From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Sun Nov 2 09:20:32 2008 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (cls) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:20:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] yesterday Message-ID: <20081102172032.58E4C6A8F5@truffula.sj.ca.us> I voted on a paper ballot yesterday. The registrar's office was crowded with the most diverse crowd I've seen there. Upbeat and energetic. Lots of young people. I had the pleasure of voting for registered Greens for President and congress. When I got home, there was Peter Myers on channel 36, sounding smart and sincere and professional. -Cameron From alexcathy at aol.com Sun Nov 2 09:40:45 2008 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Why I Won't Vote for ANY California Democrat Message-ID: <8CB0B2944DE3F86-1328-6F8@WEBMAIL-MZ06.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends,? I finally posted my statement on the 2008 Elections on blog at California Greening and also on "Open Salon"? Why I Won't Vote for ANY California Democrat by Alex Walker Posted on California Greening, Sunday, November 2, 2008 California is going for Democrat Barack Obama 55% to 33% according to a Field Poll released Thursday before the election. If this holds up, it will be the biggest California landslide by any candidate (including Californian Ronald Reagan) since World War II. Very well. My "Brotha" Barack does not need my vote, and since pumping up Dem totals only encourages my local scoundrels, I won't vote for any Democrat in California. All politics is local. Surf the Internet and you'll find thousands of posts about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, China, Russia, India, Israel, and Palestine. Across the political spectrum, intellectuals obsess over world affairs. Want to know how the U.S.A. got into this mess? Want to know how we were overwhelmed by cynicism, divisiveness, demagoguery, "Pay-To-Play" governance, and sleaze? It didn't start in that mythical "Washington." It started in places like little Wasilla, Alaska... and big Los Angeles. I could write a long book about this. Today, I'll be brief, and just list the Dem screw-ups. One great thing about the Internet is that you don't have to take my word for it. Go to my Blog Post and find links to MSM stories about two-dozen major screw-ups in One-Party Democratic Los Angeles County Read More at: California Greening: http://cagreening.blogspot.com Open Salon: http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=37226 Please Go to one of the blogs and post a comment. Alex Walker Los Angeles Greens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 12:39:04 2008 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:39:04 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Campaign Signs Message-ID: I'd suggest putting up campaign signs even at this late date, and in fact even AFTER the polls close. 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That settled it for me -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Yesterday I walked precincts for Carol Brouillet and Laura Macias. I still have about 62 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 00:07:42 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:07:42 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Obama wins in earliest vote in tiny Dixville, NH Message-ID: <491002CE.4060600@earthlink.net> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5grwUADvRzUMaEoHj9bHMtdylvOLAD947UING0 From andid at cagreens.org Tue Nov 4 16:09:49 2008 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:09:49 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] KPFA is running Amy Goodman from 4 PM to 8 PM!!! And... Message-ID: <681A905C-DBE0-4852-9291-312E142173CF@cagreens.org> Election coverage will continue most of the evening! Andrea KPFA 94.1 FM Online also!!! From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Nov 5 00:39:17 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:39:17 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Early national results Message-ID: <49115BB5.6090409@aceweb.com> 1:00 EST Update. Popular Vote. With 76% of the vote counted, here is the popular vote. Candidate Party Votes Pct Barack Obama Democratic 51,978,612 51.32% John McCain Republican 48,071,755 47.47% Ralph Nader (none) 511,871 0.51% Bob Barr Libertarian 404,756 0.40% Chuck Baldwin Constitution 142,613 0.14% Cynthia McKinney Green 117,367 0.12% Alan Keyes (none) 17,757 0.02% Ron Paul (none) 13,961 0.01% Roger Calero Socialist Workers 6,762 0.01% GloriaLa Riva PSL 6,697 0.01% I really enjoyed Barak Obama's acceptance speech. What an evening! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org This morning I voted. Now it's all over but for finding out the results. I still have about 47 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers. From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Nov 5 00:55:46 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:55:46 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Early California Statewide Results Message-ID: <49115F92.9010506@aceweb.com> Barack Obama (Dem) 4,048,559 59.4% John McCain (Rep) 2,641,813 38.8% Alan Keyes (AI) 21,031 0.3% Cynthia McKinney (Grn) 18,504 0.2% Bob Barr (Lib) 33,983 0.5% Ralph Nader (P&F) 54,512 0.8% 60.1% ( 15,282 of 25,423 ) precincts partially or fully reporting as of Nov. 5, 2008, at 12:39 a.m. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org This morning I voted. Now it's all over but for finding out the results. I still have about 54 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers. From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Nov 5 01:03:08 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:03:08 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Early California Statewide Results In-Reply-To: <49115F92.9010506@aceweb.com> References: <49115F92.9010506@aceweb.com> Message-ID: <4911614C.60305@aceweb.com> 1A Y Safe, Reliable High-Speed Train Bond Act 3,431,398 51.6% 3,223,866 48.4% Map 2 Y Standards for Confining Farm Animals 4,218,463 62.5% 2,539,413 37.5% Map 3 Y Children's Hospital Bond Act. Grant Program. 3,499,813 53.0% 3,116,050 47.0% Map 4 N Parent Notif. Before Terminating Minor's Pregnancy 3,228,018 47.7% 3,525,923 52.3% Map 5 N Nonviolent Drug Offense. Sentencing, Parole, Rehab 2,617,552 39.3% 4,033,357 60.7% Map 6 N Police, Law Enforcement Funding. Criminal Laws. 1,966,412 30.2% 4,527,745 69.8% Map 7 N Renewable Energy Generation 2,282,583 34.4% 4,351,717 65.6% Map 8 Y Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry 3,676,517 52.7% 3,305,440 47.3% Map 9 Y Criminal Justice System. Victims' Rights. Parole. 3,471,357 53.4% 3,032,168 46.6% Map 10 N Altern. Fuel Vehicles and Renewable Energy Bonds 2,564,355 38.9% 4,022,086 61.1% Map 11 Y Redistricting 3,234,422 51.3% 3,075,486 48.7% Map 12 Y Veterans' Bond 4,057,303 62.8% 2,405,688 37.2% Map Tian Harter wrote: > Barack Obama (Dem) 4,048,559 59.4% > John McCain (Rep) 2,641,813 38.8% > Alan Keyes (AI) 21,031 0.3% > Cynthia McKinney (Grn) 18,504 0.2% > Bob Barr (Lib) 33,983 0.5% > Ralph Nader (P&F) 54,512 0.8% > > 60.1% ( 15,282 of 25,423 ) precincts partially > or fully reporting as of Nov. 5, 2008, at 12:39 a.m. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org This morning I voted. Now it's all over but for finding out the results. I still have about 54 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers. From carolineyacoub at att.net Wed Nov 5 08:52:05 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:52:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] student volunteer In-Reply-To: <4910B2C4.7010408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <810231.17146.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's Fall, and there are a lot of people in Sunnyvale who can't rake their leaves or clean their gutters. How about I drive a small crew around with rakes and ladders and we volunteer to do this work, while my van is parked out front with a big "The Green Party Cares" sign on it? Caroline --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Jim Doyle wrote: From: Jim Doyle Subject: student volunteer To: "andrea dorey" , "dana St George" , "gerrygras" , "Wesley Rolley" , "Rob Means" , carolineyacoub at att.net, "Jim Doyle" , "Carol Brouillet" , "Peter Myers" Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:38 PM Gerry Gras wrote I just got a call from someone in Sunnyvale who needs 10 hours of community service volunteer work to get school credit. Can we halp him? Gerry Can you suggest how we can help this person? And the Green Party at the same time, of course. He came to us. Are we going to turn him down or let him go away empty handed - with an aftertaste re the Green Party? There is also another person in the wings who is willing to volunteer for one hour per month. Please put on your thinking caps and produce some suggestions for tasks for community service and for an ongoing program for monthly volunteers. Jim Doyle P.S. 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URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Nov 5 13:30:34 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:30:34 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Is there a meeting tonight? Agenda? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4912107A.7030708@aceweb.com> I plan to be there. I'm not worried about the agenda right now... WB4D23 at aol.com wrote: > Today is the first Wednesday of the month. Is there a GPSCC meeting > tonight? An Agenda? Warner > > > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org This morning I voted. Now it's all over but for finding out the results. I still have about 54 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers. From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Nov 5 13:40:55 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:40:55 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] student volunteer In-Reply-To: <810231.17146.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <810231.17146.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <491212E7.40309@aceweb.com> Let's put that on the agenda for this evening... Caroline Yacoub wrote: > It's Fall, and there are a lot of people in Sunnyvale who can't rake > their leaves or clean their gutters. How about I drive a small crew > around with rakes and ladders and we volunteer to do this work, while my > van is parked out front with a big "The Green Party Cares" sign on it? > Caroline > > --- On *Tue, 11/4/08, Jim Doyle //* wrote: > > From: Jim Doyle > Subject: student volunteer > To: "andrea dorey" , "dana St George" > , "gerrygras" , "Wesley > Rolley" , "Rob Means" > , carolineyacoub at att.net, "Jim Doyle" > , "Carol Brouillet" , > "Peter Myers" > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:38 PM > > Gerry Gras wrote > I just got a call from someone in Sunnyvale who > needs 10 hours of community service volunteer > work to get school credit. > > Can we halp him? > > Gerry > > Can you suggest how we can help this person? > And the Green Party at the same time, of course. > He came to us. > Are we going to turn him down or let him go away empty handed - > with an aftertaste re the Green Party? > > There is also another person in the wings who is willing to volunteer for > one hour per month. > > Please put on your thinking caps and produce some suggestions > for tasks for community service and for an ongoing program for > monthly volunteers. > > Jim Doyle > > P.S. Tabling at Junior State Saturday November 22-nd and at the > Holiday Peace Fair Saturday December 6-th. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Tian http://tian.greens.org This morning I voted. Now it's all over but for finding out the results. I still have about 54 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers. From wrolley at charter.net Wed Nov 5 13:38:22 2008 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:38:22 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Meeting this week Message-ID: <4912124E.3080700@charter.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From eameece at california.com Wed Nov 5 17:32:03 2008 From: eameece at california.com (Eric A Meece) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:32:03 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Early national results In-Reply-To: <49115BB5.6090409@aceweb.com> References: <49115BB5.6090409@aceweb.com> Message-ID: If you have more recent figures that would be useful; CA had not come in as of these figures. Obama is up 52 1/2 to 46 % now. Or where can we find the updated figures? Thanks; Eric the Green ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tian Harter" To: "Post South SF Bay discus" Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Early national results > 1:00 EST Update. Popular Vote. > > With 76% of the vote counted, here is the popular vote. > Candidate Party Votes Pct > Barack Obama Democratic 51,978,612 51.32% > John McCain Republican 48,071,755 47.47% > Ralph Nader (none) 511,871 0.51% > Bob Barr Libertarian 404,756 0.40% > Chuck Baldwin Constitution 142,613 0.14% > Cynthia McKinney Green 117,367 0.12% > Alan Keyes (none) 17,757 0.02% > Ron Paul (none) 13,961 0.01% > Roger Calero Socialist Workers 6,762 0.01% > GloriaLa Riva PSL 6,697 0.01% > > I really enjoyed Barak Obama's acceptance speech. What an evening! > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > This morning I voted. Now it's all over but for finding out the results. > I still have about 47 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From tnharter at aceweb.com Thu Nov 6 12:57:08 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:57:08 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Early national results In-Reply-To: References: <49115BB5.6090409@aceweb.com> Message-ID: <49135A24.9080703@aceweb.com> Up to the minute results are on this page: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/allcandidates/ This is what I saw around noonish 11/6: Obama 64,356,805 53% McCain 56,699,397 46% Nader 663,713 1% Barr 492,022 0% Baldwin 176,581 0% McKinney 143,746 0% Keyes 35,274 0% Paul 19,852 0% La Riva 7,568 0% Calero 7,180 0% Moore 6,547 0% None of these candidates* 6,251 0% Duncan 3,703 0% Harris 2,447 0% Jay 2,330 0% Polachek 1,223 0% McEnulty 771 0% Wamboldt 770 0% Stevens 701 0% Amondson 636 0% Boss 603 0% Phillies 509 0% Weill 470 0% Allen 301 0% Lyttle 103 0% *None of these candidates is only on the ballot in Nevada. Traditionally, a candidate has to earn more votes than this to deserve bragging rights from their campaign for President. Eric A Meece wrote: > If you have more recent figures that would be useful; CA had not come in > as of these figures. Obama is up 52 1/2 to 46 % now. > Or where can we find the updated figures? Thanks; > Eric the Green > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tian Harter" > To: "Post South SF Bay discus" > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:39 AM > Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Early national results > > >> 1:00 EST Update. Popular Vote. >> >> With 76% of the vote counted, here is the popular vote. >> Candidate Party Votes Pct >> Barack Obama Democratic 51,978,612 51.32% >> John McCain Republican 48,071,755 47.47% >> Ralph Nader (none) 511,871 0.51% >> Bob Barr Libertarian 404,756 0.40% >> Chuck Baldwin Constitution 142,613 0.14% >> Cynthia McKinney Green 117,367 0.12% >> Alan Keyes (none) 17,757 0.02% >> Ron Paul (none) 13,961 0.01% >> Roger Calero Socialist Workers 6,762 0.01% >> GloriaLa Riva PSL 6,697 0.01% >> >> I really enjoyed Barak Obama's acceptance speech. What an evening! >> -- >> Tian >> http://tian.greens.org >> This morning I voted. Now it's all over but for finding out the results. >> I still have about 47 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers. >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org This morning I voted. Now it's all over but for finding out the results. I still have about 47 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers. From fredd at freeshell.org Thu Nov 6 13:31:15 2008 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:31:15 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: What Next for President Elect Obama (Alternet asks experts)] Message-ID: <49136223.4060302@freeshell.org> Here is the medley of of expectations by several progressive pundits I referred to at last night's GPSCC monthly meeting Fred D. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: What Next for President Elect Obama (Alternet asks experts) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:22:56 -0800 From: Antonia Juhasz To: fredd at freeshell.org AlterNet OK Barack, Time to Hit the Ground Running By , AlterNet Posted on November 5, 2008, Printed on November 5, 2008 www.alternet.org/story/106106/ (GO TO ORIGINAL AND POST YOUR COMMENTS) AlterNet asked dozens of writers, experts and activists on key issues to write about where the country needs to go, and the priorities for Barack Obama's early days in office. The following is the first in a series of articles we'll be running this week. Michael Ratner, President, Center for Constitutional Rights: It is historic. A black family in the White House that slaves built. Yes, slaves were used in the construction of the White House. When I was a child this never could have happened. In the 50's when I visited Florida, even after Brown v. Board of Education, there were separate drinking fountains and bathrooms for Blacks. When Center for Constitutional Rights was founded in the 60's there were only three elected Black officials in the Black belt; today there are thousands. So we are seeing an amazing moment in American history. This is not to say our work is done. Obama is not a progressive. But he is certainly more liberal than Bush and McCain. He will redistribute some of the vast wealth that has gone to rich in a county that has plundered its poor since Reagan in 1981. It will not be a social democracy, but it will better than what we had. The disastrous economic crisis is pushing him in this direction, but citizenry will need to keep up the pressure. Obama has been disappointing regarding the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. These must be ended and time is now; the time to revive our anti-war movement is now. We cannot await what Obama might do: he has already told us about wanting to send more troops in Afghanistan. We must push him to end the current wars and eradicate the poison of aggressive war. Obama has promised to close Guantanamo and end torture. We must hold him to that promise. He must close secret CIA sites and off shore prisons. He must end the kangaroo courts called military commissions. He must end the massive surveillance state America has become. Finally, he must appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the war crimes of the Bush administration: the aggressive war in Iraq, torture and warrantless wiretapping. In short he must bring America back into the world of civilized states where fundamental rights and the prohibition on aggressive war are not just slogans but guide U.S. actions. *** Dahlia Lithwick, contributing editor at Newsweek and senior editor at Slate: Hit "control+ alt + delete" on the Rule of Law. Literally restart the whole system like its 2000 again. That means: Close Guantanamo and either try or release the remaining prisoners in real tribunals. Renounce water-boarding. Re-assert that the Geneva Conventions still matter. Do away with the Patriot Act reforms that allowed abuse ranging from "national security letters" to terrorizing librarians. Restore FISA. Stop using the "state secrets" to shield judicial scrutiny into government wrongdoing. Ditto for blanket claims of executive privilege for anyone who's ever muttered a word to the president. Stop with the cryptic and deceptive signing statements. Stop snipe hunting vote fraud. A lot of new "law" was invented over the past eight years. But legal? Not so much. *** John Cusack, Actor, Director (War, Inc., Grace is Gone): The world looks to America. The planet sighs in relief. It deserves a righteous party. And now, the real work begins. The first thing Obama should do is pray. I would hope he would start to dismantle the infrastructure of the occupation of Iraq. And make transparent the gorging on the state -- cut off these corporate interests and start reallocating money back into the United States infrastructure and people. *** Antonia Juhasz, author, The Tyranny of Oil: the World's Most Powerful Industry -- And What We Must Do To Stop It (HarperCollins Publishers, October 7, 2008). www.TyrannyofOil.org To President Elect Obama: Be Bold. Take on Big Oil and undo the disastrously failed economic, military, energy, and deregulatory policies of the past. Big Oil has guided public policy down a disastrous road, standing as an obstacle to the fulfillment of critical social movements against war, a failing economy, and global warming. Renounce and undo the use of the U.S. military as an oil protective force beginning with immediately and unequivocally ending the Iraq war. Make the reintroduction of regulation, enforcement, and taxation of this industry from the production, refining, marketing, transport, to the disposal of its products a vital heart of your administration. Reintroduce the moratoriums on offshore drilling and shale oil development. Fully and finally close the "Enron Loophole" and consider whether it is appropriate to trade a good as fundamental as crude on futures exchanges. Rather than "cap and trade" pollution, ban it through regulation. Eliminate industry subsidies, collect royalties, i! mplement a windfall profits tax, increase gasoline taxes, and increase corporate taxation broadly to help Americans reduce consumption of all oil products by using this money to fund a massive public works program (ala the WPA) in clean sustainable local public transportation and to fund local sustainable green energy alternatives. Reform lobbying, conflict of interest, and campaign finance laws to remove the stain of Big Oil's money from our democracy and fully embrace the Separation of Oil and State. Lead the world by example by making diplomacy, cooperation, negotiation, and international law--not war--the center of our international energy plan. *** Amie Newman, writer for RH Reality Check Hope is on the horizon. For the last eight years, women have suffered under an administration that has elevated ideology and politics above women's health and lives. In opposition to the expertise of the medical community, scientists and reproductive health advocates, the Bush administration has chosen to sacrifice women's health to advance its own agenda. To begin to turn the tides, in the first 100 days of a new administration, there are many pro-prevention, pro-education policies that should be implemented to improve the health outcomes for women and young people worldwide: overturning the Global Gag Rule, taking action on ensuring the availability of publicly funded contraception for low-income women, defunding failed abstinence only programs in favor of proven, effective comprehensive sex ed programs, passing the Freedom of Choice Act. But you know what I would most love to see from our new president in the first 100 days? Honestly? A new way of talking about sexual and reproductive health and rights that shows that he gets it. Give a substantive, sincere Agenda For Women's Health speech that makes the link between safe, legal abortion and maternal mortality rates. Talk about the connection between access to contraception for all women and unintended pregnancy rates. Let the young people of this nation know that you trust them enough to push for science-based comprehensive sex ed. Set the stage for a new way of approaching critical sexual and reproductive health and rights issues that tells the rest of the world that the United States is ready to become the health and rights leader it needs to be. *** Roberto Lovato, Roberto Lovato, frequent Nation contributor, New York-based writer with New America Media. Before anything, I'd like to congratulate Sen. Obama for his astonishing campaign. First and foremost, I'd like to see an Obama administration bring rationality and transparency back to the art of government, the science of statecraft. Obama should, for example, end immediately the dangerously irrational rise of miltarized immigration policy -- deploying heavily-armed Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents to terrorize gardners, maids and their children in their homes, schools and workplaces, denying these families habeas corpus and jailing hundreds of thousands of them under the Guantanamo-like conditions of jails run by corrupt companies. Rather than try to reform ICE, one of the most violent, inefficient and militarized branches of government, the Obama Administration should take government immigration functions out of the massive and militarized bureaucracy of the Department of Homeland Security. For most of the history of immigration policy, immigration-relate! d matters have been handled by non-militarized branches of government like the Department of Labor and others. Lastly, an Obama Administration should set a more humane and rational tone around immigration, a tone that shuts down the borders of irrationality and violence in government while also fostering greater understanding of and openness to the geopolitical, legal and other complexities of immigration today. *** Dean Baker, Co-Director, Center for Economic and Policy Research President Obama is coming into office at a time of great risks and enormous opportunity. He can turn the current economic crisis to his advantage by extending national health care insurance as the centerpiece of a major economic stimulus package. Offering generous tax credits to businesses that don't already insure their workers (along with matching credits to businesses that improve their coverage) will quickly extend coverage to the vast majority of people who are not already covered. The extension of health care coverage should be accompanied by an opening up of a Medicare-type program to the whole country. This is important both because it will make it very easy for small businesses to simply opt for the Medicare program instead of spending hours comparing the details of various plans and also because a Medicare-type program will provide a mechanism to restrain costs. President Obama has a huge agenda to fill his terms in office, but if he succeeds in providing universal health coverage, he will have qualitatively changed peoples' lives in a way that will always be remembered. *** Ethan Nadelmann, executive director, Drug Policy Alliance What can a President Obama do about drugs? First, appoint a drug czar who will be more surgeon general than military general. Second, insist that science trump politics and prejudice. That means federal support for needle exchange programs that prevent HIV/AIDS and overdose prevention programs that save lives. It means eliminating the ideological barriers that criminalize the prescription of marijuana as medicine, and that prevent doctors from treating pain and addiction with whatever drugs work best. And it means stimulating honest and informed debate on all drug policy options, including decriminalization and legal regulation of drug markets. Third, eliminate harsh and racially discriminatory drug sentencing laws. Fourth, stop throwing taxpayer money down the drain on international drug control programs that can have no impact on drug problems within the United States. And fifth: boldly proclaim a "new bottom line" in U.S. drug policy -- one that rejects the empty rhetoric of zero tolerance and a drug free society, that acknowledges the reality that drugs are here to stay, and that insists upon policies that reduce the harms of both drug misuse and our failed prohibitionist policies. *** Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet Senior Fellow As historic, energetic and emotional as Tuesday's vote was, there are still many things that public officials need to do to improve how we vote in American to make the process more accessible, transparent and trustworthy. To start, every state should offer universal same-day registration, so qualified citizens can show up -- on Election Day or during early voting -- and present the necessary identification to register and then vote. Early voting should also be extended throughout the country, although there should be more voting centers so people do not have to wait half a day or more as was seen in Florida this year. Voters need to be accommodated, not made to jump through unnecessary bureaucratic hoops. Privatizing the voting process should be reversed, whether it is third-party groups paying workers to register low-income people -- because state social welfare agencies are not fulfilling their obligation to do so under federal law -- or private vendors that program the voting machinery itself. Software used in these computers should not be proprietary so the process can be more transparent to restore the public's trust. The nation needs to return to a paper-based voting system, where voters' marks on ballots leave no ambiguity who voted for who -- and vote count audits can be conducted to ensure that computer scanners are properly working. Election officials finally need the resources to make voting easy and accessible, instead of being a government backwater that only get attention several days a year. 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Message-ID: <689116.77908.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Green Part meeting, November 4, 2008 Those present (excuse me if I misspell or don't know your name) Jim Doyle--facilitator Fred Dupereau--timekeeper Tian Harter--vibes watcher Caroline Yacoub--notetaker Drew Johnson, Cameron, Carol Brouillet, Warner Blumberg, Peter Myers, Paul Coe, Merriam Kathlene, and Chris Cobb, an SJSU student who is writing a paper on social movements and has chosen to study us. ? In discussing the agenda, Warner brought up getting new reps to state party and whether or not we could host a state gathering some time in the next year. Fred thought we should cut out some items. Carol reminded us that Wes wants us to support Malik Rahim. ? Jim has medical problems and needs to cut back. He wants preparing the agenda and coordinating events to be rotating jobs. Peter said this will work better when the new computer system? is up. Caroline volunteered to do the agenda for December. PLEASE NOTICE THIS! SEND AGENDA ITEMS TO CAROLINE! Drew volunteered to coordinate tabling at Junior State at the Mariott on November 22. CONTACT HIM IF YOU CAN PARTICIPATE! Peter will coordinate the Holiday Peace Fair on Dec. 6. CONTACT HIM IF YOU CAN PARTICIPATE! ? We have a person who wants to give us 10 hours of community service. Ideas for utilizing this time included: 1)work on the computer project 2)remove dead addresses from our list 3) rake lawns and clean gutters for old/infirm people from a van with "The Green Party Cares" on the side. Warner said our liability insurance wouldn't cover this. Tian said the "Adopt a Highway" program takes half a day once a month. Caroline volunteered to call them. ? Trrasurer's Report Cameron transferred $1400 into our new account. Jim said we have. $200 in Guaranty Bank. We passed the hat and took in $60. ? Peter and Carol described their classroom experiences. They found them enjoyable and think we need to do more of this. ? Reports on Campaigning Peter got 5% of the vote in his district. He raised $2000. Carol got $1000. She ran 200 TV ads. They were $6.19 per ad in her zone. Jim figured we should raise $60,000 for a candidate if we hope to win. Merriam talked about newspaper ads. Peter said for the next meeting everybody should bring a name of a possible candidate for city council, etc. Drew said when we are talking to progressive politicians we should ask them to jooin us. Fred said we should work with other minority parties to achieve public financing. Merriam said we should get ourselves on commissions. Drew will organize a media group. CONTACT HIM IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE! ? We decided to send individual contributioms to Malik Rahim. ? Merriam said that on Sunday the 9th at 1:00 there will be an icecream social to celebrate the election being over at the Peace Center. She will also send us an e-mail about the Citizen's Transition Team. 