From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  1 14:51:35 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:51:35 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Unemployment in CA
Message-ID: <BAY140-W29C1747EAF1C47C9E790609E580@phx.gbl>



     The list of the top 379 unemployment metro areas shows a few likely suspects -- Bismarck, Bend, Cheyenne, Amarillo,  Baton Rouge,  Burlington, Portsmouth, Bangor, New Haven, Scranton, Morgantown, Kokomo, La Crosse.

     What's a big surprise to me is that nine California metro areas have a higher unemployment rate than Detroit.  Of the ten areas nationally with highest unemployment, California owns eight:  Fresno, Visalia,    Hanford, Stockton, Modesto, Merced, Yuba City, and  El Centro.


http://www.bls.gov/web/laummtrk.htm

  		 	   		  
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  2 11:12:33 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:12:33 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] More from Common Dreams
Message-ID: <4B687921.2010605@earthlink.net>



==================

About a campaign to do a citizen's arrest of Tony Blair:

Mock This Campaign If You Like, But How Else Can Blair Be Held to Account?
With the limits of power in Britain so ill-defined, the only way a 
reckoning for Iraq will ever come is via a citizen's arrest

by George Monbiot

     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/02-1

(I wonder how well this would work in the U.S. for
Bush / Cheney?)

===================

About the hypocrisy of Democrats and the media.  It seems to make
a good argument that the Democrats are no better than the Republicans.

What Exactly Did Bush and Cheney Do Wrong?

by Glenn Greenwald

     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/02-6

===================

I am considering not sending any more emails with references to
Common Dreams articles.  It should be clear to everyone that I
value Common Dreams and that anyone can go there without my
pointing to it.  And I get very little response to my emails.

Gerry




From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  2 12:25:29 2010
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:25:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Unemployment in CA
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1265140809.22206.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <491161.93740.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Unemployment rates can be deceptive, because it only measures the labour defined as the employed (both full- and part-time paid jobs) and unemployed (those without work and who have been actively looking for a job in the past 4 weeks). I am not sure about Detroit, but maybe their unemployment rate is lower because people there have given up looking for a nonexistent job.
-edward


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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:51:35 -0800
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Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Unemployment in CA
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? ???The list of the top 379 unemployment metro areas shows a few likely suspects -- Bismarck, Bend, Cheyenne, Amarillo,? Baton Rouge,? Burlington, Portsmouth, Bangor, New Haven, Scranton, Morgantown, Kokomo, La Crosse.

? ???What's a big surprise to me is that nine California metro areas have a higher unemployment rate than Detroit.? Of the ten areas nationally with highest unemployment, California owns eight:? Fresno, Visalia,? ? Hanford, Stockton, Modesto, Merced, Yuba City, and? El Centro.


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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Tue Feb  2 12:59:29 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:59:29 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Agenda for GPSCC Monthly Meeting Wednesday
	February 3rd revised
Message-ID: <13c9.4f50735d.3899ec31@aol.com>

 
GREEN  PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY 
Draft  Agenda for Monthly General Membership Meeting February 3,  2010 
San  Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose,  CA 
(Near  7th and San Fernando)  
6:30  pm ? Eat and chat 
7:30  pm ? Begin meeting 
Select  Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, and Vibeswatcher(s), Select 
Agenda Preparer  for next meeting   
Introductions  and Announcements ? Collect signatures for statewide GPCA 
candidates? petitions  (15 Minutes) 
Treasurer?s  Report (5 Minutes)  
Regional  Rep and Bylaws and consensus process ? Jim Doyle  ( 3 Minutes) 
Report(s)  on status of County Council candidates; Recruit volunteers to 
help gather  signatures; Status report on GPSCC voter registration database  
(10 Minutes)  
Report  on upcoming tabling events; Report on status of tabling materials 
and supplies;  Designation of seed planters and distribution of remaining 
seed packets for  germinations  (10  Minutes) 
Update  on plans for next Food for Thought event (end of February to help 
collect  signatures for County Council candidates) (5 Minutes)  
Discuss  carpooling for Candidate Training and GP 20-Year Anniversary in 
Berkeley, CA  Saturday, February 6, 2010 (5 Minutes) 
County  Polling -- Warner Bloomberg (30 Minutes) Decision making (4 votes 
for each  ballot measure):  1.  Tax increase exemption for earthquake  
retrofitting real property improvements; 2. ?Open Primary? for partisan offices  
elections (aka kill small political parties); 3. Public Financing Pilot 
Project  for Secretary of State elections; 4. 2/3rds public vote requirement to 
form  local energy committions; and 5. Revise present insurance rate 
protections to  allow consideration of lapses in previous insurance coverage 
Detailed  descriptions of ballot measures can be found via cagreens.org/plenary 
and  clicking the Agenda link and clicking the County Polling link.  Read or 
download the  pdf. 
Plenary  Planning Reports:  Food Committee;  Local Hosts organizing; Set-up 
and other volunteers needs; Ground rules for  plenary reimbursements   (12 
Minutes)  
Recruit  and tentatively appoint Delegates and Alternates to March 6-7, 
2010 Plenary;  Schedule Agenda Packet review meeting  (10 Minutes) 
Report  from Downtown Hospital Organizers ? Jim Doyle (5 Minutes)  
(1  Hour 50 Minutes Estimated Cumulative Times.  Goal:  Adjourn by 9:30  
pm) 
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Tue Feb  2 15:09:49 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:09:49 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Unemployment in CA
In-Reply-To: <491161.93740.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <491161.93740.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Some of those California towns listed are in the Central Valley.
What's special about the area is that farm labor jobs are very seasonal.
What are they harvesting in January? Nothing. Well, maybe a few oranges.
What do pickers make in January? Nothing. That ouch's in the statistics.
Definitely people are suffering because of this in Fresno, Visalia,
Stockton, Modesto, Merced, and Yuba City. I don't know about the others.

Edward wrote:
> Unemployment rates can be deceptive, because it only measures the labour
> defined as the employed (both full- and part-time paid jobs) and
> unemployed (those without work and who have been actively looking for a
> job in the past 4 weeks). I am not sure about Detroit, but maybe their
> unemployment rate is lower because people there have given up looking
> for a nonexistent job.
> 
> -edward
> 
> 
> --- On *Tue, 2/2/10, sosfbay-discuss-request at cagreens.org
> /<sosfbay-discuss-request at cagreens.org>/* wrote:
> 
>     Message: 1
>     Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:51:35 -0800
>     From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com
>     </mc/compose?to=snug.bug at hotmail.com>>
>     Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Unemployment in CA
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> 
>          The list of the top 379 unemployment metro areas shows a few
>     likely suspects -- Bismarck, Bend, Cheyenne, Amarillo,  Baton
>     Rouge,  Burlington, Portsmouth, Bangor, New Haven, Scranton,
>     Morgantown, Kokomo, La Crosse.
> 
>          What's a big surprise to me is that nine California metro areas
>     have a higher unemployment rate than Detroit.  Of the ten areas
>     nationally with highest unemployment, California owns eight: 
>     Fresno, Visalia,    Hanford, Stockton, Modesto, Merced, Yuba City,
>     and  El Centro.
> 
> 
>     http://www.bls.gov/web/laummtrk.htm
> 
> 
> 
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Latest change: Added Obama quote from his State of the Union speech.


From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue Feb  2 15:16:00 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:16:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Stein's Law - hitting the wall
Message-ID: <185222.95583.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





----- Forwarded Message ----
From: shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu>
Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 1:00:20 PM
Subject: Stein's Law - hitting the wall


Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:24:21 -0800
>From: Don McCanne <don at mccanne.org>
>Subject: qotd: Stein's Law - hitting the wall
>
>Slate
>May 16, 1997
>Herb Stein's Unfamiliar Quotations
>By Herbert Stein
>
>If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.
>--Stein's Law, first pronounced in the 1980s
>
>This proposition, arising first in a discussion of the balance-of-payments deficit, is a response to those who think that if something cannot go on forever, steps must be taken to stop it--even to stop it at once.
>
>http://www.slate.com/id/2561/ 
>
>And...
>
>The New York Times
>February 1, 2010
>Huge Deficits May Alter U.S. Politics and Global Power
>By David E. Sanger
>
>... as Prof. James K. Galbraith of the University of Texas puts it, ?Forecasts 10 years out have no credibility.?
>
>Simply projecting that health care costs will rise unabated is dangerous business.
>
>His greatest hope, Mr. Galbraith said, was Stein?s law, named for Herbert Stein, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Gerald R. Ford.
>
>Stein?s law has been recited in many different versions. But all have a common theme: If a trend cannot continue, it will stop.
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/us/politics/02deficit.html?hp
>
>And...
>
>Congressional Budget Office
>November 2007
>The Long-Term Outlook for Health Care Spending
>
>Projections of Health Spending
>
>Over the past 30 years, total national spending on health care has more than doubled as a share of GDP. Under the assumptions described (in this CBO report), according to CBO?s projections, that share will double again by 2035, to 31 percent of GDP. Thereafter, health care costs continue to account for a steadily growing share of GDP, reaching 41 percent by 2060 and 49 percent by the end of the 75-year projection period.
>
>http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8758/Intro.shtml
>Graph: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8758/Figure4.gif
>
>And...
>
>GOP House Issues Conference
>January 29, 2010
>
>Congressman Paul Ryan (speaking to President Obama):? ... Medicare, as you know, is a $38 trillion unfunded liability...
>
>http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-gop-house-issues-conference 
>
>
>Comment:? At over $2.5 trillion (almost 18 percent of our GDP), the level of health care spending in the United States this year is almost intolerable. Yet we hear predictions that health care will represent half of our GDP by 2082, and that Medicare will accumulate a deficit of $38 trillion.
>
>Thank goodness for Stein's Law. We will never see these numbers for the simple reason that this rate of increase cannot go on forever. It will stop once it hits the wall.
>
>Herbert Stein, being from the Chicago School of Economics (think Milton Friedman), did not believe that steps must be taken to intervene since the problem would take care of itself. Although that is true, the problem with this sterile, amoral view, common amongst those of the Chicago School, is that it ignores the consequences of a spontaneous economic process devoid of the input from the heart and soul of beneficent public stewards.
>
>To be clear, in the economics of health care, Stein's Law does not represent one point in the expansion of health care spending at which everything stops and the health care system collapses. Nor does it represent a single point at which expansion stops and spending becomes static. Rather it represents a multitude of various walls for various payers, including individuals, employers and the various levels of government, each of which has its own wall as a barrier represented by Stein's Law.
>
>In our fragmented system of financing health care, Stein's Law is already in play. Tens of millions are no longer able to afford health insurance. Tens of millions more are no longer able to afford adequate insurance products and must face the financial hardships of the underinsurance products that have been the response of competing insurers in our market economy in health care. The rate of employer-sponsored coverage has been declining because too many businesses, especially small businesses, have already hit the wall. Many states are struggling with the need to reduce Medicaid payments to providers in order to try to include more under the umbrella, while watching the safety-net of providers crumble from protracted financial losses. Even the federal government is struggling to find ways to fill the void in the face of massive budget deficits.
>
>With Stein's Law, we can predict that the rate of spending increases will very soon slow down, but under our current financing system, that will inevitably result in more financial hardship, suffering, and even death as health care access becomes ever less affordable.
>
>Suppose the Senate bill passes, along with the reconciliation tweaks, then what will happen? Since our beneficent stewards in Congress neglected their duties, failing to adopt policies that would slow the growth in health care spending, health care costs will continue to test Stein's Law.
>
>Some of the multitude of walls will move, but none of them will go away. The states will see their walls move further out with the infusion of Medicaid funds. The federal government will see its wall move closer, signaled by the shrill cacophony of the budget hawks. Employers will not see their wall move much, but they will continue to barrel forward, eventually hitting it one by one.
>
>But what about our hard-working, middle-income Americans? The wall will be moved much closer. For several reasons, mostly related to costs, there will be an attrition of employer-sponsored plans. Since the subsidies to purchase private plans will be less than the employer contributions, fewer individuals and families will be able to afford the plans. To slow the rise in premiums, more benefits will be stripped out. The Obama administration would accelerate this deterioration in benefits by imposing an excise tax on the plans as "the most effective way to control costs." The Obama/Orszag policy of controlling costs by erecting financial barriers to necessary health care is a very sick policy indeed. The legislation before Congress adds afterburners to middle-income Americans only accelerating their trip to Stein's impenetrable wall.
>
>When our economic models have immoral consequences, we should abandon the amoral models of the Chicago School, and move to normative economics. It is not a sin for an economist to have a heart.
>
>Under a single payer national health program - an improved and expanded Medicare for all - Stein's wall will still be there. But instead of letting the entire system crash into the wall, our own beneficent public stewards - if we elect ones with a heart - will be there to make sure that everyone receives the care that they need. The resources that we use may take us up to the wall, but we won't be crashing into it.
>
>Every other industrialized nation has an impenetrable Stein wall, but by using normative economics, they don't sacrifice their citizens by slamming them into that wall.
>
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From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Feb  2 15:42:19 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:42:19 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Unemployment in CA
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Before judging everything by perception and common sense, it may be 
reasonable to also pay attention to the study published by Univ. of the 
Pacific regarding the Central Valley Unemployment Statistics. Granted 
that all of the MSA's cited originally by Brian are in Agricultural 
Areas. El Centro in the Imperail Valley, Yuba City in the Sacrament 
River Valley, the rest in the San Joaquin Valley.

The report in question is entitled Employment Impacts of Reduced Water 
Supplies to San Joaquin Valley Agriculture and can be read in full here: 
<http://forecast.pacific.edu/water-jobs/Pacific-BFC-Water-Jobs.pdf>

Framing the study in this manner makes sense, since there is a 
significant amount of political pressure to pump more water for the 
specific reason of providing more jobs. There is big money behind this 
(Westlands Water District), major PR firms framing the issue as jobs vs. 
fish, demagoguing Congressmen of both parties pushing it, megabucks 
donors to Sen Feinstein demanding it and very few telling the truth.

Basically, for all of the unemployment, only a small portion is due to 
reduced water deliveries but that is not what everyone is saying and not 
what Fox News has made it's major story. Most of the studies are riddled 
with errors and UoP is quick to point it out.
> Most notably, the same modeling error is part of the influential *PPIC 
> report on the Delta* that endorsed the controversial peripheral canal. 
> The endorsement of the peripheral canal in that report was based on 
> the authors? judgment that the cost of reducing Delta water exports is 
> too high in comparison to environmental benefits. The 50 per $1 
> million jobs multiplier was used in the PPIC report to exaggerate the 
> social costs of reduced Delta water deliveries.
My view is that some CA agriculture can not compete with foreign imports 
without subsidies, either direct as is the case with rice and cotton, or 
indirect through below market rate Federal and State Water Deliveries. 
So, they look to eliminate as much of the labor cost of the product as 
possible. Still, according to this study, but biggest area of 
unemployment came from the crash of the construction and both home and 
industrial development ground to a halt. The Stockton MSA is where the 
rapid growth was... it is also where the highest unemployment exists.







Tian Harter wrote:
> Some of those California towns listed are in the Central Valley. What's special about the area is that farm labor jobs are very seasonal. 
> What are they harvesting in January? Nothing. Well, maybe a few oranges. What do pickers make in January? Nothing. That ouch's in the statistics. Definitely people are suffering because of this in Fresno, Visalia, Stockton, Modesto, Merced, and Yuba City. I don't know about the others.
>
> Edward wrote:
>   
>> Unemployment rates can be deceptive, because it only measures the labour defined as the employed (both full- and part-time paid jobs) and unemployed (those without work and who have been actively looking for a
>> job in the past 4 weeks). I am not sure about Detroit, but maybe their unemployment rate is lower because people there have given up looking for a nonexistent job.
>>
>> -edward
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 2/2/10, sosfbay-discuss-request at cagreens.org
>> /<sosfbay-discuss-request at cagreens.org>/* wrote:
>>
>>     Message: 1
>>     Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:51:35 -0800
>>     From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com
>>     </mc/compose?to=snug.bug at hotmail.com>>
>>     Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Unemployment in CA
>>     To: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>     </mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>>
>>     Message-ID: <BAY140-W29C1747EAF1C47C9E790609E580 at phx.gbl
>>     </mc/compose?to=BAY140-W29C1747EAF1C47C9E790609E580 at phx.gbl>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>>
>>
>>          The list of the top 379 unemployment metro areas shows a few     likely suspects -- Bismarck, Bend, Cheyenne, Amarillo,  Baton Fouge,  Burlington, Portsmouth, Bangor, New Haven, Scranton, Morgantown, Kokomo, La Crosse.
>>
>>          What's a big surprise to me is that nine California metro areas     have a higher unemployment rate than Detroit.  Of the ten areas nationally with highest unemployment, California owns eight: Fresno, Visalia,    Hanford, Stockton, Modesto, Merced, Yuba City, and  El Centro.
>>
>>
>>     http://www.bls.gov/web/laummtrk.htm
>>
>>
>>
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>> _______________________________________________
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>   


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  2 19:50:27 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:50:27 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Congresswoman Donna Edwards Introduces
	Constitutional Amendment]
Message-ID: <4B68F283.7080006@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Congresswoman Donna Edwards Introduces Constitutional Amendment
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:12:57 +0000
From: "Free Speech for People" <Free_Speech_for_People at mail.vresp.com>
Reply-To: "Free Speech for People"
<snip>
To: gerrygras at earthlink.net


<clip>

[free speech for people.jpg]

Dear Friend,



Thank you for signing the petition to protect our democracy by ensuring
that free speech rights are for people, not corporations.



Twelve days ago, the United States Supreme Court issued a ruling
striking at the heart of our democracy.  The Court disregarded more than
a century of precedent and ruled that our Constitution prevents the
American people from regulating corporate money in our elections and
politics.  That?s wrong and we don?t buy it.



And twelve days ago, we stood up to fight back
<snip>

Thousands of you joined us in our call for a constitutional amendment to
defend our democracy and to restore the First Amendment to its intended
purpose: to protect people, not corporations.



And, today, Congresswoman Donna Edwards of Maryland has introduced a
constitutional amendment to overturn the Court?s ruling.  Joined by
Congressman John Conyers, Jr. of Michigan, the chair of the House
Judiciary Committee, the Edwards amendment will ensure that Congress and
the states may prohibit corporations from spending their funds for
political activity.


<clip>


The Framers of the Constitution intended the First Amendment to protect
the rights of citizens, everyday people, not corporations.  Corporations
are not people. They are artificial entities created by the state with
state-based advantages. In fact, the recent ruling will certainly drown
out the voices of the very citizens the First Amendment was meant to
protect.



We as a nation have amended the United States Constitution before.
Twenty-seven times.  That history includes amendments in response to US
Supreme Court rulings directly threatening the democratic process.  The
Court?s ruling in Citizens United v. FEC demands a similar
constitutional amendment response.



But to do this, we need to build a broad-based democracy movement. You
can help make this happen.



   Ways to Get Involved



     * Forward this email to at least 10 or more of your friends urging
       that they join us and sign the petition
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     * Contact your Member of Congress in the House of Representatives
       <snip>
       and United States Senate
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     * Organize a local amendment committee.
     * Donate<snip>
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       to find out other ways to get involved.



Together, we will reclaim our First Amendment and our democracy.



Thank you.



The Free Speech for People Campaign





From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  3 00:03:51 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:03:51 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Congress
Message-ID: <BAY140-W1586CFE7DE68C165E4C1E59E560@phx.gbl>



  Carol, I'm disappointed that you're not running for Congress.  You've put
a lot of work into achieving name recognition, and it's really pathetic if
nobody in this district will challenge Eshoo.  I saw Norman Solomon recently
at the PPJC event and he challenged the room:  "Who's going to raise a
challenge to Anna Eshoo?"  All the Democrats kind of shuffled their feet and
looked at their fingernails.

  We've had differences about your campaign -- I thought you weren't trying
hard enough, and I thought some of your associates were sleazy.  Now 
when the Greens are poised to benefit from the disgust felt by many 
lifelong Democrats, it's unfortunate if we can't find a candidate. I hope you'll 
reconsider.

  B



 		 	   		  
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  3 06:00:37 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:00:37 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Obama's new direction re banks?
Message-ID: <4B698185.8030602@earthlink.net>


"Finally President Barack Obama has come to his senses on financial 
regulation. His endorsement of what he calls the "Volcker Rule" for once 
puts him squarely on the side of ordinary Americans as opposed to the 
banking bandits who have so thoroughly fleeced the public."

     http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/volcker_rules_20100202/

Gerry




From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Feb  3 09:11:46 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:11:46 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Obama's new direction re banks?
In-Reply-To: <4B698185.8030602@earthlink.net>
References: <4B698185.8030602@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4B69AE52.6000601@charter.net>

If Larry Summers helped create the problems of Wall Street under 
Clinton, why should we listen to an un-apologetic Summers on the economy 
now.  At least Greenspasn said "I made a mistake."

Wes

Gerry Gras wrote:
> "Finally President Barack Obama has come to his senses on financial regulation. His endorsement of what he calls the "Volcker Rule" for once puts him squarely on the side of ordinary Americans as opposed to the banking bandits who have so thoroughly fleeced the public."
>
>      http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/volcker_rules_20100202/
>
> Gerry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>   


-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Feb  3 09:41:40 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:41:40 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Latest Green Talk Column
Message-ID: <4B69B554.7050101@charter.net>

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From eameece at sfo.com  Wed Feb  3 10:09:07 2010
From: eameece at sfo.com (Eric A. Meece)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:09:07 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] PBS sponsored by Chevron
In-Reply-To: <4B69B554.7050101@charter.net>
References: <4B69B554.7050101@charter.net>
Message-ID: <8ACC27ED417B43778CF0AE6606EC4F23@eameecePC>

Is anyone as sick as I am of hearing those propaganda pieces for Chevron on the PBS newshour almost every night? How can they be an unbiased public news source, and depend for their money on corporate contributions from Chevron, as well as Bank of America, Monsanto, Toyota, etc.? Just about every night now they have to run a disclaimer ("note for the record that this corporation or the other is a Newshour funder"). They could get more foundation grants instead of running commercials for corporations that want to shape the news.

At their web site http://www.newshour.pbs.org at the bottom you can click on feedback and send them an email. Anyone want to follow me and do this?

Eric the Green (Eric Meece)

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  3 12:39:33 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:39:33 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Obama's new direction re banks?
References: <4B698185.8030602@earthlink.net> <4B69AE52.6000601@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4B69DF05.2060305@earthlink.net>


I can't think of a good reason to listen to Summers, but I miss
the relevance to the truthdig article.

Gerry


Wes Rolley wrote:

> If Larry Summers helped create the problems of Wall Street under 
> Clinton, why should we listen to an un-apologetic Summers on the economy 
> now.  At least Greenspasn said "I made a mistake."
> 
> Wes
> 
> Gerry Gras wrote:
> 
>> "Finally President Barack Obama has come to his senses on financial 
>> regulation. His endorsement of what he calls the "Volcker Rule" for 
>> once puts him squarely on the side of ordinary Americans as opposed to 
>> the banking bandits who have so thoroughly fleeced the public."
>>
>>      http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/volcker_rules_20100202/
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  3 13:37:00 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:37:00 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Signature Gathering at tonight's meeting?
Message-ID: <4B69EC7C.3000602@earthlink.net>


This is the time for gathering signatures.
I know for statewide candidates.  I think for
cc candidates (yes? no?).  I believe Warner
will be bringing petitions for the statewide
candidates.  I have no idea about others.
Anyways the more people who attend the meeting,
the more signatures can be obtained for the
petitions being brought.

Gerry




From WB4D23 at aol.com  Wed Feb  3 13:57:01 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:57:01 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Final Agenda Draft for GPSCC Monthly Meeting
	Wednesday February 3rd
Message-ID: <16487.5f312474.389b4b2d@aol.com>

 
 
GREEN  PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY 
Draft  Agenda for Monthly General Membership Meeting February 3,  2010 
San  Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose,  CA 
(Near  7th and San Fernando)  
6:30  pm ? Eat and chat 
7:30  pm ? Begin meeting 
Select  Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, and Vibeswatcher(s), Select 
Agenda Preparer  for next meeting   
Introductions  and Announcements ? Collect signatures for statewide GPCA 
candidates? petitions  (15 Minutes) 
Treasurer?s  Report (5 Minutes)  
Regional  Rep and Bylaws and consensus process ? Jim Doyle  ( 3 Minutes) 
Report(s)  on status of County Council candidates; Recruit volunteers to 
help gather  signatures; Status report on GPSCC voter registration database  
(10 Minutes)  
Report  on upcoming tabling events; Report on status of tabling materials 
and supplies;  Designation of seed planters and distribution of remaining 
seed packets for  germinations  (10  Minutes) 
Update  on plans for next Food for Thought event (end of February to help 
collect  signatures for County Council candidates) (5 Minutes)  
Discuss  carpooling for Candidate Training and GP 20-Year Anniversary in 
Berkeley, CA  Saturday, February 6, 2010 (5 Minutes) 
County  Polling -- Warner Bloomberg (30 Minutes) Decision making (4 votes 
for each  ballot measure):  1.  Tax increase exemption for earthquake  
retrofitting real property improvements; 2. ?Open Primary? for partisan offices  
elections (aka kill small political parties); 3. Public Financing Pilot 
Project  for Secretary of State elections; 4. 2/3rds public vote requirement to 
form  local energy committions; and 5. Revise present insurance rate 
protections to  allow consideration of lapses in previous insurance coverage 
Detailed  descriptions of ballot measures can be found via cagreens.org/plenary 
and  clicking the Agenda link and clicking the County Polling link.  Read or 
download the  pdf. 
Plenary  Planning Reports:  Food Committee;  Local Hosts organizing; Set-up 
and other volunteers needs; Ground rules for  plenary reimbursements   (12 
Minutes)  
Recruit  and tentatively appoint Delegates and Alternates to March 6-7, 
2010 Plenary;  Schedule Agenda Packet review meeting  (10 Minutes) 
Report  from Downtown Hospital Organizers ? Jim Doyle (5 Minutes) 
Concept  Proposal for future work -- A campaign to remove deposits from 
abusive  banks -- Spencer Graves (5 Minutes)   
(1  Hour 55 Minutes Estimated Cumulative Times.  Goal:  Adjourn by 9:30  
pm) 
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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Wed Feb  3 14:02:40 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:02:40 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Need to Coordinate State Wide Candidates
	Signatures Gathering
Message-ID: <167ce.56f8f233.389b4c80@aol.com>

Folks!  If you are collecting signatures for any of the  GPCA candidates, 
it is VERY IMPORTANT that you coordinate with anyone else  gathering petition 
signatures from Green Party registered voters (the only  persons who are 
eligible to sign such petitions).
 
My understanding is that the Santa Clara County Registrar of  Voters will 
accept only ONE group of petitions for each candidate.  If  petitions for any 
candidate are submitted at separate times, it is likely that  only the 
first group of petitions to be submitted will be accepted.
 
Warner
 
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From td at studiotom.com  Wed Feb  3 22:15:11 2010
From: td at studiotom.com (Tom Donohue)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:15:11 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Constitutional amendment to outlaw corporate
	personhood
Message-ID: <E5C67FE3-4C41-44BF-90DA-259D047C9BD4@studiotom.com>

Hi everyone,

Here's the link to my proposal on change.org, that I mentioned at the meeting tonight:

http://www.change.org/ideas/view/a_constitutional_amendment_to_outlaw_corporate_personhood

It seems that it's fallen quite a way behind, but if you could support my proposal by voting for it and encouraging your friends to do so as well, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
Tom

From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Feb  4 08:26:47 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:26:47 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Storms of my Grandchildren
Message-ID: <4B6AF547.7030205@charter.net>

I just got a notice that NASA Dr. James E. Hansen's Storms of my 
Grandchildren is now "in" at the Santa Clara County Library System.  I 
had requested that they order it.  5 Copies:  Morgan Hill, Milpitas, Los 
Altos, Cupertino, Campbell

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  4 17:15:01 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:15:01 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Doyle back home
Message-ID: <4B6B7115.9000006@sbcglobal.net>

Greetings all,
I had but a brief stay in the emergency room and am
back at home feeling fine.

