From MLause at cinci.rr.com  Thu Mar  1 07:49:02 2007
From: MLause at cinci.rr.com (Mark Lause)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:49:02 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <994635.2094.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c75c19$236507f0$b5ff4347@downstairspc>

JamBoi wrote, "its simply a fact that we are in the post Nader era of the
Green Party.  I've spent major amounts of time with Greens all across the
country and taken the temperature and there is simply no interest in
nominating someone who doesn't even want to be nominated and who doesn't
want to join and help build up the Green Parties. Nada."

If I may interject, there are two considerations that really shouldn't be
counterposed.  First, you want the widely-known person you can run who will
do the principles justice.  Second, you want someone who will use the
campaign to build the party as a whole.  Intentions and rhetoric aside, in
2004, those who supported Nader got one and those who supported Cobb got
neither.  The result left the Green Party much worse after 2004 than after
2000.

We need to focus less on old grievances and more on what's doing what's the
best for the Green Party.

Regards,
Mark L.






From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 10:54:38 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:54:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now not then (was Re: Lorna Salzman on Chris
	Hedges)
In-Reply-To: <001a01c75c19$236507f0$b5ff4347@downstairspc>
Message-ID: <270301.5137.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Mark,

I agree.  I have no interest in 'old grievances' or in old candidates
that are now irrelevant.  Kat Swift (TX), Elaine Brown (GA) announced
for President.  Cynthia McKinney (GA) is highly likely to any day now. 
I'm not sure about Kent Mesplay or others. KCM Curry has announced for
Vice President.  That's what now.

Green = GO!

Drew
 
--- Mark Lause <MLause at cinci.rr.com> wrote:

> JamBoi wrote, "its simply a fact that we are in the post Nader era of
> the
> Green Party.  I've spent major amounts of time with Greens all across
> the
> country and taken the temperature and there is simply no interest in
> nominating someone who doesn't even want to be nominated and who
> doesn't
> want to join and help build up the Green Parties. Nada."
> 
> If I may interject, there are two considerations that really
> shouldn't be
> counterposed.  First, you want the widely-known person you can run
> who will
> do the principles justice.  Second, you want someone who will use the
> campaign to build the party as a whole.  Intentions and rhetoric
> aside, in
> 2004, those who supported Nader got one and those who supported Cobb
> got
> neither.  The result left the Green Party much worse after 2004 than
> after
> 2000.
> 
> We need to focus less on old grievances and more on what's doing
> what's the
> best for the Green Party.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark L.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
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> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Thu Mar  1 11:54:32 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:54:32 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
References: 001a01c75c19$236507f0$b5ff4347@downstairspc
Message-ID: <45E72F78.4030300@ispwest.com>

Mark Lause wrote:

>JamBoi wrote, "its simply a fact that we are in the post Nader era of the
>Green Party.  I've spent major amounts of time with Greens all across the
>country and taken the temperature and there is simply no interest in
>nominating someone who doesn't even want to be nominated and who doesn't
>want to join and help build up the Green Parties. Nada."
>
>If I may interject, there are two considerations that really shouldn't be
>counterposed.  First, you want the widely-known person you can run who will
>do the principles justice.  Second, you want someone who will use the
>campaign to build the party as a whole.  Intentions and rhetoric aside, in
>2004, those who supported Nader got one and those who supported Cobb got
>neither.  The result left the Green Party much worse after 2004 than after
>2000.
>  
>
You are right that who our Presidential candidate is has a lot
of impact. However there is ebb and flow in all things, and there
are other markers to consider. For example, just now on the radio
I heard a spot for skiing at Alpine Meadows where they bragged
about running on "100% green power". That didn't come from any
Presidential Candidate. It came from three or four decades of
grass roots activism.

Last evening I was reading the national Green Pages, their rag
about how the Greens are doing in various states. The big win
for 2006 came from Illinois, where the Candidate for Governor
got 10.3% in the fall election. That was a tenth of a point behind
the guy in New Mexico that 10.4% so many years ago. That wouldn't
have happened if Cobb had really been bad for the Green Party.

Yeah, a good Presidential candidate does a lot to grow interest
in the Green Party. When we can get one it's a big boost. However,
I'd rather have a party hack than someone with no interest in
building a grass roots political Party.

>We need to focus less on old grievances and more on what's doing what's the
>best for the Green Party.
>  
>
Can I offer you an organic blue corn chip to dip in the guacamole
I made from a farmers market avocado? (I still think that's a great
blue/green image...)

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added, low on the page, a picture of a Montana quarter.



From MLause at cinci.rr.com  Thu Mar  1 12:30:46 2007
From: MLause at cinci.rr.com (Mark Lause)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:30:46 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <45E72F78.4030300@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c75c40$80e91610$b5ff4347@downstairspc>

Tian Harter wrote, "The big win for 2006 came from Illinois, where the
Candidate for Governor got 10.3% in the fall election. That was a tenth of a
point behind the guy in New Mexico that 10.4% so many years ago. That
wouldn't have happened if Cobb had really been bad for the Green Party."

If these showings had something to do with a national campaign...by Cobb or
Nader or anyone else...the impact would have been evident in other states.
In a coherent national party, our membership in Missouri, Wisconsin and
Indiana would have taken a jump from the Illinois numbers.  They didn't.

I won't be sidetracked into a pointlessly divisive discussion of the Cobb
campaign.  A nationally coherent party would have some realistic balance
sheet on the subject, but I don't think it did much for us on either coast
and it left the Midwestern parties, often not much more than paper parties,
almost comatose....

Tian further wrote, "I'd rather have a party hack than someone with no
interest in building a grass roots political Party."

If we accept these as our choices as our options, we may well wind up doing
so.  That was my point.

And the absence of such a plan to use the campaign to build the party had
more to do with the party's approach than the candidate.

ML






From tnharter at ispwest.com  Thu Mar  1 12:51:31 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:51:31 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <002b01c75c40$80e91610$b5ff4347@downstairspc>
References: <002b01c75c40$80e91610$b5ff4347@downstairspc>
Message-ID: <45E73CD3.3060903@ispwest.com>

Mark Lause wrote:

>Tian Harter wrote, "The big win for 2006 came from Illinois, where the
>Candidate for Governor got 10.3% in the fall election. That was a tenth of a
>point behind the guy in New Mexico that 10.4% so many years ago. That
>wouldn't have happened if Cobb had really been bad for the Green Party."
>
>If these showings had something to do with a national campaign...by Cobb or
>Nader or anyone else...the impact would have been evident in other states.
>In a coherent national party, our membership in Missouri, Wisconsin and
>Indiana would have taken a jump from the Illinois numbers.  They didn't.
>  
>
It's too early to tell on that. The impact of last falls elections
is only now percolating around to the point where it's having
grass roots impact outside the area directly affected by it.

>I won't be sidetracked into a pointlessly divisive discussion of the Cobb
>campaign.  A nationally coherent party would have some realistic balance
>sheet on the subject, but I don't think it did much for us on either coast
>and it left the Midwestern parties, often not much more than paper parties,
>almost comatose....
>  
>
Illinois isn't on either coast. I have a theory that real green activists
stand up when they see a heavy silence on something they know
that their speaking out can change. Almost comatose is easy to
improve on if you do something. I'm hoping somebody out there
decides they want to make a few sparks fly. It's up to them though...

>Tian further wrote, "I'd rather have a party hack than someone with no
>interest in building a grass roots political Party."
>
>If we accept these as our choices as our options, we may well wind up doing
>so.  That was my point.
>
>And the absence of such a plan to use the campaign to build the party had
>more to do with the party's approach than the candidate.
>
If you have a candidate to drag into the arena I'm willing to listen.

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added, low on the page, a picture of a Montana quarter.



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 15:43:17 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:43:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <002b01c75c40$80e91610$b5ff4347@downstairspc>
Message-ID: <875618.23912.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>

If I had to chose (and like Mark I'd rather not), I'd go with Tian's
point of Green Parties person over notoriety every time and fortunately
the leaders in the Green Parties seem fairly united at this point. 
Look for us to nominate a real Green Team that runs a full on campaign
this time round.  

Green means GO!

Drew

--- Mark Lause <MLause at cinci.rr.com> wrote:

> Tian Harter wrote, "The big win for 2006 came from Illinois, where
> the Candidate for Governor got 10.3% in the fall election. That was a
> tenth of a point behind the guy in New Mexico that 10.4% so many
years ago. That
> wouldn't have happened if Cobb had really been bad for the Green
> Party."
> 
> If these showings had something to do with a national campaign...by
> Cobb or Nader or anyone else...the impact would have been evident in
other
> states.
> In a coherent national party, our membership in Missouri, Wisconsin
> and Indiana would have taken a jump from the Illinois numbers.  They
> didn't.
> 
> I won't be sidetracked into a pointlessly divisive discussion of the
> Cobb campaign.  A nationally coherent party would have some realistic
> balance sheet on the subject, but I don't think it did much for us on
either
> coast and it left the Midwestern parties, often not much more than
paper
> parties,  almost comatose....
> 
> Tian further wrote, "I'd rather have a party hack than someone with
> no interest in building a grass roots political Party."
> 
> If we accept these as our choices as our options, we may well wind up
> doing so.  That was my point.
> 
> And the absence of such a plan to use the campaign to build the party
> had more to do with the party's approach than the candidate.
> 
> ML


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 15:53:13 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:53:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <45E73CD3.3060903@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <20070301235313.21476.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>

By the way Mark IMO some of your info is way out of date.   Let's not
merely focus on the vote numbers but take a look at the level of
organization within the state parties, shall we?  By this reckoning the
Wisconsin Green Party was extremely vital in the 2006 election and was
actually one of the leaders in the nation!!!  Illinois was downright
inspirational.  Minnesota showed some real kick to it as did Michigan. 
Missourri is still weak, true and obviously we have a LONG way to go
everywhere, but I *do* think you're way, way under reporting the level
of party organization in the Midwest.

Our national entity has almost no infrastructure.  We have next to no
national PACs.  The GPUS is still extremely undeveloped.  Nevertheless
as we elect a set of real Green Parties candidates for 2008 we're going
to see a magnificent rise in the fortunes of the GPUS.  Mark my words.

Green means GO!

Drew

Mark wrote:
> >In a coherent national party, our membership in Missouri, Wisconsin
and Indiana would have taken a jump from the Illinois numbers.  They
didn't.
> > A nationally coherent party would have some realistic balance sheet
on the subject, but I don't think it did much for us on either coast
and it left the Midwestern parties, often not much more than paper
parties, almost comatose....
 
Tian replied:
> It's too early to tell on that. The impact of last falls elections is
only now percolating around to the point where it's having grass roots
impact outside the area directly affected by it.



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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 16:16:26 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:16:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GPUS: Iraq War is Impeachable,
	Not Just a 'Strategic Blunder'
Message-ID: <852520.98290.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

Our National Party has got this straight!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

Iraq War is Impeachable, Not Just a 'Strategic Blunder'

Green Party of the United States
www.gp.org

Tuesday, February 20, 2007
Originally released February 15, 2007

Contacts:
Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, mclarty at greens.org
Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene at gp.org

Greens to Congress: Debate over Iraq must address the war as an
impeachable crime, not as a strategic blunder requiring more U.S.
troops to correct

Congress must cut off funding for all U.S. military actions in Iraq,
compelling President Bush to call the troops home, say Greens, citing
Vietnam War precedent 

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Green Party leaders urged Congress, as it debates a
nonbinding resolution on President Bush's proposal to send 21,500 more
U.S. troops to Iraq, to reject a discussion of the war on strategic
grounds, and instead address the war as a criminal act of military
aggression. 

Greens called on Democrats and Republicans in Congress who claim to
oppose the war to interrupt President Bush's agenda in Iraq by cutting
off funding for the U.S. occupation. 

"If antiwar Democrats and Republicans limit their discussion to whether
the U.S. should commit more troops, then President Bush will have won
the debate," said Liz Arnone, co-chair of the Green Party of the United
States. "The question Congress should ask isn't how many U.S. service
members should be sent to Iraq, it's how to end the Iraq disaster as
quickly as possible, how to hold the Bush Administration accountable
for its abuses of power and the deaths of over 3,000 U.S. troops and
hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, and how to prevent such
abuses in the future." 

Congress must address the following points in its current discussion,
said Greens: 

The Iraq War didn't fail because the White House and Pentagon botched
it strategically, although it's evident that the invasion was
undertaken without regard for the protection of many U.S. service
personnel (e.g., inadequate body armor; illegal use of depleted uranium
and white phosphorus, which also harm civilians), the need to secure
Iraq's borders, and other basic military necessities. The Iraq War was
an inevitable disaster, said Green Party leaders, because it was a
preemptive invasion of one nation by another, justified before the
public by manipulated intelligence estimates and a disinformation
campaign (false claims about WMDs; Saddam Hussein's collusion with
al-Qaeda; Saddam's purported threat to neighboring countries and the
U.S.), with minimal consideration of the outcome (mass Iraqi civilian
deaths; probably civil war; international outrage, especially among
Muslim and Arab nations; empowerment of radical religious and terrorist
groups in the region). 

"Preemptive invasion is illegal under international law. Congress must
treat the Iraq invasion as a criminal atrocity, requiring impeachment
of President Bush and Vice President Cheney, and investigation and
criminal prosecution of those responsible for the war," said Rebecca
Rotzler, co-chair of the Green Party and Deputy Mayor of New Paltz, New
York. Ms. Rotzler will participate in the Emergency Summit to Impeach
Bush for War Crimes, February 17-18 in New York City (more information
at <http://www.gp.org>). 

Congress must cancel all future funding for the Iraq War, compelling
the White House to withdraw U.S. troops and return them home safe and
sound. 

"It's obvious by now that the continued presence of U.S. forces in Iraq
will not improve the situation for the Iraqi people or lead to peace,
stability, or democracy," said Gretchen Dutschke of the Green Party's
International Committee. "If Congress members merely address President
Bush's strategic plan to send more troops, then Congress is debating
according to the White House's own terms, with a false choice between
victory and defeat for the U.S. Congress must reject the Bush
Administration's frame of the debate, and instead demand immediate
withdrawal. As in the 1970 Cooper-Church amendment, which prohibited
further funding for military action in Cambodia and Laos, Congress can
force a withdrawal from Iraq by preventing the White House from
spending another dime on the occupation." 

Congress must address the Bush Administration's numerous abuses of
power in connection with the Iraq War: Defense Department policy that
clearly encouraged torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib, as well as sites in
Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay, and secret sites in Europe; 'extraordinary
rendition' of prisoners to countries that allow torture to extract
information; favoritism for profiteering corporations and privatized
military operations like Halliburton and Blackwater USA, as well as for
U.S. and U.K. oil companies that are about to profit from the new Iraqi
'Hydrocarbon Law' ("Shock and oil: Iraq's billions & the White House
connection," The Independent, January 14, 2007
<http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2152438.ece>). 

Congress must address its own complicity in President Bush's decision
to wage war on Iraq, through October 2002 legislation that transferred
war power to President Bush. 

"The Iraq Resolution gave President Bush a blank check to launch the
invasion of Iraq -- contrary to the U.S. Constitution, which limits war
power to Congress itself, a necessary check on executive power," said
Katey Culver, co-chair of the Green Party of the United States and
co-chair of the Green Party of Tennessee. "We ask Congress to repudiate
the Bush-Cheney doctrines of unitary executive power and perpetual
warfare, and restore the Constitution's checks and balances." 

In order to achieve stability in Iraq and the surrounding region and
security for the U.S. and the world, Congress must support an
integrated policy based on negotiation, diplomacy, and respect for
human rights instead of military force.

"Withdrawal from Iraq, diplomacy with Iran in combination with global
nuclear disarmament, and pressure on Israel to end its illegal
occupation of Palestinian lands and observe human rights and equality
are the necessary starting points for peace in the Middle East and
western Asia," said Green Party co-chair Jim Coplen. "Anything else ill
only encourage future war and violence, including terrorism against the
U.S." 

MORE INFORMATION 
Green Party of the United States
http://www.gp.org  
1700 Connecticut Avenue NW, Suite 404
Washington, DC 20009.
202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN
Fax 202-319-7193
Green Party News Center
http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml  

"How Congress Helped End the Vietnam War"
By Julian E. Zelizer, The American Prospect,
February 6, 2007
prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=12438 


Iraq War is Impeachable, Not Just a 'Strategic Blunder'

Green Party of the United States
www.gp.org

Tuesday, February 20, 2007
Originally released February 15, 2007

Contacts:
Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, mclarty at greens.org
Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene at gp.org

Greens to Congress: Debate over Iraq must address the war as an
impeachable crime, not as a strategic blunder requiring more U.S.
troops to correct

Congress must cut off funding for all U.S. military actions in Iraq,
compelling President Bush to call the troops home, say Greens, citing
Vietnam War precedent 

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Green Party leaders urged Congress, as it debates a
nonbinding resolution on President Bush's proposal to send 21,500 more
U.S. troops to Iraq, to reject a discussion of the war on strategic
grounds, and instead address the war as a criminal act of military
aggression. 

Greens called on Democrats and Republicans in Congress who claim to
oppose the war to interrupt President Bush's agenda in Iraq by cutting
off funding for the U.S. occupation. 

"If antiwar Democrats and Republicans limit their discussion to whether
the U.S. should commit more troops, then President Bush will have won
the debate," said Liz Arnone, co-chair of the Green Party of the United
States. "The question Congress should ask isn't how many U.S. service
members should be sent to Iraq, it's how to end the Iraq disaster as
quickly as possible, how to hold the Bush Administration accountable
for its abuses of power and the deaths of over 3,000 U.S. troops and
hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, and how to prevent such
abuses in the future." 

Congress must address the following points in its current discussion,
said Greens: 

The Iraq War didn't fail because the White House and Pentagon botched
it strategically, although it's evident that the invasion was
undertaken without regard for the protection of many U.S. service
personnel (e.g., inadequate body armor; illegal use of depleted uranium
and white phosphorus, which also harm civilians), the need to secure
Iraq's borders, and other basic military necessities. The Iraq War was
an inevitable disaster, said Green Party leaders, because it was a
preemptive invasion of one nation by another, justified before the
public by manipulated intelligence estimates and a disinformation
campaign (false claims about WMDs; Saddam Hussein's collusion with
al-Qaeda; Saddam's purported threat to neighboring countries and the
U.S.), with minimal consideration of the outcome (mass Iraqi civilian
deaths; probably civil war; international outrage, especially among
Muslim and Arab nations; empowerment of radical religious and terrorist
groups in the region). 

"Preemptive invasion is illegal under international law. Congress must
treat the Iraq invasion as a criminal atrocity, requiring impeachment
of President Bush and Vice President Cheney, and investigation and
criminal prosecution of those responsible for the war," said Rebecca
Rotzler, co-chair of the Green Party and Deputy Mayor of New Paltz, New
York. Ms. Rotzler will participate in the Emergency Summit to Impeach
Bush for War Crimes, February 17-18 in New York City (more information
at <http://www.gp.org>). 

Congress must cancel all future funding for the Iraq War, compelling
the White House to withdraw U.S. troops and return them home safe and
sound. 

"It's obvious by now that the continued presence of U.S. forces in Iraq
will not improve the situation for the Iraqi people or lead to peace,
stability, or democracy," said Gretchen Dutschke of the Green Party's
International Committee. "If Congress members merely address President
Bush's strategic plan to send more troops, then Congress is debating
according to the White House's own terms, with a false choice between
victory and defeat for the U.S. Congress must reject the Bush
Administration's frame of the debate, and instead demand immediate
withdrawal. As in the 1970 Cooper-Church amendment, which prohibited
further funding for military action in Cambodia and Laos, Congress can
force a withdrawal from Iraq by preventing the White House from
spending another dime on the occupation." 

Congress must address the Bush Administration's numerous abuses of
power in connection with the Iraq War: Defense Department policy that
clearly encouraged torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib, as well as sites in
Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay, and secret sites in Europe; 'extraordinary
rendition' of prisoners to countries that allow torture to extract
information; favoritism for profiteering corporations and privatized
military operations like Halliburton and Blackwater USA, as well as for
U.S. and U.K. oil companies that are about to profit from the new Iraqi
'Hydrocarbon Law' ("Shock and oil: Iraq's billions & the White House
connection," The Independent, January 14, 2007
<http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2152438.ece>). 

Congress must address its own complicity in President Bush's decision
to wage war on Iraq, through October 2002 legislation that transferred
war power to President Bush. 

"The Iraq Resolution gave President Bush a blank check to launch the
invasion of Iraq -- contrary to the U.S. Constitution, which limits war
power to Congress itself, a necessary check on executive power," said
Katey Culver, co-chair of the Green Party of the United States and
co-chair of the Green Party of Tennessee. "We ask Congress to repudiate
the Bush-Cheney doctrines of unitary executive power and perpetual
warfare, and restore the Constitution's checks and balances." 

In order to achieve stability in Iraq and the surrounding region and
security for the U.S. and the world, Congress must support an
integrated policy based on negotiation, diplomacy, and respect for
human rights instead of military force.

"Withdrawal from Iraq, diplomacy with Iran in combination with global
nuclear disarmament, and pressure on Israel to end its illegal
occupation of Palestinian lands and observe human rights and equality
are the necessary starting points for peace in the Middle East and
western Asia," said Green Party co-chair Jim Coplen. "Anything else ill
only encourage future war and violence, including terrorism against the
U.S." 

MORE INFORMATION 
Green Party of the United States
http://www.gp.org  
1700 Connecticut Avenue NW, Suite 404
Washington, DC 20009.
202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN
Fax 202-319-7193
Green Party News Center
http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml  

"How Congress Helped End the Vietnam War"
By Julian E. Zelizer, The American Prospect,
February 6, 2007
prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=12438 




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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 16:18:42 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:18:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Clinton and Democrats are Obstacles to Real
	Health Care Reform
Message-ID: <68987.48134.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

http://gp.org/press/pr_2007_02_26.shtml

Clinton and Democrats are Obstacles to Real Health Care Reform

Green Party of the United States
www.gp.org

Monday, February 26, 2007

Contacts:
Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, mclarty at greens.org
Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene at gp.org
John Battista, M.D., 860-354-1822

Sen. Hillary Clinton and other Democratic leaders are obstacles to real
health care reform, say Greens

Greens assert need for single-payer national health insurance, which
top Democrats and Republicans reject because of corporate HMO,
insurance, and pharmaceutical contributors

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Green Party leaders called on Congress to reject
health care reform plans that maintained corporate-based insurance and
HMO coverage, and urged passage of a single-payer national health
insurance program.

"America is ready for single-payer," said Maria Allwine, former Green
candidate for Maryland State Senate and U.S. Senate and member of the
Maryland Universal Health Care Action Network . "We're not ready for
another Republican or Democratic proposal that guarantees profits for
HMOs and insurance firms, while doing little for America's 46 million
uninsured and millions more under-insured. We appeal to Congress, the
American people, unions, and health-care providers to reject
corporate-friendly managed-care plans and demand national health
insurance."

Greens were especially critical of Sen. Hillary Clinton's (D-N.Y.)
continuing role in obstructing needed health care reforms.

"Hillary Clinton should be banished from the room when health coverage
is discussed," said Rebecca Rotzler, co-chair of the Green Party of the
United States and Deputy Mayor of New Paltz, New York. "Ms. Clinton's
favoritism towards major insurance companies undermined real health
care reform when her husband's administration crafted its managed-care
monstrosity in 1993. She and other Democrats remain at the top of the
list of recipients of contributions from insurance and pharmaceutical
lobbies [http://www.opensecrets.org]."

In the 2006 race for the U.S. Senate, New York Green candidate Howie
Hawkins sharply criticized Ms. Clinton for pandering to private health
insurance companies and endorsing a Massachusetts bill mandating that
consumers buy inadequate private health insurance. Greens running for
office in New York, Massachusetts, and numerous other states promoted
state-based plans to provide all residents with health care services
through publicly-funded coverage.


"Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, and other prominent
Democrats are the greatest obstacle to universal health coverage.
Except for a few mavericks like Rep. John Conyers [D-Mich.], who has
regularly introduced single-payer bills, Democrats have joined
Republicans in favoring HMO and insurance corporations over guaranteed
publicly-financed quality health care for every American. It's a safe
bet that the 2008 Democratic nominee will -- like Bill Clinton, Al
Gore, and John Kerry before them -- follow the same pattern," said Kat
Swift, spokesperson for the National Women's Caucus of the Green Party.

Greens noted that Democrats and Republicans alike were responding to
the growing health care crisis in recent years by siding with corporate
insurers and rejecting the principle that federal or state governments
should provide coverage, despite poll numbers showing growing majority
support for single-payer. During the Clinton-Gore Administration, the
Democratic Party deleted national health insurance from its national
platform; national health insurance had been a Democratic promise since
1948.

In November, 2003, Republicans in Congress passed a complex
Prescription Drug bill that mostly benefits drug firms and advances the
long-time Republican ambition to replace Medicare with private coverage
<http://www.gp.org/press/pr_11_21_03.html>. More recently, President
Bush has cut $28 million from Medicaid to pay for the Iraq War.

Greens noted that profits for the private health insurance industry now
consume as much as 30? of every health dollar, and that pay for
insurance and HMO executives is now in the multimillion-dollar
stratosphere, e.g., $29,061,599 for Stephen Wiggins, CEO of Oxford
Health Plans, Inc.; $11,568,410 for Wilson Taylor, Chairman and CEO of
CIGNA Corporation <http://www.harp.org/hmoexecs.htm>.

According to a 2000 study by Harvard Medical School and the Canadian
Institute for Health Information
<http://www.hms.harvard.edu/news/releases/0820woolhimmel.html>, U.S.
pays 31 cents on every dollar for administrative costs; Canada, under
its single-payer system, pays half this amount. Greens further noted
that taxpayers and health care providers are already paying health care
costs for the uninsured.

"We urge unions and other civil groups to demand single-payer, instead
of falling into lockstep with Democrats, or we'll repeat the health
care reform debacle of 1993," said John Battista, M.D., former Green
candidate for state representative in Connecticut and co-author of his
state's single-payer legislation in 1999 (the Connecticut Health Care
Security Act). "It's time to reject vaguely defined corporate-friendly
'affordable' health care plans."

"Single-payer will provide quality health coverage for every American
regardless of income, ability to pay, residence, age, or prior medical
condition at a cost that's far less than working Americans currently
pay for private coverage, while providing full choice of physician and
hospital," added Dr. Battista. "That's why the Green Party supports
single-payer."

MORE INFORMATION

Green Party of the United States
http://www.gp.org 
1700 Connecticut Avenue NW, Suite 404
Washington, DC 20009.
202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN
Fax 202-319-7193
Green Party News Center 
http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml 

"Seeking Coverage For All"
By John R. Battista and Justine McCabe (Green Party members), The
Hartford Courant, October 31, 2006
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2006/november/seeking_coverage_for.php 

"Why Obama, Edwards, Hillary, Romney, Schwarzenegger Don't Support
Single Payer? It Would Mean the Death of the Health Insurance Industry,
and Reduced Profits for Big Pharma"
Corporate Crime Reporter 9, February 21, 2007
http://www.healthcare-now.org/shownews.php?nid=394&sid=&subid 
http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com 

Physicians for a National Health Program
http://www.pnhp.org 

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From MLause at cinci.rr.com  Thu Mar  1 17:39:19 2007
From: MLause at cinci.rr.com (Mark Lause)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:39:19 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <20070301235313.21476.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c75c6b$a0496890$b5ff4347@downstairspc>

One more is all I have time for right now....  Saying that things improved
after 2006 doesn't make what I said about the impact of 2004 outdated.  The
impact of 2004 was what it was regardless of what happened afterwards.  And,
if vote totals measured the state of the party rather than voter discontent,
we'd have been in great shape in 2001.  But we weren't.

A lot of these state organizations consist of local groups that don't
actually meet or do anything.  2004 left my entire state with only one or
two local groups functioning.  Despite the fact that this situation really
hadn't improved in 2006, we did run some good state campaigns.  Yet, those
tens of thousands of votes did not leave us an organization with appreciably
more people.  It never made us better at involving and integrating new
people into the party.

These are the things that measure the strength of the party.

Whoever is nominated--and whoever's doing the nominating--MUST focus on
building an alternative to the corporate two-parties.  Historically, not a
single third party tried to play footsies with the Democrats without ending
up amputees bleeding to death.....  Every would-be power-broker thinks that
this rule won't apply to them, but it will.

WHY we run...and HOW we run...is much more important to me than WHO we run,
though we can clearly pick someone who's not going to give us what we need.

I'm just a rank-and-filer and I have no illusions that I will have real
voice in who the party nominates in 2008, and I am open to supporting any
candidate in 2008.

But I joined the Green Party because I have faced the simple reality that
the two corporate parties exist to wage war on our interests and our values
and to garner public support for doing these things.  And, when all's said
and done, I will NOT support a meaningless going-through-the-motions
fig-leaf of a campaign aimed at giving backhanded support to the Democrats.


ML









From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  1 23:15:20 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:15:20 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] One Congressional Office Occupation
Message-ID: <45E7CF08.1050003@earthlink.net>


In Sacramento:

"Peace Advocates Question Rep. Doris Matsui about
Why She Supports Funding Iraq War"

     http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0301-25.htm

Gerry




From tnharter at ispwest.com  Thu Mar  1 23:41:05 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:41:05 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <000b01c75c6b$a0496890$b5ff4347@downstairspc>
References: <000b01c75c6b$a0496890$b5ff4347@downstairspc>
Message-ID: <45E7D511.4000106@ispwest.com>

Mark Lause wrote:

>One more is all I have time for right now....  Saying that things improved
>after 2006 doesn't make what I said about the impact of 2004 outdated.  The
>impact of 2004 was what it was regardless of what happened afterwards.  And,
>if vote totals measured the state of the party rather than voter discontent,
>we'd have been in great shape in 2001.  But we weren't.
>
>A lot of these state organizations consist of local groups that don't
>actually meet or do anything.  2004 left my entire state with only one or
>two local groups functioning.  Despite the fact that this situation really
>hadn't improved in 2006, we did run some good state campaigns.  Yet, those
>tens of thousands of votes did not leave us an organization with appreciably
>more people.  It never made us better at involving and integrating new
>people into the party.
>  
>
What state is your local state? Here in Santa Clara County there
might only be one or two active Green groups, but in California
there are A LOT more than that.

>These are the things that measure the strength of the party.
>  
>
If I went into a room and saw half a dozen or so normal looking
peace activists and somebody told me they were responsible
for somebody with no name recognition getting "tens of thousands
of votes" I would be impressed. I would think "these people are
shaking the power tree." Wow!

>Whoever is nominated--and whoever's doing the nominating--MUST focus on
>building an alternative to the corporate two-parties.  Historically, not a
>single third party tried to play footsies with the Democrats without ending
>up amputees bleeding to death.....  Every would-be power-broker thinks that
>this rule won't apply to them, but it will.
>  
>
Part of building an alternative is realizing the power of bragging rights.
If you can say "I got ten thousand votes" and you have the ability
to prove it, that amounts to bulletproof bragging rights that nobody
can take away. It's not much by itself, but it's a bite out of the incubents
hide. Keep taking a bit more here and a bit more there, and soon
we're talking about real change!

>WHY we run...and HOW we run...is much more important to me than WHO we run,
>though we can clearly pick someone who's not going to give us what we need.
>
>I'm just a rank-and-filer and I have no illusions that I will have real
>voice in who the party nominates in 2008, and I am open to supporting any
>candidate in 2008.
>
>But I joined the Green Party because I have faced the simple reality that
>the two corporate parties exist to wage war on our interests and our values
>and to garner public support for doing these things.  And, when all's said
>and done, I will NOT support a meaningless going-through-the-motions
>fig-leaf of a campaign aimed at giving backhanded support to the Democrats.
>  
>
In 2004 I put hundreds of hours into Stephanie Schaaf's campaign
for city council because I couldn't get enthused about helping Cobb
much. However, we did arrange two speaking oportunities for him
here in Santa Clara County, and he did do a good job both times.
It was also nice of him that he didn't complain that we only drummed
up a hundred folks or so to hear his message. That seems like as
much as we could have asked from a no name Candidate. On election
day I had no trouble voting for the guy, and I'm still okay with it.

Yeah, Nader was much better for us in many ways when he wanted
to be a Green Candidate, but that was then and this is now...

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
We had an earthquake during this evening's Green Party meeting.



From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Fri Mar  2 00:43:42 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 03:43:42 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Check out what our local Congressional Office
	Occupation is doing
Message-ID: <d38.3766bd7.33193dbe@aol.com>

Hi All,

We have local Congressional Office Occupations happening here.  I'm a member 
of the South Bay Occupation Project.  We've been occupying Mike Honda's and 
Zoe Lofgren's offices for 7 weeks.  We pledge to occupy their offices until they 
pledge to vote no to the supplemental funding bill.  We are part of the 
Voices for Creative Nonviolence National Occupation Project.

Merriam

The following is an article about our meeting with Mike Honda on Wednesday 
Feb. 21.
 http://vcnv.org/op-campaign/south-bay-occupation-project

The following is the link to the article and photos of our Feb. 8th day of 
action and occupation.

http://www.vcnv.org/grannies-occupy-hondas-office-south-bay-occupation-project 

There is also an article and photos on the following Indy Bay link.
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/02/08/18359668.php

 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 00:53:22 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 00:53:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Check out what our local Congressional Office
	Occupation is doing
In-Reply-To: <d38.3766bd7.33193dbe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <444232.90362.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

AND also note that we've been a little active with Eshoo too (Mike
Zelinski went with some others I believe) but just need some more
dedicated folks to make it a consistent occupation group.  

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> We have local Congressional Office Occupations happening here.  I'm a
> member of the South Bay Occupation Project.  We've been occupying
Mike
> Honda's and  Zoe Lofgren's offices for 7 weeks.  We pledge to occupy
their offices
> until they  pledge to vote no to the supplemental funding bill.  We
are part of
> the Voices for Creative Nonviolence National Occupation Project.
> 
> Merriam
> 
> The following is an article about our meeting with Mike Honda on
> Wednesday  Feb. 21.
>  http://vcnv.org/op-campaign/south-bay-occupation-project
> 
> The following is the link to the article and photos of our Feb. 8th
> day of  action and occupation.
> 
>
http://www.vcnv.org/grannies-occupy-hondas-office-south-bay-occupation-project
> 
> 
> There is also an article and photos on the following Indy Bay link.
> http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/02/08/18359668.php

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 01:02:18 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 01:02:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <45E7D511.4000106@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <99753.73192.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

Mark, I have to ask where you are writing from.  I'm feeling
uncomfortable with someone from outside our County and outside our
State giving so much input to the discussion group for the Santa Clara
County, CA. Please respect our autonomy and please don't continue
overdo it with what might be considered outsider spam by some.  
Grassroots Democracy, Decentralization and all that.  Maybe once we
find out where you're from we could find or create a more appropriate
forum that is inclusive of only those interested in this topic. 
Thanks!

Drew Johnson
County Council of Santa Clara County

--- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:

> Mark Lause wrote:
> 
> >One more is all I have time for right now....  Saying that things
> improved
> >after 2006 doesn't make what I said about the impact of 2004
> outdated.  The
> >impact of 2004 was what it was regardless of what happened
> afterwards.  And,
> >if vote totals measured the state of the party rather than voter
> discontent,
> >we'd have been in great shape in 2001.  But we weren't.
> >
> >A lot of these state organizations consist of local groups that
> don't
> >actually meet or do anything.  2004 left my entire state with only
> one or
> >two local groups functioning.  Despite the fact that this situation
> really
> >hadn't improved in 2006, we did run some good state campaigns.  Yet,
> those
> >tens of thousands of votes did not leave us an organization with
> appreciably
> >more people.  It never made us better at involving and integrating
> new
> >people into the party.
> >  
> >
> What state is your local state? Here in Santa Clara County there
> might only be one or two active Green groups, but in California
> there are A LOT more than that.
> 
> >These are the things that measure the strength of the party.
> >  
> >
> If I went into a room and saw half a dozen or so normal looking
> peace activists and somebody told me they were responsible
> for somebody with no name recognition getting "tens of thousands
> of votes" I would be impressed. I would think "these people are
> shaking the power tree." Wow!
> 
> >Whoever is nominated--and whoever's doing the nominating--MUST focus
> on
> >building an alternative to the corporate two-parties.  Historically,
> not a
> >single third party tried to play footsies with the Democrats without
> ending
> >up amputees bleeding to death.....  Every would-be power-broker
> thinks that
> >this rule won't apply to them, but it will.
> >  
> >
> Part of building an alternative is realizing the power of bragging
> rights.
> If you can say "I got ten thousand votes" and you have the ability
> to prove it, that amounts to bulletproof bragging rights that nobody
> can take away. It's not much by itself, but it's a bite out of the
> incubents
> hide. Keep taking a bit more here and a bit more there, and soon
> we're talking about real change!
> 
> >WHY we run...and HOW we run...is much more important to me than WHO
> we run,
> >though we can clearly pick someone who's not going to give us what
> we need.
> >
> >I'm just a rank-and-filer and I have no illusions that I will have
> real
> >voice in who the party nominates in 2008, and I am open to
> supporting any
> >candidate in 2008.
> >
> >But I joined the Green Party because I have faced the simple reality
> that
> >the two corporate parties exist to wage war on our interests and our
> values
> >and to garner public support for doing these things.  And, when
> all's said
> >and done, I will NOT support a meaningless going-through-the-motions
> >fig-leaf of a campaign aimed at giving backhanded support to the
> Democrats.
> >  
> >
> In 2004 I put hundreds of hours into Stephanie Schaaf's campaign
> for city council because I couldn't get enthused about helping Cobb
> much. However, we did arrange two speaking oportunities for him
> here in Santa Clara County, and he did do a good job both times.
> It was also nice of him that he didn't complain that we only drummed
> up a hundred folks or so to hear his message. That seems like as
> much as we could have asked from a no name Candidate. On election
> day I had no trouble voting for the guy, and I'm still okay with it.
> 
> Yeah, Nader was much better for us in many ways when he wanted
> to be a Green Candidate, but that was then and this is now...
> 
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> We had an earthquake during this evening's Green Party meeting.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From MLause at cinci.rr.com  Fri Mar  2 04:55:31 2007
From: MLause at cinci.rr.com (Mark Lause)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:55:31 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <99753.73192.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c75cca$115375e0$b5ff4347@downstairspc>

Ah, well.

If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been on this
list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy organization with
an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.

I didn't think it would violate "autonomy" to put in my two cents on the
presidential nomination.  Also, insofar as the discussion had to do with
what things were really like here in the heartland, I thought it appropriate
to provide some information based on experience.  Sorry if information
violated your "autonomy."

Often I've heard officers of the party in the Midwest complain about
California and New York.  When I've defended what the party's been doing in
those states as much better than we've been doing here, I've heard the same
cant about "autonomy."

In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave you
"leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your past
decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those decisions have
made things here in the cornbelt.

Solidarity!
Mark L.






From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 07:16:47 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:16:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Creating Co. Development and GPUS candidates
	e-lists (was Re: Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges)
In-Reply-To: <001501c75cca$115375e0$b5ff4347@downstairspc>
Message-ID: <361710.14825.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Mark,

Okay, well how about we approach it this way.  I'm more than happy to
have you observe, but when it comes to posting I'd prefer you kept it
*extremely* light and that you self-identify right there in each of
your signature line that you are from Ohio (Cincinatti I guess - How're
the Reds doing?).   The topics you bring up are definitely worthy of
discussion, the only question is finding the appropriate forum.  Since
the Green Parties are REALLY NOT one single party but in reality a
network of local County and State parties that work together (kinda) as
a national movement its very important that each County be able to
operate on its own.  Think Globally, Act Locally as they say.   So In
order to maintain our Silicon Valley local focus and still have places
to discuss national items I have the following 2 proposals:

1) Create a nationwide e-list on building up county organization! 
That'd be way cool and we are as in need of that kind of discussion as
anyone!  How about we talk to Cameron about creating
CountyDev at Greens.org (Green Party County Development). I hope that at
some point soon we'll really be a hoping, healthy organization but I
certainly wouldn't say that about us today. :-)  Nevertheless thanks
for the complement.  

[On the subject of Ohio I've been extremely puzzled about where y'all
are at and why Ohio isn't more developed given that you've got
Fitrakis, Rios and the fact we as a GP national movement sent lots 'o
people to help you out to help with the recount effort and didn't some
of that energy stick???  Why don't we start up GPCoDev at Greens.org and
pursue this discussion there.]

2) Also since we've been debating GPUS nominees maybe a list along the
lines of GP-USCandidates would be a great thing??? Y'all think?  We
*do* need places on-line to discuss and debate internally to the Green
Parties our biz.

So how's that work for you???

Join the Green Evolution!

Drew Johnson 
County Council Member, Santa Clara County, CA (AKA Silicon Valley)

--- Mark Lause <MLause at cinci.rr.com> wrote:

> Ah, well.
> 
> If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been on
> this list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy
organization
> with an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
> 
> I didn't think it would violate "autonomy" to put in my two cents on
> the presidential nomination.  Also, insofar as the discussion had to
do
> with what things were really like here in the heartland, I thought it
> appropriate to provide some information based on experience.  Sorry
if
> information violated your "autonomy."
> 
> Often I've heard officers of the party in the Midwest complain about
> California and New York.  When I've defended what the party's been
> doing in those states as much better than we've been doing here, I've
heard
> the same cant about "autonomy."
> 
> In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave you
> "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your
> past decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those
> decisions have made things here in the cornbelt.
> 
> Solidarity!
> Mark L.

___________________

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From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Mar  2 07:21:52 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:21:52 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Creating Co. Development and GPUS candidates
 e-lists (was Re: Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges)
In-Reply-To: <361710.14825.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <361710.14825.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45E84110.5080401@charter.net>

JamBoi wrote:

Drew and Mark,

Why would these discussions not take place at Green Commons, or what is 
it for?

Wes
> Hey Mark,
>
> Okay, well how about we approach it this way.  I'm more than happy to
> have you observe, but when it comes to posting I'd prefer you kept it
> *extremely* light and that you self-identify right there in each of
> your signature line that you are from Ohio (Cincinatti I guess - How're
> the Reds doing?).   The topics you bring up are definitely worthy of
> discussion, the only question is finding the appropriate forum.  Since
> the Green Parties are REALLY NOT one single party but in reality a
> network of local County and State parties that work together (kinda) as
> a national movement its very important that each County be able to
> operate on its own.  Think Globally, Act Locally as they say.   So In
> order to maintain our Silicon Valley local focus and still have places
> to discuss national items I have the following 2 proposals:
>
> 1) Create a nationwide e-list on building up county organization! 
> That'd be way cool and we are as in need of that kind of discussion as
> anyone!  How about we talk to Cameron about creating
> CountyDev at Greens.org (Green Party County Development). I hope that at
> some point soon we'll really be a hoping, healthy organization but I
> certainly wouldn't say that about us today. :-)  Nevertheless thanks
> for the complement.  
>
> [On the subject of Ohio I've been extremely puzzled about where y'all
> are at and why Ohio isn't more developed given that you've got
> Fitrakis, Rios and the fact we as a GP national movement sent lots 'o
> people to help you out to help with the recount effort and didn't some
> of that energy stick???  Why don't we start up GPCoDev at Greens.org and
> pursue this discussion there.]
>
> 2) Also since we've been debating GPUS nominees maybe a list along the
> lines of GP-USCandidates would be a great thing??? Y'all think?  We
> *do* need places on-line to discuss and debate internally to the Green
> Parties our biz.
>
> So how's that work for you???
>
> Join the Green Evolution!
>
> Drew Johnson 
> County Council Member, Santa Clara County, CA (AKA Silicon Valley)
>
> --- Mark Lause <MLause at cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Ah, well.
>>
>> If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been on
>> this list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy
>>     
> organization
>   
>> with an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
>>
>> I didn't think it would violate "autonomy" to put in my two cents on
>> the presidential nomination.  Also, insofar as the discussion had to
>>     
> do
>   
>> with what things were really like here in the heartland, I thought it
>> appropriate to provide some information based on experience.  Sorry
>>     
> if
>   
>> information violated your "autonomy."
>>
>> Often I've heard officers of the party in the Midwest complain about
>> California and New York.  When I've defended what the party's been
>> doing in those states as much better than we've been doing here, I've
>>     
> heard
>   
>> the same cant about "autonomy."
>>
>> In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave you
>> "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your
>> past decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those
>> decisions have made things here in the cornbelt.
>>
>> Solidarity!
>> Mark L.
>>     
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>  
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate 
> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
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>
>   


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Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
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17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From wechslertoo at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  2 08:27:25 2007
From: wechslertoo at earthlink.net (Curt Wechsler)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:27:25 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: foreign ownership of Iraq oil pretext for
	continuing occupation
Message-ID: <410-22007352162725343@earthlink.net>


> Iraqi Oil Law Gives Cover for Corporate Profit
> By Emad Mekay, IPS News
> Posted on March 2, 2007, Printed on March 2, 2007
> http://www.alternet.org/story/48605/
> The U.S.-backed Iraqi cabinet approved a new oil law Monday that is set
to give foreign companies the long-term contracts and safe legal framework
they have been waiting for, but which has rattled labour unions and
international campaigners who say oil production should remain in the hands
of Iraqis.
>
> Independent analysts and labour groups have also criticised the process
of drafting the law and warned that that the bill is so skewed in favour of
foreign firms that it could end up heightening political tensions in the
Arab nation and spreading instability.
>
> For example, it specifies that up to two-thirds of Iraq's known reserves
would be developed by multinationals, under contracts lasting for 15 to 20
years.
>
> This policy would represent a u-turn for Iraq's oil industry, which has
been in the public sector for more than three decades, and would break from
normal practice in the Middle East.
>
> According to local labour leaders, transferring ownership to the foreign
companies would give a further pretext to continue the U.S. occupation on
the grounds that those companies will need protection.
>
> Union leaders have complained that they, along with other civil society
groups, were left out of the drafting process despite U.S. claims it has
created a functioning democracy in Iraq.
>
> Under the production-sharing agreements provided for in the draft law,
companies will not come under the jurisdiction of Iraqi courts in the event
of a dispute, nor to the general auditor.
>
> The ownership of the oil reserves under this draft law will remain with
the state in form, but not in substance, critics say.
>
> On Feb. 8, the labour unions sent a letter in Arabic to Iraqi President
Jalal Talbani urging him to reconsider this kind of agreement.
>
> "Production-sharing agreements are a relic of the 1960s," said the
letter. "They will re-imprison the Iraqi economy and impinge on Iraq's
sovereignty since they only preserve the interests of foreign companies. We
warn against falling into this trap."
>
> Ewa Jasiewicz, a researcher at PLATFORM, a British human rights and
environmental group that monitors the oil industry, told IPS in a phone
interview from London that, "First of all, it hasn't been put together in
any kind of democratic process... It's been put through a war and an
occupation which in itself is a grotesquely undemocratic process."
>
> The law was prepared by a three-member Iraqi cabinet committee, dominated
by the Kurds and the Shiites. It is now expected to be ratified by
parliament because the powerful faction leaders in the government have
cleared it.
>
> The first draft was seen only by the committee of the Iraqi technocrat
who penned it, nine international oil companies, the British and the U.S.
governments and the International Monetary Fund. The Iraqi parliament will
get its first glimpse next week.
>
> Concerns about the process are compounded because of the ongoing disputes
in Iraq over the legitimacy of the Iraqi cabinet and the Iraqi parliament,
which have been constructed by the occupation-created governing council,
which itself was created in 2004 along sectarian lines.
>
> In a speech earlier this month by Hassan Juma, head of the Iraqi Oil
Labour Union, posted on the union's website, he called on the Iraqi
government to consult with Iraqi oil experts and "ask their opinion before
sinking Iraq into an ocean of dark injustice."
>
> The content of the law has also worried both international campaigners
and local Iraqi groups who say that it puts Iraqi oil wealth firmly on the
path to full privatisation.
>
> "The hydrocarbon law reflects the process of readying Iraq's oil for
privatisation," said Jasiewicz. "Drafted in secret, shaped by foreign
powers, untransparent, undemocratic and forced through under military
occupation."
>
> Jasiewicz said the law can be regarded as the economic goal of the war
and occupation and that "it will be viewed by most Iraqis as not just
illegitimate, but a war crime."
>
> But officials from the Iraqi government, who have already sent the draft
oil law to parliament for consideration, say it represents a step forward
for the war-torn country. Under the law, oil revenues would be distributed
to all 18 provinces based on population size, and regional administrations
have the authority to negotiate contracts with international oil companies.
>
> Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a close ally of Washington, called the
law "another founding stone in state-building."
>
> "This law will guarantee for Iraqis, not just now but for future
generations too, complete national control over this natural wealth," Oil
Minister Hussain al-Shahristani has reportedly said.
>
> Initial drafts of the law starting eight months ago saw squabbles between
the Kurdish factions who control the northern part of Iraq and the
Shiite-led regime, as they both vied for bigger shares of the country's oil
wealth, estimated at 115 billion barrels. That they have finally come to a
final agreement may be a sign of long-sought stability.
>
> Yet critics, including Iraqi oil professionals, engineers and technicians
in the unions, are instead advocating for technical service contracts,
meaning a company would come in and offer services such as building a
refinery, laying a pipeline, or offering consultancy services, get their
fees and then leave.
>
> "It is a much more equitable relationship because the control of
production, development of oil will stay with the Iraqi state," said
Jasiewicz.
>
> "That is the model that Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait generally operate.
There's no other country in the Middle East with the kind of oil reserves
that Iraq has that would consider signing a production-sharing agreement,"
she said. "It's a form of privatisation and that's why those countries
haven't signed these because it's not in their interests." 
>
>
> ? 2007 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
> View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/48605/ 




From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 09:55:53 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:55:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Creating Co. Development and GPUS candidates
	e-lists (was Re: Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges)
In-Reply-To: <45E84110.5080401@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20070302175553.92017.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>

I thought of that shortly after sending the e-mail.  Then I thought
that its probably not an either/or but a both.  Yes, Mark if you're not
familiar yet with GreenCommons.org, please sign on there and let's get
some discussion going on these great topics.  But also I think we'd do
well to have a forum that's a little more sheilded from the public
where we can talk about internal 'family' matter.

Global Greens Go Grande!

Drew

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> JamBoi wrote:
> 
> Drew and Mark,
> 
> Why would these discussions not take place at Green Commons, or what
> is 
> it for?
> 
> Wes
> > Hey Mark,
> >
> > Okay, well how about we approach it this way.  I'm more than happy
> to
> > have you observe, but when it comes to posting I'd prefer you kept
> it
> > *extremely* light and that you self-identify right there in each of
> > your signature line that you are from Ohio (Cincinatti I guess -
> How're
> > the Reds doing?).   The topics you bring up are definitely worthy
> of
> > discussion, the only question is finding the appropriate forum. 
> Since
> > the Green Parties are REALLY NOT one single party but in reality a
> > network of local County and State parties that work together
> (kinda) as
> > a national movement its very important that each County be able to
> > operate on its own.  Think Globally, Act Locally as they say.   So
> In
> > order to maintain our Silicon Valley local focus and still have
> places
> > to discuss national items I have the following 2 proposals:
> >
> > 1) Create a nationwide e-list on building up county organization! 
> > That'd be way cool and we are as in need of that kind of discussion
> as
> > anyone!  How about we talk to Cameron about creating
> > CountyDev at Greens.org (Green Party County Development). I hope that
> at
> > some point soon we'll really be a hoping, healthy organization but
> I
> > certainly wouldn't say that about us today. :-)  Nevertheless
> thanks
> > for the complement.  
> >
> > [On the subject of Ohio I've been extremely puzzled about where
> y'all
> > are at and why Ohio isn't more developed given that you've got
> > Fitrakis, Rios and the fact we as a GP national movement sent lots
> 'o
> > people to help you out to help with the recount effort and didn't
> some
> > of that energy stick???  Why don't we start up GPCoDev at Greens.org
> and
> > pursue this discussion there.]
> >
> > 2) Also since we've been debating GPUS nominees maybe a list along
> the
> > lines of GP-USCandidates would be a great thing??? Y'all think?  We
> > *do* need places on-line to discuss and debate internally to the
> Green
> > Parties our biz.
> >
> > So how's that work for you???
> >
> > Join the Green Evolution!
> >
> > Drew Johnson 
> > County Council Member, Santa Clara County, CA (AKA Silicon Valley)
> >
> > --- Mark Lause <MLause at cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Ah, well.
> >>
> >> If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been
> on
> >> this list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy
> >>     
> > organization
> >   
> >> with an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
> >>
> >> I didn't think it would violate "autonomy" to put in my two cents
> on
> >> the presidential nomination.  Also, insofar as the discussion had
> to
> >>     
> > do
> >   
> >> with what things were really like here in the heartland, I thought
> it
> >> appropriate to provide some information based on experience. 
> Sorry
> >>     
> > if
> >   
> >> information violated your "autonomy."
> >>
> >> Often I've heard officers of the party in the Midwest complain
> about
> >> California and New York.  When I've defended what the party's been
> >> doing in those states as much better than we've been doing here,
> I've
> >>     
> > heard
> >   
> >> the same cant about "autonomy."
> >>
> >> In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave
> you
> >> "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your
> >> past decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those
> >> decisions have made things here in the cornbelt.
> >>
> >> Solidarity!
> >> Mark L.
> >>     
> >
> > ___________________
> >
> > JamBoi
> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> >
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >  
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate 
> > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
> > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From cbrouillet at igc.org  Fri Mar  2 10:12:36 2007
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:12:36 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] New  Radio Show- Impeachment Rallies
Message-ID: <E1HNCFN-0003MP-GD@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

FYI

I agreed to do a weekly 2 hour radio show on the new We the People 
Radio Network ( http://www.wtprn.com ).  It should start in a couple 
of weeks.  I'd like to call it Questioning War- Organizing 
Resistance- if anyone has a better idea for a title let me know [I've 
been questioning the war on terrorism for quite some time and have 
always felt it was a race between organizing repression and 
organizing resistance].

I also will go ahead and work on Impeachment rallies beginning at 1 
pm in Lytton Plaza on the second Wednesdays of the month- especially 
if you Greens will join me.  We began collecting signatures at the 
Impeachment event at the Grand Lake Theater, March 22nd. (I also 
posted my aborted speech at 
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/02/22/18367157.php Impeachment, 
9/11, Overcoming Fear, Showing Courage
which includes Tian's great doctored photo of the Valentine's Day 
Love America-Impeach Bush rally.

Carol Brouillet
Green Party Congressional Candidate in 2006 for the 14th District on 
a 9/11 Truth, Impeachment, Peace platform
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From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Fri Mar  2 10:19:28 2007
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:19:28 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] impeach Bush letter published in Milpitas Post
Message-ID: <000001c75cf7$50e2d930$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>

After getting hung up in a spam filter for a couple of weeks, the editor
of the Milpitas Post received my letter.  Text of the letter is below.

Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
 
letter to editor

Isn't it time President Bush and his cohorts were impeached?  Their
corruption, and that of the complicit Republican Party, has been evident
for years.

Although we could argue that his disregard for global warming,
international law and the Iraqi people are grounds for impeachment,
let's stick with the core issues: 1. Illegal spying; 2. Lying us into
war; 3. Illegal  detention, torture, and expansion of executive
authority over both other branches of government. 4. Repudiation of
constitutional constraints on executive authority (see his signing
statements which declare his right to continue illegal spying, illegal
detentions and torture).  For details, see Center for Constitutional
Rights:
www.ccr-ny.org/v2/home.asp 

Our elected officials are sworn to uphold the Constitution.  They
dishonor that oath by allowing this President to continue violating the
Constitution.

Naturally, we think the U. S. Congress should take the lead on
impeachment.  Allowed to, Rep. John Conyers of the House Judiciary
Committee would do so promptly.  But Nancy Pelosi says that impeachment
is off the table. So, how do we the people get it on the table?

We go to the state legislature and demand that it submit articles of
impeachment directly to the House.  New Mexico is showing the way.  We
should be trying to do the same thing in California.  It will take only
one of the 50 states to do it and impeachment is under way!  

One way to force the issue is to persuade Milpitas and other
municipalities to request the California legislature to draft and submit
articles of impeachment.  Our elected officials may claim that it's not
within a city council's proper sphere to be engaged in such activities.
However, other cities have stepped up to fight global warming and the
PATRIOT Act.  Why not the protection of our Constitution, the sworn duty
of every elected official?

And what about each of us?  If you care about global warming, human
rights, fiscal responsibility, honest politics or America's world
standing, you also will call for impeachment.  Contact Milpitas Council
members and urge them to stop the madness in Washington.  For our sakes,
and that of our children and grandchildren we must stand up for our
country.



From alexcathy at aol.com  Fri Mar  2 11:14:49 2007
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:14:49 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <001501c75cca$115375e0$b5ff4347@downstairspc>
Message-ID: <8C92B162EC371A5-1EC0-7ADB@mblk-r29.sysops.aol.com>

 Dear Friends, 
 
 A question has come up on the South San Francisco Bay Green list about the participation of a Green activist from Ohio. 
    
 -----Begin Original Message-----
 From: MLause at cinci.rr.com
 To: jamboi at yahoo.com; tnharter at ispwest.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
 Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 4:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
 
  Ah, well.



If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been on this

list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy organization with

an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.



. . . 



In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave you

"leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your past

decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those decisions have

made things here in the cornbelt.



Solidarity!

Mark L.



-----End Original Message-----





This situation is precisely why I was originally so excited about the Green Commons Web Site.  



Since we are totally ignored by the mainstream media, it is almost impossible 

to know about Green activity around the country or even around the State.  I used to

live in Northern California, but my wife and I recently moved to Los Angeles.  I follow 

sosfbay-discuss because I am interested, I personally know many of the people, and I we get 

nothing from the Los Angeles MSM about what goes on among Bay Area Greens. 



Furthermore, if an individual Green is successful, then that person is seen as even 

more threatening to the status quo, and therefore, more likely to be blackballed by the

MSM.  Thus, for example, when Gayle McLaughlin was elected Mayor of Richmond, that 

should have been a big, statewide story.  Instead, the MSM buried it.  As I write this the 

City of Los Angeles is struggling (yet, again) to deal with new wave of gang violence.  Alas,

it is unthinkable that the good-for-nothing MSM would even mention that McLaughlin is dealing

with these very issues in Richmond or that Donna Warren has literally been on the front lines

in this particular battle right in inner-city LA for many years. The Los Angeles Times  

dutifuly reported the current troubles of San Fransisco Democratic Mayor Gavin Newsome, 

but of course, they never mention that the good people of San Francisco had a superior alternative

when they elected San Francisco's "Little Bill Clinton" back in 2003.  



As an African-American I have been dying to get input about what works and what doesn't work 

for Greens organizing in so-called minority communities.  



I have had a nice exchange of views with one sister in Los Angeles about Barack Obama.  I 

received an e-mail from KCM Curry touting her own candidacy, but otherwise I'm getting nothing. 



In 2004 a tremendous amount of time and effort went into certifying the Green Party Black Caucus.  

Members of the GPBC went to the national convention and gave a nice presentation.  There were the

familiar charges and counter-charges of racism. Almost every day somebody would post that 

Green Party was hopelessly "racist."  And almost every day I replied with a post that said: 

"Compared to what?"      



Despite all this, fights over Nader vs Cobb, a silly dispute with the Lavender Greens, and an even 

sillier objection to a Black Latina joining the group (BTW, I am proud to say that when the matter 

finally came to a vote, the group voted overwhelmingly to accept the Latina sister), 

the Green Party Black Caucus was duly certified and Michelle Tingling-Simmons elected chair.  



Guess what?



It almost immediately fell apart!



I have seen this sort of thing in other organizations before and it's one of the reasons why I am 

one of the very few "minority" activists nowadays who does not believe in "minority" caucuses.  

Despite the best intentions of the best people involved in these efforts, they almost always end up 

being both divisive and a waste of money, energy, and time.  This "caucuses" model is a throwback 

to the '40s, '50s, and '60s when old white men in smoke-filled rooms in the Democratic Party and 

in the AFL-CIO allowed... grudgingly... a few "minorites" to participate.  It is just my eccentric

personal opinion, but I think this is part of the Democratic-Repubican legacy that Greens would discard.



But I digress.  



My point in relating this story is that some mechanism needs to be in place to allow an exchange

of ideas, techniques, and experiences among far-flung Greens.  When the Green Party Black Caucus 

was active, I read posts by couple of well-informed members of the Illinois Green Party 

about a certain Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama.  I'd love to know what these brothers 

think today but I've lost those contacts. 



One of the posts to sosfbay-discuss asked the fellow from Ohio whatever happened to all the Green

activity right after the 2004 elections in Ohio?  Good question.  I would really like to know. Ohio 

happens to be one of the states where we could surely use some hard-hitting Black Greens.  I mean, 

the Black Republican Kenneth Blackwell was the one who masterminded the stolen election, and the 

clueless, weak Black Democrats around Cleveland were the ones who let the "Brotha" get away with

it.  And working-class Cleveland is the base for none other than Dennis Kucinich.  By now Cleveland

should be ripe for revolution!  



Comes now, from out of nowhere, Elaine Brown declaring her candidacy for president.  



I know she ran as Green Party candidate for mayor of a city in Georgia.  



I know her history in the Black Panther Party in California (and most of what I know is not good).  



Now she wants the Green Party to nominate her for President of the United States?  



For PRESIDENT? 



I guess it falls on me, the Black guy, to say out loud what some may be thinking privately. Are 

Greens in Ohio and Oregon and Montana and in the Central Valley of California going to go tabling 

at their local farmer's market and say: 



"Here's our Black Panther Green Party candidate FOR PRESIDENT!" ? 



Rhetoric aside, what do any of us really know about this candidate?



We need to know.  




   
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 11:46:27 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:46:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] New  Radio Show- Impeachment Rallies
In-Reply-To: <E1HNCFN-0003MP-GD@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <966537.564.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Carol, 

Please, please, please, as we've talked about several times before its
not 'you Greens' its US GREENS.  YOU'RE US last time I checked!  And
yes of course some of us will` interested in joining with you for an
impeachment rally the second Wednesday of the month in Lyton plaza at
1-3pm!  Awesome!  I'm please to see you getting better at tooting your
own horn because really Carol you've done SO, SO MUCH and you need to
give yourself (and in return receive) much gratitude from Greens and
patriotic Americans everywhere!  Keep on impreaching sister!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


--- Carol Brouillet <cbrouillet at igc.org> wrote:

> FYI
> 
> I agreed to do a weekly 2 hour radio show on the new We the People 
> Radio Network ( http://www.wtprn.com ).  It should start in a couple 
> of weeks.  I'd like to call it Questioning War- Organizing 
> Resistance- if anyone has a better idea for a title let me know [I've
> been questioning the war on terrorism for quite some time and have 
> always felt it was a race between organizing repression and 
> organizing resistance].
> 
> I also will go ahead and work on Impeachment rallies beginning at 1 
> pm in Lytton Plaza on the second Wednesdays of the month- especially 
> if you Greens will join me.  We began collecting signatures at the 
> Impeachment event at the Grand Lake Theater, March 22nd. (I also 
> posted my aborted speech at 
> http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/02/22/18367157.php Impeachment,
> 9/11, Overcoming Fear, Showing Courage which includes Tian's great
doctored photo of the Valentine's Day Love America-Impeach Bush rally.
> 
> Carol Brouillet
> Green Party Congressional Candidate in 2006 for the 14th District on 
> a 9/11 Truth, Impeachment, Peace platform

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  2 12:04:34 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:04:34 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
References: <8C92B162EC371A5-1EC0-7ADB@mblk-r29.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <45E88352.8070800@earthlink.net>


Alex,

I am unclear what you are trying to do here.  Are you asking for
input from others on what they/we think of having someone from
outside the county on the list?

I don't have an easy answer.  Some thoughts:

- I think anyone should be able to subscribe.

- I am not sure how much participation should be ok from
   someone outside the county.

- I was on the Vermont Green Party list until they discontinued
   it due to excessive infighting.  I rarely participated, but
   when I did it was usually to provide some perspective available
   only to outsiders.  I think I always/usually mentioned that I
   was in California.  No one ever objected to my participation
   (at least I never heard of any objections).

- Mark sent 4 emails in a short period on a specific subject,
   but had never sent any emails before.  So I don't think his
   emails are excessive so far.

- I appreciate the emails from you (Alex) whether you are in
   or out of the county.

Gerry Gras
Member of the County Council


alexcathy at aol.com wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> A question has come up on the South San Francisco Bay Green list about 
> the participation of a Green activist from Ohio. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> -----Begin Original Message-----
> From: MLause at cinci.rr.com
> To: jamboi at yahoo.com; tnharter at ispwest.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 4:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
> 
> Ah, well.
> 
> 
> 
> If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been on this
> 
> list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy organization with
> 
> an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
> 
> 
> 
> . . . 
> 
> 
> 
> In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave you
> 
> "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your past
> 
> decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those decisions have
> 
> made things here in the cornbelt.
> 
> 
> 
> Solidarity!
> 
> Mark L.
> 
> 
> 
> -----End Original Message-----
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This situation is precisely why I was originally so excited about the Green Commons Web Site.  
> 
> 
> 
> Since we are totally ignored by the mainstream media, it is almost impossible 
> 
> to know about Green activity around the country or even around the State.  I used to
> 
> live in Northern California, but my wife and I recently moved to Los Angeles.  I follow 
> 
> sosfbay-discuss because I am interested, I personally know many of the people, and I we get 
> 
> nothing from the Los Angeles MSM about what goes on among Bay Area Greens. 
> 
> 
> 
> Furthermore, if an individual Green is successful, then that person is seen as even 
> 
> more threatening to the status quo, and therefore, more likely to be blackballed by the
> 
> MSM.  Thus, for example, when Gayle McLaughlin was elected Mayor of Richmond, that 
> 
> should have been a big, statewide story.  Instead, the MSM buried it.  As I write this the 
> 
> City of Los Angeles is struggling (yet, again) to deal with new wave of gang violence.  Alas,
> 
> it is unthinkable that the good-for-nothing MSM would even mention that McLaughlin is dealing
> 
> with these very issues in Richmond or that Donna Warren has literally been on the front lines
> 
> in this particular battle right in inner-city LA for many years. The Los Angeles Times  
> 
> dutifuly reported the current troubles of San Fransisco Democratic Mayor Gavin Newsome, 
> 
> but of course, they never mention that the good people of San Francisco had a superior alternative
> 
> when they elected San Francisco's "Little Bill Clinton" back in 2003.  
> 
> 
> 
> As an African-American I have been dying to get input about what works and what doesn't work 
> 
> for Greens organizing in so-called minority communities.  
> 
> 
> 
> I have had a nice exchange of views with one sister in Los Angeles about Barack Obama.  I 
> 
> received an e-mail from KCM Curry touting her own candidacy, but otherwise I'm getting nothing. 
> 
> 
> 
> In 2004 a tremendous amount of time and effort went into certifying the Green Party Black Caucus.  
> 
> Members of the GPBC went to the national convention and gave a nice presentation.  There were the
> 
> familiar charges and counter-charges of racism. Almost every day somebody would post that 
> 
> Green Party was hopelessly "racist."  And almost every day I replied with a post that said: 
> 
> "Compared to what?"      
> 
> 
> 
> Despite all this, fights over Nader vs Cobb, a silly dispute with the Lavender Greens, and an even 
> 
> sillier objection to a Black Latina joining the group (BTW, I am proud to say that when the matter 
> 
> finally came to a vote, the group voted overwhelmingly to accept the Latina sister), 
> 
> the Green Party Black Caucus was duly certified and Michelle Tingling-Simmons elected chair.  
> 
> 
> 
> Guess what?
> 
> 
> 
> It almost immediately fell apart!
> 
> 
> 
> I have seen this sort of thing in other organizations before and it's one of the reasons why I am 
> 
> one of the very few "minority" activists nowadays who does not believe in "minority" caucuses.  
> 
> Despite the best intentions of the best people involved in these efforts, they almost always end up 
> 
> being both divisive and a waste of money, energy, and time.  This "caucuses" model is a throwback 
> 
> to the '40s, '50s, and '60s when old white men in smoke-filled rooms in the Democratic Party and 
> 
> in the AFL-CIO allowed... grudgingly... a few "minorites" to participate.  It is just my eccentric
> 
> personal opinion, but I think this is part of the Democratic-Repubican legacy that Greens would discard.
> 
> 
> 
> But I digress.  
> 
> 
> 
> My point in relating this story is that some mechanism needs to be in place to allow an exchange
> 
> of ideas, techniques, and experiences among far-flung Greens.  When the Green Party Black Caucus 
> 
> was active, I read posts by couple of well-informed members of the Illinois Green Party 
> 
> about a certain Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama.  I'd love to know what these brothers 
> 
> think today but I've lost those contacts. 
> 
> 
> 
> One of the posts to sosfbay-discuss asked the fellow from Ohio whatever happened to all the Green
> 
> activity right after the 2004 elections in Ohio?  Good question.  I would really like to know. Ohio 
> 
> happens to be one of the states where we could surely use some hard-hitting Black Greens.  I mean, 
> 
> the Black Republican Kenneth Blackwell was the one who masterminded the stolen election, and the 
> 
> clueless, weak Black Democrats around Cleveland were the ones who let the "Brotha" get away with
> 
> it.  And working-class Cleveland is the base for none other than Dennis Kucinich.  By now Cleveland
> 
> should be ripe for revolution!  
> 
> 
> 
> Comes now, from out of nowhere, Elaine Brown declaring her candidacy for president.  
> 
> 
> 
> I know she ran as Green Party candidate for mayor of a city in Georgia.  
> 
> 
> 
> I know her history in the Black Panther Party in California (and most of what I know is not good).  
> 
> 
> 
> Now she wants the Green Party to nominate her for President of the United States?  
> 
> 
> 
> For PRESIDENT? 
> 
> 
> 
> I guess it falls on me, the Black guy, to say out loud what some may be thinking privately. Are 
> 
> Greens in Ohio and Oregon and Montana and in the Central Valley of California going to go tabling 
> 
> at their local farmer's market and say: 
> 
> 
> 
> "Here's our Black Panther Green Party candidate FOR PRESIDENT!" ? 
> 
> 
> 
> Rhetoric aside, what do any of us really know about this candidate?
> 
> 
> 
> We need to know.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Mar  2 12:02:28 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:02:28 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] AG Gonzales on the way out?
Message-ID: <45E882D4.9070207@charter.net>

The degree to which the US Attorney General's office has been 
politicized has not been seen since the days of John Mitchell.  Maybe it 
is coming to an end.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/01/AR2007030101368.html?referrer=email 


*House Panel Subpoenas Fired U.S. Attorneys
*By Dan Eggen and Paul Kane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, March 2, 2007; A04

Democrats issued their first major subpoenas yesterday since taking 
control of Congress, as a House subcommittee voted to compel testimony 
from four former U.S. attorneys who were part of a wave of firings by 
the Justice Department.

The Judiciary subcommittee on commercial and administrative law approved 
the subpoenas for former prosecutors in Arkansas, New Mexico, Seattle 
and San Diego -- all of whom will be required to appear for testimony at 
a hearing Tuesday. The Senate Judiciary Committee announced plans for a 
similar hearing on the same day.

The moves mark the latest escalation in the battle between congressional 
Democrats and the Justice Department over the controversial dismissals 
of eight U.S. attorneys, at least five of whom were presiding over 
public corruption probes when they were fired.

"Are these people being removed for doing their job and for it doing it 
too well?" asked Rep. Linda T. Sanchez (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the 
panel, who called the subpoenas "a last resort."

-- 

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Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
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From alexcathy at aol.com  Fri Mar  2 12:32:05 2007
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:32:05 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <45E88352.8070800@earthlink.net>
References: <8C92B162EC371A5-1EC0-7ADB@mblk-r29.sysops.aol.com>
	<45E88352.8070800@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8C92B20F9D43DB7-CC8-79F1@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com>

 Dear Gerry, 
 
 I am saying there needs to be SOME mechanism to exchange ideas. 
 
 That was all I really wanted to say, but as usual, I got carried away. 
 
 My long-winded commentary was an attempt to explain why having that 
 mechanism is important to me. 
  
 
 Alex 
  
 
 -----Begin Original Message-----
 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
 To: alexcathy at aol.com
 Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:04 PM
 
   Alex, 
 
 I am unclear what you are trying to do here. Are you asking for 
 input from others on what they/we think of having someone from 
 outside the county on the list? 
 
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Fri Mar  2 14:25:17 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:25:17 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
References: 99753.73192.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com
Message-ID: <45E8A44D.7050402@ispwest.com>

I think it's really wrong to tell the only Green in Ohio to go away,
just because he doesn't attend the same meetings you do. Such
xenophobia will only cause trouble. The public is invited to watch.
We should restrict censoring to the worst of the spammers, which
this person clearly isn't.

JamBoi wrote:

>Mark, I have to ask where you are writing from.  I'm feeling
>uncomfortable with someone from outside our County and outside our
>State giving so much input to the discussion group for the Santa Clara
>County, CA. Please respect our autonomy and please don't continue
>overdo it with what might be considered outsider spam by some.  
>Grassroots Democracy, Decentralization and all that.  Maybe once we
>find out where you're from we could find or create a more appropriate
>forum that is inclusive of only those interested in this topic. 
>Thanks!
>
>Drew Johnson
>County Council of Santa Clara County
>
>--- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Mark Lause wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>One more is all I have time for right now....  Saying that things
>>>      
>>>
>>improved
>>    
>>
>>>after 2006 doesn't make what I said about the impact of 2004
>>>      
>>>
>>outdated.  The
>>    
>>
>>>impact of 2004 was what it was regardless of what happened
>>>      
>>>
>>afterwards.  And,
>>    
>>
>>>if vote totals measured the state of the party rather than voter
>>>      
>>>
>>discontent,
>>    
>>
>>>we'd have been in great shape in 2001.  But we weren't.
>>>
>>>A lot of these state organizations consist of local groups that
>>>      
>>>
>>don't
>>    
>>
>>>actually meet or do anything.  2004 left my entire state with only
>>>      
>>>
>>one or
>>    
>>
>>>two local groups functioning.  Despite the fact that this situation
>>>      
>>>
>>really
>>    
>>
>>>hadn't improved in 2006, we did run some good state campaigns.  Yet,
>>>      
>>>
>>those
>>    
>>
>>>tens of thousands of votes did not leave us an organization with
>>>      
>>>
>>appreciably
>>    
>>
>>>more people.  It never made us better at involving and integrating
>>>      
>>>
>>new
>>    
>>
>>>people into the party.
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>What state is your local state? Here in Santa Clara County there
>>might only be one or two active Green groups, but in California
>>there are A LOT more than that.
>>    
>>

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
We had an earthquake during last evening's Green Party meeting.



From tnharter at ispwest.com  Fri Mar  2 14:38:32 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:38:32 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott
Message-ID: <45E8A768.8030904@ispwest.com>

Last evening at the meeting I suggested we endorse the boycott of large 
corporations
between April 15th and April 22nd of this year. I was told to post the 
request to this
list and we could go from there. Here it is:

I propose that we endorse the boycott of corporate shopping from tax day 
to earth
day this year, put an announcement ot that effect on our website, and 
try to stay
out of any store with a nationally recognised brand during that period 
ourselves.

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
We had an earthquake during last evening's Green Party meeting.



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  2 16:32:10 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:32:10 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott
References: <45E8A768.8030904@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <45E8C20A.4080603@earthlink.net>


For more info about the boycott:

     http://wearenotbuyingit.org/

Gerry




Tian Harter wrote:

> Last evening at the meeting I suggested we endorse the boycott of large 
> corporations
> between April 15th and April 22nd of this year. I was told to post the 
> request to this
> list and we could go from there. Here it is:
> 
> I propose that we endorse the boycott of corporate shopping from tax day 
> to earth
> day this year, put an announcement ot that effect on our website, and 
> try to stay
> out of any store with a nationally recognised brand during that period 
> ourselves.
> 
> 




From tnharter at ispwest.com  Fri Mar  2 16:52:29 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:52:29 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott
In-Reply-To: <45E8A768.8030904@ispwest.com> 45E8C20A.4080603@earthlink.net
References: <45E8A768.8030904@ispwest.com> 45E8C20A.4080603@earthlink.net
Message-ID: <45E8C6CD.707@ispwest.com>

I visited that site before I wrote my proposal, but I didn't referance it.
I would rather we endorese the general idea than that implementation.
It's simply too thick with extra information and vitriol about the 
incumbents.

Tian

Gerry Gras wrote:

>
> For more info about the boycott:
>
>     http://wearenotbuyingit.org/
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
> Tian Harter wrote:
>
>> Last evening at the meeting I suggested we endorse the boycott of 
>> large corporations
>> between April 15th and April 22nd of this year. I was told to post 
>> the request to this
>> list and we could go from there. Here it is:
>>
>> I propose that we endorse the boycott of corporate shopping from tax 
>> day to earth
>> day this year, put an announcement ot that effect on our website, and 
>> try to stay
>> out of any store with a nationally recognised brand during that 
>> period ourselves.
>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
We had an earthquake during last evening's Green Party meeting.



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 00:14:45 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:14:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <45E8A44D.7050402@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <109111.26421.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>

I believe you're misinterpreting my stance Tian.  AND I DON'T
APPRECIATE your charge that my action has ANYTHING TO DO WITH
"XENOPHOBIA".  Give me an effing break Tian!  I ain't "telling him to
go away", I'm creating a more appropriate space where not just he and
us but everyone across this great nation of ours can talk about these
vital issues and I'm inviting him to join all interested parties there.
 Local County lists need to be controlled by Locals and not spammed by
folks from other parts of the globe.

Green means GO!

Drew

--- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:

> I think it's really wrong to tell the only Green in Ohio to go away,
> just because he doesn't attend the same meetings you do. Such
> xenophobia will only cause trouble. The public is invited to watch.
> We should restrict censoring to the worst of the spammers, which
> this person clearly isn't.
> 
> JamBoi wrote:
> 
> >Mark, I have to ask where you are writing from.  I'm feeling
> >uncomfortable with someone from outside our County and outside our
> >State giving so much input to the discussion group for the Santa
> Clara
> >County, CA. Please respect our autonomy and please don't continue
> >overdo it with what might be considered outsider spam by some.  
> >Grassroots Democracy, Decentralization and all that.  Maybe once we
> >find out where you're from we could find or create a more
> appropriate
> >forum that is inclusive of only those interested in this topic. 
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Drew Johnson
> >County Council of Santa Clara County
> >
> >--- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Mark Lause wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>One more is all I have time for right now....  Saying that things
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>improved
> >>    
> >>
> >>>after 2006 doesn't make what I said about the impact of 2004
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>outdated.  The
> >>    
> >>
> >>>impact of 2004 was what it was regardless of what happened
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>afterwards.  And,
> >>    
> >>
> >>>if vote totals measured the state of the party rather than voter
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>discontent,
> >>    
> >>
> >>>we'd have been in great shape in 2001.  But we weren't.
> >>>
> >>>A lot of these state organizations consist of local groups that
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>don't
> >>    
> >>
> >>>actually meet or do anything.  2004 left my entire state with only
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>one or
> >>    
> >>
> >>>two local groups functioning.  Despite the fact that this
> situation
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>really
> >>    
> >>
> >>>hadn't improved in 2006, we did run some good state campaigns. 
> Yet,
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>those
> >>    
> >>
> >>>tens of thousands of votes did not leave us an organization with
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>appreciably
> >>    
> >>
> >>>more people.  It never made us better at involving and integrating
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>new
> >>    
> >>
> >>>people into the party.
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>What state is your local state? Here in Santa Clara County there
> >>might only be one or two active Green groups, but in California
> >>there are A LOT more than that.
> >>    
> >>
> 
> -- 
> Tian

___________________

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 00:25:29 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:25:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <8C92B20F9D43DB7-CC8-79F1@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <932109.56650.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree we need such forums, and that is EXACTLY WHY I proposed we
create a list for CountyDev at Greens.org and one for
GPUSCandidates at Greens.org .  Couldn't make more sense.  But not on our
local lists, thank you.  Also please participate on
http://GreenCommons.org !!!

Green means GO!

Drew

--- alexcathy at aol.com wrote:

>  Dear Gerry, 
>  
>  I am saying there needs to be SOME mechanism to exchange ideas. 
>  
>  That was all I really wanted to say, but as usual, I got carried
> away. 
>  
>  My long-winded commentary was an attempt to explain why having that 
>  mechanism is important to me. 
>   
>  
>  Alex 
>   
>  
>  -----Begin Original Message-----
>  From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
>  To: alexcathy at aol.com
>  Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:04 PM
>  
>    Alex, 
>  
>  I am unclear what you are trying to do here. Are you asking for 
>  input from others on what they/we think of having someone from 
>  outside the county on the list? 
>  
>  -----End Original Message-----
>  
>  
>    
>
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> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 00:33:09 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:33:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott
In-Reply-To: <45E8A768.8030904@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <20070303083309.70346.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, and the other part that needs to be mentioned is that the purpose
of the Boycott is to support impeachment!!!  In response to Pelosi's
statement on behalf of her Corporate Overlords that "impeachment is off
the table" this represents us saying OH NO ITS NOT.  IMPEACHMENT IS
SQUARELY IN THE CENTER OF THE TABLE!!!  

Its We The People's action to wake up the Corporate Parties, bang them
on the head (nonviolently of course) and let them know We The People
Want IMPEACHMENT NOW!!! Here's the web site 
http://www.wearenotbuyingit.org/

So the question goes to the County Council.  I'm strongly in favor of
endorsing our participation in this boycott.  Gerry, Jim???

Impeach for Peace!!!

Drew


--- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:

> Last evening at the meeting I suggested we endorse the boycott of
> large corporations between April 15th and April 22nd of this year. I
was told to post
> the request to this list and we could go from there. Here it is:
> 
> I propose that we endorse the boycott of corporate shopping from tax
> day to earth day this year, put an announcement ot that effect on our
website, and
> try to stay out of any store with a nationally recognised brand
during that
> period ourselves.
> 
> -- 
> Tian

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From pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com  Sat Mar  3 05:41:53 2007
From: pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com (Paul & Mary Engstrom)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 05:41:53 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <109111.26421.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <109111.26421.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8895F1EA-CB83-4EC0-9833-19C24A4376BC@macreviewzone.com>




Greens

Stop infighting. Discourages and reduces image of what Green Party is  
all about. Criticize establishment wrongs . Promote Green cooperation  
and mutual support.

   For solidarity-- not egotistic individualism

Paul


On Mar 3, 2007, at 12:14 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> I believe you're misinterpreting my stance Tian.  AND I DON'T
> APPRECIATE your charge that my action has ANYTHING TO DO WITH
> "XENOPHOBIA".  Give me an effing break Tian!  I ain't "telling him to
> go away", I'm creating a more appropriate space where not just he and
> us but everyone across this great nation of ours can talk about these
> vital issues and I'm inviting him to join all interested parties  
> there.
>  Local County lists need to be controlled by Locals and not spammed by
> folks from other parts of the globe.
>
> Green means GO!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it's really wrong to tell the only Green in Ohio to go away,
>> just because he doesn't attend the same meetings you do. Such
>> xenophobia will only cause trouble. The public is invited to watch.
>> We should restrict censoring to the worst of the spammers, which
>> this person clearly isn't.
>>
>> JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, I have to ask where you are writing from.  I'm feeling
>>> uncomfortable with someone from outside our County and outside our
>>> State giving so much input to the discussion group for the Santa
>> Clara
>>> County, CA. Please respect our autonomy and please don't continue
>>> overdo it with what might be considered outsider spam by some.
>>> Grassroots Democracy, Decentralization and all that.  Maybe once we
>>> find out where you're from we could find or create a more
>> appropriate
>>> forum that is inclusive of only those interested in this topic.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Drew Johnson
>>> County Council of Santa Clara County
>>>
>>> --- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mark Lause wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> One more is all I have time for right now....  Saying that things
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> improved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> after 2006 doesn't make what I said about the impact of 2004
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> outdated.  The
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> impact of 2004 was what it was regardless of what happened
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> afterwards.  And,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> if vote totals measured the state of the party rather than voter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> discontent,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> we'd have been in great shape in 2001.  But we weren't.
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of these state organizations consist of local groups that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> don't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> actually meet or do anything.  2004 left my entire state with only
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> one or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> two local groups functioning.  Despite the fact that this
>> situation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> really
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hadn't improved in 2006, we did run some good state campaigns.
>> Yet,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> those
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> tens of thousands of votes did not leave us an organization with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> appreciably
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> more people.  It never made us better at involving and integrating
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> new
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> people into the party.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What state is your local state? Here in Santa Clara County there
>>>> might only be one or two active Green groups, but in California
>>>> there are A LOT more than that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tian
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
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>
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> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
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From palmheaven at gmail.com  Sat Mar  3 07:50:07 2007
From: palmheaven at gmail.com (Palm Haven Handyman)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:50:07 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott
In-Reply-To: <20070303083309.70346.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <45E8A768.8030904@ispwest.com>
	<20070303083309.70346.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e30eed7e0703030750o6d79e998n5069ac400269df5c@mail.gmail.com>

I am totally in favor of the boycott, and want to help get the word out.

I agree that we need to help make it very clear that the boycott is being
done to bring IMPEACHMENT to the table.

We the people have the power, the power of the dollar.

The key to making this work, in my humble opinion, is to to enlist the help
of the immigrant population.

The Green Party's best chance is to be seen as the leader for the poor and
the young.

The greatest untapped power in the world today is the vast number of
Americans who are not registered to vote, or who do not vote because they
think it is a waste of time.

One day the green party will be there with viable candidates and realistic
answers, and the poor and immigrant and apatheic masses will be so totally
fed up with their domination that they WILL register and they WILL vote, and
sweep Greens into control of our country.  One day, and probably in our
lifetimes.  I am so excited just thinking about it!

Roy III

On 3/3/07, JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, and the other part that needs to be mentioned is that the purpose
> of the Boycott is to support impeachment!!!  In response to Pelosi's
> statement on behalf of her Corporate Overlords that "impeachment is off
> the table" this represents us saying OH NO ITS NOT.  IMPEACHMENT IS
> SQUARELY IN THE CENTER OF THE TABLE!!!
>
> Its We The People's action to wake up the Corporate Parties, bang them
> on the head (nonviolently of course) and let them know We The People
> Want IMPEACHMENT NOW!!! Here's the web site
> http://www.wearenotbuyingit.org/
>
> So the question goes to the County Council.  I'm strongly in favor of
> endorsing our participation in this boycott.  Gerry, Jim???
>
> Impeach for Peace!!!
>
> Drew
>
>
> --- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:
>
> > Last evening at the meeting I suggested we endorse the boycott of
> > large corporations between April 15th and April 22nd of this year. I
> was told to post
> > the request to this list and we could go from there. Here it is:
> >
> > I propose that we endorse the boycott of corporate shopping from tax
> > day to earth day this year, put an announcement ot that effect on our
> website, and
> > try to stay out of any store with a nationally recognised brand
> during that
> > period ourselves.
> >
> > --
> > Tian
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 00:22:38 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:22:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <45E88352.8070800@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <306687.11674.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com>

I feel the four e-mails from Mark in rapid succession were starting to
approach spamming.  He has a legit point of view, certainly, but that
doesn't entitle him to intervene in another party.  NOPE!

Alex I've been feeling kinda borderline about and have considered
saying something.  The fact that he seems to have built bonds here from
before stayed my hand.  People who've spent time with us I think counts
for something.  So occasional input from people who've moved away I
would welcome.  It'd be nice to hear from Jim Moreno for instance.  

On the other hand we Greens are all about Decentralization and spamming
from afar is an insidious form of Centralization.  So I'll continue to
'just say no' if folks who are not in our county overdo it.  After all,
they have their own Counties to be doing their work in and need to be
about their own work, not meddling in ours.

Green means GO!

Drew

--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> Alex,
> 
> I am unclear what you are trying to do here.  Are you asking for
> input from others on what they/we think of having someone from
> outside the county on the list?
> 
> I don't have an easy answer.  Some thoughts:
> 
> - I think anyone should be able to subscribe.
> 
> - I am not sure how much participation should be ok from
>    someone outside the county.
> 
> - I was on the Vermont Green Party list until they discontinued
>    it due to excessive infighting.  I rarely participated, but
>    when I did it was usually to provide some perspective available
>    only to outsiders.  I think I always/usually mentioned that I
>    was in California.  No one ever objected to my participation
>    (at least I never heard of any objections).
> 
> - Mark sent 4 emails in a short period on a specific subject,
>    but had never sent any emails before.  So I don't think his
>    emails are excessive so far.
> 
> - I appreciate the emails from you (Alex) whether you are in
>    or out of the county.
> 
> Gerry Gras
> Member of the County Council
> 
> 
> alexcathy at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > A question has come up on the South San Francisco Bay Green list
> about 
> > the participation of a Green activist from Ohio. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > -----Begin Original Message-----
> > From: MLause at cinci.rr.com
> > To: jamboi at yahoo.com; tnharter at ispwest.com;
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 4:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
> > 
> > Ah, well.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been
> on this
> > 
> > list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy
> organization with
> > 
> > an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > . . . 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave
> you
> > 
> > "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your
> past
> > 
> > decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those
> decisions have
> > 
> > made things here in the cornbelt.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Solidarity!
> > 
> > Mark L.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----End Original Message-----
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This situation is precisely why I was originally so excited about
> the Green Commons Web Site.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Since we are totally ignored by the mainstream media, it is almost
> impossible 
> > 
> > to know about Green activity around the country or even around the
> State.  I used to
> > 
> > live in Northern California, but my wife and I recently moved to
> Los Angeles.  I follow 
> > 
> > sosfbay-discuss because I am interested, I personally know many of
> the people, and I we get 
> > 
> > nothing from the Los Angeles MSM about what goes on among Bay Area
> Greens. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Furthermore, if an individual Green is successful, then that person
> is seen as even 
> > 
> > more threatening to the status quo, and therefore, more likely to
> be blackballed by the
> > 
> > MSM.  Thus, for example, when Gayle McLaughlin was elected Mayor of
> Richmond, that 
> > 
> > should have been a big, statewide story.  Instead, the MSM buried
> it.  As I write this the 
> > 
> > City of Los Angeles is struggling (yet, again) to deal with new
> wave of gang violence.  Alas,
> > 
> > it is unthinkable that the good-for-nothing MSM would even mention
> that McLaughlin is dealing
> > 
> > with these very issues in Richmond or that Donna Warren has
> literally been on the front lines
> > 
> > in this particular battle right in inner-city LA for many years.
> The Los Angeles Times  
> > 
> > dutifuly reported the current troubles of San Fransisco Democratic
> Mayor Gavin Newsome, 
> > 
> > but of course, they never mention that the good people of San
> Francisco had a superior alternative
> > 
> > when they elected San Francisco's "Little Bill Clinton" back in
> 2003.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > As an African-American I have been dying to get input about what
> works and what doesn't work 
> > 
> > for Greens organizing in so-called minority communities.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have had a nice exchange of views with one sister in Los Angeles
> about Barack Obama.  I 
> > 
> > received an e-mail from KCM Curry touting her own candidacy, but
> otherwise I'm getting nothing. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > In 2004 a tremendous amount of time and effort went into certifying
> the Green Party Black Caucus.  
> > 
> > Members of the GPBC went to the national convention and gave a nice
> presentation.  There were the
> > 
> > familiar charges and counter-charges of racism. Almost every day
> somebody would post that 
> > 
> > Green Party was hopelessly "racist."  And almost every day I
> replied with a post that said: 
> > 
> > "Compared to what?"      
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Despite all this, fights over Nader vs Cobb, a silly dispute with
> the Lavender Greens, and an even 
> > 
> > sillier objection to a Black Latina joining the group (BTW, I am
> proud to say that when the matter 
> > 
> > finally came to a vote, the group voted overwhelmingly to accept
> the Latina sister), 
> > 
> > the Green Party Black Caucus was duly certified and Michelle
> Tingling-Simmons elected chair.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Guess what?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It almost immediately fell apart!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have seen this sort of thing in other organizations before and
> it's one of the reasons why I am 
> > 
> > one of the very few "minority" activists nowadays who does not
> believe in "minority" caucuses.  
> > 
> > Despite the best intentions of the best people involved in these
> efforts, they almost always end up 
> > 
> > being both divisive and a waste of money, energy, and time.  This
> "caucuses" model is a throwback 
> > 
> > to the '40s, '50s, and '60s when old white men in smoke-filled
> rooms in the Democratic Party and 
> > 
> > in the AFL-CIO allowed... grudgingly... a few "minorites" to
> participate.  It is just my eccentric
> > 
> > personal opinion, but I think this is part of the
> Democratic-Repubican legacy that Greens would discard.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > But I digress.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > My point in relating this story is that some mechanism needs to be
> in place to allow an exchange
> > 
> > of ideas, techniques, and experiences among far-flung Greens.  When
> the Green Party Black Caucus 
> > 
> > was active, I read posts by couple of well-informed members of the
> Illinois Green Party 
> > 
> > about a certain Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama.  I'd
> love to know what these brothers 
> > 
> > think today but I've lost those contacts. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > One of the posts to sosfbay-discuss asked the fellow from Ohio
> whatever happened to all the Green
> > 
> > activity right after the 2004 elections in Ohio?  Good question.  I
> would really like to know. Ohio 
> > 
> > happens to be one of the states where we could surely use some
> hard-hitting Black Greens.  I mean, 
> > 
> > the Black Republican Kenneth Blackwell was the one who masterminded
> the stolen election, and the 
> > 
> > clueless, weak Black Democrats around Cleveland were the ones who
> let the "Brotha" get away with
> > 
> > it.  And working-class Cleveland is the base for none other than
> Dennis Kucinich.  By now Cleveland
> > 
> > should be ripe for revolution!  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Comes now, from out of nowhere, Elaine Brown declaring her
> candidacy for president.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I know she ran as Green Party candidate for mayor of a city in
> Georgia.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I know her history in the Black Panther Party in California (and
> most of what I know is not good).  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Now she wants the Green Party to nominate her for President of the
> United States?  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > For PRESIDENT? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I guess it falls on me, the Black guy, to say out loud what some
> may be thinking privately. Are 
> > 
> > Greens in Ohio and Oregon and Montana and in the Central Valley of
> California going to go tabling 
> > 
> > at their local farmer's market and say: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Here's our Black Panther Green Party candidate FOR PRESIDENT!" ? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rhetoric aside, what do any of us really know about this candidate?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > We need to know.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Sat Mar  3 09:07:16 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:07:16 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
Message-ID: <E1HNXhU-00014R-00@truffula>


>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:22:38 -0800 (PST)
>From: JamBoi <jamboi[-at]yahoo.com>
>To: Gerry Gras <gerrygras[-at]earthlink.net>, alexcathy[-at]aol.com
>Cc: MLause[-at]cinci.rr.com, sosfbay-discuss[-at]cagreens.org, gplac-forum[-at]cagreens.org,
>	jamboi[-at]yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places

>I feel the four e-mails from Mark in rapid succession were starting to
>approach spamming.


   "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,
   "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
   Lewis Carroll -- Through the Looking Glass, Chapter 6

When a word's already been defined, it's not useful
to use it to mean something else.
http://www.spamhaus.org/faq/answers.lasso?section=Glossary#181
http://www.mail-abuse.com/an_listmgntgdlines.html

Spamming is a crime in the European Union and Australia.
It's legal in the US if you follow certain rules.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/canspam.htm

Posting off-topic on a mailing list may be annoying, but
it's not a crime, even in France.

The charter of this mailing list is "GP of Santa Clara County discussion."
I've never seen a need to narrow it down.


-- 
Cameron
(sosfbay-discuss-owner at cagreens.org)
http://greens.org/cls/



From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Mar  3 09:08:30 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:08:30 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Trails and tribulations
Message-ID: <45E9AB8E.8010304@charter.net>

This past Thursday evening, Charlie Rose featured a full program talking 
with British Nobel Laureate, Harold Pinter.   Pintet's play dealt very 
much with the issues of the use of power, often for no other ends than 
the exertion of power.

In the last half of the interview, Pinter made the assertion that Bush, 
Cheney and Rumsfeld should be brought up on charges before an 
international tribunal.  The charge?  Mass Murder.

The Pinter interview is archived and currently viewable at 
http://www.charlierose.com/

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Mar  3 09:57:09 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:57:09 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott
Message-ID: <45E9B6F5.402@charter.net>

JamBoi wrote:
> Yes, and the other part that needs to be mentioned is that the purpose
> of the Boycott is to support impeachment!!!  
I support the idea of a boycott. I also think that the association with 
the issue of impeachment is a stretch for most. But, there is a much 
more insidious intrusion of corporations into our lives that needs to be 
called out and stopped. There is trouble right here in River City, oops, 
I meant Santa Clara County.

I would suggest that we are selling our future for a pittance just 
because we fail to take acknowledge what we owe our neighbors, our 
children and grand children, our selves. So, we have HP Pavilion, Oracle 
Arena & McAfee Coliseum. We allow Pepsi and Coca Cola exclusive rights 
to sell food in our schools just to raise a bit more money instead of 
our taxes. We have the Federal government seeking to sell naming rights 
to our national parks. Some have even branded their towns, as in Dish, 
Texas.

According to Friday's Morgan Hill Times,

> The Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors is endorsing a plan 
> <http://www.sccgov.org/SCC/docs/SCC%20Public%20Portal/keyboard%20agenda/Committee%20Agenda/2007/February%201,%202007/TMPKeyboard201806071.pdf> 
> to raise money from the private sector by selling opportunities for 
> advertising and marketing.
>
> The county is considering several ways to generate additional revenue 
> that include: beverage and snack vending contracts, offering a variety 
> of advertising opportunities including Web site advertising, selling 
> special event sponsorship packages, selling naming rights and 
> community giving campaigns.
>
> The county's consultant, Active Public Enterprise Group 
> <http://www.theactivenetwork.com/>, (1.)outlined the possibilities in 
> presentation Tuesday to the board of supervisors, showing the program 
> could up to $5 million annually by its third year of operation.
>
> The board endorsed much of the proposal, but raised concerns about 
> billboards and vehicle advertising being too excessive. The board 
> directed staff to make a few modifications to the proposal and return 
> in April with plans for implementation.
(1)The Active Public Enterprise Group is a division of The Active 
Network linked above.

There is a desire to have services without paying for it. We want a full 
range of healthy, active, community oriented government services. We 
want to cut our taxes and keep it all for ourselves.

Just how much of ourselves are we willing to sell to have it all?

Think globally, act locally, we are told. The more of our lives that 
gets a Corporate Sponsor, the more of our soul that they sell.

Antonius Bloch

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From tnharter at ispwest.com  Sat Mar  3 10:50:55 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 10:50:55 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott
References: 45E9B6F5.402@charter.net
Message-ID: <45E9C38F.4090608@ispwest.com>

Wes Rolley wrote:

>JamBoi wrote:
>  
>
>>Yes, and the other part that needs to be mentioned is that the purpose
>>of the Boycott is to support impeachment!!!  
>>    
>>
>I support the idea of a boycott. I also think that the association with 
>the issue of impeachment is a stretch for most. 
>
I'm up for impeachment and I'm up for the boycott. I'll roll with it
either way.

>But, there is a much 
>more insidious intrusion of corporations into our lives that needs to be 
>called out and stopped. There is trouble right here in River City, oops, 
>I meant Santa Clara County.
>  
>
River City... You mean where the mouth of the American River
pours clear, cold water into the big, muddy, Sacramento River?

Santa Clara County was formerly known as "the valley of hearts delight",
now it's "Silicon Valley". Moving the rivers out of River City is a much
bigger project than taking the orchards out of Santa Clara County
and replacing them with Silicon Wafer Fabs, assembly lines, and
Software Development Labs.

I'd say River City will be a river city a lot longer than Sacramento
will be Sacratamato, judging by the way developers are doing in
the farms around town.

>I would suggest that we are selling our future for a pittance just 
>because we fail to take acknowledge what we owe our neighbors, our 
>children and grand children, our selves. So, we have HP Pavilion, Oracle 
>Arena & McAfee Coliseum. We allow Pepsi and Coca Cola exclusive rights 
>to sell food in our schools just to raise a bit more money instead of 
>our taxes. We have the Federal government seeking to sell naming rights 
>to our national parks. Some have even branded their towns, as in Dish, 
>Texas.
>  
>
When I lived in River City the Kings played at Arco Arena.
That bothered me a lot less than the fact State Staffers had
a gas station near where they lived that seemed to always
have cheaper gas than was available in the rest of Sacramento.

>According to Friday's Morgan Hill Times,
>
>  
>
>>The Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors is endorsing a plan 
>><http://www.sccgov.org/SCC/docs/SCC%20Public%20Portal/keyboard%20agenda/Committee%20Agenda/2007/February%201,%202007/TMPKeyboard201806071.pdf> 
>>to raise money from the private sector by selling opportunities for 
>>advertising and marketing.
>>
>>The county is considering several ways to generate additional revenue 
>>that include: beverage and snack vending contracts, offering a variety 
>>of advertising opportunities including Web site advertising, selling 
>>special event sponsorship packages, selling naming rights and 
>>community giving campaigns.
>>
>>The county's consultant, Active Public Enterprise Group 
>><http://www.theactivenetwork.com/>, (1.)outlined the possibilities in 
>>presentation Tuesday to the board of supervisors, showing the program 
>>could up to $5 million annually by its third year of operation.
>>
>>The board endorsed much of the proposal, but raised concerns about 
>>billboards and vehicle advertising being too excessive. The board 
>>directed staff to make a few modifications to the proposal and return 
>>in April with plans for implementation.
>>    
>>
>(1)The Active Public Enterprise Group is a division of The Active 
>Network linked above.
>
>There is a desire to have services without paying for it. We want a full 
>range of healthy, active, community oriented government services. We 
>want to cut our taxes and keep it all for ourselves.
>
>Just how much of ourselves are we willing to sell to have it all?
>
>Think globally, act locally, we are told. The more of our lives that 
>gets a Corporate Sponsor, the more of our soul that they sell.
>
>Antonius Bloch
>
>  
>
I got an email from somebody I knew in Sacramento to the effect
that the City Council there was selling the right to advertise on
the boxer shorts of the Police and Fire Departments.

Ever get that "this is going too far" feeling?

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
We had an earthquake during Thursday's Green Party meeting.



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 17:26:25 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:26:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Wes's concern about SCC advertisements on public
	property (was Re: A Proposal to endorse that boycott)
In-Reply-To: <45E9C38F.4090608@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <20070304012626.76884.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>

It would be SOOOOO much easier to follow folks ideas if they'd actually
change the subject to reflect their content!!!  So please Wes, if you
want to tangent, I'd really enjoy it if you'd go ahead and tangent the
subject line (as I did in this case).

Green for Change!!!

Drew

--- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:

> Wes Rolley wrote:
> 
> >JamBoi wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Yes, and the other part that needs to be mentioned is that the
> purpose
> >>of the Boycott is to support impeachment!!!  
> >>    
> >>
> >I support the idea of a boycott. I also think that the association
> with 
> >the issue of impeachment is a stretch for most. 
> >
> I'm up for impeachment and I'm up for the boycott. I'll roll with it
> either way.
> 
> >But, there is a much 
> >more insidious intrusion of corporations into our lives that needs
> to be 
> >called out and stopped. There is trouble right here in River City,
> oops, 
> >I meant Santa Clara County.
> >  
> >
> River City... You mean where the mouth of the American River
> pours clear, cold water into the big, muddy, Sacramento River?
> 
> Santa Clara County was formerly known as "the valley of hearts
> delight",
> now it's "Silicon Valley". Moving the rivers out of River City is a
> much
> bigger project than taking the orchards out of Santa Clara County
> and replacing them with Silicon Wafer Fabs, assembly lines, and
> Software Development Labs.
> 
> I'd say River City will be a river city a lot longer than Sacramento
> will be Sacratamato, judging by the way developers are doing in
> the farms around town.
> 
> >I would suggest that we are selling our future for a pittance just 
> >because we fail to take acknowledge what we owe our neighbors, our 
> >children and grand children, our selves. So, we have HP Pavilion,
> Oracle 
> >Arena & McAfee Coliseum. We allow Pepsi and Coca Cola exclusive
> rights 
> >to sell food in our schools just to raise a bit more money instead
> of 
> >our taxes. We have the Federal government seeking to sell naming
> rights 
> >to our national parks. Some have even branded their towns, as in
> Dish, 
> >Texas.
> >  
> >
> When I lived in River City the Kings played at Arco Arena.
> That bothered me a lot less than the fact State Staffers had
> a gas station near where they lived that seemed to always
> have cheaper gas than was available in the rest of Sacramento.
> 
> >According to Friday's Morgan Hill Times,
> >
> >  
> >
> >>The Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors is endorsing a plan 
>
>><http://www.sccgov.org/SCC/docs/SCC%20Public%20Portal/keyboard%20agenda/Committee%20Agenda/2007/February%201,%202007/TMPKeyboard201806071.pdf>
> 
> >>to raise money from the private sector by selling opportunities for
> 
> >>advertising and marketing.
> >>
> >>The county is considering several ways to generate additional
> revenue 
> >>that include: beverage and snack vending contracts, offering a
> variety 
> >>of advertising opportunities including Web site advertising,
> selling 
> >>special event sponsorship packages, selling naming rights and 
> >>community giving campaigns.
> >>
> >>The county's consultant, Active Public Enterprise Group 
> >><http://www.theactivenetwork.com/>, (1.)outlined the possibilities
> in 
> >>presentation Tuesday to the board of supervisors, showing the
> program 
> >>could up to $5 million annually by its third year of operation.
> >>
> >>The board endorsed much of the proposal, but raised concerns about 
> >>billboards and vehicle advertising being too excessive. The board 
> >>directed staff to make a few modifications to the proposal and
> return 
> >>in April with plans for implementation.
> >>    
> >>
> >(1)The Active Public Enterprise Group is a division of The Active 
> >Network linked above.
> >
> >There is a desire to have services without paying for it. We want a
> full 
> >range of healthy, active, community oriented government services. We
> 
> >want to cut our taxes and keep it all for ourselves.
> >
> >Just how much of ourselves are we willing to sell to have it all?
> >
> >Think globally, act locally, we are told. The more of our lives that
> 
> >gets a Corporate Sponsor, the more of our soul that they sell.
> >
> >Antonius Bloch
> >
> >  
> >
> I got an email from somebody I knew in Sacramento to the effect
> that the City Council there was selling the right to advertise on
> the boxer shorts of the Police and Fire Departments.
> 
> Ever get that "this is going too far" feeling?
> 
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> We had an earthquake during Thursday's Green Party meeting.
> 
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From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Mar  3 19:40:55 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:40:55 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott - Wes's
 concern about SCC advertisements on public property
In-Reply-To: <20070304012626.76884.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20070304012626.76884.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45EA3FC7.70604@charter.net>

JamBoi wrote:

> It would be SOOOOO much easier to follow folks ideas if they'd actually change the subject to reflect their content!!!  So please Wes, if you want to tangent, I'd really enjoy it if you'd go ahead and tangent the subject line (as I did in this case).
If you follow my original post...

I said that I supported the idea of a boycott.

> I support the idea of a boycott.
I said that attaching it to the impeachment issue was a stretch. (Maybe 
your believe that every large corporation in the US is a direct 
contributor to the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld war crimes. However, it stands 
as unproven.)

> I also think that the association with the issue of impeachment is a 
> stretch for most.
Then, I offered a different rational for the boycott, one that is 
directly concerned with Santa Clara County, where we both live.

> But, there is a much more insidious intrusion of corporations into our 
> lives that needs to be called out and stopped.
Pray tell, how is that a tangent?

I do not agree with the Marxist class struggle logic that is presented 
on the referenced cite and will address that in a different post so as 
not to confuse the issue.

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Mar  3 19:59:05 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 19:59:05 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Boycott for Impeachment
Message-ID: <45EA4409.7030701@charter.net>



When I initially looked at http://www.wearenotbuyingit.org/ I had a hard 
time making the connection.  What is the logical link between boycotting 
all corporations and impeaching Bush.  Bush should be impeached.  That 
idea is valid and stands on it's own.  There is an aspect  of  
contemporary life that is accelerating the growth of the Corporate 
State.   That is worthy of a boycott. 

Tying the two together may lose the legitimacy of both.

If you parse the What a Boycott? language on their home page, it becomes 
clear that this is intended to be the next salvo in a Marxist class 
struggle.
> There exists a group of individuals and families within society who 
> have abused their power, wealth and position for their own benefit, at 
> the cost of quite possibly the survival of our species.
That statement in itself does not indict all corporations and it is 
unspecific about the makeup of  this mysterious "group."

Then, when you follow that statement with ...
> Represented now by the Bush administration this class of people are 
> driving not only towards the destruction of millions of human lives in 
> their quest for more and more wealth and power, but towards the very 
> destruction of America and all that it stands for.
You see that they have taken the "group" from above and substituted for 
it the term "class" and now it become class struggle. 

I would have agreed with the term "group".  Then it gets down to the 
hard work of naming the members of that group.  When you make it a class 
struggle, then you don't. 

My problem, I have worked in a corporate setting where the number one 
problem for the CEO was to find a way to do something that was both 
morally right and right for the business during the years of apartheid 
in South Africa.  That single issue consumed 1/3 of the time of the CEO 
of a multinational corporation.  I know that this is standard of 
behavior that not all corporations live up to.  But then not all state 
agencies do either, nor all worker owned enterprises.

You see, I am much more concerned about the problems of good and evil 
they work themselves out in the lives of real people.  I have yet to 
find any noun ending in "ism" that provides a solution which avoids the 
issues of good and evil. In fact, the best political expression that I 
have yet see are the goals and methods expressed in the 10 KV of the 
Green Party.  This is an attempt to write a prescription for good as 
exemplified in the political arena.  It is neither specifically 
Capitalist nor Marxist.  If fact, it does not require that the economic 
structure be any specific thing at all.  It does require truth and 
justice, characteristics so very much lacking in the current 
administration and for which they should be held accountable. 




-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From WB4D23 at aol.com  Sat Mar  3 20:49:32 2007
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:49:32 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
Message-ID: <c3a.f63be2b.331ba9dc@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 3/2/07 12:32:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
alexcathy at aol.com writes:

I am saying there needs to be SOME mechanism to exchange ideas.   

That was all I really wanted to say, but as usual, I got carried  away.  

My long-winded commentary was an attempt to explain why  having that 
mechanism is important to me. 






We have values of decentralization and grassroots democracy, but there's no  
existing list serve I'm aware of that is expressly designated for County GPs 
to  directly share statewide what are their projects, strategies and  
controversies.
 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  4 00:29:49 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 00:29:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <c3a.f63be2b.331ba9dc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <390497.49591.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com>

Precisely.  So that's what makes my proposal so timely. :-) 
CountyDev at Greens.org.  Let's do it.

Join the Green Evolution!

Drew


--- WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:

>  
> In a message dated 3/2/07 12:32:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
> alexcathy at aol.com writes:
> 
> I am saying there needs to be SOME mechanism to exchange ideas.   
> 
> That was all I really wanted to say, but as usual, I got carried 
> away.  
> 
> My long-winded commentary was an attempt to explain why  having that 
> mechanism is important to me. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> We have values of decentralization and grassroots democracy, but
> there's no  
> existing list serve I'm aware of that is expressly designated for
> County GPs 
> to  directly share statewide what are their projects, strategies and 
> 
> controversies.
>  
> Warner
>  
> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers
> free 
> email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free from AOL at 
> http://www.aol.com.
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  4 00:39:17 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 00:39:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Wes's Further Tangent on Marxism (was Re: A
	Proposal to endorse that impeachment boycott;
	wasre:  Wes's concern about SCC advertisements on public property
In-Reply-To: <45EA3FC7.70604@charter.net>
Message-ID: <129522.36939.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

Wes,

Don't worry about whatever the web site (that Tian was very careful not
to include in his proposal) says.  That is not part of Tian's proposal
- very much by Tian's design.  All he is asking for is endorsement of
the Impeachment Boycott.  Period.  This County Council Member is very
much in favot of Tian's proposal as he proposed it.  Who gives a rip
about whatever motivates some other group.  We Greens are solidly on
the record in support of the power of The People.  Impeachment is the
Nuclear Option of The People.  Its long past time to press the big red
button v Cheney & Bush.  Boycott for impeachment, yes!!!  Corporations
(and their minions Cheney and Bush) NO!!!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > It would be SOOOOO much easier to follow folks ideas if they'd
> actually change the subject to reflect their content!!!  So please
> Wes, if you want to tangent, I'd really enjoy it if you'd go ahead
> and tangent the subject line (as I did in this case).
> If you follow my original post...
> 
> I said that I supported the idea of a boycott.
> 
> > I support the idea of a boycott.
> I said that attaching it to the impeachment issue was a stretch.
> (Maybe 
> your believe that every large corporation in the US is a direct 
> contributor to the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld war crimes. However, it
> stands 
> as unproven.)
> 
> > I also think that the association with the issue of impeachment is
> a stretch for most.

> Then, I offered a different rational for the boycott, one that is 
> directly concerned with Santa Clara County, where we both live.
> 
> > But, there is a much more insidious intrusion of corporations into
> our  lives that needs to be called out and stopped.
> Pray tell, how is that a tangent?
> 
> I do not agree with the Marxist class struggle logic that is
> presented  on the referenced cite and will address that in a
different post so
> as  not to confuse the issue.


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  4 00:41:07 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 00:41:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Boycott for Impeachment
In-Reply-To: <45EA4409.7030701@charter.net>
Message-ID: <994573.61571.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> When I initially looked at http://www.wearenotbuyingit.org/ I had a
> hard  time making the connection.  What is the logical link between
> boycotting  all corporations and impeaching Bush.  Bush should be
impeached. 
> That idea is valid and stands on it's own.  There is an aspect  of  
> contemporary life that is accelerating the growth of the Corporate 
> State.   That is worthy of a boycott. 

That's all we need to know Wes.  So you're agreed that we should
boycott for impeachment.  Great!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  4 19:15:25 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:15:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Global warming is human rights issue: Nobel
	nominee
Message-ID: <578025.96104.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070304/ts_nm/globalwarming_rights_dc

[So in addition to being an impeachable offense...]

Global warming is human rights issue: Nobel nominee
By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent Sun Mar 4, 9:03 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - It sounds like a sick joke about global warming,
with a series of horrible punch lines:

How hot is it? So hot that Inuit people around the Arctic Circle are
using air conditioners for the first time. And running out of the
hard-packed snow they need to build igloos. And falling through melting
ice when they hunt.

These circumstances are the current results of global climate change,
according to Nobel Peace Prize nominee Sheila Watt-Cloutier, an Inuit
born inside the Canadian Arctic, who maintains this constitutes a
violation of human rights for indigenous people in low-lying areas
throughout the world.

Watt-Cloutier and Martin Wagner, an attorney with the environmental law
firm Earthjustice, argued this case on Thursday before the
Inter-American Commission on Human Rights of the Organization of
American States in Washington.

"We weren't going to go to court," Watt-Cloutier said in a telephone
interview after her testimony to the commission. "It wasn't about
lawsuits and suing for damage or compensation.

"It was more about really trying to get the world to pay attention and
see this as a human rights issue."

Their best hope is that the commission will write a report on this
issue, though even getting a hearing in Washington is a victory of
sorts. The commission earlier rejected a petition to hear about alleged
rights violations based solely on U.S. emissions of greenhouse gases.

The human rights commission has scant powers and can do little more
than publicize its findings and propose a resolution to the 35-member
organization.

In her address to the panel, Watt-Cloutier acknowledged the challenge
of connecting climate change and human rights, but noted a practical
purpose for protecting the people she called "the sentinels of climate
change."

ENVIRONMENTAL EARLY-WARNING SYSTEM

"By protecting the rights of those living sustainably in the Amazon
Basin or the rights of the Inuit hunter on the snow and ice, this
commission will also be preserving the world's environmental
early-warning system."

Watt-Cloutier reckons there are millions of such environmental
sentinels at risk, ranging from the Inuit to residents of low-lying
islands that are subject to sea level rise caused by melting ice
sheets.

They chose the Organization of American States as a forum because two
of the countries where Inuit communities live -- the United States and
Canada -- are members. Inuit also live in Russia and Greenland.

For Inuit communities, ice and snow are intrinsic to physical and
cultural survival, Watt-Cloutier said after the hearing. Even the
building of igloos is under threat.

"You can just imagine the brilliance and the genius and the ingenuity
of building a home out of snow, warm enough to have your baby sleep
in," she said. "And now all of that is starting to leave because snow
conditions are so changed."

Many Inuit live in more conventional buildings, which are constructed
mainly to keep the cold out. Unfortunately, with longer and warmer
summers with 24-hour-a-day sunlight, this has turned many into ovens,
Watt-Cloutier said. For the first time, air conditioners are in use in
the Arctic.

Seasoned Inuit hunters used to be able to tell where the ice was safe,
but because warmer seas have started to melt sea ice from its
underside, even the most experienced hunters find it hard to gauge, and
some fall through, she said.

"The glaciers are melting so quickly that where our hunters used to be
able to cross safely, now it's so unsafe that it's become torrent
rivers ... and we've had a drowning as a result of that as well," she
said.

Watt-Cloutier quoted a hunter in Barrow, Alaska, to sum up the impact
climate change has had on Inuit life: "There's lots of anxieties and
angers that are being felt by some of the hunters that no longer can go
and hunt. We see the change, but we can't stop it, we can't explain why
it's changing. ... Our way of life is changing up here, our ocean is changing."

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From egroups at duendevision.com  Mon Mar  5 12:22:50 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:22:50 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
In-Reply-To: <45E8A44D.7050402@ispwest.com>
References: 99753.73192.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com
	<45E8A44D.7050402@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <9B9299E3-0317-466E-A344-3A3257BB74C9@duendevision.com>

I just saw this post. Amen Bro. Now if there was a list called  
"country business" maybe that could be limited to members of Santa  
Clara commenting/posting but even still open to reading.

Peace
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On Mar 2, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Tian Harter wrote:

> I think it's really wrong to tell the only Green in Ohio to go away,
> just because he doesn't attend the same meetings you do. Such
> xenophobia will only cause trouble. The public is invited to watch.
> We should restrict censoring to the worst of the spammers, which
> this person clearly isn't.
>
> JamBoi wrote:
>
>> Mark, I have to ask where you are writing from.  I'm feeling
>> uncomfortable with someone from outside our County and outside our
>> State giving so much input to the discussion group for the Santa  
>> Clara
>> County, CA. Please respect our autonomy and please don't continue
>> overdo it with what might be considered outsider spam by some.
>> Grassroots Democracy, Decentralization and all that.  Maybe once we
>> find out where you're from we could find or create a more appropriate
>> forum that is inclusive of only those interested in this topic.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Drew Johnson
>> County Council of Santa Clara County
>>
>> --- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Mark Lause wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> One more is all I have time for right now....  Saying that things
>>>>
>>>>
>>> improved
>>>
>>>
>>>> after 2006 doesn't make what I said about the impact of 2004
>>>>
>>>>
>>> outdated.  The
>>>
>>>
>>>> impact of 2004 was what it was regardless of what happened
>>>>
>>>>
>>> afterwards.  And,
>>>
>>>
>>>> if vote totals measured the state of the party rather than voter
>>>>
>>>>
>>> discontent,
>>>
>>>
>>>> we'd have been in great shape in 2001.  But we weren't.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of these state organizations consist of local groups that
>>>>
>>>>
>>> don't
>>>
>>>
>>>> actually meet or do anything.  2004 left my entire state with only
>>>>
>>>>
>>> one or
>>>
>>>
>>>> two local groups functioning.  Despite the fact that this situation
>>>>
>>>>
>>> really
>>>
>>>
>>>> hadn't improved in 2006, we did run some good state campaigns.   
>>>> Yet,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> those
>>>
>>>
>>>> tens of thousands of votes did not leave us an organization with
>>>>
>>>>
>>> appreciably
>>>
>>>
>>>> more people.  It never made us better at involving and integrating
>>>>
>>>>
>>> new
>>>
>>>
>>>> people into the party.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What state is your local state? Here in Santa Clara County there
>>> might only be one or two active Green groups, but in California
>>> there are A LOT more than that.
>>>
>>>
>
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> We had an earthquake during last evening's Green Party meeting.
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Mar  5 16:30:42 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:30:42 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Where Are the Independent Progressive Web
	Sites?
In-Reply-To: <45E5D65F.30506@earthlink.net>
References: <8C9296351153400-1D30-9A6@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com>
	<45E5D65F.30506@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9E4F59E5-EFA4-4700-AFF4-EF5072E0BAEC@cagreens.org>


On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Gerry Gras wrote:

>
> I don't claim to be an expert on which web sites are progressive
> versus pseudo progressive web sites.  But you might check out these:
>
> The Progressive Review
>      http://prorev.com/
>      (the author/editor has been active in the Green Party a LONG  
> time)
>
> Program on Corporations, Law and Democracy
>      http://poclad.org/
>
Any site that tackles democracy and the presence of incorporated  
corporations has to be progressive ala David Korten and Richard  
Grossman!
QUO WARRANTO is the battle cry!!!

>
> I guess this one is not progressive, but I like it:
> Common Dreams
>      http://commondreams.org/
>
I like this one too.
Andrea

> Gerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> alexcathy at aol.com wrote:
>
>>   Dear Friends,
>>
>> It's not enough that I've spent my whole adult life frustrated by the
>> mainstream media, now I've got to spend my life frustrated by the  
>> World
>> Wide Web!
>>
>> Please send me some links for Independent Progressive Web Sites.   
>> 90% of
>> the "progressive" web sites are mere mouthpieces for the Democratic
>> Party Establishment and I'm sick of 'em.
>>
>> I confess, it was kind of fun browsing these sites when they were the
>> cutting edge of Bush criticism back in 2002, 2003, and 2004 when any
>> criticism of Our Dear Leader was considered treason.
>>
>> But now, with Democrats back in control of Congress, NO CRITICISM is
>> tolerated of Our Dear Great Democratic Leaders.  It's like: DEMOCRATS
>> RAISED THE MINIMUM WAGE!  ISN'T THAT GREAT!
>>
>> Please
>>
>> We are almost two years from the November 2008 election and  
>> already most
>> of the stuff posted on these sites is Washington inside baseball and
>> gossip about the horse race and the money race between Hillary,  
>> Barack,
>> Edwards, et. al.  Today, the big "buzz" on the web is the idea of
>> bringing back old Al Gore.  Am I the only African-American in the  
>> United
>> States who is not THAT excited about Sen. Obama?  Don't get me wrong.
>> He's a good guy.  I like him.  But even if he is elected "The First
>> Black President" it ain't gonna be no revolution!   And if he gets  
>> it's
>> gonna get really, really ugly.  I mean, the rightwing Republican hate
>> machine is already smearing BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and this big
>> "controversy" over David Geffen's anti-Clinton remarks is much ado  
>> about
>> nothing, though it does remind us of some things we already knew  
>> about
>> how petty and creepy the Clintons are.
>>
>> California is the biggest state in the union, the world's fifth or  
>> sixth
>> largest economy.  We've got issues on the scale of many independent
>> sovereign nations.  Yet, even the West Coast-based "progressives"  
>> obsess
>> over Washington gossip.  It's ridiculous, but understandable if  
>> you're a
>> hyper-partisan Democrat since the Democratic Party in this big "blue"
>> state is totally dysfunctional.
>>
>> Have you noticed all of a sudden it's real trendy to use the word
>> "Green."  It's "Green this" and "Green that" but the GREEN PARTY is
>> still verboten.
>>
>> If nothing else, this latest wave of Ralph Nader bashing and how the
>> Greens are the ones "to blame" for Bush just shows how simple-minded
>> they are.  This has gone on for six years and, to my knowledge, there
>> has been no effort to purge the many "moderate" Democrats who  
>> actually
>> voted for Bush.
>>
>> Where Are the Independent Progressive Web Sites?
>>
>>
>> Alex Walker
>>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Mar  5 16:44:30 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:44:30 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Where Are the Independent Progressive Web
	Sites?
In-Reply-To: <453049.75593.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <453049.75593.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <36D43E80-B200-467E-B89A-642968FAF197@cagreens.org>

It is absolutely amazing to see how trendy now are such subjects as  
global warming and universal health insurance!
Apparently the dumbing down has not been sufficient to prevent the  
penetration of our group consciousness that something needs to be  
done about these.
Now if we can just get it clear that universal health insurance is  
NOT universal health care because it is missing the CARE!    :- )
Andrea
Tian, could we make a button for this?
Maybe:
Universal Health Insurance
is missing the CARE!

On Feb 28, 2007, at 11:04 PM, JamBoi wrote:

> I totally agree with Tian.  Its my goal that Santa Clara County become
> the state's (and perhaps the country's) first Green county.  We CAN do
> it.  We are doing it.  Join in with us.  Or watch it happen, but  
> either
> way that's where we're going.
>
> And I agree with Tian that even if its hip and chic for people to be
> small 'g' green these days, I count every step in the positive
> direction as a step in the positive direction, period.  I don't give a
> care whether we initiated it or not.  Fact is we will get LOTS of
> credit for all of the hard spade work we've been doing all these years
> because we were the visionary ones who were Green when it wasn't
> popular to be Green.
>
> I'm a loud and proud Green!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Tian Harter <tnharter at ispwest.com> wrote:
>
>> alexcathy at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> California is the biggest state in the union, the world's fifth or
>>> sixth largest economy.  We've got issues on the scale of many
>>> independent sovereign nations.  Yet, even the West Coast-based
>>> "progressives" obsess over Washington gossip.  It's ridiculous, but
>>
>>> understandable if you're a hyper-partisan Democrat since the
>>> Democratic Party in this big "blue" state is totally dysfunctional.
>>
>>
>> I've noticed that California has blue counties and red counties. I'd
>> like Santa Clara County to be the State's first Green County.
>>
>>>
>>> Have you noticed all of a sudden it's real trendy to use the word
>>> "Green."  It's "Green this" and "Green that" but the GREEN PARTY is
>>
>>> still verboten.
>>>
>> I've noticed there is A LOT more organic food at Safeway then there
>> used
>> to be...
>>
>> -- 
>> Tian
>> http://tian.greens.org
>> Latest change: Added, low on the page, a picture of a Montana
>> quarter.
>>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Mar  5 16:54:54 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:54:54 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott
In-Reply-To: <45E8A768.8030904@ispwest.com>
References: <45E8A768.8030904@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <40BEFA01-3027-4576-9E76-28EEA3D9F914@cagreens.org>

Tian,
YES, YES, YES!!!!

I suggest adding a list of mom & pop stores in each local area that  
are green and good to shop.
I have been surprised to note that several of the area Asian markets  
that I have shopped at have used very local bakeries and other food  
suppliers for their shelves at good savings and quality for their  
customers.  However, I'm not sure if these are independent or are  
chain stores, for instance, the Ocean Market in Milpitas.
Andrea

On Mar 2, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Tian Harter wrote:

> Last evening at the meeting I suggested we endorse the boycott of  
> large
> corporations
> between April 15th and April 22nd of this year. I was told to post the
> request to this
> list and we could go from there. Here it is:
>
> I propose that we endorse the boycott of corporate shopping from  
> tax day
> to earth
> day this year, put an announcement ot that effect on our website, and
> try to stay
> out of any store with a nationally recognised brand during that period
> ourselves.
>
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> We had an earthquake during last evening's Green Party meeting.
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Mar  5 17:05:17 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:05:17 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Proposal to endorse that boycott
In-Reply-To: <45E9B6F5.402@charter.net>
References: <45E9B6F5.402@charter.net>
Message-ID: <5DCB3D97-259F-428E-95C1-6A1F202F8AA0@cagreens.org>

Wes,
You are so right on this that it's eerie.  Korton and Grossman would  
agree with your words, and so would Nader!
You may not agree with one or all of them, but they would agree with  
you right here.
We need to unhorse this concept that corporations are persons.
And that did, indeed, occur here in "River City," Santa Clara County,  
as a result of a transportation lawsuit, as I understand and recall it.
Thanks for illustrating it so well!
Andrea

On Mar 3, 2007, at 9:57 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:

> JamBoi wrote:
>> Yes, and the other part that needs to be mentioned is that the  
>> purpose
>> of the Boycott is to support impeachment!!!
> I support the idea of a boycott. I also think that the association  
> with
> the issue of impeachment is a stretch for most. But, there is a much
> more insidious intrusion of corporations into our lives that needs  
> to be
> called out and stopped. There is trouble right here in River City,  
> oops,
> I meant Santa Clara County.
>
> I would suggest that we are selling our future for a pittance just
> because we fail to take acknowledge what we owe our neighbors, our
> children and grand children, our selves. So, we have HP Pavilion,  
> Oracle
> Arena & McAfee Coliseum. We allow Pepsi and Coca Cola exclusive rights
> to sell food in our schools just to raise a bit more money instead of
> our taxes. We have the Federal government seeking to sell naming  
> rights
> to our national parks. Some have even branded their towns, as in Dish,
> Texas.
>
> According to Friday's Morgan Hill Times,
>
>> The Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors is endorsing a plan
>> <http://www.sccgov.org/SCC/docs/SCC%20Public%20Portal/keyboard% 
>> 20agenda/Committee%20Agenda/2007/February%201,%202007/ 
>> TMPKeyboard201806071.pdf>
>> to raise money from the private sector by selling opportunities for
>> advertising and marketing.
>>
>> The county is considering several ways to generate additional revenue
>> that include: beverage and snack vending contracts, offering a  
>> variety
>> of advertising opportunities including Web site advertising, selling
>> special event sponsorship packages, selling naming rights and
>> community giving campaigns.
>>
>> The county's consultant, Active Public Enterprise Group
>> <http://www.theactivenetwork.com/>, (1.)outlined the possibilities in
>> presentation Tuesday to the board of supervisors, showing the program
>> could up to $5 million annually by its third year of operation.
>>
>> The board endorsed much of the proposal, but raised concerns about
>> billboards and vehicle advertising being too excessive. The board
>> directed staff to make a few modifications to the proposal and return
>> in April with plans for implementation.
> (1)The Active Public Enterprise Group is a division of The Active
> Network linked above.
>
> There is a desire to have services without paying for it. We want a  
> full
> range of healthy, active, community oriented government services. We
> want to cut our taxes and keep it all for ourselves.
>
> Just how much of ourselves are we willing to sell to have it all?
>
> Think globally, act locally, we are told. The more of our lives that
> gets a Corporate Sponsor, the more of our soul that they sell.
>
> Antonius Bloch
>
> -- 
>
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough;
> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
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From alexcathy at aol.com  Mon Mar  5 19:31:00 2007
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:31:00 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Crazy Los Angeles School Board Election
Message-ID: <8C92DB6FE9F100A-948-118B@WEBMAIL-RE06.sysops.aol.com>

 Dear Green Friends,    Tomorrow there is going to be a $3 million election for the Los Angeles School Board and this crazy campaign is another example of why the combination of relentless right-wing Republicans and clueless Democrats leads to perdition.   Here I go again.    I posted a commentary on California Greening    Want ?Reform? in Los Angeles? ? Go Green  http://cagreening.blogspot.com/      I also posted a more ?Democrat-friendly? Diary on the Daily Kos   L.A. Schools Election ? Tales of Clueless Dems http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/5/212910/4472 
  
 Alex Walker 
  
 
  P.S. to sosfbay-discuss: 
  
 Surfing the Web I saw a report about campaign expenditures posted on the web site for the Milpitas Post in Santa Clara County:
  
     "Mayoral candidate Henry Manayan raised nearly $17,300 more than Mayor Jose Esteves for Milpitas' top city position for the Nov. 7 California General Election, state-mandated campaign finance statements filed Jan. 31 indicate.  In his failed bid for mayor, Manayan's campaign raised a total of $88,903.32, loaning $40,000 of that amount to his own campaign. Manayan spent the entire amount.  Mayor Esteves raised a total of $71,607 largely from private donors and developers, and spent $73,098.10, reports indicate. At the outcome of the race, Esteves garnered 5,746 votes to 4,310 votes earned by Manayan. Milpitans cast 17,825 votes during the latest election." 
   That computes to $20 per vote for Manayan's losing campaign! Mayor Esteves' donors included: Badru Valani, a real estate developer from Apton Properties of Fremont; Pleasanton-based architecture and planning firm Dahlin Group; and DK Consulting of Walnut Creek, a building systems and engineering firm.  Since some of us are so concerned about upholding the key values of decentralization and grass-roots democracy, it would be nice if somebody quit obsessing about Washington and Baghdad long enough to write letters-to-the-editor about the corruption of democracy in California. 
  
  
  
  
 
  
  
   
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 02:00:23 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 02:00:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Vi$ta = More Micro$oft's Bull$hit;
	a human rights issue; BadVista;
	Forced software upgrades can add up for Vista users
Message-ID: <435111.59911.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>

Check out http://badvista.fsf.org/

BadVista.org: Stopping Vista adoption by promoting free software
by John Sullivan ? last modified 2007-02-08 17:41
The BadVista campaign is an advocate for the freedom of computer users,
opposing adoption of Microsoft Windows Vista and promoting free (as in
freedom) software alternatives.

With your help, we will:
Organize supporters into effective actions protesting Microsoft's
daylight theft of our freedoms
Aggregate news stories cutting through MS Windows Vista marketing
propaganda
Provide a user-friendly gateway to free software adoption
MORE AT  http://badvista.fsf.org/
______________________________

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9012140
Forced software upgrades can add up for Vista users
A lot of legacy programs may not get free compatibility
Eric Lai  

SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 is the compelling alternative to
Windows Vista
Migrating to Windows Vista: Recognize the Security Risks

March 04, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Windows users contemplating the cost
of upgrading to Vista may need a fatter wallet than they thought.

Besides shelling out for faster hardware, users should expect to pay
for Vista upgrades for many of their favorite Windows software.

Rather than releasing free patches to update existing versions, leading
vendors such as Adobe Systems Inc., Symantec Corp. and Intuit Inc. are
choosing to add Vista compatibility only to new releases or
still-in-development future products. Most of these new versions will
add significant features along with Vista compatibility. And, vendors
will argue, if Vista compatibility is a new feature, what's unfair
about packaging a new feature only in new versions of their software,
rather than going back and patching aging versions nearing the end of
their product life cycle?

Still, many customers who are happy with their existing software may
look askance at what they consider less-than-subtle attempts to coerce
them to upgrade. And that, according to analysts, could rebound on
Microsoft as well as Windows software vendors by prompting users to
hold off Vista upgrades or consider switching to another operating
system altogether.

Technical shift from XP to Vista seen as 'incremental'

How software vendors handle transitions for operating systems has long
been a delicate, high-stakes issue. Move to a new platform too slowly,
and you risk ending up like Lotus Software's 1-2-3, the dominant
spreadsheet on DOS in the late 1980s that lost its lead to Microsoft
Excel in part because it was belatedly ported to Windows.

But abandon an older platform too quickly, and you risk alienating
loyal, long-term users.

Microsoft claims that there are already "thousands of applications"
compatible with Vista, according to a spokeswoman. She acknowledged,
however, that few have been formally tested.

Some outside experts agree, pointing out that in the grand scheme of
Windows' evolution, the shift from XP to Vista is relatively minor.
"Going from Windows 95 and 98 to Windows 2000 and XP was a
revolutionary shift. The move from XP and Vista is more incremental,"
said Scott Matsumoto, a principal consultant at software consulting
firm Cigital Inc. In general, porting software from XP to Vista will
require developers to "make lots of little changes," rather than
massive rewrites, he said.

That's unlikely to be the view shared by vendors actually bearing the
cost of developing, testing and supporting their software on different
platforms.

Most affected: security and multimedia software

MORE AT:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9012140


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 07:51:19 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:51:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GPUS National Annual Meeting in Reading PA July
	12-15 2007
Message-ID: <119922.38848.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>

Who all's going to go with me to the National Annual Meeting??? Its a
really, really great experience!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


Press Release

Press Conference Announcing Reading, PA as Host for 2007 GNC Annual
Meeting

Green Party of the United States
www.gp.org

Tuesday, February 6, 2007

EVENT: Press Conference announcing the confirmation of Reading,
Pennsylvania, as the host city for the next Annual National Meeting of
the Green Party of the United States, to be held in the Abraham
Lincoln, a Wyndham Historic Hotel, July 12-15, 2007 

TIME/DATE: 3 pm, Wednesday, February 7 

PLACE: Wyndham Abraham Lincoln Mezzanine, 100 N. 5th Street, Reading,
Pa.

PARTICIPANTS: Liz Arnone, Co-Chair, Green Party of the United States;
Dave Baker, Pennsylvania State Green Party Steering Committee; Jennaro
Pullano, Candidate for Mayor; Dave Kurzweg, Berks County Green Party
Co-Chair; Robert Lepore, General Manager of the Abraham Lincoln 

CONTACT: Dave Baker, 2007 Green Party Annual National Meeting
Coordinator: 1-800-647-4685, daveb at gpanc.org 

SUMMARY: The National Committee of the Green Party has voted to hold
the party's 2007 Annual National Meeting in Reading, Pennsylvania. 
Delegates from state Green Parties chose Reading over Olympia,
Washington, after Greens from both locations submitted proposals.
Greens meeting in Reading July 12-15, 2007, will make decisions about
the party's upcoming political activities, including plans for Green
participation in the 2008 presidential election. 

MORE INFORMATION 

Green Party of Pennsylvania
http://www.greenpartypa.org 

Green Party of the United States
http://www.gp.org  



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From larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  6 10:54:11 2007
From: larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:54:11 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Vi$ta = More Micro$oft's Bull$hit;
 a human rights issue; BadVista;
 Forced software upgrades can add up for Vista users
In-Reply-To: <435111.59911.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <435111.59911.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45EDB8D3.5040603@earthlink.net>

Drew --

Thanks for posting the link to Bad Vista -- anyone who has an interest 
in Free/Libre and Open Source Software (FOSS, or FLOSS, take your pick) 
should be all over the Free Software Foundation's campaigns, which 
include Bad Vista and DefectiveByDesign.org, which is fighting Digital 
Rights Management (or Digital Restrictions Management, since its purpose 
is to restrict you, the user, from access to movies, music, literature 
and software).

