From alexcathy at aol.com  Thu Dec  2 13:18:39 2010
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:18:39 -0500
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] LATimes: 'Brown May Find It's Not Easy Being Green'
Message-ID: <8CD607D9FCBD1D9-1AE4-92E@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com>

Dear Green Friends, 

Election is over.  California Democrats won big.  Now, as predictable as cold and flu in the winter, comes the Establishment shuckin' and jivin' about Jerry Brown's green energy agenda.  

Alex Walker

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = 


Posted on California Greening, December 2, 2010
LATimes: 'Brown May Find It's Not Easy Being Green'
by Alex Walker 

PRINCE EDMUND GERALD BROWN, JR has been elected the next Democratic governor of the great state of California. The long, expensive, insipid, 2010 election is over and so what's the first order of business?  Screw the "tree-huggers" on green jobs for green energy. In a front page story the Los Angeles Times reports the Sacramento crowd is already nervous about green energy.
Published in the Los Angeles Times, December 2, 2010
Brown May Find It's Not Easy Being GreenBy Anthony York

Jerry Brown ran for governor promising to revive the economy through an aggressive expansion of California's green-energy industry ? but that agenda could prove costly to consumers.

Brown wants the state to make major new investments in solar and wind power: building large-scale power plants that run on renewable resources and placing solar panels on parking-lot roofs, school buildings and along the banks of state highways. Although advocates of renewable energy tout the long-term savings of going green, billions of dollars would be required to reach the governor-elect's green-energy goals.

Nobody knows if the program would produce the "more than half a million green jobs" Brown promised during the campaign, but many experts agree that it could lead to sharply higher utility rates.

. . .

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Read More and Comment at:
http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2010/12/latimes-brown-may-find-its-not-easy.html
 


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 15:16:58 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:16:58 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fed's forced disclosure of bailout
Message-ID: <4CF828EA.4040303@earthlink.net>


The Fed has been forced to disclose some info about its
bailout.  (FWIW, another org affiliated with Ron Paul
says this disclurse is inadequate.)

Apparently this disclosure is due to an amendment
introduced by Bernie Sanders.

And the Wall Street Journal praises Bernie Sanders!


"Fed's 'Backdoor Bailout' Provided $3.3 Trillion in Loans to Banks, 
Corporations"

     http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/12/02-7

Gerry

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From jims at greens.org  Thu Dec  2 17:06:32 2010
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:06:32 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] You're invited to the Peter M. Camejo Event - Saturday
	at 7:00pm!!!
Message-ID: <4CF84298.90707@greens.org>




	

	

	

	





From jamboi at greens.org  Fri Dec  3 06:43:29 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 06:43:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: A Mossad-Wikileaks connection?
Message-ID: <39034.69.236.172.187.1291387409.squirrel@www.greens.org>

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Fwd: A Mossad-Wikileaks connection?
From:    "Donna Wallach" <cats4jazz at gmail.com>
Date:    Thu, December 2, 2010 12:33
To:      undisclosed-recipients:;
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Greetings all,

I'm sending this on for you to read all the links and think about.

Donna

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: HappyHeartMom at comcast.net <HappyHeartMom at comcast.net>
Date: Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:41 AM
Subject: Fwd: A Mossad-Wikileaks connection?
To:



----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "jack dresser" <jack at jdresser.com>

 These links provide some interesting speculation that Wikileaks is either a
direct Mossad operation or is being fed by its operatives within US
government, specifically the State Dept.  The first is from Gordon Duff, the
second by Jeff Gates and the third by Alan Hart, followed by comments from a
VFP friend.



Most persuasive in my view is the analysis of method, motive and opportunity
provided by Duff, and the observations by both Gates and Hart that
everything revealed so far promotes the Israeli agenda against Iran and
nothing reflects badly on Israel.  Duff points out that our gov?t is infused
with many dual-citizenship Israeli/Americans who would be in a position to
leak inside information, which combined with the content of the selected
leaks, makes a strong case for this thesis.  Duff, an ex-Marine and editor
of a veterans journal, is well-connected in the covert ops community, and
Alan Hart is a veteran ME reporter for over 4 decades who has provided
abundant insider information in his 3-volume set, ?Zionism: The Real Enemy
of the Jews? ? a must read even for those who are already well-informed.



http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/29/gordon-duff-wiki-murders-in-iran-signal-false-flag-terror/



http://criminalstate.com/2010/11/wikileaks-the-tel-aviv-connection/



http://www.alanhart.net/the-folly-of-the-israeli-and-arab-approach-to-iran-and-is-wikileaks-being-manipulated-by-an-intelligence-service/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlanHart+%28AlanHart+%28Recent+Posts%29%29



*And finally, from a VFP friend in Philadelphia sophisticated in deep
international politics:*



It is known that Gordon Duff gets some juicy tidbits from INTEL folks,
mostly from what Ziggy Brezinski Geo-Strategic types once called the "Land
Bridge" of key Oil & Natural Gas states from Georgia and Azerbaijan to
Pakistan, via Iran, in the shape of a CRESCENT.

Duff also gets tips from folks knowledgeable with Kazakhstan, Tajikistan,
Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan & Kyrgynistan (Colonel Ann Wright, at one time,
also knew a lot about these areas, b/c she was stationed there) These
countries are the logical route for Natural Gas Pipelines from the Caspian
to China.

The Afghan Northern Tier is still the OIL MAJORS and the U.S. choice for a
Caspian Pipeline to China, through Turkmenistan, then the Afghan Northern
Tier, then through Afghanistan's Panhandle, into China.

Duff also has somebody VERY familiar with doings in and around Mossad's
tentacles, b/c so many INTEL types are in awe of Mossad, and they run *their
mouths.** *

*{Gordon Duff also gets embarrassed occasionally by failing to fact check}*

I built a number of segments of multi-billion dollar 36" diameter pipelines
and Pumping Stations in the 70's, 80's & 90's. The well traveled Pipeline
CREW BOSSES always regaled us with stories about pipelines that traversed
Iran-Iraq-Israel, and the *Eilat-Ashkelon
Pipeline*<http://mail.aol.com/w/index.php?title=Eilat-Ashkelon_Pipeline&redirect=no>,that
connects the Israeli Port on the Mediterranean, to the Israeli Port on
the RED SEA (bypassing the SUEZ, *a 42" pipeline that our tax dollars paid
for !),* and the spider web of pipelines that skirt the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan
pipeline from Azerbaijan to Turkey, not to mention Saudi refineries,
pipelines, and "upstream" production facilities.

 ?                      Why NOTHING on Benazir Bhutto's assassination, and
her scared shitless hubby/now Prez? She would have beaten Musharif, handily,
and her husband, Asif Ali Zidari, the current scared shitless President of
Pakistan, knows if he makes ONE MOVE not approved by the BIG BOYS, he'll get
a Drone Missile too.

?                      Why nothing on Hariri's assassination, and his scared
shitless son/now Prez? Hariri's son is now the boss man, as Zionists & our
State Department continue to try to fan Sunni vs. Shia flames in Lebanon
like they did so well in Iraq (*
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2010/11/new-revelations-on-rafik-hariri%E2%80%99s-assassination/
*<http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2010/11/new-revelations-on-rafik-hariri%E2%80%99s-assassination/>.
(Check out the *second photo* from this independent study of the
Zionist/U.S. controlled UNSC investigation (that is unraveling so fast that
THIS may bring about a huge backlash).

?                      Why nothing on the IDF assassination back in February
of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Mebhouh, in Dubai?

?                      Why nothing of ANY of the dozens of Zionist
assassinations* *of Palestinian leaders, all the way back to Arafat?

?                      Why nothing of IDF in Georgia, South Ossetia, certain
Pakistan provinces, Iran, Kurdistan, & AIPAC here in the U.S.?

?                      Why nothing on Hosni & Suzanne Mubarak, and Egyptian
collaborators?

?                      Why nothing on that phony little quisling "King" of
Jordan?

If there's NOTHING about those 7 points I listed above, *then* WIKI LEAKS *is
*a MOSSAD instrument, on a global scale.







Jack Dresser, Ph.D.

Eugene, Oregon

Behavioral Research Scientist

Political & Prevention Psychology

Veterans for Peace

Co-director, The Al-Nakba Awareness Project

www.al-nakba-history.com





-- 
End the Blockade of Gaza!
Tear down the Apartheid Walls!
End the Israeli collective punishment on the Palestinian people
Free Palestine!

Support the Free Gaza movement & US Boat to Gaza break the siege on Gaza!
http://www.FreeGaza.org
http://www.UStoGaza.org

Support ISM volunteers in West Bank and Gaza Strip!
http://www.palsolidarity.org

Donna Wallach
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From jamboi at greens.org  Fri Dec  3 06:52:17 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 06:52:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Join us for Ubuntu Hour in San Jose Dec 9 & Mountain
 View, Dec 16, 2010
Message-ID: <40826.69.236.172.187.1291387937.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Come join us for some coffee or tea and some chat about Ubuntu. Find out
more about (free) Ubuntu OS and FLOSS software, how it can help and Green
your computing experience, and leave with a CD if you need one.

Th Dec 9th - The Ubuntu Hour: San Jose/Silicon Valley
Th Dec 16th - Mountain View, Dec 16, 2010
Come join us for Silicon Valley's Ubuntu Hour #4, (SJ's #2, so i'm calling
it rev 0.2.4 )
and #5 (Mountain View, so rev 0.3.5)

    * Date: 2nd Thursday: December 9th, 2010
      Time: 7ish-8pmish
      Philz Coffee
      118 Paseo de San Antonio,
      San Jose, CA 95112
      Cafe: 408-971-4212
      Details and RSVP,
      Downtown San Jose, (longer) Walking distance from Caltrain, near VTA
bus and light rail and next to SJ State. A 'green' coffee shop with
wifi nex

    * Date: 3rd Thursday: December 19, 2010
      Time: 7ish-8pmish
      Red Rock Coffee: 2nd floor
      201 Castro St.
      Mountain View, CA 94041
      (650) 967-4473

Green is Go!

Drew
JamBoi (at) Greens.org



From jims at greens.org  Fri Dec  3 16:34:34 2010
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:34:34 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] You're invited to the Peter M. Camejo Event -
 Saturday at 7:00pm!!!
In-Reply-To: <4CF84298.90707@greens.org>
References: <4CF84298.90707@greens.org>
Message-ID: <4CF98C9A.1000602@greens.org>


Commemorative event and posthumous book release for Peter Camejo, in Newark 
Saturday night.

Details:  http://cagreens.org/misc/image001.jpg


Jim



From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Sun Dec  5 11:43:19 2010
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 11:43:19 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Free Software at the Peace Fair
Message-ID: <4CFBEB57.9000001@truffula.sj.ca.us>


I've had a table at the San Jos? Peace and Justice Center's Holiday 
Peace Fair <http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/20101108154316816> a 
few times since 2003, distributing "Free Software"*.
Yesterday was the best.  Drew, Brian, Susan, and Drew's Giant Penguin 
joined me.  We showed off Puppylinux 
<http://puppylinux.org/main/Manual-English.htm> running Firefox 
<http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/security/> on Susan's twelve year 
old laptop, Ubuntustudio 
<http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntustudio> playing the 
Peace Center's videos on my two year old laptop, and Ubuntu 
<http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy> on Drew's 
netbook.

They gave us the best table, in the lobby across from registration.  The 
Peace Fair is for holiday shopping, and our pitch is "this is a stocking 
stuffer for the person who takes care of your PC."  We handed out 
roughly twenty Puppies and a dozen Ubuntus.  And an aptosid 
<http://aptosid.com/>.

The vibe was way up since last time.  Thanks to Ubuntu's and Android's 
success, and Oracle's recent attachment to Openoffice.org and MySQL, 
people who pay attention to business or technology news know open source 
software is competing well against the trade secret stuff.  So we aren't 
starting from zero in public outreach and awareness any more.  But the 
business news never tells you /*why*/, so there's a kernel of curiosity 
with progressives now.  With that out of the way, it's easier to make 
the social justice connection.  All the folks I spoke with got it with 
little or no explaining.

Everything worked.  We installed Puppylinux on the old laptop the night 
before, and had no idea how complete it was.  I think the folks who try 
it out will be impressed.  Puppy comes with its own "lightweight" word 
processor, web browser, and spreadsheet, but it's also got three-click 
installers for Firefox, Openoffice, Komposer <http://kompozer.net/>, and 
a lot of other stuff.  Komposer is for authoring web sites.

Puppy and Ubuntustudio connected to the wifi in the building 
automatically.  I didn't take the time to troubleshoot Drew's network, 
we were too busy talking to people, eating, and shopping.

-- 
/Cameron in San Jos?/

*Richard Stallman capitalizes "Free Software 
<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/>" that way.  It's to distinguish it from 
Proprietary, Patented, and Trade Secret Software that's Distributed 
Without Charge But You Don't Get Any Rights.



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From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Dec  6 21:43:44 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:43:44 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5BCalifornia_Greening=5D_There?=
 =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_no_happy_ending?=
Message-ID: <4CFDC990.9070902@charter.net>

This is what I just posted at cagreening.  There you can listen to the 
full McKibben interview.  It is worth the time <10 min.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[California Greening] There?s no happy ending
Date: 	Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:22:35 -0800 (PST)
From: 	Wes <wrolley at charter.net>
To: 	wrolley at charter.net



    There?s no happy ending where we prevent climate change any more. ?
    Now the question is? is it going to be a miserable century or an
    impossible one and what comes after that. /- Bill McKibben in an
    interview with Revkin(dot earth) in Cancun,/

This is where I begin to sound like a broken record. But more and more I 
am convinced that McKibben is right. You can listen to the full segment 
below. This is his conclusion some 8 min. in.



I am also convinced that there will be no action from the U.S. Congress 
for the next two years. That means we have to focus what strength we 
have on local actions and supporting CA organizations that are doing 
things. If the Federal Government takes any action, it will be through 
Carol Browner's pushing the EPA to regulate GHG's. Congressional 
Republicans will try to defund the EPA. That can not be allowed to happen.

Then, we need to begin now targeting those legislators, State or 
Federal, who have the worst records and to keep up a relentless attack. 
It should start with Orange County's idiotic Dana Rohrabacher.
/Memo to self: Start a target list./

Too much of what we work for is rather like re-arranging the deck chairs 
on the Titanic. It might make life pleasant if we survive. If Greens can 
not lead on this, we should rename our party.




--
Posted By Wes to California Greening 
<http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2010/12/theres-no-happy-ending.html> at 
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  7 00:37:36 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:37:36 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] David Swanson in the South Bay Sat 12/18
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W17F0CE5C93D389D129C6E19E2C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY140-W17F0CE5C93D389D129C6E19E2C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W29A1E22BE27157714B4B449E2C0@phx.gbl>










David Swanson will be in the area promoting his book, War is a Lie.

 He has an appearance scheduled in Santa Cruz at 5:30 on the 18th and he'd like 
to have a meeting in the South Bay earlier in the afternoon.  If you know anyone 
who might like to set something up, please let me know.

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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Tue Dec  7 01:29:48 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 01:29:48 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] David Swanson in the South Bay Sat 12/18
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W29A1E22BE27157714B4B449E2C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY140-W17F0CE5C93D389D129C6E19E2C0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY140-W29A1E22BE27157714B4B449E2C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4CFDFE8C.7070801@prodsyse.com>

Might Barnes & Noble be willing to host the event if we could promise to 
advertise the event via the Green discuss list and try to get other 
announcements via, e.g., the Peace Centers in San Jose and Palo Alto 
plus WILPF?  Spencer


On 12/7/2010 12:37 AM, Brian Good wrote:
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> David Swanson will be in the area promoting his book, War is a Lie.
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>   He has an appearance scheduled in Santa Cruz at 5:30 on the 18th and he'd like
> to have a meeting in the South Bay earlier in the afternoon.  If you know anyone
> who might like to set something up, please let me know.
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> Brian
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-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  8 13:02:12 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:02:12 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KPFA / FSRN financial troubles
Message-ID: <4CFFF254.9030008@earthlink.net>


I have recently received appeals for money alleging
desparate situations from both KPFA and FSRN
(Free Speech Radio News).  I am disturbed that each
is in trouble, and even more disturbed that their
troubles are simultaneous.  Anyone know why?

I assume that both are hurting due to the bad economy,
but maybe there is more to it than that.  For example,
could KPFA be in arrears in its payments to FSRN?

Gerry



From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Dec  8 21:14:31 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:14:31 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [California Greening] California's climate is
 changing. Will we?
Message-ID: <4D0065B7.10107@charter.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[California Greening] California's climate is changing. Will we?
Date: 	Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:11:31 -0800 (PST)
From: 	Wes <wrolley at charter.net>
To: 	wrolley at charter.net



Since my pessimistic post 
<http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2010/12/theres-no-happy-ending.html> on 
dot earth's interview with Bill McKibben, I have been challenged by 
Gerry Gross to explain why he should listen to yet another session of 
gloom and doom Jeremiad. It made me do some additional thinking about 
what we should be doing. So this may ramble, but it hopefully provides 
energy of some kind for the work that needs to be done.

"more than anything, it's just a question of power." Another quote from 
McKibben that starts to explain why he started 350.org. If it is a 
question of power... the fossil fuel companies have it and we don't... 
then McKibben wants to build an organization <http://www.350.org/> large 
enough to have power.

I see two problems here. The first is that McKibben has chosen not to 
come forward with a firm statement of policy. What changes do we need to 
make? When do we make them? How might government provide incentives to 
change in the right way? In one way McKibben is right. There are many 
solutions and every country, state, province, group has to find the one 
that works locally. One of the reasons that Copenhagen failed, and that 
Cancun promises to just a disappointing, is that there is no solution 
that works for everyone. That is addressed in the video segment I linked.

The other problem is essentially one for Greens to deal with, but also 
seems to apply to other progressives and independents. People don't 
really trust those in power. This distrust is one of the reasons for a 
lack of cohesion within various Green organizations. The devolution of 
power to the people rarely results in a unified sense of direction.

Let me ramble back to Gerry's original question. Should we be supporting 
the Million Letter March <http://www.millionlettermarch.org/>... an 
effort to send a million letters to Congress underscoring the need to 
act on climate change now. I guess that it is like eating chicken soup 
to fight a cold... it can't hurt but I would not expect it to cure H1N1. 
As it is, even with the names of Bill McKibben, Dr. James Hansen and 
Lester "Plan B" Brown attached to the effort, they have so far generated 
less than 400 letters from US Sources.

We have to acknowledge that our Federal government is not going to act 
at least for the next 2 years, since any action will be blocked in a 
Republican controlled House of Representatives. An examination of the 
people that are being selected to head committees in a Republican House 
makes it abundantly clear. A good example is the selection of 
Oil-Industry cheerleader Ralph Hall 
<http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/gop_takeover_in_the_house_may_spell_doom_for_obamas_environmental_policies.php> 
to head the House Committee on Science and Technology. Whatever action 
takes place will have be local, or at least at the state level.

For example, we should learn more about the Panoche Valley Solar Farm 
Project in San Benito County. This is a photovoltaic installation 
designed to eventually supply 420 megawatts of power when completely 
built out. There are pros and cons for the project, and some 
environmental groups would like to stop it over the question of habitat 
loss. You can read the draft Environmental Impact Report here 
<http://www.san-benito.ca.us/departments/planning/documents/Solargen/feir/b_projdesc.pdf>. 
The scope of this project is such that we can not allow a mistake 
through ignorance or indifference.

Let me underscore the fact that most Greens acknowledge the importance 
of climate change. The draft of the 2010 version of the GPUS Platform 
clearly states that "*Climate change is the most grave environmental, 
social and economic peril that humanity has ever met.*" On it's own, 
that will have as much political effect as a Million Letter March that 
only generates 400 letters.

If we believe, as I do, that the formulation in the platform is correct, 
then we need to organize around that fact. It is time for California's 
Green Climate Hawks to get together and start having an impact.


--
Posted By Wes to California Greening 
<http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2010/12/californias-climate-is-changing-will-we.html> 
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From jamboi at greens.org  Thu Dec  9 01:29:46 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 01:29:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Today: Dec 9th 7pm, The Ubuntu Hour: San Jose/Silicon
 Valley; Dec 16th The Ubuntu Hour: Mountain View
Message-ID: <60818.69.236.172.187.1291886986.squirrel@www.greens.org>

Join us for
Th Dec 9th - The Ubuntu Hour: San Jose/Silicon Valley
Th Dec 16th - Mountain View, Dec 16, 2010
Come join us for Silicon Valley's Ubuntu Hour #4, (SJ's #2, so i'm calling
it rev 0.2.4 )
and #5 (Mountain View, so rev 0.3.5)

    * Date: 2nd Thursday: December 9th, 2010
      Time: 7ish-8pmish
      Philz Coffee
      118 Paseo de San Antonio,
      San Jose, CA 95112
      Cafe: 408-971-4212
      Details and RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/585/detail/
      A few blocks from Caltrain, VTA bus and light rail and next to SJ
State. A 'green' coffee shop with wifi nex

    * Date: 3rd Thursday: December 19, 2010
      Time: 7ish-8pmish
      Red Rock Coffee: 2nd floor
      201 Castro St.
      Mountain View, CA 94041
      (650) 967-4473
      Details and RXVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/586/detail/
      A few blocks from Caltrain, VTA bus and light rail. They have
sandwiches, free wifi and coffee shop type drinks.





From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  9 09:29:38 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 09:29:38 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Tax Cut Deal A Hidden Threat To Social Security"
Message-ID: <4D011202.3090003@earthlink.net>


FYI,

     http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/12/08-10

Gerry



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Thu Dec  9 15:19:52 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:19:52 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [GPCA-CCWG] How Dan Hamburg Won]
Message-ID: <4D016418.60404@aceweb.com>

Dan Hamburg is the only Green politician I know that I first got to know
as a talking head on TV. He was a semi regular on the News Hour for a 
while during his days in Congress. I was surprised when he started 
showing up at Green Party meetings, back in the later part of the '90s.
Several times I've seen him say "I just don't like the fundraising 
required to get anywhere in Washington, DC" or words to that effect.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[GPCA-CCWG] How Dan Hamburg Won
Date: 	Thu, 9 Dec 2010 14:51:36 -0800
From: 	William P. Meyers <bill at iiipublishing.com>
To: 	CCWG <gpca-ccwg at cagreens.org>



How Hamburg Won

Analysis by William P. Meyers; does not necessarily reflect the views of
Dan Hamburg or his campaign committee. Created for the Green Party of
California.

Dan Hamburg won his 2010 campaign [with 57.4%] to become 5^th District
Supervisor of Mendocino County California. This is an extremely liberal,
mainly rural and small town, and geographically large district.

The key elements of the campaign were:

1.  Dan decided he wanted to be County Supervisor and started
campaigning at least a year before the filing date. His early campaign
consisted mainly of re-introducing himself to activists, which helped
him launch with a large campaign committee and initial list of
endorsers. That made Dan the frontrunner, and likely headed off
endorsements of other candidates by people who knew and liked several of
the candidates.

2. His campaign team was large and relatively experienced. Many on the
team had worked together on previous campaigns for or against local
propositions or candidates. The team included an overall coordinator, a
coastal and an inland campaign manager, a database person, treasurer,
and other advisors.

3. Dan ran a non-partisan, issues-based race. He always admitted to
being a Green Party member when asked, and refused to re-register
Democrat when pushed, but campaigned on issues and his capabilities.
Many of his campaign workers were decline to state or registered
Democrats, in addition to registered Greens.

4. After the incumbent announced he would not run for re-election, the
Democratic Party machine  that dominates the district failed to unify
voters around their candidate. Having three Dem candidates may have
prevented Dan from winning outright in the primary, but the machine
candidate came in third and the most conservative Democrat came in
second [Primary vote: Dan Hamburg 35%; Wendy Roberts 28.5%; Jim Mastin
21%; Norman De Vall 15%].

5. Dan stuck to the high road, and for the most part his followers did
as well. Dan did not make personal attacks on his opponents, including
Wendy Roberts, even when she made such attacks on him. He always
answered questions honestly and consistently (while admitting a learning
curve). He stuck to the issues. After the primary, this made it possible
to get the endorsement of the 3^rd placed candidate.

6. Dan was a highly-available candidate. He went anywhere in the
district he was invited, only missing events when there were scheduling
conflicts. He made a point to personally talk to as many voters as
possible, and I don?t just mean shaking hands, I mean engaging in real
conversations. And Dan is a very good listener, making people feel that
they have input.

7. Dan was not shy about raising money. Wendy Roberts was backed by
real-estate and other moneyed interests. Dan about matched her in
fundraising, with over $50,000, mainly in ?small? donations of under
$1000.

8. The campaign team gathered a huge number of endorsements, working on
that all through the campaign. People who have endorsed are not likely
to switch candidates, and become the grassroots of the campaign.

Other than that, the campaign did all the usual: calling voters,
mailings, radio ads, debates, events. But in our district most votes are
won in face-to-face discussions.

People who don?t know our district may believe that Dan won because he
is a former congressman. His opposition included a former district
supervisor and a former mayor of Ukiah, both better known to the average
voter in much of the district at the beginning of the campaign. His head
start came more from decades of non-profit work for the environment and
justice.


-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
The manga video pin I got in '04 is on a Hawaii quarter right now.
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Dec 10 00:39:47 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 00:39:47 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [SVAC] David Swanson's book tour WAR IS A LIE in
 San Jose, Saturday, Dec. 18, 2 p.m.]
Message-ID: <4D01E753.20901@aceweb.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[SVAC] David Swanson's book tour WAR IS A LIE in San
Jose,Saturday, Dec. 18, 2 p.m.
Date: 	Thu, 9 Dec 2010 19:37:47 -0800 (PST)
From: 	Mike Zelinski <m_zelinski at sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: 	svac at lists.riseup.net,Mike Zelinski <m_zelinski at sbcglobal.net>
To: 	SBM <sbm at lists.riseup.net>, SVIC <svac at lists.riseup.net>
References: 	<110842.18472.qm at web31402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




Author:  *David Swanson** ? War is a Lie*



When: Saturday, December 18, 2010

Time: 2: 00 PM to 4:30 PM

Where: San Jose Peace and Justice Center,* *

<ttp://warisalie.org/">ight-click <ttp://warisalie.org/">



<ttp://warisalie.org/">

?David Swanson is an antidote to the toxins of complacency and evasion.
He insists on rousing the sleepwalkers, confronting the deadly
prevaricators and shining a bright light on possibilities for a truly
better world.?
<ttp://warisalie.org/">

? Norman Solomon, author of War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits
Keep Spinning Us to Death". <ttp://warisalie.org/">



<ttp://warisalie.org/">

/War Is A Lie/" and "/Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and
Forming a More Perfect Union/". Swanson co-founded
<ttp://warisalie.org/">AfterDowningStreet.org
<ttp://afterdowningstreet.org/"> in response to the false evidence that
led to the invasion of Iraq.


*www.warisalie.org*

__




-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
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The manga video pin I got in '04 is on a Hawaii quarter right now.
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 11:43:11 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:43:11 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpsmc-d] US Senator Bernie Sanders is
 Filibustering Tax Breaks for the Rich - Right Now - Call with support
 please
Message-ID: <4D0282CF.10502@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [gpsmc-d] US Senator Bernie Sanders is Filibustering Tax Breaks 
for the Rich - Right Now - Call with support please
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:41:06 -0800
From: Jo Chamberlain <joc at pobox.com>
To: GPSMC-D <gpsmc-d at cagreens.org>

Hi,

US Senator Bernie Sanders is filibustering the tax breaks for the rich 
right now, please call and email his office with support:


1.202.224.5141

http://sanders.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm

Wouldn't hurt to contact Feinstein and Boxer's office too. Speier and 
Eshoo too....




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http://cagreens.org/sanmateo/



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 11:44:36 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:44:36 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Bernie Buzz: Filibuster
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 12:38:16 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:38:16 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd:  Fwd: Bernie Buzz: Filibuster
Message-ID: <4D028FB8.8010300@earthlink.net>


I have been watching Sanders on C-SPAN.  I think he is
very good.  You can get C-SPAN from his email below.

Gerry

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 14:57:43 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:57:43 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd:  Fwd: Bernie Buzz: Filibuster
In-Reply-To: <4D028FB8.8010300@earthlink.net>
References: <4D028FB8.8010300@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D02B067.1070106@earthlink.net>


Senator Bernie Sanders has been speaking for over 7 hours now.

Remember "Mr. Smith goes to Washington"?

http://cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

He's asking people to contact their Congressional
Reps, (Senators and Representatives).

Gerry


Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> I have been watching Sanders on C-SPAN. I think he is
> very good. You can get C-SPAN from his email below.
>
> Gerry
>
>
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 10 16:30:55 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:30:55 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bernie's Filibuster
Message-ID: <4D02C63F.7080208@earthlink.net>


According to CSPAN:

- Bernie's filibuster lasted about 8.5 hours.

- He had 2 short breaks provided by Mary Landrieu
   and Sherrod Brown.

- The vote will happen on Monday.

- Bill Clinton supports Obama's compromise.


I am hoping that the filibuster will lead to enough
people contacting their reps and defeat the extensions
of the tax cuts for the rich.

I am hoping that this will help show that the Democrats
are sellouts.

I see that CSPAN archives some things.  Anyone know
their policy on archiving?

Gerry



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec 12 11:07:25 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:07:25 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] No Credit Card Debt?
Message-ID: <4D051D6D.1030607@prodsyse.com>

Hello, All:


	  When will be the next event at which people will want literature to 
distribute?


	  Also, would anyone like to help me produce bookmarks and tri-fold 
brochures?  If yes, please reply.


	  The 'Just Say "No!" to Abusive Banks' brochure mentioned Dec. 7, 
which has now past.  Yesterday, I drafted a brochure and a bookmark with 
a similar theme on "Credit Cards and the Great Recession", encouraging 
people to transfer any use of credit cards associated with major banks 
to a credit card obtained via a credit union.  I sent drafts to this 
list but have not seen them.  I don't know if the list is down or it 
blocks attachments.  Below please find the text.  Both include graphics 
for no credit cards in addition to the finance industry profits and 
Green party logo on the previous brochure.


	  Comments?
	  Spencer

### bookmark

Credit Cards
and the
Great Recession

Stop using credit cards with major banks (or non-profits using major 
banks), because they provide power to the bankers who are destroying the 
international economy.  Use cards from credit unions or community banks.
The finance industry in the US now "earns" a third of US domestic 
corporate profits, thanks to legislation underreported by the mainstream 
media.   Use credit unions or community banks to minimize your 
contributions to that.

### brochure

Credit Cards
and the
Great Recession

Do you use a credit card with a major bank?  Many credit cards 
ostensibly with non-profit organizations are managed by major banks, who 
make substantial profits from those cards and give a small portion of 
those profits to the non-profits.
If yes, we suggest you use instead a credit card with a local credit 
union or a small community bank.  Credit unions are cooperatives owned 
by their customers / members, are more likely to invest locally and are 
less likely to contribute to destabilizing the international economy, 
engage in predatory lending practices, etc.

No Credit Card Debt

If you have credit card debt, you can help yourself and the 
international economy by paying that off as quickly as possible -- if 
necessary with a loan from a local credit union or a small community 
bank.  Virtually any loan will carry a lower interest rate than credit 
card debt, though you need to check.
Avoid major banks, because any business with them increases the power 
they have skillfully used to enrich the senior banking executives while 
destroying the international economy, creating massive unemployment, and 
forcing the poor and middle class to accept less for their labor.

Corrupt Profits of the Major Banks

The financial industry in the US (banks, securities, insurance) "earned" 
34% of total US domestic corporate profits over the past decade, up from 
16% for 1934-1999 (see below).
Some of this increase in profits developed because consumers have no 
effective means of protecting their interests in this sector.  Instead 
of innovating to provide better service to consumers at reduced cost, 
banks have innovated to maximize their profits at the expense of 
consumers.  This includes colluding in setting credit card rates to harm 
  consumers.1  This should be an antitrust violation, but most 
politicians are elected with massive contributions from big business, 
especially major banks, and the commercial media would lose advertising 
revenue and profitability if they exposed  it.2
If you think this is outrageous, as we do, we encourage you to minimize 
your contributions to this by transferring your financial dealings to a 
credit union or a small community bank.

Process for changing a checking account

1. Choose another financial institution (see below).
2. Open a new account.  Ask for forms to facilitate the transfer.
3. Get checks, credit, debit, ATM cards for the new account.
4. Transfer direct deposits and automatic payments to the new account.
5. Stop writing checks or using a debit card on the old account.
6. Wait until your last check has cleared.
7. Submit a "Close and Transfer Letter" to close your old account and 
transfer remaining funds to the new account.
8. If you have also paid off any credit card debt with a major bank, 
congratulate yourself for having ended your personal contributions to 
bank executives' multi-million dollar compensations.  Encourage your 
friends to do the same.


Financial Industry Profits as a Percent of US Domestic Corporate Profit 3










www.cagreens.org/santaclara
Green Party of Santa Clara County, CA
P.O. Box  390372
Mountain View, CA 94039
      ph:  (408)294-5779
email:   spencer.graves at prodsyse.com


Credit Unions in San Jos?, CA

The following is a list of 9 credit unions in the San Jos? area. 
Because of their different ownership and legal constraints, they are 
more likely to focus on building the local economy and less likely to 
engage in the risky behaviors that created the current "Great Recession".
Alliance Federal Credit Union (www.alliancecreditunion.org)
Commonwealth Central Credit Union (www.wealthcu.org)
Keypoint (www.keypointcu.com)
Meriwest Credit Union (www.meriwest.com)
Provident Credit Union (www.providentcu.org)
San Jose Credit Union (www.sjcu.org)
Santa Clara County Federal Credit Union (www.sccfcu.org)
Star One Credit Union (www.starone.org)
Technology Credit Union (www.techcu.com)
Valley Credit Union (www.valleycu.org)



###############################
##  text from previous emails on this subject:
##
	  Attached is a draft bookmark on "No Credit Card Debt", supporting the 
general resistance to major banks, we've discussed.  This morning, I 
sent a brochure-length piece on the same theme.  I'm happy to provide 
Open Office or MS Word copies for anyone who would like to help edit 
such.  (NOTE:  The margins on the PDF versions do not match the margins 
on the original.  To make the margins on the attached work properly, I 
would have to make further adjustments to the Open Office version.)


	  Monday evening, I'll be attending a holiday potluck of Silicon Valley 
DeBug (www.siliconvalleydebug.org), and I plan to take a few copies of 
both the attached bookmark and the companion brochure.  Any comments 
would be greatly appreciated.

	
	  Best Wishes,
	  Spencer 	
	

############################
          December 7 came and went without a Pearl Harbor disaster for 
the major banks.  Attached is a proposed replacement for our Dec. 7 
brochure.  This is only a draft.  Comments are eagerly sought, both on 
the subject matter as well as the expression.  (Please let me know if 
you'd like this in Open Office or MS Word format.)


          Is the Green party ready to ask people to pressure politicians 
and prosecutors to prosecute illegal foreclosures and fraudulent banking 
practices in encouraging people to lie on loan applications? Apparently, 
many and probably the vast majority of foreclosure attempts in the US 
have involves low level banking employees signing statements that UNDER 
PENALTY OF PERJURY, they have done investigations that they clearly 
could not possibly have done.  We could make a major issue of this, 
demanding these cases be investigated and prosecuted.  Low level 
employees faced with jail sentences should be pushed to testify against 
their managers, who were obviously guilty of conspiring to commit 
perjury and illegally confiscate people's homes.  Bank employees 
processing foreclosures involving fraud should be prosecuted for fraud 
and grand larceny, and bank managers encouraging such practices are 
guilty of conspiring to commit fraud and grand larceny.  They should be 
prosecuted to the maximum extent allowed by law -- with senior banking 
executives who promoted those practices facing thousands of consecutive 
one year sentences for conspiring to commit fraud and grand larceny -- 
thereby contributing to destroying the international economy.