Jim Doyle



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  4 17:42:20 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:42:20 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] gpca cc reps
Message-ID: <4B6B777C.7020406@sbcglobal.net>

GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE

This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List. For more information,
or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply.
Follow the contact directions stated in the email.

This announcement was first circulated on Jan. 19.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

NOTE: This is a recruitment announcement for the Coordinating Committee 
of the
state party. Please circulate this message on lists in your county that 
reach
potential candidates.

Also note that the submission date is Jan. 29, which is the date to have 
your
name listed as a candidate in the agenda packet. However, since that date is
close, we will continue accepting applications and bios. All bios will be
posted online. We will circulate an updated list of candidates two weeks
before the meeting on Mar. 6-7.

The extended deadline is Feb. 20.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Applicants are needed for the ?new? restructured Coordinating Committee
(CC) for the GPCA. Because of the events in Washington and Sacramento,
this is an extraordinary time for Greens to be organizing and carrying
our message to voters. Anyone who wishes to help build the Green Party
is encouraged to apply.

The Coordinating Committee is responsible for coordinating state party
meetings, facilitating internal communications and performing other
administrative tasks such as: implementing policies adopted by the
General Assembly, conducting party business between the state meetings,
and coordinating the other standing committees and working groups of the
state party. Committee members are responsible for participating in a
monthly teleconference (the first Monday of each month from 7:30 to 9:30
p.m.). You will also be asked to serve on one of our committees.

Following the March Plenary, an on-line election will be held for 14 new
At-Large Representatives for the CC. They will serve alongside 12
Regional Representatives. The members of the CC serve for staggered
two-year terms. Because this election will be for all 14 At-Large
Representatives, 7 will be elected to a one-year term and 7 for a
two-year term.

To apply:

Send a brief bio to the Plenary Agenda Team (agenda-team at cagreens.org 
<mailto:agenda-team at cagreens.org>)
by January 29th so it can be included in the packet that is distributed
before the March Plenary. In your bio, please tells us briefly about
your work within the Green Party and what you would like to work on as a
member of the CC.

You should also plan to attend the Plenary (March 6th and 7th) in San
Jose and be prepared to give a 1 to 2 minute statement to delegates why you
should be elected to serve on the CC.

If you have any questions, please contact:

Barry Hermanson
Co-chair of the Coordinating Committee
GPCA
barry at hermansons.com <mailto:barry at hermansons.com>
415-664-7754


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Contacts2006 at lists.cagreens.org <mailto:Contacts2006 at lists.cagreens.org>
http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/contacts2006


From fredd at freeshell.org  Thu Feb  4 18:23:06 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:23:06 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Plenary Housing Hosts
Message-ID: <4B6B810A.90600@freeshell.org>

Dear South Bay Greens.

The Green Party of Santa Clara County will be hosting the March 5 - 7 
Plenary in Santa Clara.

Our chapter will need volunteers to provide housing for Green Party 
guests from around the state on Friday, March 5 and Saturday, March 6.  
A few, if any, may even stay over on Sunday night.

  Please consider offering housing for those Greens who will need beds 
in some friendly South Bay Green homes.  Hosts will not be responsible 
for serving Breakfast.  (Breakfast will be served  at the  Plenary 
facility.)

Please contact me, Fred Duperrault, if you will be willing to share your 
home with individuals or couples who will need a places to sleep.  You 
can contact me at 650-691-1215 or at fredd at freeshell.org.

Looking forward to hearing from you,

Fred











From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Feb  5 22:52:39 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:52:39 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Constitutional amendment to outlaw
	corporate	personhood
References: <E5C67FE3-4C41-44BF-90DA-259D047C9BD4@studiotom.com>
Message-ID: <4B6D11B7.2070506@earthlink.net>


This vote could benefit from IRV.
BTW, does anyone know how effective change.org is?

I wen to the link below.  As well as the proposal
and comments, it also provided links to the top 3
vote getters.

#1 with 1,069 votes:
     it seems to be asking Obama to:
         - Keep corporate money out of our elections
         - Block corporations from interfering in policy
         - Enforce strict transparency rules
     I wonder what prevents the Supreme Court from
     striking this down.  I wondered if this might be another
     fake grassroots organization, but apparently not.
     According to Wikipedia it has been around since 1977
     and has Frances Moore Lappe on the board.
     For more info:
http://www.stopcorporateabuse.org/statement-supreme-court-ruling-call-action-stand-corporate-influence-over-politics

#2 with 443 votes:
     Constitutional Amendment to explicitly DENY corporations
     "personhood" status.
     Isn't that basically the same as Tom's proposal?

#3 with 413 votes:
     Support Financing of Public Elections

Why can't we support multiple proposals?

Gerry

Tom Donohue wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> Here's the link to my proposal on change.org, that I mentioned at the meeting tonight:
> 
> http://www.change.org/ideas/view/a_constitutional_amendment_to_outlaw_corporate_personhood
> 
> It seems that it's fallen quite a way behind, but if you could support my proposal by voting for it and encouraging your friends to do so as well, I would appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 




From edenw at gal3.com  Sat Feb  6 08:28:28 2010
From: edenw at gal3.com (eden)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:28:28 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] SF Examiner "Group sues to stop instant runoff
	elections in SF"
Message-ID: <e73890a31002060828t77d2135cqb8f25cbe68d39f24@mail.gmail.com>

   I was dismayed to see this, thinking "they even have enough
money/energy to fight on this front?" But, the last comment explains
it better. Nevertheless, does anyone know if this means that SF
implemented the system incorrectly, or is this something fundamental
to all IR systems?

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Group-sues-to-stop-instant-runoff-elections-in-SF-83607307.html#ixzz0efedhVDK


Group sues to stop instant runoff elections in SF

Bay City News
February 5, 2010

SAN FRANCISCO ? Six San Francisco residents sued the city in federal
court Thursdayto challenge its instant runoff voting system.

The lawsuit claims that the way the city implements the system is
unconstitutional because some voters are denied the ability to have
their
vote counted in later rounds of balloting.

The instant runoff system, also known as ranked-choice voting, was
approved by a voter initiative in 2002 and put into effect beginning
in 2004 for the offices of mayor, Board of Supervisors, district
attorney, city attorney, sheriff, public defender, treasurer and
assessor-recorder.

The system is intended to avoid the cost and the risk of low voter
turnout in having a separate runoff election at a later date when no
candidate in a race wins a majority.

Under the system, voters can rank three choices in each race. If no
candidate in a race wins a majority, the candidate with the lowest
number of votes is eliminated and his or her votes are transferred to
the second choices of each citizen who voted for that candidate.

The process continues until one candidate achieves a majority.

Some races, such as supervisor contests, sometimes have a dozen or
more candidates.

The lawsuit claims the system violates the constitutional right to
vote because voters whose candidates are eliminated in early rounds
have no voice in the final rounds of ballot counting in the instant
runoff.

The suit seeks a preliminary injunction that would require the city
either to return to having a separate runoff election or to allow
voters
to rank all candidates in a race.

A hearing on the motion for a preliminary injunction is tentatively
scheduled for March 12 before U.S. District Judge Susan Illston
in San Francisco.

Matt Dorsey, a spokesman for City Attorney Dennis Herrera, said
lawyers for the city had not yet seen the lawsuit, but said, "It's the
city
attorney's job to vigorously defend the laws voters enact, and that
includes ranked-choice voting."

Reader Comments
All comments on this page are subject to our Terms of Use and do not
necessarily reflect the views of the Examiner or its staff. Comment
box is limited to 250 words.

Dixon

Feb 4, 2010

Never liked the system. I'd like to be able to chose between who is
the final two standing, but you never know when there are so many
candidates.

Let's have a real run-off, where two candidates can debate each other.
But have the run-off a couple months later, say March, not during the
holidays. That's why turn-out was so low.



SF-415

Feb 5, 2010

The old system was much better when you could only vote for one
candidate and then have a runoff election between the two highest vote
getters. Ranked choice voting is very confusing.



John E. Palmer

Feb 5, 2010

Instant runoff voting is a great step forward for eliminating the
spoiler problem of most elections. It also saves costs and avoids the
turnout problems that often result with multiple elections.



Bob Richard

Feb 5, 2010

On ranked choice voting itself, what John Palmer said. It's
interesting that the reporter choose not to name the plaintiffs. So we
have to do a little digging to find out that the lead plaintiff is
losing candidate Ron Dudum. In spite of the previous comments, the
suit has nothing to do with ranked choice voting per se, but rather
questions the use of voting machines that limit the voter to fewer
rankings than there are candidates.


From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Feb  6 08:51:14 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:51:14 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Constitutional amendment to outlaw	corporate
 personhood
In-Reply-To: <4B6D11B7.2070506@earthlink.net>
References: <E5C67FE3-4C41-44BF-90DA-259D047C9BD4@studiotom.com>
	<4B6D11B7.2070506@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4B6D9E02.7030204@charter.net>

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From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Feb  6 09:22:19 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 09:22:19 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Murray Hill is running for Congress.
Message-ID: <4B6DA54B.1060800@charter.net>

Enjoy the results of Corporate Personhood.

http://www.murrayhillweb.com/new_day/index.html


-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Feb  6 12:51:07 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:51:07 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Murray Hill is running for Congress.
References: <4B6DA54B.1060800@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4B6DD63B.3050005@earthlink.net>


So, should we support the candidate because it is
progressive or oppose it because it is a corporation.
or ... ?

Now where is my flag with the corporate logos for stars.

Gerry


Wes Rolley wrote:

> Enjoy the results of Corporate Personhood.
> 
> http://www.murrayhillweb.com/new_day/index.html
> 
> 
> 




From fredd at freeshell.org  Sat Feb  6 15:12:55 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:12:55 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Murray Hill is running for Congress.
In-Reply-To: <4B6DD63B.3050005@earthlink.net>
References: <4B6DA54B.1060800@charter.net> <4B6DD63B.3050005@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4B6DF777.9030805@freeshell.org>

With tong in cheek.

Fred

On 2/6/10 12:51 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:
> So, should we support the candidate because it is
> progressive or oppose it because it is a corporation.
> or ... ?
>
> Now where is my flag with the corporate logos for stars.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> Wes Rolley wrote:
>
>    
>> Enjoy the results of Corporate Personhood.
>>
>> http://www.murrayhillweb.com/new_day/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>>      
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>
>    



From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 16:15:56 2010
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:15:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] SF Examiner "Group sues to stop instant
	runoff elections in SF"
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1265486407.29956.sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <805691.72600.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This is not an inherent flaw in IRV. In San Francisco, they implemented a modified form of IRV (if you can even call it that) where voters are only allowed to rank three candidates. In pure IRV, a voter can rank as many candidates as there are on the ballot. The problem with SF is that if you vote for three candidates who have little chances of reaching the majority threshold, you are denied the right to vote essentially, because once your candidates are eliminated, your ballot does not count for anything even though you may have other candidates you prefer in the running. However, the danger with the lawsuit is it has brought together a pair of unlikely bedfellows. Those who are against IRV altogether are using this flawed implementation as reason to scrap the whole idea while supporters of IRV are saying that the current implementation is not real IRV and still leads to involuntary ballot wasting.
The real threat to IRV is the repeal effort in Burlington, VT. The Republican candidate, who lost, has successfully proven that the Achilles' Heel of IRV occurred in the most recent mayoral election, which saw the re-election of Progressive Party candidate Bob Kiss. No voting system is perfect, and that is a fact. However, the repeal-IRV folks in VT have taken the one flaw of IRV and are using it to repeal IRV altogether. The Republican candidate would have won with a plurality of the vote had Burlington not had IRV, although the majority of the voters preferred the Democrat who ran (therein lies the flaw of IRV, which happens very rarely). For more information about this flaw in IRV, Google "Concorcet criterion." What the repeal-IRV folks do no mention is that plurality voting has a much more likely chance of violating the Concorcet criterion.
-edward

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--- On Sat, 2/6/10, sosfbay-discuss-request at cagreens.org <sosfbay-discuss-request at cagreens.org> wrote:
Message: 2
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:28:28 -0800
From: eden <edenw at gal3.com>
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] SF Examiner "Group sues to stop instant
??? runoff??? elections in SF"
To: Greens <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
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???I was dismayed to see this, thinking "they even have enough
money/energy to fight on this front?" But, the last comment explains
it better. Nevertheless, does anyone know if this means that SF
implemented the system incorrectly, or is this something fundamental
to all IR systems?

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Group-sues-to-stop-instant-runoff-elections-in-SF-83607307.html#ixzz0efedhVDK


Group sues to stop instant runoff elections in SF

Bay City News
February 5, 2010

SAN FRANCISCO ? Six San Francisco residents sued the city in federal
court Thursdayto challenge its instant runoff voting system.

The lawsuit claims that the way the city implements the system is
unconstitutional because some voters are denied the ability to have
their
vote counted in later rounds of balloting.

The instant runoff system, also known as ranked-choice voting, was
approved by a voter initiative in 2002 and put into effect beginning
in 2004 for the offices of mayor, Board of Supervisors, district
attorney, city attorney, sheriff, public defender, treasurer and
assessor-recorder.

The system is intended to avoid the cost and the risk of low voter
turnout in having a separate runoff election at a later date when no
candidate in a race wins a majority.

Under the system, voters can rank three choices in each race. If no
candidate in a race wins a majority, the candidate with the lowest
number of votes is eliminated and his or her votes are transferred to
the second choices of each citizen who voted for that candidate.

The process continues until one candidate achieves a majority.

Some races, such as supervisor contests, sometimes have a dozen or
more candidates.

The lawsuit claims the system violates the constitutional right to
vote because voters whose candidates are eliminated in early rounds
have no voice in the final rounds of ballot counting in the instant
runoff.

The suit seeks a preliminary injunction that would require the city
either to return to having a separate runoff election or to allow
voters
to rank all candidates in a race.

A hearing on the motion for a preliminary injunction is tentatively
scheduled for March 12 before U.S. District Judge Susan Illston
in San Francisco.

Matt Dorsey, a spokesman for City Attorney Dennis Herrera, said
lawyers for the city had not yet seen the lawsuit, but said, "It's the
city
attorney's job to vigorously defend the laws voters enact, and that
includes ranked-choice voting."

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Dixon

Feb 4, 2010

Never liked the system. I'd like to be able to chose between who is
the final two standing, but you never know when there are so many
candidates.

Let's have a real run-off, where two candidates can debate each other.
But have the run-off a couple months later, say March, not during the
holidays. That's why turn-out was so low.



SF-415

Feb 5, 2010

The old system was much better when you could only vote for one
candidate and then have a runoff election between the two highest vote
getters. Ranked choice voting is very confusing.



John E. Palmer

Feb 5, 2010

Instant runoff voting is a great step forward for eliminating the
spoiler problem of most elections. It also saves costs and avoids the
turnout problems that often result with multiple elections.



Bob Richard

Feb 5, 2010

On ranked choice voting itself, what John Palmer said. It's
interesting that the reporter choose not to name the plaintiffs. So we
have to do a little digging to find out that the lead plaintiff is
losing candidate Ron Dudum. In spite of the previous comments, the
suit has nothing to do with ranked choice voting per se, but rather
questions the use of voting machines that limit the voter to fewer
rankings than there are candidates.


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From: Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net>
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From: Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net>
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Murray Hill is running for Congress.
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Enjoy the results of Corporate Personhood.

http://www.murrayhillweb.com/new_day/index.html


-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
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From jims at greens.org  Sat Feb  6 17:10:15 2010
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:10:15 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] The Green Party is Coming... Volunteers Needed
Message-ID: <4B6E12F7.60303@greens.org>

Santa Clara Greens:

You may have heard that the Green Party of Santa Clara County is hosting the
next state party General Assembly (GA) on March 6-7. A GA is held normally 
twice a year and is the primary decision body for the Green Party of 
California. It is the manifestation of our decentralized decision process 
where the county Locals send their delegates to the GA for collective decision 
making sessions. The GA is also the place where the various state committees 
have a chance to meet in person rather than on teleconferences.

You are all invited to come take a look at the state party in action. The GA
is mostly a business meeting so there aren't a lot of speakers or
presentations, it's mostly proposals being debated and decided. But, since
this GA is in San Jose, you have an opportunity to see how the state party
works, and to meet Greens from around the state.

One event of special interest will be the candidate forum currently scheduled
for 3:15 Saturday afternoon. This will be a panel of several Green candidates
from around the state running for local, state, and federal offices. And I
believe they're planning something of a debate between our two candidates for
Governor.

You can find all the information about the meeting at
http://cagreens.org/plenary/.

If you are just coming for a few hours, you can drop in whenever you like. But
if you want to stay for a breakfast or lunch, please register online for
planning purposes.

----------------------------

In keeping with the all-volunteer nature of our party, we are also in need of
some volunteers to staff the event.

We have a number of people from the "regular crowd" that's actively involved
in our Local, but this is a big event and we need more help. Please consider
helping out with this event by volunteering:

+ Front Desk -- We need 2 or 3 people to staff the registration desk on both
mornings. Registration occurs from 8 to 9 a.m.

+ Set Up -- Setting up the meeting rooms and the kitchen on Saturday morning
is challenging. We have access to the rooms at 7:30. Registration opens at
8:00. The meeting starts at 9:00. So we have to have the table and chairs set
up in the meeting room, and the kitchen and dinning room organized within a
short timeframe on Saturday morning. Sunday morning should not be a big
problem, but clean-up on Sunday afternoon (4:00) may need some help.

+ Videographer -- We would like to record the candidates forum on Saturday
afternoon.

+ Note Taker -- This is a special position that comes with a $100 per day
stipend. It is the official minutes of the meeting, and it requires adequate
skills with a computer and the ability to accurately record the decisions,
clarifications and concerns of the proceedings. Typically a person volunteers
for a 1/2-day session, but hardier people take on a full day. There are
guidelines at http://cagreens.org/gap/NoteTaker.rtf. They're old but still
serve as a general guide for the task.

+ Homestay Hosts -- You may have seen Fred Duperrault's message recruiting
homestay hosts. Most attendees stay in motels, but there are some on tight
budgets who can attend only if they get free housing. In the current ecconomy
many more Greens are in that later category. We could get anywhere from six to
ten homestay requests. If you have a spare bed/sofa/floor-space, please
contact Fred (fredd at freeshell.org).


Reply to me personally or to the list if you can help with these tasks.


Jim Stauffer


From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Feb  7 12:06:57 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:06:57 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] opener for the General Assembly, March 6-7?
Message-ID: <4B6F1D61.7020306@prodsyse.com>

Hello:


The Santa Clara Green meeting last Wednesday included a request for 
suggestions for a 3-5 minute opening performance for the General 
Assembly, March 6-7. If you don't find something better, I can volunteer 
to read a piece I just drafted on "Liberty and Justice for All"; copied 
below. I just timed it at 4:23. (I can also send it to you in MS Word or 
Adobe Acrobat PDF format, with footnote.)


Comments?


Best Wishes,
Spencer

###############################

Liberty and Justice for All


Spencer Graves



/I pledge allegiance to /

/liberty and justice for all./



The US Pledge of Allegiance is these 9 words of commitment with 22 words 
of Marketing hype: ?the flag of the United States of America and to the 
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with? 
Marketing hype.

The primary opponents of liberty and justice for all are elites whose 
power and status is threatened by limits on their use of terror to 
oppress the bottom 99 percent of humanity. I know of no enemies of the 
United States other than ones we have earned by opposing liberty and 
justice for all. If you know an exception, I want to see your evidence 
and compare is with other sources such as identified in footnotes to 
this essay.

We can win the ?War on Terror? almost overnight by making ?liberty and 
justice for all? the primary feature of US foreign policy, terminating 
US support for state terror.

For example, without US troops in Saudi Arabia, the suicide mass murders 
of September 11, 2001, would almost certainly not have occurred. We know 
this from multiple sources. First, 15 of the 19 suicide mass murderers 
of September 11, 2001 were Saudis, and the other 4 were from neighboring 
Islamic countries.^1 <#sdfootnote1sym> Second, Al Qaeda listed US troops 
in Saudi Arabia with US support of Israel as its primary complaints.^2 
<#sdfootnote2sym> Third, the best available research on suicide terror 
in different countries with different religions has identified three 
elements common to the vast majority of suicide terror attacks: (1) a 
foreign occupation (2) by a democracy (3) of a different religion.^3 
<#sdfootnote3sym>

The US currently has an appallingly weak and counterproductive foreign 
policy and approach to fighting terrorism: Our refusal to support 
liberty and justice for all is manufacturing enemies faster than we can 
neutralize them.^4 <#sdfootnote4sym>

Just say ?No? to state terror. Remove US troops from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, 
Afghanistan, Pakistan and every other nation where people are not free 
to express themselves and assemble peacefully. Declassify all US 
government secrets concerning US support for police and military 
supplies, training, and covert action in opposition to democracy.

We must deal with the world as it is, not as the advocates of ?political 
realism? pretend. US foreign policy since its founding has primarily 
supported US international business interests. There is no other 
substantive domestic constituency for foreign policy,^5 
<#sdfootnote5sym> and official misconduct in this area is routinely 
unreported or distorted to paint the black white and the white black.^6 
<#sdfootnote6sym>

There are no non-state terrorist organizations capable of threatening 
the internal security of the US. The only way Al Qaeda or any similar 
organization can win is if we manufacture recruits for them by denying 
liberty and justice for all, as Britain did for Washington during the 
American Revolution. During the Cold War, the USSR was big and capable 
of seriously damaging the US if they chose to attack. That's not 
currently true of non-state terrorist organizations.


Why are we afraid of mice?


The next time you stand in a security screening line, remember that the 
US is no longer the land of the brave and the home of the free but the 
land of the fearful and cowardly.

We should just say ?No? to state terror and commit ourselves to liberty 
and justice for all, not just as Marketing hype.



www.prodsyse.com

1 
<#sdfootnote1anc>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Attackers_and_their_motivation

2 <#sdfootnote2anc>ibid.

3 <#sdfootnote3anc>Robert A. Pape (2005) /Dying to Win /(Random House). 
See also Mia Bloom (2005) /Dying to Kill /(Columbia U. Pr.).

4 <#sdfootnote4anc>Chalmers Johnson (2000) /Blowback /(Henry Holt) 
virtually predicted 9/11 as the consequences of US support for state 
terror around the world, though did not identify Al Qaeda. The ?War on 
Terror? is merely the latest Marketing wrapper for US support for state 
terror internationally, which dates in US history at least President 
Washington's decision to send US tax money to slave owners in Haiti, 
then St. Domingue to suppress a 1791 slave rebellion 
(www.iacenter.org/haiti/ impact.htm). Its continuation from the late 
19th century to the present is documented in Chalmers Johnson (2004) 
/The Sorrows of Empire /(Metropolitan) and William Blum (2004) /Killing 
Hope/, updated ed. (Common Courage Pr.).

5 <#sdfootnote5anc>Robert Kagan (2006) /Dangerous Nation /(Knopf). An 
exception of foreign policy supporting primarily the wealthy was policy 
towards Native Americans before their land was incorporated into the US.

6 <#sdfootnote6anc>Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky (1988) 
/Manufacturing Consent /(Pantheon), esp. ch. 2, which document show the 
murder of one Polish priest in 1984 received the same volume of coverage 
in the US media as the murders of 100 church people in Latin America, 
whose repressive governments received security supplies and training 
from the US.

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Sun Feb  7 13:56:47 2010
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Sun,  7 Feb 2010 13:56:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] gmail considered harmful,
	was Re:  SF Examiner "Group sues...
Message-ID: <20100207215647.EB1536A949@truffula.sj.ca.us>


Edward wrote, from a Yahoo account,

>X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:15:56 -0800 (PST)
>From: Edward <the_alliance47 at yahoo.com>
>To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org

>Please note that I have transferred to Google Mail. Please take a moment to=
> help me raise awareness about Google's violation of freedom of speech.

I couldn't find the context of "Google's violation of freedom of speech"
in the message string Edward copied here.

Google's "don't be evil" is just a slogan, and conflicts with the US
Supreme Court's Dodge Brothers vs Ford ruling.  Eventually "the
shareholders" will sue over some decision and force some evildoing,
and that will be the end of it.

Meanwhile, Microsoft, Yahoo, and Google supply the great majority of
email reception and storage service to the Nigerian fraud
syndicate.  Any one of them could get out of the fraud business
by making reasonable changes to their "free email" business model.
Outblaze, also known as Mail.com, has done it, and they're in
the same business and just about as big.
MSFT, Yahoo, aed Google *choose* to support one of the world's largest
and most sophisticated criminal gangs instead.

I wouldn't suggest boycotting Google's many other services.  I think
they're doing more good than evil these days.  But I wouldn't send
Greens to Google for email service.  Professional grade email service
costs money, but not much.  Consider registering your own name and
using your registrar's email service.  Gandi.net at $15/year for
a 1 GB mailbox and Web or IMAP service might be a good choice.
Or godaddy.com if you must have tech support by phone.

-Cameron in San Jose



From wrolley at charter.net  Mon Feb  8 12:17:09 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:17:09 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Leadership Forum this Wednesday in Santa
	Clara]
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From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:43:15 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Leadership Forum this Wednesday in
 Santa Clara]
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      What evidence is there that a constitutional convention would 
produce anything better than what we've got? 


      Wouldn't a constitutional convention be hijacked by the 
ultra-wealthy to create a system even more in their favor? 


      Spencer Graves


Wes Rolley wrote:
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Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
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ph:  408-655-4567



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  8 13:45:43 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:45:43 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Leadership Forum this Wednesday in
	Santa Clara]
References: <4B707145.3040500@charter.net> <4B707763.5010009@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <4B708607.4000005@earthlink.net>



spencerg wrote:

>       What evidence is there that a constitutional convention would 
> produce anything better than what we've got? 


I think this is based on the idea that things are seriously
broken right now. and "WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING".


> 
>       Wouldn't a constitutional convention be hijacked by the 
> ultra-wealthy to create a system even more in their favor? 


Good Question!  Maybe, maybe not.

Somehow, I don't think this issue will go away any time soon.
Maybe when and if the econolmy improves.

Gerry


> 
>       Spencer Graves
> 
> Wes Rolley wrote:
> 
>>-------- Original Message --------
>>Subject: 	Leadership Forum this Wednesday in Santa Clara
>>Date: 	Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:38:44 -0800
>>From: 	Repair California: Call a State Constitutional Convention 
>><no-reply at causes.com>
>>To: 	wrolley at charter.net
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>Be counted:
>>I Read This <http://apps.facebook.com/causes/posts/385842?m=750a8b7e&user_viewed=1>
>>
>>We can't wait to see you at our Leadership Forum this Wednesday, February 10th 
>>from 6:30pm-8:30pm at the Santa Clara Convention Center! If you haven't RSVP'd 
>>yet, please do so now by going here: 
>>http://www.repaircalifornia.org/SantaClaraLeadershipForum 
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  8 13:48:06 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:48:06 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Climate Trial
Message-ID: <4B708696.9070708@earthlink.net>



FYI,

A plea from Naomi Klien, Bill McKibben, James Hansen,
and Terry Tempest Williams to support the man who
did civil disobedience by bidding for an oil/gas lease
with no money.

"Join the Climate Trial"
      http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/08-9

Gerry





From alexcathy at aol.com  Mon Feb  8 16:40:12 2010
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:40:12 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a Good
 Picture of Deacon Alexander?
Message-ID: <8CC77379311A25D-575C-3577@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com>

I'm surprised this e-list isn't crackling with news about the 20th Anniversary party up in Berkeley.  

How did it go? 

B.T.W. did anybody get any good pictures of Deacon Alexander?  I would like to post one on my blog.  


Alex 
 


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From jims at greens.org  Mon Feb  8 17:50:17 2010
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:50:17 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] opener for the General Assembly, March 6-7?
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OK, Spencer. Let's see, we want an opening ceremony that's welcoming, 
uplifting and energizing. I'm not sure a 4-minute diatribe on how the 
Declaration of Independence is mostly marketing hype would quite get the 
effect we're after.

But it's a fun read.

Jim




On 2/7/2010 12:06 PM, spencerg wrote:
> Hello:
>
>
> The Santa Clara Green meeting last Wednesday included a request for
> suggestions for a 3-5 minute opening performance for the General Assembly,
> March 6-7. If you don't find something better, I can volunteer to read a
> piece I just drafted on "Liberty and Justice for All"; copied below. I just
> timed it at 4:23. (I can also send it to you in MS Word or Adobe Acrobat
> PDF format, with footnote.)
>
>
> Comments?
>
>
> Best Wishes, Spencer
>
> ###############################
>
> Liberty and Justice for All
>
>
> Spencer Graves
>
>
>
> /I pledge allegiance to /
>
> /liberty and justice for all./
>
>
>
> The US Pledge of Allegiance is these 9 words of commitment with 22 words of
> Marketing hype: ?the flag of the United States of America and to the
> republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with?
> Marketing hype.
>
> The primary opponents of liberty and justice for all are elites whose power
> and status is threatened by limits on their use of terror to oppress the
> bottom 99 percent of humanity. I know of no enemies of the United States
> other than ones we have earned by opposing liberty and justice for all. If
> you know an exception, I want to see your evidence and compare is with
> other sources such as identified in footnotes to this essay.
>
> We can win the ?War on Terror? almost overnight by making ?liberty and
> justice for all? the primary feature of US foreign policy, terminating US
> support for state terror.
>
> For example, without US troops in Saudi Arabia, the suicide mass murders of
> September 11, 2001, would almost certainly not have occurred. We know this
> from multiple sources. First, 15 of the 19 suicide mass murderers of
> September 11, 2001 were Saudis, and the other 4 were from neighboring
> Islamic countries.^1<#sdfootnote1sym>  Second, Al Qaeda listed US troops in
> Saudi Arabia with US support of Israel as its primary complaints.^2
> <#sdfootnote2sym>  Third, the best available research on suicide terror in
> different countries with different religions has identified three elements
> common to the vast majority of suicide terror attacks: (1) a foreign
> occupation (2) by a democracy (3) of a different religion.^3
> <#sdfootnote3sym>
>
> The US currently has an appallingly weak and counterproductive foreign
> policy and approach to fighting terrorism: Our refusal to support liberty
> and justice for all is manufacturing enemies faster than we can neutralize
> them.^4<#sdfootnote4sym>
>
> Just say ?No? to state terror. Remove US troops from Saudi Arabia, Iraq,
> Afghanistan, Pakistan and every other nation where people are not free to
> express themselves and assemble peacefully. Declassify all US government
> secrets concerning US support for police and military supplies, training,
> and covert action in opposition to democracy.
>
> We must deal with the world as it is, not as the advocates of ?political
> realism? pretend. US foreign policy since its founding has primarily
> supported US international business interests. There is no other
> substantive domestic constituency for foreign policy,^5 <#sdfootnote5sym>
> and official misconduct in this area is routinely unreported or distorted
> to paint the black white and the white black.^6 <#sdfootnote6sym>
>
> There are no non-state terrorist organizations capable of threatening the
> internal security of the US. The only way Al Qaeda or any similar
> organization can win is if we manufacture recruits for them by denying
> liberty and justice for all, as Britain did for Washington during the
> American Revolution. During the Cold War, the USSR was big and capable of
> seriously damaging the US if they chose to attack. That's not currently
> true of non-state terrorist organizations.
>
>
> Why are we afraid of mice?
>
>
> The next time you stand in a security screening line, remember that the US
> is no longer the land of the brave and the home of the free but the land of
> the fearful and cowardly.
>
> We should just say ?No? to state terror and commit ourselves to liberty and
> justice for all, not just as Marketing hype.
>
>
>
> www.prodsyse.com
>
> 1
> <#sdfootnote1anc>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Attackers_and_their_motivation
>
>  2<#sdfootnote2anc>ibid.
>
> 3<#sdfootnote3anc>Robert A. Pape (2005) /Dying to Win /(Random House). See
> also Mia Bloom (2005) /Dying to Kill /(Columbia U. Pr.).
>
> 4<#sdfootnote4anc>Chalmers Johnson (2000) /Blowback /(Henry Holt) virtually
> predicted 9/11 as the consequences of US support for state terror around
> the world, though did not identify Al Qaeda. The ?War on Terror? is merely
> the latest Marketing wrapper for US support for state terror
> internationally, which dates in US history at least President Washington's
> decision to send US tax money to slave owners in Haiti, then St. Domingue
> to suppress a 1791 slave rebellion (www.iacenter.org/haiti/ impact.htm).
> Its continuation from the late 19th century to the present is documented in
> Chalmers Johnson (2004) /The Sorrows of Empire /(Metropolitan) and William
> Blum (2004) /Killing Hope/, updated ed. (Common Courage Pr.).
>
> 5<#sdfootnote5anc>Robert Kagan (2006) /Dangerous Nation /(Knopf). An
> exception of foreign policy supporting primarily the wealthy was policy
> towards Native Americans before their land was incorporated into the US.
>
> 6<#sdfootnote6anc>Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky (1988) /Manufacturing
> Consent /(Pantheon), esp. ch. 2, which document show the murder of one
> Polish priest in 1984 received the same volume of coverage in the US media
> as the murders of 100 church people in Latin America, whose repressive
> governments received security supplies and training from the US.
>


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  8 18:00:53 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:00:53 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a
 Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
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  There were about 60 to 80 people.  Looks like everybody had a good time.  Tian, Cameron, Tom, and Carol were there, and Dave Heller, and Ray Tobey looking very Republican in a suit.  I didn't really know anybody else and I pretty much sat back and watched.  Some of the people I had seen before, probably at John Yoo demonstrations.  

   I was disappointed that so many people abused the strategy session to 
engage in long rambling reminiscences and I fell asleep twice during 
that.  I'd had little sleep the night before, and because my car had broken down on the trip up I stank of antifreeze, so I didn't feel very sociable, and I didn't even think of bringing up my strategy issues:

   1.  A public finance (Prop 15) campaign would be a great organizing vehicle.  If we get just 15,000 $5 donations we get a million dollars to run a professional Secretary of State campaign, just like a real party.  If paid staffers choose to use their pay for political activities these funds could be a real energizer for the party.  Since we have 111,000 registered Greens today, if we can't get the 15k donors in four years we should just give up.

   2.  Campaign Finance reform.  The average congressional rep takes in $1.5 million per election, and according to Lawrence Lessig, spends 40% to 60% of her time raising that money which, because of gerrymandered safe seats, they don't need.  Much of this money goes to the Democratic party, and much is paid to consultants who get enormous sums with little transparency.   Since fundraising success is a factor in gaining committee chairmanships and other perks, Reps have to spend their time as party fundraisers instead of solving our country's problems.   The Dems suck.  We don't.

   It was great to hear the inspiring story of how in the early days 
79,000 people were persuaded to register for a party that didn't yet 
exist.  During 2003 antiwar demonstrations it was said that people 
crowded the registration tables four deep to sign up.



   Ray said that continuing to run campaigns where we get 5% of the vote was just guaranteeing that we'll continue to be ineffective.  It seemed that few people wanted to hear that.  It was nice to see a reunion amongst the old timers, people chattering excitedly.  But it reminded me of 9/11 Truth conventions where people go to have their dissenting beliefs reinforced by like-minded people.  I wonder if there's something cultish about continuing to convince each other that it's enough just to pull in a few thousand votes.  If we are to convince the mainstream that we are a viable alternative instead of a perennial protest vote, we need to convince ourselves of that first.











To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:40:12 -0500
From: alexcathy at aol.com
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?

I'm surprised this e-list isn't crackling with news about the 20th Anniversary party up in Berkeley.  





How did it go? 





B.T.W. did anybody get any good pictures of Deacon Alexander?  I would like to post one on my blog.  








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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  8 18:41:43 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:41:43 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a
	Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
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Brian Good wrote:

> 


<clip>


> 
>    I was disappointed that so many people abused the strategy session to 
> engage in long rambling reminiscences and I fell asleep twice during 
> that.  


I did not attend.  The main reason I would have gone would have been
for the strategy seesion.  Sounds like I did not miss much.


> I'd had little sleep the night before, and because my car had 
> broken down on the trip up I stank of antifreeze, so I didn't feel very 
> sociable, and I didn't even think of bringing up my strategy issues:
> 
>    1.  A public finance (Prop 15) campaign would be a great organizing 
> vehicle.  If we get just 15,000 $5 donations we get a million dollars to 
> run a professional Secretary of State campaign, just like a real party.  
> If paid staffers choose to use their pay for political activities these 
> funds could be a real energizer for the party.  Since we have 111,000 
> registered Greens today, if we can't get the 15k donors in four years we 
> should just give up.


Or change the org from political party to something else.

Good point.


> 
>    2.  Campaign Finance reform.  The average congressional rep takes in 
> $1.5 million per election, and according to Lawrence Lessig, spends 40% 
> to 60% of her time raising that money which, because of gerrymandered 
> safe seats, they don't need.  Much of this money goes to the Democratic 
> party, and much is paid to consultants who get enormous sums with little 
> transparency.   Since fundraising success is a factor in gaining 
> committee chairmanships and other perks, Reps have to spend their time 
> as party fundraisers instead of solving our country's problems.   The 
> Dems suck.  We don't.


I am not sure what your point is.  I assume that you are trying to
argue for the need to work on campaign finance reform.  If so,
I agree.  I expect to be working for Prop 15, and supporting
the national Fair Elections effort.


> 
>    It was great to hear the inspiring story of how in the early days 
> 79,000 people were persuaded to register for a party that didn't yet 
> exist.  During 2003 antiwar demonstrations it was said that people 
> crowded the registration tables four deep to sign up.
> 
>    Ray said that continuing to run campaigns where we get 5% of the vote 
> was just guaranteeing that we'll continue to be ineffective.  It seemed 
> that few people wanted to hear that.  


I wonder why.

> It was nice to see a reunion 
> amongst the old timers, people chattering excitedly.  But it reminded me 
> of 9/11 Truth conventions where people go to have their dissenting 
> beliefs reinforced by like-minded people.  I wonder if there's something 
> cultish about continuing to convince each other that it's enough just to 
> pull in a few thousand votes.  If we are to convince the mainstream that 
> we are a viable alternative instead of a perennial protest vote, we need 
> to convince ourselves of that first.


Seems reasonable.

Gerry


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> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a 
> Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
> 
> I'm surprised this e-list isn't crackling with news about the 20th 
> Anniversary party up in Berkeley. 
> 
> How did it go?
> 
> B.T.W. did anybody get any good pictures of Deacon Alexander?  I would 
> like to post one on my blog. 
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From green at bionictoad.com  Mon Feb  8 19:01:43 2010
From: green at bionictoad.com (Ray Tobey)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:01:43 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go?
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Brian Good wrote:
>    Ray said that continuing to run campaigns where we get 5% of the 
> vote was just guaranteeing that we'll continue to be ineffective.  It 
> seemed that few people wanted to hear that.  It was nice to see a 
> reunion amongst the old timers, people chattering excitedly.  But it 
> reminded me of 9/11 Truth conventions where people go to have their 
> dissenting beliefs reinforced by like-minded people.  I wonder if 
> there's something cultish about continuing to convince each other that 
> it's enough just to pull in a few thousand votes.  If we are to 
> convince the mainstream that we are a viable alternative instead of a 
> perennial protest vote, we need to convince ourselves of that first.

Thank you Brian. I thought that no one had heard me say that.

I think it was a relatively pleasant social event and that everyone had 
a good time. Our candidate for Lt. Governor is Jim Castillo, a Native 
American. I enjoyed the blessing ceremony that he started the event 
with. It was also very nice to hear his associate Bill play Native 
American flutes. I enjoyed conversing with Bill and his wife Jane, both 
of whom will be helping Jimmy.

There was literature for a bunch of past candidates on several tables. 
Quite a few founders and past candidates attended. The event was a 
celebration of these accomplishments and how important the Party is and 
how the world needs these candidates.

However, as Brian alluded to, I find all these Green events very 
frustrating. We gather a couple times a year and do internal structure 
admin. We have social functions like this one.

However, it seems such a waste to gather all these activists together 
without working to improve our effectiveness. Hardly a word was spoken 
about how you actually run a campaign. We did not talk about how you 
accomplish any tasks within a campaign, like a mailing. We did not talk 
about how to plan and execute the different phases of a campaign, like 
base building, fundraising, persuasion or GOTV. We did not talk about 
how one campaign affects allied campaigns or subsequent campaigns.

I counted 73 people at one point. (I'll bet 100 attended, but not all at 
the same time). Everyone sat quietly while we listened to Charlene 
Spretnak and someone else talk about the old days on the phone. She 
mentioned that about 15 years ago, they determined that the Green Party 
needed to teach people how to run campaigns.

It strikes me that we all know of this need. We've known it for a long 
time. I just do not see us doing very much about it.

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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Mon Feb  8 20:11:59 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:11:59 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go?
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Ray Tobey wrote:
> Brian Good wrote:
>>    Ray said that continuing to run campaigns where we get 5% of the
>> vote was just guaranteeing that we'll continue to be ineffective.  It
>> seemed that few people wanted to hear that.  It was nice to see a
>> reunion amongst the old timers, people chattering excitedly.  But it
>> reminded me of 9/11 Truth conventions where people go to have their
>> dissenting beliefs reinforced by like-minded people.  I wonder if
>> there's something cultish about continuing to convince each other that
>> it's enough just to pull in a few thousand votes.  If we are to
>> convince the mainstream that we are a viable alternative instead of a
>> perennial protest vote, we need to convince ourselves of that first.
> 
> Thank you Brian. I thought that no one had heard me say that.
> 
> I think it was a relatively pleasant social event and that everyone had
> a good time. Our candidate for Lt. Governor is Jim Castillo, a Native
> American. I enjoyed the blessing ceremony that he started the event
> with. It was also very nice to hear his associate Bill play Native
> American flutes. I enjoyed conversing with Bill and his wife Jane, both
> of whom will be helping Jimmy.

I was impressed by Jim Castillo. If somebody gave me a page to gather
signatures for him on I would. Anybody want to mail me a couple?
> 
> There was literature for a bunch of past candidates on several tables.
> Quite a few founders and past candidates attended. The event was a
> celebration of these accomplishments and how important the Party is and
> how the world needs these candidates.

I met at least one green incumbent I'd not met before, Silverdale or
something like that. I also took a bunch of pictures of one of a kind
people like the first guy to lose against none of the above.
> 
> However, as Brian alluded to, I find all these Green events very
> frustrating. We gather a couple times a year and do internal structure
> admin. We have social functions like this one.

I got two chances to stand up. The first time I talked about running,
the second time I talked about change. Then I spent all the break time
showing everybody I could that there is now a buck with "PEACE" on it.
I'd tell them "now that there is peace in the change, for only a buck
you can have peace in your change." Moved quite a few of the things.
Now there is a more distributed sprinkling of PEACE in peoples change.
> 
> However, it seems such a waste to gather all these activists together
> without working to improve our effectiveness. Hardly a word was spoken
> about how you actually run a campaign. We did not talk about how you
> accomplish any tasks within a campaign, like a mailing. We did not talk
> about how to plan and execute the different phases of a campaign, like
> base building, fundraising, persuasion or GOTV. We did not talk about
> how one campaign affects allied campaigns or subsequent campaigns.
> 
> I counted 73 people at one point. (I'll bet 100 attended, but not all at
> the same time). Everyone sat quietly while we listened to Charlene
> Spretnak and someone else talk about the old days on the phone. She
> mentioned that about 15 years ago, they determined that the Green Party
> needed to teach people how to run campaigns.
> 
> It strikes me that we all know of this need. We've known it for a long
> time. I just do not see us doing very much about it.
> 
I enjoyed what happened. I got lots of pictures for my website.
I should be trimming those instead of yammering. Excuse me...
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: added pictures from a peace center awards ceremony.


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  8 21:35:18 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:35:18 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go?
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Tian, your account of your Sacramento campaigns was probably the funniest thing 
that day, and definitely did not put me to sleep.  I wish I had a picture to show you 
of the eyes that Libertarian hottie was making at you.





> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 20:11:59 -0800
> From: tnharter at aceweb.com
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go?
> 
> 
> 
> Ray Tobey wrote:
> > Brian Good wrote:
> >>    Ray said that continuing to run campaigns where we get 5% of the
> >> vote was just guaranteeing that we'll continue to be ineffective.  It
> >> seemed that few people wanted to hear that.  It was nice to see a
> >> reunion amongst the old timers, people chattering excitedly.  But it
> >> reminded me of 9/11 Truth conventions where people go to have their
> >> dissenting beliefs reinforced by like-minded people.  I wonder if
> >> there's something cultish about continuing to convince each other that
> >> it's enough just to pull in a few thousand votes.  If we are to
> >> convince the mainstream that we are a viable alternative instead of a
> >> perennial protest vote, we need to convince ourselves of that first.
> > 
> > Thank you Brian. I thought that no one had heard me say that.
> > 
> > I think it was a relatively pleasant social event and that everyone had
> > a good time. Our candidate for Lt. Governor is Jim Castillo, a Native
> > American. I enjoyed the blessing ceremony that he started the event
> > with. It was also very nice to hear his associate Bill play Native
> > American flutes. I enjoyed conversing with Bill and his wife Jane, both
> > of whom will be helping Jimmy.
> 
> I was impressed by Jim Castillo. If somebody gave me a page to gather
> signatures for him on I would. Anybody want to mail me a couple?
> > 
> > There was literature for a bunch of past candidates on several tables.
> > Quite a few founders and past candidates attended. The event was a
> > celebration of these accomplishments and how important the Party is and
> > how the world needs these candidates.
> 
> I met at least one green incumbent I'd not met before, Silverdale or
> something like that. I also took a bunch of pictures of one of a kind
> people like the first guy to lose against none of the above.
> > 
> > However, as Brian alluded to, I find all these Green events very
> > frustrating. We gather a couple times a year and do internal structure
> > admin. We have social functions like this one.
> 
> I got two chances to stand up. The first time I talked about running,
> the second time I talked about change. Then I spent all the break time
> showing everybody I could that there is now a buck with "PEACE" on it.
> I'd tell them "now that there is peace in the change, for only a buck
> you can have peace in your change." Moved quite a few of the things.
> Now there is a more distributed sprinkling of PEACE in peoples change.
> > 
> > However, it seems such a waste to gather all these activists together
> > without working to improve our effectiveness. Hardly a word was spoken
> > about how you actually run a campaign. We did not talk about how you
> > accomplish any tasks within a campaign, like a mailing. We did not talk
> > about how to plan and execute the different phases of a campaign, like
> > base building, fundraising, persuasion or GOTV. We did not talk about
> > how one campaign affects allied campaigns or subsequent campaigns.
> > 
> > I counted 73 people at one point. (I'll bet 100 attended, but not all at
> > the same time). Everyone sat quietly while we listened to Charlene
> > Spretnak and someone else talk about the old days on the phone. She
> > mentioned that about 15 years ago, they determined that the Green Party
> > needed to teach people how to run campaigns.
> > 
> > It strikes me that we all know of this need. We've known it for a long
> > time. I just do not see us doing very much about it.
> > 
> I enjoyed what happened. I got lots of pictures for my website.
> I should be trimming those instead of yammering. Excuse me...
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest change: added pictures from a peace center awards ceremony.
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Tue Feb  9 07:42:26 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:42:26 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go?
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Hi, Tian: 


      There is a story behind that "PEACE" coin(a):  It mentions 
"HAUDENOSAUNEE" and "GREAT LAW OF PEACE".  "Haudenosaunee" is another 
word for Iroquois, which was a league of five tribes formed "In the 16th 
century or earlier ... [and expanded to six tribes] in the 18th century 
... .  According to tradition, the League was formed through the efforts 
of two men, Deganawida, sometimes known as the Great Peacemaker, and 
Hiawatha. They brought a message, known as the Great Law of Peace, to 
the squabbling nations. ... Once they ceased most of their infighting, 
the Iroquois rapidly became one of the strongest forces in seventeenth- 
and eighteenth-century northeastern North America."(b) 


      They were strong, because they agreed to settle their differences 
by rule of law rather than resorting to violence.  Their strength was 
limited, because they lacked an effective means for extending their 
confederacy.  The strength of the US is partly based on emulating the 
constitution of the Iroquois confederation, with which Ben Franklin and 
others had had contact in the years prior to the American Revolution.  
Conversely, in my judgment, the strength of the US is limited in part by 
the contempt US elites and media show for the United Nations and 
international law


      Comments?
      Spencer

(a)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacagawea_dollar

(b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois


Tian Harter wrote:
> <snip>
> there is now a buck with "PEACE" on it.
> I'd tell them "now that there is peace in the change, for only a buck
> you can have peace in your change." Moved quite a few of the things.
> Now there is a more distributed sprinkling of PEACE in peoples change.
<snip>

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  9 11:13:36 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:13:36 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Special Tax for Education?
Message-ID: <4B71B3E0.5060101@earthlink.net>


In this article is a proposal for a special tax on
Wall Street bonuses to be used to help provide more
money for education.  Boxer is one of the sponsors.

"Taking a Bullet on Wall St."
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/09-5

Gerry

P.S. Oh yes, the title comes from someone saying that
Blankfein is almost taking a bullet because he is
getting only a $9 million bonus.



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  9 13:02:20 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:02:20 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] logistics packet ready
Message-ID: <4B71CD5C.108@sbcglobal.net>

GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE

This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List.  For more information,
or questions related to the topic of the posting, please do not hit reply. 
Follow the contact directions stated in the email.
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The logistics packet for the March 6-7 General Assembly in San Jose is now
available for downloading from the plenary web site:

http://www.cagreens.org/plenary/

The proposal packet was previously posted to the site.

The logistics packet contains information on the meeting site, housing,
registration and host contacts.

You will need the common password for access only to the proposal packet.
Please contact your County Council or Regional Representative if you don't
have it.
----------------

Online registration is now open. Use the Registration link on the 
plenary page
cited above. Please register as soon as possible to help the host committee
prepare the event.

Counties are also required to submit their list of General Assembly 
delegates
online. Use the Delegates link on the plenary page cited above.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
IMPORTANT:  All delegate names must be submitted before the meeting. Due to
past problems, the Accreditation Committee will no longer accept 
delegate name
submissions at the meeting.
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Online registration and delegate submission closes at midnight on Wednesday
March 3.
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You may participate in this important event in a number of ways:

At the General Assembly
-- as a delegate or a observer in the decision-making plenary sessions 
and/or
-- as participant in working group, standing committee and/or caucus 
meetings

Before the General Assembly
-- with a working group or standing committee that is generating a proposal
-- discussing the agenda proposals in your county and on-line.

We hope to see you in San Jose!



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue Feb  9 17:28:24 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:28:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a
	Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
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Okay, we have four years. I would start tomorrow gathering signatures and donations, if I knew 
1)where to get a signature sheet
2)how to file it when it's full
3) where to send donations (how do you keep track of them so you can prove you have $5 donations and not a couple of corporate donations?)
I'm up for that kind of action. I'm perfectly happy to be a foot soldier. I don't want to take a class in how to run a campaign. I'm willing to bet there is somebody out there who can answer my simple questions. Well, why don't you?
Caroline




________________________________
From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
To: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 6:41:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?



Brian Good wrote:

> 


<clip>


> 
>? ? I was disappointed that so many people abused the strategy session to 
> engage in long rambling reminiscences and I fell asleep twice during 
> that.? 


I did not attend.? The main reason I would have gone would have been
for the strategy seesion.? Sounds like I did not miss much.


> I'd had little sleep the night before, and because my car had 
> broken down on the trip up I stank of antifreeze, so I didn't feel very 
> sociable, and I didn't even think of bringing up my strategy issues:
> 
>? ? 1.? A public finance (Prop 15) campaign would be a great organizing 
> vehicle.? If we get just 15,000 $5 donations we get a million dollars to 
> run a professional Secretary of State campaign, just like a real party.? 
> If paid staffers choose to use their pay for political activities these 
> funds could be a real energizer for the party.? Since we have 111,000 
> registered Greens today, if we can't get the 15k donors in four years we 
> should just give up.


Or change the org from political party to something else.

Good point.


> 
>? ? 2.? Campaign Finance reform.? The average congressional rep takes in 
> $1.5 million per election, and according to Lawrence Lessig, spends 40% 
> to 60% of her time raising that money which, because of gerrymandered 
> safe seats, they don't need.? Much of this money goes to the Democratic 
> party, and much is paid to consultants who get enormous sums with little 
> transparency.? Since fundraising success is a factor in gaining 
> committee chairmanships and other perks, Reps have to spend their time 
> as party fundraisers instead of solving our country's problems.? The 
> Dems suck.? We don't.


I am not sure what your point is.? I assume that you are trying to
argue for the need to work on campaign finance reform.? If so,
I agree.? I expect to be working for Prop 15, and supporting
the national Fair Elections effort.


> 
>? ? It was great to hear the inspiring story of how in the early days 
> 79,000 people were persuaded to register for a party that didn't yet 
> exist.? During 2003 antiwar demonstrations it was said that people 
> crowded the registration tables four deep to sign up.
> 
>? ? Ray said that continuing to run campaigns where we get 5% of the vote 
> was just guaranteeing that we'll continue to be ineffective.? It seemed 
> that few people wanted to hear that.? 


I wonder why.

> It was nice to see a reunion 
> amongst the old timers, people chattering excitedly.? But it reminded me 
> of 9/11 Truth conventions where people go to have their dissenting 
> beliefs reinforced by like-minded people.? I wonder if there's something 
> cultish about continuing to convince each other that it's enough just to 
> pull in a few thousand votes.? If we are to convince the mainstream that 
> we are a viable alternative instead of a perennial protest vote, we need 
> to convince ourselves of that first.


Seems reasonable.

Gerry


> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:40:12 -0500
> From: alexcathy at aol.com
> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a 
> Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
> 
> I'm surprised this e-list isn't crackling with news about the 20th 
> Anniversary party up in Berkeley. 
> 
> How did it go?
> 
> B.T.W. did anybody get any good pictures of Deacon Alexander?? I would 
> like to post one on my blog. 
> 
> 
> Alex
> 
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  9 17:48:49 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:48:49 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a
	Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
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I doubt that anyone on this list can give definitive answers.
But I know who to talk to to find out, if necessary.  I have
gone to a few of their events.  Do you want me to ask?


Caroline Yacoub wrote:

> Okay, we have four years. I would start tomorrow gathering signatures 
> and donations, if I knew
> 
> 1)where to get a signature sheet


I bet that they won't be available until sometime after
Prop 15 is passed.


> 
> 2)how to file it when it's full


That info should be available about the same time
as the petitions.


> 
> 3) where to send donations 


Ditto.

> (how do you keep track of them so you can 
> prove you have $5 donations and not a couple of corporate donations?)


Now that is a very good question.  I know that that point
has been raised before, and I don't remember hearing a
good answer.  I remember thinking it would help if people
paid their $5 by check, but what if someone does not have
a checking account?  Maybe they just require the signature
gatherer to certify under penalty of perjury that they
received $5 from each signee.

Gerry


> 
> I'm up for that kind of action. I'm perfectly happy to be a foot 
> soldier. I don't want to take a class in how to run a campaign. I'm 
> willing to bet there is somebody out there who can answer my simple 
> questions. Well, why don't you?
> 
> Caroline
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
> To: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 6:41:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get 
> a Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
> 
> 
> 
> Brian Good wrote:
> 
>  >
> 
> 
> <clip>
> 
> 
>  >
>  >    I was disappointed that so many people abused the strategy session to
>  > engage in long rambling reminiscences and I fell asleep twice during
>  > that. 
> 
> 
> I did not attend.  The main reason I would have gone would have been
> for the strategy seesion.  Sounds like I did not miss much.
> 
> 
>  > I'd had little sleep the night before, and because my car had
>  > broken down on the trip up I stank of antifreeze, so I didn't feel very
>  > sociable, and I didn't even think of bringing up my strategy issues:
>  >
>  >    1.  A public finance (Prop 15) campaign would be a great organizing
>  > vehicle.  If we get just 15,000 $5 donations we get a million dollars to
>  > run a professional Secretary of State campaign, just like a real party. 
>  > If paid staffers choose to use their pay for political activities these
>  > funds could be a real energizer for the party.  Since we have 111,000
>  > registered Greens today, if we can't get the 15k donors in four years we
>  > should just give up.
> 
> 
> Or change the org from political party to something else.
> 
> Good point.
> 
> 
>  >
>  >    2.  Campaign Finance reform.  The average congressional rep takes in
>  > $1.5 million per election, and according to Lawrence Lessig, spends 40%
>  > to 60% of her time raising that money which, because of gerrymandered
>  > safe seats, they don't need.  Much of this money goes to the Democratic
>  > party, and much is paid to consultants who get enormous sums with little
>  > transparency.  Since fundraising success is a factor in gaining
>  > committee chairmanships and other perks, Reps have to spend their time
>  > as party fundraisers instead of solving our country's problems.  The
>  > Dems suck.  We don't.
> 
> 
> I am not sure what your point is.  I assume that you are trying to
> argue for the need to work on campaign finance reform.  If so,
> I agree.  I expect to be working for Prop 15, and supporting
> the national Fair Elections effort.
> 
> 
>  >
>  >    It was great to hear the inspiring story of how in the early days
>  > 79,000 people were persuaded to register for a party that didn't yet
>  > exist.  During 2003 antiwar demonstrations it was said that people
>  > crowded the registration tables four deep to sign up.
>  >
>  >    Ray said that continuing to run campaigns where we get 5% of the vote
>  > was just guaranteeing that we'll continue to be ineffective.  It seemed
>  > that few people wanted to hear that. 
> 
> 
> I wonder why.
> 
>  > It was nice to see a reunion
>  > amongst the old timers, people chattering excitedly.  But it reminded me
>  > of 9/11 Truth conventions where people go to have their dissenting
>  > beliefs reinforced by like-minded people.  I wonder if there's something
>  > cultish about continuing to convince each other that it's enough just to
>  > pull in a few thousand votes.  If we are to convince the mainstream that
>  > we are a viable alternative instead of a perennial protest vote, we need
>  > to convince ourselves of that first.
> 
> 
> Seems reasonable.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org <mailto:sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>  > Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:40:12 -0500
>  > From: alexcathy at aol.com <mailto:alexcathy at aol.com>
>  > Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a
>  > Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
>  >
>  > I'm surprised this e-list isn't crackling with news about the 20th
>  > Anniversary party up in Berkeley.
>  >
>  > How did it go?
>  >
>  > B.T.W. did anybody get any good pictures of Deacon Alexander?  I would
>  > like to post one on my blog.
>  >
>  >
>  > Alex
>  >
>  >
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From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Feb 10 08:10:20 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:10:20 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Proposal for a New Statewide Green Party
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Wed Feb 10 08:57:07 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:57:07 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Proposal for a New Statewide Green
 Party Registration Drive (1st Draft)]
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      A raffle or some other contest, as suggested below, might generate 
a few additional recruits, but I doubt if it would be enough for us to 
replace one of the two major parties in registrations and winning 
elections. 


      To grow, I think the Greens should support a variety of self-help 
initiatives:  Select hot-button issues, research them carefully, and 
organize a campaign (or combine with existing campaigns) to help people 
do something different. 


      My first target in this is "Just Say 'No' to Abusive Banks";  I 
have two one-page summaries of what I've done so far, which I 
distributed at the Feb. 3 meeting;  I can can send these to anyone who 
is interested.  I'm on the agenda to say more about this at the next 
Santa Clara Greens meeting, Wednesday March 3rd, 2010 
(http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/#Current%20Topics). 


      I've also registered "greenresearchwiki.org", which currently 
autoforwards to "prodsyse.com", but which I want to convert into a wiki 
to support the production of Green issue position papers, complete with 
references that cite the opposition's best arguments and provide 
evidence questioning their validity, similar to Wikipedia.  We could 
summarize these into brief handouts with pointers to 
"greenresearchwiki.org" for more information, inviting people to present 
contrary evidence, first as one- or two-page fliers, then as bookmarks, 
which I'm told are much easier to give away than an 8.5 x 11 sheet of 
paper or a tri-fold.  Franklin D. Roosevelt won in part on just this 
kind of position papers (called "Rainbow Fliers"), which helped "put 
ginger into workers", according to Mary Dewson, a lead organizer for 
FDR's campaigns (Bess Furman, 1949, Washington By-line, Knopf;  pp. 
229-230, 281-282). 


      Comments?     
      Best Wishes,
      Spencer


Wes Rolley wrote:
> Here is an interesting proposal about registration.  And, it has an aggressive 
> target, to essentially double GP registration to reach 250,000 by 2012 with 
> major steps along the way.
>
> The initial cost to is for the county to put some $$ into a contest.  I have 
> seen a note from David Cobb that says he would rather see County contribution 
> changed to personal contributions and that he would put up a share.
>
> I know that everyone is very busy on GA work, but this will come up as part of 
> budget discussions at the GA and we should be prepared to respond.  Personally, 
> I think it is a good idea.
>
> Wes
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Proposal for a New Statewide Green Party Registration Drive (1st Draft)
> Date: 	Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:15:13 EST
> From: 	Rioryon at aol.com
> To: 	june.brashares at gmail.com, whastings at earthlink.net, jared.laiti at gmail.com, 
> blkcloud at sonic.net, earthworks_works at yahoo.com, thebor at cagreens.org, 
> lisa at losangelesgreens.org, sanda at greens.org, barry at hermansons.com, 
> civillib at comcast.net, david at duhc.org, lindap_a at verizon.net, lwlaura at yahoo.com, 
> tnharter at aceweb.com, dan at votehamburg5.org, bill at iiipublishing.com, 
> dadcab at sbcglobal.net, marnie at greenchange.com, napagreens at aol.com, 
> dsilver at suddenlink.net, katetanaka at aol.com, funking at greens.org, 
> gregjan4 at yahoo.com, mfeinstein at feinstein.org, wrolley at charter.net, 
> jims at greens.org, wsb3attyca at aol.com, m_zehr at hotmail.com, truekahuna at comcast.net, 
> gincase at gmail.com, paul at deltagreens.org, gardenbeekeeper at yahoo.com, 
> timc2 at sbcglobal.net, cbrouillet at igc.org, davidquinley at aol.com, squehee at ucla.edu, 
> adrienne at monitor.net
>
>
>
> *Introduction*
> ** 
> Hello All,
>  
>     Many of you have already spoken with me about the general idea expressed in 
> the proposal below.
> Here is the first draft of a concrete proposal to increase Green Party 
> (GP) registrations.  Please review and consider the proposal as a way to reverse 
> our downward trend in GPCA membership, activism, donors and candidates. 
>     The activation of this proposal on a broad statewide basis, could have a 
> significant effect on targeted elections, overall party activism and 
> participation, and an increased flow of contributions.  And who knows at what 
> point we might reach a critical mass tipping point for significant change ?!
>     Your feedback, affirmations and concerns are welcomed.
>  
> Peace/Unity
>  
> tim smith
> Sonoma county
> rioryon at aol.com <mailto:rioryon at aol.com>
>  
>  
> ** 
> *Proposal for a New Statewide Green Party Registration Drive*
>  
>  
>     In a recent article in the San Francisco Bay Guardian, January 13, 2010, one 
> of the CA Green Party founders, SF Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi speaks to the need 
> for current GP members to return to the party-building days of the early 1990's...:
> <http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php 
> entry_id=9646&catid=&volume_id=452&iissue_id=467&volume_num=44&issue_num=15 
> <http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php%20entry_id=9646&catid=&volume_id=452&iissue_id=467&volume_num=44&issue_num=15>>
>     "Mirkarimi recalls the early party-building days when he and other  
> *'Ironing Board Cowboys'*  would canvas the city on Muni with voter registration 
> forms and ironing boards to recruit new members, activities that fell away as 
> the party achieved electoral successes and got involved with policy work.
>     'It distracted us from the basics,' Mirkarimi said. Now the Green Party has 
> to again show that it's capable of that kind of field work in support of a broad 
> array of campaigns and candidates: 'If I want to grow, there has to be a 
> companion strategy that will lift all boats.'"
>  
>     At the 20-year Anniversary of the California GP's founding, last Saturday, a 
> recurring theme was the comradery and esprit de corps that was built in the 
> 1990-1 campaign to qualify the GPCA for the ballot with a registration drive 
> that proliferated throughout the state.
>  
>     Now more than ever, with GPCA registration numbers slipping from a high of 
> 167,000 in 2003 to 111,000 in the last SoS report, GP activists need to return 
> to the streets, to register new voters and recruit new activists into the GPCA.
>  
>     And the *TIME IS RIPE* !  For instance, last week while riding my ironing 
> board at a couple different local corrals (grocery stores) i registered 16 new 
> Greens out of the 20 voters registered - and about 10 of those indicated an 
> interest in becoming involved with the GP.  While those numbers may be anecdotal 
> in nature, there are signs they are significant in potential scope.  They 
> indicate massive dissatisfaction amongst voters and citizens with the policies 
> of the Republican and Democrat corporatocracy.  Voters and citizens want peace, 
> health care reform, jobs and better wages for working people, adequate funding 
> for education, and environmental protection for the increasingly endangered 
> planet we live on.
>  
>     Voters and citizens are willing to make the change to a party that supports 
> those policies, by "voting" with their party registration, if we are willing to 
> approach them openly, while listening to their concerns.
>  
>     But let's face it, many Greens are already overwhelmed and over-burdened by 
> their individual workloads.  What is needed is a way to jump-start a new 
> registration drive - an incentive-based proposal to reverse the trend of 
> diminishing GP numbers, activists, donors and candidates.
>  
>     That is the purpose and goal of this Proposal : 
>  
>  
> *Ironing Board Cowgirls and Cowboys Ride Again*
> ** 
> The GP shall incentivize GP registrations from March 8, to May 23, (ie 75 days 
> between the March GPCA GA and the 15-day close of registrations before the June 
> Primary) with a 3-part series of prizes.
>  
> There shall be 3 categories of prizes.
>  
> 1) - One Category for the 5 counties with the highest percentage increase in 
> registration between the last SoS report and the May 15-day close.
>  
> 1st Prize :  $150 Clearinghouse credit
> 2nd Prize:  $125        "                "
> 3rd Prize:   $100        "                "
> 4th Prize:   $  75        "               "
> 5th Prize:   $  50        "               "
>  
> Total Cost :  $500
>  
> 2) - Another Category for non-professional activists (ie contestants in this 
> category may not be professional signature gatherers), including 5 cash prizes 
> for the highest number of registrations turned in between March 8th and May 
> 23rd.  Minimum total registered :  30.
>  
> Grand Prize  $400
> 1st Prize      $250
> 2nd Prize     $200
> 3rd Prize      $150
> 4th Prize      $100
>  
> Total Cost :  $1,100
>  
> [Note :  Individual Contestants shall receive a credit of one registration for 
> every contact name, phone number, and/or email address of new GP registrants 
> turned in to and checked by the county/regional contest administrator.  The new 
> GP registrant shall verify (by phone, email or in person) to the administrator 
> that he/she is interested in becoming active in the local GP, by A) attending a 
> meeting; B) receiving regular GP email communication; or C) donating at least $5 
> to the local or state GP organization.]
>  
>  
> 3) - The final Category is for Professional signature gatherers who are 
> registered Green for the June Primary.
> Note - there are literally hundreds of professional signature gatherers 
> currently working on statewide and local initiatives.  This is an enormous 
> resource of potential activists to tap into.  This Category of prizes is 
> designed to do that.
>        6 cash prizes for the highest number of registrations turned in between 
> March 8th and May 23rd.  Minimum total registered :  50.    
> Grand Prize  $500
> 1st Prize      $300
> 2nd Prize     $250
> 3rd Prize      $200
> 4th Prize      $150
> 5th Prize      $100
>  
> Total Cost :  $1,500
>
> [Note :  Individual Contestants shall receive a credit of one registration for 
> every contact name, phone number, and/or email address of new GP registrant 
> turned in to and checked by the county/regional contest administrator.  The new 
> GP registrant must verify to the administrator that he/she is interested in 
> becoming active in the local GP, by A) attending a meeting; B) receiving regular 
> GP email communication; or C) donating at least $5 to the local or state GP 
> organization.]
>  
> *Grand Total Cost :  $3,100*
>  
> *Goal :*  120,000 GPCA registrations by the SoS 15-day close report before the 
> June Primary.
>  
> *Funding :*  At least 20 counties shall be asked to contribute $100 - $200 and 
> there will be a request made for any balance needed from the GA in March.  The 
> GROW WG may also be able to contribute some funding.
>  
> *Administration of Contest :*  At least one GP member from each county or region 
> shall be appointed by the counties or regions to administer the contest in their 
> jurisdiction, to collect the registration forms (or copies), to keep track of 
> and to vet the contestants.
>  
> *Reminder :*  Individual Contestants shall receive a credit of one registration 
> for every contact name, phone number, and/or email address of new GP registrant 
> turned in to and checked by the county/regional contest administrator.  The new 
> GP registrant must verify to the administrator that he/she is interested in 
> becoming active in the local GP, by one of the following 3 activities, A) 
> attending a meeting; B) receiving regular GP email communication; or C) donating 
> at least $5 to the local or state GP organization.
>  
> *Notes :*  A) - If this proposal is successful, stemming and turning the 
> registration/activist/donor ebbtide, it could be employed again to support a 
> registration drive with a goal of 150,000 GP registrants, or more, for the June 
> to November election cycle.  And it is hoped and is altogether conceivable, that 
> we could set in motion an activist centered momentum, allowing us to reach a 
> quarter million - 250,000 GP registrants - by 2012 or earlier.
>              B) - tim smith shall not be eligible for any prizes.
>
> -- 
> "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
>  and you don't,
>  then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente
>
> Wes Rolley
> 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
> http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024
>
>   
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Thu Feb 11 01:50:25 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:50:25 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get
 aGood Picture of Deacon Alexander?
In-Reply-To: <434072.36248.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CC77379311A25D-575C-3577@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com><BAY140-W173C460F1367869DA33C159E500@phx.gbl><4B70CB67.3090407
	@earthlink.net> <434072.36248.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B73D2E1.6080304@aceweb.com>

If you want to gather signatures for Deacon Alexander or Duane Roberts,
I have the forms. I can email them to you or print them for you, your
choice.

Once it's full, just take it down to the ROV office. They will go over
it and log it into the system.

Donations? I have $10 somebody donated in that cup over there with WORLD
PEACE on it. Hopefully I'll remember to bring it to the next meeting to
put in the hat. I'm hoping they take my word for it I got the money from
a person. But then, he could have been a cleverly disguised cyborg or
something.

Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> Okay, we have four years. I would start tomorrow gathering signatures
> and donations, if I knew
> 1)where to get a signature sheet
> 2)how to file it when it's full
> 3) where to send donations (how do you keep track of them so you can
> prove you have $5 donations and not a couple of corporate donations?)
> I'm up for that kind of action. I'm perfectly happy to be a foot
> soldier. I don't want to take a class in how to run a campaign. I'm
> willing to bet there is somebody out there who can answer my simple
> questions. Well, why don't you?
> Caroline
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
> *To:* Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> *Sent:* Mon, February 8, 2010 6:41:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody
> Get a Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
> 
> 
> 
> Brian Good wrote:
> 
>>
> 
> 
> <clip>
> 
> 
>>
>>    I was disappointed that so many people abused the strategy session to
>> engage in long rambling reminiscences and I fell asleep twice during
>> that. 
> 
> 
> I did not attend.  The main reason I would have gone would have been
> for the strategy seesion.  Sounds like I did not miss much.
> 
> 
>> I'd had little sleep the night before, and because my car had
>> broken down on the trip up I stank of antifreeze, so I didn't feel very
>> sociable, and I didn't even think of bringing up my strategy issues:
>>
>>    1.  A public finance (Prop 15) campaign would be a great organizing
>> vehicle.  If we get just 15,000 $5 donations we get a million dollars to
>> run a professional Secretary of State campaign, just like a real party. 
>> If paid staffers choose to use their pay for political activities these
>> funds could be a real energizer for the party.  Since we have 111,000
>> registered Greens today, if we can't get the 15k donors in four years we
>> should just give up.
> 
> 
> Or change the org from political party to something else.
> 
> Good point.
> 
> 
>>
>>    2.  Campaign Finance reform.  The average congressional rep takes in
>> $1.5 million per election, and according to Lawrence Lessig, spends 40%
>> to 60% of her time raising that money which, because of gerrymandered
>> safe seats, they don't need.  Much of this money goes to the Democratic
>> party, and much is paid to consultants who get enormous sums with little
>> transparency.  Since fundraising success is a factor in gaining
>> committee chairmanships and other perks, Reps have to spend their time
>> as party fundraisers instead of solving our country's problems.  The
>> Dems suck.  We don't.
> 
> 
> I am not sure what your point is.  I assume that you are trying to
> argue for the need to work on campaign finance reform.  If so,
> I agree.  I expect to be working for Prop 15, and supporting
> the national Fair Elections effort.
> 
> 
>>
>>    It was great to hear the inspiring story of how in the early days
>> 79,000 people were persuaded to register for a party that didn't yet
>> exist.  During 2003 antiwar demonstrations it was said that people
>> crowded the registration tables four deep to sign up.
>>
>>    Ray said that continuing to run campaigns where we get 5% of the vote
>> was just guaranteeing that we'll continue to be ineffective.  It seemed
>> that few people wanted to hear that. 
> 
> 
> I wonder why.
> 
>> It was nice to see a reunion
>> amongst the old timers, people chattering excitedly.  But it reminded me
>> of 9/11 Truth conventions where people go to have their dissenting
>> beliefs reinforced by like-minded people.  I wonder if there's something
>> cultish about continuing to convince each other that it's enough just to
>> pull in a few thousand votes.  If we are to convince the mainstream that
>> we are a viable alternative instead of a perennial protest vote, we need
>> to convince ourselves of that first.
> 
> 
> Seems reasonable.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org <mailto:sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:40:12 -0500
>> From: alexcathy at aol.com <mailto:alexcathy at aol.com>
>> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody Get a
>> Good Picture of Deacon Alexander?
>>
>> I'm surprised this e-list isn't crackling with news about the 20th
>> Anniversary party up in Berkeley.
>>
>> How did it go?
>>
>> B.T.W. did anybody get any good pictures of Deacon Alexander?  I would
>> like to post one on my blog.
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
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-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest addition: San Jose peace center awards ceremony pictures.


From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu Feb 11 10:01:09 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:01:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Missing George Bush Yet?
Message-ID: <843707.7955.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





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Subject: Missing George Bush Yet?

Check out this article:

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/feb/11/george-bush-billboard>


Tom Keenan
408-358-6664
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Thu Feb 11 13:04:26 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:04:26 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] How Did Party in Berkeley Go? Anybody
 GetaGood Picture of Deacon Alexander?
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Yup, and you can see it along with everything else at:

http://tian.greens.org/GreenParty/California/20YearReunion/index.html

I also took a lot of pictures of ephemera, I'm still processing those
pictures. Also, if you were there and saw something to add to the
comments, please email it to me. I'll probably paste it into the page.
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest addition: San Jose peace center awards ceremony pictures.


From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Thu Feb 11 09:00:22 2010
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:00:22 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Letter to the Editor of the Milpitas Post
Message-ID: <003e01caab3b$ba3f2100$6801a8c0@INTERBIKE06>


Party of "NO"

Did Republican delays of health care reform help kill 8 Milpitas
residents in the past six months?  President Obama publicly stated his
plan to pass a bill through Congress by the end of August.
Unfortunately, Republicans are still stalling the process with
procedural maneuvers and filibusters.  During that time, approximately
23,000 people died due to lack of health care insurance - more than the
roughly 20,000 people who died in motor vehicle crashes.  So, whenever
the Post reports a Milpitas auto death, also think about the death of
someone without health care.

Folks who are tight financially - and who isn't these days? - tend to
put off visiting the doctor when something is wrong with their bodies.
All too often, that delay leads to worse problems and death.  If
Milpitas gets its full share of those extra deaths, we lost 8 neighbors
over the last six months.

Back in July 2009, Republican strategy and objective were succinctly
stated by South Carolina Senator Jim Demint: "If we're able to stop
Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."  Republicans
are seen as obstructionists, as the Party of "NO", because they worked
to earn the labels.

I believe that most registered Republicans in Milpitas and across the
country would reject a strategy to "break" the President.  So, isn't it
time for some of my fellow residents who are truly conservative to
publicly repudiate the strategy and tactics of the Congressional
Republicans?  As we have heard, "All that is necessary for evil to
triumph is for good men to do nothing."  So far, evil seems to be
winning.


Rob Means
1421 Yellowstone Avenue
Milpitas, CA  95035-6913
408-262-0420    rob.means at electric-bikes.com
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From alexcathy at aol.com  Fri Feb 12 07:15:11 2010
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:15:11 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Thanks to Tian Harter -- Finally,
	a Nice Snapshot of Deacon Alexander
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 Dear Green Friends, 

A shout out to ever-faithful Tian Harter of the Santa Clara County Greens for finally providing a nice photo of Deacon Alexander. 





Look!  He's even smiling.  As I said before, if I had a face like Morgan Freeman, I would not "hide it under a bushel." I mean, who wouldn't vote for Nelson Mandela for governor of California.  

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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri Feb 12 11:02:06 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:02:06 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Proposal for a New Statewide Green
 Party Registration Drive (1st Draft)]
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Feb. Green Notes;  unedited.  I did not hear anyone volunteer to prepare 
the agenda for March. 

TN Harter collecting signatures. 

Last night:  Laura Wells' campaign kick-off with Green incumbents;  see 
TN's web site.

Merriam Kathleen:  Jim Doyle's in the hospital with stomach problems.  
Is coming home but won't be here tonight.

Tom Donahue:  change.org:  constitutional amendment to ban corporate 
personhood.

Fred D.:

Dana St. George:

Jerry Grass:  Yes Fair Elections:  # 15.  Donna Edwards introduced a 
constitutional amendment to allow congress to regulate corporate 
campaign contributions.

Carolyn is back:

Werner Bloomberg:  Day of Remembrance:  Sun, Feb. 14, SJ Buddhist 
Church, 640 N. 5th St.


#########
Treasurer's report:

Regional rep:  Jim Doyle is not here.

Status of voter registration database:  Cameron is still waiting for Jim 
to do something.

Feb. 16 - Mar. 12:  to register with registrar of voters to run for 
Green Party County Council.  Duties:  Attend a at least one meeting each 
month to facilitate the local activities of the Green Party.  The job is 
what you make of it.  If someone wants the Green party to endorse 
something, the County Council discusses it and maybe brings it to the 
monthly meeting.

Tabling events:  Seeds have been delivered to Werner.  He will try to 
germinate them for Earth day.  Need at least 60 days to get seedlings. 
Carolyn has the suitcase with tabling supplies.  Needs help printing.  
Tom has his own button machine. Jim has the list of things we do every 
year.  TN has been going to the Farmers Market the past couple of 
weekends, gathering signatures.  He gets 2-3 signatures per hour, at 
least.  He needs at least 150 signatures plus a few extra to make sure 
they have 150 legitimate signatures.

Plenary:  March 6-7.

Table at library events:  watch the agendas.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT EVENT:  Late Feb.  soup, salad, deserts.  Invite 
student but don't count on it.  Postpone because of plenary & a party TN 
is planning.  February is out.

Andrea:  Another water-free environment by the Green Party ... "Lose the 
lawn" project to replace lawns with indigenous plants that use no water.

CARPOOLING TO CANDIDATE TRAINING IN BERKELEY:  Indicate offers and needs 
for rides on the email list.  And RSVP ASAP to help people plan for 
food.  All day noon - 8 PM.

COUNTY POLLING:  Werner:

1.  tax exemption for earthquake retrofitting from increasing property 
taxes.  3 votes yes, 1 no vote.

2.  Open Primary:  4 votes no.

3.  PG&E initiative:  2/3 vote for any community that wants their own 
utility:  4 no votes.

4.  Mercury insurance company initiative to allow insurance companies to 
gut consumer protections in setting automobile insurance rates.  4 no 
votes.

5.  pilot project for public financing of state campaigns:  
discriminates against minor parties.  3 yes, 1 abstention.

If on any of these, the county polling is unsuccessful, they will go to 
the plenary.

PLENARY PLANNING:  Jim:  everything seems to be moving fine.  We need 
volunteers for ...

FRONT DESK REGISTRATION TEAM:  Andrea.  colored dots on name badges. TN 
can make name badges ahead of time.
setup crew early Sat. AM:  United Way building.  We've rented two 
rooms:  a cafeteria + a meeting room. Andrea + Brian.

Opening ceremony:  Dana:  What's the theme?  something to lighten the 
mood.  Haiwaian (sp) ukelele (sp):  2-4 minutes tops.  first thing in 
the morning.  brainstorm later.

DELEGATES:  Werner & Jerry. Alternate:  Dana + Jim _____  + Tom (Sat. 
only) + Andrea ...
Try to recruit others via the email list.

Delegates' Issue review meeting:  Sun, Feb. 21:  in Werner's house, 2 - 
4 PM.

Petition gathering party at TN's in Mt. View near the end of the month.  
Probably Saturday, Feb. 27;  TN will try to get the room tomorrow.  else 
Su, Feb. 28.
Spencer present "Just  Say 'No" to Abusive Banks

  - create a committe to decide what to recommend re leaving Abusive Banks

  - are websites - dont have them here

  = probably a lot of public support

  - general agreement of Greens present to pursue this

  - Cameron says Peter Camejo had a group look into Green Party Credit 
Card,
    contact Katherine Cartier, Cameron will send email to Spencer

  -

Meeting is over at only 9:30. cls at greens.org

############

I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all.

