From alexcathy at aol.com Sun Feb 1 08:59:47 2009 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:59:47 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Link to Thoughtful Article by John Neumaier on Gaza Message-ID: <8CB52A59F39D862-14F4-20E1@WEBMAIL-MY36.sysops.aol.com> Check out a thoughtful article by my dear friend, John J. Neumaier, in New York. Please note that John came to this country from Germany as a teenager in the late 1930s. He has been a distinguished scholar and a civil rights and peace activist for decades. Alex Walker -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? -? - Published by the Kingston Daily Freeman, Kingston, New York, Sunday, February 1, 2009 "Reviewing the War Between Israel and Gaza" by John J. Neumaier REPORTS and opinion pieces about the bloody conflict between Israel and Hamas-led Gaza tend to be strongly colored by ideological perspectives. Whether they?re government spokespersons, media journalists, or Internet bloggers, all commentators are influenced by national, social, religious, economic, and political affiliations and backgrounds, as is their public. My own reactions to the killings, the brutal bombing campaign, and the massive suffering in this Mideast region are similarly influenced by my background, including having survived the Holocaust ? unlike my mother and many other relatives. SOME MAY think one?s background is irrelevant since what matters most are the ?facts.? But it?s the very facts that are in dispute, especially in war. Even when one side may be clearly in the right, no belligerent is without fl aws. As the Israeli peace activist Uri Avnery re cently put it, ?War ? every war ? is the realm of lies.? . . . URL: http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2009/02/01/opinion/doc4980a9161648b450069880.txt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Feb 2 00:24:27 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 00:24:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: The JESUS Machine In-Reply-To: <530067.98683.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <530067.98683.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51407.24.6.229.93.1233563067.squirrel@www.greens.org> Great point Edward! As a Christian myself I am obviously strongly against Dominionism. Dominionism is the self-label that these wackiligous unJesus-like shouldn't-be-called-Christians like Gerry Falwell (R.I.P.), Pat Robertson, have given themselves and their movement. I believe in calling them out for their opposition to Jesus. One of my liberal friends ( who is not a subscriber to any particular religion) once pleaded with me to talk to Falwell, Robertson and their ilk because maybe they would give me standing to talk to them (me being a Christian). My friend wanted *someone* to reason with these unreasonable people. While I was very, very, very sympathetic with her plea I was extremely skeptical that they would listen to me, because as a Progressive Christian, I knew they would take one look at me and instantly turn off their hearing aids. That's because they themselves are not Christians and not followers of Jesus. Real Jesus that is. Real Jesus was adamantly opposed to everything these Dominionists stand for. Real Jesus is a man of Peace. So much so the New Testament calls him the 'Prince of Peace'. The Dominionists are warmongers and they know zip about any Prince of Peace, nor would they want to know. They are idolators of power and want nothing to do with the real Jesus or Jesus' God. They worship a (IMO satanic) god of Domination. I call their idol AntiJesus (although AntiChrist or UnJesus would work too). World Domination is what they love about, not loving God, loving your neighbor and loving yourself. As a matter of fact about the only critique I have of this "The JESUS Machine" book and its message is that it is entirely inaccurate to label it 'Jesus' anything. I think it would be better called 'The AntiJesus Machine', because AntiJesus is who the Dominionists worship, not Jesus. The Christian Church collectively has totally fallen down on its job of not confronting and exposing these wolves in sheep's clothing/false prophets. Tragically many weak-minded ignorant Christian's have been sucked and suckered into following these prophets of hell and fallen away from Jesus in so doing. The result being among other things the last eight years of NeoCon Amerikkka. The Church has blown it big time and all humanity, indeed the whole Earth has been made to suffer as a result. As a Christian, as a follower of Jesus (Real Jesus that is, not the AntiJesus of the Dominionists), I can only hang my head in shame and get right about the business or righting wrongs, even though so much crime has already been committed in 'Jesus' name. Along those lines I've committed myself to delivering a rebuke to Pastor Rick Warren for us unJesus-like attitudes towards Gays and his subsequent misleading of millions of Christians away from Jesus' loving, inclusiveness towards ALL, be they hetero-, bi- trans-, a- or homosexual. I've actually met and talked with Pastor Warren so I think I might have a little standing w/ him. This action could be a first action that our group took so if any of y'all would like to help me out in delivering this rebuke, I'd greatly appreciate it. btw I run an e-mail list called 'GreenJesus' for Green Party members who are followers of Jesus. Just ask if me you'd like to join. Jesus is green! Drew On Fri, January 30, 2009 11:30, Edward wrote: > In the defence of Christians, Christianity is not a homogeneous group. > There are many Christians who were against the War in Iraq (e.g. Pope John > Paul II), defended the rights of those oppressed by American imperialism > (e.g. Archbishop Oscar Romero), worked with the poor (e.g. Dorothy Day), > and the list goes on. Christianity is about promoting all aspects of life, > not just the issues that the Christian Right prioritise. > > In fact, the Catholic Church has been a big critic of capitalism and > totalitarianism, first set forth in Pope Leo XIII's encyclical Rerum > Novarum. There's a fairly good article on Wikipedia that gives an > introduction to Catholic Social Teaching. > > -Edward From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Feb 2 07:18:46 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:18:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Simple Action to Save Planet and Humynity!!! Message-ID: <52084.24.6.229.93.1233587926.squirrel@www.greens.org> Dear Ones, In the final days of their administration, President Bush and Vice President Cheney admitted they authorized "enhanced interrogation" of prisoners, specifically including waterboarding. But "enhanced interrogation" is simply a euphemism for torture, which was so severe that it caused the deaths of at least 70 prisoners. Additionally these organized crime masterminds killed over 1.2 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan (not to mention America itself) by committing War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity and the worst in the eyes of international law, Crimes Against Peace (ie. Aggressive, unprovoked 'preemptive' wars of conquest against nations/peoples -- ie. 'The Bush Doctrine'!!! Yes, did you realize that "The Bush Doctrine" is simply a restatement of the very definition of Crime Against Peace as defined in International Law such as the United Nations Charter! For more on this see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_against_peace ). They are contemporary Stalin/Hitler/Pol Pot/Saddam Husseins! These alleged crimes MUST be investigated and prosecuted. Short of ... 1) finally impeaching BushCheney and their henchmen/women and thereby a) NULLIFYING BUSH's unconstitutional ACTIONS including ALL HIS SIGNING STATEMENTS, HIS EXECUTIVE ORDERS, ALL HIS APPOINTMENTS INCLUDING HIS SUPREME COURT AND APPELLATE COURT APPOINTMENTS, AND NUMEROUS EXECUTIVE BRANCH APPOINTMENTS; b) stripping them of any of their claims to 'executive privilege' that they are trying to hide behind to prevent prosecution, c) taking away their government pension d) and preventing them from ever again holding a government position!!! -- and by the way THERE'S NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON IMPEACHABILITY -- THE PERPS DO NOT EVEN NEED TO BE LIVING ANYMORE TO IMPEACH THEM. Maybe, just maybe the Dems will finally grow a pair and act against their fellow Duopoly criminals. Will miracles never cease??? I'm not holding my breath... OR 2) ARRESTING THEM AND DELIVERING THEM DIRECTLY TO THE HAGUE FOR PROSECUTION BY THE INTERNATIONAL COURT, (and I'm sure there are a number of citizens out there who are planning a citizen's arrest to effect this action even as you're reading this)... 3) the appointment of a Special Prosecutor is the only way we can bring America to a new place of moral leadership in the community of nations and bring the American Empire, the Imperial Presidency and NeoCon (NeoNazi) run to a halt. The blood of literally millions of innocent humans cries out for you and me -- Americans -- to finally act to bring these at-large criminals to justice. Please join me in going to http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/AE19B/YR4X/AHjjp and signing this petition sponsored to call on Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a Special Prosecutor to prosecute those responsible for torture to the fullest extent of the law. "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Martin Luther King Jr., Letter from Birmingham Jail, April 16, 1963" MLK Peace WITH Justice for Humynity! Drew From carolineyacoub at att.net Mon Feb 2 14:29:59 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:29:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] tabling Message-ID: <219956.77211.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen mention of a tabling opportunity on February 5. I don't know any details or whether or not anyone is going to do it, but I have the canopy, the button machine,? the banner, the table and chairs, and most of the tabling materials. Let me know if you need them. Caroline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That action inflamed Iraqi anger towards all Americans. Tonight I will flyer before and after an 8:00 pm literary event at Kresge--would appreciate help if anyone can make it. (Note the flyer will accuse Condi of lying to the faces of the 9/11 widows when she said the "Bin Laden Determined to Strike" memo did not warn of new attacks.) Also I'll flyer White Plaza tomorrow (outside the book store) at noon, could use help. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 2 20:43:28 2009 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:43:28 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] PAUL ROBESON EVENT INFORMATION Message-ID: <4987CB70.2060805@sbcglobal.net> ?Before Barack Obama there was Martin Luther King, and before King there was Paul Robeson.? I went to high school in Peekskill, New York and was on the security line surrounding the Robeson concert that came to be called ?The Peekskill Riot.? The man, one of the greatest of the last Century has been a constant inspiration in my life. Tayo Aluko probes the life of Robeson and portrays the heart, soul, passion and courage of a man who has as much to offer us in our time as he did in his own time in the struggle for peace, economic and social justice and against racism. Fred Hirsch *_SAN JOSE_**_ AND BAY AREA TOUR DATES ARE AS FOLLOWS: _* *Friday February 6th*, 7.00 pm San Jose City College, *San Jose** *Discovering Robeson College Theater. 2100 Moorpark Ave General Public $10, Students $5 Tel 408 288 3190 Sunday February 8th. 7.00 p.m.La Pena, Berkeley, Discovering Robeson 3105 Shattuck Ave Berkeley Advance Tickets $12, Box Office 510 849 2568 x20 www.lapena.org Door $15, Seniors and Students $13 *Friday February 13th*. 7.00 p.m San Jose State University, *San Jose* Discovering Robeson Morris Dailey Auditorium Middle Campus Entrance E San Fernando and S. 6th Streets Admission $5 Email gvillagran at casa.sjsu.edu Sunday February 15th. 5.00 p.m Black Repertory Theatre, Berkeley Call Mr Robeson 3201 Adeline Tickets $20, $15 $12 for students. Tel: 800 838 3006 Friday - Sunday February 20 - 22 Phoenix Theatre, Call Mr Robeson 314 Mason Street 4th floor San Francisco Tickets $25/$20 Tel: 800 838 3006 Further details, contact: Mbali Creazzo: 415 710 5348 From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Feb 2 21:17:50 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:17:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Media Release Request re Oscar Grant murder Message-ID: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> The January General Meeting of the Santa Clara Greens expressed desire for the GPCA Media Committee to do a release on the Oscar Grant murder situation. Here's an official letter from one of our Councilors, Dana St. George that went out to the listed government agencies in the name of the Green Party of Santa Clara Co. I'm sure Dana would be up for taking a quote in any such release. Green is On it! Drew ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Letter re Oscar Grant murder From: "Dana St. George" Date: Thu, January 29, 2009 19:30 To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Greens, I wrote and sent letters stating that the GPSCC demanded that the BART policeman responsible for the death of Oscar Grant III be arrested and prosecuted. The letters were typed on plain bond paper and sent to: The District Attorney of Alameda County, BART Board of Directors BART Police Chief Gary Gee The letters were signed by me, for the Green Party of Sta. Clara County. Dana St. George From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Feb 2 21:33:40 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:33:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Single Payer Healthcare Coalition Rallied Today Outside Zoe Lofgren's Office Message-ID: <53014.24.6.229.93.1233639220.squirrel@www.greens.org> Today the Santa Clara County Single Payer Health Care Coalition held a rally at our so-called "Representative" Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren's office. Note that this coalition is one that the Santa Clara Greens helped start (Jim Doyle, Fred Duperrault and I went to the inaugural meeting which I myself helped come up with the coalition's name) and that we continue to participate in. Coalition -- its how we Greens operate. I also connected with and talked to Lynn Huidekoper on MLK/Freedom Train Day up in SF were she was busy promoting Single Payer to the folks gathered there. She's the Energizer Bunny of Single Payer Healthcare lobbying. Green is Coalition! Drew ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: URGENT: Come join us for a Single Payer pep Rally outside Zoe Lofgren's o... In a message dated 1/31/2009 7:30:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com writes: COME JOIN US MONDAY AM: ZOE LOFGREN'S OFFICE Monday, Feb. 2 10:15AM 635 No. First St. San Jose 95112 408-271-8700 Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren is meeting with a Single Payer delegation on Monday, 2/2 at 10:40AM for a 20 minute visit. The room can only hold 10 people. Katherine Bock from the Santa Clara County Single Payer Health Care Coalition and Low Income Self-Help Center is organizing the visit with representatives from labor, CNA, Labor Party, HCA, CWA, business, homeless and low income advocates, etc. Zoe has not met with us for 3 years even though we have tried. She has had her aide, Kathleen Collins, meet with us. She worked for Blue Cross and Medi-Cal. At the end of our visits she would hand us the health insurance industry brochure!! At a FORUM(Fed. of Retired Union Members) annual BBQ lmeeting ast April where all the local legislators come Kathleen said that "there were only 93 Congress Co-Sponsors so obviously there's not a lot of support for it!". I could barely hold myself from running over and strangling her!!! So join us to put pressure on her from the outside. We are planning to meet after the lobby visit at IHOP or somewhere nearby so the inside folks can fill us in on what Zoe said. I am planning on bringing some of my placards. Please bring any you might have. Let me know if you have any questions. Feel free to forward this to your folks. Lynn 650-322-9609 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Mon Feb 2 23:39:15 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:39:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: 18-24 year olds: Apply NOW for the Greenpeace Organizing Term! Message-ID: <53659.24.6.229.93.1233646755.squirrel@www.greens.org> Please pass on to any 18-24 year olds you think might be interested in this. Green is Peace! Drew ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Apply NOW for the Greenpeace Organizing Term! From: "Greenpeace" Date: Mon, February 2, 2009 05:42 The application deadline for the 2009 Summer and Fall semesters of the Greenpeace Organizing Term is approaching! We at Greenpeace are seeking students ready to be the newest leaders in the environmental movement. The Greenpeace Organizing Term is an action-packed semester of travel and the best hands-on training available to give students the skills needed to tackle global warming and other major environmental problems. While in the program, students will learn grassroots organizing, media, direct action, and campaign strategy so they can run successful campaigns back on campus. Best of all, students will put those new skills into practice by working on actual Greenpeace campaigns - in the U.S. and on the Greenpeace Expedition! Candidates must be 18-24 years of age and either a high school senior or an undergraduate at a college or university to apply. Most students receive college credit for the program, which is offered in Washington, D.C. and San Francisco, CA. If you're eligible, please apply - and if not or know someone who is, please forward this announcement to passionate students you know who are concerned about the environment and would be interested in participating in the program. We are currently accepting applications for the 2009 Summer and Fall semesters, and the deadline for application is February 15, 2009 For more information, email us at mailto:got at wdc.greenpeace.org. To apply, check out our website at: http://www.greenpeace.org/got For a greener future, Linda Capato Grassroots Recruitment Coordinator Greenpeace Organizing Term got at wdc.greenpeace.org P.S. Interested in a students perspective? Take it from Organizing Term Alum Kate: The Greenpeace Organizing Term taught me how to organize a community around a common goal. This is by far one of the most transferable skills that I have ever learned. I learned to think strategically, and will even find myself debriefing everyday activities. The Non-Violent Direct Action training completely reshaped the way I handle obstacles and issues, if even just to identify triggers in people and de-escalate and solve problems. I feel that I can take these skills with me no matter where I go. Kaitlin Finneran GOT Alum Spring 2008, San Francisco got at wdc.greenpeace.org Apply now for the Greenpeace Organizing Term http://www.greenpeace.org/got From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Feb 3 00:07:36 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:07:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-MediaComm] Media Release Request re Oscar Grant murder In-Reply-To: <4987F4B0.3070907@comcast.net> References: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> <4987F240.9070101@comcast.net> <4987F4B0.3070907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <53679.24.6.229.93.1233648456.squirrel@www.greens.org> Awesome (guess I missed it -- will go find it), I'll pass that along. And Bert of course we can and do releases, but since this one isn't an Santa Clara Co thing it is better either from Alameda or the state, yes? Green is Now! Drew On Mon, February 2, 2009 23:39, civillib at comcast.net wrote: > As I said, we did a release in early January - went statewide. > > Cres > > > Bert wrote: >> Drew, >> >> Pardon my buttin' in here, and I am not saying the state party shouldn't >> do one too, but y'all can obviously read and write: what is stopping the >> Santa Clara Greens from doing a press release all on their oddy-knocky? >> >> It's a grassroots party, yes? >> >> Bert >> >> Drew Johnson wrote: >>> The January General Meeting of the Santa Clara Greens expressed desire >>> for >>> the GPCA Media Committee to do a release on the Oscar Grant murder >>> situation. Here's an official letter from one of our Councilors, Dana >>> St. >>> George that went out to the listed government agencies in the name of >>> the >>> Green Party of Santa Clara Co. I'm sure Dana would be up for taking a >>> quote in any such release. >>> >>> >>> Green is On it! >>> >>> Drew >>> >>> ---------------------------- Original Message >>> ---------------------------- >>> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Letter re Oscar Grant murder >>> From: "Dana St. George" >>> Date: Thu, January 29, 2009 19:30 >>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Hi Greens, >>> >>> I wrote and sent letters stating that the GPSCC demanded that the BART >>> policeman >>> responsible for the death of Oscar Grant III be arrested and >>> prosecuted. >>> >>> The letters were typed on plain bond paper and sent to: >>> >>> The District Attorney of Alameda County, >>> BART Board of Directors >>> BART Police Chief Gary Gee >>> >>> The letters were signed by me, for the Green Party of Sta. Clara >>> County. >>> >>> Dana St. George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GPCA-MediaWG mailing list >>> GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> GPCA-MediaWG mailing list >> GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg >> > From civillib at comcast.net Mon Feb 2 23:19:52 2009 From: civillib at comcast.net (civillib at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:19:52 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-MediaComm] Media Release Request re Oscar Grant murder In-Reply-To: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> References: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: <4987F018.7060003@comcast.net> We issued a major release on January 9, 2009. Please see www.cagreens.org. We could issue a follow-up release. If you could forward the letter written by Dana that would help. Thanks, Cres Drew Johnson wrote: > The January General Meeting of the Santa Clara Greens expressed desire for > the GPCA Media Committee to do a release on the Oscar Grant murder > situation. Here's an official letter from one of our Councilors, Dana St. > George that went out to the listed government agencies in the name of the > Green Party of Santa Clara Co. I'm sure Dana would be up for taking a > quote in any such release. > > > Green is On it! > > Drew > > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Letter re Oscar Grant murder > From: "Dana St. George" > Date: Thu, January 29, 2009 19:30 > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Greens, > > I wrote and sent letters stating that the GPSCC demanded that the BART > policeman > responsible for the death of Oscar Grant III be arrested and prosecuted. > > The letters were typed on plain bond paper and sent to: > > The District Attorney of Alameda County, > BART Board of Directors > BART Police Chief Gary Gee > > The letters were signed by me, for the Green Party of Sta. Clara County. > > Dana St. George > > _______________________________________________ > GPCA-MediaWG mailing list > GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg > From truekahuna at comcast.net Mon Feb 2 23:29:04 2009 From: truekahuna at comcast.net (Bert) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:29:04 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-MediaComm] Media Release Request re Oscar Grant murder In-Reply-To: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> References: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: <4987F240.9070101@comcast.net> Drew, Pardon my buttin' in here, and I am not saying the state party shouldn't do one too, but y'all can obviously read and write: what is stopping the Santa Clara Greens from doing a press release all on their oddy-knocky? It's a grassroots party, yes? Bert Drew Johnson wrote: > The January General Meeting of the Santa Clara Greens expressed desire for > the GPCA Media Committee to do a release on the Oscar Grant murder > situation. Here's an official letter from one of our Councilors, Dana St. > George that went out to the listed government agencies in the name of the > Green Party of Santa Clara Co. I'm sure Dana would be up for taking a > quote in any such release. > > > Green is On it! > > Drew > > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Letter re Oscar Grant murder > From: "Dana St. George" > Date: Thu, January 29, 2009 19:30 > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Greens, > > I wrote and sent letters stating that the GPSCC demanded that the BART > policeman > responsible for the death of Oscar Grant III be arrested and prosecuted. > > The letters were typed on plain bond paper and sent to: > > The District Attorney of Alameda County, > BART Board of Directors > BART Police Chief Gary Gee > > The letters were signed by me, for the Green Party of Sta. Clara County. > > Dana St. George > > _______________________________________________ > GPCA-MediaWG mailing list > GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg > From civillib at comcast.net Mon Feb 2 23:39:28 2009 From: civillib at comcast.net (civillib at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:39:28 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-MediaComm] Media Release Request re Oscar Grant murder In-Reply-To: <4987F240.9070101@comcast.net> References: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> <4987F240.9070101@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4987F4B0.3070907@comcast.net> As I said, we did a release in early January - went statewide. Cres Bert wrote: > Drew, > > Pardon my buttin' in here, and I am not saying the state party shouldn't > do one too, but y'all can obviously read and write: what is stopping the > Santa Clara Greens from doing a press release all on their oddy-knocky? > > It's a grassroots party, yes? > > Bert > > Drew Johnson wrote: >> The January General Meeting of the Santa Clara Greens expressed desire for >> the GPCA Media Committee to do a release on the Oscar Grant murder >> situation. Here's an official letter from one of our Councilors, Dana St. >> George that went out to the listed government agencies in the name of the >> Green Party of Santa Clara Co. I'm sure Dana would be up for taking a >> quote in any such release. >> >> >> Green is On it! >> >> Drew >> >> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- >> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Letter re Oscar Grant murder >> From: "Dana St. George" >> Date: Thu, January 29, 2009 19:30 >> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hi Greens, >> >> I wrote and sent letters stating that the GPSCC demanded that the BART >> policeman >> responsible for the death of Oscar Grant III be arrested and prosecuted. >> >> The letters were typed on plain bond paper and sent to: >> >> The District Attorney of Alameda County, >> BART Board of Directors >> BART Police Chief Gary Gee >> >> The letters were signed by me, for the Green Party of Sta. Clara County. >> >> Dana St. George >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GPCA-MediaWG mailing list >> GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg >> > _______________________________________________ > GPCA-MediaWG mailing list > GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg > From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Feb 3 00:12:51 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:12:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-MediaComm] Media Release Request re Oscar Grant murder In-Reply-To: <4987F4B0.3070907@comcast.net> References: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> <4987F240.9070101@comcast.net> <4987F4B0.3070907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <53700.24.6.229.93.1233648771.squirrel@www.greens.org> I'm not finding it on the cagreens.org web site. URL please? or if its not up could we get it up? Green is Now! Drew On Mon, February 2, 2009 23:39, civillib at comcast.net wrote: > As I said, we did a release in early January - went statewide. > > Cres > > > Bert wrote: >> Drew, >> >> Pardon my buttin' in here, and I am not saying the state party shouldn't >> do one too, but y'all can obviously read and write: what is stopping the >> Santa Clara Greens from doing a press release all on their oddy-knocky? >> >> It's a grassroots party, yes? >> >> Bert >> >> Drew Johnson wrote: >>> The January General Meeting of the Santa Clara Greens expressed desire >>> for >>> the GPCA Media Committee to do a release on the Oscar Grant murder >>> situation. Here's an official letter from one of our Councilors, Dana >>> St. >>> George that went out to the listed government agencies in the name of >>> the >>> Green Party of Santa Clara Co. I'm sure Dana would be up for taking a >>> quote in any such release. >>> >>> >>> Green is On it! >>> >>> Drew >>> >>> ---------------------------- Original Message >>> ---------------------------- >>> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Letter re Oscar Grant murder >>> From: "Dana St. George" >>> Date: Thu, January 29, 2009 19:30 >>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Hi Greens, >>> >>> I wrote and sent letters stating that the GPSCC demanded that the BART >>> policeman >>> responsible for the death of Oscar Grant III be arrested and >>> prosecuted. >>> >>> The letters were typed on plain bond paper and sent to: >>> >>> The District Attorney of Alameda County, >>> BART Board of Directors >>> BART Police Chief Gary Gee >>> >>> The letters were signed by me, for the Green Party of Sta. Clara >>> County. >>> >>> Dana St. George >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GPCA-MediaWG mailing list >>> GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> GPCA-MediaWG mailing list >> GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg >> > From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Feb 3 00:16:28 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:16:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-MediaComm] Media Release Request re Oscar Grant murder In-Reply-To: <53700.24.6.229.93.1233648772.squirrel@www.greens.org> References: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> <4987F240.9070101@comcast.net> <4987F4B0.3070907@comcast.net> <53700.24.6.229.93.1233648772.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: <53707.24.6.229.93.1233648988.squirrel@www.greens.org> Oke dokey here it is: http://cagreens.org/press/pr090109.shtml Dana could you provide the text of the letter you sent? Cres mentioned the possibility of using that to do a follow up. Green is Justice! Drew On Tue, February 3, 2009 00:12, Drew Johnson wrote: > I'm not finding it on the cagreens.org web site. URL please? or if its > not up could we get it up? > > > Green is Now! > > Drew > > On Mon, February 2, 2009 23:39, civillib at comcast.net wrote: >> As I said, we did a release in early January - went statewide. >> >> Cres >> >> >> Bert wrote: >>> Drew, >>> >>> Pardon my buttin' in here, and I am not saying the state party >>> shouldn't >>> do one too, but y'all can obviously read and write: what is stopping >>> the >>> Santa Clara Greens from doing a press release all on their oddy-knocky? >>> >>> It's a grassroots party, yes? >>> >>> Bert >>> >>> Drew Johnson wrote: >>>> The January General Meeting of the Santa Clara Greens expressed desire >>>> for >>>> the GPCA Media Committee to do a release on the Oscar Grant murder >>>> situation. Here's an official letter from one of our Councilors, Dana >>>> St. >>>> George that went out to the listed government agencies in the name of >>>> the >>>> Green Party of Santa Clara Co. I'm sure Dana would be up for taking a >>>> quote in any such release. >>>> >>>> >>>> Green is On it! >>>> >>>> Drew >>>> >>>> ---------------------------- Original Message >>>> ---------------------------- >>>> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Letter re Oscar Grant murder >>>> From: "Dana St. George" >>>> Date: Thu, January 29, 2009 19:30 >>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Hi Greens, >>>> >>>> I wrote and sent letters stating that the GPSCC demanded that the >>>> BART >>>> policeman >>>> responsible for the death of Oscar Grant III be arrested and >>>> prosecuted. >>>> >>>> The letters were typed on plain bond paper and sent to: >>>> >>>> The District Attorney of Alameda County, >>>> BART Board of Directors >>>> BART Police Chief Gary Gee >>>> >>>> The letters were signed by me, for the Green Party of Sta. Clara >>>> County. >>>> >>>> Dana St. George >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> GPCA-MediaWG mailing list >>>> GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org >>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GPCA-MediaWG mailing list >>> GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg >>> >> > > From carolineyacoub at att.net Tue Feb 3 09:57:51 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:57:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-MediaComm] Media Release Request re Oscar Grant murder References: <52999.24.6.229.93.1233638270.squirrel@www.greens.org> <4987F240.9070101@comcast.net> <4987F4B0.3070907@comcast.net> <53700.24.6.229.93.1233648772.squirrel@www.greens.org> <53707.24.6.229.93.1233648988.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: <175130.97529.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think we should print this out and have copies in the tabling kits. ________________________________ From: Drew Johnson To: Drew Johnson Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; gpca-mediawg at cagreens.org Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:16:28 AM Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-MediaComm] Media Release Request re Oscar Grant murder Oke dokey here it is: http://cagreens.org/press/pr090109.shtml Dana could you provide the text of the letter you sent?? Cres mentioned the possibility of using that to do a follow up. Green is Justice! Drew On Tue, February 3, 2009 00:12, Drew Johnson wrote: > I'm not finding it on the cagreens.org web site.? URL please?? or if its > not up could we get it up? > > > Green is Now! > > Drew > > On Mon, February 2, 2009 23:39, civillib at comcast.net wrote: >> As I said, we did a release in early January - went statewide. >> >> Cres >> >> >> Bert wrote: >>> Drew, >>> >>> Pardon my buttin' in here, and I am not saying the state party >>> shouldn't >>> do one too, but y'all can obviously read and write: what is stopping >>> the >>> Santa Clara Greens from doing a press release all on their oddy-knocky? >>> >>> It's a grassroots party, yes? >>> >>> Bert >>> >>> Drew Johnson wrote: >>>> The January General Meeting of the Santa Clara Greens expressed desire >>>> for >>>> the GPCA Media Committee to do a release on the Oscar Grant murder >>>> situation.? Here's an official letter from one of our Councilors, Dana >>>> St. >>>> George that went out to the listed government agencies in the name of >>>> the >>>> Green Party of Santa Clara Co.? I'm sure Dana would be up for taking a >>>> quote in any such release. >>>> >>>> >>>> Green is On it! >>>> >>>> Drew >>>> >>>> ---------------------------- Original Message >>>> ---------------------------- >>>> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Letter re Oscar Grant murder >>>> From:? ? "Dana St. George" >>>> Date:? ? Thu, January 29, 2009 19:30 >>>> To:? ? ? sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Hi Greens, >>>> >>>> ??? I wrote and sent letters stating that the GPSCC demanded that the >>>> BART >>>> policeman >>>> responsible for the death of Oscar Grant III be arrested and >>>> prosecuted. >>>> >>>> ??? The letters were typed on plain bond paper and sent to: >>>> >>>> ??? ??? The District Attorney of Alameda County, >>>> ??? ??? BART Board of Directors >>>> ??? ??? BART Police Chief Gary Gee >>>> >>>> ??? The letters were signed by me, for the Green Party of Sta. Clara >>>> County. >>>> >>>> Dana St. George >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> GPCA-MediaWG mailing list >>>> GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org >>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GPCA-MediaWG mailing list >>> GPCA-MediaWG at lists.cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-mediawg >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Feb 3 11:31:10 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:31:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting In-Reply-To: <767C425C-F0F2-4F60-ABFC-E10F76B51F7C@gmail.com> References: <767C425C-F0F2-4F60-ABFC-E10F76B51F7C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54019.24.6.229.93.1233689470.squirrel@www.greens.org> As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months now to make it a regular feature of the meeting to 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by one or more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this month I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after approval of last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow along with the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the other Recurring Business and 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee, working group, etc. If people get into the habit of arriving at 6:30 as we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be before the 7:30 main meeting time. 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list that David Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be considered a Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was originally planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting tactics. So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his non-Green Party, non-coalition event. He seems to have the details of his event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully but it doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non-Green Party, noncoalitional event. 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the (renamed from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We already have an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with members of Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101. The coalition will be moving forward with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War and and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and in not recruiting children fraudulently. Green is Go! Drew On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote: > Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's > meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have anything > you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as soon > as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest > changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda. > > Green Party of Santa Clara County > Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009 > > Beginning Business > Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min > Introductions - 5 min > Finalize agenda - 5 min > Recurring Business > Treasurer?s report - 5 min > Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min > CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min > 2010 Candidates, including Wes?s suggestion for Water Board (Peter) - > 10 min > Accountability (Brian) - 5 min > Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min > > New Business > Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min > Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min > Upcoming tabling events - 10 min > Roy Nordblum - 10 min > Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min > Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min > Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min > Palo Alto and Sunnyvale?s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10 > min_______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From tnharter at aceweb.com Tue Feb 3 12:15:14 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:15:14 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The Fuel Film Message-ID: <4988A5D2.2040607@aceweb.com> Yesterday in San Francisco there was a biodiesel conference. Part of that was a showing of this new movie, Fuel. I heard about the film from an email, and went up to see it. I'm glad I did. It follows Josh Tickell from young kid in Australia to seasoned biodiesel activist. Along the way it answers many questions about how big oil became Big Oil, and how we can change that. Louisiana plays a big role in the movie. Partly it's because the state refines more oil into distillates like gasoline than any other, but also because the health consequences of this are routinely covered up by the oil industry and their friends in the Government. Josh found out about it from personal experience. Things like his mothers seven miscarriages and the cancer clusters around them. Then it shows the problems are the same or worse in the other places where we get our oil. Nigeria, Bolivia, Mexico, Russia, and Indonesia all have similar health problems. Biodiesel is the answer Josh found on a trip through Germany. He came back sold on it. To popularize the concept he went coast to coast in a biodiesel powered van with sunflowers all over it. It's hard not to share the excitement as people get turned on to the concept of used fryer grease powering many things. In fact, the movie opened my eyes a bit on how many ways our system is powered by diesel engines. Trains, ships, construction equipment, factories, tractors and many other things all use diesel engines. All of them can be run on current crops instead of fossil fuels, if the stuff is there. Then the movie traces the harsh lessons of the last few Bush years. It turns out that corn ethanol was rightly dismissed as a fuel that took as much fuel to make as you got from the crop, but the same isn't true for biodiesel. You get three times as much biodiesel fuel energy from a crop of soy beans as you put into raising it. Not only that, but there are many ways to get biodiesel from crops that humans can't eat. He showed that algae farms can be added to sewer treatment plants and power plants, and then the resulting crops can be economically converted to biodiesel. The last part of the movie is an overview of what our future energy supply is probably going to have to look like. Solar, wind, and hydro power are going to have to be there, along with mass transit, smaller distances, and biodiesel. For more details please see thefuelfilm.com. After the film was shown we had a brief Q&A with the director and a panel of people in the movie. One woman introduced herself as a rain forest activist and said that she was very opposed to expanding cropland to grow palms for biodiesel. The director agreed, and said in an earlier version of the movie they had an interview with somebody that explained that issue, but trying to cut it down to the point where it fit made it too didactic and people didn't get it. Instead there was a brief mention that expanding crop acreage was bad, and discussion of biodiesel crops that didn't compete for farmland. It was one of the many victims of the need to get it out at a running length of 111 minutes. Another woman said plug in hybrids are part of the solution. Somebody said that car companies are currently planning diesel engines that don't work so well on biodiesel. The director agreed that public pressure needs to be brought to bear against that. Instead of asking a question, I said I was going to tell a lot of people they should see this movie. Reading this post, you are hearing that now. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Last year in five State Assembly races the Green candidate got more votes than the Republican candidate. Four of them were in Maine. The other one was in Minnesota. From pmyers42 at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 12:20:20 2009 From: pmyers42 at gmail.com (Peter Myers) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:20:20 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda adjustments Message-ID: <423C4E6C-AE86-4282-9622-ECD77CF70524@gmail.com> As per Drew's comments, I'll make a few changes to the agenda: - Put Roy higher on the agenda (we're already strapped for time, so let's keep him at 10) - Take David from 10 minutes to 5, since it sounds like a quick update from him is all we need if it won't involve the Green Party. - With the 5 minutes we gain from David, let's try to jam in Drew's update on the formation of Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting. Since there's a lot to cover, let's favor conciseness and, as Drew often suggests, leave the details to a break-out. - Break-out groups before the meeting, starting at 6:30, sound excellent. This is very last-minute to add it to the agenda, but are there groups who are ready to have a break-out meeting tomorrow? If so, please post on this board. I think it's a good idea, Drew, but 30 hours before the meeting is a little short notice to effectively move the starting time of the meeting up and have everyone know about it. I like the idea, I hope it works for future meetings, and I hope at least one or two groups can arrange something for Wednesday's meeting. Any other additional agenda items? Please e-mail them to pmyers42 at gmail.com . - Peter From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Feb 3 13:16:43 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:16:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Snapping Hip Syndrome -- Oh the humanity! Message-ID: <54063.24.6.229.93.1233695803.squirrel@www.greens.org> Hip Snapping Syndrome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapping_hip_syndrome I've got it. Believe me you don't want it. Very, very painful and we're talking long-term and continuous! Yaoooooowwwwww! It will TOTALLY ruin your day! Anyone seen the TV show House? I don't know what his problem is, but I can tell you this thing make me feel crotchedy like House. It started last May when I was taking a stretching class. I didn't have a name for it or fully grasp what it was all about until just this past Friday when the pain was so intolerable that I had to go to the ER for it. The nice thing is now I have a label for the pain and a plan on how to address it. Yeah!!! Green is Connection! Drew From pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com Tue Feb 3 13:34:44 2009 From: pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com (Paul & Mary Engstrom) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:34:44 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting In-Reply-To: <54019.24.6.229.93.1233689470.squirrel@www.greens.org> References: <767C425C-F0F2-4F60-ABFC-E10F76B51F7C@gmail.com> <54019.24.6.229.93.1233689470.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: <055B1F31-696C-4839-A2BB-78A7D1F82BFA@macreviewzone.com> IMy reaction to Drew's negatism in reaction against Ledesma reminds me of the petty competiveness so frequent in the Left and progressive groups Go ahead with promoting a coalition against recruiting without the spitefulness which reflects badly on the Green Party For democracy and peace foe all Paul On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: > As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it > interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months > now to > make it a regular feature of the meeting to > > 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by > one or > more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this > month > I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after approval of > last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow along > with > the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the other > Recurring Business > > and > > 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee, > working group, etc. If people get into the habit of arriving at > 6:30 as > we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be > before the > 7:30 main meeting time. > > 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list that > David > Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition > meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be > considered a > Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was originally > planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party > committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting > tactics. > So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his > non-Green Party, non-coalition event. He seems to have the details > of his > event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully > but it > doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non- > Green > Party, noncoalitional event. > > 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the > (renamed > from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We > already have > an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with > members of > Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101. The coalition will be moving forward > with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War > and > and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and > in not > recruiting children fraudulently. > > > Green is Go! > > Drew > > > On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote: >> Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's >> meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have anything >> you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as soon >> as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest >> changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda. >> >> Green Party of Santa Clara County >> Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009 >> >> Beginning Business >> Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min >> Introductions - 5 min >> Finalize agenda - 5 min >> Recurring Business >> Treasurer?s report - 5 min >> Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min >> CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min >> 2010 Candidates, including Wes?s suggestion for Water Board (Peter) - >> 10 min >> Accountability (Brian) - 5 min >> Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min >> >> New Business >> Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min >> Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min >> Upcoming tabling events - 10 min >> Roy Nordblum - 10 min >> Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min >> Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min >> Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min >> Palo Alto and Sunnyvale?s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10 >> min_______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Feb 3 22:03:33 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:03:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting In-Reply-To: <055B1F31-696C-4839-A2BB-78A7D1F82BFA@macreviewzone.com> References: <767C425C-F0F2-4F60-ABFC-E10F76B51F7C@gmail.com> <54019.24.6.229.93.1233689470.squirrel@www.greens.org> <055B1F31-696C-4839-A2BB-78A7D1F82BFA@macreviewzone.com> Message-ID: <54586.24.6.229.93.1233727413.squirrel@www.greens.org> Paul, I have no idea who you are and what if any relationship you have to the Green Party. ...but the facts are that when Jim Doyle, Fred Duperrault and I went to the Veterans for Peace Chapter 101 meeting the general response was they would NOT go forward with any coalition that involved David Ledesma because their experience was that he had to have everything done his way and had to have 100% control of it. I was very shocked that THEY had such a negative reaction. But then a series of actions on David's part totally seemed to fit the behavioral pattern the VfP folks had described. when I tried to ask David about whatever had lead to them having that reaction he wouldn't respond to it and started attacking me! Ah, that's good -- the guy who just walked off the street (David) is trying to tell party officials how to run their business! Then he said he didn't want to be part of a Green Party committee or coalition anymore. I can live with that. We have to safeguard our party from outside disruptors, and those who have ill intent towards the party or simply don't understand and fit in with our 10 Key Values. Heck, I don't even know if David is a member of the party!!! Someone like David could very well have some great input, but it behooves them to 1) at least hang out with the group for awhile (I did for one year before volunteering for anything), 2) join the party and fullfill the requisite 'dues-paying' before launching a campaign to remake the party in their image. And by the way Paul, the coalition is happening in large part because I'm building it. Coalition -- its what Greens do. Green is Coalition! Drew On Tue, February 3, 2009 13:34, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote: > > > IMy reaction to Drew's negatism in reaction against Ledesma reminds me > of the petty competiveness so frequent in the Left and progressive > groups > > Go ahead with promoting a coalition against recruiting without the > spitefulness which reflects badly on the Green Party > > For democracy and peace foe all Paul > > > On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: > >> As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it >> interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months >> now to >> make it a regular feature of the meeting to >> >> 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by >> one or >> more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this >> month >> I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after approval of >> last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow along >> with >> the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the other >> Recurring Business >> >> and >> >> 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee, >> working group, etc. If people get into the habit of arriving at >> 6:30 as >> we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be >> before the >> 7:30 main meeting time. >> >> 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list that >> David >> Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition >> meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be >> considered a >> Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was originally >> planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party >> committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting >> tactics. >> So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his >> non-Green Party, non-coalition event. He seems to have the details >> of his >> event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully >> but it >> doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non- >> Green >> Party, noncoalitional event. >> >> 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the >> (renamed >> from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We >> already have >> an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with >> members of >> Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101. The coalition will be moving forward >> with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War >> and >> and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and >> in not >> recruiting children fraudulently. >> >> >> Green is Go! >> >> Drew >> >> >> On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote: >>> Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's >>> meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have anything >>> you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as soon >>> as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest >>> changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda. >>> >>> Green Party of Santa Clara County >>> Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009 >>> >>> Beginning Business >>> Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min >>> Introductions - 5 min >>> Finalize agenda - 5 min >>> Recurring Business >>> Treasurer?s report - 5 min >>> Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min >>> CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min >>> 2010 Candidates, including Wes?s suggestion for Water Board (Peter) - >>> 10 min >>> Accountability (Brian) - 5 min >>> Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min >>> >>> New Business >>> Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min >>> Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min >>> Upcoming tabling events - 10 min >>> Roy Nordblum - 10 min >>> Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min >>> Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min >>> Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min >>> Palo Alto and Sunnyvale?s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10 >>> min_______________________________________________ >>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Feb 3 22:19:19 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:19:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda adjustments In-Reply-To: <423C4E6C-AE86-4282-9622-ECD77CF70524@gmail.com> References: <423C4E6C-AE86-4282-9622-ECD77CF70524@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54597.24.6.229.93.1233728359.squirrel@www.greens.org> One more 3 Minute Item: I'm working with San Mateans to put together a Regional Gathering, probably in March. Report. + Yes there are breakout groups to be done. We need to move away from operating as a 'Committee of the Whole' all the time in our General Meetings and instead empower committees and working groups. For example: 1) the Green Media Group has been largely awaiting the recovery of and availability of Andi. I nominate her to be the female CoChair and Wes to be the male CoChair (although he can't physically be there, maybe he could call in). Roy (can't remember his last name -- not Nordblum), Mike Fischetti and others had previously done great work and this group just needs reignition. 2) We've talked for a very long time about organizing our Letters to the Editor and Resolutions. Dana wrote one such resolution this past month. Fred is great at that too and so is Gerry. Its an ongoing need that doesn't go away. If someone brought materials folks could easily write up letters right there during that time! 3) Most if not ALL the tabling arrangements could easily be made at that time so we don't waste valuable General Meeting time with it. 4) Fundraising plans!!! 5) Event Planning!!! Does that illustrate it adequately? Green is Go! Drew On Tue, February 3, 2009 12:20, Peter Myers wrote: > As per Drew's comments, I'll make a few changes to the agenda: > > - Put Roy higher on the agenda (we're already strapped for time, so > let's keep him at 10) > - Take David from 10 minutes to 5, since it sounds like a quick update > from him is all we need if it won't involve the Green Party. > - With the 5 minutes we gain from David, let's try to jam in Drew's > update on the formation of Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting. Since > there's a lot to cover, let's favor conciseness and, as Drew often > suggests, leave the details to a break-out. > - Break-out groups before the meeting, starting at 6:30, sound > excellent. This is very last-minute to add it to the agenda, but are > there groups who are ready to have a break-out meeting tomorrow? If > so, please post on this board. I think it's a good idea, Drew, but 30 > hours before the meeting is a little short notice to effectively move > the starting time of the meeting up and have everyone know about it. I > like the idea, I hope it works for future meetings, and I hope at > least one or two groups can arrange something for Wednesday's meeting. > > Any other additional agenda items? Please e-mail them to > pmyers42 at gmail.com > . > > - Peter > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com Wed Feb 4 11:54:21 2009 From: pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com (Paul & Mary Engstrom) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:54:21 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting In-Reply-To: <54586.24.6.229.93.1233727413.squirrel@www.greens.org> References: <767C425C-F0F2-4F60-ABFC-E10F76B51F7C@gmail.com> <54019.24.6.229.93.1233689470.squirrel@www.greens.org> <055B1F31-696C-4839-A2BB-78A7D1F82BFA@macreviewzone.com> <54586.24.6.229.93.1233727413.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: <4C1E7F04-BE78-4775-8A0D-4D4834491162@macreviewzone.com> Drew Thank you for your clarification re; Ledesma's relationship with Green Party I heard him at a meeting of a peace group I belong to, where he described his attitude against military recruitment and I felt he was quite dedicated and seemed to do his actions on an individual basis I have been a registered Green Party voter for a number of years and before that with other progressive small parties, regretfully none have become major parties. I thought Ledesma's ideas compatiblewith the Greens, but am sorry he had difficulty cooperating with local Greens. I admire youriniative and energy in developing an Anti-Recruitment Coalition and wish you well .People like you are sorely needed. Have you considered working with Clean Money organization? They work toward public financing of elections and this could benefit the Green Party and other less than affluent parties. Thank you your time and detailed explanation re Ledesma and the Greens With continued hope for democracy and peace for all Paul 0 On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Drew Johnson wrote: > Paul, I have no idea who you are and what if any relationship you > have to > the Green Party. > > ...but the facts are that when Jim Doyle, Fred Duperrault and I went > to > the Veterans for Peace Chapter 101 meeting the general response was > they > would NOT go forward with any coalition that involved David Ledesma > because their experience was that he had to have everything done his > way > and had to have 100% control of it. I was very shocked that THEY > had such > a negative reaction. > > But then a series of actions on David's part totally seemed to fit the > behavioral pattern the VfP folks had described. when I tried to ask > David > about whatever had lead to them having that reaction he wouldn't > respond > to it and started attacking me! Ah, that's good -- the guy who just > walked off the street (David) is trying to tell party officials how > to run > their business! > > Then he said he didn't want to be part of a Green Party committee or > coalition anymore. I can live with that. We have to safeguard our > party > from outside disruptors, and those who have ill intent towards the > party > or simply don't understand and fit in with our 10 Key Values. Heck, I > don't even know if David is a member of the party!!! > > Someone like David could very well have some great input, but it > behooves > them to 1) at least hang out with the group for awhile (I did for > one year > before volunteering for anything), 2) join the party and fullfill the > requisite 'dues-paying' before launching a campaign to remake the > party in > their image. > > And by the way Paul, the coalition is happening in large part > because I'm > building it. Coalition -- its what Greens do. > > > Green is Coalition! > > Drew > > > On Tue, February 3, 2009 13:34, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote: >> >> >> IMy reaction to Drew's negatism in reaction against Ledesma reminds >> me >> of the petty competiveness so frequent in the Left and progressive >> groups >> >> Go ahead with promoting a coalition against recruiting without the >> spitefulness which reflects badly on the Green Party >> >> For democracy and peace foe all Paul >> >> >> On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: >> >>> As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it >>> interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months >>> now to >>> make it a regular feature of the meeting to >>> >>> 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by >>> one or >>> more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this >>> month >>> I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after >>> approval of >>> last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow along >>> with >>> the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the >>> other >>> Recurring Business >>> >>> and >>> >>> 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee, >>> working group, etc. If people get into the habit of arriving at >>> 6:30 as >>> we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be >>> before the >>> 7:30 main meeting time. >>> >>> 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list that >>> David >>> Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition >>> meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be >>> considered a >>> Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was >>> originally >>> planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party >>> committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting >>> tactics. >>> So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his >>> non-Green Party, non-coalition event. He seems to have the details >>> of his >>> event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully >>> but it >>> doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non- >>> Green >>> Party, noncoalitional event. >>> >>> 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the >>> (renamed >>> from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We >>> already have >>> an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with >>> members of >>> Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101. The coalition will be moving >>> forward >>> with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War >>> and >>> and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and >>> in not >>> recruiting children fraudulently. >>> >>> >>> Green is Go! >>> >>> Drew >>> >>> >>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote: >>>> Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's >>>> meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have >>>> anything >>>> you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as >>>> soon >>>> as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest >>>> changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda. >>>> >>>> Green Party of Santa Clara County >>>> Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009 >>>> >>>> Beginning Business >>>> Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min >>>> Introductions - 5 min >>>> Finalize agenda - 5 min >>>> Recurring Business >>>> Treasurer?s report - 5 min >>>> Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min >>>> CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min >>>> 2010 Candidates, including Wes?s suggestion for Water Board >>>> (Peter) - >>>> 10 min >>>> Accountability (Brian) - 5 min >>>> Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min >>>> >>>> New Business >>>> Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min >>>> Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min >>>> Upcoming tabling events - 10 min >>>> Roy Nordblum - 10 min >>>> Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min >>>> Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min >>>> Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min >>>> Palo Alto and Sunnyvale?s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10 >>>> min_______________________________________________ >>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From fredd at freeshell.org Wed Feb 4 17:53:06 2009 From: fredd at freeshell.org (Fred Duperrault) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:53:06 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting In-Reply-To: <54586.24.6.229.93.1233727413.squirrel@www.greens.org> References: <767C425C-F0F2-4F60-ABFC-E10F76B51F7C@gmail.com> <54019.24.6.229.93.1233689470.squirrel@www.greens.org> <055B1F31-696C-4839-A2BB-78A7D1F82BFA@macreviewzone.com> <54586.24.6.229.93.1233727413.squirrel@www.greens.org> Message-ID: <498A4682.7050405@freeshell.org> Dear Paul and other GRSCC Readers, Please don't interpret what Drew has expressed re David Ledesma as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'm sorry to have to enter this public discussion regarding personalities and misinterpreted reports on what happened in certain meetings, but I feel I must do so in the best interests of more than one group in which Drew and I have been members, and in defense of David Ledesma. First of all, Drew's accusation of David Ladesma trying to "attack" him was inaccurate and unfair. Secondly, inferring that David "as an outside disrupter who has ill intent toward the Green Party" was uncalled for, not true. And, after hearing a critical word, but not damning, about David during a VFP meeting, Drew, at the very beginning of the SRK planning meeting, confronted David as if he were a prosecuting attorney accusing David of being an obstinate, incompatible person. Please don't accept Drew's wrong headed account of David Ledesma, his character and motives. Regretting having to intervene, Fred Duperrault Drew Thank you for your clarification re; Ledesma's relationship with Green Party I heard him at a meeting of a peace group I belong to, where he described his attitude against military recruitment and I felt he was quite dedicated and seemed to do his actions on an individual basis I have been a registered Green Party voter for a number of years and before that with other progressive small parties, regretfully none have become major parties. I thought Ledesma's ideas compatiblewith the Greens, but am sorry he had difficulty cooperating with local Greens. I admire youriniative and energy in developing an Anti-Recruitment Coalition and wish you well .People like you are sorely needed. Have you considered working with Clean Money organization? They work toward public financing of elections and this could benefit the Green Party and other less than affluent parties. Thank you your time and detailed explanation re Ledesma and the Greens With continued hope for democracy and peace for all Paul 0 On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Drew Johnson wrote: > Paul, I have no idea who you are and what if any relationship you > have to > the Green Party. > > ...but the facts are that when Jim Doyle, Fred Duperrault and I went > to > the Veterans for Peace Chapter 101 meeting the general response was > they > would NOT go forward with any coalition that involved David Ledesma > because their experience was that he had to have everything done his > way > and had to have 100% control of it. I was very shocked that THEY > had such > a negative reaction. > > But then a series of actions on David's part totally seemed to fit the > behavioral pattern the VfP folks had described. when I tried to ask > David > about whatever had lead to them having that reaction he wouldn't > respond > to it and started attacking me! Ah, that's good -- the guy who just > walked off the street (David) is trying to tell party officials how > to run > their business! > > Then he said he didn't want to be part of a Green Party committee or > coalition anymore. I can live with that. We have to safeguard our > party > from outside disruptors, and those who have ill intent towards the > party > or simply don't understand and fit in with our 10 Key Values. Heck, I > don't even know if David is a member of the party!!! > > Someone like David could very well have some great input, but it > behooves > them to 1) at least hang out with the group for awhile (I did for > one year > before volunteering for anything), 2) join the party and fullfill the > requisite 'dues-paying' before launching a campaign to remake the > party in > their image. > > And by the way Paul, the coalition is happening in large part > because I'm > building it. Coalition -- its what Greens do. > > > Green is Coalition! > > Drew > > > On Tue, February 3, 2009 13:34, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote: >> >> >> IMy reaction to Drew's negatism in reaction against Ledesma reminds >> me >> of the petty competiveness so frequent in the Left and progressive >> groups >> >> Go ahead with promoting a coalition against recruiting without the >> spitefulness which reflects badly on the Green Party >> >> For democracy and peace foe all Paul >> >> >> On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: >> >>> As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it >>> interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months >>> now to >>> make it a regular feature of the meeting to >>> >>> 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by >>> one or >>> more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this >>> month >>> I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after >>> approval of >>> last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow along >>> with >>> the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the >>> other >>> Recurring Business >>> >>> and >>> >>> 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee, >>> working group, etc. If people get into the habit of arriving at >>> 6:30 as >>> we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be >>> before the >>> 7:30 main meeting time. >>> >>> 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list that >>> David >>> Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition >>> meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be >>> considered a >>> Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was >>> originally >>> planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party >>> committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting >>> tactics. >>> So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his >>> non-Green Party, non-coalition event. He seems to have the details >>> of his >>> event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully >>> but it >>> doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non- >>> Green >>> Party, noncoalitional event. >>> >>> 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the >>> (renamed >>> from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We >>> already have >>> an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with >>> members of >>> Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101. The coalition will be moving >>> forward >>> with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War >>> and >>> and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and >>> in not >>> recruiting children fraudulently. >>> >>> >>> Green is Go! >>> >>> Drew >>> >>> >>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote: >>>> Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's >>>> meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have >>>> anything >>>> you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as >>>> soon >>>> as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest >>>> changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda. >>>> >>>> Green Party of Santa Clara County >>>> Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009 >>>> >>>> Beginning Business >>>> Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min >>>> Introductions - 5 min >>>> Finalize agenda - 5 min >>>> Recurring Business >>>> Treasurer?s report - 5 min >>>> Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min >>>> CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min >>>> 2010 Candidates, including Wes?s suggestion for Water Board >>>> (Peter) - >>>> 10 min >>>> Accountability (Brian) - 5 min >>>> Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min >>>> >>>> New Business >>>> Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min >>>> Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min >>>> Upcoming tabling events - 10 min >>>> Roy Nordblum - 10 min >>>> Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min >>>> Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min >>>> Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min >>>> Palo Alto and Sunnyvale?s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10 >>>> min_______________________________________________ >>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Feb 5 06:24:44 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 06:24:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting In-Reply-To: <498A4682.7050405@freeshell.org> References: <767C425C-F0F2-4F60-ABFC-E10F76B51F7C@gmail.com> <54019.24.6.229.93.1233689470.squirrel@www.greens.org> <055B1F31-696C-4839-A2BB-78A7D1F82BFA@macreviewzone.com> <54586.24.6.229.93.1233727413.squirrel@www.greens.org> <498A4682.7050405@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <54907.24.6.229.93.1233843884.squirrel@www.greens.org> I'm sorry Fred, but I have to reiterate some things because I believe you've distorted some events. Fred In the desire to welcome a new person (which I have too) I think you're bending over backwards to accommodate his bad behavior. To wit... I believe that far from 'wrongheaded', my concerns about David's autocratic nature are right on the money and this was again shown last night when he walked out (was it in disgust?) immediately after HIS topic was complete. And by the way I think he completely wasted our time with by using his time to again attack me instead of either reporting on the event and how it is proceeding -- isn't that what his time was alloted for??? but we heard next to nothing about that!!! (ah but that would be accountability and it appears he doesn't want accountability to anyone but himself) . By walking out when he did he left questions in my and other people's minds: Does he only care about HIS event??? Does he only care about getting HIS way??? And when he doesn't get satisfaction does he then walk out??? It certainly looked that way. More autocratic and obstinant behavior I'm afraid. And yes I DO think this behavior NEEDS to be confronted -- maybe gentler than I did, but nevertheless yes by all means confront it. Yes, I will stand firm in characterizing David Ledesma's response to being questioned about why the VfP folks had such an overwhelmingly negative reaction to being involved in anything he was participating in as an 'atack' on me. Instead of addressing the question of why they might feel so negatively way and and why the rejected coalitional participation with him he tried to turn the tables on me and just attacked me! Frankly it seemed to me to be just an ego defense mechanism of someone in denial. Instead of addressing the question just attack the questioner. And IMO Fred is WAY underplaying the harsh response the VfPers had to David Ledesma. If we want to go to them and ask their opinion, I'm certain we'll get an earful! As a matter of a fact I think we need to do just that. Let's ask them about their experience with David Ledesma and why they are so adamantly opposed to being a part of something he particpates in. Could it be that his past behavior with them has so turned them off that they will now have nothing to do with him? Let's ask! At no point did he EVER say ANYTHING addressing about why the VfP folks are so down on him, not that night, not since. Or what we could do to mend those fences so that we could count on the VfP's support in the coalition. Nada. That was the whole point I was trying to ask him about so that we could see whether that situation could be improved and whether he was willing to operate within a Green check and balance situation. As far as I was concerned by his actions he failed that measure. My concern level over whether he is an obstinate Secondly I didn't infer that David has ill intent towards the Green Party and TRYING to disrupt us. Ill intent doesn't really matter. Like Cameron I don't think trying to guess people's intent is at all useful. I see people as black boxes and not only are we unable to dicern motivation, I see that many times people can't figure out themselves why they do what they do. So I don't try to guess their intent or motivation. Its the behavior and the effect that we CAN and MUST judge if we are to maintain integrity of the party. What I was driving at was that it is irresponsible of leaders in the Green Party if we do not maintain vigilance about we we empower to lead us. It is a universally bad idea that defies common sense to give too much power to someone just entering the party. A newcomer, no matter how marvelous, can not possible understand our culture (or that of ANY group for that matter). It is only common sense that a newcomer not be empowered too quickly before they've been shown the lay of the land and before the group has confirmed how the person operates is in alignment with our 10 Key Values. THAT's what I was saying. And so when David essentially put across the vibe in his very first meeting that he ever attends that what the Green Party really needed was an extreme makeover that HE would be happy to give it (in HIS image), yeah I do have be concerned about where this person is coming from. And THEN when his followup behavior looks VERY AUTOCRATIC, yeah that WILL TRIGGER MY RADAR and raise concerns about whether he can operate within our values. And yeah, I will act in those circumstance to PROTECT THE PARTY as any leader of the party should do. At LEAST one of the County Councilors voiced frustration that David Ledesma was allowed to take up soooooooooooo much of the time in the December meeting. After all, we don't even know if he's a member yet!!! As I said above, any sane group simply does NOT HAND OVER MUCH POWER TO A NEWCOMER, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEM. PERIOD. I count it as OUR mistake that we allowed an unconfirmed member (or possibly nonmember) to even make a proposal let alone take up such a tremendous amount of our General Meeting time. We should have had an active Green Party Member (and neither David nor Valerie qualified at the December meeting) -- in other words a Green who actually has the standing, whom we know and trust -- to make any proposal to be made. Our mistake! Then again it terms of taking up tremendous amounts of our time he did it again last night. Instead of reporting on the David Ledesma Stop Recruiting Kids event he spent his time trying to whip up a mob to come after me! We never did get to hear much about that event!!! Alarm bells go off for many of us when we see this kind of behavior from a newcomer. Again mostly I fault US for not handing the situation in a way that would have saved everyone pain. We fell down by not having an active Green Party member give any proposal that was to be made, but 2) not summarizing in one or two sentences what proposal we were consensing on (so now we all have different understandings of what we consensed to (and I was the notetaker that evening so I myself would have done better to insist in the moment that we have a concise version of the proposal (not merely David's rambling 3 or 4 pages which rambled which covered many topics about his what I'll term 'extreme makeover of the party in his image'). IMO on many different levels WE BLEW IT. In the end its not the newcomers fault that the party doesn't handle itself well. Its OUR FAULT. We can do better and we will. We can create better informational exchanges whereby we orient newcomers to all our unique ways. We can put sane limits on who has standing to make a proposal to the General Meeting. We can put sane limits on who and how rapidly we empower newcomers to enter into positions of service and not put someone off the street immediately into a place where they haven't been trained for. We can spell out that we require gender balanced CoChairs of any Green Party committee or if its a coalitional effort what our guidelines are for how they operate and the democracy they need to entail. Etc. These are all things WE CAN AND MUST DO IF WE ARE GOING TO MATURE AS A PARTY AND BECOME AN EFFECTIVE ORGANIZATION. Si Se Puede! Yes we can! Green is Accountability! Drew On Wed, February 4, 2009 17:53, Fred Duperrault wrote: > Dear Paul and other GRSCC Readers, > > Please don't interpret what Drew has expressed re David Ledesma as the > truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. > > I'm sorry to have to enter this public discussion regarding > personalities and misinterpreted reports on what happened in certain > meetings, but I feel I must do so in the best interests of more than one > group in which Drew and I have been members, and in defense of David > Ledesma. > > First of all, Drew's accusation of David Ladesma trying to "attack" him > was inaccurate and unfair. Secondly, inferring that David "as an > outside disrupter who has ill intent toward the Green Party" was > uncalled for, not true. And, after hearing a critical word, but not > damning, about David during a VFP meeting, Drew, at the very beginning > of the SRK planning meeting, confronted David as if he were a > prosecuting attorney accusing David of being an obstinate, incompatible > person. > > Please don't accept Drew's wrong headed account of David Ledesma, his > character and motives. > > Regretting having to intervene, > > Fred Duperrault > > > > > Drew > > Thank you for your clarification re; Ledesma's relationship with Green > Party > > I heard him at a meeting of a peace group I belong to, where he > described his attitude against military recruitment and I felt he was > quite dedicated and seemed to do his actions on an individual basis I > have been a registered Green Party voter for a number of years and > before that with other progressive small parties, regretfully none > have become major parties. I thought Ledesma's ideas compatiblewith > the Greens, but am sorry he had difficulty cooperating with local > Greens. > > > I admire youriniative and energy in developing an Anti-Recruitment > Coalition and wish you well .People like you are sorely needed. > > Have you considered working with Clean Money organization? They work > toward public financing of elections and this could benefit the Green > Party and other less than affluent parties. > > Thank you your time and detailed explanation re Ledesma and the Greens > > With continued hope for democracy and peace for all Paul > > 0 > On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Drew Johnson wrote: > >> Paul, I have no idea who you are and what if any relationship you >> have to >> the Green Party. >> >> ...but the facts are that when Jim Doyle, Fred Duperrault and I went >> to >> the Veterans for Peace Chapter 101 meeting the general response was >> they >> would NOT go forward with any coalition that involved David Ledesma >> because their experience was that he had to have everything done his >> way >> and had to have 100% control of it. I was very shocked that THEY >> had such >> a negative reaction. >> >> But then a series of actions on David's part totally seemed to fit the >> behavioral pattern the VfP folks had described. when I tried to ask >> David >> about whatever had lead to them having that reaction he wouldn't >> respond >> to it and started attacking me! Ah, that's good -- the guy who just >> walked off the street (David) is trying to tell party officials how >> to run >> their business! >> >> Then he said he didn't want to be part of a Green Party committee or >> coalition anymore. I can live with that. We have to safeguard our >> party >> from outside disruptors, and those who have ill intent towards the >> party >> or simply don't understand and fit in with our 10 Key Values. Heck, I >> don't even know if David is a member of the party!!! >> >> Someone like David could very well have some great input, but it >> behooves >> them to 1) at least hang out with the group for awhile (I did for >> one year >> before volunteering for anything), 2) join the party and fullfill the >> requisite 'dues-paying' before launching a campaign to remake the >> party in >> their image. >> >> And by the way Paul, the coalition is happening in large part >> because I'm >> building it. Coalition -- its what Greens do. >> >> >> Green is Coalition! >> >> Drew >> >> >> On Tue, February 3, 2009 13:34, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote: >>> >>> >>> IMy reaction to Drew's negatism in reaction against Ledesma reminds >>> me >>> of the petty competiveness so frequent in the Left and progressive >>> groups >>> >>> Go ahead with promoting a coalition against recruiting without the >>> spitefulness which reflects badly on the Green Party >>> >>> For democracy and peace foe all Paul >>> >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it >>>> interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months >>>> now to >>>> make it a regular feature of the meeting to >>>> >>>> 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by >>>> one or >>>> more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this >>>> month >>>> I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after >>>> approval of >>>> last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow along >>>> with >>>> the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the >>>> other >>>> Recurring Business >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee, >>>> working group, etc. If people get into the habit of arriving at >>>> 6:30 as >>>> we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be >>>> before the >>>> 7:30 main meeting time. >>>> >>>> 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list that >>>> David >>>> Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition >>>> meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be >>>> considered a >>>> Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was >>>> originally >>>> planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party >>>> committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting >>>> tactics. >>>> So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his >>>> non-Green Party, non-coalition event. He seems to have the details >>>> of his >>>> event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully >>>> but it >>>> doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non- >>>> Green >>>> Party, noncoalitional event. >>>> >>>> 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the >>>> (renamed >>>> from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We >>>> already have >>>> an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with >>>> members of >>>> Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101. The coalition will be moving >>>> forward >>>> with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War >>>> and >>>> and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and >>>> in not >>>> recruiting children fraudulently. >>>> >>>> >>>> Green is Go! >>>> >>>> Drew >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote: >>>>> Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's >>>>> meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have >>>>> anything >>>>> you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as >>>>> soon >>>>> as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest >>>>> changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda. >>>>> >>>>> Green Party of Santa Clara County >>>>> Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009 >>>>> >>>>> Beginning Business >>>>> Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min >>>>> Introductions - 5 min >>>>> Finalize agenda - 5 min >>>>> Recurring Business >>>>> Treasurer?s report - 5 min >>>>> Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min >>>>> CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min >>>>> 2010 Candidates, including Wes?s suggestion for Water Board >>>>> (Peter) - >>>>> 10 min >>>>> Accountability (Brian) - 5 min >>>>> Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min >>>>> >>>>> New Business >>>>> Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min >>>>> Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min >>>>> Upcoming tabling events - 10 min >>>>> Roy Nordblum - 10 min >>>>> Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min >>>>> Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min >>>>> Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min >>>>> Palo Alto and Sunnyvale?s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10 >>>>> min_______________________________________________ From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Feb 5 08:52:37 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:52:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fwd: [gp-us-nc] Nominations Due February 21 for Green House & Senate Campaign Committees Message-ID: <54916.24.6.229.93.1233852757.squirrel@www.greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [usgp-nc] Nominations Due February 21 for Green House & Senate Campaign Committees From: "Phil Huckelberry" Date: Wed, February 4, 2009 19:52 To: "The natlcomvotes (aka National Committee Votes) listserv is for decision-making and management of GP-US affairs." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** DELEGATES: *** Please forward this message to your state parties and/or caucuses. 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URL: From wrolley at charter.net Thu Feb 5 19:25:18 2009 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:25:18 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Water Realities Message-ID: <498BAD9E.9090607@charter.net> I wrote this last week, before Energy Secretary Chu talked of the scenario under which California loses it Agricultural Industry and the viability of our major cities comes under question. However, it went up this afternoon at the Morgan Hill Times and was picked up by Aquafornia Blog . *Now is the time to start making changes* 1:25 PM By Wes Rolley As it is becoming increasingly clear that this is going to be the third year in row with below normal rainfall, I have spent a lot of time reviewing the manner in which the media around the state is covering this story. The story varies somewhat from paper to paper if they cover it at all. But, in general, most follow this logic. This is the third year of a drought. The effects are going to be felt most heavily on agriculture. Consumers will feel it in higher prices at the grocery store. Government ought to do something. This logic makes the assumption that what we are seeing is the low side of a cycle of drought and plenty and we would be OK if we only save more from times of plenty to use later. Even major news service, like Bloomberg, get the economic point. It will cost California Agriculture more than $1 billion and the California Farm Bureau Association estimates that it will cost 40,000 jobs. I have two problems with this scenario. First, it leaves out a major part of the story, climate change. Then it leaves us with the impression that we can continue doing things in the same manner that we have done them in the past. That might be true if it were not for problem number one. There is a high probability that what we are experiencing this year will not be viewed as an extraordinary event in the coming year. In fact, it may be the new normal in a warming climate. The impact of that on California Agriculture will be huge if nothing is done. Some farmers are beginning to plan. Most newspapers do not cover the story in this manner, especially not the major papers in the coastal population centers. The Merced Sun Star emphasized the idea that current conditions may stay around for a long time. In discussing the impact of climate change on water resources, they write that "local land use, development and their impacts on water planning comprise another issue. Today, a collection of interests compete over the same sources of water. The success or failure of local preparations for the impending water crisis will make all the difference." It seems that most papers can write about water, or global warming, but have not yet grasped that watersheds and the climate are very dynamic, interconnected systems and we can no longer afford to treat them as little boxed problems to solve. In September, 2008, the Pacific Institute, a Bay Area think tank, published a report that made the case that we can solve our water problems with better management of existing water, especially for agriculture; "More with Less: Agricultural Water Conservation and Efficiency in California - A Special Focus on the Delta." As the title suggests, it is all about conservation. They got their hands dirty on farms, in irrigation ditches, all over this state before they came to the conclusion that it was possible. We need, however, to start considering that some farmers may need to grow different crops. At a very simple level, even I have been doing that. We are replacing an olive tree with a jujube for the specific reason that it does well in dry conditions. U.C. Davis is working on a plan for some counties to switch their major crops as the climate changes, adjusting their agriculture to different temperature and water realities. A public works officials once told me that they did not want to mention water conservation in a good year because then they would not have that tool to fall back on when a drought hits. This type of thinking is the epitome of bureaucratic thinking rather than ecological thinking. Just like the farmers, we are all going to have to make changes, maybe even lifestyle changes, to ensure that we have the water we need. The days are over when we can assume that our water district will supply whatever water we want whenever we want it. At least, the Santa Clara Valley Water District has good programs for water efficiency even though they do not promote them enough. Earlier this year, I wrote about taking out lawn and replacing it with a combination of pavers and bark. The project is completed and I have my rebate check safely in the bank. The only complaint that I had was the fact that it took too long to process the check after I submitted my paperwork and had the final inspection. Otherwise, the only pain was in my arms from carrying all of those pavers. Finally, I would have to say that Congressman Jerry McNerney 'gets it." He introduced The Healthy Communities Water Supply Act, H.R. 700. According to his press release, this act "will authorize $250 million - double the 2007 proposed authorization - in funding for projects that increase the usable water supply by encouraging innovation in water conservation, recharge, recycling, reuse, and reclamation." One by one, we are all going to have to make changes and now is the time to start. -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Feb 6 08:50:27 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:50:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fun DeAnza Tabling and networking w/ other SC Environmental NGOs Message-ID: <55218.24.6.229.93.1233939027.squirrel@greens.org> DeAnza Event Th Fe 5th: "Global Warming Solutions: A National Teach-In" , 'solutions-driven' (schedule and event info at bottom) My Event Experience: Overall strong impression:People WANT badly to go green and save our planet. I took the morning shift till 12:30 or so and Tian the afternoon. There was a bevy of interesting and informative speakers. The speaker's meeting was quite full. Lots of students intent on learning how to improve our situation. Unfortunately I didn't get to listen in much. I had good conversations with students interested in finding ways to live out their green values in terms of politics. They were excited to learn that their is a political party dedicated to bringing Nonviolence, Grassroots Democracy, Social Justice, Ecological Wisdom (The Green Party's '4 Pillars') into government by electing Greens to office. Other Groups Represented: Representing the Green Party of Santa Clara we tabled beside the SVTC (Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition) whose recently retired founder Ted Smith registered Green a Cameron's table one day and whom I've previously put calls into to ask if he wanted to run for office. He'd be fabulous! No response so far. The SVTC is working on projects like getting manufactures to take cradle to grave responsibility for their products, making sure the burgeoning solar industry is eco-friendly, blowing the whistle on prison waste disposal industry (and the related environmental and social justice issues), etc. Great group: labor-funded with long-standing solid results. Around the corner was the Santa Clara Valley Audubon Society. The volunteer there was whimsically imitating bird calls as her 'draw' to the table. Worked on me. :-) I'd say the Audubon Society is THE most effective environmental organization in the valley. They've been especially involved in working on the whole Coyote Valley thing. Riparian corridors, healthy creeks, etc. After the event I bicycled over to their way cool office/store on McClelland in Cupertino. On the Stevens Creek across from the golf course). They give out education info and sell bird and nature-related stuff in their cute little store. They have fun activities like bird hikes and such. Fun! Sierra Club Cool Cities campaign: Good stuff. Their rocking Mountain View, Palo Alto, Sunnyvale getting energy audits for residents and city and commercial building audits too. Soon to come to your city/neighborhood. Our City Forest: I've spoken to them before and I'm intrigued by them but I ran out of time to talk to them yesterday. Their volunteers and staff always seem friendly, young and enthusiastic to me. Two student body groups: W.Y.S.E. 37: Environmental campus club. The event's sponsoring group which I'm a member of at De Anza. Cool grassroots student and faculty environmental organization that is effectively bringing things like locally grown organic food to the campus cafeteria, campus recycling, education programs like this event. Students for Justice: A nationally networked group vaguely socialist in orientation (symbol is a red flag with a closed black fist). Some Greens involved and I'm on the e-mail list. Has done good work on the Palestinian rights issues and taking a stand against the imperial wars. This is the group that got some of their folks arrested when Collin Powell visited De Anza a few years back. Got a good ruckus going. Event evaluation: Very fun! Very green! Green is Cool! Drew http://www.deanza.edu/eventscalendar/view_entry.php?id=354&date=20090205 Global Warming Solutions: A National Teach-In Description: For the second consecutive year, De Anza College will join hundreds of colleges and universities in solutions-driven dialogue on global warming. The event will include discussions on the green economy and green careers, as well as workshops and a 12:30 p.m. policymakers panel featuring De Anza President Brian Murphy with Foothill-De Anza Board of Trustees President Laura Casas Frier; Cupertino Mayor Orrin Mahoney; Cupertino Councilmember Dolly Sandoval, who also serves as chair of the VTA board of directors; and Chris Schwarz, aide to U.S. Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.). Full Agenda **8:30-9:30 a.m. Tour Kirsch Center for Environmental Studies at **9:30-10:30 a.m. Welcome Science, Politics, and Vision of a Sustainable Future **10:30-11:30 a.m. Green Economy and Careers **11:30-12:15 p.m. Keynote Speakers and Panel Discussion **12:30-1:30 p.m. Round table Discussion with Policy Makers **1:30-2:30 p.m. Action Workshops **2:30-3:00 p.m. Reflection and Closure For details on the National Teach-in on Global Warming, see www.nationalteachin.org . Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009 Time: 9:30 a.m.-3:00 p.m. Duration: 5 hours 30 minutes Category: Community and Civic Engagement Location: Hinson Campus Center, Conference Rooms A&B Sponsor: Institute of Community and Civic Engagement Phone/Email: communityengagement at deanza.edu or 408.864.8349 From carolineyacoub at att.net Fri Feb 6 10:05:18 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:05:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: On the incrementalism article Message-ID: <718012.46754.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "Jsincalif at aol.com" To: gwhunt97 at sbcglobal.net; carolineyacoub at att.net; mcbeattie at jps.net; kbock3 at sbcglobal.net; PerrySandy at aol.com; monicasb at sbcglobal.net; jam at batnet.com; brogregm at sbcglobal.net; lcois33 at yahoo.com; biscayne140 at yahoo.com; bbjelane at gmail.com Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 8:32:41 AM Subject: On the incrementalism article ? Hello, Here is a public blogspot on healthcare issues. In the current entry are comments on a recent New Yorker article advocating incrementalism in healthcare reform, and my response countering?the article and?advocating for single-payer. http://sandipmadan.blogspot.com/2009/01/build-upon-or-rebuild-our-health-system.html http://sandipmadan.blogspot.com/ -- Jonathan Starr P.S.? Please forward this email to all the various relevant email lists.? Thanks. ________________________________ Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Fri Feb 6 12:20:25 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:20:25 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Kucinich Reintroduces Dept. of Peace Legislation Message-ID: The idea is a cabinet-level department http://www.thepeacealliance.org/content/view/12/67/ Local Co-sponsors: Rep. Farr, Sam [CA-17-D] Rep. Honda, Michael M. [CA-15-D] Rep. Lee, Barbara[CA-09-D] Rep. Miller, George [CA-07-D] Rep. Stark, Pete [CA-13-D] Rep. Tauscher, Ellen O. [CA-10-D] Rep. Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-06-D] _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcathy at aol.com Fri Feb 6 13:35:42 2009 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:35:42 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Alex Walker Withdrawal from SD26 Campaign Message-ID: <8CB56B9FEDE8D94-348-369@webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends, Monday, February 9, 2009 is the closing date for nominations for the special election for California's 26th State Senate District. After painstakingly analyzing the situation, I have reluctantly decided to withdraw from the campaign.? I still believe that 2010 will be a good year for the Green Party.? For that very reason, I have concluded that a 5% or 2% showing by me in a "vanity campaign" would probably do more harm to the ?Green Brand? than removing my name from the ballot.? I overestimated three factors when I decided to jump into the fray. First, I overestimated the "Obama Effect" and the euphoria about "Change" and a "New Politics" in America.? None of this has "trickled down" to California where Los Angeles Democrats have simply shifted to advertising themselves as "change agents" in a city where they are, in fact, agents of the status quo. Second, I overestimated the political effect of California's continuing budget and economic crisis. So far, there is mostly voter indifference to the possibility this state may run out of cash this month. Finally, I thought the passionate reaction to Proposition 8, including large demonstrations in West Los Angeles, might carry over into a revolt against local Democratic leaders who "sat on their hands," and allowed Proposition 8 to pass with "nods and winks" by those local Democratic leaders to gay-bashing religious leaders in my community. It's not happening. I have ther efore concluded that my campaign is clearly hopeless. If voters in SD26 want to cast a protest ballot on March 24th, then consider voting for Cindy Varela Henderson of the Peace and Freedom Party (Email: PeaceandFreedom at mail2world.com).? I very much appreciate those who signed my nominating petition, the many kind offers of contributions and help, the work done by Lisa Taylor collecting signatures, and especially the hard work done by my wife, Cathy Deppe, during these last crazy weeks.??? My friends, a green change is gonna come, but the time is not quite right.? 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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: alexcathy at aol.com Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:35:42 To: ; ; ; Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Alex Walker Withdrawal from SD26 Campaign _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From civillib at comcast.net Fri Feb 6 15:12:58 2009 From: civillib at comcast.net (civillib at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:12:58 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-CCWG] Alex Walker Withdrawal from SD26 Campaign In-Reply-To: <8CB56B9FEDE8D94-348-369@webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB56B9FEDE8D94-348-369@webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <498CC3FA.4060009@comcast.net> I understand and respect your position, Alex. It's always the candidate's call. That said, all of the things you mentioned are exactly what we could GENERATE if there were to be a campaign. Your candidacy gives us a platform to exploit the budget situation, the Prop 8 flashback to Dems, etc. Also - and this happened in my first congressional race as campaign manager - a third party candidate's exposure in a special election gives them a great opportunity to get publicity and respect from the news media that third parties do not normally get during "regular" elections. Further, after the special election run, and because of your familiarity to press (let alone voters), it gives you a better chance during the regular election. Still, you give good reasons for not pursuing the goal now. Stay in touch, Cres alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Friends, > > > > Monday, February 9, 2009 is the closing date for nominations for the special election for California's 26th State Senate District. After painstakingly analyzing the situation, I have reluctantly decided to withdraw from the campaign. > > > > I still believe that 2010 will be a good year for the Green Party. For that very reason, I have concluded that a 5% or 2% showing by me in a "vanity campaign" would probably do more harm to the ?Green Brand? than removing my name from the ballot. > > > > I overestimated three factors when I decided to jump into the fray. > > > > First, I overestimated the "Obama Effect" and the euphoria about "Change" and a "New Politics" in America. None of this has "trickled down" to California where Los Angeles Democrats have simply shifted to advertising themselves as "change agents" in a city where they are, in fact, agents of the status quo. > > > > Second, I overestimated the political effect of California's continuing budget and economic crisis. So far, there is mostly voter indifference to the possibility this state may run out of cash this month. > > > > Finally, I thought the passionate reaction to Proposition 8, including large demonstrations in West Los Angeles, might carry over into a revolt against local Democratic leaders who "sat on their hands," and allowed Proposition 8 to pass with "nods and winks" by those local Democratic leaders to gay-bashing religious leaders in my community. It's not happening. > > > > I have ther > efore concluded that my campaign is clearly hopeless. If voters in SD26 want to cast a protest ballot on March 24th, then consider voting for Cindy Varela Henderson of the Peace and Freedom Party (Email: PeaceandFreedom at mail2world.com). > > > > I very much appreciate those who signed my nominating petition, the many kind offers of contributions and help, the work done by Lisa Taylor collecting signatures, and especially the hard work done by my wife, Cathy Deppe, during these last crazy weeks. > > > > My friends, a green change is gonna come, but the time is not quite right. > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > Alex Walker > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gpca-ccwg mailing list > gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-ccwg From silverdollar33 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 15:46:47 2009 From: silverdollar33 at yahoo.com (Jerry Fritts) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:46:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-CCWG] Alex Walker Withdrawal from SD26 Campaign References: <8CB56B9FEDE8D94-348-369@webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com> <498CC3FA.4060009@comcast.net> Message-ID: <547383.69328.qm@web39708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with your assessmnet, Cres.? When I ran in the 4th AD in 2006, I knew that my odds of winning were from hopeless to zero, especially in this heavily conservative Republican area of Placer County.? Yet, I believed that the issues at stake were important to be express in the many venues offered by running.? The result was over 5,000 votes from people in the district who shared Green Party values and ideas.? As an opportunity to spread our message,? sign up new party members, and debate the issues, I don't regret the effort........after all, even Abraham Lincoln had to run 9 times before he was ever elected.? The bottom line is you may have to run several times, building an electoral base, before achieving success.? In my judgement, that's the effort 3rd party candidates may have to make. Jerry ________________________________ From: "civillib at comcast.net" To: alexcathy at aol.com Cc: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org; gpca-mediawg at lists.cagreens.org; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 3:12:58 PM Subject: Re: [GPCA-CCWG] Alex Walker Withdrawal from SD26 Campaign I understand and respect your position, Alex. It's always the candidate's call. That said, all of the things you mentioned are exactly what we could GENERATE if there were to be a campaign. Your candidacy gives us a platform to exploit the budget situation, the Prop 8 flashback to Dems, etc. Also - and this happened in my first congressional race as campaign manager - a third party candidate's exposure in a special election gives them a great opportunity to get publicity and respect from the news media that third parties do not normally get during "regular" elections. Further, after the special election run, and because of your familiarity to press (let alone voters), it gives you a better chance during the regular election. Still, you give good reasons for not pursuing the goal now. Stay in touch, Cres alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Friends, > > > > Monday, February 9, 2009 is the closing date for nominations for the special election for California's 26th State Senate District. After painstakingly analyzing the situation, I have reluctantly decided to withdraw from the campaign.? > > > > I still believe that 2010 will be a good year for the Green Party.? For that very reason, I have concluded that a 5% or 2% showing by me in a "vanity campaign" would probably do more harm to the ?Green Brand? than removing my name from the ballot.? > > > > I overestimated three factors when I decided to jump into the fray. > > > > First, I overestimated the "Obama Effect" and the euphoria about "Change" and a "New Politics" in America.? None of this has "trickled down" to California where Los Angeles Democrats have simply shifted to advertising themselves as "change agents" in a city where they are, in fact, agents of the status quo. > > > > Second, I overestimated the political effect of California's continuing budget and economic crisis. So far, there is mostly voter indifference to the possibility this state may run out of cash this month. > > > > Finally, I thought the passionate reaction to Proposition 8, including large demonstrations in West Los Angeles, might carry over into a revolt against local Democratic leaders who "sat on their hands," and allowed Proposition 8 to pass with "nods and winks" by those local Democratic leaders to gay-bashing religious leaders in my community. It's not happening. > > > > I have ther > efore concluded that my campaign is clearly hopeless. If voters in SD26 want to cast a protest ballot on March 24th, then consider voting for Cindy Varela Henderson of the Peace and Freedom Party (Email: PeaceandFreedom at mail2world.com).? > > > > I very much appreciate those who signed my nominating petition, the many kind offers of contributions and help, the work done by Lisa Taylor collecting signatures, and especially the hard work done by my wife, Cathy Deppe, during these last crazy weeks.? ? > > > > My friends, a green change is gonna come, but the time is not quite right.? > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > Alex Walker > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gpca-ccwg mailing list > gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-ccwg _______________________________________________ gpca-ccwg mailing list gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-ccwg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jplindblad at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:42:40 2009 From: jplindblad at gmail.com (Jack Lindblad) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:42:40 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-CCWG] Alex Walker Withdrawal from SD26 Campaign In-Reply-To: <547383.69328.qm@web39708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CB56B9FEDE8D94-348-369@webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com> <498CC3FA.4060009@comcast.net> <547383.69328.qm@web39708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Though the duopoly would like to see all elections, whether partisan or not, uncontested, every time a Green runs, there has to be a passionate desire (fire in the belly) to make a difference, to run and win on the issues even though the vote tally and polling place irregularities might deny the candidate the earned win. If we Greens had known that Cindy Varela Henderson of the Peace and Freedom Party PeaceandFreedom at mail2world.com had declared her intent, we should have discussed with the Peace and Freedom Party and Cindy whether a Green running in some other special election would be to the greater common good instead of pitting allied parties against each other in the same contest. A distillation of the issues not specific to the 4th AD but useful for us Greens running in California: First, the "Obama Effect" and the euphoria about "Change" and a "New Politics" in America was about the Democrat party being taken away from the Clintonistias (caving in to Dixicrats) by Barack Obama. Obama owns the Democrat Party. The local status quo, mafia payola Los Angeles Democrats in California simply shifted from supporting Hillary to advertising themselves as "change agents" coat-tailing on the Obama wave. We Greens need to ride the Obama wave on the issues we promote, the Ten Key Values. Second, The political effect of California's continuing budget and economic crisis must be held to account, and be made to devastate to both aspects of the duopoly. We Greens must channel any voter indifference to the possibility this state may run out of cash this month - into mass protest in the Streets. Finally, We Greens must channel the passionate reaction to Proposition 8, including large demonstrations in West Los Angeles into a revolt against local Democratic leaders who "sat on their hands," and allowed Proposition 8 to pass with "nods and winks" by those local Democratic leaders to gay-bashing religious leaders in the community. We Greens must make ithappen by supporting a California Supreme Court decision asserting the Civil Rights of all the People to marry and enjoy benefits so far sliced and diced by certain religions over others. A case of separation of Church and State. A case of ensuring Civil Rights for All. A case of Social Justice. Red Green Jack Valencia Lindblad LindbladForAssembly.blogspot.com 2008 and 2010 Green Party Candidate, California Assembly, 39th District National Committee and Presidential Nominating Convention Delegate http://five.sentenc.es/ On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Jerry Fritts wrote: > I agree with your assessmnet, Cres. When I ran in the 4th AD in 2006, I > knew that my odds of winning were from hopeless to zero, especially in this > heavily conservative Republican area of Placer County. Yet, I believed that > the issues at stake were important to be express in the many venues offered > by running. > > The result was over 5,000 votes from people in the district who shared > Green Party values and ideas. As an opportunity to spread our message, > sign up new party members, and debate the issues, I don't regret the > effort........after all, even Abraham Lincoln had to run 9 times before he > was ever elected. The bottom line is you may have to run several times, > building an electoral base, before achieving success. In my judgement, > that's the effort 3rd party candidates may have to make. > > Jerry > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "civillib at comcast.net" > *To:* alexcathy at aol.com > *Cc:* gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org; gpca-mediawg at lists.cagreens.org; > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > *Sent:* Friday, February 6, 2009 3:12:58 PM > *Subject:* Re: [GPCA-CCWG] Alex Walker Withdrawal from SD26 Campaign > > I understand and respect your position, Alex. It's always the candidate's > call. > > That said, all of the things you mentioned are exactly what we could > GENERATE if > there were to be a campaign. Your candidacy gives us a platform to exploit > the > budget situation, the Prop 8 flashback to Dems, etc. > > Also - and this happened in my first congressional race as campaign manager > - a > third party candidate's exposure in a special election gives them a great > opportunity to get publicity and respect from the news media that third > parties > do not normally get during "regular" elections. > > Further, after the special election run, and because of your familiarity to > > press (let alone voters), it gives you a better chance during the regular > election. > > Still, you give good reasons for not pursuing the goal now. Stay in touch, > > Cres > > > > alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > Monday, February 9, 2009 is the closing date for nominations for the > special election for California's 26th State Senate District. After > painstakingly analyzing the situation, I have reluctantly decided to > withdraw from the campaign. > > > > > > > > I still believe that 2010 will be a good year for the Green Party. For > that very reason, I have concluded that a 5% or 2% showing by me in a > "vanity campaign" would probably do more harm to the "Green Brand" than > removing my name from the ballot. > > > > > > > > I overestimated three factors when I decided to jump into the fray. > > > > > > > > First, I overestimated the "Obama Effect" and the euphoria about "Change" > and a "New Politics" in America. None of this has "trickled down" to > California where Los Angeles Democrats have simply shifted to advertising > themselves as "change agents" in a city where they are, in fact, agents of > the status quo. > > > > > > > > Second, I overestimated the political effect of California's continuing > budget and economic crisis. So far, there is mostly voter indifference to > the possibility this state may run out of cash this month. > > > > > > > > Finally, I thought the passionate reaction to Proposition 8, including > large demonstrations in West Los Angeles, might carry over into a revolt > against local Democratic leaders who "sat on their hands," and allowed > Proposition 8 to pass with "nods and winks" by those local Democratic > leaders to gay-bashing religious leaders in my community. It's not > happening. > > > > > > > > I have ther > > efore concluded that my campaign is clearly hopeless. If voters in SD26 > want to cast a protest ballot on March 24th, then consider voting for Cindy > Varela Henderson of the Peace and Freedom Party (Email: > PeaceandFreedom at mail2world.com). > > > > > > > > I very much appreciate those who signed my nominating petition, the many > kind offers of contributions and help, the work done by Lisa Taylor > collecting signatures, and especially the hard work done by my wife, Cathy > Deppe, during these last crazy weeks. > > > > > > > > My friends, a green change is gonna come, but the time is not quite > right. > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex Walker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gpca-ccwg mailing list > > gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-ccwg > _______________________________________________ > gpca-ccwg mailing list > gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-ccwg > > > _______________________________________________ > gpca-ccwg mailing list > gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-ccwg > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Sun Feb 8 00:01:18 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:01:18 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-CCWG] Alex Walker Withdrawal from SD26Campaign In-Reply-To: <547383.69328.qm@web39708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CB56B9FEDE8D94-348-369@webmail-me21.sysops.aol.com><498CC3FA.4060009@comcast.net> <547383.69328.qm@web39708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <498E914E.1060209@aceweb.com> (Puts on tin foil had and cogitates deeply for a few milliseconds or so) I think he dropped out because the CIA beamed a "Nattering Nabobs of Negativism (NNN) ray on him from one of their black helicopters. (Puts away hollyweird headgear...) Jerry Fritts wrote: > I agree with your assessmnet, Cres. When I ran in the 4th AD in 2006, I > knew that my odds of winning were from hopeless to zero, especially in > this heavily conservative Republican area of Placer County. Yet, I > believed that the issues at stake were important to be express in the > many venues offered by running. > > The result was over 5,000 votes from people in the district who shared > Green Party values and ideas. As an opportunity to spread our message, > sign up new party members, and debate the issues, I don't regret the > effort........after all, even Abraham Lincoln had to run 9 times before > he was ever elected. The bottom line is you may have to run several > times, building an electoral base, before achieving success. In my > judgement, that's the effort 3rd party candidates may have to make. > > Jerry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "civillib at comcast.net" > *To:* alexcathy at aol.com > *Cc:* gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org; gpca-mediawg at lists.cagreens.org; > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > *Sent:* Friday, February 6, 2009 3:12:58 PM > *Subject:* Re: [GPCA-CCWG] Alex Walker Withdrawal from SD26 Campaign > > I understand and respect your position, Alex. It's always the > candidate's call. > > That said, all of the things you mentioned are exactly what we could > GENERATE if > there were to be a campaign. Your candidacy gives us a platform to > exploit the > budget situation, the Prop 8 flashback to Dems, etc. > > Also - and this happened in my first congressional race as campaign > manager - a > third party candidate's exposure in a special election gives them a great > opportunity to get publicity and respect from the news media that third > parties > do not normally get during "regular" elections. > > Further, after the special election run, and because of your familiarity to > press (let alone voters), it gives you a better chance during the > regular election. > > Still, you give good reasons for not pursuing the goal now. Stay in touch, > > Cres > > > > alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > Monday, February 9, 2009 is the closing date for nominations for the > > special election for California's 26th State Senate District. After > > painstakingly analyzing the situation, I have reluctantly decided to > > withdraw from the campaign. > > > > > > > > I still believe that 2010 will be a good year for the Green Party. > > For that very reason, I have concluded that a 5% or 2% showing by me in > > a "vanity campaign" would probably do more harm to the ?Green Brand? > > than removing my name from the ballot. > > > > > > > > I overestimated three factors when I decided to jump into the fray. > > > > > > > > First, I overestimated the "Obama Effect" and the euphoria about > > "Change" and a "New Politics" in America. None of this has "trickled > > down" to California where Los Angeles Democrats have simply shifted to > > advertising themselves as "change agents" in a city where they are, in > > fact, agents of the status quo. > > > > > > > > Second, I overestimated the political effect of California's > > continuing budget and economic crisis. So far, there is mostly voter > > indifference to the possibility this state may run out of cash this month. > > > > > > > > Finally, I thought the passionate reaction to Proposition 8, > > including large demonstrations in West Los Angeles, might carry over > > into a revolt against local Democratic leaders who "sat on their hands," > > and allowed Proposition 8 to pass with "nods and winks" by those local > > Democratic leaders to gay-bashing religious leaders in my community. > > It's not happening. > > > > > > > > I have ther > > efore concluded that my campaign is clearly hopeless. If voters in > > SD26 want to cast a protest ballot on March 24th, then consider voting > > for Cindy Varela Henderson of the Peace and Freedom Party (Email: > > PeaceandFreedom at mail2world.com ). > > > > > > > > I very much appreciate those who signed my nominating petition, the > > many kind offers of contributions and help, the work done by Lisa Taylor > > collecting signatures, and especially the hard work done by my wife, > > Cathy Deppe, during these last crazy weeks. > > > > > > > > My friends, a green change is gonna come, but the time is not quite > > right. > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > Alex Walker > > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Last year in five State Assembly races the Green candidate got more votes than the Republican candidate. Four of them were in Maine. The other one was in Minnesota. From egroups at duendevision.com Sun Feb 8 06:20:26 2009 From: egroups at duendevision.com (Duende) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 08:20:26 -0600 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Adios Message-ID: <635C6A4B-57CE-43B3-924B-33F7ACDC1BCC@duendevision.com> I just want to say good bye to all of you on this list whose paths have crossed with mine. I've been living in Guatemala for the last two months and am loving the experience. I've stayed on the list for old times sake but bandwidth is pretty limited here so I've got to cut lose. If anyone has any experiences in this neck of the woods and can give me some input as to the possibilities of doing green type work (think organic gardening) down here I'd love to hear from you at duende at duendevision.com . In the mean time, check out the website I created for my partner. www.sharyanka.com The shift is occuring. Peace be to All Duende From pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com Sun Feb 8 14:43:36 2009 From: pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com (Paul & Mary Engstrom) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:43:36 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Adios In-Reply-To: <635C6A4B-57CE-43B3-924B-33F7ACDC1BCC@duendevision.com> References: <635C6A4B-57CE-43B3-924B-33F7ACDC1BCC@duendevision.com> Message-ID: <7EBF8B07-075B-4044-BA08-BD6B75BC5FC9@macreviewzone.com> Hi Duende Here are some contacts in Guatemala which may add to your having further good experience there. These people I am sure would be compatible with Green ideas. 1--Martha Dugan 011-502-832-5650 , or 011-502 7832-5653 e-mail mardugan at earthlink.net 2--Loren Lacelle 011-502-843-5510 3-- Kitty Brown 011 502-5700-5129 e-mail karenbrown at connexion.com.gt 4-- guatemalafriends.org 5-- Guatemala Monthly Metting Apartado,sacatepequez 03901 Guatemala Enjoy Guatemala 's beautiful scenery, its wonderful culture and people and continuance of your interest in humanity With hope for democracy and peace for all--- Paul On Feb 8, 2009, at 6:20 AM, Duende wrote: > I just want to say good bye to all of you on this list whose paths > have crossed with mine. I've been living in Guatemala for the last two > months and am loving the experience. I've stayed on the list for old > times sake but bandwidth is pretty limited here so I've got to cut > lose. > > If anyone has any experiences in this neck of the woods and can give > me some input as to the possibilities of doing green type work (think > organic gardening) down here I'd love to hear from you at duende at duendevision.com > . > > In the mean time, check out the website I created for my partner. > > www.sharyanka.com > > The shift is occuring. > > Peace be to All > > > > Duende > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From carolineyacoub at att.net Sun Feb 8 22:18:19 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:18:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] February 4, 2009 Green Party Meeting Message-ID: <256143.43753.