From andid at cagreens.org  Tue Jul  1 07:35:45 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:35:45 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Tesla Announces their Model S Sedan!
Message-ID: <9EBDC6D2-345D-4820-933E-FF5C50A64CCA@cagreens.org>

It will be built in SF Bay Area!
Coming in two years!

We should thank CA's Treasurer Bill Lockyer for brokering the deal  
with Tesla and keeping the company here.  (Governor Terminator  
doesn't require any thanks in light of his part in vetoing clean air  
standards and publicizing Hummers.)

See story below:

> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/30/ 
> BATH11GGP2.DTL
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From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  1 10:27:34 2008
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Taiwan Green Party activist starts Fairtrade shop
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1214420405.23869.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <656467.55274.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hsu Wen-yen wanted to have a Fairtrade Labelling Organization (FLO) International-certified shop in the Republic of China (Taiwan) and started to contact the FLO
International head office in 2006, only to find that the road before
him was "long and winding." After many twists and turns, he
obtained an FLO business license Dec. 7, 2007, issued by the FLO head
office after it found that Hsu is a member of Taiwan's Green Party with
a strong commitment to environmental protection and wildlife
conservation efforts...




The rest of the article may be found at http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/%20business/2008/06/30/163248/First%2Dcertified.htm




Note: The Taiwan Green Party should not be confused with the Pan Green Alliance.





      
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul  1 11:12:05 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:12:05 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] proposed agenda for 7/2/2008
Message-ID: <486A7375.1050600@sbcglobal.net>

Green Party of Santa Clara County
Proposed Agenda for Wednesday July 2-nd 2008

Selection of Facilitator, Notetaker(hardest job), Timekeeper, Vibes 
Watcher 5 min
Introductions, Announcements, Finalizing Agenda 15 min

Tabling Schedule for July 4-th weekend

Fundraising ?Mailing Party ? [tentative]

Treasurer's report:

Reports from County Council
Picnic (Caroline)
VTA (Merriam)
Friday night movie (?)
Populate working groups ( Drew)

Carol Brouillet campaign:

Peter Myers campaign:

Proposal: Agenda and meeting modifications

Reports:
Locals (activities)
Recruiting (E.Brown slate delegates)
Impeachment report

Total time: TBD



From JamBoi at Greens.org  Tue Jul  1 19:55:24 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:55:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: Re: impeach bush letter -- an answer to your
 charges - Impeachment 101
Message-ID: <2183.38.99.84.36.1214967324.squirrel@www.greens.org>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [Outreach-cmte] [Fwd: Re: impeach bush letter -- an answer to
your charges] - Impeachment 101
From:    "Alan Kobrin" <alank at spotgrafix.com>
Date:    Sat, June 28, 2008 11:30
To:      "OutReach" <Outreach-cmte at gp-us.org>
Cc:      "Rebecca Tobias" <rebeccatobias at gmail.com>
         "Scott McLarty" <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
         "Brent McMillan" <Brent at gp.org>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

It may well be a waste of time, but I decided to answer this comment
sent by one reactionary reader.

In any case it was good practice to summarize the impeachment arguments.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: impeach bush letter -- an answer to your charges
Date: 	Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:21:08 -0400
From: 	Alan Kobrin <alank at spotgrafix.com>
Reply-To: 	alank at spotgrafix.com
To: 	sfic at southfloridaimpeachmentcoalition.org



Mr. Dziadik,

In reference to my letter about impeachment and censorship published in
the Jan. 28, 2008 Miami Herald, you admonished me "not [to] waste
newspaper space with such dribble." I think the word you wanted is
drivel. Aside from the personal insult which is not so important, there
is a very major principle you seem to be missing.

I wish I knew how to make you SEE, so please indulge me, and follow this
through. It will be worth your time.

1- America IS its Constitution. Without it, we have nothing special to
offer this planet. It is what set this "land of the free" apart
historically, why we call ourselves the "great experiment in democracy
(laws made by the people)". It is what spelled out the basis for a
democratic society, that which George Bush claims to be sending people
to kill and die for on the other side of the world.

2- Built into that Constitution is a self-defense mechanism, the process
of impeachment (basically a congressional accusation, which could lead
to a trial). It was written there in order to prevent and deal with
possible abuses of power or breaches of the Constitution.

3- The President, the Congress, and the Armed Forces ALL make an Oath to
that Constitution, not to the president, not to a political party, not
to a flag, but to the Constitution, to defend it against "all enemies,
foreign and domestic."

4- If, when an abuse seems apparent, as is the case of the George Bush
administration (whether you agree with that notion or not), impeachment
is called for to look into the case to see whether such abuse has really
gone on. Conservative elements used impeachment against Bill Clinton for
absolutely frivolous reasons, in order not only to harass and hinder him
and attempt to remove a political opponent from office, but also to get
the public to "see" impeachment as a mere political partisan tool
(instead of the safeguard of our Constitution that it is)--so it would
not likely ever be used against them in the future. Indeed, it seems
they succeeded in sullying the use of Impeachment itself.

5- If, in cases of seeming great abuse, impeachment is not called upon
(as required by our Constitution), then:
    a. our Constitution becomes "defenseless", and loses its means of
protection from abuse
    b. our Congress, by not invoking impeachment, violates its Oath of
Office to defend that Constitution, and becomes complicit in possible
wrong-doing
    c. The Constitution might never be protected again, and thus,
effectively America, as we know it, will have DIED, never to be
resurrected again as it was...and all our officials will have breached
their Oaths to defend it. The backbone of America will be broken.

So, those who say impeachment is wrong, or that there is not enough
time, are effectively allowing America to commit suicide, never to to
have that dream again. They will have done more damage to the US (and
the world) than any Al Queda or other foreign-based enemy ever could do.
It wouldn't matter any more what happens with America's wars abroad. Our
security (the constitutional basis for our society) will have been
severely breached, and the war at home will be LOST, our freedoms lost.

Spying, torture, no habeus corpus, preemptive wars, illegal unlimited
detention, infiltration of civic groups, censorship, accusing political
opposition of being "terrorists," etc....does this sound like the USA
you and I know? Sounds kinda like the ol' Soviet Union, doesn't it? I
don't know about you, but I don't want a dictatorship implanted here. I
want an ever-more-perfected democracy.

George Bush has been quoted as calling the Constitution, "that goddamned
piece of paper." THAT UTTERANCE, alone, is a violation of the inaugural
Oath of Office he took, and the document he swore to defend; it makes
him unfit to continue in that office, and should land him in the street.

There is no higher political or moral duty at this time for REAL
patriots to do their duty as it is required by law, by our Constitution,
to impeach. There simply ARE NO higher priorities than to save America's
Laws and Life.

So, NO, sir, to pretend there are more important things to do in
Congress during Bush's last six months, is to willingly stick one's head
in the sand while America dies an ignoble death. Do you want that on
your conscience? Is THAT the legacy you wish to give your children? Or
might you rather have them be proud to be part of a nation that knew how
to REALLY defend itself from abuse--and not just with bombs and
bullets--but rather, with the Supreme Law of the Land, the US Constitution.

Before you jump to conclusions and make emotional charges against those
who care deeply about the future of our nation, I suggest you actually
READ the 35 charges
<http://southfloridaimpeachmentcoalition.org/resolutions/bush_impeach.pdf>
by Kucinich (no matter what physical height or looks he might have) and
be able to deny all 35 of them. In any case, America has the right, the
need, the Constitutional obligation, to look into such allegations for
their merit. Any single one of them, if proven true, is grounds for
impeachment as written in our Constitution, which, the last time I
looked, still reigns as the supreme law in our land.

Yours, with due respect,

Alan Kobrin

PS-
The only connection between the impeachment charges and effort to get
hearings (currently supported by a number of Democratic congresspeople,
including Florida's Wexler) and the Green Party, is that our Party
looked at the evidence (and there is an astonishing amount), and has
been calling for impeachment of Bush & Cheney since 2003. We are glad
that finally others in our nation have seen the seriousness of what has
happened to the land we love, and are beginning to demand that Law be
followed and our Constitution be secured so that We, the People, can be
truly secure.

If our Party is "not taken seriously" it is to a great degree because
those in the two major parties (whom you apparently DO take seriously),
in clearly anti-democratic actions and to the detriment of open public
debate on the issues, prevent our group and other parties from access to
public debates and the media.


statesmc at bellsouth.net wrote:

> Dear Sir,
>
>      After reading you editorial in the Miami Herald I realize why
> your party is not taken seriously. There was a reason why no one was
> on the floor in Congress and why neither the press nor the public
> cared about the little troll like person called Kucinich wasted his
> time and taxpayers money by bringing up charges of impeachment.
>  Whether you support OUR PRESIDENT or not, and obviously you do not,
> President Bush will be leaving office in 6 months. Your idea to waste
> Congress's and the Senate's time on impeachment when there is so many
> more important issues to deal with and the fact impeachment would take
> more time then the President has in office, is just assinine. It is
> time for this country to heal and come together to solve our problems
> of today, not waste it's time or energy on ripping it apart on a dead
> issue. Please, if your going to write letters to the editor, do not
> waste newspaper space with such dribble.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bob Dziadik



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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Tue Jul  1 21:12:36 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:12:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] proposed agenda for 7/2/2008
In-Reply-To: <486A7375.1050600@sbcglobal.net>
References: <486A7375.1050600@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <2230.38.99.84.36.1214971956.squirrel@www.greens.org>

My whole suggestion was to have the talk near the beginning.  Therefore I
request we move Carol's talk to just after the treasurer's report and move
the tabling and fundraising to after that.  Put some sugar right up front
-- don't bury it after what should be working group and committee work.


Green is Care!

Drew

On Tue, July 1, 2008 11:12, Jim Doyle wrote:
> Green Party of Santa Clara County
> Proposed Agenda for Wednesday July 2-nd 2008
>
> Selection of Facilitator, Notetaker(hardest job), Timekeeper, Vibes
> Watcher 5 min
> Introductions, Announcements, Finalizing Agenda 15 min
>
> Tabling Schedule for July 4-th weekend
>
> Fundraising ?Mailing Party ? [tentative]
>
> Treasurer's report:
>
> Reports from County Council
> Picnic (Caroline)
> VTA (Merriam)
> Friday night movie (?)
> Populate working groups ( Drew)
>
> Carol Brouillet campaign:
>
> Peter Myers campaign:
>
> Proposal: Agenda and meeting modifications
>
> Reports:
> Locals (activities)
> Recruiting (E.Brown slate delegates)
> Impeachment report
>
> Total time: TBD
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>




From tnharter at aceweb.com  Tue Jul  1 23:37:43 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:37:43 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] proposed agenda for 7/2/2008
In-Reply-To: <2230.38.99.84.36.1214971956.squirrel@www.greens.org>
References: <486A7375.1050600@sbcglobal.net>
	<2230.38.99.84.36.1214971956.squirrel@www.greens.org>
Message-ID: <486B2237.2030403@aceweb.com>

Don't we need to confirm that we have indeed moved our meeting to the 
1st Wednesday?

Drew Johnson wrote:
> My whole suggestion was to have the talk near the beginning.  Therefore I
> request we move Carol's talk to just after the treasurer's report and move
> the tabling and fundraising to after that.  Put some sugar right up front
> -- don't bury it after what should be working group and committee work.
> 
> 
> Green is Care!
> 
> Drew
> 
> On Tue, July 1, 2008 11:12, Jim Doyle wrote:
>> Green Party of Santa Clara County
>> Proposed Agenda for Wednesday July 2-nd 2008
>>
>> Selection of Facilitator, Notetaker(hardest job), Timekeeper, Vibes
>> Watcher 5 min
>> Introductions, Announcements, Finalizing Agenda 15 min
>>
>> Tabling Schedule for July 4-th weekend
>>
>> Fundraising ?Mailing Party ? [tentative]
>>
>> Treasurer's report:
>>
>> Reports from County Council
>> Picnic (Caroline)
>> VTA (Merriam)
>> Friday night movie (?)
>> Populate working groups ( Drew)
>>
>> Carol Brouillet campaign:
>>
>> Peter Myers campaign:
>>
>> Proposal: Agenda and meeting modifications
>>
>> Reports:
>> Locals (activities)
>> Recruiting (E.Brown slate delegates)
>> Impeachment report
>>
>> Total time: TBD
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added Friday's SF Critical Mass pictures and commentary.


From mkmusic at greens.org  Wed Jul  2 03:15:30 2008
From: mkmusic at greens.org (Merriam Kathaleen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:15:30 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment demonstration Thursday,
	7/3 at Zoe Lofgren's office
Message-ID: <486B5542.4040209@greens.org>

Hi All,

This week only we will be at Representative Zoe Lofgren's office on 
Thursday 7/3 from 3p-6p.  Friday is the Fourth of July and her office is 
not open.

This is our 34th consecutive week. After SVIC's meeting with Zoe this 
week we really need to be her conscience.  Come out and hold IMPEACHMENT 
signs proudly. No matter what Zoe's decision is on impeachment hearings 
we will continue to show her "We The People" demand
Bush and Cheney's accountability through IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS!!!

Please join us this Thursday, 7/3 in front of Lofgren's office from 
3:00pm - 6:00pm.  We want a large presence demanding she "*DO HER 
JOB*."  Zoe's office is at 635 N. 1st St., San Jose. (Between Taylor & 
Jackson St. across from the IHOP restaurant/Light Rail stop is corner of 
Jackson St on 1st St.)  We want to be loud and proud for Impeachment 
hearings for Cheney and Bush.

SEE YOU THERE.

Thanks,
Merriam
Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition
mkmusic03 at aol.com
408-482-6032 (Cell)
svimpeach.org








From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  2 13:17:57 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:17:57 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Christopher Hitchens gets Waterboarded: "Believe
	Me, it's Torture"
Message-ID: <BAY115-W37F017B542004F4A4D64AA9E990@phx.gbl>


 







	
	Believe Me, It?s Torture
	What more
	can be added to the debate over U.S. interrogation methods, and
	whether waterboarding is torture? Try firsthand experience. The
	author undergoes the controversial drowning technique, at the hands
	of men who once trained American soldiers to resist?not
	inflict?it.
	by
	Christopher Hitchens August 2008 
	

Here is the most chilling way I can
find of stating the matter. Until recently, ?waterboarding? was
something that Americans did to other Americans. It was inflicted,
and endured, by those members of the Special Forces who underwent the
advanced form of training known as sere (Survival, Evasion,
Resistance, Escape). In these harsh exercises, brave men and women
were introduced to the sorts of barbarism that they might expect to
meet at the hands of a lawless foe who disregarded the Geneva
Conventions. But it was something that Americans were being trained
to resist, not to inflict.
Exploring this narrow but deep
distinction, on a gorgeous day last May I found myself deep in the
hill country of western North Carolina, preparing to be surprised by
a team of extremely hardened veterans who had confronted their
country?s enemies in highly arduous terrain all over the world.
They knew about everything from unarmed combat to enhanced
interrogation and, in exchange for anonymity, were going to show me
as nearly as possible what real waterboarding might be like.
 It goes without saying that I
knew I could stop the process at any time, and that when it was all
over I would be released into happy daylight rather than returned to
a darkened cell. But it?s been well said that cowards die many
times before their deaths, and it was difficult for me to completely
forget the clause in the contract of indemnification that I had
signed. This document (written by one who knew) stated revealingly:
?Water boarding? is a
potentially dangerous activity in which the participant can receive
serious and permanent (physical, emotional and psychological)
injuries and even death, including injuries and death due to the
respiratory and neurological systems of the body.



http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808


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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul  2 21:42:01 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:42:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Regional Picnic, Sat Aug 9th,
	Sunnyvale Murphy Park
Message-ID: <51286.66.159.228.19.1215060121.squirrel@greens.org>

Join us for our Regional summer picnic

The Annual San Mateo/Santa Clara Green Party Potluck Picnic will be held
this year on August 9th at Murphy Park, 250 N. Sunnyvale Avenue, in
Sunnyvale. Our table is right next to the horseshoe area. Bring something
to share and your horseshoes! 11A to 4P. All are welcome.

WHEN: Saturday, 9th Aug 11A - 4P
WHERE: Murphy Park, 250 Sunnyvale Ave, Sunnyvale
MAP:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=san+jose+4th+of+july&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

MASS TRANSIT OPTIONS:
2 blocks from Caltrain Sunnyvale Station
55 VTA bus line runs to park, 54, 53, 32 runs to Caltrain station (2
blocks away).
Note: Light Rail is within cycling distance

BIKE AND AUTO:
Near following East-West Roads:
Near El Camino, California Avenue,
Between Maude, Evelyn
Near Central Expressway

Near following North-South Roads:
Close to Mathilda and Fair Oaks exits off 101 highway.
Near Wolfe



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  2 21:47:13 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:47:13 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Betancourt Freed
Message-ID: <486C59D1.3080703@earthlink.net>


     http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/02/10062/

Gerry



From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul  2 21:56:23 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:56:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Meeting Notes for GPSC General Meeting 7/02/08
Message-ID: <56916.66.159.228.19.1215060983.squirrel@greens.org>

Green Party of Santa Clara County
Meeting Notes Wednesday July 2-nd 2008

GPSC General Meeting Minutes 7-02-08

Fundraising ?Mailing Party ? was done before and during meeting.

Start of formal meeting: 8p

Present: Tian Harter, Drew Johnson, Carol Brouillet, Andrea Dorey,
Caroline Yacoub, Paul Coe,  Debbie Campbell, Peter Meyers, Jim Doyle,
Warner Bloomberg, Fred Dupperault,

Facilitator: Tian Harter
vibes: Peter Meyers
Time keeper:  Peter Meyers

Selection of Facilitator, Notetaker(hardest job), Timekeeper, Vibes
Watcher 5 min
Introductions, Announcements, Finalizing Agenda 15 min

Tabling Schedule for July 4-th weekend

Carol Brouillet for Congress talk:
Tian asked her to run for congress, LoWV threw her out of a debate because
she wanted to raise substantive issues. Jan 2002, first march for 9/11
Truth
Hyperactivist, media activist, Deception, Conception, Perception dollars. 
Trying to establish balance between activism and rest of life. Truth
Movement is broad ? truth is healing.  Change direction of country and
world.  ?Real ID?, North American Union.

Peter Myers for Congress talk:
Has lived many places but grew up in Los Gatos, Campbell, Boston U
Journalism and International Relations, 9-11 in first two weeks of
college.  Instinctively saw war buildup as dumb idea.  Very influenced by
Howard Zinn ? saw him speak several times.  Peace Corps in Moldova, taught
computer on 1997.  Met many former Soviet military veterans.  Roadtrip
through south east to New Orleans.  Misplaced government priorities, even
in ?Bush country? ?red states? people were sick of the war. 2006 Dems
claimed they were going to defund the war and then caved.  When he saw
Dems B.S. Peter started thinking about running for congress.  Honda not a
bad guy but doesn't seem to get big picture ? stop war.  Ripple out new
ideas, influence people, research issues and get clarity on issues. 
Organizing house parties in July.

Treasurer's report:
approx. $960 in bank,
+ $100  fundraising from Jim Doyle,
(+ $86 in kind contribution from Carol),
+ $86 from Peter's campaign around $450
Outstanding:
- $140
- $215 to Tian for mailing materials

4th of July 3 day America Festival tabling arrangements (Tian):

Reports from County Council:
Picnic (Caroline):  Saturday August 9th; Murphy Park, Sunnyvale,
California and Sunnyvale Ave. Caltrain 2 blocks away, 55 bus goes right
by, 32 nearby.  11-4;  Caroline to reserve at 9AM; wants additional folks
for will need canopy for shade;
horseshoes, BBQ, lawn, lawn bowling, croquet

Gas Station protests, encouraging use of VTA/Caltrain (Merriam):
Friday night movie (Merriam):
Populate working groups ( Drew):

Reports:
Locals ? activities (Drew):
Recruiting E.Brown slate delegates (Drew); Want help
Impeachment report (Merriam, Fred)
  Meeting that happened w/ Lofgren (Merriam);
  Mountain View ();

Proposal: Agenda and meeting modifications (Drew -- didn't really get to
this item)

close 9:50



From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Jul  2 23:23:41 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 23:23:41 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Meeting Notes for GPSC General Meeting 7/02/08
In-Reply-To: <56916.66.159.228.19.1215060983.squirrel@greens.org>
References: <56916.66.159.228.19.1215060983.squirrel@greens.org>
Message-ID: <EB930DD1-83A1-43DE-AAB5-ADBBBB50F312@cagreens.org>

Awesome, Drew!  Great work.
Andrea

On Jul 2, 2008, at 9:56 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
> Green Party of Santa Clara County
> Meeting Notes Wednesday July 2-nd 2008
>
> GPSC General Meeting Minutes 7-02-08
>
> Fundraising ?Mailing Party ? was done before and during meeting.
>
> Start of formal meeting: 8p
>
> Present: Tian Harter, Drew Johnson, Carol Brouillet, Andrea Dorey,
> Caroline Yacoub, Paul Coe,  Debbie Campbell, Peter Meyers, Jim Doyle,
> Warner Bloomberg, Fred Dupperault,
>
> Facilitator: Tian Harter
> vibes: Peter Meyers
> Time keeper:  Peter Meyers
>
> Selection of Facilitator, Notetaker(hardest job), Timekeeper, Vibes
> Watcher 5 min
> Introductions, Announcements, Finalizing Agenda 15 min
>
> Tabling Schedule for July 4-th weekend
>
> Carol Brouillet for Congress talk:
> Tian asked her to run for congress, LoWV threw her out of a debate  
> because
> she wanted to raise substantive issues. Jan 2002, first march for 9/11
> Truth
> Hyperactivist, media activist, Deception, Conception, Perception  
> dollars.
> Trying to establish balance between activism and rest of life. Truth
> Movement is broad ? truth is healing.  Change direction of country and
> world.  ?Real ID?, North American Union.
>
> Peter Myers for Congress talk:
> Has lived many places but grew up in Los Gatos, Campbell, Boston U
> Journalism and International Relations, 9-11 in first two weeks of
> college.  Instinctively saw war buildup as dumb idea.  Very  
> influenced by
> Howard Zinn ? saw him speak several times.  Peace Corps in Moldova,  
> taught
> computer on 1997.  Met many former Soviet military veterans.  Roadtrip
> through south east to New Orleans.  Misplaced government  
> priorities, even
> in ?Bush country? ?red states? people were sick of the war. 2006 Dems
> claimed they were going to defund the war and then caved.  When he saw
> Dems B.S. Peter started thinking about running for congress.  Honda  
> not a
> bad guy but doesn't seem to get big picture ? stop war.  Ripple out  
> new
> ideas, influence people, research issues and get clarity on issues.
> Organizing house parties in July.
>
> Treasurer's report:
> approx. $960 in bank,
> + $100  fundraising from Jim Doyle,
> (+ $86 in kind contribution from Carol),
> + $86 from Peter's campaign around $450
> Outstanding:
> - $140
> - $215 to Tian for mailing materials
>
> 4th of July 3 day America Festival tabling arrangements (Tian):
>
> Reports from County Council:
> Picnic (Caroline):  Saturday August 9th; Murphy Park, Sunnyvale,
> California and Sunnyvale Ave. Caltrain 2 blocks away, 55 bus goes  
> right
> by, 32 nearby.  11-4;  Caroline to reserve at 9AM; wants additional  
> folks
> for will need canopy for shade;
> horseshoes, BBQ, lawn, lawn bowling, croquet
>
> Gas Station protests, encouraging use of VTA/Caltrain (Merriam):
> Friday night movie (Merriam):
> Populate working groups ( Drew):
>
> Reports:
> Locals ? activities (Drew):
> Recruiting E.Brown slate delegates (Drew); Want help
> Impeachment report (Merriam, Fred)
>   Meeting that happened w/ Lofgren (Merriam);
>   Mountain View ();
>
> Proposal: Agenda and meeting modifications (Drew -- didn't really  
> get to
> this item)
>
> close 9:50
>
> _______________________________________________
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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Jul  3 12:16:50 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:16:50 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Minutes from General Meeting in June...
Message-ID: <33FF6CEF-D190-4522-96B4-4794915214CC@cagreens.org>

I guess I should have sent these out online; I handed out hardcopies  
at the meeting last night.
Those of you who weren't there missed a heck of great meeting!  (See  
Drew's minutes for July 2nd already online.)

Hope you can come next time to see what a great job the "newbies" on  
the SCC County Council are doing and how this is affecting even our  
SCC General Meeting.  Lots of great energy and fun stuff happening!

Join us for the next meeting on August 6th at the San Jose Peace  
Center and the Regional Picnic on August 9th at Murphy Park!
Andrea

---------------------------------------

Minutes ? Green Party Santa Clara County, San Jose Peace Center, June  
5th

Meeting in session:  7:44 pm
Selection of functionaries: Facilitator, Tian; Notetaker, Andrea;  
Timekeeper, Drew ; Vibes Keeper, Fred
Others present: Gerry, Dana, Jim D, Jody, Warner, Cameron, Jim S,  
Merriam

Introductions and announcements...[the following is reconstructed  
from a lost document]

Warner announced memorial for Dave Wald on July 13;
Fred asked for 3 items to be added to agenda. Consensus: yes, if time  
to do them.
Items were: Growing Green with positive visibility; how to boost Pres  
candidate; how UN can contribute to global sustainability.

Fundraising: need $2000 by September 1st for newsletter mailing?Drew  
reported.
Warner estimated that $300 was made from the yard sale at his house.
Suggested events: pancake breakfast (Drew), another yard sale, a  
monthly backyard party (Dana), etc. Jim S mentioned San Mateo?s  
sustainer donations?maybe adopt that here?

Jim D report?Elaine Brown delegates (need 3); Drew volunteered to  
follow up.

Treasurer?s Report: bank access, $902; $83; $225; $1,044.  (Jim D &  
protem Cameron)

The hat was passed to collect the usual donations and to collect  
expected gifts from the new SCCcc members present.

SCCcc members present were introduced: top 7 elected were:  Carol  
Brouillet, Dana St. George, Caroline Yacoub, Tian Harter, Wes Rolley,  
Andrea Dorey, Jim Doyle.

Noted: of 4663 registered Greens, 916 (20%) voted; 55% by mail, 45%  
at polls.
SCCcc candidates who used the LWV website were: Dana, Caroline, Tian,  
Wes, suggesting that it is an effective tool for candidates.

The successful & fun Election Night party, reported by Tian; SMateo  
members also there.

National Meeting & Nominating Convention, July 10-13, Chicago:  
reporters, Warner/Jim S
There are still matters of controversy; reg fee is $225 with  
scholarships available. Planning to go: Cameron, Warner, Jim S, Drew,  
and possibly Peter Myers.

Warner: were Carol & Peter on the ballot due to ROV? Jim S: if so,  
law was broken; 1992 lawsuit to allow GP to do it our way. Jim D:  
yes. Jim S will draft complaint letter if needed.
No objections to this.

Events: Juneteenth volunteers include: Cameron, Jim S, Drew, Dana,  
Tian, Andrea, Valerie, etc., with several to march in the Gay Pride  
parade on Sunday.  We need literature to give out. Tian will contact  
the McKinney campaign to download their material. Cameron still has  
GP stuff, and will set up for the first day. Peter?s & Carol?s  
materials will be there too. Drew said canopy is broken again.

July 4th needs volunteers to sign up. Literature needed for all  
upcoming events.

Supplies: we need button stuff, new shirt design, updated GP issues.  
Discussion ensued about how much could be acquired in Chicago mtg/ 
convention. Delegates are empowered to view and buy some materials.  
$100? $50 each? Consensus was $100.
Email list uses: Warner/Jim S.  We need to review the proper use of  
these, especially multi-posting.

Warner: new council needs to decide the names that will be retained  
on meeting list: old members? advisors? etc.

Local activities: supporting campaigns. Reported by Drew.  McKinney,  
Carol, Peter.

Impeachment report, Merriam: So Bay Labor Council sending impeachment  
resolution; DFA will send letter to Lofgren?they?ve spent 29 weeks in  
front of her office.
Fred: Mtn View City Council is to issue impeachment resolution on  
June 24th;
Fred?s article appeared in Mtn View Voice urging that it is not too  
late to impeach.
Merriam reported on SClara Board of Sups;  also, Torrico and  
Cabellaro received impeachment proposal. A state proposition to  
Federal floor of Congress. Some Dems are following Pelosi:  
?Impeachment is not on the table.?

Fred outlined his 3 proposals: (1) Growing GP?more press releases,  
can we help other progressive groups, no time for forums for many  
people, how to attract attention, have a potluck?
Warner: we need a specific proposal.
Merriam: meet weekly, not monthly?
Fred: (2) how to boost Pres candidate?how to give McKinney more  
press, blogs?
Drew: use Green nexus site.
Warner: need to contact Pres candidate/two local candidates?schedule  
now, get committee, get candidates on board with dates.
Drew: Kent Mesplay campaign challenged other to a debate...
Fred: (3) How UN can contribute?start a Green World Congress of Green  
parties worldwide; send a resolution?  Drew volunteered to join Fred.

Merriam: gas station project?give out literature at stations while  
people are still enraged at cost of tank of gas; press releases to  
let people know which stations and to recruit volunteers to help.

Tian: next meeting on first Wednesday.  Warner expressed concern  
about abrupt decision.  Tian will conduct email poll.

Meeting adjourned at 10:10 pm
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Thu Jul  3 13:27:03 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:27:03 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Critical Mass in San Francisco
Message-ID: <486D3617.80301@aceweb.com>

The last Friday of the month, starting at 6 PM there has been a Critical 
Mass ride in San Francisco since the early 1990s. Ever since the police
and Mayor stopped trying to stamp it out it has started at Justin Herman
Plaza. I went last month, and took a batch of pictures you can see at:

http://tian.greens.org/SanFrancisco/CriticalMass/June08/index.html

The event has evolved a lot since I first took pictures at it, as has my
photography style:

http://tian.greens.org/CriticalMassPictures.html

Back then it didn't have a police escort, for one thing.

In other news, tomorrow is Independence Day. Happy 4th of July!
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added Friday's SF Critical Mass pictures and commentary.


From andi at wrytor.com  Thu Jul  3 13:38:43 2008
From: andi at wrytor.com (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:38:43 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] America Festival - July 4th NOTE the Schedule in
	SJ Merc...
Message-ID: <F8A24CBD-DAE6-4C6C-8315-A48EF15DAD3D@wrytor.com>

SJ Merc, Eye section, lists the times at the July 4th event as:

Friday, noon to 10:30 pm
Saturday, 3 to 10:30 pm
Sunday, noon to 9 pm

Free admission
Discovery Meadow, Woz Way and San Carlos



From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Jul  3 13:44:13 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:44:13 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: America Festival - July 4th NOTE the
	Schedule in SJ Merc...
References: <F8A24CBD-DAE6-4C6C-8315-A48EF15DAD3D@wrytor.com>
Message-ID: <A4D7A2BD-4280-48C1-A045-D248FAB6C94D@cagreens.org>

Sorry, wrong email address earlier...here's the one I should have  
used for this notice.
Andi

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Andrea Dorey <andi at wrytor.com>
> Date: July 3, 2008 1:38:43 PM PDT
> To: Green South Bay Discussion <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] America Festival - July 4th NOTE the  
> Schedule in SJ Merc...
>
> SJ Merc, Eye section, lists the times at the July 4th event as:
>
> Friday, noon to 10:30 pm
> Saturday, 3 to 10:30 pm
> Sunday, noon to 9 pm
>
> Free admission
> Discovery Meadow, Woz Way and San Carlos
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
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From fredd at freeshell.org  Thu Jul  3 15:47:42 2008
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:47:42 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [PEACE]  Attack on Iran]
Message-ID: <486D570E.1020205@freeshell.org>

Something well worth the time to read:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[PEACE] Attack on Iran
Date: 	Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:20:22 -0400
From: 	Hank Stone <hstone at rochester.rr.com>
To: 	Hank Stone <hstone at rochester.rr.com>



 
This strikes me as an unusually level-headed look at the war our 
government is threatening against Iran...
 
--------------------
 
Sent by James Christner  christ14482 at yahoo.com 
<mailto:christ14482 at yahoo.com>
 
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/15607
 

*The Coming Attack on Iran: *

*A Perfect Storm of Madness*

* *

*By Bernard Weiner*

*Co-Editor, The Crisis Papers*

* *

*July 1, 2008*

* *

 The question is not whether Iran will be attacked, but by whom and 
whether the bombing will commence within the next several months or 
shortly after the November election.

 

The U.S. for many months has made bellicose noises about thwarting 
Iran's nuclear ambitions with force -- complete with a virtual repeat of 
its pre-war propaganda campaign prior to "shock&awe" against Iraq. 
Israel is reported to have just carried out a military exercise 
practicing for an attack on Iran. Iran is letting it be known how 
destructive and unconventional its retaliation would be if it is bombed. 
What is going on?

 

Though one can decry it, at least one can understand why Israel, just a 
short missile flight from Iran, might want to take "pre-emptive" action 
against that country were it to possess nuclear-weapons capabilities. 
But what's driving the neocons in the White House to push so insistently 
for an attack on Iran?

 

It seems clear that Cheney and Bush want Iran's nascent civilian nuclear 
program taken out now before it could become operational in a military 
sense five or ten years down the road. If this is true, why would the 
Administration have wanted to attack Iraq?

 

For decades, you may remember, Iraq was the buffer between an ambitious, 
strengthening Iran and the West's strategic interests in the Middle 
East, and for that reason the U.S. under Reagan helped Saddam in his war 
against his country's Iranian neighbor. But with Iraq sinking into 
military/economic irrelevance after what Cheney and Bush have done to 
ruin that country, Iran not surprisingly is filling the political and 
military vacuum in that Islamic region of the Greater Middle East.

 

The neocons argue that if Iran is not stopped now, America will lose all 
hopes of future influence and control in the oil-rich region. Iran would 
become one of the most powerful, and likely anti-U.S., players in the 
Greater Middle East, with all the military, economic and oil-based 
implications that such hegemonic power brings with it. In short, say the 
neocons, it's vital to stop Iran in its tracks now while the stopping is 
still possible. Once Iran has operational nuclear-tipped missiles -- 
which could be a mere ten years down the line, or less -- the entire 
equation would change.

 

 

THE HAWKS PREPARE

 

The neocons believe that if Iran is attacked by the U.S. and/or Israel, 
it could retaliate with missiles and asymmetrical warfare, but, given 
the firepower of U.S. and Israeli forces, its long-range military 
strength would be severely diminished for at least a decade or two, with 
little ability to successfully exercise its political authority in the 
region. Syria, another possible competitor for top-dog influence in the 
region, might try to fill the bill or, more likely, might well back off, 
seeing what its enemies did to both Iraq and Iran.

 

In short, from the neo-con hawk perspective, now is the perfect time to 
launch a "pre-emptive" air-attack on Iran. This is the case even though 
CheneyBush cannot produce any conclusive evidence that Iran is working 
on military uses of nuclear energy; that may be in their long-range plan 
but, by and large, the U.S. is basing its antagonism on speculation and 
future fears. In short, there does not appear to be any kind of imminent 
Iranian threat to the U.S. or to other countries in the region. (Absent 
an imminent threat, an attack on a sovereign nation is regarded as 
illegal under international law, perhaps even a war crime.)

 

The Republicans also note that along with the quagmire in Iraq, a war 
with Iran would ensure that the new American President would find 
himself hogtied in Iran and to a diplomatic/military/economic policy in 
the Greater Middle East from which it would be difficult to disentangle. 
Also, both presidential candidates are firm supporters of Israel and 
have indicated they'd be open to taking military action against Iran to 
stop it from obtaining nuclear weapons, the difference being that McCain 
is more amenable to going forthrightly into a shootin' match, while 
Obama is willing to try diplomacy first without taking a possible attack 
off the table.

 

In short, given the complexities of what's at stake in the region, and 
how Bush&Co. is trying to lead the new Administration into highly 
dangerous waters, the new President might fail badly, making it easier 
for a Republican victory in the 2010 Congressional elections and the 
2112 presidential contest.

 

 

A GAME OF HIGH-STAKES "CHICKEN"?

 

So, there's that possible take on what is going on with regard to Iran. 
But what if it's all a high-stakes, all-in game of "chicken" being 
played out? Each side blustering, threatening an attack, but done with 
great restraint -- a lot of chest-beating, saber-rattling, insulting, 
etc., but no battles, just maneuvering to break the will of the other 
guy? Iran would want America to back off and let it go its own way in 
its own neighborhood, and the U.S. would want Iran to drop its plans for 
weapons-grade uranium enrichment.

 

Look at the situation this way: The American military, and National 
Guard/Reserves, are not in any mood to accept another major war, as U.S. 
forces around the world already are stretched way too thin and are, 
because of the way the troops are abused, having problems meeting their 
recruitment quotas. Likewise, the Pentagon chiefs are not especially 
crazy about initiating another war, especially against Iran, given the 
lack of firm evidence to support such an attack. Defense Secretary Gates 
keeps pumping for diplomacy with Iran and plays down any saber-rattling; 
Admiral William Fallon -- before he was forced to resign -- was head of 
Central Command and was vehemently and publicly trying to block Cheney's 
near-compulsion for attacking Iran.

 

In short, an attack on Iran would be almost totally a White House 
project with Cheney's hands all over it and is sure to engender even 
more retirements and then truth-telling from the resentful, angry 
military brass and perhaps an instantaneous upsurge of demands for 
impeachment of Cheney and Bush in the House.

 

 

ILLUSION OF POSITIVE "LEGACY"

 

And yet, even given that negative situation, I think Cheney and Bush are 
still salivating at the prospects of attacking Iran as a last spastic 
use of the power they've amassed for themselves. In addition, perhaps 
Cheney and Bush just might go for it in a final desperate attempt to 
establish their "legacy": They believe that eventually all Americans, 
and others, will realize that during their tenure they courageously and 
correctly began the process of bringing democracy and free-market 
capitalism to the "backward" Islamic countries in the Greater Middle 
East, even if at the point of a gun.

 

But what if the U.S. rulers miscalculate once again, a la Iraq -- some 
leading neocons blithely assume that the young, anti-mullah population 
of Iran will rise up following an attack and overthrow their religious 
rulers -- and the U.S. gets sucked into a no-win quagmire all over the 
Middle East? What then? Maybe CheneyBush don't give a rat's petunia; in 
the long run, as the solipsistic Bush has said about his "legacy," he'll 
be dead.

 

To gain their war, CheneyBush (along with Israel) are threatening and 
trying to provoke Iran into making a bad blunder in response that could 
be interpreted as a "hostile" act, requiring a retaliatory strike. 
According to Seymour Hersh, a former high-placed intelligence officer 
said that a secret meeting took place in Cheney's office where "the 
subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington."

 

At best, in Bush&Co. calculations, an air attack using "surgical" 
bombing runs and laser-guided missile attacks would quickly take out 
Iran's military/nuclear facilities, perhaps in a day or two, with little 
civilian "collateral" damage.

 

At worst, regardless of whether it's Israel or the U.S. initiating the 
attack, the result could lead to uncontrollable chaos and destruction -- 
and an oil-supply system badly wrecked, with all that implies for the 
economies of the U.S. and Europe -- and the clash of cultures that so 
many extremists, on both sides, seem almost to desire. (The U.N.'s chief 
nuclear official, Mohammed El Baradei, said an attack on Iran would turn 
the region in a "ball of fire.")  And the new President would be stuck 
with the catastrophe.

 

 

HOW CLOSE ARE WE TO WAR?

 

So how close are we to war against Iran? Former CIA official Ray 
McGovern reports that upon emerging from a 90-minute White House meeting 
with President George W. Bush on June 4, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud 
Olmert said the two leaders were of one mind:

 

/"'We reached agreement on the need to take care of the Iranian threat. 
I left with a lot less question marks [than] I had entered with 
regarding the means, the timetable restrictions, and American 
resoluteness to deal with the problem. George Bush understands the 
severity of the Iranian threat and the need to vanquish it, and intends 
to act on that matter before the end of his term in the White House."/

 

McGovern also quotes a member of Olmert's delegation saying that the two 
countries had agreed to cooperate in case of an attack by Iran, and that 
"the meetings focused on 'operational matters' pertaining to the Iranian 
threat."   My best guess right now is that CheneyBush, as always 
divorced from the real world, will go for an attack probably later this 
summer, or, if not then, between the November election and the 
inauguration of a new President in January. Whether CheneyBush will do 
so with the U.S. playing the central role is unknown at this time. My 
guess is that the U.S. will be helpful to Israel in getting them to do 
the deed. (Remember that Israel bombed Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor 
at Osirak in 1981.) Already, a huge number of America's military brass, 
including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Michael Mullen, have 
recently had mostly secret consultations with their Israeli counterparts.

 

Neo-con Bill Kristol even suggests that if Bush thinks Obama is poised 
to win the presidency, he'll launch the attack either just prior to or 
right after the November election. In other words, better vote for 
McCain if you want to stop a widening war in the Greater Middle East. 
Political extortion of the first order.

 

 

BUILDING OF A "PERFECT STORM"

 

I would be happy to be proven wrong in all my speculations and to learn 
that what's happening in the Persian Gulf area is merely (!) a dangerous 
game of "chicken." If the latter, then someone with rational sense will 
veer away from the confrontation before it's too late and the region is 
plunged into full and total economic and military conflagration, with 
the spillover effect of a potential worldwide economic Depression and 
wars of choice throughout the region. In short, mixed in with an 
already-proceeding environmental collapse brought on by 
human-accelerated global warming, it's clear, as Hemingway might say, 
that there's a cataclysmic shitstorm coming. A perfect storm with 
untold, horrific consequences.

 

Finally, with Iran in the crosshairs, you would think that both Congress 
and the mainstream media would feel obliged to start paying some major 
investigative attention to the likelihood of such an attack, so that we 
won't wind up once again falling into war without a proper and lengthy 
debate about the wisdom of such a move. But once again, as was the case 
with the runup to the war against Iraq, Congress, this time controlled 
by the Democrats, remains inert and the corporate media remain mostly 
silent or act as cheerleaders for CheneyBush policy.

 

Prior to the "shock&awe" bombing of Iraq, those opposed to the coming 
attack put ten million dissenters into the streets around the globe. In 
contrast, today's so-called "antiwar movement" in the U.S. and elsewhere 
seems dormant in the face of the coming conflagration, with a lot of 
energy now siphoned off to the presidential campaign.

 

 

DO-NOTHING CONGRESS AND "MOVEMENT"

 

In sum, everything points to the likelihood of the coming attack with 
precious little countervailing power coming from the corporate media, 
anti-war forces, and the supposed "opposition" party, the Democrats, or 
the party's standard-bearer in the November election, Barack Obama. The 
U.S. economy already is teetering on the brink of a long-term recession, 
or worse, with ordinary citizens forced to work multiple jobs just to 
keep their families economically intact, with little extra time for 
political activism.

 

According to former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter:

 

/"[Not only is Congress failing] to put any obstacles in the way of this 
policy but in fact Congress is actively facilitating this policy by 
refusing to enact legislation that would require the president to get 
the consent of Congress before going into Iran. The fact that Congress 
has opted out from tying the president's hands reinforces, at least in 
the Bush administration's mind, that Congress is legitimizing the 
potential of action. /

/ /

/"So when you put all of this together you start to see that there is 
not only a real risk of war but that those who would like to do it see 
that there aren't any obstacles being put in the way of their 
accomplishing this, which makes the likelihood of military action even 
greater. Everyday that goes by without Congressional action is another 
day that reinforces that there will be a military strike against Iran."/

 

Is the situation reversible before Israel and/or CheneyBush initiate the 
bombing runs and Tomahawk-missile attacks on Iran? Reversal may be 
possible if the opposition mobilizes intensely in the next few months, 
but, at the moment, that does not appear likely. America's dogs of war 
are about to be unleashed in the Greater Middle East yet again, with 
everyone else, the world, seemingly immobilized and ready to be treated 
as mere "collateral damage." It's the numbness of too much trauma.

 

Madness, madness.

 

 

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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Thu Jul  3 18:07:57 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:07:57 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] America Festival - July 4th NOTE the Schedule
 inSJ Merc...
In-Reply-To: <F8A24CBD-DAE6-4C6C-8315-A48EF15DAD3D@wrytor.com>
References: <F8A24CBD-DAE6-4C6C-8315-A48EF15DAD3D@wrytor.com>
Message-ID: <486D77ED.7050308@aceweb.com>

What follows is the schedule as I know it. If you aren't already signed
up for something, please consider taking a shift of your choice away 
from Tian

Andrea Dorey wrote:
> SJ Merc, Eye section, lists the times at the July 4th event as:
> 
> Friday, noon to 10:30 pm

Noon to 2 PM Caroline and ????

2 PM on Peter and Tian.

BTW: If someone else wants to take a shift here we would love it.

> Saturday, 3 to 10:30 pm

3 PM to 6 or 7: Drew and Fred

7 on: Tim and Tian

> Sunday, noon to 9 pm

Noon to 4: Eric Meece and whomever I gave the other band to last night.

4 PM on: Tian and whomever shows up until Cameron takes stuff home.

> 
> Free admission
> Discovery Meadow, Woz Way and San Carlos
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added Friday's SF Critical Mass pictures and commentary.


From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Jul  3 19:19:00 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:19:00 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] America Festival - July 4th NOTE the Schedule
	inSJ Merc...
In-Reply-To: <486D77ED.7050308@aceweb.com>
References: <F8A24CBD-DAE6-4C6C-8315-A48EF15DAD3D@wrytor.com>
	<486D77ED.7050308@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <B2FF5858-A73E-4416-A608-CA56DB6B5935@cagreens.org>


On Jul 3, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Tian Harter wrote:
> What follows is the schedule as I know it. If you aren't already  
> signed
> up for something, please consider taking a shift of your choice away
> from Tian
>
> Andrea Dorey wrote:
>> SJ Merc, Eye section, lists the times at the July 4th event as:
>>
>> Friday, noon to 10:30 pm
>
> Noon to 2 PM Caroline and ????
>
> 2 PM on Peter and Tian.
>
> BTW: If someone else wants to take a shift here we would love it.
>
>> Saturday, 3 to 10:30 pm
>
> 3 PM to 6 or 7: Drew and Fred

Tian, I signed up for the 3-6 or 7 pm shift 2 days ago; do you NOT  
need me???
Andrea

>
> 7 on: Tim and Tian
>
>> Sunday, noon to 9 pm
>
> Noon to 4: Eric Meece and whomever I gave the other band to last  
> night.
>
> 4 PM on: Tian and whomever shows up until Cameron takes stuff home.
>
>>
>> Free admission
>> Discovery Meadow, Woz Way and San Carlos
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest change: Added Friday's SF Critical Mass pictures and  
> commentary.
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Jul  4 00:52:28 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:52:28 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] America Festival - July 4th NOTE the
 ScheduleinSJ Merc...
In-Reply-To: <486D77ED.7050308@aceweb.com>
References: <F8A24CBD-DAE6-4C6C-8315-A48EF15DAD3D@wrytor.com>
	<486D77ED.7050308@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <486DD6BC.1050606@aceweb.com>

Please notice updates below. Help will still be appreciated on Sunday.

Tian Harter wrote:
> What follows is the schedule as I know it. If you aren't already signed
> up for something, please consider taking a shift of your choice away 
> from Tian
> 
> Andrea Dorey wrote:
>> SJ Merc, Eye section, lists the times at the July 4th event as:
>>
>> Friday, noon to 10:30 pm
> 
> Noon to 2 PM Caroline and ????
> 
2 PM to 5 PM Dana and Gerry

5 PM to closing Peter and Tian.
> 
> BTW: If someone else wants to take a shift here we would love it.
> 
>> Saturday, 3 to 10:30 pm
> 
3 PM to 6 or 7: Drew and/or Fred and/or Andrea
> 
> 7 on: Tim and Tian
> 
>> Sunday, noon to 9 pm
> 
> Noon to 4: Eric Meece and whomever I gave the other band to last night.
> 
> 4 PM on: Tian and whomever shows up until Cameron takes stuff home.
> 
>> Free admission
>> Discovery Meadow, Woz Way and San Carlos
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added Friday's SF Critical Mass pictures and commentary.


From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Jul  4 13:08:05 2008
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:08:05 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [VFP_101] Celebration of the Life of David
	Wald : Indybay]
Message-ID: <486E8325.5010202@freeshell.org>

FYI.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[VFP_101] Celebration of the Life of David Wald : Indybay
Date: 	Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:52:23 -0700
From: 	bernard <brgreening at gmail.com>
To: 	Paul George <paul at peaceandjustice.org>, VFP -- San Jose 
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Another event to put up on our calendars

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/06/02/18504034.php 
<http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/06/02/18504034.php>

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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sun Jul  6 16:40:16 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:40:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: So write something, dammit (Re: About Ingrid)
Message-ID: <1890.38.99.84.36.1215387616.squirrel@www.greens.org>

This is from the GP-US Press Secretary, Scott McLarty:

Press/Media Contacts:
Scott McLarty scottmclarty at yahoo.com
202-518-5624
Starlene Rankin starlene at greens.org
916-995-3805


Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:39:06 +0000
From: Scott McLarty
Subject: [usgp-dx] So write something, dammit (Re: About Ingrid)
To: <natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org>

> John Rensenbrink  wrote:
> In another post Jenefer Ellingston asks why, in all the lavish
> publicity, no mention that Ingrid is a member of the Green Party.
> This is the treatment we've been getting since day one. There's no
> excuse for it. There seems to be a settled notion in the press that
> anything about the Greens, especially good things, need to be edited
> out.

Hi folks

John is correct.  How often, when Nobel Peace Prize laureate Wangari
Maathai is mentioned in the major media, have you read that she's a leader
of the Kenyan Green Party?

Occasions like this one are perfect opportunities for Greens to write
letters to the editor, as well as op-ed submissions, articles, etc.

We can mention that Ms. Betancourt's rescue is especially significant
right now because it occurs on the eve of the US Green Party's national
convention in Chicago and Ms. Betancourt is a Green Party leader in
Colombia.  See Wednesday's press release for more information & links:
http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=76

If all the active members of the this discussion list wrote one letter to
the editor of a newspaper for every five messages they posted here, just
think of the publicity for the Green Party that would result.  If we don't
communicate with the public on our own behalf, no one is going to do it
for us.

Scott




From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Jul  7 09:16:52 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:16:52 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] KPFA 94.1 FM will broadcast LIVE GP Convention!
	(EOM)
Message-ID: <7F1E6C6C-8826-4D7C-A29D-611D722E2C3E@cagreens.org>




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  7 10:44:27 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:44:27 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Surviving the Fourth of July"
Message-ID: <487255FB.2040506@earthlink.net>


"Surviving the Fourth of July"
by Chris Hedges

     http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/07/10164/

with lots of literary references.

