From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed Oct  1 09:14:19 2008
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] mailing lists
Message-ID: <881001.71716.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What happens to the contact information on people who are Greens, but not in the "in-group" that I collect every time I table? Is anybody keeping those name, phone numbers and e-mail addresses? Are we adding them to sosfbay? Am I wasting my freaking time?
Caroline
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed Oct  1 09:29:34 2008
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:29:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] meeting
Message-ID: <196874.38351.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think we need to decentralize tabling materials. There don't seem to be many of us willing or able to haul around the big, heavy stuff, which usually involves being there first and/or last to put up/take down the canopy at a big event with lots of traffic, although I've noticed the parking lot at the Peace Center fills up. I think we ought to have a more centralized location for the big, heavy stuff, and several decentralized locations for the paper stuff, buttons, etc.
Caroline
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  1 10:52:01 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:52:01 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Whose Congress is this?]
Message-ID: <48E3B8C1.8010404@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Whose Congress is this?
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:07:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Green Party of the United States <office at gp.org>
Reply-To: scotty at gp.org
To: santaclara at cagreens.org



[Green Party]

Whose Congress is this?

Anyone who still thinks that either of the two major parties represent
the interest of Main Street rather than Wall Street should take a look
at how much money the members of the US House of Representatives who
voted for the "No Tycoon Left Behind" bailout bill have raked in from
the same financial sectors responsible for the whole mess in the first
place.

According to The Center for Responsive Politics, lawmakers who voted in
favor of the bailout bill have received on average 51% more in campaign
contributions from sources in the finance, insurance and real estate
industries (FIRE industries) over their congressional careers than those
who opposed the emergency legislation.

In this election cycle, the 140 House Democrats who voted for the
bailout bill collected 78% more from the FIRE industries than the
Democrats who opposed it. The data shows that, over their careers, they
collected 88% more. While the gap is smaller on the Republican side,
those who voted yes on the bailout bill got an average of 23% more in
contributions from the FIRE industries in this election cycle than House
Republicans who voted against it. In the long run, they got 53% more.

When it comes to raking in cash, party leadership fares even better.
House Financial Services Committee Chair Barney Frank (D-MA) received
nearly $800,000 this election cycle from sources in the FIRE industries.
Ranking Republican committee member Spencer Bachus (AL) received
$822,000 from the FIRE industries this election cycle and $3.7 million
since 1989.

Unlike the two corporate parties now running Congress, Green Party
candidates accept no corporate contributions. When in office, we will
not be owned and bossed by Wall Street fat-cats. Green Officeholders are
free to vote for what's best for us, the American people, instead of the
Wall Street insiders who now run the show.

But to make your voice heard, we need your support. If your
Congressperson voted against the bailout bill, thank them. If they voted
for it, tell them how you really feel. Support Cynthia McKinney/Rosa
Clemente and other Green Party candidates on the ballot in November; and
donate to our future today.

*Please forward this message*

[Donate to GP Fund]

The Green Party takes no money from real estate companies, investment
firms, or insurance companies; In fact, we don't take any corporate
money because we think corporate money in politics is wrong. If
you?agree, please help us today.

Email:
<mailto:office at gp.org>
Office: PO Box 57065 Washington, D.C. 20037 202-319-7191 or toll-free
(US): 866-41GREEN




From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 11:23:21 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:23:21 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Whose Congress is this?]
In-Reply-To: <48E3B8C1.8010404@earthlink.net>
References: <48E3B8C1.8010404@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY115-W125B9682776DF3B9A687EA9E420@phx.gbl>



If this outfit OpenSecrets.org can be believed, Anna Eshoo had spent
over a million dollars on her 2008 campaign by June 30.  On what?
That's a lot of yard signs!  

I see $100 k to a fundraiser, $100 k in legal fees, $150 k to campaign
consultants (what campaign?), a whole lot of $1k contributions to other
campaign committees, $350 k to the Democratic Congressional
Campaign Committee, $70k legal fees.  

The rest seems to be restaurants, clothes, candy, flowers.  Looks like
she's spending a whole lot on expensive schmoozing and giving away
her money to other campaigns.

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/expend.php?cid=N00007335&cycle=2008&page=1








> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:52:01 -0700
> From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Whose Congress is this?]
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Whose Congress is this?
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:07:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Green Party of the United States <office at gp.org>
> Reply-To: scotty at gp.org
> To: santaclara at cagreens.org
> 
> 
> 
> [Green Party]
> 
> Whose Congress is this?
> 
> Anyone who still thinks that either of the two major parties represent
> the interest of Main Street rather than Wall Street should take a look
> at how much money the members of the US House of Representatives who
> voted for the "No Tycoon Left Behind" bailout bill have raked in from
> the same financial sectors responsible for the whole mess in the first
> place.
> 
> According to The Center for Responsive Politics, lawmakers who voted in
> favor of the bailout bill have received on average 51% more in campaign
> contributions from sources in the finance, insurance and real estate
> industries (FIRE industries) over their congressional careers than those
> who opposed the emergency legislation.
> 
> In this election cycle, the 140 House Democrats who voted for the
> bailout bill collected 78% more from the FIRE industries than the
> Democrats who opposed it. The data shows that, over their careers, they
> collected 88% more. While the gap is smaller on the Republican side,
> those who voted yes on the bailout bill got an average of 23% more in
> contributions from the FIRE industries in this election cycle than House
> Republicans who voted against it. In the long run, they got 53% more.
> 
> When it comes to raking in cash, party leadership fares even better.
> House Financial Services Committee Chair Barney Frank (D-MA) received
> nearly $800,000 this election cycle from sources in the FIRE industries.
> Ranking Republican committee member Spencer Bachus (AL) received
> $822,000 from the FIRE industries this election cycle and $3.7 million
> since 1989.
> 
> Unlike the two corporate parties now running Congress, Green Party
> candidates accept no corporate contributions. When in office, we will
> not be owned and bossed by Wall Street fat-cats. Green Officeholders are
> free to vote for what's best for us, the American people, instead of the
> Wall Street insiders who now run the show.
> 
> But to make your voice heard, we need your support. If your
> Congressperson voted against the bailout bill, thank them. If they voted
> for it, tell them how you really feel. Support Cynthia McKinney/Rosa
> Clemente and other Green Party candidates on the ballot in November; and
> donate to our future today.
> 
> *Please forward this message*
> 
> [Donate to GP Fund]
> 
> The Green Party takes no money from real estate companies, investment
> firms, or insurance companies; In fact, we don't take any corporate
> money because we think corporate money in politics is wrong. If
> you?agree, please help us today.
> 
> Email:
> <mailto:office at gp.org>
> Office: PO Box 57065 Washington, D.C. 20037 202-319-7191 or toll-free
> (US): 866-41GREEN
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

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From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Oct  1 11:44:06 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Whose Congress is this?]
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-W125B9682776DF3B9A687EA9E420@phx.gbl>
References: <48E3B8C1.8010404@earthlink.net>
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 11:59:46 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:59:46 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Whose Congress is this?]
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-W125B9682776DF3B9A687EA9E420@phx.gbl>
References: <48E3B8C1.8010404@earthlink.net>
	<BAY115-W125B9682776DF3B9A687EA9E420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY115-W53EC27831ACD8611E324859E420@phx.gbl>



Don't quote me on the Eshoo figures; I was multitasking.  

Zoe Lofgren spent $430 k.

$145k went to fundraising consultants.
$130 k to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
$40 k for accounting

Look at the top zip codes for Lofgren's contribs.  Looks to me like only one 
of them is in her district.  



94022 (Los Altos, CA)$17,00095070 (Saratoga, CA)$14,70094301 (Palo Alto, CA)$9,55094024 (Los Altos, CA)$9,10094028 (Portola Valley, CA)$9,10094588 (Pleasanton, CA)$7,90094025 (Menlo Park, CA)$7,60095112 (San Jose, CA)$7,20494303 (Palo Alto, CA)$5,85020005 (Washington, DC)$5,75094062 (Redwood City, CA)$5,750


From: snug.bug at hotmail.com
To: gerrygras at earthlink.net; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:23:21 -0700
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Whose Congress is this?]









If this outfit OpenSecrets.org can be believed, Anna Eshoo had spent
over a million dollars on her 2008 campaign by June 30.  On what?
That's a lot of yard signs!  

I see $100 k to a fundraiser, $100 k in legal fees, $150 k to campaign
consultants (what campaign?), a whole lot of $1k contributions to other
campaign committees, $350 k to the Democratic Congressional
Campaign Committee, $70k legal fees.  

The rest seems to be restaurants, clothes, candy, flowers.  Looks like
she's spending a whole lot on expensive schmoozing and giving away
her money to other campaigns.

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/expend.php?cid=N00007335&cycle=2008&page=1








> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:52:01 -0700
> From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Whose Congress is this?]
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Whose Congress is this?
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:07:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Green Party of the United States <office at gp.org>
> Reply-To: scotty at gp.org
> To: santaclara at cagreens.org
> 
> 
> 
> [Green Party]
> 
> Whose Congress is this?
> 
> Anyone who still thinks that either of the two major parties represent
> the interest of Main Street rather than Wall Street should take a look
> at how much money the members of the US House of Representatives who
> voted for the "No Tycoon Left Behind" bailout bill have raked in from
> the same financial sectors responsible for the whole mess in the first
> place.
> 
> According to The Center for Responsive Politics, lawmakers who voted in
> favor of the bailout bill have received on average 51% more in campaign
> contributions from sources in the finance, insurance and real estate
> industries (FIRE industries) over their congressional careers than those
> who opposed the emergency legislation.
> 
> In this election cycle, the 140 House Democrats who voted for the
> bailout bill collected 78% more from the FIRE industries than the
> Democrats who opposed it. The data shows that, over their careers, they
> collected 88% more. While the gap is smaller on the Republican side,
> those who voted yes on the bailout bill got an average of 23% more in
> contributions from the FIRE industries in this election cycle than House
> Republicans who voted against it. In the long run, they got 53% more.
> 
> When it comes to raking in cash, party leadership fares even better.
> House Financial Services Committee Chair Barney Frank (D-MA) received
> nearly $800,000 this election cycle from sources in the FIRE industries.
> Ranking Republican committee member Spencer Bachus (AL) received
> $822,000 from the FIRE industries this election cycle and $3.7 million
> since 1989.
> 
> Unlike the two corporate parties now running Congress, Green Party
> candidates accept no corporate contributions. When in office, we will
> not be owned and bossed by Wall Street fat-cats. Green Officeholders are
> free to vote for what's best for us, the American people, instead of the
> Wall Street insiders who now run the show.
> 
> But to make your voice heard, we need your support. If your
> Congressperson voted against the bailout bill, thank them. If they voted
> for it, tell them how you really feel. Support Cynthia McKinney/Rosa
> Clemente and other Green Party candidates on the ballot in November; and
> donate to our future today.
> 
> *Please forward this message*
> 
> [Donate to GP Fund]
> 
> The Green Party takes no money from real estate companies, investment
> firms, or insurance companies; In fact, we don't take any corporate
> money because we think corporate money in politics is wrong. If
> you?agree, please help us today.
> 
> Email:
> <mailto:office at gp.org>
> Office: PO Box 57065 Washington, D.C. 20037 202-319-7191 or toll-free
> (US): 866-41GREEN
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  1 23:01:37 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:01:37 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [gpsmc-d] FW: Send then a NO Message from
	California]
Message-ID: <48E463C1.2000007@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [gpsmc-d] FW: Send then a NO Message from California
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:02:03 -0700
From: Martin Zehr <m_zehr at hotmail.com>
To: Greens SanMateo <gpsmc-d at cagreens.org>





Member Name
DC Phone
DC FAX
Electronic Correspondence

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D- CA)
202-224-3841
202-228-3954
http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe

Senator Barbara Boxer (D- CA)
202-224-3553
202-224-0454
http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm

Representative Mike Thompson (D - 01)
202-225-3311
202-225-4335
http://mikethompson.house.gov/contact/email.shtml

Representative Wally Herger (R - 02)
202-225-3076
202-226-0852
http://www.house.gov/herger/contact.shtml

Representative Dan Lungren (R - 03)
202-225-5716
202-226-1298
http://lungren.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=146&
<http://lungren.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=146&>

Representative John T. Doolittle (R - 04)
202-225-2511
202-225-5444
http://doolittle.house.gov/email/

Representative Doris Matsui (D - 05)
202-225-7163
202-225-0566
https://forms.house.gov/matsui/webforms/issue_subscribe.htm

Representative Lynn C. Woolsey (D - 06)
202-225-5161
202-225-5163
http://woolsey.house.gov/contactemailform.asp

Representative George Miller (D - 07)
202-225-2095
202-225-5609
http://georgemiller.house.gov/contactus/2007/08/post_1.html

Representative Nancy Pelosi (D - 08)
202-225-4965
202-225-4188
sf.nancy at mail.house.gov

Representative Barbara Lee (D - 09)
202-225-2661
202-225-9817
http://lee.house.gov/?sectionid=128?iontree=18128

Representative Ellen O. Tauscher (D - 10)
202-225-1880
202-225-5914
http://www.tauscher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=966&Itemid=103 

<http://www.tauscher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=966&Itemid=103>

Representative Jerry McNerney (D - 11)
202-225-1947
202-225-4060
http://mcnerney.house.gov/contact.shtml

Representative Jackie Speier (D - 12)
202-225-3531
202-226-4183
http://speier.house.gov/IMA/issue_subscribe.shtml

Representative Fortney (Pete) Stark (D - 13)
202-225-5065
202-226-3805
http://www.house.gov/stark/contact/index.htm

Representative Anna G. Eshoo (D - 14)
202-225-8104
202-225-8890
http://eshoo.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=447&Itemid= 

<http://eshoo.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=447&Itemid=>

Representative Mike Honda (D - 15)
202-225-2631
202-225-2699
http://www.honda.house.gov/contactmike.shtml

Representative Zoe Lofgren (D - 16)
202-225-3072
202-225-3336
http://lofgren.house.gov/emailform.shtml

Representative Sam Farr (D - 17)
202-225-2861
202-225-6791
http://www.farr.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202
<http://www.farr.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202>

Representative Dennis Cardoza (D - 18)
202-225-6131
202-225-0819
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Representative George P. Radanovich (R - 19)
202-225-4540
202-225-3402
http://radanovich.house.gov/Contact/email.htm

Representative Jim Costa (D - 20)
202-225-3341
202-225-9308
http://www.house.gov/formcosta/issue.htm

Representative Devin Nunes (R - 21)
202-225-2523
202-225-3404
http://www.nunes.house.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.ContactForm

Representative Kevin McCarthy (R - 22)
202-225-2915
202-225-2908
http://kevinmccarthy.house.gov/showpage.asp?ID=69

Representative Lois Capps (D - 23)
202-225-3601
202-225-5632
http://www.house.gov/capps/contact/send_an_email.shtml

Representative Elton Gallegly (R - 24)
202-225-5811
202-225-1100
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Representative Howard P. (Buck) McKeon (R - 25)
202-225-1956
202-226-0683
http://mckeon.house.gov/contact.html

Representative David Dreier (R - 26)
202-225-2305
202-225-7018
http://dreier.house.gov/talkto.htm

Representative Brad Sherman (D - 27)
202-225-5911
202-225-5879
http://www.house.gov/sherman/contact/

Representative Howard L. Berman (D - 28)
202-225-4695
202-225-3196
http://www.house.gov/berman/contact/

Representative Adam Schiff (D - 29)
202-225-4176
202-225-5828
http://schiff.house.gov/HoR/CA29/Contact+Information/Contact+Form.htm

Representative Henry A. Waxman (D - 30)
202-225-3976
202-225-4099
http://www.house.gov/waxman/contact.htm

Representative Xavier Becerra (D - 31)
202-225-6235
202-225-2202
http://becerra.house.gov/HoR/CA31/Hidden+Content/Email+Signup+Form.htm

Representative Hilda A. Solis (D - 32)
202-225-5464
202-225-5467
http://solis.house.gov/contact/email.shtml

Representative Diane E. Watson (D - 33)
202-225-7084
202-225-2422
http://www.house.gov/watson/zipauth.shtml

Representative Lucille Roybal-Allard (D - 34)
202-225-1766
202-226-0350
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Representative Maxine Waters (D - 35)
202-225-2201
202-225-7854
http://www.house.gov/waters/IMA/issue.htm

Representative Jane Harman (D - 36)
202-225-8220
202-226-7290
http://www.house.gov/harman/contact/email.shtml

Representative Laura Richardson (D - 37)
202-225-7924
202-225-7926
http://richardson.house.gov/IMA/issue_subscribe.htm

Representative Grace Napolitano (D - 38)
202-225-5256
202-225-0027
http://www.napolitano.house.gov/contact/feedback.htm

Representative Linda T. Sanchez (D - 39)
202-225-6676
202-226-1012
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Representative Edward R. Royce (R - 40)
202-225-4111
202-226-0335
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Representative Jerry Lewis (R - 41)
202-225-5861
202-225-6498
http://www.house.gov/jerrylewis/WritetoRepresentativeLewis.htm

Representative Gary Miller (R - 42)
202-225-3201
202-226-6962
http://garymiller.house.gov/Contact/

Representative Joe Baca (D - 43)
202-225-6161
202-225-8671
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Representative Ken Calvert (R - 44)
202-225-1986
202-225-2004
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Representative Mary Bono Mack (R - 45)
202-225-5330
202-225-2961
http://www.house.gov/formbono/issue.htm

Representative Dana Rohrabacher (R - 46)
202-225-2415
202-225-0145
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Representative Loretta Sanchez (D - 47)
202-225-2965
202-225-5859
http://www.lorettasanchez.house.gov/forms/contact.html

Representative John Campbell (R - 48)
202-225-5611
202-225-9177
http://campbell.house.gov/Contact/

Representative Darrell Issa (R - 49)
202-225-3906
202-225-3303
http://issa.house.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm

Representative Brian Bilbray (R - 50)
202-225-0508
202-225-2558
http://www.house.gov/bilbray/contact.shtml

Representative Bob Filner (D - 51)
202-225-8045
202-225-9073
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Representative Duncan Hunter (R - 52)
202-225-5672
202-225-0235
http://www.house.gov/writerep/



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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Oct  1 23:27:06 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:27:06 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Carol Brouillet said "this is great!"
Message-ID: <48E469BA.2020103@aceweb.com>

Just in case you were wondering about the background for the mortgage
mess that is mesmerizing Washington, check this out:

http://docs.google.com/TeamPresent?docid=ddp4zq7n_0cdjsr4fn&skipauth=true
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest: Added a Pennsylvania change picture.
I still have about 147 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
I gave Peter Myers (Green Party, 15th CD, California) an Alaska quarter.


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 00:48:01 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:48:01 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Carol Brouillet said "this is great!"
In-Reply-To: <48E469BA.2020103@aceweb.com>
References: <48E469BA.2020103@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-W294D7FCA0F44628F04FC4B9E3D0@phx.gbl>





I agree, that's great!  An inspiring example of funky grass-roots 

artwork that works brilliantly.   My only quibble is the trashcan 
monument as "The End".  Can't we clean it up and move on?



B






> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:27:06 -0700
> From: tnharter at aceweb.com
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Carol Brouillet said "this is great!"
> 
> Just in case you were wondering about the background for the mortgage
> mess that is mesmerizing Washington, check this out:
> 
> http://docs.google.com/TeamPresent?docid=ddp4zq7n_0cdjsr4fn&skipauth=true
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest: Added a Pennsylvania change picture.
> I still have about 147 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
> I gave Peter Myers (Green Party, 15th CD, California) an Alaska quarter.
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  2 12:06:43 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:06:43 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Stop the Bailout in the House]
Message-ID: <48E51BC3.8010209@earthlink.net>


My purpose in forwarding this is for the info about the bailout.
It is not my purpose to encourage or discourage voting for Nader.

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Stop the Bailout in the House
Date: 02 Oct 2008 11:38:38 -0700
From: "The Nader Team " <team at votenader.org>
Reply-To: "The Nader Team" <team at votenader.org>
To: gerrygras at earthlink.net



[Ralph Nader for President 2008]

October 2, 2008
www.votenader.org



Woah Nellie!

You guys blew the roof off our $150,000 Three Way Race fundraising goal.

And you blew the roof off of our $3 million goal for the end of September.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

We'll be launching our October drive tomorrow.

With a special premium offer.

So, stay tuned.

But for now, we're back at it, trying to derail the $700 billion Mother
of All Bailouts.

The bill will be voted on by the House of Representatives tomorrow.

So, here's what we need you to do now.

Call Congress' main switchboard number at 202.224.3121.

Ask for your member of Congress.

(If the main switchboard number is jammed, you can Google your member's
name and find a direct dial phone number. If your member of Congress
voted against the first bailout bill, you can find their direct dial
phone number on this spreadsheet
our staff just cobbled together.)

Tell the person who answers the phone to please take a message for your
elected representative.

The message for your member of Congress is this:

Please vote against the bailout bill.

Call 202.224.3121.

Tell your member of Congress:

Please vote no on the bailout.

Let's crank it up.

And get it done.


Onward to November

The Nader Team


PS: We're not sure what will be in the bill that the House will vote
for, but we are pretty sure that it will be similar to the Senate bill.
Which is the MOB bill -- the Mother of All Bailouts, supported by McCain
Obama and Bush. That is -- big relief for the big banks. Little relief
for homeowners facing foreclosure. That's one. Two, Warren Buffett
recently invested in Goldman Sachs. What did Warren Buffett get in
return? Ownership. So, if the American taxpayers are going to inject
money into the big banks, why don't we get ownership in return? Three,
there is no provision in the bill for cracking down on the corporate
criminals that brought us to this point. Why not? Four, the federal
government can take action now to prevent foreclosures, to keep
homeowners in their homes. Why is the first move to bail out those who
engaged in "a sustained orgy of excess and reckless behavior?" (As
Dallas Federal Reserve chairman Richard Fisher put it last week.) In
sum, it's a bailout bill for Wall Street crooks. Reach for your phone.
Dial that there number -- 202.224.3121. Leave a message for your member
of Congress. Vote no on the bailout.





Paid for by Nader for President 2008
der for President 2008 P.O. Box 34103 Washington, D.C. 20043 (202) 471
5833




From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 14:02:20 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:02:20 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] McKinney Story on 5000 Executions Hits the News
Message-ID: <BAY115-W198D1836E3E5A2EE440B3D9E3D0@phx.gbl>



http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/02/mckinney-accuses-government-slaughtering-prisoners-dumping-bodies-katrina/


I've been troubled by Cynthia's failure to follow up with any
evidence for her charges.  Is she nuts?

I have one comforting scenario:  

She knew that if she provided the evidence, it would be ignored 
by the news media as the election fraud story and the 9/11 story 
and the neofascistic legislation stories have been ignored.

So she lures the media with "McKinney Goes Nuts--Do You Know 
What She Said?" That will go far and wide.  When that's penetrated,
THEN she backs up the charges.

She's not nuts, she's a genius!  I hope.

B



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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  2 16:09:51 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:09:51 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bailout articles
Message-ID: <48E554BF.5000202@earthlink.net>


"How the Media Sold Their Souls to Wall Street"
(with some pertinent info I have not seen elsewhere)
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/10/02-3

"Economist Asks: Is The Bailout Necessary?"
(This title is misleading, he is very critical of
the proposed bailout and the people behind it.)
     http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/02

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  2 19:05:31 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:05:31 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Friend, Don't Let Up!]
Message-ID: <48E57DEB.8040909@earthlink.net>


Pressure is high from both sides.  Price tag is up to
$850,000,000,000.00, (almost $3,000 per man, woman and
child).

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Friend, Don't Let Up!
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 21:00:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: CODEPINK <codepink at mail.democracyinaction.org>
Reply-To: codepink at mail.democracyinaction.org
To: gerrygras at earthlink.net

<clip>

October 2, 2008

Dear Friend,

We've never seen anything like this! The Congressional switchboard and
website have been so overloaded by angry citizens that they keep
crashing. You can't walk into a congressional office without hearing
beleaguered staffers saying to a caller, "Yes, I understand you're
against the bailout."

You have been part of a popular uprising that is rocking this nation, an
uprising that unites left and right, blue states and red states. We
can't let up!

Friday is the most critical day yet. Please--call your congressperson's
office RIGHT NOW! (202) 224-3121) Many reps are wavering. They are being
hounded by Wall Street, the White House and their party leadership to
vote for this bill-which now has a price tag of $850 billion! Tell them
to Just Say No. Tell them to forget their recess and their
electioneering, and stay in Congress as long as it takes to get a GOOD
BILL that provides real relief for homeowners, revitalizes our
communities and makes Wall Street pay for its greed and bungling.

[Paulson Must Go] We've been backing up your calls with non-stop actions
in Washington DC. We leave the CODEPINK house in the early morn going
from office to office. We corner the reps as they walk through the
halls, get a bite to eat, hold their press conferences, go to their
cars. We did die-ins in the offices of McCain and Obama, calling for
real leadership from the candidates. We shamed Senators after the late
night vote. We protested in front of the White House and the Treasury
Department. We demonstrated during the Paulson-Bernanke hearings.

Let's keep the momentum building. Call right now. Keep those phones
jammed. For once, make sure Washington hears us!!!
NO BAILOUT FOR WALL STREET!

With fire in our bellies,
Audrey, Dana, Deidra, Desiree, Farida, Gael, Gayle, Jean, Jodie, Liz,
Lori, Medea, Nancy, and Rae


[Paulson Must Go] P.S. We're also calling for the removal of Treasury
Secretary Paulson. He's a Wall Street speculator (former CEO of Goldman
Sachs) whose shady deals helped get us into this crisis. We can't trust
him with the solution. Sign our call Paulson Must Go
     http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/424/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=1414

and join our campaign to stop the fox from guarding the henhouse.


Call your rep and Senators at
(202) 224-3121

Paulson Must Go!
Sign this petition

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/424/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=1414



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  2 21:09:15 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:09:15 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [SVIC] URGENT!: DeFazio's five minute
	explanation of the Bush-Pelosi bailout plan]
Message-ID: <48E59AEB.1010807@earthlink.net>


fyi, fwiw,

gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [SVIC] URGENT!: DeFazio's five minute explanation of the
Bush-Pelosi bailout plan
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0700
From: Randy Sandberg <randywsandberg at gmail.com>
Reply-To: svic at lists.riseup.net,Randy Sandberg <randywsandberg at gmail.com>
To: svic at lists.riseup.net, Undisclosed-recipients: <>;



Hello All,


Representative Peter DeFazio stands up for all of us and clearly
explains what kind of "deal" we're in for if we go forward with the
Bush-Pelosi bailout plan:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/36563

Please help this video go viral by sending it to EVERYONE you know.
Moreover, please call your Congressperson tomorrow, even if you've
already called, and simply say "No Bailout!"


Note: You could also mention that if they vote YEA on the bailout you
will not vote for them this November.



Randy W. Sandberg
San Jose, CA 95136
---

"What seems to be happening is that the Bush administration is
engineering a massive raid on the Federal treasury to pay off the people
within the financial industry who have been operating the housing scam
because the politicians told them to do it. This is hush money."
-- Richard C. Cook





From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  3 00:32:07 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:32:07 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GP precinct walking for Cindy Sheehan Oct. 4
References: <48D6D020.8050105@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48E5CA77.8040105@earthlink.net>


Reminder,

Gerry


Gerry Gras wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> members of the Green Party of Monterey County and Santa
> Cruz County are precinct walking for Cindy Sheehan on
> Saturday, Oct. 4th, (2 weeks from yesterday).  We are
> invited to join them.  They are planning to meet at
> 10AM at Cindy's office.
> 




From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  3 14:14:25 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:14:25 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bailout Passes--Lee and Woolsey Caved,
	Stark held firm
Message-ID: <BAY115-W425AF3C46003BB78EAA1B29E3C0@phx.gbl>




http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE1r_DuYH2j4rBy8JqBaVQ40MiOQD93J6A400


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From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Oct  4 15:38:52 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:38:52 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A lesson in local politics
Message-ID: <48E7F07C.2030502@charter.net>

I think that the city council race in Morgan Hill is worth watching to 
see what it takes to get elected.

 From Friday's Morgan Hill Times, an article 
<http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news/249065-challenger-faces-incumbents-for-two-city-council-seats> 
by new reporter Natalie Everett.
> Challenger faces incumbents for two city council seats
> Oct 2, 2008
>  By Natalie Everett <mailto:neverett at morganhilltimes.com>
>
> The race for the two open seats on Morgan Hill City Council might at 
> first glance seem a yawn: two incumbents running against someone with 
> little civil experience - and no experience as an elected official.
>
> But look again: that someone - Marilyn Librers - has a long presence 
> in the Morgan Hill business community and has raised $5,000 for her 
> campaign. Second-term Councilman Larry Carr has raised $3,000. And 
> first-term Councilman Mark Grzan has raised no money.
> ...
I bring this up, because the differences in style and organizational 
background may point to what works well and what does not, especially in 
this part of the county.

We need to start looking at the degree to which one of these fails to 
succeed.  I will note that I asked some questions of the two incumbents, 
Grzan and Carr.  Grzan answered quickly, with enthusiasm, but not very 
clearly.  Carr did not answer until after I dinged him for it in my most 
recent column.  When he did, it was very direct and showed that he had 
paid attention to what I asked... As noted in the Natalie's story, Grzan 
and Carr make up the Utilities and Environment Committee on the City 
Council.

This may become even more important as Don Gage will be termed out of 
his supervisor's seat in 2010 and we need to consider having a Green run 
for that seat, or that of any other supervisor who gets termed out.

Wes



-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sun Oct  5 10:14:20 2008
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:14:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: [BASC Chat] Fw: Would you like to host a most
	unusual party?
Message-ID: <343522.47089.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Kathy <ktriolo at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Kathy <ktriolo at comcast.net>
Subject: [BASC Chat] Fw: Would you like to host a most unusual party?
To: BASCChat at yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 8:17 PM






I received this email from an acquaintance of mine with a great opportunity if you have the time and the energy. I, unfortunately, have neither but I wanted to give you all this information if you are the least bit interested. Let me know if you decide to host a party.

Thanks, Kathy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Diane Weissman 
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Would you like to host a most unusual party?

Bob and I volunteered this morning at a really interesting event. Do you remember what I wrote about visiting the Maasai village when we were in Kenya? The schoolteacher Hellen who had created a village for girls rescued from early marriage and FGM. She's supported by a number of people, including one from Livermore who's been very active in creating a foundation and raising money for her. www.asanteafrica. org This foundation was given frequent flyer miles to bring Hellen and one of the warriors over here to go on a fund raising publicity tour and today they were in Palo Alto. It was very well done and well organized.

My heart is really with another British woman who is trying to run a children's home in Kenya and this coming week I'm going to send out an update on what's happening there but I have been distracted by this Maasai visit which we only learned of about a week ago. In addition to the public events like today they are also doing a series of private events. All that's involved is that you provide a location and get friends and neighbors to come. Most people are asking their guests to provide a minimum donation of say $25 - $35, but each host can do things any way they wish. The commitment is that the host will underwrite at least $700 of donations - in other words if they don't get at least $700 from sales of items and donations the host has to make it up to that amount. It's a heck of a way to have a completely unique party! 

Hellen wears her full Maasai robes and jewellery and tells the story of her life and that of her girls. Sabore, the warrior, is strikingly tall and also wears traditional red cloth and carries his spear and stick with him everywhere - it was quite an issue getting through airport security apparently. He'll tell you about his life as a Maasai child, being sponsored to attend school, running away to go off with his warrior friends and living the true warrior existence for almost two years before returning to his village to finish school. He'll demonstrate how they defend themselves from the wild buffalo and lions as they live in the wilderness and teach children how a warrior must jump. He's well suited for this promotion/education job because he's really experienced the Maasai lifestyle yet speaks excellent English.

They are in the Bay Area until 21st October, and still do have some gaps in the schedule so if you are interested in hosting a private event please let me know asap and perhaps we can coordinate several events in this area. Don't just think of sit around and eat parties, think about hosting a hike with a warrior (they love to walk and be outside), or a gathering after Sunday morning service, or a special event for children's birthday party. The possibilities are endless. I do apologize that this is such short notice but that's the way life is sometimes, you have to catch these opportunities as they race by. Do it - really it's very worthwhile. 

Diane
650-964-1003

P.S. There is one remaining public event next Saturday morning at the Masonic Center in Pleasanton . Details www.asanteafrica. org 

In her trip report Diane wrote:

............ ........The third "orphanage" visit we'd arranged was with a teacher called Helen. It was a good thing that our driver knew the way. There are no road signs in rural Kenya. After three hours on the main road he'd suddenly turned left and started driving across a field. The main road had been partly paved, full of potholes and washed out in places. Now there was no road. Gradually I began to see that we were following tracks in the dust. Others had driven this way, though not many, and certainly this was not on a regular bus route.

After three or four miles there was a flash of red in the distance. It turned out to be a fully armed Maasai warrior. Our driver slowed, exchanged a few words in Swahili and the warrior jumped into our car. They continued to talk animatedly without a word of explanation to us as we drove on. Had we been caught trespassing or were about to be accused of something worse?

A couple of miles later we arrived under a group of trees to find a picnic table and hot tea waiting for us. Helen Nkuraiya and her five warriors provided a wonderfully warm welcome their village. Helen is a school teacher, Maasai by birth, who went to Nairobi for her training. She returned to her home tribal area with a determination to rescue girls from FGM (female genital mutilation) or what we know as female circumcision.

Largely outlawed, but still practiced in some tribal areas today, FGM is done on girls around 12 or 13 years old as they are being prepared for marriage. Girls are basically "chattel" - to use the biblical term - and are given for marriage in return for cows to their family. The more desirable the young bride the more cows she's worth - and it's not education that makes her more valuable- in fact, probably the opposite. Polygamy is common and generally it's the older, richer men who seek young virgins. We were introduced to Kitiya, 12 years old, who had been rescued by Helen from becoming the third wife of an 80 year old. She was too young to be truly beautiful and as she gazed at us nervously from behind frightened eyes I couldn't help thinking of a geisha.

After tea the five Maasai warriors proceeded to formally welcome us with chanting/dancing/ jumping. They were still holding their spears and we learned they also had clubs on their belts so it could have been truly intimidating but we were assured of their friendliness when they gave John, the youngest member of our party, a red blanket for his shoulders and invited him to join in their jumping routine. It seemed to be a macho thing - the higher you could jump, the more you were admired. Our flat footed friend gave it is best shot and received enthusiastic encouragement from the warriors and reduced the rest of us to hysterical laughter. The driver Dominic was upset - don't laugh at him, he insisted, he'll be offended. He seemed quite perplexed when we explained that in our culture we admire people who give things a try, regardless of how much we laugh at them doing it. 

The warriors had amazing stamina and our valiant friend hung in there for a good amount of time, creating a solid bond of friendship and mutual admiration. We were now accepted and invited to come into the inner sanctum of their village. 

A Maasai village consists of two concentric rings of thorny acacia branches, perhaps 12 feet high. The small gateway openings can be blocked at night to keep the wild animals out and the small children in. The cattle are contained in the inner circle for the night and the houses of the village spread out within the two walls.

Helen can tell when girls in her school are being prepared for marriage - the family starts to brew beer. Marriage often happens quickly after the deal is struck. The girl is circumcised a few days before the ceremony then, after a feast in her village, she walks behind her new husband to his village where another feast takes place. Then she moves in with her mother in law for about a month, whilst she heals. The mother in law instructs her on the duties of a wife including how to construct her own house.

One builds with what one has available, which is basically acacia branches and cow dung - smeared on the outside to reduce draughts and add stability. The huts, maybe measuring 6 feet by 8 feet contain a sleeping area, a cooking area and a place to store their very limited belongings. The beds were slightly elevated from the ground but otherwise there was no furniture. What do you need when all you own is one change of clothes? Half a dozen books were all that 15 girls had to share, but without power or lighting reading at night is not an option.

Helen showed us the chicken coop she'd constructed from corrugated iron. She admitted that she'd developed a liking to "white meat" whilst living in the big city. Maasai people traditionally live on milk, blood and meat - from their goats and cows. Cows are their prize possessions and guarded all day by the warriors, boys typically aged 15 - 25. These boys, called Morans, have the duty of protecting the tribe and are considered to be the most important members. They are expected to serve for 10 years before marrying. Once married they become a Junior Elder and their job is to "make decisions". Their wives do everything else. 

Younger boys, from 5 years old are sent out daily to guard the goats. A coming of age ceremony is held every 14 years when eligible boys can advance to warrior status by proving their bravery. Outside of their mother's houses, in full public view, they undergo a ceremonial circumcision. Everyone is indoctrinated from birth - shed a tear and you are too weak to be able to protect a family and can never be married. Worse still, run away and you become an outcast from the village.

In the Maasai culture cows = wealth. Men own the cows therefore men own everything. When the man dies his oldest son inherits and often provides upkeep for his mother but turns out the other wives of his father. These widows are left without education, skills or a means of support - and often with dependent children. Helen explained that after she'd constructed her village to provide housing and protection for the rescued young girls, many widows had come to her and begged her to take them and their offspring in. Currently she has about 15 girls and 15 widows living in her village, protected by 5 warriors and a chief who provides the land for her to undertake this unconventional lifestyle. International sponsors who have donated funds to buy a cow help provide a food supplies for these women. The widows, one as young as 14, welcomed us by singing and showing us the beadwork they'd done - which is sold to tourist shops and markets. The needs of these
 women are very low but what they have is even less.

The widows were all quite tall and incredibly thin. Traditionally they eat only once a day and always the same limited diet. Cows are milked and each night the cow is also bled at the neck. Salt, harvested from the places where animals urinate, is added to the blood to turn it semi solid overnight. This, along with goat meat, is their diet. Occasionally they eat wild berries, but other fruit is unknown to them and growing vegetables not an option in an area where wild animals will come and dig up anything they plant. Helen explained that she brings back fruit from her occasional trips to the city but mostly the women don't like it. They refuse "white meat" and even eggs, although she is teaching nutrition and trying to incorporate eggs to the diet of the young children. Change happens slowly. Malnutrition is rampant and life expectancy short but this is the life they know and the life they expect.

I always remember the maxim - you can give a man a fish and feed him for a day - you can teach a man to fish and you feed him for life. As much as we want to give and encourage others to give money to support the multitude of childrens' house and orphanages in Africa, I do feel that the biggest long term impact is to provide access to education. To that extent I admire and support the work of The Asante Africa Foundation who seeks sponsors for girls such as those rescued by Helen. $500 per year provides food, clothing, shelter and education for one of these girls. $200 buys a cow for the village. $2 buys a chicken. 

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From alexcathy at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 13:21:16 2008
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:21:16 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] California's 53 House Members
Message-ID: <8CAF60838853716-1744-E00@WEBMAIL-MZ02.sysops.aol.com>

F.Y.I.

I have posted a list of California's 53 House Members and how they voted on the Bailout on California Greening: 

http://cagreening.blogspot.com/ 

The list is setup by region. 


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From vasyvic at aol.com  Mon Oct  6 19:38:11 2008
From: vasyvic at aol.com (by way of Carol Brouillet <cbrouillet@igc.org>)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:38:11 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Appeal to Members of the Green Party of
 California to Help Vic Sadot Get Settled in California
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Subject: Appeal to Members of the Green Party of California to Help 
Vic Sadot Get Settled in California

Appeal To Members of the Green Party of California to Help Activist 
Singer-Songwriter Vic Sadot

The message below was originally sent in late August from Dave 
McCorquodale, Green Party of Delaware, to try to line up some help 
from Green Party of California activists for activist 
singer-songwriter Vic Sadot. My truck engine blew in Evanston, 
Wyoming, and I was stranded there for two weeks while I waited for a 
used engine to be delivered and installed. My meager resources 
evaporated. An appeal for gas money from friends back in Delaware 
finally enabled me to get to San Francisco. I had a place to stay for 
a week in Oakland, but I spent the last three days living in the back 
of my truck. And that's where I will be tonight again. Nonetheless, I 
played for Cynthia McKinney at the Marin County Green Party 
fundraiser for her last Sunday and she called out the names of my 
songs. I also played for the Green Party at Foothill Community 
College last Wednesday where Carol Brouillet spoke to the students. I 
also attended the Thursday meeting of the Northern California 9/11 
Truth Alliance. I hope you will check out what Dave wrote on my 
behalf and the links to the songs I sing. I think I could be a great 
asset to the Green Party of California if I can manage to stick 
around long enough to find a way to relocate here. Vic Sadot

Green Friends,
    I am writing to ask you to help Vic Sadot when he is in the San 
Francisco Area. He is traveling
to California and will spend some time in Templeton and some time 
around SF. He doesn't have much resources. He's a talented musician, 
a supporter of Cynthia McKinney, and active in the 9/11 Truth 
movement. (Sadot is pronounced as Sa-doe)

Vic is a Green Party member known for his topical songs and also for 
his Cajun/Zydeco band called Planete Folle (Crazy Planet). He has 
just completed a one year VISTA assignment and is planning to visit 
an old friend from Delaware and his wife. They live in Templeton, CA.

Last September Vic met Cynthia McKinney at a local Delaware living 
room (Green Party) gathering when whe was traveling by car from Maine 
to Louisiana. Vic gave Cynthia a CD for her road trip, and he got the 
following endorsement not long after that.

Vic's resources are somewhat marginal. So Vic would welcome any help 
along the way, such as places to crash, places to play, introductions 
to musicians and activists who may need a singer-songwriter in the 
tradition of Woody Guthrie, Phil Ochs, and Bob Dylan. He's been 
giving away his political songs on the internet at places like 
MySpace and LastFM. Check them out! You can reach Vic at 
<mailto:frogjogger at aol.com>frogjogger at aol.com (or call him on his cell phone
302-607-1884).

Cynthia McKinney, former 6 term Congresswoman from Georgia, current 
Green Party Presidential candidate and a convenor of tribunals 
investigating 9/11 & criminal negligence in the response to Hurricane Katrina.

Vic Sadot's music produces in me a wide range of reactions from awe 
to action to tears. Cheney's in the Bunker produces awe because every 
line of that song is power-packed with information that most people 
don't know because it was omitted from the 9/11 Commission report. 
Ballad of William Rodriguez and Ballad of Pat Tillman give you so 
much information and make you want to act to find the truth about 
9/11 and reach out to Pat Tillman's parents for their tremendous loss 
and the Pentagon's lies about it.

Finally, The Kidnapping Coup, about the US-inspired kindapping of 
Haiti's President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, brings me to tears. On 
song after song, Sadot tells us too much of the sad, sad truth. Not 
only have I found in Vic a new friend who understands my passion for 
what is right, I've found someone who knows how to artistically 
communicate the critical issues of our day. I listen to Vic's songs 
every day, either while listening to them on CD, or while replaying 
them in my head.

Vic Sadot's Crazy Planet Band at MySpace offers free political songs 
in mp3 format: Cheney's in the Bunker, Ballad of William Rodriguez, 
Are You a Citizen or Are You a Slave, Mad Cowboy Disease, Ballad of 
Pat Tillman,
and Vic's tribute to Phil Ochs called Broadside Balladeer.
<http://www.myspace.com/vicsadotscrazyplanetband>http://www.myspace.com/vicsadotscrazyplanetband 


One reason Vic came to California is that he is one of the 30 plus 
featured songwriters on No Lies Radio,
based in San Francisco, the only station to broadcast Green Party 
Presidential contender debates and the 2008 Convention:
<http://www.noliesradio.org/>http://www.noliesradio.org

Vic Sadot Booking Kit at Sonicbids.com
<http://www.sonicbids.com/vicsadot>http://www.sonicbids.com/vicsadot

Vic is also a prolific essayist or blogger as we say these days. He 
has posted lyrics and discussions for numerous songs and topics at 
Last FM internet radio base in the UK:
<http://www.last.fm/music/vic+sadot>http://www.last.fm/music/vic+sadot

The official site of Vic Sadot Music Projects:
<http://www.vicsadot.com/>http://www.vicsadot.com

CD Baby has Vic's Broadsides & Retrospectives CD and they can be 
bought as single mp3's.
The Best of 25 Years of Vic Sadot Recordings: 19 original folk, rock, 
blues songs.
<http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/vicsadot2>http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/vicsadot2

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From eameece at california.com  Wed Oct  8 13:16:31 2008
From: eameece at california.com (Eric A Meece)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:16:31 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] propositions
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Have the state propositions been discussed here? Other measures and endorsements? Has the county party made any endorsements? Have the state endorsements been posted here?

I dunno, but sometimes I post my own comments. So, subject to change, here is what I think now. Comments welcome.

State propositions

Prop.1 Yes. I am inclined to support it because we need alternatives to airplanes and cars. How are we going to fuel our airplanes if oil becomes ever more expensive and we need to switch away from it? City to city high speed rail is not all we need, but everything helps, especially if Obama is not going to be as committed to ending fossil fuel use as we Greens might wish, as his statements in yesterday's debate indicate.
On the other hand, there are questions about whether the bond money will cover the costs, or if it might be spent without getting the job done.

Prop.2 YES. Mistreating farm animals is unacceptable. Thanks to whoever put this one on.

Prop.3 No. Our financial condition makes too many bond proposals a problem. It seems unnecessary; these institutions are not starved for funds.

Prop.4 No. This measure has been twice defeated. It makes unsafe abortions more likely among minors.

Prop.5 Yes. Treating drug-law offenders instead of putting them in jail is a good idea. It's worth paying for it.

Prop.6 NO. The legislature has too many mandates now. Police is not a higher priority than others. This prop. also increases life sentences for some gang-related crimes. Seems too harsh.

Prop.7 leaning no, but undecided. The main provision of this prop. is not what the ads say. It is a good idea to require publically owned power companies to get more power from renewable resources. The problem is the provision requiring that they buy power from companies with a capacity of 30 megawatts or more. See page 125 of the pamphlet. These companies say that hurts their competitive position. As far as I can tell, these small companies could still sell to private utilities. However, more utilities might become publically-owned, including SF. On balance, since the state Green Party and the NRDC are against it, as well as other green organizations, I am leaning no. But I think this one requires careful thought from Greens and green-inclined voters. The energy companies are also against this, and funding the excessive ads against it; and that gives one pause too. 

Prop.8 NO Equal rights for gay couples, please.

Prop.9 No. It sounds reasonable until you look deeper. I am troubled that defendants would not under this law have the right to require victims to testify before the trial, or provide other evidence or records needed by the defense. I am concerned that requiring ALL victims to receive restitution from ALL defendants is too harsh. I am concerned that local governments might not be able to release prisoners to avoid overcrowding. Families already have the right to testify at parole hearings, but this measure allows anyone and everyone who wants to, to testify. It also makes colleges "protected" from criminals as well as other schools. This could increase the burden on sex offenders according to the law recently passed which requires most of them to live outside cities. All in all, although I don't want criminals to get off easy, our state is already real tough on crime; tough enough, and our jails and our jail business are already too big, and this is very expensive too. This prop would increase that expense.

Prop.10 YES, by all means. The state needs to help people buy alternative vehicles, and needs to fund energy alternatives. We can't depend on Obama to do all of this, or Arnold either.

Prop.11 Yes. We ought to take away redistricting away from the politicians. It seems fair that representatives of neither party are included in the process as well as the Demoplicans. That would include Greens, I would think. I even voted for Arnold's proposal a few years ago; this one is better.

Prop.12 No. We have enough bonds to pay off already, and farm and home aid to veterans is not necessary. Everybody likes veterans; what about the rest of us who didn't fight America's mostly-unnecessary wars?

Local measures:

A yes. We need our hospitals to keep operating and to help replace our lost downtown San Jose hospital.

B leaning yes. I was originalloy leaning no. I know BART is big, and we need more support for local systems. But I also feel a part of the Bay Area. I voted against the last sales tax increase. This one is more reasonable, only 1/8. Public transit is important. Opposing comments welcome; I am amenable.

C and D Yes.

San Jose: J though M yes.


Political office endorsements:

President: Cynthia McKinney

Congress: Peter Myers

State Senate: Joe Simitian

Assembly: Jim Beall

Superior Court 8: Diane Ritchie


Thanks;
Eric Meece aka Eric the Green
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From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Oct  9 06:59:20 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:59:20 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Zenn
Message-ID: <48EE0E38.2060800@charter.net>

http://www.tczenncars.com/ZENN_history.html

Sounds like another good option as a Neighborhood Electric Vehicle (NEV).

Wes

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  9 16:22:22 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:22:22 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] An Energy-Saving Practice You Can Start Today
Message-ID: <BAY115-W6A55EA995E4B919A893789E3A0@phx.gbl>



Jaywalk the crosswalk.

Think what happens when you push the button and stop the cars.
3-ton cars moving 30 miles an hour must convert their kinetic energy
to heat, bringing them to a stop.  Then they must be accelerated
to 30 mph again.  

Leave the button alone.   Wait for a break in the traffic and cross 
without using the light.



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From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 10 09:49:06 2008
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:49:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Open the Debates Op-Ed at Berkeley
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Yesterday, a handful of student groups co-sponsored "The Great Debate" featuring representatives from the Cal Berkeley Democrats and the Berkeley College Republicans. When I found out about this event over two weeks ago, I immediately contacted the Students for Ralph Nader, Cal Libertarians, and Students for Ron Paul to collectively demand that the debate includes third parties. The debate co-sponsors denied our request but admired our "audacity" to ask in the first place. I found out last week that all four Executive Board members of our student government were upset that debate sponsors denied our request before consulting them (our student government also co-sponsored the event).

Two days ago, I received a call from The Daily Californian, which gets about 42,000 readers per day, about running an Op-Ed about third party exclusion from debates.

This morning, the following was published in the print and online versions of the Daily Cal.
http://www.dailycal.org/article/103020/open_the_debates_cease_the_exclusion

There are also articles in today's issue about the actual debate last night (http://www.dailycal.org/article/103038/students_create_their_own_presidential_debate) and our 7-week voter registration drive (http://www.dailycal.org/article/103033/uc_berkeley_vying_for_new_voters)



      
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Oct 10 11:12:15 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:12:15 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] My Letter to Senator Boxer
Message-ID: <A2CE7CD3-AE35-426D-BA75-2C5371764356@cagreens.org>

Here's what I told her in response to her request for funds for two  
new candidates for office in her email, "Nothing Personal."
Andi


-----------------

Dear Senator Boxer,

I have appreciated your occasional brave steps away from the DNC's  
"centrist" line which you have taken in favor of "the people," but it  
is becoming clearer to me that supporting Democrats&Republicans as  
representatives of my progressive needs is no longer viable after  
this latest horrific vote approving what has been called by some the  
"greatest financial heist of the century."  Approved by more  
Democrats than Republicans, this latest shocker follows a long list  
of betrayals of "the people" by both parties that began after 9/11.

I am more disappointed than I can say, because for years I longed for  
the election of more women to office, thinking that women would do  
the right thing for needy women and children, at the very least.  How  
wrong that conviction was, I now understand.

Our Democracy is so old and so flawed by the beginnings that  
tolerated slavery and the concept of a 3/5 value for a human being,  
that now we have little chance to fix our political system without an  
upheaval much greater than any we have seen in our all-too-short  
history.  Until we change our laws to admit all groups, however small  
in numbers, to vote and to run and to take part in the public  
discourse throughout all media, this country will never again reach  
the greatness our Forefathers&Mothers saw in their vision.

I weep for this country and for the loss of its mission, set forth  
with such hopes in the documents we no longer honor or obey.

With appreciation for your individual efforts,
Andrea Dorey

  


From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Oct 10 11:31:27 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:31:27 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Bailout Not Dead
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I heard some pretty severe trashing of Kucinich, Sanders, Krugman,  
and some of the black caucus who voted no, by a Sunday host on KPFA  
(!!), and again by Dennis Miller in his show in Las Vegas;  the  
latter added Dean, Packwood, and other so-called liberal-leaning  
politicians against the Iraq war, with a searing comedy commentary  
that Karl Rove would admire.

The media blitz is really getting intense.  Both the Daily Show and  
the Colbert Report are revealing some of the blistering attacks by  
McCain, but focusing mostly on "pit-bull Palin" who has escalated her  
rhetoric to the point that she's attracting negative feedback.   
Perhaps the two RP candidates are playing a political form of good  
cop, bad cop?

Andrea

On Sep 29, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:

>
> My reading of the news is that the MOB is not dead.
>
> (Nader uses MOB to stand for McCain/Obama/Bush and
> Mother Of all Bailouts.)
>
> The Democan / Republicrat leadership is just
> reassessing the situation and will try again.
>
> So stay alert.
>
> Expect more song and dance, smoke and mirrors.
>
> ...
>
> FWIW, it is my guess that if Washington does nothing
> about the economic crisis, the future will be grim.
> The reason I opposed this bailout is that I suspect
> that the future would be even more grim with this
> bailout.
>
> I don't know the right answer, but I would pay attention
> to Ralph Nader, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, and
> Paul Krugman, all of whom rejected Paulson's plan.
>
> And I would like to see the laws and regulatory agencies
> restored to where they were after all the depression era
> reforms were passed.  1936? 1940? 1944?
>
> Gerry
>
> _______________________________________________
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From cbrouillet at igc.org  Thu Oct  9 09:57:23 2008
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:57:23 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] =?iso-8859-1?q?Evolution_of_the_Apocalypse-_Emp?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ire=92s_Demise=ADHuman_Renaissance?=
Message-ID: <E1KnypD-0002mS-Ep@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Posted this 
at-  http://questioningwar-organizingresistance.blogspot.com/ with links.

Evolution of the Apocalypse
Empire?s Demise?Human Renaissance
by Carol Brouillet


Apocalypse 
(<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language>Greek: 
Apok?lypsis; "lifting of the veil") is a term 
applied to the disclosure to certain privileged 
persons of something hidden from the majority of 
humankind. Today the term is often used to refer 
to the 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_event>end 
of the world, which may be a shortening of the 
phrase apokalupsis eschaton, which literally 
means "revelation at the end of the ?on, or age.[1]"

      The unraveling of the US and global 
financial system should not be a surprise to 
anyone who has been paying attention, doubted the 
news headlines over the past decade, or plunged 
into an odyssey of self- and world-discovery by 
reading books, studying history, or seeking the 
truth behind the cultural myths that cocoon 
Americans into the notion that they live in the 
world?s beacon of democracy and freedom.  The 
most surprising factor is that people who have 
created the crisis think that they can continue 
the scam by stealing another $850,000,000,000 
overtly through the bailout, and even larger 
amounts covertly, to keep the game going for the 
world?s wealthiest people at the expense of everyone else.

      In the past, Egypt, Babylon, Persia, and 
Rome fell when a small percentage of the 
population controlled nearly all of the wealth. 
[2] Today, the rich have never been richer nor 
the poor poorer. The concentration of wealth has 
been achieved by conquest, as well as by one of 
the most powerful tools of empire?money.

      Debt-based monetary systems are the 
building blocks of empires, and generally empires 
collapse or topple when they have destroyed their 
ecological base.  The current global empire 
severely threatens the forests, the oceans, the 
climate, the fertility of the soil, the aquifers, 
the bees, and innumerable other species, including humanity.

There is a Cree prophecy that goes as follows[3]:

?When all the trees have been cut down, when all 
the animals have been hunted, when all the waters 
are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to 
breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money.?

      Caught up in the empire game, many have 
forgotten the difference between money and real 
wealth. Money is a human invention. It is not 
neutral. Who creates it, how it flows in a 
society, a nation, and the world is important and 
subject to change.  Money is an agreement that 
can be backed either by force or by a spirit of cooperation.[4]

      Bankers, like magicians, do not want to 
reveal their secrets. Able to create money out of 
thin air, they have learned that belief in the 
value of money is the key to their success. When 
people begin to doubt the purchasing power of 
money, banks fail and currencies collapse.

     The ?modern? fractional reserve banking 
system has evolved over centuries.[5] ?Mortgage? 
literally means ?death-gamble.? When mortgages 
were first introduced, those who risked their 
land to borrow money were literally risking the 
lives of their families, their liberty, and their 
hopes for the future.  Only gradually, over eons 
of time, did the idea of a ?mortgage? become more 
commonplace, acceptable, and even encouraged. 
Mortgages became attached to the ?dream of home 
ownership? and provided the liquid currency to fuel ?national economies.?

     The origins of paper money can be traced to 
receipts that goldsmiths provided to their 
customers, who would leave their gold with a 
goldsmith for safekeeping. Centuries ago 
goldsmiths began giving out receipts for the gold 
that they safeguarded, and people soon learned 
that the receipts were more useful for business 
transactions than heavy amounts of gold. Some 
enterprising goldsmith figured out that it was 
not necessary to maintain a supply of gold equal 
to all the receipts issued, because all the 
customers would never come to claim their gold at 
the same time. Because large amounts of gold 
weren't necessary to ensure the utility of 
receipts, the goldsmith was able to issue many 
times as many receipts as he had gold in his 
vault, and the fractional reserve system was 
born. Since goldsmiths began to loan gold and 
receipts at interest, the system of "debt money" 
was born in which customers had to pay back more 
money (receipts) than were in circulation?thus 
ensuring that the community as a whole would 
always be in debt to the goldsmith.

         When money is created by the banks and 
loaned to governments or business at interest, it 
is mathematically impossible to pay back all the 
money with interest. Not all debts can be repaid, 
so foreclosures occur. In this way wealth is 
continually transferred from the poor to the rich.

      Kings, queens, and nations have succumbed 
to the power of those who lend them money, 
finance their wars, pay their armed forces?and 
own the means of communication, which either 
provide rulers their aura of legitimacy or can 
just as easily demonize and dethrone them.

      Over a hundred years ago, the populist 
movement in the United States rose up in the wake 
of the collapse of agricultural prices that 
threatened farmers and enriched bankers.  The 
farmers pushed for monetary reform, including the 
demand that dollars be backed by silver rather 
than gold. The populists also argued that money 
should be created by the government for the 
benefit of the people, rather than by banks for the benefit of the bankers.

     In 1890 the German economist Silvio Gesell 
formulated a theory of money that was as 
revolutionary as the notion that the earth 
circles the sun, rather than the other way 
around?despite appearances. Gesell suggested 
securing the money flow by making money a 
governmental service subject to a use fee. 
Instead of paying interest to those who have more 
money than they need, people would pay a small 
fee if they kept money out of circulation. The 
fee would serve as income to the government and 
would reduce the amount of taxes needed to carry out public tasks.

Gesell's ideas were tested by the mayor of Worgl, 
Austria, in 1932 when economic conditions were 
deplorable. The mayor proposed to substitute a 
local currency for the national currency?which he 
called ?work certificates.? On the first of every 
month the holder had to affix a 1 percent stamp 
of the face value of the certificate. The "taxes" 
went into the community chest, to provide a 
relief fund for the invalids or elderly who were 
unable to work. Because of the stamp tax, taxes 
were paid quickly, accounts were settled without 
the usual delays, and even the bank became eager 
to loan out money, as fast as it received it.

         The mayor then embarked upon a public 
works program "to alleviate want, give work and 
bread," which exceeded his highest hopes. The 
conditions of the streets of Worgl had been a 
standing joke to the people in the surrounding 
countryside. In less than four months, sewers and 
improvements were completed. Later, other streets 
were paved, and even streets outside of Worgl 
were repaired. Prosperity blossomed throughout Worgl.

         Inspired by Worgl?s success, a meeting 
of 200 Austrian mayors decided unanimously to 
follow the Worgl example in their impoverished 
communities. At this point, fearful of losing its 
power, the private Austrian National Bank 
protested against the shattering of its 
money-making monopoly. After a legal fight, the 
Austrian Supreme Court sided with the bank, as 
might be expected. Although this experiment was 
abruptly terminated in Austria, the Worgl 
experience inspired three or four hundred scrips 
in circulation in the United States, Canada, and 
Mexico during the Great Depression.[6]

       If the Federal Reserve were actually a 
part of the US government, would the US 
government need to borrow money? Wouldn?t it be 
able to just print its own? In 1913 the Federal 
Reserve Act took away Congress?s Constitutional 
power of regulating the value of money and 
bequeathed it to private banks.[7]  Since then 
the financial plight of the US government has 
been dire and under pressure from the very rich, 
who choose which candidates and politicians will 
serve their interests and oust those who threaten them.

      In recent times there have been numerous 
communications revolutions, including radio, 
television, and the Internet, and social 
movements have also arisen.  At the same time 
there has also been the consolidation and 
expansion of corporate power served by new 
centers of supranational power, such as the World 
Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the 
World Trade Organization. Alex Carey said:

"The twentieth century has been characterized by 
three developments of great political importance: 
the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate 
power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as 
a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.''[8]

      During this time money and resources have 
flowed from poor countries to rich industrialized 
nations. The Structural Adjustment Programs 
forced upon nations by the World Bank and the IMF 
have meant shifting food production from domestic 
needs to export crops, devaluing  local currency 
to encourage exports, cutting social spending on 
health and education, reducing wages, privatizing 
national industries, selling off natural 
resources, and removing tariff protections for 
local industries. Hunger, unemployment, hardship 
and inequality are the direct and calculated 
results of these World Bank policies.

      The vertical integration of entire 
industries has taken place with the rise of giant 
transnational corporations whose economies are 
larger than that of many countries.

      At the end of World War II, when the 
Bretton Woods Agreements were signed, the dollar 
became the de facto ?world currency? and was 
backed by American gold reserves. In 1972, in the 
midst of the Vietnam War, when President Nixon 
detached the dollar from the gold standard, he 
detached the dollar from anything of real 
tangible value and basically allowed the currency 
rates of every nation to fluctuate in 
relationship to one another?s currencies.  The 
dollar was then backed by oil and American military might.

      In those days 98 percent of foreign 
exchange transactions had to do with the exchange 
of goods and services and only 2 percent were 
speculative. Today the vast majority of foreign 
exchange transactions have been speculative and 
less than 2 percent are for the exchange of real goods and services.

      Measurements have inherent limitations and 
biases. The family existed before money did. 
Villages grew out of interdependent relationships 
between families. As societies have grown more 
complex, hierarchies have developed and the 
"public family" or the state has created 
institutions that have taken over many of the 
functions once met within the household, such as 
educating children and caring for the sick. [9]

      In urban environments, basic living skills 
have been lost, people are more dependent than 
ever on the state or a monetized economy to meet 
their basic needs. In order to get slaves or 
labor to serve industries, people had to be 
forced away from the land where they once were able to sustain themselves.

      In the film ?Who's Counting? Marilyn Waring 
on Sex, Lies and Global Economics,? Marilyn 
unravels many of the problems in the global 
system. The IMF and the World Bank were created 
to maintain certain power relations and exercise 
control over the world's resources. The U.N. 
System of National Accounts was based upon a 
pamphlet entitled "How to Pay for the War." That 
system, imposed upon every country that joins the 
U.N., enables the global elite to finance their 
militaries, to engage in conflicts with other 
nations, and to build internal security forces to 
control populations who might not agree with the 
expropriation of their country's resources.

         The system assumes that the unpaid work 
of women?who are bearing children, raising them, 
feeding them, carrying for the sick and aged, and 
maintaining a home or garden?is of little or no 
importance. Nor does the system recognize the 
value of forests or the natural world unless they 
can be chopped down and sold or monetized in some 
way. Monetary transactions are measured, no 
matter how devastating their effects are on the 
environment. The arms industry is the most 
lucrative of all industries. It is in the 
economic interest of the major powers that there 
always be a war going on somewhere. This 
pathological system does not recognize the 
inherent value of life, peace, or the earth 
itself. It does not even notice anything of 
unquantifiable value; it only sees that which it measures?money.[10]

         Maximizing profits is the primary value 
in modern economics. The economic measure of 
monetary flow is directly related to the rape of 
the earth, the amount of exploitation occurring 
within a country, and how effectively the world's 
parasites are expropriating the labor of others and the natural world.

     Because the greatest profit can be made 
through war and drugs, the global economy is a 
war economy. While the importance of oil for both 
energy and military purposes is enormous, 
dwarfing the oil industry in monetary terms is 
the illegal trafficking in drugs. Laundered drug 
money in enormous quantities has always found its 
way into the large financial centers and into key industries.

In 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_law>criminal 
law, fraud is the 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime>crime or 
offense of deliberately 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception>deceiving 
another in order to damage them ? usually, to 
obtain property or services unjustly. 
<http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f079.htm>[1] 


Fraud for profit is often perpetrated by industry 
professionals. There are generally multiple loan 
transactions with several financial institutions 
involved. These frauds 
include  misrepresentations including the 
following: Income is overstated, assets are 
overstated, collateral is overstated, the length 
of employment is overstated (or fictitious 
employment is reported), and employment is 
backstopped by conspirators. The property value 
is inflated (faulty appraisal) to increase the 
sales value to make up for their being no down 
payment and to generate cash proceeds in fraud for profit.[11]

      In the 80s, Congress paved the way for the 
savings and loan scandal by loosening 
regulations, which cost taxpayers $160.1 billion. 
John McCain was one of the ?Keating Five? rebuked 
by the Senate Ethics Committee for exercising 
"poor judgment" for intervening with the federal 
regulators on behalf of Charles Keating, who was 
at the center of the scandal and convicted of 
fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy.

      The history of the stock market reveals a 
transition from investments in real companies 
producing tangible, measurable products and 
services toward ?financial instruments? of an 
increasingly speculative nature.  Electronic 
money, borrowed and loaned into existence, 
flowing through cyberspace, can wreak havoc and 
collapse entire nations? economies.  In the 90s 
the Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI) 
was devised to ensure the ability of speculators 
and multinational corporations to move capital in 
and out of countries without governmental 
involvement or public interest safeguards.[12] 
Recognizing the dangers of this agreement to the 
interests of people everywhere, civil society 
organized global resistance via the Internet to defeat the MAI.

     The 90s also witnessed major consolidation 
of the mass media, the frenzy of speculation in 
the high-tech industry, and the development and 
expansion of Internet commerce.  New technologies 
permitted local, national, and international 
communications and organizing to occur, which 
profoundly challenged the credibility and 
legitimacy of established governments, corporations, and the corporate press.

      Global resistance to corporate 
globalization broke through the mainstream media 
barrier in the US in 1999 in Seattle, Washington, 
when tens of thousands of protestors tried to 
peacefully shut down a World Trade Organization 
meeting. The first Indymedia.org website was 
created specifically for that protest to share 
information from the point of view of activists. 
Since then the Indymedia network has grown to 
span the globe?particularly in those cities where 
international protests have been organized, the 
main website is accessible in eight languages.

       Under President Clinton in 1999 and the 
leadership of Senator Phil Gramm (now co-chair of 
the McCain campaign), Congress repealed the 
Glass-Steagall Act which removed Depression-era 
laws separating banking, insurance, and brokerage 
activities and helped pave the way for the next 
wave of financial integration and fraud. In late 
2000 when Gramm chaired the Senate Banking 
Committee, he pushed through the Commodity 
Futures Modernization Act?which prohibited 
federal agencies from regulating financial 
products called credit default swaps, which have 
been used to back up the mortgage-based 
securities. The credit default swaps are the 
major reason for the 54 trillion dollar 
liabilities that are threatening financial 
institutions worldwide.[13] (After the 
legislation passed, the Swiss bank UBS purchased 
American institutions. UBS then hired Gramm as a 
lobbyist and paid him over $750,000. UBS alone 
issues over $18 billion in subprime mortgages.) [14]

      Throughout history there has been a 
struggle in all societies between a ruling class 
and the many who are not so privileged.  Toynbee 
noted that the world struggle takes place between 
a few vested interests and social justice.  There 
has always been a struggle between tyrants and 
ordinary people, where the people have made some 
gains and have also had setbacks.

    Social movements are born when public myths 
are shattered, societal secrets are revealed, and 
people realize that powerholders are acting in 
violation of deeply held values. In the current 
era, the Internet has allowed for the 
increasingly rapid transmission of information 
challenging powerholders, institutions, and cultural myths.

      Social movements are collective actions 
that alert, educate, and mobilize the public to 
redress social problems or grievances. With all 
the problems confronting humanity there are 
innumerable social movements, which have evolved 
and learned from one another.  At times they have 
come together in increasingly powerful 
coalitions. Professor and author Anthony Hall has 
called them ?the fourth world,?[15] and others 
refer to them as the ?anti-corporate 
globalization movement? or the ?global justice movement.?

       In January of 2001 while the World 
Economic Forum was meeting in Switzerland, 
thousands of people from hundreds of countries 
met at the first World Social Forum in Porto 
Allegre, Brazil, a convergence of social 
movements. Their points of agreement included 
opposition to the policies of the IMF, World 
Bank, and WTO; opposition to militarism, 
corporate globalization, and environmental 
destruction; and support for public participation 
in decision-making processes, and for the respect 
for people and life over profits. Social 
movements are an evolutionary force that pushes 
people to live up to their ideals and values and 
enables people to exercise their collective power.

       When people believe that power flows 
downward from those at the top of institutions 
towards the helpless at the bottom of the 
pyramid, tyranny rules. Most people believe in 
this model. Under this model, change can be 
achieved only by appealing to elites, using 
persuasion. However, when people discover their 
own power and belief in democracy?that government 
should be ?of, by, and for the people??power 
flows from them through institutions to 
powerholders and public servants. True democratic 
power comes from the bottom, results in social 
progress, and powerholders and policies are 
changed to meet popular social demands.[16]

     The strategy of the powerholders is not to 
broadcast the truth about their beliefs, actions, 
policies, and programs. They know who benefits 
from the unfair distribution of benefits and 
costs within the existing system. They must keep 
their actual policies hidden from the public, 
because they rightly fear that the majority would 
rebel if they knew the truth.  Powerholders 
habitually use myths, slogans, and rhetoric to 
sell their policies and programs to the public.

      One of the great American myths that is 
promulgated by powerholders is the idea that we 
have a watchdog press. Over 3,000 people attended 
the last two National Conferences on Media 
Reform, primarily because of their deep concern 
about the failure of the traditional media. Lord 
Northcliffe said, ?News is something that someone 
wants suppressed; all the rest is advertising.?

      Colossal crimes have been committed and 
then masked by the media for centuries. But the 
larger pattern in this era of 
information?including names, dates, evidence, and 
various kinds of documentation?is coming to light 
at a staggering rate, beyond the capacity of any 
one individual to absorb, read, process, and 
disseminate all the details.  In turn the 
information is gradually reaching the most 
heavily propagandized target audience?the 
American public, who are increasingly losing 
faith in their government, the war, the Congress, and the financial system.

           As Aung San Suu Kyi wrote, "It is not 
power that corrupts, but fear?fear of losing 
power and fear of the scourge of those who wield it."

      Fear, war, and terror are routinely used to 
shut down rational thinking processes?a tactic 
that Naomi Klein outlines in her book The Shock 
Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism[17] (as 
well as in the video[18]).  Klein fails to 
recognize, however, that 9/11 was designed to 
terrorize Americans and the world into going 
along with the bogus ?War on Terror,? to forget 
about the missing $2.3 trillion on the Department 
of Defense books[19], the stolen election[20], 
the evidence destroyed in the Securities and 
Exchange Commission?s offices in World Trade 
Center 7,[21]  to not even notice the massive 
insider trading,[22] and then  to permit a giant 
escalation in the military budget and the 
construction of the surveillance industry. The 
plunge in the stock market and the ?apparent 
attack? on America?s financial center also 
prompted the Fed to lower interest rates, which 
helped the housing market?and Bush encouraged folks to ?go shopping.?

      The best historical parallel to 9/11 would 
be the Reichstag fire, which Hitler used to 
vilify and target ?communists? and pass the 
Enabling Act (similar to the PATRIOT Act), before 
launching wars of aggression. The PATRIOT Act was 
mirrored by legislation passed in Canada, 
Australia, and the UK, severely eroding civil 
rights and granting more power to governments to 
chill dissent?to monitor and crack down on those they considered a threat.

      With the bust of the dot com bubble, 
speculative money went into real estate, housing, 
and derivatives[23]. Congress and the Bush 
administration changed laws and regulations to 
lure people into borrowing money, purchasing 
homes, and investing their savings in the 21st 
century Ponzi schemes. Elliot Spitzer was 
vilified by the press the day before he wrote an 
article naming Bush as the "Predator Lenders' Partner in Crime," saying

     ?In 2003, during the height of the predatory 
lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 
1863 National Bank Act pre-empting all state 
predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them 
inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules 
that prevented states from enforcing any of their 
own consumer protection laws against national banks. 


      "Not only did the Bush administration do 
nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an 
aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent 
states from protecting their residents from the 
very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye."[24]

      Close scrutiny of powerholders running the 
government, institutions, and corporations 
reveals conflicting loyalties and economic 
interests.  Legislators in fact represent the 
millionaires and billionaires who fund them and 
who continually rewrite the rules in their own 
favor and have decided that the Constitution is obsolete.

     The unfolding financial crisis has been 
arriving in wave after destructive wave.  People 
have lost their homes, their jobs, their savings, 
their health, their marriages, their kids, and finally their hope.

      The housing bubble began to burst when home 
prices in the US began to decline in March and 
April of 2007.  The IMF warned of risks to global 
financial markets.  Bear Stearns was in trouble 
in June 2007 because of its mortgage-backed 
securities.  In the summer of 2007 German banks 
were in trouble and foreclosures in the US almost 
doubled. In September 2007 there was a run on 
Northern Rock, which the British government 
nationalized, and the Fed began to drop interest 
rates to help the housing market. In January 
2008, UBS reported $18 billion in write-downs due 
to US real estate exposure.  In February, Fannie 
Mae reported a $3.55 billion loss. [25]

      In March, however, the Federal Reserve and 
the Treasury Department directed money towards 
the 85-year-old investment bank Bear Stearns, via 
JP Morgan[26] and $200 billion went to prop up 
Fannie Mae. By April the IMF projected $945 
billion in losses. In June housing possessions 
doubled again, and the FBI announced the arrest 
of over 400 people charged with mortgage fraud, 
including two senior managers of the failed Bear 
Stearns Hedge Funds.[27] In July Congress passed 
the Foreclosures Prevention Act, which was a $33 
billion hand-out to those who helped create the 
problem, according to a report by the Laborers' 
International Union of North America. Under the 
bill's little-publicized "carry-back" provision, 
builders would get billions in tax breaks and the 
15 largest corporate homebuilders, who made $16 
billion in profits on $100 billion in revenues, 
would receive a third of the benefits.[28]

      In September 2008, the Fed, in an 
unprecedented move, lent $85 billion to the 
American International Group (AIG), the nation?s 
largest insurance company, which also handled 
credit default swaps and suffered losses from its 
subprime mortgage-backed securities holdings.[29] 
Then Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy, and 
Bank of America devoured Merrill Lynch.  Soon 
there was a run on money market funds, and short 
selling of financial stocks was suspended 
globally. Bush made a speech acknowledging that 
there was a serious crisis, and backed Paulson?s bailout plea.

         There were only a few voices in Congress 
that dared to challenge the current bailout of 
the speculators so intimately involved in created 
the current financial crisis. Anyone could look 
up Henry Paulson on the internet to discover his 
ties to Goldman Sachs, but these ties were not 
emphasized in the mainstream media.  According to Wikipedia notes:

      ?Paulson was Staff Assistant to the 
Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon 
from 1970 to 1972
 He joined Goldman Sachs in 
1974
 He became a partner in 1982. From 1983 
until 1988, Paulson led the Investment Banking 
group for the Midwest Region, and became managing 
partner of the Chicago office in 1988. From 1990 
to November 1994, he was co-head of Investment 
Banking, then, Chief Operating Officer from 
December 1994 to June 1998; eventually succeeding 
Jon Corzine (now Governor of New Jersey) as its 
chief executive. His compensation package, 
according to reports, was US$37 million in 2005, 
and US$16.4 million projected for 2006. His net 
worth has been estimated at over US$700 million. 
Paulson has personally built close relations with 
China during his career. In July 2008 it was 
reported by The Daily Telegraph that: "Treasury 
Secretary Hank Paulson has intimate relations 
with the Chinese elite, dating from his days at 
Goldman Sachs when he visited the country more than 70 times. 


      ?There is increasing evidence that Paulson 
was influential with two U.S. Securities and 
Exchange Commission Chairmen, William H. 
Donaldson and Christopher Cox, in receiving 
restraint in the Commission's exercise of 
oversight requirements. In 2004
the Commission 
agreed unanimously to release the major 
investment houses from the net capital rule, the 
requirement that their brokerages hold reserve 
capital that limited their leverage and risk 
exposure. The complaint that was put forth by the 
investment banks was of increasingly onerous 
regulatory requirements?in this case, not U.S. 
regulator oversight, but European Union 
regulation of the foreign operations of US 
investment groups. In the immediate lead-up to 
the decision, EU regulators also acceded to US 
pressure, and agreed not to scrutinize foreign 
firms' reserve holdings if the SEC agreed to do 
so instead. The 1999 Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, 
however, put the parent holding company of each 
of the big American brokerages beyond SEC 
oversight. In order for the agreement to go 
ahead, the investment banks lobbied for a 
decision that would allow "voluntary" inspection 
of their parent and subsidiary holdings by the SEC.

      ?During this repeal of the net capital 
rule, SEC Chairman Donaldson agreed to the 
establishment of a risk management office that 
would monitor signs of future problems. This 
office was eventually dismantled by Chairman Cox, 
after discussions with Paulson. According to the 
New York Times, ?While other financial regulatory 
agencies criticized a blueprint by Mr. Paulson, 
the [new] Treasury secretary, that proposed to 
reduce their stature ? and that of the S.E.C. ? 
Mr. Cox did not challenge the plan, leaving it to 
three former Democratic and Republican commission 
chairmen to complain that the blueprint would 
neuter the agency.? Only in late September 2008, 
Chairman Cox and the other Commissioners agreed 
to end the 2004 program of voluntary regulation.?

      With the unregulated credit default swaps 
posing enormous liabilities to the financial 
institutions  that dwarf the global economy, 
Paulson?s allegiances to Goldman Sachs and AIG 
will help determine which institutions will 
fail?or escape, survive, and profit?in the current turmoil.[30]

      Henry Paulson asked for and received over 
$700 billion in taxpayer money with little or no 
oversight as to who will actually get the money. 
It is clear that it won?t be going to Main 
Street, and it is more than likely to go to 
Paulson?s Wall Street and foreign friends.

       Ohio Representative Marcy Kaptur spoke out 
bravely against the bill, explaining precisely 
how it was being rushed through Congress[31], and 
Dennis Kucinich condemned it as well. Their token 
resistance was swept aside, even as 
Representative Brad Sherman pointed out the fear 
mongering and panic pressure placed on Congress 
to push it through.[32]  The fear that was 
generated by insiders and the media, as well as 
some token pork, helped to get the bill passed on 
Friday, October 3, 2008. Democrats, Republicans, 
and both presidential hopefuls were behind the bailout.

     Amongst Obama?s advisers are Franklin 
Raines, who was a chairman and chief executive 
officer at Fannie Mae; and Tim Howard, who was 
the chief financial officer of Fannie Mae; and 
Jim Johnson, who was an executive at Lehman 
Brothers and later forced from his position as 
Fannie Mae CEO.  Howard was forced to retire when 
auditing discovered severe irregularities in 
Fannie Mae's accounting activities. The books ran 
afoul of generally accepted accounting principles 
for four years, and Fannie Mae had to reduce its 
surplus by $9 billion. The Government filed suit 
against Raines and Howard when the scandal became 
clear[33]. The court ordered Raines to return $50 
million he received in bonuses based on the 
misstated Fannie Mae profits.  The government 
investigation determined that "Chief Financial 
Officer Tim Howard failed to provide adequate 
oversight to key control and reporting functions 
within Fannie Mae." Raines and Howard resigned 
under pressure in late 2004. Howard's golden 
parachute was estimated at $20 million.  Raines 
left with a "golden parachute valued at $240 
million in benefits. A look at the Office of 
Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's May 2006 
report on mismanagement and corruption inside 
Fannie Mae reveals that Fannie Mae had hidden a 
substantial amount of Johnson's 1998 compensation 
from the public, reporting that it was between $6 
million and $7 million when it fact it was $21 
million."   Johnson is currently under 
investigation for taking illegal loans from 
Countrywide while serving as CEO of Fannie 
Mae.  Johnson's Golden Parachute was estimated at $28 Million.[34]

          Any close scrutiny of  the financial 
ties of major politicians?particularly those in 
office such as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pelosi, 
and Feinstein?reveal major conflicts of interest 
between the politicians and the military, oil, 
and pharmaceutical industries. At the highest 
levels, however, there is no accountability. Laws 
are meaningless to these people. They have the 
power and influence to pass murderous legislation 
that enriches and empowers them and their cronies 
and threatens and impoverishes the rest of us, 
all of this veiled by a subservient corporate 
press that bestows upon them an aura of 
legitimacy. Within government agencies there is 
corruption, fraud, and the persecution?rather 
than protection?of whistle-blowers.

      When Congress voted $87 billion to occupy 
Afghanistan and Iraq, some of that money was 
earmarked to suppress dissent in the US. In 2003, 
thousands of protestors gathered in Miami to 
oppose the negotiations of the Free Trade Area of 
the Americas. Pre-emptive arrests, violent 
violation of civil rights, brutal treatment of 
innocent medics, and criminalization of dissent 
became known as ?the Miami model.?  The 
militarization of the police and Homeland 
Security?s targeting of anti-war and peace 
activists have continued and expanded since 
then?as seen most recently in the protests at the 
Democratic and Republican Conventions where even 
the regular press was arrested, and organizers 
were arrested and charged with ?terrorism.?

      There is a battle going on?a clash of 
worldviews over what is true, legal, and moral; 
over who is a terrorist, and who is serving 
humanity; over who has the right to live, and who 
has the right or duty to jail, kill, or torture 
anyone. Every individual will have to decide for 
themselves what is true and what is 
legitimate?what is best for themselves, their 
families, their country, and the whole planet.

       The strategy of all social movements is to 
convince the public that a problem exists and 
that policies must be changed, and to exercise 
the people power that resides within themselves 
into a force that finds solutions to commonly recognized problems.

      The perpetrators of 9-11 had a different 
strategy. Their strategy was to terrify the 
American people into silence and submission, then 
bully the Congress into nearly unlimited funding 
for war and a greatly expanded surveillance 
industry (the anthrax attacks came at a 
convenient time for this).  The perpetrators of 
9/11used a BIG LIE to sell a ?bogus protection 
racket? to their victims?to institutionalize 
under the guise of ?National/Homeland Security? a 
greater concentration of wealth and power into 
fewer hands. Their tools were violence, fear, 
criminal fraud, manipulating the financial 
markets, and selling it all to the American 
people through the megaphone of the mainstream media.

      Cheney, like Napoleon, believes that you 
don?t have to suppress a truth?just delay it 
until it no longer matters. There are a growing 
number of people who are challenging the lies, 
especially through the Internet.  It is apparent 
that those in power are very much afraid of the 
Internet, of people?s ability to share 
information and communicate so that they can 
organize in unprecedented ways using emerging 
technologies, or simply gather together in a 
public space where free speech is still possible.

      The deeply held values, symbols, beliefs, 
sensibilities and traditions that are important 
to the public are being violated today by the 
power elite. The majority of people are against 
the war, torture, and the bailout of Wall Street. 
Those in power depend on the public to be stupid, 
uninformed, disengaged, apathetic, cynical, 
powerless, and silent. Social movements are 
dependent on empowered, engaged, informed people 
at every level of society to uphold the values 
and principles that are being violated by 
powerholders and their policies. Will the 
American people continue to wake up and begin to 
exercise more control over the US government to force changes in policy?

      A major cause of social problems is the 
concentration of political, economic, and 
military power in the hands of relatively few 
people.  An informed, empowered, and politicized 
population is required to resolve today?s 
problems and to establish a just, peaceful, 
sustainable world for all. Political and economic 
power ultimately rests with the majority 
population; rulers can only rule with the consent 
and acquiescence of the people. Where people put 
their time, energy, and money has a greater 
impact on society and the world than who they 
vote for.  Elections have been stolen for 
decades; only an awakened citizenry can oversee and ensure honest elections.

    The most important issue is the age-old 
struggle between the majority of people and the 
individual and institutional powerholders to 
determine whether society will be based on the 
authoritarian model?where power flows from the 
top down?or the ?people power? model of genuine participatory democracy.

Kevin Barrett expressed the following in a talk 
entitled ?A Folklorist Looks at 9/11 ?Conspiracy 
Theories?? (folk meaning ?the people,? as opposed 
to the ?rulers and the press? who in the past 
have authoritatively defined ?event/reality?):

      ?Marshall McLuhan?s famous line ?the medium 
is the message? could describe the way the 9/11 
Truth movement is an artifact of the Internet, 
and the radically-enhanced folk-communications it 
has brought. Thanks to digital audiovisuals, 
email and the world-wide web, the folk are now a 
leg up on their would-be manipulators, those 
well-paid professionals in corporate media, 
public relations, marketing, and psychological 
warfare or psy-ops, whose collective job is to 
reify and manipulate their fellow human beings.

      ?It is one thing for the content of 
informal, non-institutional, ?folk? communication 
to subvert institutional authority. It is another 
and more significant thing for the very medium of 
folk communication to radically shift in a way 
that empowers the folk and disempowers the 
institutions. And that is what has happened. The 
world has been turned upside-down as the old 
oral-transmission grapevine has gone digital


     ?Today?s digitally-enhanced subversives and 
skeptics can spread large numbers of copies of 
audio, video and photographic evidence, along 
with an unlimited amount of writing, for pennies. 
This digital awakening may turn out to be our 
second post-Gutenberg revolution in half a 
century. Its importance may rival the emergence 
of writing, which created hierarchical societies 
of kings, priests and scribes; with the invention 
of the printing press, which created the kind of 
mass-literate societies we call ?democratic?; and 
with the invention of television, which McLuhan 
suggests created a global village of creeping 
Orwellian fascism. 9/11, in this view, was the 
last gasp of television as a means of 
mind-control via mass hypnosis, while the 9/11 
Truth controversies may represent the birth pangs 
of the new, digitally-enhanced democracy.?

     It is sobering to know that if the world?s 
population was reduced to 100 representatives, 
only 1 would have a computer, or have attended 
college, and he would have more wealth than all 
the others and be from the United States. While 
70 percent of American homes may have access to 
the Internet, they are not representative of the 
world. However, an enlightened American people 
would be a grave danger to the advancement of the 
American Empire. We are uniquely responsible and 
able to thwart or advance the aspirations of the 
US oligarchy. We are also directly under attack 
by that oligarchy, who view us as a threat and 
are trying to criminalize dissent.

      The financial crisis that faces America and 
the world today was as orchestrated as the events 
of  9/11. Similar to what transpired after 9/11, 
it is likely that the financial crisis will be 
used to further concentrate wealth and power, 
crush dissent, criminalize larger and larger 
numbers of people, trash civil liberties, and 
generally replace the ?rule of law? with the ?rule of fear.?

      There is another possibility, however, 
which we the people can promote. We can join 
together to speak up, organize, and challenge the 
lies, crimes, and illegitimacy of the 
powerholders and corporations that threaten the 
well-being of the people of the world. We can 
create and nurture new organizations to fulfill 
real needs and aspirations. This is already 
taking place and can be seen in the rise of 
nonprofit organizations over the past decade. 
Ignored by the corporate media, Ron Paul, Cynthia 
McKinney, and Ralph Nader have raised key issues 
that the corporate-anointed candidates won?t 
discuss. The public must search the Internet for 
the statements of these courageous challengers to 
the oligarchy, because their views are ignored, 
marginalized, or dismissed in the corporate 
press?but they nonetheless provide a rallying cry 
for people looking for true change. At a recent 
press conference, the third-party candidates 
clearly represented majority opinions and 
interests, far better than McCain or Obama.[35]

      Repression, reform, revolution or renaissance?

     When revolutions occur simultaneously in 
many different areas, the transformation of 
society can be called a renaissance.  We are 
witnessing changes happening at a rapid pace in a 
multitude of areas, and few can begin to keep up 
with the new technologies and research.  As 
traditional power structures are threatened, new 
possibilities and synergies are emerging.  If the 
traditional banking system or the dollar 
collapses, money will be reinvented at the local, 
regional, national, and probably international levels.

      Mike Nickerson, author of Life, Money, & 
Illusion: Living on Earth as If We Want to Stay, wrote:

      ?An alternative to panicking when GDP stops 
growing is to view it as a sign of maturity. 
Human activity cannot expand forever on our 
finite planet. Fuel prices, climate change and 
the sub-prime mortgage crisis are all symptoms of 
one cause. When we stopped growing as 
individuals, it was not the end of the world. 
Indeed, for most of us, life had scarcely begun 
before physical maturity. Even as physical growth 
ended, we became better informed, more 
comfortable in ourselves and we developed the 
skills and relationships that define our lives. 
The same can be true for civilization.?[36]

     The convergence of various crises?including 
the financial system, peak oil, climate change, 
population growth, resource depletion, and mass 
extinctions?is forcing humanity to collectively 
recognize its limits and mature as a species, simply to survive.[37]

      In order to behave maturely, wisely, and 
responsibly?and to make wise rational 
decisions?people need to know what is true, what is real.

      Mike Nickerson has been championing the 
Genuine Progress Index to provide more accurate 
information about how people are affecting the 
planet and one another. If economic indicators 
were aligned with universal values such as life, 
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, economists 
would ignore the marketplace and concern 
themselves with the health and well-being of the 
environment, the health and well-being of every 
person, and whether the basic human needs for 
food, water, shelter, clothing, and education were being met.

      One of the heftiest charges against members 
of the Bush Administration is their attack upon 
science.[38]  There is ample evidence that they 
have ordered agencies to be silent about their 
findings, or to fudge data to suit political 
purposes and shape public opinion.  Only Bush 
science, as exemplified in the NIST report, could 
explain the collapse of all three World Trade 
Center buildings at free-fall speed as due to 
fire alone. Hundreds of independent scientists, 
architects, and engineers have rejected the 
conclusions of the NIST report. The scientific 
evidence indicates that two planes could not have 
shredded three steel-framed buildings, but that 
controlled demolition does explain their rapid disintegration.

       It is increasingly challenging to evaluate 
scientific studies without knowing who has funded 
them, and for what particular 
purpose.  Researchers whose findings challenge 
government or corporate objectives are vilified 
and lose their funding.  Citizen-supported 
scientific research and data collection whose 
intention and purpose is clearly in the interests 
of the health and well-being of people and their 
environment?whose data can be shared, checked, 
verified, and corroborated by others in a 
transparent manner?will ultimately gain the widest acceptance.

      Satyagraha, or ?the force of truth,? 
pioneered by Gandhi, has inspired the social 
movements of today.  According to Schopenhauer, 
?All truth passes through three stages. First, it 
is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. 
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.?[39]

      The individual and human journey also 
passes through stages. As proposed by Abraham 
Maslow in his classic study Toward a Psychology 
of Being, healthy people outgrow the 
self-centered need for material acquisition and 
find greater joy and purpose in more expansive 
activities?such as developing friendships, being 
of service to others, expressing creativity, and 
joining together with others to solve problems. 
The deliberate infantilization of the public and 
the manipulation of the public mind has 
contributed to the current crisis in values, 
where people seem to be concerned only for 
themselves and are cynical about what is 
happening in the world. The cure lies in the 
maturation of our species.  The times that we 
live in are calling to us to grow up, 
individually and collectively. We need to develop 
a greater understanding of ourselves and our 
world, to develop our talents and skills to make 
this a better world. Despite the dangers and 
challenges of the time we live in, we can find 
meaning and joy through joining together in the 
search for truth, peace, justice, and, freedom. 
As Gandhi and others have demonstrated, the 
truth, combined with love and compassion, will 
set us free. As we work together to pursue the 
truth and expand our awareness, we are lifting 
the veil and awakening from a media-induced 
trance so that we can more clearly see how we 
have allowed our power to be taken from us. This 
knowledge will empower us to reform the outmoded 
structures that are so oppressive and to create 
new systems that truly serve the needs of the 
people and the planet for current and future generations.



















[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse
[2] Debt Virus: A Compelling Solution to the 
World's Debt Problems, 1995 by Jacques S. Jaikaran
[3] http://www.unahi.org/quotes/native-american-quotes.htm
[4] Bernard Lietaer, ex-central banker, author of  The Future of Money:
Creating New Wealth, Work, and a Wiser World, 
2001, http://www.transaction.net/money/bio/lietaer.html
[5] Money as Debt, Paul Grignon's video 
production, available at 
<http://www.moneyasdebt.net/>http://www.moneyasdebt.net/ 
and viewable online at http://tiny.cc/z30uD
[6] Interest and Inflation Free Money, 1995 by 
Margrit Kennedy, http://tiny.cc/FQtb3
[7] Secrets of the Federal Reserve, by Eustace 
Mullins, http://www.whale.to/b/mullins5.html
[8] How Corporations Destroyed US Democracy by Propaganda, http://tiny.cc/UCT9Q
[9] Hilkka Pietila, The triangle of the human 
economy: household - cultivation - industrial 
production, http://www.kasakobiet.ngo.org.pl/teksty/hilkka_pietila_eng.html
[10] Whose Counting? Marilyn Waring on Sex, Lies 
and Global Economics, http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/whoo.html
[11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud
[12] http://www.citizen.org/trade/issues/mai/
[13] http://www.fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?p=608
[14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Gramm
[15] http://mqup.mcgill.ca/book.php?bookid=1628
[16] Doing Democracy: The MAP Model for 
Organising Social Movements, by Bill Moyer,  http://tiny.cc/KB6W9
[17] http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
[18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kieyjfZDUIc
[19] http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
[20] http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=248
[21] http://www.wtc7.net/articles/kimball/thirdskyscraper.html
[22] http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
[23] http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8634
[24] http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8376
[25] http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3689713,00.html
[26] http://tiny.cc/dYeSJ
[27] http://www.fbi.gov/page2/june08/malicious_mortgage061908.html
[28] http://tiny.cc/1dQZI
[29] http://tiny.cc/0WX1c
[30] 
<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/business/27charts.html>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/business/27charts.html, 

http://www.crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/60-minutes-wall-streets-shadow-market
[31] <http://tiny.cc/kRIcq>http://tiny.cc/kRIcq
[32] 
http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/h-r-1424-brad-sherman-one-minute-speech/11766853/
[33] http://housingdoom.com/2006/12/18/fannie-charges/
[34] http://tiny.cc/E3K4h
[35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LMoWqXrE4
[36] http://www.shanejolley.com/2008/09/05/silver-lining-economic-downturn
[37] http://www.chrismartenson.com/peak-oil-b
[38] http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/02/62339

[39] Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Oct 10 13:08:54 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] An Energy-Saving Practice You Can Start Today
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-W6A55EA995E4B919A893789E3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-W6A55EA995E4B919A893789E3A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <48EFB656.4070206@aceweb.com>

That's a good one! Bound to save at least a thimble full of gas
every time you prevent a car from stopping.

Brian Good wrote:
> 
> Jaywalk the crosswalk.
> 
> Think what happens when you push the button and stop the cars.
> 3-ton cars moving 30 miles an hour must convert their kinetic energy
> to heat, bringing them to a stop.  Then they must be accelerated
> to 30 mph again. 
> 
> Leave the button alone.   Wait for a break in the traffic and cross
> without using the light.
> 
> 
> 
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> See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on 
> the go. See Now 
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Tian
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I still have about 132 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
Yesterday I mailed a sticker to Detroit, Michigan.


From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Oct 10 13:46:22 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:46:22 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] McKinney Lawn Signs
Message-ID: <48EFBF1E.3090208@aceweb.com>

Anybody know of good places to put them up that don't already have one?

I still have a couple looking for homes...
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I still have about 132 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
October's First Friday in San Jose: I showed Melanie an Alaska quarter.


From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Oct 12 09:26:39 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:26:39 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Zenn
In-Reply-To: <48EE0E38.2060800@charter.net>
References: <48EE0E38.2060800@charter.net>
Message-ID: <C38BC818-3AC8-4378-BADB-643E0E675BAC@cagreens.org>

Wes, I think it's great that a lot of companies are doing this.

But what I want to see is an affordable Tesla Roadster, Tango, an  
improved EV-1, more wonderful Toyota RAV 4s (still being driven  
today), and other cars like those that can go on the FREEWAY to get  
people to work on time!!!

It can be done and it is being done in other countries where a  
corporate blacklist doesn't keep the electric car "off the table."
Andi

On Oct 9, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:

> http://www.tczenncars.com/ZENN_history.html
>
> Sounds like another good option as a Neighborhood Electric Vehicle  
> (NEV).
>
> Wes
>
> -- 
> "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you  
> don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente
>
> Wes Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024
>
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From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Oct 12 09:16:02 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:16:02 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to
	your message
References: <153001c92aec$cc77edf0$3d0a219c@senate.ussenate.us>
Message-ID: <F112671C-F3E6-45D7-8D9D-458A063964DA@cagreens.org>

A response to my message from DiFi?????
Curious.  I thought I wrote to Senator Boxer.
I wonder how DiFi got into this loop.  Hmmmmm.
Andi

Begin forwarded message:

> From: <senator at feinstein.senate.gov>
> Date: October 10, 2008 8:28:08 AM PDT
> To: <andid at cagreens.org>
> Subject: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message
>
>
> Dear Ms. Dorey:
>
>            Thank you for your letter expressing concern about  
> Congress' recent consideration of a plan to meet our Nation's  
> credit crisis with financial help from the Federal Government.
>
>            This is a difficult situation for which there are no  
> perfect solutions, and I would like to share my thoughts and  
> concerns with you. Please find attached two statements that I have  
> given on the Senate floor detailing my reasons for supporting the  
> Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Public Law 110-343),  
> which the President signed into law on October 3, 2008.
>
>            Once again, thank you for writing.  If you have any  
> additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact  
> myWashington, D.C. office at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.
>
> Statement of U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein
> In Support of the Economic Rescue Package
> October 1, 2008
>
>            "Mr. President, I rise today to support the bipartisan  
> economic rescue legislation.
>
>            It has been said that Senators have six-year terms for a  
> reason. And that reason is to be able to take tough votes because  
> it's right for the nation, and take tough votes when at times they  
> may be adverse to the beliefs of your constituency.
>
>            This today is indeed a tough vote.
>
>            I want to thank the Banking Committee, particularly its  
> chairman, Chris Dodd, and members on both sides of the aisle for  
> their work on this.
>
>            So let me quickly begin.
>
>            This bill is not the bill that was put forward by  
> Secretary Paulson on September 20th. His bill was essentially a non- 
> starter - startling in its unbridled allocation of power to one  
> man: the Secretary of Treasury whom we know now, and to a Secretary  
> of Treasury after January whom we do not know.
>
>            It placed this man above the law, above administrative  
> oversight and above Congressional action and essentially gave him  
> $700 billion to do with what he thought best.
>
>            This bill didn't fly with virtually anyone who looked at  
> it, particularly constituents, who have called in the tens of  
> thousands all across this land.
>
>            My office has received over 91,000 calls and emails with  
> over 86,000 opposed. The bill before us is not Paulson's three-page  
> proposal. Rather, it is a bipartisan effort that adds oversight,  
> accountability, assistance to homeowners, executive compensation  
> limits and other measures to protect taxpayers.
>            But there still is a lot of misinformation on this bill.
>
>            This is not a $700 billion gift for Wall Street.
>
>            Rather, the federal government will buy equity in  
> certain assets - both good and bad - to pump liquidity into the  
> marketplace and unfreeze credit which is increasingly freezing and  
> unavailable.
>
>            Over time, these assets will be sold and the federal  
> government will be the first paid back on the investment.
>
>            The belief is that by doing this the federal government  
> will clear much of the bad debt on the books of certain strategic  
> financial institutions, restoring stability, adding liquidity and  
> unfreezing credit.
>
>            Recently, we have seen major U.S. institutions fail:
>
> Bear Stearns
> Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
> Lehman Brothers
> Merrill Lynch
> AIG
>
> And, two retail banks - not investment banks:
> Washington Mutual, and Wachovia
>
>            If we do nothing, more institutions will fail.
>
>            Now, you may say: what does this mean to me? I work  
> hard, I pay my bills, I pay cash.
>
>            Here's what it will mean to you: it will be harder for  
> most Americans to get any credit. Therefore, jobs will be lost.
>
>            And we may well face a deep recession.
>
>            California has 3.75 million small businesses with an  
> average of 5.6 employees. That adds up to over 20 million jobs.
>
>            Some of these businesses are funded with cash, but most  
> are funded with credit. When credit freezes, payrolls cannot be  
> met. And when payrolls cannot be met, pink slips are sent out.
>            And this will happen to retailers, grocery stores,  
> restaurants, electrical and plumbing contractors, apparel  
> manufacturers, computer and electronics stores, and auto dealerships.
>
>            Sales at auto dealerships have fallen dramatically in  
> the past year.
>
> Ford sales are down 34 percent,
> Chrysler sales are down 33 percent,
> Toyota sales are down 29 percent, and
> GM sales are down 16 percent.
>
> The list will go on and on.
>
>            Importantly, there have now been several improvements to  
> this bill. First, The FDIC insurance rate covering bank deposits  
> has been increased from $100,000 to $250,000. Americans will know  
> that their deposits are secure up to $250,000.
>
>            The legislation will provide tax relief to working  
> families.
>
>            One example: the Alternative Minimum tax is a real  
> problem. It was meant to apply only to 200 wealthy people, but it  
> was never adjusted for inflation and it has crept down the income  
> scale to the point where more than 25 million taxpayers today may  
> well have to pay an Alternative Minimum Tax.
>
>            In California, 700,000 people paid this tax last year.  
> But 4 million Californians will pay that tax this year unless we  
> take action.
>
>            This bill takes that action. For one year it will  
> prevent this tax increase.
>
>            The Congressional Budget Office has reviewed this bill  
> and concluded that the net cost to taxpayers is "likely to be  
> substantially less than $700 billion."
>
>            Again, these investments are first in line to be paid back.
>
>            It must be remembered that there was a great deal of  
> criticism when the U.S. government bailed out Mexico in 1996 with  
> $20 billion. The fact is, the money was paid back ahead of time and  
> $600 million in profit was made.
>
>            Let me give you the following points.
>
>            This bill mandates that the government provide loan  
> modifications for the subprime mortgages it acquires. This will  
> help keep families in homes rather than foreclosing and putting the  
> house on a deteriorating housing market where property values drop  
> and homes are looted.
>
>            The bill limits executive compensation.
>
>            It provides strong oversight and accountability,  
> including a financial stability oversight board, a five-member  
> Congressional oversight panel, an Inspector General, and a constant  
> presence at Treasury by the Government Accountability Office.
>
>            This is the only choice Congress can make.
>
>            One can rail against it and vote no on it, but that's  
> not going to solve the problem. We have one chance, and one chance  
> only, to solve the problem, and it is this bill.
>
>            I wish I could write it differently. Others wish they  
> could write it differently, but the fact is that we are faced with  
> this. Again, there is no question this is a tough vote.
>
>            But there's no question that this is a vote that I  
> believe has to be made."
>
> U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein
> Floor Statement on the Economic Rescue Proposal
> September 26, 2008
>
>            "Mr. President, to date I have received from  
> Californians more than 50,000 calls and letters, the great bulk of  
> them in opposition to any form of meeting this crisis with  
> financial help from the Federal Government. I wanted to come to the  
> floor to very simply state how I see this and some of the  
> principles that I hope will be forthcoming in this draft. Before I  
> do so, I wish to pay particular commendation to Senator Dodd,  
> Senator Schumer, Senator Bennett, and others who have been working  
> so hard on this issue. I have tried to keep in touch -- I am not a  
> negotiator; I am not on the committee -- but California is the  
> biggest State, the largest economic engine, and people are really  
> concerned.
>
>            We face the most significant economic crisis in 75 years  
> right now. Swift and comprehensive action is crucial to the overall  
> health of our economy. None of us wants to be in this position, and  
> there are no good options here. Nobody likes the idea of spending  
> massive sums of Government money to rescue major corporations from  
> their bad financial decisions. But no one also should be fooled  
> into thinking this problem only belongs to the banks and that it is  
> a good idea to let them fail. The pain felt by Wall Street one day  
> is felt there, and then 2,3,4 weeks down the pike, it is felt on  
> Main Street.
>
>            The turbulence in our financial sector has already  
> resulted in thousands of layoffs in the banking and finance  
> sectors, and that number will skyrocket if there is a full  
> collapse. The shock waves of failure will extend far beyond the  
> banking and finance sectors. A shrinking pool of credit would  
> affect the home loans, credit card limits, auto loans, and  
> insurance policies of average Americans. I am receiving calls from  
> people who tell me they want to buy a house, but they can't get the  
> credit or the mortgage to do so. Why? Because that market of credit  
> is drying up more rapidly one day after the other. It would have a  
> major impact on State and local governments which would lose tens  
> of millions of dollars, if not hundreds of millions of dollars.
>
>            Hurricane Ike shut down refineries on the gulf coast 2  
> weeks ago, and now, today, people are waiting hours in lines for  
> gasoline in the South. Similarly, the collapse of the financial  
> sector would have severe consequences for Americans all across the  
> economic spectrum: for the person who owns the grocery store, the  
> laundry, the bank, the insurance company. Then, if the worst  
> happens, layoffs. And even more than that, somebody shows up for  
> work and finds their business has closed because the owner of that  
> business can't get credit to buy the goods he hopes to sell that  
> week or that month. Wages and employment rates have already fallen  
> even as the cost of basic necessities has skyrocketed. Our Nation  
> is facing the highest unemployment rate in 5 years, at 6.1 percent.  
> Over 605,000 jobs have been lost nationwide this year. My own State  
> of California, a state of 38 million people, has the third highest  
> unemployment rate in the Nation at 7.7 percent. That is 1.4 million  
> people out of work today. One and a half million people -- that is  
> bigger than some States. We have 1.5 million people out of work,  
> and one-half million have had their unemployment insurance expire  
> and have nothing today.
>
>            Congress is faced with a situation where we have to act  
> and we have to do two things. We have to provide some reform in the  
> system of regulation and oversight that is supposed to protect our  
> economy. We also have to find a permanent and effective solution to  
> keep liquidity and credit functioning so that markets can recover  
> and make profit. The situation, I believe, is grave, and timely,  
> prudent action is needed.
>
>            Just last night, the sixth largest bank in America --  
> Washington Mutual-- was seized by government regulators and most of  
> its assets will be sold to JPMorgan Chase. This follows on the  
> heels of bankruptcies and takeovers of Bear Stearns, Lehman  
> Brothers, AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac. If nothing is done, the  
> crisis will continue to spread and one by one the dominos will fall.
>
>            Now, this isn't just about Wall Street. Because we are  
> this credit society, the financial troubles facing major economic  
> institutions will ricochet throughout this Nation and affect  
> everyone. So I believe the need for action is clear. But that  
> doesn't mean Congress should simply be a rubberstamp for an  
> unprecedented and unbridled program.
>
>            My constituents by the thousands have made their views  
> clear. I believe they are responding to the original 3-page  
> proposal by the Secretary of the Treasury. It is clear by now that  
> that 3-page proposal is a nonstarter. It is dead on arrival and  
> that is good. Secretary Paulson's proposal asked Congress to write  
> a $700 billion check to an economic czar who would have been  
> empowered to spend it without any administrative oversight, legal  
> requirements, or legislative review. Decisions made by the Treasury  
> Secretary would be nonreviewable by any court or agency, and the  
> fate of our entire economy would be committed to the sole  
> discretion of one man alone -- the man we know today, and the man  
> whom we don't know after January.
>
>            Additionally, the lack of governance or oversight in  
> this plan was matched by the lack of a requirement for regular  
> reports to Congress. This proposal stipulated that the economic  
> czar, newly created, would report to Congress after the first three  
> months with reports once every 6 months after that. This was  
> untenable. Six months is an eternity when you are spending billions  
> a week. The Treasury Secretary asked Congress to approve this  
> massive program without delay or interference. It is hard to think  
> of any other time in our history when Congress has been asked for  
> so much money and so much power to be concentrated in the hands of  
> one person. It is a nonstarter.
>
>            Yesterday, shortly before we met for the Democratic  
> Policy Committee lunch, we were told there had been a bipartisan  
> agreement on principles of a possible solution, and many of us  
> rejoiced. We know that our Members, both Republican and Democrat,  
> have been working hard to try to produce something that was  
> positive. Then, all of a sudden, it changed. One Presidential  
> candidate parachuted into town which proved to be enormously  
> destructive to the process. Now, negotiations are back on the  
> table, and as I say, we have just received a draft bill of certain  
> principles.
>
>            I would like to outline quickly those principles that I  
> think are important. First is a phase-in. No one wants to put $700  
> billion immediately at the discretion of one person or even a group  
> of a very few people, no matter how bright, how skilled, how  
> informed they might be on banking or finance principles. The  
> funding should come in phases and Congress should have the  
> opportunity to make its voice heard if the program isn't working or  
> needs to be adjusted.
>
>            The second point: Oversight, accountability, and  
> governance. The Treasury Secretary should not and must not have  
> unbridled authority to determine winners and losers, essentially  
> choosing which struggling financial institution will survive and  
> which will not. The original plan placed all authority in the hands  
> of this one man, and this is why I say it was DOA -- dead on  
> arrival -- at the Congress. We must assure that controls are in  
> place to watch taxpayer dollars and make sure they are well-spent  
> fixing the problem, and that oversight by a governance committee  
> and the Banking Committees are strong, and that they give the best  
> opportunity for the American people to recover their investment  
> and, yes, even eventually make a profit from that investment. That  
> can be done and it has been done in the past.
>
>            I believe that frequent reporting to Congress is  
> critical. Transparency, sunlight on this, is critical. So Congress  
> should receive regular, timely briefings, perhaps weekly for the  
> first quarter, on a program of this magnitude. A proposal should  
> mandate frequent reporting and the public should be ensured of  
> transparency to the maximum extent possible.
>
>            I also believe that within the first quarter -- and  
> this, to me, is key -- a comprehensive legislative proposal for  
> reform must be put forward. We must reform those speculative  
> practices that impact price function of markets. We must deal with  
> the unregulated practices that have furthered this crisis. Look. I  
> represent a State that was cost $40 billion in the Enron episode  
> during 1999 and 2000 by speculation, by manipulation, and by fraud.  
> There still is inadequate regulation of energy commodities sold on  
> the futures market. And that is just one point in all of this. We  
> must prevent these things from happening. The only way to do it is  
> to improve the transparency of all markets. No hidden deals. Swaps,  
> in my view, should be ended. The London loophole should be ended.
>
>            We have to outline rules for increasing regulation of  
> the mortgage-backed securities market, along with comprehensive  
> oversight of the mortgage industry and lending practices for both  
> prime and subprime lending.
>
>            Senator Martinez of Florida and I had a part in the  
> earlier housing bill, which included our legislation entitled the  
> SAFE Mortgage Licensing Act. We found that the market was rife with  
> fraud. We found there was one company that hired hairdressers and  
> others who sold mortgages in their spare time. We found there were  
> unscrupulous mortgage brokers out there unlicensed, preying upon  
> people, walking off with tens of thousands of dollars of cash. This  
> has to end. It has to be controlled. It has to be regulated.
>
>            So I believe the crisis of 2008 stems from the failure  
> of Federal regulators to rein in this Wild West mentality of those  
> Wall Street executives who led those firms and who thought that  
> nothing was out of bounds. Every quick scheme was worth the time,  
> and worth a try. Congress cannot ignore this as the root cause of  
> the crisis. It was inherent in the subprime marketplace, and it has  
> now spread to the prime mortgage marketplace.
>
>            It is also critical that accurate assessments of the  
> value of these illiquid mortgage-related assets be performed to  
> limit the taxpayers' exposure to risk and structure purchases to  
> ensure the greatest possible return on investment.
>
>            Taxpayer money must be shielded at all costs from risk  
> to the greatest extent possible.
>
>            Reciprocity is not a bad concept if you can carry it  
> out. The Government must not simply act as a repository for risky  
> investments that have gone bad. An economic rescue effort that  
> serves taxpayers well must allow them to benefit from the potential  
> profits of rescued entities. So a model -- and it may well be in  
> these new principles -- must be developed to ensure the taxpayers  
> are not only the first paid back but have an opportunity to share  
> in future profits through warrants and/or stocks.
>
>            As to executive compensation limits, simply put,  
> Californians are frosted by the absence of controls on executive  
> compensation. Virtually all of the 50,000 phone calls and letters  
> mentioned this one way or another. There must be limits. I am told  
> that the reason the Treasury Secretary does not want limits on  
> executive compensation is because he believes that an executive  
> then will not bring his company in to partake in any program that  
> is set up. Here is my response to that: We can put that executive  
> on his boat, take that boat out in the ocean, and set it on fire.  
> If that is how he feels, that is what should happen, or his company  
> doesn't come in. But to say that the Federal Government is going to  
> be responsible for tens of millions of dollars of executive  
> salaries, golden parachutes, whether they are a matter of contract  
> right or not, is not acceptable to the average person whose  
> taxpayer dollars are used in this bailout. That is just fact.
>
>            The one proposal that was made by one of the  
> Presidential candidates that I agree with is that there should be a  
> limit of $400,000 on executive compensation. If they don't like it,  
> too bad, don't participate in the program. As I have talked with  
> people on Wall Street and otherwise, they don't believe it is true  
> that an executive, if his pay is tailored down, will not bring a  
> company in that needs help. I hope that is true. I believe there  
> should be precise limits set on executive pay.
>
>            Finally, as to tangible benefits for Main Street in the  
> form of mortgage relief, there have been more than 500,000  
> foreclosures in my home State of California so far this year. In  
> the second quarter of this year, foreclosures were up 300 percent  
> over the second quarter of 2007. More than 800,000 are predicted  
> before this year is over.
>
>            I have a city in California where one out of every 25  
> homes is in foreclosure. This is new housing in subdivisions. As  
> you look at it, you will see garage doors kicked in. You will see  
> houses vandalized. You will see the grass and grounds dry. You will  
> see the street sprinkled with "For Sale" signs, and nobody buys  
> because the market has become so depressed.
>
>            This crisis has roots in the subprime housing boom that  
> went bust, and it would be unconscionable for us to simply bailout  
> Wall Street while leaving these homeowners to fend for themselves.
>
>            Everything I have been told, and I have talked to people  
> in this business, here is what they tell me: It is more cost- 
> effective to renegotiate a subprime loan and keep a family in a  
> house than it is to foreclose and run the risks of what happens to  
> that home on a depressed market as credit is drying up, as vandals  
> loot it, as landscaping dries up, as more homes in the area become  
> foreclosed upon; the way to go is to renegotiate these mortgages  
> with the exiting homeowner wherever possible. I feel very strongly  
> that should be the case.
>
>            I don't know what I or any of us will do if we authorize  
> this kind of expenditure and we find down the pike in my State that  
> the rest of the year, 800,000 to 1 million Americans are being  
> thrown out of their homes despite this form of rescue effort. Think  
> of what it means, Mr. President, in your State. You vote for this,  
> any other Senator votes for it, and these foreclosures continue to  
> take place and individual families continue to be thrown out of  
> their homes. It is not a tenable situation.
>
>            I hope, if anybody is listening at all, that in the  
> negotiating team, they will make a real effort to mandate in some  
> way that subprime foreclosures be renegotiated, that families,  
> wherever possible, who have an ability to pay, have that ability to  
> pay met with a renegotiated loan. I have done this now in cases  
> with families who were taken advantage of. We called the CEO of the  
> bank, and the bank has seen that the loan was renegotiated, in one  
> case in Los Angeles down to 2 percent. That is better than  
> foreclosing and running the uncertainty of the sale of the asset in  
> a very depressed housing market.
>
>            These are my thoughts. Again, it is easy to come to the  
> floor and give your thoughts. It is much more difficult to sit at  
> that negotiating table.
>
>            I once again thank those Senators on both sides of the  
> aisle who really understand the nature of this crisis -- that it  
> isn't only Wall Street, that it does involve Main Street, and if  
> there is a serious crash, it will hurt tens of millions of  
> Americans, many of them in irreparable ways. So we must do what we  
> must do, and we must do it prudently and carefully.
>            I yield the floor. I suggest the absence of quorum."
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Dianne Feinstein
>         United States Senator
>
> Further information about my position on issues of concern to  
> California and the Nation are available at my website http:// 
> feinstein.senate.gov/public/. You can also receive electronic e- 
> mail updates by subscribing to my e-mail list at http:// 
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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Sun Oct 12 19:31:29 2008
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (cls)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:31:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Zenn
Message-ID: <20081013023129.7CB3B6A8F0@truffula.sj.ca.us>


The big problem with electric cars is still the batteries.
$2000 worth of lead-acid cells every three years for a car
that goes 40 miles on a charge in warm weather.
Ten or twenty times that cost for a car with 200 to 300 mile
range.

Private enterprise hardly ever invents anything really new.
The breakthroughs come from universities and government
"pork barrel" programs.  Once upon a time the Defense
Advanced Projects Agency decided to waste some money on
scalable, fault tolerant computer networking software.
No private, for-profit company would ever have done it
the way they did.  The Internet Protocols entered the
public domain while they were still being developed,
intellectual property of the taxpayers of the United States.

The winning implementation was done by a team at UC Berkeley.
After they kicked AT&T's ass in court for bringing a
bullshit lawsuit to stop them, they gave the technology away.
Their "TCP/IP stack" code was used in products like MS-Windows-95,
SunOS, Mac OS, and Linux-1.0.

We need a similar program for advanced rechargeable
batteries.  It costs a few billion dollars to double the
speed of a high end microprocessor chip, at the same power
consumption, and put the new one into volume production.
Intel does it every couple of years.  Nobody else has the
money.  It might cost twice that much to quadruple the power
density of today's polymer-barrier lithium-ion cells.
If the new technology entered the public domain immediately
so that anybody who wanted to could build a factory to make them,
it might be the best "pork barrel" investment any government
ever made.  No private company that would do it has the money.
No private company with the money will do it.


Cameron



From pmyers42 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 21:25:48 2008
From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:25:48 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers and Carol Brouillet in the League of
	Women Voters forum Monday night
Message-ID: <E4C408E5-5752-4309-9DDE-E23EFB994D99@gmail.com>

Carol Brouillet and I will be debating our opponents on Monday night  
at the Cupertino Community Hall. The 15th District, my district, will  
start the evening at 7 p.m. sharp.

The Cupertino Community Hall is located at 10350 Torre Ave. in  
Cupertino.

Hope to see you at 7 p.m.

- Peter


From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Oct 13 11:32:22 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:32:22 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers and Carol Brouillet in the League
 of	Women Voters forum Monday night
In-Reply-To: <E4C408E5-5752-4309-9DDE-E23EFB994D99@gmail.com>
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 11:51:55 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:51:55 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers and Carol Brouillet in the League
 of	Women Voters forum Monday night
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References: <E4C408E5-5752-4309-9DDE-E23EFB994D99@gmail.com>
	<48F39436.8060706@charter.net>
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Somebody please ask Carol how, if at all, does she distance herself from anti-semites 
in the 9/11 Truth movement.  She's had over a month to think about it.




Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:32:22 -0700
From: wrolley at charter.net
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers and Carol Brouillet in the League of	Women Voters forum Monday night






  
  


Peter Myers wrote:

  The Cupertino Community Hall is located at 10350 Torre Ave. in  
Cupertino.

Hope to see you at 7 p.m

That is great, Peter.  Let's try to pack the audience. 



Lisa Vorderbrueggen, political columnist for the Conta Costa Times gave
a informed review
of the CD 11 debate between incumbent Jerry McNerney and Republican
Dean sc-Andal.   The interesting aspect was the  manner in which
McNerney folks filled the auditorium.  The Debate was in Tracy and
sponsored by the Tracy Press.  (One of the last, good family-owned
newspapers in the state.)



If you have the time to look at it, pay attention to the video of
McNerney folks arriving..  I is the top of the YouTube embeds. 



If we can manage the turnout it will be an eyeopener for the media who
just might pay attention... especially of someone can get it on camera
(Tian?) so that we can remind them. 



Following this, we need to make sure that letters go to the editors of
the following: 



Gilroy Dispatch - 



6400 Monterey Street, Gilroy, CA 95020


Mark Derry

Editor

Direct: 408.847.7010

markd at gilroydispatch.com




I won't be able to attend the session tonight, but if anyone
else posts what happens back here, I will hype it to the Dispatch...It
should get published in that the Dispatch and the MH Times are owned by
the same company. 



Others should try to get info into their local newspaper... links for
some of which follow:



Los Gatos Observer

Los Gatos Weekly Times

Cupertino Courier

etc. 





-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 18:38:25 2008
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:38:25 EDT
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Reminder: Cynthia McKinney Yard Signs Still
	Available
Message-ID: <be7.3b900e04.36255211@aol.com>

 
All of the non defective yard signs were distributed at the October 1st  
GPSCC monthly meeting.  I still have about 45 of the signs with the one  letter 
printer's defect which can be cured either by cutting the sign in half or  
stapling, gluing or taping the good portion of one sign over the printing defect  
of another.  Call or email for pickups.
 
Warner Bloomberg
867 North Fifth Street
San Jose, CA 95112
 
(408) 295-9353
 
Also still have a few of Tian's bumper stickers.
 
 

 
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 14 10:18:57 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:18:57 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: NSA Caught Spying on Our Own Military]
Message-ID: <48F4D481.9040700@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NSA Caught Spying on Our Own Military
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:47:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" <Executive_Director at aclu.org>
Reply-To: "Anthony D. Romero, ACLU" <Executive_Director at aclu.org>
Organization: ACLU
To: gerrygras at earthlink.net

************************************************
We are Constitution Voters
It's time candidates talk about warrantless NSA spying on
innocent Americans, including military personnel and international
relief workers.

Email debate moderator, Bob Schieffer, and tell him to ask the
candidates about warrantless NSA spying on innocent Americans,
including military personnel and international relief workers.
FTN at cbsnews.com
************************************************
Dear ACLU Supporter,

Tomorrow night, at the last debate, one thing we can be sure of is
that Barack Obama and John McCain will go out of their way to tell us
how much they respect America's fighting men and women. There's a
simple test that moderator Bob Schieffer can use to see if they mean
it.

He can ask them how and when they plan to put an end to our
government's ineffective and unnecessary spying on the personal phone
calls of innocent Americans, including the phone calls of military
personnel serving far away from home.

Late last week, two whistle-blowers -- former National Security Agency
(NSA) military intercept operators -- the people who actually listen
in on phone calls -- revealed that hundreds of innocent Americans,
including soldiers and humanitarian workers for the Red Cross and
Doctors Without Borders, were routinely and intentionally eavesdropped
on.

It's hard to think of a more insulting way to disrespect those serving
our nation and the world overseas than intruding on their personal,
sometimes intimate, phone calls back home.

Email Bob Schieffer, and tell him to ask the candidates about
warrantless NSA spying on innocent Americans, including military
personnel and international relief workers.
FTN at cbsnews.com

Anyone vying to be our next Commander in Chief should have a ready
answer. The only way to stop this reckless spying is to make sure the
NSA does not have unchecked spying power. That is why the ACLU is
challenging the FISA Amendments Act with our Amnesty International v.
McConnell lawsuit brought on behalf of an impressive array of
journalists, human rights organizations and lawyers.

This misguided law -- rushed through a timid pre-election Congress --
gives the government nearly unfettered access to the international
phone calls of Americans without any meaningful judicial oversight.
Such unchecked and unaccountable power is an outrage and essentially
authorizes mass, suspicionless, warrantless spying -- exactly what the
ACLU has been fighting to undo since the Bush administration began its
illegal warrantless spying program in 2005. Last week's
revelations about NSA spying on our troops and international relief
workers makes painfully clear that our government has run amok, spying
on innocent Americans while claiming to be spying only on suspected
terrorists.

The American people deserve to know whether our next President is
committed to bring out-of-control eavesdropping to an end.

Send a message to Mr. Schieffer.
FTN at cbsnews.com

The men and women serving in the military make so many
sacrifices for our country. They leave home for months -- even years
-- at a time. They put themselves in harm's way, and some of them
never return home at all. It is unconscionable that our government has
turned their most intimate phone calls into fodder for the amusement
of NSA spies.

That's exactly what's happened according to the NSA whistle-blowers'
reports. Tomorrow night, Bob Schieffer can ask a simple question and
let the candidates tell the American public exactly how they are
planning on bringing out-of-control government spying to an end.

Please send a message to Mr. Schieffer today.
FTN at cbsnews.com

The ACLU is leading the fight to stop out-of-control eavesdropping,
and we will not yield until we bring this reckless spying to an end.
Please stand with us today.

In defense of freedom,

Anthony D. Romero
Executive Director
ACLU

P.S. The debate happens tomorrow night. Help to ensure Bob Schieffer
asks about this critical issue. Please pass this along to five
friends, and take time to send Mr. Schieffer a message right away.



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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 14 10:26:40 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:26:40 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [ppjc] Forum Tonight: Understanding the
	Economic Crisis]
Message-ID: <48F4D650.4070705@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Gerry

NOTE: This event is only 3 or 4 blocks from the California
Avenue Caltrain station.  You have to take the tunnel under
the tracks.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ppjc] Forum Tonight: Understanding the Economic Crisis
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peninsula Peace and Justice Center <ppjc at peaceandjustice.org>
To: <gerrygras at earthlink.net>


 >From Peninsula Peace and Justice Center

Tonight - October 14, 7:30 PM

Understanding what goes on behind closed doors...

"Epic Recession, Global Financial Crisis and What It All Means for You"

JACK RASMUS, Ph.D.
Political Economist
Author, The War At Home: The Corporate Offensive from Ronald Reagan to 
George W. Bush

An in-depth examination of the crisis facing Wall Street and what it all 
means for Main Street.
Lecture with a heavy emphasis on audience Q&A.

     "Of course, 'nationalization' to capitalist financial interests is 
a stop-gap measure designed to
     temporarily refloat the markets and institutions at taxpayer 
expense. Once they are financially
     stabilized, the idea is to sell them back to private interests -- 
when they can make a profit once more.
     It's the basic capitalist strategy of socialize the costs and 
privatize the gains -- the essential
     capitalist definition of 'nationalization.'" ~ Jack Rasmus

Jack Rasmus, Ph.D. is the author of several books on Political Economy in
the U.S. His works include the 2006 book The War At Home: The
Corporate Offensive from Ronald Reagan to George W. Bush, a 536-page
analysis of corporate power and economic restructuring in the twentieth
century; and a forthcoming book, The Trillion Dollar Income Shift: Essays
on Income Inequality in America, about the origins and causes of the 
growing
inequalities.  Jack's  newest publication is EPIC Recession and Global
Financial Crisis, about increasing financial instability in the U.S. and 
the
protracted 'epic' recession now emerging in the U.S. and globally.

Jack is also a freelance journalist writing widely on U.S. economic and 
domestic policy topics, and has
published numerous articles in Z Magazine, Critique, In These Times, 
Amandla, Against the Current,
The Dispatcher, and other periodicals.

Read Jack's latest articles at his website.
http://www.kyklosproductions.com/articles.html

Tuesday, October 14, 7:30 PM
Fellowship Hall, First Baptist Church
305 N. California Ave., Palo Alto
$5 ~ $10 suggested donation ||  Wheelcahir accessible

Presented by
Peninsula Peace and Justice Center
www.PeaceandJustice.org  ||  (650) 326-8837

 >>> Be sure to check out our home page every weekday to read the news 
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From pmyers42 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 23:41:44 2008
From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:41:44 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers for Congress debate on YouTube
Message-ID: <D1A08CBE-8BD9-4635-9021-FC9CA40F4A34@gmail.com>

For those of you who couldn't attend, my debate with Joyce Cordi (and  
Mike Honda in absentia) is now on YouTube.

Head to http://www.youtube.com/user/MyersforCalifornia to see any or  
all of the eight segments.

- Peter


From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Oct 15 12:48:48 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:48:48 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [G-C-F] Sunday's 3rd-party candidates
	debate]
Message-ID: <48F64920.9080006@aceweb.com>

I don't have cable, so I can't see this at home. :-(

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[G-C-F] Sunday's 3rd-party candidates debate
Date: 	Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:50:41 -0700
From: 	Marnie Glickman <marnie at greenchange.com>
To: 	cal-forum at cagreens.org
References: 	<CAF59DFC-AB0B-44F1-9D0A-CA7BF1235BA1 at greenchange.org>



Dear CA friends,

Here is the first story I've seen about the Sunday 3rd party debate with
Cynthia and Ralph:

<http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=3396>

Here is the text per Warner's request:
Sunday's C-Span opportunity: 3rd-party candidates debate

Maria Recio |  McClatchy |  10.15.2008

Third-party presidential candidates finally will have their own debate:
at 8 p.m. Sunday at Columbia University in New York.

The debate, which will be announced Wednesday, will include at least
three of the four third-party candidates ? independent Ralph Nader, the
Green Party's Cynthia McKinney and the Constitution Party's Chuck
Baldwin. Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr said he has a scheduling
conflict, but debate organizers say he wanted to appear only with Nader.
(Democratic nominee Barack Obama and Republican nominee John McCain are
also invited.)

Nader and Barr are on the ballot in 45 states, while the Green Party is
on 31 state ballots and the Constitution Party is on the ballot in 37
states. Nader and McKinney also are on the District of Columbia ballot.

Organizers say the debate is an important exercise in democracy,
especially because the debates sponsored by the Commission on
Presidential Debates (the last of which is Wednesday night) exclude
candidates scoring below 15 percent in national polls. Nader, the best
known of the candidates, has an average of 2.5 percent in recent
national polls, according to realclearpolitics.com, while Barr averages
1.5 percent.

Nader maintains that if he could get into the debates run by the
Commission on Presidential Debates, his numbers would immediately climb
because "two-thirds of the people don't know we're running."

"It's a Catch-22."

Nader describes the debate commission as "a two-party dictatorial
company that doesn't want anybody else on the stage." The commission,
created in 1987, is a corporation headed by two former chairs of the
Democratic and Republican parties.

But third-party critics of the system recently got some traction: the
second of the presidential debates prompted a chorus of criticism of the
"boring" format and the lack of follow-up questions.

Nader also will give the issue more visibility at a rally to open the
debates Wednesday night at New York's historic Cooper Union Great Hall,
where presidential candidates back to Abraham Lincoln have spoken.

The format for Sunday's third-party debate is still being finalized. It
will be moderated by Pacifica radio host Amy Goodman. The issues
promoted by the candidates strike a different chord from the major party
standard-bearers ? all four are against the $700 billion economic
bailout and all oppose the Iraq war.

In addition, each has his or her own agenda: Nader rails against
corporate greed while McKinney promotes environmental causes. The
Libertarian Party is a critic of monetary policy and likes to invoke a
return to the gold standard. Baldwin of the Constitution Party
represents a conservative, small government, anti-abortion party that
wants to "restore the government to its biblical foundations."

The third-party debate will be streamed at www.thirdpartyticket.com
<http://www.thirdpartyticket.com> and will be shown on C-Span.

>
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>
> Marnie Glickman  
> Executive director
> Green Change
>
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Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I still have about 125 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
October's First Friday in San Jose: I showed Melanie an Alaska quarter.
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Oct 15 23:50:25 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:50:25 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Election Night Party
Message-ID: <48F6E431.4050403@aceweb.com>

I spent the afternoon going up one side of Murphy Street in downtown
Sunnyvale and down the other. There are lots of restaurants that will
be glad to host us if we are willing to spend $15/head for food at the
event. The coffee shop will do it just if we promise to not bring in
food, and make everybody get something.

I rode up De Anza to Fremont, and it seemed like a desert. I got to
wondering how anybody without a car would get there. I would reccomend
Murphy St. over that area. Caltrain at least serves that place.

Then I started wondering if anybody that lives in Peter's District has 
a clubhouse or large back yard we could use for a potluck type event?
I think we can expect 30 to 50 people (Peter's campaign alone is 20
volunteers and family and friends), and we should have access to the 
space from about 7 PM to maybe 11 PM.
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I still have about 120 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
October's First Friday in San Jose: I showed Melanie an Alaska quarter.


From andid at cagreens.org  Thu Oct 16 09:32:04 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:32:04 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Thank KPFA for 3-parties' debate w/
	Obama-McCain!!!!
Message-ID: <7862DD1B-2851-4226-8588-0E246A8E942A@cagreens.org>

This AM Amy Goodman provided time on her Democracy Now show at 6 AM  
and 9 AM for 3rd parties to "debate" the two major parties!!
Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader accepted the invitation; they both  
spoke well.

McKinney should be contacted as well and commended on her courage in  
facing Nader and his long experience.

Nader should be commended for his avoidance of attack against any 3rd  
party: he concentrated on the power.

They both are continuing their cohesion among the 3rd parties,  
thereby making the voting block stronger against the two power  
parties.  Smart!!!!
Andrea



From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Oct 16 09:40:49 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:40:49 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Collar Economy
Message-ID: <48F76E91.6030200@charter.net>

Last week, I requested that the Santa Clara County Library System order 
copies of The Green Collar Economy by Berkeley activist Van Jones.  They 
responded and it now shows up as on order, one copy for each of 
Campbell, Cupertino, Gilroy, Morgan Hill, Milpitas, Los Altos, Saratoga 
and Woodland librarie.

I heartily recommend this to all Greens. (don't care if you are small g 
green or capital G Green)

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 17:48:58 2008
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:48:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Local Propositions Endorsements?
Message-ID: <317730.29626.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Does the Santa Clara County Green Party have a voter guide for the local propositions and elected officials?

-Edward


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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sat Oct 18 02:30:16 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:30:16 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] San Jose bike party.... It's not critical mass,
 but it's close and legal
Message-ID: <48F9ACA8.4080205@aceweb.com>

In San Francisco it's all about taking over the streets. In San Jose
it's all about having a legal experience that's fun. It's a bike party.
We don't take over the street, we take over the entire right lane.
I could see it evolving into the largest event that could fly under
the radar of the cops. I'd like to see that. Then I'll still be able
to say that in San Francisco the cops escort critical mass. In San Jose
they leave us alone. I like that a lot.

In San Francisco it's totally random. The ride goes all kinds of weird
places. Spontainiously we've visited Moscone's show floor, the Golden 
Gate bridge, and many tourist sights. In San Jose our guiding light
hands out directions 4 the ride at the beginning and says "stay right!"
The directions include things like "stop at Dick's to sync up." The
sheet listed four or five collecting points. We stopped at all of them.

In San Francisco you know you're going to hit some serious hills.
In San Jose we went all the way to the top of the four story parking
structures at the mall across from Santana Row. That would be to the
top of the two highest hills in San Jose. The rest of it was flattish.

In San Francisco political activists hand out fliers at the beginning,
while we are still at Pee Wee Herman Plaza. In San Jose I ran into
Peter Myers (Green Party Congressional Candidate, 15th Dist.) repeatedly 
during the ride. Dressed up for Halloween as a boy scout he fit right 
in. Okay so I can think of some intense SF activists that ride in 
critical mass there to. Barry Hermanson comes to mind but I'm not sure.

I pushed many stickers. I could have pushed many more, but I was 
watching a lot when I first got there. I wanted to soak in the vibe.
It was a new crowd for me. Turned out I had a lot of friends in it.

In San Francisco there are lots of people with cowbells and the like
on their handle bars. Several DJs bring bike trailer sized sound 
systems. In San Jose it's less like that. One guy had a boom box
on his handle bars little two inch speakers that you couldn't hear
ten feet away. One guy had a bike trailer sized sound system, but
it didn't dominate. You had to be within about fifteen feet to think
it was loud.

In San Francisco the ride doesn't stop for anything. At intersections
corkers keep the cars from moving while the ride blows through.
In San Jose the corkers set a good example by stopping for red lights.
They stop the riders behind them, and the ride reconnects at Dick's
or wherever.

Somebody told me there is a party on Sunday at Fabers. Somebody else
told me to be at San Jose City Hall on September 28th to show solidarity
as a bicyclist on some measure before the City Council. 6 to 9 PM or
something like that.

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I still have about 98 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
Let me know if you want one.
October's San Jose Bike Party: I lost a couple of beautiful tomatoes.


From andid at cagreens.org  Sat Oct 18 08:41:27 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:41:27 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [G-C-F] Sunday's 3rd-party candidates
	debate]
In-Reply-To: <48F908D1.6020001@charter.net>
References: <544131.64139.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48F908D1.6020001@charter.net>
Message-ID: <F9D90D3A-68CA-4ED0-8CC4-DEB190ED9A84@cagreens.org>

McKinney announced a debate she would be attending on KPFA on  
Democracy Now when Amy Goodman hosted her and Nader for a response to  
the Prez Debate by the majors.  I don't remember the location/date,  
but Nader was checking with his people to see if he could be there.   
If someone could pull up the DN program on that day online, you would  
hear her announcement.
Andrea

On Oct 17, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Wes Rolley wrote:

> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>
>> I went to C-SPAN schedule, and they show Perspectives on Iran at  
>> 8:00 on Sunday night. Can someone give me better directions to  
>> find the debate so I can be sure I get it? I'm still happy to have  
>> the meeting here, but, if I can't get the debate, we could have  
>> the meeting earlier. Any input here? Anybody besides Tian coming?
>> Caroline
>>
> Caroline and all,
>
> For all the hype in Green circles, the latest that I saw is that no  
> one is going to show up.  At least Barr and McKinney have said "no  
> thank you" according to an article posted by Marnie Glickman to the  
> national committee email list.
>
> This seems to be a case where everyone got all excited before the  
> session was signed.. let alone sealed and delivered.
>
>
> -- 
> "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you  
> don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente
>
> Wes Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024
>



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sat Oct 18 10:35:11 2008
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GPCC meeting
Message-ID: <38598.74653.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I would like to have a GPCC meeting at my house on Sunday. It's not too late to work for our candidates. I talked two people into voting for Peter this morning. If anybody wants to come. please contact? me? carolineyacoub at att.net, or (408)530-0118.
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From green at bionictoad.com  Sat Oct 18 10:43:55 2008
From: green at bionictoad.com (Ray Tobey)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:43:55 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] San Jose bike party.... It's not critical
 mass, but it's close and legal
In-Reply-To: <48F9ACA8.4080205@aceweb.com>
References: <48F9ACA8.4080205@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <48FA205B.3030600@bionictoad.com>

Sounds like fun! When is the next one?

Tian Harter wrote:
> In San Francisco it's all about taking over the streets. In San Jose
> it's all about having a legal experience that's fun. It's a bike party. We don't take over the street, we take over the entire right lane. I could see it evolving into the largest event that could fly under the radar of the cops. I'd like to see that. Then I'll still be able to say that in San Francisco the cops escort critical mass. In San Jose they leave us alone. I like that a lot.
>
> In San Francisco it's totally random. The ride goes all kinds of weird
> places. Spontainiously we've visited Moscone's show floor, the Golden 
> Gate bridge, and many tourist sights. In San Jose our guiding light
> hands out directions 4 the ride at the beginning and says "stay right!" The directions include things like "stop at Dick's to sync up." The sheet listed four or five collecting points. We stopped at all of them.
>
> In San Francisco you know you're going to hit some serious hills.
> In San Jose we went all the way to the top of the four story parking
> structures at the mall across from Santana Row. That would be to the
> top of the two highest hills in San Jose. The rest of it was flattish.
>
> In San Francisco political activists hand out fliers at the beginning,
> while we are still at Pee Wee Herman Plaza. In San Jose I ran into
> Peter Myers (Green Party Congressional Candidate, 15th Dist.) repeatedly during the ride. Dressed up for Halloween as a boy scout he fit right in. Okay so I can think of some intense SF activists that ride in critical mass there to. Barry Hermanson comes to mind but I'm not sure.
>
> I pushed many stickers. I could have pushed many more, but I was 
> watching a lot when I first got there. I wanted to soak in the vibe.
> It was a new crowd for me. Turned out I had a lot of friends in it.
>
> In San Francisco there are lots of people with cowbells and the like
> on their handle bars. Several DJs bring bike trailer sized sound 
> systems. In San Jose it's less like that. One guy had a boom box
> on his handle bars little two inch speakers that you couldn't hear
> ten feet away. One guy had a bike trailer sized sound system, but
> it didn't dominate. You had to be within about fifteen feet to think
> it was loud.
>
> In San Francisco the ride doesn't stop for anything. At intersections
> corkers keep the cars from moving while the ride blows through.
> In San Jose the corkers set a good example by stopping for red lights.
> They stop the riders behind them, and the ride reconnects at Dick's
> or wherever.
>
> Somebody told me there is a party on Sunday at Fabers. Somebody else
> told me to be at San Jose City Hall on September 28th to show solidarity as a bicyclist on some measure before the City Council. 6 to 9 PM or something like that.


From andid at cagreens.org  Sat Oct 18 11:42:18 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:42:18 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [G-C-F] Sunday's 3rd-party candidates
	debate]
In-Reply-To: <48F64920.9080006@aceweb.com>
References: <48F64920.9080006@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <0930B5B8-D11A-4B3E-ACCD-F397F74CA9BE@cagreens.org>


On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Tian Harter wrote:

> The debate, which will be announced Wednesday, will include at least
> three of the four third-party candidates ? independent Ralph Nader,  
> the
> Green Party's Cynthia McKinney and the Constitution Party's Chuck
> Baldwin.

> <Libertarian Party nominee Bob Barr said he has a scheduling
> conflict, but debate organizers say he wanted to appear only with  
> Nader.>

Woof!
A little snob reaction here on the part of Barr?  Like I only rub  
shoulders with the well-known BIG vote getters?

It reminds me of a little sci-fi short story written in the 50s about  
an alien who is treated like an "untouchable" until he manages to  
attract and marry a power-based Earth woman; from the day of the  
marriage, she is stunned to see him abusing his fellow-aliens, whom  
he now sees as his inferiors.
I've never been able to forget this story, even 60 years later.

The abused often grow up to be abusers.  (Look at the Israeli- 
Palestinian situation).
Andrea



From pmyers42 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 11:43:55 2008
From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:43:55 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers for Congress Yard Signs
Message-ID: <02756D39-1EB9-4CB4-971A-263DC25395BE@gmail.com>

Hey Greens-

I've got some fantastic looking yard signs, but only a quarter of them  
have homes so far. Please e-mail at peter at myersforcalifornia.com or  
call me at 408-242-4212 if you live in the 15th District (currently  
Honda) and would like a sign.

- Peter


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 18 12:45:24 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:45:24 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Third party debate
Message-ID: <48FA3CD4.1090909@earthlink.net>


I have seen some emails asking about the status of the debate
tomorrow.  Here is my understanding.  Sorry if I am repeating
anything.  I am confused now, judge for yourself.

*** Read carefully ***

NOTE: At the very least read the GPCA announcement at the
bottom.

Gerry

=====================

Part 1: Web search


I have gone to a number of websites searching for info about
the debate.  I have not found anything I would consider
completely definitive except it seems clear that:

- location: Columbia University

- date: Sunday October 19th

- time: either 7 PM or 8 PM


As for media it seems almost certain that CSPAN will carry
it and Pacifica may carry it.  But I can't find anything on
CSPAN and Pacifica.

Some info is available at:


http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2008/10/14/third-party-debate-at-columbia-univ-on-sunday-w-nader-mckinney-baldwin-amy-goodman/

http://www.thirdpartyticket.com/

CSPAN is:
     http://www.c-span.org/
     http://www.pacifica.org


======================

Part 2: GPCA Announcement


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GPCA Updates] ADVISORY McKinney in BreakTheMatrix.com pres. 
candidates' forum, Oct. 19
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:12:28 -0700
From: Green Party of California Updates <updates at cagreens.org>
Reply-To: updates-owner at marla.cagreens.org, updates at cagreens.org
To: updates at cagreens.org

** Green Party of California Update **





~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Distributed by the Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org

McKINNEY/CLEMENTE POWER TO THE PEOPLE COMMITTEE
http://votetruth08.com
http://www.runcynthiarun.org

For Immediate Release:
Friday, October 17, 2008


Green nominee Cynthia McKinney to speak in online presidential
candidates' forum, Sunday, Oct. 19

. Web site for the broadcast: http://www.breakthematrix.com/channels/1


WASHINGTON, DC -- Green Party presidential nominee Cynthia McKinney
will participate in a webcast forum for presidential candidates on
Sunday, October 19, to be aired 7 to 9 pm on BreakTheMatrix.com
(http://www.breakthematrix.com/channels/1).

Cynthia McKinney will join other candidates who've been invited to the
online forum, which has been organized by ThirdPartyTicket.com's
Trevor Lyman (http://www.thirdpartyticket.com).

Ms. McKinney will not appear at a candidates' forum at Columbia
University on the evening of October 19.  The news of Ms. McKinney's
participation in the Columbia event was released to the media in error
by persons who are unassociated with the McKinney campaign, and who
had not confirmed such an appearance with Ms. McKinney or her staff.

"We invite everyone to go online, tune in to BreakTheMatrix.com, and
listen to Cynthia McKinney and the other candidates debate real
issues.  We'll hear Ms. McKinney offer ideas that have been censored
from the McCain-Obama debates -- ideas that most Americans support,
like bringing our troops home now, health care for everyone, and help
for working Americans facing financial difficulty instead of a $700
billion bailout package for Wall Street," said John Judge, media
secretary for the McKinney/Clemente Power to the People Committee.

Cynthia McKinney and running mate Rosa Clemente were nominated by the
Green Party at the Green National Convention in Chicago this past
July.

"A vote for Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente is an investment in a
growing progressive antiwar party that accepts no corporate
contributions.  No other candidate in the 2008 election offers the
hope of a permanent alternative to the Democrats and Republicans and
the corporate interests that the two established parties serve.  The
Green Party isn't an alternative, it's an imperative," said Ms.
Clemente.

Greens and other Americans have objected to the format of the
McCain-Obama debates, which were sponsored by the Commission on
Presidential Debates (CPD), and which excluded all candidates except
the Democratic and Republican nominee.

The CPD, which sets rules for candidate participation, is owned and
run by the Democratic and Republican parties, which have an interest
in excluding all candidates except their own. Greens noted that the
CPD is funded through contributions from corporations, which have
their own interests in limiting the candidates who participate in the
debates.


MORE INFORMATION

Cynthia McKinney/Rosa Clemente 'Power to the People' Campaign for the
White House
http://votetruth08.com
http://www.runcynthiarun.org

"Where's Kenny Rogers When You Need Him? The Big Boys Got Their
Bailout, But the Elected Leadership and the Voters Meet at the
Election Day Showdown"
By Cynthia McKinney, OpEdNews.com, Oct. 7, 2008
http://www.opednews.com/articles/-Where-s-Kenny-Rogers-When-by-Cynthia-McKinney-081007-748.html

Cynthia McKinney on video
http://www.youtube.com/user/RunCynthiaRun
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=RunCynthiaRun
. Music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx1NPlQjkqo

Rosa Clemente on video
. Interview: Current TV/Rock the Vote
http://current.com/items/89335393_the_organizer_and_green_party_vp_candidate_talks_about_her_inspirations

Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org


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From MLause at cinci.rr.com  Sat Oct 18 12:47:34 2008
From: MLause at cinci.rr.com (Mark A. Lause)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Third party debate
In-Reply-To: <48FA3CD4.1090909@earthlink.net>
References: <48FA3CD4.1090909@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <51E8885FF03042FF8B076BDA6E194FCC@PC>

It's reported to be dead, which is too bad....

Bob Barr almost always avoids these things and backs out at the last minute.

Chris Baldwin's decision not to go to New York figures...he thinks the devil
might live there.

McKinney's vice presidential candidate didn't want to be there, which seems
to be why McKinney can't go. Strange excuse, though, and I suspect it's a
money problem, related to the disorganization of the campaign.

Nader was willing but his attendence alone would not have made it much of a
third party presidential debate..

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/730874.html

ML





From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 18 13:23:15 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:23:15 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Third party debate
References: <48FA3CD4.1090909@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48FA45B3.4080702@earthlink.net>


Well, as I said, it is confusing, but it is not clear to me that
it is dead.

Based on the email below and the announcement on this page:
     http://votetruth08.com/
it seems that there will be a "debate", although maybe Cynthia
will be the only one debating.

I guess I'll go to

     http://www.breakthematrix.com/channels/1

at 4PM tomorrow, Pacific time.

(Note: after "channels", it is the number 1, not the letter l.

Gerry


Gerry Gras wrote:

> I have seen some emails asking about the status of the debate
> tomorrow.  Here is my understanding.  Sorry if I am repeating
> anything.  I am confused now, judge for yourself.
> 
> *** Read carefully ***
> 
> NOTE: At the very least read the GPCA announcement at the
> bottom.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> =====================
> 
> Part 1: Web search
> 
> 
> I have gone to a number of websites searching for info about
> the debate.  I have not found anything I would consider
> completely definitive except it seems clear that:
> 
> - location: Columbia University
> 
> - date: Sunday October 19th
> 
> - time: either 7 PM or 8 PM
> 
> 
> As for media it seems almost certain that CSPAN will carry
> it and Pacifica may carry it.  But I can't find anything on
> CSPAN and Pacifica.
> 
> Some info is available at:
> 
> 
> http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2008/10/14/third-party-debate-at-columbia-univ-on-sunday-w-nader-mckinney-baldwin-amy-goodman/
> 
> http://www.thirdpartyticket.com/
> 
> CSPAN is:
>      http://www.c-span.org/
>      http://www.pacifica.org
> 
> 
> ======================
> 
> Part 2: GPCA Announcement
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [GPCA Updates] ADVISORY McKinney in BreakTheMatrix.com pres. 
> candidates' forum, Oct. 19
> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:12:28 -0700
> From: Green Party of California Updates <updates at cagreens.org>
> Reply-To: updates-owner at marla.cagreens.org, updates at cagreens.org
> To: updates at cagreens.org
> 
> ** Green Party of California Update **
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Distributed by the Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org
> 
> McKINNEY/CLEMENTE POWER TO THE PEOPLE COMMITTEE
> http://votetruth08.com
> http://www.runcynthiarun.org
> 
> For Immediate Release:
> Friday, October 17, 2008
> 
> 
> Green nominee Cynthia McKinney to speak in online presidential
> candidates' forum, Sunday, Oct. 19
> 
> . Web site for the broadcast: http://www.breakthematrix.com/channels/1
> 
> 
> WASHINGTON, DC -- Green Party presidential nominee Cynthia McKinney
> will participate in a webcast forum for presidential candidates on
> Sunday, October 19, to be aired 7 to 9 pm on BreakTheMatrix.com
> (http://www.breakthematrix.com/channels/1).
> 
> Cynthia McKinney will join other candidates who've been invited to the
> online forum, which has been organized by ThirdPartyTicket.com's
> Trevor Lyman (http://www.thirdpartyticket.com).
> 
> Ms. McKinney will not appear at a candidates' forum at Columbia
> University on the evening of October 19.  The news of Ms. McKinney's
> participation in the Columbia event was released to the media in error
> by persons who are unassociated with the McKinney campaign, and who
> had not confirmed such an appearance with Ms. McKinney or her staff.
> 
> "We invite everyone to go online, tune in to BreakTheMatrix.com, and
> listen to Cynthia McKinney and the other candidates debate real
> issues.  We'll hear Ms. McKinney offer ideas that have been censored
> from the McCain-Obama debates -- ideas that most Americans support,
> like bringing our troops home now, health care for everyone, and help
> for working Americans facing financial difficulty instead of a $700
> billion bailout package for Wall Street," said John Judge, media
> secretary for the McKinney/Clemente Power to the People Committee.
> 
> Cynthia McKinney and running mate Rosa Clemente were nominated by the
> Green Party at the Green National Convention in Chicago this past
> July.
> 
> "A vote for Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente is an investment in a
> growing progressive antiwar party that accepts no corporate
> contributions.  No other candidate in the 2008 election offers the
> hope of a permanent alternative to the Democrats and Republicans and
> the corporate interests that the two established parties serve.  The
> Green Party isn't an alternative, it's an imperative," said Ms.
> Clemente.
> 
> Greens and other Americans have objected to the format of the
> McCain-Obama debates, which were sponsored by the Commission on
> Presidential Debates (CPD), and which excluded all candidates except
> the Democratic and Republican nominee.
> 
> The CPD, which sets rules for candidate participation, is owned and
> run by the Democratic and Republican parties, which have an interest
> in excluding all candidates except their own. Greens noted that the
> CPD is funded through contributions from corporations, which have
> their own interests in limiting the candidates who participate in the
> debates.
> 
> 
> MORE INFORMATION
> 
> Cynthia McKinney/Rosa Clemente 'Power to the People' Campaign for the
> White House
> http://votetruth08.com
> http://www.runcynthiarun.org
> 
> "Where's Kenny Rogers When You Need Him? The Big Boys Got Their
> Bailout, But the Elected Leadership and the Voters Meet at the
> Election Day Showdown"
> By Cynthia McKinney, OpEdNews.com, Oct. 7, 2008
> http://www.opednews.com/articles/-Where-s-Kenny-Rogers-When-by-Cynthia-McKinney-081007-748.html
> 
> Cynthia McKinney on video
> http://www.youtube.com/user/RunCynthiaRun
> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=RunCynthiaRun
> . Music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx1NPlQjkqo
> 
> Rosa Clemente on video
> . Interview: Current TV/Rock the Vote
> http://current.com/items/89335393_the_organizer_and_green_party_vp_candidate_talks_about_her_inspirations
> 
> Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org
> 
> 
> ~ END ~
> 
> 
> 
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 18 13:24:44 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:24:44 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Election Theft Response
Message-ID: <BAY115-W52B4708261E6EA016AF0FF9E2D0@phx.gbl>





The only plans I've seen are here:   
http://nomorestolenelections.org/

Call to Action:   http://nomorestolenelections.org/call_to_action




signed by 


Aimee Allison, KPFA Radio



Barbara Ehrenreich, author, Nickled and Dimed



Bob Fertik, Democrats.com



Camilo Mejia, chair, Iraq Veterans Against the War


Daniel Ellsberg, Truth-Telling Project



David Cobb, initiator of 2004 Ohio Recount



David Rovics, musician



David Swanson, AfterDowningStreet.org



Dorothy Fadiman, director, Stealing America: Vote by Vote



Doyle Canning, SmartMeme



Frances Moore Lapp?, author, Democracy's Edge


Jim Hightower, radio personality


John Nichols, author, The Genius of Impeachment



Jonathan Simon, executive director, Election Defense Alliance



Medea Benjamin, co-founder, Global Exchange



Norman Solomon, activist, author



Rabbi Michael Lerner, chair, Network of Spiritual Progressives



Rev. Jesse Jackson, civil rights leader



Rev. Lennox Yearwood, president, Hip Hop Caucus



Robert McChesney, professor, author, The Problem of the Media


Starhawk, Earth Activist Trainings


Tom Hayden, activist



Van Jones, founder, Green for All





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From MLause at cinci.rr.com  Sat Oct 18 14:02:39 2008
From: MLause at cinci.rr.com (Mark A. Lause)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:02:39 -0400
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Third party debate
In-Reply-To: <48FA45B3.4080702@earthlink.net>
References: <48FA3CD4.1090909@earthlink.net> <48FA45B3.4080702@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <130D817E448144CAAD3A116199F5942E@PC>

Really?

Then why did someone from the campaign tell the press that she was 
definately not going?

ML




From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Oct 18 14:17:47 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:17:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Debate Cancellation official
Message-ID: <48FA527B.3070908@charter.net>

http://cupolitics.org/presidential_debate.html

__
CPU Sponsored Presidential Debate (Sunday, Oct 19) Cancelled
It is with great regret that we must inform you that the Presidential 
debate scheduled for this Sunday evening, hosted by the Columbia 
Political Union (CPU), will not be taking place.

Unfortunately, the nature of planning large-scale events with multiple 
participants, who at times have competing interests, is that nothing is 
ever set in stone until the very last moment. Such was the case with 
this event. Due to circumstances beyond our control, several of the 
candidates decided not to participate in the debate at the last minute. 
Though the CPU Executive Board worked tirelessly over the last 48 hours 
to make this event happen as planned, at 5 PM today we were finally 
forced to conclude it was no longer possible for us to host this event.

There is more that is worth reading... but this is the important fact.

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 18 15:48:07 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Third party debate
References: <48FA3CD4.1090909@earthlink.net> <48FA45B3.4080702@earthlink.net>
	<130D817E448144CAAD3A116199F5942E@PC>
Message-ID: <48FA67A7.8070806@earthlink.net>



Mark A. Lause wrote:

> Really?
> 
> Then why did someone from the campaign tell the press that she was 
> definately not going?
> 
> ML
> 
> 
> 


What her website ( http://votetruth08.com/ ) says is that she
will not participate in the Columbia event, but she is available
for another event.

And there is no evidence yet, that I am aware of, that anyone
else will participate in the other event.

Gerry








From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 18 15:48:47 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:48:47 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Debate Cancellation official
References: <48FA527B.3070908@charter.net>
Message-ID: <48FA67CF.8060502@earthlink.net>


Wes,

than you for this info,

Gerry


Wes Rolley wrote:

> http://cupolitics.org/presidential_debate.html
> 
> __
> CPU Sponsored Presidential Debate (Sunday, Oct 19) Cancelled
> It is with great regret that we must inform you that the Presidential 
> debate scheduled for this Sunday evening, hosted by the Columbia 
> Political Union (CPU), will not be taking place.
> 
> Unfortunately, the nature of planning large-scale events with multiple 
> participants, who at times have competing interests, is that nothing is 
> ever set in stone until the very last moment. Such was the case with 
> this event. Due to circumstances beyond our control, several of the 
> candidates decided not to participate in the debate at the last minute. 
> Though the CPU Executive Board worked tirelessly over the last 48 hours 
> to make this event happen as planned, at 5 PM today we were finally 
> forced to conclude it was no longer possible for us to host this event.
> 
> There is more that is worth reading... but this is the important fact.
> 
> 




From andid at cagreens.org  Sat Oct 18 17:13:38 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:13:38 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Nader was on C-SPAN Last Night re Wall Street
	Rally (EOM)
Message-ID: <049B8C2D-9F6A-4CDF-AC14-C619D40C765D@cagreens.org>




From andid at cagreens.org  Sat Oct 18 17:52:08 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:52:08 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers for Congress Yard Signs
In-Reply-To: <02756D39-1EB9-4CB4-971A-263DC25395BE@gmail.com>
References: <02756D39-1EB9-4CB4-971A-263DC25395BE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65DBA497-F3D9-4B7D-BCDD-C03763230B4A@cagreens.org>

Peter, I caught KQEDs candidates show in time to hear your Republican  
opponent Joyce Condi speak.  Not inspiring and a Repugnicant to  
boot!  No contest.  What about the Democrat? I didn't hear that part  
as I was pretty late tuning in.

Libertarian Steven Wells in District 16 sounds pretty good?almost  
Green?if you don't know how heartless the pure Libertarian doctrine  
really is; lucky he's not in your district, eh?

Andrea

On Oct 18, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Peter Myers wrote:

> Hey Greens-
>
> I've got some fantastic looking yard signs, but only a quarter of them
> have homes so far. Please e-mail at peter at myersforcalifornia.com or
> call me at 408-242-4212 if you live in the 15th District (currently
> Honda) and would like a sign.
>
> - Peter
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>



From pmyers42 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 21:20:23 2008
From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:20:23 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] DIY Canvassing Opportunities for Peter Myers for
	Congress Campaign
Message-ID: <63CDAB0A-BEA9-43A4-B28F-5CADB874D528@gmail.com>

It's the final couple weeks in the campaign, and a lot of people are  
wondering how they can help. I've just placed the PDF files for both  
my campaign flyers and 8.5x11 window signs. This way, you can print  
out your own sign for your window, or print out dozens or hundreds of  
flyers to hand out in neighborhoods in the district.

You can download the sign at http://www.myersforcalifornia.com/flyers/myers85x11.pdf 
  and the flyer can be downloaded http://www.myersforcalifornia.com/flyers/myersflyerenglish.pdf 
  .

E-mail me at peter at myersforcalifornia.com or call me at 408-242-4212  
to let me know where you're putting things.

Thanks for you help.
	- Peter


From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sun Oct 19 23:04:39 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:04:39 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers for Congress Yard Signs
In-Reply-To: <02756D39-1EB9-4CB4-971A-263DC25395BE@gmail.com>
References: <02756D39-1EB9-4CB4-971A-263DC25395BE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FC1F77.8090009@aceweb.com>

I've decided for the next three weeks I'm going to forward a Green Party
thing for every third republicrat spam I get from one of them. Why not
be a third their guilt level? I figure if it didn't work they wouldn't
do it. Let's stir it up in cyberspace!

Peter Myers wrote:
> Hey Greens-
> 
> I've got some fantastic looking yard signs, but only a quarter of them  
> have homes so far. Please e-mail at peter at myersforcalifornia.com or  
> call me at 408-242-4212 if you live in the 15th District (currently  
> Honda) and would like a sign.
> 
> - Peter
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I still have about 97 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
October's San Jose Bike Party: I lost a couple of beautiful tomatoes.


From cbrouillet at igc.org  Tue Oct 21 08:25:58 2008
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:25:58 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Brouillet for Congress News- SF Rally Thursday
Message-ID: <E1KsJ7N-00019g-ED@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dear fellow Greens,

A friend just told me that my candidate's statement at 
http://my.ktvu.com/kickapps/_Carol-Brouillet-G-Dist-14/video/352475/6704.html 
was rated the Top Favorite Video (with the most views) on KTVU's website.

We just finished a TV Ad which will be shown in District 14 soon. I 
have been getting unexpected help from some talented people, 
including a webmaster who has updated my campaign website 
http://www.carol4congress.org  and is teaching me joomla.

I plan on going to San Francisco to the Impeachment Rally on 
Thursday, (leaving here at 11 am, returning around 1 pm) with lots of 
banners, and our sound system.  If anyone would like a ride- please 
let me know- the more the merrier.  We will also be doing a press 
conference and give out DVDs of the new ad to the press, soon- so if 
anyone could attend, support me at a local rally- please let me know 
and I'll announce details as soon as I figure them out.

I still have some Cynthia McKinney yard signs and wires available.

Carol Brouillet, cbrouillet at igc.org, 650-857-0927



From andid at cagreens.org  Tue Oct 21 15:17:15 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:17:15 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] UN Assoc Film Festival @ Stanford!
Message-ID: <B5E0E30C-FDED-4E71-8CC6-3939B2BEDC62@cagreens.org>

It's going on now and continues until Sunday the 26th of October.
Theme:  Blue Planet/Green Planet.

More info online www.unaff.org
Andi


From andid at cagreens.org  Tue Oct 21 19:52:42 2008
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:52:42 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: Fairgrounds Meeting Oct 22 with Co
	Supervisors: Developer or Community Driven?
References: <004601c933db$57907870$d075cf62@gatewaysystem>
Message-ID: <46DFC0B4-42B6-43A3-9B38-47CD6BCEBCF6@cagreens.org>



Begin forwarded message:
>
> Subject: Fairgrounds Meeting Oct 22 with Co Supervisors: Developer  
> or Community Driven?
>
> Santa Clara County Friends:
> We need hundreds of people at this Oct. 22 special Fairgrounds  
> meeting with the County Board of Supervisors to stop the developer  
> driven county agenda for our Fairgrounds!  This meeting will  
> determine the process and if we will be able to keep our Fairgrounds.
>
> The land on which the Fairgrounds sits represents a nonrenewable  
> public land resource.  The 150 acre Fairgrounds site is the most  
> utilized of Santa Clara County's public lands with 750,000 visiting  
> the Fairgrounds in 2007.  It also has the County?s most diverse  
> cultural, expos, fairs, and trade shows in a part of the valley  
> that has no large open space.  Because of its large size and  
> central location, the Fairgrounds could become the gem of the  
> County's network of public lands.
>
> Please tell as many people who live in Santa Clara County as  
> possible about this meeting.  We will have "Talking Points" at the  
> door and on our website which you can use to either speak at the  
> meeting or write the Supervisors.
>
> Friends of Fairgrounds (FOF), a coalition of Santa Clara County  
> residents and businesses, believes that transforming the  
> Fairgrounds into a source of even greater benefits for the County  
> will require creative community based planning, adequate financing,  
> and effective management.  FOF will make the following  
> recommendations at the special Fairgrounds October 22nd Board of  
> Supervisor meeting:
>
> Appoint a Citizens Advisory Taskforce to gather public input and  
> assist the Board in determining possible uses for the Fairgrounds.
> Suspend all negotiations with the developer, Catellus, until the  
> CAC completes the process of public input and research and makes a  
> formal recommendation to the BOS.
> Please tell as many Santa Clara County residents as possible about  
> this meeting and ask them to support FOF's recommendations.  There  
> will be "Talking Points" at the door and on the website,  
> www.friendsofsccfairgrounds.org.  They can be used to either speak  
> at the meeting or write the Supervisors.  Thank you.
>
> WHEN:                        Wednesday, October 22nd, 2008, 6:30 pm
>
> WHERE:                     Santa Clara County Building, Board  
> Chambers (1st floor)
>                                       70 West Hedding St., San  
> Jose, CA 95110
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Oct 22 12:50:46 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:50:46 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Visit to a Doctors Without Borders refugee camp
	in San Francisco
Message-ID: <48FF8416.8000402@aceweb.com>

Over the years I've heard about Doctors Without Borders (MSF) in the
news many times. They have a traveling refugee camp/road show that came
through San Francisco last weekend. You can see what I saw there at:

http://tian.greens.org/SanFrancisco/MedecinsSansFrontieres/index.html
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I still have about 94 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 22 23:16:27 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:16:27 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Nader the Debater Live on C-Span Tomorrow
	Night]
Message-ID: <490016BB.3040402@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Gerry


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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Thu Oct 23 15:30:01 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:30:01 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Victory Is Near: We Need You Now!]
Message-ID: <4900FAE9.3010100@aceweb.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Victory Is Near: We Need You Now!
Date: 	Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:02:32 -0700
From: 	Peter Drekmeier <Peter at Tuolumne.org>
To: 	undisclosed-recipients:;



Dear Friends,

In just one week. the SFPUC will make its final decision on the Water
System Improvement Program (WSIP).  Will they choose a program that
would divert up to 25 million more gallons of water per day from the
Tuolumne River, or will they cap diversions at current levels and
encourage water conservation and recycling to meet future demand?

We're so close to victory, but we need your help in the home stretch.
  Here's what you can do:

1)  Attend one or both of the public hearings on Thursday, October 30.
  The SF Planning Commission will meet at 1:30pm in Room 400 at City Hall
to discuss, and possibly certify, the Final Program Environmental Impact
Report (FPEIR).  At 5pm (please note new time), the SFPUC will meet in
Room 263 at City Hall to choose a WSIP option.  We're encouraging them
to adopt the Phased WSIP, which would come close to capping diversions
until at least 2018, with an amendment to remove a clause that would
allow the diversion of another 2 million gallons of water per day
(enough to fill 80 swimming pools every day).  If you can only attend
one hearing, the 5pm SFPUC meeting is probably more important.

SF City Hall is located at 1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, San
Francisco.  For directions,
visit http://www.sfgov.org/site/cityhall_index.asp?id=5244

2)  Write a letter to the SFPUC encouraging them to adopt the Phased
WSIP with an amendment to remove the clause that would allow the
diversion of 2 million more gallons per day from the Tuolumne.  The
address is: Ann Moller Caen, President; SFPUC; 1145 Market Street; San
Francisco, CA 94103.  Emails can be sent to MHoush at sfwater.org
<mailto:MHoush at sfwater.org>.  Talking points are available
at 
http://www.tuolumne.org/content/fmd/files/Write%20a%20Letter%20to%20the%20SFPUC.pdf

If you do not have time to write your own letter, please send a form
letter by
visiting 
http://www.tuolumne.org/content/staticpages/index.php/letter_commissioners

3)  Turn your comments into a letter to the editor.  For newspaper
contact information, please
visit 
http://www.tuolumne.org/content/fmd/files/2008%2008%20Write%20a%20letter%20to%20the%20editor.pdf

4)  Make a donation to the Tuolumne River Trust to help us continue our
work.  You can do so online
at https://secure.groundspring.org/dn/index.php?id=1706 or you can send
a check to: Tuolumne River Trust; 111 New Montgomery, #205; San
Francisco, CA 94105.

5)  Forward this message to your friends.

*Other Resources*

TRT Television Ad - http://savethetuolumne.blip.tv/#1312592

A great article about the issue - http://www.tuolumne.org/blog/?p=29

FPEIR - http://www.sfgov.org/site/planning_index.asp?id=80530

TRT Canoe Trips
- http://www.tuolumne.org/content/article.php/20081009085452220

Thank you for all your support!  Please take action now to help protect
the "wild and scenic" Tuolumne River.

-Peter

P.S.  There will be another opportunity to help the Tuolumne in
November.  The Trust is partnering with the San Francisco Green Festival
to educate people in the Bay Area about the source of their tap water.
  A 3-day "Party with a Purpose," the Green Festival draws some 40,000
people every year.  It is a "bottled water-free" event, and this year
Tuloumne River Trust volunteers will staff the tap-water station - as we
fill up water bottles, we'll encourage them to help protect the
Tuolumne.  Volunteers will get a free pass to the entire 3 day festival;
see _http://www.greenfestivals.org/san-francisco-2008/_ for program and
more information.

We're looking for volunteers to help with the following shifts:



Friday, Nov. 14th: 11:30am-4:00pm
Saturday, Nov. 15th: 10:00am-3:00pm, 2:30pm-7:00pm
Sunday Nov. 16th: 3:00pm-7:30pm



-----------------------------
Peter Drekmeier
Bay Area Program Director
Tuolumne River Trust
111 New Montgomery, #205
San Francisco, CA 94105
(415) 882-7252 x 302
peter at tuolumne.org <mailto:peter at tuolumne.org>
http://www.tuolumne.org/bayarea


-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
I still have about 93 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
I saw art in San Jose State's art dept. yesterday. Ceramics and collage.


From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Oct 24 14:30:33 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:30:33 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] All Hail the Farmer in Chief
Message-ID: <49023E79.40204@charter.net>

At California Greening, I explain why I think that the most important 
cabinet appointment by the next president just may be that of Secretary 
of Agriculture.

http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2008/10/all-hail-farmer-in-chief.html

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sat Oct 25 00:33:44 2008
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:33:44 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [G-C-F] FW: Court issues stay of execution
 for Troy Davis | ajc.com]
Message-ID: <4902CBD8.8070306@aceweb.com>

Since the guy is from Georgia and Cynthia McKinney's name comes up when 
Georgia is mentioned. I thought I'd forward this.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [G-C-F] FW: Court issues stay of execution for Troy Davis | ajc.com
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:49:41 -0700
From: henry duke <henryduke2004 at yahoo.com>
To: 'California Greens' <cal-forum at cagreens.org>



-----Original Message-----
From: Elaine Brown [mailto:et]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:00 PM
To: Troy Davis Clemency
Subject: Court issues stay of execution for Troy Davis | ajc.com

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/stories/2008/10/24/troy_davis_stay.htm
l?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab&imw=Y




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I still have about 72 "POWER TO THE PEOPLE - McKinney 2008" stickers.
Yesterday I saw Cindy Sheehan march around the San Francisco Chronicle.


From pmyers42 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 10:22:05 2008
From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:22:05 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Election Night Party at BJ's in Cupertino
Message-ID: <E2F73857-8E20-4829-AE67-E96ECA087B93@gmail.com>

Hey everyone-

Carol and I will be having a joint election night party for our two  
campaigns at BJ's Restaurant on De Anza Blvd in Cupertino. We need an  
estimated head count, so if you'd like to come, please RSVP to peter at myersforcalifornia.com 
.

The cost will be $15 per person, not including drinks.

I hope everyone can make it to this final day of a two great  
campaigns. Please RSVP as soon as you can.

- Peter


From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Oct 25 14:18:27 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:18:27 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Election Night Party at BJ's in Cupertino
In-Reply-To: <E2F73857-8E20-4829-AE67-E96ECA087B93@gmail.com>
References: <E2F73857-8E20-4829-AE67-E96ECA087B93@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49038D23.9040600@charter.net>

Peter Myers wrote:

This sounds great.  I won't be able to make it, but urge everyone who 
can to be there.  Remember, we have County Supervisors who are going to 
be term-limited out in the next election and just maybe the candidate 
will come from those who make this party.

Having said that, I will be joining a nationwide group of bloggers at 
Green Change who will be reporting on Green results from across the 
nation and will have a chat room open where we can discuss "where do we 
go from here."

If you can't make the party with Carol and Peter, join us at Green Change. 

http://www.greenchange.org/


> Hey everyone-
>
> Carol and I will be having a joint election night party for our two campaigns at BJ's Restaurant on De Anza Blvd in Cupertino. We need an estimated head count, so if you'd like to come, please RSVP to peter at myersforcalifornia.com 
> .
>
> The cost will be $15 per person, not including drinks.
>
> I hope everyone can make it to this final day of a two great  
> campaigns. Please RSVP as soon as you can.
>
> - Peter
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>   


-- 
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Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Oct 26 14:27:28 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:27:28 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Multiple subjects, one note.
Message-ID: <4904E0C0.4020009@charter.net>

First. it appears that Mark Sanchez is going to need a last minute surge 
to win his Board of Supervisor's seat.  His main opponent is not from 
the community, but has descended from the Heights to his lawyer's office 
and the Dem. County Committee.  Big bucks are available and are being 
used to paint a pretty conservative Dem as a "progressive". 

I hear that polling puts this race in a dead heat.   You can help by 
donating anything you can online. http://www.marksanchez.org/donate.html

This is a very winnable race.

Second.  Van Jones's new book, the Green Collar Economy has showed up in 
the SC County Library System as being newly acquired.  Eight Copies were 
ordered and there are 6 requests already.   San Jose has ordered one 
copy for most branches, but it has not show up yet.  This book is #4 on 
the SF Chronicle best seller list.






-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From cbrouillet at igc.org  Mon Oct 27 09:29:49 2008
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Press Conference Tuesday- Carol Brouillet for
 Congress TV Ad Launch
Message-ID: <E1KuUyT-0004CK-Mo@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Dear activists and friends,

Thank-you for all your work and support on many, many issues! Despite 
all the obstacles, I am running for Congress as a Green Party 
candidate, again, and we will be showing a TV ad over 200 times in 
the next week in California's 14th District. Please take a look at it 
on YouTube  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNF4CMIY8uk - and pass it 
on. The text of the ad is:

On 9/11, three skyscrapers were felled by two planes, World Trade 
Center 7, the Patriot Act, the financial crash, the bailout, all 
share characteristics of controlled demolitions,  criminal fraud, and 
treason. We the people, need the courage to seek and speak the truth. 
We need to investigate the big lies. We need to arrest, impeach the 
terrorists.  We need to defend our Constitution, our rights, our 
lives. I am Carol Brouillet, Green Party Candidate for Congress and I 
approve this message. Vote Green for truth, peace and justice.

We will also hold a press conference at Eshoo's office,  Tuesday 
morning, October 28th, 10am- 10:30 am, 698 Emerson Street in Downtown 
Palo Alto, where we will show the ad on a laptop, pass out DVDs to 
the press, I will speak and answer questions. (I did write a long 
paper on 9/11 and the financial crisis- Evolution of the Apocalypse- 
Empire's Demise- Human Renaissance posted at- 
http://questioningwar-organizingresistance.blogspot.com/ ).

It would be great, if people who care about the issues could come and 
support me. We have signs (including yard signs for Cynthia MCKinney 
and for me), but Impeachment, 9/11 Truth, war, peace, the financial 
bailout, defending rights and the Constitution signs would be most 
welcome.  I will also be giving away free copies of our DVD- Behind 
Every Terrorist- There is a Bush to anyone who would like one, and 
Deception Dollars, campaign literature...

A talented guy created a new campaign website for me at 
http://www.carol4congress.org, unfortunately the site has been down 
since yesterday, and I don't know what the problem is- just another 
obstacle for me to overcome.

The unfolding crisis/election is, however, an opportunity to question 
and change the systems that have been so destructive. I hope that my 
campaign, Cynthia's campaign, and the campaigns of other 
candidates/organizers/activists/researchers will help people see 
through the false hope constructed by Democratic/Republican/Corporate 
Media Circus, get us off the warpath, and redirect energy and effort 
into truth telling, and the healthy alternatives that could blossom 
from the compost of imperial overreach.

My appreciation for your time, attention and any help you can offer 
at this late moment.

Carol Brouillet, cbrouillet at igc.org
http://www.communitycurrency.org
650-857-0927



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 28 07:23:17 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:23:17 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Multiple subjects, one note.
References: <4904E0C0.4020009@charter.net>
Message-ID: <49072055.80908@earthlink.net>



Wes Rolley wrote:

> First. it appears that Mark Sanchez is going to need a last minute surge 
> to win his Board of Supervisor's seat.  His main opponent is not from 
> the community, but has descended from the Heights to his lawyer's office 
> and the Dem. County Committee.  Big bucks are available and are being 
> used to paint a pretty conservative Dem as a "progressive". 
> 
> I hear that polling puts this race in a dead heat.   You can help by 
> donating anything you can online. http://www.marksanchez.org/donate.html
> 
> This is a very winnable race.
> 
> Second.  Van Jones's new book, the Green Collar Economy has showed up in 
> the SC County Library System as being newly acquired.  Eight Copies were 
> ordered and there are 6 requests already.   San Jose has ordered one 
> copy for most branches, but it has not show up yet.  This book is #4 on 
> the SF Chronicle best seller list.
> 


Palo Alto has 2 copies and 6 holds.  When I placed my hold
about a week ago, there were 3 or 4 holds.

I guess it will take a while before they get to the shelves.

Gerry




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 28 07:26:43 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:26:43 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: A special request for Mark and Jesse]
Message-ID: <49072123.6010406@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: A special request for Mark and Jesse
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:19:53 -0700
From: Marnie Glickman <marnie at greenchange.com>
To: sacramento at cagreens.org, sanbenito at cagreens.org,
sanbernadino at cagreens.org, sandiego at cagreens.org,
sanfrancisco at cagreens.org, sanjoaquin at cagreens.org,
sanluisobispo at cagreens.org, sanmateo at cagreens.org,
dalycity at cagreens.org, stanford at cagreens.org, santabarbara at cagreens.org
CC: santaclara at cagreens.org, santacruz at cagreens.org,
larry at santacruzgreenparty.org, shasta at cagreens.org,
siskiyou at cagreens.org, tulare at cagreens.org, tuolomne at cagreens.org,
ventura at cagreens.org, yolo at cagreens.org, info at ucdgreens.org,
yuba at cagreens.org



(Hi.  Can you forward this to your listserv?  Thanks, Marnie Glickman,
Co-chair of the Marin Greens.)


Dear Green friends,



Two courageous Green leaders urgently need your help now:  Mark Sanchez
of California and Jesse Johnson of West Virginia.



I just made a contribution to each of their campaigns.   I?m asking you
to do the same today.



Mark Sanchez is running for election to the San Francisco Board of
Supervisors.  He is currently president of the San Francisco Board of
Education and a public school teacher. Mark is a strong advocate for
renewable energy, public power, rooftop gardens and creating more open
spaces.  He is a proud to be one of the city?s openly gay public
officials.  Mark is in a dead heat with his lead opponent.



Mark must raise $15,000 by Wednesday so he can print a crucial campaign
brochure for his get-out-the-vote campaign.



Send Mark $25, $250 or anything you can afford today
at http://www.marksanchez.org/donate.html.


If you want to know more, watch this video of Mark
at http://tinyurl.com/65egnd  or visit his website
at http://www.marksanchez.org <http://www.marksanchez.org/>.

Jesse Johnson is running for Governor of West Virginia. He is the only
candidate in the race who opposes mountaintop mining.  According to the
Sierra Club, ?Mountaintop removal mining ? has already buried more than
1,200 miles of streams and threatens to destroy 1.4 million acres of
land by 2020.?   His campaign must succeed to keep West Virginia
communities and landscapes from being destroyed by the ruthless coal
mining industry.

Jesse needs to raise $5,000 by Wednesday so he can purchase a week?s
worth of radio ads on each of the biggest major radio stations in West
Virginia.

Send Jesse $25, $250 or anything you can afford today
at http://www.jesse4wvgov.org <http://www.jesse4wvgov.org/>.

Watch this video of Jesse at http://tinyurl.com/698b47 or visit Jesse?s
website at http://www.jesse4wvgov.org <http://www.jesse4wvgov.org/> if
you want to learn more.

After you make your contributions, send this email to your friends and
family.

You can make sure these two amazing Green candidates win their campaigns.

Their campaigns depend on you and your generosity.

Give what you can today.

Peace,

Marnie Glickman

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Marnie Glickman

Executive director

Green Change


www.greenchange.org <http://www.greenchange.org>

503.313.7919 w

707.313.7919 f

skype: marnieglickman


My Green Change page:

http://network.greenchange.org/people/marnie


Green Change is a community of people with Green values:  justice,
grassroots democracy, sustainability and non-violence.  We work together
to share Green art, politics and culture.


















From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue Oct 28 09:05:51 2008
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Collar Economy
Message-ID: <444651.28743.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wes raises an important issue: checking books out of the library is much Greener than buying a book you're only going to read once. Unfortunately, authors are not paid for the number of times their books are checked out. And not being paid does not encourage people to write more books. By all means, read library books. But, if you're impressed and you want to keep the message moving, send the author $5.
Caroline
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 09:27:55 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:27:55 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Pelosi on Michael Krasny on KQED 88.5 FM 9 am Wed?
Message-ID: <BAY115-W170FF9F4E93AAE80FA5339E270@phx.gbl>



I'm pretty sure Michael Krasny said this morning that he's 
having The Nance in tomorrow.  I don't see anything on the
KQED website about tomorrow yet.
866-SF-Forum
866-733-6786forum at kqed.org

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 28 11:19:42 2008
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:19:42 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Important Action Alert from Cindy for
	Congress]
Message-ID: <490757BE.7090609@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Important Action Alert from Cindy for Congress
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:43:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cindy for Congress <contact at CindyforCongress.org>
Reply-To: email at cindyforcongress.org
To: gerrygras at earthlink.net


<clip>

Ca 8th District Congressional Candidate Trivia Challenge

Here is a political trivia challenge for you:

Question One: Which Candidate has only one visible window sign up in the
district and rents a "campaign office" from her millionaire-real estate
developer husband; sends most of the money she raises to other
candidates to consolidate her power; and refuses to debate her opponents
or even hold a town hall meeting in the district?

Question Two: Which Candidate had to collect 10,198 signatures to
historically gain ballot status; has 4000 window signs all over the
district; 12 staffers; hundreds of print, radio, and television ads;
75,000 mailers; has made 250,000 phone calls (robo and personal),
thousands of flyers handed out; 40,000 door hangers hung; dozens of
committed volunteers and the endorsement of the SF Bay Guardian, SF Bay
View, League of Pissed off Voters, League of Young Voters, the SF Green
Party, the SF and California Peace and Freedom Party among many others;
and has spent well over a half a million dollars campaigning in the
district?

If you guessed Nancy Pelosi and Cindy Sheehan, in that order, you get a
perfect score.

Cindy Sheehan is the only Congressional Candidate here in San Francisco
who is actively campaigning for the seat. If one's source of news is
only establishment outlets, you would think that Nancy Pelosi is
unopposed and there is no race here in the 8th District. Pelosi's record
is deplorable, but she is given a free pass here in the corporate
establishment media and she is able to find the time to hawk her book
and fundraise, but not to hold a town hall meeting here in the District
since 2006. Cindy Sheehan for Congress thinks that this, and her lack of
campaign, shows an incredible disrespect for the voters and for the
democratic process.

Now KQED, a so-called public broadcasting station, has given Nancy
Pelosi another chance to spout her talking points and tout her
incomprehensible capitulation to the Bush Administration and Wall Street
in an interview that she will be doing solo on Wednesday morning. In the
interest of "equal time" the station is "generously" allowing we other
three candidates a chance to debate each other (myself and the
Libertarian and Republican) after she is on by herself. Cindy for
Congress does not think that three for one is "equal time" and Cindy for
Congress believes that the only Congressional campaign here in the
District should get real one for one equal time, or KQED should sponsor
a real debate so Nancy Pelosi will have to talk about the issues.

KQED informed Cindy for Congress that they are not "focusing" on the
Congressional race this year.? Of course they aren't: Nancy Pelosi
actually has a fierce opponent. In fact, a site search of the KQED
website pulls up only one reference to the Cindy for Congress campaign
for the entire 14 months we have been in existence.

ACTION ALERT: Call (live call in number: 866 733 6786) The Forum with
Michael Krasny (between 9am and 11am PST every day) and demand equal
time for Cindy Sheehan and tell him that the Congressional race in Ca8
is important to you and that to be viewed as a credible journalist, he
should sponsor a debate between Nancy Pelosi and Cindy Sheehan.

Or call the comment number: 415 553 3300 and leave a message or email
forum at KQED.org

Join the Cindy for Congress campaign in front of the KQED studios 2601
Mariposa St, 94110 (Bryant & Mariposa) at 8:30am October 29th when Nancy
Pelosi is scheduled to appear, live and solo.




From cbrouillet at igc.org  Tue Oct 28 21:23:42 2008
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:23:42 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Press Coverage of 9/11 Truth, Green Party TV Ad
Message-ID: <E1Kv2ar-000692-2v@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

http://www.911blogger.com/node/18314


[]


Tuesday, October 28, 2008, a press conference was held in front of 
the incumbent, Anna Eshoo's office, the new 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNF4CMIY8uk>TV AD was shown to the 
only journalist, Don Kazak, who came to the pretty last minute event. 
I have known Don Kazak for years, he has written a few stories about 
my activism before. Here is what he wrote:

(Posted at 
<http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=9825>paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=9825)

Palo Altan Carol Brouillet, who is the Green Party candidate running 
against Rep. Anna Eshoo, D-Palo Alto, will get her message on TV with 
a 30-second ad scheduled to start running Wednesday.

Brouillet said the ads will run more than 200 times in the 14th 
Congressional District at or near prime time on cable channels CNN, 
Fox and CNBC. Because the ads are just running in the district, "they 
aren't that expensive," she said.

Brouillet has long been a critic of the government's explanation of 
what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, when the World Trade Towers were 
demolished by terrorists who hijacked commercial jetliners.

"A number of documentaries have questioned the official explanation 
of 9/11," Brouillet said. "Internationally, people are questioning 
the official story."

-- Don Kazak

If you could add a comment online, it would be appreciated. PS. We 
were passing out yard signs at the press conference for Cynthia 
McKinney and for Carol Brouillet, one woman, just passing by asked me 
if I was Cynthia and said that she had already voted for Cynthia, she 
was happy to get lawn signs for both of us to put up in her yard. (I 
still have signs for both McKinney and I, if anyone (local) would like one.)

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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 29 00:54:03 2008
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:54:03 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Press Coverage of 9/11 Truth,
 Green Party TV Ad
In-Reply-To: <E1Kv2ar-000692-2v@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1Kv2ar-000692-2v@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY115-W11CF3D85DA63C01CFF59369E260@phx.gbl>




And if anybody wants to post some softball (or hardball!)  questions about 
the Twin Towers or WTC7 there at the PaloAltoOnline I'll answer as best 
I can.  If I don't know, I'll say so.



Brian



Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:23:42 -0700
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
From: cbrouillet at igc.org
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Press Coverage of 9/11 Truth, Green Party TV Ad




http://www.911blogger.com/node/18314









Tuesday, October 28, 2008, a press conference was held in front of the
incumbent, Anna Eshoo's office, the new
TV AD was shown
to the only journalist, Don Kazak, who came to the pretty last minute
event. I have known Don Kazak for years, he has written a few stories
about my activism before. Here is what he wrote:


(Posted at

paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=9825)


Palo Altan Carol Brouillet, who is the Green Party candidate running
against Rep. Anna Eshoo, D-Palo Alto, will get her message on TV with a
30-second ad scheduled to start running Wednesday.


Brouillet said the ads will run more than 200 times in the 14th
Congressional District at or near prime time on cable channels CNN, Fox
and CNBC. Because the ads are just running in the district, "they
aren't that expensive," she said.


Brouillet has long been a critic of the government's explanation of what
happened on Sept. 11, 2001, when the World Trade Towers were demolished
by terrorists who hijacked commercial jetliners.


"A number of documentaries have questioned the official explanation
of 9/11," Brouillet said. "Internationally, people are
questioning the official story."


-- Don Kazak


If you could add a comment online, it would be appreciated. PS. We were
passing out yard signs at the press conference for Cynthia McKinney and
for Carol Brouillet, one woman, just passing by asked me if I was Cynthia
and said that she had already voted for Cynthia, she was happy to get
lawn signs for both of us to put up in her yard. (I still have signs for
both McKinney and I, if anyone (local) would like one.)






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From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Oct 29 16:47:12 2008
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:47:12 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Media
Message-ID: <4908F600.9040107@charter.net>

Make sure you take a look at Carol's spot TV ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNF4CMIY8uk

By 2010, this should be the major way we do all of our outreach.  The 
cost for cable has come way down to rates that you would not believe.


-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From pmyers42 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 21:09:48 2008
From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:09:48 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Peter Myers for Congress: Four More Days
Message-ID: <90BECDAA-79A5-45E7-AB3E-299F4A9E4D0E@gmail.com>

Thanks to all of you for your help so far this election. In these  
final days of the campaign, we need to let as many people know their  
options as fast as possible. Please join me in the final days by  
walking through a neighborhood and dropping off flyers at people's  
doors.

You can request flyers from me, or you can print out your own copy  
from http://myersforcalifornia.com/flyers/myersflyerenglish.pdf and  
make copies. 200 flyers (two per sheet) should cost you less than $10  
at Kinko's. Once you have your flyers, find any residential  
neighborhood you want in Milpitas, Alviso, Santa Clara, Cupertino,  
Campbell, Los Gatos or Gilroy and start walking it. We want as many  
flyers left at as many doorsteps as possible. After you've handed out  
flyers, e-mail me at peter at myersforcalifornia.com and let me know  
where you went.

Thank you again for your support this year. Let's finish the election  
strong and make a difference.

- Peter
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From pmyers42 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 21:10:51 2008
From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:10:51 -0700
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Election Night Party at BJ's in Cupertino
Message-ID: <C61350E8-4DD1-4C86-A0E1-FF8E4AB94DD9@gmail.com>

Hey everyone-

Carol and I will be having a joint election night party for our two  
campaigns at BJ's Restaurant on De Anza Blvd in Cupertino. We need an  
estimated head count, so if you'd like to come, please RSVP to peter at myersforcalifornia.com 
.

The cost will be $15 per person, not including drinks.

I hope everyone can make it to this final day of two great campaigns.  
Please RSVP as soon as you can.

- Peter
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