          Are the Greens willing to make a campaign of issues like this? 
We would need a legal team, who is ready to defend us individually and 
collectively.  I think this is a sleeping tiger that could catapult the 
Greens into a much bigger position in the next election.  However, we'd 
need to be prepared to be sued for libel, which means that we'd have to 
make absolutely certain that anything we say can be supported by 
independent sources -- solid footnotes to more than just flybynight.com. 
    If a major bank were to sue us for libel, I would hope we could then 
counter sue, demanding records on all foreclosures so we can contact 
many of the victims, and ask about the circumstances under which they 
got into the problem loan in the first place.  A campaign like this 
could be what the world needs to change the terms of the debate on these 
issues internationally and fix the current Great Recession.


          Comments?
          Spencer

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567




From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec 12 11:20:00 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 11:20:00 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] No Credit Card Debt?
Message-ID: <4D052060.70205@prodsyse.com>

p.s.  Tomorrow, Monday evening, I plan to attend a potluck with Silicon 
Valley DeBug (www.siliconvalleydebug.org), and I plan to take whatever 
version of these brochures I have with me and discuss them with DeBug 
members.  Any comments I could receive on the text before then would be 
appreciated.  Thanks.


###########################
Hello, All:


	  When will be the next event at which people will want literature to 
distribute?


	  Also, would anyone like to help me produce bookmarks and tri-fold 
brochures?  If yes, please reply.


	  The 'Just Say "No!" to Abusive Banks' brochure mentioned Dec. 7, 
which has now past.  Yesterday, I drafted a brochure and a bookmark with 
a similar theme on "Credit Cards and the Great Recession", encouraging 
people to transfer any use of credit cards associated with major banks 
to a credit card obtained via a credit union.  I sent drafts to this 
list but have not seen them.  I don't know if the list is down or it 
blocks attachments.  Below please find the text.  Both include graphics 
for no credit cards in addition to the finance industry profits and 
Green party logo on the previous brochure.


	  Comments?
	  Spencer

### bookmark

Credit Cards
and the
Great Recession

Stop using credit cards with major banks (or non-profits using major 
banks), because they provide power to the bankers who are destroying the 
international economy.  Use cards from credit unions or community banks.
The finance industry in the US now "earns" a third of US domestic 
corporate profits, thanks to legislation underreported by the mainstream 
media.   Use credit unions or community banks to minimize your 
contributions to that.

### brochure

Credit Cards
and the
Great Recession

Do you use a credit card with a major bank?  Many credit cards 
ostensibly with non-profit organizations are managed by major banks, who 
make substantial profits from those cards and give a small portion of 
those profits to the non-profits.
If yes, we suggest you use instead a credit card with a local credit 
union or a small community bank.  Credit unions are cooperatives owned 
by their customers / members, are more likely to invest locally and are 
less likely to contribute to destabilizing the international economy, 
engage in predatory lending practices, etc.

No Credit Card Debt

If you have credit card debt, you can help yourself and the 
international economy by paying that off as quickly as possible -- if 
necessary with a loan from a local credit union or a small community 
bank.  Virtually any loan will carry a lower interest rate than credit 
card debt, though you need to check.
Avoid major banks, because any business with them increases the power 
they have skillfully used to enrich the senior banking executives while 
destroying the international economy, creating massive unemployment, and 
forcing the poor and middle class to accept less for their labor.

Corrupt Profits of the Major Banks

The financial industry in the US (banks, securities, insurance) "earned" 
34% of total US domestic corporate profits over the past decade, up from 
16% for 1934-1999 (see below).
Some of this increase in profits developed because consumers have no 
effective means of protecting their interests in this sector.  Instead 
of innovating to provide better service to consumers at reduced cost, 
banks have innovated to maximize their profits at the expense of 
consumers.  This includes colluding in setting credit card rates to harm 
  consumers.1  This should be an antitrust violation, but most 
politicians are elected with massive contributions from big business, 
especially major banks, and the commercial media would lose advertising 
revenue and profitability if they exposed  it.2
If you think this is outrageous, as we do, we encourage you to minimize 
your contributions to this by transferring your financial dealings to a 
credit union or a small community bank.

Process for changing a checking account

1. Choose another financial institution (see below).
2. Open a new account.  Ask for forms to facilitate the transfer.
3. Get checks, credit, debit, ATM cards for the new account.
4. Transfer direct deposits and automatic payments to the new account.
5. Stop writing checks or using a debit card on the old account.
6. Wait until your last check has cleared.
7. Submit a "Close and Transfer Letter" to close your old account and 
transfer remaining funds to the new account.
8. If you have also paid off any credit card debt with a major bank, 
congratulate yourself for having ended your personal contributions to 
bank executives' multi-million dollar compensations.  Encourage your 
friends to do the same.


Financial Industry Profits as a Percent of US Domestic Corporate Profit 3










www.cagreens.org/santaclara
Green Party of Santa Clara County, CA
P.O. Box  390372
Mountain View, CA 94039
      ph:  (408)294-5779
email:   spencer.graves at prodsyse.com


Credit Unions in San Jos?, CA

The following is a list of 9 credit unions in the San Jos? area. Because 
of their different ownership and legal constraints, they are more likely 
to focus on building the local economy and less likely to engage in the 
risky behaviors that created the current "Great Recession".
Alliance Federal Credit Union (www.alliancecreditunion.org)
Commonwealth Central Credit Union (www.wealthcu.org)
Keypoint (www.keypointcu.com)
Meriwest Credit Union (www.meriwest.com)
Provident Credit Union (www.providentcu.org)
San Jose Credit Union (www.sjcu.org)
Santa Clara County Federal Credit Union (www.sccfcu.org)
Star One Credit Union (www.starone.org)
Technology Credit Union (www.techcu.com)
Valley Credit Union (www.valleycu.org)



###############################
##  text from previous emails on this subject:
##
	  Attached is a draft bookmark on "No Credit Card Debt", supporting the 
general resistance to major banks, we've discussed.  This morning, I 
sent a brochure-length piece on the same theme.  I'm happy to provide 
Open Office or MS Word copies for anyone who would like to help edit 
such.  (NOTE:  The margins on the PDF versions do not match the margins 
on the original.  To make the margins on the attached work properly, I 
would have to make further adjustments to the Open Office version.)


	  Monday evening, I'll be attending a holiday potluck of Silicon Valley 
DeBug (www.siliconvalleydebug.org), and I plan to take a few copies of 
both the attached bookmark and the companion brochure.  Any comments 
would be greatly appreciated.

	
	  Best Wishes,
	  Spencer 	
	

############################
          December 7 came and went without a Pearl Harbor disaster for 
the major banks.  Attached is a proposed replacement for our Dec. 7 
brochure.  This is only a draft.  Comments are eagerly sought, both on 
the subject matter as well as the expression.  (Please let me know if 
you'd like this in Open Office or MS Word format.)


          Is the Green party ready to ask people to pressure politicians 
and prosecutors to prosecute illegal foreclosures and fraudulent banking 
practices in encouraging people to lie on loan applications? Apparently, 
many and probably the vast majority of foreclosure attempts in the US 
have involves low level banking employees signing statements that UNDER 
PENALTY OF PERJURY, they have done investigations that they clearly 
could not possibly have done.  We could make a major issue of this, 
demanding these cases be investigated and prosecuted.  Low level 
employees faced with jail sentences should be pushed to testify against 
their managers, who were obviously guilty of conspiring to commit 
perjury and illegally confiscate people's homes.  Bank employees 
processing foreclosures involving fraud should be prosecuted for fraud 
and grand larceny, and bank managers encouraging such practices are 
guilty of conspiring to commit fraud and grand larceny.  They should be 
prosecuted to the maximum extent allowed by law -- with senior banking 
executives who promoted those practices facing thousands of consecutive 
one year sentences for conspiring to commit fraud and grand larceny -- 
thereby contributing to destroying the international economy.


          Are the Greens willing to make a campaign of issues like this? 
We would need a legal team, who is ready to defend us individually and 
collectively.  I think this is a sleeping tiger that could catapult the 
Greens into a much bigger position in the next election.  However, we'd 
need to be prepared to be sued for libel, which means that we'd have to 
make absolutely certain that anything we say can be supported by 
independent sources -- solid footnotes to more than just flybynight.com. 
    If a major bank were to sue us for libel, I would hope we could then 
counter sue, demanding records on all foreclosures so we can contact 
many of the victims, and ask about the circumstances under which they 
got into the problem loan in the first place.  A campaign like this 
could be what the world needs to change the terms of the debate on these 
issues internationally and fix the current Great Recession.


          Comments?
          Spencer

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567




From WB4D23 at aol.com  Sun Dec 12 12:09:47 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:09:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Early Call For Monthly Meeting Agenda Items
Message-ID: <48f1a.196e05d0.3a36860b@aol.com>

Happy Holidaze GPSCC!!!
 
At the November meeting I volunteered to compile the agenda  for our 
January 2011 monthly meeting Wednesday, January 5th.  Please begin  thinking about 
what you want discussed or reported at that first meeting of  2011.
 
Warner
 
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec 12 17:46:14 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 17:46:14 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Early Call For Monthly Meeting Agenda Items
In-Reply-To: <48f1a.196e05d0.3a36860b@aol.com>
References: <48f1a.196e05d0.3a36860b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D057AE6.3090602@prodsyse.com>

Hello, All:


       What do you think about circulating petitions requesting every 
prosecutor in the nation (starting with prosecutors in Santa Clara 
County) to seriously investigate the allegations of felonious behavior 
on the part of banking employees and executives:


             1.  Have bank employees signed documents claiming under 
penalty of perjury that they followed certain investigative procedures 
which they evidently had not done?  If yes, the low level bank employees 
should be prosecuted for felonious perjury, and their management should 
be prosecuted for conspiring to commit perjury.  I sympathize with the 
low level bank employees, who could have been fired if they had not 
complied with the orders of their managers.  However, I sympathize more 
with people who have lost their homes due in part to this felonious 
behavior.


             2.  Have bank employees encouraged people to lie in loan 
applications and failed to responsibly execute their fiduciary 
responsibility to ensure that questionable applications were properly 
investigated?  If yes, the low level bank employees should be prosecuted 
for conspiring to commit fraud, along with their managers.  Again, I 
sympathize with the low level bank employees who could have been fired 
if they had not complied with the orders of their managers.  However, 
their routine conspiring to defraud the bank regulators and the public 
is part of the reason for the high unemployment rate in the US today -- 
literally robbing millions of people world wide of opportunities for a 
better life, with total cost to international society of many trillions 
of dollars.


       I propose we discuss this at the next meeting.


       Best Wishes,
       Spencer


On 12/12/2010 12:09 PM, WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
> Happy Holidaze GPSCC!!!
>
> At the November meeting I volunteered to compile the agenda  for our
> January 2011 monthly meeting Wednesday, January 5th.  Please begin  thinking about
> what you want discussed or reported at that first meeting of  2011.
>
> Warner
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567

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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sun Dec 12 20:37:15 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:37:15 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Early Call For Monthly Meeting Agenda Items
In-Reply-To: <48f1a.196e05d0.3a36860b@aol.com>
References: <48f1a.196e05d0.3a36860b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D05A2FB.9050303@aceweb.com>

One thing we need to talk about is the posting of large attachments to 
our discussion list.

WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
> Happy Holidaze GPSCC!!!
>  
> At the November meeting I volunteered to compile the agenda for our 
> January 2011 monthly meeting Wednesday, January 5th.  Please begin 
> thinking about what you want discussed or reported at that first meeting 
> of 2011.
>  
> Warner
>  
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
The manga video pin I got in '04 is on a Hawaii quarter right now.


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 12 21:42:00 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:42:00 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Obama has "Out-Bushed Bush" says Speier
Message-ID: <BAY140-W11B61D7C38EBC3E2603B8B9E120@phx.gbl>



Rep. Speier indulges in some blatant conspiracy-theorizing about Obama's tax-cut deal:
"This is a grand plan of starving Social Security so you can then privatize Social Security (and) seniors are on their own."
http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_16829980
"I'm very 
disappointed. He's out-Bushed Bush," she said of Obama, referring to 
President George W. Bush's failed attempt in 2005 to partially privatize
 Social Security.
Speier reserved some of her scorn for how 
Obama's plan was formulated, a process that left congressional Democrats
 out of the loop.  "The president made a tactical mistake by 
thinking he could negotiate with the minority members of the Senate and 
think that's good public policy," she said. "Last time I checked, we 
didn't have rings in our noses."
Obama's circumvention of 
Democrats led to a raucous meeting Thursday of the House Democratic 
Caucus, which emerged with a message of opposition to the president's 
plan.
"It was very animated," Speier said of the meeting. "It's about core values. And they have just been uprooted and tossed aside...."

Speier
 also thought it was rich that, following months of talk about bringing 
the national debt under control, the president and Republicans are 
planning to add nearly $1 trillion to the debt with money, she said, 
borrowed from China.
"You just declared bankruptcy, and you're going out on a shopping spree," she said.
 		 	   		  
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Mon Dec 13 10:19:58 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:58 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Early Call For Monthly Meeting Agenda Items
In-Reply-To: <4D05A2FB.9050303@aceweb.com>
References: <48f1a.196e05d0.3a36860b@aol.com> <4D05A2FB.9050303@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <4D0663CE.2030804@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Tian, et al.:


       I assume I'm the guilty party regarding "large" attachments.  
With dial up, almost any attachment is "large" and painful.  With the 
more common DSL or even higher speed connections, I don't think the 
attachments I tried to send to this list would be considered "large".


       I think we could potentially make faster progress toward group 
goals if we could find a way to share draft documents.  I apologize if 
the pain inflicted by my distribution method exceeded the potential value.


       Has anyone used Google Docs?  I've heard it suggested for 
collaborative document development, but I haven't used it.


       Best Wishes,
       Spencer


On 12/12/2010 8:37 PM, Tian Harter wrote:
> One thing we need to talk about is the posting of large attachments to 
> our discussion list.
>
> WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
>> Happy Holidaze GPSCC!!!
>>
>> At the November meeting I volunteered to compile the agenda for our 
>> January 2011 monthly meeting Wednesday, January 5th.  Please begin 
>> thinking about what you want discussed or reported at that first 
>> meeting of 2011.
>>
>> Warner
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From jamboi at greens.org  Tue Dec 14 07:43:54 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:43:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The Ubuntu Hour: Mountain View  Dec 16th 7-8pm,
	and other dates
Message-ID: <37237.69.236.161.137.1292341434.squirrel@greens.org>

Join us for The Ubuntu Hour: light socializing and help with getting your
PC (or Mac) running on Ubuntu GNU/Linux.  BTW, These are awesome
opportunities to influence some young adults (and not so young adults) for
the Green Party, and in turn make an excellent model for us to create a
similar thing we might call "The Green Hour" to spread the goodness of our
Green Party.  Also ask me about GreenTu, a mutual benefit collective for
F.L.O.S.S. (Free/Libre Open Source Software) on all personal computers
(especially but not only including Linux) tek help.

Th Dec 16th - Mountain View, Dec 16, 2010
Come join us for Silicon Valley's Ubuntu Hour #5 (Mountain View, so rev
0.3.5)

    * Date: 3rd Thursday: December 16, 2010
      Time: 7ish-8pmish
      Red Rock Coffee: 2nd floor
      201 Castro St.
      Mountain View, CA 94041
      (650) 967-4473
      Details and RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/586/detail/
      A few blocks from Caltrain, VTA bus and light rail. They have
sandwiches, free wifi and coffee shop type drinks.

Also we'll have our first Santa Cruz edition of: The Lindependence/Ubuntu
Hour: (ie. the same thing except inclusive of other GNU/Linux
Distributions in addition to the #1 market leading Ubuntu, such as #2
Fedora and #3 Mint, etc.).  Fellow Green Larry Cafiero and i are
partnering to start this.

    * Date: Last Wednesday of the month: Dec 29th
      Time: 6ish-7ish
      Santa Cruz
      Details and RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/574/detail/

And finally a brand new location, Palo Alto

    * Last Thursday of the Month: Dec 30th
      Palo Alto:
      Details TBD, probably either on/near California Ave (preferred) or
University Ave.  if you have ideas, preferrences, please e-mail or
call them to me.

Green is Go!
Drew Johnson
vm: 408 . 520 . 1652



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 14 10:12:58 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:12:58 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nader on Sanders
Message-ID: <4D07B3AA.6020007@earthlink.net>


FYI,

A short article by Ralph Nader on Bernie Sanders' speech.
It includes some highlights from the speech which are
truths inconvenient to the plutocracy and Obama.

"Majority of One"
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/12/14-6

Gerry



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 14 22:39:54 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:39:54 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] An Open Letter to the Left Establishment
In-Reply-To: <087c01cb9c1e$1e8a8ea0$5b9fabe0$@browning@stanford.edu>
References: <087c01cb9c1e$1e8a8ea0$5b9fabe0$@browning@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W183C232F3941049F22F5909E140@phx.gbl>


 Friday 10 December 2010

by: By Chris Hedges, Cornell West, Noam Chomsky, et. al., t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

An Open Letter to the Left Establishment

http://www.ProtestObama.org

A Call for Active Support of Protest to Michael Moore, Norman Solomon, Katrina van den Heuvel, Michael Eric Dyson, Barbara Ehrenreich, Thomas Frank, Tom Hayden, Bill Fletcher Jr., Jesse Jackson Jr., and other high profile progressive supporters of the Obama electoral campaign.

With the Obama administration beginning its third year, it is by now painfully obvious that the predictions of even the most sober Obama supporters were overly optimistic. Rather than an ally, the administration has shown itself to be an implacable enemy of reform.

It has advanced repeated assaults on the New Deal safety net (including the previously sacrosanct Social Security trust fund), jettisoned any hope for substantive health care reform, attacked civil rights and environmental protections, and expanded a massive bailout further enriching an already bloated financial services and insurance industry. It has continued the occupation of Iraq and and expanded the war in Afghanistan as well as our government's covert and overt wars in South Asia and across the globe.

Along the way, the Obama administration, which referred to us on the left as ?f***ing retarded? individuals who required ?drug testing,? stepped up the prosecution of federal war crime whistleblowers, and unleashed the FBI on those protesting the escalation of an insane war.

Obama?s recent announcement of a federal worker pay freeze is cynical, mean-spirited ?deficit-reduction theater?. Slashing Bush?s plutocratic tax cuts would have made a much more significant contribution to deficit reduction but all signs are that the ?progressive? president will cave to Republican demands for the preservation of George W. Bush?s tax breaks for the wealthy Few. Instead Obama?s tax cut plan would raise taxes for the poorest people in our country.

The election of Obama has not galvanized protest movements. To the contrary, it has depressed and undermined them, with the White House playing an active role in the discouragement and suppression of dissent ? with disastrous consequences. The almost complete absence of protest from the left has emboldened the most right-wing elements inside and outside of the Obama administration to pursue and act on an ever more extreme agenda.

We are writing to you because, as well-known writers, bloggers and filmmakers with access to a range of old and new media, you have in your power the capacity to help reignite the movement which brought millions onto the streets in February of 2003 but which has withered ever since. There are many thousands of progressives who follow your work closely and are waiting for a cue from you and others to act. We are asking you to commit yourself to actively supporting the protests of Obama administration policies which are now beginning to materialize.

In this connection we would like to mention a specific protest: the civil disobedience action being planned by Veterans for Peace involving Chris Hedges, Daniel Ellsberg, Joel Kovel, Medea Benjamin, Ray McGovern, several armed service veterans and others to take place in front of the White House on Dec. 16th.

Should you commit yourselves to backing this action and others sure to materialize in weeks and months ahead, what would otherwise be regarded as an emotional outburst of the ?fringe left? will have a better chance of being seen as expressing the will of a substantial majority not only of the left, but of the American public at large. We believe that your support will help create the climate for larger and increasingly disruptive expressions of dissent ? a development that is sorely needed and long overdue.

We hope that we can count on you to exercise the leadership that is required of all of us in these desperate times.

Best Regards,

Sen. James Abourezk
Michael Albert
Rocky Anderson
Jared Ball
Russell Banks
Thomas Bias
Noam Chomsky
Bruce Dixon
Frank Dorrel
Gidon Eshel
Jamilla El-Shafei
Okla Elliott
Norman Finkelstein
Glen Ford
Joshua Frank
Margaret Flowers M.D.
John Gerassi
Henry Giroux
Matt Gonzalez
Kevin Alexander Gray
Judd Greenstein
DeeDee Halleck
John Halle
Chris Hedges
Doug Henwood
Edward S. Herman
Dahr Jamail
Louis Kampf
Allison Kilkenny
Jamie Kilstein
Joel Kovel
Mark Kurlansky
Peter Linebaugh
Scott McLarty
Cynthia McKinney
Dede Miller
Russell Mokhiber
Bobby Muller
Christian Parenti
Michael Perelman
Peter Phillips
Louis Proyect
Ted Rall
Michael Ratner
Cindy Sheehan
Chris Spannos
Paul Street
Sunil Sharma
Jeffrey St. Clair
Len Weinglass
Cornel West
Sherry Wolf
Michael Yates
Mickey Z
Kevin Zeese

Please sign the Open Letter to the Left Establishment. 		 	   		  
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From wrolley at REFPUB.COM  Wed Dec 15 07:37:05 2010
From: wrolley at REFPUB.COM (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:37:05 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] To Mosque or not to Mosque
Message-ID: <4D08E0A1.1080906@REFPUB.COM>

The Morgan Hill Times is running a one question poll on their home page:

Do you support building a Mosque in San Martin?
Current results with 341 responses... 76% voting "No".  24% voting "yes".

Islamophovia or only zenophobia.

Recently I have been seeing TV ads that say we have too much 
immigration.  They separate the ill from Legal and make is appear to 
only about jobs.




From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Wed Dec 15 08:16:23 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:16:23 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] To Mosque or not to Mosque
In-Reply-To: <4D08E0A1.1080906@REFPUB.COM>
References: <4D08E0A1.1080906@REFPUB.COM>
Message-ID: <4D08E9D7.4030007@prodsyse.com>

       No more the land of the brave and home of the free, but the land 
of the fearful and cowardly.


       I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all, unrestricted 
to the flag of the United States of America, because when we allow that 
restriction, we give license to corrupt politicians and media executives 
to support state terror around the world, destroying opportunities for a 
better life for poor people in their home countries, converting their 
dreams of a better life into dreams of coming to the US or Europe.


       Spencer


On 12/15/2010 7:37 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:
> The Morgan Hill Times is running a one question poll on their home page:
>
> Do you support building a Mosque in San Martin?
> Current results with 341 responses... 76% voting "No".  24% voting "yes".
>
> Islamophovia or only zenophobia.
>
> Recently I have been seeing TV ads that say we have too much 
> immigration.  They separate the ill from Legal and make is appear to 
> only about jobs.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Wed Dec 15 08:17:45 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:17:45 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Iowa may bring criminal charges in foreclosures scandal
Message-ID: <4D08EA29.6010007@prodsyse.com>

Hello:


       Please see the excerpt and web link below regarding possible 
criminal prosecutions in the robo-signing scandal.  If we act 
appropriately to support coalitions on this issue, I believe this issue 
could decimate both the Republican and Democratic parties.


       What do you think about trying to work with MoveOn and other 
groups to help organize a national (and maybe international) campaign to 
pressure prosecutors to seriously investigate "banking irregularities" 
such as the robo-signing scandal.  The "robo-signers" reportedly signed 
documents whereby they swore "under penalty of perjury" that certain 
procedures had been followed that clearly had not been followed.  Per 
Wikipedia, perjury is a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison.  I 
sympathize with the low level banking employees who signed those 
documents, but I also sympathize with the individual home owners who are 
being deprived of their homes, illegally it now appears.  The 
investigations should NOT stop with the low level bank employees who 
signed those documents:  It should also extend all the way up the 
management chain right to the senior executives, who awarded themselves 
millions of taxpayer dollars for successfully stampeding the politicians 
into massive corporate welfare, because evidently, the middle managers 
and senior executives conspired to commit thousands of cases of perjury. 
  Ignorance of the law is no excuse:  Whether they did or not, they 
should have known that they were pushing low level employees, under 
threat of losing their jobs or at least missing the next pay raise and 
promotion, to commit perjury.


       Similarly, I believe this movement should demand that prosecutors 
similarly investigate conspiracy to defraud the public when they 
encouraged loan applicants to lie in their applications for what are now 
called "Liars' loans":  Such actions by banking executives constituted 
conspiracy to commit fraud at a level that amounted to grand larceny of 
trillions of dollars world wide, forcing millions of people in the US to 
lose their jobs, their homes, their dreams of providing a college 
education for their children, etc.  By comparison, grand theft auto is 
minor.


       By Kay Henderson
DES MOINES, Iowa | Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:34pm EST
(Reuters) - Iowa's attorney general, who is leading a nationwide probe 
of questionable home foreclosures, met with struggling homeowners on 
Tuesday and said he may bring criminal charges in his state.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD6JT20101214



       Comments?
       Spencer

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567


From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 15 11:20:09 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:20:09 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item(s) for 1-5-2011
Message-ID: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net>

Goals and priorities for the coming year.

Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
with the information they provide, what action to take.




From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Dec 15 11:26:35 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:26:35 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile]
Message-ID: <4D09166B.5060001@aceweb.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile
Date: 	Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:09:30 EST
From: 	TNHarter at aol.com
To: 	undisclosed-recipients:;




  >
  > * Sven A. Beiker, PhD
                       *
  > * The Future of the Automobile*
  >
  > Sven Beiker is Executive Director, Center for Automotive Research at
  > Stanford (CARS), the interdisciplinary automotive affiliates program
  > at Stanford University. The vision of CARS is to create a community
  > of faculty and students from a range of disciplines at Stanford with
  > leading industry researchers to radically re-envision the automobile
  > for unprecedented levels of safety, performance, sustainability, and
  > enjoyment. Their mission is to discover, build, and deploy the
  > critical ideas and innovations for the next generation of cars and
  > drivers.
  >
  > Before joining Stanford University, Sven worked at the BMW Group for
  > more than 13 years, and has worked in three major automotive and
  > technology locations: Germany, Silicon Valley, and Detroit. Since
  > Spring 2009 Sven has been teaching a Stanford class on "The Future
  > of the Automobile" to educate students in interdisciplinary
  > automotive thinking and to get them involved with the industry
  > early on.
  >
  > Sven will describe his work at CARS to bring research with automotive
  > interest from industry and academia together, and his vision for the
  > automobile's future.
  >
Sven began by giving us a brief history of the automobile, starting with
the first true self powered and steered car back in 1885 in Germany.
He explained that in those early days there was lots of debate about
engine configuration, steering and so forth. The second period of car
history change was driven by different drive trains, chassis, and options.
These matters have been mostly mature technologies since the 1970s.
More recently safety issues, driver assistance, and crash safety have
been factors in changing car design.

Moving forward, the main challenges for car design that CARS have
identified are safety (last year 1,200,000 people died in traffic
Accidents worldwide and 34,000 in the United States), efficiency
(last year the average commuter spent 36 hours per year stuck in
traffic), pollution (last year 1.9 million tons of CO2 were emitted
by the transportation sector), and cost (the average consumer
spends $8,758 per year for transportation).

Driver assistance is one area where Sven sees a lot of room for
innovation. One reason is that human error plays a role in many
accidents. Another is that computers can run the engine of a car
much more efficiently than most drives. Another thing is that the
legal challenges involved with a self driving car give the auto industry
nightmares. The liability is unclear in case of an accident. Car companies
are already releasing cars with things like adaptive cruise control that
came from driver assistance research. Sven expects more of that in
the future.

Electric drive is more efficient than internal combustion engines,
if you look at just one car and its power source. The problem is that
there are many questions to be answered about where to get the
power for millions of cars. That is an area where a lot of research
is still to be done.

Connectivity is another area where a lot of research is being done.
Areas such as vehicle to vehicle (V2V) communication and vehicle
to infrastructure (V2I) are being explored to find ways to add to the
safety of driving. A big stumbling block is the question "who will pay
for the infrastructure upgrades?" There are regulatory decisions
about that coming in the 2013 time frame. In the mean time, cell
phones are turning out to be good interfaces for many needs.

Looking forward, Sven expects plug in hybrid cars to become more
common by 2020 while it remains to be seen how battery electric
vehicle will catch on.

Tian Harter

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 11:42:22 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:42:22 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile]
In-Reply-To: <4D09166B.5060001@aceweb.com>
References: <4D09166B.5060001@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W276EADED388B91248B63879E140@phx.gbl>




     Did he mention the fact that the immediate beneficiaries of the Autonomous Vehicle 
work the CARS program is doing will obviously be the military, who can use it to create
driverless vehicles with infra-red vision to go around killing everything with a pulse?  Did
he mention that it will enable such vehicles to be disposable?

    I bet he doesn't like to think about that.  I don't know how those people sleep at
night.   Stanford is getting to be famous for some really shameful stuff--Rehnquist, 
O'Connor, Rice, and now robot suicide bombers.




 












> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:26:35 -0800
> From: tnharter at aceweb.com
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile]
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	[TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile
> Date: 	Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:09:30 EST
> From: 	TNHarter at aol.com
> To: 	undisclosed-recipients:;
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   >
>   > * Sven A. Beiker, PhD
>                        *
>   > * The Future of the Automobile*
>   >
>   > Sven Beiker is Executive Director, Center for Automotive Research at
>   > Stanford (CARS), the interdisciplinary automotive affiliates program
>   > at Stanford University. The vision of CARS is to create a community
>   > of faculty and students from a range of disciplines at Stanford with
>   > leading industry researchers to radically re-envision the automobile
>   > for unprecedented levels of safety, performance, sustainability, and
>   > enjoyment. Their mission is to discover, build, and deploy the
>   > critical ideas and innovations for the next generation of cars and
>   > drivers.
>   >
>   > Before joining Stanford University, Sven worked at the BMW Group for
>   > more than 13 years, and has worked in three major automotive and
>   > technology locations: Germany, Silicon Valley, and Detroit. Since
>   > Spring 2009 Sven has been teaching a Stanford class on "The Future
>   > of the Automobile" to educate students in interdisciplinary
>   > automotive thinking and to get them involved with the industry
>   > early on.
>   >
>   > Sven will describe his work at CARS to bring research with automotive
>   > interest from industry and academia together, and his vision for the
>   > automobile's future.
>   >
> Sven began by giving us a brief history of the automobile, starting with
> the first true self powered and steered car back in 1885 in Germany.
> He explained that in those early days there was lots of debate about
> engine configuration, steering and so forth. The second period of car
> history change was driven by different drive trains, chassis, and options.
> These matters have been mostly mature technologies since the 1970s.
> More recently safety issues, driver assistance, and crash safety have
> been factors in changing car design.
> 
> Moving forward, the main challenges for car design that CARS have
> identified are safety (last year 1,200,000 people died in traffic
> Accidents worldwide and 34,000 in the United States), efficiency
> (last year the average commuter spent 36 hours per year stuck in
> traffic), pollution (last year 1.9 million tons of CO2 were emitted
> by the transportation sector), and cost (the average consumer
> spends $8,758 per year for transportation).
> 
> Driver assistance is one area where Sven sees a lot of room for
> innovation. One reason is that human error plays a role in many
> accidents. Another is that computers can run the engine of a car
> much more efficiently than most drives. Another thing is that the
> legal challenges involved with a self driving car give the auto industry
> nightmares. The liability is unclear in case of an accident. Car companies
> are already releasing cars with things like adaptive cruise control that
> came from driver assistance research. Sven expects more of that in
> the future.
> 
> Electric drive is more efficient than internal combustion engines,
> if you look at just one car and its power source. The problem is that
> there are many questions to be answered about where to get the
> power for millions of cars. That is an area where a lot of research
> is still to be done.
> 
> Connectivity is another area where a lot of research is being done.
> Areas such as vehicle to vehicle (V2V) communication and vehicle
> to infrastructure (V2I) are being explored to find ways to add to the
> safety of driving. A big stumbling block is the question "who will pay
> for the infrastructure upgrades?" There are regulatory decisions
> about that coming in the 2013 time frame. In the mean time, cell
> phones are turning out to be good interfaces for many needs.
> 
> Looking forward, Sven expects plug in hybrid cars to become more
> common by 2020 while it remains to be seen how battery electric
> vehicle will catch on.
> 
> Tian Harter
> 
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Dec 15 12:19:50 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:19:50 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile]
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W276EADED388B91248B63879E140@phx.gbl>
References: <4D09166B.5060001@aceweb.com>
	<BAY140-W276EADED388B91248B63879E140@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D0922E6.2010304@aceweb.com>

Nope. Not a word about anything in your first paragraph. He did say that
it's unlikely autonomous cars will be regular sights on the road soon,
mainly because of the liability issues. He said that vision for robots
under the hood is a problem for cars because it's hard to keep the
sensors clean over the typical life of a car.

He did say that between him and his wife, they put an average of 6,000
miles on the family car "because driving isn't fun the way it once was."
I liked that answer.

The guys background was in cars for the public. He didn't sound like
part of the Rice network.