Since the Silicon Valley arguably is the capital of the worldwide 
computer industry, I hope the Santa Clara Greens, as well as the GPCA, 
take a strong position on the use of FOSS/FLOSS. In fact, the GPCA 
platform plank needs to be updated and strengthened on this issue. 
Anyone with any ideas on how to bring the platform plank up to date can 
e-mail me off-list at larry.cafiero at gmail.com

Larry Cafiero
Liaison to the Secretary of State
Green Party of California
=and=
Associate Member No. 5030
Free Software Foundation
=and=
Editor/Publisher
Open Source Reporter
http://www.opensourcereporter.net
=and=
"Larry the Open Source Guy"
http://larrytheopensourceguy.blogspot.com

JamBoi wrote:
> Check out http://badvista.fsf.org/
>
> BadVista.org: Stopping Vista adoption by promoting free software
> by John Sullivan ? last modified 2007-02-08 17:41
> The BadVista campaign is an advocate for the freedom of computer users,
> opposing adoption of Microsoft Windows Vista and promoting free (as in
> freedom) software alternatives.
>
> With your help, we will:
> Organize supporters into effective actions protesting Microsoft's
> daylight theft of our freedoms
> Aggregate news stories cutting through MS Windows Vista marketing
> propaganda
> Provide a user-friendly gateway to free software adoption
> MORE AT  http://badvista.fsf.org/
> ______________________________
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9012140
> Forced software upgrades can add up for Vista users
> A lot of legacy programs may not get free compatibility
> Eric Lai  
>
> SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 is the compelling alternative to
> Windows Vista
> Migrating to Windows Vista: Recognize the Security Risks
>
> March 04, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Windows users contemplating the cost
> of upgrading to Vista may need a fatter wallet than they thought.
>
> Besides shelling out for faster hardware, users should expect to pay
> for Vista upgrades for many of their favorite Windows software.
>
> Rather than releasing free patches to update existing versions, leading
> vendors such as Adobe Systems Inc., Symantec Corp. and Intuit Inc. are
> choosing to add Vista compatibility only to new releases or
> still-in-development future products. Most of these new versions will
> add significant features along with Vista compatibility. And, vendors
> will argue, if Vista compatibility is a new feature, what's unfair
> about packaging a new feature only in new versions of their software,
> rather than going back and patching aging versions nearing the end of
> their product life cycle?
>
> Still, many customers who are happy with their existing software may
> look askance at what they consider less-than-subtle attempts to coerce
> them to upgrade. And that, according to analysts, could rebound on
> Microsoft as well as Windows software vendors by prompting users to
> hold off Vista upgrades or consider switching to another operating
> system altogether.
>
> Technical shift from XP to Vista seen as 'incremental'
>
> How software vendors handle transitions for operating systems has long
> been a delicate, high-stakes issue. Move to a new platform too slowly,
> and you risk ending up like Lotus Software's 1-2-3, the dominant
> spreadsheet on DOS in the late 1980s that lost its lead to Microsoft
> Excel in part because it was belatedly ported to Windows.
>
> But abandon an older platform too quickly, and you risk alienating
> loyal, long-term users.
>
> Microsoft claims that there are already "thousands of applications"
> compatible with Vista, according to a spokeswoman. She acknowledged,
> however, that few have been formally tested.
>
> Some outside experts agree, pointing out that in the grand scheme of
> Windows' evolution, the shift from XP to Vista is relatively minor.
> "Going from Windows 95 and 98 to Windows 2000 and XP was a
> revolutionary shift. The move from XP and Vista is more incremental,"
> said Scott Matsumoto, a principal consultant at software consulting
> firm Cigital Inc. In general, porting software from XP to Vista will
> require developers to "make lots of little changes," rather than
> massive rewrites, he said.
>
> That's unlikely to be the view shared by vendors actually bearing the
> cost of developing, testing and supporting their software on different
> platforms.
>
> Most affected: security and multimedia software
>
> MORE AT:
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9012140
>
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>  
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From palmheaven at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 13:03:09 2007
From: palmheaven at gmail.com (Palm Haven Handyman)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:03:09 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Vi$ta = More Micro$oft's Bull$hit;
	a human rights issue; BadVista;
	Forced software upgrades can add up for Vista users
In-Reply-To: <45EDB8D3.5040603@earthlink.net>
References: <435111.59911.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<45EDB8D3.5040603@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e30eed7e0703061303q73f21d44p9856bb2e4383137e@mail.gmail.com>

I agree, great idea.  The Green Party has an opportunity to be a leader in
the flight away from gigantic corporate dominated software.  (I did not
express that well, but I hope you know what I mean.)

Free, transparent, community-supported software should be embraced by the
Green Party.  We should be at the head of the fight for net neutrality.  I
think this could have a tremendous payback for us down the road...

Does everyone out there know that they can stop using Microsoft products,
and get FREE, world-class software?  I have been using Ubuntu for some time
and I love it.  It does everything I need, beautifully, loaded up perfectly
the first time I tried it, it captured my broadband connection
automatically, has the complete suite of OpenOffice software, etc. etc.  AND
FREE!  Did I mention it is virus free, malware free, too?
http://www.ubuntu.com/
Get your free copies of this great operating system at:
https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

Some links:
the Free Software Foundation
http://www.fsf.org/

The GNU project
http://www.gnu.org/


Roy III
-- 
Greenbuilder
CA General Contractor B #756438
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Tue Mar  6 13:45:25 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:45:25 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Vi$ta = More Micro$oft's Bull$hit;
 a human rights issue; BadVista;
 Forced software upgrades can add up  for Vista users
In-Reply-To: <45EDB8D3.5040603@earthlink.net>
	e30eed7e0703061303q73f21d44p9856bb2e4383137e@mail.gmail.com
References: <435111.59911.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com><45EDB8D3.5040603@earthlink.net>
	e30eed7e0703061303q73f21d44p9856bb2e4383137e@mail.gmail.com
Message-ID: <45EDE0F5.2070905@ispwest.com>

Palm Haven Handyman wrote:

> I agree, great idea.  The Green Party has an opportunity to be a 
> leader in the flight away from gigantic corporate dominated software.  
> (I did not express that well, but I hope you know what I mean.)

The cinematic version of that is the film festival going on in San Jose 
RIGHT NOW!
See one of the movies available on this list a click or two off this page:

http://www.cinequest.org

And you will get the relationship between "change" (the stuff in your 
pocket)
and "change" (seeing a different kind of show). I'm planning to see Out 
of Ballance
tomorow @2:30 PM. Supposedly that goes further than "An Inconvienient Truth"
in the same direction.

>  
> Free, transparent, community-supported software should be embraced by 
> the Green Party.  We should be at the head of the fight for net 
> neutrality.  I think this could have a tremendous payback for us down 
> the road...

I'm currently typing away on a PC too old to run current Windoze that's 
a linux box...

>
> Does everyone out there know that they can stop using Microsoft 
> products, and get FREE, world-class software?  I have been using 
> Ubuntu for some time and I love it.  It does everything I need, 
> beautifully, loaded up perfectly the first time I tried it, it 
> captured my broadband connection automatically, has the complete suite 
> of OpenOffice software, etc. etc.  AND FREE!  Did I mention it is 
> virus free, malware free, too?
> http://www.ubuntu.com/
> Get your free copies of this great operating system at:
> https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
>
> Some links:
> the Free Software Foundation
> http://www.fsf.org/
>
> The GNU project
> http://www.gnu.org/
>
>
Cameron can set you up for surprisingly little money if you just want it 
all done for you...

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I saw OUTSOURCED, a very funny movie about outsourcing to India
at the San Jose Film Festival Sunday evening. Please see it if you 
get a chance. You will enjoy the experience. The next showing is on
Thursday March 8th at 7 PM in the Camera 12 in downtown San Jose.



From larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  6 14:00:46 2007
From: larrycafiero_liaison at earthlink.net (Larry Cafiero)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:00:46 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Vi$ta = More Micro$oft's Bull$hit;
 a human rights issue; BadVista;
 Forced software upgrades can add up for Vista users
In-Reply-To: <e30eed7e0703061303q73f21d44p9856bb2e4383137e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <435111.59911.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>	
	<45EDB8D3.5040603@earthlink.net>
	<e30eed7e0703061303q73f21d44p9856bb2e4383137e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45EDE48E.7000007@earthlink.net>

Palm Haven Handyman wrote:
> Does everyone out there know that they can stop using Microsoft 
> products, and get FREE, world-class software? 
This is probably Cameron's cue, but I'll jump in anyway.

First, I want to thank Cameron Spitzer for enlightening me to the Free 
Software/Open Source Software movement during my campaign for Insurance 
Commissioner last year. My campaign published all its materials and 
built the Web site using Free/Open Software, and there's no reason why 
the state party can't do the same.

It can be done, and without a lot of pain and heartache. The learning 
curve may vary from person to person, but I don't think any of the 
software available is unmanageable. Hate Word? Use OpenOffice. Don't 
like Photoshop? Use GIMP. Want to make up a Web page? Use SeaMonkey. 
Want to publish something in print and don't want to use 
Pagemaker/Quark? Use Scribus.
> I have been using Ubuntu for some time and I love it.
Glad to hear it. Without getting into a "mine-is-better-than-yours" 
argument (and sounding like the state CC), GNU/Linux users all have 
their favorite distributions, or "distros," and there's about 300 of 
them out there. I have mine, it's not Ubuntu (although it's certainly a 
good one), and .

After attending a speech by Richard Stallman (FSF founder) in Berkeley 
two Fridays ago, he mentioned three GNU/Linux distros that are 
completely free (as in, free of having any proprietary software 
included) -- one was gNewSense, the second was BLAG and . . . I can't 
remember the third (do you remember, Cameron?).

If anyone needs clarification on why this isn't "just" a computer geek 
issue, you should visit one (or both) of the sites Roy included below.

Larry Cafiero
>
> Some links:
> the Free Software Foundation
> http://www.fsf.org/
>
> The GNU project
> http://www.gnu.org/
>


From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 14:30:36 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:30:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reiterating the SV Impeach E-mail List invitation
Message-ID: <222409.16162.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>

SV Impeach invitation
From:	"Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>  
Date:	 Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:17:43 -0800
 Hi (patriot interested in local Impeachment events) ,

Thanks for coming to our talk with Peter Phillips last week,
and giving your email address on the sign up sheet.

I'm starting a mailing list for Silicon Valley Impeachment coalition. 
This will be a low volume, moderated announcement list for events and
actions directly related to the coalition.  If it turns out we need a
discuss list, it will be a second list.

I never put people on mailing lists without confirming their consent in
advance.  So this is your invitation to go to

  http://www.sanjosepeace.org/mailman/listinfo/svic-annc 

and sign yourself up! 

Cameron

___________________

JamBoi
Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
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Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 14:34:33 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:34:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Obama - Nader
In-Reply-To: <E1HOd6I-00012K-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <426602.53252.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com>

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful!  Check out Cameron's awesome points
everybody!  Notice how few even try to respond.

Grow the Green Party!

Drew

--- "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us> wrote:

> 
> http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/2/26/165244/737/76#c76
> http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/2/26/165244/737/85#c85
> http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/2/26/165244/737/88#c88
> http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/2/26/165244/737/78#c78
> http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/2/26/165244/737/89#c89
> 
> http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/3/3/6590/25479/167#c167
> http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/3/3/6590/25479/170#c170
> http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/3/3/6590/25479/173#c173
> 
> 
> Links to my blogs at
> http://www.greens.org/cls
> 
> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 00:36:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Obama - Nader
> To: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>
> In-Reply-To: <E1HONgb-0006RL-00 at truffula>
> X-SpamBouncer: 1.9 (8/20/04)
> X-SBRule: From domain matches first external Received domain
> X-SBRule: Free Email site
> X-SBScore: 2 (Spam Threshold: 10) (Block Threshold: 5)
> X-SBClass: OK
> 
> URLs please Cameron!!!
> 
> Grow Green!
> 
> Drew
>   
> --- "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us> wrote:
> 
> > The "Kossacks" are dumber than a box of rocks.  They don't
> > even realize I'm calling them morons.
> > 
> > Cameron
> 
> 


___________________

JamBoi
Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
The fish are biting. 
Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Tue Mar  6 15:45:36 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:45:36 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Vi$ta = More Micro$oft's Bull...
Message-ID: <E1HOjLc-00035w-00@truffula>


I've given away a lot of Knoppix disks at Green Party meetings.
They're in our tabling kit, but I don't think anybody but me
pushes them.  Knoppix and Ubuntu are both based on the most
comprehensive integrated software collection I know about,
Debian GNU/Linux.  Knoppix and Ubuntu come in "Live" versions,
that you can use for a while before installing.  Ubuntu has
the most "buzz" these days for some reason.  It's definitely
hit critical mass, and will not go away even if the
company (Canonical Ltd of Isle of Man) folds up tomorrow.

I believe this is the system Pike and Kernighan had in mind
when they invented unix about forty years ago.  It was designed
for "viral" distribution.  People give it to their friends and
show them how to use it.  Computing isn't consumption, it's
learning and sharing.

Most people take the disk to be polite, but never get
as far as sliding the flyer out of the sleeve, unfolding
it, and reading it.  Without a friend to show them, they
never make it to the second step, sticking the CD in the slot
and rebooting their computers.  It goes in a drawer with the
other literature they brought home that day.

It reminds me of "cage free" chickens.  They hatch in little
cages.  There's a doorway that opens into a little exercise yard,
but they're scared to walk through it.  So they spend their
lives in the cages anyway.  They can't imagine freedom.

The arrogance of MSFT Vista creates an opportunity.  People
are being told they have to "upgrade," and they're willing
to consider escaping instead.


Cameron




From tnharter at ispwest.com  Tue Mar  6 17:08:58 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:08:58 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Vi$ta = More Micro$oft's Bull$hit;
 a human rights issue; BadVista;
 Forced software upgrades can add up for  Vista users
References: 435111.59911.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com
Message-ID: <45EE10AA.30300@ispwest.com>

JamBoi wrote:

>Check out http://badvista.fsf.org/
>
>BadVista.org: Stopping Vista adoption by promoting free software
>by John Sullivan ? last modified 2007-02-08 17:41
>The BadVista campaign is an advocate for the freedom of computer users,
>opposing adoption of Microsoft Windows Vista and promoting free (as in
>freedom) software alternatives.
>  
>
For some reason that all reminds me of the time back in the '80s
when Apple gave me a T shirt that said "LET'S FUD SAA". I didn't
get it until a coworker explained to me that FUD was a strategy
acronym that stood for "Fear Uncertainty & Doubt", and that SAA
was some IBM based TLA for "System (IforgetThisWord) Archatecture".
Then I realized it boiled down to "dis the competition." At least the art
on the shirt was good. Nicely printed to. Apple always made nice shirts.

I dislike negative politics. Because of that, I'm going to ignore this
campaign. I'm just going to use my linux box, and anybody that
scrolls to the bottom of my website is free to see the "made with Mozilla"
logo that I made myself and put there. I could easily put a "GIMP" logo
next to it, but I'm not sure what the logo for GIMP is. At this point I've
processed many photos in GIMP and I enjoy using it quite a bit.
I've also added many pages with Mozilla, and also think it's okay.

Seems to me that putting that kind of logo on sites made with this
software is just giving credit where credit is due.

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I saw OUTSOURCED, a very funny movie about outsourcing to India
at the San Jose Film Festival Sunday evening. Please see it if you 
get a chance. You will enjoy the experience. The next showing is on
Thursday March 8th at 7 PM in the Camera 12 in downtown San Jose.



From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar  6 17:10:27 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:10:27 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] McCloskey compares US Attorney Firings to
	Watergate
Message-ID: <45EE1103.1040006@charter.net>

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/03/06/EDGRJN7AHK1.DTL 


*Open Forum
When politics infects justice
*Pete McCloskey
Tuesday, March 6, 2007

It seems ironic that U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., who was listed on 
Nixon's Enemies List, will be the one wielding the gavel in another 
search for the truth at a time when so many of us have begun to wonder 
whether our government is capable of providing us with the truth.

One of the tragic moments in American history occurred in November 1973. 
This was the famous "Saturday Night Massacre," when President Richard 
Nixon, faced with the demand for incriminating tapes and documents by 
Watergate Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox, took an action that would 
lead to his resignation from the presidency in disgrace less than a year 
later. Nixon ordered U.S. Attorney General Elliott Richardson to fire 
Cox. When Richardson refused and instead resigned, as did his second in 
command, William Ruckelshaus, U.S. Solicitor General Robert Bork stepped 
up to fire Cox.

That action triggered a tough inquiry into the Watergate scandal by the 
House Judiciary Committee, chaired by U.S. Rep. Peter Rodino, a 
mild-mannered congressman from New Jersey. In July 1974, after seven 
months of public hearings, the committee in a bipartisan vote adopted 
several articles of impeachment, the chief of which was for obstruction 
of justice. Nixon had ordered the FBI to cease its inquiry into the 
money trail the CIA had discovered, leading from the president's 
personal lawyer, Herb Kalmbach, through various hands to pay off the 
Watergate burglary's mastermind, E. Howard Hunt. Hunt had threatened to 
reveal the details of the burglary to U.S. District Court Judge John 
Sirica, who presided over the Watergate case, unless he was paid.

One of the younger members of the Judiciary Committee at the time was 
Conyers, a man Nixon had put on his notorious "Enemies List" for 
whatever punishment federal agencies such as the IRS might devise.

As a result of the Judiciary Committee's inquiries and the work of 
several dedicated U.S. attorneys, not only was Nixon forced from office, 
but his attorney general, John Mitchell, was indicted and sent to jail 
for his part in the Watergate coverup.

Now, 32 years later, another Republican attorney general, Alberto 
Gonzales, faces questioning by both the Senate and House Judiciary 
committees, on grounds that he has used his high office for political 
purposes to remove eight U.S. attorneys, several of whom had been 
involved in investigations of Republican congressmen, such as Randy 
"Duke" Cunningham of San Diego, Robert Ney of Ohio and John Doolittle of 
Rocklin (Placer County).

And who chairs the Judiciary Committee today? None other than Nixon's 
old enemy, John Conyers.

Among the reasons many Americans have lost faith in their government, 
the perceived use of the U.S. attorney general's office for political 
purposes looms large. In the past, independent prosecutors, such as San 
Francisco's John Keker, who prosecuted Lt. Col. Oliver North in the 
Iran-Contra scandal, and former Chicago U.S. Attorney Patrick 
Fitzgerald, who is the chief prosecutor in the Lewis "Scooter" Libby 
trial, have preserved respect for the judicial process despite the 
machinations of political appointees in Washington. Under the Bush 
administration, however, the White House has been able to convince its 
attorney general to provide questionable legal opinions on the use of 
torture, warrantless wire-tapping and other practices that cause 
ordinary citizens to wonder whether government lawyers, like 
politicians, can be prevailed upon to change their views for political 
gain.

The investigations now being conducted by both the House and Senate 
Judiciary committees can go a long way toward restoring the faith of the 
people that our nation's courts, laws and prosecutors remain untainted 
by political influence. Having served with Conyers for some 15 years, I 
would not want to be in the shoes of Attorney General Gonzales when he 
is asked to stand and swear to tell the truth about the recent wave of 
firings of U.S. attorneys, at least eight of whom were presiding over 
public corruption investigations.

The truth will out and justice will be served.

/Pete McCloskey, who farms in Rumsey (Yolo County), represented the San 
Francisco Peninsula in Congress between 1967 and 1982. A Republican and 
former deputy district attorney, he made the first speech on the floor 
of the House on June 6, 1973, calling for impeachment of President 
Richard Nixon for obstruction of justice./

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From andid at cagreens.org  Tue Mar  6 18:00:02 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:00:02 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
References: <984c16870703061311h66e14ed8x5108ada70f98b415@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3C58D09-9BF3-4A04-9108-4498DD2FF599@cagreens.org>

We're fools if we don't support this.

If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are divided so  
badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do anything  
important or at the national level because we can't do teamwork.

This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided we  
fall"?  An old truth.
Andrea

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>
> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org>
> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>, "Cameron Spitzer"  
> <cls at greens.org>
> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
>
> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March 16 at  
> Camera 12 Cinemas, located at 201 South Second Street. Show times  
> and advanced tickets are available online or by phone at 408-998-3300.
>
> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
> San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to San  
> Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose, right next  
> to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
>
> One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of third parties  
> is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have a young computer  
> guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis I've ever heard  
> of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.  I'm sure there are  
> other voices out there who would concur with such an analysis for  
> that election and others.  Maybe you folks could get together and  
> design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk the idea (over and over  
> again) better than Nader!  It would free the Green Party (and Nader  
> himself)  from lingering animosity.
>
> Andrea Dorey
> (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
>
> On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
>>
>> You are invited to the California showings of the new Ralph Nader  
>> documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader during the  
>> California tour for his new book The Seventeen Traditions. See  
>> schedule below.
>>
>> An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more than forty  
>> on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of one of the  
>> most unique, important, and controversial political figures of the  
>> past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has garnered wide  
>> critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's harshest critics  
>> and most eloquent supporters to create a compelling and  
>> inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our times.  
>> Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are  
>> available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com. See below for  
>> how to help promote the film.
>>
>> The Seventeen Traditions is an unexpected and extraordinary book  
>> by Ralph Nader that looks back to the earliest days of his life,  
>> to his serene and enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted,  
>> Connecticut. From listening to learning, from patriotism to  
>> argument, Nader revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from  
>> his parents, his siblings, and the people in his community, and  
>> draws from them inspiring lessons for today's society.
>>
>> An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday, February  
>> 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272 Santa Monica  
>> Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be three showings  
>> daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm weekend matinee. On  
>> Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A following the 4:30  
>> and 7:15 showings, and introduce the 9:55 show on Friday only.  
>> Tickets are available at the Landmark Nuart, or by phone at  
>> 310-281-8223.
>>
>> After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following premiere  
>> dates:
>>
>> Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado.
>> San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere Theater.
>> Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck.
>> Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater.
>>
>> The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the following  
>> stops:
>> Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood Bookstore in Los  
>> Angeles.
>> Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble in Encino.
>> Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club in San Francisco.
>> Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University in San Rafael.
>> Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc. at 601 Van Ness Ave. in  
>> San Francisco.
>>
>> How to help:
>> Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need many  
>> committed volunteers to make it successful by:
>>
>> * Phone banking potential movie-goers
>>
>> * Selling tickets to your friends
>>
>> * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
>>
>>
>> Can you help us out?
>>
>> Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com .
>>
>>
>>
>> PLEASE Forward Widely
>>
>
>

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 23:53:00 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:53:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <A3C58D09-9BF3-4A04-9108-4498DD2FF599@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <763167.5655.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

Absolutely!  Let's schedule an 'event'!  When???

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> We're fools if we don't support this.
> 
> If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are divided so  
> badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do anything  
> important or at the national level because we can't do teamwork.
> 
> This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided we  
> fall"?  An old truth.
> Andrea
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>
> > Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
> > To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org>
> > Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>, "Cameron Spitzer"
>  
> > <cls at greens.org>
> > Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
> >
> > Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March 16 at 
> 
> > Camera 12 Cinemas, located at 201 South Second Street. Show times  
> > and advanced tickets are available online or by phone at
> 408-998-3300.
> >
> > On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
> > San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to San  
> > Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose, right next  
> > to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
> >
> > One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of third parties
>  
> > is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have a young computer 
> 
> > guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis I've ever heard  
> > of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.  I'm sure there are  
> > other voices out there who would concur with such an analysis for  
> > that election and others.  Maybe you folks could get together and  
> > design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk the idea (over and over 
> 
> > again) better than Nader!  It would free the Green Party (and Nader
>  
> > himself)  from lingering animosity.
> >
> > Andrea Dorey
> > (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
> >
> > On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
> >>
> >> You are invited to the California showings of the new Ralph Nader 
> 
> >> documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader during the
>  
> >> California tour for his new book The Seventeen Traditions. See  
> >> schedule below.
> >>
> >> An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more than forty
>  
> >> on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of one of the  
> >> most unique, important, and controversial political figures of the
>  
> >> past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has garnered wide  
> >> critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's harshest critics  
> >> and most eloquent supporters to create a compelling and  
> >> inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our times.  
> >> Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are  
> >> available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com. See below for 
> 
> >> how to help promote the film.
> >>
> >> The Seventeen Traditions is an unexpected and extraordinary book  
> >> by Ralph Nader that looks back to the earliest days of his life,  
> >> to his serene and enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted,  
> >> Connecticut. From listening to learning, from patriotism to  
> >> argument, Nader revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from
>  
> >> his parents, his siblings, and the people in his community, and  
> >> draws from them inspiring lessons for today's society.
> >>
> >> An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday, February
>  
> >> 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272 Santa Monica  
> >> Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be three showings  
> >> daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm weekend matinee. On  
> >> Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A following the 4:30  
> >> and 7:15 showings, and introduce the 9:55 show on Friday only.  
> >> Tickets are available at the Landmark Nuart, or by phone at  
> >> 310-281-8223.
> >>
> >> After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following premiere 
> 
> >> dates:
> >>
> >> Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado.
> >> San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere Theater.
> >> Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck.
> >> Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater.
> >>
> >> The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the following
>  
> >> stops:
> >> Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood Bookstore in Los 
> 
> >> Angeles.
> >> Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble in Encino.
> >> Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club in San
> Francisco.
> >> Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University in San Rafael.
> >> Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc. at 601 Van Ness Ave. in  
> >> San Francisco.
> >>
> >> How to help:
> >> Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need many  
> >> committed volunteers to make it successful by:
> >>
> >> * Phone banking potential movie-goers
> >>
> >> * Selling tickets to your friends
> >>
> >> * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
> >>
> >>
> >> Can you help us out?
> >>
> >> Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> PLEASE Forward Widely
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  7 00:36:21 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:36:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Plundering Iraq Would Ensure More, Longer War;
	Proposed Iraqi Hydrocarbon Law Would Require Prolonged U.S.
	Occupation, Say Greens
Message-ID: <898223.9447.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>

One of our GPUS Media Committee press releases actually made it into
the Alt Press!  :-)  Yeah!!!

http://www.progress.org/2007/greenp43.htm

Plundering Iraq Would Ensure More, Longer War

Proposed Iraqi Hydrocarbon Law Would Require Prolonged U.S. Occupation,
Say Greens

Here are excerpts from statements by the Green Party of the United
States and authors Antonia Juhasz and Raed Jarrar.

Green Party leaders warned that the new 'hydrocarbon law' up for
approval in Iraq would lead to a prolonged, possibly permanent U.S.
presence in Iraq, with U.S. military and Iraqi civilian casualties for
years to come.
"The Iraqi hydrocarbon law, if approved by Iraqi lawmakers, will
provide lucrative profits for U.S. energy corporations by placing up to
2/3 of Iraqi oil resources under foreign control," said Liz Arnone,
co-chair of the Green Party of the United States. "The U.S. government,
whether led by Democrats or Republicans, will be committed to
protecting American energy company operations and investments in Iraq
by keeping U.S. troops there."

Greens noted that passage of the law will aggravate Iraqi and regional
anger over the U.S. invasion, which has cost the lives of hundreds of
thousands of Iraqi civilians (as well as over 3,100 U.S. troops),
destroyed Iraqi infrastructure, and ignited a sectarian civil war.

"Iraqis should be allowed to decide how their resources will be used,
without the pressure of the U.S. occupation and demands from the Bush
Administration," said Katey Culver, co-chair of the Green Party of the
United States and co-chiar of the Green Party of Tennessee. "The
hydrocarbon law amounts to legalized pillage by a foreign country, and
that's how Iraqis will interpret it."

The Green Party has called for immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from
Iraq and has urged Congress to cut off funding for the war to compel
President Bush to order the safe return of American service personnel.

"The Iraqi oil law shows that 'blood for oil' was a major reason for
the Iraq War all along. It demonstrates that President Bush didn't
invade Iraq because of claims about WMDs, conspiracy between Saddam
Hussein and al-Qaeda, liberation and democracy for the Iraqi people, or
other reasons that have proved fraudulent," said Green Party co-chair
Jim Coplen.

The Iraqi hydrocarbon law, which was secretly drafted with the help of
BearingPoint, a U.S. consultancy firm, provides 'production-sharing
agreements' (PSAs) allowing major Western energy companies like
ExxonMobil, Shell, ChevronTexaco, and BP to sign deals of up to 30
years to extract Iraq's oil. The PSAs appear to allow Iraq to retain
legal ownership of its oil, but will ensure major profits for non-Iraqi
companies that invest in infrastructure and operation of the wells,
pipelines and refineries.

Iraq would be the only major Middle Eastern oil producing nation whose
oil production is controlled by foreign companies. The hydrocarbon law
will turn Iraq into an oil spigot for western nations, rather than a
resource that benefits Iraqis.

The drafting process was secretive; few Iraqi officials were allowed to
read the text, until it was leaked over the Internet. The law was
approved by the Iraqi cabinet on February 26 and now heads to the Iraqi
Parliament, which is under heavy pressure from the U.S. to pass it.

Antonia Juhasz and Raed Jarrar write:

The new oil law gives foreign corporations access to almost every
sector of Iraq?s oil and natural gas industry. This includes service
contracts on existing fields that are already being developed and that
are managed and operated by the Iraqi National Oil Company (INOC). For
fields that have already been discovered, but not yet developed, the
proposed law stipulates that INOC will have to be a partner on these
contracts. But for as-yet-undiscovered fields, neither INOC nor private
Iraqi companies receive preference in new exploration and development.
Foreign companies have full access to these contracts.
The exploration and production contracts give firms exclusive control
of fields for up to 35 years including contracts that guarantee profits
for 25-years. A foreign company, if hired, is not required to partner
with an Iraqi company or reinvest any of its money in the Iraqi
economy. It?s not obligated to hire Iraqi workers train Iraqi workers,
or transfer technology.

The daily lives of most people in Iraq are overwhelmed with meeting
basic needs. They are unaware of the details and full nature of the oil
law shortly to be considered in parliament. Their parliamentarians, in
turn, have not been included in the debate over the law and were unable
to even read the draft until it was leaked on the Internet. Those
Iraqis able to make their voices heard on the oil law want more time.
They urge postponing a decision until Iraqis have their own sovereign
state without a foreign occupation.

Passing this oil law while the political future of Iraq is unclear can
only further the existing schisms in the Iraqi government. Forcing its
passage will achieve nothing more than an increase in the levels of
violence, anger, and instability in Iraq and a prolongation of the U.S.
occupation.


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  7 10:15:38 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:15:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] I am now a Sunnyvale Housing and Human Services
	Commissioner
Message-ID: <219751.35509.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

Fellow Greens,  

Greetings from Sunnyvale, California, "The Heart of Silicon Valley"
http://www.sunnyvale.ca.gov/

Last night the Sunnyvale City Council appointed me to the Sunnyvale
Housing and Human Services Commission!!!  So the HHS Commission works
on such issues as making sure that Housing and Human Services are
avalaible for all folks of all cultures, ages and lifestyles in
Sunnyvale. And by the way much of the effort that goes into covering
these needs are by churches and other faith-based groups. Here's the
blurb about HHS on the web page:

Information:
The Housing and Human Services Commission advises the City Council on
existing and potential programs, policies, and other issues regarding
housing and human services in Sunnyvale. In addition, it advises the
Council on City funding of outside groups and reviews Housing Community
Development Block Grant programs and priorities.
The 9 member advisory committee meets on the 4th Wednesday of each
month at 7 p.m. in the West Conference Room of City Hall. Applicants
should have knowledge of or demonstrated interest in Sunnyvale's
housing and socio-economic problems.

And here's the web page for more info:
http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/City+Council/Boards+and+Commissions/Housing/

So if you've noted something about Sunnyvale Housing
and Human Services you want to address I'm your guy. :-)

Drew

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Mar  7 11:33:12 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:33:12 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
References: <984c16870703061311h66e14ed8x5108ada70f98b415@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3C58D09-9BF3-4A04-9108-4498DD2FF599@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <45EF1378.1090603@earthlink.net>


I want to go ASAP in this area.  Which means Friday, March 16th.

NOTE: Remember the anti war rally is March 17th.

And for those who may want to inform others of where the movie
is showing, around the United States:

     http://www.anunreasonableman.com/calendar.cfm

I am somewhat unhappy that it seems to be showing in not very
many places.  We should encourage as many as possible to see
it as soon as possible, so that might encourage others to go
see it and other theatres to show it.

Gerry



Andrea Dorey wrote:

> We're fools if we don't support this.  
> 
> If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are divided so 
> badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do anything 
> important or at the national level because we can't do teamwork.
> 
> This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided we fall"?  
> An old truth.
> 
> Andrea
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
>> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>>
>>
>> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
>>
>> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>>
>>
>> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us 
>> <mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>>, "Cameron Spitzer" <cls at greens.org 
>> <mailto:cls at greens.org>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
>>
>>
>> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March 16 at 
>> Camera 12 Cinemas <http://www.cameracinemas.com/index.shtml>, located 
>> at 201 South Second Street. Show times and advanced tickets are 
>> available online 
>> <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi?cmd=bt&f=c12>or by 
>> phone at 408-998-3300.
>>
>> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org 
>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to San
>>     Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose, right next
>>     to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
>>
>>     One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of third
>>     parties is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have a young
>>     computer guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis I've
>>     ever heard of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.  I'm sure
>>     there are other voices out there who would concur with such an
>>     analysis for that election and others.  Maybe you folks could get
>>     together and design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk the idea
>>     (over and over again) better than Nader!  It would free the Green
>>     Party (and Nader himself)  from lingering animosity.
>>
>>      
>>
>>     Andrea Dorey
>>
>>     (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
>>
>>
>>     On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>     Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
>>>
>>>     You are invited to the California showings of the new Ralph Nader
>>>     documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader during
>>>     the California tour for his new book The Seventeen Traditions.
>>>     See schedule below.
>>>
>>>     An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more than
>>>     forty on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of one of
>>>     the most unique, important, and controversial political figures
>>>     of the past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has garnered
>>>     wide critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's harshest
>>>     critics and most eloquent supporters to create a compelling and
>>>     inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our times.
>>>     Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are
>>>     available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com
>>>     <http://www.anunreasonableman.com/>. See below for how to help
>>>     promote the film.
>>>
>>>     The Seventeen Traditions <http://www.seventeentraditions.com/> is
>>>     an unexpected and extraordinary book by Ralph Nader that looks
>>>     back to the earliest days of his life, to his serene and
>>>     enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted, Connecticut. From
>>>     listening to learning, from patriotism to argument, Nader
>>>     revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from his parents,
>>>     his siblings, and the people in his community, and draws from
>>>     them inspiring lessons for today's society.
>>>
>>>     An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday,
>>>     February 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272 Santa
>>>     Monica Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be three
>>>     showings daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm weekend
>>>     matinee. On Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A
>>>     following the 4:30 and 7:15 showings, and introduce the 9:55 show
>>>     on Friday only. Tickets are available at the Landmark Nuart
>>>     <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/LosAngeles/NuartTheatre.htm>,
>>>     or by phone at 310-281-8223.
>>>
>>>     After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following premiere
>>>     dates:
>>>
>>>         * Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado
>>>           <http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9>.
>>>         * San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere Theater
>>>           <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFrancisco/LumiereTheatre.htm>.
>>>         * Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck
>>>           <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFranciscoEastBay/ShattuckCinemas.htm>.
>>>         * Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater
>>>           <http://www.thenick.com/>.
>>>
>>>
>>>     The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the
>>>     following stops:
>>>
>>>         * Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood Bookstore
>>>           <http://www.duttonsbrentwood.com/> in Los Angeles.
>>>         * Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble
>>>           <http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com/storedetail.do;jsessionid=1DAE157FD82CCA89106D112D95212F6F?store=2583>
>>>           in Encino.
>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club
>>>           <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/index.php> in San Francisco.
>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University
>>>           <http://www.dominican.edu/events/lectures_ics/2007-aacmpy-1585586/index.html>
>>>           in San Rafael.
>>>         * Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc
>>>           <http://www.booksinc.net/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?page=266537&s=storeinfo&>.
>>>           at 601 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.
>>>
>>>
>>>     How to help:
>>>
>>>     Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need many
>>>     committed volunteers to make it successful by:
>>>
>>>     * Phone banking potential movie-goers
>>>
>>>     * Selling tickets to your friends
>>>
>>>     * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
>>>
>>>      
>>>     Can you help us out?
>>>
>>>     Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com>.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     PLEASE Forward Widely
>>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Mar  7 11:53:49 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:53:49 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] McCloskey compares US Attorney Firings
	to	Watergate
References: <45EE1103.1040006@charter.net>
Message-ID: <45EF184D.1010006@earthlink.net>


This article was picked up by Common Dreams (and is at a simpler URL):

     http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0306-22.htm

Gerry


Wes Rolley wrote:

> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/03/06/EDGRJN7AHK1.DTL 
> 
> *Open Forum
> When politics infects justice
> *Pete McCloskey
> Tuesday, March 6, 2007
> It seems ironic that U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., who was listed on 
> Nixon's Enemies List, will be the one wielding the gavel in another 


<snip>




From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  7 12:09:58 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:09:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <45EF1378.1090603@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <899644.46090.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com>

So it opens on Friday March 16th, and the Camera 12 downtown SJ web
site (details about the movie from their web site below) do not state a
time yet.  Could someone call them and see if they have a time set?  

As regards the 16th that might not be my first choice because we have
our weekly Friday night impeachment vigil happening at 5:30-7 and on
the 16th Christian Witness for Peace  will have a special service over
at Sunnyvale Presbyterian in honor of the third anniversary of the
martyrdom of Rachel Corrie who was killed in Gaza Palestine by an
Israeli bulldozer driver.  



        Christian Witness for Peace 
  	Time: Friday, March 16, 2007   @  7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
  	Location: Building 300


        	
Coming Soon
An Unreasonable Man
Opens 3/16/2007
Coming to:	  	Camera 12 Downtown

Director: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan

Synopsis: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan trace the life of career
of famed consumer advocate Ralph Nader, from the General Motors smear
campaign that launched his fame in 1966, to the 2000 presidential
election, where his independent candidacy was blamed by many for
putting George W. Bush in the White House. Without ever holding public
office, Nader has built a legislative record that is the rival of any
contemporary president, having been responsible for such innovations as
seat belts, airbags and product labeling. "Thoughtful and smoothly
edited, this is an absorbing chronicle of an extraordinary
career."--Variety.

Running Time: 122 Minutes
(plus 8-10 minutes of trailers)

Official Web Site:
http://www.anunreasonableman.com/

MPAA Rating: NR

No Free Passes, But Discount Cards O.K.
Reviews:
Smooth and Balanced Profile

By Sura Wood

PARK CITY -- A heroic crusader to some and the spoiler who betrayed the
Democratic Party to others, Ralph Nader emerges as a dedicated,
controversial and flawed figure in the documentary, "An Unreasonable
Man."

Filmmakers Henriette Mantel, who once worked for Nader, and Steve
Skrovan, smoothly integrate reams of material, dozens of insightful
interviews as well as archival news footage and, without the use of a
narrator, present a coherent, balanced picture of a lightning rod in
the political arena.

The film starts in 1966 when Nader is launched to prominence after he
riles General Motors with his attacks on car safety. He accused the
automobile industry of selling "psychosexual dreamboats."

Mantel and Skrovan showcase Nader's tireless, forceful advocacy for the
rights of the little guy and his own causes, which ranged from
transportation safety to drug labeling and clean air. He fought the big
boys and usually won. The list of organizations he founded or sponsored
and the legislation he was instrumental in passing are impressive.

There are nagging questions about Nader's personal life -- by all
accounts he doesn't have one -- and they aren't addressed till later in
the film. Even then, little time is spent on the subject. Colleagues
say he's married to his work, driven by a sense of injustice and a
"never give up, never give in" ethos, a form of absolutism that has
made him difficult to work for and harder to leave. Former employees
say he was hostile to anyone who stopped working for him.

The film primarily focuses on how and why Nader's bid for the
presidency in 2000 antagonized even his most ardent admirers. Many
interviewed here are still angry.

What makes this doc so successful is the willingness to present a wide
variety of opinions of Nader, a man who inspires intense emotions on
both sides of the aisle. Todd Gitlin, Dean of the Columbia Journalism
School, makes an impassioned case against Nader's misstep in 2000 and
again in 2004. Of the former Nader's Raiders, some kept the faith; some
are disillusioned, even bitter. There's a bit of levity, too. James
Fallows recalls Nader's attack on hot dogs, which were labeled
"missiles of death.' Clips from a "Saturday Night Live" show that Nader
hosted are, for lack of a better word, surprising.

Editors Alexis Provost and Beth Gallagher cut back and forth between
the talking heads so deftly that you have the illusion that Nader is
answering his critics in real time in a very lively debate.

Copyright 2007 Hollywood Reporter


Thoughtful Chronicle of Extraordinary Man

By Dennis Harvey

Crusading consumer advocate Ralph Nader's extraordinary career -- and
the recent Presidential campaigns that cast a pall over it -- are
thoughtfully chronicled in "An Unreasonable Man." A basically admiring
if critical portrait, docu by Henriette Mantel and Stephen Skrovan
(strangely, both standup comics and TV comedy writer-producers) finds
more than enough absorbing material to hold interest through nearly
three-hour runtime. Straightforward PBS-style effort will be most at
home on the small screen.

Hewing mostly to a chronological structure, pic at first jumps around a
bit, glimpsing Nader's controversial last few years, skipping back to
his first whistle-blowing triumphs in the early- to mid-1960s, then
rewinding all the way to his small-town Connecticut upbringing under
the wing of a father who imbued his children with the problem-solving,
community-minded assurance that "you can fight City Hall." Resulting
activist strain was visible in Ralph early on.

After graduating from Harvard Law School, a friend's near-fatal car
wreck led him toward investigation of the U.S. auto industry. Nader
recognized that cost-cutting design flaws and lack of safety equipment
were the true culprit in many traffic accidents. When his book "Unsafe
at Any Speed" came out in 1965, it caused a public furor that had
immediate effect, drastically improvingauto safety.

Hoping to discredit him, General Motors had Nader spied on and
harassed, even trying sexual entrapment. (Unfortunately for them, Nader
is a workaholic whose love life remains a mystery -- if it exists at
all -- to even his closest allies.) A subsequent $425,000
invasion-of-privacy settlement ironically provided him seed money for
even more sweeping investigations of corporate and governmental
malfeasance.

While Nader's accomplishments are many, his is a personality that turns
away personal glory while tempting accusations of megalomania. Many
collegiate "Nader's Raiders" who cut their teeth under his leadership
then moved on to public office felt the sting of his criticism when
their attempts to stir positive change within the compromise-driven
cronyism of D.C. politics failed to meet his exacting standards.

Feeling the two-party system had turned into a one-sided monopoly,
Nader ran for president in 1996, 2000 and 2004. When Al Gore lost to
George W. Bush in the bitterly contested 2000 election, much rage was
directed toward Nader for "stealing" votes that might otherwise have
gone to the Demos. Four years later, when Nader ran again, few liberals
still bought his notion that changing the overall party system trumped
choosing the lesser evil.

While the overall portrait is of a man whose unbending sense of moral
imperative can be both admirable and exasperating, the filmmakers
clearly hope Nader's rep and accomplishments can re-emerge from the
ill-will his political campaigns have generated. (Co-helmer Mantel
worked with Nader in the late 1970s.)

Mix of archival footage and contemporary interviews is given a smooth
editorial shape; other contribs are pro if undistinguished.

Copyright 2006 Variety


--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> I want to go ASAP in this area.  Which means Friday, March 16th.
> 
> NOTE: Remember the anti war rally is March 17th.
> 
> And for those who may want to inform others of where the movie
> is showing, around the United States:
> 
>      http://www.anunreasonableman.com/calendar.cfm
> 
> I am somewhat unhappy that it seems to be showing in not very
> many places.  We should encourage as many as possible to see
> it as soon as possible, so that might encourage others to go
> see it and other theatres to show it.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> 
> Andrea Dorey wrote:
> 
> > We're fools if we don't support this.  
> > 
> > If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are divided so
> 
> > badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do anything 
> > important or at the national level because we can't do teamwork.
> > 
> > This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided we
> fall"?  
> > An old truth.
> > 
> > Andrea
> > 
> > Begin forwarded message:
> > 
> > 
> >> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com 
> >> <mailto:anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
> >>
> >> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org
> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>>
> >>
> >> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us 
> >> <mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>>, "Cameron Spitzer" <cls at greens.org
> 
> >> <mailto:cls at greens.org>>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
> >>
> >>
> >> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March 16 at
> 
> >> Camera 12 Cinemas <http://www.cameracinemas.com/index.shtml>,
> located 
> >> at 201 South Second Street. Show times and advanced tickets are 
> >> available online 
> >> <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi?cmd=bt&f=c12>or
> by 
> >> phone at 408-998-3300.
> >>
> >> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org 
> >> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to San
> >>     Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose, right
> next
> >>     to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
> >>
> >>     One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of third
> >>     parties is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have a
> young
> >>     computer guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis
> I've
> >>     ever heard of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.  I'm
> sure
> >>     there are other voices out there who would concur with such an
> >>     analysis for that election and others.  Maybe you folks could
> get
> >>     together and design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk the
> idea
> >>     (over and over again) better than Nader!  It would free the
> Green
> >>     Party (and Nader himself)  from lingering animosity.
> >>
> >>      
> >>
> >>     Andrea Dorey
> >>
> >>     (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
> >>
> >>
> >>     On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>     Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
> >>>
> >>>     You are invited to the California showings of the new Ralph
> Nader
> >>>     documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader
> during
> >>>     the California tour for his new book The Seventeen
> Traditions.
> >>>     See schedule below.
> >>>
> >>>     An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more than
> >>>     forty on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of one
> of
> >>>     the most unique, important, and controversial political
> figures
> >>>     of the past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has
> garnered
> >>>     wide critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's harshest
> >>>     critics and most eloquent supporters to create a compelling
> and
> >>>     inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our
> times.
> >>>     Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are
> >>>     available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com
> >>>     <http://www.anunreasonableman.com/>. See below for how to
> help
> >>>     promote the film.
> >>>
> >>>     The Seventeen Traditions
> <http://www.seventeentraditions.com/> is
> >>>     an unexpected and extraordinary book by Ralph Nader that
> looks
> >>>     back to the earliest days of his life, to his serene and
> >>>     enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted, Connecticut. From
> >>>     listening to learning, from patriotism to argument, Nader
> >>>     revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from his
> parents,
> >>>     his siblings, and the people in his community, and draws from
> >>>     them inspiring lessons for today's society.
> >>>
> >>>     An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday,
> >>>     February 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272
> Santa
> >>>     Monica Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be three
> >>>     showings daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm weekend
> >>>     matinee. On Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A
> >>>     following the 4:30 and 7:15 showings, and introduce the 9:55
> show
> >>>     on Friday only. Tickets are available at the Landmark Nuart
> >>>    
> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/LosAngeles/NuartTheatre.htm>,
> >>>     or by phone at 310-281-8223.
> >>>
> >>>     After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following
> premiere
> >>>     dates:
> >>>
> >>>         * Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado
> >>>           <http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9>.
> >>>         * San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere Theater
> >>>          
>
<http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFrancisco/LumiereTheatre.htm>.
> >>>         * Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck
> >>>          
>
<http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFranciscoEastBay/ShattuckCinemas.htm>.
> >>>         * Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater
> >>>           <http://www.thenick.com/>.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the
> >>>     following stops:
> >>>
> >>>         * Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood
> Bookstore
> >>>           <http://www.duttonsbrentwood.com/> in Los Angeles.
> >>>         * Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble
> >>>          
>
<http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com/storedetail.do;jsessionid=1DAE157FD82CCA89106D112D95212F6F?store=2583>
> >>>           in Encino.
> >>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club
> >>>           <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/index.php> in San
> Francisco.
> >>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University
> >>>          
>
<http://www.dominican.edu/events/lectures_ics/2007-aacmpy-1585586/index.html>
> >>>           in San Rafael.
> >>>         * Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc
> >>>          
>
<http://www.booksinc.net/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?page=266537&s=storeinfo&>.
> >>>           at 601 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     How to help:
> >>>
> >>>     Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need
> many
> >>>     committed volunteers to make it successful by:
> >>>
> >>>     * Phone banking potential movie-goers
> >>>
> >>>     * Selling tickets to your friends
> >>>
> >>>     * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>     Can you help us out?
> >>>
> >>>     Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com
> >>>     <mailto:Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com>.
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>     PLEASE Forward Widely
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  7 12:14:16 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:14:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <45EF1378.1090603@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <447961.62632.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

So it opens on Friday March 16th, and the Camera 12 downtown SJ web
site (details about the movie from their web site below) do not state a
time yet.  Could someone call them and see if they have a time set?  

As regards the 16th that might not be my first choice because we have
our weekly Friday night impeachment vigil happening at 5:30-7 and on
the 16th Christian Witness for Peace  will have a special service over
at Sunnyvale Presbyterian in honor of the third anniversary of the
martyrdom of Rachel Corrie who was killed in Gaza Palestine by an
Israeli bulldozer driver.  

        Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition's Weekly Impeachment Vigil
        5:30-7P
        Location: Castro and El Camino

        Christian Witness for Peace 
  	Time: Friday, March 16, 2007   @  7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
  	Location: Sunnyvale Presbyterian, 
        728 W. Fremont Ave, Sunnyvale CA 94087, Building 300
        Phone: 408/739-1892

        	
Coming Soon
An Unreasonable Man
Opens 3/16/2007
Coming to:	  	Camera 12 Downtown

Director: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan

Synopsis: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan trace the life of career
of famed consumer advocate Ralph Nader, from the General Motors smear
campaign that launched his fame in 1966, to the 2000 presidential
election, where his independent candidacy was blamed by many for
putting George W. Bush in the White House. Without ever holding public
office, Nader has built a legislative record that is the rival of any
contemporary president, having been responsible for such innovations as
seat belts, airbags and product labeling. "Thoughtful and smoothly
edited, this is an absorbing chronicle of an extraordinary
career."--Variety.

Running Time: 122 Minutes
(plus 8-10 minutes of trailers)

Official Web Site:
http://www.anunreasonableman.com/

MPAA Rating: NR

No Free Passes, But Discount Cards O.K.
Reviews: Smooth and Balanced Profile

By Sura Wood

PARK CITY -- A heroic crusader to some and the spoiler who betrayed the
Democratic Party to others, Ralph Nader emerges as a dedicated,
controversial and flawed figure in the documentary, "An Unreasonable
Man."

Filmmakers Henriette Mantel, who once worked for Nader, and Steve
Skrovan, smoothly integrate reams of material, dozens of insightful
interviews as well as archival news footage and, without the use of a
narrator, present a coherent, balanced picture of a lightning rod in
the political arena.

The film starts in 1966 when Nader is launched to prominence after he
riles General Motors with his attacks on car safety. He accused the
automobile industry of selling "psychosexual dreamboats."

Mantel and Skrovan showcase Nader's tireless, forceful advocacy for the
rights of the little guy and his own causes, which ranged from
transportation safety to drug labeling and clean air. He fought the big
boys and usually won. The list of organizations he founded or sponsored
and the legislation he was instrumental in passing are impressive.

There are nagging questions about Nader's personal life -- by all
accounts he doesn't have one -- and they aren't addressed till later in
the film. Even then, little time is spent on the subject. Colleagues
say he's married to his work, driven by a sense of injustice and a
"never give up, never give in" ethos, a form of absolutism that has
made him difficult to work for and harder to leave. Former employees
say he was hostile to anyone who stopped working for him.

The film primarily focuses on how and why Nader's bid for the
presidency in 2000 antagonized even his most ardent admirers. Many
interviewed here are still angry.

What makes this doc so successful is the willingness to present a wide
variety of opinions of Nader, a man who inspires intense emotions on
both sides of the aisle. Todd Gitlin, Dean of the Columbia Journalism
School, makes an impassioned case against Nader's misstep in 2000 and
again in 2004. Of the former Nader's Raiders, some kept the faith; some
are disillusioned, even bitter. There's a bit of levity, too. James
Fallows recalls Nader's attack on hot dogs, which were labeled
"missiles of death.' Clips from a "Saturday Night Live" show that Nader
hosted are, for lack of a better word, surprising.

Editors Alexis Provost and Beth Gallagher cut back and forth between
the talking heads so deftly that you have the illusion that Nader is
answering his critics in real time in a very lively debate.

Copyright 2007 Hollywood Reporter


Thoughtful Chronicle of Extraordinary Man

By Dennis Harvey

Crusading consumer advocate Ralph Nader's extraordinary career -- and
the recent Presidential campaigns that cast a pall over it -- are
thoughtfully chronicled in "An Unreasonable Man." A basically admiring
if critical portrait, docu by Henriette Mantel and Stephen Skrovan
(strangely, both standup comics and TV comedy writer-producers) finds
more than enough absorbing material to hold interest through nearly
three-hour runtime. Straightforward PBS-style effort will be most at
home on the small screen.

Hewing mostly to a chronological structure, pic at first jumps around a
bit, glimpsing Nader's controversial last few years, skipping back to
his first whistle-blowing triumphs in the early- to mid-1960s, then
rewinding all the way to his small-town Connecticut upbringing under
the wing of a father who imbued his children with the problem-solving,
community-minded assurance that "you can fight City Hall." Resulting
activist strain was visible in Ralph early on.

After graduating from Harvard Law School, a friend's near-fatal car
wreck led him toward investigation of the U.S. auto industry. Nader
recognized that cost-cutting design flaws and lack of safety equipment
were the true culprit in many traffic accidents. When his book "Unsafe
at Any Speed" came out in 1965, it caused a public furor that had
immediate effect, drastically improvingauto safety.

Hoping to discredit him, General Motors had Nader spied on and
harassed, even trying sexual entrapment. (Unfortunately for them, Nader
is a workaholic whose love life remains a mystery -- if it exists at
all -- to even his closest allies.) A subsequent $425,000
invasion-of-privacy settlement ironically provided him seed money for
even more sweeping investigations of corporate and governmental
malfeasance.

While Nader's accomplishments are many, his is a personality that turns
away personal glory while tempting accusations of megalomania. Many
collegiate "Nader's Raiders" who cut their teeth under his leadership
then moved on to public office felt the sting of his criticism when
their attempts to stir positive change within the compromise-driven
cronyism of D.C. politics failed to meet his exacting standards.

Feeling the two-party system had turned into a one-sided monopoly,
Nader ran for president in 1996, 2000 and 2004. When Al Gore lost to
George W. Bush in the bitterly contested 2000 election, much rage was
directed toward Nader for "stealing" votes that might otherwise have
gone to the Demos. Four years later, when Nader ran again, few liberals
still bought his notion that changing the overall party system trumped
choosing the lesser evil.

While the overall portrait is of a man whose unbending sense of moral
imperative can be both admirable and exasperating, the filmmakers
clearly hope Nader's rep and accomplishments can re-emerge from the
ill-will his political campaigns have generated. (Co-helmer Mantel
worked with Nader in the late 1970s.)

Mix of archival footage and contemporary interviews is given a smooth
editorial shape; other contribs are pro if undistinguished.

Copyright 2006 Variety


--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> I want to go ASAP in this area.  Which means Friday, March 16th.
> 
> NOTE: Remember the anti war rally is March 17th.
> 
> And for those who may want to inform others of where the movie
> is showing, around the United States:
> 
>      http://www.anunreasonableman.com/calendar.cfm
> 
> I am somewhat unhappy that it seems to be showing in not very
> many places.  We should encourage as many as possible to see
> it as soon as possible, so that might encourage others to go
> see it and other theatres to show it.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> 
> Andrea Dorey wrote:
> 
> > We're fools if we don't support this.  
> > 
> > If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are divided so
> 
> > badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do anything 
> > important or at the national level because we can't do teamwork.
> > 
> > This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided we
> fall"?  
> > An old truth.
> > 
> > Andrea
> > 
> > Begin forwarded message:
> > 
> > 
> >> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com 
> >> <mailto:anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>>
> >>
> >> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
> >>
> >> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org
> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>>
> >>
> >> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us 
> >> <mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>>, "Cameron Spitzer" <cls at greens.org
> 
> >> <mailto:cls at greens.org>>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
> >>
> >>
> >> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March 16 at
> 
> >> Camera 12 Cinemas <http://www.cameracinemas.com/index.shtml>,
> located 
> >> at 201 South Second Street. Show times and advanced tickets are 
> >> available online 
> >> <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi?cmd=bt&f=c12>or
> by 
> >> phone at 408-998-3300.
> >>
> >> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org 
> >> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to San
> >>     Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose, right
> next
> >>     to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
> >>
> >>     One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of third
> >>     parties is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have a
> young
> >>     computer guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis
> I've
> >>     ever heard of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.  I'm
> sure
> >>     there are other voices out there who would concur with such an
> >>     analysis for that election and others.  Maybe you folks could
> get
> >>     together and design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk the
> idea
> >>     (over and over again) better than Nader!  It would free the
> Green
> >>     Party (and Nader himself)  from lingering animosity.
> >>
> >>      
> >>
> >>     Andrea Dorey
> >>
> >>     (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
> >>
> >>
> >>     On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>     Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
> >>>
> >>>     You are invited to the California showings of the new Ralph
> Nader
> >>>     documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader
> during
> >>>     the California tour for his new book The Seventeen
> Traditions.
> >>>     See schedule below.
> >>>
> >>>     An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more than
> >>>     forty on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of one
> of
> >>>     the most unique, important, and controversial political
> figures
> >>>     of the past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has
> garnered
> >>>     wide critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's harshest
> >>>     critics and most eloquent supporters to create a compelling
> and
> >>>     inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our
> times.
> >>>     Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are
> >>>     available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com
> >>>     <http://www.anunreasonableman.com/>. See below for how to
> help
> >>>     promote the film.
> >>>
> >>>     The Seventeen Traditions
> <http://www.seventeentraditions.com/> is
> >>>     an unexpected and extraordinary book by Ralph Nader that
> looks
> >>>     back to the earliest days of his life, to his serene and
> >>>     enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted, Connecticut. From
> >>>     listening to learning, from patriotism to argument, Nader
> >>>     revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from his
> parents,
> >>>     his siblings, and the people in his community, and draws from
> >>>     them inspiring lessons for today's society.
> >>>
> >>>     An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday,
> >>>     February 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272
> Santa
> >>>     Monica Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be three
> >>>     showings daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm weekend
> >>>     matinee. On Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A
> >>>     following the 4:30 and 7:15 showings, and introduce the 9:55
> show
> >>>     on Friday only. Tickets are available at the Landmark Nuart
> >>>    
> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/LosAngeles/NuartTheatre.htm>,
> >>>     or by phone at 310-281-8223.
> >>>
> >>>     After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following
> premiere
> >>>     dates:
> >>>
> >>>         * Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado
> >>>           <http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9>.
> >>>         * San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere Theater
> >>>          
>
<http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFrancisco/LumiereTheatre.htm>.
> >>>         * Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck
> >>>          
>
<http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFranciscoEastBay/ShattuckCinemas.htm>.
> >>>         * Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater
> >>>           <http://www.thenick.com/>.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the
> >>>     following stops:
> >>>
> >>>         * Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood
> Bookstore
> >>>           <http://www.duttonsbrentwood.com/> in Los Angeles.
> >>>         * Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble
> >>>          
>
<http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com/storedetail.do;jsessionid=1DAE157FD82CCA89106D112D95212F6F?store=2583>
> >>>           in Encino.
> >>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club
> >>>           <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/index.php> in San
> Francisco.
> >>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University
> >>>          
>
<http://www.dominican.edu/events/lectures_ics/2007-aacmpy-1585586/index.html>
> >>>           in San Rafael.
> >>>         * Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc
> >>>          
>
<http://www.booksinc.net/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?page=266537&s=storeinfo&>.
> >>>           at 601 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     How to help:
> >>>
> >>>     Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need
> many
> >>>     committed volunteers to make it successful by:
> >>>
> >>>     * Phone banking potential movie-goers
> >>>
> >>>     * Selling tickets to your friends
> >>>
> >>>     * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>     Can you help us out?
> >>>
> >>>     Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com
> >>>     <mailto:Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com>.
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>     PLEASE Forward Widely
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> > 
> > 
> >
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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Mar  7 17:34:30 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:34:30 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
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Yes, I agree.  That's how EAA and Raging Grannies kept "Who Killed  
the Electric Car?" going around the Bay Area for so long.
I don't even mind going to see it several times.
Andrea

On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Gerry Gras wrote:

>
> I want to go ASAP in this area.  Which means Friday, March 16th.
>
> NOTE: Remember the anti war rally is March 17th.
>
> And for those who may want to inform others of where the movie
> is showing, around the United States:
>
>     http://www.anunreasonableman.com/calendar.cfm
>
> I am somewhat unhappy that it seems to be showing in not very
> many places.  We should encourage as many as possible to see
> it as soon as possible, so that might encourage others to go
> see it and other theatres to show it.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
> Andrea Dorey wrote:
>
>> We're fools if we don't support this.  If we gang up on Nader and  
>> show that we progressives are divided so badly, the bad guys need  
>> never fear us.  We'll never do anything important or at the  
>> national level because we can't do teamwork.
>> This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided we  
>> fall"?  An old truth.
>> Andrea
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com  
>>> <mailto:anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
>>>
>>> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>>
>>>
>>> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  
>>> <mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>>, "Cameron Spitzer"  
>>> <cls at greens.org <mailto:cls at greens.org>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
>>>
>>>
>>> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March 16  
>>> at Camera 12 Cinemas <http://www.cameracinemas.com/index.shtml>,  
>>> located at 201 South Second Street. Show times and advanced  
>>> tickets are available online <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi- 
>>> bin/movies.cgi?cmd=bt&f=c12>or by phone at 408-998-3300.
>>>
>>> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org  
>>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to San
>>>     Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose, right  
>>> next
>>>     to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
>>>
>>>     One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of third
>>>     parties is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have a  
>>> young
>>>     computer guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis I've
>>>     ever heard of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.  I'm  
>>> sure
>>>     there are other voices out there who would concur with such an
>>>     analysis for that election and others.  Maybe you folks could  
>>> get
>>>     together and design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk the idea
>>>     (over and over again) better than Nader!  It would free the  
>>> Green
>>>     Party (and Nader himself)  from lingering animosity.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Andrea Dorey
>>>
>>>     (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>     Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
>>>>
>>>>     You are invited to the California showings of the new Ralph  
>>>> Nader
>>>>     documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader during
>>>>     the California tour for his new book The Seventeen Traditions.
>>>>     See schedule below.
>>>>
>>>>     An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more than
>>>>     forty on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of  
>>>> one of
>>>>     the most unique, important, and controversial political figures
>>>>     of the past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has garnered
>>>>     wide critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's harshest
>>>>     critics and most eloquent supporters to create a compelling and
>>>>     inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our times.
>>>>     Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are
>>>>     available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com
>>>>     <http://www.anunreasonableman.com/>. See below for how to help
>>>>     promote the film.
>>>>
>>>>     The Seventeen Traditions <http://www.seventeentraditions.com/ 
>>>> > is
>>>>     an unexpected and extraordinary book by Ralph Nader that looks
>>>>     back to the earliest days of his life, to his serene and
>>>>     enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted, Connecticut. From
>>>>     listening to learning, from patriotism to argument, Nader
>>>>     revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from his parents,
>>>>     his siblings, and the people in his community, and draws from
>>>>     them inspiring lessons for today's society.
>>>>
>>>>     An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday,
>>>>     February 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272 Santa
>>>>     Monica Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be three
>>>>     showings daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm weekend
>>>>     matinee. On Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A
>>>>     following the 4:30 and 7:15 showings, and introduce the 9:55  
>>>> show
>>>>     on Friday only. Tickets are available at the Landmark Nuart
>>>>     <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/LosAngeles/ 
>>>> NuartTheatre.htm>,
>>>>     or by phone at 310-281-8223.
>>>>
>>>>     After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following  
>>>> premiere
>>>>     dates:
>>>>
>>>>         * Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado
>>>>           <http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9>.
>>>>         * San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere Theater
>>>>           <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFrancisco/ 
>>>> LumiereTheatre.htm>.
>>>>         * Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck
>>>>           <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/ 
>>>> SanFranciscoEastBay/ShattuckCinemas.htm>.
>>>>         * Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater
>>>>           <http://www.thenick.com/>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the
>>>>     following stops:
>>>>
>>>>         * Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood  
>>>> Bookstore
>>>>           <http://www.duttonsbrentwood.com/> in Los Angeles.
>>>>         * Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble
>>>>           <http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com/ 
>>>> storedetail.do;jsessionid=1DAE157FD82CCA89106D112D95212F6F? 
>>>> store=2583>
>>>>           in Encino.
>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club
>>>>           <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/index.php> in San  
>>>> Francisco.
>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University
>>>>           <http://www.dominican.edu/events/lectures_ics/2007- 
>>>> aacmpy-1585586/index.html>
>>>>           in San Rafael.
>>>>         * Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc
>>>>           <http://www.booksinc.net/NASApp/store/IndexJsp? 
>>>> page=266537&s=storeinfo&>.
>>>>           at 601 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     How to help:
>>>>
>>>>     Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need  
>>>> many
>>>>     committed volunteers to make it successful by:
>>>>
>>>>     * Phone banking potential movie-goers
>>>>
>>>>     * Selling tickets to your friends
>>>>
>>>>     * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
>>>>
>>>>          Can you help us out?
>>>>
>>>>     Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com
>>>>     <mailto:Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     PLEASE Forward Widely
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Mar  7 17:58:58 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:58:58 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <447961.62632.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <447961.62632.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
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I sent an email to camera12 enquiring about times;
I also called Ron Regalia, the office manager, at his office  
408-998-3022 x10;
and from that I obtained his cell phone and called that 408-786-7323.
No contact yet, but left messages that asked if any times had been  
set yet, and thanked them for showing the movie.

We could start a flurry right now just by queries and by letting them  
know that each of us is from a group that wants to go as a group.
So if you call the general number first to leave a message to that  
effect first, you will give the impression that they are going to be  
swamped!!!
Good luck, all.
And thanks for taking this up.

Even is Nader isn't your favorite politician (for whatever reason), I  
think this movie is going to be very interesting!
I'm in favor of setting a group date and time and then set another  
for those who couldn't go to the first one.
Maybe a discussion group to compare notes over dinner?  Lunch?
Andrea

On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:14 PM, JamBoi wrote:

> So it opens on Friday March 16th, and the Camera 12 downtown SJ web
> site (details about the movie from their web site below) do not  
> state a
> time yet.  Could someone call them and see if they have a time set?
>
> As regards the 16th that might not be my first choice because we have
> our weekly Friday night impeachment vigil happening at 5:30-7 and on
> the 16th Christian Witness for Peace  will have a special service over
> at Sunnyvale Presbyterian in honor of the third anniversary of the
> martyrdom of Rachel Corrie who was killed in Gaza Palestine by an
> Israeli bulldozer driver.
>
>         Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition's Weekly Impeachment  
> Vigil
>         5:30-7P
>         Location: Castro and El Camino
>
>         Christian Witness for Peace
>   	Time: Friday, March 16, 2007   @  7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
>   	Location: Sunnyvale Presbyterian,
>         728 W. Fremont Ave, Sunnyvale CA 94087, Building 300
>         Phone: 408/739-1892
>
>         	
> Coming Soon
> An Unreasonable Man
> Opens 3/16/2007
> Coming to:	  	Camera 12 Downtown
>
> Director: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan
>
> Synopsis: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan trace the life of career
> of famed consumer advocate Ralph Nader, from the General Motors smear
> campaign that launched his fame in 1966, to the 2000 presidential
> election, where his independent candidacy was blamed by many for
> putting George W. Bush in the White House. Without ever holding public
> office, Nader has built a legislative record that is the rival of any
> contemporary president, having been responsible for such  
> innovations as
> seat belts, airbags and product labeling. "Thoughtful and smoothly
> edited, this is an absorbing chronicle of an extraordinary
> career."--Variety.
>
> Running Time: 122 Minutes
> (plus 8-10 minutes of trailers)
>
> Official Web Site:
> http://www.anunreasonableman.com/
>
> MPAA Rating: NR
>
> No Free Passes, But Discount Cards O.K.
> Reviews: Smooth and Balanced Profile
>
> By Sura Wood
>
> PARK CITY -- A heroic crusader to some and the spoiler who betrayed  
> the
> Democratic Party to others, Ralph Nader emerges as a dedicated,
> controversial and flawed figure in the documentary, "An Unreasonable
> Man."
>
> Filmmakers Henriette Mantel, who once worked for Nader, and Steve
> Skrovan, smoothly integrate reams of material, dozens of insightful
> interviews as well as archival news footage and, without the use of a
> narrator, present a coherent, balanced picture of a lightning rod in
> the political arena.
>
> The film starts in 1966 when Nader is launched to prominence after he
> riles General Motors with his attacks on car safety. He accused the
> automobile industry of selling "psychosexual dreamboats."
>
> Mantel and Skrovan showcase Nader's tireless, forceful advocacy for  
> the
> rights of the little guy and his own causes, which ranged from
> transportation safety to drug labeling and clean air. He fought the  
> big
> boys and usually won. The list of organizations he founded or  
> sponsored
> and the legislation he was instrumental in passing are impressive.
>
> There are nagging questions about Nader's personal life -- by all
> accounts he doesn't have one -- and they aren't addressed till  
> later in
> the film. Even then, little time is spent on the subject. Colleagues
> say he's married to his work, driven by a sense of injustice and a
> "never give up, never give in" ethos, a form of absolutism that has
> made him difficult to work for and harder to leave. Former employees
> say he was hostile to anyone who stopped working for him.
>
> The film primarily focuses on how and why Nader's bid for the
> presidency in 2000 antagonized even his most ardent admirers. Many
> interviewed here are still angry.
>
> What makes this doc so successful is the willingness to present a wide
> variety of opinions of Nader, a man who inspires intense emotions on
> both sides of the aisle. Todd Gitlin, Dean of the Columbia Journalism
> School, makes an impassioned case against Nader's misstep in 2000 and
> again in 2004. Of the former Nader's Raiders, some kept the faith;  
> some
> are disillusioned, even bitter. There's a bit of levity, too. James
> Fallows recalls Nader's attack on hot dogs, which were labeled
> "missiles of death.' Clips from a "Saturday Night Live" show that  
> Nader
> hosted are, for lack of a better word, surprising.
>
> Editors Alexis Provost and Beth Gallagher cut back and forth between
> the talking heads so deftly that you have the illusion that Nader is
> answering his critics in real time in a very lively debate.
>
> Copyright 2007 Hollywood Reporter
>
>
> Thoughtful Chronicle of Extraordinary Man
>
> By Dennis Harvey
>
> Crusading consumer advocate Ralph Nader's extraordinary career -- and
> the recent Presidential campaigns that cast a pall over it -- are
> thoughtfully chronicled in "An Unreasonable Man." A basically admiring
> if critical portrait, docu by Henriette Mantel and Stephen Skrovan
> (strangely, both standup comics and TV comedy writer-producers) finds
> more than enough absorbing material to hold interest through nearly
> three-hour runtime. Straightforward PBS-style effort will be most at
> home on the small screen.
>
> Hewing mostly to a chronological structure, pic at first jumps  
> around a
> bit, glimpsing Nader's controversial last few years, skipping back to
> his first whistle-blowing triumphs in the early- to mid-1960s, then
> rewinding all the way to his small-town Connecticut upbringing under
> the wing of a father who imbued his children with the problem-solving,
> community-minded assurance that "you can fight City Hall." Resulting
> activist strain was visible in Ralph early on.
>
> After graduating from Harvard Law School, a friend's near-fatal car
> wreck led him toward investigation of the U.S. auto industry. Nader
> recognized that cost-cutting design flaws and lack of safety equipment
> were the true culprit in many traffic accidents. When his book "Unsafe
> at Any Speed" came out in 1965, it caused a public furor that had
> immediate effect, drastically improvingauto safety.
>
> Hoping to discredit him, General Motors had Nader spied on and
> harassed, even trying sexual entrapment. (Unfortunately for them,  
> Nader
> is a workaholic whose love life remains a mystery -- if it exists at
> all -- to even his closest allies.) A subsequent $425,000
> invasion-of-privacy settlement ironically provided him seed money for
> even more sweeping investigations of corporate and governmental
> malfeasance.
>
> While Nader's accomplishments are many, his is a personality that  
> turns
> away personal glory while tempting accusations of megalomania. Many
> collegiate "Nader's Raiders" who cut their teeth under his leadership
> then moved on to public office felt the sting of his criticism when
> their attempts to stir positive change within the compromise-driven
> cronyism of D.C. politics failed to meet his exacting standards.
>
> Feeling the two-party system had turned into a one-sided monopoly,
> Nader ran for president in 1996, 2000 and 2004. When Al Gore lost to
> George W. Bush in the bitterly contested 2000 election, much rage was
> directed toward Nader for "stealing" votes that might otherwise have
> gone to the Demos. Four years later, when Nader ran again, few  
> liberals
> still bought his notion that changing the overall party system trumped
> choosing the lesser evil.
>
> While the overall portrait is of a man whose unbending sense of moral
> imperative can be both admirable and exasperating, the filmmakers
> clearly hope Nader's rep and accomplishments can re-emerge from the
> ill-will his political campaigns have generated. (Co-helmer Mantel
> worked with Nader in the late 1970s.)
>
> Mix of archival footage and contemporary interviews is given a smooth
> editorial shape; other contribs are pro if undistinguished.
>
> Copyright 2006 Variety
>
>
> --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I want to go ASAP in this area.  Which means Friday, March 16th.
>>
>> NOTE: Remember the anti war rally is March 17th.
>>
>> And for those who may want to inform others of where the movie
>> is showing, around the United States:
>>
>>      http://www.anunreasonableman.com/calendar.cfm
>>
>> I am somewhat unhappy that it seems to be showing in not very
>> many places.  We should encourage as many as possible to see
>> it as soon as possible, so that might encourage others to go
>> see it and other theatres to show it.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrea Dorey wrote:
>>
>>> We're fools if we don't support this.
>>>
>>> If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are divided so
>>
>>> badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do anything
>>> important or at the national level because we can't do teamwork.
>>>
>>> This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided we
>> fall"?
>>> An old truth.
>>>
>>> Andrea
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
>>>>
>>>> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org
>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>>
>>>>
>>>> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us
>>>> <mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>>, "Cameron Spitzer" <cls at greens.org
>>
>>>> <mailto:cls at greens.org>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March 16 at
>>
>>>> Camera 12 Cinemas <http://www.cameracinemas.com/index.shtml>,
>> located
>>>> at 201 South Second Street. Show times and advanced tickets are
>>>> available online
>>>> <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi?cmd=bt&f=c12>or
>> by
>>>> phone at 408-998-3300.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org
>>>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to San
>>>>     Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose, right
>> next
>>>>     to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
>>>>
>>>>     One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of third
>>>>     parties is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have a
>> young
>>>>     computer guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis
>> I've
>>>>     ever heard of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.  I'm
>> sure
>>>>     there are other voices out there who would concur with such an
>>>>     analysis for that election and others.  Maybe you folks could
>> get
>>>>     together and design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk the
>> idea
>>>>     (over and over again) better than Nader!  It would free the
>> Green
>>>>     Party (and Nader himself)  from lingering animosity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Andrea Dorey
>>>>
>>>>     (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>     Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
>>>>>
>>>>>     You are invited to the California showings of the new Ralph
>> Nader
>>>>>     documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader
>> during
>>>>>     the California tour for his new book The Seventeen
>> Traditions.
>>>>>     See schedule below.
>>>>>
>>>>>     An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more than
>>>>>     forty on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of one
>> of
>>>>>     the most unique, important, and controversial political
>> figures
>>>>>     of the past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has
>> garnered
>>>>>     wide critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's harshest
>>>>>     critics and most eloquent supporters to create a compelling
>> and
>>>>>     inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our
>> times.
>>>>>     Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are
>>>>>     available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com
>>>>>     <http://www.anunreasonableman.com/>. See below for how to
>> help
>>>>>     promote the film.
>>>>>
>>>>>     The Seventeen Traditions
>> <http://www.seventeentraditions.com/> is
>>>>>     an unexpected and extraordinary book by Ralph Nader that
>> looks
>>>>>     back to the earliest days of his life, to his serene and
>>>>>     enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted, Connecticut. From
>>>>>     listening to learning, from patriotism to argument, Nader
>>>>>     revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from his
>> parents,
>>>>>     his siblings, and the people in his community, and draws from
>>>>>     them inspiring lessons for today's society.
>>>>>
>>>>>     An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday,
>>>>>     February 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272
>> Santa
>>>>>     Monica Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be three
>>>>>     showings daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm weekend
>>>>>     matinee. On Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A
>>>>>     following the 4:30 and 7:15 showings, and introduce the 9:55
>> show
>>>>>     on Friday only. Tickets are available at the Landmark Nuart
>>>>>
>> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/LosAngeles/NuartTheatre.htm>,
>>>>>     or by phone at 310-281-8223.
>>>>>
>>>>>     After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following
>> premiere
>>>>>     dates:
>>>>>
>>>>>         * Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado
>>>>>           <http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9>.
>>>>>         * San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere Theater
>>>>>
>>
> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFrancisco/ 
> LumiereTheatre.htm>.
>>>>>         * Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck
>>>>>
>>
> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFranciscoEastBay/ 
> ShattuckCinemas.htm>.
>>>>>         * Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater
>>>>>           <http://www.thenick.com/>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the
>>>>>     following stops:
>>>>>
>>>>>         * Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood
>> Bookstore
>>>>>           <http://www.duttonsbrentwood.com/> in Los Angeles.
>>>>>         * Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble
>>>>>
>>
> <http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com/ 
> storedetail.do;jsessionid=1DAE157FD82CCA89106D112D95212F6F?store=2583>
>>>>>           in Encino.
>>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club
>>>>>           <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/index.php> in San
>> Francisco.
>>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University
>>>>>
>>
> <http://www.dominican.edu/events/lectures_ics/2007-aacmpy-1585586/ 
> index.html>
>>>>>           in San Rafael.
>>>>>         * Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc
>>>>>
>>
> <http://www.booksinc.net/NASApp/store/IndexJsp? 
> page=266537&s=storeinfo&>.
>>>>>           at 601 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     How to help:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need
>> many
>>>>>     committed volunteers to make it successful by:
>>>>>
>>>>>     * Phone banking potential movie-goers
>>>>>
>>>>>     * Selling tickets to your friends
>>>>>
>>>>>     * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Can you help us out?
>>>>>
>>>>>     Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com
>>>>>     <mailto:Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     PLEASE Forward Widely
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Mar  7 18:08:13 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:08:13 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: foreign ownership of Iraq oil pretext for
	continuing occupation
In-Reply-To: <410-22007352162725343@earthlink.net>
References: <410-22007352162725343@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F31FC79D-A600-4EE0-81B4-0D1240C163E0@cagreens.org>

One of the guests on KPFA 94.1 fm mentioned that the controlling body  
over Iraq's oil fields will be have in its name the term "Unity," and  
I laughed to think of the "Unity" presidency now in power!

How much clearer can they make the links without disturbing the  
complacency of the dumbed down US citizenry???
Andrea

On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Curt Wechsler wrote:

>
>> Iraqi Oil Law Gives Cover for Corporate Profit
>> By Emad Mekay, IPS News
>> Posted on March 2, 2007, Printed on March 2, 2007
>> http://www.alternet.org/story/48605/
>> The U.S.-backed Iraqi cabinet approved a new oil law Monday that  
>> is set
> to give foreign companies the long-term contracts and safe legal  
> framework
> they have been waiting for, but which has rattled labour unions and
> international campaigners who say oil production should remain in  
> the hands
> of Iraqis.
>>
>> Independent analysts and labour groups have also criticised the  
>> process
> of drafting the law and warned that that the bill is so skewed in  
> favour of
> foreign firms that it could end up heightening political tensions  
> in the
> Arab nation and spreading instability.
>>
>> For example, it specifies that up to two-thirds of Iraq's known  
>> reserves
> would be developed by multinationals, under contracts lasting for  
> 15 to 20
> years.
>>
>> This policy would represent a u-turn for Iraq's oil industry,  
>> which has
> been in the public sector for more than three decades, and would  
> break from
> normal practice in the Middle East.
>>
>> According to local labour leaders, transferring ownership to the  
>> foreign
> companies would give a further pretext to continue the U.S.  
> occupation on
> the grounds that those companies will need protection.
>>
>> Union leaders have complained that they, along with other civil  
>> society
> groups, were left out of the drafting process despite U.S. claims  
> it has
> created a functioning democracy in Iraq.
>>
>> Under the production-sharing agreements provided for in the draft  
>> law,
> companies will not come under the jurisdiction of Iraqi courts in  
> the event
> of a dispute, nor to the general auditor.
>>
>> The ownership of the oil reserves under this draft law will remain  
>> with
> the state in form, but not in substance, critics say.
>>
>> On Feb. 8, the labour unions sent a letter in Arabic to Iraqi  
>> President
> Jalal Talbani urging him to reconsider this kind of agreement.
>>
>> "Production-sharing agreements are a relic of the 1960s," said the
> letter. "They will re-imprison the Iraqi economy and impinge on Iraq's
> sovereignty since they only preserve the interests of foreign  
> companies. We
> warn against falling into this trap."
>>
>> Ewa Jasiewicz, a researcher at PLATFORM, a British human rights and
> environmental group that monitors the oil industry, told IPS in a  
> phone
> interview from London that, "First of all, it hasn't been put  
> together in
> any kind of democratic process... It's been put through a war and an
> occupation which in itself is a grotesquely undemocratic process."
>>
>> The law was prepared by a three-member Iraqi cabinet committee,  
>> dominated
> by the Kurds and the Shiites. It is now expected to be ratified by
> parliament because the powerful faction leaders in the government have
> cleared it.
>>
>> The first draft was seen only by the committee of the Iraqi  
>> technocrat
> who penned it, nine international oil companies, the British and  
> the U.S.
> governments and the International Monetary Fund. The Iraqi  
> parliament will
> get its first glimpse next week.
>>
>> Concerns about the process are compounded because of the ongoing  
>> disputes
> in Iraq over the legitimacy of the Iraqi cabinet and the Iraqi  
> parliament,
> which have been constructed by the occupation-created governing  
> council,
> which itself was created in 2004 along sectarian lines.
>>
>> In a speech earlier this month by Hassan Juma, head of the Iraqi Oil
> Labour Union, posted on the union's website, he called on the Iraqi
> government to consult with Iraqi oil experts and "ask their opinion  
> before
> sinking Iraq into an ocean of dark injustice."
>>
>> The content of the law has also worried both international  
>> campaigners
> and local Iraqi groups who say that it puts Iraqi oil wealth firmly  
> on the
> path to full privatisation.
>>
>> "The hydrocarbon law reflects the process of readying Iraq's oil for
> privatisation," said Jasiewicz. "Drafted in secret, shaped by foreign
> powers, untransparent, undemocratic and forced through under military
> occupation."
>>
>> Jasiewicz said the law can be regarded as the economic goal of the  
>> war
> and occupation and that "it will be viewed by most Iraqis as not just
> illegitimate, but a war crime."
>>
>> But officials from the Iraqi government, who have already sent the  
>> draft
> oil law to parliament for consideration, say it represents a step  
> forward
> for the war-torn country. Under the law, oil revenues would be  
> distributed
> to all 18 provinces based on population size, and regional  
> administrations
> have the authority to negotiate contracts with international oil  
> companies.
>>
>> Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a close ally of Washington, called  
>> the
> law "another founding stone in state-building."
>>
>> "This law will guarantee for Iraqis, not just now but for future
> generations too, complete national control over this natural  
> wealth," Oil
> Minister Hussain al-Shahristani has reportedly said.
>>
>> Initial drafts of the law starting eight months ago saw squabbles  
>> between
> the Kurdish factions who control the northern part of Iraq and the
> Shiite-led regime, as they both vied for bigger shares of the  
> country's oil
> wealth, estimated at 115 billion barrels. That they have finally  
> come to a
> final agreement may be a sign of long-sought stability.
>>
>> Yet critics, including Iraqi oil professionals, engineers and  
>> technicians
> in the unions, are instead advocating for technical service contracts,
> meaning a company would come in and offer services such as building a
> refinery, laying a pipeline, or offering consultancy services, get  
> their
> fees and then leave.
>>
>> "It is a much more equitable relationship because the control of
> production, development of oil will stay with the Iraqi state," said
> Jasiewicz.
>>
>> "That is the model that Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait generally operate.
> There's no other country in the Middle East with the kind of oil  
> reserves
> that Iraq has that would consider signing a production-sharing  
> agreement,"
> she said. "It's a form of privatisation and that's why those countries
> haven't signed these because it's not in their interests."
>>
>>
>> ? 2007 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
>> View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/48605/
>
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From alexcathy at aol.com  Wed Mar  7 18:21:44 2007
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:21:44 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <0F318A6B-EE33-4C73-A659-C60B8EBD0386@cagreens.org>
References: <447961.62632.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
	<0F318A6B-EE33-4C73-A659-C60B8EBD0386@cagreens.org>
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 "An Unreasonable Man" is a great documentary. 
 
 It is not just great because of what it tells you about Nader, but also because of the way it tracks the way Republicans and Democrats really did settle into the "one corporate party with 2 names" beginning in the Carter Administration and all through the so-called Reagan Revolution of the 1980s. 
 
 By the time it works its way through the Clinton years, irregardless of what you think about Ralph Nader, the Green Party, and various Green strategies, the evidence of the uselessness of the Democrats is overwhelming. 
 
 Finally, the Democrats irrational hatred of Ralph Nader since 2000 is plain for all to see. James Carville, Erik Alterman, and Todd Gitlin come across like the over-the-top fools that they are. 
 
 Alex Walker
 
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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Mar  7 18:32:10 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:32:10 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader Movie--Times to be posted next week...
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Thanks for that input, Alex!  You and Cathy are very much missed, so  
your emails are wonderful to help us keep in touch.
Regarding the movie here in San Jose at the Camera 12:

I received a call from Ron Regalia (what a name!) and he told me the  
following:

No times set yet for the movie.  Those will be posted next Tuesday.
It will be shown for only one week.  Then that screen will be "down."

I thanked him for showing the movie and told him I would see him next  
week.
Andrea

On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:21 PM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote:

> "An Unreasonable Man" is a great documentary.
>
> It is not just great because of what it tells you about Nader, but  
> also because of the way it tracks the way Republicans and Democrats  
> really did settle into the "one corporate party with 2 names"  
> beginning in the Carter Administration and all through the so- 
> called Reagan Revolution of the 1980s.
>
> By the time it works its way through the Clinton years,  
> irregardless of what you think about Ralph Nader, the Green Party,  
> and various Green strategies, the evidence of the uselessness of  
> the Democrats is overwhelming.
>
> Finally, the Democrats irrational hatred of Ralph Nader since 2000  
> is plain for all to see. James Carville, Erik Alterman, and Todd  
> Gitlin come across like the over-the-top fools that they are.
>
> Alex Walker
> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's  
> free from AOL at AOL.com.
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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Mar  7 18:37:26 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:37:26 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be
	the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand
	up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."]
In-Reply-To: <284920.78689.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <284920.78689.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60F3FB95-5533-49B9-8228-D59CA4792941@cagreens.org>

One thing we need to remember is: making the party more important  
than the democracy has been the mistake of the two Majors.  I hope we  
Greens won't go there.
Andrea

On Feb 28, 2007, at 3:50 PM, JamBoi wrote:

> I agree with her that Nader's importance goes completely unrecognized
> (except by Naderites and Greens whom she seems to forget entirely).
> Doesn't change the fact that Nader will likely run as an independent
> and will not run as a Green in 2008.  More power to him, but I'm very
> pleased that the Green Party is  past the Nader Era.  Now we are onto
> people who will actually build up the Green Party and make us a viable
> force.
>
> Green solidarity!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> I am forwarding Lorna Salzman's comments regarding the Chris Hedges
>> piece on Nader that has been referenced several times recently.
>> Whether
>> you agree with Lorna on everything, and I certainly do not, her
>> comments
>> here are worth reading and her passion is undeniable.
>> __ Lorn'a note follows __
>>
>> Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of
>> Ralph
>> Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done
>> is
>> reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal to
>> address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his
>> forty-year
>> career. In this respect they are representatives of the Democratic
>> Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been to
>> indulge
>> in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation that
>> Nader
>> has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the
>> last
>> refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals.
>>
>> Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of
>> corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and its
>>
>> apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can deny
>>
>> this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but
>> diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to
>> deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not one
>> of
>> them has come up with a single example of the Democratic Party's
>> vaunted
>> progressivism and achievements. For those with short memories, Hedges
>>
>> reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it would easily fit
>> onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon, Clinton was
>> a
>> neo-con.
>>
>> We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who
>> distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the
>> character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly
>>
>> accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped
>> into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left,
>> whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist
>> system
>> they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has been
>> articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some
>> environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and
>> occasionally
>> some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups like blacks
>> and
>> Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive principled movement
>> combining the best of these has not been attempted, at least not yet.
>>
>> These movements talk past one another, out of competition and
>> compulsive
>> ideologies that they as yet refuse to abandon.
>>
>> The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed above,
>>
>> have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism, materialism,
>>
>> growth, development, all of which are not only ecologically
>> disastrous
>> but which fit neatly into the plan of corporations. Black Americans,
>> for
>> the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; they don't want to
>> break
>> the golden egg laid by the capitalist goose. Their major
>> accomplishment
>> has been to persuade non-blacks and paleoliberals that the biggest
>> problems facing America are racism and poverty.
>>
>> Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But isnt
>> it
>> dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the American
>> dream
>> of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth that has DEPRIVED
>> so
>> many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it
>> obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and Democrats to
>> confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and
>> anti-environmental character of American society has contributed to
>> poverty and racial/economic injustice?
>>
>> How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to
>> liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is
>> amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And
>> that
>> only a full frontal attack on the system, including its electoral
>> configuration, will address the problem? This is at the heart of the
>> problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and economic
>> injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of the
>> SUCCESS
>> of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not out of its
>> FAILURE.
>>
>> Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most
>> prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual
>> leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity Politics
>>
>> and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the
>> present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in
>> 2000,
>> Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green Party
>> line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most
>> exaggerated
>> count, three hundred thousand members, this means that over 2 1/2
>> million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were non-greens; they
>> were
>> Democrats, Republicans, independents, conservatives, and
>> libertarians.
>> They were that potential green constituency that lay out there, ripe
>> for
>> the picking, which the Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized
>>
>> could be the future decision-making body in the party. Horror of
>> horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the
>> paleoliberals,
>> the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators
>>
>> like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of
>> power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier?
>>
>> I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I understand
>>
>> their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted
>> phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed
>> themselves
>> as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly progressive wash
>> painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever propaganda
>>
>> that distracted people from the fundamental problems by focusing on
>> their symptoms instead of their causes.
>> And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and
>> exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still
>> doesn't make them right.
>>
>> Lorna Salzman
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
>> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
>> Being willing is not enough;
>> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
>> Wesley C. Rolley
>> 17211 Quail Court
>> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
>> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:19:55 -0500
>> To: esalzman at aba.org
>> From: Lorna Salzman <lsalzman at rcn.com>
>> Subject: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008:  "This may be the twilight of
>> American
>> 	democracy.  And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain,
>> than
>> 	not to fight at all."
>>
>> Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted
>> the importance of Ralph Nader's accomplishments
>> or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done is
>> reveal their own failures and, worse, their
>> continuing refusal to address the issues that
>> Nader has raised in the course of his forty-year
>> career. In this respect they are representatives
>> of the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ
>> small. Their only defense has been to indulge in
>> personal attacks, with preference given to the
>> accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does
>> this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the last
>> refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals.
>>
>> Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by
>> the perimeter of corporate control, is what
>> distinguishes the Democratic Party and its
>> apologists. No amount of distracting insults and
>> accusations can deny this.  The Democrats, in
>> which we include the self-important but
>> diminutive pundits like  Gitlin, Moore and
>> Alterman, continue to deliberately avoid
>> discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not
>> one of them has come up with a single example of
>> the  Democratic Party's vaunted progressivism and
>> achievements. For those with short memories,
>> Hedges reiterates the record of Bill Clinton
>> below, and it would easily fit onto any
>> traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon,
>> Clinton was a neo-con.
>>
>> We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap
>> between those of us who distrust and disagree
>> with the abominable electoral system and the
>> character of American culture and politics, and
>> those who have meekly accepted it as the "best of
>> all possible worlds". No one has stepped into
>> this gap unless you include the brainless witless
>> extreme left, whose praxis and objectives eerily
>> mirror those of the capitalist system they
>> profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary
>> vision has been articulated (and then only
>> partially and ineffectively) by some
>> environmental leaders, decentralists,
>> bioregionalists, and occasionally some honest
>> libertarians (though not by minority groups like
>> blacks and Hispanics). But the construction of a
>> cohesive principled movement combining the best
>> of these has not been attempted, at least not
>> yet. These movements talk past one another, out
>> of competition and compulsive ideologies that
>> they as yet refuse to abandon.
>>
>> The fact is that most American movements, outside
>> those listed above, have bought the American
>> dream of excessive consumerism, materialism,
>> growth, development, all of which are not only
>> ecologically disastrous but which fit neatly into
>> the plan of corporations. Black Americans, for
>> the most part, just want a piece of the wealth;
>> they don't want to break the golden egg laid by
>> the capitalist goose. Their major accomplishment
>> has been to persuade non-blacks and
>> paleoliberals that the biggest problems facing
>> America are racism and poverty.
>>
>> Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this,
>> wouldnt it? But isnt it dumber to ignore the fact
>> that it has been PRECISELY the American dream  of
>> growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth
>> that has DEPRIVED so many Americans of their
>> health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it
>> obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists
>> and Democrats to confront the inequity,
>> injustice, unsustainability and
>> anti-environmental character of American society
>> has contributed to poverty and  racial/economic
>> injustice?
>>
>>   How can real progressives ever hope to explain
>> this to liberals...explain that the system they
>> trust and love, which is amenable to incremental
>> but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And that
>> only a full frontal attack on the system,
>> including its electoral configuration, will
>> address the problem? This is at the heart of the
>> problem with the Democratic Party: that the
>> social and economic injustices they traditionally
>> abhorred grow directly out of the SUCCESS of the
>> POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not
>> out of its FAILURE.
>>
>> Of all the failed movements, the green
>> movement/party is the most prominent and the most
>> tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual
>> leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads
>> like Identity Politics and Political Correctness.
>> What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the present
>> Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact
>> that in 2000, Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE
>> MILLION VOTES on the Green Party line. Given that
>> the national P enrollment was, at the most
>> exaggerated count, three hundred thousand
>> members, this means that over 2 1/2 million
>> Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were
>> non-greens; they were Democrats, Republicans,
>> independents, conservatives, and libertarians.
>> They were that potential green constituency that
>> lay out there, ripe for the picking, which the
>> Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized
>> could be the future decision-making body in the
>> party. Horror of horrors! The Greens in Dem
>> clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the
>> self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore,
>> the infiltrators like Medea Benjamin, all stood
>> to be ousted from their positions of power
>> by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier?
>>
>> I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader
>> because I understand their fears. They have been
>> revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted phonies,
>> utter failures, and hypocrites. They have
>> revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed
>> liberalism, the faintly progressive wash painted
>> over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by
>> clever propaganda that distracted people from the
>> fundamental problems by focusing on their
>> symptoms instead of their causes.
>> And when someone prominent and respected gets the
>> public's ear and exposes their failures, why of
>> course they get mad. But that still doesn't make
>> them right.
>>
>> Lorna Salzman
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <mailto:mattfuniciello at earthlink.net>Matt Funiciello
>> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:48 PM
>> Subject: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the
>> twilight of American democracy. And it is better
>> to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to
>> fight at all."
>>
>> Chris Hedges Says He'll Work For Nader in 2008!
>>
>> When the book, "War Is A Force That Gives Us
>> Meaning" came out, intellectuals and peace
>> activists alike flocked to it. It
>> was intelligent, well-reasoned and written by a
>> true craftsman with some truly horrific war
>> stories to tell and a keen eye to analyze the
>> costs for all concerned. Hedges says that he will
>> work for Ralph Nader in 2008 if he runs again (he
>> will). In Hedge's article, he talks about the
>> corporate rape of our government and how Nader is
>> one of the only national figures to recognize
>> this and to speak openly about the corrupt
>> corporate ownership of our nation. He notes that
>> someone with Ralph's incredible resume must have
>> only entered the public arena to fight the
>> "rapists" after their purchase of the Republican
>> Lite Party back in the 1980's and this presumes
>> that those who further the "ego trip" theory are
>> just buying into propaganda for those too limited
>> intellectually to think for themselves.
>>
>> Thank you Chris Hedges for being brave enough to
>> tell the truth! I sincerely hope that the
>> "propaganda-eaters" don't malign and abuse you
>> for telling the truth, though I suspect they
>> will. They don't appreciate the truth at all and
>> they don't like to talk about it either.
>>
>> On a similar topic, I spent half a day on
>> "Democratic Underground" about a month ago and
>> was kicked off (with absolutely no explanation).
>> For those unfamiliar, DU is a website with many
>> forums to discuss "progressive" issues, like who
>> you like better, Gore or Hillary. They also enjoy
>> talking about which pro-war Democratic candidate
>> they should vote for to end the war. Not exactly
>> a hotbed of rational thought .... but they're
>> Democrats. What do you expect?
>>
>> The "progressives" I was chatting with were
>> discussing the new Nader film, "An Unreasonable
>> Man". They were literally calling Ralph an
>> "idiot", "a fucking asshole" and a "scumbag". I
>> can only assume that this Democrat venom is
>> residual from the 2000 presidential run although
>> none of these idiots could explain their way out
>> of a paper bag nor do they feel that they owe me,
>> their enemy, any explanation. In their
>> minds, Nader was that guy who was "not a factor"
>> when they mailed out all the debate invitations
>> but who became the "ONLY factor"
>> when Al Gore ran such a weak-assed campaign that
>> he lost his own home state and Clinton's, too!
>> All I did on the forum with a particularly stupid
>> chatter was call Hillary a "fascist". I backed
>> that up by asking how someone can support the
>> Imperialist/Big Oil/Ruling Class agenda and vote
>> for illegal occupation and genocide and
>> also refuse to debate your legitimate opponents,
>> Tasini and Hawkins? I may have also pointed out
>> to a few Nader-haters that there were many other
>> third party candidates on the ballot in Florida
>> in that infamous election and that EVERY SINGLE
>> ONE OF THEM had enough votes to "spoil it" for
>> Gore. Using the Dems own questionable math
>> skills, shouldn't they be propagandizing against
>> all of those candidates! Why have they persisted
>> in vilifying only ONE guy, especially when that
>> one guy has done more for them than any elected
>> official has ever done?
>>
>> I guess they don't like having a conversation or
>> they're just frightened that their "logic"
>> doesn't make any sense? Very strange behavior,
>> indeed. These "sheeple" who call themselves
>> progressives lack even a basic willingness to try
>> and defend their viewpoint and their blind
>> obedience to their party bosses. This fearful
>> behavior fortifies me in my certitude that Ralph
>> is right and that we need to support him in
>> whatever number of elections he may choose to run
>> in.
>>
>> Peace to all those with open minds who are brave
>> enough to stand up and fight!      ;-)
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> Matt Funiciello
>> <mailto:mattfuniciello at earthlink.net>mattfuniciello at earthlink.net
>> Two Political Parties = One Massive Corporation
>>
>>
>>
>> Pariah or Prophet?
>>
>>
> <http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/ 
> 20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/>http://www.truthdig.com/ 
> report/item/20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/
>>
>> Posted on Feb 26, 2007
>>
>> By Chris Hedges
>>
>> I can?t imagine why Ralph Nader would run again.
>> He has been branded as an egomaniac, blacklisted
>> by the media, plunged into debt by a Democratic
>> Party machine that challenged his ballot access
>> petitions and locked him out of the presidential
>> debates. Most of his friends and supporters have
>> abandoned him, and he is almost universally
>> reviled for throwing the 2000 election to George
>> W. Bush.
>>
>> I can?t imagine why he would want to go through
>> this one more time.  But when Nader hinted in San
>> Francisco that he might run if Sen. Hillary
>> Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party
>> nominee, I knew I would be working for his
>> campaign if he indeed entered the race.  He
>> understands that American democracy has become a
>> consumer fraud and that if we do not do battle
>> with the corporations that, in the name of
>> globalization, are cannibalizing the country for
>> profit, our democratic state is doomed.
>>
>> I spent the last two years reporting and writing
>> ?American Fascists: The Christian Right and the
>> War on America.? The rise of the Christian
>> right?the most dangerous mass movement in
>> American history?can be traced directly to the
>> corporate rape of America.  This movement, which
>> calls for the eradication of real and imagined
>> enemies, all branded as ?satanic,? at home and
>> abroad, is an expression of rage.  This rage
>> rises out of the deep distortions and
>> dislocations that have beset tens of millions of
>> Americans shunted aside in the new global
>> marketplace.  The massive flight of manufacturing
>> and professional jobs overseas, the ruthless
>> slashing of state and federal assistance and the
>> rise of an unchecked American oligarchy have
>> plunged many Americans into deep economic and
>> personal despair.  They have turned, because of
>> this despair, to ?Christian? demagogues who
>> promise magic, miracles, angels, the gospel of
>> prosperity and a fantastic Christian utopia.  And
>> the Republicans and the Democrats are equally
>> culpable for this assault.
>>
>> There are only two solutions left.  We must
>> organize to fight the corporate state, to
>> redirect our national wealth and resources to
>> fund a massive antipoverty campaign and curb the
>> cycle of perpetual war that enriches the
>> military-industrial complex and by extension the
>> two political parties that dominate Washington,
>> or we must accept an inevitable Christo-fascism
>> backed by these corporations.  Don?t expect glib
>> Democratic politicians such as John Edwards, Sen.
>> Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama to address these
>> issues.  They are, as Nader understands, hostage
>> to corporate money.
>>
>> Nader, perhaps better than anyone else, has
>> grasped the long, disastrous rise of the
>> corporate state.
>>
>> He and his small army of activists helped write
>> citizen legislation in the 1960s and 1970s that
>> gave us, among many bills, the Clean Air Act, the
>> Mine and Health Safety Act and the Freedom of
>> Information Act.  He worked with and was courted
>> by sympathetic Democrats.  Presidential candidate
>> George McGovern saw him as a potential running
>> mate, but Nader refused to be enticed directly
>> into the political arena.  He was a skilled
>> Washington insider, one of the greatest idealists
>> within the democratic system.
>>
>> But the corporations grew tired of Nader?s
>> activism.  They mounted a well-oiled campaign to
>> destroy him.  These early attempts were clumsy
>> and amateurish, such as General Motor?s use of
>> private detectives to try to dig up dirt on his
>> private life; they found none. The campaign was
>> exposed and led to a public apology by GM.  Nader
>> was awarded $425,000 in damages, which he used to
>> fund citizen action groups.
>>
>> Lewis Powell, who was the general counsel to the
>> U.S. Chamber of Commerce and would later be
>> appointed to the Supreme Court, wrote a memo in
>> August 1971 that expressed corporate concerns.
>> ?The single most effective antagonist of American
>> business is Ralph Nader,? the memo read, ?a
>> legend in his own time and an idol to millions of
>> Americans. ... There should be no hesitation to
>> attack [Nader and others].?
>>
>> Corporations poured hundreds of millions into the
>> assault.  They set up pseudo-think tanks, such as
>> the Heritage Foundation, which invented bogus
>> disciplines including cost-benefit and
>> risk-management analysis, all geared to change
>> the debate from health, labor and safety issues
>> to the rising cost of big government.  They ran
>> sophisticated ad campaigns to beguile voters.
>> These corporations wrenched apart, through lavish
>> campaign donations and intensive and shady
>> lobbying, the ties between Nader?s public
>> interest groups and his supporters in the
>> Democratic Party.  Washington, by the time they
>> were done, was besieged with 25,000 corporate
>> lobbyists and 9,000 corporate action committees.
>>
>> When Ronald Reagan, the corporate pitch man,
>> swept into office he set out to dismantle some 30
>> governmental regulations, most put into place by
>> Nader and his allies, all of which curbed the
>> abuse of corporations.  The Reagan White House
>> worked to gut 20 years of Nader legislation.
>> And, once a fixture on Capital Hill, Nader became
>> a pariah.
>>
>> Nader, however, did not give up.  He turned to
>> local community organizing, assisting grass-roots
>> campaigns around the country such the one to
>> remove benzene, known to cause cancer, from paint
>> in GM car plants.  But by the time Bill Clinton
>> and Al Gore took office the corporate state was
>> ascendant.  Nader and his citizen committees were
>> frozen out by Democrats as well as Republicans.
>> Clinton and Gore never met with him.
>>
>> ?We tried every way to get the Democrats to pick
>> up on issues that really commanded the felt
>> concerns and daily life of millions of
>> Americans,? Nader says in the new documentary
>> about his life, ?An Unreasonable Man,? ?but these
>> were issues that corporations didn?t want
>> attention paid to, and so when people say why did
>> you do this in 2000, I say I?m a 20-year veteran
>> of pursuing the folly of the least worse between
>> the two parties.?
>>
>> The Clinton administration pushed through NAFTA,
>> gutted welfare, gave up on universal healthcare,
>> deregulated the communications industry and
>> abolished federal aid to families with dependent
>> children.  It further empowered the growing
>> corporate state and exacerbated the despair that
>> has fueled its allies in the Christian right.
>>
>> ?For 20 years,? Nader says in the film, ?we saw
>> the doors closing on us in Washington, on our
>> citizen groups and a lot of other citizen groups,
>> and what are we here for?  To improve the
>> country.  We couldn?t get congressional hearings,
>> even with the Democrats in charge.?
>>
>> There is a fascinating rage?and rage is the right
>> word?expressed by many on the left in this fine
>> film about Nader.  Todd Gitlin, Eric Alterman and
>> Michael Moore, along with a host of former
>> Nader?s Raiders, spit out venomous insults toward
>> Nader, a man they profess to have once admired,
>> the most common charge being that Nader is a
>> victim of his oversized ego.
>>
>> This anger is the anger of the betrayed.  But
>> they were not betrayed by Nader.  They betrayed
>> themselves.  They allowed themselves to buy into
>> the facile argument of ?the least worse? and
>> ignore the deeper, subterranean assault on our
>> democracy that Nader has always addressed.
>>
>> It was an incompetent, corporatized Democratic
>> Party, along with the orchestrated fraud by the
>> Republican Party, that threw the 2000 election to
>> Bush, not Ralph Nader.  Nader received only 2.7
>> percent of the vote in 2000 and got less than
>> one-half of 1 percent in 2004.  All of the
>> third-party candidates who ran in 2000 in
>> Florida?there were about half a dozen of them?got
>> more votes than the 537-vote difference between
>> Bush and Gore.  Why not go after the other
>> third-party candidates?  And what about the 10
>> million Democrats who voted in 2000 for Bush?
>> What about Gore, whose campaign was so timid and
>> empty?he never mentioned global warming?that he
>> could not carry his home state of Tennessee?  And
>> what about the 2004 cartoon-like candidate, John
>> Kerry, who got up like a Boy Scout and told us he
>> was reporting for duty and would bring us
>> ?victory? in Iraq?
>>
>> Nader argues that there are few?he never said
>> no?differences between the Democrats and the
>> Republicans.  And during the first four years of
>> the Bush administration the Democrats proved him
>> right.  They authorized the war in Iraq.  They
>> stood by as Bush stacked the judiciary with
>> ?Christian? ideologues.  They let Bush, in
>> violation of the Constitution, pump hundreds of
>> millions of taxpayer dollars into faith-based
>> organizations that discriminate based on belief
>> and sexual orientation and openly proselytize.
>> They stood by as American children got fleeced by
>> No Child Left Behind.  Democrats did not protest
>> when federal agencies began to propagate
>> ?Christian? pseudo-science about creationism,
>> reproductive rights and homosexuality.  And the
>> Democrats let Bush further dismantle regulatory
>> agencies, strip American citizens of
>> constitutional rights under the Patriot Act and
>> other draconian legislation, and thrust
>> impoverished Americans aside through the
>> corporate-sponsored bankruptcy bill.  It is a
>> stunning record.
>>
>> Bush is the worst president in American history.
>> If Gore, or Kerry, had the spine to take him on,
>> to challenge corporate welfare, corporate crime,
>> the hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate
>> bailouts and issues such as labor law reform, if
>> either had actually stood up to these corporate
>> behemoths on behalf of the working and middle
>> class, rather than mutter thought-terminating
>> clich?s about American greatness, he could have
>> won with a landslide.  But Gore and Kerry did not
>> dare to piss off their corporate paymasters.
>>
>> There are a few former associates in the film who
>> argue that Nader is tarnishing his legacy, and by
>> extension their own legacy.  But Nader?s legacy
>> is undiminished.  He fights his wars against
>> corporate greed with a remarkable consistency.
>> He knows our democratic state is being hijacked
>> by the same corporate interests that sold us
>> unsafe automobiles and dangerous and shoddy
>> products.  This is a battle not for some
>> unachievable ideal but to save our democracy.
>>
>> ?I don?t care about my personal legacy,? Nader
>> says in the film.  ?I care about how much justice
>> is advanced in America and in our world day after
>> day.  I?m willing to sacrifice whatever
>> ?reputation? in the cause of that effort.  What
>> is my legacy?  Are they going to turn around and
>> rip out seat belts out of cars, air bags out of
>> cars??
>>
>> These corporations, and their enraged and
>> manipulated followers in the Christian right,
>> tens of millions of them, if left unchecked will
>> propel us into despotism.  The corporate state
>> has rigged our system, hollowed out our political
>> process and steadily stripped citizens of
>> constitutional rights, federal and state
>> protection and assistance.  This may be the
>> twilight of American democracy.  And it is better
>> to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to
>> fight at all.
>>
>> Chris Hedges? latest book is ?American Fascists:
>> The Christian Right and the War on America.?
>> --
>> NOW PLAYING AT YOUR LOCAL MARXIST CINEMA: "DR.
>> STRANGELEFT, OR, HOW I  STOPPED WORRYING AND
>> LEARNED TO LOVE THE BOMBERS".
>>
>>
>> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully
>> as when they do it from religious conviction" (B.
>> Pascal)
>>
>> "We are already fighting World War III and I am
>> sorry to say we are winning. It is the war
>> against the earth".....Raymond Dasmann
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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Mar  7 18:39:19 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:39:19 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be
	the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand
	up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."]
In-Reply-To: <649405.8689.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <649405.8689.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1457AE4B-6EA7-4766-89D3-3550C5F0D1AC@cagreens.org>

I guess you don't listen to KPFA?  On Democracy Now, Nader left the  
door wide open.
Andrea

On Feb 28, 2007, at 10:53 PM, JamBoi wrote:

> Thing is he won't be running on any party ticket.  Independent.   
> End of
> story.
>
> Vote Green for Change!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Bob Alavi <baalavi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The comments and passage seem to generally make sense.  Thanks!
>>
>>   Ralph Nader, in my opinion, has been the number one PUBLIC SERVANT
>> in the country, if there were any such thing; in a true sense of the
>> word.
>>
>>   Chances are if he ran on any party's ticket, he'd have my vote.
>>
>>   Don't particularly care for any form of religious fundamentalism
>> either.
>>
>>   :)
>>
>> Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:
>>   I am forwarding Lorna Salzman's comments regarding the Chris Hedges
>>
>> piece on Nader that has been referenced several times recently.
>> Whether
>> you agree with Lorna on everything, and I certainly do not, her
>> comments
>> here are worth reading and her passion is undeniable.
>> __ Lorn'a note follows __
>>
>> Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of
>> Ralph
>> Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done
>> is
>> reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal to
>> address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his
>> forty-year
>> career. In this respect they are representatives of the Democratic
>> Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been to
>> indulge
>> in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation that
>> Nader
>> has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the
>> last
>> refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals.
>>
>> Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of
>> corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and its
>>
>> apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can deny
>>
>> this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but
>> diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to
>> deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not one
>> of
>> them has come up with a single example of the Democratic Party's
>> vaunted
>> progressivism and achievements. For those with short memories, Hedges
>>
>> reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it would easily fit
>> onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon, Clinton was
>> a
>> neo-con.
>>
>> We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who
>> distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the
>> character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly
>>
>> accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped
>> into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left,
>> whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist
>> system
>> they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has been
>> articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some
>> environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and
>> occasionally
>> some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups like blacks
>> and
>> Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive principled movement
>> combining the best of these has not been attempted, at least not yet.
>>
>> These movements talk past one another, out of competition and
>> compulsive
>> ideologies that they as yet refuse to abandon.
>>
>> The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed above,
>>
>> have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism, materialism,
>>
>> growth, development, all of which are not only ecologically
>> disastrous
>> but which fit neatly into the plan of corporations. Black Americans,
>> for
>> the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; they don't want to
>> break
>> the golden egg laid by the capitalist goose. Their major
>> accomplishment
>> has been to persuade non-blacks and paleoliberals that the biggest
>> problems facing America are racism and poverty.
>>
>> Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But isnt
>> it
>> dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the American
>> dream
>> of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth that has DEPRIVED
>> so
>> many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it
>> obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and Democrats to
>> confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and
>> anti-environmental character of American society has contributed to
>> poverty and racial/economic injustice?
>>
>> How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to
>> liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is
>> amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And
>> that
>> only a full frontal attack on the system, including its electoral
>> configuration, will address the problem? This is at the heart of the
>> problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and economic
>> injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of the
>> SUCCESS
>> of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not out of its
>> FAILURE.
>>
>> Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most
>> prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual
>> leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity Politics
>>
>> and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the
>> present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in
>> 2000,
>> Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green Party
>> line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most
>> exaggerated
>> count, three hundred thousand members, this means that over 2 1/2
>> million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were non-greens; they
>> were
>> Democrats, Republicans, independents, conservatives, and
>> libertarians.
>> They were that potential green constituency that lay out there, ripe
>> for
>> the picking, which the Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized
>>
>> could be the future decision-making body in the party. Horror of
>> horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the
>> paleoliberals,
>> the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators
>>
>> like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of
>> power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier?
>>
>> I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I understand
>>
>> their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted
>> phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed
>> themselves
>> as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly progressive wash
>> painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever propaganda
>>
>> that distracted people from the fundamental problems by focusing on
>> their symptoms instead of their causes.
>> And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and
>> exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still
>> doesn't make them right.
>>
>> Lorna Salzman
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
>> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
>> Being willing is not enough;
>> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
>> Wesley C. Rolley
>> 17211 Quail Court
>> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
>> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
>>
>> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:19:55 -0500
>> To: esalzman at aba.org
>> From: Lorna Salzman <lsalzman at rcn.com>
>> Subject: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight of
>> American
>> democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain, than
>> not to fight at all."
>>
>>       Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance
>> of Ralph Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they
>> have done is reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing
>> refusal to address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of
>> his forty-year career. In this respect they are representatives of
>> the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense
>> has been to indulge in personal attacks, with preference given to the
>> accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does this mean?
>> Absolutely nothing. It is the last refuge of scoundrels and civil
>> society criminals.
>>
>>
>>   Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of
>> corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and its
>> apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can deny
>> this.  The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but
>> diminutive pundits like  Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to
>> deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not one
>> of them has come up with a single example of the  Democratic Party's
>> vaunted progressivism and achievements. For those with short
>> memories, Hedges reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it
>> would easily fit onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to
>> Nixon, Clinton was a neo-con.
>>
>>
>>   We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us who
>> distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the
>> character of American culture and politics, and those who have meekly
>> accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has stepped
>> into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme left,
>> whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist
>> system they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has
>> been articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some
>> environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and
>> occasionally some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups
>> like blacks and Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive
>> principled movement combining the best of these has not been
>> attempted, at least not yet. These movements talk past one another,
>> out of competition and compulsive ideologies that they as yet refuse
>> to abandon.
>>
>>
>>   The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed
>> above, have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism,
>> materialism, growth, development, all of which are not only
>> ecologically disastrous but which fit neatly into the plan of
>> corporations. Black Americans, for the most part, just want a piece
>> of the wealth; they don't want to break the golden egg laid by the
>> capitalist goose. Their major accomplishment has been to persuade
>> non-blacks and  paleoliberals that the biggest problems facing
>> America are racism and poverty.
>>
>>
>>   Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But
>> isnt it dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the
>> American dream  of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth
>> that has DEPRIVED so many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and
>> dignity? Isn't it obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and
>> Democrats to confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and
>> anti-environmental character of American society has contributed to
>> poverty and  racial/economic injustice?
>>
>>
>>    How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to
>> liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is
>> amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And
>> that only a full frontal attack on the system, including its
>> electoral configuration, will address the problem? This is at the
>> heart of the problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and
>> economic injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of
>> the SUCCESS of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not
>> out of its FAILURE.
>>
>>
>>   Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most
>> prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual
>> leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity Politics
>> and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the
>> present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in
>> 2000, Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green
>> Party line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most
>> exaggerated count, three hundred thousand members, this means that
>> over 2 1/2 million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were
>> non-greens; they were Democrats, Republicans, independents,
>> conservatives, and libertarians. They were that potential green
>> constituency that lay out there, ripe for the picking, which the
>> Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized could be the future
>> decision-making body in the party. Horror of horrors! The Greens in
>> Dem clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the
>>  self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the infiltrators
>> like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions of
>> power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier?
>>
>>
>>   I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I
>> understand their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as
>> chicken=hearted phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have
>> revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the
>> faintly progressive wash painted over the cynical Democrats, and
>> promoted by clever propaganda that distracted people from the
>> fundamental problems by focusing on their symptoms instead of their
>> causes.
>>   And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and
>> exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still
>> doesn't make them right.
>>
>>
>>   Lorna Salzman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----  From: Matt Funiciello  Sent: Monday,
>> February 26, 2007 12:48 PM  Subject: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may
>> be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand up
>> and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."
>>   Chris Hedges Says He'll Work For Nader in 2008!     When the book,
>> "War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning" came out, intellectuals and
>> peace activists alike flocked to it. It was intelligent,
>> well-reasoned and written by a true craftsman with some truly
>> horrific war stories to tell and a keen eye to analyze the costs for
>> all concerned. Hedges says that he will work for Ralph Nader in 2008
>> if he runs again (he will). In Hedge's article, he talks about the
>> corporate rape of our government and how Nader is one of the only
>> national figures to recognize this and to speak openly about the
>> corrupt corporate ownership of our nation. He notes that someone with
>> Ralph's incredible resume must have only entered the public arena to
>> fight the "rapists" after their purchase of the Republican Lite Party
>> back in the 1980's and this presumes that those who further the "ego
>> trip" theory are just buying into propaganda for those too limited
>> intellectually to think for themselves.     Thank
>>  you Chris Hedges for being brave enough to tell the truth! I
>> sincerely hope that the "propaganda-eaters" don't malign and abuse
>> you for telling the truth, though I suspect they will. They don't
>> appreciate the truth at all and they don't like to talk about it
>> either.     On a similar topic, I spent half a day on "Democratic
>> Underground" about a month ago and was kicked off (with absolutely no
>> explanation). For those unfamiliar, DU is a website with many forums
>> to discuss "progressive" issues, like who you like better, Gore or
>> Hillary. They also enjoy talking about which pro-war Democratic
>> candidate they should vote for to end the war. Not exactly a hotbed
>> of rational thought .... but they're Democrats. What do you expect?
>>   The "progressives" I was chatting with were discussing the new
>> Nader film, "An Unreasonable Man". They were literally calling Ralph
>> an "idiot", "a fucking asshole" and a "scumbag". I can only assume
>> that this Democrat venom is residual from the 2000
>>  presidential run although none of these idiots could explain their
>> way out of a paper bag nor do they feel that they owe me, their
>> enemy, any explanation. In their minds, Nader was that guy who was
>> "not a factor" when they mailed out all the debate invitations but
>> who became the "ONLY factor" when Al Gore ran such a weak-assed
>> campaign that he lost his own home state and Clinton's, too! All I
>> did on the forum with a particularly stupid chatter was call Hillary
>> a "fascist". I backed that up by asking how someone can support the
>> Imperialist/Big Oil/Ruling Class agenda and vote for illegal
>> occupation and genocide and also refuse to debate your legitimate
>> opponents, Tasini and Hawkins? I may have also pointed out to a few
>> Nader-haters that there were many other third party candidates on the
>> ballot in Florida in that infamous election and that EVERY SINGLE ONE
>> OF THEM had enough votes to "spoil it" for Gore. Using the Dems own
>> questionable math skills, shouldn't they be
>>  propagandizing against all of those candidates! Why have they
>> persisted in vilifying only ONE guy, especially when that one guy has
>> done more for them than any elected official has ever done?     I
>> guess they don't like having a conversation or they're just
>> frightened that their "logic" doesn't make any sense? Very strange
>> behavior, indeed. These "sheeple" who call themselves progressives
>> lack even a basic willingness to try and defend their viewpoint and
>> their blind obedience to their party bosses. This fearful behavior
>> fortifies me in my certitude that Ralph is right and that we need to
>> support him in whatever number of elections he may choose to run in.
>>    Peace to all those with open minds who are brave enough to stand
>> up and fight!      ;-)     Matt     Matt Funiciello
>> mattfuniciello at earthlink.net  Two Political Parties = One Massive
>> Corporation
>>    Pariah or Prophet?
>>
>>
> http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/ 
> 20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/
>>   Posted on Feb 26, 2007
>>   By Chris Hedges
>>   I can?t imagine why Ralph Nader would run again.  He has been
>> branded as an egomaniac, blacklisted by the media, plunged into debt
>> by a Democratic Party machine that challenged his ballot access
>> petitions and locked him out of the presidential debates. Most of his
>> friends and supporters have abandoned him, and he is almost
>> universally reviled for throwing the 2000 election to George W. Bush.
>>   I can?t imagine why he would want to go through this one more time.
>>  But when Nader hinted in San Francisco that he might run if Sen.
>> Hillary Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party nominee, I knew I
>> would be working for his campaign if he indeed entered the race.  He
>> understands that American democracy has become a consumer fraud and
>> that if we do not do battle with the corporations that, in the name
>> of globalization, are cannibalizing the country for profit, our
>> democratic state is doomed.
>>   I spent the last two years reporting and writing ?American
>> Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.? The rise of
>> the Christian right?the most dangerous mass movement in American
>> history?can be traced directly to the corporate rape of America.
>> This movement, which calls for the eradication of real and imagined
>> enemies, all branded as ?satanic,? at home and abroad, is an
>> expression of rage.  This rage rises out of the deep distortions and
>> dislocations that have beset tens of millions of Americans shunted
>> aside in the new global marketplace.  The massive flight of
>> manufacturing and professional jobs overseas, the ruthless slashing
>> of state and federal assistance and the rise of an unchecked American
>> oligarchy have plunged many Americans into deep economic and personal
>> despair.  They have turned, because of this despair, to ?Christian?
>> demagogues who promise magic, miracles, angels, the gospel of
>> prosperity and a fantastic Christian utopia.  And the Republicans
>>  and the Democrats are equally culpable for this assault.
>>   There are only two solutions left.  We must organize to fight the
>> corporate state, to redirect our national wealth and resources to
>> fund a massive antipoverty campaign and curb the cycle of perpetual
>> war that enriches the military-industrial complex and by extension
>> the two political parties that dominate Washington, or we must accept
>> an inevitable Christo-fascism backed by these corporations.  Don?t
>> expect glib Democratic politicians such as John Edwards, Sen. Clinton
>> and Sen. Barack Obama to address these issues.  They are, as Nader
>> understands, hostage to corporate money.
>>   Nader, perhaps better than anyone else, has grasped the long,
>> disastrous rise of the corporate state.
>>   He and his small army of activists helped write citizen legislation
>> in the 1960s and 1970s that gave us, among many bills, the Clean Air
>> Act, the Mine and Health Safety Act and the Freedom of Information
>> Act.  He worked with and was courted by sympathetic Democrats.
>> Presidential candidate George McGovern saw him as a potential running
>> mate, but Nader refused to be enticed directly into the political
>> arena.  He was a skilled Washington insider, one of the greatest
>> idealists within the democratic system.
>>   But the corporations grew tired of Nader?s activism.  They mounted
>> a well-oiled campaign to destroy him.  These early attempts were
>> clumsy and amateurish, such as General Motor?s use of private
>> detectives to try to dig up dirt on his private life; they found
>> none. The campaign was exposed and led to a public apology by GM.
>> Nader was awarded $425,000 in damages, which he used to fund citizen
>> action groups.
>>   Lewis Powell, who was the general counsel to the U.S. Chamber of
>> Commerce and would later be appointed to the Supreme Court, wrote a
>> memo in August 1971 that expressed corporate concerns.  ?The single
>> most effective antagonist of American business is Ralph Nader,? the
>> memo read, ?a legend in his own time and an idol to millions of
>> Americans. ... There should be no hesitation to attack [Nader and
>> others].?
>>   Corporations poured hundreds of millions into the assault.  They
>> set up pseudo-think tanks, such as the Heritage Foundation, which
>> invented bogus disciplines including cost-benefit and risk-management
>> analysis, all geared to change the debate from health, labor and
>> safety issues to the rising cost of big government.  They ran
>> sophisticated ad campaigns to beguile voters.  These corporations
>> wrenched apart, through lavish campaign donations and intensive and
>> shady lobbying, the ties between Nader?s public interest groups and
>> his supporters in the Democratic Party.  Washington, by the time they
>> were done, was besieged with 25,000 corporate lobbyists and 9,000
>> corporate action committees.
>>   When Ronald Reagan, the corporate pitch man, swept into office he
>> set out to dismantle some 30 governmental regulations, most put into
>> place by Nader and his allies, all of which curbed the abuse of
>> corporations.  The Reagan White House worked to gut 20 years of Nader
>> legislation.  And, once a fixture on Capital Hill, Nader became a
>> pariah.
>>   Nader, however, did not give up.  He turned to local community
>> organizing, assisting grass-roots campaigns around the country such
>> the one to remove benzene, known to cause cancer, from paint in GM
>> car plants.  But by the time Bill Clinton and Al Gore took office the
>> corporate state was ascendant.  Nader and his citizen committees were
>> frozen out by Democrats as well as Republicans.  Clinton and Gore
>> never met with him.
>>   ?We tried every way to get the Democrats to pick up on issues that
>> really commanded the felt concerns and daily life of millions of
>> Americans,? Nader says in the new documentary about his life, ?An
>> Unreasonable Man,? ?but these were issues that corporations didn?t
>> want attention paid to, and so when people say why did you do this in
>> 2000, I say I?m a 20-year veteran of pursuing the folly of the least
>> worse between the two parties.?
>>   The Clinton administration pushed through NAFTA, gutted welfare,
>> gave up on universal healthcare, deregulated the communications
>> industry and abolished federal aid to families with dependent
>> children.  It further empowered the growing corporate state and
>> exacerbated the despair that has fueled its allies in the Christian
>> right.
>>   ?For 20 years,? Nader says in the film, ?we saw the doors closing
>> on us in Washington, on our citizen groups and a lot of other citizen
>> groups, and what are we here for?  To improve the country.  We
>> couldn?t get congressional hearings, even with the Democrats in
>> charge.?
>>   There is a fascinating rage?and rage is the right word?expressed by
>> many on the left in this fine film about Nader.  Todd Gitlin, Eric
>> Alterman and Michael Moore, along with a host of former Nader?s
>> Raiders, spit out venomous insults toward Nader, a man they profess
>> to have once admired, the most common charge being that Nader is a
>> victim of his oversized ego.
>>   This anger is the anger of the betrayed.  But they were not
>> betrayed by Nader.  They betrayed themselves.  They allowed
>> themselves to buy into the facile argument of ?the least worse? and
>> ignore the deeper, subterranean assault on our democracy that Nader
>> has always addressed.
>>   It was an incompetent, corporatized Democratic Party, along with
>> the orchestrated fraud by the Republican Party, that threw the 2000
>> election to Bush, not Ralph Nader.  Nader received only 2.7 percent
>> of the vote in 2000 and got less than one-half of 1 percent in 2004.
>> All of the third-party candidates who ran in 2000 in Florida?there
>> were about half a dozen of them?got more votes than the 537-vote
>> difference between Bush and Gore.  Why not go after the other
>> third-party candidates?  And what about the 10 million Democrats who
>> voted in 2000 for Bush?  What about Gore, whose campaign was so timid
>> and empty?he never mentioned global warming?that he could not carry
>> his home state of Tennessee?  And what about the 2004 cartoon-like
>> candidate, John Kerry, who got up like a Boy Scout and told us he was
>> reporting for duty and would bring us ?victory? in Iraq?
>>   Nader argues that there are few?he never said no?differences
>> between the Democrats and the Republicans.  And during the first four
>> years of the Bush administration the Democrats proved him right.
>> They authorized the war in Iraq.  They stood by as Bush stacked the
>> judiciary with ?Christian? ideologues.  They let Bush, in violation
>> of the Constitution, pump hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars
>> into faith-based organizations that discriminate based on belief and
>> sexual orientation and openly proselytize. They stood by as American
>> children got fleeced by No Child Left Behind.  Democrats did not
>> protest when federal agencies began to propagate ?Christian?
>> pseudo-science about creationism, reproductive rights and
>> homosexuality.  And the Democrats let Bush further dismantle
>> regulatory agencies, strip American citizens of constitutional rights
>> under the Patriot Act and other draconian legislation, and thrust
>> impoverished Americans aside through the corporate-sponsored
>>  bankruptcy bill.  It is a stunning record.
>>
>> Bush is the worst president in American history.  If Gore, or Kerry,
>> had the spine to take him on, to challenge corporate welfare,
>> corporate crime, the hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate
>> bailouts and issues such as labor law reform, if either had actually
>> stood up to these corporate behemoths on behalf of the working and
>> middle class, rather than mutter thought-terminating clich?s about
>> American greatness, he could have won with a landslide.  But Gore and
>> Kerry did not dare to piss off their corporate paymasters.
>>   There are a few former associates in the film who argue that Nader
>> is tarnishing his legacy, and by extension their own legacy.  But
>> Nader?s legacy is undiminished.  He fights his wars against corporate
>> greed with a remarkable consistency.  He knows our democratic state
>> is being hijacked by the same corporate interests that sold us unsafe
>> automobiles and dangerous and shoddy products.  This is a battle not
>> for some unachievable ideal but to save our democracy.
>>   ?I don?t care about my personal legacy,? Nader says in the film.
>> ?I care about how much justice is advanced in America and in our
>> world day after day.  I?m willing to sacrifice whatever ?reputation?
>> in the cause of that effort.  What is my legacy?  Are they going to
>> turn around and rip out seat belts out of cars, air bags out of
>> cars??
>>   These corporations, and their enraged and manipulated followers in
>> the Christian right, tens of millions of them, if left unchecked will
>> propel us into despotism.  The corporate state has rigged our system,
>> hollowed out our political process and steadily stripped citizens of
>> constitutional rights, federal and state protection and assistance.
>> This may be the twilight of American democracy.  And it is better to
>> stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all.
>>   Chris Hedges? latest book is ?American Fascists: The Christian
>> Right and the War on America.?
>> --  
>>   NOW PLAYING AT YOUR LOCAL MARXIST CINEMA: "DR. STRANGELEFT, OR, HOW
>> I  STOPPED WORRYING AND LEARNED TO LOVE THE BOMBERS".
>>
>>
>>
>> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
>> from religious conviction" (B. Pascal)
>>
>> "We are already fighting World War III and I am sorry to say we are
>> winning. It is the war against the earth".....Raymond Dasmann
>>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Mar  7 18:42:38 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:42:38 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Now not then (was Re: Lorna Salzman on Chris
	Hedges)
In-Reply-To: <270301.5137.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <270301.5137.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CE9B0D81-8F79-4C4F-9EC8-17993B99A724@cagreens.org>

Sorry, Drew, but no matter how many times you say it, Nader will  
never be irrelevant.  You may not want him to run for the Greens, but  
that's a cow of another color.
Andrea

On Mar 1, 2007, at 10:54 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Hey Mark,
>
> I agree.  I have no interest in 'old grievances' or in old candidates
> that are now irrelevant.  Kat Swift (TX), Elaine Brown (GA) announced
> for President.  Cynthia McKinney (GA) is highly likely to any day now.
> I'm not sure about Kent Mesplay or others. KCM Curry has announced for
> Vice President.  That's what now.
>
> Green = GO!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Mark Lause <MLause at cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> JamBoi wrote, "its simply a fact that we are in the post Nader era of
>> the
>> Green Party.  I've spent major amounts of time with Greens all across
>> the
>> country and taken the temperature and there is simply no interest in
>> nominating someone who doesn't even want to be nominated and who
>> doesn't
>> want to join and help build up the Green Parties. Nada."
>>
>> If I may interject, there are two considerations that really
>> shouldn't be
>> counterposed.  First, you want the widely-known person you can run
>> who will
>> do the principles justice.  Second, you want someone who will use the
>> campaign to build the party as a whole.  Intentions and rhetoric
>> aside, in
>> 2004, those who supported Nader got one and those who supported Cobb
>> got
>> neither.  The result left the Green Party much worse after 2004 than
>> after
>> 2000.
>>
>> We need to focus less on old grievances and more on what's doing
>> what's the
>> best for the Green Party.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Mar  7 19:05:51 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:05:51 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <8C92B162EC371A5-1EC0-7ADB@mblk-r29.sysops.aol.com>
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Yeah, man, what are YOU doing here, you la-la land emigre???   ;- ))
Andrea


On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:14 AM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> A question has come up on the South San Francisco Bay Green list  
> about the participation of a Green activist from Ohio.
>
>
> -----Begin Original Message-----
> From: MLause at cinci.rr.com
> To: jamboi at yahoo.com; tnharter at ispwest.com; sosfbay- 
> discuss at cagreens.org
> Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 4:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
>
> Ah, well.
>
>
>
> If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been  
> on this
>
> list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy  
> organization with
>
> an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
>
>
>
> . . .
>
>
>
> In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave you
>
> "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your  
> past
>
> decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those  
> decisions have
>
> made things here in the cornbelt.
>
>
>
> Solidarity!
>
> Mark L.
>
>
>
> -----End Original Message-----
>
>
>
>
>
> This situation is precisely why I was originally so excited about  
> the Green Commons Web Site.
>
>
>
> Since we are totally ignored by the mainstream media, it is almost  
> impossible
>
> to know about Green activity around the country or even around the  
> State.  I used to
>
> live in Northern California, but my wife and I recently moved to  
> Los Angeles.  I follow
>
> sosfbay-discuss because I am interested, I personally know many of  
> the people, and I we get
>
> nothing from the Los Angeles MSM about what goes on among Bay Area  
> Greens.
>
>
>
> Furthermore, if an individual Green is successful, then that person  
> is seen as even
>
> more threatening to the status quo, and therefore, more likely to  
> be blackballed by the
>
> MSM.  Thus, for example, when Gayle McLaughlin was elected Mayor of  
> Richmond, that
>
> should have been a big, statewide story.  Instead, the MSM buried  
> it.  As I write this the
>
> City of Los Angeles is struggling (yet, again) to deal with new  
> wave of gang violence.  Alas,
>
> it is unthinkable that the good-for-nothing MSM would even mention  
> that McLaughlin is dealing
>
> with these very issues in Richmond or that Donna Warren has  
> literally been on the front lines
>
> in this particular battle right in inner-city LA for many years.  
> The Los Angeles Times
>
> dutifuly reported the current troubles of San Fransisco Democratic  
> Mayor Gavin Newsome,
>
> but of course, they never mention that the good people of San  
> Francisco had a superior alternative
>
> when they elected San Francisco's "Little Bill Clinton" back in 2003.
>
>
>
> As an African-American I have been dying to get input about what  
> works and what doesn't work
>
> for Greens organizing in so-called minority communities.
>
>
>
> I have had a nice exchange of views with one sister in Los Angeles  
> about Barack Obama.  I
>
> received an e-mail from KCM Curry touting her own candidacy, but  
> otherwise I'm getting nothing.
>
>
>
> In 2004 a tremendous amount of time and effort went into certifying  
> the Green Party Black Caucus.
>
> Members of the GPBC went to the national convention and gave a nice  
> presentation.  There were the
>
> familiar charges and counter-charges of racism. Almost every day  
> somebody would post that
>
> Green Party was hopelessly "racist."  And almost every day I  
> replied with a post that said:
>
> "Compared to what?"
>
>
>
> Despite all this, fights over Nader vs Cobb, a silly dispute with  
> the Lavender Greens, and an even
>
> sillier objection to a Black Latina joining the group (BTW, I am  
> proud to say that when the matter
>
> finally came to a vote, the group voted overwhelmingly to accept  
> the Latina sister),
>
> the Green Party Black Caucus was duly certified and Michelle  
> Tingling-Simmons elected chair.
>
>
>
> Guess what?
>
>
>
> It almost immediately fell apart!
>
>
>
> I have seen this sort of thing in other organizations before and  
> it's one of the reasons why I am
>
> one of the very few "minority" activists nowadays who does not  
> believe in "minority" caucuses.
>
> Despite the best intentions of the best people involved in these  
> efforts, they almost always end up
>
> being both divisive and a waste of money, energy, and time.  This  
> "caucuses" model is a throwback
>
> to the '40s, '50s, and '60s when old white men in smoke-filled  
> rooms in the Democratic Party and
>
> in the AFL-CIO allowed... grudgingly... a few "minorites" to  
> participate.  It is just my eccentric
>
> personal opinion, but I think this is part of the Democratic- 
> Repubican legacy that Greens would discard.
>
>
>
> But I digress.
>
>
>
> My point in relating this story is that some mechanism needs to be  
> in place to allow an exchange
>
> of ideas, techniques, and experiences among far-flung Greens.  When  
> the Green Party Black Caucus
>
> was active, I read posts by couple of well-informed members of the  
> Illinois Green Party
>
> about a certain Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama.  I'd  
> love to know what these brothers
>
> think today but I've lost those contacts.
>
>
>
> One of the posts to sosfbay-discuss asked the fellow from Ohio  
> whatever happened to all the Green
>
> activity right after the 2004 elections in Ohio?  Good question.  I  
> would really like to know. Ohio
>
> happens to be one of the states where we could surely use some hard- 
> hitting Black Greens.  I mean,
>
> the Black Republican Kenneth Blackwell was the one who masterminded  
> the stolen election, and the
>
> clueless, weak Black Democrats around Cleveland were the ones who  
> let the "Brotha" get away with
>
> it.  And working-class Cleveland is the base for none other than  
> Dennis Kucinich.  By now Cleveland
>
> should be ripe for revolution!
>
>
>
> Comes now, from out of nowhere, Elaine Brown declaring her  
> candidacy for president.
>
>
>
> I know she ran as Green Party candidate for mayor of a city in  
> Georgia.
>
>
>
> I know her history in the Black Panther Party in California (and  
> most of what I know is not good).
>
>
>
> Now she wants the Green Party to nominate her for President of the  
> United States?
>
>
>
> For PRESIDENT?
>
>
>
> I guess it falls on me, the Black guy, to say out loud what some  
> may be thinking privately. Are
>
> Greens in Ohio and Oregon and Montana and in the Central Valley of  
> California going to go tabling
>
> at their local farmer's market and say:
>
>
>
> "Here's our Black Panther Green Party candidate FOR PRESIDENT!" ?
>
>
>
> Rhetoric aside, what do any of us really know about this candidate?
>
>
>
> We need to know.
>
>
>
>
> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's  
> free from AOL at AOL.com.
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From drpesto at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  7 21:00:33 2007
From: drpesto at hotmail.com (Michael Fischetti)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:00:33 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] anti war walk
Message-ID: <BAY22-F7834859F434F30CC0AD15A4790@phx.gbl>

this saturday march 10 we will be walking through los gatos with out

ANTI-WAR or IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY signs hoping to get a few

people thinking


so far there are 7 of us including tian, fred, meriam,drew and several 
members of mountain view voices for peace

we will meet in los gatos a 5 pm at the far end of town on santa cruz avenue 
in the park in front of the post office  and walk till 6 or 6:30

bring signs

if successful we would hope to "reach out"  to other cities

all welcome

mike fischetti

_________________________________________________________________
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Wed Mar  7 22:02:57 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:02:57 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <2745BB87-8DA9-4E26-9026-741FC48F6236@cagreens.org>
References: <8C92B162EC371A5-1EC0-7ADB@mblk-r29.sysops.aol.com>
	<2745BB87-8DA9-4E26-9026-741FC48F6236@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <AD767145-0DD7-4839-AACA-31094C238BBC@duendevision.com>

I wasn't going to say any more than I had when I gave Tian's comment  
concerning Drew's admonishment of Mark an amen. However I hadn't  
really read what Mark had posted at the time (I was working from most  
recent posts to old). I'd assumed it was something at least a bit  
invasive for Drew to make the comment he did.(though I still didn't  
agree with it). After having read the whole thread, I'm embarrassed  
for us that we had such a thoughtful person as Mark asked to refrain  
from commenting on "our" list. The only way we will ever make it on  
this planet is by inclusion and for a Green group to allow this to go  
down on another with the only comment being in the vein of "let's not  
fight amongst each other"  is inexcusable.

Mark is CC'd on this email and I'm extending a personal apology and a  
request that he please rejoin this list.

So here goes.

Mark. I'm really sorry for what transpired when you expressed your  
opinion concerning Nader and the relevance (or not) of the 2004 Green  
candidates. Having input from others from a possibly diverse  
geopolitical point of view can only strengthen us all, as individuals  
and as a group. Please consider rejoining the Sosfbay Discussion list.

If other fell as I do (and I know there are more than a few) I'd hope  
they'd make their feelings known on this.

