From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  1 03:25:59 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 03:25:59 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: WBAI to broadcast live OWS' People's Trial of
	Goldman Sachs
In-Reply-To: <0A6D5E46-F500-418D-9E8C-217971830967@gmail.com>
References: <0A6D5E46-F500-418D-9E8C-217971830967@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EAFC937.5060301@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Gerry

P.S. I assume the time (10-12) stated below is EDT.
So that would be 7-9 AM PDT Thursday.  I don't know
if KPFA (94.1) will be broadcasting it.  Please let
me know if you know.

If we can't get it from KPFA, I guess we can get it
from  http://wbai.org/  .




Begin forwarded message:

>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Mitchel Cohen <mitchelcohen at mindspring.com>
> To: mitchelcohen at mindspring.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 12:23 AM
> Subject: [EcoRev] WBAI to broadcast live OWS' People's Trial of Goldman Sachs -  THURSDAY 10 a.m.
>
>
>
>
>
> 120 Wall Street 10th Floor: NYC 10005: 212 209
> 2800: www.wbai.org: info at wbai.org
>
> Contact: Berthold Reimers
> Tel: (212) 209-2820
> Email: ows at wbai.org
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>
> PEOPLE?S TRIAL OF GOLDMAN SACHS BY OCCUPY WALL
> STREET:
> Live Broadcast on WBAI 99.5 FM
> (You can also hear it over the internet at wbai.org)
>
> Cornell West and Chris
> Hedges to preside at trial, open to public, on Nov. 3 from 10:00 am to
> 12:00 pm.
>
> NEW YORK -- On Thursday November 3, 2011 from 10:00 am to
> 12:00 pm, WBAI radio will broadcast the public trial of Goldman Sachs by
> Occupy Wall Street (OWS) at 99.5 FM. It can also be streamed live at www.wbai.org.
>
> Taking their inspiration from the Bertrand Russell public trials of U.S.
> government officials held during the Vietnam War, the proceedings will
> include expert analysis by Cornell West and Chris Hedges, as well as
> testimony from individuals directly affected by Goldman Sachs?
> policies.
>
> The trial will take place at Liberty Square Park where radios tuned in to
> WBAI 99.5 FM will be distributed throughout the park to enable the crowd
> to hear the proceedings. The verdict and sentence will be pronounced by
> the 99%.
>
> WBAI 99.5 FM, a member of the Pacifica Foundation, is the only radio
> station that has consistently covered the OWS movement even before it
> went public. The station dared to create a space on its programming
> lineup for OWS to have a regular program that airs Weekdays from 6:30 pm
> to 7:00 pm. The Wall Street occupiers can be heard "In their own
> voices" without the distortion of corporate media.
>
>
> #
> Occupy W all S treet R adio #
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.MitchelCohen.com
>
>


From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Tue Nov  1 09:08:48 2011
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:08:48 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: NEED TO IDENTIFY CITIES WITH GOOD RELATIONS
 WITH OCCUPY GROUPS
In-Reply-To: <4EB0195B.4000800@prodsyse.com>
References: <4EB0195B.4000800@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <4EB01990.80402@prodsyse.com>

Hello, All:


	  Does anyone have the new iPhone app for Occupy
(http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/20111030111545619.html)?
  It could help us get the information that Kyra was requesting (see
below).


	  Thanks,
	  Spencer


###################################



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: NEED TO IDENTIFY CITIES WITH GOOD RELATIONS WITH OCCUPY 
GROUPS
Date: 	Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:07:55 -0700
From: 	Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: 	Kyra Kazantzis <kyrak at lawfoundation.org>
CC: 	Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>, Andy Unruh 
<andrew_unruh at yahoo.com>, Marc Bousquet <pmbousquet at gmail.com>, Jenny 
Murray <jennydmurray at gmail.com>, Doug Jones <cervantes42 at gmail.com>, 
jose romero <jos3rom3ro at gmail.com>, Comrade Chales 
<charlesfowlerbuddy at gmail.com>, "nxcruz at gmail.com" <nxcruz at gmail.com>, 
"brendasalcedo at hotmail.com" <brendasalcedo at hotmail.com>, 
"gvillagran at casa.sjsu.edu" <gvillagran at casa.sjsu.edu>, 
"gonzo94539 at yahoo.com" <gonzo94539 at yahoo.com>, "assass1n1 at hotmail.com" 
<assass1n1 at hotmail.com>, "jhnbeall at yahoo.com" <jhnbeall at yahoo.com>, 
"chantel_g at rocketmail.com" <chantel_g at rocketmail.com>, 
"anobel1993 at gmail.com" <anobel1993 at gmail.com>, "amalia.rntr at gmail.com" 
<amalia.rntr at gmail.com>, "janae.martinez92 at yahoo.com" 
<janae.martinez92 at yahoo.com>, "dailyg at gmail.com" <dailyg at gmail.com>, 
Elaine Brown <elainebrown.esq at gmail.com>, Ana Maria Candela 
<ana.m.candela at gmail.com>



Hi, Kyra:


       I reviewed all the Wikipedia entries for 17 different Occupy
groups plus an article from the LA Times for Occupy LA and summarized
what I found in the Google Docs table at the link I sent you before (and
copied below).


       I didn't find anyplace where city officials had provided an
official license to stay.  Occupy Oakland started Oct. 10&  11 with good
relations with city officials.  Then Oct. 20, started publishing
official eviction notices citing "violence, assaults, threats and
intimidation" at the Occupy site.  Protesters countered that those
problems had been endemic to that area and had been ignored by city
officials for years.  The police continued issuing eviction notices
until Oct. 25, when the police attacked, as has been discussed elsewhere.


       Occupiers have worked with city officials and others in their
communities and have moved to allow space for other previously scheduled
events, e.g., a weekly crafts fair and a marathon.  In several places,
Occupiers are avoiding arrest by moving, e.g., across the street as in
San Jose to avoid arrest.


       Cities with zero arrests so far include Ashland, WA, Buffalo, NY,
Eugene, OR, Houston, TX, Los Angeles, CA (?), Providence, RI, and Salem
OR (assuming my numbers are correct).  There are Occupations in many
other places, but with the exception of LA, I limited this research to
locations with their own Occupy entries in Wikipedia.


       For more detail, please see my Google Docs summary table
(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlbTqmKWlWxhdC1VLUhFMjdHTDJTbUZRVlc0aFdubkE).



       What else would you like to know?  I cannot commit to doing more
on this before Saturday, but others on this list might be inspired to do
something more if you ask.


       Spencer


On 10/31/2011 1:28 PM, Kyra Kazantzis wrote:
>  Hi Spencer,
>  This is great.  What I would love is bullet points listing the various cities.  I think one or two sentences, like this:  "The City Council of BLANK voted on DATE to allow 10 tents to allow overnight, as long as CONDITION, CONDITION, CONDITION are maintained."
>
>  Rachel in my office is compiling a memo and will incorporate any work you've done.
>  Thanks,
>  Kyra
>
>  Kyra Kazantzis
>  Directing Attorney
>  Public Interest Law Firm and Fair Housing Law Project
>  Programs of the Law Foundation of Silicon Valley
>  152 North Third Street, 3rd Floor
>  San Jose, CA 95112
>  Phone (408) 280-2401 Fax (408) 293-0106
>
>  Website:  www.lawfoundation.org
>  Facebook:  www.facebook.com/LawFoundation
>  Donate to the Law Foundation: www.lawfoundation.org/donate.asp
>
>
>  CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, and is legally privileged.  The information contained in this email, including any attachments, is intended only for the person or entity to whom it is addressed.  Any unauthorized review, use or disclosure is prohibited.  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, please destroy the email after advising by reply that you erroneously received it.  The receipt by anyone other than the designated recipient does not waive the attorney-client privilege, nor will it constitute a waiver of the work-product doctrine.  Thank you.
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.graves at prodsyse.com]
>  Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:27 PM
>  To: Gerry Gras
>  Cc: Andy Unruh; Marc Bousquet; Jenny Murray; Doug Jones; jose romero; Comrade Chales; nxcruz at gmail.com; brendasalcedo at hotmail.com; gvillagran at casa.sjsu.edu; gonzo94539 at yahoo.com; assass1n1 at hotmail.com; jhnbeall at yahoo.com; chantel_g at rocketmail.com; anobel1993 at gmail.com; amalia.rntr at gmail.com; janae.martinez92 at yahoo.com; dailyg at gmail.com; Elaine Brown; Ana Maria Candela; Kyra Kazantzis
>  Subject: NEED TO IDENTIFY CITIES WITH GOOD RELATIONS WITH OCCUPY GROUPS
>
>  Hello All:
>
>
>  	Might you have the time to look at the table I've created in Google Docs for "Occupy Relations with Authorities"
>  (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlbTqmKWlWxhdC1VLUhFMjdHTDJTbUZRVlc0aFdubkE)?
>     Please let me know of you try to edit it and can't.
>
>
>  ELAINE, KYRA AND OTHERS TRYING TO MEET WITH CITY OFFICIALS:  Can you
>  please tell me if any of this would be useful for you -- and how it
>  might be changed to be more useful?
>
>
>  ALL:  I just found the Wikipedia entry for '"Occupy" protests'.  This
>  may be the best place to start to gather the kind of information we
>  want.  If we don't find what we want in Wikipedia, we can also post
>  something to the "Talk" pages associated with various Wikipedia
>  articles, inviting people elsewhere to contribute to the Google Docs
>  table mentioned above.  However, I've been at this all day, and I need
>  to stop working on this at least until late tomorrow or even later.  If
>  any of you can contribute to this, I'm hoping it will be useful to
>  Elaine and the others trying to meet with San Jose officials.
>
>
>          Thanks,
>          Spencer
>
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  1 11:15:14 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 11:15:14 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Are Congresspeople worth their compensation?
Message-ID: <4EB03732.9050205@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------

http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/08/are-representatives-congress-worth-what-we-are-paying-them


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  1 12:54:30 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:54:30 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bill Moyers Speech
Message-ID: <4EB04E76.2030601@earthlink.net>


Bill Moyers did a speech recently for the 40th
anniversary of Public Citizens.  He had some
very nice words for Ralph Nader.

http://www.commondreams.org/video/2011/10/31-1

Gerry



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue Nov  1 18:40:32 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:40:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: How you can help get SB810 passed
In-Reply-To: <SNT114-W230FEB060947BF865EB54B93D70@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT114-W230FEB060947BF865EB54B93D70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1320198032.60401.YahooMailRC@web181009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Write a letter. You don't have to go anywhere. It's only 44 cents. Go for it.



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
To: Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, November 1, 2011 4:32:23 PM
Subject: How you can help get SB810 passed



________________________________

Here are?the current Apps. Cmte. members. We will need 5 votes in January. 3 are 
Co-authors and the others have voted Yes in the past. It should pass to the 
Senate Floor. The challenge will be the Senate Floor where we will need 21 
votes(simple majority). 

?

That's why support letters to Christine Kehoe from as many org. as possible?are 
needed. The more she hears from it will make it easier to pass on the Floor. 
Don't wait until January which is quickly coming up to get your org. on board. 
Attached is the Sample Support letter with instructions.
Welcome to the Senate Standing Committee on Appropriations Website
Appropriations Committee meets every Monday at 11:00 A.M. in Room 4203.
JURISDICTION: Bills that are subject to Joint Rule 10.5 and are not referred to 
the Budget and Fiscal Review Committee. Bills that constitute a state-mandated 
local program.

MembersSenator Christine Kehoe (Chair)? Voted Yes
Senator Mimi Walters (Vice Chair)
Senator Elaine Alquist?? Principal Co-Author SB810
Senator Bill Emmerson
Senator Ted W. Lieu? Co-Author
Senator Fran Pavley? Co-Author
Senator Curren Price? Former Co-author as Assemblymember, voted yes
Senator Sharon Runner
Senator Darrell Steinberg?Former Co-Author, Voted Yes
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  2 08:25:09 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 08:25:09 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Oakland Prepares to Be Occupy Movement Epicenter"
In-Reply-To: <4EB1606E.4040203@earthlink.net>
References: <4EB1606E.4040203@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4EB160D5.6050201@earthlink.net>


"Oakland Prepares to Be Occupy Movement Epicenter"

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/11/02

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  2 11:50:29 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:50:29 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "The Oblivious Committee"
Message-ID: <4EB190F5.8030203@earthlink.net>


Has Congress heard about Occupy Wall Street or
Occupy DC?

"The Oblivious Committee"
"Why the supercommittee should disband"
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/02-10

Gerry



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed Nov  2 18:26:57 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:26:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] heads up!
Message-ID: <1320283617.26738.YahooMailRC@web181018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

1) Thursday 11/3/11? we will be at BofA and Wells Fargo on Market neat the Tech 
Museum from 12:00-2:00.

2) Green Party meeting moved to November 17, because of Thanksgiving.

3) I am doing the agenda this month. Let me know if you have items. Please say 
who is going to do the talking and approximately how long it's going to take.

Caroline
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  2 22:47:09 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:47:09 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Senators Introduce Amendment
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP159C682A614D57F47A0D678A1D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP159C682A614D57F47A0D678A1D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4EB22ADD.7000905@earthlink.net>


Six Senators introduce an amendment to reverse Citizens United:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/11/02/358694/senators-introduce-citizens-united-amendment/

Gerry


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  2 23:27:01 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 23:27:01 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] What do we owe Occupy?
Message-ID: <4EB23435.8060504@earthlink.net>


It has now been one and a half months since OWS
occupied Zuccotti Park.

Until today, it seemed the only effect on the federal
government was to get the Democratic Progressive
Caucus and the Democratic Black Congress to make
statements of support for Occupy Wall Street.

But today six Senators introduced a constitutional
amendment to reverse Citizens United.  Somehow I
don't think that it is a coincidence that this
happened so soon after OWS occupied Zuccotti Park.

Quite a few protestors, in New York and elsewhere
have endured many kinds of hardship, including
beatings, pepper spray, tear gas, and hypothermia.

And as a result, the United States conversation
has changed.

So what do we owe OWS, (and OO and OSJ ...)?

Is it enough to just say we support Occupy?  Is it
enough to hold signs (or wave a flag) at a
demonstration?  Or should we do more?

More later.

Gerry



From azuresea4me at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 22:04:26 2011
From: azuresea4me at gmail.com (Azure Sea)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:04:26 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] 11/5 - Occupy Palo Alto: Big Bad Bank Tour of Shame
Message-ID: <CADCsDpw7ry6VkO4LDX7-9JwYEU6mo-NhVhxnfbL6QCpfq0eVhA@mail.gmail.com>

  FYI - for those who are interested in attending.   Lori OCCUPY Palo Alto:
Big Bad Bank Tour of Shame *When:* Saturday, November 05 2011 @ 12:00 AM -
- 02:00PM *Where:* Gather at King Plaza, Palo Alto City Hall
250 Hamilton Ave
Palo Alto  *Description:* A protest march and walking tour in support of
Occupy Wall Street

Bring signs and banners!

After a brief gathering at King Plaza in front of Palo Alto City Hall, we
will take a walking tour of downtown Palo Alto, stopping at the branch
locations of some of the most notorious criminal enterprises active in the
United States today. When we return to King Plaza after our historic tour,
there will be a brief open mike speak-out.

We begin with a leisurely stroll from King Plaza to:

CITIBANK (Ramona Street, halfway between Hamilton Avenue and University
Avenue)
Citi received $45 billion in taxpayer-provided bailout money and $2.4
trillion in Federal loans, yet they just announced that customers who
cannot maintain a monthly balance of $6000 will be charged a $15 per month
fee. Citi has dumped $16 million into various campaign coffers since 1989
and employs 81 revolving door lobbyists in Washington.

We'll then walk down University Avenue, turning left on Cowper to arrive at:

BANK OF AMERICA (Corner of Cowper Street and Lytton Avenue)
BofA is one of the country's largest banks. It received a $30 billion
bailout in taxpayer funds and $3.2 TRILLION in Federal loans, but has found
it "necessary" to charge its customers $5 a month for the "privilege" of
using their ATM cards. Since the 1990s, BofA has taken control of 13 other
banks, leaving consumers with fewer choices. From 1989 through today, BofA
has flooded our elections with nearly $15 million in campaign
contributions. It currently holds over $2 trillion in assets, and yet in
2010 it received a $1 billion tax refund!

Our historic tour takes us back to Hamilton Avenue where we visit:


WELLS FARGO (400 Hamilton Avenue at Waverley)
Wells Fargo reported over $12 billion in profits last year, after receiving
a taxpayer-financed bailout of $25 billion and $300 billion in additional
Federal loans. Wells Fargo has tossed $5 million in the electoral moneypit
and employs 20 Capitol Hill lobbyists who know their way around, having
worked there on behalf of "the people" during previous careers in public
service.

Finally, we end our educational stroll with a visit to:

CHASE (300 Hamilton Avenue at Bryant)
JP Morgan Chase is the country's largest financial institution and is the
very epitome of "too big to fail," due in no small part to its having
swallowed up Bear Stearns and Wachovia in the midst of the banking meltdown
in 2008, during which Chase received $25 billion in taxpayer bailout money
and $161 billion in Federal loans. This behemoth corporation turned a nice
profit of $17 billion last year. Chase's campaign giving rivals that of
BofA and it employs 71 lobbyists who either previuously worked for Congress
or who were legislators themselves.

Together, BofA, Citi, Chase, and Wells Fargo:

Issue almost one half of all the mortgages in the country and nearly
two-thirds of the credit cards. Do you have something you'd like to say to
them?

(See event web page <http://www.peaceandjustice.org/programs/Tour_Of_Shame/>
)
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 09:14:00 2011
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:14:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Senators Introduce Amendment
In-Reply-To: <4EB22ADD.7000905@earthlink.net>
References: <BLU0-SMTP159C682A614D57F47A0D678A1D50@phx.gbl>
	<4EB22ADD.7000905@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1320336840.63794.YahooMailNeo@web111109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The actual amendment is located here: 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/71154073/A-Constitutional-Amendment-to-Reform-Campaign-Finance
?
It is right to the point and does not overturn the broader interpretation of "money is speech".? A corporation could still pour unlimited funds into a ballot measure campaign or lobby Congress with unlimited funds via tv issue ads for instance.
From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
To: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:47 PM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Senators Introduce Amendment


Six Senators introduce an amendment to reverse Citizens United:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/11/02/358694/senators-introduce-citizens-united-amendment/

Gerry
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Nov  3 10:02:19 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 10:02:19 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy on KQED - in 3 minutes
Message-ID: <4EB2C91B.2030500@earthlink.net>


Hi,

Glenn Greenwald will be interviewd by Michael Krasny
in a few minutes on KQED-FM, 88.5, talking about
Occupy.

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Nov  3 18:48:05 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:48:05 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Public Citizen's 40 Anniversary Speeches
In-Reply-To: <4EB04E76.2030601@earthlink.net>
References: <4EB04E76.2030601@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4EB34455.6040706@earthlink.net>


Videos of speeches by Bill Moyers, Ralph Nader,
Jim Hightower, Rep. Donna Edwards, Joan Claybrook,
and Robert Weissman.

     http://www.citizen.org/40th-anniversary-gala/

Gerry


Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> Bill Moyers did a speech recently for the 40th
> anniversary of Public Citizens. He had some
> very nice words for Ralph Nader.
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/video/2011/10/31-1
>
> Gerry
>


From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri Nov  4 10:39:42 2011
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:39:42 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] toner for Canon 117 color laser cartridges?
Message-ID: <4EB4235E.3030405@prodsyse.com>

Hello, All:


       Does anyone have suggestions for low-cost color copies?


       More specifically, does anyone know a good source for toner for 
Canon 117 color laser cartridges?


       I ask, because last night I got sticker shock with the new Canon 
ImageCLASS MF8450c color laser printer telling me to prepare a new black 
toner cartridge, and I didn't think I had printed anywhere near the 
6,000 copies rated for that toner cartridge.  By calling Canon, I 
learned that the 6,000 count was at 5% coverage, which is probably all 
plain text -- and virtually everything I've  printed has probably had 
more than that with things like an image of a credit card, the Green 
party logo, photographs, etc.  I don't yet have enough information to 
know, but it looks like a single sheet of paper printed on both sides 
could be costing me 50 cents.


       I know the Green Party might be willing to reimburse me, but 
before I ask for reimbursement at a rate like that, I thought I'd ask 
what other suggestions people have.


       Thanks,
       Spencer


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  4 11:05:57 2011
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:05:57 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] toner for Canon 117 color laser cartridges?
In-Reply-To: <4EB4235E.3030405@prodsyse.com>
References: <4EB4235E.3030405@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <BAY165-W56BC305F76A0F0421112649EDA0@phx.gbl>



I get my cartridges on E-Bay, good for 16,000 prints.  HP cartridges are $200 
in the store.  You can get them brand new on EBay for about $80.  I get 
Lexmark or major house brands like Office Depot for $30.  After being burned 
a couple of times, I don't buy remanufactured or no-name cartridges any more, 
but your experience may be better.  Some of the re-manufacturers show 99.7%
positive feedback on hundreds of thousands of sales.






> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:39:42 -0700
> From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; gpca-it at cagreens.org
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] toner for Canon 117 color laser cartridges?
> 
> Hello, All:
> 
> 
>        Does anyone have suggestions for low-cost color copies?
> 
> 
>        More specifically, does anyone know a good source for toner for 
> Canon 117 color laser cartridges?
> 
> 
>        I ask, because last night I got sticker shock with the new Canon 
> ImageCLASS MF8450c color laser printer telling me to prepare a new black 
> toner cartridge, and I didn't think I had printed anywhere near the 
> 6,000 copies rated for that toner cartridge.  By calling Canon, I 
> learned that the 6,000 count was at 5% coverage, which is probably all 
> plain text -- and virtually everything I've  printed has probably had 
> more than that with things like an image of a credit card, the Green 
> party logo, photographs, etc.  I don't yet have enough information to 
> know, but it looks like a single sheet of paper printed on both sides 
> could be costing me 50 cents.
> 
> 
>        I know the Green Party might be willing to reimburse me, but 
> before I ask for reimbursement at a rate like that, I thought I'd ask 
> what other suggestions people have.
> 
> 
>        Thanks,
>        Spencer
> 
> 
> -- 
> Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
> President and Chief Technology Officer
> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
> 751 Emerson Ct.
> San Jos?, CA 95126
> ph:  408-655-4567
> web:  www.structuremonitoring.com
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri Nov  4 12:35:52 2011
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 12:35:52 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] toner for Canon 117 color laser cartridges?
In-Reply-To: <4EB4235E.3030405@prodsyse.com>
References: <4EB4235E.3030405@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <4EB43E98.1000801@aceweb.com>

I like to just use my home printer for proof reading copies and buttons.
When I want plenty to spread around, I go to copy factory. They are
competitive on price and work for themselves. They like us to, which is
nice. Print fliers 100 at a time and you get a good price from them.

Tian

Spencer Graves wrote:
> Hello, All:
> 
> 
>       Does anyone have suggestions for low-cost color copies?
> 
> 
>       More specifically, does anyone know a good source for toner for 
> Canon 117 color laser cartridges?
> 
> 
>       I ask, because last night I got sticker shock with the new Canon 
> ImageCLASS MF8450c color laser printer telling me to prepare a new black 
> toner cartridge, and I didn't think I had printed anywhere near the 
> 6,000 copies rated for that toner cartridge.  By calling Canon, I 
> learned that the 6,000 count was at 5% coverage, which is probably all 
> plain text -- and virtually everything I've  printed has probably had 
> more than that with things like an image of a credit card, the Green 
> party logo, photographs, etc.  I don't yet have enough information to 
> know, but it looks like a single sheet of paper printed on both sides 
> could be costing me 50 cents.
> 
> 
>       I know the Green Party might be willing to reimburse me, but 
> before I ask for reimbursement at a rate like that, I thought I'd ask 
> what other suggestions people have.
> 
> 
>       Thanks,
>       Spencer
> 
> 

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: added words and pictures from Occupy San Jose.
The 5 actions 1 world pin is on an Maine quarter.


From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  4 20:54:37 2011
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:54:37 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] special rate for new members of Patelco credit union
Message-ID: <4EB4B37D.8040200@sbcglobal.net>



https://www.patelco.org/

New Member CD 
<https://www.patelco.org/rates/rates.aspx?WT.svl=certificates#certificates> 
5.00% APY

^3 (***) The Dividend Rates and Annual Percentage Yield are effective as 
of October 2, 2009,
and are subject to change at any time. Minimum deposit $1,000, maximum 
deposit $1,000.
Rate is 4.89%. Term is 12 months.

At maturity the certificate will renew at Patelco's current  yield for a 
regular 12-23 month
share certificate. Penalty for early withdrawal. Available for  a 
limited time.

Funds deposited to this account must come from an institution other than 
Patelco.
Account available to new members only-must open a new membership. One 
certificate per member.

^4 All regular certificates can be opened as IRA certificates, unless 
otherwise noted. Minimum
balance for all IRA certificates is $500

^5 There is a penalty for early withdrawal for all Certificates. Please 
see the Certificate Accounts
section on page 8 of the Member Handbook 
<https://www.patelco.org/pdf/disclosure.pdf>



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri Nov  4 21:17:28 2011
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:17:28 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] special rate for new members of Patelco credit
	union
In-Reply-To: <4EB4B37D.8040200@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4EB4B37D.8040200@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4EB4B8D8.7000607@prodsyse.com>



       Have I misread this?  minimum deposit = maximum deposit = $1,000 
for 12 months, with rates subject to change at any time.  At 5%, this is 
$50.  How much is your time worth to find out what they offer under 
other circumstances?


       Any other amount or other period:  doubtless lower rate.


       Patelco may be fine on other grounds.  However, this looks to me 
like a come-on hoping to trap customers who don't read carefully what 
they see and get substantially less than what they expect.  I've been 
suckered too many times by that kind of thing, and I work hard to avoid 
businesses engaging in those kinds of practices.  I know that many 
(perhaps all) business -- even credit unions -- feel they have to resort 
to gimmicks like this.


       I looked at several different credit unions before selecting 
Provident Credit Union.  I selected Provident, because they offer 2.26% 
interest on a checking account up to $25K, provided you meet certain 
requirements like having at least one direct deposit and at least 10 
check card transactions per month, and agree to receive your monthly 
statements electronically.  Every other financial institution I 
considered offered something line 0.02% interest on checking, which is 
only slightly better than nothing.  It allows them to claim they pay 
interest on checking without actually doing so.


       Spencer


On 11/4/2011 8:54 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>
>
> https://www.patelco.org/
>
> New Member CD 
> <https://www.patelco.org/rates/rates.aspx?WT.svl=certificates#certificates> 
> 5.00% APY
>
> ^3 (***) The Dividend Rates and Annual Percentage Yield are effective 
> as of October 2, 2009,
> and are subject to change at any time. Minimum deposit $1,000, maximum 
> deposit $1,000.
> Rate is 4.89%. Term is 12 months.
>
> At maturity the certificate will renew at Patelco's current  yield for 
> a regular 12-23 month
> share certificate. Penalty for early withdrawal. Available for  a 
> limited time.
>
> Funds deposited to this account must come from an institution other 
> than Patelco.
> Account available to new members only-must open a new membership. One 
> certificate per member.
>
> ^4 All regular certificates can be opened as IRA certificates, unless 
> otherwise noted. Minimum
> balance for all IRA certificates is $500
>
> ^5 There is a penalty for early withdrawal for all Certificates. 
> Please see the Certificate Accounts
> section on page 8 of the Member Handbook 
> <https://www.patelco.org/pdf/disclosure.pdf>
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  5 00:19:16 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:19:16 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy management
Message-ID: <4EB4E374.3030507@earthlink.net>


I think there are some lessons to be learned here,
for Occupy and the GP.

"Occupy to self manage"
http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-10-25/occupy-self-manage

Gerry



From azuresea4me at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 14:53:25 2011
From: azuresea4me at gmail.com (Azure Sea)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:53:25 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] 11/5 Bank Transfer Day & 11/12 Occupy Withdraw
Message-ID: <CADCsDpyAYoKJxNBJEAekiqbCaBXBz6zH+5DnPE-=A_yjF7nSAA@mail.gmail.com>

FYI - this is a good resource website for information about why you should
and how to leave your mega bank.  Lori

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*10 Steps to Break Up With Your Mega-Bank
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As the Occupy protests continue to grow nationwide, more and more people
are *breaking up with their mega-bank.*

Whether in solidarity with the Facebook campaign for "Bank Transfer Day"
(tomorrow), or the "Occupy Withdraw" campaign (November 12), ANY day can be
a great day to break up with your mega-bank.

Since the launch of Green America's own break-up campaign back on
Valentine's Day of 2008, we've seen *thousands of Green Americans switch to
community development banks and credit unions*. We've also recently been
getting more questions on the "how to" aspect of breaking up: what to do
with direct deposits or automatic debits, or what to do if there's no
community development bank in your town, for example.

That's why we've produced our latest resource: a "Break Up With Your
Mega-Bank Toolikit
<http://lists.coopamerica.org:8383/t/12635874/1085698/719367/0/?u=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ncmVlbmFtZXJpY2Eub3JnL3BkZi9CVVdZQnRvb2xraXQucGRm&x=d6c076cc>"
[PDF]. Find answers to your break-up questions, along with resources like
the 10 Steps to Break Up With Your
Mega-Bank<http://lists.coopamerica.org:8383/t/12635874/1085698/719368/0/?u=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ncmVlbmFtZXJpY2Eub3JnL3NvY2lhbGludmVzdGluZy9jb21tdW5pdHlpbnZlc3RpbmcvMTAtc3RlcHMtdG8tYnJlYWstdXAtd2l0aC15b3VyLW1lZ2EtYmFuay5jZm0%3d&x=397341b5>,
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can use to tell your mega-bank why you're leaving.

And when you do break up with your bank, please let us know about it by sending
us an e-mail <tlarsen at greenamerica.org>, or posting a comment to our blog.
<http://lists.coopamerica.org:8383/t/12635874/1085698/717826/0/?u=aHR0cDovL2Jsb2cuZ3JlZW5hbWVyaWNhLm9yZy8yMDExLzEwLzA2L2JyZWFrLXVwLXdpdGgteW91ci1iYW5rLw%3d%3d&x=08a5a695>
Thanks for all you do,

[image: Signature]
Alisa Gravitz,
Executive Director,
Green America

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From azuresea4me at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 15:14:29 2011
From: azuresea4me at gmail.com (Azure Sea)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 15:14:29 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] 11/5 Bank Transfer Day & 11/12 Occupy Withdraw
Message-ID: <CADCsDpzi1biapqFrc-Z0xZUn_hrAAfbxC_gMZ5xk_k6HzfYy8g@mail.gmail.com>

FYI - below is a good resource website for information about why you should
and how to leave your mega bank. Also, here is an additional article on
Shareable.net -
http://shareable.net/blog/6-reasons-to-move-your-money-for-bank-transfer-day
 Lori

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*10 Steps to Break Up With Your Mega-Bank
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*Sample "Dear John" letter to your mega-bank, explaining why you're
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*Simple "Break Up" wallet card you can share with your friends
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As the Occupy protests continue to grow nationwide, more and more people
are *breaking up with their mega-bank.*

Whether in solidarity with the Facebook campaign for "Bank Transfer Day"
(tomorrow), or the "Occupy Withdraw" campaign (November 12), ANY day can be
a great day to break up with your mega-bank.

Since the launch of Green America's own break-up campaign back on
Valentine's Day of 2008, we've seen *thousands of Green Americans switch to
community development banks and credit unions*. We've also recently been
getting more questions on the "how to" aspect of breaking up: what to do
with direct deposits or automatic debits, or what to do if there's no
community development bank in your town, for example.

That's why we've produced our latest resource: a "Break Up With Your
Mega-Bank Toolikit
<http://lists.coopamerica.org:8383/t/12635874/1085698/719367/0/?u=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ncmVlbmFtZXJpY2Eub3JnL3BkZi9CVVdZQnRvb2xraXQucGRm&x=d6c076cc>"
[PDF]. Find answers to your break-up questions, along with resources like
the 10 Steps to Break Up With Your
Mega-Bank<http://lists.coopamerica.org:8383/t/12635874/1085698/719368/0/?u=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ncmVlbmFtZXJpY2Eub3JnL3NvY2lhbGludmVzdGluZy9jb21tdW5pdHlpbnZlc3RpbmcvMTAtc3RlcHMtdG8tYnJlYWstdXAtd2l0aC15b3VyLW1lZ2EtYmFuay5jZm0%3d&x=397341b5>,
or a sample letter<http://lists.coopamerica.org:8383/t/12635874/1085698/719369/0/?u=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ncmVlbmFtZXJpY2Eub3JnL3NvY2lhbGludmVzdGluZy9jb21tdW5pdHlpbnZlc3RpbmcvdGVsbC15b3VyLW1lZ2EtYmFuay13aHkteW91LWJyb2tlLXVwLmNmbQ%3d%3d&x=436ec7f8>you
can use to tell your mega-bank why you're leaving.

And when you do break up with your bank, please let us know about it by sending
us an e-mail <tlarsen at greenamerica.org>, or posting a comment to our blog.
<http://lists.coopamerica.org:8383/t/12635874/1085698/717826/0/?u=aHR0cDovL2Jsb2cuZ3JlZW5hbWVyaWNhLm9yZy8yMDExLzEwLzA2L2JyZWFrLXVwLXdpdGgteW91ci1iYW5rLw%3d%3d&x=08a5a695>
Thanks for all you do,

[image: Signature]
Alisa Gravitz,
Executive Director,
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  6 07:51:55 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:51:55 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Another Veteran ...
Message-ID: <4EB6AD1B.50807@earthlink.net>


"Another Veteran Badly Hurt by Oakland Police/Thugs"

     http://www.commondreams.org/further/2011/11/04-1

Gerry



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Nov  7 07:40:24 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:40:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Fwd: Birth of a New  Tradition
Message-ID: <1320680424.46558.YahooMailRC@web181009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>





----- Forwarded Message ---




Birth of a New Tradition 
?
As the holidays approach, the giant Asian factories 
are kicking into high gear to provide Americans with?
monstrous piles of cheaply produced goods --?
merchandise that has been produced at the expense of?
American labor.?
This year will be different.?
This year Americans will give the gift of genuine?
concern for other Americans.?
There is no longer an excuse ......that, at 
gift giving time, nothing can be found that is 
produced by American hands. 
?
Yes there is! 
?
It's time to think outside the box.?
Who says a gift needs to fit in a shirt box, wrapped
in Chinese produced wrapping paper??

Everyone -- yes EVERYONE gets their hair cut. How 
about gift certificates from your local American 
hair salon or barber? 
?
Gym membership ? It's appropriate for all ages who 
are thinking about some health improvement. 
?
Who wouldn't appreciate getting their car detailed? 
Small, American owned detail shops and car washes 
would love to sell you a gift certificate or a book 
of gift certificates. 
?
Are you one of those extravagant givers who think?
nothing of plonking down the Benjamines on a Chinese
made flat-screen??
Perhaps that grateful gift receiver would like his
driveway sealed, or lawn mowed for the summer, or
driveway plowed all winter, or games at the local golfcourse. 
?
There are a bazillion owner-run restaurants -- all 
offering gift certificates.?
And, if your intended isn't the fancy eatery sort,whatabout a half dozen 
breakfasts at the local breakfast?
joint.?

Remember, folks this isn't about big National chains -- this is about supporting 
your home town Americans?
with their financial lives on the line to keep?
their doors open. 
?
How many people couldn't use an oil change for their 
car, truck or motorcycle, done at a shop run by the 
American working guy? 
?
Thinking about a heartfelt gift for mom? Mom would 
LOVE the services of a local cleaning lady for a day.

Every one uses their local dry cleaners. How about 
a gift certificate to your favorite ? 
?
My computer could use a tune-up, and I KNOW I can 
find some young guy who is struggling to get his 
repair business up and running. 
?
OK, you were looking for something more personal. 
Local crafts people spin their own wool and knit 
them into scarves. They make jewelry, and pottery 
and beautiful wooden boxes. 
?
Plan your holiday outings at local, owner operated 
restaurants and leave your server a nice tip.?

And,how about going out to see a play or ballet at?
your hometown theatre. 
?
Musicians need love too, so find a venue showcasing 
local bands. 
?
Honestly, do you REALLY need to buy another ten 
thousand Chinese lights for the house??
When you buy a five dollar string of lights, 
about fifty cents stays in the community.?

If you have those kinds of bucks to burn, leave the?
mailman, trash guy or babysitter a nice BIG tip. 
?
You see, Christmas is not about draining?American
pockets so that China can build another glittering 
city.?
Christmas is about caring about US, encouraging
American small businesses to keep plugging 
away to follow their dreams.?
And, when we care about other Americans, we care aboutour communities, and the 
benefits come back to us?
in ways we couldn't imagine. ?


THIS is the new American Christmas.

Spread the?Christmas cheer!
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  7 09:03:37 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 09:03:37 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tar Sands continued
Message-ID: <4EB80F69.9080106@earthlink.net>


FYI,

"Entirely Surrounded: Protesters Encircle White House, Close in on Tar 
Sands Industry"

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/07-2
http://www.tarsandsaction.org/

Gerry



From fredlois2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 13:13:16 2011
From: fredlois2 at gmail.com (fred Duperrault)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:13:16 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Fwd: Birth of a New  Tradition
In-Reply-To: <1320680424.46558.YahooMailRC@web181009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320680424.46558.YahooMailRC@web181009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <69909207-F8CA-418D-A8B5-BCB689DB00B8@gmail.com>

How about shopping at the annual Peace Fair at the Methodist Church in  
Campbell on December 3?  (Or is it on Dec. 10?)
Most all Peace Fair items are homemade.  Right?

Fred D.