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Anybody want to try to match my three recruits? - Peter Peter Myers pmyers42 at gmail.com http://www.p432689.com From fredd at freeshell.org Fri Nov 7 21:30:24 2008 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:30:24 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats Message-ID: <491523F0.4060108@freeshell.org> Based on today's SF Chronicle's vote counts of the California U.S House of Reps. and State Assembly election, I did some totaling - with a possible 17% margin of error. (As yet, no one has checked my arithmetic.) > The total number of votes the five California Green Party candidates received was 44,612. The average was 8,922. > The Libertarian Party's twenty one candidates received 240,227 votes. They averaged 11,438 votes, > The Peace and Freedom Party's five candidates received a total of 35,015. They averaged 7,003. > The two Independents (Cindy Sheehan and Thomas Lash) received a total of 64,793 votes. Their average was 32,397. > The total number of Independent and "Third Party" votes was 384,647. > The Libertarian party garnered about 62% of the non-DemoRepub votes. What can the Green Party of California deduce from these statistics? From tnharter at aceweb.com Sat Nov 8 01:14:29 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:14:29 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <491523F0.4060108@freeshell.org> References: <491523F0.4060108@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <49155875.1070001@aceweb.com> I deduce that we need to run many more candidates. How about that? Fred Duperrault wrote: > Based on today's SF Chronicle's vote counts of the California U.S House > of Reps. and State Assembly election, I did some totaling - with a > possible 17% margin of error. (As yet, no one has checked my arithmetic.) > > > The total number of votes the five California Green Party candidates > received was 44,612. > The average was 8,922. > > > The Libertarian Party's twenty one candidates received 240,227 > votes. They averaged > 11,438 votes, > > > The Peace and Freedom Party's five candidates received a total of > 35,015. They averaged > 7,003. > > > The two Independents (Cindy Sheehan and Thomas Lash) received a > total of 64,793 votes. > Their average was 32,397. > > > The total number of Independent and "Third Party" votes was 384,647. > > > The Libertarian party garnered about 62% of the non-DemoRepub votes. > > What can the Green Party of California deduce from these statistics? > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. I hit the "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the collage by my door with photons while I was hearing Wangari Mathai say "United States of America" on my radio. From wrolley at charter.net Sat Nov 8 08:16:43 2008 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:16:43 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <491523F0.4060108@freeshell.org> References: <491523F0.4060108@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <4915BB6B.4020800@charter.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Nov 8 08:54:22 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:54:22 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats References: <491523F0.4060108@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <4915C43E.4030106@earthlink.net> I looked at the results too. I did not do your arithmetic. But I thought that considering the landslide for Obama, the numbers for the left were not good. (People in most states clearly did not have to vote the lesser of 2 evils.) Anyone know how the numbers compare with 2004? I heard that Republicans have started an "inquest" into what went arong. If they think it is warranted for them, then I guess it is warranted for us. Gerry Fred Duperrault wrote: > Based on today's SF Chronicle's vote counts of the California U.S House > of Reps. and State Assembly election, I did some totaling - with a > possible 17% margin of error. (As yet, no one has checked my arithmetic.) > > > The total number of votes the five California Green Party candidates > received was 44,612. > The average was 8,922. > > > The Libertarian Party's twenty one candidates received 240,227 > votes. They averaged > 11,438 votes, > > > The Peace and Freedom Party's five candidates received a total of > 35,015. They averaged > 7,003. > > > The two Independents (Cindy Sheehan and Thomas Lash) received a > total of 64,793 votes. > Their average was 32,397. > > > The total number of Independent and "Third Party" votes was 384,647. > > > The Libertarian party garnered about 62% of the non-DemoRepub votes. > > What can the Green Party of California deduce from these statistics? > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > From carolineyacoub at att.net Sat Nov 8 09:37:29 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:37:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats Message-ID: <272752.1172.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Caroline Yacoub wrote: From: Caroline Yacoub Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats To: "Fred Duperrault" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 9:33 AM I think we need to do more visible things to engage people. Liability insurance aside, I think going out and raking leaves with a sign that says "The Green Party Cares" or doing Adopt a Highway or picketing gas stations (whatever happened to that plan?) or wearing Green Party shirts while we clean up a beach or park--and trying to get some media coverage while we do these things--will get us a lot more votes and voters than sitting around talking. Caroline --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Fred Duperrault wrote: From: Fred Duperrault Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats To: "South SF Bay Discuss at CA Greens" Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 9:30 PM Based on today's SF Chronicle's vote counts of the California U.S House of Reps. and State Assembly election, I did some totaling - with a possible 17% margin of error. (As yet, no one has checked my arithmetic.) > The total number of votes the five California Green Party candidates received was 44,612. The average was 8,922. > The Libertarian Party's twenty one candidates received 240,227 votes. They averaged 11,438 votes, > The Peace and Freedom Party's five candidates received a total of 35,015. They averaged 7,003. > The two Independents (Cindy Sheehan and Thomas Lash) received a total of 64,793 votes. Their average was 32,397. > The total number of Independent and "Third Party" votes was 384,647. > The Libertarian party garnered about 62% of the non-DemoRepub votes. What can the Green Party of California deduce from these statistics? _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Sat Nov 8 15:55:28 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:55:28 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <4915BB6B.4020800@charter.net> References: <491523F0.4060108@freeshell.org> <4915BB6B.4020800@charter.net> Message-ID: <491626F0.2030104@aceweb.com> Wes Rolley wrote: > Fred Duperrault wrote: >> > The two Independents (Cindy Sheehan and Thomas Lash) received a total of 64,793 votes. >> Their average was 32,397. > Fred, not sure if it is your mistake, or the Chronicles, but Lash is a > Green who had a lot of back-Lash from Democrats who were afraid that he > would "spoil" the chances to take out Dana Rohrabacher. As it turned > out, the margin was closer than in any of Rohrabacher's other elections, > but it was not Tom's fault. > > I have a different view from Tian's (we need to run more candidates). > While Tian is right, the problem is much greater than that. > > Green candidates tend to run ideological races. They get into electoral > races for the single reason that they care passionately about a single > issue and this is their way to "do something." Often, however, their > single issue is not the issue on which candidates are making up their > minds for voting. I learned a lot about how my issues connected to the issues that matter to other people by running. You haven't been around me enough to hear this many times (if at all), but when people ask me why I share my little speech nowadays I tell them "I'm trying to make free speech worth something." Ever get that "nothing is sacred" feeling? Is it the same for you as it is for me? How do you know? Running for office is a lot of work. People only do it if there is "something in it for me". If that isn't getting the word out on something you care about, then why do it? > > Green Party candidates tend to be supporting issues that involve major > moral / ethical decisions and which are most commonly being fought out > in Washington DC, not Sacrament or San Jose. As a result, it takes a > lot more money, will, time, volunteers to mount a winning campaign. My > conclusion is that our candidates need to have a much broader appeal and > to aim their campaigns at the issues on which voters are deciding. This > year, if you did not have a clear *economic* message, you did not get > votes. ; My conclusion was that the corporate noise machine is drowning out valuable information in a steady tide of counterproductive waste. Is that tsunami of crap capable of hiding valuable information? Yes. Is it sustainable? No. Will they shut it down for me? No. Can it make tract houses in Fresno valuable to bay area commuters? Maybe for a short while. Will they learn? Stay tuned.... Ummm... What you call "Ideological campaigns" mostly run on volunteer effort. What is a more renewable resource than that? What you are suggesting sounds good, but unless you want to do your own campaign based on your ideas they are just that. > > I also feel that Greens have an aversion to doing the type of voter data > management that the other parties do as a matter of course. It smacks > of invasion of privacy, of using manipulation , etc. The image that > comes to mind now is the TIA system in the just finished Masterpiece > Theater's production of The Last Enemy. Still, we must do better > organizationally on this than we have in the past. I am impressed with > Peter's dedication to making sure that his voter information is built > upon and improved. In some cases, party observers were tracking every > voter who voted so that their names could be deleted from call lists at > phone banks. There is no reason to call someone who has already voted. > We are not anywhere near that. I could tell you some wild and woolly stories about privacy invasion... > > With everything else going on, we tend to be like the general public, > focusing on the next election about six weeks before it happens. We > need to immediately start the planning for the next election and picking > targets / soliciting candidates. > > I am firmly of the belief that Greens, in running away from the > ecological basis on which our party was established, have missed > connecting with a generation of voters. I would say that we have to > return to our ideological roots but that implies that we had ever turned > an ideology into a practical plan for governance. We did not, but it is > not too late to do so now. Ummm... I know at least one or two Greens that didn't run away from their roots. Pretending they don't exist is pandering to the corporate noise machine. > > The Obama Presidency will be a massive disappointment for those who > wanted to see fundamental changes. It will be return to the > triangulation of power vectors that marked the Clinton years, as can be > seen by the economic advisers standing behind him at his press > conference yesterday. Larry Summers, Paul Volker, Robert Rubin are the > masterminds who, along with Alan Greenspan, set the foundations in place > for Bush and Company to build such a wobbly structure. The laws that > allowed Banks to Gamble on mortgage defaults, etc. originated with > Rubin's blessing and signed into law by Clinton, not Bush. Ummm... I think the security state machine learned a thing or two about what not to do in the course of those triangulations. We shall see... > > Things will get worse, a lot worse before they get better and we need to > be putting forward an alternative, not in 2 years, but right now. Last evening I was talking to a woman on the first Friday art walk. She was telling me that there is no choice but to be represented by the two party system. I responded that it is better to be the politician in your own back yard. I pointed out that what is underrated is the power of good citizenship. I explained that one difference between California and Virginia is that in California you have to tell the Government which political party you are joining when you register. In Virginia they don't think political parties exist. Then I went through the whole thing about how for years I've been telling people "it's a good thing to have harmless bushes in your life" while pointing to or touching a perennials plant. I finished the anecdote by saying "I'm painfully aware that the political currency of that joke is going to change in about 75 days." I derive hope from the fact it will still be a good thing to be a good citizen then. > > So, the last thing that I have to say is that the Green Party is losing > vote, losing registration because we have been consumed by ideological > campaigns rather than paying attention to solving the real problems on > which real voters are making up their minds. > If you look at a VTA nowadays, you will see a "KEEP THE VALLEY GREEN" logo on the side. In my more euphoric moments I think they like us. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. I hit the "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the collage by my door with photons while I was hearing Wangari Mathai say "United States of America" on my radio. From wrolley at charter.net Sat Nov 8 19:51:37 2008 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:51:37 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Economy and Santa Clara County Message-ID: <49165E49.7010906@charter.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Sun Nov 9 09:14:14 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:14:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <491626F0.2030104@aceweb.com> Message-ID: <990782.15496.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree, Tian. Ideological campaigns will never win us an election. We are Green. People look at us and say, "If you are Green, why are you talking to me about________(fill in the blank)?"? They expect us to be about the environment, and this is a very important time to be about the environment. People (some, not all) are becoming environmentally conscious. They are probably confused and disappointed that we are not leading the charge to save the world as we know it. Well, why aren't we? Caroline --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Tian Harter wrote: From: Tian Harter Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats To: "Post South SF Bay discus" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 3:55 PM Wes Rolley wrote: > Fred Duperrault wrote: >> > The two Independents (Cindy Sheehan and Thomas Lash) received a total of 64,793 votes. >> Their average was 32,397. > Fred, not sure if it is your mistake, or the Chronicles, but Lash is a > Green who had a lot of back-Lash from Democrats who were afraid that he > would "spoil" the chances to take out Dana Rohrabacher. As it turned > out, the margin was closer than in any of Rohrabacher's other elections, > but it was not Tom's fault. > > I have a different view from Tian's (we need to run more candidates). > While Tian is right, the problem is much greater than that. > > Green candidates tend to run ideological races. They get into electoral > races for the single reason that they care passionately about a single > issue and this is their way to "do something." Often, however, their > single issue is not the issue on which candidates are making up their > minds for voting. I learned a lot about how my issues connected to the issues that matter to other people by running. You haven't been around me enough to hear this many times (if at all), but when people ask me why I share my little speech nowadays I tell them "I'm trying to make free speech worth something." Ever get that "nothing is sacred" feeling? Is it the same for you as it is for me? How do you know? Running for office is a lot of work. People only do it if there is "something in it for me". If that isn't getting the word out on something you care about, then why do it? > > Green Party candidates tend to be supporting issues that involve major > moral / ethical decisions and which are most commonly being fought out > in Washington DC, not Sacrament or San Jose. As a result, it takes a > lot more money, will, time, volunteers to mount a winning campaign. My > conclusion is that our candidates need to have a much broader appeal and > to aim their campaigns at the issues on which voters are deciding. This > year, if you did not have a clear *economic* message, you did not get > votes. ; My conclusion was that the corporate noise machine is drowning out valuable information in a steady tide of counterproductive waste. Is that tsunami of crap capable of hiding valuable information? Yes. Is it sustainable? No. Will they shut it down for me? No. Can it make tract houses in Fresno valuable to bay area commuters? Maybe for a short while. Will they learn? Stay tuned.... Ummm... What you call "Ideological campaigns" mostly run on volunteer effort. What is a more renewable resource than that? What you are suggesting sounds good, but unless you want to do your own campaign based on your ideas they are just that. > > I also feel that Greens have an aversion to doing the type of voter data > management that the other parties do as a matter of course. It smacks > of invasion of privacy, of using manipulation , etc. The image that > comes to mind now is the TIA system in the just finished Masterpiece > Theater's production of The Last Enemy. Still, we must do better > organizationally on this than we have in the past. I am impressed with > Peter's dedication to making sure that his voter information is built > upon and improved. In some cases, party observers were tracking every > voter who voted so that their names could be deleted from call lists at > phone banks. There is no reason to call someone who has already voted. > We are not anywhere near that. I could tell you some wild and woolly stories about privacy invasion... > > With everything else going on, we tend to be like the general public, > focusing on the next election about six weeks before it happens. We > need to immediately start the planning for the next election and picking > targets / soliciting candidates. > > I am firmly of the belief that Greens, in running away from the > ecological basis on which our party was established, have missed > connecting with a generation of voters. I would say that we have to > return to our ideological roots but that implies that we had ever turned > an ideology into a practical plan for governance. We did not, but it is > not too late to do so now. Ummm... I know at least one or two Greens that didn't run away from their roots. Pretending they don't exist is pandering to the corporate noise machine. > > The Obama Presidency will be a massive disappointment for those who > wanted to see fundamental changes. It will be return to the > triangulation of power vectors that marked the Clinton years, as can be > seen by the economic advisers standing behind him at his press > conference yesterday. Larry Summers, Paul Volker, Robert Rubin are the > masterminds who, along with Alan Greenspan, set the foundations in place > for Bush and Company to build such a wobbly structure. The laws that > allowed Banks to Gamble on mortgage defaults, etc. originated with > Rubin's blessing and signed into law by Clinton, not Bush. Ummm... I think the security state machine learned a thing or two about what not to do in the course of those triangulations. We shall see... > > Things will get worse, a lot worse before they get better and we need to > be putting forward an alternative, not in 2 years, but right now. Last evening I was talking to a woman on the first Friday art walk. She was telling me that there is no choice but to be represented by the two party system. I responded that it is better to be the politician in your own back yard. I pointed out that what is underrated is the power of good citizenship. I explained that one difference between California and Virginia is that in California you have to tell the Government which political party you are joining when you register. In Virginia they don't think political parties exist. Then I went through the whole thing about how for years I've been telling people "it's a good thing to have harmless bushes in your life" while pointing to or touching a perennials plant. I finished the anecdote by saying "I'm painfully aware that the political currency of that joke is going to change in about 75 days." I derive hope from the fact it will still be a good thing to be a good citizen then. > > So, the last thing that I have to say is that the Green Party is losing > vote, losing registration because we have been consumed by ideological > campaigns rather than paying attention to solving the real problems on > which real voters are making up their minds. > If you look at a VTA nowadays, you will see a "KEEP THE VALLEY GREEN" logo on the side. In my more euphoric moments I think they like us. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. I hit the "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the collage by my door with photons while I was hearing Wangari Mathai say "United States of America" on my radio. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sun Nov 9 11:22:15 2008 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:22:15 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] March to Protest Racial Profiling in Palo Alto Sun. Afternoon Message-ID: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=9952 March leaves EPA City Hall (University at Bay Rd) at 2 pm. Rally at PA City Hall. Protest PAPD Chief Lynne Johnson's suggestion that PAPD officers make conversation with blacks in PA to find out who they are and where they're going. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Sun Nov 9 12:02:07 2008 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (cls) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:02:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats Message-ID: <20081109200207.A2DCA6A8F9@truffula.sj.ca.us> >Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:14:14 -0800 (PST) >From: Caroline Yacoub >To: Tian Harter >Cc: sosfbay-discuss >Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats >I agree, Tian. Ideological campaigns will never win us an election. > We are Green. People look at us and say, > "If you are Green, why are you talking to me about________(fill in the blank)?" Because ________(fill in the blank) is an environmental issue. > They expect us to be about the environment, They expect us to be about a few specialized issues that they have been taught are "the environment." Sorting trash, euphemised as "recycling." (Before the corporate media redefined it, "recycling" meant *buying* stuff made from materials reclaimed from the waste stream instead of buying stuff made from virgin materials. Now it means sorting trash into different bins.) Litter on beaches and the roadside. Non-urban parks. Smog. Ask the next ten people you meet whether urban sprawl is an environmental issue. Ask the next ten whether land use planning is an environmental issue. I'll bet you get less than half, and less than a quarter, even though it's two names for the same problem. Or chloramine in the drinking water. (You'll get ten blank stares on that one.) Groundwater contamination. I'll bet most people you meet don't even consider emissions trading an environmental issue, if they even know what it is. Industrial agriculture. The biggest enviro issues, except CO2 emissions, have been successfully propagandized out of the public perception of "environment." That's why "environment" is now a safe thing to use in oil company image ads. Being "environmentally conscious" doesn't mean changing the way you live very much. > and this is a very important time to be about the environment. P= >eople (some, not all) are becoming environmentally conscious. >They are probably confused and disappointed that we are not leading the cha= >rge to save the world as we know it. They are, but if you can't explain the problem in ten words you've lost them. People have been trained to expect answers to fit on a bumper sticker. >Well, why aren't we? Well, most of us are in that "ten words or I'm gone" crowd. There was a pretty good Hollywood antiwar movie last year, _Lions for Lambs_. Tom Cruise played the warmongering senator. There's a scene where his pitch comes down to a loaded question where you're either a warmonger or a traitor, no other choices allowed. A "liberal" is questioning his warmongering, and he's bellowing "yes or no, yes or no, yes or no!" while she sputters there's more to it than that. I thought it summed up the problem pretty well. -- Cameron From tnharter at aceweb.com Sun Nov 9 23:49:16 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:49:16 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <20081109200207.A2DCA6A8F9@truffula.sj.ca.us> References: <20081109200207.A2DCA6A8F9@truffula.sj.ca.us> Message-ID: <4917E77C.8060001@aceweb.com> cls wrote: >> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:14:14 -0800 (PST) >> From: Caroline Yacoub >> To: Tian Harter >> Cc: sosfbay-discuss >> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats > >> I agree, Tian. Ideological campaigns will never win us an election. >> We are Green. People look at us and say, >> "If you are Green, why are you talking to me about________(fill in the blank)?" > > Because ________(fill in the blank) is an environmental issue. > > >> They expect us to be about the environment, > (snip) > > Ask the next ten people you meet whether urban sprawl is an > environmental issue. Ask the next ten whether land use planning > is an environmental issue. I'll bet you get less than half, and > less than a quarter, even though it's two names for the same > problem. Or chloramine in the drinking water. > (You'll get ten blank stares on that one.) Groundwater contamination. > I'll bet most people you meet don't even consider emissions trading > an environmental issue, if they even know what it is. Industrial I think of emissions trading as a free speech issue. I mean, I can speak the truth organically until I starve to death, but if nobody figures out I know what I'm talking about it don't amount to a hill of beans as they say. Meanwhile, the coal lobby buys air time on PBS to bush clean coal. I kid you not. > agriculture. The biggest enviro issues, except CO2 emissions, > have been successfully propagandized out of the public perception > of "environment." That's why "environment" is now a safe thing > to use in oil company image ads. Being "environmentally conscious" > doesn't mean changing the way you live very much. Did you notice that Chevron is saying "we've cut our consumption 27% since 1991"? Meanwhile Exxon and the rest of them exercise the right to remain silent on that... > > >> and this is a very important time to be about the environment. P= >> eople (some, not all) are becoming environmentally conscious. >> They are probably confused and disappointed that we are not leading the cha= >> rge to save the world as we know it. Ummm... I think if you broaden your definition of "we" just a bit the answer to that changes. For example, Michael Franti and Spearhead seem to have politics in their music that I just love. Same with Cake from Sacramento. I have lots of friends that self identify as green. None of them are incumbents in Washington, but that's okay with me... > > They are, but if you can't explain the problem in ten words you've > lost them. People have been trained to expect answers to fit on > a bumper sticker. We can do that. I've got a well decorated bike to prove it. > > >> Well, why aren't we? > > Well, most of us are in that "ten words or I'm gone" crowd. I'm hoping some of them get stuck at lights behind a bumper with my sticker on it. Or maybe they look out the window towards a curb and some bicyclist has a "DON'T BE FUELISH" there. Then if they just think about it a bit... > > There was a pretty good Hollywood antiwar movie last year, _Lions > for Lambs_. Tom Cruise played the warmongering senator. There's > a scene where his pitch comes down to a loaded question where > you're either a warmonger or a traitor, no other choices allowed. > A "liberal" is questioning his warmongering, and he's bellowing > "yes or no, yes or no, yes or no!" while she sputters there's more > to it than that. I thought it summed up the problem pretty well. > She said "it"? IT? I hope he got a headache. Did you notice all those private sector busses running between the Mountain View transit terminal and shoreline employers with "TAKE IT TO WORK" on the side? Mountain View is becoming a very popular Caltrain stop thanks in part to them. It's catching on... :-) -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. I hit the "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the collage by my door with photons while I was hearing Wangari Mathai say "United States of America" on my radio. From carolineyacoub at att.net Mon Nov 10 08:21:39 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <20081109200207.A2DCA6A8F9@truffula.sj.ca.us> Message-ID: <191561.7931.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 54-40 or Fight, A Chicken in Every Pot, We Shall Overcome, Si Se Puede. They all fit on bumper stickers. They are all simplistic. THEY ALL GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION! Before we can engage people in serious thought, we have to GET THEIR ATTENTION!? Think of the bell curve. If we only deign to speak to the upper 3%, not only will we never elect a candidate, we will not achieve any of our goals. ? Until we think up a good, simplistic slogan, we need to be visible doing things that people already perceive as Green. They may join in. And THEN we can talk to them. --- On Sun, 11/9/08, cls wrote: From: cls Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 12:02 PM >Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:14:14 -0800 (PST) >From: Caroline Yacoub >To: Tian Harter >Cc: sosfbay-discuss >Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats >I agree, Tian. Ideological campaigns will never win us an election. > We are Green. People look at us and say, > "If you are Green, why are you talking to me about________(fill in the blank)?" Because ________(fill in the blank) is an environmental issue. > They expect us to be about the environment, They expect us to be about a few specialized issues that they have been taught are "the environment." Sorting trash, euphemised as "recycling." (Before the corporate media redefined it, "recycling" meant *buying* stuff made from materials reclaimed from the waste stream instead of buying stuff made from virgin materials. Now it means sorting trash into different bins.) Litter on beaches and the roadside. Non-urban parks. Smog. Ask the next ten people you meet whether urban sprawl is an environmental issue. Ask the next ten whether land use planning is an environmental issue. I'll bet you get less than half, and less than a quarter, even though it's two names for the same problem. Or chloramine in the drinking water. (You'll get ten blank stares on that one.) Groundwater contamination. I'll bet most people you meet don't even consider emissions trading an environmental issue, if they even know what it is. Industrial agriculture. The biggest enviro issues, except CO2 emissions, have been successfully propagandized out of the public perception of "environment." That's why "environment" is now a safe thing to use in oil company image ads. Being "environmentally conscious" doesn't mean changing the way you live very much. > and this is a very important time to be about the environment. P= >eople (some, not all) are becoming environmentally conscious. >They are probably confused and disappointed that we are not leading the cha= >rge to save the world as we know it. They are, but if you can't explain the problem in ten words you've lost them. People have been trained to expect answers to fit on a bumper sticker. >Well, why aren't we? Well, most of us are in that "ten words or I'm gone" crowd. There was a pretty good Hollywood antiwar movie last year, _Lions for Lambs_. Tom Cruise played the warmongering senator. There's a scene where his pitch comes down to a loaded question where you're either a warmonger or a traitor, no other choices allowed. A "liberal" is questioning his warmongering, and he's bellowing "yes or no, yes or no, yes or no!" while she sputters there's more to it than that. 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URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Mon Nov 10 08:43:50 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:43:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <491862C1.6040307@charter.net> Message-ID: <979787.57701.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If they'll sell it to us, why the heck not? We need to stop preaching to the choir. --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Wes Rolley wrote: From: Wes Rolley Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats To: "sosfbay-discuss" Cc: "Caroline Yacoub" Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 8:35 AM Caroline Yacoub wrote: 54-40 or Fight, A Chicken in Every Pot, We Shall Overcome, Si Se Puede. They all fit on bumper stickers. They are all simplistic. THEY ALL GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION! Before we can engage people in serious thought, we have to GET THEIR ATTENTION!? Think of the bell curve. If we only deign to speak to the upper 3%, not only will we never elect a candidate, we will not achieve any of our goals. ? Until we think up a good, simplistic slogan, we need to be visible doing things that people already perceive as Green. They may join in. And THEN we can talk to them. Caroline, I was born in Illinois when Adlain Stevenson was my Senator.? Consider this oft repeated snippet, this version from the NPR site. A supporter once called out, "Governor Stevenson, all thinking people are for you!" And Adlai Stevenson answered, "That's not enough. I need a majority."Maybe, we should buy cable time on Fox News. Wes -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Mon Nov 10 08:47:25 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:47:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Can We Host a State Meeting? In-Reply-To: <4917BC75.4060108@greens.org> Message-ID: <244653.40964.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't we also need something for these 100 or so people to DO for two days before we spend the money to get a space? --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Jim Stauffer wrote: From: Jim Stauffer Subject: Re: [SC-SM] Can We Host a State Meeting? To: "Santa Clara - San Mateo Communications" Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:45 PM We can get an advancement loan from the party. Jim WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/6/2008 7:40:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, > jims at greens.org writes: > > The pivotal question when contemplating hosting a meeting is finding a > venue that fits the Green budget. If we can secure this, all else is > do-able. > > > > The last time I looked at locations costs -- e.g., CET; Hispanic > University -- space rental for two days was in the $2500-$4000 range. > The GPSCC currently does not have financial resources to pay for space > rental and food/beverages. What is the budget that is available from > the CC budget for a January Gathering? Warner > > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ SC-SM mailing list > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm _______________________________________________ SC-SM mailing list SC-SM at lists.sonic.net http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Mon Nov 10 11:55:04 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:55:04 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Can We Host a State Meeting? In-Reply-To: <244653.40964.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <244653.40964.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49189198.5010300@aceweb.com> That's the coordinating committee's job. They provide an agenda packet, and the host committee says "okay". If nothing else comes along, we can talk about restructuring. Ummm... I don't want to be part of hosting a restructuring meeting... Tian Caroline Yacoub wrote: > Don't we also need something for these 100 or so people to DO for two > days before we spend the money to get a space? > > --- On *Sun, 11/9/08, Jim Stauffer //* wrote: > > From: Jim Stauffer > Subject: Re: [SC-SM] Can We Host a State Meeting? > To: "Santa Clara - San Mateo Communications" > Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 8:45 PM > > We can get an advancement loan from the party. > > Jim > > > > > WSB3ATTYCA at aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 11/6/2008 7:40:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > jims at greens.org writes: > > > > The pivotal question when contemplating hosting a meeting is finding a > > venue that fits the Green budget. If we can secure this, all else is > > do-able. > > > > > > > > The last time I looked at locations costs -- e.g., CET; Hispanic > > University -- space rental for two days was in the $2500-$4000 range. > > The GPSCC currently does not have financial resources to pay for space > > rental and food/beverages. What is the budget that is available from > > the CC budget for a January Gathering? Warner > > > > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > > other Holiday needs. Search Now. > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ SC-SM mailing list > > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm > > _______________________________________________ > SC-SM mailing list > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net > http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. I hit the "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the collage by my door with photons while I was hearing Wangari Mathai say "United States of America" on my radio. From tnharter at aceweb.com Mon Nov 10 12:20:34 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:20:34 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] New Zealand Greens pick up two seats in Parliament! Message-ID: <49189792.20204@aceweb.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_general_election,_2008 -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. Yesterday: Amanda Kovattana's Diamonds in my Pocket book release party. From eameece at california.com Mon Nov 10 22:58:32 2008 From: eameece at california.com (Eric A Meece) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:58:32 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <272752.1172.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <272752.1172.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7E91212AF02A4AB6B6E0BDD6407B99D0@eameecePC> I think Peter Myers did pretty well all things considered. I think the Obama victory will be good for Greens. Bush was not. Liberal-inclined folk were too scared to vote Green because of the horrible enormity of the Bush disaster, which it truly was-- to an unprecedented degree. He was by far the worst president ever. People were too scared of Republicans and their extreme ideology to risk voting Green. Now that this threat is somewhat diminished, people will feel freer to express their true values when voting, just as they had been to some degree before Bush. The country will be moving at least back to the center, and that means the possibility exists for more energy and ideas getting a hearing on the left. Greens can fulfill a role of encouraging and informing the country of where we need to go. I like Caroline's suggestions. I also think we can be more effective if we get a good lobbying committee and add to the pressure on our politicians to do the right things. Greens can demonstrate and carry signs, and I do too sometimes; but I'm a bit tired of yelling and not being heard. Anything we can do to educate the people about things like climate change and energy alternatives would fulfill our purpose as Greens. The fate of Prop 10 shows just how far we still need to go; the people don't seem to get it, even after all that has been told to them. The system is stacked against 3rd parties. The famous former conservative commentator Kevin Phillips said on Bill Moyers that if the people continue to be frustrated, they will continue to desert the major parties, which already have less power to shape events than they used to have. We are the only developed country to have an elected king system. Other nations have parliamentary democracies with proportional representation for many parties that give their people a place at the table. This even includes the system that Bush and Co. set up in conquered Iraq. Eventually it will dawn on Americans that our system is not the "best in the world," but grossly outdated; a leftover from the late 18th century and a model that was not copied by republics that emerged later. King George is dead. Long live King Barack! Eric the Green ----- Original Message ----- From: Caroline Yacoub To: sosfbay-discuss Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Caroline Yacoub wrote: From: Caroline Yacoub Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats To: "Fred Duperrault" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 9:33 AM I think we need to do more visible things to engage people. Liability insurance aside, I think going out and raking leaves with a sign that says "The Green Party Cares" or doing Adopt a Highway or picketing gas stations (whatever happened to that plan?) or wearing Green Party shirts while we clean up a beach or park--and trying to get some media coverage while we do these things--will get us a lot more votes and voters than sitting around talking. Caroline --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Fred Duperrault wrote: From: Fred Duperrault Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Some jarring stats To: "South SF Bay Discuss at CA Greens" Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 9:30 PM Based on today's SF Chronicle's vote counts of the California U.S House of Reps. and State Assembly election, I did some totaling - with a possible 17% margin of error. (As yet, no one has checked my arithmetic.) > The total number of votes the five California Green Party candidates received was 44,612. The average was 8,922. > The Libertarian Party's twenty one candidates received 240,227 votes. They averaged 11,438 votes, > The Peace and Freedom Party's five candidates received a total of 35,015. They averaged 7,003. > The two Independents (Cindy Sheehan and Thomas Lash) received a total of 64,793 votes. Their average was 32,397. > The total number of Independent and "Third Party" votes was 384,647. > The Libertarian party garnered about 62% of the non-DemoRepub votes. 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Green Greetings, Andrea From eameece at california.com Tue Nov 11 17:30:13 2008 From: eameece at california.com (Eric A Meece) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:30:13 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <4919AD76.8030606@charter.net> References: <272752.1172.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7E91212AF02A4AB6B6E0BDD6407B99D0@eameecePC> <4919AD76.8030606@charter.net> Message-ID: From: Wes Rolley "Maybe we should do something similar within GPCA / Santa Clara County ...." Indeed; for all the issues we have with our politicians. I disagree with Phillips and I disagree with the idea that Washington will become less contentious because of the election of Obama. His choice of Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff shows that he needs an enforcer and intends to use one. The most recent statements from Congressman John Boehner, House Minority Leader, indicate that he is going to fall back on the failed Newt Gingrich tactic of bringing government to a halt to make a point. He will talk one way, but act the other. Washington will become more divisive than ever if we, the citizens allow that to happen. I'm more concerned that Obama will give in and be too bipartisan. I agree as well that Washington will not be less contentious; but I'm not so concerned about that, but rather that the right decisions be made and the right things done. I hope Obama will be able to persuade the right people. The Republicans have been ruthless, extreme and uncompromising; the problem is that Democrats have not had any spine and have given in. Witness their utter and willful failure to stop the war in Iraq, their giving in on extreme right supreme court appointments, etc. etc. So, Obama will need to find the right balance. I don't know if he will. If Obama thinks he will have an easy time convincing the opposition to support him, or even all of his own party, he has a revelation coming. Entrenched power does not give in easily. Or maybe he does know this, and that's why he hired an enforcer or whatever you call him; somebody who knows how to confront powerful opponents and deal with them. His problem seems likely to be in the Senate though; the House minority has little power to stop the majority. I'm not sure what Boehner can really do. The point though is that people will now feel safer voting for Greens, because disaster is less likely if they do, now that the country and government has moved back from extreme right (Republicans) to center (Democrats). What Phillips said is hope for Greens. If the 2 party system continues to frustrate the people, they will start to ask for a multiparty system. That was his point. If the Democrats and a few moderate Republicans can't get something done now, things will either go back to the extreme right, or will open up to the left and other parties like ours. Unfortunately, we live in an era where Rush Limbaugh has ~20 million listeners and Bill Moyers may have 200,000. It is an era where image, soundbite, and simplistic narrative have replaced contemplation or reflection, where Obama, speaking to the public with a 9th grade vocabulary is a great improvement over W whose public utterances require only a 6th grade level of comprehension. Indeed; I think the people are poorly educated and informed, so politicians have to talk in that way even to be understood; and perhaps to pander to the generally conservative opinion in this country. I am of the opinion that we need not more demonstrations but rather active engagement with the political process at all level: city, county, state, federal. I agree! Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Tue Nov 11 17:52:03 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:52:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <307253.38697.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At the Green Party meeting last Wednesday, Peter pushed the idea that we need to have more candidates for offices at all levels of government and challenged the members present to bring in names of people willing to run at the next meeting. Merriam (I think) also brought up the idea of serving on commissions, thereby getting our feet in the door of local politics. We need to DO things like this if we are ever going to be heard. Caroline --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Eric A Meece wrote: From: Eric A Meece Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats To: "sosfbay-discuss" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 5:30 PM ? From: Wes Rolley ?"Maybe we should do something similar within GPCA / Santa Clara County ...." ? Indeed; for all the issues we have with our politicians. ? I disagree with Phillips and I disagree with the idea that Washington will become less contentious because of the election of Obama.? His choice of Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff shows that he needs an enforcer and intends to use one.? The most recent statements from Congressman John Boehner, House Minority Leader, indicate that he is going to fall back on the failed Newt Gingrich tactic of bringing government to a halt to make a point.? He will talk one way, but act the other.? Washington will become more divisive than ever if we, the citizens allow that to happen. ??? I'm more concerned that Obama will give in and be too bipartisan. I?agree as well that Washington will not be less contentious; but I'm not so concerned about that, but rather that the right decisions be made and the right things done. I hope Obama will be able to persuade the right people. The Republicans have been ruthless, extreme and uncompromising; the problem is that Democrats have not had any spine and have given in. Witness their utter and willful failure to stop the war in Iraq, their giving in on extreme right supreme court appointments, etc. etc. ? So, Obama will need to find the right balance. I don't know if he will. If Obama thinks he will have an easy time convincing the opposition to support him, or even all of his own party, he has a revelation coming. Entrenched power does not give in easily. Or maybe he does know this, and that's why he hired an enforcer or whatever you call him; somebody who knows how to confront powerful opponents and deal with them. His problem seems likely to be in the Senate though; the House minority has little power to stop the majority. I'm not sure what Boehner can really do. The point though is that people will now feel safer voting for Greens, because disaster is less likely if they do, now that the country and government has moved back from extreme right (Republicans) to center (Democrats). ? What Phillips said is hope for Greens. If the 2 party system continues to frustrate the people, they will start to ask for a multiparty system. That was his point. If the Democrats and a few moderate Republicans can't get something done now, things will either go back to the extreme right, or will open up to the left and other parties like ours. Unfortunately, we live in an era where Rush Limbaugh has ~20 million listeners and Bill Moyers may have 200,000.? It is an era where image, soundbite, and simplistic narrative have replaced contemplation or reflection, where Obama,? speaking to the public with a 9th grade vocabulary is a great improvement over W whose public utterances require only a 6th grade level of comprehension. Indeed; I think the people are poorly educated and informed, so politicians have to talk in that way even to be understood;?and perhaps to pander to the generally conservative opinion in this country. I am of the opinion that we need not more demonstrations but rather active engagement with the political process at all level: city, county, state, federal.? ? I agree! Eric ?_______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Panelists: Sigfried Hecker, PhD Stanford Professor of Management Science Emeritus Director of Los Alamos National Laboratory Co-director of CISAC (Center for International Security and Cooperation) Jacqueline Cabasso Executive Director, Western States Legal Foundation http://www.wslfweb.org/ Robert Gauntt, PhD Professor of Mathematics (retired) Founder, World Democracy Project http://www.WorldDemocracyProject.org When: Tuesday, November 18th, 7 PM to 9 PM Where: Hillview Community Center 97 Hillview Avenue, Los Altos (Close to San Antonio Road and Foothill Expressway. Either take San Antonio east from Foothill Exp and turn right on Hillview, or take San Antonio west from El Camino and turn left on Hillview.) Admission: Free * Sponsored by Los Altos Voices for Peace * Co-Sponsored by Action Council, Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo Alto Peninsula Peace and Justice Center Board of Directors, Humanist Community in Silicon Valley Arab American Cultural Center of Silicon Valley Los Altos/Mtn View Branch of the American Association of University Women -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Nov 11 23:25:11 2008 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:25:11 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Preservation of the Constitutional Principles and Destruction of Bush Precedents Message-ID: I'd love to be shown wrong, but I'm not seeing any indication of momentum toward impeaching Bush in January. I suggest that the second best way of exorcising Bush's precedents is to get Obama to declare an Obama doctrine specifically renouncing the unitary executive principles and the extra-Constitutional imperial powers assumed by Bush, affirming his commitment to adherence to rule of law, to the balance of power among coequal branches, to recognizing the authority of treaties and international law, and to repudiate domestic policies of lawless surveillance and intimidation and foreign policies of kidnapping, torture, and pre-emptive war that represent a de facto policy of state terrorism. Specifically I'd like him to renounce and repudiate 1) warrantless surveillance2) lawless detention and kidnapping,3) torture,violation of Int'l treaties,4) the right to declare anybody he wants an enemy combatant,5) the right to declare anything he wants a national emergency (EO 51)6) signing statements usurping powers of Congress to make the laws and of the court to interpret the laws Comments? Additions? Ideas? See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life Click here _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Wed Nov 12 02:33:35 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:33:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] North Valley Greens core meeting Thu 7pm Caroline Yacoub's place Message-ID: <50504.76.102.118.218.1226486015.squirrel@www.greens.org> North Valley folks (Sunnyvale and north) come join us for Green fun and plans for outreach, socials and issue and candidate campaigning. BRING: your wonderful Green self, if handy a Green friend and your ideas (and if you'd like to -- not required -- a snack) WHAT: core meeting of the North Valley Greens Thursday 7pm eve. @ Caroline Yacoub's WHEN: This Thursday, November 13th WHERE: 323 N Murphy Ave, Sunnyvale CA 94085 in Sunnyvale, near Maude and Mathilda Green is Connection! Drew From carolineyacoub at att.net Wed Nov 12 08:39:24 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:39:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Preservation of the Constitutional Principles and Destruction of Bush Precedents Message-ID: <786313.59107.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Caroline Yacoub wrote: From: Caroline Yacoub Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Preservation of the Constitutional Principles and Destruction of Bush Precedents To: "Brian Good" Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:38 AM Sounds good. Why don't you write it up in the form of a petition, and anybody who has a little time can print some off and go stand outside of Trader Joe's, or a Farmer's Market, or whatever, get them signed and send them off to Obama before his agenda is carved in stone. Caroline --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Brian Good wrote: From: Brian Good Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Preservation of the Constitutional Principles and Destruction of Bush Precedents To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 11:25 PM #yiv1435960465 #yiv860678416 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1435960465 #yiv860678416 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} #yiv1435960465 #yiv860678416 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} #yiv1435960465 #yiv860678416 .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} I'd love to be shown wrong, but I'm not seeing any indication of momentum toward impeaching Bush in January. I suggest that the second best way of exorcising Bush's precedents is to get Obama to declare an Obama doctrine specifically renouncing the unitary executive principles and the extra-Constitutional imperial powers assumed by Bush, affirming his commitment to adherence to rule of law, to the balance of power among coequal branches, to recognizing the authority of treaties and international law, and to repudiate domestic policies of lawless surveillance and intimidation and foreign policies of kidnapping, torture, and pre-emptive war that represent a de facto policy of state terrorism. Specifically I'd like him to renounce and repudiate #yiv1435960465 #yiv860678416 _filtered #yiv860678416 {} #yiv1435960465 #yiv860678416 .ExternalClass P {margin-bottom:0.08in;} 1) warrantless surveillance 2) lawless detention and kidnapping, 3) torture,violation of Int'l treaties, 4) the right to declare anybody he wants an enemy combatant, 5) the right to declare anything he wants a national emergency (EO 51) 6) signing statements usurping powers of Congress to make the laws and? ????????????? of the court to interpret the laws Comments?? Additions?? Ideas? See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life Click here Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. Sign up today. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MLause at cinci.rr.com Wed Nov 12 08:51:35 2008 From: MLause at cinci.rr.com (Mark A. Lause) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:51:35 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Preservation of the ConstitutionalPrinciples and Destruction of Bush Precedents In-Reply-To: <786313.59107.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <786313.59107.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3572D86D7239405CABB9E339E182B20C@PC> The doctrine of preemptive war should be on the list. Unfortunately, there are precedents for some of these things, rooted in the Cold War. ML -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Nov 12 12:24:39 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:24:39 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] My friend Amada's Book, Diamonds in my Pocket Message-ID: <491B3B87.8070204@aceweb.com> Her book release party was last Sunday. A good time was had by all: http://tian.greens.org/California/AmandaKovattana/BookReleaseParty.html The book itself is a quick read. I've been enjoying it. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. That day Richard Carroll became Arkansas's first-ever Green legislator. Saturday: the New Zealand Green Party picked up two seats in Parliament. From eameece at california.com Wed Nov 12 12:24:32 2008 From: eameece at california.com (Eric A Meece) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:24:32 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <307253.38697.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <307253.38697.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64D882258EE14B449BF46ABA0A931395@eameecePC> I think we also need to be a pressure group and do lobbying. We already represent thousands of people. We need to give them a voice. Serving on commissions and running candidates is fine, but the present political system does not give us a chance to actually win state and federal offices in this county, but at most an opportunity to temporarily help knock out or pressure a bad Democrat. So we need to do other services as well that will accomplish some of our goals, as well as hold a long term vision of a powerful electoral party. Eric M ----- Original Message ----- From: Caroline Yacoub To: Eric A Meece Cc: sosfbay-discuss Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats At the Green Party meeting last Wednesday, Peter pushed the idea that we need to have more candidates for offices at all levels of government and challenged the members present to bring in names of people willing to run at the next meeting. Merriam (I think) also brought up the idea of serving on commissions, thereby getting our feet in the door of local politics. We need to DO things like this if we are ever going to be heard. Caroline --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Eric A Meece wrote: From: Eric A Meece Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats To: "sosfbay-discuss" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 5:30 PM From: Wes Rolley "Maybe we should do something similar within GPCA / Santa Clara County ...." Indeed; for all the issues we have with our politicians. I disagree with Phillips and I disagree with the idea that Washington will become less contentious because of the election of Obama. His choice of Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff shows that he needs an enforcer and intends to use one. The most recent statements from Congressman John Boehner, House Minority Leader, indicate that he is going to fall back on the failed Newt Gingrich tactic of bringing government to a halt to make a point. He will talk one way, but act the other. Washington will become more divisive than ever if we, the citizens allow that to happen. I'm more concerned that Obama will give in and be too bipartisan. I agree as well that Washington will not be less contentious; but I'm not so concerned about that, but rather that the right decisions be made and the right things done. I hope Obama will be able to persuade the right people. The Republicans have been ruthless, extreme and uncompromising; the problem is that Democrats have not had any spine and have given in. Witness their utter and willful failure to stop the war in Iraq, their giving in on extreme right supreme court appointments, etc. etc. So, Obama will need to find the right balance. I don't know if he will. If Obama thinks he will have an easy time convincing the opposition to support him, or even all of his own party, he has a revelation coming. Entrenched power does not give in easily. Or maybe he does know this, and that's why he hired an enforcer or whatever you call him; somebody who knows how to confront powerful opponents and deal with them. His problem seems likely to be in the Senate though; the House minority has little power to stop the majority. I'm not sure what Boehner can really do. The point though is that people will now feel safer voting for Greens, because disaster is less likely if they do, now that the country and government has moved back from extreme right (Republicans) to center (Democrats). What Phillips said is hope for Greens. If the 2 party system continues to frustrate the people, they will start to ask for a multiparty system. That was his point. If the Democrats and a few moderate Republicans can't get something done now, things will either go back to the extreme right, or will open up to the left and other parties like ours. Unfortunately, we live in an era where Rush Limbaugh has ~20 million listeners and Bill Moyers may have 200,000. It is an era where image, soundbite, and simplistic narrative have replaced contemplation or reflection, where Obama, speaking to the public with a 9th grade vocabulary is a great improvement over W whose public utterances require only a 6th grade level of comprehension. Indeed; I think the people are poorly educated and informed, so politicians have to talk in that way even to be understood; and perhaps to pander to the generally conservative opinion in this country. I am of the opinion that we need not more demonstrations but rather active engagement with the political process at all level: city, county, state, federal. I agree! Eric _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Nov 12 13:02:17 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:02:17 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <4919AD76.8030606@charter.net> References: <272752.1172.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com><7E91212AF02A4AB6B6E0BDD6407B99D0@eameecePC> <4919AD76.8030606@charter.net> Message-ID: <491B4459.5040409@aceweb.com> Wes Rolley wrote: > Eric A Meece wrote: >> I like Caroline's suggestions. I also think we can be more effective >> if we get a good lobbying committee and add to the pressure on our >> politicians to do the right things. Greens can demonstrate and carry >> signs, and I do too sometimes; but I'm a bit tired of yelling and not >> being heard. Anything we can do to educate the people about things >> like climate change and energy alternatives would fulfill our purpose >> as Greens. The fate of Prop 10 shows just how far we still need to go; >> the people don't seem to get it, even after all that has been told to >> them. > Eric, I fully agree on the futility of constant protest. However, it > seems to be a cultural norm. There is a time for protest, especially > since that may be the only way to get attention, but protest without > proposing positive policy improvements (see, I did not use the word > "change".) will eventually become just a footnote. For me, big protests are a great place to push stickers. Maybe a dozen per day of that. Then my pictures of the event get a hundred hits over a couple of days. Probably most of those from people that weren't there. Sometimes I have fantasies that some of those hits are from people that needed to get the point of the march. Of course, that would require that somebody I knew forwarded it to somebody like that. Hope springs eternal. > > There is a proposal before the national EcoAction Committee that we, as > a committee, establish a liaison with the committees of Congress that > actually affect our areas of concern: energy policy, global warming, > natural resource use and protection, infrastructure to support all of > that. I am not sure if we can make that happen in any realistic > manner, but the idea has merit. Maybe we should do something similar > within GPCA / Santa Clara County where the over-riding concern is one of > the proper role for government and how do we pay for it all. I remember when I was working at the Postal Service in DC. Microsoft was bombing us with magazines about the power of their software. Other vendors were doing the same thing. I remember looking at all the "POWER" on the shelf and commenting on it to a coworker. He looked the stuff and said "it's like that everywhere." I disagreed. Thinking about posting this comment I looked around this room. The only "POWER" that jumped out at me is the POWER TO THE PEOPLE from last summer's McKinney sticker. That's small compared to the SCHAFF in the poster left over from Stephanie Schaff's city council campaign, or many of the other names that decorate this den of green campaign souvenirs. My favorite souvineers are the memories of hearing my candidates on my radio. I've thought much about the fact those are just wetware shadows inside my skull and I need to use power to share them with you. We do need to reach out, but what's really needed by the big "WE" of Santa Clara County is the political will to use less fossil fuel based power. I firmly believe that is a change that can only happen when more of them "get it." I hope that happens before the sun goes cold... -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. That day Richard Carroll became Arkansas's first-ever Green legislator. Saturday: the New Zealand Green Party picked up two seats in Parliament. From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Nov 12 13:23:20 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:23:20 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats Message-ID: <491B4948.90701@aceweb.com> [Fwd: Wes Rolley wrote: > Eric A Meece wrote: >> The system is stacked against 3rd parties. The famous former >> conservative commentator Kevin Phillips said on Bill Moyers that if >> the people continue to be frustrated, they will continue to desert the >> major parties, which already have less power to shape events than they >> used to have. > I disagree with Phillips and I disagree with the idea that Washington > will become less contentious because of the election of Obama. His > choice of Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff shows that he needs an enforcer > and intends to use one. The most recent statements from Congressman > John Boehner , House > Minority Leader, indicate that he is going to fall back on the failed > Newt Gingrich tactic of brining government to a halt to make a point. > He will talk one way, but act the other. Washington will become more > divisive than ever if we, the citizens allow that to happen. > > Unfortunately, we live in an era where Rush Limbaugh has ~20 million > listeners and Bill Moyers may have 200,000. It is an era where image, > soundbite, and simplistic narrative have replaced contemplation or > reflection, where Obama, speaking to the public with a 9th grade > vocabulary is a great improvement over W whose public utterances require > only a 6th grade level of comprehension. > > I am of the opinion that we need not more demonstrations but rather > active engagement with the political process at all level: city, county, > state, federal. The opportunity to do this is right now when no one > really knows what is going to happen to allow the ongoing funding of > government in California, but we will all be victims if we don't find a > way to make it work. > Next year they will come out with a DC quarter. Trying to explain that DC is not a state but a special district where our national compromises are worked out is bound to be a challenging exercise for me. Last night I was reading a book that explained that California is so much larger than the other states because it was admitted to the Union "as if it was a nation". This is very different from many of the other States, which were defined from Washington by incumbents who had been drinking the manifest destiny kool-aid. I think we need active engagement on the "one dollar one vote" level in a real way. Stop voting for clean coal (as they call it) at the light switch! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. That day Richard Carroll became Arkansas's first-ever Green legislator. Saturday: the New Zealand Green Party picked up two seats in Parliament. From carolineyacoub at att.net Wed Nov 12 15:42:35 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:42:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats In-Reply-To: <491B4459.5040409@aceweb.com> Message-ID: <127720.9032.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tian, I am hoping our new Media Committee will get some of your great pictures into local papers, or that we can use them in our little TV messages. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Tian Harter wrote: From: Tian Harter Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: Some jarring stats To: "Post South SF Bay discus" Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:02 PM Wes Rolley wrote: > Eric A Meece wrote: >> I like Caroline's suggestions. I also think we can be more effective >> if we get a good lobbying committee and add to the pressure on our >> politicians to do the right things. Greens can demonstrate and carry >> signs, and I do too sometimes; but I'm a bit tired of yelling and not >> being heard. Anything we can do to educate the people about things >> like climate change and energy alternatives would fulfill our purpose >> as Greens. The fate of Prop 10 shows just how far we still need to go; >> the people don't seem to get it, even after all that has been told to >> them. > Eric, I fully agree on the futility of constant protest. However, it > seems to be a cultural norm. There is a time for protest, especially > since that may be the only way to get attention, but protest without > proposing positive policy improvements (see, I did not use the word > "change".) will eventually become just a footnote. For me, big protests are a great place to push stickers. Maybe a dozen per day of that. Then my pictures of the event get a hundred hits over a couple of days. Probably most of those from people that weren't there. Sometimes I have fantasies that some of those hits are from people that needed to get the point of the march. Of course, that would require that somebody I knew forwarded it to somebody like that. Hope springs eternal. > > There is a proposal before the national EcoAction Committee that we, as > a committee, establish a liaison with the committees of Congress that > actually affect our areas of concern: energy policy, global warming, > natural resource use and protection, infrastructure to support all of > that. I am not sure if we can make that happen in any realistic > manner, but the idea has merit. Maybe we should do something similar > within GPCA / Santa Clara County where the over-riding concern is one of > the proper role for government and how do we pay for it all. I remember when I was working at the Postal Service in DC. Microsoft was bombing us with magazines about the power of their software. Other vendors were doing the same thing. I remember looking at all the "POWER" on the shelf and commenting on it to a coworker. He looked the stuff and said "it's like that everywhere." I disagreed. Thinking about posting this comment I looked around this room. The only "POWER" that jumped out at me is the POWER TO THE PEOPLE from last summer's McKinney sticker. That's small compared to the SCHAFF in the poster left over from Stephanie Schaff's city council campaign, or many of the other names that decorate this den of green campaign souvenirs. My favorite souvineers are the memories of hearing my candidates on my radio. I've thought much about the fact those are just wetware shadows inside my skull and I need to use power to share them with you. We do need to reach out, but what's really needed by the big "WE" of Santa Clara County is the political will to use less fossil fuel based power. I firmly believe that is a change that can only happen when more of them "get it." I hope that happens before the sun goes cold... -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added SCCGP election night party pictures and commentary. That day Richard Carroll became Arkansas's first-ever Green legislator. Saturday: the New Zealand Green Party picked up two seats in Parliament. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Wed Nov 12 15:56:42 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:56:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] political impact. Message-ID: <67466.30318.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Okay, I've been reading over comments from several people who think we need to start pushing our message in the halls of power. We have no money to hire lobbyists. BUT, we could start going to all the City Council and County Council meetings, checking out the agendas, and, if there is anything even vaguely touching on a Green issue, signing up to make a comment. Some of those meetings are even carried on cable channels, and a few people even watch them. This is also a way to meet people who care about stuff. ? Oh, yes, and before we start running around saying we represent thousands of people in this county, I think we ought to make an effort to reach those people and find out what they think. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Wed Nov 12 16:45:40 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:45:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for December 3 Meeting Message-ID: <596771.72738.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you have items you wish to be addressed at the December 3 meeting, please send them to me. If you have any plans for action or implementation to go along with your agenda items, please send those, too, and I will include them. We might get more done if people have already had time to start processing ideas before the meeting. ? And if you can think of a better way to do this, please volunteer to make up the agenda for the January meeting. ? Caroline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 12 17:29:37 2008 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:29:37 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] wish list for Obama Message-ID: <491B8301.20102@sbcglobal.net> re Brian's list - a question - have you sent your list to him? re Mark's comment - precedents can also be reversed. re Caroline's idea - great, I like such substantive actions. Jim Doyle From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 12 18:01:10 2008 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:01:10 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] all the things we need to do Message-ID: <491B8A66.4030706@sbcglobal.net> One of my hobby horses is to try to convert an idea or a suggestion into a plan of action or at least into a proposal for such a plan or action and then see if it meets approval and gathers supporters who then implement the plan. Eric wrote I think we also need to be a pressure group and do lobbying. So we need to do other services as well ... Caroline cited Peter's statement we need to have more candidates for offices at all levels of government challenged the members present to bring in names of people willing to run at the next meeting. Caroline the following to Merriam Merriam (I think) also brought up the idea of serving on commissions, And this from Wes we need not more demonstrations but rather active engagement with the political process at all level: city, county, state, federal. I have a question or two re each of those ideas. The questions are intended to lead to a next step. Whom shall we lobby? Any particular issue? Who gets the task of doing the lobbying? What other services do you have in mind? Peter has put forth a challenge to take a step and bring in names. Which commissions, who joins the commissions? Wes himself has a good record with op eds in the Morgan Hill paper. But once again, I come to who is the we? Ideas abound but it is the we, the will, and the way that is missing. Jim Doyle From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 12 18:15:54 2008 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:15:54 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] notices of 3 events Message-ID: <491B8DDA.4010307@sbcglobal.net> Perhaps one or more of you will be able to attend one or more of these events. They come to us by way of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center's calendar. *Dahr Jamail - unembedded reports from Iraq* Wednesday, November 19 2008 @ 12:00 PM Engineering Auditorium, San Jose State Univ. 7th and San Fernando San Jose Dahr Jamail has filed indispensible reports from Iraq that have made him this generation's chronicler of the illegal US War on Iraq, from the siege of Fallujah to the origins of the Iraqi resistance. Dahr Jamail is special correspondent for Flashpoints, and also reports for Democracy Now! and many others. This event is sponsored by SJSU Dept. of Anthropology, SJSU Dept. of Comparative Literature, San Jose Peace & Justice Center, and South Bay Mobilization * Invisible No Longer -- Forum to Support Hyatt Workers * Wednesday, November 19 2008 @ 06:00 PM Santa Clara First Baptist Church 3111 Benton St. Santa Clara A community forum will be held to give visibility to the experiences of the workers at the Hyatt Hotel in Santa Clara. Workers at the Hyatt Santa Clara publicly asked for a fair process to choose a union back in June 2008. Unfortunately, Hyatt management continues to reject its workers' request for the company to stay neutral while workers decide for themselves whether or not to have a union -- a process known as a card check agreement. Housekeepers continue to clean 17-21 rooms each day, and some workers must rely on Healthy Families, public assistance for the most needy, for their children's health care coverage. Panelists invited to hear the workers' testimony include Paul Fong, candidate for State Assembly; Jamie McLeod, Santa Clara City Council; Jaime Alvarado, Executive Director of Somos Mayfair; Rev. Margaret Tenold, Director of Santa Clara County Council of Churches. Hosted by Rising Together coalition. *Tent City at San Jose State* Thursday, Thursday, November 20 - All Day SJSU Campus 7th and San Fernando Streets San Jose The Gulf Coast Civic Works Project sponsored by the Cesar E. Chavez Community Action Center will be displaying the injustices of poverty and homelessness by replicating Tent City in New Orleans by holding an event called ?Tent City America? on Thursday, November 20, 2008-November 21, 2008. The event will feature a number of tents displayed around the statues of John Carlos and Tommie Smith through out the whole day; each tent displaying informational facts about homelessness and poverty. In addition to the display, there will also be a program that will take place at 6pm that will consist of speakers, spoken word, music and a movie-Waging a Living. The students of San Jose State University and community will also have the opportunity to sleep out in the tents for a night to experience the lifestyle of the homeless. From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Nov 12 21:53:45 2008 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:53:45 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] wish list for Obama In-Reply-To: <491B8301.20102@sbcglobal.net> References: <491B8301.20102@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I haven't sent my list because I don't see why Obama should care about one nut's opinions about his Constitutional legacy, because I wanted some feedback on the list, and because I thought if it were to have any effect it should be a national effort. Since it can't succeed without the participation of the impeachment movement, and since it might tend to draw energy away from impeachment efforts, I thought it would be best to get the feedback from the 'peachers. So far I haven't heard a peep from them. 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URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Nov 13 07:32:16 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:32:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: Help Green Party's Malik Rahim win NOLA Congressional seat on Dec. 6 Message-ID: <51909.76.102.118.218.1226590336.squirrel@www.greens.org> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Help Malik Rahim win on Dec. 6 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:54:47 -0500 (EST) From: Marnie Glickman, Green Change Dear friend of Green Change, In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, when the levees broke and the federal authorities failed to help, Malik Rahim answered New Orleans' distress call, organizing thousands of Common Ground volunteers to provide food, health care and other basic services to hurricane victims. Now Hurricane Gustav has delayed the election in Louisiana's 2nd Congressional District to December 6th, and Malik Rahim is running for Congress against one of the most corrupt politicians in Washington, Rep. William Jefferson. Louisiana voters deserve an alternative to Jefferson, who is facing trial for 16 counts of corruption. That's where Malik Rahim comes in. To the people of New Orleans, Malik is a hero. He can win. But he needs our help. We know that with volunteers on the ground and money in the bank, a community organizer with a message of hope can triumph over corrupt politics-as-usual. Now is our chance to make history and elect the first Green member of Congress. Will you answer the call? Sign up to help Malik Rahim today. Then send Malik $25, $250 or whatever you can afford now at http://votemalik.com/contribute/. Every little bit goes a long way towards putting volunteers on the ground and getting Malik's voice on New Orleans radio, so please give what you can today. You can also contribute to this grassroots campaign simply by sending this email to your friends and family. To learn more about this inspiring Green leader, visit http://votemalik.com/. Peace, Marnie Glickman Executive Director Green Change From carolineyacoub at att.net Thu Nov 13 08:40:16 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:40:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering In-Reply-To: <939612.17069.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <479312.40586.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do we want to host this meeting enough to bankrupt ourselves? --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Michael Batchelder wrote: From: Michael Batchelder Subject: [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering To: sc-sm at lists.sonic.net Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:17 PM Ray Tobey did some research into a venue in Palo Alto.? His email is below.? Hopefully the the rich text is preserved.? Really good option with one drawback: the only solidly available date in January is the weekend of the 3rd and 4th.? That's awfully close to the hollidays.? Dunno if people would want to travel after the holliday travel, or if they would even be back yet.? Someone should find out if this is a bad date for the gathering. ? b. --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Ray Tobey wrote: From: Ray Tobey Subject: [gpsmc-admin] Venues for January Gathering To: "GPSMC Admin" Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:48 PM Hi all, I spoke to Marlies Toms at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo Alto. Most of the January weekends are partially booked. The only one completely open is the first, January 3rd and 4th. Room Rate Capacity Main Hall $350 Kitchen $90 Room 6,9,10,A $40 15 Room 4-5 $60 25-30 These rates are per day. We could get the rooms all day Saturday and 2 - 10pm Sunday. Friday might be open too, but I didn't ask. Each room will require a $90 security deposit, with an additional $90 cleaning deposit for any room where we plan to serve food. _______________________________________________ gpsmc-cc mailing list gpsmc-cc at lists.cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpsmc-cc http://cagreens.org/sanmateo/ _______________________________________________ SC-SM mailing list SC-SM at lists.sonic.net http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Nov 13 11:25:17 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:25:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering In-Reply-To: <479312.40586.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <479312.40586.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52210.76.102.118.218.1226604317.squirrel@www.greens.org> The concept of "Bankruptcy" does not apply to a political party. We are not a business. We only exist to further our party endeavors, so it makes zero sense to sit on our money (as was advocated by some at our November General Meeting on Wednesday Nov 5th). An event like a plenary will roughly pay for itself if we manage the money well and make reasonable choices about the dates we choose and accommodations. So absolutely YES we should step up and (possibly working with the San Mateo Green Party) host the January Plenary. Green is Bold! Drew On Thu, November 13, 2008 08:40, Caroline Yacoub wrote: > Do we want to host this meeting enough to bankrupt ourselves? > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Michael Batchelder wrote: > > From: Michael Batchelder > Subject: [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering > To: sc-sm at lists.sonic.net > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:17 PM > > > > > > > Ray Tobey did some research into a venue in Palo Alto.? His email is > below.? Hopefully the the rich text is preserved.? Really good option with > one drawback: the only solidly available date in January is the weekend of > the 3rd and 4th.? That's awfully close to the hollidays.? Dunno if people > would want to travel after the holliday travel, or if they would even be > back yet.? Someone should find out if this is a bad date for the > gathering. > ? > b. > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Ray Tobey wrote: > > From: Ray Tobey > Subject: [gpsmc-admin] Venues for January Gathering > To: "GPSMC Admin" > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:48 PM > > > Hi all, > > I spoke to Marlies Toms at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo Alto. > Most of the January weekends are partially booked. The only one completely > open is the first, January 3rd and 4th. > > > > > > Room > Rate > Capacity > > Main Hall > $350 > > Kitchen > $90 > > Room 6,9,10,A > $40 > 15 > > Room 4-5 > $60 > 25-30 > These rates are per day. We could get the rooms all day Saturday and 2 - > 10pm Sunday. Friday might be open too, but I didn't ask. > > Each room will require a $90 security deposit, with an additional $90 > cleaning deposit for any room where we plan to serve food. > _______________________________________________ > gpsmc-cc mailing list > gpsmc-cc at lists.cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpsmc-cc > http://cagreens.org/sanmateo/ > _______________________________________________ > SC-SM mailing list > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net > http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From tnharter at aceweb.com Thu Nov 13 12:01:27 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:01:27 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering In-Reply-To: <479312.40586.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <479312.40586.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <491C8797.8040008@aceweb.com> The best thing is if we can find a free venue. If we can do that the event could end up being a nice fund raiser. We'd also need something like a dozen volunteers that will put most of a weekend into the event plus more ahead of time to do prep work. Tian Caroline Yacoub wrote: > Do we want to host this meeting enough to bankrupt ourselves? > > --- On *Wed, 11/12/08, Michael Batchelder //* wrote: > > From: Michael Batchelder > Subject: [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering > To: sc-sm at lists.sonic.net > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:17 PM > > Ray Tobey did some research into a venue in Palo Alto. His email is > below. Hopefully the the rich text is preserved. Really good > option with one drawback: the only solidly available date in January > is the weekend of the 3rd and 4th. That's awfully close to the > hollidays. Dunno if people would want to travel after the holliday > travel, or if they would even be back yet. Someone should find out > if this is a bad date for the gathering. > > b. > > --- On *Wed, 11/12/08, Ray Tobey //* wrote: > > From: Ray Tobey > Subject: [gpsmc-admin] Venues for January Gathering > To: "GPSMC Admin" > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:48 PM > > Hi all, > > I spoke to Marlies Toms at the Unitarian Universalist Church of > Palo Alto > . Most > of the January weekends are partially booked. The only one > completely open is the first, January 3rd and 4th. > > Room Rate Capacity > Main Hall $350 > Kitchen $90 > Room 6,9,10,A $40 15 > Room 4-5 $60 25-30 > > > These rates are per day. We could get the rooms all day Saturday > and 2 - 10pm Sunday. Friday might be open too, but I didn't ask. > > Each room will require a $90 security deposit, with an > additional $90 cleaning deposit for any room where we plan to > serve food. > > _______________________________________________ > gpsmc-cc mailing list > gpsmc-cc at lists.cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpsmc-cc > http://cagreens.org/sanmateo/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SC-SM mailing list > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net > http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added pictures and commentary from Amanda's book party. From cbrouillet at igc.org Thu Nov 13 12:22:29 2008 From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:22:29 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering In-Reply-To: <52210.76.102.118.218.1226604317.squirrel@www.greens.org> References: <479312.40586.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <52210.76.102.118.218.1226604317.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: I always leave the country during the holidays and won't be back until January 2nd. I don't think those dates are good for a meeting. Carol At 11:25 AM 11/13/2008, Drew Johnson wrote: >The concept of "Bankruptcy" does not apply to a political party. We are >not a business. We only exist to further our party endeavors, so it makes >zero sense to sit on our money (as was advocated by some at our November >General Meeting on Wednesday Nov 5th). An event like a plenary will >roughly pay for itself if we manage the money well and make reasonable >choices about the dates we choose and accommodations. So absolutely YES >we should step up and (possibly working with the San Mateo Green Party) >host the January Plenary. > >Green is Bold! > >Drew > > >On Thu, November 13, 2008 08:40, Caroline Yacoub wrote: > > Do we want to host this meeting enough to bankrupt ourselves? > > > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Michael Batchelder wrote: > > > > From: Michael Batchelder > > Subject: [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering > > To: sc-sm at lists.sonic.net > > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray Tobey did some research into a venue in Palo Alto. His email is > > below. Hopefully the the rich text is preserved. Really good option with > > one drawback: the only solidly available date in January is the weekend of > > the 3rd and 4th. That's awfully close to the hollidays. Dunno if people > > would want to travel after the holliday travel, or if they would even be > > back yet. Someone should find out if this is a bad date for the > > gathering. > > > > b. > > > > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Ray Tobey wrote: > > > > From: Ray Tobey > > Subject: [gpsmc-admin] Venues for January Gathering > > To: "GPSMC Admin" > > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:48 PM > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I spoke to Marlies Toms at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo Alto. > > Most of the January weekends are partially booked. The only one completely > > open is the first, January 3rd and 4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Room > > Rate > > Capacity > > > > Main Hall > > $350 > > > > Kitchen > > $90 > > > > Room 6,9,10,A > > $40 > > 15 > > > > Room 4-5 > > $60 > > 25-30 > > These rates are per day. We could get the rooms all day Saturday and 2 - > > 10pm Sunday. Friday might be open too, but I didn't ask. > > > > Each room will require a $90 security deposit, with an additional $90 > > cleaning deposit for any room where we plan to serve food. > > _______________________________________________ > > gpsmc-cc mailing list > > gpsmc-cc at lists.cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpsmc-cc > > http://cagreens.org/sanmateo/ > > _______________________________________________ > > SC-SM mailing list > > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net > > http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Nov 13 15:52:28 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:52:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GreenPinkTrain 2 SF Green Festival this Saturday Message-ID: <52663.76.102.118.218.1226620348.squirrel@www.greens.org> GREEN HOLIDAYS ARE HERE AGAIN! Some of us Greens and (Code) Pinkers are taking an Auto-Free Adventure going to the Green Festival this Saturday AM Nov 15th ( http://www.greenfestivals.org/san-francisco ) by enjoying a ride on Caltrain ( http://caltrain.org ) to get there. Yes, carpooling, bicycling and other forms of mass transit are equally 'green' so we're not discouraging any of that, but for those who don't want to drive in and park in SF or who'd just enjoy the kinship of friendly Greens and Pinkers, or If you've always wondered how to take Caltrain this will be a guided experience (providing you come to one of the stops where Greens will be guiding from -- I'll start from the downtown SJ Caltrain "Diridon" Station). Plus this will be sort of a warmup for the MLK Freedom Train in February. ;-) NOTE: Optionally you may bring your BIKE on the train. If you choose to do this show 10 minutes earlier and AFTER BUYING YOUR CALTRAIN TICKET FROM THE TICKET MACHINE wait with your bike at the northernmost end of whatever station you're departing from and the last car on the north (leading) end of the train will be marked with a big yellow bike ARRIVAL & TICKETS: ARRIVE WITH ENOUGH TIME TO PURCHASE YOUR TICKET AND IF YOU'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE GIVE YOURSELF AN EXTRA TEN OR FIFTEEN MINUTES TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF. WITH THIS IN MIND I'VE ADDED 15 MINUTES TO EACH OF THE FOLLOWING TIMES. FIRST THING GO TO TICKET MACHINE & BUY YOUR CALTRAIN TICKET!!! YOU CAN'T BOARD WITHOUT IT. * "ELIGIBLE" = DISCOUNT FOR SENIOR / YOUTH / DISABLED / MEDICARE CARD HOLDER DAY PASS PRICES (BASED ON HOW MANY 'ZONES (ie. HOW FAR) YOU TRAVEL: 4 ZONES (ie. any station from SJ through Lawrence traveling to SF) ADULT: $15.00 * ELIGIBLE: 3 ZONES (ie. any station from Sunnyvale through Menlo Park traveling to SF) ADULT: $11.50 * ELIGIBLE: $ 5.75 2 ZONES (ie. any station Redwood City through Milbrae to SF) ADULT: $8 * ELIGIBLE: $4 1 ZONE (ie. from San Bruno or S. SF to SF ADULT: $4.50 * ELIGIBLE: $2.25 WHEN TO GET YOURSELF TO CALTRAIN STATION: Tamien: 9:15AM * SJ Downtown "Diridon" 9:45 Santa Clara (El Camino & 9:50 Lawrence (off of Kifer) 9:55 Sunnyvale (Evelyn & Mathilda)10:00 *MV (Evelyn & Castro) 10:00 San Antonio (& Showers) 10:05 California Ave (& Park Ave) 10:10 Palo Alto (University) 10:15 Menlo Park (El Camino) 10:20 SINCE WEEKEND TRAINS ARE 'LOCALS' THEY STOP AT EACH STOP (NO EXPRESS TRAINS) SO INSTEAD OF WEEKDAY 1 HOUR FR. SJ TO SF EXPECT 1.5 HR. BRING A BOOK OR A FRIEND, KICK BACK AND ENJOY THE RIDE. NOTE: ON THE WAY BACK, THE TRAINS START ONCE PER HOUR ON THE HOUR UNTIL MIDNIGHT (EXCEPT THERE'S NO 11PM TRAIN). ONCE WE ARRIVE AT THE SF STATION (4TH AND TOWNSEND) WE'LL WALK AND RIDE OUR BIKES TOGETHER 5 BLOCKS TO THE San Francisco Concourse Exhibition Center 635 8th St (at Brannan St) San Francisco, CA 94103 STOP BY THE SF GREEN PARTY BOOTH OUTSIDE THE EXHIBIT CENTER AND THE CODE PINK BOOTH INSIDE AND SAY HI!!! Green Festival PRICE is $15 for one day (or free if you bring your Coop America card or a print out of the e-mail from them). The schedule is at http://www.greenfestivals.org/san-francisco/schedules/ This year's Featured speakers include: Dr. Cornel West, Chuck D, Winona LaDuke, Van Jones and Rickie Byars Beckwith. http://www.greenfestivals.org/san-francisco "Welcome to Green Festival?, a joint project of Global Exchange and Co-op America. We?re celebrating what?s working in our communities?for people, business and the environment. Join us at the nation?s premier sustainability event in San Francisco for 3 days filled with the best in green! > 125 renowned authors, leaders & educators > 350 eco-friendly businesses in a unique marketplace > Workshops, green films, kids? activities, live music & more > Delicious, organic, vegetarian cuisine" Green and Pink is Core! Drew From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Nov 13 18:42:51 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:42:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering In-Reply-To: References: <479312.40586.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <52210.76.102.118.218.1226604317.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: <52880.76.102.118.218.1226630571.squirrel@www.greens.org> Instead of focusing on our challenges, lets figure out how we can make it happen -- asset-based thinking (ABT) rather than Deficit-Based Thinking. This is an opportunity for us to rev up our two county parties and serve our party in a way that builds everyone up (most especially us). We have options like home stays, hostels etc. that can make this work. We can figure it out, no prob. We are a vital, up and coming Green Party region that has not hosted a plenary in ... (a very long time). We did a smaller gathering last year at Stanford. This is extremely doable. Green is GO! Drew On Thu, November 13, 2008 14:33, Brian Good wrote: > > > The extreme expense for motels in the area is another factor. > Doesn't it make sense to have plenaries in places with good > transportation and cheap motels? > > > >> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:25:17 -0800 >> From: JamBoi at Greens.org >> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; sc-sm at lists.sonic.net >> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering >> >> The concept of "Bankruptcy" does not apply to a political party. We are >> not a business. We only exist to further our party endeavors, so it >> makes >> zero sense to sit on our money (as was advocated by some at our November >> General Meeting on Wednesday Nov 5th). An event like a plenary will >> roughly pay for itself if we manage the money well and make reasonable >> choices about the dates we choose and accommodations. So absolutely YES >> we should step up and (possibly working with the San Mateo Green Party) >> host the January Plenary. >> >> Green is Bold! >> >> Drew >> >> >> On Thu, November 13, 2008 08:40, Caroline Yacoub wrote: >> > Do we want to host this meeting enough to bankrupt ourselves? >> > >> > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Michael Batchelder >> wrote: >> > >> > From: Michael Batchelder >> > Subject: [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering >> > To: sc-sm at lists.sonic.net >> > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:17 PM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Ray Tobey did some research into a venue in Palo Alto. His email is >> > below. Hopefully the the rich text is preserved. Really good option >> with >> > one drawback: the only solidly available date in January is the >> weekend of >> > the 3rd and 4th. That's awfully close to the hollidays. Dunno if >> people >> > would want to travel after the holliday travel, or if they would even >> be >> > back yet. Someone should find out if this is a bad date for the >> > gathering. >> > >> > b. >> > >> > --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Ray Tobey wrote: >> > >> > From: Ray Tobey >> > Subject: [gpsmc-admin] Venues for January Gathering >> > To: "GPSMC Admin" >> > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:48 PM >> > >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I spoke to Marlies Toms at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Palo >> Alto. >> > Most of the January weekends are partially booked. The only one >> completely >> > open is the first, January 3rd and 4th. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Room >> > Rate >> > Capacity >> > >> > Main Hall >> > $350 >> > >> > Kitchen >> > $90 >> > >> > Room 6,9,10,A >> > $40 >> > 15 >> > >> > Room 4-5 >> > $60 >> > 25-30 >> > These rates are per day. We could get the rooms all day Saturday and 2 >> - >> > 10pm Sunday. Friday might be open too, but I didn't ask. >> > >> > Each room will require a $90 security deposit, with an additional $90 >> > cleaning deposit for any room where we plan to serve food. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > gpsmc-cc mailing list >> > gpsmc-cc at lists.cagreens.org >> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpsmc-cc >> > http://cagreens.org/sanmateo/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SC-SM mailing list >> > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net >> > http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 From wrolley at charter.net Thu Nov 13 21:55:54 2008 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:55:54 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering In-Reply-To: <52880.76.102.118.218.1226630571.squirrel@www.greens.org> References: <479312.40586.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <52210.76.102.118.218.1226604317.squirrel@www.greens.org> <52880.76.102.118.218.1226630571.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: <491D12EA.1020408@charter.net> Drew Johnson wrote: > Instead of focusing on our challenges, lets figure out how we can make it happen -- asset-based thinking (ABT) rather than Deficit-Based Thinking. This is an opportunity for us to rev up our two county parties and serve our party in a way that builds everyone up (most especially us). > > We have options like home stays, hostels etc. that can make this work. We can figure it out, no prob. We are a vital, up and coming Green Party region that has not hosted a plenary in ... (a very long time). We did a smaller gathering last year at Stanford. This is extremely doable. > For one thing, this is not for a formal plenary. The term used in the CC minutes / discussions was a gathering, such as we had in Alameda not too long ago The implication is that it would be more informal and that it would not be as highly attended as a formal plenary might be. Then, I may be wrong about the attendance. Also, dates are very much open for discussion based on who can do what and when. If we are serious, then we need to be tied into the planning as quickly as possible. It is getting late to make arrangements for a state-wide meeting in the early 1st quarter. Wes -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From tnharter at aceweb.com Fri Nov 14 00:03:20 2008 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:03:20 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bicycles and the Law Message-ID: <491D30C8.2040005@aceweb.com> The Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition had a talk by Gary C. Brustin, an Attorney specializing in cycling law this evening. When I got there somebody told me the guy would be late. It wasn't a problem though, there was lots of interesting talk in air. For one thing the County Supervisors are looking to trying to regulate bicyclist gatherings of more than 50 people on County roads. Look for more on that in a day or two on the SVBC email list. The venue was the lunch room at Mountain View City Hall. Being in the heart of Silicon Valley, even the soda machine was something else. We found out when somebody put their money in the thing and dialed up a drink. There was a complicated whirring noise as this shuttle moved to the row and column where the guys choice was next. Then there was a bass grinding noise and a thunk as the 16 oz. bottle was put on the shuttle. Then another whirring as it moved down and to the right, finally the normal vending sounds as the drink fell six inches down the delivery chute. By this time everybody was watching the amazing high tech spectacle. The customer picked up his choice and was leaving when a higher pitched whir followed by the sound of coins on metal told me something. I said "you forgot your change." The guy went back for it. Jack intoned "the change came from within." I could hear a spiritual Asian sounding trill of plucked notes in his voice until the whole room burst into laughter. Then we went back to enjoying each others company as the room filled with bicycles and the people that rode in on them. Maybe there were twenty or thirty of us when the talk got under way. Gary started by explaining that he wanted us to learn what the most frequent bicycle accidents he sees are, how the drivers see us, and what can be done about it. He explained that he has been litigating these cases for many years, and he has seen most of these situations over and over. He is a bicyclist himself, so he knows the roads the way we do. By far the most common accident that results in litigation is a car making a left turn into a bicyclist. What happens is that the driver doesn't see the bicyclist. Often the road is gridlocked, and the rider is cruising in the bike lane behind a row of parked minivans and SUVs. Maybe there are high bushes in the median. Sometimes the rider is just moving fast enough that the driver didn't notice them. The way to prevent this kind of wreak is to look before crossing an intersection that might have cross traffic. Absolutely if you sue the driver your chances of winning are good, but you still have to deal with a broken clavicle or whatever the injuries are. Preventing injuries is better. Another kind of accident he sees frequently is a car making a right turn into a bicyclist. The most common reason for this is that the cyclist had to cross a right turn lane to go straight, and the driver didn't see them. Sometimes the driver wanted to make a right turn into a driveway and didn't see the cyclist. These accidents are much more likely to result is serious injury to the cyclist. Often a case can be made, but again, preventing accidents is much better. He recommends going slow enough when this is likely so that your reaction times are effective. The most serious injuries happen when a car and a bicycle are going in the same direction and the car drifts into the bicycle. The law says that cars can only pass when it's safe, and Gary often wins these cases when they are litigated, but that's no help if you are a dead bicyclist. Usually drivers say "I didn't see the bicyclist." Usually Gary sees a few bike vs. dog cases every year. The law says that dogs not on private property must be on a leash under the control of the owner. If a dog gets caught in your spokes when chasing you the owner is probably liable. If there is a wreak. Gary advises people to first get off the road, then get the police and ambulance (if one is required). Usually the ambulance ride will get paid for by insurance. You might need the hospital. Sometimes injuries take a little while to make themselves known. If at all possible get the police to file a police report. Take pictures of the scene, they will be valuable if you need to go to court. Don't just get the injury and the blood. Get pictures of the skid marks, the car, the bike, the intersection. Get license plate numbers and insurance policy information. Take notes on what happened. The more information you can capture at the time, the easier it will be to reconstruct what happened for the case later. If you need a lawyer get one involved as soon as possible. Two months later it is very difficult to figure out exactly what happened. There are two ways to prevent wreaks. One is to be a safe rider. The other is to work through advocacy organizations to get bike lanes, lights that respect bicycles, and other measures that make being a bicyclist part of a holistic urban landscape. Gary recommends that everybody join the League of American Bicyclists (bikeleague.org) which does excellent national advocacy (they recently got employer incentives for encouraging bike commuting signed into law), California Bicycle Coalition (calbike.org) (their new whole streets law should be making streets safer for bicyclists statewide), and the Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition (bikesiliconvalley.org) (just about everybody in the room is already a member). Gary finished by saying always carry ID when out on a bicycle. Make sure you have your name, address, phone number, any allergy information, and whom to contact in an emergency on you. If you do get in a wreak and you do need a lawyer, Gary can be found at bicyclelawyer.com. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added pictures and commentary from Amanda's book party. From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Nov 14 00:58:01 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:58:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Prop 8 and protests this weekend Message-ID: <52912.76.102.118.218.1226653081.squirrel@www.greens.org> IMO we need get the GPCA fully engaged in the overturning of Prop 8. Unlike the Dems we are four-square, unambiguously behind LGBTQ rights and this is a time when the LGBTQ community NEEDS our help. For earth's sake, here's note from GP of Colorado Co-Chair Claire Ryder asking what WE GPCAers are doing about this!!! Let's get going folks. Green is Multi! Drew Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:51:10 -0700 From: "Claire Ryder" Subject: [usgp-dx] Prop 8 and protests this weekend I haven't seen anything coming out from the GP about Prop 8. I think that the GP should issue a statement. All over the country, this Saturday, there are going to be protests http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/?t=anon Many Colorado Greens will be attending the one in Denver. I encourage other Greens to check out the website and go to events in your city. From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Nov 14 01:18:56 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:18:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GP victories and progress in 2008 election Message-ID: <53028.76.102.118.218.1226654336.squirrel@www.greens.org> http://greenexus.ning.com/forum/topics/gp-victories-and-progress-in Green is Spreading! Drew From carolineyacoub at att.net Fri Nov 14 09:22:55 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:22:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Re: [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering Message-ID: <230212.98993.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can accommodate six people sleeping in my house. And I can transport them to wherever the venue is.? And I can transport stuff. And anyone who comes by train can easily walk to my house. And I will help clean up afterward. I do not want to attend any planning meetings. Caroline --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Wes Rolley wrote: From: Wes Rolley Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Cc: "Drew Johnson" Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 9:55 PM Drew Johnson wrote: > Instead of focusing on our challenges, lets figure out how we can make it happen -- asset-based thinking (ABT) rather than Deficit-Based Thinking. This is an opportunity for us to rev up our two county parties and serve our party in a way that builds everyone up (most especially us). > > We have options like home stays, hostels etc. that can make this work. We can figure it out, no prob. We are a vital, up and coming Green Party region that has not hosted a plenary in ... (a very long time). We did a smaller gathering last year at Stanford. This is extremely doable. > For one thing, this is not for a formal plenary. The term used in the CC minutes / discussions was a gathering, such as we had in Alameda not too long ago The implication is that it would be more informal and that it would not be as highly attended as a formal plenary might be. Then, I may be wrong about the attendance. Also, dates are very much open for discussion based on who can do what and when. If we are serious, then we need to be tied into the planning as quickly as possible. It is getting late to make arrangements for a state-wide meeting in the early 1st quarter. Wes -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcathy at aol.com Fri Nov 14 16:31:47 2008 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:31:47 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Blacks v Gays Message-ID: <8CB14D0AD5D1178-9E4-198A@webmail-md18.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends, This morning I opened my E-Mail to find a raging note from my oldest and best friend from Hampton University, now living in the Washington, D.C. area.? The story was a Big Lie that Roseanne Barr had something to do with "No on Prop 8" activists calling Barack Obama a "N----- Puppet" as part of a general "blast" or "rant" against all Blacks.? My old friend demanded a "reply" from "my California friends" on just what we intent to do against these "outrageous" statements.? I've researched this question on the Internet today.? And if you want to read my reply, you must point your web browser to http://cagreening.blogspot.com.? Do not reply to this e-mail.? Post a comment on? California Greening.? It is important that people post comments.? Particularly on a sensitive matter like this. 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URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Sat Nov 15 09:23:52 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:23:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing Prop. 8 Message-ID: <49412.76.102.118.218.1226769832.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing Prop. 8 From: civillib at comcast.net Date: Fri, November 14, 2008 23:47 To: "gpcamedia" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- [...] Sending. Cres News Advisory THE GREEN PARTY OF CALIFORNIA www.cagreens.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, November 14, 2008 Contact: Cres Vellucci, press secretary, 916.996-9170 cvellucci at cagreens.org Attention: Weekend Editor Green Party of California endorses mass protests Saturday across the nation, and the state against Prop. 8, says it rejects legislation that legalizes a ???hate crime' SACRAMENTO ??? The Green Party of California endorsed mass, worldwide demonstrations this Saturday (November 15) in every state in the nation, including California, protesting the passage of Proposition 8, California's anti-gay marriage amendment, as well as other anti-gay ballot initiatives in Arkansas, Arizona and Florida. More than 1 million people are expected to participate. In California, demonstrations are being planned in at least 65 cities, including Sacramento, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Oakland/Berkeley, Fresno, Long Beach and Bakersfield, according to JoinTheImpact.com, which is organizing the national protests. Protests are planned to be simultaneous, starting nationwide at 10:30 a.m. (1:30 p.m EST.). "The Green Party of California very strongly opposed Proposition 8. We fully support the freedom to marry, and all the rights, benefits and responsibilities without discrimination based on sex, gender or sexual orientation. We oppose any legislation that, as Prop. 8 does, legalizes this form of a hate crime," said the GPCA in a statement Friday. "We want to plant the seed of change and community (and) not let anger steer the conversation," said JoinTheImpact.com, adding that the protests are meant to encourage the Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender/Queer (LGBTQ) community to fight back in a show of national unity against these initiatives in a "respectful manner." For more info: http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/ Michael Bolognino or Amy Balliett 1-866-573-6776 -30- From pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com Sat Nov 15 12:50:28 2008 From: pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com (Paul & Mary Engstrom) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:50:28 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: [pgp-pdx-discuss] [Fwd: [usgp-nc] Call for submissions to Green Pages] References: <491E3B1D.2000902@hevanet.com> Message-ID: <1922D85A-4FBA-46F2-B8F9-F306D485E512@macreviewzone.com> FYI and action. Begin forwarded message: > From: Paul Loney > Date: November 14, 2008 6:59:41 PM PST > To: "pgp-cc at list.pacificgreens.org" , pgp-pdx-discuss at list.pacificgreens.org > Subject: [pgp-pdx-discuss] [Fwd: [usgp-nc] Call for submissions to > Green Pages] > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: > Date: > From: > Reply-To: > To: > > > > This is a reminder to submit your Op.Eds., Cartoons, > Pictures or State Reports to Green Pages for > 2009, Issue 1. Please pass this on to your states, > caucuses and committees. > > Green Pages, the national newspaper of the Green Party > of the United States,is looking for concise opinion > pieces (op-eds) for 2009, Issue 1 , as well as > timely reports from states, caucuses, and committees. > (Please see reports guidelines below.) > > > Opinion submissions are evaluated by the entire > editorial board on the basis of relevance, timeliness, > writing quality, research quality and diversity. 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URL: From edenw at gal3.com Sat Nov 15 19:54:50 2008 From: edenw at gal3.com (eden) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:54:50 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing Prop. 8 In-Reply-To: <49412.76.102.118.218.1226769832.squirrel@greens.org> References: <49412.76.102.118.218.1226769832.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing > Prop. 8 I went to 2 of the demonstrations today, San Jose and Mountain View (the second was held later for documentary purposes). While at the MV one i was handed a flier. On one side the paper had some information about Prop 8. The other side was for a Socialist party (i forget which one and i'm sorry, but now i can't even find that paper). With all due respect for the endorsement of the protests, how many people outside of the Green Party will know, or care, about this "support", which was "released" at midnight before the event. I believe that if the Greens ever want to be taken seriously, outside of an election here and there, there must be "feet on the ground". -- eden From andid at cagreens.org Sun Nov 16 13:12:05 2008 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:12:05 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [SC-SM] Fw: Venues for January Gathering In-Reply-To: <491CF64A.4090107@greens.org> References: <939612.17069.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5F68C3F3-39A3-41F7-B06B-7F2E161F529A@cagreens.org> <491CF64A.4090107@greens.org> Message-ID: Jim, You are thinking of the Mitchell Park Community Center, 3800 Middlefield Rd. Palo Alto, between Meadow and Charleston. Also close to 101. Mitchell Park Community Center in Palo Alto is an older facility but great for groups, and can be used for serving food from their kitchen, has enough floor space for a dancing, can provide dining tables and chairs (not fancy) for eating or working groups, and has several rooms off the main hall that could be used for smaller meetings. Gerry Gras and Dana St George also have attended meetings in this venue?it shares space with a Palo Alto Library branch and has a nice grassy park for picnicking and informal games/sports; has tennis courts; has both sunny and tree-shaded lawn areas; ample parking spaces. I don't know the cost of rental, but Gerry and/or Dana might. Is rented by several groups, including the Humanist Community. Andrea On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:53 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote: > Glad to see some folks taking the initiative on finding a venue. > I've not > heard any formal decision on hosting, but securing a venue first is > a good > step towards making that decision. But we do need to come to a > definitive > answer soon. > > I'm having one of those weeks at work where we have to put in some > long > hours so I'm going to be brief. > > January can be a tough month to schedule a meeting like this. The > first > weekend doesn't work because a lot of people have been out of town > for the > holidays the previous week. MLK day makes the 17-18 weekend > undesirable. So > it's the 10-11 and 24-25 weekends that we should target. > > Location does make a difference. Some folks think a quaint setting > in the > hills is preferable. Although that makes for a nice setting, we've > found > that anything that isn't near a major artery or airport draws much > smaller > crowds. > > Also, given that this is a Gathering, and it's being done on short > notice, > we might consider proposing a one-day meeting. It would be much > easier to > organize, and many people are amenable to giving up only one day as > opposed > to the entire weekend. I'll pose this to the CC and see what they > think. > > > It would be great if some folks can help checking out venues. We > held a > retreat last Jan. in a big church in Palo Alto on Cowper. I can't > remember > the name, but it was very reasonable. Warner, do you remember what > that > place was? > > Also, there's a park (Mitchel?) with a community center on > Middlefield near > Mtn View. I looked at it a few years and remember it being adequate > for > something like this. > > Just a little farther east is a high school where I've attended > several > events. Can't remember the name of that either. Do any of you > recognize this > description? > > I see some discussions about this on the county lists. Let's > remember to > coordinate all this on this list. > > Jim > > > _______________________________________________ > SC-SM mailing list > SC-SM at lists.sonic.net > http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/sc-sm > From JamBoi at Greens.org Sun Nov 16 13:43:21 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:43:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing Prop. 8 In-Reply-To: References: <49412.76.102.118.218.1226769832.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <49334.76.102.118.218.1226871801.squirrel@greens.org> Yes, of course Eden we definitely need to put our feet on the street. Simultaneously I'm pleased we were able to get a release out, even though it came as late as it did. Better something late than missing it altogether. I'm happy to hear you made it to some local events and thereby represented us Eden! If you have connections to local groups working to overturn Prop 8 (or any other important issues we could be working on in alliance w/), please post that info here so more of us can join in. In the Greens there is no central authority that is going to point us somewhere and we will all follow. Instead we have a DIY (Do It Yourself) party where each of us is leaders and we network with each other to bring our weight to bear on important issues. Green is Multi! Drew On Sat, November 15, 2008 19:54, eden wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: >> ---------------------------- Original Message >> ---------------------------- >> Subject: ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing >> Prop. 8 > > I went to 2 of the demonstrations today, San Jose and Mountain View > (the second was held later for documentary purposes). While at the MV > one i was handed a flier. On one side the paper had some information > about Prop 8. The other side was for a Socialist party (i forget which > one and i'm sorry, but now i can't even find that paper). > > With all due respect for the endorsement of the protests, how many > people outside of the Green Party will know, or care, about this > "support", which was "released" at midnight before the event. I > believe that if the Greens ever want to be taken seriously, outside of > an election here and there, there must be "feet on the ground". > > -- > eden > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From JamBoi at Greens.org Sun Nov 16 15:28:58 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:28:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Malik Rahim for Congress in New Orleans Dec. election Message-ID: <49441.76.102.118.218.1226878138.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [G-C-F] malik in the news From: "Marnie Glickman" Date: Sat, November 15, 2008 15:08 To: cal-forum at cagreens.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear friends, I just posted 457 pages of Malik Rahim news stories on the Green Change network. http://network.greenchange.org/blogs/2742-457-pages-of-malik-rahim-news-stories Don't ever say that the media ignores Greens. Let's finish the GPUS $3,000 fundraising drive early. Give now. Give big. Malik needs at least $30,000 more to buy radio ads and literature. He can win. Peace, Marnie **** Marnie Glickman Executive director Green Change www.greenchange.org 503.313.7919 w 707.313.7919 f skype: marnieglickman My Green Change page: http://network.greenchange.org/people/marnie Green Change is a community of people with Green values: justice, grassroots democracy, sustainability and non-violence. We work together to share Green art, politics and culture. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Marnie Glickman Executive director Green Change www.greenchange.org 503.313.7919 w 707.313.7919 f skype: marnieglickman My Green Change page: http://network.greenchange.org/people/marnie Green Change is a community of people with Green values: justice, grassroots democracy, sustainability and non-violence. We work together to share Green art, politics and culture. _______________________________________________ cal-forum mailing list cal-forum at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/cal-forum From JamBoi at Greens.org Sun Nov 16 15:43:58 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:43:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Congressional Candidate Honored for Commitment to Humanity Message-ID: <49487.76.102.118.218.1226879038.squirrel@greens.org> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:36:03 +0000 From: Scott McLarty Subject: [usgp-dx] RELEASE Green candidate for US House in La. honored for commitment to humanity Distributed by the Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org For Immediate Release Contact: Pat LaMarche, Malik for U.S. Congress, 207.671.0190 Miles Dinnen, Thomas Merton Center, 412.361.3022 Louisiana Congressional Candidate Honored for Commitment to Humanity Malik Rahim: 2008 Thomas Merton Award Recipient [Pittsburg, Pennsylvania] Thomas Merton, philosopher and noteworthy catholic author and theologian once said, "We must make the choices that enable us to fulfill the deepest capacities of our real selves." Even though he died 40 years before last night's award ceremony, honoring Malik Rahim for his work; one might have imagined that Thomas Merton said those words with Malik in mind." Malik Rahim is the Green Party candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives in Louisiana's District 2 (http:www.votemalik.com). Miles Dinnen, spokesperson for the Thomas Merton center explained the choice that they made this year when selecting their honoree: "This year, we honor longtime housing and prison activist Malik Rahim. Malik gained publicity as a community organizer in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina when he stayed in New Orleans to assist the community and co-founded the Common Ground Collective." Since then, Malik has been speaking out about racism and the failures of government exposed by the Katrina disaster. Dinnen continues, "We honor a man who took fifty dollars and with the help of three friends worked for social justice at a time of great crisis. We find his work so valuable, and the fact that he could do this work in the wake of Hurricane Katrina really caught our attention." Rahim took time from his U.S. Congressional campaign to travel to Pittsburg to receive this award. With only weeks left before the special election which has been rescheduled because of Gustav, another hurricane that has challenged New Orleans and proven the flexibility of her residents. "My campaign for Congress is about promise for the future," said Rahim. "This award was about the past we are building on: the past that has set us on a course for this future. I had to go, I needed to go and accept this award on behalf of the 20,000 volunteers who made Common Ground Relief happen." "I am against war, against violence, against violent revolution, for peaceful settlement of differences, for nonviolent but nevertheless radical changes. Change is needed, and violence will not really change anything: at most it will only transfer power from one set of bull-headed authorities to another." -- Thomas Merton More information: Malik Rahim, candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives, District 2, Louisiana http:www.votemalik.com Thomas Merton Award http://www.thomasmertoncenter.org Common Ground Collective http://www.commongroundrelief.org From JamBoi at Greens.org Sun Nov 16 20:45:17 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:45:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Greens focus on electing Malik Rahim, La. candidate for US House on Dec. 6 Message-ID: <50828.76.102.118.218.1226897117.squirrel@greens.org> GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES http://www.gp.org For Immediate Release: Monday, November 17, 2008 Contacts: Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, cell 202-904-7614, mclarty at greens.org Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene at gp.org Christian Roselund, Media Contact for the Malik Rahim campaign, 504-905-5676, c.roselund at gmail.com http://www.votemalik.com Greens focus on electing Malik Rahim, Louisiana Green Party candidate for the US House on Dec. 6 ??? Rahim, co-founder of the Common Ground Collective, receives Thomas Merton Award for his relief work in the aftermath of Katrina ??? Video clip: Rahim's keynote speech at the Green Party's 2008 National Convention, July 12 in Chicago http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7226475852159421918 WASHINGTON, DC -- Green Party leaders are focusing on the campaign to elect Malik Rahim, Louisiana Green candidate for the US House in New Orleans (District 2) (http://www.votemalik.com), urging local and national support and assistance for Mr. Rahim. The election for the 2nd District US House seat will take place on December 6 instead of November 4 because of election delays caused by Hurricanes Gustave and Ike. District 2 is currently represented by William Jefferson, who is facing trial on 16 counts of corruption. "Malik Rahim is more than just a welcome change from Rep. Jefferson and the corrupt political culture he represents. New Orleans voters have a chance to elect a hero who organized thousands of Common Ground volunteers to provide food, health care, and other basic services to hurricane victims in the wake of Hurricane Katrina," said Jody Grage, treasurer of the Green Party of the United States. "We're encouraging Greens and friends all over the US to donate to his campaign, and those who can get to New Orleans to work on his campaign." Mr. Rahim is co-founder of the Common Ground Collective (http://www.commongroundrelief.org), an organization that provides short-term relief to victims of hurricane disasters in the Gulf Coast region. Mr. Rahim is a former Black Panther and ran for New Orleans City Council in 2002 as a Green Party candidate. On November 12, Malik Rahim received the Thomas Merton Award (http://www.thomasmertoncenter.org) for his work in community organizing and providing relief in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Under Mr. Rahim's leadership, the Common Ground Collective opened the first free health clinic in the city of New Orleans, helped reopen schools, gutted over 3,000 homes that needed repair in the Ninth Ward of New Orleans, and provided direct services to nearly 200,000 returning residents. Malik Rahim's political agenda include support for a national health care program (with an endorsement of HR676, 'The United States National Health Insurance Act'), federal money to rebuild the Gulf Coast region's healthcare infrastructure, federally funded Category 5 flood protection, and comprehensive storm protection by maintaining and preserving ecosystem services, including rebuilding the region's cypress swamps. MORE INFORMATION Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org 202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN Fax 202-319-7193 ??? Running tally of Green election victories http://www.gp.org/2008-elections/election-results.html ??? Green candidate news http://www.gp.org/2008-elections/candidate-news.php ??? Green candidate database for 2008 and other campaign information: http://www.gp.org/elections.shtml ??? Green Party News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml ??? Green Party Speakers Bureau http://www.gp.org/speakers ??? Green Party ballot access page http://www.gp.org/2008-elections Cynthia McKinney/Rosa Clemente 'Power to the People' Campaign for the White House http://www.runcynthiarun.org http://votetruth08.com http://www.rosaclemente.com ~ END ~ _______________________________________________ usgp-media mailing list usgp-media at gp-us.org http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-media From JamBoi at Greens.org Sun Nov 16 21:08:19 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:08:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Cynthia McKinney on Malik Rahim foR Congress Message-ID: <50920.76.102.118.218.1226898499.squirrel@greens.org> FW: From Cynthia Mckinney: "Hello! I've been busy contemplating so many questions from so many of you about where do we go from here. It is clear that many understand the challenges that we now face and what is becoming even clearer is that far more who didn't vote for us are now looking to us for leadership on issues that we raised during the campaign like, for example, the bailout. I do have some concrete, solution-oriented ideas and will explore them with you in the days ahead. But I wanted to do something now that is important to all of us, because we still have one more Congressional election within our grasp. We all know the importance of having someone of conscience in the United States Congress, someone of unbending commitment to our values and not just another representative of "business-as-usual" politics. Malik Rahim proved his mettle when we all watched in horror as events unfolded in New Orleans and the Gulf States. What a shame that African-American Hurricane Katrina survivors have had to file a discrimination lawsuit against Louisiana's Road Home program in order to earn their right of return. With Malik in Washington, our own internally displaced population can finally see justice--and not just abundant hot air--delivered from the halls of the U.S. Capitol. We need Malik now and now Malik needs us. Bill Jefferson, the incumbent, has been indicted on 16 counts of corruption charges. We need Malik in that seat! For those of you who are close to Louisiana, please consider giving Malik a weekend to knock on doors and make important voter contact in the lead-up to the December 6 Louisiana General Election. Please visit http://www.votemalik.com/ and make a contribution today! From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Nov 17 10:38:03 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:38:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing Prop. 8 In-Reply-To: <49334.76.102.118.218.1226871801.squirrel@greens.org> References: <49412.76.102.118.218.1226769832.squirrel@greens.org> <49334.76.102.118.218.1226871801.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <51691.76.102.118.218.1226947083.squirrel@greens.org> BTW Eden, I forwarded your note to the GP of California Media Committee that had come up with the release... Green is Multi! Drew On Sun, November 16, 2008 13:43, Drew Johnson wrote: > Yes, of course Eden we definitely need to put our feet on the street. > Simultaneously I'm pleased we were able to get a release out, even though > it came as late as it did. Better something late than missing it > altogether. I'm happy to hear you made it to some local events and > thereby represented us Eden! If you have connections to local groups > working to overturn Prop 8 (or any other important issues we could be > working on in alliance w/), please post that info here so more of us can > join in. In the Greens there is no central authority that is going to > point us somewhere and we will all follow. Instead we have a DIY (Do It > Yourself) party where each of us is a leader and we network with each other > to bring our weight to bear on important issues. > > Green is Multi! > > Drew > > > On Sat, November 15, 2008 19:54, eden wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: >>> ---------------------------- Original Message >>> ---------------------------- >>> Subject: ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing >>> Prop. 8 >> >> I went to 2 of the demonstrations today, San Jose and Mountain View >> (the second was held later for documentary purposes). While at the MV >> one i was handed a flier. On one side the paper had some information >> about Prop 8. The other side was for a Socialist party (i forget which >> one and i'm sorry, but now i can't even find that paper). >> >> With all due respect for the endorsement of the protests, how many >> people outside of the Green Party will know, or care, about this >> "support", which was "released" at midnight before the event. I >> believe that if the Greens ever want to be taken seriously, outside of >> an election here and there, there must be "feet on the ground". >> >> -- >> eden >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Nov 17 10:43:49 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:43:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: notices of 3 RELEVANT events THIS WED & THU IN SJ Message-ID: <51707.76.102.118.218.1226947429.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: notices of 3 events From: "Jim Doyle" Date: Wed, November 12, 2008 18:15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps one or more of you will be able to attend one or more of these events. They come to us by way of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center's calendar. *Dahr Jamail - unembedded reports from Iraq* Wednesday, November 19 2008 @ 12:00 PM Engineering Auditorium, San Jose State Univ. 7th and San Fernando San Jose Dahr Jamail has filed indispensible reports from Iraq that have made him this generation's chronicler of the illegal US War on Iraq, from the siege of Fallujah to the origins of the Iraqi resistance. Dahr Jamail is special correspondent for Flashpoints, and also reports for Democracy Now! and many others. This event is sponsored by SJSU Dept. of Anthropology, SJSU Dept. of Comparative Literature, San Jose Peace & Justice Center, and South Bay Mobilization * Invisible No Longer -- Forum to Support Hyatt Workers * Wednesday, November 19 2008 @ 06:00 PM Santa Clara First Baptist Church 3111 Benton St. Santa Clara A community forum will be held to give visibility to the experiences of the workers at the Hyatt Hotel in Santa Clara. Workers at the Hyatt Santa Clara publicly asked for a fair process to choose a union back in June 2008. Unfortunately, Hyatt management continues to reject its workers' request for the company to stay neutral while workers decide for themselves whether or not to have a union -- a process known as a card check agreement. Housekeepers continue to clean 17-21 rooms each day, and some workers must rely on Healthy Families, public assistance for the most needy, for their children's health care coverage. Panelists invited to hear the workers' testimony include Paul Fong, candidate for State Assembly; Jamie McLeod, Santa Clara City Council; Jaime Alvarado, Executive Director of Somos Mayfair; Rev. Margaret Tenold, Director of Santa Clara County Council of Churches. Hosted by Rising Together coalition. *Tent City at San Jose State* Thursday, Thursday, November 20 - All Day SJSU Campus 7th and San Fernando Streets San Jose The Gulf Coast Civic Works Project sponsored by the Cesar E. Chavez Community Action Center will be displaying the injustices of poverty and homelessness by replicating Tent City in New Orleans by holding an event called ?Tent City America? on Thursday, November 20, 2008-November 21, 2008. The event will feature a number of tents displayed around the statues of John Carlos and Tommie Smith through out the whole day; each tent displaying informational facts about homelessness and poverty. In addition to the display, there will also be a program that will take place at 6pm that will consist of speakers, spoken word, music and a movie-Waging a Living. The students of San Jose State University and community will also have the opportunity to sleep out in the tents for a night to experience the lifestyle of the homeless. From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Nov 17 11:13:55 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:13:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Preservation of the Constitutional Principles and Destruction of Bush Precedents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51729.76.102.118.218.1226949235.squirrel@greens.org> Impeachment is the constitutionally instituted remedy for constitution breaking such as BushCheney have oppressed us and the whole planet with. There is no statute of limitations on impeachment and the targets of impeachment do not even have to be living to proceed let alone still in office. To keep abreast of impeachment efforts please see http://afterdowningstreet.org (ADS). As you correctly point out Brian, the Dempublicans are unconscionably reluctant to fulfill their oath of office to preserve and protect the constitution by the remedy the constitution institutes -- impeachment. So your thoughts on alternative approaches are a welcome innovation that you might want to post on ADS. Also another on-line resource I'd like to specifically encourage all of us to participate in and for you Brian to post this on is http://greenchange.org, which is actually a Green 527 that can help us with our Green lobbying efforts. Impeach for Peace! Drew On Tue, November 11, 2008 23:25, Brian Good wrote: > I'd love to be shown wrong, but I'm not seeing any indication of momentum toward impeaching Bush in January. > I suggest that the second best way of exorcising Bush's precedents is to get Obama to declare an Obama doctrine specifically renouncing the unitary executive principles and the extra-Constitutional imperial powers assumed by Bush, affirming his commitment to adherence to rule of law, to the balance of power among coequal branches, to recognizing the authority of treaties and international law, and to repudiate domestic policies of lawless surveillance and intimidation and foreign policies of kidnapping, torture, and pre-emptive war that represent a de facto policy of state terrorism. > > Specifically I'd like him to renounce and repudiate > 1) warrantless surveillance 2) lawless detention and kidnapping, 3) torture,violation of Int'l treaties, 4) the right to declare anybody he wants an enemy combatant, 5) the right to declare anything he wants a national emergency (EO 51) 6) signing statements usurping powers of Congress to make the laws and of the court to interpret the laws > Comments? Additions? Ideas? From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Nov 17 11:20:35 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:20:35 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Greens focus on electing Malik Rahim, La. candidate for US House on Dec. 6 References: <50828.76.102.118.218.1226897117.squirrel@greens.org> Message-ID: <4921C403.9070003@earthlink.net> I am sending a contribution today. I have not seen the video, but I did hear him on the radio a few times, (Democracy Now, maybe?). He sounded pretty good to me. I wish they had sent this notice out sooner, it is only 19 days until the election. Gerry Drew Johnson wrote: > GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES > http://www.gp.org > > For Immediate Release: > Monday, November 17, 2008 > > Contacts: > Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, cell 202-904-7614, > mclarty at greens.org > Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene at gp.org > Christian Roselund, Media Contact for the Malik Rahim campaign, > 504-905-5676, c.roselund at gmail.com http://www.votemalik.com > > > Greens focus on electing Malik Rahim, Louisiana Green Party candidate for > the US House on Dec. 6 > > ?EUR? Rahim, co-founder of the Common Ground Collective, receives Thomas > Merton Award for his relief work in the aftermath of Katrina > > ?EUR? Video clip: Rahim's keynote speech at the Green Party's 2008 National > Convention, July 12 in Chicago > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7226475852159421918 > > > WASHINGTON, DC -- Green Party leaders are focusing on the campaign to > elect Malik Rahim, Louisiana Green candidate for the US House in New > Orleans (District 2) (http://www.votemalik.com), urging local and national > support and assistance for Mr. Rahim. > > The election for the 2nd District US House seat will take place on > December 6 instead of November 4 because of election delays caused by > Hurricanes Gustave and Ike. District 2 is currently represented by > William Jefferson, who is facing trial on 16 counts of corruption. > > "Malik Rahim is more than just a welcome change from Rep. Jefferson and > the corrupt political culture he represents. New Orleans voters have a > chance to elect a hero who organized thousands of Common Ground volunteers > to provide food, health care, and other basic services to hurricane > victims in the wake of Hurricane Katrina," said Jody Grage, treasurer of > the Green Party of the United States. "We're encouraging Greens and > friends all over the US to donate to his campaign, and those who can get > to New Orleans to work on his campaign." > > Mr. Rahim is co-founder of the Common Ground Collective > (http://www.commongroundrelief.org), an organization that provides > short-term relief to victims of hurricane disasters in the Gulf Coast > region. Mr. Rahim is a former Black Panther and ran for New Orleans City > Council in 2002 as a Green Party candidate. > > On November 12, Malik Rahim received the Thomas Merton Award > (http://www.thomasmertoncenter.org) for his work in community organizing > and providing relief in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Under Mr. > Rahim's leadership, the Common Ground Collective opened the first free > health clinic in the city of New Orleans, helped reopen schools, gutted > over 3,000 homes that needed repair in the Ninth Ward of New Orleans, and > provided direct services to nearly 200,000 returning residents. > > Malik Rahim's political agenda include support for a national health care > program (with an endorsement of HR676, 'The United States National Health > Insurance Act'), federal money to rebuild the Gulf Coast region's > healthcare infrastructure, federally funded Category 5 flood protection, > and comprehensive storm protection by maintaining and preserving ecosystem > services, including rebuilding the region's cypress swamps. > > > MORE INFORMATION > > Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org > 202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN > Fax 202-319-7193 > ?EUR? Running tally of Green election victories > http://www.gp.org/2008-elections/election-results.html > ?EUR? Green candidate news http://www.gp.org/2008-elections/candidate-news.php > ?EUR? Green candidate database for 2008 and other campaign information: > http://www.gp.org/elections.shtml > ?EUR? Green Party News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml > ?EUR? Green Party Speakers Bureau http://www.gp.org/speakers > ?EUR? Green Party ballot access page http://www.gp.org/2008-elections > > Cynthia McKinney/Rosa Clemente 'Power to the People' Campaign for the > White House > http://www.runcynthiarun.org > http://votetruth08.com > http://www.rosaclemente.com > > > ~ END ~ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > usgp-media mailing list > usgp-media at gp-us.org > http://lists.gp-us.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-media > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > From carolineyacoub at att.net Mon Nov 17 11:28:52 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:28:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Repeal Prop 8 Message-ID: <611579.45937.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Rosie Yacoub wrote: From: Rosie Yacoub Subject: Repeal Prop 8 To: carolineyacoub at att.net Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 6:24 AM Hi, Have you signed the pledge to repeal Prop 8? I just did. And over 200,000 other people have signed the pledge from the Courage Campaign, CREDO Mobile, and MoveOn.org to repeal Prop 8 and restore marriage equality to California: http://www.couragecampaign.org/RepealProp8 The proposition process, while democratic in its intentions, is not the right method to legislate personal rights.??In this case it's obvious--the rights of the minority were overrun by bigotry and fear that people feel safe expressing in a voting booth. We all need to talk to our family and friends about the importance of restoring marriage equality to California. That is why I am asking you to sign the pledge to repeal Prop 8 and to tell your friends by forwarding this message. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Nov 17 11:31:32 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:31:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: The US Economic Crisis: The Way Out Message-ID: <51857.76.102.118.218.1226950292.squirrel@greens.org> From: Yvonne [mailto:yvonne at enfinitee.com] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:02 PM To: 'Yvonne' Subject: The US Economic Crisis: The Way Out I usually don't mass email. But, I thought this article was important enough to distribute widely. Essentially, the article points out that private banks, along with the Federal Reserve (which is a privately-owned cartel not a government-run institution) together, have usurped the government's power to create money, issue credit and collect interest. The author, Ellen Hodgson Brown, suggests that like Benjamin Franklin?s colonial Pennsylvania banking system -- we the people -- should take back the right to create money, issue credit and collect interest. She offers a clear plan forward showing exactly what to do with the $700 billion bailout package in the section titled "Credit as a Public Utility" below. I encourage you to read this article thoroughly and email it to your colleagues, friends and family. I would really love it someone on Obama's transition team pitched this idea to the President-Elect. If you know how to get this information to Obama's transition team -- please do it. http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/modest_proposal.php by Ellen Hodgson Brown, J.D., author of Web of Debt Comments and input welcomed. Warm regards, Yvonne Excerpt from the article: The New Deal Revisited Today?s credit crisis is very similar to that facing Franklin Roosevelt in the 1930s. In 1932, President Hoover set up the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC) as a federally-owned bank that would bail out commercial banks by extending loans to them, much as the privately-owned Federal Reserve is doing today. But like today, Hoover?s plan failed. The banks did not need more loans; they were already drowning in debt. They needed customers with money to spend and to invest. President Roosevelt used Hoover?s new government-owned lending facility to extend loans where they were needed most ? for housing, agriculture and industry. Many new federal agencies were set up and funded by the RFC, including the HOLC (Home Owners Loan Corporation) and Fannie Mae (the Federal National Mortgage Association, which was then a government-owned agency). In the 1940s, the RFC went into overdrive funding the infrastructure necessary for the U.S. to participate in World War II, setting the country up with the infrastructure it needed to become the world?s industrial leader after the war. The RFC was a government-owned bank that sidestepped the privately-owned Federal Reserve; but unlike the private banks with which it was competing, the RFC had to have the money in hand before lending it. The RFC was funded by issuing government bonds (I.O.U.s or debt) and relending the proceeds. The result was to put the taxpayers further into debt. This problem could be avoided, however, by updating the RFC model. A system of public banks might be set up that had the power to create credit themselves, just as private banks do now. A public bank operating on the private bank model could fan $700 billion in capital reserves into $7 trillion in public credit that was derivative-free, liability-free, and readily available to fund all those things we think we don?t have the money for now, including the loans necessary to meet payrolls, fund mortgages, and underwrite public infrastructure. Credit as a Public Utility ?Credit? can and should be a national utility, a public service provided by the government to the people it serves. Many people are opposed to getting the government involved in the banking system, but the fact is that the government is already involved. A modern-day RFC would actually mean less government involvement and a more efficient use of the already-earmarked $700 billion than policymakers are talking about now. The government would not need to interfere with the private banking system, which could carry on as before. The Treasury would not need to bail out the banks, which could be left to those same free market forces that have served them so well up to now. If banks went bankrupt, they could be put into FDIC receivership and nationalized. The government would then own a string of banks, which could be used to service the depository and credit needs of the community. There would be no need to change the personnel or procedures of these newly-nationalized banks. They could engage in ?fractional reserve? lending just as they do now. The only difference would be that the interest on loans would return to the government, helping to defray the tax burden on the populace; and the banks would start out with a clean set of books, so their $700 billion in startup capital could be fanned into $7 trillion in new loans. This was the sort of banking scheme used in Benjamin Franklin?s colony of Pennsylvania, where it worked brilliantly well. The spiraling-interest problem was avoided by printing some extra money and spending it into the economy for public purposes. During the decades the provincial bank operated, the Pennsylvania colonists paid no taxes, there was no government debt, and inflation did not result.7 Like the Pennsylvania bank, a modern-day federal banking system would not actually need ?reserves? at all. It is the sovereign right of a government to issue the currency of the realm. What backs our money today is simply ?the full faith and credit of the United States,? something the United States should be able to issue directly without having to draw on ?reserves? of its own credit. But if Congress is not prepared to go that far, a more efficient use of the earmarked $700 billion than bailing out failing banks would be to designate the funds as the ?reserves? for a newly-reconstituted RFC. Rather than creating a separate public banking corporation called the RFC, the nation?s financial apparatus could be streamlined by simply nationalizing the privately-owned Federal Reserve; but again, Congress may not be prepared to go that far. Since there is already successful precedent for establishing an RFC in times like these, that model could serve as a non-controversial starting point for a new public credit facility. The G-7 nations? financial planners, who met in Washington D.C. this past weekend, appear intent on supporting the banking system with enough government-debt-backed ?liquidity? to produce what Jim Rogers calls ?an inflationary holocaust.? As the U.S. private banking system self-destructs, we need to ensure that a public credit system is in place and ready to serve the people?s needs in its stead. Ellen Brown, J.D., developed her research skills as an attorney practicing civil litigation in Los Angeles. In Web of Debt, her latest book, she turns those skills to an analysis of the Federal Reserve and ?the money trust.? She shows how this private cartel has usurped the power to create money from the people themselves, and how we the people can get it back. Her eleven books include the bestselling Nature?s Pharmacy, co-authored with Dr. Lynne Walker, and Forbidden Medicine. Her websites are www.webofdebt.com and www.ellenbrown.com. 1 Michael Hiltzik, Ken Bensinger, ?Bank Rescue Plan to Test Capitalism,? Los Angeles Times(October 12, 2008). 2 See Ellen Brown, ?It?s the Derivatives, Stupid! Why Fannie, Freddie and AIG All Had to Be Bailed Out,? webofdebt.com/articles (September 18, 2008). 3 Ian Welsh, ?Paulson to Use Fannie and Freddie as Conduit to Bail Out His Friends,? firedoglake.com (October 11, 2008). 4 ?Commercial Paper Funding Facility: Frequently Asked Questions,? newyorkfed.org (October 14,2007). 5 See Ellen Brown, ?Dollar Deception: How Banks Secretly Create Money,? webofdebt.com/articles (July 3, 2008). 6 Chris Cook, ?A New Dawn for Iran,? Asia Times (October 9, 2008). 7 See Ellen Brown, ?Credit Default Swaps: Derivative Disaster Du Jour,? webofdebt.com/articles (April 10,2008). Home | Also by Ellen Brown | Links | Contact Us | Order Now From wrolley at charter.net Mon Nov 17 11:58:12 2008 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:58:12 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Greens focus on electing Malik Rahim, La. candidate for US House on Dec. 6 In-Reply-To: <4921C403.9070003@earthlink.net> References: <50828.76.102.118.218.1226897117.squirrel@greens.org> <4921C403.9070003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4921CCD4.2030503@charter.net> Gerry Gras wrote: > I wish they had sent this notice out sooner, it is only > 19 days until the election. > Some of us were trying to raise a little ruckus. http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2008/11/one-more-chance-to-change-america.html Wes -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Nov 17 13:27:35 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:27:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Greens focus on electing Malik Rahim, La. candidate for US House on Dec. 6 In-Reply-To: <4921CCD4.2030503@charter.net> References: <50828.76.102.118.218.1226897117.squirrel@greens.org> <4921C403.9070003@earthlink.net> <4921CCD4.2030503@charter.net> Message-ID: <51896.76.102.118.218.1226957255.squirrel@greens.org> Thing is Greens need to stop looking to 'them' or 'they' to do anything for us. There ain't no 'them'. The Green party is us -- its you! This is an entirely DIY (do it yourself) network organization. There are only something like 5 people payed (part time) to work for the Green Party of the United States and 1 for the GPCA, so nobody should expect that there is someone 'out there' that is going to handle much of anything for the party. This is true both locally, on the state level and the national level. In some other nations the Green Party situation is substantially different, but this is the way it is in the U.S. right now. If we can start to work more effectively using our networking skills and learn to raise resources (including money) to employ on our campaigns we can alter this situation. Please participate in the newly formed Green 527, http://GreenChange.org to be a party of making this change happen. Green is Change! Drew On Mon, November 17, 2008 11:58, Wes Rolley wrote: > Gerry Gras wrote: >> I wish they had sent this notice out sooner, it is only >> 19 days until the election. >> > Some of us were trying to raise a little ruckus. > > http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2008/11/one-more-chance-to-change-america.html > > Wes > > -- > "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then > you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente > > Wes Rolley > From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Nov 17 17:37:51 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:37:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FWD: ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing Prop. 8] Message-ID: <52437.76.102.118.218.1226972271.squirrel@greens.org> Just passing messages Cres, though I must say that IMO even the media committee could/should have jumped on this quicker and not waited till the last minute (quite literally). Also note that the CCWG did have notification prior. Anyway I'll pass this one back to Eden and on to the CCWG also. Thanks for all your hard work! The cable TV advertising help for Carol Brouillet was particularly effective (notably higher voting tallies wherever played). Green is Multi! Drew ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [GPCA-MediaComm] Fwd: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing Prop. 8 From: civillib at comcast.net Date: Mon, November 17, 2008 10:58 To: "Drew Johnson" Cc: gpca-mediawg at cagreens.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Media Committee is NOT an organizing committee. As for the concern about not being notified until late, that most accurately should be forwarded to CCWG, GROW and/or some other committee. But thanks to Drew, and members of the Media Committee, we did our job in a short time period Friday. While the national media list couldn't get a release out in a few hours, we did do so. We issued a release supporting the actions (I faxed and emails hundreds of releases late Friday and very early Saturday morning). I received media calls, and - much more importantly - we expressed our support for Prop 8 opponents. Our releases, sent statewide to key media outlets, also helped publicize the protests...resulting, at least in the State Capitol, coverage by major media. That IS what our Media Committee can do, even at the last second. All other concerns should be sent to other GPCA committee, Drew. Cres Drew Johnson wrote: > This from our Santa Clara Co e-mail list. > > Green is Multi! > > Drew > > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide > protests Saturday opposing Prop. 8 > From: "eden" > Date: Sat, November 15, 2008 19:54 > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: >> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- >> Subject: ADVISORY: Greens endorse nationwide protests Saturday opposing >> Prop. 8 > > I went to 2 of the demonstrations today, San Jose and Mountain View > (the second was held later for documentary purposes). While at the MV > one i was handed a flier. On one side the paper had some information > about Prop 8. The other side was for a Socialist party (i forget which > one and i'm sorry, but now i can't even find that paper). > > With all due respect for the endorsement of the protests, how many > people outside of the Green Party will know, or care, about this > "support", which was "released" at midnight before the event. I > believe that if the Greens ever want to be taken seriously, outside of > an election here and there, there must be "feet on the ground". > From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Nov 17 17:51:44 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:51:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Prop. 8 opponents rally across California to protest gay-marriage ban Message-ID: <52651.76.102.118.218.1226973104.squirrel@greens.org> Prop. 8 opponents rally across California to protest gay-marriage ban Phot: Bob Chamberlin / Los Angeles Times Supporters of same-sex marriage march along Spring Street in front of City Hall in downtown Los Angeles in preparation for a series of nationwide protests against Proposition 8, which denied gay couples the right to wed in California. Gay-rights marchers gather by the thousands in Los Angeles and San Francisco, battling heat, expressing solidarity and debating proponents of the measure. By Jessica Garrison Corina Knoll November 16, 2008 Reporting from San Francisco and Los Angeles -- Expressing anger, disappointment and humor, thousands of gay-rights advocates marched across the state and nation Saturday in largely peaceful protests against California's passage of an initiative banning same-sex marriage. In Los Angeles, protesters clustered shoulder to shoulder near City Hall before setting off on a downtown march, chanting and carrying rainbow flags and signs bearing messages such as "No More Mr. Nice Gay" and "No on Hate." "It's invigorating and exciting to see us unite as a people," Christine Pease, 39, said as she handed out stickers with a yellow equal sign to demonstrators outside City Hall. "I hope that it shows there are a lot more people affected by the choices we make on a ballot." The Los Angeles Police Department estimated that 10,000 to 12,000 people attended the event, well below the 40,000 the department had expected. Still, demonstrators called the event a success, noting that participants had been galvanized by a loosely organized grass-roots campaign that sprang up after the Nov. 4 election. "Considering it started on Facebook and became as organized as it was, it's pretty amazing," said Dave Coleman, 43. A representative of the Proposition 8 campaign said the protests would have little effect. "They can protest all they like, and it doesn't change the fact that Prop. 8 has passed and the election is now over," said Frank Schubert, manager for the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign. In San Francisco, a crowd estimated by police at 7,500 converged on the city's civic center, some wearing T-shirts emblazoned with "Milk," a reference to the county's first openly gay supervisor, Harvey Milk, who was assassinated 30 years ago. Although a march had not been planned, about noon a large portion of the crowd set off along Market Street and split into two, one headed for the Castro District and another for the Embarcadero. Police made several arrests for holding up traffic, but the event was otherwise peaceful. Demonstrators also gathered in Boston, New York and other cities across the nation, the Associated Press reported. Across California, the rallies took on a carnival-like atmosphere. About 200 protesters gathered at Costa Mesa's South Coast Plaza. In Sacramento, police estimated that 1,500 marched peacefully on the Capitol. Amid the throngs, thousands of little scenes played out. A sampling: Delayed wedding Saturday's date held a special significance for Los Angeles marchers Carol Kirkman and Margaret Gonzalez. It was supposed to be their wedding day. Kirkman and Gonzalez, both 48 from Lawndale, began planning their wedding two months ago and didn't worry about Proposition 8. "We didn't even think twice that this would pass," Kirkman said. The plans called for an intimate ceremony -- about 10 guests -- and the couple decided to wear matching suits, Kirkman in black, Gonzalez in white. Instead, they joined the thousands marching through downtown wearing sneakers, khaki shorts and T-shirts. Bringing children The rallies brought out a diverse crowd that included straight as well as gay families. Pam Chan and her husband brought their two children -- Kalea, 6, and Koa, 2 -- to the demonstration in San Francisco. "We want our kids to learn they can grow up in a place where everyone is equal," said Chan, 34. "Marriage is for everyone." Invoking religion Among about half a dozen Proposition 8 supporters at Los Angeles City Hall was Dan Burton, 50, a retired air traffic controller, who held a sign that read, "Gays hate God. Romans 1:18-32," a reference to biblical passages denouncing wickedness and debauchery. "There's two sides to every story," Burton said. "Most people in this country don't want gay marriage, because it's biologically, culturally and religiously perverse." Proposition 8 opponent Carl Hunter, 64, carried a sign reading, "Christians for gay marriage." A contract analyst at an insurance company, Hunter said of the proposition: "It's misguided. God doesn't hate what he or she has created." Hunter recently married the Rev. Dan Hooper, pastor at Hollywood Lutheran Church. Signs of protest Many of the anti-Proposition 8 signs mixed humor with anger, often targeting Mormons who supported the measure. "If heaven discriminates, I don't want to go." "The same Bible was used to justify slavery." "Hmm. . . . What's so traditional about polygamy?" "Where's My Gay Tax Break?" "Joseph Smith had 33 wives. Gays only want one." "I was born gay. You were taught religion." "My brother is getting married . . . again. Why can't I get married once?" "Straight but not narrow." "Only my wife should care if I marry a man." When told of the signs, Schubert said, "It's unfortunate that the 'No on 8' campaign has devolved into personal attacks and statements of religious bigotry. If they think this is going to help their cause long term, they might want to consider a new strategy." Gays and blacks A running theme during the Los Angeles demonstration was the role of African Americans in the passage of the anti-gay-marriage measure. An exit poll showed that black voters favored the proposition by a ratio of more than 2 to 1. Again and again, speakers asked the crowd not to blame the black community. "We did not lose the fight because of African Americans," said Lorri L. Jean, 51, chief executive of the L.A. Gay & Lesbian Center. Referring to black civil rights leaders, she said, "They have taught us, supported us and stood with us." The crowd cheered. An unusual bride Many demonstrators in San Francisco took their dogs to the rally, but few stood out more than Aidan, a Finnish spitz whose head was covered in a long white veil. Her owners, Emily Drennen and her wife, Lindasusan Ulrich, said Aidan was their symbolic bridesmaid. During the course of a turbulent decade for gay marriage, the couple have been married three times. "To each other," Ulrich quickly clarified. They wed in 2003, before gay marriage was legal. A year later, when San Francisco began marrying gay couples, they married again, only to see the courts annul their union. Last month, Ulrich, 39, and Drennen, 35, went through another ceremony in the wake of the state Supreme Court's landmark ruling that legalized gay marriage. "And we want to stay married," said Drennen, who along with her wife was dressed in a bridal gown. A crowd embraces The Rev. Penny Nixon, senior minister at the Congregational Church of San Mateo, led the rally in a massive group hug in San Francisco. "You are loved, and no one can take that away," she told the crowd. Demonstrators cheered and began hugging one another, repeating her words. Garrison and Knoll are Times staff writers. jessica.garrison at latimes.com corina.knoll at latimes.com Times staff writers Alicia Lozano and Jack Leonard contributed to this report. From wrolley at charter.net Mon Nov 17 20:58:53 2008 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:58:53 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Where is Pat LaMarche? In New Orleans with Malik Rahim. Message-ID: <49224B8D.6030804@charter.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Nov 18 09:52:12 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:52:12 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [GazaFriends] URGENT: Kidnapped by the Israeli Navy] Message-ID: <492300CC.4010103@earthlink.net> Darlene Wallach has been take by the Israelis. Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GazaFriends] URGENT: Kidnapped by the Israeli Navy Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:35:18 +0100 From: Irish To: "Gaza Media" , Godfrey-Goldstein , gazafriends , "Future of Free Gaza" FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Caoimhe Butterly + 972 598 273 960 Donna Wallach + 972 598 836 420 Ramzi Kysia, U.K. +44 75 191 33 097 Fourteen Palestinian fishermen along with three internationals have been kidnapped out of Palestinian waters by the Israeli Navy. They were fishing seven miles off the coast of Deir Al Balla, clearly in Gaza fishing waters. The three internationals are Andrew Muncie from Scotland, Darlene Wallach from the United States and Victor Arrigoni from Italy. The U.K., U.S. and Italian embassies in Tel Aviv have been contacted and know about the abductions. Please call the Israeli Ministry of Justice at +972 26 46 66 66 and register your outrage over these illegal actions by the Israeli Military -- Greta Berlin Media Team Free Gaza Movement 357 99 08 17 67 www.freegaza.org www.anis-online.de/office/events/FreeGazaSong.htm www.flickr.com/photos/29205195 at N02/ From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Nov 18 10:33:15 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:33:15 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [GazaFriends] Kidnapped by the Israeli Navy] Message-ID: <49230A6B.6060608@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GazaFriends] Kidnapped by the Israeli Navy Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:43:51 +0100 From: Irish To: future-of-free-gaza at googlegroups.com, "Gaza Media" , gazafriends FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Caoimhe (Gaza) + 972 598 273 960 Donna (Gaza) + 972 598 836 420 Fida (Gaza - Arabic) ? + 972 599 681 669 ISM Media Office - + 972 2-2971824 Fifteen Palestinian fishermen along with three internationals have been kidnapped in Palestinian waters by the Israeli Navy. They were fishing seven miles off the coast of Deir Al Balah, clearly in Gaza fishing waters and well within the fishing limit detailed in the Oslo Accords of 1994. The fishermen and the human right?s observers were transferred from 3 separate boats to the Israeli warships. Other Palestinian fishermen reported that the 3 boats were seen being taken north by the Israeli Navy. The three internationals are Andrew Muncie from Scotland, Darlene Wallach from the United States and Victor Arrigoni from Italy. The U.K., U.S. and Italian embassies in Tel Aviv have been contacted and know about the abductions. Please call the Israeli Ministry of Justice at +972 26 46 66 66 and register your outrage over these illegal actions by the Israeli Navy. Then call the Embassies in Jerusalem and make sure they know that many of us are appalled by Israel?s illegal search and seizure. Stephen Brown, UK Consulate +972 25 41 41 00 U.S. Consulate General + 972-2-6227230 Luigi MATTIOLO, Italian Ambassador +972 3 5104004 -- Greta Berlin Media Team Free Gaza Movement 357 99 08 17 67 www.freegaza.org www.anis-online.de/office/events/FreeGazaSong.htm www.flickr.com/photos/29205195 at N02/ From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Nov 18 18:04:42 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:04:42 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Darlene Wallach being deported? Message-ID: <4923743A.4070004@earthlink.net> If you search the internet (news.google.com) for "Darlene Wallach" you can find several articles in the news about the arrests and impending deportation of the 3 international activists. The 3 activists apparently come from Scotland, Italy, and the U.S. There is at least one article from the UK, one from Italy, but I can't find an article from the US. I called the Mercury News. The person I spoke to did not know about it, and he expressed interest once I said Darlene lived in San Jose. Maybe they will do something now. Maybe not. According to one item, the UK citizen is threatening a hunger strike. They are supposed to be near the Tel Aviv airport. Gerry P.S. In case you don't know why I am mentioning this on this email list ... Darlene and her sister Donna are local activists that go to many events that local Greens go to, so many of us know them both. From pmyers42 at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 17:55:42 2008 From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:55:42 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Find-A-Candidate Challenge: Do you have a success story yet? Message-ID: <1A413B33-1ECF-48D3-9D5B-52BFFAB403C7@gmail.com> I wanted to put in a notice mid-month that my quest to personally find three candidates for 2010 races is going well. I already have approached Dave Schwaderer, an engineer and a video student of mine who is involved in the Mid-Peninsula Open Spaces project to clean up Mt. Umunhum, to run for Saratoga Town Council. He plans on attending our December meeting and is very interested in running. After Dave, I didn't have anyone in mind, so I started talking to my friends. At a party, I asked my friends if they knew anyone who would be interested in running as Greens. My friend listed off four people, with whom I'll be in contact later this week. It is not difficult for us to find candidates if we start early, look deep in our Rolodexes, and strive to expand our professional and social circles to include more of "The Candidate Type". The U.S. and Santa Clara County in particular has been lulled into the thought that Obama and a Democratic Congress will turn this country into a wonderland within six months, and every time the government disappoints them, they will be receptive to our message of change outside of the two-party system. Every time Barney Frank says that $25 billion "might not be enough" to bail out Detroit, we can win votes and candidates. My challenge from the beginning of the month remains; come to December's meeting ready to talk about at least one prospective candidate, or better yet bring him or her along. I'm sticking to my pledge of bringing three. Until the meeting, it'd be great if others could share success stories about prospective candidates whom they've approached about running in 2010. Get the ball rolling. - Peter Peter Myers pmyers42 at gmail.com http://www.p432689.com 200 Hollis Ave. #45 Campbell, CA 95008 408-242-4212 From pmyers42 at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 21:01:07 2008 From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:01:07 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Volunteers needed for Holiday Peace Fair Message-ID: <93F2C32E-4F98-4705-AA1B-C79FD0C43A01@gmail.com> The 26th Annual Holiday Peace Fair is at Campbell United Methodist Church on Saturday, December 6th from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. We need a total of six volunteers: One volunteer to make baked goods beforehand to donate to the bake sale table; One volunteer from 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. to help me set up the table (we'll probably get done much earlier than 11, so you can stick around or skip out once the table's set); Two volunteers to work an 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. shift, handing out literature, making buttons, registering voters and GETTING PEOPLE'S CONTACT INFO; Another two volunteers to work a 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. shift, doing the same thing as the folks from 11 to 2. Please e-mail me at pmyers42 at gmail.com or call me at 408-242-4212 to volunteer. Thanks, - Peter Peter Myers pmyers42 at gmail.com http://www.p432689.com From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 19 21:32:55 2008 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:32:55 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] America Festival 2009 Message-ID: <4924F687.5010100@sbcglobal.net> I have just received the notice for the America Festival 2009 in San Jose. They offer a $25 discount for early registration by De3cember 15-th. Note to Caroline: make this an agenda item for the December meeting, please. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Nov 20 13:04:33 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:04:33 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Wallach on Hunger Strike Message-ID: <4925D0E1.5000602@earthlink.net> Darlene Wallach and the other 2 Human Rights Observers are on a Hunger Strike in prison in Israel. For more info... About hunger strike: http://freegaza.org/index.php?module=latest_news&id=35ec22cfce4ae6edab71603b63c4b36f&offset= About need for money for legal expenses: http://freegaza.org/index.php?module=latest_news&id=a01f330427fe0218cce8494df53f73c1&offset= NOTE: I am not sure if the above links will work, they might be temporary dynamic links. But these and other past and future news stories are or will be accesible at http://freegaza.org . Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Nov 20 13:06:00 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:06:00 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: SBM Alert - Activists break Gaza Siege at Hayward] Message-ID: <4925D138.1030109@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SBM Alert - Activists break Gaza Siege at Hayward Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:07:09 -0800 (PST) From: South Bay Mobilization Reply-To: South Bay Mobilization Activists break Israel's siege of Gaza A talk and multimedia presentation by Paul Larudee Thursday, November 20, 2008, 7:00 PM All Saints Catholic Church Senior Center 2nd and D Streets, Hayward (wheelchair accessible) Donations gratefully accepted for the expense of the human rights workers. Co-sponsors: South Alameda County Peace and Justice Coalition (SAPJC), Tri-City Peace and Justice (TCPJ), and All Saints Peace and Justice Committee For further information: phone 510-909-6272 or 510-537-2324 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Our postal address is 48 South 7th St. Suite 102 San Jose, California 95112 United States From carolineyacoub at att.net Thu Nov 20 16:19:28 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:19:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] North County meeting--Nov.12, 2008 Message-ID: <417318.66453.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Notes from North County Meeting, Nov. 12, 2008 ? 1) Main topic of discussion was media ??? Peter Myers did print ads and web ads. ??? Public Service Announcements are free ??? Carol's TV ads only cost $6.19 for 30 seconds in one zone, but production costs were?? $300 per ad. ??? Andrea, Drew, and Roy can produce videos. ??? Chris Valucci (sp?) is media person for California Green Party.? gp.org carries press releases. Greenchange.org ??? A media list is vital to have, They change all the time. ??? Our media group so far ia: Drew, Andrea, Roy, Mike F. ? 2) Schools--how do we get in?? what do we say? ? 3) Green Festival in SF on Saturday and Sunday ? 4)?Demonstration against G20, Nov. 22 at Ferry Bldg., SF at 11:00 ? 5) Junior State, Mariott's, Nov. 22? We need to find the button machine. We need to get Tian's artwork--NOW ? 6) December 6, Holiday Peace Fair, contact Peter if you can work or donate baked goods.You can get baked goods to Peter at the December 3 meeting. ? 7) Discussion of possible (is it really?) get-together in January MUCH has been written about this on sosfbay and sc-sm. ? 8) We need to contact other Greens in the area who are not on sosfbay or sc-sm. ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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According to 60 years of sociology research, mass-media can inform large numbers of people, but it is very poor at persuasion that changes behavior. Even when we do get our message out, as Camejo did in the recall debates, it does not change the votes. He got only 2.8%. Instead persuasion depends upon dedication, time, knowledge, skill, volunteers, resources and technical tools. As a result, our capacity to earn additional votes is very limited. I mention all this as the reason that I say: *Congratulations on finding a candidate* *for an office within our grasp!* However, I would suggest that there are now higher priorities than finding more candidates. The first is to convince the candidate that you've got that he should win and serve. This is not a given, as people run for office for many reasons. The second is to start the learning process for both the candidate and support team. I've participated in many campaigns that ignored the mathematics of victory, and I've concluded that it's nearly impossible to win without a thorough understanding of this area, among several others. And one of the keys to convincing both candidates and volunteers to commit to the effort is proving, by demonstrating how, that it can be done. I think it's even better that Dave is an engineer. He and his friends could help us build the technology necessary to run effective campaigns, large or small. I stand ready to help, - Ray Peter Myers wrote: > I wanted to put in a notice mid-month that my quest to personally find > three candidates for 2010 races is going well. I already have > approached Dave Schwaderer, an engineer and a video student of mine > who is involved in the Mid-Peninsula Open Spaces project to clean up > Mt. Umunhum, to run for Saratoga Town Council. He plans on attending > our December meeting and is very interested in running. > > After Dave, I didn't have anyone in mind, so I started talking to my > friends. At a party, I asked my friends if they knew anyone who would > be interested in running as Greens. My friend listed off four people, > with whom I'll be in contact later this week. > > It is not difficult for us to find candidates if we start early, look > deep in our Rolodexes, and strive to expand our professional and > social circles to include more of "The Candidate Type". The U.S. and > Santa Clara County in particular has been lulled into the thought that > Obama and a Democratic Congress will turn this country into a > wonderland within six months, and every time the government > disappoints them, they will be receptive to our message of change > outside of the two-party system. 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URL: From wrolley at charter.net Thu Nov 20 19:17:15 2008 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:17:15 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Malik Rahim Radio Ad Message-ID: <4926283B.6090503@charter.net> This link is to the radio ad that Malik Rahim is running in New Orleans, the 2nd Congressional District in Louisiana. http://network.greenchange.org/assets/2170/Malik_Rahim_for_Congress_60_second_commercial.mp3 List to it. He needs to raise $1000 per day from now through Dec. 6 to keep this ad on the air. You can contribute at http://www.votemalik.com/contribute/ That is for online contributions via Pay Pal and has directions for sending a check. Malik is the best chance that Greens have had this year for electing a Congressman. That is not meant to diss our own two candidates, but rather reflects that neither of the ran against a member of the Jeffer$on crime family. Yes, I told you before about the corruption charges against incumbent William Jefferson, the Dem's candidate. I have not told you before that he has two siblings who also are facing charges related to bribery (caught one on tape when the bribed official agreed to wear a wire) and also for bilking New Orleans Charities out of $600,000. That is right, while Malik was rebuilding parts of the 9th Ward, the Jefferson family charities were collecting. We need to keep his commercial on the air. -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Nov 20 23:01:35 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:01:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Cheney and Gonzales Indicted in Private Prison Case in Texas Message-ID: <55081.76.102.118.218.1227250895.squirrel@greens.org> November 20, 2008 Gonzcheneyweb Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales Indicted in Private Prison Case in Texas A Texas judge has set an arraignment date for Friday for Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. They were indicted this week by a Texas grand jury on state charges accusing them of responsibility for prisoner abuse in a privately run federal jail. We speak with Willacy County District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra. http://network.greenchange.org/news/3031-dick-cheney-and-alberto-gonzales-indicted-in-private-prison-case-in-texas From carolineyacoub at att.net Fri Nov 21 09:56:34 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:56:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for December 3, 2008 Message-ID: <402348.40530.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Selection of Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, Vibes Watcher ? Introductions, announcements (brief, and only if not addressed later in agenda), finalizing agenda ? Candidates ? Treasurer's report and hat passing ? How is our student doing? ? What is happening about our public service person? ? Reports on past events: (try to hold them down to 5 min. or less) 1. sign-up sheets from Labot Day Weekenf 2. Election results 3. Green Festival in SF 4.Demonstration at Ferry Bldg. 5. Junior State in Santa Clara ? Upcoming Events and Outreach 1. December 6 Holiday Peace Fair, United Methodist Church, Campbell--Peter 2. MLK Freedom Train, January 19 3. America Festival 2009, earlybird discount 4. Schools 5. ?Media Group 6. ?G527 7. ?Gathering ? Selection of Agenda Preparer for next meeting ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredd at freeshell.org Fri Nov 21 11:20:00 2008 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:20:00 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Darlene Wallach Message-ID: <492709E0.7090103@freeshell.org> This morning I called our two Senators and Rep. Eshoo regarding the Israeli imprisonment of Darlene Wallach. None of the staff persons I talked with had heard about the incident. I then mentioned to them that Darlene was interviewed today by Amy Goodman on "Democracy Now." It would be good if our federal Reps. would get a bunch of calls asking them to make inquiries about their abducted constituent. Sen Feinstein: 202-456-2022 Sen Boxer: 415-403-0100 and/or her media staff person at 202-225-8120 Rep Eshoo: 202-225-8104 Fred D. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Nov 21 11:53:57 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:53:57 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Darlene Wallach References: <492709E0.7090103@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <492711D5.4000700@earthlink.net> I sent an email to Anna Eshoo about it on Tuesday afternoon. I have not yet received a response. And here is the interview: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/11/21/us_activist_detained_in_israeli_jail Gerry Fred Duperrault wrote: > This morning I called our two Senators and Rep. Eshoo regarding the > Israeli imprisonment of Darlene Wallach. None of the staff persons I > talked with had heard about the incident. I then mentioned to them that > Darlene was interviewed today by Amy Goodman on "Democracy Now." > > It would be good if our federal Reps. would get a bunch of calls asking > them to make inquiries about their abducted constituent. > > Sen Feinstein: 202-456-2022 > > Sen Boxer: 415-403-0100 and/or her media staff person at 202-225-8120 > > Rep Eshoo: 202-225-8104 > > Fred D. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > From green at bionictoad.com Fri Nov 21 12:17:59 2008 From: green at bionictoad.com (Ray Tobey) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:17:59 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Find-A-Candidate Challenge: Do you have a success story yet? In-Reply-To: <98222.59469.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <98222.59469.