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In attendance: Peter, Drew, Cameron, Brian, Jim Doyle, Tian, David, Caroline, Merriam, Fred, Valerie. Facilitator--Peter.? Time Keeper--Tian.? Note-taker--Caroline.? Vibes Watcher--Fred. Introductions.? Agenda Changes. Added a talk by Tian, a Gathering with San Mateo, and curbing conduct of members. Deleted Roy Nordblum's tome, as he wasn't present. Tian's talk about New Zealand politics was extremely interesting. They have many parties and a complicated voting system. Indigenous people (the Maori) must be represented and can offer legislative proposals in their own language. Treasurer's Report? We now have $1,870, because of paying the phone bill and purchasing supplies for tabling kits. Major contributors have been Andrea, Fred, Mike, Gerry, and Drew. Major fund-raising activities were the yard sale and Junior State. Stop Recruiting Our Kids? David Ledesma explained why he decided to disassociate the fund-raising event from the Green Party. He also reported the Palo Alto venue has fallen through, but they are working on getting a site in San Jose. It was expressed that we hope we can table at the event. Drew, speaking for theSanta Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition, said that if the military is given time to talk to the kids,? we should be given equal time. CiviCRM? Cameron reported that we now have a place to store information which we can pull out in many useful ways. It is internal to our county. Regional Gathering with San Mateo In addition to having fun activities at the Gathering, we should run the training tapes for candidates and campaign staff. We also need to elect a Regional Rep. (Warner reports that this does not need to be done at a joint meeting.) Drew is working with Ray Toby on the Gathering. They are shooting for a date in late March. Candidates? Wes suggested we get someone on the Water Board. Peter reported that Dave Schwaderer is thinking of running for a board position of the Mid-Peninsula Open Space District. Tian said the Registrar of Voters website lists all offices, terms, and when they will come up for election. This would be very helpful to an election committee. Peter is going to South America for six months, so we need someone else to form an election committee. Accountability? The Impeachment Coalition has become the Accountability Coalition. Brian volunteered to prepare a write-up about the Accountability Coalition. Tabling Kits Caroline demonstrated the tabling kits and passed out copies of the Green Party press release on Oscar Grant so there would be something current in the tabling kits. Tabling Events Jim got authorization to pay $100 for Juneteenth, which Fred, Tian, and Caroline will work. Drew is in charge. Jim also got authorization to spend $250 for the 4th of July celebration in San Jose. As this is a three day event, we will need lots of people to participate? Tian and Drew volunteered to do tabling at De Anza on February 5. Whistleblowers? Brian would like to make San Francisco a whistleblower refuge, where members of the Bush cabinet and others with knowledge of high crimes could go and be safe. Merriam said if there was a safe place for 9/11 whistleblowers, we could clear that up. Earth Day Palo Alto and Sunnyvale are in the midst of a greening process. Merriam discussed the Peninsula Conservation Center, Acterra, and CEAP. We need someone to look into cities in the county that are not yet doing a program of this kind to see if the Green Party can become a cosponsor and get our name out there. Wes' suggestion was discussed. We would like the south county Greens to do an Earth Day event, perhaps involving Pete McClosky, since he was in on the first Earth Day. Or perhaps it could be in San Mateo, since that was McClosky's constituency. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Mon Feb 9 01:49:47 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:49:47 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Answers to questions on the NZ ballot I had at the meeting... Message-ID: <498FFC3B.2050000@aceweb.com> Hi Tian, I can answer most of your questions, and a couple I'll have to make a phone call over because I think the system has changed a little. > a) how long does it take to vote? it took me ten minutes, a 5 minute queue, a couple of minutes to track my name, cross it off and hand me a voting form, a couple of minutes to fill it in (no hard decisions here) and a minute to post it and leave > > b) Is cheating by big parties a problem? There's no news that any of the parties cheat. The most that happens is that there's a handful of people who vote twice, mostly people who don't know what they're doing, i.e. elders with memory problems. Anyone who's thought to vote twice maliciously gets tracked and prosecuted, otherwise the votes are simply discounted. > c) How long does it take to count votes, and how do they do it? The polling places close at 7pm and a whole bunch of people at electorate headquarters count the ballots by hand. The tv reports all the results coming in from every electorate around the country. The smaller booths return their results first. This election cycle the result of the election was known by about 9.30pm, only 2 1/2 hours. The checking for double votes happens afterwards. We don't get a final result for three weeks because that's how long it takes for special votes and overseas votes to be counted. special votes are those that are cast outside of the area where the person is registered as a voter. This is the piece of info I will check and confirm back to you. i spoke with a Returning Officer a month ago and she told me that had new systems, but I didn't hear what they were. bye for now Rosalie -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Last year in five State Assembly races the Green candidate got more votes than the Republican candidate. Four of them were in Maine. The other one was in Minnesota. From alexcathy at aol.com Mon Feb 9 07:41:57 2009 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:41:57 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] LATimes "Blowback" - Don't Give Jerry Brown a Third Term Message-ID: <8CB58E4134BA42B-1574-D0D@webmail-dx04.sysops.aol.com> Dear Greens Friends, Interesting "Blowback" article posted on the Los Angeles Times Web Site today charging Democratic Governor Jerry Brown with being partly to blame for California's property tax mess.? Brown, the "New Democrat" Democrat of his day, was an opportunist exploiting the post-Watergate "anti-Gummint" mood to help whip up the "No New Taxes" mob when California had budget surpluses in the 1970s.? It shows what kind of crazy political world we are living in that none other than, of all people, Republican Gov. Ronald Reagan, beat back that reckless mob in 1972.? I knew much of this story, but was unfamiliar with the nuances about Jerry Brown.? This is *MORE DAMNING EVIDENCE* that the Great California Crackup is a *BI-PARTISAN* disaster.? Today, it's not "politically correct" for any "serious" candidate for public office in California to criticize even the most obvious flaws in Prop 13.? = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = From the Los Angeles Times Blowback Don't Give Jerry Brown a Third Term His failure to stop Prop. 13 from passing plunged California into the economic chaos that still afflicts the state. By Jackson K. Putnam February 9, 2009 California Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown's candidacy for governor -- detailed in the Feb. 2 Times article "35 years later, Jerry Brown runs for governor again" -- should give voters the following alert: If you like the fiscal straight jacket and economic chaos that have afflicted California since 1978 when the Proposition 13 era began, then vote for Brown in 2010. After all, he was singly the most responsible for the passage of the anti-property-tax law responsible for the state's never-ending budget malaise. When Gov. Ronald Reagan was confronted with nearly identical anti-tax efforts in 1968 and 1972 (the so-called Watson amendments), he allied with Democratic Assembly speakers Jesse M. Unruh and Bob Moretti to defeat the measures. By noting that the massive loss to the state of property-tax revenues would force equally massive increases in sales and income taxes to balance the state budget, they induced voters to snow the measures under both times. Read More at: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-putnam9-2009feb09,0,2148954.story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcathy at aol.com Mon Feb 9 09:51:17 2009 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:51:17 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-CCWG] Alex Walker Mea Culpa In-Reply-To: <498F41CD.9030403@bionictoad.com> References: <498F41CD.9030403@bionictoad.com> Message-ID: <8CB58F62491C384-1574-1806@webmail-dx04.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends, I didn't want to waste space talking about my doomed campaign, but I do want to publicly offer a mea culpa. The failings of my aborted campaign were strictly my own.? Warner Bloomberg has literally been a "voice crying in the wilderness" for years about the need for candidates to get organized early.? For years Warner has been saying this while working tirelessly to keep the Campaign and Candidates Working Group alive in spite of the silly factionalism and petty nitpicking that goes on in the California Green Party. At one point, I volunteered to help Warner at the plenary up in Berkeley.? And then, because of some personal issues in my life,? I ended up disappointing Warner, too.? I do apologize to Warner and I do appreciate the professional advice he offered my campaign in spite of what I had done to him.? Last Spring, my State Sen. Mark Ridley-Thomas and my City Councilor, Bernard Parks emerged as the two front-running candidates for L.A. County Supervisor.? Accordingly, I knew a year ago that there would likely be a special election for one of those two offices this year.? Instead of starting to organize then, I hesitated.? I wasn't sure that I would be a good candidate.? In fact, I know I'm not a good candidate because I am basically a shy person without the extroverted personality that natural leaders always have. I had witnessed Daniel Brezenoff's brave campaign for Congress in a Special Election.? I am20ashamed to say, in the beginning, I was one of those who privately criticized Greens for not running a "Person of Color" in that majority minority district. At the same time, I have also developed a reputation within the party for being critical of Black Greens who sit around all the time bitch, bitch, bitchin' about alleged "racism" in the Green Party but who somehow never ever get around to publicly taking a Green Party stand against those awful Black Democratic Party Hacks swaggering around as infallible leaders of "Our Community."? Taking all that into account, when it looked like nobody would run in this current Special Election in inner-city L.A. amidst all the post-election hype about Barack Obama and "Change" in America, I foolishly jumped in at the last minute unprepared.? The first problem was just collecting signatures to get on the ballot. On paper it says we have 3,000 registered Greens in my district, but since we have no really good list of Green voters, it was a pain-in-the-ass contacting them and running around to gather a lousy 150 signatures.? Over and over Warner has said candidates should organize a fundraising committee before announcing their candidacy.? I was running around like a fool trying to set up a fundraising committee at the same time I was trying to collect signatures.? So, when people signed the petition and said: "This is great!? I'm glad you're running.? Can I give you a check?" I had to say "No wait! I'll=2 0have to get back to you on that."? That was, of course, the wrong answer. Meanwhile, I was paying for campaign expenses out of my own pocket.? Then there is the continuing problem of a Total MSM Blackout of Green candidates.? It's like the Green Party of the 2000s has become the Communist Party of the 1950s.? You cannot get so much as a "Letter-to-the-Editor" saying something nice about the Green Party past the corporate censors. This very day the Los Angeles Times has a "Blowback" commentary titled "Don't Give Jerry Brown a Third Term" on its web site rightly blaming Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown for encouraging the Prop 13 tax revolt in the 1970s.? I know for a fact that the L.A. Times has rejected op-ed pieces making some of the same points that also included kind words about the Green Party.? I, myself, submitted op-eds to the LA Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, and two supposedly "progressive" California-based web sites, Salon and Truthdig with the title "Peter Camejo Was Right."? Truthdig is edited by Robert Scheer, longtime columnist for the Los Angeles Times and The Nation.? In late 2007, made a big show of debating Ralph Nader arguing the absurd premise that the new improved Democratic Party "as imperfect as the Democratic Party is, it?s the home of progressives."? In that debate, Ralph tried to get Scheer to look past the obvious "Big Issues" where Republicans and Democrats obviously differ, and examine what Democrats actually do in terms of th ings like the environment, health care, worker health and safety, and finanical regulation affecting the lives of the very people are supposed to be representing.? Scheer dismissed Nader's complete, but considering that Robert Scheer is an L.A. guys and that Truthdig is based? on 1158 26th Street, Santa Monica, California, Scheer's total indifference to what is happening here is making Ralph Nader's case. ? My "Peter Camejo Was Right" op-eds were all rejected, of course.? Even in death Peter Camejo is "blacklisted" even though his nationally televised words in the 2003 recall debate have proved phophetic.? Why?? I really don't know.? He's blacklisted, I guess, for being a "spoiler" for That Great Statesman, Cruz Bustamante.? ?? *? *? * As I said before, I still think 2010 will be a good year for us. I really, really, think this idea of organizing a big coordinated push in 2010 is a great idea.? There are ways to work around all of my problems, but those methods require long-term planning. For example, let's say we have 5 candidates running for the state assembly from the Los Angeles area in 2010.? We develop a good clean database of all the registered Greens.? And then, when it's time to collect signatures, we just invite Greens to come to a big picnic at the beach or in a public park and collect hundreds of signatures with one stroke.? I'd like to see a little documentary film about our statewide Green issues:20Green jobs, renewable energy, water, oil-drilling, public transportation.? In his doomed campaign for Congress, Byron De Lear was giving away DVDs with a slick message.? Byron was wealthy, so unlike me and most of our candidates, he could afford to squander his fortune in this way.? It's way beyond the capacity of any individual candidate to produce such a film, but the party as a whole could do it.? How to work around the media blackout?? We can use the Internet, alternative media, and the "New Media."? I "surf" the Internet everyday, but when I started my campaign, I did not have a complete list of friendly blogs.? Thanks to Wes Rolley, the announcement was posted on a few of them, but not nearly enough.? Just the other day Mike Feinstein posted a link to an L.A.-based blog called "Native Intelligence."? I was shocked.? I never even heard of it before.? We can also exploit these little cable television shows that Cres is always talking about.? We need to have our stuff translated into Spanish for op-eds in the Spanish language newspapers.? We need to connect to the little community news.? The community newspapers in Santa Monica have been pretty good with Green candidates.? We have to go around the hopeless corporate mainstream press.? Here again, this is hard work for an individual guerilla campaign. Some posters here have romanticized so-called disenfranchised voters.? I am not exactly sure who that is a reference too.C2 If it's a reference to non-voting, surly, youngsters in the "ghetto" I can tell you from my experience (even though it's not "politically correct" to say so) that, at this stage of the political game in America, reaching out to that group is almost a total waste of time.? Show me the "alienated voter" in the "ghetto" who couldn't drag himself to the polls to vote for either Barack Obama or Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente in 2008, and I'll show you a likely recruit for a neo-Nazi party. Somebody needs to reach out to those guys, but that's work for a priest or a social worker and not organizers of a serious political party. ? Our best bet is to go for registered "Decline to State" voters who do vote.? They are true independents.? Start with registered Greens, add true independents, registered Peace and Freedom voters, throw in a few thinking Republicans and Libertarians and you've got a pretty good voting bloc in California.? But here again, it takes time to do all this.? It was all I could do in a few weeks to come up a "clean" list of Green voters with phone numbers and e-mails for petition signatures in my district.? ? *? *? * So, even though I could have gotten on the ballot, I concluded that my campaign between February 9th and March 24th was hopeless and some ridiculously low vote would hurt more than help the "Green brand" in the future.? I have been humbled by this experience.? Therefore, one good result may=2 0be that I'll be "mouthing off" a little less. ?? Alex Walker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WB4D23 at aol.com Mon Feb 9 16:11:28 2009 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:11:28 EST Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Internment Order Commemoration This Sunday (Feb 15th) in Japantown Message-ID: 29th Annual San Jose Day of Remembrance "Witness To History" Sunday, February 15, 2009 5:30pm-7:30pm San Jose Buddhist Church Betsuin 640 North Fifth Street, San Jose, CA Free and open to the public The Day of Remembrance commemorates the anniversary of Executive Order 9066 which led to the forced incarceration of 120,000 people of Japanese descent, two-thirds of whom were American citizens. Each year, we gather to remember that great civil liberties tragedy and each one of us reflects on what that event means to us today. The Day of Remembrance is an event that aims to bring different communities together in order to build trust, respect and understanding among all people and to renew our pledge to fight for equality, justice and peace. **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From civillib at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 10:57:20 2009 From: civillib at comcast.net (civillib at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:57:20 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [GPCA-CCWG] Alex Walker Mea Culpa In-Reply-To: <8CB58F62491C384-1574-1806@webmail-dx04.sysops.aol.com> References: <498F41CD.9030403@bionictoad.com> <8CB58F62491C384-1574-1806@webmail-dx04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49907C90.8080507@comcast.net> Alex, I am not on the discussion lists above, so if you feel I need to do so, please forward this. Let me say this about your concerns about "media blackouts." Despite the belief by most progressives that they cannot get "corporate" media to cover them, in fact, there really is not any kind of "blackout." This is a myth that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Virtually every day,I manage to garner television, radio and print coverage for progressives causes, including the Green Party. While I am a veteran news reporter, and now a media strategist, and have some advantage, the basics of doing this are not difficult. It's not so much of a "blackout" but a knowledge of how to "use" the corporate media. I know this will shock some, but they all are not out to get us. And, while we give up, and move to "alternative" media outlets (to reach mostly those who already support our views), we lose our ability to reach the voters we need to reach most via the "corporate" media. I am very confident we could have garnered the media you believe you would not have gotten. I offered my assistance, and even though you are not running now, the offer is still out there. RE: "Fundraising" Committee. Forming a PAC (Political Action Committee) with the FPPC/Sec of State would have taken minutes to do...again, these are the kind of things that are easy if you have done it before. And, some of us have run campaigns before and could have arranged this for you. But Alex, this is not your fault. You should NOT have been left alone. Some of us did offer to help in these basic tasks, but it sounds like you did not have the support necessary locally to start, let alone run this campaign. It does not take much, but it does take some effort by others. So, again, I will renew my offer to help, re: media and requisite "legal" to help in your campaign. If you are thinking about 2010, you should have your exploratory committee in place by mid-year. Or earlier. If you need to set up that PAC, let me know. Good luck, Cres Vellucci GPCA Press Secretary alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Friends, > > > > I didn't want to waste space talking about my doomed campaign, but I do want to publicly offer a mea culpa. The failings of my aborted campaign were strictly my own. > > > > Warner Bloomberg has literally been a "voice crying in the wilderness" for years about the need for candidates to get organized early. For years Warner has been saying this while working tirelessly to keep the Campaign and Candidates Working Group alive in spite of the silly factionalism and petty nitpicking that goes on in the California Green Party. At one point, I volunteered to help Warner at the plenary up in Berkeley. And then, because of some personal issues in my life, I ended up disappointing Warner, too. I do apologize to Warner and I do appreciate the professional advice he offered my campaign in spite of what I had done to him. > > > > Last Spring, my State Sen. Mark Ridley-Thomas and my City Councilor, Bernard Parks emerged as the two front-running candidates for L.A. County Supervisor. Accordingly, I knew a year ago that there would likely be a special election for one of those two offices this year. Instead of starting to organize then, I hesitated. I wasn't sure that I would be a good candidate. In fact, I know I'm not a good candidate because I am basically a shy person without the extroverted personality that natural leaders always have. > > > > I had witnessed Daniel Brezenoff's brave campaign for Congress in a Special Election. I am20ashamed to say, in the beginning, I was one of those who privately criticized Greens for not running a "Person of Color" in that majority minority district. At the same time, I have also developed a reputation within the party for being critical of Black Greens who sit around all the time bitch, bitch, bitchin' about alleged "racism" in the Green Party but who somehow never ever get around to publicly taking a Green Party stand against those awful Black Democratic Party Hacks swaggering around as infallible leaders of "Our Community." > > > > Taking all that into account, when it looked like nobody would run in this current Special Election in inner-city L.A. amidst all the post-election hype about Barack Obama and "Change" in America, I foolishly jumped in at the last minute unprepared. > > The first problem was just collecting signatures to get on the ballot. On paper it says we have 3,000 registered Greens in my district, but since we have no really good list of Green voters, it was a pain-in-the-ass contacting them and running around to gather a lousy 150 signatures. > > Over and over Warner has said candidates should organize a fundraising committee before announcing their candidacy. I was running around like a fool trying to set up a fundraising committee at the same time I was trying to collect signatures. So, when people signed the petition and said: > > > > "This is great! I'm glad you're running. Can I give you a check?" > > > > I had to say "No wait! I'll=2 > 0have to get back to you on that." That was, of course, the wrong answer. Meanwhile, I was paying for campaign expenses out of my own pocket. > > > > Then there is the continuing problem of a Total MSM Blackout of Green candidates. It's like the Green Party of the 2000s has become the Communist Party of the 1950s. You cannot get so much as a "Letter-to-the-Editor" saying something nice about the Green Party past the corporate censors. This very day the Los Angeles Times has a "Blowback" commentary titled "Don't Give Jerry Brown a Third Term" on its web site rightly blaming Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown for encouraging the Prop 13 tax revolt in the 1970s. I know for a fact that the L.A. Times has rejected op-ed pieces making some of the same points that also included kind words about the Green Party. I, myself, submitted op-eds to the LA Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, and two supposedly "progressive" California-based web sites, Salon and Truthdig with the title "Peter Camejo Was Right." Truthdig is edited by Robert Scheer, longtime columnist for the Los Angeles Times and The Nation. In late 2007, made a big show of debating Ralph Nader arguing the absurd premise that the new improved Democratic Party "as imperfect as the Democratic Party is, it?s the home of progressives." In that debate, Ralph tried to get Scheer to look past the obvious "Big Issues" where Republicans and Democrats obviously differ, and examine what Democrats actually do in terms of th > ings like the environment, health care, worker health and safety, and finanical regulation affecting the lives of the very people are supposed to be representing. Scheer dismissed Nader's complete, but considering that Robert Scheer is an L.A. guys and that Truthdig is based on 1158 26th Street, Santa Monica, California, Scheer's total indifference to what is happening here is making Ralph Nader's case. > > My "Peter Camejo Was Right" op-eds were all rejected, of course. Even in death Peter Camejo is "blacklisted" even though his nationally televised words in the 2003 recall debate have proved phophetic. Why? I really don't know. He's blacklisted, I guess, for being a "spoiler" for That Great Statesman, Cruz Bustamante. > > > > * * * > > > > As I said before, I still think 2010 will be a good year for us. I really, really, think this idea of organizing a big coordinated push in 2010 is a great idea. There are ways to work around all of my problems, but those methods require long-term planning. > > > > For example, let's say we have 5 candidates running for the state assembly from the Los Angeles area in 2010. We develop a good clean database of all the registered Greens. And then, when it's time to collect signatures, we just invite Greens to come to a big picnic at the beach or in a public park and collect hundreds of signatures with one stroke. I'd like to see a little documentary film about our statewide Green issues:20Green jobs, renewable energy, water, oil-drilling, public transportation. In his doomed campaign for Congress, Byron De Lear was giving away DVDs with a slick message. Byron was wealthy, so unlike me and most of our candidates, he could afford to squander his fortune in this way. It's way beyond the capacity of any individual candidate to produce such a film, but the party as a whole could do it. > > > > How to work around the media blackout? > > > > We can use the Internet, alternative media, and the "New Media." I "surf" the Internet everyday, but when I started my campaign, I did not have a complete list of friendly blogs. Thanks to Wes Rolley, the announcement was posted on a few of them, but not nearly enough. Just the other day Mike Feinstein posted a link to an L.A.-based blog called "Native Intelligence." I was shocked. I never even heard of it before. We can also exploit these little cable television shows that Cres is always talking about. We need to have our stuff translated into Spanish for op-eds in the Spanish language newspapers. We need to connect to the little community news. The community newspapers in Santa Monica have been pretty good with Green candidates. We have to go around the hopeless corporate mainstream press. Here again, this is hard work for an individual guerilla campaign. > > Some posters here have romanticized so-called disenfranchised voters. I am not exactly sure who that is a reference too.C2 If it's a reference to non-voting, surly, youngsters in the "ghetto" I can tell you from my experience (even though it's not "politically correct" to say so) that, at this stage of the political game in America, reaching out to that group is almost a total waste of time. Show me the "alienated voter" in the "ghetto" who couldn't drag himself to the polls to vote for either Barack Obama or Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente in 2008, and I'll show you a likely recruit for a neo-Nazi party. Somebody needs to reach out to those guys, but that's work for a priest or a social worker and not organizers of a serious political party. > > Our best bet is to go for registered "Decline to State" voters who do vote. They are true independents. Start with registered Greens, add true independents, registered Peace and Freedom voters, throw in a few thinking Republicans and Libertarians and you've got a pretty good voting bloc in California. But here again, it takes time to do all this. It was all I could do in a few weeks to come up a "clean" list of Green voters with phone numbers and e-mails for petition signatures in my district. > > * * * > > > So, even though I could have gotten on the ballot, I concluded that my campaign between February 9th and March 24th was hopeless and some ridiculously low vote would hurt more than help the "Green brand" in the future. I have been humbled by this experience. Therefore, one good result may=2 > 0be that I'll be "mouthing off" a little less. > > > Alex Walker > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gpca-ccwg mailing list > gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-ccwg From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 01:52:34 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:52:34 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Torture of Mr. Binyam Mohamed Went Far Beyond Waterboarding Message-ID: The Conservative British newspaper, the Telegraph, is up in arms because Brits knew about it. They add that the House Judiciary Committee is trying to get the full report from President Obama. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/4551441/UK-government-suppressed-evidence-on-Binyam-Mohamed-torture-because-MI6-helped-his-interrogators.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Tue Feb 10 09:34:00 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:34:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Registering Greens-- PLEASE READ Message-ID: <665483.12377.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sent this out before, but there was a whole lot of other stuff (pages and pages), so some of you might have skipped it. You don't need to table or have a tabling kit to register people. You can get registration forms at the Post Office. Even our frequent tablers have been saying they aren't having much luck registering people. I think the following sample dialogue is very helpful. You can read it in two minutes. WE NEED MORE GREENS! And please read the part about the Contact sheet. Caroline :-) > >???? i find if i say, "Let me ask you about your? political > values... Are you > >for PEACE ?"... The answer is "Yes" > >???? "Are you for BETTER WAGES?"? The answer is? almost always "Yes" > >???? "Are you for EQUAL RIGHTS ?"? The answer is "Yes" > >???? "Are you for Protecting the ENVIRONMENT ?" The? answer is "Yes", 95% of > >the time... > > > >???? "So you are a Green", i say... > > > > > >Some Common (initial) Resistance? +? Response? Examples : > > > >A) - > >Voter says, But everyone wants Peace. > > > >Tabler says, Where there's the WILL for Peace, there WILL be Peace... and > >give examples such as Joschke Fischer, Green Foreign Minister for Germany, > >influencing Germany not to join the Iraq War... > >??????????????????? Make? note of the fact that Democrat AND Republican > >politicians vote themselves hefty? pay raises, while the minimum > >wage remains a > >POVERTY wage... (Now is a great? time to emphasize Green economic > policies)... > >??????????????????? You? might then mention, Republicans AND > Democrats are in > >the back pockets of the big? wealthy corporations, while the average voter's > >policy preferences and needs,? are bypassed and ignored... > >So registering Green is another way to try and make the > politicians work? for > >us... > >???????????????????? i? might say, "What if a Million Californians > registered > >Green...?? Don't you? think there'd be a political shake-up, or at > least some > >movement, for the good? ?" > >???????????????????? Who? knows where Critical Mass is for Real Change !? > > > >B) - > >Voter says, But i want to be able to vote in the Democratic Primaries. > > > >Tabler says, There is no Primary for over a year, between now and > then,? over > >365 days, you can send a strong message for PEACE NOW (or whatever Green > >issue you want to emphasize, like EQUAL RIGHTS, especially if the > voter is? a > >woman, or from a minority community)... > >??????????????????? So? NOW we can vote, for __________ (insert Green > >Issue/Value), along with hundreds? of thousands of other voters, all > >across this > >country, millions all around the? world -- mention 18 Greens in the Swedish > >Parliament, 8 in New? Zealand, State Legislators in Arkansas, Maine, > >and previously > >in? California, plus Green Majorities in Sebastopol, and Arcata, and > >Mayors in > >Richmond, Fairfax, Moraga, Marina, etc etc, and almost in San Francisco, and > >so? on and so forth... > > > >The Tabler can say, "So you (to the voter) can use your registration as a > >voice NOW, and you can use it strategically again, *ANYTIME* you want"... > >???????????????????? "That? is, you can change your registration to > > Green NOW, > >then look at the candidates? before the next Primary, Feb 2010, and decide > >then how you want to vote in? that election"... > >???????????????????? Meanwhile? you're sending a message for something you > >want your GOVT to do NOW about? ___________________.?? (Insert Green Value, > >policy, issue, etc) > > > > > >???? Over the course of about 30 hours, from 1/4/9 to? 1/9/9, in Sacramento > >despite the cold, at McKinley Park and a little at the? nearby > >Safeway, also at > >the Long's across from BelAir Market on W. El Camino,? across the American > >river on the north, Natomas side of town, and also at the? Coop off > >Alhambra and > >S st and 29th, (Basically the pitch works at roughly the? same rate, > >50% - 70% > >Green, +/-, all over the state)... > >???? At those locations in Sac, i registered 27? voters...: > > > >Total 27 Registrations > > > >19 Green (70.4%) > >?? 5 Democrats (18.1%) > >?? 2 Libertarians ( 7.4%) > >?? 1 Republican (3.7%) > > > >(NOTE - i always try to go over the whole registration form with the voter, > >helping them skip the parts they need not fill out - it only takes a couple > >minutes i point out, explaining where they must put something, such > >as CDL, if > >they have one...? And then i can go over the choices section on the > >Registration Form WITH the voter --? i try to do this AFTER they've > >marked? how they > >are currently registered so i can get a clue to where they're > >coming? from... > >?????????????? Look? at a registration form now if you have one -- > > because the > >"previous? registration" section is below the "party choices" section on the > >form, i say, when we get to the choices section, i say let's skip > the choices > >now and come back to it at the end, and then i can explain what American > >Independent, and what Libertarian stands for, or what the Peace and Freedom > >Party's history is, and go on from there, emphasizing and often > >giving? examples, > >how IMO the Greens have the best choice of Values... > >????????????? -? AND i remind the voter that HERE they are NOT voting for a > >person, not this? time, but instead they are VOTING for a set of *VALUES*, > >values that they? agree with, values that they want to see > >implemented.? And i have > >little? difficulty demonstrating, giving examples, how the Democrats and the > >Republicans? consistently betray those values. > >?????????????? For instance, when the voter marks what they WERE, in the > >"Previous? Registration" section, you can ask, "Are you SATISFIED > >with the job the > >Democrats and the Repulicans are doing ?? A vast majority of the time the > >voter will say "No !"?? And then you essentially have an > >open? invitation to go > >over the other options, focusing where possible, on the? Greens.) > > > >(Note #2 - a certain percentage of the Greens you register will be > >interested in further contact with local GP members and so be sure > >to have? a "CONTACT > >SHEET" with space for Name, City, and Email, and/or phone, if desired. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Feb 10 20:48:38 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:48:38 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Sen. Patrick Leahy Proposes Truth and Reconciliation Commission Message-ID: Obama reportedly lukewarm, wants to look forward. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/judiciary-chairman-calls-for-commission-to-delve-into-bush-practices/ Michael Moore sez: "Justice Always Looks Back," and adds, looking forward, that Obama's Justice Department wants to continue to shelter Jeppesen from an ACLU lawsuit about its rendition practices on grounds that the whole program is a state secret. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/obama-administr.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JamBoi at Greens.org Tue Feb 10 22:29:07 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:29:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: [GPCA Official Notice] Finance Committee Openings] Message-ID: <49220.66.7.182.238.1234333747.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] Finance Committee Openings From: "County Contacts" Date: Mon, February 9, 2009 14:58 To: "County Contacts" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List. For more information, or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. Follow the contact directions stated in the email. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Greens: The Finance Committee has several openings. We have recently gotten a fundraising letter out and have six scheduled for the coming year. Two will include participating counties. The CC established an ad hoc letter writing committee and this aspect of the Finance Committee should be able to function well. Counties who desire to participate in prospective mailings need to get their county's voter list and attend a finance call to get details or otherwise express their interest to the committee. We need volunteers with interests and abilities to do other kinds of fundraising. If you have computer skills to manage lists, do graphics, event planning experience, and or pr/marketing skills, your talents are needed. If you can invent slogans and do art work, we need you. The Finance Committee asks that prospective members attend two calls before being considered for appointment. This important fundraising work is the base for all Green outreach. We are planning cable TV ads in selected markets and possibly billboards and other types of types of advertising. Be a part of growing the Green Party. For more information contact Bob Vizzard at thevizz at earthlink.net. Thanks. Paz, Larry Mullen CC Coco _______________________________________________ Contacts2006 mailing list Contacts2006 at lists.cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/contacts2006 From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Feb 11 15:39:29 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:39:29 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jon Turley Tells Why Leahy's Truth Commission isn't Enough Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFxlzPKLuvg Leahy cites the Frank Church Commission of the 1970s and the South African Truth & Reconciliation Commission as models. Olbermann notes that the latter body did not win sanctions against President Botha, and though the Church Commission shed light on abuses by intel agencies against the antiwar movement, it did not prevent Nixon functionaries Rumsfeld and Cheney from doing it all over again and committing the very abuses now under consideration. Turley calls the Truth Commissions proposal "shameful," not suitable for a government operating under rule of law. There's no question that torture, a war crime, was committed. Congress considers this an inconvenient time to fight on principle, and they are proposing a useless and toothless Commission to try to avoid our obligations under treaties we helped to write. It's not up to Obama or Leahy; we are obligated to investigate to comply with our promise to the world. Turley validates Olbermann's belief that addressing the crimes in a special Commission would endorse Bush's claims that his actions were outside the sphere of ordinary crimes to which regular rules apply. A Special Commission means Special Justice, and its failure to prosecute known war crimes will make the American people accessories. Our treaty says there are no excuses for ordering torture. If the Republicans want to embrace torture and the violation of treaties, let them. Do our legislators want to launch their new administration as principled statesmen or as political hacks? My comment: Congress is dragging its feet on torture investigations because Pelosi and Reid went along with it when they were briefed in 2002. Also, Gore convinced Clinton that rendition was acceptable policy(1), and by 1995 the Clinton team was flying kidnapped prisoners to Egypt for interrogation. (2) Michael Scheuer, who ran the extraordinary rendition program against al Qaeda for the CIA from 1995 to 1999, told a subcommittee of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs in 2007 that he warned Clinton that the countries they were flying these people to were human rights abusers (torturers). He said: "I have read and been told that Mr. Clinton, Mr. Berger and Mr. Clarke have said, since 9/11, that they insisted that each receiving country treat the rendered person it received according to U.S. legal standards. To the best of my memory, that is a lie." (3) Any honest investigation of torture will drag Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, and Gore into the light. (1) Clarke, Against All Enemies p. 143-4 Gore said "That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass." (2) Meyer, "Outsourcing Torture" in The New Yorker http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact6?currentPage=3 (3) House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights, and Oversight, Subcommittee on Europe, April 17, 2007, p. 12. http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/110/34712.pdf _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wrolley at charter.net Wed Feb 11 21:25:47 2009 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:25:47 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Miracles Do Happen. Message-ID: <4993B2DB.1030002@charter.net> Thanks to all who contacted their Congress Critters... nuclear pork is dead. Read the whole story at Climate Progress. Congressional negotiators in the House of Representatives and the Senate agreed tonight on a $789 billion stimulus bill but killed an attempt to squander $50 billion on new nuclear reactors. The agreement, made in conference committee, axed a proposal from Sen. Bennett (R-UT) to include $50 billion in pork barrel federal loan guarantees for the nuclear industry. The Congressional Budget Office stated earlier this year that the industry would likely default on more than half the loans, leaving taxpayers and ratepayers to foot the bill. -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 11 21:45:03 2009 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:45:03 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] upcoming events Message-ID: <4993B75F.70105@sbcglobal.net> This short list is from the San Jose Peace and Justice Center the event urls are apended after the list *Friday 13-Feb - Discovering Robeson - A Rare Performance Friday 13-Feb - Informational Session on Palestine* *Sunday 15-Feb - "Witness To History" * *Tuesday 17-Feb - Book Study: "A Right to Housing" * *Wednesday 18-Feb - The U.S.-Backed Israeli War on Gaza* *Thursday 19-Feb - Eyewitness Gaza with Donna and Darlene Wallach * *Friday 20-Feb - Como la Luna* *Saturday 21-Feb - Racial Justice Worksho*p Event URL: http://www.tayoalukoandfriends.com Event URL: http://www.mcabayarea.org/ Event URL: http://www.sjnoc.org Event URL: http://www.ahnhousing.info Event URL: http://www.ANSWERcoalition.org Event URL: http://www.southbaymobilization.org This event is sponsored by MAIZ Event URL: http://wilpfsanjose.org From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Feb 12 09:39:15 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:39:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Today - Sunday: Live coverage of American Citizen's Summit! Message-ID: <49479.65.89.85.151.1234460355.squirrel@greens.org> I'm blogging at this event. Here's some of the access points to follow the action. Kent Mesplay, Carol Brouillet, Brent McMillan, Paul Krumm, Steven Shafarman, and other Greens are participating... Cynthia McKinney will be here today as part of the Interim Transpartisan Sunshine Cabinet. Green is Go! Drew +++++++ American Citizens? Summit February 11-15th, Sheraton Denver Downtown Live Webcast We will be live webcasting the American Citizens? Summit from 7pm MST today until 12pm MST, Sunday, Feb. 15. To view the proceedings visit http://www.republicmedia.tv/live/acs.html. Tune in at 7pm MST tomorrow for the Transpartisan Cabinet Meeting. If you or leaders from your organization want to arrange interviews during the meeting breaks and meals -- see schedule -- please contact Sam Ettaro: skype: "ettarocom", yahoo im: "samettaro", email: ettaro at republicmedia.tv Transpartisan Twitter If you would like to participate in the twitter stream from the Summit, sign up for www.twitter.com and then go to http://twittgroups.com/group/transpartisan. Transpartisan Wiki Space If you would like to participate in the transpartisan wiki space for the Summit visit http://transpartisan.wikispaces.com/ Please pass this on to your friends who would like to participate virtually! The Transpartisan Team -- JamBoi http://www.greencommons.org/blog/63 "Peaceable: the ability to interact peacefully. A skill set similar to social or emotional intelligence that is unfortunately rare in today's American culture, but can be developed by all. The Green Parties need to lead the way in Peaceableness." From tnharter at aceweb.com Thu Feb 12 10:15:19 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:15:19 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] An Introduction to Virtual Worlds Message-ID: <49946737.9030509@aceweb.com> > > > *Corey Bridges > * > *An Introduction to Virtual Worlds* > > > Corey Bridges is co-founder, Executive Producer and Marketing Director > of the Multiverse Network, Inc., a company founded in 2004 by a team > of Netscape veterans, and aiming to become the world?s leading network > of Massively Multiplayer Online Games (MMOGs) and 3D virtual worlds. > Multiverse has pioneered a new technology platform designed to change > the economics of virtual world development by providing independent > game developers with the resources they need to enter and compete in > the $2 billion online game market. > > Corey was a member of the original launch team for Netflix, and a > pre-IPO employee at Netscape, where he worked as product manager for > the company's flagship Internet browser. > > Corey also has written and directed a number of short films, and > produced commercials and TV specials. An award-winning writer, he has > collaborated with well-known technology expert John Dvorak on multiple > books. He has spoken internationally about the future of virtual > worlds. > > Corey, who oversees business development and developer relations with > thousands of game development teams, ranging from garage developers to > Fortune 100 companies to Hollywood legends, will introduce the concept > of virtual worlds and describe Multiverse's unique technology > platform, which is expected to change the economics of virtual world > development by empowering independent game developers to create > high-quality, MMOGs and non-game virtual worlds for less money and in > less time than ever before. > Corey began his summary of the history back in the 1980s, when Multi- User Dungeons (MUDs) began appearing. They were text based approximations of the dungeons and dragons role playing games that many kids of the time were already familiar with. You moved by typing "go forward" or whatever. This would produce a few lines of text describing your new situation. Later they got more elaborate, adding graphics and more sophisticated user input.Ultima Online was the first massively multi player game where emergent user behaviors produced an interesting culture. That idea has since been run with by many other developers. World of Warcraft is now the 800 lb. gorilla of MMOGs. Their system consists of backbone servers that the company controls and console systems that users buy for $50ish or download (about 6 Gigabytes) and then play from their home computers, paying about $15/month for connect time. This works out to about $1 Billion per year, and makes them the #1 media company in the world. Typical users play for about six months before moving on to other things. Not only does the company make a lot of money off the system, but there is a healthy aftermarket for things like weapons and developed characters on eBay and craigslist that results in many millions of dollars changing hands every year. Lately products like Second Life have shown that MMD can be used for non-game applications. Multiverse has stepped into this relm by designing a system that makes it easy for developers to build up whatever kind of multi player universe they want. Many of the designers worked at Netscape on their famous browser, so the Multiverse system is built starting with many of the lessons learned from that experience. Like most such systems it boils down to client software on the user's computer and a server where everything is orchestrated. Corey explained that the company gives away its developer kit and client software. Then when a product gets good enough that it develops a revenue stream they take ten percent. Multiverse began developing their technology about four years ago now. At this point in time they have about 25,000 users in a variety of settings. He expects client applications to be developing revenue streams this year for the first time. During Q&A a number of interesting things came up: Multiverse gets its funding from angel investors. A lot of the development was done on the cheap, with a lot of the key people working out of their homes etc. Hopefully now it will start paying off. At this point the stock is informally worth about a buck a share. So far they have raised and spent about $4 million. A college in Florida designed a game where you could "level up" your character by demonstrating a detailed understanding of the laws of physics. There have been several religious groups that have used the system to do something. One group made a simulation of Jerusalem so that you can visit a historically accurate simulation of the place as it was at various times in history. A Christian group did something else a bit more tongue in cheek. If you want to play with their software to try it out please visit: http://battle.multiverse.net -- Tian http://tian.greens.org I'm now a card carrying member of Global Exchange. From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Feb 12 10:05:04 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:05:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: Strengthening the Roots Convergence THIS WEEKEND Message-ID: <49591.65.89.85.151.1234461904.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [sjsuenvclub-discuss] Strengthening the Roots Convergence THIS WEEKEND From: "Amie Frisch" Date: Tue, February 10, 2009 16:53 To: undisclosed-recipients:; -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Strengthening the Roots: Food, Justice and Fair Trade Convergence Feb 13th-15th 2009 Come spend the weekend in beautiful Santa Cruz, California for inspirational and insightful look at how youth can get involved and make this world a better place. This Valentine's Day weekend, United Students for Fair Trade (USFT) is yet again joining forces with the California Student Sustainability Coalition (CSSC) to create a super-convergence uniting the food systems and social justice worlds. The event will be hosted by the Community Agroecology Network (CAN) at UC Santa Cruz. This is YOUR opportunity to get involved in engaging dialogue, eye-opening workshops and practical activism trainings working towards a more sustainable and just world ...not to mention hang out with like-minded awesome activists from all over the West Coast! This convergence will provide a means to: ?Develop and strengthen inter-school connections and collaboration in order to deepen and expand the Sustainable Food & Fair Trade movement ?Increase the number of skilled, knowledgeable and confident youth leaders throughout the Western United States. ?Broaden the scope of the convergence to integrate Fair Trade & Sustainable Food-based Initiatives in an effort to foster new alliances and partnerships toward creating more just and sustainable communities and institutions. ?Form relationships, light fires, and have fun. To register go to http://www.usft.org/node/178. There is a sliding scale registration fee of $25-$35 to help cover the cost of the convergence. Financial aid is available for registration and travel costs. Contact us at westcoastconvergence at gmail.com or usftwestcoast at gmail.com with any questions. Hope to see you there! -- Alex Cole-Weiss West Coast Coordinator, United Students for Fair Trade 828.231.6768 From alexcathy at aol.com Thu Feb 12 10:31:01 2009 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:31:01 -0500 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] An Introduction to Virtual Worlds In-Reply-To: <49946737.9030509@aceweb.com> References: <49946737.9030509@aceweb.com> Message-ID: <8CB5B5730C77089-1568-B8D@webmail-db16.sysops.aol.com> Dear Tian, Some people will say this is totally geeky and also totally off-topic.? That's true.? Guilty on both counts. Nevertheless, I do find it interesting and I may check it out. Alex Walker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "County Contacts" Date: Thu, February 12, 2009 17:12 To: "County Contacts" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List. For more information, or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. Follow the contact directions stated in the email. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Fellow Greens: The Editorial Board is working on the first 2009 issue of GREEN FOCUS -- the Green Party of California's newspaper, which now has a circulation of 10,000. We expect to have copies available by May 1, 2009. To make the best issue yet, we need your help. *** PRODUCTION HELP WANTED *** *** Please Respond by March 1, 2009 *** If you have newspaper or magazine experience (e.g., layout, distribution, or collections and billing), please e-mail us at gfsubs at cagreens.org . *** EDITORIAL HELP WANTED*** *** Please Submit by March 15, 2009 *** WRITERS -- We need lots of articles! What's going on in your local -- what accomplishments would you like to brag about, what challenges do you face? Got a candidate running for office? Is there an urgent issue you want to share with your fellow Greens? Do you want to tell the world why you are Green? Please send articles -- up to 750 words -- in SIMPLE TEXT, NO FORMATTING to gfsubs at cagreens.org . PHOTOGRAPHERS -- It's just not a newspaper without pictures! Please send images of your fellow Greens, events and issues. TIFF or EPS format is preferred. CMYK color and resolution of at least 300 dpi are -musts-. Please e-mail us if you have any questions. Send your images to gfsubs at cagreens.org . Green Focus reserves the right to edit content and to accept or reject articles and pictures. We will try to fit all accepted articles into the current issue, but space considerations may force us to hold some articles for future issues. ...Your Green Focus Editorial Board ... _______________________________________________ Contacts2006 mailing list Contacts2006 at lists.cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/contacts2006 From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Feb 13 06:36:52 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:36:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] San Diego Silences JROTC Guns: Education Not Arms Coalition Message-ID: <49202.66.7.182.238.1234535812.squirrel@greens.org> http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/39774 San Diego Silences JROTC Guns February 10, 2009 (see photos below) - San Diego Unified, located in the middle of one of the largest military complexes in the world, took the uncharacteristic step of banning rifle training conducted under the military's high school JROTC program. Eleven schools with rifle ranges were affected in the nation's eighth largest urban district. Before the board meeting began, speakers representing local high schools and colleges addressed an outside crowd of 200 students, parents, teachers and community supporters. Some high schools sent so many students that two charter buses, courtesy of the AFSC, were used for transportation. Anticipating a long evening before the school board would discuss the rifle training issue, the Association of Raza Educators provided tamales to help sustain the crowd. It wasn't until four hours into the board meeting, at 9:00 PM, that the agenda item came up for discussion. The vote was preceded by testimony from about 15 pro- and con- speakers in front of a crowd that was largely in favor of terminating the weapons training program. One school board member said that in all of his many years on the board, this was the most impressive student effort he had ever seen. Even two board members who opposed the resolution expressed their admiration for the students' involvement. When the decision was made, the resolution, which immediately banned all marksmanship training in the district, passed by a vote of 3-2. The crowd then spilled out of the auditorium to hold a loud and joyous celebration. This achievement was made possible by a collaboration of students and various community groups who first came together in 2007 as the Education Not Arms Coalition. One of their main concerns was the way schools were tracking students into military training (via JROTC) while denying them adequate class alternatives, especially ones needed to qualify for college. Students from African American and Latino families were being disproportionately affected. To address the problem, the coalition adopted three initial goals--convince the school district to: 1. stop placing students into military science (JROTC) classes without their informed consent. 2. stop telling parents and students that the class will help them qualify for college, when it won't. 3. ban weapons training and JROTC gun ranges in San Diego schools. All three goals have now been achieved, the first two by a superintendent's directive, the third by school board action. Throughout the over one-year long campaign, high school students have played a central role in educating and mobilizing their peers, with support from a variety of community and college groups. Audio of the entire Feb. 10 hearing and school board decision is posted here ( http://www.sandi.net/indices/board.htm ) on the SD Unified site. Video should be added soon. Click here for a video news report. ( http://www.10news.com/video/18687674/index.html ) For more information: www.projectyano.org/educationnotarms/ Contact: Education Not Arms Coalition, educationnotarms at gmail.com From tnharter at aceweb.com Fri Feb 13 22:58:59 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:58:59 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] More green gossip from the Palo Alto Daily Post! Message-ID: <49966BB3.20001@aceweb.com> http://tian.greens.org/PaloAlto/DailyPost/BoycottKellogg.shtml I'd like to urge you to help spread the word on this one... -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Proof that Obama is the 2nd President with 237 at 237's end. From JamBoi at Greens.org Sat Feb 14 06:18:16 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:18:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: [GPCA Official Notice] GPCA General Assembly Announcement Message-ID: <49464.66.7.182.238.1234621096.squirrel@greens.org> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] GPCA General Assembly Announcement From: "County Contacts" Date: Fri, February 13, 2009 17:57 To: "County Contacts" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List. For more information, or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. Follow the contact directions stated in the email. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Greens, The next General Assembly (GA) of the GPCA will be May 16 & 17 in Venice, L.A. More details will be posted at http://cagreens.org/plenary/ and circulated on this list as they become available. This GA will include: + The annual operating budget proposal. + Confirmation of the party officer nominees (Treasurer and State Liaison) + Election for two Coordinating Committee at-large seats. --------------------------------------------------------------- PARTY OFFICERS The following message was circulated on Jan. 28: Notice to all Greens: The party officers' terms are up effective with the next plenary [April or May]. The incumbents, Jane Rands, Secretary of State Liaison, and Jeanne Rosenmeier, Treasurer, are each willing to serve another term. Anyone else interested in being nominated by the CC to these jobs needs to submit a resume to the CC (gpca-cc at cagreens.org) by Friday, February 20, 2009. Thank you. Paz, Larry Mullen, Coordinating Committee ------------------------------------------------------------------ CC AT-LARGE SEATS The Coordinating Committee (CC) is accepting applications for the at-large seats on the CC. There are four at-large seats and the term of office is two years. We normally elect two seats each year. Candidates must submit an application to the CC that includes a biography and what they hope to accomplish. The application form can be downloaded at http://www.cagreens.org/cc/co-cos/application_cc_at_large.rtf. Bios will be posted on the web. The web address will be in the plenary packet. The deadline for submission is March 1, 2009. Serving on the CC requires a minimum of ten hours of long-distance teleconferencing and email work per month. Members are expected to serve on committees and working groups as active members or CC liaisons. It is recommended that one have an adequate email connection and telephone service. The CC recommends that women, young people and people of color apply to achieve gender, age and ethnic balance for diversity. The job description for at-large rep is in the bylaws and copied below. The election process is in the bylaws and may be found copied below the job description. ------------------------------------------------------------------ At-Large Representative Green Party of California Coordinating Committee Job Description The duties of the Green Party Of California - Coordinating Committee GPCA-CC) At-Large Representatives include: All activities to do with maintaining a pro-active role as a voting member of the GPCA-CC, not limited to and including GPCA bylaws Art.7 Sec.1.3. Specific duties: 1. At-large GPCA-CC positions supplement the tasks of the CC beyond those required of regional representatives. Those tasks of brief, intense or sustained work periods, such as: agenda committee, database updates, maintenance of rosters, ad-hoc committees, etc. At-large rep. should be prepared to assist CC/SC/WG co-coordinators as needed. 2. At-large CC positions supplement regional rep. positions as needed. To assist, or take a leading role of a regional representative as absences, emergencies, and work-loads dictate. 3. Provide pro-active guidance and assistance to ad-hoc committees, SCs and WGs and locals whose organization is in need of support, restructuring oris malfunctioning. 4. Attend all GPCA-CC meetings, teleconferences, voting sessions, and GPCA General Assemblies. Inform co-coordinators of impending absences or scheduling changes in a timely manner, so that any necessary adjustments may be made promptly 5. Be attentive to, and participate if necessary, in the GPCA-CC listserve at a minimum of twice a week. Those participating without online capabilities will require additional communication effort (shared computer, library computer, telephone). 6. Inform the GPAC-CC co-coordinators when communication is interrupted, e.g. computer failure, vacation, resignation, so that any necessary adjustments may be made promptly. 7. Maintain a working knowledge of the GPCA bylaws and platform, and perform Coordinating Committee duties accordingly. 8. Encourage personal responsibility, and cultivate truly interested greens, by actively recruiting and training GP members who indicate interest in future GPCA-CC regional rep or at-large rep, standing committee or working group positions. -------------------------------------------------------------- ELECTION PROCESS (from bylaws) 7-1.8 Choice Voting Each delegate shall be provided a written secret ballot containing the names of the candidates in random order. The ballot shall also include a "No Other Candidate" (NOC) option. The delegates shall vote by ranking the candidates along with the NOC option in order of preference. The ballots shall be tabulated utilizing a Choice Voting system with fractional transfers and a Droop threshold, 1/(n+1) (1/3 threshold with two open seats). No candidate shall be seated who does not cross the threshold before NOC. Choice Voting is the Single Transferable Vote (STV) form of proportional representation described in the International IDEA Handbook of Electoral System Design. (Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance (IDEA). First published 1997. Second edition. Stockholm, Sweden). 7-1.10 Single Candidate Election: Approval Voting When only one candidate seeks office, an Approval Voting election shall be held. Each delegate shall be provided a written secret ballot containing the name of the candidate seeking office. The ballot shall allow the opportunity to indicate a "yes" or "no" preference on the seating of the candidate. The candidate must receive "yes" votes on at least two-thirds (2/3) of ballots cast to be seated. _______________________________________________ Contacts2006 mailing list Contacts2006 at lists.cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/contacts2006 From pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com Sat Feb 14 18:21:53 2009 From: pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com (Paul & Mary Engstrom) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:21:53 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting In-Reply-To: <498A4682.7050405@freeshell.org> References: <767C425C-F0F2-4F60-ABFC-E10F76B51F7C@gmail.com> <54019.24.6.229.93.1233689470.squirrel@www.greens.org> <055B1F31-696C-4839-A2BB-78A7D1F82BFA@macreviewzone.com> <54586.24.6.229.93.1233727413.squirrel@www.greens.org> <498A4682.7050405@freeshell.org> Message-ID: <3906D79C-C2A1-4989-8868-5E03E6A46640@macreviewzone.com> Thank you Fred for info on Ledesma and Greens. If Green members are against recruiting minors here is item needs attention sharing and publicity. I received a notice of an event in San Jose which is informational and fund raiser for support of Anti-Recruiting legislation of cities Arcata and Eureka,Calif which US Dept of Defense is trying to kill This event in San Jose should be publicized by local Green Party if it against military recruting of high school kids The event:--:" Support for Arcata and Eureka Anti-Recruiting Ordinances ". Saturday March 7, 2009 4 PM First Christian Church 80 South Fifth St , San Jose, Calif Further info:-- www.stoprecruitingkids.org With faith in a future of democracy and peace for all Paul ( with no recruiting of minors ) On Feb 4, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Fred Duperrault wrote: > Dear Paul and other GRSCC Readers, > > Please don't interpret what Drew has expressed re David Ledesma as the > truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. > > I'm sorry to have to enter this public discussion regarding > personalities and misinterpreted reports on what happened in certain > meetings, but I feel I must do so in the best interests of more than > one > group in which Drew and I have been members, and in defense of David > Ledesma. > > First of all, Drew's accusation of David Ladesma trying to "attack" > him > was inaccurate and unfair. Secondly, inferring that David "as an > outside disrupter who has ill intent toward the Green Party" was > uncalled for, not true. And, after hearing a critical word, but not > damning, about David during a VFP meeting, Drew, at the very > beginning > of the SRK planning meeting, confronted David as if he were a > prosecuting attorney accusing David of being an obstinate, > incompatible > person. > > Please don't accept Drew's wrong headed account of David Ledesma, his > character and motives. > > Regretting having to intervene, > > Fred Duperrault > > > > > Drew > > Thank you for your clarification re; Ledesma's relationship with Green > Party > > I heard him at a meeting of a peace group I belong to, where he > described his attitude against military recruitment and I felt he was > quite dedicated and seemed to do his actions on an individual basis I > have been a registered Green Party voter for a number of years and > before that with other progressive small parties, regretfully none > have become major parties. I thought Ledesma's ideas compatiblewith > the Greens, but am sorry he had difficulty cooperating with local > Greens. > > > I admire youriniative and energy in developing an Anti-Recruitment > Coalition and wish you well .People like you are sorely needed. > > Have you considered working with Clean Money organization? They work > toward public financing of elections and this could benefit the Green > Party and other less than affluent parties. > > Thank you your time and detailed explanation re Ledesma and the Greens > > With continued hope for democracy and peace for all Paul > > 0 > On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Drew Johnson wrote: > >> Paul, I have no idea who you are and what if any relationship you >> have to >> the Green Party. >> >> ...but the facts are that when Jim Doyle, Fred Duperrault and I went >> to >> the Veterans for Peace Chapter 101 meeting the general response was >> they >> would NOT go forward with any coalition that involved David Ledesma >> because their experience was that he had to have everything done his >> way >> and had to have 100% control of it. I was very shocked that THEY >> had such >> a negative reaction. >> >> But then a series of actions on David's part totally seemed to fit >> the >> behavioral pattern the VfP folks had described. when I tried to ask >> David >> about whatever had lead to them having that reaction he wouldn't >> respond >> to it and started attacking me! Ah, that's good -- the guy who just >> walked off the street (David) is trying to tell party officials how >> to run >> their business! >> >> Then he said he didn't want to be part of a Green Party committee or >> coalition anymore. I can live with that. We have to safeguard our >> party >> from outside disruptors, and those who have ill intent towards the >> party >> or simply don't understand and fit in with our 10 Key Values. >> Heck, I >> don't even know if David is a member of the party!!! >> >> Someone like David could very well have some great input, but it >> behooves >> them to 1) at least hang out with the group for awhile (I did for >> one year >> before volunteering for anything), 2) join the party and fullfill the >> requisite 'dues-paying' before launching a campaign to remake the >> party in >> their image. >> >> And by the way Paul, the coalition is happening in large part >> because I'm >> building it. Coalition -- its what Greens do. >> >> >> Green is Coalition! >> >> Drew >> >> >> On Tue, February 3, 2009 13:34, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote: >>> >>> >>> IMy reaction to Drew's negatism in reaction against Ledesma reminds >>> me >>> of the petty competiveness so frequent in the Left and progressive >>> groups >>> >>> Go ahead with promoting a coalition against recruiting without the >>> spitefulness which reflects badly on the Green Party >>> >>> For democracy and peace foe all Paul >>> >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it >>>> interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months >>>> now to >>>> make it a regular feature of the meeting to >>>> >>>> 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by >>>> one or >>>> more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this >>>> month >>>> I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after >>>> approval of >>>> last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow >>>> along >>>> with >>>> the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the >>>> other >>>> Recurring Business >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee, >>>> working group, etc. If people get into the habit of arriving at >>>> 6:30 as >>>> we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be >>>> before the >>>> 7:30 main meeting time. >>>> >>>> 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list >>>> that >>>> David >>>> Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition >>>> meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be >>>> considered a >>>> Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was >>>> originally >>>> planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party >>>> committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting >>>> tactics. >>>> So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his >>>> non-Green Party, non-coalition event. He seems to have the details >>>> of his >>>> event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully >>>> but it >>>> doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non- >>>> Green >>>> Party, noncoalitional event. >>>> >>>> 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the >>>> (renamed >>>> from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We >>>> already have >>>> an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with >>>> members of >>>> Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101. The coalition will be moving >>>> forward >>>> with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War >>>> and >>>> and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and >>>> in not >>>> recruiting children fraudulently. >>>> >>>> >>>> Green is Go! >>>> >>>> Drew >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote: >>>>> Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's >>>>> meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have >>>>> anything >>>>> you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as >>>>> soon >>>>> as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest >>>>> changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda. >>>>> >>>>> Green Party of Santa Clara County >>>>> Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009 >>>>> >>>>> Beginning Business >>>>> Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min >>>>> Introductions - 5 min >>>>> Finalize agenda - 5 min >>>>> Recurring Business >>>>> Treasurer?s report - 5 min >>>>> Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min >>>>> CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min >>>>> 2010 Candidates, including Wes?s suggestion for Water Board >>>>> (Peter) - >>>>> 10 min >>>>> Accountability (Brian) - 5 min >>>>> Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min >>>>> >>>>> New Business >>>>> Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min >>>>> Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min >>>>> Upcoming tabling events - 10 min >>>>> Roy Nordblum - 10 min >>>>> Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min >>>>> Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min >>>>> Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min >>>>> Palo Alto and Sunnyvale?s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10 >>>>> min_______________________________________________ >>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From JamBoi at Greens.org Sat Feb 14 19:38:04 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for 2/4/09 meeting In-Reply-To: <3906D79C-C2A1-4989-8868-5E03E6A46640@macreviewzone.com> References: <767C425C-F0F2-4F60-ABFC-E10F76B51F7C@gmail.com> <54019.24.6.229.93.1233689470.squirrel@www.greens.org> <055B1F31-696C-4839-A2BB-78A7D1F82BFA@macreviewzone.com> <54586.24.6.229.93.1233727413.squirrel@www.greens.org> <498A4682.7050405@freeshell.org> <3906D79C-C2A1-4989-8868-5E03E6A46640@macreviewzone.com> Message-ID: <1266.65.89.85.151.1234669084.squirrel@greens.org> Yes, as I've said numerous times now I'm sure it will be a great event. And I hope David will allow the Green Party to table at his event. Green is Coalition! Drew On Sat, February 14, 2009 18:21, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote: > Thank you Fred for info on Ledesma and Greens. If Green members are > against recruiting minors here is item needs attention sharing and > publicity. > > I received a notice of an event in San Jose which is informational > and fund raiser for support of Anti-Recruiting legislation of cities > Arcata and Eureka,Calif which US Dept of Defense is trying to kill > > This event in San Jose should be publicized by local Green Party if it > against military recruting of high school kids > > The event:--:" Support for Arcata and Eureka Anti-Recruiting > Ordinances ". > > Saturday March 7, 2009 4 PM > > First Christian Church > > 80 South Fifth St , San Jose, Calif > > Further info:-- www.stoprecruitingkids.org > > With faith in a future of democracy and peace for all Paul > ( with no recruiting of minors ) > > On Feb 4, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Fred Duperrault wrote: > >> Dear Paul and other GRSCC Readers, >> >> Please don't interpret what Drew has expressed re David Ledesma as the >> truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> >> I'm sorry to have to enter this public discussion regarding >> personalities and misinterpreted reports on what happened in certain >> meetings, but I feel I must do so in the best interests of more than >> one >> group in which Drew and I have been members, and in defense of David >> Ledesma. >> >> First of all, Drew's accusation of David Ladesma trying to "attack" >> him >> was inaccurate and unfair. Secondly, inferring that David "as an >> outside disrupter who has ill intent toward the Green Party" was >> uncalled for, not true. And, after hearing a critical word, but not >> damning, about David during a VFP meeting, Drew, at the very >> beginning >> of the SRK planning meeting, confronted David as if he were a >> prosecuting attorney accusing David of being an obstinate, >> incompatible >> person. >> >> Please don't accept Drew's wrong headed account of David Ledesma, his >> character and motives. >> >> Regretting having to intervene, >> >> Fred Duperrault >> >> >> >> >> Drew >> >> Thank you for your clarification re; Ledesma's relationship with Green >> Party >> >> I heard him at a meeting of a peace group I belong to, where he >> described his attitude against military recruitment and I felt he was >> quite dedicated and seemed to do his actions on an individual basis I >> have been a registered Green Party voter for a number of years and >> before that with other progressive small parties, regretfully none >> have become major parties. I thought Ledesma's ideas compatiblewith >> the Greens, but am sorry he had difficulty cooperating with local >> Greens. >> >> >> I admire youriniative and energy in developing an Anti-Recruitment >> Coalition and wish you well .People like you are sorely needed. >> >> Have you considered working with Clean Money organization? They work >> toward public financing of elections and this could benefit the Green >> Party and other less than affluent parties. >> >> Thank you your time and detailed explanation re Ledesma and the Greens >> >> With continued hope for democracy and peace for all Paul >> >> 0 >> On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Drew Johnson wrote: >> >>> Paul, I have no idea who you are and what if any relationship you >>> have to >>> the Green Party. >>> >>> ...but the facts are that when Jim Doyle, Fred Duperrault and I went >>> to >>> the Veterans for Peace Chapter 101 meeting the general response was >>> they >>> would NOT go forward with any coalition that involved David Ledesma >>> because their experience was that he had to have everything done his >>> way >>> and had to have 100% control of it. I was very shocked that THEY >>> had such >>> a negative reaction. >>> >>> But then a series of actions on David's part totally seemed to fit >>> the >>> behavioral pattern the VfP folks had described. when I tried to ask >>> David >>> about whatever had lead to them having that reaction he wouldn't >>> respond >>> to it and started attacking me! Ah, that's good -- the guy who just >>> walked off the street (David) is trying to tell party officials how >>> to run >>> their business! >>> >>> Then he said he didn't want to be part of a Green Party committee or >>> coalition anymore. I can live with that. We have to safeguard our >>> party >>> from outside disruptors, and those who have ill intent towards the >>> party >>> or simply don't understand and fit in with our 10 Key Values. >>> Heck, I >>> don't even know if David is a member of the party!!! >>> >>> Someone like David could very well have some great input, but it >>> behooves >>> them to 1) at least hang out with the group for awhile (I did for >>> one year >>> before volunteering for anything), 2) join the party and fullfill the >>> requisite 'dues-paying' before launching a campaign to remake the >>> party in >>> their image. >>> >>> And by the way Paul, the coalition is happening in large part >>> because I'm >>> building it. Coalition -- its what Greens do. >>> >>> >>> Green is Coalition! >>> >>> Drew >>> >>> >>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 13:34, Paul & Mary Engstrom wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> IMy reaction to Drew's negatism in reaction against Ledesma reminds >>>> me >>>> of the petty competiveness so frequent in the Left and progressive >>>> groups >>>> >>>> Go ahead with promoting a coalition against recruiting without the >>>> spitefulness which reflects badly on the Green Party >>>> >>>> For democracy and peace foe all Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:31 AM, Drew Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>>> As part of our ongoing reform of the General Meeting to make it >>>>> interesting, fun and worth going to I've been lobbying for months >>>>> now to >>>>> make it a regular feature of the meeting to >>>>> >>>>> 1) have an 20 minutes set aside for inspiring talk/presentation by >>>>> one or >>>>> more folks (could be a panel) near the front of the meeting -- this >>>>> month >>>>> I nominate Roy for the slot and request we put it in after >>>>> approval of >>>>> last month's notes (which I'll post sometime today or tomorrow >>>>> along >>>>> with >>>>> the previous month's) and the Treasurer's Report and before the >>>>> other >>>>> Recurring Business >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> 2) have specific time set aside for breakout meetings of committee, >>>>> working group, etc. If people get into the habit of arriving at >>>>> 6:30 as >>>>> we advertise this time for breakout meetings time could even be >>>>> before the >>>>> 7:30 main meeting time. >>>>> >>>>> 3) Note also that as I previously announced on this e-mail list >>>>> that >>>>> David >>>>> Ledesma specifically declared at the last SRK Santa Clara Coalition >>>>> meeting that his March 7th event was no longer going to be >>>>> considered a >>>>> Green Party event (let alone a GP fundraising event as was >>>>> originally >>>>> planned) and that he no longer wanted to be a part of a Green Party >>>>> committee or coalition addressing fraudulent military recruiting >>>>> tactics. >>>>> So I would question giving David time on the agenda at all for his >>>>> non-Green Party, non-coalition event. He seems to have the details >>>>> of his >>>>> event well in hand and I'm sure it will come off very successfully >>>>> but it >>>>> doesn't seem that he needs General Meeting time to address his non- >>>>> Green >>>>> Party, noncoalitional event. >>>>> >>>>> 4) I will ask for 10 minutes to report on the formation of the >>>>> (renamed >>>>> from SRK-SC to) Santa Clara Truth in Recruiting Coalition. We >>>>> already have >>>>> an e-mail list going and we've already started discussion with >>>>> members of >>>>> Veterans for Peace, Chapter 101. The coalition will be moving >>>>> forward >>>>> with an alliance with Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against War >>>>> and >>>>> and others similarly concerned about truthfulness in recruiting and >>>>> in not >>>>> recruiting children fraudulently. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Green is Go! >>>>> >>>>> Drew >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, February 3, 2009 10:24, Peter Myers wrote: >>>>>> Based on what I've heard so far, here is the agenda for tomorrow's >>>>>> meeting. Please look over it before the meeting. If you have >>>>>> anything >>>>>> you'd like to add or change, please e-mail me those thoughts as >>>>>> soon >>>>>> as possible. Please don't wait until tomorrow evening to suggest >>>>>> changes, because it will take longer to finalize the agenda. >>>>>> >>>>>> Green Party of Santa Clara County >>>>>> Meeting Agenda, February 4, 2009 >>>>>> >>>>>> Beginning Business >>>>>> Choose facilitator, time-keeper, note-taker, vibes-watcher - 5 min >>>>>> Introductions - 5 min >>>>>> Finalize agenda - 5 min >>>>>> Recurring Business >>>>>> Treasurer?s report - 5 min >>>>>> Stop Recruiting Our Kids (David) - 10 min >>>>>> CiviCRM (Cameron) - 5 min >>>>>> 2010 Candidates, including Wes?s suggestion for Water Board >>>>>> (Peter) - >>>>>> 10 min >>>>>> Accountability (Brian) - 5 min >>>>>> Tabling kits (Caroline) - 5 min >>>>>> >>>>>> New Business >>>>>> Oscar Grant (Drew) - 5 min >>>>>> Oscar Grant (Carol) - 5 min >>>>>> Upcoming tabling events - 10 min >>>>>> Roy Nordblum - 10 min >>>>>> Whistleblower support (Brian) - 10 min >>>>>> Long-term project ideas (Jim) - 10 min >>>>>> Earth Day event (possibly in south of county?) - 10 min >>>>>> Palo Alto and Sunnyvale?s greening projects (Dana and Drew) - 10 >>>>>> min_______________________________________________ >>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From wrolley at charter.net Sun Feb 15 09:40:33 2009 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:40:33 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Santa Clara Valley Water District Message-ID: <49985391.6040908@charter.net> I have come to the conclusion that the entire Board of Directors of the Santa Clara Valley Water District needs to be replaced and the sooner this happens, the better off we will be. This may be rather difficult as the decision to implement term limits on Directors has to be made by the directors themselves, an unlikely occurrence. Initially, my criticism's of the water district dealt with the fact that they had not yet begun to address the realities of climate change and sea level rise. I knew that there were others who were concerned with the financial mismanagement at the district, but I was not fully aware of just how much this will cost us. I have started a conversation with those South County residents charging fiscal irresponsibility. This will continue and we will seek to find people to run for the Board at every opportunity and will provide backing to such efforts. Some of the problems can be highlighted as follows: Santa Clara Valley Water District serves 1.7 million residents with 825 employees Orange County Water District serves 2.3 million residents with less than half the number of employees. At the same time, the Water District salary profile is well above that for comparable organizations in Coastal California. Santa Clara Valley Water District budget for Fiscal Year 2009 gives a lengthy discussion of financial debt obligations where the largest sums fall under the heading of Certificates of Participation. This is really the costs to the water district for their share of the construction of the State Water Project and the Central Valley Project. I am told that at least one of these has never been paid since the obligation was first incurred in 1987, accumulating increased interest while the water district has been in constant "negotiation" on the rate. The net result seems to be about $100 million that we could have avoided paying and which must now be paid at the worst possible time for the economy. Water rates will go up again this year and it will be conveniently blamed on the drought and the need to cover fixed costs with a dwindling revenue base... less water used means less revenue to the Water District. I am looking for other Greens who have the interest and the time to carry on this fight for a Water District that is capable of applying sound financial policies to the problem of a sustainable future. We are developing a support system for those interested in this most important issue. The National Green Party EcoAction Committee will become a hub for sharing such information. The first part of this is a brochure that is suitable for tabling and which can be downloaded in pdf format from the EcoAction Committee pages. http://www.gp.org/committees/ecoaction/documents/EcoAction_Water_Brochure.pdf At the same time, we are working on an information / skill sharing effort in California. It will most likely be run under the Green Issues Working Group, but that is not yet clear. Whatever the structure, it will have full participation from Martin Zehr. Martin is new to the Bay Area but brings over a decade of experience working on various citizen group, regional task forces, etc. as an advocate for public participation drafting new water laws and regulations in New Mexico. Contact me off list at wrolley at charter.net if you are willing to work on putting financial responsibility and sustainable planning back into the practices of our local water delivery systems. It is all there in the rhetoric but not the reality. Wes -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 16:56:17 2009 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:56:17 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] tabling events Message-ID: <499B5CB1.1030407@sbcglobal.net> We have an invitation to table at San Jose State University on Wednesday April 22-nd - Earth Day - from 9 am until 3 pm. They will provide a table and two chairs. We have received the application for a (free) booth at the Berryessa Arts and Wine Festival on Saturday May 9-th from 9am to 5 pm. We must bring our own table, chairs, and canopy. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 17:04:29 2009 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:04:29 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Gaza eyewitnesses Message-ID: <499B5E9D.1010606@sbcglobal.net> With social justice activists, Donna and Darlene Wallach Thursday, Feb. 19th, 7:00 pm Room A-61, A-Quad De Anza College 21250 Stevens Creek Blvd Cupertino, CA Donna and Darlene Wallach, Bay Area social justice activists, have just returned from Palestine, after living in the Gaza Strip from August to December, 2008. They witnessed first hand the brutality of the Israeli Occupation and blockade of Gaza and experienced the impact of Israel's collective punishment of Gaza, living alongside ordinary Palestinians. Come listen to Donna and Darlene speak about the spirit, resilience, kindness, generosity, and sense of humor of the Palestinian people and the peaceful ways they survive the extreme hardships of the Israeli blockade and violence. In August, 2008, both Donna and Darlene joined with other human rights workers to break Israel's blockade of Gaza. They sailed to Gaza on the SS Liberty and the SS Free Gaza to become the first people to freely enter Palestine in 41 years! For more information on the Free Gaza Movement, visit FreeGaza.org. Don't miss this historic report back! From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 01:23:01 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:23:01 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW: Amnesty: reestablishing US moral authority In-Reply-To: <9c25e1530902142037k7580c69uebb4d6a5e5d6ca5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c25e1530902142037k7580c69uebb4d6a5e5d6ca5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sent to local activists' group Three days after President Obama took office, he conducted air strikes against a country that was no threat to us, and killed 16 civilians doing it. (1) I'm not a lawyer, but I think that constitutes a violation of the Nuremburg Principles' prohibition of aggressive war, and I fear it represents an announcement that President Obama will be no more bound by treaties or international law than Bush was. Recently in the Mohammed et al. v. Jeppesen lawsuit the Obama Justice Department reaffirmed the Bush doctrine that state secrets necessitated gags on torture policies. Wikipedia tells us that Amnesty International was one of the first groups to protest at Jeppesen's San Jose office back in 2006. (2) Anthony Romero of the ACLU said Obama was continuing Bush's "reprehensible history of torture, rendition and the most grievous human rights violations committed by the American government. This is not change." (3) 1. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/24/pakistan-barack-obama-air-strike 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppesen 3. http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/38695prs20090209.html Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:37:03 -0800 From: emmakay at stanford.edu To: amnesty at lists.stanford.edu; activists at lists.stanford.edu; iraq_coalition at lists.stanford.edu Subject: Amnesty: reestablishing US moral authority ten steps- we're getting closer with obama. http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/02/21/ten-steps-restore-united-states-moral-authority -- Political Science 2009 emmakay at stanford.edu 406.360.0771 Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Feb 18 12:34:50 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:34:50 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Justice Dept. Report May Whack John "Torture Memo" Yoo Message-ID: Michael Isikoff writes in Newsweek that the DOJ Office of Professional Responsibility has been investigating whether the legal advice authorizing torture met DOJ professional standards. Their draft report criticizing John Yoo, Jay Bybee, and Steven Bradbury angered then-Attorney General Mukasey when it was submitted to him late last year. It is currently being revised to include comments from the three subjects before it is submitted to the new AG, Eric Holder. http://www.newsweek.com/id/184801 Isikoff told Rachel Maddow on Monday that last year the report found that "the entire legal edifice of Bush counter-terrorism policy was based not just on shoddy legal analysis but unprofessional and potentially unethical legal analysis" and it recommended that the issue be referred to state bar associations for possible disciplinary action. Isikoff doubts that the repudiation of Yoo's memos would change the legal environment for the CIA guys who did the torturing and who thought what they did was legal. (Jonathan Turley said a few weeks ago that the underlings have an "estoppel defense" but Bush and his immediate underlings do not.) Isikoff says the DOJ investigators had emails and drafts recording the creative process of Yoo's memos and the report goes into the question of the degree to which Bush administration officials dictated Yoo's legal opinions--possibly telling him what they wanted instead of asking him for an opinion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6JArB2p7lo John Yoo has taken a year's leave from Berkeley to teach at Chapman University in Orange County. An article in the LA Times credits World Can't Wait and Curt Wechler's outfit FireJohnYoo.org Way to Go, Curt! http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-yoo11-2009feb11,0,7413410.story I first became aware of Michael Isikoff when he wrote an unfair attack on "Fahrenheit 911". Later he was a co-author of a very impressionistic Newsweek article after Cheney's hunting accident that says that an early draft of the 9/11 Commission report made AG Gonzales "extremely agitated" when it expressed skepticism about Cheney's 9/11 story. Newsweek's account casts doubt on Cheney's claim that he got the required authority from Bush before he ordered flight 93 shot down and, for those familiar with the facts of Flight 93, can be viewed as a hint that maybe he did shoot it down. The final 9/11 Commission report was "toned down" and it says Cheney did not reach the White House bunker until 9:58, too late to have ordered a successful shootdown of Flight 93. But Newsweek says he got there at 9:35. http://www.newsweek.com/id/56896/page/6 (Norm Mineta insists he saw Cheney in the bunker at 9:20 discussing an apparent shootdown orderon flight 77, but neither Newsweek or the 9/11 Commission mention that.) _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's on the NE corner of the Administration Building S. of the Campus Center building. Come and see Darlene and Donna Wallach talk about their courageous work in support of the rights of people of Gaza. Seeing them get a standing ovation will be worth a hundred mile drive on its own! _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 19 17:05:02 2009 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:05:02 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] environmental calendar Message-ID: <499E01BE.4090603@sbcglobal.net> This email message came to me via the Green Party website. Hi I and many other use Peninsula Peace and Justice Center"s " Calender of Events" which is used by like-minded organizations for publicity of their events. Would not this be useful for environmental and other"llikeminded" groups in Santa Clara County. It would be seen in a positive light by organizations and would promote public awareness for local Green Party As an elderly person, in my 90's, with poor computer literacy I don't know if this feasible or, even if or acceptable to local Greens. I personally would welcome this service ,especially for "sit- down" events as , I no longer go demonstration rally march and peter out on vigils on any great length. Thank You for your consideration and reply. Paul Engstrom (long Green member and other previous minor party memberships ) pmengstrom at macreviewzone.com From carolineyacoub at att.net Fri Feb 20 10:23:24 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:23:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Today's Political Commentary - Stimulus Breakdown Message-ID: <17203.18006.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ? This is a lovely way to check on where the stimulus is going. You can check by state and city very quickly. Don't know if you got this, but I thought you would have "fun" going through it to see where our billions are going. I was fairly shocked to see $10.000.000 for a bridge in Manhattan Beach. I lived there a long time, and I don't remember any bridge, or any place where you could even put a bridge. Sunnyvale is getting a nice slice of pork. Where are they going to get all the people who know how to repair roads and bridges? I shudder to think what's going to happen in five years when all the bridges built by former car salesmen and Starbucks barristas start being driven over. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Margaret Hanson To: bascchat at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:17:38 AM Subject: [BASC Chat] Today's Political Commentary - Stimulus Breakdown President Obama's Stimulus Breakdown in detail: Pick your state and town http://www.stimulus watch.org/ project/by_ state/ Happy President's Day! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Members MARKETPLACE ________________________________ From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent ActivityVisit Your Group Y! 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URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Sat Feb 21 18:39:10 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:39:10 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Two Northern CA cities ban military recruiting of minors] Message-ID: <49A0BACE.2010805@aceweb.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Two Northern CA cities ban military recruiting of minors Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:00:44 -0800 From: david ledesma *Two Northern California Cities Ban Military Recruiting of Minors* By Dave Meserve, of Stop Recruiting Kids February 12, 2009 On November 4, 2008, voters in Arcata and Eureka, California approved ballot initiative ordinances that prohibit the military recruiting of any person under the age of 18. Specifically, the "Youth Protection Act" makes it an infraction for any military recruiter to initiate contact with minors, within the city limits, for the purpose of recruiting them into any branch of the military. The ordinance in no way prevents anyone from choosing to talk with a recruiter if he or she wants to do so. The idea for the ordinance was hatched over a year earlier, with a small group of activists wondering how people who opposed the use of the U.S military in so-called "preemptive wars" could act locally to stop such violations of international law. They reasoned that the impact of wars on communities is felt primarily in two ways. First, is the financial impact on city budgets and services that is a trickle-down effect of squandering billions of dollars* *on war. But just as real, and far more tragic for the community, is the recruiting of local people, especially very young people who become cannon fodder in wars that never needed to be fought. Recruiters often approach kids in their early teens and expound on the great opportunities that await them in the military, often with no mention of the grim realities of war. Staffing an army by preying on the vulnerability of youth is clearly wrong, and it is an issue which can unite people of diverse political views. Organizing around this kernel of an idea, a group of local parents, teachers, students, counter-recruiters, and activists came together and developed the Arcata Youth Protection Act into a ballot-ready ordinance. In January, volunteers began collecting the 1,300 valid signatures needed to place it on the November 4, 2008 ballot in Arcata. Then a group sprang up in neighborhood Eureka, determined to get an identical ordinance on their ballot, but working uphill, with a short time frame, in a city better known as a logging and fishing center than a bastion of progressive politics like Arcata. Amazingly, when the signature-gathering deadline arrived, volunteers in both cities had succeeded in gathering the support needed to place both measures on the ballot. An active campaign ensued, with a high point of receiving permission from Roger Waters, of Pink Floyd fame, to use an adapted version of "Another Brick in the Wall", where a chorus of children sang, "Hey Recruiter, leave them kids alone!". On November 4, 2008, Measure F in Arcata passed by a 73% landslide, and Measure J in Eureka received 57% approval. This historic victory is not the end of the story. Thirty days later, on December 4, the ordinances took effect. On December 15, both cities received letters announcing that the U.S.Department of Justice, acting on a Department of Defense complaint, was filing suit to invalidate the ordinances, claiming that they violate the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Proponents of the measure assert that limiting recruiting to those recognized as adults should in no way impede the mandate of Congress to "raise and support armies". In this "David vs. Goliath" match-up, the City Councils of both Arcata and Eureka have instructed their City Attorney to defend "the will of the voters", by defending the measures, at least through the preliminary legal process. The City of Arcata has a population of approximately 17,000 residents, while the City of Eureka is home to about 26,000. With today's economic crisis, and their small tax base, neither city has the deep pockets to launch a defense in Federal Court, taking on the U.S.Department of Justice. But the plot thickens. Their commitment to defend the measures has been made possible by the offer of pro-bono legal assistance by* *several well known Bay Area attorneys and law firms. In addition, the proponents of the measures, Stop Recruiting Kids, have retained their own attorney and hope to "intervene" in the case, in support of the ordinance. The attorneys are developing legal arguments for a defense of the ordinance, which in a responsive judicial environment may have a fair chance of success. Funds are needed for court costs, and more than anything else, people everywhere need to know about local efforts to protect youth on the California North Coast. Hopefully the courts will uphold the ordinances and other cities will start similar campaigns, with the benefit of knowing the successes and challenges of the Youth Protection Act. All of the more traditional efforts to counter the on-going military recruitment of minors should continue, but communities may also want to assert their rights, in their own hometowns, to demand that the military "Stop Recruiting Kids!". Attend our upcoming Bay Area STOP RECRUITING KIDS Speaking and Fundraising Tour: FRIDAY, March 6, San Francisco, 6:30pm SATURDAY, March 7, San Jos?, 4pm For further information visit: *www.stoprecruitingkids.or **g * Please distribute widely! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added a picture of the District of Columbia quarter From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sun Feb 22 12:35:59 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:35:59 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Report on the Wallach Sister's Powerful Event at De Anza Message-ID: Thursday night the Wallach sisters Darlene and Donna gave an emotional presentation on Gaza to a standing-room-only crowd of 100 people at De Anza College. They showed video showing Israeli gunboats shooting close across the bows of a Palestinian fishing boat, aggressively throwing wakes, and firing powerful water cannons into the wheelhouse. They said the water from these cannons has a strong chemical odor. They said that in 2006 the Israelis arbitrarily imposed a 6-mile fishing limit at the Gaza coast, while in most of the world a 12-mile limit is recognized. In 2008 14 Palestinian fishermen were killed by Israeli gunboats illegally entering Palestinian waters, and recently another was shot and wounded. They report that Israeli soldiers destroyed Palestinian houses and farms to create a buffer zone along the border, and that they shoot at or near farmers who enter their own fields. One doctor told them that soldiers shoot at his house every day, and one farmer has been unable to farm for 5 years because of the shooting. They stood on the fields with their hands up, calling for the Israelis to stop shooting near them. The blockade has been oppressive. 278 people died unnecessarily because they could not get across the border for needed medical treatment in Israel; 33,000 factory workers lost their jobs because supplies and components can't get through. Lack of building materials has led to overcrowded schools with 40 students in a class, and double schedules. Supplies to keep sewage plants operating properly can not be obtained. In the incident when the Israelis kidnapped Darlene at sea, the Israelis held the three boats for ten days, When they were returned, expensive GPS units had been stolen, and one of the engines had been damaged. The fishermen were threatened that if they have international observers on their boats again, the boats will be confiscated. Darlene commented that conditions in jail were better for her than conditions in Gaza, which she described as "an open air prison". She had 24-hour electricity, hot and cold water, and three meals a day. The Gazans are lucky to get 6 hours of electricity a day. The banks closed in November, bringing the economy to a halt. The Israelis are holding 12,000 Palestinian prisoners. Some are held in pits in the ground in cold weather, sometimes in combat areas. Darlene reacted angrily to a question about creating a Ghandian campaign of nonviolent resistance. She said that the everyday life of the Palestinian people was nonviolent resistance. Audience members recommended the book "The Israel Lobby" by Mearsheimer and Walt, political scientists at the University of Chicago and Harvard, and "West Bank Story," a comic film about a romance betweenDavid and Fatima. My whole life I have avoided confronting this issue because it's inconvenient and unpleasant, and it didn't seem to have anything to do with me. It was important to see the talk in a room full of other people; I "knew" most of that they said from having read stuff on the internet, but it didn't sink in. I recognize that my reaction was much like that of people who don't want to think about the dishonesty of the official 9/11 reports. I think the Wallachs felt impelled to get involved because the issue does involve them, just as my personal experiences forced me to do something about getting to the truth of 9/11. I thank the Wallach sisters for their courage and dedication to what's right, and I thank them for shocking me out of my wilful ignorance. A followup presentation by Barbara Lubin is happening this Thursday at the San Jose State Engineering Auditorium (near 7th and San Fernando) at 7:00 pm. http://www.southbaymobilization.org/index.php _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail??more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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General Admission $5 - $10, Seniors $3 - $7, minors, students, unemployed free admission From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sun Feb 22 14:21:42 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:21:42 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Buyers' Remorse Already Message-ID: An AP report that Obama is attempting to kill a lawsuit that is seeking recovery of missing Bush administration emails (1) has angered members of democraticunderground. (2) There's some bitter wit: "Change you can make believe in!" "We're the status quo we've been waiting for." "The Primary Purpose of Government is to Pretend to Fail." "Change no thinking American can believe in." There are some interesting observations: Remember that the media only let two Democratic candidates out the gate: Hillary was the Republican Party's wet dream, and Obama...well, who knows? Obama needs to stop protecting the crooks in the Bush administration and, instead, start prosecuting them. The traditional Dem method: "if we're nice to the opposition then they'll not be too mean to us, right"? The answer is obvious: Too many Democrats in high places were complicit with the crimes of the Bush Administration. I don't know how much longer the hopeful heart in me can continue to be trampled on before it is abandoned. Obama or no, if you expected change from one side of a the 2 party corporate system then someone will have to sit you down and explain Santa Claus. It looks like we've been duped. One more huge disappointment in what seems to be a daily dose. We will learn to hate right-wing Dems as much as we once hated Repubs. Will these folks go Green in 2010? 1. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090221/ap_on_go_pr_wh/white_house_e_mail 2. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3750309 _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Same_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Sun Feb 22 22:29:20 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:29:20 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Boycott Kelloggs! Message-ID: <49A24240.3010108@aceweb.com> Since joining the Kellogg boycott I've been thinking about breakfast. Besides that Michael Phelps thing, there are also lots of other good reasons to boycott Kelloggs. For example, Laura Macias was telling me that one of the main ways GE corn gets into our diets is through mainstream packaged goods like corn flakes. Being a big fan of eating breakfast, I used the opportunity provided by the excuse of this boycott to do a survey of the available options from smaller vendors available to me around here. Check them out by clicking on this link: http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/My/Kitchen/Cereal/index.html Please notice that lots of these products have words like ?organic? on the packaging. For me, it was exciting and gratifying to find out that there are greener alternatives out there! Dear reader, I can only hope that you find good choices where you shop! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added a picture of the District of Columbia quarter From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sun Feb 22 22:25:57 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:25:57 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Boycott Kelloggs! In-Reply-To: <49A24240.3010108@aceweb.com> References: <49A24240.3010108@aceweb.com> Message-ID: I quit the conventional cereals back in the 80's when I realized corn flakes had a per-pound price the same as steak. When I bother with breakfast, I eat Albers corn grits, the cheapest cereal going. I put it 2:1 water/grits in the microwave for 3:33 and its done. Add canned beans, egg, spices, blanched onion, spices. Gets you going! B > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:29:20 -0800 > From: tnharter at aceweb.com > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Boycott Kelloggs! > > Since joining the Kellogg boycott I've been thinking about breakfast. > Besides that Michael Phelps thing, there are also lots of other good > reasons to boycott Kelloggs. For example, Laura Macias was telling me > that one of the main ways GE corn gets into our diets is through > mainstream packaged goods like corn flakes. Being a big fan of eating > breakfast, I used the opportunity provided by the excuse of this boycott > to do a survey of the available options from smaller vendors available > to me around here. Check them out by clicking on this link: > > http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/My/Kitchen/Cereal/index.html > > Please notice that lots of these products have words like ?organic? on > the packaging. For me, it was exciting and gratifying to find out that > there are greener alternatives out there! > > Dear reader, I can only hope that you find good choices where you shop! > > -- > Tian > http://tian.greens.org > Latest change: Added a picture of the District of Columbia quarter > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 23 18:14:27 2009 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:14:27 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] action against arms makers Message-ID: <49A35803.3000102@sbcglobal.net> Excerpts from a report in today's Guardian *Decommissioning the arms trade* When government agencies cloak arms exports to Israel in secrecy, we have a moral and legal right to prevent their damage During the night of January 17 2009, the last day of the Israeli attack on Gaza, six peace activists climbed the fence of a Brighton arms factory EDO MBM . Entering through broken windows and wielding hammers, they systematically smashed computers and machinery, and destroyed records. In Brighton, [2003] rallies against the outbreak of the Iraq war saw thousands on the streets , expressing anger, even against the New Labour-led council. Ironically, the day before the EDO MBM factory was broken into [2009], Brighton council censored a motion of condemnation (jpg) against EDO MBM's supplies of components to Israel tabled by the Green party. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/22/arms-trade-protest-edo From tnharter at aceweb.com Tue Feb 24 12:11:39 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:11:39 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] schwag Message-ID: <49A4547B.2090400@aceweb.com> At the County Council meeting last weekend we talked a lot about fundraising. I've taken on the task of coming up with something. If we want it on our tables for earth day, we need finished concepts for approval at the county meeting in a week and a half. Art and everything. My question is, what would you buy if you saw it on our table? I ask because I have too many T shirts, coffee cups, and grocery bags. It wouldn't surprise me if the same was true for many other people. I'm looking for ideas! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added a picture of the District of Columbia quarter From tnharter at aceweb.com Wed Feb 25 17:09:04 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:09:04 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] See what happened at the SCCGPCC meeting last Sunday Message-ID: <49A5EBB0.6020608@aceweb.com> http://tian.greens.org/SantaClaraCounty/GreenParty/CCMeeting/index.html -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added an article about that AR Green, Richard Carroll. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 25 21:47:59 2009 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:47:59 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] agenda items Message-ID: <49A62D0F.40400@sbcglobal.net> Calendars: 1) environmental (Paul Engstrom) and 2) tabling From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 22:37:00 2009 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:37:00 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] agenda items In-Reply-To: <49A62D0F.40400@sbcglobal.net> References: <49A62D0F.40400@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Stanford Condi Unwelcoming March 21, San Francisco Madeleine Albright in June > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:47:59 -0800 > From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] agenda items > > Calendars: 1) environmental (Paul Engstrom) and 2) tabling > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Same_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From palmheaven at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 15:35:00 2009 From: palmheaven at gmail.com (Palm Haven Handyman) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:35:00 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] agenda items In-Reply-To: <49A62D0F.40400@sbcglobal.net> References: <49A62D0F.40400@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hey, I am going to try to make it to the next meeting. Anyone want to hear my ideas about: 1) founding the first local sustainability council as a template for other communities to copy 2) GP sponsor a youth environmental leadership contest/awards party 3) GP activate for parking lot villages for the recently-homeless, living in their cars 4) edible landscaping and San Jose's ban on it Roy III On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Jim Doyle wrote: > Calendars: 1) environmental (Paul Engstrom) and 2) tabling > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Greenbuilder CA General Contractor B #756438 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Palm Haven Handyman wrote: > Hey, I am going to try to make it to the next meeting. Anyone want to > hear my ideas about: > > 1) founding the first local sustainability council as a template for > other communities to copy > 2) GP sponsor a youth environmental leadership contest/awards party > 3) GP activate for parking lot villages for the recently-homeless, > living in their cars > 4) edible landscaping and San Jose's ban on it > > Roy III > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Jim Doyle > wrote: > > Calendars: 1) environmental (Paul Engstrom) and 2) tabling > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > -- > Greenbuilder > CA General Contractor B #756438 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added my perception of Obama's speech and the R response. From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Feb 26 17:20:12 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:20:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] agenda items In-Reply-To: References: <49A62D0F.40400@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2215.76.126.236.53.1235697612.squirrel@greens.org> Yes siree Roy. I'm doing the agenda for this month so I'll put you down to do our 20 minute 'Greenspiration talk' near the beginning of the General Meeting. Please carefully structure your presentation time so that we can squeeze it all in within the (very generous) allotment of time. We are trying to make it a feature of each General Meeting to spend 20 minutes hearing from a Green that is got some specific time/talent/treaure contributions that they are making to the Green Party movement. I actually requested for you to talk to us last month re: the exciting things you were learning from your first political foray, but since you weren't able to make it, the slot passed to Tian who was talking about some interesting things he'd learned from a Green New Zealander e-mail friend. So yeah, bring it! And yes I'm paying attention to the other items that have been posted. Green is Go! Drew On Thu, February 26, 2009 15:35, Palm Haven Handyman wrote: > Hey, I am going to try to make it to the next meeting. Anyone want to > hear > my ideas about: > > 1) founding the first local sustainability council as a template for > other > communities to copy > 2) GP sponsor a youth environmental leadership contest/awards party > 3) GP activate for parking lot villages for the recently-homeless, living > in their cars > 4) edible landscaping and San Jose's ban on it > > Roy III > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Jim Doyle > wrote: > >> Calendars: 1) environmental (Paul Engstrom) and 2) tabling >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > > > -- > Greenbuilder > CA General Contractor B #756438 > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From JamBoi at Greens.org Thu Feb 26 17:25:41 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:25:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Council Meeting on the 28th Message-ID: <2218.76.126.236.53.1235697941.squirrel@greens.org> The Green Party Council of the Santa Clara Co. Green Party scheduled a meeting for this upcoming Saturday, the 28th. The initial location stated was at Wes' place. I don't recall time and I'm not sure if Wes has responded with a firm answer yet. No matter what, the meeting needs to take place and it needs to be in a priorly announced (we usually try for at least 48 hours, though earlier is better) location accessible to all interested Green Party Members (ie. have registered Green and are in good standing w/ the party). So Council, let's hear the details. :-) Green is Go! Drew From cbrouillet at igc.org Thu Feb 26 21:00:41 2009 From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:00:41 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Report on the American Citizens Summit Message-ID: Posted with Links and photos at- http://communitycurrency.org/transpartisan.html . Here's the text version- "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Abraham Lincoln From February 11th to 15th , 2009, at the American Citizens? Summit in Denver, people from across the political spectrum gathered to speak and identify priorities demanding attention at a time of converging global crises. Processes included meeting in circles, listening, open space, and innovative feedback technologies that allowed everyone to vote on issues, ideas, and positions--anonymously and instantly--and to reflect the information to the group. An interim Sunshine Cabinet--including Cynthia McKinney (2008- Green Party candidate for President), Congressman Ron Paul, Grover Norquist, Liberty Coalition co-founder Michael Ostrolenk, Barbara Marx Hubbard, humorist Steve Bhaerman and Committee for a Unified Independent Party director Jackie Salit--spoke about their top priorities. They included transparency, dismantling the national security state, a non-interventionist foreign policy, peace, justice, dignity, promoting liberty, following the Constitution, creating a Peace Room, and addressing the collapse of the economic system by creating a local/global sustainable economy that values solar energy, food, human invention and love. The history and evolution of the Transpartisan Movement was mapped. Processes, some of which were developed from high school classroom ground rules and from rules adopted at the first Bipartisan Congressional Retreat, were explained. Spiral Dynamics allowed everyone to understand a framework to help people consciously transcend the limits of bipartisan thinking. People were encouraged to leave their egos at the door and to be open to all points of view, deeper truths, and surprising synergies, so they could create space in which ideas or solutions drawn from the collective wisdom of a diverse group of people could emerge. Mark Gerzon, a pioneer in the movement, candidly admitted that the Stimulus Bill (which President Obama publicly signed into law February 18th, 2009, in Denver), was a result of bipartisan thinking and give and take, creating ammunition for future arguments and battles between Republicans and Democrats. A genuine effort to rationally examine measurable effects of past efforts to improve the lives of individuals, communities, and regions--to meet people?s needs and ameliorate economic conditions--was thwarted by Congress. The Stimulus Bill is basically window dressing that does not begin to tackle the deeper systemic problems or the most urgent immediate needs of the people at a time of uncertainty and crisis; it is window dressing that promotes the ?idea? that the government is ?trying to do something? and is on top of the situation--which is an illusion, like the bubble wealth creation of the financial sector that has burst. Throwing money at the speculators? black hole of astronomical debt will only reward and enrich the banksters and transfer an unpayable debt from them onto the shoulders of taxpayers. Rescuing banks has never served or helped the plight of populations who have seen their homes, savings, and businesses stolen from them by predators who already have the most wealth. With so many systems failing, prescribing ?more of the same medicine? does not inspire confidence. Pronouncements from the World Economic Forum and the White House try to convince us that the government and corporate structures that have dominated the past several decades are going to offer genuine solutions. These government and corporate structures are a large part of what has created the problem in the first place. The current policies might maintain the veneer of structural integrity, but beneath the surface explosives are going off, destroying huge swaths of infrastructure--key columns, as happened in the controlled demolition of World Trade Center 7. The fall time is predicted by the laws of physics, so that those in the know can exit and profit as they watch from a distance--and calculate how to profit even more from the insurance money that they?ll use to build the next bubble economy. Facilitator Peggy Holman, author of The Change Handbook, wrote: ?Systems call forth different aspects of intelligence, as needed. When everything is working fine, people who have answers are rewarded and the pioneers and questioners are pushed to the fringe. When shifts begin to happen rapidly and systems begin failing, smart people and institutions start pulling in those who are effective at challenging the status quo and asking and pursuing powerful questions. What was fringe becomes central ? > In creating room for dialogue and compassionate listening, respect for diverse points of view, awareness of the ?triggers? that push our buttons and how to overcome reactions and ?stay present,? the Citizens? Summit created a space for surprising insights, ideas, synergies, and solutions to emerge in powerful ways. The Citizens? Summit identified the values we held in common: the top ones were respect, listening, integrity, transparency, taking action, building trust, compassion, and love. Joseph McCormick, primary organizer of the Citizens? Summit and co-founder of Reuniting America, deliberately chose the bicentennial of Abraham Lincoln?s birthday as the date of the conference to draw together people with the "courage to cooperate" across traditional ideological barriers. He voiced his concern about the increasing polarization taking place within the country. He showed a map delineating Republican and Democrat counties in 2006 and 2008 that highlighted how the red areas were becoming redder and the blue areas bluer, with very little purple. Michael Andregg, in his book On the Causes of War, explains that wars arise when there are two distinct narratives to explain ?a common event.? Pitting right against left allows the top to control the bottom. The summit was an attempt to bring people from across the political landscape together, and we all experienced the challenges of this attempt. For example, the processes were too ?communistic or touchy/feely? for some participants who came to advocate their particular issues. There were some very passionate advocates for radical reforms, but some of them had learned over decades that the best way to persuade people about these issues involved the softer approach of compassionate listening and thoughtful, honest, deliberative dialogue. There seemed to be many ?leaders, authors, presidents, politicians, and founders of various organizations? at the summit, and few ?followers.? There was a healthy gender balance but a distinct lack of ethnic and income diversity. The registration fee to attend the summit and the hotel costs were beyond the price range of struggling activists and those who have to ?earn a living.? The organizers had approached the conference with a strong vision and had gone out on a limb to try to pull off a conference in the middle of February in Colorado. A poster session focused on endowing the Transpartisan Alliance, paying off the debt, and advancing the work. I was drawn to the summit when I learned that Cynthia McKinney and David Ray Griffin were invited speakers. I had hopes that the issues that I have worked on for years would be addressed and I was intrigued to try the new processes. The Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance voted to sponsor a booth at the summit and send Ken Jenkins, Richard Gage, and me as delegates. Fran Shure of Colorado 911 Truth Visibility offered to host us and help us with a 9/11 Truth booth. Jennifer Parisi, also active with Colorado 911 Truth Visibility helped at our booth. Jonathan Elinoff brought his laptop and shared excerpts from his new film "Core of Corruption? which includes dramatic new footage on 9/11. We are Change Colorado had a booth. In addition to attending the summit, Richard Gage, AIA, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, spoke at a local bookstore to a full house, which also drew people from the summit. Even though our poster sessions on 9/11 Truth were lightly attended, when polled over 70% of the participants on Sunday indicated that they believed the US government either allowed 9/11 to happen or made it happen. Evan Ravitz, activist and webmaster of www.vote.org, who is a passionate advocate for national ballot initiatives, offered us an idea to improve our outreach to the public. Observing the popularity of the homemade cookies that we gave away at our booth as well as at some of the poster sessions, he suggested making a large banner saying ?9/11 Truth and Cookies? and using that name to create yet another 9/11 Truth group, with perhaps greater appeal than the many Architects and Engineers, Pilots, Medical Professionals, Veterans, Fire Fighters, Scholars for 9/11 Truth groups. He also suggested putting the cookie recipes on the website. As publisher of the Deception Dollars, I had been planning to print a new bill that would be an evolution of the ?Conception Dollar? published in August 2007 that pointed towards solutions. While attending the summit I volunteered to publish a ?Perception Dollar,? or ?Transpartisan Dollar,? in collaboration with others at the summit, to further the Transpartisan Movement and identify the values, processes, and solutions that citizens were coming up with in response to the massive problems