On Nov 7, 2011, at 7:40 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:

>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ---
>
>
> Birth of a New Tradition
>
> As the holidays approach, the giant Asian factories
> are kicking into high gear to provide Americans with
> monstrous piles of cheaply produced goods --
> merchandise that has been produced at the expense of
> American labor.
> This year will be different.
> This year Americans will give the gift of genuine
> concern for other Americans.
> There is no longer an excuse ......that, at
> gift giving time, nothing can be found that is
> produced by American hands.
>
> Yes there is!
>
> It's time to think outside the box.
> Who says a gift needs to fit in a shirt box, wrapped
> in Chinese produced wrapping paper?
>
> Everyone -- yes EVERYONE gets their hair cut. How
> about gift certificates from your local American
> hair salon or barber?
>
> Gym membership ? It's appropriate for all ages who
> are thinking about some health improvement.
>
> Who wouldn't appreciate getting their car detailed?
> Small, American owned detail shops and car washes
> would love to sell you a gift certificate or a book
> of gift certificates.
>
> Are you one of those extravagant givers who think
> nothing of plonking down the Benjamines on a Chinese
> made flat-screen?
> Perhaps that grateful gift receiver would like his
> driveway sealed, or lawn mowed for the summer, or
> driveway plowed all winter, or games at the local golfcourse.
>
> There are a bazillion owner-run restaurants -- all
> offering gift certificates.
> And, if your intended isn't the fancy eatery sort,whatabout a half  
> dozen breakfasts at the local breakfast
> joint.
>
> Remember, folks this isn't about big National chains -- this is  
> about supporting your home town Americans
> with their financial lives on the line to keep
> their doors open.
>
> How many people couldn't use an oil change for their
> car, truck or motorcycle, done at a shop run by the
> American working guy?
>
> Thinking about a heartfelt gift for mom? Mom would
> LOVE the services of a local cleaning lady for a day.
>
> Every one uses their local dry cleaners. How about
> a gift certificate to your favorite ?
>
> My computer could use a tune-up, and I KNOW I can
> find some young guy who is struggling to get his
> repair business up and running.
>
> OK, you were looking for something more personal.
> Local crafts people spin their own wool and knit
> them into scarves. They make jewelry, and pottery
> and beautiful wooden boxes.
>
> Plan your holiday outings at local, owner operated
> restaurants and leave your server a nice tip.
>
> And,how about going out to see a play or ballet at
> your hometown theatre.
>
> Musicians need love too, so find a venue showcasing
> local bands.
>
> Honestly, do you REALLY need to buy another ten
> thousand Chinese lights for the house?
> When you buy a five dollar string of lights,
> about fifty cents stays in the community.
>
> If you have those kinds of bucks to burn, leave the
> mailman, trash guy or babysitter a nice BIG tip.
>
> You see, Christmas is not about draining American
> pockets so that China can build another glittering
> city.
> Christmas is about caring about US, encouraging
> American small businesses to keep plugging
> away to follow their dreams.
> And, when we care about other Americans, we care aboutour  
> communities, and the benefits come back to us
> in ways we couldn't imagine.
>
> THIS is the new American Christmas.
>
> Spread the Christmas cheer!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  7 19:06:52 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:06:52 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Adbusters seeks right of reply to New York Times
In-Reply-To: <VrIqPlRvNFMf66Wm4E2e0uG8JRlNz9i8eK19oz9z8Fio@adbusters.org>
References: <VrIqPlRvNFMf66Wm4E2e0uG8JRlNz9i8eK19oz9z8Fio@adbusters.org>
Message-ID: <4EB89CCC.8060307@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Adbusters seeks right of reply to New York Times
Date: 	Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:39:06 -0800
From: 	Adbusters Magazine <subscriptions at adbusters.org>
To: 	4043, ,0 <gerrygras at earthlink.net>



New York Times


     *Adbusters seeks right of reply from /New York Times/
 
<http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/adbusters-seeks-right-of-reply-to-nyts-smear-of-anti-semitism-and-fails-to-get-it.html>//*

Hey you jammers, dreamers and truth-tellers out there,

In the wake of #OCCUPYWALLSTREET, the corporate media have tried
repeatedly to discredit the movement. We've been called every name in
the book, but the lowest blow has come from the /New York Times/ who
have twice taken a nasty swipe at /Adbusters/. Now, they refuse to print
the truth.

Go to /Mondoweiss/
<http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/adbusters-seeks-right-of-reply-to-nyts-smear-of-anti-semitism-and-fails-to-get-it.html> 

and check the fight we're having to exercise our right of reply.

And if you feel outraged by the /Times/' refusal to run our full letter
then shout it, tweet it, and give it the rounds. Perhaps Executive
Editor Jill Abramson
<https://myaccount.nytimes.com/membercenter/emailus.html> might be
swayed by a few emails telling her that it would be grossly unfair and
against all journalistic standards for the /New York Times/ to deny
/Adbusters/ adequate right of reply. Be creative ? do whatever you can
to put some pressure on them to do the right thing.

It seems the real story here is that /Adbusters/ has upset the
pro-Israel and anti-Palestine bias
<http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/97/new-york-times-bias.html> that has
marred the /New York Times/ over many years in some of its editorials,
columns and especially with the reporting by Isabel Kershner and the
/Times/' Jerusalem bureau chief Ethan Bronner. Ms. Kershner and Mr.
Bronner ? who has a son who served in the Israeli army ? both have deep
ties to the Israel of today. Their often ahistorical, context-free
reporting is partly to blame for what /Adbusters/ has called "the United
States of Amnesia."

A cultural shift is in order at one of the great newspapers of the world
? and that just might start with them agreeing to print our letter.

for the wild,

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From wrolley at REFPUB.COM  Tue Nov  8 21:17:37 2011
From: wrolley at REFPUB.COM (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:17:37 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Talk Column
Message-ID: <4EBA0CF1.4020405@REFPUB.COM>

This is the text of my most recent column.  It is scheduled to run on 
Friday, Nov. 11.

When at the Morgan Hill Library, I normally scan the new books section 
looking for something interesting. The last time I did this, I 
discovered /The World in 2050/, a look at the future by Laurence C. 
Smith, Professor of Geography at UCLA. It is an easy read, but I 
frequently had to put it aside to think about what I had just read.

Smith set out to write a book about the way climate change affects the 
extreme northern portions of our planet. But his many conversations, 
especially with indigenous people of the North, convinced him that he 
needed to broaden his scope. The result is a sobering anticipation of 
what this world will be like in 2050.

According to Professor Smith, four primary forces are changing the world 
for all of us: population growth, resource depletion, climate change and 
globalization. It makes sense to look at them in that order.

The population of Earth has just reached 7 billion. some are thinking 
long and hard about how we are going feed all of them. We see drought 
and famine in the Horn of Africa now and most of us appear to be 
bystanders to that unfolding tragedy. Many had died. More have take to 
the road to escape this tragedy. But the facts are that we are adding 
the population of the United States every 4 years. By 2050, there will 
be 9 billion people, not 7. We will have added another China and the 
task of feeding them will be much harder.

Population growth will not be distributed evenly. While most countries 
will see their populations increase, a few, notably Japan, Russia, 
Korea, Germany and Italy are projected to experience a population 
decline. In the case of Japan, perhaps 20%. Almost all of the growth 
will be urban. In 2008, for the first time, more people lived in an 
urban rather than a rural setting. Fewer will be providing their own 
food, but will buy food imported from somewhere near or far.

All of those people will need new urban facilities to be built. New 
buildings, new transportation infrastructure, new things, perhaps even 
new parks. What resources will be required and at what cost? We already 
copper prices so high that people risk death to cut the copper from live 
electrical facilities. At current usage rates the earth has only a 35 
year supply of copper in proven reserves.

Clearly, oil and coal will not be around forever and yet we are 
continuously exhorted to use it up as quickly as we can. You can not 
listen even to PBS without hearing an advertisement urging us to drill 
for more oil, exploit the tar sands of Alberta, hold our breaths waiting 
for clean coal to become a reality, and all in the hope of generating 
more jobs.

In California, as well as most urban centers around the world, we will 
see an increasingly expensive bid to control our water. It is the one 
thing that we can not live without,

The climate change genie is out of its bottle and there is no apparent 
desire to stuff it back in. We know that temperatures are warming. We 
see the results with great regularity as the world is buffeted with a 
series of deadly storms, each driven to increased intensity by our 
changing climate. So far in 2011, the US has had 14 weather events 
costing us over $1 Billion each with the April 25/30 super outbreak of 
tornadoes costing over $9 Billion.

We are beginning to see the development of a new climate paradigm in the 
Mediterranean. Greece has experienced 10 years without normal winter 
rains. Focused on the current financial crisis there, we lose sight of 
the ecological crisis underway.

Big changes in climate will create climate refugees. We already see this 
beginning in Africa, where Somalian refugees are flooding into Kenya. 
Can any country absorb these refugees into its own growing population? 
The UN expects that there will be over 100 million who need to move, 
some to escape drought as in Somalia, others to escape sea level rise in 
Vietnam's Mekong Delta or Bangladesh;

It is still our decision whether we can avert the worst of these 
problems. It appears that the US is quite willing to do nothing.


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From wrolley at charter.net  Tue Nov  8 21:19:41 2011
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:19:41 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Talk Column
Message-ID: <4EBA0D6D.4080600@charter.net>

This is the text of my most recent column.  It is scheduled to run on 
Friday, Nov. 11.
____

When at the Morgan Hill Library, I normally scan the new books section 
looking for something interesting. The last time I did this, I 
discovered /The World in 2050/, a look at the future by Laurence C. 
Smith, Professor of Geography at UCLA. It is an easy read, but I 
frequently had to put it aside to think about what I had just read.

Smith set out to write a book about the way climate change affects the 
extreme northern portions of our planet. But his many conversations, 
especially with indigenous people of the North, convinced him that he 
needed to broaden his scope. The result is a sobering anticipation of 
what this world will be like in 2050.

According to Professor Smith, four primary forces are changing the world 
for all of us: population growth, resource depletion, climate change and 
globalization. It makes sense to look at them in that order.

The population of Earth has just reached 7 billion. some are thinking 
long and hard about how we are going feed all of them. We see drought 
and famine in the Horn of Africa now and most of us appear to be 
bystanders to that unfolding tragedy. Many had died. More have take to 
the road to escape this tragedy. But the facts are that we are adding 
the population of the United States every 4 years. By 2050, there will 
be 9 billion people, not 7. We will have added another China and the 
task of feeding them will be much harder.

Population growth will not be distributed evenly. While most countries 
will see their populations increase, a few, notably Japan, Russia, 
Korea, Germany and Italy are projected to experience a population 
decline. In the case of Japan, perhaps 20%. Almost all of the growth 
will be urban. In 2008, for the first time, more people lived in an 
urban rather than a rural setting. Fewer will be providing their own 
food, but will buy food imported from somewhere near or far.

All of those people will need new urban facilities to be built. New 
buildings, new transportation infrastructure, new things, perhaps even 
new parks. What resources will be required and at what cost? We already 
copper prices so high that people risk death to cut the copper from live 
electrical facilities. At current usage rates the earth has only a 35 
year supply of copper in proven reserves.

Clearly, oil and coal will not be around forever and yet we are 
continuously exhorted to use it up as quickly as we can. You can not 
listen even to PBS without hearing an advertisement urging us to drill 
for more oil, exploit the tar sands of Alberta, hold our breaths waiting 
for clean coal to become a reality, and all in the hope of generating 
more jobs.

In California, as well as most urban centers around the world, we will 
see an increasingly expensive bid to control our water. It is the one 
thing that we can not live without,

The climate change genie is out of its bottle and there is no apparent 
desire to stuff it back in. We know that temperatures are warming. We 
see the results with great regularity as the world is buffeted with a 
series of deadly storms, each driven to increased intensity by our 
changing climate. So far in 2011, the US has had 14 weather events 
costing us over $1 Billion each with the April 25/30 super outbreak of 
tornadoes costing over $9 Billion.

We are beginning to see the development of a new climate paradigm in the 
Mediterranean. Greece has experienced 10 years without normal winter 
rains. Focused on the current financial crisis there, we lose sight of 
the ecological crisis underway.

Big changes in climate will create climate refugees. We already see this 
beginning in Africa, where Somalian refugees are flooding into Kenya. 
Can any country absorb these refugees into its own growing population? 
The UN expects that there will be over 100 million who need to move, 
some to escape drought as in Somalia, others to escape sea level rise in 
Vietnam's Mekong Delta or Bangladesh;

It is still our decision whether we can avert the worst of these 
problems. It appears that the US is quite willing to do nothing.


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  9 16:04:33 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 16:04:33 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Planetary Patriotism"
Message-ID: <4EBB1511.9040304@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Angus Wright is interviewed by Robert Jensen about
our planet level problems and future.

"The Fire Next Time is Now: On Planetary Patriotism"
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/08-1

Gerry



From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Nov  9 22:16:42 2011
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:16:42 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [California Greening] Immigration: is a policy of
 compassion possible?
In-Reply-To: <bcaec520e5ddecbded04b15b28de@google.com>
References: <bcaec520e5ddecbded04b15b28de@google.com>
Message-ID: <4EBB6C4A.1060800@charter.net>


http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2011/11/immigration-is-policy-of-compassion.html

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[California Greening] Immigration: is a policy of compassion 
possible?
Date: 	Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:03:13 +0000
From: 	Wes <wrolley at charter.net>
To: 	wrolley at charter.net



In my previous post 
<http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2011/10/thought-experiment-tipping-point.html> 
I mentioned Laurence C. Smith's /The World in 2050/ and promised to 
connect his ideas to Green Party Policies. I still was not sure where 
this was going to take me and therefore, overly ambitious about the time 
frame. It will take a lot more than the two weeks I mentioned.

In the meantime, I did get an OpEd for my local paper out of it. It will 
be run on Friday Nov. 7 in the Morgan Hill Times, but you can read a 
copy at Polizeros 
<http://polizeros.com/2011/11/09/the-world-in-2050-is-what-we-make-today/>.

There are two forces that will drive the movement of people in coming 
decade. One is obviously the mounting pressures from population growth. 
If one has to leave their homelands, then why not to a wealthier 
America? or a more welcoming Canada? The other is climate disruption 
where drought causes famine, where sea level rise floods coastal cities 
and delta farmlands and some places just become unbearable.

Estimates of the number of climate refugees vary widely. We know how 
many people live in affected areas... but it only a guess as to how many 
will chose to leave when not yet forced to do so. Some estimate it to be 
as high as 50 million.

Even if we don't agree to such a high number, still we have to admit 
that there will be some. Pacific Islands will be under water. Increased 
desertification already affects Africa 
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/interactive/2011/nov/01/somalia-drought-camps-map-interactive>, 
the Mediterranean 
<http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/27/355639/noaa-climate-change-mediterranean-droughts/>, 
even Texas 
<http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/full/478450a.html> 
(sub's req'd). How many will be displaced by this? I don't know but the 
refugee camps in Kenya are already over full.

Along with this climate disruption, we will will have political 
disruption as well. There has always been a resentment against new 
immigrants in the US, even though this country is the product of a 
succession of immigrations. Now state after state, most recently 
Alabama, have passed laws claiming to protect the US from "illegal" 
immigration, but in reality with a strong racist motivation.

Then, as I was thinking on this issue, two news items game me the 
impetus to start writing. One is the release of a report by the 
International Energy Agency (IEA) that gives a very sobering assessment 
of climate risk. According to the UK's Guardian 
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/nov/09/fossil-fuel-infrastructure-climate-change?CMP=EMCENVEML1631>: 


    "The door is closing," Fatih Birol, chief economist at the
    International Energy Agency, said. "I am very worried ? if we don't
    change direction now on how we use energy, we will end up beyond
    what scientists tell us is the minimum [for safety]. The door will
    be closed forever."

That prettymuch tells us that we need changes in energy policy now. But 
we also need to understand how it will affect immigration here.

Before this week, I might has painted a bleak picture, one of the US 
demonstrating a fortress mentality closing all its borders with Herman 
Cain electric fences or moats filled with alligators. Then, a stunning 
thing happened. Arizona voters successfully recalled State Senator 
RusselPearce, President of the Senate and the author of Arizona's 
infamous immigration law, a law strongly opposed by Arizona's Green 
Party. Arizonans have had enough of militancy and racism. The election 
turned on the fact that Arizonans wanted their legislators to have a bit 
of compassion.

I expect that there will be more political dislocations. If the US 
accepts climate refugees, they will compete for existing jobs. The 
Democratic Party has always tried to make immigrant communities as part 
of their political base. But they also have leaned heavily on labor 
union support that will act to protect their jobs for existing 
membership. This will not sort out quickly.

What does this mean for Greens? Neither of our presidential candidates, 
Kent Mesplay and Jill Stein, seem to have paid much attention to this 
issue. If they were to do so, if they were to focus on building a 
national policy based on compassion, I am sure that they will find 
acceptance in the electorate.

Additional Information: Green Party Platform on Immigration / Migration 
<http://www.gp.org/committees/platform/2010/social-justice.php#1002510>.


--
Posted By Wes to California Greening 
<http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2011/11/immigration-is-policy-of-compassion.html> 
at 11/09/2011 10:03:00 PM
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  9 23:24:47 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:24:47 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [California Greening] Immigration: is a
 policy of compassion possible?
In-Reply-To: <4EBB6C4A.1060800@charter.net>
References: <bcaec520e5ddecbded04b15b28de@google.com>
	<4EBB6C4A.1060800@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4EBB7C3F.20700@earthlink.net>



Wes Rolley wrote:
>
> http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2011/11/immigration-is-policy-of-compassion.html
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	[California Greening] Immigration: is a policy of compassion
> possible?
> Date: 	Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:03:13 +0000
> From: 	Wes <wrolley at charter.net>
> To: 	wrolley at charter.net
>
>
>
> In my previous post
> <http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2011/10/thought-experiment-tipping-point.html>
> I mentioned Laurence C. Smith's /The World in 2050/ and promised to
> connect his ideas to Green Party Policies. I still was not sure where
> this was going to take me and therefore, overly ambitious about the time
> frame. It will take a lot more than the two weeks I mentioned.
>
> In the meantime, I did get an OpEd for my local paper out of it. It will
> be run on Friday Nov. 7 in the Morgan Hill Times, but you can read a
> copy at Polizeros
> <http://polizeros.com/2011/11/09/the-world-in-2050-is-what-we-make-today/>.
>
> There are two forces that will drive the movement of people in coming
> decade. One is obviously the mounting pressures from population growth.
> If one has to leave their homelands, then why not to a wealthier
> America? or a more welcoming Canada? The other is climate disruption
> where drought causes famine, where sea level rise floods coastal cities
> and delta farmlands and some places just become unbearable.
>
> Estimates of the number of climate refugees vary widely. We know how
> many people live in affected areas... but it only a guess as to how many
> will chose to leave when not yet forced to do so. Some estimate it to be
> as high as 50 million.

Fifty million?  When?  I think I have read numbers higher than
50 million, but it may have been for later years.

>
> Even if we don't agree to such a high number, still we have to admit
> that there will be some. Pacific Islands will be under water. Increased
> desertification already affects Africa
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/interactive/2011/nov/01/somalia-drought-camps-map-interactive>,
> the Mediterranean
> <http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/27/355639/noaa-climate-change-mediterranean-droughts/>,
> even Texas
> <http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v478/n7370/full/478450a.html>
> (sub's req'd). How many will be displaced by this? I don't know but the
> refugee camps in Kenya are already over full.
>
> Along with this climate disruption, we will will have political
> disruption as well. There has always been a resentment against new
> immigrants in the US, even though this country is the product of a
> succession of immigrations. Now state after state, most recently
> Alabama, have passed laws claiming to protect the US from "illegal"
> immigration, but in reality with a strong racist motivation.

I could be wrong about this, but I think that historically
opposition to immigration goes up wehn more people are
unemployed.

