From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  1 10:07:46 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:07:46 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Stephen Hill on KQED Forum Now
Message-ID: <4C053E62.6010301@earthlink.net>


about how Europe has a better system

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  1 10:09:41 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:09:41 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Stephen Hill on KQED Forum Now
References: <4C053E62.6010301@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4C053ED5.4000409@earthlink.net>


Well, from about 10:10 to 11:00 AM.

Gerry


Gerry Gras wrote:

> 
> about how Europe has a better system
> 
> Gerry
> 




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  1 13:13:55 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:13:55 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Stephen Hill on KQED Forum Now
References: <4C053E62.6010301@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4C056A03.6020307@earthlink.net>


If you want to know more, check out this website on
the book:

     http://www.europespromise.org/

Gerry


Gerry Gras wrote:

> 
> about how Europe has a better system
> 
> Gerry




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  1 19:03:52 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 19:03:52 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "It's Not Easy Being Green"
Message-ID: <4C05BC08.5020304@earthlink.net>


An article by a reporter for the Cape Cod Times
about being Green and green.

"'It's Not Easy Being Green'"

     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/06/01-11

Gerry




From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  1 19:04:22 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 19:04:22 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] meeting agenda
Message-ID: <4C05BC26.6070705@sbcglobal.net>

Green Party of Santa Clara County
Proposed Agenda for Wednesday June 2, 2009

Selection of Facilitator, Notetaker, Ti mekeeper, Vibes Watcher 8 min

Introductions, Announcements, Finalizing Agenda 12 min

Selection of Agenda Preparer for next meeting 3 min

Treasurer's report: 10 min Jim D
Plenary
Food4Thought
Tabling ? SJSU, SCU, Junior State, Berryessa

IRV in San Jose 10 min Jim S

Report re Ed Gonzalez. 1 min Spencer

Tabling & Events - selection of lead persons 15 min
Leafletting ? No on 14, Yes on 15
June 19-20 Juneteenth
Next Food4Thought August 14-th ?

Green Focus 5 min

No on 14 bookmarks, letters to the editor 5 min

Reports
Tabling reports (Berryessa, Mother?s Day) 3 min
Food for Thought May 22 5 min Merriam
SJSU Earth Day follow up 5 min Jim D

Immigration 5 min Jim D

Total time: 1 hour 27 minutes

Post meeting discussions: spurring activism, abusive banks.



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  2 09:09:49 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:09:49 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KQED Forum on Gaza Flotilla Now
Message-ID: <4C06824D.20307@earthlink.net>


KQED Forum is on the Israel seizure of the
Free Gaza ships.  Now.

Gerry



From jgshurt69 at aol.com  Wed Jun  2 10:59:23 2010
From: jgshurt69 at aol.com (jgshurt69 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:59:23 -0400
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Attack on Gaza Flotilla
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-w43FFE17CF68894E3934434C3D00@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT141-w43FFE17CF68894E3934434C3D00@phx.gbl>
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From: cord macguire <cordymac at hotmail.com>
To: cord macguire <cordymac at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:06 am
Subject: [Green_All_Views] Pols Cheer Israel



s Obama Wavers, Congressmen Cheer Aid Ship Massacre
////////////////////////////////////////////////////
y Jason Ditz
Anti-War.com
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/06/01/as-obama-havers-congressmen-cheer-aid-ship-massacre/
June 1, 2010 

President Obama?s reluctance to comment in any but the most vague terms of the 
assacre of 19 aid workers by Israeli commandos late Sunday night has left many 
ondering exactly where the US government will fall on an issue which has been 
lanketly condemned by virtually every government in the civilized world and 
irtually every government outside the civilized world.

ut the lack of White House comment has opened the door for Congressmen to stake 
ut public positions on the matter and, perhaps predictably, those that have 
ommented have universally praised the killings.

ep. Gary Ackerman, the House Foreign Affairs chair, praised the raid, saying he 
upported Israel?s decision to attack the ship and the decision of the commandos 
o use deadly force against the aid workers, who he said were ?brutally 
ttacking? them. He added that the whole matter was secretly Hamas? fault.

everal of the Congressmen singled out the United Nations for condemnation, 
laiming that criticizing the massacre was a ?double standard? and demanding 
hat President Obama use veto power to prevent any action being taken against 
srael for it.

resident Obama has called for an Israeli-led ?investigation? into the lead up 
o the massacre, but has stopped short of criticizing the killings in any 
pecific way. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton advised people to be ?careful? 
n their responses.
 
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  2 12:08:14 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:08:14 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] meeting agenda
Message-ID: <4C06AC1E.1010806@sbcglobal.net>

Green Party of Santa Clara County
Proposed Agenda for Wednesday June 2, 2009

Selection of Facilitator, Notetaker, Ti mekeeper, Vibes Watcher 8 min

Introductions, Announcements, Finalizing Agenda 12 min

Selection of Agenda Preparer for next meeting 3 min

Treasurer's report: 10 min Jim D
Plenary
Food4Thought
Tabling ? SJSU, SCU, Junior State, Berryessa

IRV in San Jose 10 min Jim S

Report re Ed Gonzalez. 1 min Spencer

Tabling & Events - selection of lead persons 15 min
Leafletting ? No on 14, Yes on 15
June 19-20 Juneteenth
Next Food4Thought August 14-th ?

Green Focus 5 min

No on 14 bookmarks, letters to the editor 5 min

Reports
Tabling reports (Berryessa, Mother?s Day) 3 min
Food for Thought May 22 5 min Merriam
SJSU Earth Day follow up 5 min Jim D

Immigration 5 min Jim D

Total time: 1 hour 27 minutes

Post meeting discussions: spurring activism, abusive banks.



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  2 14:51:36 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:51:36 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] UN's recommended diet
Message-ID: <4C06D268.50307@earthlink.net>


"UN Urges Global Move to Meat and Dairy-Free Diet
Lesser consumption of animal products is necessary to save the world 
from the worst impacts of climate change, UN report says"

     http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/06/02-7

Gerry




From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  2 17:03:48 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:03:48 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Forwarded from Donna Wallach
Message-ID: <BAY140-W1930EAE17FB74DDBE54EF69ED10@phx.gbl>








   
Today on the Diane
Rehm show, a nationally syndicated radio talk show in the U.S.,
Michael Oren, the Israeli ambassador to the U.S., stated that the
Mavi Marmara was ""too large to stop with nonviolent
means." This is a DIRECT quote.

This means that they have
admitted the attack on our ship, which killed between 9-20 civilians,
was PREMEDITATED.


Brian's comment:  A former Israeli navy lieutenant commander, Victor Ostrovsky, said that the ship could have been stopped by disabling its propellor, which would necessitate towing it to a harbor.  

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/06/former_mossad_agent_ridicules.html


In other Gaza-related news, I am please to report that yesterday while all this uproar was going on, the Jew-hating gun-nut and 9/11 lunatic Dr. Kevin Barrett was not able to get any responsible spokesperson for the Palestinian cause on his radio show on No Lies Radio and had to spend the hour discussing the editorial practices of the 911blogger web forum with a couple of angry young men who quite amusingly and apparently unconsciously imitated Barrett's trademark comic voice inflections on the program while complaining that their irrational and counter-factual postings had been inhibited by the powers-that-be at 911blogger.   Way to go on a breaking story, Kevin!





 		 	   		  
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Wed Jun  2 21:39:45 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:39:45 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] meeting agenda
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On 6/2/2010 12:08 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
> Green Party of Santa Clara County
> Proposed Agenda for Wednesday June 2, 2009
>
> Selection of Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, Vibes Watcher 8 min
Facilitator:  Jim Doyle
Notetaker:  Spencer
Timekeeper:  Tom
Vibes Watcher:  Tian
Agenda for next meeting:  Tian


Notetaker:  Spencer Graves
>
> Introductions, Announcements, Finalizing Agenda 12 min

New person:  Peter Smith.

Werner Blumgarten, Fred Duperault,
Adrea Dorey
Tom Donahue
Dan St. George, Palo Alto.
Spencer Graves
Cameron
Jim Doyle
Jim Stauffer

>
> Selection of Agenda Preparer for next meeting 3 min
>
> Treasurer's report: 10 min Jim D

 From tabling Santa Clara U:  $2
SJSU:  $21
Jr. State $65.37
Barryessa $22.64
Food for Thought:  expense to date:  $275.96
      Received:  $142
       At the moment:  $135 in the red;  may go up.


> Plenary

Plennary:  7 people prepaid,
$2083 delegate fees.

$2415.86 income
$1020 rent
$100 janitor
... other misc.

total expenses $1682
net:  $733.85
Much donated food.
Merriam gets a standing ovation from managing the plenary so well.

> Food4Thought
> Tabling ? SJSU, SCU, Junior State, Berryessa
>
> IRV in San Jose 10 min Jim S

       City council will table the process until 2011 or 2012.  Wait to 
see how Berkeley, Oakland and San Leandro, who will be implementing it 
this electoral season.  We should find a way to keep up the pressure so 
it won't die here.  Discussions of how to lower the costs of elections, 
e.g., lower the threshold from 50% to 40% to avoid a runnoff.

>
> Report re Ed Gonzalez. 1 min Spencer

Spencer to follow up with him.
>
> Tabling & Events - selection of lead persons 15 min

> Leafletting ? No on 14, Yes on 15

       Fred will go to the Sunday Farmer's Market in Mt. View.


> June 19-20 Juneteenth


NEED someone for Juneteenth (June 19 & 20):  We've paid for a booth, and 
we need someone to do it.  Jim Doyle will be out of town.  We need a 
lead person to contact the appropriate people.
Noon - 8 PM, 2 days.
Tian will take the lead to talk with the Juneteenth organizers, etc.


America Fest canceled
Tapesty canceled.
Gay Pride parade Aug. 21-22.  Doyle has asked the organizers asking how 
to sign up;  has not heard back.


> Next Food4Thought August 14-th ?

To be determined.  Maybe make the next one later;  Aug. 14th too early.

>
> Green Focus 5 min
>
> No on 14 bookmarks, letters to the editor 5 min
>
> Reports
> Tabling reports (Berryessa, Mother?s Day) 3 min
> Food for Thought May 22 5 min Merriam

       We need to be organized about publicity.  Jim Stauffer can help 
with advertising for the next one.


Tian:  We did too many things too quickly.
Need a greater advanced planning time.

Dana:  Maybe NOT Saturday evening.


Werner:  Do we want a joint picknick with San Mateo County?

Tom:  Sunday PM might work better.
Tian:  Sunday PM worked well in Sunnyvale.

Tom:  Outdoors in August might be too hot.


> SJSU Earth Day follow up 5 min Jim D

       Doyle:  They sent us a "Thank You" for being there, with a 
picture.  Jim said we should make contacts with the students who worked 
at the Environmental Resource Center at SJSU.  Jim Stauffer would be 
willing to do that.

       Tian:  SJSU has a "back to school" event in September.
       Tom:  This event might be limited to campus groups.
       Tian:  There was a Campus Greens, but they graduated.  We need a 
Prof. who would help organize this.
       Doyle:  Contact Environmental Resource Center & Environmental 
____ Dept.

>
> Immigration 5 min Jim D

       Doyle:  Anyone here joined the March?
       Tian went by there but didn't attend.  Roz Dean and the usual 
suspects were there;  he didn't see many more.


>
> Total time: 1 hour 27 minutes
>
> Post meeting discussions: spurring activism, abusive banks.

       Look at published polls.

       People often confuse Greens with Greenpeace.

       Andrea:  Found Green Party members.  We need to do outreach to 
new Green party members, ask them their interests, concerns, ... .


       We used to be able to go to the registrar of voters to get names 
and addresses, email addresses.  Less than 1 in 10 of the addresses in 
the emails are valid.


       Phone numbers work better.


       Most of the Greens are renting.  By the time we get to them, 
they've moved.


       We must use an email address as soon as we get it;  otherwise it 
is likely invalid.


       Could we mail (or email) to registered Greens?


       Stauffer:  We need someone to manage our one-way list.  We have 
~30 names;  some counties have thousands.


       We could be better about getting announcements of our meetings in 
various publications, the Metro, ... .
       Andea:  If we


ABUSIVE BANKS:


       Credit unions may be better than multinational banks.


       Coop America has a list of banks.


       Dana taught a unit on finance at a school.  After teaching this 
unit, Dana changed to a credit union.


       Andrea:  Star One is a credit union.


>
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-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Thu Jun  3 06:23:36 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:23:36 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: endorsement
Message-ID: <4C07ACD8.6060604@prodsyse.com>

Dear Jim, et al.:


       I mispoke myself regarding Ed Gonzalez last night:  As documented 
below, I had replied to him on May 6, the day after our last monthly 
meeting, thanking him for coming and saying, "We have had extensive 
discussions about your candidacy and have decided NOT to endorse anyone 
in that race."  I then shared with him the draft "No on 14" bookmark, 
asking about the Libertarian position on that issue, and commenting on 
the importance of "civil society", the ability to find common ground 
with others and build coalitions for effective action on issues of 
common concern.


       I have not heard back from him, and he may not have received this 
email.  However, I do have documentation that it was sent.  I misread it 
last night when I said I must not have replied to him.


       Thanks for the question.
       Anything else on this?
       Best Wishes,
       Spencer Graves


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: endorsement
Date: 	Thu, 06 May 2010 19:26:51 -0700
From: 	Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com>
To: 	info at edwardmgonzalez.com



Dear Mr. Gonzalez:


        Thanks for coming and talking at a recent Green Party meeting.
We have had extensive discussions about your candidacy and have decided
NOT to endorse anyone in that race.


        Do you and / or the Libertarian Party have a position on Prop
14?  Our research suggest that it could virtually eliminate third
parties such as the Libertarians and Greens.  Attached please find a
very brief summary of the Green position on this issue.  (This is
intended to be printed on both sides of a sheet of paper, then cut to
create 8 bookmarks per page.)  More information is available in web
sites mentioned in the attached.


        From my study of research literature suggests that the primary
constituent of democracy is not elections but civil society:  the
ability of people to find issues of common concern and work together
effectively on those issues.  If the local culture supports this kind of
spontaneous collaboration, dictatorships do not survive.  Conversely, a
locality in which the people do not have this culture of collaboration,
elections become exercises in fraud.  My question on Prop 14 is a
specific example of how Greens and Libertarians need to collaborate --
provide of course that the attached provides a reasonably accurate
portrayal of Prop 14.


        Best Wishes,
        Spencer Graves

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  3 14:29:39 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:29:39 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW: Jon Stewart's account of the attack on the Freedom
	Flotilla
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      Watch this segment on the Flotilla in yesterday's Daily 
      Show  from 3.12  (after the one on Korea):
      http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-2-2010/clusterf--k-to-the-war-house---korean-peninsula---middle-east?xrs=eml_tds 


       
Stewart lampoons the Korea torpedo investigation.  Laugh til you cry.

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Fri Jun  4 16:22:40 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:22:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: See 10 minute video of Mark Leno presenting SB810
	to Calif. Senate prior to vote
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--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
Subject: See 10 minute video of Mark Leno presenting SB810 to Calif. Senate prior to vote
To: "Lynn Huidekoper" <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 1:55 AM






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Thanks to PNHP here's Mark giving the?health care statistics and correcting incorrect info about the cost of the bill. This was prior to the Senate floor vote in January. We are certainly lucky to have him as our torch bearer.
?
http://pnhpcalifornia.org/2010/04/senator-leno-opens-debate-on-single-payer-health-care/

Lynn Huidekoper, RN 
Co-Director
Health Care for All Californians-Silicon Valley Coalition 
Co-Chair , Santa Clara County Single Payer Coalition
Senator Mark Leno's Single Payer bill, SB810 
John Conyer's Single Payer bill, HR 676
Menlo Park CA. 
650-322-9609 
http://www.californiaonecare.org 
http://www.healthcareforall.org 
Health Care is a Human Right

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From fredd at freeshell.org  Sat Jun  5 12:52:32 2010
From: fredd at freeshell.org (fred)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:52:32 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 74 Democrats sold you out to AT&T,
	Verizon and Comcast.
Message-ID: <4C0AAB00.7020909@freeshell.org>

This appears to me that the corporations would grab immense power if 
they could "block internet traffic."

I signed the petition.

Fred D.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	74 Democrats sold you out to AT&T, Verizon and Comcast.
Date: 	Sat, 05 Jun 2010 07:17:38 -0500
From: 	Matt Lockshin, CREDO Action <act at credoaction.com>
To: 	Frederic Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>




CREDO Action | more than a network. a movement.


	
	

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Infuriatingly, they signed an industry-backed letter telling the FCC to 
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Not only is this letter an attack on net neutrality, but by signing the 
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Of course broadband providers are insisting that we should just trust 
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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Sat Jun  5 22:06:22 2010
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Sat,  5 Jun 2010 22:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 74 Democrats sold you out to AT&T,
	Verizon and Comcast.
Message-ID: <20100606050622.18AF46A988@truffula.sj.ca.us>


Corporations block Internet traffic every day.
Every millisecond.  It's a vital part of keeping the network
running.

There's a torrent of "harmful traffic" blasting from hundreds of
millions of PCs and web servers worldwide.  They're infested
with every kind of malicious software.  Over half the
PCs in people's homes worldwide are compromised.
They're organized by the hundreds of thousands into botnets.
You can rent a botnet by the hour to commit any crimes
you want.

They're sending phish spam, in hopes of stealing your
identity, your bank account, and your retirement savings.
They're guessing passwords in hopes of stealing your
email account, to send spam from it.  They're advertising
counterfeit drugs for sale through web servers they've
hijacked.  They're selling porn and mail-order brides.

There are even hobbyists who trade and collect videos recorded
in the back rows of movie theaters or ripped from DVDs,
consuming hundreds of times more bandwidth than everybody
else, and degrading the service for the normal users.
One such hobbyist forced the San Jose Peace Center off
line until we encrypted its Wifi service and blocked his
harmful traffic.  That's why there's a WEP key there now.

Everybody from *me* to Comcast and Time Warner America Online
do our best to block that crap.

If we stopped blocking harmful traffic, most email servers
worldwide would crash within a few minutes.  Enough web servers
would be compromised that most people would be unable to
use the Web, because most people are using Microsoft,
and it's vulnerable to attack by compromised web sites.


>This appears to me that the corporations would grab immense power if 
>they could "block internet traffic."

>I signed the petition.

I didn't.  Josh Silver, the promoter behind freepress.net,
may mean well, but he doesn't show much understanding of how
the Internet operates.  There *never was* "net neutrality."
Most of the Internet is private property.  It was designed
from the beginning to evade common carrier regulation, and that
aspect of the design has been successful.
It wasn't 74 congresscritters who sold us out last week,
it was thousands of city governments who granted local service
monopolies and free easements to the cable and phone
companies over the thirty years that the Internet was being
built.  This horse was gone long before the barn was built,
and now Silver wants the FCC to lock the barn door.

The FCC tested Silver's half-baked theory, and Comcast took
them to court and cleaned FCC's clock, as anyone who understands
the issues would have expected.  Even a loony-tunes Fascist
court can figure out a simple case like that one.

If they want to restore competition and guarantee fair access,
which is a much more reasonable goal than "net neutrality",
it's going to take thousands of eminent domain actions to
revoke all those easements.  That would be a good thing,
in my opinion, but it's not going to happen in a nation like
the US where property rights usually trump all other rights.

A more reasonable approach would be to create a net
"above the net", where you bypass politically motivated
network outages by going through proxy services.
That's how the Chinese and Iranians use Youtube and
Amnesty International.  If you're too lazy to find a proxy,
you didn't want to see those sites that badly.

It hasn't happened in the west
because there hasn't been much politically motivated
network interference.   There was one case where AT&T blocked
a site that criticized them.  The Internet routes around damage,
and it interprets censorship as damage.  I expect it
will just keep working that way.  Should politically motivated
web site blocking become a real problem, it will create
a market for user-friendly web proxy services, just as it has
in China, and hobbyists and entrepreneurs will build the net
above the net, a route around their damage.  I imagine that's
why AT&T and Comcast *aren't* blocking web sites they don't
like, because they don't want to stimulate the proxy business.


-Cameron in San Jose




From AlexCathy at aol.com  Sun Jun  6 07:31:55 2010
From: AlexCathy at aol.com (Alex Walker)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:31:55 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 74 Democrats sold you out to AT&T,
	Verizon and Comcast.
In-Reply-To: <20100606050622.18AF46A988@truffula.sj.ca.us>
References: <20100606050622.18AF46A988@truffula.sj.ca.us>
Message-ID: <6951B1E5-D2FA-4F1E-86FF-855D1F65D5D3@aol.com>

Cameron, your analysis of this issue is very important. You should submit it as an op-Ed. Since this is one of those rare instances where the Green position is on the same side as the "Silicon Valley" big boys, maybe even the "Murky News" would print it.


Sent from my iPad

On Jun 5, 2010, at 10:06 PM, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) wrote:

> 
> Corporations block Internet traffic every day.
> Every millisecond.  It's a vital part of keeping the network
> running.
> 
> There's a torrent of "harmful traffic" blasting from hundreds of
> millions of PCs and web servers worldwide.  They're infested
> with every kind of malicious software.  Over half the
> PCs in people's homes worldwide are compromised.
> They're organized by the hundreds of thousands into botnets.
> You can rent a botnet by the hour to commit any crimes
> you want.
> 
> They're sending phish spam, in hopes of stealing your
> identity, your bank account, and your retirement savings.
> They're guessing passwords in hopes of stealing your
> email account, to send spam from it.  They're advertising
> counterfeit drugs for sale through web servers they've
> hijacked.  They're selling porn and mail-order brides.
> 
> There are even hobbyists who trade and collect videos recorded
> in the back rows of movie theaters or ripped from DVDs,
> consuming hundreds of times more bandwidth than everybody
> else, and degrading the service for the normal users.
> One such hobbyist forced the San Jose Peace Center off
> line until we encrypted its Wifi service and blocked his
> harmful traffic.  That's why there's a WEP key there now.
> 
> Everybody from *me* to Comcast and Time Warner America Online
> do our best to block that crap.
> 
> If we stopped blocking harmful traffic, most email servers
> worldwide would crash within a few minutes.  Enough web servers
> would be compromised that most people would be unable to
> use the Web, because most people are using Microsoft,
> and it's vulnerable to attack by compromised web sites.
> 
> 
>> This appears to me that the corporations would grab immense power if 
>> they could "block internet traffic."
> 
>> I signed the petition.
> 
> I didn't.  Josh Silver, the promoter behind freepress.net,
> may mean well, but he doesn't show much understanding of how
> the Internet operates.  There *never was* "net neutrality."
> Most of the Internet is private property.  It was designed
> from the beginning to evade common carrier regulation, and that
> aspect of the design has been successful.
> It wasn't 74 congresscritters who sold us out last week,
> it was thousands of city governments who granted local service
> monopolies and free easements to the cable and phone
> companies over the thirty years that the Internet was being
> built.  This horse was gone long before the barn was built,
> and now Silver wants the FCC to lock the barn door.
> 
> The FCC tested Silver's half-baked theory, and Comcast took
> them to court and cleaned FCC's clock, as anyone who understands
> the issues would have expected.  Even a loony-tunes Fascist
> court can figure out a simple case like that one.
> 
> If they want to restore competition and guarantee fair access,
> which is a much more reasonable goal than "net neutrality",
> it's going to take thousands of eminent domain actions to
> revoke all those easements.  That would be a good thing,
> in my opinion, but it's not going to happen in a nation like
> the US where property rights usually trump all other rights.
> 
> A more reasonable approach would be to create a net
> "above the net", where you bypass politically motivated
> network outages by going through proxy services.
> That's how the Chinese and Iranians use Youtube and
> Amnesty International.  If you're too lazy to find a proxy,
> you didn't want to see those sites that badly.
> 
> It hasn't happened in the west
> because there hasn't been much politically motivated
> network interference.   There was one case where AT&T blocked
> a site that criticized them.  The Internet routes around damage,
> and it interprets censorship as damage.  I expect it
> will just keep working that way.  Should politically motivated
> web site blocking become a real problem, it will create
> a market for user-friendly web proxy services, just as it has
> in China, and hobbyists and entrepreneurs will build the net
> above the net, a route around their damage.  I imagine that's
> why AT&T and Comcast *aren't* blocking web sites they don't
> like, because they don't want to stimulate the proxy business.
> 
> 
> -Cameron in San Jose
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 


From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Jun  6 08:26:52 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:26:52 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 74 Democrats sold you out to AT&T,
 Verizon and Comcast.
In-Reply-To: <6951B1E5-D2FA-4F1E-86FF-855D1F65D5D3@aol.com>
References: <20100606050622.18AF46A988@truffula.sj.ca.us>
	<6951B1E5-D2FA-4F1E-86FF-855D1F65D5D3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4C0BBE3C.8080204@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Cameron:


       Have you shared this with Robert McChensey and groups like 
"freepress.net"?


       Do you agree that the costs of telecommunications including cable 
television, local and long distance telephone?  Do you agree also that 
the rates for any organization with a local, government blessed monopoly 
have been increasing faster than inflation -- while consumers have 
benefited where there has been honest competition?  Am I correct that 
this is how Southwestern Bell got the money to buy AT&T and how Comcast 
has gotten the money to buy this enlarged AT&T?  I think we could find 
collaborators to do the research required to show this.


       I don't think the situation is as hopeless as you describe.  With 
solid research establishing how much Comcast customers are paying for 
Comcast's monopoly, I think it should be feasible to get organizations 
like freepress.net refocused on activities more likely to be successful 
-- and have an impact if they are.  Local telecommunications monopolies 
and politicians from sea to shining sea are vulnerable on this issue, I 
think, especially if we can translate it into dollars per month that 
people pay Comcast.  And the activist groups don't want to waste their 
time tilting at windmills.


       Comments?
       Spencer


On 6/6/2010 7:31 AM, Alex Walker wrote:
> Cameron, your analysis of this issue is very important. You should submit it as an op-Ed. Since this is one of those rare instances where the Green position is on the same side as the "Silicon Valley" big boys, maybe even the "Murky News" would print it.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 10:06 PM, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) wrote:
>
>    
>> Corporations block Internet traffic every day.
>> Every millisecond.  It's a vital part of keeping the network
>> running.
>>
>> There's a torrent of "harmful traffic" blasting from hundreds of
>> millions of PCs and web servers worldwide.  They're infested
>> with every kind of malicious software.  Over half the
>> PCs in people's homes worldwide are compromised.
>> They're organized by the hundreds of thousands into botnets.
>> You can rent a botnet by the hour to commit any crimes
>> you want.
>>
>> They're sending phish spam, in hopes of stealing your
>> identity, your bank account, and your retirement savings.
>> They're guessing passwords in hopes of stealing your
>> email account, to send spam from it.  They're advertising
>> counterfeit drugs for sale through web servers they've
>> hijacked.  They're selling porn and mail-order brides.
>>
>> There are even hobbyists who trade and collect videos recorded
>> in the back rows of movie theaters or ripped from DVDs,
>> consuming hundreds of times more bandwidth than everybody
>> else, and degrading the service for the normal users.
>> One such hobbyist forced the San Jose Peace Center off
>> line until we encrypted its Wifi service and blocked his
>> harmful traffic.  That's why there's a WEP key there now.
>>
>> Everybody from *me* to Comcast and Time Warner America Online
>> do our best to block that crap.
>>
>> If we stopped blocking harmful traffic, most email servers
>> worldwide would crash within a few minutes.  Enough web servers
>> would be compromised that most people would be unable to
>> use the Web, because most people are using Microsoft,
>> and it's vulnerable to attack by compromised web sites.
>>
>>
>>      
>>> This appears to me that the corporations would grab immense power if
>>> they could "block internet traffic."
>>>        
>>      
>>> I signed the petition.
>>>        
>> I didn't.  Josh Silver, the promoter behind freepress.net,
>> may mean well, but he doesn't show much understanding of how
>> the Internet operates.  There *never was* "net neutrality."
>> Most of the Internet is private property.  It was designed
>> from the beginning to evade common carrier regulation, and that
>> aspect of the design has been successful.
>> It wasn't 74 congresscritters who sold us out last week,
>> it was thousands of city governments who granted local service
>> monopolies and free easements to the cable and phone
>> companies over the thirty years that the Internet was being
>> built.  This horse was gone long before the barn was built,
>> and now Silver wants the FCC to lock the barn door.
>>
>> The FCC tested Silver's half-baked theory, and Comcast took
>> them to court and cleaned FCC's clock, as anyone who understands
>> the issues would have expected.  Even a loony-tunes Fascist
>> court can figure out a simple case like that one.
>>
>> If they want to restore competition and guarantee fair access,
>> which is a much more reasonable goal than "net neutrality",
>> it's going to take thousands of eminent domain actions to
>> revoke all those easements.  That would be a good thing,
>> in my opinion, but it's not going to happen in a nation like
>> the US where property rights usually trump all other rights.
>>
>> A more reasonable approach would be to create a net
>> "above the net", where you bypass politically motivated
>> network outages by going through proxy services.
>> That's how the Chinese and Iranians use Youtube and
>> Amnesty International.  If you're too lazy to find a proxy,
>> you didn't want to see those sites that badly.
>>
>> It hasn't happened in the west
>> because there hasn't been much politically motivated
>> network interference.   There was one case where AT&T blocked
>> a site that criticized them.  The Internet routes around damage,
>> and it interprets censorship as damage.  I expect it
>> will just keep working that way.  Should politically motivated
>> web site blocking become a real problem, it will create
>> a market for user-friendly web proxy services, just as it has
>> in China, and hobbyists and entrepreneurs will build the net
>> above the net, a route around their damage.  I imagine that's
>> why AT&T and Comcast *aren't* blocking web sites they don't
>> like, because they don't want to stimulate the proxy business.
>>
>>
>> -Cameron in San Jose
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>      
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>    

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Sun Jun  6 11:35:12 2010
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Sun,  6 Jun 2010 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 74 Democrats sold you out to AT&T,
	Verizon and Comcast.
Message-ID: <20100606183512.66E3D6A988@truffula.sj.ca.us>


Thanks, Alex.
My position differs from freepress.net's, but I also
differ from "the big boys" and from most Greens I've heard
from on the issue.

A lot of Greens think unlimited Internet
access should be a free government-run service.
A lot of Greens, including the GP-US (and the ACLU, and Moveon.org)
think spamming is just fine, as long as it's for a good cause.  
I get accused of "censorship" for trying to keep my servers
running and the mailing lists usable, at least once a month.

The "big boys" echo the Ayn Rand/Chicago School line, that
there's nothing wrong with a monopoly, unless the government
establishes it, or you abuse it too much.  And even government
established monopolies are okay as long as they're not
regulated too much.  I think monopolies are inherently evil,
and they're also the natural steady state of markets.
That's way outside the boundaries of the Merc's op-ed page.

-Cameron



>From: Alex Walker <AlexCathy at aol.com>
>To: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>
>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 74 Democrats sold you out to AT&T, Verizon and Comcast.
>Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:31:55 -0700
>Cc: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>

>Cameron, your analysis of this issue is very important. You should =
>submit it as an op-Ed. Since this is one of those rare instances where =
>the Green position is on the same side as the "Silicon Valley" big boys, =
>maybe even the "Murky News" would print it.



>On Jun 5, 2010, at 10:06 PM, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) =
>wrote:

>>=20
>> Corporations block Internet traffic every day.
>> Every millisecond.  It's a vital part of keeping the network
>> running.


From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Sun Jun  6 14:17:06 2010
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Sun,  6 Jun 2010 14:17:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 74 Democrats sold you out to AT&T,
	Verizon and Comcast.
Message-ID: <20100606211706.E4F9A6A988@truffula.sj.ca.us>


>X-Original-To: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us
>Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:26:52 -0700
>From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>To: Alex Walker <AlexCathy at aol.com>
>CC: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <cls at truffula.sj.ca.us>, 
> "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 74 Democrats sold you out to AT&T,^IVerizon
> and Comcast.

>Hi, Cameron:


>       Have you shared this with Robert McChensey

You're welcome to.  I never try to convince professors of
journalism that they've made a mistake or overlooked something.
The name for that is pissing into the wind.

There's an op-ed from Lawrence Lessig and Robert W. McChesney
in the Washinton Post, June 2006.  "The protections that guaranteed
network neutrality have been law since the birth of the Internet --
right up until last year, when the Federal Communications Commission
eliminated the rules..."  Law?  Really?  What law was that?
DSL service had some regulations before 2005, but they were meaningless
because they didn't apply past the DSL link itself, and they
never applied to cable at all.  Your DSL company has always been
allowed to block anything it cares to, they just have to do it
at the switching office, not at the DSLAM near your house.
Lessig's a genius and a saint, but anybody can make a mistake.

The "network neutrality" they talk about is a custom and a
tradition, and it stuck around after the consumer entertainment
companies took over because they didn't have the tools to do
much else.  (Comcast couldn't even manage those file sharing
hobbyists competently.)  Now they do.


> and groups like "freepress.net"?

Freepress is so dug in behind its false history of "network neutrality"
(that is, that it ever had the force of law) that it would be suicide
for them to backtrack on it.  They'd lose all credibility.
Nonprofits that raise money due to their reputation for expertise
are frozen into whatever mistakes they've made, and they see any
outside attempt to inform or correct as a threat or an attack.
That's why the ACLU won't apologize for its idiotic opinion that
spamming is "free speech", which led to legalizing spamming in the US.
Somebody's career depends on it.


>       Do you agree that the costs of telecommunications including cable 
>television, local and long distance telephone?

Huh?  Can't parse that.


> Do you agree also that 
>the rates for any organization with a local, government blessed monopoly 
>have been increasing faster than inflation -- while consumers have 
>benefited where there has been honest competition? 

Of course consumers benefit from commercial competition.  Cable TV is
way cheaper and better in those few cities that haven't granted a
monopoly to one operator.  But "honest competition" is a slippery thing.
For the first few years of DSL service, the telcos were selling it
well below cost.  Were they dumping, or trying to establish a market?
All the while, the cost of sending a byte across
the country has been plummeting, so that now they've driven most
of the competition out and they make a profit on DSL.


>Am I correct that 
>this is how Southwestern Bell got the money to buy AT&T and how Comcast 
>has gotten the money to buy this enlarged AT&T?  I think we could find 
>collaborators to do the research required to show this.

Mergers and acquisitions are seldom what they seem.  They're
structured to create tax dodges.  Legally, SBC "bought" AT&T,
but on the ground it was just one more of a series of mergers
undoing the antitrust breakup of the original AT&T.
If they'd have paid less taxes that way, they would have structured
the deal so that AT&T was "buying" SBC.

This was all part of the 1996 Clinton-Gore deal where the baby bells
got to sell long distance voice in exchange for allowing their
competitors into their switching centers.  Gore wanted this because
the US was way behind nations like Finland and South Korea in
"high speed" (anything faster than dial-up) residential access.

Of course the actual result of the Clinton-Gore deal was that
the baby bells stopped building "central office" space, so 
there wasn't much room for Covad and Telocity and the rest,
and built out DSL in micro-POPs and streetcorner DSLAMs instead,
that weren't covered by the '96 space sharing deal.



>       I don't think the situation is as hopeless as you describe.  With 
>solid research establishing how much Comcast customers are paying for 
>Comcast's monopoly,

I don't think that's the point.  Comcast may be gouging for television
service, but their Internet access is dirt cheap.  You get more than
4 Mbps most of the time, for under $60 per month.  There's just no
service level guarantee, and consumers grumble but they vote for that
with their dollars.  If you want that same bandwidth with a service level
agreement and good customer service, you're going to pay ten times
that much.  This squabble isn't about the cost, it's about whether
Comcast is going to discriminate against information sources for
commercial or political reasons.

I don't give a damn what they charge for TV service.  Cable TV
is a luxury I choose not to purchase.  400 channels of bread and
circuses.  Internet access is becoming a necessity like water and
electricity.

I *suspect* Comcast is selling Internet service well below the cost
to provide it.  That may be the reason for the "triple play": by
bundling tv and voice integration, they obscure the price and cost
of the Internet access service alone, so they can't be nailed for
dumping.  That should be illegal.  We need a new antitrust law,
one written for the information age, not for steam railways.
Without that, the FCC is just going to keep losing its court cases,
and we get ever closer to being serfs of McMicroDisneySoft and
Omni Consumer Products.


>I think it should be feasible to get organizations 
>like freepress.net refocused

You go ahead and try that.  Let me know how far you get.


-Cameron



>>
>> On Jun 5, 2010, at 10:06 PM, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> Corporations block Internet traffic every day.
>>> Every millisecond.  It's a vital part of keeping the network
>>> running.
>>>
>>> If we stopped blocking harmful traffic, most email servers
>>> worldwide would crash within a few minutes.  Enough web servers
>>> would be compromised that most people would be unable to
>>> use the Web, because most people are using Microsoft,
>>> and it's vulnerable to attack by compromised web sites.



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 15:18:05 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:18:05 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NYT Calls for Investigation of Human Experimenter
	Torturers
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    Editorial endorses Physicians for Human Rights's call for "the White House and Congress 
to investigate the potentially illegal human experimentation and whether 
those who authorized 
or conducted it should be punished."

    The NYT adds:  "Those are just two of the many unresolved issues from the Bush 

administration that President Obama and Congressional leaders have swept
 under the carpet."


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/opinion/08tue1.html

		 		 	   		  
 		 	   		  
 		 	   		  
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  9 08:11:43 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 08:11:43 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Reversing Global Warming & Nuclear Proliferation"
Message-ID: <4C0FAF2F.9020607@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Free presentation TODAY, (Wed), at 7:30 PM
at the UU Church in Palo Alto.

"Reversing Global Warming & Nuclear Proliferation"

      http://www.acterra.org/calendar/june.html

(About how thorium reactors can reduce CO2
production AND nuclear waste.)

Gerry




From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Jun  9 12:31:18 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 12:31:18 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [TASC Notes:] Wind Power Anywhere]
Message-ID: <4C0FEC06.6000700@aceweb.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[TASC Notes:] Wind Power Anywhere
Date: 	Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:54:49 EDT
From: 	TNHarter at aol.com
To: 	undisclosed-recipients:;




>
>
>
> *Fred
> Ferguson                                                                                                                    *
> *Wind Power Anywhere
> *
>  
> Fred Ferguson, is founder and CTO of Magenn Power Inc., and the
> inventor of Magenn Power's high altitude wind turbine, the Magenn Air
> Rotor System or MARS. MARS is a lighter-than-air tethered wind turbine
> that rotates about a horizontal axis in response to wind, generating
> electrical energy. The electrical energy is transferred down the
> 1000-foot tether for immediate use, or to a set of batteries for later
> use, or to the power grid.
>  
> Fred, who was recently featured on the Discovery Channel's/ Project
> Earth/ series, will describe MARS as a Wind Power Anywhere? solution
> and its advantages over existing conventional wind turbines and diesel
> based energy generating systems. If time permits, Fred will also talk
> about his incubator company 'FTI' that prototypes new energy and
> advanced technology inventions, such as advanced airships and an
> underwater version of the Magenn type of turbine.
>
>
>
> Fred began by explaining that he is a descendant of Samuel Morse, the
> guy that invented Morse Code, who probably gave him the inventive
> genes. He started in technology working on printer technology for the
> newspaper publishing industry. He left that industry upon his success
> of designing and developing an automated pre-press system to help the
> newspaper industry. From this he pursued an ambition to broaden his
> scope into commercial development of technologies on an global scale. 
>
> Since then he has worked on lighter than air craft of various types,
> something that has taken about thirty years so far.  For the Star Wars
> project back in the '80s he developed a series of high altitude
> geostationary observation blimps. Walrus airships for Lockheed were an
> off-shoot of that. Since then he's done some work on cargo blimps.
> Making something a cost effective transportation system is a big
> challenge, because nobody wants to pay more to do something they can
> already do for a reasonable price. So far they haven't designed a
> blimp that will really move cargo cheaply.
>
> Fred came across some information about California's brown outs
> waiting in a dentist's office about half a dozen years ago. He started
> thinking about how to get power from a tethered airship, and has since
> developed the magenn airships to do exactly that. He showed us
> pictures of the things. They're symmetrical blimps with three vanes
> running the length of the body to scoop air that are tethered from
> both ends so they can rotate around the axle. The tether has vanes on
> it to orient the rotating balloon into the wind. Fred explained that
> the tether should be about 1000 feet long, because the winds are much
> more constant that high up. The thing should be filled with Helium,
> and big enough to support all that cable and the generator. The
> smallest Magenn Rotors such as the one in the picture is at least 18
> feet in diameter, and the largest over 100 feet or longer than that.
>
> The technology scales well. The price sheet shows models ranging from
> 4 to 1600 kW in size. Fred explained that they have done quite a bit
> of prototyping and wind tunnel testing. The company is currently
> building a larger test unit (100 kW) at Moffett Field. He expects to
> be selling units as powerful as the largest windmills for about half
> the price starting late next year (2011). For more information please
> visit magenn.com.
>
> During Q&A the following came up:
>
> Good applications for the technology are places where wiring to the
> grid is cost prohibitive. In South Africa there are lots of mines that
> are currently powered by generators, and the $5/gal. fuel gets
> expensive after a while. A Magenn system can bring that down a lot.
> Another application is villages in India that are far from the power
> grid there. A local grid running on power from a Magenn system would
> be MUCH cheaper to install. India has about 100,000 such villages
> right now.
>
> Balloon tethering technology is mature. We have been doing it since
> the Civil War, when observation balloons were one of the first uses of
> the technology. No significant R&D expense was required in that area.
>
> Helium in the balloons is expected to diffuse out at about a half a
> percent per month. Helium scrubbing is needed every six months or so
> to maintain buoyancy. A Helium charge should last about 16 years.
>
> If the technology is successful there will be issues with Helium
> supply. However, in a lot of the world "Hydrogen" is not a bad word
> for airship buoyancy the way it is in the USA. Hydrogen would work,
> and can be made on the spot very cost effectively. Much of the world
> isn't bothered by the Hydrogen risks the way Americans are.
>
> Fred would love to make a backpack portable unit that could be
> parachuted into disaster zones and deployed to provide power for
> communications or whatever. In Iraq U.S. contractors have to pay
> $100/Gallon for generator fuel. That makes these generators very
> competitive.
>
> Similar kinds of rotors can be used to get power from tidal currents
> in sea water that are moving as slowly as one mile per hour.
>
> Tian Harter

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From alexcathy at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 13:15:41 2010
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:15:41 -0400
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] My Post on GreenChange.org About "Identity Politics"
Message-ID: <8CCD6F0D579FA3F-2664-362D@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>


 Dear Green Friends,  

When Deacon Alexander declared his candidacy for the Green Party nomination for governor of California, the blind, unreasoning, knee-jerk reaction of certain individuals was to "racialize" the election.  They have this blind, unreasoning, knee-jerk reaction, not because they are bad people and bad Greens, but because this is the way Republicans and Democrats have taught them to "do politics" in America all their lives.  

I said nothing about it at the time, because I did not want to make things worse by appearing to take sides in a fake conflict between Deacon and Laura.  

Well, now just as our primary election has ended, I read something on the New York Times that convinced me that I should speak my mind about certain unfortunate syndrome I have seen taking hold of my Green Party.  Accordingly, I have posted the blog entry below to GreenChange.org hoping it will be read my mostly Green Party activists and any damage from "airing our dirty laundry" in public will be minimized.  If you want to comment, then please log into GreenChange.org and leave a comment.  

Alex Walker
Los Angeles Greens 

= = = = = = = = 

http://network.greenchange.org/news/18193-new-york-burns-while-gpbc-fiddles

Posted on GreenChange.org, June 10, 2010
New York Burns While GPBC Fiddles 
by Alex Walker

The New York Times reports New York State on the brink of chaos because Democrats and Republicans can't agree on budget. What are N.Y. Black Greens buzzing about? Silly "Identity Politics!" 


The New York Times reports that the Empire State of New York is on the brink of chaos because of the inability of Democratic Gov. David Paterson and the state legislature's Republican - Democratic members to agree on a state budget for the fiscal year that began April 1, 2010.  According to the NYT,  courts, parks, highway rest stops, and the processing of Medicaid benefits may stop because of this idiotic partisan impasse.

I am an African-American Green Party activist in Los Angeles.  I lived in New York from 1981 to 1993 when New York's "liberal" Governor Mario Cuomo was making great progressive speeches on television while quietly implementing "Reaganomics" at home. Anyone who has been paying attention ought to know that this tired old "Blacks versus Jews" thing has been a "trick bag" that the Establishment has been using since Norman Podhoretz and James Baldwin debated the question in the 1960s (see "Negroes Are Anti-Semitic Because They're Anti-White" by James Baldwin, New York Times Magazine, April 9, 1967). 

I subscribe to the list for the Green Party Black Caucus.  At a time like this, is it unreasonable to expect New York Greens would be shouting from the rooftops in Harlem, Brooklyn, and the Bronx about how our dysfunctional, money-driven, corporate Republicans and Democrats are literally killing people?    

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/nyregion/10shutdown.html 

Published by the New York Times, 06/09/2010
Parties Clash as Albany Edges Closer to Shutdown
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE


ALBANY -- State officials began preparing on Wednesday for what they said would be the first government shutdown in New York history as prospects for the passage of another emergency budget bill grew cloudy. 

Democratic and Republican legislative leaders engaged in an acrimonious public meeting in the Capitol with Gov. David A. Paterson. Republicans charged that they had been shut out of negotiations, and Democrats insisted that the Republicans shoulder some responsibility for averting a shutdown.

With no agreement yet reached on a budget for the fiscal year that began April 1, the state has been relying on a series of emergency bills to stay in operation. But Republicans have voted uniformly against the last three bills. After the last vote, two Democratic senators said they would oppose the next emergency bill, suggesting that Senate leaders might not be able to muster enough votes to pass it. 

. . .

Without the ability to pay workers or even guarantee their salaries in the future, officials said, they could be forced to close down state agencies immediately after the last emergency bill expires on Monday. Administration officials said they were still searching for a legal mechanism to continue financing essential public safety services, like prisons and the State Police.

But courtrooms, parks, highway rest stops and even the state terrorism hot line could all close. A shutdown could also affect some county and local workers, like those who administer Medicaid benefits. Though such workers are employed by the counties, they must gain access to state computer systems to process claims.

. . .



= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 

So, pray tell, what has been the "buzz" on the Green Party Black Caucus e-list out of New York?  

For several days there has been a tremendous amount of "Bad Vibes" over a committee set up by the Bronx G.P. to investigate claims of Antisemitism by Cynthia McKinney based on a report by the Southern Poverty Law Center published last year.  

Here are excerpts from what I have read in my email: 


"During the conference, McKinney posed for pictures with attendees Michele Renouf, a Holocaust denier and anti-Semite, and David Pidcock, an antiSemitic and antiMasonic conspiracy theorist..." 

"You arrogant bastard.  That is the other reason why the Green Party is a joke... What in the hell do you have to be so damn superior about?  ... I ain't one of your Black tokens..."

"...Florence Gold and Bob Gumbs are doing a hatchet job on the Green Party, engaging in a smear campaign which serves the interests only of the Democratic Party machine..." 

"...I myself question staying in this party due to its ability to be manipulated by unapologetic racist Zionists like Mike Feinstein and Sanda Everette..." 


This is crazy.  

It's appropriate to consider the question of anti-Semitism (particularly since we know the charge will be used against us).  But this is a serious and sensitive question that ought to be dealt with seriously with sensitivity.  This latest example of gratuitously mean and divisive language is a poster boy for my argument that little "caucuses" of groups organized solely on the basis of "identity politics" are not good for progressive organizing in 2010.  It has been my experience in many years in civil rights and peace groups that, despite the best intentions of the best people who set these groups up, all caucuses based on "identity politics" degenerate in this way.

I have personally known and worked with Mike Feinstein of the California Green Party for several years.  Mike has his faults, but being a "racist Zionist" is not one of them.  This is the kind of creepy, over-the-top, irresponsible exaggeration that some people evidently think is the only way to express the intensity of their view of any given question.  Thus, when my friend Deacon Alexander, longtime activist in Watts here in L.A., announced his challenge of Laura Wells for the Green Party nomination for California governor, the blind, unreasoning, knee-jerk reaction of certain contributors to the GPBC list was to invent a "racist" conspiracy to shut up Brother Deacon.  

I said nothing at the time, because I was supporting Deacon and I did not want people to get the impression that I was criticizing him.  Now that the California primary is over, I will speak my mind by publicly and emphatically declaring such talk is nonsense.  I spoke with Greens all around California and I never heard anybody say anything bad about Deacon.  In fact, he impressed people everywhere he went.  The trouble was that California is a big state and Deacon couldn't be everywhere.  Laura Wells had an advantage, not because Sister Laura is "White," but because Laura had run very well before on the state ticket as our candidate for State Controller. In fact, I first met Laura Wells in 2002 the same time I first met Donna Warren, our Green Party candidate for Lieutenant Governor.  Donna would have enjoyed the same advantage had she chosen to reenter the fray this year.  Deacon is a good man who deserves better treatment than he got at the hands of his "supporters." For what it's worth, our contested election generated more than the usual interest for a Green Party primary and I think we'll have a stronger campaign in the Fall.     

Why do people say and write mean, hurtful, divisive things like "unapologetic racist Zionists like Mike Feinstein" and spread it all over the country on a national e-list?  They do it because it makes them "feel good" and makes them "feel important" as if this stuff is really some kind of "revolutionary" action.  And they don't care if it hurts this party because, deep down, they don't really believe the Green Party can be a "serious" political party.  It's like when people plan a rational protest of President Obama and Congress bailing out Wall Street banks and a few "nuts" show up with guns, Confederate flags, and racist signs depicting Obama as an ape.       

"Identity politics" degenerates in this way because the only reason for certain "Identity" groups to exist is the idea that the differences between "people like us" and "people like them" is so much greater and more important than the values we share and so much greater and more important than the differences we have with others who are "people like us."  Accordingly, we have to devote a lot of energy to endlessly underlining, circling, and highlighting those differences, otherwise our little group would have no reason to exist.  In the 1960s and 1970s the "liberal" Democrats encouraged and even subsidized this kind of politics as a kind of "ghetto" for the rising generation of radical activists in communities of color.  

This may have been expedient in 1965 or 1970, but, it's a lousy way to organize in 2010.  It is instructive that one of the main contributors to over-the-top words on the GPBC list has just recently demonstrated a a "soft spot" for Colin Powell. The idea is that Colin Powell and Condi Rice are "black."  They are "people like us."  Therefore, the similarity between Powell, Rice, and Alex Walker, is presumed to be greater and more important than my shared values with people like, say, Dennis Kucinich and Cindy Sheehan.  Therefore, I should give "Brother" Colin and "Sister" Condi a break while being eternally vigilant for telltale signs of "white privilege" emanating from "Mr." Kucinich and "Ms." Sheehan.  

I cannot help it if some people "feel" that way, but it is an emotion and a political ideology that I do not share.  I detest Colin Powell and Condi Rice and the fact that those two were "The First Black" war criminals to serve as Secretaries of State means nothing to me.  

We Greens say the Tutsi and the Hutu should set aside their differences in Rwanda.  We Greens say Israelis and Palestinians should set aside their differences in that unhappy, "unholy" land and that Israeli Jews should make a tremendous leap of faith in democracy and consider, not only a "2 State Solution" but even a "1 State Solution."  We Greens say citizens of the U.S.A. Should set aside their differences with Mexicans and Canadians.  We say "No Human Being is Illegal!"  

I agree.

That's why I joined the Green Party in the first place.  But who are we to say these things when we cannot even have a civil discussion among ourselves?

 


 


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 11 00:03:46 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:03:46 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "The Progressive Politics of Happiness"
Message-ID: <4C11DFD2.6060503@earthlink.net>



"The Progressive Politics of Happiness"

(About how values leading to happiness are progressive values.)

      http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/06/10-11

Gerry




From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 11 08:46:14 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:46:14 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Community Banking
Message-ID: <BAY140-W5E1E08F2567EEBAE580849ED90@phx.gbl>



   The Say No the Abusive Banks program is busting out all over!

   I received an email from Democracy for America indicating that in one week they've
gotten 6,500 members to pledge to move $400 million into local banks and credit 
unions.   On July 4 weekend, ?Declare Your Independence from the 
Big Banks? 
rallies will be held.  They're looking for organizers.  
 http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/352

    
http://moveyourmoney.info/

   Last night KDFC radio aired a PSA about an outfit advocating community banking,
IBankLocal.org.    http://www.ibanklocal.org/

   

 		 	   		  
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 11 10:37:07 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:37:07 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] ARCO and am-pm mini-mart are BP
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Boycott underway: http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/343?ekicker

If anyone lives near one, it's a target of opportunity for informational picketing.

Also, BP stole the green sunflower logo (they call it a "helios") in 2000.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP

When the 27 German Greens entered the Bundestag (Parliament) in 1983 they 
carried sunflowers.   http://gput.org/


The current sunflower logo was reportedly designed by Lory Kaufman in 1998.

http://www.piepalace.ca/blog/2006/08/what-is-that-logo-supposed-to-be.html






 		 	   		  
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 11 18:36:04 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:36:04 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] BP, censorship, and Saturday protest?
Message-ID: <4C12E484.4000900@earthlink.net>


Here is an article about BP and censorship.
At the end is a bad/broken link about protests tomorrow?!?


"From the Ground: BP Censoring Media, Destroying Evidence"

     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/06/11-9

When I search for "Worldwide BP Protest" I get a lot of hits
and info about many protests tomorrow.  Including one in
Santa Cruz and one in Concord.  Is there one closer?

Apparently there already was one in San Francisco.


Gerry




From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sat Jun 12 00:47:21 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:47:21 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
Message-ID: <4C133B89.3060506@aceweb.com>

A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.

I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:

http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 13 22:11:00 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:11:00 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The Curse of Gold
Message-ID: <BAY140-W285ABF912B004C36DCA9EE9EDC0@phx.gbl>



   Afghanistan is sitting on a trillion dollars in mineral resources--iron, 
copper, cobalt, gold, lithium.  Russian geologists mapped the riches 25 
years ago.  

  
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=1&emc=na



 		 	   		  
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 13 23:52:09 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:52:09 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The Curse of Gold
References: <BAY140-W285ABF912B004C36DCA9EE9EDC0@phx.gbl>
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Brian Good wrote:

> 
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=1&emc=na 
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=1&emc=na>
> 


Very interesting!

Gerry




From tnharter at aceweb.com  Mon Jun 14 16:01:49 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:01:49 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Juneteenth tabling at Plaza de Cesar Chavez
Message-ID: <4C16B4DD.9060706@aceweb.com>

I talked to the organizers. They say we get a table and two chairs
under their shade structure in the park. At 10 AM Saturday they
want us to go to the tent and find the table with our name on it,
and just set up there. The schedule I have at the moment:

Saturday:

10 AM to 12 PM: Michael Ray and Andrea Dorey (Andrea brings tabling kit)
Noon to 2 PM:   Michael Ray and ???
2 PM to 4 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
4 PM to 6 PM:   Tian Harter and ???

Sunday:

10 AM to 12 PM: ??? and ???
Noon to 2 PM:   ??? and ???
2 PM to 4 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
4 PM to 6 PM:   Dale Warner (hopefully, will confirm and Caroline (takes
the tabling kit home)

Please volunteer to fill one or more of the above holes!
-- 
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Now with pictures and words of San Jose's SubZERO and Bike Party ride!


From tnharter at aceweb.com  Mon Jun 14 16:22:22 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:22:22 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The Curse of Gold
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W285ABF912B004C36DCA9EE9EDC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY140-W285ABF912B004C36DCA9EE9EDC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4C16B9AE.5020105@aceweb.com>

I have this Utah Phillips record where he talks about saying to a
graduating class "You have just been called America's greatest resource.
You know what these people do with their resources? RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!"

Another part of me remembers the sordid tale of lead mining in Peru.
For more information on that please visit:
http://savelaoroya.org

I'm hoping the Afghanis have better luck than the Peruvians with their
mines.

Brian Good wrote:
> 
>    Afghanistan is sitting on a trillion dollars in mineral resources--iron,
> copper, cobalt, gold, lithium.  Russian geologists mapped the riches 25
> years ago. 
> 
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=1&emc=na
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?pagewanted=1&emc=na>
> 

-- 
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Now with pictures and words of San Jose's SubZERO and Bike Party ride!


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 14 19:03:43 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:03:43 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Mounties Investigating Rendition and Torture of
	Canadian Citizen
In-Reply-To: <BAY140-W30E3A7C7B5D3C57A60CDF9EDD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY140-W30E3A7C7B5D3C57A60CDF9EDD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY140-W2177A0B53217A4DE4503F99EDD0@phx.gbl>



Today, after SCOTUS refused to hear the CCR's case on behalf of 
torture victim Maher Arar,  Arar and his attorneys announced that the 
Royal Canadian Mounted 
Police (RCMP) has been conducting a criminal investigation into U.S. as 
well as Syrian officials for their role in his rendition to torture. 


http://ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press-releases/canadian-rcmp-conducting-criminal-investigation-u.s.-and-syrian-officials-ma

 		 	   		   		 	   		  
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Jun 14 23:13:27 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:13:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
In-Reply-To: <AA42C07D-BE98-4235-85A3-54B61DCC71AF@cagreens.org>
Message-ID: <852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy to be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to Food 4 Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green people in business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He seems to love to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here. 
?
Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health insurance horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can work for SB810. I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
Caroline

--- On Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:


From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
To: "Caroline Yacoub" <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Cc: "Tian Harter" <tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry Gras" <gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue" <td at studiotom.com>, "Dale Warner" <dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>, "Carol Brouillet" <cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred" <fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes Rolley" <wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM


Wow, Caroline! ?What a great idea! ?


To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market segment. ?What and who would be our audience? ?Greens and wanna be Greens? ?What do they need from us? ?A way to frame each Green issue that makes it superior to anything the two majors are doing? ?To add to the GP juggernaut that we need for our swan song, if that's what Prop 14 hands us?


The horrendous oil spill is an easy one. ?So, I think, is the issue of neverending wars. ?Add to that, the wretched health care system that demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers."?


All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and we've got a winner for a magazine. ?Not so easy, but doable if we put our heads together. ?We need "white papers" from the Green Party: ?we have Fred, Wes, Jim S, and me?all of whom have written articles and flyers for GP issues. ? Add to this the contingent who send emails and monitor what's going on out there like Gerry and Alex who also write. ?Did I miss anyone here?


We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?


We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push our candidates. ?KPFA could provide state bank info and so could Carol Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the recent past.


Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations! ?Some of it would make great humor!


And we could advertise Caroline's creations! ?Green businesses?locally to start.


And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at tabling.


Other ideas?


Did I just scare everyone away? ?<sigh> ?Sorry, it's the freelancer and adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm. ?I'll go away... <mumble, mumble>


Andrea



On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:





Well once again you have done a splendid job of? recording the event. I think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our own editorials and everything.

--- On Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com> wrote:


From: Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
To: "Post South SF Bay discus" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM


A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.

I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:

http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
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sosfbay-discuss mailing list
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Tue Jun 15 02:03:46 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:03:46 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
In-Reply-To: <852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C1741F2.4040402@aceweb.com>

I think if we started by making the front page of our website more like
a magazine cover/table of contents, and got people interested in
visiting at least once a month to catch up on us, that would be a start.

Tian

Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy
> to be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to
> Food 4 Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green
> people in business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He
> seems to love to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>  
> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health
> insurance horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can
> work for SB810. I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
> Caroline
> 
> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey /<andid at cagreens.org>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
>     Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic
>     Expertise...
>     To: "Caroline Yacoub" <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>     Cc: "Tian Harter" <tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry
>     Gras" <gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue" <td at studiotom.com>,
>     "Dale Warner" <dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"
>     <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>, "Carol Brouillet"
>     <cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred" <fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes Rolley"
>     <wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
>     Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
> 
>     Wow, Caroline!  What a great idea!  
> 
>     To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market
>     segment.  What and who would be our audience?  Greens and wanna be
>     Greens?  What do they need from us?  A way to frame each Green issue
>     that makes it superior to anything the two majors are doing?  To add
>     to the GP juggernaut that we need for our swan song, if that's what
>     Prop 14 hands us?
> 
>     The horrendous oil spill is an easy one.  So, I think, is the issue
>     of neverending wars.  Add to that, the wretched health care system
>     that demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers." 
> 
>     All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and
>     we've got a winner for a magazine.  Not so easy, but doable if we
>     put our heads together.  We need "white papers" from the Green
>     Party:  we have Fred, Wes, Jim S, and me?all of whom have written
>     articles and flyers for GP issues.   Add to this the contingent who
>     send emails and monitor what's going on out there like Gerry and
>     Alex who also write.  Did I miss anyone here?
> 
>     We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?
> 
>     We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push
>     our candidates.  KPFA could provide state bank info and so could
>     Carol Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the
>     recent past.
> 
>     Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations!  Some of it
>     would make great humor!
> 
>     And we could advertise Caroline's creations!  Green
>     businesses?locally to start.
> 
>     And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at
>     tabling.
> 
>     Other ideas?
> 
>     Did I just scare everyone away?  <sigh>  Sorry, it's the freelancer
>     and adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm.  I'll
>     go away... <mumble, mumble>
> 
>     Andrea
> 
>     On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> 
>>     Well once again you have done a splendid job of  recording the
>>     event. I think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our
>>     own editorials and everything.
>>
>>     --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter /<tnharter at aceweb.com
>>     <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>>/*
>>     wrote:
>>
>>
>>         From: Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com
>>         <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>>
>>         Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
>>         To: "Post South SF Bay discus" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>         <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>>
>>         Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>>
>>         A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
>>         in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>>
>>         I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
>>
>>         http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
>>         -- 
>>         Tian
>>         http://tian.greens.org <http://tian.greens.org/>
>>         Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
>>         _______________________________________________
>>         sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>         sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>         <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>         http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Now with pictures and words of San Jose's SubZERO and Bike Party ride!


From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Tue Jun 15 03:05:10 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:05:10 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
In-Reply-To: <4C1741F2.4040402@aceweb.com>
References: <852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4C1741F2.4040402@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <4C175056.2080106@prodsyse.com>

       I agree with Tian that our home page could be more like a cover / 
table of contents.  However, rather than a magazine with input 
restricted to insiders, I suggest we create a Green Wiki with Wikinews, 
etc.  If we get Libertarians modifying our stuff, GREAT!  Readers would 
come to watch (and sometimes join) the virtual food fight.  Anyone can 
write a story for Wikinews.  We could allow anyone (even anti-Greens) to 
write a story for our Green Wikinews.  Like the main Wiki and Wikinews, 
if we don't like it, we change it.


       If we get malicious modifications, the Wiki process allows us to 
limit edit rights to only selected individuals.  We control who gets on 
our Wiki editorial staff to referee the action.  People who don't like 
what is said can still provide commentary on "Talk" pages behind each page.


       I think it would be great if we could, at least for some issues, 
split the display into two or three columns:  The right hand column 
would be a right wing perspective.  We might even invite some 
Libertarians to edit that.  With two columns, the left hand side would 
present our perspective.  With three columns, the left hand side could 
be for allegations for which we can't find much evidence -- but which 
are not libelous -- and the middle would be our main position, nuanced 
to either provide references and links, similar to Wikipedia, or 
comments like in Wikipedia, "needs references" -- or calls for honest 
research on such issues.


       Spencer


On 6/15/2010 2:03 AM, Tian Harter wrote:
> I think if we started by making the front page of our website more like
> a magazine cover/table of contents, and got people interested in
> visiting at least once a month to catch up on us, that would be a start.
>
> Tian
>
> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>    
>> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy
>> to be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to
>> Food 4 Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green
>> people in business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He
>> seems to love to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>>
>> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health
>> insurance horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can
>> work for SB810. I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
>> Caroline
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey /<andid at cagreens.org>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>      From: Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>
>>      Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose&  Tian's Graphic
>>      Expertise...
>>      To: "Caroline Yacoub"<carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>      Cc: "Tian Harter"<tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry
>>      Gras"<gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue"<td at studiotom.com>,
>>      "Dale Warner"<dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"
>>      <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>, "Carol Brouillet"
>>      <cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred"<fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes Rolley"
>>      <wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
>>      Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
>>
>>      Wow, Caroline!  What a great idea!
>>
>>      To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market
>>      segment.  What and who would be our audience?  Greens and wanna be
>>      Greens?  What do they need from us?  A way to frame each Green issue
>>      that makes it superior to anything the two majors are doing?  To add
>>      to the GP juggernaut that we need for our swan song, if that's what
>>      Prop 14 hands us?
>>
>>      The horrendous oil spill is an easy one.  So, I think, is the issue
>>      of neverending wars.  Add to that, the wretched health care system
>>      that demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers."
>>
>>      All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and
>>      we've got a winner for a magazine.  Not so easy, but doable if we
>>      put our heads together.  We need "white papers" from the Green
>>      Party:  we have Fred, Wes, Jim S, and me?all of whom have written
>>      articles and flyers for GP issues.   Add to this the contingent who
>>      send emails and monitor what's going on out there like Gerry and
>>      Alex who also write.  Did I miss anyone here?
>>
>>      We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?
>>
>>      We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push
>>      our candidates.  KPFA could provide state bank info and so could
>>      Carol Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the
>>      recent past.
>>
>>      Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations!  Some of it
>>      would make great humor!
>>
>>      And we could advertise Caroline's creations!  Green
>>      businesses?locally to start.
>>
>>      And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at
>>      tabling.
>>
>>      Other ideas?
>>
>>      Did I just scare everyone away?<sigh>   Sorry, it's the freelancer
>>      and adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm.  I'll
>>      go away...<mumble, mumble>
>>
>>      Andrea
>>
>>      On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>
>>      
>>>      Well once again you have done a splendid job of  recording the
>>>      event. I think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our
>>>      own editorials and everything.
>>>
>>>      --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter /<tnharter at aceweb.com
>>>      <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>>/*
>>>      wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>          From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com
>>>          <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>>
>>>          Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
>>>          To: "Post South SF Bay discus"<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>          <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>>
>>>          Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>>>
>>>          A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
>>>          in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>>>
>>>          I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
>>>
>>>          http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
>>>          --
>>>          Tian
>>>          http://tian.greens.org<http://tian.greens.org/>
>>>          Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
>>>          _______________________________________________
>>>          sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>          sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>          <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>>          http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>
>>>        
-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Tue Jun 15 07:05:35 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:05:35 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
In-Reply-To: <4C175056.2080106@prodsyse.com>
References: <852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<4C1741F2.4040402@aceweb.com>
	<4C175056.2080106@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <4C1788AF.6040701@prodsyse.com>

       A "Green Wikinews" could feature Tian's photojournalism alongside 
volunteer reports of meetings of local political bodies like the San 
Jose City Council, the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors, school 
boards, etc.  The Wiki format would make it easy for people with 
different perspectives to be heard.  Discussions of controversial issues 
might ultimately get locked, with flames being directed to "talk pages", 
and edits to the main discussion of the event or issue would be made by 
designated editors, selected for their ability to describe each side 
fairly with balance, referencing available evidence, research, etc., 
recognizing that apparently solid research can be misinterpreted or even 
fraudulent.  We could also invite people to post comments on 
"moveon.org", the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, etc.  If someone posts right 
wing comments, someone else can edit such to tone down the rhetoric and 
respectfully add references to sources that provide solid evidence 
contradicting the claims.


       Spencer


##################
On 6/15/2010 3:05 AM, spencerg wrote:
>       I agree with Tian that our home page could be more like a cover 
> / table of contents.  However, rather than a magazine with input 
> restricted to insiders, I suggest we create a Green Wiki with 
> Wikinews, etc.  If we get Libertarians modifying our stuff, GREAT!  
> Readers would come to watch (and sometimes join) the virtual food 
> fight.  Anyone can write a story for Wikinews.  We could allow anyone 
> (even anti-Greens) to write a story for our Green Wikinews.  Like the 
> main Wiki and Wikinews, if we don't like it, we change it.
>
>
>       If we get malicious modifications, the Wiki process allows us to 
> limit edit rights to only selected individuals.  We control who gets 
> on our Wiki editorial staff to referee the action.  People who don't 
> like what is said can still provide commentary on "Talk" pages behind 
> each page.
>
>
>       I think it would be great if we could, at least for some issues, 
> split the display into two or three columns:  The right hand column 
> would be a right wing perspective.  We might even invite some 
> Libertarians to edit that.  With two columns, the left hand side would 
> present our perspective.  With three columns, the left hand side could 
> be for allegations for which we can't find much evidence -- but which 
> are not libelous -- and the middle would be our main position, nuanced 
> to either provide references and links, similar to Wikipedia, or 
> comments like in Wikipedia, "needs references" -- or calls for honest 
> research on such issues.
>
>
>       Spencer
>
>
> On 6/15/2010 2:03 AM, Tian Harter wrote:
>> I think if we started by making the front page of our website more like
>> a magazine cover/table of contents, and got people interested in
>> visiting at least once a month to catch up on us, that would be a start.
>>
>> Tian
>>
>> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy
>>> to be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who 
>>> came to
>>> Food 4 Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green
>>> people in business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He
>>> seems to love to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>>>
>>> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health
>>> insurance horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can
>>> work for SB810. I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
>>> Caroline
>>>
>>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey /<andid at cagreens.org>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      From: Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>
>>>      Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose&  Tian's Graphic
>>>      Expertise...
>>>      To: "Caroline Yacoub"<carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>>      Cc: "Tian Harter"<tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry
>>>      Gras"<gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue"<td at studiotom.com>,
>>>      "Dale Warner"<dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"
>>> <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>, "Carol Brouillet"
>>> <cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred"<fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes Rolley"
>>> <wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
>>>      Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
>>>
>>>      Wow, Caroline!  What a great idea!
>>>
>>>      To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market
>>>      segment.  What and who would be our audience?  Greens and wanna be
>>>      Greens?  What do they need from us?  A way to frame each Green 
>>> issue
>>>      that makes it superior to anything the two majors are doing?  
>>> To add
>>>      to the GP juggernaut that we need for our swan song, if that's 
>>> what
>>>      Prop 14 hands us?
>>>
>>>      The horrendous oil spill is an easy one.  So, I think, is the 
>>> issue
>>>      of neverending wars.  Add to that, the wretched health care system
>>>      that demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers."
>>>
>>>      All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and
>>>      we've got a winner for a magazine.  Not so easy, but doable if we
>>>      put our heads together.  We need "white papers" from the Green
>>>      Party:  we have Fred, Wes, Jim S, and me?all of whom have written
>>>      articles and flyers for GP issues.   Add to this the contingent 
>>> who
>>>      send emails and monitor what's going on out there like Gerry and
>>>      Alex who also write.  Did I miss anyone here?
>>>
>>>      We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get 
>>> published?
>>>
>>>      We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to 
>>> push
>>>      our candidates.  KPFA could provide state bank info and so could
>>>      Carol Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered 
>>> in the
>>>      recent past.
>>>
>>>      Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations!  Some of it
>>>      would make great humor!
>>>
>>>      And we could advertise Caroline's creations!  Green
>>>      businesses?locally to start.
>>>
>>>      And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at
>>>      tabling.
>>>
>>>      Other ideas?
>>>
>>>      Did I just scare everyone away?<sigh>   Sorry, it's the freelancer
>>>      and adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm.  
>>> I'll
>>>      go away...<mumble, mumble>
>>>
>>>      Andrea
>>>
>>>      On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>
>>>>      Well once again you have done a splendid job of  recording the
>>>>      event. I think we should start a magazine. Then we could write 
>>>> our
>>>>      own editorials and everything.
>>>>
>>>>      --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter /<tnharter at aceweb.com
>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>>/*
>>>>      wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com
>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>>
>>>>          Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
>>>>          To: "Post South SF Bay discus"<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>> 
>>>>
>>>>          Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>>>>
>>>>          A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from 
>>>> Sub Zero
>>>>          in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>>>>
>>>>          I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
>>>>
>>>>          http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
>>>>          --
>>>>          Tian
>>>>          http://tian.greens.org<http://tian.greens.org/>
>>>>          Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's 
>>>> wedding.
>>>>          _______________________________________________
>>>>          sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>          sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Tue Jun 15 08:19:52 2010
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
Message-ID: <20100615151952.219156A911@truffula.sj.ca.us>


>I suggest we create a Green Wiki with Wikinews, 

We already have our own public Wiki.  I suggest we retain
control of our own content, instead of trusting it to a
trendy Web 2.0 startup that could die or get swallowed by
Newscorp tomorrow.  Drop me a line and I'll get you started.
Make a GP of SCC page there and we can frame it on the page
we have now.  Go Spencer go!

-Cameron



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Tue Jun 15 13:06:03 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:06:03 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Juneteenth tabling at Plaza de Cesar Chavez
In-Reply-To: <4C16B4DD.9060706@aceweb.com>
References: <4C16B4DD.9060706@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <4C17DD2B.7030608@aceweb.com>

The updated schedule:

> Saturday:
>
> 10 AM to 2 PM: Andrea Dorey and ???
> 2 PM to 6 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
> 3 PM to 6 PM:   Tian Harter and Merriam Kathleen
>
> Sunday:
>
> 10 AM to 2 PM: Jim Stauffer and ???
> 2 PM to 4 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
> 4 PM to 6 PM:  Tian and Caroline Yacoub (takes the tabling kit home)
>
Please volunteer to fill one or more of the above holes!

I'm going to get sunburn if I work all the shifts I'm signed up for.


Tian Harter wrote:
> I talked to the organizers. They say we get a table and two chairs
> under their shade structure in the park. At 10 AM Saturday they
> want us to go to the tent and find the table with our name on it,
> and just set up there. The schedule I have at the moment:
> 
> Saturday:
> 
> 10 AM to 12 PM: Michael Ray and Andrea Dorey (Andrea brings tabling kit)
> Noon to 2 PM:   Michael Ray and ???
> 2 PM to 4 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
> 4 PM to 6 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
> 
> Sunday:
> 
> 10 AM to 12 PM: ??? and ???
> Noon to 2 PM:   ??? and ???
> 2 PM to 4 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
> 4 PM to 6 PM:   Dale Warner (hopefully, will confirm and Caroline (takes
> the tabling kit home)
> 
> Please volunteer to fill one or more of the above holes!

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Now with pictures and words of San Jose's SubZERO and Bike Party ride!


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 15 20:45:24 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:45:24 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Whither GPCA?
Message-ID: <BAY140-W870951294E850456795499EDE0@phx.gbl>



  Some suggested that passage of Prop 14 would destroy GPCA.  It passed.  Is there a silver lining in this cloud?  Perhaps by concentrating our energies in the early part of the election cycle we can actually get more attention (bolstered by a lot of Decline-to-State votes) than we have been getting with our half-hearted campaigns.

  If Prop 14 does take us out of the CA game, what's next?  Concentrating on non-partisan local offices?  Concentrating on issue activism?  Should GPCA concentrate on coordinating with GPUSA in focusing national resources on campaigns against a couple of carefully selected and vulnerable congressional incumbents?  





  

 		 	   		  
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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Wed Jun 16 10:00:08 2010
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:00:08 EDT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Juneteenth tabling / Tomato plants need picked up
Message-ID: <adb1c.74998b42.394a5d18@aol.com>

I am leaving town early Friday morning June 18th
 
I will leave tomato starter plants on my porch for pick up  Thursday evening
 
Warner
867 N 5th St
San Jose, CA 95112
 
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 16 11:03:51 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:03:51 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Jon Stewart Nukes Obama
Message-ID: <BAY140-W9B6D1B3A29CC3F505FCB79EDE0@phx.gbl>




After a campaign premised on reining in presidential
power, Obama is trying to curtail Miranda warnings for US citizens
and, after promising protection to whistleblowers he's now having
them arrested.  He has not only failed to reverse Bush's policies of
extraordinary rendition, his obstruction of the reach of the Supreme
Court's decisions upholding habeas corpus rights, and invoking
arbitratry state secrets both in the courtroom and out--Obama has
instituted a program of covert military ops that goes beyond what
Bush ever did, and has authorized the assassination of a US citizen,
Anwar al-Awlaki, even if he's caught far from a combat zone.



"All that power that you didn't
like when someone else had it, you decided to keep it."  Stewart
compares Obama to Frodo.  "You think you can be trusted with the
power because you're not a bad person," but the ring of power
must be tossed into the volcano so it doesn't pass into the wrong
hands.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/16/stewart-critiques-obama-f_n_613937.html












 		 	   		  
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Jun 16 13:41:48 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:41:48 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Heinberg on Obama's speech
Message-ID: <4C19370C.5040300@aceweb.com>

http://www.postcarbon.org/blog-post/108245-a-tepid-plea-for-unspecified-change
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Now with pictures and words of San Jose's SubZERO and Bike Party ride!


From andid at cagreens.org  Tue Jun 15 14:16:34 2010
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:16:34 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Sosfbay-discuss] Nancy Pelosi appoints...
In-Reply-To: <12B82598-6404-490A-BC26-B1FFD35A43DC@duendevision.com>
References: <45B8D61C.7080406@charter.net>
	<7D7FD1BB-EB42-4416-8241-5E51BCCD5E96@cagreens.org>
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This is very curious to me.  I don't remember writing the message attributed to me below.  Wow.  Some of the expressions don't sound like me.  (Pounding people into the desert?)   Maybe I have changed more than I realize.  

Anyway, I am still in favor of demanding that Israel stop the 10 to 1 killing rate, end the concentration camp conditions that they are imposing in Gaza, and cease the attacks on ships in international waters ? all illegal actions.

Good to hear that you are still out there, Duende!
Andrea

On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Duende wrote:

> I was going through some of my old email and came across this. Nothing's really changed much except maybe more people who were sucked into believing in a Democrat as a solution may have their eyes opened. It's funny how all the hawks can see what's wrong with Liberals and all the Liberals can see what;s wrong with Hawks but neither seem to have much introspection when it comes to them selves.
> 
> Still having the experience of a life time (what else could a life time be) in Guatemala. Just had an volcanic eruption (closed a flight I had to go to Chicago for a Meditation) and a killer tropical storm that was way ahead of the season.
> 
> Paz
> 
> Duende
> 
> <sunset with savelakeatitlan.jpg>
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Andrea Dorey wrote:
> 
>> Wes,
>> Tom Lantos is a Zionist hawk.
>> Always has been, IMHO.
>> 
>> We need to stop the "anti-jew" charges that are dragged out every time someone criticizes Israel for their murderous policies against the Palestinians (not that the P's haven't used force and verbiage that makes you want to pound them head-first into the desert!).  But cutting up Palestine into a patchwork quilt in defiance of the rest of the world, bombing combatants/non-combatants at a 10:1 kill ratio to their own losses, and destroying desperately needed food and water resources really makes Israel the bad guy.   And our country is up to our eyes in that blood.
>> 
>> I also think that we Third Party voters need to expound the truth that voting for either one of the two major parties is the true "throw-away" vote.  Voting for the lesser evil only encourages them.  Even if we don't win this time or the next time, the rising numbers of dissidents will frighten the opposition into concessions that will become more meaningful as more and more of us refuse to accept the *crumbs* that are traditionally offered (and then later removed).  Either they become us or we take over.  Nothing less, dammit.    And to prove that they know damn well what citizens want, take a look at the rhetoric as we near the election.      :- }
>> Andrea
>> PS - Time for the masked blogger to get busy!!!
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2007, at 8:09 AM, Wes Rolley wrote:
>> 
>>> For those who thought that the Democratic Congress would bring any
>>> change, I have news for you...The new chairman of the House Committee on
>>> Foreigh Affairs is Tom Lantos.  If one expects a more peaceful approach
>>> to foreign policy, based on reclaiming the moral authority that the
>>> United States once had, and that this administration squandered, you
>>> will not get that from Lantos.  If anyone expects a even-handed,
>>> un-biases view toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, you will not get
>>> that from Tom Lantos.
>>> 
>>> When all of the efforts of Pat Gray and others (mostly Democrats with
>>> ethnic backgrounds)  to unseat Lantos failed in 2004, we did not pay too
>>> much of a price since the Reublicans controlled things anyway.  Now,
>>> however, as Chairman of that committee, Lantos is in a position to do
>>> irreparable harm.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Wes Rolley		
>>> 17211 Quail Court	
>>> Morgan Hill, CA 95037
>>> (408)778-3024
>>> 
>>> "Happiness is to be fully engaged in the activity that you believe in and, if you are very good at it, well that's a bonus." -- Henry Moore
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ______________________________
> "bhavatu sabba mangalam"
> May All Beings Be Happy
> -Buddhist Prayer in original Pali language
> 
> 
> 



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Wed Jun 16 15:30:12 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:30:12 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
In-Reply-To: <20100615151952.219156A911@truffula.sj.ca.us>
References: <20100615151952.219156A911@truffula.sj.ca.us>
Message-ID: <4C195074.5000106@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Cameron, et al.:


       How can I find the public Wiki you mentioned?


       I don't see the need to control too tightly the access to a Green 
Wiki.  As long as we designate honestly Green editors for our Green 
Wiki, I don't think we are likely to seriously lose control of content.  
If Libertarians or Tea Party people add content to our Wiki, we split 
the page in half and provide a contrasting perspective on the left with 
their perspective on the right.  If our perspective is better 
researched, I think that will show, and we will attract readers, some of 
whom will become new members.  If our position is not better researched, 
then we either need to decide if our lack of research is due to lack of 
resources or that the evidence is against us.  If the evidence is 
against us, we need to change.  If we don't have the resources to manage 
all the contributions, that's another problem.  However, the success of 
Wikipedia suggests that we will attract enough positive contributions 
that we'll be ahead on the average.  The issues where Libertarians or 
Tea Party people or Newscorp overwhelm us will be a small price to pay 
for opening something that actually attracts attention!


       The biggest problem we have right now is that we are 
marginalized.  If we open a Green Wiki to everyone, and it dies, we 
won't have lost much.  If Newscorp tries to take it over, we can try to 
control it through our powers as editors -- and if that fails, we shut 
it down.  If we find a way to get it to grow more sensibly, I think it 
will attract contributions from people who might not think about us 
otherwise, and many of those will join us.


       I'm concerned that one of the reasons we are not growing may be 
that we've tried to control too much in the past.  I'm thinking 
specifically of the Green opposition to an open primary (not counting 
Prop 14):  What evidence is there that allowing others to vote in the 
Green primary would actually be bad for the Green party?  I've seen the 
hypothetical argument for that.  However, there is also the reality that 
my wife registered Democrat so she could vote in the Democratic 
primary.  I suspect she's not the only one, and I suspect we may have 
lost more than we've gained by that position.  With Prop 14, this may be 
moot now.  However, I'd like to know if this decision was made on 
evidence or on "data independent thinking" (i.e., logic based on 
possibly faulty premises).


       Best Wishes,
       Spencer


On 6/15/2010 8:19 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>    
>> I suggest we create a Green Wiki with Wikinews,
>>      
> We already have our own public Wiki.  I suggest we retain
> control of our own content, instead of trusting it to a
> trendy Web 2.0 startup that could die or get swallowed by
> Newscorp tomorrow.  Drop me a line and I'll get you started.
> Make a GP of SCC page there and we can frame it on the page
> we have now.  Go Spencer go!
>
> -Cameron
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>    

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From palmheaven at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 16:19:51 2010
From: palmheaven at gmail.com (Palm Haven Handyman)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:19:51 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
In-Reply-To: <852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AA42C07D-BE98-4235-85A3-54B61DCC71AF@cagreens.org>
	<852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim0b6FZAg8zExWT1zQBwWLCLkIKDOXuQuUd_sVG@mail.gmail.com>

Top notch idea, might even be able to involve some other local Greens who
are not into coming to meetings or tabling, but would like to help in some
small way to making a project coalesce and produce a decent product.

I would love contribute a regular column about greywater, I recently
installed the first permitted greywater system in Santa Clara County, and am
installing three more, including a constructed bog in a tub and a
constructed wetland of *edible* native california plants.  People are
interested in these sort of things these days; a few weekends ago I gave a
workshop on greywater that was a big
success<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2Mvb2qgCjwYJ:www.cngf.org/programs/programs.htm+cngf+greywater&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a>
.

People are interested in GREENBUILDING these days and us Greens are
naturally at the forefront, and could be something to capitalize on.  I am
starting to create a greenbuilding column that I can sell to the local
papers, and maybe syndicate-ize.  I have been waiting for someone else to do
it, but it has not happened yet.  I am a pretty good writer, I am thinking I
might have an opportunity.  I like the idea of using Green Party as focus
for this effort...


Roy III


On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>wrote:

> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy to
> be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to Food 4
> Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green people in
> business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He seems to love
> to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>
> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health insurance
> horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can work for SB810.
> I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
> Caroline
>
> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic
> Expertise...
> To: "Caroline Yacoub" <carolineyacoub at att.net>
> Cc: "Tian Harter" <tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry Gras" <
> gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue" <td at studiotom.com>, "Dale Warner"
> <dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>,
> "Carol Brouillet" <cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred" <fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes
> Rolley" <wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
>
> Wow, Caroline!  What a great idea!
>
> To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market segment.
>  What and who would be our audience?  Greens and wanna be Greens?  What do
> they need from us?  A way to frame each Green issue that makes it superior
> to anything the two majors are doing?  To add to the GP juggernaut that we
> need for our swan song, if that's what Prop 14 hands us?
>
> The horrendous oil spill is an easy one.  So, I think, is the issue of
> neverending wars.  Add to that, the wretched health care system that
> demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers."
>
> All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and we've got
> a winner for a magazine.  Not so easy, but doable if we put our heads
> together.  We need "white papers" from the Green Party:  we have Fred, Wes,
> Jim S, and me?all of whom have written articles and flyers for GP issues.
> Add to this the contingent who send emails and monitor what's going on out
> there like Gerry and Alex who also write.  Did I miss anyone here?
>
> We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?
>
> We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push our
> candidates.  KPFA could provide state bank info and so could Carol
> Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the recent past.
>
> Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations!  Some of it would
> make great humor!
>
> And we could advertise Caroline's creations!  Green businesses?locally to
> start.
>
> And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at tabling.
>
> Other ideas?
>
> Did I just scare everyone away?  <sigh>  Sorry, it's the freelancer and
> adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm.  I'll go away...
> <mumble, mumble>
>
> Andrea
>
>  On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>
>   Well once again you have done a splendid job of  recording the event. I
> think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our own editorials and
> everything.
>
> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>
> >
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
> To: "Post South SF Bay discus" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> >
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>
> A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
> in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>
> I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
>
> http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
> --
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
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>



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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Wed Jun 16 18:42:52 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:42:52 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
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       I hope you'll forgive me for suggesting again that we do this 
using the Wikipedia / Wikinews model.  I mention this, because the goal 
is NOT to write something cool but to be read and have a positive impact.


       I think allowing people to edit items, even to change black to 
white if they want, will in general produce text that is better received 
by potential readers, in part because the result will on average tend to 
be better connected to the rest of human knowledge.  Beyond that, I 
think if we actually stimulate a journalistic food fight and offer 
differing perspectives side by side, that alone will attract a larger 
audience than we would get solely by presenting one perspective.  If we 
lose in a direct side by side comparison, maybe we deserve to lose.


       Spencer


On 6/16/2010 4:19 PM, Palm Haven Handyman wrote:
> Top notch idea, might even be able to involve some other local Greens who
> are not into coming to meetings or tabling, but would like to help in some
> small way to making a project coalesce and produce a decent product.
>
> I would love contribute a regular column about greywater, I recently
> installed the first permitted greywater system in Santa Clara County, and am
> installing three more, including a constructed bog in a tub and a
> constructed wetland of *edible* native california plants.  People are
> interested in these sort of things these days; a few weekends ago I gave a
> workshop on greywater that was a big
> success<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2Mvb2qgCjwYJ:www.cngf.org/programs/programs.htm+cngf+greywater&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a>
> .
>
> People are interested in GREENBUILDING these days and us Greens are
> naturally at the forefront, and could be something to capitalize on.  I am
> starting to create a greenbuilding column that I can sell to the local
> papers, and maybe syndicate-ize.  I have been waiting for someone else to do
> it, but it has not happened yet.  I am a pretty good writer, I am thinking I
> might have an opportunity.  I like the idea of using Green Party as focus
> for this effort...
>
>
> Roy III
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>wrote:
>
>    
>> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy to
>> be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to Food 4
>> Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green people in
>> business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He seems to love
>> to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>>
>> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health insurance
>> horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can work for SB810.
>> I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
>> Caroline
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>
>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose&  Tian's Graphic
>> Expertise...
>> To: "Caroline Yacoub"<carolineyacoub at att.net>
>> Cc: "Tian Harter"<tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry Gras"<
>> gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue"<td at studiotom.com>, "Dale Warner"
>> <dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>,
>> "Carol Brouillet"<cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred"<fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes
>> Rolley"<wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
>>
>> Wow, Caroline!  What a great idea!
>>
>> To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market segment.
>>   What and who would be our audience?  Greens and wanna be Greens?  What do
>> they need from us?  A way to frame each Green issue that makes it superior
>> to anything the two majors are doing?  To add to the GP juggernaut that we
>> need for our swan song, if that's what Prop 14 hands us?
>>
>> The horrendous oil spill is an easy one.  So, I think, is the issue of
>> neverending wars.  Add to that, the wretched health care system that
>> demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers."
>>
>> All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and we've got
>> a winner for a magazine.  Not so easy, but doable if we put our heads
>> together.  We need "white papers" from the Green Party:  we have Fred, Wes,
>> Jim S, and me?all of whom have written articles and flyers for GP issues.
>> Add to this the contingent who send emails and monitor what's going on out
>> there like Gerry and Alex who also write.  Did I miss anyone here?
>>
>> We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?
>>
>> We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push our
>> candidates.  KPFA could provide state bank info and so could Carol
>> Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the recent past.
>>
>> Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations!  Some of it would
>> make great humor!
>>
>> And we could advertise Caroline's creations!  Green businesses?locally to
>> start.
>>
>> And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at tabling.
>>
>> Other ideas?
>>
>> Did I just scare everyone away?<sigh>   Sorry, it's the freelancer and
>> adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm.  I'll go away...
>> <mumble, mumble>
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>>   On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>
>>    Well once again you have done a splendid job of  recording the event. I
>> think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our own editorials and
>> everything.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>      
>>> * wrote:
>>>        
>>
>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>      
>>>        
>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
>> To: "Post South SF Bay discus"<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>      
>>>        
>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>>
>> A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
>> in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>>
>> I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
>>
>> http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
>> --
>> Tian
>> http://tian.greens.org
>> Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>      

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Jun 16 23:59:31 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:59:31 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Juneteenth tabling at Plaza de Cesar Chavez
In-Reply-To: <4C17DD2B.7030608@aceweb.com>
References: <4C16B4DD.9060706@aceweb.com> <4C17DD2B.7030608@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <4C19C7D3.6070201@aceweb.com>



Tian Harter wrote:
> The updated schedule:
> 
>> Saturday:
>>
>> 10 AM to 2 PM: Cameron Spitzer and Andrea Dorey (brings tabling kit)
>> 2 PM to 6 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
>> 3 PM to 6 PM:   Tian Harter and Merriam Kathleen
>>
>> Sunday:
>>
>> 10 AM to 2 PM: Jim Stauffer and ???
>> 2 PM to 4 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
>> 4 PM to 6 PM:  Tian and Caroline Yacoub (takes the tabling kit home)
>>
> Please volunteer to fill one or more of the above holes!
> 
> I'm going to get sunburn if I work all the shifts I'm signed up for.

In addition to the above Valerie said she would drop by at least once
and do any Xeroxing we need at that time.
> 
> 
> Tian Harter wrote:
>> I talked to the organizers. They say we get a table and two chairs
>> under their shade structure in the park. At 10 AM Saturday they
>> want us to go to the tent and find the table with our name on it,
>> and just set up there. The schedule I have at the moment:
>>
>> Saturday:
>>
>> 10 AM to 12 PM: Michael Ray and Andrea Dorey (Andrea brings tabling kit)
>> Noon to 2 PM:   Michael Ray and ???
>> 2 PM to 4 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
>> 4 PM to 6 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
>>
>> Sunday:
>>
>> 10 AM to 12 PM: ??? and ???
>> Noon to 2 PM:   ??? and ???
>> 2 PM to 4 PM:   Tian Harter and ???
>> 4 PM to 6 PM:   Dale Warner (hopefully, will confirm and Caroline (takes
>> the tabling kit home)
>>
>> Please volunteer to fill one or more of the above holes!
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Now with pictures and words of San Jose's SubZERO and Bike Party ride!


From leedobell at aol.com  Thu Jun 17 04:38:16 2010
From: leedobell at aol.com (leedobell at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:38:16 -0400
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Let's just get our news out there
In-Reply-To: <4C197D9C.8020900@prodsyse.com>
References: <AA42C07D-BE98-4235-85A3-54B61DCC71AF@cagreens.org>	<852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com><AANLkTim0b6FZAg8zExWT1zQBwWLCLkIKDOXuQuUd_sVG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C197D9C.8020900@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <8CCDC28B667835A-2E8-9EC5@webmail-d081.sysops.aol.com>


I don't see a really good reason why we shouldn't use every possible channel of communication, including chalk on the sidewalk. I'd hate to have us disappear because we disagreed about which way to reach people was the coolest. I can't really get involved in the wiki thing unless someone with wiki savvy sits next to me and tells me what to do. But, when I get back in August, I will table my little heart out at libraries and farmer's markets and street fairs and anyplace else I can think of to get people to realize what Prop. 14 will do if we don't get rid of it. I like to have something to hand people to start a conversation. Others of you out there are more comfortable in cyberspace.  Some people are good at phone banking. We all need to do everything we can. We're not just supporting some worthwhile ideas, here. We're fighting for our political lives. Let's not go gently into that goodnight, let's go kicking and screaming. I'm sure going to.
Caroline






-----Original Message-----
From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: Palm Haven Handyman <palmheaven at gmail.com>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...


  I hope you'll forgive me for suggesting again that we do this using the Wikipedia / Wikinews model. I mention this, because the goal is NOT to write something cool but to be read and have a positive impact. 
 
  I think allowing people to edit items, even to change black to white if they want, will in general produce text that is better received by potential readers, in part because the result will on average tend to be better connected to the rest of human knowledge. Beyond that, I think if we actually stimulate a journalistic food fight and offer differing perspectives side by side, that alone will attract a larger audience than we would get solely by presenting one perspective. If we lose in a direct side by side comparison, maybe we deserve to lose. 
 
  Spencer 
 
On 6/16/2010 4:19 PM, Palm Haven Handyman wrote: 
> Top notch idea, might even be able to involve some other local Greens who 
> are not into coming to meetings or tabling, but would like to help in some 
> small way to making a project coalesce and produce a decent product. 
> 
> I would love contribute a regular column about greywater, I recently 
> installed the first permitted greywater system in Santa Clara County, and am 
> installing three more, including a constructed bog in a tub and a 
> constructed wetland of *edible* native california plants. People are 
> interested in these sort of things these days; a few weekends ago I gave a 
> workshop on greywater that was a big 
> success<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2Mvb2qgCjwYJ:www.cngf.org/programs/programs.htm+cngf+greywater&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a> 
> . 
> 
> People are interested in GREENBUILDING these days and us Greens are 
> naturally at the forefront, and could be something to capitalize on. I am 
> starting to create a greenbuilding column that I can sell to the local 
> papers, and maybe syndicate-ize. I have been waiting for someone else to do 
> it, but it has not happened yet. I am a pretty good writer, I am thinking I 
> might have an opportunity. I like the idea of using Green Party as focus 
> for this effort... 
> 
> 
> Roy III 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>wrote: 
> 
> >> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy to 
>> be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to Food 4 
>> Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green people in 
>> business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He seems to love 
>> to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here. 
>> 
>> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health insurance 
>> horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can work for SB810. 
>> I may actually be sorry I'm going away. 
>> Caroline 
>> 
>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>* wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org> 
>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose& Tian's Graphic 
>> Expertise... 
>> To: "Caroline Yacoub"<carolineyacoub at att.net> 
>> Cc: "Tian Harter"<tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry Gras"< 
>> gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue"<td at studiotom.com>, "Dale Warner" 
>> <dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>, 
>> "Carol Brouillet"<cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred"<fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes 
>> Rolley"<wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com 
>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM 
>> 
>> Wow, Caroline! What a great idea! 
>> 
>> To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market segment. 
>> What and who would be our audience? Greens and wanna be Greens? What do 
>> they need from us? A way to frame each Green issue that makes it superior 
>> to anything the two majors are doing? To add to the GP juggernaut that we 
>> need for our swan song, if that's what Prop 14 hands us? 
>> 
>> The horrendous oil spill is an easy one. So, I think, is the issue of 
>> neverending wars. Add to that, the wretched health care system that 
>> demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers." 
>> 
>> All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and we've got 
>> a winner for a magazine. Not so easy, but doable if we put our heads 
>> together. We need "white papers" from the Green Party: we have Fred, Wes, 
>> Jim S, and me?all of whom have written articles and flyers for GP issues. 
>> Add to this the contingent who send emails and monitor what's going on out 
>> there like Gerry and Alex who also write. Did I miss anyone here? 
>> 
>> We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published? 
>> 
>> We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push our 
>> candidates. KPFA could provide state bank info and so could Carol 
>> Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the recent past. 
>> 
>> Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations! Some of it would 
>> make great humor! 
>> 
>> And we could advertise Caroline's creations! Green businesses?locally to 
>> start. 
>> 
>> And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at tabling. 
>> 
>> Other ideas? 
>> 
>> Did I just scare everyone away?<sigh> Sorry, it's the freelancer and 
>> adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm. I'll go away... 
>> <mumble, mumble> 
>> 
>> Andrea 
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote: 
>> 
>> Well once again you have done a splendid job of recording the event. I 
>> think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our own editorials and 
>> everything. 
>> 
>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com> 
>> >>> * wrote: 
>>> >> 
>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com> 
>> >>> >> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose 
>> To: "Post South SF Bay discus"<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>> >>> >> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM 
>> 
>> A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero 
>> in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes. 
>> 
>> I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures: 
>> 
>> http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html 
>> -- 
>> Tian 
>> http://tian.greens.org 
>> Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding. 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list 
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss 
>>  
-- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD 
President and Chief Operating Officer 
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 
751 Emerson Ct. 
San Jos?, CA 95126 
ph: 408-655-4567 
 
_______________________________________________ 
sosfbay-discuss mailing list 
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Fri Jun 18 12:20:37 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your
	message
Message-ID: <331652.53325.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Monica is the woman across the street from me with One Tree Farm.
Caroline

--- On Fri, 6/18/10, Travel Diva <travlnlight at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Travel Diva <travlnlight at hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message
To: "'Caroline Yacoub'" <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 9:33 AM



? 
-----Original Message----- 
From: senator at feinstein.senate.gov [mailto:senator at feinstein.senate.gov] 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 6:39 AM 
To: travlnlight at hotmail.com 
Subject: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message 
? 
Dear Ms. Schwenke: 
? 
Thank you for writing to me to express your opposition to expanding offshore oil and gas production. I appreciate the time you took to write, and I welcome the opportunity to respond.
? 
The recent oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is a stark reminder that drilling in critical places off of our coastlines carries with it real, catastrophic risk. I have long opposed oil and gas exploration off the coast of California, and believe that oil drilling in water deeper than 5,000 feet should also be prohibited. 
? 
You may be interested to know that on May 13, 2010, I cosponsored legislation (S. 3358) that would permanently prohibit offshore drilling on the outer continental shelf of California, Oregon and Washington State. I support the Administration's steps to halt new offshore drilling until federal regulators implement the reforms necessary to prevent a future catastrophe. On May 27, 2010, President Obama announced a six-month moratorium on drilling new deepwater oil wells and cancelled plans for exploratory drilling and new lease sales. In my view, very clear standards and greater environmental and safety oversight should be in place before drilling resumes and any new rigs are placed offshore. 
? 
Concerns have also been raised about reports of misconduct and failed oversight by personnel in the Minerals Management Service (MMS), the division within the Department of the Interior responsible for overseeing the collection of oil and gas drilling royalties, enforcing safety and environmental standards, and processing drilling permits. As Chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment and Related Agencies, which has jurisdiction over MMS, I find this behavior completely unacceptable and take these allegations seriously. You may be interested to know that on June 23, 2010, the Subcommittee will hold a hearing on Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar's proposed restructuring of MMS and examined the concerns that have been raised about the agency's conflicting missions.
? 
I agree that expanding offshore drilling represents an unnecessary risk to our coastal communities, economies, and ecosystems, and that energy independence cannot be achieved by expanding offshore oil and gas production. Please know that I remain committed to working to advance legislation that will decrease our dependence on fossil fuels and invest in low-carbon, renewable energy and energy efficient technologies.
? 
Again, thank you for writing. If you have additional comments or questions, please contact my Washington, D.C. staff at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.? 



Sincerely yours, 
?Dianne Feinstein 
???????? United States Senator 

Further information about my position on issues of concern to California and the Nation are available at my website http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/.? You can also receive electronic e-mail updates by subscribing to my e-mail list at http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ENewsletterSignup.Signup. Feel free to checkout my YouTube page http://www.youtube.com/Senatorfeinstein
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Fri Jun 18 12:33:13 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:33:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Transcript of Closing Arguments in Prop 8 Trial
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--- On Fri, 6/18/10, shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu> wrote:


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Subject: Transcript of Closing Arguments in Prop 8 Trial
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Fri Jun 18 12:36:25 2010
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:36:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: SB810 will be heard in Assembly Health Tues.,
	June 29
Message-ID: <38070.44862.qm@web81206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- On Fri, 6/18/10, Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
Subject: SB810 will be heard in Assembly Health Tues., June 29
To: "Lynn Huidekoper" <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 2:05 AM






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SB810 will be heard in Assembly Health Cmte. Tuesday, June 29. Their meetings?start at 1:30 PM in Rm. 4202. Don Bechler?is?running a bus from SF- if you want to ride here's the info.
If a bus leaves from San Jose I will let folks know.
?
Please look at the Assembly Health Cmte. list that I have attached and send emails or phone Bill Monning, the Chair and other members if they are your Assembly member. Ask them to pass 810!!
?
Lynn


? 



From: dbechler at value.net
To: dbechler at value.net
Subject: Sign up for June 29 Bus to Sacrmento for SB 810 hearing 
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:34:29 -0700






?

Sign up Today 

Bus to Sacramento for hearing on SB 810, 
the California Universal Healthcare Act. 
?on Tuesday June 29
It is important that legislators know there is a movement for healthcare minus the insurance industry.
Sign up Today.
?
We need a large turnout of SB 810 supporters in Sacramento at the Assembly Healthcare Committee hearing on SB 810 on June 29.
It is important for legislators to know that many people want universal healthcare minus the insurance industry.? 
We want the capitol to be buzzing with SB 810 supporters. 
Since signs are not allowed in the capitol, it is important for all of us to wear shirts or buttons, or hats that express support for single payer healthcare.? On the bus, we will have free buttons and shirts and hats for sale. 
The committee meeting starts at 1:30.?? Before the meeting, we will deliver 2000 SB 810 postcards to 80 assembly offices. 
We will leave SF at 10am sharp and should return by 5:30.
The bus will pick up on Fulton between Larkin and Hyde.
That is between the library and the Asian Art Museum, and one block from the Civic Center BART stop.
You must RSVP.? Contact Don Bechler at 415-810-5826 or by email at dbechler at value.net?? 
Lunches will be served on the way to Sacramento and snacks on the return trip. 
We pass the hat on the bus.? Give what you can ? it costs us about $30 per person for the bus and lunch.? Our priority is to have a large turnout in Sacramento.
We will leave from Ashby BART at 10:30am sharp.? 
Contact Jodi Reid from the California Alliance for Retired Americans if you want to leave from the Ashby BART station.
She can be reached at 415- 515-2156 or by email at jreid at californiaalliance.org
Or you can respond to this email this week.
It would be helpful if you could contact us this week so we know how many buses to reserve.
___ I want to take the 10am SF bus to Sacramento on June 29
___ I want to take the bust from the Ashby BART on June 29
___ I cannot go to Sacramento, but I want to help contribute to the bus and lunch costs for others.
Contributions for the bus can be sent to 
Single Payer Now
PO Box 460622
San Francisco, CA 94146
Or click here.
Note ? the health hearing was scheduled just after we sent out our newsletter.
?
I hope to see you on the bus.. 
?
Don Bechler
Chair ? Single Payer Now
www.singlepayernow.net
415-695-7891
cell 415-810-5826
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Jun 18 15:52:03 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 15:52:03 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: The Art and Science of Urban Camping]
Message-ID: <4C1BF893.1080404@aceweb.com>

I'm thinking this piece is such a great example of green politics as
performance art. Great example of a "think globally, act locally" story.

Tian
I only wish the author could only get folding green applause out of it.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	The Art and Science of Urban Camping
Date: 	Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:40:04 -0400
From: 	akovattana at aol.com
To: 	undisclosed-recipients:;



Dear Friends,

In this story I amuse my tenants by camping in their backyard. To
achieve a measure of independence this entails building my own toilet.

Amanda

Shelter Search

Once our two rental houses were homes for other people, they were no
longer mine in the sense that I could occupy them as I had done when I
traveled to San Bernardino to work on the houses. My thoughts thus
turned to the little fenced off area between the homes that the former
owner had used as a utility yard and warehouse for scavenged building
material.

That little 16' by 20' living room size plot of land offered me months
of entertainment as I looked into various ways I could think of to erect
some form of shelter in it for my visits south.

I considered a vintage travel trailer, but didn't have a car that could
pull it or space to store it. I became a regular reader of the Tiny
House blog and bought plans to build myself a micro cabin.

While searching for earthen building activities in the area, I
discovered the Cal Earth Institute in Hesperia an hour away from San
Bernardino. Their sandbag houses fascinated me, but I couldn?t imagine
how one would fit in with two normal suburban houses. I planned to visit
Cal Earth on my next trip. This would be a good cover story for my
expedition.

Building a sandbag house would definitely take more time than I could
spend in one trip, likewise a micro cabin, but I was itching to build
something. Finally I found a shelter that wouldn't take more than a day
to erect. It was called a hexayurt and had been developed by an
enthusiast of the Burning Man festival so was designed for the desert.

I was so sure that this was the shelter for me that I ordered the
specialized 3" wide industrial fiberglass tape needed to put it
together. After much study I could build the whole thing in my head;
that was when I realized that the panels were simply too large to both
hold up and tape together by myself. All the hexayurt people worked with
crews of four or more.

I did have a fall back plan. The Tiny House blog had introduced me to
the tent cot, basically a tent on stilts. I was so charmed by the
concept that I ordered one. As a house it would do perfectly for this
trip. Still there was something else I had to have to make a go of it
without having to rely too much on my tenants, and that was a toilet.

Liquid Gold

I had been wanting to make my own composting toilet ever since I
discovered the book Humanure. I saw the folly of using good drinking
water to dispose of human waste which, being full of essential minerals,
had value for agriculture. Our centralized sewage system made processing
this "waste" one of the most flawed technologies of modern life. Copious
amounts of energy, water, chemicals and tracts of high value land were
involved, but after a few good rains the tanks would flood and excrement
float into the bay, not to mention the ongoing disposal of the toxic sludge.

The humanure toilet is basically a five gallon bucket used with sawdust
to cover each deposit; then when full, the contents were hauled out to a
hot compost pile to process. The tiny house culture had embraced the
sawdust toilet because it solved the big pipe, plumbing problem of
disposing of raw sewage. I was squeamish about working the necessary
compost pile in our small yard, but wanted to build such a toilet for
emergencies.

There was still another route to explore?the pee toilet I had used at
the sustainable living farm I visited in Thailand. Since urine is rich
in nitrogen it can be used immediately to fertilize plants when diluted
with five parts water. Adding a cup of sugar also helps to "ferment" the
urine and make it more accessible to plants. I learned all I needed to
know from the book Liquid Gold.

My challenge was to build a urine-diverting toilet that could be easily
packed and transported. A funnel welded inside a 5 gallon bucket was one
DIY suggestion, but that was too bulky once a gallon bottle for the pee
was included. I had a large funnel. All I needed was a container that
would lay flat. Eventually I thought of one?an oil drain pan. Pep Boys
had a two and a half gallon one that fit perfectly lying flat inside a
Bankers box. For poop, I repurposed a gallon size kitchen scraps bucket
that the city of San Carlos had issued for compost collection. Even had
its own lid and logo, "Rethink Waste". The funnel and the compost bucket
fit side by side in the box. A rubber tube easily connected the funnel
to the oil pan opening.

For a seat, I grabbed a wooden wine box from my stash; it fit perfectly
over the bankers box with room to add legs and why make four legs when
two boards would do? I made slots to hold the boards in place and cut a
hole for the seat. I had seen a plastic one at Ikea that would keep the
weight down.

Six hours and three days later I had my completed toilet, varnished and
posted to flickr for feedback. I was very pleased with its modern lines
and the black toilet seat. It was an immediate hit with off grid
survivalists.

Urban Camping

My head was so filled with working out the details of my off-grid
expedition that I hardly slept the entire week. I filled my car with all
manner of untested gear plus my faithful solar oven. Then there was the
menu. Part of my challenge was to feed not only myself but treat my
tenants to a home cooked meal. I bought a new flat bottomed wok that
would work with my portable wood burning stove.

I arrived as promised just before sunset. Addison and his little friend
Tika from next door were on hand to help me park inside the utility yard
enclosure. Their excitement mounted as I pulled out my various folding
chairs and unfolded the tent cot. As soon as it was up they were all
over it asking me to zip them up inside and let them use a lantern.
Their squeals of delight brought out Tally my new tentant. Addison's
mother Jennifer joined us, too and we all sat in the folding chairs.

It was in part to meet Tally that I had come to visit. He was a small
man with the sideburns and '50s bubble hair he groomed for his Elvis
act. He looked at my tent cot and told me I had to be kidding. I could
not possibly be thinking of spending the night in it. He offered me his
house although his couch was already occupied by a friend of his grown
son, staying indefinitely.

"You can sleep with me. I wouldn't do nothing," he said. He had but a
single bed so was kidding. Jennifer chuckled. Addison offered to let me
sleep in his room so he could sleep in the tent cot.

I earnestly explained that part of my whole purpose was to get away from
the comforts of home to test my equipment. Tally said you couldn't get
him to sleep in a tent, no way. Jennifer was being bitten by mosquitoes.
They left me to set up the rest of my outfit. Mike came by and asked
after the hexayurt I'd told him about, then laughed when I said I had
abandoned the idea largely because it entailed a roof rack. He showed me
his vegetable beds and pumpkin starts.

For privacy, I moved the tent inside the fenced enclosure, lay a
painter's drop cloth on the ground in front of it and put my toilet in
the metal shed. The yard was cluttered with various projects. Mike had
also dug a large hole for composting. I reorganized a few things and
settled in happy, finally able to get some sleep now that my expedition
was under way.

The next morning I put up my sunshade from fence to fence. Tally came
out to offer me coffee and help me string it up. He persuaded me to come
into his kitchen with offers of an English muffin toasted. I didn't have
any means of toasting so accepted.

"I feel like we've been friends for years," he said. I was content with
that and was careful not to interrupt his narrative with mine. It is
good camouflage. He told me details of his divorce and later sang for me
in his room where he had his recording equipment. He sounded just like
Elvis.

Spotting Mike in the yard, Tally beckoned to him.

"Get in here," he said, "I got cawfee." I rarely saw Mike sit down. They
joshed each other like old friends. I discussed the menu with them.
Tally had never had Thai food, but he liked fried rice.

"I call it Chin food," he said, "you know for Chinese". Mike suggested
vegetables cooked soft because his teeth didn't work right. This I could
handle and set out to walk to the nearest grocery store, a Mexican chain
two blocks away. It had everything I needed including nice cuts of pork
all for less than $8.

Cooking for more than four people made me nervous, so I sat in my
reclining chair and thought it through. It was such a luxury to do just
one thing at a time that I reveled in just sitting there making a blow
by blow schedule to execute my plan. I wondered why it wasn't possible
to do just one thing at a time at home.

I set up my solar oven and made five cookies at a time, five times. Next
I put in the rice; it cooked to perfection after two hours. When it came
time to light up my woodgas stove the wood I brought wouldn't light, but
no matter I could use the gas stove inside. I had already cut everything
up at Tally's house, so took everything into Mike's house where the
family was already gathered with Jennifer's visiting Aunt Becky.

"I'm ready to wok and woll," I said. This old joke on my ethnicity
always gets a laugh.

Addison came by, saw me using the stove, and said, "You're cheating." I
lamented to him that I couldn't light my outdoor stove, but soon had
dinner on the table.

"Hope you like it," I said to everyone.

"Mike won't complain if it's a home cooked meal," said Jennifer and asks
if I mind paper plates. They are the minimal kind that go on basket
weave trays so I didn't mind. (Tally used paper plates at his house too;
this was perhaps the downside of my not installing dishwashers.) The
women sat at the table chatting while Mike and the boys ate in front of
the drag race on TV. Tally joined us and was soon entertaining everyone
with his story of the day Mike shut off the water while he was still in
the shower. It is exactly the kind of situational funny story on oneself
that my Thai relatives like to tell at dinner and made me feel at home.

More visitors stop by?a black family?mother and two children; Addison
calls the boy his brother. Jennifer notes with a chuckle to me that race
does not stand in the way of Addison's definition of brother. I invite
the mother to eat. She turns down my invitation, but later, as the
evening draws out and her kids have eaten, she does too and makes it a
point to tell me the food was very good. In all I managed to feed 6
adults and 4 children for less than $10 plus there were leftovers.

Performance Art

I joined the children outside. At the curb was parked Aunt Becky's
truck. It was a monster truck just this side of a semi and had two steps
to climb into it. Shiny and black, it looked new; the front grill
towered over my head. On the back was a sticker. "Silly, big trucks are
for girls" it said. I had to admire this sentiment.

When I returned to the house with my solar baked cookies, Aunt Becky
commented that I liked to be Green.

"I just like the gadgets," I said. It was not my agenda to speak of
being Green, especially with monster truck drivers. I have had little
success persuading anybody to be Green beyond a little recycling. Nor
have I had success persuading people to put together a viable earthquake
kit. Fear quickly leads to overwhelm and helplessness. Thus I now
present my off grid living solutions as Art, my Design For Living.

With this in mind, I had decorated my tent with a string of flags, the
triangular kind you see at gas stations. I had considered hanging my
rainbow 'peace' flag, but even that seemed too liberal an agenda. I did
have a wall hanging a client had off loaded?a reproduction 18^th century
tapestry depicting a pastoral theme of aristocrats on a picnic, fishing.
I hung it on the outside of the utility yard fence with binder clips
suspended from clamps. The irony of the scene amused me, but no one else
seemed to get it. Probably thought I was putting on airs.

The children got a ride in the monster truck; I could hear the sound of
the air horn as it rumbled down the street. It did get 20 mpg on a very
efficient diesel engine, Mike told me. After their ride the children
came to my camp to try out the tent, inspect my gear and pull out all
the parts of my Swiss Army knife.

"You?re the only girl I know who likes this sort of thing," said the girl.

"I'm the only girl I know who likes this sort of thing, too," I
responded. She wasn't interested in the tent or the knife, but she
looked at the rest of the gear and sat in one of my chairs.

"I love learning about this survival stuff," her brother told me politely.

"Yes it's fun," I agreed, completely won over by his interest, glad to
have presented a viable alternative to the next generation.

Later when I was brushing my teeth his mother came by, said her children
couldn't stop talking about my camp, so she had come to see for herself.
I picked up my LED lantern and gave her the tour. She took everything
in, withholding any judgment, even commenting about the practicality of
the tent being off the ground.

Not one person had asked me what I used for a bathroom. I did borrow a
shower at Mike's after a hot day driving to Hesperia. I also took the
opportunity to use both tenants bathroom on two occasions thus saving
myself having to dig a hole for disposal of poop, but otherwise my
homemade toilet was key. On the last day, before I packed it, I showed
it to Mike assuring him that it had not been used for poop. He was very
intrigued by the use of urine as free fertilizer and perused my copy of
Liquid Gold on the spot.

Satisfied that my off grid performance art had been properly appreciated
I got on the road wondering what my next project would be.

Amanda Kovattana
June 14, 2010

http://www.flickr.com/photos/earthworm/
http://amandakovattana.blogspot.com



-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
"A sound system can put the harm in harmony." - Caroline Casey on KPFA


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 18 23:02:49 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 23:02:49 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Good Idea for the Oil Spill
Message-ID: <4C1C5D89.6090103@earthlink.net>



     http://www.minimumsecurity.net/stephaniemcmillan/codegreen/?p=307




From jims at greens.org  Sun Jun 20 19:00:50 2010
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:00:50 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [GPCA Official Notice] GPCA and Prop 14
Message-ID: <4C1EC7D2.1060308@greens.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GPCA Official Notice] GPCA and Prop 14
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:02:59 -0700
From: County Contacts <contacts2006 at cagreens.org>
Reply-To: contacts2006 at cagreens.org
To: County Contacts <Contacts2006 at cagreens.org>

GREEN PARTY COUNTY CONTACTS MESSAGE


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

To Green Party of California County Councils, Committees and Activists

  From GPCA Campaigns and Candidates Working Group

The CCWG held its regular monthly teleconference on June 9th, the day
after California voters approved Proposition 14, the so-called "Open
Primary/Top Two" ballot measure. We will refer to it as the ?Top-Two? in
that many contend it really is not a true open primary - one reason
being that write-ins are not allowed.


The GPCA had opposed this measure for many reasons. It was the main
topic of discussion in our conference call meeting on June 9th. (A link
to the press release issued by the GPCA Media Committee on June 9th
follows this message.)

There are already discussions within and outside of the Green Party
about lawsuits to challenge the measure on constitutional grounds --
particularly since the Washington top-two primary upon which it was
based is undergoing a second stage of court review and is scheduled for
trial on November 15th. We intend to monitor how that develops in US
District Court and whatever the result, upon its likely appeal to the US
Ninth Circuit Court.

In California there are many arguments with which we could mount a
reasonable legal challenge to Prop 14, although the outcome would be
uncertain. Any lawsuit will likely take at least a few years to reach
resolution, meaning it is likely that we will have to operate under the
Top Two in 2012. It is possible that if Prop 14 is overturned, it could
occur in enough time for us to operate under the current system in 2014.

_It is critical_ that GPCA members focus their immediate energies and
attentions towards supporting GPCA candidates who will be appearing on
the November 2010 election ballot. We have exciting and inspiring
candidates at all levels of office. We urge you to get involved with
either a local or statewide campaign. The better our candidates do, the
stronger our case is against Prop 14.

The CCWG intends to make Prop 14 part of its on-going agenda, and we
expect to present a report or hold a strategy forum at one of our two
next Plenaries. In the meantime, passage of Prop 14 creates some obvious
challenges and opportunities:

Proposition 14 does not affect the November 2010 ballot, so we want to
have as large a vote for our statewide office candidates as possible!.

Individuals who used voting in another political party's Primary
Election as their reason to not register in the Green Party, no longer
have that excuse (except in Presidential election years).

The pronounced problems with vote splitting, spoiling and low plurality
?winners? in Top Two primaries provide an opportunity to promote ranked
choice voting systems such as instant run-off voting.

Because the "Top Two" primary will apply to the 2012 legislative and
congressional elections, we need to look at places where Green Party
candidates might have a chance of being in the "top two" and generally,
we need our candidates to be starting their campaigns
sooner-rather-than-later.

Because the "Top Two" primary may also apply to the 2014 statewide
office elections, we need to boost our efforts to register more voters
into the Green Party to protect our status as a ballot recognized
political party. Prior to Prop 14, there were two ways for a party to
retain its ballot status. One was receiving at least 2% of the vote in a
statewide election for constitutional office like governor or secretary
of state. The other was to maintain a certain number of voter registrations.

Under the "Top Two", it is unlikely a statewide Green candidate will
reach the general election ballot. That leaves voter registration, which
specifically is maintaining a number of Green registrants equal to 1% of
the number of California voters who voted in the previous gubernatorial
general election. That number is currently 86,795 (based upon the 2006
elections) and will change with this year's new totals. The Green Party
of California currently has 112,655 registered voters
(http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ror/ror-pages/15day-prim-10/county.pdf).

We need a renewed focus on voter registration and grassroots politics.
If ever there was a time when the Green Party is needed as a voice for
the disenfranchised?? this is it! Please stay focused on the current
election cycle and we will also be very engaged in moving forward on
Prop 14.

Here is the link to our Press Release re Prop 14:

http://www.cagreens.org/press/pr100609.shtml

Thank you,
Kendra Gonzales
CCWG Co-Coordinator

_______________________________________________
Contacts2006 mailing list
Contacts2006 at cagreens.org
http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/contacts2006



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Mon Jun 21 00:21:30 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:21:30 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] A Climate Gate Retraction Story.
Message-ID: <4C1F12FA.4070408@aceweb.com>

http://www.realclimate.org/
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
"A sound system can put the harm in harmony." - Caroline Casey on KPFA


From tnharter at aceweb.com  Mon Jun 21 00:57:16 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 00:57:16 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Re: [SJBP BIRDs] Stop the Ban on Santa Clara
 County Cycling Events!]
Message-ID: <4C1F1B5C.4010002@aceweb.com>

Looks like the County Government might try regulating bike party.

I'm going to the meeting on Tuesday. Anyone else interested?

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [SJBP BIRDs] Stop the Ban on Santa Clara County Cycling
Events!
Date: 	Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:24:42 -0700
From: 	
To: 	birds at lists.sjbikeparty.org




I'm pretty sure I can attend. Anyone else?



-- Sent from my Palm Pixi

------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Jun 19, 2010 6:07 PM, Amber <amber at sjbikeparty.org> wrote:

//
Hi All,

This was on SVBC facebook page, I believe it is worthy of spreading.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	
Tuesday, June 22, 2010
Time: 	
10:00am - 12:30pm
Location: 	
San Clara County Board of Supervisors Chambers,
Street: 	
70 West Hedding St.,
City/Town: 	
San Jose, CA
	
View Map
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=70+West+Hedding+St.%2C+%2C+San+Jose%2C+CA>


      Description

The proposed County of Santa Clara Special Event Ordinance threatens
cycling events! Join us at the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors
meeting next Tuesday, June 22, to voice your concerns. The item is on
the agenda for 10 am, and is located in the BOARD OF SUPERVISORS'
CHAMBERS, 70 West Hedding Street, San Jose. Consider reading the agenda
and proposed ordinance (scroll down to agenda item #5). If you are not
able to join us in person, please email or call your Supervisor (click
here for contact info).

SVBC has been active in discussions with the County of Santa Clara
regarding this issue for several years, and our position is as follows:

"The Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition asks the Board of Supervisors to
reject the Special Events Ordinance for County Roads as it currently
stands, and to send it back to staff with the request it be simplified,
clarified, and made consistent with the California Vehicle code. In
particular, the ordinance should include a definition of what
constitutes a "Special Event."

We appreciate the efforts of County staff to work with the County
Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee and other members of the
bicycling community. We have spent many hours together working on this
ordinance, and it is greatly improved from the original. Nevertheless,
the current draft ordinance remains poorly worded, confusing, and
overreaching. In regard to bicycling, the County has no legal authority,
and no legitimate interest, in imposing conditions on bicycle traffic on
County roads.

http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/scc/boardagenda?contentId=f972f424b4349210VgnVCM10000048dc4a92____&agendaType=BOS+Agenda
<http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/scc/boardagenda?contentId=f972f424b4349210VgnVCM10000048dc4a92____&agendaType=BOS+Agenda>

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=137425936271903


-- 
"This is the true joy in life, the being used for a purpose you consider
a mighty one, the being like a force of nature, rather than a feverish,
selfish clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will
not devote itself to making you happy." George Bernard Shaw

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
"A sound system can put the harm in harmony." - Caroline Casey on KPFA
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Mon Jun 21 07:27:59 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:27:59 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Re: [SJBP BIRDs] Stop the Ban on Santa Clara
 County Cycling Events!]
In-Reply-To: <4C1F1B5C.4010002@aceweb.com>
References: <4C1F1B5C.4010002@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <4C1F76EF.2050700@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Tian:


       Could you please clarify the issue?


       On the sccgov.org web link you provided below, I see mention of 
bicycle parking and safety improvements plus "Construction of Bicycle 
Detection Loops on Lawrence Expressway".


       Where is there information about restricting peaceful assembly 
and use of public roads by bicyclists?


       Spencer


On 6/21/2010 12:57 AM, Tian Harter wrote:
> Looks like the County Government might try regulating bike party.
>
> I'm going to the meeting on Tuesday. Anyone else interested?
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Re: [SJBP BIRDs] Stop the Ban on Santa Clara County Cycling
> Events!
> Date: 	Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:24:42 -0700
> From: 	
> To: 	birds at lists.sjbikeparty.org
>
>
>
>
> I'm pretty sure I can attend. Anyone else?
>
>
>
> -- Sent from my Palm Pixi
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Jun 19, 2010 6:07 PM, Amber<amber at sjbikeparty.org>  wrote:
>
> //
> Hi All,
>
> This was on SVBC facebook page, I believe it is worthy of spreading.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> 	
> Tuesday, June 22, 2010
> Time: 	
> 10:00am - 12:30pm
> Location: 	
> San Clara County Board of Supervisors Chambers,
> Street: 	
> 70 West Hedding St.,
> City/Town: 	
> San Jose, CA
> 	
> View Map
> <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=70+West+Hedding+St.%2C+%2C+San+Jose%2C+CA>
>
>
>        Description
>
> The proposed County of Santa Clara Special Event Ordinance threatens
> cycling events! Join us at the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors
> meeting next Tuesday, June 22, to voice your concerns. The item is on
> the agenda for 10 am, and is located in the BOARD OF SUPERVISORS'
> CHAMBERS, 70 West Hedding Street, San Jose. Consider reading the agenda
> and proposed ordinance (scroll down to agenda item #5). If you are not
> able to join us in person, please email or call your Supervisor (click
> here for contact info).
>
> SVBC has been active in discussions with the County of Santa Clara
> regarding this issue for several years, and our position is as follows:
>
> "The Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition asks the Board of Supervisors to
> reject the Special Events Ordinance for County Roads as it currently
> stands, and to send it back to staff with the request it be simplified,
> clarified, and made consistent with the California Vehicle code. In
> particular, the ordinance should include a definition of what
> constitutes a "Special Event."
>
> We appreciate the efforts of County staff to work with the County
> Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee and other members of the
> bicycling community. We have spent many hours together working on this
> ordinance, and it is greatly improved from the original. Nevertheless,
> the current draft ordinance remains poorly worded, confusing, and
> overreaching. In regard to bicycling, the County has no legal authority,
> and no legitimate interest, in imposing conditions on bicycle traffic on
> County roads.
>
> http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/scc/boardagenda?contentId=f972f424b4349210VgnVCM10000048dc4a92____&agendaType=BOS+Agenda
> <http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/scc/boardagenda?contentId=f972f424b4349210VgnVCM10000048dc4a92____&agendaType=BOS+Agenda>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=137425936271903
>
>
>    
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
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-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 21 20:00:16 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:00:16 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KPFA in Danger!
Message-ID: <4C202740.4050302@earthlink.net>


I know nothing about this except what is in the email
below.  If anyone has more info, I would like to hear
it.  Others on the list probably would too.  It appears
to be a rather serious problem.

Greg Jan agrees with the writer, Akio Tanaka, on this.

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Please post ASAP!: Help Keep KPFA Community Radio - Become a
Voting Member Before June 30!
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:26:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Greg Jan


-------- Forwarded Message --------



Dear Fellow Greens (and allies),



I need your help in the coming days to help secure the future of a vital
media organization: KPFA radio. As you know, a small number of
corporations now control most of the media, and even ?public? media like
NPR fail to challenge the dominance of corporations and the military
machine. I'm proud to be associated with KPFA, an institution that does
stand uncompromisingly for peace and social justice.



Since KPFA's 1999 crisis was resolved, the station has been governed by
a Local Station Board (LSB) elected primarily by subscribers. Having an
elected board makes KPFA a more democratic organization than most other
media. However, in recent elections, there's been a close struggle
between advocates of preserving KPFA's status as a community-based
institution, versus those who want to make the station more like NPR,
and dilute its progressive voice. I and my allies on the Board belong to
an alliance called Independents for Community Radio (ICR).



Our opponents in recent elections have called themselves the ?Concerned
Listeners.? Now they've dropped that title and are using a new name,
?Save KPFA.? Little wonder they've changed their name this year, given
their record. While they held a majority on the LSB in 2008 and 2009:



- They ratified budgets that let KPFA operate in the red, quickly
depleting a six-figure cash reserve that had taken years to build.



- They stubbornly backed an inept General Manager who lost a $375,000
donation by letting the check go undeposited.



- When Berkeley Police attacked and injured a KPFA volunteer on station
premises, they reacted by blaming the victim and blocked a Board
investigation.



- They supported an attempt to break the Unpaid Staff Organization, the
only collective representation for KPFA's volunteer staff (who produce
the majority of the station's programs).



- They tout ?professionalism,? but ignore the many outstanding programs
created by unpaid community-based programmers, such as Africa Today,
Guns & Butter, Pushing Limits and Bay Native Circle. Nor have they
supported the paid staff who create Flashpoints and Hard Knock Radio.



In short, ?Save KPFA? won't abide by their name, because they're
undermining the qualities that make KPFA great. What KPFA needs to be
saved from ..... is them!



The group that I support, Independents for Community Radio, recognizes
that good radio need not be ?professional;? we support the numerous
excellent programs produced by volunteers (such as La Onda Bajita,
Voices of the Middle East, and many more). We want to see a Board and a
management that will promote unity between the paid staff and unpaid
staff, instead of trying to divide them. And we stand for responsible
budgeting, to keep KPFA on the air despite the dismal economy. Our 2010
team of candidates will be assembled soon; in the meantime, to read more
about us, see our 2009 campaign site, www.indyradio2009.org
<http://www.indyradio2009.org/>.



Last year we won a slim majority on the Board, and the station is now in
the process of hiring a new General Manager. But there's much more work
to be done. Please help us by supporting ICR in this year's election. If
you've subscribed to KPFA since last July, you'll be eligible to vote in
this year's election. If not, please subscribe now! June 30 is the
deadline to subscribe in time to vote. A basic annual membership is only
$25 - go to www.kpfa.org <http://www.kpfa.org/> to subscribe with a
credit card (if you mail a check, it must arrive by June 30 at KPFA,
1929 Martin Luther King Jr. Way, Berkeley, CA 94704.)



Thank you,



Akio Tanaka

Member, KPFA Local Station Board

County Council member, Green Party of Alameda County












From tnharter at aceweb.com  Mon Jun 21 22:37:32 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:37:32 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Re: [SJBP BIRDs] Stop the Ban on Santa
 ClaraCounty Cycling Events!]
In-Reply-To: <4C1F76EF.2050700@prodsyse.com>
References: <4C1F1B5C.4010002@aceweb.com> <4C1F76EF.2050700@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <4C204C1C.8080202@aceweb.com>

The time slot we're talking about is the 10AM one. There is a .pdf
of the ordinance on the agenda there, which Toby read and analyzed
below. I read it to, and I came to about the same conclusion, except
that I'm more worried about the "requiring insurance" part than he
seems to be.

Toby Vanderbeek wrote:
> SJBP,
>
> I was going to chime in with the same comment that this Ordinance is
> from the County and only pertains to County Roads, Expressways, etc.
> andall roads in unincorporated areas of SCC. "County Road" is
> different than "road in the county". It does affect the SJBP if we
> ride on any of these Roads. I'm not sure of the implications of merely
> crossing County Roads while we stay on city roads. I'm not an attorney
> nor do I have any legal authority but I have read many of these types
> of documents and have experience interpreting them. I've read all of
> the available documents twice that pertain to this issue and would
> like to point out a few things. Because of the size of the group, we
> would fall into the "Major Special Event" category [Section B3-146
> (h)(3) "Any event on a road involving more than 500 people"] so we can
> ignore the other categories and their implications. My biggest
> concerns with this category is that notification must be made to the
> County no less than 60 days before the event [Section B3-149 (b)] and
> that the permit can be denied for almost any reason. And that any fees
> are "actual cost" which could be huge. (the other categories have fees
> of $98 and $200). And my final concern is that insurance would be
> required [Section B3-155 (a)] which is in itself prohibitive for a
> group like ours. I'll send an email to the County Supervisors asking
> them to reconsider this Ordinance and urge other SJBP members to email
> if they can't make it to the meeting.
>
> It appears by the wordings in several locations that the Board is
> ready to accept this Ordinance; it's up to us to stop it or at least
> ask that they take a look at it from another point of view.
>
> Regards,
>
> Toby

In other words, they are insisting that anything that doesn't give them
60 day notice, fill out a permit request and pay large sums of money
isn't allowed to use the roads. Bike Party is 100% volunteer, so that
kind of organization just isn't part of the mix at this point in time.

Tian

spencerg wrote:
> Hi, Tian: 
> 
> 
>       Could you please clarify the issue? 
> 
> 
>       On the sccgov.org web link you provided below, I see mention of
> bicycle parking and safety improvements plus "Construction of Bicycle
> Detection Loops on Lawrence Expressway". 
> 
> 
>       Where is there information about restricting peaceful assembly and
> use of public roads by bicyclists? 
> 
> 
>       Spencer
> 
> 
> On 6/21/2010 12:57 AM, Tian Harter wrote:
>> Looks like the County Government might try regulating bike party.
>>
>> I'm going to the meeting on Tuesday. Anyone else interested?
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: 	Re: [SJBP BIRDs] Stop the Ban on Santa Clara County Cycling
>> Events!
>> Date: 	Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:24:42 -0700
>> From: 	
>> To: 	birds at lists.sjbikeparty.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I can attend. Anyone else?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Sent from my Palm Pixi
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> On Jun 19, 2010 6:07 PM, Amber <amber at sjbikeparty.org> wrote:
>>
>> //
>> Hi All,
>>
>> This was on SVBC facebook page, I believe it is worthy of spreading.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> 	
>> Tuesday, June 22, 2010
>> Time: 	
>> 10:00am - 12:30pm
>> Location: 	
>> San Clara County Board of Supervisors Chambers,
>> Street: 	
>> 70 West Hedding St.,
>> City/Town: 	
>> San Jose, CA
>> 	
>> View Map
>> <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=70+West+Hedding+St.%2C+%2C+San+Jose%2C+CA>
>>
>>
>>       Description
>>
>> The proposed County of Santa Clara Special Event Ordinance threatens
>> cycling events! Join us at the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors
>> meeting next Tuesday, June 22, to voice your concerns. The item is on
>> the agenda for 10 am, and is located in the BOARD OF SUPERVISORS'
>> CHAMBERS, 70 West Hedding Street, San Jose. Consider reading the agenda
>> and proposed ordinance (scroll down to agenda item #5). If you are not
>> able to join us in person, please email or call your Supervisor (click
>> here for contact info).
>>
>> SVBC has been active in discussions with the County of Santa Clara
>> regarding this issue for several years, and our position is as follows:
>>
>> "The Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition asks the Board of Supervisors to
>> reject the Special Events Ordinance for County Roads as it currently
>> stands, and to send it back to staff with the request it be simplified,
>> clarified, and made consistent with the California Vehicle code. In
>> particular, the ordinance should include a definition of what
>> constitutes a "Special Event."
>>
>> We appreciate the efforts of County staff to work with the County
>> Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Committee and other members of the
>> bicycling community. We have spent many hours together working on this
>> ordinance, and it is greatly improved from the original. Nevertheless,
>> the current draft ordinance remains poorly worded, confusing, and
>> overreaching. In regard to bicycling, the County has no legal authority,
>> and no legitimate interest, in imposing conditions on bicycle traffic on
>> County roads.
>>
>> http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/scc/boardagenda?contentId=f972f424b4349210VgnVCM10000048dc4a92____&agendaType=BOS+Agenda
>> <http://www.sccgov.org/portal/site/scc/boardagenda?contentId=f972f424b4349210VgnVCM10000048dc4a92____&agendaType=BOS+Agenda>
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=137425936271903
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> -- 
> Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
> President and Chief Operating Officer
> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
> 751 Emerson Ct.
> San Jos?, CA 95126
> ph:  408-655-4567
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
"A sound system can put the harm in harmony." - Caroline Casey on KPFA


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 22 00:03:10 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:03:10 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: [Alt-Media] Cities and states have the power to
	drive financial	reform]
Message-ID: <4C20602E.9070600@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Alt-Media] Cities and states have the power to drive financial	reform
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:43:01 -0700
From: "Alt-Media: News and views from an alternative perspective"	<alt-media at cagreens.org>
Reply-To: alt-media-owner at cagreens.org
To: alt-media at cagreens.org


Financial Reform: The Collective Power of Local Government vs. Big Banks

By Richard Alarc?n

(Huffington Post, May 24) -- Across the U.S., newspaper headlines lead 
with stories about financial reform. Congress wants to better regulate 
Wall Street and take on the Big Banking fat cats, with their golden 
parachutes and big bonuses, who got us into this mess in the first 
place, and then took our hard-earned tax dollars in the form of a 
federal bail-out.

	Congress is right to take on the big banks -- reform at the national 
level is long overdue and obviously needed. But amidst the national 
overhaul, the seeds of reform -- the work done at the state and local 
level -- cannot be overlooked or superseded.

	True reform of our banking and financial systems will take pressure and 
action at every level, and across the nation.

	Americans are fed up with billionaires bilking us for all we are worth -- 
and making the middle class the biggest losers in the process. Our 
friends and neighbors have lost their homes, as well as the pensions or 
retirement savings they worked for their whole lives, and are struggling 
to find work in the worst economy of our lifetimes.

	In the meantime, Wall Street is back to business as usual, posting new 
profits, while those on the other side of the deals have lost their 
homes, their jobs, and their retirement savings.

	With all of the anger and distrust of Wall Street, we have hit a place 
where we are ready for a basic cultural shift -- from looking at our 
investments and banking solely on the basis of short-term profits, to 
using it to produce true, long-term growth by investing our funds in 
economic growth opportunities that directly impact our communities.

	We cannot let this historic opportunity pass us by. We must channel our 
inner Howard Beale and scream from our windows, "I'm mad as hell, and 
I'm not going to take it anymore". Our outrage must be heard, not just 
in words but in action.

	At the city level, this cultural shift means investing our money in banks 
that help Main Street grow by offering small business loans, working 
with homeowners facing foreclosure to renegotiate mortgages, and opening 
up bank branches and credit in under-served areas, by creating local 
versions of the Community Reinvestment Act standards.

	After all, what good does it do Los Angeles if the banks in which the 
bulk of our tax dollars sit are investing that money in another city, 
far away? That's why the Los Angeles City Council unanimously supported 
my proposal to create Responsible Banking Standards in Los Angeles, 
based on a model that Philadelphia put in place in 2002.

	Los Angeles alone has a cash and pension portfolio of over $25 billion, 
which allows us to leverage these investments in such a way to benefit 
the residents of our city -- not just through the rate of return, but by 
looking at how the banks and financial institutions invest in our community.

	The ordinance will require that any bank looking to do business with Los 
Angeles would have to submit a report to the City Treasurer who, in 
turn, would grade the banks based on their investments in Los Angeles.

	And we're not the only ones -- cities including Boston, Carson City, 
Charlotte, Dallas, Denver, Independence, Muskegon, and Watsonville are 
all looking into creating similar standards for Responsible Banking. 
Just this week, Boston City Councilor Felix Arroyo is hosting a hearing 
to examine how to hold big banks accountable in their city.

	The states of California, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Mexico, Ohio and 
Washington are also all considering or have implemented sweeping 
financial reforms, including looking at the creation of state-run banks 
or investing only in state-chartered banks.

	The anger is papalpablepable, and the time for reform is now. We've lost 
our trust in the banks that took our bail-out money, and let hundreds of 
thousands of homes fall into foreclosure.

	We've lost our trust in Wall Street, where companies gained enormous 
profits, betting on the demise of investments. We've lost trust in the 
rating agencies, when 93% of the subprime-mortgage-backed securities 
issued in 2006 had AAA ratings -- and are now "junk" status.

	The only way that trust is going to be restored is with sweeping reform. 
That's why Congress must pass substantive financial reform, so that 
Americans can begin to believe again. But at the same time, economic 
reform -- just as powerful -- must come from the cities and states. 
Collectively, our leverage is enormous.

	I introduced a resolution at the National League of Cities in support of 
local reform, because I know the power we could have if we banded 
together. Local and state officials know the pain of our constituents, 
and know the benefit that can be derived from holding banks and 
financial institutions more accountable.

	The notion that we can create real change is not just pie in the sky. The 
city of Philadelphia has had their policy in place since 2002, which has 
resulted in increased consumer and small business lending to 
historically under-served areas of that city.

	And on April 16, Massachusetts State Treasurer Timothy Cahill announced 
that the state government will begin divesting $243 million in taxpayer 
dollars from three of the nation's largest banks -- Bank of America, 
Citibank, and Wells Fargo.

	The decision came after the banks were asked, and refused, to voluntarily 
comply with an 18% interest rate cap on credit cards and other consumer 
borrowing for Massachusetts residents. The cap, which is required of all 
Massachusetts state-chartered banks, does not apply to 
federally-chartered banks.

	These actions are just the beginning of our cultural shift. More cities 
and states are needed to create real pressure on the banks. I urge every 
city to create standards for how taxpayer dollars are invested and find 
ways to ensure that the dollars are going to banks and financial 
institutions that are behaving well.

	Shouting may not get what we want -- but you can bet that billions of 
dollars taken elsewhere will get banks' attention. We're mad as hell -- 
and we don't have to take it any more.

-----------------------

Richard Alarc?n is a member of the Los Angeles City Council.

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 22 11:05:15 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:05:15 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] More re Net Neutrality
Message-ID: <4C20FB5B.6030803@earthlink.net>


FYI,

"The Fate of the Internet. Decided in a Back Room"

     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/06/22-3

Gerry




From eameece at sfo.com  Tue Jun 22 11:09:48 2010
From: eameece at sfo.com (eameece at sfo.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:09:48 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KPFA in Danger!
In-Reply-To: <4C202740.4050302@earthlink.net>
References: <4C202740.4050302@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6077bab6fd1deb082e5329a39a9146c5.squirrel@www.sfo.com>

I'll consider this;
meanwhile, I hope any greens who are members of our local community
station KKUP will vote against the current Board. KKUP faces a similar
problem, except that it is far more severe. The current Board and General
Manager are oriented only to their own interests, and are depriving the
station of many programs that used to make the station great. They are
stuck in their ways and won't innovate. Their membership is dominated by
corporate engineers. If you are a member, please vote for Allen Leinwand,
who should bring a fresh voice to the KKUP Board.

Eric the Green

> I know nothing about this except what is in the email
> below.  If anyone has more info, I would like to hear
> it.  Others on the list probably would too.  It appears
> to be a rather serious problem.
>
> Greg Jan agrees with the writer, Akio Tanaka, on this.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Please post ASAP!: Help Keep KPFA Community Radio - Become a
> Voting Member Before June 30!
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:26:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Greg Jan
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>
>
>
> Dear Fellow Greens (and allies),
>
>
>
> I need your help in the coming days to help secure the future of a vital
> media organization: KPFA radio. As you know, a small number of
> corporations now control most of the media, and even ???public??? media
> like
> NPR fail to challenge the dominance of corporations and the military
> machine. I'm proud to be associated with KPFA, an institution that does
> stand uncompromisingly for peace and social justice.
>
>
>
> Since KPFA's 1999 crisis was resolved, the station has been governed by
> a Local Station Board (LSB) elected primarily by subscribers. Having an
> elected board makes KPFA a more democratic organization than most other
> media. However, in recent elections, there's been a close struggle
> between advocates of preserving KPFA's status as a community-based
> institution, versus those who want to make the station more like NPR,
> and dilute its progressive voice. I and my allies on the Board belong to
> an alliance called Independents for Community Radio (ICR).
>
>
>
> Our opponents in recent elections have called themselves the ???Concerned
> Listeners.??? Now they've dropped that title and are using a new name,
> ???Save KPFA.??? Little wonder they've changed their name this year, given
> their record. While they held a majority on the LSB in 2008 and 2009:
>
>
>
> - They ratified budgets that let KPFA operate in the red, quickly
> depleting a six-figure cash reserve that had taken years to build.
>
>
>
> - They stubbornly backed an inept General Manager who lost a $375,000
> donation by letting the check go undeposited.
>
>
>
> - When Berkeley Police attacked and injured a KPFA volunteer on station
> premises, they reacted by blaming the victim and blocked a Board
> investigation.
>
>
>
> - They supported an attempt to break the Unpaid Staff Organization, the
> only collective representation for KPFA's volunteer staff (who produce
> the majority of the station's programs).
>
>
>
> - They tout ???professionalism,??? but ignore the many outstanding
> programs
> created by unpaid community-based programmers, such as Africa Today,
> Guns & Butter, Pushing Limits and Bay Native Circle. Nor have they
> supported the paid staff who create Flashpoints and Hard Knock Radio.
>
>
>
> In short, ???Save KPFA??? won't abide by their name, because they're
> undermining the qualities that make KPFA great. What KPFA needs to be
> saved from ..... is them!
>
>
>
> The group that I support, Independents for Community Radio, recognizes
> that good radio need not be ???professional;??? we support the numerous
> excellent programs produced by volunteers (such as La Onda Bajita,
> Voices of the Middle East, and many more). We want to see a Board and a
> management that will promote unity between the paid staff and unpaid
> staff, instead of trying to divide them. And we stand for responsible
> budgeting, to keep KPFA on the air despite the dismal economy. Our 2010
> team of candidates will be assembled soon; in the meantime, to read more
> about us, see our 2009 campaign site, www.indyradio2009.org
> <http://www.indyradio2009.org/>.
>
>
>
> Last year we won a slim majority on the Board, and the station is now in
> the process of hiring a new General Manager. But there's much more work
> to be done. Please help us by supporting ICR in this year's election. If
> you've subscribed to KPFA since last July, you'll be eligible to vote in
> this year's election. If not, please subscribe now! June 30 is the
> deadline to subscribe in time to vote. A basic annual membership is only
> $25 - go to www.kpfa.org <http://www.kpfa.org/> to subscribe with a
> credit card (if you mail a check, it must arrive by June 30 at KPFA,
> 1929 Martin Luther King Jr. Way, Berkeley, CA 94704.)
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Akio Tanaka
>
> Member, KPFA Local Station Board
>
> County Council member, Green Party of Alameda County
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss




From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 18:30:21 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:30:21 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] LA State Police Working for BP
Message-ID: <BAY140-W19041963B3103A1477AE859EC50@phx.gbl>



A guy from Ducks Unlimited was making a video across the road from a BP facility.  
A Louisiana State Police officer strongly suggested that he not film, because BP
didn't want any filming.  Later he pulled the activist's car over and a BP security 
officer that was with him interrogated the guy for 20 minutes.  Then they tailed
him for 20 miles.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/bronstein/detail?entry_id=66303






 		 	   		  
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 23 01:16:42 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 01:16:42 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Emotional Responses to Collapse?
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Robert Jensen wants to know people's emotional responses
to collapse.

"The Anguish of the Age: Emotional Reactions to Collapse"

     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/06/22-4

Gerry



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 23 16:14:18 2010
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:14:18 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Mutant BP Logo Protest Graphics
Message-ID: <BAY140-W2408ACDE63FDADF8AC713E9EC50@phx.gbl>





http://www.recoverygraphics.com/displayimage.php?album=107&pos=0
   If anyone's interested, I can print "coloring book" images of the BP sunflower in black ink at 
11X11 (one sheet) or 17 X 17 (two sheets).   Non-toxic poster paint at Michael's is $2 a bottle, 
the last bargain in America.











 		 	   		  
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Wed Jun 23 23:17:35 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:17:35 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bike Party had World Cup Fever last Friday
Message-ID: <4C22F87F.9060400@aceweb.com>

In case you just want the highlights, Mexico was by far the favored
team. I also saw people representing USA, Brazil, Argentina, Japan,
South Africa, Germany, England, Italy, Portugal, Australia, Chile,
Switzerland, and Bhutan. See the details at:

http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/BikeParty/WorldCup10/index.html

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org



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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:15:47 EDT
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Thu Jun 24 11:17:09 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:17:09 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KPFA in Danger!
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I voted for Tanaka for LSB. Yes. He is reflecting what has been going on 
at KPFA for some time. He reveals some things of which I was unaware. 
Please support this group. It has always puzzled me why some of the 
long-time programmers support Concerned Listeners now under a new name: 
This includes Chris Welch and Mitch Jeserich maybe C. S. Sung.


I believe Tanaka is a creditable source.


Betsy Wolf-Graves


On 6/22/2010 11:09 AM, eameece at sfo.com wrote:
> I'll consider this;
> meanwhile, I hope any greens who are members of our local community
> station KKUP will vote against the current Board. KKUP faces a similar
> problem, except that it is far more severe. The current Board and General
> Manager are oriented only to their own interests, and are depriving the
> station of many programs that used to make the station great. They are
> stuck in their ways and won't innovate. Their membership is dominated by
> corporate engineers. If you are a member, please vote for Allen Leinwand,
> who should bring a fresh voice to the KKUP Board.
>
> Eric the Green
>
>    
>> I know nothing about this except what is in the email
>> below.  If anyone has more info, I would like to hear
>> it.  Others on the list probably would too.  It appears
>> to be a rather serious problem.
>>
>> Greg Jan agrees with the writer, Akio Tanaka, on this.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Please post ASAP!: Help Keep KPFA Community Radio - Become a
>> Voting Member Before June 30!
>> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:26:16 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Greg Jan
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Fellow Greens (and allies),
>>
>>
>>
>> I need your help in the coming days to help secure the future of a vital
>> media organization: KPFA radio. As you know, a small number of
>> corporations now control most of the media, and even ???public??? media
>> like
>> NPR fail to challenge the dominance of corporations and the military
>> machine. I'm proud to be associated with KPFA, an institution that does
>> stand uncompromisingly for peace and social justice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since KPFA's 1999 crisis was resolved, the station has been governed by
>> a Local Station Board (LSB) elected primarily by subscribers. Having an
>> elected board makes KPFA a more democratic organization than most other
>> media. However, in recent elections, there's been a close struggle
>> between advocates of preserving KPFA's status as a community-based
>> institution, versus those who want to make the station more like NPR,
>> and dilute its progressive voice. I and my allies on the Board belong to
>> an alliance called Independents for Community Radio (ICR).
>>
>>
>>
>> Our opponents in recent elections have called themselves the ???Concerned
>> Listeners.??? Now they've dropped that title and are using a new name,
>> ???Save KPFA.??? Little wonder they've changed their name this year, given
>> their record. While they held a majority on the LSB in 2008 and 2009:
>>
>>
>>
>> - They ratified budgets that let KPFA operate in the red, quickly
>> depleting a six-figure cash reserve that had taken years to build.
>>
>>
>>
>> - They stubbornly backed an inept General Manager who lost a $375,000
>> donation by letting the check go undeposited.
>>
>>
>>
>> - When Berkeley Police attacked and injured a KPFA volunteer on station
>> premises, they reacted by blaming the victim and blocked a Board
>> investigation.
>>
>>
>>
>> - They supported an attempt to break the Unpaid Staff Organization, the
>> only collective representation for KPFA's volunteer staff (who produce
>> the majority of the station's programs).
>>
>>
>>
>> - They tout ???professionalism,??? but ignore the many outstanding
>> programs
>> created by unpaid community-based programmers, such as Africa Today,
>> Guns&  Butter, Pushing Limits and Bay Native Circle. Nor have they
>> supported the paid staff who create Flashpoints and Hard Knock Radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> In short, ???Save KPFA??? won't abide by their name, because they're
>> undermining the qualities that make KPFA great. What KPFA needs to be
>> saved from ..... is them!
>>
>>
>>
>> The group that I support, Independents for Community Radio, recognizes
>> that good radio need not be ???professional;??? we support the numerous
>> excellent programs produced by volunteers (such as La Onda Bajita,
>> Voices of the Middle East, and many more). We want to see a Board and a
>> management that will promote unity between the paid staff and unpaid
>> staff, instead of trying to divide them. And we stand for responsible
>> budgeting, to keep KPFA on the air despite the dismal economy. Our 2010
>> team of candidates will be assembled soon; in the meantime, to read more
>> about us, see our 2009 campaign site, www.indyradio2009.org
>> <http://www.indyradio2009.org/>.
>>
>>
>>
>> Last year we won a slim majority on the Board, and the station is now in
>> the process of hiring a new General Manager. But there's much more work
>> to be done. Please help us by supporting ICR in this year's election. If
>> you've subscribed to KPFA since last July, you'll be eligible to vote in
>> this year's election. If not, please subscribe now! June 30 is the
>> deadline to subscribe in time to vote. A basic annual membership is only
>> $25 - go to www.kpfa.org<http://www.kpfa.org/>  to subscribe with a
>> credit card (if you mail a check, it must arrive by June 30 at KPFA,
>> 1929 Martin Luther King Jr. Way, Berkeley, CA 94704.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Akio Tanaka
>>
>> Member, KPFA Local Station Board
>>
>> County Council member, Green Party of Alameda County
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>    


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 24 13:31:34 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:31:34 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "South of the Border"
Message-ID: <4C23C0A6.9000200@earthlink.net>


Oliver Stone has made a movie called "South of the Border".
It apparently is about how South America has changed as a
result of the failure of the U.S. supported coup against
Hugo Chavez.

This shows where it will be appearing in a few locations
around the world, not a lot of places:

http://southoftheborderdoc.com/in-theatres/

Apparently it starts tomorrow in New York City only.

It will start in San Francisco and Berkeley on July 16.

It may not show in many places, and it may not last long
wherever it does show.

I am considering going up to S.F. to see it.



For more info:

"Stone's 'Border' Shows Fall of South America's Berlin Wall"
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/06/24-3

Here's the imdb entry:
     http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1337137/


Gerry





From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 25 16:03:07 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:03:07 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Who's on the County Council?
Message-ID: <4C2535AB.8060608@earthlink.net>


I need to send an email to the county council.
And we have had a new county council since the
primary, June 8.

The contact page at
     http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/contact.shtml

still shows the previous county council.

So who's on the county council now?

Gerry



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sat Jun 26 00:07:55 2010
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:07:55 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Honda's office called re contact info
In-Reply-To: <4C253874.7020806@earthlink.net>
References: <4C253874.7020806@earthlink.net>
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There's also the "P. O. Box 390372, Mountain View CA 94039-0372"
address. I still check the mailbox regularly.

Gerry Gras wrote:
> 
> FYI,
> 
> I don't want to wait for the answer to the question about
> who is on the CC ...
> 
> I got a call today from someone who said he was calling
> from Honda's office.  He wanted to know what is the correct
> info for contacting us, to send info to.  I do not assume
> that there are any plans to specifically call the GPSCC
> only on some matter, I assume we are just being added to
> some list.
> 
> I said the phone number he used was fine.  (I assume it
> was the 408-22-EARTH number.)  And I said the best email
> address is santaclara at cagreens.org (which still comes to
> me).
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: World Cup pictures from Friday's San Jose Bike Party!


From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 26 11:08:35 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:08:35 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] immigration
Message-ID: <4C264223.5040005@sbcglobal.net>

*Papers: The Movie* 
<http://e2ma.net/go/6710889066/208233688/214186540/35537/goto:http://www.papersthemovie.com/>
Tuesday, June 29 at 6:00 PM
Biblioteca Latinoamericana Library, 921 S. First St, San Jose

"Papers" is the story of undocumented youth and the challenges they face
as they turn 18 without legal status.

There are approximately 2 million undocumented children who were born
outside the U.S. and raised in this country. These are young people who
were educated in American schools, hold American values, know only the U.S.
as home and who, upon high school graduation, find the door to their future
slammed shut.


From andi at wrytor.com  Sun Jun 27 07:37:46 2010
From: andi at wrytor.com (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:37:46 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
In-Reply-To: <4C1788AF.6040701@prodsyse.com>
References: <852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<4C1741F2.4040402@aceweb.com>
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I think there is plenty of right wing stuff out there?what's missing is our progressive perspective.  And our candidates' perspectives.
I know I don't have the energy to combat these people who are quite willing to waste one's time in rhetoric.
Flaming is not usually productive.  Been there, done that, many years ago.  I just walked away after a while, seeing that an endless wrangle is just that: endless.
I don't think we have the numbers to spread ourselves over all the political spectrum.  
If we can maintain our own newsletter/webpage/"wiki" sites to our advantage, we will be doing a magnificent job.  
I'd love to end up with a SHORT, snappy hardcopy version that we could give out at tabling events. 
Just my thoughts.
Andrea

On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:05 AM, spencerg wrote:

>      A "Green Wikinews" could feature Tian's photojournalism alongside volunteer reports of meetings of local political bodies like the San Jose City Council, the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors, school boards, etc.  The Wiki format would make it easy for people with different perspectives to be heard.  Discussions of controversial issues might ultimately get locked, with flames being directed to "talk pages", and edits to the main discussion of the event or issue would be made by designated editors, selected for their ability to describe each side fairly with balance, referencing available evidence, research, etc., recognizing that apparently solid research can be misinterpreted or even fraudulent.  We could also invite people to post comments on "moveon.org", the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, etc.  If someone posts right wing comments, someone else can edit such to tone down the rhetoric and respectfully add references to sources that provide solid evidence contradicting the claims.
> 
> 
>      Spencer
> 
> 
> ##################
> On 6/15/2010 3:05 AM, spencerg wrote:
>>      I agree with Tian that our home page could be more like a cover / table of contents.  However, rather than a magazine with input restricted to insiders, I suggest we create a Green Wiki with Wikinews, etc.  If we get Libertarians modifying our stuff, GREAT!  Readers would come to watch (and sometimes join) the virtual food fight.  Anyone can write a story for Wikinews.  We could allow anyone (even anti-Greens) to write a story for our Green Wikinews.  Like the main Wiki and Wikinews, if we don't like it, we change it.
>> 
>> 
>>      If we get malicious modifications, the Wiki process allows us to limit edit rights to only selected individuals.  We control who gets on our Wiki editorial staff to referee the action.  People who don't like what is said can still provide commentary on "Talk" pages behind each page.
>> 
>> 
>>      I think it would be great if we could, at least for some issues, split the display into two or three columns:  The right hand column would be a right wing perspective.  We might even invite some Libertarians to edit that.  With two columns, the left hand side would present our perspective.  With three columns, the left hand side could be for allegations for which we can't find much evidence -- but which are not libelous -- and the middle would be our main position, nuanced to either provide references and links, similar to Wikipedia, or comments like in Wikipedia, "needs references" -- or calls for honest research on such issues.
>> 
>> 
>>      Spencer
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/15/2010 2:03 AM, Tian Harter wrote:
>>> I think if we started by making the front page of our website more like
>>> a magazine cover/table of contents, and got people interested in
>>> visiting at least once a month to catch up on us, that would be a start.
>>> 
>>> Tian
>>> 
>>> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy
>>>> to be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to
>>>> Food 4 Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green
>>>> people in business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He
>>>> seems to love to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>>>> 
>>>> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health
>>>> insurance horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can
>>>> work for SB810. I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
>>>> Caroline
>>>> 
>>>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey /<andid at cagreens.org>/* wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>     From: Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>
>>>>     Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose&  Tian's Graphic
>>>>     Expertise...
>>>>     To: "Caroline Yacoub"<carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>>>     Cc: "Tian Harter"<tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry
>>>>     Gras"<gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue"<td at studiotom.com>,
>>>>     "Dale Warner"<dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"
>>>> <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>, "Carol Brouillet"
>>>> <cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred"<fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes Rolley"
>>>> <wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
>>>>     Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
>>>> 
>>>>     Wow, Caroline!  What a great idea!
>>>> 
>>>>     To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market
>>>>     segment.  What and who would be our audience?  Greens and wanna be
>>>>     Greens?  What do they need from us?  A way to frame each Green issue
>>>>     that makes it superior to anything the two majors are doing?  To add
>>>>     to the GP juggernaut that we need for our swan song, if that's what
>>>>     Prop 14 hands us?
>>>> 
>>>>     The horrendous oil spill is an easy one.  So, I think, is the issue
>>>>     of neverending wars.  Add to that, the wretched health care system
>>>>     that demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers."
>>>> 
>>>>     All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and
>>>>     we've got a winner for a magazine.  Not so easy, but doable if we
>>>>     put our heads together.  We need "white papers" from the Green
>>>>     Party:  we have Fred, Wes, Jim S, and me?all of whom have written
>>>>     articles and flyers for GP issues.   Add to this the contingent who
>>>>     send emails and monitor what's going on out there like Gerry and
>>>>     Alex who also write.  Did I miss anyone here?
>>>> 
>>>>     We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?
>>>> 
>>>>     We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push
>>>>     our candidates.  KPFA could provide state bank info and so could
>>>>     Carol Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the
>>>>     recent past.
>>>> 
>>>>     Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations!  Some of it
>>>>     would make great humor!
>>>> 
>>>>     And we could advertise Caroline's creations!  Green
>>>>     businesses?locally to start.
>>>> 
>>>>     And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at
>>>>     tabling.
>>>> 
>>>>     Other ideas?
>>>> 
>>>>     Did I just scare everyone away?<sigh>   Sorry, it's the freelancer
>>>>     and adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm.  I'll
>>>>     go away...<mumble, mumble>
>>>> 
>>>>     Andrea
>>>> 
>>>>     On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>     Well once again you have done a splendid job of  recording the
>>>>>     event. I think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our
>>>>>     own editorials and everything.
>>>>> 
>>>>>     --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter /<tnharter at aceweb.com
>>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>>/*
>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>         From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com
>>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>>
>>>>>         Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
>>>>>         To: "Post South SF Bay discus"<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>> 
>>>>>         Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>>>>> 
>>>>>         A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
>>>>>         in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>>>>> 
>>>>>         I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
>>>>> 
>>>>>         http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
>>>>>         --
>>>>>         Tian
>>>>>         http://tian.greens.org<http://tian.greens.org/>
>>>>>         Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
>>>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>>>         sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>         sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>>>>>         http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>>>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
> President and Chief Operating Officer
> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
> 751 Emerson Ct.
> San Jos?, CA 95126
> ph:  408-655-4567
> 
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From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Jun 27 07:41:20 2010
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:41:20 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
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On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:05 AM, spencerg wrote:

>     I think it would be great if we could, at least for some issues, split the display into two or three columns:  The right hand column would be a right wing perspective.  We might even invite some Libertarians to edit that.  With two columns, the left hand side would present our perspective.  With three columns, the left hand side could be for allegations for which we can't find much evidence -- but which are not libelous -- and the middle would be our main position, nuanced to either provide references and links, similar to Wikipedia, or comments like in Wikipedia, "needs references" -- or calls for honest research on such issues.

This is an interesting idea.  It will take research to do this.  Are you interested enough to take this on?
Andrea 

From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Jun 27 07:42:54 2010
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:42:54 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
In-Reply-To: <20100615151952.219156A911@truffula.sj.ca.us>
References: <20100615151952.219156A911@truffula.sj.ca.us>
Message-ID: <F8D989ED-0013-4F15-B99B-967A48380D3F@cagreens.org>

This sounds good, Cameron.  Will you be monitoring this?
Andrea

On Jun 15, 2010, at 8:19 AM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:

> 
>> I suggest we create a Green Wiki with Wikinews, 
> 
> We already have our own public Wiki.  I suggest we retain
> control of our own content, instead of trusting it to a
> trendy Web 2.0 startup that could die or get swallowed by
> Newscorp tomorrow.  Drop me a line and I'll get you started.
> Make a GP of SCC page there and we can frame it on the page
> we have now.  Go Spencer go!
> 
> -Cameron
> 
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From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Jun 27 07:55:34 2010
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:55:34 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim0b6FZAg8zExWT1zQBwWLCLkIKDOXuQuUd_sVG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AA42C07D-BE98-4235-85A3-54B61DCC71AF@cagreens.org>
	<852568.33557.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Information like this would give good take-away, real value to a newsletter/website/or "wiki"?  We would be the helpful, knowledgeable political group we want to be.
You would be a wonderful resource for this project, Roy!  We need, BTW, to add Green advertisers (like Roy) to this project, so their knowledge is not just used, but rewarded with business possibilities as well.
Andrea

On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Palm Haven Handyman wrote:

> Top notch idea, might even be able to involve some other local Greens who are not into coming to meetings or tabling, but would like to help in some small way to making a project coalesce and produce a decent product.
> 
> I would love contribute a regular column about greywater, I recently installed the first permitted greywater system in Santa Clara County, and am installing three more, including a constructed bog in a tub and a constructed wetland of edible native california plants.  People are interested in these sort of things these days; a few weekends ago I gave a workshop on greywater that was a big success.
> 
> People are interested in GREENBUILDING these days and us Greens are naturally at the forefront, and could be something to capitalize on.  I am starting to create a greenbuilding column that I can sell to the local papers, and maybe syndicate-ize.  I have been waiting for someone else to do it, but it has not happened yet.  I am a pretty good writer, I am thinking I might have an opportunity.  I like the idea of using Green Party as focus for this effort...
> 
>   
> Roy III
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net> wrote:
> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy to be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to Food 4 Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green people in business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He seems to love to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>  
> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health insurance horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can work for SB810. I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
> Caroline
> 
> --- On Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org> wrote:
> 
> From: Andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
> To: "Caroline Yacoub" <carolineyacoub at att.net>
> Cc: "Tian Harter" <tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry Gras" <gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue" <td at studiotom.com>, "Dale Warner" <dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>, "Carol Brouillet" <cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred" <fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes Rolley" <wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
> 
> Wow, Caroline!  What a great idea!  
> 
> To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market segment.  What and who would be our audience?  Greens and wanna be Greens?  What do they need from us?  A way to frame each Green issue that makes it superior to anything the two majors are doing?  To add to the GP juggernaut that we need for our swan song, if that's what Prop 14 hands us?
> 
> The horrendous oil spill is an easy one.  So, I think, is the issue of neverending wars.  Add to that, the wretched health care system that demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers." 
> 
> All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and we've got a winner for a magazine.  Not so easy, but doable if we put our heads together.  We need "white papers" from the Green Party:  we have Fred, Wes, Jim S, and me?all of whom have written articles and flyers for GP issues.   Add to this the contingent who send emails and monitor what's going on out there like Gerry and Alex who also write.  Did I miss anyone here?
> 
> We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?
> 
> We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push our candidates.  KPFA could provide state bank info and so could Carol Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the recent past.
> 
> Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations!  Some of it would make great humor!
> 
> And we could advertise Caroline's creations!  Green businesses?locally to start.
> 
> And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at tabling.
> 
> Other ideas?
> 
> Did I just scare everyone away?  <sigh>  Sorry, it's the freelancer and adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm.  I'll go away... <mumble, mumble>
> 
> Andrea
> 
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> 
>> Well once again you have done a splendid job of  recording the event. I think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our own editorials and everything.
>> 
>> --- On Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com>
>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
>> To: "Post South SF Bay discus" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>> 
>> A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
>> in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>> 
>> I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
>> 
>> http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
>> -- 
>> Tian
>> http://tian.greens.org
>> Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Greenbuilder
> CA General Contractor B #756438

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From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Jun 27 07:59:19 2010
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:59:19 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
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On Jun 16, 2010, at 6:42 PM, spencerg wrote:

>  I think allowing people to edit items, even to change black to white if they want, 

I'm sorry, Spencer, but as a professional writer, I think this is dangerous, especially without a required signature to the alterations.  Unless I don't understand clearly what you're proposing here?
Andrea

From andid at cagreens.org  Sun Jun 27 08:05:06 2010
From: andid at cagreens.org (Andrea Dorey)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 08:05:06 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Let's just get our news out there
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RIGHT ON, CAROLINE!  Yes, all forms are great.
And the people working on each form should communicate and SHARE good items so everyone knows who's doing what and not having to reinvent the wheel.  (Not required, but suggested.)
I would love to end up with a short, snappy hardcopy full of sound bites that you can give out in your favorite places, Caroline.  What do you think about that?
Andrea

On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:38 AM, leedobell at aol.com wrote:

> I don't see a really good reason why we shouldn't use every possible channel of communication, including chalk on the sidewalk. I'd hate to have us disappear because we disagreed about which way to reach people was the coolest. I can't really get involved in the wiki thing unless someone with wiki savvy sits next to me and tells me what to do. But, when I get back in August, I will table my little heart out at libraries and farmer's markets and street fairs and anyplace else I can think of to get people to realize what Prop. 14 will do if we don't get rid of it. I like to have something to hand people to start a conversation. Others of you out there are more comfortable in cyberspace.  Some people are good at phone banking. We all need to do everything we can. We're not just supporting some worthwhile ideas, here. We're fighting for our political lives. Let's not go gently into that goodnight, let's go kicking and screaming. I'm sure going to.
> Caroline
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spencerg <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
> To: Palm Haven Handyman <palmheaven at gmail.com>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 6:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
> 
>   I hope you'll forgive me for suggesting again that we do this using the Wikipedia / Wikinews model. I mention this, because the goal is NOT to write something cool but to be read and have a positive impact. 
>  
>   I think allowing people to edit items, even to change black to white if they want, will in general produce text that is better received by potential readers, in part because the result will on average tend to be better connected to the rest of human knowledge. Beyond that, I think if we actually stimulate a journalistic food fight and offer differing perspectives side by side, that alone will attract a larger audience than we would get solely by presenting one perspective. If we lose in a direct side by side comparison, maybe we deserve to lose. 
>  
>   Spencer 
>  
> On 6/16/2010 4:19 PM, Palm Haven Handyman wrote: 
> > Top notch idea, might even be able to involve some other local Greens who 
> > are not into coming to meetings or tabling, but would like to help in some 
> > small way to making a project coalesce and produce a decent product. 
> > 
> > I would love contribute a regular column about greywater, I recently 
> > installed the first permitted greywater system in Santa Clara County, and am 
> > installing three more, including a constructed bog in a tub and a 
> > constructed wetland of *edible* native california plants. People are 
> > interested in these sort of things these days; a few weekends ago I gave a 
> > workshop on greywater that was a big 
> > success<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2Mvb2qgCjwYJ:www.cngf.org/programs/programs.htm+cngf+greywater&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a> 
> > . 
> > 
> > People are interested in GREENBUILDING these days and us Greens are 
> > naturally at the forefront, and could be something to capitalize on. I am 
> > starting to create a greenbuilding column that I can sell to the local 
> > papers, and maybe syndicate-ize. I have been waiting for someone else to do 
> > it, but it has not happened yet. I am a pretty good writer, I am thinking I 
> > might have an opportunity. I like the idea of using Green Party as focus 
> > for this effort... 
> > 
> > 
> > Roy III 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>wrote: 
> > 
> > >> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy to 
> >> be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to Food 4 
> >> Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green people in 
> >> business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He seems to love 
> >> to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here. 
> >> 
> >> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health insurance 
> >> horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can work for SB810. 
> >> I may actually be sorry I'm going away. 
> >> Caroline 
> >> 
> >> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>* wrote: 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> From: Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org> 
> >> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose& Tian's Graphic 
> >> Expertise... 
> >> To: "Caroline Yacoub"<carolineyacoub at att.net> 
> >> Cc: "Tian Harter"<tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry Gras"< 
> >> gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue"<td at studiotom.com>, "Dale Warner" 
> >> <dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>, 
> >> "Carol Brouillet"<cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred"<fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes 
> >> Rolley"<wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com 
> >> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM 
> >> 
> >> Wow, Caroline! What a great idea! 
> >> 
> >> To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market segment. 
> >> What and who would be our audience? Greens and wanna be Greens? What do 
> >> they need from us? A way to frame each Green issue that makes it superior 
> >> to anything the two majors are doing? To add to the GP juggernaut that we 
> >> need for our swan song, if that's what Prop 14 hands us? 
> >> 
> >> The horrendous oil spill is an easy one. So, I think, is the issue of 
> >> neverending wars. Add to that, the wretched health care system that 
> >> demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers." 
> >> 
> >> All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and we've got 
> >> a winner for a magazine. Not so easy, but doable if we put our heads 
> >> together. We need "white papers" from the Green Party: we have Fred, Wes, 
> >> Jim S, and me?all of whom have written articles and flyers for GP issues. 
> >> Add to this the contingent who send emails and monitor what's going on out 
> >> there like Gerry and Alex who also write. Did I miss anyone here? 
> >> 
> >> We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published? 
> >> 
> >> We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push our 
> >> candidates. KPFA could provide state bank info and so could Carol 
> >> Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the recent past. 
> >> 
> >> Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations! Some of it would 
> >> make great humor! 
> >> 
> >> And we could advertise Caroline's creations! Green businesses?locally to 
> >> start. 
> >> 
> >> And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at tabling. 
> >> 
> >> Other ideas? 
> >> 
> >> Did I just scare everyone away?<sigh> Sorry, it's the freelancer and 
> >> adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm. I'll go away... 
> >> <mumble, mumble> 
> >> 
> >> Andrea 
> >> 
> >> On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Well once again you have done a splendid job of recording the event. I 
> >> think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our own editorials and 
> >> everything. 
> >> 
> >> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com> 
> >> >>> * wrote: 
> >>> >> 
> >> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com> 
> >> >>> >> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose 
> >> To: "Post South SF Bay discus"<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
> >> >>> >> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM 
> >> 
> >> A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero 
> >> in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes. 
> >> 
> >> I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures: 
> >> 
> >> http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html 
> >> -- 
> >> Tian 
> >> http://tian.greens.org 
> >> Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding. 
> >> _______________________________________________ 
> >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list 
> >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss 
> >>  
> -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD 
> President and Chief Operating Officer 
> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 
> 751 Emerson Ct. 
> San Jos?, CA 95126 
> ph: 408-655-4567 
>  
> _______________________________________________ 
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list 
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss 
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 27 09:11:38 2010
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:11:38 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Appropriate Subject Line please
Message-ID: <4C27783A.6060207@earthlink.net>


Hi,

there have been some posts recently where the
Subject line did not match the content.  This
can cause people to ignore emails they are not
interested in, which would be unfortunate.
So please try to make the Subject line match
the content.

Thank you,

Gerry



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Mon Jun 28 17:37:25 2010
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (spencerg)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:37:25 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Let's just get our news out there
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Hi, Andrea, et al.:


       I have not seen data on the size of the Green Party, but I've 
heard that it's declining, not growing.  That was before the victory of 
Prop 14 that was forecasted to eliminate third parties like the Greens.  
Working harder will NOT likely change this.  To beat these odds, we need 
to do something dramatically different.


       What are the best models we can emulate?


       Best Wishes,
       Spencer
p.s.  I like the Wikipedia model, because (a) it has established itself 
fairly quickly as the reference of choice on almost anything AND (b) it 
is growing fairly fast.  I'm NOT an expert Wikipedian, but I can teach 
others enough to get into the system.  I'm also willing to provide 
occasional tutoring.


On 6/27/2010 8:05 AM, Andrea Dorey wrote:
> RIGHT ON, CAROLINE!  Yes, all forms are great.
> And the people working on each form should communicate and SHARE good items so everyone knows who's doing what and not having to reinvent the wheel.  (Not required, but suggested.)
> I would love to end up with a short, snappy hardcopy full of sound bites that you can give out in your favorite places, Caroline.  What do you think about that?
> Andrea
>
> On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:38 AM, leedobell at aol.com wrote:
>
>    
>> I don't see a really good reason why we shouldn't use every possible channel of communication, including chalk on the sidewalk. I'd hate to have us disappear because we disagreed about which way to reach people was the coolest. I can't really get involved in the wiki thing unless someone with wiki savvy sits next to me and tells me what to do. But, when I get back in August, I will table my little heart out at libraries and farmer's markets and street fairs and anyplace else I can think of to get people to realize what Prop. 14 will do if we don't get rid of it. I like to have something to hand people to start a conversation. Others of you out there are more comfortable in cyberspace.  Some people are good at phone banking. We all need to do everything we can. We're not just supporting some worthwhile ideas, here. We're fighting for our political lives. Let's not go gently into that goodnight, let's go kicking and screaming. I'm sure going to.
>> Caroline
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: spencerg<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>> To: Palm Haven Handyman<palmheaven at gmail.com>
>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 6:42 pm
>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose&  Tian's Graphic Expertise...
>>
>>    I hope you'll forgive me for suggesting again that we do this using the Wikipedia / Wikinews model. I mention this, because the goal is NOT to write something cool but to be read and have a positive impact.
>>
>>    I think allowing people to edit items, even to change black to white if they want, will in general produce text that is better received by potential readers, in part because the result will on average tend to be better connected to the rest of human knowledge. Beyond that, I think if we actually stimulate a journalistic food fight and offer differing perspectives side by side, that alone will attract a larger audience than we would get solely by presenting one perspective. If we lose in a direct side by side comparison, maybe we deserve to lose.
>>
>>    Spencer
>>
>> On 6/16/2010 4:19 PM, Palm Haven Handyman wrote:
>>      
>>> Top notch idea, might even be able to involve some other local Greens who
>>> are not into coming to meetings or tabling, but would like to help in some
>>> small way to making a project coalesce and produce a decent product.
>>>
>>> I would love contribute a regular column about greywater, I recently
>>> installed the first permitted greywater system in Santa Clara County, and am
>>> installing three more, including a constructed bog in a tub and a
>>> constructed wetland of *edible* native california plants. People are
>>> interested in these sort of things these days; a few weekends ago I gave a
>>> workshop on greywater that was a big
>>> success<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2Mvb2qgCjwYJ:www.cngf.org/programs/programs.htm+cngf+greywater&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a>
>>> .
>>>
>>> People are interested in GREENBUILDING these days and us Greens are
>>> naturally at the forefront, and could be something to capitalize on. I am
>>> starting to create a greenbuilding column that I can sell to the local
>>> papers, and maybe syndicate-ize. I have been waiting for someone else to do
>>> it, but it has not happened yet. I am a pretty good writer, I am thinking I
>>> might have an opportunity. I like the idea of using Green Party as focus
>>> for this effort...
>>>
>>>
>>> Roy III
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>>> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy to
>>>>>            
>>>> be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to Food 4
>>>> Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green people in
>>>> business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He seems to love
>>>> to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>>>>
>>>> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health insurance
>>>> horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can work for SB810.
>>>> I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
>>>> Caroline
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose&  Tian's Graphic
>>>> Expertise...
>>>> To: "Caroline Yacoub"<carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>>> Cc: "Tian Harter"<tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry Gras"<
>>>> gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue"<td at studiotom.com>, "Dale Warner"
>>>> <dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>,
>>>> "Carol Brouillet"<cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred"<fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes
>>>> Rolley"<wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
>>>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
>>>>
>>>> Wow, Caroline! What a great idea!
>>>>
>>>> To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market segment.
>>>> What and who would be our audience? Greens and wanna be Greens? What do
>>>> they need from us? A way to frame each Green issue that makes it superior
>>>> to anything the two majors are doing? To add to the GP juggernaut that we
>>>> need for our swan song, if that's what Prop 14 hands us?
>>>>
>>>> The horrendous oil spill is an easy one. So, I think, is the issue of
>>>> neverending wars. Add to that, the wretched health care system that
>>>> demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers."
>>>>
>>>> All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and we've got
>>>> a winner for a magazine. Not so easy, but doable if we put our heads
>>>> together. We need "white papers" from the Green Party: we have Fred, Wes,
>>>> Jim S, and me?all of whom have written articles and flyers for GP issues.
>>>> Add to this the contingent who send emails and monitor what's going on out
>>>> there like Gerry and Alex who also write. Did I miss anyone here?
>>>>
>>>> We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?
>>>>
>>>> We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push our
>>>> candidates. KPFA could provide state bank info and so could Carol
>>>> Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the recent past.
>>>>
>>>> Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations! Some of it would
>>>> make great humor!
>>>>
>>>> And we could advertise Caroline's creations! Green businesses?locally to
>>>> start.
>>>>
>>>> And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at tabling.
>>>>
>>>> Other ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Did I just scare everyone away?<sigh>  Sorry, it's the freelancer and
>>>> adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm. I'll go away...
>>>> <mumble, mumble>
>>>>
>>>> Andrea
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well once again you have done a splendid job of recording the event. I
>>>> think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our own editorials and
>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>          
>>>>>>> * wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                
>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter at aceweb.com>
>>>>          
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>> To: "Post South SF Bay discus"<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>>>          
>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>                    
>>>> A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
>>>> in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>>>>
>>>> I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
>>>>
>>>> http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tian
>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>> Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>      

-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Operating Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567




From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 29 08:43:17 2010
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:43:17 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] movie re "papers" for undocumented youth
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*Papers: The Movie* 
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Tuesday, June 29 at 6:00 PM

Biblioteca Latinoamericana Library, 921 S. First St, San Jose

"Papers" is the story of undocumented youth and the challenges they face
as they turn 18 without legal status.

There are approximately 2 million undocumented children who were born
outside the U.S. and raised in this country. These are young people who
were educated in American schools, hold American values, know only the
U.S. as home and who, upon high school graduation, find the door to their
future slammed shut.

65,000 undocumented students graduate every year from high school without
?papers.? It is against the law to work or drive. It is difficult, if 
not impossible
in some states, to attend college. Currently, there is no path to 
citizenship for
these young people.

Graham Street Productions produced this film in association with El 
Grupo Juvenil
(the "Papers" Youth Crew). These youth producers were actively involved 
in all
aspects of the production. They are working in collaboration with the 
youth who
want to tell their stories as well as community organizations around the 
country
who are working to change immigration policy on behalf of these young 
people.

Sponsored by Biblioteca Latinoamericana Library & Economic Justice Film 
Series.