[GPSCC-chat] Let's just get our news out there
spencerg
spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
Mon Jun 28 17:37:25 PDT 2010
Hi, Andrea, et al.:
I have not seen data on the size of the Green Party, but I've
heard that it's declining, not growing. That was before the victory of
Prop 14 that was forecasted to eliminate third parties like the Greens.
Working harder will NOT likely change this. To beat these odds, we need
to do something dramatically different.
What are the best models we can emulate?
Best Wishes,
Spencer
p.s. I like the Wikipedia model, because (a) it has established itself
fairly quickly as the reference of choice on almost anything AND (b) it
is growing fairly fast. I'm NOT an expert Wikipedian, but I can teach
others enough to get into the system. I'm also willing to provide
occasional tutoring.
On 6/27/2010 8:05 AM, Andrea Dorey wrote:
> RIGHT ON, CAROLINE! Yes, all forms are great.
> And the people working on each form should communicate and SHARE good items so everyone knows who's doing what and not having to reinvent the wheel. (Not required, but suggested.)
> I would love to end up with a short, snappy hardcopy full of sound bites that you can give out in your favorite places, Caroline. What do you think about that?
> Andrea
>
> On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:38 AM, leedobell at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>> I don't see a really good reason why we shouldn't use every possible channel of communication, including chalk on the sidewalk. I'd hate to have us disappear because we disagreed about which way to reach people was the coolest. I can't really get involved in the wiki thing unless someone with wiki savvy sits next to me and tells me what to do. But, when I get back in August, I will table my little heart out at libraries and farmer's markets and street fairs and anyplace else I can think of to get people to realize what Prop. 14 will do if we don't get rid of it. I like to have something to hand people to start a conversation. Others of you out there are more comfortable in cyberspace. Some people are good at phone banking. We all need to do everything we can. We're not just supporting some worthwhile ideas, here. We're fighting for our political lives. Let's not go gently into that goodnight, let's go kicking and screaming. I'm sure going to.
>> Caroline
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: spencerg<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>> To: Palm Haven Handyman<palmheaven at gmail.com>
>> Cc: sosfbay-discuss<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Jun 16, 2010 6:42 pm
>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose& Tian's Graphic Expertise...
>>
>> I hope you'll forgive me for suggesting again that we do this using the Wikipedia / Wikinews model. I mention this, because the goal is NOT to write something cool but to be read and have a positive impact.
>>
>> I think allowing people to edit items, even to change black to white if they want, will in general produce text that is better received by potential readers, in part because the result will on average tend to be better connected to the rest of human knowledge. Beyond that, I think if we actually stimulate a journalistic food fight and offer differing perspectives side by side, that alone will attract a larger audience than we would get solely by presenting one perspective. If we lose in a direct side by side comparison, maybe we deserve to lose.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>> On 6/16/2010 4:19 PM, Palm Haven Handyman wrote:
>>
>>> Top notch idea, might even be able to involve some other local Greens who
>>> are not into coming to meetings or tabling, but would like to help in some
>>> small way to making a project coalesce and produce a decent product.
>>>
>>> I would love contribute a regular column about greywater, I recently
>>> installed the first permitted greywater system in Santa Clara County, and am
>>> installing three more, including a constructed bog in a tub and a
>>> constructed wetland of *edible* native california plants. People are
>>> interested in these sort of things these days; a few weekends ago I gave a
>>> workshop on greywater that was a big
>>> success<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2Mvb2qgCjwYJ:www.cngf.org/programs/programs.htm+cngf+greywater&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a>
>>> .
>>>
>>> People are interested in GREENBUILDING these days and us Greens are
>>> naturally at the forefront, and could be something to capitalize on. I am
>>> starting to create a greenbuilding column that I can sell to the local
>>> papers, and maybe syndicate-ize. I have been waiting for someone else to do
>>> it, but it has not happened yet. I am a pretty good writer, I am thinking I
>>> might have an opportunity. I like the idea of using Green Party as focus
>>> for this effort...