Tian

Brian Good wrote:
> 
> 
>      Did he mention the fact that the immediate beneficiaries of the 
> Autonomous Vehicle
> work the CARS program is doing will obviously be the military, who can 
> use it to create
> driverless vehicles with infra-red vision to go around killing 
> everything with a pulse?  Did
> he mention that it will enable such vehicles to be disposable?
> 
>     I bet he doesn't like to think about that.  I don't know how those 
> people sleep at
> night.   Stanford is getting to be famous for some really shameful 
> stuff--Rehnquist,
> O'Connor, Rice, and now robot suicide bombers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:26:35 -0800
>  > From: tnharter at aceweb.com
>  > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>  > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile]
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > -------- Original Message --------
>  > Subject: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile
>  > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:09:30 EST
>  > From: TNHarter at aol.com
>  > To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > >
>  > > * Sven A. Beiker, PhD
>  > *
>  > > * The Future of the Automobile*
>  > >
>  > > Sven Beiker is Executive Director, Center for Automotive Research at
>  > > Stanford (CARS), the interdisciplinary automotive affiliates program
>  > > at Stanford University. The vision of CARS is to create a community
>  > > of faculty and students from a range of disciplines at Stanford with
>  > > leading industry researchers to radically re-envision the automobile
>  > > for unprecedented levels of safety, performance, sustainability, and
>  > > enjoyment. Their mission is to discover, build, and deploy the
>  > > critical ideas and innovations for the next generation of cars and
>  > > drivers.
>  > >
>  > > Before joining Stanford University, Sven worked at the BMW Group for
>  > > more than 13 years, and has worked in three major automotive and
>  > > technology locations: Germany, Silicon Valley, and Detroit. Since
>  > > Spring 2009 Sven has been teaching a Stanford class on "The Future
>  > > of the Automobile" to educate students in interdisciplinary
>  > > automotive thinking and to get them involved with the industry
>  > > early on.
>  > >
>  > > Sven will describe his work at CARS to bring research with automotive
>  > > interest from industry and academia together, and his vision for the
>  > > automobile's future.
>  > >
>  > Sven began by giving us a brief history of the automobile, starting with
>  > the first true self powered and steered car back in 1885 in Germany.
>  > He explained that in those early days there was lots of debate about
>  > engine configuration, steering and so forth. The second period of car
>  > history change was driven by different drive trains, chassis, and 
> options.
>  > These matters have been mostly mature technologies since the 1970s.
>  > More recently safety issues, driver assistance, and crash safety have
>  > been factors in changing car design.
>  >
>  > Moving forward, the main challenges for car design that CARS have
>  > identified are safety (last year 1,200,000 people died in traffic
>  > Accidents worldwide and 34,000 in the United States), efficiency
>  > (last year the average commuter spent 36 hours per year stuck in
>  > traffic), pollution (last year 1.9 million tons of CO2 were emitted
>  > by the transportation sector), and cost (the average consumer
>  > spends $8,758 per year for transportation).
>  >
>  > Driver assistance is one area where Sven sees a lot of room for
>  > innovation. One reason is that human error plays a role in many
>  > accidents. Another is that computers can run the engine of a car
>  > much more efficiently than most drives. Another thing is that the
>  > legal challenges involved with a self driving car give the auto industry
>  > nightmares. The liability is unclear in case of an accident. Car 
> companies
>  > are already releasing cars with things like adaptive cruise control that
>  > came from driver assistance research. Sven expects more of that in
>  > the future.
>  >
>  > Electric drive is more efficient than internal combustion engines,
>  > if you look at just one car and its power source. The problem is that
>  > there are many questions to be answered about where to get the
>  > power for millions of cars. That is an area where a lot of research
>  > is still to be done.
>  >
>  > Connectivity is another area where a lot of research is being done.
>  > Areas such as vehicle to vehicle (V2V) communication and vehicle
>  > to infrastructure (V2I) are being explored to find ways to add to the
>  > safety of driving. A big stumbling block is the question "who will pay
>  > for the infrastructure upgrades?" There are regulatory decisions
>  > about that coming in the 2013 time frame. In the mean time, cell
>  > phones are turning out to be good interfaces for many needs.
>  >
>  > Looking forward, Sven expects plug in hybrid cars to become more
>  > common by 2020 while it remains to be seen how battery electric
>  > vehicle will catch on.
>  >
>  > Tian Harter
>  >
>  > --
>  > Tian
>  > http://tian.greens.org
>  > Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
>  > The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>  > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>  > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.


From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Dec 15 12:22:29 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:22:29 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item(s) for 1-5-2011
In-Reply-To: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com>

policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.

Jim Doyle wrote:
> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
> 
> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
> with the information they provide, what action to take.
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.


From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com  Wed Dec 15 04:26:36 2010
From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:26:36 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Iowa may bring criminal charges in foreclosures scandal
Message-ID: <4D08B3FC.1080104@structuremonitoring.com>

Hello:


       Please see the excerpt and web link below regarding possible 
criminal prosecutions in the robo-signing scandal.  If we act 
appropriately to support coalitions on this issue, I believe this issue 
could decimate both the Republican and Democratic parties.


       What do you think about trying to work with MoveOn and other 
groups to help organize a national (and maybe international) campaign to 
pressure prosecutors to seriously investigate "banking irregularities" 
such as the robo-signing scandal.  The "robo-signers" reportedly signed 
documents whereby they swore "under penalty of perjury" that certain 
procedures had been followed that clearly had not been followed.  Per 
Wikipedia, perjury is a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison.  I 
sympathize with the low level banking employees who signed those 
documents, but I also sympathize with the individual home owners who are 
being deprived of their homes, illegally it now appears.  The 
investigations should NOT stop with the low level bank employees who 
signed those documents:  It should also extend all the way up the 
management chain right to the senior executives, who awarded themselves 
millions of taxpayer dollars for successfully stampeding the politicians 
into massive corporate welfare, because evidently, the middle managers 
and senior executives conspired to commit thousands of cases of 
perjury.  Ignorance of the law is no excuse:  Whether they did or not, 
they should have known that they were pushing low level employees, under 
threat of losing their jobs or at least missing the next pay raise and 
promotion, to commit perjury.


       Similarly, I believe this movement should demand that prosecutors 
similarly investigate conspiracy to defraud the public when they 
encouraged loan applicants to lie in their applications for what are now 
called "Liars' loans":  Such actions by banking executives constituted 
conspiracy to commit fraud at a level that amounted to grand larceny of 
trillions of dollars world wide, forcing millions of people in the US to 
lose their jobs, their homes, their dreams of providing a college 
education for their children, etc.  By comparison, grand theft auto is 
minor.


       By Kay Henderson
DES MOINES, Iowa | Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:34pm EST
(Reuters) - Iowa's attorney general, who is leading a nationwide probe 
of questionable home foreclosures, met with struggling homeowners on 
Tuesday and said he may bring criminal charges in his state.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD6JT20101214



       Comments?
       Spencer

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 12:39:41 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:39:41 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile]
In-Reply-To: <4D0922E6.2010304@aceweb.com>
References: <4D09166B.5060001@aceweb.com>,
	<BAY140-W276EADED388B91248B63879E140@phx.gbl>,
	<4D0922E6.2010304@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W200AD694B7604C362878959E140@phx.gbl>




   I'm sure Steven G. Bradbury doesn't sound like part of the Rice network, either.
He used to live at the hippie commune Synergy House.  But that didn't stop him
from writing memos at the DoJ Office of Legal Counsel that authorized enhanced
interrogations.

  These Good Germans make me sick.






> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:19:50 -0800
> From: tnharter at aceweb.com
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile]
> 
> Nope. Not a word about anything in your first paragraph. He did say that
> it's unlikely autonomous cars will be regular sights on the road soon,
> mainly because of the liability issues. He said that vision for robots
> under the hood is a problem for cars because it's hard to keep the
> sensors clean over the typical life of a car.
> 
> He did say that between him and his wife, they put an average of 6,000
> miles on the family car "because driving isn't fun the way it once was."
> I liked that answer.
> 
> The guys background was in cars for the public. He didn't sound like
> part of the Rice network.
> 
> Tian
> 
> Brian Good wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >      Did he mention the fact that the immediate beneficiaries of the 
> > Autonomous Vehicle
> > work the CARS program is doing will obviously be the military, who can 
> > use it to create
> > driverless vehicles with infra-red vision to go around killing 
> > everything with a pulse?  Did
> > he mention that it will enable such vehicles to be disposable?
> > 
> >     I bet he doesn't like to think about that.  I don't know how those 
> > people sleep at
> > night.   Stanford is getting to be famous for some really shameful 
> > stuff--Rehnquist,
> > O'Connor, Rice, and now robot suicide bombers.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:26:35 -0800
> >  > From: tnharter at aceweb.com
> >  > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >  > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile]
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > -------- Original Message --------
> >  > Subject: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile
> >  > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:09:30 EST
> >  > From: TNHarter at aol.com
> >  > To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > >
> >  > > * Sven A. Beiker, PhD
> >  > *
> >  > > * The Future of the Automobile*
> >  > >
> >  > > Sven Beiker is Executive Director, Center for Automotive Research at
> >  > > Stanford (CARS), the interdisciplinary automotive affiliates program
> >  > > at Stanford University. The vision of CARS is to create a community
> >  > > of faculty and students from a range of disciplines at Stanford with
> >  > > leading industry researchers to radically re-envision the automobile
> >  > > for unprecedented levels of safety, performance, sustainability, and
> >  > > enjoyment. Their mission is to discover, build, and deploy the
> >  > > critical ideas and innovations for the next generation of cars and
> >  > > drivers.
> >  > >
> >  > > Before joining Stanford University, Sven worked at the BMW Group for
> >  > > more than 13 years, and has worked in three major automotive and
> >  > > technology locations: Germany, Silicon Valley, and Detroit. Since
> >  > > Spring 2009 Sven has been teaching a Stanford class on "The Future
> >  > > of the Automobile" to educate students in interdisciplinary
> >  > > automotive thinking and to get them involved with the industry
> >  > > early on.
> >  > >
> >  > > Sven will describe his work at CARS to bring research with automotive
> >  > > interest from industry and academia together, and his vision for the
> >  > > automobile's future.
> >  > >
> >  > Sven began by giving us a brief history of the automobile, starting with
> >  > the first true self powered and steered car back in 1885 in Germany.
> >  > He explained that in those early days there was lots of debate about
> >  > engine configuration, steering and so forth. The second period of car
> >  > history change was driven by different drive trains, chassis, and 
> > options.
> >  > These matters have been mostly mature technologies since the 1970s.
> >  > More recently safety issues, driver assistance, and crash safety have
> >  > been factors in changing car design.
> >  >
> >  > Moving forward, the main challenges for car design that CARS have
> >  > identified are safety (last year 1,200,000 people died in traffic
> >  > Accidents worldwide and 34,000 in the United States), efficiency
> >  > (last year the average commuter spent 36 hours per year stuck in
> >  > traffic), pollution (last year 1.9 million tons of CO2 were emitted
> >  > by the transportation sector), and cost (the average consumer
> >  > spends $8,758 per year for transportation).
> >  >
> >  > Driver assistance is one area where Sven sees a lot of room for
> >  > innovation. One reason is that human error plays a role in many
> >  > accidents. Another is that computers can run the engine of a car
> >  > much more efficiently than most drives. Another thing is that the
> >  > legal challenges involved with a self driving car give the auto industry
> >  > nightmares. The liability is unclear in case of an accident. Car 
> > companies
> >  > are already releasing cars with things like adaptive cruise control that
> >  > came from driver assistance research. Sven expects more of that in
> >  > the future.
> >  >
> >  > Electric drive is more efficient than internal combustion engines,
> >  > if you look at just one car and its power source. The problem is that
> >  > there are many questions to be answered about where to get the
> >  > power for millions of cars. That is an area where a lot of research
> >  > is still to be done.
> >  >
> >  > Connectivity is another area where a lot of research is being done.
> >  > Areas such as vehicle to vehicle (V2V) communication and vehicle
> >  > to infrastructure (V2I) are being explored to find ways to add to the
> >  > safety of driving. A big stumbling block is the question "who will pay
> >  > for the infrastructure upgrades?" There are regulatory decisions
> >  > about that coming in the 2013 time frame. In the mean time, cell
> >  > phones are turning out to be good interfaces for many needs.
> >  >
> >  > Looking forward, Sven expects plug in hybrid cars to become more
> >  > common by 2020 while it remains to be seen how battery electric
> >  > vehicle will catch on.
> >  >
> >  > Tian Harter
> >  >
> >  > --
> >  > Tian
> >  > http://tian.greens.org
> >  > Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
> >  > The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
> >  > _______________________________________________
> >  > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> >  > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> >  > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 15 13:02:49 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:02:49 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile]
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W200AD694B7604C362878959E140@phx.gbl>
References: <4D09166B.5060001@aceweb.com>,
	<BAY140-W276EADED388B91248B63879E140@phx.gbl>,
	<4D0922E6.2010304@aceweb.com>
	<BAY140-W200AD694B7604C362878959E140@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D092CF9.5010503@earthlink.net>


Maybe it is time to call then Good Americans.  There are
probably more of them than there were good Germans.
(I say that based on the fact that the population of
the U.S. is much greater than the population of Germany,
about 300,000,000 vs. 90,000,000.)

Gerry


Brian Good wrote:
>
>
> I'm sure Steven G. Bradbury doesn't sound like part of the Rice network,
> either.
> He used to live at the hippie commune Synergy House. But that didn't
> stop him
> from writing memos at the DoJ Office of Legal Counsel that authorized
> enhanced
> interrogations.
>
> These Good Germans make me sick.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:19:50 -0800
>  > From: tnharter at aceweb.com
>  > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>  > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the
> Automobile]
>  >
>  > Nope. Not a word about anything in your first paragraph. He did say that
>  > it's unlikely autonomous cars will be regular sights on the road soon,
>  > mainly because of the liability issues. He said that vision for robots
>  > under the hood is a problem for cars because it's hard to keep the
>  > sensors clean over the typical life of a car.
>  >
>  > He did say that between him and his wife, they put an average of 6,000
>  > miles on the family car "because driving isn't fun the way it once was."
>  > I liked that answer.
>  >
>  > The guys background was in cars for the public. He didn't sound like
>  > part of the Rice network.
>  >
>  > Tian
>  >
>  > Brian Good wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Did he mention the fact that the immediate beneficiaries of the
>  > > Autonomous Vehicle
>  > > work the CARS program is doing will obviously be the military, who can
>  > > use it to create
>  > > driverless vehicles with infra-red vision to go around killing
>  > > everything with a pulse? Did
>  > > he mention that it will enable such vehicles to be disposable?
>  > >
>  > > I bet he doesn't like to think about that. I don't know how those
>  > > people sleep at
>  > > night. Stanford is getting to be famous for some really shameful
>  > > stuff--Rehnquist,
>  > > O'Connor, Rice, and now robot suicide bombers.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:26:35 -0800
>  > > > From: tnharter at aceweb.com
>  > > > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>  > > > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the
> Automobile]
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > -------- Original Message --------
>  > > > Subject: [TASC Notes:] The Future of the Automobile
>  > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:09:30 EST
>  > > > From: TNHarter at aol.com
>  > > > To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > * Sven A. Beiker, PhD
>  > > > *
>  > > > > * The Future of the Automobile*
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Sven Beiker is Executive Director, Center for Automotive
> Research at
>  > > > > Stanford (CARS), the interdisciplinary automotive affiliates
> program
>  > > > > at Stanford University. The vision of CARS is to create a community
>  > > > > of faculty and students from a range of disciplines at Stanford
> with
>  > > > > leading industry researchers to radically re-envision the
> automobile
>  > > > > for unprecedented levels of safety, performance,
> sustainability, and
>  > > > > enjoyment. Their mission is to discover, build, and deploy the
>  > > > > critical ideas and innovations for the next generation of cars and
>  > > > > drivers.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Before joining Stanford University, Sven worked at the BMW
> Group for
>  > > > > more than 13 years, and has worked in three major automotive and
>  > > > > technology locations: Germany, Silicon Valley, and Detroit. Since
>  > > > > Spring 2009 Sven has been teaching a Stanford class on "The Future
>  > > > > of the Automobile" to educate students in interdisciplinary
>  > > > > automotive thinking and to get them involved with the industry
>  > > > > early on.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Sven will describe his work at CARS to bring research with
> automotive
>  > > > > interest from industry and academia together, and his vision
> for the
>  > > > > automobile's future.
>  > > > >
>  > > > Sven began by giving us a brief history of the automobile,
> starting with
>  > > > the first true self powered and steered car back in 1885 in Germany.
>  > > > He explained that in those early days there was lots of debate about
>  > > > engine configuration, steering and so forth. The second period of car
>  > > > history change was driven by different drive trains, chassis, and
>  > > options.
>  > > > These matters have been mostly mature technologies since the 1970s.
>  > > > More recently safety issues, driver assistance, and crash safety have
>  > > > been factors in changing car design.
>  > > >
>  > > > Moving forward, the main challenges for car design that CARS have
>  > > > identified are safety (last year 1,200,000 people died in traffic
>  > > > Accidents worldwide and 34,000 in the United States), efficiency
>  > > > (last year the average commuter spent 36 hours per year stuck in
>  > > > traffic), pollution (last year 1.9 million tons of CO2 were emitted
>  > > > by the transportation sector), and cost (the average consumer
>  > > > spends $8,758 per year for transportation).
>  > > >
>  > > > Driver assistance is one area where Sven sees a lot of room for
>  > > > innovation. One reason is that human error plays a role in many
>  > > > accidents. Another is that computers can run the engine of a car
>  > > > much more efficiently than most drives. Another thing is that the
>  > > > legal challenges involved with a self driving car give the auto
> industry
>  > > > nightmares. The liability is unclear in case of an accident. Car
>  > > companies
>  > > > are already releasing cars with things like adaptive cruise
> control that
>  > > > came from driver assistance research. Sven expects more of that in
>  > > > the future.
>  > > >
>  > > > Electric drive is more efficient than internal combustion engines,
>  > > > if you look at just one car and its power source. The problem is that
>  > > > there are many questions to be answered about where to get the
>  > > > power for millions of cars. That is an area where a lot of research
>  > > > is still to be done.
>  > > >
>  > > > Connectivity is another area where a lot of research is being done.
>  > > > Areas such as vehicle to vehicle (V2V) communication and vehicle
>  > > > to infrastructure (V2I) are being explored to find ways to add to the
>  > > > safety of driving. A big stumbling block is the question "who
> will pay
>  > > > for the infrastructure upgrades?" There are regulatory decisions
>  > > > about that coming in the 2013 time frame. In the mean time, cell
>  > > > phones are turning out to be good interfaces for many needs.
>  > > >
>  > > > Looking forward, Sven expects plug in hybrid cars to become more
>  > > > common by 2020 while it remains to be seen how battery electric
>  > > > vehicle will catch on.
>  > > >
>  > > > Tian Harter
>  > > >
>  > > > --
>  > > > Tian
>  > > > http://tian.greens.org
>  > > > Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from
> junk mail.
>  > > > The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
>  > > > _______________________________________________
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>  > > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>  > > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  > >
>  > > _______________________________________________
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>  > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>  > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>  >
>  > --
>  > Tian
>  > http://tian.greens.org
>  > Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
>  > The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 17:46:06 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:46:06 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Dozens Leap to Their Deaths in Bangladeshi Garment
	Factory Fire
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W18EEB3A090CB87AF9FC42F9E150@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY140-W18EEB3A090CB87AF9FC42F9E150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W10B1C9251D53BF86027A5D9E150@phx.gbl>










  AP (Boston Globe) says a local journalist passed on reports that a locked gate in a stairway
trapped people.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2010/12/15/dozens_die_in_bangladesh_t_shirt_factory_fire/

  The Guardian says "The fire comes after repeated warnings about fire safety at factories
 making clothes for western retailers."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/bangladesh-clothes-factory-workers-jump-to-death



  The New Zealand Herald says the factory makes clothes for The GAP and JC Penny.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10694583
   The fire happened just four months before the 100th anniversary of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory firein New York City, in which 146 young garment workers died, many by leaping from the 9th floor.
   I guess I won't be shopping at the GAP in a big hurry.












 		 	   		  
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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 18:15:37 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:15:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda for Wed Jan 5rh GPSCC Meeting
Message-ID: <c40ed.176199b3.3a3ad049@aol.com>

 
GREEN  PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY 
Draft  Agenda for Monthly General Membership Meeting January 5,  2011 
San  Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose,  CA 
(Near  7th and San Fernando) 
6:30  pm ? Eat and chat 
7:30  pm ? Begin meeting 
Select  Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, and Vibeswatcher(s), Select 
Agenda Preparer  for next meeting (5 Minutes)   
Introductions  and Announcements (10 Minutes) 
Treasurer?s  Report (5 Minuts); Treasurer?s presentation of 2011 GPSCC 
projected budget and  general discussion of goals for 2011 (15 minutes) 
Report  on what are current policies for use of GPSCC email list ? Tian (5  
minutes) 
Need  to recruit new regional Coordinating Council member and alternate (10 
 minutes) 
Presentation  of expected 2011 tabling events; Report on status of tabling 
materials and  supplies  -- Jim Doyle (15  Minutes)  
Review  of draft banks and credit cards bookmarks ? Spencer (5  minutes) 
General  Discussion about 2012 and 2014 Elections ? Warner (20 Minutes)  
Revisit  question of hosting 2012 GPUS Presidential Nominating Convention ? 
Warner (10  Minutes) 
Discussion  re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do with 
the information  they provide, what action to take ? Jim Doyle (10 minutes)  
Unclear  ideas about some petition campaign to public prosecutors ? Spencer 
(5  minutes) 
(2  Hours Estimated Cumulative Times.  Goal:  Adjourn by 9:30  pm)  
Tabling Events  Addenda ? Needed for each item (not necessarily all at this 
 meeting): 
Confirm date and  location; Approval of fee payment (as applicable); 
Designation of coordinator(s)  and other volunteers
No  Tabling Events Reported As Of Preparation of This Agenda  
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From fredd at freeshell.org  Wed Dec 15 23:10:30 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:10:30 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda for Wed Jan 5rh GPSCC Meeting
In-Reply-To: <c40ed.176199b3.3a3ad049@aol.com>
References: <c40ed.176199b3.3a3ad049@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D09BB66.9030109@freeshell.org>

A question to address:  How can we do justice to such an extensive 
agenda in two- and-a-half hours?

Could we increase the number of meetings per year from 12 to 16?  Or 
could we hold some of the meetings on Saturdays?  Maybe every other 
meeting could be a dinner meeting, beginning at 6 pm and ending at 10:30 
pm.  (Food for thought.)

Fred

On 12/15/10 6:15 PM, WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
>
> *GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY*
>
> Draft Agenda for Monthly General Membership Meeting January 5, 2011
>
> San Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose, CA
>
> (Near 7th and San Fernando)
>
> 6:30 pm ? Eat and chat
>
> 7:30 pm ? Begin meeting
>
> Select Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, and Vibeswatcher(s), Select 
> Agenda Preparer for next meeting (5 Minutes)
>
> Introductions and Announcements (10 Minutes)
>
> Treasurer?s Report (5 Minuts); Treasurer?s presentation of 2011 GPSCC 
> projected budget and general discussion of goals for 2011 (15 minutes)
>
> Report on what are current policies for use of GPSCC email list ? Tian 
> (5 minutes)
>
> Need to recruit new regional Coordinating Council member and alternate 
> (10 minutes)
>
> Presentation of expected 2011 tabling events; Report on status of 
> tabling materials and supplies -- Jim Doyle (15 Minutes)
>
> Review of draft banks and credit cards bookmarks ? Spencer (5 minutes)
>
> General Discussion about 2012 and 2014 Elections ? Warner (20 Minutes)
>
> Revisit question of hosting 2012 GPUS Presidential Nominating 
> Convention ? Warner (10 Minutes)
>
> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do 
> with the information they provide, what action to take ? Jim Doyle (10 
> minutes)
>
> Unclear ideas about some petition campaign to public prosecutors ? 
> Spencer (5 minutes)
>
> (2 Hours Estimated Cumulative Times.Goal:Adjourn by 9:30 pm)
>
> Tabling Events Addenda ? Needed for each item (not necessarily all at 
> this meeting):
>
> Confirm date and location; Approval of fee payment (as applicable); 
> Designation of coordinator(s) and other volunteers
>
> No Tabling Events Reported As Of Preparation of This Agenda
>
> ###
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fredd at freeshell.org  Wed Dec 15 23:19:20 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:19:20 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War,
 Dec. 16 in DC, sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
Message-ID: <4D09BD78.5000100@freeshell.org>

FYI, this just dropped into my Inbox.

Fred D.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War, Dec. 16 in DC, 
sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
Date: 	Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:45:43 -0800 (PST)
From: 	Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
To: 	usgp-int at gp-us.org



(See also "An Open Letter to the Left Establishment"&  sign on, if you haven't already: http://protestobama.org)

Take a Stand for Peace!
Join the largest U.S. veteran-led civil resistance to war December 16.
http://www.stopthesewars.org

Rally at Lafayette Park, Washington, D.C., at 10 am
March to the White House for civil disobedience.


Call to Action:

During the Vietnam War, Martin Luther King called our government ?the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.? True then?and even more so today.

A few years before that, in 1964 Mario Savio made his great speech at Berkeley; at the end he says, ?There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can?t take part; you can?t even passively take part, and you?ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you?ve got to make it stop. And you?ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you?re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!?

There are children being orphaned, maimed or killed every day, in our name, with our tax dollars; there are soldiers and civilians dying or being maimed for life, in order to generate profits for the most odious imperialistic corporate war machine ever, again in our name. How long are we going to let this go on? Until it is too late, until this destructive machine destroys all of us and the planet to boot?

Wikileaks has revealed the documented horror of U.S. war-making, beyond what any of us imagined. It?s time veterans and others express our resistance directly and powerfully by putting ourselves on the line, once again?honestly, courageously and without one drop of apology for doing so. It is not we who are the murderers, torturers or pillagers of the earth.

Profit and power-hungry warmongers are destroying everything we hold dear and sacred.

In the early thirties, WW1 vets descended on Washington, D.C., to demand their promised bonuses, it being the depths of the Depression. General Douglas MacArthur and his sidekick Dwight Eisenhower disregarded President Herbert Hoover?s order and burned their encampment down and drove the vets out of town at bayonet point.

We are today?s bonus marchers, and we?re coming to claim our bonus?PEACE.

Join activist veterans marching in solidarity to the White House, refusing to move, demanding the end of U.S. wars, which includes U.S. support?financial and tactical?for the Israeli war machine as well.

If we can gather enough courageous souls, nonviolently refusing to leave the White House, willing to be dragged away and arrested if necessary, we will send a message that will be seen worldwide. ?End these wars ? now!? We will carry forward a flame of resistance to the war machine that will not diminish as we effectively begin to place ourselves, as Mario Savio said, ?upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus.? and we will make it stop.

We believe that the power of courageous, committed people is greater than that of corporate warmongers. But we will only see our power when we use it collectively, when we stand together.

With courage, persistence, boldness and numbers, we can eventually make this monstrous war machine grind to a halt, so that our children and all children everywhere can grow up in a peaceful world.

Join us at the White House on December 16th!




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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 23:25:11 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:25:11 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War,
 Dec. 16 in DC, sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
In-Reply-To: <4D09BD78.5000100@freeshell.org>
References: <4D09BD78.5000100@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W298E6553071703A6DB22F29E150@phx.gbl>



StopTheSewars.org?

Will our guys never get our messaging right?

If we want to end the war 'n' stuff, we gotta sing real loud.


Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:19:20 -0800
From: fredd at freeshell.org
To: vfp_101 at yahoogroups.com
CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; dwfed at dwfed.org
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War, Dec. 16 in DC, sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others



  



    
  
  
    FYI, this just dropped into my Inbox.

    

    Fred D.   

    

    -------- Original Message --------
    
      
        
          Subject: 
          USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War, Dec. 16 in DC,
            sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
        
        
          Date: 
          Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:45:43 -0800 (PST)
        
        
          From: 
          Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
        
        
          To: 
          usgp-int at gp-us.org
        
      
    
    

    

    (See also "An Open Letter to the Left Establishment" & sign on, if you haven't already: http://protestobama.org)

Take a Stand for Peace!
Join the largest U.S. veteran-led civil resistance to war December 16.
http://www.stopthesewars.org

Rally at Lafayette Park, Washington, D.C., at 10 am
March to the White House for civil disobedience.


Call to Action:

During the Vietnam War, Martin Luther King called our government ?the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.? True then?and even more so today.

A few years before that, in 1964 Mario Savio made his great speech at Berkeley; at the end he says, ?There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can?t take part; you can?t even passively take part, and you?ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you?ve got to make it stop. And you?ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you?re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!?

There are children being orphaned, maimed or killed every day, in our name, with our tax dollars; there are soldiers and civilians dying or being maimed for life, in order to generate profits for the most odious imperialistic corporate war machine ever, again in our name. How long are we going to let this go on? Until it is too late, until this destructive machine destroys all of us and the planet to boot?

Wikileaks has revealed the documented horror of U.S. war-making, beyond what any of us imagined. It?s time veterans and others express our resistance directly and powerfully by putting ourselves on the line, once again?honestly, courageously and without one drop of apology for doing so. It is not we who are the murderers, torturers or pillagers of the earth.

Profit and power-hungry warmongers are destroying everything we hold dear and sacred.

In the early thirties, WW1 vets descended on Washington, D.C., to demand their promised bonuses, it being the depths of the Depression. General Douglas MacArthur and his sidekick Dwight Eisenhower disregarded President Herbert Hoover?s order and burned their encampment down and drove the vets out of town at bayonet point.

We are today?s bonus marchers, and we?re coming to claim our bonus?PEACE. 

Join activist veterans marching in solidarity to the White House, refusing to move, demanding the end of U.S. wars, which includes U.S. support?financial and tactical?for the Israeli war machine as well.

If we can gather enough courageous souls, nonviolently refusing to leave the White House, willing to be dragged away and arrested if necessary, we will send a message that will be seen worldwide. ?End these wars ? now!? We will carry forward a flame of resistance to the war machine that will not diminish as we effectively begin to place ourselves, as Mario Savio said, ?upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus.? and we will make it stop.

We believe that the power of courageous, committed people is greater than that of corporate warmongers. But we will only see our power when we use it collectively, when we stand together.

With courage, persistence, boldness and numbers, we can eventually make this monstrous war machine grind to a halt, so that our children and all children everywhere can grow up in a peaceful world.

Join us at the White House on December 16th!



      
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usgp-int at gp-us.org
http://forum.greens.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-int




  


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From jamboi at greens.org  Thu Dec 16 07:18:49 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:18:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date (was Re: agenda item(s) for
 1-5-2011)
In-Reply-To: <4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com>
References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net> <4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <53740.69.236.189.226.1292512729.squirrel@greens.org>

Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the first Wed
(perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can never go
to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this problem
and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act to
move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting as
an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).

Green is Go!
Drew

> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>
> Jim Doyle wrote:
>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>
>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>
>
> --
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
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> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>




From jamboi at greens.org  Thu Dec 16 07:26:55 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:26:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Speaker for January meeting
In-Reply-To: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <52721.69.236.189.226.1292513215.squirrel@greens.org>

Do we have a speaker for our January General Meeting?  If not i propose
Darlene and Dona Wallach come talk for 20 min. about the situation in
Palestine and and how we Greens can participate in bringing halting
Israeli apartheid.

Green is Social Justice!
Drew

> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>
> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>
>




From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Thu Dec 16 07:39:16 2010
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:39:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date (was Re: agenda item(s)
	for 1-5-2011)
Message-ID: <20101216153916.C441F6A9A5@truffula.sj.ca.us>


Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.

-Cameron



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Thu Dec 16 07:49:16 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:49:16 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date (was Re: agenda item(s)
 for 1-5-2011)
In-Reply-To: <20101216153916.C441F6A9A5@truffula.sj.ca.us>
References: <20101216153916.C441F6A9A5@truffula.sj.ca.us>
Message-ID: <4D0A34FC.1080700@prodsyse.com>

Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.

Spencer


On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>
> -Cameron
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 16 13:06:08 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:06:08 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War,
 Dec. 16 in DC, sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
In-Reply-To: <4D09BD78.5000100@freeshell.org>
References: <4D09BD78.5000100@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <4D0A7F40.6060509@earthlink.net>


That action should be over by now, but I can't find any news
about it on the internet.  Anyone know anything about how it
went?

Gerry


fred wrote:
>   FYI, this just dropped into my Inbox.
>
> Fred D.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War, Dec. 16 in DC,
> sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
> Date: 	Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:45:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: 	Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
> To: 	usgp-int at gp-us.org
>
>
>
> (See also "An Open Letter to the Left Establishment"&  sign on, if you haven't already:http://protestobama.org)
>
> Take a Stand for Peace!
> Join the largest U.S. veteran-led civil resistance to war December 16.
> http://www.stopthesewars.org
>
> Rally at Lafayette Park, Washington, D.C., at 10 am
> March to the White House for civil disobedience.
>
>
> Call to Action:
>
> During the Vietnam War, Martin Luther King called our government ?the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.? True then?and even more so today.
>
> A few years before that, in 1964 Mario Savio made his great speech at Berkeley; at the end he says, ?There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can?t take part; you can?t even passively take part, and you?ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you?ve got to make it stop. And you?ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you?re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!?
>
> There are children being orphaned, maimed or killed every day, in our name, with our tax dollars; there are soldiers and civilians dying or being maimed for life, in order to generate profits for the most odious imperialistic corporate war machine ever, again in our name. How long are we going to let this go on? Until it is too late, until this destructive machine destroys all of us and the planet to boot?
>
> Wikileaks has revealed the documented horror of U.S. war-making, beyond what any of us imagined. It?s time veterans and others express our resistance directly and powerfully by putting ourselves on the line, once again?honestly, courageously and without one drop of apology for doing so. It is not we who are the murderers, torturers or pillagers of the earth.
>
> Profit and power-hungry warmongers are destroying everything we hold dear and sacred.
>
> In the early thirties, WW1 vets descended on Washington, D.C., to demand their promised bonuses, it being the depths of the Depression. General Douglas MacArthur and his sidekick Dwight Eisenhower disregarded President Herbert Hoover?s order and burned their encampment down and drove the vets out of town at bayonet point.
>
> We are today?s bonus marchers, and we?re coming to claim our bonus?PEACE.
>
> Join activist veterans marching in solidarity to the White House, refusing to move, demanding the end of U.S. wars, which includes U.S. support?financial and tactical?for the Israeli war machine as well.
>
> If we can gather enough courageous souls, nonviolently refusing to leave the White House, willing to be dragged away and arrested if necessary, we will send a message that will be seen worldwide. ?End these wars ? now!? We will carry forward a flame of resistance to the war machine that will not diminish as we effectively begin to place ourselves, as Mario Savio said, ?upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus.? and we will make it stop.
>
> We believe that the power of courageous, committed people is greater than that of corporate warmongers. But we will only see our power when we use it collectively, when we stand together.
>
> With courage, persistence, boldness and numbers, we can eventually make this monstrous war machine grind to a halt, so that our children and all children everywhere can grow up in a peaceful world.
>
> Join us at the White House on December 16th!
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> usgp-int mailing list
> usgp-int at gp-us.org
> http://forum.greens.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-int
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 16 13:15:27 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:15:27 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War,
 Dec. 16 in DC, sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
In-Reply-To: <4D0A7F40.6060509@earthlink.net>
References: <4D09BD78.5000100@freeshell.org>,<4D0A7F40.6060509@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W9DD80FFBE537A93870AE09E150@phx.gbl>



Photos


http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/News/Veterans-For-Peace-protest-war-in-Afghanistan/4342/1/



> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:06:08 -0800
> From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
> To: fredd at freeshell.org
> CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War, Dec. 16 in DC, sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
> 
> 
> That action should be over by now, but I can't find any news
> about it on the internet.  Anyone know anything about how it
> went?
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> fred wrote:
> >   FYI, this just dropped into my Inbox.
> >
> > Fred D.
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: 	USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War, Dec. 16 in DC,
> > sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
> > Date: 	Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:45:43 -0800 (PST)
> > From: 	Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
> > To: 	usgp-int at gp-us.org
> >
> >
> >
> > (See also "An Open Letter to the Left Establishment"&  sign on, if you haven't already:http://protestobama.org)
> >
> > Take a Stand for Peace!
> > Join the largest U.S. veteran-led civil resistance to war December 16.
> > http://www.stopthesewars.org
> >
> > Rally at Lafayette Park, Washington, D.C., at 10 am
> > March to the White House for civil disobedience.
> >
> >
> > Call to Action:
> >
> > During the Vietnam War, Martin Luther King called our government ?the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.? True then?and even more so today.
> >
> > A few years before that, in 1964 Mario Savio made his great speech at Berkeley; at the end he says, ?There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can?t take part; you can?t even passively take part, and you?ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you?ve got to make it stop. And you?ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you?re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!?
> >
> > There are children being orphaned, maimed or killed every day, in our name, with our tax dollars; there are soldiers and civilians dying or being maimed for life, in order to generate profits for the most odious imperialistic corporate war machine ever, again in our name. How long are we going to let this go on? Until it is too late, until this destructive machine destroys all of us and the planet to boot?
> >
> > Wikileaks has revealed the documented horror of U.S. war-making, beyond what any of us imagined. It?s time veterans and others express our resistance directly and powerfully by putting ourselves on the line, once again?honestly, courageously and without one drop of apology for doing so. It is not we who are the murderers, torturers or pillagers of the earth.
> >
> > Profit and power-hungry warmongers are destroying everything we hold dear and sacred.
> >
> > In the early thirties, WW1 vets descended on Washington, D.C., to demand their promised bonuses, it being the depths of the Depression. General Douglas MacArthur and his sidekick Dwight Eisenhower disregarded President Herbert Hoover?s order and burned their encampment down and drove the vets out of town at bayonet point.
> >
> > We are today?s bonus marchers, and we?re coming to claim our bonus?PEACE.
> >
> > Join activist veterans marching in solidarity to the White House, refusing to move, demanding the end of U.S. wars, which includes U.S. support?financial and tactical?for the Israeli war machine as well.
> >
> > If we can gather enough courageous souls, nonviolently refusing to leave the White House, willing to be dragged away and arrested if necessary, we will send a message that will be seen worldwide. ?End these wars ? now!? We will carry forward a flame of resistance to the war machine that will not diminish as we effectively begin to place ourselves, as Mario Savio said, ?upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus.? and we will make it stop.
> >
> > We believe that the power of courageous, committed people is greater than that of corporate warmongers. But we will only see our power when we use it collectively, when we stand together.
> >
> > With courage, persistence, boldness and numbers, we can eventually make this monstrous war machine grind to a halt, so that our children and all children everywhere can grow up in a peaceful world.
> >
> > Join us at the White House on December 16th!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > usgp-int mailing list
> > usgp-int at gp-us.org
> > http://forum.greens.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-int
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> _______________________________________________
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 16 13:34:42 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:34:42 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War,
 Dec. 16 in DC, sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W9DD80FFBE537A93870AE09E150@phx.gbl>
References: <4D09BD78.5000100@freeshell.org>, <4D0A7F40.6060509@earthlink.net>,
	<BAY140-W9DD80FFBE537A93870AE09E150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W260D066629CFAF4F9BA679E150@phx.gbl>


   Posting too quick again, I see.  Sorry, those are from yesterday.

From: snug.bug at hotmail.com
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:15:27 -0800
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War, Dec. 16 in DC, sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others









Photos


http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/News/Veterans-For-Peace-protest-war-in-Afghanistan/4342/1/



> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:06:08 -0800
> From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
> To: fredd at freeshell.org
> CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War, Dec. 16 in DC, sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
> 
> 
> That action should be over by now, but I can't find any news
> about it on the internet.  Anyone know anything about how it
> went?
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> fred wrote:
> >   FYI, this just dropped into my Inbox.
> >
> > Fred D.
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: 	USGP-INT TOMORROW: Civil Resistance to War, Dec. 16 in DC,
> > sponsored by Veterans For Peace & others
> > Date: 	Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:45:43 -0800 (PST)
> > From: 	Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
> > To: 	usgp-int at gp-us.org
> >
> >
> >
> > (See also "An Open Letter to the Left Establishment"&  sign on, if you haven't already:http://protestobama.org)
> >
> > Take a Stand for Peace!
> > Join the largest U.S. veteran-led civil resistance to war December 16.
> > http://www.stopthesewars.org
> >
> > Rally at Lafayette Park, Washington, D.C., at 10 am
> > March to the White House for civil disobedience.
> >
> >
> > Call to Action:
> >
> > During the Vietnam War, Martin Luther King called our government ?the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.? True then?and even more so today.
> >
> > A few years before that, in 1964 Mario Savio made his great speech at Berkeley; at the end he says, ?There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can?t take part; you can?t even passively take part, and you?ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you?ve got to make it stop. And you?ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you?re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!?
> >
> > There are children being orphaned, maimed or killed every day, in our name, with our tax dollars; there are soldiers and civilians dying or being maimed for life, in order to generate profits for the most odious imperialistic corporate war machine ever, again in our name. How long are we going to let this go on? Until it is too late, until this destructive machine destroys all of us and the planet to boot?
> >
> > Wikileaks has revealed the documented horror of U.S. war-making, beyond what any of us imagined. It?s time veterans and others express our resistance directly and powerfully by putting ourselves on the line, once again?honestly, courageously and without one drop of apology for doing so. It is not we who are the murderers, torturers or pillagers of the earth.
> >
> > Profit and power-hungry warmongers are destroying everything we hold dear and sacred.
> >
> > In the early thirties, WW1 vets descended on Washington, D.C., to demand their promised bonuses, it being the depths of the Depression. General Douglas MacArthur and his sidekick Dwight Eisenhower disregarded President Herbert Hoover?s order and burned their encampment down and drove the vets out of town at bayonet point.
> >
> > We are today?s bonus marchers, and we?re coming to claim our bonus?PEACE.
> >
> > Join activist veterans marching in solidarity to the White House, refusing to move, demanding the end of U.S. wars, which includes U.S. support?financial and tactical?for the Israeli war machine as well.
> >
> > If we can gather enough courageous souls, nonviolently refusing to leave the White House, willing to be dragged away and arrested if necessary, we will send a message that will be seen worldwide. ?End these wars ? now!? We will carry forward a flame of resistance to the war machine that will not diminish as we effectively begin to place ourselves, as Mario Savio said, ?upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus.? and we will make it stop.
> >
> > We believe that the power of courageous, committed people is greater than that of corporate warmongers. But we will only see our power when we use it collectively, when we stand together.
> >
> > With courage, persistence, boldness and numbers, we can eventually make this monstrous war machine grind to a halt, so that our children and all children everywhere can grow up in a peaceful world.
> >
> > Join us at the White House on December 16th!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > usgp-int mailing list
> > usgp-int at gp-us.org
> > http://forum.greens.org/mailman/listinfo/usgp-int
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 16 17:32:08 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:32:08 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [GPCA Updates] GP RELEASE Greens: Obama's tax
 package blows up the deficit, undermines Social Security
Message-ID: <4D0ABD98.5090105@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GPCA Updates] GP RELEASE Greens: Obama's tax package blows up 
the deficit, undermines Social Security
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:54:25 -0800
From: Green Party of California Updates <updates at cagreens.org>
Reply-To: updates-owner at marla.cagreens.org, updates at cagreens.org
To: updates at cagreens.org

** Green Party of California Update **






GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES
http://www.gp.org

For Immediate Release:
Thursday, December 16, 2010



Obama's compromise tax package will blow up the deficit, undermine Social
Security, say Greens urging House Democrats to vote nay

? Tax-cut deal with GOP seals Obama's betrayal of working Americans who
elected him, say Greens

? Green Party Speakers Bureau: Greens available to speak on economic 
justice,
taxation, and budget policy:
http://www.gp.org/speakers/speakers-economic-justice.php


WASHINGTON, DC -- Green Party leaders urged House Democrats to stand 
firm and
do what they can to block President Obama's tax package, calling it a
capitulation to the Republican Party that will expand the deficit and
undermine Social Security.

"The tax cut is evidence that President Obama isn't compromising with
Republicans, he's adopting their agenda," said Howie Hawkins, 2010 Green
candidate for Governor of New York and co-chair of the Green Party of 
New York
State.  "Greens warned that should the President's tax package pass, 
Democrats
will be the ones initiating the half-century GOP plan to dismantle Social
Security.  Since the plan extends unemployment benefits by diverting some
payroll taxes away from Social Security, it weakens the safety-net for 
working
Americans and defers the financial hit a little bit longer."

Green Party leaders praised Sen. Bernie Sanders (Ind.-Vt.) for his
eight-and-a-half-hour speech on the Senate floor about the damage that the
President's tax package will do to the Social Security trust fund and the
safety net for low- and middle-income Americans.

Green leaders said that if either Democrats or Republicans want to 
reduce the
deficit and restore domestic financial stability, they should reduce the
military budget and work to end the military occupations of Afghanistan and
Iraq.  The Green Party has repeatedly called for such action, as well as for
requiring the rich to pay their fair share in taxes, since tax breaks 
for the
wealthy have contributed even more to the deficits than bloated military
funding, as the CBO has repeatedly documented over the last decade.

"It's no secret that maintaining the Bush tax cuts for people who don't 
need a
tax break will do very little to stimulate the economy.  The Congressional
Budget Office confirms that for every one dollar in tax cuts, only 10 
centsto
40 cents are returned to the economy.  The tax cuts may drain $4 
trillion from
the US treasury in revenue," said Laura Wells, 2010 Green candidate for
Governor of California.

"Republicans have little concern for the deficit or for the nation's
unemployed.  The swollen deficit is attractive to Republicans because it 
leads
to a fiscal crisis in which agencies and public-sector jobs get shut down,
regulation of corporations goes unenforced, and privatization of public
resources and services is fast-tracked," Ms. Wells added.

The tax bill will raise taxes on working people: about 40% of workers (about
45 million households out of just over 100 million total households) by
replacing the Making Work Pay tax credit with the Social Security 
payroll tax
cut (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20025087-503544.html).  Greens
also faulted Democrats for not fighting to extend unemployment benefits for
"99ers," about 2 million unemployed whose benefits ran out in their 
100th week
of unemployment.

Greens called the GOP obsession with the estate tax, which affects the top
three-tenths of one percent of Americans, typical of a party that exists
solely to serve the most powerful corporate interests and the wealthiest
income brackets.  "Populist" Tea Party favorites elected to Congress and
conservative 'Blue Dog' Democrats have signed on to the same plutocratic
agenda, and Democratic Party leaders repeatedly cave in to their demands,
regardless of which party controls Congress, said Greens.


MORE INFORMATION

Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org
202-319-7191, 866-41GREEN
? Green candidate database and campaign information:
http://www.gp.org/elections.shtml
? Green Party News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml
? Green Party Speakers Bureau http://www.gp.org/speakers
? Green Party ballot access page http://www.gp.org/ballotstatus
? Green Party Livestream Channel http://www.livestream.com/greenpartyus

"Compromise Tax Cut Plan Tilts Heavily in Favor of the Well-Off"
Citizens for Tax Justice, December 7, 2010
http://ctj.org/ctjreports/2010/12/compromise_tax_cut_plan_tilts_heavily_in_favor_of_the_well-off.php

"Note on the Tax Deal"
By Sam Smith, The Progressive Review, December 7, 2010
http://prorevnews.blogspot.com/2010/12/notes-on-tax-deal.html

"Alternatives to Austerity"
By Joseph E. Stiglitz, Project Syndicate, December 6, 2010
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/stiglitz133/English

"Obama-GOP tax deal the beginning of the end of Social Security, Sen. 
Sanders
says"
By Edward W. Dolan, The Raw Story, December 14, 2010
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/tax-deal-beginning-social-security-sen-sanders/

"What Bernie Said"
By William Rivers Pitt, truth-out.org, December 14, 2010
http://www.truth-out.org/what-bernie-said-part-i65944

Green Pages: The official publication of record of the Green Party of the
United States (Fall 2010 issue now online)
http://gp.org/greenpages-blog


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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Thu Dec 16 18:20:28 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:20:28 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Peak Oil Art Show in Ross Mirkarimi's office,
 San Francisco City Hall
Message-ID: <4D0AC8EC.1090707@aceweb.com>

This was the first time I got a piece in an art show! See it at:

http://tian.greens.org/SanFrancisco/RossMirkarimi/PeakOilArtShow/index.html

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a writeup on Ross Mirkarimi's Peak Oil Art Show.
The manga video pin I got in '04 is on a Northern Mariana Islands 25c.



From jamboi at greens.org  Fri Dec 17 00:13:21 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 00:13:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,  1-6-2010
In-Reply-To: <53740.69.236.189.226.1292512729.squirrel@greens.org>
References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net> <4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com>
	<53740.69.236.189.226.1292512729.squirrel@greens.org>
Message-ID: <33506.69.236.189.226.1292573601.squirrel@greens.org>

Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for our
General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your input)?

Green is Go!

Drew

> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>
> Spencer
>
>
> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>
>> -Cameron

I wrote earlier:
> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the first Wed
> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can never go
> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this problem
> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act to
> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting as
> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>
> Green is Go!
> Drew
>
>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>
>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>
>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Tian
>> http://tian.greens.org
>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>
>




From carolineyacoub at att.net  Fri Dec 17 11:05:04 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:05:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
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References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net> <4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com>
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I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting yet. Why 
don't you individually email the people who usually go?




________________________________
From: jamboi <jamboi at greens.org>
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010

Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for our
General Meeting.? Would that work for others (please provide your input)?

Green is Go!

Drew

> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>
> Spencer
>
>
> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>
>> -Cameron

I wrote earlier:
> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the first Wed
> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).? There is another meeting i can never go
> to because of our schedule.? I know other people also have this problem
> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.? Could we finally act to
> move our General Meeting date please?? If we can consens to move to
> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting as
> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>
> Green is Go!
> Drew
>
>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>
>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>
>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Tian
>> http://tian.greens.org
>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>
>


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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri Dec 17 11:14:40 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:14:40 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
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Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to change it?


Spencer


On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting yet. Why
> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>
> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for our
> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your input)?
>
> Green is Go!
>
> Drew
>
>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>
>>> -Cameron
> I wrote earlier:
>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the first Wed
>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can never go
>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this problem
>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act to
>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting as
>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>
>> Green is Go!
>> Drew
>>
>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>
>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>
>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Tian
>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>
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> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


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President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Dec 17 12:07:59 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:07:59 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
In-Reply-To: <4D0BB6A0.2080309@prodsyse.com>
References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net><4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com>	<53740.69.236.189.226.1292512729.squirrel@greens.org>
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The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day 
meeting on the 6th.

spencerg wrote:
>   Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to change it?
> 
> 
> Spencer
> 
> 
> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting yet. Why 
>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: jamboi <jamboi at greens.org>
>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>>
>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for our
>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your input)?
>>
>> Green is Go!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>
>>>> -Cameron
>> I wrote earlier:
>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the first Wed
>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can never go
>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this problem
>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act to
>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting as
>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>
>>> Green is Go!
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tian
>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> -- 
> Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
> President and Chief Operating Officer
> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
> 751 Emerson Ct.
> San Jos?, CA 95126
> ph:  408-655-4567
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a writeup on Ross Mirkarimi's Peak Oil Art Show.
The manga video pin I got in '04 is on a Northern Mariana Islands 25c.



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Fri Dec 17 12:05:59 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:05:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
In-Reply-To: <4D0BC31F.4060505@aceweb.com>
References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net><4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com>
	<53740.69.236.189.226.1292512729.squirrel@greens.org>
	<33506.69.236.189.226.1292573601.squirrel@greens.org><271214.63700.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4D0BB6A0.2080309@prodsyse.com> <4D0BC31F.4060505@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <201637.53649.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for thinking of that, Tian. 




________________________________
From: Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010

The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day 
meeting on the 6th.

spencerg wrote:
>? Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to change it?
> 
> 
> Spencer
> 
> 
> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting yet. Why 
>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: jamboi <jamboi at greens.org>
>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>>
>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for our
>> General Meeting.? Would that work for others (please provide your input)?
>>
>> Green is Go!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>
>>>> -Cameron
>> I wrote earlier:
>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the first Wed
>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).? There is another meeting i can never go
>>> to because of our schedule.? I know other people also have this problem
>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.? Could we finally act to
>>> move our General Meeting date please?? If we can consens to move to
>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting as
>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>
>>> Green is Go!
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tian
>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> -- 
> Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
> President and Chief Operating Officer
> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
> 751 Emerson Ct.
> San Jos?, CA 95126
> ph:? 408-655-4567
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

-- 
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http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a writeup on Ross Mirkarimi's Peak Oil Art Show.
The manga video pin I got in '04 is on a Northern Mariana Islands 25c.

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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri Dec 17 12:48:39 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 12:48:39 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
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Can we get it for Jan. 7?


sg


On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>
> The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day
> meeting on the 6th.
>
> spencerg wrote:
>>    Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to change it?
>>
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting yet. Why
>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>>>
>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for our
>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your input)?
>>>
>>> Green is Go!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Cameron
>>> I wrote earlier:
>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the first Wed
>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can never go
>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this problem
>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act to
>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting as
>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>>
>>>> Green is Go!
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tian
>>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
>>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>
>>>>

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Dec 17 13:04:30 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:04:30 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [VFP_101] Peace on earth to President Obama from
	Veterans
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References: <729345.65587.qm@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D0BD05E.1030708@freeshell.org>

Pro-Peace Friends,

Although I have seen nothing in the Bay Area TV Media or in today's S.F. 
Chronicle about San Francisco's part in the December 16 country wide 
anti-war demonstrations, there WAS A significant Veterans For Peace(VFP) 
cosponsored PROTEST at the U.S. Federal Building (Mission & 7th St.) 
from Noon on into the afternoon.  In fact, at noon, 20 - 30 civil 
disobedience protesters did recline on the concrete plazas to block the 
building's two main entrances and to get arrested. At least 100 people 
attended the event.  (My daughter, Cheryl, and I left about 2:15 PM and 
are not aware of what happened after that.)

Fred D.

To me it is appalling that there is so little outrage over the U.S. 
occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.  Can the complacency be attributed 
to the traditional fuss over the Holiday Season, or has our population 
become even more desensitized.?

On 12/17/10 8:28 AM, Phil wrote:
>
> Over 100 veterans were arrested at the White House on December 16 when 
> they attempted to bring a message of peace to President Obama.
>
> Did you see it on the news?
> Here is a link to the story and a video:
> http://peaceandjusticeonline.org/2010/12/16/veterans-for-peace-demonstrate-at-white-house-135-arrested/
>
> __._,_.___
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 13:53:14 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:53:14 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [VFP_101] Peace on earth to President Obama from
 Veterans
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I did not even know about the protest in S.F. until I
saw this email.

Indymedia had something about the DC action, but I
did not find anything from indymedia about the SF
action.

At this point, with the media as bad as it is, I feel
I have no idea what Americans know, or how they think
and feel.

Gerry


fred wrote:
>   Pro-Peace Friends,
>
> Although I have seen nothing in the Bay Area TV Media or in today's S.F.
> Chronicle about San Francisco's part in the December 16 country wide
> anti-war demonstrations, there WAS A significant Veterans For Peace(VFP)
> cosponsored PROTEST at the U.S. Federal Building (Mission & 7th St.)
> from Noon on into the afternoon. In fact, at noon, 20 - 30 civil
> disobedience protesters did recline on the concrete plazas to block the
> building's two main entrances and to get arrested. At least 100 people
> attended the event. (My daughter, Cheryl, and I left about 2:15 PM and
> are not aware of what happened after that.)
>
> Fred D.
>
> To me it is appalling that there is so little outrage over the U.S.
> occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. Can the complacency be attributed
> to the traditional fuss over the Holiday Season, or has our population
> become even more desensitized.?
>
> On 12/17/10 8:28 AM, Phil wrote:
>>
>> Over 100 veterans were arrested at the White House on December 16 when
>> they attempted to bring a message of peace to President Obama.
>>
>> Did you see it on the news?
>> Here is a link to the story and a video:
>> http://peaceandjusticeonline.org/2010/12/16/veterans-for-peace-demonstrate-at-white-house-135-arrested/
>>
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 17 14:44:10 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:44:10 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] David Swanson's "WAR IS A LIE" in San Jose, Saturday,
 Dec. 18, 2 p.m.
In-Reply-To: <875140.56313.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <875140.56313.qm@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W23573D7A5E16937D5060C89E160@phx.gbl>




Best-selling author David Swanson will discuss his new book















"War is a Lie"
 
When: Saturday, December 18, 2010 

Time: 2: 00 PM to 4:30 PM
Where: San Jose Peace and Justice Center
48 South 7th St., San Jose,  95112


 
   Suggested donation: $10
   no one turned away for lack of funds

  Discussion followed by book signing




?David Swanson is an antidote to the toxins of complacency and evasion. He insists on rousing the sleepwalkers, confronting the deadly prevaricators and shining a bright light on possibilities for a truly better world.? 

? Norman Solomon, author of "War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death".




David Swanson is the author of the books "War Is A Lie" and "Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and Forming a More Perfect Union". Swanson co-founded AfterDowningStreet.org in response to the false evidence that led to the invasion of Iraq.


David Swanson is also appearing in
Berkeley on Friday, Dec. 17 and
Santa Cruz on Saturday, Dec. 18


for more info see:



www.warisalie.org
www.sanjosepeace.org
 
 
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 17 14:54:06 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:54:06 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] TSA Snafu
Message-ID: <4D0BEA0E.9070805@earthlink.net>


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded-gun-slips-past-tsa-screeners/story?id=12412458


From fredd at freeshell.org  Fri Dec 17 22:53:25 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:53:25 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
In-Reply-To: <33506.69.236.189.226.1292573601.squirrel@greens.org>
References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net>
	<4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com>	<53740.69.236.189.226.1292512729.squirrel@greens.org>
	<33506.69.236.189.226.1292573601.squirrel@greens.org>
Message-ID: <4D0C5A65.9020705@freeshell.org>

Either, or for me.

fd

On 12/17/10 12:13 AM, jamboi wrote:
> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for our
> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your input)?
>
> Green is Go!
>
> Drew
>
>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>
>>> -Cameron
> I wrote earlier:
>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the first Wed
>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can never go
>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this problem
>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act to
>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting as
>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>
>> Green is Go!
>> Drew
>>
>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>
>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>
>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Tian
>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk mail.
>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter now.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From jamboi at greens.org  Sat Dec 18 08:30:19 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 08:30:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
In-Reply-To: <4D0BCCA7.3020208@prodsyse.com>
References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net><4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com>
	<53740.69.236.189.226.1292512729.squirrel@greens.org>
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Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be okay.  First
Tuesdays are okay.  Just First Wednesday is in constant conflict.

Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i have nothing
against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather like it.)

Green is Go!

Drew

> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>
>
> sg
>
>
> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>> 1-6-2010
>>
>> The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day
>> meeting on the 6th.
>>
>> spencerg wrote:
>>>    Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to
>>> change it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting
>>>> yet. Why
>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>
>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for
>>>> our
>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your
>>>> input)?
>>>>
>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Cameron
>>>> I wrote earlier:
>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the
>>>>> first Wed
>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can
>>>>> never go
>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this
>>>>> problem
>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act
>>>>> to
>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting
>>>>> as
>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>>>
>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>> Drew
>>>>>
>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tian
>>>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk
>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>
> --
> Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
> President and Chief Operating Officer
> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
> 751 Emerson Ct.
> San Jos?, CA 95126
> ph:  408-655-4567
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sat Dec 18 15:13:03 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:13:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?
Message-ID: <673494.20766.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I hope somebody can help get the printer moved for Andrea. I can't.



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Andrea Dorey <andi at wrytor.com>
To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 8:23:27 AM
Subject: GP HP Printer?

Caroline,

Maybe someone should plan to remove the printer from Nightingale?? I have a very 
nice couple moving in January to take over the place for a couple of years, 
maybe three if my health continues to allow me to live up on the mountain.? It's 
out of color, but I figured that could be replenished when GP wants to print 
more stuff.

Also, I have your frame for the banner.? And you have my audio book that I 
haven't heard yet!

I will be in Sausalito with a friend's dog for Xmas, beginning the 23rd, so I 
won't be around to help with anything.? So it's the next few days or later in 
the week?probably mid-week.? Have someone call my cell with a SHORT MESSAGE 
(please) and let me know if someone might be able to haul it away.? We're going 
to have to find a permanent home for it eventually, anyway!

I'm about 100 emails behind, espec with the GP stuff due to HC business and the 
January newsletter.
This is a copy of the December newsletter with my interview with Susan Sackett, 
personal assistant to Gene Roddenberry.

If I don't see you before, have a great holiday, and take care.
Hugs,
Andrea
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sat Dec 18 15:24:04 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:24:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [VFP_101] Peace on earth to President Obama from
	Veterans
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I saw Fred on KTVU news. I don't know why more people don't watch it. They 
showed Laura Wells' arrest, too.
Caroline




________________________________
From: fred <fredd at freeshell.org>
To: depotchief at ambergrass.com; VFP101 - Phil Yahoo Group 
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Cc: Laura Skubik <lds at abdi.com>; Michelle D. <mduperrault at gmail.com>; Julia 
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Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 1:04:30 PM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] [VFP_101] Peace on earth to President Obama from 
Veterans

Pro-Peace Friends,

Although I have seen nothing in the Bay Area TV Media or in today's S.F. 
Chronicle about San Francisco's part in the December 16 country wide anti-war 
demonstrations, there WAS A significant Veterans For Peace(VFP) cosponsored 
PROTEST at the U.S. Federal Building (Mission & 7th St.) from Noon on into the 
afternoon.? In fact, at noon, 20 - 30 civil disobedience protesters did recline 
on the concrete plazas to block the building's two main entrances and to get 
arrested. At least 100 people attended the event.? (My daughter, Cheryl, and I 
left about 2:15 PM and are not aware of what happened after that.)

Fred D.

To me it is appalling that there is so little outrage over the U.S. occupations 
of Afghanistan and Iraq.? Can the complacency be attributed to the traditional 
fuss over the Holiday Season, or has our population become even more 
desensitized.? ? ? ? 


On 12/17/10 8:28 AM, Phil wrote: 
? 
>Over 100 veterans were arrested at the White House on December 16 when they 
>attempted to bring a message of peace to President Obama.
>
>Did you see it on the news?
>Here is a link to the story and a video:
>http://peaceandjusticeonline.org/2010/12/16/veterans-for-peace-demonstrate-at-white-house-135-arrested/
>
>
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From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Dec 19 08:52:07 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 08:52:07 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Current reading
Message-ID: <4D0E3837.5010907@charter.net>

It may seem like a rush to judgment, but I will recommend a book for all 
to read after completing less that half of it (220 of 528 pages).

I'm currently reading "Even Silence Has an End" by Ingrid Betancourt.  
You may remember that Betancourt was the Green Party candidate for 
President of Columbia when she was captured and held hostage by the 
FARC.   This book tells of her 6 and a half years of captivity in 
Columbia's jungles and her final rescue.

More that a mere chronicle of events, or a political statement, 
Betancourt has written a spiritual memoir detailing her times of self 
examination and her effort to not merely survive, but to survive with 
her soul intact.

There are 13 copies in the Santa Clara County Library 
<http://sccl.bibliocommons.com/item/show/1423594016_even_silence_has_an_end> 
system and the reserve list is currently at 25.
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec 19 09:27:40 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:27:40 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Current reading
In-Reply-To: <4D0E3837.5010907@charter.net>
References: <4D0E3837.5010907@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4D0E408C.8030108@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Wes:


       Can you give us a hint of what, if anything, she says about US 
involvement in Columbia?


       US involvement in Columbia has been documented elsewhere.  For 
example, the meticulously documented McCoy (2003) The Politics of 
Heroin:  CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade:  Afghanistan, 
Southeast Asia, Central America, Columbia (Lawrence Hill Books) strongly 
suggests that if drugs were legalized in the US, it could be a great 
advance for democracy in many parts of the world, e.g., Columbia, 
Afghanistan, Mexico.


       Thanks,
       Spencer
p.s.  Betancourt did NOT get along well with fellow captives from the 
US, who claimed she was arrogant, demanding more than her share of 
limited food and living space because of her high status.  This may work 
in Columbian and French society, but her American fellow captives were 
negatively impressed.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Dngrid_Betancourt)


On 12/19/2010 8:52 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:
> It may seem like a rush to judgment, but I will recommend a book for 
> all to read after completing less that half of it (220 of 528 pages).
>
> I'm currently reading "Even Silence Has an End" by Ingrid Betancourt.  
> You may remember that Betancourt was the Green Party candidate for 
> President of Columbia when she was captured and held hostage by the 
> FARC.   This book tells of her 6 and a half years of captivity in 
> Columbia's jungles and her final rescue.
>
> More that a mere chronicle of events, or a political statement, 
> Betancourt has written a spiritual memoir detailing her times of self 
> examination and her effort to not merely survive, but to survive with 
> her soul intact.
>
> There are 13 copies in the Santa Clara County Library 
> <http://sccl.bibliocommons.com/item/show/1423594016_even_silence_has_an_end> 
> system and the reserve list is currently at 25.
>
>
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-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567

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From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Dec 19 11:31:03 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:31:03 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Current reading
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Spencer,

Life is complex.  Viewpoints differ.  Screen Rashomon 
<http://sccl.bibliocommons.com/item/show/1009008016_rashomon>.

What she relates is her personal spiritual journey and always trying to 
learn from her own mistakes.

One key scene in the book comes when she has a Bible to read and ponders 
the meaning of the story of the Wedding at Cana.  Why did Jesus not 
immediately accede to his Mother's request for more wine?  Because he 
had a choice... as we all do, every day.

The book makes almost no points about policy other than the fact that 
she ends up be very anti--FARC from the view that you can not win over 
the people of a country by acting as terrorists against the people 
themselves while financing your terrorism with drug money.

Wes




On 12/19/2010 9:27 AM, spencerg wrote:
> Hi, Wes:
>
>
>       Can you give us a hint of what, if anything, she says about US 
> involvement in Columbia?
>
>
>       US involvement in Columbia has been documented elsewhere.  For 
> example, the meticulously documented McCoy (2003) The Politics of 
> Heroin:  CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade:  Afghanistan, 
> Southeast Asia, Central America, Columbia (Lawrence Hill Books) 
> strongly suggests that if drugs were legalized in the US, it could be 
> a great advance for democracy in many parts of the world, e.g., 
> Columbia, Afghanistan, Mexico.
>
>
>       Thanks,
>       Spencer
> p.s.  Betancourt did NOT get along well with fellow captives from the 
> US, who claimed she was arrogant, demanding more than her share of 
> limited food and living space because of her high status.  This may 
> work in Columbian and French society, but her American fellow captives 
> were negatively impressed.  
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Dngrid_Betancourt)

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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec 19 11:56:06 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:56:06 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Current reading
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Hi, Wes:


<in line>


On 12/19/2010 11:31 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:
> Spencer,
>
> Life is complex.  Viewpoints differ.  Screen Rashomon 
> <http://sccl.bibliocommons.com/item/show/1009008016_rashomon>.
>
> What she relates is her personal spiritual journey and always trying 
> to learn from her own mistakes.
>
> One key scene in the book comes when she has a Bible to read and 
> ponders the meaning of the story of the Wedding at Cana.  Why did 
> Jesus not immediately accede to his Mother's request for more wine?  
> Because he had a choice... as we all do, every day.
>
> The book makes almost no points about policy other than the fact that 
> she ends up be very anti--FARC from the view that you can not win over 
> the people of a country by acting as terrorists against the people 
> themselves while financing your terrorism with drug money.

Thanks.  The FARC is not the only group that fails to understand that 
it's hard to win people's hearts and minds by killing them.  That's my 
one-line summary of the the current US war as well as the US war in 
Vietnam.


Spencer

>
> Wes
>
>
>
>
> On 12/19/2010 9:27 AM, spencerg wrote:
>> Hi, Wes:
>>
>>
>>       Can you give us a hint of what, if anything, she says about US 
>> involvement in Columbia?
>>
>>
>>       US involvement in Columbia has been documented elsewhere.  For 
>> example, the meticulously documented McCoy (2003) The Politics of 
>> Heroin:  CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade:  Afghanistan, 
>> Southeast Asia, Central America, Columbia (Lawrence Hill Books) 
>> strongly suggests that if drugs were legalized in the US, it could be 
>> a great advance for democracy in many parts of the world, e.g., 
>> Columbia, Afghanistan, Mexico.
>>
>>
>>       Thanks,
>>       Spencer
>> p.s.  Betancourt did NOT get along well with fellow captives from the 
>> US, who claimed she was arrogant, demanding more than her share of 
>> limited food and living space because of her high status.  This may 
>> work in Columbian and French society, but her American fellow 
>> captives were negatively impressed.  
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Dngrid_Betancourt)
>
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 19 12:02:20 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:02:20 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] hallelujah chorus in an unusual setting
Message-ID: <4D0E64CC.5010708@sbcglobal.net>

Here is a link to a you tube video of a lovely performance of the
hallelujah chorus in an unexpected location.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE

It also gives me an idea of a location for tabling and or leafletting
because it is a location where many people frequently gather.

Jim Doyle



From eameece at sfo.com  Sun Dec 19 14:16:04 2010
From: eameece at sfo.com (Eric A. Meece)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:16:04 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [VFP_101] Peace on earth to President Obama
	fromVeterans
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I saw a report on another SF station too.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Caroline Yacoub 
  To: fred ; depotchief at ambergrass.com ; VFP101 - Phil Yahoo Group 
  Cc: Laura Skubik ; Michelle D. ; Julia Duperrault ; Jean Duperrault ; Mark Skubik ; Cheri ; South SF Bay Discuss at CA Greens ; Alan ; Jane ; David ; Danny Duperrault ; Natasha Dehn ; dwfed 
  Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 3:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] [VFP_101] Peace on earth to President Obama fromVeterans


  I saw Fred on KTVU news. I don't know why more people don't watch it. They showed Laura Wells' arrest, too.
  Caroline




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  Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 1:04:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] [VFP_101] Peace on earth to President Obama from Veterans

  Pro-Peace Friends,

  Although I have seen nothing in the Bay Area TV Media or in today's S.F. Chronicle about San Francisco's part in the December 16 country wide anti-war demonstrations, there WAS A significant Veterans For Peace(VFP) cosponsored PROTEST at the U.S. Federal Building (Mission & 7th St.) from Noon on into the afternoon.  In fact, at noon, 20 - 30 civil disobedience protesters did recline on the concrete plazas to block the building's two main entrances and to get arrested. At least 100 people attended the event.  (My daughter, Cheryl, and I left about 2:15 PM and are not aware of what happened after that.)

  Fred D.

  To me it is appalling that there is so little outrage over the U.S. occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.  Can the complacency be attributed to the traditional fuss over the Holiday Season, or has our population become even more desensitized.?       

  On 12/17/10 8:28 AM, Phil wrote: 
      
    Over 100 veterans were arrested at the White House on December 16 when they attempted to bring a message of peace to President Obama.

    Did you see it on the news?
    Here is a link to the story and a video:
    http://peaceandjusticeonline.org/2010/12/16/veterans-for-peace-demonstrate-at-white-house-135-arrested/


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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec 19 18:31:19 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:31:19 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?
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References: <673494.20766.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hello:


       Might anyone provide space for the Green Party Printer?  If it 
doesn't find another home in the next few days, it may go to a place 
that recycles old electronics.


       It's a large HP color laser printer.  Caroline said it's bigger 
than a washing machine but smaller than a refrigerator.  It's currently 
sitting in Andrea's garage, and she needs it moved before ~January 1, 
preferably sooner.  If you have space, we might be able to get others to 
move it.


       Cameron hooked it to a router so it could be used as a network 
printer.  By comparison, he said a new desktop color laser that prints 
roughly 3 times as fast can be purchased for perhaps $250 today.  A 
toner cartridge set runs roughly $125 and lasts perhaps 40,000 sheets.  
If those numbers are accurate, then toner is roughly 3 cents per page.  
This makes it much cheaper than color ink jet -- and cheaper than color 
copies at a copy shop.  If you wanted the current GP printer, the party 
would pay for the toner to print GP literature.


       Cameron suggested we give it to a place that recycles old 
electronics if no one wants it.


       Comments?
       Spencer


####################
On 12/18/2010 3:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> I hope somebody can help get the printer moved for Andrea. I can't.
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Andrea Dorey<andi at wrytor.com>
> To: Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>
> Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 8:23:27 AM
> Subject: GP HP Printer?
>
> Caroline,
>
> Maybe someone should plan to remove the printer from Nightingale?  I have a very
> nice couple moving in January to take over the place for a couple of years,
> maybe three if my health continues to allow me to live up on the mountain.  It's
> out of color, but I figured that could be replenished when GP wants to print
> more stuff.
>
> Also, I have your frame for the banner.  And you have my audio book that I
> haven't heard yet!
>
> I will be in Sausalito with a friend's dog for Xmas, beginning the 23rd, so I
> won't be around to help with anything.  So it's the next few days or later in
> the week?probably mid-week.  Have someone call my cell with a SHORT MESSAGE
> (please) and let me know if someone might be able to haul it away.  We're going
> to have to find a permanent home for it eventually, anyway!
>
> I'm about 100 emails behind, espec with the GP stuff due to HC business and the
> January newsletter.
> This is a copy of the December newsletter with my interview with Susan Sackett,
> personal assistant to Gene Roddenberry.
>
> If I don't see you before, have a great holiday, and take care.
> Hugs,
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> *From:* Andrea Dorey<andi at wrytor.com>
> *To:* Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>
> *Sent:* Sat, December 18, 2010 8:23:27 AM
> *Subject:* GP HP Printer?
>
> Caroline,
>
> Maybe someone should plan to remove the printer from Nightingale? I have a very
> nice couple moving in January to take over the place for a couple of years,
> maybe three if my health continues to allow me to live up on the mountain. It's
> out of color, but I figured that could be replenished when GP wants to print
> more stuff.
>
> Also, I have your frame for the banner. And you have my audio book that I
> haven't heard yet!
>
> I will be in Sausalito with a friend's dog for Xmas, beginning the 23rd, so I
> won't be around to help with anything. So it's the next few days or later in the
> week?probably mid-week. Have someone call my cell with a SHORT MESSAGE (please)
> and let me know if someone might be able to haul it away. We're going to have to
> find a permanent home for it eventually, anyway!
>
> I'm about 100 emails behind, espec with the GP stuff due to HC business and the
> January newsletter.
> This is a copy of the December newsletter with my interview with Susan Sackett,
> personal assistant to Gene Roddenberry.
>
> If I don't see you before, have a great holiday, and take care.
> Hugs,
> Andrea
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567

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From leedobell at aol.com  Sun Dec 19 18:34:16 2010
From: leedobell at aol.com (Leedobell)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:34:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?
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The printer will fit in my car. I am willing to transport it. I cannot help carry it. I cannot give it a home.
Caroline


-----Original Message-----
From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?


Hello:  


      Might anyone provide space for the Green Party Printer?  If it doesn't find another home in the next few days, it may go to a place that recycles old electronics.  


      It's a large HP color laser printer.  Caroline said it's bigger than a washing machine but smaller than a refrigerator.  It's currently sitting in Andrea's garage, and she needs it moved before ~January 1, preferably sooner.  If you have space, we might be able to get others to move it.  


      Cameron hooked it to a router so it could be used as a network printer.  By comparison, he said a new desktop color laser that prints roughly 3 times as fast can be purchased for perhaps $250 today.  A toner cartridge set runs roughly $125 and lasts perhaps 40,000 sheets.  If those numbers are accurate, then toner is roughly 3 cents per page.  This makes it much cheaper than color ink jet -- and cheaper than color copies at a copy shop.  If you wanted the current GP printer, the party would pay for the toner to print GP literature.  


      Cameron suggested we give it to a place that recycles old electronics if no one wants it.  

      
      Comments? 
      Spencer 


####################
On 12/18/2010 3:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote: 
I hope somebody can help get the printer moved for Andrea. I can't.

----- Forwarded Message ----
rom: Andrea Dorey <andi at wrytor.com>
o: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
ent: Sat, December 18, 2010 8:23:27 AM
ubject: GP HP Printer?
Caroline,
Maybe someone should plan to remove the printer from Nightingale?  I have a very 
ice couple moving in January to take over the place for a couple of years, 
aybe three if my health continues to allow me to live up on the mountain.  It's 
ut of color, but I figured that could be replenished when GP wants to print 
ore stuff.
Also, I have your frame for the banner.  And you have my audio book that I 
aven't heard yet!
I will be in Sausalito with a friend's dog for Xmas, beginning the 23rd, so I 
on't be around to help with anything.  So it's the next few days or later in 
he week?probably mid-week.  Have someone call my cell with a SHORT MESSAGE 
please) and let me know if someone might be able to haul it away.  We're going 
o have to find a permanent home for it eventually, anyway!
I'm about 100 emails behind, espec with the GP stuff due to HC business and the 
anuary newsletter.
his is a copy of the December newsletter with my interview with Susan Sackett, 
ersonal assistant to Gene Roddenberry.
If I don't see you before, have a great holiday, and take care.
ugs,
ndrea



---- Forwarded Message ----
From:* Andrea Dorey <andi at wrytor.com>
To:* Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Sent:* Sat, December 18, 2010 8:23:27 AM
Subject:* GP HP Printer?
Caroline,
Maybe someone should plan to remove the printer from Nightingale? I have a very 
ice couple moving in January to take over the place for a couple of years, 
aybe three if my health continues to allow me to live up on the mountain. It's 
ut of color, but I figured that could be replenished when GP wants to print 
ore stuff.
Also, I have your frame for the banner. And you have my audio book that I 
aven't heard yet!
I will be in Sausalito with a friend's dog for Xmas, beginning the 23rd, so I 
on't be around to help with anything. So it's the next few days or later in the 
eek?probably mid-week. Have someone call my cell with a SHORT MESSAGE (please) 
nd let me know if someone might be able to haul it away. We're going to have to 
ind a permanent home for it eventually, anyway!
I'm about 100 emails behind, espec with the GP stuff due to HC business and the 
anuary newsletter.
his is a copy of the December newsletter with my interview with Susan Sackett, 
ersonal assistant to Gene Roddenberry.
If I don't see you before, have a great holiday, and take care.
ugs,
ndrea


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pencer Graves, PE, PhD
resident and Chief Operating Officer
tructure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
51 Emerson Ct.
an Jos?, CA 95126
h:  408-655-4567

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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 19 19:37:28 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:37:28 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?
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References: <673494.20766.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
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   I've never used it, but if it's anything like my old 5si it's a real workhorse.   Half of
its mass is the bulk paper feeder, and that's an optional accessory.  So it's not really
washing-machine sized.  It's like two mini-fridges stacked, and you can do without the
lower half if you don't want it.  I get name-brand toner cartridges on Ebay for 1/8th 
the price of new HP cartiridges, and 1/4 the price of OfficeMax refills.   

  If nobody else wants it I'll tune it up and make it reliable so I can find it a home.

  In any case I'll deal with it.  I can fit it in my car.  It's my mess, I'll take care of it.

  Brian   





To: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com; carolineyacoub at att.net
From: leedobell at aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:34:16 -0500
CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?










The printer will fit in my car. I am willing to transport it. I cannot help carry it. I cannot give it a home.


Caroline






-----Original Message-----

From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>

To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>

Cc: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>

Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:31 pm

Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?





Hello:  





      Might anyone provide space for the Green Party Printer?  If it doesn't find another home in the next few days, it may go to a place that recycles old electronics.  





      It's a large HP color laser printer.  Caroline said it's bigger than a washing machine but smaller than a refrigerator.  It's currently sitting in Andrea's garage, and she needs it moved before ~January 1, preferably sooner.  If you have space, we might be able to get others to move it.  





      Cameron hooked it to a router so it could be used as a network printer.  By comparison, he said a new desktop color laser that prints roughly 3 times as fast can be purchased for perhaps $250 today.  A toner cartridge set runs roughly $125 and lasts perhaps 40,000 sheets.  If those numbers are accurate, then toner is roughly 3 cents per page.  This makes it much cheaper than color ink jet -- and cheaper than color copies at a copy shop.  If you wanted the current GP printer, the party would pay for the toner to print GP literature.  





      Cameron suggested we give it to a place that recycles old electronics if no one wants it.  



      

      Comments? 

      Spencer 





####################

On 12/18/2010 3:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote: 
I hope somebody can help get the printer moved for Andrea. I can't.



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Andrea Dorey <andi at wrytor.com>
To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 8:23:27 AM
Subject: GP HP Printer?

Caroline,

Maybe someone should plan to remove the printer from Nightingale?  I have a very 
nice couple moving in January to take over the place for a couple of years, 
maybe three if my health continues to allow me to live up on the mountain.  It's 
out of color, but I figured that could be replenished when GP wants to print 
more stuff.

Also, I have your frame for the banner.  And you have my audio book that I 
haven't heard yet!

I will be in Sausalito with a friend's dog for Xmas, beginning the 23rd, so I 
won't be around to help with anything.  So it's the next few days or later in 
the week?probably mid-week.  Have someone call my cell with a SHORT MESSAGE 
(please) and let me know if someone might be able to haul it away.  We're going 
to have to find a permanent home for it eventually, anyway!

I'm about 100 emails behind, espec with the GP stuff due to HC business and the 
January newsletter.
This is a copy of the December newsletter with my interview with Susan Sackett, 
personal assistant to Gene Roddenberry.

If I don't see you before, have a great holiday, and take care.
Hugs,
Andrea



----- Forwarded Message ----
*From:* Andrea Dorey <andi at wrytor.com>
*To:* Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
*Sent:* Sat, December 18, 2010 8:23:27 AM
*Subject:* GP HP Printer?

Caroline,

Maybe someone should plan to remove the printer from Nightingale? I have a very 
nice couple moving in January to take over the place for a couple of years, 
maybe three if my health continues to allow me to live up on the mountain. It's 
out of color, but I figured that could be replenished when GP wants to print 
more stuff.

Also, I have your frame for the banner. And you have my audio book that I 
haven't heard yet!

I will be in Sausalito with a friend's dog for Xmas, beginning the 23rd, so I 
won't be around to help with anything. So it's the next few days or later in the 
week?probably mid-week. Have someone call my cell with a SHORT MESSAGE (please) 
and let me know if someone might be able to haul it away. We're going to have to 
find a permanent home for it eventually, anyway!

I'm about 100 emails behind, espec with the GP stuff due to HC business and the 
January newsletter.
This is a copy of the December newsletter with my interview with Susan Sackett, 
personal assistant to Gene Roddenberry.

If I don't see you before, have a great holiday, and take care.
Hugs,
Andrea


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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sun Dec 19 23:06:20 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:06:20 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
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If you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a good 
one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We should discuss this
as an agenda item!

jamboi wrote:
> Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be okay.  First
> Tuesdays are okay.  Just First Wednesday is in constant conflict.
> 
> Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i have nothing
> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather like it.)
> 
> Green is Go!
> 
> Drew
> 
>> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>>
>>
>> sg
>>
>>
>> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>> 1-6-2010
>>>
>>> The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day
>>> meeting on the 6th.
>>>
>>> spencerg wrote:
>>>>    Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to
>>>> change it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting
>>>>> yet. Why
>>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for
>>>>> our
>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your
>>>>> input)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Cameron
>>>>> I wrote earlier:
>>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the
>>>>>> first Wed
>>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can
>>>>>> never go
>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tian
>>>>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk
>>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>>>
>> --
>> Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
>> President and Chief Operating Officer
>> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
>> 751 Emerson Ct.
>> San Jos?, CA 95126
>> ph:  408-655-4567
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
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> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a writeup on Ross Mirkarimi's Peak Oil Art Show.
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From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Dec 20 08:22:09 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:22:09 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Environment and Economics: a hot topic.
Message-ID: <4D0F82B1.2050805@charter.net>


      Environment and Economics: a hot topic.

It may be that economists and ecologists speak very different languages. 
The gap of understanding seems as big as that between Vulcan and 
Klingon. Nowhere does this seem more apparent than in the exchanges 
between Dr. Joseph Romm (Physicist, owner of the Climate Progress 
<http://climateprogress.org/> blog) and Dr. Matthew E. Kahn (Economics, 
Professor at UCLA and owner of the Environmental and Urban Economics 
<http://greeneconomics.blogspot.com/> blog.

At issue is the question of whether the capitalist system of markets 
will enable us all to adapt to the realities of climate change. Kahn's 
main thesis seems to be that, "cities and regions will adapt to rising 
temperatures over time, slowly transforming our everyday lives as we 
change our behaviors and our surroundings". Maybe Miami will be under 
water, but spring in Fargo might be nice. He has described this at some 
length in a recent book: Climatopolis <http://climatopolis.com/>.

This is beginning to look like a pissing contest between two academics 
intent on preserving their reputations. It would be a mistake to leave 
you with that impression. This is very serious and we had better get it 
right the first time. There might not be a second chance.

T split the rest of this comparison as well as some comments on what it 
means for Green Politics off the main page and you can read it here 
<http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2010/12/environment-and-economics-hot-topic.html>:



Romm has reviewed Kahn's book twice. After the first scathingly negative 
review
(Climatopolis: How Our Cities Will Thrive in the Hotter Future [Not! 
<http://climateprogress.org/2010/09/20/climatopolis-how-our-cities-will-thrive-in-the-hotter-future-revie/>], 
( Kahn accused Romm of the sin of reviewing a book that he had not yet 
fully read. So, Romm read it cover to cover, and then wrote another 
review that was sharper than the first.(Review: Climatopolis: How our 
cities will thrive in the hotter future by Matthew Kahn is not a good 
book 
<http://climateprogress.org/2010/12/16/review-climatopolis-cities-thrive-matthew-kahn-not-a-good-book/>)

Kahn could hardly be expected to refrain from a reply 
<http://greeneconomics.blogspot.com/2010/12/joe-romm-punches-climatopolis-again.html>. 


    Joe Romm is a smart angry man. He throws some new punches at my
    Climatopolis. Under the scenario that greenhouse gas concentrations
    reach 1000 ppm (which sounds high and if we reach that number this
    would take place in the year 2200?), some of the scenarios he
    sketches may play out. He makes some reasonable points about
    tightening some of the raw calculations but he ignores two key facts
    about my book. In the next edition of the book, I will address his
    points but in no way do his points detract from the book's core
    thesis. Capitalism will help us to adapt to climate change. Out of
    self interest, we will rebuild our future cities in places that are
    less at risk from climate change and*we will be pro-active in
    embracing strategies to protect ourselves from different dimensions
    of climate change *. (Bold emphasis is mine.)



In particular, Greens need to sort this out clearly and to put forward 
candidates who understand not only the science that is telling us why 
our climate is changing, but also the long range economic issues at 
play. I am not convinced that we have found or developed more than a 
couple of candidates who might qualify on both counts. That will have to 
be the subject of later posts.

I will admit that I too have not read /Climatopolis/. I do follow both 
Romm and Kahn's blogs on a regular basis, especially since Kahn did some 
of the best initial economic analysis 
<http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/scopingplan/economics-sp/peer-review/peer_review_comments_arb_responses.pdf> 
of the effect of California's AB 32 (p.55 of the PDF linked.)

    While I support the Governor's broad AB32 goals, I am troubled by
    the economic modeling analysis that I have been asked to read. AB32
    is presented as a riskless "free lunch" for Californians. These
    economic models predict that this regulation will offer us a
    "win-win" of much lower greenhouse gas emissions and increased
    economic growth.


Kahn describes himself as a rational expectations economist 
<http://greeneconomics.blogspot.com/2010/12/reply-to-smart-email-about-rational.html>. 
That is where my gut tells me that he is wrong. His expectations are 
that people and companies will have the economic ability to adapt, 
making rational choices for long range gains rather than taking. The 
trouble with climate change is that it does not respond to quarterly 
report. If capitalism and it's response to market signals is going to 
determine how we adapt, we had better have a longer range view than that 
of a hedge fund supercomputer tweaking seeking advantage in a fraction 
of a point.

Kahn talks about how we make decisions when "we know that we do not 
know." It is my experience that most of us do not do that very well, 
especially when the goal is for some general greater good rather than 
being specific as to our selves, our families, our work. People tend to 
delay those decisions until the threat is imminent. By the, with climate 
change, it may be too late.

I don't have statistics to back up my conclusions, only some observation 
of human behavior through much of my 70 years. If we can not count on 
governments having the financial ability to provide for adaptation, and 
we also can not count on corporate long term decision making, we had 
better be building resilient local communities that can whether the 
storms to come.
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From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Dec 20 09:20:56 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:20:56 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Santa Clara Valley Habitat Conservation Plan
Message-ID: <4D0F9078.3040807@charter.net>

The following is quoted from the Morgan Hill Times.

Citizens have 120 days to comment on the long-awaited Santa Clara Valley 
Habitat Conservation Plan and the Natural Community Conservation Plan, a 
countywide plan to protect endangered species from future development.

Public comment on the 2,000-page draft plan starts today, and will 
continue until April 18, 2011.

The SCVHCP imagines a contiguous 500,000-acre swath, mostly in South 
County, to preserve and protect 21 endangered and threatened species. 
Participating in the plan are the cities of Morgan Hill, Gilroy, San 
Jose, Santa Clara County, the Santa Clara Valley Water District and the 
Valley Transportation Authority.

When completed, the plan will use building permits to allow developers 
and home builders to build on land where the covered species live if 
they implement mitigation efforts. Species covered under the plan 
include the Bay checkerspot butterfly, California red-legged frog, 
California tiger salamander.

Access to the plan starts here: 
http://www.scv-habitatplan.org/www/default.aspx

It is too long (~2000 pages) to expect everyone to read all of it.


From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Dec 20 10:41:47 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:41:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
In-Reply-To: <4D0F006C.8010800@aceweb.com>
References: <4D0914E9.9060409@sbcglobal.net><4D092385.7070203@aceweb.com><53740.69.236.189.226.1292512729.squirrel@greens.org><33
	506.69.236.189.226.1292573601.squirrel@greens.org><271214.63700.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4D0BB6A0.2080309@prodsyse.com>
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I'm going to the Peace center on the first Wednesday. If anybody else is there, 
we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy New Year. 
Happy Solstice. Happy lunar eclipse.
Caroline




________________________________
From: Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com>
To: jamboi <jamboi at greens.org>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 11:06:20 PM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010

If you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a good 
one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We should discuss this
as an agenda item!

jamboi wrote:
> Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.? First Fridays would be okay.? First
> Tuesdays are okay.? Just First Wednesday is in constant conflict.
> 
> Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i have nothing
> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather like it.)
> 
> Green is Go!
> 
> Drew
> 
>> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>>
>>
>> sg
>>
>>
>> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>> 1-6-2010
>>>
>>> The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day
>>> meeting on the 6th.
>>>
>>> spencerg wrote:
>>>>? ? Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to
>>>> change it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting
>>>>> yet. Why
>>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for
>>>>> our
>>>>> General Meeting.? Would that work for others (please provide your
>>>>> input)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Cameron
>>>>> I wrote earlier:
>>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the
>>>>>> first Wed
>>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).? There is another meeting i can
>>>>>> never go
>>>>>> to because of our schedule.? I know other people also have this
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.? Could we finally act
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?? If we can consens to move to
>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tian
>>>>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk
>>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>>>
>> --
>> Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
>> President and Chief Operating Officer
>> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
>> 751 Emerson Ct.
>> San Jos?, CA 95126
>> ph:? 408-655-4567
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
> 
> 
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-- 
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Latest change: Added a writeup on Ross Mirkarimi's Peak Oil Art Show.
The PB Park pin I got in '00 is on a Massacusetts quarter right now.

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Dec 20 10:44:07 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:44:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W9B86CBD90DD011C010D609E190@phx.gbl>
References: <673494.20766.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
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Wow Brian. What a lovely attitude! 
Caroline




________________________________
From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
To: leedobell at aol.com; spencer.graves at prodsyse.com; carolineyacoub at att.net
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 7:37:28 PM
Subject: RE: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?

?? 

?? I've never used it, but if it's anything like my old 5si it's a real 
workhorse.?? Half of
its mass is the bulk paper feeder, and that's an optional accessory.? So it's 
not really
washing-machine sized.? It's like two mini-fridges stacked, and you can do 
without the
lower half if you don't want it.? I get name-brand toner cartridges on Ebay for 
1/8th 

the price of new HP cartiridges, and 1/4 the price of OfficeMax refills. ? 

? If nobody else wants it I'll tune it up and make it reliable so I can find it 
a home.

? In any case I'll deal with it.? I can fit it in my car.? It's my mess, I'll 
take care of it.

? Brian ? 





________________________________
To: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com; carolineyacoub at att.net
From: leedobell at aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:34:16 -0500
CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?




The printer will fit in my car. I am willing to transport it. I cannot help 
carry it. I cannot give it a home.
Caroline


-----Original Message-----
From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GP HP Printer?


Hello:? 


????? Might anyone provide space for the Green Party Printer?? If it doesn't 
find another home in the next few days, it may go to a place that recycles old 
electronics.? 



????? It's a large HP color laser printer.? Caroline said it's bigger than a 
washing machine but smaller than a refrigerator.? It's currently sitting in 
Andrea's garage, and she needs it moved before ~January 1, preferably sooner.? 
If you have space, we might be able to get others to move it.? 



????? Cameron hooked it to a router so it could be used as a network printer.? 
By comparison, he said a new desktop color laser that prints roughly 3 times as 
fast can be purchased for perhaps $250 today.? A toner cartridge set runs 
roughly $125 and lasts perhaps 40,000 sheets.? If those numbers are accurate, 
then toner is roughly 3 cents per page.? This makes it much cheaper than color 
ink jet -- and cheaper than color copies at a copy shop.? If you wanted the 
current GP printer, the party would pay for the toner to print GP literature.? 



????? Cameron suggested we give it to a place that recycles old electronics if 
no one wants it.? 


????? 
????? Comments? 
????? Spencer 


####################
On 12/18/2010 3:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote: 
I hope somebody can help get the printer moved for Andrea. I can't.
>
>
>
>----- Forwarded Message ----
>From: Andrea Dorey <andi at wrytor.com>
>To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 8:23:27 AM
>Subject: GP HP Printer?
>
>Caroline,
>
>Maybe someone should plan to remove the printer from Nightingale?? I have a very 
>
>nice couple moving in January to take over the place for a couple of years, 
>maybe three if my health continues to allow me to live up on the mountain.? It's 
>
>out of color, but I figured that could be replenished when GP wants to print 
>more stuff.
>
>Also, I have your frame for the banner.? And you have my audio book that I 
>haven't heard yet!
>
>I will be in Sausalito with a friend's dog for Xmas, beginning the 23rd, so I 
>won't be around to help with anything.? So it's the next few days or later in 
>the week?probably mid-week.? Have someone call my cell with a SHORT MESSAGE 
>(please) and let me know if someone might be able to haul it away.? We're going 

>to have to find a permanent home for it eventually, anyway!
>
>I'm about 100 emails behind, espec with the GP stuff due to HC business and the 

>January newsletter.
>This is a copy of the December newsletter with my interview with Susan Sackett, 

>personal assistant to Gene Roddenberry.
>
>If I don't see you before, have a great holiday, and take care.
>Hugs,
>Andrea
>
>
>
>
>----- Forwarded Message ----
>*From:* Andrea Dorey <andi at wrytor.com>
>*To:* Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>*Sent:* Sat, December 18, 2010 8:23:27 AM
>*Subject:* GP HP Printer?
>
>Caroline,
>
>Maybe someone should plan to remove the printer from Nightingale? I have a very 

>nice couple moving in January to take over the place for a couple of years, 
>maybe three if my health continues to allow me to live up on the mountain. It's 

>out of color, but I figured that could be replenished when GP wants to print 
>more stuff.
>
>Also, I have your frame for the banner. And you have my audio book that I 
>haven't heard yet!
>
>I will be in Sausalito with a friend's dog for Xmas, beginning the 23rd, so I 
>won't be around to help with anything. So it's the next few days or later in the 
>
>week?probably mid-week. Have someone call my cell with a SHORT MESSAGE (please) 

>and let me know if someone might be able to haul it away. We're going to have to 
>
>find a permanent home for it eventually, anyway!
>
>I'm about 100 emails behind, espec with the GP stuff due to HC business and the 

>January newsletter.
>This is a copy of the December newsletter with my interview with Susan Sackett, 

>personal assistant to Gene Roddenberry.
>
>If I don't see you before, have a great holiday, and take care.
>Hugs,
>Andrea
>
>
>
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From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
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       Do we have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan. 5?


       That's the time and place listed on 
"www.cagreens.org/santaclara".  Before we change, I think we should (a) 
have an official decision in an official meeting AND (b) change our web 
site well in advance so it's properly advertised.


       Spencer


On 12/20/2010 10:41 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> I'm going to the Peace center on the first Wednesday. If anybody else is there,
> we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy New Year.
> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar eclipse.
> Caroline
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
> To: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 11:06:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>
> If you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a good
> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We should discuss this
> as an agenda item!
>
> jamboi wrote:
>> Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be okay.  First
>> Tuesdays are okay.  Just First Wednesday is in constant conflict.
>>
>> Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i have nothing
>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather like it.)
>>
>> Green is Go!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>>>
>>>
>>> sg
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>
>>>> The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day
>>>> meeting on the 6th.
>>>>
>>>> spencerg wrote:
>>>>>      Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to
>>>>> change it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting
>>>>>> yet. Why
>>>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your
>>>>>> input)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Cameron
>>>>>> I wrote earlier:
>>>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the
>>>>>>> first Wed
>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can
>>>>>>> never go
>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Tian
>>>>>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>>>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk
>>>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter
>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>>>>

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From vdf at juno.com  Mon Dec 20 19:16:33 2010
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 03:16:33 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
Message-ID: <20101220.191633.19551.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Hi folks,

If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and Justice Center, regardless of the date, we should take steps to ensure that the SJP&JC's website reflects the correct info, also:

a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's website lists Green Party meetings for Wednesday, January 5 and Wednesday, February 2, but none after that.

b)  The page for Community Partners http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says that we meet on the first Thursday.

c)  The page for the Green Party http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we meet on the first Thursday.

Best holiday wishes to all,
Valerie

~*~*~*~

Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an unusually high number of dogs this season http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.

Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can adopt or foster a dog:
*  San Jose Animal Care Center: http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or 408-578-7297.
*  South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com or 408-686-3900.
*  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority: http://www.svaca.com or 408-764-0344.
*  Palo Alto Animal Services: http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or 650-329-2413.
*  To learn more about fostering, call the Humane Society of Silicon Valley's foster information line at 408-262-2133, ext. 184, or visit their website at http://www.hssv.org.

Thanks for reading this far and Happy Holidays! - Valerie

---------- Original Message ----------
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010


       Do we have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan. 5?


       That's the time and place listed on 
"www.cagreens.org/santaclara".  Before we change, I think we should (a) 
have an official decision in an official meeting AND (b) change our web 
site well in advance so it's properly advertised.


       Spencer


On 12/20/2010 10:41 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> I'm going to the Peace center on the first Wednesday. If anybody else is there,
> we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy New Year.
> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar eclipse.
> Caroline
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
> To: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 11:06:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>
> If you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a good
> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We should discuss this
> as an agenda item!
>
> jamboi wrote:
>> Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be okay.  First
>> Tuesdays are okay.  Just First Wednesday is in constant conflict.
>>
>> Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i have nothing
>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather like it.)
>>
>> Green is Go!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>>>
>>>
>>> sg
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>
>>>> The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day
>>>> meeting on the 6th.
>>>>
>>>> spencerg wrote:
>>>>>      Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to
>>>>> change it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting
>>>>>> yet. Why
>>>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your
>>>>>> input)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Cameron
>>>>>> I wrote earlier:
>>>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the
>>>>>>> first Wed
>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can
>>>>>>> never go
>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Tian
>>>>>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>>>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk
>>>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter
>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>>>>

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567

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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Mon Dec 20 20:11:11 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:11:11 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
In-Reply-To: <20101220.191633.19551.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20101220.191633.19551.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4D1028DF.8010502@prodsyse.com>

       Who is the web master?  I'm willing to do a few things as an 
assistant web master, but I don't think I know enough to be the official 
web master.  I've done some limited web design (using MS Word 
supplemented by directly editing the HTML code), but I could use help 
doing whatever the group wanted.  Also, I hope I can do everything using 
open source software;  I'm not eager to purchase new software.


       Might this be an agenda item for Wed., Jan. 5?


       Spencer


On 12/20/2010 7:16 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and Justice Center, regardless of the date, we should take steps to ensure that the SJP&JC's website reflects the correct info, also:
>
> a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose Peace&  Justice Center's website lists Green Party meetings for Wednesday, January 5 and Wednesday, February 2, but none after that.
>
> b)  The page for Community Partners http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says that we meet on the first Thursday.
>
> c)  The page for the Green Party http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we meet on the first Thursday.
>
> Best holiday wishes to all,
> Valerie
>
> ~*~*~*~
>
> Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an unusually high number of dogs this season http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.
>
> Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can adopt or foster a dog:
> *  San Jose Animal Care Center: http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or 408-578-7297.
> *  South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com or 408-686-3900.
> *  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority: http://www.svaca.com or 408-764-0344.
> *  Palo Alto Animal Services: http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or 650-329-2413.
> *  To learn more about fostering, call the Humane Society of Silicon Valley's foster information line at 408-262-2133, ext. 184, or visit their website at http://www.hssv.org.
>
> Thanks for reading this far and Happy Holidays! - Valerie
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
> From: spencerg<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
> To: Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>
>
>         Do we have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan. 5?
>
>
>         That's the time and place listed on
> "www.cagreens.org/santaclara".  Before we change, I think we should (a)
> have an official decision in an official meeting AND (b) change our web
> site well in advance so it's properly advertised.
>
>
>         Spencer
>
>
> On 12/20/2010 10:41 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>> I'm going to the Peace center on the first Wednesday. If anybody else is there,
>> we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy New Year.
>> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar eclipse.
>> Caroline
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>> To: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 11:06:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>>
>> If you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a good
>> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We should discuss this
>> as an agenda item!
>>
>> jamboi wrote:
>>> Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be okay.  First
>>> Tuesdays are okay.  Just First Wednesday is in constant conflict.
>>>
>>> Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i have nothing
>>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather like it.)
>>>
>>> Green is Go!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>
>>>>> The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day
>>>>> meeting on the 6th.
>>>>>
>>>>> spencerg wrote:
>>>>>>       Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to
>>>>>> change it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting
>>>>>>> yet. Why
>>>>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your
>>>>>>> input)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Cameron
>>>>>>> I wrote earlier:
>>>>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the
>>>>>>>> first Wed
>>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can
>>>>>>>> never go
>>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this
>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Tian
>>>>>>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>>>>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk
>>>>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter
>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>>>>>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Tue Dec 21 00:46:10 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:46:10 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
In-Reply-To: <20101220.191633.19551.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20101220.191633.19551.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4D106952.9070505@aceweb.com>

Thursdays don't work for me in the summer. At that time I have something
else to go to.

I've not put further meetings on the schedule because I wanted to hear
what comes up in the discussion. I'd like to go to a later week of the 
month. Second or third Wednesday would be my preference.

I have no idea who those people listing it as Thursday are listening to.
It ain't me for sure!

Tian

Valerie D. Face wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and Justice Center, regardless of the date, we should take steps to ensure that the SJP&JC's website reflects the correct info, also:
> 
> a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's website lists Green Party meetings for Wednesday, January 5 and Wednesday, February 2, but none after that.
> 
> b)  The page for Community Partners http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says that we meet on the first Thursday.
> 
> c)  The page for the Green Party http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we meet on the first Thursday.
> 
> Best holiday wishes to all,
> Valerie
> 
> ~*~*~*~
> 
> Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an unusually high number of dogs this season http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.
> 
> Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can adopt or foster a dog:
> *  San Jose Animal Care Center: http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or 408-578-7297.
> *  South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com or 408-686-3900.
> *  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority: http://www.svaca.com or 408-764-0344.
> *  Palo Alto Animal Services: http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or 650-329-2413.
> *  To learn more about fostering, call the Humane Society of Silicon Valley's foster information line at 408-262-2133, ext. 184, or visit their website at http://www.hssv.org.
> 
> Thanks for reading this far and Happy Holidays! - Valerie
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
> From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
> To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
> 
> 
>        Do we have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan. 5?
> 
> 
>        That's the time and place listed on 
> "www.cagreens.org/santaclara".  Before we change, I think we should (a) 
> have an official decision in an official meeting AND (b) change our web 
> site well in advance so it's properly advertised.
> 
> 
>        Spencer
> 
> 
> On 12/20/2010 10:41 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>> I'm going to the Peace center on the first Wednesday. If anybody else is there,
>> we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy New Year.
>> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar eclipse.
>> Caroline
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>> To: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 11:06:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday, 1-6-2010
>>
>> If you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a good
>> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We should discuss this
>> as an agenda item!
>>
>> jamboi wrote:
>>> Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be okay.  First
>>> Tuesdays are okay.  Just First Wednesday is in constant conflict.
>>>
>>> Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i have nothing
>>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather like it.)
>>>
>>> Green is Go!
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>>> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>
>>>>> The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day
>>>>> meeting on the 6th.
>>>>>
>>>>> spencerg wrote:
>>>>>>      Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether to
>>>>>> change it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting
>>>>>>> yet. Why
>>>>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday for
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your
>>>>>>> input)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Cameron
>>>>>>> I wrote earlier:
>>>>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the
>>>>>>>> first Wed
>>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can
>>>>>>>> never go
>>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this
>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally act
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move to
>>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the meeting
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to do
>>>>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Tian
>>>>>>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>>>>>>> Latest change: Added a picture of 2010's quarters culled from junk
>>>>>>>>> mail.
>>>>>>>>> The manga video pin I got in '04 is on an American Samoa quarter
>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>>>>>>
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a writeup on Ross Mirkarimi's Peak Oil Art Show.
The PB Park pin I got in '00 is on a Free Trade Fob right now.



From jamboi at greens.org  Tue Dec 21 08:04:35 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:04:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to 2nd Wednesday(?) 1-21-11
In-Reply-To: <4D106952.9070505@aceweb.com>
References: <20101220.191633.19551.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>
	<4D106952.9070505@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <34202.69.236.189.226.1292947475.squirrel@greens.org>

Tian's idea of moving to 2nd or third week of month would be fine with me.
Any day of the week in the 2nd week of the month would be better for me
than the current 1st Wednesday, including 2nd Wednesday, (though i do have
a regular event that day as well as on 2nd Thursday i'd be okay to
sacrifice them for the Green Party General Meeting).

Green is Peace,
Drew

BTW, i haven't confirmed it, but someone who should know just told me that
Green Peace is on the "terrorist" watch list(!!!)