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49271777.9070309@bionictoad.com> I hope it's okay to keep everyone in the discussion. Caroline Yacoub wrote: > Jim Doyle gave us a reality check at the last meeting by saying that, > if we were serious about winning an election, we had to be prepared to > spend $60,000. I think it would also be helpful for a few folks to > read "Don't Start the Revolution Without Me" by Jesse Ventura. You > don't have to agree with him to be impressed by his winning the > governorship against the democrats and republicans. Spending money is only a time saver - for example, it costs money to mail to the voters. If you are willing and able to hand deliver to specific addresses, you don't need the postage money. In fact, though mailers are one of the fastest ways to get your message out, they rank among the least efficient methods of persuasion. Expertise is the most important expense for most winning campaigns. A good campaign consultant charges in the range of $15,000 per month. Without knowing how elections are won, most of the money, time & effort is wasted. If you study, then you don't need to budget for consulting fees. I think we spent about $65,000 on Aimee's second campaign in Oakland and ended up with 39% of the vote, among 3 candidates. However, we only had 5 months. With two years, there are far more options, all of them cheaper. Thanks for the book suggestion. The ones I recommend are: The Speed of Trust Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion Crossing The Chasm (derived from 'Diffusion of Innovations') Political Targeting, 2nd Edition Winning Your Election the Wellstone Way So far, I've summarized the first three as part of my own book. At 60 pages, the summary is 750 pages shorter than the originals. If anyone wants the read it, please let me know. - Ray From snug.bug at hotmail.com Fri Nov 21 12:43:35 2008 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:43:35 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Find-A-Candidate Challenge: Do you have a success story yet? In-Reply-To: <49271777.9070309@bionictoad.com> References: <98222.59469.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49271777.9070309@bionictoad.com> Message-ID: I know little of Aimee's campaign, but I was impressed by what I saw in 2006. Her glossy campaign flyer I picked up from the dispenser outside her Grand Ave. office gave the impression that she wanted the job and that she could do the job. Can't the Green national office develop a campaign handbook that can serve as a base point for all campaigns? Listing the obvious gaffes and marks of the amateur seems like a place to start. Maybe now that the elections are over, some of the managers of successful campaigns would be willing to have their brains picked for the benefit of the Party. Brian > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:17:59 -0800 > From: green at bionictoad.com > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Find-A-Candidate Challenge: Do you have a success story yet? > > I hope it's okay to keep everyone in the discussion. > > Caroline Yacoub wrote: > > Jim Doyle gave us a reality check at the last meeting by saying that, > > if we were serious about winning an election, we had to be prepared to > > spend $60,000. I think it would also be helpful for a few folks to > > read "Don't Start the Revolution Without Me" by Jesse Ventura. You > > don't have to agree with him to be impressed by his winning the > > governorship against the democrats and republicans. > > Spending money is only a time saver - for example, it costs money to > mail to the voters. If you are willing and able to hand deliver to > specific addresses, you don't need the postage money. In fact, though > mailers are one of the fastest ways to get your message out, they rank > among the least efficient methods of persuasion. > > Expertise is the most important expense for most winning campaigns. A > good campaign consultant charges in the range of $15,000 per month. > Without knowing how elections are won, most of the money, time & effort > is wasted. If you study, then you don't need to budget for consulting fees. > > I think we spent about $65,000 on Aimee's second campaign in Oakland and > ended up with 39% of the vote, among 3 candidates. However, we only had > 5 months. With two years, there are far more options, all of them cheaper. > > Thanks for the book suggestion. The ones I recommend are: > > The Speed of Trust > Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion > Crossing The Chasm (derived from 'Diffusion of Innovations') > Political Targeting, 2nd Edition > Winning Your Election the Wellstone Way > > So far, I've summarized the first three as part of my own book. 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URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Nov 21 21:12:50 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:12:50 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Israeli Prison Conditions Message-ID: <492794D2.4040201@earthlink.net> Press release from the Italian Observer: http://freegaza.org/index.php?module=latest_news&id=d3746d7ce986a5d391a8c14b0f76bc2b&offset= Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Nov 22 18:24:40 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:24:40 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: We have the chance to put a Green in Congress!] Message-ID: <4928BEE8.5030403@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: We have the chance to put a Green in Congress! Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: Green Party of the United States Reply-To: scotty at gp.org To: santaclara at cagreens.org Back to GP.org [Green Party] The Green Party Outreach Committee says: "Let's send Malik Rahim to the US House of Representatives!" Malik Rahim, founder of Common Ground Relief, is running in Congress for New Orleans District 2 in a special election on December 6th. Under Malik's leadership, the Common Ground Collective opened the first free health clinic in the city of New Orleans, helped reopen schools, gutted over 3,000 homes that needed repair in the Ninth Ward of New Orleans, and provided direct services to nearly 200,000 returning residents. He is former Black Panther, co-founder -of the anti-death penalty group "Pilgrimage for Life," with Sister Helen Prejean. On November 12, Malik Rahim received the Thomas Merton Award(http://www.thomasmertoncenter.org ) for his work in community organizing and providing relief in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina We need you to help him win! You can help make this happen by: Donate : Giving now, and getting others to do the same will ensure Malik has the resources to purchase airtime for more radio ads -the first ads start today at $26 each, buy more yard signs and ensure the campaignb has the resources to run a SUCESSFUL CAMPAIGN! Volunteer from Home : Help make calls from your home to voters in Malik district. The more people we talk to, the more VOTES we get! Learn more about Malik at : www.votemalik.com . Let's put a Green in Congress! Malik has the reputation and experience to do it. So PLEASE do what you can and ALSO send this message to your state and local lists. [Donate to GP Fund] The Green Party takes no money from real estate companies, investment firms, or insurance companies; In fact, we don't take any corporate money because we think corporate money in politics is wrong. If you agree, please help us today. Your donation to the Green Party will help make sure we have a strong Green party today and into the future, so that we can support candidates like Malik. Email: office at gp.org Office: PO Box 57065 Washington, D.C. 20037 202-319-7191 or toll-free (US): 866-41GREEN From jims at greens.org Sat Nov 22 20:22:29 2008 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:22:29 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Can We Help with a State Meeting? Message-ID: <4928DA85.2070502@greens.org> A couple weeks ago I circulated a message to Santa Clara and San Mateo Green Parties asking if we could pull together a state meeting, called a Gathering. A Gathering is a non-business meeting consisting of presentations, workshops and speakers. There are no proposals and no delegates. The January after the Presidential election is a prime time for this type of event. People are still energized from the election and are ready to get involved with politics. A center focus of this Gathering will be planning an electoral strategy for the next few years. So this is an important meeting for the Green Party. Here's the current status of the planning. A final decision on whether or not we can/will do this has to be made by this coming Wednesday. The target dates for the Gathering are Jan. 10-11 or 24-25. San Mateo has two people who are enthusiastic about the idea and began scouting facilities that we could use. They've located a couple in the Belmont area that look promising. We'll tour these and get a final cost quote in the next few days. These facilities are not cheap ($1000 - $1200) so budget constraints will have to be tight. The other major issue to be resolved by Wednesday is if we have enough volunteers to work on this project. We do have a short planning horizon, which includes two holidays. This can done, but it does represent a challenge. San Mateo is a smaller Local than Santa Clara and they're hoping some people here can help out with the preparation before and at the event. Preparing one of these events has to be done mostly by the people in the immediate vicinity of the venue. But there are some things us southern neighbors could help with. The two main tasks are housing and food. Housing consists of recruiting homestay hosts -- people who can put up one or more Gathering participants -- and compiling a list of affordable hotels. I would guess there to be about half a dozen or so homestay requests at this type of event. Food consists of breakfast and lunch for both days. Breakfast is kept simple -- bagels, muffins, fruit, coffee, tea, etc. The easiest lunch is to procure take-out or catering. We should try to keep the cost at about $25 per day per person. Santa Clara folks could most easily help with the housing and the breakfast part of the food. These are things that could be done with out having to travel to Belmont. Also, since a Gathering offers various workshops and presentations, recruiting presenters from local green-leaning organizations is something we can help with. So, my question to all of you is, are the 4-to-6 people who would like to help organize this event? As I said, we have to make a final decision by Wednesday. If you are interested please email me and state what you can work on. Jim Stauffer From JamBoi at Greens.org Sun Nov 23 02:49:27 2008 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:49:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Greens support demonstrations vs. Prop 8 Message-ID: <49770.76.102.118.218.1227437367.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [GPCA-MediaComm] Coverage for GPCA. Please add to our webpage. From: civillib at comcast.net Date: Wed, November 19, 2008 23:13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, we may have put out the release, but only said we "supported" the demonstrations. Here, the ABC station in the capital city/Sacramento, stated it was organized by the Green Party of California...simply because we put out the release on our letterhead. That's incorrect. But I also had a call from the largest radio news station in Northern California. Sigh. But we get credit, albeit wrong, on the ABC station reach from north of Sacramento all the way to Modesto. Several million people. It pays to put out releases. Guess we can add this to our links/press coverage pages. Cres http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=50592&catid=2 Gay Marriage Supporters Rally Against Prop 8 Posted By: Jason Kobely 4 days ago SACRAMENTO, CA - For a second straight weekend, hundreds of gay marriage supporters marched on the State Capitol Saturday in opposition to California's controversial Proposition 8. After a rally at Cesar Chavez Park organized by the Green Party of California, more than 1,000 demonstrators marched to the Capitol in a show of support for gay and lesbian marriage rights in California. A small group of gay marriage opponents stood across the street from the rally, but no major clashes between the two sides were reported. The rally was one of several planned across California and around the country Saturday following the passage of Prop 8 earlier this month. Organizers expected as many as 1 million people to attend events in 65 cities statewide Saturday. In Massachusetts, the state where same-sex couples first exchanged wedding vows, speakers at Boston's City Hall called for "equal rights across the country." Massachusetts and Connecticut are the only two state that allow gay marriage. Low-key protests were held Saturday in Grand Forks, North Dakota, and in Fargo, where people lined a bridge carrying signs and flags. A state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage in North Dakota was overwhelmingly approved four years ago. There were other demonstrations Saturday in New York, Chicago and Philadelphia. News10/KXTV Copyright 2008 / All Rights Reserved From carolineyacoub at att.net Sun Nov 23 09:11:21 2008 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:11:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Status of the State Gathering In-Reply-To: <4928DD7C.3020908@greens.org> Message-ID: <703092.15845.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can sleep 6 people, or, if they don't mind sleeping on the floor, ten. I can haul 6 people up to San Mateo, and I can easily put the rest on a train. I don't think I can help by organizing anything, though. Caroline --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Jim Stauffer wrote: From: Jim Stauffer Subject: Status of the State Gathering To: "Jim Doyle" , "Andrea Dorey" , "Wes Rolley" , "Tian Harter" , "Dana St. George" , "Carol Brouillet" , "Caroline Yacoub" Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 8:35 PM Councilors - I'm circulating the following message to the discuss list. Basically, a Gathering looks possible in San Mateo if the leads on a facility pan out, and if we can help with a few volunteers. But, unlike the past two state meeting that we hosted, this one will not produce much (if any) profit. But it is an important meeting and that's reason enough for our support. I don't have a good feel for how much enthusiasm there is in Santa Clara for this project, but I believe it's worthwhile. Any comments or ideas? Jim S. 408-432-9148 ------------------------------------------------------------- A couple weeks ago I circulated a message to Santa Clara and San Mateo Green Parties asking if we could pull together a state meeting, called a Gathering. A Gathering is a non-business meeting consisting of presentations, workshops and speakers. There are no proposals and no delegates. The January after the Presidential election is a prime time for this type of event. People are still energized from the election and are ready to get involved with politics. A center focus of this Gathering will be planning an electoral strategy for the next few years. So this is an important meeting for the Green Party. Here's the current status of the planning. A final decision on whether or not we can/will do this has to be made by this coming Wednesday. The target dates for the Gathering are Jan. 10-11 or 24-25. San Mateo has two people who are enthusiastic about the idea and began scouting facilities that we could use. They've located a couple in the Belmont area that look promising. We'll tour these and get a final cost quote in the next few days. These facilities are not cheap ($1000 - $1200) so budget constraints will have to be tight. The other major issue to be resolved by Wednesday is if we have enough volunteers to work on this project. We do have a short planning horizon, which includes two holidays. This can done, but it does represent a challenge. San Mateo is a smaller Local than Santa Clara and they're hoping some people here can help out with the preparation before and at the event. Preparing one of these events has to be done mostly by the people in the immediate vicinity of the venue. But there are some things us southern neighbors could help with. The two main tasks are housing and food. Housing consists of recruiting homestay hosts -- people who can put up one or more Gathering participants -- and compiling a list of affordable hotels. I would guess there to be about half a dozen or so homestay requests at this type of event. Food consists of breakfast and lunch for both days. Breakfast is kept simple -- bagels, muffins, fruit, coffee, tea, etc. The easiest lunch is to procure take-out or catering. We should try to keep the cost at about $25 per day per person. Santa Clara folks could most easily help with the housing and the breakfast part of the food. These are things that could be done with out having to travel to Belmont. Also, since a Gathering offers various workshops and presentations, recruiting presenters from local green-leaning organizations is something we can help with. So, my question to all of you is, are the 4-to-6 people who would like to help organize this event? As I said, we have to make a final decision by Wednesday. If you are interested please email me and state what you can work on. Jim Stauffer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 23:28:37 2008 From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:28:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] When is use of force excessive? Message-ID: <9677.95848.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "The demonstrations turned violent, with some protesters throwing bottles and rocks at police and pushing down police barricades. 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Reports on past events: (try to hold them down to 5 min. or less) 1. sign-up sheets from Labot Day Weekenf 2. Election results 3. Green Festival in SF 4.Demonstration at Ferry Bldg. 5. Junior State in Santa Clara ? Upcoming Events and Outreach 1. December 6 Holiday Peace Fair, United Methodist Church, Campbell--Peter 2. MLK Freedom Train, January 19 3. America Festival 2009, earlybird discount 4. Schools 5. ?Media Group 6. ?G527 7. ?Gathering ? Selection of Agenda Preparer for next meeting ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From green at bionictoad.com Mon Nov 24 16:05:29 2008 From: green at bionictoad.com (Ray Tobey) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:05:29 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Find-A-Candidate Challenge: Do you have a success story yet? In-Reply-To: References: <98222.59469.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49271777.9070309@bionictoad.com> Message-ID: <492B4149.3050501@bionictoad.com> If you picked up Aimee's campaign flyer between Feb and Jun of 2006, I designed it. You might be able to find it on my web page about campaign design: http://www.bionictoad.com/design/ The Green Party has several campaign manuals available on different web sites. They are helpful, but frankly not as good as other references that are abundantly available. Using Amazon and Google, anyone can find more than enough info to win a local campaign. However, it does take a lot of time to separate the wheat from the chaff. Among the many problems plaguing the Green Party, lack of information does not rank very highly in my humble opinion. - Ray Brian Good wrote: > I know little of Aimee's campaign, but I was impressed by what > I saw in 2006. Her glossy campaign flyer I picked up from the > dispenser outside her Grand Ave. office gave the impression > that she wanted the job and that she could do the job. > > Can't the Green national office develop a campaign handbook > that can serve as a base point for all campaigns? Listing the > obvious gaffes and marks of the amateur seems like a place > to start. Maybe now that the elections are over, some of the > managers of successful campaigns would be willing to have their > brains picked for the benefit of the Party. > > Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbrouillet at igc.org Mon Nov 24 16:44:51 2008 From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:44:51 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [ppjc] The Great PPJC Relocation Rummage Giveaway! Message-ID: We could pick up some stuff to help us get more organized, if anyone has any room... Peninsula Peace and Justice Center www.PeaceandJustice.org [] Peace and Justice Calendar The Great PPJC Relocation Rummage Giveaway! One day only! Tuesday, November 25 4:00 - 7:00 pm [] Books! Videos! Vintage posters! Historical peace propaganda! Small electronics! And did we mention the mountains of office supplies? In preparation for our upcoming move to a new office space, PPJC is giving away a bunch of stuff that we still think is pretty neat but which we won't have room for in our new space. So come on by and pick up some free stuff! (If you want to toss a few dollars in the basket, that would be OK with us...) Peninsula Peace and Justice Center Conference Room 457 Kingsley Avenue Palo Alto Tuesday, November 25, 4:00 - 7:00 pm Including: metal cabinet/credenza, winged side table, roll-up table, couple dozen magazine filers, 3 desktop printers, miscellaneous spray paint, couple dozen binders, box of pocket folders, lots of accordion folders, hanging folders, and file folders, piles of pads, odd-sized envelopes, vintage bumper stickers, stickers, buttons, magnets, button-maker parts, a whole lot of vintage posters, old magazines (Monthly Review, Washington Report, Middle East Report, IF, etc.), books on politics, economics, social problems, misc. old videotapes on political happenings, KPFA premium CDs and videos, TUC Radio tapes, miscellaneous computer, A/V, and telephony cables, connectors, and hubs, electric pencil sharpener, rolling office chair, non-rolling office chair, picture frames, miscellaneous mailing supplies and office supplies, day planner systems, desk and literature organizer systems, broom, very old software, plastic bowls, nice plates, coffee & accoutrements, many, many bookends, lighter fluid, lost&found clothes. 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URL: From jims at greens.org Mon Nov 24 19:36:19 2008 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:36:19 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Memorial for Peter Camejo In-Reply-To: <8CB1CB5C221ACE6-44C-1BF0@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> References: <20081123183404.f3gmneehc8k00csk@mail.ucla.edu> <8CB1CB5C221ACE6-44C-1BF0@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <492B72B3.3080306@greens.org> It was a long but beautiful memorial. I wasn't the biggest fan of Peter Camejo, but I credit him with being a great Gubernatorial candidate for us. The list of speakers at the 3-1/2 hours service included Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzales, Gayle Mclaughlin, Todd Chretien, Donna Warren, Jason Weist (Green Mayor in NY), Cindy Sheehan, old friends, family, alies and co-workers. We learned a lot about Peter's early years, and he led a full and accomplished life. Many speaker noted what a source of inspiration he had been in their lives. Peter finished an autobiography just a week before he passed. It will be out sometime next year. Jim alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Did anyone attend the memorial for Peter Camejo in Berkeley? > > Tell us about it. > > Post a link to some good blog posts. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Nov 25 01:09:05 2008 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:09:05 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "The Slow Death of Gaza" Message-ID: <492BC0B1.20601@earthlink.net> http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/11/24-7 From wrolley at charter.net Wed Nov 26 10:38:00 2008 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:38:00 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A Morgan Hill Community Forum of interest ... maybe to all Message-ID: <492D9788.1080309@charter.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andid at cagreens.org Wed Nov 26 11:50:22 2008 From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:50:22 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Memorial for Peter Camejo & MN Article In-Reply-To: <492B72B3.3080306@greens.org> References: <20081123183404.f3gmneehc8k00csk@mail.ucla.edu> <8CB1CB5C221ACE6-44C-1BF0@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> <492B72B3.3080306@greens.org> Message-ID: <4CA97A84-5922-4A06-9520-8879EBEE87A5@cagreens.org> The article by Sean Maher (four columns with large B&W photo of Nader at the podium beneath portrait of a youthful Camejo) appeared in the SJ Merc in the obit section. I clipped a hardcopy for those who didn't see it. I'll bring it to the next general meeting. When I searched for the SJ Merc page by article title to include its text in this email, here's what I got: San Jose Mercury News (24 ?????? 2008) online San Jose Mercury News - ??????? ? ??????????? ?? ????????? ? PressDisplay. ... Hundreds remember Green Party leader ? | A balmy December ... vedomosti.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx?newspaper=san+jose+ mercury+news&issue=10132008112000000000001001 - Similar pages [Anything further is in Russian. Interesting, eh? I couldn't find an English version of the article.] ---------------- Here is another article by Judy Lin that was posted from Sacramento. Green Party activist Peter Camejo dies at 68 By JUDY LIN Associated Press Writer Posted: 09/13/2008 05:05:26 PM PDT SACRAMENTO?Peter Camejo, a Green Party leader who was a third-party candidate in three California gubernatorial elections before becoming Ralph Nader's running mate in the 2004 presidential race, died Saturday. He was 68. Camejo, who had been battling lymphoma, died at his home in Folsom, a suburb east of Sacramento. "Peter was a friend, colleague and politically courageous champion of the downtrodden and mistreated of the entire Western Hemisphere," Nader wrote in a statement released Saturday. "Everyone who met Peter, talked to Peter, worked with Peter, or argued with Peter, will miss the passing of a great American." Camejo ran for the state's top office in 2002, 2003 and 2006, supporting abortion rights, the legalization of marijuana, universal health care and a moratorium on the death penalty. Before joining the Green Party, he also ran for president as the Socialist Workers Party nominee in 1976. In 2004, Camejo was independent Nader's vice presidential pick. Last month, Camejo, who lost his hair from chemotherapy, attended the Peace and Freedom Party convention in Sacramento to endorse Nader's current bid for the presidency with running mate Matt Gonzalez. "Ralph Nader is more than a candidate, he's an issue," Camejo said in his Aug. 2 speech, adding that Nader brought true reform, offering an independent choice to the "ruling party." Camejo passed away a few days after completing his autobiography, according to Nader. Born on New Year's Eve 1939 in New York City, Camejo, a first-generation Venezuelan-American, became an activist at an early age, speaking out against the Vietnam War and for migrant worker rights. He marched in Selma, Ala., with Martin Luther King, Jr. His fiery activism also got him expelled from the University of California, Berkeley in 1967 for using a school microphone during a demonstration. A year later, then-governor Ronald Reagan put him on his list of the 10 most dangerous people in California because he was "present at all anti-war demonstrations." In 1987, Camejo co-founded Progressive Asset Management Inc., an Oakland investment firm that steers its clients' money into socially responsible funds where he remained its board chairman until his death. He also served as a board member of Earth Share, a federation of more than 400 environmental organizations, where he worked to promote solar energy. "Peter Camejo was a man of great passion and boundless compassion for the poor, uninsured workers and for immigrant workers in their struggle for justice and legalization," Mike Wyman, a longtime friend, said in a statement on behalf of the Green Party of California. "He became a leader in the environmental justice movement and helped organized communities of color around environmental issues that affected them directly." In January 2007, Camejo announced that doctors had diagnosed him with cancer after undergoing an MRI for a swollen spleen. According to a statement put out by Camejo's family on a blog that had been updating his condition, Camejo voluntarily returned home Friday after undergoing treatment at UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento for a reoccurrence of lymphoma. "Peter's health had declined rapidly over the last two days due to the aggressiveness of his cancer and the strength of the drugs used to combat his disease," according to the family statement. "His wife was at his side when he passed peacefully this morning." Camejo is survived by wife Morella, daughter Alexandra, son Victor, brothers Antonio, Daniel and Danny and three grandchildren. Funeral arrangements were under way and that a public memorial would be arranged later, his family said. Best wishes to all for a happy holiday, Andrea On Nov 24, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Jim Stauffer wrote: > It was a long but beautiful memorial. I wasn't the biggest fan of > Peter > Camejo, but I credit him with being a great Gubernatorial candidate > for us. > > The list of speakers at the 3-1/2 hours service included Ralph > Nader, Matt > Gonzales, Gayle Mclaughlin, Todd Chretien, Donna Warren, Jason > Weist (Green > Mayor in NY), Cindy Sheehan, old friends, family, alies and co- > workers. > > We learned a lot about Peter's early years, and he led a full and > accomplished life. 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Thanks to all who worked on the preliminary effort, and to those who did volunteer to help. If there is interest, we could consider hosting the plenary in April. Jim From vdf at juno.com Thu Nov 27 23:08:16 2008 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:08:16 GMT Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] United Farm Workers list of union label agricultural products for the holidays Message-ID: <20081127.230816.18521.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> http://www.ufw.org/_page.php?menu=organizing&inc=orga_label.html ____________________________________________________________ Learn the Six Sigma approach and become certified. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw4EFXPRSa9nZfvrL4s3IrDHpDqhZyA958HXXUT2EJNH4y6lH/ From pmyers42 at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 10:35:52 2008 From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:35:52 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Volunteers still needed for Holiday Peace Fair Message-ID: The 26th Annual Holiday Peace Fair is at Campbell United Methodist Church on Saturday, December 6th from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. We need a total of six volunteers: One volunteer to make baked goods beforehand to donate to the bake sale table; One volunteer from 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. to help me set up the table (we'll probably get done much earlier than 11, so you can stick around or skip out once the table's set); Two volunteers to work an 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. shift, handing out literature, making buttons, registering voters and GETTING PEOPLE'S CONTACT INFO; Another two volunteers to work a 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. shift, doing the same thing as the folks from 11 to 2. So far, Caroline has offered to donate baked goods, but clearly that doesn't fill every one of these spots. Please e-mail me at pmyers42 at gmail.com or call me at 408-242-4212 to volunteer. Thanks, - Peter Peter Myers pmyers42 at gmail.com http://www.p432689.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sat Nov 29 12:06:37 2008 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:06:37 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Action Ideas at Change.org Message-ID: Some weeks ago I suggested pressuring Obama to repudiate Bush policies in an "Obama Doctrine" statement reaffirming commitment to Rule of Law. An initiative along those lines appears at Change.org in the "Education" section, entitled "Announce the reversal of bad Bush executive orders at Inauguration". At Change.org select "Ideas," and then from the menu at the lower right, select "Education". After you register, you can vote for as many items as you want. I'd suggest you also visit the "Criminal Justice" section and vote for the impeachment initiative, and the investigations initiatives. The 9/11 investigation initiative, having amassed 251 votes in just 27 hours, is currently tied for top place with "Pass the DREAM Act Now!". _________________________________________________________________ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: