideas > or suggestions -- specially participants -- to that end will be > apprecited. > > Bob > > 1. My 2 Cents -- I think a large Caravan in MAJOR STREETS may be > okay. I think "small groups" of two or three down the neighborhoods > may even be better. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! > Small Business.> _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Aug 30 18:54:40 2006 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:54:40 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes for Peace! In-Reply-To: <20060831004531.12381.qmail@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Bike Trailers with big honking signs would be a real attention grabber along Central Expwy and other commute routes during rush hour. Also, I've been working out a design for a billboard that can be displayed over the roof of a car parked along commuter routes. The supporting posts are fastened through the windows. Tian, your heart poster is great. If you can afford it, a red heart is better than a black heart I think. Also the lower right edge of your heart graphic is a little ragged; otherwise it's great. World Can't Wait is planning a major joyful creative anarchithon Oct 5 in San Francisco. Many of the San Mateo county Greens are involved It'll be a good propagandizing opportunity, and a lot of fun. On the 9/11 front we've got major events 9/7, 9/9, 9/11, 9/12, and 9/24. Check Carol's website http://www.communitycurrency.org/events.html for details. Brian >From: JamBoi >To: Bob Alavi , sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes for >Peace! >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:45:31 -0700 (PDT) > >I suggest we add Carol (Brouillet for Congress, Dist 14 v Anna Eshoo >http://www.carolforcongress.org/ ) to this great idea. Not to mention >our state wide campaign for A Million Votes for Peace! (ie. Chretien >for US Senate, v DiFi, Camejo for Gov, > Donna Warren for Lieutenant Governor, Forrest Hill for Secretary of >State, Mehul Thakker for State Treasurer, Larry Cafiero for Insurance >Commissioner, Mike Wyman for Attorney General, Jeff Kravitz for CA >Congressional District 5). "A Million Votes for Peace" is a simple >catchy slogan that we could easily incorporate, and we could probably >even get some of Carol's folks out to help out. > >http://www.cagreens.org/marin/ >http://www.votecamejo.com/links.html > >A Million Votes for Peace! > >Drew > >--- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Tian will need VOTES (on Nov. 7) to get into Mountain View City > > Council. One of our stints will be a Caravan-bike-ride. Any ideas > > or suggestions -- specially participants -- to that end will be > > apprecited. > > > > Bob > > > > 1. My 2 Cents -- I think a large Caravan in MAJOR STREETS may be > > okay. I think "small groups" of two or three down the neighborhoods > > may even be better. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! > > Small Business.> _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > >JamBoi >Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline From baalavi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 19:38:27 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes for Peace! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060831023827.82739.qmail@web52115.mail.yahoo.com> I am for it all. Who is the contact for Carol? If we play the cards right, we may even start "early" -- in September, instead of waiting for Octobrt. The more, the merrier. I agree with the Heart sign, then already had called Tian, and left a phone message to that end. Heart will grab the visual attention. Then HOPEFULLY Harter will piggyback on that and stay in minds. I even suggestes to consider leaving off as much of everything else just to drive the "Name-ID" as far and wide as possible. I was thinking of even either "finding" or making some HEART SHAPE KITES to fly in local parks, and leave them flying ... ba Brian Good wrote: Hi, Bike Trailers with big honking signs would be a real attention grabber along Central Expwy and other commute routes during rush hour. Also, I've been working out a design for a billboard that can be displayed over the roof of a car parked along commuter routes. The supporting posts are fastened through the windows. Tian, your heart poster is great. If you can afford it, a red heart is better than a black heart I think. Also the lower right edge of your heart graphic is a little ragged; otherwise it's great. World Can't Wait is planning a major joyful creative anarchithon Oct 5 in San Francisco. Many of the San Mateo county Greens are involved It'll be a good propagandizing opportunity, and a lot of fun. On the 9/11 front we've got major events 9/7, 9/9, 9/11, 9/12, and 9/24. Check Carol's website http://www.communitycurrency.org/events.html for details. Brian >From: JamBoi >To: Bob Alavi , sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes for >Peace! >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:45:31 -0700 (PDT) > >I suggest we add Carol (Brouillet for Congress, Dist 14 v Anna Eshoo >http://www.carolforcongress.org/ ) to this great idea. Not to mention >our state wide campaign for A Million Votes for Peace! (ie. Chretien >for US Senate, v DiFi, Camejo for Gov, > Donna Warren for Lieutenant Governor, Forrest Hill for Secretary of >State, Mehul Thakker for State Treasurer, Larry Cafiero for Insurance >Commissioner, Mike Wyman for Attorney General, Jeff Kravitz for CA >Congressional District 5). "A Million Votes for Peace" is a simple >catchy slogan that we could easily incorporate, and we could probably >even get some of Carol's folks out to help out. > >http://www.cagreens.org/marin/ >http://www.votecamejo.com/links.html > >A Million Votes for Peace! > >Drew > >--- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Tian will need VOTES (on Nov. 7) to get into Mountain View City > > Council. One of our stints will be a Caravan-bike-ride. Any ideas > > or suggestions -- specially participants -- to that end will be > > apprecited. > > > > Bob > > > > 1. My 2 Cents -- I think a large Caravan in MAJOR STREETS may be > > okay. I think "small groups" of two or three down the neighborhoods > > may even be better. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! > > Small Business.> _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > >JamBoi >Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _________________________________________________________________ Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Aug 30 20:36:31 2006 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:36:31 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes forPeace! In-Reply-To: <20060831023827.82739.qmail@web52115.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Kites. I love it. I've been thinking a few helium balloons could raise banners very visibly, for instance in Freeway zones. How much does a tank of helium cost? I could get a lot of people to buy shares. Carol's contact is Carol. cbrouillet at igc.org. 650-857-0927 If you can't get get through to her, call me 650.327.6214 and I can usually get her to pick up the phone. Brian >From: Bob Alavi >To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes >forPeace! >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:38:27 -0700 (PDT) > >I am for it all. Who is the contact for Carol? > > If we play the cards right, we may even start "early" -- in September, >instead of waiting for Octobrt. The more, the merrier. > > I agree with the Heart sign, then already had called Tian, and left a >phone message to that end. Heart will grab the visual attention. Then >HOPEFULLY Harter will piggyback on that and stay in minds. I even >suggestes to consider leaving off as much of everything else just to drive >the "Name-ID" as far and wide as possible. > > I was thinking of even either "finding" or making some HEART SHAPE KITES >to fly in local parks, and leave them flying ... > > ba > > > >Brian Good wrote: > >Hi, > >Bike Trailers with big honking signs would be a real attention grabber >along >Central Expwy and other commute routes during rush hour. > >Also, I've been working out a design for a billboard that can be displayed >over the roof of a car parked along commuter routes. The supporting posts >are fastened through the windows. > >Tian, your heart poster is great. If you can afford it, a red heart is >better >than a black heart I think. Also the lower right edge of your heart graphic >is a little ragged; otherwise it's great. > >World Can't Wait is planning a major joyful creative anarchithon Oct 5 >in San Francisco. Many of the San Mateo county Greens are involved >It'll be a good propagandizing opportunity, and a lot of fun. > >On the 9/11 front we've got major events 9/7, 9/9, 9/11, 9/12, and 9/24. >Check Carol's website http://www.communitycurrency.org/events.html >for details. > >Brian > > > > >From: JamBoi > >To: Bob Alavi , sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > >Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes for > >Peace! > >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:45:31 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I suggest we add Carol (Brouillet for Congress, Dist 14 v Anna Eshoo > >http://www.carolforcongress.org/ ) to this great idea. Not to mention > >our state wide campaign for A Million Votes for Peace! (ie. Chretien > >for US Senate, v DiFi, Camejo for Gov, > > Donna Warren for Lieutenant Governor, Forrest Hill for Secretary of > >State, Mehul Thakker for State Treasurer, Larry Cafiero for Insurance > >Commissioner, Mike Wyman for Attorney General, Jeff Kravitz for CA > >Congressional District 5). "A Million Votes for Peace" is a simple > >catchy slogan that we could easily incorporate, and we could probably > >even get some of Carol's folks out to help out. > > > >http://www.cagreens.org/marin/ > >http://www.votecamejo.com/links.html > > > >A Million Votes for Peace! > > > >Drew > > > >--- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > Tian will need VOTES (on Nov. 7) to get into Mountain View City > > > Council. One of our stints will be a Caravan-bike-ride. Any ideas > > > or suggestions -- specially participants -- to that end will be > > > apprecited. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > 1. My 2 Cents -- I think a large Caravan in MAJOR STREETS may be > > > okay. I think "small groups" of two or three down the neighborhoods > > > may even be better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! > > > Small Business.