Gerry

>
> Then, as I was thinking on this issue, two news items game me the
> impetus to start writing. One is the release of a report by the
> International Energy Agency (IEA) that gives a very sobering assessment
> of climate risk. According to the UK's Guardian
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/nov/09/fossil-fuel-infrastructure-climate-change?CMP=EMCENVEML1631>:
>
>
>     "The door is closing," Fatih Birol, chief economist at the
>     International Energy Agency, said. "I am very worried ? if we don't
>     change direction now on how we use energy, we will end up beyond
>     what scientists tell us is the minimum [for safety]. The door will
>     be closed forever."
>
> That prettymuch tells us that we need changes in energy policy now. But
> we also need to understand how it will affect immigration here.
>
> Before this week, I might has painted a bleak picture, one of the US
> demonstrating a fortress mentality closing all its borders with Herman
> Cain electric fences or moats filled with alligators. Then, a stunning
> thing happened. Arizona voters successfully recalled State Senator
> RusselPearce, President of the Senate and the author of Arizona's
> infamous immigration law, a law strongly opposed by Arizona's Green
> Party. Arizonans have had enough of militancy and racism. The election
> turned on the fact that Arizonans wanted their legislators to have a bit
> of compassion.
>
> I expect that there will be more political dislocations. If the US
> accepts climate refugees, they will compete for existing jobs. The
> Democratic Party has always tried to make immigrant communities as part
> of their political base. But they also have leaned heavily on labor
> union support that will act to protect their jobs for existing
> membership. This will not sort out quickly.
>
> What does this mean for Greens? Neither of our presidential candidates,
> Kent Mesplay and Jill Stein, seem to have paid much attention to this
> issue. If they were to do so, if they were to focus on building a
> national policy based on compassion, I am sure that they will find
> acceptance in the electorate.
>
> Additional Information: Green Party Platform on Immigration / Migration
> <http://www.gp.org/committees/platform/2010/social-justice.php#1002510>.
>
>
> --
> Posted By Wes to California Greening
> <http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2011/11/immigration-is-policy-of-compassion.html>
> at 11/09/2011 10:03:00 PM
>



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  9 23:41:57 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:41:57 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Irreversible Climate Change Looms Within Five Years"
Message-ID: <4EBB8045.7000600@earthlink.net>


"Irreversible Climate Change Looms Within Five Years"

     http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/11/09-0

Gerry



From vdf at juno.com  Fri Nov 11 18:46:34 2011
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:46:34 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Agenda Item for 11/17: Proposal to endorse SAFE
	California Act
Message-ID: <20111111.184634.20057.0@webmail58.vgs.untd.com>

Hi everyone,

I would like 5 minutes at our meeting on November 17 for a proposal that the Green Party of Santa Clara County endorse the SAFE California Act.

SAFE stands for Savings Accountability Full Enforcement.  The initiative would replace California's death penalty with life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

The very simple endorsement form is attached.  I have couple of fact sheets (about the death penalty and about the SAFE California campaign), too, but including them would exceed the message size limit for this list.  Let me know if you'd like me to send them to you directly.  They are in PDF format.

Signature gathering for this initiative is underway.  I encourage anyone who's interested in gathering signatures or donating to the campaign to go to:
http://www.safecalifornia.org/

The California Secretary of State's website has the rules for signature gathering, summary and full text of the initiative at:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ccrov/pdf/2011/october/11094km.pdf

Here's the summary.

The Attorney General of California has prepared the following title and summary of the chief purpose and points of the proposed measure: DEATH PENALTY REPEAL.  INITIATIVE STATUTE.  Repeals death penalty as maximum punishment for persons found guilty of murder and replaces it with life imprisonment without possibility of parole.  Applies retroactively to persons already sentenced to death.  Requires persons found guilty of murder to work while in prison, with their wages to be applied to any victim restitution fines or orders against them.  Creates $100 million fund to be distributed to law enforcement agencies to help solve more homicide and rape cases.  Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Net savings to the state and counties that could amount to the high tens of millions of dollars annually on a statewide basis due to the elimination of the death penalty.  One-time state costs totaling $100 million from 2012-13 through 2015-16 to provide funding to local law enforcement agencies.  (11-0035.)


Respectfully,
Valerie Face

 
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 11 18:55:29 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:55:29 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Jill Stein's 1st campaign trip to CA
In-Reply-To: <CACkVdE=CZ0FYZebZL-2N05FM-DgHpNcWFVHVn0mnS440gW_t+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACkVdE=CZ0FYZebZL-2N05FM-DgHpNcWFVHVn0mnS440gW_t+A@mail.gmail.com>
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[gpca-forum] Jill Stein's 1st campaign trip to CA
Date: 	Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:18:53 -0800
From: 	Marnie Glickman <marnie.glickman at gmail.com>
To: 	gpca-forum at cagreens.org



Hi Greens.

Jill Stein is planning her first campaign trip to California from
11/29-12/4.

Contact Jill's campaign team at thegreennewdeal at gmail.com
<mailto:thegreennewdeal at gmail.com> if you can host a campaign event,
fundraiser or if you have ideas for Jill's schedule.

Below is the first draft of Jill's schedule.

Peace,

Marnie Glickman

marnie at cagreens.org <mailto:marnie at cagreens.org>
415.259.7121 <tel:415.259.7121>
www.cagreens.org <http://www.cagreens.org>

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

*FIRST DRAFT OF JILL STEIN'S CAMPAIGN TRIP TO CALIFORNIA

Tuesday, November 29
Location: South Bay*

Jill is searching for people to sponsor campaign events in Santa Clara,
San Mateo, Santa Cruz, San Benito and Monterey counties.

*Wednesday, November 30
Location: San Francisco and East Bay

*9a - 12p
Jill is searching for campaign events in San Francisco.

12p - 2p
Fundraising lunch in San Francisco. Jill is searching for someone to
host the event at their home.

2p - 6p
Jill is searching for campaign events in San Francisco or the East Bay.

6p - 8p
Fundraising party at the home of Kate and Aki Tanaka in Oakland.

*Thursday, December 1
Location: North Bay

*9a - 12p
Jill is searching for campaign events in the North Bay.

12p-2p
Speaking engagement in Napa.

2p - 6p
Jill is searching for campaign events in the North Bay.

6p - 8p
Fundraising party in Fairfax, CA. Location TBA.  Fairfax is the only
Green Party run town in the United States.

*Friday, December 2
Location: Central CA

*11a - 1p
Jill is searching for people to sponsor campaign events in Sacramento,
San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Merced, Fresno, Tulare, Kings or Kern counties.

6p - 8p
CA Young Greens event in Los Angeles*
*
*Saturday, December 3
Location: Los Angeles County

*9a - 5p*
*Jill is searching for people to sponsor campaign events in Los Angeles
County.

6p - 730p
Dinner at Green Party of CA business meeting in Los Angeles

730p - 900p
Speech at Green Party of CA public event in Los Angeles. *

Sunday, December 4
Location: Los Angeles

*10a - 12p
Attend Green Party of CA business meeting in Los Angeles.

1210p - 115p
Attend Green Party of CA Women's Caucus lunch in Los Angeles.



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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sat Nov 12 18:31:26 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:31:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Meeting November 17--agenda items needed.
Message-ID: <1321151486.73386.YahooMailRC@web181010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello everybody,
I know we're all busy, but remember the Green meeting was moved up because of 
Thanksgiving.So far, the only person who has submitted an agenda item is 
Valerie. I will be gone from Monday to Thursday, so it would be helpful if you 
could get your items in tomorrow.
Caroline
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sat Nov 12 19:04:35 2011
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:04:35 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Meeting November 17--agenda items needed.
In-Reply-To: <1321151486.73386.YahooMailRC@web181010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321151486.73386.YahooMailRC@web181010.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EBF33C3.4050500@prodsyse.com>

I'm teaching a session at the Occupy San Jose site.  I may not make the 
meeting.  If I come, I will have to leave early.


Spencer


On 11/12/2011 6:31 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> I know we're all busy, but remember the Green meeting was moved up 
> because of Thanksgiving.So far, the only person who has submitted an 
> agenda item is Valerie. I will be gone from Monday to Thursday, so it 
> would be helpful if you could get your items in tomorrow.
> Caroline
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sun Nov 13 00:21:25 2011
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:21:25 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Cheri Honkula election results
Message-ID: <4EBF7E05.9060108@aceweb.com>

Since we did a fundraiser for her, I thought you might like the results:

Election Category: SHERIFF of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
99.47 % 1678/1687 Precincts Completed.
Overall winner(s) Denoted by Winner vs Runner(s) up
Candidate Name 	Party 	Votes 	% Of Total Votes
WEST, JOSHUA R 	REPUBLICAN 	29647 	18.65 %
WILLIAMS, JEWELL 	DEMOCRATIC 	118809 	74.76 %
HONKALA, CHERI L 	GREEN 	10430 	6.56 %
Write In, 		39 	0.02 %

I read this as "Jewell Williams won with three quarters of the vote."
Cheri did well. Many many Green candidates can't get 2% of the vote.
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat,
and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. - Genesis 8:22
The 5 actions 1 world pin is on an Arkansas quarter.


From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 13 22:09:36 2011
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:09:36 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] banks raising charges
Message-ID: <4EC0B0A0.6050304@sbcglobal.net>

Here is a link to an article that lists the various fees that
banks are raising:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/business/banks-quietly-ramp-up-consumer-fees.html




From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sun Nov 13 23:03:11 2011
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:03:11 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Flier that was too big to forward to the list,
	now a web page
Message-ID: <4EC0BD2F.5060702@aceweb.com>

http://tian.greens.org/SanFrancisco/Occupation/OWSFlyer.html
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat,
and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. - Genesis 8:22
The 5 actions 1 world pin is on an Arkansas quarter.


From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 14 08:33:38 2011
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:33:38 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GPSCC agenda items
Message-ID: <4EC142E2.8040708@sbcglobal.net>


A report on the Holiday Peace Fair meeting.  3 min Jim D.
Tablers for the Holiday Peace Fair  3 min  Caroline

Tablers for Junior State.   5 min  Caroline
button art for Junior State  3 min   Tian

Prepare an Event for Jill Stein on November 29-th.  Gerry Gras  5 min

plenary  I   delegates
plenary II   positions

electing council for 2012 to 2014   5 min  Jim D
report re Registrar of voters           3 min  Jim D
2012 voter registration drives         5 min  Jim D


Reports on creative protest actions
    I   London airport                  3 min  Jim D
    II  Benton Harbor Michigan   5 min  Jim D




From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 14 08:50:13 2011
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:50:13 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] additional info re pending report
Message-ID: <4EC146C5.3010609@sbcglobal.net>

Here is more on an item I wish to report on at our next meeting, Thursday.

*ON AIR: Beware the Emergency Fiscal Manager
*
 
A cautionary tale from Benton Harbor, Michigan


Rev. Edward Pinkney tells a gathering at Silicon Valley DeBug,
"My city was taken over by a dictator."


 Michigan's Public Act 4 allows the state to send a non-elected appointee
to take over a city, displacing the mayor and other officials.


Pinkney traces the action to a struggle over lakefront land coveted by
Whirlpool Corporation for commercial development. He warns,
"The Emergency Financial Manager is coming to your town!" 

 
Our show airs on Comcast Channel 15 in San Jose and Campbell
 every Tuesday at 8pm.




From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Nov 14 21:38:23 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:38:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GPSCC agenda items
In-Reply-To: <4EC142E2.8040708@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4EC142E2.8040708@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1321335503.37901.YahooMailRC@web181007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Now that's what I call sending agenda items.




________________________________
From: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
To: sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Cc: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Sent: Mon, November 14, 2011 8:33:38 AM
Subject: GPSCC agenda items


A report on the Holiday Peace Fair meeting.? 3 min Jim D.
Tablers for the Holiday Peace Fair? 3 min? Caroline

Tablers for Junior State.? 5 min? Caroline
button art for Junior State? 3 min? Tian

Prepare an Event for Jill Stein on November 29-th.? Gerry Gras? 5 min

plenary? I? delegates
plenary II? positions

electing council for 2012 to 2014? 5 min? Jim D
report re Registrar of voters? ? ? ? ? 3 min? Jim D
2012 voter registration drives? ? ? ? 5 min? Jim D


Reports on creative protest actions
? I? London airport? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3 min? Jim D
? II? Benton Harbor Michigan? 5 min? Jim D
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 14 23:54:26 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:54:26 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Watch live now: Occupy Wall Street NYC is being
	raided
In-Reply-To: <4EC21A3D.6060903@earthlink.net>
References: <4EC21A3D.6060903@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4EC21AB2.9020400@earthlink.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject:  Watch live now: Occupy Wall Street NYC is being raided
Date: 	Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:28:37 -0800 (PST)


http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution


From tnharter at aceweb.com  Tue Nov 15 01:04:37 2011
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:04:37 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy Wall Street reads I was given
Message-ID: <4EC22B25.3040403@aceweb.com>

http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/Occupation/ReadingMatter/index.html
-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat,
and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. - Genesis 8:22
The 5 actions 1 world pin is on an Arkansas quarter.


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 15 07:09:05 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:09:05 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Watch live now: Occupy Wall Street NYC is
 being raided
In-Reply-To: <4EC21AB2.9020400@earthlink.net>
References: <4EC21A3D.6060903@earthlink.net> <4EC21AB2.9020400@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4EC28091.7020904@earthlink.net>


Returning to Zucotti,

http://www.ustream.tv/theother99

Gerry



Gerry Gras wrote:
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Watch live now: Occupy Wall Street NYC is being raided
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:28:37 -0800 (PST)
>
>
> http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution



From alexcathy at aol.com  Tue Nov 15 23:06:09 2011
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 02:06:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Political Correctness" About MALDEF
Message-ID: <8CE724559D0BB92-1B60-99094@webmail-d132.sysops.aol.com>

Dear Green Friends, 

I know some of my "Lefty" friends think I'm a little crazy with my emphatic rejection of our idiotic "race" politics. Some Greens have recently been scolded here as "racist" in some over-the-top E-mails being circulated for "politically incorrectness" regarding the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. But thanks to my personal experience with similar African-American groups, I'm not surprised by Harold Meyerson's commentary below. 

This is the same MALDEF that has posted slanderous stuff on its web site denouncing the Green Party for "racially motivated" attacks.  I guess if you are the 1% like the Big Boys at Wal-Mart, then you are free to be as much of a union-busting, polluting, sweat-shop operating, sexist, and racist scoundrel as you want to be.  Dear friends, I've seen this kind of double-dealing crap from African-American groups like the NAACP, SCLC, and even Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH for twenty years.  That's a big reason why this is one African-American "Lefty" who detests "race" politics.  

Alex Walker

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 
Published by The Los Angeles Times, November 15, 2011
MALDEF's misstep
By Harold Meyerson

On Tuesday, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, or MALDEF, will hold its annual awards gala and fundraiser in downtown Los Angeles. The awardees include such indisputable worthies as Linda Ronstadt and former MALDEF leader Antonia Hernandez. The real awardee, though, should be MALDEF itself, whose decades of civil rights litigation have yielded significant gains for Latinos. I haven't always agreed with all of its actions, but I generally find myself cheering it on (as I do its current campaign to create a second Latino-majority district on the L.A. County Board of Supervisors).

There's just one problem with this gala. Front and center on the invitation are the words: "Gala Chair: Wal-Mart."

Wal-Mart may be giving money to MALDEF, but it isn't a friend to Latinos, and most definitely not here in Southern California. In weighing the advisability of MALDEF's taking Wal-Mart's money and granting the corporation Latino street cred (or if not that, suite cred) in return, consider what happened on Oct. 12 in Riverside County, about an hour east of Tuesday night's dinner.

On that day, inspectors from California's Division of Labor Standards Enforcement paid an unannounced visit to one of the mega-warehouses in Riverside County to which trucks bring a huge amount of Asian (chiefly Chinese) imports from the Los Angeles and Long Beach ports. None of these warehouses has any signage, but each does the work of a specific retail chain, and the one that the state inspectors checked out was one of many in the area that is a Wal-Mart warehouse.

Not that Wal-Mart directly owns or runs its Inland Empire warehouses. They're all run by logistics companies with which Wal-Mart contracts to move its stuff, which also allows Wal-Mart to avoid any responsibility for what actually goes on inside.

Here's what the inspectors found: The logistics company (Impact) and the employment agencies from which it hired the workers in its warehouse failed to document the hours and wages of its workers. The workers are paid "piece rate" based on the number of containers they load and unload, but the pay rates remain a mystery to them, as they are not spelled out on their paychecks. The company apparently had no records of its own either.

The inspectors fined Impact $499,000 for violations of wage and hour laws. The following week, six of the warehouse workers filed a suit in federal court for back pay and additional remedies, and U.S. District Court Judge Christina Snyder on Oct. 31 issued a preliminary injunction compelling the temp agencies to alter the way they paid workers to end the immediate harm that the existing pay system was causing them.

The men and women who work in these warehouses ? they number roughly 100,000 in the Inland Empire ? are overwhelmingly Latino. An official of Warehouse Workers United, an organization of those workers, told me that he's "never seen a non-Latino worker at the warehouse, other than managers." All these Latino workers are at the very bottom of a labor system that Wal-Mart has erected ? a system that keeps the wages of the workers in its supply chain at rock bottom, and also keeps any responsibility for those workers' mistreatment as distanced as possible from Wal-Mart itself....


Read the Original Text of the Full Article at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-meyerson-maldef-20111115,0,7508035.story 


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 16 02:24:52 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 02:24:52 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy Wall Street
In-Reply-To: <4EC385B7.4080509@earthlink.net>
References: <4EC385B7.4080509@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4EC38F74.8080305@earthlink.net>


You can still get news from the OWS website:
     http://occupywallst.org/
despite the eviction.

I particularly like this one:
"NYPD Occupying Liberty Square; Demands Unclear"

http://occupywallst.org/article/nypd-occupying-liberty-square-demands-unclear/

Gerry



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Wed Nov 16 08:04:32 2011
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:04:32 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Political Correctness" About MALDEF
In-Reply-To: <8CE724559D0BB92-1B60-99094@webmail-d132.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE724559D0BB92-1B60-99094@webmail-d132.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EC3DF10.3090101@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Alex:  That kind of race bating make it very difficult for Occupy 
San Jose to build a relationship with local Latino groups.  I think 
we've gotten past that because of some hard work by Pablo Ghenis and 
many others, but it does make things difficult.  Some of that may come 
from plants -- agent provocateurs -- who want to destroy the movement.  
Others, I think, don't think deeply enough to realize that they can 
accomplish more by building alliances than divisions.  (We catch more 
flies with honey than vinegar.)  Thanks for your comments.  Spencer Graves


On 11/15/2011 11:06 PM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote:
> Dear Green Friends,
>
> I know some of my "Lefty" friends think I'm a little crazy with my 
> emphatic rejection of our idiotic "race" politics. Some Greens have 
> recently been scolded here as "racist" in some over-the-top E-mails 
> being circulated for "politically incorrectness" regarding the Mexican 
> American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. But thanks to my personal 
> experience with similar African-American groups, I'm not surprised by 
> Harold Meyerson's commentary below.
>
> This is the same MALDEF that has posted slanderous stuff on its web 
> site denouncing the Green Party for "racially motivated" attacks.  I 
> guess if you are the 1% like the Big Boys at Wal-Mart, then you are 
> free to be as much of a union-busting, polluting, sweat-shop 
> operating, sexist, and racist scoundrel as you want to be.  Dear 
> friends, I've seen this kind of double-dealing crap from 
> African-American groups like the NAACP, SCLC, and even Jesse Jackson's 
> Rainbow/PUSH for twenty years.  That's a big reason why this is one 
> African-American "Lefty" who detests "race" politics.
>
> Alex Walker
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> *Published by The Los Angeles Times, November 15, 2011
> MALDEF's misstep 
> <http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-meyerson-maldef-20111115,0,7508035.story%20>
> By Harold Meyerson
> *
> On Tuesday, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, 
> or MALDEF, will hold its annual awards gala and fundraiser in downtown 
> Los Angeles. The awardees include such indisputable worthies as Linda 
> Ronstadt and former MALDEF leader Antonia Hernandez. The real awardee, 
> though, should be MALDEF itself, whose decades of civil rights 
> litigation have yielded significant gains for Latinos. I haven't 
> always agreed with all of its actions, but I generally find myself 
> cheering it on (as I do its current campaign to create a second 
> Latino-majority district on the L.A. County Board of Supervisors).
>
> There's just one problem with this gala. Front and center on the 
> invitation are the words: "Gala Chair: Wal-Mart."
>
> Wal-Mart may be giving money to MALDEF, but it isn't a friend to 
> Latinos, and most definitely not here in Southern California. In 
> weighing the advisability of MALDEF's taking Wal-Mart's money and 
> granting the corporation Latino street cred (or if not that, suite 
> cred) in return, consider what happened on Oct. 12 in Riverside 
> County, about an hour east of Tuesday night's dinner.
>
> On that day, inspectors from California's Division of Labor Standards 
> Enforcement paid an unannounced visit to one of the mega-warehouses in 
> Riverside County to which trucks bring a huge amount of Asian (chiefly 
> Chinese) imports from the Los Angeles and Long Beach ports. None of 
> these warehouses has any signage, but each does the work of a specific 
> retail chain, and the one that the state inspectors checked out was 
> one of many in the area that is a Wal-Mart warehouse.
>
> Not that Wal-Mart directly owns or runs its Inland Empire warehouses. 
> They're all run by logistics companies with which Wal-Mart contracts 
> to move its stuff, which also allows Wal-Mart to avoid any 
> responsibility for what actually goes on inside.
>
> Here's what the inspectors found: The logistics company (Impact) and 
> the employment agencies from which it hired the workers in its 
> warehouse failed to document the hours and wages of its workers. The 
> workers are paid "piece rate" based on the number of containers they 
> load and unload, but the pay rates remain a mystery to them, as they 
> are not spelled out on their paychecks. The company apparently had no 
> records of its own either.
>
> The inspectors fined Impact $499,000 for violations of wage and hour 
> laws. The following week, six of the warehouse workers filed a suit in 
> federal court for back pay and additional remedies, and U.S. District 
> Court Judge Christina Snyder on Oct. 31 issued a preliminary 
> injunction compelling the temp agencies to alter the way they paid 
> workers to end the immediate harm that the existing pay system was 
> causing them.
>
> The men and women who work in these warehouses --- they number roughly 
> 100,000 in the Inland Empire --- are overwhelmingly Latino. An 
> official of Warehouse Workers United, an organization of those 
> workers, told me that he's "never seen a non-Latino worker at the 
> warehouse, other than managers." All these Latino workers are at the 
> very bottom of a labor system that Wal-Mart has erected --- a system 
> that keeps the wages of the workers in its supply chain at rock 
> bottom, and also keeps any responsibility for those workers' 
> mistreatment as distanced as possible from Wal-Mart itself....
>
>
> Read the Original Text of the Full Article at:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-meyerson-maldef-20111115,0,7508035.story
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com

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From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com  Wed Nov 16 08:11:22 2011
From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:11:22 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Political Correctness" About MALDEF
In-Reply-To: <8CE724559D0BB92-1B60-99094@webmail-d132.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE724559D0BB92-1B60-99094@webmail-d132.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EC3E0AA.4010709@structuremonitoring.com>

Hi, Alex:  That kind of race bating make it very difficult for Occupy 
San Jose to build a relationship with local Latino groups.  I think 
we've gotten past that because of some hard work by Pablo Ghenis and 
many others, but it does make things difficult.  Some of that may come 
from plants -- agent provocateurs -- who want to destroy the movement.  
Others, I think, don't think deeply enough to realize that they can 
accomplish more by building alliances than divisions.  (We catch more 
flies with honey than vinegar.)  Thanks for your comments.  Spencer Graves


On 11/15/2011 11:06 PM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote:
> Dear Green Friends,
>
> I know some of my "Lefty" friends think I'm a little crazy with my 
> emphatic rejection of our idiotic "race" politics. Some Greens have 
> recently been scolded here as "racist" in some over-the-top E-mails 
> being circulated for "politically incorrectness" regarding the Mexican 
> American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. But thanks to my personal 
> experience with similar African-American groups, I'm not surprised by 
> Harold Meyerson's commentary below.
>
> This is the same MALDEF that has posted slanderous stuff on its web 
> site denouncing the Green Party for "racially motivated" attacks.  I 
> guess if you are the 1% like the Big Boys at Wal-Mart, then you are 
> free to be as much of a union-busting, polluting, sweat-shop 
> operating, sexist, and racist scoundrel as you want to be.  Dear 
> friends, I've seen this kind of double-dealing crap from 
> African-American groups like the NAACP, SCLC, and even Jesse Jackson's 
> Rainbow/PUSH for twenty years.  That's a big reason why this is one 
> African-American "Lefty" who detests "race" politics.
>
> Alex Walker
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> *Published by The Los Angeles Times, November 15, 2011
> MALDEF's misstep 
> <http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-meyerson-maldef-20111115,0,7508035.story%20>
> By Harold Meyerson
> *
> On Tuesday, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, 
> or MALDEF, will hold its annual awards gala and fundraiser in downtown 
> Los Angeles. The awardees include such indisputable worthies as Linda 
> Ronstadt and former MALDEF leader Antonia Hernandez. The real awardee, 
> though, should be MALDEF itself, whose decades of civil rights 
> litigation have yielded significant gains for Latinos. I haven't 
> always agreed with all of its actions, but I generally find myself 
> cheering it on (as I do its current campaign to create a second 
> Latino-majority district on the L.A. County Board of Supervisors).
>
> There's just one problem with this gala. Front and center on the 
> invitation are the words: "Gala Chair: Wal-Mart."
>
> Wal-Mart may be giving money to MALDEF, but it isn't a friend to 
> Latinos, and most definitely not here in Southern California. In 
> weighing the advisability of MALDEF's taking Wal-Mart's money and 
> granting the corporation Latino street cred (or if not that, suite 
> cred) in return, consider what happened on Oct. 12 in Riverside 
> County, about an hour east of Tuesday night's dinner.
>
> On that day, inspectors from California's Division of Labor Standards 
> Enforcement paid an unannounced visit to one of the mega-warehouses in 
> Riverside County to which trucks bring a huge amount of Asian (chiefly 
> Chinese) imports from the Los Angeles and Long Beach ports. None of 
> these warehouses has any signage, but each does the work of a specific 
> retail chain, and the one that the state inspectors checked out was 
> one of many in the area that is a Wal-Mart warehouse.
>
> Not that Wal-Mart directly owns or runs its Inland Empire warehouses. 
> They're all run by logistics companies with which Wal-Mart contracts 
> to move its stuff, which also allows Wal-Mart to avoid any 
> responsibility for what actually goes on inside.
>
> Here's what the inspectors found: The logistics company (Impact) and 
> the employment agencies from which it hired the workers in its 
> warehouse failed to document the hours and wages of its workers. The 
> workers are paid "piece rate" based on the number of containers they 
> load and unload, but the pay rates remain a mystery to them, as they 
> are not spelled out on their paychecks. The company apparently had no 
> records of its own either.
>
> The inspectors fined Impact $499,000 for violations of wage and hour 
> laws. The following week, six of the warehouse workers filed a suit in 
> federal court for back pay and additional remedies, and U.S. District 
> Court Judge Christina Snyder on Oct. 31 issued a preliminary 
> injunction compelling the temp agencies to alter the way they paid 
> workers to end the immediate harm that the existing pay system was 
> causing them.
>
> The men and women who work in these warehouses --- they number roughly 
> 100,000 in the Inland Empire --- are overwhelmingly Latino. An 
> official of Warehouse Workers United, an organization of those 
> workers, told me that he's "never seen a non-Latino worker at the 
> warehouse, other than managers." All these Latino workers are at the 
> very bottom of a labor system that Wal-Mart has erected --- a system 
> that keeps the wages of the workers in its supply chain at rock 
> bottom, and also keeps any responsibility for those workers' 
> mistreatment as distanced as possible from Wal-Mart itself....
>
>
> Read the Original Text of the Full Article at:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-meyerson-maldef-20111115,0,7508035.story
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:www.structuremonitoring.com


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu Nov 17 11:19:39 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:19:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Preliminary agenda
Message-ID: <1321557579.22479.YahooMailRC@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

If you want to make changes to this agenda, you have two chances: 1) email me 
before 2:30 pm today, or2) at the meeting--agenda adjustment time is included.

Agenda, GPSCC, November 17, 2011

7:00 Social time; one minute speeches

7:30? Begin meeting
???????? Choose facilitator, note taker, time keeper, vibes watcher, December 
agenda preparer
????????? 5 minutes

7:35? Introductions/announcements??? 8 minutes

7:43? Agenda adjustments? 2 minutes

7:45? Treasurer's report, hat passing?????? Jim Doyle? 3 minutes

7:48? Report on "Beware the Emergency Fiscal Manager"???? Jim Doyle? 3 minutes

7:51? Tablers for Jr. State????? Caroline?? 3 minutes

7:54 Buttons art for Jr. State???? Tian??? 3 minutes

7:57??Report on Holiday Peace Fair meeting???? Jim Doyle 3 minutes

8:00 Tablers for Holiday Peace Fair???? Caroline? 3 minutes

8:03? Prepare event for Jill Stein November 29???? Gerry??? 5 minutes

8:08?? Report RE Registrar of Voters; voter registration drive; electing Council 
for 2012-14???? Jim Doyle 15 minutes

8:23? Proposal to endorse SAFE???? Valerie?? 5 minutes

8:28? Creative protest actions???? Jim Doyle?? 5 minutes

8:32 Plenary--Delegates, Positions???????? As long as it takes

After that??? What are we doing for December meeting?
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 23:04:44 2011
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:04:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Picket Hyatt Santa Clara Friday 9AM-11AM
In-Reply-To: <1321557579.22479.YahooMailRC@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321557579.22479.YahooMailRC@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1321599884.20365.YahooMailNeo@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Picket Hyatt! Demand the right to organize!? Friday, November 18, 9AM-11AM at Hyatt Regency Santa Clara 5101 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara, CA.
?
Join unjustly fired hotel workers to protest this abusive hotel corporation! (Two hotel workers were fired for their union organizing efforts, trying to enable Unite Here! Local 19 to win a contract with the Hyatt Regency Santa Clara.)
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 18 12:25:34 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:25:34 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Jill Stein event
Message-ID: <4EC6BF3E.7080302@earthlink.net>


FYI,

The Jill Stein event at Fred's Clubhouse will be
Monday, November 28th, not whatever date you might
have heard before.  That's just 10 days from now.

Gerry



From WB4D23 at aol.com  Fri Nov 18 12:31:47 2011
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:31:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Need More GPSCC Plenary Delegates and Alternates (LA
	Dec 3-4)
Message-ID: <a0d7.28332d25.3bf81ab3@aol.com>

Folks!  At  this time we have three GPSCC Delegates  to the next GPCA 
General Assembly of Delegates scheduled for Los Angeles  Saturday-Sunday December 
3rd-4th.  See details at cagreens.org/ga and links  on the left side of the 
page (go to December 2011 then choices of agenda,  registration. etc.).  
Our three delegates at this time are myself, Merriam  and Tian.  Typically, 
our county is allocated four delegate votes; it could  go up to five depending 
how the numbers are/were crunched (last I knew, that was  still being done).
 
I know it is the same weekend as the San Jose Peace  Fair...  If anyone 
else is willing to volunteer to be a delegate or  alternate, please contact one 
of our County Council members (Tian, Caroline or  Andrea).  Tian has 
volunteered to submit our delegates and alternates names  to the agenda planning 
committee; the deadline is Wednesday November  30th.
 
According to information from the local host committee, there  will be 
floor space  in the community room/gym at the church  where the Plenary will be 
held for sleeping and avoiding hotel expenses (bring  your own pad and 
sleeping bag).
 
Last heard at last night's general membership meeting, Tian  and Merriam 
were planning on traveling by Greyhound, so if someone else is going  and 
driving they are potential passengers...
 
Peace!   Warner
 
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 14:27:58 2011
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:27:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Will You Stand By Women Who Stand Up to Hyatt?
In-Reply-To: <001301cca636$9d7ea7f0$d87bf7d0$@unitehere19.org>
References: <403291748.-606235998@afl.aflDB.mail.democracyinaction.org>
	<001301cca636$9d7ea7f0$d87bf7d0$@unitehere19.org>
Message-ID: <1321655278.75362.YahooMailNeo@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Apparently these women were not fired for union organizing.? They were fired for much less of a reason. Click on the link at the bottom to sign the petition.


----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Katy Rose <krose at unitehere19.org>
To: Katy Rose <krose at unitehere19.org> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:11 PM
Subject: Will You Stand By Women Who Stand Up to Hyatt?

?
 
Dear Friends,
When I arrived at my job as a housekeeper at the Hyatt Hotel Santa Clara one day in September, I heard my co-workers laughing at a photo collage posted on the wall. I saw a photo of my face edited onto the "sexy" body of a bikini-clad woman holding a surfboard. A similar faked image of my sister Lorena had also been posted.
I was humiliated, and I took down the photos of my sister and me. I wouldn't give them back, and I said that if anyone wanted the photos back they would have to get them from me in court.
Days later the hotel fired both Lorena and me.
Lorena worked at the hotel property for 24 years, and I worked there for seven. We both had excellent work records. I have five children and legal custody of three grandchildren, and I'm now in danger of losing my home.
My sister and I have started a petition to demand that the Hyatt hotel give us our jobs back with back pay for the time we have been without work.
We did not deserve to be fired. We just want to be treated with respect.
Tell Hyatt CEO Mark Hoplamazian to reinstate us with back pay now!
Sincerely,
Martha Reyes 
UNITE HERE, 275 7th Ave., New York, NY 10001
Click here to stop receiving emails
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From vdf at juno.com  Fri Nov 18 19:08:56 2011
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 03:08:56 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Jill Stein event
Message-ID: <20111118.190856.23947.3@webmail59.vgs.untd.com>

Hi everyone,

If the Jill Stein event will happen in the evening I won't be able to attend because the Santa Clara County Move To Amend group is having a meeting in San Jose that night.  However, I'd be happy to call registered Greens to let them know about the Jill Stein event once the details are finalized.

I'm sorry I didn't make it to last night's meeting.  I got tied up at an earlier engagement.

Best wishes,
Valerie

~*~*~*~
The Marine Mammal Center 2011 Release Celebrations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoNan4N1dBM


---------- Original Message ----------
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:25:34 -0800
From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
To: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Jill Stein event



FYI,

The Jill Stein event at Fred's Clubhouse will be
Monday, November 28th, not whatever date you might
have heard before.  That's just 10 days from now.

Gerry

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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 22:01:18 2011
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 22:01:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Will You Stand By Women Who Stand Up to Hyatt?
In-Reply-To: <1321655278.75362.YahooMailNeo@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <403291748.-606235998@afl.aflDB.mail.democracyinaction.org>
	<001301cca636$9d7ea7f0$d87bf7d0$@unitehere19.org>
	<1321655278.75362.YahooMailNeo@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1321682478.22235.YahooMailNeo@web111105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

As broadcast on ABC 7 news: According to Hyatt the women were fired for taking too long?on their?lunch breaks. Their defense is that it is common for them to take a longer lunch break to make up for missing 15 minute breaks during their shift.


From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Will You Stand By Women Who Stand Up to Hyatt?

Apparently these women were not fired for union organizing.? They were fired for much less of a reason. Click on the link at the bottom to sign the petition.


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To: Katy Rose <krose at unitehere19.org> 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:11 PM
Subject: Will You Stand By Women Who Stand Up to Hyatt?



 
Dear Friends,
When I arrived at my job as a housekeeper at the Hyatt Hotel Santa Clara one day in September, I heard my co-workers laughing at a photo collage posted on the wall. I saw a photo of my face edited onto the "sexy" body of a bikini-clad woman holding a surfboard. A similar faked image of my sister Lorena had also been posted.
I was humiliated, and I took down the photos of my sister and me. I wouldn't give them back, and I said that if anyone wanted the photos back they would have to get them from me in court.
Days later the hotel fired both Lorena and me.
Lorena worked at the hotel property for 24 years, and I worked there for seven. We both had excellent work records. I have five children and legal custody of three grandchildren, and I'm now in danger of losing my home.
My sister and I have started a petition to demand that the Hyatt hotel give us our jobs back with back pay for the time we have been without work.
We did not deserve to be fired. We just want to be treated with respect.
Tell Hyatt CEO Mark Hoplamazian to reinstate us with back pay now!
Sincerely,
Martha Reyes 
UNITE HERE, 275 7th Ave., New York, NY 10001
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 19 10:07:18 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:07:18 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] ATTENTION: NOV 28TH - Jill Stein
Message-ID: <4EC7F056.8030900@earthlink.net>


I have been informed that at the GPSCC Meeting
Thursday, it was decided that the Jill Stein event
would be another day.

This is to let you know that I and the Jill Stein
campaign agreed that it would be on Nov. 28.  If
you want more details, you are welcome to ask, but
not by phone for the next few hours, I have an
urgent matter to attend to now.

Gerry



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 19 11:33:11 2011
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:33:11 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] =?windows-1252?q?Here=92s_what_attempted_co-option_o?=
 =?windows-1252?q?f_OWS_looks_like?=
Message-ID: <BAY165-W185248B08CDC4A51494CA89EC50@phx.gbl>


http://www.salon.com/2011/11/19/heres_what_attempted_co_option_of_ows_looks_like/singleton/

"The strength and genius of OWS has been its steadfast refusal to (a) 
fall into the trap that ensnared 
the Tea Party of being exploited as a 
partisan tool and (b) integrate itself into the very political 

institutions which it?s scorning and protesting."

" What happens with fundamentally corrupted political systems is that 
even well-intentioned candidates 
? or discrete pieces of legislation 
that are good in the abstract ? become infected and degraded when 

inserted into that system; if you believe that the wealthiest class 
anti-democratically controls political 
institutions (an indisputably true premise),
 then it makes little sense to expect specific new bills or even 

individual candidates inserted into that system to bring about much 
change." 

 		 	   		  
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From jims at greens.org  Sat Nov 19 17:50:22 2011
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:50:22 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Need More GPSCC Plenary Delegates and Alternates
 (LA Dec 3-4)
In-Reply-To: <a0d7.28332d25.3bf81ab3@aol.com>
References: <a0d7.28332d25.3bf81ab3@aol.com>
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I just determined that I will be able to attend the GA, so I could be the 
additional delegate.

Ostensibly, I moved out of the county. But in my never-ending house saga, I 
still own a house in San Jose, and I haven't affiliated with another Local so 
I can still be a legitimate member of the GPSCC.

Jim Stauffer




On 11/18/2011 12:31 PM, WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
> Folks! At this time we have three GPSCC Delegates to the next GPCA General
> Assembly of Delegates scheduled for Los Angeles Saturday-Sunday December
> 3rd-4th. See details at cagreens.org/ga and links on the left side of the page
> (go to December 2011 then choices of agenda, registration. etc.). Our three
> delegates at this time are myself, Merriam and Tian. Typically, our county is
> allocated four delegate votes; it could go up to five depending how the
> numbers are/were crunched (last I knew, that was still being done).
> I know it is the same weekend as the San Jose Peace Fair... If anyone else is
> willing to volunteer to be a delegate or alternate, please contact one of our
> County Council members (Tian, Caroline or Andrea). Tian has volunteered to
> submit our delegates and alternates names to the agenda planning committee;
> the deadline is Wednesday November 30th.
> According to information from the local host committee, there will be floor
> space in the community room/gym at the church where the Plenary will be held
> for sleeping and avoiding hotel expenses (bring your own pad and sleeping bag).
> Last heard at last night's general membership meeting, Tian and Merriam were
> planning on traveling by Greyhound, so if someone else is going and driving
> they are potential passengers...
> Peace! Warner
>
>
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 19 22:01:20 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 22:01:20 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpsmc-d] Fwd: [usgp-media] New Green Party
 presidential candidate both a dream and a potential nightmare for liberal
 Democrats
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Date: 	Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:03:33 -0800
From: 	Sanda Everette <sanda at greens.org>
To: 	GPSMC-D <gpsmc-d at cagreens.org>



I thought this was an interesting article about Jill Stein.




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *Starlene* <greenstarlene at gmail.com <mailto:greenstarlene at gmail.com>>
Date: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [usgp-media] New Green Party presidential candidate both a
dream and a potential nightmare for liberal Democrats
To: Media Committee <usgp-media at gp-us.org <mailto:usgp-media at gp-us.org>>


http://ivn.us/2011/10/31/new-green-party-presidential-candidate-both-a-dream-and-a-potential-nightmare-for-liberal-democrats/

by: Alan Markow

For liberal Democrats disappointed in Barack Obama?s presidency, the
Green New Deal that is the heart of Dr. Jill Stein?s newly minted
Green Party presidential campaign must feel like a dream come true.
It?s all the things that they had hoped for from Obama but failed to
get, despite Democratic control of the House and Senate in his first
two years of office.

But for Democrats who remember Bush v. Gore v. Nader in 2000, the
Stein candidacy could seem more like a nightmare. It could seriously
undermine the re-election of a Democratic president facing 9 percent
unemployment and a 40 percent approval rating, and who appears to
share, at least rhetorically, some or most of the political views of
the Green Party.

Stein, however, laughs off the comparisons.

?Just because Obama claims to be a liberal and to support Occupy Wall
Street doesn?t mean he?s not pro Wall Street,? Stein told me in an
interview this weekend.  ?Look at who he brought into his inner circle
from the very beginning ? Wall Street insiders like Tim Geithner,
Larry Summers and William Daley.?

Stein calls for the re-enactment of the much-maligned (and
feared)Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial and investment
banking between 1933 and 1999, and the prosecution of what she calls
?Wall Street crooks.?  She believes that Obama failed to take strong
action at the incipience of his term, choosing instead to ?protect
criminals? (in her words), and noting that the President opposed
taking legal action against mendacious banking executives who cost
Americans billions of dollars.

She also likes to remind voters that Obama has left the
liberty-restricting Patriot Act in place and has been quick to pursue
new military adventures in the Middle East.  But Stein?s campaign goes
beyond civil liberties, banking, and the traditional environmental
focus of the Green Party.  The foundation of her movement is the Green
New Deal, which includes the following:

1.  An end to unemployment through the development of green
infrastructure jobs

2.  Single payer health insurance for all

3.  Free pre-k through college education

4.  Forgiveness of all student debt

5.  A moratorium on home foreclosures

6.  Immediate return home of the troops ? including private security
contractors ? from Iraq and Afghanistan

Stein believes the Green New Deal is the right solution for today?s
mix of financial and morale problems the country is facing, and she
claims she can do all of this and balance the federal budget.  As an
example, she cites healthcare costs, which have spiraled out of
control because of our focus on treating rather than preventing
illness.

?Both Obamacare and Romneycare are disasters,? she told me (she is a
resident and practicing physician in Massachusetts).  ?Most healthcare
systems are wasteful because they are not comprehensive in nature.
You can?t treat half of the body as these programs do.?

On her web page, she describes her healthcare plan as a ?Medicare for
all system? and claims that it merely catches the United States up
with the rest of the world.  She also defends the existing Social
Security system as sustainable, and calls climate change ?the greatest
threat confronting our generation.?

In addition to reducing healthcare and military costs, Stein would
propose paying for her Green New Deal with additional, tiered taxes on
wealthy Americans, a tax on Wall Street transactions, and a tax on
corporate off-shore operations that are currently protected tax
havens.

?Obama?s jobs plan and his proposed taxes to pay for it are just a
drop in the bucket,? Stein said.  ?It?s not fiscally sound.  I?m a
deficit hawk.  Under my plan we could run circles around these
so-called fiscal hawks by doing the right things.?

In the big picture, getting elected as a third party candidate is
undoubtedly a major challenge, but governing without a major party
apparatus behind her could be an even greater trial.

?I plan to use the bully pulpit,? she told me.  ?My election will
signal an earthquake.  Then I can build on the good will that got me
there.?

Also, it normally takes big money to make a significant political
impact.  Stein?s answer, though, is to get money out of politics.

?I want to change the rules, to return to the days of an unfettered
press that is not controlled by big money interests and provides free
and equal access for political candidates.  We?ll have to work an end
game around the Supreme Court?s rulings on Citizens United and other
findings because passing a Constitutional Amendment takes too long.
But it can be done,? Stein said.  ?The people want change.?

The groundswell that has already set her candidacy in motion is the
Occupy Movement, which Stein speaks of enthusiastically on her
website.  It is also supported by President Obama and most Democrats,
but Stein strongly rejects the President?s position as meaningless
rhetoric.

?He has had the chance to take action against Wall Street and has
embraced its tenets instead.  We must not surrender to those who are
mouthpieces for big money industries.?

Before Stein can attempt to implement her Green New Deal, she faces
the daunting task of winning the Presidency, which requires gaining
ballot access in most or all of the 50 states, and defeating the
powerful Republican and Democratic party machines arrayed against her.
   The odds are staggering, but this does seem to be a season for
seismic change in American politics.

Stein, her husband and their two children reside in Lexington,
Massachusetts, where she has previously been a gubernatorial
candidate.  She is originally from Chicago.
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 19 23:09:59 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:09:59 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "How Wall Street really views the protesters"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/how-wall-street-really-views-the-protesters/2011/11/19/gIQAfvSObN_blog.html

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/19-6

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 00:08:29 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:08:29 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Glenn Greenwald on attempted co-opting of Occupy
Message-ID: <4EC8B57D.1030506@earthlink.net>


FYI,

"Here?s what attempted co-option of OWS looks like"

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/19/heres_what_attempted_co_option_of_ows_looks_like/singleton/

Gerry



From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Nov 20 08:55:02 2011
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:55:02 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bay Delta Plan opposed by 242 groups
Message-ID: <4EC930E6.3070900@charter.net>

and it won't make any difference.  The bureaucracy listens to power.

http://blogs.alternet.org/danbacher/2011/11/18/bay-delta-plan-agreement-opposed-by-242-groups/

I tried to post this directly, since some readers of this list have said 
that they never follow links.  However, with graphics, it is too long 
and was rejected as being too big for the list.   It  is an impasse that 
I hope y' all figure out.


From wrolley at charter.net  Sun Nov 20 09:12:51 2011
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:12:51 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] OWS and the Media.  -
Message-ID: <4EC93513.8040001@charter.net>

Here is another link.  NYU Professor Jay Rosen at Pressthink sees Tim 
Pool as the future of citizen journalism and maybe the savior of 
journalism itself.

http://pressthink.org/2011/11/occupy-pressthink-tim-pool/


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 10:09:21 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:09:21 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bay Delta Plan opposed by 242 groups
In-Reply-To: <4EC930E6.3070900@charter.net>
References: <4EC930E6.3070900@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4EC94251.6060303@earthlink.net>



Wes Rolley wrote:
> and it won't make any difference. The bureaucracy listens to power.
>
> http://blogs.alternet.org/danbacher/2011/11/18/bay-delta-plan-agreement-opposed-by-242-groups/
>

There is one piece of good news in this:
?You are destroying any pretense of an open and transparent process that 
...".

One more example that we no longer live in a democracy.

Three cheers for Occupy.

>
> I tried to post this directly, since some readers of this list have said
> that they never follow links. However, with graphics, it is too long and
> was rejected as being too big for the list. It is an impasse that I hope
> y' all figure out.

I have a different perspective.  When I "Get Msgs", they get
downloaded to my disk.  Long messages take more disk space,
I have no control over that, except to delete them after the
fact.  So I prefer short emails with links, which gives me the
choice of downloading or not.  And whatever disk space is used
is in a cache and goes away eventually.

Gerry


From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sun Nov 20 17:35:48 2011
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:35:48 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Fwd: OMV link]
Message-ID: <4EC9AAF4.1000505@aceweb.com>



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Date: 	Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:55:24 -0500 (EST)
From: 	DontBeFuelish at aol.com
To: 	tnharter at aceweb.com




Awesome!


--
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
My McGonigal's Game definition page has been clicked on 58 times.
I have been car free for more than a week.

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Latest change: Added pictures from Occupy Mountain View.
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sun Nov 20 17:59:58 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:59:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Agenda for Santa Clara County Single Payer HC
	Coalition Tuesday Nov. 22, 7 p.m.
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It would be great if somebody would go to this. 



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
To: Lynn Huidekoper <lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, November 19, 2011 10:20:00 PM
Subject: FW: Agenda for Santa Clara County Single Payer HC Coalition Tuesday 
Nov. 22, 7 p.m.



? 
You are invited to the next meeting of the growing and very busy 
Santa Clara County Single Payer Healthcare Coalition

Tuesday, Nov. 22, at 7 pm.
at the Low-Income Self-Help Center 
525 W. Alma, San Jose, CA 95125
Parking in the Back?? (located next to Arco station and across from Creekside 
Inn
Call (408) 599-4590 for directions or (408) 977-1275

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&biw=1200&bih=587&q=525+W.+Alma%2c+San++Jose%2c+CA+95125&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x808e3345c983db91:0x1edf42977c464dcf%2c525+W+Alma+Ave%2c+San+Jose%2c+CA+95125&gl=us&ei=v2nETtKwLIr8iQLO6r22BQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB4Q8gEwAA



Everyone Welcome.?? Come and join the movement for healthcare justice . ? 
Healthcare is a basic human right.? Everyone In, Nobody Out!?? Support SB 810 




Agenda, Santa Clara County Single Payer Healthcare Coalition meeting- Tuesday, 
Nov. 22 at 7 p.m.

As usual, your contribution to the healthy snack table will be appreciated.

???????? Report on solidarity March with Occupy the Streets 5 p.m. Thursday Nov. 
17 future ideas for working with Occupy SJ, short discussion about Occupies and 
their evolution in face of increased repression
?
	* Report on tabling for Single Payer at the Abilities Expo staffed by Coalition 
and HCA people-Greg, Carol D., Joan Simon, Joan Goddard, Gina Maren, Amy 
Samelson, Lynn, Curly Burns, Andrea Perry
?
???????? In answer to new members' request for training I suggest we do a 
mini-training within meeting today to help folks get comfortable talking about 
single payer.? More experienced folks sharing talking points, approaches for 
talking to friends or doing a short encounter (elevator speech)? educating about 
single payer.? Please be ready some of you to share your short speech.? Let's 
role play what are some questions people ask and how we answer them.?? Bring 
fact sheets.? Most important points about single payer to you.?? 

?
???????? Set up a committee for? more detailed Speaker Training and forum for 
January - Carol , Katherine, Others??? 

?
?? 
???????? Legislative Update? Caling Senator Christine Kehoe, Chair Senate 
Appropriations Cmte. 916-651-4039 to pass 810 through her cmte.
Plan for getting letters of support sent to Mark Leno:?? Last year there were 
over 500 orgs endorsing--re-contact these groups in case they don't know they 
need to re-endorse every legislative cycle- Do we need a committee to coordinate 
this effort?? Visit to Simitian, others.? 

?
	* ?Report from Greg Miller about the Campaign for a Healthy California
?
?
???????? Strategize getting more people out to January 9, 2012 Sacramento 
Student Lobby Day- Shruthi and Swathi
?? ??????????????????????
???????? ?Report, Sandy, getting a resolution supporting SB 810 from the city of 
SJ , also report re reaching out to SIREN????? (Other ideas for reaching out to 
the immigrant communities)
?
???????? Greg, report on CNA' s Mainstreet Campaign ( ongoing)
?
???????? Update from CARA and fighting to preserve Medicare/Social 
Security-Greg, Joan S., Joan G. 

??
???????? Report From Outreach Committee's many activities this month.? How to 
manage sign-ups from recent Outreach activities. Does anyone want to join this 
committee, a great way to learn the issues from seasoned single payer folks?? 
Future outreach opportunities
?
???????? Event Planning: Combined program with Holistic Pain Management 
Institute?? December 8th 7 p.m.
?
???????? Update 3rd annual Andrew Hill Fair
?
???????? Continue to explore how we can implement our ideas generated in last 
month's great meeting, ?for building the mass movement needed to make California 
the next state to win single payer. (re tech community, small business, 
students)
?

Katherine Bock
The Low-Income Self-Help Center
525 W. Alma
San Jos?, CA 95125
(408) 599-4590 cell
phone (408) 977-1275 / fax (408) 977-1650
Co chair Santa Clara County Single Payer Health Care Coalition

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 18:03:29 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:03:29 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Fwd: OMV link]
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Very good.

Gerry


Tian Harter wrote:
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Fwd: OMV link
> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:55:24 -0500 (EST)
> From: DontBeFuelish at aol.com
> To: tnharter at aceweb.com
>
>
>
>
> Awesome!
>
>
> --
> Tian
> http://tian.greens.org
> My McGonigal's Game definition page has been clicked on 58 times.
> I have been car free for more than a week.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 20:59:07 2011
From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:59:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Police Brutality at protest about police brutality
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/11/20/142562402/video-after-pepper-spraying-a-powerfully-silent-protest-at-uc-davis


For those who have not seen this yet, video captured the moment of shock and terror that spread throughout the student crowd at UC Davis as police suddenly assaulted students peacefully protesting the police brutality at the Occupy Cal (UC Berkeley) just days prior.

The second video on that NPR link is a powerful video showing the UC Davis chancellor walking a few blocks from her office to her car, passing by hundreds of students lining the walkway in silence, staring at her in disapproval.

http://bicyclebarricade.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/open-letter-to-chancellor-linda-p-b-katehi/

The above link is an open letter from a faculty member at UC Davis calling for the immediate resignation of the UC Davis chancellor.

-edward
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From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us  Mon Nov 21 16:39:59 2011
From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:39:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] meta Re:  Bay Delta Plan opposed by 242 groups
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>Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:09:21 -0800
>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Bay Delta Plan opposed by 242 groups



>Wes Rolley wrote:

>>
>> I tried to post this directly, since some readers of this list have said
>> that they never follow links. However, with graphics, it is too long and
>> was rejected as being too big for the list. It is an impasse that I hope
>> y' all figure out.

>I have a different perspective.  When I "Get Msgs", they get
>downloaded to my disk.  Long messages take more disk space,
>I have no control over that, except to delete them after the
>fact.  So I prefer short emails with links, which gives me the
>choice of downloading or not.  And whatever disk space is used
>is in a cache and goes away eventually.

>Gerry

There's a right way to do it.  Post the link followed by
an excerpt that captures the gist.

Every newspaper site I frequent has a "print this page"
button on every article.  A few of those do some fancy
Javascript trick to go after your printer.  But the great
majority just present the same content formatted for less
wasteful printing.  That's where you can select your
excerpt to paste it into your email.
It's also a way around the trick of splitting an article
into several pages so you'll see more ads.  The
"printer-friendly" version is all on one page.

Most people are too lazy to do that, though.  They seem
to think their time is more valuable than the time dozens
of other activists would waste downloading large pictures
and advertisements.

When someone tells you "that's too geeky" and "I'm not
technical," as their lame excuse for wasting your time
with large images and advertisements, recognize that
they are really saying "my time is more valuable than yours."
It's an attitude the movement would do well to discourage.


-Cameron






From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Nov 21 18:10:00 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:10:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: They didn't listen
Message-ID: <1321927800.90223.YahooMailRC@web181009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>





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To: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Sent: Mon, November 21, 2011 10:36:54 AM
Subject: They didn't listen


Dear Caroline:

You told them not to do it. Last week activists sent nearly 25,000 messages to 
state insurance commissioners urging them to stop a resolution that will gut the 
rule that keeps insurance premiums in check.

This rule, called the medical loss ratio (MLR), requires insurance companies to 
spend at least 80% of your premiums on medical care instead of using it to pad 
their profits and pay millions to their CEOs. If your insurance company doesn?t 
spend enough of your premiums on health care, they?ll owe you a rebate.

They didn?t listen. On Tuesday, insurance commissioners will vote on a 
resolution directing Congress and HHS to cancel more than $1 billion in the 
rebates owed to you and let insurance companies keep the money instead. 

Click here and send a message to your insurance commissioners today. Tell them: 
You work for us, not the insurance companies ? hands off the MLR.

The truth is that the medical loss ratio works and has already lowered premium 
rates for some Connecticut residents by 19 percent! It?s no surprise that 
insurance companies want to kill it. Health insurance companies continue to make 
record profits, and their CEOs have collected more than $1 billion in personal 
compensation in the last decade while the majority of Americans are barely 
getting by. This isn't business - it's robbery.

Fight this greed-driven corporate power today.
?
In Solidarity,

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Nov 21 19:52:35 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:52:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November Green meeting
Message-ID: <1321933955.22612.YahooMailRC@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

In case you want to reconcile this with the agenda, we moved a lot of things 
around and tabled Valerie's item because she wasn't there.

7:00 Social time and one minute speeches. 
Jim Doyle did a speech on immigration and said we need to develop a handout with 
the Green Party's stand on immigration in English and Spanish, and that we 
should distribute it, rather than just handing it to people when we are tabling. 
There is a website that will translate, and we have access to people at the 
Peace Center who can make sure it says what we want to say.

7:30? Begin meeting
???? Facilitator: Tian
???? Note taker: Caroline
???? Time keeper: Merriam
???? Vibes: Fred
???? Agenda? for December: Caroline

???? Introductions and announcements: Tian, Spencer, Ricardo Caballera, Jim 
Doyle, Warner, John??Thielking--peacemovies.com and stop internet piracy, 
Merriam, Caroline, Fred, Chuck Loucks.

Bank actions--Merriam??? Our two previous bank actions have been very 
successful. We will have another action on November 26 on Market across from 
Christmas in the Park, from 11:00-1:00. Merriam, John, Caroline, Tian, Spencer, 
and Fred will work on it. Spencer will make a lot of new literature.

Occupy--ask Merriam

December meeting will be on the 15th, and we will party. Movie Night for 
November had good attendance and great food.. December Movie Night will be on 
the 9th and we will show "The Mouse That Roared." Tian will post these on the 
website and Peace Center calendar.

Tablers for Junior State--Tian, Caroline and John.(Jim Doyle came, also. We made 
almost $60 due in large part to letting the kids make their own buttons.) John's 
lists of non-violent movies went very well.

Holiday Peace Fair--John will help, bring his peace movie flier. Caroline will 
bring the stuff, set up, and call Drew to see if he will help. We still need 
someone to make a dessert and to work the dessert table, so, if you want to do 
that, let Caroline know (408)530-0118.

Prepare event for Jill Stein--Monday, November 28, at Fred's clubhouse. 7:00. We 
will ask Gerry to introduce her. We need a flier, and we need to get the word 
out as fast as possible, because we have so little lead time. We are bringing 
food.

Report RE Registrar of Voters--Jim Doyle--We can have names of seven candidates 
on each signature sheet. In February we will do signature gathering. We need 
candidates. People have resisted being on the council because of not wanting to 
do another meeting a month, but now we do our council meetings during the 
regular meetings and on the phone, so it should be easier to get candidates. Jim 
Doyle will put out an email to the general list asking people to be candidates.

Proposal to endorse SAFE tabled until next meeting.

Creative protests--Jim Doyle regaled us with tales of fun and successful 
protests, including someone who superglued himself to the Prime Minister.

Plenary--Tian, Merriam, and Warner will be our delegates (Jim Stauffer may as 
well). Tian will send in the names. Warner went through the agenda items to see 
if there were any items we had problems with. Warner's item was to let people 
get money before the primary. Jarod Laiti is now our __________?
Four of the at-large delegates need to be elected.

Treasurer's report--Jim Doyle--in keeping with our banking actions, we are 
moving our money to Provident Credit Union. Warner will be our second signatory. 
Merriam and Tian will sign a letter to the credit union. Jim Doyle will write 
it.
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 22 16:17:28 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:17:28 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [ppjc] Occupy SingAlong Wed. - We Will Not Be
	Moved!
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Subject: 	[ppjc] Occupy SingAlong Wed. - We Will Not Be Moved!
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From wrolley at charter.net  Wed Nov 23 09:03:30 2011
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:03:30 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: My 1st Campaign Trip to California - Jill Stein
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	My 1st Campaign Trip to California
Date: 	Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:56:18 +0000
From: 	Jill Stein <thegreennewdeal at gmail.com>
To: 	Wesley Rolley <wrolley at charter.net>



Dear Wesley --

I'm looking forward to my first campaign trip to California!  I will be 
arriving in the Bay Area on Monday and have several days of events 
followed by even more in Southern California.

Here is the schedule, and I hope you will join me at one or many of the 
gatherings. Together we can build the spirit of democracy and justice 
that's breaking out all over - and bring it into the Presidential race.

Please be sure to check my website www.jillstein.org 
<http://www.jillstein.org/?e=e255d37663b04816af43e1082b5c31308b808b3a&utm_source=jillstein&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=catrip&n=1> for 
any last-minute changes or updates.  For more information or to RSVP, 
please contact Rich Zitola at rich at zeeprime.com 
<mailto:rich at zeeprime.com> or 617-543-2579.

If you can't make it to the events, you can help by making a donation to 
our campaign for peace, justice and a Green New Deal.

With your financial support, we can qualify for public campaign matching 
funds - which would provide the strong campaign we need to meet the 
surging public interest in a real alternative to corporate politics as 
usual.

Will you please donate to our campaign? 
https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/donate 
<https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/donate?e=e255d37663b04816af43e1082b5c31308b808b3a&utm_source=jillstein&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=catrip&n=2>

Hope to meet you on the California campaign trail!

Upward together,

Jill Stein

******************

*Monday 11/28*


7-9p

Meet and Greet with Bay Area Greens

Duperrault Clubhouse at Willow Park

500 West Middlefield Rd.

Mountain View, CA

*
Tuesday 11/29*


10a-noon

Bike/walk the San Lorenzo River Trail to the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk

Meet at Gateway Plaza, east end by the riverwalk

Junction Hwy 1 and Hwy 9

Santa Cruz, CA 95060


12:30-1p

Visit Occupy Santa Cruz


4p

Meetup with OccupySF activists

front steps of the Federal Reserve Bldg.

101 Market Street

San Francisco, CA 94105

6-8p

Occupy San Francisco General Assembly

Justin Herman Plaza

Market Street at The Embarcadero

San Francisco, CA 94102

*Wednesday 11/30*

1-2p

Occupy Napa Kickoff

Napa Valley Community College

2277 Napa Vallejo Highway

Napa, CA 94558

4:30p

Meetup with Occupy Oakland activists

Oakland, CA

Exact location: TBD

6-8p

Oakland Fundraiser hosted by Kate and Aki Tanaka

Music by Eliza Rickman

1019 Harvard Rd.

Oakland, CA 94610

Please RSVP:

http://www.jillstein.org/green_party_party_in_oakland 
<http://www.jillstein.org/green_party_party_in_oakland?e=e255d37663b04816af43e1082b5c31308b808b3a&utm_source=jillstein&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=catrip&n=3>

*Thursday 12/1*

12:30-1:30

Speech and Discussion Group

Napa Valley Community College

2277 Napa Vallejo Highway

Napa, CA 94558

6-8p

Fundraiser with Mayor Bragman and Vice Mayor Hartwell-Herrero

Music by Eliza Rickman

The Sleeping Lady

23 Broadway

Fairfax, CA 94903

Please RSVP:

http://www.jillstein.org/green_party_party_in_fairfax 
<http://www.jillstein.org/green_party_party_in_fairfax?e=e255d37663b04816af43e1082b5c31308b808b3a&utm_source=jillstein&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=catrip&n=4>

* Friday 12/2*

11a-12:15p

Speech to Political Science Academy

Rio Americano High School

4540 American River Dr.

Sacramento, CA 95864

5p

Regional Meetup with Green Party Leaders

Hosted by Mike Feinstein

Los Angeles, CA

6-8p

Green Party Youth Caucus

Los Angeles, CA

*Saturday 12/3*

8a-7p

Green Party of California General Assembly

Vermont Square United Methodist Church

4410 South Budlong Avenue

Los Angeles, CA 90051

7-9p

GPCA Presidential Candidate Forum

Vermont Square United Methodist Church

4410 South Budlong Avenue

Los Angeles, CA 90051

Please RSVP:

http://www.jillstein.org/green_party_presidential_candidate_forum 
<http://www.jillstein.org/green_party_presidential_candidate_forum?e=e255d37663b04816af43e1082b5c31308b808b3a&utm_source=jillstein&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=catrip&n=5>

*Sunday 12/4*

8a-5p

Green Party of California General Assembly

Vermont Square United Methodist Church

4410 South Budlong Avenue

Los Angeles, California

*Monday 12/5*

7-9p

Fundraiser hosted by Michael McCue and Jeff Bacon

Mayflower Club

11110 Victory Blvd.

North Hollywood, CA 91606




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From vdf at juno.com  Wed Nov 23 15:27:23 2011
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 23:27:23 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November Green meeting
Message-ID: <20111123.152723.14046.2@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

Hi folks,

The minutes mention that, "Warner went through the [plenary] agenda items to see if there were any items we had problems with."  What were the results of that review?  What will our delegates' positions be at the plenary?

The minutes also say that the, "December meeting will be on the 15th, and we will party."  Does that mean that it will be part meeting and part party?  Or all party?  Should I re-submit my SAFE California endorsement agenda item for December and bring food?

Again, I'm very sorry I didn't make it to the meeting.  I really was trying to get there!

Thanks very much for any clarifications anyone can provide, and have a great weekend!

Valerie


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In case you want to reconcile this with the agenda, we moved a lot of things 
around and tabled Valerie's item because she wasn't there.

7:00 Social time and one minute speeches. 
Jim Doyle did a speech on immigration and said we need to develop a handout with 
the Green Party's stand on immigration in English and Spanish, and that we 
should distribute it, rather than just handing it to people when we are tabling. 
There is a website that will translate, and we have access to people at the 
Peace Center who can make sure it says what we want to say.

7:30? Begin meeting
???? Facilitator: Tian
???? Note taker: Caroline
???? Time keeper: Merriam
???? Vibes: Fred
???? Agenda? for December: Caroline

???? Introductions and announcements: Tian, Spencer, Ricardo Caballera, Jim 
Doyle, Warner, John??Thielking--peacemovies.com and stop internet piracy, 
Merriam, Caroline, Fred, Chuck Loucks.

Bank actions--Merriam??? Our two previous bank actions have been very 
successful. We will have another action on November 26 on Market across from 
Christmas in the Park, from 11:00-1:00. Merriam, John, Caroline, Tian, Spencer, 
and Fred will work on it. Spencer will make a lot of new literature.

Occupy--ask Merriam

December meeting will be on the 15th, and we will party. Movie Night for 
November had good attendance and great food.. December Movie Night will be on 
the 9th and we will show "The Mouse That Roared." Tian will post these on the 
website and Peace Center calendar.

Tablers for Junior State--Tian, Caroline and John.(Jim Doyle came, also. We made 
almost $60 due in large part to letting the kids make their own buttons.) John's 
lists of non-violent movies went very well.

Holiday Peace Fair--John will help, bring his peace movie flier. Caroline will 
bring the stuff, set up, and call Drew to see if he will help. We still need 
someone to make a dessert and to work the dessert table, so, if you want to do 
that, let Caroline know (408)530-0118.

Prepare event for Jill Stein--Monday, November 28, at Fred's clubhouse. 7:00. We 
will ask Gerry to introduce her. We need a flier, and we need to get the word 
out as fast as possible, because we have so little lead time. We are bringing 
food.

Report RE Registrar of Voters--Jim Doyle--We can have names of seven candidates 
on each signature sheet. In February we will do signature gathering. We need 
candidates. People have resisted being on the council because of not wanting to 
do another meeting a month, but now we do our council meetings during the 
regular meetings and on the phone, so it should be easier to get candidates. Jim 
Doyle will put out an email to the general list asking people to be candidates.

Proposal to endorse SAFE tabled until next meeting.

Creative protests--Jim Doyle regaled us with tales of fun and successful 
protests, including someone who superglued himself to the Prime Minister.

Plenary--Tian, Merriam, and Warner will be our delegates (Jim Stauffer may as 
well). Tian will send in the names. Warner went through the agenda items to see 
if there were any items we had problems with. Warner's item was to let people 
get money before the primary. Jarod Laiti is now our __________?
Four of the at-large delegates need to be elected.

Treasurer's report--Jim Doyle--in keeping with our banking actions, we are 
moving our money to Provident Credit Union. Warner will be our second signatory. 
Merriam and Tian will sign a letter to the credit union. Jim Doyle will write 
it.
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From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Wed Nov 23 16:30:23 2011
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:30:23 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Letter to the Milpitas Post
Message-ID: <1322094623.27879.13.camel@robs-laptop>

Letter to the Milpitas Post

America was founded on ?We the People? and designed to serve the
interests of everyone equally. Yet the Occupy Movement has appeared and
spread because, for the majority of people (the 99%), the system is not
working.  There is also a sense that this is a relatively recent
phenomenon ? ?we?re not trying to roll back the clock 100 years; just 30
years.?

The past thirty years includes the crazy economic policies of
Reaganomics (?trickle-down? tax cuts for the rich), Clintonomics (NAFTA
and WTO sucking our jobs overseas), and Bushonomics (add  $6.4 trillion
to our nation's debt -- 44.7% of today's $14.3 trillion total).

Unfortunately, reversing those policies is unlikely while corporations
control our democratic processes.  The super-failure of the
Congressional Super Committee that was supposed to solve our financial
problems is just the latest example of maintaining the status quo.  

Resolutions, legislation and Constitutional Amendments recently started
appearing at all levels of government to address the corrupting
influence of money in politics.  Most are well-meaning (including
efforts here in Milpitas), but don't cut to the heart of the matter and
reverse the absurd Supreme Court notion that corporations enjoy the same
rights as people under the U. S. Constitution.  (See
http://movetoamend.org/other-amendments )

The MoveToAmend.org folks, however, are promoting a Constitutional
Amendment that will clearly establish that money is not speech,
corporations are not people, and allows for no loopholes. It will put
people in charge of our government, and corporations in their proper
place. After two years listening and organizing at the grassroots level,
Move To Amend just released the final Amendment wording and presented
their strategy to get it passed.  Here is the 7-minute audio roll-out
from the Thom Hartmann Program:  electric-bikes.com/amend.mp3

Our country is ready for a change that is bold and sweeping.  If you are
too, check the ways to get involved at movetoamend.org/get-involved

-- 
Rob Means,1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
408-262-0420h, 408-262-8975w, rob.means at electric-bikes.com



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From alexcathy at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 08:24:44 2011
From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:24:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Letter to the Milpitas Post
In-Reply-To: <1322094623.27879.13.camel@robs-laptop>
References: <1322094623.27879.13.camel@robs-laptop>
Message-ID: <8CE78DCB602FFF4-994-2B66A@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com>

Dear Green Friends,

Rob Means is still on the case. One more comrade to be thankful for, today,

Alex Walker
Los Angeles Greens


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Means <rob.means at electric-bikes.com>
To: opinion <opinion at themilpitaspost.com>
Cc: Rob Devincenzi <rdevincenzi at themilpitaspost.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 10:08 pm
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Letter to the Milpitas Post

Letter to the Milpitas Post

America was founded on ?We the People? and designed to serve the interests of everyone equally. Yet the Occupy Movement has appeared and spread because, for the majority of people (the 99%), the system is not working.  There is also a sense that this is a relatively recent phenomenon ? ?we?re not trying to roll back the clock 100 years; just 30 years.?

The past thirty years includes the crazy economic policies of Reaganomics (?trickle-down? tax cuts for the rich), Clintonomics (NAFTA and WTO sucking our jobs overseas), and Bushonomics (add  $6.4 trillion to our nation's debt -- 44.7% of today's $14.3 trillion total).

Unfortunately, reversing those policies is unlikely while corporations control our democratic processes.  The super-failure of the Congressional Super Committee that was supposed to solve our financial problems is just the latest example of maintaining the status quo. 

Resolutions, legislation and Constitutional Amendments recently started appearing at all levels of government to address the corrupting influence of money in politics.  Most are well-meaning (including efforts here in Milpitas), but don't cut to the heart of the matter and reverse the absurd Supreme Court notion that corporations enjoy the same rights as people under the U. S. Constitution.  (See http://movetoamend.org/other-amendments )

The MoveToAmend.org folks, however, are promoting a Constitutional Amendment that will clearly establish that money is not speech, corporations are not people, and allows for no loopholes. It will put people in charge of our government, and corporations in their proper place. After two years listening and organizing at the grassroots level, Move To Amend just released the final Amendment wording and presented their strategy to get it passed.  Here is the 7-minute audio roll-out from the Thom Hartmann Program:  electric-bikes.com/amend.mp3

Our country is ready for a change that is bold and sweeping.  If you are too, check the ways to get involved at movetoamend.org/get-involved





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From wrolley at charter.net  Fri Nov 25 19:10:19 2011
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:10:19 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Buying Local
Message-ID: <4ED0589B.5070202@charter.net>

Those looking for a way to keep your money in the community might want 
to find gifts from a local potter.   This page list a number of them who 
are all members of the Orchard Valley Ceramic Arts Guild.

http://www.ovcag.org/cgi-bin/DJmbr_listmbrs.cgi?T=artists.html&INDEX=1&MAX=1000&EC=3&TN=Y&A=Y

I particularly like Jan Schachter, Eduardo Lazo, Lee Middleman and 
Swanica Lichtenberg... but alas Swanica's husband has a work asigment in 
Japan and Swanica is only in galleries there now.


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 25 23:42:12 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:42:12 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Monday: Jill Stein, GP Presidential Candidate
In-Reply-To: <4EC8A152.50202@earthlink.net>
References: <4EC8A152.50202@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4ED09854.6010807@earthlink.net>


Reminder about a visit by a presidential candidate...

Gerry

=============

Who:    Jill Stein  ( http://www.jillstein.org/ )
What:   "Meet and Greet"
When:   Monday, November 28th, 7PM
Where:  Willow Park Clubhouse
	500 W. Middlefield Road, Mountain View, CA  94043
	Entrance from Moffett, about 100-200 feet from
	Middlefield towards 101
	(This is close to 101 and 85)
	If you search http://maps.google.com/ for
	500 West Middlefield Road, Mountain View, CA,
	the clubhouse is pretty close to the "A".	
Parking: Adequate parking in the complex
Public Transit: About a half mile from Mountain View multimodal
	transit center (Caltrain and Light Rail)

Any questions, you can ask me,  gerrygras at earthlink.net,  650-424-0842
or Fred Duperrault,             fredlois2 at gmail.com,      650-691-1215

If you know someone who lives closer to San Francisco, or Los Angeles,
she will be there as well, and I can provide info about that.

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 26 17:34:04 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:34:04 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NOW:  Jill on radio tonight
In-Reply-To: <092779CB-A6C9-489E-B551-052E7877AC05@gmail.com>
References: <092779CB-A6C9-489E-B551-052E7877AC05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED1938C.6000706@earthlink.net>




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[gpca-forum] Jill on radio tonight
Date: 	Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:07:22 -0800
From: 	Sanda Everette <sanda.greensolutions at gmail.com>
To: 	GPCA Forum <gpca-forum at cagreens.org>




Jill Stein, candidate for Green Party nomination for president, will be
doing a live interview on KPFZ 88.1 FM Saturday evening at 5pm Pacific
<x-apple-data-detectors://0>. Broadcast will also be livestreaming on
the net... seekpfz.org <http://kpfz.org/> for the link http://www.kpfz.org/

Note complete schedule for her CA tour next week linked at
cagreens.org/sanmateo <http://cagreens.org/sanmateo>

Sanda
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sat Nov 26 17:54:33 2011
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:54:33 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Color in Green Party Literature
In-Reply-To: <20111126235946.3AAC36A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us>
References: <20111126235946.3AAC36A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us>
Message-ID: <4ED19859.9000204@prodsyse.com>

Hello, All:


       I've spent a fair amount of money and time over the past 6 weeks 
making copies for the Green Party and Occupy San Jose, considering 
different options.


       If anyone wants black and white copies of anything, Brian Good 
has volunteered to print perhaps 40,000 copies for the Green Party


BRIAN:  IF I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.


       Hector Schneider with Occupy San Jose has agreed to get material 
printed for us at cost, which runs roughly 4 cents per page double 
sided, color, 2.5 cents black and white.  By contrast, The Copy Factory 
in Palo Alto wants 75 cents each for 100 single sheets, color both 
sides, 82 cents folded.  I don't know, but I suspect that FedEx Office, 
Office Depot, Office Max, and Staples are probably closer to $1 per 
page.  Brian thinks we can get the old HP currently in Warner's garage 
working again.  If yes, then using that could reduce the per page charge 
to something close to what Hector thinks he can get them for.


       QUESTIONS:  What is the impact of color on the rates at which 
people (a) take our literature and (b) do something positive as a 
result?  The only data I have on this is the subjective reactions of 
people with whom I speak.  Some want the master so they can print 
black-and-white copies to hand to their friends.  That's great.  We 
probably don't need color in any context where the literature will be 
delivered to friends and relatives.  However, Caroline and Merriam are 
pretty adamant that color increases substantially the rate at which 
people accept literature.


       Both Brian and Cameron suggested using a highlighter to add color 
to black-and-white originals.  There was a fair amount of hand coloring 
of black-and-white printing in the 19th century, and this is perhaps 
reasonable if you are tabling when most of the time you are sitting 
waiting for someone to approach your table.  However, especially if we 
can get real color copies for under 10 cents per page, this doesn't make 
sense to me.


       I distributed literature today at BoA across from Cesar Chavez 
Park with Merriam, Caroline, and Tian.  I observed the following 
reactions (with guestimated percentages):


             *  (1%) A few were close to hostile, e.g, "The media is 
liberal:  All I hear is Obama, Obama."


             * (10%) Some went out of their way to avoid me.


             * (15%) Some didn't seem to change their walking 
trajectory, but tried hard to avoid looking at me.


             * (15%) Some looked at the flier for a second or so before 
deciding not to take it.


             * (25%) Some accepted the flier and kept walking -- no time 
to exchange comments.


             * (10%) Some paused or slowed enough that I made a comment 
or two as they accepted the literature.


             * (3%) A couple asked questions.


             * (20%) Several said they were already in Credit Unions or 
had otherwise already moved their money.


             *  (1%) One even said he was distributing my z-folds for 
Occupy!


       Just guessing, I will speculate that the color may have doubled 
our acceptance rate to 1 in 4 from 1 in 8 (or maybe even 1 in 12).


       Comments?
       Beset Wishes,
       Spencer


On 11/26/2011 3:59 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> It seems to me the cheapest way to make color copies is
> to make black and white copies then highlight them
> with a little color after.  Can we design our artwork to
> work in black and white with a few strokes from
> a highlighter?
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From wrolley at charter.net  Sat Nov 26 20:59:31 2011
From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 20:59:31 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Jill on radio tonight
In-Reply-To: <092779CB-A6C9-489E-B551-052E7877AC05@gmail.com>
References: <092779CB-A6C9-489E-B551-052E7877AC05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ED1C3B3.5040709@charter.net>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[gpca-forum] Jill on radio tonight
Date: 	Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:07:22 -0800
From: 	Sanda Everette <sanda.greensolutions at gmail.com>
To: 	GPCA Forum <gpca-forum at cagreens.org>




Jill Stein, candidate for Green Party nomination for president, will be 
doing a live interview on KPFZ 88.1 FM Saturday evening at 5pm Pacific 
<x-apple-data-detectors://0>. Broadcast will also be livestreaming on 
the net... seekpfz.org <http://kpfz.org/> for the link http://www.kpfz.org/

Note complete schedule for her CA tour next week linked at 
cagreens.org/sanmateo <http://cagreens.org/sanmateo>

Sanda
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sat Nov 26 21:15:43 2011
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:15:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Color in Green Party Literature
In-Reply-To: <4ED19859.9000204@prodsyse.com>
References: <20111126235946.3AAC36A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us>
	<4ED19859.9000204@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <1322370943.34060.YahooMailRC@web181020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Nobody must count on Caroline to color. When I am tabling, I don't sit and wait 
for people to approach me. I try to catch the eye of everyone who walks past, 
and I ask them if they would like some information about the Green Party. If I 
am going to spend any time coloring at home, it will be something we can sell. I 
like Spencer's handouts. Not only do they have color, they have something that 
the people I hand them to can actually USE--the procedure for moving their money 
to a credit union. I feel I am doing them a service, and I think this 
communicates itself to the public. 

Caroline




________________________________
From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, November 26, 2011 5:54:33 PM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Color in Green Party Literature

Hello, All:


? ? ? I've spent a fair amount of money and time over the past 6 weeks making 
copies for the Green Party and Occupy San Jose, considering different options.


? ? ? If anyone wants black and white copies of anything, Brian Good has 
volunteered to print perhaps 40,000 copies for the Green Party


BRIAN:? IF I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.


? ? ? Hector Schneider with Occupy San Jose has agreed to get material printed 
for us at cost, which runs roughly 4 cents per page double sided, color, 2.5 
cents black and white.? By contrast, The Copy Factory in Palo Alto wants 75 
cents each for 100 single sheets, color both sides, 82 cents folded.? I don't 
know, but I suspect that FedEx Office, Office Depot, Office Max, and Staples are 
probably closer to $1 per page.? Brian thinks we can get the old HP currently in 
Warner's garage working again.? If yes, then using that could reduce the per 
page charge to something close to what Hector thinks he can get them for.


? ? ? QUESTIONS:? What is the impact of color on the rates at which people (a) 
take our literature and (b) do something positive as a result?? The only data I 
have on this is the subjective reactions of people with whom I speak.? Some want 
the master so they can print black-and-white copies to hand to their friends.? 
That's great.? We probably don't need color in any context where the literature 
will be delivered to friends and relatives.? However, Caroline and Merriam are 
pretty adamant that color increases substantially the rate at which people 
accept literature.


? ? ? Both Brian and Cameron suggested using a highlighter to add color to 
black-and-white originals.? There was a fair amount of hand coloring of 
black-and-white printing in the 19th century, and this is perhaps reasonable if 
you are tabling when most of the time you are sitting waiting for someone to 
approach your table.? However, especially if we can get real color copies for 
under 10 cents per page, this doesn't make sense to me.


? ? ? I distributed literature today at BoA across from Cesar Chavez Park with 
Merriam, Caroline, and Tian.? I observed the following reactions (with 
guestimated percentages):


? ? ? ? ? ? *? (1%) A few were close to hostile, e.g, "The media is liberal:? 
All I hear is Obama, Obama."


? ? ? ? ? ? * (10%) Some went out of their way to avoid me.


? ? ? ? ? ? * (15%) Some didn't seem to change their walking trajectory, but 
tried hard to avoid looking at me.


? ? ? ? ? ? * (15%) Some looked at the flier for a second or so before deciding 
not to take it.


? ? ? ? ? ? * (25%) Some accepted the flier and kept walking -- no time to 
exchange comments.


? ? ? ? ? ? * (10%) Some paused or slowed enough that I made a comment or two as 
they accepted the literature.


? ? ? ? ? ? * (3%) A couple asked questions.


? ? ? ? ? ? * (20%) Several said they were already in Credit Unions or had 
otherwise already moved their money.


? ? ? ? ? ? *? (1%) One even said he was distributing my z-folds for Occupy!


? ? ? Just guessing, I will speculate that the color may have doubled our 
acceptance rate to 1 in 4 from 1 in 8 (or maybe even 1 in 12).


? ? ? Comments?
? ? ? Beset Wishes,
? ? ? Spencer


On 11/26/2011 3:59 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
> It seems to me the cheapest way to make color copies is
> to make black and white copies then highlight them
> with a little color after.? Can we design our artwork to
> work in black and white with a few strokes from
> a highlighter?
> 


-- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:? 408-655-4567
web:? www.structuremonitoring.com

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 27 10:50:08 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:50:08 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] S.B. 1867 - Bad News
Message-ID: <4ED28660.3000505@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Gerry

P.S. I am leaving for a few hours, and don't have time
to look at the bill myself, right now.


==========================================

 From Pat Gray:
There is a positively AWFUL bill being sneaked into the Senate on a fast 
track.  This bill will kill any semblance we have left of democracy or 
civil rights in our nation.

S.B. 1867  The National Defense Authorization Act.

This bill will allow the American military to imprison American citizens 
under the "worldwide indefinite detention with out charge or trial" part 
of this bill.  This bill also repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. 
This was done by the Patriot Act but only by interpretation.  This act 
spells it out.  This bill authorizes the U.S. military to perform law 
enforcement functions on American soil.

The occupiers better be careful.  This could be another Kent State event 
where demonstrators are shot dead.

Everyone MUST contact Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer to DEMAND that 
they vote NO on this bill.
_______________________________________________________________________________________

I know the Greens are gearing up to have candidates on the ballot.  I 
think Greens must also make a plea to the voters not to vote for any 
incumbent.   THe entire Congress is corrupt to the bone.  Check their 
voting record.  1% all the way and the hell with the 99%.

If we could get people to vote after paying attention to the voting 
record rather than whether there is a little d or an r after a candidate 
name, maybe we could open up the two party system to include the other 
parties on the ballot---like GREENS!

The two ladies I mention above both voted for the wars, the tax cuts for 
the rich, the deregulation of the banks, the trillions of dollars given 
to Wall St. with no strings attached as well as not even allowing Single 
Payer, Medicare for all to come up for a vote.  Plus which both of these 
ladies have been accused of using insider information in their stock 
buying.  It is not against the law for members of Congress to do this. 
Plus, they are both millionaires and vote to make things nice for their 
social class---and you ain't in it.  They don't concern themselves with 
the 99% which is why they both need to feel a boot on their butt.  Kick 
them out!


From jims at greens.org  Sun Nov 27 14:40:30 2011
From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:40:30 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Color in Green Party Literature
In-Reply-To: <4ED19859.9000204@prodsyse.com>
References: <20111126235946.3AAC36A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us>
	<4ED19859.9000204@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <4ED2BC5E.9030005@greens.org>

 From a usability survey some years ago, colored literature tends to be 
perceived as more professional while black & white is more garage shop / 
street level. Adding highlighter to a B&W looks even more street level.

You have to consider who you're representing and who you're talking to, and 
what the expectations are for each. Chances are that you want some color 
pieces to give to those you really want to impressive or persuade. To those 
already receptive to the subject would be fine with B&W.

Jim




On 11/26/2011 5:54 PM, Spencer Graves wrote:
> Hello, All:
>
>
> I've spent a fair amount of money and time over the past 6 weeks making copies
> for the Green Party and Occupy San Jose, considering different options.
>
>
> If anyone wants black and white copies of anything, Brian Good has volunteered
> to print perhaps 40,000 copies for the Green Party
>
>
> BRIAN: IF I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
>
>
> Hector Schneider with Occupy San Jose has agreed to get material printed for
> us at cost, which runs roughly 4 cents per page double sided, color, 2.5 cents
> black and white. By contrast, The Copy Factory in Palo Alto wants 75 cents
> each for 100 single sheets, color both sides, 82 cents folded. I don't know,
> but I suspect that FedEx Office, Office Depot, Office Max, and Staples are
> probably closer to $1 per page. Brian thinks we can get the old HP currently
> in Warner's garage working again. If yes, then using that could reduce the per
> page charge to something close to what Hector thinks he can get them for.
>
>
> QUESTIONS: What is the impact of color on the rates at which people (a) take
> our literature and (b) do something positive as a result? The only data I have
> on this is the subjective reactions of people with whom I speak. Some want the
> master so they can print black-and-white copies to hand to their friends.
> That's great. We probably don't need color in any context where the literature
> will be delivered to friends and relatives. However, Caroline and Merriam are
> pretty adamant that color increases substantially the rate at which people
> accept literature.
>
>
> Both Brian and Cameron suggested using a highlighter to add color to
> black-and-white originals. There was a fair amount of hand coloring of
> black-and-white printing in the 19th century, and this is perhaps reasonable
> if you are tabling when most of the time you are sitting waiting for someone
> to approach your table. However, especially if we can get real color copies
> for under 10 cents per page, this doesn't make sense to me.
>
>
> I distributed literature today at BoA across from Cesar Chavez Park with
> Merriam, Caroline, and Tian. I observed the following reactions (with
> guestimated percentages):
>
>
> * (1%) A few were close to hostile, e.g, "The media is liberal: All I hear is
> Obama, Obama."
>
>
> * (10%) Some went out of their way to avoid me.
>
>
> * (15%) Some didn't seem to change their walking trajectory, but tried hard to
> avoid looking at me.
>
>
> * (15%) Some looked at the flier for a second or so before deciding not to
> take it.
>
>
> * (25%) Some accepted the flier and kept walking -- no time to exchange comments.
>
>
> * (10%) Some paused or slowed enough that I made a comment or two as they
> accepted the literature.
>
>
> * (3%) A couple asked questions.
>
>
> * (20%) Several said they were already in Credit Unions or had otherwise
> already moved their money.
>
>
> * (1%) One even said he was distributing my z-folds for Occupy!
>
>
> Just guessing, I will speculate that the color may have doubled our acceptance
> rate to 1 in 4 from 1 in 8 (or maybe even 1 in 12).
>
>
> Comments?
> Beset Wishes,
> Spencer
>
>
> On 11/26/2011 3:59 PM, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>> It seems to me the cheapest way to make color copies is
>> to make black and white copies then highlight them
>> with a little color after. Can we design our artwork to
>> work in black and white with a few strokes from
>> a highlighter?
>>
>
>


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 27 19:45:13 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:45:13 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] S. 1867
In-Reply-To: <4ED2FEF2.3050303@earthlink.net>
References: <4ED2FEF2.3050303@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4ED303C9.9020401@earthlink.net>


When I read/hear statements about alleged problems with
bills, I sometimes like to learn more about them.

So when I heard there were serious problems with S. 1867,
I did some internet searching, and ...

FIRST, there may be a vote tomorrow (Monday) or the
next day (Tuesday).

SECOND, there are references to a section 1031,
which I can't find in the text:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867:
NOTE: I am not sure that clicking on that link will
get you to the text, that might be a dynamic link.
If not, then go to: http://thomas.loc.gov , select
bill number, enter "s b 1867".

It may (or may not) be that that section has already
been removed.

THIRD, this is yet another example of how poor a job
the MSM is doing.  My internet search did not find
any MSM reporting on it.

Finally, here are the highlights of what I found ...

============

Here's a statement from the ACLU:
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being

"Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a
'Battlefield' They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window"

"The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John
McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without
even a single hearing."

"The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their
goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military
battlefield, that even extends to your hometown. That is an extreme
position that will forever change our country."

Here's their petition:
https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA

===========

The Udall Amendment is discussed here:
http://markudall.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1746

===========

 From Amnesty International:

http://blog.amnestyusa.org/waronterror/internment-in-the-us-not-on-our-watch/

"The result is so insidious that the Chairs of the Intelligence and
Judiciary Committees,  who are at the heart of every key issue in the
struggle against Al Qaeda, wrote an instant public response condemning
the deal."

(A petition)
http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=6oJCLQPAJiJUG&b=6645049&aid=516711

===========

Here's a statement from Human Rights First, an organization
I am unfamiliar with:

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2011/11/16/defense-authorization-bill-compromise-sparks-sharp-opposition/

"Defense Authorization Bill Compromise Sparks Sharp Opposition"

"In the wake of yesterday?s announced Senate Armed Services Committee
defense authorization compromise, Human Rights First is praising the
Obama Administration and Senators Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Dianne
Feinstein (D-CA) for their forceful opposition to the proposal that
would undermine national security and the rule of law."

"Among other things, the defense bill would let the government imprison
people without proof, indefinitely, merely on suspicion of criminality.
Moreover, the bill would potentially eviscerate the crucial role of the
FBI and local law enforcement in domestic counterterrorism operations by
mandating military custody for a large category of terrorism suspects."

============

Here's a statement from antiwar.com, a website I am not
familiar with:

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/11/17/provision-shifting-terrorism-cases-to-military-domain-probably-wont-pass/

"The original language, which a Senate panel approved in June, shifted
the responsibility for trying all terrorism suspects to the U.S.
military, as opposed to civilian courts. "

=============

Other links:

http://info-wars.org/2011/11/26/us-senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-intern-americans-without-trial/

http://www.congress.org/soapbox/alert/57366501

http://www.allgov.com/Controversies/ViewNews/Vague_Wording_of_Senate_Defense_Bill_Called_Disaster_by_Amnesty_International_111121


Gerry



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 28 15:46:58 2011
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:46:58 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move Your Money
Message-ID: <BAY165-W9FC411A9BD75A03A3E50D9EB20@phx.gbl>



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icqrx0OimSs&feature=player_embedded#!


   I finally got around to moving mine.  My account got grandathered over the
last 40 years or so as a small S&L got gobbled by American Savings which got
gobbled by Great Western Savings, which got gobbled by Washington Mutual,
which got gobbled by Chase.  Something like that.

  I got tired of all the junk mail from Chase and all the lotto nonsense (like they
were ever really going to pay for my next check!).  The last straw was when
I stopped in to order some checks.  I was on my way--no kidding!--to see 
Charles Ferguson speak at Stanford, and I thought I could just fill out a form.
Nope, their client service associate sat me down for 45 minutes during which
time she tried to sell me a lot of stuff I didn't want, opened a second checking 
account for me (taking away the privileges of my earlier money-market-with 
checking, generating fees, generating a second minimum-balance requirement, 
and no doubt making a fat commission for herself).  I was thus late for 
Ferguson, and to add insult to injury, when Gerry saw me carrying my shiny 
new cardboard folder from Chase he looked at me like I'd come in Condoleezza
Rice.

  I just got my new checks from the credit union.  Wow, they look just like
real checks!   So long, Too-big Fail!





   




 		 	   		  
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 29 06:08:28 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:08:28 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Obama on the Environment
Message-ID: <4ED4E75C.60005@earthlink.net>


"Report Highlights Obama's Broken Environmental Promises"

"Critics say White House office operates as 'one-stop wrecking machine' 
for important environmental protections"

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/11/29-0

Gerry


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 29 13:01:07 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:01:07 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Wisconsin Recall Drive
Message-ID: <4ED54813.1080500@earthlink.net>


The Walker recall drive in Wisconsin is doing well
in Democratic and Republican ares, in urban and rural
areas.

"Wisconsin Recall Drive Surpasses 300,000 Signatures"
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/29-5

Gerry


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 30 14:13:36 2011
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:13:36 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] S. 1867
In-Reply-To: <4ED303C9.9020401@earthlink.net>
References: <4ED2FEF2.3050303@earthlink.net> <4ED303C9.9020401@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4ED6AA90.1030606@earthlink.net>


Matthew Rothschild has an article about this:
"McCain says American Citizens Can Be Sent to Guantanamo"
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/30-4

NOTE: The Udall Amendment has been defeated.
About 12 Ds joined the Rs.  Only 1 R joined the Ds.

The text of the bill is at:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c112:./temp/~c112Hb4Vbc
Section 1031 is about 55% of the way down the page.

Because "temp" is in the URL, maybe it is temporary.
So here is Section 1031, below.

========================

Subtitle D--Detainee Matters

SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED 
STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE 
OF MILITARY FORCE.

     (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the 
President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the 
Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the 
authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered 
persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law 
of war.

     (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any 
person as follows:

         (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the 
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those 
responsible for those attacks.

         (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported 
al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in 
hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, 
including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly 
supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

     (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under 
the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:

         (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end 
of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military 
Force.

         (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as 
amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public 
Law 111-84)).

         (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent 
tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.

         (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country 
of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

     (d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or 
expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization 
for Use of Military Force.

     (e) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense 
shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the 
authority described in this section, including the organizations, 
entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons' for 
purposes of subsection (b)(2).

========================

Gerry



Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> When I read/hear statements about alleged problems with
> bills, I sometimes like to learn more about them.
>
> So when I heard there were serious problems with S. 1867,
> I did some internet searching, and ...
>
> FIRST, there may be a vote tomorrow (Monday) or the
> next day (Tuesday).
>
> SECOND, there are references to a section 1031,
> which I can't find in the text:
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867:
> NOTE: I am not sure that clicking on that link will
> get you to the text, that might be a dynamic link.
> If not, then go to: http://thomas.loc.gov , select
> bill number, enter "s b 1867".
>
> It may (or may not) be that that section has already
> been removed.
>
> THIRD, this is yet another example of how poor a job
> the MSM is doing. My internet search did not find
> any MSM reporting on it.
>
> Finally, here are the highlights of what I found ...
>
> ============
>
> Here's a statement from the ACLU:
> http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/senators-demand-military-lock-american-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being
>
>
> "Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a
> 'Battlefield' They Define as Being Right Outside Your Window"
>
> "The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John
> McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without
> even a single hearing."
>
> "The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their
> goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military
> battlefield, that even extends to your hometown. That is an extreme
> position that will forever change our country."
>
> Here's their petition:
> https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA
>
>
> ===========
>
> The Udall Amendment is discussed here:
> http://markudall.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1746
>
> ===========
>
>  From Amnesty International:
>
> http://blog.amnestyusa.org/waronterror/internment-in-the-us-not-on-our-watch/
>
>
> "The result is so insidious that the Chairs of the Intelligence and
> Judiciary Committees, who are at the heart of every key issue in the
> struggle against Al Qaeda, wrote an instant public response condemning
> the deal."
>
> (A petition)
> http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=6oJCLQPAJiJUG&b=6645049&aid=516711
>
>
> ===========
>
> Here's a statement from Human Rights First, an organization
> I am unfamiliar with:
>
> http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2011/11/16/defense-authorization-bill-compromise-sparks-sharp-opposition/
>
>
> "Defense Authorization Bill Compromise Sparks Sharp Opposition"
>
> "In the wake of yesterday?s announced Senate Armed Services Committee
> defense authorization compromise, Human Rights First is praising the
> Obama Administration and Senators Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Dianne
> Feinstein (D-CA) for their forceful opposition to the proposal that
> would undermine national security and the rule of law."
>
> "Among other things, the defense bill would let the government imprison
> people without proof, indefinitely, merely on suspicion of criminality.
> Moreover, the bill would potentially eviscerate the crucial role of the
> FBI and local law enforcement in domestic counterterrorism operations by
> mandating military custody for a large category of terrorism suspects."
>
> ============
>
> Here's a statement from antiwar.com, a website I am not
> familiar with:
>
> http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/11/17/provision-shifting-terrorism-cases-to-military-domain-probably-wont-pass/
>
>
> "The original language, which a Senate panel approved in June, shifted
> the responsibility for trying all terrorism suspects to the U.S.
> military, as opposed to civilian courts. "
>
> =============
>
> Other links:
>
> http://info-wars.org/2011/11/26/us-senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-intern-americans-without-trial/
>
>
> http://www.congress.org/soapbox/alert/57366501
>
> http://www.allgov.com/Controversies/ViewNews/Vague_Wording_of_Senate_Defense_Bill_Called_Disaster_by_Amnesty_International_111121
>
>
>
> Gerry
>