>>>
>>>
>>> Roy III
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Caroline Yacoub<carolineyacoub at att.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Where the heck to you get all that energy and enthusiasm? I'd be happy to
>>>>>
>>>> be involved. What was the name of that cute little banker who came to Food 4
>>>> Thought? Do we have his info? Maybe he knows some other Green people in
>>>> business. What about Rob and Roy? And Spencer, of course. He seems to love
>>>> to write. And WES! He wouldn't even have to come up here.
>>>>
>>>> Oooooh! Here's a way to involve non-Greens. We can collect health insurance
>>>> horror stories. I'm sure Lynn has a boatload of them. We can work for SB810.
>>>> I may actually be sorry I'm going away.
>>>> Caroline
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Andrea Dorey<andid at cagreens.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose& Tian's Graphic
>>>> Expertise...
>>>> To: "Caroline Yacoub"<carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>>> Cc: "Tian Harter"<tnharter at aceweb.com>, mkmusic03 at aol.com, "Gerry Gras"<
>>>> gerrygras at earthlink.net>, "Tom Donahue"<td at studiotom.com>, "Dale Warner"
>>>> <dale at dalewarner.com>, "spencerg Graves"<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>,
>>>> "Carol Brouillet"<cbrouillet at igc.org>, "fred"<fredd at freeshell.org>, "Wes
>>>> Rolley"<wrolley at refpub.com>, AlexCathy at aol.com
>>>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
>>>>
>>>> Wow, Caroline! What a great idea!
>>>>
>>>> To make it pay for itself, we'd need to identify an open market segment.
>>>> What and who would be our audience? Greens and wanna be Greens? What do
>>>> they need from us? A way to frame each Green issue that makes it superior
>>>> to anything the two majors are doing? To add to the GP juggernaut that we
>>>> need for our swan song, if that's what Prop 14 hands us?
>>>>
>>>> The horrendous oil spill is an easy one. So, I think, is the issue of
>>>> neverending wars. Add to that, the wretched health care system that
>>>> demonizes and humiliates its "consumers/customers."
>>>>
>>>> All we have to do is solve these problems in a believable way and we've got
>>>> a winner for a magazine. Not so easy, but doable if we put our heads
>>>> together. We need "white papers" from the Green Party: we have Fred, Wes,
>>>> Jim S, and me—all of whom have written articles and flyers for GP issues.
>>>> Add to this the contingent who send emails and monitor what's going on out
>>>> there like Gerry and Alex who also write. Did I miss anyone here?
>>>>
>>>> We could also publish letters to the editor that didn't get published?
>>>>
>>>> We could start off with Laura Wells' idea on the state bank to push our
>>>> candidates. KPFA could provide state bank info and so could Carol
>>>> Brouillet, being some of the material they have covered in the recent past.
>>>>
>>>> Tian's graphic stuff is top drawer for illustrations! Some of it would
>>>> make great humor!
>>>>
>>>> And we could advertise Caroline's creations! Green businesses—locally to
>>>> start.
>>>>
>>>> And at the moment we have a working printer to drop some copies at tabling.
>>>>
>>>> Other ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Did I just scare everyone away?<sigh> Sorry, it's the freelancer and
>>>> adult ed teacher in me that just busts out in enthusiasm. I'll go away...
>>>> <mumble, mumble>
>>>>
>>>> Andrea
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well once again you have done a splendid job of recording the event. I
>>>> think we should start a magazine. Then we could write our own editorials and
>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Sat, 6/12/10, Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter@aceweb.com>
>>>>
>>>>>>> * wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> From: Tian Harter<tnharter at aceweb.com<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tnharter@aceweb.com>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sub Zero in San Jose
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> To: "Post South SF Bay discus"<sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org<http://us.mc812.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 12:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> A week ago as I type this, I was still pedaling home from Sub Zero
>>>> in San Jose. It was truly a feast for the eyes.
>>>>
>>>> I hope I caught some of the magic in these pictures:
>>>>
>>>> http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/ZeroOne/2010/index.html
>>>> --
>>>> Tian
>>>> http://tian.greens.org
>>>> Latest change: Added pictures from my sister's daughter's wedding.
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