Peace

Duende


_________________________________________________________________
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part  
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and  
feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical  
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for  
us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few  
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this  
prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living  
creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

Albert Einstein


On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Andrea Dorey wrote:

> Yeah, man, what are YOU doing here, you la-la land emigre???   ;- ))
> Andrea
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:14 AM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> A question has come up on the South San Francisco Bay Green list  
>> about the participation of a Green activist from Ohio.
>>
>>
>> -----Begin Original Message-----
>> From: MLause at cinci.rr.com
>> To: jamboi at yahoo.com; tnharter at ispwest.com; sosfbay- 
>> discuss at cagreens.org
>> Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 4:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
>>
>> Ah, well.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been  
>> on this
>>
>> list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy  
>> organization with
>>
>> an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
>>
>>
>>
>> . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave you
>>
>> "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your  
>> past
>>
>> decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those  
>> decisions have
>>
>> made things here in the cornbelt.
>>
>>
>>
>> Solidarity!
>>
>> Mark L.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----End Original Message-----
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This situation is precisely why I was originally so excited about  
>> the Green Commons Web Site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since we are totally ignored by the mainstream media, it is almost  
>> impossible
>>
>> to know about Green activity around the country or even around the  
>> State.  I used to
>>
>> live in Northern California, but my wife and I recently moved to  
>> Los Angeles.  I follow
>>
>> sosfbay-discuss because I am interested, I personally know many of  
>> the people, and I we get
>>
>> nothing from the Los Angeles MSM about what goes on among Bay Area  
>> Greens.
>>
>>
>>
>> Furthermore, if an individual Green is successful, then that  
>> person is seen as even
>>
>> more threatening to the status quo, and therefore, more likely to  
>> be blackballed by the
>>
>> MSM.  Thus, for example, when Gayle McLaughlin was elected Mayor  
>> of Richmond, that
>>
>> should have been a big, statewide story.  Instead, the MSM buried  
>> it.  As I write this the
>>
>> City of Los Angeles is struggling (yet, again) to deal with new  
>> wave of gang violence.  Alas,
>>
>> it is unthinkable that the good-for-nothing MSM would even mention  
>> that McLaughlin is dealing
>>
>> with these very issues in Richmond or that Donna Warren has  
>> literally been on the front lines
>>
>> in this particular battle right in inner-city LA for many years.  
>> The Los Angeles Times
>>
>> dutifuly reported the current troubles of San Fransisco Democratic  
>> Mayor Gavin Newsome,
>>
>> but of course, they never mention that the good people of San  
>> Francisco had a superior alternative
>>
>> when they elected San Francisco's "Little Bill Clinton" back in 2003.
>>
>>
>>
>> As an African-American I have been dying to get input about what  
>> works and what doesn't work
>>
>> for Greens organizing in so-called minority communities.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have had a nice exchange of views with one sister in Los Angeles  
>> about Barack Obama.  I
>>
>> received an e-mail from KCM Curry touting her own candidacy, but  
>> otherwise I'm getting nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> In 2004 a tremendous amount of time and effort went into  
>> certifying the Green Party Black Caucus.
>>
>> Members of the GPBC went to the national convention and gave a  
>> nice presentation.  There were the
>>
>> familiar charges and counter-charges of racism. Almost every day  
>> somebody would post that
>>
>> Green Party was hopelessly "racist."  And almost every day I  
>> replied with a post that said:
>>
>> "Compared to what?"
>>
>>
>>
>> Despite all this, fights over Nader vs Cobb, a silly dispute with  
>> the Lavender Greens, and an even
>>
>> sillier objection to a Black Latina joining the group (BTW, I am  
>> proud to say that when the matter
>>
>> finally came to a vote, the group voted overwhelmingly to accept  
>> the Latina sister),
>>
>> the Green Party Black Caucus was duly certified and Michelle  
>> Tingling-Simmons elected chair.
>>
>>
>>
>> Guess what?
>>
>>
>>
>> It almost immediately fell apart!
>>
>>
>>
>> I have seen this sort of thing in other organizations before and  
>> it's one of the reasons why I am
>>
>> one of the very few "minority" activists nowadays who does not  
>> believe in "minority" caucuses.
>>
>> Despite the best intentions of the best people involved in these  
>> efforts, they almost always end up
>>
>> being both divisive and a waste of money, energy, and time.  This  
>> "caucuses" model is a throwback
>>
>> to the '40s, '50s, and '60s when old white men in smoke-filled  
>> rooms in the Democratic Party and
>>
>> in the AFL-CIO allowed... grudgingly... a few "minorites" to  
>> participate.  It is just my eccentric
>>
>> personal opinion, but I think this is part of the Democratic- 
>> Repubican legacy that Greens would discard.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I digress.
>>
>>
>>
>> My point in relating this story is that some mechanism needs to be  
>> in place to allow an exchange
>>
>> of ideas, techniques, and experiences among far-flung Greens.   
>> When the Green Party Black Caucus
>>
>> was active, I read posts by couple of well-informed members of the  
>> Illinois Green Party
>>
>> about a certain Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama.  I'd  
>> love to know what these brothers
>>
>> think today but I've lost those contacts.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the posts to sosfbay-discuss asked the fellow from Ohio  
>> whatever happened to all the Green
>>
>> activity right after the 2004 elections in Ohio?  Good question.   
>> I would really like to know. Ohio
>>
>> happens to be one of the states where we could surely use some  
>> hard-hitting Black Greens.  I mean,
>>
>> the Black Republican Kenneth Blackwell was the one who  
>> masterminded the stolen election, and the
>>
>> clueless, weak Black Democrats around Cleveland were the ones who  
>> let the "Brotha" get away with
>>
>> it.  And working-class Cleveland is the base for none other than  
>> Dennis Kucinich.  By now Cleveland
>>
>> should be ripe for revolution!
>>
>>
>>
>> Comes now, from out of nowhere, Elaine Brown declaring her  
>> candidacy for president.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know she ran as Green Party candidate for mayor of a city in  
>> Georgia.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know her history in the Black Panther Party in California (and  
>> most of what I know is not good).
>>
>>
>>
>> Now she wants the Green Party to nominate her for President of the  
>> United States?
>>
>>
>>
>> For PRESIDENT?
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess it falls on me, the Black guy, to say out loud what some  
>> may be thinking privately. Are
>>
>> Greens in Ohio and Oregon and Montana and in the Central Valley of  
>> California going to go tabling
>>
>> at their local farmer's market and say:
>>
>>
>>
>> "Here's our Black Panther Green Party candidate FOR PRESIDENT!" ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rhetoric aside, what do any of us really know about this candidate?
>>
>>
>>
>> We need to know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's  
>> free from AOL at AOL.com.
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
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From approximateman at adelphia.net  Wed Mar  7 17:35:49 2007
From: approximateman at adelphia.net (Matthew Leslie)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:35:49 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-CCWG] I am now a Sunnyvale Housing and
	Human Services Commissioner
In-Reply-To: <219751.35509.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <219751.35509.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2F6E0611-3AAE-4601-800E-6AFC30286008@adelphia.net>

Congratulations Drew!  Everyone I know who has been elected to a city  
council has shown their commitment to their respective cities first  
by serving on boards and commissions like the one to which you have  
just been appointed.  Housing and Human Services sounds like a great  
place for Green work.

Matt Leslie
Orange Co.


On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:15 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Fellow Greens,
>
> Greetings from Sunnyvale, California, "The Heart of Silicon Valley"
> http://www.sunnyvale.ca.gov/
>
> Last night the Sunnyvale City Council appointed me to the Sunnyvale
> Housing and Human Services Commission!!!  So the HHS Commission works
> on such issues as making sure that Housing and Human Services are
> avalaible for all folks of all cultures, ages and lifestyles in
> Sunnyvale. And by the way much of the effort that goes into covering
> these needs are by churches and other faith-based groups. Here's the
> blurb about HHS on the web page:
>
> Information:
> The Housing and Human Services Commission advises the City Council on
> existing and potential programs, policies, and other issues regarding
> housing and human services in Sunnyvale. In addition, it advises the
> Council on City funding of outside groups and reviews Housing  
> Community
> Development Block Grant programs and priorities.
> The 9 member advisory committee meets on the 4th Wednesday of each
> month at 7 p.m. in the West Conference Room of City Hall. Applicants
> should have knowledge of or demonstrated interest in Sunnyvale's
> housing and socio-economic problems.
>
> And here's the web page for more info:
> http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/City+Council/Boards+and+Commissions/Housing/
>
> So if you've noted something about Sunnyvale Housing
> and Human Services you want to address I'm your guy. :-)
>
> Drew
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 01:02:07 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:02:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <AD767145-0DD7-4839-AACA-31094C238BBC@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <124417.63889.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh my God people!  Give it a rest and give me a break!  It's a very
basic principle of Greens that we believe in local autonomy.  As a
County Council member I'll not stand by silently when someone (who
didn't even initially tell us where he was from) persists in bombing
our e-list with their outsider opinion.  No I won't stand for it.  Its
not right and its not happening here.  However I will take full credit
(as I've not been given by these critics) for coming up with an
eminently practical solution that allows us Greens to mutually support
each other across the country even though we are not in the same
locality - e-lists for CountyDev at Greens.org and Candidates at Greens.org .
 Not only have I come up with these original and practical alternatives
I will carry them out and run the lists.  So rather than throwing
stones my way for doing my job as a County Council member in upholding
Green values and protecting our County from undue outsider lobbying, I
suggest joining in making these new lists flourish, and useful.

Green means Go!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> I wasn't going to say any more than I had when I gave Tian's comment 
> 
> concerning Drew's admonishment of Mark an amen. However I hadn't  
> really read what Mark had posted at the time (I was working from most
>  
> recent posts to old). I'd assumed it was something at least a bit  
> invasive for Drew to make the comment he did.(though I still didn't  
> agree with it). After having read the whole thread, I'm embarrassed  
> for us that we had such a thoughtful person as Mark asked to refrain 
> 
> from commenting on "our" list. The only way we will ever make it on  
> this planet is by inclusion and for a Green group to allow this to go
>  
> down on another with the only comment being in the vein of "let's not
>  
> fight amongst each other"  is inexcusable.
> 
> Mark is CC'd on this email and I'm extending a personal apology and a
>  
> request that he please rejoin this list.
> 
> So here goes.
> 
> Mark. I'm really sorry for what transpired when you expressed your  
> opinion concerning Nader and the relevance (or not) of the 2004 Green
>  
> candidates. Having input from others from a possibly diverse  
> geopolitical point of view can only strengthen us all, as individuals
>  
> and as a group. Please consider rejoining the Sosfbay Discussion
> list.
> 
> If other fell as I do (and I know there are more than a few) I'd hope
>  
> they'd make their feelings known on this.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part 
> 
> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and  
> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical  
> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for 
> 
> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
>  
> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this  
> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living  
> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
> 
> Albert Einstein
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Andrea Dorey wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, man, what are YOU doing here, you la-la land emigre???   ;-
> ))
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:14 AM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Friends,
> >>
> >> A question has come up on the South San Francisco Bay Green list  
> >> about the participation of a Green activist from Ohio.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Begin Original Message-----
> >> From: MLause at cinci.rr.com
> >> To: jamboi at yahoo.com; tnharter at ispwest.com; sosfbay- 
> >> discuss at cagreens.org
> >> Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 4:55 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
> >>
> >> Ah, well.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been
>  
> >> on this
> >>
> >> list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy  
> >> organization with
> >>
> >> an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> . . .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave
> you
> >>
> >> "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your
>  
> >> past
> >>
> >> decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those  
> >> decisions have
> >>
> >> made things here in the cornbelt.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Solidarity!
> >>
> >> Mark L.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----End Original Message-----
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This situation is precisely why I was originally so excited about 
> 
> >> the Green Commons Web Site.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Since we are totally ignored by the mainstream media, it is almost
>  
> >> impossible
> >>
> >> to know about Green activity around the country or even around the
>  
> >> State.  I used to
> >>
> >> live in Northern California, but my wife and I recently moved to  
> >> Los Angeles.  I follow
> >>
> >> sosfbay-discuss because I am interested, I personally know many of
>  
> >> the people, and I we get
> >>
> >> nothing from the Los Angeles MSM about what goes on among Bay Area
>  
> >> Greens.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Furthermore, if an individual Green is successful, then that  
> >> person is seen as even
> >>
> >> more threatening to the status quo, and therefore, more likely to 
> 
> >> be blackballed by the
> >>
> >> MSM.  Thus, for example, when Gayle McLaughlin was elected Mayor  
> >> of Richmond, that
> >>
> >> should have been a big, statewide story.  Instead, the MSM buried 
> 
> >> it.  As I write this the
> >>
> >> City of Los Angeles is struggling (yet, again) to deal with new  
> >> wave of gang violence.  Alas,
> >>
> >> it is unthinkable that the good-for-nothing MSM would even mention
>  
> >> that McLaughlin is dealing
> >>
> >> with these very issues in Richmond or that Donna Warren has  
> >> literally been on the front lines
> >>
> >> in this particular battle right in inner-city LA for many years.  
> >> The Los Angeles Times
> >>
> >> dutifuly reported the current troubles of San Fransisco Democratic
>  
> >> Mayor Gavin Newsome,
> >>
> >> but of course, they never mention that the good people of San  
> >> Francisco had a superior alternative
> >>
> >> when they elected San Francisco's "Little Bill Clinton" back in
> 2003.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As an African-American I have been dying to get input about what  
> >> works and what doesn't work
> >>
> >> for Greens organizing in so-called minority communities.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have had a nice exchange of views with one sister in Los Angeles
>  
> >> about Barack Obama.  I
> >>
> >> received an e-mail from KCM Curry touting her own candidacy, but  
> >> otherwise I'm getting nothing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In 2004 a tremendous amount of time and effort went into  
> >> certifying the Green Party Black Caucus.
> >>
> >> Members of the GPBC went to the national convention and gave a  
> >> nice presentation.  There were the
> >>
> >> familiar charges and counter-charges of racism. Almost every day  
> >> somebody would post that
> >>
> >> Green Party was hopelessly "racist."  And almost every day I  
> >> replied with a post that said:
> >>
> >> "Compared to what?"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Despite all this, fights over Nader vs Cobb, a silly dispute with 
> 
> >> the Lavender Greens, and an even
> >>
> >> sillier objection to a Black Latina joining the group (BTW, I am  
> >> proud to say that when the matter
> >>
> >> finally came to a vote, the group voted overwhelmingly to accept  
> >> the Latina sister),
> >>
> >> the Green Party Black Caucus was duly certified and Michelle  
> >> Tingling-Simmons elected chair.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Guess what?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It almost immediately fell apart!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have seen this sort of thing in other organizations before and  
> >> it's one of the reasons why I am
> >>
> >> one of the very few "minority" activists nowadays who does not  
> >> believe in "minority" caucuses.
> >>
> >> Despite the best intentions of the best people involved in these  
> >> efforts, they almost always end up
> >>
> >> being both divisive and a waste of money, energy, and time.  This 
> 
> >> "caucuses" model is a throwback
> >>
> >> to the '40s, '50s, and '60s when old white men in smoke-filled  
> >> rooms in the Democratic Party and
> >>
> >> in the AFL-CIO allowed... grudgingly... a few "minorites" to  
> >> participate.  It is just my eccentric
> >>
> >> personal opinion, but I think this is part of the Democratic- 
> >> Repubican legacy that Greens would discard.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But I digress.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My point in relating this story is that some mechanism needs to be
>  
> >> in place to allow an exchange
> >>
> >> of ideas, techniques, and experiences among far-flung Greens.   
> >> When the Green Party Black Caucus
> >>
> >> was active, I read posts by couple of well-informed members of the
>  
> >> Illinois Green Party
> >>
> >> about a certain Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama.  I'd  
> >> love to know what these brothers
> >>
> >> think today but I've lost those contacts.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> One of the posts to sosfbay-discuss asked the fellow from Ohio  
> >> whatever happened to all the Green
> >>
> >> activity right after the 2004 elections in Ohio?  Good question.  
> 
> >> I would really like to know. Ohio
> >>
> >> happens to be one of the states where we could surely use some  
> >> hard-hitting Black Greens.  I mean,
> >>
> >> the Black Republican Kenneth Blackwell was the one who  
> >> masterminded the stolen election, and the
> >>
> >> clueless, weak Black Democrats around Cleveland were the ones who 
> 
> >> let the "Brotha" get away with
> >>
> >> it.  And working-class Cleveland is the base for none other than  
> >> Dennis Kucinich.  By now Cleveland
> >>
> >> should be ripe for revolution!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Comes now, from out of nowhere, Elaine Brown declaring her  
> >> candidacy for president.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know she ran as Green Party candidate for mayor of a city in  
> >> Georgia.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know her history in the Black Panther Party in California (and  
> >> most of what I know is not good).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Now she wants the Green Party to nominate her for President of the
>  
> >> United States?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> For PRESIDENT?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess it falls on me, the Black guy, to say out loud what some  
> >> may be thinking privately. Are
> >>
> >> Greens in Ohio and Oregon and Montana and in the Central Valley of
>  
> >> California going to go tabling
> >>
> >> at their local farmer's market and say:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Here's our Black Panther Green Party candidate FOR PRESIDENT!" ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rhetoric aside, what do any of us really know about this
> candidate?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We need to know.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's 
> 
> >> free from AOL at AOL.com.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 01:03:24 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:03:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-CCWG] I am now a Sunnyvale Housing and
	Human Services Commissioner
In-Reply-To: <2F6E0611-3AAE-4601-800E-6AFC30286008@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <681203.95468.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you sir!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Matthew Leslie <approximateman at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Congratulations Drew!  Everyone I know who has been elected to a city
>  
> council has shown their commitment to their respective cities first  
> by serving on boards and commissions like the one to which you have  
> just been appointed.  Housing and Human Services sounds like a great 
> 
> place for Green work.
> 
> Matt Leslie
> Orange Co.
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:15 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > Fellow Greens,
> >
> > Greetings from Sunnyvale, California, "The Heart of Silicon Valley"
> > http://www.sunnyvale.ca.gov/
> >
> > Last night the Sunnyvale City Council appointed me to the Sunnyvale
> > Housing and Human Services Commission!!!  So the HHS Commission
> works
> > on such issues as making sure that Housing and Human Services are
> > avalaible for all folks of all cultures, ages and lifestyles in
> > Sunnyvale. And by the way much of the effort that goes into
> covering
> > these needs are by churches and other faith-based groups. Here's
> the
> > blurb about HHS on the web page:
> >
> > Information:
> > The Housing and Human Services Commission advises the City Council
> on
> > existing and potential programs, policies, and other issues
> regarding
> > housing and human services in Sunnyvale. In addition, it advises
> the
> > Council on City funding of outside groups and reviews Housing  
> > Community
> > Development Block Grant programs and priorities.
> > The 9 member advisory committee meets on the 4th Wednesday of each
> > month at 7 p.m. in the West Conference Room of City Hall.
> Applicants
> > should have knowledge of or demonstrated interest in Sunnyvale's
> > housing and socio-economic problems.
> >
> > And here's the web page for more info:
> >
> http://sunnyvale.ca.gov/City+Council/Boards+and+Commissions/Housing/
> >
> > So if you've noted something about Sunnyvale Housing
> > and Human Services you want to address I'm your guy. :-)
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > ___________________
> >
> > JamBoi
> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> >
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> 
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> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 01:13:54 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:13:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <124417.63889.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <943408.43988.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh, and furthermore and most importantly if people actually read what I
wrote they'd note all I said was that I was 'concerned' about the
suddenly frequent posting from a non-local and all I was requesting was
that Mark would observe and not frequently post.  Mark himself
completely mistook my post and all by his lonesome drew some wild
conclusions about not being welcome to observe our list and he
voluntarily took himself off.

No I absolutely do NOT concur in inviting Mark back onto our local
list.  His frequent posting was unwelcome and his verbal grenades that
he tossed onto our list and then walked away make him completely
unwelcome. Can you not see the trouble he's already caused by his
uncalled for invasive and inflammatory remarks!!!  He's toxic.  Leave
him be and drop this whole line.  We have much too much LOCAL work to
do to be WASTING TIME with this BULLSHIT.

Green means GO!

Drew


--- JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oh my God people!  Give it a rest and give me a break!  It's a very
> basic principle of Greens that we believe in local autonomy.  As a
> County Council member I'll not stand by silently when someone (who
> didn't even initially tell us where he was from) persists in bombing
> our e-list with their outsider opinion.  No I won't stand for it. 
> Its
> not right and its not happening here.  However I will take full
> credit
> (as I've not been given by these critics) for coming up with an
> eminently practical solution that allows us Greens to mutually
> support
> each other across the country even though we are not in the same
> locality - e-lists for CountyDev at Greens.org and Candidates at Greens.org
> .
>  Not only have I come up with these original and practical
> alternatives
> I will carry them out and run the lists.  So rather than throwing
> stones my way for doing my job as a County Council member in
> upholding
> Green values and protecting our County from undue outsider lobbying,
> I
> suggest joining in making these new lists flourish, and useful.
> 
> Green means Go!
> 
> Drew
> 
> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> 
> > I wasn't going to say any more than I had when I gave Tian's
> comment 
> > 
> > concerning Drew's admonishment of Mark an amen. However I hadn't  
> > really read what Mark had posted at the time (I was working from
> most
> >  
> > recent posts to old). I'd assumed it was something at least a bit  
> > invasive for Drew to make the comment he did.(though I still didn't
>  
> > agree with it). After having read the whole thread, I'm embarrassed
>  
> > for us that we had such a thoughtful person as Mark asked to
> refrain 
> > 
> > from commenting on "our" list. The only way we will ever make it on
>  
> > this planet is by inclusion and for a Green group to allow this to
> go
> >  
> > down on another with the only comment being in the vein of "let's
> not
> >  
> > fight amongst each other"  is inexcusable.
> > 
> > Mark is CC'd on this email and I'm extending a personal apology and
> a
> >  
> > request that he please rejoin this list.
> > 
> > So here goes.
> > 
> > Mark. I'm really sorry for what transpired when you expressed your 
> 
> > opinion concerning Nader and the relevance (or not) of the 2004
> Green
> >  
> > candidates. Having input from others from a possibly diverse  
> > geopolitical point of view can only strengthen us all, as
> individuals
> >  
> > and as a group. Please consider rejoining the Sosfbay Discussion
> > list.
> > 
> > If other fell as I do (and I know there are more than a few) I'd
> hope
> >  
> > they'd make their feelings known on this.
> > 
> > Peace
> > 
> > Duende
> > 
> > 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a
> part 
> > 
> > limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
>  
> > feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical 
> 
> > delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison
> for 
> > 
> > us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a
> few
> >  
> > persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this
>  
> > prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living  
> > creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
> > 
> > Albert Einstein
> > 
> > 
> > On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Andrea Dorey wrote:
> > 
> > > Yeah, man, what are YOU doing here, you la-la land emigre???   ;-
> > ))
> > > Andrea
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:14 AM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Friends,
> > >>
> > >> A question has come up on the South San Francisco Bay Green list
>  
> > >> about the participation of a Green activist from Ohio.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Begin Original Message-----
> > >> From: MLause at cinci.rr.com
> > >> To: jamboi at yahoo.com; tnharter at ispwest.com; sosfbay- 
> > >> discuss at cagreens.org
> > >> Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 4:55 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
> > >>
> > >> Ah, well.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have
> been
> >  
> > >> on this
> > >>
> > >> list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy  
> > >> organization with
> > >>
> > >> an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> . . .
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave
> > you
> > >>
> > >> "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good
> your
> >  
> > >> past
> > >>
> > >> decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those  
> > >> decisions have
> > >>
> > >> made things here in the cornbelt.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Solidarity!
> > >>
> > >> Mark L.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----End Original Message-----
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> This situation is precisely why I was originally so excited
> about 
> > 
> > >> the Green Commons Web Site.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Since we are totally ignored by the mainstream media, it is
> almost
> >  
> > >> impossible
> > >>
> > >> to know about Green activity around the country or even around
> the
> >  
> > >> State.  I used to
> > >>
> > >> live in Northern California, but my wife and I recently moved to
>  
> > >> Los Angeles.  I follow
> > >>
> > >> sosfbay-discuss because I am interested, I personally know many
> of
> >  
> > >> the people, and I we get
> > >>
> > >> nothing from the Los Angeles MSM about what goes on among Bay
> Area
> >  
> > >> Greens.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Furthermore, if an individual Green is successful, then that  
> > >> person is seen as even
> > >>
> > >> more threatening to the status quo, and therefore, more likely
> to 
> > 
> > >> be blackballed by the
> > >>
> > >> MSM.  Thus, for example, when Gayle McLaughlin was elected Mayor
>  
> > >> of Richmond, that
> > >>
> > >> should have been a big, statewide story.  Instead, the MSM
> buried 
> > 
> > >> it.  As I write this the
> > >>
> > >> City of Los Angeles is struggling (yet, again) to deal with new 
> 
> > >> wave of gang violence.  Alas,
> > >>
> > >> it is unthinkable that the good-for-nothing MSM would even
> mention
> >  
> > >> that McLaughlin is dealing
> > >>
> > >> with these very issues in Richmond or that Donna Warren has  
> > >> literally been on the front lines
> > >>
> > >> in this particular battle right in inner-city LA for many years.
>  
> > >> The Los Angeles Times
> > >>
> > >> dutifuly reported the current troubles of San Fransisco
> Democratic
> >  
> > >> Mayor Gavin Newsome,
> > >>
> > >> but of course, they never mention that the good people of San  
> > >> Francisco had a superior alternative
> > >>
> > >> when they elected San Francisco's "Little Bill Clinton" back in
> > 2003.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> As an African-American I have been dying to get input about what
>  
> > >> works and what doesn't work
> > >>
> > >> for Greens organizing in so-called minority communities.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I have had a nice exchange of views with one sister in Los
> Angeles
> >  
> > >> about Barack Obama.  I
> > >>
> > >> received an e-mail from KCM Curry touting her own candidacy, but
>  
> > >> otherwise I'm getting nothing.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In 2004 a tremendous amount of time and effort went into  
> > >> certifying the Green Party Black Caucus.
> > >>
> > >> Members of the GPBC went to the national convention and gave a  
> > >> nice presentation.  There were the
> > >>
> > >> familiar charges and counter-charges of racism. Almost every day
>  
> > >> somebody would post that
> > >>
> > >> Green Party was hopelessly "racist."  And almost every day I  
> > >> replied with a post that said:
> > >>
> > >> "Compared to what?"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Despite all this, fights over Nader vs Cobb, a silly dispute
> with 
> > 
> > >> the Lavender Greens, and an even
> > >>
> > >> sillier objection to a Black Latina joining the group (BTW, I am
>  
> > >> proud to say that when the matter
> > >>
> > >> finally came to a vote, the group voted overwhelmingly to accept
>  
> > >> the Latina sister),
> > >>
> > >> the Green Party Black Caucus was duly certified and Michelle  
> > >> Tingling-Simmons elected chair.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Guess what?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It almost immediately fell apart!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I have seen this sort of thing in other organizations before and
>  
> > >> it's one of the reasons why I am
> > >>
> > >> one of the very few "minority" activists nowadays who does not  
> > >> believe in "minority" caucuses.
> > >>
> > >> Despite the best intentions of the best people involved in these
>  
> > >> efforts, they almost always end up
> > >>
> > >> being both divisive and a waste of money, energy, and time. 
> This 
> > 
> > >> "caucuses" model is a throwback
> > >>
> > >> to the '40s, '50s, and '60s when old white men in smoke-filled  
> > >> rooms in the Democratic Party and
> > >>
> > >> in the AFL-CIO allowed... grudgingly... a few "minorites" to  
> > >> participate.  It is just my eccentric
> > >>
> > >> personal opinion, but I think this is part of the Democratic- 
> > >> Repubican legacy that Greens would discard.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> But I digress.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> My point in relating this story is that some mechanism needs to
> be
> >  
> > >> in place to allow an exchange
> > >>
> > >> of ideas, techniques, and experiences among far-flung Greens.   
> > >> When the Green Party Black Caucus
> > >>
> > >> was active, I read posts by couple of well-informed members of
> the
> >  
> > >> Illinois Green Party
> > >>
> > >> about a certain Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama.  I'd 
> 
> > >> love to know what these brothers
> > >>
> > >> think today but I've lost those contacts.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> One of the posts to sosfbay-discuss asked the fellow from Ohio  
> > >> whatever happened to all the Green
> > >>
> > >> activity right after the 2004 elections in Ohio?  Good question.
>  
> > 
> > >> I would really like to know. Ohio
> > >>
> > >> happens to be one of the states where we could surely use some  
> > >> hard-hitting Black Greens.  I mean,
> > >>
> > >> the Black Republican Kenneth Blackwell was the one who  
> > >> masterminded the stolen election, and the
> > >>
> > >> clueless, weak Black Democrats around Cleveland were the ones
> who 
> > 
> > >> let the "Brotha" get away with
> > >>
> > >> it.  And working-class Cleveland is the base for none other than
>  
> > >> Dennis Kucinich.  By now Cleveland
> > >>
> > >> should be ripe for revolution!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Comes now, from out of nowhere, Elaine Brown declaring her  
> > >> candidacy for president.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I know she ran as Green Party candidate for mayor of a city in  
> > >> Georgia.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I know her history in the Black Panther Party in California (and
>  
> > >> most of what I know is not good).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Now she wants the Green Party to nominate her for President of
> the
> >  
> > >> United States?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> For PRESIDENT?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I guess it falls on me, the Black guy, to say out loud what some
>  
> > >> may be thinking privately. Are
> > >>
> > >> Greens in Ohio and Oregon and Montana and in the Central Valley
> of
> >  
> > >> California going to go tabling
> > >>
> > >> at their local farmer's market and say:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Here's our Black Panther Green Party candidate FOR PRESIDENT!"
> ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Rhetoric aside, what do any of us really know about this
> > candidate?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> We need to know.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about
> what's 
> > 
> > >> free from AOL at AOL.com.
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> > >
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> > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> > 
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> > 
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 01:16:22 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:16:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <0F318A6B-EE33-4C73-A659-C60B8EBD0386@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <950130.11543.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>

Oooh!  I especially like your idea Andie of discussion groups for
post-movie viewing dinner fellowship!  

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> I sent an email to camera12 enquiring about times;
> I also called Ron Regalia, the office manager, at his office  
> 408-998-3022 x10;
> and from that I obtained his cell phone and called that 408-786-7323.
> No contact yet, but left messages that asked if any times had been  
> set yet, and thanked them for showing the movie.
> 
> We could start a flurry right now just by queries and by letting them
>  
> know that each of us is from a group that wants to go as a group.
> So if you call the general number first to leave a message to that  
> effect first, you will give the impression that they are going to be 
> 
> swamped!!!
> Good luck, all.
> And thanks for taking this up.
> 
> Even is Nader isn't your favorite politician (for whatever reason), I
>  
> think this movie is going to be very interesting!
> I'm in favor of setting a group date and time and then set another  
> for those who couldn't go to the first one.
> Maybe a discussion group to compare notes over dinner?  Lunch?
> Andrea
> 
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:14 PM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > So it opens on Friday March 16th, and the Camera 12 downtown SJ web
> > site (details about the movie from their web site below) do not  
> > state a
> > time yet.  Could someone call them and see if they have a time set?
> >
> > As regards the 16th that might not be my first choice because we
> have
> > our weekly Friday night impeachment vigil happening at 5:30-7 and
> on
> > the 16th Christian Witness for Peace  will have a special service
> over
> > at Sunnyvale Presbyterian in honor of the third anniversary of the
> > martyrdom of Rachel Corrie who was killed in Gaza Palestine by an
> > Israeli bulldozer driver.
> >
> >         Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition's Weekly Impeachment  
> > Vigil
> >         5:30-7P
> >         Location: Castro and El Camino
> >
> >         Christian Witness for Peace
> >   	Time: Friday, March 16, 2007   @  7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
> >   	Location: Sunnyvale Presbyterian,
> >         728 W. Fremont Ave, Sunnyvale CA 94087, Building 300
> >         Phone: 408/739-1892
> >
> >         	
> > Coming Soon
> > An Unreasonable Man
> > Opens 3/16/2007
> > Coming to:	  	Camera 12 Downtown
> >
> > Director: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan
> >
> > Synopsis: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan trace the life of
> career
> > of famed consumer advocate Ralph Nader, from the General Motors
> smear
> > campaign that launched his fame in 1966, to the 2000 presidential
> > election, where his independent candidacy was blamed by many for
> > putting George W. Bush in the White House. Without ever holding
> public
> > office, Nader has built a legislative record that is the rival of
> any
> > contemporary president, having been responsible for such  
> > innovations as
> > seat belts, airbags and product labeling. "Thoughtful and smoothly
> > edited, this is an absorbing chronicle of an extraordinary
> > career."--Variety.
> >
> > Running Time: 122 Minutes
> > (plus 8-10 minutes of trailers)
> >
> > Official Web Site:
> > http://www.anunreasonableman.com/
> >
> > MPAA Rating: NR
> >
> > No Free Passes, But Discount Cards O.K.
> > Reviews: Smooth and Balanced Profile
> >
> > By Sura Wood
> >
> > PARK CITY -- A heroic crusader to some and the spoiler who betrayed
>  
> > the
> > Democratic Party to others, Ralph Nader emerges as a dedicated,
> > controversial and flawed figure in the documentary, "An
> Unreasonable
> > Man."
> >
> > Filmmakers Henriette Mantel, who once worked for Nader, and Steve
> > Skrovan, smoothly integrate reams of material, dozens of insightful
> > interviews as well as archival news footage and, without the use of
> a
> > narrator, present a coherent, balanced picture of a lightning rod
> in
> > the political arena.
> >
> > The film starts in 1966 when Nader is launched to prominence after
> he
> > riles General Motors with his attacks on car safety. He accused the
> > automobile industry of selling "psychosexual dreamboats."
> >
> > Mantel and Skrovan showcase Nader's tireless, forceful advocacy for
>  
> > the
> > rights of the little guy and his own causes, which ranged from
> > transportation safety to drug labeling and clean air. He fought the
>  
> > big
> > boys and usually won. The list of organizations he founded or  
> > sponsored
> > and the legislation he was instrumental in passing are impressive.
> >
> > There are nagging questions about Nader's personal life -- by all
> > accounts he doesn't have one -- and they aren't addressed till  
> > later in
> > the film. Even then, little time is spent on the subject.
> Colleagues
> > say he's married to his work, driven by a sense of injustice and a
> > "never give up, never give in" ethos, a form of absolutism that has
> > made him difficult to work for and harder to leave. Former
> employees
> > say he was hostile to anyone who stopped working for him.
> >
> > The film primarily focuses on how and why Nader's bid for the
> > presidency in 2000 antagonized even his most ardent admirers. Many
> > interviewed here are still angry.
> >
> > What makes this doc so successful is the willingness to present a
> wide
> > variety of opinions of Nader, a man who inspires intense emotions
> on
> > both sides of the aisle. Todd Gitlin, Dean of the Columbia
> Journalism
> > School, makes an impassioned case against Nader's misstep in 2000
> and
> > again in 2004. Of the former Nader's Raiders, some kept the faith; 
> 
> > some
> > are disillusioned, even bitter. There's a bit of levity, too. James
> > Fallows recalls Nader's attack on hot dogs, which were labeled
> > "missiles of death.' Clips from a "Saturday Night Live" show that  
> > Nader
> > hosted are, for lack of a better word, surprising.
> >
> > Editors Alexis Provost and Beth Gallagher cut back and forth
> between
> > the talking heads so deftly that you have the illusion that Nader
> is
> > answering his critics in real time in a very lively debate.
> >
> > Copyright 2007 Hollywood Reporter
> >
> >
> > Thoughtful Chronicle of Extraordinary Man
> >
> > By Dennis Harvey
> >
> > Crusading consumer advocate Ralph Nader's extraordinary career --
> and
> > the recent Presidential campaigns that cast a pall over it -- are
> > thoughtfully chronicled in "An Unreasonable Man." A basically
> admiring
> > if critical portrait, docu by Henriette Mantel and Stephen Skrovan
> > (strangely, both standup comics and TV comedy writer-producers)
> finds
> > more than enough absorbing material to hold interest through nearly
> > three-hour runtime. Straightforward PBS-style effort will be most
> at
> > home on the small screen.
> >
> > Hewing mostly to a chronological structure, pic at first jumps  
> > around a
> > bit, glimpsing Nader's controversial last few years, skipping back
> to
> > his first whistle-blowing triumphs in the early- to mid-1960s, then
> > rewinding all the way to his small-town Connecticut upbringing
> under
> > the wing of a father who imbued his children with the
> problem-solving,
> > community-minded assurance that "you can fight City Hall."
> Resulting
> > activist strain was visible in Ralph early on.
> >
> > After graduating from Harvard Law School, a friend's near-fatal car
> > wreck led him toward investigation of the U.S. auto industry. Nader
> > recognized that cost-cutting design flaws and lack of safety
> equipment
> > were the true culprit in many traffic accidents. When his book
> "Unsafe
> > at Any Speed" came out in 1965, it caused a public furor that had
> > immediate effect, drastically improvingauto safety.
> >
> > Hoping to discredit him, General Motors had Nader spied on and
> > harassed, even trying sexual entrapment. (Unfortunately for them,  
> > Nader
> > is a workaholic whose love life remains a mystery -- if it exists
> at
> > all -- to even his closest allies.) A subsequent $425,000
> > invasion-of-privacy settlement ironically provided him seed money
> for
> > even more sweeping investigations of corporate and governmental
> > malfeasance.
> >
> > While Nader's accomplishments are many, his is a personality that  
> > turns
> > away personal glory while tempting accusations of megalomania. Many
> > collegiate "Nader's Raiders" who cut their teeth under his
> leadership
> > then moved on to public office felt the sting of his criticism when
> > their attempts to stir positive change within the compromise-driven
> > cronyism of D.C. politics failed to meet his exacting standards.
> >
> > Feeling the two-party system had turned into a one-sided monopoly,
> > Nader ran for president in 1996, 2000 and 2004. When Al Gore lost
> to
> > George W. Bush in the bitterly contested 2000 election, much rage
> was
> > directed toward Nader for "stealing" votes that might otherwise
> have
> > gone to the Demos. Four years later, when Nader ran again, few  
> > liberals
> > still bought his notion that changing the overall party system
> trumped
> > choosing the lesser evil.
> >
> > While the overall portrait is of a man whose unbending sense of
> moral
> > imperative can be both admirable and exasperating, the filmmakers
> > clearly hope Nader's rep and accomplishments can re-emerge from the
> > ill-will his political campaigns have generated. (Co-helmer Mantel
> > worked with Nader in the late 1970s.)
> >
> > Mix of archival footage and contemporary interviews is given a
> smooth
> > editorial shape; other contribs are pro if undistinguished.
> >
> > Copyright 2006 Variety
> >
> >
> > --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I want to go ASAP in this area.  Which means Friday, March 16th.
> >>
> >> NOTE: Remember the anti war rally is March 17th.
> >>
> >> And for those who may want to inform others of where the movie
> >> is showing, around the United States:
> >>
> >>      http://www.anunreasonableman.com/calendar.cfm
> >>
> >> I am somewhat unhappy that it seems to be showing in not very
> >> many places.  We should encourage as many as possible to see
> >> it as soon as possible, so that might encourage others to go
> >> see it and other theatres to show it.
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrea Dorey wrote:
> >>
> >>> We're fools if we don't support this.
> >>>
> >>> If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are divided
> so
> >>
> >>> badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do anything
> >>> important or at the national level because we can't do teamwork.
> >>>
> >>> This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided we
> >> fall"?
> >>> An old truth.
> >>>
> >>> Andrea
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
> >>>>
> >>>> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org
> >> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us
> >>>> <mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>>, "Cameron Spitzer"
> <cls at greens.org
> >>
> >>>> <mailto:cls at greens.org>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March 16
> at
> >>
> >>>> Camera 12 Cinemas <http://www.cameracinemas.com/index.shtml>,
> >> located
> >>>> at 201 South Second Street. Show times and advanced tickets are
> >>>> available online
> >>>> <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi?cmd=bt&f=c12>or
> >> by
> >>>> phone at 408-998-3300.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org
> >>>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>     San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to
> San
> >>>>     Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose, right
> >> next
> >>>>     to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
> >>>>
> >>>>     One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of third
> >>>>     parties is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have a
> >> young
> >>>>     computer guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis
> >> I've
> >>>>     ever heard of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000. 
> I'm
> >> sure
> >>>>     there are other voices out there who would concur with such
> an
> >>>>     analysis for that election and others.  Maybe you folks
> could
> >> get
> >>>>     together and design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk the
> >> idea
> >>>>     (over and over again) better than Nader!  It would free the
> >> Green
> >>>>     Party (and Nader himself)  from lingering animosity.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     Andrea Dorey
> >>>>
> >>>>     (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>     On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>     Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     You are invited to the California showings of the new Ralph
> >> Nader
> >>>>>     documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader
> >> during
> >>>>>     the California tour for his new book The Seventeen
> >> Traditions.
> >>>>>     See schedule below.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more
> than
> >>>>>     forty on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of
> one
> >> of
> >>>>>     the most unique, important, and controversial political
> >> figures
> >>>>>     of the past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has
> >> garnered
> >>>>>     wide critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's
> harshest
> >>>>>     critics and most eloquent supporters to create a compelling
> >> and
> >>>>>     inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our
> >> times.
> >>>>>     Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are
> >>>>>     available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com
> >>>>>     <http://www.anunreasonableman.com/>. See below for how to
> >> help
> >>>>>     promote the film.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     The Seventeen Traditions
> >> <http://www.seventeentraditions.com/> is
> >>>>>     an unexpected and extraordinary book by Ralph Nader that
> >> looks
> >>>>>     back to the earliest days of his life, to his serene and
> >>>>>     enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted, Connecticut. From
> >>>>>     listening to learning, from patriotism to argument, Nader
> >>>>>     revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from his
> >> parents,
> >>>>>     his siblings, and the people in his community, and draws
> from
> >>>>>     them inspiring lessons for today's society.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday,
> >>>>>     February 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272
> >> Santa
> >>>>>     Monica Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be three
> >>>>>     showings daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm
> weekend
> >>>>>     matinee. On Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A
> >>>>>     following the 4:30 and 7:15 showings, and introduce the
> 9:55
> >> show
> >>>>>     on Friday only. Tickets are available at the Landmark Nuart
> >>>>>
> >>
> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/LosAngeles/NuartTheatre.htm>,
> >>>>>     or by phone at 310-281-8223.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following
> >> premiere
> >>>>>     dates:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         * Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado
> >>>>>           <http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9>.
> >>>>>         * San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere
> Theater
> >>>>>
> >>
> > <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFrancisco/ 
> > LumiereTheatre.htm>.
> >>>>>         * Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck
> >>>>>
> >>
> > <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFranciscoEastBay/ 
> > ShattuckCinemas.htm>.
> >>>>>         * Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater
> >>>>>           <http://www.thenick.com/>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the
> >>>>>     following stops:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         * Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood
> >> Bookstore
> >>>>>           <http://www.duttonsbrentwood.com/> in Los Angeles.
> >>>>>         * Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble
> >>>>>
> >>
> > <http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com/ 
> >
>
storedetail.do;jsessionid=1DAE157FD82CCA89106D112D95212F6F?store=2583>
> >>>>>           in Encino.
> >>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club
> >>>>>           <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/index.php> in San
> >> Francisco.
> >>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University
> >>>>>
> >>
> > <http://www.dominican.edu/events/lectures_ics/2007-aacmpy-1585586/ 
> > index.html>
> >>>>>           in San Rafael.
> >>>>>         * Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc
> >>>>>
> >>
> > <http://www.booksinc.net/NASApp/store/IndexJsp? 
> > page=266537&s=storeinfo&>.
> >>>>>           at 601 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     How to help:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need
> >> many
> >>>>>     committed volunteers to make it successful by:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     * Phone banking potential movie-goers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     * Selling tickets to your friends
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Can you help us out?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at
> Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com
> >>>>>     <mailto:Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     PLEASE Forward Widely
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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> 
> > --
> >>>
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> >
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 01:23:20 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:23:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be
	the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand
	up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."]
In-Reply-To: <60F3FB95-5533-49B9-8228-D59CA4792941@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <105779.21480.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh now!  We are no where near ANY DANGER of 'making the party more
important than democracy'!  Hell, half the time Greens won't even self
identify!  Witness how Carol talks about 'you Greens' after she ran as
a Green for congress!!! But she's not alone, I here this stunning party
denial ALL THE TIME!!!

Green and Proud of it!  Green, Loud and Proud!

Drew


--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> One thing we need to remember is: making the party more important  
> than the democracy has been the mistake of the two Majors.  I hope we
>  
> Greens won't go there.
> Andrea
> 
> On Feb 28, 2007, at 3:50 PM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > I agree with her that Nader's importance goes completely
> unrecognized
> > (except by Naderites and Greens whom she seems to forget entirely).
> > Doesn't change the fact that Nader will likely run as an
> independent
> > and will not run as a Green in 2008.  More power to him, but I'm
> very
> > pleased that the Green Party is  past the Nader Era.  Now we are
> onto
> > people who will actually build up the Green Party and make us a
> viable
> > force.
> >
> > Green solidarity!
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > --- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I am forwarding Lorna Salzman's comments regarding the Chris
> Hedges
> >> piece on Nader that has been referenced several times recently.
> >> Whether
> >> you agree with Lorna on everything, and I certainly do not, her
> >> comments
> >> here are worth reading and her passion is undeniable.
> >> __ Lorn'a note follows __
> >>
> >> Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance of
> >> Ralph
> >> Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have
> done
> >> is
> >> reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal to
> >> address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his
> >> forty-year
> >> career. In this respect they are representatives of the Democratic
> >> Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been to
> >> indulge
> >> in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation that
> >> Nader
> >> has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is
> the
> >> last
> >> refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals.
> >>
> >> Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter of
> >> corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party and
> its
> >>
> >> apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations can
> deny
> >>
> >> this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important but
> >> diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue to
> >> deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not
> one
> >> of
> >> them has come up with a single example of the Democratic Party's
> >> vaunted
> >> progressivism and achievements. For those with short memories,
> Hedges
> >>
> >> reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it would easily
> fit
> >> onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon, Clinton
> was
> >> a
> >> neo-con.
> >>
> >> We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of us
> who
> >> distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and the
> >> character of American culture and politics, and those who have
> meekly
> >>
> >> accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has
> stepped
> >> into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme
> left,
> >> whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the capitalist
> >> system
> >> they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has been
> >> articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by some
> >> environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and
> >> occasionally
> >> some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups like
> blacks
> >> and
> >> Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive principled movement
> >> combining the best of these has not been attempted, at least not
> yet.
> >>
> >> These movements talk past one another, out of competition and
> >> compulsive
> >> ideologies that they as yet refuse to abandon.
> >>
> >> The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed
> above,
> >>
> >> have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism,
> materialism,
> >>
> >> growth, development, all of which are not only ecologically
> >> disastrous
> >> but which fit neatly into the plan of corporations. Black
> Americans,
> >> for
> >> the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; they don't want to
> >> break
> >> the golden egg laid by the capitalist goose. Their major
> >> accomplishment
> >> has been to persuade non-blacks and paleoliberals that the biggest
> >> problems facing America are racism and poverty.
> >>
> >> Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it? But
> isnt
> >> it
> >> dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the American
> >> dream
> >> of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth that has
> DEPRIVED
> >> so
> >> many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it
> >> obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and Democrats to
> >> confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and
> >> anti-environmental character of American society has contributed
> to
> >> poverty and racial/economic injustice?
> >>
> >> How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to
> >> liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which is
> >> amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And
> >> that
> >> only a full frontal attack on the system, including its electoral
> >> configuration, will address the problem? This is at the heart of
> the
> >> problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and economic
> >> injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of the
> >> SUCCESS
> >> of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not out of its
> >> FAILURE.
> >>
> >> Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the most
> >> prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the
> usual
> >> leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity
> Politics
> >>
> >> and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and
> the
> >> present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that in
> >> 2000,
> >> Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green
> Party
> >> line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most
> >> exaggerated
> >> count, three hundred thousand members, this means that over 2 1/2
> >> million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were non-greens;
> they
> >> were
> >> Democrats, Republicans, independents, conservatives, and
> >> libertarians.
> >> They were that potential green constituency that lay out there,
> ripe
> >> for
> >> the picking, which the Green Party then, in alarm and panic,
> realized
> >>
> >> could be the future decision-making body in the party. Horror of
> >> horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the
> >> paleoliberals,
> >> the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the
> infiltrators
> >>
> >> like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their positions
> of
> >> power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier?
> >>
> >> I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I
> understand
> >>
> >> their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted
> >> phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed
> >> themselves
> >> as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly progressive
> wash
> >> painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever
> propaganda
> >>
> >> that distracted people from the fundamental problems by focusing
> on
> >> their symptoms instead of their causes.
> >> And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear and
> >> exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that still
> >> doesn't make them right.
> >>
> >> Lorna Salzman
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >>
> >> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> >> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> >> Being willing is not enough;
> >> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> >> Wesley C. Rolley
> >> 17211 Quail Court
> >> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> >> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> >>
> >>> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:19:55 -0500
> >> To: esalzman at aba.org
> >> From: Lorna Salzman <lsalzman at rcn.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008:  "This may be the twilight of
> >> American
> >> 	democracy.  And it is better to stand up and fight, even in vain,
> >> than
> >> 	not to fight at all."
> >>
> >> Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted
> >> the importance of Ralph Nader's accomplishments
> >> or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have done is
> >> reveal their own failures and, worse, their
> >> continuing refusal to address the issues that
> >> Nader has raised in the course of his forty-year
> >> career. In this respect they are representatives
> >> of the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ
> >> small. Their only defense has been to indulge in
> >> personal attacks, with preference given to the
> >> accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does
> >> this mean? Absolutely nothing. It is the last
> >> refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals.
> >>
> >> Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by
> >> the perimeter of corporate control, is what
> >> distinguishes the Democratic Party and its
> >> apologists. No amount of distracting insults and
> >> accusations can deny this.  The Democrats, in
> >> which we include the self-important but
> >> diminutive pundits like  Gitlin, Moore and
> >> Alterman, continue to deliberately avoid
> >> discussing Nader's accusations and issues. Not
> >> one of them has come up with a single example of
> >> the  Democratic Party's vaunted progressivism and
> >> achievements. For those with short memories,
> >> Hedges reiterates the record of Bill Clinton
> >> below, and it would easily fit onto any
> >> traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon,
> >> Clinton was a neo-con.
> >>
> >> We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap
> >> between those of us who distrust and disagree
> >> with the abominable electoral system and the
> >> character of American culture and politics, and
> >> those who have meekly accepted it as the "best of
> >> all possible worlds". No one has stepped into
> >> this gap unless you include the brainless witless
> >> extreme left, whose praxis and objectives eerily
> >> mirror those of the capitalist system they
> >> profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary
> >> vision has been articulated (and then only
> >> partially and ineffectively) by some
> >> environmental leaders, decentralists,
> >> bioregionalists, and occasionally some honest
> >> libertarians (though not by minority groups like
> >> blacks and Hispanics). But the construction of a
> >> cohesive principled movement combining the best
> >> of these has not been attempted, at least not
> >> yet. These movements talk past one another, out
> >> of competition and compulsive ideologies that
> >> they as yet refuse to abandon.
> >>
> >> The fact is that most American movements, outside
> >> those listed above, have bought the American
> >> dream of excessive consumerism, materialism,
> >> growth, development, all of which are not only
> >> ecologically disastrous but which fit neatly into
> >> the plan of corporations. Black Americans, for
> >> the most part, just want a piece of the wealth;
> >> they don't want to break the golden egg laid by
> >> the capitalist goose. Their major accomplishment
> >> has been to persuade non-blacks and
> >> paleoliberals that the biggest problems facing
> >> America are racism and poverty.
> >>
> >> Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this,
> >> wouldnt it? But isnt it dumber to ignore the fact
> >> that it has been PRECISELY the American dream  of
> >> growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth
> >> that has DEPRIVED so many Americans of their
> >> health, jobs, wealth and dignity? Isn't it
> >> obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists
> >> and Democrats to confront the inequity,
> >> injustice, unsustainability and
> >> anti-environmental character of American society
> >> has contributed to poverty and  racial/economic
> >> injustice?
> >>
> >>   How can real progressives ever hope to explain
> >> this to liberals...explain that the system they
> >> trust and love, which is amenable to incremental
> >> but marginal reforms, IS the problem? And that
> >> only a full frontal attack on the system,
> >> including its electoral configuration, will
> >> address the problem? This is at the heart of the
> >> problem with the Democratic Party: that the
> >> social and economic injustices they traditionally
> >> abhorred grow directly out of the SUCCESS of the
> >> POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not
> >> out of its FAILURE.
> >>
> >> Of all the failed movements, the green
> >> movement/party is the most prominent and the most
> >> tragic, victim as it is of not just the usual
> >> leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads
> >> like Identity Politics and Political Correctness.
> >> What the enemies of Ralph Nader (and the present
> >> Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact
> >> that in 2000, Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE
> >> MILLION VOTES on the Green Party line. Given that
> >> the national P enrollment was, at the most
> >> exaggerated count, three hundred thousand
> >> members, this means that over 2 1/2 million
> >> Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were
> >> non-greens; they were Democrats, Republicans,
> >> independents, conservatives, and libertarians.
> >> They were that potential green constituency that
> >> lay out there, ripe for the picking, which the
> >> Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized
> >> could be the future decision-making body in the
> >> party. Horror of horrors! The Greens in Dem
> >> clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the
> >> self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore,
> >> the infiltrators like Medea Benjamin, all stood
> >> to be ousted from their positions of power
> >> by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier?
> >>
> >> I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader
> >> because I understand their fears. They have been
> >> revealed by Nader as chicken=hearted phonies,
> >> utter failures, and hypocrites. They have
> >> revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed
> >> liberalism, the faintly progressive wash painted
> >> over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by
> >> clever propaganda that distracted people from the
> >> fundamental problems by focusing on their
> >> symptoms instead of their causes.
> >> And when someone prominent and respected gets the
> >> public's ear and exposes their failures, why of
> >> course they get mad. But that still doesn't make
> >> them right.
> >>
> >> Lorna Salzman
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <mailto:mattfuniciello at earthlink.net>Matt Funiciello
> >> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:48 PM
> >> Subject: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the
> >> twilight of American democracy. And it is better
> >> to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to
> >> fight at all."
> >>
> >> Chris Hedges Says He'll Work For Nader in 2008!
> >>
> >> When the book, "War Is A Force That Gives Us
> >> Meaning" came out, intellectuals and peace
> >> activists alike flocked to it. It
> >> was intelligent, well-reasoned and written by a
> >> true craftsman with some truly horrific war
> >> stories to tell and a keen eye to analyze the
> >> costs for all concerned. Hedges says that he will
> >> work for Ralph Nader in 2008 if he runs again (he
> >> will). In Hedge's article, he talks about the
> >> corporate rape of our government and how Nader is
> >> one of the only national figures to recognize
> >> this and to speak openly about the corrupt
> >> corporate ownership of our nation. He notes that
> >> someone with Ralph's incredible resume must have
> >> only entered the public arena to fight the
> >> "rapists" after their purchase of the Republican
> >> Lite Party back in the 1980's and this presumes
> >> that those who further the "ego trip" theory are
> >> just buying into propaganda for those too limited
> >> intellectually to think for themselves.
> >>
> >> Thank you Chris Hedges for being brave enough to
> >> tell the truth! I sincerely hope that the
> >> "propaganda-eaters" don't malign and abuse you
> >> for telling the truth, though I suspect they
> >> will. They don't appreciate the truth at all and
> >> they don't like to talk about it either.
> >>
> >> On a similar topic, I spent half a day on
> >> "Democratic Underground" about a month ago and
> >> was kicked off (with absolutely no explanation).
> >> For those unfamiliar, DU is a website with many
> >> forums to discuss "progressive" issues, like who
> >> you like better, Gore or Hillary. They also enjoy
> >> talking about which pro-war Democratic candidate
> >> they should vote for to end the war. Not exactly
> >> a hotbed of rational thought .... but they're
> >> Democrats. What do you expect?
> >>
> >> The "progressives" I was chatting with were
> >> discussing the new Nader film, "An Unreasonable
> >> Man". They were literally calling Ralph an
> >> "idiot", "a fucking asshole" and a "scumbag". I
> >> can only assume that this Democrat venom is
> >> residual from the 2000 presidential run although
> >> none of these idiots could explain their way out
> >> of a paper bag nor do they feel that they owe me,
> >> their enemy, any explanation. In their
> >> minds, Nader was that guy who was "not a factor"
> >> when they mailed out all the debate invitations
> >> but who became the "ONLY factor"
> >> when Al Gore ran such a weak-assed campaign that
> >> he lost his own home state and Clinton's, too!
> >> All I did on the forum with a particularly stupid
> >> chatter was call Hillary a "fascist". I backed
> >> that up by asking how someone can support the
> >> Imperialist/Big Oil/Ruling Class agenda and vote
> >> for illegal occupation and genocide and
> >> also refuse to debate your legitimate opponents,
> >> Tasini and Hawkins? I may have also pointed out
> >> to a few Nader-haters that there were many other
> >> third party candidates on the ballot in Florida
> >> in that infamous election and that EVERY SINGLE
> >> ONE OF THEM had enough votes to "spoil it" for
> >> Gore. Using the Dems own questionable math
> >> skills, shouldn't they be propagandizing against
> >> all of those candidates! Why have they persisted
> >> in vilifying only ONE guy, especially when that
> >> one guy has done more for them than any elected
> >> official has ever done?
> >>
> >> I guess they don't like having a conversation or
> >> they're just frightened that their "logic"
> >> doesn't make any sense? Very strange behavior,
> >> indeed. These "sheeple" who call themselves
> >> progressives lack even a basic willingness to try
> >> and defend their viewpoint and their blind
> >> obedience to their party bosses. This fearful
> >> behavior fortifies me in my certitude that Ralph
> >> is right and that we need to support him in
> >> whatever number of elections he may choose to run
> >> in.
> >>
> >> Peace to all those with open minds who are brave
> >> enough to stand up and fight!      ;-)
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> Matt Funiciello
> >> <mailto:mattfuniciello at earthlink.net>mattfuniciello at earthlink.net
> >> Two Political Parties = One Massive Corporation
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Pariah or Prophet?
> >>
> >>
> > <http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/ 
> > 20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/>http://www.truthdig.com/ 
> > report/item/20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/
> >>
> >> Posted on Feb 26, 2007
> >>
> >> By Chris Hedges
> >>
> >> I can?t imagine why Ralph Nader would run again.
> >> He has been branded as an egomaniac, blacklisted
> >> by the media, plunged into debt by a Democratic
> >> Party machine that challenged his ballot access
> >> petitions and locked him out of the presidential
> >> debates. Most of his friends and supporters have
> >> abandoned him, and he is almost universally
> >> reviled for throwing the 2000 election to George
> >> W. Bush.
> >>
> >> I can?t imagine why he would want to go through
> >> this one more time.  But when Nader hinted in San
> >> Francisco that he might run if Sen. Hillary
> >> Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party
> >> nominee, I knew I would be working for his
> >> campaign if he indeed entered the race.  He
> >> understands that American democracy has become a
> >> consumer fraud and that if we do not do battle
> >> with the corporations that, in the name of
> >> globalization, are cannibalizing the country for
> >> profit, our democratic state is doomed.
> >>
> >> I spent the last two years reporting and writing
> >> ?American Fascists: The Christian Right and the
> >> War on America.? The rise of the Christian
> >> right?the most dangerous mass movement in
> >> American history?can be traced directly to the
> >> corporate rape of America.  This movement, which
> >> calls for the eradication of real and imagined
> >> enemies, all branded as ?satanic,? at home and
> >> abroad, is an expression of rage.  This rage
> >> rises out of the deep distortions and
> >> dislocations that have beset tens of millions of
> >> Americans shunted aside in the new global
> >> marketplace.  The massive flight of manufacturing
> >> and professional jobs overseas, the ruthless
> >> slashing of state and federal assistance and the
> >> rise of an unchecked American oligarchy have
> >> plunged many Americans into deep economic and
> >> personal despair.  They have turned, because of
> >> this despair, to ?Christian? demagogues who
> >> promise magic, miracles, angels, the gospel of
> >> prosperity and a fantastic Christian utopia.  And
> >> the Republicans and the Democrats are equally
> >> culpable for this assault.
> >>
> >> There are only two solutions left.  We must
> >> organize to fight the corporate state, to
> >> redirect our national wealth and resources to
> >> fund a massive antipoverty campaign and curb the
> >> cycle of perpetual war that enriches the
> >> military-industrial complex and by extension the
> >> two political parties that dominate Washington,
> >> or we must accept an inevitable Christo-fascism
> >> backed by these corporations.  Don?t expect glib
> >> Democratic politicians such as John Edwards, Sen.
> >> Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama to address these
> >> issues.  They are, as Nader understands, hostage
> >> to corporate money.
> >>
> >> Nader, perhaps better than anyone else, has
> >> grasped the long, disastrous rise of the
> >> corporate state.
> >>
> >> He and his small army of activists helped write
> >> citizen legislation in the 1960s and 1970s that
> >> gave us, among many bills, the Clean Air Act, the
> >> Mine and Health Safety Act and the Freedom of
> >> Information Act.  He worked with and was courted
> >> by sympathetic Democrats.  Presidential candidate
> >> George McGovern saw him as a potential running
> >> mate, but Nader refused to be enticed directly
> >> into the political arena.  He was a skilled
> >> Washington insider, one of the greatest idealists
> >> within the democratic system.
> >>
> >> But the corporations grew tired of Nader?s
> >> activism.  They mounted a well-oiled campaign to
> >> destroy him.  These early attempts were clumsy
> >> and amateurish, such as General Motor?s use of
> >> private detectives to try to dig up dirt on his
> >> private life; they found none. The campaign was
> >> exposed and led to a public apology by GM.  Nader
> >> was awarded $425,000 in damages, which he used to
> >> fund citizen action groups.
> >>
> >> Lewis Powell, who was the general counsel to the
> >> U.S. Chamber of Commerce and would later be
> >> appointed to the Supreme Court, wrote a memo in
> >> August 1971 that expressed corporate concerns.
> >> ?The single most effective antagonist of American
> >> business is Ralph Nader,? the memo read, ?a
> >> legend in his own time and an idol to millions of
> >> Americans. ... There should be no hesitation to
> >> attack [Nader and others].?
> >>
> >> Corporations poured hundreds of millions into the
> >> assault.  They set up pseudo-think tanks, such as
> >> the Heritage Foundation, which invented bogus
> >> disciplines including cost-benefit and
> >> risk-management analysis, all geared to change
> >> the debate from health, labor and safety issues
> >> to the rising cost of big government.  They ran
> >> sophisticated ad campaigns to beguile voters.
> >> These corporations wrenched apart, through lavish
> >> campaign donations and intensive and shady
> >> lobbying, the ties between Nader?s public
> >> interest groups and his supporters in the
> >> Democratic Party.  Washington, by the time they
> >> were done, was besieged with 25,000 corporate
> >> lobbyists and 9,000 corporate action committees.
> >>
> >> When Ronald Reagan, the corporate pitch man,
> >> swept into office he set out to dismantle some 30
> >> governmental regulations, most put into place by
> >> Nader and his allies, all of which curbed the
> >> abuse of corporations.  The Reagan White House
> >> worked to gut 20 years of Nader legislation.
> >> And, once a fixture on Capital Hill, Nader became
> >> a pariah.
> >>
> >> Nader, however, did not give up.  He turned to
> >> local community organizing, assisting grass-roots
> >> campaigns around the country such the one to
> >> remove benzene, known to cause cancer, from paint
> >> in GM car plants.  But by the time Bill Clinton
> >> and Al Gore took office the corporate state was
> >> ascendant.  Nader and his citizen committees were
> >> frozen out by Democrats as well as Republicans.
> >> Clinton and Gore never met with him.
> >>
> >> ?We tried every way to get the Democrats to pick
> >> up on issues that really commanded the felt
> >> concerns and daily life of millions of
> >> Americans,? Nader says in the new documentary
> >> about his life, ?An Unreasonable Man,? ?but these
> >> were issues that corporations didn?t want
> >> attention paid to, and so when people say why did
> >> you do this in 2000, I say I?m a 20-year veteran
> >> of pursuing the folly of the least worse between
> >> the two parties.?
> >>
> >> The Clinton administration pushed through NAFTA,
> >> gutted welfare, gave up on universal healthcare,
> >> deregulated the communications industry and
> >> abolished federal aid to families with dependent
> >> children.  It further empowered the growing
> >> corporate state and exacerbated the despair that
> >> has fueled its allies in the Christian right.
> >>
> >> ?For 20 years,? Nader says in the film, ?we saw
> >> the doors closing on us in Washington, on our
> >> citizen groups and a lot of other citizen groups,
> >> and what are we here for?  To improve the
> >> country.  We couldn?t get congressional hearings,
> >> even with the Democrats in charge.?
> >>
> >> There is a fascinating rage?and rage is the right
> >> word?expressed by many on the left in this fine
> >> film about Nader.  Todd Gitlin, Eric Alterman and
> >> Michael Moore, along with a host of former
> >> Nader?s Raiders, spit out venomous insults toward
> >> Nader, a man they profess to have once admired,
> >> the most common charge being that Nader is a
> >> victim of his oversized ego.
> >>
> >> This anger is the anger of the betrayed.  But
> >> they were not betrayed by Nader.  They betrayed
> >> themselves.  They allowed themselves to buy into
> >> the facile argument of ?the least worse? and
> >> ignore the deeper, subterranean assault on our
> >> democracy that Nader has always addressed.
> >>
> >> It was an incompetent, corporatized Democratic
> >> Party, along with the orchestrated fraud by the
> >> Republican Party, that threw the 2000 election to
> >> Bush, not Ralph Nader.  Nader received only 2.7
> >> percent of the vote in 2000 and got less than
> >> one-half of 1 percent in 2004.  All of the
> >> third-party candidates who ran in 2000 in
> >> Florida?there were about half a dozen of them?got
> >> more votes than the 537-vote difference between
> >> Bush and Gore.  Why not go after the other
> >> third-party candidates?  And what about the 10
> >> million Democrats who voted in 2000 for Bush?
> >> What about Gore, whose campaign was so timid and
> >> empty?he never mentioned global warming?that he
> >> could not carry his home state of Tennessee?  And
> >> what about the 2004 cartoon-like candidate, John
> >> Kerry, who got up like a Boy Scout and told us he
> >> was reporting for duty and would bring us
> >> ?victory? in Iraq?
> >>
> >> Nader argues that there are few?he never said
> >> no?differences between the Democrats and the
> >> Republicans.  And during the first four years of
> >> the Bush administration the Democrats proved him
> >> right.  They authorized the war in Iraq.  They
> >> stood by as Bush stacked the judiciary with
> >> ?Christian? ideologues.  They let Bush, in
> >> violation of the Constitution, pump hundreds of
> >> millions of taxpayer dollars into faith-based
> >> organizations that discriminate based on belief
> >> and sexual orientation and openly proselytize.
> >> They stood by as American children got fleeced by
> >> No Child Left Behind.  Democrats did not protest
> >> when federal agencies began to propagate
> >> ?Christian? pseudo-science about creationism,
> >> reproductive rights and homosexuality.  And the
> >> Democrats let Bush further dismantle regulatory
> >> agencies, strip American citizens of
> >> constitutional rights under the Patriot Act and
> >> other draconian legislation, and thrust
> >> impoverished Americans aside through the
> >> corporate-sponsored bankruptcy bill.  It is a
> >> stunning record.
> >>
> >> Bush is the worst president in American history.
> >> If Gore, or Kerry, had the spine to take him on,
> >> to challenge corporate welfare, corporate crime,
> >> the hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate
> >> bailouts and issues such as labor law reform, if
> >> either had actually stood up to these corporate
> >> behemoths on behalf of the working and middle
> >> class, rather than mutter thought-terminating
> >> clich?s about American greatness, he could have
> >> won with a landslide.  But Gore and Kerry did not
> >> dare to piss off their corporate paymasters.
> >>
> >> There are a few former associates in the film who
> >> argue that Nader is tarnishing his legacy, and by
> >> extension their own legacy.  But Nader?s legacy
> >> is undiminished.  He fights his wars against
> >> corporate greed with a remarkable consistency.
> >> He knows our democratic state is being hijacked
> >> by the same corporate interests that sold us
> >> unsafe automobiles and dangerous and shoddy
> >> products.  This is a battle not for some
> >> unachievable ideal but to save our democracy.
> >>
> >> ?I don?t care about my personal legacy,? Nader
> >> says in the film.  ?I care about how much justice
> >> is advanced in America and in our world day after
> >> day.  I?m willing to sacrifice whatever
> >> ?reputation? in the cause of that effort.  What
> >> is my legacy?  Are they going to turn around and
> >> rip out seat belts out of cars, air bags out of
> >> cars??
> >>
> >> These corporations, and their enraged and
> >> manipulated followers in the Christian right,
> >> tens of millions of them, if left unchecked will
> >> propel us into despotism.  The corporate state
> >> has rigged our system, hollowed out our political
> >> process and steadily stripped citizens of
> >> constitutional rights, federal and state
> >> protection and assistance.  This may be the
> >> twilight of American democracy.  And it is better
> >> to stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to
> >> fight at all.
> >>
> >> Chris Hedges? latest book is ?American Fascists:
> >> The Christian Right and the War on America.?
> >> --
> >> NOW PLAYING AT YOUR LOCAL MARXIST CINEMA: "DR.
> >> STRANGELEFT, OR, HOW I  STOPPED WORRYING AND
> >> LEARNED TO LOVE THE BOMBERS".
> >>
> >>
> >> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully
> >> as when they do it from religious conviction" (B.
> >> Pascal)
> >>
> >> "We are already fighting World War III and I am
> >> sorry to say we are winning. It is the war
> >> against the earth".....Raymond Dasmann
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From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 06:30:11 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <950130.11543.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>
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I think it could be very useful and it would give up a close-up view  
of how and what others in the party are thinking.  It might help us  
overcome some of the divisions.  Who knows?
Andrea

On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:16 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Oooh!  I especially like your idea Andie of discussion groups for
> post-movie viewing dinner fellowship!
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
>
>> I sent an email to camera12 enquiring about times;
>> I also called Ron Regalia, the office manager, at his office
>> 408-998-3022 x10;
>> and from that I obtained his cell phone and called that 408-786-7323.
>> No contact yet, but left messages that asked if any times had been
>> set yet, and thanked them for showing the movie.
>>
>> We could start a flurry right now just by queries and by letting them
>>
>> know that each of us is from a group that wants to go as a group.
>> So if you call the general number first to leave a message to that
>> effect first, you will give the impression that they are going to be
>>
>> swamped!!!
>> Good luck, all.
>> And thanks for taking this up.
>>
>> Even is Nader isn't your favorite politician (for whatever reason), I
>>
>> think this movie is going to be very interesting!
>> I'm in favor of setting a group date and time and then set another
>> for those who couldn't go to the first one.
>> Maybe a discussion group to compare notes over dinner?  Lunch?
>> Andrea
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:14 PM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> So it opens on Friday March 16th, and the Camera 12 downtown SJ web
>>> site (details about the movie from their web site below) do not
>>> state a
>>> time yet.  Could someone call them and see if they have a time set?
>>>
>>> As regards the 16th that might not be my first choice because we
>> have
>>> our weekly Friday night impeachment vigil happening at 5:30-7 and
>> on
>>> the 16th Christian Witness for Peace  will have a special service
>> over
>>> at Sunnyvale Presbyterian in honor of the third anniversary of the
>>> martyrdom of Rachel Corrie who was killed in Gaza Palestine by an
>>> Israeli bulldozer driver.
>>>
>>>         Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition's Weekly Impeachment
>>> Vigil
>>>         5:30-7P
>>>         Location: Castro and El Camino
>>>
>>>         Christian Witness for Peace
>>>   	Time: Friday, March 16, 2007   @  7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
>>>   	Location: Sunnyvale Presbyterian,
>>>         728 W. Fremont Ave, Sunnyvale CA 94087, Building 300
>>>         Phone: 408/739-1892
>>>
>>>         	
>>> Coming Soon
>>> An Unreasonable Man
>>> Opens 3/16/2007
>>> Coming to:	  	Camera 12 Downtown
>>>
>>> Director: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan
>>>
>>> Synopsis: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan trace the life of
>> career
>>> of famed consumer advocate Ralph Nader, from the General Motors
>> smear
>>> campaign that launched his fame in 1966, to the 2000 presidential
>>> election, where his independent candidacy was blamed by many for
>>> putting George W. Bush in the White House. Without ever holding
>> public
>>> office, Nader has built a legislative record that is the rival of
>> any
>>> contemporary president, having been responsible for such
>>> innovations as
>>> seat belts, airbags and product labeling. "Thoughtful and smoothly
>>> edited, this is an absorbing chronicle of an extraordinary
>>> career."--Variety.
>>>
>>> Running Time: 122 Minutes
>>> (plus 8-10 minutes of trailers)
>>>
>>> Official Web Site:
>>> http://www.anunreasonableman.com/
>>>
>>> MPAA Rating: NR
>>>
>>> No Free Passes, But Discount Cards O.K.
>>> Reviews: Smooth and Balanced Profile
>>>
>>> By Sura Wood
>>>
>>> PARK CITY -- A heroic crusader to some and the spoiler who betrayed
>>
>>> the
>>> Democratic Party to others, Ralph Nader emerges as a dedicated,
>>> controversial and flawed figure in the documentary, "An
>> Unreasonable
>>> Man."
>>>
>>> Filmmakers Henriette Mantel, who once worked for Nader, and Steve
>>> Skrovan, smoothly integrate reams of material, dozens of insightful
>>> interviews as well as archival news footage and, without the use of
>> a
>>> narrator, present a coherent, balanced picture of a lightning rod
>> in
>>> the political arena.
>>>
>>> The film starts in 1966 when Nader is launched to prominence after
>> he
>>> riles General Motors with his attacks on car safety. He accused the
>>> automobile industry of selling "psychosexual dreamboats."
>>>
>>> Mantel and Skrovan showcase Nader's tireless, forceful advocacy for
>>
>>> the
>>> rights of the little guy and his own causes, which ranged from
>>> transportation safety to drug labeling and clean air. He fought the
>>
>>> big
>>> boys and usually won. The list of organizations he founded or
>>> sponsored
>>> and the legislation he was instrumental in passing are impressive.
>>>
>>> There are nagging questions about Nader's personal life -- by all
>>> accounts he doesn't have one -- and they aren't addressed till
>>> later in
>>> the film. Even then, little time is spent on the subject.
>> Colleagues
>>> say he's married to his work, driven by a sense of injustice and a
>>> "never give up, never give in" ethos, a form of absolutism that has
>>> made him difficult to work for and harder to leave. Former
>> employees
>>> say he was hostile to anyone who stopped working for him.
>>>
>>> The film primarily focuses on how and why Nader's bid for the
>>> presidency in 2000 antagonized even his most ardent admirers. Many
>>> interviewed here are still angry.
>>>
>>> What makes this doc so successful is the willingness to present a
>> wide
>>> variety of opinions of Nader, a man who inspires intense emotions
>> on
>>> both sides of the aisle. Todd Gitlin, Dean of the Columbia
>> Journalism
>>> School, makes an impassioned case against Nader's misstep in 2000
>> and
>>> again in 2004. Of the former Nader's Raiders, some kept the faith;
>>
>>> some
>>> are disillusioned, even bitter. There's a bit of levity, too. James
>>> Fallows recalls Nader's attack on hot dogs, which were labeled
>>> "missiles of death.' Clips from a "Saturday Night Live" show that
>>> Nader
>>> hosted are, for lack of a better word, surprising.
>>>
>>> Editors Alexis Provost and Beth Gallagher cut back and forth
>> between
>>> the talking heads so deftly that you have the illusion that Nader
>> is
>>> answering his critics in real time in a very lively debate.
>>>
>>> Copyright 2007 Hollywood Reporter
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughtful Chronicle of Extraordinary Man
>>>
>>> By Dennis Harvey
>>>
>>> Crusading consumer advocate Ralph Nader's extraordinary career --
>> and
>>> the recent Presidential campaigns that cast a pall over it -- are
>>> thoughtfully chronicled in "An Unreasonable Man." A basically
>> admiring
>>> if critical portrait, docu by Henriette Mantel and Stephen Skrovan
>>> (strangely, both standup comics and TV comedy writer-producers)
>> finds
>>> more than enough absorbing material to hold interest through nearly
>>> three-hour runtime. Straightforward PBS-style effort will be most
>> at
>>> home on the small screen.
>>>
>>> Hewing mostly to a chronological structure, pic at first jumps
>>> around a
>>> bit, glimpsing Nader's controversial last few years, skipping back
>> to
>>> his first whistle-blowing triumphs in the early- to mid-1960s, then
>>> rewinding all the way to his small-town Connecticut upbringing
>> under
>>> the wing of a father who imbued his children with the
>> problem-solving,
>>> community-minded assurance that "you can fight City Hall."
>> Resulting
>>> activist strain was visible in Ralph early on.
>>>
>>> After graduating from Harvard Law School, a friend's near-fatal car
>>> wreck led him toward investigation of the U.S. auto industry. Nader
>>> recognized that cost-cutting design flaws and lack of safety
>> equipment
>>> were the true culprit in many traffic accidents. When his book
>> "Unsafe
>>> at Any Speed" came out in 1965, it caused a public furor that had
>>> immediate effect, drastically improvingauto safety.
>>>
>>> Hoping to discredit him, General Motors had Nader spied on and
>>> harassed, even trying sexual entrapment. (Unfortunately for them,
>>> Nader
>>> is a workaholic whose love life remains a mystery -- if it exists
>> at
>>> all -- to even his closest allies.) A subsequent $425,000
>>> invasion-of-privacy settlement ironically provided him seed money
>> for
>>> even more sweeping investigations of corporate and governmental
>>> malfeasance.
>>>
>>> While Nader's accomplishments are many, his is a personality that
>>> turns
>>> away personal glory while tempting accusations of megalomania. Many
>>> collegiate "Nader's Raiders" who cut their teeth under his
>> leadership
>>> then moved on to public office felt the sting of his criticism when
>>> their attempts to stir positive change within the compromise-driven
>>> cronyism of D.C. politics failed to meet his exacting standards.
>>>
>>> Feeling the two-party system had turned into a one-sided monopoly,
>>> Nader ran for president in 1996, 2000 and 2004. When Al Gore lost
>> to
>>> George W. Bush in the bitterly contested 2000 election, much rage
>> was
>>> directed toward Nader for "stealing" votes that might otherwise
>> have
>>> gone to the Demos. Four years later, when Nader ran again, few
>>> liberals
>>> still bought his notion that changing the overall party system
>> trumped
>>> choosing the lesser evil.
>>>
>>> While the overall portrait is of a man whose unbending sense of
>> moral
>>> imperative can be both admirable and exasperating, the filmmakers
>>> clearly hope Nader's rep and accomplishments can re-emerge from the
>>> ill-will his political campaigns have generated. (Co-helmer Mantel
>>> worked with Nader in the late 1970s.)
>>>
>>> Mix of archival footage and contemporary interviews is given a
>> smooth
>>> editorial shape; other contribs are pro if undistinguished.
>>>
>>> Copyright 2006 Variety
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want to go ASAP in this area.  Which means Friday, March 16th.
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: Remember the anti war rally is March 17th.
>>>>
>>>> And for those who may want to inform others of where the movie
>>>> is showing, around the United States:
>>>>
>>>>      http://www.anunreasonableman.com/calendar.cfm
>>>>
>>>> I am somewhat unhappy that it seems to be showing in not very
>>>> many places.  We should encourage as many as possible to see
>>>> it as soon as possible, so that might encourage others to go
>>>> see it and other theatres to show it.
>>>>
>>>> Gerry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrea Dorey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We're fools if we don't support this.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are divided
>> so
>>>>
>>>>> badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do anything
>>>>> important or at the national level because we can't do teamwork.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided we
>>>> fall"?
>>>>> An old truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org
>>>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us
>>>>>> <mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>>, "Cameron Spitzer"
>> <cls at greens.org
>>>>
>>>>>> <mailto:cls at greens.org>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March 16
>> at
>>>>
>>>>>> Camera 12 Cinemas <http://www.cameracinemas.com/index.shtml>,
>>>> located
>>>>>> at 201 South Second Street. Show times and advanced tickets are
>>>>>> available online
>>>>>> <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi?cmd=bt&f=c12>or
>>>> by
>>>>>> phone at 408-998-3300.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org
>>>>>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to
>> San
>>>>>>     Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose, right
>>>> next
>>>>>>     to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of third
>>>>>>     parties is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have a
>>>> young
>>>>>>     computer guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis
>>>> I've
>>>>>>     ever heard of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.
>> I'm
>>>> sure
>>>>>>     there are other voices out there who would concur with such
>> an
>>>>>>     analysis for that election and others.  Maybe you folks
>> could
>>>> get
>>>>>>     together and design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk the
>>>> idea
>>>>>>     (over and over again) better than Nader!  It would free the
>>>> Green
>>>>>>     Party (and Nader himself)  from lingering animosity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Andrea Dorey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     You are invited to the California showings of the new Ralph
>>>> Nader
>>>>>>>     documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader
>>>> during
>>>>>>>     the California tour for his new book The Seventeen
>>>> Traditions.
>>>>>>>     See schedule below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more
>> than
>>>>>>>     forty on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of
>> one
>>>> of
>>>>>>>     the most unique, important, and controversial political
>>>> figures
>>>>>>>     of the past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has
>>>> garnered
>>>>>>>     wide critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's
>> harshest
>>>>>>>     critics and most eloquent supporters to create a compelling
>>>> and
>>>>>>>     inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our
>>>> times.
>>>>>>>     Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are
>>>>>>>     available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com
>>>>>>>     <http://www.anunreasonableman.com/>. See below for how to
>>>> help
>>>>>>>     promote the film.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     The Seventeen Traditions
>>>> <http://www.seventeentraditions.com/> is
>>>>>>>     an unexpected and extraordinary book by Ralph Nader that
>>>> looks
>>>>>>>     back to the earliest days of his life, to his serene and
>>>>>>>     enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted, Connecticut. From
>>>>>>>     listening to learning, from patriotism to argument, Nader
>>>>>>>     revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from his
>>>> parents,
>>>>>>>     his siblings, and the people in his community, and draws
>> from
>>>>>>>     them inspiring lessons for today's society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday,
>>>>>>>     February 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272
>>>> Santa
>>>>>>>     Monica Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be three
>>>>>>>     showings daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm
>> weekend
>>>>>>>     matinee. On Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A
>>>>>>>     following the 4:30 and 7:15 showings, and introduce the
>> 9:55
>>>> show
>>>>>>>     on Friday only. Tickets are available at the Landmark Nuart
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/LosAngeles/NuartTheatre.htm>,
>>>>>>>     or by phone at 310-281-8223.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following
>>>> premiere
>>>>>>>     dates:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         * Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado
>>>>>>>           <http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9>.
>>>>>>>         * San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere
>> Theater
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFrancisco/
>>> LumiereTheatre.htm>.
>>>>>>>         * Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFranciscoEastBay/
>>> ShattuckCinemas.htm>.
>>>>>>>         * Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater
>>>>>>>           <http://www.thenick.com/>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the
>>>>>>>     following stops:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         * Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood
>>>> Bookstore
>>>>>>>           <http://www.duttonsbrentwood.com/> in Los Angeles.
>>>>>>>         * Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> <http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com/
>>>
>>
> storedetail.do;jsessionid=1DAE157FD82CCA89106D112D95212F6F?store=2583>
>>>>>>>           in Encino.
>>>>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club
>>>>>>>           <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/index.php> in San
>>>> Francisco.
>>>>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> <http://www.dominican.edu/events/lectures_ics/2007-aacmpy-1585586/
>>> index.html>
>>>>>>>           in San Rafael.
>>>>>>>         * Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> <http://www.booksinc.net/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?
>>> page=266537&s=storeinfo&>.
>>>>>>>           at 601 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     How to help:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need
>>>> many
>>>>>>>     committed volunteers to make it successful by:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     * Phone banking potential movie-goers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     * Selling tickets to your friends
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Can you help us out?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at
>> Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>     <mailto:Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     PLEASE Forward Widely
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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>>>
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar  8 07:08:11 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:08:11 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <124417.63889.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <124417.63889.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6D8D9EB3-7515-45EE-AF56-76EDD31FE9F0@duendevision.com>





On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:02 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Oh my God people!  Give it a rest and give me a break!  It's a very
> basic principle of Greens that we believe in local autonomy.  As a
> County Council member I'll not stand by silently when someone (who
> didn't even initially tell us where he was from) persists in bombing
> our e-list with their outsider opinion.  No I won't stand for it.  Its
> not right and its not happening here.

Bombing? The man made 3 posts since December and all were intelligent.

> However I will take full credit
> (as I've not been given by these critics) for coming up with an
> eminently practical solution that allows us Greens to mutually support
> each other across the country even though we are not in the same
> locality - e-lists for CountyDev at Greens.org and  
> Candidates at Greens.org .

I'm sure you will take full credit though if you read my reply to  
Tian I had also suggested the possibility of county specific list as  
well. However this isn't one of them and has never had a geographical  
bias to it until you "refused to stand for it"

Peace

Duende

______________________________________________
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is  
the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion  
is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in  
awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein




From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar  8 07:48:55 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:48:55 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places _inclusive list
	or not
In-Reply-To: <943408.43988.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <943408.43988.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5FB0A1D7-A703-4D8F-87C8-1780EBB5C0F3@duendevision.com>


________________________________________________________
"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise  
they'll kill you."

     Oscar Wilde


On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:13 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Oh, and furthermore and most importantly if people actually read  
> what I
> wrote they'd note all I said was that I was 'concerned' about the
> suddenly frequent posting from a non-local and all I was requesting  
> was
> that Mark would observe and not frequently post.

As I said before.. the man made 3 intelligent posts..
  not FREQUENT nor SUDDENLY since he only commented on an existing  
thread..

> Mark himself
> completely mistook my post and all by his lonesome drew some wild
> conclusions about not being welcome to observe our list and he
> voluntarily took himself off.

Mark didn't mistake anything. You were questioning his right to  
participate on this forum pure and simple. I personally question your  
right to have taken this upon yourself with out first discussing the  
use of this forum with others who have been on it longer than you  
have (myself included except for a brief period)
>
> No I absolutely do NOT concur in inviting Mark back onto our local
> list.  His frequent posting was unwelcome and his verbal grenades that
> he tossed onto our list and then walked away make him completely
> unwelcome. Can you not see the trouble he's already caused by his
> uncalled for invasive and inflammatory remarks!!!  He's toxic.  Leave
> him be and drop this whole line.  We have much too much LOCAL work to
> do to be WASTING TIME with this BULLSHIT.

Again, the man had made only 3 posts. You say he tossed grenades and  
walked away. Drew.. you basically chased him away with the insulting  
position you took with him (yet you can't seem to understand). One I  
do not concur with.

I don't consider resolving whether a list is inclusive or not to be  
minor nor am I comfortable with the charged language you're using in  
discussing these events.

>
> Green means GO!

And in this case it meant go some where else it appears. Autonomy  
doesn't exclude us from community. I would really like to see others  
on this list follow suite and acknowledge to Mark the  
inappropriateness of the treatment he got.

I was at a meeting in Mike and Marilyn's home and someone (I think it  
was Jim) asked why Greens had such a hard time attracting people. I  
offered my 2 cents in that I saw them as quite cliquish.  I wonder  
how cliquish we appear to Mark at the moment.

And another thing about the Greens was "twinkling". The first time I  
saw twinkling I almost ran out of the room. It almost seems like a  
desperate attempt to be different. Anyway, it's really too weird for  
my blood..and I am a VERY weird guy :-)


Peace

Duende

>



From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar  8 07:49:15 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:49:15 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <950130.11543.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <950130.11543.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>
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I concur with Drew. Great idea Andrea. I'm putting it on my calendar.

Peace

Duende
'
___________________________________
The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the  
one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and  
Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.


On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:16 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Oooh!  I especially like your idea Andie of discussion groups for
> post-movie viewing dinner fellowship!
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew


From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 07:52:49 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:52:49 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <0B4277D2-EE80-43CE-9E9B-89BF466DFE4A@duendevision.com>
References: <950130.11543.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>
	<0B4277D2-EE80-43CE-9E9B-89BF466DFE4A@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <EECD53B4-0FA3-4A31-A914-29D22FCCB05A@cagreens.org>

You two guys would keep things hopping!
I would love to see young Greens and more women show up for this too.
Andrea

On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Duende wrote:

> I concur with Drew. Great idea Andrea. I'm putting it on my calendar.
>
> Peace
>
> Duende
> '
> ___________________________________
> The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the
> one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and
> Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:16 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>
>> Oooh!  I especially like your idea Andie of discussion groups for
>> post-movie viewing dinner fellowship!
>>
>> Impeach for Peace!
>>
>> Drew
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> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>



From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 08:11:33 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:11:33 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Global warming is human rights issue: Nobel
	nominee
In-Reply-To: <578025.96104.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <578025.96104.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <78FB8574-EABF-462A-8EFF-0FC6D9D788C8@cagreens.org>

Drew,
Thanks for including this material.

Did you hear actor Geena Davis this AM on Democracy Now talking about  
the lack of female characters in the media, especially for very young  
children?  She has taken an interest in this due to her having had a  
daughter and two twin sons in recent years.

Her talk really blew me away.  It needs to be heard by GP women, as  
her statements carried a lot of healing for those of us who diet,  
surgically alter ourselves, and secretly hate our bodies (some kids  
today are CUTTING themselves!).  What she has acknowledged is the  
POWER of the media and, although in the business, really had not  
realized just how powerful they are!  She demonstrates it by using  
personal anecdotes in this talk.

You were discussing the possibility of getting GP women together in a  
group--I think it is a worthy cause.  I'd like to get a copy of this  
material (above) and perhaps Fred would be interested in sponsoring a  
showing?  I think men should be interested, too, because they are not  
unaffected by media images.  If women are unconscious of the damage  
done to themselves, how could men know of it--or of that done to  
themselves as well?

This would be a great  kickoff in getting women together and getting  
women to see the GP in a new light (as advocate).

What do you think?
Andrea



On Mar 4, 2007, at 7:15 PM, JamBoi wrote:

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070304/ts_nm/globalwarming_rights_dc
>
> [So in addition to being an impeachable offense...]
>
> Global warming is human rights issue: Nobel nominee
> By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent Sun Mar 4, 9:03 AM ET
> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - It sounds like a sick joke about global  
> warming,
> with a series of horrible punch lines:
>
> How hot is it? So hot that Inuit people around the Arctic Circle are
> using air conditioners for the first time. And running out of the
> hard-packed snow they need to build igloos. And falling through  
> melting
> ice when they hunt.
>
> These circumstances are the current results of global climate change,
> according to Nobel Peace Prize nominee Sheila Watt-Cloutier, an Inuit
> born inside the Canadian Arctic, who maintains this constitutes a
> violation of human rights for indigenous people in low-lying areas
> throughout the world.
>
> Watt-Cloutier and Martin Wagner, an attorney with the environmental  
> law
> firm Earthjustice, argued this case on Thursday before the
> Inter-American Commission on Human Rights of the Organization of
> American States in Washington.
>
> "We weren't going to go to court," Watt-Cloutier said in a telephone
> interview after her testimony to the commission. "It wasn't about
> lawsuits and suing for damage or compensation.
>
> "It was more about really trying to get the world to pay attention and
> see this as a human rights issue."
>
> Their best hope is that the commission will write a report on this
> issue, though even getting a hearing in Washington is a victory of
> sorts. The commission earlier rejected a petition to hear about  
> alleged
> rights violations based solely on U.S. emissions of greenhouse gases.
>
> The human rights commission has scant powers and can do little more
> than publicize its findings and propose a resolution to the 35-member
> organization.
>
> In her address to the panel, Watt-Cloutier acknowledged the challenge
> of connecting climate change and human rights, but noted a practical
> purpose for protecting the people she called "the sentinels of climate
> change."
>
> ENVIRONMENTAL EARLY-WARNING SYSTEM
>
> "By protecting the rights of those living sustainably in the Amazon
> Basin or the rights of the Inuit hunter on the snow and ice, this
> commission will also be preserving the world's environmental
> early-warning system."
>
> Watt-Cloutier reckons there are millions of such environmental
> sentinels at risk, ranging from the Inuit to residents of low-lying
> islands that are subject to sea level rise caused by melting ice
> sheets.
>
> They chose the Organization of American States as a forum because two
> of the countries where Inuit communities live -- the United States and
> Canada -- are members. Inuit also live in Russia and Greenland.
>
> For Inuit communities, ice and snow are intrinsic to physical and
> cultural survival, Watt-Cloutier said after the hearing. Even the
> building of igloos is under threat.
>
> "You can just imagine the brilliance and the genius and the ingenuity
> of building a home out of snow, warm enough to have your baby sleep
> in," she said. "And now all of that is starting to leave because snow
> conditions are so changed."
>
> Many Inuit live in more conventional buildings, which are constructed
> mainly to keep the cold out. Unfortunately, with longer and warmer
> summers with 24-hour-a-day sunlight, this has turned many into ovens,
> Watt-Cloutier said. For the first time, air conditioners are in use in
> the Arctic.
>
> Seasoned Inuit hunters used to be able to tell where the ice was safe,
> but because warmer seas have started to melt sea ice from its
> underside, even the most experienced hunters find it hard to gauge,  
> and
> some fall through, she said.
>
> "The glaciers are melting so quickly that where our hunters used to be
> able to cross safely, now it's so unsafe that it's become torrent
> rivers ... and we've had a drowning as a result of that as well," she
> said.
>
> Watt-Cloutier quoted a hunter in Barrow, Alaska, to sum up the impact
> climate change has had on Inuit life: "There's lots of anxieties and
> angers that are being felt by some of the hunters that no longer  
> can go
> and hunt. We see the change, but we can't stop it, we can't explain  
> why
> it's changing. ... Our way of life is changing up here, our ocean  
> is changing."
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 08:14:46 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:14:46 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places _inclusive list
	or not
In-Reply-To: <16BA481F-00D9-4E07-89FA-AF7878C2BA60@duendevision.com>
References: <943408.43988.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>
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	<D8510BEC-B795-40F1-AB7E-97870794C57C@cagreens.org>
	<16BA481F-00D9-4E07-89FA-AF7878C2BA60@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <E8B196A6-1C47-4B72-B8F7-150BFE6D2AEC@cagreens.org>

Hi, Roy,
That was a mistake on my part.  Feel free to post it.
I'm getting ready to go to KMVT to do a show, so I was in a flurry to  
get ready. Then I hear a purr on the computer and come to see what's up!
Maybe the group will read my and your comments below and get it after  
all.
Andrea

On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Duende wrote:

> Hi Again
>
> Your reply to me came off list. I wish it were on list. When I  
> brought up the twinkling at Mikes there was sufficient  
> acknowledgment (and laughing) to know I was far from alone in this.  
> Your idea of signing is brilliant. (that's why I wish you'd posted  
> this to the list :-)
>
> Peace
>
> Duende
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a  
> part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his  
> thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a  
> kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a  
> kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and  
> to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to  
> free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of  
> compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature  
> in its beauty."
>
> Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Andrea Dorey wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:48 AM, Duende wrote:
>>
>>> And another thing about the Greens was "twinkling". The first time I
>>> saw twinkling I almost ran out of the room. It almost seems like a
>>> desperate attempt to be different. Anyway, it's really too weird for
>>> my blood..and I am a VERY weird guy :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Peace
>>>
>>> Duende
>>>
>> I agree with your impression about the "twinkling."  I've gotten  
>> used to it by now, but I prefer to give the "nodding fist" that  
>> means "yes" in sign language which, by adopting that, would  
>> further our all-inclusive notion in our GP platform.
>> Andrea
>

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From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar  8 08:18:27 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:18:27 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
Message-ID: <77646F96-3174-49B4-B197-26905BD4940B@duendevision.com>

As many of you know, I'm a motorcyclist and love my sport. However  
I'm totally put off by the tremendously loud bikes(and some cars)  
that shatter the peace on a continuous basis. I have yet to meet  
anyone not riding one of these machines who feels much differently  
than I do. How can one start a petition to limit this. (or enforce  
existing laws maybe) Locally for starters and statewide eventually.

Also, considering the reception I've gotten to this issue it would  
probably behoove the Green Party as a whole to push this. We sure can  
use the press.

Peace

Duende

________________________________________________________
"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise  
they'll kill you."

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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Thu Mar  8 08:27:32 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:27:32 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] metro ad preview
Message-ID: <E1HPLSm-0004i9-00@truffula>


From: MKmusic03 at aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:46:58 EST
Subject: Fwd: [SBM] Here's SBM's ad for the March 14th edition of the Metro...
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org

Hi All,

Here is a copy of the ad on the SAn Jose March 17th anti-war rally and march 
that will appear in the Metro newspaper March 14th issue and that GPSCC 
donated to.

Merraim

The file was a little too large for distribution on a general mailing list.
See http://gandhi.greens.org/cls/metroad.jpg

Cameron




From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar  8 08:27:36 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:27:36 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Twinkling - grist for the mill
In-Reply-To: <E8B196A6-1C47-4B72-B8F7-150BFE6D2AEC@cagreens.org>
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Hi All

Andrea's last post may seem a bit cryptic unless one reads back on it.

When I commented on what a turn off twinkling was to me at Mike's  
house it was apparent I was not alone in this if not just by the  
laughter alone.  Andrea felt pretty much the same but gets around it  
by nodding the fist which is the universal sign for "yes".

I think this is a wonderful way to be different (if need be) and  
simultaneously create inclusion.

Like the Subject says.. just "grist for the mill"

Peace

Duende

_______________________________________________
  "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from  
mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not  
thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and  
courageously uses his intelligence."

Albert Einstein




On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:14 AM, Andrea Dorey wrote:

> Hi, Roy,
> That was a mistake on my part.  Feel free to post it.
> I'm getting ready to go to KMVT to do a show, so I was in a flurry  
> to get ready. Then I hear a purr on the computer and come to see  
> what's up!
> Maybe the group will read my and your comments below and get it  
> after all.
> Andrea
>
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Duende wrote:
>
>> Hi Again
>>
>> Your reply to me came off list. I wish it were on list. When I  
>> brought up the twinkling at Mikes there was sufficient  
>> acknowledgment (and laughing) to know I was far from alone in  
>> this. Your idea of signing is brilliant. (that's why I wish you'd  
>> posted this to the list :-)
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> Duende
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a  
>> part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his  
>> thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a  
>> kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a  
>> kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and  
>> to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to  
>> free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of  
>> compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature  
>> in its beauty."
>>
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Andrea Dorey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:48 AM, Duende wrote:
>>>
>>>> And another thing about the Greens was "twinkling". The first  
>>>> time I
>>>> saw twinkling I almost ran out of the room. It almost seems like a
>>>> desperate attempt to be different. Anyway, it's really too weird  
>>>> for
>>>> my blood..and I am a VERY weird guy :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peace
>>>>
>>>> Duende
>>>>
>>> I agree with your impression about the "twinkling."  I've gotten  
>>> used to it by now, but I prefer to give the "nodding fist" that  
>>> means "yes" in sign language which, by adopting that, would  
>>> further our all-inclusive notion in our GP platform.
>>> Andrea
>>
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 08:45:21 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:45:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <17443638-046C-4056-A9AC-FE629CA12CC2@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <458100.8111.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>

I actually don't see much in the way of 'divisions' in the Green
Parties.  All across the nation, Greens are united in wanting to
support Green Parties, home grown, promoted from within candidates that
will support and grow the Green Parties to where we are a viable and
vital opposition party. 

The reason I think its such a great idea is more because just
connecting with other Greens, other leaning Greens (or even just
Naderites whether they be Greens or no), is super important and that is
largely where our growth will come from.  It also gives us a sense of a
portion of our history.  Legacy is important.  One must understand
where we've been in order to learn and move forward.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew
 

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> I think it could be very useful and it would give up a close-up view 
> 
> of how and what others in the party are thinking.  It might help us  
> overcome some of the divisions.  Who knows?
> Andrea
> 
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:16 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > Oooh!  I especially like your idea Andie of discussion groups for
> > post-movie viewing dinner fellowship!
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I sent an email to camera12 enquiring about times;
> >> I also called Ron Regalia, the office manager, at his office
> >> 408-998-3022 x10;
> >> and from that I obtained his cell phone and called that
> 408-786-7323.
> >> No contact yet, but left messages that asked if any times had been
> >> set yet, and thanked them for showing the movie.
> >>
> >> We could start a flurry right now just by queries and by letting
> them
> >>
> >> know that each of us is from a group that wants to go as a group.
> >> So if you call the general number first to leave a message to that
> >> effect first, you will give the impression that they are going to
> be
> >>
> >> swamped!!!
> >> Good luck, all.
> >> And thanks for taking this up.
> >>
> >> Even is Nader isn't your favorite politician (for whatever
> reason), I
> >>
> >> think this movie is going to be very interesting!
> >> I'm in favor of setting a group date and time and then set another
> >> for those who couldn't go to the first one.
> >> Maybe a discussion group to compare notes over dinner?  Lunch?
> >> Andrea
> >>
> >> On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:14 PM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>
> >>> So it opens on Friday March 16th, and the Camera 12 downtown SJ
> web
> >>> site (details about the movie from their web site below) do not
> >>> state a
> >>> time yet.  Could someone call them and see if they have a time
> set?
> >>>
> >>> As regards the 16th that might not be my first choice because we
> >> have
> >>> our weekly Friday night impeachment vigil happening at 5:30-7 and
> >> on
> >>> the 16th Christian Witness for Peace  will have a special service
> >> over
> >>> at Sunnyvale Presbyterian in honor of the third anniversary of
> the
> >>> martyrdom of Rachel Corrie who was killed in Gaza Palestine by an
> >>> Israeli bulldozer driver.
> >>>
> >>>         Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition's Weekly Impeachment
> >>> Vigil
> >>>         5:30-7P
> >>>         Location: Castro and El Camino
> >>>
> >>>         Christian Witness for Peace
> >>>   	Time: Friday, March 16, 2007   @  7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
> >>>   	Location: Sunnyvale Presbyterian,
> >>>         728 W. Fremont Ave, Sunnyvale CA 94087, Building 300
> >>>         Phone: 408/739-1892
> >>>
> >>>         	
> >>> Coming Soon
> >>> An Unreasonable Man
> >>> Opens 3/16/2007
> >>> Coming to:	  	Camera 12 Downtown
> >>>
> >>> Director: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan
> >>>
> >>> Synopsis: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan trace the life of
> >> career
> >>> of famed consumer advocate Ralph Nader, from the General Motors
> >> smear
> >>> campaign that launched his fame in 1966, to the 2000 presidential
> >>> election, where his independent candidacy was blamed by many for
> >>> putting George W. Bush in the White House. Without ever holding
> >> public
> >>> office, Nader has built a legislative record that is the rival of
> >> any
> >>> contemporary president, having been responsible for such
> >>> innovations as
> >>> seat belts, airbags and product labeling. "Thoughtful and
> smoothly
> >>> edited, this is an absorbing chronicle of an extraordinary
> >>> career."--Variety.
> >>>
> >>> Running Time: 122 Minutes
> >>> (plus 8-10 minutes of trailers)
> >>>
> >>> Official Web Site:
> >>> http://www.anunreasonableman.com/
> >>>
> >>> MPAA Rating: NR
> >>>
> >>> No Free Passes, But Discount Cards O.K.
> >>> Reviews: Smooth and Balanced Profile
> >>>
> >>> By Sura Wood
> >>>
> >>> PARK CITY -- A heroic crusader to some and the spoiler who
> betrayed
> >>
> >>> the
> >>> Democratic Party to others, Ralph Nader emerges as a dedicated,
> >>> controversial and flawed figure in the documentary, "An
> >> Unreasonable
> >>> Man."
> >>>
> >>> Filmmakers Henriette Mantel, who once worked for Nader, and Steve
> >>> Skrovan, smoothly integrate reams of material, dozens of
> insightful
> >>> interviews as well as archival news footage and, without the use
> of
> >> a
> >>> narrator, present a coherent, balanced picture of a lightning rod
> >> in
> >>> the political arena.
> >>>
> >>> The film starts in 1966 when Nader is launched to prominence
> after
> >> he
> >>> riles General Motors with his attacks on car safety. He accused
> the
> >>> automobile industry of selling "psychosexual dreamboats."
> >>>
> >>> Mantel and Skrovan showcase Nader's tireless, forceful advocacy
> for
> >>
> >>> the
> >>> rights of the little guy and his own causes, which ranged from
> >>> transportation safety to drug labeling and clean air. He fought
> the
> >>
> >>> big
> >>> boys and usually won. The list of organizations he founded or
> >>> sponsored
> >>> and the legislation he was instrumental in passing are
> impressive.
> >>>
> >>> There are nagging questions about Nader's personal life -- by all
> >>> accounts he doesn't have one -- and they aren't addressed till
> >>> later in
> >>> the film. Even then, little time is spent on the subject.
> >> Colleagues
> >>> say he's married to his work, driven by a sense of injustice and
> a
> >>> "never give up, never give in" ethos, a form of absolutism that
> has
> >>> made him difficult to work for and harder to leave. Former
> >> employees
> >>> say he was hostile to anyone who stopped working for him.
> >>>
> >>> The film primarily focuses on how and why Nader's bid for the
> >>> presidency in 2000 antagonized even his most ardent admirers.
> Many
> >>> interviewed here are still angry.
> >>>
> >>> What makes this doc so successful is the willingness to present a
> >> wide
> >>> variety of opinions of Nader, a man who inspires intense emotions
> >> on
> >>> both sides of the aisle. Todd Gitlin, Dean of the Columbia
> >> Journalism
> >>> School, makes an impassioned case against Nader's misstep in 2000
> >> and
> >>> again in 2004. Of the former Nader's Raiders, some kept the
> faith;
> >>
> >>> some
> >>> are disillusioned, even bitter. There's a bit of levity, too.
> James
> >>> Fallows recalls Nader's attack on hot dogs, which were labeled
> >>> "missiles of death.' Clips from a "Saturday Night Live" show that
> >>> Nader
> >>> hosted are, for lack of a better word, surprising.
> >>>
> >>> Editors Alexis Provost and Beth Gallagher cut back and forth
> >> between
> >>> the talking heads so deftly that you have the illusion that Nader
> >> is
> >>> answering his critics in real time in a very lively debate.
> >>>
> >>> Copyright 2007 Hollywood Reporter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thoughtful Chronicle of Extraordinary Man
> >>>
> >>> By Dennis Harvey
> >>>
> >>> Crusading consumer advocate Ralph Nader's extraordinary career --
> >> and
> >>> the recent Presidential campaigns that cast a pall over it -- are
> >>> thoughtfully chronicled in "An Unreasonable Man." A basically
> >> admiring
> >>> if critical portrait, docu by Henriette Mantel and Stephen
> Skrovan
> >>> (strangely, both standup comics and TV comedy writer-producers)
> >> finds
> >>> more than enough absorbing material to hold interest through
> nearly
> >>> three-hour runtime. Straightforward PBS-style effort will be most
> >> at
> >>> home on the small screen.
> >>>
> >>> Hewing mostly to a chronological structure, pic at first jumps
> >>> around a
> >>> bit, glimpsing Nader's controversial last few years, skipping
> back
> >> to
> >>> his first whistle-blowing triumphs in the early- to mid-1960s,
> then
> >>> rewinding all the way to his small-town Connecticut upbringing
> >> under
> >>> the wing of a father who imbued his children with the
> >> problem-solving,
> >>> community-minded assurance that "you can fight City Hall."
> >> Resulting
> >>> activist strain was visible in Ralph early on.
> >>>
> >>> After graduating from Harvard Law School, a friend's near-fatal
> car
> >>> wreck led him toward investigation of the U.S. auto industry.
> Nader
> >>> recognized that cost-cutting design flaws and lack of safety
> >> equipment
> >>> were the true culprit in many traffic accidents. When his book
> >> "Unsafe
> >>> at Any Speed" came out in 1965, it caused a public furor that had
> >>> immediate effect, drastically improvingauto safety.
> >>>
> >>> Hoping to discredit him, General Motors had Nader spied on and
> >>> harassed, even trying sexual entrapment. (Unfortunately for them,
> >>> Nader
> >>> is a workaholic whose love life remains a mystery -- if it exists
> >> at
> >>> all -- to even his closest allies.) A subsequent $425,000
> >>> invasion-of-privacy settlement ironically provided him seed money
> >> for
> >>> even more sweeping investigations of corporate and governmental
> >>> malfeasance.
> >>>
> >>> While Nader's accomplishments are many, his is a personality that
> >>> turns
> >>> away personal glory while tempting accusations of megalomania.
> Many
> >>> collegiate "Nader's Raiders" who cut their teeth under his
> >> leadership
> >>> then moved on to public office felt the sting of his criticism
> when
> >>> their attempts to stir positive change within the
> compromise-driven
> >>> cronyism of D.C. politics failed to meet his exacting standards.
> >>>
> >>> Feeling the two-party system had turned into a one-sided
> monopoly,
> >>> Nader ran for president in 1996, 2000 and 2004. When Al Gore lost
> >> to
> >>> George W. Bush in the bitterly contested 2000 election, much rage
> >> was
> >>> directed toward Nader for "stealing" votes that might otherwise
> >> have
> >>> gone to the Demos. Four years later, when Nader ran again, few
> >>> liberals
> >>> still bought his notion that changing the overall party system
> >> trumped
> >>> choosing the lesser evil.
> >>>
> >>> While the overall portrait is of a man whose unbending sense of
> >> moral
> >>> imperative can be both admirable and exasperating, the filmmakers
> >>> clearly hope Nader's rep and accomplishments can re-emerge from
> the
> >>> ill-will his political campaigns have generated. (Co-helmer
> Mantel
> >>> worked with Nader in the late 1970s.)
> >>>
> >>> Mix of archival footage and contemporary interviews is given a
> >> smooth
> >>> editorial shape; other contribs are pro if undistinguished.
> >>>
> >>> Copyright 2006 Variety
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I want to go ASAP in this area.  Which means Friday, March 16th.
> >>>>
> >>>> NOTE: Remember the anti war rally is March 17th.
> >>>>
> >>>> And for those who may want to inform others of where the movie
> >>>> is showing, around the United States:
> >>>>
> >>>>      http://www.anunreasonableman.com/calendar.cfm
> >>>>
> >>>> I am somewhat unhappy that it seems to be showing in not very
> >>>> many places.  We should encourage as many as possible to see
> >>>> it as soon as possible, so that might encourage others to go
> >>>> see it and other theatres to show it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gerry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Andrea Dorey wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> We're fools if we don't support this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are
> divided
> >> so
> >>>>
> >>>>> badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do
> anything
> >>>>> important or at the national level because we can't do
> teamwork.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided
> we
> >>>> fall"?
> >>>>> An old truth.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andrea
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com
> >>>>>> <mailto:anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org
> >>>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us
> >>>>>> <mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>>, "Cameron Spitzer"
> >> <cls at greens.org
> >>>>
> >>>>>> <mailto:cls at greens.org>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March
> 16
> >> at
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Camera 12 Cinemas <http://www.cameracinemas.com/index.shtml>,
> >>>> located
> >>>>>> at 201 South Second Street. Show times and advanced tickets
> are
> >>>>>> available online
> >>>>>>
> <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi?cmd=bt&f=c12>or
> >>>> by
> >>>>>> phone at 408-998-3300.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org
> >>>>>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to
> >> San
> >>>>>>     Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose,
> right
> >>>> next
> >>>>>>     to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of
> third
> >>>>>>     parties is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have
> a
> >>>> young
> >>>>>>     computer guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis
> >>>> I've
> >>>>>>     ever heard of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.
> >> I'm
> >>>> sure
> >>>>>>     there are other voices out there who would concur with
> such
> >> an
> >>>>>>     analysis for that election and others.  Maybe you folks
> >> could
> >>>> get
> >>>>>>     together and design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk
> the
> >>>> idea
> >>>>>>     (over and over again) better than Nader!  It would free
> the
> >>>> Green
> >>>>>>     Party (and Nader himself)  from lingering animosity.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     Andrea Dorey
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     You are invited to the California showings of the new
> Ralph
> >>>> Nader
> >>>>>>>     documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader
> >>>> during
> >>>>>>>     the California tour for his new book The Seventeen
> >>>> Traditions.
> >>>>>>>     See schedule below.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more
> >> than
> >>>>>>>     forty on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of
> >> one
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>     the most unique, important, and controversial political
> >>>> figures
> >>>>>>>     of the past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has
> >>>> garnered
> >>>>>>>     wide critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's
> >> harshest
> >>>>>>>     critics and most eloquent supporters to create a
> compelling
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>     inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our
> >>>> times.
> >>>>>>>     Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are
> >>>>>>>     available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com
> >>>>>>>     <http://www.anunreasonableman.com/>. See below for how to
> >>>> help
> >>>>>>>     promote the film.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     The Seventeen Traditions
> >>>> <http://www.seventeentraditions.com/> is
> >>>>>>>     an unexpected and extraordinary book by Ralph Nader that
> >>>> looks
> >>>>>>>     back to the earliest days of his life, to his serene and
> >>>>>>>     enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted, Connecticut. From
> >>>>>>>     listening to learning, from patriotism to argument, Nader
> >>>>>>>     revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from his
> >>>> parents,
> >>>>>>>     his siblings, and the people in his community, and draws
> >> from
> >>>>>>>     them inspiring lessons for today's society.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday,
> >>>>>>>     February 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272
> >>>> Santa
> >>>>>>>     Monica Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be
> three
> >>>>>>>     showings daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm
> >> weekend
> >>>>>>>     matinee. On Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A
> >>>>>>>     following the 4:30 and 7:15 showings, and introduce the
> >> 9:55
> >>>> show
> >>>>>>>     on Friday only. Tickets are available at the Landmark
> Nuart
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/LosAngeles/NuartTheatre.htm>,
> >>>>>>>     or by phone at 310-281-8223.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following
> >>>> premiere
> >>>>>>>     dates:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         * Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado
> >>>>>>>           <http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9>.
> >>>>>>>         * San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere
> >> Theater
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFrancisco/
> >>> LumiereTheatre.htm>.
> >>>>>>>         * Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFranciscoEastBay/
> >>> ShattuckCinemas.htm>.
> >>>>>>>         * Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater
> >>>>>>>           <http://www.thenick.com/>.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the
> >>>>>>>     following stops:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>         * Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood
> >>>> Bookstore
> >>>>>>>           <http://www.duttonsbrentwood.com/> in Los Angeles.
> >>>>>>>         * Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> <http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com/
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
storedetail.do;jsessionid=1DAE157FD82CCA89106D112D95212F6F?store=2583>
> >>>>>>>           in Encino.
> >>>>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club
> >>>>>>>           <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/index.php> in San
> >>>> Francisco.
> >>>>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> <http://www.dominican.edu/events/lectures_ics/2007-aacmpy-1585586/
> >>> index.html>
> >>>>>>>           in San Rafael.
> >>>>>>>         * Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> <http://www.booksinc.net/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?
> >>> page=266537&s=storeinfo&>.
> >>>>>>>           at 601 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     How to help:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we
> need
> >>>> many
> >>>>>>>     committed volunteers to make it successful by:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     * Phone banking potential movie-goers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     * Selling tickets to your friends
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     Can you help us out?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at
> >> Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>     <mailto:Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com>.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     PLEASE Forward Widely



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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 08:45:41 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:45:41 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] metro ad preview
In-Reply-To: <E1HPLSm-0004i9-00@truffula>
References: <E1HPLSm-0004i9-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <E179C015-C574-4DE0-A75C-3A27AD06EAD8@cagreens.org>

Looks good, Cameron.  I like the long list of supporting groups.
Did we decide it is OK to link Impeachment with end-the-war?  Because  
it is really prominent here.
Andrea

On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

>
> From: MKmusic03 at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:46:58 EST
> Subject: Fwd: [SBM] Here's SBM's ad for the March 14th edition of  
> the Metro...
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>
> Hi All,
>
> Here is a copy of the ad on the SAn Jose March 17th anti-war rally  
> and march
> that will appear in the Metro newspaper March 14th issue and that  
> GPSCC
> donated to.
>
> Merraim
>
> The file was a little too large for distribution on a general  
> mailing list.
> See http://gandhi.greens.org/cls/metroad.jpg
>
> Cameron
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 09:06:22 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:06:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <6D8D9EB3-7515-45EE-AF56-76EDD31FE9F0@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <166698.59095.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.  I
wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party values
state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and 

Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing or what
have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county list.

Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC fashion
what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his action.  I
never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined with his
lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even where he is.

Give it a rest Roy!  There are so many REAL ISSUES we need to work on,
like getting the SCC Congressional representatives to support
impeachment.  This here is just bullshit drama and you seem to be drawn
to it.  Give it a rest!  and come on out and actually participate with
us in the many actions we are doing these days.  Don't just sit back
behind your keyboard and critique.  Come on out!
 
Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
 
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:02 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > Oh my God people!  Give it a rest and give me a break!  It's a very
> > basic principle of Greens that we believe in local autonomy.  As a
> > County Council member I'll not stand by silently when someone (who
> > didn't even initially tell us where he was from) persists in
> bombing
> > our e-list with their outsider opinion.  No I won't stand for it. 
> Its
> > not right and its not happening here.
> 
> Bombing? The man made 3 posts since December and all were
> intelligent.
> 
> > However I will take full credit
> > (as I've not been given by these critics) for coming up with an
> > eminently practical solution that allows us Greens to mutually
> support
> > each other across the country even though we are not in the same
> > locality - e-lists for CountyDev at Greens.org and  
> > Candidates at Greens.org .
> 
> I'm sure you will take full credit though if you read my reply to  
> Tian I had also suggested the possibility of county specific list as 
> 
> well. However this isn't one of them and has never had a geographical
> bias to it until you "refused to stand for it"
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> ______________________________________________
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is 
> 
> the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion  
> is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in  
> awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
> 
> Albert Einstein


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 09:24:54 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:24:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <EECD53B4-0FA3-4A31-A914-29D22FCCB05A@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <826455.21982.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>

Along the lines of what you Andie and Gerry have suggested why don't we
organize mutliple events, the first one being (when I can't personally
make it, but hey) on opening night Friday the 16th.  I might be able to
lead a group on a different day.  Let's ID leaders who can organize
each group (maybe Gerry and you being the co-leaders for the 16th). 
How does that sound?

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> You two guys would keep things hopping!
> I would love to see young Greens and more women show up for this too.
> Andrea
> 
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Duende wrote:
> 
> > I concur with Drew. Great idea Andrea. I'm putting it on my
> calendar.
> >
> > Peace
> >
> > Duende
> > '
> > ___________________________________
> > The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the
> > one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and
> > Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.
> >
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:16 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> >
> >> Oooh!  I especially like your idea Andie of discussion groups for
> >> post-movie viewing dinner fellowship!
> >>
> >> Impeach for Peace!
> >>
> >> Drew
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 09:26:28 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:26:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] NM Impeachment Resolution in Solid 5-1 Victory in
	Senate Judiciary Committee - Heads to Floor Vote
Message-ID: <570073.42341.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

From:	"Nancy Allen" <nallen at prexar.com>  Add to Address Book  Add
Mobile Alert
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Subject:	 [usgp-media] Fw: NM Impeachment Resolution in Solid 5-1
Victory in Senate Judiciary Committee - Heads to Floor Vote
Date:	 Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:02:29 -0500

From: jwzlawson at cybermesa.com 
March 6, 2007

Mother Media Advisory - For Immediate Release
Contact: Leland Lehrman (505) 982-3609

NM Impeachment Resolution in Solid 5-1 Victory in Senate Judiciary
Committee - Floor Vote Imminent

In what may be a national first, a State-initiated impeachment
resolution against the President and Vice-President of the United
States has reached the floor of a State Senate. Drawing support from
hundreds of supremely dedicated citizens willing to wait hours on both
weekends and weekdays for the opportunity to speak, the five Democrats
present on the New Mexico Senate Judiciary Committee, voted in favor
without doubt or hesitation. No audience member spoke against.

Former Congresswoman Liz Holtzman's expert witness testimony appeared
via videotape and was enormously influential due to her standing as a
member of the Judiciary Committee that begain impeachment proceedings
against Richard Nixon.

Senator Rod Adair, the sole Republican willing to answer the charges
made a best effort to deny them, but was ultimately unconvincing.
Predictably citing the now suspect war powers of the Executive Branch
and claiming that the United States is the guardian of the free world
against fascism and totalitarianism, Senator Adair used the propaganda
term Islamofascists to vilify America's opponents in the Middle East
and justify the ongoing wars. No Democrat attempted to refute Senator
Adair's position, but the hour was late and their vote said it all.

The resolution now goes to the Senate floor where the vote is expected
to be close. Majority Leader Michael Sanchez, who controls the floor
schedule, voted solidly without comment for the Resolution in
Judiciary and recently stated to the press that he expects the measure
to pass in a party line vote. However, Democratic Senators John Arthur
Smith and Shannon Robinson have declared their hesitance to vote for
the measure and Senator Tim Jennings and Phil Griego remain
uncommitted. There is some question as to whether or not the vote must
pass with a majority of the Senate (22 yes votes) or a majority of
those present. Authorities on the Rules of the New Mexico Legislature
are working on the question but believe that a majority of those
present will suffice.

###

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 09:34:25 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:34:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Feminist Issues Group - FIG (was Re: Global
	warming is human rights issue: Nobel nominee)
In-Reply-To: <78FB8574-EABF-462A-8EFF-0FC6D9D788C8@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <876793.54477.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

Andie that's an AWESOME IDEA!!!  I'll totally back that.  Let's
schedule it.  When do you think?  Merriam will be interested too I
think.  AND REMEMBER we're trying to get AT LEAST two more women on the
County Council.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

PS. Here's the info I mentioned to you re: FIG the SF Greens' Feminist
Issues Group:
 
http://www.sfgreenparty.org/workinggroups/indivworkgroup.gem?wgidx=4&action=homepage

Feminist Issues Working Group Home Page
Last Modified: 02/20/07 By: FIG

FEMINISM IS ONE OF THE 10 KEY VALUES OF THE GREEN PARTY. 


The Feminist Issues Group (FIG) of the San Francisco Green Party
strives to define why feminism is important to Greens and to promote
Green feminism in all realms of Green Party activities and in our
lives.

FIG usually meets on the first Thursday of the month at 6:30 p.m. at
Wild Awakenings Caf?, 142 McAllister near Hyde, in San Francisco. For
information about the MARCH meeting date, time and location, please
contact Vicki Leidner, Chairperson at vleidner at rcn.com for details and
exact location. Newcomers and non-Greens are welcome to drop in. 


-----


THE GOALS OF FIG ARE TO:

Create linkages with other Green women and progressive women;
Build progressive coalitions;
Promote the need for, and develop, female leadership and candidates;
Educate Party members and the community about feminist values
Expand the notion of women's rights/women's issues to include social
justice, economic justice and environmental justice issues;
Work to broaden the debate and understanding of the wholesale attack
taking place against women's rights and sexual politics in the world
today, including attacks on women's health and reproductive rights, gay
and lesbian rights, Title IX, public assistance and other issues.
FIG advocates for stronger local, state and national policy initiatives
affecting women's rights; increasing the visibility and leadership of
progressive women; and helping to secure electoral victories and
political appointments for progressive women.

FIG also endorses and actively participates in local organizing
efforts, public mobilizations and coalition-building efforts to improve
the status of women.

And finally, FIG produces educational and awareness raising events
designed to build bridges among political women and encourage their
active participation in local politics.

For more information, please contact: 
Vicki Leidner, Co-Chair, vleidner at rcn.com 


--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> Drew,
> Thanks for including this material.
> 
> Did you hear actor Geena Davis this AM on Democracy Now talking about
>  
> the lack of female characters in the media, especially for very young
>  
> children?  She has taken an interest in this due to her having had a 
> 
> daughter and two twin sons in recent years.
> 
> Her talk really blew me away.  It needs to be heard by GP women, as  
> her statements carried a lot of healing for those of us who diet,  
> surgically alter ourselves, and secretly hate our bodies (some kids  
> today are CUTTING themselves!).  What she has acknowledged is the  
> POWER of the media and, although in the business, really had not  
> realized just how powerful they are!  She demonstrates it by using  
> personal anecdotes in this talk.
> 
> You were discussing the possibility of getting GP women together in a
>  
> group--I think it is a worthy cause.  I'd like to get a copy of this 
> 
> material (above) and perhaps Fred would be interested in sponsoring a
>  
> showing?  I think men should be interested, too, because they are not
>  
> unaffected by media images.  If women are unconscious of the damage  
> done to themselves, how could men know of it--or of that done to  
> themselves as well?
> 
> This would be a great  kickoff in getting women together and getting 
> 
> women to see the GP in a new light (as advocate).
> 
> What do you think?
> Andrea
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 4, 2007, at 7:15 PM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070304/ts_nm/globalwarming_rights_dc
> >
> > [So in addition to being an impeachable offense...]
> >
> > Global warming is human rights issue: Nobel nominee
> > By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent Sun Mar 4, 9:03 AM
> ET
> > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - It sounds like a sick joke about global  
> > warming,
> > with a series of horrible punch lines:
> >
> > How hot is it? So hot that Inuit people around the Arctic Circle
> are
> > using air conditioners for the first time. And running out of the
> > hard-packed snow they need to build igloos. And falling through  
> > melting
> > ice when they hunt.
> >
> > These circumstances are the current results of global climate
> change,
> > according to Nobel Peace Prize nominee Sheila Watt-Cloutier, an
> Inuit
> > born inside the Canadian Arctic, who maintains this constitutes a
> > violation of human rights for indigenous people in low-lying areas
> > throughout the world.
> >
> > Watt-Cloutier and Martin Wagner, an attorney with the environmental
>  
> > law
> > firm Earthjustice, argued this case on Thursday before the
> > Inter-American Commission on Human Rights of the Organization of
> > American States in Washington.
> >
> > "We weren't going to go to court," Watt-Cloutier said in a
> telephone
> > interview after her testimony to the commission. "It wasn't about
> > lawsuits and suing for damage or compensation.
> >
> > "It was more about really trying to get the world to pay attention
> and
> > see this as a human rights issue."
> >
> > Their best hope is that the commission will write a report on this
> > issue, though even getting a hearing in Washington is a victory of
> > sorts. The commission earlier rejected a petition to hear about  
> > alleged
> > rights violations based solely on U.S. emissions of greenhouse
> gases.
> >
> > The human rights commission has scant powers and can do little more
> > than publicize its findings and propose a resolution to the
> 35-member
> > organization.
> >
> > In her address to the panel, Watt-Cloutier acknowledged the
> challenge
> > of connecting climate change and human rights, but noted a
> practical
> > purpose for protecting the people she called "the sentinels of
> climate
> > change."
> >
> > ENVIRONMENTAL EARLY-WARNING SYSTEM
> >
> > "By protecting the rights of those living sustainably in the Amazon
> > Basin or the rights of the Inuit hunter on the snow and ice, this
> > commission will also be preserving the world's environmental
> > early-warning system."
> >
> > Watt-Cloutier reckons there are millions of such environmental
> > sentinels at risk, ranging from the Inuit to residents of low-lying
> > islands that are subject to sea level rise caused by melting ice
> > sheets.
> >
> > They chose the Organization of American States as a forum because
> two
> > of the countries where Inuit communities live -- the United States
> and
> > Canada -- are members. Inuit also live in Russia and Greenland.
> >
> > For Inuit communities, ice and snow are intrinsic to physical and
> > cultural survival, Watt-Cloutier said after the hearing. Even the
> > building of igloos is under threat.
> >
> > "You can just imagine the brilliance and the genius and the
> ingenuity
> > of building a home out of snow, warm enough to have your baby sleep
> > in," she said. "And now all of that is starting to leave because
> snow
> > conditions are so changed."
> >
> > Many Inuit live in more conventional buildings, which are
> constructed
> > mainly to keep the cold out. Unfortunately, with longer and warmer
> > summers with 24-hour-a-day sunlight, this has turned many into
> ovens,
> > Watt-Cloutier said. For the first time, air conditioners are in use
> in
> > the Arctic.
> >
> > Seasoned Inuit hunters used to be able to tell where the ice was
> safe,
> > but because warmer seas have started to melt sea ice from its
> > underside, even the most experienced hunters find it hard to gauge,
>  
> > and
> > some fall through, she said.
> >
> > "The glaciers are melting so quickly that where our hunters used to
> be
> > able to cross safely, now it's so unsafe that it's become torrent
> > rivers ... and we've had a drowning as a result of that as well,"
> she
> > said.
> >
> > Watt-Cloutier quoted a hunter in Barrow, Alaska, to sum up the
> impact
> > climate change has had on Inuit life: "There's lots of anxieties
> and
> > angers that are being felt by some of the hunters that no longer  
> > can go
> > and hunt. We see the change, but we can't stop it, we can't explain
>  
> > why
> > it's changing. ... Our way of life is changing up here, our ocean  
> > is changing."
> >
> > ___________________
> >
> > JamBoi
> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> >
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Thu Mar  8 09:36:27 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:36:27 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
Message-ID: <E1HPMXT-00059m-00@truffula>


The highway near me makes a continuous rushing roar.
If you stand on the bridge and listen to it, the components
are tire noise on concrete, diesel trucks, and thousands
of poorly streamlined cars rushing through the air.
Motorcycles are not a factor.  The point sources of noise
in my neighborhood are leaf blowers and delivery trucks,
and my neighbor's screaming gas-powered radio-controlled
model cars.  Downtown, the biggest problem by far is jet
planes.  Maybe motorcycle noise is the problem in particular
neighborhoods, but I've never been in one.

I suspect the noise that does the most damage to the
most people is loud machinery (including music systems)
at the workplace (bars, nightclubs, trucks, construction
sites, factories), and music players that plug the ear
canal and apply a hundred milliwatts of noise directly to
the eardrum.  I've been in too many bars where you can't
scream loud enough into someone's ear for them to hear
you.  An eight hour shift in that environment is going
to do damage.  Calling it music and exposing yourself
to it voluntarily doesn't make it any less dangerous.
Makes my ears ring just to think about it.

A petition against motorcycle noise in particular would be
a real good way to alienate motorcyclists against the Green
Party.  Off road vehicle clubs are a favorite trojan horse
for "Wise Use" antienvironment groups.  I'd rather not
give them a great big stick to hit us with.  Not without
some significant gain to trade it for, and especially when
motorcycles are hardly the major source of noise pollution.
I'd rather see that effort go into holding employers
accountable for hearing loss on the job.


Cameron





From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 09:39:15 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:39:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
In-Reply-To: <77646F96-3174-49B4-B197-26905BD4940B@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <164433.56173.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

Great idea!  Of course in each community we have code enforcement
officers that immediately address individual problems as they arise and
are complained about.  But I love the fact that PA has banned (again)
the use of the gas-powered leaf blowers partly because of their
incredibly obnoxious noise pollution.  Right on Roy!  Let's work on
Noise Pollution!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> As many of you know, I'm a motorcyclist and love my sport. However  
> I'm totally put off by the tremendously loud bikes(and some cars)  
> that shatter the peace on a continuous basis. I have yet to meet  
> anyone not riding one of these machines who feels much differently  
> than I do. How can one start a petition to limit this. (or enforce  
> existing laws maybe) Locally for starters and statewide eventually.
> 
> Also, considering the reception I've gotten to this issue it would  
> probably behoove the Green Party as a whole to push this. We sure can
>  
> use the press.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> ________________________________________________________
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> they'll kill you."
> 
>      Oscar Wilde
> 
> 
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar  8 09:58:30 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:58:30 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
In-Reply-To: <E1HPMXT-00059m-00@truffula>
References: <E1HPMXT-00059m-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <D3ACFBBB-66D0-4420-9063-7F76EAC1E076@duendevision.com>

Hi Cameron

I appreciate what your saying about the hiway noise and all the other  
forms of noise. I once had extraordinary hearing which is now about  
average because of the noise made by a banks computer room and the  
check sorting machines back in the 70's.

My experience with motorcycle noises is from touring the country on  
motorcycle and talking to people about it. There may be a larger  
audience than you think. I was surprised at the responses and the  
frustration.

Also I don't think it's wise to shy away from an issue because it's  
deemed unpopular and that "Wise Use" groups (a distortion if I ever  
saw one) are smarter at naming them selves than we are. Their gains  
are short lived where as we're going for the long term. What we all  
know will be inevitable but at what price before that inevitability  
occurs.

Peace

Duende



______________________________________________
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is  
the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion  
is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in  
awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein


On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

>
> The highway near me makes a continuous rushing roar.
> If you stand on the bridge and listen to it, the components
> are tire noise on concrete, diesel trucks, and thousands
> of poorly streamlined cars rushing through the air.
> Motorcycles are not a factor.  The point sources of noise
> in my neighborhood are leaf blowers and delivery trucks,
> and my neighbor's screaming gas-powered radio-controlled
> model cars.  Downtown, the biggest problem by far is jet
> planes.  Maybe motorcycle noise is the problem in particular
> neighborhoods, but I've never been in one.
>
> I suspect the noise that does the most damage to the
> most people is loud machinery (including music systems)
> at the workplace (bars, nightclubs, trucks, construction
> sites, factories), and music players that plug the ear
> canal and apply a hundred milliwatts of noise directly to
> the eardrum.  I've been in too many bars where you can't
> scream loud enough into someone's ear for them to hear
> you.  An eight hour shift in that environment is going
> to do damage.  Calling it music and exposing yourself
> to it voluntarily doesn't make it any less dangerous.
> Makes my ears ring just to think about it.
>
> A petition against motorcycle noise in particular would be
> a real good way to alienate motorcyclists against the Green
> Party.  Off road vehicle clubs are a favorite trojan horse
> for "Wise Use" antienvironment groups.  I'd rather not
> give them a great big stick to hit us with.  Not without
> some significant gain to trade it for, and especially when
> motorcycles are hardly the major source of noise pollution.
> I'd rather see that effort go into holding employers
> accountable for hearing loss on the job.
>
>
> Cameron
>
>
>
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> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss



From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Mar  8 10:09:47 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:09:47 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nuclear Thaw
Message-ID: <45F0516B.4050609@charter.net>

I call attention to my California Greening post today re: Nuclear Thaw.  
At least, the Assemblyman who sponsored the AB 719 (or his staff) caught 
the post in less than an hour and I had a reply.

http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2007/03/nuclear-thaw.html

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar  8 10:27:28 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:27:28 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <166698.59095.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <166698.59095.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F5ED11F6-6E2F-48AD-A74B-EF269F5FB211@duendevision.com>


_________________________________________________________________
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part  
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and  
feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical  
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for  
us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few  
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this  
prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living  
creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

Albert Einstein


On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.

Drew

NOT

Here's a quote from the SC Green website:

"email lists
The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
relevant to the Green Party."

Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not the  
Santa Clara Greens.



> I
> wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party values
> state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
>
> Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing or what
> have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county list.

Please reference above.

>
> Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC fashion
> what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his action.  I
> never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
> 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined with his
> lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even where he  
> is.

In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable with  
yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable censoring  
him. However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to  
discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration  
after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand  
for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want however  
it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your statements.  
Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the area  
again.

> Give it a rest Roy!  There are so many REAL ISSUES we need to work on,
> like getting the SCC Congressional representatives to support
> impeachment.  This here is just bullshit drama and you seem to be  
> drawn
> to it.  Give it a rest!  and come on out and actually participate with
> us in the many actions we are doing these days.  Don't just sit back
> behind your keyboard and critique.  Come on out!

Drew.. again you're using a lot of energy charged words, Quite  
truthfully I came close to pointing out your drama and repeated  
character assassination when it came to Mark and now I see it  
directed at me. And again, you imply that I should come out from  
behind my keyboard and participate. If it wasn't for this thread and  
the one I started concerning the reply to field (of which I've  
misdirected 4 emails today already doubling on others inboxes (make  
that 5..I just double posted this)) I might have posted  1/2 dozen  
emails to this list. Not quite sitting behind the keyboard. I do lots  
of pro bono work in my production work..one of them was for the Gren  
PArty of whcih you were supposed to do something usefull with the  
video I shot. I pointed out once befre that you've done nothing to  
get this video from me and certsinly the timeliness of it is well  
past. So please don't suggest to me that I should get involved.

Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the way  
it had with a member of this list being told how and where they could  
post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing so.

I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to stir  
some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do the  
right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather fuzzy.

Peace

Duende





>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:02 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> Oh my God people!  Give it a rest and give me a break!  It's a very
>>> basic principle of Greens that we believe in local autonomy.  As a
>>> County Council member I'll not stand by silently when someone (who
>>> didn't even initially tell us where he was from) persists in
>> bombing
>>> our e-list with their outsider opinion.  No I won't stand for it.
>> Its
>>> not right and its not happening here.
>>
>> Bombing? The man made 3 posts since December and all were
>> intelligent.
>>
>>> However I will take full credit
>>> (as I've not been given by these critics) for coming up with an
>>> eminently practical solution that allows us Greens to mutually
>> support
>>> each other across the country even though we are not in the same
>>> locality - e-lists for CountyDev at Greens.org and
>>> Candidates at Greens.org .
>>
>> I'm sure you will take full credit though if you read my reply to
>> Tian I had also suggested the possibility of county specific list as
>>
>> well. However this isn't one of them and has never had a geographical
>> bias to it until you "refused to stand for it"
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> Duende
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is
>>
>> the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion
>> is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in
>> awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
>>
>> Albert Einstein
>
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  8 13:04:49 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:04:49 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
References: <E1HPMXT-00059m-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <45F07A71.3090406@earthlink.net>


I went to college in Cambridge, Mass. (1965-1969).  Cambridge
is urban.  Occasionally I would walk to parent's house in a
suburban / semi-rural environment, and get there rather late.
I would have trouble getting to sleep because it was so quiet
at their house and it NEVER (hardly ever?) is quiet in an
urban environment.

Like a fish who is unaware of the water around, people are
unware of what is constantly around until it goes away.
I thought Boston's air was clean until we had a blizzard and
automobile traffic was restricted to emergency usage for five
days, and I saw what a large difference that 5 days made to
the air. ... People thought that air traffic made little
difference to the weather until after seeing the difference
that the 3 day, post 9/11, commercial air traffic ban made.

I consider noise pollution to be a serious problem, and I
agree that automobiles are the major source.  I guess I am
more sensitive to that because I sometimes will not hear a
noise my bicycle makes for many miles, until I am somewhere
where there is no car around for a few seconds.

I don't know how the automobile noise breaks down into its
components (engine / air turbulence / wheels on the ground).
I suspect that significant reduction of noise would require
significant reduction in speed, and what would that take?!?
Or you could try putting it all underground, and that would
cost a LOT.  (Even the sound walls next to freeways are not
cheap.)

I agree motorcycles are minor.

Gerry




Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

> The highway near me makes a continuous rushing roar.
> If you stand on the bridge and listen to it, the components
> are tire noise on concrete, diesel trucks, and thousands
> of poorly streamlined cars rushing through the air.
> Motorcycles are not a factor.  The point sources of noise


<clip>




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  8 13:23:11 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:23:11 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Emergency Summit to Prevent War with Iran,
	March 10, UC Berkeley]
Message-ID: <45F07EBF.5010900@earthlink.net>


I received the email below inviting us (GPSCC) to participate
in this anti Iran War event:

     http://handsoffiran.org/

I recommend that the GPSCC do participate.  I will try to go.
I consider that an attack on Iran would be a greater disaster
than the Iraq War.

I notice that the participating organizations already include
* Santa Clara County Democratic Central Committee
* San Francisco Green Party
* Women's International League for Peace and Freedom
* Peninsula Peace and Justice Center
* Global Exchange
* South Bay Mobilization
(and others)

Daniel Ellsberg (one of my few heroes) will be there.

