From baalavi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 04:52:43 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 04:52:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Today, Feb. 1, 2007 is the Virtual March against the war Message-ID: <390020.67128.qm@web52111.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ TODAY (Feb 1) IS THE VIRTUAL MARCH AGAINST THE WAR. Can you dial both your senators phone #s from this list and express your wish to stop the war now? You will have been serving your own best interest when doing that. http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newseek.cgi?site=ctc&state=ca Then you may call your congressperson too. --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Thu Feb 1 07:21:09 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:21:09 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] agenda item - logging proposal near Los Gatos Message-ID: Sorry for the short notice. San Jose Water Company wants to cash in a thousand acres of mature second growth redwood on its property between Lexington Reservoir and Summit Road. Bad idea. Green Party needs to get in the public record against it, maybe take other actions. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/16559963.htm Looks like we missed the public comment hearing. Cameron From egroups at duendevision.com Thu Feb 1 08:34:25 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:34:25 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nancy Pelosi appoints..... In-Reply-To: <45B8D61C.7080406@charter.net> References: <45B8D61C.7080406@charter.net> Message-ID: <45C21691.7070608@duendevision.com> Wes Rolley wrote: > For those who thought that the Democratic Congress would bring any > change, I have news for you...The new chairman of the House Committee on > Foreigh Affairs is Tom Lantos. If one expects a more peaceful approach > to foreign policy, based on reclaiming the moral authority that the > United States once had, and that this administration squandered, you > will not get that from Lantos. If anyone expects a even-handed, > un-biases view toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, you will not get > that from Tom Lantos. > > When all of the efforts of Pat Gray and others (mostly Democrats with > ethnic backgrounds) to unseat Lantos failed in 2004, we did not pay too > much of a price since the Reublicans controlled things anyway. Now, > however, as Chairman of that committee, Lantos is in a position to do > irreparable harm. > Long time no annoy Wes... but I'm going to star right away :-) What moral authority did the US have? Certainly not to the countries whose resources we wanted.. nor to Iran, nor to Chile or Costa Rica or even our own colony of Hawaii.. I do believe the list goes on. I do know we managed to delude some countries into thinking we actually might be moral but we let them down every time. As far as Lantos...what a disaster... but he only reflects the disaster Pelosi is and bigger yet the tragedy that there are still those that think a solution may exist in any but a few of the democratic leader ship. They are for the most part capitalist predators, the degree just varies. Peace Dude Duende Aka Roy From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 16:57:21 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:57:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nancy Pelosi appoints..... In-Reply-To: <45C21691.7070608@duendevision.com> Message-ID: <781765.58361.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> That's why we Greens have to start getting our act together and get ourselves into Congress, etc.! No more pussy footing around. Its time to start winning elections and gaining real governance power. Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew --- Duende wrote: > Wes Rolley wrote: > > For those who thought that the Democratic Congress would bring any > > change, I have news for you...The new chairman of the House > Committee on > > Foreigh Affairs is Tom Lantos. If one expects a more peaceful > approach > > to foreign policy, based on reclaiming the moral authority that the > > > United States once had, and that this administration squandered, > you > > will not get that from Lantos. If anyone expects a even-handed, > > un-biases view toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, you will > not get > > that from Tom Lantos. > > > > When all of the efforts of Pat Gray and others (mostly Democrats > with > > ethnic backgrounds) to unseat Lantos failed in 2004, we did not > pay too > > much of a price since the Reublicans controlled things anyway. > Now, > > however, as Chairman of that committee, Lantos is in a position to > do > > irreparable harm. > > > Long time no annoy Wes... but I'm going to star right away :-) > > What moral authority did the US have? Certainly not to the countries > whose resources we wanted.. nor to Iran, nor to Chile or Costa Rica > or > even our own colony of Hawaii.. I do believe the list goes on. I do > know > we managed to delude some countries into thinking we actually might > be > moral but we let them down every time. > > > As far as Lantos...what a disaster... but he only reflects the > disaster > Pelosi is and bigger yet the tragedy that there are still those that > think a solution may exist in any but a few of the democratic leader > ship. They are for the most part capitalist predators, the degree > just > varies. > > Peace Dude > > Duende > > Aka > > Roy > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 18:17:12 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:17:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] My proposed amendments to our Impeachment Resolution Message-ID: <510935.15143.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> The GPSCC's current impeacment resolution text: http://cagreens.org/sclara/#fulltext I propose to amend the GPSCC resolution to impeach members of the Bush administration by including Rice in the list of impeachees and the handling of Katrina and Global Warming to the list of high crimes and misdemeanors via the following four points: 1) Change the wording in the intro paragrapgh from "..demanding the impeachment of George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney and two complicit associates." Amend to read: "..demanding the impeachment of George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney and three complicit associates." 2) Include Rice in the impeachees: Current reading: "Whereas, in the conduct of their offices, President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales,..." To be amended to read: "Whereas, in the conduct of their offices, President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales,..." 3) Add new point 1 & 10, renumbering all accordingly: 1. ELECTION FRAUD AND ILLEGITAMATE SEIZING OF POWER: Never elected and stole both the 2000 and 2004 elections, the Bush/Cheney administration seized power in a grand coup. Fabricated the false impression of majority popular support for their policies through lies to the American public and illegal propaganda in the American Media. 9. MALFEASANT MISLEADERSHIP RE: KATRINA AND GLOBAL WARMING Incredible malfeasance prior to, during and after hurricane Katrina - a preventable social disaster. More than 3,000 Human beings dead or missing, the destruction of a major US city, sabotaging the rescue efforts, dominating and enslaving the victims, and doling out the windfall profits to corporate cronies in the aftermath; Misusing government resources to ignore and even hasten the oncoming Global Warming imperiling Humanity itself and many species on planet Earth. 4) Five impeachees, not four And finally... "Therefore, the Green Party of Santa Clara County demands the impeachment and consequent removal from office of the four aforementioned officials. " To be amended to read: " Therefore, the Green Party of Santa Clara County demands the impeachment and consequent removal from office of the five aforementioned officials. " ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From tnharter at ispwest.com Fri Feb 2 01:04:30 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:04:30 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Important Activist Letter for January: Stop Logging in Los Gatos Creek] Message-ID: <45C2FE9E.80101@ispwest.com> Here is that piece I promised to forward at the meeting this evening. -- Tian Latest change: added Saturday's San Francisco peace march pictures. http://tian.greens.org -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: CandiceBasham Subject: Important Activist Letter for January: Stop Logging in Los Gatos Creek Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:45:54 -0800 Size: 38721 URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 2 11:58:17 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:58:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Chron: Global warming likely man-made, new study finds Message-ID: <432693.94068.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Global warming likely man-made, new study finds Jane Kay, Chronicle Environment Writer Friday, February 2, 2007 (02-02) 09:39 PST SAN FRANCISCO -- An international body of climate scientists issued somber findings today that even more strongly confirm that Earth's rising air and ocean temperatures are very likely due to the increase in emissions from the burning of fossil fuels. Even if the industrial nations start to immediately reduce emissions of carbon dioxide, methane and other greenhouse gases, the past and future gases will continue to contribute to global warming and the rise of oceans for more than 1,000 years, according to a long-awaited report released in Paris. "Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level,'' said the report, a summary of four volumes of study representing the most-up-to-date knowledge on climate change. The scientists credit improved worldwide computer modeling that confirm measurements on the ground, satellite data and ice core borings dating back 650,000 years with helping to build a picture of what has been happening to the planet. Some of the findings: -- Arctic temperatures increased at almost twice the global rate in the past 100 years. The extent of the sea ice has shrunk nearly 3 percent per decade since 1978. Temperatures in the top layer of permafrost have increased since the 1980s, and the maximum area covered by seasonally frozen ground has decreased by about 7 percent in the Northern Hemisphere since 1900 with a decrease in spring of up to 15 percent. -- Precipitation has significantly increased in eastern parts of North and South America, northern Europe and northern and central Asia. Drying has been seen in the Sahel, the Mediterranean, southern Africa and parts of southern Asia. Other regions are showing a high variability in rain and snowfall. -- Mid-latitude westerly winds have strengthened in both hemispheres since the 1960s, and more intense and longer droughts have been observed over wide areas, particularly in the tropics and subtropics, since the 1970s. -- Widespread changes in extreme temperatures have been observed over the last 50 years as cold days, cold nights and frost have become less frequent, while hot days, hot nights and heat waves have become more frequent. Richard Somerville, a climate scientist at Scripps Institution of Oceanography and a coordinating lead author of a section of the report, said it seemed likely that these events would "carry on through the 21st century and continue to grow and become more serious as time goes by.'' The release of the international assessment, heralded by shutting off lights in the Eiffel Tower for five minutes as the scientists rushed to finish, comes after six years of work and is built on a previous dozen years of study by hundreds of researchers from more than 100 nations. In the next two month, two more bodies of work dealing with different aspects of climate change will be released. This part of the fourth assessment by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or the IPCC, formed by the United Nations' Environment Program and World Meteorological Organization in 1988 to support a framework for study approved by the world's nations, including the United States. E-mail to Jane Kay at jkay at sfchronicle.com. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 2 12:02:39 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:02:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Draft - GP RELEASE Global warming: Bush is doing to world what he did to New Orleans Message-ID: <323271.2157.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> NOTE TO ALL: the GPUS is about to put out a press release asserting that BushCo's negligent conduct viz Global Warming is INDEED an impeachable offence! So we are not breaking any new ground by following suite in our impeachment resolution! Green solidarity! Drew Draft - GP RELEASE Global warming: Bush is doing to world what he did to New Orleans Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:28:20 -0800 (PST) Hi folks Look this over & send edits. Let me know if anything essential is missing, but let's keep it concise & focused. We need two quote volunteers & the usual Steering & Platform committee approvals. Scott * * * * * GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES http://www.gp.org For Immediate Release: Monday, February 5, 2007 Contacts: Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, mclarty at greens.org Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene at gp.org Greens call Bush's tampering with scientific research on global warming an impeachable offense ? Congress must hold Bush accountable for placing U.S. and world at risk by manipulating scientific reports to fit reckless, pro-corporate energy policies ? "Bush is doing to the world what he did to New Orleans" WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Green Party leaders demanded that Congress hold the Bush Administration accountable for tampering with scientific research on global warming, calling President Bush's interference and dishonesty an impeachable conspiracy to commit 'high crimes and misdemeanors.' "The Bush Administration is doing to the whole world what it did to New Orleans as Katrina began to descend on the city," said _______. "By altering scientific research on global warming to fit his political agenda, President Bush has aggravated an impending environmental, public health, and security crisis. Greens cited mounting evidence and testimony of such tampering, including complaints from more than 120 scientists from seven federal agencies that they've been pressured to remove references to global warming from research reports, press releases, and communications with Congress . Last week, scientists from 113 countries meeting at the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in Paris warned that destructive effects of global warming, in which human consumption of energy has led to a global concentration of carbon dioxide, methane, and other greenhouse gases in the earth's atmosphere, were probably inevitable, with a likely temperature rises of 3.2-7.1 degrees Fahrenheit . (Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: ) "Congress must recognize the Bush Administration's tampering with studies on global warming and other scientific research as an impeachable offense," said _______. "Ever since Vice President Cheney initiated private meetings with oil company representatives to determine energy policy, the administration has placed the demands for corporate profits over urgent human and environmental needs." Green Party leaders called recent news of a White House directive that gave President Bush greater control over the rules and policy statements that federal government agencies develop to protect the environment, public health, and safety (as well as civil rights and privacy) further indication that the Bush Administration was manipulating public policy in these areas to benefit favored corporate interests. The Green Party has called for the U.S. to sign on to the Kyoto accords and to take the lead on a 70% reduction of CO2 emissions, as well as a rapid transition to clean and secure alternative energy sources, energy conservation, reduced reliance on cars, and a phase-out on fossil fuel dependence and nuclear energy. The party advocates restructuring of local, national, and global economies, with investment and creation of new jobs in conservation and conversion to renewable solar and wind power, taxes on fossil fuel consumption, and bans on new drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other wilderness areas. Greens have already called for impeachment of President Bush and Vice President for deceiving the public about the U.S.'s reasons for invading Iraq and numerous other abuses of power. News of a proposed law giving U.S. and U.K. oil companies lucrative 30-year deals to extract Iraqi oil has confirmed that oil company interests are driving U.S. energy policy, and that desire for U.S. corporate control over Iraqi oil fields was a major motivation for the Iraq War . MORE INFORMATION Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org 1700 Connecticut Avenue NW, Suite 404 Washington, DC 20009. 202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN Fax 202-319-7193 Green Party News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml ~ END ~ ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 2 12:04:29 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:04:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Copy of Peter Phillips press release from his 11/06 talk in San Jose Message-ID: <20070202200429.4188.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> --- MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote: > From: MKmusic03 at aol.com > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 04:29:41 EST > Subject: Copy of Peter Phillips press release from his 11/06 talk in > San Jose > To: fredd at freeshell.org, jamboi at yahoo.com > CC: MKmusic03 at aol.com > > Hi Fred & Drew, > > The following is a copy of the press release I sent to the media for > the talk > Peter Phillips gave in San Jose in November for SBM. > > I sent it to: > Mercury News > Metro Newspaper > Ch. 11 TV > Ch. 4 TV > Ch. 5 TV > > Merriam > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > For immediate release Contact: Merriam Kathaleen > November 9, 2006 South Bay > Mobilization > > 408-482-6032 > > mkmusic03 at aol.com > > DR. PETER PHILLIPS, SOCIOLOGY PROFESSOR AT SONOMA STATE UNIVERSITY, > TO SPEAK > IN SAN JOSE ON IMPEACHING BUSH AND CHENEY > > Dr. Phillips is the editor and co-author of the new book, "IMPEACH > THE > PRESIDENT: THE CASE AGAINST BUSH AND CHENEY." He will discuss the 12 > reasons why > Bush and Cheney must be impeached. > > Dr. Phillips will present the case against President Bush and > Vice-president > Cheney on Friday, November 10, from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at SEIU Local > 715 Hall, > 2302 Zanker Road, San Jose, CA. > > Dr. Phillips is available for interviews from 6:30pm to 7:pm. > > > > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 2 12:12:11 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:12:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Voices for the Woods: Fr. front page news in The Los Gatos News Message-ID: <20070202201211.6832.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Following up on Tian's call for letters by Feb 7th, and Cameron's call for the GP getting involved and on record against this proposal... Voices for the woods Environmentalists gathered Wednesday in front of a meeting where officials debated logging in the Santa Cruz Mountains. http://thelosgatosnews.net/article/2007-2-2-lg-logging Friday Feb 2 Activists rail against water firm's logging plan By Kristen Munson / LGN Staff Opponents of a proposed logging plan in the Santa Cruz Mountains have unveiled what they call "ironclad proof" San Jose Water Co. cannot legally obtain a permit to log 1,002 acres of the Los Gatos Creek watershed. Members of the grass-roots group, Neighbors Against Irresponsible Logging, used laptops set up outside a public hearing Wednesday to show aerial photographs and digital maps of the 6,500 acres the water company owns in the Santa Cruz Mountains. They believe their findings demonstrate that the company owns 2,754 acres of timberland - 254 acres more than it can own and be eligible for the sort of logging permit the company is seeking from the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. "This is even an underestimate," said Adelia Barber, a doctoral student at University of California, Santa Cruz. Barber used Google Earth to map the land and designate areas of redwood and Douglas fir trees as timberland. Previous analysis Matt Dias, the forester who helped write the logging proposal, said the issue was already addressed when the water company submitted the non-industrial timber management plan to the state Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. Big Creek Lumber forestry staff conducted its own analysis using air photo interpretation and determined that the company owns about 2,000 acres of timberland, Dias wrote in an e-mail Thursday. The water company submitted the plan to log the watershed after an inspection showed the unmanaged forest was a fire hazard. Officials say by thinning the forest, fire hazards on the land will be reduced and water quality will be improved. Log, then grow Under the plan, the watershed would be divided into nine sections to be logged once every 15 years for a six-week period. Before an area could be logged again, the amount harvested must first grow back. But hundreds of mountain residents and their supporters attended a hearing at the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors' office Wednesday to voice their concerns about the plan. For four hours, they claimed it increases the risk of fire and landslides, reduces water quality and limits access to roads to small communities in the hills. "These lifelines must be preserved," mountain resident Morgan Kessler said. "I'm nothing short of appalled (at) this plan moving forward." But, a handful of people lauded the logging plan. "When I heard it was Big Creek Lumber, I knew (the plan) was good," said Sue Holt, professor of environmental science at Cabrillo College. Holt visited one of the logging company's previously harvested areas and urged residents to tour one of the sites. Logging practices in Santa Clara County are among "the best in the world," she said, adding that responsible logging reduces the need to import timber from Canada where standards are not as stringent. Lowell Webb, a 70-year resident of the mountains, urged the department to approve the plan if it meets state standards. "I don't think San Jose Water Co. is shooting itself in the foot like some say," he said. "Not everyone is involved with what NAIL has to say even though we live in the same place." The revenue generated from logging - estimated to be $500,000 every other year - will fund fire mitigation treatments for the rest of the watershed land the company owns, officials said. "We believe it to be a sound, prudent, and necessary long-term land management plan that will ultimately benefit the company, community and environment," said John Tang, community projects liaison for the water company. The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection is not expected to make a decision on the logging plan until the spring. E-mail Kristen Munson at kmunson at dailynewsgroup.com. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail From tnharter at ispwest.com Fri Feb 2 16:35:50 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:35:50 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Draft - GP RELEASE Global warming: Bush is doingto world what he did to New Orleans References: 323271.2157.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com Message-ID: <45C3D8E6.3040909@ispwest.com> I think they should add a paragraph something like this one to that press release: Americans that realize waiting for Congress to act should take the matter in their own hands and stop voting for oil companies at the gas pump. The real sollution to this problem is to kick our "oil addiction", as Bush himself call it. -- Tian Latest change: added Saturday's San Francisco peace march pictures. http://tian.greens.org From wrolley at charter.net Fri Feb 2 17:07:14 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:07:14 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Draft - GP RELEASE Global warming: Bush is doingto world what he did to New Orleans In-Reply-To: <45C3D8E6.3040909@ispwest.com> References: 323271.2157.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com <45C3D8E6.3040909@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <45C3E042.4050308@charter.net> Tian Harter wrote: > I think they should add a paragraph something like this one > to that press release: > > Americans that realize waiting for Congress to act should > take the matter in their own hands and stop voting for oil > companies at the gas pump. The real sollution to this problem > is to kick our "oil addiction", as Bush himself call it. > > Add to this the fact that Exxon-Mobil made a $39 Billion profit last year and invested nearly zero in alternative energy solutions .. .they think that alternative energy means natural gas. While some other big oil companies (Chevron, BP, Union, etc.) are not paragons of virtue, in comparison to Exxon-Mobil they sure look that way. -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinc Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From cbrouillet at igc.org Fri Feb 2 20:00:31 2007 From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:00:31 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] East Palo Alto March begins at 10 am Saturday Message-ID: I plan to table at this event- if anyone would like to join me- please let me know!!! Carol Brouillet 650-857-0927 Peace, unity march targets violence in EPA Saturday event starts 10 a.m. at Home Depot parking lot by Becky Trout Palo Alto Weekly Staff In early January, film student and East Palo Alto resident Marina Latu, 29, realized she couldn't accept the nearly nonstop shootings that have shaken her hometown for the last month. So she shared her concerns with other East Palo Altans and learned the violence was disturbing, frustrating and saddening others as well. "Something had to be done," Latu said. Working off a suggestion a young man offered at a vigil for Maikeli Iongi, the 16-year-old fatally shot in an encounter with police officers Dec. 22, Latu decided to organize a march and rally and form a new organization, the "East Palo Alto Peace and Unity Team." This Saturday, the "Live in Peace" March and Rally will take place from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m., starting at Clarke Avenue and Donohoe Street, near Home Depot, and proceeding to Jack Farrell Park on Fordham Street, where the rally with music, speakers and booths will continue until 2 p.m. Latu said she and other organizers have been showered with support, offers of help and donations. Police Chief Ron Davis signed on, as did City Council members, and even Palo Alto leaders. The Palo Alto City Council moved a long-planned council retreat to earlier in the morning so members could attend the rally. "The community is really pulling together," she said. The goal is to reach youth, letting them know they have options and opportunities, alternatives to violence -- and to listen, Latu said. "I think it's really important. We need to hear from our young people in the community. We just don't know what they're going through," Latu said. Police have posited gang links to most of the shootings, which have climbed to 28 in the past month and have claimed five lives in addition to Iongi's. The march and rally may not abolish the gang warfare, but it will tell the "other story" of East Palo Alto, said Faye McNair-Knox, executive director of One East Palo Alto, a non-profit organization dedicated to improving conditions for East Palo Alto residents. A very small percentage of the population is responsible for the violence, McNair-Knox said. The march and rally will show that "we're no longer going to just sit back and passively take this without expressing ourselves," she said. The people engaged in the violence do have links to others in the community, McNair-Knox said. A strong showing of support just may prompt change. "Maybe it will have an impact. We hope so," she said. "I think the community wants to say, 'Not in our town. This has no place here. This is not who we are,'" said Leif Erickson, executive director with Youth Community Service, a nonprofit organization that works with youth in Palo Alto and East Palo Alto. Police Chief Ron Davis said he thinks the march will "have a huge effect." It will build unity and dispel apathy, Davis said. "It brings neighbors together to get to know each other and realize they have a common goal -- to live in a safe environment and raise their families," Davis said. He said he also hopes the march will mobilize the community to help the police department quell the violence. McNair-Knox said locals have held vigils or marches to combat previous waves of violence, but this effort is characterized by outreach to everyone. It is also unique because it is spearheaded by leaders of the Pacific Islander community, which has been particularly affected by the shootings. The call for help reached across U.S. Highway 101, where Palo Alto's City Council expressed its support for the march at its Jan. 22 meeting. "They're our neighbor going through some trouble, and I think it makes sense for us to be there and do whatever we can to support them," Councilman John Barton said this week. Councilwoman LaDoris Cordell said she hopes the rally marks the beginning of a new partnership between Palo Alto and East Palo Alto. McNair-Knox said about 1,000 people are expected. The Peace and Unity Team is asking for businesses or individuals to help sponsor the march. For sponsorship information, visit www.epa.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Sat Feb 3 09:42:22 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 09:42:22 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Elections Commission Vacancy Message-ID: Hi Cameron, Please forward to the local Greens! thanks Charlotte ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: District4 Sent: Friday, February 2, 2007 9:53:41 AM Subject: Elections Commission Vacancy NOTICE OF VACANCY CITY OF SAN JOS? ELECTIONS COMMISSION DEADLINE: FEBRUARY 16, 2007 The San Jos? Elections Commission will be accepting applications for appointments to the San Jos? Elections Commission until 5:00 p.m. Friday, February 16, 2007. The San Jos? Elections Commission monitors compliance with all campaign and ethics ordinances in the San Jos? Municipal Code. The Commission reviews and investigates allegations of violations of the Code and makes recommendations for enforcement action where appropriate. The Elections Commission also makes recommendations to the Council with regard to campaign and ethics regulations and policies. The San Jos? Elections Commission (Commission) is charged under Chapter 12.04 of the San Jos? Municipal Code to investigate complaints alleging violations of Title 12 of the San Jos? Municipal Code and take enforcement action. Formal regulations are adopted by the City Council to ensure that all interested parties are apprised of and understand the procedures by which a fair hearing will be conducted. Currently, there is one vacancy on the Commission for an unexpired term ending March 1, 2009. Applicants must be registered voters in the City of San Jos? and if appointed, must remain so throughout the term of office. While serving on the Commission, no member can hold any other public office nor publicly endorse any candidate for City office or engage in any political or campaign activity on behalf of any candidate for City office. Further, no member can participate as a candidate in any election to public office for a period of one year before and after tenure on the Elections Commission. All applications received by the deadline will be submitted to the Mayor and Councilmembers who will notify the City Clerk as to whom they would like to interview. Applicants receiving four or more such indications of interest will be notified and asked to appear during a regularly scheduled Council Meeting to be interviewed by the Mayor and Councilmembers, tentatively scheduled for Tuesday, February 27, 2007, at 1:30 p.m. Following interviews, the Mayor and Councilmembers cast written ballots, which are read into the record by the City Clerk. Applicants must receive a two-thirds vote of Council (8 votes) to be appointed to serve on the Elections Commission. Dated: February 2, 2007 -- Cameron Ps., Anglo software versus ethnic sensitivity. The original message spells San Jose with an acute accent over the E. There's no such character in the anglo-centric 7-bit US-ASCII alphabet. Which means the twenty-five year old email program I'm using can't handle this simple message properly. I'm going to break all the rules and leave the "Latin" character alone. (Vim.org's text editor leaves it alone and X.org's xterm displays it properly.) Let me know if you see "San Joe[blob]" instead of an appropriate rendering. From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Sat Feb 3 10:11:05 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 10:11:05 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Draft - GP RELEASE Global warming: Bush is doing to world what he did to New Orleans Message-ID: Warner pointed out that these press releases and petitions are intended as polemics, not as actual suggestions for articles of impeachment. It would be nice if we could be clear on that distinction. They got Al Capone for tax evasion. Everybody knew he'd done a lot of other stuff, but the case for tax evasion was easiest to prove and got him locked up. That doesn't mean the government was absolving him of all that other stuff. Was GWB personally involved in the conspiracy to steal the 2000 election? Or was it handled for him by smarter, harder working people? I don't know, and I don't see how it advances our case to make that particular charge. But it's fine in a polemic where you're just listing all the reasons you want him removed. Throw in "says God speaks to him." It's hardly a high crime, but it's a compelling reason to get him out of there. Cameron From eameece at california.com Sat Feb 3 23:36:14 2007 From: eameece at california.com (E. Alan Meece) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 23:36:14 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] food for thought Message-ID: <45C58CEE.789A@california.com> Thanks Jam Boi for the info. It was nice seeing you at the vigil at Stevens Creek and Winchester. Some food for thought or discussion: (relayed from Ellen Holmes) Vegetarian is the New Prius By Kathy Freston Huffington Post, 1.20.07 President Herbert Hoover promised "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage." With warnings about global warming reaching feverish levels, many are having second thoughts about all those cars. It seems they should instead be worrying about the chickens. Last month, the United Nations published a report on livestock and the environment with a stunning conclusion: "The livestock sector emerges as one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global." It turns out that raising animals for food is a primary cause of land degradation, air pollution, water shortage, water pollution, loss of biodiversity, and not least of all, global warming. That's right, global warming. You've probably heard the story: emissions of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide are changing our climate, and scientists warn of more extreme weather, coastal flooding, spreading disease, and mass extinctions. It seems that when you step outside and wonder what happened to winter, you might want to think about what you had for dinner last night. The U.N. report says almost a fifth of global warming emissions come from livestock (i.e., those chickens Hoover was talking about, plus pigs, cattle, and others)--that's more emissions than from all of the world's transportation combined. For a decade now, the image of Leonardo DiCaprio cruising in his hybrid Toyota Prius has defined the gold standard for environmentalism. These gas-sipping vehicles became a veritable symbol of the consumers' power to strike a blow against global warming. Just think: a car that could cut your vehicle emissions in half - in a country responsible for 25% of the world's total greenhouse gas emissions. Federal fuel economy standards languished in Congress, and average vehicle mileage dropped to its lowest level in decades, but the Prius showed people that another way is possible. Toyota could not import the cars fast enough to meet demand. Last year researchers at the University of Chicago took the Prius down a peg when they turned their attention to another gas guzzling consumer purchase. They noted that feeding animals for meat, dairy, and egg production requires growing some ten times as much crops as we'd need if we just ate pasta primavera, faux chicken nuggets, and other plant foods. On top of that, we have to transport the animals to slaughterhouses, slaughter them, refrigerate their carcasses, and distribute their flesh all across the country. Producing a calorie of meat protein means burning more than ten times as much fossil fuels--and spewing more than ten times as much heat-trapping carbon dioxide--as does a calorie of plant protein. The researchers found that, when it's all added up, the average American does more to reduce global warming emissions by going vegetarian than by switching to a Prius. According to the UN report, it gets even worse when we include the vast quantities of land needed to give us our steak and pork chops. Animal agriculture takes up an incredible 70% of all agricultural land, and 30% of the total land surface of the planet. As a result, farmed animals are probably the biggest cause of slashing and burning the world's forests. Today, 70% of former Amazon rainforest is used for pastureland, and feed crops cover much of the remainder. These forests serve as "sinks," absorbing carbon dioxide from the air, and burning these forests releases all the stored carbon dioxide, quantities that exceed by far the fossil fuel emission of animal agriculture. As if that wasn't bad enough, the real kicker comes when looking at gases besides carbon dioxide--gases like methane and nitrous oxide, enormously effective greenhouse gases with 23 and 296 times the warming power of carbon dioxide, respectively. If carbon dioxide is responsible for about one-half of human-related greenhouse gas warming since the industrial revolution, methane and nitrous oxide are responsible for another one-third. These super-strong gases come primarily from farmed animals' digestive processes, and from their manure. In fact, while animal agriculture accounts for 9% of our carbon dioxide emissions, it emits 37% of our methane, and a whopping 65% of our nitrous oxide. It's a little hard to take in when thinking of a small chick hatching from her fragile egg. How can an animal, so seemingly insignificant against the vastness of the earth, give off so much greenhouse gas as to change the global climate? The answer is in their sheer numbers. The United States alone slaughters more than 10 billion land animals every year, all to sustain a meat-ravenous culture that can barely conceive of a time not long ago when "a chicken in every pot" was considered a luxury. Land animals raised for food make up a staggering 20% of the entire land animal biomass of the earth. We are eating our planet to death. What we're seeing is just the beginning, too. Meat consumption has increased five-fold in the past fifty years, and is expected to double again in the next fifty. It sounds like a lot of bad news, but in fact it's quite the opposite. It means we have a powerful new weapon to use in addressing the most serious environmental crisis ever to face humanity. The Prius was an important step forward, but how often are people in the market for a new car? Now that we know a greener diet is even more effective than a greener car, we can make a difference at every single meal, simply by leaving the animals off of our plates. Who would have thought: what's good for our health is also good for the health of the planet! Going veg provides more bang for your buck than driving a Prius. Plus, that bang comes a lot faster. The Prius cuts emissions of carbon dioxide, which spreads its warming effect slowly over a century. A big chunk of the problem with farmed animals, on the other hand, is methane, a gas which cycles out of the atmosphere in just a decade. That means less meat consumption quickly translates into a cooler planet. Not just a cooler planet, also a cleaner one. Animal agriculture accounts for most of the water consumed in this country, emits two-thirds of the world's acid-rain-causing ammonia, and it the world's largest source of water pollution--killing entire river and marine ecosystems, destroying coral reefs, and of course, making people sick. Try to imagine the prodigious volumes of manure churned out by modern American farms: 5 million tons a day, more than a hundred times that of the human population, and far more than our land can possibly absorb. The acres and acres of cesspools stretching over much of our countryside, polluting the air and contaminating our water, make the Exxon Valdez oil spill look minor in comparison. All of which we can fix surprisingly easily, just by putting down our chicken wings and reaching for a veggie burger. Doing so has never been easier. Recent years have seen an explosion of environmentally-friendly vegetarian foods. Even chains like Ruby Tuesday, Johnny Rockets, and Burger King offer delicious veggie burgers and supermarket refrigerators are lined with heart-healthy creamy soymilk and tasty veggie deli slices. Vegetarian foods have become staples at environmental gatherings, and garnered celebrity advocates like Bill Maher, Alec Baldwin, Paul McCartney, and of course Leonardo DiCaprio. Just as the Prius showed us that we each have in our hands the power to make a difference against a problem that endangers the future of humanity, going vegetarian gives us a new way to dramatically reduce our dangerous emissions that is even more effective, easier to do, more accessible to everyone and certainly goes better with french fries. Ever-rising temperatures, melting ice caps, spreading tropical diseases, stronger hurricanes... So, what are you do doing for dinner tonight? Check out www.VegCooking.com for great ideas, free recipes, meal plans, and more! Check out the environmental section of www.GoVeg.com for a lot more information about the harmful effect of meat-eating on the environment. Kathy Freston is a self-help author and personal growth and spirituality counselor. She is the author of Expect a Miracle: Seven Spiritual Steps to Finding the Right Relationship. Her CDs offering guided meditation have been featured in W, Self, and Mode. Kathy and her husband, Tom Freston, divide their time between New York and Los Angeles. ? 2007 The Huffington Post From egroups at duendevision.com Sun Feb 4 01:24:10 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 01:24:10 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] food for thought In-Reply-To: <45C58CEE.789A@california.com> References: <45C58CEE.789A@california.com> Message-ID: <2DC761D0-E9FE-43CC-B05A-EE886D78DB47@duendevision.com> This is one of the many reasons I'm a vegetarian. When I saw An Inconvenient Truth I noticed how conveniently they omitted this extremely important aspect of environmentalism. Never mind the opportunity it allows us to practice compassion on creatures that are no threat to us. The resistance to this even amongst so called Greens has been highly discouraging to me when it comes to the conscience of this planet actually evolving in time to avert global disaster. Namaste Duende Aka Roy On Feb 3, 2007, at 11:36 PM, E. Alan Meece wrote: > Thanks Jam Boi for the info. It was nice seeing you at the vigil at > Stevens Creek and Winchester. > > Some food for thought or discussion: > (relayed from Ellen Holmes) > > Vegetarian is the New Prius > > By Kathy Freston > Huffington Post, 1.20.07 > > > President Herbert Hoover promised "a chicken in every pot and a car in > every garage." With warnings about global warming reaching feverish > levels, many are having second thoughts about all those cars. It seems > they should instead be worrying about the chickens. > > Last month, the United Nations published a report on livestock and the > environment with a stunning conclusion: "The livestock sector > emerges as > one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most > serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to > global." It > turns out that raising animals for food is a primary cause of land > degradation, air pollution, water shortage, water pollution, loss > of biodiversity, and not least of all, global warming. > > That's right, global warming. You've probably heard the story: > emissions > of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide are changing our climate, and > scientists warn of more extreme weather, coastal flooding, spreading > disease, and mass extinctions. It seems that when you step outside and > wonder what happened to winter, you might want to think about what you > had for dinner last night. The U.N. report says almost a fifth of > global > warming emissions come from livestock (i.e., those chickens Hoover was > talking about, plus pigs, cattle, and others)--that's more emissions > than from all of the world's transportation combined. > > For a decade now, the image of Leonardo DiCaprio cruising in his > hybrid > Toyota Prius has defined the gold standard for environmentalism. These > gas-sipping vehicles became a veritable symbol of the consumers' > power to strike a blow against global warming. Just think: a car that > could cut your vehicle emissions in half - in a country responsible > for > 25% of the world's total greenhouse gas emissions. Federal fuel > economy > standards languished in Congress, and average vehicle mileage > dropped to > its lowest level in decades, but the Prius showed people that another > way is possible. Toyota could not import the cars fast enough to meet > demand. > > Last year researchers at the University of Chicago took the Prius > down a > peg when they turned their attention to another gas guzzling consumer > purchase. They noted that feeding animals for meat, dairy, and egg > production requires growing some ten times as much crops as we'd > need if > we just ate pasta primavera, faux chicken nuggets, and other plant > foods. On top of that, we have to transport the animals to > slaughterhouses, slaughter them, refrigerate their carcasses, and > distribute their flesh all across the country. Producing a calorie of > meat protein means burning more than ten times as much fossil > fuels--and > spewing more than ten times as much heat-trapping carbon dioxide--as > does a calorie of plant protein. The researchers found that, when it's > all added up, the average American does more to reduce global > warming emissions by going vegetarian than by switching to a Prius. > > According to the UN report, it gets even worse when we include the > vast > quantities of land needed to give us our steak and pork chops. Animal > agriculture takes up an incredible 70% of all agricultural land, and > 30% of the total land surface of the planet. As a result, farmed > animals > are probably the biggest cause of slashing and burning the world's > forests. Today, 70% of former Amazon rainforest is used for > pastureland, > and feed crops cover much of the remainder. These forests serve as > "sinks," absorbing carbon dioxide from the air, and burning these > forests releases all the stored carbon dioxide, quantities that exceed > by far the fossil fuel emission of animal agriculture. > > As if that wasn't bad enough, the real kicker comes when looking at > gases besides carbon dioxide--gases like methane and nitrous oxide, > enormously effective greenhouse gases with 23 and 296 times the > warming power of carbon dioxide, respectively. If carbon dioxide is > responsible for about one-half of human-related greenhouse gas warming > since the industrial revolution, methane and nitrous oxide are > responsible for another one-third. These super-strong gases come > primarily from farmed animals' digestive processes, and from their > manure. In fact, while animal agriculture accounts for 9% of our > carbon > dioxide emissions, it emits 37% of our methane, and a whopping 65% of > our nitrous oxide. > > It's a little hard to take in when thinking of a small chick hatching > from her fragile egg. How can an animal, so seemingly insignificant > against the vastness of the earth, give off so much greenhouse gas > as to > change the global climate? The answer is in their sheer numbers. The > United States alone slaughters more than 10 billion land animals every > year, all to sustain a meat-ravenous culture that can barely > conceive of > a time not long ago when "a chicken in every pot" was considered a > luxury. Land animals raised for food make up a staggering 20% of the > entire land animal biomass of the earth. We are eating our planet to > death. > > What we're seeing is just the beginning, too. Meat consumption has > increased five-fold in the past fifty years, and is expected to double > again in the next fifty. > > It sounds like a lot of bad news, but in fact it's quite the opposite. > It means we have a powerful new weapon to use in addressing the most > serious environmental crisis ever to face humanity. The Prius was > an important step forward, but how often are people in the market > for a > new car? Now that we know a greener diet is even more effective than a > greener car, we can make a difference at every single meal, simply by > leaving the animals off of our plates. Who would have thought: what's > good for our health is also good for the health of the planet! > > Going veg provides more bang for your buck than driving a Prius. Plus, > that bang comes a lot faster. The Prius cuts emissions of carbon > dioxide, which spreads its warming effect slowly over a century. A big > chunk of the problem with farmed animals, on the other hand, is > methane, > a gas which cycles out of the atmosphere in just a decade. That means > less meat consumption quickly translates into a cooler planet. > > Not just a cooler planet, also a cleaner one. Animal agriculture > accounts for most of the water consumed in this country, emits > two-thirds of the world's acid-rain-causing ammonia, and it the > world's > largest source of water pollution--killing entire river and marine > ecosystems, destroying coral reefs, and of course, making people sick. > Try to imagine the prodigious volumes of manure churned out by modern > American farms: 5 million tons a day, more than a hundred times > that of > the human population, and far more than our land can possibly absorb. > The acres and acres of cesspools stretching over much of our > countryside, polluting the air and contaminating our water, make the > Exxon Valdez oil spill look minor in comparison. All of which > we can fix surprisingly easily, just by putting down our chicken wings > and reaching for a veggie burger. > > Doing so has never been easier. Recent years have seen an explosion of > environmentally-friendly vegetarian foods. Even chains like Ruby > Tuesday, Johnny Rockets, and Burger King offer delicious veggie > burgers > and supermarket refrigerators are lined with heart-healthy creamy > soymilk and tasty veggie deli slices. Vegetarian foods have become > staples at environmental gatherings, and garnered celebrity advocates > like Bill Maher, Alec Baldwin, Paul McCartney, and of course Leonardo > DiCaprio. Just as the Prius showed us that we each have in our > hands the > power to make a difference against a problem that endangers the future > of humanity, going vegetarian gives us a new way to dramatically > reduce > our dangerous emissions that is even more effective, easier to do, > more > accessible to everyone and certainly goes better with french fries. > > Ever-rising temperatures, melting ice caps, spreading tropical > diseases, > stronger hurricanes... So, what are you do doing for dinner tonight? > Check out www.VegCooking.com for great > ideas, free recipes, meal plans, and more! Check out the environmental > section of www.GoVeg.com for a lot more > information about the harmful effect of meat-eating on the > environment. > > Kathy Freston is a self-help author and personal growth and > spirituality > counselor. She is the author of Expect a Miracle: Seven Spiritual > Steps > to Finding the Right Relationship. Her CDs offering guided meditation > have been featured in W, Self, and Mode. Kathy and her husband, Tom > Freston, divide their time between New York and Los Angeles. > > ? 2007 The Huffington Post > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From MKmusic03 at aol.com Sun Feb 4 23:20:54 2007 From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 02:20:54 EST Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tomorrow, Monday Feb. 5 Take Action Against Continued Funding Of Iraq War!! Message-ID: Please forward to everyone you know MONDAY FEBRUARY 5, 9am - 5pm Take Action Against Continued Funding of the Iraq War! South Bay Occupation Project and many other peace activists will be occupying our congressional representatives district offices Monday Feb. 5 in solidarity with the nationwide Occupation Project intitiated by Voices For Creative Nonviolence. The Occupation Project is a campaign of sustained nonviolent civil disobedience to end the Iraq War! There are a variety of actions you can take to participate: - Join South Bay Occupation Project in a non-violent occupation of Mike Honda's and Zoe Lofgren's offices (join the occupation at any time during the day Monday Feb. 5, 9 to 5) (see below for Honda's and Lofgren's office addresses) Anna Eshoo's office will also have people occupying from 9 to 5, please join them. (see below for Eshoo's office address) - Demonstrate Monday Feb. 5 outside Honda's and Lofgren's office in support of those who are inside non-violently occupying (we have signs or bring your own sign or banner) - Phone, fax or e-mail your representative Feb. 5 - Feb. 9 (send the message: not one more dollar, not one more life for the occupation of Iraq--bring the troops home now!) District office addresses and contact information: 11th district (Jerry McNerney) Phone: (202) 225-1947 Web and e-mail: http://mcnerney.house.gov/ 14th district (Anna Eshoo) 698 Emerson Street Palo Alto, CA 94301 Phone: (650) 323-2984 or (408) 245-2339 or (831) 335-2020 and (202) 225-8104 Fax: (650) 323-3498 Web and e-mail: http://eshoo.house.gov/ 15th district (Mike Honda) 1999 South Bascom Ave, Suite 815 (tall building in the back of the Pruneyard shopping center/Bank of The West is on the first floor facing Campbell Ave.) Campbell, CA 95008 Phone: (408) 558-8085 and?(202) 225-2631 Fax: (408) 558-8086 and?(202) 225-2699 Web and e-mail: http://honda.house.gov/ 16th district (Zoe Lofgren) 635 N. First Street, Suite B, San Jose, CA 95112 Phone: (408) 271-8700 and (202) 225-3072 Fax: (408) 271-8713 Web and e-mail: http://www.house.gov/lofgren/ For information during the Monday Occupation contact : Doug Mackenzie 408-458-6788 Maureen MacKenzie 408-656-2913 Merriam Kathaleen 408-482-6032 We will have our cellphones with us all day -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at ispwest.com Sun Feb 4 03:37:18 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:37:18 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] food for thought In-Reply-To: <45C58CEE.789A@california.com> 2DC761D0-E9FE-43CC-B05A-EE886D78DB47@duendevision.com References: <45C58CEE.789A@california.com> 2DC761D0-E9FE-43CC-B05A-EE886D78DB47@duendevision.com Message-ID: <45C5C56E.4040002@ispwest.com> During the peace march a week ago I was talking to a guy. He groused about whomever it was that "beefed" the wheel from his bike. I didn't get it until he explained that "beefed" was the new slang for "stole". Since then I've been thinking about how excellent this slang term is. The whole carniverous thing is a theft from the commons on some level, and that term captures the idea so well. Tian Duende wrote: >This is one of the many reasons I'm a vegetarian. When I saw An >Inconvenient Truth I noticed how conveniently they omitted this >extremely important aspect of environmentalism. Never mind the >opportunity it allows us to practice compassion on creatures that are >no threat to us. The resistance to this even amongst so called Greens >has been highly discouraging to me when it comes to the conscience >of this planet actually evolving in time to avert global disaster. > >Namaste > >Duende >Aka Roy > > > >On Feb 3, 2007, at 11:36 PM, E. Alan Meece wrote: > > > >>Thanks Jam Boi for the info. It was nice seeing you at the vigil at >>Stevens Creek and Winchester. >> >>Some food for thought or discussion: >>(relayed from Ellen Holmes) >> >>Vegetarian is the New Prius >> >> -- Tian 2:37 PM, 2/3/07: I was sitting in the KFC in Milpitas on Main St. hearing Amanda tell Amber it was "two thirty seven PM". http://tian.greens.org From tnharter at ispwest.com Sun Feb 4 03:41:29 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:41:29 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A scary element of truth Message-ID: <45C5C669.7060000@ispwest.com> *Bushcronium. * Mark it on your Periodic Table........... The densest element yet known to science has been discovered. The new element has been named "Bushcronium". Bushcronium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 911. These particles are held together by dark forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. The symbol for Bushcronium is "W". Bushcronium' s mass actually increases over time, as these morons randomly interact with various elements in the atmosphere and become assistant deputy neutrons in a Bushcronium molecule, forming a large cluster of idiotopes. This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to believe that Bushcronium is formed whenever morons reach a critical mass also known as "Critical Morass". When catalyzed with money, Bushcronium activates Foxnewsium, an element radiating several orders of magnitude more energy, mostly as incoherentnoise, since it has 1/2 as many peons but twice as many morons -- Tian 2:37 PM, 2/3/07: I was sitting in the KFC in Milpitas on Main St. hearing Amanda tell Amber it was "two thirty seven PM". http://tian.greens.org From tnharter at ispwest.com Sun Feb 4 04:08:11 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 12:08:11 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Good news from Davos, Switzerland Message-ID: <45C5CCAB.5080601@ispwest.com> http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/departments/online/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003538870 *Rupert Murdoch: Big Media Has Less Sway on Internet* By Georg Szalai/The Hollywood Reporter Published: January 29, 2007 3:10 PM ET NEW YORK Big media companies and governments ultimately can't stop or reverse their reduced agenda setting power brought about by the Internet and digital media, but must learn to live with it and embrace it as an opportunity, a panel at the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland said Friday. Big media conglomerates have less influence amid the continued explosion of news sites, blogs and podcasts, News Corp. chairman and CEO Rupert Murdoch said in the session moderated by Charlie Rose and available via Webcast. "It's so pluralistic," Murdoch said. "We all have less power, much less ... (we) the big companies." Not only are there many more places from which to get news and opinion thanks to the Internet, he said. He said traditional media are also "put right immediately" these days when making mistakes, citing the example of the CBS News affair surrounding allegations against president George Bush last year. Similarly, Murdoch said "government now has to be much more open" because of the Web and suggested, along with Gordon Brown, chancellor of the exchequer and the possible future prime minister of the U.K., that governments should try to see it as an opportunity for them. "We just have to let this go," Murdoch said. "We can't reverse it." Advertisement Asked if his News Corp. managed to shape the agenda on the war in Iraq, Murdoch said: "No, I don't think so. We tried." Asked by Rose for further comment, he said: "We basically supported the Bush policy in the Middle East ... but we have been very critical of his execution." The News Corp. CEO also once again signaled that he sees much more change ahead thanks to digital media. "We're in the very early stages of it," he said. During the same panel, Jack Ma Yun, founder and CEO of Chinese Web and electronic commerce giant Alibaba.com, suggested that outsiders often overstate China's controls and regulations of the Internet. While many complain about government censorship, "to me it's not that serious," he said. He suggested the Web can't be fully controlled and said his company has managed to educate the Chinese government about its benefits over the years and to demonstrate to a growing number of the country's people how it helps them. "You create value and show the government it works," he said. Nonetheless, the Alibaba CEO argued that the Internet "needs to be controlled or managed" in China due to its traditions and size. For example, he said as a father he likes that China blocks access to online pornography. But he also expressed discontent over misrepresentations of past comments of his on various Web sites. Overall, he argued that "opening (things up) completely would be chaos." The annual World Economic Forum meeting runs through Sunday and this year focused on the theme "The Shifting Power Equation." Acording to the WEF Web site, among prominent media and technology industry attendees at the event were Sony Corp. chairman and CEO Sir Howard Stringer, Microsoft Corp. founder and chairman Bill Gates, Google Inc. co-founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page along with CEO Eric Schmidt, as well as BSkyB CEO James Murdoch. Political figures appearing in sessions included Germany;s federal chancellor Angela Merkel, Israel's vice prime minister Shimon Peres, Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, King Abdullah II of Jordan and Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. Georg Szalai/The Hollywood Reporter (letters at editorandpublishercom ) -- Tian 2:37 PM, 2/3/07: I was sitting in the KFC in Milpitas on Main St. hearing Amanda tell Amber it was "two thirty seven PM". http://tian.greens.org From baalavi at yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 16:43:05 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:43:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] (Fox News??!!) on Israel Spying, 911, etc. Message-ID: <201582.2917.qm@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Amazing public broadcast/admission from even a more amzing source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew&mode=related&search --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 17:46:49 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:46:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader leaves '08 door open, slams Hillary Clinton Message-ID: <150503.99744.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> My $.02= Nader will hurt the Green Party's candidate if he runs again. We can be quite sure he won't get our nomination (after all in all likelihood he wouldn't want it anyway), so he'll be direct competition. It will be a bummer to have to criticize the Nadermeister. :-( but I guess we're all about competition, and we'll have plenty of that this year. I love Nader's points and rhetoric and we can certainly appropriate that freely. :-) One of his quotes this last weekend called the Republicrats duopoly arrangement of controlling our government "the elected Dictatorship". Nice!!! Say hmm... wasn't Hitler elected? .... Green solidarity! Drew http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2007-02-04T190207Z_01_N04353722_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-POLITICS-NADER.xml&WTmodLoc=USNewsHome_C2_domesticNews-1 Nader leaves '08 door open, slams Hillary Clinton Sun Feb 4, 2007 2:02pm ET19 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former presidential candidate Ralph Nader on Sunday left the door open for another possible White House bid in 2008 and criticized Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as "a panderer and a flatterer." Asked on CNN's Late Edition news program if he would run in 2008, the lawyer and consumer activist said, "It's really too early to say. ... I'll consider it later in the year." Nader said he did not plan to vote for Clinton, a Democratic senator from New York and former first lady. "I don't think she has the fortitude. Actually she's really a panderer and a flatterer. As she goes around the country, you'll see more of that," Nader said. On whether he would be encouraged to run if Clinton gets the Democratic nomination, Nader said, "It would make it more important that that be the case." Democratic candidates he likes include former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, he said. Nader ran for president as an independent in 2004 and as the Green Party candidate in 2000, when some Democrats said he siphoned away votes from former Democratic Vice President Al Gore, helping Republican George W. Bush to win. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 18:11:15 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:11:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SVIC] Re: Draft - GP RELEASE Global warming: Bush is doing to world what he did to New Orleans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <799148.17284.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry, no these ARE serious articles of impeachment. It is only Warner's *opinion* that they are 'merely' polemics and on that point it is completely evident that Warner is *entirely confused*. (Love ya Warner but you're absolutely flat wrong on this one). If we were to try to say that eliminating American Democracy through coup (never elected, not once - stole 2000 AND 2004), ethnic cleansing and the annihilation of an entire American city (Katrina) threatening the destruction of all humankind (Global Warming) are somehow not treasonous, high crimes and misdemeanors (not just against America, but humanity itself) are for some reason not grounds for impeachment of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Gonzales (among others) than may God damn America, and God damn the joke of a facade that is now masquerading for democracy in America!!! (That from me a progressive evangelical Christian!!!, and that is NOT using God's name in vain!!!) Our children, our children's children (if we survive that long) all around the world and the very planet itself would eternally curse OUR (American) names if we fail to act against these criminals and call a spade a spade. If y'all please bother to again re-read Gerry's resolution you'll see that we have two separate lists. One of impeachees and one of their impeachable offenses. Coups, city annihilation, and creating a humanly uninhabitable planet do indeed fit into our list of impeachable offenses. No way I will I ever budge on this issue. All our committee needs to work out the precise wording. Impeach the bastard-unpresident NOW! Drew --- "Cameron L. Spitzer" wrote: > > Warner pointed out that these press releases and petitions > are intended as polemics, not as actual suggestions for > articles of impeachment. It would be nice if we could > be clear on that distinction. > > They got Al Capone for tax evasion. Everybody knew he'd > done a lot of other stuff, but the case for tax evasion > was easiest to prove and got him locked up. That doesn't > mean the government was absolving him of all that other stuff. > > Was GWB personally involved in the conspiracy to steal > the 2000 election? Or was it handled for him by smarter, > harder working people? I don't know, and I don't see how > it advances our case to make that particular charge. > But it's fine in a polemic where you're just listing all > the reasons you want him removed. Throw in "says God > speaks to him." It's hardly a high crime, but it's > a compelling reason to get him out of there. > > > Cameron ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 18:17:11 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:17:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GPUS Release: Impeachable Offense - Global warming: Bush is doing to world what he did to New Orleans Message-ID: <300629.14462.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES http://www.gp.org For Immediate Release: Monday, February 5, 2007 Contacts: Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, mclarty at greens.org Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene at gp.org Greens call Bush's tampering with scientific research on global warming an impeachable offense ? Congress must hold Bush accountable for placing U.S. and world at risk by manipulating scientific reports to fit reckless, pro-corporate energy policies ? "Bush is doing to the world what he did to New Orleans" WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Green Party leaders demanded that Congress hold the Bush Administration accountable for tampering with scientific research on global warming, calling President Bush's interference and dishonesty an impeachable conspiracy to commit 'high crimes and misdemeanors.' "The Bush Administration is doing to the whole world what it did to New Orleans as Katrina began to descend on the city," said Rebecca Rotzler, co-chair of the Green Party of the United States and Deputy Mayor of New Paltz, New York. "By altering scientific research on global warming to fit his political agenda and refusing to take necessary steps to protect the public, President Bush has aggravated an impending environmental, public health, and security crisis. Greens cited mounting evidence of such tampering, including complaints from more than 120 scientists from seven federal agencies that they've been pressured to remove references to global warming from research reports, press releases, and communications with Congress . Last week, scientists from 113 countries meeting at the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in Paris warned that destructive effects of global warming, in which human consumption of energy has led to a global concentration of carbon dioxide, methane, and other greenhouse gases in the earth's atmosphere, were probably inevitable, with a likely temperature rises of 3.2-7.1 degrees Fahrenheit . (Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: ) "Congress must recognize the Bush Administration's tampering with studies on global warming and other scientific research as an impeachable offense," said Jody Grage, treasurer of the Green Party. "Ever since Vice President Cheney initiated private meetings with oil company representatives to determine energy policy, the administration has placed the demands for corporate profits over urgent human and environmental needs." Green Party leaders called recent news of a White House directive that gave President Bush greater control over the rules and policy statements that federal government agencies develop to protect the environment, public health, and safety (as well as civil rights and privacy) further indication that the Bush Administration was manipulating public policy in these areas to benefit favored corporate interests. The Green Party has called for the U.S. to sign on to the Kyoto accords and to take the lead on a 70% reduction of CO2 emissions, as well as a rapid transition to clean and secure alternative energy sources, energy conservation, reduced reliance on cars, and a phase-out on fossil fuel dependence and nuclear energy. The party advocates restructuring of local, national, and global economies, with investment and creation of new jobs in conservation and conversion to renewable solar and wind power, taxes on fossil fuel consumption, and bans on new drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other wilderness areas. Greens have already called for impeachment of President Bush and Vice President for deceiving the public about the U.S.'s reasons for invading Iraq and numerous other abuses of power. News of a proposed law giving U.S. and U.K. oil companies lucrative 30-year deals to extract Iraqi oil has confirmed that oil company interests are driving U.S. energy policy, and that desire for U.S. corporate control over Iraqi oil fields was a major motivation for the Iraq War . MORE INFORMATION Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org 1700 Connecticut Avenue NW, Suite 404 Washington, DC 20009. 202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN Fax 202-319-7193 Green Party News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 20:25:22 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:25:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Go here for awesome IMPEACH! bumper sticker. Message-ID: <942985.60272.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.mpjc.org/ Say it loud, say it proud! Impeach! Drew ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From baalavi at yahoo.com Mon Feb 5 21:56:56 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:56:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GPUS Release: Impeachable Offense - Global warming: Bush is doing to world what he did to New Orleans In-Reply-To: <300629.14462.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59988.18408.qm@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for noting this. It goes a little deeper & seems to need a more coordinated action & response to stop it! Read on ... (especially about AEI looking for junk-scientists) The recent UN report that showed much stronger tie between human activities, the global warming, urging governments and policymakers to act quickly and responsibly to remedy the situation was released a few days ago. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) http://www.ipcc.ch/ Summary Report for Policymakers: http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf Presentation of the report: http://www.empreinte.com/richmediaevent/20070202/vod/ipc_audio_en_900x540_WindowsLD.htm Now, The Americal Enterprise Institute, which is partly funded by Exxon/Mobil, has its way of dealing with the issue: Paying "experts" to write a paper casting doubts on the results of the UN study: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070202/sc_nm/globalwarming_aei_dc_1 Just another example of supporting junk science through think-tanks and front lobby groups. As the sources of funding dry out, one might have to resort to alternative sources of funding :) ========================== JamBoi wrote: GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES http://www.gp.org For Immediate Release: Monday, February 5, 2007 Contacts: Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, mclarty at greens.org Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene at gp.org Greens call Bush's tampering with scientific research on global warming an impeachable offense ? Congress must hold Bush accountable for placing U.S. and world at risk by manipulating scientific reports to fit reckless, pro-corporate energy policies ? "Bush is doing to the world what he did to New Orleans" WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Green Party leaders demanded that Congress hold the Bush Administration accountable for tampering with scientific research on global warming, calling President Bush's interference and dishonesty an impeachable conspiracy to commit 'high crimes and misdemeanors.' "The Bush Administration is doing to the whole world what it did to New Orleans as Katrina began to descend on the city," said Rebecca Rotzler, co-chair of the Green Party of the United States and Deputy Mayor of New Paltz, New York. "By altering scientific research on global warming to fit his political agenda and refusing to take necessary steps to protect the public, President Bush has aggravated an impending environmental, public health, and security crisis. Greens cited mounting evidence of such tampering, including complaints from more than 120 scientists from seven federal agencies that they've been pressured to remove references to global warming from research reports, press releases, and communications with Congress . Last week, scientists from 113 countries meeting at the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in Paris warned that destructive effects of global warming, in which human consumption of energy has led to a global concentration of carbon dioxide, methane, and other greenhouse gases in the earth's atmosphere, were probably inevitable, with a likely temperature rises of 3.2-7.1 degrees Fahrenheit . (Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: ) "Congress must recognize the Bush Administration's tampering with studies on global warming and other scientific research as an impeachable offense," said Jody Grage, treasurer of the Green Party. "Ever since Vice President Cheney initiated private meetings with oil company representatives to determine energy policy, the administration has placed the demands for corporate profits over urgent human and environmental needs." Green Party leaders called recent news of a White House directive that gave President Bush greater control over the rules and policy statements that federal government agencies develop to protect the environment, public health, and safety (as well as civil rights and privacy) further indication that the Bush Administration was manipulating public policy in these areas to benefit favored corporate interests. The Green Party has called for the U.S. to sign on to the Kyoto accords and to take the lead on a 70% reduction of CO2 emissions, as well as a rapid transition to clean and secure alternative energy sources, energy conservation, reduced reliance on cars, and a phase-out on fossil fuel dependence and nuclear energy. The party advocates restructuring of local, national, and global economies, with investment and creation of new jobs in conservation and conversion to renewable solar and wind power, taxes on fossil fuel consumption, and bans on new drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and other wilderness areas. Greens have already called for impeachment of President Bush and Vice President for deceiving the public about the U.S.'s reasons for invading Iraq and numerous other abuses of power. News of a proposed law giving U.S. and U.K. oil companies lucrative 30-year deals to extract Iraqi oil has confirmed that oil company interests are driving U.S. energy policy, and that desire for U.S. corporate control over Iraqi oil fields was a major motivation for the Iraq War . MORE INFORMATION Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org 1700 Connecticut Avenue NW, Suite 404 Washington, DC 20009. 202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN Fax 202-319-7193 Green Party News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 6 14:06:52 2007 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:06:52 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] polemics, polemics Message-ID: <45C8FBFC.6000701@sbcglobal.net> Articles of Impeachment A list of charges to be submitted to trial. Articles of Impeachment The individual items in the list. I have the impression that Warner is referring to the first category, Drew to the second category Jim Doyle From wrolley at charter.net Tue Feb 6 17:03:30 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:03:30 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeach Gonzales Message-ID: <45C92562.1060104@charter.net> Got the following just now from a friend who does not want his ID spread around. But, the subject is real and speaks to the movement to impeach administration officials...The link to the Sacramento Bee is good. ___ IMO, this reeks of obstruction of justice and conspiracy - at a minimum. If the majority Dems and the remaining honest Republicans do NOT rise up and fight the firing of these US Prosecutors - and then follow-thru with the removal of AG Gonzales if warranted - then this country is in sadder shape than I think it is. US Atty Carol Lam in San Diego is at the forefront of investigating Congressional corruption; having already put Cunningham behind bars, she's expected to announce additional indictments before she's forced to leave office Feb 15. One of the replacements will be a former aide to Karl Rove... http://dwb.sacbee.com/24hour/politics/story/3546898p-12760718c.html -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 7 10:11:54 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:11:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeach Gonzales In-Reply-To: <45C92562.1060104@charter.net> Message-ID: <20070207181154.98109.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, and everyone please note that Gonzales IS on our list of impeachees. We'll be delivering the GPSCC's impeachment resolution to Honda, Lofgren and Eshoo next Wed.. If you want to participate, please join us 9A at The Pruneyard (office of Congressman Mike Honda). Please read the resolution at http://cagreens.org/sclara/#fulltext Green solidarity! Drew --- Wes Rolley wrote: > Got the following just now from a friend who does not want his ID > spread > around. But, the subject is real and speaks to the movement to > impeach > administration officials...The link to the Sacramento Bee is good. > ___ > IMO, this reeks of obstruction of justice and conspiracy - at a > minimum. If the majority Dems and the remaining honest Republicans > do > NOT rise up and fight the firing of these US Prosecutors - and then > follow-thru with the removal of AG Gonzales if warranted - then this > country is in sadder shape than I think it is. > > US Atty Carol Lam in San Diego is at the forefront of investigating > Congressional corruption; having already put Cunningham behind bars, > she's expected to announce additional indictments before she's forced > to > leave office Feb 15. > > One of the replacements will be a former aide to Karl Rove... > > http://dwb.sacbee.com/24hour/politics/story/3546898p-12760718c.html > > -- > > I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. > Being willing is not enough; > We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci > Wesley C. Rolley > 17211 Quail Court > Morgan Hill, CA 95037 > (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 7 10:13:42 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:13:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: [usgp-media] Re: Impeach Bush for climate lies, neglect (Greens quoted) (John Nichols, The Nation) Message-ID: <42248.61114.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> --- Scott McLarty wrote: > From: Scott McLarty > To: usgp-media at gp-us.org, brent at gp.org, emily at gp.org > Subject: [usgp-media] Re: Impeach Bush for climate lies, neglect > (Greens quoted) (John Nichols, The Nation) > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:17:56 -0800 (PST) > > My guess is that the catchy subject line ('Global > warming: Bush is doing to world what he did to > New Orleans') grabbed Nichols' attention. > > The quotes got put to good use, too: > congratulations Rebecca & Jody! > > Stick this article in a file somewhere for future > use in fundraising & publicity for the GP. > > Scott > > > --- Scott McLarty wrote: > > > Holding Bush to Account for Climate Lies, > > Neglect > > > > > > By John Nichols > > The Nation > > BLOG | Posted 02/06/2007 @ 11:57am > > > http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pid=163597 > > > > > > Viewers of Fox News, listeners to Rush Limbaugh > > and all the other sorry deadenders who choose > > Bush administration propaganda over perspective > > will be shocked to learn that the debate about > > global warming has been over for a long time. > > > > Climate change is real. And the cynical ploy by > > conservative politicians and commentators of > > suggesting otherwise has slowed the American > > response to a crisis scientists say has grown > > so > > severe that -- no matter what is now done to > > reduce emissions of greenhouse gases -- gases > > that have already been produced or are in > > production will continue to contribute to > > global > > warming and the rise of oceans for more than > > 1,000 years. > > > > The message from the world's top scientists is > > sobering. "Warming of the climate system is > > unequivocal, as is now evident from > > observations > > of increases in global average air and ocean > > temperatures, widespread melting of snow and > > ice, > > and rising global mean sea level,'' argues a > > new > > report from the climate scientists working with > > the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change > > formed by the United Nations' Environment > > Program > > and World Meteorological Organization. > > > > The Bush administration has consciously and > > intentionally failed for six years to address > > the > > crisis. Worse yet, the president and his aides > > have actively attempted to foster the fantasy > > that global warming: a. does not exist, b. is a > > natural phenomenon, c. is a good thing or d. > > all > > of the above. > > > > The combination of deliberate inaction and > > delusional denial has earned this president a > > place in history alongside all the past Neros > > who > > have fiddled while their Romes burned. But the > > evidence that the Bush administration tampered > > with scientific research on global warming in > > order to advance its agenda calls for more > > immediate sanction. > > > > The president and those around him have, as > > evidenced by their actions over the past six > > years, proven that they cannot be trusted with > > power. Yet, without an intervention, they will > > retain power for another two years. > > > > That is not a prospect to be considered > > casually. > > > > > > "The Bush Administration is doing to the whole > > world what it did to New Orleans as Katrina > > began > > to descend on the city," says Green Party > > co-chair Rebecca Rotzler, who has been in the > > forefront of demanding an official response to > > the administration's assault on science. "By > > altering scientific research on global warming > > to > > fit his political agenda and refusing to take > > necessary steps to protect the public, > > President > > Bush has aggravated an impending environmental, > > public health, and security crisis. > > > > What to do? The Green Party, for reasons both > > of > > its environmental commitment and the > > seriousness > > with which it approaches issues of political > > accountability, has proposed a proper response. > > Responding to complaints from more than 120 > > scientists from seven federal agencies that > > they > > have been pressured to remove references to > > global warming from research reports, press > > releases, and communications with Congress, the > > Greens have accused the Bush administration of > > conspiring to deceive Congress and the America > > people about fundamental issues facing the > > nation. And there is a proper sanction for so > > serious an offense. > > > > "Congress must recognize the Bush > > Administration's tampering with studies on > > global > > warming and other scientific research as an > > impeachable offense," says Jody Grage, who > > serves > > as treasurer of the Green Party. "Ever since > > Vice > > President Cheney initiated private meetings > > with > > oil company representatives to determine energy > > policy, the administration has placed the > > demands > > for corporate profits over urgent human and > > environmental needs." > > > > Just as there are still those who debate > > whether > > climate change is actually taking place, there > > are still those who debate whether this > > president > > has committed acts that merit impeachment and > > removal from office. > > > > But the Greens are right on this one. > > > > The founders intended impeachment not as a > > legal > > process but as a tool for the protection of the > > nation and its citizens from irrational, > > irresponsible and immoral executives. The point > > of creating a procedure that allowed the > > Congress > > to interrupt a presidential term was not to > > punish minor acts of wrongdoing, it was to > > preserve the republic -- both structurally and > > physically -- from a president whose actions, > > in > > the words of Thomas Jefferson, might be > > "productive of cruel distress to our country." > > > > The European kings and queens against whom > > American revolutionaries took up arms had > > attacked science and free thought in order not > > merely to advance their pet theories but to > > improve their fortunes. A president who did the > > same, Jefferson argued, was no different from a > > monarch -- except that his tenure was > > constitutionally limited. That did not mean, > > however, that Americans should accept a king > > for > > four years. > > > > "An elective despotism was not the government > > we > > fought for, but one which should not only be > > founded on true free principles, but in which > > the > > powers of government should be so divided and > > balanced among general bodies of magistracy, as > > that no one could transcend their legal limits > > without being effectually checked and > > restrained > > by the others," explained the author of the > > Declaration of Independence who would make > > himself the steadiest advocate for democratic > > principles in the early days of the republic. > > > > Jefferson, James Madison, George Mason and > > their > > circle fought to assure that the Constitution > > would include a broad power of impeachment. It > > was, these men of the enlightenment knew, the > > essential corrective against an elective > > despotism that might see an imperial president > > reject even the logic of science in pursuit of > > whims, fantasies and self-interest. > > > > The founders knew that the impetus for > > impeachment might not be an act, but rather an > > inaction. And if that inaction was the result > > of > > a choice by the president and his aides to > > serve > > their oil-industry partners and contributors > > rather than their country and their planet, > > then > > surely it is a high crime against the republic > > -- > > an impeachable crime in the sense intended by > > the > > authors of the Constitution -- that has been > > committed. > > > > The Greens have wisely recognized this fact, > > and > > made an appropriate argument for booting a > > pathetic president from the Oval Office. > > > > Perhaps if those of us who still retain a > > Jeffersonian regard for science begin to speak > > of > > denying climate change as the impeachable > > offense > > that it is, we can begin to put the issue in > > proper perspective for the folks at Fox -- who > > seem only to feel a sense of urgency when their > > dear leader is threatened with sanctions more > > immediate than those of history. > > > > We may, as well, answer the most poignant of > > the > > questions left us by Thomas Jefferson. "Yes, we > > did produce a near-perfect republic," observed > > the third president, who then turned his > > attention to those who would inherit that > > republic and asked: "But will they keep it? > > > > > > John Nichols' new book is THE GENIUS OF > > IMPEACHMENT: The Founders' Cure for Royalism. > > Rolling Stone's Tim Dickinson hails it as a > > "nervy, acerbic, passionately argued > > history-cum-polemic [that] combines a rich > > examination of the parliamentary roots and past > > use of the 'heroic medicine' that is > > impeachment > > with a call for Democratic leaders to 'reclaim > > and reuse the most vital tool handed to us by > > the > > founders for the defense of our most basic > > liberties.'" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL > > _______________________________________________ > > usgp-media mailing list > > usgp-media at gp-us.org > > > http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-media > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather > _______________________________________________ > usgp-media mailing list > usgp-media at gp-us.org > http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-media > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 7 10:26:06 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:26:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] polemics, polemics In-Reply-To: <45C8FBFC.6000701@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <477644.90290.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Our GPSCC resolution is of course not the actual 'articles of impeachment'. It is a call to the congress to initiate the process of impeachment. In it we have included a list of impeachees and a list of impeachable offenses. It is not our job to wordsmith it to My objection to Warner's statement and attitude expressed was that Warner continues to waste everyone's time with statements like 'it will never happen', and 'it's just polemical' (and btw I could post the most outrageous message that Warner sent me personally, but I probably won't for now). Sorry Warner and to all those who don't wish to participate in the regime change we are making happen now in America: If you don't wish to participate, fine, but please don't impede the efforts of the heroic America patriots hard at work in overturning the neoco/neofascist coup that overtook America in 2000 and again in 2004. If you don't have stomach for it, please stand to the side and watch us make it happen. This is a case where Lee Iococa's line applies: "Lead, follow, or get out of the way". Organize, energize, Coalize! Drew --- Jim Doyle wrote: > Articles of Impeachment > A list of charges to be submitted to trial. > Articles of Impeachment > The individual items in the list. > > I have the impression that Warner is referring to the first category, > Drew to the second category > > Jim Doyle > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 7 11:57:45 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:57:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] polemics, polemics In-Reply-To: <477644.90290.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <542624.31235.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> I meant to say its not our job to wordsmith it to the point that the congress could adopt it as actual articles of impeachment, so there's no point it wasting too much time in figuring out exactly how to say that BushCo is impeachable for stealing two elections and recklessly negligent in its handling of Katrina and in denial of Global Warming. Let no one be confused. Impeachment WILL happen. Mark my words. If it took 20 years and all of these criminals were no longer in office we would still work on impeachment until we accomplished it (btw, the person does not have to be in office to be impeached). We must recover our constitutional democracy and destroy the proto-tyrany that BushCo has erected. Fortunately we won't have to wait that long because Conyers will carry through as soon as he senses the political support is there for it and we in the impeachment movement are ensuring that the support is there. Look for impeachment proceedings to begin this year unless they resign first. Then it will take us longer to carry through with the impeachment, but it will still happen. Organize, energize, Coalize! Drew --- JamBoi wrote: > Our GPSCC resolution is of course not the actual 'articles of > impeachment'. It is a call to the congress to initiate the process > of > impeachment. In it we have included a list of impeachees and a list > of > impeachable offenses. It is not our job to wordsmith it to > > My objection to Warner's statement and attitude expressed was that > Warner continues to waste everyone's time with statements like 'it > will > never happen', and 'it's just polemical' (and btw I could post the > most > outrageous message that Warner sent me personally, but I probably > won't > for now). Sorry Warner and to all those who don't wish to > participate > in the regime change we are making happen now in America: If you > don't > wish to participate, fine, but please don't impede the efforts of the > heroic America patriots hard at work in overturning the > neoco/neofascist coup that overtook America in 2000 and again in > 2004. > If you don't have stomach for it, please stand to the side and watch > us > make it happen. This is a case where Lee Iococa's line applies: > "Lead, > follow, or get out of the way". > > Organize, energize, Coalize! > > Drew > > > > --- Jim Doyle wrote: > > > Articles of Impeachment > > A list of charges to be submitted to trial. > > Articles of Impeachment > > The individual items in the list. > > > > I have the impression that Warner is referring to the first > category, > > Drew to the second category > > > > Jim Doyle > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > ___________________ > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 7 12:53:05 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:53:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FWD: GPUS: Support Green Party Programs like Impeachment Petition Message-ID: <303119.4855.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Green Party Support Green Party Programs like Impeachment Petition Dear (JamBoi): Thank you for signing the Green Party petition to impeach Bush and Cheney. We hope you believe, like the majority of Americans, that the war in Iraq is illegal, that use of torture for political prisoners is immoral, and revocation of habeas corpus is unconstitutional. As a supporter of peace and justice, you probably agree with the Green Party on other issues as well. Do you believe that our government must act help reverse global climate change? Do you believe that everyone deserves access to healthcare coverage, regardless of employment status? Do you believe we need to invest in institutions and policies promoting sustainability now, so that our future generations have the opportunity to live a prosperous, healthy life? If you answered yes to any of these questions, we need your help. We need your assistance to help the Green Party to grow and to fund Green Party projects like the Impeachment Petition. Unlike the Democrats and Republicans, the Green Party accepts no corporate contributions, which means we are not vulnerable to corporate influence. If you are already a donor, thank you very much. If not, won't you please consider making a donation? We have made it easy for you simply click on the donation button below. You can further help by asking your friends and family to join you in your support - simply go here ( http://www.democracyinaction.com/dia/track.jsp?key=102094819&url_num=3&url=http://www.democracyinaction.com/dia/organizationsCOM/Greens/tellafriend.jsp?tell_a_friend_KEY=65 ) to list just 5 email addresses. Oh, and if you have not done so already, please ask them to sign the petition located at www.gp.org. The American public voted for change in 2006 but will those newly elected do the right thing? Only the Green Party offers real change from politics as usual. In order to build powerful campaigns to run in 2007, 2008 and into the future, we need your help. The future of our country is in our hands. How much is democracy worth to you? How much are you willing to contribute to make a change for the better? Will you please help us out today? Donate to GP Fund Email: office at gp.org Office: PO Box 57065 Washington, D.C. 20037 202-319-7191 or toll-free (US): 866-41GREEN ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 7 12:59:54 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:59:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] LA Times: Libby testimony says Bush and Cheney planned leaks to reporters(LA Times) Message-ID: <700451.47685.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-libby7feb07,0,4241792.story?track=tothtml Libby testimony details plot to discredit critic On tape, he says Bush and Cheney planned leaks to reporters. By Greg Miller, Times Staff Writer February 7, 2007 WASHINGTON - Former White House official I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby told a grand jury in 2004 that Vice President Dick Cheney was upset by an ambassador's public questioning of the Iraq war and that President Bush, Cheney and Libby were involved in a plan - kept secret from other senior White House officials - to leak previously classified intelligence to reporters to counter the criticism. Libby's audiotape testimony, played for jurors in federal court here, offered new details about how the White House orchestrated a campaign to discredit the Iraq war critic, former envoy Joseph C. Wilson IV. Wilson's wife, undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame, was subsequently exposed in the media, triggering a criminal investigation. As Libby sat silently in the courtroom, jurors heard his recorded voice describe how he was instructed to leak intelligence secrets to select reporters, even as other White House officials were expressing concern over the leaks and debating whether the administration should formally declassify intelligence reports on Iraq to combat criticism of the case for war. At one point, Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald can be heard on the tapes expressing disbelief that Libby would take part in those meetings without disclosing that the president had effectively already declassified key portions of one of the main prewar pieces of intelligence on Iraq, a national intelligence estimate on Saddam Hussein's alleged banned weapons programs. "Was that unusual for you to have the national security advisor, the director of Central Intelligence, the White House chief of staff among others in the dark as to something that you had done regarding declassification?" Fitzgerald asked. "It is not unusual for the vice president to tell me something which I am not allowed to share with others," Libby replied. Libby's remarks came during a day in court devoted entirely to playing audiotapes of the former Cheney aide's grand jury testimony, allowing jurors to listen to the defendant's voice as he made a series of statements that prosecutors have labeled lies. Libby faces five felony counts alleging perjury, making false statements and obstruction of justice for what he told investigators about his role in the campaign to discredit Wilson. The tapes offer an intriguing window into the reaction within the White House to mounting criticism of its crumbling case for war with Iraq, as well as a chance to witness Fitzgerald's method as he sparred with Libby during eight hours of grand jury testimony. Libby can be heard describing in a low voice how Cheney was "upset" when Wilson went public with allegations that the White House had twisted intelligence to make the case for war. In an op-ed article, Wilson said he had been sent to investigate a key claim - that Iraq was seeking uranium from the African nation of Niger - and found it untrue months before Bush included the assertion in his 2003 State of the Union speech. "It was a serious accusation," Libby said. "It was a very serious attack." It also quickly became a "topic that was discussed on a daily basis" in the White House. Libby said that Cheney "thought we should get some of these facts out to the press. He then undertook to get permission from the president to talk about this" to reporters. Libby said that Cheney's lawyer, David S. Addington, had advised him that merely getting such permission from the president rendered the intelligence declassified. Bush has publicly acknowledged doing so. Libby's subsequent conversations with reporters and other White House officials are at the center of the perjury trial. Prosecutors have produced a series of witnesses over the last week, including former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, to say that they learned of Plame's identity from Libby. Libby has testified that he learned about Plame from Cheney in June 2003, but then forgot that detail and didn't share it with others until he heard it from NBC News reporter Tim Russert in a phone call on July 10 or 11. Recounting that conversation, Libby said in taped testimony that Russert asked him, " 'Did you know that Ambassador Wilson's wife works at the CIA?' and I was a little taken aback by that.. And I said, 'No, I don't know that,' intentionally because I didn't want him to take anything I was saying as in any way confirming what he had said." Russert, who is expected to testify this week, has said he did not tell Libby about Plame. Libby's testimony also puts him at odds with other former White House officials. At one point, Fitzgerald asks if he recalled sharing Plame's name with Fleischer, as the former press secretary testified. "Isn't it a fact, sir, that you told Mr. Fleischer over lunch that this was hush-hush or on the Q.T.?" Fitzgerald asked. "I don't recall that," Libby replied. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From wrolley at charter.net Wed Feb 7 13:58:43 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:58:43 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] polemics, polemics In-Reply-To: <542624.31235.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> References: <542624.31235.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45CA4B93.60508@charter.net> JamBoi wrote: > Let no one be confused. Impeachment WILL happen. Mark my words. If it took 20 years and all of these criminals were no longer in office we would still work on impeachment until we accomplished it (btw, the person does not have to be in office to be impeached). We must recover our constitutional democracy and destroy the proto-tyrany that BushCo has erected. Fortunately we won't have to wait that long because Conyers will carry through as soon as he senses the political support is there for it and we in the impeachment movement are ensuring that the support is there. While I am very happy to see your energy applied to this, I think that everyone needs to take the time to analyze the matter with more intellect and less emotion. If you remember the calls for Nixon's impeachment (I do) it did not take place until it was supported by Republicans. In that case, there was a lot of documentation and a "smoking gun" in several areas. However, it was not until a few Republicans, like McCloskey, called for Nixon to resign the effort really moved. It might be good advice to read McCloskey OpEd "Nixon and Bush: Presidential Parallels?" at CommonDreams (http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0717-19.htm) McCloskey is dealing with the corruption that comes with having power. While Nixon had the Watergate hearings to demonstrate his complicity in matters, we have the "Scooter" Llibby trial, a result of the things about which McCloskey wrote. I think that this reveals something very different, though equally repugnant. While Nixon was very involved in the machinations of internal politics, Bush seems to only set goals and I seriously doubt that anyone will ever find any 17 minutes of erased tape. I do believe that you will find more fingerprints of Karl Rove in the matter, however and ultimately, may see him in the same position as Libby. Question: How many members of the media in Washington want to be the next Bob Woodward? One note is the fact that Bush very pointedly did not do what McCloskey suggested. Instead they set up Libby as the sacrificial offering to the Gods of Truth. If you rely on Conyers to hold those hearings, I think you will wait a long time. If, rather, you can find another McCloskey in the Republican Party, and convince that person to act, you may be successful. -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From baalavi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 7 16:14:48 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:14:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Watada MISTRIAL (Was) Re: books inc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <709155.52746.qm@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> More signals to prove there's a crack in the dam? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070207/ts_nm/usa_iraq_officer_dc;_ylt=Au4Wd651nAm9PdV_ZwUmhk8DW7oF Impeach the murderers ba Michael Fischetti wrote: reminder - meeting - books inc - wed - tommorrow - 6:30 - silicon valley impeachment coalition/ save the constitution see you there agenda 1. feb 14 events- delivery of demand for impeachment to politicians- drew and merriam 2. planning for peter phillips talk feb 16 3. whether to join larger impeachment group - merriam 4. next event 5.. the vigil mike f _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://get.live.com/messenger/overview --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredd at freeshell.org Wed Feb 7 17:41:37 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:41:37 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Please Reserve Friday, Feb. 16 for Talk on Impeachment Message-ID: <45CA7FD1.4020300@freeshell.org> YOU ARE INVITED TO MEET DR. PETER PHILLIPS who will speak on the critical need to IMPEACH the neocon rulers of our government, Bush, Cheney and possibly others. On Friday, February 16, (7:30 p.m.), the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition (SVIC) will host Sonoma State's Professor Phillips in the Willow Park Condo CLUBHOUSE located on the northeast corner of Moffett Blvd. and West Middlefield Road in Mountain View. (Peter Phillips, Ph.D., Director of "Project Censored" and Dennis Loo, Ph.D. who is an Assoc. Prof. at Cal. State Polytechnic University, Pomona, have co-edited a book of essays, including their own, advocating the impeachment of Bush and Cheney. The book, " Impeach the President: the Case Against Bush and Cheney," will be available to purchase.) The admission is FREE. Donations will be appreciated. Please spread the word and bring others. In the interest of peace, justice and the U.S. Constitution, Fred Duperrault, SVIC Events Committee Member Contact: (650) 691-1215; fredd at freeshell.org From pjohna at rcn.com Wed Feb 7 18:05:32 2007 From: pjohna at rcn.com (John Anderson) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:05:32 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] SVIC meeting tonight - some topics for consideration In-Reply-To: <42248.61114.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> References: <42248.61114.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Agenda 1. feb 14 events- delivery of demand for impeachment to politicians- drew and merriam 2. planning for peter phillips talk feb 16 3. whether to join larger impeachment group - merriam 4. next event 5.. the vigil - now to be "Outreach" Hi everyone: I don't want to take up a lot of time given that there is already a lot to discuss, but I'd like to introduce some ideas and suggestions, pass then around for quick comment, and maybe take them up next meeting. 1. Articles of impeachment: If impeachment happens, the House Judiciary Committee will draft articles of impeachment. So why are we having this debate about putting together our own articles of impeachment? Well, it helps concentrate the mind; it provides a focus for our campaign; it provides the message for us to be on so that we can speak coherently and more or less in concert with each other. This is so strategically useful that a set of model articles, remember, the real thing will be the purview of the House Judiciary Committee, that a set of well drafted articles is a very good idea. When it comes to articles of impeachment, there is really only one game in town. These are the articles drafted by the Center for Constitutional Rights: www.ccr-ny.org/v2/home.asp. I have the book and will bring it in. One look at the book and you can see it immediately: CCR are the grown ups. The rest of us are kids. When they speak we need to keep quiet and listen up. Then disagree if you must, but listen first. There are only four articles, the biggies, no Katrina, no global warming, no failure to prevent 9/11. Not that these aren't bad things, even crimes, but strategically, CCR understands that you go for the low hanging fruit. Go for the articles on which you can win most easily: 1. Illegal spying; 2. Lying us into war; 3. Illegal detention, torture, expansion of executive authority over both the other branches of government. 4. Repudiation of constitutional constraints on executive authority as specifically laid out in signing statements which declare his right to continue illegal spying and illegal detentions and torture. I'll bring in copies for distribution and suggest that we discuss this further next meeting. 2. How to get impeachment on the table: Nancy Pelosi says that impeachment is off the table. Cynthia McKinney put it back on the table before she left but it didn't stay there. We can summarize our task as the Pelosi Problem: how do we get her to put it on the table? Vigils aren't going to do it, not by themselves. Vigils take place on the corner of Castro and El Camino. That's a long way from Washington. It's not even that close to her California office. And even if we were to occupy her office indefinitely, it wouldn't do much to pressure or persuade her. We solve the Pelosi Problem by lateral thinking. We solve it by going elsewhere. We go to the state legislature and demand that it submit articles of impeachment directly to the House as it is entitled to do so under the Jefferson rules. New Mexico is showing the way. There has been a lot of excited comment about this. We should be trying to do the same thing in California. In the end, it's the only realistic way to solve the Pelosi Problem: go round her. It will take only one of the 50 states to do it and impeachment is under way! We should see getting California to be that state as the vineyard in which we labor. As a means to that end, we should be trying to persuade Mountain View and other municipalities to request of the Califonia legislature that it draft and submit article of impeachment - here the model articles from CCR might well have further use. There will be resistance with claims that it's not within a city council's proper sphere to be engaged in such activities; all these arguments can be rebutted. And why start locally? As Tip O'Neill famously said: "All politics is local". The smaller the scale of Govt., the more responsive to the people. We go to the council because they are here and can't escape us. The campaign will attract attention, and publicity, and generate debate. Win or lose, we win on those grounds at least. So let's start thinking globally and acting locally. It will work! - John Anderson. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This might be reasonable with GROW, since one of their "tasks" is to assist the organization of new counties or to help revitalize counties that seem to have fallen apart. - the total amounts requested far exceed the total party income. - the amounts requested are not tied to specific, achievable goals. Since I am involved with two Working Groups (GROW and Green Issues) I want to solicit input from Santa Clara County Greens as to what they would want to see these two groups accomplish. Green Issues Working Group (GIWG): (http://www.cagreens.org/giwg/) According to the bylaws of GPCA, the _Goals_ of the Working Group include: * To identify current issues and events for which the GPCA has no position; * To sponsor resolutions on current issues to be passed by the GPCA Plenary body, when appropriate; * To sponsor debate of issues that may impact the platform; * To interface with the Platform Standing Committee and with candidates who are running for office as Green Party members, as appropriate; * To build coalitions with other organizations. In the past year, Green Issues has expended the most energy on health care reform, supporting the minimum hourly wage initiatives and on genetically modified organisms. The level of success greatly varied. It seems to me that the greatest energy in the Santa Clara County organization is being spent on anti-war efforts, the impeachment movement and in helping to put together a county wide health care coalition. What actions do you required (desire) from GIWG in support of local goals? What areas do you believe that GIWG should address for the very reason that no one else is devoting enough (any) energy to them right now and that they are "important"? Grassroots Organizing Working Group (GROW): (http://www.cagreens.org/grow/) The Mission of GROW is: * *To facilitate coordination and communication between local Green Party organizers and groups; and to provide resources for collaboration, skill sharing, and training in order to promote the strategic growth and diversity of the Green Party of California. Past efforts have been focused on party literature and providing assistance to locals and / or county councils during their startup. The biggest part of the GROW budget is spent on Green Focus newspaper and the newspaper reports through GROW. Editor, Don Boring, participates regularly in every GROW meeting and telecon. What additional requirements does the GP-SCC have for GROW? What things would you like to see done in a different manner? (e.g. one suggestion has been to provide Green Focus in Spanish.) I would hope that I can get some responses to this so that I can help guide the mandatory budget discussions in these two groups toward necessary and achievable objectives. -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From rob.means at electric-bikes.com Thu Feb 8 09:25:06 2007 From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:25:06 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] letter to editor of the Milpitas Post Message-ID: <000001c74ba6$13e72c00$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06> Isn't it time President Bush and his cohorts were impeached? Their corruption, and that of the complicit Republican Party, has been evident for years. Although we could argue that his disregard for global warming, international law and the Iraqi people are grounds for impeachment, let's stick with the core issues: 1. Illegal spying; 2. Lying us into war; 3. Illegal detention, torture, and expansion of executive authority over both other branches of government. 4. Repudiation of constitutional constraints on executive authority (see his signing statements which declare his right to continue illegal spying, illegal detentions and torture). For details, see Center for Constitutional Rights: www.ccr-ny.org/v2/home.asp Our elected officials are sworn to uphold the Constitution. They dishonor that oath by allowing this President to continue violating the Constitution. Naturally, we think the U. S. Congress should take the lead on impeachment. Allowed to, Rep. John Conyers of the House Judiciary Committee would do so promptly. But Nancy Pelosi says that impeachment is off the table. So, how do we the people get it on the table? We go to the state legislature and demand that it submit articles of impeachment directly to the House. New Mexico is showing the way. We should be trying to do the same thing in California. It will take only one of the 50 states to do it and impeachment is under way! One way to force the issue is to persuade Milpitas and other municipalities to request the California legislature to draft and submit articles of impeachment. Our elected officials may claim that it's not within a city council's proper sphere to be engaged in such activities. However, other cities have stepped up to fight global warming and the PATRIOT Act. Why not the protection of our Constitution, the sworn duty of every elected official? And what about each of us? If you care about global warming, human rights, fiscal responsibility, honest politics or America's world standing, you also will call for impeachment. Contact Milpitas Council members and urge them to stop the madness in Washington. For our sakes, and that of our children and grandchildren we must stand up for our country. Rob Means 1421 Yellowstone Avenue Milpitas, CA 95035-6913 408-262-0420 rob.means at electric-bikes.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 15:36:44 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:36:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Re: [gpcaActivists] CAGP Retreat Location details>In Sonoma County< Message-ID: <865716.30872.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Fellow GPSCC County Council members - we need to reschedule our County Council meeting (previously scheduled for 2:30 Fe 24 I think) so that we can go to the CAGP retreat (Fe 23-25). Organize, energize, coalize! Drew --- Randy Hicks wrote: > To: gpcaActivists at yahoogroups.com > From: Randy Hicks > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:56:31 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: [gpcaActivists] CAGP Retreat Location details>In Sonoma > County< > > is that 118 dollars for all 3 day include lodging > personally i like to go but it could be cost > prohibitive > randy sac county green > --- david_quinley wrote: > > > The site located for the Weekend Strategy Retreat > > is Valley of the > > Moon Camp, 2700 Morningside Mountain Drive, Glen > > Ellen, CA 95442 > > (southeast of Santa Rosa -- see > > http://www.uccr.org/driving_von.htm > > (I cant get > > link to work how > > about you guys) Per person cost will depend on > > time of arrival. We > > have the following information at this time. > > Lodging: > > > > - Friday night $37.50/person > > - Saturday night $37.50/person > > > > Meals (includes 7.75% Sonoma County sales tax) > > > > - Saturday breakfast $7 > > - Saturday lunch $9.25 > > - Saturday dinner $10.50 > > - Sunday breakfast $7 > > - Sunday lunch $9.25 > > > > Day Fee (no fee required if person pays for lodging, > > if not one must pay > > fee for each day present, but no fee for Friday) > > > > - Saturday $19 > > - Sunday $19 > > Friday Saturday Saturday Saturday > > Sunday Sunday Sunday > > only only $118 $80.50 > > $45.75* > > $35.25* *Minus $7 without breakfast More information > > as it becomes > > available. Warner > > _______________________________________________ > > gpca-ccwg mailing list > > gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-ccwg > > > > > -- > > /Jo Chamberlain. > > _______________________________________________ > > gpca-ccwg mailing list > > gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-ccwg > > [Green Party of California] Green Party > > Stategic Retreat > > February 23-25 (Friday-Sunday) in Sonoma County > > > > The retreat is open to all GPCA members, with a > > particular focus on: > > > > * members of GPCA statewide Standing Committees > > and Working Groups > > and others active on the state level * members > > of GPCA County > > Councils and others active on the county level * > > former (and future) > > GPCA candidates, campaign managers and campaign > > workers * former and > > present Greens holding elected and appointed office > > > > During this retreat, Saturday's focus during the > > daytime will be on GPCA > > electoral strategy for 2007-2008, and the sessions > > be coordinated by our > > state party's Campaigns & Candidates Working Group. > > > > Saturday evening will feature a special suprise > > guest that you won't > > want to miss. > > > > On Sunday, the focus will be on various GPCA > > internal party issues that > > would benefit from free flowing discussions, before > > they are brought > > forward to our state business meetings (General > > Assemblies) for > > decision-making. > > > > These sessions will be coordinated by our state > > party's Strategy > > Committee, with presentations by GPCA members > > involved with each issue > > at hand. > > > > Sunday will also feature a gathering of present and > > past Green > > officeholders, with the goal of establishing a > > California Green > > Officeholders Network. > > > > The location for the Stategic Retreat will be at a > > lodge/camp in Sonoma > > County, just outside of the city of Sonoma, about 45 > > minutes north of > > San Francisco. > > > > The reason for choosing such a venue, is so that > > party members can > > benefit from the informal contact, social/networking > > and team-building > > opportunities that staying in the same place > > together can provide. In > > order to make this possible, inexpensive lodging on > > site will be > > available - and is encourged - for both Friday and > > Saturday evenings. > > > > The exact registration fee will be established later > > this week and you > > will receive a follow up email with that and all > > other relevant > > logistical information. > > > > A current draft schedule can is here > > > > > [Password > > Protected] > > > > An updated agenda (with more background links and > > materials) will come > > out soon, along with the registration information. > > > > Additional information will also be available here > > > > > [Password > > Protected] ; more retreat details will be posted > > there in coming weeks. > > > > For more information contact: > > > > * Warner Bloomberg , > > Campaigns & > > Candidates Working Group * Mike Feinstein > > , Strategy > > Committee > > > > Last updated: 02/01/2007 (BH) > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! 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Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 8 15:58:56 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:58:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] polemics, polemics In-Reply-To: <45CA4B93.60508@charter.net> Message-ID: <644838.37666.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Likewise in this case the Republicans are peeling away from BushCo as they realize just how fanatical and tyrannous Bush truly is. I fully agree that it will take Republicans to get it done, and to those doubters out there that are still confused about this check this out: my prediction - the Republicans will take a major role in impeaching Bush. There will be a number of McCloskey's. Don't forget about Ron Paul for instance. I totally disagree however that what we need now is a dispassionate view. We had dispassion when no WMD were found. We has dispassion when the crimes of Abu Graib were revealed. Where were the people in the streets when our land was dragged down into the mud by BushCo??? We had dispassion when the BushCo used Katrina to eliminate a major Black city in the U.S. via negligence, design and malfeasance. We had dispassion when every outrage was perpetrated upon us and still we have apathetic dipassion. No my friends, emotion and anger in particular is indeed an extremely powerful force, and now the anger of progressives in America and clear thinking people all over the planet demands the impeachment of Bush. At this moment I say 'to hell with dispassion' toward BushCo. It is long, long, long past the time to act constructively on the anger we feel. Now that the Dems have the majority we must act to push them into doing the right thing (over their extreme objections if necessary). If we wait too long I fear we will see less benign forces use anger extremely destructively and violently. Patriots can not sit on their backside and wait for the worst to happen. We must act now and we must demand impeachment now!!! Let the lame Democrats bring up the rear with their dispassion. We are not Dems. We are Greens and we will lead the way to a renewal of our American constitution in spite of the 'elected dictatorship' of The Duopoly corporate parties. BTW Wes, we are not 'relying' on ANY corporate party politician, Conyers included to bring impeachment. The Impeachment Movement is a Do It Yourself affair. We are moving throughout the U.S. to make this thing happen. It matters not whether to get it started it takes 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years, or 20 years, we WILL get it done. If anyone doesn't wish to participate, stand aside and observe us do it. But don't stand in the way or you'll be run over by stampede of The People bringing remaking the government back into a government for, by and of The People. Impeach early and often! Drew --- Wes Rolley wrote: > JamBoi wrote: > > Let no one be confused. Impeachment WILL happen. Mark my words. > If it took 20 years and all of these criminals were no longer in > office we would still work on impeachment until we accomplished it > (btw, the person does not have to be in office to be impeached). We > must recover our constitutional democracy and destroy the > proto-tyrany that BushCo has erected. Fortunately we won't have to > wait that long because Conyers will carry through as soon as he > senses the political support is there for it and we in the > impeachment movement are ensuring that the support is there. > While I am very happy to see your energy applied to this, I think > that > everyone needs to take the time to analyze the matter with more > intellect and less emotion. > > If you remember the calls for Nixon's impeachment (I do) it did not > take > place until it was supported by Republicans. In that case, there was > a > lot of documentation and a "smoking gun" in several areas. However, > it was not until a few Republicans, like McCloskey, called for Nixon > to > resign the effort really moved. It might be good advice to read > McCloskey OpEd "Nixon and Bush: Presidential Parallels?" at > CommonDreams > (http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0717-19.htm) McCloskey is > dealing > with the corruption that comes with having power. > > While Nixon had the Watergate hearings to demonstrate his complicity > in > matters, we have the "Scooter" Llibby trial, a result of the things > about which McCloskey wrote. I think that this reveals something very > > different, though equally repugnant. While Nixon was very involved in > > the machinations of internal politics, Bush seems to only set goals > and > I seriously doubt that anyone will ever find any 17 minutes of erased > > tape. I do believe that you will find more fingerprints of Karl Rove > in > the matter, however and ultimately, may see him in the same position > as > Libby. > > Question: How many members of the media in Washington want to be the > next Bob Woodward? > > One note is the fact that Bush very pointedly did not do what > McCloskey > suggested. Instead they set up Libby as the sacrificial offering to > the > Gods of Truth. > > If you rely on Conyers to hold those hearings, I think you will wait > a > long time. If, rather, you can find another McCloskey in the > Republican > Party, and convince that person to act, you may be successful. > > > -- > > Wesley C. Rolley ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From alexcathy at aol.com Thu Feb 8 16:27:19 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:27:19 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fear-Mongering and Hype by Jonah Goldberg Message-ID: <8C919F831A39789-CB8-88E6@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, I almost laughed out loud when I read Jonah Goldberg?s commentary about ?fear-mongering? and ?hype? on global warming (?Cooling Off Costs Too Much,? by Jonah Goldberg, LATimes, February 8, 2007). Interesting choice of words. This comes exactly two years to the day from Goldberg?s wager with Juan Cole: ??let's make a bet. I predict that Iraq won't have a civil war, that it will have a viable constitution, and that a majority of Iraqis and Americans will, in two years time, agree that the war was worth it?? -- Jonah Goldberg, February 8, 2005. Here are samples of Goldberg?s ?hype? of Mr. Bush?s War: April 23, 2002: ?Why Iraq? Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.? January 29, 2003: ?In the weeks prior to the war to liberate Afghanistan, a good friend of mine would ask me almost every day, "Why aren't we killing people yet?" And I never had a good answer for him. Because one of the most important and vital things the United States could do after 9/11 was to kill people.? October 20, 2003: ?Q: If you're the leader of a peaceful and prosperous nation which serves as the last best hope of humanity and the backbone of international stability and a bunch of fanatics murder thousands of your people on your own soil, what's one of the smartest thing you can do? A: Knock the crap out of Iraq. Why Iraq? ? Why not?" The distinguished editors of the Los Angeles Times, in their Chicago Tribune corporate Republican majesty, have deemed this ?wisdom? that the good people of Los Angeles cannot do without. Voters have fired the worst of Bush?s crew in Congress. Now it?s time to fire Jonah Goldberg. Send Letters to the L.A. Times at letters at latimes.com. I have posted ?diaries? on this matter on: www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/02/08/18359492.php and also on: www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/8/165555/1243 Truly yours, Alex Walker ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at ispwest.com Fri Feb 9 02:35:00 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:35:00 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] polemics, polemics References: 644838.37666.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com Message-ID: <45CC4E54.2010304@ispwest.com> JamBoi wrote: > >BTW Wes, we are not 'relying' on ANY corporate party politician, >Conyers included to bring impeachment. The Impeachment Movement is a >Do It Yourself affair. We are moving throughout the U.S. to make this >thing happen. It matters not whether to get it started it takes 2 >days, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years, or 20 years, we WILL get it done. If >anyone doesn't wish to participate, stand aside and observe us do it. >But don't stand in the way or you'll be run over by stampede of The >People bringing remaking the government back into a government for, by >and of The People. > >Impeach early and often! > > Ummmm... If I told my Engineering Teachers that we could impeach the President without any support from incumbents they would either have laughed at me or done something much worse. We can honor the Bill of Rights without their help, but we can't do the job of the *Legislative Branch*(TM) without thier help. It's good to see lots of spirit on the County Council though! -- Tian I gave Fred the bag I got last year from Fred's in Florida. http://tian.greens.org From wrolley at charter.net Fri Feb 9 08:56:49 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:56:49 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Background on pre-Iraq War Intelligence Message-ID: <45CCA7D1.4000307@charter.net> A friend of mine sent me the following from the Washington Post, along with his own comments. (Does not want his email widely used so this was not forwarded.) I will add .... Interesting observation from David Brooks on the Charlie Rose show this week. Brooks told Rose that the Administration was convinced that the CIA "never got anything right" and therefore discounted anything that came their way. After all, the CIA missed 911, etc. etc. That made it easy to believe the "alteratives" when they came forward and especially easy for them to convince themselves that they had the right stuff. It proved embarrassing in that the CIA was more nearly right than they were. -- From my friend.... According to the Pentagon's Inspector General (not some peace-nik Democrat), it was Douglas Feith (a political hack of Cheney's and a "leading" neo-con) who exaggerated the links between Iraq and al Qaeda in order to provide the false justification that took this took this country to war. Civil War, that is. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/08/AR2007020802387_pf.html Official's Key Report On Iraq Is Faulted 'Dubious' Intelligence Fueled Push for War By Walter Pincus and R. Jeffrey Smith Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, February 9, 2007; A01 Intelligence provided by former undersecretary of defense Douglas J. Feith to buttress the White House case for invading Iraq included "reporting of dubious quality or reliability" that supported the political views of senior administration officials rather than the conclusions of the intelligence community, according to a report by the Pentagon's inspector general. Feith's office "was predisposed to finding a significant relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," according to portions of the report, released yesterday by Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.). The inspector general described Feith's activities as "an alternative intelligence assessment process." An unclassified summary of the full document is scheduled for release today in a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, which Levin chairs. In that summary, a copy of which was obtained from another source by The Washington Post, the inspector general concluded that Feith's assessment in 2002 that Iraq and al-Qaeda had a "mature symbiotic relationship" was not fully supported by available intelligence but was nonetheless used by policymakers. At the time of Feith's reporting, the CIA had concluded only that there was an "evolving" association, "based on sources of varying reliability." In a telephone interview yesterday, Feith emphasized the inspector general's conclusion that his actions, described in the report as "inappropriate," were not unlawful. "This was not 'alternative intelligence assessment,' " he said. "It was from the start a criticism of the consensus of the intelligence community, and in presenting it I was not endorsing its substance." Feith, who was defense policy chief before leaving the government in 2005, was one of the key contributors to the administration's rationale for war. His intelligence activities, authorized by then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul D. Wolfowitz, and coordinated with Vice President Cheney's office, stemmed from an administration belief that the CIA was underplaying evidence of then-Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's ties with al-Qaeda. In interviews with Pentagon investigators, the summary document said, Feith insisted that his activities did not constitute intelligence and that "even if they were, [they] would be appropriate given that they were responding to direction from the Deputy Secretary of Defense." The report was requested in fall 2005 by Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), then chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Although the committee and a number of official inquiries had criticized the administration's prewar intelligence, Democratic senators, led by Levin, demanded further investigation of Feith's operation. "The bottom line is that intelligence relating to the Iraq-al-Qaeda relationship was manipulated by high-ranking officials in the Department of Defense to support the administration's decision to invade Iraq," Levin said yesterday. "The inspector general's report is a devastating condemnation of inappropriate activities in the DOD policy office that helped take this nation to war." The summary document confirmed a range of accusations that Levin had leveled against Feith's office, alleging inaccurate work. Feith's office, it said, drew on "both reliable and unreliable" intelligence reports in 2002 to produce a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq "that was much stronger than that assessed by the IC [Intelligence Community] and more in accord with the policy views of senior officials in the Administration." It stated that the office produced intelligence assessments "inconsistent" with the U.S. intelligence community consensus, calling those actions "inappropriate" because the assessments purported to be "intelligence products" but were far more conclusive than the consensus view. In particular, the summary cited the defense policy office's preparation of slides describing as a "known contact" an alleged 2001 meeting in Prague between Mohamed Atta, the leader of the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, and an Iraqi intelligence officer. That claim figured heavily in statements by Cheney and other senior administration officials alleging a link between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi regime, but it has since been discredited. Three versions of the briefing prepared by Feith's office were presented in August and September 2002 -- months before the U.S. invasion of Iraq -- to I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, then Cheney's chief of staff; Rumsfeld; and then-deputy national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, the summary states. But only "some of the information" in those briefings was "supported by available intelligence," the summary said. The version of the briefing presented to senior Bush officials, it said, contained different information than a presentation to the CIA. Left out of the version for the CIA, the inspector general said, was "a slide that said there were 'fundamental problems' " with the way the intelligence community was presenting the evidence. While Pentagon officials said in responses cited in the summary that no senior policymakers mistook these briefings as "intelligence assessments," the inspector general said that administration officials had indeed cited classified intelligence that allegedly documented a close al-Qaeda-Iraq relationship. The policy office, the summary stated, "was inappropriately performing Intelligence Activities . . . that should be performed by the Intelligence Community." The summary recommended no action within the Defense Department because, it said, the current collaboration under new leadership at the Pentagon and the intelligence community "will significantly reduce the opportunity for the inappropriate conduct of intelligence activities outside intelligence channels." Staff writer Karen DeYoung contributed to this report. -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From baalavi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 9 09:03:33 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:03:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Background on pre-Iraq War Intelligence In-Reply-To: <45CCA7D1.4000307@charter.net> Message-ID: <411106.32822.qm@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html Wes Rolley wrote: A friend of mine sent me the following from the Washington Post, along with his own comments. (Does not want his email widely used so this was not forwarded.) I will add .... --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at ispwest.com Fri Feb 9 16:00:50 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:00:50 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] MY father told me this happened during the Viet Nam era. Message-ID: <45CD0B32.9000906@ispwest.com> I got forwarded this evidence the Pentagon "did it again": >Defense Department's inspector general depicts a Pentagon >that purposely manipulated intelligence in an effort to link >Saddam Hussein to al-Qaida in the runup to the U.S. invasion >of Iraq, says the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. > http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/18371 At the peace march I went to a couple of weeks ago the most common speech problem was somebody saying "Vietnam" and then getting an "ooops" look on their face and quickly adding "I meant Iraq." I saw it over and over, on all kinds of people. I never heard about people confusing "Korea" and "Vietnam", but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. -- Tian I gave Fred the bag I got last year from Fred's in Florida. http://tian.greens.org From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 9 12:17:25 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:17:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] polemics, polemics In-Reply-To: <45CC4E54.2010304@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <585285.39525.