The US pledge of allegiance is 9 words of commitment with 22 words of 
marketing hype.  The US has no substantive enemies other than ones we 
have earned by opposing liberty and justice for all.
-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567


#############################
Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> Hi Spencer,
> Weren't you taking the minutes at the February meeting? Could you please post them? I'd like to know who is making the agenda for the March meeting.
> Caroline
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
> To: Wes Rolley <wrolley at charter.net>
> Cc: Green Discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 8:57:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Proposal for a New Statewide Green Party Registration Drive (1st Draft)]
>
>       A raffle or some other contest, as suggested below, might generate 
> a few additional recruits, but I doubt if it would be enough for us to 
> replace one of the two major parties in registrations and winning 
> elections. 
>
>
>       To grow, I think the Greens should support a variety of self-help 
> initiatives:  Select hot-button issues, research them carefully, and 
> organize a campaign (or combine with existing campaigns) to help people 
> do something different. 
>
>
>       My first target in this is "Just Say 'No' to Abusive Banks";  I 
> have two one-page summaries of what I've done so far, which I 
> distributed at the Feb. 3 meeting;  I can can send these to anyone who 
> is interested.  I'm on the agenda to say more about this at the next 
> Santa Clara Greens meeting, Wednesday March 3rd, 2010 
> (http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/#Current%20Topics). 
>
>
>       I've also registered "greenresearchwiki.org", which currently 
> autoforwards to "prodsyse.com", but which I want to convert into a wiki 
> to support the production of Green issue position papers, complete with 
> references that cite the opposition's best arguments and provide 
> evidence questioning their validity, similar to Wikipedia.  We could 
> summarize these into brief handouts with pointers to 
> "greenresearchwiki.org" for more information, inviting people to present 
> contrary evidence, first as one- or two-page fliers, then as bookmarks, 
> which I'm told are much easier to give away than an 8.5 x 11 sheet of 
> paper or a tri-fold.  Franklin D. Roosevelt won in part on just this 
> kind of position papers (called "Rainbow Fliers"), which helped "put 
> ginger into workers", according to Mary Dewson, a lead organizer for 
> FDR's campaigns (Bess Furman, 1949, Washington By-line, Knopf;  pp. 
> 229-230, 281-282). 
>
>
>       Comments?    
>       Best Wishes,
>       Spencer
>
>
> Wes Rolley wrote:
>   
>> Here is an interesting proposal about registration.  And, it has an aggressive 
>> target, to essentially double GP registration to reach 250,000 by 2012 with 
>> major steps along the way.
>>
>> The initial cost to is for the county to put some $$ into a contest.  I have 
>> seen a note from David Cobb that says he would rather see County contribution 
>> changed to personal contributions and that he would put up a share.
>>
>> I know that everyone is very busy on GA work, but this will come up as part of 
>> budget discussions at the GA and we should be prepared to respond.  Personally, 
>> I think it is a good idea.
>>
>> Wes
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject:     Proposal for a New Statewide Green Party Registration Drive (1st Draft)
>> Date:     Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:15:13 EST
>> From:     Rioryon at aol.com
>> To:     june.brashares at gmail.com, whastings at earthlink.net, jared.laiti at gmail.com, 
>> blkcloud at sonic.net, earthworks_works at yahoo.com, thebor at cagreens.org, 
>> lisa at losangelesgreens.org, sanda at greens.org, barry at hermansons.com, 
>> civillib at comcast.net, david at duhc.org, lindap_a at verizon.net, lwlaura at yahoo.com, 
>> tnharter at aceweb.com, dan at votehamburg5.org, bill at iiipublishing.com, 
>> dadcab at sbcglobal.net, marnie at greenchange.com, napagreens at aol.com, 
>> dsilver at suddenlink.net, katetanaka at aol.com, funking at greens.org, 
>> gregjan4 at yahoo.com, mfeinstein at feinstein.org, wrolley at charter.net, 
>> jims at greens.org, wsb3attyca at aol.com, m_zehr at hotmail.com, truekahuna at comcast.net, 
>> gincase at gmail.com, paul at deltagreens.org, gardenbeekeeper at yahoo.com, 
>> timc2 at sbcglobal.net, cbrouillet at igc.org, davidquinley at aol.com, squehee at ucla.edu, 
>> adrienne at monitor.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *Introduction*
>> ** 
>> Hello All,
>>   
>>     Many of you have already spoken with me about the general idea expressed in 
>> the proposal below.
>> Here is the first draft of a concrete proposal to increase Green Party 
>> (GP) registrations.  Please review and consider the proposal as a way to reverse 
>> our downward trend in GPCA membership, activism, donors and candidates. 
>>     The activation of this proposal on a broad statewide basis, could have a 
>> significant effect on targeted elections, overall party activism and 
>> participation, and an increased flow of contributions.  And who knows at what 
>> point we might reach a critical mass tipping point for significant change ?!
>>     Your feedback, affirmations and concerns are welcomed.
>>   
>> Peace/Unity
>>   
>> tim smith
>> Sonoma county
>> rioryon at aol.com <mailto:rioryon at aol.com>
>>   
>>   
>> ** 
>> *Proposal for a New Statewide Green Party Registration Drive*
>>   
>>   
>>     In a recent article in the San Francisco Bay Guardian, January 13, 2010, one 
>> of the CA Green Party founders, SF Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi speaks to the need 
>> for current GP members to return to the party-building days of the early 1990's...:
>> <http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php 
>> entry_id=9646&catid=&volume_id=452&iissue_id=467&volume_num=44&issue_num=15 
>> <http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php%20entry_id=9646&catid=&volume_id=452&iissue_id=467&volume_num=44&issue_num=15>>
>>     "Mirkarimi recalls the early party-building days when he and other  
>> *'Ironing Board Cowboys'*  would canvas the city on Muni with voter registration 
>> forms and ironing boards to recruit new members, activities that fell away as 
>> the party achieved electoral successes and got involved with policy work.
>>     'It distracted us from the basics,' Mirkarimi said. Now the Green Party has 
>> to again show that it's capable of that kind of field work in support of a broad 
>> array of campaigns and candidates: 'If I want to grow, there has to be a 
>> companion strategy that will lift all boats.'"
>>   
>>     At the 20-year Anniversary of the California GP's founding, last Saturday, a 
>> recurring theme was the comradery and esprit de corps that was built in the 
>> 1990-1 campaign to qualify the GPCA for the ballot with a registration drive 
>> that proliferated throughout the state.
>>   
>>     Now more than ever, with GPCA registration numbers slipping from a high of 
>> 167,000 in 2003 to 111,000 in the last SoS report, GP activists need to return 
>> to the streets, to register new voters and recruit new activists into the GPCA.
>>   
>>     And the *TIME IS RIPE* !  For instance, last week while riding my ironing 
>> board at a couple different local corrals (grocery stores) i registered 16 new 
>> Greens out of the 20 voters registered - and about 10 of those indicated an 
>> interest in becoming involved with the GP.  While those numbers may be anecdotal 
>> in nature, there are signs they are significant in potential scope.  They 
>> indicate massive dissatisfaction amongst voters and citizens with the policies 
>> of the Republican and Democrat corporatocracy.  Voters and citizens want peace, 
>> health care reform, jobs and better wages for working people, adequate funding 
>> for education, and environmental protection for the increasingly endangered 
>> planet we live on.
>>   
>>     Voters and citizens are willing to make the change to a party that supports 
>> those policies, by "voting" with their party registration, if we are willing to 
>> approach them openly, while listening to their concerns.
>>   
>>     But let's face it, many Greens are already overwhelmed and over-burdened by 
>> their individual workloads.  What is needed is a way to jump-start a new 
>> registration drive - an incentive-based proposal to reverse the trend of 
>> diminishing GP numbers, activists, donors and candidates.
>>   
>>     That is the purpose and goal of this Proposal : 
>>   
>>   
>> *Ironing Board Cowgirls and Cowboys Ride Again*
>> ** 
>> The GP shall incentivize GP registrations from March 8, to May 23, (ie 75 days 
>> between the March GPCA GA and the 15-day close of registrations before the June 
>> Primary) with a 3-part series of prizes.
>>   
>> There shall be 3 categories of prizes.
>>   
>> 1) - One Category for the 5 counties with the highest percentage increase in 
>> registration between the last SoS report and the May 15-day close.
>>   
>> 1st Prize :  $150 Clearinghouse credit
>> 2nd Prize:  $125        "                "
>> 3rd Prize:  $100        "                "
>> 4th Prize:  $  75        "              "
>> 5th Prize:  $  50        "              "
>>   
>> Total Cost :  $500
>>   
>> 2) - Another Category for non-professional activists (ie contestants in this 
>> category may not be professional signature gatherers), including 5 cash prizes 
>> for the highest number of registrations turned in between March 8th and May 
>> 23rd.  Minimum total registered :  30.
>>   
>> Grand Prize  $400
>> 1st Prize      $250
>> 2nd Prize    $200
>> 3rd Prize      $150
>> 4th Prize      $100
>>   
>> Total Cost :  $1,100
>>   
>> [Note :  Individual Contestants shall receive a credit of one registration for 
>> every contact name, phone number, and/or email address of new GP registrants 
>> turned in to and checked by the county/regional contest administrator.  The new 
>> GP registrant shall verify (by phone, email or in person) to the administrator 
>> that he/she is interested in becoming active in the local GP, by A) attending a 
>> meeting; B) receiving regular GP email communication; or C) donating at least $5 
>> to the local or state GP organization.]
>>   
>>   
>> 3) - The final Category is for Professional signature gatherers who are 
>> registered Green for the June Primary.
>> Note - there are literally hundreds of professional signature gatherers 
>> currently working on statewide and local initiatives.  This is an enormous 
>> resource of potential activists to tap into.  This Category of prizes is 
>> designed to do that.
>>         6 cash prizes for the highest number of registrations turned in between 
>> March 8th and May 23rd.  Minimum total registered :  50.    
>> Grand Prize  $500
>> 1st Prize      $300
>> 2nd Prize    $250
>> 3rd Prize      $200
>> 4th Prize      $150
>> 5th Prize      $100
>>   
>> Total Cost :  $1,500
>>
>> [Note :  Individual Contestants shall receive a credit of one registration for 
>> every contact name, phone number, and/or email address of new GP registrant 
>> turned in to and checked by the county/regional contest administrator.  The new 
>> GP registrant must verify to the administrator that he/she is interested in 
>> becoming active in the local GP, by A) attending a meeting; B) receiving regular 
>> GP email communication; or C) donating at least $5 to the local or state GP 
>> organization.]
>>   
>> *Grand Total Cost :  $3,100*
>>   
>> *Goal :*  120,000 GPCA registrations by the SoS 15-day close report before the 
>> June Primary.
>>   
>> *Funding :*  At least 20 counties shall be asked to contribute $100 - $200 and 
>> there will be a request made for any balance needed from the GA in March.  The 
>> GROW WG may also be able to contribute some funding.
>>   
>> *Administration of Contest :*  At least one GP member from each county or region 
>> shall be appointed by the counties or regions to administer the contest in their 
>> jurisdiction, to collect the registration forms (or copies), to keep track of 
>> and to vet the contestants.
>>   
>> *Reminder :*  Individual Contestants shall receive a credit of one registration 
>> for every contact name, phone number, and/or email address of new GP registrant 
>> turned in to and checked by the county/regional contest administrator.  The new 
>> GP registrant must verify to the administrator that he/she is interested in 
>> becoming active in the local GP, by one of the following 3 activities, A) 
>> attending a meeting; B) receiving regular GP email communication; or C) donating 
>> at least $5 to the local or state GP organization.
>>   
>> *Notes :*  A) - If this proposal is successful, stemming and turning the 
>> registration/activist/donor ebbtide, it could be employed again to support a 
>> registration drive with a goal of 150,000 GP registrants, or more, for the June 
>> to November election cycle.  And it is hoped and is altogether conceivable, that 
>> we could set in motion an activist centered momentum, allowing us to reach a 
>> quarter million - 250,000 GP registrants - by 2012 or earlier.
>>               B) - tim smith shall not be eligible for any prizes.
>>
>> -- 
>> "Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
>>   and you don't,
>>   then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente
>>
>> Wes Rolley
>> 17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
>> http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024
>>
>>   
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>     
-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Feb 12 11:43:18 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:43:18 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Constitutional Convention
Message-ID: <4B75AF56.1090205@charter.net>

 From KQED's CapNotes.  

The "con con" campaign tried to present their $ woes earlier this week 
as not the final nail..but today's SF press conf seems 2 be it.

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 13 06:39:35 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:39:35 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "No Nukes"
Message-ID: <4B76B9A7.2040103@earthlink.net>


Ralph Nader explains why nuclear power plants do not
make sense, even when considering global warming.
And also how the U.S. governement is doing its usual
games around the issue.


"No Nukes"
      http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/13

Gerry




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 13 07:06:43 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:06:43 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Democracy for Humans!"
Message-ID: <4B76C003.70307@earthlink.net>


In this article, it recommends not voting for anyone
who accepts corporate money.  What a concept!

     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/13-5

At the end it says

==============

Scott McLarty is national media coordinator for the Green Party of the 
United States (http://www.gp.org), which does not accept corporate 
contributions.  He lives in Washington, DC.

==============


Gerry



From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Sat Feb 13 08:44:36 2010
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:44:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "No Nukes"
Message-ID: <20100213164436.9C04B6A94D@truffula.sj.ca.us>


I wish the well-meaning opponents of modern commercial nuclear
fission would just quit mentioning Chernobyl.
That case is only indirectly relevant, and it gives the
proponents an easy hook to hijack the conversation onto the
many differences between that disaster and the modern disaster.
Three Mile Island is a much more relevant case.

Chernobyl remains indirectly relevant because the scale of that
plant made its operators more politically powerful than the
public agencies that were supposed to be regulating them.
Which is the same here for the same reasons.
Projects as big and risky as nuke fission plants, and with
such a huge profit available to the operator who manages to
externalize his construction and waste disposal costs, just
punch a hole in the fabric of civil society.
That's the root of the problem with nuke fission power,
we don't know how to manage a project like that safely
and accountably under "the free enterprise system."
Of course fission power run properly would be so absurdly
expensive compared to any other way to make electric power
that it's out of the picture.

Enough alarm about the safety.  Focus on the enormous rip-off
that it takes to make fission power cost-effective.


-Cameron in San Jose


Gerry wrote
>Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:39:35 -0800
>From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US;
	>rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1
>To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "No Nukes"


>Ralph Nader explains why nuclear power plants do not
>make sense, even when considering global warming.
>And also how the U.S. governement is doing its usual
>games around the issue.


>"No Nukes"
      >http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/13

>Gerry



From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Feb 13 08:59:47 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:59:47 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "No Nukes"
In-Reply-To: <4B76B9A7.2040103@earthlink.net>
References: <4B76B9A7.2040103@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4B76DA83.2060300@charter.net>

It is a good thing that Nader has written on this subject. His comments 
do not normally address these issues... being mainly an anti-corporate 
polemic. His comments will, hopefully, pull more of his followers into 
the issue where their voices are needed.  Nothing otherwise new in this 
for most.  Lovins gets it from one view.  Joe Romm (Climate Progress 
blog - author of Hell and High Water.) has long pointed out that even 
with the federal government guarantees, nuclear plants are not being 
built because the big money lenders do not see it as profitable.

NOTE 1: Florida Green Party has long expressed the same concern.
http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=296

NOTE 2: See Sen. Barbara Boxer's position on nuclear energy.
http://neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com/2008/06/boxer-embraces-nuclear-power.html

Wes



Gerry Gras wrote:
> Ralph Nader explains why nuclear power plants do not
> make sense, even when considering global warming.
> And also how the U.S. governement is doing its usual
> games around the issue.
>
>
> "No Nukes"
>       http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/13
>
> Gerry
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>   


-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 13 15:54:29 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:54:29 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] raised $243,000 on Saturday
Message-ID: <4B773BB5.3090506@sbcglobal.net>

Here, an excerpt from the Huffington Post found at
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/will-perez-phd/obamas-message-to-undocum_b_451257.html
    ...
such as Illinois, where a student group, the Immigrant Youth Justice 
League,
raised $243,000 on Saturday to bring 10,000 marchers to Washington, DC
next month to lobby for immigration reform 
<http://progressillinois.com/posts/content/2010/02/02/dc-immigration-march-being-planned-we-wont-be-taken-granted>. 


A group to be emulated.



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 13 15:59:47 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:59:47 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Participation?  tabling?
Message-ID: <4B773CF3.1060501@sbcglobal.net>


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 From Fear to Friendship: Replacing the culture of despair, division and 
violence
with a culture of hope, inclusion and peace.

This convention is part of the AMV Foundation's ongoing global campaign
"The Miracle Movement of Peace and Friendship." We are walking on the path
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. paved for all of us to build an inclusive, 
peaceful and
beloved world. We are striving to create a culture of peace, acceptance, 
mutual
respect and harmony in our world.* *

* When: **Saturday, March 20, 2010**.
Where: **Muslim Community Association, 3003 Scott Blvd , Santa Clara , 
CA 95054**
Time: **Panel discussions 4:00 ? 5:30 PM. **
Main program: **5:30 to 9:00 PM**. *

* *Dr. Hatem Bazian, Professor at UC Berkeley will be the Master of 
Ceremony.
Congressman Michael Honda*, *Dr. Maher Hathout, Senior Advisor to the 
Muslim
Public Affairs Council, Pete McHugh, Vice Mayor, Milpitas , CA will be 
the featured speakers.

*Our parallel panel discussions will be on the following topics: *

* Building trust through multi-faith values.
* Demystifying the meaning of Jihad.
* Debunking the myths about Muslim women
*Interrupting prejudice.

*Tickets:* Advance purchase: $25.00 Students: $20.00 At the door: $35:00 
(Includes dinner
and panel discussions). For details of the convention program, printable 
flyer, speakers,
panelists and moderators bios please visit www.amuslimvoice.org 
<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103020382041&s=1009&e=0015EzMpWtjofe9Z5jKgKWh6iiO70rDff3ufXg0k2fLpDulGoB5r1hG5-nT4vE56MCzNLAT1iEeLf5zJWEeULaVp6NTzG4Ung6e2LSMz37DjOHKo8NC5taPqA==> 





From danasg at greens.org  Sat Feb 13 23:42:28 2010
From: danasg at greens.org (Dana St. George)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:42:28 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Endorsements for Laura Wells
Message-ID: <4B77A964.9030003@greens.org>

Hi Sosfers,

	The Laura Wells campaign wants to collect and list more endorsers.  If you endorse the 
campaign, please reply to this e-mail to be included in the list of endorsers.  I will 
forward the names I collect, or you can e-mail or talk to Greg Jan yourself at 
GregJan4 at yahoo.com.
	Let's help our gubernatorial candidate!  (Wouldn't it be wonderful to get her elected!)




Dana St. George



From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Feb 14 09:44:29 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:44:29 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Endorsements for Laura Wells
In-Reply-To: <4B77A964.9030003@greens.org>
References: <4B77A964.9030003@greens.org>
Message-ID: <4B78367D.1040503@charter.net>

Thanks, Dana, and for those who can do a bit more... please check 
Laura's web site and volunteer.

http://www.laurawells.org/get-involved.html

Wes

Dana St. George wrote:
> Hi Sosfers,
>
> 	The Laura Wells campaign wants to collect and list more endorsers.  If you endorse the 
> campaign, please reply to this e-mail to be included in the list of endorsers.  I will 
> forward the names I collect, or you can e-mail or talk to Greg Jan yourself at 
> GregJan4 at yahoo.com.
> 	Let's help our gubernatorial candidate!  (Wouldn't it be wonderful to get her elected!)
>
>
>
>
> Dana St. George
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>   


-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sun Feb 14 15:58:31 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:58:31 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Endorsements for Laura Wells
In-Reply-To: <4B77A964.9030003@greens.org>
References: <4B77A964.9030003@greens.org>
Message-ID: <4B788E27.8050906@aceweb.com>

Ummmm.... I think we should hold off on collective endorsments until the
voters speak in early June.

Dana St. George wrote:
> Hi Sosfers,
> 
> 	The Laura Wells campaign wants to collect and list more endorsers.  If you endorse the 
> campaign, please reply to this e-mail to be included in the list of endorsers.  I will 
> forward the names I collect, or you can e-mail or talk to Greg Jan yourself at 
> GregJan4 at yahoo.com.
> 	Let's help our gubernatorial candidate!  (Wouldn't it be wonderful to get her elected!)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dana St. George
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Twentieth Anniversary for the Green Party of California!


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 14 16:25:55 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:25:55 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW:  Endorsements for Laura Wells
In-Reply-To: <4B788E27.8050906@aceweb.com>
References: <4B77A964.9030003@greens.org>,<4B788E27.8050906@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W1670BC3197776D057E4DD59E4A0@phx.gbl>



Thanks, Tian -- My thoughts exactly, though I couldn't think of a tactful way to
say it.  I have been a Laura Wells fan since 2006 and I'm excited about the 
prospect of her candidacy, but Deacon Alexander is inspiring and he deserves 
consideration.

Brian


> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:58:31 -0800
> From: tnharter at aceweb.com
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Endorsements for Laura Wells
> 
> Ummmm.... I think we should hold off on collective endorsments until the
> voters speak in early June.
> 
> Dana St. George wrote:
> > Hi Sosfers,
> > 
> > 	The Laura Wells campaign wants to collect and list more endorsers.  If you endorse the 
> > campaign, please reply to this e-mail to be included in the list of endorsers.  I will 
> > forward the names I collect, or you can e-mail or talk to Greg Jan yourself at 
> > GregJan4 at yahoo.com.
> > 	Let's help our gubernatorial candidate!  (Wouldn't it be wonderful to get her elected!)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dana St. George
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest change: Twentieth Anniversary for the Green Party of California!
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From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Feb 14 18:11:45 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:11:45 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Endorsements for Laura Wells
Message-ID: <4B78AD61.8000900@charter.net>

Tian Harter wrote:
> Ummmm.... I think we should hold off on collective endorsments until the
> voters speak in early June.
>   
Collective endorsements... you are right.

Individual endorsements ... which is what I thought Dana was talking 
about... are a different thing.  I have already given my individual, 
personal endorsement to Laura.

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 14 18:16:49 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:16:49 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] My Fantastic 9/11 Truth Week
Message-ID: <BAY140-W2FE798E1E99578528F0379E4A0@phx.gbl>


































    Since some of the turds in the 9/11 Truth Koolaid are charming, skilled 
dissemblers, venomous, shameless liars, with powerful friends in the 
movement, and they tell tales truthers would very much like to believe, the 
work of fishing them out is sometimes bruising.   I am therefore happy to 
report two recent successes.

   William Rodriguez, the hero janitor who sued George Bush for planting 
bombs in the World Trade Center, had a great story.  Unfortunately it was 
implausible, uncorroborated, and suspiciously lacking in specifics.  Though 
Willie claimed he had single-handedly rescued 15 people, he never said 
where, when, or how he did it.  Not even in two hours on C-Span.  Just 
who he rescued was a secret.  When pressed for details he became 
belligerent, and he threatened to cancel his 2007 Grand Lake Theater 
appearance rather than answer my questions.  

  Willie told truthers all over the world he "saved hundreds" who were 
huddled behind locked fire exits waiting for Willie's "Key of Hope" to set 
them free.  Never mind that locked fire doors would have brought lawsuits 
and complaints to the media, and the man with the key would have been 
hailed by thousands.  That not one credible person will come forward to 
thank him for unlocking doors shows him for a liar, but truthers dazzled 
by Willie's smile and undeterred by lack of evidence pitched Willie's story 
all over the world to the press and to firefighters, careless of their own 
credibility.

  Lately I found statistical proof.  The National Institute of Standards (NIST)
report tells us that 99% of the 15,000 civilians on the 179 floors beneath 
the impact zones survived.  About 150 died, trapped in elevators or slow to
get down the stairs.  Willie unlocked doors on 39 floors.   If the people were 
locked in, 11,700 people would have died on the 140 floors Willie couldn't 
reach.  The man is a liar and he took $1400 in cash from the Grand Lake 
Theater audience under false pretenses.  He should return it.

   Citizen Investigation Team (CIT) claims the flight 77 airliner flew over, 
instead of into, the Pentagon.  The pointlessness of a flyover concerns its 
proponents not a whit.  Masters of the false dichotomy CIT seems persuasive 
the first 
time through the DVD, and truth movement leaders who should know 
better (including Dr. Peter Dale Scott) have endorsed their work.  As with 
Willie, it's only on the second viewing of the DVD that the story unravels, and 
again lack of supporting evidence cuts no ice with the true believers.  Also like 
Willie, these clowns are charming, articulate, and slick -- and when questioned 
they turn petulant and flee.  

  CIT has one eyewitness to its claimed flyover: a Pentagon police officer 
who reports an airliner flying over the south side parking lot.  The flight path 
he describes is impossible, but that and the fact that any such aircraft would 
have been seen by hundreds on eight-lane Interstate 395 as it flew over 
at 100 feet perturb CIT's supporters not at all.  But this will:  Reviewing CIT's
bogus claims about another of their witnesses, I realized he was standing on 
a hill over the south parking lot.  He didn't see the plane fly over.   Here's a 
picture from close to where he stood (the Pentagon is in the distance, the 
south wall visible toward the right, and any flyover plane would have flown 
from the smoke at the left to the right:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/Pentagon%20folder%202/ingersolnavyannex.jpg
The testimony of the witness (and CIT's lies about that testimony) can be 
seen here:  http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread350000/pg1


Fortunately Carol had the good sense not to step in that one.  So that's how the 
truther wars go:  Tiny triumphs after months or years of tedious tilting at viciously
lying lunatics.













  










 		 	   		  
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 14 18:16:49 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:16:49 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] My Fantastic 9/11 Truth Week
Message-ID: <BAY140-W2FE798E1E99578528F0379E4A0@phx.gbl>


































    Since some of the turds in the 9/11 Truth Koolaid are charming, skilled 
dissemblers, venomous, shameless liars, with powerful friends in the 
movement, and they tell tales truthers would very much like to believe, the 
work of fishing them out is sometimes bruising.   I am therefore happy to 
report two recent successes.

   William Rodriguez, the hero janitor who sued George Bush for planting 
bombs in the World Trade Center, had a great story.  Unfortunately it was 
implausible, uncorroborated, and suspiciously lacking in specifics.  Though 
Willie claimed he had single-handedly rescued 15 people, he never said 
where, when, or how he did it.  Not even in two hours on C-Span.  Just 
who he rescued was a secret.  When pressed for details he became 
belligerent, and he threatened to cancel his 2007 Grand Lake Theater 
appearance rather than answer my questions.  

  Willie told truthers all over the world he "saved hundreds" who were 
huddled behind locked fire exits waiting for Willie's "Key of Hope" to set 
them free.  Never mind that locked fire doors would have brought lawsuits 
and complaints to the media, and the man with the key would have been 
hailed by thousands.  That not one credible person will come forward to 
thank him for unlocking doors shows him for a liar, but truthers dazzled 
by Willie's smile and undeterred by lack of evidence pitched Willie's story 
all over the world to the press and to firefighters, careless of their own 
credibility.

  Lately I found statistical proof.  The National Institute of Standards (NIST)
report tells us that 99% of the 15,000 civilians on the 179 floors beneath 
the impact zones survived.  About 150 died, trapped in elevators or slow to
get down the stairs.  Willie unlocked doors on 39 floors.   If the people were 
locked in, 11,700 people would have died on the 140 floors Willie couldn't 
reach.  The man is a liar and he took $1400 in cash from the Grand Lake 
Theater audience under false pretenses.  He should return it.

   Citizen Investigation Team (CIT) claims the flight 77 airliner flew over, 
instead of into, the Pentagon.  The pointlessness of a flyover concerns its 
proponents not a whit.  Masters of the false dichotomy CIT seems persuasive 
the first 
time through the DVD, and truth movement leaders who should know 
better (including Dr. Peter Dale Scott) have endorsed their work.  As with 
Willie, it's only on the second viewing of the DVD that the story unravels, and 
again lack of supporting evidence cuts no ice with the true believers.  Also like 
Willie, these clowns are charming, articulate, and slick -- and when questioned 
they turn petulant and flee.  

  CIT has one eyewitness to its claimed flyover: a Pentagon police officer 
who reports an airliner flying over the south side parking lot.  The flight path 
he describes is impossible, but that and the fact that any such aircraft would 
have been seen by hundreds on eight-lane Interstate 395 as it flew over 
at 100 feet perturb CIT's supporters not at all.  But this will:  Reviewing CIT's
bogus claims about another of their witnesses, I realized he was standing on 
a hill over the south parking lot.  He didn't see the plane fly over.   Here's a 
picture from close to where he stood (the Pentagon is in the distance, the 
south wall visible toward the right, and any flyover plane would have flown 
from the smoke at the left to the right:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/Pentagon%20folder%202/ingersolnavyannex.jpg
The testimony of the witness (and CIT's lies about that testimony) can be 
seen here:  http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread350000/pg1


Fortunately Carol had the good sense not to step in that one.  So that's how the 
truther wars go:  Tiny triumphs after months or years of tedious tilting at viciously
lying lunatics.













  










 		 	   		  
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From jims at greens.org  Sun Feb 14 18:39:23 2010
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:39:23 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] FW:  Endorsements for Laura Wells
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W1670BC3197776D057E4DD59E4A0@phx.gbl>
References: <4B77A964.9030003@greens.org>, <4B788E27.8050906@aceweb.com>
	<BAY140-W1670BC3197776D057E4DD59E4A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B78B3DB.6040909@greens.org>

I agree with Brian and Tian. We have a contested Primary for Governor. I would 
like Greens to give due consideration to both candidates, not just the one 
with the most aggressive marketing team.

Jim



On 2/14/2010 4:25 PM, Brian Good wrote:
>
> Thanks, Tian -- My thoughts exactly, though I couldn't think of a
> tactful way to
> say it. I have been a Laura Wells fan since 2006 and I'm excited about the
> prospect of her candidacy, but Deacon Alexander is inspiring and he
> deserves
> consideration.
>
> Brian
>
>
>  > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:58:31 -0800
>  > From: tnharter at aceweb.com
>  > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>  > Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Endorsements for Laura Wells
>  >
>  > Ummmm.... I think we should hold off on collective endorsments until the
>  > voters speak in early June.
>  >
>  > Dana St. George wrote:
>  > > Hi Sosfers,
>  > >
>  > > The Laura Wells campaign wants to collect and list more endorsers.
> If you endorse the
>  > > campaign, please reply to this e-mail to be included in the list of
> endorsers. I will
>  > > forward the names I collect, or you can e-mail or talk to Greg Jan
> yourself at
>  > > GregJan4 at yahoo.com.
>  > > Let's help our gubernatorial candidate! (Wouldn't it be wonderful
> to get her elected!)
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Dana St. George
>  > >
>  > > _______________________________________________
>  > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>  > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>  > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>  > >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Tian
>  > http://tian.greens.org
>  > Latest change: Twentieth Anniversary for the Green Party of California!
>  > _______________________________________________
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From cbrouillet at igc.org  Sun Feb 14 20:06:08 2010
From: cbrouillet at igc.org (Carol Brouillet)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:06:08 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Disagreements
Message-ID: <E1NgsE6-000748-4K@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

While the Green Party embraces consensus, there are times when people 
agree to disagree and respect one another, despite their 
differences.  It is obvious that Brian Good and I strongly disagree 
about aspects of 9/11 Truth and members of the 9/11 Truth 
Movement.  He also strongly condemns my judgement and I strongly 
condemn/doubt his judgement.  He has been banned from the Northern 
California 9/11 Truth Alliance and our email list. His persistence in 
attending Green Party meetings and events has killed my desire to 
attend local meetings/events and vanquished my desire to run for 
Congress.  His unrelenting attacks upon William Rodriguez and Kevin 
Barrett, which I believe stem from a pathological jealousy based on 
sexual delusions about me continues to infuriate me.  Most people 
judging him solely upon his actions and behavior believe he is 
Cointelpro.  While I doubt if he is (especially since I know his mom 
and think I know him fairly well), his effect upon me and the truth 
movement is decidedly negative, and probably perfectly in alignment 
with the government's efforts to discredit and destroy the 
movement.  While I am somewhat accustomed to being attacked by the 
corporate media, I find it very difficult to tolerate amongst 
activist circles which I expect to work with cooperatively, and in a 
supportive environment.



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 14 21:35:44 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:35:44 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] GPCA CC rep applications
Message-ID: <4B78DD30.2030606@sbcglobal.net>

GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE

This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List.
For more information, or questions related to the topic of the posting,
please do not hit reply. Follow the contact directions stated in the email.

This announcement has been circulated on Jan. 19 and Feb 3.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

NOTE: This is a recruitment announcement for the Coordinating Committee 
of the
state party. Please circulate this message on lists in your county that 
reach
potential candidates.

All applications will be posted online. We will circulate an updated 
list of
candidates two weeks before the meeting on Mar. 6-7.

The extended deadline for applications is Feb. 20.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Applicants are needed for the ?new? restructured Coordinating Committee
(CC) for the GPCA. Because of the events in Washington and Sacramento,
this is an extraordinary time for Greens to be organizing and carrying
our message to voters. Anyone who wishes to help build the Green Party
is encouraged to apply.

The Coordinating Committee is responsible for coordinating state party
meetings, facilitating internal communications and performing other
administrative tasks such as: implementing policies adopted by the
General Assembly, conducting party business between the state meetings,
and coordinating the other standing committees and working groups of the
state party. Committee members are responsible for participating in a
monthly teleconference (the first Monday of each month from 7:30 to 9:30
p.m.). You will also be asked to serve on one of our committees.

Following the March Plenary, an on-line election will be held for 14 new
At-Large Representatives for the CC. They will serve alongside 12
Regional Representatives. The members of the CC serve for staggered
two-year terms. Because this election will be for all 14 At-Large
Representatives, 7 will be elected to a one-year term and 7 for a
two-year term.

To apply:

Send a brief bio to the Plenary Agenda Team (agenda-team at cagreens.org 
<mailto:agenda-team at cagreens.org>)
by January 29th so it can be included in the packet that is distributed
before the March Plenary. In your bio, please tells us briefly about
your work within the Green Party and what you would like to work on as a
member of the CC.

You should also plan to attend the Plenary (March 6th and 7th) in San
Jose and be prepared to give a 1 to 2 minute statement to delegates why you
should be elected to serve on the CC.

If you have any questions, please contact:

Barry Hermanson
Co-chair of the Coordinating Committee
GPCA
barry at hermansons.com <mailto:barry at hermansons.com>
415-664-7754

_______________________________________________


From WB4D23 at aol.com  Mon Feb 15 15:39:37 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:39:37 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Plenary Agenda Packet Review Meeting This Sunday
	Feb 21st 2-4 PM
Message-ID: <1762e.349ddc8.38ab3539@aol.com>

AGENDA PACKET REVIEW MEETING 
THIS SUNDAY FEBRUARY 21, 2010  2-4  PM  
867 NORTH FIFTH STREET, SAN JOSE, CA
 
At our February 3rd GPSCC general meeting, we agreed to hold  our usual 
agenda packet review meeting at my house on Sunday, February 21st  2:00-4:00 
pm.  At that meeting, I volunteered to be a delegate, and others  agreed to be 
alternates.   There are still positions for Delegates  open.  
 
If you plan to be either a Delegate or an Alternate, you are  expected to 
attend this meeting.  The Agenda Packet is available via   the agenda link at 
cagreens.org/plenary.  If you do not have the user name  and password, 
contact a County Council member or other GPSCC activist by  telephone to obtain 
that information (which is NOT provided by email).  
 
We will report our agreements or disagreements at the March  3rd GPSCC 
meeting for decision making about instructions to our Delegates for  the March 
6-7th Plenary.
 
Directions to 867 North Fifth Street (between Mission and  Hedding Streets 
in San Jose)  -- One story white stucco house
 
Highway 101 (or Highway 880) to First Street exit south;  South on First 
Street; East (left -- across lightrail tracks -- toward  hills) on Hedding 
Street; South (right) on Fifth Street
 
Highway 87 to Taylor Street exit; east on Taylor Street,  across lightrail 
tracks to Fifth Street; turn north/left; proceed about 1  1/2 blocks; house 
on left
 
>From Civic Center Lightrail hub (near County Building):   Exit at the 
Mission Street cross walk east; walk or bike east to Fifth Street,  turn north to 
house up the block
 
Bus Routes:  Line 66 has a northbound stop at 5th and  Hedding streets and 
a southbound stop at 4th and Hedding; Routes 61 and 62 have  stops at the 
Civic Center Lightrail hub and at 4th and Taylor  streets
 
For Questions and RSVPs (please!!!) call Warner at (408)  295-9353
 
 
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue Feb 16 11:13:31 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:13:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] agenda
Message-ID: <64121.36846.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Apparently no one signed up to do the agenda for the March Green meeting. If someone did and I missed it, please speak up, otherwise I guess I'll do it. In which case, please send agenda items.
Caroline
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From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Feb 16 19:03:59 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:03:59 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Morgan Hill Community Gardern
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 16 23:04:27 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:04:27 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Disagreements
Message-ID: <BAY140-W169A844BE6A8B7F356E8689E480@phx.gbl>











   Carol, I doubt I'm alone in believing your post below unworthy of you.  
Your heap of irrelevancies can't disguise its failure to address any of my 
points.  It indulges also in dark and baseless speculations about my 
motives and even my thoughts.  Given irrefutable proof that William 
Rodriguez's 9/11 hero story is a lie, you respond by claiming I'm 
pathologically jealous and advancing the principle that exposing obvious 
9/11 con artists somehow discredits the truth movement.  Why would 
you provide a "supportive environment" to blatant frauds?  Whatever 
the easy rationalizations, cover-ups corrupt the movement and our
leadership and allow liars to trample our precious credibility. 

   You have been running, hiding, and shrinking from our disagreements 
ever since I warned you about Willie in 2006 and Barrett in 2007.  
Subsequent events only confirmed my early observations, but I'll 
resist the temptation to mount an "open letter" soapbox about our 
conflicts, as it would ill serve our audience and it would be destructive 
to you.  

  One sign of progress is that you did not repeat the lying charges against 
me from one of your broadsides in the past, nor the lies you've allowed 
your con-artist friends to circulate about me.  Do you get it now, Carol?  
Lies are quicksand.  Flailing only sinks you deeper.  When you're ready, 
I'll throw you a rope. You'll find me understanding, forgiving, and supportive 
when you're back on dry land.

 B
  
 




> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:06:08 -0800
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> From: cbrouillet at igc.org
> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Disagreements
> 
> While the Green Party embraces consensus, there are times when people 
> agree to disagree and respect one another, despite their 
> differences.  It is obvious that Brian Good and I strongly disagree 
> about aspects of 9/11 Truth and members of the 9/11 Truth 
> Movement.  He also strongly condemns my judgement and I strongly 
> condemn/doubt his judgement.  He has been banned from the Northern 
> California 9/11 Truth Alliance and our email list. His persistence in 
> attending Green Party meetings and events has killed my desire to 
> attend local meetings/events and vanquished my desire to run for 
> Congress.  His unrelenting attacks upon William Rodriguez and Kevin 
> Barrett, which I believe stem from a pathological jealousy based on 
> sexual delusions about me continues to infuriate me.  Most people 
> judging him solely upon his actions and behavior believe he is 
> Cointelpro.  While I doubt if he is (especially since I know his mom 
> and think I know him fairly well), his effect upon me and the truth 
> movement is decidedly negative, and probably perfectly in alignment 
> with the government's efforts to discredit and destroy the 
> movement.  While I am somewhat accustomed to being attacked by the 
> corporate media, I find it very difficult to tolerate amongst 
> activist circles which I expect to work with cooperatively, and in a 
> supportive environment.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
 		 	   		  
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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Wed Feb 17 11:27:21 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:27:21 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Draft Agenda for March 3rd GPSCC General Meeting
	(3rd Wednesday)
Message-ID: <ff73.5caf22bc.38ad9d19@aol.com>

 
GREEN  PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY 
Draft  Agenda for Monthly General Membership Meeting March 3,  2010 
San  Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose,  CA 
(Near  7th and San Fernando)  
6:30  pm ? Eat and chat 
7:30  pm ? Begin meeting 
Select  Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, and Vibeswatcher(s), Select 
Agenda Preparer  for next meeting (5 Minutes)   
Introductions  and Announcements ? Collect signatures for County Council 
candidates? petitions  (15 Minutes) 
Treasurer?s  Report (5 Minutes)  
Review:  Regional Rep and Bylaws and Consensus  Process ? Jim Doyle  ( 5  
Minutes) 
Report(s)  on who are County Council candidates; Recruit volunteers to help 
gather  signatures before March 12th filing deadline  (10 Minutes)  
Review  upcoming tabling events (see list below); Report on status of 
tabling materials  and supplies; Designation of coordinators and volunteers for 
soonest events (15  Minutes) 
Update  on plans for next Food for Thought event  (5 Minutes)  
Reports  from Berkeley February 6th GPCA 20th Anniversary and  candidates 
training event (5 minutes) 
Plenary  Planning Reports:  Identification of  volunteers and recruit 
additional volunteers for hosting tasks.  Report on status of registrations and  
local hosts.  Other related  items.   (15 Minutes)  
Recruit  and finalize Delegates and Alternates to March 6-7, 2010 Plenary 
(County Council  member must report by email to Agenda Team by 11:59 pm 
tonight!!!)  (10 Minutes) 
Plenary  Agenda Instructions to Delegates -- Warner Bloomberg (30 Minutes) 
Reports from  February 21st Agenda Review meeting.  Decision making (4 votes 
for each item).  Detailed descriptions of Plenary  Agenda can be found via 
cagreens.org/plenary and clicking the Agenda link.  Read or download the 
pdf.  
Report  from Downtown Hospital Organizers ? Jim Doyle (5 Minutes) 
Continuation  of discussion of bank abuse response project (redirecting 
deposits campaign) ?  Spencer Graves (10) Minutes  
(2  Hours 15 Minutes Estimated Cumulative Times.  Goal:  Adjourn by 9:45  
pm) 
Tabling Events  Addenda ? Needed for each item (not necessarily all at this 
 meeting): 
Confirm date and  location; Approval of fee payment (as applicable); 
Designation of coordinator(s)  and other volunteers 
Next Junior  Statesmen meeting ? March or when?  Santa Clara Convention 
Center? 
Earth Day events  in April at San Jose State University, Santa Clara 
University, and  elsewhere 
Berryessa Arts  and Wine Festival (Saturday before Mother?s Day ? need 
discussion about clear  scheduling of volunteers, set-up and take-down) 
Juneteenth  Festival 
America Festival  (July 4th weekend; not held last year) 
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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Wed Feb 17 11:34:43 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:34:43 EST
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Request for CC response to list abuse: [was re
	Disagreements]
Message-ID: <10376.74ed8718.38ad9ed3@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/16/2010 11:04:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
snug.bug at hotmail.com writes:


Carol, I doubt I'm alone in believing your post below  unworthy of you.  
Your heap of  irrelevancies can't disguise its failure to address any of my 
 
points.  It indulges also  in dark and baseless speculations about my 
motives and even my thoughts.  Given irrefutable  proof that William 
Rodriguez's 9/11 hero story is a lie, you respond by claiming I'm  
pathologically jealous and  advancing the principle that exposing obvious 
9/11 con artists  somehow discredits the truth  movement.  Why would 
you provide a "supportive environment" to blatant  frauds?  Whatever 
the easy rationalizations, cover-ups corrupt the movement and our
leadership  and allow liars to trample our  precious credibility. 

You have been running, hiding, and  shrinking from our disagreements 
ever since I warned you  about Willie in 2006 and Barrett in 2007.  
Subsequent events only confirmed my early observations, but I'll  
resist the temptation to mount an "open letter"  soapbox about our 
conflicts, as it would ill serve our audience  and it would be destructive 
to  you.  

One sign of progress is that you did not repeat the lying  charges against 
me from one of your broadsides in the past, nor  the lies you've allowed 
your con-artist friends  to circulate about me.  Do you get it now, Carol?  
Lies are quicksand.  Flailing only sinks you deeper.  When  you're ready, 
I'll throw you a rope. You'll find me  understanding, forgiving, and 
supportive 
when you're back on dry  land.

B



I am requesting that the County Coucil review the ongoing  emails by Brian 
where he brings personal attacks to this email list that have  nothing to do 
with Green Party business, that involve his personal sense of  injury over 
events that happened years ago, and after he has been  personally requested 
to stop.  This is just plain disrespectful to  everybody else on this email 
list.  Warner
 
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From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Feb 17 13:51:57 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:51:57 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] [Fwd: Morgan Hill's Greenbelt and Farmlands]
Message-ID: <4B7C64FD.30802@charter.net>

For those list members in South County

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Morgan Hill's Greenbelt and Farmlands
Date: 	Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:49:49 -0800 (PST)
From: 	Thrive! Morgan Hill <thrivemh at verizon.net>
To: 	wrolley at charter.net



Dear Mr. Rolley,

You may be aware of the Public Workshop taking place tomorrow evening 
(Thurs., Feb. 18 at 7 p.m. at the Community and Cultural Center) 
regarding the future of Morgan Hill's greenbelt and farmlands.  The 
decisions  concerning the greenbelt and farmlands will be the most 
important and enduring this City Council will make in the name of our 
community. To allow for development to eventually replace most of the 
remaining farmlands located in the south of Morgan Hill (east of Hwy 101 
to Maple Ave.), an area which serves as our greenbelt border with San 
Martin, will have long-term irrevocable consequences.

Thrive! Morgan Hill believes we must carefully manage these remaining 
lands to avoid the fate of so many other cities in Santa Clara County 
that have lost their greenbelt borders and farmlands to development.  
Thrive! Morgan Hill is a local group of residents that supports balanced 
choices for our city to ensure its long-term sustainability. Our mission 
is to work constructively with the wide array of Morgan Hill community 
interests to find solutions to some of the challenges facing our city. 
We favor options that balance the environment, economy, and community. 

For more information on our group, you can visit our website at:

http://www.thrivemorganhill.org/


For further information on the Workshop, you can view the City's Public 
Notice at:

http://www.morganhill.ca.gov/DocumentView.aspx?DID=3297


We need your support in reminding City Council that farmlands and the 
greenbelt are an important
part of the city?s future - not just ours, but those of many future 
generations to come.  We hope you will be able to attend this very 
important meeting.

Regards,
Julie Hutcheson
Thrive! Morgan Hill

-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Feb 17 23:56:26 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:56:26 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Veggielution opens their farm stand in Emma
	Prusch Park!
Message-ID: <4B7CF2AA.7020506@aceweb.com>

http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/Veggielution/OpeningDay2010.html
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: 20th Anniversary of Electronic Frontier Foundation @ DNA!


From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Feb 18 08:00:47 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:00:47 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Veggielution opens their farm stand in Emma
 Prusch Park!
In-Reply-To: <4B7CF2AA.7020506@aceweb.com>
References: <4B7CF2AA.7020506@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <4B7D642F.4010707@charter.net>

All of the fruit trees at Emma Prusch Park are maintained by the 
California Rare Fruit Growers. They are a wonderful resource and 
examples of the range of fruits that grow in Silicon Valley.

Tian Harter wrote:
> http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/Veggielution/OpeningDay2010.html
>   


-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed Feb 17 09:17:42 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:17:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Ecocities Emerging - February 2010 Issue
Message-ID: <611065.20488.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So are we hooked up with all these people? Do we have anybody going to the Ecocities conference? Do they have some literature we can use for tabling?
Caroline



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu>
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 8:04:58 AM
Subject: Ecocities Emerging - February 2010 Issue


Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:21:04 -0500
>From: kirstin at ecocitybuilders.org
>Subject: Ecocities Emerging - February 2010 Issue
>
>
>Link to webpage version of this newsletter http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs072/1100594 
>Ecocities Emerging
>To support humanity's transition into the Ecozoic Era
>Ecocity Builders 
>February 2010
>
>Greetings,
>?
>Welcome to the February 2010 edition of Ecocities Emerging, an initiative of Ecocity Builders and the International Ecocity Conference Series.
>?
>As the consequences of climate change and resource depletion manifest themselves more and more clearly, the way we have built our cities, particularly in the past half-century, has come into question.
>?
>While many in city planning circles use the term "ecocity" interchangeably with "green" or "sustainable" city, Ecocity Builders uses a definition of "ecocity" conditional upon a healthy relationship of the city's parts and functions, similar to the relationship of organs in living complex organisms. We believe "ecocities" need to take healthy organic, ecological and whole systems lessons seriously to be able to reverse the negative impacts of climate change. A set of principles, standards, and metrics, as well as good models demonstrating ecocity elements is vital in bringing clarity regarding the definition of an "ecocity".
>?
>To that end, in partnership with our international network of ecocity colleagues and associates, Ecocity Builders is launching the International Ecocity Standards (IES) project to define "ecocities" by developing a set of standards, criteria and metrics against which to evaluate and guide new and existing cities' progress towards becoming an "ecocity." International Ecocity Standards will evaluate different scales of development, from the small neighborhood scale to the regional scale. Similar to LEED green building standards, the Ecocity Standards will rate urban development at various levels of attainment.
>?
>The first exploratory meeting of the IES will take place on February 20th in Vancouver, Canada, and will include representatives from Ecocity Builders, City of Vancouver, British Columbia Institute of Technology, University of British Columbia, One Earth Initiative, Simon Fraser University, Urban Ecology Center of Montreal, University of Quebec at Montreal, Novatek, Urban Resource Systems, the Cascadia Region Green Building Council, Gaining Ground, and the British Columbia Real Estate Foundation. Our timeline will be rigorous, with steady work on the project leading to a public unveiling of our progress at Ecocity World Summit 2011, The Ninth International Ecocity Conference, Montreal, Canada. Please look for our continued updates and reports on progress towards our goal.
>?
>Recent studies in evolutionary biology point out that it is collaboration and synergy rather than competition that provides species with an evolutionary advantage. Our species is now facing a dire situation requiring a gigantic conscious step forward. For our own survival, must quickly and collectively create new models for the way we build and live on this planet. Only by working together can we successfully transform our civilization and purposefully emerge from the Cenozoic period into the Ecozoic Era. This is our task, our purpose, at this moment.
>
>Thank you for all that you are doing to help accelerate progress toward a civilization in balance with living systems. 
>
>?
>Sincerely,
>
>
> 
>
>Kirstin Miller
>Executive Director, Ecocity Builders
>339 15th Street, Suite 208
>Oakland CA 94612 USA 
>www.ecocitybuilders.org
>
> 
>Keeper of the International Ecocity Conference Series
>
>ECOCITY MEDIA
>Posts, projects and people
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>The Ecozoic Era refers to a vision, first promoted by cosmologist Thomas Berry, of an emerging epoch when humanity lives in a mutually enriching relationship with the larger community of life on Earth. 
>
>Will we be able to make the transition in time to retain a biosphere healthy enough to regenerate living systems now under extreme stress? Our role in exploring ecocities is to clarify a vision of cities that can. And then go out and build them. There is no way to be certain we will succeed, but our position is that there's no time to just sit around and wonder about it: now is time for action. 
>
>Maybe one day all cities will be ecocities.
>
>Announcement 
>
> 
>
>
>Ecocity Builders, along with our advisors and partner organizations, is working to define "ecocities" by developing of a set of standards, criteria and metrics against which to evaluate and guide new and existing cities' progress towards becoming an "ecocity." International Ecocity Standards will evaluate different scales of development, from the small neighborhood scale to the regional scale. Similar to LEED green building standards, International Ecocity Standards will rate urban development at various levels of attainment.
>
>What's Unique about Ecocity Standards
>
>Bioregional/ecological indicators
>We propose that urban systems, cities, have the potential to become not just less damaging but "net contributors" to restoring global biodiversity, productive agriculture, and energy independence. International Ecocity Standards will measure net energy and materials input/output, appropriate locations, and impact of external trade and will be selected in a way to address basic principles of ecologically healthy whole systems design.
>
>Emphasis on the whole system and "end-point" indicators
>An ecologically healthy city is in many ways analogous to complex living systems, like our human bodies. Ecocities are lean and compact, with their complex parts interacting three-dimensionally and in relatively close proximity. International Ecocity Standards integrate means of judging the functionality of the whole system as well as "end-point" positive measures such as clean air, energy conservation, biodiversity? restoration, and agricultural productivity. This emphasis shifts the focus from judging the individual building - subject of most design and construction standards to date - to assessing the whole built community while continuing to acknowledge the importance of the building itself.
>
>Access to minimum basic needs 
>International Ecocity Standards distinguish between amenities? and necessities, and incorporate "plain good and solid" indicators of urban health, such as those used by the United Nations' Human Development Index including poverty rates, food and water security, infant mortality, longevity, and basic literacy.
>
>Social justice
>Programs and policies that promote social justice will be evaluated, such as the distribution of health, wealth and consumption. International Ecocity Standards will deeply re-consider the meanings of "prosperity" to include both human and natural wealth.
>
>Target Users
>International Ecocity Standards (IES) will be targeted towards local governments, municipalities, regional agencies in charge of development strategies including transportation, land use, housing, watershed management, agriculture, resource management, and regional development goals. Additionally, larger governmental bodies and organizations, including the United Nations, and countries developing long-range strategies to address climate change, would be potential customers. We expect that developers, environmental nonprofits, think tanks, educational institutions and community groups would want to use the IES as a tool for developing and evaluating proposals and seeking approvals for proposals. Community groups and advocacy and watchdog organizations would likely use the IES to weigh in on development proposals and planning/political processes, and help shape them from an advocacy perspective. Finally, we believe that the IES could be useful to any one
 person or organization wanting to build awareness and partnerships around complex issues within the nexus of humanity, nature and the built environment.
>
>Collaboration & Synergy vs. Competition
>We see collaboration and synergy as opposed to competition as the course we will pursue in developing the International Ecocity Standards. We will learn and incorporate as many of the principles expressed by other related standards and become synergistic with them where possible. We are inspired and will consider collaboration and synergies with The Living Building Challenge initiative, the Ecological Performance Standards for Cities being developed by HoK and the Biomimicry Guild, The Natural Step methodology for the Sustainable Canadian City Index and the like.
>
>For more information contact:
>Kirstin Miller
>Executive Director, Ecocity Builders 
>Kirstin at ecocitybuilders.org
>http://www.ecocitybuilders.org 
>Ecocity Builders is a United Nations accredited NGO and IRS certified tax-deductible non-profit corporation
>
>Climate Action Plans Must Lead with Land Use Basics
>Ignoring basic land use patterns is ignoring social justice and access to the city
>by Richard Register, Ecocity Builders 
>
>This article is based on notes taken by Richard for AC Transit Board Member Chris Peeples following a breakout session they both attended at a local conference on clean energy and cities.
>
>Chris, thanks for the tip on the 1913 Oakland plan that looked so much like an ecocity plan - derailed, figuratively and literally, by the car and sprawl. And some day I'd like to talk with you about why rail (besides initial high capital outlay) in the form of streetcars was dropped from consideration in the early 1990s by ACTransit, or so I understand, perhaps incorrectly.
>
>My contribution to the debate in our breakout session at the recent Clean Power, Healthy Communities conference in Oakland was that city and regional climate action plans need to adopt the equivalent of what we in Ecocity Builders call "ecocity mapping". Ecocity Mapping describes how centers-destined density-diversity shifting maps can helpfully guide the gradual opening up of urban landscapes to provide close-in agriculture, restored natural features, parks expansion, urban orchards and other necessities of an ecologically healthy city. Over time, neighborhood centers, larger district centers and the downtown add increasingly fine grained and more balanced development that works with walking, bicycling and transit. 
>
> 
>Illustration showing the concept of Ecocity Mapping for Oakland...the darker circles indicate pedestrian oriented "urban villages" emerging and the lighter and green areas show areas returning to agriculture, open space and natural habitat corridors. 
>
>It was pointed out by someone in the breakout group that we will have to be very careful that such city reshaping does not work against the poor, or minorities, promote gentrification, or give all the benefit to well-off people. I didn't get the opportunity to follow up during the meeting unfortunately, but I need to emphasize strongly that indeed yes, the mapping and implementation should begin with the communities who are at the most risk. In fact Ecocity Builders' work on the approach has been focused in West Oakland in one of the city's lowest income neighborhoods. And we're getting really good results together by the way!
>
>This work as been funded to date by the Bay Area Air Quality District under their regional Climate Protection grant program. From the "bottoms up" community planning combined with the "top down" mapping and evaluation methods we've found something that's working. Likewise, Climate Action Plans could adopt ecocity mapping - and begin dealing with shifting development from the low densities created by the automobile to densities that support pedestrians, bicycles and transit and dealing with ecocity design from layout of infrastructure to architecture and the green technologies that fit, from city climate action plans all the way up to UN climate conferences. 
>
>I also pointed out the enormous social justice benefit in reshaping cities so people don't even have to buy a car and spend in the range in the US of $7,000 to $12,000 a year on its associated expenses. If you multiply those numbers by the number of low-income people you get an absolutely enormous financial benefit. You can empower a whole community. Furthermore, if the higher density areas were made car-free by contract, few wealthy people would likely move into such neighborhoods, keeping the housing costs down. (The elite are very used to owning cars, can easily afford cars and are by habit particularly dependent upon them.) Car-free by contract housing also lowers the cost of construction of the buildings because building parking is expensive, especially interior parking. Fair pass through of revenue from rents or payments, then, would mean rents and payment lowered 15% to 20% from direct infrastructure savings (indirect savings would be the city's,
 not having to spend as much to support cars in the many ways they do).
>
>The basic danger with ignoring major land use changes to deal with energy and climate problems is not just that Americans - and progressively ever more people around the world, notably in China and India - are addicted to car habits and mind-sets but also that the alliance of labor and activists from the energy and environmental communities are playing the game of keeping the same old destructive product list going: cars, scattered development spreading the city out over vast areas, millions of tons and acres of paving poured every year and a demand thus created for massive energy flows from whatever source people come up with.
>
>What organized labor should be doing, instead of promoting electric cars and expensive solar voltaics to scattered single family housing for better off people who can afford it, is planning on another three Rs: Remissioning, Retooling and Retraining to build the ecocity and all its components. The first step is understanding that density and diversity, apartment style buildings (including lower cost condos) and bikes and streetcars are the product list we need and they should get behind this NOW. 
>
>The Oakland Oil Independent Oakland 2020 Task Force and other meetings before and since, covering more than 5 years in Oakland forums, have pointed out that the list of green collar jobs would be many times as long, going way beyond installing expensive solar electric panels, if they embraced ecocity mapping and its related infrastructure. Typical iron workers would have green jobs if what they were building downtown were added housing in ecocity design, to balance the heavy imbalance in employment there. Normal carpenters adding mixed use buildings of increasing density in the right residential neighborhood centers would have green jobs too. 
>
>I show slides of this in my talks I've taken with me in the last year - to China four times, Korea, Canada twice, Israel, Turkey, Singapore, Brazil, South Carolina, Chicago and next Korea again, Spain, New York, and Massachusetts. I use a picture of the Good News Caf?? on 17th Street near Lake Merritt around the corner from my apartment because everyone who works there has a green job they can be proud of because they serve people in a center where we have everything we need within a short walk. (Everyone who has the same kind of caf?? job where people arrive by car at a gigantic parking lot does not have a green job.) In addition we in Ecocity Builders recycle their coffee grounds into a compost system and into the soil our urban orchard and creek daylighting project, but that's the icing on the cake. The real deal is that the land use and urban infrastructure works for people who create very greatly reduced demand for energy and climate changing
 practices across a wide spectrum of activities, including jobs when facilities are created in the right place.
>
>I close these notes with the reminder that discussion of this idea - of inserting ecocity mapping into Climate Actions Plans is a powerful and very specific proposal that addresses the nature and quantity of green jobs, effectiveness of Climate Action Plans in getting energy demand radically reduced and provides a very major leadership opportunity for anyone early in adopting it. 
>?
>Unfortunately there was no follow up discussion about the approach at the breakout session and we ran out of time for the meeting. Too bad. We can't afford to have Climate Action Plans ignore ecocity mapping and basic equitable structure of the city. 
>
>Richard Register is President of Ecocity Builders.
>
>Ecocity Builders is a member of the Local Clean Energy Alliance. For more information or to join, visit the LCEA website. 
>Car Free Journey
>by Steve Atlas
>
> 
>Here in Baltimore, we are in the middle of a snowstorm. I'm told that we are setting a record. A time like this makes you slow down, relax, stay home and spend time with your loved ones. Even our dogs have slowed down; our Australian shepherd revels in the nearly three feet of snow in our back yard. But, when the blizzard is over, we wish we didn't have to get back in the car and return to our frantic routines. But there is no alternative to driving...or is there?
>
>It does little good to tell people they should get out of their cars, and walk, bike, or take transit unless this is realistic as part of their daily lives.
>
>An important first step is to help people understand the value of public transportation, and dispel the myths about transit being too expensive and unrealistic. Rick Risemberg sent me a link to a great article that all of us should read-and give to our elected officials. Best of all, it is written by conservatives. It is called 12 Anti-Transit Myths: a Conservative Critique. Read this-and keep it on hand as a reference. It's that good. Here is the link:? http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/weyrich3.pdf.
>
>Do you like to ski? Here are a few places you can enjoy without driving:
>?
>Read on
>Join Ecocity Builders!
>
> 
>Kirstin Miller, Executive Director, in Huaibei, China
>
>Join us and help rebuild cities in balance with nature. 
>
>Ecocity Builders and our network of members - 
>	* Pioneer ecological concepts in urban transportation, landscape design, policy, and planning 
>	* Engage with communities, government, and industry leaders in designing thriving neighborhoods 
>	* Convene movers and shakers in urban and regional planning and community building at our International Ecocity Conference Ecocity Builders nurtures great visions for healthier cities - for people and nature alike - and provides practical tools for building them. We are a nonprofit organization, and donations are tax-deductible. All levels receive a subscription to the newsletter, special invitations to meetings and events, updates and more.
>
>Ecocity Builders is seeking interns. If you live in the San Francisco Bay Area and have 5-10 hours a week of time you would like to contribute to our efforts consistently, please let us know. We are looking for interns to assist with our various local and international projects and initiatives. We are a small office with a lot going on; we work quickly and as efficiently as possible. Ideal interns are self sufficient and capable, good communicators and flexible. If you are interested in joining us, please send us an email with your hours of availability, your areas of expertise and your contact information. Some of the expertise we're looking for includes: organizing and facilitating a lecture series, researcher for our standards project, secretarial and project assistance, grant writing and research, planning assistance for our events and fund raisers, design work, web development. Please send your inquiries to Kirstin Miller:
 kirstin at ecocitybuilders.org.
>
>CLICK HERE TO JOIN 
>
> 
>
>
>
>Strawberry Creek Plaza
>Ecocity Builders' local project update
>
> Our proposal for Center Street has enjoyed two and a half years of intense public process - multiple meetings with stakeholders, the public, commission reviews, city council presentation, articles in newspapers and magazines, key policy decisions, thousands of dollars on feasibility studies and design work by paid for by the City and private citizens. 
>
>So the question at this point is: after many years of processes, dollars spent and over two years of focused planning, will Berkeley's City Council now commit to some action?
>
>Stay tuned as we move forward towards our goal = moving out of process and on to results. Follow the project on Facebook at Citizens for a Strawberry Creek Plaza please become a fan!
>
>Ecocity Builders' Heart of the City project page
>
>More Center Street designs from Walter Hood/HOOD Design here.
>
>Read the recent article in the San Francisco Chronicle about the proposal via Planetizen here.
>
>Order Strawberry Creek at Center Street by HOOD Design and Ecocity Builders here.
>
>?
>"The problem is the present design of cities only a few stories high, stretching outward in unwieldy sprawl for miles. As a result of their sprawl, they literally transform the earth, turn farms into parking lots and waste enormous amounts of time and energy transporting people, goods and services over their expanses. My solution is urban implosion rather than explosion." 
>-Paolo Soleri 
>
>www.arcosanti.com
>
> 
>Paolo Soleri
>
>
>An interview with Ecocity Builders' Richard Register will be part of an upcoming film on the life and work of Paolo Soleri. 
>
>Click here to see the film teaser. 
>
>The Power of Nearness 
>by Sven Eberlein
>Published 2/7/2010 on Daily Kos - Greenroots
>
>City planners aren't usually on the list of people we associate with paradigm-shifting embers of wisdom. Spiritual leaders, artists, and philosophers - yes - they have sparked our collective imagination and shaped the course of society throughout history. While Be the change you wish to see in the world and I have a Dream will forever be guiding lights in our journey through a complex and often confusing world, it's clear that each generation brings with it the need for new symbols and archetypes in response to the struggles of its time.
>
>It was at last December's Ecocity World Summit in Istanbul that I thought I'd heard a concept expressed that reflects and encompasses so much of the millennial Zeitgeist, as a theme to embrace as well as aspire to: The Power of Nearness
>
>It's slowly but surely seeping into our collective consciousness that the road to reversing climate change leads through cities. Cities cover less than 1% of the earth's surface but are responsible for up to 75% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions. With almost 60% of the world's population and growing living in cities it is high time to inspire new story lines that shift our attention to the built environment.
>
>While Ecocity 2009 presented a wide range of nuts and bolts programs and strategies by planners and policy makers from around the world, the most hopeful moments came whenever speakers were able to connect their planning ideas not only with why it's so important to rethink our cities but to the idea that high density living is about more than just reducing carbon: If designed right, cities can connect us back to nature, to each other, to our shared humanity.
>
>For three days I was busy listening to speakers, facilitating breakout sessions, and interviewing visionaries. After reading through my notes and listening to my transcripts I realized there's no way I could do justice to all the compelling voices and ideas espoused at the conference in one diary. Instead, I'll be sprinkling this smorgasbord of urban foresight from Istanbul throughout various posts in the coming weeks and months. But what better way to start than with Brent Toderian, Director of Planning for the City of Vancouver, Canada, who not only gave us a great unifying theme to wrap our minds around but showed how to transform a strong vision into bold and concrete action.? 
>
>THE POWER OF NEARNESS
>Brent Toderian knows about the power of bold thinking and changing conventional wisdom as he's been instrumental in implementing the Vancouver EcoDensity initiative recently adopted by his city. EcoDensity is a Charter that commits the City of Vancouver and its citizens to address change more proactively and adapt the city and its way of life to meet the challenges we all face. Based on the premise that strategically located, sustainability designed density can reduce the city's ecological footprint while making Vancouver more livable and affordable, Toderian said that they are now reviewing every existing rule in their planning department in order to identify possible carbon reductions.
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>This theme resonated so strongly with me because it compresses the complexity of the global ecological crisis into one powerful truth: There's nothing to fear from living closer to one another; just the opposite - we can and will gain from it. It's like the Yes We Can of climate change, impressing upon people that cities don't have to be the drab and noisy concrete jungles branded into our collective consciousness from a century of unimaginative city planning. It is up to a new generation of planners and architects to change this prevailing perception by showing that healthy cities are living, breathing ecosystems. Inverting the transportation pyramid as we currently know it is the structural cornerstone for creating that mental shift, and Mr. Toderian laid it out in very simple terms.
>
>DENSITY DONE WELL
>Density done well is the key to livability/sustainability, and an integral part of this philosophy is to prioritize your transportation infrastructure in the following order: 
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> 
>1. Walking; 
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>2. Cycling; 
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>3. Public Transit; 
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> 
>4. Cars.
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>One of the big hurdles not only in making our cities more livable but addressing a whole range of ecological problems including climate change is an economic system that is based on perpetual growth and lack of accountability for "externalities." You know you're living on borrowed time and wealth when things like resource depletion, loss of biodiversity, and toxic emissions are not proportionally factored into your economic equation. While the concept of "We don't let the market dictate our planning" sounds like a Bolshevik plot to free-market fetishists south of the border, it was refreshing to hear an English-speaking decision maker utter these words as if he was ordering eggs for breakfast.???? 
>
> ???? 
>Brent Toderian, Director of Planning, Vancouver Canada
>
>DON'T LET THE MARKET DICTATE PLANNING
>"We don't let the market dictate our planning," says Toderian, a strategy that enables the city to pour money into the kind of projects that make urban living desirable, like public art and cultural facilities. By encouraging candid, city-wide dialogue around an evolving urbanism, with bold opportunities around sustainability, creativity and architectural risk taking, Vancouver really sets an example for other car-centric North American cities on how to engage their residents in the process of enacting the structural change that is needed to transition into a low-carbon economy and experience the power of nearness.? 
>
>The way to think about it is that the market is like a toddler: He wants everything and he wants it now. The idea of a "free" market is like letting your toddler do as he wishes: Pull twenty books from the shelf, eat a pound of candy, run into the street. But we all know that just to survive the toddler needs basic supervision. If we want him to keep his teeth and grow up to be a healthy adult, we have to feed him vegetables even though he wants candy. And leaving everything sprawled out on the floor eventually hampers everyone's creativity because you're wasting energy digging through the chaos.
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>Or to put it into a city planning context:
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>What's going to encourage more innovation and creativity? -- urban sprawl and tract housing development enabled by free market forces based on mid-20th century ideals and economic models, or a vibrant and verdant inner city driven by plans that put community, the arts, and long-term economic/ecological health before short-term profits?
>
>What I love about Vancouver's model is that it combines the strengths of the market with the strengths of good planning and basic ecological principles. It recognizes that building a dense urban ecosystem that appeals to our basic human instincts of wanting to connect with nature and with each other is an automatic boost to small business and local commerce. Rather than presenting ecological elements in city planning as sacrifices or restrictions, this forward-thinking approach transcends old ideological battle lines by showing how rich and fulfilling city life can be when vital services and cultural offerings are within walking or biking distance.
>
>While each city has its own unique geographic, social and political challenges, the appeal to our most basic human needs and joys is a universal and unifying principle in our endeavor to transition to a low carbon world. On the surface, the Power of Nearness is a more relevant literal motto for a sprawling North American metropolis like Vancouver than dense and overpopulated megacities like Mumbai or Istanbul. But on a more visceral level I found it to be the perfect rallying cry to connect ecocity advocates from all over the globe: From Auckland to Freiburg, from Kathmandu to Rio, from Seoul to San Francisco, it was clear to everyone present in Istanbul that the ways in which we manage to live close to each other will determine our resilience and ability to adapt to dwindling natural resources and climate change.
>
>Author: Sven Eberlein
>Website: http://svenworld.wordpress.com
>Email: evolve (at) tubercreations (dot) com
>
>Author bio: Originally from Germany I've been a US citizen since May 10, 2005. I'm a writer, musician, ecologist, free spirit, and planter of seeds. Rebel to the core, but believe strongly in changing the world through kindness and understanding.
> 
>
>
>SAVE THE DATE! 
>August 22-26, 2011
>Palais des congr??s de Montr??al, Canada
>
>The ???rst Ecocity World Summit
>held in a northern climate city
>
>DES DATES ?? RETENIR ! 
>Du 22 au 26 ao??t 2011
>
>Website
>Assessing Past and Future
>- by Richard Register
> ?
>
>Well, I'm two thirds of a century old now and just returned from my introspective and extrospective (if that's a word) visit to my children and grandchildren in New Mexico where I grew up. I've been on this "ecocity" path since I was 21, which makes it approximately 45 years. I mean by that ever since I met Paolo Soleri and he pointed out the problem with cars and the solutions in the compact, three dimensional - not flat - complex living organisms we call the city. The ecological city was a way to make the most beautiful, sculpture-like homes for our communities I could think of and rich environments for everybody else too, meaning the other life forms. Like gravity, the notion seemed overwhelmingly obvious. 
>?
>Autobiography?!
>Meantime, 2010, my current partner in everything ecocity Kirstin Miller says, "You should really write your autobiography -? an artist right in the middle of the peace movement, back to the land, beats, hippies, environmentalist, solar energy pioneers... Lots of fascinating stories." Sounds awfully self-indulgent was my first reaction. Who'd be interested? was my second reaction considering how difficult it has been trying to get most of my ideas across. But people do tend to be more interested in lives than ideas... As I thought about it, you might say internal reminiscing, it began to sound like fun. Kirstin pressed on saying people would be interested in the people I'd met and my comments on them: Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Jim Morrison among them. Specialists among readers would be interested in Jonas Salk, Jaime Lerner, Mario Molina, met more recently, who saved the world. Considering the current crisis in the macro-issues I've been involved with, from
 cities smudging out thousands of species and changing the planet's climate to their rapid draw down of fossil fuels and metals ores, soils, fish aquifers... Should I take a long time off from direct engagement with our Ecocity Builders issues? Kirstin was convinced I'd have a better chance communicating via personal experience.
>
>Mine was a more than a little pleasurable life style in the worlds of arts and low-income luxury at the only ghetto by the sea on the West Coast, Venice, California. I could easily make rent at my storefront studio - $50 -with a rent party once every month or two. One block counted as an extremely short walk to sand, sea, sun and sensuality. Beautiful sunsets, midnight strolls with breakers rolling in half a block from the last of the Beatnik coffeehouses with poets droning on, dark glasses and bongo drums. In some premonition of a later life, I built a big wooden container on the roof of what would now be called my storefront "loft" or "work-live unit" and lifted buckets of dirt up to my mini rooftop garden where, with small olive tree, flowers and carpet swatch laid out, I entertained some of those gorgeous young ladies with bare feet and only recently gone shapely bodies, applying sun tan lotion whether needed or not.
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>Read on!
>
>
>Principal Features of an Ecocity
>http://www.ecocityprojects.net/
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>?
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From alexcathy at aol.com  Thu Feb 18 15:23:08 2010
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:23:08 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Meet Nachum Shifren,
	Republican Candidate for SD 26 in Los Angeles
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 My Dear Green Friends, 

You don't have to go to the other side of the world to find outright fascists.  

I live in a predominantly African-American neighborhood close toWindsor Hills in California's 26th State Senate District.  My districtincludes these communities: 

Part of the City of Los Angeles, all of Culver City and the communitiesof Baldwin Hills, Baldwin Vista, Beverlywood, Carthay Circle, CenturyCity, the Crenshaw District, Hancock Park, Hollywood, Hyde Park,Jefferson Park, Ladera Heights, Lafayette Square, Larchmont, LeimertPark, Los Feliz, Miracle Mile, South Central Los Angeles, View Park,West Los Angeles and Windsor Hills, among others.

I know Paul and Yael, the leaders of our local group, the Committee to End Israeli Apartheid, live in my district in Culver City, because Ifirst met them while collecting signatures from registered Greens formy campaign in the special election last spring. 

Now, dear friends, Meet Nachum Shifren, Republican Candidate for SD 26: 

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Posted on www.loonwatch.com. 

Rabbi Nachum Shifren is a West Bank Settler, a teacher in the Los Angeles educational system and a surfer. 

"...he opted to reside in Kfar Tapuah, a West Bank settlement perched ahalf-hour from the 'lousy' Mediterranean surf. Kfar Tapuah isconsidered an extremely militant, right-wing, anti-governmentstronghold. 'I?d compare its residents to white militants in the UnitedStates,' says Hagit Yaari, an Israeli spokesperson for Americans forPeace."

Kfar Tapuah is the settlement where Israeli police recently arrested anremorseless extremist Jewish settler who was killing Palestinians. NowRabbi Shifren is running to be a State Senator in California and whathe is saying doesn?t reflect the peaceful rhythms of the Ocean butinstead reflects a hateful ideologue filled with bigotry against Islam.I haven?t investigated his past statements thoroughly but there is noneed to waste time to find his views, his most recent article sums itup quite directly.

Shifren writes on a recent student protest at UC Irvine where 11students were arrested for protesting the visit of Israel?s Ambassadorto America, Michael Oren on the grounds that he represents a governmentwhich perpetrates ?war crimes, violates international law, andsubjugates and oppresses Palestinians.? Shifren believes that they willget off too lightly and he wants them jailed and expelled from theuniversity.

In an article he penned, "Cal. Senatorial Candidate Responds to Muslim Hooliganism" (http://www.newswithviews.com/Shifren/nachum108.htm),Rabbi Shifren writes that the protesters weren?t just "rude, anddisrespectful students" but they "are the front line of an army ofMuslims that is waiting patiently to take over and subvert our country."

These students weren?t just protesters but according to Rabbi Shifrenare "Muslim terrorists-in-training," who are "breeding" like crazy onour university campuses. . .

ORIGINAL URL:  http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/02/rabbi-nachum-shifren-rides-the-wave-of-islamophobia/

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I am not making this up (you can't make this stuff up).  Check out Mr. Shifren's official web site: 

http://www.rabbiforsenate.com/ 

On there he has posted an essay titled: 

Multiculturalism Will Bring Us Our Next 9-11



". . .Since the 60's, our schools have been not only dumbed down, but as a result, we have become a "nation at risk." . . .

You'd never know it as you romp through the hallways of our schools. It's business as usual as our "teachers' churn out texts and agendas that bash America, Whites, Christians, and anything that smacks of the uniqueness of America, hard work, delayed gratification, honor to our military, sanctity of marriage, accentuating the accomplishments of the individual and rewarding such.

. . .

 We have a president whose disdain for America is not lost on our students. Before Obama, it was hard to tell a class why we had to say the pledge of allegiance. And now? Hatred and contempt for America grows daily in our schools. There is one area where solidarity and signs of support grows daily, however. Gays, lesbians, cross-dressers, and other deviates are in full swing, with gay-day parades AT TAXPAYERS' EXPENSE. "Jim and John" books are read to our kindergarten students to glorify and desensitize homosexual stigmas. There is not one high school in Southern California that doesn't have a Gay Student Union, with an enthusiastic list of sponsors. The balkanization and blurring of American unity is in full swing with Latino Club, African American Club, Japanese Club, Korean Club; one club YOU WON'T SEE IS WHITE, CHRISTIAN AMERICA CLUB. . ." 



On the front page of his web site, Mr. Shifren claims he has been endorsed by U.S. Congressmen Dana Rohrabacher and Tom McClintock, L.A. County Supervisor Mike Antonovich, and State Assemblyman Chuck DeVore.  

Mind you, this is the same Establishment crowd that says independent Greens, Libertarians, Peace & Freedom Party members, or tea-baggers simply beyond the pale and that I should not be fooling around with the Green Party because if I have a grievance with the Democrats I have the "choice" of voting for this guy to represent my family in the California state legislature.  

* * * 

Many times I have said that if we want to change the world, we must notneglect taking care of business here.  Don't worry. Mr. Shifren willnot be elected a state senator.  He'll probably get the usual 10% ofthe vote for Republicans in my neighborhood.  

But even so, think about it.  Just by being the Republican Partycandidate for a prominent office, this sick wingnut will get a seat atthe candidate debates; be interviewed on radio; and get quoted in theLos Angeles Times.  In other words, his "message" will probably beheard by many more people than the few hundred that read this e-list.  

The view of Chemerinsky and Shifren that the UCI 11 protests was somekind of horrible terrorist crime is sheer nonsense.  The FirstAmendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of the press,freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and the right to peacefullypetition the government.  To be sure, it is not an absolute right.  Youcannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You cannot physically assaultsomebody and call it "speech."  If you get up and heckle somebody in apublic meeting, you are within your rights.  Yes, they can throw youout of the meeting because they, too, have the right to freelyassemble.  But heckling the bastard is still within your rights.   

Unfortunately, my fellow Americans have a bad habit of forgetting the"freedom" we supposedly hold so dear.  That's why local people mustcounter fascist creeps like Nachum Shifren.  


Alex Walker 
Los Angeles Greens  





 

 
 


 
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu Feb 18 15:33:50 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:33:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: 80% of Americans oppose the Supremes'
	Citizens United ruling (Yahoo Newsroom)
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> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:04:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: 80% of Americans oppose the Supremes' Citizens United ruling (Yahoo Newsroom)
> 
> 
> Left and right united in opposition to controversial SCOTUS decision
> 
> Yahoo Newsroom, February 17, 2010
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1137
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> 
> Much has been made of late about the hyper-partisan political environment in America. On Tuesday, Sen. Evan Bayh explained his surprising recent decision to leave the Senate by lamenting a "dysfunctional" political system riddled with "brain-dead partisanship."? It seems you'd be hard-pressed to get Republicans and Democrats inside and outside of Washington to agree on anything these days, that if one party publicly stated its intention to add a "puppies are adorable" declaration to its platform, that the other party would immediately launch a series of anti-puppy advertisements.
> 
> But it appears that one issue does unite Americans across the political spectrum.
> 
> A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that the vast majority of Americans are vehemently opposed to a recent Supreme Court ruling that opens the door for corporations, labor unions, and other organizations to spend money directly from their general funds to influence campaigns.
> 
> As noted by the Post's Dan Eggen, the poll's findings show "remarkably strong agreement" across the board, with roughly 80% of Americans saying that they're against the Court's 5-4 decision. Even more remarkable may be that opposition by Republicans, Democrats, and Independents were all near the same 80% opposition range. Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of Republicans opposed it. In short, "everyone hates" the ruling.
> 
> The poll's findings could enhance the possibility of getting a broad range of support behind a movement in Congress to pass legislation that would offset the Court's decision. Of those polled, 72% said they supported congressional action to reverse its effects. Sen. Charles Schumer, who's leading the reform effort in the Senate, told the Post that he hoped to get "strong and quick bi-partisan support" behind a bill that "passes constitutional muster but will still effectively limit the influence of special interests."
> 
> The findings of the poll are a bit surprising considering the fact that the case split the Supreme Court, with the five conservative justices in favor and the four more liberal justices against it. The decision was almost universally hailed by Republicans in Washington, who saw it as a victory for the free speech provided for under the Constitution, while President Obama and prominent Democrats in Washington almost universally derided it as a dark day for American democracy.
> 
> However, Sen. John McCain, one of the original sponsors of the campaign finance law struck down by Court's decision and one of its few prominent Republican opponents, may have been prophetic when he predicted Americans would turn against the Court. McCain told CBS's "Face the Nation" that there would be a "backlash" once awareness grew about "the amounts of union and corporate money that's going to go into political campaigns."
> Perhaps the new poll numbers show that McCain might have been onto something.
> 
> -- Brett Michael Dykes is a contributor to the Yahoo! News blog
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From alexcathy at aol.com  Fri Feb 19 07:34:59 2010
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:34:59 -0500
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Meet Nachum Shifren,
	Republican Candidate for SD 26 in Los Angeles
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 In response to my post, Gerry Gras wrote: 

 

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Hmm is this any worse than the original George Wallace, 
Strom thurmond, Jesse Helms, etcetera? 
 
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I am glad you asked that question, Gerry.  As a matter of fact, I think he is worse.  

I grew up in the South, and I'm afraid some well-meaning people are... prejudiced against Southerners.  For a half century, even on the Far Left, we've operated as if there is nothing worst than an old Southern White "Kraka" in hoods and sheets.  Truth is, even in the "Bad Old days" the whole South was not Alabama or Mississippi.  This wild rhetoric we've heard in California for more than a decade about "illegal aliens invading our country" is every bit as ugly as anything I ever heard back in 1950s Virginia. 

Strom Thurmond and George Wallace never insinuated that "minorities" were actually running the country.  They viewed the civil rights movement as "Communist inspired" and supported by hypocritical Yankee politicians courting black votes in cities like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

One of the weird things about political extremists is their tendency to imitate their worst extremist enemies.  Thus, "Rabbi" Shifren's "rap" about multiculturalism wrecking America and Obama as "apresident whose disdain for America is not lost on our students" is eerily similar to Dolchstoss im R?cken -- the myth that the German military had not been defeated in World War I, but that Germany had been "stabbed in the back" by a conspiracy of powerful Jews, socialists, and other traitorous liberals.  So-called non-Hispanic "White" are no longer a majority in California.  Nevertheless, all  mainstream politicians and pundits even in cities like Los Angeles and San Jose routinely refer to anyone not "White" as "minority" and all mainstream politicians and pundits routinely enable the rantings of demagogues like Shifren solely because he enjoys the "respectable" imprimatur of the Republican half of our sainted 2-party system.  Now, you can read what I've written on any good "liberal" web site.  The thing that makes me seem "crazy" to some folks is that I am one of the few African-American activists who also thinks the utterly immoral and cynical race-based politics of the Democrats in the cities shares half the blame for this disaster and that "liberal" Democrats half-assed clich?s about racism, "white privilege" and such from the Democrat-loving "Left"  are not part of the solution but part of the problem. 

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From JGSHURT69 at aol.com  Fri Feb 19 20:10:02 2010
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:10:02 EST
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 19 23:50:33 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:50:33 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Dangerous Man
Message-ID: <4B7F9449.90508@earthlink.net>


Just saw "The Most Dangerous Man in America"
     http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1319726/

at Cinema 12
     http://www.zvents.com/san-jose-ca/venues/show/28892-camera-12-cinema

I recommend it.

Gerry



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sat Feb 20 10:43:20 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:43:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Send Email,
	Laura Wells is not on CLCV site re GreenGov2010
Message-ID: <83577.11322.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





----- Forwarded Message ----
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Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 11:32:31 PM
Subject: Send Email, Laura Wells is not on CLCV site re GreenGov2010


>Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:11:50 -0500 (EST)
>From: denise at panix.com
>Subject: Send Email, Laura Wells is not on CLCV site re GreenGov2010
>
>Subject: GreenGov2010
>
>Dear California Greens,
>
>
>
>Please forward this message far & wide.
>
>
>
>The purpose of this email to encourage you to visit the California League of
>Conservation Voters (CLCV) website? <http://www.greengov2010.org/>
>www.greengov2010.org and take a look at who is featured as "candidates." You
>will see that the site features the two Republican candidates and the
>undeclared Democratic "candidate" Jerry Brown. It does not include declared
>Green Party candidate Laura Wells. Please send a polite email (see example
>below) asking them to include Green Party Candidate for Governor Laura Wells
>along with the other featured gubernatorial candidates on their website.
>Emails can be sent to Warner Chabot, the Executive Director of CLCV at
><mailto:wchabot at ecovote.org> wchabot at ecovote.org.
>
>
>
>In 2000 CLCV refused to even talk to the Nader 2000 Campaign about why they
>were refusing to interview him for endorsement consideration. They have
>consistently ignored Green Party candidates over the years. Now this.
>
>
>
>The site has a section titled "Additional Candidates" that states:
>"GreenGov2010 will profile additional candidates as the election approaches,
>or as they become viable candidates for election (for example, if a
>candidate previously unprofiled on this site reaches 10% in a credible
>statewide poll)."
>
>
>
>How do they expect candidates to become viable if organizations like theirs
>don't tell the voters about them?
>
>
>
>Please send them an email. The following is an example of some of the points
>you may want to cover:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Dear Mr. Chabot:
>
>
>
>I am writing to request that you include Green Party gubernatorial candidate
>Laura Wells ( <http://www.laurawells.org/> http://www.laurawells.org/) as a
>featured candidate on your GreenGov2010 website along with the other
>candidates already featured. GreenGov2010 states that it "will profile
>additional candidates...as they become viable candidates for election." I
>ask, how will they become viable candidates if good organizations like yours
>don't let voters know they exist?
>
>
>
>The Green Party is the largest single political party in the world and is
>qualified on the California Statewide ballot. Since 1990 the Green Party has
>fielded candidates in nearly 600 races in California and has won nearly 200
>seats. The Green Party is a viable political party, our candidates are
>viable.
>
>
>
>CLCV claims to be the "non-partisan political action arm of California's
>environmental movement." If CLCV is truly non-partisan then demonstrate that
>by including all of the declared candidates for governor that are running on
>ballot-qualified tickets. At the very least, include the candidate of the
>political party that has served as the electoral response to the global
>environmental crisis since 1972.
>
>
>
>I kindly request a response to this email,
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>Sincerely,
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From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Feb 20 12:58:57 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:58:57 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Fw: Send Email,
 Laura Wells is not on CLCV site re GreenGov2010
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 20 16:34:26 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:34:26 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Request for CC response to list abuse: [was
 re	Disagreements]
In-Reply-To: <10376.74ed8718.38ad9ed3@aol.com>
References: <10376.74ed8718.38ad9ed3@aol.com>
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Warner wrote: 
  

I am requesting that the County Coucil review the 
ongoing 
emails by Brian where he brings personal attacks to this email list that
 have 
nothing to do with Green Party business, that involve his personal sense
 of 
injury over events that happened years ago, and after he has been 
personally requested to stop.  This is just plain disrespectful to 
everybody else on this email list.  Warner

   Warner, I found your message so baffling that I sent you a whole list of
questions trying to divine the assumptions behind it.  Unfortunately you 
ignored my questions in your response.

   9/11 is certainly not out of the sphere of Green Party business; Presidential
candidates David Cobb and Cynthia McKinney are well known 9/11 truthers, as 
well as 14th district candidate Carol Brouillet, Ralph Nader.  I know you and 
Cameron to be naysayers on this issue, but as I see the consensus of the 
monthly county meetings you are outsiders on that issue.  My impression is
that few Greens have bothered to do much research into 9/11 even while they
espouse the Cobb/McKinney/Nader line, and thus I wish to warn them about 
discrediting personages such as William Rodriguez, the 9/11 con artist; Craig 
Ranke, the 9/11 con artist; and Kevin Barrett the 9/11 lunatic, bigot, liar, and
negligent researcher.  That is Green Party business.   

   Your "personal attack" rubric might be invoked by any defense attorney to 
defend any criminal offense.  "How dare you personally attack my client by 
accusing him of murder?"  I have not personally attacked anybody.  Willie has
engaged in fraud.  Kevin has advocated violence and arson.  Carol has 
committed libel against me. 

   The events of which I am complaining are not years in the past but as recent
as last Sunday when Carol in very carefully crafted language suggested that I
am pathologically jealous, maintain delusions, and might be serving the aims of
COINTELPRO.

  I hope you are not advocating a "Star Chamber" proceeding to which rank-and-file Greens are not invited, for which no minutes will be taken, and where those accused (me) will not be permitted to speak.

  Brian



  



From: WB4D23 at aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:34:43 -0500
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Request for CC response to list abuse: [was re	Disagreements]









In a message dated 2/16/2010 11:04:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
snug.bug at hotmail.com writes:

   Carol, I doubt I'm alone in believing your post below 
  unworthy of you.  
Your heap of 
  irrelevancies can't disguise its failure to address any of my 
  
points.  It indulges also 
  in dark and baseless speculations about my 
motives and even my thoughts.  Given irrefutable 
  proof that William 
Rodriguez's 9/11 hero story is a lie, you respond by claiming I'm 
  
pathologically jealous and 
  advancing the principle that exposing obvious 
9/11 con artists 
  somehow discredits the truth 
  movement.  Why would 
you provide a "supportive environment" to blatant 
  frauds?  Whatever 
the easy rationalizations, cover-ups corrupt the movement and our
leadership 
  and allow liars to trample our 
  precious credibility. 

   You have been running, hiding, and 
  shrinking from our disagreements 
ever since I warned you 
  about Willie in 2006 and Barrett in 2007.  
Subsequent events only confirmed my early observations, but I'll 
  
resist the temptation to mount an "open letter" 
  soapbox about our 
conflicts, as it would ill serve our audience 
  and it would be destructive 
to 
  you.  

  One sign of progress is that you did not repeat the lying 
  charges against 
me from one of your broadsides in the past, nor 
  the lies you've allowed 
your con-artist friends 
  to circulate about me.  Do you get it now, Carol?  
Lies are quicksand.  Flailing only sinks you deeper.  When 
  you're ready, 
I'll throw you a rope. You'll find me 
  understanding, forgiving, and supportive 
when you're back on dry 
  land.

 B
  

I am requesting that the County Coucil review the ongoing 
emails by Brian where he brings personal attacks to this email list that have 
nothing to do with Green Party business, that involve his personal sense of 
injury over events that happened years ago, and after he has been 
personally requested to stop.  This is just plain disrespectful to 
everybody else on this email list.  Warner
  		 	   		  
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 21 16:46:09 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:46:09 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] party time at tian's
Message-ID: <4B81D3D1.7000102@sbcglobal.net>

Tian has told me that he wants to have a party next Saturday,
February 27-th.

Tian, please provide uw with more details.

One possibility is to have a bried county council meeting there
in a very informal setting.

One subject of which would be county council candidates.




From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Feb 21 18:32:29 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:32:29 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] Green Talk Column in MH Times
Message-ID: <4B81ECBD.9000007@charter.net>

The following will (tentatively) become the Green Talk Column for 
Tuesday, Feb. 23.  I may change it a bit between now and tomorrow 9:00 
AM.  If you have any feedback, suggestions for clarity, please reply.
__
t has almost become impossible to read a story about energy without 
finding the word ?sustainable? used at some point. We all have some 
basic understanding at what is meant. The current supplies of oil and 
natural gas are limited and those new fields being found are 
increasingly expensive to to maintain. Therefore, our current pace of 
using up the supply of fossil fuels in not sustainable, or will not be 
for very long. That discussion is generally focused on peak oil.

Often, this basic definition is followed by someone's favorite solution 
for maintaining economic growth in the face of such diminished supply of 
energy. Sometimes, these solutions are reasonable, like an increased use 
of wind and solar. Sometimes they pose a technological challenge with 
promise of a future energy supply, such as biofuels from algae. Others 
so defy rational analysis and that they could exist only in a bad sci-fi 
movie.

The focus on energy, as important and immediate as that is, allows us to 
ignore the very basic notion of what it would take to be truly 
sustainable. Some of have tried to explain this with the analogy of a 
spaceship. We all know that space ships have to carry everything needed 
to sustain life along with them. That includes the atmosphere people 
breath and the food they eat as well as the means of reacting to any 
problem that might arise. We see an example of this every time a shuttle 
visits the International Space Station with a load of supplied and 
returns with a load of waste.

So consider that the Earth is like a space ship. We have a fixed set of 
material resources. There is no way to add anything. There is no 
/Enterprise /that will arrive with new supplies. We have what we have 
and that is that. This fact should make all of the difference in how we 
think about the future, but sadly, it does not. Allow me to give a few 
examples.

There are those who see the future of energy as coming from nuclear 
power. Even if we assume that we could adequately protect people from 
the dangers of radiation along the entire production chain, from 
extraction of uranium to disposal or re-processing of the spent power 
plant fuel, we should be aware of the fact that energy planners are 
beginning to talk about peak uranium just as we talk about peak oil now. 
The economically retrievable supplies of untapped uranium are very few 
and many are far away in countries like Kazakhstan.

Evan as we are beginning to make major use of lithium for batteries in 
everything from cell phones to automobiles, there are increasing 
concerns over a peak in lithium and a search for other energy storage 
alternatives. The largest under-developed supply of lithium is in 
Bolivia and that development is subject to  political as well as 
economic factors.

All of this is to say that we need to rethink that manner in which we 
use the limited material resources of this spaceship Earth to supply the 
needs of a growing population and it's desire to attain at least the 
same standard of living that we currently enjoy. The current UN low 
population forecast  is for an increase of 2.4 billion people by 2050. 
That is more than the current populations of China and the US combined. 
And most of these would try to attain our lifestyle if they could.

We need to consider not just oil and natural gas or even more scarce 
materials like uranium or lithium. We have to begin to consider even the 
steel used in construction, the aluminum we use to wrap our food, the 
wood that frames our houses or even the number of trees it takes to make 
chopsticks and toilet paper.

The modern industrial practice is that of a linear irreversible 
throughput, where resource are moved into from the ecosphere to the 
humansphere where our economic engine of growth processes them producing 
waste along the way. But then, we discard most of it, creating more 
waste and our governments encourage us to do this to produce economic 
growth.

At some point, even the most ideological free marketer among us will be 
forced to admit that this pattern can not be sustained and that we need 
to find a new vision of what constitutes a life worth living. Whatever 
that goal is, we will not get there along our current path. We need to 
transform our economy to one that cycles materials rather than uses 
them, where waste becomes the raw material for productions; that 
recognizes that we are all part of an ever changing ecosphere.   There 
will be economic consequences of such a radical change. It is our choice 
whether we absorb those consequences now when they are manageable or 
later when they are not.


-- 
"Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better
 and you don't,
 then you are wasting your time on this Earth" Roberto Clemente

Wes Rolley
17211 Quail Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://www.refpub.com/ -- Tel: 408.778.3024



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sun Feb 21 19:49:33 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:49:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] party time at tian's
In-Reply-To: <4B81D3D1.7000102@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4B81D3D1.7000102@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <121423.31391.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sounds good.
?I'd like details, too.
Caroline




________________________________
From: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
To: sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 4:46:09 PM
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] party time at tian's

Tian has told me that he wants to have a party next Saturday,
February 27-th.

Tian, please provide uw with more details.

One possibility is to have a bried county council meeting there
in a very informal setting.

One subject of which would be county council candidates.


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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sun Feb 21 22:21:42 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:21:42 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] party time at tian's
In-Reply-To: <121423.31391.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4B81D3D1.7000102@sbcglobal.net>
	<121423.31391.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B822276.9090506@aceweb.com>

Okay, as requested, here are the details, hot off the modem:

http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/SigParty10.html

Let me know of any improvements that page needs, please!

Now I gotta go make an announcement for the front page....

Tian

Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> Sounds good.
>  I'd like details, too.
> Caroline
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
> *To:* sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> *Sent:* Sun, February 21, 2010 4:46:09 PM
> *Subject:* [Sosfbay-discuss] party time at tian's
> 
> Tian has told me that he wants to have a party next Saturday,
> February 27-th.
> 
> Tian, please provide uw with more details.
> 
> One possibility is to have a bried county council meeting there
> in a very informal setting.
> 
> One subject of which would be county council candidates.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org <mailto:sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
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-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: pictures from Veggielution's farmstand opening Saturday!



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 21 22:27:58 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:27:58 -0800
Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] party time at tian's
In-Reply-To: <4B822276.9090506@aceweb.com>
References: <4B81D3D1.7000102@sbcglobal.net>,
	<121423.31391.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<4B822276.9090506@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W17D4F252030AF6881421AD9E430@phx.gbl>



Thank you Tian!

    I am willing to run for county council but only if Carol Brouillet 
will endorse my candidacy. 

   Brian


> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:21:42 -0800
> From: tnharter at aceweb.com
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] party time at tian's
> 
> Okay, as requested, here are the details, hot off the modem:
> 
> http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/SigParty10.html
> 
> Let me know of any improvements that page needs, please!
> 
> Now I gotta go make an announcement for the front page....
> 
> Tian
> 
> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> > Sounds good.
> >  I'd like details, too.
> > Caroline
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
> > *To:* sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> > *Sent:* Sun, February 21, 2010 4:46:09 PM
> > *Subject:* [Sosfbay-discuss] party time at tian's
> > 
> > Tian has told me that he wants to have a party next Saturday,
> > February 27-th.
> > 
> > Tian, please provide uw with more details.
> > 
> > One possibility is to have a bried county council meeting there
> > in a very informal setting.
> > 
> > One subject of which would be county council candidates.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org <mailto:sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> -- 
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest change: pictures from Veggielution's farmstand opening Saturday!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
 		 	   		  
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 24 20:20:37 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:20:37 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] plenary registration and more
Message-ID: <4B85FA95.30109@sbcglobal.net>

GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE

This is an announcement from the GPCA Contact List. 
For more information, or questions related to the topic of the posting,
please do not hit reply.  Follow the contact directions  stated in the 
email.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please circulate as appropriate.

 REGISTRATION FOR THE MARCH GENERAL ASSEMBLY CLOSING IN ONE WEEK

Registration for the Green Party's March 6-7 General Assembly in San 
Jose will
close next Wednesday, March 3.

Registration is currently sparse. Early registration helps the host 
committee
and the CC prepare the event. Please help create a successful meeting by
registering online at

        http://www.cagreens.org/plenary/

County Councils please remember to submit your delegate list online, also.
It, too, will close on March 3.

IMPORTANT:  All delegate names must be submitted before the meeting. Due to
past problems, the Accreditation Committee will no longer accept 
delegate name
submissions at the meeting.
-------------------

COUNTY POLLING

County Polling on ballot measures also ends on March 3. Please be sure to
submit your county's response to the polling coordinators:

Warner Bloomberg   wsb3attyca at aol.com
Richard Gomez  nate136_66 at yahoo.com

The polling report with the measures is at

      http://www.cagreens.org/plenary/packet.html

---------------------------
The following update was posted to the County Contacts list on 2/18.

To:  GPCA County Council Members, SC/WG Coordinators and Activists

From:  Warner Bloomberg, County Polling Coordinator

The Secretary of State has designated numbers for the various ballot
measures to be included with the June 2010 Primary Election (see
below).  Please include the number and title with your County Green
Party's polling reports.  Please see the current Plenary Agenda Packet
for the list of active GPCA county organizations and the applicable
number of votes (same as maximum delegates number).  Reports are due not
later than 11:59 pm Wendnesday March 3, 2010.  Your County Polling votes
report must be sent by a County Council member to both Warner Bloomberg
wsb3attyca at aol.com <mailto:wsb3attyca at aol.com> and Richard Gomez
nate136_66 at yahoo.com <mailto:nate136_66 at yahoo.com> so the votes report
can be confirmed.

At least half of all eligible County GPs must report and there must be
an 80% approval for a position.  Otherwise, these items will be part of
the the Plenary Agenda.   Full details of the previous County Polling
instructions and information also can be found at cagreens.org/plenary
<http://cagreens.org/plenary> (go to agenda page).

     June 2010 Statewide Ballot Measures

Proposition 13
Constitutional Amendment
SCA 4. (Resolution Chapter 115, 2008), Ashburn.

Property tax: new construction exclusion: seismic retrofitting.
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/pdf/sca-4-bill-20080827-chaptered.pdf> 


(Would exempt earthquake retrofitting as an improvement that would
otherwise trigger a real property tax increase assessment)

Proposition 14
Constitutional Amendment
SCA 4. (Resolution Chapter 2, 2009). Maldonado.

Elections: open primaries.
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/pdf/sca-4-bill-20090219-chaptered.pdf> 


(Would allow only top two primary election vote getters to appear in the
general election regardless of political party)


Proposition 15
Statute
AB 583. (Chapter 735, 2008). Hancock.

Political Reform Act of 1974: California Fair Elections Act of 2008.
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/pdf/ab-583-bill-20080930-chaptered.pdf> 


(Pilot Project For Public Financing For Secretary of State Candidates)


Proposition 16
Initiative Constitutional Amendment
1369. (09-0015) - Random Sample
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/pend_sig/init-sample-1369-011210.pdf> -
Updated as of January 12, 2010

New Two-Thirds Requirement for Local Public Electricity Providers.

Qualified: 01/12/10

Proponent: Robert Lee Pence c/o Steve Lucas (415) 389-6800

Requires local governments to obtain the approval of two-thirds of the
voters before providing electricity to new customers or expanding such
service to new territories if any public funds or bonds are involved.
Requires same two-thirds vote to provide electricity through a community
choice program if any public funds or bonds are involved. Requires the
vote to be in the jurisdiction of the local government and any new
territory to be served. Provides exceptions to the jurisdiction of the
voting requirements for a limited number of identified projects. Summary
of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal
impact on state and local governments: Unknown impact on state and local
government costs and revenues, depending on future voter decisions, due
to the measure's potential effects on electricity rates and publicly
owned utility operations. (09-0015.) (Full Text)
<http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i812_initiative_09-0015.pdf> 



Proposition 17
Initiative Statute
1381. (09-0028) - Random Sample
<http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/pend_sig/init-sample-1381-012010.pdf> -
Updated as of January 20, 2010

Allows Auto Insurance Companies to Base Their Prices in Part on a
Driver's History of Insurance Coverage.

Qualified: 01/20/10

Proponent: Christina L. Wilson c/o Chip Nielsen (415) 389-6800

Changes current law to permit insurance companies to offer a discount to
drivers who have continuously maintained their auto insurance coverage,
even if they change their insurance company, and notwithstanding the ban
on using the absence of prior insurance for purposes of pricing.
Establishes that lapses in coverage due to nonpayment of premiums may
prevent a driver from qualifying for the discount. Summary of estimate
by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state
and local government: This measure would probably have no significant
fiscal effect on state and local governments. (09-0028.) (Full Text)
<http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i824_initiative_09-0028.pdf> 

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From andid at cagreens.org  Wed Feb 24 19:09:24 2010
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:09:24 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [OFF TOPIC] But Worth Our Consideration?
References: <25702.35195.qm@web51902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A43042A4-8364-49F7-B8A6-245F45D8DDC3@cagreens.org>

To my Green Party Colleagues,

Read and consider:   What would be the (serious) Green Party approach to the following?  IMHO it cleverly points out the problems We the People are having now with the "elected" representatives of our so-called Democratic Republic.

Regards,
Andrea

Begin forwarded message:
>  
>  
> 
>  Congressional Reform Act of 2010
> 
> 
> 1. Term Limits: 12 years only, one of the possible options below.
> 
> A. Two Six year Senate terms
> B. Six Two year House terms
> C. One Six year Senate term and three Two Year House terms
> 
>         Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.
> 
> 
> 
> 2.  No Tenure / No Pension: 
> 
>     A congressperson collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.  
> 
>     Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 3.  Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security:
> 
>     All funds in the Congressional retirement fund moves to the Social Security system immediately.  All future funds flow into the Social Security system, Congress participates with the American people. 
> 
>     Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, server your term(s), then go home and back to work.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan just as all Americans.
> 
>     Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.  Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
> 
>     Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned  citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 6. Congress looses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
> 
>     Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 7. Congress must equally abide in all laws they impose on the American people.
> 
>     Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 8. All contracts with past and present congresspeople are void effective 1/1/11.  
> 
>     The American people did not make this contract with Congress, Congress made all these contracts for themselves.
> 
>     Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.  The Founding Fathers envisioned  citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work. 
>   

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 25 15:37:39 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:37:39 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Climate Change Scientist Criminals
Message-ID: <4B8709C3.9090407@earthlink.net>


Curiouser and curiouser.

Senator Inhofe wants to criminalize climate scientists.

Just google (news) "inhofe climate change".

What next?

Gerry



From wrolley at charter.net  Thu Feb 25 20:25:36 2010
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:25:36 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Climate Change Scientist Criminals
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 26 07:37:36 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:37:36 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] =?iso-8859-1?q?=22Consumers_Are_Sleeping_With_the_En?=
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An article about consumer "thinking" and Facebook's
dirty power.

     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/26-0

Gerry



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Feb 26 15:03:27 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:03:27 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Still two hours left as I type this...
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If you want to be a Green Party Candidate for something, you still have
about 1 hour and 54 minutes (or less, they close at 5 PM) to head down
to the ROV office on Berger Drive in San Jose and take out papers.

As of right now there are two people that have taken out papers for
County Council. Please add yourself to the list so you can gather
signatures at my party tomorrow evening!
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: you're invited to a party at my place on Saturday at 7PM!



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Feb 26 15:22:17 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:22:17 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Still two hours left as I type this...
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I forgot to mention that we need six more candidates to make the ROV
hold an election for us.

Also, if you need more particulars on the party, here is the info:

http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/SigParty10.html

Hope to see you there! Support our candidates by giving a signature!

Tian Harter wrote:
> If you want to be a Green Party Candidate for something, you still have
> about 1 hour and 54 minutes (or less, they close at 5 PM) to head down
> to the ROV office on Berger Drive in San Jose and take out papers.
> 
> As of right now there are two people that have taken out papers for
> County Council. Please add yourself to the list so you can gather
> signatures at my party tomorrow evening!

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: you're invited to a party at my place on Saturday at 7PM!



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 26 15:30:23 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:30:23 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Yes-Men Movie in Palo Alto Friday 7:30 PM
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    The Yes Men are anti-corporate activists who impersonate World Trade Organization spokesmen on TV and at 
business conferences.

   
The movie follows Andy and Mike as they attend important functions posing in thrift-store suits as WTO 
representatives.  Delighted to speak for the organization they oppose, 
they put on darkly comic satires on global free trade. 
Weirdly, the experts don?t notice the joke and seem to agree with every 
terrible idea the two can come up with.


   Exhausted by their failed attempts to shock, Mike and Andy take a whole 
new approach for one final lecture.


   
This event is sponsored by SVAN / Acterra / Transition 

Acterra

                                        3921 E Bayshore Rd.   (Just north of San Antonio on the 101 bayside frontage road)

                                        Palo Alto, CA    
                                    


The website below says RSVP but the PPJC announcement didn't.


http://transitionpaloalto.org/friday-night-movies/

 		 	   		  
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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Sun Feb 28 15:29:09 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:29:09 EST
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Comments sent to GIWG re Pending Ballot Measures
	Plenary Agenda Item
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February  28. 2010 
To:  Hally DiCarion, Green Issues Working  Group Co-Coordinator;   Bert 
Heuer. GIWG  Co-Coordinator;  Wes Rolley; Will Yeager 
From:  Warner Bloomberg  wb4d23 at aol.com 
Subject:  Santa Clara County GP Activists Comments  re GIWG Plenary Agenda 
Item ?Pending Ballot Measures? 
The  Santa Clara County Green Party uses a meeting of Plenary delegates and 
 alternates and other interested GPSCC members to review Agenda Packet 
items and  consense, where possible, on recommendations to take to a general 
membership  meeting, where positions and instructions are made.  The review 
group met last Sunday  (February 21, 2010) and consensed on the following 
regarding the GIWG Pending  Ballot Measures proposal. 
We  do not think that these items should be considered as a single agenda 
item.  Each ballot measure or possible ballot  proposal should be considered 
separately. 
The  first two on the list have qualified for the June Ballot and are part 
of current  County Polling and will be dealt with either by County Polling 
or as part of the  March Plenary Agenda, so they should be withdrawn from the 
 list. 
In  general, the descriptions of the ballot measures are all inadequate.  
Many of them do not in any way describe  what the measure, if enacted, would 
do.  Those descriptions should have been part of the proposal in the Agenda  
Packet.  Reference to a website is  not an adequate substitute.  
We  have concerns that our time and energies are being taken up with 
matters that  may not receive enough signatures to be put before the voters.  We 
also do not like the idea of a  tentative or advisory position.  Either the 
GPCA should take a position on a matter or not.  Again, because the proposal 
suggests any  number of decisions might not be the final say, we feel this 
is an unfair  misdirection of our time and energies to have to take a 
position on all of these  different items. 
We  do affirm the concept of trying to establish earlier-rather-than-later 
GPCA  positions on items where there is, or should be, a clear GPCA 
position.  Therefore, we suggest that the GIWG  modify its proposal to prioritize 
the items on the list and take them in order  to the extent that time is 
allowed on the agenda March 7th to obtain  GPCA positions.  In particular, we  
would support the Marijuana Legislation item {because it appears enough  
signatures have been collected so that it will appear on the November 2010  
ballot) and the New Prop 187 item (because the GPCA has twice taken positions  
opposing similar initiatives).  Our  concerns remain as to the other items on 
the GIWG list. 
These  will be our recommendations to the GPSCC general meeting scheduled 
for  Wednesday, March 3rd.  This information is being sent to you to consider 
in connection with how  the GIWG will or will not modify its  proposal.
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