> Thursdays don't work for me in the summer. At that time I have something
> else to go to.
>
> I've not put further meetings on the schedule because I wanted to hear
> what comes up in the discussion. I'd like to go to a later week of the
> month. Second or third Wednesday would be my preference.
>
> I have no idea who those people listing it as Thursday are listening to.
> It ain't me for sure!
>
> Tian
>
> Valerie D. Face wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and Justice Center,
>> regardless of the date, we should take steps to ensure that the SJP&JC's
>> website reflects the correct info, also:
>>
>> a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's
>> website lists Green Party meetings for Wednesday, January 5 and
>> Wednesday, February 2, but none after that.
>>
>> b)  The page for Community Partners
>> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says that we meet
>> on the first Thursday.
>>
>> c)  The page for the Green Party
>> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we meet on
>> the first Thursday.
>>
>> Best holiday wishes to all,
>> Valerie
>>
>> ~*~*~*~
>>
>> Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an unusually high number of dogs
>> this season http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.
>>
>> Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can adopt or
>> foster a dog:
>> *  San Jose Animal Care Center: http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or
>> 408-578-7297.
>> *  South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com or
>> 408-686-3900.
>> *  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority: http://www.svaca.com or
>> 408-764-0344.
>> *  Palo Alto Animal Services:
>> http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or
>> 650-329-2413.
>> *  To learn more about fostering, call the Humane Society of Silicon
>> Valley's foster information line at 408-262-2133, ext. 184, or visit
>> their website at http://www.hssv.org.
>>
>> Thanks for reading this far and Happy Holidays! - Valerie
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
>> From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>> To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>> 1-6-2010
>>
>>
>>        Do we have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan. 5?
>>
>>
>>        That's the time and place listed on
>> "www.cagreens.org/santaclara".  Before we change, I think we should (a)
>> have an official decision in an official meeting AND (b) change our web
>> site well in advance so it's properly advertised.
>>
>>
>>        Spencer
>>
>>
>> On 12/20/2010 10:41 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>> I'm going to the Peace center on the first Wednesday. If anybody else
>>> is there,
>>> we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy New
>>> Year.
>>> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar eclipse.
>>> Caroline
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>> To: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 11:06:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>> 1-6-2010
>>>
>>> If you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a good
>>> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We should discuss this
>>> as an agenda item!
>>>
>>> jamboi wrote:
>>>> Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be okay.
>>>> First
>>>> Tuesdays are okay.  Just First Wednesday is in constant conflict.
>>>>
>>>> Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i have
>>>> nothing
>>>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather like
>>>> it.)
>>>>
>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>>> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The meeting space is already taken by the International Womens Day
>>>>>> meeting on the 6th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> spencerg wrote:
>>>>>>>      Or keep the current date for January and decide then whether
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> change it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the meeting
>>>>>>>> yet. Why
>>>>>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first Thursday
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please provide your
>>>>>>>> input)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Spencer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Cameron
>>>>>>>> I wrote earlier:
>>>>>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting off the
>>>>>>>>> first Wed
>>>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another meeting i can
>>>>>>>>> never go
>>>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also have this
>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we finally
>>>>>>>>> act
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens to move
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the
>>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>>>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for distributing
>>>>>>>>>> files.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what to
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Tian




From fredd at freeshell.org  Tue Dec 21 14:29:29 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:29:29 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Forum: Urban Water Management Plans
Message-ID: <4D112A49.50201@freeshell.org>

Of interest to the Green Party:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Forum: Urban Water Management Plans
Date: 	Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:44:45 -0800
From: 	Peter Drekmeier <peter at Tuolumne.org>



Friends,

This will be an excellent community forum.  Please join us, and if you 
know of others who might be interested, please spread the word.

Thanks and Happy holidays!

-Peter

*It Takes a Village: Working Together to Craft Effective Urban Water 
Management Plans*

*Monday, January 10, 2011, 1:00-3:30pm*
Redwood City Council Chambers, 1017 Middlefield Road, Redwood City
Free and open to the public

Every five years water suppliers in California must update their Urban 
Water Management Plans (UWMPs). UWMPs describe the service area of the 
water supplier, including current and projected population, climate, and 
other demographic factors affecting the supplier's water management 
planning. They must identify and quantify the existing and planned 
sources of water available to the supplier and provide a description of 
the supplier's water demand management measures. The current round of 
UWMPs (due by July 1, 2011) is especially important because agencies 
must identify how they plan to reduce their potable water use by 20% by 
2020 in accordance with SBx7-7.
*
*
*Agenda*
*
*
1) Presentation on the purpose and requirements of UWMPs by Peter 
Brostrom, California Department of Water Resources.

2) Panel Discussion featuring:
*Art Jensen, Bay Area Water Supply and Conservation Agency (moderator)*
*Peter Brostrom, California Department of Water Resources*
*Catherine Elvert, City of Palo Alto Utilities*
*Justine Ezell, City of Redwood City Public Works*
*Molly Petrick, San Francisco Public Utilities Commission*
*
*
*Target Audience: Water agency/city employees, elected officials, 
representatives of nonprofit organizations and the general public.*
*
*
*Sponsored by the Tuolumne River Trust and Wholly H2o. Hosted by the 
City of Redwood City.*
*
*
*For more information contact Peter Drekmeier at peter at tuolumne.org 
<mailto:peter at tuolumne.org> or (415) 882-7252.*
*
*
-----------------------------
Peter Drekmeier
Bay Area Program Director
Tuolumne River Trust
111 New Montgomery, #205
San Francisco, CA 94105
(415) 882-7252 x 302
peter at tuolumne.org <mailto:peter at tuolumne.org>
http://www.tuolumne.org/bayarea
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From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Dec 21 16:01:41 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:01:41 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Forum: Urban Water Management Plans
In-Reply-To: <4D112A49.50201@freeshell.org>
References: <4D112A49.50201@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <4D113FE5.1070304@charter.net>

Fred,
thank you for forwarding this.  If Peter is involved, it should be a 
good program.l

If there is anyone who plans to target the 2012 election cycle for 
Peninsula and the Valley, , note the following will be termed out.

State Senate
Joe Simitian (D-SD11)  *
Elaine Alquist (D-SD13)

Assembly
Jim Beall, Jr. (D-AD24)  *

Simitian is an interesting piece of work.   While leaning progressive on 
many things, he has been a power player on water issues and not friendly 
to anyone other than the water agencies who scheme to get all the water 
that they can.  Replacing Simitian with someone who can really work for 
the long range good of the district will help everyone.

If anyone has any idea of going after the 11th SD seat, this would be a 
good time / venue to start.



On 12/21/2010 2:29 PM, fred wrote:
> Of interest to the Green Party:
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Forum: Urban Water Management Plans
> Date: 	Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:44:45 -0800
> From: 	Peter Drekmeier <peter at Tuolumne.org>
>
>
>
> Friends,
>
> This will be an excellent community forum.  Please join us, and if you 
> know of others who might be interested, please spread the word.
>
> Thanks and Happy holidays!
>
> -Peter

>
> *It Takes a Village: Working Together to Craft Effective Urban Water 
> Management Plans*
>
> *Monday, January 10, 2011, 1:00-3:30pm*
> Redwood City Council Chambers, 1017 Middlefield Road, Redwood City
> Free and open to the public

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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 16:36:02 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:36:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to 2nd Wednesday(?) 1-21-11
Message-ID: <282ab.5c412f9a.3a4544f2@aol.com>

The GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group has been  holding its 
monthly teleconference on the 2nd Wednesday (evening).  As  people who have known 
me for years are aware, I generally do not attend meetings  on Friday 
evenings.  The GPUS California Delegation holds its monthly  teleconference on 
the 3rd Tuesday (evening).  The Japantown Neighborhood  Association holds its 
bi-monthly meeting on 3rd Thursdays.   Warner
 
 
In a message dated 12/21/2010 8:04:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jamboi at greens.org writes:

Tian's  idea of moving to 2nd or third week of month would be fine with me.
Any day  of the week in the 2nd week of the month would be better for me
than the  current 1st Wednesday, including 2nd Wednesday, (though i do have
a regular  event that day as well as on 2nd Thursday i'd be okay to
sacrifice them for  the Green Party General Meeting).

Green is Peace,
Drew

BTW, i  haven't confirmed it, but someone who should know just told me that
Green  Peace is on the "terrorist" watch list(!!!)

> Thursdays don't work  for me in the summer. At that time I have something
> else to go  to.
>
> I've not put further meetings on the schedule because I  wanted to hear
> what comes up in the discussion. I'd like to go to a  later week of the
> month. Second or third Wednesday would be my  preference.
>
> I have no idea who those people listing it as  Thursday are listening to.
> It ain't me for sure!
>
>  Tian
>
> Valerie D. Face wrote:
>> Hi  folks,
>>
>> If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and  Justice Center,
>> regardless of the date, we should take steps to  ensure that the SJP&JC's
>> website reflects the correct info,  also:
>>
>> a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose  Peace & Justice Center's
>> website lists Green Party meetings  for Wednesday, January 5 and
>> Wednesday, February 2, but none after  that.
>>
>> b)  The page for Community  Partners
>> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says  that we meet
>> on the first Thursday.
>>
>>  c)  The page for the Green Party
>>  http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we meet  
on
>> the first Thursday.
>>
>> Best holiday wishes  to all,
>> Valerie
>>
>>  ~*~*~*~
>>
>> Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an  unusually high number of dogs
>> this season  http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.
>>
>>  Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can adopt  or
>> foster a dog:
>> *  San Jose Animal Care Center:  http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or
>> 408-578-7297.
>> *   South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com or
>>  408-686-3900.
>> *  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority:  http://www.svaca.com or
>> 408-764-0344.
>> *  Palo  Alto Animal Services:
>>  http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or
>>  650-329-2413.
>> *  To learn more about fostering, call the  Humane Society of Silicon
>> Valley's foster information line at  408-262-2133, ext. 184, or visit
>> their website at  http://www.hssv.org.
>>
>> Thanks for reading this far and  Happy Holidays! - Valerie
>>
>> ---------- Original Message  ----------
>> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
>> From:  spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>> To: Caroline Yacoub  <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>> Cc:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the  meeting date to first Thursday,
>>  1-6-2010
>>
>>
>>        Do we  have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan.  5?
>>
>>
>>        That's the  time and place listed on
>> "www.cagreens.org/santaclara".   Before we change, I think we should (a)
>> have an official decision  in an official meeting AND (b) change our web
>> site well in advance  so it's properly advertised.
>>
>>
>>     Spencer
>>
>>
>> On 12/20/2010 10:41  AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>> I'm going to the Peace center on  the first Wednesday. If anybody else
>>> is there,
>>>  we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy  New
>>> Year.
>>> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar  eclipse.
>>>  Caroline
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  ________________________________
>>> From: Tian  Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>> To:  jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>> Cc:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010  11:06:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date  to first Thursday,
>>> 1-6-2010
>>>
>>> If  you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a  
good
>>> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We  should discuss this
>>> as an agenda  item!
>>>
>>> jamboi wrote:
>>>> Friday  Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be  okay.
>>>> First
>>>> Tuesdays are okay.   Just First Wednesday is in constant  conflict.
>>>>
>>>> Also we could consider a  different meeting location (though i have
>>>>  nothing
>>>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center  and rather like
>>>>  it.)
>>>>
>>>> Green is  Go!
>>>>
>>>>  Drew
>>>>
>>>>> Can we get it for Jan.  7?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  sg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On  12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks  for thinking of that,  Tian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Tian  Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>>> To:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December  17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat]  Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>>>  1-6-2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The meeting  space is already taken by the International Womens  Day
>>>>>> meeting on the  6th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> spencerg  wrote:
>>>>>>>      Or keep the current  date for January and decide then whether
>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>> change  it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Spencer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub  wrote:
>>>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from  enough people to move the meeting
>>>>>>>> yet.  Why
>>>>>>>> don't you individually email the  people who usually  go?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From:  jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>>>> To:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri,  December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject:  [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first  Thursday,
>>>>>>>>  1-6-2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first  Thursday
>>>>>>>>  for
>>>>>>>>  our
>>>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work  for others (please provide your
>>>>>>>>  input)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Green is  Go!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Drew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Thursday would work better than Tuesday for  me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Spencer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would  work better than Wednesday for  me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  -Cameron
>>>>>>>> I wrote  earlier:
>>>>>>>>> Could we please consider and  act upon moving the meeting off the
>>>>>>>>>  first Wed
>>>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first  Thursday?).  There is another meeting i  
can
>>>>>>>>> never  go
>>>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I  know other people also have this
>>>>>>>>>  problem
>>>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it  (lots) previously.  Could we  finally
>>>>>>>>>  act
>>>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date  please?  If we can consens to  move
>>>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic,  if not i propose moving the
>>>>>>>>>  meeting
>>>>>>>>>  as
>>>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move  the Feb. (and  thereafter).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Green is Go!
>>>>>>>>>  Drew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for  distributing
>>>>>>>>>>  files.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Goals and  priorities for the coming  year.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what  
to
>>>>>>>>>>>  do
>>>>>>>>>>> with the information they  provide, what action to  take.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>>>>  Tian


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From jamboi at greens.org  Fri Dec 24 08:15:26 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:15:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to 2nd Wednesday(?) 1-21-11
In-Reply-To: <282ab.5c412f9a.3a4544f2@aol.com>
References: <282ab.5c412f9a.3a4544f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47413.69.236.189.226.1293207326.squirrel@greens.org>

Any chance the GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group could move its
meeting so you'd be available to join us on the 2nd Wed. of the month for
our General Meeting Warner?  (Note that the first Wed would then be avail
for you to chair a CCWG meeting.  Note also i'm offering to give up
something i do monthly on 2nd Wed. to make this happen).

Green is Go!

Drew


> The GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group has been  holding its
> monthly teleconference on the 2nd Wednesday (evening).  As  people who
> have known
> me for years are aware, I generally do not attend meetings  on Friday
> evenings.  The GPUS California Delegation holds its monthly
> teleconference on
> the 3rd Tuesday (evening).  The Japantown Neighborhood  Association holds
> its
> bi-monthly meeting on 3rd Thursdays.   Warner
>
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2010 8:04:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> jamboi at greens.org writes:
>
> Tian's  idea of moving to 2nd or third week of month would be fine with
> me.
> Any day  of the week in the 2nd week of the month would be better for me
> than the  current 1st Wednesday, including 2nd Wednesday, (though i do
> have
> a regular  event that day as well as on 2nd Thursday i'd be okay to
> sacrifice them for  the Green Party General Meeting).
>
> Green is Peace,
> Drew
>
> BTW, i  haven't confirmed it, but someone who should know just told me
> that
> Green  Peace is on the "terrorist" watch list(!!!)
>
>> Thursdays don't work  for me in the summer. At that time I have
>> something
>> else to go  to.
>>
>> I've not put further meetings on the schedule because I  wanted to hear
>> what comes up in the discussion. I'd like to go to a  later week of the
>> month. Second or third Wednesday would be my  preference.
>>
>> I have no idea who those people listing it as  Thursday are listening
>> to.
>> It ain't me for sure!
>>
>>  Tian
>>
>> Valerie D. Face wrote:
>>> Hi  folks,
>>>
>>> If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and  Justice Center,
>>> regardless of the date, we should take steps to  ensure that the
>>> SJP&JC's
>>> website reflects the correct info,  also:
>>>
>>> a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose  Peace & Justice Center's
>>> website lists Green Party meetings  for Wednesday, January 5 and
>>> Wednesday, February 2, but none after  that.
>>>
>>> b)  The page for Community  Partners
>>> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says  that we meet
>>> on the first Thursday.
>>>
>>>  c)  The page for the Green Party
>>>  http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we meet
> on
>>> the first Thursday.
>>>
>>> Best holiday wishes  to all,
>>> Valerie
>>>
>>>  ~*~*~*~
>>>
>>> Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an  unusually high number of
>>> dogs
>>> this season  http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.
>>>
>>>  Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can adopt  or
>>> foster a dog:
>>> *  San Jose Animal Care Center:  http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or
>>> 408-578-7297.
>>> *   South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com or
>>>  408-686-3900.
>>> *  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority:  http://www.svaca.com or
>>> 408-764-0344.
>>> *  Palo  Alto Animal Services:
>>>  http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or
>>>  650-329-2413.
>>> *  To learn more about fostering, call the  Humane Society of Silicon
>>> Valley's foster information line at  408-262-2133, ext. 184, or visit
>>> their website at  http://www.hssv.org.
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading this far and  Happy Holidays! - Valerie
>>>
>>> ---------- Original Message  ----------
>>> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
>>> From:  spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>>> To: Caroline Yacoub  <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>> Cc:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the  meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>  1-6-2010
>>>
>>>
>>>        Do we  have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan.  5?
>>>
>>>
>>>        That's the  time and place listed on
>>> "www.cagreens.org/santaclara".   Before we change, I think we should
>>> (a)
>>> have an official decision  in an official meeting AND (b) change our
>>> web
>>> site well in advance  so it's properly advertised.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/20/2010 10:41  AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>> I'm going to the Peace center on  the first Wednesday. If anybody else
>>>> is there,
>>>>  we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy
>>>> New
>>>> Year.
>>>> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar  eclipse.
>>>>  Caroline
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ________________________________
>>>> From: Tian  Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>> To:  jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>> Cc:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010  11:06:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date  to first Thursday,
>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>
>>>> If  you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a
> good
>>>> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We  should discuss
>>>> this
>>>> as an agenda  item!
>>>>
>>>> jamboi wrote:
>>>>> Friday  Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be  okay.
>>>>> First
>>>>> Tuesdays are okay.   Just First Wednesday is in constant  conflict.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also we could consider a  different meeting location (though i have
>>>>>  nothing
>>>>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center  and rather like
>>>>>  it.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Green is  Go!
>>>>>
>>>>>  Drew
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we get it for Jan.  7?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  sg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On  12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks  for thinking of that,  Tian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Tian  Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>>>> To:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December  17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat]  Moving the meeting date to first
>>>>>>> Thursday,
>>>>>>>  1-6-2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The meeting  space is already taken by the International Womens
>>>>>>> Day
>>>>>>> meeting on the  6th.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> spencerg  wrote:
>>>>>>>>      Or keep the current  date for January and decide then whether
>>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>>> change  it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Spencer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from  enough people to move the
>>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>>> yet.  Why
>>>>>>>>> don't you individually email the  people who usually  go?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From:  jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>>>>> To:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri,  December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject:  [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>>>>>>>>> Thursday,
>>>>>>>>>  1-6-2010
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first  Thursday
>>>>>>>>>  for
>>>>>>>>>  our
>>>>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work  for others (please provide
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>  input)?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Green is  Go!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Drew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Thursday would work better than Tuesday for  me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Spencer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would  work better than Wednesday for  me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  -Cameron
>>>>>>>>> I wrote  earlier:
>>>>>>>>>> Could we please consider and  act upon moving the meeting off
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>  first Wed
>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first  Thursday?).  There is another meeting i
> can
>>>>>>>>>> never  go
>>>>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I  know other people also have this
>>>>>>>>>>  problem
>>>>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it  (lots) previously.  Could we
>>>>>>>>>> finally
>>>>>>>>>>  act
>>>>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date  please?  If we can consens to
>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>  to
>>>>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic,  if not i propose moving the
>>>>>>>>>>  meeting
>>>>>>>>>>  as
>>>>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move  the Feb. (and  thereafter).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Green is Go!
>>>>>>>>>>  Drew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for  distributing
>>>>>>>>>>>  files.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Goals and  priorities for the coming  year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what
> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>  do
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the information they  provide, what action to  take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>>>>>  Tian
>
>
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri Dec 24 08:21:23 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:21:23 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to 2nd Wednesday(?) 1-21-11
In-Reply-To: <47413.69.236.189.226.1293207326.squirrel@greens.org>
References: <282ab.5c412f9a.3a4544f2@aol.com>
	<47413.69.236.189.226.1293207326.squirrel@greens.org>
Message-ID: <4D14C883.3000903@prodsyse.com>

What about the second Thursday?  I have not seen any conflicts with that.


Spencer


On 12/24/2010 8:15 AM, jamboi wrote:
> Any chance the GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group could move its
> meeting so you'd be available to join us on the 2nd Wed. of the month for
> our General Meeting Warner?  (Note that the first Wed would then be avail
> for you to chair a CCWG meeting.  Note also i'm offering to give up
> something i do monthly on 2nd Wed. to make this happen).
>
> Green is Go!
>
> Drew
>
>
>> The GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group has been  holding its
>> monthly teleconference on the 2nd Wednesday (evening).  As  people who
>> have known
>> me for years are aware, I generally do not attend meetings  on Friday
>> evenings.  The GPUS California Delegation holds its monthly
>> teleconference on
>> the 3rd Tuesday (evening).  The Japantown Neighborhood  Association holds
>> its
>> bi-monthly meeting on 3rd Thursdays.   Warner
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 12/21/2010 8:04:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> jamboi at greens.org writes:
>>
>> Tian's  idea of moving to 2nd or third week of month would be fine with
>> me.
>> Any day  of the week in the 2nd week of the month would be better for me
>> than the  current 1st Wednesday, including 2nd Wednesday, (though i do
>> have
>> a regular  event that day as well as on 2nd Thursday i'd be okay to
>> sacrifice them for  the Green Party General Meeting).
>>
>> Green is Peace,
>> Drew
>>
>> BTW, i  haven't confirmed it, but someone who should know just told me
>> that
>> Green  Peace is on the "terrorist" watch list(!!!)
>>
>>> Thursdays don't work  for me in the summer. At that time I have
>>> something
>>> else to go  to.
>>>
>>> I've not put further meetings on the schedule because I  wanted to hear
>>> what comes up in the discussion. I'd like to go to a  later week of the
>>> month. Second or third Wednesday would be my  preference.
>>>
>>> I have no idea who those people listing it as  Thursday are listening
>>> to.
>>> It ain't me for sure!
>>>
>>>   Tian
>>>
>>> Valerie D. Face wrote:
>>>> Hi  folks,
>>>>
>>>> If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and  Justice Center,
>>>> regardless of the date, we should take steps to  ensure that the
>>>> SJP&JC's
>>>> website reflects the correct info,  also:
>>>>
>>>> a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose  Peace&  Justice Center's
>>>> website lists Green Party meetings  for Wednesday, January 5 and
>>>> Wednesday, February 2, but none after  that.
>>>>
>>>> b)  The page for Community  Partners
>>>> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says  that we meet
>>>> on the first Thursday.
>>>>
>>>>   c)  The page for the Green Party
>>>>   http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we meet
>> on
>>>> the first Thursday.
>>>>
>>>> Best holiday wishes  to all,
>>>> Valerie
>>>>
>>>>   ~*~*~*~
>>>>
>>>> Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an  unusually high number of
>>>> dogs
>>>> this season  http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.
>>>>
>>>>   Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can adopt  or
>>>> foster a dog:
>>>> *  San Jose Animal Care Center:  http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or
>>>> 408-578-7297.
>>>> *   South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com or
>>>>   408-686-3900.
>>>> *  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority:  http://www.svaca.com or
>>>> 408-764-0344.
>>>> *  Palo  Alto Animal Services:
>>>>   http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or
>>>>   650-329-2413.
>>>> *  To learn more about fostering, call the  Humane Society of Silicon
>>>> Valley's foster information line at  408-262-2133, ext. 184, or visit
>>>> their website at  http://www.hssv.org.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for reading this far and  Happy Holidays! - Valerie
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Original Message  ----------
>>>> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
>>>> From:  spencerg<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>>>> To: Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>>> Cc:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the  meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>   1-6-2010
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         Do we  have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan.  5?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         That's the  time and place listed on
>>>> "www.cagreens.org/santaclara".   Before we change, I think we should
>>>> (a)
>>>> have an official decision  in an official meeting AND (b) change our
>>>> web
>>>> site well in advance  so it's properly advertised.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Spencer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/20/2010 10:41  AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>> I'm going to the Peace center on  the first Wednesday. If anybody else
>>>>> is there,
>>>>>   we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy
>>>>> New
>>>>> Year.
>>>>> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar  eclipse.
>>>>>   Caroline
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   ________________________________
>>>>> From: Tian  Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>> To:  jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>> Cc:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010  11:06:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date  to first Thursday,
>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>
>>>>> If  you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a
>> good
>>>>> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We  should discuss
>>>>> this
>>>>> as an agenda  item!
>>>>>
>>>>> jamboi wrote:
>>>>>> Friday  Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be  okay.
>>>>>> First
>>>>>> Tuesdays are okay.   Just First Wednesday is in constant  conflict.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also we could consider a  different meeting location (though i have
>>>>>>   nothing
>>>>>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center  and rather like
>>>>>>   it.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Green is  Go!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Drew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we get it for Jan.  7?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   sg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On  12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks  for thinking of that,  Tian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Tian  Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>>>>> To:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December  17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat]  Moving the meeting date to first
>>>>>>>> Thursday,
>>>>>>>>   1-6-2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The meeting  space is already taken by the International Womens
>>>>>>>> Day
>>>>>>>> meeting on the  6th.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> spencerg  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>       Or keep the current  date for January and decide then whether
>>>>>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>>> change  it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Spencer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from  enough people to move the
>>>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>>>> yet.  Why
>>>>>>>>>> don't you individually email the  people who usually  go?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From:  jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>>>>>> To:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri,  December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject:  [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>>>>>>>>>> Thursday,
>>>>>>>>>>   1-6-2010
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first  Thursday
>>>>>>>>>>   for
>>>>>>>>>>   our
>>>>>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work  for others (please provide
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>   input)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Green is  Go!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Drew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Thursday would work better than Tuesday for  me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Spencer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would  work better than Wednesday for  me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   -Cameron
>>>>>>>>>> I wrote  earlier:
>>>>>>>>>>> Could we please consider and  act upon moving the meeting off
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>   first Wed
>>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first  Thursday?).  There is another meeting i
>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> never  go
>>>>>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I  know other people also have this
>>>>>>>>>>>   problem
>>>>>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it  (lots) previously.  Could we
>>>>>>>>>>> finally
>>>>>>>>>>>   act
>>>>>>>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date  please?  If we can consens to
>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic,  if not i propose moving the
>>>>>>>>>>>   meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>   as
>>>>>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move  the Feb. (and  thereafter).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Green is Go!
>>>>>>>>>>>   Drew
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for  distributing
>>>>>>>>>>>>   files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goals and  priorities for the coming  year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and what
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the information they  provide, what action to  take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Tian
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss  mailing  list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>> ______

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From jamboi at greens.org  Fri Dec 24 09:23:20 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:23:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to 2nd Wednesday(?) 1-21-11
In-Reply-To: <4D14C883.3000903@prodsyse.com>
References: <282ab.5c412f9a.3a4544f2@aol.com>
	<47413.69.236.189.226.1293207326.squirrel@greens.org>
	<4D14C883.3000903@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <51130.69.236.189.226.1293211400.squirrel@greens.org>

i do have a conflict but would be willing to sacrifice 2nd Thur.  also if
i remember correctly previously Cameron had said Tue were better than
Thursday for him but i don't think it was clear if this was only about the
first week of the month or any week of the month.

Green is Go!

Drew

> What about the second Thursday?  I have not seen any conflicts with that.
>
>
> Spencer
>
>
> On 12/24/2010 8:15 AM, jamboi wrote:
>> Any chance the GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group could move
>> its
>> meeting so you'd be available to join us on the 2nd Wed. of the month
>> for
>> our General Meeting Warner?  (Note that the first Wed would then be
>> avail
>> for you to chair a CCWG meeting.  Note also i'm offering to give up
>> something i do monthly on 2nd Wed. to make this happen).
>>
>> Green is Go!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>>> The GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group has been  holding its
>>> monthly teleconference on the 2nd Wednesday (evening).  As  people who
>>> have known
>>> me for years are aware, I generally do not attend meetings  on Friday
>>> evenings.  The GPUS California Delegation holds its monthly
>>> teleconference on
>>> the 3rd Tuesday (evening).  The Japantown Neighborhood  Association
>>> holds
>>> its
>>> bi-monthly meeting on 3rd Thursdays.   Warner
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/21/2010 8:04:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>> jamboi at greens.org writes:
>>>
>>> Tian's  idea of moving to 2nd or third week of month would be fine with
>>> me.
>>> Any day  of the week in the 2nd week of the month would be better for
>>> me
>>> than the  current 1st Wednesday, including 2nd Wednesday, (though i do
>>> have
>>> a regular  event that day as well as on 2nd Thursday i'd be okay to
>>> sacrifice them for  the Green Party General Meeting).
>>>
>>> Green is Peace,
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> BTW, i  haven't confirmed it, but someone who should know just told me
>>> that
>>> Green  Peace is on the "terrorist" watch list(!!!)
>>>
>>>> Thursdays don't work  for me in the summer. At that time I have
>>>> something
>>>> else to go  to.
>>>>
>>>> I've not put further meetings on the schedule because I  wanted to
>>>> hear
>>>> what comes up in the discussion. I'd like to go to a  later week of
>>>> the
>>>> month. Second or third Wednesday would be my  preference.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea who those people listing it as  Thursday are listening
>>>> to.
>>>> It ain't me for sure!
>>>>
>>>>   Tian
>>>>
>>>> Valerie D. Face wrote:
>>>>> Hi  folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and  Justice Center,
>>>>> regardless of the date, we should take steps to  ensure that the
>>>>> SJP&JC's
>>>>> website reflects the correct info,  also:
>>>>>
>>>>> a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose  Peace&  Justice Center's
>>>>> website lists Green Party meetings  for Wednesday, January 5 and
>>>>> Wednesday, February 2, but none after  that.
>>>>>
>>>>> b)  The page for Community  Partners
>>>>> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says  that we
>>>>> meet
>>>>> on the first Thursday.
>>>>>
>>>>>   c)  The page for the Green Party
>>>>>   http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we
>>>>> meet
>>> on
>>>>> the first Thursday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best holiday wishes  to all,
>>>>> Valerie
>>>>>
>>>>>   ~*~*~*~
>>>>>
>>>>> Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an  unusually high number of
>>>>> dogs
>>>>> this season  http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can adopt
>>>>> or
>>>>> foster a dog:
>>>>> *  San Jose Animal Care Center:  http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or
>>>>> 408-578-7297.
>>>>> *   South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com or
>>>>>   408-686-3900.
>>>>> *  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority:  http://www.svaca.com or
>>>>> 408-764-0344.
>>>>> *  Palo  Alto Animal Services:
>>>>>   http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or
>>>>>   650-329-2413.
>>>>> *  To learn more about fostering, call the  Humane Society of Silicon
>>>>> Valley's foster information line at  408-262-2133, ext. 184, or visit
>>>>> their website at  http://www.hssv.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for reading this far and  Happy Holidays! - Valerie
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Original Message  ----------
>>>>> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
>>>>> From:  spencerg<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>>>>> To: Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>>>> Cc:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the  meeting date to first Thursday,
>>>>>   1-6-2010
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         Do we  have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan.  5?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         That's the  time and place listed on
>>>>> "www.cagreens.org/santaclara".   Before we change, I think we should
>>>>> (a)
>>>>> have an official decision  in an official meeting AND (b) change our
>>>>> web
>>>>> site well in advance  so it's properly advertised.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>      Spencer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/20/2010 10:41  AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>> I'm going to the Peace center on  the first Wednesday. If anybody
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> is there,
>>>>>>   we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever. Happy
>>>>>> New
>>>>>> Year.
>>>>>> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar  eclipse.
>>>>>>   Caroline
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Tian  Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>>> To:  jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>> Cc:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010  11:06:20 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date  to first
>>>>>> Thursday,
>>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If  you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then we've a
>>> good
>>>>>> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We  should discuss
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> as an agenda  item!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jamboi wrote:
>>>>>>> Friday  Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be  okay.
>>>>>>> First
>>>>>>> Tuesdays are okay.   Just First Wednesday is in constant  conflict.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also we could consider a  different meeting location (though i have
>>>>>>>   nothing
>>>>>>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center  and rather like
>>>>>>>   it.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Green is  Go!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Drew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can we get it for Jan.  7?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   sg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On  12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thanks  for thinking of that,  Tian.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: Tian  Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>>>>>> To:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December  17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat]  Moving the meeting date to first
>>>>>>>>> Thursday,
>>>>>>>>>   1-6-2010
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The meeting  space is already taken by the International Womens
>>>>>>>>> Day
>>>>>>>>> meeting on the  6th.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> spencerg  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>       Or keep the current  date for January and decide then
>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>>>> change  it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Spencer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from  enough people to move the
>>>>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>>>>> yet.  Why
>>>>>>>>>>> don't you individually email the  people who usually  go?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> From:  jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> To:  sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri,  December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject:  [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>>>>>>>>>>> Thursday,
>>>>>>>>>>>   1-6-2010
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first
>>>>>>>>>>> Thursday
>>>>>>>>>>>   for
>>>>>>>>>>>   our
>>>>>>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work  for others (please provide
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>   input)?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Green is  Go!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Drew
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Thursday would work better than Tuesday for  me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Spencer
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would  work better than Wednesday for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   -Cameron
>>>>>>>>>>> I wrote  earlier:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could we please consider and  act upon moving the meeting off
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>   first Wed
>>>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first  Thursday?).  There is another meeting i
>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> never  go
>>>>>>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I  know other people also have
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>   problem
>>>>>>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it  (lots) previously.  Could we
>>>>>>>>>>>> finally
>>>>>>>>>>>>   act
>>>>>>>>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date  please?  If we can consens to
>>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic,  if not i propose moving the
>>>>>>>>>>>>   meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>   as
>>>>>>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move  the Feb. (and
>>>>>>>>>>>> thereafter).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Green is Go!
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> distributing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Jim Doyle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goals and  priorities for the coming  year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the information they  provide, what action to  take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Tian
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sosfbay-discuss  mailing  list
>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>
>>> ______
>
> --
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> President and Chief Operating Officer
> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
> 751 Emerson Ct.
> San Jos?, CA 95126
> ph:  408-655-4567
>




From WB4D23 at aol.com  Fri Dec 24 17:46:42 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:46:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Updated Draft Ageneda For Jan 5th GPSCC Monthly Meeting
Message-ID: <3450d.5a099a5b.3a46a702@aol.com>

 
GREEN  PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY 
Draft  Agenda for Monthly General Membership Meeting January 5,  2011 
San  Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose,  CA 
(Near  7th and San Fernando) 
6:30  pm ? Eat and chat 
7:30  pm ? Begin meeting 
Select  Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, and Vibeswatcher(s), Select 
Agenda Preparer  for next meeting; Affirm or modify draft agenda (5 Minutes)   
Introductions  and Announcements (10 Minutes) 
Treasurer?s  Report and presentation of 2011 GPSCC projected budget ? Jim 
Doyle (15 minutes)   
General  discussion of goals for 2011 ? County Council Members (30  
minutes) 
Issues  include:  Role(s) of County Council  (see Bylaws excerpt below); 
General Meetings scheduling; Speakers at meetings;  Recruiting candidates for 
the 2012 elections (see copy of Wes Rolley email  below) 
Report  on what are current policies for use of GPSCC email list ? Tian (5  
minutes) 
Need  to recruit new regional Coordinating Council member and alternate (10 
 minutes) 
Presentation  of expected 2011 tabling events; Report on status of tabling 
materials and  supplies  -- Jim Doyle (15  Minutes) 
Review  of draft banks and credit cards bookmarks ? Spencer (5  minutes) 
Revisit  question of hosting 2012 GPUS Presidential Nominating Convention ? 
Warner (10  Minutes) 
Proposal  re GPSCC campaign re banks ? Spencer (15 minutes) ? See text 
following draft  agenda for further details 
(2  Hours Estimated Cumulative Times.  Goal:  Adjourn by 9:30  pm) 
Tabling Events  Addenda ? Needed for each item (not necessarily all at this 
 meeting): 
Confirm date and  location; Approval of fee payment (as applicable); 
Designation of coordinator(s)  and other volunteers 

No  Tabling Events Reported As Of Preparation of This Agenda 
###   
[From  GPSCC Bylaws] ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL  
2.1  Purposes  
2.1.1  The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a liaison 
between the  California Green Party and Santa Clara County officials. As 
used in these  Bylaws, the term "County Council" shall have the same meaning as 
the term  "Central Committee" as that term is used by the Office of the 
Registrar of  Voters for Santa Clara County, California.  
2.1.2  The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among its 
members, or  may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General 
County Meeting. The  Council and/or its officers will be responsible for 
complying with the financial  reporting requirements of the Fair Political  
Practices  Commission (FPPC). The Council or its officers shall be 
responsible for  obtaining an FPPC number for financial reporting. The Council may 
create such  committees or initiate such inquiries as it considers necessary 
and appropriate  to perform its collective  
responsibilities  as described in these Bylaws.  
2.1.3  Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties include 
serving as a  coordinating or steering committee to:  
a) Facilitate  communications between Green Party members within the  
county, at  county meetings, and between locals within the county.  
b) Facilitate  communications between the county Green Party and the State 
Green Party.   
c) Assist Green  Party involvement in elections in the county (including  
recruiting,  advising and assisting Green Party candidates, co-ordinating   
voter  registration efforts and tabling, and supporting ballot issues   
effecting issues  of concern to the state or county Green Party).  
d) Enhance  communications between the county Green Party and other Green   
Parties and/or  other local organizations which support the principals and  
 
objectives set  forth in the Green Party Platform.  
e) Oversee and  assist the work of committees formed by the Council, or  
outside the  Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the above   
duties, or other  duties considered necessary that are not in conflict with 
 
these ByLaws;  such as an electoral reform committee, an environmental  
issues  committee, etc.  
2.1.4  The County Council shall act as the designated contact persons for 
the Green  Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested people to 
persons who may be  designated as spokespeople for the Party at a General County 
Meeting.   
2.1.5  The County Council, by agreement of eighty percent (80%) of its 
members, may  authorize the use of the name of the Green Party of Santa Clara 
County as an  endorser or co-sponsor of an event or public statement 
consistent with the  principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform 
if time issues  make the decision necessary before it can be brought before 
the next general  meeting.  Any such County Council  authorization shall be 
reported to those present at the next monthly  meeting.  [Adopted July 1,  
2003] 
--------  Original Message -------- 
Subject:  [GPCA-MediaComm] Home - California Target Book 
Date:  Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:36:14 -0800 
From:  Wes Rolley  
http://www.californiatargetbook.com/ctb/default/index.cfm 
This  link to the California Target Book web site currently contains  a 
list  of all of the state legislators who will be termed out in 2010.  We 
should  currently be looking for ways to exploit this, especially as  Prop 
14  has kicked in beginning with the special election in for the SD  28 
special  election to be held on Feb 15. 
This  is the list with interesting (to me) opportunities marked with  * 
STATE  SENATE (4 Dem; 2 Rep) 
Joe  Simitian (D-SD11)  * 
Elaine  Alquist (D-SD13) 
Alan  Lowenthal (D-SD27) 
Bob  Dutton (R-SD31) 
Tom  Harman (R-SD35) 
Christine  Kehoe (D-SD39) 
ASSEMBLY  (17 Dem; 5 Rep) 
Jared  Huffman (D-AD6)  * 
Fiona  Ma (D-AD12) 
Sandr?  Swanson (D-AD16) 
Cathleen  Galgiani (D-AD17) 
Mary  Hayashi (D-AD18) 
Jim  Beall, Jr. (D-AD24)  * 
Cameron  Smyth (R-AD38) 
Felipe  Fuentes (D-AD39) 
Julia  Brownley (D-AD41) 
Mike  Feuer (D-AD42) 
Anthony  Portantino (D-AD44) 
Gil  Cedillo (D-AD45) 
Mike  Davis (D-AD48) 
Mike  Eng (D-AD49) 
Tony  Mendoza (D-AD56) 
Charles  Calderon (D-AD58) 
Wilma  Amina Carter (D-AD62) 
Paul  Cook (R-AD65) 
Kevin  Jeffries (R-AD66) 
Jim  Silva (R-AD67) 
Jose  Solorio (D-AD69) 
Martin  Garrick (R-AD74) 
****************************************************************************
* 
Resolved:  The Green Party of Santa Clara County  will attempt to work  
with  other organizations to build effective united action against major,   
predatory  banks.  Possible coalition members  include organizations  
involved  with people with experience with threatened or actual  
foreclosure  as well as debt counselors encouraging people to end credit   
card  debt and rank and file members of other political  organizations. 
Discussion: 
1.  The actions of predatory banks might be  the single greatest  
"sleeping  giant" among the US electorate during the current Great  
Recession.  The commercial media are complicit in  this:  They'd lose   
advertising  if their news and world views conflicted seriously with  
those  of bank executives who control advertising budgets.  This issue  
could  be large enough to convince a critical mass of the US electorate   
that  the current structure of the US media is potentially the biggest   
threat  to peace and democracy in the world today -- possibly stronger   
regulation  of both the media and the banks -- possibly even antitrust   
action. 
2.  Organizations involved with helping  people with financial  
difficulties  can provide substantive information as well as a source of   
people  who could be activated politically by a platform more rational   
than  that of the Tea Party.  I think they  would eagerly collaborate with  
others  who might help increase the political awareness of the issues   
they  work with every day.  An issue like  this could turn many nonvoters  
in this  group into active Green party members if we could find ways to   
help  build an effective political movement demanding enforcement of   
existing  laws regarding perjury and fraud against bank officers. 
3.  The Peace and Freedom Party seems  farther to the left than  
the  Greens, and I think could be persuaded to join something like this.   
American  Independents might also agree that we need substantive bank   
regulation.  Most Libertarians are probably hopeless  on this issue, but  
we  could be surprised even there. 
4.  I think the vast majority of US citizens registered as either   
Democrat  or Republican would agree with the need to increase banking   
regulation,  not decrease it as the incoming US House majority has  
promised  to do.  This could be the deciding  issue in denying reelection  
to many  incumbents in 2012. 
5.  MoveOn so far appears to have been  thinly disguised shills  
for the  Democrats.  As the Great Recession  continues and deepens, they  
may  switch allegiance, refusing to support Democrats who vote with the   
bankers  and possibly declaring themselves a separate political party or   
even  supporting Greens in some cases. 
6.  If this issue gets serious traction, it  will tarnish all the  
incumbents  who have supported liberalizing banking regulations in the   
past.  That will be a boon for minor parties,  especially the Greens if  
we  exercise leadership on this issue. 


 

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From jamboi at greens.org  Fri Dec 24 18:25:51 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:25:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving Meeting to 2nd Thur? (was Re: [GPSCC] Updated
 Draft Ageneda For Jan GPSCC Monthly Meeting)
In-Reply-To: <3450d.5a099a5b.3a46a702@aol.com>
References: <3450d.5a099a5b.3a46a702@aol.com>
Message-ID: <46470.69.236.189.226.1293243951.squirrel@greens.org>

i'm still hoping we can pick a better day *instead of* first Wed for our
General Meeting.   how about 2nd Thursday?  if not that then how about 2nd
Wed?  Those seem to be the top runners so far.

Green is Go!

Drew

> GREEN  PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY
> Draft  Agenda for Monthly General Membership Meeting January 5,  2011
> San  Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose,  CA
> (Near  7th and San Fernando)
> 6:30  pm ??? Eat and chat
> 7:30  pm ??? Begin meeting
> Select  Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, and Vibeswatcher(s), Select
> Agenda Preparer  for next meeting; Affirm or modify draft agenda (5
> Minutes)
> Introductions  and Announcements (10 Minutes)
> Treasurer???s  Report and presentation of 2011 GPSCC projected budget ???
> Jim
> Doyle (15 minutes)
> General  discussion of goals for 2011 ??? County Council Members (30
> minutes)
> Issues  include:  Role(s) of County Council  (see Bylaws excerpt below);
> General Meetings scheduling; Speakers at meetings;  Recruiting candidates
> for
> the 2012 elections (see copy of Wes Rolley email  below)
> Report  on what are current policies for use of GPSCC email list ??? Tian
> (5
> minutes)
> Need  to recruit new regional Coordinating Council member and alternate
> (10
>  minutes)
> Presentation  of expected 2011 tabling events; Report on status of tabling
> materials and  supplies  -- Jim Doyle (15  Minutes)
> Review  of draft banks and credit cards bookmarks ??? Spencer (5  minutes)
> Revisit  question of hosting 2012 GPUS Presidential Nominating Convention
> ???
> Warner (10  Minutes)
> Proposal  re GPSCC campaign re banks ??? Spencer (15 minutes) ??? See text
> following draft  agenda for further details
> (2  Hours Estimated Cumulative Times.  Goal:  Adjourn by 9:30  pm)
> Tabling Events  Addenda ??? Needed for each item (not necessarily all at
> this
>  meeting):
> Confirm date and  location; Approval of fee payment (as applicable);
> Designation of coordinator(s)  and other volunteers
>
> No  Tabling Events Reported As Of Preparation of This Agenda
> ###
> [From  GPSCC Bylaws] ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL
> 2.1  Purposes
> 2.1.1  The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a liaison
> between the  California Green Party and Santa Clara County officials. As
> used in these  Bylaws, the term "County Council" shall have the same
> meaning as
> the term  "Central Committee" as that term is used by the Office of the
> Registrar of  Voters for Santa Clara County, California.
> 2.1.2  The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among its
> members, or  may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General
> County Meeting. The  Council and/or its officers will be responsible for
> complying with the financial  reporting requirements of the Fair Political
> Practices  Commission (FPPC). The Council or its officers shall be
> responsible for  obtaining an FPPC number for financial reporting. The
> Council may
> create such  committees or initiate such inquiries as it considers
> necessary
> and appropriate  to perform its collective
> responsibilities  as described in these Bylaws.
> 2.1.3  Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties include
> serving as a  coordinating or steering committee to:
> a) Facilitate  communications between Green Party members within the
> county, at  county meetings, and between locals within the county.
> b) Facilitate  communications between the county Green Party and the State
> Green Party.
> c) Assist Green  Party involvement in elections in the county (including
> recruiting,  advising and assisting Green Party candidates, co-ordinating
> voter  registration efforts and tabling, and supporting ballot issues
> effecting issues  of concern to the state or county Green Party).
> d) Enhance  communications between the county Green Party and other Green
> Parties and/or  other local organizations which support the principals and
>
> objectives set  forth in the Green Party Platform.
> e) Oversee and  assist the work of committees formed by the Council, or
> outside the  Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the above
> duties, or other  duties considered necessary that are not in conflict
> with
>
> these ByLaws;  such as an electoral reform committee, an environmental
> issues  committee, etc.
> 2.1.4  The County Council shall act as the designated contact persons for
> the Green  Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested people to
> persons who may be  designated as spokespeople for the Party at a General
> County
> Meeting.
> 2.1.5  The County Council, by agreement of eighty percent (80%) of its
> members, may  authorize the use of the name of the Green Party of Santa
> Clara
> County as an  endorser or co-sponsor of an event or public statement
> consistent with the  principals and objectives set forth in the Green
> Party Platform
> if time issues  make the decision necessary before it can be brought
> before
> the next general  meeting.  Any such County Council  authorization shall
> be
> reported to those present at the next monthly  meeting.  [Adopted July 1,
> 2003]
> --------  Original Message --------
> Subject:  [GPCA-MediaComm] Home - California Target Book
> Date:  Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:36:14 -0800
> From:  Wes Rolley
> http://www.californiatargetbook.com/ctb/default/index.cfm
> This  link to the California Target Book web site currently contains  a
> list  of all of the state legislators who will be termed out in 2010.  We
> should  currently be looking for ways to exploit this, especially as  Prop
> 14  has kicked in beginning with the special election in for the SD  28
> special  election to be held on Feb 15.
> This  is the list with interesting (to me) opportunities marked with  *
> STATE  SENATE (4 Dem; 2 Rep)
> Joe  Simitian (D-SD11)  *
> Elaine  Alquist (D-SD13)
> Alan  Lowenthal (D-SD27)
> Bob  Dutton (R-SD31)
> Tom  Harman (R-SD35)
> Christine  Kehoe (D-SD39)
> ASSEMBLY  (17 Dem; 5 Rep)
> Jared  Huffman (D-AD6)  *
> Fiona  Ma (D-AD12)
> Sandr??  Swanson (D-AD16)
> Cathleen  Galgiani (D-AD17)
> Mary  Hayashi (D-AD18)
> Jim  Beall, Jr. (D-AD24)  *
> Cameron  Smyth (R-AD38)
> Felipe  Fuentes (D-AD39)
> Julia  Brownley (D-AD41)
> Mike  Feuer (D-AD42)
> Anthony  Portantino (D-AD44)
> Gil  Cedillo (D-AD45)
> Mike  Davis (D-AD48)
> Mike  Eng (D-AD49)
> Tony  Mendoza (D-AD56)
> Charles  Calderon (D-AD58)
> Wilma  Amina Carter (D-AD62)
> Paul  Cook (R-AD65)
> Kevin  Jeffries (R-AD66)
> Jim  Silva (R-AD67)
> Jose  Solorio (D-AD69)
> Martin  Garrick (R-AD74)
> ****************************************************************************
> *
> Resolved:  The Green Party of Santa Clara County  will attempt to work
> with  other organizations to build effective united action against major,
> predatory  banks.  Possible coalition members  include organizations
> involved  with people with experience with threatened or actual
> foreclosure  as well as debt counselors encouraging people to end credit
> card  debt and rank and file members of other political  organizations.
> Discussion:
> 1.  The actions of predatory banks might be  the single greatest
> "sleeping  giant" among the US electorate during the current Great
> Recession.  The commercial media are complicit in  this:  They'd lose
> advertising  if their news and world views conflicted seriously with
> those  of bank executives who control advertising budgets.  This issue
> could  be large enough to convince a critical mass of the US electorate
> that  the current structure of the US media is potentially the biggest
> threat  to peace and democracy in the world today -- possibly stronger
> regulation  of both the media and the banks -- possibly even antitrust
> action.
> 2.  Organizations involved with helping  people with financial
> difficulties  can provide substantive information as well as a source of
> people  who could be activated politically by a platform more rational
> than  that of the Tea Party.  I think they  would eagerly collaborate with
> others  who might help increase the political awareness of the issues
> they  work with every day.  An issue like  this could turn many nonvoters
> in this  group into active Green party members if we could find ways to
> help  build an effective political movement demanding enforcement of
> existing  laws regarding perjury and fraud against bank officers.
> 3.  The Peace and Freedom Party seems  farther to the left than
> the  Greens, and I think could be persuaded to join something like this.
> American  Independents might also agree that we need substantive bank
> regulation.  Most Libertarians are probably hopeless  on this issue, but
> we  could be surprised even there.
> 4.  I think the vast majority of US citizens registered as either
> Democrat  or Republican would agree with the need to increase banking
> regulation,  not decrease it as the incoming US House majority has
> promised  to do.  This could be the deciding  issue in denying reelection
> to many  incumbents in 2012.
> 5.  MoveOn so far appears to have been  thinly disguised shills
> for the  Democrats.  As the Great Recession  continues and deepens, they
> may  switch allegiance, refusing to support Democrats who vote with the
> bankers  and possibly declaring themselves a separate political party or
> even  supporting Greens in some cases.
> 6.  If this issue gets serious traction, it  will tarnish all the
> incumbents  who have supported liberalizing banking regulations in the
> past.  That will be a boon for minor parties,  especially the Greens if
> we  exercise leadership on this issue.
>
>
>
>
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Dec 24 23:14:48 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 23:14:48 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to 2nd Wednesday(?) 1-21-11
In-Reply-To: <282ab.5c412f9a.3a4544f2@aol.com>
References: <282ab.5c412f9a.3a4544f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D1599E8.9060400@aceweb.com>

How about third or fourth Wednesdays? Both of those seem free at the 
Peace Center.

WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
> The GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group has been holding its 
> monthly teleconference on the 2nd Wednesday (evening).  As people who 
> have known me for years are aware, I generally do not attend meetings on 
> Friday evenings.  The GPUS California Delegation holds its monthly 
> teleconference on the 3rd Tuesday (evening).  The Japantown Neighborhood 
> Association holds its bi-monthly meeting on 3rd Thursdays.  Warner
>  
> In a message dated 12/21/2010 8:04:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
> jamboi at greens.org writes:
> 
>     Tian's idea of moving to 2nd or third week of month would be fine
>     with me.
>     Any day of the week in the 2nd week of the month would be better for me
>     than the current 1st Wednesday, including 2nd Wednesday, (though i
>     do have
>     a regular event that day as well as on 2nd Thursday i'd be okay to
>     sacrifice them for the Green Party General Meeting).
> 
>     Green is Peace,
>     Drew
> 
>     BTW, i haven't confirmed it, but someone who should know just told
>     me that
>     Green Peace is on the "terrorist" watch list(!!!)
> 
>      > Thursdays don't work for me in the summer. At that time I have
>     something
>      > else to go to.
>      >
>      > I've not put further meetings on the schedule because I wanted to
>     hear
>      > what comes up in the discussion. I'd like to go to a later week
>     of the
>      > month. Second or third Wednesday would be my preference.
>      >
>      > I have no idea who those people listing it as Thursday are
>     listening to.
>      > It ain't me for sure!
>      >
>      > Tian
>      >
>      > Valerie D. Face wrote:
>      >> Hi folks,
>      >>
>      >> If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and Justice Center,
>      >> regardless of the date, we should take steps to ensure that the
>     SJP&JC's
>      >> website reflects the correct info, also:
>      >>
>      >> a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's
>      >> website lists Green Party meetings for Wednesday, January 5 and
>      >> Wednesday, February 2, but none after that.
>      >>
>      >> b)  The page for Community Partners
>      >> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says that
>     we meet
>      >> on the first Thursday.
>      >>
>      >> c)  The page for the Green Party
>      >> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we
>     meet on
>      >> the first Thursday.
>      >>
>      >> Best holiday wishes to all,
>      >> Valerie
>      >>
>      >> ~*~*~*~
>      >>
>      >> Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an unusually high number
>     of dogs
>      >> this season http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.
>      >>
>      >> Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can adopt or
>      >> foster a dog:
>      >> *  San Jose Animal Care Center: http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or
>      >> 408-578-7297.
>      >> *  South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com or
>      >> 408-686-3900.
>      >> *  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority: http://www.svaca.com or
>      >> 408-764-0344.
>      >> *  Palo Alto Animal Services:
>      >> http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or
>      >> 650-329-2413.
>      >> *  To learn more about fostering, call the Humane Society of Silicon
>      >> Valley's foster information line at 408-262-2133, ext. 184, or visit
>      >> their website at http://www.hssv.org.
>      >>
>      >> Thanks for reading this far and Happy Holidays! - Valerie
>      >>
>      >> ---------- Original Message ----------
>      >> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
>      >> From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>      >> To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>      >> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>      >> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first Thursday,
>      >> 1-6-2010
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>        Do we have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan. 5?
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>        That's the time and place listed on
>      >> "www.cagreens.org/santaclara".  Before we change, I think we
>     should (a)
>      >> have an official decision in an official meeting AND (b) change
>     our web
>      >> site well in advance so it's properly advertised.
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>        Spencer
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> On 12/20/2010 10:41 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>      >>> I'm going to the Peace center on the first Wednesday. If
>     anybody else
>      >>> is there,
>      >>> we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever.
>     Happy New
>      >>> Year.
>      >>> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar eclipse.
>      >>> Caroline
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>> ________________________________
>      >>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>      >>> To: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>      >>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>      >>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 11:06:20 PM
>      >>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>     Thursday,
>      >>> 1-6-2010
>      >>>
>      >>> If you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then
>     we've a good
>      >>> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We should
>     discuss this
>      >>> as an agenda item!
>      >>>
>      >>> jamboi wrote:
>      >>>> Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be okay.
>      >>>> First
>      >>>> Tuesdays are okay.  Just First Wednesday is in constant conflict.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i have
>      >>>> nothing
>      >>>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather like
>      >>>> it.)
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Green is Go!
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Drew
>      >>>>
>      >>>>> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> sg
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>      >>>>>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> ________________________________
>      >>>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>      >>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>      >>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>      >>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>     Thursday,
>      >>>>>> 1-6-2010
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> The meeting space is already taken by the International
>     Womens Day
>      >>>>>> meeting on the 6th.
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> spencerg wrote:
>      >>>>>>>      Or keep the current date for January and decide then
>     whether
>      >>>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>> change it?
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Spencer
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>      >>>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the
>     meeting
>      >>>>>>>> yet. Why
>      >>>>>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> ________________________________
>      >>>>>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>      >>>>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>      >>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>      >>>>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>     Thursday,
>      >>>>>>>> 1-6-2010
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first
>     Thursday
>      >>>>>>>> for
>      >>>>>>>> our
>      >>>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please
>     provide your
>      >>>>>>>> input)?
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> Drew
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Spencer
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>      >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for me.
>      >>>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>> -Cameron
>      >>>>>>>> I wrote earlier:
>      >>>>>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting
>     off the
>      >>>>>>>>> first Wed
>      >>>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another
>     meeting i can
>      >>>>>>>>> never go
>      >>>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also
>     have this
>      >>>>>>>>> problem
>      >>>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we
>     finally
>      >>>>>>>>> act
>      >>>>>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens
>     to move
>      >>>>>>>>> to
>      >>>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving the
>      >>>>>>>>> meeting
>      >>>>>>>>> as
>      >>>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and thereafter).
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>      >>>>>>>>> Drew
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for
>     distributing
>      >>>>>>>>>> files.
>      >>>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>      >>>>>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>      >>>>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and
>     what to
>      >>>>>>>>>>> do
>      >>>>>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>      >>>>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>> --
>      >>>>>>>>>> Tian
> 
> 
>     _______________________________________________
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>     sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>     http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
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From jamboi at greens.org  Sat Dec 25 00:11:38 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 00:11:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to 2nd Wednesday(?) 1-21-11
In-Reply-To: <4D1599E8.9060400@aceweb.com>
References: <282ab.5c412f9a.3a4544f2@aol.com> <4D1599E8.9060400@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <37728.69.236.189.226.1293264698.squirrel@greens.org>

Either would be okay by me (although both have conflicts).  But what about
the 2nd Thursday?  Is there something scheduled at the Peace Center then?

Green is Go!

Drew


> How about third or fourth Wednesdays? Both of those seem free at the
> Peace Center.
>
> WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
>> The GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group has been holding its
>> monthly teleconference on the 2nd Wednesday (evening).  As people who
>> have known me for years are aware, I generally do not attend meetings on
>> Friday evenings.  The GPUS California Delegation holds its monthly
>> teleconference on the 3rd Tuesday (evening).  The Japantown Neighborhood
>> Association holds its bi-monthly meeting on 3rd Thursdays.  Warner
>>
>> In a message dated 12/21/2010 8:04:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> jamboi at greens.org writes:
>>
>>     Tian's idea of moving to 2nd or third week of month would be fine
>>     with me.
>>     Any day of the week in the 2nd week of the month would be better for
>> me
>>     than the current 1st Wednesday, including 2nd Wednesday, (though i
>>     do have
>>     a regular event that day as well as on 2nd Thursday i'd be okay to
>>     sacrifice them for the Green Party General Meeting).
>>
>>     Green is Peace,
>>     Drew
>>
>>     BTW, i haven't confirmed it, but someone who should know just told
>>     me that
>>     Green Peace is on the "terrorist" watch list(!!!)
>>
>>      > Thursdays don't work for me in the summer. At that time I have
>>     something
>>      > else to go to.
>>      >
>>      > I've not put further meetings on the schedule because I wanted to
>>     hear
>>      > what comes up in the discussion. I'd like to go to a later week
>>     of the
>>      > month. Second or third Wednesday would be my preference.
>>      >
>>      > I have no idea who those people listing it as Thursday are
>>     listening to.
>>      > It ain't me for sure!
>>      >
>>      > Tian
>>      >
>>      > Valerie D. Face wrote:
>>      >> Hi folks,
>>      >>
>>      >> If the meeting stays at the San Jose Peace and Justice Center,
>>      >> regardless of the date, we should take steps to ensure that the
>>     SJP&JC's
>>      >> website reflects the correct info, also:
>>      >>
>>      >> a)  Right now the calendar on the San Jose Peace & Justice
>> Center's
>>      >> website lists Green Party meetings for Wednesday, January 5 and
>>      >> Wednesday, February 2, but none after that.
>>      >>
>>      >> b)  The page for Community Partners
>>      >> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/index.php?topic=partners says that
>>     we meet
>>      >> on the first Thursday.
>>      >>
>>      >> c)  The page for the Green Party
>>      >> http://www.sanjosepeace.org/article.php/greens also says that we
>>     meet on
>>      >> the first Thursday.
>>      >>
>>      >> Best holiday wishes to all,
>>      >> Valerie
>>      >>
>>      >> ~*~*~*~
>>      >>
>>      >> Animal shelters in Silicon Valley have an unusually high number
>>     of dogs
>>      >> this season http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_16829201.
>>      >>
>>      >> Contact one of the following if you or someone you know can
>> adopt or
>>      >> foster a dog:
>>      >> *  San Jose Animal Care Center: http://www.sanjoseanimals.com or
>>      >> 408-578-7297.
>>      >> *  South County Animal Shelter: http://www.southcountypets.com
>> or
>>      >> 408-686-3900.
>>      >> *  Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority: http://www.svaca.com
>> or
>>      >> 408-764-0344.
>>      >> *  Palo Alto Animal Services:
>>      >> http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/depts/pol/animal_services.asp or
>>      >> 650-329-2413.
>>      >> *  To learn more about fostering, call the Humane Society of
>> Silicon
>>      >> Valley's foster information line at 408-262-2133, ext. 184, or
>> visit
>>      >> their website at http://www.hssv.org.
>>      >>
>>      >> Thanks for reading this far and Happy Holidays! - Valerie
>>      >>
>>      >> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>      >> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:39:49 -0800
>>      >> From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>>      >> To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>      >> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>      >> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>> Thursday,
>>      >> 1-6-2010
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>        Do we have the Peace Center reserved for Wednesday, Jan.
>> 5?
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>        That's the time and place listed on
>>      >> "www.cagreens.org/santaclara".  Before we change, I think we
>>     should (a)
>>      >> have an official decision in an official meeting AND (b) change
>>     our web
>>      >> site well in advance so it's properly advertised.
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >>        Spencer
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >> On 12/20/2010 10:41 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>      >>> I'm going to the Peace center on the first Wednesday. If
>>     anybody else
>>      >>> is there,
>>      >>> we can meet and discuss changing the day/location/whatever.
>>     Happy New
>>      >>> Year.
>>      >>> Happy Solstice. Happy lunar eclipse.
>>      >>> Caroline
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>>
>>      >>> ________________________________
>>      >>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>      >>> To: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>      >>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>      >>> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 11:06:20 PM
>>      >>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>>     Thursday,
>>      >>> 1-6-2010
>>      >>>
>>      >>> If you can find a better location we'll try it. Until then
>>     we've a good
>>      >>> one. Would second or third Wednesdays be better? We should
>>     discuss this
>>      >>> as an agenda item!
>>      >>>
>>      >>> jamboi wrote:
>>      >>>> Friday Jan 7 would be good for me.  First Fridays would be
>> okay.
>>      >>>> First
>>      >>>> Tuesdays are okay.  Just First Wednesday is in constant
>> conflict.
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>> Also we could consider a different meeting location (though i
>> have
>>      >>>> nothing
>>      >>>> against meeting at the SJ Peace and Justice Center and rather
>> like
>>      >>>> it.)
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>> Green is Go!
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>> Drew
>>      >>>>
>>      >>>>> Can we get it for Jan. 7?
>>      >>>>>
>>      >>>>>
>>      >>>>> sg
>>      >>>>>
>>      >>>>>
>>      >>>>> On 12/17/2010 12:05 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>      >>>>>> Thanks for thinking of that, Tian.
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> ________________________________
>>      >>>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>      >>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>      >>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:07:59 PM
>>      >>>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>>     Thursday,
>>      >>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> The meeting space is already taken by the International
>>     Womens Day
>>      >>>>>> meeting on the 6th.
>>      >>>>>>
>>      >>>>>> spencerg wrote:
>>      >>>>>>>      Or keep the current date for January and decide then
>>     whether
>>      >>>>>>> to
>>      >>>>>>> change it?
>>      >>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>> Spencer
>>      >>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>> On 12/17/2010 11:05 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>      >>>>>>>> I don't think we're hearing from enough people to move the
>>     meeting
>>      >>>>>>>> yet. Why
>>      >>>>>>>> don't you individually email the people who usually go?
>>      >>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>      >>>>>>>> From: jamboi<jamboi at greens.org>
>>      >>>>>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>      >>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:13:21 AM
>>      >>>>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Moving the meeting date to first
>>     Thursday,
>>      >>>>>>>> 1-6-2010
>>      >>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>> Okay,so Cameron, Spencer and i could go with the first
>>     Thursday
>>      >>>>>>>> for
>>      >>>>>>>> our
>>      >>>>>>>> General Meeting.  Would that work for others (please
>>     provide your
>>      >>>>>>>> input)?
>>      >>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>      >>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>> Drew
>>      >>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>> Thursday would work better than Tuesday for me.
>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>> Spencer
>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>>      >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday or Thursday would work better than Wednesday for
>> me.
>>      >>>>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>>> -Cameron
>>      >>>>>>>> I wrote earlier:
>>      >>>>>>>>> Could we please consider and act upon moving the meeting
>>     off the
>>      >>>>>>>>> first Wed
>>      >>>>>>>>> (perhaps to the first Thursday?).  There is another
>>     meeting i can
>>      >>>>>>>>> never go
>>      >>>>>>>>> to because of our schedule.  I know other people also
>>     have this
>>      >>>>>>>>> problem
>>      >>>>>>>>> and that we've discussed it (lots) previously.  Could we
>>     finally
>>      >>>>>>>>> act
>>      >>>>>>>>> to
>>      >>>>>>>>> move our General Meeting date please?  If we can consens
>>     to move
>>      >>>>>>>>> to
>>      >>>>>>>>> 1-6-2011 that would be fantastic, if not i propose moving
>> the
>>      >>>>>>>>> meeting
>>      >>>>>>>>> as
>>      >>>>>>>>> an agenda item so that we can move the Feb. (and
>> thereafter).
>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>> Green is Go!
>>      >>>>>>>>> Drew
>>      >>>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>>> policy on using sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org for
>>     distributing
>>      >>>>>>>>>> files.
>>      >>>>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>>> Jim Doyle wrote:
>>      >>>>>>>>>>> Goals and priorities for the coming year.
>>      >>>>>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>>>> Discussion re invited speakers, speakers to invite, and
>>     what to
>>      >>>>>>>>>>> do
>>      >>>>>>>>>>> with the information they provide, what action to take.
>>      >>>>>>>>>>>
>>      >>>>>>>>>> --
>>      >>>>>>>>>> Tian
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>     sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>     http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
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> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest change: Added a writeup on Ross Mirkarimi's Peak Oil Art Show.
> The PB Park pin I got in '00 is on a clean air fair trade fob right now.
>
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sat Dec 25 10:17:26 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:17:26 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Check out "Silicon Valley Cyclist"]
Message-ID: <4D163536.8090307@aceweb.com>

The main things on this page are write ups on the Silicon Valley
govt. exploration of bicycling in the Netherlands. Cool picts to.

http://rayhosler.wordpress.com/

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Check out "Silicon Valley Cyclist"
Date: 	Sat, 25 Dec 2010 03:12:17 EST
From: 	TNHarter at aol.com
To: 	tnharter at aceweb.com



Click Here: Check out "Silicon Valley Cyclist"
<http://rayhosler.wordpress.com/>



Tian
http://tian.greens.org
My burning man pictures have been clicked through WY times.

-- 
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http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added a writeup on Ross Mirkarimi's Peak Oil Art Show.
The PB Park pin I got in '00 is on a clean air fair trade fob right now.



From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Dec 27 08:41:53 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:41:53 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Earth Day 2011
Message-ID: <4D18C1D1.8070807@charter.net>

This year will be the 40th Earth Day.  This is troubling for me given 
that we seem to be losing the battle with those who really don't care.

In the budget skirmishes that are sure to fuel most of the political 
discussions in the first quarter... CA budget is a mess and the Tea 
Party types new to Congress want to make waves... one prime target is 
the "socialist" manipulation of society brought about the "environmental 
fascists".  At the Federal level, the major target will the the 
Environmental Protection Administration (EPA).  Efforts will be made to 
defund the EPA and some of the Tea Party types campaigned on the idea of 
eliminating the EPA entirely.

What happens on Earth Day 2011 will be all the more telling since the 
EPA seems to be the only hope of limiting greenhouse gas emissions.  
With the  current Senate rules, there will never be a vote on any new 
climate legislation.

For the first Earth Day, there was broad bi-partisan support in 
Congress.  The CoChairs of the First Earth Day were Sen. Gaylord Nelson 
(Dem from WI) and Representative Pete McCloskey (Republican from CA).  
Actually Pete's district was on the Peninsula and that made it very 
local for us.  Nelson has long since passed but McCloskey is still 
fighting that battle where he can, now most often in court rather than 
at the polls, though his return to electoral politics in 2006 gave many 
Republicans permission to vote against Richard Pombo.

With the increasing urgency of climate change and the need for action, I 
am suggesting the the Green Party SCC, along with our friends in San 
Mateo, take the lead in creating a major event for Earth Day 2011.  
Greens need to  take the lead in creating a new ecological 
consciousness.  We need to own the issue, not just to go along with some 
other organization that might be less interested in political results.

If not us, who?  If not now, when?




From fredd at freeshell.org  Mon Dec 27 11:24:23 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:24:23 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Earth Day 2011
In-Reply-To: <4D18C1D1.8070807@charter.net>
References: <4D18C1D1.8070807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4D18E7E7.5000007@freeshell.org>

I say, "Amen."

How about a public Earth Day demonstration of some kind 
honoring/supporting some exemplary business or government entity that 
has, and is taking a leading role in environmental friendship.

Fred

On 12/27/10 8:41 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:
> This year will be the 40th Earth Day.  This is troubling for me given 
> that we seem to be losing the battle with those who really don't care.
>
> In the budget skirmishes that are sure to fuel most of the political 
> discussions in the first quarter... CA budget is a mess and the Tea 
> Party types new to Congress want to make waves... one prime target is 
> the "socialist" manipulation of society brought about the 
> "environmental fascists".  At the Federal level, the major target will 
> the the Environmental Protection Administration (EPA).  Efforts will 
> be made to defund the EPA and some of the Tea Party types campaigned 
> on the idea of eliminating the EPA entirely.
>
> What happens on Earth Day 2011 will be all the more telling since the 
> EPA seems to be the only hope of limiting greenhouse gas emissions.  
> With the  current Senate rules, there will never be a vote on any new 
> climate legislation.
>
> For the first Earth Day, there was broad bi-partisan support in 
> Congress.  The CoChairs of the First Earth Day were Sen. Gaylord 
> Nelson (Dem from WI) and Representative Pete McCloskey (Republican 
> from CA).  Actually Pete's district was on the Peninsula and that made 
> it very local for us.  Nelson has long since passed but McCloskey is 
> still fighting that battle where he can, now most often in court 
> rather than at the polls, though his return to electoral politics in 
> 2006 gave many Republicans permission to vote against Richard Pombo.
>
> With the increasing urgency of climate change and the need for action, 
> I am suggesting the the Green Party SCC, along with our friends in San 
> Mateo, take the lead in creating a major event for Earth Day 2011.  
> Greens need to  take the lead in creating a new ecological 
> consciousness.  We need to own the issue, not just to go along with 
> some other organization that might be less interested in political 
> results.
>
> If not us, who?  If not now, when?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Dec 27 17:46:58 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:46:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Mark Leno Potluck SF Jan 8th
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=xZ++T=yoRwpGhtVM__N+bURTFdTPq4NedEX-F@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT114-W28C81E11537F01CBB1BF2993000@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTi=xZ++T=yoRwpGhtVM__N+bURTFdTPq4NedEX-F@mail.gmail.com>,
	<SNT114-W28C81E11537F01CBB1BF2993000@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <521546.23200.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
To: Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 11:29:59 AM
Subject: Mark Leno Potluck SF Jan 8th

Come hear the latest on SB810! These potlucks are always fun. The last one I 
attended there were 200 folks and all kinds of delicious food and there's 
parking at the church.
(If you get this twice it's because Carol Dalrymple and my list have some of the 
same people). Lynn
****************************************************************************************************



Attend Single Payer Healthcare Potluck with Senator Mark Leno 

3pmSat. Jan 8 in SF
Please RSVP
Please consider making a financial contribution for our 2011 campaign for 
universal healthcare ? click below or click here.
?
Dear Healthcare Activist,
?
I hope you will attend our annual potluck on Saturday, January 8 at St. Mary?s 
Cathedral in San Francisco.?? Our featured speaker is Senator Mark Leno, the 
author of SB 810, the California Universal Healthcare Act. ( See leaflet below 
and attached. )
I also hope you can help build our meeting.? 
We encourage you to forward this alert.
Please let us know if you can attend our January 8 meeting and if you can help 
build this important event.
?
___ I plan to attend the healthcare potluck on January 8.
___ I will bring ___ friends.
___ I will bring _____________ to eat or drink.
___ I can come at 1:30to help set up.
___ I can post the attached leaflet in a coffee shop or at work.
___ I can help call our phone tree.? I will send you a list of local names and a 
suggested script.? You can call from home.? Let me know how many names you would 
like to call.? Some people take 10 names, some 25, some more. 

___ I have forwarded this alert.
___I want to make a financial contribution.? To make a financial contribution, 
please click here.
Or you can send a contribution to 
Single Payer Now
PO Box460622
San Francisco, CA94146
?
Thank you.
Don Bechler
Chair ? Single Payer Now
415-695-7891
www.singlepayernow.net
Healthcare Potluck
Featuring a presentation by
State Senator Mark Leno on the 2011 Campaign for Universal Healthcare Without
the Insurance Industry
Senator Leno is the author of SB 810, the California Universal Healthcare Act.
Senate Bill 810 delivers healthcare to everyone while the 2010 national 
healthcare legislation leaves millions without healthcare.
SB 810 saves Californians billions of dollars
SB 810 removes the private insurance companies from healthcare.? For decades, we 
have been wasting 31 cents of every healthcare dollar by using the private 
insurance industry.? They are in the business to avoid the sick and deny 
claims.? It?s time we hold them accountable.? It?s time to remove these Wall 
St.profiteers from our health care.
On January 8, enjoy our potluck and discover where you can help with the 
campaign for universal healthcare. 

Saturday, January 8
3 pm to 5 pm
Doors open at 2:30 pm
St. Mary?s Cathedral in San Francisco
1111 Gough St.@ Geary
Easy Parking in the Cathedral Parking Lot
?
Sponsored by Single Payer Now
For more information, call 415-695-7891, email dbechler at value.net, or visit 
www.singlepayernow.net
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Dec 27 17:54:39 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:54:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Earth Day 2011
In-Reply-To: <4D18E7E7.5000007@freeshell.org>
References: <4D18C1D1.8070807@charter.net> <4D18E7E7.5000007@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <740184.54992.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I say "Amen" too. To find outstandingly green people, I suggest we go to our 
respective farmers' markets and ask the VENDORS. Most of them are very 
knowledgeable about green issues.
Caroline




________________________________
From: fred <fredd at freeshell.org>
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 11:24:23 AM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Earth Day 2011

I say, "Amen."

How about a public Earth Day demonstration of some kind honoring/supporting some 
exemplary business or government entity that has, and is taking a leading role 
in environmental friendship.

Fred

On 12/27/10 8:41 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:
> This year will be the 40th Earth Day.? This is troubling for me given that we 
>seem to be losing the battle with those who really don't care.
> 
> In the budget skirmishes that are sure to fuel most of the political 
>discussions in the first quarter... CA budget is a mess and the Tea Party types 
>new to Congress want to make waves... one prime target is the "socialist" 
>manipulation of society brought about the "environmental fascists".? At the 
>Federal level, the major target will the the Environmental Protection 
>Administration (EPA).? Efforts will be made to defund the EPA and some of the 
>Tea Party types campaigned on the idea of eliminating the EPA entirely.
> 
> What happens on Earth Day 2011 will be all the more telling since the EPA seems 
>to be the only hope of limiting greenhouse gas emissions.? With the? current 
>Senate rules, there will never be a vote on any new climate legislation.
> 
> For the first Earth Day, there was broad bi-partisan support in Congress.? The 
>CoChairs of the First Earth Day were Sen. Gaylord Nelson (Dem from WI) and 
>Representative Pete McCloskey (Republican from CA).? Actually Pete's district 
>was on the Peninsula and that made it very local for us.? Nelson has long since 
>passed but McCloskey is still fighting that battle where he can, now most often 
>in court rather than at the polls, though his return to electoral politics in 
>2006 gave many Republicans permission to vote against Richard Pombo.
> 
> With the increasing urgency of climate change and the need for action, I am 
>suggesting the the Green Party SCC, along with our friends in San Mateo, take 
>the lead in creating a major event for Earth Day 2011.? Greens need to? take the 
>lead in creating a new ecological consciousness.? We need to own the issue, not 
>just to go along with some other organization that might be less interested in 
>political results.
> 
> If not us, who?? If not now, when?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
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From jims at greens.org  Mon Dec 27 16:55:05 2010
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:55:05 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Updated Draft Ageneda For Jan 5th GPSCC Monthly
 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <3450d.5a099a5b.3a46a702@aol.com>
References: <3450d.5a099a5b.3a46a702@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D193569.60307@greens.org>

I'd like 10 minutes for a literature topic -- the 'pizza' flier for
proportional representation.

CfER is getting close to printing a new batch. We should go in on this buy if
we want any sizable quantity of these fliers. I hope to have pricing details
by the meeting.

Jim




On 12/24/2010 5:46 PM, WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
> *GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY*
>
> Draft Agenda for Monthly General Membership Meeting January 5, 2011
>
> San Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose, CA
>
> (Near 7th and San Fernando)
>
> 6:30 pm ? Eat and chat
>
> 7:30 pm ? Begin meeting
>
> Select Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, and Vibeswatcher(s), Select
> Agenda Preparer for next meeting; Affirm or modify draft agenda (5
> Minutes)
>
> Introductions and Announcements (10 Minutes)
>
> Treasurer?s Report and presentation of 2011 GPSCC projected budget ? Jim
> Doyle (15 minutes)
>
> General discussion of goals for 2011 ? County Council Members (30 minutes)
>
> Issues include:Role(s) of County Council (see Bylaws excerpt below);
> General Meetings scheduling; Speakers at meetings; Recruiting candidates
> for the 2012 elections (see copy of Wes Rolley email below)
>
> Report on what are current policies for use of GPSCC email list ? Tian (5
> minutes)
>
> Need to recruit new regional Coordinating Council member and alternate (10
>  minutes)
>
> Presentation of expected 2011 tabling events; Report on status of tabling
> materials and supplies -- Jim Doyle (15 Minutes)
>
> Review of draft banks and credit cards bookmarks ? Spencer (5 minutes)
>
> Revisit question of hosting 2012 GPUS Presidential Nominating Convention ?
>  Warner (10 Minutes)
>
> Proposal re GPSCC campaign re banks ? Spencer (15 minutes) ? See text
> following draft agenda for further details
>
> (2 Hours Estimated Cumulative Times.Goal:Adjourn by 9:30 pm)
>
> Tabling Events Addenda ? Needed for each item (not necessarily all at this
>  meeting):
>
> Confirm date and location; Approval of fee payment (as applicable);
> Designation of coordinator(s) and other volunteers
>
>
> No Tabling Events Reported As Of Preparation of This Agenda
>
> ###
>
> [From GPSCC Bylaws] ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL
>
> 2.1 Purposes
>
> 2.1.1 The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a liaison
> between the California Green Party and Santa Clara County officials. As
> used in these Bylaws, the term "County Council" shall have the same meaning
> as the term "Central Committee" as that term is used by the Office of the
> Registrar of Voters for Santa Clara County, California.
>
> 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among its
> members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General
> County Meeting. The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for
> complying with the financial reporting requirements of the Fair Political
>
> Practices Commission (FPPC). The Council or its officers shall be
> responsible for obtaining an FPPC number for financial reporting. The
> Council may create such committees or initiate such inquiries as it
> considers necessary and appropriate to perform its collective
>
> responsibilities as described in these Bylaws.
>
> 2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties include
> serving as a coordinating or steering committee to:
>
> a) Facilitate communications between Green Party members within the
>
> county, at county meetings, and between locals within the county.
>
> b) Facilitate communications between the county Green Party and the State
> Green Party.
>
> c) Assist Green Party involvement in elections in the county (including
>
> recruiting, advising and assisting Green Party candidates, co-ordinating
>
> voter registration efforts and tabling, and supporting ballot issues
>
> effecting issues of concern to the state or county Green Party).
>
> d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and other Green
>
> Parties and/or other local organizations which support the principals and
>
> objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform.
>
> e) Oversee and assist the work of committees formed by the Council, or
>
> outside the Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the above
>
> duties, or other duties considered necessary that are not in conflict with
>
> these ByLaws; such as an electoral reform committee, an environmental
>
> issues committee, etc.
>
> 2.1.4 The County Council shall act as the designated contact persons for
> the Green Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested people to
> persons who may be designated as spokespeople for the Party at a General
> County Meeting.
>
> 2.1.5 The County Council, by agreement of eighty percent (80%) of its
> members, may authorize the use of the name of the Green Party of Santa
> Clara County as an endorser or co-sponsor of an event or public statement
> consistent with the principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party
> Platform if time issues make the decision necessary before it can be
> brought before the next general meeting.Any such County Council
> authorization shall be reported to those present at the next monthly
> meeting./[Adopted July 1, 2003]/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> Subject: [GPCA-MediaComm] Home - California Target Book
>
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:36:14 -0800
>
> From: Wes Rolley
>
> http://www.californiatargetbook.com/ctb/default/index.cfm
>
> This link to the California Target Book web site currently contains a
>
> list of all of the state legislators who will be termed out in 2010.We
>
> should currently be looking for ways to exploit this, especially as Prop
>
> 14 has kicked in beginning with the special election in for the SD 28
>
> special election to be held on Feb 15.
>
> This is the list with interesting (to me) opportunities marked with *
>
> STATE SENATE (4 Dem; 2 Rep)
>
> Joe Simitian (D-SD11)*
>
> Elaine Alquist (D-SD13)
>
> Alan Lowenthal (D-SD27)
>
> Bob Dutton (R-SD31)
>
> Tom Harman (R-SD35)
>
> Christine Kehoe (D-SD39)
>
> ASSEMBLY (17 Dem; 5 Rep)
>
> Jared Huffman (D-AD6)*
>
> Fiona Ma (D-AD12)
>
> Sandr? Swanson (D-AD16)
>
> Cathleen Galgiani (D-AD17)
>
> Mary Hayashi (D-AD18)
>
> Jim Beall, Jr. (D-AD24)*
>
> Cameron Smyth (R-AD38)
>
> Felipe Fuentes (D-AD39)
>
> Julia Brownley (D-AD41)
>
> Mike Feuer (D-AD42)
>
> Anthony Portantino (D-AD44)
>
> Gil Cedillo (D-AD45)
>
> Mike Davis (D-AD48)
>
> Mike Eng (D-AD49)
>
> Tony Mendoza (D-AD56)
>
> Charles Calderon (D-AD58)
>
> Wilma Amina Carter (D-AD62)
>
> Paul Cook (R-AD65)
>
> Kevin Jeffries (R-AD66)
>
> Jim Silva (R-AD67)
>
> Jose Solorio (D-AD69)
>
> Martin Garrick (R-AD74)
>
> *****************************************************************************
>
>  Resolved:The Green Party of Santa Clara County will attempt to work
>
> with other organizations to build effective united action against major,
>
> predatory banks.Possible coalition members include organizations
>
> involved with people with experience with threatened or actual
>
> foreclosure as well as debt counselors encouraging people to end credit
>
> card debt and rank and file members of other political organizations.
>
> Discussion:
>
> 1.The actions of predatory banks might be the single greatest
>
> "sleeping giant" among the US electorate during the current Great
>
> Recession.The commercial media are complicit in this:They'd lose
>
> advertising if their news and world views conflicted seriously with
>
> those of bank executives who control advertising budgets.This issue
>
> could be large enough to convince a critical mass of the US electorate
>
> that the current structure of the US media is potentially the biggest
>
> threat to peace and democracy in the world today -- possibly stronger
>
> regulation of both the media and the banks -- possibly even antitrust
>
> action.
>
> 2.Organizations involved with helping people with financial
>
> difficulties can provide substantive information as well as a source of
>
> people who could be activated politically by a platform more rational
>
> than that of the Tea Party.I think they would eagerly collaborate with
>
> others who might help increase the political awareness of the issues
>
> they work with every day.An issue like this could turn many nonvoters
>
> in this group into active Green party members if we could find ways to
>
> help build an effective political movement demanding enforcement of
>
> existing laws regarding perjury and fraud against bank officers.
>
> 3.The Peace and Freedom Party seems farther to the left than
>
> the Greens, and I think could be persuaded to join something like this.
>
> American Independents might also agree that we need substantive bank
>
> regulation.Most Libertarians are probably hopeless on this issue, but
>
> we could be surprised even there.
>
> 4.I think the vast majority of US citizens registered as either
>
> Democrat or Republican would agree with the need to increase banking
>
> regulation, not decrease it as the incoming US House majority has
>
> promised to do.This could be the deciding issue in denying reelection
>
> to many incumbents in 2012.
>
> 5.MoveOn so far appears to have been thinly disguised shills
>
> for the Democrats.As the Great Recession continues and deepens, they
>
> may switch allegiance, refusing to support Democrats who vote with the
>
> bankers and possibly declaring themselves a separate political party or
>
> even supporting Greens in some cases.
>
> 6.If this issue gets serious traction, it will tarnish all the
>
> incumbents who have supported liberalizing banking regulations in the
>
> past.That will be a boon for minor parties, especially the Greens if
>
> we exercise leadership on this issue.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing
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From jamboi at greens.org  Tue Dec 28 10:55:23 2010
From: jamboi at greens.org (jamboi)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:55:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Join us this week for Lindependence/Ubuntu Hour Palo
 Alto, and Santa Cruz
Message-ID: <42729.69.236.189.226.1293562523.squirrel@greens.org>

Join us for a fun, easy-going unprogrammed social time and mutual support
for FLOSS and GNU-Linux/Ubuntu.  These events are great models for what we
can do with the Green Party (ie. put on an analogous "The Green Party
Hour" event) as well as great opportunities to meet other (mostly young)
progressively minded folks who might be interested in becoming Greens at
some point, as well as an opportunity to liberate your computing from the
shackles of MonopoSoft.  Ask me for more info on GreenTu, the forming tek
collective.


The Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto:
Details, RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/605/detail/
When: 	Thu, 30 Dec. 2010 7-8pm
Where: 	Antonio's Nut Hourse in Palo Alto
Organizing Team(s): 	Ubuntu California

The Lindependence Hour: Santa Cruz
Larry Caffiero (of the Santa Cruz Greens and GreenTu), Karsten Wade
(Fedora Ambassador) and i came up with this one.
Details, RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/574/detail/
When: 	Wed, 29 Dec. 2010 18:00 - 19:00 UTC (+0000)
Where: 	Santa Cruz Coffee Roasting Company in Santa Cruz
Organizing Team(s): 	Lindependence & Ubuntu California
Announcement: 	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10153113




From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Dec 28 14:18:34 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:18:34 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [California Greening] Transition for my town
Message-ID: <4D1A623A.2040403@charter.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[California Greening] Transition for my town
Date: 	Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:09:59 -0800 (PST)
From: 	Wes <wrolley at charter.net>
To: 	wrolley at charter.net



This is scheduled for the 12/31 issue of theMorgan Hill Times 
<http://www.morganhilltimes.com/>.

The history of the Santa Clara Valley is one of constant transition. 
Long gone are the days when the Union Pacific RR advertised it as the 
Valley of the Heart's Delight. Some of the agricultural economy has 
remained but the structure has radically changed. No longer do we have 
packing sheds next to the railway. Morgan Hill is not even just a 
bedroom community for Silicon Valley, as it was when I moved here over 
30 years ago. Rather we are transitioning to something new and don't 
really know just what that will be.

One of the most important drivers for the past transitions has been the 
value of our land. How do we use it? How do we tax it? Is it more 
valuable for agriculture or for industrial development. You have only to 
examine the office parks along Cochrane Rd. to appreciate how we have 
answered those questions.

It seems obvious that we may not always answer those questions in the 
same manner, or that we will start asking new question. As our economic 
life changes, there will be new drivers for local decisions.

In a recent NY Times column, Nobel Laureate economist Paul Krugman 
discusses the new economic normal. ?Oil is back above $90 a barrel. 
Copper and cotton have hit record highs. Wheat and corn prices are way 
up. Over all, world commodity prices have risen by a quarter in the past 
six months.? With changes like this, perhaps it will become more 
valuable to maintain agricultural land in close proximity to where we live.

Krugman gets right to the point. ?What the commodity markets are telling 
us is that we?re living in a finite world, in which the rapid growth of 
emerging economies is placing pressure on limited supplies of raw 
materials, pushing up their prices. And America is, for the most part, 
just a bystander in this story.?

That is a big change from that past vision of America. How do we adapt 
to the reality of a finite world, one in which resources are limited, 
access to them is increasingly expensive when transportation costs are 
added, and America no longer has an inexhaustible supply. Politicians 
talk about meeting out energy needs through the exploitation of oil 
shale, but they never mention the costs, direct and indirect, that oil 
shale operations have. There is probably no single process that would 
destroy more watershed than a massive exploitation of the shale deposits 
in Colorado, Wyoming and Utah. This is water that would go to the 
Colorado River and make that water supply unusable.

There are other drivers that we have to consider; a changing climate is 
just one. The frequency of extreme weather events that we are currently 
experiencing around the world is on of the predicted results of 
increased greenhouse gas accumulation in the atmosphere. New York has 
been hard hit by a blizzard while Greenland continues to warm. In the 
Southern Hemisphere, South Australia has experienced their worst drought 
while Queensland had record rainfall and flood this week. It may rival 
the flood from Pakistan but affect fewer people. Remember: a warmer 
atmosphere will hold more water and that will fall somewhere.

We can no longer count on our state and federal governments to prevent 
future catastrophic events, or even to adapt to them after it happens. 
There is neither the fiscal capacity in either Washington or Sacramento 
nor the political will act if it costs money. We can only raise taxes so 
much and I doubt that the incoming Republican House of Representatives, 
filled as it is with new Tea Party members, is gong to do much of 
anything productive about energy or climate change.

Morgan Hill has to recognize that the future of this community depends 
on what we do, collectively, here and now. There is a good model for 
this cooperative community action in the Morgan Hill Community Emergency 
Response Team. (http://www.mhcert.com/) This is how we take local action 
to deal with a sudden emergency because we know that immediate help will 
not be coming form State or Federal agencies. This is not because those 
agencies don't want to help, it is because the can't.

How will we deal with events that are not sudden, but rather assert 
themselves over time. There is a model for this as well. Morgan Hill is 
uniquely positioned to be a Transition Town, developing a local 
resilience that will see us through, transitioning to a newer reality. 
You can find more information about Transition Towns by following 
Hopedance, an online journal published by Bob Banner of Santa Barbara. 
(http://bit.ly/huvptZ)

The key objective of a Transition Town is to provide that local 
resilience. They begin by asking different questions: What is the true 
cost of consumerism? How willing are we to push down other people in 
order to maintain our idea of American Exceptionalism? How do we best 
adapt to this new world we have created? These are moral questions as 
well as economic ones.



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From fredd at freeshell.org  Wed Dec 29 11:45:42 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:45:42 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fred
Message-ID: <4D1B8FE6.8040803@freeshell.org>

Friends,

Here, "Gonna Take Us All, " is something from a friend that is well 
worth passing around.  Ditto for a Happy New Year!

Fred

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Fwd: Gonna Take Us All
Date: 	Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:26:28 -0800
From: 	Joanie Ciardelli <joaniec8808 at comcast.net>
To: 	Recipient List Suppressed:;



Dear ones,

>Here's the link to a new Youtube video featuring Jon Fromer's timely
>&  inspiring title song  from his newly released CD. We hope you'll
>check it out and send the link to anyone else you think will
>appreciate it.  The message is "It's gonna take us all to end war...
>bring peace."  Sad, but true!
>
>Happy New Year!   Love, Joanie
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZQRRkf7jog




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From fredd at freeshell.org  Wed Dec 29 12:25:59 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:25:59 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [ufpj-activist] Obama's prospects in 2012/Response
 to Bennis and Martin
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The progressive Green Party would welcome the thousands (or millions?} 
of disgruntled Left Wing Democrats.

Fred Duperrault, Mountain View, CA

On 12/29/10 12:37 AM, Melvin Rothenberg wrote:
> Although Obama has made some tactical mistakes-particularly in his 
> timing of his health care bill- I consider him far from politically 
> incompetent. I think he has basically accomplished his legislative 
> agenda.  The trouble is that his agenda was not our agenda.
>
> It still seems difficult for progressives to grasp that Obama  is a 
> centrist, which means that his politics are sharply different from 
> ours. He is very aware of the contradictions and acts very consciously 
> and skillfully to marginalize us politically while minimizing the 
> alienation of his electoral base.  On every important issue, whether 
> it be the Afghan/ Pakistan invasion, immigration, the 
> prison-industrial complex, job creation, schools, the housing crises, 
> tax policy we differ profoundly.
>
> If we look at Obama's legislative accomplishments there are only two 
> that progressives can endorse. The Start Initiative is on balance 
> positive but but of minimal, almost trivial, content in controlling 
> nuclear weapons, and in any case badly motivated.  To Obama it is 
> mainly a gesture to Russia, in his attempt to line up Russian 
> endorsement of sanctions  on Iran- sanctions which in themselves are 
> retrograde. The DADT repeal is a genuine step forward on Gay rights 
> but has its  downside  in beefing up and legitimatizing the military. 
> The other legislative achievements are either window dressing, like 
> the financial reform act, which has no real substance, or so 
> profoundly flawed that  their negatives out weigh the positives such 
> as the Health Reform bill, or actually reactionary with no redeeming 
> feature such as extending the Bush tax cuts. The extension of 
> unemployment insurance included in the tax cut bill should have and 
> could have been done as a stand alone bill which would have certainly 
> passed if fought for despite  Republican noise.
>
> The central point of Mark Stahl's commentary is certainly correct.  
> Our future as a political force does not lie either in pushing Obama 
> left or convincing progressives to " Save the Dems".  We only have a 
> future if we can mobilize massively , in the streets and in the 
> community, around our program and politics.  We must  take as models  
> the Civil Rights and earlier Anti-War movements however we must be 
> able to mobilize around a much broader set of issues.  Such a campaign 
> will involve pressuring elected officials, not on the basis of gaining 
> partisan advantage, but positively in terms of social justice and 
> negatively out of fear of civil disorder and upheaval. In this 
> situation our focus cannot be on promoting or electing any particular 
> politician or party.  This is how these earlier movements accomplished 
> what they did. In the process we might change the character of US 
> electoral politics but this will be the result of our success not its 
> precondition.
>
> Mel Rothenberg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/29/10 1:18 AM, Mark Stahl wrote:
>> Phyllis Bennis and Kevin Martin, in a recent posting on AlterNet, 
>> have written an excellent analysis of Obama's failed policy in 
>> Afghanistan.  However, I found their political discussion at the end 
>> to be surprising and unsupportable, even though presented as a 
>> potentiality rather than as a prediction.
>>
>>     "If the president and his political team are as savvy as everyone
>>     thinks they are (or at least were in the 2008 campaign), they'd
>>     do well to get in front of that wave and run on a genuine peace
>>     and green prosperity platform.  Imagine if that happened, and
>>     President Obama really did start paying attention to his anti-war
>>     base, and began carrying out the dramatic shift in policy
>>     necessary to insure a real withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan,
>>     a genuine move to close Guantanamo, a final withdrawal of all
>>     remaining troops in Iraq, a serious level of pressure on Israel
>>     to end its occupation, as well as to launch a serious New New
>>     Deal to create green jobs and rebuild the economy...  Then not
>>     only would the president likely coast to re-election, but the
>>     Afghan and U.S. people would be the real beneficiaries -- instead
>>     of banks, war profiteers and Wall Street -- and THAT election
>>     would really be one for the history books."
>>     http://www.alternet.org/story/149321/
>>
>> I realize that this is not a prediction, but since we are dealing 
>> with politics and not fantasy, we have to assume that they believe 
>> that this scenario is at least a remote possibility.  However, such a 
>> scenario is totally unimaginable, and there is no point in even 
>> presenting it within a serious analysis of future possibilities.
>>
>> First, despite the media punditocracy, the recent successes on DADT 
>> and START were not the result of Obama's "savvy" political team, but 
>> of the utter collapse of the Republican strategy in the Senate on 
>> these two issues.  If Obama had a competent political team, his 
>> approval rating wouldn't be so low, nor would his party have faced a 
>> recent electoral defeat of historic proportions.
>>
>> Second, the history of the last two years is a total failure by Obama 
>> and his administration on virtually every key issue, with a greatly 
>> expanded war in Afghanistan, expanded secret wars in Pakistan and 
>> Yemen, expansion of US military power in Latin America, harassment of 
>> Muslim-Americans and the antiwar movement, indefinite detentions 
>> without judicial review, inattention to the environment, bank 
>> bailouts, tax breaks for billionaires, and an assault on the future 
>> of Social Security.
>>
>> All the statements that Obama has made since the recent elections 
>> indicate that he has not the slightest intention of reversing course 
>> in any of these areas.  In fact, all the indications are that Obama 
>> will continue his militaristic policies around the world, continue 
>> the assault on civil liberties, and initiate the coming "austerity" 
>> in the US with cutbacks on Social Security, Medicare and other 
>> services.  In this context, the scenario that Bennis and Martin are 
>> asking us to imagine is unimaginable.
>>
>> The US peace movement has been in a state of de-mobilization for the 
>> last three years because of the influence of Obama-mania.  However, I 
>> believe that during the next two years, "Save Obama" or "Save the 
>> Dems" is going to be a very hard sell for the antiwar public in the 
>> US, in view of the abject failure of Obama, his administration, and 
>> even "progressive" Democrats on virtually every key issue facing us 
>> today.
>>
>> Mark Stahl, Providence RI
>>
>>
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From paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 14:51:30 2010
From: paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com (Paul Engstrom)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:51:30 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Jan. 2 Humanist Forum: The Evolution Institute
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Should be of interest to local Green Party members to participate in
discussion and opportunity for a Green Party presence too.
With Hopes for a Better New Year
Paul


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Alex Havasy <ahavasy at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:54 AM
Subject: Jan. 2 Humanist Forum: The Evolution Institute
To:


The Evolution Institute utilizes science as a vehicle for achieving a
secular and healthy society. Dr. Jerry Lieberman is
co-founder/director of the Evolution Institute and president of the
Humanists of Florida Association. He will discuss (1) the institutes
goals, which are designed to understand and inprove the human
condition, (2) what the Evolution Institute has done, and (3) its
future. See www.evolution-institute.org.
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The following Sunday Jonathan Figdor will discuss "Humanist Chaplains
at Harvard AND Stanford?"
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The Humanist Community Forum meets at 11am at our new location, Palo
Alto High School at the corner of El Camino and Embarcadero Rd. (50
Embarcadero Rd) in Palo Alto. The forum will be in the Student Center
and the family program in rm 31/29 upstairs in the Administration
Bldg. Construction is now going on at the high school so parking is
restricted. A? map of the campus is at
http://www.humanists.org/PAHS1.htm .
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that website from the Forums page on the Humanist Community website
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From andid at cagreens.org  Fri Dec 31 06:08:32 2010
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 06:08:32 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fred
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Thanks for sharing this, Fred.  An inspiring song for the new year.
Andrea

On Dec 29, 2010, at 11:45 AM, fred wrote:

> Friends,
> 
> Here, "Gonna Take Us All, " is something from a friend that is well worth passing around.  Ditto for a Happy New Year!
> 
> Fred
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:	Fwd: Gonna Take Us All
> Date:	Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:26:28 -0800
> From:	Joanie Ciardelli <joaniec8808 at comcast.net>
> To:	Recipient List Suppressed:;
> 
> Dear ones,
> 
> >Here's the link to a new Youtube video featuring Jon Fromer's timely 
> >& inspiring title song  from his newly released CD. We hope you'll 
> >check it out and send the link to anyone else you think will 
> >appreciate it.  The message is "It's gonna take us all to end war... 
> >bring peace."  Sad, but true!
> >
> >Happy New Year!   Love, Joanie
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZQRRkf7jog
> 
> 
> 
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From andi at wrytor.com  Fri Dec 31 06:30:05 2010
From: andi at wrytor.com (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 06:30:05 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [ufpj-activist] Obama's prospects in 2012/Response
	to Bennis and Martin
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It's easy to understand the frustration of so-called progressives/liberals with the "Titanic parties", according to a recent show on KPFA.  When examining the agenda of the last four most popular presidents (a list including Obama and Clinton), each of them were in perfect agreement on key policies: maintaining war; cutting taxes especially for the wealthy; austerity for the poor/elderly with regard to welfare, medicare, social security, etc.  It's an astonishing method of analysis!

I've begun to realize that the American cash cow lacks the critical thinking it takes for personal survival; even the lowly Roman slaves demanded bread with their circuses.
Andrea

On Dec 29, 2010, at 12:25 PM, fred wrote:

> The progressive Green Party would welcome the thousands (or millions?} of disgruntled Left Wing Democrats.
> 
> Fred Duperrault, Mountain View, CA
> 
> On 12/29/10 12:37 AM, Melvin Rothenberg wrote:
>> 
>> Although Obama has made some tactical mistakes-particularly in his timing of his health care bill- I consider him far from politically incompetent. I think he has basically accomplished his legislative agenda.  The trouble is that his agenda was not our agenda. 
>> 
>> It still seems difficult for progressives to grasp that Obama  is a centrist, which means that his politics are sharply different from ours. He is very aware of the contradictions and acts very consciously and skillfully to marginalize us politically while minimizing the alienation of his electoral base.  On every important issue, whether it be the Afghan/ Pakistan invasion, immigration, the prison-industrial complex, job creation, schools, the housing crises, tax policy we differ profoundly.    
>> 
>> If we look at Obama's legislative accomplishments there are only two that progressives can endorse. The Start Initiative is on balance positive but but of minimal, almost trivial, content in controlling nuclear weapons, and in any case badly motivated.  To Obama it is mainly a gesture to Russia, in his attempt to line up Russian endorsement of sanctions  on Iran- sanctions which in themselves are retrograde. The DADT repeal is a genuine step forward on Gay rights but has its  downside  in beefing up and legitimatizing the military. The other legislative achievements are either window dressing, like the financial reform act, which has no real substance, or so profoundly flawed that  their negatives out weigh the positives such as the Health Reform bill, or actually reactionary with no redeeming feature such as extending the Bush tax cuts. The extension of unemployment insurance included in the tax cut bill should have and could have been done as a stand alone bill which would have certainly passed if fought for despite  Republican noise.   
>> 
>> The central point of Mark Stahl's commentary is certainly correct.  Our future as a political force does not lie either in pushing Obama left or convincing progressives to " Save the Dems".  We only have a future if we can mobilize massively , in the streets and in the community, around our program and politics.  We must  take as models  the Civil Rights and earlier Anti-War movements however we must be able to mobilize around a much broader set of issues.  Such a campaign will involve pressuring elected officials, not on the basis of gaining partisan advantage, but positively in terms of social justice and negatively out of fear of civil disorder and upheaval. In this situation our focus cannot be on promoting or electing any particular politician or party.  This is how these earlier movements accomplished what they did. In the process we might change the character of US electoral politics but this will be the result of our success not its precondition. 
>> 
>> Mel Rothenberg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/29/10 1:18 AM, Mark Stahl wrote:
>>> 
>>> Phyllis Bennis and Kevin Martin, in a recent posting on AlterNet, have written an excellent analysis of Obama's failed policy in Afghanistan.  However, I found their political discussion at the end to be surprising and unsupportable, even though presented as a potentiality rather than as a prediction.
>>> "If the president and his political team are as savvy as everyone thinks they are (or at least were in the 2008 campaign), they?d do well to get in front of that wave and run on a genuine peace and green prosperity platform.  Imagine if that happened, and President Obama really did start paying attention to his anti-war base, and began carrying out the dramatic shift in policy necessary to insure a real withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, a genuine move to close Guantanamo, a final withdrawal of all remaining troops in Iraq, a serious level of pressure on Israel to end its occupation, as well as to launch a serious New New Deal to create green jobs and rebuild the economy?  Then not only would the president likely coast to re-election, but the Afghan and U.S. people would be the real beneficiaries ? instead of banks, war profiteers and Wall Street ? and THAT election would really be one for the history books."    http://www.alternet.org/story/149321/
>>> 
>>> I realize that this is not a prediction, but since we are dealing with politics and not fantasy, we have to assume that they believe that this scenario is at least a remote possibility.  However, such a scenario is totally unimaginable, and there is no point in even presenting it within a serious analysis of future possibilities.
>>> 
>>> First, despite the media punditocracy, the recent successes on DADT and START were not the result of Obama's "savvy" political team, but of the utter collapse of the Republican strategy in the Senate on these two issues.  If Obama had a competent political team, his approval rating wouldn't be so low, nor would his party have faced a recent electoral defeat of historic proportions. 
>>> 
>>> Second, the history of the last two years is a total failure by Obama and his administration on virtually every key issue, with a greatly expanded war in Afghanistan, expanded secret wars in Pakistan and Yemen, expansion of US military power in Latin America, harassment of Muslim-Americans and the antiwar movement, indefinite detentions without judicial review, inattention to the environment, bank bailouts, tax breaks for billionaires, and an assault on the future of Social Security.
>>> 
>>> All the statements that Obama has made since the recent elections indicate that he has not the slightest intention of reversing course in any of these areas.  In fact, all the indications are that Obama will continue his militaristic policies around the world, continue the assault on civil liberties, and initiate the coming "austerity" in the US with cutbacks on Social Security, Medicare and other services.  In this context, the scenario that Bennis and Martin are asking us to imagine is unimaginable.
>>> 
>>> The US peace movement has been in a state of de-mobilization for the last three years because of the influence of Obama-mania.  However, I believe that during the next two years, "Save Obama" or "Save the Dems" is going to be a very hard sell for the antiwar public in the US, in view of the abject failure of Obama, his administration, and even "progressive" Democrats on virtually every key issue facing us today.
>>> 
>>> Mark Stahl, Providence RI
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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