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> Well that's the problem for engineers: they think they have all the answers whether or not they've actually studied the problem at hand. Furthermore they misunderstand the formal visible structure (ie. things like the Consititution to be the source of the power. For Political Scientists of which I'm one we realize that 1) real power comes from a variety of sources, including but not limited to a) The People (including populist movements) b) The Elites (including Corporations and the Corporatocracy), c) Parties, d) The Military and are effected through such elements including but not limited to 1) Economics 2) Electoral Politics 3) Politcal Pressure Tactics (which include Direct Democracy and Civil Disobedience tatics) 4) Force (ie. military and insurgencies), etc. We Political Science understand that incumbents are persuadable, and just as Wes pointed out that it was when the REPUBLICANS turned on Nixon that his house of cards crumbled, so it will be in this case. Even the most questionable and on-the-take politician understands that in order to remain the incumbent they must at least appear to be responsive to their constituents. Everyone needs to understand the power of "The Tipping Point" (here's a google search on the term: http://tinyurl.com/3ca8lz ). It does not require a majority to effect radical change. It just takes a network of influentials and the whole society can flip in a breathtaking way. Watch this as it is about to occur. This is how The People will effect regime change in the U.S. Impeachment is on its way. Take it from a Political Scientist and don't put too much stock in engineering instructors, who are entirely unfamiliar with how things really operate in the realm of politics. ;-) Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew --- Tian Harter wrote: > JamBoi wrote: > > > > >BTW Wes, we are not 'relying' on ANY corporate party politician, > >Conyers included to bring impeachment. The Impeachment Movement is > a > >Do It Yourself affair. We are moving throughout the U.S. to make > this > >thing happen. It matters not whether to get it started it takes 2 > >days, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years, or 20 years, we WILL get it done. > If > >anyone doesn't wish to participate, stand aside and observe us do > it. > >But don't stand in the way or you'll be run over by stampede of The > >People bringing remaking the government back into a government for, > by > >and of The People. > > > >Impeach early and often! > > > > > Ummmm... If I told my Engineering Teachers that we could impeach > the President without any support from incumbents they would > either have laughed at me or done something much worse. We can > honor the Bill of Rights without their help, but we can't do the job > of the *Legislative Branch*(TM) without thier help. > > It's good to see lots of spirit on the County Council though! > > -- > Tian ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From alexcathy at aol.com Sat Feb 10 14:08:10 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:08:10 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BARACK OBAMA Message-ID: <8C91B7715BB8E47-1E4C-8C32@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, I watched Sen. Barack Obama on C-Span today. I haven't said too much about him. I am sort of in the "wait and see" camp. Most of my wife's family still lives in Illinois and so, I think the first time I ever heard about him was from my brother-in-law, Martin Deppe, who told me about a bright young state senator from Southside Chicago that was starting to make a big splash. He gave a fiery anti-war speech at one of the first big demonstrations in Chicago before the war back in 2002 and his candidacy for the U.S. Senate in 2004 partly came out of that. Santa Claus brought me his book The Audacity of Hope over the holidays. I've read most of it, but I haven't finished it, because frankly, it's a campaign book full of "on-the-one-hand" and "on-the-other-hand" stuff. I've seen a lot of politicians. Obama is good. Make no mistake. He?s good. He's young. He's good-looking. He's sharp. He can rap. He WILL inspire a new generation of activists. No doubt about it. There was a time (when I was still young and naive), when I would have signed up for this campaign right away. Let's just say he represents the best... of mainstream... Democratic Party neoliberalism. Let me just say that with all the good and bad that this implies. Right in the prologue to his book -- page 10 -- he writes: I am a Democrat, after all; my views on most topics correspond more closely to the editorial pages of The New York Times than those of The Wall Street Journal. I am angry about politics that consistently favor the wealthy and powerful over average Americans, and insist that government has an important role in opening up opportunity for all? From there Barack goes into a little catechism of ?I Believe? statements: I believe in evolution, scientific inquiry, and global warming; I believe in free speech, whether politically correct or politically incorrect, and I am suspicious of using government to impose anybody?s religious beliefs ? including my own ? on nonbelievers. Furthermore, I am a prisoner of my own biography; I can?t help but view the American experience through the lens of a black man of mixed heritage, forever mindful of how generations of people who looked like me were subjugated and stigmatized, and the subtle and not so subtle ways that race and class continue to shape our lives. But that is not all that I am ? So far, so good. He?s a nice liberal. Now comes the other shoe: But that is not all that I am. I also think my party can be smug, detached, and dogmatic at times. I believe in the free market, competition, and entrepreneurship, and think no small number of government programs don?t work as advertised. I wish the country had fewer lawyers and more engineers. I think America has more often been a force for good than for ill in the world; I carry few illusions about our enemies, and revere the courage and competence of our military. I reject a politics that is based solely on racial identify, gender identity, sexual orientation, or victimhood generally. I think much of what ails the inner city involves a breakdown in culture that will not be cured by money alone, and that our values and spiritual life matter at least as much as our GDP. People who know me well can guess which parts of this that Alex Walker doesn?t like. ?I believe in free speech, whether politically correct or politically incorrect?? What ?political correctness?? When are people going to drop this silly clich? that was funny for about fifteen minutes back in 1991? ?I believe in the free market, competition, and entrepreneurship?? Why do ?good liberals? always have to genuflect to the hegemony of corporate capitalism? When I read stuff like this (and I read it everyday), I realize that, philosophically, I?m still socialist and Green. ?I wish the country had fewer lawyers and more engineers?? Nice touch -- when both you and your wife are Harvard lawyers. ?I think much of what ails the inner city involves a breakdown in culture? our values and spiritual life matter at least as much as our GDP?? Blame the victim! Blame for the victim for her terrible ?Culture of Poverty.? Remember, this section is about ways in which being a Democrat and being Black is ?not all that I am.? In other words, this section is implicitly about how he is not about Democrat ?liberal permissiveness? and the ?black pathology? which "everybody" knows is about all you need to know about "being Black? in America. He just said ?I believe in the free market? but here he says ?our values and spiritual life matter at least as much as our GDP.? Let him tell that to the boys at the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. This "breakdown" occurs all over the world wherever the ?free market? religion takes hold. It is one of the central contradictions of capitalism (but alas, the fact that I even use a phrase like ?contradictions of capitalism? shows how ?smug, detached, and dogmatic? I am). Last, but certainly not least, comes this: ?I think America has more often been a force for good than for ill in the world? and revere the courage and competence of our military?? Ah! The age-old myth of ?American Exceptionalism.? When I was still young and naive (that is, before I was forty), I used to genuflect at this altar. As late as the 1991 Gulf War I was one of those suckers who insisted on displaying an American flag at all our antiwar events. When I ran for office, my original design for a campaign flyer included a little American flag in the corner. Thank goodness Carole Hanisch, my graphics expert, convinced me to drop that bullshit. The end result was much more attractive and effective. Today, I agree 100% with Howard Zinn, who recently wrote a powerful essay on this matter. The notion of American exceptionalism?that the United States alone has the right, whether by divine sanction or moral obligation, to bring civilization, or democracy, or liberty to the rest of the world, by violence if necessary?is not new. It started as early as 1630 in the Massachusetts Bay Colony when Governor John Winthrop uttered the words that centuries later would be quoted by Ronald Reagan. Winthrop called the Massachusetts Bay Colony a ?city upon a hill.? Reagan embellished a little, calling it a ?shining city on a hill.? The idea of a city on a hill is heartwarming. It suggests what George Bush has spoken of: that the United States is a beacon of liberty and democracy. People can look to us and learn from and emulate us. In reality, we have never been just a city on a hill. A few years after Governor Winthrop uttered his famous words, the people in the city on a hill moved out to massacre the Pequot Indians. Here?s a description by William Bradford, an early settler, of Captain John Mason?s attack on a Pequot village. . . . Some liberals in this country, opposed to Bush, nevertheless are closer to his principles on foreign affairs than they want to acknowledge. . . . The major newspapers, television news shows, and radio talk shows appear not to know history, or prefer to forget it. There was an outpouring of praise for Bush?s second inaugural speech in the press, including the so-called liberal press (The Washington Post, The New York Times). The editorial writers eagerly embraced Bush?s words about spreading liberty in the world, as if they were ignorant of the history of such claims, as if the past two years? worth of news from Iraq were meaningless. Only a couple of days before Bush uttered those words about spreading liberty in the world, The New York Times published a photo of a crouching, bleeding Iraqi girl. She was screaming. Her parents, taking her somewhere in their car, had just been shot to death by nervous American soldiers. . . . The true heroes of our history are those Americans who refused to accept that we have a special claim to morality and the right to exert our force on the rest of the world. I think of William Lloyd Garrison, the abolitionist. On the masthead of his antislavery newspaper, The Liberator, were the words, ?My country is the world. My countrymen are mankind.? Dennis Kucinich is the best progressive (The Black Commentator has said Dennis is ?the blackest? candidate), but Dennis probably cannot be nominated. Edwards may be stronger on domestic policy. Edwards is sharp but Obama is sharper. Some na?ve souls may think the white guy from North Carolina will do well Dixie like Carter and Bill Clinton. Carter and Clinton did what they did then. This is now. I agree 100% with Thomas Schaller who flatly says that it?s high time for Democrats to forget about the South because the Republican ?own? the South today. Finally, as I have already said publicly many times, Hillary Rodham Clinton, with her ethically-challenged Clintonesque wishy-washiness is a disaster. In conclusion, Barack Obama is a good guy. He may be the best and the brightest that the Democratic Party has to offer. I leave it to you to interpret my meaning. Alex Walker ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egroups at duendevision.com Sat Feb 10 14:43:07 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 14:43:07 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BARACK OBAMA In-Reply-To: <8C91B7715BB8E47-1E4C-8C32@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C91B7715BB8E47-1E4C-8C32@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1526A739-E3F9-4CF7-9412-462453BAAAD7@duendevision.com> Amen and Amen Alex. When I heard about Barack I wanted so hard to be a believer but those little nuances gave him away as a sentimental imperialist. At least he did admit that some of what the US has done isn't ALL good :-) Peace On Feb 10, 2007, at 2:08 PM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Green Friends, > > I watched Sen. Barack Obama on C-Span today. > > I haven't said too much about him. I am sort of in the "wait and > see" camp. Most of my wife's family still lives in Illinois and > so, I think the first time I ever heard about him was from my > brother-in-law, Martin Deppe, who told me about a bright young > state senator from Southside Chicago that was starting to make a > big splash. He gave a fiery anti-war speech at one of the first > big demonstrations in Chicago before the war back in 2002 and his > candidacy for the U.S. Senate in 2004 partly came out of that. > > Santa Claus brought me his book The Audacity of Hope over the > holidays. I've read most of it, but I haven't finished it, because > frankly, it's a campaign book full of "on-the-one-hand" and "on-the- > other-hand" stuff. > > I've seen a lot of politicians. Obama is good. Make no mistake. > He?s good. > > He's young. He's good-looking. He's sharp. He can rap. He WILL > inspire a new generation of activists. No doubt about it. There > was a time (when I was still young and naive), when I would have > signed up for this campaign right away. > > Let's just say he represents the best... of mainstream... > Democratic Party neoliberalism. Let me just say that with all the > good and bad that this implies. Right in the prologue to his book > -- page 10 -- he writes: > > > I am a Democrat, after all; my views on most topics correspond more > closely to the editorial pages of The New York Times than those of > The Wall Street Journal. I am angry about politics that > consistently favor the wealthy and powerful over average Americans, > and insist that government has an important role in opening up > opportunity for all? > > From there Barack goes into a little catechism of ?I Believe? > statements: > > I believe in evolution, scientific inquiry, and global warming; I > believe in free speech, whether politically correct or politically > incorrect, and I am suspicious of using government to impose > anybody?s religious beliefs ? including my own ? on nonbelievers. > Furthermore, I am a prisoner of my own biography; I can?t help but > view the American experience through the lens of a black man of > mixed heritage, forever mindful of how generations of people who > looked like me were subjugated and stigmatized, and the subtle and > not so subtle ways that race and class continue to shape our lives. > > But that is not all that I am ? > > > So far, so good. He?s a nice liberal. > > Now comes the other shoe: > > > But that is not all that I am. I also think my party can be smug, > detached, and dogmatic at times. I believe in the free market, > competition, and entrepreneurship, and think no small number of > government programs don?t work as advertised. I wish the country > had fewer lawyers and more engineers. I think America has more > often been a force for good than for ill in the world; I carry few > illusions about our enemies, and revere the courage and competence > of our military. I reject a politics that is based solely on > racial identify, gender identity, sexual orientation, or victimhood > generally. I think much of what ails the inner city involves a > breakdown in culture that will not be cured by money alone, and > that our values and spiritual life matter at least as much as our GDP. > > > People who know me well can guess which parts of this that Alex > Walker doesn?t like. > > ?I believe in free speech, whether politically correct or > politically incorrect?? > > What ?political correctness?? When are people going to drop this > silly clich? that was funny for about fifteen minutes back in 1991? > > ?I believe in the free market, competition, and entrepreneurship?? > > Why do ?good liberals? always have to genuflect to the hegemony of > corporate capitalism? When I read stuff like this (and I read it > everyday), I realize that, philosophically, I?m still socialist and > Green. > > ?I wish the country had fewer lawyers and more engineers?? > > Nice touch -- when both you and your wife are Harvard lawyers. > > ?I think much of what ails the inner city involves a breakdown in > culture? our values and spiritual life matter at least as much as > our GDP?? > > Blame the victim! Blame for the victim for her terrible ?Culture > of Poverty.? > > Remember, this section is about ways in which being a Democrat and > being Black is ?not all that I am.? In other words, this section > is implicitly about how he is not about Democrat ?liberal > permissiveness? and the ?black pathology? which "everybody" knows > is about all you need to know about "being Black? in America. > > He just said ?I believe in the free market? but here he says ?our > values and spiritual life matter at least as much as our GDP.? Let > him tell that to the boys at the Wall Street Journal and the New > York Times. This "breakdown" occurs all over the world wherever > the ?free market? religion takes hold. It is one of the central > contradictions of capitalism (but alas, the fact that I even use a > phrase like ?contradictions of capitalism? shows how ?smug, > detached, and dogmatic? I am). > > Last, but certainly not least, comes this: > > ?I think America has more often been a force for good than for ill > in the world? and revere the courage and competence of our military?? > > Ah! The age-old myth of ?American Exceptionalism.? When I was > still young and naive (that is, before I was forty), I used to > genuflect at this altar. As late as the 1991 Gulf War I was one of > those suckers who insisted on displaying an American flag at all > our antiwar events. When I ran for office, my original design for > a campaign flyer included a little American flag in the corner. > Thank goodness Carole Hanisch, my graphics expert, convinced me to > drop that bullshit. The end result was much more attractive and > effective. Today, I agree 100% with Howard Zinn, who recently > wrote a powerful essay on this matter. > > > The notion of American exceptionalism?that the United States alone > has the right, whether by divine sanction or moral obligation, to > bring civilization, or democracy, or liberty to the rest of the > world, by violence if necessary?is not new. It started as early as > 1630 in the Massachusetts Bay Colony when Governor John Winthrop > uttered the words that centuries later would be quoted by Ronald > Reagan. Winthrop called the Massachusetts Bay Colony a ?city upon a > hill.? Reagan embellished a little, calling it a ?shining city on a > hill.? > The idea of a city on a hill is heartwarming. It suggests what > George Bush has spoken of: that the United States is a beacon of > liberty and democracy. People can look to us and learn from and > emulate us. > In reality, we have never been just a city on a hill. A few years > after Governor Winthrop uttered his famous words, the people in the > city on a hill moved out to massacre the Pequot Indians. Here?s a > description by William Bradford, an early settler, of Captain John > Mason?s attack on a Pequot village. > . . . > Some liberals in this country, opposed to Bush, nevertheless are > closer to his principles on foreign affairs than they want to > acknowledge. > . . . > The major newspapers, television news shows, and radio talk shows > appear not to know history, or prefer to forget it. There was an > outpouring of praise for Bush?s second inaugural speech in the > press, including the so-called liberal press (The Washington Post, > The New York Times). The editorial writers eagerly embraced Bush?s > words about spreading liberty in the world, as if they were > ignorant of the history of such claims, as if the past two years? > worth of news from Iraq were meaningless. > Only a couple of days before Bush uttered those words about > spreading liberty in the world, The New York Times published a > photo of a crouching, bleeding Iraqi girl. She was screaming. Her > parents, taking her somewhere in their car, had just been shot to > death by nervous American soldiers. > . . . > The true heroes of our history are those Americans who refused to > accept that we have a special claim to morality and the right to > exert our force on the rest of the world. I think of William Lloyd > Garrison, the abolitionist. On the masthead of his antislavery > newspaper, The Liberator, were the words, ?My country is the world. > My countrymen are mankind.? > > > > Dennis Kucinich is the best progressive (The Black Commentator has > said Dennis is ?the blackest? candidate), but Dennis probably > cannot be nominated. > > Edwards may be stronger on domestic policy. Edwards is sharp but > Obama is sharper. Some na?ve souls may think the white guy from > North Carolina will do well Dixie like Carter and Bill Clinton. > Carter and Clinton did what they did then. This is now. I agree > 100% with Thomas Schaller who flatly says that it?s high time for > Democrats to forget about the South because the Republican ?own? > the South today. > > Finally, as I have already said publicly many times, Hillary Rodham > Clinton, with her ethically-challenged Clintonesque wishy-washiness > is a disaster. > > In conclusion, Barack Obama is a good guy. He may be the best and > the brightest that the Democratic Party has to offer. > > I leave it to you to interpret my meaning. > > > Alex Walker > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at ispwest.com Sat Feb 10 21:29:47 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:29:47 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BARACK OBAMA In-Reply-To: <8C91B7715BB8E47-1E4C-8C32@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> 1526A739-E3F9-4CF7-9412-462453BAAAD7@duendevision.com References: <8C91B7715BB8E47-1E4C-8C32@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> 1526A739-E3F9-4CF7-9412-462453BAAAD7@duendevision.com Message-ID: <45CEA9CB.8080206@ispwest.com> There seems to be some almost a rumor kind of vibe going around that Cynthia McKinney of Georgia is thinking about going after the Green Nomination for President. Would that make our Primary interesting to you? -- Tian At the peace march I went to a couple of weeks ago the most common speech problem was somebody saying "Vietnam" and then getting an "ooops" look on their face and quickly adding "I meant Iraq." I saw it over and over, on all kinds of people. http://tian.greens.org From baalavi at yahoo.com Sat Feb 10 19:00:48 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:00:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BARACK OBAMA In-Reply-To: <45CEA9CB.8080206@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <516996.31422.qm@web52115.mail.yahoo.com> Yes, and I have heard much good about her. As far as Barak Obama, I am interested in his War Votes. I will have to double check, but I am under the impression that he (+ all Dem. Candidates) have consistently voted for the war and respective funding. ba Tian Harter wrote: There seems to be some almost a rumor kind of vibe going around that Cynthia McKinney of Georgia is thinking about going after the Green Nomination for President. Would that make our Primary interesting to you? -- Tian At the peace march I went to a couple of weeks ago the most common speech problem was somebody saying "Vietnam" and then getting an "ooops" look on their face and quickly adding "I meant Iraq." I saw it over and over, on all kinds of people. http://tian.greens.org _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WB4D23 at aol.com Sat Feb 10 21:33:26 2007 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:33:26 EST Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Greening California Strategic Retreat, February 23-25, Sonom... Message-ID: In a message dated 2/10/07 11:55:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, mfeinstein at feinstein.org writes: Dear fellow Green Party of California member This is to announce registration for the Greening California Strategic Retreat, February 23-25 (Friday-Sunday) in Glen Ellen, Sonoma County: The retreat is open to all Green Party of California members, with a particular focus on - members of GPCA statewide Standing Committees and Working Groups and others active on the state level - members of GPCA County Councils and others active on the county level - former (and future) GPCA candidates, campaign managers and campaign workers - former and present Greens holding elected office Saturday's daytime focus will be on GPCA electoral strategy for 2007-2008. Our state party?s Campaigns & Candidates Working Group will be coordinating the sessions. Saturday evening will feature former Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, introduced by Aimee Allison, former Green candidate for Oakland City Council. Brent McMillan, Green Party of the United States Political Director, will precede them with an overview of Green Party national planning for 2008. On Sunday, the focus will be on various GPCA internal party issues that would benefit from free flowing discussions, before they are brought forward to decision-making at our state business meetings (General Assemblies.) These sessions will be coordinated by GPCA members involved with each issue at hand, with the overall day coordinated by our state party?s Strategy Committee. Saturday will also feature a gathering of Campus Greens from across California. Sunday will feature Green officeholders (present and past) establishing a California Green Officeholders Network. The location for the Strategic Retreat will be at Valley of the Moon Camp in Glen Ellen, Sonoma County http://www.uccr.org/vom.htm, with directions to the camp here http://www.uccr.org/driving_vom.htm The reason for choosing such a venue, is so that party members can benefit from the informal contact, networking and building opportunities that staying in the same place together can provide. In order to make this possible, inexpensive lodging on site ($18.50) will be available - and is encouraged - for both Friday and Saturday evenings. Space is limited to 90 people sleeping on site and 115 attending day-time sessions. Parking is limited, so car-pooling is strongly encouraged. All Retreat Attendees must register in advance and pay a day fee of $19/person/day for Saturday and Sunday. There will be no charge for Friday, day or night. The Saturday evening program is open only to attendees of the daytime program. Lodging is in dormitory style rooms of four to 16 people. 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URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Feb 12 00:25:27 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:25:27 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Deconstructing Nader" Message-ID: <45D02477.7060201@earthlink.net> For what it's worth, here is an article about Nader, in the Boston Globe, by Robert Kuttner (a liberal Democrat, I think), in response to the movie "An Unreasonable Man": http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0210-29.htm Gerry From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Mon Feb 12 15:23:54 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:23:54 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] medical scholarships in Cuba, Oakland event Mar 24 Message-ID: Subject: Forward of moderated message (too big, with the flyer attached) To: Green South Bay Discussion From: Andrea Dorey Subject: FREE MED SCHOOL??? Speaker here on March 23-24... Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:53:44 -0800 WE NEED TO FORWARD THIS TO OUR GREEN CONTACTS ON SJSU CAMPUS NOW!!! Here's a good look for the SJSU Premed students to see how a good =20 NONPROFIT medical care system works for the citizens of its country!! So well, in fact, that they can offer this opportunity for students =20 of other countries. Andrea > This is a notice to let you know that Lucius Walker will be in the Bay > Area on the 23rd and 24th of March to lead an informational conference > on the Latin American School of Medicine. The purpose of the =20 > conference > is to let prospective students and their parents know about the > wonderful opportunity to study medicine FREE OF CHARGE that Cuba =20 > offers > to young people in many countries, including those from the USA! The > conference will give details of the offer, answer any questions about > the program that people might have, and in general give an overview of > what to expect in Cuba to students considering a career in medicine. > > Please distribute the flyer in any way that you see fit. We > especially need to have it circulated on college and university > campuses and other places where prospective students might be found. > > Cuba's revolution was one of the most important events of the 20th > century. It has given a powerful signal around the world that > neo-conservativism and extreme economic liberalism can be rejected in > favor of investing in the needs of the population. > KEN LIVINGSTONE, MAYOR OF LONDON, February 3, 2007 Flyer is posted at http://gis.pair.com/Oakland_Med_Conf.pdf Cameron From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 18:27:33 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:27:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Emergency Summit to Impeach Bush, Feb. 17-18 in NYC Message-ID: <223916.53174.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> I have no love for the Revolutionary Communist Party's front organization 'The World Can't Wait', but I'll pass this along because of its relevance.... A Green pressing forward! Drew Emergency Summit to Impeach Bush, Feb. 17-18 in NYC Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:01:56 -0800 (PST) Emergency Summit to Impeach Bush for War Crimes The World Can't Wait http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3827&Itemid=223 Emergency Summit: Impeach Bush for War Crimes! Saturday & Sunday, February 17 & 18 New York City Saturday 9am-10pm; Sunday 10-6 (Exact Manhattan location will be announced shortly) REGISTER NOW http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3827&Itemid=223#register It is time for the people to put impeachment on the table! Iraq spins out of control. Bush escalates and threatens still wider war with Iran. The Bush program of torture and illegal detentions continues. These are war crimes and crimes against humanity. Bush's full program remains in effect. NSA Spying, the Patriot Act, the Military Commission Act: all continue. And all are illegal. The whole program of the Bush Administration must be thoroughly repudiated by removing him from office before his term expires; otherwise, the whole direction he has taken society will be condoned, legitimated, and made permanent. A movement to Impeach Bush for War Crimes can quickly advance the whole struggle; making ending the war and removing Bush a reality. As impeachment becomes imminent and his war options grow more limited; the more his war crimes are exposed, the greater the impetus for his removal and repudiation. Join activists, leaders, academics, and writers including Dennis Loo, Ted Glick, David Swanson, Bob Fertik, Daphne Wysham, Steve Cobble, Laura Flanders of Air America radio, and many more. Saturday plenary, workshops and evening program. Sunday plenary and strategy break-outs on how to advance the movement for impeachment this spring, including among youth and students, the religious community, and others. Stay for a special Sunday afternoon forum: After Bush, What? featuring presenters from differing political perspectives within this movement. Workshops include: Become an Expert in the Bush Regime's Crimes Banner Drops and other Creative Protest Strategies & Grounds for Impeachment Legal Action Against Bush and Cheney Make Hip-Hop, Not War Why the US has Iran in its sights: How do we Stop an Attack on Iran? Saturday 7pm Evening program: Impeach Bush for War Crimes with Cindy Sheehan, Ramsey Clark, Rev. Lennox Yearwood, Debra Sweet Everyone who sees the need and opportunity to remove George Bush and his regime from office for its crimes and repudiate his program needs to be at this conference to plan how to accomplish this in 2007. Suggested registration fee: $25-$50 per person; students/low income: $10-$20. Co-sponsors to date: AfterDowningStreet.org Brooklyn Greens Democrats.com Progressive Democrats of America Gold Star Families for Peace Grandmothers Against the War Granny Peace Brigade Green Party of the United States Hip Hop Caucus ImpeachBush.org ImpeachforPeace.org New York Greens Not In Our Name Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, NYC Chapter 9-11Truth.org Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Cynthia McKinney, Laura Flanders. Help make this happen. If you want to suggest or plan a workshop, contact summit at worldcantwait.org or 866 973 4463. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From jamboi at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 18:33:04 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:33:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BARACK OBAMA In-Reply-To: <1526A739-E3F9-4CF7-9412-462453BAAAD7@duendevision.com> Message-ID: <303004.95262.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> My attitude: He hasn't done a damn thing in the Senate (neither has Sen. Clinton), so that is a big blank for me. I will say that I think it is a positive thing that he brought up some fairly Green points of view in his announcement. Just gettin the idea out there that we need to withdraw from our invasion/occupation of Iraq and that we need to break our oil addiction is a positive. The more people talk about it the more they'll recognize when they here us that we've been the ones talking common sense all along. :-) Green solidarity! Drew --- Duende wrote: > Amen and Amen Alex. When I heard about Barack I wanted so hard to be > > a believer but those little nuances gave him away as a sentimental > imperialist. At least he did admit that some of what the US has done > > isn't ALL good :-) > > > Peace > > > > On Feb 10, 2007, at 2:08 PM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Green Friends, > > > > I watched Sen. Barack Obama on C-Span today. > > > > I haven't said too much about him. I am sort of in the "wait and > > see" camp. Most of my wife's family still lives in Illinois and > > so, I think the first time I ever heard about him was from my > > brother-in-law, Martin Deppe, who told me about a bright young > > state senator from Southside Chicago that was starting to make a > > big splash. He gave a fiery anti-war speech at one of the first > > big demonstrations in Chicago before the war back in 2002 and his > > candidacy for the U.S. Senate in 2004 partly came out of that. > > > > Santa Claus brought me his book The Audacity of Hope over the > > holidays. I've read most of it, but I haven't finished it, because > > > frankly, it's a campaign book full of "on-the-one-hand" and > "on-the- > > other-hand" stuff. > > > > I've seen a lot of politicians. Obama is good. Make no mistake. > > > He?s good. > > > > He's young. He's good-looking. He's sharp. He can rap. He WILL > > > inspire a new generation of activists. No doubt about it. There > > was a time (when I was still young and naive), when I would have > > signed up for this campaign right away. > > > > Let's just say he represents the best... of mainstream... > > Democratic Party neoliberalism. Let me just say that with all the > > > good and bad that this implies. Right in the prologue to his book > > > -- page 10 -- he writes: > > > > > > I am a Democrat, after all; my views on most topics correspond more > > > closely to the editorial pages of The New York Times than those of > > > The Wall Street Journal. I am angry about politics that > > consistently favor the wealthy and powerful over average Americans, > > > and insist that government has an important role in opening up > > opportunity for all > > > > From there Barack goes into a little catechism of ?I Believe? > > statements: > > > > I believe in evolution, scientific inquiry, and global warming; I > > believe in free speech, whether politically correct or politically > > > incorrect, and I am suspicious of using government to impose > > anybody?s religious beliefs ? including my own ? on nonbelievers. > > > Furthermore, I am a prisoner of my own biography; I can?t help but > > > view the American experience through the lens of a black man of > > mixed heritage, forever mindful of how generations of people who > > looked like me were subjugated and stigmatized, and the subtle and > > > not so subtle ways that race and class continue to shape our lives. > > > > But that is not all that I am > > > > > > So far, so good. He?s a nice liberal. > > > > Now comes the other shoe: > > > > > > But that is not all that I am. I also think my party can be smug, > > > detached, and dogmatic at times. I believe in the free market, > > competition, and entrepreneurship, and think no small number of > > government programs don?t work as advertised. I wish the country > > had fewer lawyers and more engineers. I think America has more > > often been a force for good than for ill in the world; I carry few > > > illusions about our enemies, and revere the courage and competence > > > of our military. I reject a politics that is based solely on > > racial identify, gender identity, sexual orientation, or victimhood > > > generally. I think much of what ails the inner city involves a > > breakdown in culture that will not be cured by money alone, and > > that our values and spiritual life matter at least as much as our > GDP. > > > > > > People who know me well can guess which parts of this that Alex > > Walker doesn?t like. > > > > ?I believe in free speech, whether politically correct or > > politically incorrect ? > > > > What ?political correctness?? When are people going to drop this > > silly clich? that was funny for about fifteen minutes back in 1991? > > > > ?I believe in the free market, competition, and entrepreneurship ? > > > > Why do ?good liberals? always have to genuflect to the hegemony of > > > corporate capitalism? When I read stuff like this (and I read it > > everyday), I realize that, philosophically, I?m still socialist and > > > Green. > > > > ?I wish the country had fewer lawyers and more engineers ? > > > > Nice touch -- when both you and your wife are Harvard lawyers. > > > > ?I think much of what ails the inner city involves a breakdown in > > culture our values and spiritual life matter at least as much as > > our GDP ? > > > > Blame the victim! Blame for the victim for her terrible ?Culture > > > of Poverty.? > > > > Remember, this section is about ways in which being a Democrat and > > > being Black is ?not all that I am.? In other words, this section > > is implicitly about how he is not about Democrat ?liberal > > permissiveness? and the ?black pathology? which "everybody" knows > > is about all you need to know about "being Black? in America. > > > > He just said ?I believe in the free market? but here he says ?our > > values and spiritual life matter at least as much as our GDP.? Let > > > him tell that to the boys at the Wall Street Journal and the New > > York Times. This "breakdown" occurs all over the world wherever > > the ?free market? religion takes hold. It is one of the central > > contradictions of capitalism (but alas, the fact that I even use a > > > phrase like ?contradictions of capitalism? shows how ?smug, > > detached, and dogmatic? I am). > > > > Last, but certainly not least, comes this: > > > > ?I think America has more often been a force for good than for ill > > > in the world and revere the courage and competence of our > military ? > > > > Ah! The age-old myth of ?American Exceptionalism.? When I was > > still young and naive (that is, before I was forty), I used to > > genuflect at this altar. As late as the 1991 Gulf War I was one of > > > those suckers who insisted on displaying an American flag at all > > our antiwar events. When I ran for office, my original design for > > > a campaign flyer included a little American flag in the corner. > > Thank goodness Carole Hanisch, my graphics expert, convinced me to > > > drop that bullshit. The end result was much more attractive and > > effective. Today, I agree 100% with Howard Zinn, who recently > > wrote a powerful essay on this matter. > > > > > > The notion of American exceptionalism?that the United States alone > > > has the right, whether by divine sanction or moral obligation, to > > bring civilization, or democracy, or liberty to the rest of the > > world, by violence if necessary?is not new. It started as early as > > > 1630 in the Massachusetts Bay Colony when Governor John Winthrop > > uttered the words that centuries later would be quoted by Ronald > > Reagan. Winthrop called the Massachusetts Bay Colony a ?city upon a > > > hill.? Reagan embellished a little, calling it a ?shining city on a > > > hill.? > > The idea of a city on a hill is heartwarming. It suggests what > > George Bush has spoken of: that the United States is a beacon of > > liberty and democracy. People can look to us and learn from and > > emulate us. > > In reality, we have never been just a city on a hill. A few years > > after Governor Winthrop uttered his famous words, the people in the > > > city on a hill moved out to massacre the Pequot Indians. Here?s a > > description by William Bradford, an early settler, of Captain John > > > Mason?s attack on a Pequot village. > > . . . > > Some liberals in this country, opposed to Bush, nevertheless are > > closer to his principles on foreign affairs than they want to > > acknowledge. > > . . . > > The major newspapers, television news shows, and radio talk shows > > appear not to know history, or prefer to forget it. There was an > > outpouring of praise for Bush?s second inaugural speech in the > > press, including the so-called liberal press (The Washington Post, > > > The New York Times). The editorial writers eagerly embraced Bush?s > > > words about spreading liberty in the world, as if they were > > ignorant of the history of such claims, as if the past two years? > > worth of news from Iraq were meaningless. > > Only a couple of days before Bush uttered those words about > > spreading liberty in the world, The New York Times published a > > photo of a crouching, bleeding Iraqi girl. She was screaming. Her > > parents, taking her somewhere in their car, had just been shot to > > death by nervous American soldiers. > > . . . > > The true heroes of our history are those Americans who refused to > > accept that we have a special claim to morality and the right to > > exert our force on the rest of the world. I think of William Lloyd > > > Garrison, the abolitionist. On the masthead of his antislavery > > newspaper, The Liberator, were the words, ?My country is the world. > > > My countrymen are mankind.? > > > > > > > > Dennis Kucinich is the best progressive (The Black Commentator has > > > said Dennis is ?the blackest? candidate), but Dennis probably > > cannot be nominated. > > > > Edwards may be stronger on domestic policy. Edwards is sharp but > > Obama is sharper. Some na?ve souls may think the white guy from > > North Carolina will do well Dixie like Carter and Bill Clinton. > > Carter and Clinton did what they did then. This is now. I agree > > 100% with Thomas Schaller who flatly says that it?s high time for > > Democrats to forget about the South because the Republican ?own? > > the South today. > > > > Finally, as I have already said publicly many times, Hillary Rodham > > > Clinton, with her ethically-challenged Clintonesque wishy-washiness > > > is a disaster. > > > > In conclusion, Barack Obama is a good guy. He may be the best and > > > the brightest that the Democratic Party has to offer. > > > > I leave it to you to interpret my meaning. > > > > > > Alex Walker > > > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > > > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Feb 13 00:00:52 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:00:52 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BARACK OBAMA References: 303004.95262.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com Message-ID: <45D17034.8090203@ispwest.com> JamBoi wrote: >My attitude: He hasn't done a damn thing in the Senate (neither has >Sen. Clinton), so that is a big blank for me. I will say that I think >it is a positive thing that he brought up some fairly Green points of >view in his announcement. Just gettin the idea out there that we need >to withdraw from our invasion/occupation of Iraq and that we need to >break our oil addiction is a positive. The more people talk about it >the more they'll recognize when they here us that we've been the ones >talking common sense all along. :-) > >Green solidarity! > >Drew > > > In the 60 Minutes piece about Obama they said he was "green", and then explained what that meant by saying "he had only been in Washington for a short period." I like his line "I"ve been in Washington long enough to know it needs to change." -- Tian As I type this, we are in the 43rd day of 2007. http://tian.greens.org From baalavi at yahoo.com Mon Feb 12 21:15:03 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:15:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BARACK OBAMA In-Reply-To: <303004.95262.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <469511.38741.qm@web52112.mail.yahoo.com> Apparently he proudly jumped on the frenzied bandwagon to "have done something": http://usliberals.about.com/od/liberalleadership/a/IraqNayVote.htm Since way back in 2002, when all opportunists recognized their duty and their place, so did Barak Obama (whom the Australian Prez, just over the weekend, alluded as a partner with Osama, and missed the link with [Ehud] Barak!! :). Obama, when it mattered did the damndest thing by partnering in a neocon war to out-terrorized all terrorists ... You don't believe me, just jot down the casualty figures, then divide it by the number of "YES" votes, including Obama's. One may get the sense of "what a damned thing powers that be may have done". (When you have your number, compare it with "148" -- yes, that's correct: 148 -- the number for which Saddam was hung) ba JamBoi wrote: My attitude: He hasn't done a damn thing in the Senate (neither has Sen. Clinton), so that is a big blank for me. I will say that I think it is a positive thing that he brought up some fairly Green points of view in his announcement. Just gettin the idea out there that we need to withdraw from our invasion/occupation of Iraq and that we need to break our oil addiction is a positive. The more people talk about it the more they'll recognize when they here us that we've been the ones talking common sense all along. :-) Green solidarity! Drew --- Duende wrote: > Amen and Amen Alex. When I heard about Barack I wanted so hard to be > > a believer but those little nuances gave him away as a sentimental > imperialist. At least he did admit that some of what the US has done > > isn't ALL good :-) > > > Peace > > > > On Feb 10, 2007, at 2:08 PM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Green Friends, > > > > I watched Sen. Barack Obama on C-Span today. > > > > I haven't said too much about him. I am sort of in the "wait and > > see" camp. Most of my wife's family still lives in Illinois and > > so, I think the first time I ever heard about him was from my > > brother-in-law, Martin Deppe, who told me about a bright young > > state senator from Southside Chicago that was starting to make a > > big splash. He gave a fiery anti-war speech at one of the first > > big demonstrations in Chicago before the war back in 2002 and his > > candidacy for the U.S. Senate in 2004 partly came out of that. > > > > Santa Claus brought me his book The Audacity of Hope over the > > holidays. I've read most of it, but I haven't finished it, because > > > frankly, it's a campaign book full of "on-the-one-hand" and > "on-the- > > other-hand" stuff. > > > > I've seen a lot of politicians. Obama is good. Make no mistake. > > > He?s good. > > > > He's young. He's good-looking. He's sharp. He can rap. He WILL > > > inspire a new generation of activists. No doubt about it. There > > was a time (when I was still young and naive), when I would have > > signed up for this campaign right away. > > > > Let's just say he represents the best... of mainstream... > > Democratic Party neoliberalism. Let me just say that with all the > > > good and bad that this implies. Right in the prologue to his book > > > -- page 10 -- he writes: > > > > > > I am a Democrat, after all; my views on most topics correspond more > > > closely to the editorial pages of The New York Times than those of > > > The Wall Street Journal. I am angry about politics that > > consistently favor the wealthy and powerful over average Americans, > > > and insist that government has an important role in opening up > > opportunity for all > > > > From there Barack goes into a little catechism of ?I Believe? > > statements: > > > > I believe in evolution, scientific inquiry, and global warming; I > > believe in free speech, whether politically correct or politically > > > incorrect, and I am suspicious of using government to impose > > anybody?s religious beliefs ? including my own ? on nonbelievers. > > > Furthermore, I am a prisoner of my own biography; I can?t help but > > > view the American experience through the lens of a black man of > > mixed heritage, forever mindful of how generations of people who > > looked like me were subjugated and stigmatized, and the subtle and > > > not so subtle ways that race and class continue to shape our lives. > > > > But that is not all that I am > > > > > > So far, so good. He?s a nice liberal. > > > > Now comes the other shoe: > > > > > > But that is not all that I am. I also think my party can be smug, > > > detached, and dogmatic at times. I believe in the free market, > > competition, and entrepreneurship, and think no small number of > > government programs don?t work as advertised. I wish the country > > had fewer lawyers and more engineers. I think America has more > > often been a force for good than for ill in the world; I carry few > > > illusions about our enemies, and revere the courage and competence > > > of our military. I reject a politics that is based solely on > > racial identify, gender identity, sexual orientation, or victimhood > > > generally. I think much of what ails the inner city involves a > > breakdown in culture that will not be cured by money alone, and > > that our values and spiritual life matter at least as much as our > GDP. > > > > > > People who know me well can guess which parts of this that Alex > > Walker doesn?t like. > > > > ?I believe in free speech, whether politically correct or > > politically incorrect ? > > > > What ?political correctness?? When are people going to drop this > > silly clich? that was funny for about fifteen minutes back in 1991? > > > > ?I believe in the free market, competition, and entrepreneurship ? > > > > Why do ?good liberals? always have to genuflect to the hegemony of > > > corporate capitalism? When I read stuff like this (and I read it > > everyday), I realize that, philosophically, I?m still socialist and > > > Green. > > > > ?I wish the country had fewer lawyers and more engineers ? > > > > Nice touch -- when both you and your wife are Harvard lawyers. > > > > ?I think much of what ails the inner city involves a breakdown in > > culture our values and spiritual life matter at least as much as > > our GDP ? > > > > Blame the victim! Blame for the victim for her terrible ?Culture > > > of Poverty.? > > > > Remember, this section is about ways in which being a Democrat and > > > being Black is ?not all that I am.? In other words, this section > > is implicitly about how he is not about Democrat ?liberal > > permissiveness? and the ?black pathology? which "everybody" knows > > is about all you need to know about "being Black? in America. > > > > He just said ?I believe in the free market? but here he says ?our > > values and spiritual life matter at least as much as our GDP.? Let > > > him tell that to the boys at the Wall Street Journal and the New > > York Times. This "breakdown" occurs all over the world wherever > > the ?free market? religion takes hold. It is one of the central > > contradictions of capitalism (but alas, the fact that I even use a > > > phrase like ?contradictions of capitalism? shows how ?smug, > > detached, and dogmatic? I am). > > > > Last, but certainly not least, comes this: > > > > ?I think America has more often been a force for good than for ill > > > in the world and revere the courage and competence of our > military ? > > > > Ah! The age-old myth of ?American Exceptionalism.? When I was > > still young and naive (that is, before I was forty), I used to > > genuflect at this altar. As late as the 1991 Gulf War I was one of > > > those suckers who insisted on displaying an American flag at all > > our antiwar events. When I ran for office, my original design for > > > a campaign flyer included a little American flag in the corner. > > Thank goodness Carole Hanisch, my graphics expert, convinced me to > > > drop that bullshit. The end result was much more attractive and > > effective. Today, I agree 100% with Howard Zinn, who recently > > wrote a powerful essay on this matter. > > > > > > The notion of American exceptionalism?that the United States alone > > > has the right, whether by divine sanction or moral obligation, to > > bring civilization, or democracy, or liberty to the rest of the > > world, by violence if necessary?is not new. It started as early as > > > 1630 in the Massachusetts Bay Colony when Governor John Winthrop > > uttered the words that centuries later would be quoted by Ronald > > Reagan. Winthrop called the Massachusetts Bay Colony a ?city upon a > > > hill.? Reagan embellished a little, calling it a ?shining city on a > > > hill.? > > The idea of a city on a hill is heartwarming. It suggests what > > George Bush has spoken of: that the United States is a beacon of > > liberty and democracy. People can look to us and learn from and > > emulate us. > > In reality, we have never been just a city on a hill. A few years > > after Governor Winthrop uttered his famous words, the people in the > > > city on a hill moved out to massacre the Pequot Indians. Here?s a > > description by William Bradford, an early settler, of Captain John > > > Mason?s attack on a Pequot village. > > . . . > > Some liberals in this country, opposed to Bush, nevertheless are > > closer to his principles on foreign affairs than they want to > > acknowledge. > > . . . > > The major newspapers, television news shows, and radio talk shows > > appear not to know history, or prefer to forget it. There was an > > outpouring of praise for Bush?s second inaugural speech in the > > press, including the so-called liberal press (The Washington Post, > > > The New York Times). The editorial writers eagerly embraced Bush?s > > > words about spreading liberty in the world, as if they were > > ignorant of the history of such claims, as if the past two years? > > worth of news from Iraq were meaningless. > > Only a couple of days before Bush uttered those words about > > spreading liberty in the world, The New York Times published a > > photo of a crouching, bleeding Iraqi girl. She was screaming. Her > > parents, taking her somewhere in their car, had just been shot to > > death by nervous American soldiers. > > . . . > > The true heroes of our history are those Americans who refused to > > accept that we have a special claim to morality and the right to > > exert our force on the rest of the world. I think of William Lloyd > > > Garrison, the abolitionist. On the masthead of his antislavery > > newspaper, The Liberator, were the words, ?My country is the world. > > > My countrymen are mankind.? > > > > > > > > Dennis Kucinich is the best progressive (The Black Commentator has > > > said Dennis is ?the blackest? candidate), but Dennis probably > > cannot be nominated. > > > > Edwards may be stronger on domestic policy. Edwards is sharp but > > Obama is sharper. Some na?ve souls may think the white guy from > > North Carolina will do well Dixie like Carter and Bill Clinton. > > Carter and Clinton did what they did then. This is now. I agree > > 100% with Thomas Schaller who flatly says that it?s high time for > > Democrats to forget about the South because the Republican ?own? > > the South today. > > > > Finally, as I have already said publicly many times, Hillary Rodham > > > Clinton, with her ethically-challenged Clintonesque wishy-washiness > > > is a disaster. > > > > In conclusion, Barack Obama is a good guy. 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Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredd at freeshell.org Mon Feb 12 22:37:56 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:37:56 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Emergency Summit to Impeach Bush, Feb. 17-18 in NYC Message-ID: <45D15CC4.5060809@freeshell.org> Drew, what do you have to verify your implication that 'The World Can't Wait' is the "Revolutionary Communist Party's front?" Fred D. Th I have no love for the Revolutionary Communist Party's front organization 'The World Can't Wait', but I'll pass this along because of its relevance.... A Green pressing forward! Drew Emergency Summit to Impeach Bush, Feb. 17-18 in NYC Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:01:56 -0800 (PST) Emergency Summit to Impeach Bush for War Crimes The World Can't Wait http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3827&Itemid=223 Emergency Summit: Impeach Bush for War Crimes! Saturday & Sunday, February 17 & 18 New York City Saturday 9am-10pm; Sunday 10-6 (Exact Manhattan location will be announced shortly) REGISTER NOW http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3827&Itemid=223#register It is time for the people to put impeachment on the table! Iraq spins out of control. Bush escalates and threatens still wider war with Iran. The Bush program of torture and illegal detentions continues. These are war crimes and crimes against humanity. Bush's full program remains in effect. NSA Spying, the Patriot Act, the Military Commission Act: all continue. And all are illegal. The whole program of the Bush Administration must be thoroughly repudiated by removing him from office before his term expires; otherwise, the whole direction he has taken society will be condoned, legitimated, and made permanent. A movement to Impeach Bush for War Crimes can quickly advance the whole struggle; making ending the war and removing Bush a reality. As impeachment becomes imminent and his war options grow more limited; the more his war crimes are exposed, the greater the impetus for his removal and repudiation. Join activists, leaders, academics, and writers including Dennis Loo, Ted Glick, David Swanson, Bob Fertik, Daphne Wysham, Steve Cobble, Laura Flanders of Air America radio, and many more. Saturday plenary, workshops and evening program. Sunday plenary and strategy break-outs on how to advance the movement for impeachment this spring, including among youth and students, the religious community, and others. Stay for a special Sunday afternoon forum: After Bush, What? featuring presenters from differing political perspectives within this movement. Workshops include: Become an Expert in the Bush Regime's Crimes Banner Drops and other Creative Protest Strategies & Grounds for Impeachment Legal Action Against Bush and Cheney Make Hip-Hop, Not War Why the US has Iran in its sights: How do we Stop an Attack on Iran? Saturday 7pm Evening program: Impeach Bush for War Crimes with Cindy Sheehan, Ramsey Clark, Rev. Lennox Yearwood, Debra Sweet Everyone who sees the need and opportunity to remove George Bush and his regime from office for its crimes and repudiate his program needs to be at this conference to plan how to accomplish this in 2007. Suggested registration fee: $25-$50 per person; students/low income: $10-$20. Co-sponsors to date: AfterDowningStreet.org Brooklyn Greens Democrats.com Progressive Democrats of America Gold Star Families for Peace Grandmothers Against the War Granny Peace Brigade Green Party of the United States Hip Hop Caucus ImpeachBush.org ImpeachforPeace.org New York Greens Not In Our Name Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, NYC Chapter 9-11Truth.org Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Cynthia McKinney, Laura Flanders. Help make this happen. If you want to suggest or plan a workshop, contact summit at worldcantwait.org or 866 973 4463. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From MKmusic03 at aol.com Tue Feb 13 02:26:32 2007 From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 05:26:32 EST Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Delivering Green Party Impeachment Resolution Wed. Feb.14 Message-ID: Wednesday, February 14 Celebrate a Green Valentines Day of Impeachment Demonstrations ? Campbell, San Jos? and Palo Alto (we will travel by the Light Rail - our Impeachment Train) The day of Impeachment demonstrations begins in Campbell at congressmember Mike Honda's office 9 a.m. Meet in front of Mike Honda's office, 1999 South Bascom Ave., Suite 815 Join the Green Party of Santa Clara County in showing love for our country and our Constitution.?The Green Party has passed a resolution requesting impeachment proceedings against George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Alberto Gonzales.?Green Party representatives and the South Bay Impeachment Committee will deliver the resolution to our congressional representatives. Come with us as we deliver our resolution to Mike Honda, Zoe Lofgren, Anna Eschoo and Jerry McNerney. We are going to travel on our own Impeachment Train and we invite you to join us for a day of standing up for the Constitution.?We will begin our day at Mike Honda's office, travel by the Light Rail to Zoe Lofgren's office and to Anna Eshoo?s office.?We will have our signs demanding impeachment and in support of the Green?s resolution.?We will have a day of friendship, solidarity and enjoyment.?We also will be delivering impeachment valentines.?Plan to be a part of this history we are creating, this valentine of impeachment. To RSVP and to get full details CONTACT:? Merriam Kathaleen 408-482-6032 mkmusic03 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Its founders and steering comittee represent a broad array of political affiliations and its call for Bush's removal has attracted a diverse range of endorsers which include members of the Green and Democratic party and even some Republicans, along with socialists, pro-choice activists, Catholic sisters, academics, union representatives, and many artists and actors. Prominent figures who have publicly supported the World Can't Wait include Cynthia McKinney , Major Owens and Rev. Al Sharpton , to Ralph Nader , Michael Lerner , former CIA analyst Ray McGovern , and Sean Penn . ^[/citations needed/ ] Some of the founders of World Can't Wait are public supporters of the Revolutionary Communist Party including Sunsara Taylor, a writer for Revolution Newspaper . -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From wrolley at charter.net Tue Feb 13 07:32:49 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:32:49 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Message-ID: <45D1DA21.60308@charter.net> I was talking with my wife about impeachment last night. She is Japanese. Like myself she was born just before the entry of America into WW II and lived through its aftermath. If, at the end of WW II, the figures who were responsible for starting that war, e.g. Gen Tojo, were executed for what they did, why should the same not be the fate of Bush / Cheney. Impeachment, trial, sentencing and reaping the reward for starting a war of choice. I guess you have to win a war to be able to make that decisions and to write the history. Maybe we need a UN resolution that the punishment of the leaders of any country who starts a war will be permanent. -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Tue Feb 13 09:25:00 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:25:00 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Message-ID: Wes wrote (in UTF-8): >If, at the end of WW II, the figures who were responsible for starting >that war, e.g. Gen Tojo, were executed for what they did, why should the >same not be the fate of Bush / Cheney. Impeachment, trial, sentencing >and reaping the reward for starting a war of choice. Impeachment and a truly fair trial should be routine. Execution is an act of revenge. Not deterrence, nor correction nor justice. It presumes power and authority no government should have. It normalizes murder. It undermines legitimate government authority and terrorizes oppressed populations. It's incompatible with broad and consistent recognition of the fundamental human rights. Governments that do it attract lawless tyrants into their leadership, and they bring all kinds of corruption with them. No executions. If our platform doesn't already say that, it should. It's not even a radical position; it's where a lot of the nations we consider "developed" or "civilized" have been for decades. It seems to me that GWB, Cheney, and the rest exhibit various disorders that psychiatry can diagnose and has management protocols for. A society with a functional justice and health care systems would isolate them for everyone's safety, and deliver appropriate care. They belong in the loony bin, not the death chamber or a warehouse. We should be able to treat even dangerously insane people with compassion. Cameron From egroups at duendevision.com Tue Feb 13 10:26:42 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:26:42 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0673A43E-1340-437F-B0FA-CB36EED451BC@duendevision.com> Thanks Much Cameron I'm absolutely opposed to the death penalty but there's times I forget it when it comes to the high crimes of our leaders. As far as Genral Tojo is concerned, I was under the belief that the US had basically antagonized Japan into a war starting with bringing US battle ships into Japanese harbors. Peace Duende On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > Wes wrote (in UTF-8): > >> If, at the end of WW II, the figures who were responsible for >> starting >> that war, e.g. Gen Tojo, were executed for what they did, why >> should the >> same not be the fate of Bush / Cheney. Impeachment, trial, >> sentencing >> and reaping the reward for starting a war of choice. > > Impeachment and a truly fair trial should be routine. > > Execution is an act of revenge. Not deterrence, nor correction > nor justice. It presumes power and authority no government > should have. It normalizes murder. It undermines legitimate > government authority and terrorizes oppressed populations. > It's incompatible with broad and consistent recognition of > the fundamental human rights. > Governments that do it attract lawless tyrants into their > leadership, and they bring all kinds of corruption with them. > > No executions. If our platform doesn't already say that, it should. > It's not even a radical position; it's where a lot of the nations > we consider "developed" or "civilized" have been for decades. > > It seems to me that GWB, Cheney, and the rest exhibit various > disorders that psychiatry can diagnose and has management > protocols for. A society with a functional justice and health > care systems would isolate them for everyone's safety, and deliver > appropriate care. They belong in the loony bin, not the death > chamber or a warehouse. We should be able to treat > even dangerously insane people with compassion. > > > Cameron > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Feb 13 14:46:27 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:46:27 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: 0673A43E-1340-437F-B0FA-CB36EED451BC@duendevision.com References: 0673A43E-1340-437F-B0FA-CB36EED451BC@duendevision.com Message-ID: <45D23FC3.9000202@ispwest.com> Duende wrote: >Thanks Much Cameron > >I'm absolutely opposed to the death penalty but there's times I >forget it when it comes to the high crimes of our leaders. > >As far as Genral Tojo is concerned, I was under the belief that the >US had basically antagonized Japan into a war starting with bringing >US battle ships into Japanese harbors. > > Don't forget we also choked off a lot of Japan's access to raw materials like oil and metal ores. I've been in St. Elizabeths (DC's mental hospital) and I can assure you that life imprisonment there would have lots of deterant impact on everybody that knows about it. BTW: The criteria for being locked up in a mental hospital involuntarily is "being a threat to yourself or other people." Looking at the situations in Iraq and New Orleans, Bush is DEFINATELY a threat to the health of plenty of people. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Does knowing they sell Terror Free Oil in Omaha, Nebraska make you want to move there? http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/ From cbrouillet at igc.org Tue Feb 13 10:59:03 2007 From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:59:03 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Love America, Impeach Bush/Cheney, Valentine Action Message-ID: Love America- Impeach Bush/Cheney- Valentine Action Time for Impeachment! With Love for our Country and the World- what better Valentine could there be? The Silicon Valley Impeachment Group is delivering Impeachment messages to Congressional offices in Santa Clara County. In Palo Alto, the weekly Wednesday Listening Project at Lytton Plaza (University/Emerson ) which normally lasts from 11 am to 1 pm will conclude with an Impeachment Rally from 1 to 1:30 pm, and at 1:30 pm we will march to Congresswoman Anna Eshoo's Office (a short 5 minute walk- Eshoo's office is at 698 Emerson Street) with our Valentine's Day message. Please join us!!!!! Carol Brouillet 650-857-0927, cbrouillet at igc.org, http://www.communitycurrency.org >Wednesday, February 14 > >Celebrate a Green Valentines Day of Impeachment >Demonstrations ? Campbell, San Jos?? and Palo >Alto (we will travel by the Light Rail - our Impeachment Train) > >The day of Impeachment demonstrations begins in >Campbell at congressmember Mike Honda's office > >9 a.m. Meet in front of Mike Honda's office, 1999 South Bascom Ave., Suite 815 > >Join the Green Party of Santa Clara County in >showing love for our country and our >Constitution.? The Green Party has passed a >resolution requesting impeachment proceedings >against George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and >Alberto Gonzales.? Green Party representatives >and the South Bay Impeachment Committee will >deliver the resolution to our congressional representatives. > >Come with us as we deliver our resolution to >Mike Honda, Zoe Lofgren, Anna Eschoo and Jerry >McNerney. We are going to travel on our own >Impeachment Train and we invite you to join us >for a day of standing up for the Constitution.? >We will begin our day at Mike Honda's office, >travel by the Light Rail to Zoe Lofgren's office >and to Anna Eshoo???s office.? We will have our >signs demanding impeachment and in support of >the Green???s resolution.? We will have a day of >friendship, solidarity and enjoyment.? We also >will be delivering impeachment valentines.? Plan >to be a part of this history we are creating, this valentine of impeachment. > >To RSVP and to get full details >CONTACT:? Merriam Kathaleen 408-482-6032 >mkmusic03 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 13:49:28 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:49:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: <45D23FC3.9000202@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <20070213214928.78026.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> So we should arrest Cheney/Bush on a "5150" : endangerment to self or others and lock them away in either Walter Reed or St. Elizabeth's for a good long time. :-) Hell, if we get them on mental/emotional incompetence (ie. Durbin called Cheney 'delusional') we don't even need to go through impeachment! Impeach early and often! Drew --- Tian Harter wrote: > Duende wrote: > > >Thanks Much Cameron > > > >I'm absolutely opposed to the death penalty but there's times I > >forget it when it comes to the high crimes of our leaders. > > > >As far as Genral Tojo is concerned, I was under the belief that the > > >US had basically antagonized Japan into a war starting with bringing > > >US battle ships into Japanese harbors. > > > > > Don't forget we also choked off a lot of Japan's access to > raw materials like oil and metal ores. > > I've been in St. Elizabeths (DC's mental hospital) and I > can assure you that life imprisonment there would have > lots of deterant impact on everybody that knows about it. > > BTW: The criteria for being locked up in a mental hospital > involuntarily is "being a threat to yourself or other people." > Looking at the situations in Iraq and New Orleans, Bush > is DEFINATELY a threat to the health of plenty of people. > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > Does knowing they sell Terror Free Oil in > Omaha, Nebraska make you want to move there? > http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 14:12:44 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:12:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tomorrow, Wed. 14th Valentines Day - Impeachment Train (AKA Love America, Impeach Bush/Cheney, Valentine Action) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <321697.57595.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Love America! Impeach Cheney/Bush, an action of the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. The Coalition includes the Green Party of Santa Clara County, SBM's Impeachment Group, NorCal 9/11 Truth Alliance, Occupation Project, some members of MV Voice for Peace, some members of Raging Doves, etc. To restate in different words here's the schedule: We'll meet 9A at Congressperson Mike Honda's office which at back Pruneyard in Campbell. *If you're taking Light Rail the office is just a few blocks south from the Bascom Light Rail station - which itself at the corner of Hamilton and 17/880 and a couple of blocks from its namesake, Bascom Ave at Hamilton). * If you have to drive, please park in The Pruneyard's parking structure in the rear, north corner of The Pruneyard. We start at Honda's at 9A. We'll give Honda's staff our Green Party Impeachment Resolution and McKinney's previously introduced articles of impeachment. Then we'll proceed to Lofgren's on the Light rail (for those that want to go straight there and meet us we'll probably be there at about 11:00ish). We'll again give Lofgren's staff our citizen's directive for them to do the job we hired them to do - impeach BushCo (and get us out of Iraq!) Then we'll take a combo of Light Rail and Caltrain to the Palo Alto station where we'll arrive around 1P-ish and will hook up with Carol's contingent at Lytton Plaza, rally and do a little march over to Eshoo's office where we'll do with Eshoo's staff as we did with Honda's and Lofgren's. After we're done those of us who left vehicles at Honda's will return via Caltrain and Light Rail to near Honda's office. That's our impeachment train sequence for Love America - Impeach Bush! Impeachment Train action tomorrow, Fe 14th 2007, Valentines Day. We'll need to follow up with visits to McNerney, Boxer and Feinstein, additional letters sent out to Conyers, etc. Hell we could send some to Cheney/Bush to direct them to resign now first rather than subjecting the nation further besmirchment for their ego gratification! Great idea. ;-) Impeach early and often! Drew --- Carol Brouillet wrote: > Love America- Impeach Bush/Cheney- Valentine Action > > Time for Impeachment! With Love for our Country > and the World- what better Valentine could there be? > > The Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition is > delivering Impeachment messages to Congressional > offices in Santa Clara County. In Palo Alto, the > weekly Wednesday Listening Project at Lytton > Plaza (University/Emerson ) which normally lasts > from 11 am to 1 pm will conclude with an > Impeachment Rally from 1 to 1:30 pm, and at 1:30 > pm we will march to Congresswoman Anna Eshoo's > Office (a short 5 minute walk- Eshoo's office is > at 698 Emerson Street) with our Valentine's Day message. Please join > us!!!!! > > Carol Brouillet > 650-857-0927, cbrouillet at igc.org, http://www.communitycurrency.org > > >Wednesday, February 14 > > > >Celebrate a Green Valentines Day of Impeachment > >Demonstrations ? Campbell, San Jos?? and Palo > >Alto (we will travel by the Light Rail - our Impeachment Train) > > > >The day of Impeachment demonstrations begins in > >Campbell at congressmember Mike Honda's office > > > >9 a.m. Meet in front of Mike Honda's office, 1999 South Bascom Ave., > Suite 815 > > > >Join the Green Party of Santa Clara County in > >showing love for our country and our > >Constitution.? The Green Party has passed a > >resolution requesting impeachment proceedings > >against George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and > >Alberto Gonzales.? Green Party representatives > >and the South Bay Impeachment Committee will > >deliver the resolution to our congressional representatives. > > > >Come with us as we deliver our resolution to > >Mike Honda, Zoe Lofgren, Anna Eschoo and Jerry > >McNerney. We are going to travel on our own > >Impeachment Train and we invite you to join us > >for a day of standing up for the Constitution.? > >We will begin our day at Mike Honda's office, > >travel by the Light Rail to Zoe Lofgren's office > >and to Anna Eshoo???s office.? We will have our > >signs demanding impeachment and in support of > >the Green???s resolution.? We will have a day of > >friendship, solidarity and enjoyment.? We also > >will be delivering impeachment valentines.? Plan > >to be a part of this history we are creating, this valentine of > impeachment. > > > >To RSVP and to get full details > >CONTACT:? Merriam Kathaleen 408-482-6032 > >mkmusic03 at aol.com ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 14:17:58 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:17:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: <0673A43E-1340-437F-B0FA-CB36EED451BC@duendevision.com> Message-ID: <628287.32570.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> I support impeachment, not impalement. Indictment, and incarceration including treatment for insanity are all part of the program, but not hanging as they insanely did to Saddam. Nonviolence and compassion should be the hallmark of the Greens. Impeach early and often! Drew --- Duende wrote: > Thanks Much Cameron > > I'm absolutely opposed to the death penalty but there's times I > forget it when it comes to the high crimes of our leaders. > > As far as Genral Tojo is concerned, I was under the belief that the > US had basically antagonized Japan into a war starting with bringing > > US battle ships into Japanese harbors. > > Peace > Duende > > > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > > > > Wes wrote (in UTF-8): > > > >> If, at the end of WW II, the figures who were responsible for > >> starting > >> that war, e.g. Gen Tojo, were executed for what they did, why > >> should the > >> same not be the fate of Bush / Cheney. Impeachment, trial, > >> sentencing > >> and reaping the reward for starting a war of choice. > > > > Impeachment and a truly fair trial should be routine. > > > > Execution is an act of revenge. Not deterrence, nor correction > > nor justice. It presumes power and authority no government > > should have. It normalizes murder. It undermines legitimate > > government authority and terrorizes oppressed populations. > > It's incompatible with broad and consistent recognition of > > the fundamental human rights. > > Governments that do it attract lawless tyrants into their > > leadership, and they bring all kinds of corruption with them. > > > > No executions. If our platform doesn't already say that, it > should. > > It's not even a radical position; it's where a lot of the nations > > we consider "developed" or "civilized" have been for decades. > > > > It seems to me that GWB, Cheney, and the rest exhibit various > > disorders that psychiatry can diagnose and has management > > protocols for. A society with a functional justice and health > > care systems would isolate them for everyone's safety, and deliver > > appropriate care. They belong in the loony bin, not the death > > chamber or a warehouse. We should be able to treat > > even dangerously insane people with compassion. > > > > > > Cameron > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 14:28:15 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:28:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Emergency Summit to Impeach Bush, Feb. 17-18 in NYC In-Reply-To: <45D1D8BD.6010003@charter.net> Message-ID: <20070213222815.92681.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> I've done the research. If you do the research you'll find that even the offices and phone numbers are shared between the two groups. Its well known among those activists in the know. You'll have trouble picking up on this fact if all you have to go on is their web site with carefully camouflages this fact. Hence 'front group.' I don't respect groups that misrepresent their origins as World Can't Wait does with its RCP origins. Now don't get me wrong: I have no problem with a Communist Party being active in the U.S. Further I appreciate that while most Liberals and Progressives have sat on their butts, the Communists and the Socialists have actually organized street demonstrations including literally thousands of people across the U.S. and even across the world. We Greens need to get out there and lead as they have. I have no problem with cooperating with the Communists and the Socialists. I just think everyone should have the courage to proclaim who they really are and not hide behind front organizations. I really resent that tactic. BTW, the RCP is Bob Avakian's cult of personality outfit. Green solidarity! Drew --- Wes Rolley wrote: > Fred Duperrault wrote: > > Drew, what do you have to verify your implication that 'The World > Can't > > Wait' is the "Revolutionary Communist Party's front?" > > > > Fred D. > > > A quick look at Wikipedia explains the connection, not all so clear > as > Drew implies... Quoting from the WCW entry at wikipedia.... > __ > > World Can't Wait was formed in 2005 > . > Its headquarters is in New York City > . Its founders and > steering > comittee represent a broad array of political affiliations and its > call > for Bush's removal has attracted a diverse range of endorsers which > include members of the Green and Democratic party and even some > Republicans, along with socialists, pro-choice activists, Catholic > sisters, academics, union representatives, and many artists and > actors. > > Prominent figures who have publicly supported the World Can't Wait > include Cynthia McKinney > , Major Owens > and Rev. Al Sharpton > , to Ralph Nader > , Michael Lerner > , former CIA analyst Ray > > McGovern , and Sean Penn > . ^[/citations needed/ > ] > > Some of the founders of World Can't Wait are public supporters of the > > Revolutionary Communist Party > > including Sunsara Taylor, a writer for Revolution Newspaper > . > > > -- > > I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. > Being willing is not enough; > We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci > Wesley C. Rolley > 17211 Quail Court > Morgan Hill, CA 95037 > (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 14:31:59 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:31:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Emergency Summit to Impeach Bush, Feb. 17-18 in NYC In-Reply-To: <20070213222815.92681.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <214455.41246.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Fred, here's a link of another person who did the research as well and demonstrates that World Can't Wait is a front organization for the Revolutionary Communist Party (Bob Avakian's cult of personality groupies). Green solidarity! Drew --- JamBoi wrote: > I've done the research. If you do the research you'll find that even > the offices and phone numbers are shared between the two groups. Its > well known among those activists in the know. You'll have trouble > picking up on this fact if all you have to go on is their web site > with > carefully camouflages this fact. Hence 'front group.' I don't > respect > groups that misrepresent their origins as World Can't Wait does with > its RCP origins. > > Now don't get me wrong: I have no problem with a Communist Party > being > active in the U.S. Further I appreciate that while most Liberals and > Progressives have sat on their butts, the Communists and the > Socialists > have actually organized street demonstrations including literally > thousands of people across the U.S. and even across the world. We > Greens need to get out there and lead as they have. I have no > problem > with cooperating with the Communists and the Socialists. I just > think > everyone should have the courage to proclaim who they really are and > not hide behind front organizations. I really resent that tactic. > > BTW, the RCP is Bob Avakian's cult of personality outfit. > > Green solidarity! > > Drew > > --- Wes Rolley wrote: > > > Fred Duperrault wrote: > > > Drew, what do you have to verify your implication that 'The World > > Can't > > > Wait' is the "Revolutionary Communist Party's front?" > > > > > > Fred D. > > > > > A quick look at Wikipedia explains the connection, not all so clear > > as > > Drew implies... Quoting from the WCW entry at wikipedia.... > > __ > > > > World Can't Wait was formed in 2005 > > . > > Its headquarters is in New York City > > . Its founders and > > steering > > comittee represent a broad array of political affiliations and its > > call > > for Bush's removal has attracted a diverse range of endorsers which > > > include members of the Green and Democratic party and even some > > Republicans, along with socialists, pro-choice activists, Catholic > > sisters, academics, union representatives, and many artists and > > actors. > > > > Prominent figures who have publicly supported the World Can't Wait > > include Cynthia McKinney > > , Major Owens > > and Rev. Al Sharpton > > , to Ralph Nader > > , Michael Lerner > > , former CIA analyst > Ray > > > > McGovern , and Sean Penn > > > . ^[/citations needed/ > > ] > > > > Some of the founders of World Can't Wait are public supporters of > the > > > > Revolutionary Communist Party > > > > > including Sunsara Taylor, a writer for Revolution Newspaper > > . > > > > > > -- > > > > I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. > > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. > > Being willing is not enough; > > We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci > > Wesley C. Rolley > > 17211 Quail Court > > Morgan Hill, CA 95037 > > (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > ___________________ > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From fredd at freeshell.org Tue Feb 13 14:55:13 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:55:13 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D241D1.4080806@freeshell.org> I took Wes's "executed" as not to be taken literally, but to mean convicted and/or punished. Fred D. Thanks Much Cameron I'm absolutely opposed to the death penalty but there's times I forget it when it comes to the high crimes of our leaders. As far as Genral Tojo is concerned, I was under the belief that the US had basically antagonized Japan into a war starting with bringing US battle ships into Japanese harbors. Peace Duende On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > Wes wrote (in UTF-8): > >> If, at the end of WW II, the figures who were responsible for >> starting >> that war, e.g. Gen Tojo, were executed for what they did, why >> should the >> same not be the fate of Bush / Cheney. Impeachment, trial, >> sentencing >> and reaping the reward for starting a war of choice. > > Impeachment and a truly fair trial should be routine. > > Execution is an act of revenge. Not deterrence, nor correction > nor justice. It presumes power and authority no government > should have. It normalizes murder. It undermines legitimate > government authority and terrorizes oppressed populations. > It's incompatible with broad and consistent recognition of > the fundamental human rights. > Governments that do it attract lawless tyrants into their > leadership, and they bring all kinds of corruption with them. > > No executions. If our platform doesn't already say that, it should. > It's not even a radical position; it's where a lot of the nations > we consider "developed" or "civilized" have been for decades. > > It seems to me that GWB, Cheney, and the rest exhibit various > disorders that psychiatry can diagnose and has management > protocols for. A society with a functional justice and health > care systems would isolate them for everyone's safety, and deliver > appropriate care. They belong in the loony bin, not the death > chamber or a warehouse. We should be able to treat > even dangerously insane people with compassion. > > > Cameron > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 15:24:23 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:24:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: <45D241D1.4080806@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <20070213232423.87216.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Hmm... since Wes said "Gen Tojo, were executed", I think Cameron undersood Wes correctly. Impeachment, not Impalement! The nonviolent alternative! Drew --- Fred Duperrault wrote: > I took Wes's "executed" as not to be taken literally, but to mean > convicted and/or punished. > > Fred D. > > > Thanks Much Cameron > > I'm absolutely opposed to the death penalty but there's times I > forget it when it comes to the high crimes of our leaders. > > As far as Genral Tojo is concerned, I was under the belief that the > US had basically antagonized Japan into a war starting with bringing > US battle ships into Japanese harbors. > > Peace > Duende > > > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > > > > Wes wrote (in UTF-8): > > > >> If, at the end of WW II, the figures who were responsible for > >> starting > >> that war, e.g. Gen Tojo, were executed for what they did, why > >> should the > >> same not be the fate of Bush / Cheney. Impeachment, trial, > >> sentencing > >> and reaping the reward for starting a war of choice. > > > > Impeachment and a truly fair trial should be routine. > > > > Execution is an act of revenge. Not deterrence, nor correction > > nor justice. It presumes power and authority no government > > should have. It normalizes murder. It undermines legitimate > > government authority and terrorizes oppressed populations. > > It's incompatible with broad and consistent recognition of > > the fundamental human rights. > > Governments that do it attract lawless tyrants into their > > leadership, and they bring all kinds of corruption with them. > > > > No executions. If our platform doesn't already say that, it > should. > > It's not even a radical position; it's where a lot of the nations > > we consider "developed" or "civilized" have been for decades. > > > > It seems to me that GWB, Cheney, and the rest exhibit various > > disorders that psychiatry can diagnose and has management > > protocols for. A society with a functional justice and health > > care systems would isolate them for everyone's safety, and deliver > > appropriate care. They belong in the loony bin, not the death > > chamber or a warehouse. We should be able to treat > > even dangerously insane people with compassion. > > > > > > Cameron > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Feb 13 15:52:00 2007 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:52:00 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: <45D241D1.4080806@freeshell.org> Message-ID: I say leave the capital issue up to the International Criminal Court. >From: Fred Duperrault >To: "Cameron L. Spitzer" >CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:55:13 -0800 > >I took Wes's "executed" as not to be taken literally, but to mean >convicted and/or punished. > >Fred D. > > >Thanks Much Cameron > >I'm absolutely opposed to the death penalty but there's times I >forget it when it comes to the high crimes of our leaders. > >As far as Genral Tojo is concerned, I was under the belief that the >US had basically antagonized Japan into a war starting with bringing >US battle ships into Japanese harbors. > >Peace >Duende > > > >On Feb 13, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > > > > Wes wrote (in UTF-8): > > > >> If, at the end of WW II, the figures who were responsible for > >> starting > >> that war, e.g. Gen Tojo, were executed for what they did, why > >> should the > >> same not be the fate of Bush / Cheney. Impeachment, trial, > >> sentencing > >> and reaping the reward for starting a war of choice. > > > > Impeachment and a truly fair trial should be routine. > > > > Execution is an act of revenge. Not deterrence, nor correction > > nor justice. It presumes power and authority no government > > should have. It normalizes murder. It undermines legitimate > > government authority and terrorizes oppressed populations. > > It's incompatible with broad and consistent recognition of > > the fundamental human rights. > > Governments that do it attract lawless tyrants into their > > leadership, and they bring all kinds of corruption with them. > > > > No executions. If our platform doesn't already say that, it should. > > It's not even a radical position; it's where a lot of the nations > > we consider "developed" or "civilized" have been for decades. > > > > It seems to me that GWB, Cheney, and the rest exhibit various > > disorders that psychiatry can diagnose and has management > > protocols for. A society with a functional justice and health > > care systems would isolate them for everyone's safety, and deliver > > appropriate care. They belong in the loony bin, not the death > > chamber or a warehouse. We should be able to treat > > even dangerously insane people with compassion. > > > > > > Cameron > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards? http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 From JGSHURT69 at aol.com Tue Feb 13 16:23:30 2007 From: JGSHURT69 at aol.com (JGSHURT69 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:23:30 EST Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Message-ID: I'd say that asking the complicit US Congress to impeach is misguided, SO THAT makes referrals to the ICC in The Hague all the more urgent. I also like the "5150 citizens' arrest" approach, where announcements would be made that the White House has been surrounded by a nonviolently activist citizenry, duly deputized in the name of innocent Iraqis where the UN Declaration of Human Rights is being violated systematically, continuously, and with great malice aforethought. Jeffrey in San Bruno -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at ispwest.com Tue Feb 13 21:48:59 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:48:59 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Adobe=92s_Buildings_Go_Triple_?= =?windows-1252?q?Platinum?= Message-ID: <45D2A2CB.4040603@ispwest.com> *>Tuesday* *February 13 at 11:45 AM* > >*George Denise* > >*Adobe's Buildings Go Triple Platinum* > > >In early December, Adobe Systems announced that the U.S. Green Building >Council has awarded Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design-Existing >Building (LEED?) Platinum certifications for Adobe's East and Almaden >headquarters towers in downtown San Jose, distinguishing Adobe as the world's >first commercial enterprise to achieve a total of three Platinum certifications >under the LEED program. Adobe's West Tower was awarded Platinum >certification last July and was the first building to be awarded platinum in the >LEED permanent program for existing buildings. > >The LEED Green Building Rating System?, a voluntary, consensus-based >national standard for developing high-performance, sustainable buildings, was >designed by leading experts in the construction industry to promote buildings >that are economically profitable, environmentally friendly, healthy and >productive places to work. > >George Denise, General Manager for Cushman & Wakefield, Adobe's facilities >management partner, will describe the technologies used to achieve the >platinum certifications, including intelligent water, electricity, and air >management systems, and note the savings to date and the return on investment. > George began by explaining that Cushman & Wakefield is a property management company, meaning that they don't buildings, they just run them. His company took over at Adobe about five years ago, when the energy crisis was in full swing. Because of that and several other factors, the management was much more motivated than such people usually are to go green. Because the payback from the first few projects was significant, he had leverage to really make further changes happen, which he took advantage of. George explained that usually the property management company has no incentive to reduce operating expenses. Typically, utilities are a small percentage of the overhead, and are passed along to building occupants on a prorated basis. Energy costs end up being a small percentage of a small percentage of the bottom line, so nothing changes. This was different because Adobe was the only client in a large building in an unusual situation. Many of the changes they made involved switching to more efficient lighting. Not only did this save money on electricity for lighting, but it also saved money on electricity used for cooling, because they no longer had to get rid of the heat from the hotter bulbs. Other changes involved things like installing waterless urinals in all the men's rooms. Sometimes George's staff had to dance around low level management that didn't want to change something, but most of Adobe was behind the project 100%. When Adobe first went for LEED (Leadership in Energy & Environmental Design) certification, they had invested $888,912 and thought they were already done with the project, but the certification process showed them many more improvements that could be done. By the end of the project, Adobe had invested $1,362,592, received rebates of $389,362, and reduced annual operating costs by $1,182,145. They also reduced energy use by 35%, natural gas use by 41%, domestic water use by 22%, and landscape water use by 76%. The Return on Investment (ROI) they got from the improvements they did before registering was 106%, and the ROI on later changes was 148%. In addition to the cost savings, Adobe still gets a lot of favorable attention for having Green Buildings at the platinum level. During Q & A many questions were answered. Replacing high pressure sodium lighting with low power florescents in the garages saved 45% on the lighting bills and made the light better there. Waterless urinals work because they have a pee trap with a layer of alcohol like liquid that sits on the exit valve to keep the sewer smells in the sewage system. They also have highly polished porcelain, so that all the liquids that fall in them go immediately down the drain. Solid waste production was cut by 80% to 90%. One reason they couldn't cut it more is that San Jose won't let them recycle or compost paper towels from the bathrooms for health reasons. Most commercial buildings aren't designed for energy efficiency. A lot of energy savings over current typical uses could be designed in if the architects wanted to. One problem is they have no incentive to do so. One reason more companies don't invest in these savings is that the ones that do them keep quiet about the results. At the end of the presentation, I picked up a copy of his speech and a detailed list of the projects they did. If you want my copy, let me know where to send it. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Does knowing they sell Terror Free Oil in Omaha, Nebraska make you want to move there? http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/ From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 13 18:09:29 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:09:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Patriotic Impeachment Primer: Defeating the Bush / Cheney tyrannous cabal; Just what is impeachment? Official rebuke and pol. eqiv. of indictment! Message-ID: <515920.47348.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> A Patriotic Impeachment Primer Defeating the Domestic Enemy of Our Constitution: Bush / Cheney's Tyrannous Cabal Q: Just what is impeachment? A: An Official rebuke and pol. eqiv. of indictment! ******************************** An original article by Drew Johnson (JamBoi at Greens.org) drawing directly from the U.S. Constitution, and including excerpts from the 'Impeachment', 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors' Wikipedia articles and other sources. [Note that time does not allow me include footnotes in this particular version that would properly credit all the sources - My apologies to those worthy sources ahead of time. So be it. DJ] + Six years overdue: Impeachment I offer my brief working definition of American constitutional impeachment: An indictment by the U.S. House of Representatives against a civil officer of charges of having taken an action that constitutes an offence against the Constitution to include but not limited to "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." Please observe that impeachment is inherently a *very* political struggle, not a legal struggle per se. It is applied against a political actor who has her or his own political base to defend. We can count on the one charged (in this case the tyrannts Bush / Cheney and their hench(wo)men fighting tooth and nail against impeachment. When we choose to enter this political struggle we must count the cost and understand that the cost of failure may have even personal consequences to us as individuals. It is not to be entered into lightly. In order to be successful it must be prosecuted with much commitment, spirit and elan. Ben Franklin said at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." This could be quite possibly be literally true in this case. We the People of the United States of America must gather all our courage and fight with all our might We act out of loyalty to our American Constitution even while we spit in the face and commit maximum treason toward the never-elected nonpResident "The Decider" Bush and Darth Cheney. Constitutional 'Impeachment', 'Conviction' and the resulting 'Removal from Office' is a political process taken by the Legislative Branch in order to maintain the balance of powers between the three branches. Remember our civics lessons on 'checks and balances'??? We need those checks and balances now more than ever. This two part procedure of 'Impeachment' and 'Conviction' has been termed the 'crown jewels' of the constitution because the Framers sought above all to create a structure that would help the United States of America to avoid the tyranny - the arbitrary wielding of power by a single individual or cabal as is present in unfettered oligarchies, dictatorships and the very King George of history that we Americans rebelled against, fought and died to win our freedom from. Let us not shrink back from wielding what we could call 'The People's Nuclear Option' that the Framers gave us to maintain our freedom. Our framers did not give us a recall function - they gave us an impeachment function and they did not give it to us for no reason. They gave it to us because they realized we would be forever engaged in a seesaw battle against tyranny. They gave us the remedy for tyranny. Now we must apply the remedy. Benjamin Franklin was asked ?Well, Doctor, what have we got?a Republic or a Monarchy?? Franklin replied: ?A Republic, if you can keep it.? In order to restore the intended 'For the people, by the people of the people' constitutional government to our land we must operate the machinery of government as passed down to us or kiss our democracy goodbye. I for one am not willing to see the blood of patriots who died to make this land free go for naught due to the weak kneed complicity of the unDemocratic Party who is more interested in maintaining power than in maintaining just and constitutional government. Stand aside and resign you unDemocrats if you have no stomach for what our constitution calls for in the face of tyranny - impeachment. If you prove yourselves criminally incompetent in this fundamental matter of American government than we independents, third party members, Greens, Republicans, Libertarians, American Independents, Constitution Party members, Peace and Freedom Party members, conservatives, socialists, communists progressives, etc., etc., etc. will gladly push you aside so that we can spread real democracy to the United States of America! In reality we need not accomplish the full two-step proceedure of 'Impeachment', 'Conviction' and the automatic result of 'Removal from Office' in order to achieve our main goals - 1) the official repudiation of Bush / Cheney's a) criminal actions against humanity, b) against The American People (and remember in reality collectively we are the bosses of the pathetic traitor who calls himself 'The Decider'), and c) the very Constitution of the United States (which all civil officers including Cheney/Bush and I would remind all the armed forces of the United States are sworn to uphold!!! We are sworn to be loyal to the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC) and 2) to force Bush / Cheney - traitors and Domestic Enemies to the constitution out of office. Why? Because it is very likely that as soon as we begin the process the Republicans will force Bush Cheney to resign as they did with Nixon. + So Just what is impeachment? An official repudiation of a 'civil officer's ' actions and the political equivalent of indictment. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html United States Constitution, Article II, Section 4: "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." Thus the U.S. Constitution lays out a two step process for removal from office of all civil officers of the United States, including the President and Vice President. 1) Impeachment by a majority vote of The House and 2) Conviction by a 2/3rds supermajority vote of The Senate. +Penalties for Conviction: We can still persue criminal (and war crime) charges! Article 1, section "Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law." + The Impeachment Function: In our american constititutional system IMPEACHMENT serves two primary purposes and some additional lesser functions. 1) Its an official repudiation by the House of Representatives chamber of the legislative branch against the actions of a U.S. governmental official ("The President, the Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States.") who, in the judgement of the House has committed "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" 2) it is the first step in the two step process for removal of a 'civil officer' from that office. The articles of impeachment articulate the formal allegations or the indictment if you will. Upon their passage, the defendant has been "impeached." Note that if the second step of CONVICTION is completed by a 2/3rds majority vote of The Senate, the Senate is allowed to impose the legal penalty that 'civil officer' is barred for life from ever serving in U.S. governmental service again. A U.S. 'civil officer' does not need to still be in office to be impeached. Indeed an official does not even need to be alive anymore to be impeached. Constitutionally and politically speaking impeachment is not primarily about removal from office. It is primarily an official repudiation of "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors". More broadly in its common legal usage, "impeachment of a person in the role of a witness is the act challenging the honesty or credibility of that person." That meaning gives us perhaps the best understanding of what impeachment really is: it constitutes a public, official statement that the scrutinized behavior of the civil officer was unacceptable and repugnant, and the individual is officially declared noncredible and dishonest in the eyes of the legislature by extension in the eyes of The People. Through U.S. history the House has initiated impeachment proceedings 62 times since 1789. In the beginning of The Republic the House was far more responsible in initiating this procedure frequently as the Framers intended. More recently due to the 'gentleman's agreement between the corrupt Duopolistic politicians in Washington The House has been irresponsible in not applying this constitutional remedy as was intended by our Founders. + A brief picture of how impeachment has been used in the U.S: In terms of full impeachment succeeding, the most recently impeached was former President Clinton. Through U.S. history the following 17 federal officers have actually been fully impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives: * Two Presidents: o Andrew Johnson was impeached in 1868 after violating the then-newly created Tenure of Office Act. President Johnson was acquitted of all charges by a single vote in the Senate. o Bill Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998 by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228?206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221?212 vote). Two other articles of impeachment failed?a second count of perjury in the Jones case (by a 205?229 vote), and one accusing President Clinton of abuse of power (by a 148?285 vote). He was acquitted by the Senate. o Please note Richard Nixon was well on the way to impeachment but technically he resigned prior to the vote taking place so technically he was not officially impeached even though the political effect was identical. The House initiated impeachment proceedings against Nixon, the House Judiciary Committee approved articles of impeachment against him (by wide margins) and reported those articles to the full House, but before the House formally considered the impeachment resolutions Nixon resigned. Both his impeachment by the House of Representatives and his conviction by the Senate were near certainties; Nixon reportedly decided to resign after being told this by Republican Senator Barry Goldwater. o Note also that Nixon's first vice president, Spiro Agnew, asked the House to impeach him in an effort to forestall indictment and prison on charges of tax evasion and money laundering. House Speaker Carl Albert refused, and Agnew resigned as part of a plea bargain on 10 October 1973. * one cabinet officer, William W. Belknap (Secretary of War). He resigned before his trial, and was later acquitted. Allegedly most of those who voted to acquit him believed that his resignation had removed their jurisdiction. * one Senator, William Blount (though the Senate had already expelled him and it may have been illegal, see above). * Associate Justice Samuel Chase in 1804. He was acquitted. * twelve other federal judges, including Alcee Hastings, who was impeached and convicted for allegedly taking over $150,000 in bribe money in exchange for sentencing leniency. The Senate did not bar Hastings from holding future office, and Hastings won election to the House of Representatives from South Florida. Hastings' was mentioned as a possible Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, but was passed over by House Speaker-designate Nancy Pelosi, presumably because of his previous impeachment and removal. Source U.S. Senate + Treason: If the shoe fits, wear it! Article 3, Section 3 "Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted. " + What is impeachment for? What are "high crimes and misdemeanors" Impeachment proceedings can be brought for any offence - there is no requirement in the Constitution that it can only be for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors"; these are merely the circumstances under which removal from office is obligatory. The oft-quoted tail end of that phrase "...high crimes and misdemeanors" is a catchphrase. The phrase covers allegations of misconduct that do not fall under a more clearly defined impeachable offence; e.g., high treason." Its very worthwhile pointing out that the phrase "...high crimes and misdemeanors" carried a different meaning when it was written into the constitution than it carries in the popular mind today. "High" in the legal parlance of the 18th century means "against the State". A high crime is one which seeks the overthrow of the country, which gives aid or comfort to its enemies, or which injures the country to the profit of an individual or group. In democracies and similar societies it also includes crimes which attempt to *alter the outcome of elections*. It is evident that in the absence of a contemporary clear legal definition, determining what rises to "high crimes and misdemeanors" is an inherently political process, which means that it is up to Congress and what it thinks constitutes an impeachable offense. In writing Article II, Section 4, George Mason had favored impeachment for "maladministration," i.e., malfeasance incompetence. James Madison favored focusing only on criminal behavior per se and his language regarding misfeasance was adopted by the framers. Nevertheless since the Consitution is a living document and since Congress determines what constitutes an impeachable offense, the mal- and misfeasance evident by Bush Cheney in such events criminal stealing of the 2000 and 2004 elections, as the criminal and deliberate suppression of scientists' attempts sounding of the alarm against the global threat of climate change, the the appointment of the manifestly incompetent and entirely inexperienced Michael Brown to the vital job head of FEMA, the deliberate cutting off of all telecommunications from New Orleans during Katrina, the deliberate and criminal halting of transport to rescue people trapped in New Orleans, the deliberate halting of food and other vital supplies to people trapped in New Orleans and the surrounding Katrina-ravaged areas, all constitute more than ample grounds for impeachment! I won't give a blank check in general to Wikipedia, however I'll endorse the following extended quote from the Wikepedia Impeachment article: _______________________________ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment "Impeachment >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This is about a step in the removal of a public official; for challenging a witness in a legal proceeding, see witness impeachment. (Depiction of the impeachment trial of Andrew Johnson, then President of the United States, in 1868.) In the constitutions of several countries, impeachment is the first of two stages in a specific process for a legislative body to remove a government official without that official's agreement. The second stage is called conviction. Impeachment occurs so rarely that the term is often misunderstood. A typical misconception is to confuse it with involuntary removal from office; in fact, it is only the legal statement of charges, parallelling an indictment in criminal law. An official who is impeached faces a second legislative vote (whether by the same body or another), which determines conviction, or failure to convict, on the charges embodied by the impeachment. Most constitutions require a supermajority to convict." ________________________________________________________ Impeachment is the remedy our Founders provided for Tyrannts like Bush / Cheney. We must apply the remedy now. It is what we can call 'The People's Nuclear Option.' Perhaps the American People can now see why lately I've started sign my e-mails with things like. "Impeach early and often!" Impeachment: the remedy for tyranny! Drew Johnson + A proud patriot and Citizen of the United States of America + Veteran of the armed forces of the United States and associate member of Veterans for Peace + Green Party of Santa Clara County County Council Member + Proud member of the Green Pary of California + Proud member of the Green Party of the US + Member of GPUS Media Committee, GPUS Dispute Resolutions Committee, GPAX observer. etc., etc., etc. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From wrolley at charter.net Tue Feb 13 20:41:18 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:41:18 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The other congressman speaks. Message-ID: <45D292EE.1080004@charter.net> I post this to keep you abreast of the efforts of the other congressman serving Santa Clara County, Jerry McNerney. To begin with, Jerry is giving his short speech in support of the Democratic resolution in opposition to the escalation of troop levels in Iraq. You can read it on his blog. http://weblog.jerrymcnerney.com/2007/02/breaking_mcnern.html#comments The other thing to note is that Jerry, acting against the advice of his staff, signed on as a sponsor of Lynn Woolsey's bill HR 508, that would have American Forces and American contractors out of Iraq in 6 months. Do not discount the strength of conviction of McNerney. He was a cadet at West Point who resigned in opposition to the Vietnam War. So, while you are delivering your valentines to Honda, Eshoo and Lofgren (none of whom signed on to HR 508) I will be sending my own email valentine to Jerry, urging him to call for impeachment. Wes -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From egroups at duendevision.com Tue Feb 13 22:51:35 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:51:35 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: <45D23FC3.9000202@ispwest.com> References: 0673A43E-1340-437F-B0FA-CB36EED451BC@duendevision.com <45D23FC3.9000202@ispwest.com> Message-ID: On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:46 PM, Tian Harter wrote: > Duende wrote: > >> Thanks Much Cameron >> >> I'm absolutely opposed to the death penalty but there's times I >> forget it when it comes to the high crimes of our leaders. >> >> As far as Genral Tojo is concerned, I was under the belief that the >> US had basically antagonized Japan into a war starting with bringing >> US battle ships into Japanese harbors. >> >> > Don't forget we also choked off a lot of Japan's access to > raw materials like oil and metal ores. I believe that gets files under antagonism. > > I've been in St. Elizabeths (DC's mental hospital) and I > can assure you that life imprisonment there would have > lots of deterant impact on everybody that knows about it. > > BTW: The criteria for being locked up in a mental hospital > involuntarily is "being a threat to yourself or other people." > Looking at the situations in Iraq and New Orleans, Bush > is DEFINATELY a threat to the health of plenty of people. And the White House is our most famous mental institution for the criminally insane . Namasate Duende From egroups at duendevision.com Wed Feb 14 09:08:27 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:08:27 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reply to field on emails Message-ID: <78253CA1-7E90-430C-943E-2F92DC3966F9@duendevision.com> Is is just me, but when ever I reply to a post it get's directed to the original sender. Then I have to insert the discussion groups address. It's the only group I have this with. It seems non sensical since this is a discussion list and typically replies are meant to be sent back to the list (if not, call it a news list, but there is a news list. I'd really like to see this changed. Paz Duende From andid at cagreens.org Wed Feb 14 17:02:04 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:02:04 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] food for thought In-Reply-To: <45C58CEE.789A@california.com> References: <45C58CEE.789A@california.com> Message-ID: <092D8C09-2C39-41F7-94FF-D051F81A38A7@cagreens.org> I've haven't eaten beef (or other 4-footed animals) in almost 30 years. I ate fish until about 12 years ago. I gave up turkey, even on holidays, about 8 years ago. My doctor describes my lab results as "awesome." At 68, I'm doing OK as a vegetarian, but I'm also getting closer to being a vegan, which means NO animal products used, including honey, eggs, milk, and leather. I don't use much milk for health reasons, but I don't have a problem with the products that don't involve killing an animal. I raised chickens for eggs years ago, and plan to return to doing that once I stop traveling so much. I still get silly remarks from people about being vegetarian. Like those who are surprised that I don't eat tuna fish or chicken--they aren't MEAT presumably...I kill plants, so therefore I'm no better than a carnivore...I'm not healthy if I don't eat "protein." Etc., etc., etc. I drive a hybrid car that gets 60-71 mpg; it's 7 years old and Honda quit making them. They also have tried for 3 years to buy it back. And as good ol' boy Charleton Heston said, "You have to rip it from my dead, cold hands." I'm looking to buy an electric car to drive for the short daily haul, keeping the hybrid for the long trips. My footprint is getting lighter as I get smarter. Andrea On Feb 3, 2007, at 11:36 PM, E. Alan Meece wrote: > Thanks Jam Boi for the info. It was nice seeing you at the vigil at > Stevens Creek and Winchester. > > Some food for thought or discussion: > (relayed from Ellen Holmes) > > Vegetarian is the New Prius > > By Kathy Freston > Huffington Post, 1.20.07 > > > President Herbert Hoover promised "a chicken in every pot and a car in > every garage." With warnings about global warming reaching feverish > levels, many are having second thoughts about all those cars. It seems > they should instead be worrying about the chickens. > > Last month, the United Nations published a report on livestock and the > environment with a stunning conclusion: "The livestock sector > emerges as > one of the top two or three most significant contributors to the most > serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to > global." It > turns out that raising animals for food is a primary cause of land > degradation, air pollution, water shortage, water pollution, loss > of biodiversity, and not least of all, global warming. > > That's right, global warming. You've probably heard the story: > emissions > of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide are changing our climate, and > scientists warn of more extreme weather, coastal flooding, spreading > disease, and mass extinctions. It seems that when you step outside and > wonder what happened to winter, you might want to think about what you > had for dinner last night. The U.N. report says almost a fifth of > global > warming emissions come from livestock (i.e., those chickens Hoover was > talking about, plus pigs, cattle, and others)--that's more emissions > than from all of the world's transportation combined. > > For a decade now, the image of Leonardo DiCaprio cruising in his > hybrid > Toyota Prius has defined the gold standard for environmentalism. These > gas-sipping vehicles became a veritable symbol of the consumers' > power to strike a blow against global warming. Just think: a car that > could cut your vehicle emissions in half - in a country responsible > for > 25% of the world's total greenhouse gas emissions. Federal fuel > economy > standards languished in Congress, and average vehicle mileage > dropped to > its lowest level in decades, but the Prius showed people that another > way is possible. Toyota could not import the cars fast enough to meet > demand. > > Last year researchers at the University of Chicago took the Prius > down a > peg when they turned their attention to another gas guzzling consumer > purchase. They noted that feeding animals for meat, dairy, and egg > production requires growing some ten times as much crops as we'd > need if > we just ate pasta primavera, faux chicken nuggets, and other plant > foods. On top of that, we have to transport the animals to > slaughterhouses, slaughter them, refrigerate their carcasses, and > distribute their flesh all across the country. Producing a calorie of > meat protein means burning more than ten times as much fossil > fuels--and > spewing more than ten times as much heat-trapping carbon dioxide--as > does a calorie of plant protein. The researchers found that, when it's > all added up, the average American does more to reduce global > warming emissions by going vegetarian than by switching to a Prius. > > According to the UN report, it gets even worse when we include the > vast > quantities of land needed to give us our steak and pork chops. Animal > agriculture takes up an incredible 70% of all agricultural land, and > 30% of the total land surface of the planet. As a result, farmed > animals > are probably the biggest cause of slashing and burning the world's > forests. Today, 70% of former Amazon rainforest is used for > pastureland, > and feed crops cover much of the remainder. These forests serve as > "sinks," absorbing carbon dioxide from the air, and burning these > forests releases all the stored carbon dioxide, quantities that exceed > by far the fossil fuel emission of animal agriculture. > > As if that wasn't bad enough, the real kicker comes when looking at > gases besides carbon dioxide--gases like methane and nitrous oxide, > enormously effective greenhouse gases with 23 and 296 times the > warming power of carbon dioxide, respectively. If carbon dioxide is > responsible for about one-half of human-related greenhouse gas warming > since the industrial revolution, methane and nitrous oxide are > responsible for another one-third. These super-strong gases come > primarily from farmed animals' digestive processes, and from their > manure. In fact, while animal agriculture accounts for 9% of our > carbon > dioxide emissions, it emits 37% of our methane, and a whopping 65% of > our nitrous oxide. > > It's a little hard to take in when thinking of a small chick hatching > from her fragile egg. How can an animal, so seemingly insignificant > against the vastness of the earth, give off so much greenhouse gas > as to > change the global climate? The answer is in their sheer numbers. The > United States alone slaughters more than 10 billion land animals every > year, all to sustain a meat-ravenous culture that can barely > conceive of > a time not long ago when "a chicken in every pot" was considered a > luxury. Land animals raised for food make up a staggering 20% of the > entire land animal biomass of the earth. We are eating our planet to > death. > > What we're seeing is just the beginning, too. Meat consumption has > increased five-fold in the past fifty years, and is expected to double > again in the next fifty. > > It sounds like a lot of bad news, but in fact it's quite the opposite. > It means we have a powerful new weapon to use in addressing the most > serious environmental crisis ever to face humanity. The Prius was > an important step forward, but how often are people in the market > for a > new car? Now that we know a greener diet is even more effective than a > greener car, we can make a difference at every single meal, simply by > leaving the animals off of our plates. Who would have thought: what's > good for our health is also good for the health of the planet! > > Going veg provides more bang for your buck than driving a Prius. Plus, > that bang comes a lot faster. The Prius cuts emissions of carbon > dioxide, which spreads its warming effect slowly over a century. A big > chunk of the problem with farmed animals, on the other hand, is > methane, > a gas which cycles out of the atmosphere in just a decade. That means > less meat consumption quickly translates into a cooler planet. > > Not just a cooler planet, also a cleaner one. Animal agriculture > accounts for most of the water consumed in this country, emits > two-thirds of the world's acid-rain-causing ammonia, and it the > world's > largest source of water pollution--killing entire river and marine > ecosystems, destroying coral reefs, and of course, making people sick. > Try to imagine the prodigious volumes of manure churned out by modern > American farms: 5 million tons a day, more than a hundred times > that of > the human population, and far more than our land can possibly absorb. > The acres and acres of cesspools stretching over much of our > countryside, polluting the air and contaminating our water, make the > Exxon Valdez oil spill look minor in comparison. All of which > we can fix surprisingly easily, just by putting down our chicken wings > and reaching for a veggie burger. > > Doing so has never been easier. Recent years have seen an explosion of > environmentally-friendly vegetarian foods. Even chains like Ruby > Tuesday, Johnny Rockets, and Burger King offer delicious veggie > burgers > and supermarket refrigerators are lined with heart-healthy creamy > soymilk and tasty veggie deli slices. Vegetarian foods have become > staples at environmental gatherings, and garnered celebrity advocates > like Bill Maher, Alec Baldwin, Paul McCartney, and of course Leonardo > DiCaprio. Just as the Prius showed us that we each have in our > hands the > power to make a difference against a problem that endangers the future > of humanity, going vegetarian gives us a new way to dramatically > reduce > our dangerous emissions that is even more effective, easier to do, > more > accessible to everyone and certainly goes better with french fries. > > Ever-rising temperatures, melting ice caps, spreading tropical > diseases, > stronger hurricanes... So, what are you do doing for dinner tonight? > Check out www.VegCooking.com for great > ideas, free recipes, meal plans, and more! Check out the environmental > section of www.GoVeg.com for a lot more > information about the harmful effect of meat-eating on the > environment. > > Kathy Freston is a self-help author and personal growth and > spirituality > counselor. She is the author of Expect a Miracle: Seven Spiritual > Steps > to Finding the Right Relationship. Her CDs offering guided meditation > have been featured in W, Self, and Mode. Kathy and her husband, Tom > Freston, divide their time between New York and Los Angeles. > > ? 2007 The Huffington Post > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Wed Feb 14 20:09:45 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:09:45 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reply to field on emails In-Reply-To: <78253CA1-7E90-430C-943E-2F92DC3966F9@duendevision.com> Message-ID: >To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >From: Duende >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:08:27 -0800 >Is is just me, but when ever I reply to a post it get's directed to >the original sender. Generating replies is not a function of the mailing list. It's a function of your email composing program, in this case Apple Mail. >Then I have to insert the discussion groups >address. That is a feature, not a bug. The question comes up pretty often and I addressed it here: http://www.greencommons.org/node/433 Cameron From andid at cagreens.org Thu Feb 15 00:13:29 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:13:29 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader leaves '08 door open... In-Reply-To: <150503.99744.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <150503.99744.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <043D21B5-E971-4854-B220-16D560D7C037@cagreens.org> Greens asking Nader to not run is like the Demos asking the Greens not to run--both using the "spoiler" argument. We're about free and open elections, aren't we? If not, we've now become part of a new amalgamation that could be called the Grublicrats! : - )) Andrea On Feb 5, 2007, at 5:46 PM, JamBoi wrote: > My $.02= Nader will hurt the Green Party's candidate if he runs again. > We can be quite sure he won't get our nomination (after all in all > likelihood he wouldn't want it anyway), so he'll be direct > competition. > It will be a bummer to have to criticize the Nadermeister. :- > ( but I > guess we're all about competition, and we'll have plenty of that this > year. I love Nader's points and rhetoric and we can certainly > appropriate that freely. :-) One of his quotes this last weekend > called the Republicrats duopoly arrangement of controlling our > government "the elected Dictatorship". Nice!!! Say hmm... wasn't > Hitler elected? .... > > Green solidarity! > > Drew > > http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx? > type=domesticNews&storyID=2007-02-04T190207Z_01_N04353722_RTRUKOC_0_US > -USA-POLITICS-NADER.xml&WTmodLoc=USNewsHome_C2_domesticNews-1 > > Nader leaves '08 door open, slams Hillary Clinton > Sun Feb 4, 2007 2:02pm ET19 > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former presidential candidate Ralph Nader on > Sunday left the door open for another possible White House bid in 2008 > and criticized Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton as "a panderer > and a flatterer." > > Asked on CNN's Late Edition news program if he would run in 2008, the > lawyer and consumer activist said, "It's really too early to say. ... > I'll consider it later in the year." > > Nader said he did not plan to vote for Clinton, a Democratic senator > from New York and former first lady. > > "I don't think she has the fortitude. Actually she's really a panderer > and a flatterer. As she goes around the country, you'll see more of > that," Nader said. > > On whether he would be encouraged to run if Clinton gets the > Democratic > nomination, Nader said, "It would make it more important that that be > the case." > > Democratic candidates he likes include former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel > and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, he said. > > Nader ran for president as an independent in 2004 and as the Green > Party candidate in 2000, when some Democrats said he siphoned away > votes from former Democratic Vice President Al Gore, helping > Republican > George W. Bush to win. > > ___________________ > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From andid at cagreens.org Thu Feb 15 00:20:59 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:20:59 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GPUS Release: Impeachable Offense - Global warming: Bush... In-Reply-To: <300629.14462.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <300629.14462.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Greens call Bush's tampering with scientific > research on global warming an impeachable offense > > ? Congress must hold Bush accountable for placing > U.S. and world at risk by manipulating scientific > reports to fit reckless, pro-corporate energy > policies > > ? "Bush is doing to the world what he did to New > Orleans" > I heard a report on KPFA that several scientists charged that the Bush administration changed or eliminated information in submitted official reports, and refused to allow those scientists to contradict or discuss talk it. Andrea From andid at cagreens.org Thu Feb 15 00:53:47 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:53:47 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BARACK OBAMA In-Reply-To: <45CEA9CB.8080206@ispwest.com> References: <8C91B7715BB8E47-1E4C-8C32@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> 1526A739-E3F9-4CF7-9412-462453BAAAD7@duendevision.com <45CEA9CB.8080206@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <343A7DF7-4B50-4DB3-A6F2-7BF5033D4759@cagreens.org> It sure would for me. I might stop voting for Nader if McKinney can stand up and emulate his relentless clear-headed analyses. She's been interviewed on KPFA several times. I've always been impressed by her POV. Andrea On Feb 10, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Tian Harter wrote: > There seems to be some almost a rumor kind of vibe going around that > Cynthia McKinney of Georgia is thinking about going after the Green > Nomination for President. Would that make our Primary interesting > to you? From egroups at duendevision.com Thu Feb 15 08:32:22 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:32:22 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reply to field on emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C0A0101-B538-42C8-87E7-9456BFAEB132@duendevision.com> Cameron I've been an IT guy since 1976. Let's try some simple logic. On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > >> Is is just me, but when ever I reply to a post it get's directed to >> the original sender. > To which you replied: > Generating replies is not a function of the mailing list. > It's a function of your email composing program, in > this case Apple Mail. > I use 3 email clients on 2 different platforms of 3 different machines. I am active in about 20 groups and have probably another 20 Is should unsubscribe myself from but the filtered emails make a great data base "just in case". Out of all of these groups, the green party discussion list is the ONLY one that has the stated issue. I have administered and installed over 300 lists for my previous employer, RLG. What went into the Reply-To field was definitely an option though one I left at the default setting which always included the lists email address. I've also administered a few private lists, one of which used the same software as this one, Mailman. I don't recall the setting on Mailman but the Reply-To worked by default the way ALL the other lists mentioned have. > >> Then I have to insert the discussion groups >> address. > > That is a feature, not a bug. The question comes up > pretty often and I addressed it here: > http://www.greencommons.org/node/433 I read this Cameron. Quite truthfully I got a head ache trying to decipher it even with 30 plus years exposure to tech talk.. (maybe the reason I quit doing computer work in June and formed my own Video Production Company ) What I can tell you is that you've made a personal decision to set up the list in the manner it is (See point 3 of your link). A decision based on some rather obscure claims and probably only sanctified in the world of tehnocrats who still despise the influx of AOL users (I admit I have my moments still but have turned in my techno judge armband during recent spiritual epiphany :-)). This list is setup in a manner that by your own words comes up often as a problem to different members of the community. I waited 6 years to request this. Now I'm waiting two days. Please change the setting on MailMan to reflect the wishes of those it has apparently been an issue with......and me. I'll give you a dollar :-) Paz Duende From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 09:12:33 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:12:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reply to field on emails In-Reply-To: <9C0A0101-B538-42C8-87E7-9456BFAEB132@duendevision.com> Message-ID: <614757.78022.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Brother Duende, I have to say that although my initial take on this issue was similar to yours (and I too have been a list 'owner' on numerous e-lists going back at LEAST to 1995), Cameron has convinced me that his solution is fine. All the user needs to do is 'reply to all'. Simple! That's what I just did to reply to your note! I see no problem with that and don't see a need to ask Cameron (who is after all an acknowledged international expert in e-mail issues) to alter the settings. By the way, on a completely different note we (The County Council) are trying to really get all our members connected and active (in 'real life' not just keyboardistas) and to do so we are re-starting our Locals. Can we interest you, and if so which part of the County do you reside in? Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew --- Duende wrote: > Cameron > > I've been an IT guy since 1976. Let's try some simple logic. > > On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > > > >> Is is just me, but when ever I reply to a post it get's directed > to > >> the original sender. > > > > To which you replied: > > > Generating replies is not a function of the mailing list. > > It's a function of your email composing program, in > > this case Apple Mail. > > > > I use 3 email clients on 2 different platforms of 3 different > machines. I am active in about 20 groups and have probably another 20 > > Is should unsubscribe myself from but the filtered emails make a > great data base "just in case". > > Out of all of these groups, the green party discussion list is the > ONLY one that has the stated issue. > > I have administered and installed over 300 lists for my previous > employer, RLG. What went into the Reply-To field was definitely an > option though one I left at the default setting which always included > > the lists email address. I've also administered a few private lists, > > one of which used the same software as this one, Mailman. I don't > recall the setting on Mailman but the Reply-To worked by default the > > way ALL the other lists mentioned have. > > > >> Then I have to insert the discussion groups > >> address. > > > > That is a feature, not a bug. The question comes up > > pretty often and I addressed it here: > > http://www.greencommons.org/node/433 > > I read this Cameron. Quite truthfully I got a head ache trying to > decipher it even with 30 plus years exposure to tech talk.. (maybe > the reason I quit doing computer work in June and formed my own Video > > Production Company ) What I can tell you is that you've made a > personal decision to set up the list in the manner it is (See point 3 > > of your link). A decision based on some rather obscure claims and > probably only sanctified in the world of tehnocrats who still despise > > the influx of AOL users (I admit I have my moments still but have > turned in my techno judge armband during recent spiritual > epiphany :-)). > > This list is setup in a manner that by your own words comes up often > > as a problem to different members of the community. I waited 6 years > > to request this. Now I'm waiting two days. Please change the setting > > on MailMan to reflect the wishes of those it has apparently been an > issue with......and me. I'll give you a dollar :-) > > Paz > > Duende > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From tnharter at ispwest.com Thu Feb 15 14:34:13 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:34:13 +0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reply to field on emails References: 614757.78022.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com Message-ID: <45D4DFE5.9020403@ispwest.com> JamBoi wrote: >Brother Duende, > >I have to say that although my initial take on this issue was similar >to yours (and I too have been a list 'owner' on numerous e-lists going >back at LEAST to 1995), Cameron has convinced me that his solution is >fine. All the user needs to do is 'reply to all'. Simple! That's what >I just did to reply to your note! I see no problem with that and don't >see a need to ask Cameron (who is after all an acknowledged >international expert in e-mail issues) to alter the settings. > > after I hit the "reply all button" I delete the individual names in the to fields. I figure those people would rather get one copy of the email. I think of it as a courtesy. It costs me as much as a second. Deleting the information I don't want to blast out again takes longer... >By the way, on a completely different note we (The County Council) are >trying to really get all our members connected and active (in 'real >life' not just keyboardistas) and to do so we are re-starting our >Locals. Can we interest you, and if so which part of the County do you >reside in? > > > Duende is (or was last time I checked) a Moutain View green. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added compasionate impeachment valentines pictures. From fredd at freeshell.org Thu Feb 15 14:33:05 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:33:05 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Presentation Message-ID: <45D4DFA1.9090904@freeshell.org> This is a reminder of tomorow's (Friday) "IMPEACHMNT EVENT" in Mountain View. (See below.) We hope you can make it. Fred To the Green Party of Santa Clara County and Friends: YOU ARE INVITED TO MEET DR. PETER PHILLIPS who will speak on IMPEACHING G.W. Bush, Jr. and D. Cheney, on Friday, Feb. 16, (7:30 p.m.) in the Willow Park Condo CLUBHOUSE, on the northeast corner of Moffett Blvd. and W. Middlefield Road, Mountain View. (Enter from Moffett Blvd.) Sponsored by the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition (SVIC). Admission FREE. Donations will be appreciated. Contact: (650) 691-1215, fredd at freeshell.org Sonoma State's Professor Phillips, the co-editor of and contributor to the collection of essays, "Impeach the President: the Case Against Bush and Cheney," will also sign any of his books purchased. In the interests of peace, justice and the U.S. Constitution, Fred Duperrault, SVIC Events Committee Member From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 15:03:29 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:03:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reply to field on emails In-Reply-To: <45D4DFE5.9020403@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <908189.28481.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Yes Tian I agree. That is the way I do it too, except sometimes when I chose to keep the last author(s) individual e-mail to call extra attention to the fact I'm replying to their e-mail. :-) Also if Duende is in Mtn View, that's great since our N. Valley Local will likely be the first out of the gate. :-) Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew --- Tian Harter wrote: > JamBoi wrote: > > >Brother Duende, > > > >I have to say that although my initial take on this issue was > similar > >to yours (and I too have been a list 'owner' on numerous e-lists > going > >back at LEAST to 1995), Cameron has convinced me that his solution > is > >fine. All the user needs to do is 'reply to all'. Simple! That's > what > >I just did to reply to your note! I see no problem with that and > don't > >see a need to ask Cameron (who is after all an acknowledged > >international expert in e-mail issues) to alter the settings. > > > > > after I hit the "reply all button" I delete the individual names in > the to fields. I figure those people would rather get one copy of > the email. I think of it as a courtesy. It costs me as much as a > second. Deleting the information I don't want to blast out again > takes longer... > > >By the way, on a completely different note we (The County Council) > are > >trying to really get all our members connected and active (in 'real > >life' not just keyboardistas) and to do so we are re-starting our > >Locals. Can we interest you, and if so which part of the County do > you > >reside in? > > > > > > > Duende is (or was last time I checked) a Moutain View green. > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > Latest change: Added compasionate impeachment valentines pictures. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 15:23:16 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:23:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GPUS Release: Impeachable Offense - Global warming: Bush... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <376112.96759.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Exactly! And does everyone know/understand that its illegal for the U.S. government to engage in propaganda that is directed towards American citizens??? This is clearly a case where the Bush regime has engaged in hard core propaganda directly toward U.S. citizens. Hence again we have an impeachable offence! Impeachment is peachy keen! Drew --- Andrea Dorey wrote: > > Greens call Bush's tampering with scientific > > research on global warming an impeachable offense > > > > ? Congress must hold Bush accountable for placing > > U.S. and world at risk by manipulating scientific > > reports to fit reckless, pro-corporate energy > > policies > > > > ? "Bush is doing to the world what he did to New > > Orleans" > > > > I heard a report on KPFA that several scientists charged that the > Bush administration changed or eliminated information in submitted > official reports, and refused to allow those scientists to contradict > > or discuss talk it. > Andrea > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From baalavi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 15:43:21 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:43:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Charlie Rose interviews Javad Zarif, Feb 13 Message-ID: <593172.98820.qm@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: More on Bush Admin FABRICATIONS to invade Iran: Charlie Rose interviews Javad Zarif, Feb 13 See it here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2590461775516908519&hl=en (Zarif segment starts at time index 25:40 [min:sec] ) One of the things Zarif pointed out was the dates on the displayed munitions at the dog and pony show conducted recently in Baghdad had the American format (mm/dd/yyyy), whereas everyone except Americans use the dd/mm/yyyy date format. Recent Activity 22 New Members 1 New Files Visit Your Group Yahoo! Mail Get it all! With the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta Y! Messenger Instant hello Chat in real-time with your friends. New business? 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Eric the Green Duende wrote: > > Cameron > > I've been an IT guy since 1976. Let's try some simple logic. > > On Feb 14, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > > > >> Is is just me, but when ever I reply to a post it get's directed to > >> the original sender. > > > > To which you replied: > > > Generating replies is not a function of the mailing list. > > It's a function of your email composing program, in > > this case Apple Mail. > > > > I use 3 email clients on 2 different platforms of 3 different > machines. I am active in about 20 groups and have probably another 20 > Is should unsubscribe myself from but the filtered emails make a > great data base "just in case". > > Out of all of these groups, the green party discussion list is the > ONLY one that has the stated issue. > > I have administered and installed over 300 lists for my previous > employer, RLG. What went into the Reply-To field was definitely an > option though one I left at the default setting which always included > the lists email address. I've also administered a few private lists, > one of which used the same software as this one, Mailman. I don't > recall the setting on Mailman but the Reply-To worked by default the > way ALL the other lists mentioned have. > > > >> Then I have to insert the discussion groups > >> address. > > > > That is a feature, not a bug. The question comes up > > pretty often and I addressed it here: > > http://www.greencommons.org/node/433 > > I read this Cameron. Quite truthfully I got a head ache trying to > decipher it even with 30 plus years exposure to tech talk.. (maybe > the reason I quit doing computer work in June and formed my own Video > Production Company ) What I can tell you is that you've made a > personal decision to set up the list in the manner it is (See point 3 > of your link). A decision based on some rather obscure claims and > probably only sanctified in the world of tehnocrats who still despise > the influx of AOL users (I admit I have my moments still but have > turned in my techno judge armband during recent spiritual > epiphany :-)). > > This list is setup in a manner that by your own words comes up often > as a problem to different members of the community. I waited 6 years > to request this. Now I'm waiting two days. Please change the setting > on MailMan to reflect the wishes of those it has apparently been an > issue with......and me. I'll give you a dollar :-) > > Paz > > Duende > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From wrolley at charter.net Thu Feb 15 16:07:58 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:07:58 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Congressman McNerney to be in Morgan Hill Message-ID: <45D4F5DE.8010409@charter.net> Here is a the content of a note that I received today. > As of this moment, 11:20 on Thursday, Jerry is scheduled to be at > > Community and Cultural Center of Morgan Hill > 17000 South Monterey /Dunne Ave. > Morgan Hill, CA 95037 > > February 21 Wednesday > > 1 until 2 The sender, Mary Ellen Salzano, is an advocte for Disabled Vets in the County and all of those who are at the Palo Alto VA hospital. The purpose of this meeting is to deal with veterans issues, where McNerney has announced his intent to work to increase funding for the care of wounded vets. If there are any Greens interested in this issue, I believe that this is an open meeting. But get back to me and I will let Mary Ellen know. Wes -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From eameece at california.com Thu Feb 15 14:11:51 2007 From: eameece at california.com (E. Alan Meece) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:11:51 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader Message-ID: <45D4DAA7.42F3@california.com> I don't see why Nader would think people don't want him to seek the Green Party nomination. He's perfectly welcome. He had a lot of support in 2004; the problem was, for one thing, he didn't seek it, except to have a stand-in (Camejo) seek it for him. He tried to get it sort-of like he got it in 1996; to be drafted. Many Greens preferred Cobb as an articulate candidate who would work to build the party but not campaign as a potential spoiler. That's the choice many Greens including me made in 2004. That does not mean we don't want Nader or anyone to run. Let Nader run in or out of the Green Party; he will if he wants to, anyway. I would probably prefer McKinney or someone else; we can vote and have our convention and may the best candidate win our nomination. I was glad to support Nader actively in 2000 and 1996. Eric the Green From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 15 18:59:22 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:59:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Congressman McNerney to be in Morgan Hill In-Reply-To: <45D4F5DE.8010409@charter.net> Message-ID: <110370.94830.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> I'm a disabled vet and I'm interested. Also, do we want to give McNerney our impeachment resolution there or at another time/event. Seems like a golden opportunity! Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew --- Wes Rolley wrote: > Here is a the content of a note that I received today. > > > As of this moment, 11:20 on Thursday, Jerry is scheduled to be at > > > > Community and Cultural Center of Morgan Hill > > 17000 South Monterey /Dunne Ave. > > Morgan Hill, CA 95037 > > > > February 21 Wednesday > > > > 1 until 2 > > The sender, Mary Ellen Salzano, is an advocte for Disabled Vets in > the > County and all of those who are at the Palo Alto VA hospital. The > purpose of this meeting is to deal with veterans issues, where > McNerney > has announced his intent to work to increase funding for the care of > wounded vets. > > If there are any Greens interested in this issue, I believe that this > is > an open meeting. But get back to me and I will let Mary Ellen know. > > Wes > > -- > > I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. > Being willing is not enough; > We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci > Wesley C. Rolley > 17211 Quail Court > Morgan Hill, CA 95037 > (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From WB4D23 at aol.com Thu Feb 15 19:12:35 2007 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:12:35 EST Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Requirements for Working Groups in 2007/8 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/8/07 8:39:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, wrolley at charter.net writes: The initial budget submissions for GPCA working groups have been compiled and should have been submitted. From what I have seen, there are three problems with the process: - none of the tasks that defined arose from County Council input. This presumes that County Councils should have any such involvement. Under Key Values of decentralization and grassroots democracy, membership, in general, "should" be participating in working groups. Committees operate differently with different missions. In the CCWG, I have repeatedly attempted to recruit local "County Contacts" for the CCWG. County Contacts have the responsibility to participate in the WG, particularly to communicate what is happening in the CCWG to County GP's and to communicate local GP concerns and issues to the CCWG. No one has volunteered to do this in the GPSCC (typical) and, since I am currently CCWG Coordinator, I have acted in that capacity ad hoc (subject to massive demands of time and energies as CCWG Coordinator and othe GPCA related activities). Any GPCA member can participate in the CCWG as much as they want to. Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Feb 15 19:15:05 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:15:05 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] County Council endorses PPJC actions 3/17 and 3/19 Message-ID: <45D521B9.2090703@earthlink.net> The County Council of the GPSCC has consensed to endorse the PPJC events below. For more info, see: http://www.peaceandjustice.org/ NOTE: March 17 is St. Patrick's day. I don't know if that is a coincidence or not. Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SC-SM] Request from Paul George PPJC to Endorse March 17th Peace Rally Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:30:59 EST From: WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com Reply-To: Santa Clara - San Mateo Communications To: sc-sm at lists.sonic.net Peninsula Peace and Justice Center will be organizing a major peace rally to be held on Saturday, March 17 at 12:00 noon at Palo Alto City Hall Plaza. There will also be follow-up actions at local Congressional offices on Monday, March 19. These actions are to mark the 4th anniversary of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The main slogans for the rally will be: Get Out of Iraq Stay Out of Iran From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Feb 15 19:23:16 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:23:16 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] County Council endorses PPJC actions 3/17 and 3/19 Message-ID: <45D523A4.7040204@earthlink.net> The County Council of the GPSCC has consensed to endorse the PPJC events below, (the peace rally on March 17 and the Congressional Office Visits on March 19). For more info, see: http://www.peaceandjustice.org/ NOTE: March 17 is St. Patrick's day. I don't know if that is a coincidence or not. Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SC-SM] Request from Paul George PPJC to Endorse March 17th Peace Rally Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:30:59 EST From: WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com Reply-To: Santa Clara - San Mateo Communications To: sc-sm at lists.sonic.net Peninsula Peace and Justice Center will be organizing a major peace rally to be held on Saturday, March 17 at 12:00 noon at Palo Alto City Hall Plaza. There will also be follow-up actions at local Congressional offices on Monday, March 19. These actions are to mark the 4th anniversary of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The main slogans for the rally will be: Get Out of Iraq Stay Out of Iran _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From egroups at duendevision.com Thu Feb 15 22:42:13 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:42:13 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reply to field on emails In-Reply-To: <614757.78022.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> References: <614757.78022.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Feb 15, 2007, at 9:12 AM, JamBoi wrote: > Brother Duende, > > I have to say that although my initial take on this issue was similar > to yours (and I too have been a list 'owner' on numerous e-lists going > back at LEAST to 1995), Cameron has convinced me that his solution is > fine. All the user needs to do is 'reply to all'. Simple! That's > what > I just did to reply to your note! I see no problem with that and don't > see a need to ask Cameron (who is after all an acknowledged > international expert in e-mail issues) to alter the settings. > Drew .. I'm glad you're one of Camerons fans but as I stated, I've been in this racket myself (for as many years if not more than Cameron.) While not a world expert as you say Cameron is (I can't find any books written by him), setting up and administering a list is childs play for the most part. However I do have 300 hours of Video to edit and I don't want to spend my time futzing with a belligerent listserver configuration when it can be done elegantly with only one small effort on the admins part can save this listservers community thousands of collective and needless keystrokes. I for one hate typing and sitting at the business end of an email client so I want it easier. And by the way, I checked in my agents configuration and I couldn't find where to change the reply-to field (have you?). I checked another agent I use and couldn't find it there either, so Camerons suggestions on the link provided aren't really very valid. If someone with 30+ years in the industry can't find a so called simple solution, imagine how those less informed feel reading his position on this. And again Drew.. I'm not the only one who's asked this...as Cameron said these requests are numerous. So who's list is this? When I was admin my users are who I worked for. While my lists were typically open to join I always had new members moderated until their first email. If it was a valid email and not a Viagra commercial I changed them to unmoderated and never had a problem with spam. Maybe content and tempers but hey...that's the first step in communications.. Honesty. . > By the way, on a completely different note we (The County Council) are > trying to really get all our members connected and active (in 'real > life' not just keyboardistas) and to do so we are re-starting our > Locals. Can we interest you, and if so which part of the County do > you > reside in? Drew.. I'm active in varying degrees and the Green party is just one of the many outlets I have to be of service.I shot the video of the candidates when they came to the Adobe House. At the time you seemed like you wanted it but other than one email you've never gotten back to me concerning the material. I think I'll chose to get my pep talks else where's.. OK Bro. paz Duende ________________________ The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples From egroups at duendevision.com Thu Feb 15 22:45:39 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:45:39 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reply to field on emails In-Reply-To: <45D4D844.5FCC@california.com> References: <9C0A0101-B538-42C8-87E7-9456BFAEB132@duendevision.com> <45D4D844.5FCC@california.com> Message-ID: <2F501ED7-266A-4DDD-91B4-806ACB155210@duendevision.com> On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:01 PM, E. Alan Meece wrote: > I agree; the reply should be to the list. > > Meanwhile, my reply-to-all button works; it just means it goes to the > person who posted AND to the list; > which means the person who posted has to delete the extra email; > but at > least it's more convenient for ME just to hit my reply-to-all > button... > when I remember to do it... > > Eric the Green I hear you Eric. There's just no reason for anyone to be inconvenienced by this in the least when there's reasonably sane alternatives. Peace Duende ________________________ The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples From wechslertoo at earthlink.net Fri Feb 16 01:01:03 2007 From: wechslertoo at earthlink.net (Curt Wechsler) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:01:03 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] don't let false accusations be your excuse Message-ID: <410-220072516913968@earthlink.net> Hi All, As a Green Party member who has devoted the last six months to volunteering for the San Francisco Bay Area World Can't Wait chapter, I urge you to visit the website, www.sfbaycantwait.org , to see how you can help in the important work that this organization is doing. Bay area attendees of the Emergency Summit to Impeach Bush for War Crimes, co-sponsored by the Green Party of the United States, will be returning next week to put ideas into action. We must take advantage of this opportunity to halt Bush's agenda, especially the imminent threat of military action against Iran. There IS no time to wait. The national Green Party is very much in sinc with World Can't Wait plans on numerous fronts in addition to impeachment. Red-baiting is a trap we can't afford to fall for. Please consider joining the thousands of prominent and not-so-prominent endorsers of the call to drive out the Bush regime. It's hard but rewarding work, and we can't do it alone. Come to one of our upcoming events listed at www.ifnot.us/cal or call 415-864-5153 to get involved. I'm tired but can't imagine giving up. Looking forward to hearing from you, Curt San Mate From snug.bug at hotmail.com Fri Feb 16 14:53:32 2007 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:53:32 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Electoral Integrity Sunday Night in Palo Alto 7 p.m. Message-ID: An evening with Dr. Steven Freeman and Paul Lehto. Dr. Freeman, you may recall, did the statistical analysis of the 2004 presidential election that showed bizarre anomalies in Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. Paul Lehto filed an innovative lawsuit against Snohomish County in Washington State alleging (if I remember right) that counting the votes electronically by the Sequoia Systems voting machine company represented an illegal outsourcing of the registrar's job. He also spearheaded the lawsuits in the San Diego Busby/Billray congressional election case. http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Election_lawyer_to_file_legal_contest_0731.html Given the recent publicity about Princeton University's finding that the Sequoia Systems voting machines can be easily hacked (1), and the fact that Santa Clara County uses Sequoia Systems machines, this county has the potential to be ground zero for a "reject the vapor ballots" initiative. Dr. David Dill, one of the foremost experts on electronic voting, is right here at Stanford. I observed the vote counting in 2005 and saw potential vulnerabilities in Santa Clara County's system. First off, using a paper absentee ballot makes no difference at all. They are counted on optical scan machines that are not simple unhackable appliances at all. Each scanner is as big as the largest copy machine you ever saw. Each one has a keyboard and a monitor. All the scanners are networked together to an accumulator PC, and the counts from this are transmitted to the same refrigerator-sized computers in the back room that count the votes from the electronic modules. Second, the registrar's office can not run a vote count with its own personnel. When I was there three Sequoia Systems people were essential to the process--in the most computer-literate county in the world, running Arnold's very simple special election. This state of affairs is ridiculous, and if we can't assemble an army of nerds to get rid of the black box machines here, we can't do it anywhere. So I encourage everybody to come to hear Dr. Freeman and Mr. Lehto on Sunday. When: Sunday, February 18 2007 @ 07:00 PM PST - 09:00PM Where: Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo Alto 505 E. Charleston Rd. Palo Alto, CA 94036 Description: An evening with Steven Freeman and Paul Lehto. Dr. Freeman is the co-author of Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? and is currently a visiting scholar at the University of Pennsylvania in the Graduate Program of Organizational Dynamics. Paul Lehto is a Washington state attorney and was selected as counsel for the election contest related to the Busby Billbray special election in California's 50th Congressional District. http://peaceandjustice.org/calendar_event.php?mode=&eid=20070207151203966 1. http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4141 _________________________________________________________________ Don?t miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft? Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ From andid at cagreens.org Sat Feb 17 07:10:00 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:10:00 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Electoral Integrity Sunday Night in Palo Alto 7 p.m. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <691833F9-AAC2-4B53-8C8C-AF5C0DD2AF8D@cagreens.org> Brian, I found that bit about the optical scan when I trotted in with my absentee ballot, looked around, and asked The Big Question: who counts the absentee ballots? I was devastated. Although convenient, it isn't a solution for the hacking frauds. Where to now? Andrea On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Brian Good wrote: > An evening with Dr. Steven Freeman and Paul Lehto. > > Dr. Freeman, you may recall, did the statistical analysis of the > 2004 presidential election that showed bizarre anomalies in > Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. > > Paul Lehto filed an innovative lawsuit against Snohomish County > in Washington State alleging (if I remember right) that counting > the votes electronically by the Sequoia Systems voting machine > company represented an illegal outsourcing of the registrar's job. > He also spearheaded the lawsuits in the San Diego Busby/Billray > congressional election case. > > http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/ > Election_lawyer_to_file_legal_contest_0731.html > > Given the recent publicity about Princeton University's finding > that the Sequoia Systems voting machines can be easily hacked (1), > and the fact that Santa Clara County uses Sequoia Systems > machines, this county has the potential to be ground zero for a > "reject the vapor ballots" initiative. Dr. David Dill, one of the > foremost experts on electronic voting, is right here at Stanford. > > I observed the vote counting in 2005 and saw potential vulnerabilities > in Santa Clara County's system. First off, using a paper absentee > ballot makes no difference at all. They are counted on optical scan > machines that are not simple unhackable appliances at all. Each > scanner is as big as the largest copy machine you ever saw. Each > one has a keyboard and a monitor. All the scanners are networked > together to an accumulator PC, and the counts from this are > transmitted to the same refrigerator-sized computers in the back room > that count the votes from the electronic modules. > > Second, the registrar's office can not run a vote count with its own > personnel. When I was there three Sequoia Systems people were > essential to the process--in the most computer-literate county > in the world, running Arnold's very simple special election. > > This state of affairs is ridiculous, and if we can't assemble an army > of nerds to get rid of the black box machines here, we can't do > it anywhere. > > So I encourage everybody to come to hear Dr. Freeman and Mr. > Lehto on Sunday. > > When: Sunday, February 18 2007 @ 07:00 PM PST - 09:00PM > Where: Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo Alto > 505 E. Charleston Rd. > Palo Alto, CA 94036 > Description: An evening with Steven Freeman and Paul Lehto. > > Dr. Freeman is the co-author of Was the 2004 Presidential Election > Stolen? and is currently a visiting scholar at the University of > Pennsylvania in the Graduate Program of Organizational Dynamics. > > Paul Lehto is a Washington state attorney and was selected as > counsel for the election contest related to the Busby Billbray > special election in California's 50th Congressional District. > > http://peaceandjustice.org/calendar_event.php? > mode=&eid=20070207151203966 > > 1. http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4141 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don?t miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from > Microsoft? Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/ > mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From baalavi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 16 17:04:58 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:04:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] SF to LA Bicycle Ride to Cure AIDS Message-ID: <840568.14085.qm@web52110.mail.yahoo.com> June 3-9, 2007, marks a bicycling event from SF to LA to cure AIDS. I am participating: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/5726 So is my son Daniel: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1846 Both of us love to receive your messages of support in our respective web pages. We will be looking forward to reading your messges. We appreciate your support. To learn more, please visit http://www.aidslifecycle.org/. Please note: All donors will receive a letter of acknowledgment for tax purposes. 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URL: From egroups at duendevision.com Sat Feb 17 12:04:14 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:04:14 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reply to field on emails In-Reply-To: <45D4DFE5.9020403@ispwest.com> References: 614757.78022.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com <45D4DFE5.9020403@ispwest.com> Message-ID: >> > Duende is (or was last time I checked) a Moutain View green. > > -- > Tian Yup..still a card carrying member and proud of it... except for the damned reply to field :-) Paz Duende ________________________ The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples From wechslertoo at earthlink.net Sat Feb 17 13:56:06 2007 From: wechslertoo at earthlink.net (Curt) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:56:06 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Fighting Back" California tour for civil liberties Message-ID: <8270208.1171749366858.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dear Friends of Lynne Stewart, Below you will find the complete schedule of Lynne Stewart?s 21-event, six-day Northern California tour. Michael Ratner, Jeff Mackler and Pam Africa will accompany Lynne for the first three days, February 23-25 during which time the tour will include major meetings and receptions in San Francisco, Berkeley, Marin and Palo Alto, all lisited below. Lynne will also be visiting Sacramento, Fresno and Santa Rosa as well at three area law schools and many other events. We are counting on you to support the tour by sending this email to your email lists, friends and by joining us to meet Lynne and and wish her well as she prepares to appeal her ?conspiracy to aid and abet terrorism? conviction and to oppose the prosecution?s effort to challenge the 28-month jail sentence imposed by Judge John Koeltl. Government officials are seeking to impose the original 30-year sentence recommended by the U.S. Probation Department. If you are unable to attend any of the events below, your solidarity check to the Lynne Stewart Justice Fund is appreciated. Please mail it to: 298 Valencia Street, San Francisco, CA 94103. We have also included an article on the tour for your information and distribution. In solidarity, Jeff Mackler, West Coast Coordinator, Lynne Stewart Defense Committee Tour Schedule Feb. 23-28, 2007 Michael Ratner, Lynne Stewart, Pam Africa, Barbara Lubin, Jeff Mackler (For details on all events, admission costs, or requests for additional meetings call 415-255-1085. Michael Ratner will join the tour for Feb. 23-25 events only.) Friday, Feb. 23: 10:45 am Oakland Press Conference, John Burris Law Offices 12:45 - 1:45 pm, Boalt Law School at UC Berkeley 2:30 pm KPFA interview 5:30 pm San Francisco Reception (Women?s Bldg. See below.) 7:30 pm SF Mass Rally, Women?s Bldg., 3543 18th St. (between Valencia & Guerrero (near 16th St. BART). Saturday, Feb. 24: 10 am Prison Radio SF Reception at Noelle Hanrahan?s house 415-648-4505 2 pm Marin Rally, College of Marin, Student Services Center (Cafeteria) 835 College Ave., Kentfield 415-302-9440 5:30 pm Berkeley Reception, Middle East Children?s Alliance, 901 Parker at 7th, Berkeley, 510-548-0542 7:30 pm Berkeley Mass Rally, Martin Luther King Jr. Middle School, 1781 Rose at Grant (near North Berkeley BART). Sunday, Feb. 25: 1:00 pm, Palo Alto Reception, Fireside Room, Unitarian Church (See below). 2:00 pm Mass Rally, Unitarian Universalist Church, 505 E. Charleston Rd., near Middlefield, Palo Alto, 650-326-8837, peaceandjustice.org Monday, Feb. 26: 7:50 am: KPFA interview with Ralph Schoenman 10:30 am Gray Panther Reception, SF, 415-552-8800 12:30 pm, University of SF Law School, Fulton at Stanyon, Kendrick Hall, 646-729-4303 5:00 pm Press Conference, Fresno 5:30 pm Fresno Reception 7:00 pm Fresno Rally, Mennonite Community Church, corner of Olive & Willow. 559-255-9492; maria.telesco at sbcglobal.net Tuesday, Feb 27: 5:30 pm: Reception, wine and cheese, Santa Rosa Peace and Justice Center, 467Sebastopol Ave., Santa Rosa, 707-575-8902, $20.00 7:00 pm Public meeting with Lynne Stewart and Jeff Mackler, New College of California, North Bay Campus, 99 - 6th Street, Santa Rosa (only a few minutes away from the Center), 707-568-0112, $10.00 Additional sponsors are the P&J Center, Free Mind Media, and Purple Berets. Wednesday, Feb. 28: 12:00 Noon, UC Davis School of Law, Moot Courtroom, 734-972-1036 5:30 pm Sacramento Reception, 403 21st Street, Sacramento, 916-369-5510 jekeltner at aol.com Michael Ratner, Lynne Stewart, Pam Africa, Jeff Mackler, Barbara Lubin ?Fighting Back? California tour for civil liberties ?Fighting Back: No one shall be tortured, falsely imprisoned, or denied basic democratic rights? is the theme of the upcoming February 23-28, 2007 San Francisco Bay Area tour of Michael Ratner, Lynne Stewart, Pam Africa and Jeff Mackler. Sponsored by and a benefit for the Northern California-based Mobilization Free Mumia Abu-Jamal and the Lynne Stewart Defense Committee, the tour includes some eighteen meetings, rallies, receptions and media events. (See tour schedule on this page). Winning new support for justice and freedom for Mumia Abu-Jamal and Lynne Stewart and defending basic civil liberties that are under severe attack today are the central objectives of the six-day tour. Lynne Stewart, 67, free on bail pending her appeal of a McCarthy-era type post-911 conviction on charges of ?conspiracy to aid and abet terrorism,? was granted permission to travel to California by presiding District Court Judge John Koeltl. Koeltl shocked more than one legal observer by sentencing Stewart, a lifelongcivil rights and political prisoner attorney, to 28 months in prison in the face of Probation Department and prosecution recommendations that she be sentenced to thirty years. Stewart?s crime? She was the lead attorney defending the blind Egyptian cleric, Shiek Omar Abdel Rachman, who was convicted of conspiracy charges to blow up federal monuments. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark and American-Arab Anti-Discrinimation Committee head Abdeen Jabarra, were Stewart?s co-counsels. In the course of her defense effort, in a case where the Wall Street Journal argued that Rachman was innocent, Stewart issued a public press release to Reuters News Agency indicating her client?s views on the policies of the Egyptian government that was then murdering Rachman?s imprisoned Islamic co-thinkers. Federal prosecutors contend that a Bureau of Prison regulation (Special Administrative Measure) prohibited Abdel Rachman contact with outside groups. The government is appealing Koeltl?s relatively short sentence while Stewart is appealing her conviction. Michael Ratner, president of the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights, will join the tour for its major Feb. 23-25 events in San Francisco, Berkeley, Marin and Palo Alto. Ratner won an historic law suit against the Bush Administration when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year that Guantanamo, Cuba detainees, imprisoned and tortured by government interrogators, must be afforded access to U.S. federal courts, that is, granted the right to habeas corpus. This victory was essentially nullified soon after when a bi-partisan Congress passed legislation legitimizing torture, but under a new name. The same legislation effectively denied detainees access to federal courts. The Bush Administration had originally argued before the court that detainees had no rights in U.S. Courts because Guantanamo, Cuba was not a U.S. possession. The more astute Supreme Court rejected this contention, thus reaffirming U.S. colonial rule over Guantanamo. Ratner is currently in a battle to use the German court system to file war crimes/torture charges against Donald Rumsfeld, U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and some eight other U.S. officials responsible for torture in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and elsewhere. Pam Africa is the central national leader of the political defense of Mumia-Abu-Jamal, the award-winning and innocent African-American journalist on Pennsylvania?s death row for the past 25 years. Jamal?s case is currently before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, with the State of Pennsylvania seeking its third order for Mumia?s execution by lethal injection. In 1982, in a trial that has been condemned by groups ranging from Amnesty International and the NAACP to the European Parliament and the presidents of France and South Africa, Jamal was falsely convicted of murdering a Philadelphia policeman. His defense team, headed by attorney Robert R. Bryan, await oral arguments before the court in a major battle that could lead to a new trial and Mumia?s freedom. The possibility of winning a new trial, based on numerous constitutional violations and racist conduct on the part of the presiding Judge and state prosecutor, has rattled the nation?s top lawmakers. In December 2006, the U.S. House of Representatives effectively intervened in the judicial proceedings against Mumia by passing a resolution, with only 33 votes in opposition, to condemn the French city of St. Denis for naming a street after Jamal. The resolution, initiated by two Pennsylvania congresspersons, was more intended to pressure the appeals court as it prepares for the final deliberative processes in Mumia?s case, than it was to change the view of St. Denis officials. The latter have visited the U.S. on Mumia?s behalf on several occasions and have rejected the congressional request, pointing to both the racist nature of the legal proceedings against Mumia and to the heinous U.S. death penalty. Jeff Mackler, tour organizer and director of the West Coast Lynne Stewart Defense Committee and the Mobilization to Free Mumia Abu-Jamal is a major spokesperson for both defense efforts and has written widely on both cases. Barbara Lubin, Executive Director of the Middle East Children?s Alliance will also speak at tour meetings. Lubin is a national leader in the defense of Palestinian rights. In addition to the immediate Bay Area counties the tour will take the participants to Frenso, Santa Rosa and Sacramento as well as to some five area law schools. The tour is co-sponsored by the National Lawyers Guild, the Peninsula Peace and Justice Center, Middle East Children?s Alliance, Vanguard Public Foundation, the Marin Peace and Justice Coalition, and Pacifica Radio Station KPFA. For further information call: 415-255-1085 From jims at greens.org Sat Feb 17 14:48:42 2007 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:48:42 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] It's Time for IRV in Santa Clara Message-ID: <45D7864A.7FF7D805@greens.org> For any Greens interested in helping implement IRV here in Santa Clara, Californians for Electoral Reform will be holding a strategy meeting on this topic. We're looking for people who want to work on this project. CfER is a non-partisan organization with members from all parties. Announcement below. Jim ========================================= Californians for Electoral Reform Strategy Meeting Feb. 28 You are invited to an IRV implementation strategy meeting with CfER on Wednesday Feb. 28 from 7:30 to 8:30 p.m. Santa Clara Central Park Library 2635 Homestead Rd. (between San Thomas & Keily) Sycamore room (1st floor; back, right corner) As you may remember, Santa Clara County voters adopted Measure F in 1998 which allows the use of Instant Runoff Voting in county elections when voting equipment is in place that can accommodate ranked ballots. That voting equipment has been in place for two election cycles now, but IRV implementation has been held up awaiting the Secretary of State to write the protocols for conducting an IRV election. While the newly elected Secretary, Debra Bowen, is generally favorable to IRV, getting the protocols written is still likely to be a ways off. CfER believes we should lobby the County Board of Supervisors to establish a task force to write local protocols for implementing IRV here in the county. San Francisco has held three elections with IRV. Oakland and Berkeley have adopted measures to implement IRV. There's no reason why we should not be able to implement IRV here in Santa Clara. This will be the topic of the strategy meeting. Please come and help put together a plan to bring IRV to Santa Clara County elections. RSVP to Jim Stauffer jimstauffer at sbcglobal.net 408-432-9148 From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sat Feb 17 16:01:23 2007 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:01:23 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: Invitation to Meet Cynthia McKinney and The World Can't Wait: Circulate Wide Message-ID: >From: SF Bay Area WCW Subject: Invitation to Meet Cynthia McKinney and The World Can't Wait: Circulate Widely Please! Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:37:03 -0800 (PST) You're Invited!! A Private Reception to Meet and Greet Cynthia McKinney and The World Can't Wait - Drive Out the Bush Regime! (SF Bay Chapter) Date: THIS WEDNESDAY, February 21st, 2007 Time: 5:00-7:00 PM at Anna's Jazz Island 2120 Allston Way Berkeley (just east of Shattuck Avenue and Downtown Berkeley BART) (NOTE: easy parking just steps away, Allston Way Parking Facility, 2061 Allston Way, just west of Shattuck Avenue) Suggested Donation: $100-200 Refreshments No-host full bar RSVP to this email, or call (415) 410-4484 (ask for the Cynthia McKinney Reception Committee) Reception hosted by The World Can't Wait, joined by our Honorary Co-Hosts: - Dennis Bernstein, Co-Host and Executive Producer, Flashpoints* - Robert Bloom, attorney - Desley Brooks, Oakland City Council* - Allen Michaan, Grand Lake Theater - Geoffrey Pete - Marc Sapir, MD, Executive Producer, Retro Poll * = for identification purposes only - And a thousand thanks to Ms. Anna de Leon, proprietor of Anna's Jazz Island!! This is a rare and perfect chance to meet Cynthia McKinney and members of the World Can't Wait. Come hear about and discuss the issues of impeachment of Bush and Cheney -- an urgent plan which both Ms. McKinney and the World Can't Wait movement are taking up with great urgency. This is also an opportunity to contribute to the ongoing work of World Can't Wait mobilizing to Drive Out the Bush Regime, and to help Ms. McKinney retire 2006 campaign debt. FRIENDS, please note: This reception came into being with just one week's notice -- so please help spread the word and bring your friends! We encourage you to donate to both World Can't Wait for its ongoing work, and to Cynthia McKinney to help retire her 2006 campaign debt. Please do bring your checkbook! And if you cannot attend, please donate on-line (click on the "donate" buttons): For Cynthia McKinney: http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com For World Can't Wait: http://www.worldcantwait.org ---------- ABOUT CYNTHIA McKINNEY and ABOUT THE WORLD CAN'T WAIT CYNTHIA McKINNEY is the first African-American Congresswoman from Georgia. She is a former member of the US House of Representatives who served six terms in the Congress, survived reapportionments and came back from a defeat engineered with a malicious crossover vote in Georgia's open primaries. Until 2000, Ms. McKinney served on the House International Relations Committee, where she was the highest-ranking Democrat on the Human Rights Subcommittee. A tireless advocate for human rights, Cynthia McKinney is an unstinting critic of the Bush adminstration's criminal acts, including the war in Iraq and its response to the fully predictable consequences of Hurrican Katrina. On December 9th, 2006 on her final day in office, Congresswoman McKinney submitted before Congress Articles of Impeachment against President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Secretary of State Rice. Read her powerful speech at the February 2007 Kuala Lumpur Peace Conference, "The World Can't Wait, Won't Wait, Isn't Waiting" here: http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com THE WORLD CAN'T WAIT - DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME! is organizing people living in the United States to take rersponsibility to stop the whole disastrous course led by the Bush administration. We seek to create a political situation where the Bush administration's program is repudiated, where Bush himself is driven from office, and where the whole direction he has been taking US society is reversed. "A movement to Impeach Bush for War Crimes can quickly advance the whole struggle; making ending the war and removing Bush a reality. As impeachment becomes imminent and his war options grow more limited, the more his war crimes are exposed, the greater the impetus for his removal and repudiation." For more: http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3827&Itemid=223 _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline From WB4D23 at aol.com Sat Feb 17 21:41:16 2007 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:41:16 EST Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Congressman McNerney to be in Morgan Hill Message-ID: In a message dated 2/15/07 4:08:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, wrolley at charter.net writes: If there are any Greens interested in this issue, I believe that this is an open meeting. But get back to me and I will let Mary Ellen know. The problem with this approach is that there are no local GP activists with an at-hand list of South County GP members who could be called or target emailed regarding this event. That is one of the purposes of having a "local" -- so people can do work "in their own neighborhood" consistent with Key Values of Decentralization, Grassroots Democracy and Individual Responsibility. It's great these kind of events get communicated. It's a frustrating reflection of our ongoing inability to get people to step up and volunteer for some of the basic but necessary organizing. Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MKmusic03 at aol.com Sun Feb 18 01:42:49 2007 From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 04:42:49 EST Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Hike At Ed Levin Park Mon. Feb. 19 Message-ID: Hi All, Drew asked me to send this announcement. Cameron is leading a vigorous hike Mon. Feb. 19 at Ed Levin Park. Meet at far parking lot at 2:00pm. Wear sturdy hiking shoes. Contact: Cameron Spitzer at 408-929-7601 Merriam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 11:04:17 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:04:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] South County Local (was Re: Congressman McNerney to be in Morgan Hill) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <783324.39615.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> The plan is for it to consist of everything in SCC south of (round about - with more input requested) Bernal Avenue. I (Drew) was actually the one who did much of the calling from our contacts list for the South County in our 06 election phoning we did. Yes, as Warner says this is the work for a Local to do, and I'm planning to help to get the South County (or whatever the group decides to call itself) Local started. We have Natasha, Tim, and a number of others whom I've been working with to get this going. As Warner points out Locals are the only way the GPSCC can really be effective in our campaigning and live out our value of Decentralization and Grass roots Democracy. Locals are how we are going to run local candidates and start getting Greens into government. Organize, Energize and Coalize! Drew --- WB4D23 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/15/07 4:08:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, > wrolley at charter.net writes: > > If there are any Greens interested in this issue, I believe that > this is > an open meeting. But get back to me and I will let Mary Ellen know. > > > > The problem with this approach is that there are no local GP > activists with > an at-hand list of South County GP members who could be called or > target > emailed regarding this event. That is one of the purposes of having > a "local" -- > so people can do work "in their own neighborhood" consistent with Key > Values > of Decentralization, Grassroots Democracy and Individual > Responsibility. > It's great these kind of events get communicated. It's a > frustrating reflection > of our ongoing inability to get people to step up and volunteer for > some of > the basic but necessary organizing. Warner > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From jamboi at yahoo.com Sun Feb 18 11:07:18 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:07:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] It's Time for IRV in Santa Clara In-Reply-To: <45D7864A.7FF7D805@greens.org> Message-ID: <262741.32476.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com> Excellent! Its definitely TIME! I'm extremely interested in general. I'll have to see if that particular time will work for me. Thanks so much to Jim for tracking this vital issue! Green solidarity! Drew --- Jim Stauffer wrote: > For any Greens interested in helping implement IRV here in Santa > Clara, Californians for Electoral Reform will be holding a strategy > meeting on this topic. We're looking for people who want to work on > this project. > > CfER is a non-partisan organization with members from all parties. > > Announcement below. > > Jim > ========================================= > > > Californians for Electoral Reform > Strategy Meeting Feb. 28 > > > > You are invited to an IRV implementation strategy meeting with CfER > on Wednesday Feb. 28 from 7:30 to 8:30 p.m. > > Santa Clara Central Park Library > 2635 Homestead Rd. (between San Thomas & Keily) > Sycamore room (1st floor; back, right corner) > > > As you may remember, Santa Clara County voters adopted Measure F in > 1998 which allows the use of Instant Runoff Voting in county > elections when voting equipment is in place that can accommodate > ranked ballots. > > That voting equipment has been in place for two election cycles now, > but IRV implementation has been held up awaiting the Secretary of > State to write the protocols for conducting an IRV election. While > the newly elected Secretary, Debra Bowen, is generally favorable to > IRV, getting the protocols written is still likely to be a ways off. > > CfER believes we should lobby the County Board of Supervisors to > establish a task force to write local protocols for implementing IRV > here in the county. San Francisco has held three elections with IRV. > Oakland and Berkeley have adopted measures to implement IRV. There's > no reason why we should not be able to implement IRV here in Santa > Clara. > > This will be the topic of the strategy meeting. Please come and help > put together a plan to bring IRV to Santa Clara County elections. > > > RSVP to Jim Stauffer > jimstauffer at sbcglobal.net > 408-432-9148 > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news From andid at cagreens.org Mon Feb 19 08:38:57 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:38:57 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Fighting Back" California In-Reply-To: <8270208.1171749366858.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8270208.1171749366858.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FF54019-772A-441B-8F61-4476797E166A@cagreens.org> Curt and all, Note that a number of hosts on listener-supported KPFA 94.1 FM have been conducting telephone interviews with Lynne Stewart on their shows; Lynne promotes the Tour and mentions, in particular, Michael Ratner and his great significance in past campaigns. Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! on KPFA has tracked Lynne's predicaments for the last year. KPFA, with all its flaws, is still the premier media source for independent/progressive news--unless you miss the mainstream media's "if it bleeds, it leads and if it thinks, it stinks," a great quote from Ralph Nader. An interesting local listener-supporter challenger is KKUP 91.5 FM who is now running a marathon, and has been around for 30 years! I heard Annie and the Vets live on KKUP yesterday at 9 AM, singing "Pipeline" and "Smart Bombs and Stupid Leaders," among others. Andrea On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Curt wrote: > > > > Dear Friends of Lynne Stewart, > > > Below you will find the complete schedule of Lynne Stewart?s 21- > event, six-day Northern California tour. Michael Ratner, Jeff > Mackler and Pam Africa will accompany Lynne for the first three > days, February 23-25 during which time the tour will include major > meetings and receptions in San Francisco, Berkeley, Marin and Palo > Alto, all lisited below. > > Lynne will also be visiting Sacramento, Fresno and Santa Rosa as > well at three area law schools and many other events. > > We are counting on you to support the tour by sending this email to > your email lists, friends and by joining us to meet Lynne and and > wish her well as she prepares to appeal her ?conspiracy to aid and > abet terrorism? conviction and to oppose the prosecution?s effort > to challenge the 28-month jail sentence imposed by Judge John > Koeltl. Government officials are seeking to impose the original 30- > year sentence recommended by the U.S. Probation Department. > > If you are unable to attend any of the events below, your > solidarity check to the Lynne Stewart Justice Fund is appreciated. > Please mail it to: 298 Valencia Street, San Francisco, CA 94103. > > We have also included an article on the tour for your information > and distribution. > > > In solidarity, > > Jeff Mackler, West Coast Coordinator, Lynne Stewart Defense Committee > > > > Tour Schedule Feb. 23-28, 2007 > Michael Ratner, Lynne Stewart, Pam Africa, Barbara Lubin, Jeff Mackler > > (For details on all events, admission costs, or requests for > additional meetings call 415-255-1085. Michael Ratner will join the > tour for Feb. 23-25 events only.) > > Friday, Feb. 23: > 10:45 am Oakland Press Conference, John Burris Law Offices 12:45 - > 1:45 pm, Boalt Law School at UC Berkeley 2:30 pm KPFA interview > 5:30 pm San Francisco Reception (Women?s Bldg. See below.) > 7:30 pm SF Mass Rally, Women?s Bldg., 3543 18th St. (between > Valencia & Guerrero (near 16th St. BART). > > Saturday, Feb. 24: > 10 am Prison Radio SF Reception at Noelle Hanrahan?s house > 415-648-4505 > 2 pm Marin Rally, College of Marin, Student Services Center > (Cafeteria) 835 College Ave., Kentfield 415-302-9440 > 5:30 pm Berkeley Reception, Middle East Children?s Alliance, 901 > Parker at 7th, Berkeley, 510-548-0542 > 7:30 pm Berkeley Mass Rally, Martin Luther King Jr. Middle School, > 1781 Rose at Grant (near North Berkeley BART). > > Sunday, Feb. 25: > 1:00 pm, Palo Alto Reception, Fireside Room, Unitarian Church (See > below). > 2:00 pm Mass Rally, Unitarian Universalist Church, 505 E. > Charleston Rd., near Middlefield, Palo Alto, 650-326-8837, > peaceandjustice.org > > Monday, Feb. 26: > 7:50 am: KPFA interview with Ralph Schoenman > 10:30 am Gray Panther Reception, SF, 415-552-8800 > 12:30 pm, University of SF Law School, Fulton at Stanyon, Kendrick > Hall, 646-729-4303 > 5:00 pm Press Conference, Fresno > 5:30 pm Fresno Reception > 7:00 pm Fresno Rally, Mennonite Community Church, corner of Olive & > Willow. 559-255-9492; maria.telesco at sbcglobal.net > > Tuesday, Feb 27: > 5:30 pm: Reception, wine and cheese, Santa Rosa Peace and Justice > Center, 467Sebastopol > Ave., Santa Rosa, 707-575-8902, $20.00 > 7:00 pm Public meeting with Lynne Stewart and Jeff Mackler, New > College of California, North Bay Campus, 99 - 6th Street, Santa > Rosa (only a few minutes away from the Center), 707-568-0112, $10.00 > Additional sponsors are the P&J Center, Free Mind Media, and Purple > Berets. > > Wednesday, Feb. 28: > 12:00 Noon, UC Davis School of Law, Moot Courtroom, 734-972-1036 > 5:30 pm Sacramento Reception, 403 21st Street, Sacramento, > 916-369-5510 jekeltner at aol.com > > Michael Ratner, Lynne Stewart, > Pam Africa, Jeff Mackler, Barbara Lubin > ?Fighting Back? California tour for civil liberties > > ?Fighting Back: No one shall be tortured, falsely imprisoned, or > denied basic democratic rights? is the theme of the upcoming > February 23-28, 2007 San Francisco Bay Area tour of Michael Ratner, > Lynne Stewart, Pam Africa and Jeff Mackler. > > Sponsored by and a benefit for the Northern California-based > Mobilization Free Mumia Abu-Jamal and the Lynne Stewart Defense > Committee, the tour includes some eighteen meetings, rallies, > receptions and media events. (See tour schedule on this page). > Winning new support for justice and freedom for Mumia Abu-Jamal and > Lynne Stewart and defending basic civil liberties that are under > severe attack today are the central objectives of the six-day tour. > Lynne Stewart, 67, free on bail pending her appeal of a McCarthy- > era type post-911 conviction on charges of ?conspiracy to aid and > abet terrorism,? was granted permission to travel to California by > presiding District Court Judge John Koeltl. Koeltl shocked more > than one legal observer by sentencing Stewart, a > lifelongcivil rights and political prisoner attorney, to 28 months > in prison in the face of Probation Department and prosecution > recommendations that she be sentenced to thirty years. > > Stewart?s crime? She was the lead attorney defending the blind > Egyptian cleric, Shiek Omar Abdel Rachman, who was convicted of > conspiracy charges to blow up federal monuments. Former U.S. > Attorney General Ramsey Clark and American-Arab Anti-Discrinimation > Committee head Abdeen Jabarra, were Stewart?s co-counsels. In the > course of her defense effort, in a case where the Wall Street > Journal argued that Rachman was innocent, Stewart issued a public > press release to Reuters News Agency indicating her client?s views > on the policies of the Egyptian government that was then murdering > Rachman?s imprisoned Islamic co-thinkers. Federal prosecutors > contend that a Bureau of Prison regulation (Special Administrative > Measure) prohibited Abdel Rachman contact with outside groups. The > government is appealing Koeltl?s relatively short sentence while > Stewart is appealing her conviction. > > Michael Ratner, president of the New York-based Center for > Constitutional Rights, will join the tour for its major Feb. 23-25 > events in San Francisco, Berkeley, Marin and Palo Alto. Ratner won > an historic law suit against the Bush Administration when the U.S. > Supreme Court ruled last year that Guantanamo, Cuba detainees, > imprisoned and tortured by government interrogators, must be > afforded access to U.S. federal courts, that is, granted the right > to habeas corpus. This > victory was essentially nullified soon after when a bi-partisan > Congress passed legislation legitimizing torture, but under a new > name. The same legislation effectively denied detainees access to > federal courts. The Bush Administration had originally argued > before the court that detainees had no rights in U.S. Courts > because Guantanamo, Cuba was not a U.S. possession. The more astute > Supreme Court rejected this contention, thus reaffirming U.S. > colonial rule over > Guantanamo. > > Ratner is currently in a battle to use the German court system to > file war crimes/torture charges against Donald Rumsfeld, U.S. > Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and some eight other U.S. > officials responsible for torture in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and > elsewhere. > > Pam Africa is the central national leader of the political defense > of Mumia-Abu-Jamal, the award-winning and innocent African-American > journalist on Pennsylvania?s death row for the past 25 years. > Jamal?s case is currently before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the > Third Circuit, with the State of Pennsylvania seeking its third > order for Mumia?s execution by lethal injection. In 1982, > in a trial that has been condemned by groups ranging from Amnesty > International and the NAACP to the European Parliament and the > presidents of France and South Africa, Jamal was falsely convicted > of murdering a Philadelphia policeman. His defense team, headed by > attorney Robert R. Bryan, await oral arguments before the court in > a major battle that could lead to a new trial and Mumia?s freedom. > The possibility of winning a new trial, based on numerous > constitutional violations and racist conduct on the part of the > presiding Judge and state prosecutor, has rattled the nation?s top > lawmakers. In December 2006, the U.S. House of Representatives > effectively intervened in the judicial proceedings against Mumia by > passing a resolution, with only 33 votes in opposition, to condemn > the French city of St. Denis for naming a street after Jamal. The > resolution, initiated by two Pennsylvania congresspersons, was more > intended to pressure the appeals court as it prepares for the final > deliberative processes in Mumia?s case, than it was to change the > view of St. Denis officials. The latter have visited the U.S. on > Mumia?s behalf on several occasions and have rejected the > congressional request, pointing to both the racist nature of the > legal proceedings against Mumia and to the heinous U.S. death penalty. > > Jeff Mackler, tour organizer and director of the West Coast Lynne > Stewart Defense Committee and the Mobilization to Free Mumia Abu- > Jamal is a major spokesperson for both defense efforts and has > written widely on both cases. > > Barbara Lubin, Executive Director of the Middle East Children?s > Alliance will also speak at tour meetings. Lubin is a national > leader in the defense of Palestinian rights. > > In addition to the immediate Bay Area counties the tour will take the > participants to Frenso, Santa Rosa and Sacramento as well as to > some five area law schools. > > The tour is co-sponsored by the National Lawyers Guild, the > Peninsula Peace and Justice Center, Middle East Children?s > Alliance, Vanguard Public Foundation, the Marin Peace and Justice > Coalition, and Pacifica Radio Station KPFA. For further information > call: 415-255-1085 > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 19 17:48:20 2007 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:48:20 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] naacp youth speakout Message-ID: <45DA5364.1000207@sbcglobal.net> *From:* Amaka Uzoh [mailto:amakuzoh at yahoo.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 16, 2007 5:04 PM *To:* pattiecortese at aol.com; gail.mohr at bankofamerica.com; dave at davecortese.com *Subject:* You are invited to the NAACP Youth Council's February Speakout! Hello, My name is Amaka Uzoh, and I'm senior at St. Francis High School in Mountain View and the current president of San Jose/Silicon Valley NAACP Youth Council. I am writing to you on behalf of our Youth Council to invite you and your colleagues to our February 2007 Speakout: History Lessons. If you are not familiar with NAACP's "Speakouts," they are basically open forums designed not only to encourage discussion about relevant issues that are plaguing our society on all levels but also strategizing to repair problems. In essence, they allow students, parents, and other community members to voice their opinions, and exercise their personal power, by collaborating with local elected officials and those in positions of leadership towards a solution. Speakouts are a unique way for us to express our novel ideas, and positively impact our environment as young people. **1:00 PM****, Saturday February 24 ** ** Iguana Taqueria** **330 South Third Street****, ** **San Jose**** ****CA**** ****95112**** ** **(S 3rd and ****San Carlos****)** This month, we're tackling the issue of the poor and declining academic performance of African American and Latino students in our Santa Clara County, and the Bay Area as a whole. Of course, this has been a common topic of discussion for years, but very seldom do you see such a discussion amongst the students themselves. We chose to address this issue now because as students, we feel that the situation is dire and worsening. The issue is not that the kids are incapable of performing well in school, its just that many of them don't even attend their classes regularly. How can they gain from their education if they don't even have value for it? There are already more Black males in our prison system than in this country's entire university system and we can't afford for the trend to worsen. That's why we have put our great minds together, put a twist on the issue, and come up with a solution. In the spirit of Black History Month and the upcoming Cesar Chavez commemoration next March, we are sponsoring the February Speakout to create awareness amongst parents, students, the County Office of Education and our State government not only about the issue, but about our solution--which is for schools to start offering elective ethnic minority African American History, Latino American History, and Asian American History to supplement the traditional history courses already offered. Last year, concerned African American parents in a San Jose school district conducted a study to see just how bad the situation truly was. The results were shocking, and disturbing. In that district, about 64% of the Black students were failing at least 1 class with a D or an F. Within the individual schools, some of the results were ridiculous with over 70% of the students failing. The statistics amongst Latino students aren't very different and their drop out rates are just as astonishing. I know it may be hard to believe, but many African American kids don?t even about Ruby Bridges or James Meredith, two kids who risked their lives and were victimized just because they had the dreams of receiving quality educations. They don't know that Bull Connor used fire hoses that packed enough power to strip bark off of trees, and set police dogs on unsuspecting children who were peacefully demonstrating in Birmingham, Alabama. They're unaware of all the harassment, shootings, intimidation, and "disappearings," that affected the Hispanic farm workers that tried to speak out about being sprayed with harmful pesticides in the fields. We sincerely believe that if the students were aware of the strife, struggle, tragedies, and steadfastness, that paved their way, they would be more appreciative and realize that their educations are an expensive luxury that should not be taken for granted. The histories of ethnic minorities, especially in California, have been filled with pain of course, but are also prodigious, rich, beautiful, and were instrumental in the development of California. These are lessons that should not be overlooked. Our state already has a reputation of being the innovative role model in our country when it comes to social reform, join us by being part of the process that will bring another one to the list. Please support this speakout by attending and spreading the word. The event will take place on **Saturday, February 24 at **** 1 PM**** at Iguana Taqueria--****330 South Third Street****, ****San Jose**** ****CA**** ****95112**** at the corner of 3rd and ****San Carlos****. **If you have any questions, the youth council can be contacted by email youth at sanjosenaacp.org , or by phone (408) 295-3394. I look forward to seeing you next weekend! Truly, Amaka Uzoh President "Don't look at it as a problem. Rather, view it as a time-sensitive opportunity for creativity..." From alexcathy at aol.com Tue Feb 20 09:42:44 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:42:44 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The 2 Baracks in Los Angeles Today Message-ID: <8C9232DA93D01C6-1C94-1BE7@mblk-d22.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends, Two persons are coming to Los Angeles today. This morning when I checked, my e-mail, I received a nice invitation to participate in a rally this afternoon with the FIRST person: Obama 08 Dear Friend, Join Senator Obama in LA Senator Barack Obama will be in Los Angeles next Tuesday, February 20, 2007 for his very first presidential campaign rally in California. It's a rally we hope will build on the tremendous grassroots strength this campaign showed in its very first weekend, as Obama was met by thousands of supporters in Iowa, New Hampshire and Illinois. Now it's your chance to show your commitment to transforming this nation and changing politics in his country. Please join us 2:00 P.M. Tuesday at the Rancho Cienega Sports Complex in Los Angeles. In announcing his candidacy, Senator Obama said this campaign can't only be about him. He said, "It must be about us - it must be about what we can do together. This campaign must be the occasion, the vehicle, of your hopes, and your dreams." The event is free and open to the public. Tickets are not required but recommended for faster entry. You can RSVP below to receive your ticket by email: Thank you! Obama for America I thought to myself, "Hey! That's cool! I'd like to check this out. Then, just a little while ago, I saw this little item posted on AlterNet about a SECOND fellow who is also coming to L.A. today: Obama To Raise Over $1 Million In One Night At Hollywood Event Barack Obama is making his first visit to Los Angeles since announcing his candidacy for president -- and it's going to be a very busy and financially-productive visit. Along with a public rally to be held at a L.A. recreation center, Obama will also be attending a series of fundraisers, including a breakfast in Hancock Park, a lunch hosted by members of an investment group, a star-studded reception at the Beverly Hilton Hotel, and a small dinner party with the fundraising co-chairs of the Beverly Hilton event to be held at David Geffen's Beverly Hills house. The cocktail reception is expected to bring in over $1 million dollars. Among those contributing $2,300 (the allowable maximum donation) are actors Jennifer Aniston, Denzel Washington, Eddie Murphy and Tom Hanks, studio chiefs Michael Lynton (Sony), Brad Grey (Paramount), Ron Meyer (Universal), Peter Chernin (Fox), Richard Cook (Disney), and producer Brian Grazer, as well as Jim Wiatt of William Morris, and Richard Lovett of Creative Artists. The dinner at Geffen's home is for people who helped raise at least $46,000 for the event. About 40 people, mostly part of the Hollywood contingent, will get the chance to get up close and personal with the candidate. "The level of enthusiasm and the breadth of the support have been amazing, especially for a candidate many people here haven't met yet," Andy Spahn told the Huffington Post. Spahn is a political advisor to Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg, who organized the fundraiser along with their DreamWorks partner Geffen. According to Spahn, the groundswell of excitement around Obama has been unprecedented. "Presidents come into town and raise this kind of money, not candidates that have just announced. These are Bill Clinton numbers." Ah! yes! An intimate dinner at David Geffen's Beverly Hills mansion with forty of his dearest $46,000-a-head friends (when I read this to Cathy she said: "So, if you ONLY raised $45,000 does that mean you're not invited?"). In the 2000 election they LAUGHED at Ralph Nader when he filled Madison Square Garden with thousands of people who paid for a $20 ticket. I like Obama. I really do. Nevertheless, this kind of thing reminds me of exactly why this is one African-American who is PROUD to be a Green Party man. Alex Walker ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredd at freeshell.org Tue Feb 20 15:23:42 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:23:42 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Feb 3 Awards Breakfast Message-ID: <45DB82FE.5080003@freeshell.org> Regarding having a Green Party presence at the Feb 23 Awards Breakfast, I've changed my mind about going. However, I'll donate $10 as part of the cost for another volunteer who might want to attend. Fred D. fredd at freeshell.org From fredd at freeshell.org Tue Feb 20 16:36:01 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:36:01 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Feb 3 Awards Breakfast Message-ID: <45DB93F1.2060600@freeshell.org> Sorry about omiting the "2" in the above "Subject." fd Regarding having a Green Party presence at the Feb 23 Awards Breakfast, I've changed my mind about going. However, I'll donate $10 as part of the cost for another volunteer who might want to attend. Fred D. fredd at freeshell.org _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 18:10:49 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:10:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Wonderful Hike!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070221021049.1321.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Me too! I neeeeeeeeded that! It was my Birthday gift to myself. Green and proud of it! Drew --- Andrea Dorey wrote: > I had fun today! > It's been a long time since I've been out in a group--I forgot how > much fun it could be. Thanks for letting me come. > Andrea > PS - No significant knee pain last night and this AM. > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Tue Feb 20 21:54:04 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:54:04 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] afternoon in Ed Levin County Park Message-ID: First hike of the year yesterday. I took some pictures. http://greens.org/~cls/2007feb19/ From andid at cagreens.org Wed Feb 21 19:51:14 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:51:14 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] afternoon in Ed Levin County Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D981E63-539B-4B92-AE0E-19BE7F0D765F@cagreens.org> Cameron, The pictures are terrific, but I'm disappointed that, along with the wild turkeys, you didn't get a shot of the wild cows!! Andrea On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > > First hike of the year yesterday. I took some pictures. > > http://greens.org/~cls/2007feb19/ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 08:27:43 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:27:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] afternoon in Ed Levin County Park In-Reply-To: <5D981E63-539B-4B92-AE0E-19BE7F0D765F@cagreens.org> Message-ID: <394450.3630.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com> ;-) Wild only in the sense that we weren't sure how they'd respond in any given moment. Creating a Green future for our Valley! Drew --- Andrea Dorey wrote: > Cameron, > The pictures are terrific, but I'm disappointed that, along with the > > wild turkeys, you didn't get a shot of the wild cows!! > Andrea > > On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: > > > > > > > First hike of the year yesterday. I took some pictures. > > > > http://greens.org/~cls/2007feb19/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited From jamboi at yahoo.com Thu Feb 22 08:28:10 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:28:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Convictions Confirm Ohio 2004 Recount Was Rigged Message-ID: <20070222162810.36654.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Note: my (JamBoi's) work on this issue is how I became the Greens #1 blogger and one of the world's most well known electoral justice bloggers (and if you're unaware of the mindblowing amount of activism I've done on the stolen 2004 election simply google for JamBoi and you'll get >12,000 hits, most all of them really are my own original blogging posts!!!) I'm extremely pleased to see that the fraudulent 2004 elections are finally getting some justice applied to them. Don't let the Demlicans/Republicrats treat your vote as if it were there's to determine the fate of! It was not President-in-exile Kerry's right to fail to count all the votes as he'd pledged to do - those votes were not his personal property, but rather belonged to We the People! The most advanced technology humankind has ever concieved of to implement democratic secret ballots are Paper ballots, hand counted by human beings. Accept no substitute. When cheating occurs with paper ballots its done at the retail level and requires massive numbers of people (who are caught or fess up rather quickly usually) to carry out. When done by computer (and bear in mind I'm a Software Engineer with full credentials saying this) it is done at the wholesale level and one or just a handfull of criminal cracker computer programmers can insert two lines of code among millions, remove them and make off with an election with no evidence left behind!!! Don't let computers and proprietary corporations steal your democracy!!! Just say no to computers in elections! Democracy's most sacred sacrament = secret ballot voting! Paper ballots, hand counted by non- or multipartisan humans only! Drew From: "Scott McLarty" Subject: [usgp-media] Ohio convictions confirm that the 2004 recount was rigged (Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman, Free Press) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:58:54 -0800 (PST) (This important news is a month old, but I don't think I've seen it circulated on any discussion lists -- Scott) Convictions Confirm Ohio 2004 Recount Was Rigged First Criminal Convictions From Ohio's Stolen 2004 Election Confirm Recount Was Rigged by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman Free Press (Ohio), January 27, 2007 http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2379 The first felony convictions of two Cleveland poll workers stemming from Ohio's stolen 2004 election confirm that the official recount in that contested vote was, in the words of county prosecutors, "rigged." The question now is whether further prosecutions will reach higher up in the ranks of officials who may have been involved in illegalities throughout the rest of the state. The convictions have come down in Cuyahoga County, where Democratic candidates traditionally run up huge majorities. Suspicious vote counts and other irregularities cut deeply into John Kerry's margins in 2004. Official vote counts gave the state---and thus the presidency---to George W. Bush by about 118,000 votes out of 5.5 million counted. A statewide recount, paid for by the Green and Libertarian Parties, was marred in 87 of the state's 88 counties by the types of illegalities that led to this week's convictions. Only in Coshocton County was a full, manual recount performed. Throughout the rest of the state, under the direction of Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, mandatory random sampling was not done, as prescribed by law. Instead, poll workers illegally chose sample precincts for recounting where they knew there would be no problems, and then routinely recounted the rest of the ballots by machine, rendering the recount meaningless. Blackwell simultaneously served as state co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign. This fall he was defeated in his campaign for governor by Democrat Ted Strickland. County Prosecutor Kevin Baxter opened the Cuyahoga trial by charging that "the evidence will show that this recount was rigged, maybe not for political reasons, but rigged nonetheless." Baxter said three election workers "did this so they could spend a day rather than weeks or months" on the recount. "This was a very hush operation." Jacqueline Maiden, the county election board's third-ranking employee, and Kathleen Dreamer, an assistant manager, have each been convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct and a misdemeanor count of failing to perform their duties. Rosie Grier, the board's ballot department manager, was acquitted on all seven counts raised against the three. Sentencing is scheduled for late February. Defense attorneys have indicated they will appeal. The felony conviction carries a possible sentence of six to 18 months. The county prosecutors have not yet alleged vote fraud. No do they say mishandling the recount affected the election's outcome. Dreamer's defense attorney, Roger Synenberg, said the defendants "were just doing [the recount] the way they were always doing it." But Cuyahoga's precinct-by-precinct vote counts and turnout numbers varied wildly and improbably. Several predominantly black precincts showed turnouts of less than 30% in a county where overall turnout was around 60%. One ward showed a 7% turnout as compared to surrounding precincts with turnouts nearly ten times as high. Further prosecutions may now hinge on what Maiden and Dreamer might tell prosecutors about the role played by higher-ups. The assumption is widespread that the decision to consciously designate test precincts, rather than choose them at random, must have been at least tacitly approved by Secretary of State Blackwell. In Cleveland, Robert Bennett, chair of the state's Republican Party, also served as chair of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections. Cuyahoga BOE Executive Director Michael Vu was chosen by the county Democratic Party. Under Vu's direction, the county's elections have been rife with chaos, irregularities and apparent fraud. When the Democrats recently tried to remove him from his post, Vu was supported by Bennett and the Republican Party. He kept his job when Blackwell strategically abstained from a key removal vote. There is growing evidence that what happened in Cleveland was the rule, rather than the exception, in Ohio's 2004 presidential recount. Sworn testimony at a public hearing in Toledo indicates Diebold technicians were involved in picking "random" precincts to be recounted there. A memory card was apparently lacking from at least one optiscan machines. Miami County election officials admit they merely ran the optiscan ballots through the ES 550 counter, rather than doing the prescribed random recounts. Free Press reporters have found recount results varied signficantly from official results, which should have triggered a hand recount of all the ballots in the county. This was never done in Miami or in any other Ohio County except Coshocton. Handwritten field notes from Paddy Shaffer, the Green/Libertarian Recount Coordinator in Delaware County in 2004, call into question the role played by ES&S technician Sam Hogsett. On December 15, 2004, Shaffer recorded at 2:42pm that Hogsett was "...tapping tabulator machine on left. There are two machines in the room. Kim [Spangler] says he is doing this because the light/ the switch keeps going out. He has now handled the machines multiple times." At 4:25pm, Shaffer recorded "ES&S tech Sam Hogsett back on the machine and touching the ballots. They are working on Genoa precincts. My intuition is screaming get him away from the ballots and machines. ... He continued moving around the machines, stacking in the ballots." At 5:05pm Shaffer noted "Sam is back loading and stacking. Throughout much of this time, Sam is the one to call out the precinct total and the name." Sam Hogsett is more than an ES&S technician according to Shaffer and others who investigated him, who have found his letters to the editor quite alarming. Voting rights activists troubled by Hogsett's role in the recount found letters posted under the name Sam Hogsett, Crown City, at the southeatern Ohio newspaper website www.herald-dispatch.com. One of the letters begins as follows: "I recently read in this pitifully left-leaning editorial section that the spineless, thoughtless, moral less useless left-wing liberal America hater Robert Sheer is unsuccessfully attempting to use an apples-to-oranges comparison to wrongfully attack our Second Amendment rights." Hogsett goes on to write: "... He [Sheer] believes that if I were to take a Smith and Wesson and blast his little pea brain to bits, that his family should be able to sue the manufacturer and the gun dealer who sold it to me." Initially, Delaware County Prosecutor Dave Yost obtained a temporary restraining order stopping the recount in Delaware County on November 23, 2004. The Delaware Gazette noted a complaint from Shaffer about the role Hogsett played in the recount as a private voting machine company technician, and in a report dated January 1, 2005, Shaffer wrote the Delaware County Board of Elections that John Myers of the Delaware County Democratic Party said that, "He was very pleased that unlike many counties that are at the mercy of computer technicians, Delaware is not. He [Myers] said during both conversations, even repeated over and over, that they do their own programming. So why was Sam Hogsett needed? Why involve the technician in the process of the recount?" Board of Elections records in Fairfield County document that when the recount was not matching thus mandating a full handcount under Ohio law, the Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell's office recommended that Sam Hogsett be brought in to deal with the discrepancies between the official count and the recount. After Hogsett arrived and took charge of the recount as a private ES&S technician, the vote matched perfectly for the first time. In Athens and Auglaize Counties, BOE workers who attempted to blow the whistle on apparent election irregularities were forced out of their jobs. Overall, the illegalities prompting these initial convictions in Cuyahoga County appear to be the rule rather than the exception in the handling of the Ohio 2004 recount statewide. The question now is whether parallel prosecutions will follow in other counties. And whether such prosecutions might include those who are likely to have ordered or approved the illegalities that marred the recount in Cleveland, and throughout the rest of the state. Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of HOW THE GOP STOLE AMERICA'S 2004 ELECTION & IS RIGGING 2008 ( http://www.freepress.org/), and, with Steve Rosenfeld, of WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO?, published by the New Press. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From egroups at duendevision.com Thu Feb 22 08:53:47 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:53:47 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Convictions Confirm Ohio 2004 Recount Was Rigged In-Reply-To: <20070222162810.36654.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20070222162810.36654.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > The most advanced technology humankind has ever concieved of to > implement democratic secret ballots are Paper ballots, hand counted by > human beings. Accept no substitute. When cheating occurs with paper > ballots its done at the retail level and requires massive numbers of > people (who are caught or fess up rather quickly usually) to carry > out. > When done by computer (and bear in mind I'm a Software Engineer with > full credentials saying this) it is done at the wholesale level and > one > or just a handfull of criminal cracker computer programmers can insert > two lines of code among millions, remove them and make off with an > election with no evidence left behind!!! Don't let computers and > proprietary corporations steal your democracy!!! Just say no to > computers in elections! > > Democracy's most sacred sacrament = secret ballot voting! Paper > ballots, hand counted by non- or multipartisan humans only! > The issue isn't paper ballots vs computer voting. First, paper ballots don't allow a reasonable form of tabulating IRV and PR voting. The problem is honesty. There is a solution and a very simple and inexpensive one. Demand that the software and hardware used in elections be driven by the Open Source Community. You'll have the best minds on the planet scrutinizing the code and processes to make sure no one's getting over. I've been muttering this for a decade. Paz Duende ________________________ The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples From wechslertoo at earthlink.net Thu Feb 22 11:06:48 2007 From: wechslertoo at earthlink.net (Curt Wechsler) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:06:48 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: CALPIRG : Tell Gov. Schwarzenegger to Protect Public Transit Message-ID: <410-22007242219648447@earthlink.net> [Original Message] > From: Steve Blackledge, CALPIRG Legislative Director > To: > Date: 2/22/2007 10:45:20 AM > Subject: CALPIRG : Tell Gov. Schwarzenegger to Protect Public Transit > > Hi Curt, > > Public transit is essential to relieve California's traffic congestion and reduce harmful pollution. Unfortunately, Governor Schwarzenegger's proposed budget would raid more than $1.1 billion from public transit, taking away more than half of state funding. > > Tell Governor Schwarzenegger that cutting more than $1.1 billion from public transit will only result in more cars on the road, more traffic congestion, and more pollution. Then, ask your friends and family to help by forwarding this email to them. > > To take action, click on this link or paste it into your web browser: > http://calpirg.org/CA.asp?id=336&id4=ES > > > Background: > > The Governor's proposed budget cuts more than $1.1 billion from public transit, significantly reducing the funding for agencies to provide reliable service and invest in new transit lines. > > With California's booming population growth, adequate, reliable public transit is critical to prevent an increase in traffic congestion. California is already home to three of the five most congested cities in the nation, and California's population will grow by thirteen million new people by 2030, more than the entire population of Los Angeles. Public transit provides critical relief to traffic congestion. In fact, researchers estimate that if transit passengers were part of the general traffic flow in cities, total congestion would increase 27 percent. > > Public transit also burns less oil, which is good news for public health and the environment. On average, public transit burns one-third of the petroleum per passenger than similar travel by car. That's why the Governor's Climate Action Team is depending on increased use of public transit to meet our state's goals to reduce global warming pollution. > > Unfortunately, powerful companies that profit from road and highway construction and maintenance contracts have a long history of success in ensuring the vast majority of transportation funds go to roads and highways. California spends less than 20% of transportation funds on public transit. The proposed cuts in the Governor's budget will further decrease spending on public transit, even as road and highway spending dramatically increases. > > CALPIRG is teaming up with environmental groups, transit riders and workers, and local officials to convince the Legislature that public transit funding must be a priority for the state in order to reduce traffic congestion, cut pollution, and improve our quality of life. After we protect funding in this year's budget, CALPIRG will be working for an increase in reliable funding for public transit in future years, so that public transit across the state has the ability to add new lines and maintain the quality service that it needs to attract new riders. > > Tell Governor Schwarzenegger that cutting more than $1.1 billion from public transit will only result in more cars on the road, more traffic congestion, and more pollution. Then, ask your friends and family to help by forwarding this email to them. > > To take action, click on this link or paste it into your web browser: > http://calpirg.org/CA.asp?id=336&id4=ES > > Sincerely, > > Steve Blackledge > CALPIRG Legislative Director > SteveB at calpirg.org > http://www.calpirg.org > > P.S. Thanks again for your support. Please feel free to share this e-mail with your family and friends. > > ---------- From wrolley at charter.net Thu Feb 22 21:31:52 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:31:52 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] IRV and San Jose Elections & other openings Message-ID: <45DE7C48.3040109@charter.net> The City of San Jose currently has 2 vacancies on the Elections Commission. You can read the notice here (pdf file) The date for applying has been extended to March 2. Is this a sign that they are not finding enough applicants? This would be a great opportunity for a Green to step forward and to start to implement IRV in San Jose. These are just 2 of 17 openings on various city commissions in San Jose.. as you can read on their web site . The City of Sunnyvale has a list of openings on 9 commission for which they have posted an announcement . I have started to focus on influencing planning commissions. Sunnyvale had openings on the planning commission and a special Board of Building Code Appeals. The City of Morgan Hill will have openings for 4 members on the planning commission in June, 2007. I am actively searching for someone to take part here. I have heard that all 4 members will attempt to retain their position, but it is always open. I will continue with these notices if anyone thinks they are valuable. -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 09:51:06 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:51:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Still room for this weekend's Strategic Retreat Message-ID: <189288.93780.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> David and all, Here's the registration (and it looks like there's enough room) http://register.cagreens.org/register.cgi Here is the weekend?s schedule of events: http://www.cagreens.org/cc/strategy/retreat/ The location for the Strategic Retreat will be at Valley of the Moon Camp in Glen Ellen, Sonoma County http://www.uccr.org/vom.htm, with directions to the camp here http://www.uccr.org/driving_vom.htm Greening America one impeachment at a time! Drew In a message dated 2/10/07 11:55:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, mfeinstein at feinstein.org writes: Dear fellow Green Party of California member This is to announce registration for the Greening California Strategic Retreat, February 23-25 (Friday-Sunday) in Glen Ellen, Sonoma County: The retreat is open to all Green Party of California members, with a particular focus on - members of GPCA statewide Standing Committees and Working Groups and others active on the state level - members of GPCA County Councils and others active on the county level - former (and future) GPCA candidates, campaign managers and campaign workers - former and present Greens holding elected office Saturday's daytime focus will be on GPCA electoral strategy for 2007-2008. Our state party?s Campaigns & Candidates Working Group will be coordinating the sessions. Saturday evening will feature former Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, introduced by Aimee Allison, former Green candidate for Oakland City Council. Brent McMillan, Green Party of the United States Political Director, will precede them with an overview of Green Party national planning for 2008. On Sunday, the focus will be on various GPCA internal party issues that would benefit from free flowing discussions, before they are brought forward to decision-making at our state business meetings (General Assemblies.) These sessions will be coordinated by GPCA members involved with each issue at hand, with the overall day coordinated by our state party?s Strategy Committee. Saturday will also feature a gathering of Campus Greens from across California. Sunday will feature Green officeholders (present and past) establishing a California Green Officeholders Network. The location for the Strategic Retreat will be at Valley of the Moon Camp in Glen Ellen, Sonoma County http://www.uccr.org/vom.htm, with directions to the camp here http://www.uccr.org/driving_vom.htm The reason for choosing such a venue, is so that party members can benefit from the informal contact, networking and building opportunities that staying in the same place together can provide. In order to make this possible, inexpensive lodging on site ($18.50) will be available - and is encouraged - for both Friday and Saturday evenings. Space is limited to 90 people sleeping on site and 115 attending day-time sessions. Parking is limited, so car-pooling is strongly encouraged. All Retreat Attendees must register in advance and pay a day fee of $19/person/day for Saturday and Sunday. There will be no charge for Friday, day or night. The Saturday evening program is open only to attendees of the daytime program. Lodging is in dormitory style rooms of four to 16 people. Attendees must bring their own bring linens, pillows, sleeping bags. Meals are $7 breakfast, $9.25 lunch and $10.50 dinner (includes tip and 7.75% Sonoma County sales tax.) Saturday evening will feature complimentary local wine. All registration must occur on-line prior to the retreat. There will be no on-site registration, and given the limited space, the retreat is likely to fill up quickly. Here is the registration form: http://register.cagreens.org/register.cgi Here is the weekend?s schedule of events: http://www.cagreens.org/cc/strategy/retreat/ We look forward to seeing you in Sonoma. Sincerely, Warner Bloomberg, Campaigns & Candidates Working Group Mike Feinstein, Strategy Committee ________________________________________ ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 10:17:33 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:17:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Party County Council Meeting this Sunday Feb 25th 3-6:30p @ Jim Doyle's house Message-ID: <22257.63510.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> This Sunday, Feb 25th, from 3:30 to 6 pm at Jim Doyle's house there will be a Green Party of Santa Clara County, County Council Meeting which all are free to join and observe. Here's Jim Doyle's address: For any who don't know, the County Council is the Green Party equivalent of the 'Central Committee' and the County County (CC) is legally responsible for carrying on the business of the Party in this county. Current members are Jim Doyle, Gerry Gras and myself, Drew Johnson. We are specifically looking to bring the CC up to its full 7 member strength as rapidly as is managable and are looking for input and nominations especially for females and people of color as right now we have only us 3 white males. :-) These items are not necessarily in the final order we'll tackle them in. If you have additional items or proposals for consideration please send them to the sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org e-mail list ASAP. Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew Here's what we've got so far: + Bylaws Review http://cagreens.org/sclara/bylaws.shtml + Bringing the CC up to full strength. Merriam Kathaleen is ready and qualified. Talking about other female CC nominee possibilities (I'll send a separate note about this). Also I propose adding Tim Alvarado - with the definite intention of connection to the Latino community. Setting up 5 Locals: + North Valley: PA, MV, LA, LAH, + East Valley: Milpitas and SJ from East of 87 and So. to Bernal + West Valley: W. SJ, Cupertino, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara + Mid Valley: Campbell, Los Gatos, Monte Sereno, Saratoga, + South Valley: So. of Bernal, So. SJ, Morgan Hill, San Martin and Gilroy Event for next month: Impeachment talk w/ Elizabeth De La Vega? Getting our newly created committees operating. + Events planning. + Health Care. Note: Health Care can include Veteran's affairs. Drew to report on meeting w/ McNerney. + Strategic Planning. + Thinking ahead about candidates and campaigns. + Running at least one candidate each against Honda, Lofgren & Eshoo. + Nonpartisan races + The Los Gatos logging controversy and do we have a role to play? + Report on how (mostly Green Party led) Silicon Valley Impeachment Committee is going great: 60 people at the Peter Phillips event!!! ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 10:35:17 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:35:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Party County Council Meeting this Sunday Feb 25th 3-6:30p @ Jim Doyle's house Message-ID: <649720.62124.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> This Sunday, Feb 25th, from 3:30 to 6 pm at Jim Doyle's house there will be a Green Party of Santa Clara County, County Council Meeting which all are free to join and observe. Here's Jim Doyle's address: 1668 Nora Way, San Jose CA For any who don't know, the County Council is the Green Party equivalent of the 'Central Committee' and the County County (CC) is legally responsible for carrying on the business of the Party in this county. Current members are Jim Doyle, Gerry Gras and myself, Drew Johnson. We are specifically looking to bring the CC up to its full 7 member strength as rapidly as is managable and are looking for input and nominations especially for females and people of color as right now we have only us 3 white males. :-) These items are not necessarily in the final order we'll tackle them in. If you have additional items or proposals for consideration please send them to the sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org e-mail list ASAP. Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew Here's what we've got so far: + Bylaws Review http://cagreens.org/sclara/bylaws.shtml + Bringing the CC up to full strength. Merriam Kathaleen is ready and qualified. Talking about other female CC nominee possibilities (I'll send a separate note about this). Also I propose adding Tim Alvarado - with the definite intention of connection to the Latino community. Setting up 5 Locals: + North Valley: PA, MV, LA, LAH, + East Valley: Milpitas and SJ from East of 87 and So. to Bernal + West Valley: W. SJ, Cupertino, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara + Mid Valley: Campbell, Los Gatos, Monte Sereno, Saratoga, + South Valley: So. of Bernal, So. SJ, Morgan Hill, San Martin and Gilroy Event for next month: Impeachment talk w/ Elizabeth De La Vega? Getting our newly created committees operating. + Events planning. + Health Care. Note: Health Care can include Veteran's affairs. Drew to report on meeting w/ McNerney. + Strategic Planning. + Thinking ahead about candidates and campaigns. + Running at least one candidate each against Honda, Lofgren & Eshoo. + Nonpartisan races + The Los Gatos logging controversy and do we have a role to play? + Report on how (mostly Green Party led) Silicon Valley Impeachment Committee is going great: 60 people at the Peter Phillips event!!! ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From jamboi at yahoo.com Fri Feb 23 11:03:59 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:03:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Potential County Council Nominees (was Re: Green Party County Council Meeting this Sunday Feb 25th 3-6:30p @ Jim Doyle's house) In-Reply-To: <649720.62124.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <681265.74486.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> We have 4 County Council immediate vacancys we need to fill ASAP. We can (and intend to) go well beyond the minimum 7 number with individuals that will specifically aid us in reach out to the various ethnic, sexual orientation and that make up our Valley, but for right now we need to at least fill up 4 more positions with at least 3 females and preferably some of the four being people of color. We're also specifically attempting to find and activate new people so that we don't just end up with the same old 'usual suspects' running the party all the time. County Council potential nominees who we've previously talked about or have actually approached: The Council asked that people interested in being considered try to make it to the (hugely successfull) Peter Phillips talk we co-sponsored with the (mostly Green Led) Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. Unfortunately only Merriam was able to make it. Again we are specifically looking to balance the council by gender and ethnicity to represent the Valley (as our bylaws require), so since we currently have 3 white males (Jim Doyle, Gerry Gras, and Drew Johnson) we're really focusing on females and people of color for now. + Carol Brouillet: (female, Anglo, PA) Green congressional candidate v Eshoo in 06. I haven't had a chance to specifically ask her if she's interested. She's so busy that I'm kinda doubting it, but hey what list of potential nominees would be complete without Carol's name? + Merriam Kathaleen: (female, Irish-American, SJ) Came to Feb General Meeting. Very active in Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. So Bay Mobilization and a real go-getter and fantastic organizer! + Evonne (spelling? female Chinese-American, SJ or Milpitas) Came to Jan General Meeting and gave some great suggestions for reaching the 'minority' communities. Jim D. has last name and contact info. + Pat (female Phillipino-American, MV)Organic Farmer. Came to one of our impeachment vigils and is a friend of Tian. Tian knows her last name and can get her contact info). + Gabi (female Anglo, SJ?) works in Mountainview Bicycle shop called "Bicycle Springs"). Young, vibrant and energetic! Previously involved in rad politics in college (which she recently graduated from). I can track down her last name and contact info. + Brenda Pierce. (female, Anglo, PA) Registered Green for many years. Very active in Nonviolent Communication (NVC) community. + Yvonne Shevnin (female, Irish/French-American, SC). Business woman, entrepreneur. Active in Fair Elections and clean money for elections movement. Great organizer! + Your suggestions Here! Please send them to the sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew --- JamBoi wrote: > This Sunday, Feb 25th, from 3:30 to 6 pm at Jim Doyle's house there > will be a Green Party of Santa Clara County, County Council Meeting > which all are free to join and observe. Here's Jim Doyle's address: > 1668 Nora Way, San Jose CA > > For any who don't know, the County Council is the Green Party > equivalent of the 'Central Committee' and the County County (CC) is > legally responsible for carrying on the business of the Party in this > county. Current members are Jim Doyle, Gerry Gras and myself, Drew > Johnson. We are specifically looking to bring the CC up to its full > 7 > member strength as rapidly as is managable and are looking for input > and nominations especially for females and people of color as right > now > we have only us 3 white males. :-) > > These items are not necessarily in the final order we'll tackle them > in. If you have additional items or proposals for consideration > please > send them to the sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org e-mail list ASAP. > > Organize, Energize, Coalize! > > Drew > > Here's what we've got so far: > > + Bylaws Review > http://cagreens.org/sclara/bylaws.shtml > > + Bringing the CC up to full strength. Merriam Kathaleen is ready > and > qualified. > > Talking about other female CC nominee possibilities (I'll send a > separate note about this). Also I propose adding Tim Alvarado - with > the definite intention of connection to the Latino community. > > Setting up 5 Locals: > + North Valley: PA, MV, LA, LAH, > + East Valley: Milpitas and SJ from East of 87 and So. to Bernal > + West Valley: W. SJ, Cupertino, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara > + Mid Valley: Campbell, Los Gatos, Monte Sereno, Saratoga, > + South Valley: So. of Bernal, So. SJ, Morgan Hill, San Martin and > Gilroy > > Event for next month: Impeachment talk w/ Elizabeth De La Vega? > > Getting our newly created committees operating. > + Events planning. > + Health Care. > Note: Health Care can include Veteran's affairs. Drew to > report on meeting w/ > McNerney. > + Strategic Planning. > > + Thinking ahead about candidates and campaigns. > + Running at least one candidate each against Honda, Lofgren & > Eshoo. > + Nonpartisan races > > + The Los Gatos logging controversy and do we have a role to play? > > + Report on how (mostly Green Party led) Silicon Valley Impeachment > Committee is going great: 60 people at the Peter Phillips event!!! > > ___________________ > > JamBoi > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! 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Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com From fredd at freeshell.org Sun Feb 25 19:00:55 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:00:55 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] George McGovern Message-ID: <45E24D67.50207@freeshell.org> Just in case you didn't know about it, former U.S. Senator from South Dakota and 1972 Democratic Candidate for President, George McGovern, will speak at the First Presbyterian Church, 1140 Cowper Street, Palo Alto, Wednesday, February 28, starting at 7:30 p.m. It is being presented by the Peninsula Peace and Justice Center. The sliding scale admission will be $12 - $25. No one will be turned away for lack of funds. Wheel chairs accessible. McGovern will give a commentary on his and William R. Polk's recently published book, "Out of Iraq: A Practical Plan for Withdrawal Now." Purchased books will be signed by Sen. McGovern. FYI, Fred D. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 26 08:55:32 2007 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:55:32 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] call for agenda items Message-ID: <45E31104.6070106@sbcglobal.net> This is a call for agenda items for this Thursday's general meeting. You can respond via the list or send them to me at my email address. Jim Doyle From alexcathy at aol.com Mon Feb 26 09:54:04 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:54:04 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Why I Joined the Green Party on California Greening Message-ID: <8C927E63D4C5081-16A4-1DA3@mblk-d20.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, Okay. I've done it. This is something I've want to do for a long time. I posted a long rant on the Blog "California Greening" titled "Why I joined the Green Party." I confess. It is not one of my better writings. It's kind of a rant based on three separate pieces I've written before, including something that I published back in 2000 about why I supported Ralph Nader. It's a 2,000-word rant and even that leaves out a lot of stuff. For example, I didn't write anything about the horror show I trying to be a "good Democrat" in New York. But I am sort of baring my soul here, trying to explain why I've passed a point where there's no going back. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Posted on http://cagreening.blogspot.com Why I Joined the Green Party by Alex Walker Los Angeles, California -- How can a fifty-something man summarize a lifetime of political education in less than many thousands of words? In earlier drafts of this post I went on for about seven thousand words and even that was not enough. My word processor says this essay is exactly 2,137 words long. No editor of a journal would accept this for publication but one nice thing about having your own blog is setting up the rules. And so, 2,137 words it shall be. Between the two of us, my dear wife, Cathy Deppe, and I have lived and worked in Alabama, California, Illinois, New York, Massachusetts, Virginia, and the District of Columbia. Some of these places were run by ?conservative.? Some by ?liberals.? They all have problems, but ?liberal? places are consistently better (it?s not for nothing that ?conservative? Condolezza Rice from ?conservative? Alabama settled in ?liberal? California). Cathy and I have both been involved in the civil rights movement, the peace movement, the women?s movement, the labor movement, and the environmental movement. Some politicians are very good at making speeches, but God (and the devil) is in the details. High-minded speeches and deliberately vague legislation aside, on issue after issue, that Republicans and Democrats are indeed the ?One Corporate Party with Two Names.? . . . Everything the Republican conservative clique says about African-Americans is based on prejudice and stereotypes. And everything they?ve recently done brings back bad memories of why I originally came to detest their "conservatism." Today, so-called conservative "chicken hawks" say "we" have to send "our" sons and daughters (but not their privileged sons and daughters) and spend $3,000 a second (but not their tax dollars) in Iraq even while those same demagogues rant and foam about being taxed "to support those people" at home. On immigration, the rhetoric of California college-educated, pseudo-sophisticated "conservatives" about "illegal aliens" is as ugly and crude as anything I heard by southern segregationist "rednecks" in old Virginny. They piously preach little sermons about a crusade for "freedom" in the Middle East, but under stress, they?ll launch into a tirade on Arab "sand n*****s" and "ragheads." Indeed, the new Washington consensus is those bad brown Iraqis are the ones who have failed The Great White Empire. Hence, my dilemma. I have a hundred grievances against the Democrats, but for a lot of self-respecting people of color like me, supporting Republicans is simply not an option. Telling me we don?t need third parties because I can "choose" between Republicans and Democrats is telling me I have no choice at all. And telling me that if I want "education reform" or "campaign reform" or "environmental reform" then I have to "join Arnold" and those sicko Republicans is telling me that you don't really want reform at all and all your bitchin' about "reform" is just another way of saying "Why should I be taxed to support those people?" * * * I have traveled a long road since I grew up in a 100% segregated community in Hampton, Virginia. We call ourselves African-American, but my people are not Africans. We really are not even if it is "politically incorrect" to say so. For better or for worse (and a lot of times it's for the worse), my people are as American as apple pie. When I left the East Coast in 1998 I drove across this vast nation all the way to San Francisco. I drove across Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, and California. I took plenty of time to observe what was going on, reading local papers, and talking to all kinds of folks. I am deeply troubled that America -- the country my ancestors built and fought for -- has too much inequality, ugliness, pollution, and violence. All my life I have been told that African-Americans like me should stop thinking so much about racism. We are told over and over to forget about slavery; forget about segregation; forget those who died in my lifetime just to secure the right to vote. Pompous hypocrites who hated Martin Luther King and everything he stood for self-righteously throw his noble words in our faces: ?I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.? Very well. I have judged Republicans and Democrats by the content of their character. I reject them both. (for the full rambling text goto http://cagreening.blogspot.com) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All but about 10 comments were extremely hostile and many quite vulgar (along the lines of "F**K YOU, GREENIE-WEENY"). One guy posted a picture of kid with a snotty nose. The Daily Kos has new rules about posting pictures, but I guess they don't apply to Stalinist Democrats. Just gives us fresh insights into exactly why we are in this mess. Think about it. These bloggers supposedly represent the Bush-hating avant garde among Democrats. These are people who are passionately antiwar and who also claim to be passionately concerned about green issues like global warming. And yet... almost all of them have this really irrational hostility, bordering on hatred for Greens, which by the way, is very similar to the irrational hostility, bordering on hatred for peace activists, civil rights activists, feminists, and environmentalists by Democratic Party hacks generally. I know I've seen diaries by rightwing "trolls" on the Daily Kos that does generate such a firestorm. Frankly, I do not like those people and I do not WANT to be in the same party with them. No going back. Alex Walker ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egroups at duendevision.com Mon Feb 26 11:40:19 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:40:19 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Why I Joined the Green Party on California Greening In-Reply-To: <8C927F0CEE15979-D18-273F@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C927E63D4C5081-16A4-1DA3@mblk-d20.sysops.aol.com> <8C927F0CEE15979-D18-273F@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF1470D-5F1C-4540-BA07-918EC8EFC8C1@duendevision.com> Alex I didn't see al the comments you spoke of.. just one from a hater ...so that' 100% hate mail :-) .. well with mine only 50% hate mail Peace Duende On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:09 AM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Wes might especially get a kick out of this. > > I do believe there is a flaw in human nature. People are more > passionate about what they are AGAINST than about what they are FOR. > > I posted a "Diary" on the Daily Kos with a link to my California > Greening article. I have posted a number of small "diaries" up > there in recent months. I have never gotten more than 15 comments > before it scrolled off the front page. > > Today, my diary has been up there for about a hour and I've had 68 > comments. Within seconds my "Diary" was reclassified as a "Troll > Diary." All but about 10 comments were extremely hostile and many > quite vulgar (along the lines of "F**K YOU, GREENIE-WEENY"). One > guy posted a picture of kid with a snotty nose. The Daily Kos has > new rules about posting pictures, but I guess they don't apply to > Stalinist Democrats. > > Just gives us fresh insights into exactly why we are in this mess. > Think about it. These bloggers supposedly represent the Bush- > hating avant garde among Democrats. These are people who are > passionately antiwar and who also claim to be passionately > concerned about green issues like global warming. And yet... > almost all of them have this really irrational hostility, bordering > on hatred for Greens, which by the way, is very similar to the > irrational hostility, bordering on hatred for peace activists, > civil rights activists, feminists, and environmentalists by > Democratic Party hacks generally. I know I've seen diaries by > rightwing "trolls" on the Daily Kos that does generate such a > firestorm. > > Frankly, I do not like those people and I do not WANT to be in the > same party with them. No going back. > > > Alex Walker > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ________________________ The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcathy at aol.com Mon Feb 26 11:56:09 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Why I Joined the Green Party on California Greening In-Reply-To: <8CF1470D-5F1C-4540-BA07-918EC8EFC8C1@duendevision.com> References: <8C927E63D4C5081-16A4-1DA3@mblk-d20.sysops.aol.com> <8C927F0CEE15979-D18-273F@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> <8CF1470D-5F1C-4540-BA07-918EC8EFC8C1@duendevision.com> Message-ID: <8C927F74B7AEF48-9E8-27F1@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> A clarification from my last post. I am up to 150 comments, almost all negative, from my diary posted to the Daily Kos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/26/13341/6397 The Daily Kos is, of course, a partisan Democratic web site (which they stop reminding you -- except when they are saying something "nice" about "moderate" Republicans or so-called "libertarian" Republicans. The amazing thing is not that they disagree and disagree strongly with me. The amazing thing is how crude and hateful they are. I browse what's post on the Daily Kos almost every day and, for the life of me, I really cannot figure just what the hell these guys are FOR, but only what they are AGAINST. As Peter Camejo has said a couple of times, if the Democrats do regain the White House in 2008, given everything that going on around the world, not only in the Middle East, but in Latin America, Africa, and Asia -- that will be the day we REALLY need a Green Party. Alex Walker ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From egroups at duendevision.com Mon Feb 26 12:08:58 2007 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:08:58 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Why I Joined the Green Party on California Greening In-Reply-To: <8C927F74B7AEF48-9E8-27F1@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C927E63D4C5081-16A4-1DA3@mblk-d20.sysops.aol.com> <8C927F0CEE15979-D18-273F@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> <8CF1470D-5F1C-4540-BA07-918EC8EFC8C1@duendevision.com> <8C927F74B7AEF48-9E8-27F1@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As far as the type of posts on that site I wouldn't close my eyes to the possibility of Cointelpro types of actions either...but then again you should have heard the explicatives (some wrapped in political correctness) when supporting Nader. Considering the actions of the Dems during 9-11 and post 9-11 I believe all who said there's no difference between the two parties are totally exonerated. Some of the Greens against Nader were the worse. Where's those castigating and castrating new age prince and princesses now? :-) Paz Duende On Feb 26, 2007, at 11:56 AM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > A clarification from my last post. > > I am up to 150 comments, almost all negative, from my diary posted > to the Daily Kos > > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/26/13341/6397 > > The Daily Kos is, of course, a partisan Democratic web site (which > they stop reminding you -- except when they are saying something > "nice" about "moderate" Republicans or so-called "libertarian" > Republicans. The amazing thing is not that they disagree and > disagree strongly with me. The amazing thing is how crude and > hateful they are. I browse what's post on the Daily Kos almost > every day and, for the life of me, I really cannot figure just what > the hell these guys are FOR, but only what they are AGAINST. > > As Peter Camejo has said a couple of times, if the Democrats do > regain the White House in 2008, given everything that going on > around the world, not only in the Middle East, but in Latin > America, Africa, and Asia -- that will be the day we REALLY need a > Green Party. > > > Alex Walker > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and > security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ________________________ The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wrolley at charter.net Mon Feb 26 12:09:50 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:09:50 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Why I Joined the Green Party on California Greening In-Reply-To: <8C927F0CEE15979-D18-273F@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C927E63D4C5081-16A4-1DA3@mblk-d20.sysops.aol.com> <8C927F0CEE15979-D18-273F@mblk-d21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <45E33E8E.4070600@charter.net> alexcathy at aol.com wrote: Well, I did 2 things. First, I Recommended Alex's Diary at dailyKos. Then, I added my own comment to the effect that they need to choose their enemies carefully. > Dear Friends, > > Wes might especially get a kick out of this. > > I do believe there is a flaw in human nature. People are more > passionate about what they are AGAINST than about what they are FOR. > > I posted a "Diary" on the Daily Kos with a link to my California > Greening article. I have posted a number of small "diaries" up there > in recent months. I have never gotten more than 15 comments before it > scrolled off the front page. > > Today, my diary has been up there for about a hour and I've had 68 > comments. Within seconds my "Diary" was reclassified as a "Troll > Diary." All but about 10 comments were extremely hostile and many > quite vulgar (along the lines of "F**K YOU, GREENIE-WEENY"). One guy > posted a picture of kid with a snotty nose. The Daily Kos has new > rules about posting pictures, but I guess they don't apply to > Stalinist Democrats. > > Just gives us fresh insights into exactly why we are in this mess. > Think about it. These bloggers supposedly represent the Bush-hating > avant garde among Democrats. These are people who are passionately > antiwar and who also claim to be passionately concerned about green > issues like global warming. And yet... almost all of them have this > really irrational hostility, bordering on hatred for Greens, which by > the way, is very similar to the irrational hostility, bordering on > hatred for peace activists, civil rights activists, feminists, and > environmentalists by Democratic Party hacks generally. I know I've > seen diaries by rightwing "trolls" on the Daily Kos that does generate > such a firestorm. > > Frankly, I do not like those people and I do not WANT to be in the > same party with them. No going back. > > > Alex Walker > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Check out the new AOL* > . > Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access > to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail > and more. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Feb 26 14:35:05 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:35:05 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [ppjc] McGovern Event CANCELED] Message-ID: <45E36099.8070605@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ppjc] McGovern Event CANCELED Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:03:40 -0800 (PST) From: Peninsula Peace and Justice Center Peninsula Peace and Justice Center http://www.peaceandjustice.org Peace and Justice Calendar CANCELED - CANCELED - CANCELED Sen. George McGovern: Out of Iraq Wednesday, February 28 2007 @ 07:30 PM PST CANCELED - CANCELED - CANCELED We have just learned this morning that Sen. McGovern has canceled his upcoming travel plans due to the death last month of his wife of 65 years, Eleanor. Sen. McGovern indicated his willingness to reschedule his appearance. We hope to be able to announce a date soon. We would appreciate everyone's assistance in spreading the word about this cancellation, since it comes on such short notice. Please let your friends know. Thank you. Our postal address is 457 Kingsley Ave Palo Alto, California 94301 United States From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Feb 26 15:54:27 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:54:27 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader: Pariah or Prophet? Message-ID: <45E37333.4080709@earthlink.net> Chris Hedges is critical of Democrats who were critical of Nader. And he is critical of the Gore / Kerry campaigns. http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0226-28.htm Gerry From alexcathy at aol.com Mon Feb 26 19:42:33 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:42:33 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader: Pariah or Prophet? In-Reply-To: <45E37333.4080709@earthlink.net> References: <45E37333.4080709@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8C92838734D17B9-1E28-4CB3@mblk-d14.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, Everybody should read this. This is a GREAT article by Chris Hedges. He says, point blank, in the 2nd paragraph that if the Democrats nominate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008, he will campaign for a third party candidate. As far as I know, Hedges is the first person with at his level of mainstream prestige (he was, after all, a respected correpsondent for the New York Times), who has gone on record with that. I know a lot of good progressive Democrats are keeping their powder dry for John Edwards or Dennis Kucinich or Barack Obama (as a black man, I am particularly sensitive to the Obama boom), but Lord have mercy, if the Democrats another bullshit "moderate" in 2008 (and I'd bet real money they will), that'll be the day. B.T.W. Please don't patronize me with all this talk about Cynthia McKinney and Elaine Brown. I love Cynthia McKinney but she has a thin skin and you need a very tough skin to run for high office as a Green. Elaine Brown has (as they like to say), "high negatives." She was one of the last leaders of the Black Panther Party and there have been serious allegations she ordered "hits" after the Panthers more-or-less degenerated into a street gang. in 1969 there was an actual shoot-out between the Black Panthers and Ron Karenga's "US" at UCLA. Nevermind that both groups had been infiltrated by provocateurs and rats from the F.B.I. and the L.A.P.D. If Elaine Brown is at the top of the Green ticket I am sure the Los Angeles Times and the so-called alternative L.A. Weekly will have a field-day spinning that story. That's part of the reason why I love Ralph Nader, Peter Camejo, and David Cobb. They are cool under pressure and they ain't got no weird shit hidden in the closet for the MSM to throw at them (They tried to "red bait" Peter Camejo but that's kind of ridiculous when you're talking about a successful investment banker!). If I had my way either Camejo, Medea Benjamin, or Matt Gonzalez or all three by now would be ELECTED to partisan offices instead of running around trying to save the whole world. I don't want to start obsessing over the next bullshit presidential election already. Leave that to the Demos and their $100 million war chests. The crisis in American politics did not begin with Bush-Gore-Nader and will not end with Bush. As for California, we have not yet even seen the end of the beginning! Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and his enablers, i.e. the clueless California Democrats, have done nothing these last three years except delay the Day of Reckoning. Peter Camejo has literally been the proverbial voice crying in the wilderness about the "structural deficits" built right into our system. If the Democrats do regain the White House in 2008, then the crunch will come around 2010. Generally, the president's party catches hell in the mid-term election and 2010 will also be the next go-round in California. By that time either a miracle will have happened and the Democrats will have done much better than I expected, and we can retire on social security, or it will be crystal clear Our Sacred Two-Party is dysfunctional. We need to prepared for that day and be prepared to REPLACE the Democrats in California. Alex Walker -----Original Message----- From: gerrygras at earthlink.net To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 3:54 PM Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader: Pariah or Prophet? Chris Hedges is critical of Democrats who were critical of Nader. And he is critical of the Gore / Kerry campaigns. http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0226-28.htm Gerry ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 27 15:29:04 2007 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] agenda items for Thursday Message-ID: <45E4BEC0.6080901@sbcglobal.net> This is a call for agenda items for this Thursday's general meeting. You can respond via the list or send them to me at my email address. Jim Doyle Thus far Warner has requested time to report on the weekend's strategy retreat. From WB4D23 at aol.com Tue Feb 27 16:29:23 2007 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:29:23 EST Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] IRV and San Jose Elections & other openings Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/07 9:32:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, wrolley at charter.net writes: This would be a great opportunity for a Green to step forward and to start to implement IRV in San Jose. If you read the description of the commission, it is about reviewing complaints about city council candidate behavior, and doesn't -- even potentially -- have anything to do with IRV. Warner


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Broadcom is at the corner of Zanker Road and Montague. UNITE (formerly the Union of Needletrades, Industrial and Textile Employees) and HERE (Hotel Employees and Restaurant Employees International Union) merged on July 8, 2004, forming UNITE HERE. The union represents more than 450,000 active members and more than 400,000 retirees throughout North America. UNITE HERE boasts a diverse membership, comprised largely of immigrants and including high percentages of African-American, Latino, and Asian-American workers. The majority of UNITE HERE members are women. From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 27 21:32:32 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:32:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] OAXACA EVENT and FILM in SJ this SATURDAY at 7pm Message-ID: <752792.78901.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Adam Welch" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:04:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sfj_deanza] *OAXACA EVENT and FILM in SJ this SATURDAY at 7pm* Hey folks, hope you can come out. you can get flyers to post up on your myspace using these links English: Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting Spanish: Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting please help us spread the word about these special events! The People's Resistance in Oaxaca: Short Films & Reportbacks >From March 1st though 6th, Shannon Young and Vladimir Flores, Oaxaca correspondents for Free Speech Radio News and Mal de Ojo TV, will be in Watsonville, Santa Cruz, San Jose and San Francisco to present a series of short films produced by Mal de Ojo TV. Indybay reporters Danielsan and Ariel will show photos and reportback on their recent experiences in Oaxaca City. In 2006, in the southern state of Oaxaca, a broad-based citizens? movement to unseat an unpopular and corrupt governor turned into a grassroots uprising for direct democracy. For months, residents of Oaxaca City maintained more than 1,000 street barricades, sprawling protest encampments, occupations of government uildings and takeovers of broadcast media outlets. WATSONVILLE, SANTA CRUZ, SAN JOSE and SAN FRANCISCO: Thursday, March 1st at 8:00pm, Brown Berets Office, 406 Main St., Watsonville Friday, March 2nd at 7:30pm, Vet's Hall, 846 Front St., Santa Cruz Saturday, March 3rd at 7:00pm, Pages in Color, 888 E. Santa Clara Ave., San Jose Monday and Tuesday, March 5th and 6th at 7:00pm and 9:00pm, Roxie Cinema, 3117 16th St, SF LIST OF FILMS: In the Bicentennial of Juarez - This is What Happened in Oaxaca (8:08): An overview of the popular uprising from June to November of 2006 About the Struggle (8:11): Reflections on the who, what, why, and how of the popular movement in Oaxaca Viguera (5:16): Federal police take revenge on a neighborhood that blocked their entrance into Oaxaca City The Victory of All Saints Day (11:49): Local people win a seven hour street battle against police attempting to clear barricades around the state university In Memoriam (8:55): The Day of the Dead memorial for Indymedia videographer Brad Will in the barrio where he was killed Slideshow with Music (9:04): A photo slideshow from June to November of 2006 set to music by Oaxaca's Jaime Luna $5-$20 Sliding Scale (noone turned away for lack of funds) All proceeds to benefit Mal de Ojo TV and Free Speech Radio News. Mal de Ojo TV is an independent, non-profit, video production initiative, which arose from the social movements of Oaxaca, Mexico. www.maldeojotv. net Free Speech Radio News is the only progressive, nationally-syndicat ed, daily news program on the air. www.fsrn.org FLYERS for Watsonville, Santa Cruz and San Jose: http://indybay. org/uploads/ 2007/02/22/ sjpeliculasoaxac a.jpg (english) http://indybay. org/uploads/ 2007/02/22/ sjpeliculasoaxac a-es.jpg (spanish) "History cannot provide confirmation that something better is inevitable; but it can uncover evidence that it is conceivable. " ---Howard Zinn Students For Justice!! De Anza College Since 1994 in the South Bay and beyond Education * Direct Action * Liberation Contact us: sfj_deanza at yahoo.com ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. From jamboi at yahoo.com Tue Feb 27 21:55:49 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:55:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] IRV and San Jose Elections & other openings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <290168.17418.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Just because the folks that have been working on the commission have lacked the vision needed to see the full scope of their work (which definitely includes IRV!!!) doesn't stop us from helping them get a clue. :-) Spreading Democracy to America! Drew --- WB4D23 at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/22/07 9:32:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, > wrolley at charter.net writes: > > This would be > a great opportunity for a Green to step forward and to start to > implement IRV in San Jose. > > > > If you read the description of the commission, it is about reviewing > > complaints about city council candidate behavior, and doesn't -- even > potentially -- > have anything to do with IRV. Warner >


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Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 06:22:48 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:22:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Party's Elaine Brown to Seek Green Party Presidential Ticket Message-ID: <763161.32111.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> (JamBoi's note: This article is from the latest GreenLine e-mail bulletin of the GPUS. Unfortunately I don't think its posted on the web any place yet. Eventually it should be located at http://green.gpus.org/ebulletin/. Also to subscribe fill out the form at http://tinyurl.com/29an7l - ) Elaine Brown to Seek Green Party Presidential Ticket Former Black Panther Party leader, noted author, community and prison justice activist Elaine Brown announced this week that she intends to seek the Green Party?s nomination for a presidential bid in 2008. "The 2006 elections signified a mass rejection of Bush?s policies--not a shift to the Democrats. We have arrived at a powerful moment when the majority of the country is seeking a political alternative, toward embracing progressive values and realizing a progressive agenda. I haven?t seen this potential since the 1960s." Brown, who ran as a Green in the 2005 Brunswick, Georgia, mayoral election where Republicans succeeded in illegally removing her name from both the ballot and the voter roll, intends to run on a platform that addresses the interests of poor and working families, in terms of living wages, free healthcare, decent housing and increased funding for public education and higher education; ending the war in Iraq; restoring the environment and bringing about economic parity. Strategically, she intends to target non-voters, specifically women under 30 and African Americans, constituencies she believes are not represented by the nearly identical agendas of the Democrat and Republican parties, stating these crucial constituencies "have the power to build up an alternative party to truly challenge the status quo." "I believe I have the ability to raise consciousness among disaffected and disenfranchised poor and working people, women and blacks, to galvanize them to vote for a real second party. Such a broadening of the Green Party base will allow us to start winning big time, at the state level and nationally, so that we can overturn some of the most egregious policies and laws (like the three strikes crime bill which has so devastated black communities) and introduce progressive legislation. There are a lot of great community organizations working for change, performing Sisyphean tasks that cannot address the fundamental problems. I believe the time is right to use the ballot to make the kinds of changes we know must be made to serve the people we represent." Brown stated she is running as a Green because: "Not only does the Green Party support reparations for slavery, but the party?s ten key values represent the values and interests of poor and working people. Only the Green Party offers clear positions on the needs of the people, in terms of a living wage, decent housing, food, education, and medical care. The Democrats and Republicans offer black and poor people nothing." When asked what she hopes to achieve with her run, Brown said: "I know the party can earn a significant increase in votes and membership, which will increase our viability to take congressional seats, state house seats, and local offices; so that we can really start changing the way government operates." The Green Party will nominate our Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates at our 2008 Convention. Anyone interested in seeking the Green Party nomination should contact Greg Gerritt, on behalf of the Presidential Campaign Support Committee, at (401) 331-0529 or Gerritt at mindspring.net. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front From alexcathy at aol.com Wed Feb 28 07:21:56 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:21:56 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Sites? Message-ID: <8C9296351153400-1D30-9A6@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends, It's not enough that I've spent my whole adult life frustrated by the mainstream media, now I've got to spend my life frustrated by the World Wide Web! Please send me some links for Independent Progressive Web Sites. 90% of the "progressive" web sites are mere mouthpieces for the Democratic Party Establishment and I'm sick of 'em. I confess, it was kind of fun browsing these sites when they were the cutting edge of Bush criticism back in 2002, 2003, and 2004 when any criticism of Our Dear Leader was considered treason. But now, with Democrats back in control of Congress, NO CRITICISM is tolerated of Our Dear Great Democratic Leaders. It's like: DEMOCRATS RAISED THE MINIMUM WAGE! ISN'T THAT GREAT! Please We are almost two years from the November 2008 election and already most of the stuff posted on these sites is Washington inside baseball and gossip about the horse race and the money race between Hillary, Barack, Edwards, et. al. Today, the big "buzz" on the web is the idea of bringing back old Al Gore. Am I the only African-American in the United States who is not THAT excited about Sen. Obama? Don't get me wrong. He's a good guy. I like him. But even if he is elected "The First Black President" it ain't gonna be no revolution! And if he gets it's gonna get really, really ugly. I mean, the rightwing Republican hate machine is already smearing BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and this big "controversy" over David Geffen's anti-Clinton remarks is much ado about nothing, though it does remind us of some things we already knew about how petty and creepy the Clintons are. California is the biggest state in the union, the world's fifth or sixth largest economy. We've got issues on the scale of many independent sovereign nations. Yet, even the West Coast-based "progressives" obsess over Washington gossip. It's ridiculous, but understandable if you're a hyper-partisan Democrat since the Democratic Party in this big "blue" state is totally dysfunctional. Have you noticed all of a sudden it's real trendy to use the word "Green." It's "Green this" and "Green that" but the GREEN PARTY is still verboten. If nothing else, this latest wave of Ralph Nader bashing and how the Greens are the ones "to blame" for Bush just shows how simple-minded they are. This has gone on for six years and, to my knowledge, there has been no effort to purge the many "moderate" Democrats who actually voted for Bush. Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Sites? Alex Walker ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 07:23:13 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:23:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Potential County Council Nominees (was Re: agenda items for Thursday) In-Reply-To: <45E4BEC0.6080901@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <304117.27248.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> I propose we affirm the adding of Merriam Kathaleen and Tim Alvarado to the County Council. We still need to find 2 more females for the minimum 7 and then we'll add additional members from there (see discussion of potential CC members below)... Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: "JamBoi" View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Subject: Potential County Council Nominees (was Re: Green Party County Council Meeting this Sunday Feb 25th 3-6:30p @ Jim Doyle's house) To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, sosfbay-news at cagreens.org CC: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net, gerrygras at earthlink.net, JamBoi at Greens.org We have 4 County Council immediate vacancys we need to fill ASAP. We can (and intend to) go well beyond the minimum 7 number with individuals that will specifically aid us in reach out to the various ethnic, sexual orientation and that make up our Valley, but for right now we need to at least fill up 4 more positions with at least 3 females and preferably some of the four being people of color. We're also specifically attempting to find and activate new people so that we don't just end up with the same old 'usual suspects' running the party all the time. County Council potential nominees who we've previously talked about or have actually approached: The Council asked that people interested in being considered try to make it to the (hugely successfull) Peter Phillips talk we co-sponsored with the (mostly Green Led) Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. Unfortunately only Merriam was able to make it. Again we are specifically looking to balance the council by gender and ethnicity to represent the Valley (as our bylaws require), so since we currently have 3 white males (Jim Doyle, Gerry Gras, and Drew Johnson) we're really focusing on females and people of color for now. + Carol Brouillet: (female, Anglo, PA) Green congressional candidate v Eshoo in 06. I haven't had a chance to specifically ask her if she's interested. She's so busy that I'm kinda doubting it, but hey what list of potential nominees would be complete without Carol's name? + Merriam Kathaleen: (female, Irish-American, SJ) Came to Feb General Meeting. Very active in Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. So Bay Mobilization and a real go-getter and fantastic organizer! + Evonne (spelling? female Chinese-American, SJ or Milpitas) Came to Jan General Meeting and gave some great suggestions for reaching the 'minority' communities. Jim D. has last name and contact info. + Pat (female Phillipino-American, MV)Organic Farmer. Came to one of our impeachment vigils and is a friend of Tian. Tian knows her last name and can get her contact info). + Gabi (female Anglo, SJ?) works in Mountainview Bicycle shop called "Bicycle Springs"). Young, vibrant and energetic! Previously involved in rad politics in college (which she recently graduated from). I can track down her last name and contact info. + Brenda Pierce. (female, Anglo, PA) Registered Green for many years. Very active in Nonviolent Communication (NVC) community. + Yvonne Shevnin (female, Irish/French-American, SC). Business woman, entrepreneur. Active in Fair Elections and clean money for elections movement. Great organizer! + Your suggestions Here! Please send them to the sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew --- JamBoi wrote: Potential County Council Nominees (was Re: Green Party County Council Meeting this Sunday Feb 25th 3-6:30p @ Jim Doyle's house) > This Sunday, Feb 25th, from 3:30 to 6 pm at Jim Doyle's house there > will be a Green Party of Santa Clara County, County Council Meeting > which all are free to join and observe. Here's Jim Doyle's address: > 1668 Nora Way, San Jose CA > > For any who don't know, the County Council is the Green Party > equivalent of the 'Central Committee' and the County County (CC) is > legally responsible for carrying on the business of the Party in this > county. Current members are Jim Doyle, Gerry Gras and myself, Drew > Johnson. We are specifically looking to bring the CC up to its full > 7 member strength as rapidly as is managable and are looking for input > and nominations especially for females and people of color as right > now we have only us 3 white males. :-) > > These items are not necessarily in the final order we'll tackle them > in. If you have additional items or proposals for consideration > please send them to the sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org e-mail list ASAP. > > Organize, Energize, Coalize! > > Drew > > Here's what we've got so far: > > + Bylaws Review > http://cagreens.org/sclara/bylaws.shtml > > + Bringing the CC up to full strength. Merriam Kathaleen is ready > and qualified. > > Talking about other female CC nominee possibilities (I'll send a > separate note about this). Also I propose adding Tim Alvarado - with > the definite intention of connection to the Latino community. Jim Doyle wrote: > This is a call for agenda items for this Thursday's > general meeting. > > You can respond via the list or send them to me at > my email address. > > Jim Doyle > > Thus far Warner has requested time to report on the weekend's > strategy retreat. > This is a call for agenda items for this Thursday's > general meeting. > > You can respond via the list or send them to me at > my email address. > > Jim Doyle > > Thus far Warner has requested time to report on the weekend's > strategy retreat. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 07:35:28 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:35:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reviving our County Locals (was Re: agenda items for Thursday) In-Reply-To: <45E4BEC0.6080901@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <853727.85799.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Another agenda item for Thursday (in addition to filling up the County Council that I previously posted) - reviving our County Locals. Here's the layout for our County Locals we have so far. Note that the West Valley and Mid Valley could be combined for the time being until the membership grows to the point to support individuating them. Also note that in the past there was a discussion of 'giving away' our South Valley Local to San Benito County so as to reap the benefit of geographic solidarity. > Setting up 5 Locals: > + North Valley: PA, MV, LA, LAH, > + East Valley: Milpitas and SJ from East of 87 and So. to Bernal > + West Valley: W. SJ, Cupertino, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara > + Mid Valley: Central SJ, Campbell, Los Gatos, Monte Sereno, Saratoga, > + South Valley: So. of Bernal, So. SJ, Morgan Hill, San Martin and > Gilroy Here's our relevant Bylaws section: http://cagreens.org/sclara/bylaws.shtml ARTICLE 5 COUNTY LOCALS 5.1 Consistent with Green Party values supporting decentralization and personal responsibility, individual members may form locals of the Green Party of Santa Clara County in the various subregions of the county. 5.2 To be duly recognized as an official GPSCC Local, such a group must: a) Be approved as a County Local -- either by the County Council or at a general meeting of the GPSCC -- after submitting a written request signed by at least five (5) Members describing their intent to form a Local and the boundaries of the proposed Local. b) Minutes will be recorded for all official meetings and a copy will be made available to the County Council on request. c) Duly elect a contact person who will facilitate communication between the local and the county organization. d) Have clearly defined geographic boundaries and notify the Council in writing of any subsequent changes of those boundaries. e) Conduct Local activities in accordance with the spirit and intent of the Green Party's 10 Key Values. 5.3 A GPSCC Local shall not take any public position on county-wide or state-wide issues contrary to that taken by the GPSCC or the California Green Party, without receiving consensus at a County general meeting. A Local shall not assert any authority expressly reserved to the GPSCC in these Bylaws or to the California Green Party in the state party's bylaws. Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew --- Jim Doyle wrote: > This is a call for agenda items for this Thursday's > general meeting. > > You can respond via the list or send them to me at > my email address. > > Jim Doyle > > Thus far Warner has requested time to report on the weekend's > strategy retreat. > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 07:44:59 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:44:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Sunnyvale's Boards and Commissions (was Re: IRV and San Jose Elections & other openings) In-Reply-To: <45DE7C48.3040109@charter.net> Message-ID: <555301.84856.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com> Re: Sunnyvale's Boards and Commissions I submitted an application in the last round in November (thankyou Pat Meyer who notified me of the openings) but was not chosen (and the nice part about this is that there was actually competition for all the openings and no one had a shoe in). My app is still on file so I'm automatically in line for consideration for the May openings. http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/City+Council/Boards+and+Commissions/openings.htm SUNNYVALE CALL FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION APPLICATIONS Now Accepting Applications The City of Sunnyvale accepts applications for all boards and commissions on a continuous basis. Current vacancies exist on the following boards and commissions and application deadline is May 11, 2007: Arts Commission Board of Building Code Appeals Board of Library Trustees Child Care Advisory Board - (Community College Affiliation) Heritage Preservation Commission Housing and Human Services Commission Parks and Recreation Commission Personnel Board -(1 Employee Nominated Seat, 1 Council Nominated Seat) Planning Commission An Informational Meeting regarding the application process and duties of serving on a board or commission will be held on April 30, 2007 at City Hall in the West Conference Room at 6 p.m.. Interviews will occur in May/June 2007 For more information and to request an application, please contact the City Clerk?s Office at (408) 730-7595 or by email at jclark at ci.sunnyvale.ca.us, TDD (408) 730-7501. --- Wes Rolley wrote: > The City of San Jose currently has 2 vacancies on the Elections > Commission. You can read the notice here > > > (pdf file) The date for applying has been extended to March 2. Is > this a sign that they are not finding enough applicants? This would > be > a great opportunity for a Green to step forward and to start to > implement IRV in San Jose. > > These are just 2 of 17 openings on various city commissions in San > Jose.. as you can read on their web site > . > > The City of Sunnyvale has a list of openings on 9 commission for > which > they have posted an announcement > . > > I have started to focus on influencing planning commissions. > Sunnyvale > had openings on the planning commission and a special Board of > Building > Code Appeals. > > The City of Morgan Hill will have openings for 4 members on the > planning > commission in June, 2007. I am actively searching for someone to > take > part here. I have heard that all 4 members will attempt to retain > their > position, but it is always open. > > I will continue with these notices if anyone thinks they are > valuable. > > -- > > I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. > Being willing is not enough; > We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci > Wesley C. Rolley > 17211 Quail Court > Morgan Hill, CA 95037 > (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 07:57:19 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:57:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Starting up our Strategy Committee (was re: Th. night Agenda Items) Message-ID: <159007.93301.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com> We are looking for a date and Morgan Hill location (near the MH Train Station) for our first GPSCC Strategy Committee meeting. Strategy Committee that can lay out our course on local issues, candidates and campaigns. (Note: we NEED more female participants! Please help us by suggesting more names) Potential members we've thought of so far: Merriam, Wes, Mike Fischetti, Warner, Cameron, Gerry, Jim D. and Jim S., Drew Jim Stauffer wrote: I think we need to frame the strategy session narrowly, focused on specific topics rather than the usual wide-open brainstorming, which generates great ideas that never come to fruition. We could ask people to submit some basic plan of action and needed resources for any topic they want to suggest. That might keep it down to a more realistic list. ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 08:03:31 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:03:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Starting up our GPSCC Health Care Committee (was re: Agenda Items for Th.) Message-ID: <971048.71941.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Yet another agenda item: Starting up our Health Care Committee (which along with the Strategy and Event Committees we created at our Feb. GPSCC General Meeting). Please speak up and tell us if you're interested in participating!!! Identified potential members: Fred, Mike F., Drew, Jim D. (I seem to recall that someone is a nurse and expressed interest, but I'm blanking on who it is). We've already participated in the SCC Single Payer Health Care Coalition, and the Veteran's Affairs meeting with Congressperson McNerney, and the group that Jim D. is on regarding public hospital facilities in SJ (I'm sorry I forget the name). We need to set up a time and place for the first meeting. Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 08:15:32 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:15:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Starting up our GPSCC Event Committee (was Thursday Agenda Items) Message-ID: <20070228161532.76709.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Please speak up if you would like to join with us to create Green Talks and Green Forum, Green Candidates, Green Rallies, Greens + coalitional events, tabling, etc. events in SCC. Identified Potential Members so far: Julia, Merriam, Mary-Lyle, Fred, Drew FUTURE EVENTS: For this upcoming week I'm working on a Black History event (showing of American Blackout re: the disenfranchisement of black voters in the stolen 2000 and 2004 elections, featuring Cynthia McKinney) at First United Methodist Church of Campbell. More details shortly... For March I have spoken to Elizabeth De LaVega about doing an Impeachment Forum to follow up on our February Peter Phillips and she's interested. I'm following up to find out when she'd be available. For the future we have already discussed doing something regarding stoping Bush's Iraq, Iran, etc. wars, participating in the upcoming Latino marches and doing a Biodiesel Talk by Bill Michael. Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From rob.means at electric-bikes.com Wed Feb 28 10:40:25 2007 From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:40:25 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Message-ID: <000001c75b67$e93b1170$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06> I'm not sure these are progressive, but they are not MSM: http://www.democracynow.org/ http://mediamatters.org/ http://www.salon.com/index.html Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters 408-262-8975 rob.means at electric-bikes.com 1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913 Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- From eameece at california.com Sat Feb 24 18:53:31 2007 From: eameece at california.com (E. Alan Meece) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:53:31 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Potential County Council Nominees (was Re: agenda items for Thursday) References: <304117.27248.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E0FA2B.1CFC@california.com> Good job Drew finding all these people! Eric the Green (Eric Meece) JamBoi wrote: > > I propose we affirm the adding of Merriam Kathaleen and Tim Alvarado to > the County Council. We still need to find 2 more females for the > minimum 7 and then we'll add additional members from there (see > discussion of potential CC members below)... > > Organize, Energize, Coalize! > > Drew > > Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:03:59 -0800 (PST) > From: "JamBoi" View Contact Details Add Mobile > Alert > Subject: Potential County Council Nominees (was Re: Green Party County > Council Meeting this Sunday Feb 25th 3-6:30p @ Jim Doyle's house) > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, sosfbay-news at cagreens.org > CC: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net, gerrygras at earthlink.net, JamBoi at Greens.org > > We have 4 County Council immediate vacancys we need to fill ASAP. We > can (and intend to) go well beyond the minimum 7 number with > individuals that will specifically aid us in reach out to the various > ethnic, sexual orientation and that make up our Valley, but for right > now we need to at least fill up 4 more positions with at least 3 > females and preferably some of the four being people of color. We're > also specifically attempting to find and activate new people so that we > don't just end up with the same old 'usual suspects' running the party > all the time. > > County Council potential nominees who we've previously talked about or > have actually approached: The Council asked that people interested in > being considered try to make it to the (hugely successfull) Peter > Phillips talk we co-sponsored with the (mostly Green Led) Silicon > Valley Impeachment Coalition. Unfortunately only Merriam was able to > make it. > > Again we are specifically looking to balance the council by gender and > ethnicity to represent the Valley (as our bylaws require), so since we > currently have 3 white males (Jim Doyle, Gerry Gras, and Drew Johnson) > we're really focusing on females and people of color for now. > > + Carol Brouillet: (female, Anglo, PA) Green congressional candidate v > Eshoo in 06. I haven't had a chance to specifically ask her if she's > interested. She's so busy that I'm kinda doubting it, but hey what > list of potential nominees would be complete without Carol's name? > > + Merriam Kathaleen: (female, Irish-American, SJ) Came to Feb General > Meeting. Very active in Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. So Bay > Mobilization and a real go-getter and fantastic organizer! > > + Evonne (spelling? female Chinese-American, SJ or Milpitas) Came to > Jan General Meeting and gave some great suggestions for reaching the > 'minority' communities. Jim D. has last name and contact info. > > + Pat (female Phillipino-American, MV)Organic Farmer. Came to one of > our impeachment vigils and is a friend of Tian. Tian knows her last > name and can get her contact info). > > + Gabi (female Anglo, SJ?) works in Mountainview Bicycle shop called > "Bicycle Springs"). Young, vibrant and energetic! Previously involved > in rad politics in college (which she recently graduated from). I can > track down her last name and contact info. > > + Brenda Pierce. (female, Anglo, PA) Registered Green for many years. > Very active in Nonviolent Communication (NVC) community. > > + Yvonne Shevnin (female, Irish/French-American, SC). Business woman, > entrepreneur. Active in Fair Elections and clean money for elections > movement. Great organizer! > > + Your suggestions Here! Please send them to the > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > Organize, Energize, Coalize! > > Drew > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Feb 28 11:22:07 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:22:07 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Sites? References: <8C9296351153400-1D30-9A6@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <45E5D65F.30506@earthlink.net> I don't claim to be an expert on which web sites are progressive versus pseudo progressive web sites. But you might check out these: The Progressive Review http://prorev.com/ (the author/editor has been active in the Green Party a LONG time) Program on Corporations, Law and Democracy http://poclad.org/ ... I guess this one is not progressive, but I like it: Common Dreams http://commondreams.org/ Gerry alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Friends, > > It's not enough that I've spent my whole adult life frustrated by the > mainstream media, now I've got to spend my life frustrated by the World > Wide Web! > > Please send me some links for Independent Progressive Web Sites. 90% of > the "progressive" web sites are mere mouthpieces for the Democratic > Party Establishment and I'm sick of 'em. > > I confess, it was kind of fun browsing these sites when they were the > cutting edge of Bush criticism back in 2002, 2003, and 2004 when any > criticism of Our Dear Leader was considered treason. > > But now, with Democrats back in control of Congress, NO CRITICISM is > tolerated of Our Dear Great Democratic Leaders. It's like: DEMOCRATS > RAISED THE MINIMUM WAGE! ISN'T THAT GREAT! > > Please > > We are almost two years from the November 2008 election and already most > of the stuff posted on these sites is Washington inside baseball and > gossip about the horse race and the money race between Hillary, Barack, > Edwards, et. al. Today, the big "buzz" on the web is the idea of > bringing back old Al Gore. Am I the only African-American in the United > States who is not THAT excited about Sen. Obama? Don't get me wrong. > He's a good guy. I like him. But even if he is elected "The First > Black President" it ain't gonna be no revolution! And if he gets it's > gonna get really, really ugly. I mean, the rightwing Republican hate > machine is already smearing BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and this big > "controversy" over David Geffen's anti-Clinton remarks is much ado about > nothing, though it does remind us of some things we already knew about > how petty and creepy the Clintons are. > > California is the biggest state in the union, the world's fifth or sixth > largest economy. We've got issues on the scale of many independent > sovereign nations. Yet, even the West Coast-based "progressives" obsess > over Washington gossip. It's ridiculous, but understandable if you're a > hyper-partisan Democrat since the Democratic Party in this big "blue" > state is totally dysfunctional. > > Have you noticed all of a sudden it's real trendy to use the word > "Green." It's "Green this" and "Green that" but the GREEN PARTY is > still verboten. > > If nothing else, this latest wave of Ralph Nader bashing and how the > Greens are the ones "to blame" for Bush just shows how simple-minded > they are. This has gone on for six years and, to my knowledge, there > has been no effort to purge the many "moderate" Democrats who actually > voted for Bush. > > Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Sites? > > > Alex Walker > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com > . > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From tnharter at ispwest.com Wed Feb 28 11:57:25 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:57:25 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Sunnyvale's Boards and Commissions (was Re: IRVand San Jose Elections & other openings) References: 555301.84856.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com Message-ID: <45E5DEA5.1050103@ispwest.com> JamBoi wrote: >Re: Sunnyvale's Boards and Commissions > >I submitted an application in the last round in November (thankyou Pat >Meyer who notified me of the openings) but was not chosen (and the nice >part about this is that there was actually competition for all the >openings and no one had a shoe in). My app is still on file so I'm >automatically in line for consideration for the May openings. > >http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/City+Council/Boards+and+Commissions/openings.htm > >SUNNYVALE CALL FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION APPLICATIONS >Now Accepting Applications > >The City of Sunnyvale accepts applications for all boards and >commissions on a continuous basis. > >Current vacancies exist on the following boards and commissions and >application deadline is May 11, 2007: >Arts Commission >Board of Building Code Appeals >Board of Library Trustees >Child Care Advisory Board - (Community College Affiliation) >Heritage Preservation Commission >Housing and Human Services Commission >Parks and Recreation Commission >Personnel Board -(1 Employee Nominated Seat, 1 Council Nominated Seat) >Planning Commission >An Informational Meeting regarding the application process and duties >of serving on a board or commission will be held on April 30, 2007 at >City Hall in the West Conference Room at 6 p.m.. > >Interviews will occur in May/June 2007 > >For more information and to request an application, please contact the >City Clerk?s Office at (408) 730-7595 or by email at >jclark at ci.sunnyvale.ca.us, TDD (408) 730-7501. > > > You can dramatically improve your odds of getting on by attending at least one meeting of each of the commissions you are interested in. Knowing them and being known by them helps a lot. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Friday evening I participated in San Francisco's critical mass. From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 14:43:32 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Sunnyvale's Boards and Commissions (was Re: IRVand San Jose Elections & other openings) In-Reply-To: <45E5DEA5.1050103@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <303428.81414.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Great point Tian! Organize, Energize, Coalize! Drew --- Tian Harter wrote: > You can dramatically improve your odds of getting on by > attending at least one meeting of each of the commissions > you are interested in. Knowing them and being known by > them helps a lot. > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > Friday evening I participated in San Francisco's critical mass. > JamBoi wrote: > > >Re: Sunnyvale's Boards and Commissions > > > >I submitted an application in the last round in November (thankyou > Pat > >Meyer who notified me of the openings) but was not chosen (and the > nice > >part about this is that there was actually competition for all the > >openings and no one had a shoe in). My app is still on file so I'm > >automatically in line for consideration for the May openings. > > > >http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/City+Council/Boards+and+Commissions/openings.htm > > > >SUNNYVALE CALL FOR BOARD AND COMMISSION APPLICATIONS > >Now Accepting Applications > > > >The City of Sunnyvale accepts applications for all boards and > >commissions on a continuous basis. > > > >Current vacancies exist on the following boards and commissions and > >application deadline is May 11, 2007: > >Arts Commission > >Board of Building Code Appeals > >Board of Library Trustees > >Child Care Advisory Board - (Community College Affiliation) > >Heritage Preservation Commission > >Housing and Human Services Commission > >Parks and Recreation Commission > >Personnel Board -(1 Employee Nominated Seat, 1 Council Nominated > Seat) > >Planning Commission > >An Informational Meeting regarding the application process and > duties > >of serving on a board or commission will be held on April 30, 2007 > at > >City Hall in the West Conference Room at 6 p.m.. > > > >Interviews will occur in May/June 2007 > > > >For more information and to request an application, please contact > the > >City Clerk???s Office at (408) 730-7595 or by email at > >jclark at ci.sunnyvale.ca.us, TDD (408) 730-7501. > > > > > > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 14:54:08 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:54:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Sites? In-Reply-To: <45E5D65F.30506@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <396497.36829.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Some of my favs in order of preference: Check this one out in particular - mostly Green Party, out of SF, recieved National Black Newspaper of the year: http://www.sfbayview.com/ http://AfterDowningStreet.org http://WhatReallyHappened.com http://Buzzflash.com http://Antiwar.com http://Truthout.org Sadly because of their anti-Green Party stance, overfocus socialism per se and over reliance on MSM priorities I have to unrecommend ProgressiveIndependent.com Green solidarity! Drew --- Rob Means wrote: > I'm not sure these are progressive, but they are not MSM: > http://www.democracynow.org/ > http://mediamatters.org/ > http://www.salon.com/index.html --- Gerry Gras wrote: > > I don't claim to be an expert on which web sites are progressive > versus pseudo progressive web sites. But you might check out these: > > The Progressive Review > http://prorev.com/ > (the author/editor has been active in the Green Party a LONG > time) > > Program on Corporations, Law and Democracy > http://poclad.org/ > > ... > > I guess this one is not progressive, but I like it: > Common Dreams > http://commondreams.org/ > > Gerry > > > > > > > alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > > It's not enough that I've spent my whole adult life frustrated by > the > > mainstream media, now I've got to spend my life frustrated by the > World > > Wide Web! > > > > Please send me some links for Independent Progressive Web Sites. > 90% of > > the "progressive" web sites are mere mouthpieces for the Democratic > > > Party Establishment and I'm sick of 'em. > > > > I confess, it was kind of fun browsing these sites when they were > the > > cutting edge of Bush criticism back in 2002, 2003, and 2004 when > any > > criticism of Our Dear Leader was considered treason. > > > > But now, with Democrats back in control of Congress, NO CRITICISM > is > > tolerated of Our Dear Great Democratic Leaders. It's like: > DEMOCRATS > > RAISED THE MINIMUM WAGE! ISN'T THAT GREAT! > > > > Please > > > > We are almost two years from the November 2008 election and already > most > > of the stuff posted on these sites is Washington inside baseball > and > > gossip about the horse race and the money race between Hillary, > Barack, > > Edwards, et. al. Today, the big "buzz" on the web is the idea of > > bringing back old Al Gore. Am I the only African-American in the > United > > States who is not THAT excited about Sen. Obama? Don't get me > wrong. > > He's a good guy. I like him. But even if he is elected "The First > > > Black President" it ain't gonna be no revolution! And if he gets > it's > > gonna get really, really ugly. I mean, the rightwing Republican > hate > > machine is already smearing BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and this big > > "controversy" over David Geffen's anti-Clinton remarks is much ado > about > > nothing, though it does remind us of some things we already knew > about > > how petty and creepy the Clintons are. > > > > California is the biggest state in the union, the world's fifth or > sixth > > largest economy. We've got issues on the scale of many independent > > > sovereign nations. Yet, even the West Coast-based "progressives" > obsess > > over Washington gossip. It's ridiculous, but understandable if > you're a > > hyper-partisan Democrat since the Democratic Party in this big > "blue" > > state is totally dysfunctional. > > > > Have you noticed all of a sudden it's real trendy to use the word > > "Green." It's "Green this" and "Green that" but the GREEN PARTY is > > > still verboten. > > > > If nothing else, this latest wave of Ralph Nader bashing and how > the > > Greens are the ones "to blame" for Bush just shows how > simple-minded > > they are. This has gone on for six years and, to my knowledge, > there > > has been no effort to purge the many "moderate" Democrats who > actually > > voted for Bush. > > > > Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Sites? > > > > > > Alex Walker > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free > > from AOL at AOL.com > > > . > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 15:00:47 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:00:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [usgp-media] Ralph Nader: pariah or prophet? (Chris Hedges, Truthdig) In-Reply-To: <566216.95481.qm@web51114.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <718213.10610.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> On a side note Chris Hedges incorrectly identifies the Dominionists as 'Christian' Fascists. The Fascists part of his label is accurate, but they have nothing to do with Jesus the Christ and if anything stand solidly anti-Christ. Since he starts off his article with this vast misconception it prompts me to look at the rest of his article with increased skepticism. As to Nader, as I've said before and will say again as many times as is necessary, Nader will not run for or recieve the GPUS nomination for President. He won't join the Green Parties so therefore he is ineligible to run for our nominee. He will likely run as an independent as he did in 2004. Green solidarity! Drew --- Scott McLarty wrote: > Pariah or Prophet? > > By Chris Hedges > Truthdig, February 26, 2007 > http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/ > > > I can?t imagine why Ralph Nader would run again. > He has been branded as an egomaniac, blacklisted > by the media, plunged into debt by a Democratic > Party machine that challenged his ballot access > petitions and locked him out of the presidential > debates. Most of his friends and supporters have > abandoned him, and he is almost universally > reviled for throwing the 2000 election to George > W. Bush. > > I can?t imagine why he would want to go through > this one more time. But when Nader hinted in San > Francisco that he might run if Sen. Hillary > Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party > nominee, I knew I would be working for his > campaign if he indeed entered the race. He > understands that American democracy has become a > consumer fraud and that if we do not do battle > with the corporations that, in the name of > globalization, are cannibalizing the country for > profit, our democratic state is doomed. > > I spent the last two years reporting and writing > ?American Fascists: The Christian Right and the > War on America.? The rise of the Christian > right?the most dangerous mass movement in > American history?can be traced directly to the > corporate rape of America. This movement, which > calls for the eradication of real and imagined > enemies, all branded as ?satanic,? at home and > abroad, is an expression of rage. This rage > rises out of the deep distortions and > dislocations that have beset tens of millions of > Americans shunted aside in the new global > marketplace. The massive flight of manufacturing > and professional jobs overseas, the ruthless > slashing of state and federal assistance and the > rise of an unchecked American oligarchy have > plunged many Americans into deep economic and > personal despair. They have turned, because of > this despair, to ?Christian? demagogues who > promise magic, miracles, angels, the gospel of > prosperity and a fantastic Christian utopia. And > the Republicans and the Democrats are equally > culpable for this assault. > > There are only two solutions left. We must > organize to fight the corporate state, to > redirect our national wealth and resources to > fund a massive antipoverty campaign and curb the > cycle of perpetual war that enriches the > military-industrial complex and by extension the > two political parties that dominate Washington, > or we must accept an inevitable Christo-fascism > backed by these corporations. Don?t expect glib > Democratic politicians such as John Edwards, Sen. > Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama to address these > issues. They are, as Nader understands, hostage > to corporate money. > > Nader, perhaps better than anyone else, has > grasped the long, disastrous rise of the > corporate state. > > He and his small army of activists helped write > citizen legislation in the 1960s and 1970s that > gave us, among many bills, the Clean Air Act, the > Mine and Health Safety Act and the Freedom of > Information Act. He worked with and was courted > by sympathetic Democrats. Presidential candidate > George McGovern saw him as a potential running > mate, but Nader refused to be enticed directly > into the political arena. He was a skilled > Washington insider, one of the greatest idealists > within the democratic system. > > But the corporations grew tired of Nader?s > activism. They mounted a well-oiled campaign to > destroy him. These early attempts were clumsy > and amateurish, such as General Motor?s use of > private detectives to try to dig up dirt on his > private life; they found none. The campaign was > exposed and led to a public apology by GM. Nader > was awarded $425,000 in damages, which he used to > fund citizen action groups. > > Lewis Powell, who was the general counsel to the > U.S. Chamber of Commerce and would later be > appointed to the Supreme Court, wrote a memo in > August 1971 that expressed corporate concerns. > ?The single most effective antagonist of American > business is Ralph Nader,? the memo read, ?a > legend in his own time and an idol to millions of > Americans. ... There should be no hesitation to > attack [Nader and others].? > > Corporations poured hundreds of millions into the > assault. They set up pseudo-think tanks, such as > the Heritage Foundation, which invented bogus > disciplines including cost-benefit and > risk-management analysis, all geared to change > the debate from health, labor and safety issues > to the rising cost of big government. They ran > sophisticated ad campaigns to beguile voters. > These corporations wrenched apart, through lavish > campaign donations and intensive and shady > lobbying, the ties between Nader?s public > interest groups and his supporters in the > Democratic Party. Washington, by the time they > were done, was besieged with 25,000 corporate > lobbyists and 9,000 corporate action committees. > > When Ronald Reagan, the corporate pitch man, > swept into office he set out to dismantle some 30 > governmental regulations, most put into place by > Nader and his allies, all of which curbed the > abuse of corporations. The Reagan White House > worked to gut 20 years of Nader legislation. > And, once a fixture on Capital Hill, Nader became > a pariah. > > Nader, however, did not give up. He turned to > local community organizing, assisting grass-roots > campaigns around the country such the one to > remove benzene, known to cause cancer, from paint > in GM car plants. But by the time Bill Clinton > and Al Gore took office the corporate state was > ascendant. Nader and his citizen committees were > frozen out by Democrats as well as Republicans. > Clinton and Gore never met with him. > > ?We tried every way to get the Democrats to pick > up on issues that really commanded the felt > concerns and daily life of millions of > Americans,? Nader says in the new documentary > about his life, ?An Unreasonable Man,? ?but these > were issues that corporations didn?t want > attention paid to, and so when people say why did > you do this in 2000, I say I?m a 20-year veteran > of pursuing the folly of the least worse between > the two parties.? > > The Clinton administration pushed through NAFTA, > gutted welfare, gave up on universal healthcare, > deregulated the communications industry and > abolished federal aid to families with dependent > children. It further empowered the growing > corporate state and exacerbated the despair that > has fueled its allies in the Christian right. > > ?For 20 years,? Nader says in the film, ?we saw > the doors closing on us in Washington, on our > citizen groups and a lot of other citizen groups, > and what are we here for? To improve the > country. We couldn?t get congressional hearings, > even with the Democrats in charge.? > > There is a fascinating rage?and rage is the right > word?expressed by many on the left in this fine > film about Nader. Todd Gitlin, Eric Alterman and > Michael Moore, along with a host of former > Nader?s Raiders, spit out venomous insults toward > Nader, a man they profess to have once admired, > the most common charge being that Nader is a > victim of his oversized ego. > > This anger is the anger of the betrayed. But > they were not betrayed by Nader. They betrayed > themselves. They allowed themselves to buy into > the facile argument of ?the least worse? and > ignore the deeper, subterranean assault on our > democracy that Nader has always addressed. > > It was an incompetent, corporatized Democratic > Party, along with the orchestrated fraud by the > Republican Party, that threw the 2000 election to > Bush, not Ralph Nader. Nader received only 2.7 > percent of the vote in 2000 and got less than > one-half of 1 percent in 2004. All of the > third-party candidates who ran in 2000 in > Florida?there were about half a dozen of them?got > more votes than the 537-vote difference between > Bush and Gore. Why not go after the other > third-party candidates? And what about the 10 > million Democrats who voted in 2000 for Bush? > What about Gore, whose campaign was so timid and > empty?he never mentioned global warming?that he > could not carry his home state of Tennessee? And > what about the 2004 cartoon-like candidate, John > Kerry, who got up like a Boy Scout and told us he > was reporting for duty and would bring us > ?victory? in Iraq? > > Nader argues that there are few?he never said > no?differences between the Democrats and the > Republicans. And during the first four years of > the Bush administration the Democrats proved him > right. They authorized the war in Iraq. They > stood by as Bush stacked the judiciary with > ?Christian? ideologues. They let Bush, in > violation of the Constitution, pump hundreds of > millions of taxpayer dollars into faith-based > organizations that discriminate based on belief > and sexual orientation and openly proselytize. > They stood by as American children got fleeced by > No Child Left Behind. Democrats did not protest > when federal agencies began to propagate > ?Christian? pseudo-science about creationism, > reproductive rights and homosexuality. And the > Democrats let Bush further dismantle regulatory > agencies, strip American citizens of > constitutional rights under the Patriot Act and > other draconian legislation, and thrust > impoverished Americans aside through the > corporate-sponsored bankruptcy bill. It is a > stunning record. > > Bush is the worst president in American history. > If Gore, or Kerry, had the spine to take him on, > to challenge corporate welfare, corporate crime, > the hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate > bailouts and issues such as labor law reform, if > either had actually stood up to these corporate > behemoths on behalf of the working and middle > class, rather than mutter thought-terminating > clich?s about American greatness, he could have > won with a landslide. But Gore and Kerry did not > dare to piss off their corporate paymasters. > > There are a few former associates in the film who > argue that Nader is tarnishing his legacy, and by > extension their own legacy. But Nader?s legacy > is undiminished. He fights his wars against > corporate greed with a remarkable consistency. > He knows our democratic state is being hijacked > by the same corporate interests that sold us > unsafe automobiles and dangerous and shoddy > products. This is a battle not for some > unachievable ideal but to save our democracy. > > ?I don?t care about my personal legacy,? Nader > says in the film. ?I care about how much justice > is advanced in America and in our world day after > day. I?m willing to sacrifice whatever > ?reputation? in the cause of that effort. What > is my legacy? Are they going to turn around and > rip out seat belts out of cars, air bags out of > cars?? > > These corporations, and their enraged and > manipulated followers in the Christian right, > tens of millions of them, if left unchecked will > propel us into despotism. The corporate state > has rigged our system, hollowed out our political > process and steadily stripped citizens of > constitutional rights, federal and state > protection and assistance. This may be the > twilight of American democracy. And it is better > to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to > fight at all. > > > Chris Hedges? latest book is ?American Fascists: > The Christian Right and the War on America.? > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > _______________________________________________ > usgp-media mailing list > usgp-media at gp-us.org > http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-media > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 15:01:06 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:01:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [usgp-media] Ralph Nader: pariah or prophet? (Chris Hedges, Truthdig) In-Reply-To: <566216.95481.qm@web51114.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <823138.91733.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> On a side note Chris Hedges incorrectly identifies the Dominionists as 'Christian' Fascists. The Fascists part of his label is accurate, but they have nothing to do with Jesus the Christ and if anything stand solidly anti-Christ. Since he starts off his article with this vast misconception it prompts me to look at the rest of his article with increased skepticism. As to Nader, as I've said before and will say again as many times as is necessary, Nader will not run for or recieve the GPUS nomination for President. He won't join the Green Parties so therefore he is ineligible to run for our nominee. He will likely run as an independent as he did in 2004. Green solidarity! Drew --- Scott McLarty wrote: > Pariah or Prophet? > > By Chris Hedges > Truthdig, February 26, 2007 > http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/ > > > I can?t imagine why Ralph Nader would run again. > He has been branded as an egomaniac, blacklisted > by the media, plunged into debt by a Democratic > Party machine that challenged his ballot access > petitions and locked him out of the presidential > debates. Most of his friends and supporters have > abandoned him, and he is almost universally > reviled for throwing the 2000 election to George > W. Bush. > > I can?t imagine why he would want to go through > this one more time. But when Nader hinted in San > Francisco that he might run if Sen. Hillary > Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party > nominee, I knew I would be working for his > campaign if he indeed entered the race. He > understands that American democracy has become a > consumer fraud and that if we do not do battle > with the corporations that, in the name of > globalization, are cannibalizing the country for > profit, our democratic state is doomed. > > I spent the last two years reporting and writing > ?American Fascists: The Christian Right and the > War on America.? The rise of the Christian > right?the most dangerous mass movement in > American history?can be traced directly to the > corporate rape of America. This movement, which > calls for the eradication of real and imagined > enemies, all branded as ?satanic,? at home and > abroad, is an expression of rage. This rage > rises out of the deep distortions and > dislocations that have beset tens of millions of > Americans shunted aside in the new global > marketplace. The massive flight of manufacturing > and professional jobs overseas, the ruthless > slashing of state and federal assistance and the > rise of an unchecked American oligarchy have > plunged many Americans into deep economic and > personal despair. They have turned, because of > this despair, to ?Christian? demagogues who > promise magic, miracles, angels, the gospel of > prosperity and a fantastic Christian utopia. And > the Republicans and the Democrats are equally > culpable for this assault. > > There are only two solutions left. We must > organize to fight the corporate state, to > redirect our national wealth and resources to > fund a massive antipoverty campaign and curb the > cycle of perpetual war that enriches the > military-industrial complex and by extension the > two political parties that dominate Washington, > or we must accept an inevitable Christo-fascism > backed by these corporations. Don?t expect glib > Democratic politicians such as John Edwards, Sen. > Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama to address these > issues. They are, as Nader understands, hostage > to corporate money. > > Nader, perhaps better than anyone else, has > grasped the long, disastrous rise of the > corporate state. > > He and his small army of activists helped write > citizen legislation in the 1960s and 1970s that > gave us, among many bills, the Clean Air Act, the > Mine and Health Safety Act and the Freedom of > Information Act. He worked with and was courted > by sympathetic Democrats. Presidential candidate > George McGovern saw him as a potential running > mate, but Nader refused to be enticed directly > into the political arena. He was a skilled > Washington insider, one of the greatest idealists > within the democratic system. > > But the corporations grew tired of Nader?s > activism. They mounted a well-oiled campaign to > destroy him. These early attempts were clumsy > and amateurish, such as General Motor?s use of > private detectives to try to dig up dirt on his > private life; they found none. The campaign was > exposed and led to a public apology by GM. Nader > was awarded $425,000 in damages, which he used to > fund citizen action groups. > > Lewis Powell, who was the general counsel to the > U.S. Chamber of Commerce and would later be > appointed to the Supreme Court, wrote a memo in > August 1971 that expressed corporate concerns. > ?The single most effective antagonist of American > business is Ralph Nader,? the memo read, ?a > legend in his own time and an idol to millions of > Americans. ... There should be no hesitation to > attack [Nader and others].? > > Corporations poured hundreds of millions into the > assault. They set up pseudo-think tanks, such as > the Heritage Foundation, which invented bogus > disciplines including cost-benefit and > risk-management analysis, all geared to change > the debate from health, labor and safety issues > to the rising cost of big government. They ran > sophisticated ad campaigns to beguile voters. > These corporations wrenched apart, through lavish > campaign donations and intensive and shady > lobbying, the ties between Nader?s public > interest groups and his supporters in the > Democratic Party. Washington, by the time they > were done, was besieged with 25,000 corporate > lobbyists and 9,000 corporate action committees. > > When Ronald Reagan, the corporate pitch man, > swept into office he set out to dismantle some 30 > governmental regulations, most put into place by > Nader and his allies, all of which curbed the > abuse of corporations. The Reagan White House > worked to gut 20 years of Nader legislation. > And, once a fixture on Capital Hill, Nader became > a pariah. > > Nader, however, did not give up. He turned to > local community organizing, assisting grass-roots > campaigns around the country such the one to > remove benzene, known to cause cancer, from paint > in GM car plants. But by the time Bill Clinton > and Al Gore took office the corporate state was > ascendant. Nader and his citizen committees were > frozen out by Democrats as well as Republicans. > Clinton and Gore never met with him. > > ?We tried every way to get the Democrats to pick > up on issues that really commanded the felt > concerns and daily life of millions of > Americans,? Nader says in the new documentary > about his life, ?An Unreasonable Man,? ?but these > were issues that corporations didn?t want > attention paid to, and so when people say why did > you do this in 2000, I say I?m a 20-year veteran > of pursuing the folly of the least worse between > the two parties.? > > The Clinton administration pushed through NAFTA, > gutted welfare, gave up on universal healthcare, > deregulated the communications industry and > abolished federal aid to families with dependent > children. It further empowered the growing > corporate state and exacerbated the despair that > has fueled its allies in the Christian right. > > ?For 20 years,? Nader says in the film, ?we saw > the doors closing on us in Washington, on our > citizen groups and a lot of other citizen groups, > and what are we here for? To improve the > country. We couldn?t get congressional hearings, > even with the Democrats in charge.? > > There is a fascinating rage?and rage is the right > word?expressed by many on the left in this fine > film about Nader. Todd Gitlin, Eric Alterman and > Michael Moore, along with a host of former > Nader?s Raiders, spit out venomous insults toward > Nader, a man they profess to have once admired, > the most common charge being that Nader is a > victim of his oversized ego. > > This anger is the anger of the betrayed. But > they were not betrayed by Nader. They betrayed > themselves. They allowed themselves to buy into > the facile argument of ?the least worse? and > ignore the deeper, subterranean assault on our > democracy that Nader has always addressed. > > It was an incompetent, corporatized Democratic > Party, along with the orchestrated fraud by the > Republican Party, that threw the 2000 election to > Bush, not Ralph Nader. Nader received only 2.7 > percent of the vote in 2000 and got less than > one-half of 1 percent in 2004. All of the > third-party candidates who ran in 2000 in > Florida?there were about half a dozen of them?got > more votes than the 537-vote difference between > Bush and Gore. Why not go after the other > third-party candidates? And what about the 10 > million Democrats who voted in 2000 for Bush? > What about Gore, whose campaign was so timid and > empty?he never mentioned global warming?that he > could not carry his home state of Tennessee? And > what about the 2004 cartoon-like candidate, John > Kerry, who got up like a Boy Scout and told us he > was reporting for duty and would bring us > ?victory? in Iraq? > > Nader argues that there are few?he never said > no?differences between the Democrats and the > Republicans. And during the first four years of > the Bush administration the Democrats proved him > right. They authorized the war in Iraq. They > stood by as Bush stacked the judiciary with > ?Christian? ideologues. They let Bush, in > violation of the Constitution, pump hundreds of > millions of taxpayer dollars into faith-based > organizations that discriminate based on belief > and sexual orientation and openly proselytize. > They stood by as American children got fleeced by > No Child Left Behind. Democrats did not protest > when federal agencies began to propagate > ?Christian? pseudo-science about creationism, > reproductive rights and homosexuality. And the > Democrats let Bush further dismantle regulatory > agencies, strip American citizens of > constitutional rights under the Patriot Act and > other draconian legislation, and thrust > impoverished Americans aside through the > corporate-sponsored bankruptcy bill. It is a > stunning record. > > Bush is the worst president in American history. > If Gore, or Kerry, had the spine to take him on, > to challenge corporate welfare, corporate crime, > the hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate > bailouts and issues such as labor law reform, if > either had actually stood up to these corporate > behemoths on behalf of the working and middle > class, rather than mutter thought-terminating > clich?s about American greatness, he could have > won with a landslide. But Gore and Kerry did not > dare to piss off their corporate paymasters. > > There are a few former associates in the film who > argue that Nader is tarnishing his legacy, and by > extension their own legacy. But Nader?s legacy > is undiminished. He fights his wars against > corporate greed with a remarkable consistency. > He knows our democratic state is being hijacked > by the same corporate interests that sold us > unsafe automobiles and dangerous and shoddy > products. This is a battle not for some > unachievable ideal but to save our democracy. > > ?I don?t care about my personal legacy,? Nader > says in the film. ?I care about how much justice > is advanced in America and in our world day after > day. I?m willing to sacrifice whatever > ?reputation? in the cause of that effort. What > is my legacy? Are they going to turn around and > rip out seat belts out of cars, air bags out of > cars?? > > These corporations, and their enraged and > manipulated followers in the Christian right, > tens of millions of them, if left unchecked will > propel us into despotism. The corporate state > has rigged our system, hollowed out our political > process and steadily stripped citizens of > constitutional rights, federal and state > protection and assistance. This may be the > twilight of American democracy. And it is better > to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to > fight at all. > > > Chris Hedges? latest book is ?American Fascists: > The Christian Right and the War on America.? > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. > Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html > _______________________________________________ > usgp-media mailing list > usgp-media at gp-us.org > http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-media > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From wrolley at charter.net Wed Feb 28 15:33:17 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:33:17 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."] Message-ID: <45E6113D.5000800@charter.net> I am forwarding Lorna Salzman's comments regarding the Chris Hedges piece on Nader that has been referenced several times recently. Whether you agree with Lorna on everything, and I certainly do not, her comments here are worth reading and her passion is undeniable. __ Lorn'a note follows __ Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of Ralph Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done is reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal to address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his forty-year career. In this respect they are representatives of the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been to indulge in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the last refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals. Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and its apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can deny this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not one of them has come up with a single example of the Democratic Party's vaunted progressivism and achievements. For those with short memories, Hedges reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it would easily fit onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon, Clinton was a neo-con. We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left, whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist system they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has been articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and occasionally some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups like blacks and Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive principled movement combining the best of these has not been attempted, at least not yet. These movements talk past one another, out of competition and compulsive ideologies that they as yet refuse to abandon. The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed above, have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism, materialism, growth, development, all of which are not only ecologically disastrous but which fit neatly into the plan of corporations. Black Americans, for the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; they don't want to break the golden egg laid by the capitalist goose. Their major accomplishment has been to persuade non-blacks and paleoliberals that the biggest problems facing America are racism and poverty. Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But isnt it dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the American dream of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth that has DEPRIVED so many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and Democrats to confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and anti-environmental character of American society has contributed to poverty and racial/economic injustice? How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And that only a full frontal attack on the system, including its electoral configuration, will address the problem? This is at the heart of the problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and economic injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of the SUCCESS of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not out of its FAILURE. Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity Politics and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in 2000, Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green Party line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most exaggerated count, three hundred thousand members, this means that over 2 1/2 million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were non-greens; they were Democrats, Republicans, independents, conservatives, and libertarians. They were that potential green constituency that lay out there, ripe for the picking, which the Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized could be the future decision-making body in the party. Horror of horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier? I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I understand their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly progressive wash painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever propaganda that distracted people from the fundamental problems by focusing on their symptoms instead of their causes. And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still doesn't make them right. Lorna Salzman -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Lorna Salzman Subject: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all." Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:19:55 -0500 Size: 51606 URL: From wrolley at charter.net Wed Feb 28 15:39:27 2007 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:39:27 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Obama - Nader Message-ID: <45E612AF.1040809@charter.net> Yeah, that is right... Obama - Nader... or so Raqzzygirl at DailyKos has suggested. The pattern of comments are more enlightening than the story. Still, it is brave for such a suggestion to show up at DailyKos. Time for the Kevlar suits. -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com From baalavi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 15:48:29 2007 From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:48:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."] In-Reply-To: <45E6113D.5000800@charter.net> Message-ID: <799197.38978.qm@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> The comments and passage seem to generally make sense. Thanks! Ralph Nader, in my opinion, has been the number one PUBLIC SERVANT in the country, if there were any such thing; in a true sense of the word. Chances are if he ran on any party's ticket, he'd have my vote. Don't particularly care for any form of religious fundamentalism either. :) Wes Rolley wrote: I am forwarding Lorna Salzman's comments regarding the Chris Hedges piece on Nader that has been referenced several times recently. Whether you agree with Lorna on everything, and I certainly do not, her comments here are worth reading and her passion is undeniable. __ Lorn'a note follows __ Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of Ralph Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done is reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal to address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his forty-year career. In this respect they are representatives of the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been to indulge in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the last refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals. Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and its apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can deny this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not one of them has come up with a single example of the Democratic Party's vaunted progressivism and achievements. For those with short memories, Hedges reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it would easily fit onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon, Clinton was a neo-con. We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left, whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist system they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has been articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and occasionally some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups like blacks and Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive principled movement combining the best of these has not been attempted, at least not yet. These movements talk past one another, out of competition and compulsive ideologies that they as yet refuse to abandon. The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed above, have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism, materialism, growth, development, all of which are not only ecologically disastrous but which fit neatly into the plan of corporations. Black Americans, for the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; they don't want to break the golden egg laid by the capitalist goose. Their major accomplishment has been to persuade non-blacks and paleoliberals that the biggest problems facing America are racism and poverty. Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But isnt it dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the American dream of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth that has DEPRIVED so many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and Democrats to confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and anti-environmental character of American society has contributed to poverty and racial/economic injustice? How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And that only a full frontal attack on the system, including its electoral configuration, will address the problem? This is at the heart of the problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and economic injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of the SUCCESS of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not out of its FAILURE. Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity Politics and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in 2000, Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green Party line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most exaggerated count, three hundred thousand members, this means that over 2 1/2 million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were non-greens; they were Democrats, Republicans, independents, conservatives, and libertarians. They were that potential green constituency that lay out there, ripe for the picking, which the Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized could be the future decision-making body in the party. Horror of horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier? I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I understand their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly progressive wash painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever propaganda that distracted people from the fundamental problems by focusing on their symptoms instead of their causes. And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still doesn't make them right. Lorna Salzman -- I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci Wesley C. Rolley 17211 Quail Court Morgan Hill, CA 95037 (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:19:55 -0500 To: esalzman at aba.org From: Lorna Salzman Subject: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all." Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of Ralph Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done is reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal to address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his forty-year career. In this respect they are representatives of the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been to indulge in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the last refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals. Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and its apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can deny this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not one of them has come up with a single example of the Democratic Party's vaunted progressivism and achievements. For those with short memories, Hedges reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it would easily fit onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon, Clinton was a neo-con. We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left, whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist system they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has been articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and occasionally some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups like blacks and Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive principled movement combining the best of these has not been attempted, at least not yet. These movements talk past one another, out of competition and compulsive ideologies that they as yet refuse to abandon. The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed above, have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism, materialism, growth, development, all of which are not only ecologically disastrous but which fit neatly into the plan of corporations. Black Americans, for the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; they don't want to break the golden egg laid by the capitalist goose. Their major accomplishment has been to persuade non-blacks and paleoliberals that the biggest problems facing America are racism and poverty. Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But isnt it dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the American dream of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth that has DEPRIVED so many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and Democrats to confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and anti-environmental character of American society has contributed to poverty and racial/economic injustice? How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And that only a full frontal attack on the system, including its electoral configuration, will address the problem? This is at the heart of the problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and economic injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of the SUCCESS of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not out of its FAILURE. Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity Politics and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in 2000, Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green Party line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most exaggerated count, three hundred thousand members, this means that over 2 1/2 million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were non-greens; they were Democrats, Republicans, independents, conservatives, and libertarians. They were that potential green constituency that lay out there, ripe for the picking, which the Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized could be the future decision-making body in the party. Horror of horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier? I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I understand their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly progressive wash painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever propaganda that distracted people from the fundamental problems by focusing on their symptoms instead of their causes. And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still doesn't make them right. Lorna Salzman ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Funiciello Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all." Chris Hedges Says He'll Work For Nader in 2008! When the book, "War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning" came out, intellectuals and peace activists alike flocked to it. It was intelligent, well-reasoned and written by a true craftsman with some truly horrific war stories to tell and a keen eye to analyze the costs for all concerned. Hedges says that he will work for Ralph Nader in 2008 if he runs again (he will). In Hedge's article, he talks about the corporate rape of our government and how Nader is one of the only national figures to recognize this and to speak openly about the corrupt corporate ownership of our nation. He notes that someone with Ralph's incredible resume must have only entered the public arena to fight the "rapists" after their purchase of the Republican Lite Party back in the 1980's and this presumes that those who further the "ego trip" theory are just buying into propaganda for those too limited intellectually to think for themselves. Thank you Chris Hedges for being brave enough to tell the truth! I sincerely hope that the "propaganda-eaters" don't malign and abuse you for telling the truth, though I suspect they will. They don't appreciate the truth at all and they don't like to talk about it either. On a similar topic, I spent half a day on "Democratic Underground" about a month ago and was kicked off (with absolutely no explanation). For those unfamiliar, DU is a website with many forums to discuss "progressive" issues, like who you like better, Gore or Hillary. They also enjoy talking about which pro-war Democratic candidate they should vote for to end the war. Not exactly a hotbed of rational thought .... but they're Democrats. What do you expect? The "progressives" I was chatting with were discussing the new Nader film, "An Unreasonable Man". They were literally calling Ralph an "idiot", "a fucking asshole" and a "scumbag". I can only assume that this Democrat venom is residual from the 2000 presidential run although none of these idiots could explain their way out of a paper bag nor do they feel that they owe me, their enemy, any explanation. In their minds, Nader was that guy who was "not a factor" when they mailed out all the debate invitations but who became the "ONLY factor" when Al Gore ran such a weak-assed campaign that he lost his own home state and Clinton's, too! All I did on the forum with a particularly stupid chatter was call Hillary a "fascist". I backed that up by asking how someone can support the Imperialist/Big Oil/Ruling Class agenda and vote for illegal occupation and genocide and also refuse to debate your legitimate opponents, Tasini and Hawkins? I may have also pointed out to a few Nader-haters that there were many other third party candidates on the ballot in Florida in that infamous election and that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM had enough votes to "spoil it" for Gore. Using the Dems own questionable math skills, shouldn't they be propagandizing against all of those candidates! Why have they persisted in vilifying only ONE guy, especially when that one guy has done more for them than any elected official has ever done? I guess they don't like having a conversation or they're just frightened that their "logic" doesn't make any sense? Very strange behavior, indeed. These "sheeple" who call themselves progressives lack even a basic willingness to try and defend their viewpoint and their blind obedience to their party bosses. This fearful behavior fortifies me in my certitude that Ralph is right and that we need to support him in whatever number of elections he may choose to run in. Peace to all those with open minds who are brave enough to stand up and fight! ;-) Matt Matt Funiciello mattfuniciello at earthlink.net Two Political Parties = One Massive Corporation Pariah or Prophet? http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/ Posted on Feb 26, 2007 By Chris Hedges I can?t imagine why Ralph Nader would run again. He has been branded as an egomaniac, blacklisted by the media, plunged into debt by a Democratic Party machine that challenged his ballot access petitions and locked him out of the presidential debates. Most of his friends and supporters have abandoned him, and he is almost universally reviled for throwing the 2000 election to George W. Bush. I can?t imagine why he would want to go through this one more time. But when Nader hinted in San Francisco that he might run if Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party nominee, I knew I would be working for his campaign if he indeed entered the race. He understands that American democracy has become a consumer fraud and that if we do not do battle with the corporations that, in the name of globalization, are cannibalizing the country for profit, our democratic state is doomed. I spent the last two years reporting and writing ?American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.? The rise of the Christian right?the most dangerous mass movement in American history?can be traced directly to the corporate rape of America. This movement, which calls for the eradication of real and imagined enemies, all branded as ?satanic,? at home and abroad, is an expression of rage. This rage rises out of the deep distortions and dislocations that have beset tens of millions of Americans shunted aside in the new global marketplace. The massive flight of manufacturing and professional jobs overseas, the ruthless slashing of state and federal assistance and the rise of an unchecked American oligarchy have plunged many Americans into deep economic and personal despair. They have turned, because of this despair, to ?Christian? demagogues who promise magic, miracles, angels, the gospel of prosperity and a fantastic Christian utopia. And the Republicans and the Democrats are equally culpable for this assault. There are only two solutions left. We must organize to fight the corporate state, to redirect our national wealth and resources to fund a massive antipoverty campaign and curb the cycle of perpetual war that enriches the military-industrial complex and by extension the two political parties that dominate Washington, or we must accept an inevitable Christo-fascism backed by these corporations. Don?t expect glib Democratic politicians such as John Edwards, Sen. Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama to address these issues. They are, as Nader understands, hostage to corporate money. Nader, perhaps better than anyone else, has grasped the long, disastrous rise of the corporate state. He and his small army of activists helped write citizen legislation in the 1960s and 1970s that gave us, among many bills, the Clean Air Act, the Mine and Health Safety Act and the Freedom of Information Act. He worked with and was courted by sympathetic Democrats. Presidential candidate George McGovern saw him as a potential running mate, but Nader refused to be enticed directly into the political arena. He was a skilled Washington insider, one of the greatest idealists within the democratic system. But the corporations grew tired of Nader?s activism. They mounted a well-oiled campaign to destroy him. These early attempts were clumsy and amateurish, such as General Motor?s use of private detectives to try to dig up dirt on his private life; they found none. The campaign was exposed and led to a public apology by GM. Nader was awarded $425,000 in damages, which he used to fund citizen action groups. Lewis Powell, who was the general counsel to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and would later be appointed to the Supreme Court, wrote a memo in August 1971 that expressed corporate concerns. ?The single most effective antagonist of American business is Ralph Nader,? the memo read, ?a legend in his own time and an idol to millions of Americans. ... There should be no hesitation to attack [Nader and others].? Corporations poured hundreds of millions into the assault. They set up pseudo-think tanks, such as the Heritage Foundation, which invented bogus disciplines including cost-benefit and risk-management analysis, all geared to change the debate from health, labor and safety issues to the rising cost of big government. They ran sophisticated ad campaigns to beguile voters. These corporations wrenched apart, through lavish campaign donations and intensive and shady lobbying, the ties between Nader?s public interest groups and his supporters in the Democratic Party. Washington, by the time they were done, was besieged with 25,000 corporate lobbyists and 9,000 corporate action committees. When Ronald Reagan, the corporate pitch man, swept into office he set out to dismantle some 30 governmental regulations, most put into place by Nader and his allies, all of which curbed the abuse of corporations. The Reagan White House worked to gut 20 years of Nader legislation. And, once a fixture on Capital Hill, Nader became a pariah. Nader, however, did not give up. He turned to local community organizing, assisting grass-roots campaigns around the country such the one to remove benzene, known to cause cancer, from paint in GM car plants. But by the time Bill Clinton and Al Gore took office the corporate state was ascendant. Nader and his citizen committees were frozen out by Democrats as well as Republicans. Clinton and Gore never met with him. ?We tried every way to get the Democrats to pick up on issues that really commanded the felt concerns and daily life of millions of Americans,? Nader says in the new documentary about his life, ?An Unreasonable Man,? ?but these were issues that corporations didn?t want attention paid to, and so when people say why did you do this in 2000, I say I?m a 20-year veteran of pursuing the folly of the least worse between the two parties.? The Clinton administration pushed through NAFTA, gutted welfare, gave up on universal healthcare, deregulated the communications industry and abolished federal aid to families with dependent children. It further empowered the growing corporate state and exacerbated the despair that has fueled its allies in the Christian right. ?For 20 years,? Nader says in the film, ?we saw the doors closing on us in Washington, on our citizen groups and a lot of other citizen groups, and what are we here for? To improve the country. We couldn?t get congressional hearings, even with the Democrats in charge.? There is a fascinating rage?and rage is the right word?expressed by many on the left in this fine film about Nader. Todd Gitlin, Eric Alterman and Michael Moore, along with a host of former Nader?s Raiders, spit out venomous insults toward Nader, a man they profess to have once admired, the most common charge being that Nader is a victim of his oversized ego. This anger is the anger of the betrayed. But they were not betrayed by Nader. They betrayed themselves. They allowed themselves to buy into the facile argument of ?the least worse? and ignore the deeper, subterranean assault on our democracy that Nader has always addressed. It was an incompetent, corporatized Democratic Party, along with the orchestrated fraud by the Republican Party, that threw the 2000 election to Bush, not Ralph Nader. Nader received only 2.7 percent of the vote in 2000 and got less than one-half of 1 percent in 2004. All of the third-party candidates who ran in 2000 in Florida?there were about half a dozen of them?got more votes than the 537-vote difference between Bush and Gore. Why not go after the other third-party candidates? And what about the 10 million Democrats who voted in 2000 for Bush? What about Gore, whose campaign was so timid and empty?he never mentioned global warming?that he could not carry his home state of Tennessee? And what about the 2004 cartoon-like candidate, John Kerry, who got up like a Boy Scout and told us he was reporting for duty and would bring us ?victory? in Iraq? Nader argues that there are few?he never said no?differences between the Democrats and the Republicans. And during the first four years of the Bush administration the Democrats proved him right. They authorized the war in Iraq. They stood by as Bush stacked the judiciary with ?Christian? ideologues. They let Bush, in violation of the Constitution, pump hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars into faith-based organizations that discriminate based on belief and sexual orientation and openly proselytize. They stood by as American children got fleeced by No Child Left Behind. Democrats did not protest when federal agencies began to propagate ?Christian? pseudo-science about creationism, reproductive rights and homosexuality. And the Democrats let Bush further dismantle regulatory agencies, strip American citizens of constitutional rights under the Patriot Act and other draconian legislation, and thrust impoverished Americans aside through the corporate-sponsored bankruptcy bill. It is a stunning record. Bush is the worst president in American history. If Gore, or Kerry, had the spine to take him on, to challenge corporate welfare, corporate crime, the hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate bailouts and issues such as labor law reform, if either had actually stood up to these corporate behemoths on behalf of the working and middle class, rather than mutter thought-terminating clich?s about American greatness, he could have won with a landslide. But Gore and Kerry did not dare to piss off their corporate paymasters. There are a few former associates in the film who argue that Nader is tarnishing his legacy, and by extension their own legacy. But Nader?s legacy is undiminished. He fights his wars against corporate greed with a remarkable consistency. He knows our democratic state is being hijacked by the same corporate interests that sold us unsafe automobiles and dangerous and shoddy products. This is a battle not for some unachievable ideal but to save our democracy. ?I don?t care about my personal legacy,? Nader says in the film. ?I care about how much justice is advanced in America and in our world day after day. I?m willing to sacrifice whatever ?reputation? in the cause of that effort. What is my legacy? Are they going to turn around and rip out seat belts out of cars, air bags out of cars?? These corporations, and their enraged and manipulated followers in the Christian right, tens of millions of them, if left unchecked will propel us into despotism. The corporate state has rigged our system, hollowed out our political process and steadily stripped citizens of constitutional rights, federal and state protection and assistance. This may be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all. Chris Hedges? latest book is ?American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.? -- NOW PLAYING AT YOUR LOCAL MARXIST CINEMA: "DR. STRANGELEFT, OR, HOW I STOPPED WORRYING AND LEARNED TO LOVE THE BOMBERS". "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" (B. Pascal) "We are already fighting World War III and I am sorry to say we are winning. It is the war against the earth".....Raymond Dasmann _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 15:50:52 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:50:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."] In-Reply-To: <45E6113D.5000800@charter.net> Message-ID: <284920.78689.