Is anyone opposed to GPSCC participation?

I will ask for the County Council to vote on this.

Gerry



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Emergency Summit to Prevent War with Iran, March 10, UC Berkeley
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:39:00 -0700
From: Arash Alavi <arash at handsoffiran.org>
To: ggras at cagreens.org

Hi Gerry,

We have organized an emergency summit on the
looming war on Iran, and wanted to invite you to
participate.

We currently do not have many participants from
the local Green Party groups. The only participant
so far is the San Francisco Green Party.

You can find out more about the summit here:

    http://handsoffiran.org

At the bottom of the page, you'll see the current
list of organizations which are attending.

Sorry for the short notice. This is being done in
a short time frame.


Cheers,
- Arash

handsoffiran.org








From fredd at freeshell.org  Thu Mar  8 13:58:49 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:58:49 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
In-Reply-To: <E1HPMXT-00059m-00@truffula>
References: <E1HPMXT-00059m-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <45F08719.1070206@freeshell.org>

Our 2nd story bedroom is about 30 feet from Moffett Blvd. in Mountain 
View.  We have developed, somewhat, a noise tolerance mentality.

However, when we have our windows open (03/15 - 11/01) the traffic 
noises can become rather disconcerting.  Trucks, buses and motorcycles 
are especially loud. There is one motorcycle with a very high RPM that 
quite regularily accelorates past our windows late in the night, at 
about the time one has just dosed off. 
">*'#/~`*!*?/"x^*~>|\@^*%*%#`~*;*-<-#x!"

When we are away and staying in a very quiet bedroom or motel, going to 
sleep is a problem - because the damn sheep are so noisy!

Fred


I went to college in Cambridge, Mass. (1965-1969).  Cambridge
is urban.  Occasionally I would walk to parent's house in a
suburban / semi-rural environment, and get there rather late.
I would have trouble getting to sleep because it was so quiet
at their house and it NEVER (hardly ever?) is quiet in an
urban environment.

Like a fish who is unaware of the water around, people are
unware of what is constantly around until it goes away.
I thought Boston's air was clean until we had a blizzard and
automobile traffic was restricted to emergency usage for five
days, and I saw what a large difference that 5 days made to
the air. ... People thought that air traffic made little
difference to the weather until after seeing the difference
that the 3 day, post 9/11, commercial air traffic ban made.

I consider noise pollution to be a serious problem, and I
agree that automobiles are the major source.  I guess I am
more sensitive to that because I sometimes will not hear a
noise my bicycle makes for many miles, until I am somewhere
where there is no car around for a few seconds.

I don't know how the automobile noise breaks down into its
components (engine / air turbulence / wheels on the ground).
I suspect that significant reduction of noise would require
significant reduction in speed, and what would that take?!?
Or you could try putting it all underground, and that would
cost a LOT.  (Even the sound walls next to freeways are not
cheap.)

I agree motorcycles are minor.

Gerry




Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

> The highway near me makes a continuous rushing roar.
> If you stand on the bridge and listen to it, the components
> are tire noise on concrete, diesel trucks, and thousands
> of poorly streamlined cars rushing through the air.
> Motorcycles are not a factor.  The point sources of noise


<clip>


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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 15:01:13 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:01:13 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Times Set for An Unreasonable Man???
References: <bd5.af453b2.3321988e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B38147CD-0065-451E-B6A7-EA8AEB9156B2@cagreens.org>

FYI.
Andrea

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Cameracinema at aol.com
> Date: March 8, 2007 8:49:18 AM PST
> To: spinnstr at wrytor.com
> Subject: Re: Times Set for An Unreasonable Man???
>
> we won't have the actual times until tuesday morning, but it will  
> be showing 4 times a day for one week  . .
>
>
> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's  
> free from AOL at AOL.com.

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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 15:31:31 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:31:31 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <458100.8111.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <458100.8111.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C6A7CBF-C340-45B8-9E12-BA51389B3B86@cagreens.org>


On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:45 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> I actually don't see much in the way of 'divisions' in the Green
> Parties.  All across the nation, Greens are united in wanting to
> support Green Parties, home grown, promoted from within candidates  
> that
> will support and grow the Green Parties to where we are a viable and
> vital opposition party.
>
> The reason I think its such a great idea is more because just
> connecting with other Greens, other leaning Greens

> (or even just
> Naderites whether they be Greens or no),

Do you refer to Cobb voters as Cobbites?
Or this epithet only for those you don't agree with?

> is super important and that is
> largely where our growth will come from.  It also gives us a sense  
> of a
> portion of our history.  Legacy is important.  One must understand
> where we've been in order to learn and move forward.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
>
> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
>
>> I think it could be very useful and it would give up a close-up view
>>
>> of how and what others in the party are thinking.  It might help us
>> overcome some of the divisions.  Who knows?
>> Andrea
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:16 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> Oooh!  I especially like your idea Andie of discussion groups for
>>> post-movie viewing dinner fellowship!
>>>
>>> Impeach for Peace!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I sent an email to camera12 enquiring about times;
>>>> I also called Ron Regalia, the office manager, at his office
>>>> 408-998-3022 x10;
>>>> and from that I obtained his cell phone and called that
>> 408-786-7323.
>>>> No contact yet, but left messages that asked if any times had been
>>>> set yet, and thanked them for showing the movie.
>>>>
>>>> We could start a flurry right now just by queries and by letting
>> them
>>>>
>>>> know that each of us is from a group that wants to go as a group.
>>>> So if you call the general number first to leave a message to that
>>>> effect first, you will give the impression that they are going to
>> be
>>>>
>>>> swamped!!!
>>>> Good luck, all.
>>>> And thanks for taking this up.
>>>>
>>>> Even is Nader isn't your favorite politician (for whatever
>> reason), I
>>>>
>>>> think this movie is going to be very interesting!
>>>> I'm in favor of setting a group date and time and then set another
>>>> for those who couldn't go to the first one.
>>>> Maybe a discussion group to compare notes over dinner?  Lunch?
>>>> Andrea
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:14 PM, JamBoi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So it opens on Friday March 16th, and the Camera 12 downtown SJ
>> web
>>>>> site (details about the movie from their web site below) do not
>>>>> state a
>>>>> time yet.  Could someone call them and see if they have a time
>> set?
>>>>>
>>>>> As regards the 16th that might not be my first choice because we
>>>> have
>>>>> our weekly Friday night impeachment vigil happening at 5:30-7 and
>>>> on
>>>>> the 16th Christian Witness for Peace  will have a special service
>>>> over
>>>>> at Sunnyvale Presbyterian in honor of the third anniversary of
>> the
>>>>> martyrdom of Rachel Corrie who was killed in Gaza Palestine by an
>>>>> Israeli bulldozer driver.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition's Weekly Impeachment
>>>>> Vigil
>>>>>         5:30-7P
>>>>>         Location: Castro and El Camino
>>>>>
>>>>>         Christian Witness for Peace
>>>>>   	Time: Friday, March 16, 2007   @  7:00 PM - 9:00 PM
>>>>>   	Location: Sunnyvale Presbyterian,
>>>>>         728 W. Fremont Ave, Sunnyvale CA 94087, Building 300
>>>>>         Phone: 408/739-1892
>>>>>
>>>>>         	
>>>>> Coming Soon
>>>>> An Unreasonable Man
>>>>> Opens 3/16/2007
>>>>> Coming to:	  	Camera 12 Downtown
>>>>>
>>>>> Director: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan
>>>>>
>>>>> Synopsis: Henriette Mantel and Steve Skrovan trace the life of
>>>> career
>>>>> of famed consumer advocate Ralph Nader, from the General Motors
>>>> smear
>>>>> campaign that launched his fame in 1966, to the 2000 presidential
>>>>> election, where his independent candidacy was blamed by many for
>>>>> putting George W. Bush in the White House. Without ever holding
>>>> public
>>>>> office, Nader has built a legislative record that is the rival of
>>>> any
>>>>> contemporary president, having been responsible for such
>>>>> innovations as
>>>>> seat belts, airbags and product labeling. "Thoughtful and
>> smoothly
>>>>> edited, this is an absorbing chronicle of an extraordinary
>>>>> career."--Variety.
>>>>>
>>>>> Running Time: 122 Minutes
>>>>> (plus 8-10 minutes of trailers)
>>>>>
>>>>> Official Web Site:
>>>>> http://www.anunreasonableman.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> MPAA Rating: NR
>>>>>
>>>>> No Free Passes, But Discount Cards O.K.
>>>>> Reviews: Smooth and Balanced Profile
>>>>>
>>>>> By Sura Wood
>>>>>
>>>>> PARK CITY -- A heroic crusader to some and the spoiler who
>> betrayed
>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> Democratic Party to others, Ralph Nader emerges as a dedicated,
>>>>> controversial and flawed figure in the documentary, "An
>>>> Unreasonable
>>>>> Man."
>>>>>
>>>>> Filmmakers Henriette Mantel, who once worked for Nader, and Steve
>>>>> Skrovan, smoothly integrate reams of material, dozens of
>> insightful
>>>>> interviews as well as archival news footage and, without the use
>> of
>>>> a
>>>>> narrator, present a coherent, balanced picture of a lightning rod
>>>> in
>>>>> the political arena.
>>>>>
>>>>> The film starts in 1966 when Nader is launched to prominence
>> after
>>>> he
>>>>> riles General Motors with his attacks on car safety. He accused
>> the
>>>>> automobile industry of selling "psychosexual dreamboats."
>>>>>
>>>>> Mantel and Skrovan showcase Nader's tireless, forceful advocacy
>> for
>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> rights of the little guy and his own causes, which ranged from
>>>>> transportation safety to drug labeling and clean air. He fought
>> the
>>>>
>>>>> big
>>>>> boys and usually won. The list of organizations he founded or
>>>>> sponsored
>>>>> and the legislation he was instrumental in passing are
>> impressive.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are nagging questions about Nader's personal life -- by all
>>>>> accounts he doesn't have one -- and they aren't addressed till
>>>>> later in
>>>>> the film. Even then, little time is spent on the subject.
>>>> Colleagues
>>>>> say he's married to his work, driven by a sense of injustice and
>> a
>>>>> "never give up, never give in" ethos, a form of absolutism that
>> has
>>>>> made him difficult to work for and harder to leave. Former
>>>> employees
>>>>> say he was hostile to anyone who stopped working for him.
>>>>>
>>>>> The film primarily focuses on how and why Nader's bid for the
>>>>> presidency in 2000 antagonized even his most ardent admirers.
>> Many
>>>>> interviewed here are still angry.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes this doc so successful is the willingness to present a
>>>> wide
>>>>> variety of opinions of Nader, a man who inspires intense emotions
>>>> on
>>>>> both sides of the aisle. Todd Gitlin, Dean of the Columbia
>>>> Journalism
>>>>> School, makes an impassioned case against Nader's misstep in 2000
>>>> and
>>>>> again in 2004. Of the former Nader's Raiders, some kept the
>> faith;
>>>>
>>>>> some
>>>>> are disillusioned, even bitter. There's a bit of levity, too.
>> James
>>>>> Fallows recalls Nader's attack on hot dogs, which were labeled
>>>>> "missiles of death.' Clips from a "Saturday Night Live" show that
>>>>> Nader
>>>>> hosted are, for lack of a better word, surprising.
>>>>>
>>>>> Editors Alexis Provost and Beth Gallagher cut back and forth
>>>> between
>>>>> the talking heads so deftly that you have the illusion that Nader
>>>> is
>>>>> answering his critics in real time in a very lively debate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Copyright 2007 Hollywood Reporter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughtful Chronicle of Extraordinary Man
>>>>>
>>>>> By Dennis Harvey
>>>>>
>>>>> Crusading consumer advocate Ralph Nader's extraordinary career --
>>>> and
>>>>> the recent Presidential campaigns that cast a pall over it -- are
>>>>> thoughtfully chronicled in "An Unreasonable Man." A basically
>>>> admiring
>>>>> if critical portrait, docu by Henriette Mantel and Stephen
>> Skrovan
>>>>> (strangely, both standup comics and TV comedy writer-producers)
>>>> finds
>>>>> more than enough absorbing material to hold interest through
>> nearly
>>>>> three-hour runtime. Straightforward PBS-style effort will be most
>>>> at
>>>>> home on the small screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hewing mostly to a chronological structure, pic at first jumps
>>>>> around a
>>>>> bit, glimpsing Nader's controversial last few years, skipping
>> back
>>>> to
>>>>> his first whistle-blowing triumphs in the early- to mid-1960s,
>> then
>>>>> rewinding all the way to his small-town Connecticut upbringing
>>>> under
>>>>> the wing of a father who imbued his children with the
>>>> problem-solving,
>>>>> community-minded assurance that "you can fight City Hall."
>>>> Resulting
>>>>> activist strain was visible in Ralph early on.
>>>>>
>>>>> After graduating from Harvard Law School, a friend's near-fatal
>> car
>>>>> wreck led him toward investigation of the U.S. auto industry.
>> Nader
>>>>> recognized that cost-cutting design flaws and lack of safety
>>>> equipment
>>>>> were the true culprit in many traffic accidents. When his book
>>>> "Unsafe
>>>>> at Any Speed" came out in 1965, it caused a public furor that had
>>>>> immediate effect, drastically improvingauto safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hoping to discredit him, General Motors had Nader spied on and
>>>>> harassed, even trying sexual entrapment. (Unfortunately for them,
>>>>> Nader
>>>>> is a workaholic whose love life remains a mystery -- if it exists
>>>> at
>>>>> all -- to even his closest allies.) A subsequent $425,000
>>>>> invasion-of-privacy settlement ironically provided him seed money
>>>> for
>>>>> even more sweeping investigations of corporate and governmental
>>>>> malfeasance.
>>>>>
>>>>> While Nader's accomplishments are many, his is a personality that
>>>>> turns
>>>>> away personal glory while tempting accusations of megalomania.
>> Many
>>>>> collegiate "Nader's Raiders" who cut their teeth under his
>>>> leadership
>>>>> then moved on to public office felt the sting of his criticism
>> when
>>>>> their attempts to stir positive change within the
>> compromise-driven
>>>>> cronyism of D.C. politics failed to meet his exacting standards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feeling the two-party system had turned into a one-sided
>> monopoly,
>>>>> Nader ran for president in 1996, 2000 and 2004. When Al Gore lost
>>>> to
>>>>> George W. Bush in the bitterly contested 2000 election, much rage
>>>> was
>>>>> directed toward Nader for "stealing" votes that might otherwise
>>>> have
>>>>> gone to the Demos. Four years later, when Nader ran again, few
>>>>> liberals
>>>>> still bought his notion that changing the overall party system
>>>> trumped
>>>>> choosing the lesser evil.
>>>>>
>>>>> While the overall portrait is of a man whose unbending sense of
>>>> moral
>>>>> imperative can be both admirable and exasperating, the filmmakers
>>>>> clearly hope Nader's rep and accomplishments can re-emerge from
>> the
>>>>> ill-will his political campaigns have generated. (Co-helmer
>> Mantel
>>>>> worked with Nader in the late 1970s.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mix of archival footage and contemporary interviews is given a
>>>> smooth
>>>>> editorial shape; other contribs are pro if undistinguished.
>>>>>
>>>>> Copyright 2006 Variety
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to go ASAP in this area.  Which means Friday, March 16th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOTE: Remember the anti war rally is March 17th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And for those who may want to inform others of where the movie
>>>>>> is showing, around the United States:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      http://www.anunreasonableman.com/calendar.cfm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am somewhat unhappy that it seems to be showing in not very
>>>>>> many places.  We should encourage as many as possible to see
>>>>>> it as soon as possible, so that might encourage others to go
>>>>>> see it and other theatres to show it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrea Dorey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're fools if we don't support this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we gang up on Nader and show that we progressives are
>> divided
>>>> so
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> badly, the bad guys need never fear us.  We'll never do
>> anything
>>>>>>> important or at the national level because we can't do
>> teamwork.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is our chance to show a united front.  Remember "divided
>> we
>>>>>> fall"?
>>>>>>> An old truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "A. Wodin-Schwartz" <anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:anunreasonableman.ca at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: March 6, 2007 1:11:36 PM PST
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: "Andrea Dorey" <andid at cagreens.org
>>>>>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us
>>>>>>>> <mailto:cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>>, "Cameron Spitzer"
>>>> <cls at greens.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:cls at greens.org>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Nader Movie & Book, California Appearances
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great news! It is playing in San Jose. It will open on March
>> 16
>>>> at
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Camera 12 Cinemas <http://www.cameracinemas.com/index.shtml>,
>>>>>> located
>>>>>>>> at 201 South Second Street. Show times and advanced tickets
>> are
>>>>>>>> available online
>>>>>>>>
>> <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi?cmd=bt&f=c12>or
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> phone at 408-998-3300.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/18/07, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>> <mailto:andid at cagreens.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     San Jose has a million people.  Why waste THREE visits to
>>>> San
>>>>>>>>     Francisco when one of those could be here in San Jose,
>> right
>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>     to the Sunnyvale/Palo Alto heart of Silicon Valley?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     One of the best gifts Nader could give the concept of
>> third
>>>>>>>>     parties is that of debunking the "spoiler" myth.  We have
>> a
>>>>>> young
>>>>>>>>     computer guru here in San Jose who gives the best analysis
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>     ever heard of why Nader did NOT spoil the votes in 2000.
>>>> I'm
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>     there are other voices out there who would concur with
>> such
>>>> an
>>>>>>>>     analysis for that election and others.  Maybe you folks
>>>> could
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>     together and design a strategy?  No one could slam dunk
>> the
>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>     (over and over again) better than Nader!  It would free
>> the
>>>>>> Green
>>>>>>>>     Party (and Nader himself)  from lingering animosity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Andrea Dorey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     (408) 306-1900 (cell for messages)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:30 PM, A. Wodin-Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Dear Ralph Nader supporters of California:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     You are invited to the California showings of the new
>> Ralph
>>>>>> Nader
>>>>>>>>>     documentary An Unreasonable Man, and to see Ralph Nader
>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>     the California tour for his new book The Seventeen
>>>>>> Traditions.
>>>>>>>>>     See schedule below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     An Unreasonable Man taps rare archival footage and more
>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>     forty on-camera interviews to paint a complex portrait of
>>>> one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>     the most unique, important, and controversial political
>>>>>> figures
>>>>>>>>>     of the past fifty years. This two-hour film (which has
>>>>>> garnered
>>>>>>>>>     wide critical acclaim in recent weeks) uses Nader's
>>>> harshest
>>>>>>>>>     critics and most eloquent supporters to create a
>> compelling
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>     inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of our
>>>>>> times.
>>>>>>>>>     Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers are
>>>>>>>>>     available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com
>>>>>>>>>     <http://www.anunreasonableman.com/>. See below for how to
>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>     promote the film.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     The Seventeen Traditions
>>>>>> <http://www.seventeentraditions.com/> is
>>>>>>>>>     an unexpected and extraordinary book by Ralph Nader that
>>>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>>     back to the earliest days of his life, to his serene and
>>>>>>>>>     enriching childhood in bucolic Winsted, Connecticut. From
>>>>>>>>>     listening to learning, from patriotism to argument, Nader
>>>>>>>>>     revisits seventeen key traditions he absorbed from his
>>>>>> parents,
>>>>>>>>>     his siblings, and the people in his community, and draws
>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>     them inspiring lessons for today's society.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     An Unreasonable Man makes its California debut on Friday,
>>>>>>>>>     February 9 at Los Angeles' Nuart Theater located at 11272
>>>>>> Santa
>>>>>>>>>     Monica Blvd. February 9 to February 16, there will be
>> three
>>>>>>>>>     showings daily: 4:30, 7:15, and 9:55, with a 1:45 pm
>>>> weekend
>>>>>>>>>     matinee. On Friday and Saturday, Ralph Nader will do Q&A
>>>>>>>>>     following the 4:30 and 7:15 showings, and introduce the
>>>> 9:55
>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>     on Friday only. Tickets are available at the Landmark
>> Nuart
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/LosAngeles/NuartTheatre.htm>,
>>>>>>>>>     or by phone at 310-281-8223.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     After Los Angeles, An Unreasonable Man has the following
>>>>>> premiere
>>>>>>>>>     dates:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         * Pasadena, February 16 at Laemmle's One Colorado
>>>>>>>>>           <http://www.laemmle.com/viewtheatre.php?thid=9>.
>>>>>>>>>         * San Francisco, March 9 at the Landmark Lumiere
>>>> Theater
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFrancisco/
>>>>> LumiereTheatre.htm>.
>>>>>>>>>         * Berkeley, March 9 at the Landmark Shattuck
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.landmarktheatres.com/market/SanFranciscoEastBay/
>>>>> ShattuckCinemas.htm>.
>>>>>>>>>         * Santa Cruz, March 16 at the Nickelodeon Theater
>>>>>>>>>           <http://www.thenick.com/>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     The book tour for The Seventeen Traditions will make the
>>>>>>>>>     following stops:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         * Thursday, February 8 at 7 pm: Dutton's Brentwood
>>>>>> Bookstore
>>>>>>>>>           <http://www.duttonsbrentwood.com/> in Los Angeles.
>>>>>>>>>         * Saturday, February 10 at 2 pm: Barnes & Noble
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://storelocator.barnesandnoble.com/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> storedetail.do;jsessionid=1DAE157FD82CCA89106D112D95212F6F?store=2583>
>>>>>>>>>           in Encino.
>>>>>>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 12 pm: Commonwealth Club
>>>>>>>>>           <http://www.commonwealthclub.org/index.php> in San
>>>>>> Francisco.
>>>>>>>>>         * Thursday, February 15 at 7 pm: Dominican University
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> <http://www.dominican.edu/events/lectures_ics/2007-aacmpy-1585586/
>>>>> index.html>
>>>>>>>>>           in San Rafael.
>>>>>>>>>         * Friday, February 16 at 7 pm: Books Inc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.booksinc.net/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?
>>>>> page=266537&s=storeinfo&>.
>>>>>>>>>           at 601 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     How to help:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we
>> need
>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>     committed volunteers to make it successful by:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     * Phone banking potential movie-goers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     * Selling tickets to your friends
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     * Flyering/postering campuses/communities
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Can you help us out?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at
>>>> Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>     <mailto:Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     PLEASE Forward Widely
>
>
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 15:33:31 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:33:31 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Nader Movie
In-Reply-To: <B467D1CD-7859-4431-9343-AE9C9C75355B@duendevision.com>
References: <950130.11543.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>
	<0B4277D2-EE80-43CE-9E9B-89BF466DFE4A@duendevision.com>
	<EECD53B4-0FA3-4A31-A914-29D22FCCB05A@cagreens.org>
	<B467D1CD-7859-4431-9343-AE9C9C75355B@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <F587FFAE-9B22-4CE7-ABC7-FB30877C0874@cagreens.org>

You ALWAYS count!  How's the video business going?
Have you been on any more "vacations" lately?
A.

On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Duende wrote:

>
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:52 AM, Andrea Dorey wrote:
>
>> You two guys would keep things hopping!
>> I would love to see young Greens and more women show up for this too.
>> Andrea
>
>
>
> How about more gays though. I'm about 1/2 gay so do I count?
>
>
>
> Peace
>
> Duende
>
>
>



From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 15:49:54 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:49:54 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nuclear Thaw--See Feb 25th, SJ Merc
In-Reply-To: <45F0516B.4050609@charter.net>
References: <45F0516B.4050609@charter.net>
Message-ID: <A49EE4C4-91E9-4831-A4C7-A245C0F8B4BA@cagreens.org>

Take a look at SJ Mercury in Perspective section (dated Feb 25th)  
entitled "A Green Case for Nuclear Power," written by Patrick Moore  
who was described as the cofounder of Greenpeace, now chairman of  
Greenspirit Strategies in Vancouver, BC.  Is this a latent vampire,  
or was this guy once legit??
Enlighten me, because I am in shock!
Andrea

On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:

> I call attention to my California Greening post today re: Nuclear  
> Thaw.
> At least, the Assemblyman who sponsored the AB 719 (or his staff)  
> caught
> the post in less than an hour and I had a reply.
>
> http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2007/03/nuclear-thaw.html
>
> -- 
>
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough;
> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 15:54:37 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:54:37 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Emergency Summit to Prevent War with
	Iran, March 10, UC Berkeley]
In-Reply-To: <45F07EBF.5010900@earthlink.net>
References: <45F07EBF.5010900@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E5B8FCFF-9AD1-42A9-A1E2-848ADD982D2B@cagreens.org>

Yes, yes, yes!  Great idea.
I am becoming more impressed with this bunch from SF!  Do they EVER  
jump fast!  What's their secret?  Less time on chat lists???   ;-  ))
Andrea

On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:

>
> I received the email below inviting us (GPSCC) to participate
> in this anti Iran War event:
>
>      http://handsoffiran.org/
>
> I recommend that the GPSCC do participate.  I will try to go.
> I consider that an attack on Iran would be a greater disaster
> than the Iraq War.
>
> I notice that the participating organizations already include
> * Santa Clara County Democratic Central Committee
> * San Francisco Green Party
> * Women's International League for Peace and Freedom
> * Peninsula Peace and Justice Center
> * Global Exchange
> * South Bay Mobilization
> (and others)
>
> Daniel Ellsberg (one of my few heroes) will be there.
>
> Is anyone opposed to GPSCC participation?
>
> I will ask for the County Council to vote on this.
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Emergency Summit to Prevent War with Iran, March 10, UC  
> Berkeley
> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:39:00 -0700
> From: Arash Alavi <arash at handsoffiran.org>
> To: ggras at cagreens.org
>
> Hi Gerry,
>
> We have organized an emergency summit on the
> looming war on Iran, and wanted to invite you to
> participate.
>
> We currently do not have many participants from
> the local Green Party groups. The only participant
> so far is the San Francisco Green Party.
>
> You can find out more about the summit here:
>
>     http://handsoffiran.org
>
> At the bottom of the page, you'll see the current
> list of organizations which are attending.
>
> Sorry for the short notice. This is being done in
> a short time frame.
>
>
> Cheers,
> - Arash
>
> handsoffiran.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 16:01:58 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:01:58 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
In-Reply-To: <77646F96-3174-49B4-B197-26905BD4940B@duendevision.com>
References: <77646F96-3174-49B4-B197-26905BD4940B@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <F9224EF8-8981-43BF-9764-DF3D67DDC8FA@cagreens.org>

Noise pollution is a health issue--the source of much early deafness  
due to the shock to the ear canal hairs that conduct sound.  We're  
seeing more and more deafness and earlier loss of these hairs in 20- 
somethings and middle-agers.  It's a good issue.
What do you want to do about it?
Andrea

On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Duende wrote:

> As many of you know, I'm a motorcyclist and love my sport. However  
> I'm totally put off by the tremendously loud bikes(and some cars)  
> that shatter the peace on a continuous basis. I have yet to meet  
> anyone not riding one of these machines who feels much differently  
> than I do. How can one start a petition to limit this. (or enforce  
> existing laws maybe) Locally for starters and statewide eventually.
>
> Also, considering the reception I've gotten to this issue it would  
> probably behoove the Green Party as a whole to push this. We sure  
> can use the press.
>
> Peace
>
> Duende
>
> ________________________________________________________
> "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise  
> they'll kill you."
>
>     Oscar Wilde
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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 16:05:46 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:05:46 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
In-Reply-To: <E1HPMXT-00059m-00@truffula>
References: <E1HPMXT-00059m-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <4DD804F4-06F1-469D-BD44-4FBA3B4FF60E@cagreens.org>

That's the other issue.  And somewhere I have a brochure that I've  
been keeping called something like "Trucks off the road," or "Big  
trucks off the road," or, well you get the idea.

I wanted to do a TV show about it and one of the things I wanted to  
cite (but am not totally sure about) is the "fact" that in Europe,  
freight trucks are not allowed on the road during drive time for  
workers.  Anyone know about this?

Also, it seems that freight trains in Europe are not allowed to  
interfere with the passenger trains as they do here, thereby making  
vacations by train more feasible.  Anyone know about this?
Andrea

On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

>
> The highway near me makes a continuous rushing roar.
> If you stand on the bridge and listen to it, the components
> are tire noise on concrete, diesel trucks, and thousands
> of poorly streamlined cars rushing through the air.
> Motorcycles are not a factor.  The point sources of noise
> in my neighborhood are leaf blowers and delivery trucks,
> and my neighbor's screaming gas-powered radio-controlled
> model cars.  Downtown, the biggest problem by far is jet
> planes.  Maybe motorcycle noise is the problem in particular
> neighborhoods, but I've never been in one.
>
> I suspect the noise that does the most damage to the
> most people is loud machinery (including music systems)
> at the workplace (bars, nightclubs, trucks, construction
> sites, factories), and music players that plug the ear
> canal and apply a hundred milliwatts of noise directly to
> the eardrum.  I've been in too many bars where you can't
> scream loud enough into someone's ear for them to hear
> you.  An eight hour shift in that environment is going
> to do damage.  Calling it music and exposing yourself
> to it voluntarily doesn't make it any less dangerous.
> Makes my ears ring just to think about it.
>
> A petition against motorcycle noise in particular would be
> a real good way to alienate motorcyclists against the Green
> Party.  Off road vehicle clubs are a favorite trojan horse
> for "Wise Use" antienvironment groups.  I'd rather not
> give them a great big stick to hit us with.  Not without
> some significant gain to trade it for, and especially when
> motorcycles are hardly the major source of noise pollution.
> I'd rather see that effort go into holding employers
> accountable for hearing loss on the job.
>
>
> Cameron
>
>
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar  8 16:09:42 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:09:42 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
In-Reply-To: <45F07A71.3090406@earthlink.net>
References: <E1HPMXT-00059m-00@truffula> <45F07A71.3090406@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C1EBC792-4663-4015-A698-189203524767@cagreens.org>


On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> I don't know how the automobile noise breaks down into its
> components (engine / air turbulence / wheels on the ground).

The Insight is quieter partly due to its low-friction tires and the  
small engine that doesn't need to be revved up to go to the next gear.

> I suspect that significant reduction of noise would require
> significant reduction in speed, and what would that take?!?
> Or you could try putting it all underground, and that would
> cost a LOT.  (Even the sound walls next to freeways are not
> cheap.)
>
> I agree motorcycles are minor.

When the right hot-shot gets on one and revs up, it's NOT minor!!
Andrea
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
> Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>
>> The highway near me makes a continuous rushing roar.
>> If you stand on the bridge and listen to it, the components
>> are tire noise on concrete, diesel trucks, and thousands
>> of poorly streamlined cars rushing through the air.
>> Motorcycles are not a factor.  The point sources of noise
>
>
> <clip>
>
>
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From fredd at freeshell.org  Thu Mar  8 17:33:57 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:33:57 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
In-Reply-To: <77646F96-3174-49B4-B197-26905BD4940B@duendevision.com>
References: <77646F96-3174-49B4-B197-26905BD4940B@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <45F0B985.5030703@freeshell.org>

I think I have figured out who "Duende" is.
I figure it is you, ROY HARRISON!

Fred


Noise pollution is a health issue--the source of much early deafness
due to the shock to the ear canal hairs that conduct sound.  We're
seeing more and more deafness and earlier loss of these hairs in 20-
somethings and middle-agers.  It's a good issue.
What do you want to do about it?
Andrea

On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Duende wrote:

> As many of you know, I'm a motorcyclist and love my sport. However  
> I'm totally put off by the tremendously loud bikes(and some cars)  
> that shatter the peace on a continuous basis. I have yet to meet  
> anyone not riding one of these machines who feels much differently  
> than I do. How can one start a petition to limit this. (or enforce  
> existing laws maybe) Locally for starters and statewide eventually.
>
> Also, considering the reception I've gotten to this issue it would  
> probably behoove the Green Party as a whole to push this. We sure  
> can use the press.
>
> Peace
>
> Duende
>
> ________________________________________________________
> "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise  
> they'll kill you."
>
>     Oscar Wilde
>
>
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar  8 20:35:44 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:35:44 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Noise abatement - how to petition?
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References: <77646F96-3174-49B4-B197-26905BD4940B@duendevision.com>
	<45F0B985.5030703@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <E3FB8B9E-5C1A-4241-B276-462B4C27F537@duendevision.com>

Oh My Gosh Fred, You didn't realize that? Take a look at my first  
couple posts using this new email address (the beginning of  
February), They're signed Duende Aka Roy. However I've moved to Costa  
Rica :-)

Paz Amigo.. Aka Fred

Duende

___________________________________
The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the  
one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and  
Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.


On Mar 8, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Fred Duperrault wrote:

> I think I have figured out who "Duende" is.
> I figure it is you, ROY HARRISON!
>
> Fred
>
>
> Noise pollution is a health issue--the source of much early deafness
> due to the shock to the ear canal hairs that conduct sound.  We're
> seeing more and more deafness and earlier loss of these hairs in 20-
> somethings and middle-agers.  It's a good issue.
> What do you want to do about it?
> Andrea
>
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Duende wrote:
>
>> As many of you know, I'm a motorcyclist and love my sport.  
>> However  I'm totally put off by the tremendously loud bikes(and  
>> some cars)  that shatter the peace on a continuous basis. I have  
>> yet to meet  anyone not riding one of these machines who feels  
>> much differently  than I do. How can one start a petition to limit  
>> this. (or enforce  existing laws maybe) Locally for starters and  
>> statewide eventually.
>>
>> Also, considering the reception I've gotten to this issue it  
>> would  probably behoove the Green Party as a whole to push this.  
>> We sure  can use the press.
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> Duende
>>
>> ________________________________________________________
>> "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise   
>> they'll kill you."
>>
>>     Oscar Wilde
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  8 21:05:58 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:05:58 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Emergency Summit to Prevent War with
	Iran, March 10, UC Berkeley]
References: <45F07EBF.5010900@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <45F0EB36.2080204@earthlink.net>



Gerry Gras wrote:

> I received the email below inviting us (GPSCC) to participate
> in this anti Iran War event:
> 
>      http://handsoffiran.org/
> 


I asked if this event is open to the public,
and the answer is Yes.

Gerry




From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 23:00:08 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:00:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <F5ED11F6-6E2F-48AD-A74B-EF269F5FB211@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <161615.53235.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

This list has ALWAYS BEEN by and for the MEMBERS OF THE GPSCC.  We are
not much limited on  the subject we discuss, but it is a LOCAL list for
and by the Members of the GPSCC.  ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE.

NOTE ROY THAT We (the GPSCC)  are NOT AVAILABLE FOR DOMINATION BY
NON-GPSCC Members.  

Our Bylaws  ( http://cagreens.org/sclara/ ) CLARIFY:

ARTICLE 1 MEMBERSHIP IN THE GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY

1.1 Any voter who has registered as a member of the Green Party and who
is a resident of Santa Clara County also shall be a member of the Green
Party of Santa Clara County.

1.2 Only active members will vote in official county Green Party
functions, should a vote be required according to the Consensus Process
described in Article 6. Official functions shall be those at which
decisions are made in the name of the Party.

1.3 An active member shall be a person who has attended 2 out of the
last 5 meetings of the official functions at which (s)he wishes to
vote. For example, a vote at a General meeting, a committee meeting, a
local meeting, etc.

WHAT IS MY (DREW JOHNSON'S) ROLE AS  A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL???

I TURN TO THE BYLAWS AGAIN FOR THE ANSWER:

ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL

2.1 Purposes

2.1.1 The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a
liaison between the California Green Party and Santa Clara County
officials. As used in these Bylaws, the term "County Council" shall
have the same meaning as the term "Central Committee" as that term is
used by the Office of the Registrar of Voters for Santa Clara County,
California.

2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among
its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a
General County Meeting. The Council and/or its officers will be
responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements of
the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). The Council or its
officers shall be responsible for obtaining an FPPC number for
financial reporting. The Council may create such committees or initiate
such inquiries as it considers necessary and appropriate to perform its
collective responsibilities as described in these Bylaws.

2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties include
serving as a coordinating or steering committee to: 

a) Facilitate communications between Green Party members within the
county, at county meetings, and between locals within the county. 

b) Facilitate communications between the county Green Party and the
State Green Party. 

c) Assist Green Party involvement in elections in the county (including
recruiting, advising and assisting Green Party candidates,
co-ordinating voter registration efforts and tabling, and supporting
ballot issues effecting issues of concern to the state or county Green
Party). 

d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and other
Green Parties and/or other local organizations which support the
principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform. 

e) Oversee and assist the work of committees formed by the Council, or
outside the Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the above
duties, or other duties considered necessary that are not in conflict
with these ByLaws; such as an electoral reform committee, an
environmental issues committee, etc.

2.1.4 The County Council shall act as the designated contact persons
for the Green Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested people
to persons who may be designated as spokespeople for the Party at a
General County Meeting.

SO THEREFORE WE ON THE COUNCIL ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
OPERATIONS OF THE GPSCC AND WILL SERVE TO FACILITATE OUR PARTY AS WELL
AS TO PROTECT IT FROM DOMINATION FROM NON-PARTY (THAT IS NON GPSCC)
MEMBERS.

So Roy, This drama you're trying to perpetuate re: ML's hissy fit and
exit is a dead issue. period.

More intersperse below:

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part 
> 
> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and  
> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical  
> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for 
> 
> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
>  
> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this  
> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living  
> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
> 
> Albert Einstein
> 
> 
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.
> 
> Drew
> 
> NOT
> 
> Here's a quote from the SC Green website:
> 
> "email lists
> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
> relevant to the Green Party."
> 
> Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not the  
> Santa Clara Greens.
> 
> 
> 
> > I
> > wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party
> values
> > state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
> >
> > Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing or
> what
> > have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county list.
> 
> Please reference above.
> 
> >
> > Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC
> fashion
> > what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his action. 
> I
> > never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
> > 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined with
> his
> > lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even where he
>  
> > is.
> 
> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable with
>  
> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable censoring  
> him. 

Give me a break!

> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to  
> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration  
> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand  
> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want however 
> 
> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your statements.
>  
> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the area  
> again.

As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because you
needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
Irishmen!  

> > Give it a rest Roy!  There are so many REAL ISSUES we need to work
> on,
> > like getting the SCC Congressional representatives to support
> > impeachment.  This here is just bullshit drama and you seem to be  
> > drawn
> > to it.  Give it a rest!  and come on out and actually participate
> with
> > us in the many actions we are doing these days.  Don't just sit
> back
> > behind your keyboard and critique.  Come on out!
> 
> Drew.. again you're using a lot of energy charged words, Quite  
> truthfully I came close to pointing out your drama and repeated  
> character assassination when it came to Mark and now I see it  
> directed at me. And again, you imply that I should come out from  
> behind my keyboard and participate. If it wasn't for this thread and 
> the one I started concerning the reply to field (of which I've  
> misdirected 4 emails today already doubling on others inboxes (make  
> that 5..I just double posted this)) I might have posted  1/2 dozen  
> emails to this list. Not quite sitting behind the keyboard. I do lots
>  
> of pro bono work in my production work..one of them was for the Gren 
> 
> PArty of whcih you were supposed to do something usefull with the  
> video I shot. I pointed out once befre that you've done nothing to  
> get this video from me and certsinly the timeliness of it is well  
> past. So please don't suggest to me that I should get involved.

As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically posted
previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the Roy that
had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with them.
 (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted me at
any point) So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
it.

As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We need the
efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along w/ me
and Andrea and others) to be vital members!

> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the way 
> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they could
> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing so.
> 
> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to stir  
> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do the  
> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
> fuzzy.

Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were berating
Cameron for the way he runs this list.  In that case it was you
(unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a GPSCC
stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to do
his job!!! So please try to understand how that came across and then
for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have the
right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.

Peace!

Drew
 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:02 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oh my God people!  Give it a rest and give me a break!  It's a
> very
> >>> basic principle of Greens that we believe in local autonomy.  As
> a
> >>> County Council member I'll not stand by silently when someone
> (who
> >>> didn't even initially tell us where he was from) persists in
> >> bombing
> >>> our e-list with their outsider opinion.  No I won't stand for it.
> >> Its
> >>> not right and its not happening here.
> >>
> >> Bombing? The man made 3 posts since December and all were
> >> intelligent.
> >>
> >>> However I will take full credit
> >>> (as I've not been given by these critics) for coming up with an
> >>> eminently practical solution that allows us Greens to mutually
> >> support
> >>> each other across the country even though we are not in the same
> >>> locality - e-lists for CountyDev at Greens.org and
> >>> Candidates at Greens.org .
> >>
> >> I'm sure you will take full credit though if you read my reply to
> >> Tian I had also suggested the possibility of county specific list
> as
> >>
> >> well. However this isn't one of them and has never had a
> geographical
> >> bias to it until you "refused to stand for it"
> >>
> >> Peace
> >>
> >> Duende
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It
> is
> >>
> >> the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this
> emotion
> >> is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in
> >> awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
> >>
> >> Albert Einstein


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http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 23:28:00 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:28:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] March 17th Get Out of Iraq! Stay Out of Iran!
	(was Re: metro ad preview)
In-Reply-To: <E179C015-C574-4DE0-A75C-3A27AD06EAD8@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <161801.41109.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey, Impeach for Peace!  Of course there's a link between Impeachment
and end-the-war.  If we get Bush out of there his wars will come to an
end.

Also Merriam, one flaw is that "Santana Park"'s location is
inadequately described.  Why not say it's "Just South of Santa Row" or
something like that.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> Looks good, Cameron.  I like the long list of supporting groups.
> Did we decide it is OK to link Impeachment with end-the-war?  Because
>  
> it is really prominent here.
> Andrea
> 
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> 
> >
> > From: MKmusic03 at aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:46:58 EST
> > Subject: Fwd: [SBM] Here's SBM's ad for the March 14th edition of  
> > the Metro...
> > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Here is a copy of the ad on the SAn Jose March 17th anti-war rally 
> 
> > and march
> > that will appear in the Metro newspaper March 14th issue and that  
> > GPSCC
> > donated to.
> >
> > Merraim
> >
> > The file was a little too large for distribution on a general  
> > mailing list.
> > See http://gandhi.greens.org/cls/metroad.jpg
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 23:39:01 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:39:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment for Peace Walk (was Re: anti war walk)
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-F7834859F434F30CC0AD15A4790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <240346.52350.qm@web52214.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, we've been doing this kind of thing in Mountain View on Castro
Street after our weekly vigil ( see Cameron's blog on this entitled
"Accidental Peace Action" 
http://www.greencommons.org/node/453 ).  We've been delighted how
positively people have been responding to the IMPEACH message!!!  It's
time for all of us to shed our qualms about the 'I' word and start
sprinkling our speach with it.  Spread it far and wide!  Impeach for
Peace!

Impeach early and often!

Drew



--- Michael Fischetti <drpesto at hotmail.com> wrote:

> this saturday march 10 we will be walking through los gatos with out
> 
> ANTI-WAR or IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY signs hoping to get a few
> 
> people thinking
> 
> 
> so far there are 7 of us including tian, fred, meriam,drew and
> several 
> members of mountain view voices for peace
> 
> we will meet in los gatos a 5 pm at the far end of town on santa cruz
> avenue 
> in the park in front of the post office  and walk till 6 or 6:30
> 
> bring signs
> 
> if successful we would hope to "reach out"  to other cities
> 
> all welcome
> 
> mike fischetti
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 00:00:09 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 03:00:09 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment for Peace Walk (was Re: anti war walk)
Message-ID: <cab.c78a70c.33226e09@aol.com>

Today, this morning to be exact, the "I" word (IMPEACH) was sprinkled in a 
new way.  Myself and an activist/actionist from East Palo Alto carried an 
IMPEACH banner down E. Bayshore near
San Antonio Road and we stood behind the chain-link fence between E. Bayshore 
and 101.  We stood there holding the banner from 8:00am - 9:00am.  Thousands 
of cars went by and saw the banner.  We got lots of honks, waves, peace signs 
and support from the drivers.  We were there until a highway patrol officer 
came by and told us we were obstructing traffic with our banner.  We of course 
said we were expressing our freedom for free speech.  The officer told us they 
had complaints that we were causing an obstruction to traffic.  We of course 
were not.  Paul, the East Palo Atoan and director of this action immediately 
stated that if our banner was obstructing traffic then so must all the 
billboards along the freeway be obstructing traffic.  The patrol officer did not like 
hearing that.  I then asked her was their a vehicle code for obstructing 
traffic, she said there was.  I asked her what the vehicle code was.  She said that 
if she had to look up the vehicle code she would then have to cite us.  She 
walked back to her car.  At that point Paul and I decided to roll up the banner 
and leave.  

We are planning to stand with the IMPEACH banner on E. Bayshore once a week.

Merriam

jamboi at yahoo.com wrote:

Yes, we've been doing this kind of thing in Mountain View on Castro
Street after our weekly vigil ( see Cameron's blog on this entitled
"Accidental Peace Action" 
http://www.greencommons.org/node/453 ).? We've been delighted how
positively people have been responding to the IMPEACH message!!!? It's
time for all of us to shed our qualms about the 'I' word and start
sprinkling our speach with it.? Spread it far and wide!? Impeach for
Peace!

Impeach early and often!

Drew



--- Michael Fischetti <drpesto at hotmail.com> wrote:

> this saturday march 10 we will be walking through los gatos with out
> 
> ANTI-WAR or IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY signs hoping to get a few
> 
> people thinking
> 
> 
> so far there are 7 of us including tian, fred, meriam,drew and
> several 
> members of mountain view voices for peace
> 
> we will meet in los gatos a 5 pm at the far end of town on santa cruz
> avenue 
> in the park in front of the post office? and walk till 6 or 6:30
> 
> bring signs
> 
> if successful we would hope to "reach out"? to other cities
> 
> all welcome
> 
> mike fischetti
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these
> few 
> simple tips. 
>
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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 00:19:01 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 03:19:01 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] March 17th Get Out of Iraq! Stay Out of Iran!
	(was Re: metro ad preview)
Message-ID: <d3d.3f56cb8.33227275@aol.com>

Hi Drew,

The "Santana Park" location is not inadequately described in the ad.  The 
best way to describe a location is to give street coordinates as in, Santana Park 
(Tisch & Monroe) and this is what the ad states. Stating "Just South of 
Santana Row" is not descriptive enough.

Merriam

jamboi at yahoo.com wrote:

Hey, Impeach for Peace!? Of course there's a link between Impeachment
and end-the-war.? If we get Bush out of there his wars will come to an
end.

Also Merriam, one flaw is that "Santana Park"'s location is
inadequately described.? Why not say it's "Just South of Santa Row" or
something like that.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> Looks good, Cameron.? I like the long list of supporting groups.
> Did we decide it is OK to link Impeachment with end-the-war?? Because
>? 
> it is really prominent here.
> Andrea
> 
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> 
> >
> > From: MKmusic03 at aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:46:58 EST
> > Subject: Fwd: [SBM] Here's SBM's ad for the March 14th edition of? 

> > the Metro...
> > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Here is a copy of the ad on the SAn Jose March 17th anti-war rally 
> 
> > and march
> > that will appear in the Metro newspaper March 14th issue and that? 
> > GPSCC
> > donated to.
> >
> > Merraim
> >
> > The file was a little too large for distribution on a general? 
> > mailing list.
> > See http://gandhi.greens.org/cls/metroad.jpg
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >
> 
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 00:45:24 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 00:45:24 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment for Peace Walk (was Re: anti war
	walk)
In-Reply-To: <cab.c78a70c.33226e09@aol.com>
References: <cab.c78a70c.33226e09@aol.com>
Message-ID: <991E4050-010A-4287-AAB1-106CF0A14F28@duendevision.com>

Excellent point on the billboards being obstructions too.  Warner..  
what does the legal side of things think about that argument.

Peace

Duende

______________________________________________
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is  
the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion  
is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in  
awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."

Albert Einstein


On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:00 AM, MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:

> Today, this morning to be exact, the "I" word (IMPEACH) was  
> sprinkled in a new way.  Myself and an activist/actionist from East  
> Palo Alto carried an IMPEACH banner down E. Bayshore near
> San Antonio Road and we stood behind the chain-link fence between  
> E. Bayshore and 101.  We stood there holding the banner from 8:00am  
> - 9:00am.  Thousands of cars went by and saw the banner.  We got  
> lots of honks, waves, peace signs and support from the drivers.  We  
> were there until a highway patrol officer came by and told us we  
> were obstructing traffic with our banner.  We of course said we  
> were expressing our freedom for free speech.  The officer told us  
> they had complaints that we were causing an obstruction to  
> traffic.  We of course were not.  Paul, the East Palo Atoan and  
> director of this action immediately stated that if our banner was  
> obstructing traffic then so must all the billboards along the  
> freeway be obstructing traffic.  The patrol officer did not like  
> hearing that.  I then asked her was their a vehicle code for  
> obstructing traffic, she said there was.  I asked her what the  
> vehicle code was.  She said that if she had to look up the vehicle  
> code she would then have to cite us.  She walked back to her car.   
> At that point Paul and I decided to roll up the banner and leave.
>
> We are planning to stand with the IMPEACH banner on E. Bayshore  
> once a week.
>
> Merriam
>
> jamboi at yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Yes, we've been doing this kind of thing in Mountain View on Castro
> Street after our weekly vigil ( see Cameron's blog on this entitled
> "Accidental Peace Action"
> http://www.greencommons.org/node/453 ).  We've been delighted how
> positively people have been responding to the IMPEACH message!!!  It's
> time for all of us to shed our qualms about the 'I' word and start
> sprinkling our speach with it.  Spread it far and wide!  Impeach for
> Peace!
>
> Impeach early and often!
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> --- Michael Fischetti <drpesto at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > this saturday march 10 we will be walking through los gatos with out
> >
> > ANTI-WAR or IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY signs hoping to get a few
> >
> > people thinking
> >
> >
> > so far there are 7 of us including tian, fred, meriam,drew and
> > several
> > members of mountain view voices for peace
> >
> > we will meet in los gatos a 5 pm at the far end of town on santa  
> cruz
> > avenue
> > in the park in front of the post office  and walk till 6 or 6:30
> >
> > bring signs
> >
> > if successful we would hope to "reach out"  to other cities
> >
> > all welcome
> >
> > mike fischetti
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these
> > few
> > simple tips.
> >
> http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/ 
> PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >
>
>
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>
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> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
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From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 01:24:19 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <161615.53235.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <161615.53235.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8EB58F6E-254C-4435-A41C-B5617DD68368@duendevision.com>

Drew

You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and who  
could participate on it.

Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it  
says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics relevant  
to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the Santa  
Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You rant,  
you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you still  
have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important to  
you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time it  
would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive tirade.


email lists
The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
relevant to the Green Party.


_________________________________________________________________
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part  
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and  
feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical  
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for  
us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few  
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this  
prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living  
creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

Albert Einstein


On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:00 PM, JamBoi wrote:

> This list has ALWAYS BEEN by and for the MEMBERS OF THE GPSCC.  We are
> not much limited on  the subject we discuss, but it is a LOCAL list  
> for
> and by the Members of the GPSCC.  ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE.
>
> NOTE ROY THAT We (the GPSCC)  are NOT AVAILABLE FOR DOMINATION BY
> NON-GPSCC Members.
>
> Our Bylaws  ( http://cagreens.org/sclara/ ) CLARIFY:
>
> ARTICLE 1 MEMBERSHIP IN THE GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY
>
> 1.1 Any voter who has registered as a member of the Green Party and  
> who
> is a resident of Santa Clara County also shall be a member of the  
> Green
> Party of Santa Clara County.
>
> 1.2 Only active members will vote in official county Green Party
> functions, should a vote be required according to the Consensus  
> Process
> described in Article 6. Official functions shall be those at which
> decisions are made in the name of the Party.
>
> 1.3 An active member shall be a person who has attended 2 out of the
> last 5 meetings of the official functions at which (s)he wishes to
> vote. For example, a vote at a General meeting, a committee meeting, a
> local meeting, etc.
>
> WHAT IS MY (DREW JOHNSON'S) ROLE AS  A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL???
>
> I TURN TO THE BYLAWS AGAIN FOR THE ANSWER:
>
> ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL
>
> 2.1 Purposes
>
> 2.1.1 The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a
> liaison between the California Green Party and Santa Clara County
> officials. As used in these Bylaws, the term "County Council" shall
> have the same meaning as the term "Central Committee" as that term is
> used by the Office of the Registrar of Voters for Santa Clara County,
> California.
>
> 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among
> its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a
> General County Meeting. The Council and/or its officers will be
> responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements of
> the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). The Council or its
> officers shall be responsible for obtaining an FPPC number for
> financial reporting. The Council may create such committees or  
> initiate
> such inquiries as it considers necessary and appropriate to perform  
> its
> collective responsibilities as described in these Bylaws.
>
> 2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties  
> include
> serving as a coordinating or steering committee to:
>
> a) Facilitate communications between Green Party members within the
> county, at county meetings, and between locals within the county.
>
> b) Facilitate communications between the county Green Party and the
> State Green Party.
>
> c) Assist Green Party involvement in elections in the county  
> (including
> recruiting, advising and assisting Green Party candidates,
> co-ordinating voter registration efforts and tabling, and supporting
> ballot issues effecting issues of concern to the state or county Green
> Party).
>
> d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and other
> Green Parties and/or other local organizations which support the
> principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform.
>
> e) Oversee and assist the work of committees formed by the Council, or
> outside the Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the  
> above
> duties, or other duties considered necessary that are not in conflict
> with these ByLaws; such as an electoral reform committee, an
> environmental issues committee, etc.
>
> 2.1.4 The County Council shall act as the designated contact persons
> for the Green Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested people
> to persons who may be designated as spokespeople for the Party at a
> General County Meeting.
>
> SO THEREFORE WE ON THE COUNCIL ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
> OPERATIONS OF THE GPSCC AND WILL SERVE TO FACILITATE OUR PARTY AS WELL
> AS TO PROTECT IT FROM DOMINATION FROM NON-PARTY (THAT IS NON GPSCC)
> MEMBERS.
>
> So Roy, This drama you're trying to perpetuate re: ML's hissy fit and
> exit is a dead issue. period.
>
> More intersperse below:
>
> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part
>>
>> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
>> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
>> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for
>>
>> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
>>
>> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this
>> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living
>> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
>>
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> NOT
>>
>> Here's a quote from the SC Green website:
>>
>> "email lists
>> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
>> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
>> relevant to the Green Party."
>>
>> Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not the
>> Santa Clara Greens.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I
>>> wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party
>> values
>>> state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
>>>
>>> Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing or
>> what
>>> have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county list.
>>
>> Please reference above.
>>
>>>
>>> Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC
>> fashion
>>> what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his action.
>> I
>>> never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
>>> 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined with
>> his
>>> lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even where he
>>
>>> is.
>>
>> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable with
>>
>> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable censoring
>> him.
>
> Give me a break!

Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.

>
>> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
>> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration
>> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand
>> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want however
>>
>> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your statements.
>>
>> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the area
>> again.
>
> As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because you
> needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
> Irishmen!

I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.


>
> As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically posted
> previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the Roy  
> that
> had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with  
> them.
>  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted me at
> any point)

You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on this  
list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up originally  
so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought this  
up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit you.

> So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
> it.

What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you  
supposedly were going to do something with it.

>
> As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We need the
> efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
> possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along w/ me
> and Andrea and others) to be vital members!

That's a whole other kettle of fish.

>
>> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the way
>> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they could
>> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing so.
>>
>> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to stir
>> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do the
>> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
>> fuzzy.
>
> Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were berating
> Cameron for the way he runs this list.

I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a nuisance.  
Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was  
being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt it  
fair if he was in the line of fire.

> In that case it was you
> (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a GPSCC
> stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to do
> his job!!!

I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to request  
an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list  
(one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to respond  
in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the hundreds  
of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I  
worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to  
fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They weren't  
there to fulfill my needs.

> So please try to understand how that came across and then
> for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have the
> right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.

There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green Party  
member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the Green  
Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so  
there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.

Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a  
hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word  
xenophobic to describe this behaviour.

I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's transpired  
here.

Peace

Duende



From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 01:35:35 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 01:35:35 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <161615.53235.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <161615.53235.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9EB0B61A-D9BC-44E3-A933-034B94E8145E@duendevision.com>

Sorry for the rouble post but there was a whole bunch that needed to  
be cut.

Drew

You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and who  
could participate on it.

Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it  
says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics relevant  
to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the Santa  
Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You rant,  
you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you still  
have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important to  
you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time it  
would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive tirade.


email lists
The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
relevant to the Green Party.


>>
>> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable with
>>
>> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable censoring
>> him.
>
> Give me a break!

Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.

>
>> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
>> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration
>> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand
>> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want however
>>
>> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your statements.
>>
>> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the area
>> again.
>
> As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because you
> needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
> Irishmen!

I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.


>
> As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically posted
> previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the Roy  
> that
> had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with  
> them.
>  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted me at
> any point)

You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on this  
list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up originally  
so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought this  
up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit you.

> So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
> it.

What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you  
supposedly were going to do something with it.

>
> As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We need the
> efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
> possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along w/ me
> and Andrea and others) to be vital members!

That's a whole other kettle of fish.

>
>> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the way
>> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they could
>> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing so.
>>
>> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to stir
>> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do the
>> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
>> fuzzy.
>
> Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were berating
> Cameron for the way he runs this list.

I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a nuisance.  
Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was  
being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt it  
fair if he was in the line of fire.

> In that case it was you
> (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a GPSCC
> stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to do
> his job!!!

I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to request  
an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list  
(one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to respond  
in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the hundreds  
of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I  
worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to  
fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They weren't  
there to fulfill my needs.

> So please try to understand how that came across and then
> for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have the
> right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.

There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green Party  
member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the Green  
Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so  
there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.

Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a  
hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word  
xenophobic to describe this behaviour.

I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's transpired  
here.

Peace

Duende



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 02:58:46 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 02:58:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <8EB58F6E-254C-4435-A41C-B5617DD68368@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <623582.92121.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>

Roy , I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop using such wildly
inflammatory language (ie. "Bubba", "rant", "rave", etc) and just cool
it.  Just because you refuse to acknowledge the purpose of this list
which it has carried since its inception does not change its nature and
does not make my salient points "obfuscating" no matter how much you'd
wish it would.  Just because you don't acknowledge my sheparding role
as member of the County Council to protect our GPSCC (ie. THE Green
Party that we are talking about) does not alter my role.

Check this out:
"discussion of topics relevant to the Green Party" = The GPSCC and the
GPSCC is a member of the GPCA.  So unlike you're extremely literal
reading and understanding of this, I reiterate,

EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS OF, FOR
AND BY THE GPSCC.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew



--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> Drew
> 
> You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and who  
> could participate on it.
> 
> Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it  
> says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics relevant
> to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the Santa
> Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You rant,
> you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you still 
> have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important to
> you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time it
> would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive
> tirade.
> 
> 
> email lists
> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
> relevant to the Green Party.
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part 
> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and  
> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical  
> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for 
> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this  
> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living  
> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
> 
> Albert Einstein
> 
> 
> On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:00 PM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > This list has ALWAYS BEEN by and for the MEMBERS OF THE GPSCC.  We
> are
> > not much limited on  the subject we discuss, but it is a LOCAL list
>  
> > for
> > and by the Members of the GPSCC.  ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE.
> >
> > NOTE ROY THAT We (the GPSCC)  are NOT AVAILABLE FOR DOMINATION BY
> > NON-GPSCC Members.
> >
> > Our Bylaws  ( http://cagreens.org/sclara/ ) CLARIFY:
> >
> > ARTICLE 1 MEMBERSHIP IN THE GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY
> >
> > 1.1 Any voter who has registered as a member of the Green Party and
>  
> > who
> > is a resident of Santa Clara County also shall be a member of the  
> > Green
> > Party of Santa Clara County.
> >
> > 1.2 Only active members will vote in official county Green Party
> > functions, should a vote be required according to the Consensus  
> > Process
> > described in Article 6. Official functions shall be those at which
> > decisions are made in the name of the Party.
> >
> > 1.3 An active member shall be a person who has attended 2 out of
> the
> > last 5 meetings of the official functions at which (s)he wishes to
> > vote. For example, a vote at a General meeting, a committee
> meeting, a
> > local meeting, etc.
> >
> > WHAT IS MY (DREW JOHNSON'S) ROLE AS  A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY
> COUNCIL???
> >
> > I TURN TO THE BYLAWS AGAIN FOR THE ANSWER:
> >
> > ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL
> >
> > 2.1 Purposes
> >
> > 2.1.1 The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a
> > liaison between the California Green Party and Santa Clara County
> > officials. As used in these Bylaws, the term "County Council" shall
> > have the same meaning as the term "Central Committee" as that term
> is
> > used by the Office of the Registrar of Voters for Santa Clara
> County,
> > California.
> >
> > 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from
> among
> > its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at
> a
> > General County Meeting. The Council and/or its officers will be
> > responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements
> of
> > the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). The Council or its
> > officers shall be responsible for obtaining an FPPC number for
> > financial reporting. The Council may create such committees or  
> > initiate
> > such inquiries as it considers necessary and appropriate to perform
>  
> > its
> > collective responsibilities as described in these Bylaws.
> >
> > 2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties  
> > include
> > serving as a coordinating or steering committee to:
> >
> > a) Facilitate communications between Green Party members within the
> > county, at county meetings, and between locals within the county.
> >
> > b) Facilitate communications between the county Green Party and the
> > State Green Party.
> >
> > c) Assist Green Party involvement in elections in the county  
> > (including
> > recruiting, advising and assisting Green Party candidates,
> > co-ordinating voter registration efforts and tabling, and
> supporting
> > ballot issues effecting issues of concern to the state or county
> Green
> > Party).
> >
> > d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and other
> > Green Parties and/or other local organizations which support the
> > principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform.
> >
> > e) Oversee and assist the work of committees formed by the Council,
> or
> > outside the Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the  
> > above
> > duties, or other duties considered necessary that are not in
> conflict
> > with these ByLaws; such as an electoral reform committee, an
> > environmental issues committee, etc.
> >
> > 2.1.4 The County Council shall act as the designated contact
> persons
> > for the Green Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested
> people
> > to persons who may be designated as spokespeople for the Party at a
> > General County Meeting.
> >
> > SO THEREFORE WE ON THE COUNCIL ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
> > OPERATIONS OF THE GPSCC AND WILL SERVE TO FACILITATE OUR PARTY AS
> WELL
> > AS TO PROTECT IT FROM DOMINATION FROM NON-PARTY (THAT IS NON GPSCC)
> > MEMBERS.
> >
> > So Roy, This drama you're trying to perpetuate re: ML's hissy fit
> and
> > exit is a dead issue. period.
> >
> > More intersperse below:
> >
> > --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________________
> >> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a
> part
> >>
> >> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts
> and
> >> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
> >> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison
> for
> >>
> >> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a
> few
> >>
> >> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from
> this
> >> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living
> >> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
> >>
> >> Albert Einstein
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>
> >>> Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.
> >>
> >> Drew
> >>
> >> NOT
> >>
> >> Here's a quote from the SC Green website:
> >>
> >> "email lists
> >> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
> >> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
> >> relevant to the Green Party."
> >>
> >> Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not the
> >> Santa Clara Greens.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I
> >>> wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party
> >> values
> >>> state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
> >>>
> >>> Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing or
> >> what
> >>> have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county
> list.
> >>
> >> Please reference above.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC
> >> fashion
> >>> what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his
> action.
> >> I
> >>> never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
> >>> 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined
> with
> >> his
> >>> lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even where
> he
> >>
> >>> is.
> >>
> >> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable
> with
> >>
> >> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable
> censoring
> >> him.
> >
> > Give me a break!
> 
> Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.
> 
> >
> >> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
> >> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration
> >> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand
> >> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want
> however
> >>
> >> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your
> statements.
> >>
> >> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the
> area
> >> again.
> >
> > As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because you
> > needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
> > Irishmen!
> 
> I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.
> 
> 
> >
> > As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically
> posted
> > previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the Roy 
> 
> > that
> > had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with  
> > them.
> >  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted me
> at
> > any point)
> 
> You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on this  
> list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up originally  
> so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought this
>  
> up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit you.
> 
> > So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
> > it.
> 
> What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you  
> supposedly were going to do something with it.
> 
> >
> > As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We need
> the
> > efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
> > possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along w/
> me
> > and Andrea and others) to be vital members!
> 
> That's a whole other kettle of fish.
> 
> >
> >> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the
> way
> >> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they
> could
> >> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing
> so.
> >>
> >> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to
> stir
> >> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do
> the
> >> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
> >> fuzzy.
> >
> > Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were
> berating
> > Cameron for the way he runs this list.
> 
> I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a nuisance.  
> Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was  
> being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt it 
> 
> fair if he was in the line of fire.
> 
> > In that case it was you
> > (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a GPSCC
> > stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to
> do
> > his job!!!
> 
> I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to request  
> an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list  
> (one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to respond 
> 
> in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the hundreds 
> 
> of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I  
> worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to  
> fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They weren't  
> there to fulfill my needs.
> 
> > So please try to understand how that came across and then
> > for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have the
> > right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.
> 
> There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green Party 
> 
> member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the Green  
> Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so  
> there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.
> 
> Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a  
> hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word  
> xenophobic to describe this behaviour.
> 
> I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's transpired  
> here.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 03:07:49 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 03:07:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <9EB0B61A-D9BC-44E3-A933-034B94E8145E@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <20070309110749.92496.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh and further Roy let's simply read the very purpose item you yourself
quote:

email lists
The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
relevant to the Green Party.

ML IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE GPSCC.   As the above states these two lists
belong to the Green Party of Santa Clara County.  He's not a Member of
The Green Party which is refered to above.  If we allow non-members to
observe they are guests and do not have the 'right' to be here, and
certainly do not have the 'right' to post (at all if we chose to limit
them which we have not).

So again my very mildly in best NVC fashion letting ML know that I (as
part of the GPSCC authority, the County Council) felt uncomfortable
with his non-Member posting.  He got into a tizzy and mistook me to be
asking him to leave.  I didn't ask him to do that, but given how he
responded I'm perfectly pleased that he chose to leave voluntarily.  
That's the way it is Roy and all your ongoing attempt to blow it out of
proportion is not accomplishing anything positive.  So please just stop
and let's get on with working together to get our Media Committee
effort up and running.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the rouble post but there was a whole bunch that needed to 
> 
> be cut.
> 
> Drew
> 
> You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and who  
> could participate on it.
> 
> Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it  
> says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics relevant
>  
> to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the Santa
>  
> Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You rant,
>  
> you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you still 
> 
> have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important to
>  
> you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time it
>  
> would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive
> tirade.
> 
> 
> email lists
> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
> relevant to the Green Party.
> 
> 
> >>
> >> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable
> with
> >>
> >> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable
> censoring
> >> him.
> >
> > Give me a break!
> 
> Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.
> 
> >
> >> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
> >> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration
> >> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand
> >> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want
> however
> >>
> >> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your
> statements.
> >>
> >> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the
> area
> >> again.
> >
> > As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because you
> > needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
> > Irishmen!
> 
> I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.
> 
> 
> >
> > As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically
> posted
> > previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the Roy 
> 
> > that
> > had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with  
> > them.
> >  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted me
> at
> > any point)
> 
> You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on this  
> list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up originally  
> so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought this
>  
> up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit you.
> 
> > So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
> > it.
> 
> What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you  
> supposedly were going to do something with it.
> 
> >
> > As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We need
> the
> > efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
> > possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along w/
> me
> > and Andrea and others) to be vital members!
> 
> That's a whole other kettle of fish.
> 
> >
> >> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the
> way
> >> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they
> could
> >> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing
> so.
> >>
> >> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to
> stir
> >> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do
> the
> >> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
> >> fuzzy.
> >
> > Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were
> berating
> > Cameron for the way he runs this list.
> 
> I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a nuisance.  
> Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was  
> being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt it 
> 
> fair if he was in the line of fire.
> 
> > In that case it was you
> > (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a GPSCC
> > stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to
> do
> > his job!!!
> 
> I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to request  
> an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list  
> (one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to respond 
> 
> in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the hundreds 
> 
> of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I  
> worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to  
> fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They weren't  
> there to fulfill my needs.
> 
> > So please try to understand how that came across and then
> > for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have the
> > right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.
> 
> There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green Party 
> 
> member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the Green  
> Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so  
> there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.
> 
> Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a  
> hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word  
> xenophobic to describe this behaviour.
> 
> I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's transpired  
> here.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 


___________________

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Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 03:21:20 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 03:21:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] March 17th Get Out of Iraq! Stay Out of Iran!
	(was Re: metro ad preview)
In-Reply-To: <d3d.3f56cb8.33227275@aol.com>
Message-ID: <195679.60402.qm@web52202.mail.yahoo.com>

Merriam, no what I am saying is that you need BOTH the "south of Santa
Row" line (which is missing but could still be added and that's why I'm
giving the feedback) AND the reference to the two incredibly obscure
little streets that no one without a Thomas Guide or mapquest will be
able to find.  You need BOTH.  Otherwise people will not know how to
find the rally.  How many will be motivated to mapquest for it???  Only
a small percentage.

Impeach for peace!

Drew


--- MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Drew,
> 
> The "Santana Park" location is not inadequately described in the ad. 
> The 
> best way to describe a location is to give street coordinates as in,
> Santana Park 
> (Tisch & Monroe) and this is what the ad states. Stating "Just South
> of 
> Santana Row" is not descriptive enough.
> 
> Merriam
> 
> jamboi at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> Hey, Impeach for Peace!? Of course there's a link between Impeachment
> and end-the-war.? If we get Bush out of there his wars will come to
> an
> end.
> 
> Also Merriam, one flaw is that "Santana Park"'s location is
> inadequately described.? Why not say it's "Just South of Santa Row"
> or
> something like that.
> 
> Impeach for Peace!
> 
> Drew
> 
> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
> 
> > Looks good, Cameron.? I like the long list of supporting groups.
> > Did we decide it is OK to link Impeachment with end-the-war??
> Because
> >? 
> > it is really prominent here.
> > Andrea
> > 
> > On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > From: MKmusic03 at aol.com
> > > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:46:58 EST
> > > Subject: Fwd: [SBM] Here's SBM's ad for the March 14th edition
> of? 
> 
> > > the Metro...
> > > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Here is a copy of the ad on the SAn Jose March 17th anti-war
> rally 
> > 
> > > and march
> > > that will appear in the Metro newspaper March 14th issue and
> that? 
> > > GPSCC
> > > donated to.
> > >
> > > Merraim
> > >
> > > The file was a little too large for distribution on a general? 
> > > mailing list.
> > > See http://gandhi.greens.org/cls/metroad.jpg
> > >
> > > Cameron
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> > 
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 03:33:35 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 03:33:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Times Set for An Unreasonable Man???
In-Reply-To: <B38147CD-0065-451E-B6A7-EA8AEB9156B2@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <136773.8652.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>

So Andie and Gerry

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> FYI.
> Andrea
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Cameracinema at aol.com
> > Date: March 8, 2007 8:49:18 AM PST
> > To: spinnstr at wrytor.com
> > Subject: Re: Times Set for An Unreasonable Man???
> >
> > we won't have the actual times until tuesday morning, but it will  
> > be showing 4 times a day for one week  . .
> >
> >
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 07:32:37 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:32:37 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <623582.92121.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <623582.92121.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <663FD3D6-6811-435A-A767-C925062D7295@duendevision.com>

You've got  lot of nerve Drew. You've been using this type of  
language all along but never responded at all when I pointed it out.  
Hell.. you've been throwing "shit" around quite liberally and now one  
little dose and you're wrapping your self in righteous indignation.  
Amazing dude. (Dude is a kissing cousin to Bubba)

By the way, you're not a shepherd nor are we sheep. You're a servant.  
You're grandiosity in this role has been obvious to all but the  
casual observer in more than one of your posts.

Peace

Duende



___________________________________
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one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and  
Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.


On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Roy , I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop using such wildly
> inflammatory language (ie. "Bubba", "rant", "rave", etc) and just cool
> it.  Just because you refuse to acknowledge the purpose of this list
> which it has carried since its inception does not change its nature  
> and
> does not make my salient points "obfuscating" no matter how much you'd
> wish it would.  Just because you don't acknowledge my sheparding role
> as member of the County Council to protect our GPSCC (ie. THE Green
> Party that we are talking about) does not alter my role.
>
> Check this out:
> "discussion of topics relevant to the Green Party" = The GPSCC and the
> GPSCC is a member of the GPCA.  So unlike you're extremely literal
> reading and understanding of this, I reiterate,
>
> EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS OF, FOR
> AND BY THE GPSCC.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>
>> Drew
>>
>> You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and who
>> could participate on it.
>>
>> Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it
>> says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics relevant
>> to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the Santa
>> Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You rant,
>> you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you still
>> have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important to
>> you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time it
>> would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive
>> tirade.
>>
>>
>> email lists
>> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
>> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
>> relevant to the Green Party.
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part
>> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
>> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
>> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for
>> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
>> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this
>> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living
>> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
>>
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:00 PM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> This list has ALWAYS BEEN by and for the MEMBERS OF THE GPSCC.  We
>> are
>>> not much limited on  the subject we discuss, but it is a LOCAL list
>>
>>> for
>>> and by the Members of the GPSCC.  ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE.
>>>
>>> NOTE ROY THAT We (the GPSCC)  are NOT AVAILABLE FOR DOMINATION BY
>>> NON-GPSCC Members.
>>>
>>> Our Bylaws  ( http://cagreens.org/sclara/ ) CLARIFY:
>>>
>>> ARTICLE 1 MEMBERSHIP IN THE GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY
>>>
>>> 1.1 Any voter who has registered as a member of the Green Party and
>>
>>> who
>>> is a resident of Santa Clara County also shall be a member of the
>>> Green
>>> Party of Santa Clara County.
>>>
>>> 1.2 Only active members will vote in official county Green Party
>>> functions, should a vote be required according to the Consensus
>>> Process
>>> described in Article 6. Official functions shall be those at which
>>> decisions are made in the name of the Party.
>>>
>>> 1.3 An active member shall be a person who has attended 2 out of
>> the
>>> last 5 meetings of the official functions at which (s)he wishes to
>>> vote. For example, a vote at a General meeting, a committee
>> meeting, a
>>> local meeting, etc.
>>>
>>> WHAT IS MY (DREW JOHNSON'S) ROLE AS  A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY
>> COUNCIL???
>>>
>>> I TURN TO THE BYLAWS AGAIN FOR THE ANSWER:
>>>
>>> ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL
>>>
>>> 2.1 Purposes
>>>
>>> 2.1.1 The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a
>>> liaison between the California Green Party and Santa Clara County
>>> officials. As used in these Bylaws, the term "County Council" shall
>>> have the same meaning as the term "Central Committee" as that term
>> is
>>> used by the Office of the Registrar of Voters for Santa Clara
>> County,
>>> California.
>>>
>>> 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from
>> among
>>> its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at
>> a
>>> General County Meeting. The Council and/or its officers will be
>>> responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements
>> of
>>> the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). The Council or its
>>> officers shall be responsible for obtaining an FPPC number for
>>> financial reporting. The Council may create such committees or
>>> initiate
>>> such inquiries as it considers necessary and appropriate to perform
>>
>>> its
>>> collective responsibilities as described in these Bylaws.
>>>
>>> 2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties
>>> include
>>> serving as a coordinating or steering committee to:
>>>
>>> a) Facilitate communications between Green Party members within the
>>> county, at county meetings, and between locals within the county.
>>>
>>> b) Facilitate communications between the county Green Party and the
>>> State Green Party.
>>>
>>> c) Assist Green Party involvement in elections in the county
>>> (including
>>> recruiting, advising and assisting Green Party candidates,
>>> co-ordinating voter registration efforts and tabling, and
>> supporting
>>> ballot issues effecting issues of concern to the state or county
>> Green
>>> Party).
>>>
>>> d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and other
>>> Green Parties and/or other local organizations which support the
>>> principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform.
>>>
>>> e) Oversee and assist the work of committees formed by the Council,
>> or
>>> outside the Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the
>>> above
>>> duties, or other duties considered necessary that are not in
>> conflict
>>> with these ByLaws; such as an electoral reform committee, an
>>> environmental issues committee, etc.
>>>
>>> 2.1.4 The County Council shall act as the designated contact
>> persons
>>> for the Green Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested
>> people
>>> to persons who may be designated as spokespeople for the Party at a
>>> General County Meeting.
>>>
>>> SO THEREFORE WE ON THE COUNCIL ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
>>> OPERATIONS OF THE GPSCC AND WILL SERVE TO FACILITATE OUR PARTY AS
>> WELL
>>> AS TO PROTECT IT FROM DOMINATION FROM NON-PARTY (THAT IS NON GPSCC)
>>> MEMBERS.
>>>
>>> So Roy, This drama you're trying to perpetuate re: ML's hissy fit
>> and
>>> exit is a dead issue. period.
>>>
>>> More intersperse below:
>>>
>>> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a
>> part
>>>>
>>>> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts
>> and
>>>> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
>>>> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison
>> for
>>>>
>>>> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a
>> few
>>>>
>>>> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from
>> this
>>>> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living
>>>> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
>>>>
>>>> Albert Einstein
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>> NOT
>>>>
>>>> Here's a quote from the SC Green website:
>>>>
>>>> "email lists
>>>> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
>>>> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
>>>> relevant to the Green Party."
>>>>
>>>> Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not the
>>>> Santa Clara Greens.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party
>>>> values
>>>>> state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
>>>>>
>>>>> Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing or
>>>> what
>>>>> have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county
>> list.
>>>>
>>>> Please reference above.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC
>>>> fashion
>>>>> what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his
>> action.
>>>> I
>>>>> never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
>>>>> 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined
>> with
>>>> his
>>>>> lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even where
>> he
>>>>
>>>>> is.
>>>>
>>>> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable
>> with
>>>>
>>>> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable
>> censoring
>>>> him.
>>>
>>> Give me a break!
>>
>> Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.
>>
>>>
>>>> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
>>>> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration
>>>> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand
>>>> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want
>> however
>>>>
>>>> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your
>> statements.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the
>> area
>>>> again.
>>>
>>> As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because you
>>> needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
>>> Irishmen!
>>
>> I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically
>> posted
>>> previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the Roy
>>
>>> that
>>> had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with
>>> them.
>>>  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted me
>> at
>>> any point)
>>
>> You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on this
>> list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up originally
>> so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought this
>>
>> up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit you.
>>
>>> So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
>>> it.
>>
>> What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you
>> supposedly were going to do something with it.
>>
>>>
>>> As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We need
>> the
>>> efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
>>> possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along w/
>> me
>>> and Andrea and others) to be vital members!
>>
>> That's a whole other kettle of fish.
>>
>>>
>>>> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the
>> way
>>>> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they
>> could
>>>> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing
>> so.
>>>>
>>>> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to
>> stir
>>>> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do
>> the
>>>> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
>>>> fuzzy.
>>>
>>> Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were
>> berating
>>> Cameron for the way he runs this list.
>>
>> I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a nuisance.
>> Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was
>> being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt it
>>
>> fair if he was in the line of fire.
>>
>>> In that case it was you
>>> (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a GPSCC
>>> stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to
>> do
>>> his job!!!
>>
>> I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to request
>> an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list
>> (one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to respond
>>
>> in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the hundreds
>>
>> of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I
>> worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to
>> fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They weren't
>> there to fulfill my needs.
>>
>>> So please try to understand how that came across and then
>>> for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have the
>>> right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.
>>
>> There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green Party
>>
>> member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the Green
>> Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so
>> there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.
>>
>> Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a
>> hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word
>> xenophobic to describe this behaviour.
>>
>> I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's transpired
>> here.
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> Duende
>>
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>>
>
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 08:01:12 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:01:12 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <20070309110749.92496.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20070309110749.92496.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <65AACF69-9FEC-41D9-8A50-E0E88B569762@duendevision.com>


On Mar 9, 2007, at 3:07 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Oh and further Roy let's simply read the very purpose item you  
> yourself
> quote:
>
> email lists
> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
> relevant to the Green Party.
>
> ML IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE GPSCC.

It never says one needs to be a member. Just that it be Green Party  
business.

>   As the above states these two lists
> belong to the Green Party of Santa Clara County.  He's not a Member of
> The Green Party which is refered to above.

It never says one needs to be a member. Just that it be Green Party  
business.


> If we allow non-members to
> observe they are guests and do not have the 'right' to be here, and
> certainly do not have the 'right' to post (at all if we chose to limit
> them which we have not).

It never says one needs to be a member. Just that it be Green Party  
business.

>
> So again my very mildly in best NVC fashion letting ML know that I (as
> part of the GPSCC authority, the County Council) felt uncomfortable
> with his non-Member posting.

It never says one needs to be a member. Just that it be Green Party  
business.

> He got into a tizzy and mistook me to be
> asking him to leave.
> I didn't ask him to do that, but given how he
> responded I'm perfectly pleased that he chose to leave voluntarily.
> That's the way it is Roy and all your ongoing attempt to blow it  
> out of
> proportion is not accomplishing anything positive.

Tizzy.. there's that language again.
He acted with pure integrity and removed him from a list that was  
unwelcoming. From my history on this list I knew(thought) he was  
mistaken. Regretfully since only 2 members have challenged you openly  
that I'm aware of it seems he was correct but lucky for you I don't  
consider silence consensus.

There you go again. How is deciding if a list is inclusive or not out  
of proportion? It's not to me. Specially when we just chased off an  
obviously thoughtful brother in arms.(who disagreed with you, Drew,  
and you ultimately used your position to try to rationalize this  
repression. It behooves us to know what people in other states are  
experiencing. As our shepard you would protect us from outside  
influence. Sounds like a combination of xenophobia and grandiosity at  
the moment. Wanna add to it?

> So please just stop
> and let's get on with working together to get our Media Committee
> effort up and running.

This is simple. If you keep insisting that this is a censured list to  
Green Party business because of a persons location and no approved  
GPSCC documentation/charter to back that up, I'll challenge ever  
instance of your's or anyone elses insistence that it is.

I like the idea of forming another list for just that purpose though,  
county members only can post, which I had recommended immediately  
after the furor caused by your trying to silence Mark.


Peace

Duende



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 08:34:46 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:34:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas from
	Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <663FD3D6-6811-435A-A767-C925062D7295@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <380787.72506.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>

Roy, sure I've got a lot of nerve.  No one has ever accused me of
lacking nerve. ;-)  Here hermano, I've had an idea.  You and I have
thoroughly expressed ourselves in the traditional way thus far and as
we can see it has gotten us not very far.  You and I are both beginners
in the art of NonViolent Communication, so what do you say we try to
apply that and see how much better that works?  I'm thinking it could
not only be a good healing thing to bring you and I back together but
could also demonstrate the amazing power of NVC.  What do ya say? 
Shall we give it a go?  

So I'll start by doing what Ursula Duncan calls a "gift of a guess" to
try to empathically connect with you...

So Roy, are you Feeling pissed off because your need for consideration
is unmet in this situation?

Now I'll just wait for your response before I try to express my
Feelings and Need

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> You've got  lot of nerve Drew. You've been using this type of  
> language all along but never responded at all when I pointed it out. 
> 
> Hell.. you've been throwing "shit" around quite liberally and now one
>  
> little dose and you're wrapping your self in righteous indignation.  
> Amazing dude. (Dude is a kissing cousin to Bubba)
> 
> By the way, you're not a shepherd nor are we sheep. You're a servant.
>  
> You're grandiosity in this role has been obvious to all but the  
> casual observer in more than one of your posts.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> 
> ___________________________________
> The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the  
> one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and  
> Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.
> 
> 
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > Roy , I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop using such wildly
> > inflammatory language (ie. "Bubba", "rant", "rave", etc) and just
> cool
> > it.  Just because you refuse to acknowledge the purpose of this
> list
> > which it has carried since its inception does not change its nature
>  
> > and
> > does not make my salient points "obfuscating" no matter how much
> you'd
> > wish it would.  Just because you don't acknowledge my sheparding
> role
> > as member of the County Council to protect our GPSCC (ie. THE Green
> > Party that we are talking about) does not alter my role.
> >
> > Check this out:
> > "discussion of topics relevant to the Green Party" = The GPSCC and
> the
> > GPSCC is a member of the GPCA.  So unlike you're extremely literal
> > reading and understanding of this, I reiterate,
> >
> > EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS OF,
> FOR
> > AND BY THE GPSCC.
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Drew
> >>
> >> You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and
> who
> >> could participate on it.
> >>
> >> Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it
> >> says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics
> relevant
> >> to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the
> Santa
> >> Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You
> rant,
> >> you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you
> still
> >> have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important
> to
> >> you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time
> it
> >> would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive
> >> tirade.
> >>
> >>
> >> email lists
> >> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
> >> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
> >> relevant to the Green Party.
> >>
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________________
> >> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a
> part
> >> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts
> and
> >> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
> >> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison
> for
> >> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a
> few
> >> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from
> this
> >> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living
> >> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
> >>
> >> Albert Einstein
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:00 PM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>
> >>> This list has ALWAYS BEEN by and for the MEMBERS OF THE GPSCC. 
> We
> >> are
> >>> not much limited on  the subject we discuss, but it is a LOCAL
> list
> >>
> >>> for
> >>> and by the Members of the GPSCC.  ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL
> BE.
> >>>
> >>> NOTE ROY THAT We (the GPSCC)  are NOT AVAILABLE FOR DOMINATION BY
> >>> NON-GPSCC Members.
> >>>
> >>> Our Bylaws  ( http://cagreens.org/sclara/ ) CLARIFY:
> >>>
> >>> ARTICLE 1 MEMBERSHIP IN THE GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY
> >>>
> >>> 1.1 Any voter who has registered as a member of the Green Party
> and
> >>
> >>> who
> >>> is a resident of Santa Clara County also shall be a member of the
> >>> Green
> >>> Party of Santa Clara County.
> >>>
> >>> 1.2 Only active members will vote in official county Green Party
> >>> functions, should a vote be required according to the Consensus
> >>> Process
> >>> described in Article 6. Official functions shall be those at
> which
> >>> decisions are made in the name of the Party.
> >>>
> >>> 1.3 An active member shall be a person who has attended 2 out of
> >> the
> >>> last 5 meetings of the official functions at which (s)he wishes
> to
> >>> vote. For example, a vote at a General meeting, a committee
> >> meeting, a
> >>> local meeting, etc.
> >>>
> >>> WHAT IS MY (DREW JOHNSON'S) ROLE AS  A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY
> >> COUNCIL???
> >>>
> >>> I TURN TO THE BYLAWS AGAIN FOR THE ANSWER:
> >>>
> >>> ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL
> >>>
> >>> 2.1 Purposes
> >>>
> >>> 2.1.1 The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a
> >>> liaison between the California Green Party and Santa Clara County
> >>> officials. As used in these Bylaws, the term "County Council"
> shall
> >>> have the same meaning as the term "Central Committee" as that
> term
> >> is
> >>> used by the Office of the Registrar of Voters for Santa Clara
> >> County,
> >>> California.
> >>>
> >>> 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from
> >> among
> >>> its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made
> at
> >> a
> >>> General County Meeting. The Council and/or its officers will be
> >>> responsible for complying with the financial reporting
> requirements
> >> of
> >>> the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). The Council or
> its
> >>> officers shall be responsible for obtaining an FPPC number for
> >>> financial reporting. The Council may create such committees or
> >>> initiate
> >>> such inquiries as it considers necessary and appropriate to
> perform
> >>
> >>> its
> >>> collective responsibilities as described in these Bylaws.
> >>>
> >>> 2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties
> >>> include
> >>> serving as a coordinating or steering committee to:
> >>>
> >>> a) Facilitate communications between Green Party members within
> the
> >>> county, at county meetings, and between locals within the county.
> >>>
> >>> b) Facilitate communications between the county Green Party and
> the
> >>> State Green Party.
> >>>
> >>> c) Assist Green Party involvement in elections in the county
> >>> (including
> >>> recruiting, advising and assisting Green Party candidates,
> >>> co-ordinating voter registration efforts and tabling, and
> >> supporting
> >>> ballot issues effecting issues of concern to the state or county
> >> Green
> >>> Party).
> >>>
> >>> d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and
> other
> >>> Green Parties and/or other local organizations which support the
> >>> principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform.
> >>>
> >>> e) Oversee and assist the work of committees formed by the
> Council,
> >> or
> >>> outside the Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the
> >>> above
> >>> duties, or other duties considered necessary that are not in
> >> conflict
> >>> with these ByLaws; such as an electoral reform committee, an
> >>> environmental issues committee, etc.
> >>>
> >>> 2.1.4 The County Council shall act as the designated contact
> >> persons
> >>> for the Green Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested
> >> people
> >>> to persons who may be designated as spokespeople for the Party at
> a
> >>> General County Meeting.
> >>>
> >>> SO THEREFORE WE ON THE COUNCIL ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
> >>> OPERATIONS OF THE GPSCC AND WILL SERVE TO FACILITATE OUR PARTY AS
> >> WELL
> >>> AS TO PROTECT IT FROM DOMINATION FROM NON-PARTY (THAT IS NON
> GPSCC)
> >>> MEMBERS.
> >>>
> >>> So Roy, This drama you're trying to perpetuate re: ML's hissy fit
> >> and
> >>> exit is a dead issue. period.
> >>>
> >>> More intersperse below:
> >>>
> >>> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> _________________________________________________________________
> >>>> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a
> >> part
> >>>>
> >>>> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts
> >> and
> >>>> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of
> optical
> >>>> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison
> >> for
> >>>>
> >>>> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for
> a
> >> few
> >>>>
> >>>> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from
> >> this
> >>>> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all
> living
> >>>> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
> >>>>
> >>>> Albert Einstein
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.
> >>>>
> >>>> Drew
> >>>>
> >>>> NOT
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a quote from the SC Green website:
> >>>>
> >>>> "email lists
> >>>> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
> >>>> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
> >>>> relevant to the Green Party."
> >>>>
> >>>> Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not
> the
> >>>> Santa Clara Greens.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party
> >>>> values
> >>>>> state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing
> or
> >>>> what
> >>>>> have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county
> >> list.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please reference above.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC
> >>>> fashion
> >>>>> what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his
> >> action.
> >>>> I
> >>>>> never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
> >>>>> 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined
> >> with
> >>>> his
> >>>>> lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even
> where
> >> he
> >>>>
> >>>>> is.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable
> >> with
> >>>>
> >>>> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable
> >> censoring
> >>>> him.
> >>>
> >>> Give me a break!
> >>
> >> Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
> >>>> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute
> declaration
> >>>> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will
> stand
> >>>> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want
> >> however
> >>>>
> >>>> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your
> >> statements.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the
> >> area
> >>>> again.
> >>>
> >>> As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because
> you
> >>> needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
> >>> Irishmen!
> >>
> >> I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically
> >> posted
> >>> previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the
> Roy
> >>
> >>> that
> >>> had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with
> >>> them.
> >>>  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted
> me
> >> at
> >>> any point)
> >>
> >> You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on
> this
> >> list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up
> originally
> >> so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought
> this
> >>
> >> up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit
> you.
> >>
> >>> So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you
> >> supposedly were going to do something with it.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We
> need
> >> the
> >>> efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
> >>> possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along
> w/
> >> me
> >>> and Andrea and others) to be vital members!
> >>
> >> That's a whole other kettle of fish.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the
> >> way
> >>>> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they
> >> could
> >>>> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about
> doing
> >> so.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to
> >> stir
> >>>> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do
> >> the
> >>>> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
> >>>> fuzzy.
> >>>
> >>> Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were
> >> berating
> >>> Cameron for the way he runs this list.
> >>
> >> I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a
> nuisance.
> >> Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was
> >> being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt
> it
> >>
> >> fair if he was in the line of fire.
> >>
> >>> In that case it was you
> >>> (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a
> GPSCC
> >>> stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to
> >> do
> >>> his job!!!
> >>
> >> I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to
> request
> >> an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list
> >> (one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to
> respond
> >>
> >> in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the
> hundreds
> >>
> >> of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I
> >> worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to
> >> fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They
> weren't
> >> there to fulfill my needs.
> >>
> >>> So please try to understand how that came across and then
> >>> for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have
> the
> >>> right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.
> >>
> >> There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green
> Party
> >>
> >> member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the
> Green
> >> Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so
> >> there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.
> >>
> >> Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a
> >> hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word
> >> xenophobic to describe this behaviour.
> >>
> >> I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's
> transpired
> >> here.
> >>
> >> Peace
> >>
> >> Duende
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >>
> >
> >
> > ___________________
> >
> > JamBoi
> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> >
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> 
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> 


___________________

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Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 09:23:13 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:23:13 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas
	from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <380787.72506.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <380787.72506.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E8DF7D9F-5342-4B87-B6EE-56C83B0EA633@duendevision.com>





On Mar 9, 2007, at 8:34 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Roy, sure I've got a lot of nerve.  No one has ever accused me of
> lacking nerve. ;-)  Here hermano, I've had an idea.  You and I have
> thoroughly expressed ourselves in the traditional way thus far and as
> we can see it has gotten us not very far.  You and I are both  
> beginners
> in the art of NonViolent Communication, so what do you say we try to
> apply that and see how much better that works?  I'm thinking it could
> not only be a good healing thing to bring you and I back together but
> could also demonstrate the amazing power of NVC.  What do ya say?
> Shall we give it a go?
>
> So I'll start by doing what Ursula Duncan calls a "gift of a guess" to
> try to empathically connect with you...
>
> So Roy, are you Feeling pissed off because your need for consideration
> is unmet in this situation?

No. But I am annoyed and a bit saddened that a person left this list  
because he was censured by a member that iin my opinion (and existing  
or lack of existing guidelines)had no right to censur them. The sad  
part is that other than myself and Tian no one else has stated their  
being uncomfortable with the whole transaction. I'm also a bit  
ammused that a person who was throwing around explicatives keeps  
alluding to NVC as a means to heal a situation when it seems to suit  
them.

I have to be honest though Drew. Since our meeting at DeAnza with  
Darci Cohen I haven't really been comfortable with you. Darci was  
taking her time to try to help us navigate the corridors of what's  
public domain images and the like and you were baraging her with your  
Green propoganda though it was quite obvious she didn't want to hear  
it. Quite truthfully I felt embarrassed by your actions since I'm the  
one who introduced you. There is a time for tabling and this wasn't  
the time. Then when I got back on the list after a prolonged absence  
almost every other post is Jamboi. Jamboi here..Jamboi there and I'm  
wondering who in the f*ck is this guy? Between the aforementioned and  
the lack of follow through concerning my recording the political  
event at the Adobe House you were not on my warm and fuzzy list for  
sure though I was admiring your energy from a place of caution. Then  
seeing Mark leave the list due to your attempted censure (and in his  
case not attempted but a faite de complie at this point) it totally  
got my goat.

Now.. that being said, it's irrelevant that it was you who had  
censored Mark, I would have taken this stand if it were anyone else.  
Though maybe not with the same amount of mistrust.

And.. I will not accept having the issue at hand, the censor of  
another Green Party member, derailed by slight of hand nor what  
appears to me to be an NVC shell game.


Peace

Duende

________________________________________________________
"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise  
they'll kill you."

     Oscar Wilde


From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar  9 09:29:31 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:29:31 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be
	the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to stand
	up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."]
In-Reply-To: <223382.40926.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <223382.40926.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
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On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:50 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Andie, again you've misunderstood me.
>
> I DID hear the quote, probably before you did Andie.
>
> It was my ENTIRE POINT that Nader was refering to a void on the
> Democratic-Independent side and NOT to the Green Party when he spoke
> about potentially running for Pres in '08.  AGAIN, HE'S NOT TALKING
> ABOUT RUNNING FOR THE GREEN PARTY NOMINATION.  HE WOULDN'T GET IT  
> IF HE
> DID, UNLESS HE ACTUALLY JOINED THE PARTY AND GOT SERIOUS ABOUT  
> BUILDING
> THE PARTY.  He never has and my firm prediction is he never will.
>
> And by the way, it looks like you're not following the Dem polls very
> closely because Obama has been zooming, and Clinton falling almost  
> like
> a rock.

I think it depends on what poll you're looking at.  Are you citing  
Zogby?  I think that one is the most reliable.
I don't know what polls guests on KPFA have been citing, but I  
suspect that if it were Zogby they would have said so.

>
> Sure if Nader runs AS AN INDEPENDENT (which is the only way he'll  
> run),
> as I said previously THE ONLY WAY HE'LL BE RELEVANT TO THE GREENS IS
> THAT HE'LL DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM US!!!  THANKS ALOT RALPH!!!  The
> good part of that is that We Greens will finally nail the coffin shut
> on being the 'spoiler' since he'll be 'spoiling' our effort probably
> more than the Dems!!!
>
> I will never be a trasher of Nader.  I totally love his policies and
> his spirit.  The rap on him that I think there's plenty o' evidence  
> for
> is that he's a very poor administrator and can't delegate.  Okay, if
> true that vice will torpedo his political chances of success and it
> explains a LOT of what we've seen (ie. him not participating in
> building the Green Parties).
>
> That aside I've been a very looooooong time admirer of Nader and will
> continue to be.  I just won't be voting for him for President again.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
>
>> Now who's misunderstanding?
>>
>> I never suggested that you HAD to know him personally, although I
>> think you would benefit from meeting him and talking to him.  I have
>> never been more than a witness to others talking to him,  so I can't
>> claim that distinction either.
>>
>> If you had heard the quote from him being reported by all the media
>> once again interested in this progressive forefather, especially when
>> he was on KPFA, you would know that I didn't mean any vacuum in the
>> GREEN PARTY.  Nader was definitely referring to the Democratic Party
>
>> and the likelihood that they were going to run Hilary; she is ahead
>> by an incredible percentage right now.  I think, but I'm not sure,
>> that Nader (like Alex, now of L.A.) was not too thrilled about Obama
>> either--something about some of his early votes.
>>
>> I think you'll find that if Nader DOES run, he will definitely be
>> relevant to the GP, as he will be a lightning rod again for spoiler
>> criticism, which will take most of the zings off the GP.
>>
>> I also did not say that YOU trashed Nader, just that he has been
>> trashed--and actually by some GP folks (personal witness here) for
>> the so-called spoiler effect--but mostly by politico pundits for the
>> Democrats and the Republicans.  I note, and I wonder if anyone else
>> has picked up on this, that the Republicans put up a good front, but
>
>> Nader scares the begeesus out of them.  He won't shut up about stuff
>> they don't want to discuss any more than the Democrats.  So they use
>> the "we're donating money to Nader, heh, heh," to try to kill his
>> candidacy that way, while the Democrats go about their mean-spirited
>> methods of intimidating the GP, a tactic that has worked very well.
>>
>> BTW, Nader was able to testify that he never accepted any of the few
>> donations that could be attributed to any Republican source.
>>
>> The pressure from both Majors certainly pushed the little lawyer from
>> TX into his original strategy of running-but-NOT-running (of course
>> only in weak Demo states--how many of those were there??!!).  I was
>> there in the southland when he had to face Nader as a possible
>> candidate and he had to make his candidacy different somehow from
>> Nader, but later  he picked up on all of Nader's platform and ran
>> with it--WHEN he ran--and he ended up having to back off on the NO-
>> RUN policy in more and more states as he got feedback from Greens who
>> thought his initial strategy was a crock.
>>
>> I sincerely hope that this time around we can pick someone with a
>> real strategy to end-run the media and to set fire to the
>> imaginations of the voters.  That's a mighty big order.
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:57 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, please set aside the sarcasm.  I don't HAVE to know Nader
>>> personally to know his history and his public statements.  He's
>> never
>>> going to join the Party (because of his pledge to his father on his
>>> deathbed that he'd never join a party) period.  So he's never going
>> to
>>> be our nominee again.  period.  Publically he stated in 2003 he
>> didn't
>>> want to be the Green Party nominee.  period.   There is no
>>> 'vaccuum' of
>>> candidates in the Green Party race of Presidential nominee and
>> there
>>> never was going to be. period.
>>>
>>> Already we have Kat Swift (G- TX), Elaine Brown (G-GA), (I think
>> Kent
>>> Mesplay (G-SD, CA) and a non Green Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) thinking
>> of
>>> joining the race.  Just like with Nader, if McKinney won't join the
>>> Greens she absolutely will NOT be our nominee.  No way.  People are
>>
>>> fed
>>> up with this phenomenon of candidates trying to use the Green
>> Parties
>>> as their vehicle to office and then doing NOTHING to build up the
>>> Green
>>> Parties and simply ignoring the Parties the whole rest of the time.
>>> Sick of it.  Forget that.
>>>
>>> And furthermore I never said Nader had ever trashed the Green
>> Parties.
>>> Where did you get that??? I don't think he's somehow opposed to the
>>> Green Parties he's just sort of oblivious to us.  And even
>> furthermore
>>> these folks that made the move -- what makes you assume they are
>> Green
>>> Party people??? I would NOT assume that.  They are Naderites and
>> you
>>> know just as well as I that the cult of personality around Nader is
>>
>>> NOT
>>> necessarily coorespondent with the Green Parties.  Most of those
>> folks
>>> bugged out when Nader said he didn't want our nomination.  Forget
>>> them!
>>>
>>> Impeach for Peace!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am amazed at how well you know Nader.
>>>> I haven't gathered half the information about his intentions
>> although
>>>>
>>>> I have read many of his books and pamphlets and attended a number
>> of
>>>>
>>>> his talks.
>>>> All I know is, he's left the door open again, this year, to fill a
>>>> vacuum, if and when it happens.
>>>> BTW, he has never trashed the Greens in any of the tons of
>> material
>>>> by him that I've read or heard.
>>>> Andrea
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 1:29 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No Andie, you misunderstand me.  He may run alright, but not as a
>>>>> Green.  He didn't WANT to be nominated last time and he doesn't
>>>>> WANT to
>>>>> be the Green nominee this time.  He won't even join the party!!!
>>>> He's
>>>>> made himself ineligible by virtue of choosing to not join the
>>>> Party,
>>>>> and it would be entirely inappropriate for the Green Party to
>>>> *again*
>>>>> try to run after someone who doesn't even want our nomination.
>> Oh
>>>>> he'll likely run alright, just as an independent or maybe he'll
>> put
>>>> a
>>>>> new party together. Now IMO THAT would be a real service to our
>>>>> country
>>>>> since IMO we NEED another truly progressive party in America to
>>>> give
>>>>> the Greens some competition.  We are entirely too flabby and
>>>>> complacent
>>>>> IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Impeach for Peace!
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you don't listen to KPFA?  On Democracy Now, Nader left
>>>> the
>>>>>> door wide open.
>>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2007, at 10:53 PM, JamBoi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thing is he won't be running on any party ticket.  Independent.
>>>>>>> End of
>>>>>>> story.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote Green for Change!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- Bob Alavi <baalavi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The comments and passage seem to generally make sense.
>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Ralph Nader, in my opinion, has been the number one PUBLIC
>>>>>> SERVANT
>>>>>>>> in the country, if there were any such thing; in a true sense
>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> word.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Chances are if he ran on any party's ticket, he'd have my
>>>> vote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Don't particularly care for any form of religious
>>>> fundamentalism
>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>   I am forwarding Lorna Salzman's comments regarding the Chris
>>>>>> Hedges
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> piece on Nader that has been referenced several times
>> recently.
>>>>>>>> Whether
>>>>>>>> you agree with Lorna on everything, and I certainly do not,
>> her
>>>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>>> here are worth reading and her passion is undeniable.
>>>>>>>> __ Lorn'a note follows __
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the importance
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>> Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What they have
>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> reveal their own failures and, worse, their continuing refusal
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> address the issues that Nader has raised in the course of his
>>>>>>>> forty-year
>>>>>>>> career. In this respect they are representatives of the
>>>> Democratic
>>>>>>>> Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only defense has been
>> to
>>>>>>>> indulge
>>>>>>>> in personal attacks, with preference given to the accusation
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> Nader
>>>>>>>> has a big "ego". What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. It
>> is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>> refuge of scoundrels and civil society criminals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the perimeter
>> of
>>>>>>>> corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party
>>>> and
>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations
>> can
>>>>>> deny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this. The Democrats, in which we include the self-important
>> but
>>>>>>>> diminutive pundits like Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue
>> to
>>>>>>>> deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues.
>>>> Not
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> them has come up with a single example of the Democratic
>> Party's
>>>>>>>> vaunted
>>>>>>>> progressivism and achievements. For those with short memories,
>>>>>> Hedges
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below, and it would
>> easily
>>>>>> fit
>>>>>>>> onto any traditional Republican list. Compared to Nixon,
>> Clinton
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> neo-con.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of
>> us
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> character of American culture and politics, and those who have
>>>>>> meekly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has
>>>>>> stepped
>>>>>>>> into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme
>>>>>> left,
>>>>>>>> whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the
>>>> capitalist
>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>> they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary vision has
>>>> been
>>>>>>>> articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively) by
>> some
>>>>>>>> environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and
>>>>>>>> occasionally
>>>>>>>> some honest libertarians (though not by minority groups like
>>>>>> blacks
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive principled
>>>> movement
>>>>>>>> combining the best of these has not been attempted, at least
>> not
>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These movements talk past one another, out of competition and
>>>>>>>> compulsive
>>>>>>>> ideologies that they as yet refuse to abandon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fact is that most American movements, outside those listed
>>>>>> above,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have bought the American dream of excessive consumerism,
>>>>>> materialism,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> growth, development, all of which are not only ecologically
>>>>>>>> disastrous
>>>>>>>> but which fit neatly into the plan of corporations. Black
>>>>>> Americans,
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the most part, just want a piece of the wealth; they don't
>> want
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> break
>>>>>>>> the golden egg laid by the capitalist goose. Their major
>>>>>>>> accomplishment
>>>>>>>> has been to persuade non-blacks and paleoliberals that the
>>>> biggest
>>>>>>>> problems facing America are racism and poverty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it?
>> But
>>>>>> isnt
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY the
>>>> American
>>>>>>>> dream
>>>>>>>> of growth, consumption and accumulation of wealth that has
>>>>>> DEPRIVED
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> many Americans of their health, jobs, wealth and dignity?
>> Isn't
>>>> it
>>>>>>>> obvious that the refusal of liberals, centrists and Democrats
>> to
>>>>>>>> confront the inequity, injustice, unsustainability and
>>>>>>>> anti-environmental character of American society has
>> contributed
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> poverty and racial/economic injustice?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to
>>>>>>>> liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which
>> is
>>>>>>>> amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem?
>>>> And
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> only a full frontal attack on the system, including its
>>>> electoral
>>>>>>>> configuration, will address the problem? This is at the heart
>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> problem with the Democratic Party: that the social and
>> economic
>>>>>>>> injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly out of
>> the
>>>>>>>> SUCCESS
>>>>>>>> of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they support, not out of
>>>> its
>>>>>>>> FAILURE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the
>>>> most
>>>>>>>> prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the
>>>>>> usual
>>>>>>>> leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity
>>>>>> Politics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader
>> (and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 2000,
>>>>>>>> Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the Green
>>>>>> Party
>>>>>>>> line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the most
>>>>>>>> exaggerated
>>>>>>>> count, three hundred thousand members, this means that over 2
>>>> 1/2
>>>>>>>> million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were non-greens;
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> Democrats, Republicans, independents, conservatives, and
>>>>>>>> libertarians.
>>>>>>>> They were that potential green constituency that lay out
>> there,
>>>>>> ripe
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the picking, which the Green Party then, in alarm and panic,
>>>>>> realized
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> could be the future decision-making body in the party. Horror
>> of
>>>>>>>> horrors! The Greens in Dem clothing, the centrists, the
>>>>>>>> paleoliberals,
>>>>>>>> the self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the
>>>>>> infiltrators
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their
>> positions
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I
>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as
>> chicken=hearted
>>>>>>>> phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They have revealed
>>>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>>>> as the embodiment of failed liberalism, the faintly
>> progressive
>>>>>> wash
>>>>>>>> painted over the cynical Democrats, and promoted by clever
>>>>>> propaganda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that distracted people from the fundamental problems by
>> focusing
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> their symptoms instead of their causes.
>>>>>>>> And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's ear
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that
>>>> still
>>>>>>>> doesn't make them right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lorna Salzman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
>>>>>>>> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
>>>>>>>> Being willing is not enough;
>>>>>>>> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
>>>>>>>> Wesley C. Rolley
>>>>>>>> 17211 Quail Court
>>>>>>>> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
>>>>>>>> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:19:55 -0500
>>>>>>>> To: esalzman at aba.org
>>>>>>>> From: Lorna Salzman <lsalzman at rcn.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Chris Hedges on 2008: "This may be the twilight
>> of
>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>> democracy. And it is better to stand up and fight, even in
>> vain,
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> not to fight at all."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Not one person has yet, to any degree, rebutted the
>>>>>> importance
>>>>>>>> of Ralph Nader's accomplishments or commitment. NOT ONE. What
>>>> they
>>>>>>>> have done is reveal their own failures and, worse, their
>>>>>> continuing
>>>>>>>> refusal to address the issues that Nader has raised in the
>>>> course
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> his forty-year career. In this respect they are
>> representatives
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the Democratic Party, the Democrats writ small. Their only
>>>> defense
>>>>>>>> has been to indulge in personal attacks, with preference given
>>>> to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> accusation that Nader has a big "ego". What does this mean?
>>>>>>>> Absolutely nothing. It is the last refuge of scoundrels and
>>>> civil
>>>>>>>> society criminals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Because the neglect of these issues, bounded by the
>> perimeter
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> corporate control, is what distinguishes the Democratic Party
>>>> and
>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> apologists. No amount of distracting insults and accusations
>> can
>>>>>> deny
>>>>>>>> this.  The Democrats, in which we include the self-important
>> but
>>>>>>>> diminutive pundits like  Gitlin, Moore and Alterman, continue
>> to
>>>>>>>> deliberately avoid discussing Nader's accusations and issues.
>>>> Not
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> of them has come up with a single example of the  Democratic
>>>>>> Party's
>>>>>>>> vaunted progressivism and achievements. For those with short
>>>>>>>> memories, Hedges reiterates the record of Bill Clinton below,
>>>> and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> would easily fit onto any traditional Republican list.
>> Compared
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Nixon, Clinton was a neo-con.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   We need to remind ourselves of the huge gap between those of
>>>> us
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> distrust and disagree with the abominable electoral system and
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> character of American culture and politics, and those who have
>>>>>> meekly
>>>>>>>> accepted it as the "best of all possible worlds". No one has
>>>>>> stepped
>>>>>>>> into this gap unless you include the brainless witless extreme
>>>>>> left,
>>>>>>>> whose praxis and objectives eerily mirror those of the
>>>> capitalist
>>>>>>>> system they profess to hate. A progressive revolutionary
>> vision
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> been articulated (and then only partially and ineffectively)
>> by
>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> environmental leaders, decentralists, bioregionalists, and
>>>>>>>> occasionally some honest libertarians (though not by minority
>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>>> like blacks and Hispanics). But the construction of a cohesive
>>>>>>>> principled movement combining the best of these has not been
>>>>>>>> attempted, at least not yet. These movements talk past one
>>>>>> another,
>>>>>>>> out of competition and compulsive ideologies that they as yet
>>>>>> refuse
>>>>>>>> to abandon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   The fact is that most American movements, outside those
>> listed
>>>>>>>> above, have bought the American dream of excessive
>> consumerism,
>>>>>>>> materialism, growth, development, all of which are not only
>>>>>>>> ecologically disastrous but which fit neatly into the plan of
>>>>>>>> corporations. Black Americans, for the most part, just want a
>>>>>> piece
>>>>>>>> of the wealth; they don't want to break the golden egg laid by
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> capitalist goose. Their major accomplishment has been to
>>>> persuade
>>>>>>>> non-blacks and  paleoliberals that the biggest problems facing
>>>>>>>> America are racism and poverty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Now, it would seem dumb and cruel to deny this, wouldnt it?
>>>> But
>>>>>>>> isnt it dumber to ignore the fact that it has been PRECISELY
>> the
>>>>>>>> American dream  of growth, consumption and accumulation of
>>>> wealth
>>>>>>>> that has DEPRIVED so many Americans of their health, jobs,
>>>> wealth
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> dignity? Isn't it obvious that the refusal of liberals,
>>>> centrists
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Democrats to confront the inequity, injustice,
>> unsustainability
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> anti-environmental character of American society has
>> contributed
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> poverty and  racial/economic injustice?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    How can real progressives ever hope to explain this to
>>>>>>>> liberals...explain that the system they trust and love, which
>> is
>>>>>>>> amenable to incremental but marginal reforms, IS the problem?
>>>> And
>>>>>>>> that only a full frontal attack on the system, including its
>>>>>>>> electoral configuration, will address the problem? This is at
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> heart of the problem with the Democratic Party: that the
>> social
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> economic injustices they traditionally abhorred grow directly
>>>> out
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the SUCCESS of the POLIITICAL and ECONOMIC system they
>> support,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> out of its FAILURE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Of all the failed movements, the green movement/party is the
>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> prominent and the most tragic, victim as it is of not just the
>>>>>> usual
>>>>>>>> leftist infighting but of the post-modern fads like Identity
>>>>>> Politics
>>>>>>>> and Political Correctness. What the enemies of Ralph Nader
>> (and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> present Green Party leadership) try to forget is the fact that
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 2000, Ralph Nader collected nearly THREE MILLION VOTES on the
>>>>>> Green
>>>>>>>> Party line. Given that the national P enrollment was, at the
>>>> most
>>>>>>>> exaggerated count, three hundred thousand members, this means
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> over 2 1/2 million Americans voted for Nader!!! And they were
>>>>>>>> non-greens; they were Democrats, Republicans, independents,
>>>>>>>> conservatives, and libertarians. They were that potential
>> green
>>>>>>>> constituency that lay out there, ripe for the picking, which
>> the
>>>>>>>> Green Party then, in alarm and panic, realized could be the
>>>> future
>>>>>>>> decision-making body in the party. Horror of horrors! The
>> Greens
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Dem clothing, the centrists, the paleoliberals, the
>>>>>>>>  self-serving phony populists like Michael Moore, the
>>>> infiltrators
>>>>>>>> like Medea Benjamin, all stood to be ousted from their
>> positions
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> power by....choke.....AMERICANS! What could be scarier?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   I don't blame the paleoliberals for hating Nader because I
>>>>>>>> understand their fears. They have been revealed by Nader as
>>>>>>>> chicken=hearted phonies, utter failures, and hypocrites. They
>>>> have
>>>>>>>> revealed themselves as the embodiment of failed liberalism,
>> the
>>>>>>>> faintly progressive wash painted over the cynical Democrats,
>> and
>>>>>>>> promoted by clever propaganda that distracted people from the
>>>>>>>> fundamental problems by focusing on their symptoms instead of
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> causes.
>>>>>>>>   And when someone prominent and respected gets the public's
>> ear
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> exposes their failures, why of course they get mad. But that
>>>> still
>>>>>>>> doesn't make them right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Lorna Salzman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----  From: Matt Funiciello  Sent:
>>>>>> Monday,
>>>>>>>> February 26, 2007 12:48 PM  Subject: Chris Hedges on 2008:
>> "This
>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>> be the twilight of American democracy. And it is better to
>> stand
>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all."
>>>>>>>>   Chris Hedges Says He'll Work For Nader in 2008!     When the
>>>>>> book,
>>>>>>>> "War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning" came out, intellectuals
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> peace activists alike flocked to it. It was intelligent,
>>>>>>>> well-reasoned and written by a true craftsman with some truly
>>>>>>>> horrific war stories to tell and a keen eye to analyze the
>> costs
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> all concerned. Hedges says that he will work for Ralph Nader
>> in
>>>>>> 2008
>>>>>>>> if he runs again (he will). In Hedge's article, he talks about
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> corporate rape of our government and how Nader is one of the
>>>> only
>>>>>>>> national figures to recognize this and to speak openly about
>> the
>>>>>>>> corrupt corporate ownership of our nation. He notes that
>> someone
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> Ralph's incredible resume must have only entered the public
>>>> arena
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> fight the "rapists" after their purchase of the Republican
>> Lite
>>>>>> Party
>>>>>>>> back in the 1980's and this presumes that those who further
>> the
>>>>>> "ego
>>>>>>>> trip" theory are just buying into propaganda for those too
>>>> limited
>>>>>>>> intellectually to think for themselves.     Thank
>>>>>>>>  you Chris Hedges for being brave enough to tell the truth! I
>>>>>>>> sincerely hope that the "propaganda-eaters" don't malign and
>>>> abuse
>>>>>>>> you for telling the truth, though I suspect they will. They
>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> appreciate the truth at all and they don't like to talk about
>> it
>>>>>>>> either.     On a similar topic, I spent half a day on
>>>> "Democratic
>>>>>>>> Underground" about a month ago and was kicked off (with
>>>> absolutely
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> explanation). For those unfamiliar, DU is a website with many
>>>>>> forums
>>>>>>>> to discuss "progressive" issues, like who you like better,
>> Gore
>>>> or
>>>>>>>> Hillary. They also enjoy talking about which pro-war
>> Democratic
>>>>>>>> candidate they should vote for to end the war. Not exactly a
>>>>>> hotbed
>>>>>>>> of rational thought .... but they're Democrats. What do you
>>>>>> expect?
>>>>>>>>   The "progressives" I was chatting with were discussing the
>> new
>>>>>>>> Nader film, "An Unreasonable Man". They were literally calling
>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>> an "idiot", "a fucking asshole" and a "scumbag". I can only
>>>> assume
>>>>>>>> that this Democrat venom is residual from the 2000
>>>>>>>>  presidential run although none of these idiots could explain
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> way out of a paper bag nor do they feel that they owe me,
>> their
>>>>>>>> enemy, any explanation. In their minds, Nader was that guy who
>>>> was
>>>>>>>> "not a factor" when they mailed out all the debate invitations
>>>> but
>>>>>>>> who became the "ONLY factor" when Al Gore ran such a
>> weak-assed
>>>>>>>> campaign that he lost his own home state and Clinton's, too!
>> All
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> did on the forum with a particularly stupid chatter was call
>>>>>> Hillary
>>>>>>>> a "fascist". I backed that up by asking how someone can
>> support
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Imperialist/Big Oil/Ruling Class agenda and vote for illegal
>>>>>>>> occupation and genocide and also refuse to debate your
>>>> legitimate
>>>>>>>> opponents, Tasini and Hawkins? I may have also pointed out to
>> a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>> Nader-haters that there were many other third party candidates
>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> ballot in Florida in that infamous election and that EVERY
>>>> SINGLE
>>>>>> ONE
>>>>>>>> OF THEM had enough votes to "spoil it" for Gore. Using the
>> Dems
>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>> questionable math skills, shouldn't they be
>>>>>>>>  propagandizing against all of those candidates! Why have they
>>>>>>>> persisted in vilifying only ONE guy, especially when that one
>>>> guy
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> done more for them than any elected official has ever done?
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> guess they don't like having a conversation or they're just
>>>>>>>> frightened that their "logic" doesn't make any sense? Very
>>>> strange
>>>>>>>> behavior, indeed. These "sheeple" who call themselves
>>>> progressives
>>>>>>>> lack even a basic willingness to try and defend their
>> viewpoint
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> their blind obedience to their party bosses. This fearful
>>>> behavior
>>>>>>>> fortifies me in my certitude that Ralph is right and that we
>>>> need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> support him in whatever number of elections he may choose to
>> run
>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>>    Peace to all those with open minds who are brave enough to
>>>>>> stand
>>>>>>>> up and fight!      ;-)     Matt     Matt Funiciello
>>>>>>>> mattfuniciello at earthlink.net  Two Political Parties = One
>>>> Massive
>>>>>>>> Corporation
>>>>>>>>    Pariah or Prophet?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/
>>>>>>> 20070226_an_unreasonably_principled_man/
>>>>>>>>   Posted on Feb 26, 2007
>>>>>>>>   By Chris Hedges
>>>>>>>>   I can?t imagine why Ralph Nader would run again.  He has
>> been
>>>>>>>> branded as an egomaniac, blacklisted by the media, plunged
>> into
>>>>>> debt
>>>>>>>> by a Democratic Party machine that challenged his ballot
>> access
>>>>>>>> petitions and locked him out of the presidential debates. Most
>>>> of
>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> friends and supporters have abandoned him, and he is almost
>>>>>>>> universally reviled for throwing the 2000 election to George
>> W.
>>>>>> Bush.
>>>>>>>>   I can?t imagine why he would want to go through this one
>> more
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>  But when Nader hinted in San Francisco that he might run if
>>>> Sen.
>>>>>>>> Hillary Rodham Clinton became the Democratic Party nominee, I
>>>> knew
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would be working for his campaign if he indeed entered the
>> race.
>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>> understands that American democracy has become a consumer
>> fraud
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> that if we do not do battle with the corporations that, in the
>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>> of globalization, are cannibalizing the country for profit,
>> our
>>>>>>>> democratic state is doomed.
>>>>>>>>   I spent the last two years reporting and writing ?American
>>>>>>>> Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.? The
>> rise
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the Christian right?the most dangerous mass movement in
>> American
>>>>>>>> history?can be traced directly to the corporate rape of
>> America.
>>>>>>>> This movement, which calls for the eradication of real and
>>>>>> imagined
>>>>>>>> enemies, all branded as ?satanic,? at home and abroad, is an
>>>>>>>> expression of rage.  This rage rises out of the deep
>> distortions
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> dislocations that have beset tens of millions of Americans
>>>> shunted
>>>>>>>> aside in the new global marketplace.  The massive flight of
>>>>>>>> manufacturing and professional jobs overseas, the ruthless
>>>>>> slashing
>>>>>>>> of state and federal assistance and the rise of an unchecked
>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>> oligarchy have plunged many Americans into deep economic and
>>>>>> personal
>>>>>>>> despair.  They have turned, because of this despair, to
>>>>>> ?Christian?
>>>>>>>> demagogues who promise magic, miracles, angels, the gospel of
>>>>>>>> prosperity and a fantastic Christian utopia.  And the
>>>> Republicans
>>>>>>>>  and the Democrats are equally culpable for this assault.
>>>>>>>>   There are only two solutions left.  We must organize to
>> fight
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> corporate state, to redirect our national wealth and resources
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> fund a massive antipoverty campaign and curb the cycle of
>>>>>> perpetual
>>>>>>>> war that enriches the military-industrial complex and by
>>>> extension
>>>>>>>> the two political parties that dominate Washington, or we must
>>>>>> accept
>>>>>>>> an inevitable Christo-fascism backed by these corporations.
>>>> Don?t
>>>>>>>> expect glib Democratic politicians such as John Edwards, Sen.
>>>>>> Clinton
>>>>>>>> and Sen. Barack Obama to address these issues.  They are, as
>>>> Nader
>>>>>>>> understands, hostage to corporate money.
>>>>>>>>   Nader, perhaps better than anyone else, has grasped the
>> long,
>>>>>>>> disastrous rise of the corporate state.
>>>>>>>>   He and his small army of activists helped write citizen
>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>>> in the 1960s and 1970s that gave us, among many bills, the
>> Clean
>>>>>> Air
>>>>>>>> Act, the Mine and Health Safety Act and the Freedom of
>>>> Information
>>>>>>>> Act.  He worked with and was courted by sympathetic Democrats.
>>>>>>>> Presidential candidate George McGovern saw him as a potential
>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> mate, but Nader refused to be enticed directly into the
>>>> political
>>>>>>>> arena.  He was a skilled Washington insider, one of the
>> greatest
>>>>>>>> idealists within the democratic system.
>>>>>>>>   But the corporations grew tired of Nader?s activism.  They
>>>>>> mounted
>>>>>>>> a well-oiled campaign to destroy him.  These early attempts
>> were
>>>>>>>> clumsy and amateurish, such as General Motor?s use of private
>>>>>>>> detectives to try to dig up dirt on his private life; they
>> found
>>>>>>>> none. The campaign was exposed and led to a public apology by
>>>> GM.
>>>>>>>> Nader was awarded $425,000 in damages, which he used to fund
>>>>>> citizen
>>>>>>>> action groups.
>>>>>>>>   Lewis Powell, who was the general counsel to the U.S.
>> Chamber
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Commerce and would later be appointed to the Supreme Court,
>>>> wrote
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> memo in August 1971 that expressed corporate concerns.  ?The
>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>> most effective antagonist of American business is Ralph
>> Nader,?
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> memo read, ?a legend in his own time and an idol to millions
>> of
>>>>>>>> Americans. ... There should be no hesitation to attack [Nader
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> others].?
>>>>>>>>   Corporations poured hundreds of millions into the assault.
>>>> They
>>>>>>>> set up pseudo-think tanks, such as the Heritage Foundation,
>>>> which
>>>>>>>> invented bogus disciplines including cost-benefit and
>>>>>> risk-management
>>>>>>>> analysis, all geared to change the debate from health, labor
>> and
>>>>>>>> safety issues to the rising cost of big government.  They ran
>>>>>>>> sophisticated ad campaigns to beguile voters.  These
>>>> corporations
>>>>>>>> wrenched apart, through lavish campaign donations and
>> intensive
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> shady lobbying, the ties between Nader?s public interest
>> groups
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> his supporters in the Democratic Party.  Washington, by the
>> time
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> were done, was besieged with 25,000 corporate lobbyists and
>>>> 9,000
>>>>>>>> corporate action committees.
>>>>>>>>   When Ronald Reagan, the corporate pitch man, swept into
>> office
>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> set out to dismantle some 30 governmental regulations, most
>> put
>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> place by Nader and his allies, all of which curbed the abuse
>> of
>>>>>>>> corporations.  The Reagan White House worked to gut 20 years
>> of
>>>>>> Nader
>>>>>>>> legislation.  And, once a fixture on Capital Hill, Nader
>> became
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> pariah.
>>>>>>>>   Nader, however, did not give up.  He turned to local
>> community
>>>>>>>> organizing, assisting grass-roots campaigns around the country
>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> the one to remove benzene, known to cause cancer, from paint
>> in
>>>> GM
>>>>>>>> car plants.  But by the time Bill Clinton and Al Gore took
>>>> office
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> corporate state was ascendant.  Nader and his citizen
>> committees
>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> frozen out by Democrats as well as Republicans.  Clinton and
>>>> Gore
>>>>>>>> never met with him.
>>>>>>>>   ?We tried every way to get the Democrats to pick up on
>> issues
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> really commanded the felt concerns and daily life of millions
>> of
>>>>>>>> Americans,? Nader says in the new documentary about his life,
>>>> ?An
>>>>>>>> Unreasonable Man,? ?but these were issues that corporations
>>>> didn?t
>>>>>>>> want attention paid to, and so when people say why did you do
>>>> this
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 2000, I say I?m a 20-year veteran of pursuing the folly of the
>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>> worse between the two parties.?
>>>>>>>>   The Clinton administration pushed through NAFTA, gutted
>>>> welfare,
>>>>>>>> gave up on universal healthcare, deregulated the
>> communications
>>>>>>>> industry and abolished federal aid to families with dependent
>>>>>>>> children.  It further empowered the growing corporate state
>> and
>>>>>>>> exacerbated the despair that has fueled its allies in the
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>>>   ?For 20 years,? Nader says in the film, ?we saw the doors
>>>>>> closing
>>>>>>>> on us in Washington, on our citizen groups and a lot of other
>>>>>> citizen
>>>>>>>> groups, and what are we here for?  To improve the country.  We
>>>>>>>> couldn?t get congressional hearings, even with the Democrats
>> in
>>>>>>>> charge.?
>>>>>>>>   There is a fascinating rage?and rage is the right
>>>> word?expressed
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> many on the left in this fine film about Nader.  Todd Gitlin,
>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>> Alterman and Michael Moore, along with a host of former
>> Nader?s
>>>>>>>> Raiders, spit out venomous insults toward Nader, a man they
>>>>>> profess
>>>>>>>> to have once admired, the most common charge being that Nader
>> is
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> victim of his oversized ego.
>>>>>>>>   This anger is the anger of the betrayed.  But they were not
>>>>>>>> betrayed by Nader.  They betrayed themselves.  They allowed
>>>>>>>> themselves to buy into the facile argument of ?the least
>> worse?
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> ignore the deeper, subterranean assault on our democracy that
>>>>>> Nader
>>>>>>>> has always addressed.
>>>>>>>>   It was an incompetent, corporatized Democratic Party, along
>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the orchestrated fraud by the Republican Party, that threw the
>>>>>> 2000
>>>>>>>> election to Bush, not Ralph Nader.  Nader received only 2.7
>>>>>> percent
>>>>>>>> of the vote in 2000 and got less than one-half of 1 percent in
>>>>>> 2004.
>>>>>>>> All of the third-party candidates who ran in 2000 in
>>>> Florida?there
>>>>>>>> were about half a dozen of them?got more votes than the
>> 537-vote
>>>>>>>> difference between Bush and Gore.  Why not go after the other
>>>>>>>> third-party candidates?  And what about the 10 million
>> Democrats
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> voted in 2000 for Bush?  What about Gore, whose campaign was
>> so
>>>>>> timid
>>>>>>>> and empty?he never mentioned global warming?that he could not
>>>>>> carry
>>>>>>>> his home state of Tennessee?  And what about the 2004
>>>> cartoon-like
>>>>>>>> candidate, John Kerry, who got up like a Boy Scout and told us
>>>> he
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> reporting for duty and would bring us ?victory? in Iraq?
>>>>>>>>   Nader argues that there are few?he never said no?differences
>>>>>>>> between the Democrats and the Republicans.  And during the
>> first
>>>>>> four
>>>>>>>> years of the Bush administration the Democrats proved him
>> right.
>>>>>>>> They authorized the war in Iraq.  They stood by as Bush
>> stacked
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> judiciary with ?Christian? ideologues.  They let Bush, in
>>>>>> violation
>>>>>>>> of the Constitution, pump hundreds of millions of taxpayer
>>>> dollars
>>>>>>>> into faith-based organizations that discriminate based on
>> belief
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> sexual orientation and openly proselytize. They stood by as
>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>> children got fleeced by No Child Left Behind.  Democrats did
>> not
>>>>>>>> protest when federal agencies began to propagate ?Christian?
>>>>>>>> pseudo-science about creationism, reproductive rights and
>>>>>>>> homosexuality.  And the Democrats let Bush further dismantle
>>>>>>>> regulatory agencies, strip American citizens of constitutional
>>>>>> rights
>>>>>>>> under the Patriot Act and other draconian legislation, and
>>>> thrust
>>>>>>>> impoverished Americans aside through the corporate-sponsored
>>>>>>>>  bankruptcy bill.  It is a stunning record.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bush is the worst president in American history.  If Gore, or
>>>>>> Kerry,
>>>>>>>> had the spine to take him on, to challenge corporate welfare,
>>>>>>>> corporate crime, the hundreds of billions of dollars in
>>>> corporate
>>>>>>>> bailouts and issues such as labor law reform, if either had
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> stood up to these corporate behemoths on behalf of the working
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> middle class, rather than mutter thought-terminating clich?s
>>>> about
>>>>>>>> American greatness, he could have won with a landslide.  But
>>>> Gore
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Kerry did not dare to piss off their corporate paymasters.
>>>>>>>>   There are a few former associates in the film who argue that
>>>>>> Nader
>>>>>>>> is tarnishing his legacy, and by extension their own legacy.
>>>> But
>>>>>>>> Nader?s legacy is undiminished.  He fights his wars against
>>>>>> corporate
>>>>>>>> greed with a remarkable consistency.  He knows our democratic
>>>>>> state
>>>>>>>> is being hijacked by the same corporate interests that sold us
>>>>>> unsafe
>>>>>>>> automobiles and dangerous and shoddy products.  This is a
>> battle
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> for some unachievable ideal but to save our democracy.
>>>>>>>>   ?I don?t care about my personal legacy,? Nader says in the
>>>> film.
>>>>>>>> ?I care about how much justice is advanced in America and in
>> our
>>>>>>>> world day after day.  I?m willing to sacrifice whatever
>>>>>> ?reputation?
>>>>>>>> in the cause of that effort.  What is my legacy?  Are they
>> going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> turn around and rip out seat belts out of cars, air bags out
>> of
>>>>>>>> cars??
>>>>>>>>   These corporations, and their enraged and manipulated
>>>> followers
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the Christian right, tens of millions of them, if left
>> unchecked
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> propel us into despotism.  The corporate state has rigged our
>>>>>> system,
>>>>>>>> hollowed out our political process and steadily stripped
>>>> citizens
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> constitutional rights, federal and state protection and
>>>>>> assistance.
>>>>>>>> This may be the twilight of American democracy.  And it is
>>>> better
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> stand up and fight, even in vain, than not to fight at all.
>>>>>>>>   Chris Hedges? latest book is ?American Fascists: The
>> Christian
>>>>>>>> Right and the War on America.?
>>>>>>>> --  
>>>>>>>>   NOW PLAYING AT YOUR LOCAL MARXIST CINEMA: "DR. STRANGELEFT,
>>>> OR,
>>>>>> HOW
>>>>>>>> I  STOPPED WORRYING AND LEARNED TO LOVE THE BOMBERS".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they
>> do
>>>> it
>>>>>>>> from religious conviction" (B. Pascal)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We are already fighting World War III and I am sorry to say
>> we
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> winning. It is the war against the earth".....Raymond Dasmann
>>>
>>>
>>> ___________________
>>>
>>> JamBoi
>>> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>>>
>>> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
>>> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar  9 09:51:05 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:51:05 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <623582.92121.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <623582.92121.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <873158CA-BED8-426E-8712-403020C68356@cagreens.org>


On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:

I'm sorry, but I seem to have missed something here: how does the  
title say it is of, for, and by the Green Party Santa Clara County?   
I thought that the "sosfbay" just means south San Francisco Bay Area  
discussion group.  I know that it was started by a Green and it began  
with Green discussion, which continues for the most part to be Green,  
but we have accepted postings from members of friendly progressive  
groups (who share our political slant) inviting us to join them in  
marches, protests, contacting legislators, etc., and those postings  
have sometimes included what's happening in other Green groups.

Are you wanting to limit this to the SF South Bay?wherever/whatever  
that is?or to specifically Santa Clara County?  The latter would seem  
very limited to me, even though that probably includes Wes Rolley's  
area, but not Fremont, our closest neighbor.

Andrea


> EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS OF, FOR
> AND BY THE GPSCC.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew



From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar  9 10:00:20 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:00:20 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas
	from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <E8DF7D9F-5342-4B87-B6EE-56C83B0EA633@duendevision.com>
References: <380787.72506.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<E8DF7D9F-5342-4B87-B6EE-56C83B0EA633@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <A8827421-8EB9-4E02-A1E9-3F433522A122@cagreens.org>


On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Duende wrote:

> No. But I am annoyed and a bit saddened that a person left this list
> because he was censured by a member that iin my opinion (and existing
> or lack of existing guidelines)had no right to censur them.

Actually, I did address Mark, but offline, and urged him to stay.  I  
have a feeling he is staying out of the fray and is monitoring the  
exchanges.  He's a very nice person.  I wonder if the "far-flung"  
states are isolated for individual Greens.
Andrea

> The sad
> part is that other than myself and Tian no one else has stated their
> being uncomfortable with the whole transaction. I'm also a bit
> ammused that a person who was throwing around explicatives keeps
> alluding to NVC as a means to heal a situation when it seems to suit
> them.



From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Mar  9 10:58:18 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:58:18 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Emergency Summit to Prevent War with
 Iran, March 10, UC Berkeley]
In-Reply-To: <45F07EBF.5010900@earthlink.net>
References: <45F07EBF.5010900@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <45F1AE4A.3090406@freeshell.org>

Gerry,  Mike F and others of us (SVIC) have planned to leave for Los 
Gatos, at 4:30 p.m. on Saturday, for the Peace/Impeach MiniWalk that 
starts at 5:00. Could we leave Berkeley by by 3:00 p.m.?

Fred

Gerry Gras wrote:

> I received the email below inviting us (GPSCC) to participate
> in this anti Iran War event:
> 
>      http://handsoffiran.org/
> 


I asked if this event is open to the public,
and the answer is Yes.

Gerry


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  9 11:03:43 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:03:43 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re:
	Ideas	from Far-Flung Places
References: <380787.72506.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<E8DF7D9F-5342-4B87-B6EE-56C83B0EA633@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <45F1AF8F.6050800@earthlink.net>



Duende wrote:

<clip>


> 
> No. But I am annoyed and a bit saddened that a person left this list  
> because he was censured by a member that iin my opinion (and existing  
> or lack of existing guidelines)had no right to censur them. The sad  
> part is that other than myself and Tian no one else has stated their  
> being uncomfortable with the whole transaction. 


I thought I said something about this before...

... BUT I can't find it anywhere, including my Sent file,
so I must have deleted it.

So quickly, 4 points:

1) Mark Lause sent a grand total of 4 emails, all on the
    same day and on the same subject.  He has not sent any
    other emails in the past few months.

2) Back when the Green Party of Vermont had a discussion
    list.  I occasionally put in my 2 cents worth, when I
    thought a perspective from California might be helpful.
    No one ever complained (that I know of) about my posts.

3) I personally did not have problem with Mark's posts.

4) counts of emails by sender so far in March:

     29 Andrea
     16 Duende
      8 Gerry
      9 Tian
     47 Jamboi
      8 Wes
     (less than 5 for each of the other senders)

    145 TOTAL

     (based on archives as of 3/9 10:30)
http://lists.cagreens.org/pipermail/sosfbay-discuss/2007-March/author.html



Oops, I found my email, in a response to Alex (included below)

Gerry



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:04:34 -0800
From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
To: alexcathy at aol.com
CC: MLause at cinci.rr.com, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, gplac-forum at cagreens.org,	jamboi at yahoo.com
References: <8C92B162EC371A5-1EC0-7ADB at mblk-r29.sysops.aol.com>


Alex,

I am unclear what you are trying to do here.  Are you asking for
input from others on what they/we think of having someone from
outside the county on the list?

I don't have an easy answer.  Some thoughts:

- I think anyone should be able to subscribe.

- I am not sure how much participation should be ok from
    someone outside the county.

- I was on the Vermont Green Party list until they discontinued
    it due to excessive infighting.  I rarely participated, but
    when I did it was usually to provide some perspective available
    only to outsiders.  I think I always/usually mentioned that I
    was in California.  No one ever objected to my participation
    (at least I never heard of any objections).

- Mark sent 4 emails in a short period on a specific subject,
    but had never sent any emails before.  So I don't think his
    emails are excessive so far.

- I appreciate the emails from you (Alex) whether you are in
    or out of the county.

Gerry Gras
Member of the County Council





From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  9 11:09:08 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:09:08 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Congressional Occupations
Message-ID: <45F1B0D4.6070002@earthlink.net>


The main headline on Common Dreams today:

"Protesters Aim To Take Over Lawmakers' Offices, Fight War Funding"

     http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0309-07.htm

Gerry



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 11:27:05 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:27:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas
	from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <E8DF7D9F-5342-4B87-B6EE-56C83B0EA633@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <422626.72297.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>

So in order for NVC to do its magic I'll specifically avoid all the
non-NVC barbs in your response and stick strictly to the Feelings and
Needs in order to try to establish an "Empathic Connection" between
us...  I'm going to capitalize the NVC vocabulary so it stands out...

Here's a URL to a Basic Feelings list: http://cnvc.org/feelings.htm
Here's a URL to a Basic Needs list: http://cnvc.org/needs.htm

So am I hearing correctly Roy that you are Feeling Annoyed and Saddened
that ML chose to leave the list and that this situation doesn't meet
your Needs for Connection with a fellow (nonGPSCC) Green?

Do I hear also Roy that you are Feeling Pissed Off that the GPSCC's
longstanding traditions, expectations and SOP and Terms of Service are
not clearly stated on our GPSCC web site and that this does not meet
your Need for Clarity for the Members of the GPSCC who run and use the
e-list?

Do I hear also Roy that you Feel Angry with me because of when I stated
my discomfort with ML's non-Member posting and he subsequently chose to
leave that did not meet your Needs for Connection with and Inclusion of
ML, a fellow (nonGPSCC) Green?

Do I hear also that you Feel Amused that I have initiated an explicit
NVC dialog and that your Need after we've already gotten involved in a
conflict and your Need for Cooperation is unmet in the present
situation?

I'll stop there with my attempt to SERVE YOU by giving the Gift of the
Guess for your Feelings and Needs.

Frankly Roy I Feel Angry about the rest of your e-mail doesn't meet my
Need for Privacy over your private evaluations of a private
conversation between you, me and your friend.  I would have much
preferred that you simply give me a call if you have concerns.   IMO it
is entirely out of line for you to have posted that publically without
first having approached me and talked it over with me to see if you
could get some satisfaction in your concern.

  I WILL say again however that regarding the follow up on the video
recording, last time I checked your arm is not broken and you could
have followed up by contacting me at any time.  As you said you are
well aware of my e-mail.  It is not my sole responsibility to carry out
a relationship between the two of us.  You have your part in it too. 
So let's get this thing together and move forward, shall we???

Impeach for Peace!

Drew



--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 8:34 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > Roy, sure I've got a lot of nerve.  No one has ever accused me of
> > lacking nerve. ;-)  Here hermano, I've had an idea.  You and I have
> > thoroughly expressed ourselves in the traditional way thus far and
> as
> > we can see it has gotten us not very far.  You and I are both  
> > beginners
> > in the art of NonViolent Communication, so what do you say we try
> to
> > apply that and see how much better that works?  I'm thinking it
> could
> > not only be a good healing thing to bring you and I back together
> but
> > could also demonstrate the amazing power of NVC.  What do ya say?
> > Shall we give it a go?
> >
> > So I'll start by doing what Ursula Duncan calls a "gift of a guess"
> to
> > try to empathically connect with you...
> >
> > So Roy, are you Feeling pissed off because your need for
> consideration
> > is unmet in this situation?
> 
> No. But I am annoyed and a bit saddened that a person left this list 
> because he was censured by a member that iin my opinion (and existing
>  
> or lack of existing guidelines)had no right to censur them. The sad  
> part is that other than myself and Tian no one else has stated their 
> 
> being uncomfortable with the whole transaction. I'm also a bit  
> ammused that a person who was throwing around explicatives keeps  
> alluding to NVC as a means to heal a situation when it seems to suit 
> them.
> 
> I have to be honest though Drew. Since our meeting at DeAnza with  
> Darci Cohen I haven't really been comfortable with you. Darci was  
> taking her time to try to help us navigate the corridors of what's  
> public domain images and the like and you were baraging her with your
> Green propoganda though it was quite obvious she didn't want to hear 
> it. Quite truthfully I felt embarrassed by your actions since I'm the
> one who introduced you. There is a time for tabling and this wasn't  
> the time. Then when I got back on the list after a prolonged absence 
> almost every other post is Jamboi. Jamboi here..Jamboi there and I'm 
> 
> wondering who in the f*ck is this guy? Between the aforementioned and
>  
> the lack of follow through concerning my recording the political  
> event at the Adobe House you were not on my warm and fuzzy list for  
> sure though I was admiring your energy from a place of caution. Then 
> 
> seeing Mark leave the list due to your attempted censure (and in his 
> 
> case not attempted but a faite de complie at this point) it totally  
> got my goat.
> 
> Now.. that being said, it's irrelevant that it was you who had  
> censored Mark, I would have taken this stand if it were anyone else. 
> 
> Though maybe not with the same amount of mistrust.
> 
> And.. I will not accept having the issue at hand, the censor of  
> another Green Party member, derailed by slight of hand nor what  
> appears to me to be an NVC shell game.
> 
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> ________________________________________________________
> "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise  
> they'll kill you."
> 
>      Oscar Wilde
> 


___________________

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Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 11:43:04 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:43:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Developing E-list Guidelines (was Re: Applying
	NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas from Far-Flung Places)
In-Reply-To: <45F1AF8F.6050800@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <359754.15434.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm in agreement with Gerry that most any Green (including nonGPSCC
members) be able to subscribe to this list.  Posting is another matter.
 Like Gerry, I'm not sure how much posting from a NonGPSCC Member is
okay and when it crosses the line.  Like Gerry I posted a
(noncensuring) simple statement that I was beginning to feel
uncomfortable with ML's nonGPSCC Member posting, especially when ML had
not been upfront with and nowhere did he indicate  which GP he was part
of.

I agree with Roy's point that it would be better if we more clearly
stated on the web site the Terms of Service/Guidelines for our GPSCC
e-list.  Now when we state them they may not be any more to Roy's
liking than they are now in the implied state, but I agree with him
that its better to state them clearly.

I continue to maintain that the cross-GP Party conversation will be
better handled in its own e-list and on GreenCommons.org.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> Duende wrote:
> 
> <clip>
> 
> 
> > 
> > No. But I am annoyed and a bit saddened that a person left this
> list  
> > because he was censured by a member that iin my opinion (and
> existing  
> > or lack of existing guidelines)had no right to censur them. The sad
>  
> > part is that other than myself and Tian no one else has stated
> their  
> > being uncomfortable with the whole transaction. 
> 
> 
> I thought I said something about this before...
> 
> ... BUT I can't find it anywhere, including my Sent file,
> so I must have deleted it.
> 
> So quickly, 4 points:
> 
> 1) Mark Lause sent a grand total of 4 emails, all on the
>     same day and on the same subject.  He has not sent any
>     other emails in the past few months.
> 
> 2) Back when the Green Party of Vermont had a discussion
>     list.  I occasionally put in my 2 cents worth, when I
>     thought a perspective from California might be helpful.
>     No one ever complained (that I know of) about my posts.
> 
> 3) I personally did not have problem with Mark's posts.
> 
> 4) counts of emails by sender so far in March:
> 
>      29 Andrea
>      16 Duende
>       8 Gerry
>       9 Tian
>      47 Jamboi
>       8 Wes
>      (less than 5 for each of the other senders)
> 
>     145 TOTAL
> 
>      (based on archives as of 3/9 10:30)
>
http://lists.cagreens.org/pipermail/sosfbay-discuss/2007-March/author.html
> 
> 
> 
> Oops, I found my email, in a response to Alex (included below)
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:04:34 -0800
> From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
> To: alexcathy at aol.com
> CC: MLause at cinci.rr.com, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org,
> gplac-forum at cagreens.org,	jamboi at yahoo.com
> References: <8C92B162EC371A5-1EC0-7ADB at mblk-r29.sysops.aol.com>
> 
> 
> Alex,
> 
> I am unclear what you are trying to do here.  Are you asking for
> input from others on what they/we think of having someone from
> outside the county on the list?
> 
> I don't have an easy answer.  Some thoughts:
> 
> - I think anyone should be able to subscribe.
> 
> - I am not sure how much participation should be ok from
>     someone outside the county.
> 
> - I was on the Vermont Green Party list until they discontinued
>     it due to excessive infighting.  I rarely participated, but
>     when I did it was usually to provide some perspective available
>     only to outsiders.  I think I always/usually mentioned that I
>     was in California.  No one ever objected to my participation
>     (at least I never heard of any objections).
> 
> - Mark sent 4 emails in a short period on a specific subject,
>     but had never sent any emails before.  So I don't think his
>     emails are excessive so far.
> 
> - I appreciate the emails from you (Alex) whether you are in
>     or out of the county.
> 
> Gerry Gras
> Member of the County Council
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Fri Mar  9 11:56:28 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:56:28 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation...
Message-ID: <E1HPlCW-00037q-00@truffula>


For now, I'm in charge of sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org.
It's paid for by the Green Party of California through
its IT Subcommittee.  That makes GP of Cal responsible
for it, and my charge over it is delegated from GP of Cal.

Here is my philosophy about running a discussion
list, which has been the de-facto charter of this list
for years.  He who governs least, governs best.
That is, no rules that are not needed to prevent harm.
Trust the subscribers to behave themselves well enough
most of the time.  Politeness is common sense.

Revealing confidential information is harmful.  Could be
personal, or strategic.  Threats and insults are harmful.
Racism, sexism, homophobia, ethnism, etc etc are harmful.
Sarcasm is often harmful.
Technical stunts like broad crossposting and
tricky Bcc arrangements have done harm.  Subscribing
one mailing list to another makes a mess.
Subscribing addresses you don't control is harmful.

But the most harmful recurring behavior I've seen in
two decades of email and Usenet has been the angry
back-and-forth known as "flame wars."  In the heat of the moment,
people reply to email in ways they might not face to face.
They degrade the value of a mailing list, driving away the
most thoughtful subscribers, in a spiral that has wrecked
much of Usenet and countless mailing lists and web fora.
They're easy to stop, just let the other guy have
the last word.

Flame wars often begin with one subscriber trying to
control the behavior of another.
The flame wars over restricting visitors do
more harm than the visitors' presence might.
So my rule is the same as for a face to face meeting.
Visitors welcome as long as they don't disrupt the
meeting.  I can imagine a visitor might be interested in
us as a typical county, whether we are or not, just as
a Green from the East might want to sit in on our
business meeting.

Relax.  Trust your list owner.  If a visitor gets out of
hand, I deal with it off-list.  I can block them if I
have to.

-- 
Cameron, your autocratic list dictator.
http://greens.org/cls



From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Mar  9 11:59:24 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:59:24 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation andd
 Developing E-list Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <422626.72297.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <422626.72297.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45F1BC9C.2010206@charter.net>

JamBoi wrote:
> the GPSCC's longstanding traditions, expectations and SOP and Terms of Service are not clearly stated on our GPSCC web site and that this does not meet your Need for Clarity for the Members of the GPSCC who run and use the e-list?
I have stayed out of this discussion up to now. But, there is one thing 
that bothers me and which I will insert at this point.

Having been on this list for about as long as I have been a member of 
the Green Party, I do not ever recall that there are "longstanding 
traditions, expectations and SOP and Terms of Service " which meet the 
definition that you (Drew) are implying.

Taking a note from your other post....

> Now when we state them they may not be any more to Roy's
> liking than they are now in the implied state, but I agree with him that its better to state them clearly.
There is also the implication that said "Terms of Service/Guidelines for 
our GPSCC e-list." will not be any more to anyone's liking than they are 
now in the implied state, since there is some disagreement as to what 
that implied state is.


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 12:07:22 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:07:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Developing E-list Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <45F1BC9C.2010206@charter.net>
Message-ID: <763189.71585.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

Now that Cameron has posted you (Wes) can see that what I was refering
to as longstanding 
> traditions, expectations and SOP and Terms of Service " are Cameron's
'he who governs best, governs least' philosophy.  He prefers NOT to
enumerate the rules.  I somewhat disagree with Cameron on this and
agree somewhat more with Roy and I think at list to some degree, at
least a few of the (otherwise implied) expectations would be better to
state up front so that there is no question later on.  Some people
(perhaps Roy and I are two of them) are a bit more concrete thinkers
and do better if the boundaries are more clearly stated.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> JamBoi wrote:
> > the GPSCC's longstanding traditions, expectations and SOP and Terms
> of Service are not clearly stated on our GPSCC web site and that this
> does not meet your Need for Clarity for the Members of the GPSCC who
> run and use the e-list?
> I have stayed out of this discussion up to now. But, there is one
> thing 
> that bothers me and which I will insert at this point.
> 
> Having been on this list for about as long as I have been a member of
> 
> the Green Party, I do not ever recall that there are "longstanding 
> traditions, expectations and SOP and Terms of Service " which meet
> the 
> definition that you (Drew) are implying.
> 
> Taking a note from your other post....
> 
> > Now when we state them they may not be any more to Roy's
> > liking than they are now in the implied state, but I agree with him
> that its better to state them clearly.
> There is also the implication that said "Terms of Service/Guidelines
> for 
> our GPSCC e-list." will not be any more to anyone's liking than they
> are 
> now in the implied state, since there is some disagreement as to what
> 
> that implied state is.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 12:26:54 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:26:54 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas
	from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <422626.72297.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <422626.72297.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <354DA487-93D5-4372-9468-533C6935185F@duendevision.com>



Nah.. I don't want to play NVC games with you.

>
> Frankly Roy I Feel Angry about the rest of your e-mail doesn't meet my
> Need for Privacy over your private evaluations of a private
> conversation between you, me and your friend.  I would have much
> preferred that you simply give me a call if you have concerns.    
> IMO it
> is entirely out of line for you to have posted that publically without
> first having approached me and talked it over with me to see if you
> could get some satisfaction in your concern.

My intention was to let you as well as others on this list know that  
I may have have a bit more energy behind my posts than just the issue  
with your censoring someone. I outlined my mental process for my  
mistrust of you not as a indictment of you but laying bare what was a  
possible agenda above and beyond the issue of censorship.

>
>   I WILL say again however that regarding the follow up on the video
> recording, last time I checked your arm is not broken and you could
> have followed up by contacting me at any time.  As you said you are
> well aware of my e-mail.  It is not my sole responsibility to carry  
> out
> a relationship between the two of us.  You have your part in it too.
> So let's get this thing together and move forward, shall we???

  You seem to think it was my responsibility to track you down. Let  
me see. You wanted the event video taped.. for free. I came and did  
this... for free (I even paid for the tapes). I'm suspecting that you  
never asked for the tapes because you really didn't know what to do  
with the tapes or even have a reason for them. They are no longer  
even timely so your exhortations to work on it now are quite  
irrelevant. In essence you wasted my time but I'm suspecting this is  
because you basically just over committed your self for the time  
period. None the less don't put the onus of getting the tapes into  
your hands on me. I could have gotten them to you if I chose to but I  
didn't. It's not because my arm was broken.. I was just entertaining  
it else where.

This is the last I will comment on this since it takes away from the  
real issue at hand and that is the right of you or any other member  
of this list to censor any other member of this list.

Peace

Duende



From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 12:28:51 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:28:51 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Developing E-list Guidelines (was Re:
	Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas from Far-Flung Places)
In-Reply-To: <359754.15434.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <359754.15434.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F8B76C8C-2B07-4A20-BE23-F4F8C96B9690@duendevision.com>

Cameron, Gerry

I appreciate your input. If you recall when we created the NaderBay  
list it was open to every one from all over and other than that one  
guy with big apple in his email address there was never a problem.  
Heck, he hd republicans on the list.

Drew

I do not agree that this list be limited but that another list be  
created that is if need be.

Peace

Duende


___________________________________
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one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and  
Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.


On Mar 9, 2007, at 11:43 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> I'm in agreement with Gerry that most any Green (including nonGPSCC
> members) be able to subscribe to this list.  Posting is another  
> matter.
>  Like Gerry, I'm not sure how much posting from a NonGPSCC Member is
> okay and when it crosses the line.  Like Gerry I posted a
> (noncensuring) simple statement that I was beginning to feel
> uncomfortable with ML's nonGPSCC Member posting, especially when ML  
> had
> not been upfront with and nowhere did he indicate  which GP he was  
> part
> of.
>
> I agree with Roy's point that it would be better if we more clearly
> stated on the web site the Terms of Service/Guidelines for our GPSCC
> e-list.  Now when we state them they may not be any more to Roy's
> liking than they are now in the implied state, but I agree with him
> that its better to state them clearly.
>
> I continue to maintain that the cross-GP Party conversation will be
> better handled in its own e-list and on GreenCommons.org.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Duende wrote:
>>
>> <clip>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> No. But I am annoyed and a bit saddened that a person left this
>> list
>>> because he was censured by a member that iin my opinion (and
>> existing
>>> or lack of existing guidelines)had no right to censur them. The sad
>>
>>> part is that other than myself and Tian no one else has stated
>> their
>>> being uncomfortable with the whole transaction.
>>
>>
>> I thought I said something about this before...
>>
>> ... BUT I can't find it anywhere, including my Sent file,
>> so I must have deleted it.
>>
>> So quickly, 4 points:
>>
>> 1) Mark Lause sent a grand total of 4 emails, all on the
>>     same day and on the same subject.  He has not sent any
>>     other emails in the past few months.
>>
>> 2) Back when the Green Party of Vermont had a discussion
>>     list.  I occasionally put in my 2 cents worth, when I
>>     thought a perspective from California might be helpful.
>>     No one ever complained (that I know of) about my posts.
>>
>> 3) I personally did not have problem with Mark's posts.
>>
>> 4) counts of emails by sender so far in March:
>>
>>      29 Andrea
>>      16 Duende
>>       8 Gerry
>>       9 Tian
>>      47 Jamboi
>>       8 Wes
>>      (less than 5 for each of the other senders)
>>
>>     145 TOTAL
>>
>>      (based on archives as of 3/9 10:30)
>>
> http://lists.cagreens.org/pipermail/sosfbay-discuss/2007-March/ 
> author.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Oops, I found my email, in a response to Alex (included below)
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
>> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:04:34 -0800
>> From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
>> To: alexcathy at aol.com
>> CC: MLause at cinci.rr.com, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org,
>> gplac-forum at cagreens.org,	jamboi at yahoo.com
>> References: <8C92B162EC371A5-1EC0-7ADB at mblk-r29.sysops.aol.com>
>>
>>
>> Alex,
>>
>> I am unclear what you are trying to do here.  Are you asking for
>> input from others on what they/we think of having someone from
>> outside the county on the list?
>>
>> I don't have an easy answer.  Some thoughts:
>>
>> - I think anyone should be able to subscribe.
>>
>> - I am not sure how much participation should be ok from
>>     someone outside the county.
>>
>> - I was on the Vermont Green Party list until they discontinued
>>     it due to excessive infighting.  I rarely participated, but
>>     when I did it was usually to provide some perspective available
>>     only to outsiders.  I think I always/usually mentioned that I
>>     was in California.  No one ever objected to my participation
>>     (at least I never heard of any objections).
>>
>> - Mark sent 4 emails in a short period on a specific subject,
>>     but had never sent any emails before.  So I don't think his
>>     emails are excessive so far.
>>
>> - I appreciate the emails from you (Alex) whether you are in
>>     or out of the county.
>>
>> Gerry Gras
>> Member of the County Council
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>
>
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>
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>
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> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 13:11:04 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:11:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas
	from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <354DA487-93D5-4372-9468-533C6935185F@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <20070309211104.33939.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>

It looks to me that you Roy want to play what we call in the NVC
Community the 'Right/Wrong' game.  I don't want to play that game with
you.  If we were to play any 'game' I'd like to play what Dr. Marshall
Rosenberg calls the 'making life wonderful' game.

I'll say again and right up front I really don't appreciate your outing
of private things publically and I don't appreciate your evaluations on
the video project without you having ever privately discussed them or
you having ever attempted to contact me.

The (still potential) video project can go forward at any time.  That
is something for the GPSCC and the GPCA and has really very little
ultimately to do with you or me personally.  It is simply an
opportunity for us to participate in.  If you don't want to
participate, I'll count that as a shame, but I would accept it.  I
believe that in all things its more important to focus on principles
than on personalities.  If you're willing to put the GPSCC, GPCA and
GPUS ahead of whatever disagreements we may have then let's move
forward.  If you can't bear the thought of reconcilling with me then I
am sad but I won't concern myself further with it.

And by the way I would REALLY enjoy it if you would offer me the "Gift
of the Guess" I have done for you.   Would you be willing to try to
make the empathic connection with me???

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Nah.. I don't want to play NVC games with you.
> 
> >
> > Frankly Roy I Feel Angry about the rest of your e-mail doesn't meet
> my
> > Need for Privacy over your private evaluations of a private
> > conversation between you, me and your friend.  I would have much
> > preferred that you simply give me a call if you have concerns.    
> > IMO it
> > is entirely out of line for you to have posted that publically
> without
> > first having approached me and talked it over with me to see if you
> > could get some satisfaction in your concern.
> 
> My intention was to let you as well as others on this list know that 
> 
> I may have have a bit more energy behind my posts than just the issue
>  
> with your censoring someone. I outlined my mental process for my  
> mistrust of you not as a indictment of you but laying bare what was a
>  
> possible agenda above and beyond the issue of censorship.
> 
> >
> >   I WILL say again however that regarding the follow up on the
> video
> > recording, last time I checked your arm is not broken and you could
> > have followed up by contacting me at any time.  As you said you are
> > well aware of my e-mail.  It is not my sole responsibility to carry
>  
> > out
> > a relationship between the two of us.  You have your part in it
> too.
> > So let's get this thing together and move forward, shall we???
> 
>   You seem to think it was my responsibility to track you down. Let  
> me see. You wanted the event video taped.. for free. I came and did  
> this... for free (I even paid for the tapes). I'm suspecting that you
>  
> never asked for the tapes because you really didn't know what to do  
> with the tapes or even have a reason for them. They are no longer  
> even timely so your exhortations to work on it now are quite  
> irrelevant. In essence you wasted my time but I'm suspecting this is 
> 
> because you basically just over committed your self for the time  
> period. None the less don't put the onus of getting the tapes into  
> your hands on me. I could have gotten them to you if I chose to but I
>  
> didn't. It's not because my arm was broken.. I was just entertaining 
> 
> it else where.
> 
> This is the last I will comment on this since it takes away from the 
> 
> real issue at hand and that is the right of you or any other member  
> of this list to censor any other member of this list.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 13:15:36 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:15:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Developing E-list Guidelines (was Re:
	Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas from Far-Flung Places)
In-Reply-To: <F8B76C8C-2B07-4A20-BE23-F4F8C96B9690@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <323293.52075.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com>

Well then, there you have it - a compromise.  Let's finally get our
CountyDev at Greens.org and PresCandidates at Greens.org  started. 
Cameron???  If you (Cameron) are not willing we can always go with
RiseUp.net so please Cameron if you would (finally) reply to this
implicit request I've made over and over the last few days it'd be
really appreciated.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> Cameron, Gerry
> 
> I appreciate your input. If you recall when we created the NaderBay  
> list it was open to every one from all over and other than that one  
> guy with big apple in his email address there was never a problem.  
> Heck, he hd republicans on the list.
> 
> Drew
> 
> I do not agree that this list be limited but that another list be  
> created that is if need be.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> ___________________________________
> The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the  
> one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and  
> Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.
> 
> 
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 11:43 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > I'm in agreement with Gerry that most any Green (including nonGPSCC
> > members) be able to subscribe to this list.  Posting is another  
> > matter.
> >  Like Gerry, I'm not sure how much posting from a NonGPSCC Member
> is
> > okay and when it crosses the line.  Like Gerry I posted a
> > (noncensuring) simple statement that I was beginning to feel
> > uncomfortable with ML's nonGPSCC Member posting, especially when ML
>  
> > had
> > not been upfront with and nowhere did he indicate  which GP he was 
> 
> > part
> > of.
> >
> > I agree with Roy's point that it would be better if we more clearly
> > stated on the web site the Terms of Service/Guidelines for our
> GPSCC
> > e-list.  Now when we state them they may not be any more to Roy's
> > liking than they are now in the implied state, but I agree with him
> > that its better to state them clearly.
> >
> > I continue to maintain that the cross-GP Party conversation will be
> > better handled in its own e-list and on GreenCommons.org.
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Duende wrote:
> >>
> >> <clip>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> No. But I am annoyed and a bit saddened that a person left this
> >> list
> >>> because he was censured by a member that iin my opinion (and
> >> existing
> >>> or lack of existing guidelines)had no right to censur them. The
> sad
> >>
> >>> part is that other than myself and Tian no one else has stated
> >> their
> >>> being uncomfortable with the whole transaction.
> >>
> >>
> >> I thought I said something about this before...
> >>
> >> ... BUT I can't find it anywhere, including my Sent file,
> >> so I must have deleted it.
> >>
> >> So quickly, 4 points:
> >>
> >> 1) Mark Lause sent a grand total of 4 emails, all on the
> >>     same day and on the same subject.  He has not sent any
> >>     other emails in the past few months.
> >>
> >> 2) Back when the Green Party of Vermont had a discussion
> >>     list.  I occasionally put in my 2 cents worth, when I
> >>     thought a perspective from California might be helpful.
> >>     No one ever complained (that I know of) about my posts.
> >>
> >> 3) I personally did not have problem with Mark's posts.
> >>
> >> 4) counts of emails by sender so far in March:
> >>
> >>      29 Andrea
> >>      16 Duende
> >>       8 Gerry
> >>       9 Tian
> >>      47 Jamboi
> >>       8 Wes
> >>      (less than 5 for each of the other senders)
> >>
> >>     145 TOTAL
> >>
> >>      (based on archives as of 3/9 10:30)
> >>
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/pipermail/sosfbay-discuss/2007-March/ 
> > author.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Oops, I found my email, in a response to Alex (included below)
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
> >> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:04:34 -0800
> >> From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
> >> To: alexcathy at aol.com
> >> CC: MLause at cinci.rr.com, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org,
> >> gplac-forum at cagreens.org,	jamboi at yahoo.com
> >> References: <8C92B162EC371A5-1EC0-7ADB at mblk-r29.sysops.aol.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Alex,
> >>
> >> I am unclear what you are trying to do here.  Are you asking for
> >> input from others on what they/we think of having someone from
> >> outside the county on the list?
> >>
> >> I don't have an easy answer.  Some thoughts:
> >>
> >> - I think anyone should be able to subscribe.
> >>
> >> - I am not sure how much participation should be ok from
> >>     someone outside the county.
> >>
> >> - I was on the Vermont Green Party list until they discontinued
> >>     it due to excessive infighting.  I rarely participated, but
> >>     when I did it was usually to provide some perspective
> available
> >>     only to outsiders.  I think I always/usually mentioned that I
> >>     was in California.  No one ever objected to my participation
> >>     (at least I never heard of any objections).
> >>
> >> - Mark sent 4 emails in a short period on a specific subject,
> >>     but had never sent any emails before.  So I don't think his
> >>     emails are excessive so far.
> >>
> >> - I appreciate the emails from you (Alex) whether you are in
> >>     or out of the county.
> >>
> >> Gerry Gras
> >> Member of the County Council
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >>
> >
> >
> > ___________________
> >
> > JamBoi
> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> >
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 13:36:04 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:36:04 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas
	from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <20070309211104.33939.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20070309211104.33939.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EDB516B8-3265-4CA3-89C9-750D767D9043@duendevision.com>



On Mar 9, 2007, at 1:11 PM, JamBoi wrote:

> It looks to me that you Roy want to play what we call in the NVC
> Community the 'Right/Wrong' game.  I don't want to play that game with
> you.  If we were to play any 'game' I'd like to play what Dr. Marshall
> Rosenberg calls the 'making life wonderful' game.

And can I assume you were doing the life is beautiful thing when  
making disparaging remarks about Mark's postings and then his calm  
withdrawal from the group (calling that a hissy fit). If there's a  
right - wrong dynamic it's because it was inappropriate to take the  
stance you did with Mark and have been throwing one road block in  
front of the other, be it rationalization, inference and even trying  
to use your position on the Council to keep from accepting the  
responsibility of your behavior.

>
> I'll say again and right up front I really don't appreciate your  
> outing
> of private things publically and I don't appreciate your  
> evaluations on
> the video project without you having ever privately discussed them or
> you having ever attempted to contact me.

And you "outed" my disclosure that I had took NVC because I needed  
it. That was a private conversation.

As I've mentioned before, you seem to very conveniently pull up  
circumstances to make yourself the victim but loose all sight of it  
when you do it to others.

>
> The (still potential) video project can go forward at any time.  That
> is something for the GPSCC and the GPCA and has really very little
> ultimately to do with you or me personally.

Sure.. send me a SAS that will cover 2 tapes and I'll mail it to you.  
($1.75).

> It is simply an
> opportunity for us to participate in.  If you don't want to
> participate, I'll count that as a shame, but I would accept it.  I
> believe that in all things its more important to focus on principles
> than on personalities.

You never cease to amaze me. Who said anything about my not  
participating. I've been doing political pieces for the Green Party  
before there was ever a Jamboi in my inbox. I will continue to do so  
and even with you. However I will have responsibilities written out,   
signed and posted to my web site in your case.

I don't wish to play NVC games as I said before. I don't care to  
guess what you're feeling or anything similar.. at least until you  
apologize to Mark and ask him back.

I'm sure your a nice guy at some level but right now you're tied up  
in knots over this and there's only one way to ever get over it and  
that's to own up to it. Me.. I'll just meditate.

Peace

Duende






From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Fri Mar  9 14:11:22 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:11:22 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Developing E-list Guidelines
Message-ID: <E1HPnJ4-00042T-00@truffula>


The owner of an electronic mailing list has the authority
of a pilot or a ship's captain over his vessel.
If any of you want to get married, contact me off list
but you'll have to do your vows here.

Ultimately the subscribers have final authority, because
they can leave for a more useful list.

But for those of you who want more rules than have yet been
stated, here they are.

1.  Don't be a jerk.

2.  This mailing list is for discussing tactics, strategy,
and business of the Green Party of Santa Clara County.
That's to be taken broadly: it includes events and action
of groups we act in coalition with, candidates we might
endorse and their competitors, business in our region
or state or planet that might affect us.

3.  Subscribers are expected to have read and understood
the famous essay "Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions
on Netiquette."  It's about Usenet but just about all of
it applies to email lists, web-forums, and similar things
that haven't been invented yet.  If you haven't read it,
google "emily postnews."  If you don't know who Emily Post
was, the Wikipedia article is enough.

"**NOTE: [Emily Postnews] is intended to be satirical.
  If you do not recognize it as such, consult a doctor
  or professional comedian.  The recommendations in [that]
  article should recognized for what
  they are -- admonitions about what NOT to do."

4.  Email messages are expected to be of as much value
to the recipient as to the sender.  That's why there's
no postage.  Every message to a mailing list that isn't
what the subscribers signed up for encourages people to
leave, even this one.  Before you post, look your message
over.  Is it really worth sixty progressive activists'
valuable time?   Remember that's at least half an hour
of activism that isn't going to happen.  Consider replying
off list instead.  Your message might be the very first
thing a newcomer reads, so behave.

5.  No insults.  No impugning people's motives.
Remember you can't read people's minds, so don't talk
about what other people are thinking.  Sarcasm is hardly
ever appropriate.  Give people the benefit of the doubt.
No personal back-and-forth.  You're addressing the
group, not the person who wrote the message that made
you hit "Reply."  No trolling.  No posting by non-
subscribers, excepting honored alumnis.  No posting
in anger.  This isn't a shouting contest.
No generalizing about people's behavior.  Saying "you
always do that" or "that's typical of you" is out of line.
No posting the same thing over and over.
No attachments; that's why your Internet access comes
with web server space.

6.  This mailing list is open to anybody interested in
its topic.  The question of whether there should be
a Green Party or we should go reform the Dems from
the inside instead is way off topic and any Democrats who
subscribe to disrupt the list with that kind of trolling
will be immediately unsubscribed and banned from more
servers than they might have imagined.  That's how we
deal with people who shouldn't be on the list.
Expect Democrats to subscribe to find out how we work,
and try to impress them.

7.  The archive of this list is public and you should assume
it is carefully analyzed by the FBI and the state
Democratic Club every day.  However, anything you post
is automatically copyright by you unless you disclaim it.
So if the New York Times runs your message as an Op-Ed
without your permission you can sue them.
The IT Subcommittee reserves the right to edit or remove
your message from our archive at our whim.  (We do that
when someone wants their phone number hidden, for example.)
If you want to be able to prove we edited it, sign your
message body with GNU Privacy Guard.  If you want a
copy to survive, keep a copy.

8.  The American Sign Language gesture for "applause"
(http://www.dictionaryofsign.com/main.php?g2_itemId=7285&g2_myThumb=)
may be referred to as "twinkle" but it makes more
sense to write it as "applause."

9.  No niggling about the rules.  No niggling about
niggling, either.  Loopholes are unintentional.
You know what I meant.  No backseat driving.


Cameron





From baalavi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 14:48:37 2007
From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:48:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Need a "Green Bicyclist Flag"
Message-ID: <419945.99954.qm@web52108.mail.yahoo.com>

I will be riding in AIDS/LifeCycle from June 3 - June 9, 2007.
   
  (http://www.aidslifecycle.org/5726 yes, please click and make a donation:)
   
  What I really like, please let me explain ...
   
  If you have seen the GREEN PARTY T-Shirt, with the bicyclist, and the flag displaying VOTE PEACE; I like to replicate that during the ride  (good campaign for the Greens? huh?)
   
  For that I need:
   
  1.  A few of those T-Shirts ( I may already have at least 2, but I'll be needing 7, one for each day, as I don't expect to be wearing one "more than a day" riding all day in JUNE :)))
   
  2. A flag (just like the one on T-shirt).  Have any of you seen anything like it?  Does anyone have one I may borrow for the ride?
   
  3.  (just a thought so far ... )  I like to have names witten on 6" ribbons that may hang somewhere off the bike (or the flagpole), to involve those who may want, but not be able to participate "to be symbolically present"!
   
  Let me know your thoughts.  Thanks,
   
  Bob

 
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 14:54:41 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:54:41 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Developing E-list Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <E1HPnJ4-00042T-00@truffula>
References: <E1HPnJ4-00042T-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <01B5BCD7-2352-4BF8-9456-AD084A50EA46@duendevision.com>

So captain. Two things


1: One of the crew was impersonating an officer and told another they  
better behave or walk the plank. Would you have had them walk the  
plank ?
2: Do you do divorces :-)

Peace

Duende

_______________________________________________
  "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from  
mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not  
thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and  
courageously uses his intelligence."

Albert Einstein




On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

>
> The owner of an electronic mailing list has the authority
> of a pilot or a ship's captain over his vessel.
> If any of you want to get married, contact me off list
> but you'll have to do your vows here.
>
> Ultimately the subscribers have final authority, because
> they can leave for a more useful list.
>
> But for those of you who want more rules than have yet been
> stated, here they are.
>
> 1.  Don't be a jerk.
>
> 2.  This mailing list is for discussing tactics, strategy,
> and business of the Green Party of Santa Clara County.
> That's to be taken broadly: it includes events and action
> of groups we act in coalition with, candidates we might
> endorse and their competitors, business in our region
> or state or planet that might affect us.
>
> 3.  Subscribers are expected to have read and understood
> the famous essay "Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions
> on Netiquette."  It's about Usenet but just about all of
> it applies to email lists, web-forums, and similar things
> that haven't been invented yet.  If you haven't read it,
> google "emily postnews."  If you don't know who Emily Post
> was, the Wikipedia article is enough.
>
> "**NOTE: [Emily Postnews] is intended to be satirical.
>   If you do not recognize it as such, consult a doctor
>   or professional comedian.  The recommendations in [that]
>   article should recognized for what
>   they are -- admonitions about what NOT to do."
>
> 4.  Email messages are expected to be of as much value
> to the recipient as to the sender.  That's why there's
> no postage.  Every message to a mailing list that isn't
> what the subscribers signed up for encourages people to
> leave, even this one.  Before you post, look your message
> over.  Is it really worth sixty progressive activists'
> valuable time?   Remember that's at least half an hour
> of activism that isn't going to happen.  Consider replying
> off list instead.  Your message might be the very first
> thing a newcomer reads, so behave.
>
> 5.  No insults.  No impugning people's motives.
> Remember you can't read people's minds, so don't talk
> about what other people are thinking.  Sarcasm is hardly
> ever appropriate.  Give people the benefit of the doubt.
> No personal back-and-forth.  You're addressing the
> group, not the person who wrote the message that made
> you hit "Reply."  No trolling.  No posting by non-
> subscribers, excepting honored alumnis.  No posting
> in anger.  This isn't a shouting contest.
> No generalizing about people's behavior.  Saying "you
> always do that" or "that's typical of you" is out of line.
> No posting the same thing over and over.
> No attachments; that's why your Internet access comes
> with web server space.
>
> 6.  This mailing list is open to anybody interested in
> its topic.  The question of whether there should be
> a Green Party or we should go reform the Dems from
> the inside instead is way off topic and any Democrats who
> subscribe to disrupt the list with that kind of trolling
> will be immediately unsubscribed and banned from more
> servers than they might have imagined.  That's how we
> deal with people who shouldn't be on the list.
> Expect Democrats to subscribe to find out how we work,
> and try to impress them.
>
> 7.  The archive of this list is public and you should assume
> it is carefully analyzed by the FBI and the state
> Democratic Club every day.  However, anything you post
> is automatically copyright by you unless you disclaim it.
> So if the New York Times runs your message as an Op-Ed
> without your permission you can sue them.
> The IT Subcommittee reserves the right to edit or remove
> your message from our archive at our whim.  (We do that
> when someone wants their phone number hidden, for example.)
> If you want to be able to prove we edited it, sign your
> message body with GNU Privacy Guard.  If you want a
> copy to survive, keep a copy.
>
> 8.  The American Sign Language gesture for "applause"
> (http://www.dictionaryofsign.com/main.php?g2_itemId=7285&g2_myThumb=)
> may be referred to as "twinkle" but it makes more
> sense to write it as "applause."
>
> 9.  No niggling about the rules.  No niggling about
> niggling, either.  Loopholes are unintentional.
> You know what I meant.  No backseat driving.
>
>
> Cameron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss



From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Mar  9 14:58:50 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:58:50 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeach whom?
Message-ID: <45F1E6AA.408@charter.net>

Here is some input to the discussion of impeachment.  Right now, the 
emotion may focus on Cheney but I believe that the attention should 
focus on Gonzales for the simple reason that, right now, he is more 
vulnerable.  Both parties are going after him.  It almost seems that 
Senators  Leahy and Specter are loading each others guns before firing 
and, if they miss, Rep. Conyers is waiting over the Hill. If I were 
marching, I would be ready to call attention to all of these violations 
of the right of privacy. Keep up the pressure, take it to the newspapers 
and Gonzales will become an embarrassment and be asked to take one for 
the team... just like they asked Scooter Libby.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070309/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/national_security_letters_25 


*Justice: FBI misused Patriot Act powers
*By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer 42 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The *FBI* improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the 
USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people in 
the United States, a Justice Department audit concluded Friday.

And for three years the FBI underreported to Congress how often it 
forced businesses to turn over the customer data, the audit found.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who oversees the FBI, described the 
problems cited in the report as unacceptable and left open the 
possibility of criminal charges. He ordered further investigation.

"Once we get that information, we'll be in a better position to assess 
what kinds of steps should be taken," Gonzales told reporters following 
a speech to privacy officials.

"There is no excuse for the mistakes that have been made, and we are 
going to make things right as quickly as possible," the attorney general 
said.

FBI Director Robert Mueller said he was to blame for not putting more 
safeguards into place.

"I am to be held accountable," Mueller said. He told reporters he would 
correct the problems and did not plan to resign.

"The inspector general went and did the audit that I should have put in 
place many years ago," Mueller said.

The audit by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine found 
that FBI agents sometimes demanded personal data on individuals without 
proper authorization. The 126-page audit also found the FBI improperly 
obtained telephone records in non-emergency circumstances.

The audit blames agent error and shoddy record-keeping for the bulk of 
the problems and did not find any indication of criminal misconduct.

Still, "we believe the improper or illegal uses we found involve serious 
misuses of national security letter authorities," the audit concludes.

At issue are the security letters, a power outlined in the Patriot Act 
that the Bush administration pushed through Congress after the Sept. 11, 
2001, terror attacks. The letters, or administrative subpoenas, are used 
in suspected terrorism and espionage cases. They allow the FBI to 
require telephone companies, Internet service providers, banks, credit 
bureaus and other businesses to produce highly personal records about 
their customers or subscribers ? without a judge's approval.

About three-fourths of the national security letters were issued for 
counterterror cases, and the other fourth for spy investigations.

Fine's annual review is required by Congress, over the objections of the 
Bush administration.

The audit released Friday found that the number of national security 
letters issued by the FBI skyrocketed in the years after the Patriot Act 
became law.

In 2000, for example, the FBI issued an estimated 8,500 letters. By 
2003, however, that number jumped to 39,000. It rose again the next 
year, to about 56,000 letters in 2004, and dropped to approximately 
47,000 in 2005.

Over the entire three-year period, the FBI reported issuing 143,074 
national security letters requesting customer data from businesses, the 
audit found. But that did not include an additional 8,850 requests that 
were never recorded in the FBI's database, the audit found.

Also, Fine's audit noted, a 2006 report to Congress showing that the FBI 
delivered only 9,254 national security letters during the previous year 
? on 3,501 U.S. citizens and legal residents ? was only required to 
report certain types of requests for information. That report did not 
outline the full scope of the national security letter requests in 2005, 
nor was it required to, Fine's office said.

Additionally, the audit found, the FBI identified 26 possible violations 
in its use of the national security letters, including failing to get 
proper authorization, making improper requests under the law and 
unauthorized collection of telephone or Internet e-mail records.

Of the violations, 22 were caused by FBI errors, while the other four 
were the result of mistakes made by the firms that received the letters.

The FBI also used so-called "exigent letters," signed by officials at 
FBI headquarters who were not authorized to sign national security 
letters, to obtain information. In at least 700 cases, these exigent 
letters were sent to three telephone companies to get toll billing 
records and subscriber information.

"In many cases, there was no pending investigation associated with the 
request at the time the exigent letters were sent," the audit concluded.

In a letter to Fine, Gonzales asked the inspector general to issue a 
follow-up audit in July on whether the FBI had followed recommendations 
to fix the problems.

"To say that I am concerned about what has been revealed in this report 
would be an enormous understatement," Gonzales told the privacy 
officials. "Failure to adequately protect information privacy simply is 
a failure to do our jobs."

Senators outraged over the conclusions signaled they would provide 
tougher oversight of the FBI ? and perhaps limit its power.

"The report indicates abuse of the authority" Congress gave the FBI, 
said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (news, bio, 
voting record), D-Vt. "You cannot have people act as free agents on 
something where they're going to be delving into your privacy."

The committee's top Republican, Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter (news, 
bio, voting record), said the FBI appears to have "badly misused 
national security letters." The senator said, "This is, regrettably, 
part of an ongoing process where the federal authorities are not really 
sensitive to privacy and go far beyond what we have authorized."

Sen. Russ Feingold (news, bio, voting record), D-Wis., another member on 
the panel that oversees the FBI, said the report "proves that 'trust us' 
doesn't cut it."

The *American Civil Liberties Union* said the audit proves Congress must 
amend the Patriot Act to require judicial approval anytime the FBI wants 
access to sensitive personal information. "The Attorney General and the 
FBI are part of the problem and they cannot be trusted to be part of the 
solution," said Anthony D. Romero, the ACLU's executive director.
___

On the Net:
The report is at: http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/FBI/index.htm
Justice Department: http://www.usdoj.gov

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 18:35:04 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:35:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeach whom?
In-Reply-To: <45F1E6AA.408@charter.net>
Message-ID: <427114.31404.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Wes.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> Here is some input to the discussion of impeachment.  Right now, the 
> emotion may focus on Cheney but I believe that the attention should 
> focus on Gonzales for the simple reason that, right now, he is more 
> vulnerable.  Both parties are going after him.  It almost seems that 
> Senators  Leahy and Specter are loading each others guns before
> firing 
> and, if they miss, Rep. Conyers is waiting over the Hill. If I were 
> marching, I would be ready to call attention to all of these
> violations 
> of the right of privacy. Keep up the pressure, take it to the
> newspapers 
> and Gonzales will become an embarrassment and be asked to take one
> for 
> the team... just like they asked Scooter Libby.
> 
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070309/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/national_security_letters_25
> 
> 
> 
> *Justice: FBI misused Patriot Act powers
> *By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer 42 minutes ago
> 
> WASHINGTON - The *FBI* improperly and, in some cases, illegally used
> the 
> USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people
> in 
> the United States, a Justice Department audit concluded Friday.
> 
> And for three years the FBI underreported to Congress how often it 
> forced businesses to turn over the customer data, the audit found.
> 
> Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who oversees the FBI, described
> the 
> problems cited in the report as unacceptable and left open the 
> possibility of criminal charges. He ordered further investigation.
> 
> "Once we get that information, we'll be in a better position to
> assess 
> what kinds of steps should be taken," Gonzales told reporters
> following 
> a speech to privacy officials.
> 
> "There is no excuse for the mistakes that have been made, and we are 
> going to make things right as quickly as possible," the attorney
> general 
> said.
> 
> FBI Director Robert Mueller said he was to blame for not putting more
> 
> safeguards into place.
> 
> "I am to be held accountable," Mueller said. He told reporters he
> would 
> correct the problems and did not plan to resign.
> 
> "The inspector general went and did the audit that I should have put
> in 
> place many years ago," Mueller said.
> 
> The audit by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine found
> 
> that FBI agents sometimes demanded personal data on individuals
> without 
> proper authorization. The 126-page audit also found the FBI
> improperly 
> obtained telephone records in non-emergency circumstances.
> 
> The audit blames agent error and shoddy record-keeping for the bulk
> of 
> the problems and did not find any indication of criminal misconduct.
> 
> Still, "we believe the improper or illegal uses we found involve
> serious 
> misuses of national security letter authorities," the audit
> concludes.
> 
> At issue are the security letters, a power outlined in the Patriot
> Act 
> that the Bush administration pushed through Congress after the Sept.
> 11, 
> 2001, terror attacks. The letters, or administrative subpoenas, are
> used 
> in suspected terrorism and espionage cases. They allow the FBI to 
> require telephone companies, Internet service providers, banks,
> credit 
> bureaus and other businesses to produce highly personal records about
> 
> their customers or subscribers ??? without a judge's approval.
> 
> About three-fourths of the national security letters were issued for 
> counterterror cases, and the other fourth for spy investigations.
> 
> Fine's annual review is required by Congress, over the objections of
> the 
> Bush administration.
> 
> The audit released Friday found that the number of national security 
> letters issued by the FBI skyrocketed in the years after the Patriot
> Act 
> became law.
> 
> In 2000, for example, the FBI issued an estimated 8,500 letters. By 
> 2003, however, that number jumped to 39,000. It rose again the next 
> year, to about 56,000 letters in 2004, and dropped to approximately 
> 47,000 in 2005.
> 
> Over the entire three-year period, the FBI reported issuing 143,074 
> national security letters requesting customer data from businesses,
> the 
> audit found. But that did not include an additional 8,850 requests
> that 
> were never recorded in the FBI's database, the audit found.
> 
> Also, Fine's audit noted, a 2006 report to Congress showing that the
> FBI 
> delivered only 9,254 national security letters during the previous
> year 
> ??? on 3,501 U.S. citizens and legal residents ??? was only required
> to 
> report certain types of requests for information. That report did not
> 
> outline the full scope of the national security letter requests in
> 2005, 
> nor was it required to, Fine's office said.
> 
> Additionally, the audit found, the FBI identified 26 possible
> violations 
> in its use of the national security letters, including failing to get
> 
> proper authorization, making improper requests under the law and 
> unauthorized collection of telephone or Internet e-mail records.
> 
> Of the violations, 22 were caused by FBI errors, while the other four
> 
> were the result of mistakes made by the firms that received the
> letters.
> 
> The FBI also used so-called "exigent letters," signed by officials at
> 
> FBI headquarters who were not authorized to sign national security 
> letters, to obtain information. In at least 700 cases, these exigent 
> letters were sent to three telephone companies to get toll billing 
> records and subscriber information.
> 
> "In many cases, there was no pending investigation associated with
> the 
> request at the time the exigent letters were sent," the audit
> concluded.
> 
> In a letter to Fine, Gonzales asked the inspector general to issue a 
> follow-up audit in July on whether the FBI had followed
> recommendations 
> to fix the problems.
> 
> "To say that I am concerned about what has been revealed in this
> report 
> would be an enormous understatement," Gonzales told the privacy 
> officials. "Failure to adequately protect information privacy simply
> is 
> a failure to do our jobs."
> 
> Senators outraged over the conclusions signaled they would provide 
> tougher oversight of the FBI ??? and perhaps limit its power.
> 
> "The report indicates abuse of the authority" Congress gave the FBI, 
> said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (news, bio, 
> voting record), D-Vt. "You cannot have people act as free agents on 
> something where they're going to be delving into your privacy."
> 
> The committee's top Republican, Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter
> (news, 
> bio, voting record), said the FBI appears to have "badly misused 
> national security letters." The senator said, "This is, regrettably, 
> part of an ongoing process where the federal authorities are not
> really 
> sensitive to privacy and go far beyond what we have authorized."
> 
> Sen. Russ Feingold (news, bio, voting record), D-Wis., another member
> on 
> the panel that oversees the FBI, said the report "proves that 'trust
> us' 
> doesn't cut it."
> 
> The *American Civil Liberties Union* said the audit proves Congress
> must 
> amend the Patriot Act to require judicial approval anytime the FBI
> wants 
> access to sensitive personal information. "The Attorney General and
> the 
> FBI are part of the problem and they cannot be trusted to be part of
> the 
> solution," said Anthony D. Romero, the ACLU's executive director.
> ___
> 
> On the Net:
> The report is at: http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/reports/FBI/index.htm
> Justice Department: http://www.usdoj.gov
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 18:39:31 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:39:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Need a "Green Bicyclist Flag"
In-Reply-To: <419945.99954.qm@web52108.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <309593.31975.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a couple of those Green Party pendants ("Green Party" on one
side and "Vote Peace" on the other with the "Earth Flower" GPUS Logo on
both sides) that you could use.  You can also order them at the store
at the GPUS web site at GP.org .

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Bob Alavi <baalavi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I will be riding in AIDS/LifeCycle from June 3 - June 9, 2007.
>    
>   (http://www.aidslifecycle.org/5726 yes, please click and make a
> donation:)
>    
>   What I really like, please let me explain ...
>    
>   If you have seen the GREEN PARTY T-Shirt, with the bicyclist, and
> the flag displaying VOTE PEACE; I like to replicate that during the
> ride  (good campaign for the Greens? huh?)
>    
>   For that I need:
>    
>   1.  A few of those T-Shirts ( I may already have at least 2, but
> I'll be needing 7, one for each day, as I don't expect to be wearing
> one "more than a day" riding all day in JUNE :)))
>    
>   2. A flag (just like the one on T-shirt).  Have any of you seen
> anything like it?  Does anyone have one I may borrow for the ride?
>    
>   3.  (just a thought so far ... )  I like to have names witten on 6"
> ribbons that may hang somewhere off the bike (or the flagpole), to
> involve those who may want, but not be able to participate "to be
> symbolically present"!
>    
>   Let me know your thoughts.  Thanks,
>    
>   Bob
> 
>  
> ---------------------------------
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 19:04:51 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:04:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas
	from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <EDB516B8-3265-4CA3-89C9-750D767D9043@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <716966.34637.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Roy,

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 1:11 PM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > It looks to me that you Roy want to play what we call in the NVC
> > Community the 'Right/Wrong' game.  I don't want to play that game
> with
> > you.  If we were to play any 'game' I'd like to play what Dr.
> Marshall
> > Rosenberg calls the 'making life wonderful' game.
> 
> And can I assume you were doing the life is beautiful thing when  
> making disparaging remarks about Mark's postings and then his calm  
> withdrawal from the group (calling that a hissy fit). If there's a  
> right - wrong dynamic it's because it was inappropriate to take the  
> stance you did with Mark and have been throwing one road block in  
> front of the other, be it rationalization, inference and even trying 

> to use your position on the Council to keep from accepting the  
> responsibility of your behavior.

We COULD go back and just quote exactly where ML did what I've termed
throwing a hissy fit and see if my evaluation is accurate or not. 
Hmm... that's a possibility.  Also you COULD consider that I MIGHT be
actually just be straightforwardly stating exactly the way I see things
just as I don't assume otherwise with your e-mail.  As 'The Captain'
stated its not okay to question others motives.  I don't question yours
and I'd REALLY enjoy it if you'd stop questioning mine.  I simply see
things as I've stated.  

So to reiterate (and we COULD go back and quote word for word EXACTLY
what ML said and EXACTLY what I said and I'M CERTAIN if you'd do so
you'd find I'm making a VERY OBJECTIVE STATEMENT OF FACTS) that 1)
after ML's outburst of e-mails I wrote very mildly to say I was
concerned about where he was going, that 2) he took enourmous offence
and without dialogue removed himself from the list, and that ML made
his choice and (left in a IMO very jerky way) and after his leaving I
continue to firmly state 4) Good riddance!


> >
> > I'll say again and right up front I really don't appreciate your  
> > outing
> > of private things publically and I don't appreciate your  
> > evaluations on
> > the video project without you having ever privately discussed them
> or
> > you having ever attempted to contact me.
> 
> And you "outed" my disclosure that I had took NVC because I needed  
> it. That was a private conversation.

Okay, fair enough, although please note that I also disclosed
simultaneously that I also am taking it because I evaluate I NEED NVC
BADLY!!!

> As I've mentioned before, you seem to very conveniently pull up  
> circumstances to make yourself the victim but loose all sight of it  
> when you do it to others.

I certainly don't see it that way and I see it such that its YOU who
keeps trying to play the victim.  IMO I have only fullfilled my role as
County Council person and served the needs of the GPSCC.
 
> >
> > The (still potential) video project can go forward at any time. 
> That
> > is something for the GPSCC and the GPCA and has really very little
> > ultimately to do with you or me personally.
> 
> Sure.. send me a SAS that will cover 2 tapes and I'll mail it to you.
>  
> ($1.75).

Or we could simply make up and get to work.  Why not???

 
> > It is simply an
> > opportunity for us to participate in.  If you don't want to
> > participate, I'll count that as a shame, but I would accept it.  I
> > believe that in all things its more important to focus on
> principles
> > than on personalities.
> 
> You never cease to amaze me. Who said anything about my not  
> participating. I've been doing political pieces for the Green Party  
> before there was ever a Jamboi in my inbox. I will continue to do so 

> and even with you. However I will have responsibilities written out, 
> signed and posted to my web site in your case.

Roy, why do you feel the need to attach me to this project and play
somekind of victim?  What is stopping you from doing it all on your
lonesome?  I simply pointed out the opportunity.

> I don't wish to play NVC games as I said before. I don't care to  
> guess what you're feeling or anything similar.. at least until you  
> apologize to Mark and ask him back.

I have nothing to apologize to ML for and as you might know in NVC we
don't believe in apolgogies anyway.  In NVC we'd express regrets for
behavior that we regret later but in this case I'm not seeing anything
to regret.

> I'm sure your a nice guy at some level but right now you're tied up  
> in knots over this and there's only one way to ever get over it and  
> that's to own up to it. Me.. I'll just meditate.

I'm sure I AM a nice guy on many levels, though I'm not self delusional
enough to think of myself in general as a 'nice guy'.  I don't aim to
be a 'nice guy'.  I was brought up in a very tough family and I have
experienced a very tough life and I have an extremely tough outlook on
life.  It stands me in good stead sometimes (such as it will when I'm
running for office), and other times it gets me in trouble. 
Nevertheless I have no bones about this situation.  My conscience is
perfectly clear.  The way I see it, I'm not the one "tied up in knots".
 Maybe meditation will make it clear for you.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

> Peace
> 
> Duende

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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar  9 19:38:06 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:38:06 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation...
In-Reply-To: <E1HPlCW-00037q-00@truffula>
References: <E1HPlCW-00037q-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <F2152F85-AED1-4087-A925-3A82367DD804@cagreens.org>

Thanks for clarifying that.  You are a very benign dictator!
A.

On Mar 9, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

>
> For now, I'm in charge of sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org.
> It's paid for by the Green Party of California through
> its IT Subcommittee.  That makes GP of Cal responsible
> for it, and my charge over it is delegated from GP of Cal.
>
> Here is my philosophy about running a discussion
> list, which has been the de-facto charter of this list
> for years.  He who governs least, governs best.
> That is, no rules that are not needed to prevent harm.
> Trust the subscribers to behave themselves well enough
> most of the time.  Politeness is common sense.
>
> Revealing confidential information is harmful.  Could be
> personal, or strategic.  Threats and insults are harmful.
> Racism, sexism, homophobia, ethnism, etc etc are harmful.
> Sarcasm is often harmful.
> Technical stunts like broad crossposting and
> tricky Bcc arrangements have done harm.  Subscribing
> one mailing list to another makes a mess.
> Subscribing addresses you don't control is harmful.
>
> But the most harmful recurring behavior I've seen in
> two decades of email and Usenet has been the angry
> back-and-forth known as "flame wars."  In the heat of the moment,
> people reply to email in ways they might not face to face.
> They degrade the value of a mailing list, driving away the
> most thoughtful subscribers, in a spiral that has wrecked
> much of Usenet and countless mailing lists and web fora.
> They're easy to stop, just let the other guy have
> the last word.
>
> Flame wars often begin with one subscriber trying to
> control the behavior of another.
> The flame wars over restricting visitors do
> more harm than the visitors' presence might.
> So my rule is the same as for a face to face meeting.
> Visitors welcome as long as they don't disrupt the
> meeting.  I can imagine a visitor might be interested in
> us as a typical county, whether we are or not, just as
> a Green from the East might want to sit in on our
> business meeting.
>
> Relax.  Trust your list owner.  If a visitor gets out of
> hand, I deal with it off-list.  I can block them if I
> have to.
>
> -- 
> Cameron, your autocratic list dictator.
> http://greens.org/cls
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar  9 19:59:10 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:59:10 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Developing E-list Guidelines & Yes vs Applause
In-Reply-To: <E1HPnJ4-00042T-00@truffula>
References: <E1HPnJ4-00042T-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <328295C3-C4C5-469A-BC65-28F37C8CF113@cagreens.org>

Cameron,
Thank you for the reference to American Sign Language.  I had no idea  
about the "applause" gesture (similar to "twinkle").  I still like  
the nodding fist gesture because it very definitely means "yes" or I  
agree.  I use it in many places where an interruption to the speech  
or speaker would be inappropriate but I still get to communicate!
Andrea
PS - Is there a walk coming up soon?

On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

>
> 8.  The American Sign Language gesture for "applause"
> (http://www.dictionaryofsign.com/main.php?g2_itemId=7285&g2_myThumb=)
> may be referred to as "twinkle" but it makes more
> sense to write it as "applause."



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  9 20:37:52 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:37:52 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Community roundtable on global warming
Message-ID: <45F23620.60600@sbcglobal.net>

WHAT: Community roundtable on global warming
WHEN: Friday, March 9th at 6:30 pm
WHERE: Los Altos Library, 13 S. San Antonio Rd., Los Altos, CA 94022
To RSVP, click on this link or paste it into your  Web browser:
http://www.environmentcalifornia.org/action/global-warming2/los-altos?id4=ES
Sincerely,
Dan Jacobson,  Environment California Legislative Director 
DanJ at environmentcalifornia.org 
http://www.EnvironmentCalifornia.org


  



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  9 20:45:41 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:45:41 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Mexica New Year Ceremony & Celebration
Message-ID: <45F237F5.5010009@sbcglobal.net>

 Mexica New Year Ceremony & Celebration this weekend 
(March 10-11, 2007) In San Jose, CA 

>> Saturday, March 10, 2007
>> Location: Gardner Community Center
>> Address: 520 West Virginia St,   San Jose, CA 95110
>  
>

>> Sunday, March 11, 2007
>> Location: Center for Employment & Training (CET)
>> Address: 701 Vine Street,  San Jose, CA 95110
>  
>

>> For more information:
>> www.myspace.com/calpullitonalehqueh
>> Or 408.324.6215, 408.768.3247 or 829.5741
>
>  
>



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  9 20:49:53 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:49:53 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Coalition for A Downtown Hospital
Message-ID: <45F238F1.7060604@sbcglobal.net>

Coalition for A Downtown Hospital Monthly Meeting
Date:	Monday, March  12, 2007  
Time:	6:30 PM
Place:	First Presbyterian Church
49 N. 4th St.  San Jose
     
Our last SAC meeting 1-21-07 was one of the best meetings so far. Two items took most of the tme.  

First - Much discussion and questions directed to HCA representative, Gary  Schoennauer, regarding  the HCA  
demolition request.  

Second - Healthcare consultant, Henry Zaretsky started his preliminary report.  The discussion that ensued took most of 
the rest of the designated Committee time.  

Hope to see you Monday
Roz Dean  



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  9 20:55:20 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:55:20 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Post Katrina Hearing
Message-ID: <45F23A38.8010905@sbcglobal.net>

Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, State Assembly Speaker pro Tempore 
 San Jose State Chapter, Gulf Coast Civic Works Project 
 San Jose State Sociology Department, Social Change Concentration

Co-Sponsors, Senator Ellen Corbett, Assemblymember John Laird
 Assemblymember Ira Ruskin, 
Invite You to Attend:
Report on Post Katrina Conditions in the Gulf Coast
Date:		Friday, March 16, 2007, 
Time:		2:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
Place:		Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Library, Room 229,  150 E. San
Fernando, San Jose 

Twenty-five San Jose State students traveled to the Gulf Coast to talk with residents about post-Katrina recovery efforts. Please come to hear student and faculty testimony about the continuing neglect of the region and their proposed solutions. 

For further information please contact:
Harry Adams,  Principal Consultant
Assemblywoman Sally Lieber
22nd Assembly District
408-277-2003
==============================    




From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  9 21:05:16 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:05:16 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] women workers organizing an independent union
Message-ID: <45F23C8C.8060104@sbcglobal.net>

Monday, March 12
7:00 P.M.
Teamsters? Union Hall
1452 North 4th Street, San Jose
(North of Gish Road, across from the Fourth Street Bowl)
     
             SUPPPORT THE SEAFOOD WORKERS' JUSTICE CAMPAIGN!
      Do you know where your seafood comes from? Very likely the squid and calamari that you eat is from off the coast of Santa Rosalia in the state of Baja California Sur, Mexico.
   
Come and hear from the women workers organizing an independent union in the seafood export processing industry there! 96 workers, who organized to protest bad conditions such as 12+ hour shifts and miserable pay, were fired by Han Jin Mexico for organizing, and they need your help.
      
In addition to these dynamic and tenacious organizers,  David Bacon
will lead a discussion of immigrant rights.  He is a top ranking labor writer and photo journalist.   

His new book, COMMUNITIES WITHOUT BORDERS and a recent Nation Magazine editorial ?Workers, Not Guests,? have drawn nationwide
attention. Our walls will display some of David?s unique photo images. They speak new volumes about the migrant worker experience.

Monday, March 12
7:00 P.M.
Teamsters? Union Hall
1452 North 4th Street, San Jose
(North of Gish Road, across from the Fourth Street Bowl)
     
The seafood industry is expanding rapidly as well as using up our
natural resources. We have an opportunity at this moment to unionize the industry and to protect the oceans before this industry grows even bigger.

 www.enlaceintl.org.

  The workers are supported by SINTTIM and Enlace.
SINTTIM  (Sindicato Independiente de Trabajadores y Trabajadoras de la Industria Maquila)  the Independent Union of Workers in the Maquiladora Industry.  
It is the only independent union in Baja California Sur, Mexico.

The leaders and supporters of SINTTIM began organizing together and
succeeded in achieving legal recognition and collective bargaining
agreements in the Baja California maquiladora (export anufacturing)
industry over twenty years ago.
     
Enlace is a strategic alliance of worker centers and unions that
organize low-wage workers in the U.S. and Mexico. They are among the most respected and effective groups tackling issues of social and economic justice in an increasingly globalized world.

www.enlaceintl.org * info at enlaceintl.org * 213-673-2224 (LA) * 503-295-6466
Event endorsed by the South Bay AFL-CIO Labor Council
408-266-3790 * ORGANIZE at ATWORK.ORG
=============================================

 



From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar  9 23:41:34 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:41:34 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Developing E-list Guidelines & Yes vs Applause
In-Reply-To: <328295C3-C4C5-469A-BC65-28F37C8CF113@cagreens.org>
References: <E1HPnJ4-00042T-00@truffula>
	<328295C3-C4C5-469A-BC65-28F37C8CF113@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <B1594F2B-545A-40EF-8842-67E4148F51E0@duendevision.com>



On Mar 9, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Andrea Dorey wrote:

> Cameron,
> Thank you for the reference to American Sign Language.  I had no idea
> about the "applause" gesture (similar to "twinkle").  I still like
> the nodding fist gesture because it very definitely means "yes" or I
> agree.  I use it in many places where an interruption to the speech
> or speaker would be inappropriate but I still get to communicate!
> Andrea
> PS - Is there a walk coming up soon?

My thanks too Cameron. I had no idea that the twinkle was American  
Sign. I don't feel so creeped out over it now.

Peace

Duende




From baalavi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 08:31:59 2007
From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:31:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Need a "Green Bicyclist Flag"
In-Reply-To: <309593.31975.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39290.80634.qm@web52108.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you everyone for your thoughts.
   
  Valerie for the encouragement & wonderful offer to make a flag ...
  Drew for pointing me to GP online store (I am in the process of ordering ...card rejected! )
  Tian for the XXL & XL T's.  I'll just borrow the XL :) for a day on the road.  I found two so far, one brand new that I'll be wearing in Closing Ceremonies.
   
  Keep up the good words and your spirit.
   
  Thanks again, ba


Bob Alavi wrote:

> I will be riding in AIDS/LifeCycle from June 3 - June 9, 2007.
> 
> (http://www.aidslifecycle.org/5726 yes, please click and make a
> donation:)
> 
> What I really like, please let me explain ...
> 
> If you have seen the GREEN PARTY T-Shirt, with the bicyclist, and
> the flag displaying VOTE PEACE; I like to replicate that during the
> ride (good campaign for the Greens? huh?)
> 
> For that I need:
> 
> 1. A few of those T-Shirts ( I may already have at least 2, but
> I'll be needing 7, one for each day, as I don't expect to be wearing
> one "more than a day" riding all day in JUNE :)))
> 
> 2. A flag (just like the one on T-shirt). Have any of you seen
> anything like it? Does anyone have one I may borrow for the ride?
> 
> 3. (just a thought so far ... ) I like to have names witten on 6"
> ribbons that may hang somewhere off the bike (or the flagpole), to
> involve those who may want, but not be able to participate "to be
> symbolically present"!
> 
> Let me know your thoughts. Thanks,
> 
> Bob
> 

  
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 09:34:09 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:34:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Community roundtable on global warming
In-Reply-To: <45F23620.60600@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <20070310173409.76835.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>

It turns out that Tian went to this and we met up with him last night
after our weekly Impeachment vigil (Fr 5:30-7P @ El Camino & Castro)
and related he enjoyed the talk.  

This ("Environment California") group I have mixed feelings about.  It
evolved out of CalPIRG (Nader's operation) and they've got a small army
of young people on the street soliciting $$ for their 'lobbying'
effort.  On the one hand I admire that they've got so many young people
out there involved (and I think, geeze, maybe we Greens need to learn
something from these folks and ACORN and do somet self-funding
operations likewise).  

On the other hand the whole thing is really quite disgustingly
mercenary.  One of their cultists (sort of feels like the eco version
of the Hare Krishna's frankly) approached in her powder blue t-shirt
and after briefly talking to me put the $$$ question to me.  I told her
quite firmly that I could offer all kinds of resources to their
organizations (I'm very well connected in the environmental community
being the former Executive Producer of CGTV - CommonGround TV, the
award-winning and at one point longest running TV program out of MPAC -
which was the topic of my "bragging" that Roy so didn't care for ;-)  )
 and I said that if she would merely spare me some of the
organization's marketing collateral - ie. a brochure or something - I'd
be happy to check them out but that I was NOT going to give them any
money (I have a firm personal policy never to give money to any
organization that is not willing to give me some kind of written
material - that keeps the scammers away).  She tottaly refused and
abruptly turned her heal.  Forget that!  No way!

Well at least their putting the subject in people's faces (which is
more than I can say for We Greens - this is a growth opportunity for
us).

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


--- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> WHAT: Community roundtable on global warming
> WHEN: Friday, March 9th at 6:30 pm
> WHERE: Los Altos Library, 13 S. San Antonio Rd., Los Altos, CA 94022
> To RSVP, click on this link or paste it into your  Web browser:
>
http://www.environmentcalifornia.org/action/global-warming2/los-altos?id4=ES
> Sincerely,
> Dan Jacobson,  Environment California Legislative Director 
> DanJ at environmentcalifornia.org 
> http://www.EnvironmentCalifornia.org


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 09:39:24 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:39:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Mexica New Year Ceremony & Celebration
In-Reply-To: <45F237F5.5010009@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <574692.79013.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com>

Here's a better URL: 
http://www.laoferta.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3230&Itemid=38

Its called La Oferta and the time for it goes from Sat 6AM! (already
passed) to after 5P.  So get on down there for some experience of
Mexica + other Indigenous Peoples tradition.

On Sunday its 10A to 6P.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>  Mexica New Year Ceremony & Celebration this weekend 
> (March 10-11, 2007) In San Jose, CA 
> 
> >> Saturday, March 10, 2007
> >> Location: Gardner Community Center
> >> Address: 520 West Virginia St,   San Jose, CA 95110
> >  
> >
> 
> >> Sunday, March 11, 2007
> >> Location: Center for Employment & Training (CET)
> >> Address: 701 Vine Street,  San Jose, CA 95110
> >  
> >
> 
> >> For more information:
> >> www.myspace.com/calpullitonalehqueh
> >> Or 408.324.6215, 408.768.3247 or 829.5741
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 09:42:24 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:42:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Health Care Committee! (was Re: Coalition for A
	Downtown Hospital)
In-Reply-To: <45F238F1.7060604@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <22355.34043.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

Please anyone interested in participating in our new GPSCC Health Care
Committee, please speak up.  In addition to this Coalition for a
Downtown Hospital we already have active participation in veterans
affairs issues and in the SCC Single Payer Health Care Coalition. 
Please step forward to help us mobilize to make a difference on this,
one of the most important issues facing America and the Valley today!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


--- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Coalition for A Downtown Hospital Monthly Meeting
> Date:	Monday, March  12, 2007  
> Time:	6:30 PM
> Place:	First Presbyterian Church
> 49 N. 4th St.  San Jose
>      
> Our last SAC meeting 1-21-07 was one of the best meetings so far. Two
> items took most of the tme.  
> 
> First - Much discussion and questions directed to HCA representative,
> Gary  Schoennauer, regarding  the HCA  
> demolition request.  
> 
> Second - Healthcare consultant, Henry Zaretsky started his
> preliminary report.  The discussion that ensued took most of 
> the rest of the designated Committee time.  
> 
> Hope to see you Monday
> Roz Dean  
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 09:48:37 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:48:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Post Katrina Hearing
In-Reply-To: <45F23A38.8010905@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <820409.90873.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com>

Good for the Dems for actually calling a meeting to bring attention to
doing something about this on-going tragedy.  We Greens are leading the
way and are actually on the ground ahead of the Dems though.  I was
instrumental in getting the GPUS media committee to do a press release
on the Green Party's Common Ground Collective that is on the scene
doing practical physical and social rebuilding.  Here's a URL to that
release:

http://www.gp.org/press/pr_2006_12_04.shtml

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, State Assembly Speaker pro Tempore 
>  San Jose State Chapter, Gulf Coast Civic Works Project 
>  San Jose State Sociology Department, Social Change Concentration
> 
> Co-Sponsors, Senator Ellen Corbett, Assemblymember John Laird
>  Assemblymember Ira Ruskin, 
> Invite You to Attend:
> Report on Post Katrina Conditions in the Gulf Coast
> Date:		Friday, March 16, 2007, 
> Time:		2:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.
> Place:		Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Library, Room 229,  150 E. San
> Fernando, San Jose 
> 
> Twenty-five San Jose State students traveled to the Gulf Coast to
> talk with residents about post-Katrina recovery efforts. Please come
> to hear student and faculty testimony about the continuing neglect of
> the region and their proposed solutions. 
> 
> For further information please contact:
> Harry Adams,  Principal Consultant
> Assemblywoman Sally Lieber
> 22nd Assembly District
> 408-277-2003

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http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 09:50:57 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:50:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] women workers organizing an independent union
In-Reply-To: <45F23C8C.8060104@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <864292.74262.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a schedule conflict, but can anyone else represent the GPSCC
here?  Also Merriam, could you ask David Wahl if he or anyone from the
Labor Party will make it?

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Monday, March 12
> 7:00 P.M.
> Teamsters? Union Hall
> 1452 North 4th Street, San Jose
> (North of Gish Road, across from the Fourth Street Bowl)
>      
>              SUPPPORT THE SEAFOOD WORKERS' JUSTICE CAMPAIGN!
>       Do you know where your seafood comes from? Very likely the
> squid and calamari that you eat is from off the coast of Santa
> Rosalia in the state of Baja California Sur, Mexico.
>    
> Come and hear from the women workers organizing an independent union
> in the seafood export processing industry there! 96 workers, who
> organized to protest bad conditions such as 12+ hour shifts and
> miserable pay, were fired by Han Jin Mexico for organizing, and they
> need your help.
>       
> In addition to these dynamic and tenacious organizers,  David Bacon
> will lead a discussion of immigrant rights.  He is a top ranking
> labor writer and photo journalist.   
> 
> His new book, COMMUNITIES WITHOUT BORDERS and a recent Nation
> Magazine editorial ?Workers, Not Guests,? have drawn nationwide
> attention. Our walls will display some of David?s unique photo
> images. They speak new volumes about the migrant worker experience.
> 
> Monday, March 12
> 7:00 P.M.
> Teamsters? Union Hall
> 1452 North 4th Street, San Jose
> (North of Gish Road, across from the Fourth Street Bowl)
>      
> The seafood industry is expanding rapidly as well as using up our
> natural resources. We have an opportunity at this moment to unionize
> the industry and to protect the oceans before this industry grows
> even bigger.
> 
>  www.enlaceintl.org.
> 
>   The workers are supported by SINTTIM and Enlace.
> SINTTIM  (Sindicato Independiente de Trabajadores y Trabajadoras de
> la Industria Maquila)  the Independent Union of Workers in the
> Maquiladora Industry.  
> It is the only independent union in Baja California Sur, Mexico.
> 
> The leaders and supporters of SINTTIM began organizing together and
> succeeded in achieving legal recognition and collective bargaining
> agreements in the Baja California maquiladora (export anufacturing)
> industry over twenty years ago.
>      
> Enlace is a strategic alliance of worker centers and unions that
> organize low-wage workers in the U.S. and Mexico. They are among the
> most respected and effective groups tackling issues of social and
> economic justice in an increasingly globalized world.
> 
> www.enlaceintl.org * info at enlaceintl.org * 213-673-2224 (LA) *
> 503-295-6466
> Event endorsed by the South Bay AFL-CIO Labor Council
> 408-266-3790 * ORGANIZE at ATWORK.ORG
> =============================================
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
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> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 10:00:57 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:00:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <873158CA-BED8-426E-8712-403020C68356@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <820559.66506.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

For better or worse our party is the Green Party of Santa Clara County.
 We HAVE created regional areas for the Green Party that do a better
job of covering physical geography and not just political geography
(ie. the County).  This e-list is by, for and of the Members of the
GPSCC (Members as defined by our bylaws).  That doesn't limit the
topics much, but it does put it front and center that it operates in
servcie to Members of the GPSCC.  Who else we allow in our 'house' and
how we allow them to participate is up to us, not up to them, just as
we would not presume to overstep our presence on a list for let's say
Cinncinatti Ohio's Green Party.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry, but I seem to have missed something here: how does the  
> title say it is of, for, and by the Green Party Santa Clara County?  
> 
> I thought that the "sosfbay" just means south San Francisco Bay Area 
> 
> discussion group.  I know that it was started by a Green and it began
>  
> with Green discussion, which continues for the most part to be Green,
>  
> but we have accepted postings from members of friendly progressive  
> groups (who share our political slant) inviting us to join them in  
> marches, protests, contacting legislators, etc., and those postings  
> have sometimes included what's happening in other Green groups.
> 
> Are you wanting to limit this to the SF South Bay?wherever/whatever  
> that is?or to specifically Santa Clara County?  The latter would seem
>  
> very limited to me, even though that probably includes Wes Rolley's  
> area, but not Fremont, our closest neighbor.
> 
> Andrea
> 
> 
> > EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS OF,
> FOR
> > AND BY THE GPSCC.
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Drew
> 
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 10:03:34 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:03:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Doug Thompson of Capital Hill Blue: Turn off the
	life support: America is dead
Message-ID: <738222.97767.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>

Turn off the life support: American is dead.
Date:	 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:33:47 -0500

Turn off the life support: America is dead 

By DOUG THOMPSON

03/09/07 "Capital Hill Blue" -- -- Maybe, just maybe, it's time to pull
the plug on this failed democratic republic called The United States of
America.

Turn off the life support. Disconnect the IVs. Bring in the priest for
last rites. The US of A is brain dead with no chance for revival.

Some 40 years ago, I lost friends in the heat and squalor of Vietnam.
They died in a war that never needed to be fought, supporting a cause
that didn't exist for a government that lied to justify the fight.

A few years later, as a young reporter, I wrote about the attempts of
Richard Milhous Nixon to destroy the Constitution of the United States.
He failed because the system worked and both Congress and the Supreme
Court exercised their powers in our system of checks and balances to
restore order to a faltering nation.

"The lessons of Vietnam and Watergate provide a roadmap for the
future," I wrote at the time. "With luck, our leaders can use that
roadmap to avoid the mistakes of the past."

Now, 33-and-a-half years after the Vietnam War came to an end without
resolution and Nixon left office without honor, I'm losing family of
friends in the heat and squalor of Iraq. They die in a war that never
needed to be fought, supporting a cause that doesn't exist for a
government that lied to justify their sacrifices.

Another despot occupies the Presidency, an evil man whose lust for
power surpasses Nixon and who poses a far greater danger to the
Constitution. This time, however, the system is failing to protect
America from despots. George W. Bush rides roughshod over a compliant
Congress. The Supreme Court, packed with knee-jerk right-wingers who
helped put Bush in office in 2000, abdicated its role long ago.

For a moment - a brief one to be sure - we held out hope that the voice
of the voters might be heard after the November midterm elections. But
turning out the corrupt Republican leadership of Congress was not
enough. Democrats who control the House lack the balls to take Bush on
and the razor-thin majority in the Senate can't even get a vote
together on a non-binding resolution.

Democrats Thursday unveiled a plan to bring troops home by the end of
2008 but Bush is already threatening a veto if the bill gets out of
Congress, which is probably won't.

In the meantime, we've learned that Bush lied about both the size and
cost of his "troop surge" that he claims will bring peace and stability
to Iraq. Not only are we sending more troops in than he said, at a cost
far higher than he projected, his own general on the ground says they
will have to stay longer than he told the American people earlier this
year.

Over at the U.S. Department of Justice, an contradiction of terms if we
over heard one, the FBI has lied repeatedly about its use, and abuse,
of the rights-robbing USA Patriot Act to obtain information on U.S.
citizens. I find it disturbing that in all their rhetoric about
restoring America to the people, the new Democratic leadership of
Congress doesn't say a damn thing about repealing the USA Patriot Act,
an ill-conceived bill crafted by former attorney general John Ashcroft,
and hastily voted into law after 9/11 by shell-shocked representatives
and Senators who later admitted they hadn't even read it.

Today we learn that the federal government, at the direction of the
White House, routinely ignores the Freedom of Information Act and hides
more and more government documents under a cloak of secrecy.

Both Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry
Reid joined with Republicans to vote not only for original passage of
the USA Patriot Act but also to reauthorize it. Bush has used the act
to justify spying on Americans, wiretapping without warrants and strip
away the last protections of the Constitution.

While Congress slept and the Supreme Court looked the other way, the
Bush administration has gone on its merry way seizing absolute control
of the United States government. He fired independent thinking U.S.
attorneys, replacing them with lockstep right-wingers who share his
view of totalitarian control of government. He ignores the laws of
Congress, issuing "signing statements" that give him the power to do
whatever he wants. When the federal courts declared his wiretapping of
Americans illegal, he ignored the ruling and appointed an in-house
review panel that declared the program "legal."

It doesn't matter who controls Congress. Congress is a dead
institution, ruled by timid legislators who no longer exercise any real
role in the governing of this nation.

It doesn't matter what the Supreme Court may or may not do. The
President of the United States has declared himself a "war time
President" and granted himself dictatorial rights that no one in
Congress or the Court appears able to successfully challenge him.

The America we used to cherish is dead, replaced by a ruthless
dictator. The America that more than 3,100 men and women died for in
Iraq no longer exists. We might as well pull the sheet over Uncle Sam's
head and prepare for the funeral.

Or can we, as a people, regain control of our government? Perhaps, but
doing so will require drastic measures. I'm not talking about kicking
out one party of political hacks and replacing it with another: Been
there, done that, witnessed the failure.

We need to rethink this experiment called America. Maybe we need to
start with a clean sheet of paper. Maybe it's time to recognize that
our present America is a rotting corpse, devoured from within by the
cancer of politics, corruption, greed and a lust for power.

Maybe it's time for a new American Revolution. After all, the last one
started because another guy named George tried to destroy our way of
life.
 
*****************

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From egroups at duendevision.com  Sat Mar 10 10:42:31 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:42:31 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <820559.66506.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <820559.66506.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6DF29E6D-8FF0-4481-99B2-095BD2F3EB1D@duendevision.com>

I was actually going to let this drop and approach you off list but  
then there you go again with your declarations. Declarations that  
would of course support your inappropriate censorship of another list  
member. A member who was on topic but who's statements you didn't  
approve.

Others on this list have checked in on this and have questioned your  
stance and yet you not only refuse to acknowledge that but now make  
pronouncements, pronouncements that obviously would have needed some  
type of forum and consensus to even consider making specially after  
the questions that had arisen here. A process you seem to think  
wouldn't apply to you.

This list has been a list that welcomed Greens and progressives in  
the past and has never censored ANYONE who was on topic which Mark  
was. That is until now.

Cameron pointed out quite clearly the type of topic that would be  
considered spamming (should the Dems be rebuilt from inside) and I  
concur totally. Mark wasn't even close.

I know you felt justified in challenging Mark but just get over it.  
you Weren't. It's that simple. Please give it a rest.

Peace

Duende





On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:00 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> For better or worse our party is the Green Party of Santa Clara  
> County.
>  We HAVE created regional areas for the Green Party that do a better
> job of covering physical geography and not just political geography
> (ie. the County).  This e-list is by, for and of the Members of the
> GPSCC (Members as defined by our bylaws).  That doesn't limit the
> topics much, but it does put it front and center that it operates in
> servcie to Members of the GPSCC.  Who else we allow in our 'house' and
> how we allow them to participate is up to us, not up to them, just as
> we would not presume to overstep our presence on a list for let's say
> Cinncinatti Ohio's Green Party.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
>
> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry, but I seem to have missed something here: how does the
>> title say it is of, for, and by the Green Party Santa Clara County?
>>
>> I thought that the "sosfbay" just means south San Francisco Bay Area
>>
>> discussion group.  I know that it was started by a Green and it began
>>
>> with Green discussion, which continues for the most part to be Green,
>>
>> but we have accepted postings from members of friendly progressive
>> groups (who share our political slant) inviting us to join them in
>> marches, protests, contacting legislators, etc., and those postings
>> have sometimes included what's happening in other Green groups.
>>
>> Are you wanting to limit this to the SF South Bay?wherever/whatever
>> that is?or to specifically Santa Clara County?  The latter would seem
>>
>> very limited to me, even though that probably includes Wes Rolley's
>> area, but not Fremont, our closest neighbor.
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>>
>>> EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS OF,
>> FOR
>>> AND BY THE GPSCC.
>>>
>>> Impeach for Peace!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>
>>
>
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 11:31:04 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:31:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <6DF29E6D-8FF0-4481-99B2-095BD2F3EB1D@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <407964.35080.qm@web52210.mail.yahoo.com>

Roy, I never advocated any 'censorship' of anyone.  Please stop with
this bullshit propaganda.  

It is you who are attempting to censor me!

Give it up Roy, your attempt to censor me is never going to happen.  

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> I was actually going to let this drop and approach you off list but  
> then there you go again with your declarations. Declarations that  
> would of course support your inappropriate censorship of another list
>  
> member. A member who was on topic but who's statements you didn't  
> approve.
> 
> Others on this list have checked in on this and have questioned your 

> stance and yet you not only refuse to acknowledge that but now make  
> pronouncements, pronouncements that obviously would have needed some 
> type of forum and consensus to even consider making specially after  
> the questions that had arisen here. A process you seem to think  
> wouldn't apply to you.
> 
> This list has been a list that welcomed Greens and progressives in  
> the past and has never censored ANYONE who was on topic which Mark  
> was. That is until now.
> 
> Cameron pointed out quite clearly the type of topic that would be  
> considered spamming (should the Dems be rebuilt from inside) and I  
> concur totally. Mark wasn't even close.
> 
> I know you felt justified in challenging Mark but just get over it.  
> you Weren't. It's that simple. Please give it a rest.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:00 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > For better or worse our party is the Green Party of Santa Clara  
> > County.
> >  We HAVE created regional areas for the Green Party that do a
> better
> > job of covering physical geography and not just political geography
> > (ie. the County).  This e-list is by, for and of the Members of the
> > GPSCC (Members as defined by our bylaws).  That doesn't limit the
> > topics much, but it does put it front and center that it operates
> in
> > servcie to Members of the GPSCC.  Who else we allow in our 'house'
> and
> > how we allow them to participate is up to us, not up to them, just
> as
> > we would not presume to overstep our presence on a list for let's
> say
> > Cinncinatti Ohio's Green Party.
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> > --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, but I seem to have missed something here: how does the
> >> title say it is of, for, and by the Green Party Santa Clara
> County?
> >>
> >> I thought that the "sosfbay" just means south San Francisco Bay
> Area
> >>
> >> discussion group.  I know that it was started by a Green and it
> began
> >>
> >> with Green discussion, which continues for the most part to be
> Green,
> >>
> >> but we have accepted postings from members of friendly progressive
> >> groups (who share our political slant) inviting us to join them in
> >> marches, protests, contacting legislators, etc., and those
> postings
> >> have sometimes included what's happening in other Green groups.
> >>
> >> Are you wanting to limit this to the SF South
> Bay?wherever/whatever
> >> that is?or to specifically Santa Clara County?  The latter would
> seem
> >>
> >> very limited to me, even though that probably includes Wes
> Rolley's
> >> area, but not Fremont, our closest neighbor.
> >>
> >> Andrea
> >>
> >>
> >>> EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS
> OF,
> >> FOR
> >>> AND BY THE GPSCC.
> >>>
> >>> Impeach for Peace!
> >>>
> >>> Drew
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ___________________
> >
> > JamBoi
> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> >
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> 
> > ______________
> > Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peek at the forecast
> > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> ________________________________________________________
> "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise  
> they'll kill you."
> 
>      Oscar Wilde
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 11:35:16 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:35:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <6DF29E6D-8FF0-4481-99B2-095BD2F3EB1D@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <932461.88567.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh, and another thing Roy.  I AM perfectly justified in protecting the
GPSCC from nonGPSCC over influence (call it spamming, bombing, what
have you).  That's one you will just have to get over, amigo, because I
will continue to do my appointed job as County Counicl member of the
GPSCC.  What's your appointed/elected position???  If you don't like my
approach you can always put yourself up for election and gain some
credibility that way.  In the meantime your spin and propaganda
directed against me personally because of your personal dislike of me
is disruptive and unwelcome. Get over it brother and let's get on with
doing our work.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> I was actually going to let this drop and approach you off list but  
> then there you go again with your declarations. Declarations that  
> would of course support your inappropriate censorship of another list
>  
> member. A member who was on topic but who's statements you didn't  
> approve.
> 
> Others on this list have checked in on this and have questioned your 
> 
> stance and yet you not only refuse to acknowledge that but now make  
> pronouncements, pronouncements that obviously would have needed some 
> 
> type of forum and consensus to even consider making specially after  
> the questions that had arisen here. A process you seem to think  
> wouldn't apply to you.
> 
> This list has been a list that welcomed Greens and progressives in  
> the past and has never censored ANYONE who was on topic which Mark  
> was. That is until now.
> 
> Cameron pointed out quite clearly the type of topic that would be  
> considered spamming (should the Dems be rebuilt from inside) and I  
> concur totally. Mark wasn't even close.
> 
> I know you felt justified in challenging Mark but just get over it.  
> you Weren't. It's that simple. Please give it a rest.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:00 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > For better or worse our party is the Green Party of Santa Clara  
> > County.
> >  We HAVE created regional areas for the Green Party that do a
> better
> > job of covering physical geography and not just political geography
> > (ie. the County).  This e-list is by, for and of the Members of the
> > GPSCC (Members as defined by our bylaws).  That doesn't limit the
> > topics much, but it does put it front and center that it operates
> in
> > servcie to Members of the GPSCC.  Who else we allow in our 'house'
> and
> > how we allow them to participate is up to us, not up to them, just
> as
> > we would not presume to overstep our presence on a list for let's
> say
> > Cinncinatti Ohio's Green Party.
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> > --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, but I seem to have missed something here: how does the
> >> title say it is of, for, and by the Green Party Santa Clara
> County?
> >>
> >> I thought that the "sosfbay" just means south San Francisco Bay
> Area
> >>
> >> discussion group.  I know that it was started by a Green and it
> began
> >>
> >> with Green discussion, which continues for the most part to be
> Green,
> >>
> >> but we have accepted postings from members of friendly progressive
> >> groups (who share our political slant) inviting us to join them in
> >> marches, protests, contacting legislators, etc., and those
> postings
> >> have sometimes included what's happening in other Green groups.
> >>
> >> Are you wanting to limit this to the SF South
> Bay?wherever/whatever
> >> that is?or to specifically Santa Clara County?  The latter would
> seem
> >>
> >> very limited to me, even though that probably includes Wes
> Rolley's
> >> area, but not Fremont, our closest neighbor.
> >>
> >> Andrea
> >>
> >>
> >>> EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS
> OF,
> >> FOR
> >>> AND BY THE GPSCC.
> >>>
> >>> Impeach for Peace!
> >>>
> >>> Drew
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ___________________
> >
> > JamBoi
> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> >
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
______________________________________________________________________
> 
> > ______________
> > Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peek at the forecast
> > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> ________________________________________________________
> "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise  
> they'll kill you."
> 
>      Oscar Wilde
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 12:00:49 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:00:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <820559.66506.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <840675.48498.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

The regional group we (the GPSCC party) is a part of is called the
'Silicon Valley' region I believe.  It includes the GPSCC and the Green
Party of San Mateo.  Maybe it would be smart if we asked the Green
Party of Alameda to include their (just starting I believe) Fremont
Local in this regional scheme.  We COULD choose to create an e-list for
the GPCA Silicon Valley Region if it would help us organize regionally
on regional topics.  I'm not sure there's a strong need though.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> For better or worse our party is the Green Party of Santa Clara
> County.
>  We HAVE created regional areas for the Green Party that do a better
> job of covering physical geography and not just political geography
> (ie. the County).  This e-list is by, for and of the Members of the
> GPSCC (Members as defined by our bylaws).  That doesn't limit the
> topics much, but it does put it front and center that it operates in
> servcie to Members of the GPSCC.  Who else we allow in our 'house'
> and
> how we allow them to participate is up to us, not up to them, just as
> we would not presume to overstep our presence on a list for let's say
> Cinncinatti Ohio's Green Party.
> 
> Impeach for Peace!
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> > 
> > I'm sorry, but I seem to have missed something here: how does the  
> > title say it is of, for, and by the Green Party Santa Clara County?
>  
> > 
> > I thought that the "sosfbay" just means south San Francisco Bay
> Area 
> > 
> > discussion group.  I know that it was started by a Green and it
> began
> >  
> > with Green discussion, which continues for the most part to be
> Green,
> >  
> > but we have accepted postings from members of friendly progressive 
> 
> > groups (who share our political slant) inviting us to join them in 
> 
> > marches, protests, contacting legislators, etc., and those postings
>  
> > have sometimes included what's happening in other Green groups.
> > 
> > Are you wanting to limit this to the SF South Bay?wherever/whatever
>  
> > that is?or to specifically Santa Clara County?  The latter would
> seem
> >  
> > very limited to me, even though that probably includes Wes Rolley's
>  
> > area, but not Fremont, our closest neighbor.
> > 
> > Andrea
> > 
> > 
> > > EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS
> OF,
> > FOR
> > > AND BY THE GPSCC.
> > >
> > > Impeach for Peace!
> > >
> > > Drew
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> ___________________
> 
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> 
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> 
> 
>  
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peek at the forecast
> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 12:10:50 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:10:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Developing E-list Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <01B5BCD7-2352-4BF8-9456-AD084A50EA46@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <20070310201050.28141.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>

More like one of the three fleet admirals walks on deck to help the
Captain deal with a mutinous (almost entirely otherwise inactive) crew
member (Roy) who is trying to stir up shit nd spreading them among the
crew about #1 complaining about the Captain's rules and #2 by making up
lies about a non-Crew member supposedly wronged by the Admiral a

Impeach for Peace!

Drew
 
--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> So captain. Two things
> 
> 
> 1: One of the crew was impersonating an officer and told another they
> better behave or walk the plank. Would you have had them walk the  
> plank ?
> 2: Do you do divorces :-)
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> _______________________________________________
>   "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from  
> mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not  
> thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and  
> courageously uses his intelligence."
> 
> Albert Einstein
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> 
> >
> > The owner of an electronic mailing list has the authority
> > of a pilot or a ship's captain over his vessel.
> > If any of you want to get married, contact me off list
> > but you'll have to do your vows here.
> >
> > Ultimately the subscribers have final authority, because
> > they can leave for a more useful list.
> >
> > But for those of you who want more rules than have yet been
> > stated, here they are.
> >
> > 1.  Don't be a jerk.
> >
> > 2.  This mailing list is for discussing tactics, strategy,
> > and business of the Green Party of Santa Clara County.
> > That's to be taken broadly: it includes events and action
> > of groups we act in coalition with, candidates we might
> > endorse and their competitors, business in our region
> > or state or planet that might affect us.
> >
> > 3.  Subscribers are expected to have read and understood
> > the famous essay "Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions
> > on Netiquette."  It's about Usenet but just about all of
> > it applies to email lists, web-forums, and similar things
> > that haven't been invented yet.  If you haven't read it,
> > google "emily postnews."  If you don't know who Emily Post
> > was, the Wikipedia article is enough.
> >
> > "**NOTE: [Emily Postnews] is intended to be satirical.
> >   If you do not recognize it as such, consult a doctor
> >   or professional comedian.  The recommendations in [that]
> >   article should recognized for what
> >   they are -- admonitions about what NOT to do."
> >
> > 4.  Email messages are expected to be of as much value
> > to the recipient as to the sender.  That's why there's
> > no postage.  Every message to a mailing list that isn't
> > what the subscribers signed up for encourages people to
> > leave, even this one.  Before you post, look your message
> > over.  Is it really worth sixty progressive activists'
> > valuable time?   Remember that's at least half an hour
> > of activism that isn't going to happen.  Consider replying
> > off list instead.  Your message might be the very first
> > thing a newcomer reads, so behave.
> >
> > 5.  No insults.  No impugning people's motives.
> > Remember you can't read people's minds, so don't talk
> > about what other people are thinking.  Sarcasm is hardly
> > ever appropriate.  Give people the benefit of the doubt.
> > No personal back-and-forth.  You're addressing the
> > group, not the person who wrote the message that made
> > you hit "Reply."  No trolling.  No posting by non-
> > subscribers, excepting honored alumnis.  No posting
> > in anger.  This isn't a shouting contest.
> > No generalizing about people's behavior.  Saying "you
> > always do that" or "that's typical of you" is out of line.
> > No posting the same thing over and over.
> > No attachments; that's why your Internet access comes
> > with web server space.
> >
> > 6.  This mailing list is open to anybody interested in
> > its topic.  The question of whether there should be
> > a Green Party or we should go reform the Dems from
> > the inside instead is way off topic and any Democrats who
> > subscribe to disrupt the list with that kind of trolling
> > will be immediately unsubscribed and banned from more
> > servers than they might have imagined.  That's how we
> > deal with people who shouldn't be on the list.
> > Expect Democrats to subscribe to find out how we work,
> > and try to impress them.
> >
> > 7.  The archive of this list is public and you should assume
> > it is carefully analyzed by the FBI and the state
> > Democratic Club every day.  However, anything you post
> > is automatically copyright by you unless you disclaim it.
> > So if the New York Times runs your message as an Op-Ed
> > without your permission you can sue them.
> > The IT Subcommittee reserves the right to edit or remove
> > your message from our archive at our whim.  (We do that
> > when someone wants their phone number hidden, for example.)
> > If you want to be able to prove we edited it, sign your
> > message body with GNU Privacy Guard.  If you want a
> > copy to survive, keep a copy.
> >
> > 8.  The American Sign Language gesture for "applause"
> >
> (http://www.dictionaryofsign.com/main.php?g2_itemId=7285&g2_myThumb=)
> > may be referred to as "twinkle" but it makes more
> > sense to write it as "applause."
> >
> > 9.  No niggling about the rules.  No niggling about
> > niggling, either.  Loopholes are unintentional.
> > You know what I meant.  No backseat driving.
> >
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com  Sat Mar 10 17:43:57 2007
From: pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com (Paul & Mary Engstrom)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:43:57 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places
In-Reply-To: <840675.48498.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <840675.48498.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5A54A45F-8155-46DB-B42E-BCC9151D3E96@macreviewzone.com>

Would you two egotists please get off the line and email each other  
privately?

You are cluttering up the list and   alienating a lot of Greens and  
their friends (potential Greens)

Thank you.

Paul


On Mar 10, 2007, at 12:00 PM, JamBoi wrote:

> The regional group we (the GPSCC party) is a part of is called the
> 'Silicon Valley' region I believe.  It includes the GPSCC and the  
> Green
> Party of San Mateo.  Maybe it would be smart if we asked the Green
> Party of Alameda to include their (just starting I believe) Fremont
> Local in this regional scheme.  We COULD choose to create an e-list  
> for
> the GPCA Silicon Valley Region if it would help us organize regionally
> on regional topics.  I'm not sure there's a strong need though.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
> --- JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> For better or worse our party is the Green Party of Santa Clara
>> County.
>>  We HAVE created regional areas for the Green Party that do a better
>> job of covering physical geography and not just political geography
>> (ie. the County).  This e-list is by, for and of the Members of the
>> GPSCC (Members as defined by our bylaws).  That doesn't limit the
>> topics much, but it does put it front and center that it operates in
>> servcie to Members of the GPSCC.  Who else we allow in our 'house'
>> and
>> how we allow them to participate is up to us, not up to them, just as
>> we would not presume to overstep our presence on a list for let's say
>> Cinncinatti Ohio's Green Party.
>>
>> Impeach for Peace!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>> --- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but I seem to have missed something here: how does the
>>> title say it is of, for, and by the Green Party Santa Clara County?
>>
>>>
>>> I thought that the "sosfbay" just means south San Francisco Bay
>> Area
>>>
>>> discussion group.  I know that it was started by a Green and it
>> began
>>>
>>> with Green discussion, which continues for the most part to be
>> Green,
>>>
>>> but we have accepted postings from members of friendly progressive
>>
>>> groups (who share our political slant) inviting us to join them in
>>
>>> marches, protests, contacting legislators, etc., and those postings
>>
>>> have sometimes included what's happening in other Green groups.
>>>
>>> Are you wanting to limit this to the SF South Bay?wherever/whatever
>>
>>> that is?or to specifically Santa Clara County?  The latter would
>> seem
>>>
>>> very limited to me, even though that probably includes Wes Rolley's
>>
>>> area, but not Fremont, our closest neighbor.
>>>
>>> Andrea
>>>
>>>
>>>> EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS
>> OF,
>>> FOR
>>>> AND BY THE GPSCC.
>>>>
>>>> Impeach for Peace!
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ___________________
>>
>> JamBoi
>> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>>
>> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
>> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
>> Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peek at the forecast
>> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
>> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
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From jims at greens.org  Sat Mar 10 19:04:27 2007
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:04:27 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA Official Notice] Be a GPCA Delegate to GPUS
Message-ID: <45F371BB.D02249A1@greens.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] Be a GPCA Delegate to GPUS
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:52:17 -0800
From: County Contacts <contacts2006 at cagreens.org>
Reply-To: contacts2006 at cagreens.org
To: County Contacts <Contacts2006 at cagreens.org>

GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE

This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List.  For more information,
or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. 
Follow the contact directions
stated in the email.






(Time Sensitive Announcement-Please forward widely as appropriate)


*HOW TO APPLY FOR A Green National Committee (GNC) DELEGATE OR ALTERNATE 
SEAT:*


The Green Party of California is always looking for interested 
California Greens to serve at the national level of the state party. The 
only strict requirement is that you be a registered Green in 
California.  The next couple of years should be a very exciting time in 
the Green Party at the national level.  The major decisions of the 
National Committee will primarily be focused on rules and policies 
leading to the 2008 Convention, so it will be a very interesting time, 
and a good reason for YOUR input!!

We prefer those who have served in some capacity at the state and/or 
county party level and will ask for a referral from a state or county 
representative, if we're not familiar with your green party activity. We 
strongly encourage those who self-identify as a minority, whether by 
region, gender, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or disability.

California has 13 Delegate seats and 13 Alternate seats at present. 
There are seven seats open for Delegate, out of thirteen, and 9 seats 
open for alternates. As delegates are usually elected with staggered 
terms throughout the year, this number is larger than usual because of 
the length of time since the last plenary. Note that some delegates and 
alternates currently holding those seats will also be running for 
reelection. If some form of Delegate Apportionment passes at the 
national level, CA will more than triple its delegation.

There will be elections by the General Assembly at the GPCA Plenary in 
San Francisco May 26-27 for these seats, by IRV. We need your 
two-paragraph bios/applications by MARCH 26  for inclusion in the 
plenary packets.  Get your applications in NOW so you can included in 
the election. LETTERS OF APPLICATION MUST BE RECEIVED BY THE GPCA-CC by 
March 26 to be in compliance with our bylaws. An editable application 
can be found at   
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_gpus_delegation.rtf 
<http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_gpus_delegation.rtf>
BIOGRAPHIES MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE GPCA-CC by that date in order to be 
forwarded to the counties, to be reviewed by the current delegation and 
to be submitted as part of the Plenary Packet. You may also submit an 
optional campaign statement.  The CC announcement of these openings and 
relevant by-laws can be found at 
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_gpus_delegation_2007.php
 From that page you can find contact information  for the CCand other 
information about the delgation. 

If you are applying for a position on the CA delegation, please also 
write to the CA Delegation Co-chairs. Please include a short bio of any 
party or other relevant experience you are bringing to the position, and 
include why you would like to serve with the Delegation. You can find 
more information and roster on the delegation's website!  
http://votegreen.org/gpus-ca You can also contact the Co-Chairs with 
your questions.  If you have even thought about the idea, but did not 
think you had the time, please let us know.  If we end up needing a 
delegation 40 strong, we will need many of you and will work with you to 
come up to speed and to figure out how to fit us into your life. 
Applications should also be sent to the GPUS Delegation ASAP if the 
applicant wishes to receive an endorsement from the Delegation, so that 
we can get those endoresements into the plenary packet as well.

Thank you.  We look forward to hearing from you.

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From drpesto at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 10 22:16:25 2007
From: drpesto at hotmail.com (Michael Fischetti)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:16:25 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] LOS GATOS WALK
Message-ID: <BAY22-F1054053F9161209BB1CB9FA47E0@phx.gbl>

hi all

today 11 of us - mike z, tian, fred, lois, john, cameron, karen, michelle, 
bob and farah -walked with our impeachment and antiwar signs up and down the 
main street  of los gatos and also displayed our signs over the freeway

--- we received a surprisingly positive response from passsersby and from 
drivers --- we will plan to repeat this miniwalk in other cities\\

we will all be busy this coming weekend - the 4th anniversay of the war 
--some will be in san francisco, some in palo alto and some in san jose

mountain view voicies for peace will have its peace memorial this sunday at 
noon at the city hall

the next meeting of svic will be wed 3/21 -if all agree -at books inc at     
6:30 - we will be discussing upcoming actions - the delavega event and other 
walks and what ever else

mike f

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 00:54:03 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:54:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The Impeachments Approacheth (was Re: LOS GATOS
	WALK)
Message-ID: <544092.6219.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com>

Not to mention the adventure that Merriam and I had later (Merriam will
write of it).  We also had a refreshingly positive experience as we
walked up and down Santa Cruz Ave with our Impeach Bush... And Cheney 
signs.  

If y'all are paying attention to the MSM these days you'll know that
there has been an ENORMOUS SHIFT V BUSH & CHENEY in the past 6 mo. or
so.  Everywhere in the media the talk has turned extremely negatively
towards Bush.  Even on the conservative pundit Joe Scarborough's
"Scarborough Country" a pundit on there this past week called for
CHENEY TO BE IMPEACHED!!!

The tipping point is nearing friends.  Now y'all will see what I and
other pioneers of this effort have been attempting to point out for
years - that yes, WE CAN IMPEACH BUSHCO AND WE'RE ABOUT TO DO IT!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Michael Fischetti <drpesto at hotmail.com> wrote:

> hi all
> 
> today 11 of us - mike z, tian, fred, lois, john, cameron, karen,
> michelle,  bob and farah -walked with our impeachment and antiwar
signs up and
> down the  main street  of los gatos and also displayed our signs over
the freeway
> 
> --- we received a surprisingly positive response from passsersby and
> from  drivers --- we will plan to repeat this miniwalk in other
cities\\
> we will all be busy this coming weekend - the 4th anniversay of the
> war  --some will be in san francisco, some in palo alto and some in
san
> jose
> 
> mountain view voicies for peace will have its peace memorial this
> sunday at noon at the city hall
> 
> the next meeting of svic will be wed 3/21 -if all agree -at books inc
> at      6:30 - we will be discussing upcoming actions - the delavega
event
> and other  walks and what ever else
> 
> mike f

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 00:49:21 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:49:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The Impeach Approacheth (was Re: LOS GATOS WALK)
In-Reply-To: <BAY22-F1054053F9161209BB1CB9FA47E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <557288.86890.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

Not to mention the adventure that Merriam and I had later (Merriam will
write of it).  We also had a refreshingly positive experience as we
walked up and down Santa Cruz Ave with our Impeach Bush... And Cheney 
signs.  

If y'all are paying attention to the MSM these days you'll know that
there has been an ENORMOUS SHIFT V BUSH & CHENEY in the past 6 mo. or
so.  Everywhere in the media the talk has turned extremely negatively
towards Bush.  Even on the conservative pundit Joe Scarborough's
"Scarborough Country" a pundit on there this past week called for
CHENEY TO BE IMPEACHED!!!

The tipping point is nearing friends.  Now y'all will see what I and
other pioneers of this effort have been attempting to point out for
years - that yes, WE CAN IMPEACH BUSHCO AND WE'RE ABOUT TO DO IT!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Michael Fischetti <drpesto at hotmail.com> wrote:

> hi all
> 
> today 11 of us - mike z, tian, fred, lois, john, cameron, karen,
> michelle, 
> bob and farah -walked with our impeachment and antiwar signs up and
> down the 
> main street  of los gatos and also displayed our signs over the
> freeway
> 
> --- we received a surprisingly positive response from passsersby and
> from 
> drivers --- we will plan to repeat this miniwalk in other cities\\
> 
> we will all be busy this coming weekend - the 4th anniversay of the
> war 
> --some will be in san francisco, some in palo alto and some in san
> jose
> 
> mountain view voicies for peace will have its peace memorial this
> sunday at 
> noon at the city hall
> 
> the next meeting of svic will be wed 3/21 -if all agree -at books inc
> at     
> 6:30 - we will be discussing upcoming actions - the delavega event
> and other 
> walks and what ever else
> 
> mike f
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 08:52:58 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Warmup Adventure to LOS GATOS IMPEACHMENT WALK
Message-ID: <445997.5642.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>


--- MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:

> From: MKmusic03 at aol.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 05:25:23 EDT
> Subject: LOS GATOS WALK 
> To: drpesto at hotmail.com, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us,
> m_zelinski at sbcglobal.net,
>         fredd at freeshell.org, tnharter at ispwest.com
> CC: jamboi at yahoo.com, MKmusic03 at aol.com
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> That is great that 11 of you did the mini-walk in Los Gatos.  As you
> saw Drew 
> and I were not there.
> We were on our way to meet you all until we got side tracked on 101. 
> I 
> picked Drew up and we were going down 101 to hwy 17 and on to Los
> Gatos.  At least 
> that was our plan.  At 101 and Bowers exit our plan drastically
> changed.  
> There were 3 dudes on Harleys in front of us on 101, they turned off
> on the Bowers 
> exit and we watched as one of the bikers skidded his Harley and
> rolled it.  
> We, along with
> 3 other vehicles immediately pulled off on Bowers to see if we could
> help.  
> Drew jumped out of the car with my cellphone to see what he could do
> and to 
> call 911.  I stayed in the car and watched, at that time there were 7
> people at 
> the scene to help (including Drew and the other Harley bikers)  The
> biker that 
> rolled his Harley was bleeding pretty badly and he had lost his
> helmet so we 
> think he had a head
> injury.  To our surprise he got up from the ground and walked over to
> one of 
> the other vehicles parked on the shoulder, got in and they drove
> away.  One of 
> the other 2 bikers got on his Harley and drove off following that
> car.  As 
> all that was happening Drew was standing on the shoulder and on the
> phone with 
> 911. The 3rd biker who was still at the scene walked over to Drew got
> in his 
> face, yelled at him to stop the "f***ing" call to 911 and then
> proceeded to 
> shove Drew and knock him down.  The biker then got on his Harley and
> drove off.  I 
> Jumped out of the car and ran up to Drew to make sure he was ok.  At
> the same 
> time two guys drove up.  They saw the wrecked bike and me over in the
> bushes 
> checking on Drew and they thought he was injured from the accident
> and stopped 
> to help.  Drew was ok and we then proceeded to tell them what
> happened.  At 
> that moment the Highway patrol pulled up.  The patrolman got
> information from 
> Drew for a report.  Drew decided he wanted to press charges against
> the biker 
> who knocked him down. (I agreed with Drew, we stopped to help and
> then this guy 
> was a thug).  The patrolman found out that the injured biker was
> taken to 
> Kaiser Hospital and that we could follow him to the hospital in case
> the other 
> two bikers were at the hospital with their injured friend.  At that
> moment 
> another patrolman showed up and we all left for the hospital.  When
> we got a block 
> from Kaiser the patrolmen pulled over and told us that the injured
> biker had 
> been transferred from Kaiser to Valley Medical.  We drove over there.
>  By the 
> time we got there the plot thickened.  The injured biker was in
> pretty bad 
> shape and put on morophine.  His buddies were not there, but his girl
> friend was. 
> Another highway patrolman was there and talked to us.  The patrolman
> said he 
> suspected that the bikers were in some gang and suggested that Drew
> not file a 
> complaint.  We talked with them for a few minutes more and then
> decided to 
> leave.  The injured biker's girlfriend was hanging out near where we
> were 
> standing and the patrolman suggested we might not want to go straight
> to my car.  
> Drew and I agreed and we ended up going through the hospital and I
> walked all 
> around the outside and took a back way to my car.  I picked up drew
> on a side 
> street and we drove off to Los Gatos.  By the time we got to Los
> Gatos it was 
> about 7:30pm.  We thought you might still be there eating dinner
> somewhere.  We 
> didn't find you all, so we had something to eat and since we were
> there and I 
> had my IMPEACH signs in the car we decided to form the "2nd shift" of
> the 
> mini-walk.  We walked up one side of Santa Cruz Ave. and down the
> other.  Just like 
> we do in Mt. View we walked by the restaurants showing our signs.  We
> also 
> received positive responses from the passerbys and from drivers.
> 
> I look forward to us all repeating the miniwalk in other cities and
> to come 
> back to Los Gatos as well.
> 
> Please accept Drew's and my appology for not being able to meet you
> all at 
> 5:00.  
> 
> Merriam 
> 
> 
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 08:57:57 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:57:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] De Anza Greens Have Begun
Message-ID: <397579.13847.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>

I got the paperwork and the signatures together to start up the De Anza
(as in Junior College) Greens!  Rich Wood, the fellow who sponsored the
talk by Matt Gonzales and another instructor Bob Stockwell have agreed
to be the Faculty Advisors (and I'm talking to both of them about
running for office in '08 on the Green Party ticket!!!).  So soon we
should have another Campus Greens chapter up and running. ;-)

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 09:02:46 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:02:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Identified Candidates for '08 and need to recruit
Message-ID: <12347.5709.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>

Tian has pointed out that with the deadlines set as they are the folks
we get to run (at least in the partisan races) NEED TO REGISTER GREEN
ASAP!  

Here are some identified potential candidates (so far):
Roy Nordblum (v Lofgren)
Doug McKenzie??? (v Honda)
?? Merriam Kathaleen (v Honda)
Mark Johnson (v Eshoo)
Rich Wood
Bob Stockwell

If you know of others or other potentials please speak up and let us
know so that we can get them the training and help that we are offering
our candidates.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


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From egroups at duendevision.com  Sun Mar 11 10:25:39 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:25:39 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] De Anza Greens Have Begun
In-Reply-To: <397579.13847.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <397579.13847.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <71B06F8A-177E-43F4-B5B0-AF29EB86A211@duendevision.com>

Excellent job.

Peace

Duende


On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:57 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> I got the paperwork and the signatures together to start up the De  
> Anza
> (as in Junior College) Greens!  Rich Wood, the fellow who sponsored  
> the
> talk by Matt Gonzales and another instructor Bob Stockwell have agreed
> to be the Faculty Advisors (and I'm talking to both of them about
> running for office in '08 on the Green Party ticket!!!).  So soon we
> should have another Campus Greens chapter up and running. ;-)
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
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From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Mar 11 10:43:49 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:43:49 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Our Children's Children's War
Message-ID: <45F43FD5.7070704@charter.net>

I would like to call attention to the special on the Discovery Channel 
tonight, entitled Our Children's Children's War.  This is a Ted Koppel 
(ex. Nightline on ABC) special.  Koppel was on Meet the Press this AM 
plugging the show and offering some unusual commentary.  In his view, 
the Iraq War will be the major issue for the Democratic President in 
2009.  It will still be going on as part of the war on terror... and the 
Democrats have little idea about what to do.  Even if we were to pull 
out in 2007, the war will still be going on.  It will be changed, but it 
still will continue.

Should the Democrats success in cutting funding for additional forces in 
Iraq, they would carry the responsibility for the results of that 
action.  I do not think that they want that responsibility prior to the 
2008 election.  It is much easier to run against someone else's failures.

Koppel's most insightful generalization: "There is a lot of wishful 
thinking in Washington."  We must remember that political pronouncements 
are designed to have a political effect, not to change policy.  There is 
a reality that we have not begun to meet the challenges of the 21st 
Century and that we, as a nation, may not be the fittest to survive.

It is my personal observation that you can not change people's heart 
with a gun to their head.  The ideologues in Washington (leader: Dick 
Cheney) have yet to understand that fact.  You win the battle of 
ideologies by living your ideology to the fullest.  You are what you do, 
not what you say. 

As we go forward, I believe that the Green Party needs to divorce itself 
from the cheer leading sloganizing and to start going forward with 
alternative solutions.  I have never believed that it is enough to say 
"Stop!!!".  We must begin to say "Do this instead of that."   That may 
mean that we redefine the problems of American into questions that lead 
to Green solutions.

Along with saying "Impeach" we should provide a Green analysis of the 
consequences of Impeachment.  There is no doubt that Bush / Cheney have 
acted in a manner that at odds with Americans' beliefs about ourselves 
and the laws that enshrine those beliefs.  But, along with the 
impeachment slogans, we have to anticipate those consequences:

- a paralysis in the decision making processes of government. 
-- anyone wishing to act against this country will take advantage of 
that. Therefore....(I don't have the answer, but I am thinking about it.)

- a gain in world confidence about the American people and a loss in 
world confidence about the American Government.

- establishment of a level of expectation that may be difficult for a 
new government to meet.

Now is the time that the Green Party needs to put forward it's plans and 
they have to be stated in a positive manner, not just negatives.  As 
noted above, the Democrats will want to run against the failures of the 
Bush Administration without bearing any responsibility for any of those 
failures.  Do we Greens have the cojones (to borrow a phrase from 
Madeline Albright) to define the alternatives?

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 19:25:50 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:25:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] De Anza Greens Have Begun
In-Reply-To: <71B06F8A-177E-43F4-B5B0-AF29EB86A211@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <868485.62421.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you sir!  I appreciate your kind words Roy.   I think this will
be pretty fun and energizing.  If we think about it there are *so many*
campuses in the Santa Clara Valley that we can organize at.  It can be
a major inroads for us to really make our Valley Green. :-)

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> Excellent job.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:57 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > I got the paperwork and the signatures together to start up the De 
> 
> > Anza
> > (as in Junior College) Greens!  Rich Wood, the fellow who sponsored
>  
> > the
> > talk by Matt Gonzales and another instructor Bob Stockwell have
> agreed
> > to be the Faculty Advisors (and I'm talking to both of them about
> > running for office in '08 on the Green Party ticket!!!).  So soon
> we
> > should have another Campus Greens chapter up and running. ;-)
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > ___________________
> >
> > JamBoi
> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> >
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> 
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> 
> the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion  
> is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in  
> awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
> 
> Albert Einstein
> 
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 20:06:05 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Our Children's Children's War
In-Reply-To: <45F43FD5.7070704@charter.net>
Message-ID: <549033.75201.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>

I mostly agree.  However I'll offer the addendum that sloganizing is
good for the soul and gives us an opportunity for self expression
(which is frequently suppressed in our conformist society) and those
that haven't experienced the joy of sloganzing need to try it before
knocking it.  

Nevertheless sloganizing can not be the end point, but is rather just
the initial, organizing point.  By organizing with folks who agree with
us (as represented by common sloganizing), we can connect with
like-minded progressive individuals.  From that point we must then
design and implement practical actions that live out our 10 Key Values.
 The Tipping Point is approaching in our society and we need to start
preparing ourselves for how we will actually wield electoral
representative power as we will soon be getting elected to office from
lowest to highest office.  Mark my words!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> I would like to call attention to the special on the Discovery
> Channel 
> tonight, entitled Our Children's Children's War.  This is a Ted
> Koppel 
> (ex. Nightline on ABC) special.  Koppel was on Meet the Press this AM
> 
> plugging the show and offering some unusual commentary.  In his view,
> 
> the Iraq War will be the major issue for the Democratic President in 
> 2009.  It will still be going on as part of the war on terror... and
> the 
> Democrats have little idea about what to do.  Even if we were to pull
> 
> out in 2007, the war will still be going on.  It will be changed, but
> it 
> still will continue.
> 
> Should the Democrats success in cutting funding for additional forces
> in 
> Iraq, they would carry the responsibility for the results of that 
> action.  I do not think that they want that responsibility prior to
> the 
> 2008 election.  It is much easier to run against someone else's
> failures.
> 
> Koppel's most insightful generalization: "There is a lot of wishful 
> thinking in Washington."  We must remember that political
> pronouncements 
> are designed to have a political effect, not to change policy.  There
> is 
> a reality that we have not begun to meet the challenges of the 21st 
> Century and that we, as a nation, may not be the fittest to survive.
> 
> It is my personal observation that you can not change people's heart 
> with a gun to their head.  The ideologues in Washington (leader: Dick
> 
> Cheney) have yet to understand that fact.  You win the battle of 
> ideologies by living your ideology to the fullest.  You are what you
> do, 
> not what you say. 
> 
> As we go forward, I believe that the Green Party needs to divorce
> itself 
> from the cheer leading sloganizing and to start going forward with 
> alternative solutions.  I have never believed that it is enough to
> say 
> "Stop!!!".  We must begin to say "Do this instead of that."   That
> may 
> mean that we redefine the problems of American into questions that
> lead 
> to Green solutions.
> 
> Along with saying "Impeach" we should provide a Green analysis of the
> 
> consequences of Impeachment.  There is no doubt that Bush / Cheney
> have 
> acted in a manner that at odds with Americans' beliefs about
> ourselves 
> and the laws that enshrine those beliefs.  But, along with the 
> impeachment slogans, we have to anticipate those consequences:
> 
> - a paralysis in the decision making processes of government. 
> -- anyone wishing to act against this country will take advantage of 
> that. Therefore....(I don't have the answer, but I am thinking about
> it.)
> 
> - a gain in world confidence about the American people and a loss in 
> world confidence about the American Government.
> 
> - establishment of a level of expectation that may be difficult for a
> 
> new government to meet.
> 
> Now is the time that the Green Party needs to put forward it's plans
> and 
> they have to be stated in a positive manner, not just negatives.  As 
> noted above, the Democrats will want to run against the failures of
> the 
> Bush Administration without bearing any responsibility for any of
> those 
> failures.  Do we Greens have the cojones (to borrow a phrase from 
> Madeline Albright) to define the alternatives?
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
> 
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From jims at greens.org  Sun Mar 11 21:13:06 2007
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:13:06 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Strategy Retreat Mar. 31
Message-ID: <45F4D352.32FFEE69@greens.org>


Santa Clara Greens -

We've had recent discussions about holding a local "strategy retreat," as
we've done in previous years. The purpose of such an event is to put into
place some goals for the local Green Party over the coming year, and plans
on how to attain those goals.

This year we decided to hold it in the southern part of the county so the
activists we have down there have a better opportunity to attend.
Accordingly, Wes has reserved a community room in Morgan Hill for Saturday,
March 31.

PLEASE RESPOND BACK TO THE LIST IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND THIS RETREAT.

------------------


A personal opinion.

I've become ambivalent (at best) about strategy retreats. The previous
retreats produced highly predictable results. We spend the day brainstorming
a dozen different ideas, and then within a few months the fledgling projects
are all but dead. What projects that do move forward typically do so because
the same small handful of people who seem to do all the work got involved.

If this year's retreat is not going to be a waste of time, it must be about
picking realistic projects that the party needs and for which we have a
reasonable chance of completing.

The single most vexing and persistent problem we've faced has been
attracting and retaining volunteers. This is a core issue that must be
mitigated before other projects can be contemplated. Got any ideas?


-- 
Jim



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 11 20:22:44 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:22:44 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Iran War "Summit"
Message-ID: <45F4C784.7060301@earthlink.net>


Fred, Dana, and I attended most of the "Emergency Summit
to Prevent War with Iran".

If I were to report in a lot of detail, that would be a
long email.  So I'll be brief, just hit the highlights,
and answer questions as needed.

For more info, see their website:

     http://handsoffiran.org

There were 36 organizations that said they would
participate (they are listed at the above URL).

The speakers included (I am missing one or two)
Larry Everest, Dr. Dariush Zahedi, Daniel Ellsberg,
Susan Strong, Jim Haber, Judy Pope, Stephen McNeil,
and Ross Mirkarimi.

NOTE: Organizing for this event began only about
3 weeks ago.

Here are what I think are the main points.

- Daniel Ellsberg said that he estimates the chance
   of an attack on Iran to be at least 60%.

- The risks for the United States are quite
   significant (no surprise there).

- There is a significant chance of an attack in
   April.

- It is possible that Israel might attack instead
   of the U.S..  (But of course if it happens most
   people will assume that the U.S. supported it.)

- There are several bills currently in Congress
   trying to promote withdrawal from Iraq and prevent
   war with Iran.  (Many references were made to one
   particular approach, namely making an amendment to
   the supplemental appropriation bill for Iraq, and
   the amendment would oppose an attack on Iran.)

- We should prepare for the possibility of a
   Gulf of Tonkin type resolution.  (For those who
   do not remember, the Gulf of Tonkin resolution
   was a resolution by Congress to give authority to
   Johnson to proceed with major escalation against
   Vietnam, based on an alleged incident in the Gulf
   of Tonkin, which later turned out to not be true.)

- Ross Mirkarimi and at least one other person said
   that in discussing the Iran situation, the Iran
   government should not be supported.  Both
   governments (Iran and U.S.) are behaving poorly.

The bills of interest are

- House Resolution?  ???
   A resolution to provide supplemental funds for the Iraq
   War, which someone, (Barbara Lee?) is trying to amend to
   disallow action against Iran.  I will get try to get more
   info.

- House Resolution 508
   "Bring the Troops Home and Iraq Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2007"

- House Resolution 770
   "Iran Nuclear Nonproliferation Act"
   (an act designed to prevent a covert or military action
   against Iran)

- House Concurrent Resolution 23
   "Expressing the sense of Congress that the President should
   not order an escalation in the total number of members of
   the United States Armed Forces serving in Iraq"
   (This appears to be the non binding resolution we have
   already heard about.)


Official information available at

     http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c110bills.html


Finally, I AM very concerned about the possibility
of an Iran Attack / War.  I think it would be a bigger
disaster for the U.S. than the Iraq War.  I am willing
to spend some time on this issue, what that may be is
to be determined.  In fact I sent a snail mail letter
to my 3 Congressional Reps on March 2.

Gerry




From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Mar 11 20:32:47 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:32:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas
Message-ID: <45F4C9DF.5050301@charter.net>

I am not sure that I have solutions, but I want to make two comments 
regarding Jim's comments about recruiting and retaining people.

The first comment is anecdotal.  I participated in the volunteer driven 
non-profit called the Digital Clubhouse <http://www.digiclub.org/sv/>.   
One of the founders had been a consultant with SRI.  His position was 
that the single most important task for a volunteer organization was to 
recruit and develop your successor.  Then, you can either step aside, 
retire or move on to bigger and better things.  The need to retain power 
is often disguised to ones self as "we need to get this done and no one 
else is stepping up, so I have to do it."  

People burn out. Interests change.  The health of any organization, 
especially one driven by volunteers, requires recruiting new leaders, 
giving them a chance to fail, but making sure that they don't.

The second comment is that the best people to ask about why we don't do 
better in retaining people are those who are no longer as active as they 
once were.  For example, Charlotte Casey.  She is still an activist, 
just not with GPSCC.  Maybe the old time members could make that list 
better than I .  We should ask them why they are no longer as active 
and, maybe more importantly, what we could have done to retain them.





-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 11 22:02:46 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:02:46 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Time Problem
Message-ID: <45F4DEF6.3070904@earthlink.net>


I realized after I sent my previous email that
the time was off by an hour.

In the past, my computer was smart enough to
change the time when Daylight Savings came and
went.  But they changed the rules, so Daylight
Savings came earlier than normal (by about a
month).  I have altered my computer time now,
which means that I will have to alter it again
when my computer thinks we change to Daylight
Savings.  I guess it will take a while to sort
things out.

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Mar 11 22:22:06 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:22:06 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] McGovern to Cheney: Resign
Message-ID: <45F4E37E.3060109@earthlink.net>



 From the article:

"There is no question in my mind that Cheney has committed impeachable
offenses. So has George Bush," argues McGovern. "Bush is much more
impeachable than Richard Nixon was. That's been clear for some time.
There does not seem to be much sentiment for impeachment in Congress
now, but around the country people are fed up with this administration."

      http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0310-24.htm

Gerry




From cbrouillet at igc.org  Sun Mar 11 21:23:07 2007
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:23:07 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Rally- Wednesday- Palo Alto
Message-ID: <E1HQc3p-00083u-Rd@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It was Merriam's idea to do this monthly- I hope you will endorse and 
participate in this!  Unfortunately, I've been sick this past week- 
or I would have done more to promote it- and gather signatures on 
impeachment petitions... (I wish I could come to Green Party 
meetings- but you schedule them on the same day that I must attend 
our Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance Meetings in San 
Francisco.. and I can't make the retreat on the 31st because I've 
already booked a romantic wedding anniversary celebration with my 
husband that weekend.)

Impeach the Terrorists! Rally and March
Wednesday, March 14, 2007
1 pm to 2 pm
Lytton Plaza, Downtown Palo Alto, University & Emerson

Every Wednesday from 11 am to 1 pm, Carol Brouillet holds the 
Listening Project in Lytton Plaza with help from supporters. 
Beginning in February, we will be holding a monthly "Impreachment 
March and Rally" on the second Wednesday of each month. Bring your 
signs, voices, speeches, chants, flyers, Impeachment pettitions, 
messages for the public, the press, and Congress...

We will have speakers, and can march directly on Congresswoman 
Eshoo's office, a few blocks away, or parade on University en route 
to Eshoo's to gether more public support and flyer them on 
Impeachment, the upcoming anti-war actions, 9/11 Truth, Preventing 
the next 9/11-War on Iran...

All are welcome!http://www.communitycurrency.org/impeach.html
To endorse please email- cbrouillet at igc.org
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 23:47:37 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:47:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Recruiting and Retaining Volunteers (was Re:
	Strategy Retreat Mar. 31)
In-Reply-To: <45F4D352.32FFEE69@greens.org>
Message-ID: <420435.59846.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com>

We are only part of the way through the first step of my "Organize,
Energize, Coalize!" campaign which is par far the most important
strategies towards Recruiting and Retaining Volunteers.  Basically the
most important thing is to complete this basic program and not let it
get hung up part way through.  To wit:

Step #1  Fill County Council
1) Fill the County Council up to the 7 members required by bylaws
a. Not finished yet - we need 2 more females.  Please speak up with
your nominations!)
2) Further expand the County Council to represent the diverse
ethnicities, faith and lifestyle orientations of Santa Clara County. 
a. The County Council is free to appoint additional members beyond the
7 minimum).

Step #2 Form Committees and Working Groups and staff them.
1) ID and create needed Committees
a. so far we've created the Strategy, Events, and Health Care
Committees and have IDed the need for a Media Committee.
2) Staff them

Step #3 Form County Locals
1) ID and create Locals
2) ID and coach leadership for each
3) Get each of them going on local meetings, house parties, issues, and
campaigns.

#4 Coalize and Caucusize
1) ID and form caucuses & join coalitional efforts
a. CaucusesWe've IDed Woman's Issues (the Feminist Issues Group, ie.
F.I.G.), Latino, Asian, Campus Greens and International (ie. non-U.S.
Citizen) Greens as all being groups we need to help form.  
b. Coalitions: We've already joined the SCC Single Payer Health Care
Coalition, and the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition as well as
making close contact with the Peace Center, South Bay Mobilization and
other progressive groups in the area.
2) Staff 

Q: WHY WILL THESE THREE STEPS IN AND OF THEMSELVES KICK OFF THE
RECRUITING AND RETAINING OF VOLUNTEERS???  
A: Simple.  Because it means we are actually starting to DO THINGS! 
Once the GPSCC is actually accomplishing things we will have so many
recruits we won't know what to do with them all.  We have already
started to get excited responses when we are out protesting or what
have you of people who are saying things like "I didn't know the Green
Party was actually doing anything!  Wow!  I'll have to check them
out!!!"  Thats what accomplishing political tasks (or 'adding value' as
we might say in SiliValley speak) will do for us.  Look for a LOT more
of that coming up.  The above steps create the GPSCC infrastructure on
which all the rest will grow from.


"Organize, Energize, Coalize!"

Drew

 
--- Jim Stauffer <jims at greens.org> wrote:

> 
> Santa Clara Greens -
> 
> We've had recent discussions about holding a local "strategy
> retreat," as
> we've done in previous years. The purpose of such an event is to put
> into
> place some goals for the local Green Party over the coming year, and
> plans
> on how to attain those goals.
> 
> This year we decided to hold it in the southern part of the county so
> the
> activists we have down there have a better opportunity to attend.
> Accordingly, Wes has reserved a community room in Morgan Hill for
> Saturday,
> March 31.
> 
> PLEASE RESPOND BACK TO THE LIST IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND THIS
> RETREAT.
> 
> ------------------
> 
> 
> A personal opinion.
> 
> I've become ambivalent (at best) about strategy retreats. The
> previous
> retreats produced highly predictable results. We spend the day
> brainstorming
> a dozen different ideas, and then within a few months the fledgling
> projects
> are all but dead. What projects that do move forward typically do so
> because
> the same small handful of people who seem to do all the work got
> involved.
> 
> If this year's retreat is not going to be a waste of time, it must be
> about
> picking realistic projects that the party needs and for which we have
> a
> reasonable chance of completing.
> 
> The single most vexing and persistent problem we've faced has been
> attracting and retaining volunteers. This is a core issue that must
> be
> mitigated before other projects can be contemplated. Got any ideas?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 23:49:51 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:49:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Rally- Wednesday- Palo Alto
In-Reply-To: <E1HQc3p-00083u-Rd@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <165575.73927.qm@web52209.mail.yahoo.com>

Indeed!  I'll be there.  Who else???

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Carol Brouillet <cbrouillet at igc.org> wrote:

> It was Merriam's idea to do this monthly- I hope you will endorse and
> 
> participate in this!  Unfortunately, I've been sick this past week- 
> or I would have done more to promote it- and gather signatures on 
> impeachment petitions... (I wish I could come to Green Party 
> meetings- but you schedule them on the same day that I must attend 
> our Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance Meetings in San 
> Francisco.. and I can't make the retreat on the 31st because I've 
> already booked a romantic wedding anniversary celebration with my 
> husband that weekend.)
> 
> Impeach the Terrorists! Rally and March
> Wednesday, March 14, 2007
> 1 pm to 2 pm
> Lytton Plaza, Downtown Palo Alto, University & Emerson
> 
> Every Wednesday from 11 am to 1 pm, Carol Brouillet holds the 
> Listening Project in Lytton Plaza with help from supporters. 
> Beginning in February, we will be holding a monthly "Impreachment 
> March and Rally" on the second Wednesday of each month. Bring your 
> signs, voices, speeches, chants, flyers, Impeachment pettitions, 
> messages for the public, the press, and Congress...
> 
> We will have speakers, and can march directly on Congresswoman 
> Eshoo's office, a few blocks away, or parade on University en route 
> to Eshoo's to gether more public support and flyer them on 
> Impeachment, the upcoming anti-war actions, 9/11 Truth, Preventing 
> the next 9/11-War on Iran...
> 
> All are welcome!http://www.communitycurrency.org/impeach.html
> To endorse please email- cbrouillet at igc.org
> > _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


___________________

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Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 00:00:03 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:00:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas
In-Reply-To: <45F4C9DF.5050301@charter.net>
Message-ID: <507920.69809.qm@web52211.mail.yahoo.com>

Hmm... I think I used to work with some folks that were part of Digital
Clubhouse.   Cool!

Discreet inquiries to the formerly active are okay I suppose but like
the Army always trying to fight the last war it only really gives you
obsolete data, plus it stirs up all the bad feelings from long ago and
that is a very dysfunctional way to go.  No, I think plunging forward
will do far more to re-attract our formerly active and more importantly
a whole new set of faces than re-visiting the past.

"Organize, Energize, Coalize!"

Drew

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> I am not sure that I have solutions, but I want to make two comments 
> regarding Jim's comments about recruiting and retaining people.
> 
> The first comment is anecdotal.  I participated in the volunteer
> driven 
> non-profit called the Digital Clubhouse
> <http://www.digiclub.org/sv/>.   
> One of the founders had been a consultant with SRI.  His position was
> 
> that the single most important task for a volunteer organization was
> to 
> recruit and develop your successor.  Then, you can either step aside,
> 
> retire or move on to bigger and better things.  The need to retain
> power 
> is often disguised to ones self as "we need to get this done and no
> one 
> else is stepping up, so I have to do it."  
> 
> People burn out. Interests change.  The health of any organization, 
> especially one driven by volunteers, requires recruiting new leaders,
> 
> giving them a chance to fail, but making sure that they don't.
> 
> The second comment is that the best people to ask about why we don't
> do 
> better in retaining people are those who are no longer as active as
> they 
> once were.  For example, Charlotte Casey.  She is still an activist, 
> just not with GPSCC.  Maybe the old time members could make that list
> 
> better than I .  We should ask them why they are no longer as active 
> and, maybe more importantly, what we could have done to retain them.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Mon Mar 12 01:43:36 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 04:43:36 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] IMPEACHMENT Demonstration in Los Gatos... post
	what YOU think
Message-ID: <cc7.c7b52d4.33266cb8@aol.com>

Hi Lucille,

Thank you for sending this article.

http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/FrontPage.php 

The group that initiated this action in Los Gatos on Saturday was the Silicon 
Valley Impeachment Coalition of which I am a member of.  We are a coalition 
of the Green Party of Santa Clara County, South Bay Impeachment Committee, 
members of Mountain View Voices For Peace, 911 Truth Alliance and individual 
activists.   There were 11 people in Los Gatos from 5:00pm - 6:00pm.  Two of our 
members who could not make it until after 7:30pm did the "2nd shift."  Our 
coalition began this miniwalk action in Mt. View were we have had great response 
from the passerbys and the drivers.  Since we have seen success from our Mt. 
View action (we've been doing the miniwalks for about 2 months) we have decided 
to take our miniwalks "on the road", that is to do them in Los Gatos, Saratoga 
and San Jose.  We call them miniwalks because that is what we do, we walk up 
and down the street carrying our IMPEACH signs.  We find this is an excellent 
way to interact with people.  They come up to us and start talking about 
impeachment pro and con.

On Saturday in Los Gatos there were 13 of us including the "2nd shirft."  The 
response was very positive.  People told us they were happy to see us doing 
this action. (that is what we are told in Mt. View also.)

Merriam

whatsnextlm at yahoo.com wrote:

I received this article in my Google Alert "Impeach Bush"...? You can post 
your comments about impeachment on the website of the Los Gatos Observer.? Go to 
the article at:? http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php 

And THANK YOU to the folks who took Los Gatos' "impeachment temperature"!

Lucille


Impeach Bush, Los Gatans Told



Petition drive in Town Plaza

By Alastair Dallas 03/10/07 5:53 pm
View 1 responsePrint-friendly version
At least 7 protesters gathered near the post office Sat. night to express 
themselves with signs reading "Impeach Bush/Cheney" and "Don't be Fuelish." The 
individuals seemed determined but calm and willing to listen to other points of 
view.
"Senator [J. William] Fulbright, back in the 60s, said that if you don't like 
what your government is doing," one protester explained, "then you have a 
constitutional duty to make your views heard."
 Several protesters gathered across from the post office. Others arrived, and 
the group headed up N. Santa Cruz Ave.
The protesters have been picketing in Mountain View and decided to try a 
different locale.
"We thought we'd take the temperature here in Los Gatos," one said. Within a 
few minutes, they had gathered a couple of signatures on their impeachment 
petition, along with a harangue by someone they described as being a Rush 
Limbaugh fan.
The protest seemed loosely organized; it's not clear when the group will 
return. The important thing, beyond gathering signatures, seems to be just getting 
the word out. Free speech is alive in Los Gatos.

What do you think?

 ? lamoyer0 03/11/07 11:21 am [] []
It's about time. The law is the law. Bush/Cheney and their band of the worst 
'mafia' in the history of this country, probably the world have committed so 
many impeachable offenses, from lying to Americans, congress, the UN, the 
world, to an illegal war-for-profit, to TORTURE, to illegal wire tapping.... WHICH 
BUSH ADMITS TO AND ARROGANTLY INFORMS US HE WILL CONTINUE TO DO... TO OUTING A 
COVERT CIA AGENT AND ITS OPERATION (tracking WMD's, for God's sake), which is 
ON ITS FACE... TREASON. The Republicans, who "conserve" NOTHING, including 
our precious Constitution, have LOOTED America to support this murderous Bush 
Mafia. Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez/Ashcroft, Rice, Rove, Rumsfeld.. ALL... have way 
beyond exceeded the "standards for impeachment" set by the Republicans, 
themselves, that their ignoring these presidential crimes is complicity and treason, 
as well. IMPEACHMENT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS, of investigation and 
indictment, that discovers the truth (hopefully) and writes their crimes into 
history. IF IT ISN'T WRITTEN, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
IMPEACHMENT SAYS, "WE'RE SORRY!" Something the world needs, and which may be 
the only thing that convinces the world that the American People do not 
condone the crimes of this indifferent, murderous administration. It may be, in 
fact, the one and only thing that will save the lives of countless Americans and 
our economy...way into the future. The search for the truth through impeachment 
will undoubtedly expose the corporate greed that war feeds, as well as its 
poisoning of human beings for profit and the fact that the U.S. military has 
become a fascist corporate tool to capture and hold the resources and lives 
struggling nations, and human beings around the world. 
What kind of a country have we become when the American People are convinced 
(like "good Germnans") that it's ok to let these rich bastards murder 650,000 
Iraqi human beings, including infants and children... TO FEED THEIR ADDICTION 
TO PROFIT AND POWER? 

Arthur 03/11/07 10:11 am
A better sign would read. "Uphold the Constitution and enforce Federal law." 
The Federal War Crimes Act of 1996 should be invoked NOW! Indict, try, 
convict, and EXECUTE Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and all the other war 
criminals, mass murderers, war mongerers, CIA death squads, war profiteers and 
conspirators in our government. Hang them high from the top of the Washington 
Monument as a signal to the rest of the world that Americans will NOT tolerate 
war criminals and murderers at the head of our government. DO IT AND DO IT NOW!



 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 02:28:03 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:28:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] (AP) No. 3 Senate Dem urges Gonzales to quit
Message-ID: <931706.34832.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>

The Tipping Point approacheth!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070312/ap_on_go_co/congress_gonzales;_ylt=AhQBSPl2Dlmvbi7cbtUjI6GyFz4D

No. 3 Senate Dem urges Gonzales to quit
By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Senate's No. 3 Democrat said Sunday that Attorney
General Alberto Gonzales should resign because he is putting politics
above the law. Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record) cited
the FBI's illegal snooping into people's private lives and the Justice
Department's firing of federal prosecutors.

ADVERTISEMENT

Schumer, D-N.Y., said Gonzales repeatedly has shown more allegiance to
President Bush than to citizens' legal rights since taking his job in
early 2005.

He branded Gonzales, a former White House counsel, as one of the most
political attorneys general in recent history.

"Attorney General Gonzales is a nice man, but he either doesn't accept
or doesn't understand that he is no longer just the president's lawyer,
but has a higher obligation to the rule of law and the Constitution
even when the president should not want it to be so," Schumer said.

"And so this department has been so political that I think for the sake
of the nation, Attorney General Gonzales should step down," he said.

As vice chairman of the Democratic caucus, Schumer is No. 3 in the
Senate leadership.

Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., a member of the Democrat-controlled Judiciary
Committee, said Gonzales would be "better off" if he resigned.

"There is very little credibility in the Justice Department right now,"
Biden said. He cited what he said were abuses of power dating to
Gonzales' tenure as White House counsel in which he advocated
aggressive interrogations of suspected terrorists that pushed the
boundaries of the law.

"I think Gonzales has lost the confidence of the vast majority of the
American people," he said. "I think he's lost the confidence of the
Congress."

Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), the top
Republican on the committee, said Gonzales' resignation was a "question
for the president and the attorney general."

"I do think there have been lots of problems," said Specter, who last
week suggested that a Gonzales tenure may have run its course. "Before
we come to conclusions, I think we need to know more facts."

Justice spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said the attorney general had made
significant strides to protect national security, increase prosecutions
of sex offenders and immigration offenses and fight gang violence.

"The attorney general demonstrated decisive leadership by demanding a
new level of accountability to address systematic problems in oversight
over some of the FBI's national security tools," Roehrkasse said.

The lawmakers' comments come after a week in which the Justice
Department found itself on the defensive over the U.S. attorneys and
the FBI's misuse of a type of subpoena known as national security
letters.

On Friday, Gonzales and FBI director Robert Mueller acknowledged the
FBI had broken the law to secretly pry out personal information about
people in the U.S. as part of its pursuit of suspected terrorists and
spies.

The admission came after a blistering 126-page report by the Justice
Department's inspector general that found agents improperly obtained
telephone records and demanded sensitive data. The information was
obtained via security letters, which are special warrants issued
without judicial approval.

Under criticism by lawmakers, Gonzales also agreed to tighten the law
for replacing U.S. attorneys and to let Congress hear from senior
department officials with roles in the ousters.

Several U.S. attorneys allege they were unfairly dismissed without
explanation after they pursued corruption probes into Republicans or
declined to rush specific investigations into Democrats before last
November's congressional election. Gonzales and other officials have
denied the charges.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C., said it is the
Bush administration's right to fire U.S. attorneys because they serve
at the will of the president. Still, he said, the Justice Department
was wrong to attack their reputations.

"I don't believe the attorney general will resign, but this whole
episode was unnecessarily poorly handled," Graham said.

Over the weekend, Bush pledged an end to the FBI lapses that caused the
illegal snooping but expressed confidence in the response by Mueller
and Gonzales. Mueller has accepted responsibility, and both have
pledged to fix problems.

Bush said that while the inspector general's report "justly made issue
of FBI shortfalls, (it) also made clear that these letters were
important to the security of the United States."

Lawmakers from both parties called the FBI abuses unacceptable. They
noted it was Congress that demanded the inspector general review the
program even as Justice Department officials were providing assurances
the government's surveillance programs were being run responsibly.

In coming hearings by the Judiciary Committee, senators plan to
consider whether to scale back some of the government's law enforcement
powers in light of the abuses.

Schumer and Specter were on "Face the Nation" on CBS; Biden and Graham
spoke on "Late Edition" on CNN.

___

On the Net:

Justice Department: http://www.usdoj.gov/

Senate Judiciary Committee: http://judiciary.senate.gov/

___________________

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From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Mar 12 07:44:50 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:44:50 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Ralph Nader Q&A following movie on Saturday
References: <79535e440703091302t2aa7b8a1r3302e119af1f59a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B9068481-3F91-457A-B2EF-34464340D290@cagreens.org>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "A WS" <anunreasonableman.cali at gmail.com>
> Date: March 9, 2007 1:02:42 PM PST
> To: AnUnreasonableMan.Cali at gmail.com
> Subject: Ralph Nader Q&A following movie on Saturday
>
> Don't miss the opportunity to catch Ralph Nader for a question and  
> answer session via digital i-chat following the 7 pm screening on  
> Saturday night in San Francisco.
>
> You are invited to the Bay Area showings of the new Ralph Nader  
> documentary, An Unreasonable Man. From his thirty years of consumer  
> activism to his presidential runs, An Unreasonable Man taps rare  
> archival footage and more than forty on-camera interviews to paint  
> a complex portrait of one of the most unique, important, and  
> controversial political figures of the past fifty years. This two- 
> hour film (which has garnered wide acclaim in recent weeks) uses  
> Nader's harshest critics and most eloquent supporters to create a  
> compelling and inspirational interpretation of Nader's life and of  
> our times. Movie information, a preview, and downloadable flyers  
> are available on the website www.anunreasonableman.com .
>
> What is i-chat?
>
> I-chat is a live videoconferencing technology that allows people to  
> speak to and see one another from remote locations. At the theater,  
> people will have the opportunity to step up to a camera and  
> microphone and ask Ralph a question. Ralph will be projected onto  
> the movie screen and his answers will come out over the cinema's  
> audio system. The Q&A session will occur in real-time, and Ralph  
> will be able to see and hear the questioner as clearly as the  
> audience will be able to see and hear Ralph.
>
> On Friday, March 9, An Unreasonable Man premieres in San Francisco,  
> Berkeley, and San Rafael.
>
> San Francisco: Landmark's Lumiere Theatre, located at 1572  
> California Street at Polk. Show times are 4:15, 7:00 and 9:35, plus  
> an additional 1:30 screening Friday-Sunday. Ralph Nader Q&A via  
> digital i-chat following the 7 pm show on Saturday. Co-director  
> Steve Skrovan will be on hand for Q&A after the two night shows on  
> opening night. Advanced tickets and information are available  
> online or by phone at 415-267-4893.
>
> Berkeley: Landmark's Shattuck Cinemas, located at 2230 Shattuck  
> Avenue. Show times are 1:35, 4:30, 7:05 and 9:40. Don't miss co- 
> director Steve Skrovan for Q&A on Saturday night! Advanced tickets  
> and information are available online or by phone at 510-464-5980.
>
> San Rafael: Christopher B. Smith Rafael Film Center, located at  
> 1118 Fourth Street. Show times and advanced tickets are available  
> online or by phone at 415-454-1222.
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 16, An Unreasonable Man premieres in Santa Cruz  
> and San Jose.
>
> Santa Cruz: The Nickelodeon Theatre, located at 210 Lincoln Street.  
> Ticket information and show times are available online or by phone  
> at 831-426-7500.
>
> San Jose: Camera 12 Cinemas, located at 201 South Second Street.  
> Show times and advanced tickets are available online or by phone at  
> 408-998-3300.
>
>
> How to help:
>
> Promoting the film is a major grassroots effort and we need many  
> committed volunteers to make it successful by:
>
> * Getting your friends to come
>
> * Flyering events
>
> * Postering campuses/communities
>
> * Ask your local theater to contact IFC Films to get the movie
>
> Can you help us out?
>
> Contact Aaron Wodin-Schwartz at Aaron.WodinSchwartz at gmail.com.
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 12 16:26:24 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:26:24 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] HELP: re Iran War Res
Message-ID: <45F5E1A0.3090005@earthlink.net>


Dana and others are working on an anti Iran War resolution
for Palo Alto.  Dana wants to save some time by getting an
electronic copy of the Berkely resolution (to be voted on
tomorrow).  There is a pdf file available at

http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/citycouncil/2007citycouncil/packet/031307/03-13a.htm

Can someone convert this to a text file?

Thanks,

Gerry



From tnharter at ispwest.com  Mon Mar 12 11:24:41 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:24:41 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ted Westhusing
Message-ID: <45F59AE9.1060003@ispwest.com>

I recieved the following from Per in response to my last email.
It was so readable I had to share it:
>
>Re. Iraq, have you heard of Ted Westhusing? He was an
>Army Colonel; a real achiever. West Point, Airborne
>and Ranger school, taught at West Point, learned
>Italian and Russian, real gung-ho super-patriot.
>Believed Iraq was a just war and went out of his way
>to convince people of it. 
>
>Then he got a chance to go to Iraq, to work with US
>contractors and train Iraqi security forces. It was a
>six-month stint. A month before he was due to return
>he apparently committed suicide, leaving a letter that
>complained about the corruption amongst money-grabbing
>US contractors, lack of support from the higher-ups,
>and the complete, over failure of the mission, and a
>few other things too. 
>
>This guy was a highly idealistic person, so I guess
>the shock just completely brought his view of life
>tumbling down. He had a wife and three small children.
>
>It happened June, 2005. I've not seen much in the
>media about this. He was the highest ranking soldier
>to have died in Iraq at the time. 
>
>Even if he didn't sound like a person I would
>particularly like, it's a, bloody waste of a human
>life... 
>
>Here's the whole story: 
>
http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2440

-- 
Tian
We got great coverage for our protest in Los Gatos Saturday:
http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php?article_id=0226



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 12 18:20:37 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:20:37 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ted Westhusing
References: <45F59AE9.1060003@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <45F5FC65.8010404@earthlink.net>


I googled "Ted Westhusing".  Most matches were from websites
I did not recognize.  But the first 100 matches included
- Huffington Post
- NPR
- Boston Globe
- Texas Observer
- ZNet
- CNN
- Truthout
- Al Jazeera
- Tom Dispatch ("a project of the Nation Institute")
- Houston Chronicle
- amazon.com


Gerry





Tian Harter wrote:

> I recieved the following from Per in response to my last email.
> It was so readable I had to share it:
> 
>>Re. Iraq, have you heard of Ted Westhusing? He was an
>>Army Colonel; a real achiever. West Point, Airborne
>>and Ranger school, taught at West Point, learned
>>Italian and Russian, real gung-ho super-patriot.
>>Believed Iraq was a just war and went out of his way
>>to convince people of it. 
>>
>>Then he got a chance to go to Iraq, to work with US
>>contractors and train Iraqi security forces. It was a
>>six-month stint. A month before he was due to return
>>he apparently committed suicide, leaving a letter that
>>complained about the corruption amongst money-grabbing
>>US contractors, lack of support from the higher-ups,
>>and the complete, over failure of the mission, and a
>>few other things too. 
>>
>>This guy was a highly idealistic person, so I guess
>>the shock just completely brought his view of life
>>tumbling down. He had a wife and three small children.
>>
>>It happened June, 2005. I've not seen much in the
>>media about this. He was the highest ranking soldier
>>to have died in Iraq at the time. 
>>
>>Even if he didn't sound like a person I would
>>particularly like, it's a, bloody waste of a human
>>life... 
>>
>>Here's the whole story: 
>>
>>
> http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2440
> 
> 




From tnharter at ispwest.com  Mon Mar 12 17:39:04 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:39:04 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ted Westhusing
In-Reply-To: <45F59AE9.1060003@ispwest.com> 45F5FC65.8010404@earthlink.net
References: <45F59AE9.1060003@ispwest.com> 45F5FC65.8010404@earthlink.net
Message-ID: <45F5F2A8.3050509@ispwest.com>

I don't remember reading or hearing about Ted Westhusing before
seeing the email forwarded below. Had you heard about the story?

I remember hearing somebody say Joan Baez said back during Vietnam
days "there are causes worth dying for, but there are no causes worth
killing for." In that spirit, I was wondering why the guy didn't come back
and become a peace activist.

Tian

Gerry Gras wrote:

>
> I googled "Ted Westhusing". Most matches were from websites
> I did not recognize. But the first 100 matches included
> - Huffington Post
> - NPR
> - Boston Globe
> - Texas Observer
> - ZNet
> - CNN
> - Truthout
> - Al Jazeera
> - Tom Dispatch ("a project of the Nation Institute")
> - Houston Chronicle
> - amazon.com
>
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
>
> Tian Harter wrote:
>
>> I recieved the following from Per in response to my last email.
>> It was so readable I had to share it:
>>
>>> Re. Iraq, have you heard of Ted Westhusing? He was an
>>> Army Colonel; a real achiever. West Point, Airborne
>>> and Ranger school, taught at West Point, learned
>>> Italian and Russian, real gung-ho super-patriot.
>>> Believed Iraq was a just war and went out of his way
>>> to convince people of it.
>>> Then he got a chance to go to Iraq, to work with US
>>> contractors and train Iraqi security forces. It was a
>>> six-month stint. A month before he was due to return
>>> he apparently committed suicide, leaving a letter that
>>> complained about the corruption amongst money-grabbing
>>> US contractors, lack of support from the higher-ups,
>>> and the complete, over failure of the mission, and a
>>> few other things too.
>>> This guy was a highly idealistic person, so I guess
>>> the shock just completely brought his view of life
>>> tumbling down. He had a wife and three small children.
>>>
>>> It happened June, 2005. I've not seen much in the
>>> media about this. He was the highest ranking soldier
>>> to have died in Iraq at the time.
>>> Even if he didn't sound like a person I would
>>> particularly like, it's a, bloody waste of a human
>>> life...
>>> Here's the whole story:
>>>
>> http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2440
>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
Tian
We got great coverage for our protest in Los Gatos Saturday:
http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php?article_id=0226



From drpesto at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 12 21:01:09 2007
From: drpesto at hotmail.com (Michael Fischetti)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:01:09 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] 737 US BASES OVERSEAS!!!!
Message-ID: <BAY22-F34FAB64D71152DB31372BA47C0@phx.gbl>


     we pay over 50% of our incomes in taxes -- federal- state- medicare- 
social security - real estate and sales --- in scandanavia they pay 50% too 
and they get a lot more - health care - retirement - maternity and paternity 
leave - stipends to go to school  - etc etc    what do we get -- a big army 
and 737 BASES OVERSEAS - this is not for defense - it is for offense

mike f


>http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0312-32.htm
>
>

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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 00:15:04 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:15:04 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Los Gatos Observer Article About Saturday's
	Demonstration (miniwalk)
Message-ID: <cb3.d1740f5.3327a978@aol.com>

Hi All,

Check out the article from the Los Gatos Observer about our Silicon Valley 
Impeachment Coalition's Impeach demonstration and miniwalk in Los Gatos on 
Saturday.

Lucille from Santa Cruz sent out the article to the SBM list.

Merriam

P.S. this is the link for the article that worked for me, the link Lucille 
sent didn't open. 
http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/FrontPage.php 

Hi Lucille,

Thank you for sending this article.

http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/FrontPage.php 

The group that initiated this action in Los Gatos on Saturday was the Silicon 
Valley Impeachment Coalition of which I am a member of.? We are a coalition 
of the Green Party of Santa Clara County, South Bay Impeachment Committee, 
members of Mountain View Voices For Peace, 911 Truth Alliance and individual 
activists.?? There were 11 people in Los Gatos from 5:00pm - 6:00pm.? Two of our 
members who could not make it until after 7:30pm did the "2nd shift."? Our 
coalition began this miniwalk action in Mt. View were we have had great response 
from the passerbys and the drivers.? Since we have seen success from our Mt. 
View action (we've been doing the miniwalks for about 2 months) we have decided 
to take our miniwalks "on the road", that is to do them in Los Gatos, Saratoga 
and San Jose.? We call them miniwalks because that is what we do, we walk up 
and down the street carrying our IMPEACH signs.? We find this is an excellent 
way to interact with people.? They come up to us and start talking about 
impeachment pro and con.

On Saturday in Los Gatos there were 13 of us including the "2nd shirft."? The 
response was very positive.? People told us they were happy to see us doing 
this action. (that is what we are told in Mt. View also.)

Merriam

whatsnextlm at yahoo.com wrote:

I received this article in my Google Alert "Impeach Bush"...? You can post 
your comments about impeachment on the website of the Los Gatos Observer.? Go to 
the article at:? http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php 

And THANK YOU to the folks who took Los Gatos' "impeachment temperature"!

Lucille


Impeach Bush, Los Gatans Told





Petition drive in Town Plaza

By Alastair Dallas 03/10/07 5:53 pm
View 1 responsePrint-friendly version
At least 7 protesters gathered near the post office Sat. night to express 
themselves with signs reading "Impeach Bush/Cheney" and "Don't be Fuelish." The 
individuals seemed determined but calm and willing to listen to other points of 
view.
"Senator [J. William] Fulbright, back in the 60s, said that if you don't like 
what your government is doing," one protester explained, "then you have a 
constitutional duty to make your views heard."
 Several protesters gathered across from the post office. Others arrived, and 
the group headed up N. Santa Cruz Ave.
The protesters have been picketing in Mountain View and decided to try a 
different locale.
"We thought we'd take the temperature here in Los Gatos," one said. Within a 
few minutes, they had gathered a couple of signatures on their impeachment 
petition, along with a harangue by someone they described as being a Rush 
Limbaugh fan.
The protest seemed loosely organized; it's not clear when the group will 
return. The important thing, beyond gathering signatures, seems to be just getting 
the word out. Free speech is alive in Los Gatos.

What do you think?

? lamoyer0 03/11/07 11:21 am [] []
It's about time. The law is the law. Bush/Cheney and their band of the worst 
'mafia' in the history of this country, probably the world have committed so 
many impeachable offenses, from lying to Americans, congress, the UN, the 
world, to an illegal war-for-profit, to TORTURE, to illegal wire tapping.... WHICH 
BUSH ADMITS TO AND ARROGANTLY INFORMS US HE WILL CONTINUE TO DO... TO OUTING A 
COVERT CIA AGENT AND ITS OPERATION (tracking WMD's, for God's sake), which is 
ON ITS FACE... TREASON. The Republicans, who "conserve" NOTHING, including 
our precious Constitution, have LOOTED America to support this murderous Bush 
Mafia. Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez/Ashcroft, Rice, Rove, Rumsfeld.. ALL... have way 
beyond exceeded the "standards for impeachment" set by the Republicans, 
themselves, that their ignoring these presidential crimes is complicity and treason, 
as well. IMPEACHMENT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS, of investigation and 
indictment, that discovers the truth (hopefully) and writes their crimes into 
history. IF IT ISN'T WRITTEN, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
IMPEACHMENT SAYS, "WE'RE SORRY!" Something the world needs, and which may be 
the only thing that convinces the world that the American People do not 
condone the crimes of this indifferent, murderous administration. It may be, in 
fact, the one and only thing that will save the lives of countless Americans and 
our economy...way into the future. The search for the truth through impeachment 
will undoubtedly expose the corporate greed that war feeds, as well as its 
poisoning of human beings for profit and the fact that the U.S. military has 
become a fascist corporate tool to capture and hold the resources and lives 
struggling nations, and human beings around the world. 
What kind of a country have we become when the American People are convinced 
(like "good Germnans") that it's ok to let these rich bastards murder 650,000 
Iraqi human beings, including infants and children... TO FEED THEIR ADDICTION 
TO PROFIT AND POWER? 

Arthur 03/11/07 10:11 am
A better sign would read. "Uphold the Constitution and enforce Federal law." 
The Federal War Crimes Act of 1996 should be invoked NOW! Indict, try, 
convict, and EXECUTE Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and all the other war 
criminals, mass murderers, war mongerers, CIA death squads, war profiteers and 
conspirators in our government. Hang them high from the top of the Washington 
Monument as a signal to the rest of the world that Americans will NOT tolerate 
war criminals and murderers at the head of our government. DO IT AND DO IT NOW!












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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Tue Mar 13 00:35:38 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:35:38 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Our Children's Children's War
References: 45F43FD5.7070704@charter.net
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Wes Rolley wrote:

>Koppel's most insightful generalization: "There is a lot of wishful 
>thinking in Washington."  We must remember that political pronouncements 
>are designed to have a political effect, not to change policy.  There is 
>a reality that we have not begun to meet the challenges of the 21st 
>Century and that we, as a nation, may not be the fittest to survive.
>
>It is my personal observation that you can not change people's heart 
>with a gun to their head.  The ideologues in Washington (leader: Dick 
>Cheney) have yet to understand that fact.  You win the battle of 
>ideologies by living your ideology to the fullest.  You are what you do, 
>not what you say. 
>
>As we go forward, I believe that the Green Party needs to divorce itself 
>from the cheer leading sloganizing and to start going forward with 
>alternative solutions.  I have never believed that it is enough to say 
>"Stop!!!".  We must begin to say "Do this instead of that."   That may 
>mean that we redefine the problems of American into questions that lead 
>to Green solutions.
>
As I type this, I've been car free for more than four months.

-- 
Tian
We got great coverage for our protest in Los Gatos Saturday:
http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php?article_id=0226



From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 01:10:58 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:10:58 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Rally- Wednesday- Palo Alto
Message-ID: <d12.8916321.3327b692@aol.com>

Hi All,

Carol Brouillet is hosting an Impeachment Rally at Lytton Plaza, Palo Alto 
this Wednesday March 14th from 1pm to 2pm.  This is a follow to the Feb. 14th 
Rally and March we had on Valentines Day when we delivered the Green Party's 
Impeachment
Resolution to Anna Eschoo's office.  Carol in coalition with Silicon Valley 
Impeachment Coalition will be hosting a monthly Rally from now on.

Who can attend and represent our Santa Clara Green Party?

Unfortunately I will not be able to attend, I have an apppintment I MUST go 
to instead.

Merriam

cbrouillet at igc.org wrote:

It was Merriam's idea to do this monthly- I hope you will endorse and 
participate in this!? Unfortunately, I've been sick this past week- 
or I would have done more to promote it- and gather signatures on 
impeachment petitions...

Impeach the Terrorists! Rally and March
Wednesday, March 14, 2007
1 pm to 2 pm
Lytton Plaza, Downtown Palo Alto, University & Emerson

Every Wednesday from 11 am to 1 pm, Carol Brouillet holds the 
Listening Project in Lytton Plaza with help from supporters. 
Beginning in February, we will be holding a monthly "Impreachment 
March and Rally" on the second Wednesday of each month. Bring your 
signs, voices, speeches, chants, flyers, Impeachment pettitions, 
messages for the public, the press, and Congress...

We will have speakers, and can march directly on Congresswoman 
Eshoo's office, a few blocks away, or parade on University en route 
to Eshoo's to gether more public support and flyer them on 
Impeachment, the upcoming anti-war actions, 9/11 Truth, Preventing 
the next 9/11-War on Iran...

All are welcome!http://www.communitycurrency.org/impeach.html
To endorse please email- cbrouillet at igc.org










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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Tue Mar 13 07:26:03 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] one of my favorite customers
Message-ID: <E1HR7wx-0004CJ-00@truffula>


Today I'm delivering Dana's refurbished computer, Mabo.
Dana's our county GP phone contact.

Mabo is a PC using the Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 "Etch"
operating system distribution.
Eddie Mabo was a hero of the indigenous rights movement
in Australia.

Welcome back, Dana!


Cameron



From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar 13 08:14:40 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:14:40 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] NY Times vs. Atn Gen. Gonzales
Message-ID: <45F6BFE0.1050506@charter.net>

The NY Times is keeping the pressure on Attorney General Gonzales. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/washington/13attorneys.html?_r=2&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

March 13, 2007


      White House Said to Prompt Firing of Prosecutors

By DAVID JOHNSTON 
<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/j/david_johnston/index.html?inline=nyt-per> 
and ERIC LIPTON 
<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/eric_lipton/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

Last October, President Bush spoke with Attorney General Alberto R. 
Gonzales 
<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/alberto_r_gonzales/index.html?inline=nyt-per> 
to pass along concerns by Republicans 
<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org> 
that some prosecutors were not aggressively addressing voter fraud, the 
White House said Monday. Senator Pete V. Domenici 
<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/pete_v_domenici/index.html?inline=nyt-per>, 
Republican of New Mexico, was among the politicians who complained 
directly to the president, according to an administration official.

The president did not call for the removal of any specific United States 
attorneys 
<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/u/united_states_attorneys/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier>, 
said Dana Perino, a White House spokeswoman. She said she had ?no 
indication? that the president had been personally aware that a process 
was already under way to identify prosecutors who would be fired.

But Ms. Perino disclosed that White House officials had consulted with 
the Justice Department in preparing the list of United States attorneys 
who would be removed.

(read the rest at the link).  On second thought, spend the time writing 
a letter to your local newspaper demanding that Gonzales be removed. 

Issues:
Politically motivated firing of US Attorneys
Illegal use of Patriot Act by FBI.
General disregard for the Constitution.

Wes

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 08:41:25 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:41:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Palast charged for taping barbed wire encampment
	near New Orleans
Message-ID: <651634.92984.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

[usgp-media] Palast charged for taping barbed wire encampment near New
Orleans
Date:	 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
 
Palast Charged with Journalism in the First
Degree

By Greg Palast <palast at gregpalast.com>
September 11, 2006
http://www.gregpalast.com/
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2007/marzo/juev8/11palast.html


IT'S true. It's weird. It's nuts. The Department
of Homeland Security, after a five-year hunt for
Osama, has finally brought charges against ...
Greg Palast. I kid you not. Send your cakes with
files to the Air America wing at Guantanamo.

Though not just yet. Fatherland Security has
informed me that television producer Matt
Pascarella and I have been charged with
unauthorized filming of a "critical national
security structure" in Louisiana.   

On August 22, for LinkTV and Democracy Now! we
videotaped the thousands of Katrina evacuees
still held behind a barbed wire in a trailer park
encampment a hundred miles from New Orleans. 
It's been a year since the hurricane and 73,000
POW's (Prisoners of W) are still in this aluminum
ghetto in the middle of nowhere.   One resident,
Pamela Lewis said, ?It is a prison set-up" --
except there are no home furloughs for these
inmates because they no longer have homes.

To give a sense of the full flavor and smell of
the place, we wanted to show that this human
parking lot, with kids and elderly, is nearly
adjacent to the Exxon Oil refinery, the nation's
second largest, a chemical-belching behemoth.

So we filmed it. Without Big Brother's
authorization. Uh, oh. Apparently, the broadcast
of these stinking smokestacks tipped off Osama
that, if his assassins pose as poor Black folk,
they can get a cramped Airstream right next to a
"critical infrastructure" asset.

So now Matt and I have a "criminal complaint"
lodged against us with the feds.   

The positive side for me as a journalist is that
I get to see our terror-busters in action.  I
should note that it took the Maxwell Smarts at
Homeland Security a full two weeks to hunt us
down.  

Frankly, we were a bit scared that, given the
charges, we wouldn't be allowed on a plane into
New York last night.  But what scared us more is
that we were allowed on the plane.

Once I was traced, I had a bit of an
other-worldly conversation with my would-be
captors.  Detective Frank Pananepinto of Homeland
Security told us, "This is a 'Critical
Infrastructure' ... and they get nervous about
unauthorized filming of their property.

Well, me too, Detective.  In fact, I'm very
nervous that this potential chemical blast-site
can be mapped in extreme detail at this Google
Map location

What also makes me nervous is that the Bush
Terror Terriers have kindly indicated on the
Internet that this unprotected critical
infrastructure can be targeted -- I mean located
-- at 30? 29' 11" N Latitude and 91? 11' 39" W
Longitude.

After I assured Detective Pananepinto, "I can
swear to you that I'm not part of Al Qaeda," he
confirmed that, "Louisiana is still part of the
United States," subject to the first amendment
and he was therefore required to divulge my
accuser.   

Not surprisingly, it was Exxon Corporation, one
of a handful of companies not in love with my
investigations. [See "A Well-Designed Disaster: 
the Untold Story of the Exxon Valdez."]   

So I rang America's top petroleum pusher-men and
asked their media relations honcho in Houston,
Marc Boudreaux, a simple question. "Do you want
us to go to jail or not?  Is it Exxon's position
that reporters should go to jail?" Because, all
my dumb-ass jokes aside, that is what's at stake.
And Exxon knew we were journalists because we
showed our press credential to the Exxon guards
at the refinery entrance.

The Exxon man was coy: "Well, we'll see what we
can find out.... Obviously it's important to
national security that we have supplies from that
refinery in the event of an emergency."

Really? According to the documents our team
uncovered from the offices of Exxon's lawyer, Mr.
James Baker, the oil industry is more than happy
to see a limit on worldwide crude production.
Indeed, the current squeeze has jacked the price
of oil from $24 a barrel to $64 and refined
products have jumped yet higher -- resulting in a
record-busting profit for Exxon of nearly $1
billion per week.

So this silly "criminal complaint" has nothing to
do with stopping Al Qaeda or keeping the oil
flowing.  It has everything to do with
obstructing news reports in a way that no one
would have dared attempt before the September 11
attack.

Dectective Pananepinto, in justifying our
impending bust, said, "If you remember, a lot of
people were killed on 9/11."

Yes, Detective, I remember that very well: my
office was in the World Trade Center. Lucky for
me, I was out of town that day. It was not a
lucky day for 3,000 others.

Yes, I remember "a lot" of people were killed. So
I have this suggestion, Detective -- and you can
pass it on to Mr. Bush:  Go and find the people
who killed them.

It's been five years and the Bush regime has not
done that. Instead, the War on Terror is reduced
to taking off our shoes in airports, hoping we
can bomb Muslims into loving America and chasing
journalists around the bayou.  Meanwhile, King
Abdullah, the Gambino of oil, whose princelings
funded the murderers, gets a free ride in the
President's golf cart at the Crawford ranch.

I guess I shouldn't complain.  After all, Matt
and I look pretty good in orange.

A personal request to readers. Many have written
to ask what can be done to protect Matt and me
from becoming unwilling guests of the State.   

First, this ain't no foolin' around: Matt and I
are facing these nutty charges. So spread the
info. We believe that getting the word out is the
best defense.    

Second, call Homeland Security and turn us in.
They seem to have trouble finding us. If you get
a reward, you may choose to donate it to the
Palast Investigative Fund, a 501(c)(3)
educational foundation which supports our work
and pays our legal fees.

Third, ask your local library to order our book,
Armed Madhouse:  Who's Afraid of Osama Wolf?
Homeland Security now reserves the right to read
over your shoulder at the library; therefore, the
more our agents are forced to read this
subversive material, the more likely we can
convince them to come in out of the cold. All
kidding aside, we do ask you to request your
library order the book: not everyone can afford
to purchase this hardbound edition. 
 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 08:42:31 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:42:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Dems aren't urgent enough about withdrawal from
	Iraq (John Nichols, The Nation)
Message-ID: <763780.97549.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>

Dems aren't urgent enough about withdrawal from Iraq (John Nichols, The
Nation)
Date:	 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
 
Dems Aren't Urgent Enough About Withdrawal  

By John Nichols
The Nation, March 9, 2007
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=173172
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0309-21.htm


If we accept scientific estimates of the Iraqi
death toll since the U.S. invasion of that
country, as detailed in the British medical
journal The Lancet, then it is fair to say that
an Iraqi dies from violence or deprivation every
ten minutes. An American dies every ten hours.
And, every ten days, significantly more than a
billion dollars from the U.S. treasury is spent
maintaining the occupation -- not on helping
veterans, not on assisting in the reconstruction
of Iraq, but on continuing the physical
occupation of a country where polling and
circumstances on the ground indicate that the
people do not favor the continued presence of
foreign forces.

There are those who suggest that America has time
to wait before we begin bringing our troops home
from Iraq. House Democratic leaders on Thursday
proposed legislation that would set benchmarks
for progress in Iraq. If those benchmarks remain
unmet, a slow process of extracting troops would
begin under the plan favored by House Speaker
Nancy Pelosi, D-California; Wisconsin's David
Obey and Pennsylvania's John Murtha, the chair
and defense subcommittee chair respectively of
the appropriations committee; and Missouri's Ike
Skelton, who chairs the armed services committee.


The fact that Democratic leaders are talking
about attempting to impose a timeline for
withdrawal of troops is good. It puts the
opposition party in a position of actually
opposing an unpopular president's exceptionally
unpopular policies. 

Unfortunately, because the president wants to
maintain the occupation on his terms, Bush can be
counted on to veto legislation establishing
benchmarks and a timeline. So the Democrats find
themselves in a difficult position. They plan to
expend immense time and energy -- and perhaps
even a small measure of political capital -- to
promote a withdrawal strategy. Yet, the strategy
they are promoting is unlikely to excite
Americans who want this war to end. 

In other words, while Pelosi and her compatriots
propose to fight for a timeline, it is not the
right timeline. 

Theoretically, the Democratic leadership plan
would create the potential for the withdrawal of
some U.S. troops in six months. Realistically,
because the Democratic plans lacks adequate
monitoring mechanisms -- even Pelosi says
determinations about whether benchmarks are met
would be a "a subjective call" -- chances are
that there would be no withdrawals for more than
a year. The Speaker essentially acknowledged as
much when, in announcing the plan, she said, "No
matter what, by March 2008, the redeployment
begins." 

Forcing young Americans and Iraqis to die for
George Bush's delusions for another year, while
emptying the treasury at a rate of a billion
dollars a week, is not an adequate response to
the demands -- let alone the realities -- of the
moment. 

"This plan would require us to believe whatever
the president would tell us about progress that
was being made," says Congresswoman Maxine
Waters, D-California, speaking for the bipartisan
Out of Iraq Caucus. "This is same president that
led us into a war with false information, no
weapons of mass destruction, said we would be
(welcomed) with open arms, said that the mission
had been accomplished. Now we expect him to give
us a progress report in their plan by July?" 

Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chair Lynn
Woolsey, D-California, says of the legislation.
"There's no enforcement mechanism. We have had
the same thing in place for two years and [now]
we're expecting [Bush] to do something...?" 

Woolsey's question begs another question: Why?
Why are Democrats, who just wasted weeks arguing
about non-binding resolutions regarding Bush's
surge of 21,5OO more troops into Iraq, now
preparing to pour their energy into fighting for
what appears to be another vague and inadequate
proposal? 

Rather than try to answer that one, perhaps it is
best to note that Peace Action and other anti-war
groups are launching a massive, rolling call-in
campaign leading up to the vote on President
Bush's request for another $93 billion to fund
his approach to the war. Peace Action is asking
Americans to tell their representatives to stand
with Woolsey, who recently said "the only money I
will support for Iraq is funding that is used for
the withdrawal of every last US soldier and
military contractor from Iraq." 


John Nichols' new book is THE GENIUS OF
IMPEACHMENT: The Founders' Cure for Royalism.
Rolling Stone's Tim Dickinson hails it as a
"nervy, acerbic, passionately argued
history-cum-polemic [that] combines a rich
examination of the parliamentary roots and past
use of the 'heroic medicine' that is impeachment
with a call for Democratic leaders to 'reclaim
and reuse the most vital tool handed to us by the
founders for the defense of our most basic
liberties.'" 

? 2007 The Nation

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From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar 13 08:44:09 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:44:09 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Gonzales must go
Message-ID: <45F6C6C9.1040300@charter.net>

The Washington Post has released yet another portion of the Gonzales 
story.  Now, Gonzales Chief of Staff Sampson has resigned.   Sampson, 
Scooter Libby.  How many Chiefs of Staff will be sacrificed to save 
their bosses? 

Peel away the protection and let's see what a true investigation into 
Karl Rove and Co. will discover.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/12/AR2007031201818_pf.html 


*Firings Had Genesis in White House
*Ex-Counsel Miers First Suggested Dismissing Prosecutors 2 Years Ago, 
Documents Show

By Dan Eggen and John Solomon
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, March 13, 2007; A01

The White House suggested two years ago that the Justice Department fire 
all 93 U.S. attorneys, a proposal that eventually resulted in the 
dismissals of eight prosecutors last year, according to e-mails and 
internal documents that the administration will provide to Congress today.

The dismissals took place after President Bush told Attorney General 
Alberto R. Gonzales in October that he had received complaints that some 
prosecutors had not energetically pursued voter-fraud investigations, 
according to a White House spokeswoman.

Gonzales approved the idea of firing a smaller group of U.S. attorneys 
shortly after taking office in February 2005. The aide in charge of the 
dismissals -- his chief of staff, D. Kyle Sampson -- resigned yesterday, 
officials said, after acknowledging that he did not tell key Justice 
officials about the extent of his communications with the White House, 
leading them to provide incomplete information to Congress.

-- 

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Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
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Morgan Hill, CA 95037
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 08:45:44 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:45:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Dems won't try to limit Bush's power to attack
	Iran (AP)
Message-ID: <749524.99276.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>

 Dems won't try to limit Bush's power to attack Iran (AP)
Date:	 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
 
Dems abandon war authority provision

By DAVID ESPO and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press
Writers 
March 12, 2007
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070312/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq


WASHINGTON - Top House Democrats retreated Monday
from an attempt to limit President Bush's
authority for taking military action against Iran
as the leadership concentrated on a looming
confrontation with the White House over the Iraq
war. 

Officials said Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other
members of the leadership had decided to strip
from a major military spending bill a requirement
for Bush to gain approval from Congress before
moving against Iran.

Conservative Democrats as well as lawmakers
concerned about the possible impact on       
Israel had argued for the change in strategy.

The developments occurred as Democrats pointed
toward an initial test vote in the House
Appropriations Committee on Thursday on the
overall bill, which would require the withdrawal
of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by Sept. 1, 2008,
if not earlier. The measure provides nearly $100
billion to pay for fighting in two wars, and
includes more money than the president requested
for operations in Afghanistan and what Democrats
called training and equipment shortages.

The White House has issued a veto threat against
the bill, and Vice President Dick Cheney attacked
its supporters in a speech, declaring they "are
telling the enemy simply to watch the clock and
wait us out."

House GOP Leader John Boehner of Ohio issued a
statement that said Democrats shouldn't count on
any help passing their legislation. "Republicans
will continue to stand united in this debate, and
will oppose efforts by Democrats to undermine the
ability of General Petraeus and our troops to
achieve victory in the Global War on Terror," he
said.

Top Democrats had a different perspective.

Pelosi issued a written statement that said the
vice president's remarks prove that "the
administration's answer to continuing violence in
Iraq is more troops and more treasure from the
American people."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said
in a statement that America was less safe today
because of the war. The president "must change
course, and it's time for the Senate to demand he
do it," he added.

The Iran-related proposal stemmed from a desire
to make sure Bush did not launch an attack
without going to Congress for approval, but drew
opposition from numerous members of the rank and
file in a series of closed-door sessions last
week.

Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., said in an
interview there is widespread fear in Israel
about Iran, which is believed to be seeking
nuclear weapons and has expressed unremitting
hostility about the Jewish state.

"It would take away perhaps the most important
negotiating tool that the U.S. has when it comes
to Iran," she said of the now-abandoned
provision.

"I didn't think it was a very wise idea to take
things off the table if you're trying to get
people to modify their behavior and normalize it
in a civilized way," said Rep. Gary Ackerman of
New York.

Several officials said there was widespread
opposition to the proposal at a closed-door
meeting last week of conservative and moderate
Democrats, who said they feared tying the hands
of the administration when dealing with an
unpredictable and potentially hostile regime in
Tehran.

Public opinion has swung the way of Democrats on
the issue of the war. More than six in 10
Americans think the conflict was a mistake ? the
largest number yet found in AP-Ipsos polling.

But Democrats have struggled to find a compromise
that can satisfy both liberals who oppose any
funding for the military effort and conservatives
who do not want to unduly restrict the commander
in chief.

"This supplemental should be about supporting the
troops and providing what they need," said Rep.
Dan Boren, D-Okla., on Monday upon returning from
a trip to Iraq. Boren said he plans to oppose any
legislation setting a clear deadline for troops
to leave.

In his speech, Cheney chided lawmakers who are
pressing for tougher action on Iran to oppose the
president on the Iraq War. 

"It is simply not consistent for anyone to demand
aggressive action against the menace posed by the
Iranian regime while at the same time acquiescing
in a retreat from Iraq that would leave our worst
enemies dramatically emboldened and Israel's best
friend, the United States, dangerously weakened,"
he said.

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 08:47:48 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Rally- Wednesday- Palo Alto
In-Reply-To: <d12.8916321.3327b692@aol.com>
Message-ID: <669259.28218.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>

As I said before I'm going.  Who else?  Also Merriam, again could you
post that Los Gatos article about our Saturday night vigil here on the
GPSCC discuss e-list, por favor?

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Carol Brouillet is hosting an Impeachment Rally at Lytton Plaza, Palo
> Alto 
> this Wednesday March 14th from 1pm to 2pm.  This is a follow to the
> Feb. 14th 
> Rally and March we had on Valentines Day when we delivered the Green
> Party's 
> Impeachment
> Resolution to Anna Eschoo's office.  Carol in coalition with Silicon
> Valley 
> Impeachment Coalition will be hosting a monthly Rally from now on.
> 
> Who can attend and represent our Santa Clara Green Party?
> 
> Unfortunately I will not be able to attend, I have an apppintment I
> MUST go 
> to instead.
> 
> Merriam
> 
> cbrouillet at igc.org wrote:
> 
> It was Merriam's idea to do this monthly- I hope you will endorse and
> 
> participate in this!? Unfortunately, I've been sick this past week- 
> or I would have done more to promote it- and gather signatures on 
> impeachment petitions...
> 
> Impeach the Terrorists! Rally and March
> Wednesday, March 14, 2007
> 1 pm to 2 pm
> Lytton Plaza, Downtown Palo Alto, University & Emerson
> 
> Every Wednesday from 11 am to 1 pm, Carol Brouillet holds the 
> Listening Project in Lytton Plaza with help from supporters. 
> Beginning in February, we will be holding a monthly "Impreachment 
> March and Rally" on the second Wednesday of each month. Bring your 
> signs, voices, speeches, chants, flyers, Impeachment pettitions, 
> messages for the public, the press, and Congress...
> 
> We will have speakers, and can march directly on Congresswoman 
> Eshoo's office, a few blocks away, or parade on University en route 
> to Eshoo's to gether more public support and flyer them on 
> Impeachment, the upcoming anti-war actions, 9/11 Truth, Preventing 
> the next 9/11-War on Iran...
> 
> All are welcome!http://www.communitycurrency.org/impeach.html
> To endorse please email- cbrouillet at igc.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 08:49:33 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:49:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Los Gatos Observer Article About Saturday's
	Demonstration (miniwalk)
In-Reply-To: <cb3.d1740f5.3327a978@aol.com>
Message-ID: <957491.34920.qm@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>

Awesome!  We *actually got ink!* I don't think we even really planned
the paper coverage, did we??? This was just a case of a reporter
actually doing their job - imagine that!!!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Check out the article from the Los Gatos Observer about our Silicon
> Valley 
> Impeachment Coalition's Impeach demonstration and miniwalk in Los
> Gatos on 
> Saturday.
> 
> Lucille from Santa Cruz sent out the article to the SBM list.
> 
> Merriam
> 
> P.S. this is the link for the article that worked for me, the link
> Lucille 
> sent didn't open. 
> http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/FrontPage.php 
> 
> Hi Lucille,
> 
> Thank you for sending this article.
> 
> http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/FrontPage.php 
> 
> The group that initiated this action in Los Gatos on Saturday was the
> Silicon 
> Valley Impeachment Coalition of which I am a member of.? We are a
> coalition 
> of the Green Party of Santa Clara County, South Bay Impeachment
> Committee, 
> members of Mountain View Voices For Peace, 911 Truth Alliance and
> individual 
> activists.?? There were 11 people in Los Gatos from 5:00pm - 6:00pm.?
> Two of our 
> members who could not make it until after 7:30pm did the "2nd
> shift."? Our 
> coalition began this miniwalk action in Mt. View were we have had
> great response 
> from the passerbys and the drivers.? Since we have seen success from
> our Mt. 
> View action (we've been doing the miniwalks for about 2 months) we
> have decided 
> to take our miniwalks "on the road", that is to do them in Los Gatos,
> Saratoga 
> and San Jose.? We call them miniwalks because that is what we do, we
> walk up 
> and down the street carrying our IMPEACH signs.? We find this is an
> excellent 
> way to interact with people.? They come up to us and start talking
> about 
> impeachment pro and con.
> 
> On Saturday in Los Gatos there were 13 of us including the "2nd
> shirft."? The 
> response was very positive.? People told us they were happy to see us
> doing 
> this action. (that is what we are told in Mt. View also.)
> 
> Merriam
> 
> whatsnextlm at yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> I received this article in my Google Alert "Impeach Bush"...? You can
> post 
> your comments about impeachment on the website of the Los Gatos
> Observer.? Go to 
> the article at:? http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php 
> 
> And THANK YOU to the folks who took Los Gatos' "impeachment
> temperature"!
> 
> Lucille
> 
> 
> Impeach Bush, Los Gatans Told
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Petition drive in Town Plaza
> 
> By Alastair Dallas 03/10/07 5:53 pm
> View 1 responsePrint-friendly version
> At least 7 protesters gathered near the post office Sat. night to
> express 
> themselves with signs reading "Impeach Bush/Cheney" and "Don't be
> Fuelish." The 
> individuals seemed determined but calm and willing to listen to other
> points of 
> view.
> "Senator [J. William] Fulbright, back in the 60s, said that if you
> don't like 
> what your government is doing," one protester explained, "then you
> have a 
> constitutional duty to make your views heard."
>  Several protesters gathered across from the post office. Others
> arrived, and 
> the group headed up N. Santa Cruz Ave.
> The protesters have been picketing in Mountain View and decided to
> try a 
> different locale.
> "We thought we'd take the temperature here in Los Gatos," one said.
> Within a 
> few minutes, they had gathered a couple of signatures on their
> impeachment 
> petition, along with a harangue by someone they described as being a
> Rush 
> Limbaugh fan.
> The protest seemed loosely organized; it's not clear when the group
> will 
> return. The important thing, beyond gathering signatures, seems to be
> just getting 
> the word out. Free speech is alive in Los Gatos.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> ? lamoyer0 03/11/07 11:21 am [] []
> It's about time. The law is the law. Bush/Cheney and their band of
> the worst 
> 'mafia' in the history of this country, probably the world have
> committed so 
> many impeachable offenses, from lying to Americans, congress, the UN,
> the 
> world, to an illegal war-for-profit, to TORTURE, to illegal wire
> tapping.... WHICH 
> BUSH ADMITS TO AND ARROGANTLY INFORMS US HE WILL CONTINUE TO DO... TO
> OUTING A 
> COVERT CIA AGENT AND ITS OPERATION (tracking WMD's, for God's sake),
> which is 
> ON ITS FACE... TREASON. The Republicans, who "conserve" NOTHING,
> including 
> our precious Constitution, have LOOTED America to support this
> murderous Bush 
> Mafia. Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez/Ashcroft, Rice, Rove, Rumsfeld.. ALL...
> have way 
> beyond exceeded the "standards for impeachment" set by the
> Republicans, 
> themselves, that their ignoring these presidential crimes is
> complicity and treason, 
> as well. IMPEACHMENT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS, of investigation
> and 
> indictment, that discovers the truth (hopefully) and writes their
> crimes into 
> history. IF IT ISN'T WRITTEN, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
> IMPEACHMENT SAYS, "WE'RE SORRY!" Something the world needs, and which
> may be 
> the only thing that convinces the world that the American People do
> not 
> condone the crimes of this indifferent, murderous administration. It
> may be, in 
> fact, the one and only thing that will save the lives of countless
> Americans and 
> our economy...way into the future. The search for the truth through
> impeachment 
> will undoubtedly expose the corporate greed that war feeds, as well
> as its 
> poisoning of human beings for profit and the fact that the U.S.
> military has 
> become a fascist corporate tool to capture and hold the resources and
> lives 
> struggling nations, and human beings around the world. 
> What kind of a country have we become when the American People are
> convinced 
> (like "good Germnans") that it's ok to let these rich bastards murder
> 650,000 
> Iraqi human beings, including infants and children... TO FEED THEIR
> ADDICTION 
> TO PROFIT AND POWER? 
> 
> Arthur 03/11/07 10:11 am
> A better sign would read. "Uphold the Constitution and enforce
> Federal law." 
> The Federal War Crimes Act of 1996 should be invoked NOW! Indict,
> try, 
> convict, and EXECUTE Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and all
> the other war 
> criminals, mass murderers, war mongerers, CIA death squads, war
> profiteers and 
> conspirators in our government. Hang them high from the top of the
> Washington 
> Monument as a signal to the rest of the world that Americans will NOT
> tolerate 
> war criminals and murderers at the head of our government. DO IT AND
> DO IT NOW!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 09:01:50 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] March 19th (Iraq Invasion Anniversary) Vigils in
	SCC (& Fremont) & How to Start Them
Message-ID: <982598.95888.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com>

19 Mar 07:00 PM	Vigil for Peace - 
Holy Redeemer Lutheran Church 
3 registered participant(s) (500 maximum) 
1948 The Alameda 
San Jose, CA 95126 
Directions: One block off of Highway 880, between Highway 880 and
Hedding Avenue.
Description We will meet at Holy Redeemer (the churc h will be open for
quiet contemplation prior to the vigil). As the vigil begins we will
meet on the front lawn for a short time and them proceed to the
overpass (one block away. We hope to fill both sides of the overpass
with people holding candles. The vigil will begin at 7:00pm and end at
approximately 
8:30pm.

19 Mar 05:30 PM	Vigil for Peace - 
Los Altos, Clock Tower Plaza 
0 registered participant(s) (350 maximum) 
Intersection Main St./State Street 
Los Altos,, CA 94024 
Directions: Exit Foothill Expy on to Main Street, downtown Los Altos.
Cross 3rd St. and look for the Plaza of the left at the next
intersection which is State St.
Description Join Los Altos Voices for Peace in a candlelight vigil **to
honor and remember those killed and wounded on this 4th anniversary of
the Iraq war **to remember Larissa Keet, one of our founding members,
September 1941-January, 2007

19 Mar 06:30 PM	Peggy Kenny - 10 miles away 
Middlefield Rd. & Colorado Ave. 
0 registered participant(s) (50 maximum) 
Northeast corner of Colorado Ave. & Middlefield Rd. 
Palo Alto, CA 94306 
Description We will gather at this Midtown Palo Alto intersection to
commemorate the anniversary of the start of the Iraq war.

19 Mar 06:00 PM	3,000 too Many and 4 years too long - 17 miles away 
The traffic triangle downtown Felton, at the corner of Highway 9 and
Graham Hill Road 
0 registered participant(s) (300 maximum) 
Corner of Highway 9 and Graham Hill Road 
Felton, CA 95018 
Directions: Take Highway 1 to Mt. Hermon Road then west 3.5 miles to
the 'T' intersection at Mt. Hermon and Graham Hill Rd. Turn right and
go one half block to Highway 9. We are meeting on the traffic triangle
at the intersections of Highway 9 and Graham Hill Road.
Description This will be a quiet, peaceful candlelight vigil in honor
of the fallen soldiers and civilians of all nationalities who have
perished been injured, handicapped and/or made homeless by this war.
The area is handicap accessible and in good visibility to a steady
stream of commute drivers.

19 Mar 06:30 PM	Vigil for Peace - 15 miles away 
Veteran's Memorial in Fremont 
5 registered participant(s) (200 maximum) 
Paseo Padre & Walnut 
Fremont, CA 94538 
Directions: The Veteran's Memorial is next to the Alameda County
Courthouse on Walnut Avenue, just below Paseo Padre Parkway.
Description We will mark the 4th anniversary of the Iraq War with a
CANDLELIGHT VIGIL. The location will be at the Veteran's Memorial in
Fremont on the corner of Paseo Padre Blvd and Walnut Ave. We will begin
to gather under the flagpole, near the courthouse, at 6:15 p.m. There
will be a brief memorial service at 6:30 p.m. We will then proceed to
the corners of Paseo Padre and Walnut at sunset. Please bring candles
if you can. We will supply extras for those who need them. If you bring
signs, banners or posters, please be aware that this is a Peace Vigil.
We are having a vigil for those soldiers and Iraqis who have lost their
lives, and to call for an end to this tragic war. Messages of peace
seem most appropriate at this time. Thank you. This vigil is
co-sponsored by: MoveOn.org 13th District Coordinating Council, Pax
Christi Fremont, and Tri-City Peace and Justice.


--- "Nita Chaudhary, MoveOn.org Political Action"
<moveon-help at list.moveon.org> wrote:

> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:23:22 -0700
> From: "Nita Chaudhary, MoveOn.org Political Action"
> <moveon-help at list.moveon.org>
> Subject: Can you help with a vigil in San Jose?
> 
> Dear MoveOn Member,
> 
> Next Monday will mark the fourth anniversary of the war in Iraq.
> Across
> the country, MoveOn members and our allies will join together at
> candlelight vigils to commemorate this day, honor the sacrifices of
> our
> troops, and voice our stronger-than-ever call to bring them home soon
> and
> safe.
> 
> There are already over 500 vigils scheduled and we're trying to
> organize
> as many as possible. Can you organize a vigil in San Jose? (There may
> already
> be a vigil near you, so click here to see if the location and time
> works
> for you.) To get started hosting a vigil, just click here:
> 
> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2401&id=10001-1545797-4s6gX_&t=3
> 
> Hosting a vigil is really easy. All you need to do is pick a time and
> location for people to gather. We'll provide you with materials, help
> spread the word about your event and be available to answer any
> questions
> you might have.
> 
> Over 500 vigils are currently planned across the country, some are
> being
> organized by fellow MoveOn members, and others by our local and
> national
> partners in the movement. You can build this national gathering by
> either
> attending one of those vigils, or hosting your own. Vigils are a
> powerful
> way to bring together people from across your community to reflect on
> the
> tragedy of this war and communicate both our support and appreciation
> for
> our brave troops, as well as the depth of our desire to end this
> terrible
> war.
> 
> It's also an important time to get together, because Congress is
> debating
> the first substantive steps to ending the war. We need to show that
> the
> country wants a swift, responsible end to the conflict.
> 
> After more than four years of organizing, bringing our troops home
> and
> ending the war in Iraq is truly becoming a possibility. Let's gather
> for
> what is hopefully our final Iraq war vigil together.
> 
> Click here to get started organizing an Iraq War Anniversary Vigil in
> San Jose:
> 
> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2401&id=10001-1545797-4s6gX_&t=4
> 
> Thank you for everything you do.

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From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar 13 09:24:14 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:24:14 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Cheney on the Democratic Plans
Message-ID: <45F6D02E.3050200@charter.net>

I found it very interesting to watch the national news last night as 
they showed VP Cheney going on the offensive against Democratic Party 
plans to curtail or limit spending on Iraq operations.  He was carting 
out the old cut-and-run argument without using those specific, now 
(re)tired words.

The point of interest is that he made these remarks at a meeting of the 
ALIPAC, a pro-Israel lobbying group. The real target of his remarks is 
not the war in Iraq, but to preserve the right of the administration to 
be unshackled if they decide (as many think Cheney wants) to attack Iran.

Also, note that  Speaker Pelosi has  removed the  "you have to get 
permission of Congress to take any military action against Iran" 
language from the proposed Democratic bill in Iraq.

The talking heads of television commentary are openly commenting on the 
fact that there is a background conflict in the administration between 
Cheney and Rice and that Rice is starting to win a few of those 
battles.  Case in point, the US was at the meeting in Iraq with both 
Syria and Iran.

One by one, Cheney's neo-con ideologue faction is going.  First 
Wolfowitz, then Rumsfeld.  It is now time for Cheney to step aside... 
but he won't.

Wes

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 13 12:43:25 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:43:25 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Dems won't try to limit Bush's power to
	attack	Iran (AP)
References: <749524.99276.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45F6FEDD.3090505@earthlink.net>


Framing is important.

If you read this casually, you could say that the
right's thinking is reasonable.  That what they are
saying is that they don't want [our side] to have its
hands tied in its diplomacy with the other.

But the attempted Congressional action was not to
take any options completely off the table, but to
say that the Administration could not attack Iran
without Congress's approval.  So the liberal Dems
are supporting the Constitution while the Reps and
conservative Dems are saying let's give full authority
to the Bush Administration, never mind their past
track record, never mind the Constitution.

And now apparently the liberal Dems are giving in.

...

It looks like the most likely scenario is one all too
common in history,  Two sides do saber rattling in the
attempt to get the other side to "cooperate" (i.e.
give in), the rhetoric escalates, then one side says
it is hopeless, we must attack before they do, and
war ensues, and one or both sides lose big time.

Of course in this case it will be the U.S. or Israel
that will attack, and Iran, Israel, and the U.S. will
all suffer.  Unless ...

Gerry


JamBoi wrote:

>  Dems won't try to limit Bush's power to attack Iran (AP)
> Date:	 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
>  
> Dems abandon war authority provision
> 
> By DAVID ESPO and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press
> Writers 
> March 12, 2007
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070312/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
> 
> 
> WASHINGTON - Top House Democrats retreated Monday
> from an attempt to limit President Bush's
> authority for taking military action against Iran
> as the leadership concentrated on a looming
> confrontation with the White House over the Iraq
> war. 
> 
> Officials said Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other
> members of the leadership had decided to strip
> from a major military spending bill a requirement
> for Bush to gain approval from Congress before
> moving against Iran.
> 
> Conservative Democrats as well as lawmakers
> concerned about the possible impact on       
> Israel had argued for the change in strategy.
> 
> The developments occurred as Democrats pointed
> toward an initial test vote in the House
> Appropriations Committee on Thursday on the
> overall bill, which would require the withdrawal
> of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by Sept. 1, 2008,
> if not earlier. The measure provides nearly $100
> billion to pay for fighting in two wars, and
> includes more money than the president requested
> for operations in Afghanistan and what Democrats
> called training and equipment shortages.
> 
> The White House has issued a veto threat against
> the bill, and Vice President Dick Cheney attacked
> its supporters in a speech, declaring they "are
> telling the enemy simply to watch the clock and
> wait us out."
> 
> House GOP Leader John Boehner of Ohio issued a
> statement that said Democrats shouldn't count on
> any help passing their legislation. "Republicans
> will continue to stand united in this debate, and
> will oppose efforts by Democrats to undermine the
> ability of General Petraeus and our troops to
> achieve victory in the Global War on Terror," he
> said.
> 
> Top Democrats had a different perspective.
> 
> Pelosi issued a written statement that said the
> vice president's remarks prove that "the
> administration's answer to continuing violence in
> Iraq is more troops and more treasure from the
> American people."
> 
> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said
> in a statement that America was less safe today
> because of the war. The president "must change
> course, and it's time for the Senate to demand he
> do it," he added.
> 
> The Iran-related proposal stemmed from a desire
> to make sure Bush did not launch an attack
> without going to Congress for approval, but drew
> opposition from numerous members of the rank and
> file in a series of closed-door sessions last
> week.
> 
> Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., said in an
> interview there is widespread fear in Israel
> about Iran, which is believed to be seeking
> nuclear weapons and has expressed unremitting
> hostility about the Jewish state.
> 
> "It would take away perhaps the most important
> negotiating tool that the U.S. has when it comes
> to Iran," she said of the now-abandoned
> provision.
> 
> "I didn't think it was a very wise idea to take
> things off the table if you're trying to get
> people to modify their behavior and normalize it
> in a civilized way," said Rep. Gary Ackerman of
> New York.
> 
> Several officials said there was widespread
> opposition to the proposal at a closed-door
> meeting last week of conservative and moderate
> Democrats, who said they feared tying the hands
> of the administration when dealing with an
> unpredictable and potentially hostile regime in
> Tehran.
> 
> Public opinion has swung the way of Democrats on
> the issue of the war. More than six in 10
> Americans think the conflict was a mistake -- the
> largest number yet found in AP-Ipsos polling.
> 
> But Democrats have struggled to find a compromise
> that can satisfy both liberals who oppose any
> funding for the military effort and conservatives
> who do not want to unduly restrict the commander
> in chief.
> 
> "This supplemental should be about supporting the
> troops and providing what they need," said Rep.
> Dan Boren, D-Okla., on Monday upon returning from
> a trip to Iraq. Boren said he plans to oppose any
> legislation setting a clear deadline for troops
> to leave.
> 
> In his speech, Cheney chided lawmakers who are
> pressing for tougher action on Iran to oppose the
> president on the Iraq War. 
> 
> "It is simply not consistent for anyone to demand
> aggressive action against the menace posed by the
> Iranian regime while at the same time acquiescing
> in a retreat from Iraq that would leave our worst
> enemies dramatically emboldened and Israel's best
> friend, the United States, dangerously weakened,"
> he said.
> 
> ___________________
> 
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> 
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> 
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 13 12:47:28 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:47:28 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] one of my favorite customers
Message-ID: <45F6FFD0.404@earthlink.net>



Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

 > Today I'm delivering Dana's refurbished computer, Mabo.
 > Dana's our county GP phone contact.
 >
 > Mabo is a PC using the Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 "Etch"
 > operating system distribution.
 > Eddie Mabo was a hero of the indigenous rights movement
 > in Australia.
 >
 > Welcome back, Dana!
 >
 >
 > Cameron
 >


Cameron,

       It's great to be (more or less) back!

Dana


[Ed. note: this is being sent from my computer rather
than Dana's computer, because delivery is not complete yet, Gerry]



From andid at cagreens.org  Tue Mar 13 12:49:06 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:49:06 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Boxer's Global Warming Bill--Worth Signing?
Message-ID: <48DEF4DB-F56C-41BF-8BFE-7D19D1601D39@cagreens.org>

Do we sign this as GP members or is it a nothing bill?
Any comments?
Andrea


From andid at cagreens.org  Tue Mar 13 13:06:22 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:06:22 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Doug Thompson of Capital Hill Blue: Turn off
	the life support: America is dead
In-Reply-To: <738222.97767.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <738222.97767.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EA660907-71D7-4AFF-A1BC-3582961407D1@cagreens.org>

As long as people are willing to vote for one or the other of the two  
Majors that will throw a few crumbs to them, we will continue to have  
the government we "deserve," unfortunately.  A man called Jefferson  
warned the people that we would need a revolution every 50 years.  We  
ignored that.  Another man called Eisenhower warned us about the  
unholy trio that runs the eternal wars.  We ignored that.  Lately, a  
man called Nader told us that we needed to vote for a strong third  
party to challenge the assumptions of the two-headed hydra.  We  
ignored that.  We have the government we deserve.  I include myself  
in that because I have not been able to explain and frame in the  
right terms why the forgoing are truths.
Andrea

On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:03 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Turn off the life support: American is dead.
> Date:	 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:33:47 -0500
>
> Turn off the life support: America is dead
>
> By DOUG THOMPSON
>
> 03/09/07 "Capital Hill Blue" -- -- Maybe, just maybe, it's time to  
> pull
> the plug on this failed democratic republic called The United  
> States of
> America.
>
> Turn off the life support. Disconnect the IVs. Bring in the priest for
> last rites. The US of A is brain dead with no chance for revival.
>
> Some 40 years ago, I lost friends in the heat and squalor of Vietnam.
> They died in a war that never needed to be fought, supporting a cause
> that didn't exist for a government that lied to justify the fight.
>
> A few years later, as a young reporter, I wrote about the attempts of
> Richard Milhous Nixon to destroy the Constitution of the United  
> States.
> He failed because the system worked and both Congress and the Supreme
> Court exercised their powers in our system of checks and balances to
> restore order to a faltering nation.
>
> "The lessons of Vietnam and Watergate provide a roadmap for the
> future," I wrote at the time. "With luck, our leaders can use that
> roadmap to avoid the mistakes of the past."
>
> Now, 33-and-a-half years after the Vietnam War came to an end without
> resolution and Nixon left office without honor, I'm losing family of
> friends in the heat and squalor of Iraq. They die in a war that never
> needed to be fought, supporting a cause that doesn't exist for a
> government that lied to justify their sacrifices.
>
> Another despot occupies the Presidency, an evil man whose lust for
> power surpasses Nixon and who poses a far greater danger to the
> Constitution. This time, however, the system is failing to protect
> America from despots. George W. Bush rides roughshod over a compliant
> Congress. The Supreme Court, packed with knee-jerk right-wingers who
> helped put Bush in office in 2000, abdicated its role long ago.
>
> For a moment - a brief one to be sure - we held out hope that the  
> voice
> of the voters might be heard after the November midterm elections. But
> turning out the corrupt Republican leadership of Congress was not
> enough. Democrats who control the House lack the balls to take Bush on
> and the razor-thin majority in the Senate can't even get a vote
> together on a non-binding resolution.
>
> Democrats Thursday unveiled a plan to bring troops home by the end of
> 2008 but Bush is already threatening a veto if the bill gets out of
> Congress, which is probably won't.
>
> In the meantime, we've learned that Bush lied about both the size and
> cost of his "troop surge" that he claims will bring peace and  
> stability
> to Iraq. Not only are we sending more troops in than he said, at a  
> cost
> far higher than he projected, his own general on the ground says they
> will have to stay longer than he told the American people earlier this
> year.
>
> Over at the U.S. Department of Justice, an contradiction of terms  
> if we
> over heard one, the FBI has lied repeatedly about its use, and abuse,
> of the rights-robbing USA Patriot Act to obtain information on U.S.
> citizens. I find it disturbing that in all their rhetoric about
> restoring America to the people, the new Democratic leadership of
> Congress doesn't say a damn thing about repealing the USA Patriot Act,
> an ill-conceived bill crafted by former attorney general John  
> Ashcroft,
> and hastily voted into law after 9/11 by shell-shocked representatives
> and Senators who later admitted they hadn't even read it.
>
> Today we learn that the federal government, at the direction of the
> White House, routinely ignores the Freedom of Information Act and  
> hides
> more and more government documents under a cloak of secrecy.
>
> Both Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader  
> Harry
> Reid joined with Republicans to vote not only for original passage of
> the USA Patriot Act but also to reauthorize it. Bush has used the act
> to justify spying on Americans, wiretapping without warrants and strip
> away the last protections of the Constitution.
>
> While Congress slept and the Supreme Court looked the other way, the
> Bush administration has gone on its merry way seizing absolute control
> of the United States government. He fired independent thinking U.S.
> attorneys, replacing them with lockstep right-wingers who share his
> view of totalitarian control of government. He ignores the laws of
> Congress, issuing "signing statements" that give him the power to do
> whatever he wants. When the federal courts declared his wiretapping of
> Americans illegal, he ignored the ruling and appointed an in-house
> review panel that declared the program "legal."
>
> It doesn't matter who controls Congress. Congress is a dead
> institution, ruled by timid legislators who no longer exercise any  
> real
> role in the governing of this nation.
>
> It doesn't matter what the Supreme Court may or may not do. The
> President of the United States has declared himself a "war time
> President" and granted himself dictatorial rights that no one in
> Congress or the Court appears able to successfully challenge him.
>
> The America we used to cherish is dead, replaced by a ruthless
> dictator. The America that more than 3,100 men and women died for in
> Iraq no longer exists. We might as well pull the sheet over Uncle  
> Sam's
> head and prepare for the funeral.
>
> Or can we, as a people, regain control of our government? Perhaps, but
> doing so will require drastic measures. I'm not talking about kicking
> out one party of political hacks and replacing it with another: Been
> there, done that, witnessed the failure.
>
> We need to rethink this experiment called America. Maybe we need to
> start with a clean sheet of paper. Maybe it's time to recognize that
> our present America is a rotting corpse, devoured from within by the
> cancer of politics, corruption, greed and a lust for power.
>
> Maybe it's time for a new American Revolution. After all, the last one
> started because another guy named George tried to destroy our way of
> life.
>
> *****************
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Tue Mar 13 13:18:14 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:18:14 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] De Anza Greens Have Begun
In-Reply-To: <397579.13847.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <397579.13847.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BB2CBEB4-B13C-4D21-A2A1-F62D383AF7C2@cagreens.org>

Can you keep us in the loop about their activities?  I'd like to  
support that.
We might be able to do an interview on BET TV show.
In fact, I'd love to do a panel with 1) the two Majors and the GP  
student groups at DeAnza, or 2) any and all third party student  
groups at DeAnza.
What do you all think:  good idea?  bad?
Andrea

On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:57 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> I got the paperwork and the signatures together to start up the De  
> Anza
> (as in Junior College) Greens!  Rich Wood, the fellow who sponsored  
> the
> talk by Matt Gonzales and another instructor Bob Stockwell have agreed
> to be the Faculty Advisors (and I'm talking to both of them about
> running for office in '08 on the Green Party ticket!!!).  So soon we
> should have another Campus Greens chapter up and running. ;-)
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love
> (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
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From andid at cagreens.org  Tue Mar 13 13:27:04 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:27:04 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas
In-Reply-To: <45F4C9DF.5050301@charter.net>
References: <45F4C9DF.5050301@charter.net>
Message-ID: <9E4A6F18-6FA8-440B-9912-9A1BA733EBAA@cagreens.org>

Great wisdom from afar!  Thank you, Wes, for thinking about it from  
another perspective, especially with regard to the marvelous people  
we have lost  over the years.  I have my ideas about what happened,  
but your suggestion to ask the persons involved is the best way.   
(Maybe we don't ask because we don't want to know.)
Andrea

On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:32 PM, Wes Rolley wrote:

> I am not sure that I have solutions, but I want to make two comments
> regarding Jim's comments about recruiting and retaining people.
>
> The first comment is anecdotal.  I participated in the volunteer  
> driven
> non-profit called the Digital Clubhouse <http://www.digiclub.org/sv/>.
> One of the founders had been a consultant with SRI.  His position was
> that the single most important task for a volunteer organization  
> was to
> recruit and develop your successor.  Then, you can either step aside,
> retire or move on to bigger and better things.  The need to retain  
> power
> is often disguised to ones self as "we need to get this done and no  
> one
> else is stepping up, so I have to do it."
>
> People burn out. Interests change.  The health of any organization,
> especially one driven by volunteers, requires recruiting new leaders,
> giving them a chance to fail, but making sure that they don't.
>
> The second comment is that the best people to ask about why we  
> don't do
> better in retaining people are those who are no longer as active as  
> they
> once were.  For example, Charlotte Casey.  She is still an activist,
> just not with GPSCC.  Maybe the old time members could make that list
> better than I .  We should ask them why they are no longer as active
> and, maybe more importantly, what we could have done to retain them.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough;
> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
>
>
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From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar 13 15:09:18 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:09:18 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Strategy Committee Meeting.
Message-ID: <45F7210E.1020607@charter.net>

Jim Stauffer posted earlier about a Strategy Meeting on March 31.

I have booked the meeting room of the Morgan Hill Public Library 
<http://www.santaclaracountylib.org/morganhill/> from 1:00 to 4:00 on 
that day. (This is the last day that they are booking this room as they 
prepare to move to a new building this summer.)

There is some ability to change the hours, if required.  The library is 
open from 10 AM to 6 M.

The location is 17575 Peak Ave. 

Driving / bus directions are here:
http://www.santaclaracountylib.org/morganhill/MHdirections.html

Most common access is by car...the count of traffic lights on the 
library site is out of date, so...

 From the North

    Take U.S. 101 south from San Jose.
    Take the East Dunne Avenue exit in Morgan Hill.
    Turn right (west) onto Dunne.
    Cross Monterey Highway (4th traffic light).
    Turn right on Peak Avenue (first stop sign after Monterey Rd).
    Turn left on Main (first stop sign).
    Turn left again into the Library parking lot (corner of Peak & Main).

Weekend bus schedule for VTA Route 68 (San Jose Diridon Station to 
Gilroy) is here:
http://www.vta.org/schedules/SC_68.html#effective_dates

Wes


-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar 13 15:42:18 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:42:18 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] De Anza Greens Have Begun
In-Reply-To: <BB2CBEB4-B13C-4D21-A2A1-F62D383AF7C2@cagreens.org>
References: <397579.13847.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BB2CBEB4-B13C-4D21-A2A1-F62D383AF7C2@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <45F728CA.1050806@charter.net>

Andrea Dorey wrote:
> Can you keep us in the loop about their activities?  I'd like to  
> support that.
> We might be able to do an interview on BET TV show.
> In fact, I'd love to do a panel with 1) the two Majors and the GP  
> student groups at DeAnza, or 2) any and all third party student  
> groups at DeAnza.
> What do you all think:  good idea?  bad?
> Andrea
I think that it is a great idea. But, it's success all depends on who 
represents each party and how articulate they are.

For example, when I went to a small college (Redlands) many years ago, 
we had a great debate team, one of the best in the nation. Of course, 
one of the members of that team ended up Deputy Assistant Secretary of 
Health, Education and Welfare; and a former Director of Congressional 
Relations at the U.S. Department of Transportation while another ended 
up as Press Secretary for the State Department.

You would not have wanted to be going up against either.



-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From tnharter at ispwest.com  Tue Mar 13 17:24:21 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:24:21 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Doug Thompson of Capital Hill Blue: Turn
 offthe life support: America is dead
In-Reply-To: <738222.97767.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
	EA660907-71D7-4AFF-A1BC-3582961407D1@cagreens.org
References: <738222.97767.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
	EA660907-71D7-4AFF-A1BC-3582961407D1@cagreens.org
Message-ID: <45F740B5.5040005@ispwest.com>

I think about this sometimes. It seems to me that what we need
is a way to discuss what is utterly forgetable. Not what was
forgetten as an excuse, or what is forgotten because it was burried
under a mountain of paper, or what is forgotten because the
that was supposed to tell you about it had to answer his cell
phone and you never heard whatever it was, or any of the
other things we might forget for some good reason. I'm talking
about the things that EVERYBODY forgets because there is
simply no good reason to remember them.

I have a Utah Philips CD that I really like. One of the reasons
is because he uses many clever story teller tricks to make his
words more memorable. For example in one song he talks
about somebody that was "trying to make him forget something
that if I remembered it might get me in a whole lot of trouble."
In another he talks about going outside and geting a rock,
just to drop it on your foot to prove that the past hasn't gone
anywhere. As he says "what did that rock have to do with
decade packages?"

Somehow I have a feeling that if I could come up with the right
way to frame it, people would just get the idea that cars are bad
and stop driving. I know part of the reason I can't explain it is
that they look up from talking to me and something more
important catches their eyes. How many remember my message?
I'm tempted to think fogetting the point is the usual thing...

It doesn't bother me that I forget most of my junk mail.
It doesn't bother me that I forget most of the meals I eat.
It doesn't bother me that I forget most of the enertainment
that goes by. Why should it bother me that I'm forgotten?
I don't know, but it does.... I get this feeling like nuclear waste
is really just a big pile of forgotten inconvienent truths.

Andrea Dorey wrote:

>As long as people are willing to vote for one or the other of the two  
>Majors that will throw a few crumbs to them, we will continue to have  
>the government we "deserve," unfortunately.  A man called Jefferson  
>warned the people that we would need a revolution every 50 years.  We  
>ignored that.  Another man called Eisenhower warned us about the  
>unholy trio that runs the eternal wars.  We ignored that.  Lately, a  
>man called Nader told us that we needed to vote for a strong third  
>party to challenge the assumptions of the two-headed hydra.  We  
>ignored that.  We have the government we deserve.  I include myself  
>in that because I have not been able to explain and frame in the  
>right terms why the forgoing are truths.
>Andrea
>
>On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:03 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>
>  
>
>>(snip)
>>Maybe it's time for a new American Revolution. After all, the last one
>>started because another guy named George tried to destroy our way of
>>life.
>>
>>    
>>


-- 
Tian
We got great coverage for our protest in Los Gatos Saturday:
http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php?article_id=0226



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 13 19:38:20 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:38:20 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Berkeley Resolution on Iran
Message-ID: <45F7601C.6080600@earthlink.net>


Below is the resolution (in simple text) that the Berkeley
City Council is voting on tonight.  I have made some changes,
namely fixed some typos and fixed some broken URLs.

NOTE: There are some links to interesting articles in the
footnotes.

Here is the original agenda (with link to resolution):

http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/citycouncil/2007citycouncil/packet/031307/03-13a.htm


Gerry


======================================================

***** Modified from original *****

Kriss Worthington
Councilmember, City of Berkeley District 7 2180 Milvia Street,
5th Floor, Berkeley, CA 94704
PHONE 510-981-7170 FAX 510-981-7177
kworthington at ci.berkeley.ca.us

CONSENT CALENDAR March 13, 2007
To: Honorable Mayor and Members of the City Council
From: Councilmember Kriss Worthington

Subject: Opposition to US Military Intervention or Use of
Force in Iran

RECOMMENDATION: That the Berkeley City Council opposes any
form of military intervention or use of force against Iran.

BACKGROUND:
The attached resolution was officially approved by the Peace
and Justice Commission on March 5, 2007. While the Bush
administration has recently been involved in gathering United
Nations support to tighten sanctions against Iran, it has
been sending unclear messages to Iran and the international
community about its willingness to engage in a military
confrontation with Iran. Vice President Dick Cheney, having
publicly voiced his support for a "regime change," has also
noted that the administration has to this point noted that
"we haven't taken any options off the table." Last month,
President Bush ordered an additional aircraft carrier into
waters within striking distance of Iran, hoping that military
force might pressure Iran into negotiations. These actions
have only publicly emboldened President Ahmadinejad. In light
of the increasing escalation in Iraq, and the potential for
increased instability in the Middle East, military action
used in a confrontation or as a threat would only worsen an
already difficult situation for the United States, both in
the region and internationally. This resolution represents
the Council's opposition of the use of force, particularly
without international support or honest diplomacy.

FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS: NONE

CONTACT PERSON: Councilmember Kriss Worthington 981-7170.

Attachment: 1. Resolution


RESOLUTION

WHEREAS,
   Berkeley Municipal Code Section 3.68 states that the Peace
   and Justice Commission shall "Advise the Berkeley City
   Council on all matters relating to the City of Berkeley's
   role in issues of peace...," and "The residents of Berkeley
   have continually demonstrated their concern for peace and
   justice based on equality among all peoples..."; and

WHEREAS,
   Iran poses no imminent nuclear threat as it could take Iran
   eight years to manufacture a nuclear device (1), or in
   extreme worst-case scenario, three years (2), and the
   International Atomic Energy Agency has found no proof that
   Iran diverted nuclear material to a weapons program (3),
   and a senior United Nations (U.N.) diplomat in Iran said
   regarding Western spy services' tips about secret Iranian
   weapons, "Pretty much all the intelligence that's come to
   us has proved to be wrong" (3); and

WHEREAS,
   up to five United States (U.S.) generals and admirals are
   willing to resign rather than approve what they see as a
   reckless attack on Iran (4), and an attack on Iran could
   backfire (5), and Senators Boxer and Feinstein have both
   called for diplomacy in accordance with international law
   rather than preemptive war (6); and

WHEREAS,
   the U.S. has ratified the U.N. Charter which states that no
   nation shall use force or threat of force against the
   territorial integrity or political independence of any
   nation (Article 2.4) and that, only if attacked, a nation
   may respond only once before informing the UN and bringing
   the conflict before the U.N. Security Council (Article 51);
   and

WHEREAS,
   on February 24, 2007 U.S. religious leaders met in Tehran
   with President Ahmadinejad who declared that Iran has no
   intention to acquire or use nuclear weapons and stated that
   he has no reservation about talks with American officials
   if there is goodwill (7), and in 2003 Dick Cheney and Karl
   Rove reviewed an offer from the Iranian government to
   increase transparency of its nuclear program and hold
   negotiations, according to Colin Powell's former chief of
   staff, which offer the Bush administration ignored (8), and
   the CIA tried to censor related reporting (9), yet
   Halliburton sold key components for a nuclear reactor to
   Iran (10); and

WHEREAS,
   Article I Section 8 of the United States Constitution
   provides that only the Congress has the authority to
   declare war; and

WHEREAS,
   while recognizing that inflammatory rhetoric may discourage
   diplomacy, it does not constitute a security threat, and
   dozens of Iranian scholars reacted to the Tehran Holocaust
   conference by condemning the immoral stance of Holocaust
   denial (11), as did the U.N. General Assembly (12).

NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED
   that the Berkeley City Council commend Representative
   Barbara Lee for sponsoring H.R. 770 (13) "To prohibit the
   use of funds to carry out any covert action for the purpose
   of causing regime change in Iran or to carry out any
   military action against Iran in the absence of an imminent
   threat, in accordance with international law and
   constitutional and statutory requirements for congressional
   authorization," and request that Senators Barbara Boxer and
   Dianne Feinstein cosponsor Senator Jim Webb's bill
   prohibiting funds for military operations in Iran without
   the consent of Congress (14), and that they recommend an
   appropriations amendment or rider to restrict funds, such as:
  [1] No funds from any source shall be used for any military
      action against Iran, Syria, or any new target, and
  [2] Any executive violation shall be construed as a high
      crime and misdemeanor.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED,
   that the Berkeley City Council encourage concerned
   Berkeleyans to ask amenable contacts in other districts to
   lobby their Representatives to cosponsor H.R. 770 and get
   it out of Committee, and their Senators to cosponsor
   Senator Webb's bill.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED,
   that the City of Berkeley supports the International
   Atomic Energy Agency's efforts to verify Iran's nuclear
   activities, encourages Iran to cooperate fully with those
   efforts, and applauds the action of the United Nations
   General Assembly in condemning Holocaust denial.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED,
   that the Berkeley City Council direct the City Clerk, with
   a Peace and Justice Commissioner's assistance, to send
   copies of this signed Resolution promptly to U.S. Senators
   Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Jim Webb, Bernard Sanders,
   Robert Byrd, Chair Senate Foreign Relations Committee
   Joseph Biden, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid;
   U.S. Representative Barbara Lee, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi,
   Chair House Foreign Affairs Committee Tom Lantos, Chair
   House Armed Services Committee Ike Skelton, Chair House
   Intelligence Committee Silvestre Reyes; the National
   Conference of Democratic Mayors and the U.S. League of
   Cities; and U.N. SecretaryGeneral Ban Ki-moon and U.N.
   General Assembly President Sheikha Haya Al Khalifa.


(1) reprinted from NY Times in SF Chronicle on 1/27/07
     "Iran going ahead with nuclear program, UN official says
     - ElBaradei urges all sides to ratchet down tensions"
       by Mark Landler and David Sanger
     www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/27/MNG9DNQ6KP1.DTL
(2) Federation of American Scientists,
     www.fas.org/cgi-bin/ucountdown.pl;
     11th clause of Senator Bernard Sanders' Concurrent
     Resolution 13:
     http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.CON.RES.13:
(3) "UN Calls US Data on Iran's Nuclear Aims Unreliable"
       by Bob Drogin and Kim Murphy LA Times 2/25/07
 
www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-usiran25feb25,0,4451045.story?coll=la-home-headlines
(4) "US Generals `Will Quit' If Bush Orders Iran Attack"
       by Michael Smith and Sarah Baxter Sunday Times Online 2/25/07
     www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1434540.ece
(5) "Attack on Iran would backfire, warns report" 3/5/07
     www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329734502-111322,00.html
(6) "Confronting Iran: Will we learn from our mistakes and
     apply tough diplomacy-or rely once again on the failed
     doctrine of preemption?"
       by Dianne Feinstein, LA Times 4/15/06
     http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/59/19119
     On 2/26/07 Sen. Boxer wrote to a Berkeleyan that she
     believes the U.S. and the international community must
     continue to pursue diplomatic options and that she will
     continue to push for a diplomatic solution re Iran.
(7)
     www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/48794/
     www.nccinterfaith.blogspot.com/
     www.ncccusa.org/news/070222.irantalks.html
     www.afsc.org/iran/
(8)
 
www.sandersresearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1099&Itemid=41
     "Ex-Congressional Aide: Karl Rove Personally Received
     (And Ignored) Iranian Peace Offer in 2003"
     www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/26/157241& mode=thread&tid=25
(9) "Former NSC official says White House tried to censor him"
       reprinted from the LA Times in the SF Chronicle 12/19/06.
 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/19/MNGMAN244T1.DTL
(10) "Halliburton Charged with Selling Nuclear Technologies to Iran"
       by Jason Leopold
     http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2007/index.htm#2
(11)
 
www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/world/middleeast/27holocaust.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
(12)
     www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=21355&Cr=holocaust&Cr1=
(13)
     http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.00770:
(14) Press release on Senator Webb's website:
     http://webb.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=270138



From jims at greens.org  Tue Mar 13 21:05:32 2007
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:05:32 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [GPCA Official Notice] ANNOUNCEMENT: GPCA
 General Assembly, May  26-27, San Francisco]
Message-ID: <45F7748C.EA054D8F@greens.org>



GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE

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or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. 
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To: Green Party of California members
From: General Assemby Planning Sub-Committee
Subject: Announcing next GPCA General Assembly


Dear Green Party of California member,

We are excited to announce that the next General Assembly meeting of the
Green Party of California will be held Friday, May 25th to Sunday, May
27th, 2007 in San Francisco, at the State Government Building, 450
Golden Gate Ave, San Francisco, CA 94102-3661.

Agenda, registration and logistical information about this meeting will
be available here: http://www.cagreens.org/plenary

You may participate in this important event in a number of ways:

At the General Assembly
- as a delegate or a observer in the decision-making plenary sesssions
and/or
- as participant in working group, standing committee and/or caucus meetings

Before the General Assembly
- with a working group or standing committee that is generating a proposal
- discussing the agenda proposals in your county and on-line

Delegates are appointed by their counties. Check with your local county
Green organization to find out how your local process works. The number
of delegates per county is set by to a formula in the GPCA Bylaws.The 
number of delegates per county for the San Francisco General
Assembly will be posted here by April 13th: 
http://www.cagreens.org/liaison/delegates.html.

Proposals are brought to the General Assembly by Working Groups and
Standing Committees. This is the proposal template format
(http://www.cagreens.org/cc/internal/admin/PropFormat.rtf). You may
participate in the proposal-generating process as
Working Group and Standing Comittee members or observers, on their
monthly teleconference calls or via their email lists.

A General Assembly Timeline follows below. If you have any questions
about this process, please email the General Assemby Planning
Sub-Committee at agenda-team at cagreens.org.

We look forward to seeing you in San Francisco. Your General Assembly
Planning Sub-Committee,

Mike Feinstein, Santa Monica
Paul Franklin, Santa Cruz
Magali Offerman, San Diego
Jada Salamatian, Kern County
Tim Smith, Sonoma County
Laura Wells, Oakland

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Key Dates and Deadlines:

? March 6th:Deadline for first drafts of proposals to be submitted to
Agenda Committee (GA-80)
? March 16th: Deadline for final drafts of proposals to be submitted to
Agenda Committee (GA-70)
? March 26th: Deadline for submission of candidate statements for
Coordinating Committee, Treasurer, Liaison to Secretary of State and
GPUS Delegation (GA-60)
? April 12th: Agenda available on www.cagreens.org/plenary (GA-43)
? April 25th: Registration and logistics available on
www.cagreens.org/plenary (GA-30)
? May 26th: General Assembly, day one (GA-00)
? May 27th: General Assembly, day two (GA+01)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2007-05/internal/timeline.html

Entire General Assembly Timeline


March 6th: Deadline (WGs, Commitees) - Deadline for first drafts of
proposals to be submitted to Agenda Committee (GA-80)

March 16th: Deadline (WGs, Commitees) - Deadline for final drafts of
proposals to be submitted to Agenda Committee (GA-70)

March 23rd: Decision (GAP) - Agenda Committee approves draft agenda to
submit to Coordinating Committee (GA-63)

March 26th: Deadline (candidates) - Submission of At-Large Coordinating
Committee member candidate statements (GA-60)
candidate statement application
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_cc_at_large.rtf
job description per GPCA Bylaws
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_cc_2007.php

March 26th: Deadline (candidates) - Submission of GPCA Treasurer
candidate statements (GA-60)
candidate statement application
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_treasurer.rtf
job description per GPCA Bylaws
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_treasurer_2007.php

March 26th: Deadline (candidates) - Submission of GPCA Liaison to
Secretary of State candidate statements (GA-60)
candidate statement application
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_liason_to_SoS.rtf
job description per GPCA Bylaws
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_liaison_to_SoS_2007.php

March 26th: Deadline (candidates) - Submission of GPUS Delegation member
candidate statements (GA-60)
candidate statement application
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_gpus_delegation.rtf
job description per GPCA Bylaws
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_gpus_delegation_2007.php

April 11th: Decision (CC): Coordinating Committee approves General
Assembly Draft Agenda (GA-46)

April 14th: Notice (GAP): Publish Plenary Packet (proposals/other agenda
items) (G-43)
- publish in .pdf format on www.cagreens.org/plenary via "link to
password-protected agenda packet";
- publish in .html form on www.cagreens.org/plenary via "link to
password-protected agenda packet";
- publish on web-based discussion page
- notice to county contact list and SC/WG e-lists

April 13th: Decision (CC): Determine which counties are active to send
delegates  (GA-42)
- 100 delegate seats allocated to active counties, based on Green
registration totals per active county.
- notice to county contacts and SC/WG e-lists

April 22th: Deadline (Host Committee) Host Committee provides
registration information to IT (GA-33)
- Host Committee provides necessary registration information to GPCA-IT
for inclusion on registration page on www.cagreens.org/plenary

April 25th: Notice (GAP) - Publish Logistics/Open Registration (GA-30)
- publish in .pdf format on www.cagreens.org/plenary via "link to
password-protected agenda packet";

April 25th: Notice (GAP) - Publish Logistics/Open Registration (GA-30)
- publish on www.cagreens.org/plenary
- notice to county contact list and SC/WG e-lists
- notice included in banner of www.cagreens.org home page

May 25th: Decision (CC) - Coordinating Committee meets for final draft
agenda review (GA-01)

May 26th: Decision (GA) - Agenda approval at beginning of General
Assembly, day one (GA-00)

May 27th: Decision (GA) - Agenda approval at beginning of General
Assembly, day two (GA+01) (if necessary)

June 10th: Report (WGs): Updating Working Group Membership (GA+14)
- Working Group Membership update filed with CC by WG Co-Cos

June 10th: Report (Minutes Taker): Submission of Draft Minutes (GA+14)
- official minutes to contain ?decisions taken? (including full text of
proposals passed), ?amendments accepted?, ?votes cast/consensus
reached?, ?approval threshold?, ?outstanding concerns?, ?delegates
present?, ?counties present?, ?regions present?, ?quorum counts?

June 17th: Notice (CC, GAP): Circulation of Draft Minutes  (GA+21)
- publish on www.cagreens.org/plenary via "link to password-protected
agenda packet";
- notice to county contact list and SC/WG e-lists

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From jims at greens.org  Tue Mar 13 21:09:05 2007
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:09:05 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [GPCA Official Notice] POST-PLENARY REPORT:
 GPCA General Assembly, September 9th-10th, SouthLake Tahoe]
Message-ID: <45F77561.24E030CE@greens.org>




GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE

This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List.  For more information,
or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. 
Follow the contact directions
stated in the email.




To: Green Party of California members
From: General Assemby Planning Sub-Committee
Subject: Post-Plenary Report from S. Lake Tahoe General Assembly


Dear Green Party of California member,

This is the post-plenary report from the  GPCA General Assembly,
September 9th-10th, 2006, in South Lake Tahoe (El Dorado County).

http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/

It contains a record of General Assembly Agenda, Quorum Counts and
Decisions Takens:

Draft Agenda
http://www.cagreens.org/plenary/archives/agendas/0609Agd_EDC_pro.pdf 
(.pdf format)
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/cc/agenda_draft_final.htm (.html format)

Approved Agenda
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/agenda_approved.htm



Opening Quorum Count (Saturday am) = 8/11 regions present and 38
delegates registered

- Meeting Quorum Achieved (at least 2/3 of the GPCA's 11 regions needed
for meeting quorum - at least 7)

- Decision-Making Quorum Achieved (at least 4/5 of delegates registered
needed for decision-making quorum - at least 31)


01.  Affirm Agenda (amended) - Approved by Consensus (66.7% needed)
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/agenda_approved.htm

02.  Approve minutes of Ventura Genera Assembly - Item Withdrawn from Agenda

03.  Approving GPUS Affiliation Agreement (amended) - Not Approved
23-22-2, 51.1% (80% needed)
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/gpca_gpus_affiliation.htm

04.  Elderly Platform Plank (amended) - Approved by Consensus
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/plank_elderly.htm

05.  Review of Ballot Propositions by GPCA General Assembly - 'Yes' on
87, 'No' on 1B, 83, 85,
90http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/review_ballot_measures.htm


Opening Quorum Count (Sunday am) = 38/100 delegates registered

- Decision-Making Quorum Achieved (at least 4/5 of 38 delegates
initially registered needed for decision-making quorum - at least 31 needed)

06.  Adjust CC budget for plenary travel expenses - prior CC decision
announced to plenary
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/cc/adjust_budget.htm

07.  Campaign Support Fund #1, Not Approved 26-13-5, one absent, 66.7%
(80% needed)

08.  Campaign Support Fund #2, Approved by Consensus (80% needed)
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/campaign_support_fund2.htm


Decision Quorum Count (Sunday am) = 46 delegates present

- Decision-Making Quorum Achieved (at least 4/5 of 38 delegates
initially registered needed for decision-making quorum - at least 31 needed)

09.  Resolution urging Gov. Schwarzenegger to revisit 3-strikes
legislation - Approved by Consensus (80% needed)
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/cc/SantosReyesResolution.gif

10.  Immigration Platform Plank (amended) - Approved by Consensus (80%
needed)
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/plank_immigration.htm


11. California Clean Air Platform Plank (amended) - Approved by
Consensus (80% needed)
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/plank_clean_air.htm

Decision Quorum Count (Sunday pm) = 29 delegates present

- Decision-Making Quorum Lost (at least 4/5 of 38 delegates initially
registered needed for decision-making quorum - at least 31 needed)

12. Set next General Assembly location and approximate date, No proposal
made.
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/set_plenary_date.htm

13. Confirmation and introduction of any new GPCA Standing Committees
and Working Group Co-coordinators, Proposal made; but no decision taken
for lack of quorum. (66.7% needed)
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2006-09/results/confirm_cocoordinators.htm


Looking ahead, we are excited to announce that the next General Assembly
meeting of the Green Party of California will be held May 26-27, 2007 in
San Francisco:

http://www.cagreens.org/plenary/
http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2007-05/internal/timeline.htm

We look forward to seeing you there. Your General Assembly Planning
Sub-Committee,

Mike Feinstein, Santa Monica
Paul Franklin, Santa Cruz
Magali Offerman, San Diego
Jada Salamatian, Kern County
Tim Smith, Sonoma County
Laura Wells, Oakland

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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 13 21:54:29 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:54:29 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
Message-ID: <45F78005.8090701@sbcglobal.net>

Tian wrote
As I type this, I've been car free for more than four months.

Tian has the luxury of not having to go to work each weekday.

His statement implies that others should also go car free.

That means an effort should be made to provide others with this opportunity.

This then is a chance for the Green Party to take action on several
transportation issues and issues related to transportation.

Please add this to the list for the retreat in Morgan Hill.





From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Wed Mar 14 00:58:21 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 03:58:21 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peace & Sustainability Bike ride coming thru San
	Jose, we need hosts!
Message-ID: <d27.42fde76.3329051d@aol.com>

Hi All,

A friend sent me this information.  Sounds like a great action for us to 
support. This could be our April event.  What does everyone think?

This is the link to their website.
http://www.emissariesofhope.org 

Merriam


From:? ? ?? littlebirdbecca at yahoo.com
 Subject:? ?? Peace & Sustainability Bike ride coming thru San? 
Jose, we need hosts!
? ?? Date:? ?? March 8, 2007 11:10:19 AM PST

we are starting a cross-continental peace and sustainability bike? 
ride http://www.emissariesofhope.org soon to be http:// 
www.catalystsofhope.org
We rely on individuals that are commited to transforming society at? 
large and small. Thinking globally starting locally. We are stopping? 
in many cities and towns on the way (check out our route schedule)? 
and offering non-violent communication workshops, discussion groups,? 
and movie showings (documentaries and such). We need hosts to? 
organize sleeping arrangements for the bicyclists, and to organize a? 
community event of their choosing or communities choosing and for? 
contacts in other cities along the way.

 Please contact me at this email or? 
for faster communication (541) 829-3379. Peace, Rebecca

Peace to you




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From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Mar 14 06:46:33 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:46:33 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peace & Sustainability Bike ride coming thru
 San	Jose, we need hosts!
Message-ID: <45F7FCB9.1070003@charter.net>

MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:
> /Hi All,
>
> A friend sent me this information. Sounds like a great action for us 
> to support. This could be our April event. What does everyone think?
>
> This is the link to their website./
> http://www.emissariesofhope.org
>
> /Merriam/
Merriam, and all...

There are two things which converge here, and which also do not 
necessarily support each other directly.

The schedule for the Emissaries of Hope puts them in San Jose on April 
21, 22. with a planned discussion at that time. April 22 is Earth Day.

This project involves bicycle riding while Earth Day 2007 is a "Call to 
Action on Climate Change". The focus of the Emissaries of Hope is on the 
idea of a "Sustainable Community" but their actions are aimed more at 
changing the way that people relate to each other.

If the GPSCC wants to become the local host for the Emissaries of Hope, 
then there is an implied commitment to providing a venue for their 
discussion... room and support for 20 people for 2 days. That is not a 
trivial task and a decisions would have to be made quickly. However, if 
all we are doing is to publicize the action for members to decide to 
participate on their own, then maybe we have already done that.

On the other hand, there is no currently planned "event" from the GPSCC 
for Earth Day.... though an organized bike ride might make sense. There 
are several possible scenarios for this type of event. One would be a 
riide through Coyote Valley that would call attention to the City of San 
Jose Specific Plan to develop the valley. (50 K jobs and 80 k 
residents). Another might focus on toxic cleanup surrounding Moffet 
Field. Another might focus on the Santa Clara Valley Water District 
plans to log redwoods in the Santa Cruz Mtns. above Los Gatos, though 
that would be a much more strenuous ride.

Something to think about, anyway.

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Mar 14 10:08:48 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:08:48 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Gonzales must go
Message-ID: <45F82C20.1030006@charter.net>

I call your attention to an editorial in today's Sacramento Bee.

http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/137324.html

Their conclusion is that Gonzales must go and their logic mirrors that 
of a recent SF Chronicle OpEd 
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/03/06/EDGRJN7AHK1.DTL>by 
Pete McCloskey.

I have written a letter to the editor of the Mercury News that called 
attention to this and the Mercury News editorial regarding the manner in 
which the FBI has been abusing the use of the Patriot Act to gather data 
on private individuals.  The Mercury News blasted the FBI.  But we need 
to get them to focus on Gonzales, who has politicized the office of 
Attorney General in a manner not seen since the days of John Mitchell.

I would like to see the Mercury News get 20 Letters to the editor 
<mailto:letters at mercurynews.com> today on this subject..  I  have sent 
one.. so, only 19 more to go.

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Wed Mar 14 11:47:30 2007
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:47:30 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bomb Iran Song
Message-ID: <000a01c76669$42bcfef0$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>

Here's a 3-minute description of the situation and a great song!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3851426890212250833

Here are the words to the song:
http://mnl_1221.tripod.com/bombiraq.html


Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 14 19:43:07 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:43:07 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Gonzales must go
References: <45F82C20.1030006@charter.net>
Message-ID: <45F8B2BB.2010600@earthlink.net>



Wes Rolley wrote:

> I call your attention to an editorial in today's Sacramento Bee.
> http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/137324.html


Here is an article describing a LOT of editorials against
Gonzalez:

"Editorial Pages Call for Axing Attorney General"
     http://www.commondreams.org/headlines07/0314-06.htm


<clip>

> I would like to see the Mercury News get 20 Letters to the editor 
> <mailto:letters at mercurynews.com> today on this subject..  I  have sent 
> one.. so, only 19 more to go.
> 

Mine is below.

Gerry



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Gonzalez Must Go!
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:35:31 -0800
From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
To: letters at mercurynews.com


                                                          March 14, 2007

Dear Editor,

Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez has many times defended
the Unconstitutional actions of the Bush Administration,
(for example denial of habeus corpus, warrantless
wiretapping, and torture).  By doing so, he has violated
his own oath of office.  Gonzalez must go.

Gerald Gras
<clip>



From egroups at duendevision.com  Wed Mar 14 20:03:33 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:03:33 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <136773.8652.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <136773.8652.qm@web52208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45F8B785.8080908@duendevision.com>

Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:

Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25

I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I 
definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.

Peace

Duende

-- 

___________________________________
The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the one 
proposed by the corporate media and government, 9/11 being a perfect 
example.


From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Mar 14 20:25:03 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:25:03 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] April Fools Day Action - No More Nukes
Message-ID: <45F8BC8F.7020904@charter.net>

As I have been mentioning on California Greening 
<http://cagreening.blogspot.com/>, the probability of new nuclear power 
plants in increasing as they are being offered as a solution to global 
warming.  I invite you to join the Alliance 4 Nuclear Responsibility in 
an April 1 action.  Everyone should turn off their lights for 5 minutes 
at 8:00 PM.  It is not nice to fool Mother Nature.

I posted their flier to my personal site (not sure how to quickly post 
files to this list.)  Print it out and pass it on. If is in pdf format. 
(color).  http://www.refpub.com/GreenDocs/April+FoolsAction.pdf

The Alliance for Nuclear Responsibility is headquartered in San Luis 
Obispo and most of its leadership are Green Party Members.

Wes.
-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Wed Mar 14 23:01:37 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:01:37 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tabling at San Jose Stop The War Rally & March
	Saturday
Message-ID: <cf0.ba7e7cf.332a3b41@aol.com>

Hi All,

At our last business meeting we agreed we would set up a table at the corner 
of Stevens Creek & Winchester during the Saturday (this Saturday) Stop The War 
Demonstration.

Are we still doing that?  Who will be there?  The Demonstration will be from 
12:30 -
2:00pm.

I'll be there, I'm one of the 10 SBM march monitors and will be helping keep 
the flow of the marchers staedy and safe.

The Rally is at the Fred Santana Park (near the end of Monroe at the corner 
of Tisch)
from 11:30am - Noon.  At noon everyone will start the march to Monroe & 
Stevens Creek and then march on Stevens Creek to Winchester.

We need a table.  If I remember correctly, Tim Alavarado said he would bring 
a card table and help with the tabling.

Merriam


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 01:04:36 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:04:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] County Commission Openings.
Message-ID: <269262.67957.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com>

It would be good if someone among us studied these and at the Strategy
Committee kickoff meeting "retreat" on the 31st we could plan how we
want to get some people on these commissions.   Below are the seven
pages of current openings:

http://tinyurl.com/ywpm7y

Current Vacancies on Boards & Commissions 

It is the policy of the Board of Supervisors to give public notice of
vacancies on Boards & Commissions for a period of up to 35 days (State
requirement of 10 days) so that interested persons may apply for
appointment.  Listed below are the Boards & Commissions that have
positions available for appointment. These are arranged by the
Supervisorial  District  that  will  make  the  appointment.  Also 
included  is  information  relating  to  the qualifications for
appointment,  the length of the term, and the commencement and
expiration dates of the term. 

For an application form or further information regarding Boards &
Commissions, contact the Clerk of the Board of Supervisors? Office,
Records Division at 408-299-5001. The application form is also
available on the County website, http://www.sccgov.org 

Vacant or Expired Positions Allocated or Rotating to Supervisor Gage 

Advisory Commission for Persons with Disabilities
 Appointee shall be selected from a list of three nominees submitted by
the Commission.  Appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2005 and will expire on June 30, 2009. (Vacant
position formerly held by Cynthia Waddell.) Vacant 

Advisory Commission for Persons with Disabilities 
Appointee shall be selected from a list of three nominees submitted by
the Commission.  Appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2010. (Incumbent
Kelly Wright is eligible for reappointment.) Expired       

Animal Advisory Commission 
Appointee shall be a representative of a humane organization.
Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced on July 1,
2005. Authority to appoint will remain with District 1 until term
expiration on June 30, 2008. (Vacant position formerly held by Bambi
Alexander-Banys.)  Vacant      

Child Abuse Council 
Nominee shall represent a public agency and have experience and
background in the child abuse field. Nomination for Board As-a-Whole
appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which commenced on July 1,
2006 and will expire on June 30, 2010. (Vacant position formerly held
by Anne Tracy Carlson.)   Vacant      

Child Abuse Council 
Nominee shall represent a private agency and have experience and
background in the child abuse field. Nomination for Board As-a-Whole
appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which commenced on July 1,
2005 and will expire on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held
by Paula Gann.)  Vacant      

Child Abuse Council 
Nominee shall represent a justice agency and have experience and
background in the child abuse field. Nomination for Board As-a-Whole
appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which commenced on July 1,
2003 and will expire on June 30, 2007. (Vacant position formerly held
by Julianne Sylva.) Vacant Code Enforcement Board of Appeals Appointee
shall be an architect and cannot be employed by the County of Santa
Clara.  Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced on
July 1, 2006. Authority to appoint will remain with District 1 until
term expiration on June 30, 2009.  (Vacant position formerly held by
Robert Steinberg.) Vacant      

Domestic Violence Council 
Appointee shall be a representative from the San Jose Police
Department. Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced
on July 1, 2005. Authority to appoint will remain with District 1 until
term expiration on June 30, 2008. (Vacant position formerly held by
Anthony Colon.) Vacant      

Fairgrounds Management Corporation 
Appointee shall represent the public at large. Appointment is for an
allocated 1 year term which commenced on January 1, 2007 and will
expire on December 31, 2007. (Incumbent Don Silacci is eligible for
reappointment.) Expired Historical Heritage Commission Appointee shall
have previously demonstrated participation and interest in matters
relating to the historical and cultural heritage of Santa Clara County.
Appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which commenced on July 1,
2003 and will expire on June 30, 2007. (Vacant position formerly held
by Edward Souza.) Vacant      

Parks and Recreation Commission 
Appointee shall represent the public at large. Appointment is for a
rotating 4 year term which commenced on July 1, 2006. Authority to
appoint remains with District 1 until term expiration on June 30, 2010.
(Incumbent Susan Brain is eligible for reappointment.) Expired  
   
Public Authority for In-Home Supportive Services Advisory Board 
Nominee shall be a provider from the contract mode. Nomination for
Board-as-a-Whole appointment is for a 4 year term which commenced on
July 1, 2005. Authority to nominate will remain with District 1 until
term expiration on June 30, 2009. (Incumbent Helena Haage is eligible
for reappointment) Expired      

San Martin Planning Advisory Committee 
Nominee shall be a representative of the San Martin community. 
Nomination for Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 4 year
term which commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2010. 
(Vacant position formerly held by Robert Cerruti.)  Vacant      

San Martin Planning Advisory Committee 
Nominee shall be the District 1 appointee representative to the
Planning Commission.  Nomination for Board As-a-Whole appointment is
for an allocated 4 year term which commenced on July 1, 2006 and will
expire on June 30, 2010. (Vacant position formerly held by Jack Bohan.)
 Vacant      

San Martin Planning Advisory Committee 
Nominee shall be a representative of the San Martin community.
Nomination for Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 4 year
term which commenced on July 1, 2004 and will expire on June 30, 2008. 
(Vacant position formerly held by Monte Anglin.)  Vacant      

Santa Clara County/Province of Florence, Italy, Sister County
Commission 
Appointee shall have previously demonstrated an interest or
participation in matters pertaining to the relationship between Italy
and the United States. Appointment is for an allocated 3 year term
which commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2009.
(Incumbent Stefano Russo is eligible for reappointment.) Vacant      

South County Joint Planning Committee 
Appointee shall be a County of Santa Clara Planning Commissioner.
Appointment is for a continuous term.  Vacant South County Joint
Planning Committee Appointee shall be a County of Santa Clara Planning
Commissioner. Appointment is for a continuous term. (Vacant position
formerly held by Ralph Santos.)  Vacant      

Uvas/Llagas Flood Control and Watershed (South Zone) 
Appointee shall reside within the zone they represent. Nomination for
Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 1 year term which
commenced on January 1, 2007 and will expire on December 31, 2007. 
(Vacant Alternate position formerly held by Jeff Martin.) 
Vacant      

Uvas/Llagas Flood Control and Watershed (South Zone) 
Appointee shall reside within the zone they represent. Nomination for
Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 1 year term which
commenced on January 1, 2007 and will expire on December 31, 2007.
(Vacant position formerly held Gurdyal Mann, Representative.)  Vacant 

 

Vacant or Expired Positions Allocated or Rotating to Supervisor
Alvarado 

Animal Advisory Commission 
Appointee shall be a representative of the public at large. Appointment
is for an allocated 3 year term which commenced on July 1, 2006 and
will expire on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held by Carole
Miller.) Vacant Consumer Affairs Advisory Commission Appointee shall be
a representative of the public at large. Appointment is for an
allocated 3 year term which commenced on July 1, 2004 and will expire
on June 30, 2007.  (Vacant position formerly held by Steve Romero.)
Vacant      

Consumer Affairs Advisory Commission 
Appointee shall be a representative of the public at large. Appointment
is for an allocated 3 year term which commenced on July 1, 2005 and
will expire on June 30, 2008.  (Vacant position formerly held by
William Ferguson) Vacant      

Council on Equal Employment Opportunities 
Appointee shall be a representative of a women?s organization.
Appointment is for a rotating 4 year term which commenced on July 1,
2006. Authority to appoint will remain with District 2 until term
expiration on June 30, 2010. (Vacant position formerly held by Lata
Patil.)  Vacant      

Fairgrounds Management Corporation 
Appointee shall represent the public at large. Appointment is for an
allocated 1 year term which commenced on January 1, 2007 and will
expire on December 31, 2007. (Incumbent William Anderson is eligible
for reappointment.) Expired      

Guadalupe Flood Control and Watershed (Central Zone) 
Nominee shall reside within the zone they represent. Nomination for
Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 1 year term which
commenced on January 1, 2007 and will expire on December 31, 2007.
(Vacant Alternate position formerly held by Gloria Spanier.) Vacant
Guadalupe Flood Control and Watershed (Central Zone) Nominee shall
reside within the zone they represent. Nomination for Board As-a-Whole
appointment is for an allocated 1 year term which commenced on January
1, 2007 and will expire on December 31, 2007. (Vacant position formerly
held by Dick Jarvis, Representative.) Vacant 

Health Advisory Commission 
Appointee shall be a representative from a health-based community
organization. Appointment is for a rotating 4 year term which commenced
on July 1, 2005. Authority to appoint will remain with District 2 until
term expiration on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held by
David Lees.) Vacant 

Housing and Community Development Advisory Committee Appointee shall
represent low-income members, residents of target neighborhoods or
minorities. Appointment is for an allocated 1 year term which commenced
on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2007. (Incumbent Rachel
Rivera is eligible for reappointment.) Vacant 

Mental Health Board Nominee shall be a consumer of mental health
services. Nomination for Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an
allocated 3 year term which commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire
on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held by Laura Barreras.)
Vacant 

Plumber Board of Examiners 
Appointee shall be a licensed plumbing contractor actively engaged in
the contracting business. Appointment is for a rotating 4 year term
which commenced on July 1, 2005. Authority to appoint will remain with
District 2 until term expiration on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position
formerly held by Joseph Salberg.) Vacant 

Public Authority for In-Home Supportive Services Advisory Board 
Nominee shall be a  representative of the registry for in-home
attendant services . Nomination for Board-as-a-Whole appointment is for
a 4 year term which commenced on July 1, 2006. Authority to nominate
will remain with District 2 until term expiration on June 30, 2010.
(Incumbent Alberta Williams is eligible for reappointment) Expired 

Santa Clara County/Hsinchu County, Taiwan, Republic of China,  Sister
County Commission Appointee shall have previously demonstrated interest
or participation in matters pertaining to the relationship between
China and the United States. Appointment is for an allocated 3 year
term which commenced on July 1, 2004 and will expire on June 30, 2007.
(Vacant position formerly held by William Briggs.) Vacant 

Santa Clara County/Province of Florence, Italy, Sister County
Commission Appointee shall have previously demonstrated an interest or
participation in matters pertaining to the relationship between Italy
and the United States. Appointment is for an allocated 3 year term
which commenced on July 1, 2004 and will expire on June 30, 2007.
(Vacant position formerly held by Timothy Kirsch) Vacant 

Senior Care Commission Appointee shall be a representative of the
Council on Aging. Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2003 and will remain with District 2 until term
expiration on June 30, 2006. (Vacant position formerly held by Mary
Tinker.) Vacant 

Senior Care Commission Appointee shall be a senior citizen representing
the public at large. Appointment is for an allocated 3 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2009. (Incumbent
Elissa Young is eligible for reappointment.) Expired Vacant or Expired 

Positions Allocated or Rotating to Supervisor McHugh Advisory 

Commission for Persons with Disabilities 
Appointee shall be selected from a list of three nominees submitted by
the Commission.  Appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2010. (Vacant
position formerly held by Eugenia Rosenblatt.) Vacant Code Enforcement
Board of Appeals Appointee shall be a representative of the plumbing or
mechanical trades and cannot be employed by the County of Santa Clara. 
Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced on July 1,
2005. Authority to appoint will remain with District 3 until term
expiration on June 30, 2008.  (Vacant position formerly held by Al
Smith.) Vacant 

Correctional Industries Advisory Board 
Nominee shall be a representative of adult education. Nomination for
Board As-a-Whole appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2005. Authority to nominate will remain with
District 3 until term expiration on June 30, 2008.  (Vacant position
formerly held by Chuck Perotti.) Vacant 

Coyote Flood Control and Watershed (East Zone) 
Appointee shall reside in the zone that they represent. Nomination for
Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 1 year term which
commenced on January 1, 2007 and will expire on December 31, 2007. 
(Incumbent Ray Maglalang is eligible for reappointment.) Expired 

Coyote Flood Control and Watershed (East Zone) 
Appointee shall reside in the zone that they represent. Nomination for
Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 1 year term which
commenced on January 1, 2007 and will expire on December 31, 2007. 
(Incumbent alternate Karl Sveinsson is eligible for reappointment.)
Expired 

Domestic Violence Council 
Appointee shall be a representative from a transitional housing
program. Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced on
July 1, 2004. Authority to appoint will remain with District 3 until
term expiration on June 30, 2007. (Vacant position formerly held by
Nancy Wilson.) Vacant 

Domestic Violence Council 
Appointee shall be a representative from research specialization.
Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced on July 1,
2006. Authority to appoint will remain with District 3 until term
expiration on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held by Robert
Dorsey.) Vacant Health Advisory Commission Appointee shall be a
representative from the community at large. Appointment is for an
allocated 4 year term which commenced on July 1, 2003 and will expire
on June 30, 2007. (Vacant position formerly held by Daryl Nguyen.)
Vacant 

National Guard and Veterans Affairs Commission 
Appointee shall be a representative of Supervisorial District 3.
Appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which commenced on July 1,
2006 and will expire on June 30, 2010. (Vacant position formerly held
by Florencio Andres.) Vacant 

Roads Commission Appointee shall represent the public at large.
Appointment is for a rotating 4 year term which commenced on July 1,
2005. Authority to appoint will remain with District 3 until term
expiration on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held by Miriam
Ayllon.) Vacant 

Senior Care Commission Appointee shall be a senior citizen representing
the public at large. Appointment is for an allocated 3 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2009. (Incumbent
Frederick Siemon is eligible for reappointment.) Expired 

Vacant or Expired Positions Allocated or Rotating to Supervisor Yeager 

Certification Appeals Board Nominee shall represent the public at
large. Nomination for Board-as-a-Whole appointment is for a 3 year term
which commenced on July 1, 2005. Authority to nominate will remain with
District 4 until term expiration on June 30, 2008. (Vacant position
formerly held by Jean Ernst.) Vacant 

Child Abuse Council Nominee shall represent a public agency and have
experience and background in the child abuse field. Nomination for
Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2010. (Vacant
position formerly held by Gayley Louie.) Vacant 

Commission on the Status of Women 
Appointee shall represent the public at large. Appointment is for an
allocated 3 year term which commenced on July 1, 2005 and will expire
on June 30, 2008. (Vacant position formerly held by Kathleen Cordova.)
Vacant 

Correctional Industries Advisory Board Nominee shall be a
representative of a Chamber of Commerce. Nomination for Board
As-a-Whole appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced on
July 1, 2005. Authority to nominate will remain with District 4 until
term expiration on June 30, 2008.  (Incumbent Sandra Moll is eligible
for reappointment) Expired 

Correctional Industries Advisory Board 
Nominee shall be a representative of Superior Court. Nomination for
Board As-a-Whole appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2005. Authority to nominate will remain with
District 4 until term expiration on June 30, 2008.  (Incumbent Paul
Cole is eligible for reappointment) 

Expired          Fairgrounds Management Corporation 

Appointee shall represent the public at large. Appointment is for an
allocated 1 year term which commenced on January 1, 2007 and will
expire on December 31, 2007. (Incumbent Jerry Strangis is eligible for
reappointment.)  Expired          


Historical Heritage Commission      
Appointee shall have previously demonstrated participation and interest
in matters relating to the historical and cultural heritage of Santa
Clara County. Appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2005 and will expire on June 30, 2009. (Vacant
position formerly held by Lorie Garcia)  Vacant 

Juvenile Hall Advisory Board 
Nominee shall be a representative from a community-based organization
that has developed a network or alliance with other service providers
with expertise in child development and family services. Nomination by
the Probation Department for Board-as-a-Whole appointment is for an
allocated 3 year term which commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire
on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held by Enrique Flores.)
Vacant 

Santa Clara County/Province of Florence, Italy, Sister County
Commission 
Appointee shall have previously demonstrated an interest or
participation in matters pertaining to the relationship between Italy
and the United States. Appointment is for an allocated 3 year term
which commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2009.
(Incumbent Genevieve Rolla is eligible for reappointment.) Vacant
Senior Care Commission Appointee shall be an advocate for seniors.
Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced on July 1,
2003 and will remain with District 2 until term expiration on June 30,
2006. (Vacant position formerly held by Eve Orton.) Vacant 

West Valley Flood Control and Watershed (North Central Zone) 
Appointee shall reside in the zone that they represent. Nomination for
Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 1 year term which
commenced on January 1, 2007 and will expire on December 31, 2007. 
(Vacant Alternate position formerly held by Mary Charles.) Vacant 

Vacant or Expired Positions Allocated or Rotating to Supervisor Kniss 

Advisory Commission for Persons with Disabilities 
Appointee shall be selected from a list of three nominees submitted by
the Commission.  Appointment is for an allocated 4 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2002 and will expire on June 30, 2006. (Vacant
position formerly held by Diana Nguyen.) Vacant 

Certification Appeals Board Nominee shall be a current member of the
Santa Clara County Bar Association. Nomination for Board-as-a-Whole
appointment is for a 3 year term which commenced on July 1, 2006.
Authority to nominate will remain with District 5 until term expiration
on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held by John Sullivan.)
Vacant Child Abuse Council Nominee shall represent the public at large
and have experience and background in the child abuse field. Nomination
for Board As-a-Whole appointment is for a rotating 4 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2006. Authority to  nominate will remain with
District 5 until term expiration on June 30, 2010. (Vacant position
formerly held by Sandra Day.) Vacant 

Consumer Affairs Advisory Commission 
Appointee shall be a representative of the public at large. Appointment
is for an allocated 3 year term which commenced on July 1, 2006 and
will expire on June 30, 2009.  (Vacant position formerly held by Dale
Osborn.) Vacant 

Council on Equal Employment Opportunities
Appointee shall be a representative of a Latino member organization.
Appointment is for a rotating 4 year term which commenced on July 1,
2005. Authority to appoint will remain with District 5 until term
expiration on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held by Yvette
Galindo.) Vacant 

Council on Equal Employment Opportunities 
Appointee shall be a representative of an African-American
organization. Appointment is for a rotating 4 year term which commenced
on July 1, 2003. Authority to nominate will remain with District 5
until term expiration on June 30, 2007. (Vacant position formerly held
by Gale Simmons.) Vacant 

Council on Equal Employment Opportunities 
Appointee shall be a representative from Service Emplouee International
Union, Local 715. Appointment is for a rotating 4 year term which
commenced on July 1, 2004. Authority to nominate will remain with
District 5 until term expiration on June 30, 2008. (Vacant position
formerly held by Nicholas Steinmeier.) Vacant 

Council on Equal Employment Opportunities 
Appointee shall be a representative from the Social Services Union,
Local 535. Appointment is for a rotating 4 year term which commenced on
July 1, 2006. Authority to nominate will remain with District 5 until
term expiration on June 30, 2010. (Vacant position formerly held by
Kaden Kratzer.) Vacant 

Domestic Violence Council 
Appointee shall be a representative from a battered women?s shelter.
Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced on July 1,
2004. Authority to appoint will remain with District 5 until term
expiration on June 30, 2007. (Vacant position formerly held by Paula
Keane.) Vacant 

Domestic Violence Council 
Appointee shall be a representative from the family law bar.
Appointment is for a rotating 3 year term which commenced on July 1,
2004. Authority to appoint will remain with District 5 until term
expiration on June 30, 2007. (Vacant position formerly held by Susan
Rothschild.) Vacant Mental Health Board Nominee shall have experience
and knowledge in the mental health system. Nomination for Board
As-a-Whole appointment is for an allocated 3 year term which commenced
on July 1, 2006 and will expire on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position
formerly held by Martin Gorfinkel.) Vacant 

Mental Health Board 
Nominee shall be a family member of a consumer of mental health
services. Nomination for Board As-a-Whole appointment is for an
allocated 3 year term which commenced on July 1, 2006 and will expire
on June 30, 2009. (Vacant position formerly held by Navah Statman.)
Vacant 

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 01:08:39 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:08:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peace & Sustainability Bike ride coming thru
	San Jose, we need hosts!
In-Reply-To: <45F7FCB9.1070003@charter.net>
Message-ID: <760790.79598.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com>

Sounds like a good idea to me. 

Note: We are also planning to support the Impeachment Boycott from Tax
Day to Earth Day (Ap 15-22).

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:
> > /Hi All,
> >
> > A friend sent me this information. Sounds like a great action for
> us 
> > to support. This could be our April event. What does everyone
> think?
> >
> > This is the link to their website./
> > http://www.emissariesofhope.org
> >
> > /Merriam/
> Merriam, and all...
> 
> There are two things which converge here, and which also do not 
> necessarily support each other directly.
> 
> The schedule for the Emissaries of Hope puts them in San Jose on
> April 
> 21, 22. with a planned discussion at that time. April 22 is Earth
> Day.
> 
> This project involves bicycle riding while Earth Day 2007 is a "Call
> to 
> Action on Climate Change". The focus of the Emissaries of Hope is on
> the 
> idea of a "Sustainable Community" but their actions are aimed more at
> 
> changing the way that people relate to each other.
> 
> If the GPSCC wants to become the local host for the Emissaries of
> Hope, 
> then there is an implied commitment to providing a venue for their 
> discussion... room and support for 20 people for 2 days. That is not
> a 
> trivial task and a decisions would have to be made quickly. However,
> if 
> all we are doing is to publicize the action for members to decide to 
> participate on their own, then maybe we have already done that.
> 
> On the other hand, there is no currently planned "event" from the
> GPSCC 
> for Earth Day.... though an organized bike ride might make sense.
> There 
> are several possible scenarios for this type of event. One would be a
> 
> riide through Coyote Valley that would call attention to the City of
> San 
> Jose Specific Plan to develop the valley. (50 K jobs and 80 k 
> residents). Another might focus on toxic cleanup surrounding Moffet 
> Field. Another might focus on the Santa Clara Valley Water District 
> plans to log redwoods in the Santa Cruz Mtns. above Los Gatos, though
> 
> that would be a much more strenuous ride.
> 
> Something to think about, anyway.
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 01:11:24 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:11:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] THE PEOPLE V. RICHARD CHENEY
Message-ID: <91526.40636.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

THE PEOPLE V. RICHARD CHENEY
Date:	 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:35:33 -0500
 
http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_5402
Gentlemen's Quarterly
March 2007
THE PEOPLE V. RICHARD CHENEY
Resolved, that Richard B. Cheney, vice president of the United States,
should be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that these
articles of impeachment be submitted to the American people
GQ, March 2007
When the Founding Fathers crafted the U.S. Constitution, they wanted to
be sure that the 
president, vice president, and other ranking officials could be evicted
more easily than the British monarchy. To ensure that the process would
be swift and certain, they made it simple: Only two conditions must be
met. First, a majority of the House of Representatives must agree on a
set of charges; then, two-thirds of the Senate must agree to convict.
After that, there is no legal wrangling, no appeal to a higher
authority, no reversal on technical grounds. There is not even a limit
on what the charges may be. As the Constitution describes it, the cause
may be "treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors," but
even these were left deliberately vague; as Gerald Ford once pointed
out while still serving in the House of Representatives, the only real
definition of an "impeachable offense" is "whatever a majority of the
House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in
history."

To the credit of this nation, despite the relative ease of impeachment,
only seventeen officials 
have sunk to such ignominious depths that the process has been invoked.
The reasons for impeachment have ranged from the outrageous to the
banal: from putting political enemies in jail (Judge James H. Peck,
1830) to cheating on taxes (Judge Harry E. Claiborne, 1986); from being
rude to Congress ("unmindful of the harmony and courtesies which ought
to exist and be maintained between the executive and legislative
branches," President Andrew Johnson, 1868) to being a drunkard ("a man
of loose morals and intemperate habits," Judge John Pickering, 1803).
One president was even impeached for having the good taste to keep his
sex life private (concealing "the nature and details of his
relationship with a subordinate Government employee," President William
Jefferson Clinton, 1998). 

<SNIP>

But none of these apply to Vice President Cheney, and not only because
it was Cheney (and not God, or George W. Bush, or anybody else) who
selected himself as vice president back in 2000. With Cheney, there are
also no lingering questions about capacity, motive, or malice. Over the
past six years, as the country has spiraled into military misadventure,
fiscal madness, and environmental meltdown, the vice president has not
merely been wrong about the issues; he has been duplicitous, deceitful,
and deliberately destructive to the American democracy. These things
can no longer be denied by rational minds.

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 01:23:11 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:23:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <45F8B785.8080908@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com>

Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers for
discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and after
the event, how about?

Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you like to
lead a group at 6:45???

Andie when do you want to lead a group?

Roy when do you want to lead a group?

 I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me sometime
on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
with me.

Others???

Impeach for Peace!

Drew 


--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
> 
> Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
> 
> I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I 
> definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> -- 
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> one 
> proposed by the corporate media and government, 9/11 being a perfect 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 01:30:02 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Republican says Gonzales should be fired
Message-ID: <463064.40650.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>

Naysayers on the impeachment issue please get this:  I've been pointing
out for a LONG time that just as it was the Nixon it will be the
Republicans that in the end come to Bush/Cheney and pressure them to
resign.  The Republicans want to have a *chance* to win future
elections and are so embarrassed as we approach the nearing Tipping
Point that they will do the work for us.  We just have to apply the
pressure to the Dems to get the process started and they'll take care
of the rest.  Witness the example below...

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070315/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gonzales_prosecutors

Republican says Gonzales should be fired
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer 32 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - A Senate Republican is calling for Attorney General
Alberto Gonzales' dismissal as Democrats weigh subpoenaing President
Bush's top aides in the escalating political furor over the firing of
eight federal prosecutors.

Sen. John Sununu (news, bio, voting record) of New Hampshire, a
longtime Bush administration critic facing a tough re-election
campaign, called for Gonzales' ouster Wednesday just hours after Bush
expressed confidence in the attorney general, who is a longtime friend.

"I think the president should replace him," Sununu said in an
interview. "I think the attorney general should be fired."

Although some Republicans have been tepid in their support for the
attorney general, Sununu was the first to go so far in the wake of an
uproar over the Justice Department's firing of the attorneys and its
response to congressional questions, plus a separate report that the
administration abused its power to secretly investigate suspected
terrorists.

The White House issued a curt response to Sununu's remarks.

"We're disappointed, obviously," White House spokesman Tony Snow said.
A Justice Department spokeswoman refused to comment.

Speaking to reporters in Mexico before returning to Washington, Bush
expressed confidence in Gonzales and defended the firings. "What Al did
and what the Justice Department did was appropriate," the president
said.

Still, Bush left himself room to sack the attorney general.

"What was mishandled was the explanation of the cases to the Congress,"
Bush said. "And Al's got work to do up there."

Gonzales, expected to meet with lawmakers this week, has been fending
off Democratic demands that he resign over the ousters of eight U.S.
attorneys ? dismissals Democrats have characterized as a politically
motivated purge.

"We want Congress to know, to understand what happened here," Gonzales
said. "We'll work it out."

The Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday was considering subpoenas
for presidential political adviser Karl Rove, former White House
Counsel Harriet Miers and deputy White House counsel William Kelley,
all of whom exchanged e-mails for two years with the Justice Department
about the firings, according to documents made public this week.

The panel also was considering compelling the testimony of five of
Gonzales' aides, even though the attorney general has pledged to let
the officials speak with the committee.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., told reporters after the meeting with
presidential counsel Fred Fielding on Wednesday that Fielding promised
a yes-or-no answer by Friday.

"He said it was his goal to get us both the documents and the witnesses
that we seek to question," Schumer said. The White House was expected
to seek some conditions, but Fielding "said his intention was not to
stonewall," Schumer added.

Sununu long has been a critic of what he has said was the White House's
disregard for civil liberties in its war on terrorism and played a
large part in forcing the administration to accept new curbs on its
power during the reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act last year.

He said his confidence in Gonzales had been shattered by the firings of
the prosecutors and by a report Friday by the Justice Department's
inspector general criticizing the administration's use of secret
national security letters to obtain personal records in terrorism
probes.

"We need to have a strong, credible attorney general that has the
confidence of Congress and the American people," Sununu said. "Alberto
Gonzales can't fill that role."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev.,
predicted Wednesday that Gonzales would soon be out.

"I think he is gone. I don't think he'll last long," Reid said in an
interview with Nevada reporters. Asked how long, Reid responded:
"Days."

Republicans came to Gonzales' defense.

"I don't believe the attorney general should resign over this," said
Sen. Judd Gregg (news, bio, voting record), R-N.H. "I don't believe his
ability to pursue the terrorist threat has been compromised to the
extent that he should resign."

Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., who is running
for his party's presidential nomination, agreed.

"(Gonzales) steadfastly maintains that he's done nothing wrong, so let
him make his case," McCain said.

Some of the dismissed prosecutors complained at hearings last week that
lawmakers tried to influence political corruption investigations.
Several also said there had been Justice Department attempts to
intimidate them.

E-mails between the Justice Department and the White House, released
Tuesday, contradicted the administration's earlier contention that
Bush's aides had only limited involvement in the firings.

U.S. attorneys are the federal government's prosecutors and serve at
the pleasure of the president. They can be hired or fired for any
reason, or none at all.

Senior Justice Department officials said Wednesday they considered for
several years ways to fill vacant prosecutors' jobs without judicial
meddling. They said they never intended to bypass the Senate
confirmation process when the department pushed to change the renewed
Patriot Act in 2006.

Instead, they said they sought to erase what Associate Deputy Attorney
General William Moschella called a "constitutional anomaly" that let
federal judges appoint interim U.S. attorneys in jobs that were vacant
for more than 120 days.

"There's a conspiracy theory about this and it's nothing other than
that," Moschella said in an interview Wednesday.

Moschella was one of several senior Justice Department officials who
testified to Congress about the firings. It was disclosed later that he
gave lawmakers misleading information.

Moschella declined to comment on that during the interview.

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 01:33:00 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:33:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tabling at San Jose Stop The War Rally &
	March Saturday
In-Reply-To: <cf0.ba7e7cf.332a3b41@aol.com>
Message-ID: <361179.50627.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm willing and I'll be there.  I need some support (ie. its awful hard
to get an actual table on a bike -- I know I'm amazing, but there *are*
limits. ;-)  ).  I'll need literature and a table and preferably the
buttons (and someone else better at making buttons than I am -- I'm
plenty willing to work on my technique, but I'm just not quite there
yet.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> At our last business meeting we agreed we would set up a table at the
> corner 
> of Stevens Creek & Winchester during the Saturday (this Saturday)
> Stop The War 
> Demonstration.
> 
> Are we still doing that?  Who will be there?  The Demonstration will
> be from 
> 12:30 -
> 2:00pm.
> 
> I'll be there, I'm one of the 10 SBM march monitors and will be
> helping keep 
> the flow of the marchers staedy and safe.
> 
> The Rally is at the Fred Santana Park (near the end of Monroe at the
> corner 
> of Tisch)
> from 11:30am - Noon.  At noon everyone will start the march to Monroe
> & 
> Stevens Creek and then march on Stevens Creek to Winchester.
> 
> We need a table.  If I remember correctly, Tim Alavarado said he
> would bring 
> a card table and help with the tabling.
> 
> Merriam
> 
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 01:38:03 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] De Anza Greens Have Begun
In-Reply-To: <45F728CA.1050806@charter.net>
Message-ID: <149125.54386.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Wes, Andie and all,

Actually we would be the first club that is connected to a party.  The
Duopoly is lethargic and doesn't bother.  There are other politically
related groups, but we are the only one involved with electoral
politics.  Some of the others are into 'street' actions and could be
good to invite.

Great ideas Andie!  It will take a little bit before the group rolls,
so please be patient.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew
--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> Andrea Dorey wrote:
> > Can you keep us in the loop about their activities?  I'd like to  
> > support that.
> > We might be able to do an interview on BET TV show.
> > In fact, I'd love to do a panel with 1) the two Majors and the GP  
> > student groups at DeAnza, or 2) any and all third party student  
> > groups at DeAnza.
> > What do you all think:  good idea?  bad?
> > Andrea
> I think that it is a great idea. But, it's success all depends on who
> 
> represents each party and how articulate they are.
> 
> For example, when I went to a small college (Redlands) many years
> ago, 
> we had a great debate team, one of the best in the nation. Of course,
> 
> one of the members of that team ended up Deputy Assistant Secretary
> of 
> Health, Education and Welfare; and a former Director of Congressional
> 
> Relations at the U.S. Department of Transportation while another
> ended 
> up as Press Secretary for the State Department.
> 
> You would not have wanted to be going up against either.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
> 
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar 15 06:34:47 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:34:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>

Hi Drew

As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my  
impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some  
place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the what  
not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist at  
heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the  
events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,  
Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea  
contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done is  
see if any others contribute their time and interest.

On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one  
choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't want  
the last show because it's just later than I like to start things.

Peace

Duende

On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers  
> for
> discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and after
> the event, how about?
>
> Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you like to
> lead a group at 6:45???
>
> Andie when do you want to lead a group?
>
> Roy when do you want to lead a group?
>
>  I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me sometime
> on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
> with me.
>
> Others???
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
>
> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>
>> Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
>>
>> Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
>>
>> I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I
>> definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> Duende
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ___________________________________
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>> one
>> proposed by the corporate media and government, 9/11 being a perfect
>> example.
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From cbrouillet at igc.org  Thu Mar 15 11:25:08 2007
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:25:08 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Front page photo!
Message-ID: <E1HRudP-0002VQ-TD@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


    Hey, I just found out that we made the cover of the Palo Alto 
Daily News!!!! I posted the scan at 
http://www.communitycurrency.org/impeach.html
In case you can't read the text under the Feet on the streets heading 
- it reads:

Activists rallied at Lytton Plaza in Palo Alto Wednesday afternoon to 
voice their dissatisfaction with current government policies and to 
demand that Congress impeach both President Bush and Vice President 
Dick Cheney. After the rally, they marched, led by Carol Brouillet, 
to Congresswoman Anna Eshoo's office where they presented their 
demands. This Saturday's anti-war protest at Lytton Plaza at noon is 
part of a nationwide campaign that is expected to draw thousands.

    That should help swell the numbers at Saturday's rally!!!!  We're 
going to bring our 12' by 8' Commission Report (with holes that we 
used at the SF Tea Party - see 
http://www.communitycurrency.org/sfteaparty.html- we got great tv 
coverage on that action.)  to the Palo Alto and SF Rallies this weekend.


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 15 14:50:41 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:50:41 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com>
	<C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net>


I only know of Andrea, Drew, Roy, and myself.

This is turning out to be a busy weekend.

At this point I don't when is a good time for me.

I feel the same way as Roy about leading a group.

Gerry


Duende wrote:

> Hi Drew
> 
> As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my  
> impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some  
> place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the what  
> not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist at  
> heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the  
> events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,  
> Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea  
> contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done is  
> see if any others contribute their time and interest.
> 
> On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one  
> choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't want  
> the last show because it's just later than I like to start things.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> 
>>Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers  
>>for
>>discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and after
>>the event, how about?
>>
>>Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you like to
>>lead a group at 6:45???
>>
>>Andie when do you want to lead a group?
>>
>>Roy when do you want to lead a group?
>>
>> I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me sometime
>>on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
>>with me.
>>
>>Others???
>>
>>Impeach for Peace!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>
>>--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
>>>
>>>Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
>>>
>>>I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I
>>>definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
>>>
>>>Peace
>>>
>>>Duende
>>>




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 15 14:58:22 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:58:22 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Gonzales must go
References: <45F82C20.1030006@charter.net> <45F8B2BB.2010600@earthlink.net>
	<45F996EC.2030101@charter.net>
Message-ID: <45F9C17E.4030803@earthlink.net>


Here's another way to say "Gonzalez must go".

The PFAW is collecting "signatures" for a petition
to Congress:

     http://www.pfaw.org/go/GonzalesMustGo

Gerry





From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Mar 15 14:22:21 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:22:21 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Florida again?
Message-ID: <45F9B90D.8040409@charter.net>

When Gerry pointed to the Gonzales Must Go action at the PFAW site, I 
took advantage of that.  Then, I looked around some more and found this 
new update to the Florida Dist. 13 election.

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=23719

It just goes to show how many lies will be told to cover up what can 
never be covered up.  And, they were not even very adept at lying.  
Maybe they should take a lesson from Karl Rove.  Just as in the Scooter 
Libby trial, it is the coverup that will get you.

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com




From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 15:20:09 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:20:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <140382.98878.qm@web52201.mail.yahoo.com>

Sounds good to me!  Together y'all could lead a discussion.  Did
someone want to do a little flyer that could be handed out before/after
to invite others to be a part of the little GPSCC discussion we have
started up here?  A nice little invite to others is a great and gentle
way to be inclusive and expand the GPSCC.  As I said I can't make it
Friday night, but maybe others would join me on Saturday sometime???

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> I only know of Andrea, Drew, Roy, and myself.
> 
> This is turning out to be a busy weekend.
> 
> At this point I don't when is a good time for me.
> 
> I feel the same way as Roy about leading a group.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> Duende wrote:
> 
> > Hi Drew
> > 
> > As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my  
> > impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some  
> > place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the what
> > not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist at
> > heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the  
> > events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,  
> > Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea  
> > contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done is
> > see if any others contribute their time and interest.
> > 
> > On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one  
> > choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't
> want  
> > the last show because it's just later than I like to start things.
> > 
> > Peace
> > 
> > Duende
> > 
> > On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers
>  
> >>for
> >>discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and
> after
> >>the event, how about?
> >>
> >>Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you like
> to
> >>lead a group at 6:45???
> >>
> >>Andie when do you want to lead a group?
> >>
> >>Roy when do you want to lead a group?
> >>
> >> I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me
> sometime
> >>on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
> >>with me.
> >>
> >>Others???
> >>
> >>Impeach for Peace!
> >>
> >>Drew
> >>
> >>
> >>--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
> >>>
> >>>Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
> >>>
> >>>I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I
> >>>definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
> >>>
> >>>Peace
> >>>
> >>>Duende
> >>>
> 
> 
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Thu Mar 15 16:20:33 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:20:33 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>
	45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com><C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>
	45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net
Message-ID: <45F9D4C1.9090701@ispwest.com>

For me it's looking like Tuesday or Wednesday or something like that...

Gerry Gras wrote:

>I only know of Andrea, Drew, Roy, and myself.
>
>This is turning out to be a busy weekend.
>
>At this point I don't when is a good time for me.
>
>I feel the same way as Roy about leading a group.
>
>Gerry
>
>
>Duende wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Drew
>>
>>As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my  
>>impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some  
>>place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the what  
>>not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist at  
>>heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the  
>>events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,  
>>Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea  
>>contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done is  
>>see if any others contribute their time and interest.
>>
>>On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one  
>>choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't want  
>>the last show because it's just later than I like to start things.
>>
>>Peace
>>
>>Duende
>>
>>On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers  
>>>for
>>>discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and after
>>>the event, how about?
>>>
>>>Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you like to
>>>lead a group at 6:45???
>>>
>>>Andie when do you want to lead a group?
>>>
>>>Roy when do you want to lead a group?
>>>
>>>I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me sometime
>>>on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
>>>with me.
>>>
>>>Others???
>>>
>>>Impeach for Peace!
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
>>>>
>>>>Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
>>>>
>>>>I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I
>>>>definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
>>>>
>>>>Peace
>>>>
>>>>Duende
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Thu Mar 15 16:39:55 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:39:55 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Florida again?
References: 45F9B90D.8040409@charter.net
Message-ID: <45F9D94B.4060509@ispwest.com>

Wes Rolley wrote:

>When Gerry pointed to the Gonzales Must Go action at the PFAW site, 
>I took advantage of that.  Then, I looked around some more and 
>found this new update to the Florida Dist. 13 election.
>
>http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=23719
>
>It just goes to show how many lies will be told to cover up what can 
>never be covered up.  And, they were not even very adept at lying.  
>Maybe they should take a lesson from Karl Rove.  Just as in the 
>Scooter Libby trial, it is the coverup that will get you.
>  
>
I remember being in Florida during the 2000 recount.
It was something to have expected to be talking about
what the election over Thanksgiving turkey and instead
to be spending way too much time watching the play by play
on the recount on cable TV.

Anyhow, I have family that likes being in Florida 4 Thanksgiving,
so we went there again last year. This time I took a picture
of the Florida State Seal. You can see it at:

http://tian.greens.org/Thanksgiving/2006/Exception.shtml

Please notice that nothing on that page has anything to do
with the greenback. The picture was taken on private property,
but we were paying rent on the space at the time, so it was okay.

If it was up to me, I'd never go back to that state again!

-- 
Tian
We got great coverage for our protest in Los Gatos Saturday:
http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php?article_id=0226



From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Thu Mar 15 22:12:10 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:12:10 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: (MoveOn says) Rep. Honda gets it right on
	Iraq
Message-ID: <d31.63c6dff.332b812a@aol.com>

Drew, As far as I'm concerned Mike Honda is not to be trusted.  MoveOn has 
got it all wrong !  Honda gets it wrong on Iraq, not right on Iraq!  Doug 
Mackenzie sent the following to our South Bay Occupation Project members regarding 
Honda. Also we can't trust what MoveOn says either.

Drew, you are right, Honda is still chopped liver in my book also.

Merriam

On March 15 (Doug MacKenzie) ddmackenzie at gmail.com wrote:

today, Mike Honda (CA-15) voted in favor of referring the Supplemental 
Appropriations bill funding the wars of aggression and occupation of Iraq and 
Afghanistan and the so-called Global War on Terror out of the Appropriations 
Committee - Honda was recently appointed to the Appropriations Committee by his 
handler, Nancy Pelosi 
?
the details of the Appropriations Committee meeting are sketchy (as is the 
USA government in general) but we found the following in an article in the times
?
"In the House, the Appropriations Committee advanced the $124 billion Iraq 
spending legislation, with Representative Barbara Lee of California being the 
lone Democratic vote against it. She argued it did not go far enough to end the 
war and remove troops from Iraq. Democrats sought to fight back charges that 
the legislation was meddling in the management of the war." 
?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/washington/15cnd-cong.html?hp
?
we stopped by Honda's Campbell office and asked Meri Maben (Honda's district 
chief of staff) about why the restriction on attaching Iran was taken out of 
the bill - she told us that the Israeli lobby is very strong (no shit!) and the 
democrats had to do it to keep the party together 
?
so much for Mike "I'm against the Iraq war" Honda and his empty 
pronouncements
?
in solidarity,
doug
for the sbop


jamboi at yahoo.com wrote:

?Hmm... Merriam what do you think about this??? As far I'm concerned he
hasn't started the impeachment hearings OR AS FAR AS I KNOW EVEN
REPLIED TO OUR VALENTINES IMPEACH FOR THE LOVE OF AMERICA INVITE!!!? So
he's still chopped liver in my book.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- "Nita Chaudhary, MoveOn.org Political Action"
<moveon-help at list.moveon.org> wrote:

> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:01:07 -0700
> From: "Nita Chaudhary, MoveOn.org Political Action"
> <moveon-help at list.moveon.org>
> To: "Drew Johnson" <jamboi at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Rep. Honda gets it right on Iraq
> 
> Dear MoveOn member,
> 
> The Democratic leadership has announced its plan for getting out of
> Iraq,
> and according to early news reports it may not go far enough on a
> couple
> of key provisions.
> 
> Progressives in Congress are standing strong--pushing for a swift,
> responsible exit that brings the troops home by the end of 2007. But
> Dick
> Cheney and the Republicans are on an all-out assault--saying that
> Democrats are "undermining the troops" by trying to end the war.1 And
> some Democrats in the middle are wavering.
> 
> Your representative, Rep. Honda has been leading the way to get us
> out of Iraq
> quickly and safely and he could really use your support right now.
> Can
> you click below to thank Rep. Honda and tell him to continue to push
> the
> leadership to bring our troops home by the end of this year?
> 
> http://pol.moveon.org/progressivehouse/?id=10008-1545797-e7PJLh&t=2
> 
> Voters elected Democrats in November to end the war. And new polling
> shows
> that 58% of Americans want us out of Iraq by 2008 or sooner.2
> Congress
> can make that happen, and your representative is on the hunt, but
> some
> representatives are afraid.
> 
> They're nervous about taking any measures to end the war. It's a
> political
> calculation--they don't want to "own" the war, they want it to be
> Bush's
> problem. That's a failure of leadership: How do you tell our troops
> that
> they're being asked to fight and die because Democrats don't want to
> "own"
> the war?
> 
> The truth is Congress will be responsible for the war only if they do
> nothing to stop it.
> 
> The details of the plan are being hammered out in the next few days,
> so
> your note today could matter a lot. It just takes a few minutes, but
> if we
> all push together, we can take a big step toward ending the war.
> 
> Thanks for all you do,
> 
> --Nita, Eli, Karin, Joan and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
>?? Wednesday, March 14th, 2007
> 
> Sources:
> 
> 1. "Opposition Undercuts Troops, Cheney Says of Spending Bill," New
> York
> Times, March 13, 2007
> http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2419&id=10008-1545797-e7PJLh&t=3
> 
> 2. "Poll: 58 percent want Iraq withdrawal by 2008 or sooner,"
> CNN.com,
> March 13, 2007
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/13/iraq.poll/
> 
>? 
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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 00:18:27 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:18:27 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Front page photo!
Message-ID: <cf2.bbe64b6.332b9ec3@aol.com>

Hi Carol,

This is great!!!  Thank you so very much for putting on the Impeachment Rally 
and March.

Merriam

cbrouillet at igc.org wrote:

?? Hey, I just found out that we made the cover of the Palo Alto Daily 
News!!!! I posted the scan at http://www.communitycurrency.org/impeach.html
In case you can't read the text under the Feet on the streets heading - it 
reads:

Activists rallied at Lytton Plaza in Palo Alto Wednesday afternoon to voice 
their dissatisfaction with current government policies and to demand that 
Congress impeach both President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. After the 
rally, they marched, led by Carol Brouillet, to Congresswoman Anna Eshoo's office 
where they presented their demands. This Saturday's anti-war protest at Lytton 
Plaza at noon is part of a nationwide campaign that is expected to draw 
thousands.

?? That should help swell the numbers at Saturday's rally!!!!? We're going to 
bring our 12' by 8' Commission Report (with holes that we used at the SF Tea 
Party - see http://www.communitycurrency.org/sfteaparty.html- we got great tv 
coverage on that action.)? to the Palo Alto and SF Rallies this weekend.

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From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Mar 16 08:37:29 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:37:29 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Mike Honda
Message-ID: <45FAB9B9.9090602@charter.net>

As someone who lived in Mike Honda's district when he was a County 
Supervisor, I have known that he will always be counted on to do that 
which is politically expedient.   His was an office hard to contact and 
do business with unless you had a lot of money to contribute.

No surprises here.

If we want to start changing the culture of American Politics, we should 
pay attention to County Supervisors.  In fact, we should listen to Art 
Goodtimes <http://www.greens.org/colorado/goodart.html>, Green Party, 
now serving his 3rd term as Commissioner in San Miguel County, 
Colorado.  He continues to win re-election, even as a weird, 
long-haired, hippy poet, because he "listens to the people" and finds 
Green solutions to what they need.


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From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Mar 16 10:15:15 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:15:15 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>	45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com><C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>	45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net
Message-ID: <45FAD0A3.1040907@freeshell.org>

Where can one find where and what days and times 'An Unreasonable Man" 
will be showing?  Lois and I are certainly planning to go.  If it's 
showing Tuesday, that's my choice.

Fred

For me it's looking like Tuesday or Wednesday or something like that...

Gerry Gras wrote:

>I only know of Andrea, Drew, Roy, and myself.
>
>This is turning out to be a busy weekend.
>
>At this point I don't when is a good time for me.
>
>I feel the same way as Roy about leading a group.
>
>Gerry
>
>
>Duende wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Drew
>>
>>As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my  
>>impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some  
>>place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the what  
>>not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist at  
>>heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the  
>>events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,  
>>Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea  
>>contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done is  
>>see if any others contribute their time and interest.
>>
>>On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one  
>>choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't want  
>>the last show because it's just later than I like to start things.
>>
>>Peace
>>
>>Duende
>>
>>On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers  
>>>for
>>>discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and after
>>>the event, how about?
>>>
>>>Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you like to
>>>lead a group at 6:45???
>>>
>>>Andie when do you want to lead a group?
>>>
>>>Roy when do you want to lead a group?
>>>
>>>I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me sometime
>>>on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
>>>with me.
>>>
>>>Others???
>>>
>>>Impeach for Peace!
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>
>>>--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
>>>>
>>>>Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
>>>>
>>>>I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I
>>>>definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
>>>>
>>>>Peace
>>>>
>>>>Duende
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar 16 10:35:13 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:35:13 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <45FAD0A3.1040907@freeshell.org>
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com><C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>	45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net
	<45FAD0A3.1040907@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <E68DC6AC-FD9A-4189-A36B-41383AF9DDB3@duendevision.com>

Hi Fred

It's playing at Camera 12 in San Jose and the times I posted are it.

<http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi? 
cmd=dm&m=13-11-05-3-2-2007-3136>

Peace

Roy

AKA Duende :-)

On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Fred Duperrault wrote:

> Where can one find where and what days and times 'An Unreasonable Man"
> will be showing?  Lois and I are certainly planning to go.  If it's
> showing Tuesday, that's my choice.
>
> Fred
>
> For me it's looking like Tuesday or Wednesday or something like  
> that...
>
> Gerry Gras wrote:
>
>> I only know of Andrea, Drew, Roy, and myself.
>>
>> This is turning out to be a busy weekend.
>>
>> At this point I don't when is a good time for me.
>>
>> I feel the same way as Roy about leading a group.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>> Duende wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Drew
>>>
>>> As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my
>>> impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some
>>> place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the what
>>> not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist at
>>> heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the
>>> events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,
>>> Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea
>>> contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done is
>>> see if any others contribute their time and interest.
>>>
>>> On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one
>>> choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't want
>>> the last show because it's just later than I like to start things.
>>>
>>> Peace
>>>
>>> Duende
>>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers
>>>> for
>>>> discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and  
>>>> after
>>>> the event, how about?
>>>>
>>>> Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you  
>>>> like to
>>>> lead a group at 6:45???
>>>>
>>>> Andie when do you want to lead a group?
>>>>
>>>> Roy when do you want to lead a group?
>>>>
>>>> I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me  
>>>> sometime
>>>> on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
>>>> with me.
>>>>
>>>> Others???
>>>>
>>>> Impeach for Peace!
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
>>>>>
>>>>> Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I
>>>>> definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace
>>>>>
>>>>> Duende
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Tian
> We got great coverage for our protest in Los Gatos Saturday:
> http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php?article_id=0226
>
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 16 10:51:47 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:51:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <E68DC6AC-FD9A-4189-A36B-41383AF9DDB3@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <811073.24770.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

Those times (down at the bottom of the e-mail that Roy sent) are again:
Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> Hi Fred
> 
> It's playing at Camera 12 in San Jose and the times I posted are it.
> 
> <http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi? 
> cmd=dm&m=13-11-05-3-2-2007-3136>
> 
> Peace
> 
> Roy
> 
> AKA Duende :-)
> 
> On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Fred Duperrault wrote:
> 
> > Where can one find where and what days and times 'An Unreasonable
> Man"
> > will be showing?  Lois and I are certainly planning to go.  If it's
> > showing Tuesday, that's my choice.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > For me it's looking like Tuesday or Wednesday or something like  
> > that...
> >
> > Gerry Gras wrote:
> >
> >> I only know of Andrea, Drew, Roy, and myself.
> >>
> >> This is turning out to be a busy weekend.
> >>
> >> At this point I don't when is a good time for me.
> >>
> >> I feel the same way as Roy about leading a group.
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >>
> >> Duende wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Drew
> >>>
> >>> As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my
> >>> impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some
> >>> place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the
> what
> >>> not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist
> at
> >>> heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the
> >>> events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,
> >>> Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea
> >>> contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done
> is
> >>> see if any others contribute their time and interest.
> >>>
> >>> On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one
> >>> choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't
> want
> >>> the last show because it's just later than I like to start
> things.
> >>>
> >>> Peace
> >>>
> >>> Duende
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make
> flyers
> >>>> for
> >>>> discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and
>  
> >>>> after
> >>>> the event, how about?
> >>>>
> >>>> Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you  
> >>>> like to
> >>>> lead a group at 6:45???
> >>>>
> >>>> Andie when do you want to lead a group?
> >>>>
> >>>> Roy when do you want to lead a group?
> >>>>
> >>>> I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me  
> >>>> sometime
> >>>> on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to
> come
> >>>> with me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Others???
> >>>>
> >>>> Impeach for Peace!
> >>>>
> >>>> Drew
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45.
> I
> >>>>> definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peace
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Duende
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Tian
> > We got great coverage for our protest in Los Gatos Saturday:
> > http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php?article_id=0226
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> ____________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Mar 16 11:05:28 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:05:28 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <45FAD0A3.1040907@freeshell.org>
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com><C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>	45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net
	<45FAD0A3.1040907@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <45FADC68.3090302@freeshell.org>

Thanks, Roy.

Will the film be shown beyond the weekend?

If so, how far?  The website is very vague about what days it will be shown.

Fred

Hi Fred

It's playing at Camera 12 in San Jose and the times I posted are it.

<http://www.cameracinemas.com/cgi-bin/movies.cgi?
cmd=dm&m=13-11-05-3-2-2007-3136>

Peace

Roy

AKA Duende :-)

On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Fred Duperrault wrote:

> Where can one find where and what days and times 'An Unreasonable Man"
> will be showing?  Lois and I are certainly planning to go.  If it's
> showing Tuesday, that's my choice.
>
> Fred
>
> For me it's looking like Tuesday or Wednesday or something like  
> that...
>
> Gerry Gras wrote:
>
>> I only know of Andrea, Drew, Roy, and myself.
>>
>> This is turning out to be a busy weekend.
>>
>> At this point I don't when is a good time for me.
>>
>> I feel the same way as Roy about leading a group.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>> Duende wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Drew
>>>
>>> As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my
>>> impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some
>>> place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the what
>>> not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist at
>>> heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the
>>> events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,
>>> Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea
>>> contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done is
>>> see if any others contribute their time and interest.
>>>
>>> On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one
>>> choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't want
>>> the last show because it's just later than I like to start things.
>>>
>>> Peace
>>>
>>> Duende
>>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers
>>>> for
>>>> discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and  
>>>> after
>>>> the event, how about?
>>>>
>>>> Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you  
>>>> like to
>>>> lead a group at 6:45???
>>>>
>>>> Andie when do you want to lead a group?
>>>>
>>>> Roy when do you want to lead a group?
>>>>
>>>> I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me  
>>>> sometime
>>>> on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
>>>> with me.
>>>>
>>>> Others???
>>>>
>>>> Impeach for Peace!
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
>>>>>
>>>>> Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I
>>>>> definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace
>>>>>
>>>>> Duende
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Tian
> We got great coverage for our protest in Los Gatos Saturday:
> http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php?article_id=0226
>
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Fri Mar 16 11:19:49 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:19:49 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <45FADC68.3090302@freeshell.org>
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com><C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>	45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net
	<45FAD0A3.1040907@freeshell.org> <45FADC68.3090302@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <F01ABE34-AB14-49FE-A089-70702A82F0C3@duendevision.com>


On Mar 16, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Fred Duperrault wrote:

> Thanks, Roy.
>
> Will the film be shown beyond the weekend?

I'm assuming so, just because of the way they phrased the times.  
However that is an assumption.
>
> If so, how far?  The website is very vague about what days it will  
> be shown.

Nader's site is just a vague.

Peace

Duende

_______________________________________________
  "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from  
mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not  
thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and  
courageously uses his intelligence."

Albert Einstein






From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 16 12:29:38 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:29:38 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader Review
Message-ID: <45FAF022.6060804@earthlink.net>


Today's Merc has a review of "The Unreasonable Man" on
page 1 of the "a&e" section.  It includes a half page
photo of Nader.

"Ralph Nader: crusader or spoiler? Film examines legacy
as consumer advocate, gadfly"

     http://events.mercurynews.com/movies/review/4654

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 16 12:38:04 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:38:04 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com><C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>	45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net	<45FAD0A3.1040907@freeshell.org>
	<45FADC68.3090302@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <45FAF21C.5070001@earthlink.net>


I will probably go to the 4:05 showing today.

Gerry


Fred Duperrault wrote:

> Thanks, Roy.
> 
> Will the film be shown beyond the weekend?
> 
> If so, how far?  The website is very vague about what days it will be shown.
> 
> Fred
> 

Fred, here is an old email re how long.

Gerry



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader Movie--Times to be posted next week...
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:32:10 -0800
From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
To: alexcathy at aol.com
CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
References: <447961.62632.qm at web52209.mail.yahoo.com> 
<0F318A6B-EE33-4C73-A659-C60B8EBD0386 at cagreens.org> 
<8C92F3FA6C5645B-16E0-45EA at webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com>



Thanks for that input, Alex!  You and Cathy are very much missed, so 
your emails are wonderful to help us keep in touch.
Regarding the movie here in San Jose at the Camera 12:


I received a call from Ron Regalia (what a name!) and he told me the 
following:


No times set yet for the movie.  Those will be posted next Tuesday.

It will be shown for only one week.  Then that screen will be "down."


I thanked him for showing the movie and told him I would see him next week.

Andrea

<clip>



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 16 12:41:56 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:41:56 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
Message-ID: <45FAF304.4020203@earthlink.net>



Fred Duperrault wrote:

 > Thanks, Roy.
 >
 > Will the film be shown beyond the weekend?
 >
 > If so, how far?  The website is very vague about what days it will be 
shown.
 >
 > Fred
 >

Fred, here is an old email re how long.

Gerry



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader Movie--Times to be posted next week...
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:32:10 -0800
From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
To: alexcathy at aol.com
CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
References: <447961.62632.qm at web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
<0F318A6B-EE33-4C73-A659-C60B8EBD0386 at cagreens.org>
<8C92F3FA6C5645B-16E0-45EA at webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com>



Thanks for that input, Alex!  You and Cathy are very much missed, so
your emails are wonderful to help us keep in touch.
Regarding the movie here in San Jose at the Camera 12:


I received a call from Ron Regalia (what a name!) and he told me the
following:


No times set yet for the movie.  Those will be posted next Tuesday.

It will be shown for only one week.  Then that screen will be "down."


I thanked him for showing the movie and told him I would see him next week.

Andrea

<clip>




From alexcathy at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 12:12:50 2007
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:12:50 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Cynthia McKinney: "We Must Resist!"
Message-ID: <8C9361639BA134C-4D8-83D@FWM-D04.sysops.aol.com>

Dear Friends, 
 
 There has been speculation about former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney running for national office as Green Party Candidate in 2008. Ms. McKinney had a distinguished, but controversial, career as a state legislator and U.S. congressperson from Georgia (is there any other way to be a distinguished progressive in this conservative-dominated Empire?) 
 
 F.Y.I. 
 
 On March 2, 2007, Ms. McKinney spoke at a fundraiser for Pacifica Radio Station KPFK in Los Angeles. 
 Yesterday, her remarks were posted on the web site Black Agenda Report: www.blackagendareport.com. 
 As the U.S. Congress debates spending tens of billions of more dollars on Mr. Bush's war and on the eve of demonstrations by those of us certain prominent powerful Democrats have called "idiot liberals" and "wild-eyed liberals," I have reposted the complete text. 
 
 ( http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2007/03/cynthia-mckinney-we-must-resist.html )
 
 
 = = = = = = = = = = = 
 
 We Must Resist!
 by Cynthia McKinney I'm hoping there are some folks here tonight who have never been to an event like this before. I'm hoping that people are so moved by their own intolerable circumstances that they are now willing to do something different in order to get something they've never had before. 
  For, in order to solve the massive problems this country now has, it can no longer be business as usual for a critical mass of us. 
  Whether it's the thawing tundra in Siberia or the melting glaciers in Greenland, our contribution to global warming is something that must be dealt with.  
  Whether it's the massive amounts of money we spend on the war machine or the fact that we still don't know what happened on September 11th, the values and priorities of the American people must be reflected in the public policy we pursue. I do not believe that is the case today and there are specific reasons why.  
  I have long said that the black body politic is comatose: unable to sustain itself after the massive infusion of COINTELPRO-type "clean Negroes" who don't truly provide representation for a body of people in need.  
  Unfortunately, now, the entire American body politic is in dire straits, too.  
  I have also said that the prescription for the black body politic is radical surgery. So, too, now, I believe, is the case with the American body politic. 
  . . . 
  
 In the meantime, we have to demand more from our representatives. How can you be against war if you finance war? And how can you be against George Bush if you won't impeach him?    
  The American people are being fed madness as sanity. But, this is not Oz, Wonderland, the Twilight Zone, and it's not 1984!  
 With every fiber in our being we must resist. 
  . . .
  
  Read More At: California Greening   = = = = = = = = = = = 
 
  
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar 16 15:35:37 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:35:37 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
In-Reply-To: <45F78005.8090701@sbcglobal.net>
References: <45F78005.8090701@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <7CC9276D-54F5-4F6D-9315-807D8CD35AD6@cagreens.org>

One of the issues that Nader used to talk about was that of  
"facilities."  Without a decent and affordable transportation system,  
IMHO, we haven't the "facilities" to allow very many people to go car  
free.
Andrea

On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:

> Tian wrote
> As I type this, I've been car free for more than four months.
>
> Tian has the luxury of not having to go to work each weekday.
>
> His statement implies that others should also go car free.
>
> That means an effort should be made to provide others with this  
> opportunity.
>
> This then is a chance for the Green Party to take action on several
> transportation issues and issues related to transportation.
>
> Please add this to the list for the retreat in Morgan Hill.
>
>
>
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 16 22:49:34 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:49:34 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Go see "An Unreasonable Man"
Message-ID: <45FB816E.3030404@earthlink.net>


I saw it this afternoon.

I highly recommend it.

They said it is playing through 3/22 (Thursday).

I saw 5 people leave at the end of the previous
showing.  There were 5 people (including me)
during the showing I saw.  I asked one couple
what brought them there, and they said an email
from a friend.

Gerry




From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Mar 16 21:58:39 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:58:39 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss]  Go see "An Unreasonable Man"
Message-ID: <45FB757F.1070401@freeshell.org>

We, Lois and I, saw the movie during the 6:45 showing today, but missed 
the first five or ten minutes. About 20 people were in attendance.

It gets your motor going.

Fred


I saw it this afternoon.

I highly recommend it.

They said it is playing through 3/22 (Thursday).

I saw 5 people leave at the end of the previous
showing.  There were 5 people (including me)
during the showing I saw.  I asked one couple
what brought them there, and they said an email
from a friend.

Gerry


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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar 16 22:21:16 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:21:16 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] De Anza Greens Have Begun
In-Reply-To: <45F728CA.1050806@charter.net>
References: <397579.13847.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BB2CBEB4-B13C-4D21-A2A1-F62D383AF7C2@cagreens.org>
	<45F728CA.1050806@charter.net>
Message-ID: <7553B847-21C9-4390-BA09-B5148B4D1644@cagreens.org>

OK, Wes, how do we choose the "contestants'?   :- )
A.
On Mar 13, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Wes Rolley wrote:

> Andrea Dorey wrote:
>> Can you keep us in the loop about their activities?  I'd like to
>> support that.
>> We might be able to do an interview on BET TV show.
>> In fact, I'd love to do a panel with 1) the two Majors and the GP
>> student groups at DeAnza, or 2) any and all third party student
>> groups at DeAnza.
>> What do you all think:  good idea?  bad?
>> Andrea
> I think that it is a great idea. But, it's success all depends on who
> represents each party and how articulate they are.
>
> For example, when I went to a small college (Redlands) many years ago,
> we had a great debate team, one of the best in the nation. Of course,
> one of the members of that team ended up Deputy Assistant Secretary of
> Health, Education and Welfare; and a former Director of Congressional
> Relations at the U.S. Department of Transportation while another ended
> up as Press Secretary for the State Department.
>
> You would not have wanted to be going up against either.
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough;
> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
>
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar 16 22:22:28 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] De Anza Greens Have Begun
In-Reply-To: <149125.54386.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <149125.54386.qm@web52205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5FF2F7AD-C464-4DBD-8178-B4527EE06874@cagreens.org>

No problem.  I'm into May and June for programs scheduled.  I can be  
VERRRRY patient!
A.

On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:38 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Hey Wes, Andie and all,
>
> Actually we would be the first club that is connected to a party.  The
> Duopoly is lethargic and doesn't bother.  There are other politically
> related groups, but we are the only one involved with electoral
> politics.  Some of the others are into 'street' actions and could be
> good to invite.
>
> Great ideas Andie!  It will take a little bit before the group rolls,
> so please be patient.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
> --- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Andrea Dorey wrote:
>>> Can you keep us in the loop about their activities?  I'd like to
>>> support that.
>>> We might be able to do an interview on BET TV show.
>>> In fact, I'd love to do a panel with 1) the two Majors and the GP
>>> student groups at DeAnza, or 2) any and all third party student
>>> groups at DeAnza.
>>> What do you all think:  good idea?  bad?
>>> Andrea
>> I think that it is a great idea. But, it's success all depends on who
>>
>> represents each party and how articulate they are.
>>
>> For example, when I went to a small college (Redlands) many years
>> ago,
>> we had a great debate team, one of the best in the nation. Of course,
>>
>> one of the members of that team ended up Deputy Assistant Secretary
>> of
>> Health, Education and Welfare; and a former Director of Congressional
>>
>> Relations at the U.S. Department of Transportation while another
>> ended
>> up as Press Secretary for the State Department.
>>
>> You would not have wanted to be going up against either.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
>> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
>> Being willing is not enough;
>> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
>> Wesley C. Rolley
>> 17211 Quail Court
>> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
>> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
> Don't pick lemons.
> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar 16 22:35:14 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com>
	<C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <CE2911EA-F2FF-4EFD-B6DF-0DEF3511B0F0@cagreens.org>

Hi, guys,

I've been offline for 3 days, so I missed all this.
I am in Pacifica now and hope to get a few hours this Saturday to see  
the movie, but I am videotaping a meeting re e-cars in Palo Alto.
I would love to get together for a discussion, but I can't this  
weekend due to other last-minute commitments.
I'll try to stay in the loop, here, but I will be once again without  
wifi from Monday to Tuesday afternoon.

Andi
On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:34 AM, Duende wrote:

> Hi Drew
>
> As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my
> impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some
> place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the what
> not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist at
> heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the
> events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,
> Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea
> contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done is
> see if any others contribute their time and interest.
>
> On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one
> choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't want
> the last show because it's just later than I like to start things.
>
> Peace
>
> Duende
>
> On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>
>> Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers
>> for
>> discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and  
>> after
>> the event, how about?
>>
>> Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you like to
>> lead a group at 6:45???
>>
>> Andie when do you want to lead a group?
>>
>> Roy when do you want to lead a group?
>>
>>  I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me sometime
>> on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
>> with me.
>>
>> Others???
>>
>> Impeach for Peace!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
>>>
>>> Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
>>>
>>> I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I
>>> definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
>>>
>>> Peace
>>>
>>> Duende
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ___________________________________
>>> The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the
>>> one
>>> proposed by the corporate media and government, 9/11 being a perfect
>>> example.
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>>
>>
>> ___________________
>>
>> JamBoi
>> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>>
>> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
>> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________________ 
>> _
>> ______________
>> TV dinner still cooling?
>> Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
>> http://tv.yahoo.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
>   "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from
> mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not
> thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and
> courageously uses his intelligence."
>
> Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar 16 22:37:19 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:37:19 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Times for An Unreasonable Man
In-Reply-To: <45FAD0A3.1040907@freeshell.org>
References: <63057.99430.qm@web52203.mail.yahoo.com><C026F3C1-2BBF-4C93-B2B0-6903DE0A81FA@duendevision.com>	45F9BFB1.2060906@earthlink.net
	<45FAD0A3.1040907@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <B12A0D2F-8510-4C42-9AF8-F3BF24C5859A@cagreens.org>

Actually, considering my schedule this weekend with an ailing cat, an  
infected tooth, and a meeting of the EAA that I have to tape, I am  
swamped.
Tuesday will probably work better for me, too, if they have a late  
afternoon time.
A.

On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Fred Duperrault wrote:

> Where can one find where and what days and times 'An Unreasonable Man"
> will be showing?  Lois and I are certainly planning to go.  If it's
> showing Tuesday, that's my choice.
>
> Fred
>
> For me it's looking like Tuesday or Wednesday or something like  
> that...
>
> Gerry Gras wrote:
>
>> I only know of Andrea, Drew, Roy, and myself.
>>
>> This is turning out to be a busy weekend.
>>
>> At this point I don't when is a good time for me.
>>
>> I feel the same way as Roy about leading a group.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>> Duende wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Drew
>>>
>>> As of now I was only aware of Gerry and Andrea going and my
>>> impression was that they/we would want to go together and go some
>>> place afterwards  to discuss what we just saw, Leaders and the what
>>> not aren't on my radar nor my thing (maybe I'm just an anarchist at
>>> heart ). Mutual participation was more like it. The times of the
>>> events being posted was my contribution to the  mutuality of it,
>>> Gerry contributed the happening itself and I believe Andrea
>>> contributed the idea of a discussion, Now all that needs be done is
>>> see if any others contribute their time and interest.
>>>
>>> On my mind the 6:45 Show would be the natural and my number one
>>> choice but I was leaving the other times open as well. I didn't want
>>> the last show because it's just later than I like to start things.
>>>
>>> Peace
>>>
>>> Duende
>>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 1:23 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Okay why don't we start organizing the groups.   We can make flyers
>>>> for
>>>> discussion immediately following that we can hand out before and  
>>>> after
>>>> the event, how about?
>>>>
>>>> Gerry mentioned wanting to go Friday night.  Gerry would you  
>>>> like to
>>>> lead a group at 6:45???
>>>>
>>>> Andie when do you want to lead a group?
>>>>
>>>> Roy when do you want to lead a group?
>>>>
>>>> I can go on Saturday sometime.  Anyone else want to join me  
>>>> sometime
>>>> on Saturday?  I might be able to scare up one or two people to come
>>>> with me.
>>>>
>>>> Others???
>>>>
>>>> Impeach for Peace!
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here are the times for An Unreasonable Man:
>>>>>
>>>>> Daily at 4:05, 6:45, 9:20; plus Fri-Sun at 1:25
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm good for any time though I'd prefer the 1:25, 4:05 or 6:45. I
>>>>> definitely would like to have that discussion afterwards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peace
>>>>>
>>>>> Duende
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Tian
> We got great coverage for our protest in Los Gatos Saturday:
> http://losgatosobserver.com/los-gatos/Article.php?article_id=0226
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Mar 16 22:47:03 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:47:03 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Sorry--couldn't resist...
Message-ID: <F9152829-A6EA-40AF-85A9-453E1763B85B@cagreens.org>

GREAT BUMPER STICKERS

I need some relief before I start screaming and can't stop!!!
Here it is for me (but temporary):

GREAT BUMPER STICKERS:
1) (On an infant's shirt): Already smarter than Bush.
    2) 1/20/09: End of an Error
    3) That's OK, I Wasn't Using My Civil Liberties Anyway
    4) Let's Fix Democracy in This Country First
    5) If You Want a Nation Ruled By Religion, Move to Iran
    6) Bush. Like a Rock. Only Dumber.
    7) You Can't Be Pro-War And Pro-Life At The Same Time
    8) If You Can Read This, You're Not Our President
    9) Of Course It Hurts: You're Getting Screwed by an Elephant
    10) Hey, Bush Supporters: Embarrassed Yet?
    11) George Bush: Creating the Terrorists Our Kids Will Have to Fight
    12) impeachment: It's Not Just for Blowjobs Anymore
    13) Give Bush a Blowjob So We Can Impeach Him, Too
    14) America : One Nation, Under Surveillance
    15) They Call Him "W" So He Can Spell It
    16) Which God Do You Kill For?
    17) Cheney/Satan '08
    18) Jail to the Chief
    19) Who Would Jesus Torture?
    20) No, Seriously, Why Did We Invade?
    21) Bush: God's Way of Proving Intelligent Design is Full Of Crap
    22) So Many Christians, So Few Lions
    23) Bad president! No Banana.
    24) We Need a President Who's Fluent In At Least One Language
    25) We're Making Enemies Faster Than We Can Kill Them
    26) Buck Fush
    27) Rich Man's War, Poor Man's Blood
    28) Is It Vietnam Yet?
    29) Bush Doesn't Care About White People, Either
    30) Where Are We Going? And Why Are We In This Handbasket?
    31) You Elected Him. You Deserve Him.
    32) Frodo Failed. Bush Has the Ring.
    33) Impeach Cheney First
    34) Dubya, Your Dad Shoulda Pulled Out, Too
    35) When Bush Took Office, Gas Was $1.46
    36) The Republican Party: Our Bridge to the 11th Century
    37) 2004: Embarrassed   2005: Horrified   2006: Terrified



From baalavi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 11:29:04 2007
From: baalavi at yahoo.com (Bob Alavi)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:29:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Promoting Greens?
Message-ID: <20070317182904.84928.qmail@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks to Tian, please see: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/5726 
   
  That'll be my gear & outfit for ALC6 (http://www.aidslifecycle.org/ ) ride on June 3-9, 2007.
   
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 18 21:41:28 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:41:28 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
Message-ID: <45FE1478.6080206@sbcglobal.net>

Andrea wrote

One of the issues that Nader used to talk about was that of  
"facilities."  Without a decent and affordable transportation system,  
IMHO, we haven't the "facilities" to allow very many people to go car  
free.
Andrea

My response is
granted, we do not have the "facilities."
So, how do we get them?  What do we do?

earlier email was

On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:

Tian wrote
As I type this, I've been car free for more than four months.

Tian has the luxury of not having to go to work each weekday.

His statement implies that others should also go car free.

That means an effort should be made to provide others with this  
opportunity.

This then is a chance for the Green Party to take action on several
transportation issues and issues related to transportation.

Please add this to the list for the retreat in Morgan Hill.




From jamboi at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 19 09:33:49 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
In-Reply-To: <45FE1478.6080206@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <472474.76245.qm@web52215.mail.yahoo.com>

Locally we need to work on the VTA to get their service up to snuff. 
There are many adjustments to the routes taken, additional community
bus runs,  speeding up of the Light Rail and killing the rediculously
expensive BART extension in favor rail service (a fraction of the cost)
that could all make going car free in SCC *much* more workable.

There is a VTA Rider's Union e-mail list that is moderately active.  We
(the GPSCC) could support this coalitional effort!  Here's the eddress:
http://www.vtaridersunion.org/

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Andrea wrote
> 
> One of the issues that Nader used to talk about was that of  
> "facilities."  Without a decent and affordable transportation system,
>  
> IMHO, we haven't the "facilities" to allow very many people to go car
>  
> free.
> Andrea
> 
> My response is
> granted, we do not have the "facilities."
> So, how do we get them?  What do we do?
> 
> earlier email was
> 
> On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
> 
> Tian wrote
> As I type this, I've been car free for more than four months.
> 
> Tian has the luxury of not having to go to work each weekday.
> 
> His statement implies that others should also go car free.
> 
> That means an effort should be made to provide others with this  
> opportunity.
> 
> This then is a chance for the Green Party to take action on several
> transportation issues and issues related to transportation.
> 
> Please add this to the list for the retreat in Morgan Hill.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 19 10:05:39 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:05:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Starting The Mid Valley Local of the GPSCC
Message-ID: <765472.32292.qm@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

To get this 'party started' we just need a petition submitted either to
a County Council meeting or to a General Meeting with the signatures of
5 registered Greens living in the Mid Valley area:  Central SJ,
Campbell, Los Gatos, Monte Sereno, Saratoga.

Here's a starter set of names of folks I've talked about (although I'm
sure y'all can come up with more).

Jim Doyle  -  j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net
Merriam Kathaleen  - MKmusic03 at aol.com,
Mary-Lyle Rempel - (no e-mail - Jim has phone #)
Marko Cook - britelad at gmail.com  (Marko needs to re-register Green to
county 
  as a GPSCC "Member" - even though he actually helped start the
party!)
Eric Meece - eameece at california.com 
Patrick Lynch - I'll have to locate his e-mail (Contact from De Anza) 

Here's our relevant Bylaws section:

http://cagreens.org/sclara/bylaws.shtml 
ARTICLE 5 COUNTY LOCALS

5.1 Consistent with Green Party values supporting decentralization and
personal responsibility, individual members may form locals of the
Green Party of Santa Clara County in the various subregions of the
county.

5.2 To be duly recognized as an official GPSCC Local, such a group
must: 
a) Be approved as a County Local -- either by the County Council or at
a general meeting of the GPSCC -- after submitting a written request
signed by at least five (5) Members describing their intent to form a
Local and the boundaries of the proposed Local. 
b) Minutes will be recorded for all official meetings and a copy will
be made available to the County Council on request. 
c) Duly elect a contact person who will facilitate communication
between the local and the county organization. 
d) Have clearly defined geographic boundaries and notify the Council in
writing of any subsequent changes of those boundaries. 
e) Conduct Local activities in accordance with the spirit and intent of
the Green Party's 10 Key Values.

5.3 A GPSCC Local shall not take any public position on county-wide or
state-wide issues contrary to that taken by the GPSCC or the California
Green Party, without receiving consensus at a County general meeting. A
Local shall not assert any authority expressly reserved to the GPSCC in
these Bylaws or to the California Green Party in the state party's
bylaws.

Organize, Energize, Coalize!

Drew


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 19 12:10:16 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:10:16 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Health Care meeting by WILPF
Message-ID: <45FEE018.80709@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: health care
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:31:13 EDT


Please let your members know that the Womens International League for
Peace and Freedom will hold a meeting at the Friends Meeting House,957
Colorado, Palo Alto Sunday,April1 to discuss health care legislation
introduced in the California state legislature. Potluck dinner will be
at five. Speaker at six.Rich Waters,co president of Health Care for All
will be the speaker. Rich will explain how the shattered health care
system can be repaired with covering all California residents at a lower
price than at present.



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 19 12:13:11 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:13:11 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Health Care meeting by WILPF
Message-ID: <45FEE0C7.5020707@earthlink.net>


I received an additional email stating tha this
is the Peninsula Branch of WILPF, and the
contact number is 650-493-8872.

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: health care
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:31:13 EDT


Please let your members know that the Womens International League for
Peace and Freedom will hold a meeting at the Friends Meeting House,957
Colorado, Palo Alto Sunday,April1 to discuss health care legislation
introduced in the California state legislature. Potluck dinner will be
at five. Speaker at six.Rich Waters,co president of Health Care for All
will be the speaker. Rich will explain how the shattered health care
system can be repaired with covering all California residents at a lower
price than at present.




From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Mar 19 12:19:43 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:19:43 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
In-Reply-To: <45FE1478.6080206@sbcglobal.net>
References: <45FE1478.6080206@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <D89D5F4D-234F-46B5-9A2D-247B0DD33165@cagreens.org>

I agree with Drew about bringing the services we have up to European  
standards (my term, not his).

We also need to get multiple methods of transportation, including  
BART, going around the Bay Area and make it as user friendly as  
possible?that, IMHO, means allowing car/gas slaves to park their  
monsters for free until we have them hooked and out of their gas- 
guzzlers.  We cannot set impossibly high standards for people who are  
just starting to cope with $3.50/gallon and the reality of global  
warming.  It's going to be a gradual process.

I was coaxed out of a 1984 BMW 533i (read muscle car @ 19 mpg) only  
when Honda Insight came out with their hybrid rocket car.  In two  
weeks of driving the little "butterfly" car, I discovered that the  
BMW felt like an overgrown "tank"!

People are trainable, but not by hitting them over the head with our  
high principles (IMHO).  Sorry for the lecture.  But so often I see  
things go wrong because nothing but the perfect solution is good  
enough for the far left.

Andi





On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:

> Andrea wrote
>
> One of the issues that Nader used to talk about was that of
> "facilities."  Without a decent and affordable transportation system,
> IMHO, we haven't the "facilities" to allow very many people to go car
> free.
> Andrea
>
> My response is
> granted, we do not have the "facilities."
> So, how do we get them?  What do we do?
>
> earlier email was
>
> On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>
> Tian wrote
> As I type this, I've been car free for more than four months.
>
> Tian has the luxury of not having to go to work each weekday.
>
> His statement implies that others should also go car free.
>
> That means an effort should be made to provide others with this
> opportunity.
>
> This then is a chance for the Green Party to take action on several
> transportation issues and issues related to transportation.
>
> Please add this to the list for the retreat in Morgan Hill.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 19 15:52:48 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:52:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Transportation Option to Replace Bechtel's
	BART Boondogle for (was Re: going car free)
In-Reply-To: <D89D5F4D-234F-46B5-9A2D-247B0DD33165@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <892278.75474.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Andi that a good term for what we're aiming at are
'European' or maybe 'Japanese' standards.  

I strongly agree that we need around-the-bay service like the historic
Key System http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_System and East Bay
Electric Lines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Bay_Electric_Lines
that covered the whole Bay and was purposely destroyed by the
auto/bus/oil/tire kabal to make sure we would move over to the less
effecient bus and give up our extremely effecient train system. 
However Bechtel's BART is such a wasteful system it needs to be
dismantled and replaced by a truly modern 21st century system (not
1960's tek) which is fast, and fuel effecient like an electric train.

Many people are unware of just how wasteful Bechtel's BART is, so allow
me to explain:  First off, have y'all rode Behtel's BART lately??? Its
hella loud.  Whenever you go through a tunnel it is absolutely
deafening - and that is no exageration.  It is dirty and smelly and
disgusting.  Below the smelly surface, Bechtel's BART uses a
proprietary gauge, and proprietary cars so that we will never be able
to obtain economy of scale with them.  The electric third rail is a
hazard to all living beings and so Bechtel's BART has to go to
extraordinary lengths to protect the third rail from beings; therefore
it is raised off the ground in many places (read big $$$) and hidden
behind extensive, expensive fences.  In all respects Bechtel's (the
military industrial giant which is just another Halliburton and which
Diane Feinstein is tied into) BART is an enormous money waster.  It
costs something like 10x -- yes that's right -- 10X the amount the
electric train (that we could have had years ago and could innact very
rapidly at any time) would cost.  Anyone who's really looked into
Bechtel's BART is aware of what a boondogle Bechtel's BART truly is. 
We need to move forward into the 21st century and dismantle this
20th-century military-industrial complex dinosaur.  Bechtel's BART is
truly apalling when you take a good look at what it really is.  By its
very nature it can *never* be made to be effecient no matter how many
millions are thrown at it.  It will *always* be the boondoggle that
Bechtel designed it to be.

There are several coalitional efforts to modernize our transportation
system and reject Bechtel's BART in favor of replacing the dinosaur
with new, clean, green technology.  While there are no perfect
solutions, but we don't need to submit to the military-industrial
complex for 21st century green transportation options for the South
Bay.

Bay Rail Alliance (formerly Peninsula Rail 2000):
http://www.bayrailalliance.org/about_us

ModernTransit.org
http://www.moderntransit.org/

Here's a page on Personal Rapid Transit:
http://www.electric-bikes.com/prt.htm

Rail Passenger Association links to California rail advocacy groups:
http://www.railpac.org/links/

Green means GO!

Drew


--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> I agree with Drew about bringing the services we have up to European 
> 
> standards (my term, not his).
> 
> We also need to get multiple methods of transportation, including  
> BART, going around the Bay Area and make it as user friendly as  
> possible?that, IMHO, means allowing car/gas slaves to park their  
> monsters for free until we have them hooked and out of their gas- 
> guzzlers.  We cannot set impossibly high standards for people who are
> just starting to cope with $3.50/gallon and the reality of global  
> warming.  It's going to be a gradual process.
> 
> I was coaxed out of a 1984 BMW 533i (read muscle car @ 19 mpg) only  
> when Honda Insight came out with their hybrid rocket car.  In two  
> weeks of driving the little "butterfly" car, I discovered that the  
> BMW felt like an overgrown "tank"!
> 
> People are trainable, but not by hitting them over the head with our 
> high principles (IMHO).  Sorry for the lecture.  But so often I see  
> things go wrong because nothing but the perfect solution is good  
> enough for the far left.
> 
> Andi
 Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
To:	"Jim Doyle" <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>, "sosfbay discussion group"
<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>


Locally we need to work on the VTA to get their service up to snuff. 
There are many adjustments to the routes taken, additional community
bus runs,  speeding up of the Light Rail and killing the rediculously
expensive BART extension in favor rail service (a fraction of the cost)
that could all make going car free in SCC *much* more workable.

There is a VTA Rider's Union e-mail list that is moderately active.  We
(the GPSCC) could support this coalitional effort!  Here's the eddress:
http://www.vtaridersunion.org/

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Andrea wrote
> 
> One of the issues that Nader used to talk about was that of  
> "facilities."  Without a decent and affordable transportation system,
>  
> IMHO, we haven't the "facilities" to allow very many people to go car
>  
> free.
> Andrea
> 
> My response is
> granted, we do not have the "facilities."
> So, how do we get them?  What do we do?
> 
> earlier email was
> 
> On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
> 
> Tian wrote
> As I type this, I've been car free for more than four months.
> 
> Tian has the luxury of not having to go to work each weekday.
> 
> His statement implies that others should also go car free.
> 
> That means an effort should be made to provide others with this  
> opportunity.
> 
> This then is a chance for the Green Party to take action on several
> transportation issues and issues related to transportation.
> 
> Please add this to the list for the retreat in Morgan Hill.


___________________

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 19 15:57:22 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Health Care meeting by WILPF
In-Reply-To: <45FEE0C7.5020707@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <884401.76861.qm@web52204.mail.yahoo.com>

Cool Gerry!  Sounds like a great thing to add to our Health Care
Committee's list of actions.  We have already been active on the
Downtown Hospital coalition, SCC Single Payer Health Care Coalition,
and veterans issues. So far we have Brenda Pierce, Mike Fischetti, Fred
Dupperault and me (Drew Johnson) on the Health Care Committee.  Would
you or Dana like to join us and/or represent us at this WILPF meeting? 


http://HealthCareforAll.org !

Drew

--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> I received an additional email stating tha this
> is the Peninsula Branch of WILPF, and the
> contact number is 650-493-8872.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: health care
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:31:13 EDT
> 
> 
> Please let your members know that the Womens International League for
> Peace and Freedom will hold a meeting at the Friends Meeting
> House,957
> Colorado, Palo Alto Sunday,April1 to discuss health care legislation
> introduced in the California state legislature. Potluck dinner will
> be
> at five. Speaker at six.Rich Waters,co president of Health Care for
> All
> will be the speaker. Rich will explain how the shattered health care
> system can be repaired with covering all California residents at a
> lower
> price than at present.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 19 18:32:06 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:32:06 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Congressional Cynicism
Message-ID: <45FF3996.8040501@earthlink.net>


This is the best explanation I have seen yet for what
Congress is doing re Iraq.  Basically strategic
political calculation at the expense of good government.

"Why Won't MoveOn Move Forward?"
     http://www.prwatch.org/node/5865
     http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0319-28.htm

Gerry





From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 19 20:02:34 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:02:34 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Step It Up 2007
Message-ID: <45FF4ECA.6070900@earthlink.net>


I did not hear about this action until two or three days
ago when I stumbled across it doing a search for "global
warming".  Has anyone else heard of this?

     http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/01/24/stepitup/index.html

Gerry



From jims at greens.org  Mon Mar 19 21:19:51 2007
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:19:51 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [GPCA Official Notice] GPCA ANNOUNCEMENT:
 Applications for internalGPCA positions due on March26th]]
Message-ID: <45FF60E7.8E463B7D@greens.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] GPCA ANNOUNCEMENT: Applications for
internalGPCA positions due on March26th]
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:29:20 -0800
From: County Contacts <contacts2006 at cagreens.org>
Reply-To: contacts2006 at cagreens.org
To: County Contacts <Contacts2006 at cagreens.org>

GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE

This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List.  For more information,
or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. 
Follow the contact directions
stated in the email.






Dear Green Party of California member,

At the upcoming General Assembly meeting of the Green Party of 
California, Friday, May 25th to Sunday, May 27th, 2007 in San Francisco, 
there will be four key types of internal party positions either elected 
or affirmed.  They are

Elected:

- At-Large Coordinating Committee member (two seats)
- GPUS Delegation member (many seats, the number still to be determined 
by a GPUS vote)

Affirmed:

- GPCA Treasurer (one seat)
- GPCA Liaison to Secretary of State (one seat)


Applications containing bios are due by March 26th.  They should be sent 
to applications at cagreens.org.

Below are links to both the application form and the background/job 
description for each position, as well as to explanation how each are 
chosen.  These links are also summarized on 
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/applications.html


At-Large Coordinating Committee member
- Candidate statement application:
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_cc_at_large.rtf
- Job description per GPCA Bylaws:
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_cc_2007.php


GPUS Delegation member
- Candidate statement application:
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_gpus_delegation.rtf
- Job description per GPCA Bylaws:
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_gpus_delegation_2007.php


GPCA Treasurer
- Candidate statement application:
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_treasurer.rtf
- Job description per GPCA Bylaws:
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_treasurer_2007.php


GPCA Liaison to Secretary of State
- Candidate statement application:
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_liason_to_SoS.rtf
- Job description per GPCA Bylaws:
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_liaison_to_SoS_2007.php


Candidate statements will be printed in the agenda packet for the San 
Francisco General Assembly and will also be featured beforehand on 
http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/applications.html


We look forward to seeing you in San Francisco. Your General Assembly
Planning Sub-Committee,

Mike Feinstein, Santa Monica
Paul Franklin, Santa Cruz
Magali Offerman, San Diego
Jada Salamatian, Kern County
Tim Smith, Sonoma County
Laura Wells, Oakland

_______________________________________________
Contacts2006 mailing list
Contacts2006 at cagreens.org
http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/contacts2006



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 08:19:07 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:19:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] April 14th Action v Climate Change: Step It Up
	2007
In-Reply-To: <45FF4ECA.6070900@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070320151907.51788.qmail@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I hadn't heard of it, but it sounds good.  So what do we want to do?

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> I did not hear about this action until two or three days
> ago when I stumbled across it doing a search for "global
> warming".  Has anyone else heard of this?
> 
>     
> http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/01/24/stepitup/index.html
> 
> Gerry
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


___________________

JamBoi
Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 08:34:15 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Cameron's Upcoming Hike
Message-ID: <20070320153415.56024.qmail@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Cameron, where/when's this month's hike.  I remember it was going
to be Saturday or Sunday but didn't hear you say which or where. 
Clarification, por favor.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

___________________

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The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JamBoi

The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
"To the brave belong all things"

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"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Tue Mar 20 09:25:22 2007
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:25:22 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
In-Reply-To: <mailman.33.1174334413.22298.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c76b0c$5f074500$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>

After 6 years of pointing out the benefits of Personal Rapid Transit
(PRT) to the VTA Board and staff, I'm very cynical about them doing
anything outside their box.  They use 19th century technology (LRT) to
solve 21st century transportation problems created by the automobile
because the federal government doles out money for it.  
That may make some financial sense, but when you throw in the operating
costs, low ridership and near zero impact on car congestion, it looks
like a boondoggle.  We could get a bigger bang for our buck by giving
out thousands of electric bikes and scooters.

Check the following link for an alternative to the (overly) expensive
BART extension.  For about one-tenth the price, we can serve about half
the demand (which goes between the Fremont BART station and the Great
Mall LRT station) and provide better service all along the route.  
http://www.electric-bikes.com/ciscofield.htm

As for getting VTA bus service "up to snuff", how do you propose paying
for it?  Right now, the farebox only covers 20% of the operating costs.
Restoring recently-cut services requires money that the VTA claims not
to have.

Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
 
-----Original Message-----

Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
To: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>,	sosfbay discussion group
	<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <472474.76245.qm at web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Locally we need to work on the VTA to get their service up to snuff. 
There are many adjustments to the routes taken, additional community
bus runs,  speeding up of the Light Rail and killing the rediculously
expensive BART extension in favor rail service (a fraction of the cost)
that could all make going car free in SCC *much* more workable.

There is a VTA Rider's Union e-mail list that is moderately active.  We
(the GPSCC) could support this coalitional effort!  Here's the eddress:
http://www.vtaridersunion.org/

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Andrea wrote
> 
> One of the issues that Nader used to talk about was that of  
> "facilities."  Without a decent and affordable transportation system,
>  
> IMHO, we haven't the "facilities" to allow very many people to go car
>  
> free.
> Andrea
> 
> My response is
> granted, we do not have the "facilities."
> So, how do we get them?  What do we do?
> 
> earlier email was
> 
> On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:19:43 -0700
From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
To: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <D89D5F4D-234F-46B5-9A2D-247B0DD33165 at cagreens.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes;
	format=flowed

I agree with Drew about bringing the services we have up to European  
standards (my term, not his).

We also need to get multiple methods of transportation, including  
BART, going around the Bay Area and make it as user friendly as  
possible?that, IMHO, means allowing car/gas slaves to park their  
monsters for free until we have them hooked and out of their gas- 
guzzlers.  We cannot set impossibly high standards for people who are  
just starting to cope with $3.50/gallon and the reality of global  
warming.  It's going to be a gradual process.

Andi





From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar 20 09:47:09 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:47:09 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tech Museum
Message-ID: <4600100D.9090704@charter.net>

I would recommend two things going on at the Tech Museum of Innovation 
in San Jose right now. Actually, both have been going on for a while but 
they are very much about what being Green means.

First, there is an exhibit entitled "Green by Design".  You can read 
about it here. http://www.thetech.org/exhibits/green_by_design/

The second thing I would recommend is the IMAX theater presentation 
Hurricane on the Bayou.
You can find show times 
here:http://www.thetech.org/imax/filmdetail/?movie=HOB&ref=current

Hurricane on the Bayou is an immaginative wasy to '"bring the focus to 
the rapidly disappearing wetlands that are New Orleans? first line of 
defense against deadly storms. Vanishing at an astonishing rate of one 
acre every 38 minutes according to the U.S. Geological Survey, the 
wealth, cultural vitality and very future of New Orleans depend on the 
preservation of these wetlands."

If you consider the importance of the wetlands to New Orleans, we should 
also consider the importance of the California Delta to this entire state.

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar 20 09:58:11 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:58:11 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Step It Up 2007
In-Reply-To: <45FF4ECA.6070900@earthlink.net>
References: <45FF4ECA.6070900@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <460012A3.8020002@charter.net>

Gerry Gras wrote:
> I did not hear about this action until two or three days
> ago when I stumbled across it doing a search for "global
> warming".  Has anyone else heard of this?
Yes. I have heard about it through the GP national Eco-Action Committee.

David Cobb and Democrary United of Humblodt County have advertised a 
Step it Up Rally for April 14. (mentioned in a post on Cal Forum.)

Wes



-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From tnharter at ispwest.com  Tue Mar 20 10:41:48 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:41:48 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
References: 000b01c76b0c$5f074500$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06
Message-ID: <46001CDC.1080807@ispwest.com>

I firmly believe that what we need now is more riders on VTA,
more riders on the busses, and more people that live near where
they work. When what we have has gone beyond critical mass,
then we will be ready for more infrastructure.

Politically, maybe it would help to put people on the VTA Board
that care about transit. Maybe it would help to elect pro transit
politicians. The problem is, to make this kind of change more of
the general public has to get it that "pro transit" is a good thing
in a politician. The best way to demonstrate this is to flass your
bus pass, and I have yet to see any local politician do so at a
public speaking opportunity.

Until then, everything else is "nibbling at the edges."

Tian

Rob Means wrote:

>After 6 years of pointing out the benefits of Personal Rapid Transit
>(PRT) to the VTA Board and staff, I'm very cynical about them doing
>anything outside their box.  They use 19th century technology (LRT) to
>solve 21st century transportation problems created by the automobile
>because the federal government doles out money for it.  
>That may make some financial sense, but when you throw in the operating
>costs, low ridership and near zero impact on car congestion, it looks
>like a boondoggle.  We could get a bigger bang for our buck by giving
>out thousands of electric bikes and scooters.
>
>Check the following link for an alternative to the (overly) expensive
>BART extension.  For about one-tenth the price, we can serve about half
>the demand (which goes between the Fremont BART station and the Great
>Mall LRT station) and provide better service all along the route.  
>http://www.electric-bikes.com/ciscofield.htm
>
>As for getting VTA bus service "up to snuff", how do you propose paying
>for it?  Right now, the farebox only covers 20% of the operating costs.
>Restoring recently-cut services requires money that the VTA claims not
>to have.
>
>Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
>408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
>1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
>Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>---
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
>From: JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
>To: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>,	sosfbay discussion group
>	<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>Message-ID: <472474.76245.qm at web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Locally we need to work on the VTA to get their service up to snuff. 
>There are many adjustments to the routes taken, additional community
>bus runs,  speeding up of the Light Rail and killing the rediculously
>expensive BART extension in favor rail service (a fraction of the cost)
>that could all make going car free in SCC *much* more workable.
>
>There is a VTA Rider's Union e-mail list that is moderately active.  We
>(the GPSCC) could support this coalitional effort!  Here's the eddress:
>http://www.vtaridersunion.org/
>
>Impeach for Peace!
>
>Drew
>
>--- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Andrea wrote
>>
>>One of the issues that Nader used to talk about was that of  
>>"facilities."  Without a decent and affordable transportation system,
>> 
>>IMHO, we haven't the "facilities" to allow very many people to go car
>> 
>>free.
>>Andrea
>>
>>My response is
>>granted, we do not have the "facilities."
>>So, how do we get them?  What do we do?
>>
>>earlier email was
>>
>>On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:19:43 -0700
>From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
>Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
>To: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
>Cc: sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>Message-ID: <D89D5F4D-234F-46B5-9A2D-247B0DD33165 at cagreens.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes;
>	format=flowed
>
>I agree with Drew about bringing the services we have up to European  
>standards (my term, not his).
>
>We also need to get multiple methods of transportation, including  
>BART, going around the Bay Area and make it as user friendly as  
>possible?that, IMHO, means allowing car/gas slaves to park their  
>monsters for free until we have them hooked and out of their gas- 
>guzzlers.  We cannot set impossibly high standards for people who are  
>just starting to cope with $3.50/gallon and the reality of global  
>warming.  It's going to be a gradual process.
>
>Andi
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>  
>


-- 
Tian
I went to an anti climate change rally put on by the Sierra Club today.
They called it a rally, but to me it seemed more like a speech fest.



From tnharter at ispwest.com  Tue Mar 20 10:48:07 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Step It Up 2007
References: 45FF4ECA.6070900@earthlink.net
Message-ID: <46001E57.8060209@ispwest.com>

Gerry Gras wrote:

>I did not hear about this action until two or three days
>ago when I stumbled across it doing a search for "global
>warming".  Has anyone else heard of this?
>
>     http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/01/24/stepitup/index.html
>
>Gerry
>
>_______________________________________________
>sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>  
>
I just heard Bill McKibben on the radio talking about

http://stepitup07.org/

Looks like the same thing. He sounds like one of the people
that can make something happen there.

-- 
Tian
I went to an anti climate change rally put on by the Sierra Club today.
They called it a rally, but to me it seemed more like a speech fest.



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 20 13:48:01 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:48:01 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas
References: <45F4C9DF.5050301@charter.net>
Message-ID: <46004881.9070707@earthlink.net>


I can't think of any solutions or suggestions right now, but
here are some miscellaneous thoughts.

I share Jim's concerns (3/11) about having a retreat with a
lot of brainstorming leading to actions that quickly fizzle
out.  I certainly would like to do something different.

I agree with Wes (3/11) re recruiting volunteers, with a
caveat.  As coco of the GPCA CC, I was so overwhelmed that I
never found the time to train anyone.  And maybe some people
are not good at training.  So the idea of training
replacements is good, but may be difficult in practice.

I guess Drew (3/11) is correct that asking former GP members
why they left is risky, but I think that the risk is worth it.
If you don't know why people have left, how can you act
differently to reduce the departures?  (This is a specific
example of an important general rule "If you don't know why
something is broken, you are unlikely to know how to fix it?")

...

I think one of the most important aspects of why a lot of
time gets wasted is that we often talk about things we agree
should be done, but there is no followup because there is
no "champion", no one who is willing to spend time and effort
to make it happen.  If there is no champion for an item,
then it should be dropped or tabled.  As Peggy Lewis (former
GPCA CC coco) liked to say, "You plead, you lead".  Or as I
have heard elsewhere "If it is to be, it is up to me".  Maybe
this falls under "personal responsibility".

Another factor, in my opinion, is that there is more than a
little negativity.  By that I mean too much criticism and
not enough support for good ideas and actions.  This is bad
for morale, which is bad for positive participation.  (But
I admit that the GPSCC is nowhere near as bad as the GPCA CC.)

I remember reading somewhere "Begin with the end in mind.".
The idea is that you start with determining what the ultimate
goal is, then work backwards.  And what is our ultimate goal?
I don't know, do you?  For me personally it is a combination of
1) achieve sustainability with the least amount of pain getting
    there
2) preserving and strengthening democracy
3) justice for all
4) maybe something else I have forgotten?
But already that may be too complex.  Yes?  No?
And I am sure that others on this list have different goals.

If you want people to join and be active in the GP, it might
be a good idea to ask "What can we do to make the GP attractive
to more people"?

We have a mystery which gets in the way.  All of us have had
the experience of talking to others about an issue (e.g. Iraq,
taxes, spoiler effect) and not comprehending why they resist
or disagree with what is "obvious" to us.  Sometimes they are
friends or family.  Can we make sufficient progress without
better understanding that resistance?

What do we have to learn from Lakoff's framing thoery?

Enough for now.

Gerry








From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 20 13:48:11 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:48:11 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] April 14th Action v Climate Change: Step It
	Up	2007
References: <20070320151907.51788.qmail@web52211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4600488B.7090905@earthlink.net>


What I want to do depends on what the existing options are.
The website provides a way of finding events based on zip code,
but my browser keeps crashing before I get very far.  I have
found that there are 2 events in Palo Alto, so I may just go
to one of them.

Gerry


JamBoi wrote:

> I hadn't heard of it, but it sounds good.  So what do we want to do?
> 
> Impeach for Peace!
> 
> Drew
> 
> --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>I did not hear about this action until two or three days
>>ago when I stumbled across it doing a search for "global
>>warming".  Has anyone else heard of this?
>>
>>    
>>http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/01/24/stepitup/index.html
>>
>>Gerry
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>
> 
> 
> ___________________
> 
> JamBoi
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> 
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> 
> 
>  
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Finding fabulous fares is fun.  
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> 




From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 14:28:31 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:28:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas
In-Reply-To: <46004881.9070707@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070320212831.52830.qmail@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The most important thing for us to focus on for the Strategy Committee
retreat kickoff is how we are going to field a *full set* of
candidates, not navel-gazing about the past.  Who will we get to run
for County Supervisor, for State Assembly, for State Senator, for
Congress.  This is not about brainstorming, but laying out firm plans
for creating the first Green County in the country (playing off of
Tian's idea).

As far as recruiting and retention goes I have two sentences to say
that cover it quite completely and nothing more need be said:  
1) If we build it they will come. (ie. we need actual campaigns for
people to get excited about and participation, not just to talk about
issues)
2) If we operate in a healthy, positive manner they will continue and
they will invite their friends. (In the past there has been overly much
negativity, pessimism, snippiness and lack of social grace.  If we just
operate in an adult manner we'll be fine and no South African Truth
Commission Inquiries into why people left in the past are necessary. 
Leave the past behind people.  Where are we going tommorrow?)

Our goal is to become a major party in our county!  How will we reach
that goal?  Simple: by fielding good candidates and by doing excellent
precinct work.  The Dempublicans do not do a particularly good job of
these two functions in SCC so we have an opening we can exploit.

Our retreat needs to focus on how we are going to recruit good
candidates.  For example, I have asked Peter Drekmeier (whom I've
worked with for years) if he's ready to move to a real peace party -
the Green Party of SCC.  Let's all try to think along these lines and
see which excellent candidates we can recruit, field and win with in
'07 and '08.

And by the way, it is through our locals, not through the county
organization that we'll get most of our precinct workers.  Think about
it people, we are *supposed* to be the ultimate local issues party and
if we just live out our values of decentralization we will be extremely
successful against the centrally controlled Dempublicans!\

"Organize, Energize, Coalize!"

Drew

--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> I can't think of any solutions or suggestions right now, but
> here are some miscellaneous thoughts.
> 
> I share Jim's concerns (3/11) about having a retreat with a
> lot of brainstorming leading to actions that quickly fizzle
> out.  I certainly would like to do something different.
> 
> I agree with Wes (3/11) re recruiting volunteers, with a
> caveat.  As coco of the GPCA CC, I was so overwhelmed that I
> never found the time to train anyone.  And maybe some people
> are not good at training.  So the idea of training
> replacements is good, but may be difficult in practice.
> 
> I guess Drew (3/11) is correct that asking former GP members
> why they left is risky, but I think that the risk is worth it.
> If you don't know why people have left, how can you act
> differently to reduce the departures?  (This is a specific
> example of an important general rule "If you don't know why
> something is broken, you are unlikely to know how to fix it?")
> 
> ...
> 
> I think one of the most important aspects of why a lot of
> time gets wasted is that we often talk about things we agree
> should be done, but there is no followup because there is
> no "champion", no one who is willing to spend time and effort
> to make it happen.  If there is no champion for an item,
> then it should be dropped or tabled.  As Peggy Lewis (former
> GPCA CC coco) liked to say, "You plead, you lead".  Or as I
> have heard elsewhere "If it is to be, it is up to me".  Maybe
> this falls under "personal responsibility".
> 
> Another factor, in my opinion, is that there is more than a
> little negativity.  By that I mean too much criticism and
> not enough support for good ideas and actions.  This is bad
> for morale, which is bad for positive participation.  (But
> I admit that the GPSCC is nowhere near as bad as the GPCA CC.)
> 
> I remember reading somewhere "Begin with the end in mind.".
> The idea is that you start with determining what the ultimate
> goal is, then work backwards.  And what is our ultimate goal?
> I don't know, do you?  For me personally it is a combination of
> 1) achieve sustainability with the least amount of pain getting
>     there
> 2) preserving and strengthening democracy
> 3) justice for all
> 4) maybe something else I have forgotten?
> But already that may be too complex.  Yes?  No?
> And I am sure that others on this list have different goals.
> 
> If you want people to join and be active in the GP, it might
> be a good idea to ask "What can we do to make the GP attractive
> to more people"?
> 
> We have a mystery which gets in the way.  All of us have had
> the experience of talking to others about an issue (e.g. Iraq,
> taxes, spoiler effect) and not comprehending why they resist
> or disagree with what is "obvious" to us.  Sometimes they are
> friends or family.  Can we make sufficient progress without
> better understanding that resistance?
> 
> What do we have to learn from Lakoff's framing thoery?
> 
> Enough for now.
> 
> Gerry

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 14:31:43 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Cameron's Saturday's Hike if weather bad??? Re:
	Tech Museum
In-Reply-To: <4600100D.9090704@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20070320213143.37479.qmail@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Cameron, the Saturday hike could have a backup in case of bad weather
going to the Tech.  What do you think?  What time are we meeting and
where are we hiking otherwise?

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> I would recommend two things going on at the Tech Museum of
> Innovation 
> in San Jose right now. Actually, both have been going on for a while
> but 
> they are very much about what being Green means.
> 
> First, there is an exhibit entitled "Green by Design".  You can read 
> about it here. http://www.thetech.org/exhibits/green_by_design/
> 
> The second thing I would recommend is the IMAX theater presentation 
> Hurricane on the Bayou.
> You can find show times 
> here:http://www.thetech.org/imax/filmdetail/?movie=HOB&ref=current
> 
> Hurricane on the Bayou is an immaginative wasy to '"bring the focus
> to 
> the rapidly disappearing wetlands that are New Orleans??? first line
> of 
> defense against deadly storms. Vanishing at an astonishing rate of
> one 
> acre every 38 minutes according to the U.S. Geological Survey, the 
> wealth, cultural vitality and very future of New Orleans depend on
> the 
> preservation of these wetlands."
> 
> If you consider the importance of the wetlands to New Orleans, we
> should 
> also consider the importance of the California Delta to this entire
> state.
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Tue Mar 20 17:11:17 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:11:17 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Go see "An Unreasonable Man" LAST DAY THUSDAY.
In-Reply-To: <45FB757F.1070401@freeshell.org>
References: <45FB757F.1070401@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <93A03982-8CAA-42AF-ABAA-7D050EE82CAD@duendevision.com>

I was going to see it Tuesday or Wednesday which was your original  
statement, but Nooooooooo you couldn't wait. So now I'm going to go  
down there myself tonight and see it at the 6:45 show. If I recal  
there's free parking for the theatre.. yes? (I won't ask Gerry or  
Tian that :-) If any body else plans on going tonight, give me a ring  
if you like. 650.520.5853

Peace'
'Duende
'


On Mar 16, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Fred Duperrault wrote:

> We, Lois and I, saw the movie during the 6:45 showing today, but  
> missed
> the first five or ten minutes. About 20 people were in attendance.
>
> It gets your motor going.
>
> Fred
>
>
> I saw it this afternoon.
>
> I highly recommend it.
>
> They said it is playing through 3/22 (Thursday).
>
> I saw 5 people leave at the end of the previous
> showing.  There were 5 people (including me)
> during the showing I saw.  I asked one couple
> what brought them there, and they said an email
> from a friend.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From alexcathy at aol.com  Tue Mar 20 19:39:19 2007
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:39:19 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
In-Reply-To: <000b01c76b0c$5f074500$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>
Message-ID: <8C9397942E6824E-1518-9269@FWM-M19.sysops.aol.com>

 Dear Green Friends, 
 
 Rob Means wrote: 
 "We could get a bigger bang for our buck by giving

out thousands of electric bikes and scooters"I have to say: That is a really radical idea. And I do mean "radical" in the best sense of the word: gets to the "root" of the problem. 
 
 
  -----Original Message-----
 From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com
 To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
 Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 9:25 AM
 Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
 
  After 6 years of pointing out the benefits of Personal Rapid Transit

(PRT) to the VTA Board and staff, I'm very cynical about them doing

anything outside their box.  They use 19th century technology (LRT) to

solve 21st century transportation problems created by the automobile

because the federal government doles out money for it.  

That may make some financial sense, but when you throw in the operating

costs, low ridership and near zero impact on car congestion, it looks

like a boondoggle.  We could get a bigger bang for our buck by giving

out thousands of electric bikes and scooters.



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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 22:18:47 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:18:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Go see "An Unreasonable Man" LAST DAY THUSDAY.
In-Reply-To: <93A03982-8CAA-42AF-ABAA-7D050EE82CAD@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <20070321051847.97780.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Everyone go see it!  I saw it on Sunday (was supposed to be with Kaisha
and Merriam, but it ended up just being me).  There were six others in
the theater and I gave them all free copies of The Green Pages (that
just so happens to have an interview with both Nader AND the
documentarians). :-)  One lady I talked to said she used to work with
Nader!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew



--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> I was going to see it Tuesday or Wednesday which was your original  
> statement, but Nooooooooo you couldn't wait. So now I'm going to go  
> down there myself tonight and see it at the 6:45 show. If I recal  
> there's free parking for the theatre.. yes? (I won't ask Gerry or  
> Tian that :-) If any body else plans on going tonight, give me a ring
>  
> if you like. 650.520.5853
> 
> Peace'
> 'Duende
> '
> 
> 
> On Mar 16, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Fred Duperrault wrote:
> 
> > We, Lois and I, saw the movie during the 6:45 showing today, but  
> > missed
> > the first five or ten minutes. About 20 people were in attendance.
> >
> > It gets your motor going.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > I saw it this afternoon.
> >
> > I highly recommend it.
> >
> > They said it is playing through 3/22 (Thursday).
> >
> > I saw 5 people leave at the end of the previous
> > showing.  There were 5 people (including me)
> > during the showing I saw.  I asked one couple
> > what brought them there, and they said an email
> > from a friend.
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >
> >
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> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> ____________________________________
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> The objective of life is Joy
> The result of life is Growth
> - Abraham, 1989
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 21 10:22:45 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:22:45 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] county council meeting
Message-ID: <460169E5.5090002@sbcglobal.net>

Tentatatively, the county council of the Green Party of Santa Clara
County has scheduled a meeting for Sunday March 25-th at 3 pm
in the home of Jim Doyle.

We welcome your suggestions.




From danasg at greens.org  Wed Mar 21 12:08:31 2007
From: danasg at greens.org (Dana St. George)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:08:31 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Palo Alto Daily Article]
Message-ID: 460182AF.4040500@greens.org

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From egroups at duendevision.com  Wed Mar 21 12:16:14 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:16:14 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Go see "An Unreasonable Man" LAST DAY THUSDAY.
In-Reply-To: <20070321051847.97780.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20070321051847.97780.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1EEB5D12-7070-45FD-975B-6A54856D566D@duendevision.com>

This is a must see. I've never had a regret voting for Nader but this  
affirms it in a hundred ways.

When the movie was over the 2 dozen people were quiet. I waited to  
see if any one would clap first. No one did so I did and also said  
"Yeah!!!" quite loud. There was a spontaneous burst of cheering from  
all around.

We need more than 2 dozen to reach the critical mass needed to effect  
the tipping point for change but I'm glad I clapped.


Peace

Duende


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 14:36:39 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:36:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Saturday's protest in PA = 350+,
	SJ 225 Re:  [Fwd: Palo Alto Daily Article]
In-Reply-To: 460182AF.4040500@greens.org
Message-ID: <921076.56317.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

350 in PA (according to paper, which means what? 500?), Nice!  Merriam
estimated 225 (I think) in SJ at Stevens Creek and Winchester on
Saturday.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew
 
--- "Dana St. George" <danasg at greens.org> wrote:

> > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:22:40 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ed &/or Janet Hale <ejhale at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Palo Alto Daily Article
> To: ed &/or janet hale <ejhale at sbcglobal.net>
> 
> Grannies - Here is the PA Daily Article - Janet
> 
> http://www.paloaltodailynews.com/article/2007-3-18-pa-march
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 14:38:12 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:38:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Go see "An Unreasonable Man" LAST DAY THUSDAY.
In-Reply-To: <1EEB5D12-7070-45FD-975B-6A54856D566D@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <417652.24640.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Merriam and Wendy, have you gone yet???  Everyone else???  Go!!!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> This is a must see. I've never had a regret voting for Nader but this
>  
> affirms it in a hundred ways.
> 
> When the movie was over the 2 dozen people were quiet. I waited to  
> see if any one would clap first. No one did so I did and also said  
> "Yeah!!!" quite loud. There was a spontaneous burst of cheering from 
> 
> all around.
> 
> We need more than 2 dozen to reach the critical mass needed to effect
>  
> the tipping point for change but I'm glad I clapped.
> 
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> ____________________________________
> The basis of life is Freedom
> The objective of life is Joy
> The result of life is Growth
> - Abraham, 1989
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 14:41:16 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:41:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Now Imperative: Paul Craig Roberts:
	Domestic Spying Revelations Make...
Message-ID: <463267.16946.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Paul Craig Roberts: Domestic Spying Revelations Make Impeachment Now
Imperative
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:45:40 -0500


http://mrspickles.wordpress.com/2007/03/20/paul-craig-roberts-domestic-spying-revelations-make-impeachment-now-imperative/
Paul Craig Roberts: Domestic Spying Revelations Make Impeachment Now
Imperative
Posted by mrspickles on March 20th, 2007

 While serving as President Bush's White House lawyer, Alberto Gonzales
advised Bush that the president's war time powers permitted Bush to
ignore the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and to use the
National Security Agency (NSA) to spy on US citizens without obtaining
warrants from the FISA court as required by law. Under an order signed
by Bush in 2002, NSA illegally spied on Americans without warrants. 

By spying on Americans without obtaining warrants, Bush committed
felonies under FISA. Moreover, there is strong, indeed overwhelming,
evidence that justice was obstructed when Bush and Gonzales blocked a
2006 Justice Department investigation into whether Gonzales acted
properly as Attorney General in approving and overseeing the Bush
administration's program of spying on US citizens. 

Also at issue is whether Gonzales acted properly in advising Bush to
kill an investigation of Gonzales' professional actions with regard to
the NSA spy program.

We are faced with the almost certain fact that the two highest law
enforcement officials of the United States are criminals.

The evidence that Bush and Gonzales have obstructed justice comes from
internal Justice Department memos and exchanges of letters between the
Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR), an
investigative office, and members of Congress. The documents were
leaked to the National Journal, and the story was reported in the March
15, 2007, issue by Murray Waas, who also relied on interviews with both
current and former high ranking DOJ officials. 

Ten months previously on May 25, 2006, Waas broke the story in the
National Journal about the derailing of the OPR investigation. [
Internal Affairs |Aborted DOJ Probe Probably Would Have Targeted
Gonzales By Murray Waas, National Journal March 15, 2007]

A criminal political administration has no choice but to keep everyone
on a short leash in order to keep its illegal acts under wraps. 

Americans have never experienced an administration so replete with
crimes as the Bush Regime. 

This criminal regime must now be brought to an end. Impeachments of
Bush, Cheney, and Gonzales, 
followed by felony indictments and trials are imperative if the rule of
law in the United States is 
to be preserved

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 16:29:56 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:29:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] April 14th Action v Climate Change: Step It
	Up 2007
In-Reply-To: <4600488B.7090905@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <137181.60426.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

okay, but as the mighty, mighty GPSCC we don't have to wait for others,
we can (and need to) initiate our own actions.  So what I'm asking is
"what would make a good action to mark this occasion?" Suggestions
please? And this question is for everyone, not just Gerry.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew



--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> What I want to do depends on what the existing options are.
> The website provides a way of finding events based on zip code,
> but my browser keeps crashing before I get very far.  I have
> found that there are 2 events in Palo Alto, so I may just go
> to one of them.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > I hadn't heard of it, but it sounds good.  So what do we want to
> do?
> > 
> > Impeach for Peace!
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>I did not hear about this action until two or three days
> >>ago when I stumbled across it doing a search for "global
> >>warming".  Has anyone else heard of this?
> >>
> >>    
> >>http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/01/24/stepitup/index.html
> >>
> >>Gerry
> >>
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> >>
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> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> > 
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >
>
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 17:12:12 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:12:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] RSVP 4 Cameron's Saturday's Hike: Nibbs' Nob Meet
	at SJ Civic Center @ 9:30A
Message-ID: <457598.62896.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Greens, Please RSVP for Cameron's Monthly Hike.

Here's Cameron's Hike for this upcoming Saturday March 24th:

Destination: Nibbs' Knob (approaching from Uvas Canyon County Park
Meetup Time: 
 1) Time For Silicon Valleyites:  9:30A*  
  Place: San Jose Civic Center parking lot ( SE Corner ) @ 1st &
Hedding
 2) For those wanting to meet @ Uvas: 10:30ish (please be  
   patient as we'll need to be flexible to herd all our Green cats)
  Place: Uvas Canyon County Park parking lot

Bring: 
 Hiking Boots/shoes (seriously!  not tennies)
 *wool* socks (cotton = blisters)
 Sun block (Cameron reports considerable sun exposure on some parts of
the hike)
 Sun glasses
 Bag lunch! 
 Camera
 Yourself and a friend!

Weather Forecast: Partly Cloudy high 73, low 50, 10% of rain.  Doesn't
look like we'll need to go for our back up plan of The Tech Museum, but
we've got that option if we need it.

* Note: We'll commit to waiting no longer than 10:15 and then we're
going to carpool to Uvas with whoever has joined us.  If everyone who's
RSVPed makes it by 10, we'll take off earlier.  So speak up and let us
know if you're coming so we know to look for you!

More on Hike:
http://www.bahiker.com/southbayhikes/uvas.html
"The toughest hikes in the park are the treks to Nibbs Knob and
Knobcone Point...Nibbs Knob is a 3.6 mile out-and-back hike with a gain
of about 1400 feet..." 

http://www.mnn.net/knob.htm

Greens = GO!

Drew

--- JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Cameron, the Saturday hike could have a backup in case of bad weather
> going to the Tech.  What do you think?  What time are we meeting and
> where are we hiking otherwise?
> 
> Impeach for Peace!
> 
> Drew
> 
> --- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> > I would recommend two things going on at the Tech Museum of
> > Innovation in San Jose right now. Actually, both have been going on
for a while but they are very much about what being Green means.
> > 
> > First, there is an exhibit entitled "Green by Design".  You can
> read about it here. http://www.thetech.org/exhibits/green_by_design/
> > 
> > The second thing I would recommend is the IMAX theater presentation
> 
> > Hurricane on the Bayou.
> > You can find show times 
> > here:http://www.thetech.org/imax/filmdetail/?movie=HOB&ref=current
> > 
> > Hurricane on the Bayou is an immaginative wasy to '"bring the focus
> > to the rapidly disappearing wetlands that are New Orleans??? first
> line of defense against deadly storms. Vanishing at an astonishing
rate of one acre every 38 minutes according to the U.S. Geological
Survey, the wealth, cultural vitality and very future of New Orleans
depend on the preservation of these wetlands."
> > 
> > If you consider the importance of the wetlands to New Orleans, we
> > should also consider the importance of the California Delta to this
entire state.


___________________

JamBoi
The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JamBoi

The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
"To the brave belong all things"

Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Mar 21 17:36:03 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:36:03 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
In-Reply-To: <000b01c76b0c$5f074500$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>
References: <000b01c76b0c$5f074500$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>
Message-ID: <D7D9A7BC-C11A-4D1A-9EE6-79BDDA497C3E@cagreens.org>

Rob,
I think that public transportation is just that, public AND a public  
service.  I think the less we charge and the more we support with  
taxes, the better.  We can clear a lot of cars off the road,  
including the Outreach cars that deliver seniors here and there, and  
get people hooked on letting someone else do the driving so they can  
knit, read, talk, etc.  We can clear the air faster; slow down the  
destruction of the  fertile valley floor (what's left of it), the  
farms (what's left of those), valued old buildings; ease our horrific  
traffic congestion; slow down damage to roads and highways; require  
fewer patrolmen; use up fewer hours of fire truck time; involve fewer  
people in accidents and ER repairs; and begin to empty parking lots.   
All of which will have a salutory effect on health for kids and  
seniors; in particular, asthma rates and other immune problems due to  
PMs/pollution.

We forget the horrible price we all pay for petrol-based  
transportation?and in real dollars.
Andrea


On Mar 20, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Rob Means wrote:

> After 6 years of pointing out the benefits of Personal Rapid Transit
> (PRT) to the VTA Board and staff, I'm very cynical about them doing
> anything outside their box.  They use 19th century technology (LRT) to
> solve 21st century transportation problems created by the automobile
> because the federal government doles out money for it.
> That may make some financial sense, but when you throw in the  
> operating
> costs, low ridership and near zero impact on car congestion, it looks
> like a boondoggle.  We could get a bigger bang for our buck by giving
> out thousands of electric bikes and scooters.
>
> Check the following link for an alternative to the (overly) expensive
> BART extension.  For about one-tenth the price, we can serve about  
> half
> the demand (which goes between the Fremont BART station and the Great
> Mall LRT station) and provide better service all along the route.
> http://www.electric-bikes.com/ciscofield.htm
>
> As for getting VTA bus service "up to snuff", how do you propose  
> paying
> for it?  Right now, the farebox only covers 20% of the operating  
> costs.
> Restoring recently-cut services requires money that the VTA claims not
> to have.
>
> Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
> 408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
> 1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
> Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
> ---
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
> To: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>,	sosfbay discussion group
> 	<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Message-ID: <472474.76245.qm at web52215.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Locally we need to work on the VTA to get their service up to snuff.
> There are many adjustments to the routes taken, additional community
> bus runs,  speeding up of the Light Rail and killing the rediculously
> expensive BART extension in favor rail service (a fraction of the  
> cost)
> that could all make going car free in SCC *much* more workable.
>
> There is a VTA Rider's Union e-mail list that is moderately  
> active.  We
> (the GPSCC) could support this coalitional effort!  Here's the  
> eddress:
> http://www.vtaridersunion.org/
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
> --- Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Andrea wrote
>>
>> One of the issues that Nader used to talk about was that of
>> "facilities."  Without a decent and affordable transportation system,
>>
>> IMHO, we haven't the "facilities" to allow very many people to go car
>>
>> free.
>> Andrea
>>
>> My response is
>> granted, we do not have the "facilities."
>> So, how do we get them?  What do we do?
>>
>> earlier email was
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:19:43 -0700
> From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
> To: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Message-ID: <D89D5F4D-234F-46B5-9A2D-247B0DD33165 at cagreens.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes;
> 	format=flowed
>
> I agree with Drew about bringing the services we have up to European
> standards (my term, not his).
>
> We also need to get multiple methods of transportation, including
> BART, going around the Bay Area and make it as user friendly as
> possible?that, IMHO, means allowing car/gas slaves to park their
> monsters for free until we have them hooked and out of their gas-
> guzzlers.  We cannot set impossibly high standards for people who are
> just starting to cope with $3.50/gallon and the reality of global
> warming.  It's going to be a gradual process.
>
> Andi
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 21 21:13:39 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:13:39 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A much more fuel efficient car ....
Message-ID: <46020273.1010303@earthlink.net>


... but Detroit is resisting it as usual:

"The Car of Tomorrow Is Here Today"
     http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0321-23.htm

Gerry



From gyral at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 21:02:10 2007
From: gyral at yahoo.com (Sam Rafter)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Go see "An Unreasonable Man" LAST DAY THUSDAY.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.33.1174507215.1165.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <460269.73956.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I try to refrain from "ME TOO" messages, but here you go.  I caught a 9:20 PM
showing on Monday, and my party of three had the theater to ourself.  I
apologize if this has been suggested before, but I would happily contribute to
a gesture for Ron Regalia for showing the film.  I don't think I can bring
enough people to the film to make it profitable for him to have run the film.

Cheers!

-Sam

> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:16:14 -0700
> From: Duende <egroups at duendevision.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Go see "An Unreasonable Man" LAST DAY
> 	THUSDAY.
> To: Green South Bay Discussion <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Message-ID: <1EEB5D12-7070-45FD-975B-6A54856D566D at duendevision.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
> 
> This is a must see. I've never had a regret voting for Nader but this  
> affirms it in a hundred ways.
> 
> When the movie was over the 2 dozen people were quiet. I waited to  
> see if any one would clap first. No one did so I did and also said  
> "Yeah!!!" quite loud. There was a spontaneous burst of cheering from  
> all around.
> 
> We need more than 2 dozen to reach the critical mass needed to effect  
> the tipping point for change but I'm glad I clapped.
> 
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> ____________________________________
> The basis of life is Freedom
> The objective of life is Joy
> The result of life is Growth
> - Abraham, 1989
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> End of sosfbay-discuss Digest, Vol 19, Issue 65
> ***********************************************
> 



 
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From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Mar 22 08:46:38 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:46:38 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Gonzales
Message-ID: <4602A4DE.3000406@charter.net>

The political circus that has pitched it's tent in Washington over the 
firing of US Attorneys is a great diversion from the Iraq War 
supplemental funding bill.   However, we should not lose site of two 
important issues.

First, that there is not question that the motivation in the firing of 
these specific US DA's was politically motivated.  Documents released so 
far show that the criteria for being a "good" DA was "loyalty to the 
President", not loyalty to the US Constitution.

It is also clear that California's Republican Congressmen were after the 
scalp of USDA Carol Lam for not paying enough attention to the 
prosecution of "criminal alien."  Maybe that was because she was 
prosecuting criminal Republican Congressmen.  It is ironic that one of 
the signatories of a letter to Attorney General Gonzales was "Duke" 
Cunningham. (Text of letter is here: 
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/duke-lam-letter/?resultpage=1&)

The second point is that the presidential offer, to allow Karl Rove to 
discuss the issue with the House and Senate committees behind closed 
doors, not under oath and with no transcript, indicates that they do not 
want the public to know what is going on.  I have seen most of the major 
media, including ABC's Diane Sawyer this AM, frame the question (To Tony 
Snow-job) as "if you have nothing to hide, why won't they testify under 
oath?"  I would rather she had said that the public has a right to know 
what is going on.  Public testimony would show how every single action 
by anyone in Washington is decided not by it's moral correctness, or 
even by whether is is good the the country, but strictly by the single 
criteria of what political advantage can we gain by doing this.


-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 22 09:20:48 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] RSVP 4 Cameron's Saturday's Hike: Nibbs' Nob Meet
	at SJ Civic Center @ 9:30A
Message-ID: <402166.10139.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Dear Greens, Please RSVP for Cameron's Monthly Hike.

Here's Cameron's Hike for this upcoming Saturday March 24th:

Destination: Nibbs' Knob (approaching from Uvas Canyon County Park
Meetup Time: 
 1) Time For Silicon Valleyites:  9:30A*  
  Place: San Jose Civic Center parking lot ( SE Corner ) @ 1st &
Hedding
 2) For those wanting to meet @ Uvas: 10:30ish (please be  
   patient as we'll need to be flexible to herd all our Green cats)
  Place: Uvas Canyon County Park parking lot

Bring: 
 Hiking Boots/shoes (seriously!  not tennies)
 *wool* socks (cotton = blisters)
 Sun block (Cameron reports considerable sun exposure on some parts of
the hike)
 Sun glasses
 Bag lunch! 
 Camera
 Yourself and a friend!

Weather Forecast: Partly Cloudy high 73, low 50, 10% of rain.  Doesn't
look like we'll need to go for our back up plan of The Tech Museum, but
we've got that option if we need it.

* Note: We'll commit to waiting no longer than 10:15 and then we're
going to carpool to Uvas with whoever has joined us.  If everyone who's
RSVPed makes it by 10, we'll take off earlier.  So speak up and let us
know if you're coming so we know to look for you!

More on Hike:
http://www.bahiker.com/southbayhikes/uvas.html
"The toughest hikes in the park are the treks to Nibbs Knob and
Knobcone Point...Nibbs Knob is a 3.6 mile out-and-back hike with a gain
of about 1400 feet..." 

http://www.mnn.net/knob.htm

Greens = GO!

Drew

--- JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Cameron, the Saturday hike could have a backup in case of bad weather
> going to the Tech.  What do you think?  What time are we meeting and
> where are we hiking otherwise?
> > Impeach for Peace!
> > Drew
> > --- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:
> > > I would recommend two things going on at the Tech Museum of
> > Innovation in San Jose right now. Actually, both have been going on
for a while but they are very much about what being Green means.
> > > > First, there is an exhibit entitled "Green by Design".  You can
> read about it here. http://www.thetech.org/exhibits/green_by_design/
> > > > The second thing I would recommend is the IMAX theater
presentation
> > > Hurricane on the Bayou.
> > You can find show times 
> > here:http://www.thetech.org/imax/filmdetail/?movie=HOB&ref=current
> > > > Hurricane on the Bayou is an immaginative wasy to '"bring the
focus
> > to the rapidly disappearing wetlands that are New Orleans??? first
> line of defense against deadly storms. Vanishing at an astonishing
rate of one acre every 38 minutes according to the U.S. Geological
Survey, the wealth, cultural vitality and very future of New Orleans
depend on the preservation of these wetlands."
> > > > If you consider the importance of the wetlands to New Orleans,
we
> > should also consider the importance of the California Delta to this
entire state.

___________________

JamBoi
The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JamBoi

The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
"To the brave belong all things"

Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Thu Mar 22 12:06:00 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:06:00 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] 4 years later, we are still marching....
Message-ID: <4602D398.5010609@ispwest.com>

Hello Y'all,

The past week has been very busy for me. Instead of participating in
one march, there were three in three days. Saturday it was Palo Alto:

http://tian.greens.org/PaloAlto/March17th2007/index.html

Sunday the Sierra Club led one in Redwood City for cool cities:

http://tian.greens.org/SanMateoCounty/CoolCities07/index.html

Monday the Los Altos Voices for Peace held a touching memorial:

http://tian.greens.org/SantaClaraCounty/LosAltos/index.html

Thinking back over these events, I'm touched by how strategic
the use of the internet has gotten since the begining of Bush's
illegal reign of error. I know for a fact that a lot of people heard
about them from emails and the web, particularly in Los Altos.

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added Iraq 4th Aniverary events I attended.



From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Thu Mar 22 12:48:02 2007
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:48:02 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
In-Reply-To: <D7D9A7BC-C11A-4D1A-9EE6-79BDDA497C3E@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <000501c76cbb$02e0ce80$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>

Andrea,

Perhaps I gave the wrong impression.  I favor public/clean/efficient
transportation options.  I'm aggrieved that the chosen modes (BART and
LRT) cost so much and produce such poor results.  We can do much better.
VTA, as an organization and a process, tends to ignore modern transit
options.  And jitneys. And CNG buses.  And the synergies of a campaign
promoting electric bikes, trikes and scooters.  And (while I'm ranting)
VTA should give us back bike lanes and the right to walk on the
expressways that they took away.

Clearly, cleaning the air is important to public health.  Based on
results, however, the big bucks we're spending on LRT are not helping
clean the air because even more cars are coming to dirty it.  To
paraphrase something I read this morning, it's not that we're not doing
something; it's that we're not doing nearly enough.  In the 90's was the
time to think incrementally.  Now, the crises are so looming that big
changes are required - and quickly.  

Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Dorey [mailto:andid at cagreens.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:36 PM
To: Rob Means
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free

Rob,
I think that public transportation is just that, public AND a public  
service.  I think the less we charge and the more we support with  
taxes, the better.  We can clear a lot of cars off the road,  
including the Outreach cars that deliver seniors here and there, and  
get people hooked on letting someone else do the driving so they can  
knit, read, talk, etc.  We can clear the air faster; slow down the  
destruction of the  fertile valley floor (what's left of it), the  
farms (what's left of those), valued old buildings; ease our horrific  
traffic congestion; slow down damage to roads and highways; require  
fewer patrolmen; use up fewer hours of fire truck time; involve fewer  
people in accidents and ER repairs; and begin to empty parking lots.   
All of which will have a salutory effect on health for kids and  
seniors; in particular, asthma rates and other immune problems due to  
PMs/pollution.

We forget the horrible price we all pay for petrol-based  
transportation-and in real dollars.
Andrea


On Mar 20, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Rob Means wrote:

> After 6 years of pointing out the benefits of Personal Rapid Transit
> (PRT) to the VTA Board and staff, I'm very cynical about them doing
> anything outside their box.  They use 19th century technology (LRT) to
> solve 21st century transportation problems created by the automobile
> because the federal government doles out money for it.
> That may make some financial sense, but when you throw in the  
> operating
> costs, low ridership and near zero impact on car congestion, it looks
> like a boondoggle.  We could get a bigger bang for our buck by giving
> out thousands of electric bikes and scooters.
>
> Check the following link for an alternative to the (overly) expensive
> BART extension.  For about one-tenth the price, we can serve about  
> half
> the demand (which goes between the Fremont BART station and the Great
> Mall LRT station) and provide better service all along the route.
> http://www.electric-bikes.com/ciscofield.htm
>
> As for getting VTA bus service "up to snuff", how do you propose  
> paying
> for it?  Right now, the farebox only covers 20% of the operating  
> costs.
> Restoring recently-cut services requires money that the VTA claims not
> to have.
>
> Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
> 408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
> 1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
> Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> --




From tnharter at ispwest.com  Thu Mar 22 14:11:58 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:11:58 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] iComedy from FOX
Message-ID: <4602F11E.3020302@ispwest.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM_MkWgbt3k

Why would they want to blend Jobs and Bush?

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added Iraq 4th Aniverary events I attended.



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 23 11:09:48 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:09:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tonight 6:30P 1st Unitarian of SJ: Iran: the
	Danger of War -- Our Challenge: to Prevent It
Message-ID: <135010.23196.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Note: Rich Wood is one of the Faculty Advisors for the new De Anza
Greens.  He also was the initiator of last year's Colin Powell protest
at De Anza College!!!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

http://bapd.org/n8306.html

Iran: the Danger of War -- Our Challenge: to Prevent It

Panel discussion
Speakers include Larry Everest, Rich Wood, Iranian Americans Against
the War, and others
Friday, March 23
First Unitarian Church of San Jose
160 N. Third St.
6:30 p.m. refreshments and socializing
7:00 p.m. Panel discussion

The U.S. plans to control all the energy resources of the Middle East
through brutal war. In 2003, Iran proposed a comprehensive ?grand
bargain? to the U.S. but the Bush administration ignored it. Iran has
no nuclear weapons and is not a threat to the U.S.!
Sponsored by South Bay Mobilization
www.sbm4peace.org

___________________

JamBoi
The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JamBoi

The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
"To the brave belong all things"

Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 23 11:47:02 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:47:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] 3 Greens arrested in longrunning 'Peace-In' in
	Sacramento
Message-ID: <723116.76739.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Someone please forward this to the SBM list and other places where
people appreciate nonviolent resistance to war!

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE / 

News Conference Advisory

Friday, March 23, 2007  
Contact: Cres Vellucci, Coalition to End War, 916-996-9170  

ATTN: NEWS DESK

3 Greens arrested in longrunning 'Peace-In' in California's capital

7 arrested in Rep. Matsui's office protesting
war in Iraq; Vets, others say they intend 
to subpoena lawmaker at their trial

SACRAMENTO ? Rep. Doris Matsui, D-Sacramento, may be subpoenaed as a
result of the arrest late Thursday of seven people ? including four
veterans and three members of the Green Party of California ? at
Matsui's offices here as they attempted to read the names of U.S. dead
in Iraq, according to a spokesperson for the Sacramento Coalition to
End the War. 

The seven were arrested for refusing to obey the orders of a federal
police officer, and released on their own recognizance. The trial date
has not been set.

"Doris Matsui's decision to support legislation that continues to fund
this war, and guarantees our troops in Iraq for at least another 18
months - and probably much longer - is despicable," said Cres Vellucci,
the Green Party of California press secretary, Vietnam veteran and one
of those arrested.


The arrests came at the end of eight hours of reading of the names of
the more than 3,200 U.S. war dead inside Matsui's office. More than 30
people participated. It was the 52nd straight day of a "peace-in" at
Matsui's office ? the longest occupation of its kind in the country by
those opposed to the Iraq war. The "peace-in" started Jan. 8.

"Our crime, if there was one, was attempting to talk with this Democrat
who claims she is opposed to the war, but because of political benefit
for her party, decided to doom US troops, and Iraqi innocents, to death
and injury by the thousands," said Vellucci.

The House is expected to vote Friday on $100 billion new war funding
bill. Matsui says she will vote for more war monies, and a Rep. Nancy
Pelosi amendment that would extend the war by at least 18 more months,
or more.

Peace advocates said they want the funding bill defeated outright, or
approved only if troops will begin to come back to the U.S. now and be
out
of Iraq before the end of the year. Matsui has refused to agree to
that.
-30-






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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 23 13:04:26 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:04:26 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Iran Discussion Tonight
References: <135010.23196.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <460432CA.7050604@earthlink.net>


I think this issue re a possible Iran attack is one
of the most important issues right now, even more
important than any of the stuff about Iraq.

I (and Fred and Dana) went to the one in Berkeley, and
I will probably go to this one.

Gerry


JamBoi wrote:

> Note: Rich Wood is one of the Faculty Advisors for the new De Anza
> Greens.  He also was the initiator of last year's Colin Powell protest
> at De Anza College!!!
> 
> Impeach for Peace!
> 
> Drew
> 
> http://bapd.org/n8306.html
> 
> Iran: the Danger of War -- Our Challenge: to Prevent It
> 
> Panel discussion
> Speakers include Larry Everest, Rich Wood, Iranian Americans Against
> the War, and others
> Friday, March 23
> First Unitarian Church of San Jose
> 160 N. Third St.
> 6:30 p.m. refreshments and socializing
> 7:00 p.m. Panel discussion
> 
> The U.S. plans to control all the energy resources of the Middle East
> through brutal war. In 2003, Iran proposed a comprehensive grand
> bargain to the U.S. but the Bush administration ignored it. Iran has
> no nuclear weapons and is not a threat to the U.S.!
> Sponsored by South Bay Mobilization
> www.sbm4peace.org
> 
> ___________________
> 
> JamBoi
> The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
> See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JamBoi
> 
> The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
> "To the brave belong all things"
> 
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> 
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> 
> 
>  
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From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Mar 23 12:45:52 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:45:52 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss]  Iran Discussion Tonight
In-Reply-To: <135010.23196.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <135010.23196.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46042E70.8070203@freeshell.org>

Talk about this:

My understanding - or misunderstanding - is that in the $100 Billion. 
plus, Supplemental Bill that will fund the continuing of the Iraq war 
for more than a year, is a stipulation that would permit the president 
to attack Iran without consulting Congress.

If that is still in the bill, how come it isn't considered as dangerous 
as extending occupation of Iraq for another year?  Why isn't there more 
concern?

What is the take on this?

Fred D.


  I think this issue re a possible Iran attack is one
of the most important issues right now, even more
important than any of the stuff about Iraq.

I (and Fred and Dana) went to the one in Berkeley, and
I will probably go to this one.

Gerry


JamBoi wrote:

> Note: Rich Wood is one of the Faculty Advisors for the new De Anza
> Greens.  He also was the initiator of last year's Colin Powell protest
> at De Anza College!!!
> 
> Impeach for Peace!
> 
> Drew
> 
> http://bapd.org/n8306.html
> 
> Iran: the Danger of War -- Our Challenge: to Prevent It
> 
> Panel discussion
> Speakers include Larry Everest, Rich Wood, Iranian Americans Against
> the War, and others
> Friday, March 23
> First Unitarian Church of San Jose
> 160 N. Third St.
> 6:30 p.m. refreshments and socializing
> 7:00 p.m. Panel discussion
> 
> The U.S. plans to control all the energy resources of the Middle East
> through brutal war. In 2003, Iran proposed a comprehensive grand
> bargain to the U.S. but the Bush administration ignored it. Iran has
> no nuclear weapons and is not a threat to the U.S.!
> Sponsored by South Bay Mobilization
> www.sbm4peace.org
> 
> ___________________
> 
> JamBoi
> The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
> See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JamBoi
> 
> The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
> "To the brave belong all things"
> 
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> 
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> 
> 
>  
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From wechslertoo at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 23 13:00:44 2007
From: wechslertoo at earthlink.net (Curt Wechsler)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:00:44 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] today's vote on H.R. 353
Message-ID: <410-22007352320044484@earthlink.net>

> Democrats' attempt to cut off Impeachment discussion and keep war going
for their own political purposes (to continue using war against Republicans
right up to elections w/out "owning" it themselves) :
>
> exerpt from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070323/us-iraq :
>
> Pelosi, and her leadership team spent days trying to convince members
that the bill was Congress' best chance of forcing Bush to change course _
an argument that was aided when they added more than $20 billion in
domestic spending in an effort to lure votes.
>
> They got a breakthrough Thursday when four of the bill's most consistent
critics said they would not stand in its way. California Democrats Lynn
Woolsey, Diane Watson, Barbara Lee and Maxine Waters said they would help
round up support for the bill despite their intention to personally vote
against it because it would not end the war immediately.
>
> "Despite my steadfast opposition, I have told the speaker that I will
work with her to obtain the needed votes to pass the supplemental, but that
in the end I must vote my conscience," said Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif.
>
> ... members said Pelosi was able to convince liberal members of her
caucus that the legislation was their best shot at challenging Bush on the
war even if it fails to become law.








From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Mar 24 08:52:28 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:52:28 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Hike
Message-ID: <4605493C.8090204@charter.net>

I had thoughts about joining the hike today.  Uvas is a good place and 
not too far from me.  However, the weather dictates otherwise... though 
it should be good hiking weather..  not too warm.  There are a number of 
things that must be done before the rains come on Monday and there is 
only little time in which to do them all.  That is the situation of a 
backyard orchardist / gardener.

If anyone has enough energy after the hike to use a pick or shovel, feel 
free to drop by.  Address below.

Wes

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Mar 24 19:52:03 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:52:03 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "That Thin Line Between National Policy and Sheer
	Lunacy"
Message-ID: <4605E3D3.5050306@earthlink.net>


Finally an article that really explains what is going on (sort of).

     http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/03/23/32/

Gerry



From original.patriot at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 24 19:06:17 2007
From: original.patriot at yahoo.com (Mark Johnson)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:06:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] YOU should run for Congress
Message-ID: <927142.78536.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm thinking I will.  Why don't you?  Or run for
something or other. The GPSCC *needs* to field solid
candidates all up and down the slate and most
certainly against at *least* Eshoo (my target),
Lofgren (Roy Nordblum's target) and Honda (Merriam is
looking for someone).  Maybe we can let Jerry McNerney
off the hook for now, but the rest *must* go.  

And hey, if we can get multiple candidates and have
some primary action, all the better.  That way we can
hold debates against each other, even if the incumbent
Dems won't come out of their spider holes. 
Furthermore if good progressive Peace & Freedom, Dems,
Repubs, Libertarians, independent, etc. candidates
rise to the occasion, all the better.  It'll set a
progressive tone for the debate and increase the
chances of ousting the toady Dems.

Impeach for Peace!

Mark Johnson
(AKA Drew)

Here's an inspirational blog explaining why You should
run for Congress.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/19/22550/9226

YOU should run for Congress
by WI Deadhead
Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:55:00 PM PDT
Now that you have read the other diaries and worked up
a good head of steam, I want to tell you how to
relieve that pressure before your head explodes.  RUN
FOR CONGRESS.  Fact:  In 2004 there were 34 incumbents
that had NO OPPONENT.  Add that nearly 100% of
incumbents win their race and we get a turnover rate
lower than that of just about any tin horn
dictatorship's rubber stamp body.  Below the fold I'll
give more persuasion and some concrete suggestions for
getting started.

    * WI Deadhead's diary :: ::
*

In 2000 I ran an "unwinnable" race against a powerful,
entrenched incumbent.  I had a staff of exactly one
(me), worked a fulltime job that was 40 miles outside
my district boundary, spent less than $10,000 (almost
none of it my own) and still managed to pull in almost
26% of the vote.  83,000+ people chose an unknown
alternative because they were so fed up with their
representative.  When I decided to throw my hat into
the ring, I had four main thoughts.  

   1. I believe every race should be contested.  Even
if you run against your own party in a primary, it is
a way of ensuring accountability.  People often told
me, "I like his positions on issues."  My response
was, "How do you know?  He has had no reason to go on
the record for ANYTHING."  He certainly has votes that
show his tendencies, but he can explain the same vote
in 20 different ways, depending on who he is talking
to.  A campaign is a way to get them on the record so
that future battles will have clear starting points. 
I know he is in favor of executing children, against
clean water and in favor of establishing a theocracy. 
But I want him to say so publicly.  The same thing is
gained by running against your party in a primary if
they will be unopposed in the general.  Make them go
on the record in favor of the things you are in favor
of.

   2. Marketing to future voters is key to long term
progress.  How much would it cost to market your party
to every voter?  $0 if you are on the ballot.  Imagine
an 18 year old walking in the booth for their very
first vote.  Maybe they haven't paid that much
attention but they think they are going to vote for a
Democrat.  And the line is blank.  They will start to
question the viability and validity of that party.  If
you allow one party rule, it makes it that much harder
to gain any ground.  In my town there was the
President, a Senate race, Me and then... a slew of
races with only one party represented.  I am proud to
say I was representing my values.

   3. What if the incumbent dies?  Gets arrested the
week before the election?  The national Republicans
get found out as the cheaters they are with a major
scandal?  If nobody is on the ballot, it doesn't
matter how long the coat tails are, it is just a
wasted opportunity.  Possible sources of votes are
compulsive ticket splitters, first time voters,
anti-incumbents, underdog rooters, ... not just the
true believers.

   4. Respect for the office.  What an unopposed
candidate signifies is that nobody thinks the office
is important.  My guy said something like this in
1998:  "I represent my district very well.  Everybody
agrees with me, that is why nobody ran against me." 
NOBODY should get it without at least token
opposition.  

You get to meet new people and hear their ideas for
improving society, appear in almanacs for posterity,
pad your resume, and spout off on any subject you care
to mention (I hit on opposition to the death penalty,
pointing out financial conflicts of interest in voting
records, racial profiling by police and the courts,
support for Industrial Hemp production, and a desire
for improvements in health care).

If you are interested, start by checking with your
state elections board for qualifications and ballot
access requirements.  Attend your local party meetings
and get some moral support.  Make a website and stock
it with your favorite philosophies.  If you get on the
ballot, you have a guaranteed platform to shout out
your message.  It may not be covered closely, but
there are lots of places that will post it for free. 
I had one hour on public radio with callers, and one
televised debate.  Maybe a small audience, but perhaps
I was able to touch one person who will go on to make
a difference.  I can dream.  It is not too soon to
start for 2006, take a chance and make a contribution
you can be proud of.








 
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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Sun Mar 25 01:38:02 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 04:38:02 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] April 14th Action v Climate Change: Step It Up
	2007
Message-ID: <d11.66f6ac4.33378eea@aol.com>

Hi All,

This is one of the actions taking place April 14.  Since Step It Up Silicon 
Valley is having a festival in Mitchell Park in Palo Alto why don't we see if 
we can have a table there?  We can combine a table on climate change issues and 
a call for Impeachment
for Bush and Co. for ignoring Global Warming.

Merriam

Step It Up Silicon Valley - A Climate Action Festival

Palo Alto, CA

April 14, 2007 01:00PM to 03:00PM

Event Description:
Come join us for a festival at Mitchell Park that will empower participants 
to STEP IT UP: (i) by reducing their own carbon footprint and (ii) by calling 
on local governments and Congress to do the same. 
Location:
600 East Meadow Avenue, Palo Alto 
Directions:
Mitchell Park, Palo Alto, CA 
http://www.city.palo-alto.ca.us/community-services/pk-mitchell.html

Subj:   Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] April 14th Action v Climate Change: Step It Up 
2007?    
Date:   3/21/2007 3:30:28 PM Pacific Standard Time  
From:   jamboi at yahoo.com    
To: gerrygras at earthlink.net, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org   
Sent from the Internet (Details)    
    


okay, but as the mighty, mighty GPSCC we don't have to wait for others,
we can (and need to) initiate our own actions.? So what I'm asking is
"what would make a good action to mark this occasion?" Suggestions
please? And this question is for everyone, not just Gerry.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew



--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> What I want to do depends on what the existing options are.
> The website provides a way of finding events based on zip code,
> but my browser keeps crashing before I get very far.? I have
> found that there are 2 events in Palo Alto, so I may just go
> to one of them.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > I hadn't heard of it, but it sounds good.? So what do we want to
> do?
> > 
> > Impeach for Peace!
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > --- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>I did not hear about this action until two or three days
> >>ago when I stumbled across it doing a search for "global
> >>warming".? Has anyone else heard of this?
> >>
> >>? ? 
> >>http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/01/24/stepitup/index.html
> >>
> >>Gerry
> >>
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> > 
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> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
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From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Mar 25 11:39:22 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:39:22 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
In-Reply-To: <000501c76cbb$02e0ce80$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>
References: <000501c76cbb$02e0ce80$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>
Message-ID: <A05BC1A1-E373-4F9D-875C-141196B0AE41@cagreens.org>

No, no, no, Rob.  You didn't give the wrong impression at all.  And I  
agree with your solutions.  But I think they need to be added to what  
we are doing now even if BART has some design problems.  It's what we  
bought into and we're stuck temporarily to a certain degree.

The UK has had a marvelous solution to their outmoded parts of the  
Underground rail system when they mated the main London-based line to  
such outreach lines as the Circle Line, etc.  It enabled people to  
get around in London, old and new, and the outlying areas several  
miles away, such as Kew Gardens, etc.  A boon to tourists.

The transportation system has been carefully thought out, including  
providing a *world-renown* symbolic map for the Underground that has  
no relation to real space and location, but enables everyone  
(including tourists) to quickly figure out how to get to anywhere  
they need to go on the system.  A feat in itself.

They also have linked the basic rail ticket to the Underground,  
busses, double-deckers, ferries, and trolleys so that one can step  
from one form of travel to another without extra fares and without  
waits that last much more than five minutes.  You can bet that  
everyone wants to use the Underground instead of fighting downtown  
London traffic with a personal auto!

Another stroke of genius is the cheap day pass for tourists that  
excludes "drive time" periods so that Londoners can get to work and  
not have to fight tourists for seats and breathing room on the  
transpo system.  Clever, eh?  No wonder the natives don't mind tourists!

BTW, Canada inherited that idea of transpo as a citizen service, and  
when I was sent there by my company during my third world symposium  
for the DIA (Drug Information Association), I jettisoned my *company- 
paid car* to ride the underground.  Cheaper, faster, more pleasant by  
far!  It was cheaper, even for me as a non-taxpaying alien because  
Canada, like the UK and many Euro countries, has a socialized  
democracy that believes that many things are in service to the public  
(citizen or not) and should be free or priced cheaply enough than  
anyone can afford it.

The US almost had a similar socialized democracy after WWII, but we  
quickly trashed most of that pro-citizen support network and  
privatized it, so it fails often due to the vagaries of the economy.  
About all that is left of it is Social Security, Medicare, and a few  
ragtags of the public health care system.

[Tian, I would love to have you share the premise put out by my TV  
colleague, Nick Szabo, who gave a talk at your techie group last week  
on the Finnish model!  Nick is a thoughtful social philosopher and an  
ex-mayor of Cupertino, with vast experience in compassionate  
corporate management.]

We in the US shock many people in the rest of the world in our  
ability to tear down and throw away anything we get tired of or deem  
as "old" and useless.  We don't think about how to adapt it, update  
it, incorporate it.  We're extremely wasteful, IMHO.

OK, 'nuff said.
Andrea



On Mar 22, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Rob Means wrote:

> Andrea,
>
> Perhaps I gave the wrong impression.  I favor public/clean/efficient
> transportation options.  I'm aggrieved that the chosen modes (BART and
> LRT) cost so much and produce such poor results.  We can do much  
> better.
> VTA, as an organization and a process, tends to ignore modern transit
> options.  And jitneys. And CNG buses.  And the synergies of a campaign
> promoting electric bikes, trikes and scooters.  And (while I'm  
> ranting)
> VTA should give us back bike lanes and the right to walk on the
> expressways that they took away.
>
> Clearly, cleaning the air is important to public health.  Based on
> results, however, the big bucks we're spending on LRT are not helping
> clean the air because even more cars are coming to dirty it.  To
> paraphrase something I read this morning, it's not that we're not  
> doing
> something; it's that we're not doing nearly enough.  In the 90's  
> was the
> time to think incrementally.  Now, the crises are so looming that big
> changes are required - and quickly.
>
> Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
> 408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
> 1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
> Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
> ---
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrea Dorey [mailto:andid at cagreens.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:36 PM
> To: Rob Means
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] going car free
>
> Rob,
> I think that public transportation is just that, public AND a public
> service.  I think the less we charge and the more we support with
> taxes, the better.  We can clear a lot of cars off the road,
> including the Outreach cars that deliver seniors here and there, and
> get people hooked on letting someone else do the driving so they can
> knit, read, talk, etc.  We can clear the air faster; slow down the
> destruction of the  fertile valley floor (what's left of it), the
> farms (what's left of those), valued old buildings; ease our horrific
> traffic congestion; slow down damage to roads and highways; require
> fewer patrolmen; use up fewer hours of fire truck time; involve fewer
> people in accidents and ER repairs; and begin to empty parking lots.
> All of which will have a salutory effect on health for kids and
> seniors; in particular, asthma rates and other immune problems due to
> PMs/pollution.
>
> We forget the horrible price we all pay for petrol-based
> transportation-and in real dollars.
> Andrea
>
>
> On Mar 20, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Rob Means wrote:
>
>> After 6 years of pointing out the benefits of Personal Rapid Transit
>> (PRT) to the VTA Board and staff, I'm very cynical about them doing
>> anything outside their box.  They use 19th century technology  
>> (LRT) to
>> solve 21st century transportation problems created by the automobile
>> because the federal government doles out money for it.
>> That may make some financial sense, but when you throw in the
>> operating
>> costs, low ridership and near zero impact on car congestion, it looks
>> like a boondoggle.  We could get a bigger bang for our buck by giving
>> out thousands of electric bikes and scooters.
>>
>> Check the following link for an alternative to the (overly) expensive
>> BART extension.  For about one-tenth the price, we can serve about
>> half
>> the demand (which goes between the Fremont BART station and the Great
>> Mall LRT station) and provide better service all along the route.
>> http://www.electric-bikes.com/ciscofield.htm
>>
>> As for getting VTA bus service "up to snuff", how do you propose
>> paying
>> for it?  Right now, the farebox only covers 20% of the operating
>> costs.
>> Restoring recently-cut services requires money that the VTA claims  
>> not
>> to have.
>>
>> Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
>> 408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
>> 1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
>> Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> -
>
>> --
>
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Mar 25 12:39:56 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:39:56 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A much more fuel efficient car ....
In-Reply-To: <46020273.1010303@earthlink.net>
References: <46020273.1010303@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <EEFD80F6-F8C6-40AD-86CA-495CDF68E8AB@cagreens.org>

Gerry,
Detroit is not likely to resist too hard, as this car (the Vanguard)  
is based on alternative fuels, which will continue to tether the  
driver to the established gas stations that will dispense the fuel,  
continue what is basically an internal combustion engine (AKA  
infernal combustion engine), and the expensive servicing of the noisy  
churning parts by auto makers/dealers who make big money on people  
forced to return for servicing in order to maintain their warranty.

Unfortunately.

The supreme and best answer remains the electric car, a concept that  
was invented in 1834.  Yup, 1834.

In 1895, the first auto race was won by an electric car (EV).
In 1898, in a New York City ice storm, EVs were the only transport  
capable of moving on the roads!
In 1903, the first speeding ticket was issued, and it was to an EV!
In 1912, there were 38,842 EVs on the road.

Today, EVs are still winning races against gas-guzzlers of any class.  
Even against Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche Carrera GT, and other race/ 
luxury/muscle cars.  Why?

The all-electric tZero goes 0-60 in 3.6 seconds with 300 miles per  
charge; the Tango goes 0-60 in 4 seconds and can do 0-130 mph in one  
gear and can drive side-by-side with another Tango in the same  
freeway lane!

  The newest darling of the electric cars coming out is the the all- 
electric Tesla Roadster built by Tesla Motors in San Carlos, CA.  It  
goes 0-60 in 4 seconds, gets 250 miles per charge by EPA standards,  
and is the hottest looking 2-seater sports car soon to be on the road  
(body designed by Lotus!).
The first two years of "production" Roadsters have sold out,  
already!  They are starting to build the first years' Signature  
Roadsters (100) this year.

Electric cars today are being designed to be so user-friendly that  
they can be plugged into the normal house electric plugs and can  
charge in a few hours, overnight, while electricity is the cheapest  
rate.  Even the simplest, cheapest design can go about 50-60 miles on  
a charge?most Americans drive only 25-35 (round-trip) miles a day.

No propane, methane, biodiesel, fuel cell, steam, or solar powered  
car can beat the electric car.  Or do it as cleanly.

Not dead yet, Detroit!  ;-  ))
Andrea


On Mar 21, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:

>
> ... but Detroit is resisting it as usual:
>
> "The Car of Tomorrow Is Here Today"
>      http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0321-23.htm
>
> Gerry
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Mar 25 12:53:34 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:53:34 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd:  A much more fuel efficient car ....
References: <EEFD80F6-F8C6-40AD-86CA-495CDF68E8AB@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <C648BB2F-FF70-49E0-8659-F436D84B3E9E@cagreens.org>

Ooooops, Rob, re the text below, I meant in comparing auto to auto!
Your small EVs that include e-bikes and e-scooters are wonderful and,  
even better, *fun*!  I had a great time zipping around one day at  
SJSU on one of your cuties, and if I were a flatlander I would have  
one now!  Up my 2000 foot mountain in 4.5 miles I think is a bit much  
for the little guys.
Andrea

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
> Date: March 25, 2007 12:39:56 PM PDT
> To: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] A much more fuel efficient car ....
>
> Gerry,
> Detroit is not likely to resist too hard, as this car (the Vanguard)
> is based on alternative fuels, which will continue to tether the
> driver to the established gas stations that will dispense the fuel,
> continue what is basically an internal combustion engine (AKA
> infernal combustion engine), and the expensive servicing of the noisy
> churning parts by auto makers/dealers who make big money on people
> forced to return for servicing in order to maintain their warranty.
>
> Unfortunately.
>
> The supreme and best answer remains the electric car, a concept that
> was invented in 1834.  Yup, 1834.
>
> In 1895, the first auto race was won by an electric car (EV).
> In 1898, in a New York City ice storm, EVs were the only transport
> capable of moving on the roads!
> In 1903, the first speeding ticket was issued, and it was to an EV!
> In 1912, there were 38,842 EVs on the road.
>
> Today, EVs are still winning races against gas-guzzlers of any class.
> Even against Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche Carrera GT, and other race/
> luxury/muscle cars.  Why?
>
> The all-electric tZero goes 0-60 in 3.6 seconds with 300 miles per
> charge; the Tango goes 0-60 in 4 seconds and can do 0-130 mph in one
> gear and can drive side-by-side with another Tango in the same
> freeway lane!
>
>   The newest darling of the electric cars coming out is the the all-
> electric Tesla Roadster built by Tesla Motors in San Carlos, CA.  It
> goes 0-60 in 4 seconds, gets 250 miles per charge by EPA standards,
> and is the hottest looking 2-seater sports car soon to be on the road
> (body designed by Lotus!).
> The first two years of "production" Roadsters have sold out,
> already!  They are starting to build the first years' Signature
> Roadsters (100) this year.
>
> Electric cars today are being designed to be so user-friendly that
> they can be plugged into the normal house electric plugs and can
> charge in a few hours, overnight, while electricity is the cheapest
> rate.  Even the simplest, cheapest design can go about 50-60 miles on
> a charge?most Americans drive only 25-35 (round-trip) miles a day.
>
> No propane, methane, biodiesel, fuel cell, steam, or solar powered
> car can beat the electric car.  Or do it as cleanly.
>
> Not dead yet, Detroit!  ;-  ))
> Andrea
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:
>
>>
>> ... but Detroit is resisting it as usual:
>>
>> "The Car of Tomorrow Is Here Today"
>>      http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0321-23.htm
>>
>> Gerry
>>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Mar 25 13:21:25 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:21:25 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] YOU should run for Congress
In-Reply-To: <927142.78536.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <927142.78536.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CEFD8724-722F-4954-AA83-507B93B6E2E2@cagreens.org>

Why not.  If you're young, smart, wily, and physically strong and  
healthy, why not.  You're going to need all those qualities and more,  
but if you can get the Greens not to cringe every time the donkeys  
and elephants whisper, "spoiler!", you might have a chance.   
Everywhere I see the red, sunken eyes of despair or rage.  Somebody  
has to do something and it might as well be "you."  Why not?
Andrea

On Mar 24, 2007, at 7:06 PM, Mark Johnson wrote:

> I'm thinking I will.  Why don't you?  Or run for
> something or other. The GPSCC *needs* to field solid
> candidates all up and down the slate and most
> certainly against at *least* Eshoo (my target),
> Lofgren (Roy Nordblum's target) and Honda (Merriam is
> looking for someone).  Maybe we can let Jerry McNerney
> off the hook for now, but the rest *must* go.
>
> And hey, if we can get multiple candidates and have
> some primary action, all the better.  That way we can
> hold debates against each other, even if the incumbent
> Dems won't come out of their spider holes.
> Furthermore if good progressive Peace & Freedom, Dems,
> Repubs, Libertarians, independent, etc. candidates
> rise to the occasion, all the better.  It'll set a
> progressive tone for the debate and increase the
> chances of ousting the toady Dems.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Mark Johnson
> (AKA Drew)
>
> Here's an inspirational blog explaining why You should
> run for Congress.
>
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/19/22550/9226
>
> YOU should run for Congress
> by WI Deadhead
> Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:55:00 PM PDT
> Now that you have read the other diaries and worked up
> a good head of steam, I want to tell you how to
> relieve that pressure before your head explodes.  RUN
> FOR CONGRESS.  Fact:  In 2004 there were 34 incumbents
> that had NO OPPONENT.  Add that nearly 100% of
> incumbents win their race and we get a turnover rate
> lower than that of just about any tin horn
> dictatorship's rubber stamp body.  Below the fold I'll
> give more persuasion and some concrete suggestions for
> getting started.
>
>     * WI Deadhead's diary :: ::
> *
>
> In 2000 I ran an "unwinnable" race against a powerful,
> entrenched incumbent.  I had a staff of exactly one
> (me), worked a fulltime job that was 40 miles outside
> my district boundary, spent less than $10,000 (almost
> none of it my own) and still managed to pull in almost
> 26% of the vote.  83,000+ people chose an unknown
> alternative because they were so fed up with their
> representative.  When I decided to throw my hat into
> the ring, I had four main thoughts.
>
>    1. I believe every race should be contested.  Even
> if you run against your own party in a primary, it is
> a way of ensuring accountability.  People often told
> me, "I like his positions on issues."  My response
> was, "How do you know?  He has had no reason to go on
> the record for ANYTHING."  He certainly has votes that
> show his tendencies, but he can explain the same vote
> in 20 different ways, depending on who he is talking
> to.  A campaign is a way to get them on the record so
> that future battles will have clear starting points.
> I know he is in favor of executing children, against
> clean water and in favor of establishing a theocracy.
> But I want him to say so publicly.  The same thing is
> gained by running against your party in a primary if
> they will be unopposed in the general.  Make them go
> on the record in favor of the things you are in favor
> of.
>
>    2. Marketing to future voters is key to long term
> progress.  How much would it cost to market your party
> to every voter?  $0 if you are on the ballot.  Imagine
> an 18 year old walking in the booth for their very
> first vote.  Maybe they haven't paid that much
> attention but they think they are going to vote for a
> Democrat.  And the line is blank.  They will start to
> question the viability and validity of that party.  If
> you allow one party rule, it makes it that much harder
> to gain any ground.  In my town there was the
> President, a Senate race, Me and then... a slew of
> races with only one party represented.  I am proud to
> say I was representing my values.
>
>    3. What if the incumbent dies?  Gets arrested the
> week before the election?  The national Republicans
> get found out as the cheaters they are with a major
> scandal?  If nobody is on the ballot, it doesn't
> matter how long the coat tails are, it is just a
> wasted opportunity.  Possible sources of votes are
> compulsive ticket splitters, first time voters,
> anti-incumbents, underdog rooters, ... not just the
> true believers.
>
>    4. Respect for the office.  What an unopposed
> candidate signifies is that nobody thinks the office
> is important.  My guy said something like this in
> 1998:  "I represent my district very well.  Everybody
> agrees with me, that is why nobody ran against me."
> NOBODY should get it without at least token
> opposition.
>
> You get to meet new people and hear their ideas for
> improving society, appear in almanacs for posterity,
> pad your resume, and spout off on any subject you care
> to mention (I hit on opposition to the death penalty,
> pointing out financial conflicts of interest in voting
> records, racial profiling by police and the courts,
> support for Industrial Hemp production, and a desire
> for improvements in health care).
>
> If you are interested, start by checking with your
> state elections board for qualifications and ballot
> access requirements.  Attend your local party meetings
> and get some moral support.  Make a website and stock
> it with your favorite philosophies.  If you get on the
> ballot, you have a guaranteed platform to shout out
> your message.  It may not be covered closely, but
> there are lots of places that will post it for free.
> I had one hour on public radio with callers, and one
> televised debate.  Maybe a small audience, but perhaps
> I was able to touch one person who will go on to make
> a difference.  I can dream.  It is not too soon to
> start for 2006, take a chance and make a contribution
> you can be proud of.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
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> Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091
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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Sun Mar 25 18:36:13 2007
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:36:13 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Being Serious About Being a Candidate [was Re:
	YOU should run for Congress]
Message-ID: <c34.e660966.33387d8d@aol.com>

Running a campaign for elected office -- any elected office -- is a serious  
undertaking involving assessing your own qualifications, support network, and  
fortitude.  It takes a lot of advance planning and organization.   Anyone 
planning to run for office in 2008 should be making their decision  to begin 
being a candidate NOW!!!  Persons running for office in November  2007 should 
already have their campaign going.  About six hours of  candidate basics program 
is available on dvds from the Campaigns and Candidates  Working Group if the 
GPSCC wants to make use of them for candidate training or  general programing.  
Warner



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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Mon Mar 26 01:27:27 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:27:27 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Saturday hike pictures
Message-ID: <E1HVkY3-00078a-00@truffula>


Saturday, Tian, Drew, and I scaled the remote and treacherous
Nibbs Knob in the fearsome Uvas Canyon County Park.
Blistering heat, raging rapids, howling dust storms.
We got lost and wandered in the wilderness for days eating
tree bark.  Actually it was about 72 degrees and clear and
we had a nice picnic at the top.

http://gandhi.greens.org/cls/2007mar24/March24hike.html

Cameron



From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Mon Mar 26 01:53:30 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 04:53:30 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] An opportunity to show solidarity with the latino
	community/SI Se Puede March
Message-ID: <d53.547f9e2.3338e40a@aol.com>

Hi All,

Let's get a group of us together to join this March.  We can participate in 
the March and then afterwards go to Morgan Hill for the Strategy meeting.

Who wants to be a part of a Green Party of Santa Clara County contingency to 
march in solidarity with our Latino brothers and sisters?

Merriam

Also we need some signs that say:
 
                         Si Se Puede!
                  Honoring Cesar Chavez Vision
                   The Green Party of Santa Clara County

                                 or

                        Si Se Puede!
            The Green Party Of Santa Clara County
         

SATURDAY: Chavez Family Vision, Inc. presents:

14th Annual Commemorative "Si Se Puede" March
Saturday, March 31, 10:00 a.m. 
Mexican Heritage Plaza, 1700 Alum Rock Ave., at King Rd in East San Jose
March through historic East Side neighborhood where Cesar grew up and then 
return to Mexican Heritage Plaza to enjoy live entertainment.










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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Mon Mar 26 02:35:28 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:35:28 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peace & Sustainability Bike ride coming thru San
	Jose, we need hosts!
Message-ID: <c7b.efa1d77.3338ede0@aol.com>

Hi Gerry,

Here is the info on the Peace & sustainability Bike ride coming thru San 
Jose.

A friend sent me this information.? Sounds like a great action for us to 
support. This could be our April event.? What does everyone think?

This is the link to their website.
http://www.emissariesofhope.org 

Merriam


From:? ? ?? littlebirdbecca at yahoo.com
Subject:? ?? Peace & Sustainability Bike ride coming thru San? 
Jose, we need hosts!
? ?? Date:? ?? March 8, 2007 11:10:19 AM PST

we are starting a cross-continental peace and sustainability bike? 
ride http://www.emissariesofhope.org soon to be http:// 
www.catalystsofhope.org
We rely on individuals that are commited to transforming society at? 
large and small. Thinking globally starting locally. We are stopping? 
in many cities and towns on the way (check out our route schedule)? 
and offering non-violent communication workshops, discussion groups,? 
and movie showings (documentaries and such). We need hosts to? 
organize sleeping arrangements for the bicyclists, and to organize a? 
community event of their choosing or communities choosing and for? 
contacts in other cities along the way.

Please contact me at this email or? 
for faster communication (541) 829-3379. Peace, Rebecca

Peace to you





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From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Mar 26 08:28:29 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:28:29 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] An opportunity to show solidarity with the
 latino	community/SI Se Puede March
In-Reply-To: <d53.547f9e2.3338e40a@aol.com>
References: <d53.547f9e2.3338e40a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4607E69D.3070905@charter.net>

MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:

Good idea.

Has anyone thought to contact the San Jose chapter of the Mexican 
American Political Assn. (MAPA). The national Chaiman of MAPA, Nativo 
Lopez, is a Green and was elected to the Green Party Los Angeles County 
Council last year. The MAPA web site features a picture of Camejo and 
Nader in the top banner.

Contacts:
MAPA- San Jose
Daniel Garza - President
Tel: (408) 259-8733
Email: danielgarza at mapa-ca.org <mailto:%20danielgarza at mapa-ca.org>
<mailto:%20mapaccc at mapa-ca.org>
Partido Verde!

> /Hi All,
>
> Let's get a group of us together to join this March. We can 
> participate in the March and then afterwards go to Morgan Hill for the 
> Strategy meeting.
>
> Who wants to be a part of a Green Party of Santa Clara County 
> contingency to march in solidarity with our Latino brothers and sisters?
>
> Merriam
>
> Also we need some signs that say:
> /*
> **Si Se Puede!
> *Honoring Cesar Chavez Vision
> The Green Party of Santa Clara County
>
> * *or
>
> *Si Se Puede!**
> *The Green Party Of Santa Clara County*
> **
>
> SATURDAY: Chavez Family Vision, Inc. presents:
> *
> 14th Annual Commemorative "Si Se Puede" March
> Saturday, March 31, 10:00 a.m.
> Mexican Heritage Plaza, 1700 Alum Rock Ave., at King Rd in East San Jose
> March through historic East Side neighborhood where Cesar grew up and 
> then return to Mexican Heritage Plaza to enjoy live entertainment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Mon Mar 26 10:26:32 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:26:32 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Saturday hike pictures
In-Reply-To: <E1HVkY3-00078a-00@truffula>
References: <E1HVkY3-00078a-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <DFC2A5CB-4669-4035-B6E3-34C3A9E18BA9@duendevision.com>


On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

>
> Saturday, Tian, Drew, and I scaled the remote and treacherous
> Nibbs Knob in the fearsome Uvas Canyon County Park.
> Blistering heat, raging rapids, howling dust storms.
> We got lost and wandered in the wilderness for days eating
> tree bark.

And for Desert?

> Actually it was about 72 degrees and clear and
> we had a nice picnic at the top.

Likely story. How come Tian's been missing. You must have eaten well :-)

Paz

Duende
\
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The basis of life is Freedom
The objective of life is Joy
The result of life is Growth
- Abraham, 1989






From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Mon Mar 26 11:22:02 2007
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:22:02 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A much more fuel efficient car ....
In-Reply-To: <C648BB2F-FF70-49E0-8659-F436D84B3E9E@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <001701c76fd3$b38d8f50$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>

Andi,
 
You want to go up 2000 feet?  No problem, just bring money.  We've got a
$1000 hub motor that fits most bikes and will climb any hill with
asphalt on it at 15 to 20 mph.  Add $1500 of Lithium batteries and
you're good to go.  
 
Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrea Dorey [mailto:andid at cagreens.org] 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:54 PM
To: Rob Means
Cc: Green South Bay Discussion
Subject: Fwd: [Sosfbay-discuss] A much more fuel efficient car ....
 
Ooooops, Rob, re the text below, I meant in comparing auto to auto!  
Your small EVs that include e-bikes and e-scooters are wonderful and,
even better, *fun*!  I had a great time zipping around one day at SJSU
on one of your cuties, and if I were a flatlander I would have one now!
Up my 2000 foot mountain in 4.5 miles I think is a bit much for the
little guys. 
Andrea
 
 
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From cbrouillet at igc.org  Mon Mar 26 12:07:40 2007
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:07:40 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Next Impeachment Rally 4/11
Message-ID: <E1HVuXB-0006r6-7z@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm working on a 11" x 17" poster for our upcoming Impeachment rally. 
Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance voted $500- towards 
honorariums and publicity.  I'm hoping Santa Clara Green Party will 
also help us with outreach, publicity, and simply coming with your 
signs, buttons... I have found speakers for 9/11 but still haven't 
found a good Impeachment speaker.  We can also put this info on 
smaller flyers/handouts/leaflets.  I'd like to add an impeachment 
speaker to this list- if someone has a great suggestion of anyone who 
can commit.  Also I did get a letter from Anna Eshoo the other day 
which I posted on my website and am including as a PS after the text 
of this poster:

411 on 911

9/11 Truth/ Impeachment
Rally and March

Wednesday, April 11, 2007, 1 pm to 3 pm
Lytton Plaza, University x Emerson, Downtown Palo Alto

Music by Annie and the Vets,
Speakers include- Gabriel Day, David Kubiak, Janette MacKinlay, Carol 
Brouillet, Ed Rippy

We don't buy the Big Lie of 9/11 which has been used to attack the 
Constitution, our rights, and launch illegal wars of aggression.
We are urging a Nationwide Shopping Boycott from Tax Day to Earth 
Day, April 15- 22, 2007 to send the message to Congress-
Impeach for Peace and Justice.

[]

Details at www.wearenotbuyingit.org

Sponsored by the Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance and the 
Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition (I'll add Santa Clara County 
Green party, if you guys want to be part of this.)

March 16, 2007 Dear Ms Brouillet, Thank you for your letter about 
impeaching President Bush and Vice President Cheney. I have received 
numerous letters from you over the years and my office records 
demonstrate that I have responded to each and every one. We have 
discussed this issue at length before. I've lived through an 
impeachment process and witnessed firsthand how it tewars the country 
apart. The election in November was a resounding rejection of the 
Presidents's policies and the policies of his party. I think it's 
time to bring the country together and move forward. In my view, 
impeachment will heavily distract from the important work of 
reversing the disastrous course this Administration has set and will 
virtually bring to a halt progress on important issues including 
healthcare and global warming. As you know, the Bush Administration 
enjoyed virtually unfettered and unchecked power over the federal 
government under Republican Majorities in both the House and the 
Senate over the last six years. This has changed. In the first two 
and-a-half-months of the 110th Congress, Democrats have held more 
than 100 oversight hearings covering the war in Iraq, the response to 
Hurricane Katrina, the firing of United States Attorneys, and the 
treatment of our veterans at Walter Reed. The House has voted its 
disapproval of the President's plan to send 20,000 more troops to 
Iraq. In the coming weeks, the House of Representatives will be 
voting on legislation to set conditions and timelines for ending the 
war in Iraq. Congress will conduct rigorous oversight and 
investigations that will serve the interests of the American people. 
Sincerely, Anna G. Eshoo Member of Congress

On March 23, 2007 Eshoo made a statement supporting 
<http://eshoo.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=302&Itemid=159>H.R. 
1591. Move-On had urged its members to support the bill and then 
thank legislators when the bill passed. I was furious at Move-On, as 
well as Eshoo and Congress for the lousy bill, which gives tons of 
money to the military, doesn't prohibit Bush from launching a new war 
on Iran, and seems like a PR stunt to sell a distant deadline for 
ending the war, which can be easily changed. It is simply Orwellian 
and perpetuates the bogus "War on Terrorism" which is the biggest 
scam this country has ever pulled on its own citizens. Carol 
Brouillet http://www.communitycurrency.org 650-857-0927




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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 26 13:49:09 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:49:09 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A much more fuel efficient car ....
References: <46020273.1010303@earthlink.net>
	<EEFD80F6-F8C6-40AD-86CA-495CDF68E8AB@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <460831C5.6090406@earthlink.net>



Andrea Dorey wrote:

<clip>


> 
> The supreme and best answer remains the electric car, a concept that  
> was invented in 1834.  Yup, 1834.
> 
> In 1895, the first auto race was won by an electric car (EV).
> In 1898, in a New York City ice storm, EVs were the only transport  
> capable of moving on the roads!
> In 1903, the first speeding ticket was issued, and it was to an EV!
> In 1912, there were 38,842 EVs on the road.
> 


<clip>

And...
In 1899, the first automobile fatality in the U.S involved an
electic cab.
     http://www.citystreets.org/plaque.html
     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Bliss_%28road_accident_victim%29

(The text says the first pedestrian, the plaque
says first recorded motor vehicle fatality,
I believe both statements are true.)

NOTE: I do NOT mean to imply that electric cars are more
dangerous.  I believe that this fact just implies that there
were more electric vehicles than other large vehicles at
that time.

NOTE: the total number of car deaths in the U.S. is either
2.1 or 3.1 million, while the total number of Americans
killed in war (from the Revolution to the Iraq War) is
around 1.1 million.


Gerry




From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Mar 26 14:28:15 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:28:15 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Delta Shad in your water?
Message-ID: <46083AEF.1070408@charter.net>

 From the newsletter of Restore the Delta 
(http://www.restorethedelta.org/), comes a good directional statement 
after reading about a law suit in Federal court over pumping delta water.

> Delta Flows ? Weekly Highlights from Restore the Delta
>
> For the Week of March 26, 2007
>
> Restore the Delta has very little to add to the article below other 
> than congratulations to Bill Jennings and the California Sportfishing 
> Protection Alliance. We think that water agencies complying with the 
> law is the essential first-step to restoring the California Delta.
>
> We also want to see state water agencies begin developing regional 
> self-sufficiency programs for water delivery, conveyance, and use.  By 
> creating regional conservation and reclamation programs, excessive 
> water exports from the California Delta can be reduced permanently. 
>
> We have also begun questioning whether it is wise to rely on a water 
> conveyance system that spans hundreds of miles across the state. 
>  Restore the Delta does not believe that shipping water from north to 
> south is a wise way to protect the water supply from a natural or 
> manmade disaster for all Californians.
>
> *************************************************************
>
The Link: http://www.insidebayarea.com/search/ci_5512677
The Reporter: Mike Taugher has been a good environmental reporter for 
the Contra Costa Times. - Wes

I think that Restore the Delta's questioning is right on the money. 


*************************************************************
Judge says Delta pumps may have to shut down

Endangered species ruling may cut off water to much of state

By Mike Taugher, MEDIANEWS STAFF

Inside Bay Area

Article Last Updated:03/24/2007 02:41:22 AM PDT

The state's largest water delivery system serving millions of people from
the Tri-Valley to Southern California must shut down in 60 days unless water
officials comply with the state endangered species law, a judge ruled.

The decision, which sent shock waves through water agencies up and down
California on Friday, says state water officials failed to obtain a state
permit to kill threatened or endangered salmon and Delta smelt.

Alameda County Superior Court Judge Frank Roesch ruled that the Department
of Water Resources was violating the California Endangered Species Act but
said he would delay turning off the pumps for 60 days to allow state
agencies to comply. The ruling also said the 60-day clock will not start
ticking until the ruling becomes final after a 15-day comment period.

State officials said they would ask the judge to reconsider, arguing they
are trying to develop a long-term conservation strategy and that shutting
off the pumps would deal a devastating economic blow.

"I don't think it's possible to comply with what the judge says in 60 days,"
DWR director Lester Snow said.

Most major water agencies have sufficient backup water supplies to get them
through a short pumping shutdown. However, if the permit required by the
court's decision further restricts pumping, it could reduce the amount of
water those agencies get in the long term.

At issue are massive pumps that supply water to more than 23 million people
in Alameda County, Silicon Valley and Southern California. The pumps are
powerful enough to alter the flow of rivers, disrupt fish movement and kill
millions of fish each year.

Among those fish are species such as Delta smelt, winter-run salmon and
spring-run salmon that are protected under state and federal endangered
species laws. The pumping plant has a permit to harm endangered fish from
the federal government, but not from the state.

Environmentalists say a state permit might force water supply cuts because
the state law is more stringent than the federal law.

The ruling does not affect smaller federal pumps that serve San Joaquin
Valley farms.

Stan Williams, chief executive officer of the Santa Clara Valley Water
District, said groundwater and access to San Francisco's Hetch Hetchy
aqueducts would provide short-term backup water supplies but a prolonged
shutdown could cause problems.

He added that he views the threat of a shutdown as plausible. "I think it's
real," Williams said.

The general manager of the Metropolitan Water District of Southern
California, the state water pumps' biggest customer, said he was
disappointed in the ruling but added that emergency water reserves can meet
the summer needs of its 18 million customers.

"What we need from Fish and Game is their best analysis of what they can do
in 60 days and then see if that will satisfy the court," said Met general
manager Jeff Kightlinger. "We're working rapidly on our contingency
planning."

Environmentalists, meanwhile, were elated.

"It's a mind-buster. I'm stunned," said Bill Jennings, executive director of
the California Sportfishing Protection Alliance, which filed the lawsuit
last year.

The ruling comes at a time of deepening disarray in California water policy.
The state's major water source, the Delta, is laboring five years into an
ecosystem collapse that many scientists say is at least partly due to the
water pumps.

The failure of state water officials to obtain a permit for the pumps was
uncovered in 2005 by a state Senate committee.

That committee's investigation was in response to a MediaNews report showing
that in early 2005, just as the severity of the Delta's ecosystem crisis was
becoming apparent, state and federal water officials twice overruled the
advice of biologists appointed to enforce the federal endangered species
law.

State water officials argued that even though they lacked a formal permit, a
series of agreements and other documents dating back to the 1980s formed a
"patchwork" of compliance with the law.

The judge strongly disagreed, saying the documents "do not qualify as carte
blanche authorization" to kill or harm endangered fish.

Michael Lozeau, the lawyer that represented environmentalists in the
lawsuit, said the state endangered species law is stricter than the federal
version.

Under state law, the water resources department would have to offset the
death of every protected fish, possibly by dramatically reducing pumping or
improving habitat elsewhere in the Delta, Lozeau said.

"They have to replace every single fish," Lozeau said.

Jennings said that opens the door to force the state water department to
make up for years of illegal operations.

"When you catch the embezzler, what do you do? You make them pay it back,"
Jennings said.

Contact Mike Taugher at (925) 943-8257 or mtaugher at cctimes.com 
<mailto:mtaugher at cctimes.com>.

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 15:02:25 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GOP Senator Hagel Warns Hagel Warns of
	Impeachment (if Bush ignore congress on war)
Message-ID: <499493.58818.qm@web52203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://www.nysun.com/article/51130?page_no=1

Hagel Warns of Impeachment of President
Republican Threatens To Work With Democrats on Anti-War Bill

By ELI LAKE
Staff Reporter of the Sun
March 26, 2007

WASHINGTON ? Senator Hagel, a Republican of Nebraska who is predicting
that President Bush will face calls for impeachment if he ignores
Congress on the war, will introduce binding legislation this week to
begin the withdrawal of soldiers from Iraq.

Speaking on ABC's "This Week," Mr. Hagel said he would introduce a
binding resolution this week "focused on redeployment, training and
equipment." Mr. Hagel's co-sponsor for the new Iraq resolution is
Senator Webb, a Democrat of Virginia who has introduced legislation in
the Senate to prevent the president from taking any military action
against Iran and who won his election to his first term in the Senate
last November by running on an anti-war platform. Mr. Webb, who served
in the Reagan administration as the secretary of the Navy, has emerged
as a favorite of the Democratic online group, MoveOn.org.

Mr. Hagel's pending resolution on Iraq puts him at odds with his party,
which has won back many of the Republicans who in December began
raising doubts about the war. On Friday, the House Democrats received
only two Republican votes for a supplemental budget bill that would
mandate a withdrawal of forces from Iraq by 2008. Eight days before,
Senator Gordon Smith of Oregon was the only Republican who voted for
the binding resolution sponsored by Senator Reid, the majority leader,
mandating a timetable for withdrawal. Mr. Hagel voted with his party
against that resolution.

However, Mr. Hagel yesterday indicated his days of voicing skepticism
about the war but voting with the president had ended. "I will not
accept the status quo, I will not continue to support with my vote the
current policy," he said.

He went further in an interview with the April issue of Esquire
magazine. "He's not accountable anymore, which isn't totally true. You
can impeach him, and before this is over, you might see calls for his
impeachment. I don't know. It depends on how this goes," he said in
that interview.

When asked yesterday on ABC what he meant by his comments to the
magazine about impeachment, the senator said, "Any president who says,
?I don't care,' or ?I will not respond to what the people of this
country are saying about Iraq or anything else,' or ?I don't care what
the Congress does, I am going to proceed' ? if a president really
believes that, then there are ?what I was pointing out, there are ways
to deal with that."

Yesterday a senior Senate staffer close to the Senate Republican leader
said he did not expect Mr. Hagel would vote for a timetable for
withdrawal, despite his comments.

"He was with us last time," this source wrote in an e-mail. "He doesn't
like arbitrary withdrawals, and he doesn't want to prevent the funding
bill from getting through. The Reid language is a poison pill."

A former communications director for the Republican National Committee,
Clifford May, yesterday said he was disappointed in Mr. Hagel. "That's
really disappointing and really rather sad to hear a U.S. senator
threaten the president with impeachment for attempting to do his job as
commander in chief," said Mr. May, now president of the Foundation for
the Defense of Democracies. " Senator Hagel voted to confirm General
Petraeus as the commander in Iraq. He should not have done so if he was
planning to undermine General Petraeus' mission."

Mr. Hagel yesterday said he was particularly angry about the
president's reaction to the House passage of the Iraq supplemental
budget, which the president said in his radio address this weekend he
would veto if it crossed his desk. That bill gives the White House $24
billion more than it asked for to fund the troop surge in Baghdad and
Anbar, but it also mandates a timeline and a cut off of war funding
after August 31, 2008.

The president on Saturday in his national radio address warned that if
Congress does not appropriate the funds for the military by April 15 in
a clean bill, then the military's mission in Afghanistan and Iraq could
face disruptions.

"By choosing to make a political statement and passing a bill they know
will never become law, the Democrats in Congress have only delayed the
delivery of the vital funds and resources our troops need," Mr. Bush
said. "The clock is running."

___________________

JamBoi
The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JamBoi

The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
"To the brave belong all things"

Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
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with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 15:38:15 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:38:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Charlotte in the Metro!
Message-ID: <370756.1592.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Our very own Charlotte Casey gets a lovely photo and positive mention
in The Fly column in the latest copy of The Metro's re: San Jose own
Jeppesen Co, the self-proclaimed "Torture Flight" company (capitalism
Silicon Valley can be proud of - not!)

It's not on-line yet (probably next week I'm guessing), and since I
can't copy and paste from the PDF article (avaiable @
http://www.metropdf.com/0712_MT_1_front.pdf ) I'll save my fingies and
only type the relevant sentence:

"At the end of last year South Bay Mobilization's Charlotte Casey asked
the Council to remove Jeppesen's banner from the Downtown Ice and was
ignored."  

Way to go Charlotte!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew Johnson
Green Party of SCC County Council Member

___________________

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The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
"To the brave belong all things"

Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Mon Mar 26 16:41:52 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:41:52 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A much more fuel efficient car ....
In-Reply-To: <EEFD80F6-F8C6-40AD-86CA-495CDF68E8AB@cagreens.org>
	460831C5.6090406@earthlink.net
References: <46020273.1010303@earthlink.net><EEFD80F6-F8C6-40AD-86CA-495CDF68E8AB@cagreens.org>
	460831C5.6090406@earthlink.net
Message-ID: <46085A40.7020401@ispwest.com>

It seems cosmicly significant that Bliss was done in by #43.
Almost as if Democracy has a funny way of sending messages....


Gerry Gras wrote:

> In 1899, the first automobile fatality in the U.S involved an
>
>electic cab.
>     http://www.citystreets.org/plaque.html
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Bliss_%28road_accident_victim%29
>
>(The text says the first pedestrian, the plaque
>says first recorded motor vehicle fatality,
>I believe both statements are true.)
>
>NOTE: I do NOT mean to imply that electric cars are more
>dangerous.  I believe that this fact just implies that there
>were more electric vehicles than other large vehicles at
>that time.
>
>NOTE: the total number of car deaths in the U.S. is either
>2.1 or 3.1 million, while the total number of Americans
>killed in war (from the Revolution to the Iraq War) is
>around 1.1 million.
>
>
>Gerry
>  
>


-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
What we call human nature is really human habit. - Jewel



From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Mar 26 17:06:47 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:06:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Kissinger on the times we live in.
Message-ID: <46086017.1040905@charter.net>

I listened to Charlie Rose and Kissinger talk about the times that we 
are living in.  I know that a lot of progressives discount all that he 
says because the feel he is a war criminal, but one must admit that he 
is an intelligent one, if that is your opinion. Be that as it may, I 
found that there were several things that he said which made a lot of 
sense.

Maybe the most important point that Kissinger made was that we are 
living in unusual times.  He likened it to the time when the old 
heredity empires of Europe gave way to the idea of a nation.  That was, 
in the late 18th or early 19th Century, a radical idea.  Citizens of a 
geography bound together by a common language, a common culture. 

Now, the pressures of globalization seem to challenge the idea of the 
nation as the source of order in our world.  When the problems are 
global, (he used the example of global warming) nations are not an 
effective structure to deal with them.  Add to that, the fact that the 
challenges to nations right now comes from ideologies, not other nations.

Kissinger suggested that, in the face of these two simultaneous events, 
that we might need to evolve a new way to organize society, are in fact, 
evolving it now, whether consciously or not.

Then ultimately, whatever source of order as evolves, it must be 
prepared to deal with the eventuality that there are those who are 
willing to create total chaos and mass destruction in order to succeed.  
This is the very basic concept of evil.

The second observation was that you need to understand the culture of 
those with whom you are dealing.  His first example was that of China, 
with a 4,000 year history of either being the dominant force in it's 
world, or failing to be because of internal strife... but never from 
external sources.   Kissinger still feels that the most important policy 
decisions all deal with China.

Finally, he indicated that the nature of the world at this time is that 
you can not make fundamental change by military force, but need to exert 
influence in a much more nuanced manner, to demonstrate those qualities 
which would make nations want to follow you, rather than trying to 
bludgeon them into it. (sub-text was that Bush made a mistake in Iraq).

If these observations are close to being right, that the times indicates 
we are moving toward a "new world order" (I hate to use that term 
because it has so much baggage.) of some nature, then how do we Greens 
help define what that is?

Wes

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Mar 26 17:36:39 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:36:39 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The Metro
Message-ID: <46086717.1030703@charter.net>

Reading the ads in the Metro can be fun... and I don't mean "those ads". 

After reading the Fly demonstrate that Charlotte was ahead of her time, 
again, I went paging through and found this on, linked from the PDF.

http://www.clarum.com/

Imagine that, a zero energy home advertised in the Metro.

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Mar 26 19:58:17 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:58:17 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA Official Notice] Be a GPCA Delegate to
	GPUS
References: <45F371BB.D02249A1@greens.org>
Message-ID: <46088849.1030103@earthlink.net>


The deadline for applications is today, BUT, I have heard
that they may be taking applications for a few more days.

For more info, contact Sanda or Cat, (emails below).

Gerry




Jim Stauffer wrote:

> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] Be a GPCA Delegate to GPUS
> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:52:17 -0800
> From: County Contacts <contacts2006 at cagreens.org>
> Reply-To: contacts2006 at cagreens.org
> To: County Contacts <Contacts2006 at cagreens.org>
> 
> GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE
> 
> This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List.  For more information,
> or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. 
> Follow the contact directions
> stated in the email.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> (Time Sensitive Announcement-Please forward widely as appropriate)
> 
> 
> *HOW TO APPLY FOR A Green National Committee (GNC) DELEGATE OR ALTERNATE 
> SEAT:*
> 
> 
> The Green Party of California is always looking for interested 
> California Greens to serve at the national level of the state party. The 
> only strict requirement is that you be a registered Green in 
> California.  The next couple of years should be a very exciting time in 
> the Green Party at the national level.  The major decisions of the 
> National Committee will primarily be focused on rules and policies 
> leading to the 2008 Convention, so it will be a very interesting time, 
> and a good reason for YOUR input!!
> 
> We prefer those who have served in some capacity at the state and/or 
> county party level and will ask for a referral from a state or county 
> representative, if we're not familiar with your green party activity. We 
> strongly encourage those who self-identify as a minority, whether by 
> region, gender, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or disability.
> 
> California has 13 Delegate seats and 13 Alternate seats at present. 
> There are seven seats open for Delegate, out of thirteen, and 9 seats 
> open for alternates. As delegates are usually elected with staggered 
> terms throughout the year, this number is larger than usual because of 
> the length of time since the last plenary. Note that some delegates and 
> alternates currently holding those seats will also be running for 
> reelection. If some form of Delegate Apportionment passes at the 
> national level, CA will more than triple its delegation.
> 
> There will be elections by the General Assembly at the GPCA Plenary in 
> San Francisco May 26-27 for these seats, by IRV. We need your 
> two-paragraph bios/applications by MARCH 26  for inclusion in the 
> plenary packets.  Get your applications in NOW so you can included in 
> the election. LETTERS OF APPLICATION MUST BE RECEIVED BY THE GPCA-CC by 
> March 26 to be in compliance with our bylaws. An editable application 
> can be found at   
> http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_gpus_delegation.rtf 
> <http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_gpus_delegation.rtf>
> BIOGRAPHIES MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE GPCA-CC by that date in order to be 
> forwarded to the counties, to be reviewed by the current delegation and 
> to be submitted as part of the Plenary Packet. You may also submit an 
> optional campaign statement.  The CC announcement of these openings and 
> relevant by-laws can be found at 
> http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_gpus_delegation_2007.php
>  From that page you can find contact information  for the CCand other 
> information about the delgation. 
> 
> If you are applying for a position on the CA delegation, please also 
> write to the CA Delegation Co-chairs. Please include a short bio of any 
> party or other relevant experience you are bringing to the position, and 
> include why you would like to serve with the Delegation. You can find 
> more information and roster on the delegation's website!  
> http://votegreen.org/gpus-ca You can also contact the Co-Chairs with 
> your questions.  If you have even thought about the idea, but did not 
> think you had the time, please let us know.  If we end up needing a 
> delegation 40 strong, we will need many of you and will work with you to 
> come up to speed and to figure out how to fit us into your life. 
> Applications should also be sent to the GPUS Delegation ASAP if the 
> applicant wishes to receive an endorsement from the Delegation, so that 
> we can get those endoresements into the plenary packet as well.
> 
> Thank you.  We look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Sanda Everette - sanda at greens.org   sanda at greens.org
> 
> Cat Woods - cat801 at mindspring.com   cat801 at mindspring.com
> 
> GPCA California Delegation to GPUS, Co-Chairs
> 




From fredd at freeshell.org  Mon Mar 26 20:19:55 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:19:55 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss]  Kissinger on the times we live in.
Message-ID: <46088D5B.4050105@freeshell.org>

Wes et al,

Since I heard a talk at little Carroll College in Waukesha, Wis, 61 
years ago, I've been interested in the concept of World Federalism based 
on a democratically and carefully enacted constitution.  The speaker was 
a young Unitarian who was the minister of a Manhattan church.  His name 
was Don Harrington.

Harrington spoke of the terrible power of the atomic bombs that were 
unleashed on Japan just about a year and a few months earlier.  He also 
predicted that hydrogen bombs, many times the force of the A Bombs, 
would  be built and would, no doubt, result in a terrifying arms race 
that would threaten the viability of our planet. He was right.

Then he shared his thoughts about a grass roots movement that was 
advocating the formation of an international federation of states  that 
could hold jurisdiction to prevent the development of weapons of mass 
destruction.

Although it was about two and a half decades before I actually got 
actively involved as a United World Federalist member, I have stayed
active as a member of the World Federalist Association (Same org., new 
name.) and, now, it's successor, the Democratic World Federalists (DWF),
headquarters in San Francisco.

FYI, on April 15, the DWF will be hosting Paul N. "Pete" McCloskey who 
will speak on, "War or World Peace Through Law?" and 'America's Wars 
Since 1945."  The occasion will be the 2007 Annual Good Government 
Luncheon-Lecture, to be held at the U. 0f C.- Berkeley International 
House. Registration and Reception at 11:30 am; Luncheon at 12 Noon, 
Former Congressman "Pete" McCloskey's presentation at 12:45. If they 
wish, guests are welcome to stay for a brief DWF board meeting.
(Any of you Green Party friends will get a 50 % discount on tickets if 
you order through me.  Just indicate that you are an active GPSCC member 
who knows Fred.

Check the web site  www.dwfed.org/luncheon.html  for a Pre-Registration 
form.  After April 4, make reservations at 415-227-4880.

Speaking of Kissinger, the San Jose Rep. Theater is now featuring 
"Nixon-Nixon," a hilarious imagined conversation between Richard Nixon 
and Henry Kissinger on the day before Nixon resigned his Presidency.
It's expensive, but a gem. Lois and I were lucky to have been treated to 
the play.

Thanks for reading this far.

Fred Duperrault




I listened to Charlie Rose and Kissinger talk about the times that we
are living in.  I know that a lot of progressives discount all that he
says because the feel he is a war criminal, but one must admit that he
is an intelligent one, if that is your opinion. Be that as it may, I
found that there were several things that he said which made a lot of
sense.

Maybe the most important point that Kissinger made was that we are
living in unusual times.  He likened it to the time when the old
heredity empires of Europe gave way to the idea of a nation.  That was,
in the late 18th or early 19th Century, a radical idea.  Citizens of a
geography bound together by a common language, a common culture.

Now, the pressures of globalization seem to challenge the idea of the
nation as the source of order in our world.  When the problems are
global, (he used the example of global warming) nations are not an
effective structure to deal with them.  Add to that, the fact that the
challenges to nations right now comes from ideologies, not other nations.

Kissinger suggested that, in the face of these two simultaneous events,
that we might need to evolve a new way to organize society, are in fact,
evolving it now, whether consciously or not.

Then ultimately, whatever source of order as evolves, it must be
prepared to deal with the eventuality that there are those who are
willing to create total chaos and mass destruction in order to succeed.
This is the very basic concept of evil.

The second observation was that you need to understand the culture of
those with whom you are dealing.  His first example was that of China,
with a 4,000 year history of either being the dominant force in it's
world, or failing to be because of internal strife... but never from
external sources.   Kissinger still feels that the most important policy
decisions all deal with China.

Finally, he indicated that the nature of the world at this time is that
you can not make fundamental change by military force, but need to exert
influence in a much more nuanced manner, to demonstrate those qualities
which would make nations want to follow you, rather than trying to
bludgeon them into it. (sub-text was that Bush made a mistake in Iraq).

If these observations are close to being right, that the times indicates
we are moving toward a "new world order" (I hate to use that term
because it has so much baggage.) of some nature, then how do we Greens
help define what that is?

Wes

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough;
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com

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From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Mar 26 20:29:47 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:29:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Saturday hike pictures & picnic time
In-Reply-To: <DFC2A5CB-4669-4035-B6E3-34C3A9E18BA9@duendevision.com>
References: <E1HVkY3-00078a-00@truffula>
	<DFC2A5CB-4669-4035-B6E3-34C3A9E18BA9@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <250D8887-1AA1-4BD7-B875-25F376C47274@cagreens.org>

You carnavores are dangerous and not very discriminating in your  
feeding!
Lay off the Green prime and try chewing on the spoiled meat from  
those Major parties.
From: a Dedicated Vegetarian

On Mar 26, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Duende wrote:

>
> On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>
>>
>> Saturday, Tian, Drew, and I scaled the remote and treacherous
>> Nibbs Knob in the fearsome Uvas Canyon County Park.
>> Blistering heat, raging rapids, howling dust storms.
>> We got lost and wandered in the wilderness for days eating
>> tree bark.
>
> And for Desert?
>
>> Actually it was about 72 degrees and clear and
>> we had a nice picnic at the top.
>
> Likely story. How come Tian's been missing. You must have eaten  
> well :-)
>
> Paz
>
> Duende
> \
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From andi at wrytor.com  Mon Mar 26 20:37:28 2007
From: andi at wrytor.com (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:37:28 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Giuliani in Perspective section of SJ Murky on
	Sunday
Message-ID: <3AD930C7-35AF-4FBF-8752-549F6622351D@wrytor.com>

Isn't this the big brain who wanted to cancel the elections due to 9/11?




From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Mar 26 20:42:41 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:42:41 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The Metro
In-Reply-To: <46086717.1030703@charter.net>
References: <46086717.1030703@charter.net>
Message-ID: <75964CD6-BC17-45EF-83C6-9F339E0803AE@cagreens.org>

Did you also notice that DiFi, after kicking up a lot of dust over  
the recent Metro story, has decided to break her connection to those  
questionable investments?

On Mar 26, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Wes Rolley wrote:

> Reading the ads in the Metro can be fun... and I don't mean "those  
> ads".
>
> After reading the Fly demonstrate that Charlotte was ahead of her  
> time,
> again, I went paging through and found this on, linked from the PDF.
>
> http://www.clarum.com/
>
> Imagine that, a zero energy home advertised in the Metro.
>
> -- 
>
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough;
> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
>
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Mon Mar 26 21:39:15 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:39:15 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Saturday hike pictures
In-Reply-To: <E1HVkY3-00078a-00@truffula>
	DFC2A5CB-4669-4035-B6E3-34C3A9E18BA9@duendevision.com
References: <E1HVkY3-00078a-00@truffula>
	DFC2A5CB-4669-4035-B6E3-34C3A9E18BA9@duendevision.com
Message-ID: <46089FF3.9000902@ispwest.com>

As this note indicates, rumors of my passing were a bit exagerated.

I also took some pictures. You can see them at:

http://tian.greens.org/SantaClaraCounty/UvasCanyon/index.html

The wildflowers are getting really good! I urge everybody to see them
before they turn into seed pods that only a shriveled up brown annual
could love...

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
What we call human nature is really human habit. - Jewel



From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar 27 08:01:47 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:01:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] VTA -
Message-ID: <460931DB.6010207@charter.net>

This past week marked a major setback for the Valley Transportation 
Authority.

To begin with, Philadelphia based consultancy, The Hay Group, released a 
report on the VTA's finances.  According to the Mercury News 
<http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_5502823>, the viability of extending 
BART to San Jose is threatened. 
> The 38-page report criticized the agency's decision-making process as 
> being overly influenced by political rather than transportation needs 
> by putting routes in areas where they don't serve the most commuters. 
> The auditors also slammed the agency for expansion plans that fail to 
> deal with a shortfall of at least $2.8 billion over the next three 
> decades and for not being forthcoming about the financial challenges 
> it faces.
The result has been the resignation of the CFO this past week.

Today, an editorial writer in the Morgan Hill Times uses that report to 
justify her call for killing the BART to San Jose project. (Not yet 
online and limited to subscribers anyway).   Her primary reason?  How 
about this...quoted from the Hay Group report.  "The board has approved 
capital project that were political solution to address the needs of 
certain local neighborhoods at the expense of regional congestion 
management.  As a result, VTA has built transportation system that have 
low ridership and are also expensive to operate and maintain."

If now is a time of crisis in the VTA, if the board is being attacked 
for playing politics with tax funded project, if transportation is again 
becoming a major issue, is this not a time for Green action?

In many ways, the Hay Group audit only echos the findings of a Civil 
Grand Jury published in 2004. It seems that we have not learned much 
since nor had the will to make substantive change. Maybe having Mayor 
Reed in San Jose rather than Cheerleader in Chief Gonzales will make a 
difference, but I would not want to bet my home equity on it.   Ooops, 
maybe I am.  The VTA is about to end bus service to my area of Morgan 
Hill. What was that line about "expensive to operate and maintain?"


-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Mar 27 08:09:53 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:09:53 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] VTA: Organizational and Financial Assesment
Message-ID: <460933C1.5030509@charter.net>

It was not easy to find the Hay Group Report on the VTA web site... but 
I did.  It was in the "packet" for the most recent board meeting.

http://www.vta.org/inside/boards/packets/2007/03_mar/032307/org_fin_report.pdf

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 27 10:01:07 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:01:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] DiFi has resigned from MilCon - maybe due to
	Metro expose (was Re: The Metro)
In-Reply-To: <75964CD6-BC17-45EF-83C6-9F339E0803AE@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <911867.22922.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes!!! Cool, some real muckraking!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

Feinstein Resigns

Senator exits MILCON following Metro expos?, vet-care scandal

By Peter Byrne

SEN. Dianne Feinstein has resigned from the Military Construction
Appropriations subcommittee. As previously and extensively reviewed in
these pages, Feinstein was chairperson and ranking member of MILCON for
six years, during which time she had a conflict of interest due to her
husband Richard C. Blum's ownership of two major defense contractors,
who were awarded billions of dollars for military construction projects
approved by Feinstein.

As MILCON leader, Feinstein relished the details of military
construction, even micromanaging one project at the level of its sewer
design. She regularly took junkets to military bases around the world
to inspect construction projects, some of which were contracted to her
husband's companies, Perini Corp. and URS Corp.
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Perhaps she resigned from MILCON because she could not take the heat
generated by Metro's expose of her ethics (which was partially funded
by the Investigative Fund of the Nation Institute). Or was her work on
the subcommittee finished because Blum divested ownership of his
military construction and advanced weapons manufacturing firms in late
2005?

The MILCON subcommittee is not only in charge of supervising military
construction, it also oversees "quality of life" issues for veterans,
which includes building housing for military families and operating
hospitals and clinics for wounded soldiers. Perhaps Feinstein is trying
to disassociate herself from MILCON's incredible failure to provide
decent medical care for wounded soldiers.

Two years ago, before the Washington Post became belatedly involved,
the online magazine Salon.com exposed the horrors of deficient medical
care for Iraq war veterans. While leading MILCON, Feinstein had ample
warning of the medical-care meltdown. But she was not proactive on
veteran's affairs.

Feinstein abandoned MILCON as her ethical problems were surfacing in
the media, and as it was becoming clear that her subcommittee left
grievously wounded veterans to rot while her family was profiting from
the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. It turns out that Blum also
holds large investments in companies that were selling medical
equipment and supplies and real estate leases?often without the benefit
of competitive bidding?to the Department of Veterans Affairs, even as
the system of medical care for veterans collapsed on his wife's watch.

As of December 2006, according to SEC filings and www.fedspending.org,
three corporations in which Blum's financial entities own a total of $1
billion in stock won considerable favor from the budgets of the
Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs:

# Boston Scientific Corporation: $17.8 million for medical equipment
and supplies; 85 percent of contracts awarded without benefit of
competition.

# Kinetic Concepts Inc.: $12 million, medical equipment and supplies;
28 percent noncompetitively awarded.

# CB Richard Ellis: The Blum-controlled international real estate firm
holds congressionally funded contracts to lease office space to the
Department of Veterans Affairs. It also is involved in redeveloping
military bases turned over to the private sector.

You would think that, considering all the money Feinstein's family has
pocketed by waging global warfare while ignoring the plight of wounded
American soldiers, she would show a smidgeon of shame and resign from
the entire Senate, not just a subcommittee. Conversely, you'd think she
might stick around MILCON to try and fix the medical-care disaster she
helped to engineer for the vets who were suckered into fighting her and
Bush's panoply of unjust wars.

Contact Peter Byrne or send a letter to the editor about this story. 

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> Did you also notice that DiFi, after kicking up a lot of dust over  
> the recent Metro story, has decided to break her connection to those 
> 
> questionable investments?
> 
> On Mar 26, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Wes Rolley wrote:
> 
> > Reading the ads in the Metro can be fun... and I don't mean "those 
> 
> > ads".
> >
> > After reading the Fly demonstrate that Charlotte was ahead of her  
> > time,
> > again, I went paging through and found this on, linked from the
> PDF.
> >
> > http://www.clarum.com/
> >
> > Imagine that, a zero energy home advertised in the Metro.
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> > Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> > Being willing is not enough;
> > We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> > Wesley C. Rolley
> > 17211 Quail Court
> > Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> > (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 27 10:07:21 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:07:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Charlotte in the Metro!
Message-ID: <20070327170722.52990.qmail@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Reposting since it didn't go through the first time...

Date:	 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:38:15 -0700 (PDT)
From:	"JamBoi" <jamboi at yahoo.com>  View Contact Details View Contac
Subject: Charlotte in the Metro!
To: ccasey at pacbell.net, svic at lists.riseup.net,
<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>

Our very own Charlotte Casey gets a lovely photo and positive mention
in The Fly column in the latest copy of The Metro's re: San Jose own
Jeppesen Co, the self-proclaimed "Torture Flight" company (capitalism
Silicon Valley can be proud of - not!)

It's not on-line yet (probably next week I'm guessing), and since I
can't copy and paste from the PDF article (avaiable @
http://www.metropdf.com/0712_MT_1_front.pdf ) I'll save my fingies and
only type the relevant sentence:

"At the end of last year South Bay Mobilization's Charlotte Casey asked
the Council to remove Jeppesen's banner from the Downtown Ice and was
ignored."  

Way to go Charlotte!

Impeach for Peace!

Drew Johnson
Green Party of SCC County Council Member

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 27 11:15:12 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:15:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Spiraling premiums: the solution is single-payer,
	by Ron Forthofer
Message-ID: <20070327181512.74923.qmail@web52205.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Spiraling premiums: the solution is single-payer (Ron Forthofer, Rocky
Mtn. News)
Date:	Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:08:18 -0700 (PDT)


Plug the health care drain

Spiraling insurance premiums threaten the state's
economic security. Moving to a single-payer
system - public funding, private providers - just
makes sense.


By Ron Forthofer [2002 Green candidate for
governor of Colorado]
Rocky Mountain News, March 24, 2007
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/other_business/article/0,2777,DRMN_23916_5439743,00.html


Although health care is the top domestic concern
of Americans, neither the Bush administration nor
congressional leaders are willing to provide the
leadership necessary to solve the crises
confronting uninsured and underinsured Americans
and U.S. businesses. Leading politicians continue
to put campaign contributions from the health
insurance and pharmaceutical industries ahead of
the interests of other businesses and the
American public. However, as U.S. businesses are
faced with ever increasing health insurance
premiums, more are willing to tackle the crisis
and become a part of the solution. 
In an October address, Dr. Henry E. Simmons,
president of the National Coalition on Health
Care, the nation's largest health care alliance,
said: "The escalation of health care costs is no
longer only a health care issue. It has now
created a gigantic national economic problem. For
as these costs rise, they slow the rate of
economic growth. By cutting into corporate
operating margins, they reduce the capacity of
firms to grow by investing in research, plant and
equipment. And they put American firms at a steep
disadvantage in world markets, where they have to
compete against companies in countries with much
lower health care costs." 

Ever-increasing health insurance premiums put
small businesses in a bind. They often face the
impossible choice of providing jobs or health
insurance. In addition to the direct costs of
insurance, each small business pays staff to deal
with health insurance brokers/companies.
Employers who can't afford a staff person often
conduct negotiations themselves. All this time
and money spent on the complex array of health
insurance "gotchas," multiplied across thousands
of small businesses in Colorado, represent
millions of dollars that could be invested
elsewhere. 

Health insurance coverage also impacts the
ability to attract and retain employees: 

? If a small business doesn't offer health
insurance, potential employees may not consider
its job openings. 

? A business that offers insurance must be
careful whom it hires since one person with a
serious health problem could drive premiums sky
high. 

? A business providing health insurance is likely
to have higher labor costs than a nonproviding
competitor, putting it at a disadvantage in
bidding situations. 

Large businesses also are stymied. S. Gary
Snodgrass, executive vice president of Exelon
Corp., one of the country's largest public
utilities, said health coverage for its employees
and retirees is its fastest-growing expense.
Between 2001 and 2004, he said, those costs rose
70 percent, forcing the company to shift more of
the burden to workers. 

Ford Motor Co. spent almost $12,500 per hourly
employee and retiree on health care expenses in
2002. William Clay Ford Jr., executive chairman
of the board, said the rising cost of health
benefits is the "biggest issue on our plate that
we can't solve. Health care is out of control.
It's a system that's broke." 

In the fall of 2002, the Big Three automakers in
Canada said: "The (Canadian) public health care
system significantly reduces total labor costs
for automobile manufacturing firms, compared to
the cost of equivalent private insurance services
purchased by U.S.-based automakers; these health
insurance savings can amount to several dollars
per hour of labor worked. Publicly funded health
care thus accounts for a significant portion of
Canada's overall labor cost advantage in auto
assembly, vs. the U.S., which in turn has been a
significant factor in maintaining and attracting
new auto investment to Canada." 

In June 2005, Toyota placed a new plant in
Ontario instead of the United States, and health
care costs were a key consideration. 

The Canadian system reduces the role of the
insurance industry - and, hence, the
administrative burden on the health care system.
Applying the Canadian model to the U.S. means
that instead of having more than 1,200 private
health insurers - each with its own costly
bureaucracy and concomitant expenses - there
would be only one group in each state dealing
with administration. The Canadian health care
delivery system is private, but the financing is
public. It is a tax-based system costing far less
than we pay in the U.S. 

Health care expenses in the U.S. consume about 16
percent of our GDP vs. about 10 percent in
Canada. The U.S. "system" is wasteful, with as
much as 25 percent of premiums used for things
other than health care. More importantly, the
Canadian system covers everyone with
comprehensive medical care, whereas our "system"
fails to cover almost 47 million Americans, and
another 30 million to 50 million are
underinsured. 

Studies by the Government Accounting Office and
the Congressional Budget Office show that the
single-payer system - public funding and private
health care - can provide universal comprehensive
coverage here and save money over the current
failed market-based approach. These studies are
supported by a May 2005 report by Kenneth Thorpe
for the National Coalition on Health Care. Thorpe
is the former top economist at the Department of
Health and Human Services and now is chairman of
the Health Policy and Management Department of
Emory University in Atlanta. The report projected
a saving of $1.1 trillion in the first 10 years
under a universal, publicly financed system -
even while insurance coverage is extended to
every American and stronger quality measures are
put in place, a far larger savings than other
proposals for reforming the U.S. market-based
health insurance system. 

Under the single-payer approach, business saves
because it would not waste resources researching
health insurance decisions, and workers
compensation costs would drop due to removal of
the health care component. The playing field
would be leveled in hiring and in competitive
bidding. Uncertainty about health care costs
would be eliminated. Large companies would boost
their competitiveness in international markets. 

Business can best protect its interests by
supporting the single-payer bill now in Congress,
H.R. 676. Among the 55 co-sponsors of this bill,
none is from Colorado. If major surgery is not
performed on the U.S. health care system, U.S.
businesses and tens of millions of Americans will
continue to pay a steep price for the failure to
act. 

Ron Forthofer is a retired professor of
biostatistics at the University of Texas School
of Public Health in Houston. A resident of
Longmont, he was the Green Party candidate for
governor of Colorado in 2002 and won 4 percent of
the vote in Colorado's 2nd Congressional District
in 2000. He can be reached at
ron_forthofer at yahoo.com

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 27 11:32:50 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:32:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA Official Notice] Be a GPCA Delegate to
	GPUS
In-Reply-To: <46088849.1030103@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <562684.52929.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Sanda Everett said they were up to something like 22 but if the GPCA
proposal passes they'll need between 36 and 42, so we NEED more of
y'all to participate.  Come on y'all its fun!  Who's going to join me
for a trip to the National Annual Meeting in Reading Pennsylvania uly
12-15, 2007 http://gp.org/press/pr_2007_02_06b.shtml

Hint: The Bay Area Green Parties are planning to put in a bid to hold
the 2008 Nominating Convention HERE in the SF Bay Area!!! So get
involved now to help make this happen. :-)

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> The deadline for applications is today, BUT, I have heard
> that they may be taking applications for a few more days.
> 
> For more info, contact Sanda or Cat, (emails below).
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Stauffer wrote:
> 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] Be a GPCA Delegate to GPUS
> > Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:52:17 -0800
> > From: County Contacts <contacts2006 at cagreens.org>
> > Reply-To: contacts2006 at cagreens.org
> > To: County Contacts <Contacts2006 at cagreens.org>
> > 
> > GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE
> > 
> > This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List.  For more
> information,
> > or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit
> reply. 
> > Follow the contact directions
> > stated in the email.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > (Time Sensitive Announcement-Please forward widely as appropriate)
> > 
> > 
> > *HOW TO APPLY FOR A Green National Committee (GNC) DELEGATE OR
> ALTERNATE 
> > SEAT:*
> > 
> > 
> > The Green Party of California is always looking for interested 
> > California Greens to serve at the national level of the state
> party. The 
> > only strict requirement is that you be a registered Green in 
> > California.  The next couple of years should be a very exciting
> time in 
> > the Green Party at the national level.  The major decisions of the 
> > National Committee will primarily be focused on rules and policies 
> > leading to the 2008 Convention, so it will be a very interesting
> time, 
> > and a good reason for YOUR input!!
> > 
> > We prefer those who have served in some capacity at the state
> and/or 
> > county party level and will ask for a referral from a state or
> county 
> > representative, if we're not familiar with your green party
> activity. We 
> > strongly encourage those who self-identify as a minority, whether
> by 
> > region, gender, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or disability.
> > 
> > California has 13 Delegate seats and 13 Alternate seats at present.
> 
> > There are seven seats open for Delegate, out of thirteen, and 9
> seats 
> > open for alternates. As delegates are usually elected with
> staggered 
> > terms throughout the year, this number is larger than usual because
> of 
> > the length of time since the last plenary. Note that some delegates
> and 
> > alternates currently holding those seats will also be running for 
> > reelection. If some form of Delegate Apportionment passes at the 
> > national level, CA will more than triple its delegation.
> > 
> > There will be elections by the General Assembly at the GPCA Plenary
> in 
> > San Francisco May 26-27 for these seats, by IRV. We need your 
> > two-paragraph bios/applications by MARCH 26  for inclusion in the 
> > plenary packets.  Get your applications in NOW so you can included
> in 
> > the election. LETTERS OF APPLICATION MUST BE RECEIVED BY THE
> GPCA-CC by 
> > March 26 to be in compliance with our bylaws. An editable
> application 
> > can be found at   
> > http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_gpus_delegation.rtf 
> > <http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_gpus_delegation.rtf>
> > BIOGRAPHIES MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE GPCA-CC by that date in order
> to be 
> > forwarded to the counties, to be reviewed by the current delegation
> and 
> > to be submitted as part of the Plenary Packet. You may also submit
> an 
> > optional campaign statement.  The CC announcement of these openings
> and 
> > relevant by-laws can be found at 
> > http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/notice_gpus_delegation_2007.php
> >  From that page you can find contact information  for the CCand
> other 
> > information about the delgation. 
> > 
> > If you are applying for a position on the CA delegation, please
> also 
> > write to the CA Delegation Co-chairs. Please include a short bio of
> any 
> > party or other relevant experience you are bringing to the
> position, and 
> > include why you would like to serve with the Delegation. You can
> find 
> > more information and roster on the delegation's website!  
> > http://votegreen.org/gpus-ca You can also contact the Co-Chairs
> with 
> > your questions.  If you have even thought about the idea, but did
> not 
> > think you had the time, please let us know.  If we end up needing a
> 
> > delegation 40 strong, we will need many of you and will work with
> you to 
> > come up to speed and to figure out how to fit us into your life. 
> > Applications should also be sent to the GPUS Delegation ASAP if the
> 
> > applicant wishes to receive an endorsement from the Delegation, so
> that 
> > we can get those endoresements into the plenary packet as well.
> > 
> > Thank you.  We look forward to hearing from you.
> > 
> > Sanda Everette - sanda at greens.org   sanda at greens.org
> > 
> > Cat Woods - cat801 at mindspring.com   cat801 at mindspring.com
> > 
> > GPCA California Delegation to GPUS, Co-Chairs
> > 
> 
> 
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The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
"To the brave belong all things"

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"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 27 11:50:37 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:50:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Saturday hike pictures & picnic time
In-Reply-To: <250D8887-1AA1-4BD7-B875-25F376C47274@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <187200.87066.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well thing is Andie that the Dempublicans provide very scanty vitle's
for the eatin'.  At this point the Dems in particular have no spine and
are just sort of a gelatinous mass.  Yech! I'm Colorado, and at
CU/Boulder we have a long traditi'n of celebratin' Alfred Packer day
("Packer, you depraved Republican son of a bitch! There were only five
Democrats in Hinsdale County and you ate them all!" purported statement
of sentencing judge).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alferd_Packer
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/alfred_packer/index.html

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> You carnavores are dangerous and not very discriminating in your  
> feeding!
> Lay off the Green prime and try chewing on the spoiled meat from  
> those Major parties.
> From: a Dedicated Vegetarian
> 
> On Mar 26, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Duende wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Saturday, Tian, Drew, and I scaled the remote and treacherous
> >> Nibbs Knob in the fearsome Uvas Canyon County Park.
> >> Blistering heat, raging rapids, howling dust storms.
> >> We got lost and wandered in the wilderness for days eating
> >> tree bark.
> >
> > And for Desert?
> >
> >> Actually it was about 72 degrees and clear and
> >> we had a nice picnic at the top.
> >
> > Likely story. How come Tian's been missing. You must have eaten  
> > well :-)
> >
> > Paz
> >
> > Duende
> > \
> > ____________________________________
> > The basis of life is Freedom
> > The objective of life is Joy
> > The result of life is Growth
> > - Abraham, 1989
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >
> 
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The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
"To the brave belong all things"

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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Tue Mar 27 23:11:45 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:11:45 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] tabling opportunity
Message-ID: <460A0721.2060408@sbcglobal.net>

The annual celebration of the Persian New Year is being held
in Vasona County Park in Los Gatos this coming Saturday and
Sunday, March 31 and April 1.

I received a call from Arzheng tonight, Tuesday, in which he told me
of the event.  He is working trying to get a table for South Bay 
Mobilisation.
Tentatively, that could be a shared table.  Or, if miracles happen, we might
have our own table.  And finally, we could just have an informal presence,
walk around and try to register voters.

These are last minute arrangements and not yet guaranteed.  However, it
could benefit the Greens to be there in some capacity, to be seen.

Arzheng told me that the early birds start arriving at 9 am but the formal
portion of the scheduled events does not start until 11 am and lasts 
until sunset.

That is what I know as of now.
Let me know if you are interested.

Jim Doyle




From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Tue Mar 27 23:59:30 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:59:30 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Two opportunities this weekend to spread the
	Green Party word!
Message-ID: <d33.8e15058.333b6c52@aol.com>

Hi All,

I sent out an email about the 14th Annual Commemorative "Si Se Puede" March 
this Saturday 
March 31 in San Jose.  The March is commerorating Cesar Chavez.  Is anybody 
going to join me or will I be the only one representing our Greens?  We will 
need signs.  (see below for a sign idea)

This "Si Se Puede" March is one opportunity.  The other opportunity is the 
annual celebration
of the Persian New Year in Vasona Park on both Saturday and Sunday, March 31 
and April 1 that Jim sent out in an email.

Merriam

SATURDAY: Chavez Family Vision, Inc. presents:

14th Annual Commemorative "Si Se Puede" March
Saturday, March 31, 10:00 a.m. 
Mexican Heritage Plaza, 1700 Alum Rock Ave., at King Rd in East San Jose
March through historic East Side neighborhood where Cesar grew up and then 
return to Mexican Heritage Plaza to enjoy live entertainment.



Subj:   An opportunity to show solidarity with the latino community/SI Se 
Puede March?    
Date:   3/26/2007 12:53:30 AM Pacific Standard Time 
From:   MKmusic03   
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org    
    


Hi All,

Let's get a group of us together to join this March.? We can participate in 
the March and then afterwards go to Morgan Hill for the Strategy meeting.

Who wants to be a part of a Green Party of Santa Clara County contingency to 
march in solidarity with our Latino brothers and sisters?

Merriam

Also we need some signs that say:

????????? ???????????? Si Se Puede!
???????????? ? Honoring Cesar Chavez Vision
?????????????????? The Green Party of Santa Clara County

???????????????????????????????? or

??????????????????????? Si Se Puede!
??????????? The Green Party Of Santa Clara County
?????? 

SATURDAY: Chavez Family Vision, Inc. presents:

14th Annual Commemorative "Si Se Puede" March
Saturday, March 31, 10:00 a.m. 
Mexican Heritage Plaza, 1700 Alum Rock Ave., at King Rd in East San Jose
March through historic East Side neighborhood where Cesar grew up and then 
return to Mexican Heritage Plaza to enjoy live entertainment.

Subj:   [Sosfbay-discuss] tabling opportunity?  
Date:   3/27/2007 10:12:13 PM Pacific Standard Time 
From:   j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net 
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org    
Sent from the Internet (Details)    
    


The annual celebration of the Persian New Year is being held
in Vasona County Park in Los Gatos this coming Saturday and
Sunday, March 31 and April 1.

I received a call from Arzheng tonight, Tuesday, in which he told me
of the event.? He is working trying to get a table for South Bay 
Mobilisation.
Tentatively, that could be a shared table.? Or, if miracles happen, we might
have our own table.? And finally, we could just have an informal presence,
walk around and try to register voters.

These are last minute arrangements and not yet guaranteed.? However, it
could benefit the Greens to be there in some capacity, to be seen.

Arzheng told me that the early birds start arriving at 9 am but the formal
portion of the scheduled events does not start until 11 am and lasts 
until sunset.

That is what I know as of now.
Let me know if you are interested.

Jim Doyle














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From egroups at duendevision.com  Wed Mar 28 08:03:37 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:03:37 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Dems won't try to limit Bush's power to
	attack	Iran (AP)
In-Reply-To: <45F6FEDD.3090505@earthlink.net>
References: <749524.99276.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>
	<45F6FEDD.3090505@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6887F4AD-EE45-4EA6-BA25-5311D06E16AE@duendevision.com>

I'm uncomfortable with the label of liberal or even progressive  
anymore. I'm more prone to use the label "humanist". Let me define  
humanist as someone concerned with the survival of the human race  
(self) and realizes that this survival requires cooperation as  
opposed to competition. A humanist recognizes or at least  
acknowledges the interdependence of all living thing and sees his  
survival as linked with the survival of others. Also, the word  
"humanist" make it pretty hard for the right to attack  and lets the  
observer know our deepest agenda.  Maybe one day we can have a 2  
party system. Humanists and Corporatists as opposed to the one party  
system we now have. I see the Greens as a perfect vehicle for  
humanists though it doesn't seem to roll very well at times. Ideally  
humanists will ride up in every "party".

That said, my take is that no true humanist in the Democratic party  
would "give in" to pressure at this point or at any point before or  
after 9-11. There's always been too much on the table. Those that do  
cave in were never really humanist. They were just posing using the  
guise of liberal. They may have been deceiving themselves but it's a  
deception non the less. However it's a deception that most on this  
list were aware of.  I'm glad that there are a few humanists running  
around capitol hill, but their voices are muted and their survival as  
main stream politicians pretty much in jeopardy.

Why?

Because the population itself doesn't identify itself as humanist.  
Far too many in or society think it's perfectly alright to impose our  
will as a country on another country that is lesser in their minds  
than were are. We think it's reasonablr for other peoples children to  
work in sweat shops since their lives are already pathetic and  
they're used to suffering. This is also done on the individual basis.  
When we Greens think we're morally superior to a flag waver from the  
mid west (or Central Valley) we become part of the problem. It  
happens when we judge any human being, even Cheney and Bush, as being  
less than human at some level. It happens to everyone. If you've  
never fallen for this in your life please step forward and announce  
your self to the crowd.(I'll want to see the holes in your hands  
( wrists for the historian)) If you've managed to stop doing this,  
please share how you did so. If this is a conscious struggle in your  
life then gOD bless.

Becoming the change that you want to see is a lot more than just  
recycling and riding a bike.

Peace

Duende




On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:

>
> Framing is important.
>
> If you read this casually, you could say that the
> right's thinking is reasonable.  That what they are
> saying is that they don't want [our side] to have its
> hands tied in its diplomacy with the other.
>
> But the attempted Congressional action was not to
> take any options completely off the table, but to
> say that the Administration could not attack Iran
> without Congress's approval.  So the liberal Dems
> are supporting the Constitution while the Reps and
> conservative Dems are saying let's give full authority
> to the Bush Administration, never mind their past
> track record, never mind the Constitution.
>
> And now apparently the liberal Dems are giving in.
>
> ...
>
> It looks like the most likely scenario is one all too
> common in history,  Two sides do saber rattling in the
> attempt to get the other side to "cooperate" (i.e.
> give in), the rhetoric escalates, then one side says
> it is hopeless, we must attack before they do, and
> war ensues, and one or both sides lose big time.
>
> Of course in this case it will be the U.S. or Israel
> that will attack, and Iran, Israel, and the U.S. will
> all suffer.  Unless ...
>
> Gerry
>
>
> JamBoi wrote:
>
>>  Dems won't try to limit Bush's power to attack Iran (AP)
>> Date:	 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>> Dems abandon war authority provision
>>
>> By DAVID ESPO and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press
>> Writers
>> March 12, 2007
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070312/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq
>>
>>
>> WASHINGTON - Top House Democrats retreated Monday
>> from an attempt to limit President Bush's
>> authority for taking military action against Iran
>> as the leadership concentrated on a looming
>> confrontation with the White House over the Iraq
>> war.
>>
>> Officials said Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other
>> members of the leadership had decided to strip
>> from a major military spending bill a requirement
>> for Bush to gain approval from Congress before
>> moving against Iran.
>>
>> Conservative Democrats as well as lawmakers
>> concerned about the possible impact on
>> Israel had argued for the change in strategy.
>>
>> The developments occurred as Democrats pointed
>> toward an initial test vote in the House
>> Appropriations Committee on Thursday on the
>> overall bill, which would require the withdrawal
>> of U.S. combat troops from Iraq by Sept. 1, 2008,
>> if not earlier. The measure provides nearly $100
>> billion to pay for fighting in two wars, and
>> includes more money than the president requested
>> for operations in Afghanistan and what Democrats
>> called training and equipment shortages.
>>
>> The White House has issued a veto threat against
>> the bill, and Vice President Dick Cheney attacked
>> its supporters in a speech, declaring they "are
>> telling the enemy simply to watch the clock and
>> wait us out."
>>
>> House GOP Leader John Boehner of Ohio issued a
>> statement that said Democrats shouldn't count on
>> any help passing their legislation. "Republicans
>> will continue to stand united in this debate, and
>> will oppose efforts by Democrats to undermine the
>> ability of General Petraeus and our troops to
>> achieve victory in the Global War on Terror," he
>> said.
>>
>> Top Democrats had a different perspective.
>>
>> Pelosi issued a written statement that said the
>> vice president's remarks prove that "the
>> administration's answer to continuing violence in
>> Iraq is more troops and more treasure from the
>> American people."
>>
>> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said
>> in a statement that America was less safe today
>> because of the war. The president "must change
>> course, and it's time for the Senate to demand he
>> do it," he added.
>>
>> The Iran-related proposal stemmed from a desire
>> to make sure Bush did not launch an attack
>> without going to Congress for approval, but drew
>> opposition from numerous members of the rank and
>> file in a series of closed-door sessions last
>> week.
>>
>> Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., said in an
>> interview there is widespread fear in Israel
>> about Iran, which is believed to be seeking
>> nuclear weapons and has expressed unremitting
>> hostility about the Jewish state.
>>
>> "It would take away perhaps the most important
>> negotiating tool that the U.S. has when it comes
>> to Iran," she said of the now-abandoned
>> provision.
>>
>> "I didn't think it was a very wise idea to take
>> things off the table if you're trying to get
>> people to modify their behavior and normalize it
>> in a civilized way," said Rep. Gary Ackerman of
>> New York.
>>
>> Several officials said there was widespread
>> opposition to the proposal at a closed-door
>> meeting last week of conservative and moderate
>> Democrats, who said they feared tying the hands
>> of the administration when dealing with an
>> unpredictable and potentially hostile regime in
>> Tehran.
>>
>> Public opinion has swung the way of Democrats on
>> the issue of the war. More than six in 10
>> Americans think the conflict was a mistake -- the
>> largest number yet found in AP-Ipsos polling.
>>
>> But Democrats have struggled to find a compromise
>> that can satisfy both liberals who oppose any
>> funding for the military effort and conservatives
>> who do not want to unduly restrict the commander
>> in chief.
>>
>> "This supplemental should be about supporting the
>> troops and providing what they need," said Rep.
>> Dan Boren, D-Okla., on Monday upon returning from
>> a trip to Iraq. Boren said he plans to oppose any
>> legislation setting a clear deadline for troops
>> to leave.
>>
>> In his speech, Cheney chided lawmakers who are
>> pressing for tougher action on Iran to oppose the
>> president on the Iraq War.
>>
>> "It is simply not consistent for anyone to demand
>> aggressive action against the menace posed by the
>> Iranian regime while at the same time acquiescing
>> in a retreat from Iraq that would leave our worst
>> enemies dramatically emboldened and Israel's best
>> friend, the United States, dangerously weakened,"
>> he said.
>>
>> ___________________
>>
>> JamBoi
>> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>>
>> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
>> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Wed Mar 28 09:19:35 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:19:35 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Two opportunities this weekend to spread the
	Green Party word!
Message-ID: <E1HWas3-0003Y6-00@truffula>


We're very low on literature for both events.


cls



From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Mar 28 09:22:33 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:22:33 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Two opportunities this weekend to spread the
 Green Party word!
In-Reply-To: <d33.8e15058.333b6c52@aol.com>
References: <d33.8e15058.333b6c52@aol.com>
Message-ID: <460A9649.8080605@charter.net>

MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I sent out an email about the 14th Annual Commemorative "Si Se Puede" 
> March this Saturday
> March 31 in San Jose. The March is commerorating Cesar Chavez. Is 
> anybody going to join me or will I be the only one representing our 
> Greens? We will need signs. (see below for a sign idea)
>
> This "Si Se Puede" March is one opportunity. The other opportunity is 
> the annual celebration
> of the Persian New Year in Vasona Park on both Saturday and Sunday, 
> March 31 and April 1 that Jim sent out in an email.
>
> Merriam
On the GROW telecon last night, we approved the idea of new tabling 
materials using a slogan that contains "SI SE PUEDE".

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Mar 28 09:25:47 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:25:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Two opportunities this weekend to spread the
 Green Party word!
In-Reply-To: <E1HWas3-0003Y6-00@truffula>
References: <E1HWas3-0003Y6-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <460A970B.9080009@charter.net>

Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> We're very low on literature for both events.
Can we get them in time from the Clearinghouse?   I know that they just furnished Jo Chamberlain with materials. 

Further question: what is the status of the GPSCC budget relating to paying the Clearninghouse for them?

Wes 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Mar 28 09:31:23 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:31:23 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Feedback from GRassroots Organizing Working
	group. (GROW)
Message-ID: <460A985B.4030609@charter.net>

The GPCA budget for next fiscal year is close reaching it's final 
recommended form.  There are two items that are worth attention.

The budget from the Treasurer contained $500 for County Council Support.  

It also dropped money for Tabling.  We agreed on the telecon to maintain 
funding for tabling and still stay with the total $ budget for GROW.

FYI.  Over 50% of the GROW budget ($9,000) goes for Green Focus.

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 28 10:03:36 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:03:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Two opportunities this weekend to spread the
	Green Party word!
In-Reply-To: <E1HWas3-0003Y6-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <914814.83369.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I gave some of the copies of the new national "Green Pages" and "The
Real Difference" (comparison card of The Duopoly corporate parties to
the Green Parties) to Jim Stauffer after the March 17th Out of
Iraq/Hands off Iran rally and maybe Jim can bring that.  I've got more
which I'll bring.  I don't have much in spanish (or persian ;-) ) which
is what we really need.  Tim is starting to collect some literature in
spanish.

Everybody don't forget the Strategy Committee kickoff meeting in Morgan
Hill this Saturday (after we participate in the "Si Se Puede" rally
we'll carpool to Morgan Hill.

Organize, Energize, Coalize!

Drew

--- "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us> wrote:

> 
> We're very low on literature for both events.
> 
> 
> cls

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From original.patriot at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 28 10:40:42 2007
From: original.patriot at yahoo.com (Mark Johnson)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:40:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] YOU should run for Congress
In-Reply-To: <CEFD8724-722F-4954-AA83-507B93B6E2E2@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <872892.57190.qm@web31411.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Help is on the way Andie.  I don't mean from me, I
mean from GenX in general.  We GenXers do not think or
operate like y'all Boomer, no.  So I think its
sometimes hard for y'all to get that there's an
amazing engine for change that is reving up in this
country.  Did y'all catch that the youth vote was huge
in the 2006 election?  We'll certainly need the
guidance and input from our elders, but we'll supply
the energy and enthusiasm if y'all will simply refrain
from dumping cold water on us.  If we (The Greens)
build it, they (the needed party members and
volunteers) will come.

Vote for a Clean Green sweep of the House in 2008!

Mark Johnson
(AKA Drew)

--- Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:

> Why not.  If you're young, smart, wily, and
> physically strong and  
> healthy, why not.  You're going to need all those
> qualities and more,  
> but if you can get the Greens not to cringe every
> time the donkeys  
> and elephants whisper, "spoiler!", you might have a
> chance.   
> Everywhere I see the red, sunken eyes of despair or
> rage.  Somebody  
> has to do something and it might as well be "you." 
> Why not?
> Andrea
> 
> On Mar 24, 2007, at 7:06 PM, Mark Johnson wrote:
> 
> > I'm thinking I will.  Why don't you?  Or run for
> > something or other. The GPSCC *needs* to field
> solid
> > candidates all up and down the slate and most
> > certainly against at *least* Eshoo (my target),
> > Lofgren (Roy Nordblum's target) and Honda (Merriam
> is
> > looking for someone).  Maybe we can let Jerry
> McNerney
> > off the hook for now, but the rest *must* go.
> >
> > And hey, if we can get multiple candidates and
> have
> > some primary action, all the better.  That way we
> can
> > hold debates against each other, even if the
> incumbent
> > Dems won't come out of their spider holes.
> > Furthermore if good progressive Peace & Freedom,
> Dems,
> > Repubs, Libertarians, independent, etc. candidates
> > rise to the occasion, all the better.  It'll set a
> > progressive tone for the debate and increase the
> > chances of ousting the toady Dems.
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Mark Johnson
> > (AKA Drew)
> >
> > Here's an inspirational blog explaining why You
> should
> > run for Congress.
> >
> > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/19/22550/9226
> >
> > YOU should run for Congress
> > by WI Deadhead
> > Sat Feb 19, 2005 at 07:55:00 PM PDT
> > Now that you have read the other diaries and
> worked up
> > a good head of steam, I want to tell you how to
> > relieve that pressure before your head explodes. 
> RUN
> > FOR CONGRESS.  Fact:  In 2004 there were 34
> incumbents
> > that had NO OPPONENT.  Add that nearly 100% of
> > incumbents win their race and we get a turnover
> rate
> > lower than that of just about any tin horn
> > dictatorship's rubber stamp body.  Below the fold
> I'll
> > give more persuasion and some concrete suggestions
> for
> > getting started.
> >
> >     * WI Deadhead's diary :: ::
> > *
> >
> > In 2000 I ran an "unwinnable" race against a
> powerful,
> > entrenched incumbent.  I had a staff of exactly
> one
> > (me), worked a fulltime job that was 40 miles
> outside
> > my district boundary, spent less than $10,000
> (almost
> > none of it my own) and still managed to pull in
> almost
> > 26% of the vote.  83,000+ people chose an unknown
> > alternative because they were so fed up with their
> > representative.  When I decided to throw my hat
> into
> > the ring, I had four main thoughts.
> >
> >    1. I believe every race should be contested. 
> Even
> > if you run against your own party in a primary, it
> is
> > a way of ensuring accountability.  People often
> told
> > me, "I like his positions on issues."  My response
> > was, "How do you know?  He has had no reason to go
> on
> > the record for ANYTHING."  He certainly has votes
> that
> > show his tendencies, but he can explain the same
> vote
> > in 20 different ways, depending on who he is
> talking
> > to.  A campaign is a way to get them on the record
> so
> > that future battles will have clear starting
> points.
> > I know he is in favor of executing children,
> against
> > clean water and in favor of establishing a
> theocracy.
> > But I want him to say so publicly.  The same thing
> is
> > gained by running against your party in a primary
> if
> > they will be unopposed in the general.  Make them
> go
> > on the record in favor of the things you are in
> favor
> > of.
> >
> >    2. Marketing to future voters is key to long
> term
> > progress.  How much would it cost to market your
> party
> > to every voter?  $0 if you are on the ballot. 
> Imagine
> > an 18 year old walking in the booth for their very
> > first vote.  Maybe they haven't paid that much
> > attention but they think they are going to vote
> for a
> > Democrat.  And the line is blank.  They will start
> to
> > question the viability and validity of that party.
>  If
> > you allow one party rule, it makes it that much
> harder
> > to gain any ground.  In my town there was the
> > President, a Senate race, Me and then... a slew of
> > races with only one party represented.  I am proud
> to
> > say I was representing my values.
> >
> >    3. What if the incumbent dies?  Gets arrested
> the
> > week before the election?  The national
> Republicans
> > get found out as the cheaters they are with a
> major
> > scandal?  If nobody is on the ballot, it doesn't
> > matter how long the coat tails are, it is just a
> > wasted opportunity.  Possible sources of votes are
> > compulsive ticket splitters, first time voters,
> > anti-incumbents, underdog rooters, ... not just
> the
> > true believers.
> >
> >    4. Respect for the office.  What an unopposed
> > candidate signifies is that nobody thinks the
> office
> > is important.  My guy said something like this in
> > 1998:  "I represent my district very well. 
> Everybody
> > agrees with me, that is why nobody ran against
> me."
> > NOBODY should get it without at least token
> > opposition.
> >
> > You get to meet new people and hear their ideas
> for
> > improving society, appear in almanacs for
> posterity,
> > pad your resume, and spout off on any subject you
> care
> > to mention (I hit on opposition to the death
> penalty,
> > pointing out financial conflicts of interest in
> voting
> > records, racial profiling by police and the
> courts,
> > support for Industrial Hemp production, and a
> desire
> > for improvements in health care).
> >
> > If you are interested, start by checking with your
> > state elections board for qualifications and
> ballot
> > access requirements.  Attend your local party
> meetings
> > and get some moral support.  Make a website and
> stock
> > it with your favorite philosophies.  If you get on
> the
> > ballot, you have a guaranteed platform to shout
> out
> > your message.  It may not be covered closely, but
> > there are lots of places that will post it for
> free.
> > I had one hour on public radio with callers, and
> one
> > televised debate.  Maybe a small audience, but
> perhaps
> > I was able to touch one person who will go on to
> make
> > a difference.  I can dream.  It is not too soon to
> > start for 2006, take a chance and make a
> contribution
> > you can be proud of.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> 
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> > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Wed Mar 28 10:54:15 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:54:15 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Two opportunities this weekend to spread
 theGreen Party word!
In-Reply-To: <E1HWas3-0003Y6-00@truffula> 460A970B.9080009@charter.net
References: <E1HWas3-0003Y6-00@truffula> 460A970B.9080009@charter.net
Message-ID: <460AABC7.1000309@ispwest.com>

Wes Rolley wrote:

>Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>  
>
>>We're very low on literature for both events.
>>    
>>
>Can we get them in time from the Clearinghouse?   I know that they just furnished Jo Chamberlain with materials. 
>
>Further question: what is the status of the GPSCC budget relating to paying the Clearninghouse for them?
>  
>
We have a standing OK for $50/month. That should cover something like that.



-- 
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Latest change: Added wildflower and natural vista pictures from hike.



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 28 12:50:26 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:50:26 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Humanists (was Re:  Dems won't try ...)
References: <749524.99276.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>	<45F6FEDD.3090505@earthlink.net>
	<6887F4AD-EE45-4EA6-BA25-5311D06E16AE@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <460AC702.10107@earthlink.net>



Duende wrote:

> I'm uncomfortable with the label of liberal 


"Liberal" became a 4 letter word for me after Gore attacked
Nader in late October, 2000.  Now I have mixed feelings.

> or even progressive anymore. 


I'm still ok with "progressive", but I think I see your point.

> I'm more prone to use the label "humanist". 


I have been a member of the local humanist organization
     http://humanists.org/
and the national organization
     http://www.americanhumanist.org/index.html
for years.  At least 3 other GPSCC members have participated.

> Let me define  
> humanist as someone concerned with the survival of the human race  
> (self) and realizes that this survival requires cooperation as  
> opposed to competition. A humanist recognizes or at least  
> acknowledges the interdependence of all living thing and sees his  
> survival as linked with the survival of others. 


The dictionary says:
     http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humanist
The local humanist group says:
     http://humanists.org/hum_def.htm
The American Humanist Association says:
     http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/faqs.php
     http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php

None of these talk specifically about the survival of the human
race.  (I assume they prefer a more positive approach).  But I
think most humanists are quite concerned with the current state
and do recognize the interdependence.

> Also, the word  
> "humanist" make it pretty hard for the right to attack 


I don't know about that.  The right has vociferously attacked
"secular humanists".  And the American Humanist Association
fights for separation of church and state and does other
things as well that the right would not like.

> and lets the  
> observer know our deepest agenda.  Maybe one day we can have a 2  
> party system. Humanists and Corporatists as opposed to the one party  
> system we now have. I see the Greens as a perfect vehicle for  
> humanists though it doesn't seem to roll very well at times. Ideally  
> humanists will ride up in every "party".
> 
> That said, my take is that no true humanist in the Democratic party  
> would "give in" to pressure at this point or at any point before or  
> after 9-11. There's always been too much on the table. Those that do  
> cave in were never really humanist. They were just posing using the  
> guise of liberal. They may have been deceiving themselves but it's a  
> deception non the less. However it's a deception that most on this  
> list were aware of.  I'm glad that there are a few humanists running  
> around capitol hill, but their voices are muted and their survival as  
> main stream politicians pretty much in jeopardy.
> 
> Why?
> 
> Because the population itself doesn't identify itself as humanist.  
> Far too many in or society think it's perfectly alright to impose our  
> will as a country on another country that is lesser in their minds  
> than were are. We think it's reasonablr for other peoples children to  
> work in sweat shops since their lives are already pathetic and  
> they're used to suffering. This is also done on the individual basis.  
> When we Greens think we're morally superior to a flag waver from the  
> mid west (or Central Valley) we become part of the problem. It  
> happens when we judge any human being, even Cheney and Bush, as being  
> less than human at some level. It happens to everyone. If you've  
> never fallen for this in your life please step forward and announce  
> your self to the crowd.(I'll want to see the holes in your hands  
> ( wrists for the historian)) If you've managed to stop doing this,  
> please share how you did so. If this is a conscious struggle in your  
> life then gOD bless.
> 
> Becoming the change that you want to see is a lot more than just  
> recycling and riding a bike.


For sure!

In fact, I believe in the assumptions held by those who talk
about "The Great Turning", namely that the human race is facing
an unprecedented situation, where things will get either much
worse or much better, there is nothing in between.  And to get
much better requires a lot of changes.
     http://www.joannamacy.net/html/great.html
     http://thegreatturning.net/


Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 28 12:58:24 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:58:24 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: The Honorable Joschka Fischer of Germany on
	April 4]
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 28 19:37:44 2007
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:37:44 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Iran Attack Bumper Stickers
Message-ID: <460B2678.5030606@earthlink.net>


How many would like an anti Iran attack bumper sticker?

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [hoi] -- Bumper Stickers
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:39:48 -0700
From: Julia Bernd <julia at peaceandjustice.org>

Organization: Peninsula Peace and Justice Center



Hi everyone,

We here at PPJC are in the process of designing and printing a big batch
of bumper stickers saying "Don't Bomb Iran" or "No Attack on Iran" (or
some of each), since there doesn't seem to be much out there yet in the
marketplace.  We'd be happy to share them with other groups at bulk
prices (under a dollar per, probably), but we'd like to get an idea of
how many we might be able to sell like that so we know how many we
should get printed.   (The more we do at once, the cheaper it will be.)
If you or your group is interested, please let me know by email how many
you think you'd be wanting.  (This isn't a firm commitment, but please
do say whether it's a maybe, a probably, or a definitely sort of a
thing.)

Thanks!

Julia Bernd
Peninsula Peace and Justice Center





From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Wed Mar 28 23:53:54 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:53:54 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Who is going to the Si Se Puede March Sat. Mar.
	31?
Message-ID: <d0f.5cd37a5.333cbc82@aol.com>

Hi All,

Who is going to the March this Saturday Commemorating Cesar Chavez?

Who is making signs?

Merriam

SATURDAY: Chavez Family Vision, Inc. presents:

14th Annual Commemorative "Si Se Puede" March
Saturday, March 31, 10:00 a.m. 
Mexican Heritage Plaza, 1700 Alum Rock Ave., at King Rd in East San Jose
March through historic East Side neighborhood where Cesar grew up and then 
return to Mexican Heritage Plaza to enjoy live entertainment.

we need some signs that say:

????????? ???????????? Si Se Puede!
???????????? ? Honoring Cesar Chavez Vision
?????????????????? The Green Party of Santa Clara County

???????????????????????????????? or

??????????????????????? Si Se Puede!
??????????? The Green Party Of Santa Clara County
?????? 







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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Thu Mar 29 10:29:10 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:29:10 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Iran Attack Bumper Stickers
In-Reply-To: <460B2678.5030606@earthlink.net>
References: <460B2678.5030606@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <460BF766.9060507@ispwest.com>

I'd suggest getting 25 or 50 for tabling. More would be too many.

Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>Gerry Gras wrote:

>How many would like an anti Iran attack bumper sticker?
>
>Gerry
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: [hoi] -- Bumper Stickers
>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:39:48 -0700
>From: Julia Bernd <julia at peaceandjustice.org>
>
>Organization: Peninsula Peace and Justice Center
>
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>We here at PPJC are in the process of designing and printing a big batch
>of bumper stickers saying "Don't Bomb Iran" or "No Attack on Iran" (or
>some of each), since there doesn't seem to be much out there yet in the
>marketplace.  We'd be happy to share them with other groups at bulk
>prices (under a dollar per, probably), but we'd like to get an idea of
>how many we might be able to sell like that so we know how many we
>should get printed.   (The more we do at once, the cheaper it will be.)
>If you or your group is interested, please let me know by email how many
>you think you'd be wanting.  (This isn't a firm commitment, but please
>do say whether it's a maybe, a probably, or a definitely sort of a
>thing.)
>
>Thanks!
>
>Julia Bernd
>Peninsula Peace and Justice Center
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>


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From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar 29 11:08:36 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:08:36 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Humanists (was Re:  Dems won't try ...)
In-Reply-To: <460AC702.10107@earthlink.net>
References: <749524.99276.qm@web52206.mail.yahoo.com>	<45F6FEDD.3090505@earthlink.net>
	<6887F4AD-EE45-4EA6-BA25-5311D06E16AE@duendevision.com>
	<460AC702.10107@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <B82113EF-F99D-46A9-96A5-2C18E8E04DF6@duendevision.com>


On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:

>
>
> Duende wrote:
>
>> I'm uncomfortable with the label of liberal
>
>
> "Liberal" became a 4 letter word for me after Gore attacked
> Nader in late October, 2000.  Now I have mixed feelings.
>
>> or even progressive anymore.
>
>
> I'm still ok with "progressive", but I think I see your point.
>
>> I'm more prone to use the label "humanist".
>
>
> I have been a member of the local humanist organization
>      http://humanists.org/
> and the national organization
>      http://www.americanhumanist.org/index.html
> for years.  At least 3 other GPSCC members have participated.

I met a guy who was a Humanist and recommended that site. I never  
checked it out since he was such a fundamentalist in his atheism that  
I was a bit turned off about what he was trying to tell me.
>
>> Let me define
>> humanist as someone concerned with the survival of the human race
>> (self) and realizes that this survival requires cooperation as
>> opposed to competition. A humanist recognizes or at least
>> acknowledges the interdependence of all living thing and sees his
>> survival as linked with the survival of others.
>
>
> The dictionary says:
>      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humanist
> The local humanist group says:
>      http://humanists.org/hum_def.htm
> The American Humanist Association says:
>      http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/faqs.php
>      http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php
>
> None of these talk specifically about the survival of the human
> race.  (I assume they prefer a more positive approach).  But I
> think most humanists are quite concerned with the current state
> and do recognize the interdependence.

I want to define humanist as recognizing that interdependence as part  
of the mission statement..not as an aside that some members recognize  
it.  Other wise we end up with species arrogance which has created a  
lot of suffering all the way around. The interdependance is a must  
since our humanity is reflected in this.

And the repetition of the word  "supernaturalism" through out their  
manifestos. it seems they're so afraid of fundamentalist religions  
that it appears they've closed the door on spirituality and the meta  
physical as well. This limits the human experience as well as  
possibilities.


>
>> Also, the word
>> "humanist" make it pretty hard for the right to attack
>
>
> I don't know about that.  The right has vociferously attacked
> "secular humanists".  And the American Humanist Association
> fights for separation of church and state and does other
> things as well that the right would not like.

Ahhhh. They're stuck in their own anti supernaturalism dogma. Our  
laws (state) are going to express our morality as a people. What they  
need to do is inject their own morality (dignity for human kind) into  
the laws rather than trying to take the "church's" out... mater of  
fact make the churches morality which is supposed to be based on a  
man who told us to love one another, make that morality the one  
expressed in our laws.

I'll need to request that they qujit using the name of Humanist until  
the can get over this personality clash :-)


>
>>
>>
>> Becoming the change that you want to see is a lot more than just
>> recycling and riding a bike.
>
>
> For sure!
>
> In fact, I believe in the assumptions held by those who talk
> about "The Great Turning", namely that the human race is facing
> an unprecedented situation, where things will get either much
> worse or much better, there is nothing in between.  And to get
> much better requires a lot of changes.
>      http://www.joannamacy.net/html/great.html
>      http://thegreatturning.net/

I'm definitely going to check out the sites on "The Great Turning".  
There's definitely something in the air (other than pollution) This  
is a time of great opportunity and I tend to feel that it's a time to  
make great choices and it's not if I should use Linux or Windows  
Vista. (OS X wins of course)

Peace

Duende

____________________________________
The basis of life is Freedom
The objective of life is Joy
The result of life is Growth
- Abraham, 1989






From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 11:36:58 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Greens are Progressive and Populist (was
	Re:Humanists; was Re:  Dems won't try ...)
In-Reply-To: <B82113EF-F99D-46A9-96A5-2C18E8E04DF6@duendevision.com>
Message-ID: <828475.67772.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

"Humanist" has an overly-specific meaning if we were looking for a term
to apply to Greens in general.  Humanists reject the transcendent (ie.
faith) and focus on human reason and human self-determination.  There
are a number of Humanists in the GPSCC and for myself I feel very
comfortable hanging with Humanists and I share many of their values. 
However being a person of faith that term wouldn't describe me unless I
said I'm a Christian-humanist and even that wouldn't quite do it for
me.  I'm definitely a humanitarian though! :-)  Among other things I'm
a Celtic-Christian-existialist Green Humanitarian. :-)

Progressive works for me.  Liberal does not because I'm not in
agreement with the tenents of Liberalism (or Conservativism for that
matter).  There's a vast difference IMO between Liberal and Progressive
and the two are by no means synonyms.  Liberals can be Progressives,
yes, but Progressive covers a much broader group of both Moderates
(like myself) and further left than Liberal types.

Greens are also Populist.  We are for The People! We have our roots in
earlier Progressive Populist movements in the US and around the world. 
Greens are a unique species that are not easily identified on the
reductionistic left-right spectrum.  The increasingly popular move in
Political Science to represent parties in a two dimensional space that
includes a Y axis to show Populist/Libertarian v Totalitarian
tendencies puts us closer to the Populist/Libertarian end.

We are fairly similar to the Libertarian Socialists (like the
Zapatistas) except we're explicitly dedicated to nonviolence whereas
they are not.  We are truly the children of the nonviolence movement of
MLK and Gandhi IMO.

Impeach for Peace!

Drew


--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Duende wrote:
> >
> >> I'm uncomfortable with the label of liberal
> >
> >
> > "Liberal" became a 4 letter word for me after Gore attacked
> > Nader in late October, 2000.  Now I have mixed feelings.
> >
> >> or even progressive anymore.
> >
> >
> > I'm still ok with "progressive", but I think I see your point.
> >
> >> I'm more prone to use the label "humanist".
> >
> >
> > I have been a member of the local humanist organization
> >      http://humanists.org/
> > and the national organization
> >      http://www.americanhumanist.org/index.html
> > for years.  At least 3 other GPSCC members have participated.
> 
> I met a guy who was a Humanist and recommended that site. I never  
> checked it out since he was such a fundamentalist in his atheism that
>  
> I was a bit turned off about what he was trying to tell me.
> >
> >> Let me define
> >> humanist as someone concerned with the survival of the human race
> >> (self) and realizes that this survival requires cooperation as
> >> opposed to competition. A humanist recognizes or at least
> >> acknowledges the interdependence of all living thing and sees his
> >> survival as linked with the survival of others.
> >
> >
> > The dictionary says:
> >      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humanist
> > The local humanist group says:
> >      http://humanists.org/hum_def.htm
> > The American Humanist Association says:
> >      http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/faqs.php
> >      http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php
> >
> > None of these talk specifically about the survival of the human
> > race.  (I assume they prefer a more positive approach).  But I
> > think most humanists are quite concerned with the current state
> > and do recognize the interdependence.
> 
> I want to define humanist as recognizing that interdependence as part
>  
> of the mission statement..not as an aside that some members recognize
>  
> it.  Other wise we end up with species arrogance which has created a 
> 
> lot of suffering all the way around. The interdependance is a must  
> since our humanity is reflected in this.
> 
> And the repetition of the word  "supernaturalism" through out their  
> manifestos. it seems they're so afraid of fundamentalist religions  
> that it appears they've closed the door on spirituality and the meta 
> 
> physical as well. This limits the human experience as well as  
> possibilities.
> 
> 
> >
> >> Also, the word
> >> "humanist" make it pretty hard for the right to attack
> >
> >
> > I don't know about that.  The right has vociferously attacked
> > "secular humanists".  And the American Humanist Association
> > fights for separation of church and state and does other
> > things as well that the right would not like.
> 
> Ahhhh. They're stuck in their own anti supernaturalism dogma. Our  
> laws (state) are going to express our morality as a people. What they
>  
> need to do is inject their own morality (dignity for human kind) into
>  
> the laws rather than trying to take the "church's" out... mater of  
> fact make the churches morality which is supposed to be based on a  
> man who told us to love one another, make that morality the one  
> expressed in our laws.
> 
> I'll need to request that they qujit using the name of Humanist until
>  
> the can get over this personality clash :-)
> 
> 
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Becoming the change that you want to see is a lot more than just
> >> recycling and riding a bike.
> >
> >
> > For sure!
> >
> > In fact, I believe in the assumptions held by those who talk
> > about "The Great Turning", namely that the human race is facing
> > an unprecedented situation, where things will get either much
> > worse or much better, there is nothing in between.  And to get
> > much better requires a lot of changes.
> >      http://www.joannamacy.net/html/great.html
> >      http://thegreatturning.net/
> 
> I'm definitely going to check out the sites on "The Great Turning".  
> There's definitely something in the air (other than pollution) This  
> is a time of great opportunity and I tend to feel that it's a time to
>  
> make great choices and it's not if I should use Linux or Windows  
> Vista. (OS X wins of course)
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> ____________________________________
> The basis of life is Freedom
> The objective of life is Joy
> The result of life is Growth
> - Abraham, 1989
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


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"To the brave belong all things"

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 11:41:16 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:41:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Who is going to the Si Se Puede March Sat.
	Mar. 31?
In-Reply-To: <d0f.5cd37a5.333cbc82@aol.com>
Message-ID: <299758.90887.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

?Puedo ir al marzo! No soy seguro si tengo tiempo para hacer muestras
sin embargo. 

?Vamanos Partido Verde!

Dreas.

--- MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Who is going to the March this Saturday Commemorating Cesar Chavez?
> 
> Who is making signs?
> 
> Merriam
> 
> SATURDAY: Chavez Family Vision, Inc. presents:
> 
> 14th Annual Commemorative "Si Se Puede" March
> Saturday, March 31, 10:00 a.m. 
> Mexican Heritage Plaza, 1700 Alum Rock Ave., at King Rd in East San
> Jose
> March through historic East Side neighborhood where Cesar grew up and
> then 
> return to Mexican Heritage Plaza to enjoy live entertainment.
> 
> we need some signs that say:
> 
>                        Si Se Puede!
>                Honoring Cesar Chavez Vision
>                    The Green Party of Santa Clara County
> 
>                                  or
> 
>                         Si Se Puede!
>             The Green Party Of Santa Clara County

___________________

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The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned by the nervous Romans around 400BC
"To the brave belong all things"

Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer

"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
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From WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com  Wed Mar 28 20:30:35 2007
From: WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com (WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:30:35 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: [SouthBayJVP] SJBVP-Film reminder March 29
Message-ID: <d11.6c1959b.333c8cdb@aol.com>

 
Please forward...Hope to see you there!

Dear Friends,
The  South Bay Jewish Voice for Peace, the Pilgrims of Ibillin of the 
Sunnyvale  Presbyterian Church, Multifaith Voices for Peace and Justice, and the 
Peace and  Justice Ministry of the San Jose Presbytery would like to invite you to 
their  film series:  Cries for Peace: Three Israeli documentaries that reach  
across the barriers separating Israelis and Palestinians. We would welcome 
your  attendance and your help in getting out the word.  The flyer with the  
complete series is attached.

This month's film is:

Thursday, March  29  7:00 PM

On the Objection Front  Follows the path of  several Israeli soldiers whose 
experiences enforcing an Occupation eventually  lead them to take public- and 
eloquent - stands for conscience and against  military service in occpied 
lands.   Commentator:  Avner Efendowicz, Israeli  ?refusenik?

SBJVP will have Palestinian, Fair Trade, Organic, Cold  Pressed, Extra Virgin 
olive oil for sale

The films are shown at  the Sunnyvale Presbyterian Church, 728 W. Fremont 
Ave., Sunnyvale 94087
Room  501.
For more information email:   southbay at jewishvoiceforpeace.org 
www.multifaithpeace.org 





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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 11:50:18 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] You're Invited to the Strategy Committee Kickoff
	"Retreat"
Message-ID: <773980.97377.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

When: This Saturday Mar 31 from 1P to 4P
Where: Meeting room at the Morgan Hill public Library 
What: The Strategy Committee is forming and this will be the kickoff
meeting for the committee.  We are planning how we will make our GPSCC
a *major party* contender in Santa Clara County including the campaigns
and candidates we are planning to run in 2007 and 2008.

I know that Merriam, Natasha, (Wendy?), Wes, Jim S., Jim D., Gerry, Tim
and I have all expressed strong desire to make it (some of us will go
to the "Si Se Puede" march first and then carpool to Morgan Hill. 
Everyone's invited so please speak up if you want to join in the
strategizing.

Organize, Energize, Coalize!

Drew

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"To the brave belong all things"

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"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
http://dailyJam.blogspot.com


 
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From egroups at duendevision.com  Thu Mar 29 12:03:35 2007
From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:03:35 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Greens are Progressive and Populist (was
	Re:Humanists; was Re:  Dems won't try ...)
In-Reply-To: <828475.67772.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <828475.67772.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FD7C0000-E486-48EE-B66D-6DE0CBAA4B60@duendevision.com>

I enjoyed your post Drew.

The one thing the Greens may need to impress on others more is that  
they are populists. When the uninformed (or informed by the PR of the  
empire)  see Green Party they'reir thinking. Yeah, save the tree but  
screw me. BAck to impressing the interdependence that being for a  
tree is surely being for all mankind and if you're for mankind you  
must consider the tree as well. That inter dependance, be it as a  
spiritual/metaphysical axiom or the natural laws (remember that  
party?) of a functioning biosphere seem to get lost so much of the time.

Paz

Duende

On Mar 29, 2007, at 11:36 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> "Humanist" has an overly-specific meaning if we were looking for a  
> term
> to apply to Greens in general.  Humanists reject the transcendent (ie.
> faith) and focus on human reason and human self-determination.  There
> are a number of Humanists in the GPSCC and for myself I feel very
> comfortable hanging with Humanists and I share many of their values.
> However being a person of faith that term wouldn't describe me  
> unless I
> said I'm a Christian-humanist and even that wouldn't quite do it for
> me.  I'm definitely a humanitarian though! :-)  Among other things I'm
> a Celtic-Christian-existialist Green Humanitarian. :-)
>
> Progressive works for me.  Liberal does not because I'm not in
> agreement with the tenents of Liberalism (or Conservativism for that
> matter).  There's a vast difference IMO between Liberal and  
> Progressive
> and the two are by no means synonyms.  Liberals can be Progressives,
> yes, but Progressive covers a much broader group of both Moderates
> (like myself) and further left than Liberal types.
>
> Greens are also Populist.  We are for The People! We have our roots in
> earlier Progressive Populist movements in the US and around the world.
> Greens are a unique species that are not easily identified on the
> reductionistic left-right spectrum.  The increasingly popular move in
> Political Science to represent parties in a two dimensional space that
> includes a Y axis to show Populist/Libertarian v Totalitarian
> tendencies puts us closer to the Populist/Libertarian end.
>
> We are fairly similar to the Libertarian Socialists (like the
> Zapatistas) except we're explicitly dedicated to nonviolence whereas
> they are not.  We are truly the children of the nonviolence  
> movement of
> MLK and Gandhi IMO.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
>
> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Duende wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm uncomfortable with the label of liberal
>>>
>>>
>>> "Liberal" became a 4 letter word for me after Gore attacked
>>> Nader in late October, 2000.  Now I have mixed feelings.
>>>
>>>> or even progressive anymore.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still ok with "progressive", but I think I see your point.
>>>
>>>> I'm more prone to use the label "humanist".
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been a member of the local humanist organization
>>>      http://humanists.org/
>>> and the national organization
>>>      http://www.americanhumanist.org/index.html
>>> for years.  At least 3 other GPSCC members have participated.
>>
>> I met a guy who was a Humanist and recommended that site. I never
>> checked it out since he was such a fundamentalist in his atheism that
>>
>> I was a bit turned off about what he was trying to tell me.
>>>
>>>> Let me define
>>>> humanist as someone concerned with the survival of the human race
>>>> (self) and realizes that this survival requires cooperation as
>>>> opposed to competition. A humanist recognizes or at least
>>>> acknowledges the interdependence of all living thing and sees his
>>>> survival as linked with the survival of others.
>>>
>>>
>>> The dictionary says:
>>>      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humanist
>>> The local humanist group says:
>>>      http://humanists.org/hum_def.htm
>>> The American Humanist Association says:
>>>      http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/faqs.php
>>>      http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php
>>>
>>> None of these talk specifically about the survival of the human
>>> race.  (I assume they prefer a more positive approach).  But I
>>> think most humanists are quite concerned with the current state
>>> and do recognize the interdependence.
>>
>> I want to define humanist as recognizing that interdependence as part
>>
>> of the mission statement..not as an aside that some members recognize
>>
>> it.  Other wise we end up with species arrogance which has created a
>>
>> lot of suffering all the way around. The interdependance is a must
>> since our humanity is reflected in this.
>>
>> And the repetition of the word  "supernaturalism" through out their
>> manifestos. it seems they're so afraid of fundamentalist religions
>> that it appears they've closed the door on spirituality and the meta
>>
>> physical as well. This limits the human experience as well as
>> possibilities.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Also, the word
>>>> "humanist" make it pretty hard for the right to attack
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about that.  The right has vociferously attacked
>>> "secular humanists".  And the American Humanist Association
>>> fights for separation of church and state and does other
>>> things as well that the right would not like.
>>
>> Ahhhh. They're stuck in their own anti supernaturalism dogma. Our
>> laws (state) are going to express our morality as a people. What they
>>
>> need to do is inject their own morality (dignity for human kind) into
>>
>> the laws rather than trying to take the "church's" out... mater of
>> fact make the churches morality which is supposed to be based on a
>> man who told us to love one another, make that morality the one
>> expressed in our laws.
>>
>> I'll need to request that they qujit using the name of Humanist until
>>
>> the can get over this personality clash :-)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Becoming the change that you want to see is a lot more than just
>>>> recycling and riding a bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> For sure!
>>>
>>> In fact, I believe in the assumptions held by those who talk
>>> about "The Great Turning", namely that the human race is facing
>>> an unprecedented situation, where things will get either much
>>> worse or much better, there is nothing in between.  And to get
>>> much better requires a lot of changes.
>>>      http://www.joannamacy.net/html/great.html
>>>      http://thegreatturning.net/
>>
>> I'm definitely going to check out the sites on "The Great Turning".
>> There's definitely something in the air (other than pollution) This
>> is a time of great opportunity and I tend to feel that it's a time to
>>
>> make great choices and it's not if I should use Linux or Windows
>> Vista. (OS X wins of course)
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> Duende
>>
>> ____________________________________
>> The basis of life is Freedom
>> The objective of life is Joy
>> The result of life is Growth
>> - Abraham, 1989
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>
>
> ___________________
>
> JamBoi
> The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
> See http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=JamBoi
>
> The Celts invading the Italian Penninsula's reply when questioned  
> by the nervous Romans around 400BC
> "To the brave belong all things"
>
> Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
>
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
> Bored stiff? Loosen up...
> Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 12:07:49 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] You're Invited to the Strategy Committee
	Kickoff "Retreat"
In-Reply-To: <773980.97377.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <124149.7461.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I forgot to say that Cameron has also said he was planning to attend. 
Others???

Here's a reiteration of Wes' more complete directions to the Morgan
Hill Library:

I have booked the meeting room of the Morgan Hill Public Library 
<http://www.santaclaracountylib.org/morganhill/> from 1:00 to 4:00 on 
that day. (This is the last day that they are booking this room as they

prepare to move to a new building this summer.)

There is some ability to change the hours, if required.  The library is

open from 10 AM to 6 M.

The location is 17575 Peak Ave. 

Driving / bus directions are here:
http://www.santaclaracountylib.org/morganhill/MHdirections.html

Most common access is by car...the count of traffic lights on the 
library site is out of date, so...

 From the North

    Take U.S. 101 south from San Jose.
    Take the East Dunne Avenue exit in Morgan Hill.
    Turn right (west) onto Dunne.
    Cross Monterey Highway (4th traffic light).
    Turn right on Peak Avenue (first stop sign after Monterey Rd).
    Turn left on Main (first stop sign).
    Turn left again into the Library parking lot (corner of Peak &
Main).

Weekend bus schedule for VTA Route 68 (San Jose Diridon Station to 
Gilroy) is here:
http://www.vta.org/schedules/SC_68.html#effective_dates

Organize, Energize, Coalize!

Drew


--- JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> When: This Saturday Mar 31 from 1P to 4P
> Where: Meeting room at the Morgan Hill public Library 
> What: The Strategy Committee is forming and this will be the kickoff
> meeting for the committee.  We are planning how we will make our
> GPSCC
> a *major party* contender in Santa Clara County including the
> campaigns
> and candidates we are planning to run in 2007 and 2008.
> 
> I know that Merriam, Natasha, (Wendy?), Wes, Jim S., Jim D., Gerry,
> Tim
> and I have all expressed strong desire to make it (some of us will go
> to the "Si Se Puede" march first and then carpool to Morgan Hill. 
> Everyone's invited so please speak up if you want to join in the
> strategizing.
> 
> Organize, Energize, Coalize!
> 
> Drew


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From fredd at freeshell.org  Thu Mar 29 12:46:35 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:46:35 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Single Payer Health Care Event Planning Session
Message-ID: <460C179B.60106@freeshell.org>

Green Friends

On next Tuesday, April 3,  7:00 pm,   at our (Fred and Lois') house -  
there will be a planning meeting for a May 18 Single Payer Health Care 
promotion event scheduled to  be held in the Willow Park Clubhouse.  
Whoever is interested in participating in planning is urged to attend. 
{Cherry Pie /ala mode /will sweeten the agenda.}

Lynn Huidekoper of OneCare NOW.org,  Charles Browning of Mountain View,  
and I are hosting the planning session on April 3.

An RSVP , "Yes, I'll be there on (04/03/07),"  will be appreciated.

Fred Duperrault
Willow Park Condo Unit #45 (Bldg. 1, 2nd Floor , to your left, as you 
enter the parking area)
Intersection of W. Middlefield Rd. &  Moffett Blvd, M.V. (Enter from 
Moffett.)
650-691-1215
fredd at freeshell.org


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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Thu Mar 29 13:05:40 2007
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:05:40 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] You're Invited to the Strategy Committee
	Kickoff "Retreat"
In-Reply-To: <773980.97377.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1HX0sO-0006Zf-00@truffula>

This meeting also conflicts with the huge Arab-American Association
picnic this weekend.  They've specifically invited us and it
would really suck to blow it again.  I think I'd rather do
that than go to Morgan Hill.  Anybody else?

Cameron



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 13:05:38 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Single Payer Health Care Event Planning
	Session
In-Reply-To: <460C179B.60106@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <282020.26987.qm@web52207.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Excellent Fred.  The Healthcare committee continues to grow and do its
good work!  A new member is Brenda Pierce.  She's an RN.  Unfortunately
both Brenda and I have an NVC meeting next Tuesday night so that will
prevent us from participating despite being interested.

OneCareNOW.org

Drew

--- Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org> wrote:

> Green Friends
> 
> On next Tuesday, April 3,  7:00 pm,   at our (Fred and Lois') house -
>  
> there will be a planning meeting for a May 18 Single Payer Health
> Care 
> promotion event scheduled to  be held in the Willow Park Clubhouse.  
> Whoever is interested in participating in planning is urged to
> attend. 
> {Cherry Pie /ala mode /will sweeten the agenda.}
> 
> Lynn Huidekoper of OneCareNOW.org,  Charles Browning of Mountain
> View,  
> and I are hosting the planning session on April 3.
> 
> An RSVP , "Yes, I'll be there on (04/03/07),"  will be appreciated.
> 
> Fred Duperrault
> Willow Park Condo Unit #45 (Bldg. 1, 2nd Floor , to your left, as you
> 
> enter the parking area)
> Intersection of W. Middlefield Rd. &  Moffett Blvd, M.V. (Enter from 
> Moffett.)
> 650-691-1215
> fredd at freeshell.org

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 13:08:02 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:08:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] NVC: Dr. Marshall Rosenberg This Weekend in SF
	and Oakland
Message-ID: <824837.33377.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Fri, Mar 30, 2007 - Wed, Apr 4, 2007      
[view]	Workshops with International Peacemaker Marshall Rosenberg
San Francisco and Oakland

Fri, Mar 30, 2007 - Wed, Apr 4, 2007          
  	Workshops with International Peacemaker Marshall Rosenberg
San Francisco and Oakland

Workshops will take place at the

Womens Building, 3543 18th St, San Francisco between Mar 30 - Apr 1

and at the

Lake Merritt United Methodist Church, 1330 Lakeshore Ave, Oakland
between Apr 2 - Apr 4

>From the U.S. civil rights movement in the '60s, to Africa, Ireland,
and the Middle East, Marshall Rosenberg has spoken his message of hope
through a language of compassion.

Dr. Marshall Rosenberg is a psychologist who developed the principles
of nonviolent communication (NVC) a language and consciousness of
compassion that can dramatically improve relationships.

Thousands of people around the globe have found new avenues to peace
within their families and communities, in schools, prisons and urban
gangs, and between warring factions in some of the most violent places
on earth.

Workshop topics will include introductions to the practical skills of
nonviolent communication for the general public as well as for
therapists. Also included are workshops for intimate relationships and
understanding anger.

Dr. Rosenberg will demonstrate how these communication skills can be
used in real-life situations by interacting with the audience at each
workshop.

The workshops in San Francisco are expected to fill completely.
Pre-registration is suggested.

For complete information on all upcoming Marshall Rosenberg workshops
in San Francisco and Oakland, please visit the web.

This event is sponsored by Bay Area Nonviolent Communication, a
nonprofit educational organization. All events are offered by BayNVC on
an inclusive sliding-scale basis.

For a complete list of workshops, practice groups and retreat
intensives in the bay area and beyond sponsored by BayNVC, please go to

http://www.baynvc.org/baynvc_events.php
For more information contact:
Bay Area Nonviolent Communication
http://baynvc.org/marshall_rosenberg_visit.php

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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 13:10:29 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] You're Invited to the Strategy Committee
	Kickoff "Retreat"
In-Reply-To: <E1HX0sO-0006Zf-00@truffula>
Message-ID: <69054.7776.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Umm... that's a bummer.  I don't think it would be wise to try to move
our Strategy Committee meeting though.  Hopefully you and several other
Greens can represent.  Where/When is that meeting?

Organize, Energize and Coalize!

Drew

--- "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us> wrote:

> This meeting also conflicts with the huge Arab-American Association
> picnic this weekend.  They've specifically invited us and it
> would really suck to blow it again.  I think I'd rather do
> that than go to Morgan Hill.  Anybody else?
> 
> Cameron
> 
> 


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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 13:25:39 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:25:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peace & Sustainability Bike ride coming thru
	San Jose, we need hosts!
In-Reply-To: <45F7FCB9.1070003@charter.net>
Message-ID: <42855.3014.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Merriam, have you had further contact with the Emissaries of Hope bike
ride?  Do you want to pursue it?

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:
> > /Hi All,
> >
> > A friend sent me this information. Sounds like a great action for
> us 
> > to support. This could be our April event. What does everyone
> think?
> >
> > This is the link to their website./
> > http://www.emissariesofhope.org
> >
> > /Merriam/
> Merriam, and all...
> 
> There are two things which converge here, and which also do not 
> necessarily support each other directly.
> 
> The schedule for the Emissaries of Hope puts them in San Jose on
> April 
> 21, 22. with a planned discussion at that time. April 22 is Earth
> Day.
> 
> This project involves bicycle riding while Earth Day 2007 is a "Call
> to 
> Action on Climate Change". The focus of the Emissaries of Hope is on
> the 
> idea of a "Sustainable Community" but their actions are aimed more at
> 
> changing the way that people relate to each other.
> 
> If the GPSCC wants to become the local host for the Emissaries of
> Hope, 
> then there is an implied commitment to providing a venue for their 
> discussion... room and support for 20 people for 2 days. That is not
> a 
> trivial task and a decisions would have to be made quickly. However,
> if 
> all we are doing is to publicize the action for members to decide to 
> participate on their own, then maybe we have already done that.
> 
> On the other hand, there is no currently planned "event" from the
> GPSCC 
> for Earth Day.... though an organized bike ride might make sense.
> There 
> are several possible scenarios for this type of event. One would be a
> 
> riide through Coyote Valley that would call attention to the City of
> San 
> Jose Specific Plan to develop the valley. (50 K jobs and 80 k 
> residents). Another might focus on toxic cleanup surrounding Moffet 
> Field. Another might focus on the Santa Clara Valley Water District 
> plans to log redwoods in the Santa Cruz Mtns. above Los Gatos, though
> 
> that would be a much more strenuous ride.
> 
> Something to think about, anyway.
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
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From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 13:37:11 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:37:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Persian New Year Tabling Opportunity
Message-ID: <101917.62946.qm@web52208.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Note to all: Persians are *not* arab and generally do not like being
mistaken for arabs - guess it just goes to show that everyone wants to
be seen for who they are, not who they might look similar to.

Cameron is this the event you were refering to (not Arab-American) that
you thought you might like to table at?

Organize, Energize, Coalize!

Drew

Jim Doyle wrote:

The annual celebration of the Persian New Year is being held
in Vasona County Park in Los Gatos this coming Saturday and
Sunday, March 31 and April 1.

I received a call from Arzheng tonight, Tuesday, in which he told me
of the event.  He is working trying to get a table for South Bay 
Mobilisation. Tentatively, that could be a shared table.  Or, if
miracles happen, we might have our own table.  And finally, we could
just have an informal presence, walk around and try to register voters.

These are last minute arrangements and not yet guaranteed.  However, it
could benefit the Greens to be there in some capacity, to be seen.

Arzheng told me that the early birds start arriving at 9 am but the
formal portion of the scheduled events does not start until 11 am and
lasts until sunset.

That is what I know as of now.
Let me know if you are interested.

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From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Mar 29 13:38:38 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:38:38 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] You're Invited to the Strategy
 Committee	Kickoff "Retreat"
In-Reply-To: <69054.7776.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <69054.7776.qm@web52210.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <460C23CE.5020209@charter.net>

JamBoi wrote:
> Umm... that's a bummer.  I don't think it would be wise to try to move
> our Strategy Committee meeting though.  Hopefully you and several other
> Greens can represent.  Where/When is that meeting?
Jim Doyle posted this previously.

> The annual celebration of the Persian New Year is being held
> in Vasona County Park in Los Gatos this coming Saturday and
> Sunday, March 31 and April 1.
>
> I received a call from Arzheng tonight, Tuesday, in which he told me
> of the event. He is working trying to get a table for South Bay
> Mobilisation.
> Tentatively, that could be a shared table. Or, if miracles happen, we 
> might
> have our own table. And finally, we could just have an informal presence,
> walk around and try to register voters.
There will be a Green Presence there ... Bob Alavi and Kamran Alavi have 
both said that they would be there, Kamran all the way from San Joaquin 
County. All it is lacking is a definition of the logistics and a few 
more people.

I learned this from Kamran.

> It is called the 13th day (of the year) picnic, and is observed in 
> most of Iran and parts of Afghanistan. Recently I learned that even 
> Iraquis ovserve norooz, definitely non islamic with zoroastrian roots.
> Now it is not political at all and there is no formal anything. We can 
> go at the time we wish and come back when we wish. It is all social 
> and commercial. Many groups will have some presence and some are 
> promoting either their business or some agenda. It is still fun and 
> positively sentimental for me.
> It is still possible, I may see some of the original people who 
> started it. (in Silicon Valley).





-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From jamboi at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 13:52:30 2007
From: jamboi at yahoo.com (JamBoi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:52:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Persian New Year Tabling Opportunity
In-Reply-To: <460C23CE.5020209@charter.net>
Message-ID: <595520.59306.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ah, so Cameron you could comfortably make either choice (Persian New
Year or Stategy Committee retreat) in the comfort that either way all
things will be covered.

Organize, Energize, Coalize!

Drew

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> JamBoi wrote:
> > Umm... that's a bummer.  I don't think it would be wise to try to
> move
> > our Strategy Committee meeting though.  Hopefully you and several
> other
> > Greens can represent.  Where/When is that meeting?
> Jim Doyle posted this previously.
> 
> > The annual celebration of the Persian New Year is being held
> > in Vasona County Park in Los Gatos this coming Saturday and
> > Sunday, March 31 and April 1.
> >
> > I received a call from Arzheng tonight, Tuesday, in which he told
> me
> > of the event. He is working trying to get a table for South Bay
> > Mobilisation.
> > Tentatively, that could be a shared table. Or, if miracles happen,
> we 
> > might
> > have our own table. And finally, we could just have an informal
> presence,
> > walk around and try to register voters.
> There will be a Green Presence there ... Bob Alavi and Kamran Alavi
> have 
> both said that they would be there, Kamran all the way from San
> Joaquin 
> County. All it is lacking is a definition of the logistics and a few 
> more people.
> 
> I learned this from Kamran.
> 
> > It is called the 13th day (of the year) picnic, and is observed in 
> > most of Iran and parts of Afghanistan. Recently I learned that even
> 
> > Iraquis ovserve norooz, definitely non islamic with zoroastrian
> roots.
> > Now it is not political at all and there is no formal anything. We
> can 
> > go at the time we wish and come back when we wish. It is all social
> 
> > and commercial. Many groups will have some presence and some are 
> > promoting either their business or some agenda. It is still fun and
> 
> > positively sentimental for me.
> > It is still possible, I may see some of the original people who 
> > started it. (in Silicon Valley).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
> 


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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Mar 29 14:13:13 2007
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:13:13 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A much more fuel efficient car....
In-Reply-To: <46085A40.7020401@ispwest.com>
References: <46020273.1010303@earthlink.net><EEFD80F6-F8C6-40AD-86CA-495CDF68E8AB@cagreens.org>
	460831C5.6090406@earthlink.net <46085A40.7020401@ispwest.com>
Message-ID: <80D363DF-E4FF-4424-875E-B3022AA86EAA@cagreens.org>

It almost doesn't surprise me that an e-car was the first pedestrian  
killer because these little buggers have been fast from their inception!
Your beef (so to speak) however, is with cars in general, and I  
totally agree that vehicles are lethal.

Do we take them off the roads?  I don't know.  Maybe we should until  
we have a reliable robot-drive system that overrides crazy, drunk,  
incompetent drivers?  I could Grok that one, too!

In fact, we have something like that being worked on now, a TV show  
that I plan to do in the very near future.
Andrea

On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Tian Harter wrote:

> It seems cosmicly significant that Bliss was done in by #43.
> Almost as if Democracy has a funny way of sending messages....
>
>
> Gerry Gras wrote:
>
>> In 1899, the first automobile fatality in the U.S involved an
>>
>> electic cab.
>>     http://www.citystreets.org/plaque.html
>>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Bliss_% 
>> 28road_accident_victim%29
>>
>> (The text says the first pedestrian, the plaque
>> says first recorded motor vehicle fatality,
>> I believe both statements are true.)
>>
>> NOTE: I do NOT mean to imply that electric cars are more
>> dangerous.  I believe that this fact just implies that there
>> were more electric vehicles than other large vehicles at
>> that time.
>>
>> NOTE: the total number of car deaths in the U.S. is either
>> 2.1 or 3.1 million, while the total number of Americans
>> killed in war (from the Revolution to the Iraq War) is
>> around 1.1 million.
>>
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> What we call human nature is really human habit. - Jewel
>
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar 29 17:29:41 2007
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:29:41 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "strategy retreat"
Message-ID: <460C59F5.6040607@sbcglobal.net>

Here is the info on the strategic retreat.
I intend to be there.
I am willing to carpool.

Jim Doyle

From: Jim Stauffer <jims at greens.org>
To: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Strategy Retreat Mar. 31
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:13:06 -0800


Santa Clara Greens -

We've had recent discussions about holding a local "strategy retreat," as
we've done in previous years. The purpose of such an event is to put into
place some goals for the local Green Party over the coming year, and plans
on how to attain those goals.

This year we decided to hold it in the southern part of the county so the
activists we have down there have a better opportunity to attend.
Accordingly, Wes has reserved a community room in Morgan Hill for Saturday,
March 31.


------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 
15:09:18 -0700 From: Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> Subject: 
[Sosfbay-discuss] Strategy Committee Meeting. To: Green Discuss 
<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> Message-ID: 
<45F7210E.1020607 at charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; 
format=flowed Jim Stauffer posted earlier about a Strategy Meeting on 
March 31. I have booked the meeting room of the Morgan Hill Public 
Library <http://www.santaclaracountylib.org/morganhill/> from 1:00 to 
4:00 on that day. (This is the last day that they are booking this room 
as they prepare to move to a new building this summer.) There is some 
ability to change the hours, if required. The library is open from 10 AM 
to 6 M. The location is 17575 Peak Ave. Driving / bus directions are 
here: http://www.santaclaracountylib.org/morganhill/MHdirections.html 
Most common access is by car...the count of traffic lights on the 
library site is out of date, so... From the North Take U.S. 101 south 
from San Jose. Take the East Dunne Avenue exit in Morgan Hill. Turn 
right (west) onto Dunne. Cross Monterey Highway (4th traffic light). 
Turn right on Peak Avenue (first stop sign after Monterey Rd). Turn left 
on Main (first stop sign). Turn left again into the Library parking lot 
(corner of Peak & Main). Weekend bus schedule for VTA Route 68 (San Jose 
Diridon Station to Gilroy) is here: 
http://www.vta.org/schedules/SC_68.html#effective_dates Wes
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Thu Mar 29 17:52:00 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:52:00 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [G-C-F] Unnamed source: Gore mulls Green
	Party run in '08 (InsightMagazine)]
Message-ID: <460C5F30.5030902@ispwest.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[G-C-F] Unnamed source: Gore mulls Green Party run in '08 
(InsightMagazine)
Date: 	Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:36:28 -0700
From: 	Jo Chamberlain <joc at pobox.com>
To: 	<cal-forum at marla.cagreens.org>



Gore mulling third party run in '08

Insight Magazine, March 27-April 2, 2007, Posted
On: 3/26/2007
http://www.insightmag.com


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a possible new
threat to her presidential ambitions.

Former Vice President Al Gore has again been
entertaining offers to run for president. Gore
has been discussing a run for a third party
nomination with family and close aides.

"Al Gore has been energized by the attention he's
been receiving as America's leading
environmentalist," a political source close to
Gore said. "He believes this might present an
opportunity to become president or at least try
again."

Sources close to Gore said Ralph Nader has sought
to recruit the former vice president to run as
the candidate for the Green Party. They said Gore
has not rejected the offer and was consulting
with family and friends to determine the
feasibility of such a candidacy.

At this point, Gore stands behind Clinton and
Sen. Barack Obama in any race for the Democratic
presidential nomination. But the polls report
that many Democrats who support Clinton could
switch their support to Gore.

Still, Gore, largely estranged from former
President Bill Clinton since 2000, is said to
have concluded that he stands no chance of
beating Hillary for the Democratic presidential
nomination. But sources close to Gore said the
former vice president believes that he could
present himself as a genuine liberal in any
general election that would include Clinton.

For her part, Clinton has been monitoring Gore's
feelers regarding a presidential race. The
sources said Clinton has expressed concern that a
third party effort by Gore could hurt her chances
in the general election.

"Gore is invulnerable on several issues," a
political strategist familiar with Gore's
consultations said. "Unlike Obama, he can't be
attacked as inexperienced; he has much more
experience than Hillary. And, he was Bill's vice
president."

Nader, a harsh critic of then-President Bill
Clinton, was for a time the leader of the Green
Party. Nader has used the movement for previous
races for the presidency. Nader's campaign was
believed to have spoiled Gore's efforts for the
presidency in the 2000 election, particularly in
the state of Florida where George W. Bush won by
only 537 votes. In 1996 and 2000, Nader was the
presidential nominee of the Green Party.

Over the last month, Gore's profile has
skyrocketed in the wake of his Academy Award for
his documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," which
examines global warming. On March 21, Gore
testified to two congressional panels that global
climate change marked the greatest danger in U.S.
history and issued a 10-point plan that included
an immediate freeze on new emissions from cars
and power plants.

"This is not a normal time," Gore said in his
first appearance on Capitol Hill since 2001. "We
are facing a planetary emergency. I'm fully aware
that that phrase sounds shrill to many people's
ears. But it is accurate."

Although a handful of Republicans criticized and
questioned his research and the factual basis for
many of his claims, many Democrats on the Senate
Environment and Public Works

Committee viewed Gore's appearance as a
homecoming. The Democrats, with Sen. Hillary
Clinton sitting on the committee, said Gore was
leading a nationwide movement that sought drastic
changes in the environment.

"You have acted for us," said Senate Environment
and Public Works Committee Chair Sen. Barbara
Boxer, California Democrat. "You have acted more
than anyone else."

The sources said Gore, who also serves as an
adviser to Google, would quietly test the waters
in a series of polls in the spring of 2007. They
said his high profile will probably be maintained
over the next few months when he publicizes his
latest book, "The Assault on Reason" in May. The
book is said to be an indictment of American
politics.



-- 
/Jo Chamberlain.
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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Thu Mar 29 23:06:46 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:06:46 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Kucinich is coming to the bayarea
Message-ID: <bf2.13e1bb24.333e02f6@aol.com>

Hi All,

Kucinich is coming to Silicon Valley this Sat. Mar. 31.  Why is everything 
taking place this Satuday?  
:-)

For those who are going to the "Si Se Puede" March, the Persian newyear 
celebration or the Strategy meeting you might want to go to one of these Kucinich 
gatherings.

Merriam

10:30-11:45 Saratoga
13443 Ward way 95070
a house in Saratoga.? 
Donation $50-

Noon-1:30 Palo Alto
500 E Crescent Drive 94301
a house in Palo Alto
Donation $50-

1:30-3:00 Palo Alto
Unitarian church
505 E. Charleston94306
Donations requested






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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Thu Mar 29 23:19:57 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:19:57 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peace & Sustainability Bike ride coming thru San
	Jose, we need hosts!
Message-ID: <c4e.1288359b.333e060d@aol.com>

Hi Drew,

I never had any intitial contact with the Emissaries of Hope bike ride.  I 
simply forwarded the information about them a friend sent to me.  At the CC 
meeting last Sunday Gerry said he would check out their website and look into the 
possibility of sponsoring an event with them.  At the meeting we decided to 
have a table at the Earth Day event at Mitchell Park in Palo Alto.  If the 
Emissaries of Hope bike ride is in San Jose on April 21 & 22 I don't see how we can 
sponsor an event with them.

I did send their info to Paul in East Palo Alto (he and I do the IMPEACH 
banner on 101 every Thursday morning) and he may be interested to presenting an 
event with them.

Merriam



Subj:   Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peace & Sustainability Bike ride coming thru 
San Jose, we need hosts!?  
Date:   3/29/2007 12:26:05 PM Pacific Standard Time 
From:   jamboi at yahoo.com    
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org    
Sent from the Internet (Details)    
    


Merriam, have you had further contact with the Emissaries of Hope bike
ride?? Do you want to pursue it?

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> wrote:

> MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote:
> > /Hi All,
> >
> > A friend sent me this information. Sounds like a great action for
> us 
> > to support. This could be our April event. What does everyone
> think?
> >
> > This is the link to their website./
> > http://www.emissariesofhope.org
> >
> > /Merriam/
> Merriam, and all...
> 
> There are two things which converge here, and which also do not 
> necessarily support each other directly.
> 
> The schedule for the Emissaries of Hope puts them in San Jose on
> April 
> 21, 22. with a planned discussion at that time. April 22 is Earth
> Day.
> 
> This project involves bicycle riding while Earth Day 2007 is a "Call
> to 
> Action on Climate Change". The focus of the Emissaries of Hope is on
> the 
> idea of a "Sustainable Community" but their actions are aimed more at
> 
> changing the way that people relate to each other.
> 
> If the GPSCC wants to become the local host for the Emissaries of
> Hope, 
> then there is an implied commitment to providing a venue for their 
> discussion... room and support for 20 people for 2 days. That is not
> a 
> trivial task and a decisions would have to be made quickly. However,
> if 
> all we are doing is to publicize the action for members to decide to 
> participate on their own, then maybe we have already done that.
> 
> On the other hand, there is no currently planned "event" from the
> GPSCC 
> for Earth Day.... though an organized bike ride might make sense.
> There 
> are several possible scenarios for this type of event. One would be a
> 
> riide through Coyote Valley that would call attention to the City of
> San 
> Jose Specific Plan to develop the valley. (50 K jobs and 80 k 
> residents). Another might focus on toxic cleanup surrounding Moffet 
> Field. Another might focus on the Santa Clara Valley Water District 
> plans to log redwoods in the Santa Cruz Mtns. above Los Gatos, though
> 
> that would be a much more strenuous ride.
> 
> Something to think about, anyway.
> 
> -- 
> 
> I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
> Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
> Being willing is not enough; 
> We must do. ???Leonardo DaVinci
> Wesley C. Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court
> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> (408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com
> 
> 
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From MKmusic03 at aol.com  Thu Mar 29 23:42:54 2007
From: MKmusic03 at aol.com (MKmusic03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:42:54 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "strategy retreat"
Message-ID: <d36.5a5be0f.333e0b6e@aol.com>

I'm driving down to the strategy retreat after the "Si Se Puede" March.  I 
have room for 3 people. 

Merriam 

Subj:   [Sosfbay-discuss] "strategy retreat"?   
Date:   3/29/2007 4:30:00 PM Pacific Standard Time  
From:   j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net 
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org    
Sent from the Internet (Details)    
    


Here is the info on the strategic retreat.
I intend to be there.
I am willing to carpool.

Jim Doyle

From: Jim Stauffer <jims at greens.org>
To: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Strategy Retreat Mar. 31
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:13:06 -0800


Santa Clara Greens -

We've had recent discussions about holding a local "strategy retreat," as
we've done in previous years. The purpose of such an event is to put into
place some goals for the local Green Party over the coming year, and plans
on how to attain those goals.

This year we decided to hold it in the southern part of the county so the
activists we have down there have a better opportunity to attend.
Accordingly, Wes has reserved a community room in Morgan Hill for Saturday,
March 31.


------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 
15:09:18 -0700 From: Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net> Subject: 
[Sosfbay-discuss] Strategy Committee Meeting. To: Green Discuss 
<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> Message-ID: 
<45F7210E.1020607 at charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; 
format=flowed Jim Stauffer posted earlier about a Strategy Meeting on 
March 31. I have booked the meeting room of the Morgan Hill Public 
Library <http://www.santaclaracountylib.org/morganhill/> from 1:00 to 
4:00 on that day. (This is the last day that they are booking this room 
as they prepare to move to a new building this summer.) There is some 
ability to change the hours, if required. The library is open from 10 AM 
to 6 M. The location is 17575 Peak Ave. Driving / bus directions are 
here: http://www.santaclaracountylib.org/morganhill/MHdirections.html 
Most common access is by car...the count of traffic lights on the 
library site is out of date, so... From the North Take U.S. 101 south 
from San Jose. Take the East Dunne Avenue exit in Morgan Hill. Turn 
right (west) onto Dunne. Cross Monterey Highway (4th traffic light). 
Turn right on Peak Avenue (first stop sign after Monterey Rd). Turn left 
on Main (first stop sign). Turn left again into the Library parking lot 
(corner of Peak & Main). Weekend bus schedule for VTA Route 68 (San Jose 
Diridon Station to Gilroy) is here: 
http://www.vta.org/schedules/SC_68.html#effective_dates Wes
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From wechslertoo at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 29 23:48:30 2007
From: wechslertoo at earthlink.net (Curt Wechsler)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:48:30 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Kucinich is coming to the bayarea
Message-ID: <411-22007353064830843@earthlink.net>

Hey, I worked on his last presidential campaign, but take a reality check. 

1) Kucinich is using Impeachment for fundraising:
Impeachment: I'm asking you. Do you think it's time? ???????????????????????????????????
Dear Friends,
Today is the fourth anniversary of the war in Iraq. We know it was wrong to go into this war and it's wrong to stay in. 
For four years I have been working to end this war, including leading the effort to cut off continued funding for the war. There is enough money to bring our troops home and we should do that.
But the Bush administration, with the help of some in Congress, wants to pour more money into this war.
Worse than that, the Bush administration now is signaling its intention to wage war with Iran. We cannot allow that to happen.
So I'm asking you. Do you think it's time?
I'm talking about time for impeachment.
I ask because we are now have a condition in this country where we are told to take impeachment off the table, and keep on the table a U.S. military attack against Iran. 
This situation calls for us to reconsider very deeply the moment that we're in ? where our Constitution is being trashed, where international law is being violated, where our hopes and dreams for the education of our children, for the health of our people, for housing, for our veterans, are being set aside as we go deeper and deeper into war. 
We need a whole discussion in America. And with your help, we're about to have one.
Please go to my website, and watch the video posted today, "Impeachment: I'm asking you. Do you think it's time?" ... http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=182233&u=310
You may find the printed transcript of this video at ... http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=182233&u=311
Or you can see this video on my YouTube site, at ... http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=182233&u=312
Once you've watched or read this statement, please send me your comments. Over this past weekend there were thousands of demonstrations against this war being waged by the President with the consent of Congress. This must stop. 
Then talk to your friends, family, and neighbors. Get them together for a house party to discuss this war, and our options to stop it. Click here for information on a house party kit.
Please join with me on this day by signaling your continued support for ending this war. Your voice is important.
And so is your contribution. We need your help to carry our message forward. Our goal is to raise $50 million for this campaign, $50 at a time from one million concerned Americans: http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=182233&u=314;id=1
Be One of a Million. Please contribute today to show your support for ending this war. 
Thank you,

Dennis J Kucinich


2) And appealing to MoveOn... aren't these the people who supported the bill to fund $120b for delayed withdrawal, and refused to publicize alternative legislation? As the war enters its fifth year, Democratic leaders and their supporters in MoveOn are willing to keep American military personnel in Iraq another 18 months. That means another 18 months of Iraqi civilians, U.S. troops, and U.S. contractors, facing death and injury, so that Democrats can gain a political advantage in the 2008 election."? -- Green Party http://www.gp.org/press/pr_2007_03_22.shtml
Action Alert - Tell Moveon.Org You Want Dennis
This vote takes only about 30 seconds but YOU MUST VOTE BEFORE MIDNIGHT TONIGHT.
So please take a moment NOW to tell MoveOn.org to invite Dennis to its "Virtual Town Hall Meeting" being held on April 10.
Click Here to vote: http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=469939&u=617
Rather than let all the candidates be heard, MoveOn only plans to invite candidates who receive support from 10 percent or more of the people who respond to its poll. So it's important that everyone you know is urged to vote. Please support Dennis now, then forward this message to all your progressive lists. People do NOT have to be a "member" of MoveOn.org to vote (although they will have to provide an email address.)
This is a great opportunity for Dennis to reach out to primary voters across the nation, and for our campaign to get the word out to MoveOn.Org that Dennis Kucinich is THE Progressive candidate. 
Click Here to vote: http://kucinich.us/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?q=469939&u=617
Please help! Thank you! 
Kucinich for President 2008 
www.kucinich.us 

I urge you, not one more dime to the political party that is determined to block the will of the people.  Put your efforts into IMPEACHMENT!  FOR WAR CRIMES!  If it's not already too late.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: 3/29/2007 11:06:55 PM 
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Kucinich is coming to the bayarea


Hi All,

Kucinich is coming to Silicon Valley this Sat. Mar. 31.  Why is everything taking place this Satuday?  
:-)

For those who are going to the "Si Se Puede" March, the Persian newyear celebration or the Strategy meeting you might want to go to one of these Kucinich gatherings.

Merriam

10:30-11:45 Saratoga
13443 Ward way 95070
a house in Saratoga.  
Donation $50-

Noon-1:30 Palo Alto
500 E Crescent Drive 94301
a house in Palo Alto
Donation $50-

1:30-3:00 Palo Alto
Unitarian church
505 E. Charleston94306
Donations requested






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From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Mar 30 08:30:14 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:30:14 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] For Corporate Lovers only
Message-ID: <460D2D06.2040004@charter.net>

I picked up this story from my daughters blog "no land grab 
<http://www.nolandgrab.com/>".  It is a great story of eminent domain 
run amok and a young man getting the chance to study cooking overseas.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/13/30_13ratnerbmw.html


-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From alexcathy at aol.com  Fri Mar 30 11:21:58 2007
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:21:58 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Al Gore as Green Party Candidate?
Message-ID: <8C9410F6FF5E348-1BC8-1B19@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com>

  F.Y.I. 
 
 The article cut 'n pasted below was just posted on the Green Party Los Angeles e-list. 
 
 I am speechless! 
 
 Needless to say this would blow away the two-party system like nothing since Teddy Roosevelt ran as a Progressive Party candidate in 1912. 
 
 
 Alex Walker 
 
      
 -----Begin Original Message-----
  GORE MULLING 3RD PARTY RUN IN '08 
  Insight Magazine, March 27-April 2, 2007, PostedOn: 3/26/2007http://www.insightmag.com??Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a possible newthreat to her presidential ambitions.?Former Vice President Al Gore has again beenentertaining offers to run for president. Gorehas been discussing a run for a third partynomination with family and close aides.?"Al Gore has been energized by the attention he'sbeen receiving as America's leadingenvironmentalist," a political source close toGore said. "He believes this might present anopportunity to become president or at least tryagain."?Sources close to Gore said Ralph Nader has soughtto recruit the former vice president to run asthe candidate for the Green Party. They said Gorehas not rejected the offer and was consultingwith family and friends to determine thefeasibility of such a candidacy.?At this point, Gore stands behind Clinton andSen. Barack Obama in any race for the Democraticpresidential nomination. But the polls reportthat many Democrats who support Clinton couldswitch their support to Gore.?Still, Gore, largely estranged from formerPresident Bill Clinton since 2000, is said tohave concluded that he stands no chance ofbeating Hillary for the Democratic presidentialnomination. But sources close to Gore said theformer vice president believes that he couldpresent himself as a genuine liberal in anygeneral election that would include Clinton.?For her part, Clinton has been monitoring Gore'sfeelers regarding a presidential race. Thesources said Clinton has expressed concern that athird party effort by Gore could hurt her chancesin the general election.?"Gore is invulnerable on several issues," apolitical strategist familiar with Gore'sconsultations said. "Unlike Obama, he can't beattacked as inexperienced; he has much moreexperience than Hillary. And, he was Bill's vicepresident."?Nader, a harsh critic of then-President BillClinton, was for a time the leader of the GreenParty. Nader has used the movement for previousraces for the presidency. Nader's campaign wasbelieved to have spoiled Gore's efforts for thepresidency in the 2000 election, particularly inthe state of Florida where George W. Bush won byonly 537 votes. In 1996 and 2000, Nader was thepresidential nominee of the Green Party.?Over the last month, Gore's profile hasskyrocketed in the wake of his Academy Award forhis documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," whichexamines global warming. On March 21, Goretestified to two congressional panels that globalclimate change marked the greatest danger in U.S.history and issued a 10-point plan that includedan immediate freeze on new emissions from carsand power plants.?"This is not a normal time," Gore said in hisfirst appearance on Capitol Hill since 2001. "Weare facing a planetary emergency. I'm fully awarethat that phrase sounds shrill to many people'sears. But it is accurate."?Although a handful of Republicans criticized andquestioned his research and the factual basis formany of his claims, many Democrats on the SenateEnvironment and Public Works?Committee viewed Gore's appearance as ahomecoming. The Democrats, with Sen. HillaryClinton sitting on the committee, said Gore wasleading a nationwide movement that sought drasticchanges in the environment.?"You have acted for us," said Senate Environmentand Public Works Committee Chair Sen. BarbaraBoxer, California Democrat. "You have acted morethan anyone else."?The sources said Gore, who also serves as anadviser to Google, would quietly test the watersin a series of polls in the spring of 2007. Theysaid his high profile will probably be maintainedover the next few months when he publicizes hislatest book, "The Assault on Reason" in May. Thebook is said to be an indictment of Americanpolitics.?-----End Original Message-----






 
  
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From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Mar 30 11:43:14 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:43:14 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss]  Kucinich is coming to the bayarea
Message-ID: <460D5A42.1050004@freeshell.org>

Thanks for the alert, Merriam.  I'll probably attend the Kucinich 
meeting that starts at 1:30 pm.  I'll let them know that the Green Party 
passed an impeachment resolution more than a year ago.  I, or we, ought 
to have copies to pass out.

Fred

Hi All,

Kucinich is coming to Silicon Valley this Sat. Mar. 31.  Why is everything
taking place this Satuday?
:-)

For those who are going to the "Si Se Puede" March, the Persian newyear
celebration or the Strategy meeting you might want to go to one of these 
Kucinich
gatherings.

Merriam

10:30-11:45 Saratoga
13443 Ward way 95070
a house in Saratoga. 
Donation $50-

Noon-1:30 Palo Alto
500 E Crescent Drive 94301
a house in Palo Alto
Donation $50-

1:30-3:00 Palo Alto
Unitarian church
505 E. Charleston94306
Donations requested






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From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Fri Mar 30 11:49:44 2007
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:49:44 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Al Gore as Green Party Candidate?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4108.1175278923.24070.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <000601c772fc$2edf7530$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>

The obvious campaign line is:

     Elect Gore President - Again!

Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
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From tnharter at ispwest.com  Fri Mar 30 12:02:04 2007
From: tnharter at ispwest.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:02:04 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Al Gore as Green Party Candidate?
References: 000601c772fc$2edf7530$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06
Message-ID: <460D5EAC.8040907@ispwest.com>

Rob Means wrote:

>The obvious campaign line is:
>
>     Elect Gore President - Again!
>  
>
I think if Gore ran as a Green he wouldn't get elected, but
A WHOLE BUNCH of Americans would realize that all is
not well in the two party system. Would that change it?

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added wildflower and natural vista pictures from hike.



From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Mar 30 12:58:54 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:58:54 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Al Gore as Green Party Candidate?
References: 000601c772fc$2edf7530$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06
Message-ID: <460D6BFE.1010708@freeshell.org>

I doubt very much that Gore would run as a Green. However, he might 
possibly "keep it on the table" to develop leverage with which he could 
influence the Dem. candidates to commit to stronger stands on fixing 
global warming and maybe support for single payer health care and IRV - 
we hope.

The Democrats would immediately throw the "spoiler" issue at him and 
condemn him as a fellow traveler with Ralph Nader.

He might even use the threat to get promises for an appointment as 
Secretary of the Interior.

My crystal ball says that he could get 15% - 25% of the vote as a Green 
- enough to tip the scales.

Get your checkbooks out, maybe.

Fred

Rob Means wrote:

>The obvious campaign line is:
>
>     Elect Gore President - Again!
>  
>
I think if Gore ran as a Green he wouldn't get elected, but
A WHOLE BUNCH of Americans would realize that all is
not well in the two party system. Would that change it?

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added wildflower and natural vista pictures from hike.

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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Fri Mar 30 16:01:40 2007
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:01:40 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Al Gore as Green Party Candidate?
Message-ID: <cde.d0a0ce7.333ef0d4@aol.com>

OK.  Now I have to repeat myself from another list.  I sure wish  people 
could recognize satire and spoofing.  This is completely riciculous  if you just 
give it a moment's thought.  If you have seen or heard Gore  comment, then you 
know he is not a candidate.  He certainly would not be a  GP candidate.  Warner



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From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Mar 30 17:16:26 2007
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:16:26 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Al Gore as Green Party Candidate?
Message-ID: <460DA85A.4050000@freeshell.org>

Ho Ho Ho,  We can dream, can't we?

fd


OK.  Now I have to repeat myself from another list.  I sure wish  people
could recognize satire and spoofing.  This is completely riciculous  if 
you just
give it a moment's thought.  If you have seen or heard Gore  comment, 
then you
know he is not a candidate.  He certainly would not be a  GP candidate. 
  Warner



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From eameece at california.com  Fri Mar 30 20:18:32 2007
From: eameece at california.com (eric meece)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:18:32 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Al Gore as Green Party Candidate?
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Message-ID: <web-142142369@california.com>

Greens are progressives IMO, and liberals. As for Humanist,
I agree that this term implies a rejection of the
transcendent or supernatural that would not apply to many
Greens (including me of course). In fact, if anything,
Green leans spiritual, rejecting the materialist
reductionism that reduces life and consciousness to
mechanical terms. That leads to a mindset that treats the
earth and its living, conscious beings as things to be
manipulated and used as commodities. In this it also
differs from many kinds of Marxism. Many Greens understand
that an inner revolution is going on alongside the outwards
ones; that they are mutually-supporting, interdependent,
and arose out of the '60s movements. The longer versions of
the 10 Key Values states this explicitly.

Greens also support earlier movements as well that are
progressive, and support the separation of church and state
and other schemes to impose a religion on the people.
Humanism can in some versions be as fundamentalist as some
Christians and Moslems.

I agree with the 2-dimensional, circular or diamond-shaped
charts of political positions, and I think you'll find the
Greens end up as the most-typical liberals, in spite of us
being different from the old and conventional left. On the
libertarian party's chart, Greens will end up near the
extreme left or maybe slightly above. On the European
version which has the same elements, things are switched
around. The Libertarian Party naturally puts their
philosophy on the top of the chart, and the
anarchist/totalitarian-statist axis runs up and down. On
the European version, this axis would run from lower right
(libertarian) to upper left (statist). The typical European
"left" is Marxist or socialist and is placed at the left.
The opposite is laissez-faire capitalist at the extreme
right. Greens fall deep in, or in the middle of, the
lower-left quadrant of this chart, and are called
libertarian left; but are still 90 degrees from the
positions of the libertarian party at the lower right,
which that party puts at the top of their own chart. But
for Americans, the lower-left of the European chart equals
"liberal" par excellance in America. That's us! We're the
real thing.

Any Greens can verify this by taking the Libertarian
Party's test at Tapestry Festival, or see similar such
tests online.

Eric the Green/Eric Meece


From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Mar 30 20:26:43 2007
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:26:43 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tancredo for President?
Message-ID: <460DD4F3.2010803@charter.net>

While the discussion of Gore attracted some attention, I think that it 
is important to pay attention to the bid of Tom Tancredo for the 
Republican nomination. According to he Sac Bee, he will announce on Monday.

You might want to refer to him as Terrible Tommy in the parade tomorrow.

Wes

-- 

I have been impressed with the urgency of doing.
Knowing is not enough; we must apply.
Being willing is not enough; 
We must do. ?Leonardo DaVinci
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024 - http://cagreening.blogspot.com



From eameece at california.com  Fri Mar 30 20:27:50 2007
From: eameece at california.com (eric meece)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:27:50 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Al Gore as Green Party Candidate?
In-Reply-To: <web-142142369@california.com>
References: <460DA85A.4050000@freeshell.org>
 <web-142142369@california.com>
Message-ID: <web-142142791@california.com>

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:18:32 -0700
 "eric meece" <eameece at california.com> wrote:

> Greens also support earlier movements as well that are
> progressive, and support the separation of church and
> state
> and other schemes to impose a religion on the people...

Umm, I meant OPPOSE schemes to impose a religion on the
people...

Eric the Green


From alexcathy at aol.com  Sat Mar 31 19:48:17 2007
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:48:17 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Al Gore as Green Party Candidate?
In-Reply-To: <web-142142791@california.com>
References: <460DA85A.4050000@freeshell.org> <web-142142369@california.com>
	<web-142142791@california.com>
Message-ID: <8C9421F56159D58-6D4-5A41@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com>

     Dear Friends, 
 
 Funny how I post e-mails on all manner of "heavy" subjects and this little bullshit is the only kind of thing that generates some conversation (I guess I should be grateful my friends don't prattle about "March Madness" or Anna Nicole Smith). I did not mean to get into this. I still say it's too damn early for this talk about the presidential race and my senior California Green comrades say this story is somebody's idea of a bad joke, and outright hoax, or a ploy to manipulate the Dem campaign. 
 
 Nevertheless, let me say this. 
 
 This is The best thing that could come out of Al Gore as the Green Party candidate: 
 the destruction of that good-for-nothing Democratic Party.
 
 Doesn't anybody care that "Our Liberal Leaders" led by that great "San Francisco Liberal" Nancy Pelosi, just voted to spend about another $100 billion for Mr. Bush's splendid little war even while simultaneously giving him a blank check to attack Iran?
 
 I don't think I have said it this bluntly before, but now that my wife, Cathy, and I have moved from One-Party Democratic Santa Clara County into an almost all-Black middle-class neighborhood in One-Party Democratic Los Angeles, I am today more convinced than ever that if we are ever to get where we say we want to go then the Democratic Party Machines I am personally familiar with in Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, Oakland, Chicago, New York, St. Louis, Atlanta, Richmond, Washington, Norfolk, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Boston must be destroyed. 
 
 In 2000 the Democratic Party Machines in Miami and Palm Beach allowed Bush to steal the election from Gore. 
 
 In 2004 the Democratic Party Machine in Cleveland allowed Bush to steal the election from Kerry. 
 
 Ralph Nader and the Greens have NOTHING to apologize for. The Democratic Party must be destroyed. 
 
 
   Alex Walker 
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