generated by corporations, militarism, and the corruption and abuse of power so prevalent in the institutions that seek to dominate our country and the world. Frankly, I?m not sure what the next step will be for those of us who came to the summit, were transformed, and have committed to work together during this time of crisis. I was surprised to learn that Obama chose to sign the Stimulus Bill in Denver, in the wake of the citizens? summit. Obama was elected because people wanted ?change,? but he has surrounded himself with those who engineered the economic crisis. Obama and Congress have supported the bailout and permitted the largest transference of wealth in history and the biggest financial crime ever. Prior to 9/11, my main issue--after I became aware of the extremely destructive nature of the debt-based monetary system--was money/monetary reform, or global economics (the global power structure). Although I had inherited some wealth, after I realized what was behind our monetary system I literally gave away all my money in the 90?s to change the system, to promote local currencies, and to educate people about money--a major blind spot of civilization. I had been expecting a financial collapse for a long time and felt that the system held up only due to the smoke and mirrors of the mainstream media--which hid the criminal fraud of the system itself and of the most powerful players on the world stage--as well as due to the lack of an ?alternative system.? I realized that to change the monetary system required changing the belief system of Americans and the world. In some ways, 9/11 created a unique opportunity to expose ?the curtain? and ?those behind the curtain? who create ?events? or ?psychological operations--black operations--terrorist attacks? to manipulate public opinion and trick populations into supporting wars and allowing the construction of a police state.... Despite the powerful psychological obstacles to looking at the facts about 9/11, it turned out to be easier to help people understand the events of 9/11 than to educate them about how money is created and how global economics works. (An excellent resource on both issues is Michel Chossudovsky?s website, www.globalresearch.ca.) At a poster session on ?Transpartisan Economics? there was a very friendly, respectful discussion regarding numerous approaches to tax reform, land reform, and monetary reform, which recognized that there is no silver bullet solution to quickly solve and retool our economic system. Wendell Fitzgerald, president of the Henry George School of San Francisco (www.henrygeorgesf.org), and Steven Shafarman, author of Peaceful, Positive Revolution: Economic Security for Every American, advocated for a guaranteed basic income, together with tax and monetary reformists, agreed that we need ?an honest, above-board participatory economic system valuing community in the creation of money, land value and tax policy to serve our individual and common needs, creating income security for all, and not passing down debt and loss to the final consumer or future inhabitant.? Last September, when the financial crisis made headlines and the bailout was proposed, a huge majority of people suddenly could see that they were being ripped off and that the crooks who were most responsible were being rewarded. The time for monetary reform is ripe. Knowing the importance of this issue, I actually tried to get those advocating monetary reform to attend the Citizens? Summit--including Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who last October introduced H. R. 7260 (Transparency in the Creation of Wealth Act of 2008), which demanded transparency in the Federal Reserve; Stephen Zarlenga, founder of The American Monetary Institute and author of The Lost Science of Money: The Mythology of Money, The Story of Power; and Richard Cook, author of We Hold These Truths: The Hope of Monetary Reform. Congressman Ron Paul, who also proposed legislation to ?end the Federal Reserve,? did not speak directly about the issue at the summit, but indirectly and more broadly suggested that we promote liberty as a unifier, as well as honoring the Constitution. His supporters were passionately advocating a return to silver and gold backed currency. I took the workshop on ?overcoming triggers? just so that I could dialogue with the hard money advocates without immediately falling into debate mode. At the circles addressing economics issues, we realized that most of the work we had to do was in the realm of public education--overcoming myths that entrench a dysfunctional system that maintains and exacerbates the disparities between the rich and the poor and decimates the middle class. These are the top issues that emerged from the collective whole, framed as questions: How do we give everyone access to affordable, quality healthcare? How do we create a system for quality education that respects the individual, encourages the desire to learn, and develops critical thinking skills? How do we achieve transparency in all government transactions including taxes and the Federal Reserve? How do we develop an alternative energy economy that provides jobs, protects our environment and creates energy independence? Enhancing local role in decision making: How do we deepen the quality of engagement between Americans and their government? All people are authentically engaged in the creation of all public decisions and policy. America's government is termed a Republic: How do we achieve a truly representative Republic - a truly representative Democracy? How do we create economic policies that provide the basic needs and opportunities for every American? How do we create healthy, safe, vital, sustainable local communities? Establishing common ground and trust in shared values and goals seemed to be the first step in working together through the more gnarled strategies and steps necessary to realize them. On the first day, a long presentation on spiral dynamics looked at the evolution of thought processes and how increasingly complex problems and crises demand new ways of thinking--first for tribes, then nations, and finally for civilizations to adapt and survive. Many have not survived. Sometimes the most personal stories are the most universal, when someone has the courage to bare their soul, removing whatever fa?ade they might wear to protect themselves, and exposing their weaknesses, their vulnerabilities, their heart. The revelations we offer one another--and the sensitive listening, reciprocity, and respect--are the essential first steps toward developing trust and overcoming stereotypes and prejudice based on appearances. I was surprised at the summit by the revelations I heard. I was also told directly by several people that Ken, Richard, Fran, Jennifer and I broke ?the crazy conspiracy theorist? stereotype for people who otherwise would not have doubted or questioned the official 9/11 story. My own natural ?mistrust? of elected officials was challenged when I learned that one of the wealthier men in Congress actually sponsored the attendance at the summit of my activist friend Evan Ravitz. During a hike after the summit, Evan told me about Jared Polis, a freshman Congressman from Colorado who used his entrepreneurial and Internet skills in his college days to help his family make a fortune with their greeting card company. Jared devoted much of his personal fortune to passing good legislation, improving education in Colorado, and serving the greater good. Mark Twain wrote: ?It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native criminal class except Congress.? I agree with Twain for the most part. I am embarrassed to even admit that I ran for Congress twice. (I usually add that I ran because Congress was behaving treasonably by not defending the Constitution and by not impeaching Bush and Cheney, who I considered the greatest threats to our nation and the world. I also knew, as a Green Party candidate, that my chances of winning were almost nil, but running allowed me to speak publicly about taboo issues). However, I have also met those with great courage and integrity who were in Congress and lost their seats because they posed a threat to the status quo. And under tremendous pressure, a few, including Representatives Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, continue to speak up and champion the people?s interest over corporate interests. 9/11 truth and the monetary crisis were transpartisan issues in the sense that they transcended the limited political boxes, or hats that people wore, drawing people from across the political spectrum to question the invisible agreements and assumptions that permeate civic life and the possibility that those could and should be changed. On the last day of the conference, we were asked to stand where we felt we were in relation to the Transpartisan Alliance--anywhere from the center to the edge. Except for getting up from my chair, I didn?t move, because I could see how I could incorporate the good ideas into my work and help promote them, and at the same time try to balance my life and continue to work on the issues that I cared about passionately. However, in the last round of stating our commitments to the group, I found myself teamed up with Robert Steele, an ex-intelligence professional (can one actually retire from the CIA?) who has strongly advocated open source public intelligence available to all, promoting the idea of Collective Intelligence--inspired by one of my mentors and friends, Tom Atlee of the Co-Intelligence Institute. I subsequently found myself on the funding committee. In an era when the volume of information is exploding, knowledgeable processing of that information can?t keep up, and genuine wisdom is rare and speaks so softly that it is hard to discern from the cacophony, my deepest concerns are over technology. On one hand, technology is incredibly empowering and enables us to communicate without the traditional gatekeepers of the mainstream media; on the other hand, technology can be abused and has a history of being used to serve elite interests and maintain their control over the planet. I struggle to process more than I can possibly disseminate and share in words or through art and actions, while balancing the demands of my family, my colleagues, and the world. I have a heartfelt desire that we move from the paradigm of fear toward one of courage, love, respect, and cooperation. My hope is that we can transition from the ?love of power to the power of love,? and my fear is that every technological trick in the book will be used to deceive, frighten, and fragment people to maintain the dying empire. How can we nurture new, transparent, life serving, decentralized, local, state, national, international Transpartisan efforts to identify and solve the real problems that we face? Can we draw from the collective wisdom of the diverse many with direct knowledge and experience in the real world whose voices, concerns and insights need to be heard? Do we need technology to do it? Can we do it through face to face meetings? Like money, will technology tyrannize humanity? Or can we use it, as we might use an enlightened monetary system, to serve human needs? I don?t know all the answers, but now more than ever, we need to raise questions and come up with new ways to solve our problems. Matching processes with purpose seems like the right place to start. By Carol Brouillet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Fri Feb 27 07:40:05 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:40:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: GPLAC-Forum Digest, Vol 40, Issue 73: Register ro Vote Date for 2010 Candidates; Single Payer; Recession News; Green Pages Message-ID: <431324.61335.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Notice the date to register a 2010 candidate is March 11. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Shane Que Hee Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:25:24 PM Subject: GPLAC-Forum Digest, Vol 40, Issue 73: Register ro Vote Date for 2010 Candidates; Single Payer; Recession News; Green Pages > From: gplac-forum-request at lists.cagreens.org > Subject: GPLAC-Forum Digest, Vol 40, Issue 73 > To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org > Reply-To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:10:56 -0800 > > List-Id: Green Party of Los Angeles County Discussion Forum >? ? ? ? > List-Unsubscribe: , >? ? ? ? > List-Archive: > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , >? ? ? ? > Sender: gplac-forum-bounces at lists.cagreens.org > > > Send GPLAC-Forum mailing list submissions to >? ? ? ? gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >? ? ? ? http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gplac-forum > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >? ? ? ? gplac-forum-request at lists.cagreens.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >? ? ? ? gplac-forum-owner at lists.cagreens.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of GPLAC-Forum digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >? ? 1. March 11th Deadline to Register Green or Decline to State to >? ? ? run for Partisan Office in 2010 (Shane Que Hee) >? ? 2. Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz on single payer (Shane Que Hee) >? ? 3. Crash talk: recession news missing from most media coverage >? ? ? (ProRev.com) (Shane Que Hee) >? ? 4. The Winter 2009 issue of Green Pages is now available for >? ? ? on-line reading. (Shane Que Hee) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:37:48 -0800 > From: Shane Que Hee > Subject: [GPLAC-Forum] March 11th Deadline to Register Green or >? ? ? ? Decline to State to run for Partisan Office in 2010 > To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org > Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090226143702.046cbc30 at mail.ucla.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:07:27 -0800 > >From: Mike Feinstein > >Subject: March 11th Deadline to Register Green or Decline to > >? State to run for Partisan Office in 2010 > > > >http://la.indymedia.org/news/2009/02/224993.php > > > >Are you thinking of running for partisan office in California in 2010? > > > >1) To Run as a Green for Partisan Office in 2010, one must either be > >registered Green or 'decline to state' by March 11th, 2009 [EC 8001(a)(2)] > > > >and then if registered 'decline to state' by March 11th, 2009, then > >registered Green no later than December 11th, 2009 [EC 8001(a)(2)]. > > > >Registration must either be post-marked by March 11th be no later as the > >date of affidavit. > > > >2) The partisan offices up in 2010 are: > > > >80 State Assembly > >http://www.legislature.ca.gov/legislators_and_districts/districts/a ssemblydistricts.html > >http://www.assembly.ca.gov/clerk/MEMBERINFORMATION/memberdir_1.asp > > > >20 State Senate > >http://www.legislature.ca.gov/legislators_and_districts/districts/s enatedistricts.html > >http://www.sen.ca.gov/ftp/SEN/senplan/senate.htp > >http://www.senate.ca.gov/~newsen/senators/senators.htp > > > >52 Congressional Seats > >http://www.alllaw.com/state_resources/california/congressional_delegation/ > >http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/images/pdf/congdist/pagecgd110_ca.pdf > >http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/congress.html#ca > > > >11 State Constitutional Offices > >Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, Controller, > >Treasurer, Attorney General, the Superintendent of Public Instruction > >and four Board of Equalization districts > > > >To get a sense of the deadlines, requirements and fees for these > >races, here are helpful links from the 2008 election cycle: > > > >http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_calendar2008.htm > >http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_cand.htm > >http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_runningforoffice_08.htm > > > >For the platform of the Green Party of California, see > > > >http://www.cagreens.org/platform/ > > > >If you are thinking of running as a Green in 2010 and are in LA County, > >contact gplac-info at cagreens.org > > > >If you are thinking of running as a Green in 2010 and are outside of LA > >County, contact the Greens Campaigns & Candidates coordinator Warner > >Bloomberg at wsb3attyca at aol.com > > > >For more about the deadlines to be registered Green, see this section of > >the California Election Code: > > > >http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=elec&group=07 001-08000&file=8000-8004 > > > >Please forward to others who you think might be interested. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:39:42 -0800 > From: Shane Que Hee > Subject: [GPLAC-Forum] Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz on single payer > To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org > Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090226143853.046c8c30 at mail.ucla.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > > >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:34:43 -0800 > >From: Don McCanne > >Subject: qotd: Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz on single payer > > > >Democracy Now! > >February 25, 2009 > >Nobel Prize-Winning Economist Joseph Stiglitz > > > >We get reaction to President Obama?s speech from > >Nobel economics laureate and former World Bank > >chief economist, Joseph Stiglitz. > > > >Amy Goodman:? And healthcare? He?s called for > >universal healthcare, but he does not call for single-payer healthcare. > > > >Joseph Stiglitz:? I think that there are some > >fundamental problems in the efficiency of our > >healthcare system. And what we?ve seen is that > >the private healthcare insurers do not know how to deliver an efficient way. > > > >Amy Goodman:? Do you support single-payer healthcare? > > > >Joseph Stiglitz:? I think I?ve reluctantly come > >to the view that it?s the only alternative. You > >know, we?ve tried a lot of other things. And > >we?ve been ? you know, I was in the Clinton > >administration, and we debated a lot of > >alternatives, and I?ve watched things as they?ve > >emerged and, you know, evolved over the last > >twelve, sixteen years, and I think there?s a > >growing consensus that the private market exclusion is not going to work. > > > >Amy Goodman:? Joe Stiglitz, I want to thank you > >for being with us, the Nobel Prize-winning > >economist, professor at Columbia University, > >co-author of The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict. > > > >These are the closing comments in this 28 minute video, audio and transcript: > >http://www.democra cynow.org/2009/2/25/stieglitz > > > > > >Comment:? What does Joseph Stiglitz have to say? > > > >That's a question we ask when we are faced with > >difficult issues such as the current financial > >crisis, and what we should do about the troubled > >banks. To our benefit, Amy Goodman did ask him, > >and we learn what he has to say. > > > >At the end of the interview, Amy Goodman tacked > >on this crucial question regarding our health care crisis. Single payer? > > > >Joseph Stiglitz's response must be shared with > >the nation, and especially with those in > >Washington who say that single payer is not > >feasible. We should inundate Washington with his > >statement that single payer is "the only alternative." > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:47:19 -0800 > From: Shane Que Hee > Subject: [GPLAC-Forum] Crash talk: recession news missing from most >? ? ? ? media coverage (ProRev.com) > To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org > Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090226144647.046cac30 at mail.ucla.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:12:16 -0800 (PST) > >From: Scott McLarty > >Reply-To: scottmclarty at yahoo.com > >Subject: Crash talk: recession news missing from most media coverage > >(ProRev.com) > > > > > >UNDERNEWS > >The news while there's still time to do something about it > >THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW > >Editor: Sam Smith > >REVIEW INDEX http://prorev.com > >UNDERNEWS http://prorev.com/indexa.htm > >23 February 2009 > > > > > >CRASH TALK > > > >Telegraph, UK > >(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/47 84934/Police-bracing-themselves-for-summer-of-rage-against-economic-crisis.html) > >- Metropolitan Police Superintendent David Hartshorn has said police > >are bracing themselves for a "summer of rage" against the economic > >crisis. Supt Hartshorn, who heads the Metropolitan Police's public > >order branch, said he feared there could be "mass protest" at rising > >unemployment, failing financial institutions and the downturn in the > >economy. . . Up to 120,000 people marched through Dublin on Saturday > >in an emotional and angry national demonstration over the Irish > >Government's handling of the economic crisis. In the UK earlier this > >month, hundreds of oil refinery and power station workers carried > >out a series of wildcat strikes over the use of foreign workers. And > >across the Channel in France, a million people joined demonstrations > >to demand greater protection for jobs. > > > > > >Pro Publica - The money in the stimulus bill slated for > >transportation and infrastructure--a touch under $100 billion--is > >likely to be one of the stimulus' biggest job-generators. But we > >crunched the numbers and found that states with high unemployment > >are actually getting less money per-capita or even per-unemployed > >worker than states with low unemployment. Details > >http://www.propublica.org/special/stimulus-unemployment-chart-and-map > > > > > >Sam Stein, Huffington Post (http://snipurl.com/cgxk1) - Appearing on > >ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Gov. Arnold > >Schwarzenegger giddily embraced the idea that more money would be > >available for California should his GOP colleagues -- like Govs. > >Mark Sanford of South Carolina and Bobby Jindal of Louisiana -- > >refuse stimulus funds. "Well, Governor Sanford says that he does not > >want to take the federal stimulus package money. And I'll say to > >him, I'll take it," Schwarzenegger said. "I'm more than happy to > >take his money or any other governor in this country that doesn't > >want to take this money. I'll take it, because we in California need it." > > > >U.S. District Judge Richard Holwell has told the Treasury Department > >it has until March 23 to give Fox Business Network information on > >how it has spent its bailout money. > > > > > >Robert Reich (http://robertreich.blogspot.com) - While it's true > >that the New Deal didn't end the Great Depression, three points need > >to be impressed on the hard-pressed conservative mind: > > > >1. The New Deal relieved a great deal of suffering by establishing > >social safety nets -- Unemployment Insurance, Aid for Dependent > >Children, and Social Security for retirees. . . > > > >2. FDR's public works spending did help the economy somewhat. By > >1936, U.S. the economy was showing some life. Unemployment was > >declining and consumers were beginning to buy. But FDR cut back on > >public-works spending, and the economy sank back into its former > >torpor. A warning to Obama: Don't worry about so-called "fiscal > >responsibility" when aggregate demand still falls far short of the > >economy's total capacity. > > > >3. The Second World War pulled the nation out of the Great > >Depression because it required that government spend on such a huge > >scale as to restart the nation's factories, put Americans back to > >work, and push the nation toward its productive capacty. By the end > >of the war, most Americans were better off than they were before its > >start. Yes, the national debt ballooned to 120 percent of GDP. But > >the debt-GDP ratio subsequently declined -- not just because > >post-war spending dropped but because the economy continued to grow > >as war production converted to the production of consumer goods. > >Lesson: The danger isn't too much stimulus, it's too little stimulus. > > > > > >Mark LeVine, Al Jazeera > >(http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/outofwork/2009/02/2009217123294 91425.html) > >- The roots of this crisis can be traced back to the economic > >policies of the 1980s. For a generation the growth of the US economy > >has been disproportionately driven by the availability of cheap > >consumer goods and investment credit. This system, which peaked with > >the rise of the securitization of highly risky sub-prime mortgages > >in the last few years, enabled an investment system to emerge in > >which the debt to equity ratio was an outstanding, and totally > >unsustainable, 100 to one. > > > >As Nouriel Roubini, a New York University economist who was among > >the first to predict the collapse we are now experiencing, explains > >it, the largely unregulated debt system created a "credit chain". > > > >This debt-to-equity ratio was so unstable that even a one per cent > >fall in the price of the final investment at the end of the chain > >"wipes out the initial capital and creates a chain of margin calls > >that unravel this debt house of cards". > > > >The world economy similarly depended on a growth formula based on a > >debt-equity ratio of five to one. This means that in order for > >countries to maintain real GDP growth of two to three per cent, > >available credit would have to expand by 10 to 15 per cent. . . > > > >So far, the Obama administration has sought to inject enough money > >into the US economy to ease up the restrictions on credit and > >stimulate the economy through tax breaks and infrastructure programmes. > > > >What few Americans, politicians and ordinary citizens alike, have > >thought to consider is whether the financial system that the new > >administration is trying to rescue - essentially, the "American way > >of Life" - should even be saved. . . > > > >Obama's biggest challenge will be to figure out how to create > >millions of jobs while steering the US economy away from the > >economically and environmentally unsustainable model of growth that > >helped generate the present crisis. > > > >To do this will require more than spending hundreds of billions of > >dollars on rebuilding crumbling infrastructure and encouraging > >"green" technologies. > > > >It will require designing an architecture for a 21st century economy > >that much more equitably distributes limited resources among an > >expanding population than has the debt/consumption system that is > >now collapsing globally. > > > > > >Chris Bryant, Financial Times > >(http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a896e59e-011f-11de-8f6e-000077b07658.htm l?nclick_check=1) > >- European leaders on Sunday outlined sweeping proposals to regulate > >financial markets and hedge funds and clamp down on tax havens as > >they sought a common position to combat the global economic crisis. > >. . In a joint statement, they endorsed a plan to create a > >comprehensive regulatory framework that covers "all financial > >markets, products and participants - including hedge funds and other > >private pools of capital which may pose a systemic risk". > > > > > >Forbes > >(http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=6914381&page=1) - > >Las Vegas edged Detroit for the title of America's most abandoned > >city. Atlanta came in third, followed by Greensboro, N.C., and > >Dayton, Ohio. Our rankings, a combination of rental and homeowner > >vacancy rates for the 75 largest metropolitan statistical areas in > >the country, are based on fourth-quarter data by the Census Bureau. > >Each was ranked on rental vacancies and housing vacancies; the final > >ranking is an average of the two. . . Boston and New York are among > >the lone bright spots, while Honolulu is the nation's best with a > >vacancy rate of 5.8 percent for homes and a scant 0.5 percent for rentals. > > > > > >HOW WALL STREET WILL KEEP THE RIP-OFFS GOING > >http://www.alternet.org/workplace/128241 > > > >COMMODITY MARKET PONZI SCHEMES ON THE RISE > >http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sat-ponzis-feb21,0,1869551.story > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:12:33 -0800 > From: Shane Que Hee > Subject: [GPLAC-Forum] The Winter 2009 issue of Green Pages is now >? ? ? ? available for on-line reading. > To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org > Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090226211151.046b5180 at mail.ucla.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:05:08 -0500 (EST) > >From: Green Party of the United States > >Reply-To: scotty at gp.org > >Subject: The Winter 2009 issue of Green Pages is now available for on-line > >? reading. > > > >Back > >to GP.org > > > > > >Green Party > > > > > >The Winter 2009 issue of Green Pages is now available for on-line reading. > > > >Our first electronic-only edition contains many improvements, > >including the use of video, color photos, one article available in > >English and Spanish. We're now located directly on the gp.org server > >and feature a newly designed masthead. Unlike the previous print > >editions, you'll be able to post comments directly into the blog. > > > >This issue includes a feature article by Wendy Thompson, a long time > >Green and former UAW local president about a recent caravan of labor > >activists who drove from Detroit to DC to bring their message to a > >national audience. > > > >In Elections you'll find two important articles detailing the paths > >that state parties in Arkansas and Illinois have followed for > >growing the party. > > > >The Opinion Section contains an article, in english and spanish, > >about statehood for Puerto Rico. > > > >Finally, this issue brings what we hope will be the first of many > >articles by Young Greens. > > > >The 4 page PDF is being finalized and will be uploaded over the weekend. > > > >Read, Comment, Circulate. > > > > > >The Green Pages Editorial Staff > > > >Winter 2009 > > > > > >Table of Contents > > > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/ > > > >Features > > > >Giving Bush the Boot! > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=1006 > > > > > >When natural gas drilling comes to your town > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=1003 > > > > > >The Fight for Self-Government in Topsham > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=1000 > > > > > >McKinney speaks out for Gaza at massive rally > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=996 > > > > > >Auto caravan voices grievances of union autoworkers > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=992 > > > > > >In memory of a prominent man in political history > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=988 > > > > > >Spotlight on a founding member > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=984 > > > >Elections > > > >Highlights from all U.S. Green Fall 2008 election results > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=977 > > > > > >Malik Rahim > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=972 > > > > > >Vigorous Green growth in Arkansas > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=969 > > > > > >Green Party of Arkansas Election Highlights > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=963 > > > > > >Lessons from the success of the Illinois Green Party > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=955 > > > > > >Highlights of Illinois Green Party November 2008 election > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=953 > > > > > >Greens in Maine make strides on Election Day > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=947 > > > > > >Five mystery candidates in Florida - Part II > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=939 > > > > > >Pennsylvania Ballot Access Coalition > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=932 > > > >World > > > >Greens win highest percentage ever in a German state election > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=894 > > > > > >In memory of Arne Naess, founder of Deep Ecology > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=877 > > > > > >Green Party of Canada reaches new heights in 2008 Federal Election > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=908 > > > > > >Presentations on U.S. elections to the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=917 > > > >Opinion > > > >Main Street Must Become Green Street Too! > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=868 > > > > > >Divestment in Israel campaign > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=850 > > > > > >Statehood a viable idea for Puerto Rico? > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=828 > > > >Es la estadidad viable para Puerto Rico? > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=823 > > > >Now that he's won . . . > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=820 > > > >Letter to the Editor > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=815 > > > >"I feel like I speak from a very "Green" perspective for lack of > >another way to put it. This is why I feel on good grounds to offer a > >little criticism and concern on my part for the U.S. Green Party." > > > >Young Greens > > > >A voice left out > > > >Reflections on an Obama election > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=924 > > > >State Reports > > > >http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=1011 > > > >------------------- > > > >If you're a Facebook user, take a minute to join the Green Pages > >Facebook Group: > >http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=39478521558 > > > >Email: office at gp.org > >Office: PO Box 57065 Washington, D.C. 20037 202-319-7191 or > >toll-free (US): 866-41GREEN > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 1e9e5ea.jpg > Type: application/octet-stream > Size: 25342 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/private/gplac-forum/attachments/20090226/3cf330ed/attachment.obj > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > GPLAC-Forum mailing list > GPLAC-Forum at lists.cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gplac-forum > > > End of GPLAC-Forum Digest, Vol 40, Issue 73 > ******************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Fri Feb 27 11:24:13 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Report on the American Citizens Summit References: Message-ID: <789431.23971.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Carol, Wow! I'm so glad I gave blood this morning so I have to refrain from a lot of my usual running around. It gave me a chance to read and appreciate your report on the Citizens Summit. Thank you for your thoroughness. I wish you would put that voting thing that you discussed at the CC meeting on the agenda for the general meeting. The ideas you quoted from Peggy Holman reminded me of? "Mother Yacoub's Crabby Theory of History", which basically says that happy people don't need to change and will actually resist change. Change is the child of need and dissatisfaction, so if all human needs were met--everyone were adequately compensated for doing satisfying work, health care were not an issue, hunger and exploitation were eliminated--creativity would dry up and blow away. Given that, our current situation should foster a supernova of? creativity. Polarization is not necessarily real. The appearance of polarization is a result of media efforts to "simplify" things and to dramatize differences--like red and blue states on election maps. The whole state is painted red or blue, no matter the size of the majority or plurality. The consequences of these media efforts are real, directing where candidates will go and money will be spent, so the media actually encourage polarization. I hope our member with the knowledge of how to beat the media will help us to get our messages out there. If diversity in participation in the conference was desired, why wasn't there a scholarship fund? Anyway, thanks for a lot of food for thought. Caroline ________________________________ From: Carol Brouillet To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:00:41 PM Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Report on the American Citizens Summit Posted with Links and photos at- http://communitycurrency.org/transpartisan.html . Here's the text version- "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Abraham Lincoln ???????? From February 11th to 15th , 2009, at the American Citizens? Summit in Denver, people from across the political spectrum gathered to speak and identify priorities demanding attention at a time of converging global crises. Processes included meeting in circles, listening, open space, and innovative feedback technologies that allowed everyone to vote on issues, ideas, and positions--anonymously and instantly--and to reflect the information to the group. ???????? An interim Sunshine Cabinet--including Cynthia McKinney (2008- Green Party candidate for President), Congressman Ron Paul, Grover Norquist, Liberty Coalition co-founder Michael Ostrolenk, Barbara Marx Hubbard, humorist Steve Bhaerman and Committee for a Unified Independent Party director Jackie Salit--spoke about their top priorities. They included transparency, dismantling the national security state, a non-interventionist foreign policy, peace, justice, dignity, promoting liberty, following the Constitution, creating a Peace Room, and addressing the collapse of the economic system by creating a local/global sustainable economy that values solar energy, food, human invention and love. ???????? The history and evolution of the Transpartisan Movement was mapped. Processes, some of which were developed from high school classroom ground rules and from rules adopted at the first Bipartisan Congressional Retreat, were explained. Spiral Dynamics allowed everyone to understand a framework to help people consciously transcend the limits of bipartisan thinking. People were encouraged to leave their egos at the door and to be open to all points of view, deeper truths, and surprising synergies, so they could create space in which ideas or solutions drawn from the collective wisdom of a diverse group of people could emerge. ???????? Mark Gerzon, a pioneer in the movement, candidly admitted that the Stimulus Bill (which President Obama publicly signed into law February 18th, 2009, in Denver), was a result of bipartisan thinking and give and take, creating ammunition for future arguments and battles between Republicans and Democrats. A genuine effort to rationally examine measurable effects of past efforts to improve the lives of individuals, communities, and regions--to meet people?s needs and ameliorate economic conditions--was thwarted by Congress. ???????? The Stimulus Bill is basically window dressing that does not begin to tackle the deeper systemic problems or the most urgent immediate needs of the people at a time of uncertainty and crisis; it is window dressing that promotes the ?idea? that the government is ?trying to do something? and is on top of the situation--which is an illusion, like the bubble wealth creation of the financial sector that has burst. Throwing money at the speculators? black hole of astronomical debt will only reward and enrich the banksters and transfer an unpayable debt from them onto the shoulders of taxpayers. Rescuing banks has never served or helped the plight of populations who have seen their homes, savings, and businesses stolen from them by predators who already have the most wealth. ???????? With so many systems failing, prescribing ?more of the same medicine? does not inspire confidence. Pronouncements from the World Economic Forum and the White House try to convince us that the government and corporate structures that have dominated the past several decades are going to offer genuine solutions. These government and corporate structures are a large part of what has created the problem in the first place. The current policies might maintain the veneer of structural integrity, but beneath the surface explosives are going off, destroying huge swaths of infrastructure--key columns, as happened in the controlled demolition of World Trade Center 7. The fall time is predicted by the laws of physics, so that those in the know can exit and profit as they watch from a distance--and calculate how to profit even more from the insurance money that they?ll use to build the next bubble economy. ???????? Facilitator Peggy Holman, author of The Change Handbook, wrote: ?Systems call forth different aspects of intelligence, as needed. When everything is working fine, people who have answers are rewarded and the pioneers and questioners are pushed to the fringe. When shifts begin to happen rapidly and systems begin failing, smart people and institutions start pulling in those who are effective at challenging the status quo and asking and pursuing powerful questions. What was fringe becomes central?? > ???????? In creating room for dialogue and compassionate listening, respect for diverse points of view, awareness of the ?triggers? that push our buttons and how to overcome reactions and ?stay present,? the Citizens? Summit created a space for surprising insights, ideas, synergies, and solutions to emerge in powerful ways. ???????? The Citizens? Summit identified the values we held in common: the top ones were respect, listening, integrity, transparency, taking action, building trust, compassion, and love. Joseph McCormick, primary organizer of the Citizens? Summit and co-founder of Reuniting America, deliberately chose the bicentennial of Abraham Lincoln?s birthday as the date of the conference to draw together people with the "courage to cooperate" across traditional ideological barriers. He voiced his concern about the increasing polarization taking place within the country. He showed a map delineating Republican and Democrat counties in 2006 and 2008 that highlighted how the red areas were becoming redder and the blue areas bluer, with very little purple. ???????? Michael Andregg, in his book On the Causes of War, explains that wars arise when there are two distinct narratives to explain ?a common event.? Pitting right against left allows the top to control the bottom. The summit was an attempt to bring people from across the political landscape together, and we all experienced the challenges of this attempt. For example, the processes were too ?communistic or touchy/feely? for some participants who came to advocate their particular issues. There were some very passionate advocates for radical reforms, but some of them had learned over decades that the best way to persuade people about these issues involved the softer approach of compassionate listening and thoughtful, honest, deliberative dialogue. ???????? There seemed to be many ?leaders, authors, presidents, politicians, and founders of various organizations? at the summit, and few ?followers.? There was a healthy gender balance but a distinct lack of ethnic and income diversity. The registration fee to attend the summit and the hotel costs were beyond the price range of struggling activists and those who have to ?earn a living.? The organizers had approached the conference with a strong vision and had gone out on a limb to try to pull off a conference in the middle of February in Colorado. A poster session focused on endowing the Transpartisan Alliance, paying off the debt, and advancing the work. ???????? I was drawn to the summit when I learned that Cynthia McKinney and David Ray Griffin were invited speakers. I had hopes that the issues that I have worked on for years would be addressed and I was intrigued to try the new processes. The Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance voted to sponsor a booth at the summit and send Ken Jenkins, Richard Gage, and me as delegates. Fran Shure of Colorado 911 Truth Visibility offered to host us and help us with a 9/11 Truth booth. Jennifer Parisi, also active with Colorado 911 Truth Visibility helped at our booth. Jonathan Elinoff brought his laptop and shared excerpts from his new film "Core of Corruption? which includes dramatic new footage on 9/11. We are Change Colorado had a booth. In addition to attending the summit, Richard Gage, AIA, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, spoke at a local bookstore to a full house, which also drew people from the summit. Even though our poster sessions on 9/11 Truth were lightly attended, when polled over 70% of the participants on Sunday indicated that they believed the US government either allowed 9/11 to happen or made it happen. ???????? Evan Ravitz, activist and webmaster of www.vote.org, who is a passionate advocate for national ballot initiatives, offered us an idea to improve our outreach to the public. Observing the popularity of the homemade cookies that we gave away at our booth as well as at some of the poster sessions, he suggested making a large banner saying ?9/11 Truth and Cookies? and using that name to create yet another 9/11 Truth group, with perhaps greater appeal than the many Architects and Engineers, Pilots, Medical Professionals, Veterans, Fire Fighters, Scholars? for 9/11 Truth groups. He also suggested putting the cookie recipes on the website. ???????? As publisher of the Deception Dollars, I had been planning to print a new bill that would be an evolution of the ?Conception Dollar? published in August 2007 that pointed towards solutions. While attending the summit I volunteered to publish a ?Perception Dollar,? or ?Transpartisan Dollar,? in collaboration with others at the summit, to further the Transpartisan Movement and identify the values, processes, and solutions that citizens were coming up with in response to the massive problems generated by corporations, militarism, and the corruption and abuse of power so prevalent in the institutions that seek to dominate our country and the world. ???????? Frankly, I?m not sure what the next step will be for those of us who came to the summit, were transformed, and have committed to work together during this time of crisis. I was surprised to learn that Obama chose to sign the Stimulus Bill in Denver, in the wake of the citizens? summit. Obama was elected because people wanted ?change,? but he has surrounded himself with those who engineered the economic crisis. Obama and Congress have supported the bailout and permitted the largest transference of wealth in history and the biggest financial crime ever. ???????? Prior to 9/11, my main issue--after I became aware of the extremely destructive nature of the debt-based monetary system--was money/monetary reform, or global economics (the global power structure). Although I had inherited some wealth, after I realized what was behind our monetary system I literally gave away all my money in the 90?s to change the system, to promote local currencies, and to educate people about money--a major blind spot of civilization. I had been expecting a financial collapse for a long time and felt that the system held up only due to the smoke and mirrors of the mainstream media--which hid the criminal fraud of the system itself and of the most powerful players on the world stage--as well as due to the lack of an ?alternative system.? I realized that to change the monetary system required changing the belief system of Americans and the world. ???????? In some ways, 9/11 created a unique opportunity to expose ?the curtain? and ?those behind the curtain? who create ?events? or ?psychological operations--black operations--terrorist attacks? to manipulate public opinion and trick populations into supporting wars and allowing the construction of a police state.... Despite the powerful psychological obstacles to looking at the facts about 9/11, it turned out to be easier to help people understand the events of 9/11 than to educate them about how money is created and how global economics works. (An excellent resource on both issues is Michel Chossudovsky?s website, www.globalresearch.ca.) ???????? At a poster session on ?Transpartisan Economics? there was a very friendly, respectful discussion regarding numerous approaches to tax reform, land reform, and monetary reform, which recognized that there is no silver bullet solution to quickly solve and retool our economic system. Wendell Fitzgerald, president of the Henry George School of San Francisco (www.henrygeorgesf.org), and Steven Shafarman, author of Peaceful, Positive Revolution: Economic Security for Every American, advocated for a guaranteed basic income, together with tax and monetary reformists, agreed that we need ?an honest, above-board participatory economic system valuing community in the creation of money, land value and tax policy to serve our individual and common needs, creating income security for all, and not passing down debt and loss to the final consumer or future inhabitant.? ???????? Last September, when the financial crisis made headlines and the bailout was proposed, a huge majority of people suddenly could see that they were being ripped off and that the crooks who were most responsible were being rewarded. The time for monetary reform is ripe. Knowing the importance of this issue, I actually tried to get those advocating monetary reform to attend the Citizens? Summit--including Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who last October introduced H. R. 7260 (Transparency in the Creation of Wealth Act of 2008), which demanded transparency in the Federal Reserve; Stephen Zarlenga, founder of The American Monetary Institute and author of The Lost Science of Money: The Mythology of Money, The Story of Power; and Richard Cook, author of We Hold These Truths: The Hope of Monetary Reform. ???????? Congressman Ron Paul, who also proposed legislation to ?end the Federal Reserve,? did not speak directly about the issue at the summit, but indirectly and more broadly suggested that we promote liberty as a unifier, as well as honoring the Constitution. His supporters were passionately advocating a return to silver and gold backed currency. I took the workshop on ?overcoming triggers? just so that I could dialogue with the hard money advocates without immediately falling into debate mode. At the circles addressing economics issues, we realized that most of the work we had to do was in the realm of public education--overcoming myths that entrench a dysfunctional system that maintains and exacerbates the disparities between the rich and the poor and decimates the middle class. ???????? These are the top issues that emerged from the collective whole, framed as questions: How do we give everyone access to affordable, quality healthcare? How do we create a system for quality education that respects the individual, encourages the desire to learn, and develops critical thinking skills? How do we achieve transparency in all government transactions including taxes and the Federal Reserve? How do we develop an alternative energy economy that provides jobs, protects our environment and creates energy independence? Enhancing local role in decision making: How do we deepen the quality of engagement between Americans and their government? All people are authentically engaged in the creation of all public decisions and policy. America's government is termed a Republic: How do we achieve a truly representative Republic - a truly representative Democracy? How do we create economic policies that provide the basic needs and opportunities for every American? How do we create healthy, safe, vital, sustainable local communities? ???????? Establishing common ground and trust in shared values and goals seemed to be the first step in working together through the more gnarled strategies and steps necessary to realize them. On the first day, a long presentation on spiral dynamics looked at the evolution of thought processes and how increasingly complex problems and crises demand new ways of thinking--first for tribes, then nations, and finally for civilizations to adapt and survive. Many have not survived. ???????? Sometimes the most personal stories are the most universal, when someone has the courage to bare their soul, removing whatever fa?ade they might wear to protect themselves, and exposing their weaknesses, their vulnerabilities, their heart. The revelations we offer one another--and the sensitive listening, reciprocity, and respect--are the essential first steps toward developing trust and overcoming stereotypes and prejudice based on appearances. ???????? I was surprised at the summit by the revelations I heard. I was also told directly by several people that Ken, Richard, Fran, Jennifer and I broke ?the crazy conspiracy theorist? stereotype for people who otherwise would not have doubted or questioned the official 9/11 story. ???????? My own natural ?mistrust? of elected officials was challenged when I learned that one of the wealthier men in Congress actually sponsored the attendance at the summit of my activist friend Evan Ravitz. During a hike after the summit, Evan told me about Jared Polis, a freshman Congressman from Colorado who used his entrepreneurial and Internet skills in his college days to help his family make a fortune with their greeting card company. Jared devoted much of his personal fortune to passing good legislation, improving education in Colorado, and serving the greater good. ???????? Mark Twain wrote: ??????? ?It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native criminal class except Congress.? ???????? I agree with Twain for the most part. I am embarrassed to even admit that I ran for Congress twice. (I usually add that I ran because Congress was behaving treasonably by not defending the Constitution and by not impeaching Bush and Cheney, who I considered the greatest threats to our nation and the world. I also knew, as a Green Party candidate, that my chances of winning were almost nil, but running allowed me to speak publicly about taboo issues). However, I have also met those with great courage and integrity who were in Congress and lost their seats because they posed a threat to the status quo. And under tremendous pressure, a few, including Representatives Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, continue to speak up and champion the people?s interest over corporate interests. ???????? 9/11 truth and the monetary crisis were transpartisan issues in the sense that they transcended the limited political boxes, or hats that people wore, drawing people from across the political spectrum to question the invisible agreements and assumptions that permeate civic life and the possibility that those could and should be changed. ???????? On the last day of the conference, we were asked to stand where we felt we were in relation to the Transpartisan Alliance--anywhere from the center to the edge. Except for getting up from my chair, I didn?t move, because I could see how I could incorporate the good ideas into my work and help promote them, and at the same time try to balance my life and continue to work on the issues that I cared about passionately. However, in the last round of stating our commitments to the group, I found myself teamed up with Robert Steele, an ex-intelligence professional (can one actually retire from the CIA?) who has strongly advocated open source public intelligence available to all, promoting the idea of Collective Intelligence--inspired by one of my mentors and friends, Tom Atlee of the Co-Intelligence Institute. I subsequently found myself on the funding committee. ???????? In an era when the volume of information is exploding, knowledgeable processing of that information can?t keep up, and genuine wisdom is rare and speaks so softly that it is hard to discern from the cacophony, my deepest concerns are over technology. On one hand, technology is incredibly empowering and enables us to communicate without the traditional gatekeepers of the mainstream media; on the other hand, technology can be abused and has a history of being used to serve elite interests and maintain their control over the planet. I struggle to process more than I can possibly disseminate and share in words or through art and actions, while balancing the demands of my family, my colleagues, and the world. ???????? I have a heartfelt desire that we move from the paradigm of fear toward one of courage, love, respect, and cooperation. My hope is that we can transition from the ?love of power to the power of love,? and my fear is that every technological trick in the book will be used to deceive, frighten, and fragment people to maintain the dying empire. How can we nurture new, transparent, life serving, decentralized, local, state, national, international Transpartisan efforts to identify and solve the real problems that we face? Can we draw from the collective wisdom of the diverse many with direct knowledge and experience in the real world whose voices, concerns and insights need to be heard? Do we need technology to do it? Can we do it through face to face meetings? Like money, will technology tyrannize humanity? Or can we use it, as we might use an enlightened monetary system, to serve human needs? I don?t know all the answers, but now more than ever, we need to raise questions and come up with new ways to solve our problems. Matching processes with purpose seems like the right place to start. By Carol Brouillet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Fri Feb 27 12:07:23 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:07:23 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] A great video from SJSU Earth Day last year Message-ID: <49A847FB.6040007@aceweb.com> Aime Frisch sent me this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9PwoM0kWpg&feature=channel_page > > > Don't know if you have seen this, thought I would pass it along. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9PwoM0kWpg&feature=channel_page > pg&feature=channel_page> -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added my perception of Obama's speech and the R response. From JamBoi at Greens.org Fri Feb 27 13:33:17 2009 From: JamBoi at Greens.org (Drew Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:33:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Register Green NOW if you want to run for partisan office (was Re: Fw: GPLAC-Forum Digest, Vol 40, Issue 73: Register ro Vote Date for 2010 Candidates; Single Payer; Recession News; Green Pages In-Reply-To: <431324.61335.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <431324.61335.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2499.76.126.236.53.1235770397.squirrel@greens.org> Clarification: That is only the deadline to register Green if you're planning to run for partisan office in 2010. In other words a person who is already registered Green (ie. is a Green Party member already) there is a much later deadline -- something like Feb of 2010... Its just the recent converts who need to be concerned about this. The bottom line is if anyone wants to participate in the Green Party they need to actually join the party and the all-important unavoidable step to doing that is registering to vote as a Green Party. All you need to do is drop by a post office or the Registrar of voters and fill out and turn in a voter registration form. If you've moved, do it again. If you have any doubt that you've done it, do it again. Green is Registered! Drew On Fri, February 27, 2009 07:40, Caroline Yacoub wrote: > Notice the date to register a 2010 candidate is March 11. > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Shane Que Hee > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:25:24 PM > Subject: GPLAC-Forum Digest, Vol 40, Issue 73: Register ro Vote Date for > 2010 Candidates; Single Payer; Recession News; Green Pages > > >> From: gplac-forum-request at lists.cagreens.org >> Subject: GPLAC-Forum Digest, Vol 40, Issue 73 >> To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org >> Reply-To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:10:56 -0800 >> >> List-Id: Green Party of Los Angeles County Discussion Forum >>? ? ? ? >> List-Unsubscribe: >> , >>? ? ? ? >> >> List-Archive: >> List-Post: >> List-Help: >> List-Subscribe: >> , >>? ? ? ? >> Sender: gplac-forum-bounces at lists.cagreens.org >> >> >> Send GPLAC-Forum mailing list submissions to >>? ? ? ? gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>? ? ? ? http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gplac-forum >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>? ? ? ? gplac-forum-request at lists.cagreens.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>? ? ? ? gplac-forum-owner at lists.cagreens.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of GPLAC-Forum digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>? ? 1. March 11th Deadline to Register Green or Decline to State to >>? ? ? run for Partisan Office in 2010 (Shane Que Hee) >>? ? 2. Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz on single payer (Shane Que Hee) >>? ? 3. Crash talk: recession news missing from most media coverage >>? ? ? (ProRev.com) (Shane Que Hee) >>? ? 4. The Winter 2009 issue of Green Pages is now available for >>? ? ? on-line reading. (Shane Que Hee) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:37:48 -0800 >> From: Shane Que Hee >> Subject: [GPLAC-Forum] March 11th Deadline to Register Green or >>? ? ? ? Decline to State to run for Partisan Office in 2010 >> To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org >> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090226143702.046cbc30 at mail.ucla.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> >> >> >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:07:27 -0800 >> >From: Mike Feinstein >> >Subject: March 11th Deadline to Register Green or Decline to >> >? State to run for Partisan Office in 2010 >> > >> >http://la.indymedia.org/news/2009/02/224993.php >> > >> >Are you thinking of running for partisan office in California in 2010? >> > >> >1) To Run as a Green for Partisan Office in 2010, one must either be >> >registered Green or 'decline to state' by March 11th, 2009 [EC >> 8001(a)(2)] >> > >> >and then if registered 'decline to state' by March 11th, 2009, then >> >registered Green no later than December 11th, 2009 [EC 8001(a)(2)]. >> > >> >Registration must either be post-marked by March 11th be no later as >> the >> >date of affidavit. >> > >> >2) The partisan offices up in 2010 are: >> > >> >80 State Assembly >> >http://www.legislature.ca.gov/legislators_and_districts/districts/a >> ssemblydistricts.html >> >http://www.assembly.ca.gov/clerk/MEMBERINFORMATION/memberdir_1.asp >> > >> >20 State Senate >> >http://www.legislature.ca.gov/legislators_and_districts/districts/s >> enatedistricts.html >> >http://www.sen.ca.gov/ftp/SEN/senplan/senate.htp >> >http://www.senate.ca.gov/~newsen/senators/senators.htp >> > >> >52 Congressional Seats >> >http://www.alllaw.com/state_resources/california/congressional_delegation/ >> >http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/images/pdf/congdist/pagecgd110_ca.pdf >> >http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/congress.html#ca >> > >> >11 State Constitutional Offices >> >Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Secretary of State, Controller, >> >Treasurer, Attorney General, the Superintendent of Public Instruction >> >and four Board of Equalization districts >> > >> >To get a sense of the deadlines, requirements and fees for these >> >races, here are helpful links from the 2008 election cycle: >> > >> >http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_calendar2008.htm >> >http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_cand.htm >> >http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_runningforoffice_08.htm >> > >> >For the platform of the Green Party of California, see >> > >> >http://www.cagreens.org/platform/ >> > >> >If you are thinking of running as a Green in 2010 and are in LA County, >> >contact gplac-info at cagreens.org >> > >> >If you are thinking of running as a Green in 2010 and are outside of LA >> >County, contact the Greens Campaigns & Candidates coordinator Warner >> >Bloomberg at wsb3attyca at aol.com >> > >> >For more about the deadlines to be registered Green, see this section >> of >> >the California Election Code: >> > >> >http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=elec&group=07 >> 001-08000&file=8000-8004 >> > >> >Please forward to others who you think might be interested. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:39:42 -0800 >> From: Shane Que Hee >> Subject: [GPLAC-Forum] Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz on single payer >> To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org >> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090226143853.046c8c30 at mail.ucla.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed >> >> >> >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:34:43 -0800 >> >From: Don McCanne >> >Subject: qotd: Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz on single payer >> > >> >Democracy Now! >> >February 25, 2009 >> >Nobel Prize-Winning Economist Joseph Stiglitz >> > >> >We get reaction to President Obama?s speech from >> >Nobel economics laureate and former World Bank >> >chief economist, Joseph Stiglitz. >> > >> >Amy Goodman:? And healthcare? He?s called for >> >universal healthcare, but he does not call for single-payer healthcare. >> > >> >Joseph Stiglitz:? I think that there are some >> >fundamental problems in the efficiency of our >> >healthcare system. And what we?ve seen is that >> >the private healthcare insurers do not know how to deliver an efficient >> way. >> > >> >Amy Goodman:? Do you support single-payer healthcare? >> > >> >Joseph Stiglitz:? I think I?ve reluctantly come >> >to the view that it?s the only alternative. You >> >know, we?ve tried a lot of other things. And >> >we?ve been ? you know, I was in the Clinton >> >administration, and we debated a lot of >> >alternatives, and I?ve watched things as they?ve >> >emerged and, you know, evolved over the last >> >twelve, sixteen years, and I think there?s a >> >growing consensus that the private market exclusion is not going to >> work. >> > >> >Amy Goodman:? Joe Stiglitz, I want to thank you >> >for being with us, the Nobel Prize-winning >> >economist, professor at Columbia University, >> >co-author of The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq >> Conflict. >> > >> >These are the closing comments in this 28 minute video, audio and >> transcript: >> >http://www.democra >> cynow.org/2009/2/25/stieglitz >> > >> > >> >Comment:? What does Joseph Stiglitz have to say? >> > >> >That's a question we ask when we are faced with >> >difficult issues such as the current financial >> >crisis, and what we should do about the troubled >> >banks. To our benefit, Amy Goodman did ask him, >> >and we learn what he has to say. >> > >> >At the end of the interview, Amy Goodman tacked >> >on this crucial question regarding our health care crisis. Single >> payer? >> > >> >Joseph Stiglitz's response must be shared with >> >the nation, and especially with those in >> >Washington who say that single payer is not >> >feasible. We should inundate Washington with his >> >statement that single payer is "the only alternative." >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:47:19 -0800 >> From: Shane Que Hee >> Subject: [GPLAC-Forum] Crash talk: recession news missing from most >>? ? ? ? media coverage (ProRev.com) >> To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org >> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090226144647.046cac30 at mail.ucla.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> >> >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:12:16 -0800 (PST) >> >From: Scott McLarty >> >Reply-To: scottmclarty at yahoo.com >> >Subject: Crash talk: recession news missing from most media coverage >> >(ProRev.com) >> > >> > >> >UNDERNEWS >> >The news while there's still time to do something about it >> >THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW >> >Editor: Sam Smith >> >REVIEW INDEX http://prorev.com >> >UNDERNEWS http://prorev.com/indexa.htm >> >23 February 2009 >> > >> > >> >CRASH TALK >> > >> >Telegraph, UK >> >(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/47 >> 84934/Police-bracing-themselves-for-summer-of-rage-against-economic-crisis.html) >> >- Metropolitan Police Superintendent David Hartshorn has said police >> >are bracing themselves for a "summer of rage" against the economic >> >crisis. Supt Hartshorn, who heads the Metropolitan Police's public >> >order branch, said he feared there could be "mass protest" at rising >> >unemployment, failing financial institutions and the downturn in the >> >economy. . . Up to 120,000 people marched through Dublin on Saturday >> >in an emotional and angry national demonstration over the Irish >> >Government's handling of the economic crisis. In the UK earlier this >> >month, hundreds of oil refinery and power station workers carried >> >out a series of wildcat strikes over the use of foreign workers. And >> >across the Channel in France, a million people joined demonstrations >> >to demand greater protection for jobs. >> > >> > >> >Pro Publica - The money in the stimulus bill slated for >> >transportation and infrastructure--a touch under $100 billion--is >> >likely to be one of the stimulus' biggest job-generators. But we >> >crunched the numbers and found that states with high unemployment >> >are actually getting less money per-capita or even per-unemployed >> >worker than states with low unemployment. Details >> >http://www.propublica.org/special/stimulus-unemployment-chart-and-map >> > >> > >> >Sam Stein, Huffington Post (http://snipurl.com/cgxk1) - Appearing on >> >ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Gov. Arnold >> >Schwarzenegger giddily embraced the idea that more money would be >> >available for California should his GOP colleagues -- like Govs. >> >Mark Sanford of South Carolina and Bobby Jindal of Louisiana -- >> >refuse stimulus funds. "Well, Governor Sanford says that he does not >> >want to take the federal stimulus package money. And I'll say to >> >him, I'll take it," Schwarzenegger said. "I'm more than happy to >> >take his money or any other governor in this country that doesn't >> >want to take this money. I'll take it, because we in California need >> it." >> > >> >U.S. District Judge Richard Holwell has told the Treasury Department >> >it has until March 23 to give Fox Business Network information on >> >how it has spent its bailout money. >> > >> > >> >Robert Reich (http://robertreich.blogspot.com) - While it's true >> >that the New Deal didn't end the Great Depression, three points need >> >to be impressed on the hard-pressed conservative mind: >> > >> >1. The New Deal relieved a great deal of suffering by establishing >> >social safety nets -- Unemployment Insurance, Aid for Dependent >> >Children, and Social Security for retirees. . . >> > >> >2. FDR's public works spending did help the economy somewhat. By >> >1936, U.S. the economy was showing some life. Unemployment was >> >declining and consumers were beginning to buy. But FDR cut back on >> >public-works spending, and the economy sank back into its former >> >torpor. A warning to Obama: Don't worry about so-called "fiscal >> >responsibility" when aggregate demand still falls far short of the >> >economy's total capacity. >> > >> >3. The Second World War pulled the nation out of the Great >> >Depression because it required that government spend on such a huge >> >scale as to restart the nation's factories, put Americans back to >> >work, and push the nation toward its productive capacty. By the end >> >of the war, most Americans were better off than they were before its >> >start. Yes, the national debt ballooned to 120 percent of GDP. But >> >the debt-GDP ratio subsequently declined -- not just because >> >post-war spending dropped but because the economy continued to grow >> >as war production converted to the production of consumer goods. >> >Lesson: The danger isn't too much stimulus, it's too little stimulus. >> > >> > >> >Mark LeVine, Al Jazeera >> >(http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/outofwork/2009/02/2009217123294 >> 91425.html) >> >- The roots of this crisis can be traced back to the economic >> >policies of the 1980s. For a generation the growth of the US economy >> >has been disproportionately driven by the availability of cheap >> >consumer goods and investment credit. This system, which peaked with >> >the rise of the securitization of highly risky sub-prime mortgages >> >in the last few years, enabled an investment system to emerge in >> >which the debt to equity ratio was an outstanding, and totally >> >unsustainable, 100 to one. >> > >> >As Nouriel Roubini, a New York University economist who was among >> >the first to predict the collapse we are now experiencing, explains >> >it, the largely unregulated debt system created a "credit chain". >> > >> >This debt-to-equity ratio was so unstable that even a one per cent >> >fall in the price of the final investment at the end of the chain >> >"wipes out the initial capital and creates a chain of margin calls >> >that unravel this debt house of cards". >> > >> >The world economy similarly depended on a growth formula based on a >> >debt-equity ratio of five to one. This means that in order for >> >countries to maintain real GDP growth of two to three per cent, >> >available credit would have to expand by 10 to 15 per cent. . . >> > >> >So far, the Obama administration has sought to inject enough money >> >into the US economy to ease up the restrictions on credit and >> >stimulate the economy through tax breaks and infrastructure programmes. >> > >> >What few Americans, politicians and ordinary citizens alike, have >> >thought to consider is whether the financial system that the new >> >administration is trying to rescue - essentially, the "American way >> >of Life" - should even be saved. . . >> > >> >Obama's biggest challenge will be to figure out how to create >> >millions of jobs while steering the US economy away from the >> >economically and environmentally unsustainable model of growth that >> >helped generate the present crisis. >> > >> >To do this will require more than spending hundreds of billions of >> >dollars on rebuilding crumbling infrastructure and encouraging >> >"green" technologies. >> > >> >It will require designing an architecture for a 21st century economy >> >that much more equitably distributes limited resources among an >> >expanding population than has the debt/consumption system that is >> >now collapsing globally. >> > >> > >> >Chris Bryant, Financial Times >> >(http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a896e59e-011f-11de-8f6e-000077b07658.htm >> l?nclick_check=1) >> >- European leaders on Sunday outlined sweeping proposals to regulate >> >financial markets and hedge funds and clamp down on tax havens as >> >they sought a common position to combat the global economic crisis. >> >. . In a joint statement, they endorsed a plan to create a >> >comprehensive regulatory framework that covers "all financial >> >markets, products and participants - including hedge funds and other >> >private pools of capital which may pose a systemic risk". >> > >> > >> >Forbes >> >(http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=6914381&page=1) - >> >Las Vegas edged Detroit for the title of America's most abandoned >> >city. Atlanta came in third, followed by Greensboro, N.C., and >> >Dayton, Ohio. Our rankings, a combination of rental and homeowner >> >vacancy rates for the 75 largest metropolitan statistical areas in >> >the country, are based on fourth-quarter data by the Census Bureau. >> >Each was ranked on rental vacancies and housing vacancies; the final >> >ranking is an average of the two. . . Boston and New York are among >> >the lone bright spots, while Honolulu is the nation's best with a >> >vacancy rate of 5.8 percent for homes and a scant 0.5 percent for >> rentals. >> > >> > >> >HOW WALL STREET WILL KEEP THE RIP-OFFS GOING >> >http://www.alternet.org/workplace/128241 >> > >> >COMMODITY MARKET PONZI SCHEMES ON THE RISE >> >http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sat-ponzis-feb21,0,1869551.story >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:12:33 -0800 >> From: Shane Que Hee >> Subject: [GPLAC-Forum] The Winter 2009 issue of Green Pages is now >>? ? ? ? available for on-line reading. >> To: gplac-forum at lists.cagreens.org >> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20090226211151.046b5180 at mail.ucla.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:05:08 -0500 (EST) >> >From: Green Party of the United States >> >Reply-To: scotty at gp.org >> >Subject: The Winter 2009 issue of Green Pages is now available for >> on-line >> >? reading. >> > >> >> QrT55pogYGKt7r1pfg>Back >> >to GP.org >> > >> >> F8V8dvO3%2FAYGKt7r1pfg> >> >Green Party >> > >> > >> >The Winter 2009 issue of Green Pages is now available for on-line >> reading. >> > >> >Our first electronic-only edition contains many improvements, >> >including the use of video, color photos, one article available in >> >English and Spanish. We're now located directly on the gp.org server >> >and feature a newly designed masthead. Unlike the previous print >> >editions, you'll be able to post comments directly into the blog. >> > >> >This issue includes a feature article by Wendy Thompson, a long time >> >Green and former UAW local president about a recent caravan of labor >> >activists who drove from Detroit to DC to bring their message to a >> >national audience. >> > >> >In Elections you'll find two important articles detailing the paths >> >that state parties in Arkansas and Illinois have followed for >> >growing the party. >> > >> >The Opinion Section contains an article, in english and spanish, >> >about statehood for Puerto Rico. >> > >> >Finally, this issue brings what we hope will be the first of many >> >articles by Young Greens. >> > >> >The 4 page PDF is being finalized and will be uploaded over the >> weekend. >> > >> >Read, Comment, Circulate. >> > >> > >> >The Green Pages Editorial Staff >> > >> >Winter 2009 >> > >> > >> >Table of Contents >> > >> >> kMFTapMwYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/ >> > >> >Features >> > >> >Giving Bush the Boot! >> >> BzhxOHzaswYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=1006 >> > >> > >> >When natural gas drilling comes to your town >> >> 0aH6stPWrQYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=1003 >> > >> > >> >The Fight for Self-Government in Topsham >> >> 6fFZSVeAYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=1000 >> > >> > >> >McKinney speaks out for Gaza at massive rally >> >> YETYhF6gYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=996 >> > >> > >> >Auto caravan voices grievances of union autoworkers >> >> 5PRvMzNQYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=992 >> > >> > >> >In memory of a prominent man in political history >> >> ayEbmUzgYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=988 >> > >> > >> >Spotlight on a founding member >> >> au4hohzAYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=984 >> > >> >Elections >> > >> >Highlights from all U.S. Green Fall 2008 election results >> >> qLMDbQOeywYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=977 >> > >> > >> >Malik Rahim >> >> z5kprANwYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=972 >> > >> > >> >Vigorous Green growth in Arkansas >> >> BsvGFvYDnAx0An7UuLPd>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=969 >> > >> > >> >Green Party of Arkansas Election Highlights >> >> hzD0d38DeAYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=963 >> > >> > >> >Lessons from the success of the Illinois Green Party >> >> c2muXPSv%2FAYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=955 >> > >> > >> >Highlights of Illinois Green Party November 2008 election >> >> K3fZFUCgYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=953 >> > >> > >> >Greens in Maine make strides on Election Day >> >> URPF7%2FQAYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=947 >> > >> > >> >Five mystery candidates in Florida - Part II >> >> ViR%2FpZMwYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=939 >> > >> > >> >Pennsylvania Ballot Access Coalition >> >> hJ8QoyTwYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=932 >> > >> >World >> > >> >Greens win highest percentage ever in a German state election >> >> 2BF%2FRyTJTwYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=894 >> > >> > >> >In memory of Arne Naess, founder of Deep Ecology >> >> q6JgyRigYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=877 >> > >> > >> >Green Party of Canada reaches new heights in 2008 Federal Election >> >> dVsEdf7AYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=908 >> > >> > >> >Presentations on U.S. elections to the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly >> >> J0P51lzQYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=917 >> > >> >Opinion >> > >> >Main Street Must Become Green Street Too! >> >> yZb8OZcAYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=868 >> > >> > >> >Divestment in Israel campaign >> >> 2FK7Gnmh6QYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=850 >> > >> > >> >Statehood a viable idea for Puerto Rico? >> >> hFyypx1gYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=828 >> > >> >Es la estadidad viable para Puerto Rico? >> >> BRhArNAiMgYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=823 >> > >> >Now that he's won . . . >> >> %2FXQeEL0gYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=820 >> > >> >Letter to the Editor >> >> LOcCIj4zjgYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=815 >> > >> >"I feel like I speak from a very "Green" perspective for lack of >> >another way to put it. This is why I feel on good grounds to offer a >> >little criticism and concern on my part for the U.S. Green Party." >> > >> >Young Greens >> > >> >A voice left out >> > >> >Reflections on an Obama election >> >> ESJ8t%2FPY6H1IT3747d>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=924 >> > >> >State Reports >> > >> >> v7bwoWeAYGKt7r1pfg>http://gp.org/greenpages-blog/?p=1011 >> > >> >------------------- >> > >> >If you're a Facebook user, take a minute to join the Green Pages >> >Facebook Group: >> >> KQHjVVNv0QYGKt7r1pfg>http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=39478521558 >> > >> >Email: office at gp.org >> >Office: PO Box 57065 Washington, D.C. 20037 202-319-7191 or >> >toll-free (US): 866-41GREEN >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: 1e9e5ea.jpg >> Type: application/octet-stream >> Size: 25342 bytes >> Desc: not available >> Url : >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/private/gplac-forum/attachments/20090226/3cf330ed/attachment.obj >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GPLAC-Forum mailing list >> GPLAC-Forum at lists.cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gplac-forum >> >> >> End of GPLAC-Forum Digest, Vol 40, Issue 73 >> *******************************************_______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From tnharter at aceweb.com Sat Feb 28 00:21:33 2009 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:21:33 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [G-C-F] Water Emergency In-Reply-To: <49A8C665.7070006@charter.net> References: <49A8C665.7070006@charter.net> Message-ID: <49A8F40D.8010400@aceweb.com> I'm wrapping my mind around this "emergency". I'm thinking 911 is emergency*. I'm thinking "the usual reaction to an emergency is the govt takes over." Wouldn't it be nice if that was self government!? Stop voting for water companies at the tap! Stop voting 4 oil companies at the gas pump! Stop voting for PG&E at the light switch! Start voting for fresh fresh fruit, nuts, and vegetables at the farmers market! Funny thing, all of the above have embedded water in the purchase. Except for the electricity which would have more water in it in a normal year. *Except in NZ, where 111 is an emergency. Wes Rolley wrote: > Even with the rains this week, my home town Morgan Hill is still not > close to being up to average rainfall for the year. We are currently > at 10.22 in. in my subdivision compared to a yearly average around 20 > in. That is one location I have no idea how it is with anyone else > because the rainfall has been very spotty around the state. > > The point is that Governor Schwarzenegger has just today declared a > drought emergency. Here is the link to his press release: > http://gov.ca.gov/press-release/11556/ > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added my perception of Obama's speech and the R response. From carolineyacoub at att.net Sat Feb 28 16:18:36 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:18:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] activities Message-ID: <883628.71120.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello there, Greenies! I have been given the task of listing all the tabling (and demonstrating) opportunities coming up. I NEED YOUR HELP! Here's what I have so far: Peace March in San Francisco on March 21 Earth Day--San Jose State, Sunnyvale Library, Farmers' Markets Juneteenth July 4th in downtown San Jose? Labor Day Weekend in downtown San Jose There's got to be more than this! PLEASE let me know about anything you know of where we can fly our colors and rattle our cans. Caroline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolineyacoub at att.net Sat Feb 28 16:50:27 2009 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:50:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [G-C-F] Water Emergency References: <49A8C665.7070006@charter.net> <49A8F40D.8010400@aceweb.com> Message-ID: <576914.45326.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If we could get the government to stop giving water to people who grow cotton and rice, neither of which is a sustainable crop in a desert, there wouldn't BE a water emergency. ________________________________ From: Tian Harter To: Post South SF Bay discus Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:21:33 AM Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] [G-C-F] Water Emergency I'm wrapping my mind around this "emergency". I'm thinking 911 is emergency*. I'm thinking "the usual reaction to an emergency is the govt takes over." Wouldn't it be nice if that was self government!? Stop voting for water companies at the tap! Stop voting 4 oil companies at the gas pump! Stop voting for PG&E at the light switch! Start voting for fresh fresh fruit, nuts, and vegetables at the farmers market! Funny thing, all of the above have embedded water in the purchase. Except for the electricity which would have more water in it in a normal year. *Except in NZ, where 111 is an emergency. Wes Rolley wrote: > Even with the rains this week, my home town Morgan Hill is still not > close to being up to average rainfall for the year.? We? are currently > at 10.22 in. in my subdivision compared to a yearly average around 20 > in. That is one location? I have no idea how it is with anyone else > because the rainfall has been very spotty around the state. > > The point is that Governor Schwarzenegger has just today declared a > drought emergency.? Here is the link to his press release: > http://gov.ca.gov/press-release/11556/ > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added my perception of Obama's speech and the R response. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wrolley at charter.net Sat Feb 28 19:29:25 2009 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:29:25 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [G-C-F] Water Emergency In-Reply-To: <576914.45326.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49A8C665.7070006@charter.net> <49A8F40D.8010400@aceweb.com> <576914.45326.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49AA0115.2080600@charter.net> Caroline Yacoub wrote: > If we could get the government to stop giving water to people who grow > cotton and rice, neither of which is a sustainable crop in a desert, > there wouldn't BE a water emergency. I agree on cotton, not so much on rice. If people want to grow fiber for clothing, hemp is a lot better and uses a lot less water. But, growing rice is mainly n the Sacramento Valley, not the San Joaquin Valley and that is much more favorable. In fact, proper management of the land and water can be one of the best ways to protect both, especially flooding the land in the winter, attracting birds, deterring weeds and getting a large deposit of free fertilizer so less natural gas going to making ammonia. After cotton, the next worse crop is alfalfa. -- "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente Wes Rolley 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037 http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024 From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 28 22:15:08 2009 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:15:08 -0800 Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] agenda item Message-ID: <49AA27EC.1090801@sbcglobal.net> I would like to present the case for long term local projects. 3 - 5 minutes Some of Roy Nordblom's ideas fit the concept. 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