From JamBoi at Greens.org Sat Sep 1 02:32:07 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 02:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] 911 General Strike Gains Momentumc Message-ID: <3449.64.175.35.65.1188639127.squirrel@greens.org> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0708/S00383.htm 911 General Strike Gains Momentum by Michael Collins for ?Scoop? Independent News Wednesday, 29 August 2007, 1:21 pm; Washington, DC ?No Work, No School, No Shopping ? Hit the Streets? The 911 General Strike called by a coalition of antiwar, 911 Truth, and pro impeachment groups is gaining strength with gatherings scheduled across the country and rapidly expanding activity on the Internet, where the idea originated. We see this action as one against the injustices listed on the site but also one against our own fear, apathy, and cynicism. We want this to be an opportunity for citizens to reclaim a sense of power in defining their own destiny and running our own government. http://www.strike911.org/ Truth mover 27 August 2007 Strike activities are growing by the day. Formal events are listed below but there?s more. Every citizen is empowered by this essentially leaderless, egoless movement. This is one case where the people will actually lead if they choose. The impact of major public participation would shock those in power who ignore what they see as a passive public. We recommend that everyone become an organizer for this strike. Try to link up with people in your area, have meetings, network, discuss over the internet, and plan your own creative actions for the 11th. People can help out the strike by just continuing to organize, communicate, and spread the word. http://www.strike911.org/ Truth mover 27 August 2007 The 911 General Strike takes delivering the message to a whole new level. Apparently the message sent by the 2006 elections got lost in the spam folder. Citizen reminder messages, tens of millions of them, from the public in person, by mail, email, phone, etc., weren?t enough. The general strike gives citizens a chance to show those in power it?s time to listen through ?a day of personal reflection and nonviolent dissent in recognition of the course we have been on since 9/11.? The simple action plan includes ? no school, no work, no buying anything (at all), and hit the streets. Indictment of a Government on Holiday A White House run by the war lobby and an absentee Congress created the following issues which unite citizens in a demand for action: * Failure to end the Iraq war * Failure to conduct a no-holds-barred 911 investigation * Inaction on impeachment hearings * Elections that become less believable and meaningful with each cycle * Inaction on health care for those in need * The willful, deliberate dismantling of the Constitution The list goes on. Citizens are barely acknowledged, rarely heard. Help your local media cover this story by forwarding this article and link to them. The strike grew from grassroots activists in various anti administration group seeking coordinated action and unity. Right now, the following actions are scheduled to take place on September 11, 2007. The goal is to get as many citizens as possible to recognize this highly symbolic day by joining the 911 General Strike and make the clear statement, ?No more!? The www.strike911.org, Global Day of Action, and other sites will be continuously updating activities. Global Day of Action Washington, DC New York City Los Angeles, CA Oakland, CA San Francisco, CA San Louis Obispo, CA Santa Barbara, CA Santa Cruz, CA Bloomington, IN Boston, MA Minneapolis, MN Raleigh, NC Dover, NH Columbus, OH Seattle, WA Baraboo, WI ---------- Brussels, Belgium Vancouver, BC Rouen, France Dublin, Ireland Kristiansen, Norway The Washington, DC 9/11/2007 action includes a rally in Lafayette Park at noon, another rally at the White House, a march to the Capitol, and the delivery of a petition to Congress. New York City will have a number of events that bring general strikers and others together to insist on change now. Internet activity continues at the sites above, www.strike911.org, and other internet sites. Truth Movers at the strike911 site report that ?buzz on the internet? is extensive and broad based. The web page serves as a central location for information, networking, and strike materials. Groups have started up at FaceBook and MySpace to encourage students and others to participate. http://www.strike911.org/ ?How long do we have to wait?? The words below came from citizens interviewed for this article. How long do we have to wait? I don?t see a single thing being done that we asked for. What was the 2006 election about? Weren?t we clear enough? These views are reflected in public opinion polls showing Bush approval consistently at or below 30% with disapproval above 60%. Only 27% of the public thinks the country is headed in the right direction, while 68% see the country headed in the wrong direction. PollingReport.Com 8/26/07. The wrong direction figure has been above 60% every month since September 11.2005. The debate is over. The bipartisan war party lost. The General Strike of 9/11/2007 is the first of a series of events planned for September. It began in mid summer as a new, first time coalition effort by activists from different groups with a shared agenda, positive change. Reliance on the Internet and the unknowns between now and 9/11 make it difficult to say how widespread participation will be. But the pattern is set. Like the 1916 Easter Rising in Ireland, thispeaceful general strike will show what rank and file movement members and committed citizens can do when they demand action 911 is only two weeks away. On that day, the collective actions of this bottom up movement will provide citizens the chance to show their strength through both numbers and intensity. -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in America, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From WB4D23 at aol.com Sat Sep 1 21:47:44 2007 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:47:44 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Urgent: Re: Wall-Mart Site Fight Conference NEXT WEEK Sept 8-9th Message-ID: In a message dated 9/1/2007 1:34:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, civillib at comcast.net writes: Warner, Just received this info...and the good news is that all GREENS wanting to attend will have their registration fee of $150 paid by Cal HCN, the non-profit that is co-host and one of my clients. We were, thanks to Ken Smith and Joe Feller, one of the first organizations to support Cal-HCN. Anyway, here's the info. BTW, what is unstated here is that there is a MAJOR FIGHT in the East Bay as well as expected new ones in the South Bay with Wal-Mart. Discussions of that will take place. Here's a portion of the email from Cal HCN project director Phil Tucker. - the latter part is the announcement,but add GREENS get in free: cres NOTE:...Any Green that wants to attend this conference will be offered a scholarship and Cal HCN will take care of the $150.00 reg conference reg fee. Those interested should send their names, phone #s and email addresses to pgtucker at aol.com by Tuesday night, 9/3. Those wanting to stay at the Hotel must make their own reservations and we have a special "site fighters" conference rate of $89.00/night single occupancy. Our main conference dinner speaker is going to be Ken Jacobs, Chair, UC Berkeley Labor Center, a great anti-Wal-Mart advocate and supporter. Phil THIRD ANNUAL SITE FIGHTERS CONFERENCE Friday and Saturday September 7th and 8th San Jose, California, at the Wyndham Hotel (1350 North First Street, San Jose) The Site Fighters Conference has been a tremendously successful event in the past, with site fighters around the country coming together to share information, successful strategies and tactics, and best practices in their campaigns to fight unwanted corporate developments. Jeff Milchen, Co-founder of the American Independent Business Alliance, will be one of our Conference Workshop Presenters. Programs and workshops to include: *Holding the Line on Big Box expansion in market areas *Land Use Strategies *Subsidy Strategies for Social Justice *Developing Alternative Growth Strategies *What a National Comprehensive Wal-Mart Campaign Would Look Like *Distribution Center Campaigns *Maximizing Leverage for local worker demands Don't Delay Go to www.sitefighters.org for more information and registration details or call PHIL TUCKER, CAL HCN, 707-479-6000 HOTEL RESERVATIONS: WYNDHAM (408) 452-8320 Conference Sponsors: Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) Wal-Mart Alliance for Reform Now (WARN) California Healthy Communities Network (Cal HCN) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcathy at aol.com Sun Sep 2 09:52:40 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:52:40 -0400 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jeff Gibbs: Why I Am Not Going to the Protest Message-ID: <8C9BB98CF2ED207-320-46B4@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends, I do not necessarily agree with all the far-out stuff posted on Alex Cockburn's web site, www.counterpunch.com, and I do not necessarily agree with everything that Jeff Gibbs says in this essay. But I sho' nuff do understand how he feels when he says: "I am tired of protests." Already my e-mail inbox is filling up with a new round of announcements from International A.N.S.W.E.R. gushing about "all out' for a fresh round of protests this fall. Please! Posted on CounterPunch, August 31, 2007 Why I am Not Going to the Protest by Jeff Gibbs I am not going to the protest. I am tired of protests: they don't stop wars. Not protests that are mostly about sign waving and hooking up with friends and strangers and feeling the solidarity and then going back to work or school on Monday. They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Sure it FEELS rebellious, these government-permitted, media-ignored, totally predictable rituals-but come on, going to an anti-war protest hasn't been rebellious since Abbie Hoffman coughed up a fur ball at one in 1968. And in the context of the war on our civil liberties envisioned by Clinton/Reno and executed by your nemesis George W. Bush, they are very, very happy to have you protest and take your name and number. Or force you into a field, or a waiting pen to be locked away until they decide to let you out. Personally I am tired of marching alongside people wearing masks and carrying signs about stupid Bush when we and everyone we know put together have not been smart enough to stop him. And the Bush bashing only makes the whole parade, err, protest look juvenile to the rest of the world. Here is what I propose: let's stop messing around. No more anti-war. Let's stop the war. No more protest, unless it is part of some huge thing that doesn't involve business as usual the next day. How do you stop the war? Shut 'er down. No more business as usual. . . One of the reasons why I joined the Green Party was because going Green represented a public declaration of my refusal to participate in "business as usual," that is, lobbying, begging, and pleading with corporate Democrats to give us fifteen minutes of their precious time. I think part of the reason why the GP has not taken off as much as we migth have expected is that a lot of Greens still think of the GP as another "protest" group instead of a political party and a surprising number of Greens still have a sentimental soft spot for their friendly local neighborhood Democratic Party Hack. I see this a lot in inner-city neighborhoods when it's the friendly local neighborhood Democratic Party Hack of Color. I say: No More of Old Politics and the Old Business as Usual! In the cities; in the suburbs; in the little towns; in the rural counties; in the 'Blue' states; and in the 'Red' states. My rant has also been posted at: http://www.greencommons.org/node/776 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Mon Sep 3 05:42:41 2007 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 05:42:41 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jeff Gibbs: Why I Am Not Going to the Protest In-Reply-To: <8C9BB98CF2ED207-320-46B4@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9BB98CF2ED207-320-46B4@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I stayed away from protests for years, saying much the same thing as Jeff Gibbs--that they had no effect other than to give me the erroneous feeling that I was doing something, and I would be much better off staying home and actually doing something. But I was wrong and Gibbs was wrong. If you want to organize a shut-er-down action probably the best place to publicize it and recruit assistant publicists is a protest. Brian To: gplac-forum at cagreens.org; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:52:40 -0400 From: alexcathy at aol.com Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jeff Gibbs: Why I Am Not Going to the Protest Dear Friends, I do not necessarily agree with all the far-out stuff posted on Alex Cockburn's web site, www.counterpunch.com, and I do not necessarily agree with everything that Jeff Gibbs says in this essay. But I sho' nuff do understand how he feels when he says: "I am tired of protests." Already my e-mail inbox is filling up with a new round of announcements from International A.N.S.W.E.R. gushing about "all out' for a fresh round of protests this fall. Please! Posted on CounterPunch, August 31, 2007 Why I am Not Going to the Protest by Jeff Gibbs I am not going to the protest. I am tired of protests: they don't stop wars. Not protests that are mostly about sign waving and hooking up with friends and strangers and feeling the solidarity and then going back to work or school on Monday. They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Sure it FEELS rebellious, these government-permitted, media-ignored, totally predictable rituals-but come on, going to an anti-war protest hasn't been rebellious since Abbie Hoffman coughed up a fur ball at one in 1968. And in the context of the war on our civil liberties envisioned by Clinton/Reno and executed by your nemesis George W. Bush, they are very, very happy to have you protest and take your name and number. Or force you into a field, or a waiting pen to be locked away until they decide to let you out. Personally I am tired of marching alongside people wearing masks and carrying signs about stupid Bush when we and everyone we know put together have not been smart enough to stop him. And the Bush bashing only makes the whole parade, err, protest look juvenile to the rest of the world. Here is what I propose: let's stop messing around. No more anti-war. Let's stop the war. No more protest, unless it is part of some huge thing that doesn't involve business as usual the next day. How do you stop the war? Shut 'er down. No more business as usual. . . One of the reasons why I joined the Green Party was because going Green represented a public declaration of my refusal to participate in "business as usual," that is, lobbying, begging, and pleading with corporate Democrats to give us fifteen minutes of their precious time. I think part of the reason why the GP has not taken off as much as we migth have expected is that a lot of Greens still think of the GP as another "protest" group instead of a political party and a surprising number of Greens still have a sentimental soft spot for their friendly local neighborhood Democratic Party Hack. I see this a lot in inner-city neighborhoods when it's the friendly local neighborhood Democratic Party Hack of Color. I say: No More of Old Politics and the Old Business as Usual! In the cities; in the suburbs; in the little towns; in the rural counties; in the 'Blue' states; and in the 'Red' states. My rant has also been posted at: http://www.greencommons.org/node/776 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jims at greens.org Mon Sep 3 19:23:48 2007 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:23:48 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA Official Notice] REMINDER: Registration for the General Assembly is now Open] Message-ID: <46DCC1B4.5000907@greens.org> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] REMINDER: Registration for the General Assembly is now Open Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:51:18 -0700 From: County Contacts Reply-To: contacts2006 at cagreens.org To: County Contacts GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List. For more information, or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. Follow the contact directions stated in the email. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please circulate this message Registration for the Sept. 8-9 General Assembly will close at midnight on Wednesday, 9/5. Please register now if you plan to attend. County Councils - Please enter your delegate list online before midnight Wednesday. If you miss that deadline, bring the list, signed by a county councilor, to the accreditation table at the meeting. http://www.cagreens.org/plenary/ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] Registration for the General Assembly is now Open Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:53:21 -0700 From: County Contacts Reply-To: contacts2006 at cagreens.org To: County Contacts GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List. For more information, or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. Follow the contact directions stated in the email. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Online registration for the Sept. 8-9 General Assembly in Riverside is now open. Registration will close at midnight on Sept. 5. After that, pay at the door. http://www.cagreens.org/plenary/ We request that those planning to attend register online as soon as possible to assist the host committee with their final planning. County Councils - Please remember to submit your list of delegates online from the Delegate link on the main plenary page. We look forward to a productive and informative meeting in Riverside!!! _______________________________________________ Contacts2006 mailing list Contacts2006 at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/contacts2006 _______________________________________________ Contacts2006 mailing list Contacts2006 at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/contacts2006 From jims at greens.org Tue Sep 4 21:12:56 2007 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:12:56 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ride to the Plenary Message-ID: <46DE2CC8.6090008@greens.org> Linda Lemaster (linda4homes4all at sbcglobal.net) in Santa Cruz is looking for a ride to Riverside. If anyone can help her out... Linda is really nice and would be a great travel companion. Jim From andid at cagreens.org Wed Sep 5 19:33:48 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Is Our Tap Water Toxic? In-Reply-To: <46CDD418.7090803@aceweb.com> References: <46CDD418.7090803@aceweb.com> Message-ID: Tian, I would definitely be interested in doing a program on this subject so that seniors know their risks and what to do about it. For now, I am seriously handicapped post-surgery and will be unable to do much about it for about another month. Andrea On Aug 23, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Tian Harter wrote: >> Denise Johnson-Kula >> >> August 14 >> >> Is Our Tap Water Toxic? >> >> Denise Johnson-Kula, along with other individuals who experienced >> adverse reactions from chloramine, founded Citizens Concerned About >> Chloramine (CCAC) in June 2004, several months after the San >> Francisco >> Public UtilitiesCommission added a new disinfectant, chloramine, a >> combination of chlorine and ammonia, into the Hetch Hetchy water >> supply. >> >> CCAC (www.chloramine.org) is a non-profit organization whose mission >> is to raise the public's level of awareness about chloramine and its >> effects on health, the environment and plumbing, when used as a >> disinfectant in the water. >> >> Denise, CACC President and Spokesperson, will discuss the adverse >> effects of chloramine and summarize the work of CCAC, including its >> support for Ira Ruskin's chloramine bill, AB559, (co authored by >> Senator Migden) that will have the skin, respiratory, and digestive >> studies done that were never conducted. She will also discuss CACC's >> work with concerned community members in organizations in other >> regions of the country (and in other countries) that use chloramine >> to disinfect the water. >> > > Denise began by telling us of the frightening experience she had when > chloramine first went into the water supply. When she first > showered in > chloraminated water, she experienced such severe asthma-like symptoms > that they were life threatening. She saw her doctor and they went > through a lengthy process of eliminating any possible cause. Nothing > helped. The symptoms got worse. Over a month later, she and her doctor > learned of the change in disinfectants from chlorine to chloramine. In > order to tell if the new disinfectant was the culprit, Denise began to > travel out of town to shower where there was well water disinfected > with > chlorine and she found immediate relief from her symptoms. > > Denise also had rashes and digestive irritations from the > chloraminated > water which all disappeared when she used bottled spring water or well > water disinfected with chlorine. > > Denise's doctor diagnosed her case as chloramine mediated respiratory > toxicity. This is a chemical irritation of the skin and mucous > membranes > and is not an allergy. > > When her case was publicized in the newspapers, hundreds of people > contacted her reporting that they were also experiencing the same > skin, > respiratory and digestive irritations. Many of them decided to > avoid the > chloraminated tap water, substituting non chloraminated sources > such as > bottled spring water and they also found their symptoms completely > cleared up. > > Denise and some of the other people who had been affected by > chloramine > formed Citizens Concerned About chloramine (CCAC). Denise began to do > research into the health effects of chloramine and found that no > studies > on the skin, respiratory or digestive (including food exposure) > effects > of chloramine have ever been done. There was evidence that at higher > dosage levels, chloramine can cause skin irritations, digestive > inflammation and severe respiratory distress. Even fatal reactions > from > pulmonary edema had been reported. > > Denise has also found evidence that chloramine leaches lead out of > pipes, brass faucets and the solder connecting them when it comes into > contact with such. Other research has proven that chlorine is a far > better disinfectant than chloramine. Because of these factors, the > states of CT, DE, ID, MT, NV, NJ, RI, TN, UT, and WV have chosen > not to > switch to chloramine from chlorine for their public water supplies. > > CCAC is now working with our legislators to get the skin, respiratory, > and digestive studies on chloramine done. CCAC is also working with > our > Federal Legislators like Anna Eshoo to get an EPA waiver to return to > the use of the use of chlorine as our disinfectant until the health > studies on chloramine are completed. > > For more information on chloramine and CCAC, please see their website, > www.chloramine.org > > Denise is looking for opportunities to talk to groups about > chloramine, > so if you know of a group that would be interested, please call her at > (650) 328-0424. > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > I'm between 8 and 10 on Grasslands if you go to Burning Man next week. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From andid at cagreens.org Wed Sep 5 19:45:32 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:45:32 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jeff Gibbs: Why I Am Not Going to the Protest In-Reply-To: <8C9BB98CF2ED207-320-46B4@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9BB98CF2ED207-320-46B4@webmail-mf14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <93EA4685-C68A-418E-B9E8-9F3DE10B5870@cagreens.org> It's "old politics" and "business as usual" if it's two-party politics. Forget trying to find people to dump tea in the harbor. Just see if you can find people who will pledge to vote third party and not back down as we in the GP did in both of the last two elections. (The old boys and the wise guys are still snickering over that coup.) Andrea On Sep 2, 2007, at 9:52 AM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I do not necessarily agree with all the far-out stuff posted on > Alex Cockburn's web site, www.counterpunch.com, and I do not > necessarily agree with everything > that Jeff Gibbs says in this essay. But I sho' nuff do understand > how he feels when he says: "I am tired of protests." Already my e- > mail inbox is filling up with a new round of announcements from > International A.N.S.W.E.R. gushing about "all out' for a fresh > round of protests this fall. > > Please! > > > Posted on CounterPunch, August 31, 2007 > Why I am Not Going to the Protest > by Jeff Gibbs > I am not going to the protest. I am tired of protests: they don't > stop wars. Not protests that are mostly about sign waving and > hooking up with friends and strangers and feeling the solidarity > and then going back to work or school on Monday. They say the > definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again > expecting a different result. > > Sure it FEELS rebellious, these government-permitted, media- > ignored, totally predictable rituals-but come on, going to an anti- > war protest hasn't been rebellious since Abbie Hoffman coughed up a > fur ball at one in 1968. And in the context of the war on our civil > liberties envisioned by Clinton/Reno and executed by your nemesis > George W. Bush, they are very, very happy to have you protest and > take your name and number. Or force you into a field, or a waiting > pen to be locked away until they decide to let you out. > > Personally I am tired of marching alongside people wearing masks > and carrying signs about stupid Bush when we and everyone we know > put together have not been smart enough to stop him. And the Bush > bashing only makes the whole parade, err, protest look juvenile to > the rest of the world. > > Here is what I propose: let's stop messing around. No more anti- > war. Let's stop the war. No more protest, unless it is part of some > huge thing that doesn't involve business as usual the next day. How > do you stop the war? Shut 'er down. No more business as usual. . . > > One of the reasons why I joined the Green Party was because going > Green represented a public declaration of my refusal to participate > in "business as usual," that is, lobbying, begging, and pleading > with corporate Democrats to give us fifteen minutes of their > precious time. I think part of the reason why the GP has not taken > off as much as we migth have expected is that a lot of Greens still > think of the GP as another "protest" group instead of a political > party and a surprising number of Greens still have a sentimental > soft spot for their friendly local neighborhood Democratic Party > Hack. I see this a lot in inner-city neighborhoods when it's the > friendly local neighborhood Democratic Party Hack of Color. > > I say: No More of Old Politics and the Old Business as Usual! > > In the cities; in the suburbs; in the little towns; in the rural > counties; in the 'Blue' states; and in the 'Red' states. > > My rant has also been posted at: http://www.greencommons.org/node/776 > > > Email and AIM finally together. 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It does not matter if you are for Hillary Clinton, against her, or neutral; if you are a Democrat, Republican, or independent. ?This diary is not about Hillary. ?It's about Broder. ?His commentary, "Making of the Front Runner" about Sen. Clinton in today's Washington Post is s-o-o-o bad. According to "the dean" of Washington journalists, the key to Hillary is that she is: "... a complex, talented person who has lived -- and survived -- a really hard life..." A "really hard" life? Please! Read More at: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/6/115743/7365 ? ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Fri Sep 7 08:36:31 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (cls at truffula.sj.ca.us) Date: 7 Sep 2007 15:36:31 -0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Andrea status Message-ID: <20070907153631.9178.qmail@truffula.sj.ca.us> From: Andrea Dorey Subject: Re: hey Andrea Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:12:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Hello, Cameron! Sorry it took me so long to get back to you--had surprise company. I am pretty handicapped at this point--no driving, no walks for very far, very dependent on my friends as the house on the hill is unsuitable environment for me until I can walk alone. Andrea On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:30 PM, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us wrote: > > I'm here in the monthly GP meeting and everyone is asking > how you're doing. > > Cameron > From MARKETPOIN at aol.com Fri Sep 7 12:25:35 2007 From: MARKETPOIN at aol.com (MARKETPOIN at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:25:35 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Help Save the Tuolumne Message-ID: In a message dated 9/7/2007 12:21:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pdrekmeier at earthlink.net writes: > Dear Greens, > > > I recently took a position with the Tuolumne River Trust (TRT), and we?re > working to protect the Tuolumne from a massive water grab by the SFPUC. I hope > you can help out. > > > As part of the plan to upgrade the Hetch Hetchy system, the PUC has > introduced a proposal to divert an additional 25 million gallons of water per day > (that?s right ? per day) from the Tuolumne. That?s enough water to fill more > than 1,000 large swimming pools every day. > > > Please help save the Tuolumne by attending the upcoming hearing in Palo Alto > and speaking in support of water conservation and recycling instead of more > diversion. Here are the details: > > > Palo Alto PUC Hearing -- September 19 (Wednesday), 6:30pm ? Avenidas Senior > Center, 450 Bryant St., Palo Alto. > > > I have attached some talking points for your review. > > > Also, a TRT report is available at > http://www.tuolumne.org/content/article.php/sfreport > > > The Draft EIR is available at > http://www.sfgov.org/site/planning_index.asp?id=37672 > (Scroll down to ?Public Utility Commission (PUC) Projects: SF PUC Water > System Improvement Program DPEIR.?) > > If you can?t attend the hearing, please submit a letter (the deadline for > comments is October 1). > > Send letters to: > > > Paul Maltzer, Environmental Review Officer > San Francisco Planning Department > 1650 Mission Street, Suite 400 > San Francisco, CA 94103 > > > Send emails to: wsip.peir.comments at gmail.com > > > Thanks! I hope you will be willing to help save the T! > > > -Peter > > > P.S. 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Kaisha From rob.means at electric-bikes.com Mon Sep 10 09:32:32 2007 From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:32:32 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Mike Honda on Impeachment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c7f3c8$35077b40$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06> The following letter to the editor was printed in the 9/6/07 issue of The Milpitas Post under the caption "Calling Out Congressman". Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters 408-262-8975 rob.means at electric-bikes.com 1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913 Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Dear Congressman Honda, Your appearance at the Town Hall Meeting in Santa Clara revealed more by what you didn't say than what you did say. Before I could ask, you answered my question of why you are not co-sponsoring House Resolution 333 which charges Dick Cheney with three serious crimes. Your answer: "We have a limited opportunity to do good things for this country and a responsibility to govern, and bitter impeachment proceedings will only further divide an already deeply divided nation and grind all policy making to a halt." That sounds like an excuse rather than a fact-based answer. Let's start with that last assertion that impeachment proceedings will halt policy making. The Republicans accomplished a lot while Clinton was on trial. And by your own Power-Point presentation, your legislative agenda is already grinding to a halt as it is blocked by Republicans in the Senate and the White House. I agree that we have a limited opportunity. Just watch the movie "The 11th Hour" for a reality check on that one! But you are blowing the opportunity. Your Democratic Party could have stopped funding for the Iraq war and spying on Americans. If you don't stop the Republican administration, we are likely to see an attack on Iran before Bush leaves office. Finally, I agree that you have a responsibility to govern, that is, to make rules that benefit the people of this country. However, all your rules follow from our original set of rules called the Constitution. You (and my City Council members) have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies. The Bush administration has authorized the torture of thousands of captives, jailed Americans without due process or access to counsel, and wiretapped of the phone calls and e-mails of Americans without a warrant. Is it not clear that these crimes indicate enemies of the Constitution? Or do you simply take your oath lightly? Rob Means 1421 Yellowstone Avenue Milpitas, CA 95035-6913 408-262-0420 rob.means at electric-bikes.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Edward Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Mike Honda on Impeachment To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Message-ID: <397373.93666.qm at web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is a direct quotation from the material from his Town Hall meetings this past month regarding impeachment: "We have a limited opportunity to do good things for this country and a responsibility to govern, and bitter impeachment proceedings will only further divide an already deeply divided nation and grind all policymaking to a halt." You may express your thoughts to the congressperson in a few ways: 1. Email him through his website http://honda.house.gov/contactmike.shtml, 2. Call either his District Office (558-8085) or DC Office (202-225-2631), or 3. Visit his office in person (1999 South Bascom Ave, Suite 815, Campbell) --------------------------------- From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Sep 11 03:59:38 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Cynthia McKinney & Presidential Primary] Message-ID: <2509.75.17.59.11.1189508378.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [G-C-F] Cynthia McKinney & Presidential Primary From: "Jim Dorenkott" Date: Mon, September 10, 2007 20:06 To: "Greens California Forum" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Saturday the General Assembly voted to put Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, Elaine Brown, Kent Mesplay, Kat Swift, Jared Ball and Jesse Johnson on the Ca Primary Ballot. Today Cynthia McKinney issued a statement that she has withdrawn. Her complete statement is at www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com as well as a comment blog. This a great tragedy for the Green Party; she would bring many new people into the Party especially young people of color. I would not accept this as a "fait accompli" but rather a challenge. She questions our ability to mount such a campaign as a principal reason. I think it is our opportunity to argue otherwise. Please do so, and offer what you would do for her campaign in the most concrete terms you can use. Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 10:33:27 2007 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:33:27 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] minutes of 9/6/2007 Message-ID: <46E6D167.7070408@sbcglobal.net> Green Party of Santa Clara County MINUTES of September 6, 2007 Attending Gerry, Dana, Drew, Merriam, Cameron, Warner, Jim Doyle Facilitator and Notetaker Jim Doyle, Timekeeper Cameron, vibes Watcher Drew Treasurer?s report: $1,573 Register of Voters called and left a message re filing semi annual reports Jim Doyle made one preliminary call and will visit the ROV next week. BAREC proposals: 1) Consensus on contacting City of Santa Clara Greens by phone. Warner to coordinate and prepare a script 2) Consensus on donating $100 to the referendum campaign once the organisation has been officially and legally established. 3) Did not agree on formally keeping BAREC on the agenda. It can be separately requested each month. Request for possible interview with the Santa Clara Weekly: after discussion concluded that Jim Doyle would contact Valerie, Kaisha, and the Hugh sisters before contacting the reporter. Tabling: 9/15 Santa Teresa Community Fest Tim, Tian, and Cameron Peace Fair organisational meeting 9/15 Merriam to attend for Green Party Junior Statesman in November. More details later. From July 4-th tabling: lists of interested parties sent to Kaisha and Iliad From Labor Day tabling Cameron to send list to Jim Doyle The question most often posed was ?Who are the candidates?? Fundraising suggestion: Tamale booth at Tamale fair. To be investigated. A budget and a plan are needed. Implicitly assigned to Jim Doyle. Plus Merriam and possibly Drew to contact Tim, Ruben, and the Earth day sponsor at San Jose State. Plenary: consensus on authority of delegates to appoint an additional delegate if available. Consensus to support pilot project of a standing general assembly Authorized purchasing and reimbursement for one bundle of Green Focus and a few platform brochures. Add authority of delegates to appoint additional delegates at the plenary when necessary and available. Peace Center: Consensus on passing the hat monthly for a monthly $12 donation to the Peace Center. Consensus to sponsor the film ?Who killed the electric car? on 9/21. Facilitator needed. Drew will ask Rob Means or Andrea Dorey. Candidate Training. Time, date, and location not finalized. Locals: North Valley local meets 9/18 in the Peace ?Center 7 pm. Topic: Green Festival East Valley local to meet in home of Rob Means. Details to be posted to list. From alexcathy at aol.com Tue Sep 11 15:18:05 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Democrat 'Brotha' Barack Obama and Friends Message-ID: <8C9C2D8C2A174E5-140-2FC0@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> My colleague Wes Rolley's post, "Do not go gently " on the struggle going on in Brooklyn is a nice counterpoint to recent goings-on here on the Left Coast by my African-American 'Brotha' Barack Obama. Obama and Oprah -- As Far As You Can Get From South Central Los Angeles. Obama raised an estimated $3 million at a fund-raiser hosted by TV mogul, Oprah Winfrey last week. Tickets to the sold-out private event went for $2,300 apiece, keeping them within campaign finance limits. Stevie Wonder performed for guests, who included Sidney Poitier, Forest Whitaker, Chris Rock, Cindy Crawford, Jimmy Connors, Linda Evans, Dennis Haysbert and many others. Will Smith, Jamie Foxx and Halle Berry also were expected. Visitors were bused to Winfrey's secluded home from an equestrian center where guests arrived in limousines, BMWs, Bentleys and a few hybrid Priuses. ? A description by Varsha Rao was posted over the weekend on The Huffington Post. It is such a disgusting, nauseating celebration of capitalist wealth and celebrity it's enough to take your breath away. By the way, it is a measure of the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of my fellow African-Americans that I have not found a single criticism of this decadent display on the usual Black-oriented web site or blogs. Break out your handkerchiefs when you read the part where Oprah "with emotion" told the glitterati she feels "blessed to be living the dream that Martin Luther King, Jr. made possible." Dear Friends, this is about as far as you can get from South Central Los Angeles or Brooklyn or Southside Chicago as you can get Read more Alex Walker ? http://www.greencommons.org/node/781 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Wed Sep 12 05:39:37 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Re: Who did the tamales for Earth Day? Message-ID: <3361.75.17.59.11.1189600777.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [sjsuenvclub-discuss] Re: Who did the tamales for Earth Day?�� From: "Amie Frisch" Date: Tue, September 11, 2007 08:37 To: sjsuenvclub-discuss at yahoogroups.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Environmental Resource Center (ERC) is in charge of Earth Day, so they can look it up. You can email them at erc at email.sjsu.edu. -Amie On 9/11/07, Drew Johnson wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me which company created those wonderful tamales that were > served at this year's Earth Day event? They included some vegetarian > tamales and the Greens would like to connect with them for another event. > > Green is connection! > > Drew > > -- > JamBoi > http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 > "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to > social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in America, > but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in > Peaceableness." > > > -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henryduke2004 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 12 06:37:59 2007 From: henryduke2004 at yahoo.com (henry duke) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:37:59 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [gpus-del] Let's create a committee to bring back CM to CA ... In-Reply-To: <25996.3200.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070912133842.539374120ED@marla.cagreens.org> Since CM authorized the war powers act to grant Bush the authority to begin the US war against Afghanistan - why do people obsess about CM? Since CM authored the main federal 3 strikes law in congress in the 90's, why should we jump for her? Why do people refuse to help Elaine Brown - also a Black Womyn, but an actual Green who ran as a green for mayor of Brunswick Georgia? She's Black, has a lot more credentials with young independent African-American folks who CARE about and RESENT CM's support for the 3 strikes and her authorizing the Bush war in 2001. And if Elaine Brown is opposed by certain political/personal cliques, they should consider the only congressperson who voted not to authorize the Bush war in 2001: Barbara Lee, like Cynthia McKinney, a Black Womyn Democrat, Unlike CM, was the sole vote for war. Elaine Brown or Ralph Nader will majorly build our party and electrify and stimulate young people to join our party. Elaine Brown will also automatically help make our activist base more diverse. Cynthia Mckinney has a lot of money and support, shouldn't we be more focused on a true green who can help grow our party by not being tainted by 3 strikes and voting for the war? Lets do the more difficult thing, lets bring EB to CA! Peace, hank _____ From: gpus-del-bounces at lists.cagreens.org [mailto:gpus-del-bounces at lists.cagreens.org] On Behalf Of Kinamo Christin Moyowaisfza -Curry Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:09 AM To: Delegates from GPCA to GPUS; usgp-media at gp-us.org; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; gpca-mediawg at cagreens.org Subject: Re: [gpus-del] Let's create a committe to bring back CM to CA ... Let's create a committee to bring back CM to CA ... I read that folks have raised $1,000.00 I am also working to pull funds to fly her back to CA ..for the sole purpose of getting $5, 000.00 in her hands as a means to set her up in a good way to file with the FEC... I know that we here in the GPCA cab continue our lead by setting the pace for other states to pull in each another $5, 000.00 so that with in a week of our handing over to her $5, 000.00 to be filed she with have to go back and do in several more times! Jim will you be our CA Chair CM 5000? Drew will you set up a we site so that folks can start plegding funds? Maybe Sanda can also help us with pulling folks from across the state to send letters from actual county to CM... PEACE SKCM Curry gpus-del] [Fwd: Cynthia McKinney & Presidential Primary] Drew Johnson wrote: ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [G-C-F] Cynthia McKinney & Presidential Primary From: "Jim Dorenkott" Date: Mon, September 10, 2007 20:06 To: "Greens California Forum" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Saturday the General Assembly voted to put Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, Elaine Brown, Kent Mesplay, Kat Swift, Jared Ball and Jesse Johnson on the Ca Primary Ballot. Today Cynthia McKinney issued a statement that she has withdrawn. Her complete statement is at www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com as well as a comment blog. This a great tragedy for the Green Party; she would bring many new people into the Party especially young people of color. I would not accept this as a "fait accompli" but rather a challenge. She questions our ability to mount such a campaign as a principal reason. I think it is our opportunity to argue otherwise. Please do so, and offer what you would do for her campaign in the most concrete terms you can use. Jim Hi, Saturday the General Assembly voted to put Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, Elaine Brown, Kent Mesplay, Kat Swift, Jared Ball and Jesse Johnson on the Ca Primary Ballot. Today Cynthia McKinney issued a statement that she has withdrawn. Her complete statement is at www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com as well as a comment blog. This a great tragedy for the Green Party; she would bring many new people into the Party especially young people of color. I would not accept this as a "fait accompli" but rather a challenge. She questions our ability to mount such a campaign as a principal reason. I think it is our opportunity to argue otherwise. Please do so, and offer what you would do for her campaign in the most concrete terms you can use. Jim _____ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. _______________________________________________ gpus-del mailing list gpus-del at lists.cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpus-del http://cagreens.org/delegates/ Have You Hugged Your Delegate Today? _____ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcathy at aol.com Wed Sep 12 10:11:16 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:11:16 -0400 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Did MoveOn 'Go Too Far' On Petraeus? Message-ID: <8C9C377104B4F73-DB8-B9F7@Webmail-mg05.sysops.aol.com> Did MoveOn.org? "go too far" on Petraeus? Hell No! See my brief blog rants on the "Betray Us" controversy posted on: Daily Kos: Did MoveOn 'Go Too Far' On Petraeus? Green Commons: General David Petraeus My conclusion was that these hearings show... yet again... that we're wasting time beating around the bush. It's time for Congress to (1) Cut off money for the war! (2) Impeach the bastards! Alex Walker ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Sep 12 11:25:08 2007 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:25:08 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What I saw at Burning Man 2007 Message-ID: <46E82F04.6090706@aceweb.com> I took something like 900 pictures, and when I got done weeding them I still had about 350. You can see those by clicking around starting here: http://tian.greens.org/TransDimensionalZone/BurningMan/2007/index.html Considering that the playa is essentially a dusty lakebed with no drain that is wet for just a few months of the year, it's not the kind of place where plants grow. You could easily call it a "bush free zone" without exagerating the facts. I'm wondering if I'm the only one that finds that funny. There were several remarkable sights that I didn't have my camera for. One was the double rainbow. Another was the vandals burning the man during the eclipse. (That one I slept through.) I hope you like what I got. I'd love to read any comments you may have. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added Burning Man '07 pictures. From JamBoi at Greens.org Wed Sep 12 21:45:06 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tonight! North Valley Greens core meeting Thu 7pm @ Books, Inc. Message-ID: <2783.75.17.59.11.1189658706.squirrel@greens.org> North Valley folks (Sunnyvale and north) come join us for Green fun and plans for outreach, socials and issue and candidate campaigning. BRING: your Greeness and ideas. WHAT: core meeting of the North Valley Greens Thursday 7pm eve. @ Books, Inc. WHEN: Thursday, Sept, 13th WHERE: Books Inc. in Mountain View 301 Castro Street 650.428.1234 Green is Connection! Drew -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From andid at cagreens.org Thu Sep 13 10:14:49 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:14:49 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Andrea status updated... In-Reply-To: <20070907153631.9178.qmail@truffula.sj.ca.us> References: <20070907153631.9178.qmail@truffula.sj.ca.us> Message-ID: <18756A9D-3BF6-44D1-8AF9-E9395D12CADC@cagreens.org> Hi, All! Thanks for your interest in what's happening with the post- op stuff. This is my very first day out for an hour alone. I am at Panera Bakery in Cupertino getting free wifi while I wait for my friend (and driver) to get her teeth cleaned and I get my emails. I haven't been able to do many emails since the surgery on the 23rd. I'm still confined to the walker and a cane, but slowly getting to walk without either?unfortunately, not for long. Still have moderate pain from the swelling and the 17 staples used to hold the joint together. I'm still getting therapist workouts, but now being done at the homes of my caretaker-friends, and I will be under their combined care until I'm well enough to cope with the draconian conditions at the house on the hill: too many stairs, too steep a driveway, and very few amenities. I still cannot drive and won't find out how close I am to relearning that skill until I see the surgeon on Monday. I will know more then. My best to all, Andrea On Sep 7, 2007, at 8:36 AM, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us wrote: > > From: Andrea Dorey > Subject: Re: hey Andrea > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:12:14 -0700 > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) > > Hello, Cameron! > Sorry it took me so long to get back to you--had surprise company. > I am pretty handicapped at this point--no driving, no walks for very > far, very dependent on my friends as the house on the hill is > unsuitable environment for me until I can walk alone. > Andrea > > On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:30 PM, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us wrote: > >> >> I'm here in the monthly GP meeting and everyone is asking >> how you're doing. >> >> Cameron >> > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From kaisha_marie at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 07:55:44 2007 From: kaisha_marie at comcast.net (Kaisha Torres) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:55:44 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Minutes from EV Green Meeting 09/11/07 Message-ID: All those locals who missed this meeting can catch up and join the excitement next month! 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We meet the second Wednesday of every month at the > indicated on the minutes. > Thanks! > Kaisha On Tue, September 18, 2007 11:57, Jim Doyle wrote: > Kaisha, Thank you for the minutes of the meeting. > From which I can add or comment on: > > The name of the local sounds very good to me. > What a terrific meeting! It ended at 8:41 pm! > And it had plenty in it. > > Solar Panels: terrific project. > > Plastic bags: who is the person who has a friend on the city council > and who is the city council member of which city? > > GP social: who will be receiving the announcement? > > Festival meeting: I do not recall seeing a notice of this or if I > did, it did not ring a bell at the time. > > Barec issue, 49ers stadium attachments did not come through. > > 2) hosting a movie: good going evg > > 3) database: A number of people put their names and info on the > signup sheet at the Berryessa Arts and Wine Festival in May. > I recovered them from the tabling suitcase last Saturday. > The quickest way for me to get them to you is to provide > photocopies. > > Building a database: What should we use at the present time? > The cms content management system is still in the future. Cameron and I are wanting to set up a CiviCRM (that sits on top of Drupal CMS). Unfortunately finding time is an obstacle, but that is our desire. > Drew: what do you have in mind for a mailing list? Something > commercial? No just a cagreens.org e-mail list. > 9/28 social How widely will this be publicised? > Should any other groups be notified? E.g., ACLU, NAACP,MAPA. > > Once again, a powerhouse meeting in less than 3 hours. > > Jim Doyle ____ Minutes East Valley Greens Meeting, 9/11/07 Attendees: Iliad, Kaisha, Rob & Drew We recapped the information from last meeting with Rob to bring him up to date: Current Ideas and Goals for our Local: 1 Take school district project Iliad conducted at Leland and SJ Unified to install Solar on Schools 2 Green Products, Businesses, Technologies Festival 3 Banning plastic bags via SJ City Council (like Oakland & SF) 4 Drinking water purchasing eliminated from County/City 5 Issue campaign ? BAREC vote will occur in November 6 Stadium Issue 7 Evenings of Discourse/Green Party Socials Solar Panel Installation @ Schools ? Illiad discussed the Solar installation project @ SJ Unified. Chevron is supplying the panels, installation and upkeep. It hit the media and calls are flooding the school district due to his partnering with Chevron. School construction manager conference is a good place to put a presentation. Programs must be approved by the school district. School district is paying Fixed rate for the life of the contract (20 Years). Illiad will be supplying information that we may be able to pass on to our local school districts by the next meeting. Plastic Bag Issue ? Discussed with his friend on City Council about sponsoring a bill to eliminate bags and he seemed interested. Contact Ross Muriakamini (SP?) to contact this city council member to discuss the issue. Green Party Social ? Set for 09/28/07 from 6-8pm at Smoke Tiki Lounge at Post/San Pedro in downtown San Jose. ? Discussed providing a bit of literature with our issues, goals & a sign up list Festival Meeting ? Sending out the notice for the meeting next Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at the Peace Center at 7pm. Susan King is the SF contact for the Greens in the area of the greenfestivals.org and Drew can contact her about whether they are already involved in the festival in October 2007. BAREC Issue ? See attached brief 49ers Stadium Issue- See attached brief Drew updated our group with the following information from the last county meeting: 1 Warner Bloomberg is recovering from the Plenary and unable to attend tonight. He asked that BAREC be a issue that we move forward on. By virtue of being a party, we can utilize the registrar of voters and make contact with the members within the EV Local area (and especially SC Residents). We briefly discussed Kaisha?s brief which is attached to the minutes. 2 Movie night at San Jose Peace Center @ 7pm-It was requested that the EVG host the movie this time. 6pm would be the time for set up and Rob can address the group after the movie as he has expertise on electric transportation. Illiad told him that there is an update available on the air quality control board in regards to the movie & its claims (Who Killed the Electric Car). 3 We need to amass a database of people in our area. Cameron has all the lists from tabling. Kaisha will contact Cameron to obtain a list of people in our local area to invite them to the social. We need to develop a strategy for maintaining the database. Drew believes Cameron is working on an online database/content management system and civics database phoning system. Drew can arrange for a local area mailing list. 4 We discussed the modification of the chapter name. We are the East Valley Greens and the mailing list will be spelled out. 5 Rob discussed the world caf? discussion group concept. Refer to: http://www.theworldcafe.com/ He discussed the concept behind it and how it works. His interest in this was sparked due to the condition of his city council and the inability to penetrate the political structure into his town. Instead, the world caf? provides a forum where personal interests and biased are removed. Rob put together a proposal and a $3K budget and was going to go get foundation investment. Rob has since decided that he would try to obtain $30 a head instead. He has two tentative dates: 01/19/08 & 01/26/08. It will be held in the {UPDATE PER ROB: Indian Community Center, Saturday Morning Jan 19th, 2008.} It is a Grass roots democracy movement. Rob will invite the local politicians & usual suspects. He only has 75 seats available, currently because of the physical space of the center. Fred & Jim have volunteered to provide support. There will be 15 hosts & a facilitator. It should be warm & inviting discussion with active participation as a prerequisite. Discussed replicating the event based upon Rob?s success. Illiad suggested some sort of scholarship/funding for the event. Rob is doing this in connection with a neighborhood organization and he will include information for the Democracy Caf? in the newsletter. 6 Other topics: How our area is structured: Do we have neighborhood associations? Where can we meet as a political party? Local Party Structure Drew suggested we determine a list of positions to build our local party with and recruit for those positions. (Tabled until future meetings; however Kaisha was appointed as contact for the purposes of the county council) -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From andid at cagreens.org Tue Sep 18 15:25:33 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Andrea's Status Improving... Message-ID: <17DC3E0C-64A9-4041-97CD-4F8D14778BFE@cagreens.org> She's baaaaack (almost)! Next week I get to drive! I lost 13 pounds (a good thing for the joints) and I am bending the knee well, with more work needed on straightening of the knee. New exercise assignment from the handsome Dr Hartford: Hold down knee joint flat against the floor for at least 30 seconds, then release - do this twice a day! The first push to the floor doesn't hurt, but the hold down after about 10 seconds begins to burn. Yup, that's the idea! "Feel that stretch," he says with a grin. Fiendish surgeon!! As he left the exam room, his last words to me were, "You're doing great!" and with a last wink, "You're looking great!!" I am soooo inspired (sigh)! This week I am in Pacifica and due to have three visits from the Christmas spirits of good knee therapy, starting today. If I am a very good girl and do my exercises as prescribed by the therapist- spirit, I will be allowed the freedom to begin to drive next week, with caution. So I wish I could be there at the movie night, but I'm just not going to quite make it. I know Rob will do a great job. Hey, think about why electric cars have been actively opposed, and even seem to have been treated like a threat to the ICE (internal combustion engine) industry? especially now that Tesla's fantastic Roadster has put the lie to most of their arguments against the electric car. I'd be interested in what reasons you come up with. Best wishes to all, Andrea From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Sep 18 16:15:57 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:15:57 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BFwd=3A_Senate_to_Decide_on_Habeas_?= =?utf-8?b?4oCTIENhbGwgTm93IV0=?= Message-ID: <46F05C2D.4060601@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Senate to Decide on Habeas ? Call Now! Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:40:27 -0700 From: "PFAW Activist Network" Reply-To: To: "Gerald Gras" [People For the American Way] [Action Alert] Forward this e-mail | Subscribe to PFAW Action Alerts PEOPLE FOR THE AMERICAN WAY September 18, 2007 [PFAW_banner] [PFAW_red_underline] <#> [transparent] Sen. Dianne Feinstein Phone: (202) 224-3841 Sen. Barbara Boxer Phone: (202) 224-3553 Dear Gerald, The Senate is likely to vote on restoration of Habeas Corpus TOMORROW! Call your senators NOW and tell them to vote YES on the Habeas Corpus Restoration Act -- Amendment 2022 to the Department of Defense authorization bill (S. 1585). Sen. Dianne Feinstein Phone: (202) 224-3841 Sen. Barbara Boxer Phone: (202) 224-3553 Amendment 2022, co-sponsored by Senators Leahy (D-VT), Dodd (D-CT) and Specter (R-PA), would correct one of the worst parts of the infamous Military Commissions Act of 2006.* Here's our chance to roll back one of the worst attacks on civil liberties by the Bush administration and the 109th Congress. We can't stress the urgency enough -- please call TODAY. As always, you can let us know how your calls go with our online call report form at http://pfaw.kintera.org/CallReport . And something else to keep on your radar: Later this week, members of Congress will take up the important task of fixing the deceptively-named Protect America Act, passed by Congress earlier this summer. That bill, which could probably be more appropriately referred to as the "Spy on America Act," amended the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to give the Bush administration vast new power to spy on Americans' phone calls and e-mails, and drastically weakened congressional and judicial oversight on these activities. Speaker of the House Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid have both said they will push legislation to fix this awful bill, but in order for "fix" bills to move, members of the House and Senate need to feel grassroots pressure to restore oversight as well as important privacy and due process protections to FISA. Your voice will be needed. Stay tuned! -- Your Allies at People For the American Way P.S. Because DOD authorization is extremely unlikely to be vetoed by the president, it could be a great vehicle for progress on several fronts -- legislation that has passed the House already, legislation that could pass the House if we get it through the Senate and legislation that the president has already threatened to veto could all become part of H.R. 1585 via the amendment process. * Find out more about the Military Commissions Act of 2006 here: http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=24598 . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent to: gerrygras at earthlink.net Manage your People For profile and e-mail subscriptions at: http://www.pfaw.org/go/my_profile To ensure that People For e-mails are not diverted to your spam or bulk folders, please add alerts at pfaw.org to your address book and/or "safe list." Links may show up as "kintera" in the address bar. This is normal and those Web pages are owned and operated by PFAW. Please DO NOT reply to this e-mail. Replies will not be read. To contact us online, please use the web form at: http://www.pfaw.org/go/contact_us/ PFAW ? 2007 Remove yourself from this mailing . From andid at cagreens.org Wed Sep 19 08:38:47 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What I saw at Burning Man 2007 In-Reply-To: <46E82F04.6090706@aceweb.com> References: <46E82F04.6090706@aceweb.com> Message-ID: <445C712B-5690-4315-98D9-7A44F9691CA8@cagreens.org> Fabulous collection, Tian! I loved the topless bike race, the trekkie version of Galileo, the moon eclipse, and the beautiful neon section, among others. The various faces you included with your new version of "feulish" are a delight to meet. BTW, I'm going to have to add your new bumper sticker to my collection!! Glad you got your message out!!! Andrea On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Tian wrote: > I took something like 900 pictures, and when I got done weeding them I > still had about 350. You can see those by clicking around starting > here: > > http://tian.greens.org/TransDimensionalZone/BurningMan/2007/index.html > > Considering that the playa is essentially a dusty lakebed with no > drain > that is wet for just a few months of the year, it's not the kind of > place where plants grow. You could easily call it a "bush free zone" > without exagerating the facts. I'm wondering if I'm the only one that > finds that funny. > > There were several remarkable sights that I didn't have my camera for. > One was the double rainbow. Another was the vandals burning the man > during the eclipse. (That one I slept through.) I hope you like what > I got. I'd love to read any comments you may have. > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > Latest change: Added Burning Man '07 pictures. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From kaisha_marie at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 21:02:41 2007 From: kaisha_marie at comcast.net (Kaisha Torres) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:02:41 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Minutes from East Valley Greens Meeting 09/11/07 In-Reply-To: <1364.38.99.84.36.1190145532.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: Hi All, I will try to answer the items that Drew left unanswered from Jim's questions.....please see below: -----Original Message----- From: Drew Johnson [mailto:JamBoi at Greens.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:59 PM To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Cc: kaisha_marie at comcast.net; Rob Means; Iliad Rodriguez; warner bloomberg; cls at greens.org Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Minutes from East Valley Greens Meeting 09/11/07 I've included a plain text version of the minutes (my apologies that its based on a previous version of Kaisha's notes since I couldn't copy/paste the .pdf version she attached to the note that started this thread) and answered a couple of Jim Doyle's questions below. Green is Connection! Drew On Tue, September 18, 2007 07:55, Kaisha Torres wrote: > All those locals who missed this meeting can catch up and join the > excitement next month! We meet the second Wednesday of every month at the > indicated on the minutes. > Thanks! > Kaisha On Tue, September 18, 2007 11:57, Jim Doyle wrote: > Kaisha, Thank you for the minutes of the meeting. > From which I can add or comment on: > > The name of the local sounds very good to me. > What a terrific meeting! It ended at 8:41 pm! > And it had plenty in it. > > Solar Panels: terrific project. > > Plastic bags: who is the person who has a friend on the city council > and who is the city council member of which city? > > GP social: who will be receiving the announcement? KAISHA: I will draft an Evite invitation tomorrow and forward a sample to the members of the EV Green and other interested Green members with the signup name & password for the Evite account so that then everyone can go in and import/add the emails from their own personal contacts that they would like to invite. I personally plan on sending it to almost everyone in my address book. > > Festival meeting: I do not recall seeing a notice of this or if I > did, it did not ring a bell at the time. KAISHA: I sent out the notice this morning and as Drew and I sit here alone, I can see that method will not work for future meetings :) Hopefully this is an event we can form a solid working group around. It may be that the social is a perfect opportunity to discuss the interest or lack thereof on this idea. > > Barec issue, 49ers stadium attachments did not come through. KAISHA: I apologize. I sent them through prior to this email > > 2) hosting a movie: good going evg > > 3) database: A number of people put their names and info on the > signup sheet at the Berryessa Arts and Wine Festival in May. > I recovered them from the tabling suitcase last Saturday. > The quickest way for me to get them to you is to provide > photocopies. > > Building a database: What should we use at the present time? > The cms content management system is still in the future. DREW: Cameron and I are wanting to set up a CiviCRM (that sits on top of Drupal CMS). Unfortunately finding time is an obstacle, but that is our desire. > Drew: what do you have in mind for a mailing list? Something > commercial? DREW: No just a cagreens.org e-mail list. > 9/28 social How widely will this be publicised? > Should any other groups be notified? E.g., ACLU, NAACP,MAPA. KAISHA: Wow that's an interesting idea. I am sure that members of the org involved in BAREC and the 49ers would be interested in coming but I hadn't thought of other groups. I think our intention was to have this social be the first of many so maybe after our success on the 28th, we can discuss expanding our invitations to other groups in our next meeting. > > Once again, a powerhouse meeting in less than 3 hours. KAISHA: You should have been there! This group is on fire and ready to change the world!...locally :) > Jim Doyle KAISHA: Thank you for reading and responding! ____ Minutes East Valley Greens Meeting, 9/11/07 Attendees: Iliad, Kaisha, Rob & Drew We recapped the information from last meeting with Rob to bring him up to date: Current Ideas and Goals for our Local: 1 Take school district project Iliad conducted at Leland and SJ Unified to install Solar on Schools 2 Green Products, Businesses, Technologies Festival 3 Banning plastic bags via SJ City Council (like Oakland & SF) 4 Drinking water purchasing eliminated from County/City 5 Issue campaign ? BAREC vote will occur in November 6 Stadium Issue 7 Evenings of Discourse/Green Party Socials Solar Panel Installation @ Schools ? Illiad discussed the Solar installation project @ SJ Unified. Chevron is supplying the panels, installation and upkeep. It hit the media and calls are flooding the school district due to his partnering with Chevron. School construction manager conference is a good place to put a presentation. Programs must be approved by the school district. School district is paying Fixed rate for the life of the contract (20 Years). Illiad will be supplying information that we may be able to pass on to our local school districts by the next meeting. Plastic Bag Issue ? Discussed with his friend on City Council about sponsoring a bill to eliminate bags and he seemed interested. Contact Ross Muriakamini (SP?) to contact this city council member to discuss the issue. Green Party Social ? Set for 09/28/07 from 6-8pm at Smoke Tiki Lounge at Post/San Pedro in downtown San Jose. ? Discussed providing a bit of literature with our issues, goals & a sign up list Festival Meeting ? Sending out the notice for the meeting next Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at the Peace Center at 7pm. Susan King is the SF contact for the Greens in the area of the greenfestivals.org and Drew can contact her about whether they are already involved in the festival in October 2007. BAREC Issue ? See attached brief 49ers Stadium Issue- See attached brief Drew updated our group with the following information from the last county meeting: 1 Warner Bloomberg is recovering from the Plenary and unable to attend tonight. He asked that BAREC be a issue that we move forward on. By virtue of being a party, we can utilize the registrar of voters and make contact with the members within the EV Local area (and especially SC Residents). We briefly discussed Kaisha?s brief which is attached to the minutes. 2 Movie night at San Jose Peace Center @ 7pm-It was requested that the EVG host the movie this time. 6pm would be the time for set up and Rob can address the group after the movie as he has expertise on electric transportation. Illiad told him that there is an update available on the air quality control board in regards to the movie & its claims (Who Killed the Electric Car). 3 We need to amass a database of people in our area. Cameron has all the lists from tabling. Kaisha will contact Cameron to obtain a list of people in our local area to invite them to the social. We need to develop a strategy for maintaining the database. Drew believes Cameron is working on an online database/content management system and civics database phoning system. Drew can arrange for a local area mailing list. 4 We discussed the modification of the chapter name. We are the East Valley Greens and the mailing list will be spelled out. 5 Rob discussed the world caf? discussion group concept. Refer to: http://www.theworldcafe.com/ He discussed the concept behind it and how it works. His interest in this was sparked due to the condition of his city council and the inability to penetrate the political structure into his town. Instead, the world caf? provides a forum where personal interests and biased are removed. Rob put together a proposal and a $3K budget and was going to go get foundation investment. Rob has since decided that he would try to obtain $30 a head instead. He has two tentative dates: 01/19/08 & 01/26/08. It will be held in the {UPDATE PER ROB: Indian Community Center, Saturday Morning Jan 19th, 2008.} It is a Grass roots democracy movement. Rob will invite the local politicians & usual suspects. He only has 75 seats available, currently because of the physical space of the center. Fred & Jim have volunteered to provide support. There will be 15 hosts & a facilitator. It should be warm & inviting discussion with active participation as a prerequisite. Discussed replicating the event based upon Rob?s success. Illiad suggested some sort of scholarship/funding for the event. Rob is doing this in connection with a neighborhood organization and he will include information for the Democracy Caf? in the newsletter. 6 Other topics: How our area is structured: Do we have neighborhood associations? Where can we meet as a political party? Local Party Structure Drew suggested we determine a list of positions to build our local party with and recruit for those positions. (Tabled until future meetings; however Kaisha was appointed as contact for the purposes of the county council) From kaisha_marie at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 21:02:38 2007 From: kaisha_marie at comcast.net (Kaisha Torres) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:02:38 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Briefs missing from 9/11 EV Green Minutes Message-ID: Hi All - Sorry for the omission from my previous submission. Here are the briefs I created regarding the BAREC issue and the 49ers Stadium Issue. I am also including a letter received from www.notwithmymoney.org regarding the stadium issue that provides an update. I am attaching the letter in pdf as well since it just doesn't translate well, with the footnotes, in plain text. In greenness, Kaisha BAREC Issue City of Santa Clara Project Facilitators & Contact Information: www.SaveBAREC.org; Kirk Vartan, Spokeperson: Phone: 888-BAREC-80, press 0 (888-227-3280, press 0); email: spokesperson at SaveBAREC.org Issue History & Concerns: ? Historical Information & Background: 1. The State of California owns the land and this is the LAST significant piece of public agricultural land in Santa Clara. 2. We have been battling with the State and City of Santa Clara for over five years 3. The State has been trying to sell the land for housing since Jan. 2003 (lots of issues, but not necessary for an overview) 4. The City of Santa Clara recently (June 19th) passed all resolutions necessary to allow the development (against the overwhelming majority of Santa Clarans and neighboring residents of the area) 5. Our group led the effort to get two referendums passed by getting 12,000 signatures in three weeks (two petitions - 6,000 signatures each). We challenged the zoning change from Agriculture to Planned Development and the General Plan Amendment. 6. The two referendums are now officially on the Feb 5, 2008 ballot. 7. If the referendums pass, the housing plan will be halted. 8. We need ALL of the City of Santa Clara to rally around this. ? In the effort to protect the citizens and the BAREC land. On Friday, August 10, 2007, SaveBAREC.org filed a CEQA (California Environmental Quality Act) lawsuit against the City of Santa Clara for adopting what we feel is an inadequate Environmental Impact Report (EIR). The lawsuit (actually a petition) challenges six major flawed areas in the Environmental Impact Report (EIR), including the soil testing and cleanup, traffic, significant impacts, loss of farmland, and history. ? In filing this "Petition for Writ of Mandate," SaveBAREC is challenging the validity of the Environmental Impact Report (EIR) in an effort to protect the residents from a faulty cleanup process and the community from an environmental document that is inaccurate. ? Our priority right now is the referendum. We hope the Council will save the City of Santa Clara over $172,000 and simply rescind the resolutions. If they do not, the Council will be forced to put these two resolutions on the ballot in February 2008, costing the taxpayers an additional $172,000. ? To keep this 17 acre agricultural piece of public land public. Additionally, we believe an educational, urban farm would best benefit the public and provide a financially sustainable way to preserve the land in open space forever. How we can be involved: ? Write a letter to the City Council: 1500 Warburton Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95050 ? Call the City Council: (408) 615-2250 ? Send an email to the City Council ? Attend a City Council meeting and speak out. Meetings are generally held at least two times per month on Tuesdays at 7:00 P.M. at City Hall in the Council Chambers, 1500 Warburton Avenue. ? Send an Letter to the Editor of the Mercury News ? Send an Letter to the Editor of the Santa Clara Weekly ? Spread the word! 49ers Stadium Issue City of Santa Clara Project Name: Santa Clara Plays Fair Not With Our Money Contact Information: www.StadiumFacts.org Project Concerns: Public expenditure of at least $287,000,000 in cash, property, and other assets. A per resident cost of over $2,500. Less than 10% facility utilization. Loss of our municipal power reserve fund. Misplaced priorities. No comparison shopping. Little, if any, direct return on investment. How we can be involved: Write a letter to the City Council: 1500 Warburton Avenue Santa Clara, CA 95050 Call the City Council: (408) 615-2250 Send an email to the City Council Attend a City Council meeting and speak out. Meetings are generally held at least two times per month on Tuesdays at 7:00 P.M. at City Hall in the Council Chambers, 1500 Warburton Avenue. Send an Letter to the Editor of the Mercury News Send an Letter to the Editor of the Santa Clara Weekly Spread the word! Events: City Council Meeting (9/11/07) and city?s Art and Wine festival the weekend of Sept. 15 & 16, and we could use help talking with people and possibly gathering signatures (Only residents can gather signatures if it?s for an official petition.) Update from notwithmymoney: 1 Byron Fleck is an attorney, former Chair of the City of Santa Clara Planning Commission and former City Planning Commissioner. Karen Hardy is a teacher, former Chair of the City of Santa Clara Planning Commission and former City Planning Commissioner. 2 http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_6796073?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.co m-www .mercurynews.com 1 The Billionaires York $222 Million Subsidy Request From Your Money Seven Months Later How Our City Council Has Served Us Based on A ?Guess? and a Comment by, Byron Fleck & Karen Hardy1 ?It?s something we?ve never done before. So six months at best was a guess.? Santa Clara Mayor Mahan offering an explanation why the City feasibility study (originally projected to be completed at the end of July, then end of September) may now slip to the end of the year, or later.2 Guess? A ?guess? is flipping a coin. A ?guess? might be something you do in the absence of fact. A ?guess? might be something you do when the consequence of a wrong ?guess? is inconsequential. A ?guess? is a gamble. We do not think it much to ask that when our Mayor and City Council decide to spend our money, they do so based on something more than a ?guess.? 3 See video, http://cbs5.com/video/?id=24296 at kpix.dayport.com 4 http://www.ci.santa-clara.ca.us/pdf/collateral/Implementation-plan.pdf See, p.15 5 http://www.ci.santa-clara.ca.us/pdf/collateral/49ers-20070710-Agenda-Report- Additional-Legaland- Fiscal-Services.pdf See, p. 1,2. 2 Here are the consequences of ?The Guess.?... over just the last seven months. - The subsidy request from your money to the billionaire York family swelled from $160 million3 ($6,000 per Santa Clara household) to $222 million4 ($8,000 per Santa Clara Household), a 40% overrun. -The cost for the ?Feasibility Study? jumped from $200,000 to $315,000, a 60% overrun. The City Manager warned the Council that more overruns are likely.5 -The projected date for the completion of the ?Feasibility Study? slipped from the end of July, to the end of September to, now, possibly, the end of 2007. Five months late, after an originally projected six month period. A delay overrun of 70%. These facts, of course, beg the question, ?If our City Council can?t get the numbers right without double-digit overruns, how will they do building and operating an $854 million stadium?? Scary. That, unfortunately, is just the beginning. More consequences of ?The Guess? follow. ////// 6 http://www.ci.santa-clara.ca.us/pdf/collateral/January_9_Agenda_Report_re_Pr oposed_49ers_St adium.pdf p.4. 7 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/28/MNGDROT5PH1.DTL& feed=rss.n ews 8 http://sayhey.wordpress.com/2007/06/04/santa-clara-49ers-offseason-update-wh o-needs-electricit y/ 3 On January 2, 2007, the Santa Clara City Council made a promise to each resident. They unanimously adopted a set of guidelines to protect residents in evaluating the billionaires? subsidy request. They promised to follow them. Here is how our Santa Clara City Council has performed on the most significant guidelines.6 We thought you should know. 1. No use or obligation of General Fund monies of the City of Santa Clara. This is deception. ?General Fund,? ?Redevelopment Fund,? or ?Utility Fund.? Regardless of ?Fund?, these are all your monies. Want proof? When there is a utility rate increase by the Santa Clara Electric Utility, who pays that increase? You do. It is your money. It is your Electric Utility. We now know that the billionaire?s York proposal, as discussed below, expressly intends to raid your Redevelopment and Utility funds. 2. No tax increase put on Santa Clara residents, businesses or ratepayers to fund a stadium project. Promise not kept. Just two months after the City Council made this promise to you, Santa Clara?s City manager conceded Santa Clara utility rates would have to increase as much as 16% to support the subsidy to the billionaires.7 $20 million to $30 million of your money would be used to move an electrical substation.8 9 http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_6796073?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.co m-www .mercurynews.com 10 Subsidy proponent or opponent, all residents must be aghast at the negotiating ineptitude demonstrated by the Mayor and Council. Prior to Mayor Mahan?s now infamous declaration that a then $160 million subsidy from your money was ?doable? (despite the fact she had not yet read the 49ers proposal at the time of her ?doable?remark), Cedar Fair was supportive 4 3. Great America Theme Park/Cedar Fair must agree to cooperate with any proposed stadium project sited on existing City-owned lands leased or committed to them. The City/Agency requires a written acknowledgment from Cedar Fair stating they will not assert business interference or negative effects by the ongoing feasibility studies/discussions...pertaining to a proposed stadium to be located in their leased parking lot. THIS AGREEMENT MUST BE OBTAINED PRIOR TO PURSUING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE 49ERS. (Emphasis added). Promise not kept. There is not, to date, any such written agreement. Notwithstanding the failure to secure the agreement, your City and the 49ers have been engaged in negotiations, directly and indirectly, throughout the period from when your City Council made this promise through the present. What is the consequence of your City negotiating with the 49ers without the promised written acknowledgment of Cedar Fair? Simple. Your City is now exposed to liability for hundreds of millions of dollars. There is no other explanation why our City Council would proceed without the Cedar Fair agreement other than recklessness, in conscious disregard of the welfare of City residents. 4. If Cedar Fair agrees to cooperate on a proposed stadium project, there should be no financial loss to the City/RDA from diminished land lease payments from the existing Theme Park ground lease. Promise not kept. Of course, there is no agreement.9 Given that the City Council is falling all over itself to give away $8,000 from every Santa Clara household to billionaires, guess who might also want a subsidy? Cedar Fair?10 of the 49ers proposal. Soon after the Mayor?s ?doable observation, Cedar Fair went on the record to oppose the stadium. See, San Jose Mercury News, Patel & Swift, ? 49ers specify city share of stadium? April 25, 2007 Sec 1B, and http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6151899 11 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/10/BA5NS1EUQ.DTL 5 5. Any proposed or approved stadium project in the City of Santa Clara will be the result of a visible, public process, open to the community. Promise not kept. Second only to your right to vote (more on that shortly), nothing more fundamental to a democracy than the right to know what your elected officials are doing. Remember, negotiations were not to begin between your City and the 49ers until after a written agreement with Cedar Fair is made protecting us from liability. No such agreement has been made. Additionally, negotiations on a stadium proposal with the 49ers, expected to last a few months, was not to begin until after presentation of the Feasibility Study, now anticipated to be year end or later.11 Therefore, if there is no agreement in place to protect us from a lawsuit from Cedar Fair nor has the time yet arrived to negotiate a proposal with the 49ers, what?s to hide? Apparently, a lot. On May 10, 2007 we, as residents, requested all documents relating to negotiations with the 49ers. Given the above, there should not have been any. Yet, hundreds of documents were produced. More disturbing, the City Council refused to produce hundreds of other documents responsive to our request, under various claims of ?exemption? under the California Records Act. Thereafter, consistent with the promise made to you of a ?visible public process? we asked the Santa Clara City Council, through its attorney, to waive the claims of exemption (which they can under law), but they refused. 12 http://www.mercurynews.com/search/ci_6796073?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.co m-www .mercurynews.com 13 http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=5297305 14 http://www.mercurynews.com/columns/ci_6063910 1 5 http://www.mercurynews.com/columns/ci_6063910 6 C omment. "We haven't come up against one obstacle, or one factor, that violates our principles for going forward," Mahan said.12 Of course, given the results above, the Mayor?s statement is a lie. Santa Clara Mayor Patricia Mahan is on record as opposing a public vote on the billionaires subsidy. Mayor Mahan, Santa Clara: "I think it would politicize the issue beyond what's necessary. We built the theme park behind us as a land use issue without a vote of the people. We built the golf course over here without a vote of the people."13 We believe the Mayor?s position is a collective slap in the face to Santa Clara residents. You will recall that when we last asked the City Council to put on the ballot any final proposal for a subsidy from your money for binding decision by the voters of Santa Clara, we were met by the following: Councilmember Moore: ?If you want it on the ballot, you pay for it.? Councilmember Caserta: ?This is an act of political theater.?14 All other Councilmembers: Silent. Notwithmymoney.org is an organization composed entirely of Santa Clara residents opposed to giving billionaires $8,000 from each Santa Clara household to construct and operate and $854 million professional football stadium.15 Please, have your Santa Clara family, friends and neighbors join us NOW at membership at notwithmymoney.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: THIS IS ANOTWITHMYMONEY2.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 77793 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kaisha_marie at comcast.net Wed Sep 19 16:46:37 2007 From: kaisha_marie at comcast.net (Kaisha Torres) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:46:37 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Monthly Green Party Movie: 09/21/07 7pm "Who Killed the Electric Car?" Message-ID: Please forward the following information regarding the monthly movie at the Peace Center to anyone who may be interested. This month: "Who Killed the Electric Car?" This documentary chronicles the life and mysterious death of the GM EV1, examining its cultural and economic ripple effects and how they reverberated through the halls of government and big business. Monthly Green Party Movie At San Jose PeaceCenter Friday, September 21st at 7:00 PM 48 S. 7th St. San Jose, CA Volunteers are needed to help set up the room, provide refreshments and cleanup afterwards. The movie starts at 7:00pm and we will need to set up the room and the refreshment table by 6:15pm. Please contact Merriam at mkmuusic at greens.org or Kaisha at kaisha_marie at comcast.net to find out how you can help and what to bring. Rob Means has volunteered to lead the post movie discussion and share his knowledge and understanding of electric transportation. Co-sponsored by East Valley Greens and the Green Party of Santa Clara County. Suggested Donation: $5 - $10, no one turned away. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 09:25:05 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:25:05 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] US Caused More Deaths in Iraq Than Saddam, Says Anti-War Tribunal Message-ID: <46F29EE1.1030608@earthlink.net> http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/19/3938/ From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 09:29:17 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:29:17 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] AARP To Kucinich: Drop Dead Message-ID: <46F29FDD.1030906@earthlink.net> AARP is excluding Kucinich from a debate they are having: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/20/3972/ From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 10:02:23 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:02:23 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? Message-ID: <46F2A79F.7000908@earthlink.net> I keep hearing that the Bush Administration is pushing for an attack on Iran due to its possible nuclear activity. Considering the fact that no WMD were found in Iran, this administration should have 0 credibility on this issue. Yet I see little action in this country in opposition to Iran. We may see an occasional sign at various events, but not much. Am I missing something? In my opinion, an attack on Iran would be a disaster. Why is there not more opposition? And if you agree that there should be more opposition, what should be done? I plan to at least send more letters to my reps. But that's not enough. Gerry From andid at cagreens.org Thu Sep 20 10:07:00 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:07:00 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] AARP To Kucinich: Drop Dead In-Reply-To: <46F29FDD.1030906@earthlink.net> References: <46F29FDD.1030906@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <53DA76BF-2E45-44E1-916D-BEC95D71063E@cagreens.org> Despicable. Many of us members finally caught on when the infamous "doughnut hole" showed up in the drug deal cut by AARP with big Pharma. A. On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > AARP is excluding Kucinich from a debate they > are having: > > http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/20/3972/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From andid at cagreens.org Thu Sep 20 10:09:43 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:09:43 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? In-Reply-To: <46F2A79F.7000908@earthlink.net> References: <46F2A79F.7000908@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <38100B96-2CEB-460C-A99E-AFD41C58B259@cagreens.org> How do you reach people who not only get their news from TV, but get it only from FOXy News? Andrea On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > I keep hearing that the Bush Administration > is pushing for an attack on Iran due to its > possible nuclear activity. Considering the > fact that no WMD were found in Iran, this > administration should have 0 credibility on > this issue. > > Yet I see little action in this country in > opposition to Iran. We may see an occasional > sign at various events, but not much. > > Am I missing something? In my opinion, an > attack on Iran would be a disaster. Why is > there not more opposition? > > And if you agree that there should be more > opposition, what should be done? > > I plan to at least send more letters to my > reps. But that's not enough. > > Gerry > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Sep 20 12:04:43 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? In-Reply-To: <46F2A79F.7000908@earthlink.net> References: <46F2A79F.7000908@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1298.38.99.84.36.1190315083.squirrel@greens.org> Impeachment is needed NOW! Impeach Cheney first. Through the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition we've been hard at work on this issue. We (Gerry and Fred, me and 2 others) met directly with Anna Eshoo last Friday on this very issue. She was in (not total, but significant) denial about the magnitude of the clear and present danger that Cheney-Bush represent particularly in regards to their intentions towards Iran. Impeach for Peace! Drew On Thu, September 20, 2007 10:02, Gerry Gras wrote: > > I keep hearing that the Bush Administration > is pushing for an attack on Iran due to its > possible nuclear activity. Considering the > fact that no WMD were found in Iran, this > administration should have 0 credibility on > this issue. > > Yet I see little action in this country in > opposition to Iran. We may see an occasional > sign at various events, but not much. > > Am I missing something? In my opinion, an > attack on Iran would be a disaster. Why is > there not more opposition? > > And if you agree that there should be more > opposition, what should be done? > > I plan to at least send more letters to my > reps. But that's not enough. > > Gerry > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From fredd at freeshell.org Thu Sep 20 12:23:13 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:23:13 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] AARP To Kucinich: Drop Dead In-Reply-To: <46F29FDD.1030906@earthlink.net> References: <46F29FDD.1030906@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46F2C8A1.7050808@freeshell.org> It appears more and more that AARP's first priority is selling health insurance. Secondly, it coddles "seniors." Other than disconnecting with AARP, how can individuals counter its power? Fred Despicable. Many of us members finally caught on when the infamous "doughnut hole" showed up in the drug deal cut by AARP with big Pharma. A. On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > AARP is excluding Kucinich from a debate they > are having: > > http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/20/3972/ > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Sep 20 12:31:32 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fred published in Merc: Arguments against impeachment don't stand up Message-ID: <1480.38.99.84.36.1190316692.squirrel@greens.org> http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_6945527 Another view: Arguments against impeachment don't stand up By Fred Duperrault Article Launched: 09/20/2007 01:33:01 AM PDT Impeachment should be a hot topic in the halls of Congress and on the front pages of newspapers. But, since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney "off the table," most Democrats, including Silicon Valley Reps. Anna Eshoo, Mike Honda and Zoe Lofgren, are marching to Pelosi's drum beat. Because of the media's self-imposed gag order on impeachment, most Americans are unaware that articles of impeachment to indict Cheney have been submitted to the House Judiciary Committee. The House Resolution Articles (HR 333) were submitted by Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, months ago. Since then, 19 Democrats, including Bay Area Reps. Lynn Woolsey of Santa Rosa, Barbara Lee of Oakland and Sam Farr of Salinas have signed on. However, Silicon Valley representatives continue to obey Pelosi's edict. The obvious question is why? Why are Pelosi and her entourage refusing to honor their responsibility to challenge, through constitutional impeachment, the illegality of Bush's and Cheney's use of self-appointed powers? Why are they avoiding charging Bush and Cheney for fraudulently leading our country into an illegal "shock and awe" assault on Iraq, a relatively defenseless sovereign state. Why have they not defended our Constitution - the foundation of our democratic federation and the guardian of justice and civil rights? And why do they remain complicit - by their silence - to the deceptive and Advertisement impeachable escapades of the Bush-Cheney administration? Why? Following are four general answers offered by Pelosi and the three representatives from Silicon Valley. After each answer is a rebuttal by the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. ANSWER: There are not enough House votes to impeach Bush and Cheney. REBUTTAL: Only by exposure of their crimes and misdemeanors, made possible by impeachment investigations, would they gain the number of votes necessary to impeach and indict. When the public realizes the severity of the Bush-Cheney violations, opposition to impeachment should quickly melt away. ANSWER: There isn't enough evidence to prove that they are guilty of violating the trust they were given to exercise power. REBUTTAL: Baloney! Many renowned constitutional scholars and lawyers, and millions of informed political buffs, can easily identify the impeachable White House vices. How can those who have the power to impeach dismiss the proliferation of evidence documented in volumes across the land? How can they honestly say there isn't enough evidence? ANSWER: Congress doesn't have the time to impeach. Conducting oversight investigations and passing important legislation pre-empts any attempt to invoke an impeachment process to preserve the validity and the democratic viability of our Constitution. A political strategy for the next year is more important. REBUTTAL: There's strong consensus that the Bush-Cheney administration has been the most corrupt, most incompetent and most dangerous of any throughout the history of the Union. Plus, the severe damage to the integrity of the United States and the offices of the presidency and vice presidency have been tragic. ANSWER: Impeachment would divide the country. REBUTTAL: Both political parties and the whole nation are already divided, but the polls show that the country's approval rating of President Bush has been consistently below 40 percent. Upon commencement of impeachment proceedings, the overwhelming evidence of Bush and Cheney's crimes and misdemeanors would be so convincing, most of America would become of one mind regarding the validity to impeach. Sweeping the impeachment debate under the congressional carpet will not heal the nation. Nor will a healthy revelation of the truth through the impeachment process destroy the unity of America. Area activists for impeachment are urging voters in the 14th, 15th and 16th congressional Districts to participate in making impeachment a hot topic. The best way to do so is to contact their representatives and tell them to sign on to impeach Cheney, and then Bush. FRED DUPERRAULT is a member of the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. He wrote this article for the Mercury News. From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Sep 20 15:44:52 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Delta impact on water supply: Next Mon 24th - LWV Los Altos Forum In-Reply-To: <1480.38.99.84.36.1190316692.squirrel@greens.org> References: <1480.38.99.84.36.1190316692.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <2497.38.99.84.36.1190328292.squirrel@greens.org> Forum weighs Delta impact on water supply The Los Altos Library has scheduled ?Water, Water Everywhere: Enough to Drink?? a forum sponsored by the League of Women Voters of Los Altos/Mountain View, 7-8:30 p.m Monday Sept 24th at the main library, 13 S. San Antonio Road. Patrick Kwok, director of the Santa Clara County Water District, and Greg Zlotnick, special counsel to the water district, will provide updates on state water issues and the recent decision to reduce by one-third the amount of water drawn from the Delta to protect endangered smelt. For more information, contact Jane Turnbull at 941-4846, info at lwvlamv.org or www.lwvlamv.org. Map of Los Altos Main library: http://tinyurl.com/2nfyf6 League of Women Voters Calender: http://lwvlamv.org/calendar.html From alexcathy at aol.com Thu Sep 20 16:34:33 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:34:33 -0400 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BREAKING NEWS: US SENATE CONDEMNS MOVEON.ORG AD Message-ID: <8C9C9F5EF0DE167-9B8-7FED@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends,? The United States Senate. the (ahem) World?s Most Deliberative Body, solemnly voted 72 to 25 to condemn the ?General Betray Us? ad by MoveOn.org. ? SENATE BLOCKS ANTIWAR BILL, CONDEMNS AD by Anne Flaherty Associated Press ? WASHINGTON (AP) ? The Senate blocked legislation Thursday that would have cut off money for combat in Iraq by June. It was a predictable defeat for Democrats struggling to pass less divisive anti-war measures. ? The 28-70 vote was 32 short of the 60 needed to cut off a GOP filibuster. The legislation, sponsored by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Sen. Russ Feingold, was indicative of the Democratic leadership's new hardline strategy. . . . Earlier, the Senate voted 72-25 to condemn an advertisement by the liberal anti-war group MoveOn.org that accused the top U.S. military commander in Iraq of betrayal. A full-page ad appeared last week in The New York Times as Gen. David Petraeus testified before Congress about his assessment of the situation in Iraq. The ad's headline was: "General Petraeus or General Betray Us? Cooking the books for the White House." ? With several Republicans opposed to President Bush's war strategy, GOP lawmakers could put aside their differences and rally around their disapproval of the ad. ? Sen. Gordon Smith, one of the few Republican senators who supports legislation ordering troop withdrawals, said he thought Petraeus' testimony and the ad were the two biggest factors in keeping Republicans from breaking ranks with the president. ? He said Petraeus' testimony was persuasive and the ad went too far by attacking a popular uniformed officer. ? "It was stupid on their part and disgraceful," said Smith, R-Ore. ? Click here to see how your senators voted. ? Special Note to My California Friends: Democratic Sen. Diane Feinstein, of course, voted to condemn the ad.? Please tell me again why she is the "lesser evil."? ? They could not vote up or down on a plan to give troops more rest between deployments, but they could vote for this. ? Unbelievable! ? For my thoughts on the Petraeus ad see my blog post at: http://www.greencommons.org/node/782 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 16:58:31 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:58:31 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SVIC] Fred published in Merc: Arguments against impeachment don't stand up References: <1480.38.99.84.36.1190316692.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <46F30927.2000400@earthlink.net> Sometimes the Merc publishes items on line, but not in the paper itself. So I went out to buy a paper here in Palo Alto. Fred's article took the bottom quarter of the first opinion page (page 16A). Gerry Drew Johnson wrote: > http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_6945527 > > Another view: Arguments against impeachment don't stand up > By Fred Duperrault > Article Launched: 09/20/2007 01:33:01 AM PDT > > Impeachment should be a hot topic in the halls of Congress and on the > front pages of newspapers. But, since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took > impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney "off the > table," most Democrats, including Silicon Valley Reps. Anna Eshoo, Mike > Honda and Zoe Lofgren, are marching to Pelosi's drum beat. > > Because of the media's self-imposed gag order on impeachment, most > Americans are unaware that articles of impeachment to indict Cheney have > been submitted to the House Judiciary Committee. The House Resolution > Articles (HR 333) were submitted by Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, months > ago. Since then, 19 Democrats, including Bay Area Reps. Lynn Woolsey of > Santa Rosa, Barbara Lee of Oakland and Sam Farr of Salinas have signed on. > > However, Silicon Valley representatives continue to obey Pelosi's edict. > > The obvious question is why? > > Why are Pelosi and her entourage refusing to honor their responsibility to > challenge, through constitutional impeachment, the illegality of Bush's > and Cheney's use of self-appointed powers? Why are they avoiding charging > Bush and Cheney for fraudulently leading our country into an illegal > "shock and awe" assault on Iraq, a relatively defenseless sovereign state. > Why have they not defended our Constitution - the foundation of our > democratic federation and the guardian of justice and civil rights? And > why do they remain complicit - by their silence - to the deceptive and > Advertisement > impeachable escapades of the Bush-Cheney administration? Why? > > Following are four general answers offered by Pelosi and the three > representatives from Silicon Valley. After each answer is a rebuttal by > the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. > > ANSWER: There are not enough House votes to impeach Bush and Cheney. > > REBUTTAL: Only by exposure of their crimes and misdemeanors, made possible > by impeachment investigations, would they gain the number of votes > necessary to impeach and indict. When the public realizes the severity of > the Bush-Cheney violations, opposition to impeachment should quickly melt > away. > > ANSWER: There isn't enough evidence to prove that they are guilty of > violating the trust they were given to exercise power. > > REBUTTAL: Baloney! Many renowned constitutional scholars and lawyers, and > millions of informed political buffs, can easily identify the impeachable > White House vices. How can those who have the power to impeach dismiss the > proliferation of evidence documented in volumes across the land? How can > they honestly say there isn't enough evidence? > > ANSWER: Congress doesn't have the time to impeach. Conducting oversight > investigations and passing important legislation pre-empts any attempt to > invoke an impeachment process to preserve the validity and the democratic > viability of our Constitution. A political strategy for the next year is > more important. > > REBUTTAL: There's strong consensus that the Bush-Cheney administration has > been the most corrupt, most incompetent and most dangerous of any > throughout the history of the Union. Plus, the severe damage to the > integrity of the United States and the offices of the presidency and vice > presidency have been tragic. > > ANSWER: Impeachment would divide the country. > > REBUTTAL: Both political parties and the whole nation are already divided, > but the polls show that the country's approval rating of President Bush > has been consistently below 40 percent. Upon commencement of impeachment > proceedings, the overwhelming evidence of Bush and Cheney's crimes and > misdemeanors would be so convincing, most of America would become of one > mind regarding the validity to impeach. > > Sweeping the impeachment debate under the congressional carpet will not > heal the nation. Nor will a healthy revelation of the truth through the > impeachment process destroy the unity of America. > > Area activists for impeachment are urging voters in the 14th, 15th and > 16th congressional Districts to participate in making impeachment a hot > topic. The best way to do so is to contact their representatives and tell > them to sign on to impeach Cheney, and then Bush. > > FRED DUPERRAULT is a member of the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition. > He wrote this article for the Mercury News. > > > > > From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Sep 20 17:25:25 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:25:25 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Protesting Rumsfeld at Stanford Message-ID: <46F30F75.50603@earthlink.net> There is a growing protest in the Stanford community against Rumsfeld: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/18/3932/ And in today's Merc, the first letter to the editor is against Rumsfeld, and signed by Paul Ehrlich, Robert Sapolsky, and Debra Satz. I think it is available from this page: http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion (I can't get to it because it wants me to get a username and password.) ... Hmm, there appear to be 2 letters to the editor from that page, but I see only one in the paper. The letter mentions an online petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/norummy/petition.html Gerry From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Sep 20 17:42:13 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] BREAKING NEWS: US SENATE CONDEMNS MOVEON.ORG AD In-Reply-To: <8C9C9F5EF0DE167-9B8-7FED@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9C9F5EF0DE167-9B8-7FED@mblk-r41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2927.38.99.84.36.1190335333.squirrel@greens.org> Cowards! And note that included Feinstein. Where we they when now President-in-exile Kerry was being swiftboated??? Green is Care! Drew On Thu, September 20, 2007 16:34, alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Green Friends,? > > > > > > The United States Senate. the (ahem) World???s Most > Deliberative Body, solemnly voted 72 to 25 to condemn the ???General > Betray Us??? ad > by MoveOn.org. > > > > > > ? > > > > SENATE > BLOCKS ANTIWAR BILL, CONDEMNS AD > > by Anne Flaherty > > Associated Press > > > > ? > > > > WASHINGTON (AP) ??? The Senate blocked legislation Thursday > that would have cut off money for combat in Iraq by June. It was a > predictable > defeat for Democrats struggling to pass less divisive anti-war measures. > > > > ? > > > > The 28-70 vote was 32 short of the 60 needed to cut off a > GOP filibuster. The legislation, sponsored by Senate Majority Leader Harry > Reid > and Sen. Russ Feingold, was indicative of the Democratic leadership's new > hardline strategy. > > > > . . . > > > > Earlier, the Senate voted 72-25 to condemn an advertisement > by the liberal anti-war group MoveOn.org that accused the top U.S. > military > commander in Iraq of betrayal. > > > > A full-page ad appeared last week in The New York Times as > Gen. David Petraeus testified before Congress about his assessment of the > situation in Iraq. The ad's headline was: "General Petraeus or General > Betray Us? Cooking the books for the White House." > > > > ? > > > > With several Republicans opposed to President Bush's war > strategy, GOP lawmakers could put aside their differences and rally around > their disapproval of the ad. > > > > ? > > > > Sen. Gordon Smith, one of the few Republican senators who > supports legislation ordering troop withdrawals, said he thought Petraeus' > testimony and the ad were the two biggest factors in keeping Republicans > from > breaking ranks with the president. > > > > ? > > > > He said Petraeus' testimony was persuasive and the ad went > too far by attacking a popular uniformed officer. > > > > ? > > > > "It was stupid on their part and disgraceful," > said Smith, R-Ore. > > > > ? > > > > Click > here to see how your senators voted. > > > > ? > > > > Special Note to My California Friends: > > > > > > > > Democratic Sen. Diane Feinstein, of course, voted to condemn > the ad.? Please tell me again why she is the "lesser evil."? > > > > ? > > > > They could not vote up or down on a plan to give troops more > rest between deployments, but they could vote for this. > > > > ? > > > > Unbelievable! > > > > ? > > > > For my thoughts on the Petraeus ad see my blog post at: > > > > http://www.greencommons.org/node/782 -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Sep 20 17:47:06 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Protesting Rumsfeld at Stanford In-Reply-To: <46F30F75.50603@earthlink.net> References: <46F30F75.50603@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1130.38.99.84.36.1190335626.squirrel@greens.org> Here's the text of the Merc LttE re: Von Rumsfeld: http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_6945525 Rumsfeld counter to Stanford motto >From the readers of the Mercury News Article Launched: 09/20/2007 01:32:58 AM PDT Rumsfeld counter to Stanford motto We write to express our deep concern at the appointment of Donald Rumsfeld as a "distinguished visiting fellow" at the Hoover Institution. As members of the Stanford community who see as part of its educational mission having our country fulfill its highest ideals, we feel this appointment is a clear diminishment of our institution's and indeed our country's values. Rumsfeld bears major responsibility for condoning torture as an instrument of national policy, for callous disregard of international law and for the precipitous erosion of our civil liberties. While secretary of defense, Rumsfeld knowingly deceived the American public in pushing for an unnecessary war and a now disastrous military occupation. Furthermore, he has done a disservice to democratic debate, an indispensable element in educational and democratic institutions universally, by early on accusing those who raised questions about this war of being unpatriotic and indeed treasonous. Such a dampening of vigorous democratic discussion and intellectual inquiry entirely contradicts Stanford University's motto: "The wind of freedom blows." We are joined by 181 others signing this letter. An online petition at www.petitiononline. com/norummy/petition.html contains more than 1,800 signatures at the time of this writing. Paul Ehrlich Bing Professor of Population Studies, Department of Biology Robert Sapolsky John A. and Cynthia Fry Gunn Professor, Department Advertisement of Biological Sciences Debra Satz Professor, Department of Philosophy Stanford University On Thu, September 20, 2007 17:25, Gerry Gras wrote: > > There is a growing protest in the Stanford community > against Rumsfeld: > > http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/18/3932/ > > And in today's Merc, the first letter to the editor is > against Rumsfeld, and signed by Paul Ehrlich, > Robert Sapolsky, and Debra Satz. I think it is > available from this page: > > http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion > > (I can't get to it because it wants me to get a username > and password.) ... Hmm, there appear to be 2 letters to > the editor from that page, but I see only one in the paper. > > > The letter mentions an online petition: > > http://www.petitiononline.com/norummy/petition.html > > > Gerry > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From andid at cagreens.org Thu Sep 20 19:35:03 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:35:03 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] AARP To Kucinich: Drop Dead In-Reply-To: <46F2C8A1.7050808@freeshell.org> References: <46F29FDD.1030906@earthlink.net> <46F2C8A1.7050808@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <483C877A-451D-4B75-BA91-C639762666FC@cagreens.org> AARP has two arms of the organization: one is the insurance, etc., business arm, and the other is the membership PR and support for seniors. The two are kept separate for tax, etc., purposes. A. On Sep 20, 2007, at 12:23 PM, Fred wrote: > > It appears more and more that AARP's first priority is selling health > insurance. Secondly, it coddles "seniors." > > Other than disconnecting with AARP, how can individuals counter its > power? > > Fred > > Despicable. > Many of us members finally caught on when the infamous "doughnut > hole" showed up in the drug deal cut by AARP with big Pharma. > A. > > On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Gerry Gras wrote: > >> >> AARP is excluding Kucinich from a debate they >> are having: >> >> http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/20/3972/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From henryduke2004 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 20 19:55:12 2007 From: henryduke2004 at yahoo.com (henry duke) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:55:12 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] AARP To Kucinich: Drop Dead In-Reply-To: <483C877A-451D-4B75-BA91-C639762666FC@cagreens.org> Message-ID: <20070921025549.07D5D4120F7@marla.cagreens.org> There are many ways to skin cats but in terms of health policy AARP is basicly a front for private property solutions against social and democratic ones that respect basic human rights. There is an alternative retirement association associated with single payer and organized labor: California Alliance of Retired Americans (CARA) http://www.californiaalliance.org/ AARP must be defeated for a majority of seniors to actually be able to be supported. Peace, hd -----Original Message----- From: sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org [mailto:sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org] On Behalf Of Andrea Dorey Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:35 PM To: Fred Cc: Gerry Gras; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] AARP To Kucinich: Drop Dead AARP has two arms of the organization: one is the insurance, etc., business arm, and the other is the membership PR and support for seniors. The two are kept separate for tax, etc., purposes. A. On Sep 20, 2007, at 12:23 PM, Fred wrote: > > It appears more and more that AARP's first priority is selling health > insurance. Secondly, it coddles "seniors." > > Other than disconnecting with AARP, how can individuals counter its > power? > > Fred > > Despicable. > Many of us members finally caught on when the infamous "doughnut > hole" showed up in the drug deal cut by AARP with big Pharma. > A. > > On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Gerry Gras wrote: > >> >> AARP is excluding Kucinich from a debate they >> are having: >> >> http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/20/3972/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From fredd at freeshell.org Thu Sep 20 22:35:09 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Dan Mayfield and Oct. 29 Message-ID: <46F3580D.3020908@freeshell.org> To the North Green Local Members, other Greens and Progressive Friends: The Clubhouse venue is available and Dan Mayfield of the National Lawyers Guild has accepted our invitation to speak on Thursday, October 25. When and where shall we meet next? Fred From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Sep 21 04:32:12 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:32:12 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Fund Withdrawal Letter: Get Bay Reps to Sign On!] Message-ID: <46F3ABBC.9010900@earthlink.net> From the San Mateo County list. Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gpsmc-d] Fw: [cpaction] Fund Withdrawal Letter: Get Bay Reps to Sign On! Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:59:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Cindy Marcopulos Reply-To: Cindy Marcopulos To: GreenParty list serve to all This is a letter Code Pink is requesting those of us in Lantos' district to compose and send. Thank you, c -----Forwarded Message----- From: Rae Abileah Sent: Sep 20, 2007 10:30 AM To: "bayareacodepinkaction at lists.riseup.net" , Bay Area Code Pink Subject: [cpaction] Fund Withdrawal Letter: Get Bay Reps to Sign On! An idea for those of you in Miller, Lantos, Farr, or Eshoo?s districts: See letter below. **** Get your Rep. to sign onto Cong. Barbara Lee, Cong. Maxine Waters, and Cong Lynn Woolsey?s letter to Bush calling for a fully funded withdrawal! Visit www.codepinkalert.org/fundwithdrawal for updates and organizing info! Dear Pinks, As you know, Congress will vote this fall on another Iraq funding bill -- this one would fund the war until the end of the Bush regime if it is passed as is. [Note: we had expected this vote to take place in September but it has been pushed back until October or November] As a precursor to the debate over funding, Representatives Lee, Woolsey, and Waters have initiated a 'showdown' letter to Bush pledging to vote against all funding for the military in Iraq except for money needed to bring all US. troops home. They sent the letter to Bush with the signatures of 69 of her colleagues in July. They want to send it again at the end of September with over 100 signatures, and, thanks to DC and grassroots lobbying efforts, there are now up to 80, including two presidential candidates (Kucinich and Paul). The mainstream media is trying to make it appear as if it is a foregone conclusion that the President will get his blank check yet again. But this fight is far from over. The more signatures we can get on this letter, the stronger the message is to Bush, and to Pelosi that Congress can and must stop funding the war and occupation of Iraq. Although the letter is addressed to Bush, it is aimed at Pelosi. We've held vigils, occupied, called, emailed and screamed at Pelosi -- now we will see if a letter from her colleagues will show her how to be tough. Our immediate goal is 100 signatures. Please do what you can?office visits, emails, calls, pubic actions, sit-ins, letters to the local newspaper, etc.--to help us get 20 more signatures on this clear and powerful letter. Who are our targets? (These targets are generally the most progressive members of congress, but a surprising number of moderates have signed the letter, so anyone is fair game.) Note: Women are listed with a *; as CODEPINK we can make a special focus on the Congresswomen to rep the women! Senate: Dodd (CT), Sanders (VT) House: California: Becerra, Miller, Farr, Lantos, Waxman, Roybal-Allard* New York: Serrano, McNulty, Slaughter* Massachusetts: Capuano, Tierney, Neal Connecticut: Larson, DeLauro* Texas: Doggett, Johnson* Other states: Brady (PA, Philly area), Udal (NM), Jefferson (LA), Oberstar (MN), Rahall (WV), Kilpatrick* (MI), Tubbs-Jones* (OH), Bordallo (Guam), Hirono (HI) Here are some great resources to help you organize: * Letter to Your Representative for a Fully-Funded Withdrawal http://www.codepinkalert.org/downloads/LettertoRepresentative.doc * Letter to Your Senator for a Fully-Funded Withdrawal http://www.codepinkalert.org/downloads/LettertoSenate.doc * Talking Points on Supporting a Fully Funded Withdrawal http://www.codepinkalert.org/downloads/Talkingpoints_fullyfundedwithdrawal.doc * Tool to send an email to members of congress http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/302/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12375 Please mark your calendar to join a conference call with Rep. Lee organized by United for Peace and Justice on Monday evening (Sept. 24). The exact time is TBA, but it will be in the neighborhood of 5:30 pacific, 8:30 eastern. Waters, Woolsey and Lee, three phenomenal female champions of peace, understand that the only thing that will stop the war in Iraq is if Congress votes to stop funding all military operations, except to remove all U.S. soldiers and contractors from Iraq on a rapid and binding timeline. This fall, Congress will vote on another $142 billion to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for FY 2008. Let's support the Lee-Waters-Woolsey effort: Ask your Representative to sign on to the letter to Bush pledging they will no longer buy his war! Visit www.codepinkalert.org/fundwithdrawal for updates and organizing info! If you have any questions about this action, please contact me at locals at codepinkalert.org or 415-994-1723. For legislative insight, you can also contact CODEPINK co-founder and co-chair of the UfPJ legislative working group Gael at gael at codepinkalert.org or 202-422-6700. Thank You for all you are doing to end this occupation! In solidarity, Rae Text of letter to Bush July 20, 2007 Dear Mr. President: We are writing to inform you that we will only support appropriating additional funds for U.S. military operations in Iraq during Fiscal Year 2008 and beyond for the protection and safe redeployment of all our troops out of Iraq before you leave office. More than 3,600 of our brave soldiers have died in Iraq. More than 26,000 have been seriously wounded. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed or injured in the hostilities and more than 4 million have been displaced from their homes. Furthermore, this conflict has degenerated into a sectarian civil war and US. taxpayers have paid more than $500 billion, despite assurances that you and your key advisors gave our nation at the time you ordered the invasion in March, 2003 that this military intervention would cost far less and be paid from Iraqi oil revenues. We agree with a clear and growing majority of the American people who are opposed to continued, open-ended U.S. military operations in Iraq, and believe it is unwise and unacceptable for you to continue to unilaterally impose these staggering costs and the soaring debt on Americans currently and for generations to come. Sincerely, 79 Democratic and Republican members of Congress: Tauscher Blumenauer Napolitano Hinojosa Delahunt Butterfield Davis (AL) McCollum Scott (GA) Oberstar DeGette Solis Hare Hodes Scott Lynch Cleaver Capps Rothman Paul Capps Holt Hinchey Watson Pastor Frank Conyers Hall Filner Rush Rangel Towns Clay Wynn Norton Maloney Nadler Honda Cohen Hastings Waters Lee Woolsey McGovern Kaptur Carson Grijalva Olver Markey Fattah Pallone Stark Moran Johnson (GA) Payne Clarke Moore Ellison Baldwin Gutierrez Cummings Velaszuez Davis (IL) Christensen Abercrombie Linda Sanchez Schakowsky Lewis (GA) Jackson Lee McDermott New additions: Jesse Jackson, Jr. Chris Murphy (Conn.) Brown (FL) Thompson (Miss.) Watt Meeks (NY) Loebsack Weiner Kucinich DeFazio If you're not fighting for our democracy, then you're part of the problem. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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(San Francisco Chronicle) http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/21/3995/ re MoveOn ad: "General Betray-Us and MoveOn.org" (Cindy Sheehan) http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/21/3988/ re Democrats in Congress: "In Search of a Congress" (New York Times Editorial) http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/21/4003/ first paragraph: If you were one of the Americans waiting for Congress, under Democratic control, to show leadership on the war in Iraq, the message from the Senate is clear: "Nevermind." The same goes for those waiting for lawmakers to fix the damage done to civil liberties by six years of President Bush and a rubber-stamp Republican Congress. and there are plenty more good articles at: http://www.commondreams.org Gerry From ANDI at WRYTOR.COM Fri Sep 21 11:19:45 2007 From: ANDI at WRYTOR.COM (Andrea Dorey) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:19:45 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Fight... References: <20070920201637.E34E91650E@randymail-mx1.g.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: <556A1299-4648-4AA1-9561-28F770B49961@WRYTOR.COM> This is what AARP members are told. AARP is fighting for "quality, affordable health care." Andrea Begin forwarded message: > From: "AARP California" > Date: September 20, 2007 8:06:13 PM PDT > To: "Andrea Dorey" > Subject: Fight for California Health Care Reform Continues > Reply-To: "AARP California" > > > > Fight for California Health Care Reform Continues > > On August 22, thousands of AARP members gathered at the State > Capitol in Sacramento to demand health care reform. > > The Governor and Legislative Leaders have made a commitment to fix > California's broken health care system. > > Now it's our job to hold them to it. > > Keep and eye out for AARP updates on how you can take action to > make sure we win the fight for quality, affordable health care. > > In the meantime, ask your friends and family members to join the > fight for health care reform. In the next few weeks, all AARP > members must let the Governor and their legislators know that: > > > AARP is committed to affordable health coverage for ALL Californians. > AARP believes that everyone - business, government and individuals > - must share in the financing of health care. > The Governor has called the legislature into special session so > they can work together to solve California's health care crisis. > > AARP is developing a plan of action, and we'll be contacting you > soon to let you know what you can do to help make sure our leaders > take action > NOW on health care. > > We can't miss this opportunity to make quality, affordable health > care a reality for all Californians. The fight for reform continues! > > It's time for all of us to demand action NOW. > > > This email was sent to you by AARP. > To ensure delivery to your inbox (not bulk or junk folders), > please add aarpca at aarp.org to your address book. > > This e-mail is being sent by the AARP California State Office, 1415 > L Street, Suite 960, > Sacramento, CA 95814. Visit us at http://www.aarp.org/ca. > > AARP is a nonprofit, nonpartisan membership organization for people > 50 and over ~ http://www.aarp.org/mission. > Join or renew your membership at http://www.aarp.org/join/. > > AARP Privacy Policy | (c)1995-2007, AARP. All rights reserved. > Click here to unsubscribe. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andid at cagreens.org Fri Sep 21 11:21:11 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:21:11 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Fight... References: <556A1299-4648-4AA1-9561-28F770B49961@WRYTOR.COM> Message-ID: <91C189F3-CCAA-4905-B269-1309C3E0BAC2@cagreens.org> Ooops. Forgot to change the account.... Begin forwarded message: > From: Andrea Dorey > Date: September 21, 2007 11:19:45 AM PDT > To: Green South Bay Discussion > Subject: Fwd: Fight... > > This is what AARP members are told. AARP is fighting for "quality, > affordable health care." > Andrea > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "AARP California" >> Date: September 20, 2007 8:06:13 PM PDT >> To: "Andrea Dorey" >> Subject: Fight for California Health Care Reform Continues >> Reply-To: "AARP California" >> >> >> >> Fight for California Health Care Reform Continues >> >> On August 22, thousands of AARP members gathered at the State >> Capitol in Sacramento to demand health care reform. >> >> The Governor and Legislative Leaders have made a commitment to fix >> California's broken health care system. >> >> Now it's our job to hold them to it. >> >> Keep and eye out for AARP updates on how you can take action to >> make sure we win the fight for quality, affordable health care. >> >> In the meantime, ask your friends and family members to join the >> fight for health care reform. In the next few weeks, all AARP >> members must let the Governor and their legislators know that: >> >> >> AARP is committed to affordable health coverage for ALL Californians. >> AARP believes that everyone - business, government and individuals >> - must share in the financing of health care. >> The Governor has called the legislature into special session so >> they can work together to solve California's health care crisis. >> >> AARP is developing a plan of action, and we'll be contacting you >> soon to let you know what you can do to help make sure our leaders >> take action >> NOW on health care. >> >> We can't miss this opportunity to make quality, affordable health >> care a reality for all Californians. The fight for reform continues! >> >> It's time for all of us to demand action NOW. >> >> >> This email was sent to you by AARP. >> To ensure delivery to your inbox (not bulk or junk folders), >> please add aarpca at aarp.org to your address book. >> >> This e-mail is being sent by the AARP California State Office, >> 1415 L Street, Suite 960, >> Sacramento, CA 95814. Visit us at http://www.aarp.org/ca. >> >> AARP is a nonprofit, nonpartisan membership organization for >> people 50 and over ~ http://www.aarp.org/mission. >> Join or renew your membership at http://www.aarp.org/join/. >> >> AARP Privacy Policy | (c)1995-2007, AARP. All rights reserved. >> Click here to unsubscribe. >> >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaisha_marie at comcast.net Fri Sep 21 12:28:36 2007 From: kaisha_marie at comcast.net (Kaisha Torres) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:28:36 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? In-Reply-To: <1298.38.99.84.36.1190315083.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: In reality, how long does an impeachment process take? I ask because I am genuinely confused about the most effective way to protest this and the possibility of war against Iran is terrifying to me. Although impeachment proceedings would certainly distract the administration from Iran, we don't yet have Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives to be turned over to the House Judiciary Committee. Once that happens, delays can occur before the vote in order to investigate the resolutions. With 487 days remaining (plenty of time to start a war) is there enough time to get into the House Judiciary and all the way through to the Senate trial? While nothing would please me more than impeachment, if it is not logistically possible, I would prefer to focus my attention on preventing another war through other means. I am curious to hear what others have to say. Stop future wars now, Kaisha -----Original Message----- From: sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org [mailto:sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org]On Behalf Of Drew Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:05 PM To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? Impeachment is needed NOW! Impeach Cheney first. Through the Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition we've been hard at work on this issue. We (Gerry and Fred, me and 2 others) met directly with Anna Eshoo last Friday on this very issue. She was in (not total, but significant) denial about the magnitude of the clear and present danger that Cheney-Bush represent particularly in regards to their intentions towards Iran. Impeach for Peace! Drew On Thu, September 20, 2007 10:02, Gerry Gras wrote: > > I keep hearing that the Bush Administration > is pushing for an attack on Iran due to its > possible nuclear activity. Considering the > fact that no WMD were found in Iran, this > administration should have 0 credibility on > this issue. > > Yet I see little action in this country in > opposition to Iran. We may see an occasional > sign at various events, but not much. > > Am I missing something? In my opinion, an > attack on Iran would be a disaster. Why is > there not more opposition? > > And if you agree that there should be more > opposition, what should be done? > > I plan to at least send more letters to my > reps. But that's not enough. > > Gerry > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Sep 21 14:31:35 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: do this from CA: Help another state with ballot access Message-ID: <3265.38.99.84.36.1190410295.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [G-C-F] do this from CA: Help another state with ballot access From: "Lisa Taylor" Date: Fri, September 21, 2007 14:11 To: gplac-forum at cagreens.org "GCF" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arkansas Ballot Access Project: 15-20 volunteers needed ASAP you don't have to be in AK, >We need people who are at least moderately familiar with Microsoft >Access. There was no other common software which could be used to pull >this off. >To: ballot-access at lists.gp-us.org >From: Phil Huckelberry >Subject: Arkansas Project: 15-20 volunteers needed ASAP > >Please forward this message to state and local lists as you deem appropriate. > >We are currently looking for 15-20 people who can devote a chunk of time - >perhaps an hour two - in the next couple of days to assist in the >concluding days of the Arkansas ballot drive. If people are capable of >devoting even more time, that would be even better. > >Volunteers will be given a web address with a login and a password, and >will be assigned one of a number of 5-page PDF files. Each page contains >up to 20 signatures from the Arkansas ballot drive. Volunteers will >download the PDFs, look at the cities where the signatures were collected, >and then download Microsoft Access files containing portions of the voter >rolls for the State of Arkansas, so that they can attempt to verify the >signatures. > >A signature is verified if you can match three out of four fields to the >voter rolls - name, address, city, and date of birth. The voter rolls are >broken down so that the 12 largest cities in the state are all separate >files, and then the rest of the cities are divided alphabetically into >eight other files. The voter rolls break addresses down into street >number, street name, and street type. Often the best bet is to sort the >list by City, Last Name, First Name, Street Address. For each of the five >sheets, the volunteer will simply return the number of signatures on the >page (usually 20, sometimes 19, sometimes less), and the number of those >signatures which were verified. > >We need people who are at least moderately familiar with Microsoft >Access. There was no other common software which could be used to pull >this off. > >I need volunteers to commit to being able to download their PDF and come >up with results for each of their sheets within about 24-36 hours of >emailing me back. I want to have this project completely knocked out on >Saturday. > >More information about the Arkansas ballot drive is included below for >everyone's reference. Please email me at this address - >phil.huckelberry at gmail.com - if you are interested in participating. Let >me know how much time you think you can offer, and also let me know if you >have extensive database experience such that you think you will be able to >work more quickly than most people; then I might assign you 2 PDF files >instead of one. > >Our hope is that if this is successful it can turn into a model for how >other drives might be assisted by out of state volunteers. By enhancing >awareness and activity in ballot drives across the country, hopefully this >can in turn lead to greater fundraising for ballot access efforts and also >to bringing some creative minds into our vital ballot access work to >assist with efforts like this. Our extensive database work in Illinois >protected our petitioning effort in 2006. We expect similar attacks from >the Democrats in 2008 - and if we can come together like this, we will be >ready to fend those attacks off. > >Phil Huckelberry >Co-Chair, Green Party of the United States >Co-Chair, GPUS Ballot Access Committee >phil.huckelberry at gmail.com> >---------- > >[the following is part of a message which was originally sent out on >Tuesday, September 18] > >The Green Party of Arkansas is currently nearing the end of a 60 day >ballot drive. Arkansas is a "floating window" state and they chose to >start their drive very early - late July 2007 - because the enhanced >availability of professional petitioners. The drive wraps up next >week. It seems like they are on pace. > >To help ensure this, though, they have a critical need for out-of- state >help to support their efforts. They are looking to have a number of >petition sheets examined for validity. They need 10,000 valid signatures >and are operating under the assumption that 16,000 raw signatures will >make them safe, but they would like to know if validity rates are dipping >below 67% and whether they might then need to scurry to collect an extra >thousand signatures in the next week. > >To this end, we have acquired the list of registered voters from the State >of Arkansas, and I have had Mark Swaney and Mark Jenkins send me copies of >some of their petition sheets. The voter list, cleaned up and then broken >down into multiple Microsoft Access files (large cities get their own >files and the remainder of the rolls are broken down alphabetically), >along with scans of 67 petition sheets, have been uploaded to a secure web >site. 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URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Sep 21 14:40:49 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1031.38.99.84.36.1190410849.squirrel@greens.org> Hey Kaisha, We have H Res 333 Impeachment of Cheney (H Res = House Resolution, as opposed to a bill which would be simply HR) already to go with 19 co-signers already. Its been available for months and if the Dems weren't such cowards they could have begun the Impeachment Inquiries long ago. Note that Cynthia McKinney also introduced articles of impeachment at the very end of her term last December when it was only a symbolic move (due to their being no time remaining in the 109th congress to process it). As for how long it takes that is extremely variable since its mostly a matter of building support for it through impeachment inquiry hearings. If the house were of such a mind they could do it in a single day. Of course they are not in this mind today, so its a hard question to answer. Mostly I've been angling all along for a replay of the Nixonian moment where the Republicans step in and inform Bush its time to resign. That's what I think will really happen if enough pressure (via impeachment inquiry hearings) is applied. Green is Peace! Drew On Fri, September 21, 2007 12:28, Kaisha Torres wrote: > In reality, how long does an impeachment process take? I ask because I am > genuinely confused about the most effective way to protest this and the > possibility of war against Iran is terrifying to me. Although impeachment > proceedings would certainly distract the administration from Iran, we > don't > yet have > Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives to > be turned over to the House Judiciary Committee. Once that happens, delays > can occur before the vote in order to investigate the resolutions. With > 487 > days remaining (plenty of time to start a war) is there enough time to get > into the House Judiciary and all the way through to the Senate trial? > While > nothing would please me more than impeachment, if it is not logistically > possible, I would prefer to focus my attention on preventing another war > through other means. I am curious to hear what others have to say. > > Stop future wars now, > Kaisha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org > [mailto:sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org]On Behalf Of Drew Johnson > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:05 PM > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? > > > Impeachment is needed NOW! Impeach Cheney first. Through the Silicon > Valley Impeachment Coalition we've been hard at work on this issue. We > (Gerry and Fred, me and 2 others) met directly with Anna Eshoo last Friday > on this very issue. She was in (not total, but significant) denial about > the magnitude of the clear and present danger that Cheney-Bush represent > particularly in regards to their intentions towards Iran. > > > Impeach for Peace! > > Drew > > > On Thu, September 20, 2007 10:02, Gerry Gras wrote: >> >> I keep hearing that the Bush Administration >> is pushing for an attack on Iran due to its >> possible nuclear activity. Considering the >> fact that no WMD were found in Iran, this >> administration should have 0 credibility on >> this issue. >> >> Yet I see little action in this country in >> opposition to Iran. We may see an occasional >> sign at various events, but not much. >> >> Am I missing something? In my opinion, an >> attack on Iran would be a disaster. Why is >> there not more opposition? >> >> And if you agree that there should be more >> opposition, what should be done? >> >> I plan to at least send more letters to my >> reps. But that's not enough. >> >> Gerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > > -- > JamBoi > http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 > "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to > social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's > American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to > lead the way in Peaceableness." > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From andid at cagreens.org Fri Sep 21 15:35:20 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:35:20 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? In-Reply-To: <1031.38.99.84.36.1190410849.squirrel@greens.org> References: <1031.38.99.84.36.1190410849.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <6D9CA61E-B4C6-4CB6-926F-06CE3A729F97@cagreens.org> I think it will take making it very costly NOT to do the right thing. A campaign that makes it clear that there will be a huge price to pay. What price??? It will have to be a deep attack on the two major parties because it's clear that it's not just the Republicans who are refusing to impeach or to hire an independent prosecutor. And it seems to be unthinkable to all, including most Greens, to vote up and down the ballot for Third Party only! How can we the people win otherwise? I'd like to hear from others if they have an idea for a more powerful attack on the status quo. Andrea On Sep 21, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Drew Johnson wrote: > Hey Kaisha, > > We have H Res 333 Impeachment of Cheney (H Res = House Resolution, as > opposed to a bill which would be simply HR) already to go with 19 > co-signers already. Its been available for months and if the Dems > weren't > such cowards they could have begun the Impeachment Inquiries long ago. > Note that Cynthia McKinney also introduced articles of impeachment > at the > very end of her term last December when it was only a symbolic move > (due > to their being no time remaining in the 109th congress to process it). > > As for how long it takes that is extremely variable since its mostly a > matter of building support for it through impeachment inquiry > hearings. > If the house were of such a mind they could do it in a single day. Of > course they are not in this mind today, so its a hard question to > answer. > > Mostly I've been angling all along for a replay of the Nixonian moment > where the Republicans step in and inform Bush its time to resign. > That's > what I think will really happen if enough pressure (via impeachment > inquiry hearings) is applied. > > > Green is Peace! > > Drew > > > On Fri, September 21, 2007 12:28, Kaisha Torres wrote: >> In reality, how long does an impeachment process take? I ask >> because I am >> genuinely confused about the most effective way to protest this >> and the >> possibility of war against Iran is terrifying to me. Although >> impeachment >> proceedings would certainly distract the administration from Iran, we >> don't >> yet have >> Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of >> Representatives to >> be turned over to the House Judiciary Committee. Once that >> happens, delays >> can occur before the vote in order to investigate the resolutions. >> With >> 487 >> days remaining (plenty of time to start a war) is there enough >> time to get >> into the House Judiciary and all the way through to the Senate trial? >> While >> nothing would please me more than impeachment, if it is not >> logistically >> possible, I would prefer to focus my attention on preventing >> another war >> through other means. I am curious to hear what others have to say. >> >> Stop future wars now, >> Kaisha >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org >> [mailto:sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org]On Behalf Of Drew >> Johnson >> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:05 PM >> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? >> >> >> Impeachment is needed NOW! Impeach Cheney first. Through the >> Silicon >> Valley Impeachment Coalition we've been hard at work on this >> issue. We >> (Gerry and Fred, me and 2 others) met directly with Anna Eshoo >> last Friday >> on this very issue. She was in (not total, but significant) >> denial about >> the magnitude of the clear and present danger that Cheney-Bush >> represent >> particularly in regards to their intentions towards Iran. >> >> >> Impeach for Peace! >> >> Drew >> >> >> On Thu, September 20, 2007 10:02, Gerry Gras wrote: >>> >>> I keep hearing that the Bush Administration >>> is pushing for an attack on Iran due to its >>> possible nuclear activity. Considering the >>> fact that no WMD were found in Iran, this >>> administration should have 0 credibility on >>> this issue. >>> >>> Yet I see little action in this country in >>> opposition to Iran. We may see an occasional >>> sign at various events, but not much. >>> >>> Am I missing something? In my opinion, an >>> attack on Iran would be a disaster. Why is >>> there not more opposition? >>> >>> And if you agree that there should be more >>> opposition, what should be done? >>> >>> I plan to at least send more letters to my >>> reps. But that's not enough. >>> >>> Gerry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>> >> >> >> -- >> JamBoi >> http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 >> "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set >> similar to >> social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in >> today's >> American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties >> need to >> lead the way in Peaceableness." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> > > > -- > JamBoi > http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 > "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set > similar to > social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's > American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties > need to > lead the way in Peaceableness." > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Sep 21 23:21:16 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: GPCA position on electoral votes by congressional district??? Message-ID: <1574.38.99.84.36.1190442076.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [gpus-del] [G-C-F] Fwd: GPCA position on electoral votes by congressional district??? From: "Dana Silvernale" Date: Fri, September 21, 2007 22:13 To: "Delegates from GPCA to GPUS" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I fully agree with Susan. In addition, I am opposed to any winner-take-all system, whether by state or by congressional district. Neither represents the diversity of the people. I would like to see proportional representation based in grassroots participatory democracy. There are excellent models for that in practice in South America. A description of one such model is in a book recommended to me by Noam Chomsky, Lula and the Workers' Party. The book also does a good job of describing how to build a base of support for a party seeking to challenge the parties in power. Dana Silvernale Humboldt Green Party On Sep 21, 2007, at 4:23 PM, funking at mindspring.com wrote: > I sent out a query a few weeks ago about this, after getting a > media call wanting our reaction. > > The points I made were: > > 1) This does nothing to promote Green party backed election > reforms, such as the implementation of Ranked Choice Voting and > Proportional Representation; > > 2) A possible negative effect on the CA GP would be the spreading > of the spoiler issue around the presidential race to the > Congressional District level, which COULD impact our ability to run > successful local campaigns and win (in other words, people would > not vote for local Greens if they were pissed off/scared about the > Presidential candidate potentially 'spoiling' the race their home > Congressional district). > > 3) Republicans are already over represented in both Federal houses, > due to the fact that many red states are sparsley populated and > each Congresperson represents far fewer voters than those in large > states. In CA and NY, Congres folk represent upwards of a million > constituents per district, compared with a few hundred thousand in > places like WY. We need a system that accurately reflects the > electorate, including representation for independent and third > party voters. > > 4) Retooling our Electoral College is a good idea, but this measure > does not overhaul the entire system, and focuses only on the > nations largest state. Greens support a complete electoral reform > program, not a piece-meal project that does not address the > disparities faced by third parties. > > In short, I spoke against this measure. We do not have a fully > fleshed out position yet, but the above talking points may be a > good place to start. I will contact Steven Hill and others at the > Center for Voting and Democracy to see if they have any other > salient points. > > peace, > ssuan > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Drew Johnson >> Sent: Sep 21, 2007 3:01 PM >> To: gpus-del at lists.cagreens.org, cal-forum at marla.cagreens.org >> Subject: [G-C-F] Fwd: GPCA position on electoral votes by >> congressional district??? >> >> Carl Romanelli, 2006 U.S. Senate candidate of the GP of PA asks the >> question of the GPCA: >> >> What is the California Green Party position (if any) regarding the >> proposal to award electoral votes by congressional district, >> rather than >> winner take all? I really like the congressional district idea, as >> I see >> it as a way for >> Greens to gain electoral votes with the right candidate. >> >> I am aware of the Dems fear tactics {on this issus} and we SHOULD >> scare >> them. We should work for our goals, not theirs. After the clear and >> distinct pattern of Dems working to destroy us, we should not care >> that >> they may not elect their corporate candidate. If California is >> successful >> in gaining electoral votes for Greens, we can then make the case >> for CD >> based propositions in other states. At least awarding by CD is >> somewhat >> proportional. Further, it may turn out that the Green electors from >> California are the ones who decide who the next president will >> be. That >> would be a great accomplishment for the party. I really want the >> Democrats to be afraid of us. Passing this in California would >> really >> freak them out. That would be cool with me. Maybe then they would >> stop >> kicking us. Worse still is when we let them. >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------- Original Message >> ---------------------------- >> Subject: Re: California Question >> From: "Carl Romanelli" >> Date: Fri, September 21, 2007 14:34 >> To: "Drew Johnson" >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> >> Yes, please forward the question. I am aware of the Dems fear >> tactics and >> we SHOULD scare them. We should work for our goals, not theirs. >> After >> the clear and distinct pattern of Dems working to destroy us, we >> should >> not care that they may not elect their corporate candidate. If >> California >> is successful in gaining electoral votes for Greens, we can then >> make the >> case for CD based propositions in other states. At least awarding >> by CD >> is somewhat proportional. Further, it may turn out that the Green >> electors from California are the ones who decide who the next >> president >> will be. That would be a great accomplishment for the party. I >> really >> want the Democrats to be afraid of us. Passing this in California >> would >> really freak them out. That would be cool with me. Maybe then >> they would >> stop kicking us. Worse still is when we let them. Thanks for your >> help, >> Drew. >> Blessings and love, >> Carl >> >> Drew Johnson wrote: >> Hey Carl, >> >> Personally I like the idea especially if it were applied in >> several of the >> large states simultaneously, but I have to say there's been a LOT of >> Dmocratic fear mongering about it in this state. I don't really >> know what >> the thoughts of the delegation are on that. I'd be willing to forward >> your question on to the delegation if you want me to. Do you want >> me to? >> >> >> Green is Connection! >> >> Drew >> >> >> On Fri, September 21, 2007 12:41, Carl Romanelli wrote: >>> Hi Drew, >>> Quick question, if you can answer it: What is the California Green >>> Party position (if any) regarding the proposal to award electoral >>> votes by congressional district, rather than winner take all? >>> I really like the congressional district idea, as I see it as a >>> way for >>> Greens to gain electoral votes with the right candidate. >>> Thanks if you can help. Actually, thanks even if you can't help. >>> Peace, >>> Carl > > _______________________________________________ > gpus-del mailing list > gpus-del at lists.cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpus-del > http://cagreens.org/delegates/ > > Have You Hugged Your Delegate Today? _______________________________________________ gpus-del mailing list gpus-del at lists.cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpus-del http://cagreens.org/delegates/ Have You Hugged Your Delegate Today? -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Sat Sep 22 10:53:20 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] EV forward Message-ID: <2086.38.99.84.36.1190483600.squirrel@greens.org> Kalmran, It just so happens that last night the East Valley Greens (a new Local we are building in Santa Clara Co) showed "Who Killed the Electric Car" at the San Jose Peace Center. It was well attended (I forgot to count, but would estimate about 30+ attendees). In addition to paying back the Peace Center for the use of the center and raising people's consciousness about EVs it also raised about $60 for the Green Party of Santa Clara Co! Rob Means was our Facilitator for a discussion afterwards. Rob is extremely familiar with the whole EV movement. He's a Green who sells EV bikes and scooters (see his fabulously detailed informational web site at http://www.electric-bikes.com/betterbikes/wheretobuy.html ). Also he is leading a 'World Cafe'-style gathering he's dubbed 'Democracy Cafe' early next year in Milpitas. Rob brought up some interesting info about the Personal Rapid Transit (PRT) movement also last night. I hope he might do a program on it sometime that would bring our more detail about this move to use small, light vehicles on automated elevated rail. Green is Connection! Drew On Sat, September 22, 2007 02:24, Kalmran Alavi wrote: > I recommend the movie "Who Killed The Electric Car" for all who have not > seen it. > It would also be a good one to take your, non-green friends and family > to see. > > I have an electric pedal assist bicycle and it is excellent. > But the bottleneck, to its becoming a real commuter vehicle, does happen > to be the weight of cumbersome batteries. Mine are 26 pounds; they feel > heavier than the bicycle they are on (an old Fuji mountainbike, I don't > know the weight). Add to that, the fact that they would tempt thieves > and that I would scare myself more than anyone else if I carried them > with me into any store or office, to prevent theft... I am discouraged > from using it more than I have. When I started with it, I would get 30 > miles on a charge. But because using it made bicycling so easy (it is > only 600 Watts; a horsepower is 748 watts) I got into better shape and > can go mcuh longer on a charge. A small solar panel, charges it in 3-6 > hours. But you can also charge by pedalling. > > But as the movie shows there are present technologies, shelved and > locked, than can give electric cars a much higher range (distance > traveled on one charge) than a tank of gass of equivalent weight. > > I'll grant you though, lead acid, cumbersome, heavy, and polluting as > is, can be employed usefully, to reduce some of the present pollution. > Besides the Electric Vehicles developed now, and operated on lead acid > batteries will easily take other more advanced batteries as they become > available. I am anxious to get better batteries for my bicycle. there is > a guy here who has the same motor I have, on a recumbent bicycle. He has > made a trailer to carry 3 deep cycle batteries (the motor is 36 volts). > so he can drive to eternity on one charge. > > There also cars that run on compressed air. > aircompressors are very simple machines. Just lke a bicycle pump, they > can be one cylinder, one piston and the motive force can come from a > windmill or any alternative source that is locally available. > > A regular gass station, in windy areas, can be retrofitted to have a > windmill and compress air. Refilling your car would be as easy as adding > airpressure to your tires. > > If you are interested in such issues, please consider joining Green > Issues Working Group. > The topics discussed can be wide ranging from alternative energy, to > alternative building methods, to restorative justice and racial and > gender equality.... > SNIP > Kamran > > garden beekeeper wrote: > > GM Vice Chair Lutz won't allow anyone to ask the hard questions, such as > why not use lead acid > batteries in the supposed Chevy Volt. -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From alexcathy at aol.com Sat Sep 22 13:02:12 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:02:12 -0400 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GPCA position on electoral votes by congressional district??? In-Reply-To: <1574.38.99.84.36.1190442076.squirrel@greens.org> References: <1574.38.99.84.36.1190442076.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <8C9CB6A9980605D-1A4-37C0@Webmail-mg05.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, Bob Herbert has a column in the New York Times today about this very question.? He says it could be the "Bush v Gore" of 2008.? I confess, my knee-jerk reaction was to join the Democrats and oppose this measure as yet another power grab by the Rethugs.? But then, after reading these e-mails, I had second thoughts.? Why should Greens help bailout the damned California Democrats?? What's in it for us? Some how or the other we should make it plain we want proportional representation across the board.? Who knows.? Maybe the Republicans will want to deal.? I would not have said this sis years ago but now I don't give a damn about bringing some pain to the California Democrats.? It means California will no longer be a "safe state" for Green presidential candidates, but since all of y'all ridicule the "Safe States" strategy anyway, it should not matter.? Alex Walker -----Original Message----- From: Drew Johnson To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:21 pm Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: GPCA position on electoral votes by congressional district??? ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [gpus-del] [G-C-F] Fwd: GPCA position on electoral votes by congressional district??? From: "Dana Silvernale" Date: Fri, September 21, 2007 22:13 To: "Delegates from GPCA to GPUS" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I fully agree with Susan. In addition, I am opposed to any winner-take-all system, whether by state or by congressional district. Neither represents the diversity of the people. I would like to see proportional representation based in grassroots participatory democracy. There are excellent models for that in practice in South America. A description of one such model is in a book recommended to me by Noam Chomsky, Lula and the Workers' Party. The book also does a good job of describing how to build a base of support for a party seeking to challenge the parties in power. Dana Silvernale Humboldt Green Party On Sep 21, 2007, at 4:23 PM, funking at mindspring.com wrote: > I sent out a query a few weeks ago about this, after getting a > media call wanting our reaction. > > The points I made were: > > 1) This does nothing to promote Green party backed election > reforms, such as the implementation of Ranked Choice Voting and > Proportional Representation; > > 2) A possible negative effect on the CA GP would be the spreading > of the spoiler issue around the presidential race to the > Congressional District level, which COULD impact our ability to run > successful local campaigns and win (in other words, people would > not vote for local Greens if they were pissed off/scared about the > Presidential candidate potentially 'spoiling' the race their home > Congressional district). > > 3) Republicans are already over represented in both Federal houses, > due to the fact that many red states are sparsley populated and > each Congresperson represents far fewer voters than those in large > states. In CA and NY, Congres folk represent upwards of a million > constituents per district, compared with a few hundred thousand in > places like WY. We need a system that accurately reflects the > electorate, including representation for independent and third > party voters. > > 4) Retooling our Electoral College is a good idea, but this measure > does not overhaul the entire system, and focuses only on the > nations largest state. Greens support a complete electoral reform > program, not a piece-meal project that does not address the > disparities faced by third parties. > > In short, I spoke against this measure. We do not have a fully > fleshed out position yet, but the above talking points may be a > good place to start. I will contact Steven Hill and others at the > Center for Voting and Democracy to see if they have any other > salient points. > > peace, > ssuan > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Drew Johnson >> Sent: Sep 21, 2007 3:01 PM >> To: gpus-del at lists.cagreens.org, cal-forum at marla.cagreens.org >> Subject: [G-C-F] Fwd: GPCA position on electoral votes by >> congressional district??? >> >> Carl Romanelli, 2006 U.S. Senate candidate of the GP of PA asks the >> question of the GPCA: >> >> What is the California Green Party position (if any) regarding the >> proposal to award electoral votes by congressional district, >> rather than >> winner take all? I really like the congressional district idea, as >> I see >> it as a way for >> Greens to gain electoral votes with the right candidate. >> >> I am aware of the Dems fear tactics {on this issus} and we SHOULD >> scare >> them. We should work for our goals, not theirs. After the clear and >> distinct pattern of Dems working to destroy us, we should not care >> that >> they may not elect their corporate candidate. If California is >> successful >> in gaining electoral votes for Greens, we can then make the case >> for CD >> based propositions in other states. At least awarding by CD is >> somewhat >> proportional. Further, it may turn out that the Green electors from >> California are the ones who decide who the next president will >> be. That >> would be a great accomplishment for the party. I really want the >> Democrats to be afraid of us. Passing this in California would >> really >> freak them out. That would be cool with me. Maybe then they would >> stop >> kicking us. Worse still is when we let them. >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------- Original Message >> ---------------------------- >> Subject: Re: California Question >> From: "Carl Romanelli" >> Date: Fri, September 21, 2007 14:34 >> To: "Drew Johnson" >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> >> Yes, please forward the question. I am aware of the Dems fear >> tactics and >> we SHOULD scare them. We should work for our goals, not theirs. >> After >> the clear and distinct pattern of Dems working to destroy us, we >> should >> not care that they may not elect their corporate candidate. If >> California >> is successful in gaining electoral votes for Greens, we can then >> make the >> case for CD based propositions in other states. At least awarding >> by CD >> is somewhat proportional. Further, it may turn out that the Green >> electors from California are the ones who decide who the next >> president >> will be. That would be a great accomplishment for the party. I >> really >> want the Democrats to be afraid of us. Passing this in California >> would >> really freak them out. That would be cool with me. Maybe then >> they would >> stop kicking us. Worse still is when we let them. Thanks for your >> help, >> Drew. >> Blessings and love, >> Carl >> >> Drew Johnson wrote: >> Hey Carl, >> >> Personally I like the idea especially if it were applied in >> several of the >> large states simultaneously, but I have to say there's been a LOT of >> Dmocratic fear mongering about it in this state. I don't really >> know what >> the thoughts of the delegation are on that. I'd be willing to forward >> your question on to the delegation if you want me to. Do you want >> me to? >> >> >> Green is Connection! >> >> Drew >> >> >> On Fri, September 21, 2007 12:41, Carl Romanelli wrote: >>> Hi Drew, >>> Quick question, if you can answer it: What is the California Green >>> Party position (if any) regarding the proposal to award electoral >>> votes by congressional district, rather than winner take all? >>> I really like the congressional district idea, as I see it as a >>> way for >>> Greens to gain electoral votes with the right candidate. >>> Thanks if you can help. Actually, thanks even if you can't help. >>> Peace, >>> Carl > > _______________________________________________ > gpus-del mailing list > gpus-del at lists.cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpus-del > http://cagreens.org/delegates/ > > Have You Hugged Your Delegate Today? _______________________________________________ gpus-del mailing list gpus-del at lists.cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpus-del http://cagreens.org/delegates/ Have You Hugged Your Delegate Today? -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcathy at aol.com Sat Sep 22 15:45:56 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:45:56 -0400 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] district size and voting, etc In-Reply-To: References: <1574.38.99.84.36.1190442076.squirrel@greens.org> <8C9CB6A9980605D-1A4-37C0@Webmail-mg05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9CB817906964B-2C4-3D99@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Some people may be confusing the overrepresentation of Red states in the U.S. Senate with overrepresentation in the U.S. House.? Thanks to the Constitutional rule for alloting 2 senators for every state, Dick Cheney's beloved Wyoming has the same representation as California.? Alex Walker ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andid at cagreens.org Sat Sep 22 17:53:41 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:53:41 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The only PhD to reach the White House had advice for us today... Message-ID: <586A12C3-0DCA-41D1-81FF-CAAE25777D56@cagreens.org> The only PhD ever to reach the White House was a public intellectual and genuine reformer who understood what a major battleground higher education was. He learned what the political struggle was about while a professor and later the president of Princeton, where he lost his share of institutional battles with wealthy alumni who largely controlled the university?s development, and the nation beyond. In his forgotten political testament The New Freedom (1913), Wilson took up something of the ancient, critical task of the public intellectual, a fact all the more remarkable in that he was president at the time. Louis Brandeis, the people?s lawyer, was his inspiration and the source of this vision, but Wilson stood for it, right there at the center of power. ?Don?t deceive yourselves for a moment as to the power of the great interests which now dominate our development.? ?No matter that there are men in this country big enough to own the government of the United States. They are going to own it if they can.? But ?there is no salvation,? he said, ?in the pitiful condescensions of industrial masters. Guardians have no place in a land of freemen. Prosperity guaranteed by trustees has no prospect of endurance.? From his stand came progressive income taxation, the federal estate tax, tariff reform, and a resolute spirit ?to deal with the new and subtle tyrannies according to their deserts.? Wilson described his reformism in plain English no one could fail to understand: ?The laws of this country do not prevent the strong from crushing the weak.? That was true in 1800, it was true in 1860, in 1892, in 1912, and 1932; it was true in 1964, and it is true today. We have often been pressed to the limit, the promise of the Declaration and the ideals of the Gettysburg Address ignored or trampled upon and our common interests brought low. But every time there came a great wave of reform, and I believe one is coming again... Bill Moyers Discovering What Democracy Means February 12, 2007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Sun Sep 23 01:19:53 2007 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:19:53 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F621A9.9090304@aceweb.com> I notice that they went from sword brandishing on Iraq to actually attacking in much less than two years. For contrast they seem to talk endlessly about attacking Iran but nothing happens. I think attacking Iran would be dumb, but Bush has done other dumb things. Regardless of the Administrations plans for Iran, they have committed war crimes. Impeachment is a good start on stopping that. Impeachment really takes only a few weeks to really set up. The problem is that it also takes political will. How do we convince the incumbents they need to impeach to keep their own seats? It baffles me. I'm listening for good ideas. What have I done lately? Last week I got a stack of those "Impeach Cheney first" bills that Carol had made. I'm learning how to work them into talking to people. Hopefully I can make a few Congress critters phones ring a few times before too much time passes. On the make the incumbents feel a cold wind front: Cindy Shehan seems to be gearing up for a run against Pelosi. If you have any bright ideas about how to get San Francisco to vote for her those would be good to. What encourages me is that she is planing to run a DTS campaign, meaning not as a Republicrat by any stretch of the imagination. Tian Kaisha Torres wrote: > In reality, how long does an impeachment process take? I ask because I am > genuinely confused about the most effective way to protest this and the > possibility of war against Iran is terrifying to me. Although impeachment > proceedings would certainly distract the administration from Iran, we don't > yet have > Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives to > be turned over to the House Judiciary Committee. Once that happens, delays > can occur before the vote in order to investigate the resolutions. With 487 > days remaining (plenty of time to start a war) is there enough time to get > into the House Judiciary and all the way through to the Senate trial? While > nothing would please me more than impeachment, if it is not logistically > possible, I would prefer to focus my attention on preventing another war > through other means. I am curious to hear what others have to say. > > Stop future wars now, > Kaisha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org > [mailto:sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org]On Behalf Of Drew Johnson > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:05 PM > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? > > > Impeachment is needed NOW! Impeach Cheney first. Through the Silicon > Valley Impeachment Coalition we've been hard at work on this issue. We > (Gerry and Fred, me and 2 others) met directly with Anna Eshoo last Friday > on this very issue. She was in (not total, but significant) denial about > the magnitude of the clear and present danger that Cheney-Bush represent > particularly in regards to their intentions towards Iran. > > > Impeach for Peace! > > Drew > > > On Thu, September 20, 2007 10:02, Gerry Gras wrote: >> I keep hearing that the Bush Administration >> is pushing for an attack on Iran due to its >> possible nuclear activity. Considering the >> fact that no WMD were found in Iran, this >> administration should have 0 credibility on >> this issue. >> >> Yet I see little action in this country in >> opposition to Iran. We may see an occasional >> sign at various events, but not much. >> >> Am I missing something? In my opinion, an >> attack on Iran would be a disaster. Why is >> there not more opposition? >> >> And if you agree that there should be more >> opposition, what should be done? >> >> I plan to at least send more letters to my >> reps. But that's not enough. >> >> Gerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > > -- > JamBoi > http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 > "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to > social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's > American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to > lead the way in Peaceableness." > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Now running on Etch, a more recent version of KDE Linux than Sarge. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Sep 23 10:35:10 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:35:10 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Feinstein: Symbol of A Bush-Enabling Beltway Democrat" Message-ID: <46F6A3CE.4080207@earthlink.net> from Salon.com: Feinstein: Symbol of A Bush-Enabling Beltway Democrat Gerry From andid at cagreens.org Sun Sep 23 11:08:52 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:08:52 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Comment of Interest from AlterNet Headlines Message-ID: <9447CD55-04FC-4E34-80AF-2C08F851AB7C@cagreens.org> I found this comment interesting. It was posted in the comment section in response to "Why Can't the U.S. Have the Debate about Naomi Klein's Book That Europe Has?" The book: "The Shock Doctrine - The Rise of Disaster Capitalism." ...progressives are guilty of voting against their own interests as well. Nearly every Dem is mainstream, which means to the right of center, except Kucinich. A long-term approach to change would mean voting for the candidate who best serves our interests, the American people's interests, even if it means losing a few elections. I have heard all the arguments against voting for "fringe candidates," and they are all short-term solutions to the long-term problem of change. We have to live our beliefs NOW, and vote our convictions, not in some future election. If every progressive and liberal voted for Kucinich or a Nader or Green Party candidate, change will come sooner, not later. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Sep 23 15:23:56 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:23:56 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Feinstein: Symbol of A Bush-Enabling Beltway Democrat" References: <46F6A3CE.4080207@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <46F6E77C.9070601@earthlink.net> Oops, the web page is: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/23/4035/ Gerry From fredd at freeshell.org Sun Sep 23 15:21:55 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:21:55 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46F6E703.2050008@freeshell.org> In addition to Tian's response to Kaisha's concern that Impeachment would use up time and energy needed to head off a U.S. attack on Iran, I think impeachment would do more to deter the possibility of attacking Iran than to weaken the opposition to attacking. By allowing Bush and Cheney,the House Republicans and some Democrats the convenience of not having to contend with the "crimes and misdemeanors" hanging over the administration's head, would be playing into the hands of their "Attack Iran" strategy. When the mountains of impeachment evidence is laid out for Congress and the country to behold, a try for a pre-emptive attack would grease the skids. That is, of course, if the Democrats have the guts to impeach and to vote "no" to starting a war with Iran. Just as important, impeachment is a matter of Constitutional principle to bring Cheney and Bush to justice. Allowing them to go free of the charges would be a very dangerous precedent that would weaken the legislative and judicial branches while adding too much power to the executive branch. The drafters of the Constitution had experienced unbridled executive power and foresaw the possibility of attempts in future U.S, governments. In some ways, authoritarian government is already in effect. Let's not wait until after the '08 elections to deal with it. Fred I notice that they went from sword brandishing on Iraq to actually attacking in much less than two years. For contrast they seem to talk endlessly about attacking Iran but nothing happens. I think attacking Iran would be dumb, but Bush has done other dumb things. Regardless of the Administrations plans for Iran, they have committed war crimes. Impeachment is a good start on stopping that. Impeachment really takes only a few weeks to really set up. The problem is that it also takes political will. How do we convince the incumbents they need to impeach to keep their own seats? It baffles me. I'm listening for good ideas. What have I done lately? Last week I got a stack of those "Impeach Cheney first" bills that Carol had made. I'm learning how to work them into talking to people. Hopefully I can make a few Congress critters phones ring a few times before too much time passes. On the make the incumbents feel a cold wind front: Cindy Shehan seems to be gearing up for a run against Pelosi. If you have any bright ideas about how to get San Francisco to vote for her those would be good to. What encourages me is that she is planing to run a DTS campaign, meaning not as a Republicrat by any stretch of the imagination. Tian Kaisha Torres wrote: > In reality, how long does an impeachment process take? I ask because I am > genuinely confused about the most effective way to protest this and the > possibility of war against Iran is terrifying to me. Although impeachment > proceedings would certainly distract the administration from Iran, we don't > yet have > Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives to > be turned over to the House Judiciary Committee. Once that happens, delays > can occur before the vote in order to investigate the resolutions. With 487 > days remaining (plenty of time to start a war) is there enough time to get > into the House Judiciary and all the way through to the Senate trial? While > nothing would please me more than impeachment, if it is not logistically > possible, I would prefer to focus my attention on preventing another war > through other means. I am curious to hear what others have to say. > > Stop future wars now, > Kaisha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org > [mailto:sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org]On Behalf Of Drew Johnson > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:05 PM > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? > > > Impeachment is needed NOW! Impeach Cheney first. Through the Silicon > Valley Impeachment Coalition we've been hard at work on this issue. We > (Gerry and Fred, me and 2 others) met directly with Anna Eshoo last Friday > on this very issue. She was in (not total, but significant) denial about > the magnitude of the clear and present danger that Cheney-Bush represent > particularly in regards to their intentions towards Iran. > > > Impeach for Peace! > > Drew > > > On Thu, September 20, 2007 10:02, Gerry Gras wrote: >> I keep hearing that the Bush Administration >> is pushing for an attack on Iran due to its >> possible nuclear activity. Considering the >> fact that no WMD were found in Iran, this >> administration should have 0 credibility on >> this issue. >> >> Yet I see little action in this country in >> opposition to Iran. We may see an occasional >> sign at various events, but not much. >> >> Am I missing something? In my opinion, an >> attack on Iran would be a disaster. Why is >> there not more opposition? >> >> And if you agree that there should be more >> opposition, what should be done? >> >> I plan to at least send more letters to my >> reps. But that's not enough. >> >> Gerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > > -- > JamBoi > http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 > "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to > social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's > American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to > lead the way in Peaceableness." > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Now running on Etch, a more recent version of KDE Linux than Sarge. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Sun Sep 23 21:02:50 2007 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (cls at truffula.sj.ca.us) Date: 24 Sep 2007 04:02:50 -0000 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] leak on a game show. Message-ID: <20070924040250.23263.qmail@truffula.sj.ca.us> I'm watching a game show where contestants guess a percentage of Americans answering yes or no on some survey question. Question was "what percentage of Americans think it's important to stay in Iraq and finish the job they started?" Emcee added an aside, "how many Americans even know what the job *is*?" Answer was 11%. If an evening news show had commissioned that survey, they wouldn't have reported it. Cameron From michele at micheleryan.com Sun Sep 23 21:29:56 2007 From: michele at micheleryan.com (Michele Ryan) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:29:56 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] leak on a game show. In-Reply-To: <20070924040250.23263.qmail@truffula.sj.ca.us> Message-ID: I had heard about this before it aired. Drew Carey, the host, was on Bill Maher's HBO show and mentioned the result. He was shocked that even though the question was skewed a bit to get a higher "yes" number [the "finish the job they started" part], they *STILL* only got 11% "yes." --Michele > > I'm watching a game show where contestants guess a percentage of > Americans answering yes or no on some survey question. > Question was "what percentage of Americans think it's important > to stay in Iraq and finish the job they started?" > Emcee added an aside, "how many Americans even know what > the job *is*?" > Answer was 11%. If an evening news show had commissioned > that survey, they wouldn't have reported it. > > Cameron > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From andid at cagreens.org Mon Sep 24 09:12:59 2007 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:12:59 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Another Interesting View From AlterNet for GP Consideration Message-ID: <60313CFB-0BC8-4067-A90F-9DFF11DB1F84@cagreens.org> From "Why Does Everyone Bow Down to the Health Insurance Industry?" by Barbara Ehrenreich. The following is a thoughtful comment from "peacelf" who vows to vote for Kucinich or the Green Party presidential candidate: But, if voting percentages are correct, candidates like Kucinich don't have a chance because, just as our Democratic candidates are weak or afraid to take on the health insurance industry, so are the "liberals" weak and afraid to take on the political party candidates by voting their consciences rather than the lesser of two evils. Look, I'm not taunting liberals or progressives to get them to vote for Kucinich,but this problem with voting against one's interests has got to be addressed. I have heard liberals themselves explain how the media manipulates our choices, how big business manipulates our choices, how campaign finance manipulates our choices. If we know the rich and powerful are forcing cards on us, why don't liberals pick a different card? If all the liberals and progressives voted their consciences, rather than the media-manipulated "popular" candidates, then we would make a statement that would reverberate throughout the DNC. They would have to take notice if 1/3 or 1/2 of Dem voters voted for a Kucinich. It takes great strength of character to vote for a "fringe" candidate, the same strength it took blacks in the civil rights movement, except the only people getting hurt in the struggle are the uninsured. And, they already are hurting. But, they'd hurt less if they thought the party that's supposed to care for them was trying to change things. He sure makes sense to me. Andrea -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MARKETPOIN at aol.com Mon Sep 24 12:44:31 2007 From: MARKETPOIN at aol.com (MARKETPOIN at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:44:31 EDT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Tuolumne River Update Message-ID: In a message dated 9/24/2007 12:26:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pdrekmeier at earthlink.net writes: > Dear Friends, > > > Many thanks to all of you who attended the SFPUC hearings on the draft > Program Environmental Impact Report (PEIR) for the Water System Improvement > Program (WSIP). The vast majority of those who spoke ? more than 90% ? favored > the $4.3 billion seismic upgrades to the Hetch Hetchy water system, but > expressed serious concerns about the proposal to divert an additional 25 million > gallons of water per day from the Tuolumne River. > > > The public has until October 1 to submit written comments, and it would be > great if you could participate. I've attached a sample letter and some > talking points for your review. > > > Also, please consider making a donation to the Tuolumne River Trust at > http://www.tuolumne.org/content/article.php/donate > > > Write a Letter > > > Please write a letter encouraging San Francisco to protect the Tuolumne > River by pursuing water conservation and recycling rather than increasing water > diversion. Insist on a sustainable water plan that will protect our watersheds > in the Bay Area and Sierras. > > > Submit letters to: > > > Paul Maltzer, Environmental Review Officer > San Francisco Planning Department > 1650 Mission Street, Suite 400 > San Francisco, CA 94103 > > > Send emails to: wsip.peir.comments at gmail.com > > > Sample Letter > > (Date) > > > Paul Maltzer, Environmental Review Officer > San Francisco Planning Department > 1650 Mission Street, Suite 400 > San Francisco, CA 94103 > > > Dear Mr. Maltzer: > > > Your environmental review of the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission's > plan to take more water from the Tuolumne River fails to adequately identify > and address all of the environmental impacts to the River. I urge you to > undertake additional studies before finalizing this document. > > > I support the alternatives identified in your draft document that protect > the Tuolumne River from new diversions. Requiring more water conservation, > efficiency, and recycling is the best way to lessen impacts on the Tuolumne > River while promoting a sustainable water plan for the Bay Area. > > > Only by ensuring that healthy amounts of water continue to flow into the > Tuolumne River can we protect this irreplaceable natural treasure. > > > Sincerely, > > > (Your name and address) > > > Tuolumne River Talking Points > > > Background > > > ? From its headwaters in Yosemite National Park, the Tuolumne River > cascades 162 miles before joining the San Joaquin River and flowing into the San > Francisco Bay-Delta. > ? The Tuolumne River supports a diverse biological community, including > migratory waterfowl, raptors (including peregrine falcons and bald eagles), mule > deer, black bears, foothill yellow-legged frogs, Sierra Nevada red fox, > rainbow trout, steelhead and Chinook salmon. > ? As the largest of three major tributaries to the San Joaquin River, the > Tuolumne River contributes much-needed freshwater to the San Francisco > Bay-Delta. > ? The Tuolumne River offers unparalleled outdoor recreation opportunities, > hosting thousands of hikers, whitewater boaters, anglers, and family campers > each year. > ? The Tuolumne was designated a Wild and Scenic River in 1984. > > > The Threat > > > ? In total, about 60% of the Tuolumne River is already diverted for urban > and rural uses, and increasing diversion will do further harm to the River. > ? As part of its Water System Improvement Program (WSIP), the San Francisco > Public Utilities Commission (SFPUC) has proposed diverting an additional 25 > million gallons of water per day from the Tuolumne River. > ? The SFPUC already diverts one-third of the Tuolumne River as it flows > through Yosemite National Park. > ? Outdoor water use alone is driving 60% of the anticipated increase in > water demand. > > > Inadequate Studies/Flawed Analysis > > > ? The Draft Program Environmental Impact Report (PEIR) used flawed modeling > to determine the anticipated increase in water demand, thus inflating > projected future needs. > ? In contrast to other metropolitan areas that have managed to reduce water > demand in the face of growth, the anticipated 14% increase in demand > projected by the SFPUC is large and out of step for the Bay Area. > ? The PEIR fails to properly identify and address all of the impacts of > taking more water from the Tuolumne River. This failure largely stems from the > lack of an adequate baseline study of the Upper Tuolumne River ? a > comprehensive study has not been conducted in over 15 years. A new study was initiated > in 2006, but will not be completed in time to inform the environmental > review process. > ? The PEIR does not take into consideration the impact of climate change on > precipitation in the Tuolumne River watershed. The State of California > predicts that global warming could reduce the Sierra snowpack by 5% by 2030 and > as much as 33% by 2060. > > > Conservation, Efficiency and Recycling > > > ? Water conservation and efficiency measures are the cheapest, easiest, and > least destructive ways to meet demand and extend supply. > ? The SFPUC?s ?preferred alternative? ignores conservation, efficiency, > and recycling measures that their own studies found could eliminate the need > to divert more water from the Tuolumne by at least 74%. > ? Per capita water use is projected to increase for wholesale customers, > indicating they lack effective conservation programs. > ? When it comes to water conservation, the Bay Area lags far behind other > metropolitan areas such as Seattle and Los Angeles that are reducing water > consumption even in the face of growth. As a region known for a strong > environmental ethic, the Bay Area should be a leader in water efficiency and > conservation. > > > Other Points > > > ? Decreasing reliance on the Tuolumne is critical not only for protecting > the health of the River, but also for preparing for the future uncertainty of > the Sierra snowpack as a result of global warming. > ? By pursuing a plan to divert additional water from the Tuolumne River, > the SFPUC risks delaying their capital program, causing cost overruns and > failing to increase the reliability of the water supply. > > > Recommendations > > > ? The SFPUC should re-evaluate its projections for future water demand and > conservation potential in light of flaws and inaccuracies in their studies. > ? The SFPUC should conduct a study to determine the maximum technical > potential for conservation and efficiency savings within the SFPUC service > territory. > ? Any additional demand should be met through increased investment in > conservation, efficiency, and recycling. > ? The SFPUC should adopt a policy of reducing diversions from the Tuolumne > River over time. > ? A comprehensive watershed study should be completed to adequately assess > the environmental impacts of the WSIP. > > > Learn More > > > Visit the Tuolumne River Trust website at www.Tuolumne.org > Our report is available at www.tuolumne.org/content/article.php/sfreport > > > The Draft EIR is available at www.sfgov.org/site/planning_index.asp?id=37672 > (Scroll down to ?Public Utility Commission (PUC) Projects: SF PUC Water > System Improvement Program DPEIR.?) > > For more information, contact the Tuolumne River Trust at peter at tuolumne.org > or (415) 292-3531 x301. > > Thank you for your interest in this vital campaign. 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From: Peter Drekmeier Subject: Tuolumne River Update Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:18:17 -0700 Size: 32641 URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Sep 24 18:37:22 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ballot Access is the Wild West of Law - Yeeha! Message-ID: <3118.38.99.84.36.1190684242.squirrel@greens.org> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:05:46 -0400 From: "Brent McMillan" Subject: [usgp-dx] Ballot Access is the Wild West of Law - Yeeha! To: Ballot Access is the Wild West of Law - Yeeha! September 24, 2007 Delivered by Brent McMillan, Political Director Green Party of the United States On the Steps of the U.S. Supreme Court Contact info: 202-319-7191 brent at gp.org Clingman vs. Beaver In January of 2005 the high court heard oral argument on the case of Clingman vs. Beaver. The Libertarian Party of Oklahoma argued to open up its primary to include those registered in other parties. At issue was an Oklahoma statute that forbade a party from opening up its primary elections to registered members of other parties but allowed parties to conduct semi-closed primaries, in which independents could vote. Basically the State of Oklahoma argued that its in the interest of the stability of the state to only have two political parties. The Two-Party System and Political Stability A driving force behind the Court's willingness to uphold ballot-access restrictions has been its perception of third parties as a threat to political stability. A solid majority of the courts shares the belief that third parties, if allowed easy access to the ballot, may destabilize the political system. In contrast, the Court views major political parties as the basis of stable politics. Recent cases are replete with praise for the stabilizing function of the major parties and the two-party system. To understand why the current Court is so favorable to major-party organizations, we must look to its understanding of the role of these organizations in the democratic process. Upon examination, it becomes clear that the Court envisions the major parties as critical buffers between the individual and the State. They believe that the major parties protect the smooth functioning of government against the discord of pluralist and populist politics. Thus the Courts values major parties primarily as the guardians of political stability. Is it Working? Exit polling from the 2006 Election showed that the three most important interests for American Voters are (Zogby): 1. Ending the War in Iraq 2. Global Warming 3. Universal Health Care Basically neither of the major parties represents the three most important issues of the American People. The Role of Third Parties in American Politics So what is the role of third parties in American Politics? When the major parties veer too far from the will of the American People third parties step up to champion those issues. Sometimes they end up replacing a major party such as the Republican Party on the issue of abolishing slavery. Other times a major party may pick up their issue(s) and the third party will no longer be relevant. Examples include Women's Suffrage, Social Security, The Weekend, the ending of Child Labor, etc. Clamping down the Lid and Turning up the Heat In the 1970's the major parties began to make ballot access more difficult for Independent and Third Party Candidates. At the same time, they began straying further and further from the will of the American People. They are working to put greater limits on the People's ability to hold them accountable. Instead they serve the interests of the Financial Elites. This has resulted in a decline of the overall quality of life for most Americans. On the other hand our rate of Incumbency is higher than that of the Communist Party in the Old Soviet Union. The Cradle of Democracy is becoming the Graveyard of Democracy Last year we saw the beginning of something that shocked and angered anyone paying attention. The Common Wealth of Pennsylvania decided to hold candidates personally, financial accountable for the cost of a ballot access challenge if they failed to prevail. This has a bone chilling affect on independent and third party candidates from seeking office. Marakay Rodgers was financially intimidated from running for office. She was the Green Party Candidate for Governor in Pennsylvania in 2006. We have to see this effort reversed and squashed. The people behind are the ones who need to be held accountable for their egregious actions. Carl Romanelli, the Green Party Candidate for US Senate in 2006 decided to stay the course and weather the Democrats attempt at financial intimidation. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court recently affirmed a Commonwealth Court order directing Ralph Nader to pay more than $80,000 to Democratic challengers who successfully removed his name from the ballot during the 2004 presidential election. The court's rationale was that "massive" fraud infected Nader's submission of 52,000 voters' signatures-more than twice the number needed to access the ballot. Nader could thus equitably be required to pay for the transcripts and writing experts needed to prove the Democrats' case. International Human Rights Violation What happened in Pennsylvania is now considered by the International Community to be a human rights violation. Ballot Access is the Wild West of Law The high court is vulnerable in its history of decisions in regards to ballot access. It has been consistently inconsistent. In Rodgers vs. Cortez there is an opportunity for the Court to do the right thing and to look out for the interests of the American People. Isn't it time to move the issue of Ballot Access into the twenty-first century? ...not the nineteenth. REFERENCES Boston Law Review: A Second Look at Third Parties: Correcting the Supreme Court's Understanding of Elections http://www.bu.edu/law/lawreview/v85n5/Evseev.pdf Zogby Post-Election Poll http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1194 Politics in Pennsylvania: Putting an end to Ralph Nader and Open Ballots http://www.votenader.org/contribute/index.php?cid=118 In Service: Brent McMillan, Political Director Green Party of the United States 202-319-7191 brent at gp.org From tnharter at aceweb.com Mon Sep 24 20:29:58 2007 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:29:58 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ballot Access is the Wild West of Law - Yeeha! In-Reply-To: <3118.38.99.84.36.1190684242.squirrel@greens.org> References: <3118.38.99.84.36.1190684242.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <46F880B6.10204@aceweb.com> Drew Johnson wrote: >(snip) > >Exit polling from the 2006 Election showed that the three most important >interests for American Voters are (Zogby): > >1. Ending the War in Iraq >2. Global Warming >3. Universal Health Care > >Basically neither of the major parties represents the three most >important issues of the American People. > >The Role of Third Parties in American Politics > >So what is the role of third parties in American Politics? When the >major parties veer too far from the will of the American People third >parties step up to champion those issues. Sometimes they end up >replacing a major party such as the Republican Party on the issue of >abolishing slavery. Other times a major party may pick up their issue(s) >and the third party will no longer be relevant. Examples include Women's >Suffrage, Social Security, The Weekend, the ending of Child Labor, etc. > >Clamping down the Lid and Turning up the Heat > >In the 1970's the major parties began to make ballot access more >difficult for Independent and Third Party Candidates. At the same time, >they began straying further and further from the will of the American >People. They are working to put greater limits on the People's ability >to hold them accountable. Instead they serve the interests of the >Financial Elites. This has resulted in a decline of the overall quality >of life for most Americans. On the other hand our rate of Incumbency is >higher than that of the Communist Party in the Old Soviet Union. > >The Cradle of Democracy is becoming the Graveyard of Democracy > >Last year we saw the beginning of something that shocked and angered >anyone paying attention. The Common Wealth of Pennsylvania decided to >hold candidates personally, financial accountable for the cost of a >ballot access challenge if they failed to prevail. This has a bone >chilling affect on independent and third party candidates from seeking >office. Marakay Rodgers was financially intimidated from running for >office. She was the Green Party Candidate for Governor in Pennsylvania >in 2006. We have to see this effort reversed and squashed. The people >behind are the ones who need to be held accountable for their egregious >actions. > >Carl Romanelli, the Green Party Candidate for US Senate in 2006 decided >to stay the course and weather the Democrats attempt at financial >intimidation. > >The Pennsylvania Supreme Court recently affirmed a Commonwealth Court >order directing Ralph Nader to pay more than $80,000 to Democratic >challengers who successfully removed his name from the ballot during the >2004 presidential election. The court's rationale was that "massive" >fraud infected Nader's submission of 52,000 voters' signatures-more than >twice the number needed to access the ballot. Nader could thus equitably >be required to pay for the transcripts and writing experts needed to >prove the Democrats' case. > >International Human Rights Violation > >What happened in Pennsylvania is now considered by the International >Community to be a human rights violation. > > > Here in California we don't have those problems. I know because I've exercised our ballot. That's one reason I persue the "one dollar one vote" idea so vigorously. I find that ballot access is great, and it does open quite a few doors, but by itself it has limited value. Tying it to the marketplace with such ideas as "vote your dollars" I hope can make a difference. From tnharter at aceweb.com Mon Sep 24 20:40:09 2007 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:40:09 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [G-C-F] 2nd Global Greens Conference, Sao Paolo Brazil, 1-4 May 2008] Message-ID: <46F88319.5020905@aceweb.com> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Mike Feinstein Subject: [G-C-F] 2nd Global Greens Conference, Sao Paolo Brazil, 1-4 May 2008 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:06:06 -0700 Size: 6547 URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Tue Sep 25 01:23:10 2007 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:23:10 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] district size and voting, etc In-Reply-To: <8C9CB817906964B-2C4-3D99@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> References: <1574.38.99.84.36.1190442076.squirrel@greens.org> <8C9CB6A9980605D-1A4-37C0@Webmail-mg05.sysops.aol.com> <8C9CB817906964B-2C4-3D99@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46F8C56E.6020206@aceweb.com> I've seen Wyoming described as "a small town with long streets." The US Mint is currently pumping out their quarters, but I've not seen one yet. alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Some people may be confusing the overrepresentation of Red states in > the U.S. Senate with overrepresentation in the U.S. House. Thanks to > the Constitutional rule for alloting 2 senators for every state, Dick > Cheney's beloved Wyoming has the same representation as California. > > Alex Walker > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail > ! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Now running on Etch, a more recent version of KDE Linux than Sarge. From alexcathy at aol.com Tue Sep 25 09:46:33 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:46:33 -0400 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ballot Access is the Wild West of Law - Yeeha! In-Reply-To: <46F880B6.10204@aceweb.com> References: <3118.38.99.84.36.1190684242.squirrel@greens.org> <46F880B6.10204@aceweb.com> Message-ID: <8C9CDAAC3F6B51C-7E4-390A@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> Dear Tian, What do you mean by "one dollar one vote."? You're kidding, right? Alex Walker -----Original Message----- From: Tian Harter To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 8:29 pm Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ballot Access is the Wild West of Law - Yeeha! Here in California we don't have those problems. I know because I've exercised our ballot. That's one reason I persue the "one dollar one vote" idea so vigorously. I find that ballot access is great, and it does open quite a few doors, but by itself it has limited value. Tying it to the marketplace with such ideas as "vote your dollars" I hope can make a difference. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Tue Sep 25 11:57:07 2007 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:57:07 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ballot Access is the Wild West of Law - Yeeha! In-Reply-To: <8C9CDAAC3F6B51C-7E4-390A@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> References: <3118.38.99.84.36.1190684242.squirrel@greens.org> <46F880B6.10204@aceweb.com> <8C9CDAAC3F6B51C-7E4-390A@FWM-D13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <46F95A03.6080200@aceweb.com> alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Tian, > > What do you mean by "one dollar one vote." > > You're kidding, right? (looks around home) No kids here. The problem with oil consumption is that it is deeply ingrained in our habits. The key to solving the problem is realizing that to really do it, we need to change the way we live. The best way is to think of the dollars you spend, and to find ways to live more lightly, meaning use less fossil fuels. I find thinking of the marketplace as an opportunity to vote enhances my feeling of "living in a democracy." Even a lot of Republicans like that one. I remember talking to someone I was standing on the corner with during a vigil, and I told them "the one dollar one vote is way more serious for the guys selling ice creams from pushcarts than it is for me." Right now I'm happy. The silicon valley impeachment coalition is putting together a flier on things to do to on the 3rd Friday of the month. One of the items is "Don't buy gas; the drop in sales is your vote." I got someone singing my tune! I have a stack of "Stop voting for oil companies at the gas pump!" stickers I made. They are the perfect size to fit on credit cards. Want one? Give me an address to mail it to (in a private email) and I'll send one out. Tian > > > Alex Walker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tian Harter > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 8:29 pm > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ballot Access is the Wild West of Law - > Yeeha! > > > >Here in California we don't have those problems. I know because I've > >exercised our ballot. > >That's one reason I persue the "one dollar one vote" idea so vigorously. > >I find that ballot > >access is great, and it does open quite a few doors, but by itself it > >has limited value. > >Tying it to the marketplace with such ideas as "vote your dollars" I > >hope can make a difference. > >_______________________________________________ > >sosfbay-discuss mailing list > >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail > ! From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Sep 25 12:22:10 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: East Valley Greens Invite to a Social this Friday night! Message-ID: <2936.38.99.84.36.1190748130.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: East Valley Greens has sent you an Evite Invitation From: "East Valley Greens" Date: Fri, September 21, 2007 17:48 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- East Valley Greens has invited you to You are invited to "GREEN PARTY SOCIAL" by East Valley Greens. Hi everyone, Please view our invitation and let us know if you can attend.

From fredd at freeshell.org Tue Sep 25 12:36:22 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:36:22 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Don't let corporations ignore their shareholders] Message-ID: <46F96336.6020300@freeshell.org> Please help Oxfam America and Immokalee Workers prevent the SEC from banning corporate shareholders' rights to make resolutions supporting fair wages and human rights for workers who raise the raw food the corporations, like Proctor & Gamble and Pizza Hut, process for the market. Please also read below. Fred -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Don't let corporations ignore their shareholders Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:03:05 GMT From: Tim Fullerton, Oxfam America Reply-To: notice-reply-webnndu41e5kx6n at ga-mail.act.oxfamamerica.org To: Fred Duparrault Dear Fred, As you know, Oxfam works very hard to make sure corporations establish practices that help promote human rights, reduce poverty, and protect the environment. In 2004, Oxfam joined our partner the Coalition of Immokalee Workers in convincing Yum! Brands, the parent company of Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, and others, to increase the amount they pay to their tomato farmers. Part of the reason for our great success was because more than 40 percent of the shareholders in Yum! Brands, representing a $3 billion stake in the company, believed that fair wages should be part of the company's business model. We won because we worked with the company's shareholders-a critical voice in any large company. Now, the government wants to take away the rights of shareholders to keep corporations honest about their practices. Please tell the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to protect shareholder rights before the Oct. 2 public comment deadline (http://act.oxfamamerica.org/campaign/sec/webnndu41e5kx6n?). Shareholder advocacy, used for decades by social movements at home and abroad, is a highly effective way to bring about social change. Oxfam has used this technique to put pressure on companies like Proctor & Gamble and the Newmont Mining Corporation to improve their human rights practices. Our right to freely petition corporations at their annual general meetings is now being threatened. The SEC has proposed new rules that would restrict the ability of shareholders to bring shareholder resolutions, thereby shutting down public discussion around controversial issues. If these proposals pass, wins like Yum! Brands will be much harder to accomplish. We need your help today to convince the SEC to abandon these proposals. The SEC is accepting comments from the public until Oct. 2. Please tell the SEC today to protect shareholder rights (http://act.oxfamamerica.org/campaign/sec/webnndu41e5kx6n?). We hope you'll join us in protecting this important tool of our modern democracy. Sincerely, Tim Fullerton Oxfam America ______________________________________________________________ Need to change your personal info? 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Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: We Can't Wait Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" Organization: ACLU To: gerrygras at earthlink.net **************************************** We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now http://action.aclu.org/ **************************************** Dear Gerald, It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up to the Bush Administration. Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our constitutional rights. With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on the record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the Constitution? And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? http://action.aclu.org/ Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press members of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more than half-million ACLU members to take action. So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? http://action.aclu.org/ We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following him blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the Constitution. We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate came within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if we keep the pressure on. Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? http://action.aclu.org/ You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you to participate in this critical campaign. Sincerely, Anthony D. Romero Executive Director ACLU P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the Constitution. Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? http://action.aclu.org/ Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target the ones who haven't. From fredd at freeshell.org Tue Sep 25 16:54:24 2007 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:54:24 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] Message-ID: <46F99FB0.8040307@freeshell.org> It is commendable what the ACLU is doing here. I have some questions, though. The leverage of all the ACLU supporters won't amount to much because most Democrats have shown reluctance to stand up to Bush. Who else will the liberal Democratic voters vote for but the Democrats who are talking a lot but not doing much? It won't be the Republicans, nor the Greens. Also, why hasn't the ACLU called for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney? By ignoring the constitutional means to protect the Constitution, Congress is, in fact, the Pelosi crowd is pardoning Cheney and Bush for their high crimes and misdemeanors. By capitulating to the "Deciders," the Democratic Party controlled House has condoned their violations of the Constitution. Will the ACLU membership throw its support to Kucinich if their Democrats continue to disappoint them? If they would, will the ACLU leadership go along? Hmmmmm, Fred FYI, Action from the ACLU... Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: We Can't Wait Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" Organization: ACLU To: gerrygras at earthlink.net **************************************** We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now http://action.aclu.org/ **************************************** Dear Gerald, It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up to the Bush Administration. Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our constitutional rights. With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on the record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the Constitution? And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? http://action.aclu.org/ Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press members of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more than half-million ACLU members to take action. So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? http://action.aclu.org/ We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following him blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the Constitution. We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate came within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if we keep the pressure on. Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? http://action.aclu.org/ You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you to participate in this critical campaign. Sincerely, Anthony D. Romero Executive Director ACLU P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the Constitution. Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? http://action.aclu.org/ Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target the ones who haven't. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Sep 25 16:54:46 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeach Cheney First: Make a statement to your congresspeople & newspapers Message-ID: <1904.38.99.84.36.1190764486.squirrel@greens.org> Please contact your congress people and newspapers in favor of H Res 333 to impeach Cheney by going here: http://www.usalone.com/cheney_impeachment.php -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Sep 25 17:16:07 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] In-Reply-To: <46F99FB0.8040307@freeshell.org> References: <46F99FB0.8040307@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <2048.38.99.84.36.1190765767.squirrel@greens.org> I agree with Fred. Nevertheless I'd be happy to sign something on behalf of the ACLU to follow up with this e-mail, but when I go to the web site I don't find any action item that seems to correspond. Gerry if you could please clarify... Green is Connection! Drew On Tue, September 25, 2007 16:54, Fred Duperrault wrote: > > It is commendable what the ACLU is doing here. > > I have some questions, though. The leverage of all the ACLU supporters > won't amount to much because most Democrats have shown reluctance to > stand up to Bush. Who else will the liberal Democratic voters vote for > but the Democrats who are talking a lot but not doing much? It won't be > the Republicans, nor the Greens. > > Also, why hasn't the ACLU called for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney? > By ignoring the constitutional means to protect the Constitution, > Congress is, in fact, the Pelosi crowd is pardoning Cheney and Bush for > their high crimes and misdemeanors. > > By capitulating to the "Deciders," the Democratic Party controlled House > has condoned their violations of the Constitution. > > Will the ACLU membership throw its support to Kucinich if their > Democrats continue to disappoint them? > > If they would, will the ACLU leadership go along? > > Hmmmmm, > > Fred > > > FYI, > > Action from the ACLU... > > Gerry > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: We Can't Wait > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" > Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" > Organization: ACLU > To: gerrygras at earthlink.net > > **************************************** > We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now > http://action.aclu.org/ > **************************************** > Dear Gerald, > > It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up > to the Bush Administration. > > Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a > more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have > a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going > to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign > demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our constitutional > rights. > > With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on the > record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the Constitution? > And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four > critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down > Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. > > Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? > http://action.aclu.org/ > > Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the > ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members > of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper > and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots > pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming > together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. > > Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press members > of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, > close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and > fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows > warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress > acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more > than half-million ACLU members to take action. > > So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the > Constitution? > http://action.aclu.org/ > > We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running > ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid > demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following him > blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that > all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the > Constitution. > > We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds > of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our > privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of > that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this > reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate came > within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. > > With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take > action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if we > keep the pressure on. > > Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut > down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. > In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who > care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress > on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant > Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. > > Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the > Constitution? > http://action.aclu.org/ > > You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the > Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you > to participate in this critical campaign. > > Sincerely, > Anthony D. Romero > Executive Director > ACLU > > P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member > of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the Constitution. > Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate > commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of > Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? > http://action.aclu.org/ > > Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the > Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target > the ones who haven't. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From wechslertoo at earthlink.net Tue Sep 25 19:46:22 2007 From: wechslertoo at earthlink.net (Curt Wechsler) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:46:22 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] Message-ID: <410-2200793262462262@earthlink.net> So you say it's "commendable"... does that mean you called your Representative or not? > [Original Message] > From: Fred Duperrault > To: > Date: 9/25/2007 4:54:30 PM > Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] > > > It is commendable what the ACLU is doing here. > > I have some questions, though. The leverage of all the ACLU supporters > won't amount to much because most Democrats have shown reluctance to > stand up to Bush. Who else will the liberal Democratic voters vote for > but the Democrats who are talking a lot but not doing much? It won't be > the Republicans, nor the Greens. > > Also, why hasn't the ACLU called for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney? > By ignoring the constitutional means to protect the Constitution, > Congress is, in fact, the Pelosi crowd is pardoning Cheney and Bush for > their high crimes and misdemeanors. > > By capitulating to the "Deciders," the Democratic Party controlled House > has condoned their violations of the Constitution. > > Will the ACLU membership throw its support to Kucinich if their > Democrats continue to disappoint them? > > If they would, will the ACLU leadership go along? > > Hmmmmm, > > Fred > > > FYI, > > Action from the ACLU... > > Gerry > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: We Can't Wait > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) > From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" > Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" > Organization: ACLU > To: gerrygras at earthlink.net > > **************************************** > We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now > http://action.aclu.org/ > **************************************** > Dear Gerald, > > It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up > to the Bush Administration. > > Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a > more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have > a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going > to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign > demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our constitutional > rights. > > With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on the > record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the Constitution? > And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four > critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down > Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. > > Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? > http://action.aclu.org/ > > Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the > ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members > of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper > and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots > pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming > together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. > > Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press members > of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, > close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and > fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows > warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress > acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more > than half-million ACLU members to take action. > > So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the > Constitution? > http://action.aclu.org/ > > We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running > ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid > demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following him > blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that > all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the > Constitution. > > We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds > of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our > privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of > that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this > reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate came > within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. > > With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take > action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if we > keep the pressure on. > > Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut > down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. > In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who > care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress > on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant > Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. > > Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the > Constitution? > http://action.aclu.org/ > > You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the > Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you > to participate in this critical campaign. > > Sincerely, > Anthony D. Romero > Executive Director > ACLU > > P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member > of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the Constitution. > Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate > commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of > Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? > http://action.aclu.org/ > > Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the > Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target > the ones who haven't. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Sep 25 21:05:51 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] In-Reply-To: <410-2200793262462262@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200793262462262@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3539.38.99.84.36.1190779551.squirrel@greens.org> Fred not only called his representative, Anna Eshoo, he went and talked to her in person advocating for impeachment along with a group of us that included Gerry Gras and myself. Also I posted recent op ed carried in the San Jose Mercury was posted here. How about you Curt? Green is Bold! Drew On Tue, September 25, 2007 19:46, Curt Wechsler wrote: > So you say it's "commendable"... does that mean you called your > Representative or not? > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Fred Duperrault >> To: >> Date: 9/25/2007 4:54:30 PM >> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] >> >> >> It is commendable what the ACLU is doing here. >> >> I have some questions, though. The leverage of all the ACLU supporters >> won't amount to much because most Democrats have shown reluctance to >> stand up to Bush. Who else will the liberal Democratic voters vote for >> but the Democrats who are talking a lot but not doing much? It won't be >> the Republicans, nor the Greens. >> >> Also, why hasn't the ACLU called for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney? >> By ignoring the constitutional means to protect the Constitution, >> Congress is, in fact, the Pelosi crowd is pardoning Cheney and Bush for >> their high crimes and misdemeanors. >> >> By capitulating to the "Deciders," the Democratic Party controlled House >> has condoned their violations of the Constitution. >> >> Will the ACLU membership throw its support to Kucinich if their >> Democrats continue to disappoint them? >> >> If they would, will the ACLU leadership go along? >> >> Hmmmmm, >> >> Fred >> >> >> FYI, >> >> Action from the ACLU... >> >> Gerry >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: We Can't Wait >> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) >> From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >> Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >> Organization: ACLU >> To: gerrygras at earthlink.net >> >> **************************************** >> We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> **************************************** >> Dear Gerald, >> >> It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up >> to the Bush Administration. >> >> Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a >> more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have >> a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going >> to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign >> demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our constitutional >> rights. >> >> With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on the >> record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the Constitution? >> And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four >> critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down >> Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. >> >> Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> >> Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the >> ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members >> of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper >> and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots >> pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming >> together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. >> >> Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press members >> of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, >> close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and >> fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows >> warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress >> acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more >> than half-million ACLU members to take action. >> >> So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >> Constitution? >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> >> We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running >> ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid >> demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following him >> blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that >> all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the >> Constitution. >> >> We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds >> of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our >> privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of >> that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this >> reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate came >> within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. >> >> With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take >> action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if we >> keep the pressure on. >> >> Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut >> down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. >> In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who >> care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress >> on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant >> Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. >> >> Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >> Constitution? >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> >> You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the >> Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you >> to participate in this critical campaign. >> >> Sincerely, >> Anthony D. Romero >> Executive Director >> ACLU >> >> P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member >> of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the Constitution. >> Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate >> commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of >> Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> >> Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the >> Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target >> the ones who haven't. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From wechslertoo at earthlink.net Tue Sep 25 22:04:54 2007 From: wechslertoo at earthlink.net (Curt Wechsler) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:04:54 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] Message-ID: <410-2200793265454375@earthlink.net> Yes, and good. Considering that the ACLU has the limitations of being nonprofit and nonpartisan it does great work. > [Original Message] > From: Drew Johnson > To: > Cc: > Date: 9/25/2007 9:06:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] > > Fred not only called his representative, Anna Eshoo, he went and talked to > her in person advocating for impeachment along with a group of us that > included Gerry Gras and myself. Also I posted recent op ed carried in the > San Jose Mercury was posted here. How about you Curt? > > > Green is Bold! > > Drew > > > On Tue, September 25, 2007 19:46, Curt Wechsler wrote: > > So you say it's "commendable"... does that mean you called your > > Representative or not? > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Fred Duperrault > >> To: > >> Date: 9/25/2007 4:54:30 PM > >> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] > >> > >> > >> It is commendable what the ACLU is doing here. > >> > >> I have some questions, though. The leverage of all the ACLU supporters > >> won't amount to much because most Democrats have shown reluctance to > >> stand up to Bush. Who else will the liberal Democratic voters vote for > >> but the Democrats who are talking a lot but not doing much? It won't be > >> the Republicans, nor the Greens. > >> > >> Also, why hasn't the ACLU called for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney? > >> By ignoring the constitutional means to protect the Constitution, > >> Congress is, in fact, the Pelosi crowd is pardoning Cheney and Bush for > >> their high crimes and misdemeanors. > >> > >> By capitulating to the "Deciders," the Democratic Party controlled House > >> has condoned their violations of the Constitution. > >> > >> Will the ACLU membership throw its support to Kucinich if their > >> Democrats continue to disappoint them? > >> > >> If they would, will the ACLU leadership go along? > >> > >> Hmmmmm, > >> > >> Fred > >> > >> > >> FYI, > >> > >> Action from the ACLU... > >> > >> Gerry > >> > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: We Can't Wait > >> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) > >> From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" > >> Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" > >> Organization: ACLU > >> To: gerrygras at earthlink.net > >> > >> **************************************** > >> We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now > >> http://action.aclu.org/ > >> **************************************** > >> Dear Gerald, > >> > >> It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up > >> to the Bush Administration. > >> > >> Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a > >> more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have > >> a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going > >> to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign > >> demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our constitutional > >> rights. > >> > >> With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on the > >> record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the Constitution? > >> And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four > >> critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down > >> Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. > >> > >> Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? > >> http://action.aclu.org/ > >> > >> Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the > >> ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members > >> of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper > >> and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots > >> pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming > >> together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. > >> > >> Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press members > >> of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, > >> close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and > >> fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows > >> warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress > >> acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more > >> than half-million ACLU members to take action. > >> > >> So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the > >> Constitution? > >> http://action.aclu.org/ > >> > >> We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running > >> ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid > >> demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following him > >> blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that > >> all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the > >> Constitution. > >> > >> We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds > >> of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our > >> privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of > >> that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this > >> reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate came > >> within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. > >> > >> With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take > >> action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if we > >> keep the pressure on. > >> > >> Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut > >> down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. > >> In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who > >> care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress > >> on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant > >> Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. > >> > >> Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the > >> Constitution? > >> http://action.aclu.org/ > >> > >> You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the > >> Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you > >> to participate in this critical campaign. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Anthony D. Romero > >> Executive Director > >> ACLU > >> > >> P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member > >> of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the Constitution. > >> Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate > >> commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of > >> Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? > >> http://action.aclu.org/ > >> > >> Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the > >> Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target > >> the ones who haven't. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list > >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list > >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > -- > JamBoi > http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 > "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to > social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's > American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to > lead the way in Peaceableness." > From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Sep 25 23:13:00 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] In-Reply-To: <410-2200793265454375@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200793265454375@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1024.38.99.84.36.1190787180.squirrel@greens.org> Note that the ACLU took out a major ad to call for impeachment against Nixon that really helped advance the cause. What is stopping them from doing the same now??? Nonprofit and nonpartisan is no excuse shield for them to avoid taking up their responsibility and act. This would contrast sharply with the way the ACLU has sat back and complied with the NeoCon placement of 'activist' conservative and NeoConservative judges the Supreme Court and all levels of government. Green is Connection! Drew On Tue, September 25, 2007 22:04, Curt Wechsler wrote: > Yes, and good. Considering that the ACLU has the limitations of being > nonprofit and nonpartisan it does great work. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Drew Johnson >> To: >> Cc: >> Date: 9/25/2007 9:06:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] >> >> Fred not only called his representative, Anna Eshoo, he went and talked >> to >> her in person advocating for impeachment along with a group of us that >> included Gerry Gras and myself. Also I posted recent op ed carried in >> the >> San Jose Mercury was posted here. How about you Curt? >> >> >> Green is Bold! >> >> Drew >> >> >> On Tue, September 25, 2007 19:46, Curt Wechsler wrote: >> > So you say it's "commendable"... does that mean you called your >> > Representative or not? >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Fred Duperrault >> >> To: >> >> Date: 9/25/2007 4:54:30 PM >> >> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] >> >> >> >> >> >> It is commendable what the ACLU is doing here. >> >> >> >> I have some questions, though. The leverage of all the ACLU >> supporters >> >> won't amount to much because most Democrats have shown reluctance to >> >> stand up to Bush. Who else will the liberal Democratic voters vote >> for >> >> but the Democrats who are talking a lot but not doing much? It won't > be >> >> the Republicans, nor the Greens. >> >> >> >> Also, why hasn't the ACLU called for the impeachment of Bush and > Cheney? >> >> By ignoring the constitutional means to protect the Constitution, >> >> Congress is, in fact, the Pelosi crowd is pardoning Cheney and Bush >> for >> >> their high crimes and misdemeanors. >> >> >> >> By capitulating to the "Deciders," the Democratic Party controlled > House >> >> has condoned their violations of the Constitution. >> >> >> >> Will the ACLU membership throw its support to Kucinich if their >> >> Democrats continue to disappoint them? >> >> >> >> If they would, will the ACLU leadership go along? >> >> >> >> Hmmmmm, >> >> >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> >> >> FYI, >> >> >> >> Action from the ACLU... >> >> >> >> Gerry >> >> >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: We Can't Wait >> >> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) >> >> From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >> >> Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >> >> Organization: ACLU >> >> To: gerrygras at earthlink.net >> >> >> >> **************************************** >> >> We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now >> >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> >> **************************************** >> >> Dear Gerald, >> >> >> >> It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up >> >> to the Bush Administration. >> >> >> >> Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a >> >> more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have >> >> a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going >> >> to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign >> >> demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our >> constitutional >> >> rights. >> >> >> >> With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on >> the >> >> record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the >> Constitution? >> >> And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four >> >> critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down >> >> Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. >> >> >> >> Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >> >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> >> >> >> Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the >> >> ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members >> >> of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper >> >> and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots >> >> pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming >> >> together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. >> >> >> >> Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press >> members >> >> of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, >> >> close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and >> >> fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows >> >> warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress >> >> acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more >> >> than half-million ACLU members to take action. >> >> >> >> So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >> >> Constitution? >> >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> >> >> >> We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running >> >> ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid >> >> demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following >> him >> >> blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that >> >> all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the >> >> Constitution. >> >> >> >> We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds >> >> of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our >> >> privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of >> >> that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this >> >> reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate >> came >> >> within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. >> >> >> >> With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take >> >> action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if >> we >> >> keep the pressure on. >> >> >> >> Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut >> >> down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. >> >> In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who >> >> care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress >> >> on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant >> >> Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. >> >> >> >> Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >> >> Constitution? >> >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> >> >> >> You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the >> >> Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you >> >> to participate in this critical campaign. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Anthony D. Romero >> >> Executive Director >> >> ACLU >> >> >> >> P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member >> >> of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the >> Constitution. >> >> Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate >> >> commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of >> >> Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >> >> http://action.aclu.org/ >> >> >> >> Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the >> >> Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target >> >> the ones who haven't. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > >> >> >> -- >> JamBoi >> http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 >> "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to >> social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's >> American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need >> to >> lead the way in Peaceableness." >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Sep 26 11:42:59 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:42:59 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bad Bad MoveOn!! Message-ID: <46FAA833.8040108@earthlink.net> The House condemns the MoveOn ("Betray Us") ad, in House Resolution 644. Thomas does not have the vote result yet. The article below says the vote was 341 to 79. http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/26/4125/ Gerry From cbrouillet at igc.org Wed Sep 26 20:52:37 2007 From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:52:37 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Stanford Greens- Activist Theater Message-ID: ************************Please Forward Widely************************ WANTED: ARTISTS The Stanford Theatre Activist Mobilization Project (STAMP) seeks artists and activists of all kinds for its 2007-2008 Company. Come to one of our informational meetings and interview sessions (audition optional)! WHEN: Sunday, Sept 30 or Monday, Oct 1st at 7pm WHERE: Prosser Studio (upstairs in MemAud) STAMP is a new student-run theatre group which seeks to educate, inspire and mobilize the Stanford community for political action through theatrical performances. The company will form the core of STAMP's productions and attend weekly meetings to plan out the year's events. This year's projects include a week-long festival on AIDS in the new millennium, a stirring play about the genocide in Darfur, and an innovative guerilla theatre troupe that will perform at events all over campus. We are looking for anyone who is excited about combining arts and activism, no matter what experience you have. Come to one of our meetings and find out what we're all about! No experience necessary. E-mail the Artistic Director, Alex Mallory, at alex.mallory at stanford.edu for more information. REWARD: SOCIAL CHANGE -- Amanda Gelender Stanford Class of 2009 B.A. Candidate in Political Science B.A. Candidate in Drama --++**==--++**==--++**==--++**==--++**==--++**==--++**==--++**== greenparty mailing list greenparty at lists.stanford.edu https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/greenparty From alexcathy at aol.com Wed Sep 26 21:42:31 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:42:31 -0400 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Hack Du Jour: San Francisco's Ed Jew Message-ID: <8C9CED7F3035300-A3C-4024@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, The California Democratic Party hack du jour is San Francisco Supervisor Ed Jew. ? San Francisco Supervisor Suspended Amid Misconduct Accusations by John M. Glionna Los Angeles Times September 26, 2007 ? SAN FRANCISCO -- Signaling that it was time to end an embarrassing public distraction, Mayor Gavin Newsom suspended Supervisor Ed Jew on Tuesday for alleged misconduct that included soliciting bribes and lying about his place of residence. ? The first-year supervisor, who has been under state and federal investigation, maintains his innocence and has refused to step down. Newsom's action forces a city Ethics Commission hearing, which could set the stage for the Board of Supervisors to vote to remove Jew from office. ? Jew, 47, was served at his Chinatown flower shop with a seven-page outline of the alleged ethics violations, which include filing falsified documents claiming he lived in the Sunset District, which he represents, a requirement for holding office. Jew faces state felony perjury and fraud charges for allegedly lying to city officials about his home address. ? Newsom's outline of Jew's alleged violations also mentions a federal investigation into whether Jew sought payment of as much as $80,000 in cash in exchange for helping to secure business permits for a group of immigrant-owned tapioca drink shops in his district. Last week, federal prosecutors charged him with one count of fraud. ? Jew's attorney, Steven Gruel, did not return calls Tuesday. ? Does anybody remember the 2003 election for Mayor if San Francisco? ? It was cliff-hanger between Democrat Gavin Newsom and Green Party candidate Matt Gonzales. This was three years after the Democrats let Bush and the Republicans steal the 2000 election in Florida and just weeks after the really awful, clueless Democratic Governor Gray Davis went down in flames in the recall election that brought Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to power.? The desperate Democrats had to prove they could beat somebody, so they brought in their heavy hitters, Al Gore, and even Bill Clinton (on a private jet paid for by one of Newsom's wealthy contributors) to prop up their pretty candidate in what was supposed to be a nonpartisan election.? The 2-party ?ber alles intellectuals screaming and crying how it would be "crazy" to elect a Ralph Nader "greenie-weenie" as mayor of a major city.? ? On Election Day, Gonzalez won more Democratic votes than Newsom, while Newsom won the Republican vote. At the end of the day Newsom only garnered 53 percent of the vote to Gonzalez's 47 percent. ? Sure enough, we have seen a lot of crazy stuff these last four years... from Republicans and Democrats.? ? Ed Jew: Personal and Political Biography Posted on the Web Site for District 4 Supervisor Ed Jew http://www.edjew.net/bio.htm ?? ? Ed Jew is a 3rd generation San Franciscan, born in San Francisco's Chinatown in 1960. He became active in the Chinese Community at a young age, and has followed in his grandfather's footsteps as a leader in many local community causes.? ? The Jew family came to San Francisco in the early 1900s and has played a prominent role in the local Chinese community for the better part of the past century.? Ed's grandfather, James Jew, arrived in San Francisco in 1913.? He opened an employment agency in 1925, and in 1927 he opened the Canton Flower Shop, which Ed and his wife Lisa continue to operate today. ? Ed attended San Francisco's public schools, graduated from McAteer High, attended City College and earned a degree in economics from San Francisco State University.? He received his MBA from Golden Gate University in 1984. Gifted with a knack for business, Ed bought his first piece of real estate in San Francisco at the age of 21.? He has founded various small business enterprises throughout his professional career.? Besides his family's flower shop, he is also the President of Howard Mock Jew, Inc., a local taxi company. ? So what, exactly is Mr. Jew's political philosophy? ? Ed Jew has worked successfully with the Democratic and Republican parties in San Francisco, recently serving as campaign coordinator for the Leland Yee for Assembly campaign.? He is a board member of the Chinese American Democratic Club and is a Democrat, but has also worked with the California Chinese American Republican Association and the Republican County Central Committee. ? Oh goody!? He's bipartisan ("post-partisan"?). Must be a "good guy."? Right? ? Now, here is where the bio gets really cute.? It says our hero is interesting in public education because he and his wife are raising their kid in the Sunset District ? Ed and Lisa are raising their 8 year old daughter in the Sunset District.? Ed has been a leader in the neighborhood schools movement, successfully challenging the School District in court last year to change the public school bussing policy.? Ed believes that schools will improve when parents take an active role in their children's education, and that is impossible if children spend hours every day being transported across town instead of learning in their own neighborhoods.??? ? For those who don't know, the old "neighborhood schools" rap refers to a desegregation plan to remedy decades of separate and grossly unequal schools for Blacks and Latinos.? Anyway, turns out Mr. Jew and his family may have actually been living in a house in the City of Burlingame.? And it is also alleged his "knack for business" included soliciting bribes. ? Mayor Newsom's Record ? San Francisco Greens have posted an article summarizing how things have been going in the City by the Bay under Mayor Newsom.? ? View from the North http://www.sfgreenparty.org/news/newsitem-start.gem?idx=1603 ? 09/09/07 by S. M. Peters ? . . .Meanwhile, over at Newsom Inc., it's a good bet that the mayor's reelection team popped open the champagne on Aug. 1 when they heard the news that former Board of Supervisors President and Green Party hero Matt Gonzalez, who nearly defeated Newsom in the 2003 mayoral race, ultimately decided not to challenge him in a rematch this year. ? Despite Newsom's efforts at tarring passionate, outspoken supervisor Chris Daly all year, Gonzalez was surely the one he feared most. The one whose issues he has appropriated from day one-from gay marriage, increasing minimum wage, to tidal energy-and who would have beaten him in 2003 under fairer circumstances. ? Gonzalez (or Daly) would have called Newsom to task on his extremely mixed record as mayor these past four years: the city's shocking homicide rate (already up 20 percent from last year), the ongoing mess that is Muni [the public transportation system, the city's lack of affordable housing, Newsom's snubbing of the will of the voters and inability to work with their elected representatives, the city supervisors, and the general AWOL quality of Newsom's leadership, which even former Newsom supporters are unhappy about... ? The problem is not that Ed Jew is "too liberal" or "too conservative."? The problem is he is an amoral "yuppie" with no principles at all.? Remember, this is the milieu that produced Sen. Diane Feinstein and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.? Does anybody consider the national implications of this never-ending parade of sleazy goings-on in Los Angeles and the Bay Area -- two of the most Democratic "Blue" areas of the entire United States?? There is a lot of hand-wringing these days about the failure of the Democratic Congress to stop the Bush agenda.? I have a theory that before boys and girls grow up to be lousy members of Congress they were first lousy legislators in their local communities.? ? We need the Green Party. ? Read This Online at: http://www.greencommons.org/node/801 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcathy at aol.com Thu Sep 27 05:23:47 2007 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:23:47 -0400 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Hack Du Jour: Lynwood Mayor Louis Byrd In-Reply-To: <8C9CED7F3035300-A3C-4024@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9CED7F3035300-A3C-4024@WEBMAIL-MA01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C9CF186356A1E2-778-4964@MBLK-M17.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, The California Democratic Party hack du jour is Lynwood Mayor Louis Byrd. ? Lynwood Mayor, 3 Council Members Voted Out By Hector Becerra and Andrew Blankstein Los Angeles Times September 27, 2007 .? .? . Mayor Louis Byrd and council members Fernando Pedroza, Alfreddie Johnson Jr. and Leticia Vasquez were recalled by some 2,300 voters, or about 70% of those who cast ballots in Tuesday's election, according to unofficial results by the Los Angeles registrar-recorder. The recall comes four months after five current and former council members were charged by Los Angeles County prosecutors with using public funds to boost their salaries and pay for personal expenses. .? .? . The recall is yet another black eye for Lynwood, about 15 miles south of downtown L.A. In 2005, former longtime Mayor Paul Richards was convicted of steering $500,000 worth of city contracts to a front corporation he secretly owned. He was sentenced last year to 16 years in federal prison. Then, two current and three former council members were accused by prosecutors of padding their official $9,600 salaries to receive as much as $100,000 for part-time services. Byrd and Pedroza were accused of using city credit cards and other municipal funds for personal expenses, including trips abroad and airline tickets for spouses, and in Pedroza's case, a session with an exotic dancer in Mexico. .? .? . Another day, another (yawn) hack in sunny California Alex Walker ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Sep 27 11:44:03 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:44:03 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Ritter, Ellsberg focus on Iran Message-ID: <46FBF9F3.7070505@earthlink.net> Both Scott Ritter and Daniel Ellsberg focus on the possible attack on Iran. FWIW, I agree that at this point preventing an attack on Iran is more important. - - - Scott Ritter: "Iraq Will Have to Wait" (Iran is much more important) http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/27/4134/ "Neither Congress nor the American people (including the antiwar movement) have a plan or the gumption to confront President Bush in anything more than cosmetic fashion over the war in Iraq, and while those charged with oversight mill about looking to score cheap political points and/or save face, the administration continues its march toward conflict with Iran unimpeded." "Here's the danger: While the antiwar movement focuses its limited resources on trying to leverage real congressional opposition to the war in Iraq, which simply will not happen before the 2008 election, the Bush administration and its Democratic opponents will outflank the antiwar movement on the issue of Iran, pushing forward an aggressive agenda in the face of light or nonexistent opposition." "Of the two problems (the reality of Iraq, the potential of Iran), Iran is by far the more important." - - - Daniel Ellsberg: "This Coup and The Next One" http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/27/4131/ "I think nothing has higher priority than averting an attack on Iran, which I think will be accompanied by a further change in our way of governing here that in effect will convert us into what I would call a police state." "This is an unusual gang, even for Republicans. [But] I think that the successors to this regime are not likely to roll back the assault on the Constitution. They will take advantage of it, they will exploit it." "Averting Iran and averting a further coup in the face of a 9/11, another attack, is for right now, it can't be put off. It will take a kind of political and moral courage of which we have seen very little..." - - - So what does this mean for us? Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Sep 27 11:48:31 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:48:31 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reese Erlich on Iran tomorrow in Palo Alto Message-ID: <46FBFAFF.4080205@earthlink.net> "The Iran Agenda The Real Story of U.S. Policy and the Middle East Crisis" Friday, September 28 Reception 6:00 pm Public Lecture & Book Signing 7:30 pm Unitarian Universalist Church 505 E. Charleston Road, Palo Alto http://peaceandjustice.org/article.php?story=Reese_Erlich From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Sep 27 18:32:37 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Cynthia McKinney here next Thursday!!! Reception planned Message-ID: <1232.38.99.84.36.1190943157.squirrel@greens.org> Sanda Everette and a group of Cynthia McKinney supporters have set up a mini-tour talking tour of the Bay Area for the weekend after next (Oct 4th - 7th) Sanda called me and said that Cynthia McKinney will be arriving at the SJ airport next Th Oct 4th at noon. We will be dropping her off in San Mateo between 2-3p but in between we will look to have a little reception for her (probably at a restaurant). Jim Doyle is setting up a reception committee. Please contact him at 408/269-3299 or j.m.doyle (at) sbcglobal (dot) net . She'll be speaking at various engagements that weekend and as details arrive we'll post them here... Green is Connection! Drew ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Fwd: Run Cynthia, run....a movement to support Cynthia as a GP candidate for president From: "Sanda Everette" Will you forward this information to your Santa Clara list? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sanda Everette Date: Sep 27, 2007 6:42 AM Subject: Run Cynthia, run....a movement to support Cynthia as a GP candidate for president To: GPSMC Discussion I have been holding my tongue wanting to share some exciting news with you and have just been told I can tell you about it and the not quite finished web site. http://www.runcynthiarun.com/ Ever since the series of miscommunications, etc, that led to Cynthia McKinney saying that she was removing her name from the CA primary ballot, there has been a committee of folks, with me being one of them, working to get her to reconsider. There is now a series of events planned for just over a week for now in the SF Bay area for us to show our support. I hope many of you will be able to participate at one or more of the venues. (Note that to the best of my knowledge, Cynthia's name will be, or has been, submitted along with Ralph, and the other five candidates we voted on in Riverside, to the Secretary of State for inclusion on our GP primary ballot. They each have until the end of November to advise the SoS if they want their name removed from the ballot.) Also two days ago, on her own website http://www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com , there is a headline that says, "Cynthia Severs Ties with Democrats" -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. 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"Nixon's Jew Count: the Whole Story," by Timothy Noah, Slate, Sept. 26, 2007 Already pissed about the Pentagon Papers, Nixon and his yes-men go into a rage over Harold Goldstein, assistant commissioner of labor statistics, ?speaking the truth that a dip in the unemployment rate was a "statistical fluke." Tricky Dick discusses the matter with aide, Chuck Colson (today, a big "Christian Conservative" leader): ? Nixon: Well, listen, are they all Jews over there? Colson: Every one of them. Well, a couple of exceptions. Nixon: See my point? Colson: You know goddamn well they're out to kill us. The Great Republican "conservative" Leader continues: Nixon: All right, I want a look at any sensitive areas around where Jews are involved, Bob. See, the Jews are all through the government, and we have got to get in those areas. We've got to get a man in charge who is not Jewish to control the Jewish ... do you understand? Haldeman: I sure do. Nixon: The government is full of Jews. Second, most Jews are disloyal. You know what I mean? You have a [White House Counsel] Leonard Garment and a [National Security Adviser] Henry Kissinger and, frankly, a [White House speechwriter] William Safire, and, by God, they're exceptions. But Bob, generally speaking, you can't trust the bastards. They turn on you. Am I wrong or right? Haldeman: Their whole orientation is against you. In this administration, anyway. And they are smart. They have the ability to do what they want to do-which-is to hurt us. Hmmm. Imagine what it must be like to be William Safire or Leonard Garment and have the whole world know that you were, what we would call in the African-American community, a "boot-lickin' Uncle Tom" for a big Jew-hater. ?As for Henry Kissinger, well, we all know he made his own separate direct pact with the devil. ? Read More at: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/28/133418/396 ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Sep 28 13:07:20 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:07:20 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] References: <46F99FB0.8040307@freeshell.org> <2048.38.99.84.36.1190765767.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <46FD5EF8.8040102@earthlink.net> I truncated the URL I was given because it was so long, I think it was personalized, i.e. the website would assume I was the one who invoked it. But yes, I see that with the truncated version, you can't find the page I was talking about, which is kind of wierd. I sent an email to the ACLU, but I did not get a response. I don't know what else to tell you. Gerry Drew Johnson wrote: > I agree with Fred. Nevertheless I'd be happy to sign something on behalf > of the ACLU to follow up with this e-mail, but when I go to the web site I > don't find any action item that seems to correspond. Gerry if you could > please clarify... > > > Green is Connection! > > Drew > > > On Tue, September 25, 2007 16:54, Fred Duperrault wrote: > >>It is commendable what the ACLU is doing here. >> >>I have some questions, though. The leverage of all the ACLU supporters >>won't amount to much because most Democrats have shown reluctance to >>stand up to Bush. Who else will the liberal Democratic voters vote for >>but the Democrats who are talking a lot but not doing much? It won't be >>the Republicans, nor the Greens. >> >>Also, why hasn't the ACLU called for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney? >>By ignoring the constitutional means to protect the Constitution, >>Congress is, in fact, the Pelosi crowd is pardoning Cheney and Bush for >>their high crimes and misdemeanors. >> >>By capitulating to the "Deciders," the Democratic Party controlled House >>has condoned their violations of the Constitution. >> >>Will the ACLU membership throw its support to Kucinich if their >>Democrats continue to disappoint them? >> >>If they would, will the ACLU leadership go along? >> >>Hmmmmm, >> >>Fred >> >> >>FYI, >> >>Action from the ACLU... >> >>Gerry >> >> >>-------- Original Message -------- >>Subject: We Can't Wait >>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) >>From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >>Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >>Organization: ACLU >>To: gerrygras at earthlink.net >> >>**************************************** >>We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now >>http://action.aclu.org/ >>**************************************** >>Dear Gerald, >> >>It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up >>to the Bush Administration. >> >>Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a >>more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have >>a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going >>to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign >>demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our constitutional >>rights. >> >>With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on the >>record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the Constitution? >>And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four >>critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down >>Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. >> >>Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >>http://action.aclu.org/ >> >>Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the >>ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members >>of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper >>and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots >>pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming >>together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. >> >>Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press members >>of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, >>close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and >>fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows >>warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress >>acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more >>than half-million ACLU members to take action. >> >>So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >>Constitution? >>http://action.aclu.org/ >> >>We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running >>ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid >>demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following him >>blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that >>all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the >>Constitution. >> >>We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds >>of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our >>privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of >>that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this >>reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate came >>within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. >> >>With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take >>action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if we >>keep the pressure on. >> >>Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut >>down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. >>In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who >>care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress >>on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant >>Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. >> >>Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >>Constitution? >>http://action.aclu.org/ >> >>You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the >>Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you >>to participate in this critical campaign. >> >>Sincerely, >>Anthony D. Romero >>Executive Director >>ACLU >> >>P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member >>of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the Constitution. >>Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate >>commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of >>Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >>http://action.aclu.org/ >> >>Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the >>Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target >>the ones who haven't. >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> > > From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Sep 28 13:08:12 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:08:12 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack? References: <46F6E703.2050008@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <46FD5F2C.4010102@earthlink.net> So apparently there is general but not complete agreement that the response to a possible Iran attack should be to pursue impeachment. I agree that pursuing impeachment may help reduce the chance of an Iran attack. But considering the rate at which the impeachment process is moving and the rate at which the drums of war are beating, should other Iran specific action be taken? Gerry From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Sep 28 16:05:28 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] In-Reply-To: <46FD5EF8.8040102@earthlink.net> References: <46F99FB0.8040307@freeshell.org> <2048.38.99.84.36.1190765767.squirrel@greens.org> <46FD5EF8.8040102@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1206.38.99.84.36.1191020728.squirrel@greens.org> A way to deal with overly long URLs is to use the http://tinyurl.com service. That will reformat the URL into something short and usable. Could you re-send it with a shortened URL? If you still have the e-mail they sent you it should be retrievable. Thanks, Impeach for Peace! Drew On Fri, September 28, 2007 13:07, Gerry Gras wrote: > > I truncated the URL I was given because it was so long, > I think it was personalized, i.e. the website would assume > I was the one who invoked it. But yes, I see that with the > truncated version, you can't find the page I was talking > about, which is kind of wierd. > > I sent an email to the ACLU, but I did not get a response. > > I don't know what else to tell you. > > Gerry > > > Drew Johnson wrote: > >> I agree with Fred. Nevertheless I'd be happy to sign something on >> behalf >> of the ACLU to follow up with this e-mail, but when I go to the web site >> I >> don't find any action item that seems to correspond. Gerry if you could >> please clarify... >> >> >> Green is Connection! >> >> Drew >> >> >> On Tue, September 25, 2007 16:54, Fred Duperrault wrote: >> >>>It is commendable what the ACLU is doing here. >>> >>>I have some questions, though. The leverage of all the ACLU supporters >>>won't amount to much because most Democrats have shown reluctance to >>>stand up to Bush. Who else will the liberal Democratic voters vote for >>>but the Democrats who are talking a lot but not doing much? It won't be >>>the Republicans, nor the Greens. >>> >>>Also, why hasn't the ACLU called for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney? >>>By ignoring the constitutional means to protect the Constitution, >>>Congress is, in fact, the Pelosi crowd is pardoning Cheney and Bush for >>>their high crimes and misdemeanors. >>> >>>By capitulating to the "Deciders," the Democratic Party controlled House >>>has condoned their violations of the Constitution. >>> >>>Will the ACLU membership throw its support to Kucinich if their >>>Democrats continue to disappoint them? >>> >>>If they would, will the ACLU leadership go along? >>> >>>Hmmmmm, >>> >>>Fred >>> >>> >>>FYI, >>> >>>Action from the ACLU... >>> >>>Gerry >>> >>> >>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>Subject: We Can't Wait >>>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) >>>From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >>>Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >>>Organization: ACLU >>>To: gerrygras at earthlink.net >>> >>>**************************************** >>>We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now >>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>>**************************************** >>>Dear Gerald, >>> >>>It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up >>>to the Bush Administration. >>> >>>Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a >>>more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have >>>a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going >>>to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign >>>demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our constitutional >>>rights. >>> >>>With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on the >>>record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the Constitution? >>>And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four >>>critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down >>>Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. >>> >>>Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>> >>>Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the >>>ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members >>>of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper >>>and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots >>>pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming >>>together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. >>> >>>Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press members >>>of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, >>>close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and >>>fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows >>>warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress >>>acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more >>>than half-million ACLU members to take action. >>> >>>So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >>>Constitution? >>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>> >>>We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running >>>ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid >>>demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following him >>>blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that >>>all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the >>>Constitution. >>> >>>We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds >>>of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our >>>privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of >>>that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this >>>reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate came >>>within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. >>> >>>With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take >>>action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if we >>>keep the pressure on. >>> >>>Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut >>>down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. >>>In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who >>>care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress >>>on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant >>>Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. >>> >>>Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >>>Constitution? >>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>> >>>You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the >>>Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you >>>to participate in this critical campaign. >>> >>>Sincerely, >>>Anthony D. Romero >>>Executive Director >>>ACLU >>> >>>P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member >>>of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the Constitution. >>>Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate >>>commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of >>>Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>> >>>Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the >>>Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target >>>the ones who haven't. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>> >>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Sep 28 18:03:30 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Cynthia McKinney & Cindy Sheehan @ Beach Impeach #4, Oct 7th Message-ID: <1064.38.99.84.36.1191027810.squirrel@greens.org> Cynthia McKinney will be join in the Beach Impeach #4 event next Oct 7th in Berkeley! The "Draft Cynthia McKinney in 2008" California Team is bringing Cynthia McKinney to the SF Bay Area for a a mini speaking tour Oct 4th-7th. To find the details of the events go to http://www.runcynthiarun.com/ You can indicate your support for a McKinney Green Party 2008 presidential run on the page http://www.runcynthiarun.com/endorse_cynthia.html _________ Beach Impeach #4 Is Just Around the Corner! Join Special Guest Cindy Sheehan to Get Down for Impeachment! Submitted by Chip on Fri, 2007-09-28 17:01. Activism | Impeachment Event Details: BEACH IMPEACH #4 -- Sunday, Oct 7, 11 a.m. - 12:30 p.m., Cesar Chavez Park, Berkeley, California, featuring SPECIAL GUEST: Cindy Sheehan Details, signup: www.beachimpeach.org - Organizer Brad Newsham writes: Hello everyone, Busy, busy day. I?ve rented a second four-seater helicopter to send up on Oct 7, have lined up photographers, am arranging for insurance, inviting politicians and celebrities in addition to Cindy Sheehan -- who knows who may show up? With Cindy coming I?ve been able to talk with authority to the media, who are definitely interested. I?ve written new content for the website (it?ll be updated tomorrow), and created a flyer for the event. Everything?s looking good, I think. All we need now is another 1,300 or so people to register crowd. PLEASE REGISTER ? and/or invite people you know to register! If this weekend you are headed anywhere where there is a crowd, please consider passing out flyers. People WANT impeachment (last week a Zoby poll showed 31% of ALL Americans favor immediate impeachment of both Bush and Cheney)...People love hearing about, and seeing the photos of, Beach Impeach...And Cindy is so widely and hugely admired Please help me get the word out! THE WAVE Dream with me for a moment, please: We started this thing at Ocean Beach in San Francisco back in January. We went back in April and did it again -- bigger. And then we moved a couple of miles east, to Crissy Field, for another one just 10 days ago. And now we?re leaping the Bay, to Berkeley. If Beach Impeach #4 is the rockin? international media hit that I?m imagining, and that I am (and WE ALL are) definitely aiming for...well, what if it gained momentum? What if it turns out to be like The Wave -- going west to east across the country? Students in Sacramento might call: ?Hey, we saw your thing on TV -- we can do one of those outside the capitol here!? Mayor Rocky Anderson in Salt Lake City might think, ?How about doing a REALLY BIG one out there on the salt flats?? Organizers in Boulder, Colorado might want to do one with the mountains in the background. St. Louis will need one on the big grassy area alongside the Gateway Arch. And before you know it, we?ll be back in DC, on the Mall. And we?ll get that change in government that?s been so sadly denied us! Who is to say it can?t happen? Thanks for dreaming along with me -- all this this would never have happened without your support. THANK YOU! brad newsham at mac.com 415-305-8294 ---------------------- From: Sanda Everette Date: Sep 27, 2007 6:42 AM Subject: Run Cynthia, run....a movement to support Cynthia as a GP candidate for president To: GPSMC Discussion I have been holding my tongue wanting to share some exciting news with you and have just been told I can tell you about it and the not quite finished web site. http://www.runcynthiarun.com/ Ever since the series of miscommunications, etc, that led to Cynthia McKinney saying that she was removing her name from the CA primary ballot, there has been a committee of folks, with me being one of them, working to get her to reconsider. There is now a series of events planned for just over a week for now in the SF Bay area for us to show our support. I hope many of you will be able to participate at one or more of the venues. (Note that to the best of my knowledge, Cynthia's name will be, or has been, submitted along with Ralph, and the other five candidates we voted on in Riverside, to the Secretary of State for inclusion on our GP primary ballot. They each have until the end of November to advise the SoS if they want their name removed from the ballot.) Also two days ago, on her own website http://www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com , there is a headline that says, "Cynthia Severs Ties with Democrats" From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Sep 28 18:29:36 2007 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:29:36 -0700 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We Can't Wait] References: <46F99FB0.8040307@freeshell.org> <2048.38.99.84.36.1190765767.squirrel@greens.org> <46FD5EF8.8040102@earthlink.net> <1206.38.99.84.36.1191020728.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <46FDAA80.5030304@earthlink.net> The problem is not just that it is long, the problem is that I think it is likely that if you use it, it will think you are me, and I don't know what kind of problems that might cause. Gerry Drew Johnson wrote: > A way to deal with overly long URLs is to use the http://tinyurl.com > service. That will reformat the URL into something short and usable. > Could you re-send it with a shortened URL? If you still have the e-mail > they sent you it should be retrievable. > > Thanks, > > Impeach for Peace! > > Drew > > > On Fri, September 28, 2007 13:07, Gerry Gras wrote: > >>I truncated the URL I was given because it was so long, >>I think it was personalized, i.e. the website would assume >>I was the one who invoked it. But yes, I see that with the >>truncated version, you can't find the page I was talking >>about, which is kind of wierd. >> >>I sent an email to the ACLU, but I did not get a response. >> >>I don't know what else to tell you. >> >>Gerry >> >> >>Drew Johnson wrote: >> >> >>>I agree with Fred. Nevertheless I'd be happy to sign something on >>>behalf >>>of the ACLU to follow up with this e-mail, but when I go to the web site >>>I >>>don't find any action item that seems to correspond. Gerry if you could >>>please clarify... >>> >>> >>>Green is Connection! >>> >>>Drew >>> >>> >>>On Tue, September 25, 2007 16:54, Fred Duperrault wrote: >>> >>> >>>>It is commendable what the ACLU is doing here. >>>> >>>>I have some questions, though. The leverage of all the ACLU supporters >>>>won't amount to much because most Democrats have shown reluctance to >>>>stand up to Bush. Who else will the liberal Democratic voters vote for >>>>but the Democrats who are talking a lot but not doing much? It won't be >>>>the Republicans, nor the Greens. >>>> >>>>Also, why hasn't the ACLU called for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney? >>>>By ignoring the constitutional means to protect the Constitution, >>>>Congress is, in fact, the Pelosi crowd is pardoning Cheney and Bush for >>>>their high crimes and misdemeanors. >>>> >>>>By capitulating to the "Deciders," the Democratic Party controlled House >>>>has condoned their violations of the Constitution. >>>> >>>>Will the ACLU membership throw its support to Kucinich if their >>>>Democrats continue to disappoint them? >>>> >>>>If they would, will the ACLU leadership go along? >>>> >>>>Hmmmmm, >>>> >>>>Fred >>>> >>>> >>>>FYI, >>>> >>>>Action from the ACLU... >>>> >>>>Gerry >>>> >>>> >>>>-------- Original Message -------- >>>>Subject: We Can't Wait >>>>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:00:32 -0500 (CDT) >>>>From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >>>>Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" >>>>Organization: ACLU >>>>To: gerrygras at earthlink.net >>>> >>>>**************************************** >>>>We Can't Wait! Defend Freedom Now >>>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>>>**************************************** >>>>Dear Gerald, >>>> >>>>It's time for Congress to stop caving in and start standing up >>>>to the Bush Administration. >>>> >>>>Our "leaders" in Washington keep telling us to wait for a >>>>more politically expedient time to restore our freedoms. Well, I have >>>>a message for them: Don't Wait for '08! That's going >>>>to be the ACLU's rallying cry during our critical 100-day campaign >>>>demanding immediate action from Congress to restore our constitutional >>>>rights. >>>> >>>>With your help, we are going to put all 535 members of Congress on the >>>>record by asking a simple question - Will you defend the Constitution? >>>>And will you defend it now? Answering yes means standing up on four >>>>critical issues: ending warrantless wiretapping, shutting down >>>>Guantanamo Bay, restoring habeas corpus, and stopping torture. >>>> >>>>Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >>>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>>> >>>>Over the next 100 days, we'll bring the full force of the >>>>ACLU's membership and activist base to bear on targeted members >>>>of Congress who fail to defend freedom. This includes local newspaper >>>>and radio ads, billboards and online strategies, and grassroots >>>>pressure both online and offline with millions of Americans coming >>>>together to demand action on these fundamental freedoms. >>>> >>>>Our legislative advocates will work behind the scenes to press members >>>>of Congress to commit to key legislation to restore habeas corpus, >>>>close Guantanamo Bay, reverse the Military Commissions Act and >>>>fix the so-called "Protect America Act" that allows >>>>warrantless searches of innocent Americans. And, every time Congress >>>>acts -- or fails to act -- we'll mobilize our more >>>>than half-million ACLU members to take action. >>>> >>>>So, please, ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >>>>Constitution? >>>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>>> >>>>We've already fired the first salvo in this campaign by running >>>>ads in the hometown newspapers of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid >>>>demanding they stop acting like the President's sheep by following him >>>>blindly. That was only the beginning. Now, we're insisting that >>>>all members of Congress do the right thing and defend the >>>>Constitution. >>>> >>>>We've already put Congress on notice. They heard from hundreds >>>>of thousands of angry activists when they failed to protect our >>>>privacy by passing August's FISA-gutting legislation. Because of >>>>that outcry, Congress is now claiming that they'll fix this >>>>reckless legislation before it sunsets. And last week, the Senate came >>>>within four votes of passing legislation to restore habeas corpus. >>>> >>>>With your help, there is a very real chance that Congress will take >>>>action to restore the Constitution in the next 100 days but only if we >>>>keep the pressure on. >>>> >>>>Don't Wait for '08 to end warrantless wiretapping, shut >>>>down Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and stop torture. >>>>In the weeks and months ahead, this must be the agenda of those who >>>>care about freedom. And, if we are going to produce genuine progress >>>>on that agenda, we must create unrelenting pressure on a recalcitrant >>>>Congress to act now -- Don't Wait for '08. >>>> >>>>Now's the time. Ask your member of Congress: Will you defend the >>>>Constitution? >>>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>>> >>>>You know what's at stake if we prolong restoring the >>>>Constitution any longer. That's why I know we can count on you >>>>to participate in this critical campaign. >>>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Anthony D. Romero >>>>Executive Director >>>>ACLU >>>> >>>>P.S. The ACLU is going for broke. We won't let a single member >>>>of Congress off the hook when it comes to abandoning the Constitution. >>>>Our Don't Wait for '08 campaign needs your immediate >>>>commitment. Please take a few minutes now to ask your member of >>>>Congress: Will you defend the Constitution? >>>>http://action.aclu.org/ >>>> >>>>Then, watch for updates on which Members of Congress have made the >>>>Commitment to the Constitution and news of how you can help us target >>>>the ones who haven't. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> > > From JamBoi at Greens.org Sat Sep 29 15:09:13 2007 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Santa Cruz Personal Rapid Transit film Message-ID: <49534.68.183.64.91.1191103753.squirrel@greens.org> Maybe we can get these folks to come up and do a presentation for us! This is right along the lines of what Rob Means was talking about at the showing of "Who Killed the Electric Car" that he facilitated and that the East Valley Greens hosted a few Fridays back. Green is Core! Drew http://dumpmarkolson.blogspot.com/2007/06/green-party-prt-movie-premiere-in-santa.html PERSONAL RAPID TRANSIT (PRT) GOES TO GREEN. The Santa Cruz Green Party invites the public to join them at a free screening and presentation of the new Santa Cruz PRT film. This film shows all the possibilities of having PRT in Santa Cruz and answers all the questions about how and why it should happen here. The film and presentation is from Santa Cruzans for Personal Rapid Transit. There'll be a Q & A session afterwards. It happens Monday June 18, 7p.m. at London Nelson Community Center. -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness."