[Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places

Gerry Gras gerrygras at earthlink.net
Fri Mar 2 12:04:34 PST 2007


Alex,

I am unclear what you are trying to do here.  Are you asking for
input from others on what they/we think of having someone from
outside the county on the list?

I don't have an easy answer.  Some thoughts:

- I think anyone should be able to subscribe.

- I am not sure how much participation should be ok from
   someone outside the county.

- I was on the Vermont Green Party list until they discontinued
   it due to excessive infighting.  I rarely participated, but
   when I did it was usually to provide some perspective available
   only to outsiders.  I think I always/usually mentioned that I
   was in California.  No one ever objected to my participation
   (at least I never heard of any objections).

- Mark sent 4 emails in a short period on a specific subject,
   but had never sent any emails before.  So I don't think his
   emails are excessive so far.

- I appreciate the emails from you (Alex) whether you are in
   or out of the county.

Gerry Gras
Member of the County Council


alexcathy at aol.com wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> A question has come up on the South San Francisco Bay Green list about 
> the participation of a Green activist from Ohio. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> -----Begin Original Message-----
> From: MLause at cinci.rr.com
> To: jamboi at yahoo.com; tnharter at ispwest.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Sent: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 4:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Lorna Salzman on Chris Hedges
> 
> Ah, well.
> 
> 
> 
> If you read the email address, you know I'm in Ohio, and have been on this
> 
> list for some time because I wanted to see how a healthy organization with
> 
> an engaged membership functions.  We don't have one.
> 
> 
> 
> . . . 
> 
> 
> 
> In keeping with your wishes, I'll unsub from this list and leave you
> 
> "leaders" the "autonomy" to manage information about how good your past
> 
> decisions have been and, particularly, how peachy keen those decisions have
> 
> made things here in the cornbelt.
> 
> 
> 
> Solidarity!
> 
> Mark L.
> 
> 
> 
> -----End Original Message-----
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This situation is precisely why I was originally so excited about the Green Commons Web Site.  
> 
> 
> 
> Since we are totally ignored by the mainstream media, it is almost impossible 
> 
> to know about Green activity around the country or even around the State.  I used to
> 
> live in Northern California, but my wife and I recently moved to Los Angeles.  I follow 
> 
> sosfbay-discuss because I am interested, I personally know many of the people, and I we get 
> 
> nothing from the Los Angeles MSM about what goes on among Bay Area Greens. 
> 
> 
> 
> Furthermore, if an individual Green is successful, then that person is seen as even 
> 
> more threatening to the status quo, and therefore, more likely to be blackballed by the
> 
> MSM.  Thus, for example, when Gayle McLaughlin was elected Mayor of Richmond, that 
> 
> should have been a big, statewide story.  Instead, the MSM buried it.  As I write this the 
> 
> City of Los Angeles is struggling (yet, again) to deal with new wave of gang violence.  Alas,
> 
> it is unthinkable that the good-for-nothing MSM would even mention that McLaughlin is dealing
> 
> with these very issues in Richmond or that Donna Warren has literally been on the front lines
> 
> in this particular battle right in inner-city LA for many years. The Los Angeles Times  
> 
> dutifuly reported the current troubles of San Fransisco Democratic Mayor Gavin Newsome, 
> 
> but of course, they never mention that the good people of San Francisco had a superior alternative
> 
> when they elected San Francisco's "Little Bill Clinton" back in 2003.  
> 
> 
> 
> As an African-American I have been dying to get input about what works and what doesn't work 
> 
> for Greens organizing in so-called minority communities.  
> 
> 
> 
> I have had a nice exchange of views with one sister in Los Angeles about Barack Obama.  I 
> 
> received an e-mail from KCM Curry touting her own candidacy, but otherwise I'm getting nothing. 
> 
> 
> 
> In 2004 a tremendous amount of time and effort went into certifying the Green Party Black Caucus.  
> 
> Members of the GPBC went to the national convention and gave a nice presentation.  There were the
> 
> familiar charges and counter-charges of racism. Almost every day somebody would post that 
> 
> Green Party was hopelessly "racist."  And almost every day I replied with a post that said: 
> 
> "Compared to what?"      
> 
> 
> 
> Despite all this, fights over Nader vs Cobb, a silly dispute with the Lavender Greens, and an even 
> 
> sillier objection to a Black Latina joining the group (BTW, I am proud to say that when the matter 
> 
> finally came to a vote, the group voted overwhelmingly to accept the Latina sister), 
> 
> the Green Party Black Caucus was duly certified and Michelle Tingling-Simmons elected chair.  
> 
> 
> 
> Guess what?
> 
> 
> 
> It almost immediately fell apart!
> 
> 
> 
> I have seen this sort of thing in other organizations before and it's one of the reasons why I am 
> 
> one of the very few "minority" activists nowadays who does not believe in "minority" caucuses.  
> 
> Despite the best intentions of the best people involved in these efforts, they almost always end up 
> 
> being both divisive and a waste of money, energy, and time.  This "caucuses" model is a throwback 
> 
> to the '40s, '50s, and '60s when old white men in smoke-filled rooms in the Democratic Party and 
> 
> in the AFL-CIO allowed... grudgingly... a few "minorites" to participate.  It is just my eccentric
> 
> personal opinion, but I think this is part of the Democratic-Repubican legacy that Greens would discard.
> 
> 
> 
> But I digress.  
> 
> 
> 
> My point in relating this story is that some mechanism needs to be in place to allow an exchange
> 
> of ideas, techniques, and experiences among far-flung Greens.  When the Green Party Black Caucus 
> 
> was active, I read posts by couple of well-informed members of the Illinois Green Party 
> 
> about a certain Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama.  I'd love to know what these brothers 
> 
> think today but I've lost those contacts. 
> 
> 
> 
> One of the posts to sosfbay-discuss asked the fellow from Ohio whatever happened to all the Green
> 
> activity right after the 2004 elections in Ohio?  Good question.  I would really like to know. Ohio 
> 
> happens to be one of the states where we could surely use some hard-hitting Black Greens.  I mean, 
> 
> the Black Republican Kenneth Blackwell was the one who masterminded the stolen election, and the 
> 
> clueless, weak Black Democrats around Cleveland were the ones who let the "Brotha" get away with
> 
> it.  And working-class Cleveland is the base for none other than Dennis Kucinich.  By now Cleveland
> 
> should be ripe for revolution!  
> 
> 
> 
> Comes now, from out of nowhere, Elaine Brown declaring her candidacy for president.  
> 
> 
> 
> I know she ran as Green Party candidate for mayor of a city in Georgia.  
> 
> 
> 
> I know her history in the Black Panther Party in California (and most of what I know is not good).  
> 
> 
> 
> Now she wants the Green Party to nominate her for President of the United States?  
> 
> 
> 
> For PRESIDENT? 
> 
> 
> 
> I guess it falls on me, the Black guy, to say out loud what some may be thinking privately. Are 
> 
> Greens in Ohio and Oregon and Montana and in the Central Valley of California going to go tabling 
> 
> at their local farmer's market and say: 
> 
> 
> 
> "Here's our Black Panther Green Party candidate FOR PRESIDENT!" ? 
> 
> 
> 
> Rhetoric aside, what do any of us really know about this candidate?
> 
> 
> 
> We need to know.  
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> 
> 
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