[Sosfbay-discuss] To Drew and his Friends

[Drew Johnson]

Oh I am working this through in a Green way.  I took it straight to the
County Council who has purview over this.  Even though there is no formal
procedure for working these things through, the County Councils are more
than capable of figuring out how to deal with them.

Jim has operated as if he were the definer of what that list is for and I
hate to break the news to him, but its a Green Party asset, not his
private list.  So its something for the Grassroots Democracy of our
membership (including the folks on THIS list and the folks in the other
part of the region, San Mateo) and for the respective County Councils of
the two counties to figure out.  Also these two county parties are in
control of recalling Jim from his trusted position as a Regional Rep.

To my mind anyone who would write so disrespectfully as Jim has right here
on this list to anyone who disagrees with him is patently unfit to
represent our region to the GPCA Coordinating Committee (CC).  His
behavior has been part of the dynamic that has kept the CC in turmoil lo
these many months.

As one of the Factional Fanatics (in his case he fights for the Jo
Chamberlain/Peter Camejo Faction this sectarian division has been
absolutely devastating to the GPCA.  When people bitterly complain and
roll their eyes about how bad its been on the CC, just remember that Jim
was a key contributor to that whole fiasco.  Unfortunately he projects so
much (as he did below) that when someone challenges him on his out of
control behavior as I have he just dismisses it (as he did below) instead
of HIM GETTING THE ANGER MANAGEMENT HELP THAT HE SO OBVIOUSLY NEEDS.  HE
CAN NOT BE BOTHERED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE MEMBERS OF THE GPSC AND HIS
ARROGANCE IS DISPLAYED HERE IN SPADES.



Green is Connection!

Drew

On Thu, July 17, 2008 01:14, Merriam Kathaleen wrote:
> Ok, everybody enough is enough.  Drew,  it may be entirely true that you
> overstepped your bounds by making the Regional list into a discuss
> list.  If the Regional list is only for regional business then maybe you
> need to do your posting of discussions items to the sosfbay-discuss list
> instead.  I would really like to see you and Jim Stauffer come to an
> amiable conclusion to this issue.  Drew, you are who your are and Jim is
> who he is and you both care about our Green Party.  So, both of you
> please find a common ground to agree on and stop this "spitting" at one
> another, it is not accomplishing anything.  Drew, if it is that
> important to you to be on the Regional list then please
> find a better way to influence our opinions then by creating all this
> drama. When someone is taken off a list isn't there some form of
> recourse to follow, such as calling for a vote among the Regional group
> instead of getting all of us, who are not in the Regional group,
> nvolved?  Drew, please find a "Green" way to get reinstated on the
> Regional list.
>
> Merriam
>
>
> justvegan at mac.com wrote:
>> Dear Jim,
>>
>> What's up? Scientists say there will be no ice at the North Pole come
>> *this* Summertime. And, if we continue doing things the non-Green way,
>> there will be no ice at all anywhere in five years from now.
>> Corporations own the governments, the police forces, and the armies.
>> We're f**ked in so many ways right now I cannot even begin to express
>> my angst towards these evil doers who are bringing Earth to its demise.
>>
>> On the flip-side the only hope us awoken folks have at not seeing an
>> end to everything we know is through the masses. The masses who need
>> to be woken up. And it's going to take Drew, yourself, me, and a whole
>> bunch of other folks to get the message out working night and day.
>> Sadly, thus far, for at least the last few days, it seems that you
>> have spent a goodly amount of your valuable time trying to be right.
>> Why?
>>
>> Like I said in my first email regarding your angst towards Drew, with
>> all that's going on right now, everything really does matter and
>> everything is truly connected. For instance, folks who educate others
>> about 9/11 and who really did the deed have everything in common with
>> folks who are calling for impeachment. Yep, folks who are calling for
>> impeachment ultimately want to uncover EVERYTHING Bush and His cohorts
>> have done which will most certainly unravel the whole 9/11 mess.
>> Moreover, impeachment will also get to the bottom of how Bush has shut
>> down warnings about Global Climate Change and how we really are to
>> blame for it.
>>
>> Thus, please turn your energies towards what all of of are trying to
>> accomplish -- saving Mother Earth and all of its inhabitants from the
>> ravages of the Corporations.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Randy W. Sandberg
>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Drew, you seriously need to see a therapist. You're embarrassing
>>> yourself
>>> with these lies, as you have so often embarrassed the Green Party.
>>> Get some
>>> help!
>>>
>>> To those of you who appear to believe any lie that Drew spits out,
>>> why don't
>>> you find something meaningful to do with your lives instead of
>>> attacking
>>> people on email lists.
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in hearing anything more from any of you. I'm
>>> unsubscribing from this list.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> No No Jim. You got that entirely backwards.  Caroline deserves THE
>>>> RESPECT
>>>> as a Couunty Council member which you just deprived her of. Though
>>>> you
>>>> also have not been on the Council for many years, we TRY to give you
>>>> respect DESPITE your OUTRAGEOUS OUTBURSTS OF ANGER WHICH HAVE
>>>> DRIVEN MANY
>>>> ACTIVISTS AWAY FROM OUR PARTY.  While you are currently serving as
>>>> our
>>>> Regional Rep to the Coordinating Committee none of this gives you
>>>> justification to operate as a tin plated dictator in this way.
>>>>
>>>> Since YOU are the one taking the completely ungreen, rageaholic,
>>>> tyranous,
>>>> abusive censorious, exclusionary, arbitrary, unilateral, high
>>>> handed and
>>>> unreasonable action YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO EXPLAIN TO
>>>> EVERYONE why
>>>> you think that you have the right to knock a County Council emeritus
>>>> member off the list for posting about news of vital interest to
>>>> Green in
>>>> the region.
>>>>
>>>> IMO, instead of subjecting us all to these periodically terrorizing
>>>> angry
>>>> outbursts that Jim indulges himself in and sprays everyone around
>>>> himself
>>>> in, Jim Stauffer needs to get himself to anger management classes
>>>> ASAP and
>>>> take a timeout from party work to get his head straightened out about
>>>> treating others with respect and dignity.  Its a matter of taking
>>>> personal
>>>> responsibility for his own behavior.  How many people have been
>>>> driven
>>>> away from this party over the years by Jim personally would be
>>>> difficult
>>>> to guess.  While he provides much knowledge from having been at key
>>>> positions over the years Jim's extremely ungreen behavior entirely
>>>> detracts from the value he'd otherwise be able to provide.  Let him
>>>> get
>>>> himself together so that he can operate as a real Green rather than a
>>>> madman and THEN he will be well enough to fully contribute.
>>>>
>>>> Jim's archnemesis, Mike Feinstein recently took himself mostly out
>>>> of the
>>>> state party mix.  Jim would do very well to do the same.  It would
>>>> do him,
>>>> the GPCA AND the GPSC a WORLD OF GOOD.  We should not be subjected
>>>> to the
>>>> factional fanaticism that the factional alphas like Jo Chamberlain,
>>>> Peter
>>>> Camejo, on the one side of the factional divide or Mike Feinstein
>>>> on the
>>>> other OR their their loyal foot soldiers like Jim Stauffer (of the Jo
>>>> Chamberlain/ Peter Camejo faction) that keep that fire alive.
>>>>
>>>> EVERYONE GET THIS:  The post that Jim knocked me off after was the
>>>> one
>>>> about McKinney's choice for VP running mate, Rosa Clemente!!!!  The
>>>> post I
>>>> was about to put on was an official GP-US release describing our new
>>>> nominee, Cynthia McKinney and her running mate.  I was AT THE
>>>> CONVENTION,
>>>> TRYING TO PROVIDE CURRENT NEWS TO OUR REGION!!!  HELLO!!! Jim's
>>>> behavior
>>>> is just out of control IMO.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but Jim's is the one completely confused about what
>>>> constitutes
>>>> items of interest and concern to Greens across the region.
>>>>
>>>> EVERYONE GET THIS: The volume on the list in question is a
>>>> trickle!!!  Its
>>>> hardly used at all!!!  This is a completely in Stauffer's head-only
>>>> artificial situation due to Jim's amazingly cramped interpretation
>>>> of what
>>>> is of interest to Green in the regional
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking that Jim may have altered the list's purpose statement
>>>> recently because i seem to recall it was longer, broader and more
>>>> inclusive previously. But whether or not this is the case, here's
>>>> what it
>>>> says today:
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm
>>>>
>>>> "This list is to facilitate communications between SC and SM
>>>> counties on
>>>> regional issues."
>>>>
>>>> Notice this says NOTHING about it being County Council ONLY
>>>> business or
>>>> that ONLY County Council members can post.  Notice it gives no
>>>> restrictions (nor should it) as to how.  Notice it does not say
>>>> that Jim
>>>> Stauffer is the definer of ANYTHING, or that he has the authority to
>>>> suddenly, arbitrarily and with prejuce boot County Councilor emeritus
>>>> members off the list (it doesn't even assert that he has ANYTHING
>>>> TO DO
>>>> WITH THE LIST WHATSOVER).
>>>>
>>>> Jim seems to want to treat the SC-SM list as if it were the Red
>>>> Phone,
>>>> connecting the White House to the Kremlin, only to be used in the
>>>> direst
>>>> of emergencies.  Or as a fire that you have to break the glass in
>>>> order to
>>>> use.  The SC-SM list is treated as if it were so precious it just can
>>>> never be used.  Rubbish!!!  Our party resources NEED to be
>>>> exercised in
>>>> order to actually make a difference.  Duh!
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I say:
>>>>
>>>> When our region needs to mobilize to run our races as we do with our
>>>> presidential race, ITS REGIONAL BUSINESS.  When we need to talk
>>>> about how
>>>> we run Carol Brouillet's race (in the 14th district which spans
>>>> both San
>>>> Mateo and Santa Clara county) its regional business.  Heck Barry
>>>> Hermanson's and Peter Myer's run to some smaller extent is regional
>>>> business.
>>>>
>>>> When we need to organize civil rights actions (including
>>>> impeachment) we
>>>> need to communicate it across the whole region.
>>>>
>>>> When we have events we want both county member's to participate in,
>>>> such
>>>> as Tian's parties, its regional business.  Several SM members
>>>> joined us at
>>>> the last, fun and wonderful election night party at Tian's.  Note
>>>> that Jim
>>>> was not a participant.
>>>>
>>>> This SM-SC list is for COMMUNICATION, not to hamper, construct,
>>>> censor
>>>> communication.  I received a number of private e-mails previously
>>>> re: the
>>>> posts I'd put up on the SC-SM list by people who felt intimidated
>>>> by the
>>>> wrathful Jim Stauffer and so didn't want to expose themselves to his
>>>> abusive wrath.  IF PEOPLE DO NOT WISH TO READ A POSTING THEY MAY
>>>> SIMPLY
>>>> IGNORE IT OR HIT THE DELETE BUTTON.  THEY DO NOT NEED TO TRY TO
>>>> DICTATE TO
>>>> OTHERS HOW TO COMMUNICATE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Green is Connection!
>>>>
>>>> Drew Johnson
>>>> County Council Emeritus and Delegate to the Green National Committee
>>>> (among many, many other contributions)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:40, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Caroline -
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you are County Councilor you need to explain your accusation
>>>>> of
>>>>> "esclusion and censorship."
>>>>>
>>>>> Specifically, how is it censorship when anyone who wants to read
>>>>> Drew's
>>>>> post
>>>>> can do so on this list? No one on the other list asked him to copy
>>>>> his
>>>>> messages there and no one has complained about his removal.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to make a claim of exclusion, then you'll have to make
>>>>> that
>>>>> claim against most of the lists in the state party. Most lists are
>>>>> "closed"
>>>>> lists for committees or some other specialized purpose. The
>>>>> membership is
>>>>> controlled by the list members themselves, and general discussion
>>>>> topics
>>>>> are
>>>>> not allowed. Such is the list from which Drew was removed.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a person who now holds a position of responsibility in this
>>>>> organization, please explain how this is exclusion and censorship.
>>>>> Those
>>>>>
>>>> are strong accusations.
>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought the Green Party was about inclusion and operating on
>>>>>> the best
>>>>>> information available, not esclusion and censorship. Anyone who
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> want to read Drew's e-mails has only to delete them. Green is
>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>> Caroline