Gerry




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  7 10:52:58 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:52:58 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Learning From Past Disasters,
	Preventing Future Ones"
Message-ID: <487257FA.7000601@earthlink.net>



"Learning From Past Disasters, Preventing Future Ones"
"Foreword to Flirting With Disaster: Why Accidents Are Rarely
      Accidental"
by Daniel Ellsberg

      http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/07/10181/

Gerry




From WB4D23 at aol.com  Mon Jul  7 17:28:52 2008
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:28:52 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Dave Wald Memorial Service Sunday July 13th
Message-ID: <c35.39fd497f.35a40ec4@aol.com>

The life of Dave Wald will be celebrated this Sunday, July  13th, starting at 
2 p.m., at the IBEW 332 Hall, 2125 Canoas Garden Road, San  Jose, CA.   Doors 
open at 1:30 p.m.  For more info see  www.sanjosepeace.org.



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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Mon Jul  7 18:03:52 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:03:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: GP ADVISORY New update: Green Nat'l
 Convention (Chicago, July 10-13) schedule, other info]
Message-ID: <1702.38.99.84.36.1215479032.squirrel@www.greens.org>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [G-C-F] Fwd: GP ADVISORY New update: Green Nat'l Convention
(Chicago, July 10-13) schedule, other info
From:    "Hank Chapot" <hchapot at igc.org>
Date:    Mon, July 7, 2008 15:35
To:      "gpca forum" <cal-forum at cagreens.org>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------


> From: "Green News DC" <dcsgpnews at gmail.com>
> Date: July 7, 2008 10:12:39 AM PDT
> To: dcsgpnews2 at yahoo.com
> Subject: GP ADVISORY New update: Green Nat'l Convention (Chicago,
> July 10-13) schedule, other info
>
> GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES
> http://www.gp.org
>
> For Immediate Release:
> Monday, July 7, 2008
>
> Contacts:
> Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, cell 202-904-7614,
> mclarty at greens.org
> Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene at gp.org
> Ruth Weill, National Convention Coordinator, 414-350-2107,
ruthweill at gmail.com
> Patrick Kelly, Illinois Green Party Media Coordinator, 773-203-9631,
> media at ilgp.org
>
>
> Updated information on the Green Party's 2008 National Nominating
> Convention in Chicago, July 10-13
>
> ? Schedule of news conferences and other media events, media
> credentialing, bios of featured speakers, other essential details
>
> Key links:
> ? 2008 Green National Convention: Live Green, Vote Green
> http://www.greenparty2008.org
> ? Media credentialing http://www.gp.org/forms/media
> ? Video of Green presidential candidates
> http://www.gp.org/2008-elections/presidential-videos.php
> ? Links to Green Presidential Candidates' web sites
> http://www.gp.org/committees/pcsc/index.shtml
> ? Green candidate database for 2008 and other campaign information:
> http://www.gp.org/elections.shtml
> ? Green Party News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml
> ? Green Party Speakers Bureau http://www.gp.org/speakers
> ? Green Party ballot access page http://www.gp.org/2008-elections
>
>
> WASHINGTON, DC -- The Green Party of the United States has released an
> updated schedule for the party's national nominating convention, at
> which the Green presidential ticket will be chosen by Green delegates.
>
> The convention, titled "Live Green, Vote Green," will take place July
> 10-13 in Chicago (http://www.greenparty2008.org).  The schedule of
> news conferences and other media events and a list of guest speakers
> are appended below.  The nomination will take place on Saturday, July
> 12 at the Chicago Symphony Center.
>
> Jesse Johnson, Cynthia McKinney, Kent Mesplay, and Kat Swift are the
> four contenders for the Green presidential nomination.  Information on
> the apportionment of the party's 836 state and caucus delegates is
> being compiled at "2008 Green Party Presidential Nomination Delegate
> Count" (http://www.gp.org/2008-elections/Delegate-Vote-Count.php).
>
> Organizers of the Green National Convention are encouraging
> journalists who intend to cover the event to register at the Media
> Credentialing web page: http://www.gp.org/forms/media (onsite
> registration is also possible, but pre-convention registration is
> encouraged)
>
> The Green Party encourages live blogging from the convention.  The
> Chicago Symphony Center, convention site, will provide Internet access
> for registered media.
>
> For video clips of Green presidential candidates:
> http://www.gp.org/2008-elections/presidential-videos.php
>
> For further information, including details on lodging at the Palmer
> House Hilton: http://www.greenparty2008.org
>
> ? Links to Green Presidential Candidates' web sites:
> http://www.gp.org/committees/pcsc/index.shtml
> Jesse Johnson http://www.jesse08.org
> Cynthia McKinney http://www.runcynthiarun.org
> Kent Mesplay http://www.mesplay.org
> Kat Swift http://www.voteswift.org
>
> ? More on Green candidates running for various offices in 2008:
> http://www.gp.org/elections.shtml
> http://www.gp.org/elections/candidates/index.php
>
>
> MEDIA EVENTS
> Schedule for the Chicago Convention, July 10-13 (subject to change)
>
>
> THURSDAY, JULY 10
> Location: Palmer House Hilton, 17 East Monroe Street
> Media Room & Media Check-in: Clark 9, 7th floor
> The Media Registration table hours: Noon - 5 pm
> Press Conference Room: Clark 5, 7th floor
>
> ? 4 pm: Introductory news conference
> Featuring Steering Committee members, Honorary Co-chairs, Illinois
> Green leaders, some Illinois candidates
>
> ? 6 pm: Welcome reception featuring international Greens
>
>
> FRIDAY, JULY 11
> Location: Palmer House Hilton, 17 East Monroe Street
> Media Room & Media Check-in: Clark 9, 7th floor
> The Media Registration table hours: 8 am - 8 pm
> Press Conference Room: Clark 5, 7th floor
>
> ? 9 am: News conference featuring Green candidates for Congress
>
> ? 11 am: News conference featuring candidates for other public offices
>
> ? Possible afternoon press conferences (to be announced) and press
> availability for Green presidential and other candidates
>
> ? 7-9 pm: Presidential Candidates' Forum
> Moderator: Rich Whitney, 2006 candidate for Governor of Illinois
>
>
> SATURDAY, JULY 12
> Location: Chicago Symphony Center, 220 S Michigan Avenue
> Media Check-In: Mezzanine
> The Media Registration table hours: 8 am - 5 pm (flexible)
> Press Conference Room: Grainger Ballroom, Mezzanine Level
>
> ? 9 am: Press briefing and news conference with Green presidential
> candidates; on-stage program begins
>
> ? 9:30 am: Keynote speaker Cliff Thornton
>
> ? 9:45 am: Adoption of the 2008 Green Party Platform
>
> ? 10:45 am: Keynote speakers Kathy Kelly, Malik Rahim
>
> ? 11:15 am:  Speeches by the four Presidential Candidates
>
> ? 12 noon: Lunch
>
> ? 1 pm: Keynote speakers Omar L?pez, Dr. Jill Stein
>
> ? 1:30 pm: Voting, state roll call
>
> (Times for events after this are tentative, depending on how long it
> takes to complete the nomination process)
>
> ? 2:30 pm: Vice Presidential acceptance speech (nominee will be
> introduced by Pat LaMarche, 2004 Green nominee for Vice President)
>
> ? 3 pm: Presidential acceptance speech (nominee will be introduced by
> David Cobb, 2004 Green nominee for President), followed by photo op
> for all Green candidates and the nominees
>
> ? 4 pm: Press conference featuring Green nominees for President and
> Vice President
>
>
> FEATURED SPEAKERS
>
> ? Malik Rahim, former Black Panther and Green Party candidate,
> co-founder of Common Ground Collective/Relief, an organization that
> provides short-term relief to victims of hurricane disasters in the
> gulf region. Visit http://www.commongroundrelief.org
>
> ? Kathy Kelly, co-founder of Voices in the Wilderness, an organization
> that worked to end sanctions in Iraq beginning in 1996. Visit
> http://www.vcnv.org
>
> ? Omar L?pez, teacher and Green candidate for the US House in
> Illinois' 4th District, principal convenor and leader of the historic
> mega-marches of March 10 and May 1, 2006, in defense of the rights of
> undocumented immigrant workers and constitutional rights under attack
> by the Sensenbrenner House Bill 4437.  Mr. L?pez has co-founded
> numerous labor, tenant, immigrants' rights, and bilingual education
> organizations, and is director of C.A.L.O.R., which provides services
> to Latinos affected by HIV/AIDS and other diseases.  Visit
> http://www.omarlopez2008.org
>
> ? Dr. Jill Stein, physician and founder of the Massachusetts Coalition
> for Healthy Communities.  Dr. Stein ran for Secretary of the
> Commonwealth in 2006 with the Massachusetts Green-Rainbow Party,
> garnering 351,495 votes (18%).  Visit http://www.masschc.org
>
> ? Cliff Thornton, Jr., a long-time social justice and drug policy
> reform activist and Green candidate for Governor of Connecticut in
> 2006.  Mr. Thornton is co-founder of Efficacy, which works for the
> reform of drug laws and criminal justice policies.  Visit
> http://www.efficacy-online.org
>
>
> MORE INFORMATION
>
> Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org
> 202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN
> Fax 202-319-7193
> ? 2008 Green National Convention: Live Green, Vote Green
> http://www.greenparty2008.org
> ? Media credentialing http://www.gp.org/forms/media
> ? Video of Green presidential candidates
> http://www.gp.org/2008-elections/presidential-videos.php
> ? Links to Green Presidential Candidates' web sites
> http://www.gp.org/committees/pcsc/index.shtml
> ? Green candidate database for 2008 and other campaign information:
> http://www.gp.org/elections.shtml
> ? Green Party News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml
> ? Green Party Speakers Bureau http://www.gp.org/speakers
> ? Green Party ballot access page http://www.gp.org/2008-elections
>
>
> ~ END ~

Hank Chapot - Oakland CA
hchapot at igc.org
510.654.5311
http://hchapot.blogspot.com/
Cogito Ergo Green




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From andid at cagreens.org  Mon Jul  7 21:13:48 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:13:48 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GP Donation Letters Mailed at Lundy PO...
Message-ID: <BF78B0E6-FC0C-482E-8A4B-7593587ACB75@cagreens.org>

They were mailed today at 5:30 PM, well ahead of the 8 PM deadline  
for overnight delivery.  While not guaranteed, most of the 500 will  
be received by recipients in tomorrow's mail.
Andi


From JamBoi at Greens.org  Tue Jul  8 04:11:38 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 04:11:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Elizabeth Holtzman: Impeach Bush Now
Message-ID: <63625.76.126.222.234.1215515498.squirrel@www.greens.org>

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080721/holtzman

Impeach Bush Now

By Elizabeth Holtzman, The Nation, http://thenation.org

According to a top aide, John McCain recently endorsed George W. Bush's
right to wiretap American citizens without court approval, despite the
clear requirements of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
Clearly, McCain has learned nothing from the past seven-plus years of
Bush/Cheney assaults on the Constitution.
_______

According to a top aide, John McCain recently endorsed George W. Bush's
right to wiretap American citizens without court approval, despite the
clear requirements of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
Clearly, McCain has learned nothing from the past seven-plus years of
Bush/Cheney assaults on the Constitution.

More troubling is that he doesn't seem very worried that his position will
generate serious criticism. And apparently it has not. The lack of public
outcry points to the likelihood that too many Americans are either
confused about a President's prerogatives or have been persuaded by the
years of Bush's constitutional abuses that a chief executive has the right
to violate the law or subvert the Constitution in other ways.

McCain's position and the response to it demonstrate how much the Bush
Administration has damaged public understanding of the system of checks
and balances that lies at the heart of our democracy. The framers believed
that unchecked power, including unchecked executive power, was the
greatest threat to our liberties, but too many citizens today perceive
that danger as unreal.

That is why Congress should initiate impeachment proceedings now.

Impeachment is one of the few ways Congress can draw limits around
presidential power and educate the country about those limits. And without
the people's support for those limits, they will be breached again and
again by future Presidents.

The proposed revisions of FISA that recently passed the House give added
urgency to the impeachment argument. Some Democrats have announced support
for the bill because they believe it will restrain this and future
Presidents. The bill provides that FISA is the exclusive means by which a
President may authorize wiretapping. But the original FISA bill had a
similar provision, and it did not stop Bush from repeatedly claiming that
as commander in chief he has the authority to ignore FISA.

Impeachment is the only way to force a President who steadfastly refuses
to obey the law to do so. And it sends an indelible message to future
Presidents as well.

We know that the impeachment process, done properly, without partisan
rancor and with fairness to the President, can have a hugely positive
effect on public understanding of the Constitution and strengthen the
democratic underpinnings of the society. This is what happened during the
impeachment process against Richard Nixon. We learned that impeachment is
not just a grand inquest or inquisitorial process; it is also a great
teach-in--a unique opportunity for an extended and serious national
discussion of checks and balances, the limits on presidential power and
how to preserve our liberties.

Take illegal wiretapping by a President. One of the grounds for
impeachment in the House Judiciary Committee's resolution was Nixon's
illegal wiretapping of journalists and White House staffers. After that
resolution passed with bipartisan support, and after Nixon resigned rather
than face certain impeachment and removal from office by the whole
Congress, an understanding that national security wiretaps had to be
carried out in accordance with the law and the Constitution continued for
a quarter-century, until Bush's sledgehammer shattered it. In theory, a
Supreme Court case might re-establish checks on the presidency, as the
cases regarding the Guant?namo detainees have begun to do. But challenges
to some of the most serious abuses of presidential power--wiretapping in
violation of FISA, the mistreatment or torture of detainees, signing
statements, by which the President claimed he was not bound to obey the
bills he signed into law--might never be heard by the Court. An
impeachment inquiry would resolve those challenges.

It would also permit Congress to delve into other matters, including the
President's role in outing Valerie Plame and the US Attorneys scandal,
that involve possible serious abuses of power that may not otherwise be
fully investigated. Bush stalls Congressional inquiries with extreme
claims of executive privilege, but there is no executive privilege in an
impeachment inquiry, a precedent created during the Nixon impeachment
process. And without impeachment, it is hard to envision any other way of
holding President Bush accountable for the deceptions, exaggerations and
misstatements that drove the United States into the tragic war on Iraq.

While some may argue that impeachment would divide the country, create
sympathy for Bush and thus lose the presidential election for the
Democrats, that need not be the case. The Nixon impeachment not only
resulted in a rout of the Republicans in November; it brought Americans
together as they rediscovered a shared basic value, namely, that more
important than any individual or party was the rule of law itself. That
process educated Congress and the country. It can again.

Finally, it is not essential to finish the entire process of impeachment
in the House and trial in the Senate in the few remaining months of this
Congress. In the words of the Talmud: you are not required to finish the
task, but neither are you free to desist from it. There will not be
another opportunity to hold this President accountable in this way; and if
we do not act, the signal to future generations is that impeachment, a
weapon intended to defend the rule of law, has grown rusty and unusable on
our watch.



From JamBoi at Greens.org  Tue Jul  8 05:16:41 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 05:16:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Free Speech Radio News covers GP-US Convention
Message-ID: <60679.76.126.222.234.1215519401.squirrel@www.greens.org>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [GPCA-MediaComm] Live Green - Vote Green
From:    "Craig Peterson" <compmail at pacbell.net>
Date:    Wed, July 2, 2008 21:45
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Free Speech Radio News covered the upcoming National Green Party
Convention on today's broadcast.  If you go to
http://www.fsrn.org/content/election-unspun-july-2-green-party-convention/2716
you can listen or download the file.

*****
Green Party Gearing for Green Convention
Next week is the Green Party's National Convention. In Chicago, Illinois,
Greens will choose their Presidential Candidate. After primaries in 28
states, the nominee is likely to be former US Representative of Georgia
Cynthia McKinney.  But beyond choosing a Presidential nominee, the Green
Party will be compiling their national platform.  We spoke with Convention
Coordinator Ruth Weil.

PART 2:
The Greens say they have grown in stature over the years. As Phil
Huckelberry, Co-Chair of the Green Party says, they will be celebrating
and plotting how to make additional gains in the future.

*****
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From alexcathy at aol.com  Tue Jul  8 14:43:28 2008
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:43:28 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] On Life in South Central Los Angeles
Message-ID: <8CAAF5ACB1317B2-1140-1343@Webmail-mg16.sim.aol.com>

Dear Green Friends, 

I have posted this entry on California Greening with Linda Piera-Avila's statement.




On
Life in South Central Los Angeles 





Think Green issues are for "elite" suburbanites? Think again. See
below a brilliant statement about the quality of life in South Central Los
Angeles by L.A. Green activist , Linda Piera-Avila. Ms. Piera testified before
city planners in opposition to a proposed warehouse on the site of the South
Central Urban Farm.



According to "No Place to Play," a report by The Trust for Public
Land, two-thirds of children 18 and under in Los Angeles do not live within
walking distance of a public park.



The study compared the number and percentage of children living within
one-quarter mile of a park -- what's considered to be walking distance-in seven
major metropolitan areas. With only one-third of children living near open
space and 1.8 million children countywide lacking easy park access, Los Angeles
fared worst among the areas evaluated.



According to Los Angeles City's website, www.lacity.org,
there are 250 parks in the city of Los Angeles. Not one is sited in the 90058
zip code, the same zip code as the proposed warehouse project



?



Read
more!



 



URL: http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-life-in-south-central-los-angeles.html




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From alexcathy at aol.com  Tue Jul  8 14:47:03 2008
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:47:03 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] This 'Green Brotha' Going to Chicago
Message-ID: <8CAAF5B4B3A5432-1140-1376@Webmail-mg16.sim.aol.com>

Dear Green Friends, 

I have posted this blog entry on California Greening.



??



This
'Green Brotha' Going to Chicago



?



The Los Angeles Times published a timely editorial this week
on the disgraceful handling of the mess at Martin Luther King/Harbor Hospital
in Watts. 



?



>From the Los Angeles Times, Monday, July 7, 2008. 

Editorial: Learning From a Death in Brooklyn




On June 19, surveillance cameras in a Brooklyn, N.Y., mental ward captured
shocking images of a woman collapsing on the floor and lying there, untended by
hospital workers, for an hour. She soon died.


The tape, released last week, touched a nerve in Los Angeles because the
incident was reminiscent of the death of Edith Isabel Rodriguez at Martin
Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital in May 2007. Rodriguez lay on the
emergency-room floor as a janitor mopped around her. The description of her
suffering, and of the indifference of hospital workers, silenced all but the
most recalcitrant defenders of the mismanaged medical center...






I've made copies of the article (along with some others) to distribute when
this "Green Brotha" goes to Chicago this weekend.



On Super Tuesday, when Mayor Villaraigosa, Congresswoman Maxine Waters, Laura
Richardson, and my Congresswoman Diane Watson were all busy campaigning for
Hillary, I was elected a Cynthia McKinney delegate to the 2008 Green Party
National Convention. When I get there, if anybody shoves an Obama poster in my
face babbling about "change" I'll shove this in his face speaking
truth about the status-quo in One-Party Democratic Los Angeles. 



Alex Walker

Los Angeles Greens 

July 8, 2008 





Read more!



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URL: http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2008/07/this-green-brotha-going-to-chicago.html



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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Tue Jul  8 22:48:53 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:48:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA Official Notice] Volunteers Needed to Write
 Reports on November Ballot Measures
Message-ID: <3584.38.99.84.36.1215582533.squirrel@www.greens.org>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] Volunteers Needed to Write Reports on
November Ballot Measures
From:    "County Contacts" <contacts2006 at lists.cagreens.org>
Date:    Tue, July 8, 2008 21:53
To:      "County Contacts" <Contacts2006 at cagreens.org>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE

This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List.  For more information,
or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply.
 Follow the contact directions
stated in the email.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Volunteers Needed To Report On November 2008 Ballot  Measures

To: County Contacts, Green Party of California -- Please  Distribute Widely
to GPCA Members

From: Warner Bloomberg, Campaigns and Candidates Working Group 
Co-Coordinator

Date: July 7, 2008

Unless otherwise decided by a General Assembly of Delegates at  a state
meeting, the GPCA uses a County Polling process to determine state party
positions on ballot measures.  The CCWG has accepted the job of collecting
reports to send to the County GP?s as part of that County Polling.  Below
is the Secretary of State Summary of Ballot Propositions (go to
_www.ss.ca.gov/elections_ (http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections) ).  Greg  Jan
(_gregjan4 at yahoo.com_ (mailto:gregjan4 at yahoo.com) ) has volunteered  to
facilitate the coordination of proposition reports (because the Alameda
County Green Party has a long record of creating such reports).

If you  are interested in contributing to this effort about one or more of
the ballot  measure reports, please contact Greg as soon as possible.  This
is a time  sensitive project.  Reports need to be completed by the end of
July so County Polling can be done during August and GPCA positions can be
announced in  early September.  Reports need to be reasonably focused, but
should have a  clear explanation of the writer?s position and conclude with
a recommendation  that the GPCA either endorse, oppose or take no position
on a particular initiative or bond measure.  The writier?s name(s) and
County will be  included in the public report distributed on the
County Contacts list to start  the County Polling.  Please Note:  Because
the County Polling period  is expected to include the Plenary scheduled for
August 23-24 in Riverside  County, these same reports will be presented to
the General Assembly of  Delegates for consideration.  If you have any
questions about this message,  contact Warner Bloomberg _wsb3attyca at aol.com_
(mailto:wsb3attyca at aol.com) .


Propositions that are on the
November 2008 General Election  Ballot

California Secretary of State, Debra Bowen, has assigned these  Proposition
Numbers for the November Election:

Prop. 1: High Speed Rail -- SB 1856: Safe, Reliable, High  Speed Passenger
          Train Bond Act for the 21st Century
Prop. 2: Treatment of  Farm Animals. Statute.
Prop. 3: Children?s Hospital Bond Act. Grant Program.  Statute.
Prop. 4: Waiting Period and Parental Notification Before  Termination of
          Minor?s Pregnancy. Constitutional Amendment.
Prop. 5:  Nonviolent Offenders. Sentencing, Parole and Rehabilitation.
           Statute.
Prop.  6: Criminal Penalties and Laws. Public Safety Funding. Statute.
           (Anti-Gang  Penalties; Runner Initiative)
Prop. 7: Renewable Energy Requirements  Statute
Prop. 8: Limit on Marriage. Constitutional Amendment. (Same  Sex Marriage
          ban)
Prop. 9: Criminal Justice System. Victims? Rights.  Parole. Constitutional
          Amendment and Statute.
Prop. 10: Bonds. Alternative  Fuel Vehicles and Renewable Energy. Statute.
Prop. 11: Redistricting.  Constitutional Amendment and Statute.

_http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_j.htm_
(http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_j.htm)



_______________________________________________
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From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  9 07:10:16 2008
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Congressional Approval Falls to Single Digits for
	First Time Ever
In-Reply-To: <mailman.24971.1214967326.24070.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <969590.73012.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


  Just 3% of those voters not affiliated with either party give Congress positive ratings, down from 6%
last month. 63% believe Congress is doing a poor
job, up from 57% last month
  The majority of voters (62%) say Congress has not passed any legislation to improve life in America.
  55% of voters find it unlikely that Congress will address important problems facing our nation in the near future.



For the full article, visit:
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance/congressional_performance



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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  9 08:57:47 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:57:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [gpca-erwg] From Krist Novoselic:Wed"July
	9th in San Francisco --	Bring Ranked Choice Voting to the USA!"]
Message-ID: <4874DFFB.8060307@earthlink.net>



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--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Steven Hill <hill at newamerica.net> wrote:

     From: Steven Hill <hill at newamerica.net>
     Subject: From Krist Novoselic: "July 9th in San Francisco -- Bring
     Ranked Choice Voting to the USA!"
     To: "Steven Hill" <hill at newamerica.net>
     Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 10:37 AM

     Dear friends,

     I hope to see some of you at this event/fundraiser with Nirvana
     bassist Krist Novoselic in San Francisco (Wednesday evening [today]
     at 7:30 pm at the Foreign Cinema in the Mission district). This
     November, ranked choice voting/instant runoff voting is on the
     ballot in Memphis, TN, Glendale, AZ and St. Paul, MN. Also soon we
     will know if proportional representation will be on the ballot in
     Cincinnati. Fundraisers are being organized around the country to
     support these important reform efforts. Please come and join myself,
     Krist, Rob Richie from FairVote and others for this fundraiser in
     San Francisco.  We have some great opportunities for big wins this
     fall. Every dollar raised on July 9th is going to these campaigns.
     See below the note from Krist about it. Here are the details about
     the event:



     WHEN:     7:30 pm to 9 pm, July 9, Wednesday evening
     WHERE:     Foreign Cinema, 2534 Mission Street, San Francisco,
     http://www.foreigncinema.com/directions/

     Please forward this to your own lists and help us spread the word.



     Thanks


     Steven

     ######################


      From Krist Novoselic

     Greetings!

     I'm writing to invite you to be a part of something special.

     On July 9th at 7:30 pm,  I will be joined by FairVote's Rob Richie,
     New America  Foundation's Steven Hill and local leaders in the drive
     for one of the most compelling electoral reforms of our time: ranked
     choice voting.

     Full details are below and at http://www.fairvote.org/sfevent - but
     we'll gather from 7:30 to 9 pm at Foreign Cinema in downtown San
     Francisco.

     Some of you know ranked choice voting as instant runoff voting. Some
     of you as majority voting. I know it as the key to unlocking a new
     wave of democracy.

     This year holds every promise to open that door to ranked choice
     voting all across America. But we need your help. Hundreds of
     thousands of voters will shortly be voting on ranked choice voting.
     Ranked choice voting has already qualified for the ballot in:

     * Memphis, Tennessee: A charter commission unanimously recommended
     ranked choice voting in the second largest city in the southeastern
     United States.

     * St. Paul, Minnesota: A broadly and deeply supported petition
     campaign promises to have St. Paul join its "twin city" Minneapolis
     in adopting ranked choice voting, boosting efforts for statewide
     adoption.

     * Glendale, Arizona: Home of the 2008 Super Bowl, Glendale will vote
     on a ballot measure backed by the League of Women Voters of Arizona
     in a state where ranked choice voting promises to spread quickly.

     In  addition, Los Angeles holds every promise to vote on ranked
     choice voting in the coming year, quite possibly as soon as March.
     In Ohio, Cincinnati may have a chance to bring back the
     "proportional voting" form of ranked choice voting. Other cities are
     moving to ballot measures as well.

     These advances are happening in the midst of a presidential campaign
     where every single leading candidate -- including major party
     nominees Barack Obama and John McCain -- support ranked choice
     voting. A sweep of these campaigns will create real conditions for
     change.

     We can do it. Advocates for ranked choice voting indeed have won 13
     of the last 14 local  ballot measures advancing this quietly
     powerful election reform. But we need your help.

     I chair FairVote and have an obligation to raise funds to keep its
     work moving forward. But that's not why we're holding this event. On
     July 9th, we have one and only one purpose: supporting campaigns for
     ranked choice voting. Every dollar we raise will go to action in the
     next six months.

     So please -- join us in a wonderful venue for drinks, food and a
     discussion on how election reform can transform democracy as we know
     it. I will be joined at the event by our host committee: David
     Wilner, Aleks Totic and Mitzi Johnson.

     WHEN:     7:30 pm to 9 pm, July 9
     WHERE:     Foreign Cinema, http://www.foreigncinema.com/directions/
     WHAT:     Updates on this fall's campaigns and how they fit into a
     national strategic vision for reform
     WHO:     Krist Novoselic, Steven Hill, Rob Richie -- and many more,
     including you!

     For more information, please contact FairVote at rsvp at fairvote.org.
     If you cannot attend, I encourage you to make a contribution to help
     advance the way democracy will be at http://www.fairvote.org/donate/.

     Thank you,

     Krist Novoselic,
     Chair, FairVote




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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Jul  9 21:28:02 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:28:02 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Email of the year...
References: <97072.11387.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1DEB2497-A369-4A17-8894-19F73D1F08E8@cagreens.org>


Here's what our brilliant organizers in AARP are circulating re Iraq.
Just thought you might want to know what you're up against should you  
be planning to try to educate this outfit and other patriotic  
American brain trusts like them?and while you read this, think  
"framing, framing, framing..."
Andrea


> This is an email from Keith Bauer, State Volunteer Mobilizer
> Subject: Email of the year...
>
>
>
>
>
> WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT,  
> DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?
> 'My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of the Iraq  
> regime has been completed.
>
> Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war,  
> our mission in Iraq is complete.
>
> This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all  
> American forces from Iraq . This action will be complete within 30  
> days. It is now time to begin the reckoning.
>
>
> Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of  
> countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict.  
> This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia,  
> and Poland are some of the countries listed there.
>
> The other list contains every one not on the first list. Most of  
> the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be  
> distributing copies of both lists later this evening.
>
> Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to  
> those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The  
> money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for  
> the costs of the Iraqi war.  THEN EVERY YEAR THEREAFTER IT'LL GO TO  
> OUR SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM SO IT WON'T GO BROKE IN 20 YEARS.
>
> The American people are no longer going to pour money into third  
> world Hell holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on  
> corruption.
>
> Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.
>
> In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this  
> money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at  
> home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with  
> us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends  
> from the face of the earth.
>
> Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France or maybe China.
>
> I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with  
> France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We  
> are retiring from NATO as well. Bonne chance, mez amies.
>
> I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the  
> many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two  
> unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be  
> stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty  
> pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid  
> tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes,  
> Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops  
> in the world. I love New York
>
> A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are  
> likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want  
> to try not pissing us off for a change.
>
> Mexico is also on List 2. Its president and his entire corrupt  
> government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple  
> extra thousand tanks and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess  
> where I am going to put 'em? Yep, border security.
>
> Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty -  
> starting now.
>
> We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling  
> for oil in Alaska- which will take care of this country's oil needs  
> for decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this  
> decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there.
>
> It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own  
> citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by  
> saying, 'darn tootin.'
>
> Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around  
> the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about  
> everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America.  
> It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. To the nations on  
> List 1, a final thought : Thank you guys. We owe you and we won't  
> forget.
>
> To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn  
> to speak Arabic.
>
> God bless America .. Thank you and good night.'
>
> If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in  
> English, thank a soldier.
>
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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul  9 21:50:03 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: Hip Hop Activist Accepts VP Bid for
	McKinney's Green Party Bid
Message-ID: <43790.76.29.42.35.1215665403.squirrel@www.greens.org>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [GPCA-MediaComm] Hip Hop Activist Accepts VP Bid for McKinney's
Green Party Bid
From:    "Hank Chapot" <hchapot at igc.org>
Date:    Wed, July 9, 2008 16:11
To:      "gpca forum" <cal-forum at cagreens.org>
         "GPCA Media comm comm" <gpca-mediawg at marla.cagreens.org>
Cc:      "Hank Chapot" <hchapot at igc.org>
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http://www.thuglifearmy.com/news/?id=4427



Hip Hop Activist Accepts VP Bid for McKinney's Green Party Bid
7/9/2008 11:59:05 AM by Davey D


Rosa Clemente accepting a bid to run as VP on Cynthia McKinney's Green
Party ticket is big news. In fact its great news. First Rosa is no
joke. This Bronx born-Puerto Rican-African sista is sharp on the
issues and uncompromising on the principals she stands for. She stands
tall and fights fiercely for the communities and people she has long
represented. She is more than qualified.



The other thing that is equally important is that Rosa gives voice to
a variety of issues impacting the community that have been
increasingly put on the back burner during this election season. many
of us have waited eagerly for important issues like the prison
industrial complex, media justice, gentrification, a just immigration
policy, police brutality (i.e Sean Bell), war crimes and impeachment
proceedings being levied on those in high office responsible and the
Palestinian perspective in the Middle East to be addressed. With each
passing day they seem to be tossed under the bus with the conventional
wisdom being middle of the road white voters from small towns need to
be appeased. Hence important issues like the aforementioned keep
getting sacrificed.



The other day, a prominent TV News commentator made a highly
offensive, arrogant remark when addressing the recent shift to the
right by Democratic nominee Barack Obama. He was talking about how
those who see themselves as progressive and grassroots and played
significant roles in the success of the Obama campaign, were feeling
disenchanted and had gone so far as to stage a financial protest by
withholding campaign donations until Obama reversed himself.



The pundit was asked if this will hurt Obama, he said it would not.
Obama can afford to sacrifice those issues because that group of
people have nowhere else to go. In other words they (we) can be taken
for granted. That is never a good way to go into a campaign. See the
way things work is like that. We start off making the sacrifice as our
candidate goes for these so called middle of the road white rural
voters. The game plan is once he/she gets in office he/she will start
addressing our issues.



Unfortunately what usually happens is that as soon as they get into
office they have to continue making sacrifices to make sure the party
gets people re-elected in Congress and the Senate. We saw this with
Bill Clinton. In his attempt to get folks re-elected he led the charge
dismantling welfare, building up more prisons and of course shuttling
in media consolidation. Wanna know how Fox News and crazed racist
right wing talk show hosts came into power? Look at the media policies
of Bill Clinton. All this happened when we were all being told to hush
up and let him do these things to help make sure the house and senate
are won by Democrats.



Well this is what happened. The house and Senate were not won by
democrats. All that sacrificing to appeal to white middle of the road
rural voters didn't do a damn thing except lay the foundation for
problems we are dealing with today. When I see Obama who I've
supported cave in on FISA, give a luke warm response to Sean Bell,
support faith based Initiatives, do an about face on campaign reform
and 'refine' his position on the war, I start having flashbacks to
Bill Clinton. When will the sacrifices stop?



Hell lets look back to 2006 when the Democrats took over the house and
senate. The victories was a mandate from voters to immediately end the
war and start impeachment proceedings against George Bush for lying
about our reasons for going to War. Well as we know that never
happened. Progressives and grassroots people were told to pipe down
and sacrifice because we needed to make sure the white house was taken
back and hence impeachment and ending the war was not feasible if we
wanted to make that happen. The sacrifices never stop.



Whether McKinney and Clemente stand a snowball's chance in winning is
not the issue as much as it is making sure large bodies of people go
on record to say there are important issues that need to be addressed.



Instead of appealing to fickle middle of the road voters who more
often than not don't even support us, how about going after the 30-40%
of the people who don't vote? How about really being a candidate of
change and figuring out innovative ways to appeal to them. Trying to
out Bush Bush and his croonies has never ever worked. So right on Rosa
Clemente. we wish you luck and we can count on you to ALWAYS speak
truth to power and not cave in.



Lastly Clemente, reps a trend of young Hip Hop generation folks making
big moves.



First we have BET correspondent Jeff Johnson possibly being the next
commentator on the Tom Joyner morning show.

He may be the voice to replace Tavis Smiley.



Next we have Dr Lamont Hill getting a permanent spot on the Fox News
Team where he is frequent talking head. Hill is by no means a right
winger and he always hold it down. He most recently shut down Bill
O'Reilly during an on air debate.



In Brooklyn's 10th congressional district, longtime Hip Hop activist
Kevin Powell has a really good shot at unseating a 26 year incumbent.

So good are Kevin's chances is that the democratic machine that has
long backed this Congressman Ed Towns has all but abandoned him. Kev
is the man with the momentum.



In Atlanta Hip Hop generation head 31 year old Rev. Markel Hutchins is
mounting a serious challenge to iconic civil rights figure John Lewis.



In a recent debate, Lewis was ano show which did not bode well with
people in his district who are beginning to wonder if he's out of
touch. Most importantly, Hutchins campaign forced Lewis to stop
backing Hillary Clinton and get behind Obama. Hutchins called Lewis
out for being in opposition with 85% of the district.



Below is a recent speech Clemente gave at the media reform conference.



http://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=mmBrj1PRgkU





Hip Hop Activist Accepts VP Slot to Run w/ Cynthia McKinney



JULY 9th, 2008



Today Rosa A. Clemente released the following statement:



"I am honored and excited to accept this invitation to run with
Cynthia McKinney. Cynthia McKinney is a hero to me and many others
across this country and around the world for her courage in standing
up to George Bush while the Democratic Party establishment caved.



"This campaign is the opportunity the Hip-Hop generation has been
working for. This is our time to address the issues affecting our
communities ? rising unemployment, the high cost of food and housing,
a lack of quality public education and access to higher education, the
prison-industrial complex, and unaccountable corporate media. These
issues are not being addressed by either the Republican or Democratic
nominee. "I choose to do this, not for me, but for my generation, my
community and my daughter. I don't see the Green Party as an
alternative; I see it as an imperative. I trust that my Vice
Presidential run will inspire all people, but especially young people
of color, to recognize that we have more then two choices. Together,
we can build the future we've been wanting."



Hip-hop artist M1 says, "I've never voted in the Presidential
election; I've never felt strongly enough about a candidate to.
Knowing that Rosa Clemente is down with Cynthia McKinney's run, I feel
that now is the greatest opportunity for the Hip-Hop community to put
our collective strength and power to the test and vote for someone who
represents who we are and what we stand for."



For more info visit:



www.rosaclemente.com



www.runcynthiarun.org
# SourceDavey D

Hank Chapot - Oakland CA
hchapot at igc.org
510.654.5311
http://hchapot.blogspot.com/
Cogito Ergo Green




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From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Jul 10 11:07:01 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:07:01 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Backpacks needed for homeless vets in Santa
	Clara County...]
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From mkmusic at greens.org  Fri Jul 11 02:57:30 2008
From: mkmusic at greens.org (Merriam Kathaleen)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:57:30 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Demonstration at Zoe Lofgren's office
 this Friday 7/11, 3-6pm
Message-ID: <48772E8A.20501@greens.org>

Hi All,

*IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS COULD START HAPPENING SOON!!!!!  (see below a 
press release from the National Impeachment Network lobbying delegation)*
Things are taking place in Washington D.C. that point to the beginning 
of impeachment hearings and we here locally will continue to do our job 
to help everything along.  We will be out in front of Rep. Zoe Lofgren's 
district office showing her our support for her to DO THE RIGHT THING!!

This is our 35th consecutive week. Please join us this Friday, 7/11 in 
front of Lofgren's office from 3:00pm - 6:00pm.  We want a large 
presence demanding she "*DO HER JOB*."  Zoe's office is at 635 N. 1st 
St., San Jose. (Between Taylor & Jackson St. across from the IHOP 
restaurant/Light Rail stop is corner of Jackson St on 1st St.)  We want 
to be loud and proud for Impeachment hearings for Cheney and Bush.

SEE YOU THERE.

Thanks,
Merriam
Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition
mkmusic03 at aol.com
408-482-6032 (Cell)
svimpeach.org


MEDIA ALERT
July 2008
National Impeachment Network
http://nationalimpeachment.org/


Aspokesperson for a National Impeachment Network (NIN) lobbying 
delegation, which has been meeting with Congress members in WashingtonDC 
this week, said "There is clear evidence that the mood of Congress has 
shifted. Impeachment hearings could start this month. It appears that 
hearings will likely focus on impeachable offenses not requiring 
testimony and lengthy investigations because evidence is on the public 
record -- the administration's refusal to honor subpoenas, the nearly800 
signing statements used to alter the intent of legislation passed by 
Congress, and the deliberate misinformation given to Congress to get 
approval for going to war. We are very optimistic that Cheney and Bush 
are finally going to be held to account and investigated."  


Said another member of the NIN delegation, "The reception we've received 
has been positively amazing. Every Representative we've met with 
supports impeachment strongly. Our team is working hard and will 
continue lobbying efforts through the month of July. We'll be there 
tomorrow when Kucinich introduces his new resolution for impeaching Bush 
for the deliberate intelligence deceptions leading to the Iraq War. And 
Judiciary Committee Chair John Conyers invited the group to sit in on 
the Judiciary Committee hearing where Karl Rove is expected to be cited 
for contempt of Congress. Conyers told the group that he would like to 
deliver the inherent contempt citation to Rove himself. This is 
incredibly exciting. The majority of Americans favor impeachment and 
want the Democratic Party to listen to the grassroots. Congress members 
are going to insist on restoring their oversight authority. We should 
take heart that the breakthrough we've been seeking appears to finally 
be happening."






From alexcathy at aol.com  Fri Jul 11 05:55:09 2008
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:55:09 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Mayor Daley Welcomes You to Chicago
Message-ID: <8CAB16C7BC1B746-15D4-19B6@FWM-D41.sysops.aol.com>






?Mayor Daley Welcomes You to Chicago 









Mayor Richard M. Daley Welcomes You to
Chicago

--Sign in Chicago Midway Airport



Thursday, July 10th



Between the plane and the Orange Line subway train into the city, on my way to
the Green Party National Convention, I had to read "Mayor Richard M.
Daley" a dozen times. Daley is Chicago.
Chicago is
"Duh Mayah" -- perfect symbol for the primitive "Old
Politics" we are here to organize against. 



Thursday night there was a reception for international Greens. A brother from Brazil explained to us the difficulty of
fighting for Greens issues there, reminding us that having a strong Green Party
in the U.S. is absolutely
essential since the U.S. is
the 800-pound gorilla in the world, especially in the Western
 Hemisphere



READ MORE ON CALIFORNIA GREENING AT:



http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2008/07/mayor-daley-welcomes-you-to-chicago.html




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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 11 10:12:44 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:12:44 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] ACLU sues over new FISA Bill
Message-ID: <4877948C.8010809@earthlink.net>


The FISA bill was passed Wednesday, Bush signed it Thursday,
(yesterday), and the ACLU started a lawsuit a few hours later.

 From the ACLU:
     http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nsaspying/35942prs20080710.html

 From the Nation:
     http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/336123
     http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/11/10281/

Gerry




From fredd at freeshell.org  Sat Jul 12 13:20:54 2008
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:20:54 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Chronicle Article, Today
Message-ID: <48791226.5040202@freeshell.org>

We'll never know whether today's Page Three, 2-3/4" X 13", SF Chronicle 
article about "Ex-Dem likely to lead Greens' presidential bid" (by 
Jeffrey Scott of the Cox News Service) was motivated by letters from us 
Greens, but our letters could have made the difference.

I'm wondering if the SJ Mercury News featured any Green Party Convention 
news today.  There's nothing in the PA Daily News.

If we monitor those papers regularly, we can pepper them with more 
letters if they shut out news about third party candidates.

Fred D.


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 12 19:03:35 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:03:35 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [SVBC] LA Times column on "The joy of $8
	gas"]
Message-ID: <48796277.8000804@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [SVBC] LA Times column on "The joy of $8 gas"
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:01:24 -0700
From: Kathy Durham <kfdurham at earthlink.net>
To: bikes at lists.svbc.dreamhost.com



Here's a link I think may be of interest to SVBC members interested
in encouraging more people to choose bicycles for more of their
everyday trips.  You probably have already read serious policy
arguments along these lines, but this is delivered with a Generation
X edge to a wider audience, most of whom have never considered why $8
gas might be a good thing for our society:

Joel Stein, "The joy of $8 gas:

Why life would be better if the cost of fuel here were as high here
as in Europe

"
Los Angeles Times, July 11, 2008

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-stein11-2008jul11,0,258677.column

============
Whole article is worth a read but here's a quote to entice you to
click on the link:

". . .  With public transit use nationally at a 50-year high, traffic
dropped 2.1% in the first four months of this year across the
country. That mileage reduction -- along with people driving smaller
cars, and more slowly, to save gas -- could mean that 12,000 fewer
people will die in traffic accidents this year, according to a study
by professors Michael Morrisey at the University of Alabama at
Birmingham and David C. Grabowski at Harvard Medical School. Air
pollution has been reduced enough, according to UC Davis economics
professor J. Paul Leigh, to prevent 2,200 respiratory-related deaths
over the last year. Less eating out and more walking and biking could
mean a 10% reduction in obesity, according to Charles Courtemanche,
an assistant economics professor at the University of North Carolina
at Greensboro. And, apparently, higher gas prices also keep econ
professors employed."
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 13 09:38:22 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:38:22 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Gardens Save the Day .."
Message-ID: <487A2F7E.5070506@earthlink.net>


About the modern revival of urban and suburban gardens.

     http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/12/10312/

Gerry

P.S. And about the movie WALL-E.



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 13 10:27:52 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:27:52 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "The War, Dems, MoveOn and The Uprising"
Message-ID: <487A3B18.3030600@earthlink.net>


There probably is nothing new in this to you.

But I think the content is great and my be helpful
to others you might want to forward to.

It is an interview of David Sirota by John Stauber.

     http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/13/10321/

"Obama's latest flip-flops are not moves to the "center"
or the "mainstream" - by the empirical public opinion data
on major issues, his moves are ones away from the center
and from the mainstream. That's not surprising - he has
surrounded himself by Washington insiders whose definition
of "the center" is radically different from where the
actual center of American public opinion is. If he
continues down this path, he will hurt his chances of
winning the election. I would advise him to remember where
mainstream public opinion is on issues like trade, the war
and civil liberties is - and instead of going to the center
of a corrupt Washington, go there."



From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sun Jul 13 18:34:01 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:34:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing me
	from regional list
Message-ID: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org>

I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is not
the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake in such
high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I request
the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my subscription
to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
completely unacceptable.


Green is Ethical!

Drew Johnson

County Council Emeritus and
Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other forms of
service I provide)


---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked several times
to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so. This
list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The GPCA
has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.

Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite discussion
topics.

If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to your
discussion list.


Jim
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From justvegan at mac.com  Sun Jul 13 21:07:07 2008
From: justvegan at mac.com (justvegan at mac.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:07:07 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing
	me	from regional list
In-Reply-To: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org>
Message-ID: <E327A905-ACBD-4177-BC64-963C8A37C95F@mac.com>

Hello All,

I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's  
serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something  
to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,  
ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,  
is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails  
should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.

Cheers,

Randy W. Sandberg
www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com


On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:

> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is  
> not
> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake  
> in such
> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I  
> request
> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my  
> subscription
> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
> completely unacceptable.
>
>
> Green is Ethical!
>
> Drew Johnson
>
> County Council Emeritus and
> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other  
> forms of
> service I provide)
>
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message  
> ----------------------------
> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked  
> several times
> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.  
> This
> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The  
> GPCA
> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>
> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite  
> discussion
> topics.
>
> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to  
> your
> discussion list.
>
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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From fredd at freeshell.org  Sun Jul 13 21:47:00 2008
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing
 me	from regional list
In-Reply-To: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org>
Message-ID: <487ADA44.2060707@freeshell.org>

I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.  I'm sure he informs 
and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.

I see no harm.

Fred Duperrault

Hello All,

I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.

Cheers,

Randy W. Sandberg
www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com


On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:

> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is  
> not
> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake  
> in such
> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I  
> request
> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my  
> subscription
> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
> completely unacceptable.
>
>
> Green is Ethical!
>
> Drew Johnson
>
> County Council Emeritus and
> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other  
> forms of
> service I provide)
>
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message  
> ----------------------------
> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked  
> several times
> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.  
> This
> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The  
> GPCA
> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>
> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite  
> discussion
> topics.
>
> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to  
> your
> discussion list.
>
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
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> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>
>
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From kaisha_marie at comcast.net  Mon Jul 14 02:10:27 2008
From: kaisha_marie at comcast.net (kaisha_marie at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:10:27 +0000
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
	unsubscribingme	from regional list
In-Reply-To: <487ADA44.2060707@freeshell.org>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org><487ADA44.2060707@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <1653572900-1216026609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-722019690-@bxe162.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I appreciate Drew's posts and he is the reason I'm green at all. I don't understand why his speech would be limited in any green forum. What are the rules being violated specifically?  

Green is unification,
Kaisha
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>

Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00 
To: Drew Johnson<JamBoi at Greens.org>
Cc: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing
 me	from regional list


I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.  I'm sure he informs 
and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.

I see no harm.

Fred Duperrault

Hello All,

I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.

Cheers,

Randy W. Sandberg
www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com


On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:

> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is  
> not
> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake  
> in such
> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I  
> request
> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my  
> subscription
> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
> completely unacceptable.
>
>
> Green is Ethical!
>
> Drew Johnson
>
> County Council Emeritus and
> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other  
> forms of
> service I provide)
>
>
> ---------------------------- Original Message  
> ----------------------------
> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked  
> several times
> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.  
> This
> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The  
> GPCA
> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>
> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite  
> discussion
> topics.
>
> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to  
> your
> discussion list.
>
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> SC-SM mailing list
> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

_______________________________________________
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 14 08:22:47 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:22:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high
	handedly	unsubscribingme	from regional list
In-Reply-To: <1653572900-1216026609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-722019690-@bxe162.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org><487ADA44.2060707@freeshell.org>
	<1653572900-1216026609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-722019690-@bxe162.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <BAY115-W2110BA65A1FB0E47C559379E8D0@phx.gbl>



I understand the need for rules to limit excessive off-topic posting.  9/11 
rants belong in an impeachment forum only when they specifically address 
impeachable offenses; most impeachment news doesn't belong in a 9/11 
forum.  Probably I have crossed the line in this forum a couple of times.  
Certainly last summer Drew's email volume exceeded my ability to keep 
up and his high-value posts went unread along with the lower-value ones.  
I appreciate Drew's insights and his monitoring of a wide range of issues.  

A certain elasticity in the rules is justified.  On a formal level, a specific 
number of off-topic posts per week might be permitted, with any over 
the limit requiring sponsorship of a county council member.  Informally,
someone might have confederates submit a share of her off-topic posts, 
or limits might be invoked only in cases involving complaints.  Why would 
anyone complain?  If you don't want to read it, don't!  Why should your 
desire to keep your inbox free of unwanted emails prevent others from 
benefiting from them?

Brian






> To: fredd at freeshell.org; sosfbay-discuss-bounces at cagreens.org; JamBoi at Greens.org
> From: kaisha_marie at comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:10:27 +0000
> CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly	unsubscribingme	from regional list
> 
> I appreciate Drew's posts and he is the reason I'm green at all. I don't understand why his speech would be limited in any green forum. What are the rules being violated specifically?  
> 
> Green is unification,
> Kaisha
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
> 
> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00 
> To: Drew Johnson<JamBoi at Greens.org>
> Cc: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing
>  me	from regional list
> 
> 
> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.  I'm sure he informs 
> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
> 
> I see no harm.
> 
> Fred Duperrault
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
> to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Randy W. Sandberg
> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
> 
> 
> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
> 
> > I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is  
> > not
> > the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake  
> > in such
> > high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I  
> > request
> > the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my  
> > subscription
> > to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
> > completely unacceptable.
> >
> >
> > Green is Ethical!
> >
> > Drew Johnson
> >
> > County Council Emeritus and
> > Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other  
> > forms of
> > service I provide)
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------- Original Message  
> > ----------------------------
> > Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
> > From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
> > Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
> > To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked  
> > several times
> > to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.  
> > This
> > list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The  
> > GPCA
> > has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
> >
> > Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
> > remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite  
> > discussion
> > topics.
> >
> > If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to  
> > your
> > discussion list.
> >
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > SC-SM mailing list
> > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
> > http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Jul 14 09:21:28 2008
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Drew's exclusion
Message-ID: <278344.21223.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I thought the Green Party was about inclusion and operating on the best information available, not esclusion and censorship. Anyone who doesn't want to read Drew's e-mails has only to delete them. Green is choice.
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 14 10:09:12 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:09:12 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Iran Shows Its Cards"
Message-ID: <487B8838.6080004@earthlink.net>



Scott Ritter on the implications of an attack on Iran:

      http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/14/10337/

Gerry




From rosasirius at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 14 19:11:21 2008
From: rosasirius at yahoo.com (jodi embry)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:11:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing me
	from regional list
In-Reply-To: <487ADA44.2060707@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <958809.33263.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com>


I hope that no-one decides to take me off the "discuss-list" especially, if I start high-lighting events in the news.
Jodi

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org> wrote:

> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing me from regional list
> To: "Drew Johnson" <JamBoi at Greens.org>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 9:47 PM
> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments. 
> I'm sure he informs 
> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
> 
> I see no harm.
> 
> Fred Duperrault
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much
> everyone, who's
> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has
> something
> to say that is important. That is, information about
> impeachment,
> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling,
> etc., etc.,
> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus,
> Drew's emails
> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the
> GREEN party.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Randy W. Sandberg
> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
> 
> 
> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
> 
> > I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim
> Stauffer.  Jim is  
> > not
> > the king of the e-mail list and does not have the
> right to partake  
> > in such
> > high handed behavior.  This is not a "green"
> way to operate.  I  
> > request
> > the County Council instruct Jim to immediately
> reinstate my  
> > subscription
> > to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that
> this behavior is
> > completely unacceptable.
> >
> >
> > Green is Ethical!
> >
> > Drew Johnson
> >
> > County Council Emeritus and
> > Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among
> many other  
> > forms of
> > service I provide)
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------- Original Message  
> > ----------------------------
> > Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
> > From:    "Jim Stauffer"
> <jims at greens.org>
> > Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
> > To:      "Regional List"
> <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list.
> He's been asked  
> > several times
> > to stop posting general discussion issues, and he
> refuses to do so.  
> > This
> > list is defined for a discussion of regional Green
> Party issues. The  
> > GPCA
> > has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
> >
> > Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his
> only purpose for
> > remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his
> favorite  
> > discussion
> > topics.
> >
> > If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you
> can add him to  
> > your
> > discussion list.
> >
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > SC-SM mailing list
> > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
> > http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


      


From jims at greens.org  Mon Jul 14 19:20:51 2008
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:20:51 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly	unsubscribingme
 from regional list
In-Reply-To: <1653572900-1216026609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-722019690-@bxe162.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org><487ADA44.2060707@freeshell.org>
	<1653572900-1216026609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-722019690-@bxe162.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <487C0983.1080508@greens.org>

Do any of you know what you're talking about?

Can any of you tell me the what list he was removed from and the purpose of 
that list?

Have any of you read GPCA net etiquette policy 
(http://cagreens.org/structure/email_etiquette.shtml) that asks for 
cooperation from participants on these cost-free, advertising-free lists 
that the party provides for your use?

And, finally, what right do any of you have to tell the small membership of 
closed, special-purpose list who they have to allow as members and what 
messages they have to read?

Jim


kaisha_marie at comcast.net wrote:
> I appreciate Drew's posts and he is the reason I'm green at all. I don't understand why his speech would be limited in any green forum. What are the rules being violated specifically?  
> 
> Green is unification,
> Kaisha
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
> 
> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00 
> To: Drew Johnson<JamBoi at Greens.org>
> Cc: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing
>  me	from regional list
> 
> 
> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.  I'm sure he informs 
> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
> 
> I see no harm.
> 
> Fred Duperrault
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
> to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Randy W. Sandberg
> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
> 
> 
> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
> 
>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is  
>> not
>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake  
>> in such
>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I  
>> request
>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my  
>> subscription
>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
>> completely unacceptable.
>>
>>
>> Green is Ethical!
>>
>> Drew Johnson
>>
>> County Council Emeritus and
>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other  
>> forms of
>> service I provide)
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------- Original Message  
>> ----------------------------
>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked  
>> several times
>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.  
>> This
>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The  
>> GPCA
>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>
>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite  
>> discussion
>> topics.
>>
>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to  
>> your
>> discussion list.
>>
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> SC-SM mailing list
>> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 



From jims at greens.org  Mon Jul 14 19:40:52 2008
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:40:52 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Drew's exclusion
In-Reply-To: <278344.21223.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <278344.21223.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <487C0E34.3020204@greens.org>

Caroline -

Since you are County Councilor you need to explain your accusation of 
"esclusion and censorship."

Specifically, how is it censorship when anyone who wants to read Drew's post 
can do so on this list? No one on the other list asked him to copy his 
messages there and no one has complained about his removal.

If you want to make a claim of exclusion, then you'll have to make that 
claim against most of the lists in the state party. Most lists are "closed" 
lists for committees or some other specialized purpose. The membership is 
controlled by the list members themselves, and general discussion topics are 
not allowed. Such is the list from which Drew was removed.

As a person who now holds a position of responsibility in this organization, 
please explain how this is exclusion and censorship. Those are strong 
accusations.

Jim



Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> I thought the Green Party was about inclusion and operating on the best
> information available, not esclusion and censorship. Anyone who doesn't
> want to read Drew's e-mails has only to delete them. Green is choice. 
> Caroline
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing
> list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss



From eameece at california.com  Mon Jul 14 21:02:55 2008
From: eameece at california.com (eric meece)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:02:55 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing me
 from regional list
In-Reply-To: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org>
Message-ID: <web-187752767@california.com>

I hope Drew is reinstated to that list soon. Thanks Drew
for all you do.

Eric Meece

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:34:01 -0700 (PDT)
 "Drew Johnson" <JamBoi at Greens.org> wrote:
> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim
> Stauffer.  Jim is not
> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right
> to partake in such
> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to
> operate.  I request
> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate
> my subscription
> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this
> behavior is
> completely unacceptable.
> 
> 
> Green is Ethical!
> 
> Drew Johnson
> 
> County Council Emeritus and
> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many
> other forms of
> service I provide)
> 
> 
> ---------------------------- Original Message
> ----------------------------
> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been
> asked several times
> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses
> to do so. This
> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party
> issues. The GPCA
> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
> 
> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only
> purpose for
> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his
> favorite discussion
> topics.
> 
> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can
> add him to your
> discussion list.
> 
> 
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> SC-SM mailing list
> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>
http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss



From alexcathy at aol.com  Mon Jul 14 21:33:53 2008
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:33:53 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Greens: Mesplay, Jones, Swift;
	Cynthia McKinney on YouTube
Message-ID: <8CAB44B1EF9BD15-1638-334C@FWM-M30.sysops.aol.com>

Cynthia McKinney has been nominated by the Green Party for President of the United States.

I have posted a link to a YouTube video on my blog at: http://cagreening.blogspot.com/ 

Friday, July 11th 
Candidates Forum

There was a delicious irony to the garish, ostentatious "Red Lacquer" ballroom of Chicago's old Palmer House Hotel being the setting for the final Green Party presidential candidate forum. This hotel is a monument to the First Gilded Age of corrupt capitalist wheeling 'n dealing. Today, my Green Party is the leading edge progressive voice speaking in the Second Gilded Age. . .

Read More At: http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2008/07/great-candidates-mesplay-johnson-and.html 


Saturday, July 12th
Cynthia McKinney Accepts Green Party Nomination

Cynthia McKinney won the Green Party nomination for President of the United States at the Nominating Convention in Chicago in the 1st round of voting Saturday evening...

There was, indeed, amazing energy and excitement in the nominating convention in Chicago Symphony Hall. We were witnessing history being made and everybody in the room knew it. 2008 has been an extraordinary election in these United States. Yes, it has been, though not necessarily as the story is told by the mainstream media (MSM). Both mainstream political parties have emphatically rejected the Bush-Clinton-Bush status quo. However, evidence is piling up in an avalanche that both Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are unwilling and/or unable to turn their respective political camps from driving this nation (and the world) over a cliff. . . 


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From mkmusic at greens.org  Tue Jul 15 01:35:57 2008
From: mkmusic at greens.org (Merriam Kathaleen)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:35:57 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [SVIC] A proposal from Dave Ledesma]
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Hi All,

I am forwarding a plan for all progressive groups to participate in 
consistent demonstrations on issues that concern us.  The following is 
an email I sent to SVIC.

Merriam
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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Tue Jul 15 10:09:35 2008
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:09:35 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Drew's exclusion/confusions
Message-ID: <cf6.36e8fdfc.35ae33cf@aol.com>

Folks!  There is obviously a lot of confusion about Drew  Johnson being 
unsubscribed by Jim Stauffer (as list manager) on the email list  that was created 
for communications between the County Council members of Santa  Clara County 
and San Mateo County.
 
Generally, participants on this list are limited to current  County Council 
members (if only because who needs to be receiving email when you  are not 
involved with the work).  I have remained on this list as a former  GPSCC County 
Council member (1998-2002), but I send a message asking if there is  any 
concern about this after each cycle of elections (on my to do list at this  time).  
The value of former County Council members remaining on the list is  to foster 
institutional memory (what has been done in the past; reminding others  about 
recurring events and activities, etc.).  Additionally, some of us are  
resources because we are involved in state committees and working groups and can  
provide useful state party info to the county councils.  Jim Stauffer  is on 
this list because he has been the region's alternate to the GPCA  Coordinating 
Committee and has been in all respects our Regional Representative  since Jo 
Chamberlain stepped down from that position.
 
So...  Jim unsubscribing Drew from that list has NOTHING  to do with this 
discussion list!!!!
 
I do agree that if Drew wants to be on the County Councils  list, he should 
take that up with GPSCC County Council.  I would ask Drew  to be able to 
clearly explain how his remaining subscribed to that list serves  its purposes of 
facilitating communications and coordinating actions between the  two County 
Councils.
 
Additionally, I would ask County Council members to require  that Drew 
promise not to use that email list as a general bulletin board...  which he has done 
in the past and has refused to stop doing even when Jim and I  have asked him 
to stop adding unnecessary emails to that list.  It is as  though Drew thinks 
that activists who are County Council members do not see the  same messages 
on general discussion lists.  County Council members already  receive 
announcements from the national and state party as recipients on the  GPCA County 
Contacts list.   Jim and I have asked Drew to stop posting  other matters that are 
readily available in other places (including this GPSCC  general discussion 
list), and he has plain flat refused to do  so. 
 
So can we get back to work????    There is a  presidential campaign to 
support with very little time to organize.
 
Warner
 
 
 
 



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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 15 10:34:04 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:34:04 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Impeachment Resolution: First Reading Today]
Message-ID: <487CDF8C.9060509@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Impeachment Resolution: First Reading Today
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:56:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Kucinich <reply at kucinichforcongress.com>
Reply-To: reply at kucinichforcongress.com
To: gerrygras at earthlink.net



[ ]

[Dennis Kucinich - www.Kucinich.us]

Impeachment Resolution: First Reading Today

Dear Friends,

This afternoon, at approximately 5 p.m. (EDT), the Clerk of the House of
Representatives will give the first reading of the Article of
Impeachment of President George Bush. Article One charges the President
with deceiving Congress with fabricated threats of Iraq WMDs to
fraudulently obtain support for an authorization of the use of military
force against Iraq.

Once the Clerk reads the bill, I will move to refer the bill to the
Judiciary Committee for hearings. I believe the American people have a
right to an open airing of the charges against this President. Did he or
did he not lie to take us into a war? I believe the evidence is
overwhelming that President Bush knew that Iraq was not an imminent
threat, was not in possession of WMDs at the time, and had nothing to do
with 911 or with al Queda's role in 911. And yet, despite having facts
to the contrary, he took the U.S. into war with devastating consequences
for our troops, our nation, and the people of Iraq. Congress must hold
hearings.

There can be no greater offense of a President or a Commander in Chief
than to conjure a war based on lies to Congress, to the troops, and to
the people of America.

I love our country with all my heart and I intend to persist until
America is America again.

Please contact your friends and neighbors and ask them to go to our
website at www.Kucinich.us and sign the impeachment petition
<http://impeachment.kucinich.us/petition/>. Thank you for your
continuing support and for your love of our country and its people.

[Sign the petition] <http://impeachment.kucinich.us/petition/>Sincerely,

<http://dialfordennis.com/images_for_emails/Dennis_full_sig.gif>

Dennis

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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Tue Jul 15 11:23:51 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:23:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's pattern of UNGreen,
 tyranous offensive, high-handed behavior
In-Reply-To: <487C0E34.3020204@greens.org>
References: <278344.21223.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<487C0E34.3020204@greens.org>
Message-ID: <2738.75.17.61.205.1216146231.squirrel@www.greens.org>

No No Jim. You got that entirely backwards.  Caroline deserves THE RESPECT
as a Couunty Council member which you just deprived her of. Though you
also have not been on the Council for many years, we TRY to give you
respect DESPITE your OUTRAGEOUS OUTBURSTS OF ANGER WHICH HAVE DRIVEN MANY
ACTIVISTS AWAY FROM OUR PARTY.  While you are currently serving as our
Regional Rep to the Coordinating Committee none of this gives you
justification to operate as a tin plated dictator in this way.

Since YOU are the one taking the completely ungreen, rageaholic, tyranous,
abusive censorious, exclusionary, arbitrary, unilateral, high handed and
unreasonable action YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE why
you think that you have the right to knock a County Council emeritus
member off the list for posting about news of vital interest to Green in
the region.

IMO, instead of subjecting us all to these periodically terrorizing angry
outbursts that Jim indulges himself in and sprays everyone around himself
in, Jim Stauffer needs to get himself to anger management classes ASAP and
take a timeout from party work to get his head straightened out about
treating others with respect and dignity.  Its a matter of taking personal
responsibility for his own behavior.  How many people have been driven
away from this party over the years by Jim personally would be difficult
to guess.  While he provides much knowledge from having been at key
positions over the years Jim's extremely ungreen behavior entirely
detracts from the value he'd otherwise be able to provide.  Let him get
himself together so that he can operate as a real Green rather than a
madman and THEN he will be well enough to fully contribute.

Jim's archnemesis, Mike Feinstein recently took himself mostly out of the
state party mix.  Jim would do very well to do the same.  It would do him,
the GPCA AND the GPSC a WORLD OF GOOD.  We should not be subjected to the
factional fanaticism that the factional alphas like Jo Chamberlain, Peter
Camejo, on the one side of the factional divide or Mike Feinstein on the
other OR their their loyal foot soldiers like Jim Stauffer (of the Jo
Chamberlain/ Peter Camejo faction) that keep that fire alive.

EVERYONE GET THIS:  The post that Jim knocked me off after was the one
about McKinney's choice for VP running mate, Rosa Clemente!!!!  The post I
was about to put on was an official GP-US release describing our new
nominee, Cynthia McKinney and her running mate.  I was AT THE CONVENTION,
TRYING TO PROVIDE CURRENT NEWS TO OUR REGION!!!  HELLO!!! Jim's behavior
is just out of control IMO.

I'm sorry, but Jim's is the one completely confused about what constitutes
items of interest and concern to Greens across the region.

EVERYONE GET THIS: The volume on the list in question is a trickle!!!  Its
hardly used at all!!!  This is a completely in Stauffer's head-only
artificial situation due to Jim's amazingly cramped interpretation of what
is of interest to Green in the regional

I'm thinking that Jim may have altered the list's purpose statement
recently because i seem to recall it was longer, broader and more
inclusive previously. But whether or not this is the case, here's what it
says today:

http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm

"This list is to facilitate communications between SC and SM counties on
regional issues."

Notice this says NOTHING about it being County Council ONLY business or
that ONLY County Council members can post.  Notice it gives no
restrictions (nor should it) as to how.  Notice it does not say that Jim
Stauffer is the definer of ANYTHING, or that he has the authority to
suddenly, arbitrarily and with prejuce boot County Councilor emeritus
members off the list (it doesn't even assert that he has ANYTHING TO DO
WITH THE LIST WHATSOVER).

Jim seems to want to treat the SC-SM list as if it were the Red Phone,
connecting the White House to the Kremlin, only to be used in the direst
of emergencies.  Or as a fire that you have to break the glass in order to
use.  The SC-SM list is treated as if it were so precious it just can
never be used.  Rubbish!!!  Our party resources NEED to be exercised in
order to actually make a difference.  Duh!

Here's what I say:

When our region needs to mobilize to run our races as we do with our
presidential race, ITS REGIONAL BUSINESS.  When we need to talk about how
we run Carol Brouillet's race (in the 14th district which spans both San
Mateo and Santa Clara county) its regional business.  Heck Barry
Hermanson's and Peter Myer's run to some smaller extent is regional
business.

When we need to organize civil rights actions (including impeachment) we
need to communicate it across the whole region.

When we have events we want both county member's to participate in, such
as Tian's parties, its regional business.  Several SM members joined us at
the last, fun and wonderful election night party at Tian's.  Note that Jim
was not a participant.

This SM-SC list is for COMMUNICATION, not to hamper, construct, censor
communication.  I received a number of private e-mails previously re: the
posts I'd put up on the SC-SM list by people who felt intimidated by the
wrathful Jim Stauffer and so didn't want to expose themselves to his
abusive wrath.  IF PEOPLE DO NOT WISH TO READ A POSTING THEY MAY SIMPLY
IGNORE IT OR HIT THE DELETE BUTTON.  THEY DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO DICTATE TO
OTHERS HOW TO COMMUNICATE.


Green is Connection!

Drew Johnson
County Council Emeritus and Delegate to the Green National Committee
(among many, many other contributions)


On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:40, Jim Stauffer wrote:
> Caroline -
>
> Since you are County Councilor you need to explain your accusation of
> "esclusion and censorship."
>
> Specifically, how is it censorship when anyone who wants to read Drew's
> post
> can do so on this list? No one on the other list asked him to copy his
> messages there and no one has complained about his removal.
>
> If you want to make a claim of exclusion, then you'll have to make that
> claim against most of the lists in the state party. Most lists are
> "closed"
> lists for committees or some other specialized purpose. The membership is
> controlled by the list members themselves, and general discussion topics
> are
> not allowed. Such is the list from which Drew was removed.
>
> As a person who now holds a position of responsibility in this
> organization, please explain how this is exclusion and censorship. Those
are strong accusations.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>> I thought the Green Party was about inclusion and operating on the best
>> information available, not esclusion and censorship. Anyone who doesn't
>> want to read Drew's e-mails has only to delete them. Green is choice.
>> Caroline




From JamBoi at Greens.org  Tue Jul 15 12:05:00 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:05:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribingme
 from regional list
In-Reply-To: <487C0983.1080508@greens.org>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org><487ADA44.2060707@freeshell.org>
	<1653572900-1216026609-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-722019690-@bxe162.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<487C0983.1080508@greens.org>
Message-ID: <2786.75.17.61.205.1216148700.squirrel@www.greens.org>

On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:20, Jim Stauffer wrote:
> Do any of you know what you're talking about?


This quote is typically arrogant behavior from Jim Stauffer.  It falls
entirely within his typical pattern of behavior.  How offensive can you
get???

This puts across the entirely elitist message: "Watch out people, do not
cross Jim Stauffer.  He knows what's best for you.  Do not speak out
against his outrageous rageaholic behavior because he will slap you down.

I say the party can not afford to put a rageaholic into a position of
power.  How many have left our party because of Jim's behavior.  Its worth
pointing out that Jim behaves consistently in a consistently misogynistic
manner.  He's a white male and he knows better than you (as in the above
example).  Just rollover people because Jim is the tyrant and you have no
right to question any of his hurtful behavior.  Like Bush, he is entirely
above the shackles of any kind of check on his actions.  Thank you Jim for
giving us a beautiful example of exactly what we Greens are working to
overcome in our world today.


Green is Connection!

Drew


> Can any of you tell me the what list he was removed from and the purpose
> of
> that list?
>
> Have any of you read GPCA net etiquette policy
> (http://cagreens.org/structure/email_etiquette.shtml) that asks for
> cooperation from participants on these cost-free, advertising-free lists
> that the party provides for your use?
>
> And, finally, what right do any of you have to tell the small membership
> of
> closed, special-purpose list who they have to allow as members and what
> messages they have to read?
>
> Jim
>
>
> kaisha_marie at comcast.net wrote:
>> I appreciate Drew's posts and he is the reason I'm green at all. I don't
>> understand why his speech would be limited in any green forum. What are
>> the rules being violated specifically?
>>
>> Green is unification,
>> Kaisha
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00
>> To: Drew Johnson<JamBoi at Greens.org>
>> Cc: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
>> unsubscribing
>>  me	from regional list
>>
>>
>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.  I'm sure he informs
>> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
>>
>> I see no harm.
>>
>> Fred Duperrault
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
>> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
>> to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
>> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Randy W. Sandberg
>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is
>>> not
>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake
>>> in such
>>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I
>>> request
>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my
>>> subscription
>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Green is Ethical!
>>>
>>> Drew Johnson
>>>
>>> County Council Emeritus and
>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other
>>> forms of
>>> service I provide)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>> ----------------------------
>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>>> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
>>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>>> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked
>>> several times
>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.
>>> This
>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The
>>> GPCA
>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>>
>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite
>>> discussion
>>> topics.
>>>
>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to
>>> your
>>> discussion list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SC-SM mailing list
>>> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
>>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>> _______________________________________________
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>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>




From JamBoi at Greens.org  Tue Jul 15 12:13:54 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:13:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Malik Qualifies! Rosa Clemente Identifies! The
 R's and D's Still Lies!
Message-ID: <2806.75.17.61.205.1216149234.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:26:42 -0500
From: "Joni LeViness" <myths16 at cox.net>
Subject: [usgp-dx] Malik Qualifies! Rosa Clemente Identifies! The R's
        and        D's Still Lies!
To: <natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org>

The Present looks Goooooood!
Tho I was hoping Malik would be CM's choice, I resonate with her wisdom in
Rosa Clemente!

Peace,
Joni LeViness gpok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmBrj1PRgkU&feature=related

WDSU TV New Orleans just reported that long time green Malik Rahim qualified
as a Green Party candidate for the Louisiana 2nd district House of Rep. Seat
currently held by William Jefferson.

A film clip showed Malik at the qualifying table in Baton Rouge

Six democratic Party cnadidates qualified for the primary.

If no one else qulifies as a Green for this seat Malik will automaticly go
into the General election in Nov.

Malik Rahim is well known around the country for his work as a co-founder of
Common Ground, a volunteer organization that provided much needed medical
and other help to New orleans residents hurt by the post Katrina flooding.

Malik is also scheduled to be a featured speaker at this weekends Green
Party US Presidential Nominating Convention.

Unforunately I  have no information on where to send contributions for his
campaign.

Les Evenchick
Del to the GPUS National Committee from Louisiana





Les Evenchick
New Orleans                                                     
piratefish at yahoo.com



From jims at greens.org  Tue Jul 15 14:15:37 2008
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:15:37 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing
 me	from regional list
In-Reply-To: <958809.33263.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <958809.33263.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <487D1379.7020704@greens.org>

No one has been removed from the 'discuss' list. Do you believe everything 
Drew tells you?

Jim



jodi embry wrote:
> I hope that no-one decides to take me off the "discuss-list" especially, if I start high-lighting events in the news.
> Jodi
> 
> --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org> wrote:
> 
>> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing me from regional list
>> To: "Drew Johnson" <JamBoi at Greens.org>
>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 9:47 PM
>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments. 
>> I'm sure he informs 
>> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
>>
>> I see no harm.
>>
>> Fred Duperrault
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much
>> everyone, who's
>> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has
>> something
>> to say that is important. That is, information about
>> impeachment,
>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling,
>> etc., etc.,
>> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus,
>> Drew's emails
>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the
>> GREEN party.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Randy W. Sandberg
>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim
>> Stauffer.  Jim is  
>>> not
>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the
>> right to partake  
>>> in such
>>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green"
>> way to operate.  I  
>>> request
>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately
>> reinstate my  
>>> subscription
>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that
>> this behavior is
>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Green is Ethical!
>>>
>>> Drew Johnson
>>>
>>> County Council Emeritus and
>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among
>> many other  
>>> forms of
>>> service I provide)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------- Original Message  
>>> ----------------------------
>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>>> From:    "Jim Stauffer"
>> <jims at greens.org>
>>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>>> To:      "Regional List"
>> <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list.
>> He's been asked  
>>> several times
>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he
>> refuses to do so.  
>>> This
>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green
>> Party issues. The  
>>> GPCA
>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>>
>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his
>> only purpose for
>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his
>> favorite  
>>> discussion
>>> topics.
>>>
>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you
>> can add him to  
>>> your
>>> discussion list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SC-SM mailing list
>>> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
>>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 



From jims at greens.org  Tue Jul 15 14:23:22 2008
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:23:22 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing me
 from regional list
In-Reply-To: <web-187752767@california.com>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org>
	<web-187752767@california.com>
Message-ID: <487D154A.1020001@greens.org>

Eric -

Explain why you should have a say on who is subscribed to a closed list of 
which you are not a member. Why should that list's membership not decide who 
participates? Why should a person who continuously violates the list policy 
be allowed to remain?

Jim



eric meece wrote:
> I hope Drew is reinstated to that list soon. Thanks Drew
> for all you do.
> 
> Eric Meece
> 
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:34:01 -0700 (PDT)
>  "Drew Johnson" <JamBoi at Greens.org> wrote:
>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim
>> Stauffer.  Jim is not
>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right
>> to partake in such
>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to
>> operate.  I request
>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate
>> my subscription
>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this
>> behavior is
>> completely unacceptable.
>>
>>
>> Green is Ethical!
>>
>> Drew Johnson
>>
>> County Council Emeritus and
>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many
>> other forms of
>> service I provide)
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>> ----------------------------
>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been
>> asked several times
>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses
>> to do so. This
>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party
>> issues. The GPCA
>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>
>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only
>> purpose for
>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his
>> favorite discussion
>> topics.
>>
>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can
>> add him to your
>> discussion list.
>>
>>
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> SC-SM mailing list
>> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 



From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul 16 00:01:04 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:01:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Videos of McKinney / Clemente speaking at Green
	Party Convention
Message-ID: <1051.75.17.61.205.1216191664.squirrel@www.greens.org>

From: "Sanda Everette" <sanda at greens.org>
Subject: Re: [usgp-dx] McKinney / Clemente speak at Green Party
        Convention


Power to the People intro after the nomination was announced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R87J0pmaYmQ&NR=1

All 4 speeches are now available on C-span...the two intros and the two
candidate speeches.
http://www.c-span.org/politics/

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Craig Seeman <cseeman at optonline.net>
wrote:

> Cynthia McKinney speaks at the Green Party Convention
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYbkrpgLnDU
>
> Rosa Clemente speaks at the Green Party Convention
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT4H-K6XNO0
>
>
> Viral folks Viral!
> Post links on blogs and News sites. MANY news sites (MAJOR MEDIA SITES)
> have comments on stories that allow links.
>
>
> Craig Seeman
> NY



From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul 16 00:19:24 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:19:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing
 me	from regional list
In-Reply-To: <487D1379.7020704@greens.org>
References: <958809.33263.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<487D1379.7020704@greens.org>
Message-ID: <1082.75.17.61.205.1216192764.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Let's see just how many people Jim can demean and insult in the space of
just a few days.  First he did elected County Councilwoman Caroline
Yacoub, then a whole slew of people were sprayed down with his arrogant
verbal urine in one shot and now Jodi.

BTW Jim.  I have never said that I was removed from this discuss list. 
That is yet another lie you just told.  I'll keep a list your lies too.



Green is Respect!

Drew


On Tue, July 15, 2008 14:15, Jim Stauffer wrote:
> No one has been removed from the 'discuss' list. Do you believe everything
> Drew tells you?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> jodi embry wrote:
>> I hope that no-one decides to take me off the "discuss-list" especially,
>> if I start high-lighting events in the news.
>> Jodi
>>
>> --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
>>> unsubscribing me from regional list
>>> To: "Drew Johnson" <JamBoi at Greens.org>
>>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 9:47 PM
>>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.
>>> I'm sure he informs
>>> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
>>>
>>> I see no harm.
>>>
>>> Fred Duperrault
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much
>>> everyone, who's
>>> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has
>>> something
>>> to say that is important. That is, information about
>>> impeachment,
>>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling,
>>> etc., etc.,
>>> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus,
>>> Drew's emails
>>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the
>>> GREEN party.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Randy W. Sandberg
>>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim
>>> Stauffer.  Jim is
>>>> not
>>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the
>>> right to partake
>>>> in such
>>>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green"
>>> way to operate.  I
>>>> request
>>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately
>>> reinstate my
>>>> subscription
>>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that
>>> this behavior is
>>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Green is Ethical!
>>>>
>>>> Drew Johnson
>>>>
>>>> County Council Emeritus and
>>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among
>>> many other
>>>> forms of
>>>> service I provide)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>> ----------------------------
>>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>>>> From:    "Jim Stauffer"
>>> <jims at greens.org>
>>>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>>>> To:      "Regional List"
>>> <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list.
>>> He's been asked
>>>> several times
>>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he
>>> refuses to do so.
>>>> This
>>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green
>>> Party issues. The
>>>> GPCA
>>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>>>
>>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his
>>> only purpose for
>>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his
>>> favorite
>>>> discussion
>>>> topics.
>>>>
>>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you
>>> can add him to
>>>> your
>>>> discussion list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim




From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul 16 00:22:19 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:22:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribing me
 from regional list
In-Reply-To: <487D154A.1020001@greens.org>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org>
	<web-187752767@california.com> <487D154A.1020001@greens.org>
Message-ID: <1084.75.17.61.205.1216192939.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Yeah Eric.  Don't you understand that his magnificence, Jim Stauffer,
resident angry guy, rageaholic and definer of everyone else's reality has
spoken?  Okay I'll add Eric to the list of people Jim has demeaned and
insulted.  Damn, this list is getting pretty long...


Green is Respect!

Drew Johnson
GPSC County Council Emeritus, and Green National Committee member (among
many other services rendered to the Green Parties)


On Tue, July 15, 2008 14:23, Jim Stauffer wrote:
> Eric -
>
> Explain why you should have a say on who is subscribed to a closed list of
> which you are not a member. Why should that list's membership not decide
> who
> participates? Why should a person who continuously violates the list
> policy
> be allowed to remain?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> eric meece wrote:
>> I hope Drew is reinstated to that list soon. Thanks Drew
>> for all you do.
>>
>> Eric Meece
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:34:01 -0700 (PDT)
>>  "Drew Johnson" <JamBoi at Greens.org> wrote:
>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim
>>> Stauffer.  Jim is not
>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right
>>> to partake in such
>>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to
>>> operate.  I request
>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate
>>> my subscription
>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this
>>> behavior is
>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Green is Ethical!
>>>
>>> Drew Johnson
>>>
>>> County Council Emeritus and
>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many
>>> other forms of
>>> service I provide)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>> ----------------------------
>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>>> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
>>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>>> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been
>>> asked several times
>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses
>>> to do so. This
>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party
>>> issues. The GPCA
>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>>
>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only
>>> purpose for
>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his
>>> favorite discussion
>>> topics.
>>>
>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can
>>> add him to your
>>> discussion list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Jul 16 00:37:11 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:37:11 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
 unsubscribingmefrom regional list
In-Reply-To: <2786.75.17.61.205.1216148700.squirrel@www.greens.org>
References: <2964.99.164.175.193.1215999241.squirrel@greens.org><487ADA44.2060707@freeshell.org><1653572900-1216026609-cardhu_dec
	ombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-722019690-@bxe162.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><487C0983.1080508@greens.org>
	<2786.75.17.61.205.1216148700.squirrel@www.greens.org>
Message-ID: <487DA527.90505@aceweb.com>

I gotta agree that general discussion belongs in the discussion forum.
I've not been on that list so I don't know a "crime" was committed,
but I could believe Drew would post discussion items beyond where they go.

I consider the rant below this a bit over the top. Stauffer often acts
grumpy, but I have never seen him hit anyone. If you allow for his 
personality, he is a fine fellow traveler. Please cut him a little slack.

When we have an activist that wants to do the work Jim is doing quite 
well, then is the time to vote him out of office. Until then, I say
"Why can't we all just get along?"

Tian

Drew Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:20, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>> Do any of you know what you're talking about?
> 
> 
> This quote is typically arrogant behavior from Jim Stauffer.  It falls
> entirely within his typical pattern of behavior.  How offensive can you
> get???
> 
> This puts across the entirely elitist message: "Watch out people, do not
> cross Jim Stauffer.  He knows what's best for you.  Do not speak out
> against his outrageous rageaholic behavior because he will slap you down.
> 
> I say the party can not afford to put a rageaholic into a position of
> power.  How many have left our party because of Jim's behavior.  Its worth
> pointing out that Jim behaves consistently in a consistently misogynistic
> manner.  He's a white male and he knows better than you (as in the above
> example).  Just rollover people because Jim is the tyrant and you have no
> right to question any of his hurtful behavior.  Like Bush, he is entirely
> above the shackles of any kind of check on his actions.  Thank you Jim for
> giving us a beautiful example of exactly what we Greens are working to
> overcome in our world today.
> 
> 
> Green is Connection!
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
>> Can any of you tell me the what list he was removed from and the purpose
>> of
>> that list?
>>
>> Have any of you read GPCA net etiquette policy
>> (http://cagreens.org/structure/email_etiquette.shtml) that asks for
>> cooperation from participants on these cost-free, advertising-free lists
>> that the party provides for your use?
>>
>> And, finally, what right do any of you have to tell the small membership
>> of
>> closed, special-purpose list who they have to allow as members and what
>> messages they have to read?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> kaisha_marie at comcast.net wrote:
>>> I appreciate Drew's posts and he is the reason I'm green at all. I don't
>>> understand why his speech would be limited in any green forum. What are
>>> the rules being violated specifically?
>>>
>>> Green is unification,
>>> Kaisha
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
>>>
>>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00
>>> To: Drew Johnson<JamBoi at Greens.org>
>>> Cc: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
>>> unsubscribing
>>>  me	from regional list
>>>
>>>
>>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.  I'm sure he informs
>>> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
>>>
>>> I see no harm.
>>>
>>> Fred Duperrault
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
>>> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
>>> to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
>>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
>>> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
>>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Randy W. Sandberg
>>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is
>>>> not
>>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake
>>>> in such
>>>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I
>>>> request
>>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my
>>>> subscription
>>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
>>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Green is Ethical!
>>>>
>>>> Drew Johnson
>>>>
>>>> County Council Emeritus and
>>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other
>>>> forms of
>>>> service I provide)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>> ----------------------------
>>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>>>> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
>>>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>>>> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked
>>>> several times
>>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.
>>>> This
>>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The
>>>> GPCA
>>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>>>
>>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
>>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite
>>>> discussion
>>>> topics.
>>>>
>>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to
>>>> your
>>>> discussion list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SC-SM mailing list
>>>> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
>>>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I just got back from the Green Party Convention in Chicago.


From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul 16 00:31:22 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:31:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] I just saw it on CNN.com: McKinney running for
 president as Green candidate
Message-ID: <1195.75.17.61.205.1216193482.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:19:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: attorneyabel at riseup.net
Subject: [usgp-dx] I just saw it on CNN.com: McKinney running for
        president as Green candidate


This is the link to the story about GPUS' nomination of Cynthia McKinney for
President and Rosa Clemente for Vice President on Saturday.

If everybody clicks on the link, maybe it will rise in the Google ratings so
somebody hears this story.  NY Times doesn't cover the news, apparently.

Title: McKinney running for president as Green candidate - CNN.com


http://tinyurl.com/5o6qnu





From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul 16 00:37:15 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:37:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Recall Jim Stauffer from GPCA Coordinating
	Committee
Message-ID: <1208.75.17.61.205.1216193835.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Jim Stauffer has a very long history of rageaholist behavior in Green
Party gathering.  He has hurt many, many people and driven many people
from our party.  I request that the County Council of Santa Clara County
and all the Greens of Santa Clara County Green Party immediately remove
Jim Stauffer from his position of trust as Regional Representative to the
GPCA's Coordinating Committee because he is clearly demonstrating daily in
our midst that he is unfit for that position.

I add this request to my previous request that the Council reinstate me to
the SC-SM list and make it very clear to Jim Stauffer that this behavior
was completely unacceptable.


Green is Core!

Drew Johnson
GPSC County Council Emeritus and GNC delegate (among so many contributions
that its hard for me to track them all). :-)



From wechslertoo at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 16 01:16:42 2008
From: wechslertoo at earthlink.net (Curt Wechsler)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:16:42 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
	unsubscribingme	from regional list
Message-ID: <410-22008731681642218@earthlink.net>

Look, people are dying, others being tortured, an attack on Iran pending,
and you persist in your petty squabbles.  Be ashamed.  Grow up.  Make
yourselves useful. 


> [Original Message]
> From: Drew Johnson <JamBoi at Greens.org>
> To: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Date: 7/16/2008 12:19:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
unsubscribingme	from regional list
>
> Let's see just how many people Jim can demean and insult in the space of
> just a few days.  First he did elected County Councilwoman Caroline
> Yacoub, then a whole slew of people were sprayed down with his arrogant
> verbal urine in one shot and now Jodi.
>
> BTW Jim.  I have never said that I was removed from this discuss list. 
> That is yet another lie you just told.  I'll keep a list your lies too.
>
>
>
> Green is Respect!
>
> Drew
>
>
> On Tue, July 15, 2008 14:15, Jim Stauffer wrote:
> > No one has been removed from the 'discuss' list. Do you believe
everything
> > Drew tells you?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > jodi embry wrote:
> >> I hope that no-one decides to take me off the "discuss-list"
especially,
> >> if I start high-lighting events in the news.
> >> Jodi
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 7/13/08, Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
> >>> unsubscribing me from regional list
> >>> To: "Drew Johnson" <JamBoi at Greens.org>
> >>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >>> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 9:47 PM
> >>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.
> >>> I'm sure he informs
> >>> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
> >>>
> >>> I see no harm.
> >>>
> >>> Fred Duperrault
> >>>
> >>> Hello All,
> >>>
> >>> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much
> >>> everyone, who's
> >>> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has
> >>> something
> >>> to say that is important. That is, information about
> >>> impeachment,
> >>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling,
> >>> etc., etc.,
> >>> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus,
> >>> Drew's emails
> >>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the
> >>> GREEN party.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Randy W. Sandberg
> >>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim
> >>> Stauffer.  Jim is
> >>>> not
> >>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the
> >>> right to partake
> >>>> in such
> >>>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green"
> >>> way to operate.  I
> >>>> request
> >>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately
> >>> reinstate my
> >>>> subscription
> >>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that
> >>> this behavior is
> >>>> completely unacceptable.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Green is Ethical!
> >>>>
> >>>> Drew Johnson
> >>>>
> >>>> County Council Emeritus and
> >>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among
> >>> many other
> >>>> forms of
> >>>> service I provide)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
> >>>> ----------------------------
> >>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
> >>>> From:    "Jim Stauffer"
> >>> <jims at greens.org>
> >>>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
> >>>> To:      "Regional List"
> >>> <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
> >>>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list.
> >>> He's been asked
> >>>> several times
> >>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he
> >>> refuses to do so.
> >>>> This
> >>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green
> >>> Party issues. The
> >>>> GPCA
> >>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his
> >>> only purpose for
> >>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his
> >>> favorite
> >>>> discussion
> >>>> topics.
> >>>>
> >>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you
> >>> can add him to
> >>>> your
> >>>> discussion list.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss





From JGSHURT69 at aol.com  Wed Jul 16 06:16:42 2008
From: JGSHURT69 at aol.com (JGSHURT69 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:16:42 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Re Jim and Drew
Message-ID: <c2d.3c34d49f.35af4eba@aol.com>

Petty squabbles. Typically personal attacks. Get over it, and get on  with 
our work. Build the Green Perspective, Green Values, direct action  
projects......not this distraction BS.
 
Jeffrey in San Bruno



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From alexcathy at aol.com  Wed Jul 16 06:48:07 2008
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:48:07 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Recall Jim Stauffer? Let's Not Get Carried
	Away
In-Reply-To: <1208.75.17.61.205.1216193835.squirrel@www.greens.org>
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My Dear Green Friends, 

Let's not get carried away!? 

This incident is unfortunate, but not a big deal.? With one of the most important elections in the history of the United States coming up, now is not the time to fool around with recalling Greens.? 

Now that things are mercifully settling down in Los Angeles, we don't need the brothers and sisters of Santa Clara bumping up the California?Green dysfunction index.??I've known and worked with Jim for years.? Jim is a hero of the Green Revolution.? I have?also been a great admirer of Drew's work promoting?Green values.? 

I agree 100% with Tian: "Why can't we all just get along?"

Alex Walker


-----Original Message-----

From: Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com>

To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org

Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:37 am

Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribingmefrom regional list


. . .Stauffer often acts grumpy, but I have never seen him hit anyone. If you allow for his personality, he is a fine fellow traveler. Please cut him a little slack.

When we have an activist that wants to do the work Jim is doing quite well, then is the time to vote him out of office. Until then, I say "Why can't we all just get along?"


Tian


?


-----Original Message-----

From: Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com>

To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org

Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:37 am

Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribingmefrom regional list


. . .Stauffer often acts grumpy, but I have never seen him hit anyone. If you allow for his personality, he is a fine fellow traveler. Please cut him a little slack.

When we have an activist that wants to do the work Jim is doing quite well, then is the time to vote him out of office. Until then, I say "Why can't we all just get along?"


Tian


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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul 16 07:54:30 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:54:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
 unsubscribingmefrom regional list
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Jim's mischaracterization that this was about 'general discussion' is
misleading and innacurate and therefore is irrelevant.

Hitting a person is far from the only form of violence.  Month by month we
have been subjected to Jim's violent attitude towards any that disagree
with him.  I know for a fact that numerous people (especially women
because of his misogynistic attitudes) have been turned off of our
county's party and have not returned based on what you call Tian his
'personality'.  Its not his personality.  Its that he is an unrecovered
rageaholic.  He needs help but apparently doesn't take steps to get Anger
Management or whatever it is that would address his issues.  Just in the
past few days a number of Santa Clara Greens have been abused by Jim on
the e-mail list.  This arrogant and tyrannous behavior is completely
unacceptable of someone who we have entrusted with being our Regional
Representative to the GPCA Coordinating Committee.

Further it is not Jim's perview to arbitrarily and unilaterally take a
GPSC County Councilor emeritus
off any GPCA e-mail list.  He is not the king of anything.  He did not
have the right to act in such an emperious way.

We can not afford to continue to turn a blind eye to Jim's ongoing
egregious toxic behavior, so we need to protect our membership by removing
the power investing in Jim's that he is injuring other people and our
party with.

No I will not drop my requests to the County Council.  Absolutely not.


Green is Safe!

Drew


On Wed, July 16, 2008 00:37, Tian Harter wrote:
> I gotta agree that general discussion belongs in the discussion forum.
> I've not been on that list so I don't know a "crime" was committed,
> but I could believe Drew would post discussion items beyond where they go.
>
> I consider the rant below this a bit over the top. Stauffer often acts
> grumpy, but I have never seen him hit anyone. If you allow for his
> personality, he is a fine fellow traveler. Please cut him a little slack.
>
> When we have an activist that wants to do the work Jim is doing quite
> well, then is the time to vote him out of office. Until then, I say
> "Why can't we all just get along?"
>
> Tian
>
> Drew Johnson wrote:
>> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:20, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>> Do any of you know what you're talking about?
>>
>>
>> This quote is typically arrogant behavior from Jim Stauffer.  It falls
>> entirely within his typical pattern of behavior.  How offensive can you
>> get???
>>
>> This puts across the entirely elitist message: "Watch out people, do not
>> cross Jim Stauffer.  He knows what's best for you.  Do not speak out
>> against his outrageous rageaholic behavior because he will slap you
>> down.
>>
>> I say the party can not afford to put a rageaholic into a position of
>> power.  How many have left our party because of Jim's behavior.  Its
>> worth
>> pointing out that Jim behaves consistently in a consistently
>> misogynistic
>> manner.  He's a white male and he knows better than you (as in the above
>> example).  Just rollover people because Jim is the tyrant and you have
>> no
>> right to question any of his hurtful behavior.  Like Bush, he is
>> entirely
>> above the shackles of any kind of check on his actions.  Thank you Jim
>> for
>> giving us a beautiful example of exactly what we Greens are working to
>> overcome in our world today.
>>
>>
>> Green is Connection!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>>> Can any of you tell me the what list he was removed from and the
>>> purpose
>>> of
>>> that list?
>>>
>>> Have any of you read GPCA net etiquette policy
>>> (http://cagreens.org/structure/email_etiquette.shtml) that asks for
>>> cooperation from participants on these cost-free, advertising-free
>>> lists
>>> that the party provides for your use?
>>>
>>> And, finally, what right do any of you have to tell the small
>>> membership
>>> of
>>> closed, special-purpose list who they have to allow as members and what
>>> messages they have to read?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> kaisha_marie at comcast.net wrote:
>>>> I appreciate Drew's posts and he is the reason I'm green at all. I
>>>> don't
>>>> understand why his speech would be limited in any green forum. What
>>>> are
>>>> the rules being violated specifically?
>>>>
>>>> Green is unification,
>>>> Kaisha
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00
>>>> To: Drew Johnson<JamBoi at Greens.org>
>>>> Cc: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
>>>> unsubscribing
>>>>  me	from regional list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.  I'm sure he
>>>> informs
>>>> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
>>>>
>>>> I see no harm.
>>>>
>>>> Fred Duperrault
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
>>>> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
>>>> to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
>>>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
>>>> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
>>>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Randy W. Sandberg
>>>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is
>>>>> not
>>>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake
>>>>> in such
>>>>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I
>>>>> request
>>>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my
>>>>> subscription
>>>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
>>>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Green is Ethical!
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew Johnson
>>>>>
>>>>> County Council Emeritus and
>>>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other
>>>>> forms of
>>>>> service I provide)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>>>>> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
>>>>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>>>>> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked
>>>>> several times
>>>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.
>>>>> This
>>>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The
>>>>> GPCA
>>>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
>>>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite
>>>>> discussion
>>>>> topics.
>>>>>
>>>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to
>>>>> your
>>>>> discussion list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> SC-SM mailing list
>>>>> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
>>>>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
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>
> --
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> I just got back from the Green Party Convention in Chicago.
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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Wed Jul 16 07:59:08 2008
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (cls at truffula.sj.ca.us)
Date: 16 Jul 2008 14:59:08 -0000
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Recall Jim Stauffer from GPCA Coordinating
	Committee
Message-ID: <20080716145908.12979.qmail@truffula.sj.ca.us>


The owner of an Internet mailing list is captain of his ship.
If you don't like the way he runs it, you start a competing list.
If you're right, his list dies.  That's the only way it's ever worked.


Cameron



From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Wed Jul 16 08:11:15 2008
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (cls at truffula.sj.ca.us)
Date: 16 Jul 2008 15:11:15 -0000
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Recall Jim Stauffer? Let's Not Get Carried
	Away
Message-ID: <20080716151115.13186.qmail@truffula.sj.ca.us>


Hey, maybe Jim is wrong and Drew really knows better than Jim and his
subscribers what they subscribed to that list for.  Maybe it really is
the "anything Drew thinks is interesting" list.  Maybe all lists are.

Cameron




From JamBoi at Greens.org  Wed Jul 16 08:37:30 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:37:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Recall Jim Stauffer? Yes!
In-Reply-To: <20080716151115.13186.qmail@truffula.sj.ca.us>
References: <20080716151115.13186.qmail@truffula.sj.ca.us>
Message-ID: <2433.75.17.61.205.1216222650.squirrel@greens.org>

Hey, maybe Jim is always right about everything and its perfectly okay for
him to abuse and turn away scores of people in the party.  After all he is
the almighty Jim Stauffer.

Or maybe we might just want to democratically discuss and work out how we
want our e-mail lists (which belong to the party, not to the e-mail list
administrator) run?  Maybe we might want a transparent, open procedure of
greviences instead of one white male intimidator, dominator tyrant ,
judge, jury and executioner, unilaterally and arbitrarily pronouncing the
sentence of doom and carrying it out. Let's see, Grassroots Democracy or
elitism, Grassroots Democracy or Elitsism.  Hmmm... which one best fits
our values...


Green is Principled!

Drew
On Wed, July 16, 2008 08:11, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us wrote:
>
> Hey, maybe Jim is wrong and Drew really knows better than Jim and his
> subscribers what they subscribed to that list for.  Maybe it really is
> the "anything Drew thinks is interesting" list.  Maybe all lists are.
>
> Cameron
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>




From jims at greens.org  Wed Jul 16 19:24:44 2008
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:24:44 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] To Drew and his Friends
In-Reply-To: <2738.75.17.61.205.1216146231.squirrel@www.greens.org>
References: <278344.21223.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<487C0E34.3020204@greens.org>
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Message-ID: <487EAD6C.7080709@greens.org>

Drew, you seriously need to see a therapist. You're embarrassing yourself 
with these lies, as you have so often embarrassed the Green Party. Get some 
help!

To those of you who appear to believe any lie that Drew spits out, why don't 
you find something meaningful to do with your lives instead of attacking 
people on email lists.

I'm not interested in hearing anything more from any of you. I'm 
unsubscribing from this list.

Jim




Drew Johnson wrote:
> No No Jim. You got that entirely backwards.  Caroline deserves THE RESPECT
> as a Couunty Council member which you just deprived her of. Though you
> also have not been on the Council for many years, we TRY to give you
> respect DESPITE your OUTRAGEOUS OUTBURSTS OF ANGER WHICH HAVE DRIVEN MANY
> ACTIVISTS AWAY FROM OUR PARTY.  While you are currently serving as our
> Regional Rep to the Coordinating Committee none of this gives you
> justification to operate as a tin plated dictator in this way.
> 
> Since YOU are the one taking the completely ungreen, rageaholic, tyranous,
> abusive censorious, exclusionary, arbitrary, unilateral, high handed and
> unreasonable action YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE why
> you think that you have the right to knock a County Council emeritus
> member off the list for posting about news of vital interest to Green in
> the region.
> 
> IMO, instead of subjecting us all to these periodically terrorizing angry
> outbursts that Jim indulges himself in and sprays everyone around himself
> in, Jim Stauffer needs to get himself to anger management classes ASAP and
> take a timeout from party work to get his head straightened out about
> treating others with respect and dignity.  Its a matter of taking personal
> responsibility for his own behavior.  How many people have been driven
> away from this party over the years by Jim personally would be difficult
> to guess.  While he provides much knowledge from having been at key
> positions over the years Jim's extremely ungreen behavior entirely
> detracts from the value he'd otherwise be able to provide.  Let him get
> himself together so that he can operate as a real Green rather than a
> madman and THEN he will be well enough to fully contribute.
> 
> Jim's archnemesis, Mike Feinstein recently took himself mostly out of the
> state party mix.  Jim would do very well to do the same.  It would do him,
> the GPCA AND the GPSC a WORLD OF GOOD.  We should not be subjected to the
> factional fanaticism that the factional alphas like Jo Chamberlain, Peter
> Camejo, on the one side of the factional divide or Mike Feinstein on the
> other OR their their loyal foot soldiers like Jim Stauffer (of the Jo
> Chamberlain/ Peter Camejo faction) that keep that fire alive.
> 
> EVERYONE GET THIS:  The post that Jim knocked me off after was the one
> about McKinney's choice for VP running mate, Rosa Clemente!!!!  The post I
> was about to put on was an official GP-US release describing our new
> nominee, Cynthia McKinney and her running mate.  I was AT THE CONVENTION,
> TRYING TO PROVIDE CURRENT NEWS TO OUR REGION!!!  HELLO!!! Jim's behavior
> is just out of control IMO.
> 
> I'm sorry, but Jim's is the one completely confused about what constitutes
> items of interest and concern to Greens across the region.
> 
> EVERYONE GET THIS: The volume on the list in question is a trickle!!!  Its
> hardly used at all!!!  This is a completely in Stauffer's head-only
> artificial situation due to Jim's amazingly cramped interpretation of what
> is of interest to Green in the regional
> 
> I'm thinking that Jim may have altered the list's purpose statement
> recently because i seem to recall it was longer, broader and more
> inclusive previously. But whether or not this is the case, here's what it
> says today:
> 
> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
> 
> "This list is to facilitate communications between SC and SM counties on
> regional issues."
> 
> Notice this says NOTHING about it being County Council ONLY business or
> that ONLY County Council members can post.  Notice it gives no
> restrictions (nor should it) as to how.  Notice it does not say that Jim
> Stauffer is the definer of ANYTHING, or that he has the authority to
> suddenly, arbitrarily and with prejuce boot County Councilor emeritus
> members off the list (it doesn't even assert that he has ANYTHING TO DO
> WITH THE LIST WHATSOVER).
> 
> Jim seems to want to treat the SC-SM list as if it were the Red Phone,
> connecting the White House to the Kremlin, only to be used in the direst
> of emergencies.  Or as a fire that you have to break the glass in order to
> use.  The SC-SM list is treated as if it were so precious it just can
> never be used.  Rubbish!!!  Our party resources NEED to be exercised in
> order to actually make a difference.  Duh!
> 
> Here's what I say:
> 
> When our region needs to mobilize to run our races as we do with our
> presidential race, ITS REGIONAL BUSINESS.  When we need to talk about how
> we run Carol Brouillet's race (in the 14th district which spans both San
> Mateo and Santa Clara county) its regional business.  Heck Barry
> Hermanson's and Peter Myer's run to some smaller extent is regional
> business.
> 
> When we need to organize civil rights actions (including impeachment) we
> need to communicate it across the whole region.
> 
> When we have events we want both county member's to participate in, such
> as Tian's parties, its regional business.  Several SM members joined us at
> the last, fun and wonderful election night party at Tian's.  Note that Jim
> was not a participant.
> 
> This SM-SC list is for COMMUNICATION, not to hamper, construct, censor
> communication.  I received a number of private e-mails previously re: the
> posts I'd put up on the SC-SM list by people who felt intimidated by the
> wrathful Jim Stauffer and so didn't want to expose themselves to his
> abusive wrath.  IF PEOPLE DO NOT WISH TO READ A POSTING THEY MAY SIMPLY
> IGNORE IT OR HIT THE DELETE BUTTON.  THEY DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO DICTATE TO
> OTHERS HOW TO COMMUNICATE.
> 
> 
> Green is Connection!
> 
> Drew Johnson
> County Council Emeritus and Delegate to the Green National Committee
> (among many, many other contributions)
> 
> 
> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:40, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>> Caroline -
>>
>> Since you are County Councilor you need to explain your accusation of
>> "esclusion and censorship."
>>
>> Specifically, how is it censorship when anyone who wants to read Drew's
>> post
>> can do so on this list? No one on the other list asked him to copy his
>> messages there and no one has complained about his removal.
>>
>> If you want to make a claim of exclusion, then you'll have to make that
>> claim against most of the lists in the state party. Most lists are
>> "closed"
>> lists for committees or some other specialized purpose. The membership is
>> controlled by the list members themselves, and general discussion topics
>> are
>> not allowed. Such is the list from which Drew was removed.
>>
>> As a person who now holds a position of responsibility in this
>> organization, please explain how this is exclusion and censorship. Those
> are strong accusations.
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>> I thought the Green Party was about inclusion and operating on the best
>>> information available, not esclusion and censorship. Anyone who doesn't
>>> want to read Drew's e-mails has only to delete them. Green is choice.
>>> Caroline
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 



From justvegan at mac.com  Wed Jul 16 20:43:20 2008
From: justvegan at mac.com (justvegan at mac.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:43:20 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] To Drew and his Friends
In-Reply-To: <487EAD6C.7080709@greens.org>
References: <278344.21223.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<487C0E34.3020204@greens.org>
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	<487EAD6C.7080709@greens.org>
Message-ID: <1824F498-6552-45A3-B363-C4ABA10ADF8A@mac.com>

Dear Jim,

What's up? Scientists say there will be no ice at the North Pole come  
*this* Summertime. And, if we continue doing things the non-Green way,  
there will be no ice at all anywhere in five years from now.  
Corporations own the governments, the police forces, and the armies.  
We're f**ked in so many ways right now I cannot even begin to express  
my angst towards these evil doers who are bringing Earth to its demise.

On the flip-side the only hope us awoken folks have at not seeing an  
end to everything we know is through the masses. The masses who need  
to be woken up. And it's going to take Drew, yourself, me, and a whole  
bunch of other folks to get the message out working night and day.  
Sadly, thus far, for at least the last few days, it seems that you  
have spent a goodly amount of your valuable time trying to be right.  
Why?

Like I said in my first email regarding your angst towards Drew, with  
all that's going on right now, everything really does matter and  
everything is truly connected. For instance, folks who educate others  
about 9/11 and who really did the deed have everything in common with  
folks who are calling for impeachment. Yep, folks who are calling for  
impeachment ultimately want to uncover EVERYTHING Bush and His cohorts  
have done which will most certainly unravel the whole 9/11 mess.  
Moreover, impeachment will also get to the bottom of how Bush has shut  
down warnings about Global Climate Change and how we really are to  
blame for it.

Thus, please turn your energies towards what all of of are trying to  
accomplish -- saving Mother Earth and all of its inhabitants from the  
ravages of the Corporations.

Sincerely,

Randy W. Sandberg
www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com


On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote:

> Drew, you seriously need to see a therapist. You're embarrassing  
> yourself
> with these lies, as you have so often embarrassed the Green Party.  
> Get some
> help!
>
> To those of you who appear to believe any lie that Drew spits out,  
> why don't
> you find something meaningful to do with your lives instead of  
> attacking
> people on email lists.
>
> I'm not interested in hearing anything more from any of you. I'm
> unsubscribing from this list.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> Drew Johnson wrote:
>> No No Jim. You got that entirely backwards.  Caroline deserves THE  
>> RESPECT
>> as a Couunty Council member which you just deprived her of. Though  
>> you
>> also have not been on the Council for many years, we TRY to give you
>> respect DESPITE your OUTRAGEOUS OUTBURSTS OF ANGER WHICH HAVE  
>> DRIVEN MANY
>> ACTIVISTS AWAY FROM OUR PARTY.  While you are currently serving as  
>> our
>> Regional Rep to the Coordinating Committee none of this gives you
>> justification to operate as a tin plated dictator in this way.
>>
>> Since YOU are the one taking the completely ungreen, rageaholic,  
>> tyranous,
>> abusive censorious, exclusionary, arbitrary, unilateral, high  
>> handed and
>> unreasonable action YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO EXPLAIN TO  
>> EVERYONE why
>> you think that you have the right to knock a County Council emeritus
>> member off the list for posting about news of vital interest to  
>> Green in
>> the region.
>>
>> IMO, instead of subjecting us all to these periodically terrorizing  
>> angry
>> outbursts that Jim indulges himself in and sprays everyone around  
>> himself
>> in, Jim Stauffer needs to get himself to anger management classes  
>> ASAP and
>> take a timeout from party work to get his head straightened out about
>> treating others with respect and dignity.  Its a matter of taking  
>> personal
>> responsibility for his own behavior.  How many people have been  
>> driven
>> away from this party over the years by Jim personally would be  
>> difficult
>> to guess.  While he provides much knowledge from having been at key
>> positions over the years Jim's extremely ungreen behavior entirely
>> detracts from the value he'd otherwise be able to provide.  Let him  
>> get
>> himself together so that he can operate as a real Green rather than a
>> madman and THEN he will be well enough to fully contribute.
>>
>> Jim's archnemesis, Mike Feinstein recently took himself mostly out  
>> of the
>> state party mix.  Jim would do very well to do the same.  It would  
>> do him,
>> the GPCA AND the GPSC a WORLD OF GOOD.  We should not be subjected  
>> to the
>> factional fanaticism that the factional alphas like Jo Chamberlain,  
>> Peter
>> Camejo, on the one side of the factional divide or Mike Feinstein  
>> on the
>> other OR their their loyal foot soldiers like Jim Stauffer (of the Jo
>> Chamberlain/ Peter Camejo faction) that keep that fire alive.
>>
>> EVERYONE GET THIS:  The post that Jim knocked me off after was the  
>> one
>> about McKinney's choice for VP running mate, Rosa Clemente!!!!  The  
>> post I
>> was about to put on was an official GP-US release describing our new
>> nominee, Cynthia McKinney and her running mate.  I was AT THE  
>> CONVENTION,
>> TRYING TO PROVIDE CURRENT NEWS TO OUR REGION!!!  HELLO!!! Jim's  
>> behavior
>> is just out of control IMO.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but Jim's is the one completely confused about what  
>> constitutes
>> items of interest and concern to Greens across the region.
>>
>> EVERYONE GET THIS: The volume on the list in question is a  
>> trickle!!!  Its
>> hardly used at all!!!  This is a completely in Stauffer's head-only
>> artificial situation due to Jim's amazingly cramped interpretation  
>> of what
>> is of interest to Green in the regional
>>
>> I'm thinking that Jim may have altered the list's purpose statement
>> recently because i seem to recall it was longer, broader and more
>> inclusive previously. But whether or not this is the case, here's  
>> what it
>> says today:
>>
>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>
>> "This list is to facilitate communications between SC and SM  
>> counties on
>> regional issues."
>>
>> Notice this says NOTHING about it being County Council ONLY  
>> business or
>> that ONLY County Council members can post.  Notice it gives no
>> restrictions (nor should it) as to how.  Notice it does not say  
>> that Jim
>> Stauffer is the definer of ANYTHING, or that he has the authority to
>> suddenly, arbitrarily and with prejuce boot County Councilor emeritus
>> members off the list (it doesn't even assert that he has ANYTHING  
>> TO DO
>> WITH THE LIST WHATSOVER).
>>
>> Jim seems to want to treat the SC-SM list as if it were the Red  
>> Phone,
>> connecting the White House to the Kremlin, only to be used in the  
>> direst
>> of emergencies.  Or as a fire that you have to break the glass in  
>> order to
>> use.  The SC-SM list is treated as if it were so precious it just can
>> never be used.  Rubbish!!!  Our party resources NEED to be  
>> exercised in
>> order to actually make a difference.  Duh!
>>
>> Here's what I say:
>>
>> When our region needs to mobilize to run our races as we do with our
>> presidential race, ITS REGIONAL BUSINESS.  When we need to talk  
>> about how
>> we run Carol Brouillet's race (in the 14th district which spans  
>> both San
>> Mateo and Santa Clara county) its regional business.  Heck Barry
>> Hermanson's and Peter Myer's run to some smaller extent is regional
>> business.
>>
>> When we need to organize civil rights actions (including  
>> impeachment) we
>> need to communicate it across the whole region.
>>
>> When we have events we want both county member's to participate in,  
>> such
>> as Tian's parties, its regional business.  Several SM members  
>> joined us at
>> the last, fun and wonderful election night party at Tian's.  Note  
>> that Jim
>> was not a participant.
>>
>> This SM-SC list is for COMMUNICATION, not to hamper, construct,  
>> censor
>> communication.  I received a number of private e-mails previously  
>> re: the
>> posts I'd put up on the SC-SM list by people who felt intimidated  
>> by the
>> wrathful Jim Stauffer and so didn't want to expose themselves to his
>> abusive wrath.  IF PEOPLE DO NOT WISH TO READ A POSTING THEY MAY  
>> SIMPLY
>> IGNORE IT OR HIT THE DELETE BUTTON.  THEY DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO  
>> DICTATE TO
>> OTHERS HOW TO COMMUNICATE.
>>
>>
>> Green is Connection!
>>
>> Drew Johnson
>> County Council Emeritus and Delegate to the Green National Committee
>> (among many, many other contributions)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:40, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>> Caroline -
>>>
>>> Since you are County Councilor you need to explain your accusation  
>>> of
>>> "esclusion and censorship."
>>>
>>> Specifically, how is it censorship when anyone who wants to read  
>>> Drew's
>>> post
>>> can do so on this list? No one on the other list asked him to copy  
>>> his
>>> messages there and no one has complained about his removal.
>>>
>>> If you want to make a claim of exclusion, then you'll have to make  
>>> that
>>> claim against most of the lists in the state party. Most lists are
>>> "closed"
>>> lists for committees or some other specialized purpose. The  
>>> membership is
>>> controlled by the list members themselves, and general discussion  
>>> topics
>>> are
>>> not allowed. Such is the list from which Drew was removed.
>>>
>>> As a person who now holds a position of responsibility in this
>>> organization, please explain how this is exclusion and censorship.  
>>> Those
>> are strong accusations.
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>> I thought the Green Party was about inclusion and operating on  
>>>> the best
>>>> information available, not esclusion and censorship. Anyone who  
>>>> doesn't
>>>> want to read Drew's e-mails has only to delete them. Green is  
>>>> choice.
>>>> Caroline
>>
>>
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From mkmusic at greens.org  Thu Jul 17 00:41:00 2008
From: mkmusic at greens.org (Merriam Kathaleen)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:41:00 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: ACTION ALERT]
Message-ID: <487EF78C.6050602@greens.org>

Hi All,

What do you think?  Do we get excited about this development, did the 
Republicans really brake rank or is it just another ploy by them like 
the House voting game was when Kucinich presented his 35 Articles for 
Impeachment?

Any discussion on this is greatly appreciated.  Maybe I'm a bit too 
skeptical today.

Merriam
Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:12:56 -0700
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This is a BIG deal!!!


On Jul 17, 2008, at 12:41 AM, Merriam Kathaleen wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> What do you think?  Do we get excited about this development, did  
> the Republicans really brake rank or is it just another ploy by them  
> like the House voting game was when Kucinich presented his 35  
> Articles for Impeachment?
>
> Any discussion on this is greatly appreciated.  Maybe I'm a bit too  
> skeptical today.
>
> Merriam
> Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition
>
> From: "Tobi Dragert, Coordinator" <tdragert at gmail.com>
> Date: July 16, 2008 2:44:43 PM PDT
> To: mkmusic at greens.org
> Subject: ACTION ALERT
> Reply-To: tdragert at gmail.com
>
>
> NATIONAL IMPEACHMENT NETWORK
> ACTION ALERT: THEY'RE BREAKING RANKS!
> July 16, 2008
> Sorry - this is longer than an action alert should be, but it's all  
> such good stuff!  Tobi
>
> 9 Republicans Vote for Impeachment Hearings, 10 Abstain
> by Ralph Lopez
> Wed Jul 16, 2008 at 01:10:01 PM PDT
>
> On Daily Kos, Ralph Lopez reports:  In a stunning development which  
> fell with the silence of a feather yesterday, 9 Republicans broke  
> with their iron-fisted party to put country first, and voted to send  
> Rep. Dennis Kucinich's article of impeachment HR 1345 to the  
> Judiciary, where Chairman John Conyers will hold a hearings on  
> abuses of power by the Bush administration, according to the  
> Congressional Quaterly's CQToday.  (Ten Republicans abstained in  
> this critical moment.)
>
> Those 9 Republicans are:
>
> Congressman Kevin Brady (TX)
> Phone:   (202)225-4901
> Fax:       (202)225-5524
> Email: rep.brady at mail.house.gov
>
> Congressman Wayne Gilchrest  (MD)
> Phone 202-225-5311
> Fax 202-225-0254
>
> Congressman Walter B. Jones (NC)
> Phone: 252-931-1003
> Fax: 252-931-1002
>
> Congressman Don Manzullo (IL)
> Phone - (202) 225-5676
> Fax - (202)225-5284
>
> Congressman Tim Murphy(PA)
> Phone: (202) 225-2301
> Fax: (202) 225-1844 322
>
> Congressman Ron Paul (TX)
> Phone: (202) 225-2831
>
> Congressman Dave Reichert (WA)
> Phone: (202) 225-7761
> Fax: (202) 225-4282
>
> Congressman Christopher Shays (CT)
> Phone: 202/225-5541
> Fax: 202/225-9629
>
> Congressman Mike Turner (OH)
> Phone:  (202) 225-6465
> Fax:  (202) 225-6754
>
> One of the Republicans, Walter Jones, represents Camp LeJeune in  
> North Carolina, one of the largest Marine bases in the country, and  
> one which has borne heavily the sacrifice of the Iraq War.
>
> CQ said of Conyers' hearings:
> The anticipated hearing would review more than a year of committee  
> inquiry into such matters as the firing of U.S. attorneys, the leak  
> of the identity of former CIA operative Valerie Plame and the  
> information provided to Congress in the run-up to the Iraq War.
> Kucinich has promised a surprise foreign official as a witness in  
> the hearing.  His article focuses on administration claims that  
> Saddam possessed WMD in the run-up to the Iraq war, and that there  
> was a connection between Hussein and 9/11.
>
> Hit the media outlets:  (PLEASE REPORT ON THE KUCINICH ARTICLE AND  
> ON THE 9 REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS!)
> letters at jackson.gannett.com,
> theforum at usatoday.com,
> oped at nytimes.com,
> op-ed at latimes.com,
> oped at phillynews.com,
> ctc-COMMENT at tribune.com,
> opinion at startribune.com,
> letters at RockyMountainNews.com,
> viewpoints at chron.com,
> oped at newsday.com,
> viewpoints at dallasnews.com,
> shuntley at suntimes.com,
> forum at sfchronicle.com,
> my.turns at pni.com,
> m_Pritchard at globe.com,
> HeraldEd at herald.com,
> oped at herald.com,
> oped at starledger.com,
> forum at plaind.com,
> oped at news.oregonian.com,
> editpg at freepress.com,
> gailey at sptimes.com,
> openforum at denverpost.com,
> netaudr at abc.com,
> nightline at abcnews.com,
> 2020 at abc.com,
> nightly at msnbc.com,
> today at nbc.com,
> dateline at nbc.com,
> evening at cbsnews.com,
> earlyshow at cbs.com,
> hardball at msnbc.com,
> msnbcreports at msnbc.com,
> newshour at pbs.org,
> ombudsman at npr.or
>
> Keep hitting Congress (below)  -- DO NOT LET UP -- RIGHT NOW IS  
> CRUCIAL!
>
> If you know any Republicans, ask them to call the 9 (above) in  
> support!
>
> CALL NOW:
>
> House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers, Jr.:
> (202) 225-5126  (PLEASE SCHEDULE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS RIGHT AWAY)
>
> House Speaker Nancy Pelosi:   (202) 225-4965 (THANK YOU FOR LETTING  
> IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS BEGIN)
>
> Call Toll Free 800-828-0498 & ask for your Rep.
>
> (I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS, AND AM VERY  
> CONCERNED THAT THIS PRESIDENT WILL NOT BE MADE TO ANSWER FOR HIS  
> ACTIONS, WHICH WERE LAID OUT IN DETAIL IN DENNIS KUCINICH'S ARTICLE  
> ON TUESDAY, THE 15TH)
>
> Or see http://www.house.gov/house
>
> If we fail to motivate our Congressmen to call for Impeachment  
> Hearings before the Election, we will lose all of our power to  
> change America for four years.
>
> LET'S MAKE IMPEACHMENT HAPPEN!!
> Tobi Dragert
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From mkmusic at greens.org  Thu Jul 17 01:14:20 2008
From: mkmusic at greens.org (Merriam Kathaleen)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:14:20 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] To Drew and his Friends
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Ok, everybody enough is enough.  Drew,  it may be entirely true that you 
overstepped your bounds by making the Regional list into a discuss 
list.  If the Regional list is only for regional business then maybe you 
need to do your posting of discussions items to the sosfbay-discuss list 
instead.  I would really like to see you and Jim Stauffer come to an 
amiable conclusion to this issue.  Drew, you are who your are and Jim is 
who he is and you both care about our Green Party.  So, both of you 
please find a common ground to agree on and stop this "spitting" at one 
another, it is not accomplishing anything.  Drew, if it is that 
important to you to be on the Regional list then please
find a better way to influence our opinions then by creating all this 
drama. When someone is taken off a list isn't there some form of 
recourse to follow, such as calling for a vote among the Regional group 
instead of getting all of us, who are not in the Regional group, 
nvolved?  Drew, please find a "Green" way to get reinstated on the 
Regional list.

Merriam


justvegan at mac.com wrote:
> Dear Jim,
>
> What's up? Scientists say there will be no ice at the North Pole come  
> *this* Summertime. And, if we continue doing things the non-Green way,  
> there will be no ice at all anywhere in five years from now.  
> Corporations own the governments, the police forces, and the armies.  
> We're f**ked in so many ways right now I cannot even begin to express  
> my angst towards these evil doers who are bringing Earth to its demise.
>
> On the flip-side the only hope us awoken folks have at not seeing an  
> end to everything we know is through the masses. The masses who need  
> to be woken up. And it's going to take Drew, yourself, me, and a whole  
> bunch of other folks to get the message out working night and day.  
> Sadly, thus far, for at least the last few days, it seems that you  
> have spent a goodly amount of your valuable time trying to be right.  
> Why?
>
> Like I said in my first email regarding your angst towards Drew, with  
> all that's going on right now, everything really does matter and  
> everything is truly connected. For instance, folks who educate others  
> about 9/11 and who really did the deed have everything in common with  
> folks who are calling for impeachment. Yep, folks who are calling for  
> impeachment ultimately want to uncover EVERYTHING Bush and His cohorts  
> have done which will most certainly unravel the whole 9/11 mess.  
> Moreover, impeachment will also get to the bottom of how Bush has shut  
> down warnings about Global Climate Change and how we really are to  
> blame for it.
>
> Thus, please turn your energies towards what all of of are trying to  
> accomplish -- saving Mother Earth and all of its inhabitants from the  
> ravages of the Corporations.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Randy W. Sandberg
> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>
>
> On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>
>   
>> Drew, you seriously need to see a therapist. You're embarrassing  
>> yourself
>> with these lies, as you have so often embarrassed the Green Party.  
>> Get some
>> help!
>>
>> To those of you who appear to believe any lie that Drew spits out,  
>> why don't
>> you find something meaningful to do with your lives instead of  
>> attacking
>> people on email lists.
>>
>> I'm not interested in hearing anything more from any of you. I'm
>> unsubscribing from this list.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Drew Johnson wrote:
>>     
>>> No No Jim. You got that entirely backwards.  Caroline deserves THE  
>>> RESPECT
>>> as a Couunty Council member which you just deprived her of. Though  
>>> you
>>> also have not been on the Council for many years, we TRY to give you
>>> respect DESPITE your OUTRAGEOUS OUTBURSTS OF ANGER WHICH HAVE  
>>> DRIVEN MANY
>>> ACTIVISTS AWAY FROM OUR PARTY.  While you are currently serving as  
>>> our
>>> Regional Rep to the Coordinating Committee none of this gives you
>>> justification to operate as a tin plated dictator in this way.
>>>
>>> Since YOU are the one taking the completely ungreen, rageaholic,  
>>> tyranous,
>>> abusive censorious, exclusionary, arbitrary, unilateral, high  
>>> handed and
>>> unreasonable action YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO EXPLAIN TO  
>>> EVERYONE why
>>> you think that you have the right to knock a County Council emeritus
>>> member off the list for posting about news of vital interest to  
>>> Green in
>>> the region.
>>>
>>> IMO, instead of subjecting us all to these periodically terrorizing  
>>> angry
>>> outbursts that Jim indulges himself in and sprays everyone around  
>>> himself
>>> in, Jim Stauffer needs to get himself to anger management classes  
>>> ASAP and
>>> take a timeout from party work to get his head straightened out about
>>> treating others with respect and dignity.  Its a matter of taking  
>>> personal
>>> responsibility for his own behavior.  How many people have been  
>>> driven
>>> away from this party over the years by Jim personally would be  
>>> difficult
>>> to guess.  While he provides much knowledge from having been at key
>>> positions over the years Jim's extremely ungreen behavior entirely
>>> detracts from the value he'd otherwise be able to provide.  Let him  
>>> get
>>> himself together so that he can operate as a real Green rather than a
>>> madman and THEN he will be well enough to fully contribute.
>>>
>>> Jim's archnemesis, Mike Feinstein recently took himself mostly out  
>>> of the
>>> state party mix.  Jim would do very well to do the same.  It would  
>>> do him,
>>> the GPCA AND the GPSC a WORLD OF GOOD.  We should not be subjected  
>>> to the
>>> factional fanaticism that the factional alphas like Jo Chamberlain,  
>>> Peter
>>> Camejo, on the one side of the factional divide or Mike Feinstein  
>>> on the
>>> other OR their their loyal foot soldiers like Jim Stauffer (of the Jo
>>> Chamberlain/ Peter Camejo faction) that keep that fire alive.
>>>
>>> EVERYONE GET THIS:  The post that Jim knocked me off after was the  
>>> one
>>> about McKinney's choice for VP running mate, Rosa Clemente!!!!  The  
>>> post I
>>> was about to put on was an official GP-US release describing our new
>>> nominee, Cynthia McKinney and her running mate.  I was AT THE  
>>> CONVENTION,
>>> TRYING TO PROVIDE CURRENT NEWS TO OUR REGION!!!  HELLO!!! Jim's  
>>> behavior
>>> is just out of control IMO.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but Jim's is the one completely confused about what  
>>> constitutes
>>> items of interest and concern to Greens across the region.
>>>
>>> EVERYONE GET THIS: The volume on the list in question is a  
>>> trickle!!!  Its
>>> hardly used at all!!!  This is a completely in Stauffer's head-only
>>> artificial situation due to Jim's amazingly cramped interpretation  
>>> of what
>>> is of interest to Green in the regional
>>>
>>> I'm thinking that Jim may have altered the list's purpose statement
>>> recently because i seem to recall it was longer, broader and more
>>> inclusive previously. But whether or not this is the case, here's  
>>> what it
>>> says today:
>>>
>>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>>
>>> "This list is to facilitate communications between SC and SM  
>>> counties on
>>> regional issues."
>>>
>>> Notice this says NOTHING about it being County Council ONLY  
>>> business or
>>> that ONLY County Council members can post.  Notice it gives no
>>> restrictions (nor should it) as to how.  Notice it does not say  
>>> that Jim
>>> Stauffer is the definer of ANYTHING, or that he has the authority to
>>> suddenly, arbitrarily and with prejuce boot County Councilor emeritus
>>> members off the list (it doesn't even assert that he has ANYTHING  
>>> TO DO
>>> WITH THE LIST WHATSOVER).
>>>
>>> Jim seems to want to treat the SC-SM list as if it were the Red  
>>> Phone,
>>> connecting the White House to the Kremlin, only to be used in the  
>>> direst
>>> of emergencies.  Or as a fire that you have to break the glass in  
>>> order to
>>> use.  The SC-SM list is treated as if it were so precious it just can
>>> never be used.  Rubbish!!!  Our party resources NEED to be  
>>> exercised in
>>> order to actually make a difference.  Duh!
>>>
>>> Here's what I say:
>>>
>>> When our region needs to mobilize to run our races as we do with our
>>> presidential race, ITS REGIONAL BUSINESS.  When we need to talk  
>>> about how
>>> we run Carol Brouillet's race (in the 14th district which spans  
>>> both San
>>> Mateo and Santa Clara county) its regional business.  Heck Barry
>>> Hermanson's and Peter Myer's run to some smaller extent is regional
>>> business.
>>>
>>> When we need to organize civil rights actions (including  
>>> impeachment) we
>>> need to communicate it across the whole region.
>>>
>>> When we have events we want both county member's to participate in,  
>>> such
>>> as Tian's parties, its regional business.  Several SM members  
>>> joined us at
>>> the last, fun and wonderful election night party at Tian's.  Note  
>>> that Jim
>>> was not a participant.
>>>
>>> This SM-SC list is for COMMUNICATION, not to hamper, construct,  
>>> censor
>>> communication.  I received a number of private e-mails previously  
>>> re: the
>>> posts I'd put up on the SC-SM list by people who felt intimidated  
>>> by the
>>> wrathful Jim Stauffer and so didn't want to expose themselves to his
>>> abusive wrath.  IF PEOPLE DO NOT WISH TO READ A POSTING THEY MAY  
>>> SIMPLY
>>> IGNORE IT OR HIT THE DELETE BUTTON.  THEY DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO  
>>> DICTATE TO
>>> OTHERS HOW TO COMMUNICATE.
>>>
>>>
>>> Green is Connection!
>>>
>>> Drew Johnson
>>> County Council Emeritus and Delegate to the Green National Committee
>>> (among many, many other contributions)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:40, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Caroline -
>>>>
>>>> Since you are County Councilor you need to explain your accusation  
>>>> of
>>>> "esclusion and censorship."
>>>>
>>>> Specifically, how is it censorship when anyone who wants to read  
>>>> Drew's
>>>> post
>>>> can do so on this list? No one on the other list asked him to copy  
>>>> his
>>>> messages there and no one has complained about his removal.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to make a claim of exclusion, then you'll have to make  
>>>> that
>>>> claim against most of the lists in the state party. Most lists are
>>>> "closed"
>>>> lists for committees or some other specialized purpose. The  
>>>> membership is
>>>> controlled by the list members themselves, and general discussion  
>>>> topics
>>>> are
>>>> not allowed. Such is the list from which Drew was removed.
>>>>
>>>> As a person who now holds a position of responsibility in this
>>>> organization, please explain how this is exclusion and censorship.  
>>>> Those
>>>>         
>>> are strong accusations.
>>>       
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> I thought the Green Party was about inclusion and operating on  
>>>>> the best
>>>>> information available, not esclusion and censorship. Anyone who  
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> want to read Drew's e-mails has only to delete them. Green is  
>>>>> choice.
>>>>> Caroline
>>>>>           
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>
>>>       
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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Thu Jul 17 01:56:59 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:56:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] To Drew and his Friends
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Oh I am working this through in a Green way.  I took it straight to the
County Council who has purview over this.  Even though there is no formal
procedure for working these things through, the County Councils are more
than capable of figuring out how to deal with them.

Jim has operated as if he were the definer of what that list is for and I
hate to break the news to him, but its a Green Party asset, not his
private list.  So its something for the Grassroots Democracy of our
membership (including the folks on THIS list and the folks in the other
part of the region, San Mateo) and for the respective County Councils of
the two counties to figure out.  Also these two county parties are in
control of recalling Jim from his trusted position as a Regional Rep.

To my mind anyone who would write so disrespectfully as Jim has right here
on this list to anyone who disagrees with him is patently unfit to
represent our region to the GPCA Coordinating Committee (CC).  His
behavior has been part of the dynamic that has kept the CC in turmoil lo
these many months.

As one of the Factional Fanatics (in his case he fights for the Jo
Chamberlain/Peter Camejo Faction this sectarian division has been
absolutely devastating to the GPCA.  When people bitterly complain and
roll their eyes about how bad its been on the CC, just remember that Jim
was a key contributor to that whole fiasco.  Unfortunately he projects so
much (as he did below) that when someone challenges him on his out of
control behavior as I have he just dismisses it (as he did below) instead
of HIM GETTING THE ANGER MANAGEMENT HELP THAT HE SO OBVIOUSLY NEEDS.  HE
CAN NOT BE BOTHERED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE MEMBERS OF THE GPSC AND HIS
ARROGANCE IS DISPLAYED HERE IN SPADES.



Green is Connection!

Drew

On Thu, July 17, 2008 01:14, Merriam Kathaleen wrote:
> Ok, everybody enough is enough.  Drew,  it may be entirely true that you
> overstepped your bounds by making the Regional list into a discuss
> list.  If the Regional list is only for regional business then maybe you
> need to do your posting of discussions items to the sosfbay-discuss list
> instead.  I would really like to see you and Jim Stauffer come to an
> amiable conclusion to this issue.  Drew, you are who your are and Jim is
> who he is and you both care about our Green Party.  So, both of you
> please find a common ground to agree on and stop this "spitting" at one
> another, it is not accomplishing anything.  Drew, if it is that
> important to you to be on the Regional list then please
> find a better way to influence our opinions then by creating all this
> drama. When someone is taken off a list isn't there some form of
> recourse to follow, such as calling for a vote among the Regional group
> instead of getting all of us, who are not in the Regional group,
> nvolved?  Drew, please find a "Green" way to get reinstated on the
> Regional list.
>
> Merriam
>
>
> justvegan at mac.com wrote:
>> Dear Jim,
>>
>> What's up? Scientists say there will be no ice at the North Pole come
>> *this* Summertime. And, if we continue doing things the non-Green way,
>> there will be no ice at all anywhere in five years from now.
>> Corporations own the governments, the police forces, and the armies.
>> We're f**ked in so many ways right now I cannot even begin to express
>> my angst towards these evil doers who are bringing Earth to its demise.
>>
>> On the flip-side the only hope us awoken folks have at not seeing an
>> end to everything we know is through the masses. The masses who need
>> to be woken up. And it's going to take Drew, yourself, me, and a whole
>> bunch of other folks to get the message out working night and day.
>> Sadly, thus far, for at least the last few days, it seems that you
>> have spent a goodly amount of your valuable time trying to be right.
>> Why?
>>
>> Like I said in my first email regarding your angst towards Drew, with
>> all that's going on right now, everything really does matter and
>> everything is truly connected. For instance, folks who educate others
>> about 9/11 and who really did the deed have everything in common with
>> folks who are calling for impeachment. Yep, folks who are calling for
>> impeachment ultimately want to uncover EVERYTHING Bush and His cohorts
>> have done which will most certainly unravel the whole 9/11 mess.
>> Moreover, impeachment will also get to the bottom of how Bush has shut
>> down warnings about Global Climate Change and how we really are to
>> blame for it.
>>
>> Thus, please turn your energies towards what all of of are trying to
>> accomplish -- saving Mother Earth and all of its inhabitants from the
>> ravages of the Corporations.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Randy W. Sandberg
>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Drew, you seriously need to see a therapist. You're embarrassing
>>> yourself
>>> with these lies, as you have so often embarrassed the Green Party.
>>> Get some
>>> help!
>>>
>>> To those of you who appear to believe any lie that Drew spits out,
>>> why don't
>>> you find something meaningful to do with your lives instead of
>>> attacking
>>> people on email lists.
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in hearing anything more from any of you. I'm
>>> unsubscribing from this list.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> No No Jim. You got that entirely backwards.  Caroline deserves THE
>>>> RESPECT
>>>> as a Couunty Council member which you just deprived her of. Though
>>>> you
>>>> also have not been on the Council for many years, we TRY to give you
>>>> respect DESPITE your OUTRAGEOUS OUTBURSTS OF ANGER WHICH HAVE
>>>> DRIVEN MANY
>>>> ACTIVISTS AWAY FROM OUR PARTY.  While you are currently serving as
>>>> our
>>>> Regional Rep to the Coordinating Committee none of this gives you
>>>> justification to operate as a tin plated dictator in this way.
>>>>
>>>> Since YOU are the one taking the completely ungreen, rageaholic,
>>>> tyranous,
>>>> abusive censorious, exclusionary, arbitrary, unilateral, high
>>>> handed and
>>>> unreasonable action YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO EXPLAIN TO
>>>> EVERYONE why
>>>> you think that you have the right to knock a County Council emeritus
>>>> member off the list for posting about news of vital interest to
>>>> Green in
>>>> the region.
>>>>
>>>> IMO, instead of subjecting us all to these periodically terrorizing
>>>> angry
>>>> outbursts that Jim indulges himself in and sprays everyone around
>>>> himself
>>>> in, Jim Stauffer needs to get himself to anger management classes
>>>> ASAP and
>>>> take a timeout from party work to get his head straightened out about
>>>> treating others with respect and dignity.  Its a matter of taking
>>>> personal
>>>> responsibility for his own behavior.  How many people have been
>>>> driven
>>>> away from this party over the years by Jim personally would be
>>>> difficult
>>>> to guess.  While he provides much knowledge from having been at key
>>>> positions over the years Jim's extremely ungreen behavior entirely
>>>> detracts from the value he'd otherwise be able to provide.  Let him
>>>> get
>>>> himself together so that he can operate as a real Green rather than a
>>>> madman and THEN he will be well enough to fully contribute.
>>>>
>>>> Jim's archnemesis, Mike Feinstein recently took himself mostly out
>>>> of the
>>>> state party mix.  Jim would do very well to do the same.  It would
>>>> do him,
>>>> the GPCA AND the GPSC a WORLD OF GOOD.  We should not be subjected
>>>> to the
>>>> factional fanaticism that the factional alphas like Jo Chamberlain,
>>>> Peter
>>>> Camejo, on the one side of the factional divide or Mike Feinstein
>>>> on the
>>>> other OR their their loyal foot soldiers like Jim Stauffer (of the Jo
>>>> Chamberlain/ Peter Camejo faction) that keep that fire alive.
>>>>
>>>> EVERYONE GET THIS:  The post that Jim knocked me off after was the
>>>> one
>>>> about McKinney's choice for VP running mate, Rosa Clemente!!!!  The
>>>> post I
>>>> was about to put on was an official GP-US release describing our new
>>>> nominee, Cynthia McKinney and her running mate.  I was AT THE
>>>> CONVENTION,
>>>> TRYING TO PROVIDE CURRENT NEWS TO OUR REGION!!!  HELLO!!! Jim's
>>>> behavior
>>>> is just out of control IMO.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but Jim's is the one completely confused about what
>>>> constitutes
>>>> items of interest and concern to Greens across the region.
>>>>
>>>> EVERYONE GET THIS: The volume on the list in question is a
>>>> trickle!!!  Its
>>>> hardly used at all!!!  This is a completely in Stauffer's head-only
>>>> artificial situation due to Jim's amazingly cramped interpretation
>>>> of what
>>>> is of interest to Green in the regional
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking that Jim may have altered the list's purpose statement
>>>> recently because i seem to recall it was longer, broader and more
>>>> inclusive previously. But whether or not this is the case, here's
>>>> what it
>>>> says today:
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>>>
>>>> "This list is to facilitate communications between SC and SM
>>>> counties on
>>>> regional issues."
>>>>
>>>> Notice this says NOTHING about it being County Council ONLY
>>>> business or
>>>> that ONLY County Council members can post.  Notice it gives no
>>>> restrictions (nor should it) as to how.  Notice it does not say
>>>> that Jim
>>>> Stauffer is the definer of ANYTHING, or that he has the authority to
>>>> suddenly, arbitrarily and with prejuce boot County Councilor emeritus
>>>> members off the list (it doesn't even assert that he has ANYTHING
>>>> TO DO
>>>> WITH THE LIST WHATSOVER).
>>>>
>>>> Jim seems to want to treat the SC-SM list as if it were the Red
>>>> Phone,
>>>> connecting the White House to the Kremlin, only to be used in the
>>>> direst
>>>> of emergencies.  Or as a fire that you have to break the glass in
>>>> order to
>>>> use.  The SC-SM list is treated as if it were so precious it just can
>>>> never be used.  Rubbish!!!  Our party resources NEED to be
>>>> exercised in
>>>> order to actually make a difference.  Duh!
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I say:
>>>>
>>>> When our region needs to mobilize to run our races as we do with our
>>>> presidential race, ITS REGIONAL BUSINESS.  When we need to talk
>>>> about how
>>>> we run Carol Brouillet's race (in the 14th district which spans
>>>> both San
>>>> Mateo and Santa Clara county) its regional business.  Heck Barry
>>>> Hermanson's and Peter Myer's run to some smaller extent is regional
>>>> business.
>>>>
>>>> When we need to organize civil rights actions (including
>>>> impeachment) we
>>>> need to communicate it across the whole region.
>>>>
>>>> When we have events we want both county member's to participate in,
>>>> such
>>>> as Tian's parties, its regional business.  Several SM members
>>>> joined us at
>>>> the last, fun and wonderful election night party at Tian's.  Note
>>>> that Jim
>>>> was not a participant.
>>>>
>>>> This SM-SC list is for COMMUNICATION, not to hamper, construct,
>>>> censor
>>>> communication.  I received a number of private e-mails previously
>>>> re: the
>>>> posts I'd put up on the SC-SM list by people who felt intimidated
>>>> by the
>>>> wrathful Jim Stauffer and so didn't want to expose themselves to his
>>>> abusive wrath.  IF PEOPLE DO NOT WISH TO READ A POSTING THEY MAY
>>>> SIMPLY
>>>> IGNORE IT OR HIT THE DELETE BUTTON.  THEY DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO
>>>> DICTATE TO
>>>> OTHERS HOW TO COMMUNICATE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Green is Connection!
>>>>
>>>> Drew Johnson
>>>> County Council Emeritus and Delegate to the Green National Committee
>>>> (among many, many other contributions)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:40, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Caroline -
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you are County Councilor you need to explain your accusation
>>>>> of
>>>>> "esclusion and censorship."
>>>>>
>>>>> Specifically, how is it censorship when anyone who wants to read
>>>>> Drew's
>>>>> post
>>>>> can do so on this list? No one on the other list asked him to copy
>>>>> his
>>>>> messages there and no one has complained about his removal.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to make a claim of exclusion, then you'll have to make
>>>>> that
>>>>> claim against most of the lists in the state party. Most lists are
>>>>> "closed"
>>>>> lists for committees or some other specialized purpose. The
>>>>> membership is
>>>>> controlled by the list members themselves, and general discussion
>>>>> topics
>>>>> are
>>>>> not allowed. Such is the list from which Drew was removed.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a person who now holds a position of responsibility in this
>>>>> organization, please explain how this is exclusion and censorship.
>>>>> Those
>>>>>
>>>> are strong accusations.
>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought the Green Party was about inclusion and operating on
>>>>>> the best
>>>>>> information available, not esclusion and censorship. Anyone who
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> want to read Drew's e-mails has only to delete them. Green is
>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>> Caroline




From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 06:45:23 2008
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Rapid Bus, BART, High-Speed Rail
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http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9906067



That is an article about a proposed tax for extending BART down to San
Jose. It will generate $42 million per year, which will almost cover
the $50 million it takes to operate the extension annually but will
only kick in once the federal and state governments fulfill their
promise of $1 billion to the BART extension project (so far they've
only given half the amount).



Proponents are afraid the proposition will not pass this November due
to a $10 billion bond for high speed rail and a bad economy.



What I fail to see is the problem with the $10 billion for high speed
rail. Compared to other industrialized countries, the United States is
about half a century behind when it comes to rail transport. $10
billion breaks down to $10 per person per year. It is also much less
than the $20+ billion we will need to spend on road and airport
expansions in the next 25 years without high speed rail. If people can
spend over $10 to watch a movie, I am sure they can afford to see one
less movie every year to fund reducing global warming.



I may be preaching to the choir, but what are your thoughts about BART and high speed rail?



-Edward




      
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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Thu Jul 17 07:28:33 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:28:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
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On Wed, July 16, 2008 07:58, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> Okay, so Tian's not on that list, and I'm not on that list. My question
> is: exactly what is this list, and why are Tian and I not on it?
>   Caroline

Hey Caroline and all,

Okay this is a valuable question.  The list in question is called the
SC-SM (Santa Clara - San Mateo) list.  Our two county parties form what is
called a 'region'  (The 'Silicon Valley' Region) for the purposes of Green
Party of California (GPCA) self governance.  It is the Silicon Valley
Region which is about to get together for the picnic you have put
together.  Theoretically a region could also provide more support,
structure and resources for candidates and campaigns as well, but mostly
its just a way to select a representative -- Regional Representative or
RR.  And note that the 14th Congression District crosses into both
counties of the 'Silicon Valley Region', so for the race that Carol
Brouillet is running, both counties need to provide support.  Currently
Jim Stauffer serves as the Alternate RR but since there is no RR other
than him he basically serves as the RR.

The Regional Representatives participate in the GPCA's Coordinating
Committee (CC).   The CC runs the day to day affairs of the GPCA in
between General Assemblies (GA).  GAs are actually the highest authority
within the GPCA, but since they are only occasional (2 or 3 times per year
-- one is coming up in August in Orange County), there needs to be a way
to get business done the rest of the time and the CC provides that
service.

Unfortunately over the past number of years the CC has been ground to a
halt by what I call the Factional Fanatics.  There are basically two
Factions that hate each other's guts and are apparently more interested in
gaining their own power and defeating the other faction than in the good
of the party.

One faction is lead by Mike Feinstein who's highest claim to fame so far
is being the former Mayor of in the LA area.  The other faction claims
that Mike Feinstein financial improprieties more than 10 years ago and
they persist in crusading against MF and his followers in the LA Region
and all over the state.  The other faction was previously led by Jo
Chamberlain who is from San Mateo ie. in our own Silicon Valley Region and
who was the RR from our region until she resigned recently which put Jim
Stauffer in the role.  Jo had previously been active in the national party
as well and served as a CoChair to the Green National Committee (sorta
like Howard Dean but with 7 Howard Deans instead of just one).  From what
I could see (admittedly from a distance) Jo provided the tactical genius
for her faction.  The rhetorical and strategic genius of that faction was
Peter Camejo (several times Green gubnatorial candidate and who ran as an
independent in 2004 as Ralph Nader's VP candidate.

Confoundingly enough I've found that all of the members of these two
factions deny being in a faction themselves and can only identify their
opponents as being part of a faction.  This includes top members of the
faction.  Mike Feinstein himself denies being a part of a faction!!!  And
denies being a leader of said faction!!!  Jim Stauffer is a fairly loyal
footsoldier of the JC/PC faction.  when  I've pointed this out to him he
exploded in anger and totally denied it.  I suppose that might be one of
the items he would call a 'lie' by me.  I suppose facing truths that Jim
is in denial about like that he's a rageaholic and that he's a key member
of the JC/PC Faction are uncomfortable I'm guessing.

There's another structure called GDI (Greens for Democratic Indepence)
that overlaps with the Jo Chamberlain/Peter Camejo faction.  GDI is
nationwide and essentially could be called Greens for Nader and Camejo
because that is pretty much their function.  They are constantly harping
on this ideological concept they have called 'One Green One Vote'.  I
won't get into it here, but I will say that while it sounds good, they
place far too much emphasis on this ideological construct and what it
boils down to is that they think the GPCA should dominate the GP-US and
deliver the GPCA ballot line to Nader.  Jim Stauffer is pretty
uninterested in national politics so I don't think he's really a part of
that national faction.

 Jim has been a long term member of the CC and indeed I think at one point
served as one of the CoChairs of the CC as well as serving as the Liaison
to the Secretary of State. So he has provided a LOT of service and has
been with the party almost since its start.

While its absolutely true that Jim is hard working and super knowledgable,
he also has these problems with his behavior as you got a sample of the
other day when he insulted you and a number of others on this list.  These
unaddressed behavioral problems make him scarey to be around and many
people report unwillingness to even put themselves in He seems to
experience temper tantrums like you wouldn't believe.  It makes our
General Meetings very unpleasant and contentious at times.  He is what
some people call a Mood Transmitter.  When he walks in the room the whole
emotional atmosphere of the room is effected (this is a phenomenon that
not everyone experiences, but I and some others certainly do and have
talked about it).

 I would also characterize him as a 'control freak'.   As we've been able
to see in these past few postings by Jim, even though he hasn't been on
the County Council literally in years he treats the Council
contemptuously and as though he were not only more powerful than a
Councilor.  He's not -- the RR is put into position BY The Council.  The
Council is directly elected by the Green Party members and so is in a
sense the most direct representatives of Grassroots Democracy and
everything else in the party including the delegates to the General
Assembly (GA) are determined by The Councils.   He also seems to hold the
opinion that whatever HE defines the purpose of the SC-SM list as should
automatically and absolutely be treated as law without reference back to
the (actually more powerful and that which he's supposed to be
accountable to) Councils.  He doesn't see a need apparently to check back
with The Councils who essentially put him into his position in the first
place and who has the right to recall, remove or replace him.

Jim has regularly demeaned Carol Brouillet (new member of The Council and
highest vote getter).  He doesn't care for her radical politics and
especially her emphasis on getting down to the truth of what happened on
9-11.  But Carol is not the only woman that Jim treats contempuously and I
would not be the only one to point out that he seems to have some kind of
issue going on with women generally.

Although he might not say it right now Tian has also been a regular target
of Jim's wrath.  Jim doesn't like that Tian can be so dominating of
meeting time since Tian expresses himself so slowly during meetings and
also that Tian sometimes reports unconfirmed rumours as fact.

Jim Stauffer's behavior is one of the primary reasons I refuse to invite
any newcomers to the General Meeting.  Why should newbies be subjected to
this unpleasantness?  It is quite possible that they will be so turned off
they will leave and never return.  It was great that he was absent at this
last meeting and frankly that might be a contributing reason it went so
well.


Green is Connection!