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with her that Nader's importance goes completely unrecognized (except by Naderites and Greens whom she seems to forget entirely). Doesn't change the fact that Nader will likely run as an independent and will not run as a Green in 2008. More power to him, but I'm very pleased that the Green Party is past the Nader Era. Now we are onto people who will actually build up the Green Party and make us a viable force. Green solidarity! Drew --- Wes Rolley wrote: > I am forwarding Lorna Salzman's comments regarding the Chris Hedges > piece on Nader that has been referenced several times recently. > Whether > you agree with Lorna on everything, and I certainly do not, her > comments > here are worth reading and her passion is undeniable. > __ Lorn'a note follows __ > > Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of > Ralph > Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done > is > reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal to > address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his > forty-year > career. In this respect they are representatives of the Democratic > Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been to > indulge > in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation that > Nader > has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the > last > refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals. > > Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of > corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and its > > apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can deny > > this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but > diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to > deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not one > of > them has come up with a single example of the Democratic Party's > vaunted > progressivism and achievements. For those with short memories, Hedges > > reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it would easily fit > onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon, Clinton was > a > neo-con. > > We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who > distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the > character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly > > accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped > into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left, > whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist > system > they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has been > articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some > environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and > occasionally > some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups like blacks > and > Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive principled movement > combining the best of these has not been attempted, at least not yet. > > These movements talk past one another, out of competition and > compulsive > ideologies that they as yet refuse to abandon. > > The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed above, > > have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism, materialism, > > growth, development, all of which are not only ecologically > disastrous > but which fit neatly into the plan of corporations. Black Americans, > for > the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; they don't want to > break > the golden egg laid by the capitalist goose. Their major > accomplishment > has been to persuade non-blacks and paleoliberals that the biggest > problems facing America are racism and poverty. > > Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But isnt > it > dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the American > dream > of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth that has DEPRIVED > so > many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it > obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and Democrats to > confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and > anti-environmental character of American society has contributed to > poverty and racial/economic injustice? > > How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to > liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is > amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And > that > only a full frontal attack on the system, including its electoral > configuration, will address the problem? This is at the heart of the > problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and economic > injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of the > SUCCESS > of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not out of its > FAILURE. > > Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most > prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual > leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity Politics > > and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the > present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in > 2000, > Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green Party > line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most > exaggerated > count, three hundred thousand members, this means that over 2 1/2 > million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were non-greens; they > were > Democrats, Republicans, independents, conservatives, and > libertarians. > They were that potential green constituency that lay out there, ripe > for > the picking, which the Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized > > could be the future decision-making body in the party. Horror of > horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the > paleoliberals, > the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators > > like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of > power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier? > > I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I understand > > their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted > phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed > themselves > as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly progressive wash > painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever propaganda > > that distracted people from the fundamental problems by focusing on > their symptoms instead of their causes. > And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and > exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still > doesn't make them right. > > Lorna Salzman > > > -- > > I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. > Being willing is not enough; > We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci > Wesley C. Rolley > 17211 Quail Court > Morgan Hill, CA 95037 > (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com > > > Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:19:55 -0500 > To: esalzman at aba.org > From: Lorna Salzman > Subject: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of > American > democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, > than > not to fight at all." > > Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted > the importance of Ralph Nader's accomplishments > or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done is > reveal their own failures and, worse, their > continuing refusal to address the issues that > Nader has raised in the course of his forty-year > career. In this respect they are representatives > of the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ > small. Their only defense has been to indulge in > personal attacks, with preference given to the > accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does > this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the last > refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals. > > Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by > the perimeter of corporate control, is what > distinguishes the Democratic Party and its > apologists. No amount of distracting insults and > accusations can deny this. The Democrats, in > which we include the self-important but > diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and > Alterman, continue to deliberately avoid > discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not > one of them has come up with a single example of > the Democratic Party's vaunted progressivism and > achievements. For those with short memories, > Hedges reiterates the record of Bill Clinton > below, and it would easily fit onto any > traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon, > Clinton was a neo-con. > > We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap > between those of us who distrust and disagree > with the abominable electoral system and the > character of American culture and politics, and > those who have meekly accepted it as the "best of > all possible worlds". No one has stepped into > this gap unless you include the brainless witless > extreme left, whose praxis and objectives eerily > mirror those of the capitalist system they > profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary > vision has been articulated (and then only > partially and ineffectively) by some > environmental leaders, decentralists, > bioregionalists, and occasionally some honest > libertarians (though not by minority groups like > blacks and Hispanics). But the construction of a > cohesive principled movement combining the best > of these has not been attempted, at least not > yet. These movements talk past one another, out > of competition and compulsive ideologies that > they as yet refuse to abandon. > > The fact is that most American movements, outside > those listed above, have bought the American > dream of excessive consumerism, materialism, > growth, development, all of which are not only > ecologically disastrous but which fit neatly into > the plan of corporations. Black Americans, for > the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; > they don't want to break the golden egg laid by > the capitalist goose. Their major accomplishment > has been to persuade non-blacks and > paleoliberals that the biggest problems facing > America are racism and poverty. > > Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, > wouldnt it? But isnt it dumber to ignore the fact > that it has been PRECISELY the American dream of > growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth > that has DEPRIVED so many Americans of their > health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it > obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists > and Democrats to confront the inequity, > injustice, unsustainability and > anti-environmental character of American society > has contributed to poverty and racial/economic > injustice? > > How can real progressives ever hope to explain > this to liberals...explain that the system they > trust and love, which is amenable to incremental > but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And that > only a full frontal attack on the system, > including its electoral configuration, will > address the problem? This is at the heart of the > problem with the Democratic Party: that the > social and economic injustices they traditionally > abhorred grow directly out of the SUCCESS of the > POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not > out of its FAILURE. > > Of all the failed movements, the green > movement/party is the most prominent and the most > tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual > leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads > like Identity Politics and Political Correctness. > What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the present > Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact > that in 2000, Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE > MILLION VOTES on the Green Party line. Given that > the national P enrollment was, at the most > exaggerated count, three hundred thousand > members, this means that over 2 1/2 million > Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were > non-greens; they were Democrats, Republicans, > independents, conservatives, and libertarians. > They were that potential green constituency that > lay out there, ripe for the picking, which the > Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized > could be the future decision-making body in the > party. Horror of horrors! The Greens in Dem > clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the > self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, > the infiltrators like Medea Benjamin, all stood > to be ousted from their positions of power > by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier? > > I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader > because I understand their fears. They have been > revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted phonies, > utter failures, and hypocrites. They have > revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed > liberalism, the faintly progressive wash painted > over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by > clever propaganda that distracted people from the > fundamental problems by focusing on their > symptoms instead of their causes. > And when someone prominent and respected gets the > public's ear and exposes their failures, why of > course they get mad. But that still doesn't make > them right. > > Lorna Salzman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Funiciello > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:48 PM > Subject: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the > twilight of American democracy. And it is better > to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to > fight at all." > > Chris Hedges Says He'll Work For Nader in 2008! > > When the book, "War Is A Force That Gives Us > Meaning" came out, intellectuals and peace > activists alike flocked to it. It > was intelligent, well-reasoned and written by a > true craftsman with some truly horrific war > stories to tell and a keen eye to analyze the > costs for all concerned. Hedges says that he will > work for Ralph Nader in 2008 if he runs again (he > will). In Hedge's article, he talks about the > corporate rape of our government and how Nader is > one of the only national figures to recognize > this and to speak openly about the corrupt > corporate ownership of our nation. He notes that > someone with Ralph's incredible resume must have > only entered the public arena to fight the > "rapists" after their purchase of the Republican > Lite Party back in the 1980's and this presumes > that those who further the "ego trip" theory are > just buying into propaganda for those too limited > intellectually to think for themselves. > > Thank you Chris Hedges for being brave enough to > tell the truth! I sincerely hope that the > "propaganda-eaters" don't malign and abuse you > for telling the truth, though I suspect they > will. They don't appreciate the truth at all and > they don't like to talk about it either. > > On a similar topic, I spent half a day on > "Democratic Underground" about a month ago and > was kicked off (with absolutely no explanation). > For those unfamiliar, DU is a website with many > forums to discuss "progressive" issues, like who > you like better, Gore or Hillary. They also enjoy > talking about which pro-war Democratic candidate > they should vote for to end the war. Not exactly > a hotbed of rational thought .... but they're > Democrats. What do you expect? > > The "progressives" I was chatting with were > discussing the new Nader film, "An Unreasonable > Man". They were literally calling Ralph an > "idiot", "a fucking asshole" and a "scumbag". I > can only assume that this Democrat venom is > residual from the 2000 presidential run although > none of these idiots could explain their way out > of a paper bag nor do they feel that they owe me, > their enemy, any explanation. In their > minds, Nader was that guy who was "not a factor" > when they mailed out all the debate invitations > but who became the "ONLY factor" > when Al Gore ran such a weak-assed campaign that > he lost his own home state and Clinton's, too! > All I did on the forum with a particularly stupid > chatter was call Hillary a "fascist". I backed > that up by asking how someone can support the > Imperialist/Big Oil/Ruling Class agenda and vote > for illegal occupation and genocide and > also refuse to debate your legitimate opponents, > Tasini and Hawkins? I may have also pointed out > to a few Nader-haters that there were many other > third party candidates on the ballot in Florida > in that infamous election and that EVERY SINGLE > ONE OF THEM had enough votes to "spoil it" for > Gore. Using the Dems own questionable math > skills, shouldn't they be propagandizing against > all of those candidates! Why have they persisted > in vilifying only ONE guy, especially when that > one guy has done more for them than any elected > official has ever done? > > I guess they don't like having a conversation or > they're just frightened that their "logic" > doesn't make any sense? Very strange behavior, > indeed. These "sheeple" who call themselves > progressives lack even a basic willingness to try > and defend their viewpoint and their blind > obedience to their party bosses. This fearful > behavior fortifies me in my certitude that Ralph > is right and that we need to support him in > whatever number of elections he may choose to run > in. > > Peace to all those with open minds who are brave > enough to stand up and fight! ;-) > > Matt > > Matt Funiciello > mattfuniciello at earthlink.net > Two Political Parties = One Massive Corporation > > > > Pariah or Prophet? > > http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/ > > Posted on Feb 26, 2007 > > By Chris Hedges > > I can?t imagine why Ralph Nader would run again. > He has been branded as an egomaniac, blacklisted > by the media, plunged into debt by a Democratic > Party machine that challenged his ballot access > petitions and locked him out of the presidential > debates. Most of his friends and supporters have > abandoned him, and he is almost universally > reviled for throwing the 2000 election to George > W. Bush. > > I can?t imagine why he would want to go through > this one more time. But when Nader hinted in San > Francisco that he might run if Sen. Hillary > Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party > nominee, I knew I would be working for his > campaign if he indeed entered the race. He > understands that American democracy has become a > consumer fraud and that if we do not do battle > with the corporations that, in the name of > globalization, are cannibalizing the country for > profit, our democratic state is doomed. > > I spent the last two years reporting and writing > ?American Fascists: The Christian Right and the > War on America.? The rise of the Christian > right?the most dangerous mass movement in > American history?can be traced directly to the > corporate rape of America. This movement, which > calls for the eradication of real and imagined > enemies, all branded as ?satanic,? at home and > abroad, is an expression of rage. This rage > rises out of the deep distortions and > dislocations that have beset tens of millions of > Americans shunted aside in the new global > marketplace. The massive flight of manufacturing > and professional jobs overseas, the ruthless > slashing of state and federal assistance and the > rise of an unchecked American oligarchy have > plunged many Americans into deep economic and > personal despair. They have turned, because of > this despair, to ?Christian? demagogues who > promise magic, miracles, angels, the gospel of > prosperity and a fantastic Christian utopia. And > the Republicans and the Democrats are equally > culpable for this assault. > > There are only two solutions left. We must > organize to fight the corporate state, to > redirect our national wealth and resources to > fund a massive antipoverty campaign and curb the > cycle of perpetual war that enriches the > military-industrial complex and by extension the > two political parties that dominate Washington, > or we must accept an inevitable Christo-fascism > backed by these corporations. Don?t expect glib > Democratic politicians such as John Edwards, Sen. > Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama to address these > issues. They are, as Nader understands, hostage > to corporate money. > > Nader, perhaps better than anyone else, has > grasped the long, disastrous rise of the > corporate state. > > He and his small army of activists helped write > citizen legislation in the 1960s and 1970s that > gave us, among many bills, the Clean Air Act, the > Mine and Health Safety Act and the Freedom of > Information Act. He worked with and was courted > by sympathetic Democrats. Presidential candidate > George McGovern saw him as a potential running > mate, but Nader refused to be enticed directly > into the political arena. He was a skilled > Washington insider, one of the greatest idealists > within the democratic system. > > But the corporations grew tired of Nader?s > activism. They mounted a well-oiled campaign to > destroy him. These early attempts were clumsy > and amateurish, such as General Motor?s use of > private detectives to try to dig up dirt on his > private life; they found none. The campaign was > exposed and led to a public apology by GM. Nader > was awarded $425,000 in damages, which he used to > fund citizen action groups. > > Lewis Powell, who was the general counsel to the > U.S. Chamber of Commerce and would later be > appointed to the Supreme Court, wrote a memo in > August 1971 that expressed corporate concerns. > ?The single most effective antagonist of American > business is Ralph Nader,? the memo read, ?a > legend in his own time and an idol to millions of > Americans. ... There should be no hesitation to > attack [Nader and others].? > > Corporations poured hundreds of millions into the > assault. They set up pseudo-think tanks, such as > the Heritage Foundation, which invented bogus > disciplines including cost-benefit and > risk-management analysis, all geared to change > the debate from health, labor and safety issues > to the rising cost of big government. They ran > sophisticated ad campaigns to beguile voters. > These corporations wrenched apart, through lavish > campaign donations and intensive and shady > lobbying, the ties between Nader?s public > interest groups and his supporters in the > Democratic Party. Washington, by the time they > were done, was besieged with 25,000 corporate > lobbyists and 9,000 corporate action committees. > > When Ronald Reagan, the corporate pitch man, > swept into office he set out to dismantle some 30 > governmental regulations, most put into place by > Nader and his allies, all of which curbed the > abuse of corporations. The Reagan White House > worked to gut 20 years of Nader legislation. > And, once a fixture on Capital Hill, Nader became > a pariah. > > Nader, however, did not give up. He turned to > local community organizing, assisting grass-roots > campaigns around the country such the one to > remove benzene, known to cause cancer, from paint > in GM car plants. But by the time Bill Clinton > and Al Gore took office the corporate state was > ascendant. Nader and his citizen committees were > frozen out by Democrats as well as Republicans. > Clinton and Gore never met with him. > > ?We tried every way to get the Democrats to pick > up on issues that really commanded the felt > concerns and daily life of millions of > Americans,? Nader says in the new documentary > about his life, ?An Unreasonable Man,? ?but these > were issues that corporations didn?t want > attention paid to, and so when people say why did > you do this in 2000, I say I?m a 20-year veteran > of pursuing the folly of the least worse between > the two parties.? > > The Clinton administration pushed through NAFTA, > gutted welfare, gave up on universal healthcare, > deregulated the communications industry and > abolished federal aid to families with dependent > children. It further empowered the growing > corporate state and exacerbated the despair that > has fueled its allies in the Christian right. > > ?For 20 years,? Nader says in the film, ?we saw > the doors closing on us in Washington, on our > citizen groups and a lot of other citizen groups, > and what are we here for? To improve the > country. We couldn?t get congressional hearings, > even with the Democrats in charge.? > > There is a fascinating rage?and rage is the right > word?expressed by many on the left in this fine > film about Nader. Todd Gitlin, Eric Alterman and > Michael Moore, along with a host of former > Nader?s Raiders, spit out venomous insults toward > Nader, a man they profess to have once admired, > the most common charge being that Nader is a > victim of his oversized ego. > > This anger is the anger of the betrayed. But > they were not betrayed by Nader. They betrayed > themselves. They allowed themselves to buy into > the facile argument of ?the least worse? and > ignore the deeper, subterranean assault on our > democracy that Nader has always addressed. > > It was an incompetent, corporatized Democratic > Party, along with the orchestrated fraud by the > Republican Party, that threw the 2000 election to > Bush, not Ralph Nader. Nader received only 2.7 > percent of the vote in 2000 and got less than > one-half of 1 percent in 2004. All of the > third-party candidates who ran in 2000 in > Florida?there were about half a dozen of them?got > more votes than the 537-vote difference between > Bush and Gore. Why not go after the other > third-party candidates? And what about the 10 > million Democrats who voted in 2000 for Bush? > What about Gore, whose campaign was so timid and > empty?he never mentioned global warming?that he > could not carry his home state of Tennessee? And > what about the 2004 cartoon-like candidate, John > Kerry, who got up like a Boy Scout and told us he > was reporting for duty and would bring us > ?victory? in Iraq? > > Nader argues that there are few?he never said > no?differences between the Democrats and the > Republicans. And during the first four years of > the Bush administration the Democrats proved him > right. They authorized the war in Iraq. They > stood by as Bush stacked the judiciary with > ?Christian? ideologues. They let Bush, in > violation of the Constitution, pump hundreds of > millions of taxpayer dollars into faith-based > organizations that discriminate based on belief > and sexual orientation and openly proselytize. > They stood by as American children got fleeced by > No Child Left Behind. Democrats did not protest > when federal agencies began to propagate > ?Christian? pseudo-science about creationism, > reproductive rights and homosexuality. And the > Democrats let Bush further dismantle regulatory > agencies, strip American citizens of > constitutional rights under the Patriot Act and > other draconian legislation, and thrust > impoverished Americans aside through the > corporate-sponsored bankruptcy bill. It is a > stunning record. > > Bush is the worst president in American history. > If Gore, or Kerry, had the spine to take him on, > to challenge corporate welfare, corporate crime, > the hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate > bailouts and issues such as labor law reform, if > either had actually stood up to these corporate > behemoths on behalf of the working and middle > class, rather than mutter thought-terminating > clich?s about American greatness, he could have > won with a landslide. But Gore and Kerry did not > dare to piss off their corporate paymasters. > > There are a few former associates in the film who > argue that Nader is tarnishing his legacy, and by > extension their own legacy. But Nader?s legacy > is undiminished. He fights his wars against > corporate greed with a remarkable consistency. > He knows our democratic state is being hijacked > by the same corporate interests that sold us > unsafe automobiles and dangerous and shoddy > products. This is a battle not for some > unachievable ideal but to save our democracy. > > ?I don?t care about my personal legacy,? Nader > says in the film. ?I care about how much justice > is advanced in America and in our world day after > day. I?m willing to sacrifice whatever > ?reputation? in the cause of that effort. What > is my legacy? Are they going to turn around and > rip out seat belts out of cars, air bags out of > cars?? > > These corporations, and their enraged and > manipulated followers in the Christian right, > tens of millions of them, if left unchecked will > propel us into despotism. The corporate state > has rigged our system, hollowed out our political > process and steadily stripped citizens of > constitutional rights, federal and state > protection and assistance. This may be the > twilight of American democracy. And it is better > to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to > fight at all. > > Chris Hedges? latest book is ?American Fascists: > The Christian Right and the War on America.? > -- > NOW PLAYING AT YOUR LOCAL MARXIST CINEMA: "DR. > STRANGELEFT, OR, HOW I STOPPED WORRYING AND > LEARNED TO LOVE THE BOMBERS". > > > "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully > as when they do it from religious conviction" (B. > Pascal) > > "We are already fighting World War III and I am > sorry to say we are winning. It is the war > against the earth".....Raymond Dasmann > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Wed Feb 28 19:22:34 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:22:34 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Obama - Nader Message-ID: OK, I'm gonna set the record for how fast you can get thrown off Daily Kos for trolling. There is no spoiler effect ! Bwahahahahahaha!! Cameron From tnharter at ispwest.com Wed Feb 28 21:07:22 2007 From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:07:22 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Sites? References: 8C9296351153400-1D30-9A6@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com Message-ID: <45E65F8A.3060802@ispwest.com> alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > > > California is the biggest state in the union, the world's fifth or > sixth largest economy. We've got issues on the scale of many > independent sovereign nations. Yet, even the West Coast-based > "progressives" obsess over Washington gossip. It's ridiculous, but > understandable if you're a hyper-partisan Democrat since the > Democratic Party in this big "blue" state is totally dysfunctional. I've noticed that California has blue counties and red counties. I'd like Santa Clara County to be the State's first Green County. > > Have you noticed all of a sudden it's real trendy to use the word > "Green." It's "Green this" and "Green that" but the GREEN PARTY is > still verboten. > I've noticed there is A LOT more organic food at Safeway then there used to be... -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added, low on the page, a picture of a Montana quarter. From alexcathy at aol.com Wed Feb 28 21:10:14 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges In-Reply-To: <45E6113D.5000800@charter.net> References: <45E6113D.5000800@charter.net> Message-ID: <8C929D707EBB59A-13A4-34F3@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, I've been involved as an amateur in "Lefty" political causes off-and-on for thirty years and, I swear, I've spent at least 30% pleading for unity and politeness and sensitivity WITHIN the ranks of the folks I've worked with. One of the things I LIKE about the Green Party is that, thanks to our rules about "Vibe Watchers" I've seen fewer food-fights at Green Party meetings than almost any political group I can think of (don't get me started on all the civil rights meetings I've been to where somebody starts off with a nice, friendly "Brother..." before proceeding into a tirade that would make a Marine drill sergeant blush). I agree with about 90% with Lorna's general political analysis. I have a problem with the "vibes." -----Original Message----- From: wrolley at charter.net To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 3:33 PM . . . Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of Ralph Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done is reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal to address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his forty-year career. In this respect they are representatives of the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been to indulge in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the last refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals. . . . We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left, whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist system they profess to hate. . . . ----End Original Message---- So far, so good. I am almost amazed (and somewhat amused) when commentators start off denouncing others for "personal attacks," ideological rigidity, and sectarianism just before describing people who disagree with them even sightly as not only wrong but a "scoundrel" as well! -----Original Message----- From: wrolley at charter.net To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 3:33 PM . . . Horror of horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of power by....choke.....AMERICANS! I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I understand their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly progressive wash painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever propaganda that distracted people from the fundamental problems by focusing on their symptoms instead of their causes. . . . ----End Original Message---- Saying gratuitously mean things about Michael Moore and Medea Benjamin is EXACTLY equivalent to the gratuitously mean stuff that Gitlin and Alterman say about Nader. Medea Benjamin is a WORLD-FAMOUS antiwar and anti-globalization activist. What "positions of power" in the Green Party is she so worried about losing. That's just ridiculous. I loved "Roger and me." I loved "Bowling for Columbine." I loved "Fahrenheit 911." I loved "Stupid White Men" (though one can discern from this commentary why Lorna does not). I love Michael Moore. Enough said. Notice how about 200 years of African-American radical agitation over everything from the American Revolution to abolition to to women's rights to tax revolts to rural populism to trade unionism to pacifism to socialism is casually and flippantly dismissed as nothing more than the desire to get "a piece of the wealth." I know enough about Lorna to know this person is no racist. This is just an attempt to be flippant... to be "cool." But it's not helpful. Which is precisely my point. By the way, while I have the floor. I have the same objection to this legalistic argument about whether or not we cannot nominate Ralph Nader and how we'll be s-o-o-o-o much better off as a "post-Nader" Green Party (I am sorry to say, I see absolutely no evidence to support this -- the pace of Green Party registrations is way down from what it was when Nader peaked in 2000 ). Here again, even this subtle, teeny, tiny bit of gratuitous meaness is unecessary. Mr. Nader is 73 years old (I'm tired now and I'm only 57). I cannot believe the man will choose to put himself through another grueling national campaign but if he does then we'ill deal with it. In the meanwhile, I for one, am not about to countenance, of all things, any gratuitous Nader-bashing. As far as I am concerned all those who have dared to take a high-profile stand on the Green Party line against the Democratic Party Machine are ALL heroines and heroes: Ralph Nader, Wynona LaDuke, Peter Camejo, Matt Gonzalez, Mike Feinstein, Donna Warren, Todd Chretien, Carol Brouillet, Pat Gray, Aimee Allison are ALL heroines and heroes for speaking truth to power. Every one. Just this morning Cathy saw a little mention in the Los Angeles Times of San Jose Assemblyman Joe Coto. Ah! yes, "Teflon Joe" -- the man who ran the East Side Union High School District and then, like Condi Rice, was rewarded for his gross incompetence by a "promotion" to the California State Assembly. The whole world knows that San Jose's powerful Democratic Mayor Ron Gonzalez was a sleazebag and a crook (anybody remember Ron Gonzalez?). I, for one, will never forget how Warner Bloomberg, with no big endorsements, no money, almost no organization walked alone through the wilderness in opposition to those crooks. Never forget it! We do not need to throw mud at each other. Alex Walker ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 22:53:02 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:53:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."] In-Reply-To: <799197.38978.qm@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <649405.8689.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Thing is he won't be running on any party ticket. Independent. End of story. Vote Green for Change! Drew --- Bob Alavi wrote: > The comments and passage seem to generally make sense. Thanks! > > Ralph Nader, in my opinion, has been the number one PUBLIC SERVANT > in the country, if there were any such thing; in a true sense of the > word. > > Chances are if he ran on any party's ticket, he'd have my vote. > > Don't particularly care for any form of religious fundamentalism > either. > > :) > > Wes Rolley wrote: > I am forwarding Lorna Salzman's comments regarding the Chris Hedges > > piece on Nader that has been referenced several times recently. > Whether > you agree with Lorna on everything, and I certainly do not, her > comments > here are worth reading and her passion is undeniable. > __ Lorn'a note follows __ > > Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of > Ralph > Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done > is > reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal to > address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his > forty-year > career. In this respect they are representatives of the Democratic > Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been to > indulge > in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation that > Nader > has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the > last > refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals. > > Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of > corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and its > > apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can deny > > this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but > diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to > deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not one > of > them has come up with a single example of the Democratic Party's > vaunted > progressivism and achievements. For those with short memories, Hedges > > reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it would easily fit > onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon, Clinton was > a > neo-con. > > We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who > distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the > character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly > > accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped > into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left, > whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist > system > they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has been > articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some > environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and > occasionally > some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups like blacks > and > Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive principled movement > combining the best of these has not been attempted, at least not yet. > > These movements talk past one another, out of competition and > compulsive > ideologies that they as yet refuse to abandon. > > The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed above, > > have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism, materialism, > > growth, development, all of which are not only ecologically > disastrous > but which fit neatly into the plan of corporations. Black Americans, > for > the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; they don't want to > break > the golden egg laid by the capitalist goose. Their major > accomplishment > has been to persuade non-blacks and paleoliberals that the biggest > problems facing America are racism and poverty. > > Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But isnt > it > dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the American > dream > of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth that has DEPRIVED > so > many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it > obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and Democrats to > confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and > anti-environmental character of American society has contributed to > poverty and racial/economic injustice? > > How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to > liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is > amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And > that > only a full frontal attack on the system, including its electoral > configuration, will address the problem? This is at the heart of the > problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and economic > injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of the > SUCCESS > of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not out of its > FAILURE. > > Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most > prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual > leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity Politics > > and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the > present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in > 2000, > Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green Party > line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most > exaggerated > count, three hundred thousand members, this means that over 2 1/2 > million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were non-greens; they > were > Democrats, Republicans, independents, conservatives, and > libertarians. > They were that potential green constituency that lay out there, ripe > for > the picking, which the Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized > > could be the future decision-making body in the party. Horror of > horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the > paleoliberals, > the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators > > like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of > power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier? > > I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I understand > > their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted > phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed > themselves > as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly progressive wash > painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever propaganda > > that distracted people from the fundamental problems by focusing on > their symptoms instead of their causes. > And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and > exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still > doesn't make them right. > > Lorna Salzman > > > -- > > I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. > Knowing is not enough; we must apply. > Being willing is not enough; > We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci > Wesley C. Rolley > 17211 Quail Court > Morgan Hill, CA 95037 > (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com > > Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:19:55 -0500 > To: esalzman at aba.org > From: Lorna Salzman > Subject: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of > American > democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than > not to fight at all." > > Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance > of Ralph Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they > have done is reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing > refusal to address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of > his forty-year career. In this respect they are representatives of > the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense > has been to indulge in personal attacks, with preference given to the > accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does this mean? > Absolutely nothing. It is the last refuge of scoundrels and civil > society criminals. > > > Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of > corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and its > apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can deny > this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but > diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to > deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not one > of them has come up with a single example of the Democratic Party's > vaunted progressivism and achievements. For those with short > memories, Hedges reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it > would easily fit onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to > Nixon, Clinton was a neo-con. > > > We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who > distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the > character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly > accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped > into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left, > whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist > system they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has > been articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some > environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and > occasionally some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups > like blacks and Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive > principled movement combining the best of these has not been > attempted, at least not yet. These movements talk past one another, > out of competition and compulsive ideologies that they as yet refuse > to abandon. > > > The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed > above, have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism, > materialism, growth, development, all of which are not only > ecologically disastrous but which fit neatly into the plan of > corporations. Black Americans, for the most part, just want a piece > of the wealth; they don't want to break the golden egg laid by the > capitalist goose. Their major accomplishment has been to persuade > non-blacks and paleoliberals that the biggest problems facing > America are racism and poverty. > > > Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But > isnt it dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the > American dream of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth > that has DEPRIVED so many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and > dignity? Isn't it obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and > Democrats to confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and > anti-environmental character of American society has contributed to > poverty and racial/economic injustice? > > > How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to > liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is > amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And > that only a full frontal attack on the system, including its > electoral configuration, will address the problem? This is at the > heart of the problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and > economic injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of > the SUCCESS of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not > out of its FAILURE. > > > Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most > prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual > leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity Politics > and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the > present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in > 2000, Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green > Party line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most > exaggerated count, three hundred thousand members, this means that > over 2 1/2 million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were > non-greens; they were Democrats, Republicans, independents, > conservatives, and libertarians. They were that potential green > constituency that lay out there, ripe for the picking, which the > Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized could be the future > decision-making body in the party. Horror of horrors! The Greens in > Dem clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the > self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators > like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of > power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier? > > > I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I > understand their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as > chicken=hearted phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have > revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the > faintly progressive wash painted over the cynical Democrats, and > promoted by clever propaganda that distracted people from the > fundamental problems by focusing on their symptoms instead of their > causes. > And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and > exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still > doesn't make them right. > > > Lorna Salzman > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Funiciello Sent: Monday, > February 26, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may > be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up > and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all." > Chris Hedges Says He'll Work For Nader in 2008! When the book, > "War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning" came out, intellectuals and > peace activists alike flocked to it. It was intelligent, > well-reasoned and written by a true craftsman with some truly > horrific war stories to tell and a keen eye to analyze the costs for > all concerned. Hedges says that he will work for Ralph Nader in 2008 > if he runs again (he will). In Hedge's article, he talks about the > corporate rape of our government and how Nader is one of the only > national figures to recognize this and to speak openly about the > corrupt corporate ownership of our nation. He notes that someone with > Ralph's incredible resume must have only entered the public arena to > fight the "rapists" after their purchase of the Republican Lite Party > back in the 1980's and this presumes that those who further the "ego > trip" theory are just buying into propaganda for those too limited > intellectually to think for themselves. Thank > you Chris Hedges for being brave enough to tell the truth! I > sincerely hope that the "propaganda-eaters" don't malign and abuse > you for telling the truth, though I suspect they will. They don't > appreciate the truth at all and they don't like to talk about it > either. On a similar topic, I spent half a day on "Democratic > Underground" about a month ago and was kicked off (with absolutely no > explanation). For those unfamiliar, DU is a website with many forums > to discuss "progressive" issues, like who you like better, Gore or > Hillary. They also enjoy talking about which pro-war Democratic > candidate they should vote for to end the war. Not exactly a hotbed > of rational thought .... but they're Democrats. What do you expect? > The "progressives" I was chatting with were discussing the new > Nader film, "An Unreasonable Man". They were literally calling Ralph > an "idiot", "a fucking asshole" and a "scumbag". I can only assume > that this Democrat venom is residual from the 2000 > presidential run although none of these idiots could explain their > way out of a paper bag nor do they feel that they owe me, their > enemy, any explanation. In their minds, Nader was that guy who was > "not a factor" when they mailed out all the debate invitations but > who became the "ONLY factor" when Al Gore ran such a weak-assed > campaign that he lost his own home state and Clinton's, too! All I > did on the forum with a particularly stupid chatter was call Hillary > a "fascist". I backed that up by asking how someone can support the > Imperialist/Big Oil/Ruling Class agenda and vote for illegal > occupation and genocide and also refuse to debate your legitimate > opponents, Tasini and Hawkins? I may have also pointed out to a few > Nader-haters that there were many other third party candidates on the > ballot in Florida in that infamous election and that EVERY SINGLE ONE > OF THEM had enough votes to "spoil it" for Gore. Using the Dems own > questionable math skills, shouldn't they be > propagandizing against all of those candidates! Why have they > persisted in vilifying only ONE guy, especially when that one guy has > done more for them than any elected official has ever done? I > guess they don't like having a conversation or they're just > frightened that their "logic" doesn't make any sense? Very strange > behavior, indeed. These "sheeple" who call themselves progressives > lack even a basic willingness to try and defend their viewpoint and > their blind obedience to their party bosses. This fearful behavior > fortifies me in my certitude that Ralph is right and that we need to > support him in whatever number of elections he may choose to run in. > Peace to all those with open minds who are brave enough to stand > up and fight! ;-) Matt Matt Funiciello > mattfuniciello at earthlink.net Two Political Parties = One Massive > Corporation > Pariah or Prophet? > > http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/ > Posted on Feb 26, 2007 > By Chris Hedges > I can?t imagine why Ralph Nader would run again. He has been > branded as an egomaniac, blacklisted by the media, plunged into debt > by a Democratic Party machine that challenged his ballot access > petitions and locked him out of the presidential debates. Most of his > friends and supporters have abandoned him, and he is almost > universally reviled for throwing the 2000 election to George W. Bush. > I can?t imagine why he would want to go through this one more time. > But when Nader hinted in San Francisco that he might run if Sen. > Hillary Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party nominee, I knew I > would be working for his campaign if he indeed entered the race. He > understands that American democracy has become a consumer fraud and > that if we do not do battle with the corporations that, in the name > of globalization, are cannibalizing the country for profit, our > democratic state is doomed. > I spent the last two years reporting and writing ?American > Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.? The rise of > the Christian right?the most dangerous mass movement in American > history?can be traced directly to the corporate rape of America. > This movement, which calls for the eradication of real and imagined > enemies, all branded as ?satanic,? at home and abroad, is an > expression of rage. This rage rises out of the deep distortions and > dislocations that have beset tens of millions of Americans shunted > aside in the new global marketplace. The massive flight of > manufacturing and professional jobs overseas, the ruthless slashing > of state and federal assistance and the rise of an unchecked American > oligarchy have plunged many Americans into deep economic and personal > despair. They have turned, because of this despair, to ?Christian? > demagogues who promise magic, miracles, angels, the gospel of > prosperity and a fantastic Christian utopia. And the Republicans > and the Democrats are equally culpable for this assault. > There are only two solutions left. We must organize to fight the > corporate state, to redirect our national wealth and resources to > fund a massive antipoverty campaign and curb the cycle of perpetual > war that enriches the military-industrial complex and by extension > the two political parties that dominate Washington, or we must accept > an inevitable Christo-fascism backed by these corporations. Don?t > expect glib Democratic politicians such as John Edwards, Sen. Clinton > and Sen. Barack Obama to address these issues. They are, as Nader > understands, hostage to corporate money. > Nader, perhaps better than anyone else, has grasped the long, > disastrous rise of the corporate state. > He and his small army of activists helped write citizen legislation > in the 1960s and 1970s that gave us, among many bills, the Clean Air > Act, the Mine and Health Safety Act and the Freedom of Information > Act. He worked with and was courted by sympathetic Democrats. > Presidential candidate George McGovern saw him as a potential running > mate, but Nader refused to be enticed directly into the political > arena. He was a skilled Washington insider, one of the greatest > idealists within the democratic system. > But the corporations grew tired of Nader?s activism. They mounted > a well-oiled campaign to destroy him. These early attempts were > clumsy and amateurish, such as General Motor?s use of private > detectives to try to dig up dirt on his private life; they found > none. The campaign was exposed and led to a public apology by GM. > Nader was awarded $425,000 in damages, which he used to fund citizen > action groups. > Lewis Powell, who was the general counsel to the U.S. Chamber of > Commerce and would later be appointed to the Supreme Court, wrote a > memo in August 1971 that expressed corporate concerns. ?The single > most effective antagonist of American business is Ralph Nader,? the > memo read, ?a legend in his own time and an idol to millions of > Americans. ... There should be no hesitation to attack [Nader and > others].? > Corporations poured hundreds of millions into the assault. They > set up pseudo-think tanks, such as the Heritage Foundation, which > invented bogus disciplines including cost-benefit and risk-management > analysis, all geared to change the debate from health, labor and > safety issues to the rising cost of big government. They ran > sophisticated ad campaigns to beguile voters. These corporations > wrenched apart, through lavish campaign donations and intensive and > shady lobbying, the ties between Nader?s public interest groups and > his supporters in the Democratic Party. Washington, by the time they > were done, was besieged with 25,000 corporate lobbyists and 9,000 > corporate action committees. > When Ronald Reagan, the corporate pitch man, swept into office he > set out to dismantle some 30 governmental regulations, most put into > place by Nader and his allies, all of which curbed the abuse of > corporations. The Reagan White House worked to gut 20 years of Nader > legislation. And, once a fixture on Capital Hill, Nader became a > pariah. > Nader, however, did not give up. He turned to local community > organizing, assisting grass-roots campaigns around the country such > the one to remove benzene, known to cause cancer, from paint in GM > car plants. But by the time Bill Clinton and Al Gore took office the > corporate state was ascendant. Nader and his citizen committees were > frozen out by Democrats as well as Republicans. Clinton and Gore > never met with him. > ?We tried every way to get the Democrats to pick up on issues that > really commanded the felt concerns and daily life of millions of > Americans,? Nader says in the new documentary about his life, ?An > Unreasonable Man,? ?but these were issues that corporations didn?t > want attention paid to, and so when people say why did you do this in > 2000, I say I?m a 20-year veteran of pursuing the folly of the least > worse between the two parties.? > The Clinton administration pushed through NAFTA, gutted welfare, > gave up on universal healthcare, deregulated the communications > industry and abolished federal aid to families with dependent > children. It further empowered the growing corporate state and > exacerbated the despair that has fueled its allies in the Christian > right. > ?For 20 years,? Nader says in the film, ?we saw the doors closing > on us in Washington, on our citizen groups and a lot of other citizen > groups, and what are we here for? To improve the country. We > couldn?t get congressional hearings, even with the Democrats in > charge.? > There is a fascinating rage?and rage is the right word?expressed by > many on the left in this fine film about Nader. Todd Gitlin, Eric > Alterman and Michael Moore, along with a host of former Nader?s > Raiders, spit out venomous insults toward Nader, a man they profess > to have once admired, the most common charge being that Nader is a > victim of his oversized ego. > This anger is the anger of the betrayed. But they were not > betrayed by Nader. They betrayed themselves. They allowed > themselves to buy into the facile argument of ?the least worse? and > ignore the deeper, subterranean assault on our democracy that Nader > has always addressed. > It was an incompetent, corporatized Democratic Party, along with > the orchestrated fraud by the Republican Party, that threw the 2000 > election to Bush, not Ralph Nader. Nader received only 2.7 percent > of the vote in 2000 and got less than one-half of 1 percent in 2004. > All of the third-party candidates who ran in 2000 in Florida?there > were about half a dozen of them?got more votes than the 537-vote > difference between Bush and Gore. Why not go after the other > third-party candidates? And what about the 10 million Democrats who > voted in 2000 for Bush? What about Gore, whose campaign was so timid > and empty?he never mentioned global warming?that he could not carry > his home state of Tennessee? And what about the 2004 cartoon-like > candidate, John Kerry, who got up like a Boy Scout and told us he was > reporting for duty and would bring us ?victory? in Iraq? > Nader argues that there are few?he never said no?differences > between the Democrats and the Republicans. And during the first four > years of the Bush administration the Democrats proved him right. > They authorized the war in Iraq. They stood by as Bush stacked the > judiciary with ?Christian? ideologues. They let Bush, in violation > of the Constitution, pump hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars > into faith-based organizations that discriminate based on belief and > sexual orientation and openly proselytize. They stood by as American > children got fleeced by No Child Left Behind. Democrats did not > protest when federal agencies began to propagate ?Christian? > pseudo-science about creationism, reproductive rights and > homosexuality. And the Democrats let Bush further dismantle > regulatory agencies, strip American citizens of constitutional rights > under the Patriot Act and other draconian legislation, and thrust > impoverished Americans aside through the corporate-sponsored > bankruptcy bill. It is a stunning record. > > Bush is the worst president in American history. If Gore, or Kerry, > had the spine to take him on, to challenge corporate welfare, > corporate crime, the hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate > bailouts and issues such as labor law reform, if either had actually > stood up to these corporate behemoths on behalf of the working and > middle class, rather than mutter thought-terminating clich?s about > American greatness, he could have won with a landslide. But Gore and > Kerry did not dare to piss off their corporate paymasters. > There are a few former associates in the film who argue that Nader > is tarnishing his legacy, and by extension their own legacy. But > Nader?s legacy is undiminished. He fights his wars against corporate > greed with a remarkable consistency. He knows our democratic state > is being hijacked by the same corporate interests that sold us unsafe > automobiles and dangerous and shoddy products. This is a battle not > for some unachievable ideal but to save our democracy. > ?I don?t care about my personal legacy,? Nader says in the film. > ?I care about how much justice is advanced in America and in our > world day after day. I?m willing to sacrifice whatever ?reputation? > in the cause of that effort. What is my legacy? Are they going to > turn around and rip out seat belts out of cars, air bags out of > cars?? > These corporations, and their enraged and manipulated followers in > the Christian right, tens of millions of them, if left unchecked will > propel us into despotism. The corporate state has rigged our system, > hollowed out our political process and steadily stripped citizens of > constitutional rights, federal and state protection and assistance. > This may be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to > stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all. > Chris Hedges? latest book is ?American Fascists: The Christian > Right and the War on America.? > -- > NOW PLAYING AT YOUR LOCAL MARXIST CINEMA: "DR. STRANGELEFT, OR, HOW > I STOPPED WORRYING AND LEARNED TO LOVE THE BOMBERS". > > > > "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it > from religious conviction" (B. Pascal) > > "We are already fighting World War III and I am sorry to say we are > winning. It is the war against the earth".....Raymond Dasmann > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.> _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 22:59:40 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:59:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges In-Reply-To: <8C929D707EBB59A-13A4-34F3@FWM-D29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <994635.2094.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> I agree that we Greens do a better than average (at least compared to Lefties) of working together with less conflict. We can do even better though. I love the idea of 'Vibes Watchers' but I don't think the idea is adequately developed to be fully effective. I'd like to see it become more effective. And by the way its simply a fact that we are in the post Nader era of the Green Party. I've spent major amounts of time with Greens all across the country and taken the temperature and there is simply no interest in nominating someone who doesn't even want to be nominated and who doesn't want to join and help build up the Green Parties. Nada. So my advice is, move on to people who actually do have a chance to gain our nomination. Power to The People! Drew --- alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Green Friends, > > I've been involved as an amateur in "Lefty" political causes > off-and-on for thirty years and, I swear, I've spent at least 30% > pleading for unity and politeness and sensitivity WITHIN the ranks of > the folks I've worked with. One of the things I LIKE about the Green > Party is that, thanks to our rules about "Vibe Watchers" I've seen > fewer food-fights at Green Party meetings than almost any political > group I can think of (don't get me started on all the civil rights > meetings I've been to where somebody starts off with a nice, friendly > "Brother..." before proceeding into a tirade that would make a Marine > drill sergeant blush). > > I agree with about 90% with Lorna's general political analysis. > > I have a problem with the "vibes." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wrolley at charter.net > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 3:33 PM > > . . . > > Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of > Ralph Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have > done is reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing > refusal to address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of > his forty-year career. In this respect they are representatives of > the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense > has been to indulge in personal attacks, with preference given to the > accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does this mean? > Absolutely nothing. It is the last refuge of scoundrels and civil > society criminals. > > . . . > > We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who > distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the > character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly > accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped > into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left, > whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist > system they profess to hate. > > . . . > > ----End Original Message---- > > > So far, so good. > > I am almost amazed (and somewhat amused) when commentators start off > denouncing others for "personal attacks," ideological rigidity, and > sectarianism just before describing people who disagree with them > even sightly as not only wrong but a "scoundrel" as well! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wrolley at charter.net > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Sent: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 3:33 PM > > . . . > > Horror of horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the > paleoliberals, the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, > the infiltrators like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from > their positions of power by....choke.....AMERICANS! > > I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I > understand their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as > chicken=hearted phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have > revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the > faintly progressive wash painted over the cynical Democrats, and > promoted by clever propaganda that distracted people from the > fundamental problems by focusing on their symptoms instead of their > causes. > > . . . > > ----End Original Message---- > > > Saying gratuitously mean things about Michael Moore and Medea > Benjamin is EXACTLY equivalent to the gratuitously mean stuff that > Gitlin and Alterman say about Nader. > > Medea Benjamin is a WORLD-FAMOUS antiwar and anti-globalization > activist. What "positions of power" in the Green Party is she so > worried about losing. That's just ridiculous. > > I loved "Roger and me." I loved "Bowling for Columbine." I loved > "Fahrenheit 911." I loved "Stupid White Men" (though one can discern > from this commentary why Lorna does not). > > I love Michael Moore. Enough said. > > Notice how about 200 years of African-American radical agitation > over everything from the American Revolution to abolition to to > women's rights to tax revolts to rural populism to trade unionism to > pacifism to socialism is casually and flippantly dismissed as nothing > more than the desire to get "a piece of the wealth." I know enough > about Lorna to know this person is no racist. This is just an attempt > to be flippant... to be "cool." But it's not helpful. Which is > precisely my point. > > By the way, while I have the floor. I have the same objection to > this legalistic argument about whether or not we cannot nominate > Ralph Nader and how we'll be s-o-o-o-o much better off as a > "post-Nader" Green Party (I am sorry to say, I see absolutely no > evidence to support this -- the pace of Green Party registrations is > way down from what it was when Nader peaked in 2000 ). > > Here again, even this subtle, teeny, tiny bit of gratuitous meaness > is unecessary. Mr. Nader is 73 years old (I'm tired now and I'm only > 57). I cannot believe the man will choose to put himself through > another grueling national campaign but if he does then we'ill deal > with it. In the meanwhile, I for one, am not about to countenance, of > all things, any gratuitous Nader-bashing. > > As far as I am concerned all those who have dared to take a > high-profile stand on the Green Party line against the Democratic > Party Machine are ALL heroines and heroes: Ralph Nader, Wynona > LaDuke, Peter Camejo, Matt Gonzalez, Mike Feinstein, Donna Warren, > Todd Chretien, Carol Brouillet, Pat Gray, Aimee Allison are ALL > heroines and heroes for speaking truth to power. Every one. > > Just this morning Cathy saw a little mention in the Los Angeles > Times of San Jose Assemblyman Joe Coto. Ah! yes, "Teflon Joe" -- the > man who ran the East Side Union High School District and then, like > Condi Rice, was rewarded for his gross incompetence by a "promotion" > to the California State Assembly. The whole world knows that San > Jose's powerful Democratic Mayor Ron Gonzalez was a sleazebag and a > crook (anybody remember Ron Gonzalez?). I, for one, will never forget > how Warner Bloomberg, with no big endorsements, no money, almost no > organization walked alone through the wilderness in opposition to > those crooks. > > Never forget it! > > We do not need to throw mud at each other. > > > Alex Walker > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From jamboi at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 23:04:20 2007 From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:04:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Sites? In-Reply-To: <45E65F8A.3060802@ispwest.com> Message-ID: <453049.75593.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com> I totally agree with Tian. Its my goal that Santa Clara County become the state's (and perhaps the country's) first Green county. We CAN do it. We are doing it. Join in with us. Or watch it happen, but either way that's where we're going. And I agree with Tian that even if its hip and chic for people to be small 'g' green these days, I count every step in the positive direction as a step in the positive direction, period. I don't give a care whether we initiated it or not. Fact is we will get LOTS of credit for all of the hard spade work we've been doing all these years because we were the visionary ones who were Green when it wasn't popular to be Green. I'm a loud and proud Green! Drew --- Tian Harter wrote: > alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > California is the biggest state in the union, the world's fifth or > > sixth largest economy. We've got issues on the scale of many > > independent sovereign nations. Yet, even the West Coast-based > > "progressives" obsess over Washington gossip. It's ridiculous, but > > > understandable if you're a hyper-partisan Democrat since the > > Democratic Party in this big "blue" state is totally dysfunctional. > > > I've noticed that California has blue counties and red counties. I'd > like Santa Clara County to be the State's first Green County. > > > > > Have you noticed all of a sudden it's real trendy to use the word > > "Green." It's "Green this" and "Green that" but the GREEN PARTY is > > > still verboten. > > > I've noticed there is A LOT more organic food at Safeway then there > used > to be... > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > Latest change: Added, low on the page, a picture of a Montana > quarter. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > ___________________ JamBoi Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon) http://dailyJam.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html