> _______________________________________________ > > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > > > > >JamBoi > >Jammy The Sacred Cows Slayer > > > >"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > >http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ > >sosfbay-discuss mailing list > >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > >_________________________________________________________________ >Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE >http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline > >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > >--------------------------------- >Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _________________________________________________________________ Get real-time traffic reports with Windows Live Local Search http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=42.336065~-109.392273&style=r&lvl=4&scene=3712634&trfc=1 From baalavi at yahoo.com Wed Aug 30 21:16:27 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes forPeace! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060831041628.96447.qmail@web52110.mail.yahoo.com> Yo Brian, Drew and all. Thanks for the note. The last time I bought a Small Helium Tank was in 2004 for Stephanie around $25. It didn't have "much" capacity. Did about 50 ordinary size baloons. Tank was not re-usable! :( In this case, we may be able to go for a reusable/refillable industrial size large helium tank -- I don't have a clue where or how much -- then share the cost proportionately amongst candidates. I like the idea of bicycle trailer trains. I saw a mom on her bike with a bike trailer & kid pedaling, AND PULLING a third "child trailer (with little kid riding). It was an awesome attention grabbing train. Very Unique. She was Northbound on "Church" going from MV towards Palo ALto when I saw her crossing Shoreline. Also, for Tian (Harter), we have pretty much picked a HEART shape as an attention grabbing campaign theme. What should we pick for Carol? Any ideas? Bob Brian Good wrote: Hi Bob, Kites. I love it. I've been thinking a few helium balloons could raise banners very visibly, for instance in Freeway zones. How much does a tank of helium cost? I could get a lot of people to buy shares. Carol's contact is Carol. cbrouillet at igc.org. 650-857-0927 If you can't get get through to her, call me 650.327.6214 and I can usually get her to pick up the phone. Brian >From: Bob Alavi >To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes >forPeace! >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:38:27 -0700 (PDT) > >I am for it all. Who is the contact for Carol? > > If we play the cards right, we may even start "early" -- in September, >instead of waiting for Octobrt. The more, the merrier. > > I agree with the Heart sign, then already had called Tian, and left a >phone message to that end. Heart will grab the visual attention. Then >HOPEFULLY Harter will piggyback on that and stay in minds. I even >suggestes to consider leaving off as much of everything else just to drive >the "Name-ID" as far and wide as possible. > > I was thinking of even either "finding" or making some HEART SHAPE KITES >to fly in local parks, and leave them flying ... > > ba > > > >Brian Good wrote: > >Hi, > >Bike Trailers with big honking signs would be a real attention grabber >along >Central Expwy and other commute routes during rush hour. > >Also, I've been working out a design for a billboard that can be displayed >over the roof of a car parked along commuter routes. The supporting posts >are fastened through the windows. > >Tian, your heart poster is great. If you can afford it, a red heart is >better >than a black heart I think. Also the lower right edge of your heart graphic >is a little ragged; otherwise it's great. > >World Can't Wait is planning a major joyful creative anarchithon Oct 5 >in San Francisco. Many of the San Mateo county Greens are involved >It'll be a good propagandizing opportunity, and a lot of fun. > >On the 9/11 front we've got major events 9/7, 9/9, 9/11, 9/12, and 9/24. >Check Carol's website http://www.communitycurrency.org/events.html >for details. > >Brian > > > > >From: JamBoi > >To: Bob Alavi , sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > >Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bike for Carol & Tian & A Million Votes for > >Peace! > >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:45:31 -0700 (PDT) > > > >I suggest we add Carol (Brouillet for Congress, Dist 14 v Anna Eshoo > >http://www.carolforcongress.org/ ) to this great idea. Not to mention > >our state wide campaign for A Million Votes for Peace! (ie. Chretien > >for US Senate, v DiFi, Camejo for Gov, > > Donna Warren for Lieutenant Governor, Forrest Hill for Secretary of > >State, Mehul Thakker for State Treasurer, Larry Cafiero for Insurance > >Commissioner, Mike Wyman for Attorney General, Jeff Kravitz for CA > >Congressional District 5). "A Million Votes for Peace" is a simple > >catchy slogan that we could easily incorporate, and we could probably > >even get some of Carol's folks out to help out. > > > >http://www.cagreens.org/marin/ > >http://www.votecamejo.com/links.html > > > >A Million Votes for Peace! > > > >Drew > > > >--- Bob Alavi wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > Tian will need VOTES (on Nov. 7) to get into Mountain View City > > > Council. One of our stints will be a Caravan-bike-ride. Any ideas > > > or suggestions -- specially participants -- to that end will be > > > apprecited. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > 1. My 2 Cents -- I think a large Caravan in MAJOR STREETS may be > > > okay. I think "small groups" of two or three down the neighborhoods > > > may even be better. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gerry From baalavi at yahoo.com Thu Aug 31 07:43:22 2006 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The largest BioWeapons facility in the world Message-ID: <20060831144322.34409.qmail@web52114.mail.yahoo.com> The US government is planning on building the largest bioweapons facility in the world in Frederick, MD - a county of 200,000 people 40 miles from the White House. The current Ft. Detrick has had repeated problems with security as well as with water, air and land pollution. This immense facility may likely spur a bioweapons arms race. For more on this see: http://kevinzeese. com/content/ view/138/ 34/. http://www.herald- mail.com/ ?module=displays tory&story_id=145925&format=html --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sas at alumni.brown.edu Wed Aug 30 10:51:40 2006 From: sas at alumni.brown.edu (Stephanie Schaaf) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lawn Sign Ideas In-Reply-To: <44F4E664.5060504@ispwest.com> References: <44F4E664.5060504@ispwest.com> Message-ID: Hi Tian, Fun! My favorites are #s 4 & 5. If you are running to win, I think #2 is out, though of course I personally like it. I'd also stay away from the word "activist" which unfortunately scares some people. I love how you have a built-in logo, like Matt Pear did :) Stephanie On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Tian Harter wrote: > Hello Y'all, > > To check out the lawn sign ideas I've worked out today please visit: > > http://tianharter.org/LawnSignIdeas.html > > I'd like some feedback about which ones are good, which are bad, > and if you have a better idea describe it to me in enough words > I can make that one to. If one gets four or more bad votes I'll take > it off the list, and if something gets good votes I'll move it up the > list. Please vote soon by return email so I'll have a good idea what > works. I need to order signs in the next few days to be competative. > > -- Stephanie Schaaf 225 E. Santa Inez Ave #5 San Mateo, CA 94401 Home: 650-342-0674 From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Aug 31 11:24:09 2006 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Request for Agenda Items Message-ID: <44F72949.60900@earthlink.net> Please submit your agenda items for the Thursday September 7th meeting. Deadline for submissions is Monday 8/4. I would appreciate it if you would include time estimate(s) and presenter(s). Thanks, Gerry From fredd at freeshell.org Thu Aug 31 13:12:23 2006 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:12:23 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Request for Agenda Items Message-ID: <44F742A7.401@freeshell.org> Gerry, et all, Please put the October 3, Green Party Candidates Forum on the agenda. Allocate about 35 minutes for discussion and decision making. I have two items that should probably be discussed prior to the 09/07/06 meeting: 1) We should decide how the October 3 event after expenses proceeds should be shared with the Camejo and other campaigns. The candidates should know what we decide; and 2) Regarding the ten candidate info items for the Newsletter, the biogs have been written on email but are not presentable enough, "camera ready," as typed. Also, the average number of words for each candidate is about 170, many of them in the 9-12 letter category. Who and how the will the Newsletter copy be produced? Are these items things that must be discussed and decided at the GPSCC monthly meeting, or by the County Council? The Adobe Building has been reserved for at least a month. Today, I will prepay the rent, insurance, cleanup fee and the deposit. Fred D. Please submit your agenda items for the Thursday September 7th meeting. Deadline for submissions is Monday 8/4. I would appreciate it if you would include time estimate(s) and presenter(s). Thanks, Gerry _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From WB4D23 at aol.com Thu Aug 31 17:37:29 2006 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:37:29 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Request for Agenda Items Message-ID: <326.b019733.3228dac9@aol.com> In a message dated 8/31/06 11:26:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gerrygras at earthlink.net writes: Please submit your agenda items for the Thursday September 7th meeting. Deadline for submissions is Monday 8/4. Ballot Measures Positions: 30 minutes Warner Plenary Issue re GPUS Affiliation Agreement 10 minutes Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: