[Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack?

Fred Duperrault fredd at freeshell.org
Sun Sep 23 15:21:55 PDT 2007


In addition to Tian's response to Kaisha's concern that Impeachment 
would use up time and energy needed to head off a U.S. attack on Iran, 
I think impeachment would do more to deter the possibility of attacking 
Iran than to weaken the opposition to attacking. By allowing Bush and 
Cheney,the House Republicans and some Democrats  the convenience of not 
having to contend with the "crimes and misdemeanors" hanging over the 
administration's head, would be playing into the hands of their "Attack 
Iran" strategy.

When the mountains of impeachment evidence is laid out for Congress and 
the country to behold, a try for a pre-emptive attack would grease the 
skids.  That is, of course, if the Democrats have the guts to impeach 
and to vote "no" to starting a war with Iran.

Just as important, impeachment is a matter of Constitutional principle 
to bring Cheney and Bush to justice. Allowing them to go free of the 
charges would be a very dangerous precedent that would weaken the 
legislative and judicial branches while adding too much power to the 
executive branch. The drafters of the Constitution had experienced 
unbridled executive power and foresaw the possibility of attempts in 
future U.S, governments.

In some ways, authoritarian government is already in effect.  Let's not 
wait until after the '08 elections to deal with it.

Fred


I notice that they went from sword brandishing on Iraq to actually
attacking in much less than two years. For contrast they seem to talk
endlessly about attacking Iran but nothing happens. I think attacking
Iran would be dumb, but Bush has done other dumb things.

Regardless of the Administrations plans for Iran, they have committed
war crimes. Impeachment is a good start on stopping that. Impeachment
really takes only a few weeks to really set up. The problem is that it
also takes political will. How do we convince the incumbents they need
to impeach to keep their own seats? It baffles me. I'm listening for
good ideas.

What have I done lately? Last week I got a stack of those "Impeach
Cheney first" bills that Carol had made. I'm learning how to work them
into talking to people. Hopefully I can make a few Congress critters
phones ring a few times before too much time passes.

On the make the incumbents feel a cold wind front: Cindy Shehan seems to
be gearing up for a run against Pelosi. If you have any bright ideas
about how to get San Francisco to vote for her those would be good to.
What encourages me is that she is planing to run a DTS campaign, meaning
not as a Republicrat by any stretch of the imagination.

Tian

Kaisha Torres wrote:
> In reality, how long does an impeachment process take? I ask because I am
> genuinely confused about the most effective way to protest this and the
> possibility of war against Iran is terrifying to me. Although impeachment
> proceedings would certainly distract the administration from Iran, we don't
> yet have
> Impeachment resolutions made by members of the House of Representatives to
> be turned over to the House Judiciary Committee. Once that happens, delays
> can occur before the vote in order to investigate the resolutions. With 487
> days remaining (plenty of time to start a war) is there enough time to get
> into the House Judiciary and all the way through to the Senate trial? While
> nothing would please me more than impeachment, if it is not logistically
> possible, I would prefer to focus my attention on preventing another war
> through other means. I am curious to hear what others have to say.
> 
> Stop future wars now,
> Kaisha
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org
> [mailto:sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org]On Behalf Of Drew Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:05 PM
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] What to do about possible Iran attack?
> 
> 
> Impeachment is needed NOW!  Impeach Cheney first.  Through the Silicon
> Valley Impeachment Coalition we've been hard at work on this issue.  We
> (Gerry and Fred, me and 2 others) met directly with Anna Eshoo last Friday
> on this very issue.  She was in (not total, but significant) denial about
> the magnitude of the clear and present danger that Cheney-Bush represent
> particularly in regards to their intentions towards Iran.
> 
> 
> Impeach for Peace!
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> On Thu, September 20, 2007 10:02, Gerry Gras wrote:
>> I keep hearing that the Bush Administration
>> is pushing for an attack on Iran due to its
>> possible nuclear activity.  Considering the
>> fact that no WMD were found in Iran, this
>> administration should have 0 credibility on
>> this issue.
>>
>> Yet I see little action in this country in
>> opposition to Iran.  We may see an occasional
>> sign at various events, but not much.
>>
>> Am I missing something?  In my opinion, an
>> attack on Iran would be a disaster.  Why is
>> there not more opposition?
>>
>> And if you agree that there should be more
>> opposition, what should be done?
>>
>> I plan to at least send more letters to my
>> reps.  But that's not enough.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
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