[GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose & Tian's Graphic Expertise...
Andrea Dorey
andi at wrytor.com
Sun Jun 27 07:37:46 PDT 2010
I think there is plenty of right wing stuff out there—what's missing is our progressive perspective. And our candidates' perspectives.
I know I don't have the energy to combat these people who are quite willing to waste one's time in rhetoric.
Flaming is not usually productive. Been there, done that, many years ago. I just walked away after a while, seeing that an endless wrangle is just that: endless.
I don't think we have the numbers to spread ourselves over all the political spectrum.
If we can maintain our own newsletter/webpage/"wiki" sites to our advantage, we will be doing a magnificent job.
I'd love to end up with a SHORT, snappy hardcopy version that we could give out at tabling events.
Just my thoughts.
Andrea
On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:05 AM, spencerg wrote:
> A "Green Wikinews" could feature Tian's photojournalism alongside volunteer reports of meetings of local political bodies like the San Jose City Council, the Santa Clara County Board of Supervisors, school boards, etc. The Wiki format would make it easy for people with different perspectives to be heard. Discussions of controversial issues might ultimately get locked, with flames being directed to "talk pages", and edits to the main discussion of the event or issue would be made by designated editors, selected for their ability to describe each side fairly with balance, referencing available evidence, research, etc., recognizing that apparently solid research can be misinterpreted or even fraudulent. We could also invite people to post comments on "moveon.org", the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, etc. If someone posts right wing comments, someone else can edit such to tone down the rhetoric and respectfully add references to sources that provide solid evidence contradicting the claims.
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> On 6/15/2010 3:05 AM, spencerg wrote:
>> I agree with Tian that our home page could be more like a cover / table of contents. However, rather than a magazine with input restricted to insiders, I suggest we create a Green Wiki with Wikinews, etc. If we get Libertarians modifying our stuff, GREAT! Readers would come to watch (and sometimes join) the virtual food fight. Anyone can write a story for Wikinews. We could allow anyone (even anti-Greens) to write a story for our Green Wikinews. Like the main Wiki and Wikinews, if we don't like it, we change it.
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>> If we get malicious modifications, the Wiki process allows us to limit edit rights to only selected individuals. We control who gets on our Wiki editorial staff to referee the action. People who don't like what is said can still provide commentary on "Talk" pages behind each page.
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>> I think it would be great if we could, at least for some issues, split the display into two or three columns: The right hand column would be a right wing perspective. We might even invite some Libertarians to edit that. With two columns, the left hand side would present our perspective. With three columns, the left hand side could be for allegations for which we can't find much evidence -- but which are not libelous -- and the middle would be our main position, nuanced to either provide references and links, similar to Wikipedia, or comments like in Wikipedia, "needs references" -- or calls for honest research on such issues.
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>> Spencer
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>> On 6/15/2010 2:03 AM, Tian Harter wrote:
>>> I think if we started by making the front page of our website more like
>>> a magazine cover/table of contents, and got people interested in
>>> visiting at least once a month to catch up on us, that would be a start.
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>>> Tian
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>>> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy
>>>> to be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to
>>>> Food 4 Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green
>>>> people in business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He
>>>> seems to love to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>>>>
>>>> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health
>>>> insurance horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can
>>>> work for SB810. I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
>>>> Caroline
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey /<andid at cagreens.org>/* wrote:
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>>>> From: Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose& Tian's Graphic
>>>> Expertise...
>>>> To: "Caroline Yacoub"<carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>>> Cc: "Tian Harter"<tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry
>>>> Gras"<gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue"<td at studiotom.com>,
>>>> "Dale Warner"<dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"
>>>> <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>, "Carol Brouillet"
>>>> <cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred"<fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes Rolley"
>>>> <wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
>>>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
>>>>
>>>> Wow, Caroline! What a great idea!
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>>>> To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market
>>>> segment. What and who would be our audience? Greens and wanna be
>>>> Greens? What do they need from us? A way to frame each Green issue
>>>> that makes it superior to anything the two majors are doing? To add
>>>> to the GP juggernaut that we need for our swan song, if that's what
>>>> Prop 14 hands us?
>>>>
>>>> The horrendous oil spill is an easy one. So, I think, is the issue
>>>> of neverending wars. Add to that, the wretched health care system
>>>> that demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers."
>>>>
>>>> All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and
>>>> we've got a winner for a magazine. Not so easy, but doable if we
>>>> put our heads together. We need "white papers" from the Green
>>>> Party: we have Fred, Wes, Jim S, and me—all of whom have written
>>>> articles and flyers for GP issues. Add to this the contingent who
>>>> send emails and monitor what's going on out there like Gerry and
>>>> Alex who also write. Did I miss anyone here?
>>>>
>>>> We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?
>>>>
>>>> We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push
>>>> our candidates. KPFA could provide state bank info and so could
>>>> Carol Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the
>>>> recent past.
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>>>> Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations! Some of it
>>>> would make great humor!
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>>>> And we could advertise Caroline's creations! Green
>>>> businesses—locally to start.
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>>>> And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at
>>>> tabling.
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>>>> Other ideas?
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>>>> Did I just scare everyone away?<sigh> Sorry, it's the freelancer
>>>> and adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm. I'll
>>>> go away...<mumble, mumble>
>>>>
>>>> Andrea
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>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
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>>>>> Well once again you have done a splendid job of recording the
>>>>> event. I think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our
>>>>> own editorials and everything.
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>>>>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter /<tnharter at aceweb.com
>>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter@aceweb.com>>/*
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com
>>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter@aceweb.com>>
>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
>>>>> To: "Post South SF Bay discus"<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>>> <http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>>
>>>>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
>>>>> in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
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>>>>> http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tian
>>>>> http://tian.greens.org<http://tian.greens.org/>
>>>>> Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
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