Drew

>
> Drew Johnson <JamBoi at Greens.org> wrote:
>   Jim's mischaracterization that this was about 'general discussion' is
> misleading and innacurate and therefore is irrelevant.
>
> Hitting a person is far from the only form of violence. Month by month we
> have been subjected to Jim's violent attitude towards any that disagree
> with him. I know for a fact that numerous people (especially women
> because of his misogynistic attitudes) have been turned off of our
> county's party and have not returned based on what you call Tian his
> 'personality'. Its not his personality. Its that he is an unrecovered
> rageaholic. He needs help but apparently doesn't take steps to get Anger
> Management or whatever it is that would address his issues. Just in the
> past few days a number of Santa Clara Greens have been abused by Jim on
> the e-mail list. This arrogant and tyrannous behavior is completely
> unacceptable of someone who we have entrusted with being our Regional
> Representative to the GPCA Coordinating Committee.
>
> Further it is not Jim's perview to arbitrarily and unilaterally take a
> GPSC County Councilor emeritus
> off any GPCA e-mail list. He is not the king of anything. He did not
> have the right to act in such an emperious way.
>
> We can not afford to continue to turn a blind eye to Jim's ongoing
> egregious toxic behavior, so we need to protect our membership by removing
> the power investing in Jim's that he is injuring other people and our
> party with.
>
> No I will not drop my requests to the County Council. Absolutely not.
>
>
> Green is Safe!
>
> Drew
>
>
> On Wed, July 16, 2008 00:37, Tian Harter wrote:
>> I gotta agree that general discussion belongs in the discussion forum.
>> I've not been on that list so I don't know a "crime" was committed,
>> but I could believe Drew would post discussion items beyond where they
>> go.
>>
>> I consider the rant below this a bit over the top. Stauffer often acts
>> grumpy, but I have never seen him hit anyone. If you allow for his
>> personality, he is a fine fellow traveler. Please cut him a little
>> slack.
>>
>> When we have an activist that wants to do the work Jim is doing quite
>> well, then is the time to vote him out of office. Until then, I say
>> "Why can't we all just get along?"
>>
>> Tian
>>
>> Drew Johnson wrote:
>>> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:20, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>>> Do any of you know what you're talking about?
>>>
>>>
>>> This quote is typically arrogant behavior from Jim Stauffer. It falls
>>> entirely within his typical pattern of behavior. How offensive can you
>>> get???
>>>
>>> This puts across the entirely elitist message: "Watch out people, do
>>> not
>>> cross Jim Stauffer. He knows what's best for you. Do not speak out
>>> against his outrageous rageaholic behavior because he will slap you
>>> down.
>>>
>>> I say the party can not afford to put a rageaholic into a position of
>>> power. How many have left our party because of Jim's behavior. Its
>>> worth
>>> pointing out that Jim behaves consistently in a consistently
>>> misogynistic
>>> manner. He's a white male and he knows better than you (as in the above
>>> example). Just rollover people because Jim is the tyrant and you have
>>> no
>>> right to question any of his hurtful behavior. Like Bush, he is
>>> entirely
>>> above the shackles of any kind of check on his actions. Thank you Jim
>>> for
>>> giving us a beautiful example of exactly what we Greens are working to
>>> overcome in our world today.
>>>
>>>
>>> Green is Connection!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can any of you tell me the what list he was removed from and the
>>>> purpose
>>>> of
>>>> that list?
>>>>
>>>> Have any of you read GPCA net etiquette policy
>>>> (http://cagreens.org/structure/email_etiquette.shtml) that asks for
>>>> cooperation from participants on these cost-free, advertising-free
>>>> lists
>>>> that the party provides for your use?
>>>>
>>>> And, finally, what right do any of you have to tell the small
>>>> membership
>>>> of
>>>> closed, special-purpose list who they have to allow as members and
>>>> what
>>>> messages they have to read?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> kaisha_marie at comcast.net wrote:
>>>>> I appreciate Drew's posts and he is the reason I'm green at all. I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> understand why his speech would be limited in any green forum. What
>>>>> are
>>>>> the rules being violated specifically?
>>>>>
>>>>> Green is unification,
>>>>> Kaisha
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Fred Duperrault
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00
>>>>> To: Drew Johnson
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
>>>>> unsubscribing
>>>>> me from regional list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments. I'm sure he
>>>>> informs
>>>>> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see no harm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred Duperrault
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
>>>>> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
>>>>> to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
>>>>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
>>>>> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
>>>>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy W. Sandberg
>>>>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer. Jim is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake
>>>>>> in such
>>>>>> high handed behavior. This is not a "green" way to operate. I
>>>>>> request
>>>>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my
>>>>>> subscription
>>>>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
>>>>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Green is Ethical!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Drew Johnson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> County Council Emeritus and
>>>>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other
>>>>>> forms of
>>>>>> service I provide)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>>>>>> From: "Jim Stauffer"
>>>>>> Date: Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>>>>>> To: "Regional List"
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked
>>>>>> several times
>>>>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The
>>>>>> GPCA
>>>>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
>>>>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite
>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>> topics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> discussion list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> SC-SM mailing list
>>>>>> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
>>>>>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm




From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu Jul 17 08:54:06 2008
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:54:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] picnic
Message-ID: <251783.90111.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is really to Carol, but I don't have a separate address for her, and it may concern others of you. I live 1 1/2 blocks from the picnic site. I will be going over there at 9:00 to reserve our table and hopefully grab others, After other people come, I will go back to my house and get my food. If any of you have scheduling conflicts on that day but would like to contribute things to the picnic, I will be happy to store them at my house (323 N. Murphy Ave. ) and haul them over to the picnic later.
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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Thu Jul 17 10:04:13 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:04:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Rapid Bus, BART, High-Speed Rail
In-Reply-To: <426511.25481.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <426511.25481.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3489.75.17.61.205.1216314253.squirrel@greens.org>

In a nutshell my opinion is that High Speed Rail is long overdue and that
BART is a Halliburton-like boondoggle for Bechtel that funnels 10X the
amount that a conventional rail or even elevated rail kinda solution would
cost us and that BART should therefore be dismantled and replaced ASAP.

Further I like the stuff that I've learned about PRT, Personal Rapid
Transit.  Rob Means can speak to this option.

Jus in general rail is inherently much, much more energy efficient than
auto/trucks/buses (anything with rubber tires on road is much less
efficient than steel wheels on tracks) could ever be, so wherever possible
I favor rail solutions.    Hovercraft would be more efficient yet --
extremely low resistance of air against air. ;-)

As far as connecting the current BART in Fremont to the rest of Santa
Clara Co. I'd favor the already extant rail line.  It'd be great if in
addition to the ACE and Amtrak trains there were some additional commuter
trains used to get us back and forth.  The buses between the two are
marginally okay.  They take too long and are not as frequent as I'd like. 
Some of the express buses don't go both directions which means they are
only useful for commuters who are going in one particular direction.

Cameron has rightfully pointed out that the VTA Lightrail and buses are
set up largely to serve the largest employers in the valley -- Lockheed
Martin, IBM, Cisco and a few others -- and not to move common people where
they need to get to.

The 'New VTA' reorg that VTA went through in the past year is mostly an
improvement IMO, but they have a long way to go for us to obtain a fully
functioning mass transit system for Santa Clara valley (AKA Silicon
Valley).

I recommend that people join the "VTA Rider's Union" and the Silicon
Valley Bic


Green is Core!

Drew


On Thu, July 17, 2008 06:45, Edward wrote:
> http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9906067
>
>
>
> That is an article about a proposed tax for extending BART down to San
> Jose. It will generate $42 million per year, which will almost cover
> the $50 million it takes to operate the extension annually but will
> only kick in once the federal and state governments fulfill their
> promise of $1 billion to the BART extension project (so far they've
> only given half the amount).
>
>
>
> Proponents are afraid the proposition will not pass this November due
> to a $10 billion bond for high speed rail and a bad economy.
>
>
>
> What I fail to see is the problem with the $10 billion for high speed
> rail. Compared to other industrialized countries, the United States is
> about half a century behind when it comes to rail transport. $10
> billion breaks down to $10 per person per year. It is also much less
> than the $20+ billion we will need to spend on road and airport
> expansions in the next 25 years without high speed rail. If people can
> spend over $10 to watch a movie, I am sure they can afford to see one
> less movie every year to fund reducing global warming.
>
>
>
> I may be preaching to the choir, but what are your thoughts about BART and
> high speed rail?
>
>
>
> -Edward
>
>
>
>
>       _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 17 11:17:27 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:17:27 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Gore on NPR NOW
Message-ID: <487F8CB7.2020706@earthlink.net>


Gore is on "Talk of the Nation"..

pushing for complete switch of the electric gird to
non fossil fules in 10 years.

Gerry



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Thu Jul 17 12:02:13 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:02:13 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Gore on NPR NOW
In-Reply-To: <487F8CB7.2020706@earthlink.net>
References: <487F8CB7.2020706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <487F9735.4020504@aceweb.com>

My AOL service crashed about the time Gore finished speaking.
The conspiracy theorist in me wants to make something of it,
but it was probably just a fluke...

Gerry Gras wrote:
> Gore is on "Talk of the Nation"..
> 
> pushing for complete switch of the electric gird to
> non fossil fules in 10 years.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: still adding pictures and commentary from the Green Party 
Convention in Chicago.


From JamBoi at Greens.org  Thu Jul 17 12:02:21 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:02:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente: Building a
 Movement for REAL Change (reprinted from Black Commentator, July 17, 2008)
Message-ID: <1161.75.17.61.205.1216321341.squirrel@greens.org>

http://blackcommentator.com/286/286_kir_mckinney_clemente_movement_change.html

Cynthia McKinney & Rosa Clemente: Building a Movement For Real Change

Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente:
Building a Movement for REAL Change
By LARRY PINKNEY
(Black Commentator Editorial Board Member)

Something magnificent and truly extraordinary happened at the 2008,
Green Party Presidential Convention a few days ago in Chicago,
Illinois. Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente; two dynamic, highly
intelligent, experienced, and politically committed women of color
were chosen by the Green Party of this nation to be its nominees for
President and Vice President respectively, of the United States of
America. Former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney who demonstrated
the guts and integrity to leave the politically opportunist and
bankrupt Democratic Party has, for quite some time now been yet again
demonstrating her guts and integrity by crisscrossing this nation and
informing people in every nook and cranny about the "Power To The
People" Campaign. Now Sister McKinney has been joined by Puerto Rican
people's grass root activist / journalist / and intellectual hip hop
artist Sister Rosa Clemente in this ever growing campaign and people's
movement and struggle. Indeed, something extraordinary has happened
and there is yet more to come.

While CNN, ABC, C-SPAN, etc. did give some limited coverage of and to
this incredibly momentous event; none of the pundits of these
so-called "main stream news" media outlets dared elucidate to the
"American" people the enormous present-day and historical significance
and opportunities of what just happened in Chicago. None of these
pundits dared explain and emphasize the revolutionary aspect of what
had just happened in Chicago: That the Green Party and the
Reconstruction Movement this past weekend, in selecting Cynthia
McKinney as their primary standard bearer, is a stinging rejection and
rebuke of the Democratic and Republican Parties [i.e. the
Republicrats] with their putrid, hypocritical, corporate / military
apparatus-fueled politics of dishonesty, subterfuge, smoke & mirrors,
and unending wars abroad and increasing economic disparity and social
misery at home. The sleeping dragon, consisting of the rank and file,
everyday woman, man, and child in this nation, has finally begun to
awaken once again.

The Empire, including its Democratic and Republican Party surrogates,
has been put on notice by politically conscious Black, Brown, Red,
Yellow, and White peoples of this nation of who are sick and tired of
being hoodwinked, manipulated, and politically blood sucked. What
happened this past week end in Chicago is a wake up call to all
persons of good will: Black, White, Brown, Red, and Yellow!
By supporting the candidacies of Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente we
are supporting a people's movement -- our movement for real,
fundamental, "systemic" change, not mealy-mouth meaningless / feel
good rhetoric. We are self-actualizing our hopes and dreams, not
allowing others to pimp and manipulate us by playing on those hopes
and dreams. We are supporting the very best in ourselves. We are
laying the foundation in 21st Century "America" for a genuine and
ongoing people's movement that says NO to the corporate / military /
prison apparatus of the U.S. Empire at home and abroad.
We are supporting so much more than only candidates for political
office --  we are supporting our commitment to the building of an
uncompromising, unswerving, people's movement that is unhindered by
this system's Democratic and Republican [i.e. Republicratic] Party
election time lines and political machine. We are refusing to
collaborate with this Empire's system of oppression. Rather, we are
working to dismantle it and build a fundamentally and systemically
different system that addresses human needs, not human greed. We are
emphatically stating that we will not sit back and allow principled,
intelligent, revolutionary / politically progressive, honest, and
for-real women to be by-passed and ignored any longer by this system
in "America."

By supporting the Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente "Power To The
People" Campaign we are making it crystal clear that we will intensify
the struggle the dignity and human rights of all people: women, men,
and children -- Black, Brown, Red, White, and Yellow -- all peoples.
To be sure, the U.S. Empire's corrupt and biased news media
disinformation machine can be expected to go into high gear in an
effort to discredit and neutralize the McKinney / Clemente ticket and
the "Power To The People" Campaign. Indeed, these slimy tactics have
already begun. However, such tactics merely confirm the absolute
importance of what we are committed to and what this movement is all
about.

For those who may not have seen and heard Cynthia McKinney's
acceptance speech on C-SPAN at the Green Party Convention this past
July 13, 2008; it is urged that you turn on your computer's speakers,
view her presentation, and hear her remarks and those of Rosa Clemente
on the internet at C-SPAN.org under the heading Green Party
Presidential Convention (July 13, 2008).

The "Power To The People" Campaign is the only one to boldly and
seriously address not only the issues of militarism, economic
disparity, social and environmental inequities, single payer health
care, government malfeasance and neglect, corporate greed, equal
opportunity and education, racism, reparations, gender parity, and
homelessness, etc; but just as importantly, this campaign is about
building an ongoing movement to fundamentally address the root causes
of these pressing concerns. The twin demons of the Empire, i.e. the
Democratic and Republican Parties [increasingly known as the
Republicrats] and their accomplices, are in opposition to any real
systemic change. Thus, every conceivable means will be utilized to
deter this campaign, its ultimate movement, and objectives.

We must get out into our towns, cities, and municipalities of all
kinds with one fundamental objective: Getting and putting the "Power
To The People" Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente Green Party ticket on
the ballot in high numbers in every viable state of this nation, while
simultaneously building and nurturing this people's movement. Let us
start voting right now by organizing to support Cynthia and Rosa in
the streets, the back woods, the schools, on the reservations, in the
barrios, ghettos, and every possible nook and cranny and community of
this nation. WE ARE NOT COLLABORATORS AND WE WILL NOT COLLABORATE WITH
THE EMPIRE IN OUR OWN OPPRESSION OR THAT OF OTHERS. Organize,
organize, and organize some more!

We are the people and it is WE ourselves who are the essence of, and
motivation for, real change. Let us call out to our sisters and
brothers in Haiti, in Venezuela, in Bolivia, in Cuba, in Palestine, in
Myanmar, in the Congo and throughout the entire world. Let us send
them a message of comradely greetings and let them know that we are
reawakening from slumber here in the belly of the Empire. We have seen
their examples and are emulating them for the mutual betterment of all
our peoples.

We must build coalitions that serve the interests of the people. We
must pry open the systemic, strangling, amoral death grip that the
Democrats and Republican Parties [i.e. the Republicrats] have around
our proverbial necks and minds. We must work together with the
Reconstruction Movement which began around the despicable U.S.
Government criminality of both the Republicans and Democratic Parties
re hurricane Katrina (and subsequently hurricane Rita). Being Green is
just the beginning. We must keep in mind that there are also other
progressive peoples out there in parties such as the Peace & Freedom
Party, and we must work together with them to the mutual advantage of
the people's movement. We must remember that "no one of us is as smart
or as strong as all of us."

We must remember our sister and brother political prisoners,
liberation fighters, and exiles such as Leonard Peltier, Mumia
Abu-Jamal, Reverend Edward Pinkney [no relation], the San Francisco 8,
Assata Shakur and so very, very many more. We must remember why we are
waging this struggle. This is about more than votes. This is about our
very survival and that of Mother Earth - this planet.
This is about saying NO to the Empire and its collaborators, and YES
to a NEW DAY a NEW SOCIETY, a NEW WORLD. This is about struggling to
be that NEW PERSON who self-actualizes and addresses human needs, not
human greed, lies, and hypocrisy.

Viva Cynthia McKinney! Viva Rosa Clememte! Long live "The Power To The
People' Campaign! Let's get busy brothers and sisters. "Each one reach
one". There is much work to be done!

Onward then?
----------
BlackCommentator.com Editorial Board Member, Larry Pinkney, is a
veteran of the Black Panther Party, the former Minister of Interior of
the Republic of New Africa, a former political prisoner and the only
American to have successfully self-authored his civil/political rights
case to the United Nations under the International Covenant on Civil
and Political Rights. In connection with his political organizing
activities in opposition to voter suppression, etc., Pinkney was
interviewed in 1988 on the nationally televised PBS NewsHour, formerly
known as The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour. For more about Larry Pinkney see
the book, Saying No to Power: Autobiography of a 20th Century Activist
and Thinker , by William Mandel [Introduction by Howard Zinn]. (Click
here to read excerpts from the book). Click here to contact Mr.
Pinkney.



-- 
Starlene Rankin
Green Party Media Coordinator
916-995-3805
starlene at gp.org



From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 17 14:35:28 2008
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:35:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Progressive Unity
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25403.1216318376.24070.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <127991.64524.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Since Nader received the most votes from California and we are also the
state that launched the McKinney campaign, I thought it would be a
great place to ask the following question:



What are we going to do in 2008 to get both candidates in the debates?
The Nader campaign seems to be very organized while the McKinney
campaign has a lot of resources from the Green Party.



-Edward




      
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From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Thu Jul 17 15:29:29 2008
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:29:29 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Rapid Bus, BART, High-Speed Rail
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25403.1216318376.24070.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <005801c8e85c$9562e220$6401a8c0@INTERBIKE06>

I agree with Drew that the BART extension is a boondoggle.  It's a black
hole for money that is threatening many worthy Measure A transit
projects.

In addition to being 1960's technology that uses non-standard gauge
rails, BART is a corridor system in an area that sprawls.  Beefing up a
networked system like the buses makes more sense.

As an alternative, one PRT option offered by a local supporter would
blanket our area with 24/7 automated transportation for half the price
of a BART extension:
http://www.electric-bikes.com/prt/bart-prt.html

Recently, the Board of the San Jose Airport requested that VTA re-visit
plans for connecting airport terminals with BART and LRT.  VTA had
presented their $450M plan for an underground Automated People Mover
(APM) with 3 stations.  Then, a PRT guy presented a plan that included
18 stations and above-ground guideways for one-half the price.  Let's
see how VTA responds.

Rob Means, Electro Ride Bikes and Scooters
408-262-8975   rob.means at electric-bikes.com
1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
Discover cycling that's Easy, Safe, Fast - and FUN!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
 

-----Original Message-----
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:04:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Drew Johnson" <JamBoi at Greens.org>
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Rapid Bus, BART, High-Speed Rail
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Message-ID: <3489.75.17.61.205.1216314253.squirrel at greens.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

In a nutshell my opinion is that High Speed Rail is long overdue and
that
BART is a Halliburton-like boondoggle for Bechtel that funnels 10X the
amount that a conventional rail or even elevated rail kinda solution
would
cost us and that BART should therefore be dismantled and replaced ASAP.

Further I like the stuff that I've learned about PRT, Personal Rapid
Transit.  Rob Means can speak to this option.

Jus in general rail is inherently much, much more energy efficient than
auto/trucks/buses (anything with rubber tires on road is much less
efficient than steel wheels on tracks) could ever be, so wherever
possible
I favor rail solutions.    Hovercraft would be more efficient yet --
extremely low resistance of air against air. ;-)

As far as connecting the current BART in Fremont to the rest of Santa
Clara Co. I'd favor the already extant rail line.  It'd be great if in
addition to the ACE and Amtrak trains there were some additional
commuter
trains used to get us back and forth.  The buses between the two are
marginally okay.  They take too long and are not as frequent as I'd
like. 
Some of the express buses don't go both directions which means they are
only useful for commuters who are going in one particular direction.

Cameron has rightfully pointed out that the VTA Lightrail and buses are
set up largely to serve the largest employers in the valley -- Lockheed
Martin, IBM, Cisco and a few others -- and not to move common people
where
they need to get to.

The 'New VTA' reorg that VTA went through in the past year is mostly an
improvement IMO, but they have a long way to go for us to obtain a fully
functioning mass transit system for Santa Clara valley (AKA Silicon
Valley).

I recommend that people join the "VTA Rider's Union" and the Silicon
Valley Bic

Green is Core!

Drew

On Thu, July 17, 2008 06:45, Edward wrote:
> http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9906067
>
> That is an article about a proposed tax for extending BART down to San
> Jose. It will generate $42 million per year, which will almost cover
> the $50 million it takes to operate the extension annually but will
> only kick in once the federal and state governments fulfill their
> promise of $1 billion to the BART extension project (so far they've
> only given half the amount).
>
> Proponents are afraid the proposition will not pass this November due
> to a $10 billion bond for high speed rail and a bad economy.
>
> What I fail to see is the problem with the $10 billion for high speed
> rail. Compared to other industrialized countries, the United States is
> about half a century behind when it comes to rail transport. $10
> billion breaks down to $10 per person per year. It is also much less
> than the $20+ billion we will need to spend on road and airport
> expansions in the next 25 years without high speed rail. If people can
> spend over $10 to watch a movie, I am sure they can afford to see one
> less movie every year to fund reducing global warming.
>
> I may be preaching to the choir, but what are your thoughts about BART
and
> high speed rail?
>
> -Edward




------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:17:27 -0700
From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Gore on NPR NOW
To: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <487F8CB7.2020706 at earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed


Gore is on "Talk of the Nation"..

pushing for complete switch of the electric gird to
non fossil fules in 10 years.

Gerry



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From mkmusic at greens.org  Fri Jul 18 01:57:42 2008
From: mkmusic at greens.org (Merriam Kathaleen)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:57:42 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Impeachment Demonstration at Zoe Lofgren's office
 this Friday 7/18, 3-6pm
Message-ID: <48805B06.1010002@greens.org>

Hi All,

*REP. DENNIS KUCINICH  IS MEETING WITH THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE 
NEXT FRIDAY, 7/25, TO DISCUSS THE CASE FOR STARTING IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS.

*We will be out in front of Rep. Zoe Lofgren's district office showing 
her our support for her to DO THE RIGHT THING!!*
*
*ON 6/30/08 SILICON VALLEY IMPEACHMENT COALITON MEMBERS MET WITH ZOE 
LOFGREN TO DISCUSS WITH HER THE GRAVE IMPORTANCE OF HER SUPPORTING 
IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.  AT THE END OF OUR 
MEETING SHE TOLD US TO CONTINUE DEMONSTRATING AND TO CONTINUE LOUDLY 
DEMONSTRATING.  (SHE COULD HEAR THE CARS DURING OUR MEETING DRIVING BY 
HONKING FOR IMPEACHMENT)*

*HELP US TO LOUDLY DEMONSTRATE!!!!*

This is our 36th consecutive week. Please join us this Friday, 7/18 in 
front of Lofgren's office from 3:00pm - 6:00pm.  We want a large 
presence demanding she "*DO HER JOB*."  Zoe's office is at 635 N. 1st 
St., San Jose. (Between Taylor & Jackson St. across from the IHOP 
restaurant/Light Rail stop is corner of Jackson St on 1st St.)  We want 
to be loud and proud for Impeachment hearings for Cheney and Bush.

SEE YOU THERE.  IF YOU CAN'T BE THERE PLEASE CALL ZOE'S OFFICE 
(408-271-8700) TO TELL THEM THAT YOU WANT ZOE TO SUPPORT IMPEAHCMENT 
HEARINGS
Thanks,
Merriam
Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition
mkmusic03 at aol.com
408-482-6032 (Cell)
svimpeach.org






From JamBoi at Greens.org  Fri Jul 18 07:12:34 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:12:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
 unsubscribingmefrom regional list
In-Reply-To: <728702.38687.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <728702.38687.qm@web55607.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2739.75.17.61.205.1216390354.squirrel@greens.org>

Jodi, Sounds good re: female vibes watcher.

Well, there's another list that most people are unaware of and that's the
one we are discussing Jim having kicked me off of with no process and no
discussion with The Council.  The list is called the SC-SM list and as I'd
previously posted its a list for both the Santa Clara and San Mateo
parties to communicate.  Jim holds an (IMO) extremely, extremely,
extremely narrow, cramped concept of what our two parties should be
communicating about on that list.  In his view it should only be info
between the two Councils re: regional info.  This is like treating it as
if it were the red phone between D.C. and Moscow or a fire alarm -- break
the glass to use.  As I'd said before, it was just hardly used at all
before I joined and apparently that's exactly the way Jim thinks it should
be used -- hardly at all.

But interestingly enough I was ON THE COUNCIL for Santa Clara when he was
trying to dictate to  me how the list was to be used -- no matter that his
position as Regional Rep is essentially a position under the
accountability of the County Councils of the region (in this case Santa
Clara and San Mateo) and that therefore HE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO THE
COUNTY COUNCILORS as to how WE CHOOSE TO USE THE LIST.

And since we have a party resource (not a Jim Stauffer resource) to help
us communicate between our two parties IMO we ought to actually use it and
NOT to treat is like something so precious we can never use it.  IMO thats
just plain silly.

So what if one of the Councilors chooses to communicate more than Jim
Stauffer enjoys.  Jim Stauffer's position as Regional Rep is subject to
the elected/appointed Council Councils and not the other way around.  Just
as Jim got it totally backwards and tried to harangue Caroline Yacoub for
holding him accountable, he seems to have the backwards idea that everyone
else is accountable to him and he is accountable to no one.  Well sorry
Jim, but we've got some news for you.  The Regional Rep is supposed to
serve the county parties and the County Councils, not the other way
around.


Green is True!

Drew


On Thu, July 17, 2008 12:56, jodi embry wrote:
> Dear All:
>>From the understanding that I have as a member of the Green P., I know of
>> two lists. One for discussion of topics and news, the other of of Party
>> actions. Someone might clarify this and also from being at meetings until
>> the last year, I think that a woman Vibes Watcher is a good idea.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Drew Johnson <JamBoi at Greens.org> wrote:
>
>> From: Drew Johnson <JamBoi at Greens.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
>> unsubscribingmefrom regional list
>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 7:28 AM
>> On Wed, July 16, 2008 07:58, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>> > Okay, so Tian's not on that list, and I'm not
>> on that list. My question
>> > is: exactly what is this list, and why are Tian and I
>> not on it?
>> >   Caroline
>>
>> Hey Caroline and all,
>>
>> Okay this is a valuable question.  The list in question is
>> called the
>> SC-SM (Santa Clara - San Mateo) list.  Our two county
>> parties form what is
>> called a 'region'  (The 'Silicon Valley'
>> Region) for the purposes of Green
>> Party of California (GPCA) self governance.  It is the
>> Silicon Valley
>> Region which is about to get together for the picnic you
>> have put
>> together.  Theoretically a region could also provide more
>> support,
>> structure and resources for candidates and campaigns as
>> well, but mostly
>> its just a way to select a representative -- Regional
>> Representative or
>> RR.  And note that the 14th Congression District crosses
>> into both
>> counties of the 'Silicon Valley Region', so for the
>> race that Carol
>> Brouillet is running, both counties need to provide
>> support.  Currently
>> Jim Stauffer serves as the Alternate RR but since there is
>> no RR other
>> than him he basically serves as the RR.
>>
>> The Regional Representatives participate in the GPCA's
>> Coordinating
>> Committee (CC).   The CC runs the day to day affairs of the
>> GPCA in
>> between General Assemblies (GA).  GAs are actually the
>> highest authority
>> within the GPCA, but since they are only occasional (2 or 3
>> times per year
>> -- one is coming up in August in Orange County), there
>> needs to be a way
>> to get business done the rest of the time and the CC
>> provides that
>> service.
>>
>> Unfortunately over the past number of years the CC has been
>> ground to a
>> halt by what I call the Factional Fanatics.  There are
>> basically two
>> Factions that hate each other's guts and are apparently
>> more interested in
>> gaining their own power and defeating the other faction
>> than in the good
>> of the party.
>>
>> One faction is lead by Mike Feinstein who's highest
>> claim to fame so far
>> is being the former Mayor of in the LA area.  The other
>> faction claims
>> that Mike Feinstein financial improprieties more than 10
>> years ago and
>> they persist in crusading against MF and his followers in
>> the LA Region
>> and all over the state.  The other faction was previously
>> led by Jo
>> Chamberlain who is from San Mateo ie. in our own Silicon
>> Valley Region and
>> who was the RR from our region until she resigned recently
>> which put Jim
>> Stauffer in the role.  Jo had previously been active in the
>> national party
>> as well and served as a CoChair to the Green National
>> Committee (sorta
>> like Howard Dean but with 7 Howard Deans instead of just
>> one).  From what
>> I could see (admittedly from a distance) Jo provided the
>> tactical genius
>> for her faction.  The rhetorical and strategic genius of
>> that faction was
>> Peter Camejo (several times Green gubnatorial candidate and
>> who ran as an
>> independent in 2004 as Ralph Nader's VP candidate.
>>
>> Confoundingly enough I've found that all of the members
>> of these two
>> factions deny being in a faction themselves and can only
>> identify their
>> opponents as being part of a faction.  This includes top
>> members of the
>> faction.  Mike Feinstein himself denies being a part of a
>> faction!!!  And
>> denies being a leader of said faction!!!  Jim Stauffer is a
>> fairly loyal
>> footsoldier of the JC/PC faction.  when  I've pointed
>> this out to him he
>> exploded in anger and totally denied it.  I suppose that
>> might be one of
>> the items he would call a 'lie' by me.  I suppose
>> facing truths that Jim
>> is in denial about like that he's a rageaholic and that
>> he's a key member
>> of the JC/PC Faction are uncomfortable I'm guessing.
>>
>> There's another structure called GDI (Greens for
>> Democratic Indepence)
>> that overlaps with the Jo Chamberlain/Peter Camejo faction.
>>  GDI is
>> nationwide and essentially could be called Greens for Nader
>> and Camejo
>> because that is pretty much their function.  They are
>> constantly harping
>> on this ideological concept they have called 'One Green
>> One Vote'.  I
>> won't get into it here, but I will say that while it
>> sounds good, they
>> place far too much emphasis on this ideological construct
>> and what it
>> boils down to is that they think the GPCA should dominate
>> the GP-US and
>> deliver the GPCA ballot line to Nader.  Jim Stauffer is
>> pretty
>> uninterested in national politics so I don't think
>> he's really a part of
>> that national faction.
>>
>>  Jim has been a long term member of the CC and indeed I
>> think at one point
>> served as one of the CoChairs of the CC as well as serving
>> as the Liaison
>> to the Secretary of State. So he has provided a LOT of
>> service and has
>> been with the party almost since its start.
>>
>> While its absolutely true that Jim is hard working and
>> super knowledgable,
>> he also has these problems with his behavior as you got a
>> sample of the
>> other day when he insulted you and a number of others on
>> this list.  These
>> unaddressed behavioral problems make him scarey to be
>> around and many
>> people report unwillingness to even put themselves in He
>> seems to
>> experience temper tantrums like you wouldn't believe.
>> It makes our
>> General Meetings very unpleasant and contentious at times.
>> He is what
>> some people call a Mood Transmitter.  When he walks in the
>> room the whole
>> emotional atmosphere of the room is effected (this is a
>> phenomenon that
>> not everyone experiences, but I and some others certainly
>> do and have
>> talked about it).
>>
>>  I would also characterize him as a 'control
>> freak'.   As we've been able
>> to see in these past few postings by Jim, even though he
>> hasn't been on
>> the County Council literally in years he treats the Council
>> contemptuously and as though he were not only more powerful
>> than a
>> Councilor.  He's not -- the RR is put into position BY
>> The Council.  The
>> Council is directly elected by the Green Party members and
>> so is in a
>> sense the most direct representatives of Grassroots
>> Democracy and
>> everything else in the party including the delegates to the
>> General
>> Assembly (GA) are determined by The Councils.   He also
>> seems to hold the
>> opinion that whatever HE defines the purpose of the SC-SM
>> list as should
>> automatically and absolutely be treated as law without
>> reference back to
>> the (actually more powerful and that which he's
>> supposed to be
>> accountable to) Councils.  He doesn't see a need
>> apparently to check back
>> with The Councils who essentially put him into his position
>> in the first
>> place and who has the right to recall, remove or replace
>> him.
>>
>> Jim has regularly demeaned Carol Brouillet (new member of
>> The Council and
>> highest vote getter).  He doesn't care for her radical
>> politics and
>> especially her emphasis on getting down to the truth of
>> what happened on
>> 9-11.  But Carol is not the only woman that Jim treats
>> contempuously and I
>> would not be the only one to point out that he seems to
>> have some kind of
>> issue going on with women generally.
>>
>> Although he might not say it right now Tian has also been a
>> regular target
>> of Jim's wrath.  Jim doesn't like that Tian can be
>> so dominating of
>> meeting time since Tian expresses himself so slowly during
>> meetings and
>> also that Tian sometimes reports unconfirmed rumours as
>> fact.
>>
>> Jim Stauffer's behavior is one of the primary reasons I
>> refuse to invite
>> any newcomers to the General Meeting.  Why should newbies
>> be subjected to
>> this unpleasantness?  It is quite possible that they will
>> be so turned off
>> they will leave and never return.  It was great that he was
>> absent at this
>> last meeting and frankly that might be a contributing
>> reason it went so
>> well.
>>
>>
>> Green is Connection!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> >
>> > Drew Johnson <JamBoi at Greens.org> wrote:
>> >   Jim's mischaracterization that this was about
>> 'general discussion' is
>> > misleading and innacurate and therefore is irrelevant.
>> >
>> > Hitting a person is far from the only form of
>> violence. Month by month we
>> > have been subjected to Jim's violent attitude
>> towards any that disagree
>> > with him. I know for a fact that numerous people
>> (especially women
>> > because of his misogynistic attitudes) have been
>> turned off of our
>> > county's party and have not returned based on what
>> you call Tian his
>> > 'personality'. Its not his personality. Its
>> that he is an unrecovered
>> > rageaholic. He needs help but apparently doesn't
>> take steps to get Anger
>> > Management or whatever it is that would address his
>> issues. Just in the
>> > past few days a number of Santa Clara Greens have been
>> abused by Jim on
>> > the e-mail list. This arrogant and tyrannous behavior
>> is completely
>> > unacceptable of someone who we have entrusted with
>> being our Regional
>> > Representative to the GPCA Coordinating Committee.
>> >
>> > Further it is not Jim's perview to arbitrarily and
>> unilaterally take a
>> > GPSC County Councilor emeritus
>> > off any GPCA e-mail list. He is not the king of
>> anything. He did not
>> > have the right to act in such an emperious way.
>> >
>> > We can not afford to continue to turn a blind eye to
>> Jim's ongoing
>> > egregious toxic behavior, so we need to protect our
>> membership by removing
>> > the power investing in Jim's that he is injuring
>> other people and our
>> > party with.
>> >
>> > No I will not drop my requests to the County Council.
>> Absolutely not.
>> >
>> >
>> > Green is Safe!
>> >
>> > Drew
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, July 16, 2008 00:37, Tian Harter wrote:
>> >> I gotta agree that general discussion belongs in
>> the discussion forum.
>> >> I've not been on that list so I don't know
>> a "crime" was committed,
>> >> but I could believe Drew would post discussion
>> items beyond where they
>> >> go.
>> >>
>> >> I consider the rant below this a bit over the top.
>> Stauffer often acts
>> >> grumpy, but I have never seen him hit anyone. If
>> you allow for his
>> >> personality, he is a fine fellow traveler. Please
>> cut him a little
>> >> slack.
>> >>
>> >> When we have an activist that wants to do the work
>> Jim is doing quite
>> >> well, then is the time to vote him out of office.
>> Until then, I say
>> >> "Why can't we all just get along?"
>> >>
>> >> Tian
>> >>
>> >> Drew Johnson wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:20, Jim Stauffer
>> wrote:
>> >>>> Do any of you know what you're talking
>> about?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> This quote is typically arrogant behavior from
>> Jim Stauffer. It falls
>> >>> entirely within his typical pattern of
>> behavior. How offensive can you
>> >>> get???
>> >>>
>> >>> This puts across the entirely elitist message:
>> "Watch out people, do
>> >>> not
>> >>> cross Jim Stauffer. He knows what's best
>> for you. Do not speak out
>> >>> against his outrageous rageaholic behavior
>> because he will slap you
>> >>> down.
>> >>>
>> >>> I say the party can not afford to put a
>> rageaholic into a position of
>> >>> power. How many have left our party because of
>> Jim's behavior. Its
>> >>> worth
>> >>> pointing out that Jim behaves consistently in
>> a consistently
>> >>> misogynistic
>> >>> manner. He's a white male and he knows
>> better than you (as in the above
>> >>> example). Just rollover people because Jim is
>> the tyrant and you have
>> >>> no
>> >>> right to question any of his hurtful behavior.
>> Like Bush, he is
>> >>> entirely
>> >>> above the shackles of any kind of check on his
>> actions. Thank you Jim
>> >>> for
>> >>> giving us a beautiful example of exactly what
>> we Greens are working to
>> >>> overcome in our world today.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Green is Connection!
>> >>>
>> >>> Drew
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Can any of you tell me the what list he
>> was removed from and the
>> >>>> purpose
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> that list?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Have any of you read GPCA net etiquette
>> policy
>> >>>>
>> (http://cagreens.org/structure/email_etiquette.shtml) that
>> asks for
>> >>>> cooperation from participants on these
>> cost-free, advertising-free
>> >>>> lists
>> >>>> that the party provides for your use?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And, finally, what right do any of you
>> have to tell the small
>> >>>> membership
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> closed, special-purpose list who they have
>> to allow as members and
>> >>>> what
>> >>>> messages they have to read?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> kaisha_marie at comcast.net wrote:
>> >>>>> I appreciate Drew's posts and he
>> is the reason I'm green at all. I
>> >>>>> don't
>> >>>>> understand why his speech would be
>> limited in any green forum. What
>> >>>>> are
>> >>>>> the rules being violated specifically?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Green is unification,
>> >>>>> Kaisha
>> >>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless
>> BlackBerry
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Fred Duperrault
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00
>> >>>>> To: Drew Johnson
>> >>>>> Cc:
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim
>> Stauffer's high handedly
>> >>>>> unsubscribing
>> >>>>> me from regional list
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads
>> and his comments. I'm sure he
>> >>>>> informs
>> >>>>> and energizes many Greens who rely on
>> the discussion list.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I see no harm.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Fred Duperrault
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hello All,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I agree with Drew. In these trying
>> times pretty much everyone, who's
>> >>>>> serious about this planet and it
>> turning GREEN someday, has something
>> >>>>> to say that is important. That is,
>> information about impeachment,
>> >>>>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass
>> transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
>> >>>>> is all good and points towards a
>> GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
>> >>>>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing
>> that will help the GREEN party.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Randy W. Sandberg
>> >>>>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew
>> Johnson wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I vehemently protest this
>> unilateral action by Jim Stauffer. Jim is
>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>>>> the king of the e-mail list and
>> does not have the right to partake
>> >>>>>> in such
>> >>>>>> high handed behavior. This is not
>> a "green" way to operate. I
>> >>>>>> request
>> >>>>>> the County Council instruct Jim to
>> immediately reinstate my
>> >>>>>> subscription
>> >>>>>> to the regional list and make it
>> clear to Jim that this behavior is
>> >>>>>> completely unacceptable.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Green is Ethical!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Drew Johnson
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> County Council Emeritus and
>> >>>>>> Elected Delegate the Green
>> National Committee (among many other
>> >>>>>> forms of
>> >>>>>> service I provide)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ----------------------------
>> Original Message
>> >>>>>> ----------------------------
>> >>>>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing
>> Drew
>> >>>>>> From: "Jim Stauffer"
>> >>>>>> Date: Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>> >>>>>> To: "Regional List"
>> >>>>>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson
>> from this list. He's been asked
>> >>>>>> several times
>> >>>>>> to stop posting general discussion
>> issues, and he refuses to do so.
>> >>>>>> This
>> >>>>>> list is defined for a discussion
>> of regional Green Party issues. The
>> >>>>>> GPCA
>> >>>>>> has a list-use policy and his
>> actions violate it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County
>> Council, so his only purpose for
>> >>>>>> remaining on this list is to use
>> it to distribute his favorite
>> >>>>>> discussion
>> >>>>>> topics.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want
>> get his posts, you can add him to
>> >>>>>> your
>> >>>>>> discussion list.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Jim
>> >>>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>>> SC-SM mailing list
>> >>>>>> SC-SM at lists.sonic.net
>> >>>>>>
>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm





From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 18 10:18:37 2008
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] PA Republican Supporting Ballot Access Reform...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25403.1216318376.24070.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <932439.76730.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

...and WI & NY Democrats supporting weekend election days!



>From Ballot Access News: On July 17, Pennsylvania State Senator Mike Folmer (R-Lancaster and
Lebanon Counties) contacted the Pennsylvania Ballot Access Coalition,
and requested a copy of the Coalition?s original 2007 ballot access
proposal. The Senator said he is not interested in Representative Kerry
Benninghoff?s idea for replacing mandatory petitions with filing fees.
Senator Folmer wants ideas for a bill specifically to help minor
parties. The Coalition?s original proposal, submitted to all
legislators last year, was a ballot access system similar to Delaware?s
system. In Delaware, minor parties that attain a certain number of
registered voters are considered qualified parties, and nominate by
convention, and are automatically on the November ballot.

---



The weekend voting bills are HR 6240 and S 2638. I don't understand why
it has to be the first weekend after the first Friday of November and
why it is not just the first weekend of November.



I have already emailed the Pennsylvanian state senator thanking him for
his initial actions and hopefully if more people from outside his
district email him, he will see that his advocacy is actually something
that can indirectly impact millions of Americans who live in states
with restrictive ballot access laws like Pennsylvania.



Also, neither of the Congressional bills has any co-sponsors (except
Hillary for S 2638). Let's get the GPCA to ask all on their lists to
email Boxer, Feinstein, and our local reps to ask that they not only
co-sponsor these bills, but to advocate for them once they reach the
floors of their respective chambers.



These three pieces of legislation may not be the end-all-be-all of the problem, but they sure help.



-Edward




      
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Jul 18 13:30:49 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:30:49 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?KPFA_=22Friend_Raising=22=97Te?=
	=?windows-1252?q?ll_Them_Thanks!!!?=
Message-ID: <C04C7D51-EA52-43DD-809A-AF9CC8AAA26F@cagreens.org>

Now is a moment we Greens can take advantage of!
KPFA (94.1 FM)  is searching for funds to continue running their  
progressive radio programs.

Yes, they are laced with yellow-dog Democrats, but they also have Amy  
Goodman's Democracy Now, Dennis Bernstein's Flashpoints, Free Speech  
News, Guns and Butter, Seventh Generation, Against the Grain...all  
programs that have true left and, some, far left subject matter and  
positions.

We have added a KPFA link to our Green website?a move of brilliance  
IMHO?now let's donate to KPFA and be sure that they know that the  
money is coming from a member of the Green Party.

YOU CAN DONATE AS LITTLE AS $25 AND BE A VOTING MEMBER OF KPFA!  You  
can influence the elections.

When you donate large amounts ($100 or more) they will ask if it's OK  
to thank you on the air?ask them to thank Green Party member (name)  
or if you prefer privacy, ask them to thank a Green Party member from  
(your city).

Remember to thank them for the live coverage of the GP in Chicago and/ 
or the interviews in Chicago by Davy Dee!

If you are an inclusive person in the Greens, you might want to thank  
them for interviewing third (or minor) party candidates (Nader of  
Independent Party and Bob? of Libertarian Party), showing that the  
idea is to OPEN VENUES TO OTHER PARTIES besides the two majors.

All this exerts gentle pressure on them to report on the Green Party  
and its candidates if they want to keep this money pipeline open!

This is a chance for grassroots partnering that we should NOT miss!

Best regards to ALL Greens, whatever your position on voting in  
November,
Andrea


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From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Jul 18 13:56:11 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:56:11 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Open Space
Message-ID: <4881036B.1090005@charter.net>

We have two issues going on that involve open space and how it might be 
used. 

The first is the situation with BAREC.  Kathryn Mathewson sent out a 
report this week which begins with:
> Currently SaveBAREC has a CEQA lawsuit.  The hearing for this CEQA 
> lawsuit will be tomorrow morning, July 18th at 9 a.m.  The location is 
> 191 North First Street, San Jose, Courtroom 21.  Judge Nicols will be 
> presiding.  The public can listen but not speak.  Our San Francisco 
> environmental attorney, Mark Wolfe, is doing an excellent job. 
and it ends with and appeal for volunteer time and/or money.  I would 
guess that they need money more than anything else.

The second issue involves the entire county.  According to a story today 
in the Morgan Hill Times:
> The California Supreme Court threw a wrench into the Santa Clara 
> County Open Space Authority's plans when it ruled unanimously that $56 
> million in taxes were illegally collected.
http://morganhilltimes.com/news/246774-open-space-tax-ruled-illegal

It was one of the first cases of "vote by mail" in the County. 

> Proposition 218 limited the ability of local governments to impose 
> real property assessments. Five years later, the Open Space Authority 
> imposed the county-wide tax through a vote by mail. Of the 
> approximately 314,000 official ballots mailed, 48,100 were returned, a 
> 15 percent response rate.
>
> Immediately, the taxpayer's association filed a lawsuit charging that 
> the tax was illegal because it did not meet Prop 218's "special 
> benefit" distinction.
According to Supervisor Don Gage (Dist. 1)...
> The Supreme Court ruling is bad news," he said Thursday. "We don't 
> lose the whole tax, the first part was legal and they say the second 
> part wasn't, but with the revenue, the county had been purchasing a 
> lot of open space land to keep in perpetuity. Now they don't have the 
> dollars to do that, there will be fewer and fewer open spaces and more 
> land used for development."
I frequently disagree with Gage, and I am a bit surprised by the direct 
nature of his statement as he is well connected with and mostly funded 
by developers.  This specific ruling may have ramifications beyond our 
local question... one that could affect how other communities proceed 
with special parcel assessments.

The question of Open Space, it's preservation and non-use, is all 
connected to the concept of bio-diversity.  I will be writing more on 
that, and the Delta, in my next MH Times article to be submitted today 
for running next week.

Wes

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Jul 18 14:31:16 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:31:16 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Restore the Delta takes on the PPIC
Message-ID: <48810BA4.6020502@charter.net>

I posted a new notice on California Greening today concerning this weeks 
release of a new report by the Public Policy Institute of California 
supporting the idea of a peripheral canal.  I believe that study to be 
biased.  It is suspect as it was funded in part by Bechtel.

The entire thing is too long to post here, so please read it at 
cagreening 
<http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2008/07/i-had-planned-to-write-post-today-about.html>. 


-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 18 16:13:41 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:13:41 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: [GPCA Official Notice] Plenary Agenda Packet
Message-ID: <001b01c8e92b$eba1e3a0$4101a8c0@JIMSDESKTOP>


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> allocation. Please read it ASAP. If you have concerns about any proposal,
> please send them to the people listed as the contact persons and/or 
> sponsors
> *before* the meeting begins.
>
> The logistics packet contains information on the meeting site, housing,
> registration and host contacts.
>
> Online registration will open on Sunday, July 20.
>
> NOTE: Counties are also required to submit their list of General Assembly
> delegates online. Use the Delegates link on the plenary page cited above.
>
> Online registration and delegate submission closes on Wednesday August 20.
>
>
>
> You may participate in this important event in a number of ways:
>
> At the General Assembly
> - as a delegate or a observer in the decision-making plenary sessions
>    and/or
> - as participant in working group, standing committee and/or caucus 
> meetings
>
> Before the General Assembly
> - with a working group or standing committee that is generating a proposal
> - discussing the agenda proposals in your county and on-line
>
> We hope to see you in Dana Point!
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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Fri Jul 18 16:50:01 2008
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:50:01 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Silicon Valley Region CC Member Needed
Message-ID: <c1a.42b3a3d5.35b28629@aol.com>

Folks!  Just as a reminder -- Both Santa Clara and San  Mateo County GPs 
revised their bylaws so we could appoint our member and  alternate to the GPCA 
Coordinating Committee more democratically from our local  organizations.  Jim 
Stauffer has been our alternate since (and interim  alternate before) the 
September 2006 South Lake Tahoe Plenary.  Jim has  sent messages that his term is 
ending and that replacements are needed, but no  one (as far as I have heard) 
has volunteered for either of these  positions.  In the past, we have tried to 
have the Regional Rep from one  County and the alternate for the other.  The CC 
responsibilities are  summarized in the GPCA Bylaws.  They include monthly 
teleconferences,  participation on an email list, and working in at least one 
GPCA committee or  working group.  Any volunteers???  Warner
 
 



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From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:00:04 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Old CC Newz : [was Jim Stauffer's high handedly
	etc.]
Message-ID: <c84.2fdac8fe.35b28884@aol.com>

IMO Drew's descriptions of the GPCA Coordinating are at worst  inaccurate and 
at best out of date.  Never mind the character attacks on  specific 
individuals (this is Green???).  Drew does not have the benefit of  being a member of 
the Coordinating Committee or getting reports about its  current work and 
atmosphere as a state party committee or working group  coordinator.  Drew's 
comments are pretty insulting to the group of current  volunteer CC members who are 
trying to move the GPCA forward... including their  work towards organizing 
the next state meeting, and, particularly, Larry  Mullen's work in organizing a 
pre-plenary strategy meeting in Fresno, August  2nd.  Warner



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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 14 12:39:54 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:39:54 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] SC-SM regional list
Message-ID: <487BAB8A.3070809@sbcglobal.net>

My concept of the SC-SM list is that it is for regional business.
If it truly is for regional business I do not find it inappropriate to 
remove
Drew from the list for his postings because, although they affect the 
region,
let's say in the sense of global warming, etc., they are not about 
regional "business."

Furthermore, an alternative was offered - join the San Mateo county 
discussion list.

Also, a warning had been issued.

Now, it is an irritation for me to receive the same posting more than 
once and I fall
into the trap of opening the second version of the posting because it 
might contain
different information or be relevant to regional "business.".

And I have a further question - what shall I do with the information 
Drew provides?

Jim Doyle



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 20 10:24:31 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:24:31 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Nation of Sheep?
Message-ID: <488374CF.7060707@earthlink.net>



"Netroots Nation or Nation of Sheep: Nancy Pelosi and Al Gore Address
the Netroots Nation Conference"

      http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/19/10478/

I found this very interesting.

- It seems most participants were quite unhappy with the Democratic
   leadership, including Pelosi, but not Al Gore.

- There was a threat to arrest anyone who was too passionate in
   expressing frustration.

- Final paragraph:

"Whether or not you decide to vote for Democrat Barack Obama, Green
Party candidate Cynthia McKinney, or Independent Ralph Nader in
November, please go to http://www.GrassrootsNetroots.org  and join a
growing radical populist army who believe we need an alternative to
MoveOn and Democratic Party centrists. The doomsday clock is ticking.
Let's fight like hell to make sure that 2008 is not the year where we
tried to change drivers, but still went over the cliff."


NOTE: I know nothing about the author (Ronnie Cummins) or the
Grassroots Netroots Alliance.  Can anyone clarify?

Gerry





From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sun Jul 20 15:44:31 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:44:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] SC-SM regional list
In-Reply-To: <487BAB8A.3070809@sbcglobal.net>
References: <487BAB8A.3070809@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <59617.76.126.222.234.1216593871.squirrel@greens.org>

The first problem with this analysis is that it is completely inaccurate
re: what I actually posted on that list.  I did NOT post general info on
it, but only party info that was relevant or red hot info that everyone
and I do mean everyone in the party needs to be up on.  If people looked
on the e-mail archives you could see what I posted and its not just
general info (unlike what I post here).  So that post is wrong.

Secondly joining another county's list should not be encouraged IMO.  I
don't want people from other counties on our list (especially not posting)
and I don't want people from our county butting into other county's list.

The regional list is for info of regional import, yes but that is not
nearly as narrow and cramped a criteria as Jim Stauffer would make it. 
Jim treats it as some kind of precious little list that can never be used.
I don't agree.

Perhaps the most important point is that I WAS ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL WHEN
ALL THIS WAS TAKING PLACE.  HELLO!!!  I WAS ONE OF THE POLICY MAKERS,
WHEREAS JIM WAS NOT ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL, BUT DID THAT CAUSE HIM TO PAUSE
AND ASK ME AND THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT THE POLICY SHOULD BE??? No.  He just
arrogantly tried to dictate to the Council how things would be.  Sorry I'm
a NO to this kind behavior and I'm taking a firm stand against it.


Green is Clarity!

Drew



On Mon, July 14, 2008 12:39, Jim Doyle wrote:
> My concept of the SC-SM list is that it is for regional business.
> If it truly is for regional business I do not find it inappropriate to
> remove
> Drew from the list for his postings because, although they affect the
> region,
> let's say in the sense of global warming, etc., they are not about
> regional "business."
>
> Furthermore, an alternative was offered - join the San Mateo county
> discussion list.
>
> Also, a warning had been issued.
>
> Now, it is an irritation for me to receive the same posting more than
> once and I fall
> into the trap of opening the second version of the posting because it
> might contain
> different information or be relevant to regional "business.".
>
> And I have a further question - what shall I do with the information
> Drew provides?
>
> Jim Doyle
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 21 11:46:48 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:46:48 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] What do you see in Obama?
Message-ID: <4884D998.1040807@earthlink.net>

"People See in Obama What They Want to See - That's a Blessing and a Curse"
"As the US Democratic candidate heads towards Europe, liberals refer to 
him as if he represents a second coming"

     http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/21/10495/

reminds me of the Obama button I saw on July 4th.

Gerry



From mkmusic at greens.org  Wed Jul 23 02:27:45 2008
From: mkmusic at greens.org (Merriam Kathaleen)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [SVIC] This Thursday 7/24 is our first
 Impeachment Demonstration at the Metro Newspaper]
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Jul 23 14:23:37 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:23:37 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] My take on the Green Party Nominating Convention
	in Chicago.
Message-ID: <4887A159.6070209@aceweb.com>

http://tian.greens.org/GreenParty/Chicago2008/index.html
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Tax dollars at work: The US Navy used about $5 million to remove 67
million gallons of groundwater from Moffett Field, from which almost
23.7 pounds of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) were cleaned. It is
estimated that there are still about five pounds of VOCs in the plume.


From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Jul 23 15:13:48 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:13:48 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Water Wars Continue
Message-ID: <4887AD1C.6080806@charter.net>

Op Ed submitted to the Morgan Hill Times yesterday for publication 
(Hopefully on Friday).

__

Some of us have been writing about water for years. Get used to reading 
it because you are going to be inundated with ever more stories, opinion 
pieces, etc. between now and early next year.

The Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) published a report on 
the California Delta that supplies water for more that 60% of 
California's residents and a great deal of the Central Valley 
agriculture. This report has, during the past week, been covered to some 
extent on every major news outlet in the State The PPIC places all of 
our hopes for a reliable water supply on the construction of a 
peripheral canal routing water around the delta, changing the nature of 
that resource forever and doing it in a manner from which it can not 
recover.

In the same week, we had Gov. Schwarzenegger and Sen.Feinstein calling 
for the state legislature to deal with a $9.3 billion bond proposal to 
build new reservoirs and other water conservation projects. This, even 
though the PPIC has a negative opinion on the usefulness of new dams. 
The PPIC's report seems incomplete. The data backing up their 
conclusions was in appendices which will not be made public until later 
in the summer. I am told, that the Schwarzenegger pushed to have the 
report out before it was ready. The story is being scripted.

Every political publication has a back story that makes you want to 
doubt the motives of the authors. Besides Schwarzenegger's meddling, the 
PPIC Report was funded, in part, by Stephen D. Bechtel, Jr., co-owner of 
Bechtel Corp., one of the largest players in the businesses of water 
system construction and water privatization.

The fact that one of the funders has a vested interest in the outcome of 
this study is enough to make me begin to question how it was 
constructed. It is always possible to control the answer to problem by 
the way you structure it's definition. It would be refreshing to hear 
Bechtel say that they will refrain from bidding on any water project, 
but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

Bechtel's history in water projects is one where they use political 
power and then seek to overturn common sense in their pursuit of 
profits. For example, with one World Bank project in Bolivia, Bechtel 
claimed that they had the right to charge farmers for the water that 
fell as rain on their property since that was water that Bechtel could 
have sold to the cities.

This is going to be much more complicated than just being an attempt to 
grab new water supplies for Southern California, even though the 
Metropolitan Water District has said that they are willing to pay. The 
same could be said for the farmers of the Central Valley, except that 
they are never willing to pay and get by now on heavily subsidized water.

The fact is that the world is running out of fresh water and the fight 
to control it has begun. Major corporations, like Bechtel, are in the 
middle of it all. There is a history of major water vendors to take over 
the operation of a system, for example as Bechtel did in Guayaquil, 
Ecuador. They then protect their profits by not investing in needed 
upgrades or even maintenance. In the case of the Bechtel contract in 
Guayaquil the system broke down, the water was contaminated and the 
citizens finally threw them out.

We have similar water privatization problems in California.. OMI-Thames 
is a major European water corporation who took over the operation on the 
Stockton Municipal Water system in 2003. The contract with the City of 
Stockton was later judged to have been illegal. Even so, the same 
patterns of non-performance were in evidence in Stockton, just not on 
the scale of Bechtel's Ecuadorian fiasco.

As for ourselves, a $6.8 billion bond issue effort was sponsored by 
State Senator Don Perata. It failed to make the ballot in Nov. There are 
now five separate, but similar, bond issue proposals listed on the 
Secretary of State's web site, all of which would spend 30% of the money 
for new dams but asking for $11.6 billion.

The PPIC was right in that we don't know what we are doing but, in the 
rush to fix the problem and get re-elected, our politicians are going to 
fall back on simplistic solutions for complicated problems. A common 
view is that water needs to be stored behind dams for use later. . Well, 
California has hundreds of dams and they are not full this year, or most 
years. So, I am not sure what we gain by building new ones.

We are told that we have to rebuild the delta's levees. The PPIC report 
indicated that there are some islands in the delta that are not 
sustainable and should be abandoned. This may mean that State will have 
to buy up as much as 100,000 acres of farm land, allowing the levees to 
fail and the land to return to its original state. Of course, these 
costs were not included in any of the bond measures nor, as far as I can 
tell, in the cost projections furnished by the PPIC..

We will end up with multiple solutions. It will involve conservation, 
recycling, desalinization and levee maintenance not only for now, but 
for sea levels pushed higher as the result of global warming. One way or 
another, as taxpayers or as rate payers, we will end up footing a very 
large bill. I only hope that common sense will prevail because the 
prospect of continued political stalemate on this issue means financial 
disaster for California. I don't trust those whose current governance of 
California's water to come up with the right answers.



-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From WB4D23 at aol.com  Wed Jul 23 20:49:15 2008
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:49:15 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Preparing for the Orange County Plenary August
	23-24/August 6th Agenda Items
Message-ID: <d17.2f8d66d6.35b955bb@aol.com>

The next GPCA state meeting will be held Saturday-Sunday  August 23-24 at 
Dana Point (southern coastal Orange County).  The draft  agenda includes a number 
of items, including proposed GPCA Platform  additions.  The Plenary will also 
consider November 2008 ballot  measures.  Under our monthly general meeting 
schedule, our only meeting  before the Plenary will be August 6th (first 
Wednesday).  At that meeting  we will need to affirm delegates and alternates to the 
Plenary and decide how to  deal with instructions to those delegates.  We 
also have outstanding issues  regarding recruiting and affirming a new GPCA 
Coordinating Committee member and  alternate (in coordination with the San Mateo 
County GP).   Warner



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From mkmusic at greens.org  Thu Jul 24 02:46:11 2008
From: mkmusic at greens.org (Merriam Kathaleen)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:46:11 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [SVIC] Impeachment Demonstration at Zoe
 Lofgren's district office this Fri. 7/25]
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From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Jul 24 17:04:02 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:04:02 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [SVIC] Impeachment Demonstration at Zoe
	Lofgren's district office this Fri. 7/25]
In-Reply-To: <48884F63.5060206@greens.org>
References: <48884F63.5060206@greens.org>
Message-ID: <01FD9179-4C89-4E2E-BFBC-293900AFEDF1@cagreens.org>

KPFA will carry it LIVE!!
Call in to let them know you appreciate their  dogged following of  
this and other Progressive events!!
Andi

On Jul 24, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Merriam Kathaleen wrote:
>
>
> From: MKmusic03 at aol.com
> Date: July 24, 2008 12:49:53 AM PDT
> To: svic at lists.riseup.net
> Cc: MKmusic03 at aol.com
> Subject: [SVIC] Impeachment Demonstration at Zoe Lofgren's district  
> office this Fri. 7/25
> Reply-To: svic at lists.riseup.net,MKmusic03 at aol.com
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> This is the week we have all been waiting for and putting out all  
> our efforts for the past years! !!!!
>
> This Friday 7/25 there will be a House Judiciary Committee hearing  
> and Dennis Kucinich is definitely one of the speakers.  Though the  
> hearing is not primarily about impeachment we can be certain the  
> topic will be brought up.  The hearing begins 10:00 am Washington  
> DC time.
>
> We will then celebrate our standing up for the Constitution by  
> demonstrating in front of Zoe Lofgren's office.  Come out and be a  
> part of this historical moment.  Make no Mistake, it is the power  
> of "WE THE PEOPLE" that has brought about the Judiciary Committee  
> hearing!!!!  We The People have spoken and WE have been heard!!!!!
>
> This Friday will be our 37th consecutive week of demonstrating  
> LOUDLY for IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS!!!!  Join us in front of Zoe's  
> office at 635 N. 1st St., San Jose. (Between Taylor & Jackson St.  
> across from the IHOP restaurant/Light Rail stop is corner of  
> Jackson St on 1st St.)
> We will be there from 3:00pm - 6:00pm. We want to be loud and proud  
> for Impeachment hearings for Cheney and Bush.
>
> SEE YOU THERE.  IF YOU CAN'T BE THERE PLEASE CALL ZOE'S OFFICE  
> (408-271-8700) TO TELL THEM THAT YOU WANT ZOE TO SUPPORT  
> IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Merriam
> Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition
> mkmusic03 at aol.com
> 408-482-6032 (Cell)
> svimpeach.org
>
>
>
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 24 22:41:33 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:41:33 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [SVIC] WATCH Dennis and others speaking in
	front of the Judiciary Committee tomorrow]
Message-ID: <4889678D.6070808@earthlink.net>


On KPFA, C-SPAN, and who knows where else.

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [SVIC] WATCH Dennis and others speaking in front of the
Judiciary Committee tomorrow
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:30:18 -0700
From: justvegan at mac.com
Reply-To: svic at lists.riseup.net,justvegan at mac.com
To: svic at lists.riseup.net, Peninsula Peace and Justice Center
<ppjc at peaceandjustice.org>, AndJusticeForAll-discuss at yahoogroups.com,
impeach meetup <impeachbush-404 at meetup.com>, sbm at lists.riseup.net




http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/calendar.html


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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Fri Jul 25 16:43:11 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:43:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Come join me on National Lavender Greens Caucus...
Message-ID: <2608.75.19.86.251.1217029391.squirrel@www.greens.org>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: [gpus-del] Fwd: [usgp-dx] Come join me on National Lavender
Greens Caucus...
From:    "Sanda Everette" <sanda at greens.org>
Date:    Fri, July 18, 2008 20:04
To:      "Delegates from GPCA to GPUS" <gpus-del at lists.cagreens.org>
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There was a request to forward this to state lists.  Will someone on
CalForum forward it there.

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Date: Jul 18, 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: [usgp-dx] Come join me on National Lavender Greens Caucus...
To: "natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org" <natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org>

National Lavender Greens Caucus: Voice of the Lavender Community within the
Green Party of the United States

David Strand has invited you to join National Lavender Greens Caucus

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Please pass this invitation on to state party lists.  The Lavender Green
networking site offers more social and informal ways of interacting with the
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If your email program doesn't recognize the web address above as an active
link,
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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Fri Jul 25 22:51:35 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] County Council Meeting Sat. 25th 3pm @ Jim Doyle's
Message-ID: <2827.75.19.86.251.1217051495.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Dear All,

Caroline told me she had company and would be unlikely to make it, and
Merriam said she was improbable due to her work on Impeachment @ the SJ
Peace & Justice Center.  I'm planning to come.

I'm thinking that since Jim Stauffer's term is up and hence replacing him
is just as good as recalling him, that it would be more constructive for
me to not bother with a recall effort, but just to focus on his
unjustified actions of removing me from the regional list -- so as I'd
said originally I'll look for my reinstatement on the list and the council
making it clear to Jim that such behavior is out of bounds.

BTW, I'm volunteering to serve as our next Regional Rep.


Green is Core!

Drew


---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: try again (2)
From:    "Jim Doyle" <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
Date:    Tue, July 22, 2008 19:25
To:      "andrea dorey" <andid at cagreens.org>
         "Carol Brouillet" <cbrouillet at igc.org>
         carolineyacoub at att.net
         "dana St George" <danasg at greens.org>
         "tian harter" <tnHarter at aceweb.com>
         "Wesley Rolley" <wrolley at charter.net>
Cc:      "Drew" <jamboi at greens.org>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I wish to correct any misunderstandings I might have caused
by my more recent lists of agenda items for the county council meeting
we will try to hold this coming Saturday July 26-th tentatively set for
3 pm at 1683 Nightingale.

So far Carol has anounced she can come.
Caroline and Tian will not be available.
By implication Andrea and Jim will be there.
We still need a fourth to establish a quorum.

Agenda clarification:
After incorporating Drew's email reply to a call for agenda items verbatim
I subsequently shortened it and cut one part of it down to three words -
Recall Jim Stauffer.

I did not mean we would initiate a recall.  I meant that that would be a
topic
in the expectation that Drew would present a written complaint as described
in by-laws Article 3.3.

Possible agenda items are - and I do welcome your suggestions -

elect treasurer
picnic
tabling  (regular schedule)
agenda preparation (rotating duty, both cc and general meeting)
prepare an agenda for the august monthly meeting -
   there are ten or twelve ballot initiatives to establish a position on
   for county polling and a newsletter
discuss SC-SM email list ownership re (reinstatement request)
presentation of written complaint
newsletter
fundraising letter receipts
schedule next meeting





From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 26 00:45:03 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:45:03 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Questions for my Congressional Rep.
Message-ID: <BAY115-W3AC304F0BE884CBA52C6E9E810@phx.gbl>


1.  What in your busy legislative agenda could possibly be more important
than honoring your oath of office, defending the Constitution, and preserving
the rights of future generations by impeaching this rogue administration?  

2.  How can you claim that the 9/11 Commission investigations were thorough
when the Jersey Widows are still waiting for answers to 273 of their 300 
questions?
_________________________________________________________________
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From cbrouillet at igc.org  Sat Jul 26 08:42:30 2008
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:42:30 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] County Council Meeting Sat. 25th 3pm @ Jim
 Doyle's
In-Reply-To: <2827.75.19.86.251.1217051495.squirrel@www.greens.org>
References: <2827.75.19.86.251.1217051495.squirrel@www.greens.org>
Message-ID: <E1KMluV-0004DE-30@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Eshoo is holding a Town Hall Meeting in Meno Park from
1 to 2:30 p.m. in the City Council Chambers, 701 Laurel St., Menlo Park

I thought I should go and I guess I'll go directly from there to the 
meeting at Andrea's.

Carol

At 10:51 PM 7/25/2008, Drew Johnson wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>Caroline told me she had company and would be unlikely to make it, and
>Merriam said she was improbable due to her work on Impeachment @ the SJ
>Peace & Justice Center.  I'm planning to come.
>
>I'm thinking that since Jim Stauffer's term is up and hence replacing him
>is just as good as recalling him, that it would be more constructive for
>me to not bother with a recall effort, but just to focus on his
>unjustified actions of removing me from the regional list -- so as I'd
>said originally I'll look for my reinstatement on the list and the council
>making it clear to Jim that such behavior is out of bounds.
>
>BTW, I'm volunteering to serve as our next Regional Rep.
>
>
>Green is Core!
>
>Drew
>
>
>---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
>Subject: try again (2)
>From:    "Jim Doyle" <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
>Date:    Tue, July 22, 2008 19:25
>To:      "andrea dorey" <andid at cagreens.org>
>          "Carol Brouillet" <cbrouillet at igc.org>
>          carolineyacoub at att.net
>          "dana St George" <danasg at greens.org>
>          "tian harter" <tnHarter at aceweb.com>
>          "Wesley Rolley" <wrolley at charter.net>
>Cc:      "Drew" <jamboi at greens.org>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I wish to correct any misunderstandings I might have caused
>by my more recent lists of agenda items for the county council meeting
>we will try to hold this coming Saturday July 26-th tentatively set for
>3 pm at 1683 Nightingale.
>
>So far Carol has anounced she can come.
>Caroline and Tian will not be available.
>By implication Andrea and Jim will be there.
>We still need a fourth to establish a quorum.
>
>Agenda clarification:
>After incorporating Drew's email reply to a call for agenda items verbatim
>I subsequently shortened it and cut one part of it down to three words -
>Recall Jim Stauffer.
>
>I did not mean we would initiate a recall.  I meant that that would be a
>topic
>in the expectation that Drew would present a written complaint as described
>in by-laws Article 3.3.
>
>Possible agenda items are - and I do welcome your suggestions -
>
>elect treasurer
>picnic
>tabling  (regular schedule)
>agenda preparation (rotating duty, both cc and general meeting)
>prepare an agenda for the august monthly meeting -
>    there are ten or twelve ballot initiatives to establish a position on
>    for county polling and a newsletter
>discuss SC-SM email list ownership re (reinstatement request)
>presentation of written complaint
>newsletter
>fundraising letter receipts
>schedule next meeting
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss




From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sat Jul 26 10:27:17 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:27:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] County Council Meeting Sat. 25th 3pm @
 Andrea's
In-Reply-To: <E1KMluV-0004DE-30@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <2827.75.19.86.251.1217051495.squirrel@www.greens.org>
	<E1KMluV-0004DE-30@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3016.75.19.86.251.1217093237.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Oh Carol, thank you for pointing out that its at Andrea's not Jim Doyle's
as I'd mistakenly titled the post.  Ooops!


Green is Care!

Drew


On Sat, July 26, 2008 08:42, Carol Brouillet wrote:
>
> Eshoo is holding a Town Hall Meeting in Meno Park from
> 1 to 2:30 p.m. in the City Council Chambers, 701 Laurel St., Menlo Park
>
> I thought I should go and I guess I'll go directly from there to the
> meeting at Andrea's.
>
> Carol
>
> At 10:51 PM 7/25/2008, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>Dear All,
>>
>>Caroline told me she had company and would be unlikely to make it, and
>>Merriam said she was improbable due to her work on Impeachment @ the SJ
>>Peace & Justice Center.  I'm planning to come.
>>
>>I'm thinking that since Jim Stauffer's term is up and hence replacing him
>>is just as good as recalling him, that it would be more constructive for
>>me to not bother with a recall effort, but just to focus on his
>>unjustified actions of removing me from the regional list -- so as I'd
>>said originally I'll look for my reinstatement on the list and the
>> council
>>making it clear to Jim that such behavior is out of bounds.
>>
>>BTW, I'm volunteering to serve as our next Regional Rep.
>>
>>
>>Green is Core!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>
>>---------------------------- Original Message
>> ----------------------------
>>Subject: try again (2)
>>From:    "Jim Doyle" <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
>>Date:    Tue, July 22, 2008 19:25
>>To:      "andrea dorey" <andid at cagreens.org>
>>          "Carol Brouillet" <cbrouillet at igc.org>
>>          carolineyacoub at att.net
>>          "dana St George" <danasg at greens.org>
>>          "tian harter" <tnHarter at aceweb.com>
>>          "Wesley Rolley" <wrolley at charter.net>
>>Cc:      "Drew" <jamboi at greens.org>
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>I wish to correct any misunderstandings I might have caused
>>by my more recent lists of agenda items for the county council meeting
>>we will try to hold this coming Saturday July 26-th tentatively set for
>>3 pm at 1683 Nightingale.
>>
>>So far Carol has anounced she can come.
>>Caroline and Tian will not be available.
>>By implication Andrea and Jim will be there.
>>We still need a fourth to establish a quorum.
>>
>>Agenda clarification:
>>After incorporating Drew's email reply to a call for agenda items
>> verbatim
>>I subsequently shortened it and cut one part of it down to three words -
>>Recall Jim Stauffer.
>>
>>I did not mean we would initiate a recall.  I meant that that would be a
>>topic
>>in the expectation that Drew would present a written complaint as
>> described
>>in by-laws Article 3.3.
>>
>>Possible agenda items are - and I do welcome your suggestions -
>>
>>elect treasurer
>>picnic
>>tabling  (regular schedule)
>>agenda preparation (rotating duty, both cc and general meeting)
>>prepare an agenda for the august monthly meeting -
>>    there are ten or twelve ballot initiatives to establish a position on
>>    for county polling and a newsletter
>>discuss SC-SM email list ownership re (reinstatement request)
>>presentation of written complaint
>>newsletter
>>fundraising letter receipts
>>schedule next meeting
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>




From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sat Jul 26 10:28:38 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:28:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Silicon Valley Region CC Member Needed
In-Reply-To: <c1a.42b3a3d5.35b28629@aol.com>
References: <c1a.42b3a3d5.35b28629@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3021.75.19.86.251.1217093318.squirrel@www.greens.org>

I'm volunteering.


Green is Core!

Drew


On Fri, July 18, 2008 16:50, WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
> Folks!  Just as a reminder -- Both Santa Clara and San  Mateo County GPs
> revised their bylaws so we could appoint our member and  alternate to the
> GPCA
> Coordinating Committee more democratically from our local  organizations.
> Jim
> Stauffer has been our alternate since (and interim  alternate before) the
> September 2006 South Lake Tahoe Plenary.  Jim has  sent messages that his
> term is
> ending and that replacements are needed, but no  one (as far as I have
> heard)
> has volunteered for either of these  positions.  In the past, we have
> tried to
> have the Regional Rep from one  County and the alternate for the other.
> The CC
> responsibilities are  summarized in the GPCA Bylaws.  They include monthly
> teleconferences,  participation on an email list, and working in at least
> one
> GPCA committee or  working group.  Any volunteers???  Warner
>
>
>
>
>
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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sat Jul 26 10:34:12 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Networking for McKinney/Clemente
Message-ID: <3031.75.19.86.251.1217093652.squirrel@www.greens.org>


Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Midge Potts <potts4congress at yahoo.com>
Subject: [usgp-dx] Networking for McKinney/Clemente
To: Natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org

Whether or not you are into the social networking sites, I hope everyone
is aware that sites such as MySpace and Facebook are heavily used by the X
and Y generations... we need to utilize these sites, and others like them
as much as possible. When we make up fliers and other campaign materials,
besides listing gp.org or official campaign websites, we should also add
the url's for one or more of these social networking sites. Especially
when it comes to college students, they will me much more likely to check
out Cynthia McKinney on Facebook/MySpace than they will go to a
traditional .com campaign website. Also, these social networking sites
enable you to become "friends", and then you can send out post one single
"bulletin" or "note" that all your "friends" can see when they log in to
their user interface. You can also create groups on these sites as well.
?
So, I have compiled the profiles of McKinney/Clemente that I could find
and am listing them in this email below my signature. If you are already a
member of one of the sites, please go and add our candidates as your
friend.
?
Midge Potts
Progressive Party of Missouri
PPMO state-co-chair
Missouri GPNC delegate
?
=================================
?
MYSPACE:
?
Rosa Clemente
http://www.myspace.com/rosaclemente

Cynthia McKinney
http://www.myspace.com/runcynthiarun
?
?
FACEBOOK:
?
Cynthia McKinney
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cynthia-McKinney/6713987105?ref=s
?
Power to the People group
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19016342426
?
YOUTUBE:
?
http://www.youtube.com/runcynthiarun
?
Other networking sites:
?
http://www.eventful.com/cynthiamckinney

http://cynthiamckinney.meetup.com




From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sat Jul 26 11:14:15 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Convention Coverage Compilation,
 McKinney networking and BAR endorsement
Message-ID: <3049.75.19.86.251.1217096055.squirrel@www.greens.org>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Natlcomaffairs Digest, Vol 57, Issue 79
From:    natlcomaffairs-request at green.gpus.org
Date:    Sun, July 20, 2008 15:33
To:      natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Today's Topics:

   1. Networking for McKinney/Clemente (Marnie Glickman)
   2. Columns on the McKinney-Clemente nomination (Black Agenda
      Report; Black Commentator) (Scott McLarty)
   4. compilation of convention coverage (Ann Link)

Message: 4
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:33:12 +0000
From: Ann Link <eastst at hotmail.com>
Subject: [usgp-dx] compilation of convention coverage
To: <natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org>

ABC
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/green-party-tap.html
Green Party Taps McKinney

Atlanta-Journal Constitution
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/07/12/mckinney_green_nomination.html
McKinney wins Green Party nomination
http://www.ajc.com/pbccentral/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2008/07/09/mckinney_green_party.html
McKinney expected to get Green Party nomination this week

CBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07/14/politics/horserace/entry4261275.shtml
McKinney Joins The (Third) Party As Barr, Nader Fight On

Chicago Public Radio (has a nice picture)
http://www.wbez.org/Content.aspx?audioID=26531
McKinney Chosen To Lead Greens
(for complete Chicago Public Radio Coverage go to
http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/ and type ?Green Party? in the search
area for a series of articles)

The Chicago Sun-Times
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1048670,CST-NWS-green10web.article
Green Party to hold convention, nominate presidential candidate

Chicago tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-green-party-chicagojul13,0,869646.story
 McKinney to represent Greens on ballot

CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/12/mckinney.green.party/?iref=mpstoryview
McKinney running for president as Green candidate

Democracy Now
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/14/headlines
Green Party Nominates Cynthia McKinney to be President

Fox
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/12/mckinney-wins-green-party-nomination/
McKinney Wins Green Party Nomination

The Herald News
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/1050706,4_1_JO11_GREEN_S1.article
Two local candidates going Green (Party)

Indypendent
http://www.indypendent.org/2008/07/10/2004-indy-interview-w-rosa-clemente-likely-green-party-vice-presidential-nominee/
2004 Indy Interview w/ Rosa Clemente, Likely Green Party Vice-Presidential
Nominee

The LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-greenparty11-2008jul11,0,1807623.story
Cynthia McKinney outlines Green Party goals

Michigan Daily (University of Michigan)
http://www.michigandaily.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=72360e73-7dac-499e-b5ea-61dafc202e06
The third chair
(see also accompanying blog http://apps.michigandaily.com/blogs/thepodium/)

Ms. Magazine (Feminist Wire News Briefs)
http://www.msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?ID=11140
Cynthia McKinney will be Green Party Presidential Candidate

NBC
http://www.nbc5.com/news/16848228/detail.html
Green Party Holds Convention In Chicago; Party Expected To Nominate
Presidential Candidate

Newsweek
http://www.newsweek.com/id/146263
McKinney Goes Green; Will a third-party candidate be a ?spoiler??

NPR (story starts halfway through)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92499294
Former Rep. McKinney Heads Green Party Ticket

Pacifica (3-hour broadcast)
http://www.audioport.org/audioport_files/nathan at pacifica.org/7621-20080713-GreenConvention_PacificaSpecial_July13_Hour1.mp3
http://www.audioport.org/audioport_files/nathan at pacifica.org/7621-20080713-GreenConvention_PacificaSpecial_July13_Hour2.mp3
http://www.audioport.org/audioport_files/nathan at pacifica.org/7621-20080713-GreenConvention_PacificaSpecial_July13_Hour3.mp3

The Southern
http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/07/11/breaking_news/doc4877d8ff45448999054888.txt
Don't blame me, I voted Whitney," bumper sticker proclaims

UPI
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/12/McKinney_named_Green_Party_candidate/UPI-91001215909285/
McKinney named Green Party candidate

USA Today (headlines)
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/07/looking-ahead-6.html
The U.S. Green Party continues its presidential nominating convention in
Chicago



----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:04:35 -0700
From: Marnie Glickman <marnie at greenchange.com>
Subject: [usgp-dx] Networking for McKinney/Clemente
To: natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org

Hi.  Networking for the campaign also is happening on the Green Change
Network:

http://network.greenchange.org/groups/mckinney08

The Green Change Network is not run by a nasty corporation like
Facebook or MySpace.  We are run by people with Green values.  We are
ad-free and designed to help you organize.

If you have never used a networking site, Green Change is a good place
to start.  We will train you.  Just send me an email and we can set up
a time to start.

Peace,
Marnie Glickman
Executive director
Green Change

www.greenchange.org
503.313.7919 w
707.313.7919 f
skype: marnieglickman

Green Change is a community of people with Green values:  justice,
grassroots democracy, sustainability and non-violence.  We work
together to share Green art, politics and culture.


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:05:26 +0000
From: Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [usgp-dx] Columns on the McKinney-Clemente nomination (Black
	Agenda Report; Black Commentator)
To: <natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org>


McKinney & Clemente: Black, Brown, Green & True (Glen Ford, Black Agenda
Report)

McKinney & Clemente: Black, Brown, Green and True
Presidential Politics 2008 - Green Party

By BAR executive editor Glen Ford
Black Agenda Report, 16 July 2008
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=698&Itemid=1


The Green Party's brand new Cynthia McKinney-Rosa Clemente ticket is off
and running, having captured an overwhelming proportion of delegates at
the national convention, in Chicago. Two Black women, one a Latina, are
challenged to garner five percent of the national vote while transforming
the Greens "into a vehicle for 24-7 movement politics." Former Georgia
congresswoman McKinney vowed, "A vote for the Green Party is a vote for
the movement that will turn this country right-side-up again." Said
Clemente, a Hip Hop political organizer: "I don't see the Green Party as
an alternative. I see it as an imperative."

"The Green Party was against the war when it started, is against the war
now, and is against any military action against Iran that might take place
tomorrow," declared former Georgia congresswoman Cynthia McKinney,
accepting the Green Party's presidential nomination, in Chicago, this
weekend. "The Green Party is a peace party. A Green vote is a peace vote."

McKinney's statement is unequivocally true, a verity beyond question, as
is her own deep commitment to social justice, tested and manifested during
her 12-year sojourn in Congress. The 53-year-old activist and educator,
whose last act as a U.S. Representative was to submit Articles of
Impeachment against George Bush, not only speaks "truth to power" (or, as
she puts it, "truth to empower), but demands that truth be the essential
element of all American political discourse.

There is nothing quaint or convenient about The Truth. In a nation ruled
by the raw power of money, the Lords of Capital market their own versions
of truth designed to make wrongs seem right, and criminality appear
normal. The corporate casting couch supplies political actors to mouth
attractive untruths as required by the imperatives of Capital. Some of
these actors are extremely talented, compounding the dangers they present
to society. At every opportunity, they stomp on truth as if it were vermin
- and for each vanquished truth they are paid a bounty in parceled power
and prestige. U.S. presidents are manufactured in this way.

Truth thus becomes a precious commodity in 21st Century America. At the
Green Party podium, Cynthia McKinney reached back to the year 1851, when
Black abolitionist Sojourner Truth asked a white crowd a rhetorical
question for which only one answer was conceivable: "Ain't I a woman?"
Having focused her audience on a simple truth, Sojourner proceeded to
explicate the burning issues of the day: "Well children, where there is so
much racket, there must be something out of kilter."

Truth is compelling, in any epoch. "In 2008, after two stolen Presidential
elections and eight years of George W. Bush, and at least two years of
Democratic Party complicity, the racket is about war crimes, torture,
crimes against the peace; the racket is about crimes against the
Constitution, crimes against the American people, and crimes against the
global community," said Cynthia McKinney, relating well-known but
relentlessly suppressed truths.  "The racket is even about values that we
thought were long settled as reasonable to pursue, like liberty and
justice, and economic opportunity, for all.  Yes, Sojourner, there's a lot
out of kilter now, but these two women, Rosa and me, joined by all the men
and women in this room, are going to do our best to turn this country
right side up again."

The truth alone cannot set you free, but it will at least tell you what
time it is.

"The only way I can even begin to accept this nomination is that I must
understand that I am just a vessel, a representative of the work of an
entire generation, and the Hip-Hop radical activist movement," said
vice-presidential nominee Rosa Clemente, a South Bronx native of Puerto
Rican parentage. The 36-year-old journalist was a key organizer of the
3,000-strong, 2004 Hip Hop Political Convention, in Newark, New Jersey.
The delegates, all of whom paid their own way, drew up a Hip Hop Political
Agenda that remains eminently compatible with the Green Party and "Power
to the People" platforms under which Clemente and McKinney are currently
campaigning. (A second Hip Hop Political Convention took place in Chicago
in the summer of 2006.)

"I stand on the shoulders of a generation of young people of color that
are united, that clearly understand that we are suffering form structural
racism, institutional racism and capitalism," said Clemente. These are
truths that Barack Obama, the corporate Democrat, would rather end 20-year
friendships than accept. Obama allows the celebration of his candidacy to
serve as a vindication of historical and contemporary racist rule. In
fact, his ascension is fully endorsed (and financed) by the overwhelmingly
white Lords of Capitol.

No recess of reality is safe from corporate sanitization. In this election
cycle, conducted amid overlapping, terminal crises of late-stage
capitalism, the heroes are those who challenge the corporate media's
endlessly looped lies - key elements in the structural supports that keep
the evil edifice from crumbling outright. Heroines like McKinney and
Clemente.

"I don't see the Green Party as an alternative," said Clemente. "I see it
as an imperative."

A True Choice

"We are in this to build a movement," McKinney told her jubilant Chicago
crowd. "A vote for the Green Party is a vote for the movement that will
turn this country right-side-up again."

Had she chosen to do so, McKinney could have remained in the Democratic
Party and attempted to recapture her House seat, outside Atlanta, as she
did in 2004 after a two year absence. But the overarching necessity for
Black America - and therefore, for the entire nation - is the rebirth of a
Black-led mass movement for peace and fundamental social change. Without a
movement, the corporate version of reality triumphs by default - not just
through the two-business-party electoral racket, but in all aspects of
life in which human beings must somehow locate themselves in the real
world.

Much more is at stake than the Green Party's goal of garnering five
percent of the presidential vote, which would make the Greens eligible for
federal election funds next time around. Corporate hegemony is the enemy
of the self-determination of peoples and individuals. It seeks to subdue
every relationship except those of corporate ownership and control, and
capriciously alters the terms of even those shrunken arrangements, at
will. The current multiple crises afflicting humanity are all rooted in
the commodification of the Earth's resources - including human beings.
There is no choice but to resist the crushing grip, at every level of
human activity.

In Black America, which is the vital epicenter of any progressive national
politics, the Obama phenomenon - a species of seductive invading organism
that feeds on centuries of pent-up Black aspirations - has already
dangerously disrupted the African American political consensus on peace,
social justice and the validity of the Black historical narrative, itself
(the Obama-Rev. Wright clash). Obama has caused Blacks to suspend the
disbelief (healthy distrust) that has been at least a partial defense
against white snake oil salesmen over the years. National Black politics
has effectively disintegrated, stripped of all issues other than Obama's
own fortunes. It is as if an entire people were reduced to the property of
one, thoroughly dishonest man - in the service of another Man.

Obama's cynicism, his deliberate ambiguity and outright manipulation of
ALL people - but especially African Americans -  debases the morals of his
desperate followers. In a remarkably short period of time they have come
to accept half-lies as clever, and well-crafted untruths as things to be
admired. To justify Obama's behavior, Blacks accept that all "politicians"
say whatever they must in order to win office, and attach no moral onus to
that, even when it is Blacks who are the ones being lied to and defamed.

Obama has sanctioned - sanctified! - opportunism of the most base kind. He
has brought corporate and anti-Black values into the African American
house, in ways that no combination of previous scoundrels could have
dreamed.

The McKinney-Clemente message is one of struggle, not blind hope and
amorphous change. In the presidential candidate's words:

"Today's reality is harsh.  But what's even harder for many to accept and
admit is that our quality of life today is the making of the Democratic
and Republican Parties.  What our country has become through their public
policy is reflective of their values.  We will never get a United States
that is reflective of different values if we continue to do the same
thing.  Those who delivered us into this mess cannot be trusted to get us
out of it. That's why I signed up to do something I've never done before
so I can have something I've never had before:  My country, made in the
likeness of the values of the Green Party."

That party is now headed by two Black women, one a Latina, who consciously
seek to transform it into a vehicle for 24-7 movement politics PLUS
effective electoral activity. That is the historic opportunity. The
Democrats would have you waste your vote on an actor employed by
corporations.

As Rosa Clemente reminded the Greens in Chicago: "We must remember the
words of the great abolitionist Frederick Douglass: 'I prefer to be true
to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather
than to be false.'"

BAR executive editor Glen Ford can be contacted at
Glen.Ford at BlackAgendaReport.com


*  *  *  *  *


Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente:
Building a Movement for REAL Change

By LARRY PINKNEY
Editorial Board Member
Black Commentator, July 17, 2008, Issue 286
http://www.blackcommentator.com/286/286_kir_mckinney_clemente_movement_change.html


Something magnificent and truly extraordinary happened at the 2008, Green
Party Presidential Convention a few days ago in Chicago, Illinois. Cynthia
McKinney and Rosa Clemente; two dynamic, highly intelligent, experienced,
and politically committed women of color were chosen by the Green Party of
this nation to be its nominees for President and Vice President
respectively, of the United States of America. Former U.S. Congresswoman
Cynthia McKinney who demonstrated the guts and integrity to leave the
politically opportunist and bankrupt Democratic Party has, for quite some
time now been yet again demonstrating her guts and integrity by
crisscrossing this nation and informing people in every nook and cranny
about the ?Power To The People? Campaign. Now Sister McKinney has been
joined by Puerto Rican people?s grass root activist / journalist / and
intellectual hip hop artist Sister Rosa Clemente in this ever growing
campaign and people?s movement and struggle. Indeed, something
 extraordinary has happened and there is yet more to come.

While CNN, ABC, C-SPAN, etc. did give some limited coverage of and to this
incredibly momentous event; none of the pundits of these so-called ?main
stream news? media outlets dared elucidate to the ?American? people the
enormous present-day and historical significance and opportunities of what
just happened in Chicago. None of these pundits dared explain and
emphasize the revolutionary aspect of what had just happened in Chicago:
That the Green Party and the Reconstruction Movement this past weekend, in
selecting Cynthia McKinney as their primary standard bearer, is a stinging
rejection and rebuke of the Democratic and Republican Parties [i.e. the
Republicrats] with their putrid, hypocritical, corporate / military
apparatus-fueled politics of dishonesty, subterfuge, smoke & mirrors, and
unending wars abroad and increasing economic disparity and social misery
at home. The sleeping dragon, consisting of the rank and file, everyday
woman, man, and child in this nation, has final
 ly begun to awaken once again.

The Empire, including its Democratic and Republican Party surrogates, has
been put on notice by politically conscious Black, Brown, Red, Yellow, and
White peoples of this nation of who are sick and tired of being
hoodwinked, manipulated, and politically blood sucked. What happened this
past week end in Chicago is a wake up call to all persons of good will:
Black, White, Brown, Red, and Yellow!

By supporting the candidacies of Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente we are
supporting a people?s movement ? our movement for real, fundamental,
?systemic? change, not mealy-mouth meaningless / feel good rhetoric. We
are self-actualizing our hopes and dreams, not allowing others to pimp and
manipulate us by playing on those hopes and dreams. We are supporting the
very best in ourselves. We are laying the foundation in 21st Century
?America? for a genuine and ongoing people?s movement that says NO to the
corporate / military / prison apparatus of the U.S. Empire at home and
abroad. We are supporting so much more than only candidates for political
office -  we are supporting our commitment to the building of an
uncompromising, unswerving, people?s movement that is unhindered by this
system?s Democratic and Republican [i.e. Republicratic] Party election
time lines and political machine. We are refusing to collaborate with this
Empire?s system of oppression. Rather, we are working
  to dismantle it and build a fundamentally and systemically different
system that addresses human needs, not human greed. We are emphatically
stating that we will not sit back and allow principled, intelligent,
revolutionary / politically progressive, honest, and for-real women to
be by-passed and ignored any longer by this system in ?America.? By
supporting the Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente ?Power To The People?
Campaign we are making it crystal clear that we will intensify the
struggle the dignity and human rights of all people: women, men, and
children - Black, Brown, Red, White, and Yellow - all peoples.

To be sure, the U.S. Empire?s corrupt and biased news media disinformation
machine can be expected to go into high gear in an effort to discredit and
neutralize the McKinney / Clemente ticket and the ?Power To The People?
Campaign. Indeed, these slimy tactics have already begun. However, such
tactics merely confirm the absolute importance of what we are committed to
and what this movement is all about.

For those who may not have seen and heard Cynthia McKinney?s acceptance
speech on C-SPAN at the Green Party Convention this past July 13, 2008; it
is urged that you turn on your computer?s speakers, view her presentation,
and hear her remarks and those of Rosa Clemente on the internet at
C-SPAN.org under the heading Green Party Presidential Convention (July 13,
2008)
(http://cspan.org/search.aspx?For=Green%20Party%20Presidential%20Convent).

The ?Power To The People? Campaign is the only one to boldly and seriously
address not only the issues of militarism, economic disparity, social and
environmental inequities, single payer health care, government malfeasance
and neglect, corporate greed, equal opportunity and education, racism,
reparations, gender parity, and homelessness, etc; but just as
importantly, this campaign is about building an ongoing movement to
fundamentally address the root causes of these pressing concerns. The twin
demons of the Empire, i.e. the Democratic and Republican Parties
[increasingly known as the Republicrats] and their accomplices, are in
opposition to any real systemic change. Thus, every conceivable means will
be utilized to deter this campaign, its ultimate movement, and objectives.

We must get out into our towns, cities, and municipalities of all kinds
with one fundamental objective: Getting and putting the ?Power To The
People? Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente Green Party ticket on the ballot
in high numbers in every viable state of this nation, while simultaneously
building and nurturing this people?s movement. Let us start voting right
now by organizing to support Cynthia and Rosa in the streets, the back
woods, the schools, on the reservations, in the barrios, ghettos, and
every possible nook and cranny and community of this nation. WE ARE NOT
COLLABORATORS AND WE WILL NOT COLLABORATE WITH THE EMPIRE IN OUR OWN
OPPRESSION OR THAT OF OTHERS. Organize, organize, and organize some more!

We are the people and it is WE ourselves who are the essence of, and
motivation for, real change. Let us call out to our sisters and brothers
in Haiti, in Venezuela, in Bolivia, in Cuba, in Palestine, in Myanmar, in
the Congo and throughout the entire world. Let us send them a message of
comradely greetings and let them know that we are reawakening from slumber
here in the belly of the Empire. We have seen their examples and are
emulating them for the mutual betterment of all our peoples.

We must build coalitions that serve the interests of the people. We must
pry open the systemic, strangling, amoral death grip that the Democrats
and Republican Parties [i.e. the Republicrats] have around our proverbial
necks and minds. We must work together with the Reconstruction Movement
which began around the despicable U.S. Government criminality of both the
Republicans and Democratic Parties re hurricane Katrina (and subsequently
hurricane Rita). Being Green is just the beginning. We must keep in mind
that there are also other progressive peoples out there in parties such as
the Peace & Freedom Party, and we must work together with them to the
mutual advantage of the people?s movement. We must remember that ?no one
of us is as smart or as strong as all of us.? We must remember our sister
and brother political prisoners, liberation fighters, and exiles such as
Leonard Peltier, Mumia Abu-Jamal, Reverend Edward Pinkney [no relation],
the San Francisco 8, Assata Shakur and s
 o very, very many more. We must remember why we are waging this struggle.
This is about more than votes. This is about our very survival and that
of Mother Earth - this planet.

This is about saying NO to the Empire and its collaborators, and YES to a
NEW DAY a NEW SOCIETY, a NEW WORLD. This is about struggling to be that
NEW PERSON who self-actualizes and addresses human needs, not human greed,
lies, and hypocrisy.

Viva Cynthia McKinney! Viva Rosa Clememte! Long live ?The Power To The
People? Campaign! Let?s get busy brothers and sisters. ?Each one reach
one?. There is much work to be done!

Onward then?


BlackCommentator.com Editorial Board Member, Larry Pinkney, is a veteran
of the Black Panther Party, the former Minister of Interior of the
Republic of New Africa, a former political prisoner and the only American
to have successfully self-authored his civil/political rights case to the
United Nations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political
Rights. In connection with his political organizing activities in
opposition to voter suppression, etc., Pinkney was interviewed in 1988 on
the nationally televised PBS NewsHour, formerly known as The
MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour. For more about Larry Pinkney see the book, Saying
No to Power: Autobiography of a 20th Century Activist and Thinker, by
William Mandel [Introduction by Howard Zinn].


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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sat Jul 26 11:19:09 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:19:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Convention Coverage Compilation,
 McKinney networking and BAR endorsement
Message-ID: <3054.75.19.86.251.1217096349.squirrel@www.greens.org>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Natlcomaffairs Digest, Vol 57, Issue 79
From:    natlcomaffairs-request at green.gpus.org
Date:    Sun, July 20, 2008 15:33
To:      natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org
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Today's Topics:

   1. Networking for McKinney/Clemente (Marnie Glickman)
   2. Columns on the McKinney-Clemente nomination (Black Agenda
      Report; Black Commentator) (Scott McLarty)
   4. compilation of convention coverage (Ann Link)


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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:33:12 +0000
From: Ann Link <eastst at hotmail.com>
Subject: [usgp-dx] compilation of convention coverage
To: <natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org>


ABC
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/green-party-tap.html
Green Party Taps McKinney

Atlanta-Journal Constitution
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/07/12/mckinney_green_nomination.html
McKinney wins Green Party nomination
http://www.ajc.com/pbccentral/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2008/07/09/mckinney_green_party.html
McKinney expected to get Green Party nomination this week

CBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07/14/politics/horserace/entry4261275.shtml
McKinney Joins The (Third) Party As Barr, Nader Fight On

Chicago Public Radio (has a nice picture)
http://www.wbez.org/Content.aspx?audioID=26531
McKinney Chosen To Lead Greens
(for complete Chicago Public Radio Coverage go to
http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/ and type ?Green Party? in the search
area for a series of articles)

The Chicago Sun-Times
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/1048670,CST-NWS-green10web.article
Green Party to hold convention, nominate presidential candidate

Chicago tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-green-party-chicagojul13,0,869646.story
 McKinney to represent Greens on ballot

CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/12/mckinney.green.party/?iref=mpstoryview
McKinney running for president as Green candidate

Democracy Now
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/14/headlines
Green Party Nominates Cynthia McKinney to be President

Fox
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/12/mckinney-wins-green-party-nomination/
McKinney Wins Green Party Nomination

The Herald News
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/1050706,4_1_JO11_GREEN_S1.article
Two local candidates going Green (Party)

Indypendent
http://www.indypendent.org/2008/07/10/2004-indy-interview-w-rosa-clemente-likely-green-party-vice-presidential-nominee/
2004 Indy Interview w/ Rosa Clemente, Likely Green Party Vice-Presidential
Nominee

The LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-greenparty11-2008jul11,0,1807623.story
Cynthia McKinney outlines Green Party goals

Michigan Daily (University of Michigan)
http://www.michigandaily.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=72360e73-7dac-499e-b5ea-61dafc202e06
The third chair
(see also accompanying blog http://apps.michigandaily.com/blogs/thepodium/)

Ms. Magazine (Feminist Wire News Briefs)
http://www.msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?ID=11140
Cynthia McKinney will be Green Party Presidential Candidate

NBC
http://www.nbc5.com/news/16848228/detail.html
Green Party Holds Convention In Chicago; Party Expected To Nominate
Presidential Candidate

Newsweek
http://www.newsweek.com/id/146263
McKinney Goes Green; Will a third-party candidate be a ?spoiler??

NPR (story starts halfway through)
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92499294
Former Rep. McKinney Heads Green Party Ticket

Pacifica (3-hour broadcast)
http://www.audioport.org/audioport_files/nathan at pacifica.org/7621-20080713-GreenConvention_PacificaSpecial_July13_Hour1.mp3
http://www.audioport.org/audioport_files/nathan at pacifica.org/7621-20080713-GreenConvention_PacificaSpecial_July13_Hour2.mp3
http://www.audioport.org/audioport_files/nathan at pacifica.org/7621-20080713-GreenConvention_PacificaSpecial_July13_Hour3.mp3

The Southern
http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/07/11/breaking_news/doc4877d8ff45448999054888.txt
Don't blame me, I voted Whitney," bumper sticker proclaims

UPI
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/12/McKinney_named_Green_Party_candidate/UPI-91001215909285/
McKinney named Green Party candidate

USA Today (headlines)
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/07/looking-ahead-6.html
The U.S. Green Party continues its presidential nominating convention in
Chicago

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:04:35 -0700
From: Marnie Glickman <marnie at greenchange.com>
Subject: [usgp-dx] Networking for McKinney/Clemente
To: natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org

Hi.  Networking for the campaign also is happening on the Green Change
Network:

http://network.greenchange.org/groups/mckinney08

The Green Change Network is not run by a nasty corporation like
Facebook or MySpace.  We are run by people with Green values.  We are
ad-free and designed to help you organize.

If you have never used a networking site, Green Change is a good place
to start.  We will train you.  Just send me an email and we can set up
a time to start.

Peace,
Marnie Glickman
Executive director
Green Change

www.greenchange.org
503.313.7919 w
707.313.7919 f
skype: marnieglickman

Green Change is a community of people with Green values:  justice,
grassroots democracy, sustainability and non-violence.  We work
together to share Green art, politics and culture.















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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:05:26 +0000
From: Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at hotmail.com>
Subject: [usgp-dx] Columns on the McKinney-Clemente nomination (Black
	Agenda Report; Black Commentator)
To: <natlcomaffairs at green.gpus.org>


McKinney & Clemente: Black, Brown, Green & True (Glen Ford, Black Agenda
Report)

McKinney & Clemente: Black, Brown, Green and True
Presidential Politics 2008 - Green Party

By BAR executive editor Glen Ford
Black Agenda Report, 16 July 2008
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=698&Itemid=1


The Green Party's brand new Cynthia McKinney-Rosa Clemente ticket is off
and running, having captured an overwhelming proportion of delegates at
the national convention, in Chicago. Two Black women, one a Latina, are
challenged to garner five percent of the national vote while transforming
the Greens "into a vehicle for 24-7 movement politics." Former Georgia
congresswoman McKinney vowed, "A vote for the Green Party is a vote for
the movement that will turn this country right-side-up again." Said
Clemente, a Hip Hop political organizer: "I don't see the Green Party as
an alternative. I see it as an imperative."

"The Green Party was against the war when it started, is against the war
now, and is against any military action against Iran that might take place
tomorrow," declared former Georgia congresswoman Cynthia McKinney,
accepting the Green Party's presidential nomination, in Chicago, this
weekend. "The Green Party is a peace party. A Green vote is a peace vote."

McKinney's statement is unequivocally true, a verity beyond question, as
is her own deep commitment to social justice, tested and manifested during
her 12-year sojourn in Congress. The 53-year-old activist and educator,
whose last act as a U.S. Representative was to submit Articles of
Impeachment against George Bush, not only speaks "truth to power" (or, as
she puts it, "truth to empower), but demands that truth be the essential
element of all American political discourse.

There is nothing quaint or convenient about The Truth. In a nation ruled
by the raw power of money, the Lords of Capital market their own versions
of truth designed to make wrongs seem right, and criminality appear
normal. The corporate casting couch supplies political actors to mouth
attractive untruths as required by the imperatives of Capital. Some of
these actors are extremely talented, compounding the dangers they present
to society. At every opportunity, they stomp on truth as if it were vermin
- and for each vanquished truth they are paid a bounty in parceled power
and prestige. U.S. presidents are manufactured in this way.

Truth thus becomes a precious commodity in 21st Century America. At the
Green Party podium, Cynthia McKinney reached back to the year 1851, when
Black abolitionist Sojourner Truth asked a white crowd a rhetorical
question for which only one answer was conceivable: "Ain't I a woman?"
Having focused her audience on a simple truth, Sojourner proceeded to
explicate the burning issues of the day: "Well children, where there is so
much racket, there must be something out of kilter."

Truth is compelling, in any epoch. "In 2008, after two stolen Presidential
elections and eight years of George W. Bush, and at least two years of
Democratic Party complicity, the racket is about war crimes, torture,
crimes against the peace; the racket is about crimes against the
Constitution, crimes against the American people, and crimes against the
global community," said Cynthia McKinney, relating well-known but
relentlessly suppressed truths.  "The racket is even about values that we
thought were long settled as reasonable to pursue, like liberty and
justice, and economic opportunity, for all.  Yes, Sojourner, there's a lot
out of kilter now, but these two women, Rosa and me, joined by all the men
and women in this room, are going to do our best to turn this country
right side up again."

The truth alone cannot set you free, but it will at least tell you what
time it is.

"The only way I can even begin to accept this nomination is that I must
understand that I am just a vessel, a representative of the work of an
entire generation, and the Hip-Hop radical activist movement," said
vice-presidential nominee Rosa Clemente, a South Bronx native of Puerto
Rican parentage. The 36-year-old journalist was a key organizer of the
3,000-strong, 2004 Hip Hop Political Convention, in Newark, New Jersey.
The delegates, all of whom paid their own way, drew up a Hip Hop Political
Agenda that remains eminently compatible with the Green Party and "Power
to the People" platforms under which Clemente and McKinney are currently
campaigning. (A second Hip Hop Political Convention took place in Chicago
in the summer of 2006.)

"I stand on the shoulders of a generation of young people of color that
are united, that clearly understand that we are suffering form structural
racism, institutional racism and capitalism," said Clemente. These are
truths that Barack Obama, the corporate Democrat, would rather end 20-year
friendships than accept. Obama allows the celebration of his candidacy to
serve as a vindication of historical and contemporary racist rule. In
fact, his ascension is fully endorsed (and financed) by the overwhelmingly
white Lords of Capitol.

No recess of reality is safe from corporate sanitization. In this election
cycle, conducted amid overlapping, terminal crises of late-stage
capitalism, the heroes are those who challenge the corporate media's
endlessly looped lies - key elements in the structural supports that keep
the evil edifice from crumbling outright. Heroines like McKinney and
Clemente.

"I don't see the Green Party as an alternative," said Clemente. "I see it
as an imperative."

A True Choice

"We are in this to build a movement," McKinney told her jubilant Chicago
crowd. "A vote for the Green Party is a vote for the movement that will
turn this country right-side-up again."

Had she chosen to do so, McKinney could have remained in the Democratic
Party and attempted to recapture her House seat, outside Atlanta, as she
did in 2004 after a two year absence. But the overarching necessity for
Black America - and therefore, for the entire nation - is the rebirth of a
Black-led mass movement for peace and fundamental social change. Without a
movement, the corporate version of reality triumphs by default - not just
through the two-business-party electoral racket, but in all aspects of
life in which human beings must somehow locate themselves in the real
world.

Much more is at stake than the Green Party's goal of garnering five
percent of the presidential vote, which would make the Greens eligible for
federal election funds next time around. Corporate hegemony is the enemy
of the self-determination of peoples and individuals. It seeks to subdue
every relationship except those of corporate ownership and control, and
capriciously alters the terms of even those shrunken arrangements, at
will. The current multiple crises afflicting humanity are all rooted in
the commodification of the Earth's resources - including human beings.
There is no choice but to resist the crushing grip, at every level of
human activity.

In Black America, which is the vital epicenter of any progressive national
politics, the Obama phenomenon - a species of seductive invading organism
that feeds on centuries of pent-up Black aspirations - has already
dangerously disrupted the African American political consensus on peace,
social justice and the validity of the Black historical narrative, itself
(the Obama-Rev. Wright clash). Obama has caused Blacks to suspend the
disbelief (healthy distrust) that has been at least a partial defense
against white snake oil salesmen over the years. National Black politics
has effectively disintegrated, stripped of all issues other than Obama's
own fortunes. It is as if an entire people were reduced to the property of
one, thoroughly dishonest man - in the service of another Man.

Obama's cynicism, his deliberate ambiguity and outright manipulation of
ALL people - but especially African Americans -  debases the morals of his
desperate followers. In a remarkably short period of time they have come
to accept half-lies as clever, and well-crafted untruths as things to be
admired. To justify Obama's behavior, Blacks accept that all "politicians"
say whatever they must in order to win office, and attach no moral onus to
that, even when it is Blacks who are the ones being lied to and defamed.

Obama has sanctioned - sanctified! - opportunism of the most base kind. He
has brought corporate and anti-Black values into the African American
house, in ways that no combination of previous scoundrels could have
dreamed.

The McKinney-Clemente message is one of struggle, not blind hope and
amorphous change. In the presidential candidate's words:

"Today's reality is harsh.  But what's even harder for many to accept and
admit is that our quality of life today is the making of the Democratic
and Republican Parties.  What our country has become through their public
policy is reflective of their values.  We will never get a United States
that is reflective of different values if we continue to do the same
thing.  Those who delivered us into this mess cannot be trusted to get us
out of it. That's why I signed up to do something I've never done before
so I can have something I've never had before:  My country, made in the
likeness of the values of the Green Party."

That party is now headed by two Black women, one a Latina, who consciously
seek to transform it into a vehicle for 24-7 movement politics PLUS
effective electoral activity. That is the historic opportunity. The
Democrats would have you waste your vote on an actor employed by
corporations.

As Rosa Clemente reminded the Greens in Chicago: "We must remember the
words of the great abolitionist Frederick Douglass: 'I prefer to be true
to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather
than to be false.'"

BAR executive editor Glen Ford can be contacted at
Glen.Ford at BlackAgendaReport.com


*  *  *  *  *


Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente:
Building a Movement for REAL Change

By LARRY PINKNEY
Editorial Board Member
Black Commentator, July 17, 2008, Issue 286
http://www.blackcommentator.com/286/286_kir_mckinney_clemente_movement_change.html


Something magnificent and truly extraordinary happened at the 2008, Green
Party Presidential Convention a few days ago in Chicago, Illinois. Cynthia
McKinney and Rosa Clemente; two dynamic, highly intelligent, experienced,
and politically committed women of color were chosen by the Green Party of
this nation to be its nominees for President and Vice President
respectively, of the United States of America. Former U.S. Congresswoman
Cynthia McKinney who demonstrated the guts and integrity to leave the
politically opportunist and bankrupt Democratic Party has, for quite some
time now been yet again demonstrating her guts and integrity by
crisscrossing this nation and informing people in every nook and cranny
about the ?Power To The People? Campaign. Now Sister McKinney has been
joined by Puerto Rican people?s grass root activist / journalist / and
intellectual hip hop artist Sister Rosa Clemente in this ever growing
campaign and people?s movement and struggle. Indeed, something
 extraordinary has happened and there is yet more to come.

While CNN, ABC, C-SPAN, etc. did give some limited coverage of and to this
incredibly momentous event; none of the pundits of these so-called ?main
stream news? media outlets dared elucidate to the ?American? people the
enormous present-day and historical significance and opportunities of what
just happened in Chicago. None of these pundits dared explain and
emphasize the revolutionary aspect of what had just happened in Chicago:
That the Green Party and the Reconstruction Movement this past weekend, in
selecting Cynthia McKinney as their primary standard bearer, is a stinging
rejection and rebuke of the Democratic and Republican Parties [i.e. the
Republicrats] with their putrid, hypocritical, corporate / military
apparatus-fueled politics of dishonesty, subterfuge, smoke & mirrors, and
unending wars abroad and increasing economic disparity and social misery
at home. The sleeping dragon, consisting of the rank and file, everyday
woman, man, and child in this nation, has final
 ly begun to awaken once again.

The Empire, including its Democratic and Republican Party surrogates, has
been put on notice by politically conscious Black, Brown, Red, Yellow, and
White peoples of this nation of who are sick and tired of being
hoodwinked, manipulated, and politically blood sucked. What happened this
past week end in Chicago is a wake up call to all persons of good will:
Black, White, Brown, Red, and Yellow!

By supporting the candidacies of Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente we are
supporting a people?s movement ? our movement for real, fundamental,
?systemic? change, not mealy-mouth meaningless / feel good rhetoric. We
are self-actualizing our hopes and dreams, not allowing others to pimp and
manipulate us by playing on those hopes and dreams. We are supporting the
very best in ourselves. We are laying the foundation in 21st Century
?America? for a genuine and ongoing people?s movement that says NO to the
corporate / military / prison apparatus of the U.S. Empire at home and
abroad. We are supporting so much more than only candidates for political
office -  we are supporting our commitment to the building of an
uncompromising, unswerving, people?s movement that is unhindered by this
system?s Democratic and Republican [i.e. Republicratic] Party election
time lines and political machine. We are refusing to collaborate with this
Empire?s system of oppression. Rather, we are working
  to dismantle it and build a fundamentally and systemically different
system that addresses human needs, not human greed. We are emphatically
stating that we will not sit back and allow principled, intelligent,
revolutionary / politically progressive, honest, and for-real women to
be by-passed and ignored any longer by this system in ?America.? By
supporting the Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente ?Power To The People?
Campaign we are making it crystal clear that we will intensify the
struggle the dignity and human rights of all people: women, men, and
children - Black, Brown, Red, White, and Yellow - all peoples.

To be sure, the U.S. Empire?s corrupt and biased news media disinformation
machine can be expected to go into high gear in an effort to discredit and
neutralize the McKinney / Clemente ticket and the ?Power To The People?
Campaign. Indeed, these slimy tactics have already begun. However, such
tactics merely confirm the absolute importance of what we are committed to
and what this movement is all about.

For those who may not have seen and heard Cynthia McKinney?s acceptance
speech on C-SPAN at the Green Party Convention this past July 13, 2008; it
is urged that you turn on your computer?s speakers, view her presentation,
and hear her remarks and those of Rosa Clemente on the internet at
C-SPAN.org under the heading Green Party Presidential Convention (July 13,
2008)
(http://cspan.org/search.aspx?For=Green%20Party%20Presidential%20Convent).

The ?Power To The People? Campaign is the only one to boldly and seriously
address not only the issues of militarism, economic disparity, social and
environmental inequities, single payer health care, government malfeasance
and neglect, corporate greed, equal opportunity and education, racism,
reparations, gender parity, and homelessness, etc; but just as
importantly, this campaign is about building an ongoing movement to
fundamentally address the root causes of these pressing concerns. The twin
demons of the Empire, i.e. the Democratic and Republican Parties
[increasingly known as the Republicrats] and their accomplices, are in
opposition to any real systemic change. Thus, every conceivable means will
be utilized to deter this campaign, its ultimate movement, and objectives.

We must get out into our towns, cities, and municipalities of all kinds
with one fundamental objective: Getting and putting the ?Power To The
People? Cynthia McKinney / Rosa Clemente Green Party ticket on the ballot
in high numbers in every viable state of this nation, while simultaneously
building and nurturing this people?s movement. Let us start voting right
now by organizing to support Cynthia and Rosa in the streets, the back
woods, the schools, on the reservations, in the barrios, ghettos, and
every possible nook and cranny and community of this nation. WE ARE NOT
COLLABORATORS AND WE WILL NOT COLLABORATE WITH THE EMPIRE IN OUR OWN
OPPRESSION OR THAT OF OTHERS. Organize, organize, and organize some more!

We are the people and it is WE ourselves who are the essence of, and
motivation for, real change. Let us call out to our sisters and brothers
in Haiti, in Venezuela, in Bolivia, in Cuba, in Palestine, in Myanmar, in
the Congo and throughout the entire world. Let us send them a message of
comradely greetings and let them know that we are reawakening from slumber
here in the belly of the Empire. We have seen their examples and are
emulating them for the mutual betterment of all our peoples.

We must build coalitions that serve the interests of the people. We must
pry open the systemic, strangling, amoral death grip that the Democrats
and Republican Parties [i.e. the Republicrats] have around our proverbial
necks and minds. We must work together with the Reconstruction Movement
which began around the despicable U.S. Government criminality of both the
Republicans and Democratic Parties re hurricane Katrina (and subsequently
hurricane Rita). Being Green is just the beginning. We must keep in mind
that there are also other progressive peoples out there in parties such as
the Peace & Freedom Party, and we must work together with them to the
mutual advantage of the people?s movement. We must remember that ?no one
of us is as smart or as strong as all of us.? We must remember our sister
and brother political prisoners, liberation fighters, and exiles such as
Leonard Peltier, Mumia Abu-Jamal, Reverend Edward Pinkney [no relation],
the San Francisco 8, Assata Shakur and s
 o very, very many more. We must remember why we are waging this struggle.
This is about more than votes. This is about our very survival and that
of Mother Earth - this planet.

This is about saying NO to the Empire and its collaborators, and YES to a
NEW DAY a NEW SOCIETY, a NEW WORLD. This is about struggling to be that
NEW PERSON who self-actualizes and addresses human needs, not human greed,
lies, and hypocrisy.

Viva Cynthia McKinney! Viva Rosa Clememte! Long live ?The Power To The
People? Campaign! Let?s get busy brothers and sisters. ?Each one reach
one?. There is much work to be done!

Onward then?


BlackCommentator.com Editorial Board Member, Larry Pinkney, is a veteran
of the Black Panther Party, the former Minister of Interior of the
Republic of New Africa, a former political prisoner and the only American
to have successfully self-authored his civil/political rights case to the
United Nations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political
Rights. In connection with his political organizing activities in
opposition to voter suppression, etc., Pinkney was interviewed in 1988 on
the nationally televised PBS NewsHour, formerly known as The
MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour. For more about Larry Pinkney see the book, Saying
No to Power: Autobiography of a 20th Century Activist and Thinker, by
William Mandel [Introduction by Howard Zinn].

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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sat Jul 26 13:30:06 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:30:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's Counter Factual Claims vs the
 Reality of the SC-SM List and His Unacceptable Behavior.
Message-ID: <3193.75.19.86.251.1217104206.squirrel@www.greens.org>

To review: Earlier this month Jim Stauffer without County Council
consultation or authorization, arbitrarily, tyrannously forcibly removed
my e-mail address from the Regional E-mail List.

Jim Stauffer struck just as soon as he thought he could get away with it
(ie. as soon as I was an Emeritus Councilor).  He had previously
sereptitiously removed a second account of mine JamBoi at yahoo.com (again
entirely without my permission) so its not much of a stretch to guess that
he planned this illicit strike with malice of forethought.

Jim Doyle (without ever asking me for my point of view on this subject)
posted a note which read exactly like Jim Stauffer's 'talking points'
regarding his skewed perspective on this discussion list

Note also that the only people to plead on this list for me not to press
home the point with Stauffer are not even from this county (and therefore
in my strongly held opinion should not even be allowed to post on our
county party's list), Curt Wechsler and

The archive is open for anyone to examine and verify these facts.
See:
http://lists.sonic.net/pipermail/sc-sm/

Currently the list info says (although I'm not certain if Jim hasn't
recently changed it to narrow the statement)
"This list is to facilitate communications between SC and SM counties on
regional issues."

I painstakingly went through the archive and assembled a list of the
posting titles by month so people can determine for themselves what the
facts are.

Its quite evident to the observer of this material that Jim never objected
on this list to what he now tries to claim are off-topic posts (his
pathetic excuse for removing me from the list) when his cohort and the
Alpha of the Anti-Mike Feinstein Faction, Jo Chamberlain posted very
similar posts.   Nor did Jim ever post any objections when similar
supposedly 'off-topic' posts were made by Sanda Everette, Andrea Dorey, or
any other person. Just me.

Nor were the number of posts ever objected to when they were made by Jo
Chamberlain or others.  So much for his other pathetic excuse.

There is also no evidence here that he's ever removed anyone else from the
list. No objective observer could conclude anything other than Jim
Stauffer has an axe to grind against me and has carried it out by
(temporarily I assure all) removing me from the list.

Let's take special note of the extremely salient fact that his attempts to
intimidate me via off list e-mail "warnings" took place WHILE I WAS ON THE
COUNCIL AND THEREFORE HE WOULD LOGICALLY BE THE ONE SUBJECTED TO THE
AUTHORITY OF THE COUNCIL AND OUT POSTING POLICY ON OUR OWN LIST AND NOT
THE OTHER WAY AROUND.  IF HE WAS SERVING THE TWO COUNTY COUNCILS AS
ALTERNATE REGIONAL REP AND E-MAIL LIST MANAGER THEN WHY IS IT THAT HE
CONTINUOUSLY ATTEMPTS TO INTIMIDATE COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS.  NOT JUST ME,
BUT NOW CAROLINE YACOUBS AS WELL.

Others who have had to deal with the angry, tempestuous apparently
untreated rageaholic Jim Stauffer have written me off list calling his
behavior "toxic" and saying that "My observation is that he is utterly
toxic to everything he touches.  Only complete isolation will offer any
hope that he will find the motivation necessary to seek the anger
management counseling he needs."  Anyone who has experienced his
outrageous temper tantrum outbursts or his attempts to rush us through our
business at our county General Meetings and in particular his prejudiced
rants against Tian and Carol Brouillet in particular could agree with this
assessment.

He has misused his position on the Coordinating Committee to pursue a
blind Factional Fanaticism towards Mike Feinstein.  While Feinstein's and
his Factional Fanatic's behavior has certainly been equally grievous, Jim
Stauffer is our responsibility as he represents us on the GPCA
Coordinating Committee and between the two factions they've brought the
GPCA to its knees.  This sectarian brawl must end and we must act within
our own purview to remove those that are perpetuating this brawl.

Jim Stauffer and Jo Chamberlain actually used this very regional list to
pursue their Anti-Mike Feinstein sectarian agenda and spread their
propaganda.  All the postings that have the label "Green Idea Pac" regard
a Political Action Committee formed with the express purpose of finding a
way to purge the opposing Mike Fienstein faction from all state County
Councils.  They actually provided money and resources to further this
agenda.  Disgusting!  The Green Party is not a plaything for the rich and
powerful (like Peter Camejo, Jo Chamberlain or Mike Feinstein) to have
their way with.  It is the people's party and its all about Grassroots
Democracy and Decentralization, not pulling the marionette's strings from
afar.

In a phrase Jim Stauffer currently and for long in the past behaves what
I'll unabashedly label an "apparently untreated rageahaolic abusive
controlling bully".

Always in the past I tried to see past his outrageous behavior and receive
the virtues of his long experience and hard work for the party.  Problem
is while we've collectively tolerated his intolerable behavior many people
(especially women) have been driven from our party, particularly from the
Santa Clara co. Green Party.  I have heard from many people who do not
wish to be mistreated further that his behavior is the reason they do not
continue to participate in the party.  I refuse to remain silent any
longer.

Jim once said to me that if one was going to participate in politics, one
would have to learn to deal with the tough nature of politics.  That
appears to be his blanket excuse for abusing fellow Greens. Well there's
acting tough and then there's abuse.  Jim's abusive behavior is not
conducive of any recognizable Green party and will only continue to drive
good Greens away from the party if we do not challenge it and call for Jim
to get the help he needs in order to behave in a civilized and Green
manner within the party.  After he gets help and reforms his behavior then
I'd welcome him back to be a key member of our party.  Until then I
believe we must firmly reject any application he makes to represent or
lead our party including turning him out of the Regional Representative
position ASAP.


Green is Accountable!

Drew
County Councilor Emeritus, Green National Committee Member (among many
other Green Party posts served)

Items of note re: archives:  The first 50+ message month occurred long
before I ever joined.  Note as you read through the message titles (and
remember you can go to the archives to read the messages themselves) the
many supposedly 'off topic' postings by others long before I ever joined
the list.

Archives:
http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm

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August 2005   Messages: 4
September 2005  Messages: 0
October 2005  Messages: 1
November 2005  Messages: 6
December 2005  Messages: 1
January 2006  Messages: 30
February 2006  Messages: 28
April 2006  Messages: 19
May 2006  Messages: 20
June 2006  Messages: 54
July 2006  Messages: 7
August 2006  Messages: 10
September 2006  Messages: 13
October 2006  Messages: 23
November 2006  Messages: 15
December 2006  Messages: 9
January 2007  Messages: 8
February 2007  Messages: 7
March 2007  Messages: 6
April 2007  Messages: 27
May 2007  Messages: 11
June 2007  Messages: 23
July 2007  Messages: 7
August 2007 Messages: 3
September 2007  Messages: 1
October 2007  Messages: 11
November 2007 Messages: 50
December 2007 Messages: 20
January 2008  Messages: 2
February 2008  Messages: 11
March 2008  Messages: 2
April 2008  Messages: 9
May 2008  Messages: 30
June 2008  Messages: 19
July 2008  Messages: 7
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August 2005 Archives by thread
Messages: 4

    * [SC-SM] test   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] test   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] regional list   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Regional List   Jim Stauffer

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September 2005  NO MESSAGES
Messages: 0
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October 2005 Archives by thread
Messages: 1

    * [SC-SM] Invite: GPSMC Event w/Peter Camejo ++   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Mon Oct 31 09:10:23 PDT 2005
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November 2005 Archives by thread
Messages: 6

    * [SC-SM] Nov 9th Green Talk - Don't Miss It   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Nov 9th Green Talk - Don't Miss It   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] Invite: GPSMC Event w/Peter Camejo ++   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] Nov 9th Green Talk "Tonight" - Don't Miss It   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Regional Rep Selection; Previous Draft Bylaw Proposal  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Tomorrow Night: GPSMC Event w/Peter Camejo ++   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Mon Nov 14 16:34:22 PDT 2005
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December 2005 Archives by thread
Messages: 1

    * [SC-SM] Green women   Sanda Everette

Archived on: Fri Dec 9 17:13:40 PDT 2005
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January 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 30

    * [SC-SM] Fwd: full time political job for environmental initiative  
Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] elist communication request   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] elist communication request   Gerry Gras
    * [SC-SM] Testing the list   Gerry Gras
          o [SC-SM] Testing the list   Don Havis
          o [SC-SM] [Sclara-cc] Testing the list--use ONE email address?  
Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] Testing the list   greenjellyfish at redjellyfish.net
          o [SC-SM] Testing the list   Gerry Gras
                + [SC-SM] Testing the list   Jo Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] Testing the list   Gerry Gras
                      # [SC-SM] Testing the list   Jo Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] Testing the list   James Shannon
                      # [SC-SM] Testing the list   Gerry Gras
                      # [SC-SM] Testing the list   Jim Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] SC-SM Elist Current Participants   Jo
Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] SC-SM Elist Current Participants   Gerry Gras
                      # [SC-SM] SC-SM Elist Current Participants   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Testing the list   greenjellyfish at redjellyfish.net
          o [SC-SM] Testing the list   Gerry Gras
                + [SC-SM] Testing the list   Margaret Pye
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] To all CC members: Question about Bylaws Com
appointments   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] My Participation on This List (from Warner)   WSB3ATTYCA at
aol.com
          o [SC-SM] My Participation on This List (from Warner)   Sanda
Everette
          o [SC-SM] My Participation on This List (from Warner)   Jim
Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] My Participation on This List (from Warner)  
Sanda Everette
                + [SC-SM] My Participation on This List (from Warner)   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Information About Minimum Wage Initiative Campaign; Possible
Event Date Feb 11th   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] First Gen. Assembly of 2006 is now in May  
Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] First Gen. Assembly of 2006 is now in May  
Mjsmith55 at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Fwd Msg: Reminder to Treasurers re end of year statement due
  WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com

Archived on: Mon Jan 23 20:35:42 PDT 2006
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February 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 11

    * [SC-SM] Has Each GP County Endorsed The March 18th Peace Rally In
Palo Alto?   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Has Each GP County Endorsed The March 18th Peace Rally
In Palo Alto?   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Has Each GP County Endorsed The March 18th Peace Rally
In Palo Alto?   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CCWG] Draft Revised Proposal re Write-In Votes
Threshold -- For Questions and Concerns   James Shannon
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CCWG] Draft Revised Proposal re Write-In
Votes Threshold   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CCWG] Draft Revised Proposal re Write-In Votes
Threshold -- For Questions and Concerns   James Shannon
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CCWG] Draft Revised Proposal re Write-In
VotesThreshold -- For Questions and Concerns   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CCWG] Comments re Mike Feinstein Draft for
Endorsement Procedures   James Shannon
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CCWG] Comments re Michael Feinstein Proposals for
CCWG Candidate Support Commitee   James Shannon
    * [SC-SM] Pat   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] Pat   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Mon Feb 20 14:52:34 PDT 2006
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March 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 28

    * [SC-SM] Election of our Regional rep to the state Coordinating
Council   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Election of our Regional rep to the state Coordinating
Council   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Election of our Regional rep to the state Coordinating
Council   Sanda Everette
                + [SC-SM] Election of our Regional rep to the state
Coordinating Council   Gerry Gras
                      # [SC-SM] Election of our Regional rep to the
stateCoordinating Council   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] Election of our Regional rep to the state
CoordinatingCouncil   Pat Gray
                + [SC-SM] Election of our Regional rep to the state
CoordinatingCouncil   Gerry Gras
    * [SC-SM] Invite: CCRA EVENT ON MARCH 26TH   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] PLAN - Santa Clara County Initiative   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] PLAN - Santa Clara County Initiative   Jim Doyle
                + [SC-SM] PLAN - Santa Clara County Initiative   Gerry Gras
          o [SC-SM] PLAN - Santa Clara County Initiative   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate?   Pat
Gray
    * [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate?  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate? 
 Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate? 
 Pat Gray
                + [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and
alternate?   Gerry Gras
                      # [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and
alternate?   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate?  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate? 
 Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] [Fwd: [Fwd: [Sosfbay-discuss] Regional Rep Election]]  
Gerry Gras
    * [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate?  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate? 
 Pat Gray
                + [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and
alternate?   Andrea Dorey
                      # [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and
alternate?   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate?  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting to elect Regional Rep and alternate? 
 Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Open Letter from Peter Camejo to the GPCA CC   Mjsmith55 at
aol.com

Archived on: Wed Mar 29 09:53:40 PDT 2006
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April 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 19

    * [SC-SM] [Fwd: [Fwd: [Sosfbay-discuss] Regional Rep Election]]  
Andrea Dorey
          o [SC-SM] [Fwd: [Fwd: [Sosfbay-discuss] Regional Rep Election]] 
 Pat Gray
                + [SC-SM] [Fwd: [Fwd: [Sosfbay-discuss] Regional Rep
Election]]   Andrea Dorey
                      # [SC-SM] [Fwd: [Fwd: [Sosfbay-discuss] Regional Rep
Election]]   Pat Gray
                      # [SC-SM] Regional Meeting   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] [Fwd: [Fwd: [Sosfbay-discuss] Regional Rep Election]]  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Regional Meeting Request?   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] [Fwd: [Fwd: [Sosfbay-discuss] Regional Rep Election]] 
 Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Regional Meeting Request?   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Regional Meeting Request?   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Regional Meeting Request?   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] [Fwd: [Fwd: [Sosfbay-discuss] Regional Rep Election]]  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Regional Meeting Request?   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Regional Meeting Request?   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] Regional Meeting Request?   Jim Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] Regional Meeting Request?   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] Regional Meeting Request?   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] APRIL GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE MEETIN1   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: NEWS ADVISORY: May 1 immigrant rights march in San
Francisco could be largest ever   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Thu Apr 13 15:49:55 PDT 2006

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May 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 20

    * [SC-SM] regional meeting?   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting?   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] regional meeting?   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] regional meeting?   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting?   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Regional meeting   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] FW: possible Senate candidates forum   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] regional meeting   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting   Gerry Gras
                + [SC-SM] regional meeting   Pat Gray
                      # [SC-SM] regional meeting   Andrea Dorey
                      # [SC-SM] regional meeting   Jim Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] regional meeting   Pat Gray
                      # [SC-SM] regional meeting   Jim Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] regional meeting   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] regional meeting   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] regional meeting   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] June 10th   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Silicon Valley Regional Meeting - Saturday June 10th   Pat Gray

Archived on: Wed May 31 10:52:30 PDT 2006
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June 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 54

    * [SC-SM] directions to Regional Meeting location   Jean Comfort
    * [SC-SM] Silicon Valley Regional meeting Saturday June 10th   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS: Special Expenditure --
Clearinghouse   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS: Special Expenditure --
Clearinghouse   Gerry Gras
                + [SC-SM] VOTE RESULTS: Special Expenditure --
Clearinghouse   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS: Special Expenditure
--Clearinghouse   Jim Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS:
Special Expenditure-- Clearinghouse   Pat Gray
                      # [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS:
SpecialExpenditure-- Clearinghouse   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Your message to Sclara-cc awaits moderator approval  
Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: Your message to Sclara-cc awaits moderator
approval   Gerry Gras
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Your message to Sclara-cc awaits moderator approval  
Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] [Fwd: Re: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS: Special Expenditure --
Clearinghouse]   Gerry Gras
          o [SC-SM] VOTE RESULTS: Special Expenditure -- Clearinghouse]  
Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] [Sclara-cc] VOTE RESULTS: Special Expenditure --
Clearinghouse   TNHarter at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS: Special Expenditure --
Clearinghouse   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS: Special Expenditure
--Clearinghouse   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] [Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE -- Specific
Expenditure -- Clearinghouse Materials]   Gerry Gras
    * [SC-SM] CC Proposal #4   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] LA Account   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS:
SpecialExpenditure-- C...   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Clarification Regarding Bylaws   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] Clarification Regarding Bylaws   Jim Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] Regional Green Registration   Jo Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] Regional Green Registration   James Shannon
                      # [SC-SM] Clarification Regarding Bylaws   Jo
Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] Clarification Regarding Bylaws   Jim Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] Clarification Regarding Bylaws   Cameron
L. Spitzer
                      # [SC-SM] Clarification Regarding Bylaws   Jo
Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] Clarification Regarding Bylaws   Jo
Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] [Sclara-cc] [gpsmc-admin] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS:
SpecialExpenditure-- C...   Dana St. George
          o [SC-SM] Open Discussion Was: VOTE RESULTS....   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Your message to Sclara-cc awaits moderator approval  
Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Notes from Regional Meeting   Mjsmith55 at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Eric's GPSCC Bylaw Proposal July 1, 2003 (revised earlier
proposals)   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Eric's GPSCC Bylaw Proposal July 1, 2003 (revised
earlier proposals)   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] Letter from Bill Pietz to GPLAC council   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] Letter from Bill Pietz to GPLAC council  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] Re: PROPOSAL for executive session re: LA
filing   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] Re: PROPOSAL for executive session re: LA
filing   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 48-Hour Vote -- Extension of
Impeachment Resolu...   Mjsmith55 at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 48-Hour Vote --
Extension of Impeachment Resolu...   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 48-Hour Vote --
Extension of Impeachment Resolu...   Andrea Dorey
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 48-Hour Vote --
Extension ofImpeachment Resolu...   Jim Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 48-Hour Vote --
Extension ofImpeachment Resolu...   Jo Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 48-Hour Vote
-- Extension ofImpeachment Resolu...   Pat Gray
                      # [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 48-Hour Vote
-- ExtensionofImpeachment Resolu...   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 48-Hour Vote -- Extension of
Impeac...   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Platform Summaries   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] Platform Summaries   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] Platform Summaries   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS: Extension of Impeachment
Resolution Poll   Mjsmith55 at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS: Extension of
ImpeachmentResolution Poll   Don Havis
    * [SC-SM] Regional + 1 Picnic Date?   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] San Benito's Registered Voters   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Thu Jun 29 14:43:12 PDT 2006
___

July 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 7

    * [SC-SM] Regional Picnic Scheduled For Sunday August 13th  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Regional Picnic Scheduled For Sunday August 13th   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Platforms   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Green Tribute - July 18th   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [gpsmc-d] San Mateo County Fair!!! Who can't help with
the Green Party booth?   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Your CO2 Production   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Regional Picnic   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Fri Jul 21 14:05:27 PDT 2006
___

August 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 10

    * [SC-SM] Regional Picnic   Sanda Everette
    * [SC-SM] Regional Picnic/Info re County Parks Page   WSB3ATTYCA at
aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Regional Picnic/Info re County Parks Page   Sanda
Everette
    * [SC-SM] Regional Picnic   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Re: [Agenda] Clarifying Question Re: Agenda   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Regional Picnic/Parking Fees $6   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] GPCA-CC Tonight's call   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Regrets and Apology   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Regrets and Apology   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] Regrets and Apology   greenjellyfish at redjellyfish.net

Archived on: Tue Aug 15 17:20:35 PDT 2006
___

September 2006 Archives by thread

Starting: Thu Sep 14 10:31:58 PDT 2006
Ending: Fri Sep 22 14:52:29 PDT 2006
Messages: 13

    * [SC-SM] Invite: GPSMC Administration Meeting, Sunday   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] GPCA-CC On-Line Vote   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] Statement of Candidacy for GPCA CC
Co-Coordinator   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] Candidate Statement for GPCA-CC - Bruce
Wolfe, SF Regional Representative   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] Statement of intent   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] my Co-co candidate statement is coming   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] Statement of Candidacy to Serve as CC Co-Co  
Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] GPCA-CC CoCo Election A Problem   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] GPCA-CC CoCo Election A Problem   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] GPCA-CC CoCo Election A Problem   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] GPCA-CC CoCo Election A Problem   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] GPCA-CC CoCo Election A Problem   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] GPCA-CC CoCo Election A Problem   James Shannon

Archived on: Fri Sep 22 14:52:38 PDT 2006
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October 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 23

    * [SC-SM] GPLAC RR History from Joe Crompton   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] GPLAC Chronology by Donna Jo Warren   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] AGENDA: CC TELECONFERENCE: Monday, 10/02/06  
Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] AGENDA: CC TELECONFERENCE: Monday, 10/02/06  
Jim Shannon
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] AGENDA: CC TELECONFERENCE: Monday,
10/02/06   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] Meeting minutes Oct. 2, 2006   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] HEADS UP: 5-day vote coming--Schedule General
Asembly for January 27-28 in San Francisco   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] HEADS UP: 5-day vote coming--Schedule
General Asembly for January 27-28 in San Francisco   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] HEADS UP: 5-day vote coming--Schedule
General Asembly for January 27-28 in San Francisco   Andrea
Dorey
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] HEADS UP: 5-day vote
coming--ScheduleGeneral Asembly for January 27-28 in San
Francisco   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] HEADS UP: 5-day vote coming--Schedule General
Asem...   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE--Bylaws Committee
Appointment   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE--Schedule CC
Retreat for December 9-10 in Santa Cruz   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE--Schedule
CCRetreat for December 9-10 in Santa Cruz   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE--Bylaws Committee
Appointment   Jim Shannon
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE--Bylaws Committee
Appoin...   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE--Bylaws
Committee Appoin...   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY
VOTE--BylawsCommittee Appoin...   Jim Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY
VOTE--BylawsCommittee Appoin...   Pat Gray
                      # [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY
VOTE--BylawsCommittee Appoin...   Jo Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED:
5-DAYVOTE--BylawsCommittee Appoin...   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: THURSDAY HEALTH CARE RALLY SAN JOSE   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] NOMINATION PERIOD: Budget Committee
Appointment (10/22/06-10/27/06)   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Thu Oct 26 19:02:27 PDT 2006
___

November 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 15

    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Community Open Forum, Friday 11/3   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] CC TELECONFERENCE AGENDA: Monday, November
13th, 2006   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] LA Regional Representative Election Results
-- 11/11/06   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] LA Regional Representative Election
Results-- 11/11/06   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] CC TELECONFERENCE AGENDA: Monday, November
13th, ...   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] CC TELECONFERENCE AGENDA: Monday,
November 13th, ...   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GreenIDEA PAC] November 11 summary.   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] [GPCA-CC] Fwd: [Fwd: Notice of Election of 3 Regional Reps] 
 Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GreenIDEA PAC] November 11 summary.   WSB3ATTYCA at
aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GreenIDEA PAC] November 11 summary.   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] CC TELECONFERENCE AGENDA: Monday, November
13th, ...   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] CC TELECONFERENCE AGENDA: Monday,
November 13th, ...   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] GPCA-CC telemeeting report   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Invite: Admin Meeting & Agenda, Nov 19th   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] List Membership   Jim Stauffer

Archived on: Thu Nov 30 21:17:16 PST 2006
___

December 2006 Archives by thread
Messages: 9

    * [SC-SM] Next Plenary Date   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] Next Plenary Date   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Administration Meeting Dec 17th - Draft Agenda   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] adding to the list   Sanda Everette
          o [SC-SM] adding to the list   Jim Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] adding to the list   Sanda
                      # [SC-SM] adding to the list   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] adding to the list   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Invite: Annual Planning Meeting   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Wed Dec 27 22:36:59 PST 2006
___

January 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 8

    * [SC-SM] Welcome a New Member   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] We are moving!!   Sanda Everette
    * [SC-SM] Bylaw Amendment   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] GPUS Delegation Survey   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] GPUS Delegation Survey   Jim Doyle
                + [SC-SM] GPUS Delegation Survey   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] GPUS Delegation Survey   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] GPUS Delegation Survey   Jonathan Lundell

Archived on: Sun Jan 28 08:25:44 PST 2007
___

February 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 7

    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Feb 27 Sacramento SB 840 hearing in the Assembly health
committee   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: Feb 27 Sacramento SB 840 hearing in the Assembly
health committee   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] Request from Paul George PPJC to Endorse March 17th Peace
Rally   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Request from Paul George PPJC to Endorse March 17th
Peace Rally   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Request from Paul George PPJC to Endorse March 17th
Peace Rally   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Bylaw Amendment Proposal   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] Bylaw Amendment Proposal   Andrea Dorey

Archived on: Wed Feb 21 09:03:41 PST 2007
___

March 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 6

    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] AGENDA: CC Teleconference, Monday, March 5th 
 Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Agenda Admin Meeting, Mar 11, 2007   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: (fwd) Call For News, Feature and OP/ED articles - GREEN
FOCUS   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: (fwd) Call For News, Feature and OP/ED articles -
GREEN FOCUS   cmarcopulos
                + [SC-SM] Fwd: (fwd) Call For News, Feature and OP/ED
articles - GREEN FOCUS   Jo Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] Please change my email address   Margaret Pye

Archived on: Sat Mar 24 11:41:54 PDT 2007
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April 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 27

    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] Three votes coming   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE -- (#1) SB 840
Healthcare   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE -- (#2) Nat'l Corp.
Shopping Boycott   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE -- (#3) Unity
Blueprint for Immigration Reform   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] 3 votes - Your Input?   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] 3 votes - Your Input?   Jim Doyle
                + [SC-SM] 3 votes - Your Input?   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] 3 votes - Your Input?   Jim Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] 3 votes - Your Input?   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] CC Retreat Notes, Mar31/Apr01 2007 (quorum
not met, so informal retreat)   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [SGARC-l] GA agenda being controlled?   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Removed from Agenda Elist?   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Removed from Agenda Elist?   Gerry Gras
                + [SC-SM] Removed from Agenda Elist?   Jo Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] Removed from Agenda Elist?   Gerry Gras
                      # [SC-SM] Removed from Agenda Elist?   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] AGENDA: CC Teleconference -- Monday, 4/9/07  
Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [Agenda] General Assembly draft agenda   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE RESULTS: SB840 / Shopping Boycott /
Unity Blueprint   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] AGENDA: CC Teleconference -- Monday, 4/9/07  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] AGENDA: CC Teleconference -- Monday,
4/9/07   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] AGENDA: CC Teleconference -- Monday,
4/9/07   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Agenda Admin Meeting - April 15, 9 am to 12:30 pm   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Returned mail: Data format error   bhawal at bom7.vsnl.net.in
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [Agenda] Delegate count for 5/07   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [usgp-nc] Anouncement from the Treasurer 2nd Quarter
state sharing to be paid   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] Unathorized Access   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Sun Apr 29 19:38:11 PDT 2007
___

May 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 11

    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] VOTE REQUIRED: 5-DAY VOTE -- Emergency
Funding -- Extension of 2006-07 Budget & Work Plans   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Re: [GPCA-CC] votes still not required   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] error   jonwhite011 at mail.com
    * [SC-SM] (no subject)   Mail Delivery Subsystem
    * [SC-SM] Invite: May 20, 2007 Gen'l Admin Mtg   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [GPCA-CC] CC minutes, 5/21/2007 mtg re 5/25-27 GA   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: [G-C-F] The Alameda Recall Resolution and the
Provisional Voting Proposal   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] DELIVERY REPORTS ABOUT YOUR E-MAIL   designer at bluebonnet.net
    * [SC-SM] A Bylaws Amendment Proposal For Both Counties -- Re CC Rep
Selection   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] A Bylaws Amendment Proposal For Both Counties -- Re CC
Rep Selection   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] A Bylaws Amendment Proposal For Both Counties --
Re CC Rep Selection   Jonathan Lundell

Archived on: Wed May 30 16:31:37 PDT 2007
___

June 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 23

    * [SC-SM] A Bylaws Amendment Proposal For Both Counties -- Re CC Rep
Selection   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] A Bylaws Amendment Proposal For Both Counties -- Re CC Rep
Selection   Jonathan Lundell
          o [SC-SM] A Bylaws Amendment Proposal For Both Counties -- Re CC
Rep Selection   Andrea Dorey
                + [SC-SM] A Bylaws Amendment Proposal For Both Counties --
Re CC Rep Selection   Jonathan Lundell
                      # [SC-SM] A Bylaws Amendment Proposal For Both
Counties -- Re CC Rep Selection   Andrea Dorey
    * [SC-SM] A Bylaws Amendment Proposal For Both Counties -- Re CC Rep
Selection   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Report   Post Office
    * [SC-SM] MESSAGE COULD NOT BE DELIVERED   anwarj at kfupm.edu.sa
    * [SC-SM] [Fwd: Seeking Regional Rep to the Coordinating Committee]  
Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] Bylaws Regarding RR   Jo Chamberlain
                + [SC-SM] Bylaws Regarding RR   j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net
    * [SC-SM] Returned mail: Data format error   Bounced mail
    * [SC-SM] Delivery reports about your e-mail   Mail Administrator
    * [SC-SM] Invitation to Regional Meeting and More   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Invitation to Regional Meeting and More   Andrea Dorey
          o [SC-SM] Invitation to Regional Meeting and More   Jim Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] Invitation to Regional Meeting and More   Pat Gray
                + [SC-SM] Invitation to Regional Meeting and More  
Jonathan Lundell
                + [SC-SM] Invitation to Regional Meeting and More   Jo
Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] delivery failed   The Post Office
    * [SC-SM] July 21st Picnic Information   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] by-laws amendment   Jim Doyle
          o [SC-SM] by-laws amendment   Jonathan Lundell

Archived on: Fri Jun 29 14:18:56 PDT 2007
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July 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 7

    * [SC-SM] RR by-laws amendment - gpsmc action   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] RR by-laws amendment - gpsmc action   JamBoi
    * [SC-SM] Thank you GPSCC & invite?   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] Thank you GPSCC & invite?   Jim Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] Thank you GPSCC & invite?   JamBoi
    * [SC-SM] RECLAIMING RICHMOND: The city's Green Party Mayor Gayle
McLaughlin and a cadre of residents fight to take back the shoreline
for public use   JamBoi
    * [SC-SM] GPSCC Bylaw Amendment re: Regional Representatives   JamBoi

Archived on: Sun Jul 22 23:00:13 PDT 2007
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August 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 3

    * [SC-SM] Carol Brouillet: Truth & Courage v America's Fear-based
Global Police State   JamBoi
    * [SC-SM] Proposal: green fest steering committee planning date - Sept
18th @ SJ Peace Center   JamBoi at Greens.org
          o [SC-SM] Proposal: green fest steering committee planning date
- Sept 18th @ SJ Peace Center   Andrea Dorey

Archived on: Sun Aug 12 09:36:27 PDT 2007
___

September 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 1

    * [SC-SM] Ride to the Plenary   Jim Stauffer

Archived on: Tue Sep 4 21:11:53 PDT 2007
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October 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 11

    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Fw: 40 beagles need homes ASAP   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Status of the CC   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] Status of the CC   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] Reminder about amending our counties' bylaws re CC member  
WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Status of the CC   cmarcopulos at comcast.net
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Sustainable San Mateo Indicators Report volunteer
opporutnity   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Presidential Candidate Jared Ball's Calif. Tour Dec.
12-22   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Single Payer Healthcare Rally next Mon Oct. 22, noon, State
Building in downtown San Jose   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] How about we host an event with Presidential candidate Jared
Ball   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Dutch Green lawmakers offended by Rep. Lantos   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] SF Green Festival Nov 9-11   Drew Johnson

Archived on: Wed Oct 31 22:39:43 PDT 2007
___

November 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 50

    * [SC-SM] SF Green Festival Nov 9-11   Andrea Dorey
          o [SC-SM] SF Green Festival Nov 9-11   Drew Johnson
                + [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] SF Green Festival Nov 9-11  
Kaisha Torres
    * [SC-SM] Zipcar, Flexcar to merge car sharing businesses   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] GP RELEASE Greens to watch on Election Day, Nov. 6;   Drew
Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Nat'l Lawyers Guild Passes Impeach Resolution; Launches
Campaign   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Fwd: Tue & Wed: Bay Area Showings of "An Unreasonable Man"
(about Ralph Nader) with special guests!   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Green Pages   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Planning for Jared Ball SF Bay Appearances December
14th-16th   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Cheney Impeach Monday 3:30 Townhall's, call-in by Kucinich  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Reminder about amending our counties' bylaws re CC member  
Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] Reminder about amending our counties' bylaws re CC
member   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Green candidate Jared Ball wins West Ill. U's mock primary  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Stanford students protest Rumsfeld appointment   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Bay cleanup efforts expanding   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] New progressive 3rd party and the Greens place in multiparty
democracy   Drew Johnson
          o [SC-SM] New progressive 3rd party and the Greens place in
multiparty democracy   Scott McLarty
                + [SC-SM] New progressive 3rd party and the Greens place
in multiparty democracy   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] New progressive 3rd party and the Greens place in multiparty
demo...   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] New progressive 3rd party and the Greens place in
multiparty demo...   Drew Johnson
                + [SC-SM] New progressive 3rd party and the Greens place
in multiparty demo...   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] 70%: Cheney abused powers, 52% committed impeachable; 64%
Bush abused   Drew Johnson
          o [SC-SM] 70%: Cheney abused powers, 52% committed impeachable;
64% Bush abused   Jim Shannon
    * [SC-SM] Truth Rising: The American People are Beginning To Get It  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] 70%: Cheney abused powers, 52% committed impeachable; 64%
Bu...   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] e-mail list purpose   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FWD: 10,000 letter to Nancy IMPEACH CHENEY   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FWD: 10,000 letter to Nancy IMPEACH CHENEY   FTPrairiedog at
aol.com
    * [SC-SM] Truth Rising: The American People are Beginning To Get
It/Crossposts   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com
          o [SC-SM] Truth Rising: The American People are Beginning To Get
It/Crossposts   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Idea for holiday social: Dec 15th Jared Ball for Prez
gathering   Drew Johnson
          o [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] Idea for holiday social: Dec 15th
Jared Ball for Prez gathering   Wes Rolley
                + [SC-SM] Idea for holiday social: Dec 15th Jared Ball 4
Prez gathering   Drew Johnson
                      # [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] Idea for holiday social:
Dec 15th Jared Ball4 Prez gathering   Kaisha Torres
                      # [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] Idea for holiday social:
Dec 15th Jared Ball4 Prez gathering   Kaisha Torres
                      # [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] Idea for holiday social:
Dec 15th Jared Ball4 Prez gathering   Sanda Everette
                      # [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] Idea for holiday social:
Dec 15th Jared Ball4 Prez gathering   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Local Green was on NPR's all things considered re oil
spill...   Drew Johnson
          o [SC-SM] Local Green was on NPR's all things considered re oil
spill...   Jim Shannon
    * [SC-SM] Lantos could get Dem primary challenge   Drew Johnson
          o [SC-SM] Lantos could get Dem primary challenge   Jim Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] Lantos could get Dem primary challenge   Pat Gray
                      # [SC-SM] Lantos could get Dem primary challenge  
Jim Shannon
                      # [SC-SM] Regional discussion is not limited to
"County Council" business   Drew Johnson
                      # [SC-SM] Regional discussion is not limited to
"County Council" business   Jim Shannon
                      # [SC-SM] Regional discussion is not limited to
"County Council" business   Drew Johnson
                      # [SC-SM] Regional discussion is not limited to
"County Council" business   cls at truffula.sj.ca.us
                      # [SC-SM] Lantos could get Dem primary challenge  
Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] First Green Congressional Campaign Committee election coming
soon   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Regional discussion is not limited to "County Council"
business   WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com

Archived on: Sat Nov 24 16:35:20 PST 2007
___

December 2007 Archives by thread
Messages: 20

    * [SC-SM] report on support for presidential candidates & Dr. Jared
Ball press release   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Su 16th Holiday Social/Dr. Jared Ball 4 Prez   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] open letter to members from the Jared Ball campaign   Drew
Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Green running for 15th Congressional seat! Peter Myers  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] GP Holiday Social w/ Presidential Candidate special guest  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Presidential Candidate special guest @ GP Holiday Social  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] draft of bylaw re regional rep election   Jim Doyle
          o [SC-SM] draft of bylaw re regional rep election   Jonathan
Lundell
                + [SC-SM] draft of bylaw re regional rep election   Jim
Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] draft of bylaw re regional rep election  
Jonathan Lundell
                      # [SC-SM] draft of bylaw re regional rep election  
Jo Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] draft of bylaw re regional rep election  
Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] draft of bylaw re regional rep election   Sanda Everette
    * [SC-SM] Come Sunday for Holiday Social and meet Jared Ball,
presidential candidate   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Report on a Jared Ball campaign event in NorCal   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] bylaws replace vs recall   Jim Doyle
          o [SC-SM] bylaws replace vs recall   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] bylaws replace vs recall   Jonathan Lundell
                + [SC-SM] bylaws replace vs recall   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] draft of bylaw re regional rep election  
WB4D23 at aol.com

Archived on: Tue Dec 18 19:24:23 PST 2007
___

January 2008 Archives by thread
Messages: 2

    * [SC-SM] bylaws re regional rep election   Jim Doyle
    * [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] RR bylaws language draft v1   Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Wed Jan 9 12:37:33 PST 2008
___

February 2008 Archives by thread
Messages: 11

    * [SC-SM] Bylaws   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] SAN MATEO??? [Fwd: Bylaws]   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] SAN MATEO??? [Fwd: Bylaws]   Jo Chamberlain
    * [SC-SM] Subscription Request   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] Subscription Request   Jonathan Lundell
          o [SC-SM] Subscription Request   Pat Gray
    * [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] RR bylaws language draft v1   Jo Chamberlain
          o [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] RR bylaws language draft v1   Jim Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] RR bylaws language draft v1   Jo
Chamberlain
                      # [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] RR bylaws language draft v1 
 Jim Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] [gpsmc-admin] RR bylaws language draft v1 
 Jo Chamberlain

Archived on: Wed Feb 27 07:57:24 PST 2008
___

March 2008 Archives by thread
Messages: 2

    * [SC-SM] Alameda Co restructuring proposal for the GPCA Coordinating
Committee   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FWD: Renewal of the GPCA   Drew Johnson

Archived on: Sun Mar 30 00:14:49 PDT 2008

___

April 2008 Archives by thread
Messages: 9

    * [SC-SM] IS THIS REBOOT/RESTRUCTURING NECESSARY?   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] FWD: Green Voter Registration - age group 20s tops   Drew
Johnson
    * [SC-SM] GP RELEASE Greens: Impeachment of Bush is last chance to
assert rule of US law   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FW: Sunday Evening 10k Club Cynthia McKinney for President
Weekly Update   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Video of Carol Brouillet & other GPCA '08 Candidates   Drew
Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FW: We need someone from CA on the GP-US Finance Committee  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Fw: Re: Merriam Calling For Yard Sale Donators and Helpers -
Fundraiser May 17th-18th   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Cynthia McKinney, Danny Glover and Cindy Sheehan among
featured speakers at "No Peace, No Work" mobilization in San Francisco
on May 1st   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FW: San Francisco Teleconference for McKinney May 4th   Drew
Johnson

Archived on: Sat Apr 26 23:12:31 PDT 2008

___

May 2008 Archives by thread
Messages: 30

    * [SC-SM] GP RELEASE Green Party election advances in Ariz., Conn.,
Maine, Mich.   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Carol's campaign is highlighted on GP.org   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Calif. Green congressional candidates back ILWU's antiwar
protest   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] In Oakland & SF On May Day, many marchers for many causes  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] [Fwd: [GPCA-CC] FW: [GreenIDEA PAC] Statewide County Council
Elections -- Status]   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] [Fwd: [GPCA-CC] FW: [GreenIDEA PAC] Statewide County
Council Elections -- Status]   Jim Shannon
                + [SC-SM] [Fwd: [GPCA-CC] FW: [GreenIDEA PAC] Statewide
County Council Elections -- Status]   Jim Stauffer
          o [SC-SM] [Fwd: [GPCA-CC] FW: [GreenIDEA PAC] Statewide County
Council Elections -- Status]   Jonathan Lundell
    * [SC-SM] Interview with Kat Swift on her presidential campaign   Drew
Johnson
          o [SC-SM] Interview with Kat Swift on her presidential campaign 
 Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] FW: Register now for the National Convention July 10-13th.  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FW: Free Website for County Council Candidates   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FW: Technical Assistance for candidates   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Write in campaigns for County Council in San Mateo???   Drew
Johnson
          o [SC-SM] Write in campaigns for County Council in San Mateo??? 
 Jim Stauffer
                + [SC-SM] Write in campaigns for County Council in San
Mateo???   Sanda Everette
                      # [SC-SM] Write in campaigns for County Council in
San Mateo???   Sanda Everette
                      # [SC-SM] Write in camp

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June 2008 Archives by thread
Messages: 19

    * [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] We're #5: Anaylzing Santa Clara's
VoterRegistration Report of 5/19/08   Tian Harter
    * [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] We're #5: Anaylzing Santa Clara's Voter
Registration Report of 5/19/08   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] We're #5: Anaylzing Santa Clara's Voter
Registration Report of 5/19/08   Fred Duperrault
          o [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] We're #5: Anaylzing Santa Clara's
Voter Registration Report of 5/19/08   Pat Gray
          o [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] We're #5: Anaylzing Santa Clara's
VoterRegistration Report of 5/19/08   Tian Harter
    * [SC-SM] [Sosfbay-discuss] We're #5: Anaylzing Santa Clara's Voter
Registration Report of 5/19/08   Fred Duperrault
    * [SC-SM] Greenfair Silicon Valley: June 7-8th in San Jos?   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Is San Mateo's County Council problem addressed yet?   Drew
Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Vote today! Tonight: Election night party at Tian's!   Drew
Johnson
    * [SC-SM] [Fwd: Silicon Valley Region Report]   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] FW: URGENT! We need to know ASAP if you're going to the
Green National Convention in Chicago   Drew Johnson
          o [SC-SM] FW: URGENT! We need to know ASAP if you're going to
the Green National Convention in Chicago   Pye, Margaret
(Perkins Coie)
                + [SC-SM] FW: URGENT! We need to know ASAP if you're going
to the Green National Convention in Chicago   Jim Stauffer
                      # [SC-SM] FW: URGENT! We need to know ASAP if you're
going to the Green National Convention in Chicago  
Margaret Pye
    * [SC-SM] Fw:[GPCA Official Notice] Apply for GPCA Member of GPUS
National Committee   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Cynthia McKinney Urges Mass Mobilization for Impeachment  
Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] GP Presidential Candidates Debate THIS SAT ON WEB 8p ET  
Drew Johnson
          o [SC-SM] GP Presidential Candidates Debate THIS SAT ON WEB 8p
ET   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Telecom Donations Tied to FISA Vote (Washington Independent)
  Drew Johnson

Archived on: Wed Jun 25 08:32:41 PDT 2008

___

July 2008 Archives by thread
Messages: 7

    * [SC-SM] Regional Picnic, Sat Aug 9th, Sunnyvale Murphy Park   Drew
Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FW: GP ADVISORY New update: Green Nat'l Convention (Chicago,
July 10-13) schedule, other info]   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] [GPCA Official Notice] Volunteers Needed to Write Reports on
November Ballot Measures   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] FW: Hip Hop Activist Accepts VP Bid for McKinney's Green
Party Bid   Drew Johnson
    * [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew   Jim Stauffer
    * [SC-SM] Warner's Bi-annual Notice to This Email Group   WSB3ATTYCA
at aol.com
    * [SC-SM] picnic! picnic!   Jim Doyle

Archived on: Sun Jul 20 11:12:03 PDT 2008


-- 
JamBoi
http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63
"Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully.  A skill set similar to
social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's
American culture, but can be developed by all.  The Green Parties need to
lead the way in Peaceableness."



From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Jul 26 14:00:10 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:00:10 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's Counter Factual Claims vs the
 Reality of the SC-SM List and His Unacceptable Behavior.
In-Reply-To: <3193.75.19.86.251.1217104206.squirrel@www.greens.org>
References: <3193.75.19.86.251.1217104206.squirrel@www.greens.org>
Message-ID: <488B905A.9040102@charter.net>

Drew Johnson wrote:
> To review: Earlier this month Jim Stauffer without County Council consultation or authorization, arbitrarily, tyrannously forcibly removed my e-mail address from the Regional E-mail List.
>   
( I dropped the rest of this.)

I think that Jim and Drew ought to buy a case of Rolling Rock (comes in 
green bottles) and go somewhere to solve this. The results will be that 
they either kill each other (a very un-green thing to do)  or decide 
that is is not worth wasting everyone's time over.

The bylaw for GP SCC state:
>
> 2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties 
> include serving as a coordinating or steering committee to:
> ...
> d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and other 
> Green Parties and/or other local organizations which support the 
> principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform.
 
This has all of the characteristics of the Graham - Tewksbury feud 
without the use of physical weapons.  When it was all over, no one won.

I would like to see Jim and Drew take this to some mediation rather than 
to have Drew force the Council into attempting a judicial action for 
which there may not be documented authority.  Somewhat in jest, I 
suggested the use of alcohol as a mediator.  They might decide to use 
someone or something else.

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From alexcathy at aol.com  Sat Jul 26 18:41:48 2008
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:41:48 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's Counter Factual . . . [Blah!
	Blah! Blah!]
In-Reply-To: <488B905A.9040102@charter.net>
References: <3193.75.19.86.251.1217104206.squirrel@www.greens.org>
	<488B905A.9040102@charter.net>
Message-ID: <8CABDA111441683-15D0-FCC@webmail-nc21.sysops.aol.com>


 Amen! 

I concur with Wes Rolley 100%. 

Alex Walker 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net>
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 2:00 pm

 . . 


I think that Jim and Drew ought to buy a case of Rolling Rock (comes in 
green bottles) and go somewhere to solve this. The results will be that 
they either kill each other (a very un-green thing to do)  or decide 
that is is not worth wasting everyone's time over.

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From fredd at freeshell.org  Sat Jul 26 19:16:53 2008
From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:16:53 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's Counter Factual . . . [Blah!
 Blah! Blah!]
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References: <3193.75.19.86.251.1217104206.squirrel@www.greens.org>	<488B905A.9040102@charter.net>
Message-ID: <488BDA95.2090408@freeshell.org>

  Maybe rubbing alcohol would be the better wash.

Fred

Amen!

I concur with Wes Rolley 100%.

Alex Walker

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net>
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 2:00 pm

. .

I think that Jim and Drew ought to buy a case of Rolling Rock (comes in 

green bottles) and go somewhere to solve this. The results will be that 

they either kill each other (a very un-green thing to do)  or decide 

that is is not worth wasting everyone's time over.



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From JamBoi at Greens.org  Sun Jul 27 06:07:48 2008
From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] For Green tracking info on McCain/Obama's
	sameness/grayness
Message-ID: <1435.75.19.86.251.1217164068.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Check out the "Obameter" group on GreenChange.org

http://network.greenchange.org/groups/obameter

Also the e-mail updates:

http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/1488/t/338/signUp.jsp?key=1877



Green is REAL CHANGE!

Drew


On Sat, July 26, 2008 10:41, floresmagon at yahoo.com wrote:
> Maybe I am wrong, maybe we should launch a full scale campaign detailing
> how much backtracking or in fact identical political positions that Barack
> and MCCAIN have in common.



From cbrouillet at igc.org  Sun Jul 27 07:25:53 2008
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:25:53 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Upcoming Schedule of 9/11 Truth/Impeachment events
Message-ID: <E1KN7C7-0004tm-Jn@elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This is somewhat belated.  I will be bringing a ound system to the 
San Mateo/SantaClara County Picnic/Potluck, and music and am looking 
for speakers for our annual rally/march to the 10th Annual Power to 
the Peaceful Festival (which draws 50,000 people).
Here are the Upcoming Events/Meetings/Rallies/Marches (please help 
spread the word- and do come! Send your events to cbrouillet at igc.org 
to add them to the calendar)

Announcements- Good News! Dennis Kucinich's Impeachment Resolution 
was addressed in the House Judiciary Committee Hearing Friday.
More Good News!  My doctor called yesterday, and the cysts in my 
pancreas are benign. (Carol Brouillet)


#1) Impeachment Actions, Rally, Friday, July 25th, 3pm - 6pm, Zoe 
Lofgren's Office, 635 N. 1st St., San Jose
#2) Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance 
Retreat/Celebration/Organizing for September, Sunday, July 27, 2008, 
Noon- 8pm, Palo Alto
#3) Film Premiere- The Reflecting Pool, Monday, August 4, 2008, 7 PM, 
Pacific Film Archive, 2575 Bancroft Way, Berkeley
#4) Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance Meeting, Thursday, August 
7, 2008, 7 p.m. to 10 p.m., 522 Valencia St., San Francisco
#5)  Green Party of San Mateo/Santa Clara County Annual 
Potluck/Picnic, Saturday, August 9, 2008, 11am - 4 pm, Murphy Park, Sunnyvale
#6) Listening for a Change- On the Eleventh of Every Month, Monday, 
August 11, 2008, 11:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m., Lytton Plaza, Palo Alto
#7) Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance Meeting, Thursday, August 
21, 2008, 7 p.m. to 10 p.m.,  The Grand Lake Neighborhood Center, Oakland
#8) Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance Meeting, Thursday, 
September 4, 2008, 7 p.m. to 10 p.m., 522 Valencia St.,San Francisco
#9) 9th Annual 911 Power to the Peaceful Festival, Sat., Sept. 
6,  Annual 9/11 Truth Rally/March  begins at 10am @ the Panhandle 
(between Oak & Fell @ Ashbury)
#10) 9/11 Truth Film Festival, Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 1 pm- 
10 pm, Grand Lake Theater, Oakland

More Details (Check http://www.communitycurrency.org/events.html for 
the latest updates- we are still on the planning stage for a few of 
these events.)

#1) Impeachment Actions, Rally, Friday, July 25th, 3pm - 6pm, Zoe 
Lofgren's Office, 635 N. 1st St., San Jose Here's the latest 
Impeachment News- which includes what we can do to further this 
process. http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=5538 Amongst 
the articles of Impeachment that Kucinich introduced in June 3 
included 9/11 issues. Hearings will hopefully force the media to 
begin to cover the important suppressed facts and information, and 
begin some process of accountability, at least slow them down on 
their present course.


#2) Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance 
Retreat/Celebration/Organizing for September, Sunday, July 27, 2008
Noon- 8pm
(Serious Discussion/Decision making 3pm - 6 pm)

Last year we held a Retreat to plan our August/September events at my 
home (in Palo Alto). It was a fun/productive gathering and our 
subsequent events were a success. We are still trying to figure out 
what to do precisely for this August/September 11th at the Grand Lake 
Theater. If you would like to come to the retreat and help with the 
upcoming events & newsletter... I hope you can join us next Sunday, 
July 27th at my house. I plan on making food (but some people want me 
to spend more time facilitating and participating in the discussion- 
so if we turn it into a potluck, I might have more time to be part of 
the circle). This will also be a chance for me to celebrate with 
friends the good news that the biopsy results show the cysts in my 
pancreas are benign. Call, or email to RSVP and get directions to my 
house. 650-857-0927, cbrouillet at igc.org Carol AND, If you want to 
help, but can't come next Sunday- please let us know what you can do, 
and any of your ideas/suggestions.
Main Goals-
Newsletter- getting it done/mailed
Annie Machon event?
911 Power to the Peaceful Rally? March? Tabling/Flyering/Speaking
September 11th at the Grand Lake Theater


#3) Film Premiere- The Reflecting Pool
August 4, 2008, 7 PM
Pacific Film Archive
2575 Bancroft Way
Berkeley, CA
(510) 642-1412

The Reflecting Pool follows an investigation by a skeptical 
Russian-American journalist who teams up with the father of a 9/11 
victim to fact check the official version of the tragedy as 
documented in the 9/11 Commission Report. As they examine evidence 
and interview key eyewitnesses, the official story begins to crumble. 
The Reflecting Pool is the first investigative drama to present this 
issue in the spirit of such films as All the President's Men and JFK.
The film illustrates that, as so often is the case, the truth does 
not set you free; it ties your stomach and conscience into knots. It 
will remind you of All the President's Men and JFK, films that also 
used drama to pursue political truths. Writer/Director Jarek Kupsc 
plays Alex Prokop, a successful journalist who receives a mysterious 
9/11 videotape revealing new information on the attack. Joseph Culp 
appears as Paul Cooper, the man who sent the tape and a driven 
researcher whose daughter died on 9/11. Though skeptical of 
conspiracy theorists and fearful that it will jeopardize his career, 
Prokop agrees to take on the story.

We follow Prokop and Cooper as they investigate the destruction of 
evidence from Ground Zero, the collapse of the 47-story WTC Building 
Seven, and the airliner attack on the Pentagon. The results of their 
investigation suggest the official version as presented in the 9/11 
Commission Report purposely ignored or omitted evidence and 
testimonies to protect people in political positions, including the 
present administration. Prokop, plagued by the ghosts of his 
Communist childhood and trying to uphold the independence of American 
journalism, struggles to come to grips with this awful truth.

The Reflecting Pool is an intense, sobering analysis of the most 
controversial tragedy of our time -- a thought-provoking study of a 
search for truth and the profound consequences of not looking for it 
any further than the nightly news.

Selected reviews


"The Reflecting Pool presents a story that I have not taken the time 
or courage to touch."
--Barbara Trent, Academy Award Winner, The Panama Deception
"The film illustrates that, as so often is the case, the truth does 
not set you free; it ties your stomach and conscience into knots. It 
will remind you of All the President's Men and JFK, films that also 
used drama to pursue political truths."
--Joel Hirschhorn, Op-ed news

"The script is top-notch, the characterizations moving. If the film 
has a flaw, it's in trying to document so much evidence in a 
narrative thriller. Yet by and large, it pulls it off to deliver a 
chilling and effective message -- maybe it can happen here."
--Jim Cirile, Screenwriters Magazine

About The Reflecting Pool:


The Reflecting Pool premiered theatrically through American 
Cinematheque to a standing-room only audience on January 31, 2008, at 
the Aero Theatre in Santa Monica, CA. The film screened in limited 
runs in February and March in Los Angeles, San Luis Obispo, and 
continues with other selected screenings. The film is an official 
selection this summer at the Maine International Film Festival in 
July and the Moondance International Film Festival in August. The 
film was recently picked up by Rialto Theaters in New Zealand for 
this September.
About the filmmakers:


The Reflecting Pool was independently produced and financed by 
Baltazar Works with Jodie Baltazar and Joseph Culp serving as 
producers. The Reflecting Pool is director Jarek Kupsc's third 
feature film. He won multiple awards for his debut feature Recoil and 
won Best Picture for Slumberland in his native Poland. Kupsc gives 
his view: "Most of all we wanted to tell a human story about what 
happens to people when the truth is kept from them and show the 
struggle one must go through for their own sense of integrity." He 
continues, "September 11th, 2001, was a defining moment in modern 
history--an event that propelled America toward preemptive wars under 
false pretenses resulting in the deaths of over a million civilians 
in the Middle East, thousands of American troops, and a complete 
disregard for the Geneva Conventions not to mention the Bill of 
Rights." Culp says, The Reflecting Pool is a way of taking stock of 
what has happened to our country after 9/11 and to do the most 
American thing of all--ask questions and demand honest answers."
www.reflectingpoolfilm.com


#4)  Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance Meeting, Thursday, August 7, 2008
7 p.m. to 10 p.m.
522 Valencia St., just up from the 16th St. Bart Station,San Francisco

#5)  Green Party of San Mateo/Santa Clara County Annual Potluck/Picnic

11am - 4 pm
130 E California Ave.
Martin Murphy Junior Park, Sunnyvale
Everyone welcome! Green Party Congressional Candidate- Northern 
California 9/11 Truth Alliance Founder- Carol Brouillet will be there 
(and could use some logistical help..)

#6) Listening for a Change- On the Eleventh of Every Month 11:00 a.m. 
- 1:00 p.m., Lytton Plaza, Palo Alto (University x Emerson)

Since October 2001, every Wednesday, except when it is raining; I 
have set up tables, banners, chairs, food, educational material, and 
created a space for public dialogue on key issues. Beginning in 
November 2007, I am doing this on a monthly basis, on the 11th of 
every month. We ask the public three questions and write down their responses-
What do you think/feel about the events of September 11th and the 
U.S. government's response?

How could we defuse terrorism?"

How could we create a safer/better world for our children and all children?


Sponsored by Women's International League for Peace and Freedom and 
Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance All welcome. For more 
information call Carol Brouillet 650-857-0927.


#7) Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance Meeting, Thursday, August 21, 2008
at The Grand Lake Neighborhood Center
530 Lake Park Avenue, (between Lakeshore Avenue and Grand Avenue) in Oakland
7:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m.

Directions-
 From Hwy. 580 East (coming from the Bay Bridge or Berkeley), take 
the Grand Ave./Lakeshore exit (start getting over to the on your way 
past the Broadway-Webster exit - it's tricky - and move right again 
when approaching the next exit, Harrison/Oakland, but don't get in 
that exit lane). The exit ramp merges into MacArthur which intersects 
with Grand at the light. Make a left at the light onto Grand, make a 
right onto Lake Park Ave. (the Grand Lake Theater will be on the 
corner on your far right before you turn). Go about a block, past the 
BofA, which will be on your left, and the GLNC will also be on your 
left. Park on the street or turn right into free public parking under 
the freeway.
 From Hwy. 580 West (coming from Hayward), take the Lakeshore Ave. 
exit. When you exit at Lakshore Ave., you will be on Lake Park. Go 
straight at the light (you'll see a Busy Body Home Fitness store in 
front of you to the right), crossing Lakeshore Ave. The GLNC will be 
a few storefronts down on your right. Park on the street or turn left 
into free public parking under the freeway across from GLNC. If you 
cross Grand Ave. (and the theater) you've gone too far.

Buses (check schedules):
The 57 Macarthur, to Kaiser hospital, 40th and the Emeryville 
shopping district.
The NL, via Grand to downtown Oakland and San Francisco


#8) Northern California 9-11 Truth Alliance Meeting, Thursday, 
September 4, 2008, 7 p.m. to 10 p.m.
522 Valencia St., just up from the 16th St. Bart Station, San Francisco

#9) 9th Annual 911 Power to the Peaceful Festival
Annual Rally/March from the Panhandle through Golden Gate Park to the 
911 Power to the Peaceful Festival
Saturday, September 6, 2008

Speedway Meadows
Golden Gate Park
Following the attacks of September 11th, the first "9/11 Truth Rally 
and March" took place in the Panhandle, marching up Haight Street and 
through Golden Gate Park to the 911 Power to the Peaceful Concert-

Our rally begins at 10:00 am @ the Panhandle (between Oak and Fell at Ashbury)
11:00 am we begin our march up Ashbury to Haight, through Golden Gate 
Park to Speedway Meadows and to the Concert which lasts until 5:00 pm.
To endorse, speak, volunteer- Contact Carol Brouillet @ 650-857-0927. 
We welcome all who are for 9/11 Truth, Impeachment, Peace, an End to 
War, Repeal of the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act. Bring 
banners, signs, costumes, musical instruments, your humor, energy, 
messages. The Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance will have a 
booth at the Concert and pass out literature to the thousands who 
come to the concert and support peace.
http://www.powertothepeaceful.org/

#10) 9/11 Truth Film Festival
Thursday, September 11th, 2008
1 pm- 10 pm
Grand Lake Theater
Oakland California
Final Program TBA- We will have great films, music, speakers...


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From cbrouillet at igc.org  Sun Jul 27 11:27:16 2008
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:27:16 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] TODAY LABORFEST is in San Jose!!!!!2PM SJSU MKL
	Jr. Library
Message-ID: <E1KNAxh-0005lo-Uj@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

THIS EVENT IS HAPPENING TODAY!!!!  PLEASE COME!!!

  <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
San Jose and New Orleans have seen the closing of hospitals and have 
community groups working to restore them.  On Sunday July 27th Brian 
Ott, chair of the Committee to Reopen Charity Hospital will discuss 
post-Katrina efforts to restore the largest public health care 
facility in Louisiana.  Also featured is the film "Spirit of 
1929-Streetcar Stories" which depicts the turbulent general strike in 
New Orleans at the dawn of the Depression.


Charity hospital in New Orleans was the second largest hospital in 
the country before Katrina closed it in 2005. This 550 bed state 
funded facility was designed in 1930's and has been part of New 
Orleans architectural, cultural and medical heritage since its 
founding in 1735 to serve the indigent. Brian Ott of the Committee to 
Reopen Charity Hospital , along with speakers from the Coalition for 
a Downtown Hospital in San Jose will share efforts to preserve health 
care facilities. Like New Orleans, San Jose has lost its Downtown 
hospital. Here local citizens have been mobilizing support  to 
preserve and protect public healthcare. A fall bond measure  may 
provide funds for restoring county medical facilities which include a 
Down Town  medical unit. We will enjoin a panel to talk about how 
both cities can foster efforts to save public health care services in 
CA. and LA.

Date:              July 27, Sunday
Where:           San Jose State University Library Room 255 150 
E.Fernando St. in San Jose
Time:              2:00 p.m. Film and Discussion
Information:    Call Michael Hejazi UAW 2350 CSEA (4080-420-5760
                       Jim Kelly San Jose City College Labor Studies 
(408)298-2181 x2575

Full LaborFest schedule at 
<http://www.laborfest.net/2008schedule.htm>http://www.laborfest.net/2008schedule.htm



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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 27 12:16:34 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:16:34 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] drew - jim stauffer solutions
Message-ID: <488CC992.8030003@sbcglobal.net>

Hats off to Fred Dupperault for his gentle and compassionate
"non-alcoholic" suggestion!

He had me rolling in the aisle.



From MARKETPOIN at aol.com  Sun Jul 27 13:00:42 2008
From: MARKETPOIN at aol.com (MARKETPOIN at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:00:42 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] drew - jim stauffer solutions
Message-ID: <bc0.39246c13.35be2dea@aol.com>

How would this be handled and negotiated in a non violent manner if it was an 
argument between the leaders of two countries?  If we can't figure how to 
handle this type of argument between ourselves how can we be leaders handling 
huge life threatening arguments out there in the world?  Just trading insults and 
sarcasm's doesn't seem like it is going to solve the situation.

Judy B.


In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:16:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net writes:


> Hats off to Fred Dupperault for his gentle and compassionate
> "non-alcoholic" suggestion!
> 
> He had me rolling in the aisle.
> 
> 




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From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Jul 27 16:58:04 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Energy Policies: Red, Blue, Green
Message-ID: <488D0B8C.9040203@charter.net>

Just wrote a fairly long post at California Greening 
<http://cagreening.blogspot.com/> that I hope illustrates why the way 
out of the energy mess is to vote Green.  Comments on Spier, Eshoo and 
Honda.  All three are  far from providing solutions for our real problems.

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From eameece at california.com  Fri Jul 25 12:07:07 2008
From: eameece at california.com (E. Alan Meece)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:07:07 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] drew - jim stauffer solutions
References: <bc0.39246c13.35be2dea@aol.com>
Message-ID: <488A245B.3AE5@california.com>

I respect Jim and his contributions to the Green Party, and have nothing
personal against him. It seems to me though that Drew is a pretty
cool-headed guy and that Jim is the problem. This is not a one-time
situation, as Drew has said. I think the Party needs to take into
account Jim's behavior and his unwillingness to face up to it. Perhaps
the issue of his cancelling Drew from a list is not so important; it's
the larger pattern that concerns me.

Eric Meece

By the way, when we hit the reply button, the message should go to the
list. duh??

MARKETPOIN at aol.com wrote:
> 
> How would this be handled and negotiated in a non violent manner if it
> was an argument between the leaders of two countries?  If we can't
> figure how to handle this type of argument between ourselves how can
> we be leaders handling huge life threatening arguments out there in
> the world?  Just trading insults and sarcasm's doesn't seem like it is
> going to solve the situation.
> 
> Judy B.
> 
> In a message dated 7/27/2008 12:16:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net writes:
> 
>      Hats off to Fred Dupperault for his gentle and compassionate
>      "non-alcoholic" suggestion!
> 
>      He had me rolling in the aisle.
> 
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> Fantasy Football today.
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From mkmusic at greens.org  Mon Jul 28 01:28:17 2008
From: mkmusic at greens.org (Merriam Kathaleen)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:28:17 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [SVIC] Impeachment Demonstration at Zoe
 Lofgren's district office this Fri. 7/25]
In-Reply-To: <01FD9179-4C89-4E2E-BFBC-293900AFEDF1@cagreens.org>
References: <48884F63.5060206@greens.org>
	<01FD9179-4C89-4E2E-BFBC-293900AFEDF1@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <488D8321.7020003@greens.org>

Andi,

Our SVIC members lobbied for KPFA to cover the hearing.  We blitzed them 
with multiple press releases.  I don't know if our press releases did 
the trick, but one of our SVIC members who sent out the press releases 
received an email and phone call from KPFA telling her that they will be 
covering the hearing.

Merriam
SVIC

Andrea Dorey wrote:
> KPFA will carry it LIVE!! 
> Call in to let them know you appreciate their  dogged following of 
> this and other Progressive events!!
> Andi
>
> On Jul 24, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Merriam Kathaleen wrote:
>>
>>
>> *From: *MKmusic03 at aol.com <mailto:MKmusic03 at aol.com>
>> *Date: *July 24, 2008 12:49:53 AM PDT
>> *To: *svic at lists.riseup.net <mailto:svic at lists.riseup.net>
>> *Cc: *MKmusic03 at aol.com <mailto:MKmusic03 at aol.com>
>> *Subject: **[SVIC] Impeachment Demonstration at Zoe Lofgren's 
>> district office this Fri. 7/25*
>> *Reply-To: *svic at lists.riseup.net 
>> <mailto:svic at lists.riseup.net>,MKmusic03 at aol.com 
>> <mailto:MKmusic03 at aol.com>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> *This is the week we have all been waiting for and putting out all 
>> our efforts for the past years!* !!!!
>>
>> This Friday 7/25 there will be a House Judiciary Committee hearing 
>> and Dennis Kucinich is definitely one of the speakers.  Though the 
>> hearing is not primarily about impeachment we can be certain the 
>> topic will be brought up.  The hearing begins 10:00 am Washington DC 
>> time.
>>
>> We will then celebrate our standing up for the Constitution by 
>> demonstrating in front of Zoe Lofgren's office.  Come out and be a 
>> part of this historical moment.  Make no Mistake, it is the power of 
>> "WE THE PEOPLE" that has brought about the Judiciary Committee 
>> hearing!!!!  We The People have spoken and WE have been heard!!!!!
>>
>> This Friday will be our 37th consecutive week of demonstrating LOUDLY 
>> for IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS!!!!  Join us in front of Zoe's office at 635 
>> N. 1st St., San Jose. (Between Taylor & Jackson St. across from the 
>> IHOP restaurant/Light Rail stop is corner of Jackson St on 1st St.) 
>> We will be there from 3:00pm - 6:00pm. We want to be loud and proud 
>> for Impeachment hearings for Cheney and Bush.
>>
>> SEE YOU THERE.  IF YOU CAN'T BE THERE PLEASE CALL ZOE'S OFFICE 
>> (408-271-8700) TO TELL THEM THAT YOU WANT ZOE TO SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT 
>> HEARINGS.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Merriam
>> Silicon Valley Impeachment Coalition
>> mkmusic03 at aol.com <mailto:mkmusic03 at aol.com>
>> 408-482-6032 (Cell)
>> svimpeach.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 28 10:04:43 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:04:43 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] NZ Students Offer Reward for Citizens' Arrest of
	Condi
Message-ID: <BAY115-W541FB5A6BAD278840157119E830@phx.gbl>


Fri Jul 25,  1:15 AM ET
                            
                    		
                         

                        
                        WELLINGTON, New Zealand - New Zealand students protesting the Iraq war offered a reward to anyone who carries out a citizen's arrest of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during her visit to the country Friday.                        
                                                The Auckland University Students' Association is seeking Rice's arrest for her role in "overseeing the illegal invasion and continued occupation" of Iraq, Association President David Do said. The group is offering a $3,700 reward.
Rice is making her first trip to New Zealand after attending a Southeast Asian security forum in Singapore. She is scheduled to arrive from Australia late Friday and fly out early Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080725/ap_on_re_au_an/rice_student_arrest


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From peter at myersforcalifornia.com  Sun Jul 27 22:12:35 2008
From: peter at myersforcalifornia.com (Peter Myers)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:12:35 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers for Congress: 100 Days Left
Message-ID: <651D0D29-3321-4CEA-9330-F3E273FC70F1@myersforcalifornia.com>

Dear Fellow Greens,

With 100 days left before the election, I'd like to reintroduce myself  
and my campaign, and ask for your help down the home stretch.

My name is Peter Myers, and I am running for the U.S. House of  
Representatives in the 15th District, a seat currently held by  
Democrat Mike Honda. I was raised in Los Gatos, earned a degree in  
journalism and international relations from Boston University, and  
served my country as a Peace Corps volunteer in the former Soviet  
republic of Moldova. I now live in Campbell and work as a computer  
teacher at the Apple Store in Los Gatos.

In my two years of Peace Corps service, I saw the tremendous  
possibility for American leadership in international development and  
diplomacy. I lived and worked with hundreds of men, women and children  
who would have considered America their worst enemy 20 years ago, and  
created ties of friendship that will last more than another 20 years.

While I was building a positive image of the United States through my  
Peace Corps work, my government was creating an image of the United  
States as a military occupier, a leading source of pollution, and a  
nation that couldn't provide for its own citizens after a natural  
disaster. The Iraq War, which I had vehemently opposed as a student  
newspaper columnist in 2003, now caused my eighth-grade Moldovan  
students to distrust America's motives.

I returned home to the U.S. in August 2007, and traveled around the  
country for three months by car. While driving, I talked with ordinary  
folks in over 30 states, and found that they, like myself, had started  
to question whether anyone in Washington represented them. I met  
veterans who couldn't understand their country's actions in Iraq, and  
I met dozens of New Orleanians who either were struggling to make ends  
meet in their hometown or had moved to Mississippi or Texas because  
they had given up hope. In "red" and "blue" states alike, I met  
American after American who felt that something was going terribly  
wrong in our country, and that we needed a change.

I used to think Democrats could deliver that change; their actions  
since taking control of Congress in 2006 have changed my mind.  
Democrats have failed the American people on improving fuel  
efficiency, in fixing our moribund health care system, and in getting  
our troops out of Iraq. Constitutionally, the Democrats could have  
stood up to the Bush administration as early as January 2007 and  
refused to further fund the Iraq War without a withdrawal date; they  
didn't. The Democrats in Congress have spinelessly allowed this failed  
imperialist occupation to continue, either because they have no  
political courage or, worse, because they stand to profit from  
American militarism just as much as Republicans.

I am running because Americans need to reclaim our country from the  
two-party system that has brought us nothing but war and recession for  
the last eight years. We need new elected officials who can bring  
peace, social justice and ecological wisdom to Washington.

In the next 100 days, I need your help. There are many ways to help,  
whether it's by inviting your friends to a candidate meet-and-greet at  
your home, by forwarding my e-mails to your friends, by contributing  
to my campaign via myersforcalifornia.com, by joining a phone bank  
party, by handing out flyers door-to-door, or by finding your own way  
to help. This campaign will succeed with your help.

To volunteer, please e-mail me at peter at myersforcalifornia.com or call  
me at 408-242-4212.

Together, we can bring a message of peace and Green living to the 15th  
District and the entire country.

Thank you,
	Peter


Peter Myers
Green Party Candidate
U.S. House of Representatives
California's 15th District
peter at myersforcalifornia.com
http://www.myersforcalifornia.com
408-242-4212







From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 28 16:46:30 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:46:30 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] full list of names of 12 ballot measures
Message-ID: <488E5A56.8090605@sbcglobal.net>

There are a dozen ballot measures/initiatives that have qualified for 
the November ballot
and there are 5 more going through signature verification.

The Secretary of State has two web pages that provide information on 
these measures.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_j.htm
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/vig_11042008_public_display.htm

The first is merely a list and is the source of the list presented below.
It will however get you started as to the question "What are the ballot 
measures?"

The second is a draft copy of the voter pamphlet separated in sedctions
for each ballot proposition and uses only proposition x as the haeder of 
a section.
I will send a sample of the second type in another email.

The legislative analyst's analyses for these ballot measures are at
http://www.lao.ca.gov/laoapp/ballot_source/propositions.aspx

Here are the 12 propositions that have qualified for and will be on the
November 4, 2008 General Election Ballot*

Bond Measure
Proposition 1 SB 1856 (Chapter 697, 2002). Costa.
Safe, Reliable High-Speed Passenger Train Bond Act for the 21st Century.

Initiative Statute
Proposition 2 1274. Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute.

Initiative Statute
Proposition 3 1271. Children?s Hospital Bond Act. Grant Program. Statute.

Initiative Constitutional Amendment
Proposition 4 1287. Waiting Period and Parental Notification Before 
Termination of Minor?s Pregnancy.

Statute
Proposition 5 1310. Nonviolent Offenders. Sentencing, Parole and 
Rehabilitation.

Initiative Statute
Proposition 6 1326. Criminal Penalties and Laws. Public Safety Funding. 
Statute.

Initiative Statute
Proposition 7 1304. Renewable Energy. Statute.

Initiative Constitutional Amendment
Proposition 8 1298. Limit on Marriage. Constitutional Amendment.

Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute
Proposition 9 1325. Criminal Justice System. Victims? Rights. Parole.

Initiative Statute
Proposition 10 1332. Bonds. Alternative Fuel Vehicles and Renewable 
Energy. Statute.

Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute
Proposition 11 1307. Redistricting. Constitutional Amendment and Statute.

Bond Measure
Proposition 12 SB 1572 (Chapter 122, 2008). Wyland. Veterans' Bond Act 
of 2008.
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 28 16:53:03 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:53:03 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] public display copy of voter pamphlet
Message-ID: <488E5BDF.2040501@sbcglobal.net>

The public display - draft - copy of the voter pamphlet for November is 
online at
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/vig_11042008_public_display.htm

Here is a sample of the format it uses - just one for the pattern is the 
same
for each one of the others.

November 4, 2008, General Election  Official Voter Information Guide - 
Public Display

The following documents are PDF files for viewing online:

Proposition 1
# Ballot Label and Ballot Title and Summary 
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_pres_general/prop_1_titlesummary.pdf> 

# Legislative Analysis 
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_pres_general/prop_1_analysis.pdf> 

# Argument in Favor 
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_pres_general/prop_1_arg_in_favor.pdf> 

# Rebuttal to Argument in Favor 
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_pres_general/prop_1_rebuttal_to_arg_in_favor.pdf> 

# Argument Against 
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_pres_general/prop_1_arg_against.pdf> 

# Rebuttal to Argument Against 
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_pres_general/prop_1_rebuttal_to_arg_against.pdf> 

# Text of Proposed Law 
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/bp_11042008_pres_general/prop_1_text_law.pdf> 


Access the web site listed above, scroll to the proposition of interest, 
and read on.



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul 28 16:54:51 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:54:51 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] preparing for next meeting
Message-ID: <488E5C4B.60207@sbcglobal.net>

The links and references I sent re ballot measures are intended to
help you prepare for our next general meeting at which these measures
will be on the agenda.



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 29 09:01:15 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:01:15 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] =?windows-1256?q?Pelosi_Needs_a_Reminder_on_Bus?=
	=?windows-1256?q?h_Crimes=FE?=
Message-ID: <BAY115-W28995350C822D180061EBC9E820@phx.gbl>


Pelosi told "The View" yesterday "I thought that impeachment would be divisive 
for the country....  If somebody had a crime that the president had 
committed, that would be a different story."  She said you can't accomplish
Congress's legislative goals "if you?re trying to impeach the president at the same 
time, unless you have the goods that this president committed these 
crimes."

http://www.democrats.com/pelosi-would-impeach-bush-if-she-had-the-goods

David Swanson asks us to fax and email her Conyers's list and Kucinich's 35 
articles.  

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/35102  

Swanson also links to video of the
December 19, 2005, press conference in 
which Bush admits to violating FISA
(thereby committing numerous felonies). This
press conference was cited by abc
channel 7 news Legal Analyst Dean  Johnson as 
evidence for the "strongest legal case against Mr. Bush."  He said "Section 1809 of the 
FISA Act provides
that any public official who engages in a wiretap, without

authorization, is guilty of a felony - I think it's beyond a reasonable
dispute that
President Bush violated that statute." 


http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local&id=4911758

Bush has already confessed to an impeachable offense!  He could be impeached
in a couple of days, but Congress pretends they don't have time, need investigations,
and haven't got the evidence.   We need to send these links to our reps.

Brian





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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 30 16:53:35 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:53:35 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] voter registration vs homeland security
Message-ID: <4890FEFF.9060501@sbcglobal.net>

1)  up to 10,000 new citizens to be sworn in in August in Santa Clara County
    at two large ceremonies at the county fairgrounds
    If I understood correctly that will be on Thursday August 7-th and
    Thursday August 14-th  (personal communication from Soccoro McCord)

2)  Homeland Security has changed a regulation affecting procedures at
    swearing ceremonies claiming congestion resulting in a drop in 
registrations.
    reported in the Mercury News of July  19-th 
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9931998?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com
    *http://tinyurl.com/5zjf2v
    *reported in the Mercury News of July 19-th

3)  thus we have an opportunity to distribute voter registration forms
    to those being sworn in as they arrive



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 30 21:34:35 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:34:35 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] meeting agenda topics
Message-ID: <489140DB.7090102@sbcglobal.net>

Here a reminder about agenda topics for our next monthly meeting:
(the original came from Warner)

The next GPCA state meeting will be held Saturday-Sunday  August 23-24 at
Dana Point (southern coastal Orange County).  The draft  agenda includes 
a number
of items, including proposed GPCA Platform  additions.  The Plenary will 
also
consider November 2008 ballot  measures. 

Our position on these ballot measures needs to be established.

Under our monthly general meeting schedule, our only meeting  before the
Plenary will be August 6th (first Wednesday). 

At that meeting  we will need to affirm delegates and alternates to the 
Plenary
and
decide how to  deal with instructions to those delegates. 

We also have outstanding issues  regarding recruiting and affirming a 
new GPCA
Coordinating Committee member and  alternate (in coordination with the 
San Mateo
County GP).   Warner



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 31 00:54:05 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:54:05 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: I'm Going to Court - We Need Your Support!]
Message-ID: <48916F9D.2000802@earthlink.net>


Please read,

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: I'm Going to Court - We Need Your Support!
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:00:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: SF Bay Area WORLD CAN'T WAIT - DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME!
<sf at worldcantwait.org>
Reply-To: sf at worldcantwait.org


[ ]
<http://www.worldcantwait.net/elist/blkheader.jpg>


       August 4th, in Oakland is My Pretrial Hearing for Protesting at
       the Recruiting Station
       See below for details


     A Letter to the WCW Community and Friends
      >From Stephanie Tang

     Dear Friends,

     Next week I go to court for a pretrial hearing in a case stemming
     from World Can't Wait's ongoing Berkeley protests at the Marine 
Recruiting
     Station (MRS). I write to ask for the support of our whole community
     to fight for this politically-charged and motivated case to get
     dropped, right now. There is no way I should be threatened with a
     year in jail for organizing protest and resistance against the
     military recruiters, this endless and murderous war/occupation,
     torture, and the whole Bush regime program.

     As readers of this e-list know, during WCW's persistent and spirited
     protests at the MRS, the Berkeley police have repeatedly attacked us
     with harsh and often violent tactics (that by the way, totally belie
     Berkeley being a city officially opposed to the war!). Both WCW and
     Code Pink have received much repressive harassment. And WCW's 
rallies and
     actions (which have all been nonviolent, and usually have permits)
     have been repeatedly assaulted by the police. In lovely downtown
     Berkeley, cops in full riot gear charge the crowd, destroy sound
     equipment, and generally create a whole scenario meant to intimidate
     both the protestors and our public support.

     It was in one of these WCW protests on February 22 that I was
     injured by a Berkeley police officer, who hit me so hard I flew head
     first into a brick wall. Some days later, I received notification by
     mail that I was being charged with obstruction of an officer. The
     charge carries a year in jail and a $1,000 fine. My pretrial hearing
     is set for Monday, August 4, at the Alameda County Superior Court.

     World Can't Wait fully supports me in fighting to get this totally
     trumped-up charge dropped. It is important to note that although
     several protestors have been arrested at the MRS (either for civil
     resistance/civil disobedience or other nonviolent actions), 
everyone else's
     charges have either been dropped or never even filed. So I am the
     only protestor actually facing any charges. I am known as a leader
     of the local World Can't Wait movement by the community - and by 
the police -
     which may factor into the authorities' approach to my case.

     I know all of you on this e-list (if not personally, yet) because
     together we have been working tirelessly: to stop this intolerable
     war and occupation - to prevent the next U.S. escalation in the Middle
     East; the threatened war against Iran - to refuse the complicity of
     silence in the face of state-sanctioned torture - to say the whole
     Bush Regime program must be repudiated, resisted, and reversed. And
     although Bush himself may be nearing the end of his White House
     residency, our determination and our demands will have to grow even
     stronger, more than ever, whoever the next president of the empire
     may be.

     So, friends, I'm asking you to join me to take my court case and 
make it
     yet another way all of us can stand up to resist this intolerable
     war and occupation, and the whole Bush trajectory along with it.


       What can you do to help?

     * PACK THE COURTROOM -- be there with me for the pretrial hearing.
     When anyone faces criminal charges for political activism, it is so
     important to show that this is not a lone individual, but that we
     are a large, united community. Your presence makes visible that our
     protest and resistance will not be silenced, because it's absolutely
     right to oppose these recruiters and this war.

         MONDAY, AUG. 4, 2008
         9:00 AM
         Dept. #104, Wiley W. Manuel Courthouse Criminal Div.
         661 Washington St.
         Oakland, CA 94607

     * CONTRIBUTE TO THE LEGAL DEFENSE FUND today. Several thousand
     dollars in legal fees and expenses must be covered very soon. We ask
     you to DONATE WHAT YOU CAN and forward this email ASKING OTHERS to
     join you.

         Write checks to "World Can't Wait"
         - write "legal fund" in the memo line
         Mail to World Can't Wait, 2940-16th St., Rm. 200-6,
         San Francisco CA 94103

     * EMAIL ME at: sf at worldcantwait.org <mailto:sf at worldcantwait.org> if
     you can help in other ways - WCW wants to get this case widely known
     through the press and through outreach to many communities. Let me
     know how we can work together to do this.


     The World Can't Wait!
     Stephanie Tang
     Organizer, SF Bay Area WCW
     415-864-5153


------------------------------------------------------------------------

Enough! The World Can't Wait!
Drive Out the Bush Regime!
Impeach Bush & Cheney for War Crimes!


Donate generously . . .

- An East Bay homeowner just donated $250 toward the "Fire John Yoo"
billboard.
- Another woman who can't afford to miss work for the protest sent a 
check for
$100.
- Two local business owners continue to generously donate their space
for WCW events.

WCW is an all volunteer organization. It is a vehicle for the change we
need NOW. Funds from you are the fuel this vehicle needs. Give all you can.


NOTE: Tax deductible contributions are not available with this PayPal
"Donate Button"


Make checks payable to: "SF World Can't Wait"

Mail to: 2940 16th Street, Room 200-6, San Francisco, CA 94103,
or donate on-line at worldcantwait.org.
TAX DEDUCTIBLE DONATION INFO:
To make a tax deductible donation of $100 or more in support of WCW's
educational activities, checks should be made out to: "The Alliance for
Global Justice," a 501(3)(c) organization, and designate "for WCW" in
the check memo line. The Alliance for Global Justice latest financial
report is available at their offices: 1247 E St. SE, Washington, D.C. 20003
MAIL ALL CHECKS TO:
SF World Can't Wait
2940 16th St., Rm 200-6
San Francisco, CA 94103

www.sfbaycantwait.org

415-864-5153
sf at worldcantwait.org <mailto:sf at worldcantwait.org>

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SF Bay World Can't Wait

sf at worldcantwait.org <mailto:sf at worldcantwait.org>

415-864-5153
2940 16th Street, Room 200-6
San Francisco, CA 94103

www.sfbaycantwait.org

IMPORTANT!!!

Your help is always needed for publicity and outreach. We have posters
and flyers to get out everywhere, as well as programs, media,
decorations, and literature tables. Call the WCW office (415) 864-5153
to volunteer!



World Can't Wait! Drive Out the Bush Regime! | 2940 16th Street, Room
200-6 | San Francisco | CA | 94103





From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 06:16:08 2008
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:16:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] eCFL not as green as we thought
Message-ID: <795456.21609.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/07/27/eco.flourescent/index.html



Save energy -- two words that have rapidly become a modern day mantra.
But some are now asking, at what cost? One person asking that question
is City University of Hong Kong's
professor Ron Hui, chairman of the electronic engineering department,
and co-author of a recent paper published in a peer-reviewed journal on
the environmental impact of fluorescent lighting. Hui has a
problem with compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs), specifically
electronic ones. He wants them out of people's homes as much as an
increasing number of governments around the world want incandescent
light bulbs out of our homes. Hui wants them replaced by magnetic CFLs
instead. Why? CNN spoke recently with Professor Hui.



-Edward




      
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 31 10:34:02 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:34:02 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Meiers and Bolton Must Testify, Court Rules
Message-ID: <BAY115-W21639E3929C1B7390603AF9E7C0@phx.gbl>


But Rep. Lamar Smith, a member of the Judiciary Committee warns that 
 ?today?s victory may be short-lived.?  He added:  ?If the
administration 
appeals the ruling, our congressional prerogatives will
once again be put
 at risk.?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25949309/



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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 31 12:42:04 2008
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:42:04 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] meeting agenda for August 6-th
Message-ID: <4892158C.6070409@sbcglobal.net>

My first reading of the agenda for the plenary at the end of August
reveals a need for discussion on three platform planks   (agenda item)

California Tax Reform
Green Science
Water

because our delegates will be asked to vote on these items.

The details are in the agenda packet which requires a password to access.
Contact a county council member for info on the password.

The complete agenda packet  is a 34 page document in pdf format.
3 pages for the tax reform plank
2 1/2 pages for the green science plank
14 pages for the water plank

And of course, positions will be taken on the ballot measures and 
initiatives.
So here too, instructions for the delegates are needed.  (agenda item)

As well as selection of the delegates.  (agenda item)

There is a lot to do at the next monthly meeting.