From wrolley at charter.net Sat Oct 1 09:42:34 2011 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:42:34 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Biofuels and Hunger Message-ID: <4E8742FA.4070105@charter.net> Lead to must read post at Climate Progress: > Biofuel policies in countries from Australia to the U.S. may push 120 > million people into hunger by 2050 while doing little to halt climate > change, said Mahendra Shah, an advisor to Qatar?s food security program. Source: http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/10/01/333714/biofuels-hunger-qatar-food-price/ Greens must hold Obama (from corn-state Illinois) accountable for our failure here. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 1 14:31:56 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 14:31:56 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] suggestions for October 6-th action Message-ID: <4E8786CC.6040601@sbcglobal.net> Re requested suggestions The Bank of America 1) received bailout money 2) made a huge profit 3) paid no taxes 4) continues foreclosures (for a while they stopped but have since restarted) for more info on other actions on this topic see http://www.usuncut.org/actions/list the web site http://www.usuncut.org/ also has a list of targets, i.e., those corporations that paid no taxes in certain recent years at http://www.usuncut.org/targets with links to specific data, for example, Verizon Hey Verizon, Can You Hear Us Now? Pay Your Taxes. Verizon made $12 billion in profits last year, but has paid $0 in taxes for two years now[1 ]. However, they did spend $34 million on lobbying. Well, for your plans a better example is Bank of America Bank of America Bank of America is the #1 largest bank and the 5th largest corporation in our country, holding over $2.2 trillion in assets , and yet it pays less in taxes than the average American household. In fact, the federal government gave Bank of America $2.3 billion in 2009 while it made $4.4 billion in profits. Bank of America is /Bad for America/. Despite ruining the economy with their reckless greed, Bank of America consistently avoids any form of accountability to the American taxpayer. Bank of America pockets billions in profits and bailouts, but then pays $0 in American taxes and even gets tax refunds. I hope this helps. Jim Doyle -------------- Also, here is a copy of an email from Merriam Folks, We are having our own action in San Jose against BofA on Thursday, Oct. 6. I'm hoping you will want to take part in our action and not go to SF. We will be at the Downtown San Jose BofA at 99 S. 4th ST. (corner of San Fernando & 4th St. /Across from MLK Library) from 4 - 6 pm handing out Spencer's tri-fold on credit cards and holding signs shaming BofA for the $5 charge on using your debit card. See info below. Caroline, Tian, Spencer, Fred and I will be there. Merriam Stand Up To Bank of America:Demonstration & Public Outreach *When:* Thursday, October 06 2011 @ 04:00 PM - - 06:00PM *Where:* Bank of America 99 South 4th St. San Jose, CA 95113 *Description:* Join us to stand up to Bank of America in downtown San Jose. We will be handing out a tri-fold brochure on the dangers of credit cards and the credit card pitfall banks like B of A are creating for we consumers to fall in. This action is in support of the Occupy Wall Street campaign that is taking place in New York. We also will be showing our support for the Occupy D.C. campaign calling for ending the Afghanistan war and ending the Austerity Budget against the Middleclass here at home. This event is sponsored by Green Party of Santa Clara County From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 1 14:48:19 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 14:48:19 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] tabling at Foothill College next Wednesday Message-ID: <4E878AA3.3040204@sbcglobal.net> I have received email from one of the event's coordinators that includes the folowing information Dear Mr. Doyle, For the parking, you will need a visitor parking permits, which cost two dollars per day. Since the day of the event is going to be the second week of the quarter, the parking spots will easily get filled up. It usually takes 15 minutes to find a spot. The cafeteria is located on top of the bookstore (the big X : )[a reference to a campus map] ) We usually hold our events outdoor. However, the weather forecast suggests that there is a good chance for raining on next Wednesday, that's why we moving indoor this time. We would change the location to the library quad if the weather is nice. For the booths, the dimension of the table is approximately 5? by 1.5?, chairs will be provided for the event. Please let me know if you need more tables or if you need an outlet for the event. The representatives from Democrats Party and Republican Party are going to participate on our event. We try focus on the local election this year. Hopefully the free food is going to attract students to come to our event. Sincerely, Sze Hon Fung Zion ------ The local elections are for city council in Sunnyvale and Cupertino, ballot measures in Sunnyvale and Palo Alto (and Cupertino, too?) plus a school board in the Orchard School District in San Jose. Jim Doyle ------ From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat Oct 1 17:32:57 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:32:57 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Ban Ki Moon's global agenda for seven billion Message-ID: <4E87B139.2040406@prodsyse.com> Five global imperatives: 1. sustainable development 2. prevention as a framework for international cooperation -- political mediation rather than ?peacekeepers? 3. building a safer and more secure world -- stand up for democracy, human rights and peace. Break the stalemate in the Middle East. Palestinians deserve a state. Israel needs security. Both want peace. ... nuclear disarmament and nonproliferation. 4. support countries in transition. 5. work with and for women and youth. http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/2011927142753921534.html -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 1 18:30:40 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 18:30:40 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] ... arrests continue ... In-Reply-To: <4E87BE49.4010109@earthlink.net> References: <4E87BE49.4010109@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E87BEC0.40505@earthlink.net> FYI, 400 arrested? https://occupywallst.org/ http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/223260/20111001/occupy-wall-street-protest-march-brooklyn-bridge-nypd-arrests.htm http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/02/us-wallstreet-protests-idUSTRE7900BL20111002 http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/7986771-418/about-400-arrested-in-occupy-wall-street-march-on-brooklyn-bridge.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/brooklyn-bridge-shuts-down-in-1-direction-after-wall-street-protesters-spill-onto-roadway/2011/10/01/gIQAfxUUDL_story.html Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat Oct 1 19:15:54 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:15:54 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NEED INFO for Oct. 4 Move To Amend meeting at Peace Center, Tuesday, Oct. 4? In-Reply-To: <82b.f27cb3f.3bb829f5@aol.com> References: <82b.f27cb3f.3bb829f5@aol.com> Message-ID: <4E87C95A.2060303@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: I just updated www.cagreens.org/sclara , including references to a Move to Amend meeting Tuesday, Oct. 4, a Bank of America action Thursday, Oct. 6, Movie Night, Friday, Oct. 14, and our monthly meeting, Thursday, Oct. 27. Please check it out if you have time and notify me of any errors of omission or commission, clumsy construction, unintelligible prose, etc. I won't promise to fix every comma fault, but if I look silly or stupid, I'd prefer to have the opportunity to fix the problem if I can. Best Wishes, Spencer p.s. The Bank of America discussion includes two of my favorite infamous plots showing (a) the US finance getting a third of US corporate domestic profits, and (b) equitable growth at 2.2 percent from 1947 to 1970 and lower growth at 1.8 percent On 10/1/2011 1:31 AM, MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > There is going to be a follow-up meeting for the people who attended > David Cobb's talk in San Jose. Our Palo Alto organizing team is > invited to attend this Move To Amend follow-up meeting in San Jose on > Tues. 10/4. If you are going to attend there is a $5 charge for a box > lunch and you need to RSVP to HUMANAGENDAUSA at GMAIL.COM > if you want a lunch. I hope some of > you will attend this meeting so that we can start forming a coalition > to work together to further the MTA campaign. > Caroline and I will attending. > Merriam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: richhobbs at msn.com > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Sent: 9/27/2011 1:21:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time > Subj: REMINDER: MOVE TO AMEND FOLLOW-UP MEETING IN SAN JOSE > > ***Move To Amend Follow-Up Mtg in San Jose on Tues. Oct. 4 at > 11:30 AM* > > *Location:San Jose Peace & Justice Center, **48 S 7th Street, San > Jose, CA 95112*** > > Move to Amend Header > > */The national campaign to Abolish Corporate Personhood and Defend > Democracy./*/ > *Sign the Petition: http://MoveToAmend.org/motion-to-amend > * * **/ > > http://movetoamend.org/sites/default/files/183477_1002417293689_1022529970_30006233_7045_n.jpg > > *David Cobb* > ?s > fiery speech in San Jose at the First Unitarian Church on > September 13th lit a spark among local activists who recognized > TINA and Santa Clara County Exceptionalism: > > 1. *There Is No Alternative* but to take on the corporate > autocracy that undermines our environment, our food, our > housing, our health care, and our democracy. > 2. *We have an Exceptional Role to Play in Santa Clara > County*because this is where corporate personhood began 125 > years ago in /Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad/. > > The *righteous anger* that David Cobb talked about?the same anger > that colonists felt against British rule and the unfair practices > of the British East India Company?must be gathered and channeled > in a popular, WE THE PEOPLE uprising with clear alternatives and > vehicles for change that only the people can develop. > > ABOUT TWO DOZEN PEOPLE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN A FOLLOW-UP MEETING > TO DISCUSS THE FOUNDING OF A MOVE TO AMEND CHAPTER IN SANTA CLARA > COUNTY.PLEASE LET US ALL LEAVE OUR EGOS AT THE DOOR AND WORK > TOGETHER ON SOMETHING THAT IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN ANYTHING THAT > ANY SINGLE GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL CAN HANDLE AT THIS TIME.IF YOU HAVE > A WORKING PROPOSAL ON WHAT WORK TO DO MOVING FORWARD, OR IF YOU > WOULD LIKE TO RSVP FOR A $5 LUNCH, PLEASE CONTACT ME AT RICHARD > HOBBS, 408-460-2999 , OR > HUMANAGENDAUSA at GMAIL.COM .IF YOU > WOULD LIKE TO BE TAKEN OFF THIS GROUP DISTRIBUTION LIST ALSO > PLEASE LET ME KNOW.THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING ON SEPTEMBER 13. > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. 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If you'd like some for another event -- or to pass out at another bank on Oct. 6 -- please let me know. Best Wishes, Spencer ######################################### I just updated www.cagreens.org/sclara , including references to a Move to Amend meeting Tuesday, Oct. 4, a Bank of America action Thursday, Oct. 6, Movie Night, Friday, Oct. 14, and our monthly meeting, Thursday, Oct. 27. Please check it out if you have time and notify me of any errors of omission or commission, clumsy construction, unintelligible prose, etc. I won't promise to fix every comma fault, but if I look silly or stupid, I'd prefer to have the opportunity to fix the problem if I can. Best Wishes, Spencer p.s. The Bank of America discussion includes two of my favorite infamous plots showing (a) the US finance getting a third of US corporate domestic profits, and (b) equitable growth at 2.2 percent from 1947 to 1970 and lower growth at 1.8 percent On 10/1/2011 1:31 AM, MKmusic03 at aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > There is going to be a follow-up meeting for the people who attended > David Cobb's talk in San Jose. Our Palo Alto organizing team is > invited to attend this Move To Amend follow-up meeting in San Jose on > Tues. 10/4. If you are going to attend there is a $5 charge for a box > lunch and you need to RSVP to HUMANAGENDAUSA at GMAIL.COM > if you want a lunch. I hope some of > you will attend this meeting so that we can start forming a coalition > to work together to further the MTA campaign. > Caroline and I will attending. > Merriam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: richhobbs at msn.com > To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; > Sent: 9/27/2011 1:21:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time > Subj: REMINDER: MOVE TO AMEND FOLLOW-UP MEETING IN SAN JOSE > > ***Move To Amend Follow-Up Mtg in San Jose on Tues. Oct. 4 at > 11:30 AM* > > *Location:San Jose Peace & Justice Center, **48 S 7th Street, San > Jose, CA 95112*** > > Move to Amend Header > > */The national campaign to Abolish Corporate Personhood and Defend > Democracy./*/ > *Sign the Petition: http://MoveToAmend.org/motion-to-amend > * * **/ > > http://movetoamend.org/sites/default/files/183477_1002417293689_1022529970_30006233_7045_n.jpg > > *David Cobb* > ?s > fiery speech in San Jose at the First Unitarian Church on > September 13th lit a spark among local activists who recognized > TINA and Santa Clara County Exceptionalism: > > 1. *There Is No Alternative* but to take on the corporate > autocracy that undermines our environment, our food, our > housing, our health care, and our democracy. > 2. *We have an Exceptional Role to Play in Santa Clara > County*because this is where corporate personhood began 125 > years ago in /Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad/. > > The *righteous anger* that David Cobb talked about?the same anger > that colonists felt against British rule and the unfair practices > of the British East India Company?must be gathered and channeled > in a popular, WE THE PEOPLE uprising with clear alternatives and > vehicles for change that only the people can develop. > > ABOUT TWO DOZEN PEOPLE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN A FOLLOW-UP MEETING > TO DISCUSS THE FOUNDING OF A MOVE TO AMEND CHAPTER IN SANTA CLARA > COUNTY.PLEASE LET US ALL LEAVE OUR EGOS AT THE DOOR AND WORK > TOGETHER ON SOMETHING THAT IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN ANYTHING THAT > ANY SINGLE GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL CAN HANDLE AT THIS TIME.IF YOU HAVE > A WORKING PROPOSAL ON WHAT WORK TO DO MOVING FORWARD, OR IF YOU > WOULD LIKE TO RSVP FOR A $5 LUNCH, PLEASE CONTACT ME AT RICHARD > HOBBS, 408-460-2999 , OR > HUMANAGENDAUSA at GMAIL.COM .IF YOU > WOULD LIKE TO BE TAKEN OFF THIS GROUP DISTRIBUTION LIST ALSO > PLEASE LET ME KNOW.THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING ON SEPTEMBER 13. > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. 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Now it has become home to what may be our best hope for rescuing it. For everyone who loves this country, for everyone whose heart is breaking for the growing ranks of the poor, for everyone who is seething at the unopposed demolition of America's working and middle class: the time has come to get off the fence. A new generation has gone to the scene of the crimes committed against our future. The time has come for all people of good will to give our full-throated backing to the young people of the Occupy Wall Street movement. So this Wednesday, we're joining with MoveOn, and labor and community groups in New York for a massive march down to the Occupy Wall Street encampment. And for those who can't make it to New York, we're also holding a huge online "Virtual March on Wall Street" in solidarity with the brave protesters in New York. Click here to sign up for Wednesday's Virtual March and we'll send all the details. Occupations are springing up all over the country as well. You can see if there's one near you by clicking here: http://www.occupytogether.org/ Our movement was born after Madison, Wisconsin, to stand up for middle and working class families. We've engaged 130,000 people to crowd-source our own jobs agenda-the Contract for the American Dream. In August, tens of thousands of us demonstrated for jobs in rallies across the nation. And this week in Washington, D.C., we host our first national gathering: the Take Back The American Dream conference. The cccupation of Wall Street-and the occupations throughout the country-are expressions of the same spirit and dynamic. And these particular demonstrations, perhaps uniquely, contain the spark to grow into a movement that can be transformative. They are the first, small step in the creation of a movement that can restore American democracy, and renew the American Dream. Now is our time to choose. Will we keep rewarding those whose financial manipulations have brought us to ruin? Or will we stand with those whose democratic innovations are breathing life into our finest ideals? Both groups are within blocks of each other in downtown Manhattan. For the past 30 years, the country has stood behind the titans on Wall Street and their values. We listened when they said that their banks were too big too fail. Today, there is only one thing that's too big to fail: the dreams of this new generation, finding its voice in Liberty Park. All of America should now stand with them. Thank you for being a part of, and believing in, this movement. -Van, Natalie, Billy, Jim, Ian, Somer, and the rest of the Rebuild the Dream team P.S. I had a wonderful opportunity to talk about the American Dream Movement on Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday. 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URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sun Oct 2 15:36:43 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:36:43 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Occupy Wall Street In-Reply-To: <712E4C92DAEE48B4AC1FC523D08A16AF@eameecePC> References: <712E4C92DAEE48B4AC1FC523D08A16AF@eameecePC> Message-ID: <4E88E77B.2070207@prodsyse.com> We are planning to leaflet Bank of America in San Jose this Thursday, Oct. 6. For more information, including our "No Credit Card" bookmark and trifold, see "www.cagreens.org" including the Resources page. The theme is NOT to stop using credit cards but to liquidate any credit card debt and transfer away from major banks who are primarily responsible for the current global economic disruption to a local credit union. The only people I know in the "we" who are planning to leaflet BoA are Caroline, Merriam, plus my wife, Betsy, and I. Betsy and I plan to meet Caroline and Merriam at the time an place indicated on the web site, then perhaps divide up the literature and Betsy and I may go to another branch. If more people are interested please let me know and I can print more bookmarks and trifolds. Or you can download the PDF or Open Office documents for the fliers and bookmark and print your own. The Open Office version allows you to edit it any way you want, e.g., giving contact information for some other organization and someone other than me. Spencer On 10/2/2011 3:15 PM, Eric A. Meece wrote: > The Green Party should be on board with this. > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Van Jones, Rebuild The Dream > *To:* Eric Meece > *Sent:* Sunday, October 02, 2011 2:45 PM > *Subject:* Occupy Wall Street > > Rebuild the Dream, Powered by MoveOn.org Civic Action > > Dear Eric, > > Wall Street has long been the home of the biggest threat to American > democracy. Now it has become home to what may be our best hope for > rescuing it. > > For everyone who loves this country, for everyone whose heart is > breaking for the growing ranks of the poor, for everyone who is > seething at the unopposed demolition of America's working and middle > class: the time has come to get off the fence. > > A new generation has gone to the scene of the crimes committed against > our future. The time has come for all people of good will to give our > full-throated backing to the young people of the Occupy Wall Street > movement. > > So this Wednesday, we're joining with MoveOn, and labor and community > groups in New York for *a massive march down to the Occupy Wall Street > encampment*. And for those who can't make it to New York, we're also > holding *a huge online "Virtual March on Wall Street" in solidarity > with the brave protesters in New York*. > > *Click here to sign up for Wednesday's Virtual March and we'll send > all the details.* > > > Occupations are springing up all over the country as well. You can see > if there's one near you by clicking here: > > http://www.occupytogether.org/ > > Our movement was born after Madison, Wisconsin, to stand up for middle > and working class families. We've engaged 130,000 people to > crowd-source our own jobs agenda---the Contract for the American > Dream. In August, tens of thousands of us demonstrated for jobs in > rallies across the nation. And *this week in Washington, D.C., we host > our first national gathering: the Take Back The American Dream > conference*. > > The cccupation of Wall Street---and the occupations throughout the > country---are expressions of the same spirit and dynamic. And these > particular demonstrations, perhaps uniquely, contain the spark to grow > into a movement that can be transformative. They are the first, small > step in the creation of a movement that can restore American > democracy, and renew the American Dream. > > Now is our time to choose. Will we keep rewarding those whose > financial manipulations have brought us to ruin? Or will we stand with > those whose democratic innovations are breathing life into our finest > ideals? Both groups are within blocks of each other in downtown Manhattan. > > For the past 30 years, the country has stood behind the titans on Wall > Street and their values. We listened when they said that their banks > were too big too fail. Today, there is only one thing that's too big > to fail: the dreams of this new generation, finding its voice in > Liberty Park. All of America should now stand with them. > > Thank you for being a part of, and believing in, this movement. > > --Van, Natalie, Billy, Jim, Ian, Somer, and the rest of the Rebuild > the Dream team > > P.S. I had a wonderful opportunity to talk about the American Dream > Movement on Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday. You can see a clip > and share it on Facebook here: > http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=271913736162194 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *Subscription Management:* > This is a message from Rebuild the Dream, powered by MoveOn.org Civic > Action. To change your email address or update your contact info, > please visit: > http://moveon.org/subscrip/coa.html?id=31653-17451352-WQn9aox > To remove yourself (Eric Meece) from this list, please visit our > subscription management page at: > http://moveon.org/s?i=31653-17451352-WQn9aox > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 4 00:00:21 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 00:00:21 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Where Have All the Worms Gone? Message-ID: Long time passing. When I was a kid, after every rain the sidewalks would be squirming with worms--big fat bloody ones. I can't remember when I last saw that--20 years ago? 30? What happened to the worms? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wrolley at charter.net Tue Oct 4 09:11:34 2011 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 09:11:34 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Local Environmental Story well told Message-ID: <4E8B3036.4090901@charter.net> I received this in my email yesterday. Kate Woods was a writer for the Hollister based Pinnacle. I became acquainted during the effort to unseat Richard Pombo where she, and her writing, were a valuable ally. She was also a sharp pain to the "in the pockets of the developers" members of the San Benito County Board of Supervisors. The book that Kate is announcing is based, at least in part, on her columns in the Pinnacle. The current new is that the EPA has finally put the New Idria mine on its project list and allocated funding to start the cleanup of the New Idria mercury mine... or at least to plan the cleanup. At the same time, Republicans (note the references to Cheney in the announcement from Kate) are working to block all regulations and to defund the EPA. This is local and important to CA. Background: Kate and her family (especially her brother) had claimed and were working to recover the official California gemstone, Benitoite , from the area. However, they were working in a much more environmentally concerned manner. I pass this on a locally newsworthy. > My Dear Friends, > Please buy my book, Quicksilver Chronicles.As of Oct. 3, 2011, it is > finally available in a paperback edition.It is a semi-true story about > life in New Idria, CA, during the Cheney Administration. > Though I worked long and hard on it, you will find a few errors -- > typos, punctuation omissions and maybe even a syntax flub or two, but > then, I can't hire a professional editor.I am it. (A certain former > community newspaper publisher knows, sadly, what that means).If I > scrap together enough income from selling this book, then I can go > back in and revise it, but at this point it is too expensive to even > order another proof copy.Consider this current first edition a > collectors' item! > It is available at Lulu Books (Lulu.com ) and within > two weeks will also be available at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, some > "brick and mortar" outlets, and many other major book sellers, > *however, /please/* buy it at Lulu.com because I > make more money per book that way... OK? > Here is the > link:http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/quicksilver-chronicles/17283242 > Let me know if you like it.Don't bother telling me how much you > dislike it.Many thanks, you guys. > Much Luv, > Kate (Frances Katherine) Woods > rockturner8 at yahoo.com > P.S.It is also available in ebook download, from Lulu.com, as a PDF > edition.I am still working on the Kindle and Nook editions.To my > generous patient pals who ordered that first e-version I put out a few > months ago... my apologies for the hideous botched formatting.I owe > you.This paperback is much more readable, and I will get it to you as > soon as possible. Hardback version to follow as well. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wrolley at charter.net Tue Oct 4 13:03:00 2011 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:03:00 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Where Have All the Worms Gone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8B6674.1010204@charter.net> On 10/4/2011 12:00 AM, Brian Good wrote: > Long time passing. > > When I was a kid, after every rain the sidewalks would be squirming with > worms--big fat bloody ones. > > I can't remember when I last saw that--20 years ago? 30? What happened > to the worms? Habitat destruction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wrolley at charter.net Tue Oct 4 15:21:05 2011 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:21:05 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Euroopean Greens dissed Nuclear Energy. Message-ID: <4E8B86D1.1080500@charter.net> Latest post at cagreening. *Euroopean Greens dissed Nuclear Energy*. Some may wonder how Germany was able to spin the energy wheel around to toss nuclear off the table. I learned today (just today... shame on me) that it was all the work of those pesky Greens. While waiting for the dentist to get around to extracting one of my molars, I was reading /Clean Energy Nation/ by Jerry McNerney (my Congressman) and Marty Cheek. It was there, I found the following: An analysis report title "Nuclear Power: The Energy Balance" was prepared for the Green parties of the European Parliament by Jan Willem Storm van Leeuwen and Philip Smith for the United Nations Climate Conference in 2000. Since then, they have updated their report several times and they warn that the nuclear-power industry's portrayal of nuclear energy as a solution to climate change might not be quite on the mark. The authors state in their detailed study that "the use of nuclear power causes, at the end of the road and under the most favorable conditions, approximately one--third as much carbon dioxide (CO2) emission as gas fired electricity production." Those pesky Greens playing the game of tell the truth. McNerney and Cheek continue: Then then warn us about the unsustainability of nuclear power. "The rich uranium ores required to achieve this reduction are, however, so limited that if the entire present world electricity demand were to be provided by nuclear power, these ores would be exhausted within nine years. Use of the remaining poorer ores in nuclear reaction would produce more CO2 emissions that burning fossil fuels directly. This is the blunt statement of the truth that we need to be hearing from Green leadership in the US. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Tue Oct 4 20:12:32 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:12:32 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Thursday, Oct. 6, 4-6 PM: Leaflet BoA, 4th & San Fernando, San Jose Message-ID: <4E8BCB20.7060703@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: Just a reminder: We are planning to leaflet the Bank of America branch bank across the intersection from the King library in downtown San Jose this Thursday, Oct. 6, between 4 and 6 PM, as announced on www.cagreens.org/sclara. Merriam said that several people at the "Move to Amend" meeting this noon indicated an intention to join. The Occupy San Jose group is camped one block away at 4th and Santa Clara. Beginning last Sunday, Oct. 2 (and perhaps earlier), they are meeting each weekday at 7 PM and each Sunday at noon. Last Sunday, they had over 125 120 people, who met at Backesto Park at 14th and Empire and marched to Cesar Chavez Park (Wikipedia, "Occupy San Jose"). For more information, see the Facebook entry of Occupy San Jose. If you go there and click to see posts by "Everyone", you can see photos I posted there of their camp site near City Hall and the BofA branch we plan to visit on Thursday. Onward and upward. Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Wed Oct 5 08:53:35 2011 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 08:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Euroopean Greens dissed Nuclear Energy. Message-ID: <20111005155335.2053A6A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us> I still think it's the wrong approach to this issue. Folks who know what's involved with nuke fission power already get that it's unsustainable, releases CO2 in the fuel cycle, etc. etc. There's no need to convince them further. The remaining population isn't interested in CO2 or radiation risks. It conflicts with their belief system in some way, so they just tune it out. Some of these folks can be reached with an economic argument. Nuke fission is an economic scam. It's not remotely cost-competitive against other prime movers, including solar. The true costs must be socialized in some way to make it work at all. Forget "safety," we should be denouncing nuke fission as a Socialist plot to rob the working man. -Cameron >From: Wes Rolley >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; > rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Post South SF Bay discuss >Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Euroopean Greens dissed Nuclear Energy. >X-BeenThere: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 >Precedence: list >List-Id: GP Santa Clara County discussion >List-Unsubscribe: , >Latest post at cagreening. >*Euroopean Greens dissed Nuclear Energy*. >Some may wonder how Germany was able to spin the energy wheel around to >toss nuclear off the table. I learned today (just today... shame on me) >that it was all the work of those pesky Greens. >While waiting for the dentist to get around to extracting one of my >molars, I was reading /Clean Energy Nation/ by Jerry McNerney (my >Congressman) and Marty Cheek. It was there, I found the following: > An analysis report title "Nuclear Power: The Energy Balance" was > prepared for the Green parties of the European Parliament by Jan > Willem Storm van Leeuwen and Philip Smith for the United Nations > Climate Conference in 2000. Since then, they have updated their > report several times and they warn that the nuclear-power industry's > portrayal of nuclear energy as a solution to climate change might > not be quite on the mark. The authors state in their detailed study > that "the use of nuclear power causes, at the end of the road and > under the most favorable conditions, approximately one--third as > much carbon dioxide (CO2) emission as gas fired electricity > production." >Those pesky Greens playing the game of tell the truth. >McNerney and Cheek continue: > Then then warn us about the unsustainability of nuclear power. "The > rich uranium ores required to achieve this reduction are, however, > so limited that if the entire present world electricity demand were > to be provided by nuclear power, these ores would be exhausted > within nine years. Use of the remaining poorer ores in nuclear > reaction would produce more CO2 emissions that burning fossil fuels > directly. >This is the blunt statement of the truth that we need to be hearing from >Green leadership in the US. From wrolley at charter.net Wed Oct 5 20:19:50 2011 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 20:19:50 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] MH Times Column for Friday - Clean Energy Nation Message-ID: <4E8D1E56.50200@charter.net> I submitted the following column for this Friday. It was my intention to use this column to review /Clean Energy Nation/, the recently published book by Congressman Jerry McNerney and local writer Marty Cheek. While I will mostly write about that, I can not help but mention another book: /The Fate of Greenland/ by Philip Conkling ... [et al.]. It provides an essential element that is missing from /Clean Energy Nation/ . I am an active blogger who has paid a lot of attention to the problems of climate change and the relationship to our national energy policy as well as the effect of both on water resources. If you have a similar background, there is little that you will learn from reading /Clean Energy Nation/. Most of the book takes you through things that you already know: fossil fuels are a finite resource that have a limited future; the continued use of fossil fuels is not sustainable for an extended period of time, future supplies of coal, oil and natural gas will be increasingly difficult and expensive to obtain. If you happen to be a confirmed climate change denier, you probably will not be convinced by what anything that McNerney and Cheek have written. As long as there are those like meteorologist Joe Bastardi (late of Accuweather) who are willing to publish nonsense as fact, we will continue to have such problems. Still, thanks to their knowledge and research, there are things that I did learn. Clean Energy Nation is a well documented book with an extensive bibliography and end notes to identify the sources for their statements. For example, relating to the feasibility of replacing current fossil fuel driven electric generation with nuclear, we are given the fact that this is probably less sustainable that continued use of fossil fuels. "The rich uranium ores required to achieve this reduction are, however, so limited that if the entire present world electricity demand were to be provided by nuclear power, these ores would be exhausted within nine years. Use of the remaining poorer ores in nuclear reaction would produce more CO2 emissions than burning fossil fuels directly. " McNerney and Cheek are unique in viewing these problems through the lens of political history. This is appropriate in that the problems we have now are much more political than technological. They managed to cover almost all areas of concern beyond the obvious ones of electricity generation and transportation: public health, agriculture, education, national security. Each is summarized so that it is easy to understand where the impacts come from without slogging through too much detail. What I missed in CEN, but found in /The Fate of Greenland/, is the recognition that there is an aspect of our current situation that should give a sense of urgency, should create a political will for action now, rather than stumbling along hoping for a technological miracle that is not likely to happen. In a book filled with wonderful photography of Greenland now, underscoring the rate at which it is currently changing, the contributors to /Fate of Greenland/ lay out the scientific data which warns us that the climate may change very quickly, at times in less than a decade. Such tipping point events as they chronicle are part of the language of global warming, but not with the astonishing level of facts that are laid out here. This sense of urgency has both an ecological and an economic basis. While most of our attention is give to the ecological, generating a Reganesque rolling of the eyes as they mutter "there they go again" the economic issue is not so obvious. I wish they had clearly stated this one fact: For every year that the world delays addressing climate change, transforming to a clean-energy union of nations, it will cost our economies an additional $500 Billion, That is a burden we are loading on to our grandchildren. In this election cycle, it appears that the denial of climate change, or at least a plan to limit any action to combat it, is a prerequisite for selection as a candidate in the Republican Party. It will take strong political leadership to change America. "... if we are to create a better tomorrow for ourselves and for future generations of American, we need to use effective communication and share an inspiring vision in our quest to become a clean-energy nation." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Wed Oct 5 22:13:26 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:13:26 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Jose Message-ID: <4E8D38F6.2070700@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: The "Occupy San Jose" group has been camping on the sidewalk near San Jose City Hall, 4th and Santa Clara (one block north of the King Library) since Sunday. They are planning general meetings each evening at 7 PM and a noon meeting on Sunday. I attended this evening, made a brief announcement about our plans to leaflet BofA tomorrow at 4th and San Fernando, one block south of their camp site. Their official web site is occupysj.org. They said there is another "Occupy" group that plans to meet in the King library at 6:30 PM tomorrow. After our leafleting, 4-6 tomorrow, some of us may attend the meeting at the King library at 6:30 and then go to the "occupysj.org" meeting a block north at 7 PM. FOUR PUPPET POLITICS BOOKMARK If you have a moment, would you mind reviewing the "Four Puppet Politics Bookmark" at the bottom of the Resources page on our web site (www.cagreens.org/sclara/resources)? This is the latest version of something I've been working on for a couple of years. I plan to distribute some tomorrow, but I won't if I hear any objections. I'd be pleased to have your comments on it. Thanks, Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 6 00:03:44 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:03:44 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [EBSocForum] UPDATE: Please come to Occupy SF immediately! In-Reply-To: <1994381492-1317882850-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1027098136-@b25.c28.bise6.blackberry> References: <1994381492-1317882850-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1027098136-@b25.c28.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4E8D52D0.7030203@earthlink.net> FYI, Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [EBSocForum] UPDATE: Please come to Occupy SF immediately! Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:34:09 +0000 See below email. The only update is we are asking people to come to the encampment immediately!!! The Police are making a move, we need folks to come here RIGHT NOW!!!! 101 Market st, the Federal Reserve Building. Please forward to yor lists! Sent from my BlackBerry? by Boost Mobile -----Original Message----- Subject: HELP NEEDED: Police are mobilizing to remove Occupy SF RIGHT NOW!!! Police are mobilizing RIGHT NOW, to remove the Occupy SF encampment at the Federal Reserve building! If you have contacts with SF mayor and/or board of supervisors please contact them immediately. Contact the media as well!!! If you can, even come to the encampment. WE NEED HELP!!! Please forward this to your lists! Sent from my BlackBerry? by Boost Mobile ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EBSocForum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EBSocForum/join (Yahoo! 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The Police are making a move, we need folks to come here RIGHT NOW!!!! 101 Market st, the Federal Reserve Building. Please forward to yor lists! -----Original Message----- Subject: HELP NEEDED: Police are mobilizing to remove Occupy SF RIGHT NOW!!! Police are mobilizing RIGHT NOW, to remove the Occupy SF encampment at the Federal Reserve building! If you have contacts with SF mayor and/or board of supervisors please contact them immediately. Contact the media as well!!! If you can, even come to the encampment. WE NEED HELP!!! Please forward this to your lists! From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 6 01:29:21 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 01:29:21 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] October 2011 In-Reply-To: <4E8D6673.2030100@earthlink.net> References: <4E8D6673.2030100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E8D66E1.2030306@earthlink.net> The October 2011 action is scheduled to begin today at noon Eastern time, (9AM Pacific Time). http://october2011.org/ Gerry From carolineyacoub at att.net Thu Oct 6 07:44:21 2011 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 07:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? Message-ID: <1317912261.27608.YahooMailRC@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message ---- Sent: Wed, October 5, 2011 3:15:16 PM Subject: Why are people mad now? ? ? SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!!!!? Folks:? Now, since Obama's regime, all of a sudden, folks have gotten mad, and want to take? America ?Back...BACK TO WHAT/WHERE is my question????? After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad? You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President. You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate Energy policy and push us to invade? Iraq . You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed. You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed. You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us. You didn't get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and counting) on said ?war. You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined. You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in? Iraq . You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people. You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country. You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans. You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden. You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits. You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed. You didn't get mad when we let a major? US ?city,? New Orleans , drown. You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks. You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades. You didn't get mad when over 200,000? US ?Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance. You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values. You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that people in? America ?deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick...Oh, Hell No!! ? ps. This one definitely needs to be circulated just for a reminder sake!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:30:34 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:30:34 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? In-Reply-To: <1317912261.27608.YahooMailRC@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1317912261.27608.YahooMailRC@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd add: You didn't get mad when both Popular Mechanics and Popular Science warned about untrustworthy electronic voting machines, and Congress showed no interest in dealing with the threat. You didn't get mad when the 9/11 widows saw 200 of their 300 questions to the 9/11 Commission ignored, and found only 27 of the 300 answered properly. You didn't get mad when the $20 million dollar government report about the destruction of the twin towers cut off its analysis at the moment of collapse initiation, and thus ignored ALL the baffling mysteries of the collapse: its symmetry, totality, and speed; the pulverization of 180,000 tons of concrete floors; the presence of molten steel in the rubble (4 PhDs, a FDNY Captain, and one of the WTC design engineers said so); and the collapse of the lower cores, which had survived the initial collapse of the outer floors. Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 07:44:21 -0700 From: carolineyacoub at att.net To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org CC: lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? ----- Forwarded Message ---- Sent: Wed, October 5, 2011 3:15:16 PM Subject: Why are people mad now? SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!!!! Folks: Now, since Obama's regime, all of a sudden, folks have gotten mad, and want to take America Back...BACK TO WHAT/WHERE is my question????? After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad? You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President. You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate Energy policy and push us to invade Iraq . You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed. You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed. You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us. You didn't get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and counting) on said war. You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined. You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in Iraq . You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people. You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country. You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans. You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden. You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits. You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed. You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans , drown. You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks. You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades. You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance. You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values. You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick...Oh, Hell No!! ps. This one definitely needs to be circulated just for a reminder sake!!!! _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:57:53 2011 From: paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com (Paul Engstrom) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:57:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? In-Reply-To: References: <1317912261.27608.YahooMailRC@web181004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: *t is good to have these reminders but the better list is-- a list of what to do with this hindsight. What lessons from this review and-- What to do this time to use thid : getting mad" to activitivate more people out of their rapathy/defeatism in a concerted momentum of political action instead of negativism and criticism. I hope Greens do not bicker over what should be done.!! Paul Engstrom Registered Green Party several years, previous Peace and Freedom Party * On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Brian Good wrote: > > I'd add: > > You didn't get mad when both Popular Mechanics and Popular Science warned > about > untrustworthy electronic voting machines, and Congress showed no interest > in > dealing with the threat. > > You didn't get mad when the 9/11 widows saw 200 of their 300 questions to > the > 9/11 Commission ignored, and found only 27 of the 300 answered properly. > > You didn't get mad when the $20 million dollar government report about the > destruction of the twin towers cut off its analysis at the moment of > collapse > initiation, and thus ignored ALL the baffling mysteries of the collapse: > its > symmetry, totality, and speed; the pulverization of 180,000 tons of > concrete > floors; the presence of molten steel in the rubble (4 PhDs, a FDNY Captain, > and > one of the WTC design engineers said so); and the collapse of the lower > cores, > which had survived the initial collapse of the outer floors. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 07:44:21 -0700 > From: carolineyacoub at att.net > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > CC: lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > *Sent:* Wed, October 5, 2011 3:15:16 PM > *Subject:* Why are people mad now? > > > > SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!!!! > > Folks: Now, since Obama's regime, all of a sudden, folks have gotten mad, > and want to take America Back...BACK TO WHAT/WHERE is my question????? > > > After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad? > > You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and > appointed a President. > > You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate > Energy policy and push us to invade Iraq . > > You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed. > > You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed. > > You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat > to us. > > You didn't get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and counting) on said > war. > > You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than > the previous 42 Presidents combined. > > You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared > in Iraq . > > You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people. > > You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that > shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country. > > You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans. > > You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden. > > You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget > and current account deficits. > > You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed. > > You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans , drown. > > You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could > spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks. > > You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several > decades. > > You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because > they had no health insurance. > > You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush > Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in > investments, retirement, and home values. > > You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that > people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. > Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, > stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic > disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who > are sick...Oh, Hell No!! > > * * > * > ps. 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URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 6 12:31:34 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:31:34 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy Sesame Street Message-ID: <4E8E0216.6080109@earthlink.net> I think it's pretty funny: http://motherjones.com/mixed-media/2011/10/best-occupysesamestreet Gerry From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:07:31 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:07:31 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] #Occupy is the Most Important Thing Going Message-ID: Sez Naomi Klein http://www.thenation.com/article/163844/occupy-wall-street-most-important-thing-world-now the 1 percent loves a crisis.... [the] 99 percent is taking to the streets from Madison to Madrid to say ?No. We will not pay for your crisis.? You have refused to give the media the images of broken windows and street fights it craves so desperately. And that tremendous discipline has meant that, again and again, the story has been the disgraceful and unprovoked police brutality. In 1999, we were taking on capitalism at the peak of a frenzied economic boom.... It was all about start-ups, not shutdowns.... Ten years later, it seems as if there aren?t any more rich countries. Just a whole lot of rich people. People who got rich looting the public wealth and exhausting natural resources around the world. Unfettered greed has trashed the global economy. And it is trashing the natural world as well.... The new normal is serial disasters: economic and ecological. We act as if there is no end to what is actually finite?fossil fuels and the atmospheric space to absorb their emissions. And we act as if there are strict and immovable limits to what is actually bountiful?the financial resources to build the kind of society we need. The task of our time is to turn this around: to challenge this false scarcity. To insist that we can afford to build a decent, inclusive society?while at the same time, respect the real limits to what the earth can take. ================================================================================ Brian here: On University Avenue in Palo Alto today I saw them tearing down a perfectly good building simply because somebody can make a buck building something new and somebody else can make a buck on the loan package necessary to finance a replacement for a building that had obviously been paid off 50 years ago. The vandals ignore the carbon footprint of their machinery and their concrete and their steel, and they pretend that these vintage structures can not be retrofitted with steel supports to assure their earthquake resistance. When I used to do concrete work I thought the material was environmentally benign--it was long-lasting and no trees were harmed. 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URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu Oct 6 20:54:13 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:54:13 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW: [action_condi] Fwd: [ppjc] OccupyWallStreet Demo Next Week! - Palo Alto - Spread the word In-Reply-To: References: <2481c2e47f84794725a02f0549afe21e.1407765@e2ma.net>, Message-ID: My sign will probably be occupy truth ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Peninsula Peace and Justice Center Date: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:16 PM Subject: [ppjc] OccupyWallStreet Demo Next Week! - Palo Alto - Spread the word To: hudson.adam1 at gmail.com If you're having trouble viewing this email, you may see it online. Share This: Peninsula Peace and Justice Center www.PeaceandJustice.org Picket in Solidarity with OccupyWallStreet Jobs now! End corporate rule! Tax the corporations and wealthy! Troops home now! Cut the Pentagon! Hold Wall Street accountable! Wednesday, October 12 5:00 PM - 7:00 PM Bank of America ($45 Billion in Bailout Money) 2600 El Camino Real (just north of Page Mill Road), Palo Alto Bring signs (some materials provided) and your determination to take the country back from the corporations and Wall Street. Spread the word! Tell your friends! Use the sharing icons above. Initiated by Peninsula Peace and Justice Center www.Peaceandjustice.org || (650) 326-8837 Support community-based activism. Make a tax-deductible donation to PPJC! "Peninsula Peace and Justice Center has been one of the most effective of the activist organizations." Noam Chomsky 625 Hamilton Avenue | Palo Alto, CA 94301 US This email was sent to hudson.adam1 at gmail.com. To ensure that you continue receiving our emails, please add us to your address book or safe list. manage your preferences | opt out using TrueRemove? Got this as a forward? Sign up to receive our future emails. EmailNow powered by Emma -- Adam Hudson http://about.me/hudson.adam "Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are." -- Saint Augustine _______________________________________________ action_condi mailing list action_condi at lists.stanford.edu https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/action_condi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Thu Oct 6 23:41:15 2011 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 23:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? Message-ID: <20111007064115.EE5BC6A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us> Remember in a first-past-the-post "two party system" people don't vote for a candidate, they hold their noses and vote *against* the scary evil candidate. It's what your intuition tells you to do. It's what the Dems tell people to do when there's a progressive running against them. 2008 was a vote against more Bush and we got more Bush. Big bank bailouts and little forclosure relief, and little lending. Mountaintop removal and deep sea and shale oil drilling and pipelining accelerate. New wars against Yemen and Pakistan and Libya. That's why we're madder now than before. -Cameron in San Jose From wrolley at charter.net Fri Oct 7 10:15:03 2011 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 10:15:03 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Occupy Wall St.: Who's protesting, how the media are covering it (John Hanrahan, Nieman Watchdog) In-Reply-To: <1317964975.48325.YahooMailNeo@web120015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1317964975.48325.YahooMailNeo@web120015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E8F3397.4000903@charter.net> I agree with Scott. Good analysis. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Occupy Wall St.: Who's protesting, how the media are covering it (John Hanrahan, Nieman Watchdog) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 22:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McLarty Reply-To: Scott McLarty To: usgp-media at gp-us.org (John Hanrahan, author of the article, is a member of the DC Statehood Green Party. His wife Debby has run for office as a party member. This is one of the best articles I've read on the current protests, with an analysis of the media coverage and of the people involved in antiwar protests during the past 10 years. The possible emergence of a new generation of protesters who aren't loyal to Democrats deserves Green attention. -- Scott) Is protest in America at a turning point? COMMENTARY By John Hanrahan Nieman Watchdog, October 03, 2011 http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=background.view&backgroundid=00580 Tea Party aside, activism slowed almost to a halt after Democrats took the House and Senate and Obama was elected. Now antiwar, anti-corporate, anti-big bank protests have started up in Washington and on Wall Street, and they are spreading elsewhere. Two main questions: Will they grow to be a serious force in America, and how long will the mainstream media give them the silent treatment? Last spring, two midwestern academics unveiled a comprehensive study that impressively documented a serious answer to the question: Where are all the activists who, in the early years of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, turned out in the streets in the tens and even hundreds of thousands to protest? The question takes on added significance in light of what may be a major anti-war, anti-corporate protest and ?occupation? scheduled to begin October 6 in Washington, D.C., on the 10th anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. The academics? answer: In great numbers, many Democratic activists retreated to the sidelines with the election of Barack Obama, whom they perceived at the time as being an antiwar candidate who would not continue the military policies of President George W. Bush. Now, all that may be changing. In the last month, street activism by progressives has shown a dramatic resurgence (a development that, as usual, has not yet been fully grasped by the mainstream press) ? kicked off with two weeks of sit-ins outside the White House that produced 1,252 arrests of opponents of the 1,700-mile Alberta-to-Texas-Gulf of Mexico, environment-threatening Keystone XL tar sands oil pipeline. That was followed by the ongoing demonstrations and anti-corporate ?occupation? by hundreds of mainly young people of a park near Wall Street, in a protest of big bankers? greed and grim job prospects, that began somewhat haphazardly on September 17. Originated with the generic call to ?occupy Wall Street? from a Canadian magazine, Adbusters, in mid-July, the basically leaderless New York protest has now grown and spread to other cities (including Boston and Chicago) and has won the backing of AFL-CIO President Rich Trumka and national unions such as the United Steelworkers of America. In a major development that could give the protests added momentum, several of New York City?s major union locals and community organizations are joining the protests. The Occupy Wall Street protests have resulted in approximately 1,000 arrests since their start, including some 700 during a march on the Brooklyn Bridge on Oct. 1, and have produced charges by activists of brutal police tactics and of unprovoked use of pepper spray during a Sept. 24 march that resulted in mass arrests. To underscore and publicize police behavior, more than 1,000 Wall Street protesters marched on police headquarters in Manhattan on Sept. 30. This upsurge in street activism, combined with the feedback from their own organizing efforts, has increased organizers? turnout expectations for the October 6th protests in Washington. Their organizing efforts thus far have won endorsements from some 150 organizations ? large and small, secular and religious, antiwar and veterans? groups, progressive publications and blogs, advocates for single-payer health insurance and numerous other domestic causes ? from across the country. The action also has the endorsement of numerous prominent individuals, as well as on-line pledges to participate from several thousand people. One important question as the October 6th actions begin: Will this upsurge in activism on environmental and economic issues such as jobs and Wall Street/corporate greed translate into vigorous street protests in D.C. against the decade-long war in Afghanistan/Pakistan? Are some of those Democrats who were previously antiwar activists, when President George W. Bush was calling the military shots, now ready to come off the sidelines? And will the mainstream news media ? virtually invisible at the tar sands pipeline protests, and either absent or condescending in the early days of the Wall Street protests ? be there? Until the academics? study, the common wisdom had been that the absence of a military draft, along with other factors such as increased police intimidation and militarization, constitute important reasons for diminished protest numbers. While the presence of a draft to fight unpopular wars arguably would add to the number of protesters, the academic study by the two midwestern professors concludes that the reason the once-large antiwar movement of the early 2000s diminished in numbers later in the decade had nothing to do with the draft, which was eliminated three decades earlier. Rather, much of the steam was taken out of the antiwar movement after the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress in 2006 and sank even further with Obama?s campaign and election in 2008. ?While the election of Barack Obama had been heralded as a victory for the antiwar movement, Obama?s election, in fact, thwarted the ability of the movement to achieve critical mass,? wrote professors Michael T. Heaney, assistant professor of organizational studies and political science at the University of Michigan, and Fabio Rojas, associate professor of sociology at Indiana University, Bloomington. Their study found that a substantial number of self-identified Democrats, who formed the largest bloc of the antiwar activists in the early years of the two wars, ?withdrew from antiwar protests when the Democratic Party achieved electoral success, if not policy success, in ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.? Heaney and Rojas based their findings on their surveys of 5,398 demonstrators, as well as interviews with movement leaders, at antiwar protests between January 2007 and December 2009. Medea Benjamin, cofounder of Global Exchange and the antiwar organization Codepink: Women for Peace, characterized Democrats? defection from the antiwar movement this way in an article she co-authored earlier this summer with writer/broadcaster Charles Davis: ?Instead of continuing the hard work of organizing and protesting unjust wars, too many people took the election of politicians with ?D?s? after their name as their own Mission Accomplished. Instead of continuing direct action, too many were content voting for ?their? team and calling it a day, never mind the [war] policies those they voted into office continued? with Obama in the presidency. Or, as prominent civil liberties attorney Bill Quigley put it to Nieman Watchdog: ?They confuse working for justice with working for the Democratic party.? Heaney told Nieman Watchdog earlier this summer that, based on their data, ?we predict that the antiwar movement will remain in abeyance as long as a Democrat is president. There may be small antiwar protests, but nothing will rival the scale of Bush-era protests circa 2003-2005.? This, despite the fact that polls consistently show that a sizable majority of Americans want United States troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq quickly. While acknowledging the study?s conclusion about Democratic defections from the antiwar movement with Obama?s election, organizers of the October 6th actions told Nieman Watchdog that the tar sands pipeline and Wall Street protests indicate that the reluctance of many of Obama?s 2008 supporters to take to the streets to protest the president?s policies has begun to wear off with some of his core constituencies: environmentalists in the case of the pipeline protests (who are already upset with Obama for recently bowing to pressure from industry and congressional Republicans and shelving clean-air standards for smog); and, in the case of the Wall Street protests, young people under age 30. Some of the young activists in New York self-described themselves to reporters and bloggers as facing a bleak employment future while Wall Street and corporate America are thriving under Obama?s watch. Many of the pipeline arrestees (people of all ages, but mostly middle-aged and older) wore ?Obama 2008? buttons as they called on the president to veto the pipeline project, something he alone ? and not Congress ? has the power to do, and challenged him with chants of, ?Which side are you on, Obama ? Which side are you on?? The October 6th events will be based in D.C.?s Freedom Plaza, two blocks from the White House on Pennsylvania Avenue, in the form of what organizers say will be an ongoing Tahrir Square-like ?occupation? that will feature speeches, discussions, music, marches, and acts of nonviolent civil disobedience, with many protesters planning to camp out in Freedom Plaza indefinitely, just as some Wall Street demonstrators are currently doing in Zuccotti Park (formerly Liberty Plaza). Organizers said that the key issues of the October 6th protests are directly in the political mainstream as polls indicate they are favored by ?super-majorities of Americans.? These include: taxing the rich and corporations; ending the wars, bringing the troops home, cutting military spending; protecting the social safety net, strengthening Social Security and establishing an improved Medicare for all; ending corporate welfare for oil companies and other big business interests; transitioning to a clean energy economy, reversing environmental degradation; protecting worker rights including collective bargaining, creating jobs and raising wages; and getting money out of politics. Organizers said the event is occurring ?at a pivotal time ? the beginning of the 11th year of war in Afghanistan and a new federal fiscal year that promises austerity of everything except weapons and war.? One of the organizers of the October 6th actions, Kevin Zeese, told Nieman Watchdog: ?We don't know if the tipping point has been reached, whether the Tahrir Square moment has arrived, but it is approaching quickly.? Regardless of how long the D.C. actions continue, Zeese said, ?We want to leave Freedom Plaza with people trained in civil resistance and non-cooperation? to ?allow people to stop cooperating with the current economy that funnels wealth to the top one percent while everyone else gets poorer.? He said organizers were aware ?that one protest will not be sufficient and we are planning for a long-sustained effort? that people can continue in D.C. and in their own communities. Regarding the Heaney/Rojas study, Zeese commented: ?There is no question that if John McCain were doing the same things President Obama is doing that we would be seeing mass protest. And, if President Romney replaces Obama and continues the same policies the protests will escalate rapidly. Partisanship does make it hard for people to see ? and even when they do, to act. That being said, more and more have seen the reality about Obama ? his domestic policies are Wall Street- and market-based, his foreign policy is militarism. And, more and more are fed up and taking action.? Zeese, an attorney and head of an antiwar organization Come Home America and an economic justice group, ItsOurEconomy.us, further noted: ?If you watch the YouTube videos, tweets and Facebook entries of the occupation of Wall Street and the tar sands protest it is not uncommon for people who voted for Obama to speak disparagingly of him now. He has lost the support of many who he thought he could take for granted because they had nowhere else to go.? Those Democrats who withdrew from antiwar actions, Heaney and Rojas wrote, ?had been motivated to participate [in the movement] by anti-Republican sentiments? and were encouraged by the election of a Democratic-controlled Congress in 2006 and by the campaign and election of Barack Obama as President. Obama?s early speech against the Iraq war when he was an Illinois state legislator had given hope to his antiwar supporters that he would govern as an antiwar president. Somewhat surprisingly, as Obama proved not to be an antiwar president, his stepped-up war plans in Afghanistan in his first two years in office did not send a lot of Democrats back into the antiwar movement, the authors wrote. ?Indeed, the election of Obama appeared to be a demobilizing force on the antiwar movement, even in the face of his pro-war decisions,? Heaney and Rojas wrote. Even as Obama kept the war in Iraq going and escalated the war in Afghanistan, instead of causing anger among Obama supporters and reinvigorating the antiwar movement, ?attendance at antiwar rallies declined precipitously and financial resources available to the movement dissipated.? This led to the collapse of United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ), ?the movement?s largest and broadest coalition? which had been one of two large-scale groups to organize almost all of the major demonstrations throughout the previous decade. Organizations supporting the October 6th protests include Progressive Democrats of America, the Green Party U.S., Black Agenda Report, Tikkun, Sojourners, ANSWER (which has organized several major antiwar demonstrations over the last decade), CodePink, Veterans for Peace, United for Peace and Justice, Roots Action, the War Resisters League, Voices for Creative Nonviolence, Fellowship of Reconciliation, firedoglake, Healthcare-Now, Single Payer Action, Just Foreign Policy, Occupy Wall Street, War Is a Crime, Witness Against Torture, World Can?t Wait and various religious organizations and clergy activists. Prominent individual endorsers include Ann Wright (retired colonel, State Department diplomat and activist), Baldemar Velasquez (co-founder Farm Labor Organizing Committee, AFL-CIO, and MacArthur Fellow), Chris Hedges (former New York Times war correspondent and Pulitzer Prize winner), Cornel West (author and professor of African American studies and religion, Princeton University), Coleen Rowley (former FBI agent and whistleblower and a Time magazine co-person-of-the-year in 2002), former U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Georgia), Rabbi Michael Lerner (head editor of Tikkun Magazine), Ray McGovern (former CIA analyst and presidential briefer), Sibel Edmonds (former FBI language specialist and whistleblower, founder National Security Whistleblowers Coalition), Ted Rall (political cartoonist, past winner of the Robert F. Kennedy Journalism Award), and Rocky Anderson (former mayor of Salt Lake City). Before it fades completely from our consciousness, we should remind ourselves that in mid-February 2003 ? without any threat of a military draft or any other sacrifice required of non-military people on the home front ? hundreds of thousands of people in some 150 or more U.S. communities turned out to protest the impending invasion of Iraq: an estimated 400,000 or more in New York City, up to 200,000 in San Francisco, some 60,000 in Los Angeles, 30,000 or more in Seattle, 10,000 in Chicago, 4,000 in Colorado Springs, and so on. Worldwide that weekend, an estimated 6 million to 10 million people turned out for street demonstrations against the subsequent ?shock and awe? invasion in the most massive outpouring of antiwar sentiment in world history. Even in the lead-up to the invasion of Afghanistan ? a tense period when the nation was recoiling from the attacks of September 11, 2001 and pro-war sentiment was at its highest ? as many as 20,000 people turned out for an antiwar demonstration in Washington, D.C., just 18 days after the attacks. Up to 10,000 more rallied in San Francisco, 3,000-5,000 in New York City, and some 2,500 in Los Angeles. A week later, 10,000-12,000 people marched from Union Square to Times Square in Manhattan in opposition to the Bush administration?s Afghanistan invasion plans and newly-coined ?global war on terror.? In April 2002, an estimated 75,000 people rallied in New York, as speakers included family members of the victims of the 9-11 attacks. Heaney and Rojas noted that ?large-scale mobilizations? continued in 2003, 2004 and 2005, but then began to taper off in numbers as Democrats began to experience electoral success. Despite the Democratic defections indicated in the Heaney/Rojas study, even two months into the Obama administration on the sixth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, antiwar protesters were still able to put together a march on the Pentagon that drew 10,000 people. Smaller rallies of up to 4,000 people were held in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, San Diego, Minneapolis-St. Paul and other cities that weekend. Even as street protests became smaller in numbers with the Democrats? 2006 electoral successes, the professors found that in 2007-2008 self-identified Democrats still constituted as high as 54 percent of antiwar protesters at demonstrations they analyzed. In January 2009, the number of self-identified Democrats declined to a still fairly high 37 percent, but this number dropped preciptously to 22 percent in December 2009 as Obama neared the end of his first year in office. Meanwhile, activists identifying themselves as members of third parties (such as the Green Party and Libertarian Party) ?became proportionately more prevalent in the movement,? increasing from 16 percent in January 2009 to a high of 34 percent in November 2009. Because Democrats are more numerous in the general population than are members of third parties, the continuing ?withdrawal of Democrats from the movement in 2009 appears to be a significant explanation for the falling size of antiwar protests.? And press coverage of the Oct. 6 rallies will be...? What kind of coverage of the October 6th anti-war, anti-corporate actions in Washington, D.C., can be expected from the mainstream news media? Given the almost nonexistent coverage of the Keystone XL tar sands oil pipeline protests at the White House in August and September, and the initial (non)coverage in September of the ongoing Wall Street protests, the prospects aren?t promising. Organizers have alerted major news media to the October 6th protest, but told Nieman Watchdog they will be relying primarily on alternative media to carry accounts of the various activities. The Washington Post, during two weeks of tar sands protests and 1,252 civil disobedience arrests just a few blocks from its newsroom, had the following coverage: First off, a promising start, with an op-ed piece four days before the protests began from prominent environmentalist and author Bill McKibben, one of the organizers for the protests. That was followed by a first-day, 150-word arrest story ? and then, nothing ? until a last-day-of-protest op-ed piece by a writer for the conservative National Review. The latter piece mocked the participation and arrest of actress Daryl Hannah during the protests as ?too 1970s-ish? and ignored the serious issues raised by the impressive nonviolent actions. The on-line version had a different headline ? ?When Celebs Like Daryl Hannah Get Arrested for a Good Cause, It?s Bad P.R.? ? than the more derisive regular paper version, which was: ?Daryl Hannah Busted? Shrug.? Hannah?s arrest was only one of 1,252, mind you, and hardly symbolic of why thousands of people have turned out for pipeline protests in both the United States and Canada over the past month. The pipeline issue was trivialized further with Hannah?s arrest being covered only in the Post blog reserved for celebrity news, ?Celebritology? ? as if the protests were, you know, all about Hollywood stars ? while all of the other arrests after the first day were covered not at all. That ?Shrug? headline beautifully sums up the Post?s ?who-cares? attitude toward progressive protesters up to this point. So, in two weeks of protests with scores of arrests each day, the Washington Post ? as it regularly does with protests from the progressive side of the spectrum ? could find space for only 150 words of news, hardly more than a Tweet, for the biggest environmental action in years. And those 150 words, written by a police reporter who apparently wasn?t even at the protest, led with the 65 arrests that day but did not mention the name of the pipeline, or the fact that, specifically, it was a tar sands oil pipeline ? which carries additional environmental risks with implications for global warming. The article, in fact, did not address any of the environmental issues of concern to the protesters. When there was coverage by major news media of the Wall Street protest in its early days, the tone was usually condescending, typically portraying the action as some sort of lark in the park by a bunch of confused, layabout kids and aging hippies, as in this column by Ginia Bellafante of The New York Times with the headline, ?Gunning for Wall Street with Faulty Aim.? The ever-more-timid National Public Radio, as of the ninth day of the Wall Street protests, had provided no coverage at all, with executive editor for news Dick Meyertelling the NPR ombudsman Edward Schumacher-Matos that the events were not newsworthy because they ?did not involve large numbers of people, prominent people, a great disruption or an especially clear objective.? (Wrong on every count, as actual news and blog accounts have demonstrated, including mass arrests on the eighth day of the protests amid charges of excessive police use of force, including pepper spray.) In the early days of the protest, it took David Graeber, of London?s Guardian newspaper, to talk seriously to the protesters and actually tell Americans just what those crazy kids ? with their chants of ?the banks got bailed out, we got sold out? and calling themselves ?the 99 percent? in contrast to the 1 percent who control the largest share of the nation?s wealth ? were all about. Wrote Graeber: ?We are watching the beginnings of the defiant self-assertion of a new generation of Americans, a generation who are looking forward to finishing their education with no jobs, no future, but still saddled with enormous and unforgivable debt. Most, I found, were of working-class or otherwise modest backgrounds, kids who did exactly what they were told they should: studied, got into college, and are now not just being punished for it, but humiliated ? faced with a life of being treated as deadbeats, moral reprobates. Is it really surprising they would like to have a word with the financial magnates who stole their future?? Now, with 700 more arrests of protesters on October 1 on the Brooklyn Bridge, and with New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof declaring the protests are achieving traction and have the spirit of Tahrir Square about them (although he, too, makes the obligatory condescending remarks about the protesters), it will be hard even for NPR to ignore the Wall Street protests. There has been an outpouring of well-informed criticism of the mainstream news media?s initial coverage and non-coverage of the Wall Street protests. Some broadcasters and print journalists, mostly commentators and columnists, early on viewed the Wall Street protests as significant. These include Lawrence O?Donnell of MSNBC (for his devastating critique of police behavior, including the use of pepper spray, at the September 24 Wall Street march), Keith Olbermann (of Current TV), Alyona Minkovski of RT television?s ?The Alyona Show, RT?s ?The Thom Hartmann Show,? Amy Goodman of Pacifica?s ?Democracy Now,? Tom Ashbrook of National Public Radio?s ?On Point,? as well as David Graeber of The Guardian, and Will Bunch, senior writer for the Philadelphia Daily News. Numerous bloggers, including Glenn Greenwald, Kevin Gosztola, and Lisa Romero presented observations that should be read by any serious journalist as to what constitutes real news, and for explanations of why progressive actions get ignored or pooh-poohed by major news outlets. As the Wall Street action concluded its second week, mainstream media coverage has picked up considerably. The New York Times has begun to redeem its earlier fatuous coverage with some solid, straightforward articles on the protests and the police response, such as this one describing arrests of 400 ? later increased to some 700 ? protesters on the Brooklyn Bridge on October 1. As Nieman Watchdog has shown in articles here, here, and here this summer, there have been numerous smaller but nonetheless significant antiwar actions in the last few years that have been almost universally ignored by the mainstream news media, thereby adding to the impression that there is no real visible opposition to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (to say nothing of Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, etc.). The Post?s local editor, Vernon Loeb, even told us that two of the antiwar protests we cited to him should have been covered by the Post, but weren?t. And then the Post proceeded to all but ignore the tar sands pipeline protests. As we demonstrated in those earlier articles, while protests have diminished in size from the earlier years of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, the antiwar movement has kept busy with smaller (often dramatic) acts of civil disobedience, vigils, teach-ins, and lobbying efforts. One such action was a successful campaign last summer by Peace Action, Code Pink and others to get the National Council of Mayors to pass a well-publicized resolution calling for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan and to ?bring the war dollars home.? Additionally, Peace Action has ? in its own words ? been ?filling Town Halls across the country to bring a simple message: Move the money from wars and weapons back to our communities.? In Maryland, a coalition of 60 community organizations formed by Peace Action Montgomery ? has hosted town halls throughout the state in recent weeks. On Sept. 20, Peace Action noted, the coalition hosted a town hall meeting in Silver Spring that drew more than 400 attendees, and followed this with another well-attended town hall in Baltimore. Earlier in September, North Carolina Peace Action held a similar town hall meeting in Durham. Such events are occurring with considerable frequency across the country, yet seem to be unknown to the national news media. Well before the tar sands pipeline and Wall Street protests, Kevin Zeese, one of the October 6th organizers, told Nieman Watchdog there were growing indications that the political climate was gradually shifting, and that progressives were becoming more vocal on a variety of national, state and local issues. Zeese pointed to scores of local protests around the country ? that were, with few exceptions, ignored by the national press ? on ?a wide range of issues from tuition increases and school closings to mountain top removal and the mistreatment of Bradley Manning (accused of leaking documents to Wikileaks),? to say nothing of the huge continuous demonstrations in Madison, Wisconsin, in the wake of Governor Scott Walker?s anti-public employee measures. (Zeese, in fact, compiled an eye-poppingpartial report, with video links, of such significant protests ? not even including major labor protests in Wisconsin and elsewhere ? most of which received nothing more than local press coverage, if that. The events in Zeese?s partial compilation were all happening at a time when, to read the national press, you would sense that all Americans on the left were lethargic and that only the Tea Party on the right was an active force in citizen action.) In writing for the last few months about the mainstream media?s disdain for progressive activism, this reporter is still at a loss to explain why that attitude persists. Sam Smith, editor of the on-line Progressive Review?s ?Undernews,? suggests that protesters should be heartened by any media criticism they get, since as was shown during the era of the civil rights and Vietnam war protests, ?when they?re telling you that you?re rebelling against them in the wrong way, you?re winning.? Smith compared establishment journalists telling protesters how to properly conduct a demonstration as ?a little like a drunk in a bar instructing someone on how to give up alcohol.? Will Bunch, senior writer for the Philadelphia Daily News who covered the Wall Street protests early on, gave as good an explanation as we?re likely to get during a recent appearance on Keith Olbermann?s ?Countdown? program on Current TV. Commenting on the early non-coverage or condescending coverage of the Wall Street protests, Bunch said: ?A lot of people in newsrooms still are not in touch with the real pain and the real suffering of 25 million who are unemployed and underemployed.? Paraphrasing PressThink weblog editor Jay Rosen, Bunch said: ?It?s kind of un-cool for a journalist to take these people who want to change the world seriously.? Olbermann chimed in that if the more than 1,000 people on the first day of the Wall Street protests had been Tea Party-ers protesting Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke?s monetary stimulus policies, it would have been ?the lead story on every network.? Rosen, who also teaches journalism at New York University, coined the term ?the church of the savvy? for Washington journalists who regard savviness ? rather than being right or wrong ? as ?the prime virtue.? As Rosen has observed: ?The savvy don?t say: I have a better argument than you...They say: I am closer to reality than you. And more mature.? To the savvy, ?the center is the holy place: political grace resides there. The profane is the ideological extremes. The adults converse in the pragmatic middle ground where insiders cut their deals. On the wings are the playgrounds for children.? The savvy position themselves as ?practical, hardheaded, unsentimental, and shrewd where others are didactic, ideological, and dreamy...? Many journalists, it seems, pay lip service to the First Amendment, but turn their backs or grow disdainful when people actually exercise these rights in the streets. In such a climate, idealistic activists such as those at the tar sands pipeline and Wall Street protests, obviously, can be safely ignored by the major news media or condescended to as not being rooted in the practical, real world. Real grown-ups don?t need to protest. 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Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., in endorsing the burgeoning national challenge to corporate greed and corrupt politics." "Not surprisingly, it was Sanders who offered the most full-throated support of the movement. At the Campaign for America?s Future ?Take Back America? conference, he declared: ?We have the ?crooks? on Wall Street, and I use that word advisedly ? don?t misquote me, the word is ?crooks? ? whose greed, whose recklessness, whose illegal behavior caused this terrible recession with so much suffering. We believe in this country; we love this country; and we will be damned if we?re going to see a handful of robber barons control the future of this country.?" and more at http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/07-5 Gerry From eric at philosopherswheel.com Fri Oct 7 13:31:46 2011 From: eric at philosopherswheel.com (Eric A. Meece) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 13:31:46 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? In-Reply-To: <20111007064115.EE5BC6A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us> References: <20111007064115.EE5BC6A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us> Message-ID: <1A03A33547D04482BA68335F45751446@eameecePC> I wonder if Greens will support the OWS movement, or even if we can, since it's suppoed to be non-partisan. Eric the Green ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron L. Spitzer" To: Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? > > Remember in a first-past-the-post "two party system" people > don't vote for a candidate, they hold their noses and > vote *against* the scary evil candidate. > It's what your intuition tells you to do. > It's what the Dems tell people to do when there's > a progressive running against them. > > 2008 was a vote against more Bush and we got more Bush. > Big bank bailouts and little forclosure relief, and little lending. > Mountaintop removal and deep sea and shale oil drilling and > pipelining accelerate. New wars against Yemen and Pakistan and Libya. > That's why we're madder now than before. > > -Cameron in San Jose > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 7 14:47:49 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:47:49 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? In-Reply-To: <1A03A33547D04482BA68335F45751446@eameecePC> References: <20111007064115.EE5BC6A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us> <1A03A33547D04482BA68335F45751446@eameecePC> Message-ID: <4E8F7385.60002@prodsyse.com> The Occupy San Jose group discussed that issue one evening this week after I was there passing out "No Credit Card Debt" fliers and inviting them to join our leafleting of Bank of America on Thursday 4-6 PM: They basically agreed that they would accept support from any individual or group but would not endorse any. The group on Wall Street has doubtless had similar discussions, but I don't know that they decided. Spencer On 10/7/2011 1:31 PM, Eric A. Meece wrote: > I wonder if Greens will support the OWS movement, or even if we can, > since it's suppoed to be non-partisan. > Eric the Green > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron L. Spitzer" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why are people mad now? > > >> >> Remember in a first-past-the-post "two party system" people >> don't vote for a candidate, they hold their noses and >> vote *against* the scary evil candidate. >> It's what your intuition tells you to do. >> It's what the Dems tell people to do when there's >> a progressive running against them. >> >> 2008 was a vote against more Bush and we got more Bush. >> Big bank bailouts and little forclosure relief, and little lending. >> Mountaintop removal and deep sea and shale oil drilling and >> pipelining accelerate. New wars against Yemen and Pakistan and Libya. >> That's why we're madder now than before. >> >> -Cameron in San Jose >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 7 17:41:47 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 17:41:47 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Protect the 99% In-Reply-To: <33355707.1318022945489.JavaMail.www@app329> References: <33355707.1318022945489.JavaMail.www@app329> Message-ID: <4E8F9C4B.6060501@earthlink.net> I don't agree with everything said in here. I am forwarding this because of what it says about banks and what banks are doing and likely to do. So, FYI ... Gerry -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Ben Betz, People For the American Way" Subject: Protect the 99% Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 16:23:42 -0500 (CDT) Size: 17433 URL: From vdf at juno.com Fri Oct 7 19:37:58 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 02:37:58 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Signature gathering training sessions for the SAFE California Act Message-ID: <20111007.193758.23631.3@webmail53.vgs.untd.com> Hi everyone, Later this month the ACLU is having signature gathering training sessions for the SAFE California Act to place an initiative on the November 2012 ballot to replace the death penalty with life in prison without the possibility of parole. You can sign up for a training session at http://www.aclunc.org/issues/criminal_justice/death_penalty/signature_gathering_volunteer_trainings.shtml Valerie ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e8fb7b541beb89ecbest05vuc From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 7 20:09:09 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:09:09 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Stopping the Insanity" In-Reply-To: <4E8FBE9C.1070008@earthlink.net> References: <4E8FBE9C.1070008@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E8FBED5.3060803@earthlink.net> I think this is well worth reading. "Stopping the Insanity" "Now comes a new study from Switzerland's University of St. Gallen showing that the most successful of the global financial elite probably pose more of a menace to society than known psychopaths." "As the website Newser reported, the researchers "pitted a group of stockbrokers against a group of actual psychopaths in various computer simulations and intelligence tests and found that the money men were significantly more reckless, competitive, and manipulative." Even more striking, the researchers note that achieving overall success was less important to the stock speculators than the sadistic drive "to damage their opponents."" http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/07-6 Gerry From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 7 22:12:28 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 22:12:28 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Holiday Peace Fair Message-ID: <4E8FDBBC.1050803@sbcglobal.net> The date and location are now set for the Holiday Peace Fair. Saturday, December 3 10 AM - 4 PM Willow Glen United Methodist Church 1420 Newport Avenue (corner of Minnesota) San Jose CA Parking is restricted on parts of Minnesota -- pay attention to the signs. From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 7 23:06:49 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:06:49 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Eviction notice to Occupy San Jose Message-ID: <4E8FE879.3030402@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: The Occupy San Jose group (http://occupysj.org ) has received an eviction notice effective today, Oct. 7. They are asking people to call and protest. Their web site gives contact information copied below. The evictions had not begun when I was there around 7:45 PM but could already have taken place or be in progress. Thanks, Spencer CONGRESSIONAL REP MIKE HONDA District Office Phone: (408) 558-8085 For Gilroy Residents (888) 643-4715 Washington, DC Phone: (202) 225-2631 CONGRESSIONAL REP ZEO LOFGREN District Office Telephone (408) 271-8700 Washington, D.C. Office Telephone (202) 225-3072 San Jose Chief of Police - (408)277-4212 CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE Debra Figone, City Manager (408) 535-8111 Ed Shikada, Assistant City Manager (408) 535-8190 Norberto Due?as, Deputy City Manager (408) 535-8180 Deanna Santana, Deputy City Manager (408) 535-8280 Tom Manheim, Director of Communications (408) 535-8170 Mayor Chuck Reed 408-535-4800 Calendarmayoremail at sanjoseca.gov Pete Constant District 1 408-535-4901 CalendarDistrict1 at sanjoseca.gov Ash Kalra District 2 408-535-4902 CalendarDistrict2 at sanjoseca.gov Sam Liccardo District 3 408-535-4903 CalendarDistrict3 at sanjoseca.gov Kansen Chu District 4 408-535-4904 CalendarDistrict4 at sanjoseca.gov Xavier Campos District 5 408-535-4905 CalendarDistrict5 at sanjoseca.gov Pierluigi Oliverio District 6 408-535-4906 Calendarpierluigi.oliverio at sanjoseca.gov Vice Mayor Madison NguyenDistrict 7 408-535-4907CalendarDistrict7 at sanjoseca.gov Rose Herrera District 8 408-535-4908 Calendarrose.herrera at sanjoseca.gov Donald Rocha District 9 408-535-4909 CalendarDistrict9 at sanjoseca.gov Nancy Pyle District 10 408-535-4910 CalendarDistrict10 at sanjoseca.gov -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. 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Such incidents happen all the time, when police, FBI, or an outside group want to discredit a demonstration. The amazing part is that the smug American Spectator editor is so proud of his infiltration that his big mouth vindicates the protesters. -- Scott) American Spectator Editor Admits to Being Agent Provocateur at D.C. Museum By: Charlie Grapski FireDogLake, October 9, 2011 http://my.firedoglake.com/cgrapski/2011/10/09/american-standard-editor-admits-to-being-agent-provacateur-at-d-c-museum/ The following photograph taken by opednews.com shows a confrontation in the lobby of the National Air and Space Museum between two individuals and an officer shortly before video shows officers with the Museum?s security forces rush outside indiscriminately pepper-spraying numerous individuals. [See the web page for the photo] It appears that one of the two in the confrontation with the security officer is Patrick Howley, Assistant Editor of The American Spectator. [See the following photograph in which Howley's Facebook Profile Photo is side-by-side with the person pictured at the Air and Space Museum] [See the web page for the photo] Immediately after the incident began hitting the newswires Howley published a ?Breaking News? story with The American Spectator online (http://spectator.org/archives/2011/10/08/standoff-in-dc) in which he reveals that he had consciously infiltrated the group on Friday with the intent to discredit the movement. He states that ?as far as anyone knew I was part of this cause ? a cause that I had infiltrated the day before in order to mock and undermine in the pages ofThe American Spectator ? and I wasn?t giving up before I had my story.? According to Howley?s story he joined the group in its march toward the Air and Space Museum but the protesters on the march were unwilling to be confrontational. He states ?they lack the nerve to confront authority. From estimates within the protest, only ten people were pepper-sprayed, and as far as I could tell I was the only one who got inside.? He claims that upon arrival at the Museum the group of approximately one hundred protesters split into two factions with the smaller of the two ?rushing the doors,? the majority ?staying behind.? Howley then admits in his piece that he snuck past the guard at the first entrance in order to ?infiltrate? the building and then confronted another guard. He then ?sprinted toward the door? at which time he was first hit with pepper-spray. As he describes his next actions ?I forced myself into the doors and sprinted blindly across the floor of the Air and Space Museum, drawing the attention of hundreds of stunned khaki-clad tourists (some of whom began snapping off disposable-camera portraits of me).? Fully inside, despite the orders of the security guards that the Museum was closed to the public, Howley made his way upstairs ? to the location where a banner was unfurled protesting the Museum?s exhibit of unmanned drone weapons. ?I strained to glance behind me at the dozens of protesters I was sure were backing me up, and then I got hit again, this time with a cold realization: I was the only one who had made it through the doors. As two guards pointed at me and started running, I dodged a circle of gawking old housewives and bolted upstairs.? He then found himself ?stumbling around aircraft displays with just enough vision to keep tabs on my uniformed pursuers. ?The museum is now closed!? screamed one of the guards as alarms sounded. ?Everyone make your way to the exits immediately!? Using my jacket to cover my face ? which I could feel swelling to Elephant Man proportions ? I ducked through the confused tourists and raced out the exit. ?Hey, you!? shouted a female guard reaching for my arm. ?Get back here!? But I was already down the steps and out of sight.? Howley refers to the Museum as ?the scene of my crime.? In light of his detailed description of his activities today the fact that they clearly document the commission of the crime of trespassing on federal property, if not the intent to incite a riot there, these admissions should not be taken lightly or ignored. As a result of Howley?s activities a large number of people were subjected to pepper-spray attacks including journalists and tourists who had nothing to do with the protest. Given the negative light that the press is attempting to spin this incident with regard to the ongoing occupations, from Wall Street and D.C. and now spreading to Main Streets across the country, the presence and admitted activities of this self-proclaimed agent provacateur should be brought to the attention of federal law enforcement officials. It is highly likely that the events that occurred would not have taken the turn they did if it were not for Howley?s admitted adventure in an effort to discredit the Occupy movement. So before the public, the media, and officials turn their attention negatively towards the protests and the protesters there needs to be a critical eye turned on the role of the American Spectator and the role played in these events by its editorial staff. If arrests were made at this incident, and even if none were, the admissions of Howley published brazenly in the pages of his Conservative magazine and bragged about on his Facebook page should lead to an official investigation into his role and that of his employer in the events in Washington D.C. today and should be seen as at least part of the causal nexus that led to the inappropriate use of force that along with Howley negatively affected many who were innocent of any crime other than being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Ironically Howley concludes the story of his adventure mocking the lack of courage of the protesters, who he admitted did not seek ? as he did ? to confront the authorities, by praising the courage of the guards who twice pepper-sprayed him. ?As I scrambled away from the scene of my crime, a police officer outside the museum gates pointed at my eyes, puffed out of his chest, and shouted: ?Yeah, that?s right. That?s right.? He was proud that I had been pepper-sprayed, and, oddly, so was I. I deserved to get a face full of high-grade pepper, and the guards who sprayed me acted with more courage than I saw from any of the protesters. If you?re looking for something to commend these days in America, start with those guards.? The admissions of Patrick Howley, published in The American Spectator for all to see, require those across the country, both the public and its officials, to take a closer and more critical look at today?s event?s in the Nation?s capital. Who was really to blame for the chaos and disruption of a Federal Museum? Who should be held responsible for those who were harmed in the melee that took place after Howley admits he defied the orders of the legal authorities and stormed into the building? And how should the story of today?s events unfold in the Nation?s media over the next several days? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sun Oct 9 18:35:22 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 18:35:22 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Jose Update Message-ID: <4E924BDA.5070204@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: I arrived at the Occupy San Jose site at City Hall, 4th and Santa Clara for a 10 AM meeting of the Communications Committee. With some effort, a group of roughly a dozen people got consensus on a "working version" of a statement of why they were there. The statement appears now under "Who we are at "http://occupysj.org ". I plan to produce bookmarks of that text. The Research committee was scheduled to meet at 11 AM. The meeting was attended by Gerry Gras, Doug Jones, and others whose names I did not properly record. At the General Assembly (GA) schedule to begin at noon, I summarized the minutes of that meeting by saying that we were proposing to produce a bookmark with the Occupy San Jose Statement produced by the Communications Committee and approved by the GA, and we would ask people to distribute them AND ask anyone who seemed interested in talking about their concerns (about the current political and economic problems facing the US and the world today) -- then listen respectfully, taking careful notes on what people say. Or invite people to write their own summaries of their concerns. The concerns would go onto Post-Its / sticky notes or 3 x 5 cards, which would then be sorted using the Affinity Diagram technique (Wikipedia, "Affinity Diagram"). This will produce categories of concerns. These categories of concerns might then be translated into questionnaires to get quantitative data ranking people's concerns. They can also be used by Research committee to focus their work and by the group at large to craft position papers on those issues. This is crudely similar to what well funded politicians do to figure out how to package themselves for the voters. We would use it in a less cynical way to develop political agendas that could sell -- and to further research the past actions and positions of candidates on these issues. Honest analysis of the histories of competing candidates is not a worthy subject for the mainstream media, because it would reduce their revenue during election years. We can help fill that gap. Around 1:45, Merriam, Catherine (I failed to get her last name) and I went looking for people representing the United Methodists, who own a lot at 5th and Santa Clara, just north of City Hall, to ask their permission to use that site for expansion or as an alternative in case the San Jose Police actually evict the group currently camped on the City Hall lot on 4th St. at Santa Clara. We failed to find a human, but Merriam will make further attempts to contact them. I believe there is a difference between the current international Occupy movement and the antiwar demonstrations of the 1960s and early 1970s. When I was involved in my late 20s, I don't remember working with anyone much over 30, who had knowledge and experience with similar efforts. This group seems genuinely pleased to have members of the "Over the hill gang" like myself to provide a perspective of what they need to do to have a longer term impact than we had at that age. Thanks to all of you who helped edit the "No Credit Card" flier last year and all you've been doing since. They have a General Assembly at 7 PM each evening, Monday - Saturday, and noon on Sunday. As far as I know, they've had people on that site every minute of every day since last Sunday, Oct. 2. They'd be happy to have you come by any time. As long as I've listened respectfully and asked questions, they seem to have appreciated my suggestions and offers to do things for them. They haven't responded to every suggestion I made (I'd be worried if they had), but I think they've accomplished a lot in a short time and stand poised to accomplish much more. For more info, try "http://occupysj.org ". Best Wishes, Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sun Oct 9 19:53:45 2011 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Jose Update In-Reply-To: <4E924BDA.5070204@prodsyse.com> References: <4E924BDA.5070204@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <1318215225.82622.YahooMailNeo@web111114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> http://www.wesleysj.net/? has an address and phone number for the Wesley United Methodist Church at 566 N 5th st.? If that is not the right Methodist Church, there are other results in Google.?The Greens should be reaching out to this church anyway since they are Japanese (Re: Fukushima).??Good luck. ? Sincerely, ? John Thielking From: Spencer Graves To: GPSCC Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 6:35 PM Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Jose Update Hello, All:? ????? I arrived at the Occupy San Jose site at City Hall, 4th and Santa Clara for a 10 AM meeting of the Communications Committee.? With some effort, a group of roughly a dozen people got consensus on a "working version" of a statement of why they were there.? The statement appears now under "Who we are at "http://occupysj.org".? I plan to produce bookmarks of that text.?? ????? The Research committee was scheduled to meet at 11 AM.? The meeting was attended by Gerry Gras, Doug Jones, and others whose names I did not properly record.? At the General Assembly (GA) schedule to begin at noon, I summarized the minutes of that meeting by saying that we were proposing to produce a bookmark with the Occupy San Jose Statement produced by the Communications Committee and approved by the GA, and we would ask people to distribute them AND ask anyone who seemed interested in talking about their concerns (about the current political and economic problems facing the US and the world today) -- then listen respectfully, taking careful notes on what people say.? Or invite people to write their own summaries of their concerns.? The concerns would go onto Post-Its / sticky notes or 3 x 5 cards, which would then be sorted using the Affinity Diagram technique (Wikipedia, "Affinity Diagram").? This will produce categories of concerns.? These categories of concerns might then be translated into questionnaires to get quantitative data ranking people's concerns.? They can also be used by Research committee to focus their work and by the group at large to craft position papers on those issues.? This is crudely similar to what well funded politicians do to figure out how to package themselves for the voters.? We would use it in a less cynical way to develop political agendas that could sell -- and to further research the past actions and positions of candidates on these issues.? Honest analysis of the histories of competing candidates is not a worthy subject for the mainstream media, because it would reduce their revenue during election years.? We can help fill that gap.? ????? Around 1:45, Merriam, Catherine (I failed to get her last name) and I went looking for people representing the United Methodists, who own a lot at 5th and Santa Clara, just north of City Hall, to ask their permission to use that site for expansion or as an alternative in case the San Jose Police actually evict the group currently camped on the City Hall lot on 4th St. at Santa Clara.? We failed to find a human, but Merriam will make further attempts to contact them.? ????? I believe there is a difference between the current international Occupy movement and the antiwar demonstrations of the 1960s and early 1970s.? When I was involved in my late 20s, I don't remember working with anyone much over 30, who had knowledge and experience with similar efforts.? This group seems genuinely pleased to have members of the "Over the hill gang" like myself to provide a perspective of what they need to do to have a longer term impact than we had at that age.? ????? Thanks to all of you who helped edit the "No Credit Card" flier last year and all you've been doing since.? They have a General Assembly at 7 PM each evening, Monday - Saturday, and noon on Sunday.? As far as I know, they've had people on that site every minute of every day since last Sunday, Oct. 2.? They'd be happy to have you come by any time.? As long as I've listened respectfully and asked questions, they seem to have appreciated my suggestions and offers to do things for them.? They haven't responded to every suggestion I made (I'd be worried if they had), but I think they've accomplished a lot in a short time and stand poised to accomplish much more.? For more info, try "http://occupysj.org".? ????? Best Wishes, ????? Spencer ????? -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 9 20:09:28 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 20:09:28 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Jose Update In-Reply-To: <4E924BDA.5070204@prodsyse.com> References: <4E924BDA.5070204@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <4E9261E8.9000400@earthlink.net> Spencer Graves wrote: > Hello, All: > > > I arrived at the Occupy San Jose site at City Hall, 4th and Santa Clara > for a 10 AM meeting of the Communications Committee. With some effort, a > group of roughly a dozen people got consensus on a "working version" of > a statement of why they were there. The statement appears now under "Who > we are at "http://occupysj.org ". I plan to > produce bookmarks of that text. I went to the website to see if I can find it. The only likely candidate I saw was the manifesto. But I don't think that was what I heard Ledesma say today. So what is going on? > > > The Research committee was scheduled to meet at 11 AM. The meeting was > attended by Gerry Gras, Doug Jones, and others whose names I did not > properly record. At the General Assembly (GA) schedule to begin at noon, > I summarized the minutes of that meeting by saying that we were > proposing to produce a bookmark with the Occupy San Jose Statement > produced by the Communications Committee and approved by the GA, and we > would ask people to distribute them AND ask anyone who seemed interested > in talking about their concerns (about the current political and > economic problems facing the US and the world today) -- then listen > respectfully, taking careful notes on what people say. Or invite people > to write their own summaries of their concerns. The concerns would go > onto Post-Its / sticky notes or 3 x 5 cards, which would then be sorted > using the Affinity Diagram technique (Wikipedia, "Affinity Diagram"). > This will produce categories of concerns. These categories of concerns > might then be translated into questionnaires to get quantitative data > ranking people's concerns. They can also be used by Research committee > to focus their work and by the group at large to craft position papers > on those issues. This is crudely similar to what well funded politicians > do to figure out how to package themselves for the voters. We would use > it in a less cynical way to develop political agendas that could sell -- > and to further research the past actions and positions of candidates on > these issues. Honest analysis of the histories of competing candidates > is not a worthy subject for the mainstream media, because it would > reduce their revenue during election years. We can help fill that gap. > > > Around 1:45, Merriam, Catherine (I failed to get her last name) and I > went looking for people representing the United Methodists, who own a > lot at 5th and Santa Clara, just north of City Hall, to ask their > permission to use that site for expansion or as an alternative in case > the San Jose Police actually evict the group currently camped on the > City Hall lot on 4th St. at Santa Clara. We failed to find a human, but > Merriam will make further attempts to contact them. > > > I believe there is a difference between the current international Occupy > movement and the antiwar demonstrations of the 1960s and early 1970s. > When I was involved in my late 20s, I don't remember working with anyone > much over 30, who had knowledge and experience with similar efforts. > This group seems genuinely pleased to have members of the "Over the hill > gang" like myself to provide a perspective of what they need to do to > have a longer term impact than we had at that age. That's not all. These guys are friendly with the police. I heard someone there tell about a policeman saying that if he was not in uniform he would be joining them. And I saw a fire truck honk in support. > > > Thanks to all of you who helped edit the "No Credit Card" flier last > year and all you've been doing since. They have a General Assembly at 7 > PM each evening, Monday - Saturday, and noon on Sunday. As far as I > know, they've had people on that site every minute of every day since > last Sunday, Oct. 2. They'd be happy to have you come by any time. As > long as I've listened respectfully and asked questions, they seem to > have appreciated my suggestions and offers to do things for them. They > haven't responded to every suggestion I made (I'd be worried if they > had), but I think they've accomplished a lot in a short time and stand > poised to accomplish much more. For more info, try "http://occupysj.org > ". > Gerry From tnharter at aceweb.com Sun Oct 9 21:11:11 2011 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:11:11 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Bay Area Greens are invited] Message-ID: <4E92705F.3050602@aceweb.com> Want to carpool to BART with me for the Wednesday afternoon thing? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Bay Area Greens are invited Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Bay Area Greens are invited Press release: http://trivalleydems.com/DemonstrationatChevron.pdf As anger with Wall St builds across the country MoveOn/Rebuild the American Dream chapters, other concerned groups and individuals will be in front of Chevron World Headquarters calling on congress to end subsidies to Big Oil. Subsidies take tax payer money and add it to record profits. The event will be in front of 6121 Bollinger Canyon Rd just east of the I-680 exit; for two days, Tuesday Oct 11 from 11 AM to 1 PM & Wednesday Oct 12 from 4 PM to 6 PM. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: added a snapshot of Occupy San Jose's camp. The 5 actions 1 world pin is on a Virginia quarter. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 9 21:37:43 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:37:43 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [GPCA Updates] GP VIDEO RELEASE Green Party to pro-Democrat groups: The message of the Wall St. protests is not Vote Democrat In-Reply-To: <4E92571F.6090603@greens.org> References: <4E92571F.6090603@greens.org> Message-ID: <4E927697.6090506@earthlink.net> There they (Democrats) go again. Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GPCA Updates] GP VIDEO RELEASE Green Party to pro-Democrat groups: The message of the Wall St. protests is not Vote Democrat Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:23:27 -0700 From: Green Party of California Updates Reply-To: updates-owner at marla.cagreens.org, updates at cagreens.org To: updates at cagreens.org ** Green Party of California Update ** GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES http://www.gp.org For Immediate Release: Sunday, October 9, 2011 Green Party to Democratic apologists: The message of the Wall Street protests is not 'Vote Democrat' ? Video and Livestreaming: Green Party Occupy America http://www.gp.org/campaigns/occupy-america/index.php Cheri Honkala, Green candidate for Sheriff of Philadelphia, visits Occupy Wall Street http://vimeo.com/29997382 Cheri Honkala speaks at Occupy DC http://www.vimeo.com/30200014 Interview with New York Green Mark Dunlea at Occupy Wall Street http://www.gp.org/video/display.php?ID=59 Interview with Michael O'Neil, Secretary of the Green Party of New York State, Occupy Wall Street http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orcQYUyfUyY WASHINGTON, DC -- Green Party leaders sharply criticized Democratic Party supporters online and in the media who have tried to turn the ongoing Occupy Wall Street, Occupy America, and October 2011 demonstrations across America into an appeal to vote Democrat and reelect President Obama in 2012. Many of the protesters have expressed their disgust with two-party politics (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/wall-street-protesters-disgusted-parties-14687840) and the influence of corporate money. Organizers have rejected attempts to shoehorn the movement into any party and assert that the protesters come from diverse political persuasions. Greens, who are participating in the protests and among the organizers, have pointed to the Green Party's alternative vision for America, as expressed in the Green New Deal (http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2010/08/11/62-green-candidates-endorse-green-new-deal) and on the party's web site (http://www.gp.org). The Green Party offers a platform for peace, economic security for working people, millions of new green jobs in conservation and clean energy development, an end to fossil fuel addiction, real steps for curbing global climate change and restoring the health of the planet, universal health care (Medicare For All), and reforms that would limit the power of corporations and restore the promise of participatory democracy and fair elections. Green candidates do not accept corporate money. ? Mark Dunlea, co-founder of the Green Party of New York State: "The Democratic Party does not speak for the Occupy Wall Street, Occupy America, and October 2011 protesters. No political party speaks for the protesters, not even the Green Party. The protesters speak for themselves. The Green Party has endorsed and joined the demos because we share the same frustration and anger as the other protesters. Greens are there because we bring alternative ideas like the Green New Deal. And we're there because we encourage the 99 percent -- We The People -- to organize, end pro-corporate two-party rule, and replace the politicians in public office who enabled Wall Street's theft of America's future. This can only happen through an independent alliance with the same diversity we're seeing at the protests: labor activists, Greens, progressives, anarchists, libertarians, nonvoters, disappointed Democrats and Republicans, and all others who want real change." ? Sanda Everette, co-coordinator of the Coordinating Committee of the Green Party of California: "If pro-Democrat web sites and the media believe that the message of the protests is 'Vote Democrat' and 'Reelect Obama' in 2012, they've missed the point. The current demonstrations became necessary after Election Day 2008, when too many liberal, progressive, and antiwar Democrats declared 'Mission Accomplished' with Barack Obama's election victory. The Democratic Party has proved itself as dedicated to Wall Street as the GOP. We look forward to more protests and direct action as the election season unfolds, especially during the 2012 Democratic and Republican conventions." ? Farheen Hakeem, Green candidate for the Minnesota State Senate in District 61 (http://www.farheenhakeem.org) and co-chair of the Green Party of the United States: "Say no to the parties of war and corporate money! That's our message to all Americans who are worried about the dangerous direction that the two Titanic Parties have steered our country. If the field of presidential candidates is limited to incumbent Obama and the Republican nominee after the primaries, then everything the Wall Street protesters are talking about will be erased from the election season debate and from the media. Hopes for a progressive challenge in the Democratic primaries are unrealistic. The challenger will inevitably be defeated by the Obama campaign juggernaut, which is already loaded with corporate campaign checks, and the challenger's supporters will find themselves muzzled, with the expectation that they'll vote Democrat." ? Terry Baum, Green candidate for Mayor of San Francisco (http://terryjoanbaum.com): "Barack Obama received more Wall Street money than any other candidate in US history. Instead of change, the Obama Administration gave us Phase 2 of the Bush-Cheney agenda: more Wall Street bailouts, more endless war, more offshore oil drilling and the dangerous Keystone XL pipeline, more mountaintop detonation mining. Instead of financial security for Americans, we got plans to slash Social Security and Medicare. We got minimal assistance for people facing home foreclosures and more crushing debt for college students. We got silence about the racist death penalty and record-high mass incarceration of young black, brown, and poor people in a greedy private prison system. We got a health care bill with mandates that are a direct public subsidy for the insurance industry (originally a Republican proposal), but no universal health care or controls for skyrocketing medical costs. We got impunity for Bush officials who authorized torture and other war crimes -- and more extraordinary rendition, more warrantless surveillance of US citizens, more erosion of due process, more persecution of whistleblowers, and even a secret presidential hit list of Americans targeted for assassination." ? Cheri Honkala, Green candidate for Sheriff of Philadelphia (http://www.cherihonkala.com) running on an anti-foreclosure platform, speaking at Freedom Plaza in Washington, DC on October 6: "What I'm doing is not symbolic. It's concrete and Bill and Aida and Glenn who's here with me today, like millions of people across this country are gonna lose their homes... unless you take this seriously and not just march about it, pray about it, and sing about it but help me fill every damn poll in Philadelphia where there's a birthplace of revolution and change... We can do this again in this country and take our country back!" See also: ? "Green Party of the US endorses, joins 'October 2011' protest against the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and 2012 austerity budget" Green Party media advisory, September 27, 2011 http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=450 ? October 2011 http://october2011.org ? Occupy Wall Street http://www.occupywallst.org ? Occupy Together: events across the US and in other countries in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street http://www.occupytogether.org ? Declaration of the Occupation of New York City NYC General Assembly: The Official Website of the GA at #OccupyWallStreet http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city ? It's Our Economy http://itsoureconomy.us MORE INFORMATION Green Party of the United States http://www.gp.org 202-319-7191 ? Green candidate database and campaign information: http://www.gp.org/elections.shtml ? News Center http://www.gp.org/newscenter.shtml ? Speakers Bureau http://www.gp.org/speakers ? Ballot Access Page http://www.gp.org/ballotstatus ? Livestream Channel http://www.livestream.com/greenpartyus ? Video Page http://www.gp.org/video/index.php Press conferences, forums, and other events at the Green Party's 2011 Annual National Meeting in Alfred, NY, broadcast and archived on the Green Party's Livestream Channel http://www.livestream.com/greenpartyus ? 2011 Annual National Meeting http://nygreenfest.org Green Pages: The official publication of record of the Green Party of the United States (Summer 2011 issue now online) http://gp.org/greenpages-blog ~ END ~ _______________________________________________ Green Party of California Updates mailing list Subscribe: http://www.cagreens.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/updates From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sun Oct 9 23:50:11 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 23:50:11 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] OWS Disses Geraldo Message-ID: "Fox New Lies! Fox New Lies! Fox New Lies!" 2 minute video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxQHys4Tmf4&feature=player_embedded -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 10 10:32:22 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:32:22 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Jose Busted last night Message-ID: <4E932C26.3080704@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: From "occupysj.org": CITATIONS being issued at Occupy San Jose On 10.10.11 | In Blog | by technology ATTENTION: citations are being issued now. Only one so far. One of our legal reps is at City Hall. Please contact the media. So far everything has been peaceful, even with the police presence. Let?s keep it that way! Reported as of 12:35am, Oct 10th, 2011 You are also encouraged to contact elected officials. Their names and contact information are available at, e.g., "www.sanjoseca.gov/council.asp". Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 10 11:17:41 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:17:41 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: tax vacant property and Occupy San Jose? In-Reply-To: <4E9332E8.8080805@prodsyse.com> References: <4E9332E8.8080805@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <4E9336C5.5010104@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: Below please find an email I sent to Pierluigi Olivario, my City Councilperson. Feel free to use it in any way you like. Best Wishes, Spencer -------- Original Message -------- Subject: tax vacant property and Occupy San Jose? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:01:12 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: pierluigi.oliverio at sanjoseca.gov Hello: What do you think of the proposal to tax vacant property?[1] I agree with Dean Baker, Co-Director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, DC, that this would reduce the incentive of people who own vacant property to demand more than the property is currently worth in the hopes that the economy will soon improve and they will get more for their property because they waited. Everybody wins, I think: The city gets badly needed tax revenue. Owners of vacant property are pushed to make a more realistic assessment of the value of what they own. And people looking to either lease or buy real estate have options more in line with the realities of the current market. I'm sure that owners of vacant property won't see it this way, and I suspect people who own the most vacant property also make substantial campaign contributions. This could make it more difficult for the city council to do what's best for the public as it conflicts with the perceived interests of major political campaign contributors. I hope you will support the public. Similarly, what is your position on Occupy San Jose? I hope you will support the First Amendment right of peaceful assembly, and the city council did a few years ago when Vietnamese camped at City Hall. The increased consolidation of ownership of the media have largely supported a movement to increase welfare / entitlements for the wealthy while reducing support for the bottom 99%. I believe the current international Occupy movement, combined with the Arab Spring, shows the greatest promise of actually fixing the most serious problems facing this nation and the world. I sincerely hope you will protect and defend the constitution. Sincerely, Spencer Graves [1] "Taxing Nothing: Make Owners of Vacant Property Pay", Dean Baker, Co-Director, Center for Economic and Policy Research, "www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/taxing-nothing-make-owners-of-vacant-property-pay". -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 10 11:18:20 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:18:20 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: tax vacant property and Occupy San Jose? In-Reply-To: <4E9332E8.8080805@prodsyse.com> References: <4E9332E8.8080805@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <4E9336EC.3070809@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: Below please find an email I sent to Pierluigi Olivario, my City Councilperson. Feel free to use it in any way you like. I also left a voice mail. I don't know if a human will ever listen to it, but I did. Best Wishes, Spencer -------- Original Message -------- Subject: tax vacant property and Occupy San Jose? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:01:12 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: pierluigi.oliverio at sanjoseca.gov Hello: What do you think of the proposal to tax vacant property?[1] I agree with Dean Baker, Co-Director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, DC, that this would reduce the incentive of people who own vacant property to demand more than the property is currently worth in the hopes that the economy will soon improve and they will get more for their property because they waited. Everybody wins, I think: The city gets badly needed tax revenue. Owners of vacant property are pushed to make a more realistic assessment of the value of what they own. And people looking to either lease or buy real estate have options more in line with the realities of the current market. I'm sure that owners of vacant property won't see it this way, and I suspect people who own the most vacant property also make substantial campaign contributions. This could make it more difficult for the city council to do what's best for the public as it conflicts with the perceived interests of major political campaign contributors. I hope you will support the public. Similarly, what is your position on Occupy San Jose? I hope you will support the First Amendment right of peaceful assembly, and the city council did a few years ago when Vietnamese camped at City Hall. The increased consolidation of ownership of the media have largely supported a movement to increase welfare / entitlements for the wealthy while reducing support for the bottom 99%. I believe the current international Occupy movement, combined with the Arab Spring, shows the greatest promise of actually fixing the most serious problems facing this nation and the world. I sincerely hope you will protect and defend the constitution. Sincerely, Spencer Graves [1] "Taxing Nothing: Make Owners of Vacant Property Pay", Dean Baker, Co-Director, Center for Economic and Policy Research, "www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/taxing-nothing-make-owners-of-vacant-property-pay". -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 10 13:08:09 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:08:09 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: tax vacant property and Occupy San Jose? In-Reply-To: <4E9332E8.8080805@prodsyse.com> References: <4E9332E8.8080805@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <4E9350A9.2060707@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: I just received a phone call from my San Jose City Councilperson, Pierliugi Oliverio, responding to my email copied below. He said he liked the idea of taxing vacant property mentioned in this email but didn't know if it was legal for a city to do it. I asked about his position on the Occupy San Jose group. He said, "They're still there." I said they had been issued a citation and now have a legal process to contend with. He replied, "Oh, I didn't know that." I encourage you all to make similar contacts if you haven't already. Best Wishes, Spencer ###################################### Below please find an email I sent to Pierluigi Olivario, my City Councilperson. Feel free to use it in any way you like. I also left a voice mail. I don't know if a human will ever listen to it, but I did. Best Wishes, Spencer -------- Original Message -------- Subject: tax vacant property and Occupy San Jose? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:01:12 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: pierluigi.oliverio at sanjoseca.gov Hello: What do you think of the proposal to tax vacant property?[1] I agree with Dean Baker, Co-Director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, DC, that this would reduce the incentive of people who own vacant property to demand more than the property is currently worth in the hopes that the economy will soon improve and they will get more for their property because they waited. Everybody wins, I think: The city gets badly needed tax revenue. Owners of vacant property are pushed to make a more realistic assessment of the value of what they own. And people looking to either lease or buy real estate have options more in line with the realities of the current market. I'm sure that owners of vacant property won't see it this way, and I suspect people who own the most vacant property also make substantial campaign contributions. This could make it more difficult for the city council to do what's best for the public as it conflicts with the perceived interests of major political campaign contributors. I hope you will support the public. Similarly, what is your position on Occupy San Jose? I hope you will support the First Amendment right of peaceful assembly, and the city council did a few years ago when Vietnamese camped at City Hall. The increased consolidation of ownership of the media have largely supported a movement to increase welfare / entitlements for the wealthy while reducing support for the bottom 99%. I believe the current international Occupy movement, combined with the Arab Spring, shows the greatest promise of actually fixing the most serious problems facing this nation and the world. I sincerely hope you will protect and defend the constitution. Sincerely, Spencer Graves [1] "Taxing Nothing: Make Owners of Vacant Property Pay", Dean Baker, Co-Director, Center for Economic and Policy Research, "www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/taxing-nothing-make-owners-of-vacant-property-pay". -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 10 14:58:43 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:58:43 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] =?windows-1252?q?=22=91Bank_Transfer_Day=92_Causes_C?= =?windows-1252?q?redit_Union_Buzz=22?= In-Reply-To: <4E936238.4070000@earthlink.net> References: <4E936238.4070000@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E936A93.4080908@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: If any of you get a chance, I suggest you forward the link to the "Bank Transfer Day" article to anyone you know along with a link to the "No Credit Card Debt" trifold on the resources page of our web site (www.cagreens.org/sclara/resources ). I recently updated this in two ways: 1. Adding a plot of US Census data showing the evolution of income inequality in the US since 1947 (steady to 1970, widening since; deleting the list of local credit unions to make space). 2. Moving "How to Change Checking Accounts" from the back to the front. This was requested by someone with Occupy San Jose. The "Bank Transfer Day" article says that this message has gone viral on Twitter. The date is Nov. 5, which Gerry noted was Guy Fawkes day (Wikipedia, "Guy Fawkes"). I plan to join Twitter, but not today. Comments? Spencer On 10/10/2011 2:23 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > FYI, > > "?Bank Transfer Day? Causes Credit Union Buzz" > http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/10-9 > > Apparently the credit unions are paying attention to > the movement to transfer money on "Bank Transfer Day", > November 5th. NOTE: November 5th is Guy Fawkes Day. > > Gerry > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. 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Nice personal touch, surprised to get a voicemail from my councilperson in response. He has nothing better to do? At least it means he is listening and responsive. Brownie points to local politico. Tomorrow I am visiting ZOE Lofgren's office. Roy III -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From the_alliance47 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 10 19:33:45 2011 From: the_alliance47 at yahoo.com (Edward) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Attn Occupy Wall Street: We have your solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1318300425.72535.YahooMailNeo@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> An interesting flyer was handed out to OWS. http://distributistreview.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wallst.pdf Thoughts? -edward -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Tue Oct 11 00:55:05 2011 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:55:05 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Proof that my new camera works... Message-ID: <4E93F659.9000509@aceweb.com> Thursday afternoon some concerned citizens opposed to big bank fees staged an action outside Bank Of America in San Jose. See more here: http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/BankOfAmerica/index.html Then later I checked out the scene at the Occupation of San Jose: http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/CityHall/Occupation/FirstUpdated71111.html The next day San Francisco's Bike Party had an awesome ride where my battery died. See what I got before that happened here: http://tian.greens.org/SanFrancisco/BikeParty/CircusRide/index.html Through all of the above my camera's battery was on its first charge. In the end, I got a little more than 147 pictures out of it. Half what the box advertised, but still not bad. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: added words and pictures from SFBP's Circus Ride. The 5 actions 1 world pin is on a New York quarter. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 11 11:03:02 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:03:02 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [ppjc] Tomorrow: OccupyWallStreet Picket in Palo Alto In-Reply-To: <4E94843C.6090501@earthlink.net> References: <4E94843C.6090501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E9484D6.7050402@earthlink.net> Instead of simply forwarding the email I got from PPJC, here is a link that contains the pertinent info (about an "occupy" rally tomorrow in Palo Alto). http://peaceandjustice.org/programs/We_Are_The_99_Percent/ Gerry From WB4D23 at aol.com Tue Oct 11 16:49:24 2011 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Next GPCA State Meeting December 3-4 in Los Angeles Message-ID: <52057.739069b2.3bc63004@aol.com> Folks! A week or so ago I tried to post a draft of the agenda for the next GPCA General Assembly of Delegates to this email list. However, the email was rejected as "too big"... The (mostly) same message was successfully posted to the joint County Councils list, so County Council members did receive the information via email. The next Plenary will be in Los Angeles Decemer 3rd to 4th (the same weekend as the San Jose Peace Fair). "Hopefully" the agenda packet will get published in a timely fashion. We need to at least tentatively appoint our General Assembly Delegates and Alternates and schedule an agenda packet review session at the October 28th meeting and plan to make decisions about Plenary items and finalize our Delegates/Alternates at the November 17th GPSCC meeting. Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at philosopherswheel.com Tue Oct 11 16:51:03 2011 From: eric at philosopherswheel.com (Eric A. Meece) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:51:03 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Wow, is THIS the BOOK I predicted?? Message-ID: <9E0A6C048E7F444FBDDBDAC8EA382E08@eameecePC> Wow, is THIS the BOOK I predicted? A few of you might remember (and in any case it's probably on my website or in my book) that I predicted that the planetary cycles (especially Pluto's entry into Capricorn in 2008) would see a book published that becomes the catalyst for change that unfolds over the following decades as Pluto moves on into Aquarius. I saw this possibility because when Pluto entered Capricorn in 1517, Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the Wittenberg Church door, and in 1762 Rousseau published The Social Contract, inspiration for the age of revolution. Could this be IT??? What'ya think? "Now, at 93, he is the author of a best seller that has become a publishing phenomenon in France. It is not the story of his life (he wrote his autobiography years ago), but a thin, impressionistic pamphlet called "Indignez-Vous!," held together by two staples and released by a two-person publishing house run out of the attic of their home. It urges young people to revive the ideal of resistance to the Nazis by peacefully resisting the "international dictatorship of the financial markets" and defending the "values of modern democracy." He is Stephane Hessel, now 94 (born Oct.20, 1917), and is now in America speaking to overflow crowds. It may have helped inspire the Arab Spring and therefore also the current Occupy movement. Tonight he was interviewed on the Newshour. The interview does not appear to be posted on the newshour website yet, but I'm sure it will be soon. Here is an interview that was not broadcast: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...l-outrage.html "The book was an accident. Inspired by a speech Mr. Hessel gave in 2008 to commemorate the Resistance, Ms. Crossman proposed publishing a pamphlet based on his thinking. After three interviews with Mr. Hessel she whipped his words into a text. He did a bit of editing, and voil?, 8,000 copies were printed by Ms. Crossman and Mr. Barou's publishing house, Indig?ne. The only advertising was word of mouth." His book is called "Time for Outrage" in English http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/bo...pagewanted=all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Hessel What an inspiring fellow. Makes me want to sing La Marseillaise. ""Like a song you hum or a film you recommend to friends, Indignez-Vous ! crystallises the spirit of the time. To buy it is a militant act, a gesture towards community and participation in a collective emotion." Lib?ration "The book urges the French, and everyone else, to recapture the wartime spirit of resistance to the Nazis by rejecting the "insolent, selfish" power of money and markets and by defending the social "values of modern democracy." Independent" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vdf at juno.com Tue Oct 11 17:20:55 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:20:55 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Next GPCA State Meeting December 3-4 in Los Angeles Message-ID: <20111011.172055.12231.0@webmail57.vgs.untd.com> Hi Warner, I've added this to the draft agenda for the October 27 meeting. Would you like to be the presenter? How much time shall we set aside (I've tentatively made it 5 minutes)? Best wishes, Valerie Please note: message attached ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e94ddbb720759b9139st04vuc -------------- next part -------------- Folks! A week or so ago I tried to post a draft of the agenda for the next GPCA General Assembly of Delegates to this email list. However, the email was rejected as "too big"... The (mostly) same message was successfully posted to the joint County Councils list, so County Council members did receive the information via email. The next Plenary will be in Los Angeles Decemer 3rd to 4th (the same weekend as the San Jose Peace Fair). "Hopefully" the agenda packet will get published in a timely fashion. We need to at least tentatively appoint our General Assembly Delegates and Alternates and schedule an agenda packet review session at the October 28th meeting and plan to make decisions about Plenary items and finalize our Delegates/Alternates at the November 17th GPSCC meeting. Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jims at greens.org Tue Oct 11 18:53:29 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:53:29 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Quote of the Day Message-ID: <4E94F319.2030203@greens.org> "I'll believe corporations are persons when I see Texas execute one." - Unidentified protester at Occupy Wall Street From eric at philosopherswheel.com Tue Oct 11 21:40:27 2011 From: eric at philosopherswheel.com (Eric A. Meece) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:40:27 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Quote of the Day In-Reply-To: <4E94F319.2030203@greens.org> References: <4E94F319.2030203@greens.org> Message-ID: <7C254A93306D43719DA7BF00415CD2C1@eameecePC> Great quote. I heard Robert Reich say it Sunday on KPFA. I wondr who said it first. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Stauffer" To: "GPSCC" Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:53 PM Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Quote of the Day > > "I'll believe corporations are persons when I see Texas execute one." > > - Unidentified protester at Occupy Wall Street > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From azuresea4me at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 23:07:54 2011 From: azuresea4me at gmail.com (Azure Sea) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:07:54 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Quote of the Day In-Reply-To: <4E94F319.2030203@greens.org> References: <4E94F319.2030203@greens.org> Message-ID: Boy....if that ain't the truth! 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URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 12 02:02:47 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:02:47 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] ows Message-ID: <4E9557B7.8040202@earthlink.net> More good stuff from Nader "Rumble from the People" http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/11-14 From the New York Times: "Finally Making Sense on Wall Street" http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/finally-making-sense-on-wall-street/ Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Wed Oct 12 11:58:01 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:58:01 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] email to Mayor Reed In-Reply-To: <4E9552C8.7060705@earthlink.net> References: <2B075F1A-D784-414D-AAA7-749F656BEF40@gmail.com> <4E8C9FFF.2010703@earthlink.net> <4E8CC19C.6030008@earthlink.net> <014DD496-702D-4AFC-B149-67B8BB1F6E59@gmail.com> <4E8F5338.9080806@earthlink.net> <4E924236.1040806@earthlink.net> <1318306591.96757.YahooMailNeo@web160512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E94EBDC.5010901@prodsyse.com> <4E9552C8.7060705@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E95E339.8060305@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: Below please find an email I just sent to San Jose Mayor Reed discussing the 1932 Bonus Army and its violent suppression by the Hoover administration and the resulting loss of seats in the 1932 and 1934 elections, citing Wikipedia. I don't know how we can use this, but it's solid history and seems relevant. Enjoy. Spencer -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Occupy San Jose Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:42:35 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: mayoremail at sanjoseca.gov Dear Mayor Reed: What is your position regarding Occupy San Jose? You probably know that at least one citation was issued Sunday night and more were issued last night. I suspect the police would not be doing this without your urging. This reminds me of the 1932 Bonus Army (Wikipedia, "Bonus Army"), which was dispersed at the cost of several lives. In the 1932 election, President Hoover's Republican party lost 12 seats in the Senate and 100 seats in the House; in 1934, they lost another 10 in both houses, giving the Democrats over two thirds of both houses (Wikipedia, "Party divisions of United States Congresses"). I sincerely hope that all politicians who fail to support the Occupy movement meet Hoover's fate in future elections. Sincerely, Spencer Graves -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From vdf at juno.com Wed Oct 12 19:41:37 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 02:41:37 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for Agenda Items for October 27 Meeting Message-ID: <20111012.194137.32333.0@webmail53.vgs.untd.com> Hi everyone, I volunteered to prepare the agenda for our October meeting. For transparency, please send agenda items and changes to this list: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org. Include the name of the presenter and the amount of time needed. At the end of the September meeting we had two potential guest speakers for October. Has one of them been confirmed yet? When that happens, please send an email to this list so I can update the agenda. Here's what I have so far: === Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 === Location: San Jose Peace & Justice Center, 48 S 7th St, San Jose 7:00 PM Social time: practice one-minute speeches, eat, chat, etc. 7:30 PM Begin meeting * Guest speaker: either (a) someone from Californians for Justice or (b) Masao Suzuki 15 min (total, including Q & A) * Choose facilitator, note taker, timekeeper, vibes watcher, November agenda preparer, November one-minute speakers 2 min * Introductions and short announcements 10 min * Revise and affirm agenda 4 min * Treasurer's report, pass the hat 4 min, Jim Doyle * Movie Night 6 min, Merriam Kathaleen * Make a decision on a speaker for November meeting 4 min, group * Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) 3 min, Jim Doyle * Fair and equitable taxation (carried over from September agenda) 3 min, Jim Doyle * GPCA General Assembly Dec. 3-4: select delegates & alternates; schedule packet review meeting 5 min, Warner Bloomberg? Respectfully, Valerie Face ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e96501b7cf2a0cfe6st04vuc From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 13 14:06:46 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:06:46 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Eviction of OWS? In-Reply-To: <4E975288.10605@earthlink.net> References: <4E975288.10605@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E9752E6.5060005@earthlink.net> MoveOn says that Occupy Wall Street is being evicted from Zuccotti Park: http://front.moveon.org/breaking-mayor-bloomberg-attempting-to-evict-occupywallstreet-protesters/ This page also has a link to let you sign a petition. ========= Here's what John Nichols says, including suggestions for action: http://www.thenation.com/blog/163979/working-families-party-how-make-sure-mayor-bloomberg-doesnt-evict-occupy-wall-street ========= This is what Common Dreams has to say: http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/13-8 ========= The mayor's website is: http://www.nyc.gov/mayor ========= Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 13 19:38:10 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:38:10 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Chase allegedly would not allow a customer to move money until s/he threatened to all the police. Message-ID: <4E97A092.8090208@prodsyse.com> There are many complaints about major banks allegedly creating obstacles to people closing accounts (www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/l9ptd/transfer_bank_day_nov_5th_credit_union_and_local ). I can't vouch for the veracity of the stories, but one of several examples was as follows: I've also had Chase deny me the right to remove my money because I had the "Possibility of Pending Deposits or Credits." I asked if I could leave the amount in which may be pending, to which they denied me again. I spent the next 2 weeks, making sure all of my Bill Pays were clear and hadn't used the account. I went in again and they tried to pull the same shit on me. I threatened to call the police and then they finally complied. Not sure if this was a way for them to try and keep me as a customer, but it was certainly not the right way.. Spencer p.s. I removed my phone number from the "No Credit Card Debt" trifold and the bookmark on "No Credit Card Debt" and "4 Puppet Politics", available from the Resources page of the Santa Clara Greens web site (www.cagreens.org/sclara/resources ). If someone wants a phone number there, please provide such. I've so far received only one phone call, and that person just wanted to know who I was. I've left my email address. I'm currently hyping these to the "Move Your Money" project. I posted something on their Facebook page, and I sent an email to them. I plan to do other things as well. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 14 00:13:20 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:13:20 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] poll: ows v tea party In-Reply-To: <4E9792DF.7000307@earthlink.net> References: <4E9792DF.7000307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E97E110.5070605@earthlink.net> Poll results comparing ows and tea party: "Occupy Wall Street Movement is Twice as Popular as the Tea Party: Time Poll" http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/13-9 Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 14 07:54:50 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:54:50 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] ows In-Reply-To: <4E984D09.4000800@earthlink.net> References: <4E984D09.4000800@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E984D3A.5020808@earthlink.net> FYI, OWS NOT evicted. Demonstrations around the world tomorrow, i.e. Saturday. http://occupywallst.org/article/ows-victory-people-have-prevailed-gear-global-day-/ ... This reminds me. On May 3, 1971, there was a massive civil disobedience action in Washington, DC. On the morning of May 2, they evicted all the protestors from "the People's Park", (West Potomac Park). They did not have the ability to call for support, no internet then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_May_Day_Protests ... Gerry From snug.bug at hotmail.com Fri Oct 14 10:17:20 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:17:20 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Third-World Computers Message-ID: India is expected to buy 8 million to 10 million $50 Aakash tablet computers in the next six months. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/241156/indias_lowcost_tablet_is_made_by_canadas_datawind.html The concept of a computer for illiterates has excited me for a long time, and I think such a machine has great potential to help people around the world to teach themselves to read. 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Pacific Daylight Time >Subj: Fw: Important > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ralph Marsh >To: rmarsh34 at tampabay.rr.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:01 PM >Subject: Important > > >? >? >Subject: New amendment >>>? >>>I have totally cleaned this e-mail from all other names, sending it to you in >>>hopes you will keep it going and keep it clean. This is something I will fight >>>for and I hope you all read it all the way through. You will be glad you did. >>> >>> >>>The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 >>>months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in >>>1971 ... before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc. >>> >>> >>>Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to >>>become the law of the land ... >>> >>>? >>>all because of public pressure. >>> >>>I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on >>>their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. >>> >>> >>>In three days, most people in The United States of Americawill have the message. >>>This is one idea that really should be passed around. >>> >>> >>>Congressional Reform Act of 2011 >>> >>>1. No Tenure / No Pension. >>>? >>> >>>A Congressman collects a salary while in office >>>? >>>and receives no pay when they are out of office. >>> >>>2. Congress (past, present & future) participates >>>? >>>in Social Security. >>>? >>> >>>All funds in the Congressional retirement fund >>>? >>>move to the Social Security system immediately. >>>? >>>All future funds flow into the Social Security >>>? >>>system, and Congress participates with the >>>? >>>American people. It may not be used for any >>>? >>>other purpose. >>> >>>3. Congress can purchase their own retirement >>>? >>>plan, just as all Americans do. >>> >>>4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay >>>? >>>raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower >>>? >>>of CPI or 3%. >>> >>>5. Congress loses their current health care system >>>? >>>and participates in the same health care system >>>? >>>as the American people. >>> >>>6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they >>>? >>>impose on the American people. >>> >>>7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen >>>? >>>are void effective 1/1/12. >>>? >>> >>>The American people did not make these contracts >>>? >>>with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these >>>? >>>contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is >>>? >>>an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers >>>? >>>envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should >>>? >>>serve their term(s), then go home and back to >>>? >>>work. >>> >>> >>>If each person contacts a minimum of twenty >>>? >>>people then it will only take three days for >>>? >>>most people (in the U.S.) to receive the >>>? >>>message. Maybe it is time. >>> >>>THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!! >>> >>> >>> >>>If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete. >>> >>> >>>You are one of my 20+. Please keep it going. >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>? >>? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 14 13:53:14 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:53:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move to Amend In-Reply-To: <1318623851.60238.YahooMailRC@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1318623851.60238.YahooMailRC@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E98A13A.6060405@prodsyse.com> Hello: I think we need two constitutional amendments. 1. "A corporation is not a person." 2. "Money is not speech." If me combine these with each other or with anything else, we will make it easier for the powerful to defeat them. I'm not an attorney, but I think constitutional amendments with this verbiage will dramatically overturn the Supreme Court's Citizen's United decision in a way that will allow congress to pass effective campaign finance legislation. They still won't do it unless the public demands it, but that's another issue. I think term limits are a bad idea, because they deprive an electoral body of legislative memory, thereby giving more power to lobbyists -- the opposite of what we need. Spencer On 10/14/2011 1:24 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote: > > *Subject: New amendment* > > *I have totally cleaned this e-mail from all other names, > sending it to you in hopes you will keep it going and keep > it clean. This is something I will fight for and I _hope > you all read it all the way_ _through._ You will be glad > you did. * > > *The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 > year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! > Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971 ... > before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc. * > * > **Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took > 1 year or less to become the law of the land ...* > > *all because of public pressure. * > > *I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a > minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn > ask each of those to do likewise. * > * > * > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Fri Oct 14 14:27:23 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:27:23 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Important re: Congressional Perks In-Reply-To: <1318623851.60238.YahooMailRC@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1318623851.60238.YahooMailRC@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When I used to do concrete work I was schmoozing with the building inspector one afternoon and he told me that the inspectors are very highly paid to ensure that they are happy with their jobs and are not tempted to take bribes. I don't think that anybody would be naive enough to claim that the pension keeps our Congresscritters honest, but I do think that removing the pension would virtually guarantee that new Congressional Reps' first priority would be casting about for opportunities to feather their nests. If a Congressional Rep halfway does his or her job s/he is going to antagonize some very powerful people and interests and the future is very uncertain. The only way we can even dream that someday we'll have honest and courageous and hard-working and competent people in Congress is if they don't have to sacrifice their financial security. The pension is cheap at the price and we should concentrate on electing people to the post who can actually earn it. Lawrence Lessig points out Congress is our most directly democratic federal institution since its members are elected every 2 years and you can actually visit your Rep. He believes that Congress is corrupting itself and making itself irrelevant due of its vulnerability to influence through campaign contributions. Cutting the perks will only cause further deterioration, as only crooks, fools, and fanatics will run for the office. Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:24:11 -0700 From: carolineyacoub at att.net To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Important ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "PMich50979 at aol.com" To: carolineyacoub at att.net; gloriaz105 at cox.net Sent: Thu, October 13, 2011 6:01:49 AM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Important From: wworner at tampabay.rr.com To: RSmith542 at Tampabay.rr.com, lionelax at hotmail.com, Tiggiemom at yahoo.com, Kentkat4 at aol.com, pmich50979 at AOL.com, KenandMJRockwood at aol.com, pes4610 at sbcglobal.net, January436 at Hotmail.com, bdiehl95124 at yahoo.com Sent: 10/12/2011 7:48:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Fw: Important ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Marsh To: rmarsh34 at tampabay.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:01 PM Subject: Important Subject: New amendment I have totally cleaned this e-mail from all other names, sending it to you in hopes you will keep it going and keep it clean. This is something I will fight for and I hope you all read it all the way through. You will be glad you did. The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971 ... before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc. Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land ... all because of public pressure. I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around. Congressional Reform Act of 2011 1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office. 2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose. 3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do. 4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%. 5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people. 6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people. 7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make these contracts with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work. If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S.) to receive the message. Maybe it is time. THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!! If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete. You are one of my 20+. Please keep it going. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Fri Oct 14 16:23:54 2011 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:23:54 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Ramon! Message-ID: <4E98C48A.5030605@aceweb.com> Chevron is the biggest [oil] company in California. San Ramon hosts the HQ. Click this what I saw at Occupy San Ramon a couple of days ago. http://tian.greens.org/California/ContraCostaCounty/SanRamon/index.html -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: added words and pictures from SFBP's Circus Ride. The 5 actions 1 world pin is on my fair trade plastic key chain fob. From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 14 16:50:40 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:50:40 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Important re: Congressional Perks In-Reply-To: References: <1318623851.60238.YahooMailRC@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E98CAD0.7020404@prodsyse.com> Hi, Brian: Well put. Thanks. Spencer On 10/14/2011 2:27 PM, Brian Good wrote: > > When I used to do concrete work I was schmoozing with the building > inspector one > afternoon and he told me that the inspectors are very highly paid to > ensure that they > are happy with their jobs and are not tempted to take bribes. > > I don't think that anybody would be naive enough to claim that the > pension keeps > our Congresscritters honest, but I do think that removing the pension > would virtually > guarantee that new Congressional Reps' first priority would be casting > about for > opportunities to feather their nests. If a Congressional Rep halfway > does his or her > job s/he is going to antagonize some very powerful people and > interests and the > future is very uncertain. > > The only way we can even dream that someday we'll have honest and > courageous > and hard-working and competent people in Congress is if they don't > have to sacrifice > their financial security. The pension is cheap at the price and we > should concentrate > on electing people to the post who can actually earn it. Lawrence > Lessig points out > Congress is our most directly democratic federal institution since its > members are > elected every 2 years and you can actually visit your Rep. He > believes that Congress > is corrupting itself and making itself irrelevant due of its > vulnerability to influence > through campaign contributions. Cutting the perks will only cause > further > deterioration, as only crooks, fools, and fanatics will run for the > office. > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 14 17:01:11 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:01:11 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Iran Allegations In-Reply-To: <4E98CBED.6060307@earthlink.net> References: <4E98CBED.6060307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E98CD47.5030209@earthlink.net> I am on the "Hands Off Iran" email list. It's a list for those who are concerned about the possibility of an attack on Iran. Not what you could call an unbiased group. Nevertheless, there have been a series of articles that question the official U.S. story about Iran. They make sense to me, and it seems the U.S. gov't's story is quite suspect. Even more than Colin Powell's presentation to the U.N. about Iraq's WMD. If anyone has any good evidence to corroborate the U.S. government's story, please let me know. ========= The original announcement: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15266992 ========= Questioning the story: http://m.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/10/would-iran-really-want-to-blow-up-the-saudi-ambassador-to-the-us/246505/ http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/10/11/iranian-terror-plot-fake-fake-fake/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/12/unanswered-questions-iranian-assassination-plot http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15280746 http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/201110121715573693.html http://www.juancole.com/2011/10/wagging-the-dog-with-irans-maxwell-smart.html http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/14-1 http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/14-9 http://news.yahoo.com/former-iran-assassin-says-alleged-plot--makes-no-sense-.html ============ Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 14 17:19:36 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:19:36 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Iran Allegations In-Reply-To: <4E98CD47.5030209@earthlink.net> References: <4E98CBED.6060307@earthlink.net> <4E98CD47.5030209@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E98D198.1040203@prodsyse.com> I don't know about good evidence, but Wednesday, Oct. 12, Charlie Rose interviewed John Miller and Roya Hakakian about Iran. "Hakakian is an Iranian-American poet, journalist and writer living in the United States. A lauded Persian poet turned television producer with programs like 60 Minutes, Roya became well known for her memoir, Journey from the Land of No in 2004. Her essays on Iranian issues appear in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and on NPR. Awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship in 2008, Roya published Assassins of the Turquoise Palace in 2011, a non-fiction account of the Mykonos restaurant assassinations of Iranian opposition leaders in Berlin" in 1992. Conclusion: I think it is naive to say that people in the Iranian government would not do such a thing. There is clearly evidence that they have. (I think it is also naive to suggest that the US government would not be capable of fabricating evidence for Kakaian to cite in her book.) I think the US reaction should be to strengthen the rule of international law. Unfortunately, the most likely result of this is to strengthen the hands of hawks who insist that the US government should be exempt from international law. Spencer On 10/14/2011 5:01 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > I am on the "Hands Off Iran" email list. It's a > list for those who are concerned about the possibility > of an attack on Iran. Not what you could call an > unbiased group. > > Nevertheless, there have been a series of articles > that question the official U.S. story about Iran. > They make sense to me, and it seems the U.S. gov't's > story is quite suspect. Even more than Colin Powell's > presentation to the U.N. about Iraq's WMD. > > If anyone has any good evidence to corroborate the > U.S. government's story, please let me know. > > ========= > > The original announcement: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15266992 > > ========= > > Questioning the story: > > http://m.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/10/would-iran-really-want-to-blow-up-the-saudi-ambassador-to-the-us/246505/ > > > http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/10/11/iranian-terror-plot-fake-fake-fake/ > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/12/unanswered-questions-iranian-assassination-plot > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15280746 > > http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/201110121715573693.html > > > http://www.juancole.com/2011/10/wagging-the-dog-with-irans-maxwell-smart.html > > > http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/14-1 > > http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/14-9 > > http://news.yahoo.com/former-iran-assassin-says-alleged-plot--makes-no-sense-.html > > > ============ > > Gerry > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Fri Oct 14 22:49:36 2011 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Important re: Congressional Perks In-Reply-To: References: <1318623851.60238.YahooMailRC@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1318657776.4888.YahooMailNeo@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The constitution also should not be used to micromanage the govt in the way that the drafters of this amendment are doing.? It is bad enough that the CA constitution has so many micromanaging features in it.? Let's not do that to the federal constitution. ? John Thielking From: Brian Good To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Important re: Congressional Perks ??? When I used to do concrete work I was schmoozing with the building inspector one afternoon and he told me that the inspectors are very highly paid to ensure that they are happy with their jobs and are not tempted to take bribes. ? ?? I don't think that anybody would be naive enough to claim that the pension keepsour Congresscritters honest, but I do think that removing the pension would virtuallyguarantee that new Congressional Reps' first priority would be casting about for opportunities to feather their nests.? If a Congressional Rep halfway does his or her job s/he is going to antagonize some very powerful people and interests and the future is very uncertain. ?? The only way we can even dream that someday we'll have honest and courageous and hard-working and competent people in Congress is if they don't have to sacrifice their financial security.? The pension is cheap at the price and we should concentrate on electing people to the post who can actually earn it.? Lawrence Lessig points out Congress is our most directly democratic federal institution since its members areelected every 2 years and you can actually visit your Rep.? He believes that Congress is corrupting itself and making itself irrelevant due of its vulnerability to influence through campaign contributions.?? Cutting the perks will only cause further deterioration, as only crooks, fools, and fanatics will run for the office. Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:24:11 -0700From: carolineyacoub at att.netTo: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.orgSubject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Important ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "PMich50979 at aol.com" To: carolineyacoub at att.net; gloriaz105 at cox.net Sent: Thu, October 13, 2011 6:01:49 AM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Important From: wworner at tampabay.rr.comTo: RSmith542 at Tampabay.rr.com, lionelax at hotmail.com, Tiggiemom at yahoo.com, Kentkat4 at aol.com, pmich50979 at AOL.com, KenandMJRockwood at aol.com, pes4610 at sbcglobal.net, January436 at Hotmail.com, bdiehl95124 at yahoo.comSent: 10/12/2011 7:48:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight TimeSubj: Fw: Important > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ralph Marsh >To: rmarsh34 at tampabay.rr.com >Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:01 PM >Subject: Important > > >? >? >Subject: New amendment >>>? >>>I have totally cleaned this e-mail from all other names, sending it to you in hopes you will keep it going and keep it clean. This is something I will fight for and I hope you all read it all the way through. You will be glad you did. >>> >>>The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971 ... before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc. >>> >>>Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land ... >>>? >>>all because of public pressure. >>> >>>I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. >>> >>>In three days, most people in The United States of Americawill have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around. >>> >>>Congressional Reform Act of 2011 >>> >>>1. No Tenure / No Pension. >>>? >>> >>>A Congressman collects a salary while in office >>>? >>>and receives no pay when they are out of office. >>> >>>2. Congress (past, present & future) participates >>>? >>>in Social Security. >>>? >>> >>>All funds in the Congressional retirement fund >>>? >>>move to the Social Security system immediately. >>>? >>>All future funds flow into the Social Security >>>? >>>system, and Congress participates with the >>>? >>>American people. It may not be used for any >>>? >>>other purpose. >>> >>>3. Congress can purchase their own retirement >>>? >>>plan, just as all Americans do. >>> >>>4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay >>>? >>>raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower >>>? >>>of CPI or 3%. >>> >>>5. Congress loses their current health care system >>>? >>>and participates in the same health care system >>>? >>>as the American people. >>> >>>6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they >>>? >>>impose on the American people. >>> >>>7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen >>>? >>>are void effective 1/1/12. >>>? >>> >>>The American people did not make these contracts >>>? >>>with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these >>>? >>>contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is >>>? >>>an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers >>>? >>>envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should >>>? >>>serve their term(s), then go home and back to >>>? >>>work. >>> >>> >>>If each person contacts a minimum of twenty >>>? >>>people then it will only take three days for >>>? >>>most people (in the U.S.) to receive the >>>? >>>message. Maybe it is time. >>> >>>THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!! >>> >>> >>> >>>If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete. >>> >>> >>>You are one of my 20+. Please keep it going. >>>? >>>? >>>? >>>? >>? >>?_______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discussPacific Daylight TimeSubj: Fw: Important ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Marsh To: rmarsh34 at tampabay.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:01 PM Subject: Important ? ? Subject: New amendment >>? >>I have totally cleaned this e-mail from all other names, sending it to you in hopes you will keep it going and keep it clean. This is something I will fight for and I hope you all read it all the way through. You will be glad you did. >> >>The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971 ... before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc. >> >>Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land ... >>? >>all because of public pressure. >> >>I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. >> >>In three days, most people in The United States of Americawill have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around. >> >>Congressional Reform Act of 2011 >> >>1. No Tenure / No Pension. >>? >> >>A Congressman collects a salary while in office >>? >>and receives no pay when they are out of office. >> >>2. Congress (past, present & future) participates >>? >>in Social Security. >>? >> >>All funds in the Congressional retirement fund >>? >>move to the Social Security system immediately. >>? >>All future funds flow into the Social Security >>? >>system, and Congress participates with the >>? >>American people. It may not be used for any >>? >>other purpose. >> >>3. Congress can purchase their own retirement >>? >>plan, just as all Americans do. >> >>4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay >>? >>raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower >>? >>of CPI or 3%. >> >>5. Congress loses their current health care system >>? >>and participates in the same health care system >>? >>as the American people. >> >>6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they >>? >>impose on the American people. >> >>7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen >>? >>are void effective 1/1/12. >>? >> >>The American people did not make these contracts >>? >>with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these >>? >>contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is >>? >>an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers >>? >>envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should >>? >>serve their term(s), then go home and back to >>? >>work. >> >> >>If each person contacts a minimum of twenty >>? >>people then it will only take three days for >>? >>most people (in the U.S.) to receive the >>? >>message. Maybe it is time. >> >>THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!! >> >> >> >>If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete. >> >> >>You are one of my 20+. Please keep it going. >>? >>? >>? >>? >? >? _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 14 23:19:42 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:19:42 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item Message-ID: <4E9925FE.4030301@sbcglobal.net> The Californians for Justice have confirmed that they will make a presentation about their activities at our October 27-th meeting. So please set aside 15 minutes for their presentation and Q&A. They also plan to come for 10 or 15 minutes of the social hour. So I recommend that we all arrive on time. Even better would be to come for the social hour. From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat Oct 15 01:02:56 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:02:56 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Iran Allegations In-Reply-To: <4E98CD47.5030209@earthlink.net> References: <4E98CBED.6060307@earthlink.net> <4E98CD47.5030209@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E993E30.7030205@prodsyse.com> article supporting Gerry's conjecture http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/14-1 Spencer ####################################### I don't know about good evidence, but Wednesday, Oct. 12, Charlie Rose interviewed John Miller and Roya Hakakian about Iran. "Hakakian is an Iranian-American poet, journalist and writer living in the United States. A lauded Persian poet turned television producer with programs like 60 Minutes, Roya became well known for her memoir, Journey from the Land of No in 2004. Her essays on Iranian issues appear in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and on NPR. Awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship in 2008, Roya published Assassins of the Turquoise Palace in 2011, a non-fiction account of the Mykonos restaurant assassinations of Iranian opposition leaders in Berlin" in 1992. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 15 08:48:53 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:48:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "The Seven Biggest Economic Lies" Message-ID: <4E99AB65.1070809@earthlink.net> from Robert Reich, ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich ) the seven biggest economic lies ... Text: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/12-2 Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM5Ep9fS7Z0 Gerry From wrolley at charter.net Sat Oct 15 08:51:10 2011 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:51:10 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: An insidious threat to the Occupy Movement (Ismael Hossein-Zadeh, CounterPunch) In-Reply-To: <1318648955.86279.YahooMailNeo@web120013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1318648955.86279.YahooMailNeo@web120013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E99ABEE.6030109@charter.net> Good points to discuss OWS with your "progressive" Democratic friends. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: An insidious threat to the Occupy Movement (Ismael Hossein-Zadeh, CounterPunch) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:22:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McLarty Reply-To: Scott McLarty To: Scott McLarty (Bill Clinton was David Letterman's guest a few nights ago and did his "I feel your pain" routine when talking about Occupy Wall Street. He didn't mention his own role in enabling Wall Street's predatory lending schemes that triggered the Subprime Mortgage Crisis and 2008 economic meltdown: Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999 and blocked regulation of derivative and hedge fund trading (Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000). Clinton's actions were comparable to Reagan's deregulation of the Savings& Loan industry, which caused the S&L crisis in the 1980s. -- Scott) Beware the Democrats! An Insidious Threat to the Occupy Movement By ISMAEL HOSSEIN-ZADEH CounterPunch WEEKEND EDITION OCTOBER 14-16, 2011 http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/14/an-insidious-threat-to-the-occupy-movement/ The threat I am referring to is not that of being pepper-sprayed, arrested, beaten or imprisoned. It is a different type of threat: a stealthy challenger that while pretending to advance the goals of the Occupy Movement tends to undermine it from within?more or less like the proverbial elephant in the room. I am referring to the threat of preemption, or cooptation, posed by the Democratic Party and union officials. In light of their unsavory record of undermining the revolutionary energy of social movements, projections of sympathy for the anti-Wall Street protesters by the White House, the Democratic Party officials and union leaders can be viewed only with suspicion. Expressing sympathy for the protester, President Obama recently stated: ?I think people are frustrated, and the protesters are giving voice to a more broad-based frustration about how our financial system works.? At the same time he also defended the decision to bail out banks and other Wall Street speculators, arguing that the decision was necessitated by the need to salvage our financial system. It is obvious that, as usual, the president is talking from both side of his mouth. On the same day (October 6th) that the president projected sympathy for the protesters, Vice President Biden also expressed similar sentiments. Comparing the Wall Street protests with the Tea Party, he stated: ?The Tea Party started, why? TARP. They thought it was unfair ? we were bailing out the big guy.? The vice president?s reference to the Tea Party is by no means fortuitous; there are clear indications the Democrats are trying to utilize the Occupy movement the way the Republicans do the Tea Party. ?The mushrooming protests could be the start of a populist movement on the left that counterbalances the surge of the Tea Party on the right, and closes what some Democrats fear is an ?enthusiasm gap,?? reported the New York Times on Friday, October 7th. Projections of sympathy for the Occupy movement have not been limited to the White House. Many officials of the Democratic Party have either personally appeared at the Zuccotti Park to express support or sent statements of support for the protesters. Likewise, a number of union leaders joined a large protest rally held in New York City?s Foley Square on October 5th to show sympathy for the protesters. Then there are the liberal political pundits and media outlets such as theNew York Times that are also trying the build bridges between the Democratic Party and the Occupy movement in an effort to channel the protesters? energy to the party?s electoral machine. For example, theNew York Times? columnist Paul Krugman recently wrote: ?And there are real political opportunities here. Not, of course, for today?s Republicans. . . . But Democrats are being given what amounts to a second chance. The Obama administration squandered a lot of potential good will early on by adopting banker-friendly policies. . . . Now, however, Mr. Obama?s party has a chance for a do-over.? On the face of it there is nothing wrong with the Democratic Party officials or union leaders expressing support for the protesters. In light of their actual economic policies, however, that support can be characterized only as hypocritical. The Democrats are as much responsible for the economic problems that have triggered the protests as their Republican counterparts. The Obama administration has played an especially destructive role in pursuing a devastating neoliberal austerity agenda in term of bailing out the Wall Street gamblers, extending the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy, expanding the US wars of choice?and then cutting vital social spending to pay for the financial resources thus usurped. Equally blameworthy are union bureaucrats who have enabled the White House and the Congress in the implementation of such brutal austerity programs. Hollow posturing aside, the AFL-CIO has opposed neither the neoliberal austerity policies at home nor the imperialist wars of aggression abroad. Well-paid union officials have not even seriously challenged factory closures; nor have they earnestly resisted brutal cuts in workers? wages and benefits. In projecting sympathy for the Occupy Movement, the Democrats are essentially trying to have their cake and eat it too! Their efforts to express support for the protests can be interpreted only as opportunistic and utilitarian: to identify themselves with the rapidly spreading popular protests against the status quo, to mask the Obama administration?s neoliberal devotion to Wall Street, and to harness the energy of the protesters in order to garner their vote in the 2012 elections. If successful, this would not be the first time the Democratic Party would have derailed and dissipated social struggles for change; it has a long record of such policies of betrayal, going back all the way to the Populist Movement of the late 19th century. Barack Obama?s promise of change in the 2008 elections in pursuit of garnering the grassroots? vote was only the latest of the Democrats? strategy of playing the good cop in order to contain radical energy. Two years earlier they had managed to undermine a vigorous antiwar movement by voicing the protesters? demands to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan if they won the majority seats in the Congress. Having thus gained the control of both houses of the Congress in the mid-term election of 2006, they shamelessly backed away from their promise to antiwar voters. One can only hope that the Occupy Movement is armed with the knowledge of the Democratic Party?s record of cooptation and betrayal of radical movements; and will therefore chart a political movement of the working people and other grassroots independent of both parties of big business. 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Today, at the english language iranian web site http://www.presstv.com/detail/204689.html one can find the quotes What remains to be seen is whether the US will impose sanctions or at least mull imposing sanctions on European airlines like Lufthansa or KLM or the like for their role in this so-called "attempted assassination" for being connection flight carriers as no Iranian airline conducts flights to any US destination! and Turning back to the topic, the US says its sanctions target Iran's government companies and not civilians. It put the name of the state run Iran Air down on its sanction list five months ago and pressured the International Air Transport Association (IATA) to halt business with the airline recently. It is yet to answer however why it has included the privately owned Mahan Air on its list and who should care about the airline's more than 48000 /civilian/ Hadj pilgrims this year! From WB4D23 at aol.com Sat Oct 15 18:34:05 2011 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item Message-ID: <15008.682c35f8.3bcb8e8d@aol.com> Request 10 minutes for initial volunteers to attend the next GPCA General Assembly of Delegates in Los Angeles December 3rd-4th as GPSCC Delegates/Alternates and schedule our Plenary Agenda review meeting. Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 15 22:40:16 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:40:16 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpsmc-d] Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama? In-Reply-To: <4E9A6D75.8050708@earthlink.net> References: <4E9A6D75.8050708@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E9A6E40.8060206@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Here's this article in Counterpunch, which apparently was the original source: http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/13/is-it-immoral-to-vote-for-obama/ And here is a followup article by the same author: http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/14/bye-bye-barry/ Gerry Arlen Comfort wrote: > I wish everyone could see this article. > Mike whitney is expressing some of my views. > > - Arlen > > > *Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama?* > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29409.htm > *By Mike Whitney* > > October 15, 2011 "Information Clearing House > " --I don?t like mixing From paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 15:34:14 2011 From: paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com (Paul Engstrom) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:34:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpsmc-d] Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama? In-Reply-To: <4E9A6E40.8060206@earthlink.net> References: <4E9A6D75.8050708@earthlink.net> <4E9A6E40.8060206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: We need more discussions on electing better Congresspeople and supporting progressive caucus in Congress. If Obama had a strong progressive congress he would very likely bend to their power. He compromises to the strongest winds. More power to "occupy wall street movements" may their power and education of everyone--, everywhere increase!! Paul Los Altos,CA On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Here's this article in Counterpunch, which apparently > was the original source: > > http://www.counterpunch.org/**2011/10/13/is-it-immoral-to-** > vote-for-obama/ > > > And here is a followup article by the same author: > > http://www.counterpunch.org/**2011/10/14/bye-bye-barry/ > > Gerry > > > > Arlen Comfort wrote: > >> I wish everyone could see this article. >> Mike whitney is expressing some of my views. >> >> - Arlen >> >> >> *Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama?* >> http://www.**informationclearinghouse.info/**article29409.htm >> *By Mike Whitney* >> >> October 15, 2011 "Information Clearing House >> >> **>" --I don?t like mixing >> > ______________________________**_________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-**discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sun Oct 16 16:31:08 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:31:08 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [gpsmc-d] Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama? In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A6D75.8050708@earthlink.net>, <4E9A6E40.8060206@earthlink.net>, , Message-ID: I want to see a graphic showing the #ows ballerina twriling on top of the Capitol. There'a a move afoot to recruit 6 able primary challengers to Obama. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/09/19-7 Endorsers include Ellen H. Brown, Peter Coyote Ronnie Duggerer Chris Hedges Jonathan Kozol Lewis LaphamRabbi Michael Lerner Ralph Nader Michael Parenti Gore Vidal Harvey Wasserman Cornel West Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:34:14 -0700 From: paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com To: gerrygras at earthlink.net CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpsmc-d] Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama? We need more discussions on electing better Congresspeople and supporting progressive caucus in Congress. If Obama had a strong progressive congress he would very likely bend to their power. He compromises to the strongest winds. More power to "occupy wall street movements" may their power and education of everyone--, everywhere increase!! Paul Los Altos,CA On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: -------- Original Message -------- Here's this article in Counterpunch, which apparently was the original source: http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/13/is-it-immoral-to-vote-for-obama/ And here is a followup article by the same author: http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/14/bye-bye-barry/ Gerry Arlen Comfort wrote: I wish everyone could see this article. Mike whitney is expressing some of my views. - Arlen *Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama?* http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29409.htm *By Mike Whitney* October 15, 2011 "Information Clearing House " --I don?t like mixing _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 17 07:22:19 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:22:19 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpsmc-d] Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama? In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A6D75.8050708@earthlink.net> <4E9A6E40.8060206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E9C3A1B.6070008@prodsyse.com> During Obama's first two years, he had Democratic majorities in both the House and the Senate. During that period, he expanded the war from Irak and Afghanistan into Pakistan. He failed to close Guantanamo. He continued and perhaps expanded the use of torture and extraordinary renditions. His selected arch right wingers as economic advisers and happily used the economic crisis as an excuse for more welfare for the banks without any serious move towards reregulation or prosecuting those guilty of conspiring to commit fraud in encouraging thousands and probably millions of people to purger themselves on loan applications, then confiscating their homes in fraudulent ways when they didn't make their loan payments. You are correct that he did not have an army of people in the streets like Occupy Wall Street or the Bonus Army of 1932 and 1933 actively pushing the Democrats to actually pass legislation. Instead, they invented the need for a super majority in the Senate so they wouldn't have to be bothered at all with right wing filibusters. This gave them an excuse to continue clandestinely serving the big money while complaining the "couldn't" pass legislation. If the Occupy movement had started in 2008, the history of the past 3 years could have been different. Spencer On 10/16/2011 3:34 PM, Paul Engstrom wrote: > We need more discussions on electing better Congresspeople and > supporting progressive caucus in Congress. > If Obama had a strong progressive congress he would very likely bend > to their power. He compromises to the strongest winds. > More power to "occupy wall street movements" may their power and > education of everyone--, everywhere increase!! > > Paul > Los Altos,CA > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Gerry Gras > wrote: > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Here's this article in Counterpunch, which apparently > was the original source: > > http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/13/is-it-immoral-to-vote-for-obama/ > > > And here is a followup article by the same author: > > http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/14/bye-bye-barry/ > > Gerry > > > > Arlen Comfort wrote: > > I wish everyone could see this article. > Mike whitney is expressing some of my views. > > - Arlen > > > *Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama?* > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29409.htm > *By Mike Whitney* > > October 15, 2011 "Information Clearing House > " --I don't like mixing > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.means at electric-bikes.com Mon Oct 17 07:31:28 2011 From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:31:28 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move to Amend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1318861888.2240.29.camel@robs-laptop> Trying to manage Congress-critters is addressing the symptoms. Spencer's Constitutional approach attacks the source of our problems - control of our government by corporate/moneyed interests. Although I believe that Spencer's two rules are exactly what we need, I am less sure that we need two Amendments rather than one that incorporates both. -- Rob Means,1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913 408-262-0420h, 408-262-8975w, rob.means at electric-bikes.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:53:14 -0700 > From: Spencer Graves > To: sosfbay-discuss > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move to Amend > Hello: > I think we need two constitutional amendments. > 1. "A corporation is not a person." > 2. "Money is not speech." > > If me combine these with each other or with anything else, we > will make it easier for the powerful to defeat them. I'm not an > attorney, but I think constitutional amendments with this verbiage will > dramatically overturn the Supreme Court's Citizen's United decision in a > way that will allow congress to pass effective campaign finance > legislation. They still won't do it unless the public demands it, but > that's another issue. I think term limits are a bad idea, because they > deprive an electoral body of legislative memory, thereby giving more > power to lobbyists -- the opposite of what we need. > > > Spencer From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 17 07:55:48 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:55:48 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move to Amend In-Reply-To: <1318861888.2240.29.camel@robs-laptop> References: <1318861888.2240.29.camel@robs-laptop> Message-ID: <4E9C41F4.3060203@prodsyse.com> My logic for two constitutional amendments is that I believe it would be easier for the establishment to defeat (or subvert) one than two. Either one is valuable by itself, and it would be harder, I think, for the establishment to defeat both separately than together. Spencer On 10/17/2011 7:31 AM, Rob Means wrote: > Trying to manage Congress-critters is addressing the symptoms. > Spencer's Constitutional approach attacks the source of our problems - > control of our government by corporate/moneyed interests. > > Although I believe that Spencer's two rules are exactly what we need, I > am less sure that we need two Amendments rather than one that > incorporates both. > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 17 10:21:10 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:21:10 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] literature content Message-ID: <4E9C6406.6030806@sbcglobal.net> Spencer's recent posting, included below, could, in my opinion, be the backbone of one of our flyers. What do you think? During Obama's first two years, he had Democratic majorities in both the House and the Senate. During that period, he expanded the war from Irak and Afghanistan into Pakistan. He failed to close Guantanamo. He continued and perhaps expanded the use of torture and extraordinary renditions. His selected arch right wingers as economic advisers and happily used the economic crisis as an excuse for more welfare for the banks without any serious move towards reregulation or prosecuting those guilty of conspiring to commit fraud in encouraging thousands and probably millions of people to purger themselves on loan applications, then confiscating their homes in fraudulent ways when they didn't make their loan payments. You are correct that he did not have an army of people in the streets like Occupy Wall Street or the Bonus Army of 1932 and 1933 actively pushing the Democrats to actually pass legislation. Instead, they invented the need for a super majority in the Senate so they wouldn't have to be bothered at all with right wing filibusters. This gave them an excuse to continue clandestinely serving the big money while complaining the "couldn't" pass legislation. If the Occupy movement had started in 2008, the history of the past 3 years could have been different. Spencer From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 17 10:39:34 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:39:34 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] literature content In-Reply-To: <4E9C6406.6030806@sbcglobal.net> References: <4E9C6406.6030806@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4E9C6856.3060202@prodsyse.com> Perhaps it could begin, "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary ... ." On 10/17/2011 10:21 AM, Jim Doyle wrote: > Spencer's recent posting, included below, could, > in my opinion, be the backbone of one of our flyers. > > What do you think? > > During Obama's first two years, he had Democratic majorities in > both the House and the Senate. During that period, he expanded the war > from Irak and Afghanistan into Pakistan. He failed to close > Guantanamo. He continued and perhaps expanded the use of torture and > extraordinary renditions. His selected arch right wingers as economic > advisers and happily used the economic crisis as an excuse for more > welfare for the banks without any serious move towards reregulation or > prosecuting those guilty of conspiring to commit fraud in encouraging > thousands and probably millions of people to purger themselves on loan > applications, then confiscating their homes in fraudulent ways when they > didn't make their loan payments. > > > You are correct that he did not have an army of people in the > streets like Occupy Wall Street or the Bonus Army of 1932 and 1933 > actively pushing the Democrats to actually pass legislation. Instead, > they invented the need for a super majority in the Senate so they > wouldn't have to be bothered at all with right wing filibusters. This > gave them an excuse to continue clandestinely serving the big money > while complaining the "couldn't" pass legislation. If the Occupy > movement had started in 2008, the history of the past 3 years could have > been different. > > > Spencer > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 12:25:25 2011 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Next Green Party Meeting? In-Reply-To: <4E9C6856.3060202@prodsyse.com> References: <4E9C6406.6030806@sbcglobal.net> <4E9C6856.3060202@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <1318879525.32993.YahooMailNeo@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey, ? I just now re-examined the San Jose Peace Center calendar and discovered that the listing for the Green Party meeting for this week is garbled.? The listing shows up on Monday (today) but if you look at the time in the listing it says Thursday November 17 2011 6:30PM to Monday October 17 2011? 10PM.? Does this mean that we will be meeting for all eternity (from Nov 17, 2011?of this universe's existence until October 17th, 2011?of the next big bang) or is it just a mixup?? Are we meeting today at 6:30PM or not?? Thanks. ? John Thielking From: Spencer Graves To: Jim Doyle Cc: sosfbay discussion group Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] literature content Perhaps it could begin, "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary ... ." On 10/17/2011 10:21 AM, Jim Doyle wrote: > Spencer's recent posting, included below, could, > in my opinion, be the backbone of one of our flyers. > > What do you think? > >? ? ? During Obama's first two years, he had Democratic majorities in > both the House and the Senate.? During that period, he expanded the war > from Irak and Afghanistan into Pakistan.? He failed to close > Guantanamo.? He continued and perhaps expanded the use of torture and > extraordinary renditions.? His selected arch right wingers as economic > advisers and happily used the economic crisis as an excuse for more > welfare for the banks without any serious move towards reregulation or > prosecuting those guilty of conspiring to commit fraud in encouraging > thousands and probably millions of people to purger themselves on loan > applications, then confiscating their homes in fraudulent ways when they > didn't make their loan payments. > > >? ? ? You are correct that he did not have an army of people in the > streets like Occupy Wall Street or the Bonus Army of 1932 and 1933 > actively pushing the Democrats to actually pass legislation.? Instead, > they invented the need for a super majority in the Senate so they > wouldn't have to be bothered at all with right wing filibusters.? This > gave them an excuse to continue clandestinely serving the big money > while complaining the "couldn't" pass legislation.? If the Occupy > movement had started in 2008, the history of the past 3 years could have > been different. > > >? ? ? Spencer > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph:? 408-655-4567 web:? www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 17 12:46:18 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:46:18 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Next Green Party Meeting? In-Reply-To: <1318879525.32993.YahooMailNeo@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4E9C6406.6030806@sbcglobal.net> <4E9C6856.3060202@prodsyse.com> <1318879525.32993.YahooMailNeo@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E9C860A.5040509@prodsyse.com> Hi, Shelby et al.: The next to Santa Clara Green Party meetings are Oct. 27 and Nov. 17, 6:30 - 10 PM. There is also an erroneous entry for today, which should be disregarded. Thanks to John for finding this. SHELBY: Could you please delete the reservation for a meeting today for the Green party from the Peace Center Calendar? It is goofy, as John noted below. Best Wishes, Spencer On 10/17/2011 12:25 PM, John Thielking wrote: > Hey, > I just now re-examined the San Jose Peace Center calendar and > discovered that the listing for the Green Party meeting for this week > is garbled. The listing shows up on Monday (today) but if you look at > the time in the listing it says Thursday November 17 2011 6:30PM to > Monday October 17 2011 10PM. Does this mean that we will be meeting > for all eternity (from Nov 17, 2011 of this universe's existence until > October 17th, 2011 of the next big bang) or is it just a mixup? Are > we meeting today at 6:30PM or not? Thanks. > John Thielking > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Mon Oct 17 15:07:03 2011 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] literature content Message-ID: <20111017220703.4A7D06A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us> It's 210 words, in two dense paragraphs, with complicated compound sentences. That's not gonna impress the twitter generation. How many of them even know what Guantanamo is? Can you boil it down to 140 characters? Sentences of less than 12 words? "In politics, if you're explaining, you're losing." And don't forget the spell check. purger s/b perjure. -Cameron >Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:21:10 -0700 >From: Jim Doyle >To: sosfbay discussion group >Subject: [GPSCC-chat] literature content >Spencer's recent posting, included below, could, >in my opinion, be the backbone of one of our flyers. >What do you think? > During Obama's first two years, he had Democratic majorities in >both the House and the Senate. During that period, he expanded the war >from Irak and Afghanistan into Pakistan. He failed to close >Guantanamo. He continued and perhaps expanded the use of torture and >extraordinary renditions. His selected arch right wingers as economic >advisers and happily used the economic crisis as an excuse for more >welfare for the banks without any serious move towards reregulation or >prosecuting those guilty of conspiring to commit fraud in encouraging >thousands and probably millions of people to purger themselves on loan >applications, then confiscating their homes in fraudulent ways when they >didn't make their loan payments. > You are correct that he did not have an army of people in the >streets like Occupy Wall Street or the Bonus Army of 1932 and 1933 >actively pushing the Democrats to actually pass legislation. Instead, >they invented the need for a super majority in the Senate so they >wouldn't have to be bothered at all with right wing filibusters. This >gave them an excuse to continue clandestinely serving the big money >while complaining the "couldn't" pass legislation. If the Occupy >movement had started in 2008, the history of the past 3 years could have >been different. > Spencer From snug.bug at hotmail.com Mon Oct 17 16:06:19 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:06:19 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] literature content In-Reply-To: <20111017220703.4A7D06A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us> References: <20111017220703.4A7D06A9B0@truffula.sj.ca.us> Message-ID: I would like to add that Obama's Justice Department has asserted state secrets privileges in court far beyond what Bush did, and he aggressively extended executive power beyond Bush's by not only claiming the right to assassinate U.S. citizens, but by actually doing so. > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:07:03 -0700 > From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] literature content > > > It's 210 words, in two dense paragraphs, with complicated > compound sentences. > That's not gonna impress the twitter generation. > How many of them even know what Guantanamo is? > Can you boil it down to 140 characters? > Sentences of less than 12 words? > > "In politics, if you're explaining, you're losing." > > And don't forget the spell check. purger s/b perjure. > > -Cameron > > > > >Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:21:10 -0700 > >From: Jim Doyle > >To: sosfbay discussion group > >Subject: [GPSCC-chat] literature content > > >Spencer's recent posting, included below, could, > >in my opinion, be the backbone of one of our flyers. > > >What do you think? > > > During Obama's first two years, he had Democratic majorities in > >both the House and the Senate. During that period, he expanded the war > >from Irak and Afghanistan into Pakistan. He failed to close > >Guantanamo. He continued and perhaps expanded the use of torture and > >extraordinary renditions. His selected arch right wingers as economic > >advisers and happily used the economic crisis as an excuse for more > >welfare for the banks without any serious move towards reregulation or > >prosecuting those guilty of conspiring to commit fraud in encouraging > >thousands and probably millions of people to purger themselves on loan > >applications, then confiscating their homes in fraudulent ways when they > >didn't make their loan payments. > > > > You are correct that he did not have an army of people in the > >streets like Occupy Wall Street or the Bonus Army of 1932 and 1933 > >actively pushing the Democrats to actually pass legislation. Instead, > >they invented the need for a super majority in the Senate so they > >wouldn't have to be bothered at all with right wing filibusters. This > >gave them an excuse to continue clandestinely serving the big money > >while complaining the "couldn't" pass legislation. If the Occupy > >movement had started in 2008, the history of the past 3 years could have > >been different. > > > > Spencer > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Oct 17 22:37:49 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:37:49 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tax the Rich Banner Message-ID: <4E9D10AD.4030900@earthlink.net> Remember the huge "Impeach Now" banner photographed from the air? At Ocean Beach, SF? Well, they are going to do the same thing soon, except it will be "Tax the Rich". Saturday, October 29. http://www.humanbannersf.com/ Gerry P.S. If you look at the photo, you might see that the "C" is pink, and the "!" is orange. That's because Code Pink did the "C" and "World Can't Wait" did the "!". From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 18 00:03:44 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:03:44 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tax the Rich Banner In-Reply-To: <4E9D10AD.4030900@earthlink.net> References: <4E9D10AD.4030900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: And if you cliick to enlarge and look on the sidewalk opposite the left leg of the "W" you'll see my 14' tall representation of the 9/11 Commission report full of holes. I think "Tax the Rich" is vulnerable to the counterargument that this would be of little practical value. I'd like to see a transaction tax graduated for the magnitude of the transactions--so that when speculators buy and sell huge quantities of securities to profit from (possibly manufactured) blips in the market, they face confiscatory taxes. Back in July Dr. Sharat Lin gave a lecture at SJPJC challenging the myth that speculators stabilize the markets. As I recall he showed that speculation actually exaggerates market blips. > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:37:49 -0700 > From: gerrygras at earthlink.net > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tax the Rich Banner > > > Remember the huge "Impeach Now" banner photographed from > the air? At Ocean Beach, SF? > > Well, they are going to do the same thing soon, except it > will be "Tax the Rich". Saturday, October 29. > > http://www.humanbannersf.com/ > > Gerry > > P.S. If you look at the photo, you might see that the "C" > is pink, and the "!" is orange. That's because Code Pink > did the "C" and "World Can't Wait" did the "!". > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 18 00:38:10 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:38:10 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tax the Rich Banner In-Reply-To: References: <4E9D10AD.4030900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E9D2CE2.7020007@earthlink.net> Brian Good wrote: > > And if you cliick to enlarge and look on the sidewalk opposite the left > leg of the > "W" you'll see my 14' tall representation of the 9/11 Commission report full > of holes. > > I think "Tax the Rich" is vulnerable to the counterargument that this would > be of little practical value. Why is that? > I'd like to see a transaction tax > graduated for the > magnitude of the transactions--so that when speculators buy and sell > huge quantities of securities to profit from (possibly manufactured) > blips in > the market, they face confiscatory taxes. There is the Tobin Tax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobin_tax According to this page, Tobin was talking about a tax for currency exchanges. And others have carried that idea to the stock market. ... And in the "Tobin's concept" page, it says Tobin got the idea from Keynes. "Keynes' concept stems from 1936 when he proposed that a transaction tax should be levied on dealings on Wall Street, where he argued that excessive speculation by uninformed financial traders increased volatility." Gerry > > Back in July Dr. Sharat Lin gave a lecture at SJPJC challenging the myth > that speculators stabilize the markets. As I recall he showed that > speculation > actually exaggerates market blips. I have seen an article in the past few days arguing that speculators have driven up the cost of food, causing hunger (and starvation?). Hmm, can I find it? ... Well, I can't find it, but maybe this will do: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-10/economists-call-for-crop-trading-limits-to-curb-volatility.html Gerry > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:37:49 -0700 > > From: gerrygras at earthlink.net > > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tax the Rich Banner > > > > > > Remember the huge "Impeach Now" banner photographed from > > the air? At Ocean Beach, SF? > > > > Well, they are going to do the same thing soon, except it > > will be "Tax the Rich". Saturday, October 29. > > > > http://www.humanbannersf.com/ > > > > Gerry > > > > P.S. If you look at the photo, you might see that the "C" > > is pink, and the "!" is orange. That's because Code Pink > > did the "C" and "World Can't Wait" did the "!". > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 18 07:56:14 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:56:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] About OWS "Messaging" In-Reply-To: <4E9D8F98.9010304@earthlink.net> References: <4E9D8F98.9010304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E9D938E.3070105@earthlink.net> There is a debate going on about what OWS should be doing re messaging, with some contradictory suggestions. I think this article is well worth reading because it talks about the history of messaging of resistance movements. And it refutes some arguments I have heard elsewhere: "The search for a message" http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/10/the-search-for-a-message/ http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/18-4 ... If the article is too long, I suggest you at least read the last two paragraphs. ... The last sentence says "Those of us involved in civil resistance have as one of our most important of tasks communicating with the people that we want to reach." That raises a question in my mind. Who does OWS want to reach? I know that the 1% want OWS to talk to them in a language that the 1% understands. (Presumably so they can "deal" with it with minimal changes and move on.) Off hand, I think OWS should be working on talking to the 99% more than talking to the 1%. It has had a lot of success there: "New Yorkers Support #OccupyWallStreet And Want Millionaire's Tax" http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/17-10 Gerry From carolineyacoub at att.net Tue Oct 18 08:36:45 2011 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 08:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [gpsmc-d] Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama? In-Reply-To: References: <4E9A6D75.8050708@earthlink.net>, <4E9A6E40.8060206@earthlink.net>, , Message-ID: <1318952205.99244.YahooMailRC@web181016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> We can't fix Obama. I know some of y'all voted for him, but I'll say what I said before the election --WHERE IS HE FROM? He's from Illinois. Does the Illinois democratic machine support clean, clear-eyed, heroic candidates who will bravely lead us into a better future? Nope. And he isn't, and he hasn't, and he won't. ________________________________ From: Brian Good To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Sun, October 16, 2011 4:31:08 PM Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] [gpsmc-d] Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama? I want to see a graphic showing the #ows ballerina twriling on top of the Capitol. There'a a move afoot to recruit 6 able primary challengers to Obama. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/09/19-7 Endorsers include Ellen H. Brown,?Peter Coyote Ronnie Duggerer Chris Hedges Jonathan Kozol Lewis LaphamRabbi Michael Lerner Ralph Nader Michael Parenti Gore Vidal Harvey Wasserman Cornel West ________________________________ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:34:14 -0700 From: paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com To: gerrygras at earthlink.net CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpsmc-d] Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama? We need more discussions on electing better Congresspeople and supporting progressive caucus in Congress. If Obama had a strong progressive congress he would very likely bend to their power. He compromises to the strongest winds. More power to "occupy wall street movements" may their power and education of everyone--, everywhere increase!! Paul Los Altos,CA On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > >-------- Original Message -------- > > >Here's this article in Counterpunch, which apparently >was the original source: > >http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/13/is-it-immoral-to-vote-for-obama/ > > >And here is a followup article by the same author: > >http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/14/bye-bye-barry/ > >Gerry > > > >Arlen Comfort wrote: > >I wish everyone could see this article. >>Mike whitney is expressing some of my views. >> >>- Arlen >>? ? ? ? >> >>*Is It Immoral to Vote for Obama?* >>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29409.htm >>*By Mike Whitney* >> >>October 15, 2011 "Information Clearing House >>" --I don?t like mixing >>_______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Zero tolerance for calls for violence or overthrow of the government.) http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-wall-street-has-plans-for-a-coordinated-national-gathering-2011-10 https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/home/the-steps-to-non-violent-revolution https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/home NYC #OWS will find momentum flaggingt after Thanksgiving unless they can find shelter. If they are allowed to rent a gym or a theater for communal living, that would undercut in a truly revolutionary way the system that keeps us all scrambling to survive--the one that demands that we rent inefficient and overly-consumptive isolated living units, or live on the streets. I have a hard time believing they will be allowed to rent or squat in a communal place. No efficient communal middle way is allowed. So when winter comes, the #OWS's center of gravity may shift to California. 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He is number 12 in an international ranking of economists; Stiglitz is number 2 and Krugman is number 14 on that same list. However, I'm with Stiglitz, Krugman and many others on this. Spencer On 10/18/2011 12:03 AM, Brian Good wrote: > > And if you cliick to enlarge and look on the sidewalk opposite the > left leg of the > "W" you'll see my 14' tall representation of the 9/11 Commission > report full > of holes. > > I think "Tax the Rich" is vulnerable to the counterargument that > this would > be of little practical value. I'd like to see a transaction tax > graduated for the > magnitude of the transactions--so that when speculators buy and sell > huge quantities of securities to profit from (possibly manufactured) > blips in > the market, they face confiscatory taxes. > > Back in July Dr. Sharat Lin gave a lecture at SJPJC challenging the > myth > that speculators stabilize the markets. As I recall he showed that > speculation > actually exaggerates market blips. > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:37:49 -0700 > > From: gerrygras at earthlink.net > > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tax the Rich Banner > > > > > > Remember the huge "Impeach Now" banner photographed from > > the air? At Ocean Beach, SF? > > > > Well, they are going to do the same thing soon, except it > > will be "Tax the Rich". Saturday, October 29. > > > > http://www.humanbannersf.com/ > > > > Gerry > > > > P.S. If you look at the photo, you might see that the "C" > > is pink, and the "!" is orange. 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For transparency, please send agenda items and changes to this list: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org.? Include the name of the presenter and the amount of time needed. At the end of the September meeting we had two potential guest speakers for October.? Has one of them been confirmed yet?? When that happens, please send an email to this list so I can update the agenda. Here's what I have so far: === Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 === Location:? San Jose Peace & Justice Center, 48 S 7th St, San Jose 7:00 PM? Social time: practice one-minute speeches, eat, chat, etc. 7:30 PM? Begin meeting *? Guest speaker: either (a) someone from Californians for Justice or (b) Masao Suzuki ? ? ? 15 min (total, including Q & A) *? Choose facilitator, note taker, timekeeper, vibes watcher, November agenda preparer, November one-minute speakers ? ? ? 2 min *? Introductions and short announcements ? ? ? 10 min *? Revise and affirm agenda ? ? ? 4 min *? Treasurer's report, pass the hat ? ? ? 4 min, Jim Doyle *? Movie Night ? ? ? 6 min, Merriam Kathaleen *? Make a decision on a speaker for November meeting ? ? ? 4 min, group *? Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) ? ? ? 3 min, Jim Doyle *? Fair and equitable taxation (carried over from September agenda) ? ? ? 3 min, Jim Doyle *? GPCA General Assembly Dec. 3-4: select delegates & alternates; schedule packet review meeting ? ? ? 5 min, Warner Bloomberg? Respectfully, Valerie Face ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e96501b7cf2a0cfe6st04vuc _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 18 21:17:59 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:17:59 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for Agenda Items for October 27 Meeting In-Reply-To: <1318996377.31453.YahooMailRC@web181011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20111012.194137.32333.0@webmail53.vgs.untd.com>, <1318996377.31453.YahooMailRC@web181011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd like to add a request for consideration of endorsement by GPSCC of the California Disclose Act, an act that will come up in January in the CA legislature which provides that political ads must honestly and transparently disclose who their top funders are. No more "Paid for by California Consortium for Fairness and Lower Taxes" BS. The actual corporate sponsors would have to reveal themselves on newspaper, TV, and radio ads. I may not be able to make the 10/27 meeting myself. Gerry is fairly conversant in the Disclose act. Here's more information, so if I can't make it maybe somebody else can run it forward: http://www.caclean.org/ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:52:57 -0700 From: carolineyacoub at att.net To: vdf at juno.com CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Request for Agenda Items for October 27 Meeting Hi Valerie, Merriam and I have two items we would like to add: Move to Amend--do we want to sign on? 5 minutes, Merriam and Caroline Bank of America--let's do it again on November 4. 5 minutes, Merriam and Caroline From: Valerie D. Face To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Wed, October 12, 2011 7:41:37 PM Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for Agenda Items for October 27 Meeting Hi everyone, I volunteered to prepare the agenda for our October meeting. For transparency, please send agenda items and changes to this list: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org. Include the name of the presenter and the amount of time needed. At the end of the September meeting we had two potential guest speakers for October. Has one of them been confirmed yet? When that happens, please send an email to this list so I can update the agenda. Here's what I have so far: === Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 === Location: San Jose Peace & Justice Center, 48 S 7th St, San Jose 7:00 PM Social time: practice one-minute speeches, eat, chat, etc. 7:30 PM Begin meeting * Guest speaker: either (a) someone from Californians for Justice or (b) Masao Suzuki 15 min (total, including Q & A) * Choose facilitator, note taker, timekeeper, vibes watcher, November agenda preparer, November one-minute speakers 2 min * Introductions and short announcements 10 min * Revise and affirm agenda 4 min * Treasurer's report, pass the hat 4 min, Jim Doyle * Movie Night 6 min, Merriam Kathaleen * Make a decision on a speaker for November meeting 4 min, group * Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) 3 min, Jim Doyle * Fair and equitable taxation (carried over from September agenda) 3 min, Jim Doyle * GPCA General Assembly Dec. 3-4: select delegates & alternates; schedule packet review meeting 5 min, Warner Bloomberg? 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Even better would be to come for the social hour. ------------------------------ From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Oct 19 20:12:20 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:12:20 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] If a Republican Were President, Millions Would be Marching Message-ID: Robert Scheer: "If a Republican were president, there would be millions of properly coiffed middle-class Democrats and independents at those Occupy Wall Street marches, and no questions asked as to what they really want. With 25 million Americans unable to find full-time work... and an all-time high of 46.2 million ... living in poverty, the call to throw the bums out would be compelling.... Instead, we're left with a Democratic president who soothes our rage with promises of decent-paying jobs that in actuality are being vigorously exported from our shores by the president's top corporate backers.... Obama has failed not because he is a progressive in the mold of Franklin Delano Roosevelt but because he is not. He has blindly followed the lead of George W. Bush in bankrupting the nation by throwing money at Wall Street while continuing to fund wildly expensive and unneeded wars." He concludes that a Republican president would recommit to the Project for a New American Century agenda of Pax Americana, but that more Obama would be nothing but "slow torture" and he prefers to support #OWS as "an inspiring alternative." http://www.thenation.com/article/163967/if-republican-were-president -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 19 22:55:42 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:55:42 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Message-ID: <4E9FB7DE.1020507@sbcglobal.net> 1) election year infrastructure planning 20 min up to date flyers target audience database customer contact software voter registration get out the vote events and venues aim for the 5% thresh(h)old 2) getting recent contacts (13) involved 10 min from Foothill College, Bank of America, etc. (movie night?) 3) electing county council 5 min From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Thu Oct 20 15:32:12 2011 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] #OWS Proposal for National Assembly 7/4/12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1319149932.21677.YahooMailNeo@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does the ban on calling for overthrow of the govt mean that we can't change the name to Decolonize (Your City)?? Not that I personally would intend to overthrow the govt, but?such a call?could naturally grow out of such a name change.? Just as I was getting started.... oh well.... ? John Thielking ? From: Brian Good To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: [GPSCC-chat] #OWS Proposal for National Assembly 7/4/12 2 delegates (one male, one female) to be elected from each congressional district to attend a #OWS National Assembly and settle on a list of demands for Congress. The congress elected 11/12 will be given one year to put the demands into action. Failure to do so will result in a demand for mass resignations and election of replacement congressional representatives. Formation of a new third party is proposed as well. (Zero tolerance for calls for violence or overthrow of the government.) http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-wall-street-has-plans-for-a-coordinated-national-gathering-2011-10 https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/home/the-steps-to-non-violent-revolution https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/home ?? NYC #OWS will find momentum flaggingt after Thanksgiving unless they can find shelter.? If they are allowed to rent a gym or a theater for communal living, that would undercut in a truly revolutionary way the system that keeps us all scrambling to survive--the one that demands that we rent inefficient and overly-consumptive isolated living units, or live on the streets.? I have a hard time believing they will be allowed to rent or squat in a communal place.?? No efficient communal middle way is allowed. ? So when winter comes, the #OWS's center of gravity may shift to California.?? 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URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 21 08:39:07 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:39:07 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Jose IN JAIL starting 3:00 am Friday morning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA1921B.7050604@prodsyse.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Occupy San Jose Busted 3:00 am Friday morning Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:20:19 -0700 From: Richard Hobbs To: ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Daniel Mayfield *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2011 6:41 AM *Subject:* [SBM] Occupy San Jose Busted 3:00 am Friday morning See the below note from Tom on the OSJ legal team At 3 am 8 police officers (on overtime?) and 5 police cars arrested and transported to county jail the protestors outside city hall in San Jose One person in a wheel chair was cited and released the others were all taken to jail in apparent violation of PC 853.6(i) More importantly all of their belongings were taken by the Police. Because of cut backs the SJPD property room is not open until Tuesday IF the individuals taken to the jail are not released from the jail ( and the DOC does a better job on releasing felons than they do for those in on a misdemeanor) the they will have to stay in custody until at least Monday and probably Tuesday. This was clearly a coordinated well thought out plan. The day was picked (Friday morning) on purpose and the confiscation of the food , money , tents, was no accident. Please remember that the city has on at least two other occasions allowed people to "occupy" the city plaza area where they have been in agreement with the content of the protestors speech. Here since the city was threatened by the content of the speech the city has chosen to selectively enforce the ordinance. theordinance itself is probably unconstitutional because it does not contain a process for granting a waiver of the fees associated with free speech rights PLEASE DISTRIBUTE THIS MESSAGE -- NOTE THIS IS NOT JUST BEING SENT TO LAWYERS. MEDIA AND OTHER INTERESTED PEOPLE ARE INCLUDED. HENCE IT IS NOT A SECURE LIST. LAWYERS INTERESTED IN WORKING ON THE CASE CONTACT ME OR THE OSJ LEGAL TEAM AT MY OFFICE Daniel M Mayfield Carpenter and Mayfield Phone (408) 287-1916. Fax (408) 287-9857 This message is for the intended recipient only. It is from the law offices of CARPENTER AND MAYFIELD. Any interception, detection, infection, inspection, hoodoo, voodoo, sneak and peak, or any other unethical or unconstitutional spying on the part of the U.S. Department of Justice, Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, NSA, or any other alphabet agency, is strictly prohibited. Violators will be prosecuted, punished, and publicized. If you have received this email in error please destroy it and let me know of my mistake. Thank you for your cooperation Begin forwarded message: > *From:* Thomas Higgins > > *Date:* October 21, 2011 4:37:13 AM PDT > *To:* osj-legal at lists.collectorsforum.org > > *Subject:* *[OSJ--Legal] OSJ in jail* > *Reply-To:* OSJ Legal Committee > > > Cracker, Jerome, and about ten occupiers were arrested, placed into a > paddy wagon, and transported to jail. Elaine and I are going to try to > salvage the tents, etc. > Legal may need to take further action re jail. Press. > More later. > > _______________________________________________ > OSJ-Legal mailing list > OSJ-Legal at lists.collectorsforum.org > > http://lists.collectorsforum.org/mailman/listinfo/osj-legal > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 21 14:34:24 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:34:24 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 4 PM PROTEST DEFENDING OCCUPY SAN JOSE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA1E560.5060300@earthlink.net> FYI, Gerry P.S. More info at http://occupysj.org/ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 4 PM PROTEST DEFENDING OCCUPY SAN JOSE Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:47:07 -0700 From: Richard Hobbs To: THERE WILL BE A PROTEST TODAY AT CITY HALL AT 4 PM DUE TO THE CITY'S ACTIONS AGAINST OCCUPY SAN JOSE LAST NIGHT. *PLEASE BE THERE!* From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 21 20:44:55 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:44:55 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Message-ID: <4EA23C37.4030501@sbcglobal.net> 3 one minute reports, one on the Registrar of Voters, the other two on protest actions. From vdf at juno.com Fri Oct 21 21:05:52 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 04:05:52 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for Agenda Items for October 27 Meeting Message-ID: <20111021.210552.18608.0@webmail55.vgs.untd.com> Hi Brian, How much time do you want for this agenda item? Thanks, Valerie Please note: message attached ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea241332b76494a241st03vuc -------------- next part -------------- I'd like to add a request for consideration of endorsement by GPSCC of the California Disclose Act, an act that will come up in January in the CA legislature which provides that political ads must honestly and transparently disclose who their top funders are. No more "Paid for by California Consortium for Fairness and Lower Taxes" BS. The actual corporate sponsors would have to reveal themselves on newspaper, TV, and radio ads. I may not be able to make the 10/27 meeting myself. Gerry is fairly conversant in the Disclose act. Here's more information, so if I can't make it maybe somebody else can run it forward: http://www.caclean.org/ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:52:57 -0700 From: carolineyacoub at att.net To: vdf at juno.com CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Request for Agenda Items for October 27 Meeting Hi Valerie, Merriam and I have two items we would like to add: Move to Amend--do we want to sign on? 5 minutes, Merriam and Caroline Bank of America--let's do it again on November 4. 5 minutes, Merriam and Caroline From: Valerie D. Face To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Wed, October 12, 2011 7:41:37 PM Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for Agenda Items for October 27 Meeting Hi everyone, I volunteered to prepare the agenda for our October meeting. For transparency, please send agenda items and changes to this list: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org. Include the name of the presenter and the amount of time needed. At the end of the September meeting we had two potential guest speakers for October. Has one of them been confirmed yet? When that happens, please send an email to this list so I can update the agenda. Here's what I have so far: === Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 === Location: San Jose Peace & Justice Center, 48 S 7th St, San Jose 7:00 PM Social time: practice one-minute speeches, eat, chat, etc. 7:30 PM Begin meeting * Guest speaker: either (a) someone from Californians for Justice or (b) Masao Suzuki 15 min (total, including Q & A) * Choose facilitator, note taker, timekeeper, vibes watcher, November agenda preparer, November one-minute speakers 2 min * Introductions and short announcements 10 min * Revise and affirm agenda 4 min * Treasurer's report, pass the hat 4 min, Jim Doyle * Movie Night 6 min, Merriam Kathaleen * Make a decision on a speaker for November meeting 4 min, group * Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) 3 min, Jim Doyle * Fair and equitable taxation (carried over from September agenda) 3 min, Jim Doyle * GPCA General Assembly Dec. 3-4: select delegates & alternates; schedule packet review meeting 5 min, Warner Bloomberg? Respectfully, Valerie Face ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e96501b7cf2a0cfe6st04vuc _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vdf at juno.com Fri Oct 21 21:09:04 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 04:09:04 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] resending an agenda item Message-ID: <20111021.210904.18608.1@webmail55.vgs.untd.com> Nope, I got it via the list on the 14th. Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:55:48 -0700 From: Jim Doyle To: sosfbay discussion group Subject: [GPSCC-chat] resending an agenda item Valerie, you must have missed this one: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:19:42 -0700 From: Jim Doyle To: sosfbay discussion group Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item Message-ID: <4E9925FE.4030301 at sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The Californians for Justice have confirmed that they will make a presentation about their activities at our October 27-th meeting. So please set aside 15 minutes for their presentation and Q&A. They also plan to come for 10 or 15 minutes of the social hour. So I recommend that we all arrive on time. Even better would be to come for the social hour. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea2422684546cde893st06vuc From vdf at juno.com Fri Oct 21 21:10:07 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 04:10:07 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Message-ID: <20111021.211007.18608.2@webmail55.vgs.untd.com> Hi Jim, What are the two protest actions? I would like to list them in the agenda. Thanks, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:44:55 -0700 From: Jim Doyle To: sosfbay discussion group Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items 3 one minute reports, one on the Registrar of Voters, the other two on protest actions. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea24263ad41fcdeaa7st04vuc From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 21 21:43:18 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:43:18 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] vet stands up against NYPD Message-ID: <4EA249E6.3050009@sbcglobal.net> Truthdig.org has a hero of the week http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/truthdigger_of_the_week_naomi_wolf_20111021/ but the real action is shown by the vet who received honorable mention but the honorable mention gets my vote if the link caught on video doesn't work, go to the above link and scroll down to where you find *Honorable Mention* On Oct. 15, the day Occupy Wall Street set aside as a day of action for the movement, U.S. Marine Corps. Sgt. Shamar Thomas was caught on video telling off New York police for being overly forceful with peaceful protesters. ?This is not a war zone,? he told officers, pointing to service badges on the military fatigues he opted to wear while protesting. ?These are unarmed U.S. citizens!? The passion Thomas displayed while confronting police seems to have hit a nerve with a lot of people because the video, after less than a week, has seen almost 2 million views. Truthdig reader Dory explained well the emotion that has seemed to fuel those millions of views: ?This remarkable young man protected his fellow citizens against the NYPD and won. God bless him for putting his life on the line for us all, both in Iraq and on the streets of New York. He is my new hero!? * * * * And yes, the police left! From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 22 22:56:02 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:56:02 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Obama's errors Message-ID: <4EA3AC72.30505@earthlink.net> FYI, A close look at Obama's errors: "President Obama?s 'Unforced Errors'? http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/22-7 Gerry From carolineyacoub at att.net Sun Oct 23 08:40:55 2011 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item Message-ID: <1319384455.8585.YahooMailRC@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Valerie, Spencer and I would like five minutes to discuss whether to demonstrate at BofA or Wells Fargo. Caroline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I can't imagine they would say, "No", but I plan to ask.) Best Wishes, Spencer On 10/23/2011 8:40 AM, Caroline Yacoub wrote: > Valerie, Spencer and I would like five minutes to discuss whether to > demonstrate at BofA or Wells Fargo. > Caroline > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From carolineyacoub at att.net Mon Oct 24 08:37:16 2011 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Hope you can make the next Health Care for All meeting this coming Thursday, Oct. 27 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1319470636.39735.YahooMailRC@web181019.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'd love to be there, but I wil be at the Holiday Peace Fair meeting from 3:00-5:00 and the Green Party meeting from 7:00--? Possibly someone else might make it. Caroline ________________________________ From: Lynn Huidekoper To: Lynn Huidekoper Sent: Sun, October 23, 2011 6:57:13 PM Subject: Hope you can make the next Health Care for All meeting this coming Thursday, Oct. 27 Health Care for All Meeting THURSDAY-October 27th 5:45-7:45 pm Eric?s Deli- 830 Kiely Blvd. Santa Clara, near Homestead Rd (Look for Neon ?Soup?s On? Sign) Welcome/Introductions Approval of minutes of last meeting- Larry Lozares Treasurer?s report- Bob Applebaum Membership report- Carol Dalrymple Legislative report- Lynn? Lobby Simitian to vote Yes on AB52 in January Website ?Joan Simon ????????? Chapter page update ????????? Facebook update? Yahoo group update- Larry Lozares SB810 Outreach Reports on events/talks- past month: ????????? 10/1 Day in the Park-Bob ????????? 10/6 Solidarity Event in SF Lynn, Joan, Carol ????????? 10/9 Humanist Society- Lynn ????????? 10/10 CRTA Luncheon-Panel-Rich Gordon, Lynn, HICAP Rep. ????????? BiNational event-Joan Simon ????????? 10/16 UU church-Carol ????????? Occupy San Jose- Carol, Joan S. ????????? 10/21 Campaign for a Healthy Calif. Kick-Off event-Lynn, Joan, Carol, Gerry,Bob ????????? What to do with all the names collected at these events-?Mailchimp Campaign for a Healthy California update -Lynn Fundraising ideas- HCA Buttons(?), Yellow T-shirts from Santa Barbara Communications Cmte. ????????? Discuss $250 contribution to NPR ad on Single Payer ????????? Order more brochures HCA Board Meeting ????????? Officer Elections ????????? Bylaws Changes Upcoming Talks, events ????????? Oct.? 30 Campbell Farmer?s Market Tabling with Marriage Equality ????????? AAUW-Morgan Hill? Talk 11/15 Lynn ????????? November 18,19 Abilities Expo ????????? CaHPSA Rally at the Capitol is Jan. 9, 2012 ????????? Dec. 3 Peace Fair-Joan S. Action Items * SB810 Endorsements-suggestion for each member to get 3 in next 2 months Announcements-Go around the table? * Grassroots for Democracy website- Gerry * Joint Meeting with Coalition Lynn Huidekoper, RN Co-Director Health Care for All California-Santa Clara County Co-Chair , Santa Clara County Single Payer Coalition Senator Mark Leno's Single Payer bill, SB810 John Conyer's Single Payer bill, HR 676 Menlo Park CA. http://www.healthcareforall.org/about-us/hca-chapters/santa-clara-%10-silicon-valley.html http://www.facebook.com/SantaClaraCountySinglePayerHealthCareCoalition http://www.facebook.com/HealthCareForAllCA 650-322-9609 Health Care is a Human Right -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Face) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:25:40 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item Message-ID: <20111024.162540.17606.0@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> Hi Jim, How much time do you want for this? Thanks, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:14:22 -0700 From: Jim Doyle To: sosfbay discussion group Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item approve $40 fee for a table at the holiday peace fair ask for volunteers to staff the table and the other chores of the day _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ Royal Caribbean® Rewards Inspire and Motivate Your Team with a Royal Caribbean® Cruise! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea5f451486fadba4c1st05vuc From vdf at juno.com Mon Oct 24 16:39:35 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:39:35 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Message-ID: <20111024.163935.17606.1@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> Hi Spencer, Movie night is already a standard agenda item. We agreed to that at our last meeting. How much Merriam want for "Greens doing buttons for Occupy" and "Move to Amend"? Thanks, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:55:12 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: GPSCC Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Please excuse: If not elsewhere mentioned: 3 items for Merriam: * Movie Night -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ Doctors' #1 Skin Cream Learn Doctors' #1 Wrinkle Cream Formula for Just $5 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea5f76ae8319101f638st02vuc From vdf at juno.com Mon Oct 24 16:47:02 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:47:02 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] more agenda items Message-ID: <20111024.164702.17606.2@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> Hi Jim, You already requested these items on the 19th. Could you please try to avoid sending duplicate items? It can make things confusing for me. Thanks, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:12:38 -0700 From: Jim Doyle To: sosfbay discussion group Subject: [GPSCC-chat] more agenda items 1) getting recent contacts (13 of them) involved 10 min from Foothill College, Bank of America, etc. (movie night?) 2) electing a county council 3) election year infrastructure planning 20 min _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ Doctors' #1 Skin Cream Learn Doctors' #1 Wrinkle Cream Formula for Just $5 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea5f952e400a10200e5st02vuc From vdf at juno.com Mon Oct 24 16:48:53 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:48:53 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Message-ID: <20111024.164853.17606.3@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> Oops! I meant to ask how much TIME Merriam needs. Sorry! Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Valerie D. Face" Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:39:35 GMT To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Hi Spencer, Movie night is already a standard agenda item. We agreed to that at our last meeting. How much Merriam want for "Greens doing buttons for Occupy" and "Move to Amend"? Thanks, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:55:12 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: GPSCC Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Please excuse: If not elsewhere mentioned: 3 items for Merriam: * Movie Night -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ Doctors' #1 Skin Cream Learn Doctors' #1 Wrinkle Cream Formula for Just $5 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea5f76ae8319101f638st02vuc _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From vdf at juno.com Mon Oct 24 17:17:25 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:17:25 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for Agenda Items for October 27 Meeting Message-ID: <20111024.171725.17606.4@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> Hi everyone, Here's what I have for the draft agenda so far. NOTE: We are missing times and descriptions for several items. Please send that information to this list. NOTE: A few (identical) duplicate agenda items were submitted, and some of the items below look very similar to each other (i.e., items related to Move to Amend and demonstrating at banks). Please review this draft and let me know if any of the similar-looking items should be consolidated. Please send all additions and changes to this list. Everything posted on this list by 7:30 PM on Wednesday, October 26 will be on the draft I bring to the meeting. If you don't make it by then, no worries -- we will revise and affirm the agenda at the meeting. === Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 === Location: San Jose Peace & Justice Center, 48 S 7th St, San Jose 7:00 PM Social time: practice one-minute speeches, eat, chat, etc. 7:30 PM Begin meeting * Choose facilitator, note taker, timekeeper, vibes watcher, November agenda preparer, November one-minute speakers 2 min * Introductions 3 min * Guest speaker from Californians for Justice 15 min (total including Q & A) * Short announcements 7 min * Revise and affirm agenda 4 min * Treasurer's report, pass the hat 4 min, Jim Doyle * Movie Night 6 min, Merriam Kathaleen * Make a decision on a speaker for November meeting 4 min, group * Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) 3 min, Jim Doyle * Fair and equitable taxation (carried over from September agenda) 3 min, Jim Doyle * Select initial delegates & alternates for GPCA General Assembly Dec. 3-4; schedule packet review meeting 10 min, Warner Bloomberg * Move To Amend: Do we want to sign on? 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub * Bank of America: Let's do it again on Friday, November 4. 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub * Endorsement of the California Disclose Act _____ TIME NEEDED, Brian Good * Election year infrastructure planning 20 min, Jim Doyle * Getting recent contacts (13) involved 10 min, Jim Doyle * Electing County Council 5 min, Jim Doyle * Report on the Registrar of Voters 1 min, Jim Doyle * Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED 1 min, Jim Doyle * Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED 1 min, Jim Doyle * Should we demonstrate at Bank of America or Wells Fargo? 5 min, Caroline Yacoub and Spencer Graves * Greens doing buttons for Occupy _____ TIME NEEDED, Merriam Kathaleen * Move to Amend _____ TIME NEEDED, Merriam Kathaleen * Holiday Peace Fair: Approve $40 table fee and recruit volunteers _____ TIME NEEDED, Jim Doyle Respectfully, Valerie Face ____________________________________________________________ Royal Caribbean® Meetings Meetings & Conference Areas For Any Occasion. Visit The Site For Info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea6003ae98eadbe0a2st04vuc From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 24 21:05:56 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:05:56 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Jose City Council Meetings Tuesdays, 1:30 & Thursdays, 7 PM Message-ID: <4EA635A4.2030800@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: There were more arrests at Occupy San Jose last night. If you can find the time, please come to the San Jose City Council Meeting any Tuesday, 1:30 PM and Thursday, 7 PM; check the agenda at "www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/agenda.asp" to make sure the meeting is not cancelled. (It seems to have a full agenda for tomorrow, Oct. 25.) Meetings generally include an Open Forum where people who give their name to the clerk before the meeting "usually" get 2 minutes to speak on whatever they want. Occupy City Council tomorrow & Thursday. The rules say you can bring a sign 2' x 3' but no sticks, etc. Betsy and I plan to be there tomorrow at 1:30 but may have to leave before the meeting is over. Spencer Graves -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From vdf at juno.com Mon Oct 24 22:15:39 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 05:15:39 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tomorrow Tu 10/25, 11:30-1:30, Rally at SF Obama fundraiser to Stop Ke ystone XL (was Fw: Details for tomorrow's rally - please read) Message-ID: <20111024.221539.1269.2@webmail51.vgs.untd.com> Hi everyone, CREDO / CREDO Mobile / Working Assets is having a rally in San Francisco tomorrow from 11:30 AM to 1:30 PM at an Obama fundraiser to tell him to stop the Keystone XL pipeline. The email below is what they sent out to people who signed up. Others are welcome. If you're going, please make sure you read the details about public transit and street closures. I plan to simply walk up 4th St from the Caltrain station. (The rally is at 3rd & Howard Sts.) I'm very sorry for the late notice. Last week and this week have been / will be busier than usual for me, so I've fallen behind on email. But I don't think I've seen anything about this on our list yet. Best regards, Valerie ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:20:07 -0500 Subject: Details for tomorrow's rally - please read To: vdf at juno.com From: events at credomobile.com Hi - Thanks to all of you who have RSVP?d, tomorrow's rally is already generating a lot of attention. We think it will be the biggest protest of an Obama fundraiser yet, and we're really excited to send a strong message to President Obama to reject the Keystone XL Pipeline. Please read the information below to help make tomorrow a success: TIME: 11:30 - 1:30 pm We'll start the rally as donors are arriving. The President is expected to touch down at SFO just before 1 pm, so we'll keep the rally going until 1:30 to make sure he sees our message. We could use 5-10 volunteers to help make signs and set up starting at 11 am. Please email events at credomobile.com if you can help volunteer starting at 11 am. WHERE: The corner of 3rd St. and Howard St. (Along Howard, west of 3rd) We'll have a table set up with signs, buttons, chant sheets and other materials to pick up when you arrive. GETTING THERE: Public transit is the best way to get to the rally. If taking BART/MUNI, Powell St. Station will be the most accessible to the rally due to street closures. *Due to street closures, you may not be able to access 3rd St, but should be able to walk along 4th St. to Howard, and walk up Howard to 3rd.* If you are driving, please allow significant time to account for traffic delays and street closures. It is best to avoid driving in Downtown San Francisco if possible. (If coming from the North Bay, park and take the ferry to Embarcadero; if coming from the East Bay, take BART.) AT THE RALLY: There are multiple groups planning to be present, but ours will be the largest by far - just look for the "Stop Keystone XL" signs and banners. We've been in touch with the police to make sure this is a safe and peaceful protest. If anything changes between now and tomorrow because of the President's security, we'll let you know as soon as we know. Can't wait to see you tomorrow - this is going to be a really powerful event. Thank so much for helping to seize this opportunity to deliver a strong message to the President. Elijah ____________________________________________________________ 51 Yr Old Woman Looks 25 Mom Publishes Free Wrinkle Secret That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea6465b84ca31033b08st02vuc From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Tue Oct 25 03:03:40 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:03:40 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy San Jose City Council Meetings Tuesdays, 1:30 & Thursdays, 7 PM Message-ID: <4EA6897C.8070601@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: I've estimated that I can read roughly 2 words per second without rushing, provided I prepare and rehearse. I just timed myself twice reading the following 107 words in 50 seconds: *** From 1947 to 1970, the US averaged 2.2 percent per year growth in average annual income, broadly shared. Since then, we've averaged 1.8 percent annual growth, while giving most of the benefits of that growth to the wealthy and manufacturing armies of homeless, unemployed and imprisoned unprecedented since the 1930s. The US today produces double the goods and services per person as we did in 1970 and four times what we did in 1940. People who say that we cannot afford to provide quality education for the poor and free college for the unemployed are saying we want lower economic growth and greater inequity in our society. This is too big for a Tweet but fine to be read during an Open Forum at a City Council meeting. Betsy and I may not make the City Council meeting today, but I plan to take this to the Occupy SJ General Assembly in the evening. I think it would be great to have several different people read something like this for the Open Forum during every SJ City Council meeting. The following is another, shorter commentary with less information but a sharper bite: *** In 1932, the ?Bonus Army? of unemployed World War I veterans peaceably assembled in what they called a Hooverville outside Washington, DC, requesting government assistance. President Hoover first sent the Washington police, who killed a couple of them. Then he sent the US Army under General Douglas MacArthur with Major George Patton using his tanks to flatten their shantytown, sending many to the hospital with serious injuries. Incumbent politicians were rewarded for their callous insensitivity with a massive defeat in the 1932 elections. 84 words Comments? Best Wishes, Spencer ################################## There were more arrests at Occupy San Jose last night. If you can find the time, please come to the San Jose City Council Meeting any Tuesday, 1:30 PM and Thursday, 7 PM; check the agenda at "www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/agenda.asp" to make sure the meeting is not cancelled. (It seems to have a full agenda for tomorrow, Oct. 25.) Meetings generally include an Open Forum where people who give their name to the clerk before the meeting "usually" get 2 minutes to speak on whatever they want. Occupy City Council tomorrow & Thursday. The rules say you can bring a sign 2' x 3' but no sticks, etc. Betsy and I plan to be there tomorrow at 1:30 but may have to leave before the meeting is over. Spencer Graves -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 25 10:38:18 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:38:18 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] time needed for agenda items Message-ID: <4EA6F40A.6010404@sbcglobal.net> Merge (proposal) Endorsement of the California Disclose Act _____ TIME NEEDED, Brian Good with Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) 5 min, Jim Doyle Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED Creative actions to stop an additional runway at London's Heathrow airport 1 min, Jim Doyle * Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED Creative actions to stop purchase of public property, creative actions to call for impeachment, community organising to get a recall on the ballot and to win the recall 2 min, Jim Doyle Holiday Peace Fair: Approve $40 table fee and recruit volunteers 4 min _____ TIME NEEDED, Jim Doyle Valerie, It may be a matter of timing between your preparing a draft and the time I send a duplicate notice. I repeat the request when I do not see the original request on what you present as the latest version. Jim Doyle From lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com Mon Oct 24 12:46:36 2011 From: lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com (Lynn Huidekoper) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:46:36 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Hope you can make the next Health Care for All meeting this coming Thursday, Oct. 27 In-Reply-To: <1319470636.39735.YahooMailRC@web181019.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: , <1319470636.39735.YahooMailRC@web181019.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Caroline,Sorry you can't make it. Joan Simon from our group is the rep. for the Peace Fair so I assume will be at that meeting. If someone else form the Green Party could make with the HCA meeting or the Single Payer Coalition meeting tomorrow 7-9P athe Low Income Self-Help Ctr., 525 W. Alma, San Jose that would be great.Lynn Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:37:16 -0700 From: carolineyacoub at att.net Subject: Re: Hope you can make the next Health Care for All meeting this coming Thursday, Oct. 27 To: lynn_huidekoper at hotmail.com CC: andid at cagreens.org; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org I'd love to be there, but I wil be at the Holiday Peace Fair meeting from 3:00-5:00 and the Green Party meeting from 7:00--? Possibly someone else might make it. Caroline From: Lynn Huidekoper To: Lynn Huidekoper Sent: Sun, October 23, 2011 6:57:13 PM Subject: Hope you can make the next Health Care for All meeting this coming Thursday, Oct. 27 Health Care for All Meeting THURSDAY-October 27th 5:45-7:45 pm Eric?s Deli- 830 Kiely Blvd. Santa Clara, near Homestead Rd (Look for Neon ?Soup?s On? Sign) Welcome/Introductions Approval of minutes of last meeting- Larry Lozares Treasurer?s report- Bob Applebaum Membership report- Carol Dalrymple Legislative report- Lynn Lobby Simitian to vote Yes on AB52 in January Website ?Joan Simon ? Chapter page update ? Facebook update Yahoo group update- Larry Lozares SB810 Outreach Reports on events/talks- past month: ? 10/1 Day in the Park-Bob ? 10/6 Solidarity Event in SF Lynn, Joan, Carol ? 10/9 Humanist Society- Lynn ? 10/10 CRTA Luncheon-Panel-Rich Gordon, Lynn, HICAP Rep. ? BiNational event-Joan Simon ? 10/16 UU church-Carol ? Occupy San Jose- Carol, Joan S. ? 10/21 Campaign for a Healthy Calif. Kick-Off event-Lynn, Joan, Carol, Gerry,Bob ? What to do with all the names collected at these events-?Mailchimp Campaign for a Healthy California update -Lynn Fundraising ideas- HCA Buttons(?), Yellow T-shirts from Santa Barbara Communications Cmte. ? Discuss $250 contribution to NPR ad on Single Payer ? Order more brochures HCA Board Meeting ? Officer Elections ? Bylaws Changes Upcoming Talks, events ? Oct. 30 Campbell Farmer?s Market Tabling with Marriage Equality ? AAUW-Morgan Hill Talk 11/15 Lynn ? November 18,19 Abilities Expo ? CaHPSA Rally at the Capitol is Jan. 9, 2012 ? Dec. 3 Peace Fair-Joan S. Action Items SB810 Endorsements-suggestion for each member to get 3 in next 2 months Announcements-Go around the table Grassroots for Democracy website- Gerry Joint Meeting with Coalition Lynn Huidekoper, RN Co-Director Health Care for All California-Santa Clara County Co-Chair , Santa Clara County Single Payer Coalition Senator Mark Leno's Single Payer bill, SB810 John Conyer's Single Payer bill, HR 676 Menlo Park CA. http://www.healthcareforall.org/about-us/hca-chapters/santa-clara-%10-silicon-valley.html http://www.facebook.com/SantaClaraCountySinglePayerHealthCareCoalition http://www.facebook.com/HealthCareForAllCA 650-322-9609 Health Care is a Human Right -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Tue Oct 25 11:33:44 2011 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Digital Technology and Human Rights Conf in SF today and Wed In-Reply-To: <4EA6F40A.6010404@sbcglobal.net> References: <4EA6F40A.6010404@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1319567624.95782.YahooMailNeo@web111112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Here is the transcript from the first 3 hours of the conference.? You can access the online stream by visiting https://www.rightscon.org ? ? Information is power.? Issues are complicated. Tools can be used to facilitate surveilance. Rebecca: Technology can be used to push for change How do you insure that the tech is compatiable with advancing human rights. Software code is law.? Facebook is not popular everywhere. Govt uses private companies to censor the Internet and Iphone apps. Egypt revolution Facebook page taken down because site creators were not using their real names, in violation of FB's TOS. Tunisia was a testing ground for surveilance and censorship software being tested by Western tech companies. Many tech companies say: "Not my responsibility where the rockets come down" When govt writes bad laws, the checks and balances of govt break down. How do we insure that companies that run the Internet don't screw the people. ************************************* Alla Fatah from Egypt: He is being charged with sabotage and incitement right after he left Egypt to come to the conference. Find ways to stand in solidarity with people who are being subject to persecution. There are 12,000 people in Egypt being detained by the military govt. How can tech companies respect Human rights of their users. Can't expect cos to change their policies to benefit activists. Internet kill switch in Egypt. If the companies chose to expose the law that allowed this before the revolution,this law could have been taken off the books before the revolution. There is a coinciding of interests that allow this to happen. We need to build the Internet without the power of monopolies. Social Networking sites should allow us (ordinary users) to have a negotiated identity, allow use of psuedonyms. *********************************** Michael Posner? DRL? Human RIghts and Labor portion of the State Dept. A lot of people want to put up traffic lights on the Internet. Entire industries and govts are upended by the new Internet technologies. These new technologies have not made it safer for activists to act.? Repressive govts can track and repress using bots and tracking software. China suggested international standards for Interent content. We are up against a wide array of legal and technical obstacles to Internet freedom. Copyright law: You don't have the right to steal movies online. Corporations have a significant role to play in the regulation of the Internet. We now live in a fishbowl: You have to do the right thing 24/7 or risk being exposed. Z co (former Blackwater) and others have now signed a code of conduct. Various forces are determined to control what people do online. Five basic principles adopted by successful companies: Broad principles to guide their actions concerning free expression Internal systems to insure that code of conduct is implimented Internal benchmarks of progress developing industry best practices Systematic engagement with stakeholders. Yahoo, Microsoft and Google are doing a good job in these areas. No business wants to be located in a high crime neighborhood or in a zone where cops are beating up on protesters.? My problem is your problem. ************************************ Activist facing 20 years in prison in Thailand for hosting a site that allowed anonymous users to defame the king: Many women can not have a cell phone or a computer without the permission from a man. Woman in Iran had her women's issues web site shut down, was imprisoned for a year and banned from practicing journalism for 30 years. ************************ Thialand: Artilce 112? 15 years for insulting the royal family.? Also computer crime act: Endangering national security merely for asking a question.? About 400 people have been charged with 112, many are not able to be free on bail. One web site owner is in prison for 13 years for running a web site that allowed defamation of the royal family. If you confess, you may serve less time via a royal pardon. ******************************** Bob Boorstin of Google: Why are we here? 4 trends: 1)Spread of info tech.? Mobile access is growing very fast. 2/3 of humanity has access to a mobile device. Every minute 48 hours of video is uploaded to Youtube. Impossible to control this by any traditional means. 2)Govts are causing lots of trouble by blocking content. Democratic govts are blocking too.? 40 govts around the world are blocking. 3)Most companies are not acting to protect human rights. Some are doing it purposely.? We are just building this stuff, we don't care who uses it for what.? Some cos say they want to do the right thing but they don't. Not enough cos are ready to lose money to defend human rights. 4)The role that new techs are playing in revolutions. Some of the talk has been hype.? In Egypt the Arab Spring has turned into a military controlled Winter. What happens online doesn't translate automatically into offline reality.? There is no borderless Internet.? The Internet is forcing people to change? What should we do? 1)Put your users first.? Protect them and give them products that they can use.? Most of the world doesn't have a smart phone.? Should design stuff to work on 2nd and 3rd gen phones. 2)Take action of human rights before you have to. Must do due dillegence on human rights records o 3) Be transparent and open.? 4) Admit and fix your mistakes rappidly. 5)Come together as companies to make a difference and do it before someone else does something really stupid. For instance: PROTECT IP.? This poses a threat to free expression. Ideas for how to be effective: 1)Have a balanced strategy, both an inside and outside strategy 2)Adjust your expectations about how to get things done. 3) Protect your own credibility. Why should cos do all of these things 1) It is the right thing to do. 2) You are not going to fool all of the people for very long. 3)Doing so will save money. 4) Taking these steps will build your customer base and build their trust.? Trust is the killer app. ? From: Jim Doyle To: sosfbay discussion group Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: [GPSCC-chat] time needed for agenda items Merge (proposal) Endorsement of the California Disclose Act ? ? ? _____ TIME NEEDED, Brian Good with Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) 5 min, Jim Doyle Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED Creative actions to stop an additional runway at London's Heathrow airport ? ? ? 1 min, Jim Doyle *? Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED Creative actions to stop purchase of public property, creative actions to call for impeachment, community organising to get a recall on the ballot and to win the recall ? ? ? 2 min, Jim Doyle Holiday Peace Fair: Approve $40 table fee and recruit volunteers ??? 4 min? _____ TIME NEEDED, Jim Doyle Valerie, It may be a matter of timing between your preparing a draft and the time I send a duplicate notice.? I repeat the request when I do not see the original request on what you present as the latest version. Jim Doyle _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Tue Oct 25 12:18:44 2011 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:18:44 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Last Friday's "Rapture" and Frances Moore Lappe Message-ID: <4EA70B94.6090305@aceweb.com> There were lots of Angels and Devils on the roads for the rapture! http://tian.greens.org/SanJose/BikeParty/RaptureRide/index.html Before that Frances Moore Lappe gave an interesting talk at Stanford: http://tian.greens.org/PaloAlto/Stanford/FMLSpeech.html This webpage says Massachusetts is #1 in energy efficiency: http://climaterealityproject.org/2011/10/25/whos-the-most-energy-efficient-state-of-them-all/ I remember fondly the days when California had that ranking. -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: added words and pictures of Frances Moore Lappe. The 5 actions 1 world pin is on my fair Louisiana quarter. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 25 12:17:38 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:17:38 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Do bankers control the world? Message-ID: <4EA70B52.1060102@earthlink.net> Brought to you by a Toronto paper and a Swiss Institute of Technology: "It?s True, Bankers Really Do Control the World: Study" http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/25-2 Gerry From tnharter at aceweb.com Tue Oct 25 13:00:27 2011 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:00:27 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bragging about Mountain View! Message-ID: <4EA7155B.2090502@aceweb.com> > > The Mountain View-Los Altos High School District is the first district > in the Bay Area to have all of its campuses and facilities designated > "green" by a county green business agency. > To read more, please visit: http://mv-voice.com/news/show_story.php?id=4859 -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: added words and pictures from the rapture. The 5 actions 1 world pin is on a Louisiana quarter. From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 25 16:04:09 2011 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:04:09 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Open Primary Message-ID: Palo Alto Daily Post publisher Dave Price's Op-Ed yesterday offered strategy tips to potential primary challengers to Anna Eshoo, saying that TV ads might make hay with the fact that "she had voted for the Wall Street bailout and a stimulus bill that allowed AIG Executives to get huge bonuses," and that she'd "later explained that she hadn't read the part of the bill that included the bonuses." Price points out that a Democratic primary challenger to Eshoo need not beat her in the primary to go on to the general election--it's enough just to beat the Republican, the Libertarian, and the Green (if any). One effect of the open primary I hadn't before considered is that it might tend to do away with the usual inhibition to primary challenges to incumbents--the notion that they're bad for party unity. I would imagine that the prospect of a Democrat v. Democrat race in November would be seen as a no-lose deal by the party, so we might see a lot more informational or exploratory primary campaigns done by Democrats in the future. Price's column struck a chord with Srinivasan Subramanian, whose LTTE this morning expressed the wish for a challenger "who can think independently, and not succumb to party cronyism and corruption." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vdf at juno.com Tue Oct 25 17:30:46 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 00:30:46 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] time needed for agenda items Message-ID: <20111025.173046.16518.0@webmail57.vgs.untd.com> Hi Jim, Thanks for the clarifications! I hope other people clarify their possible duplicate items, too. My latest version always includes everything posted up to the minute before I send it (really -- check the archives), so it sounds like you're behind in email, too. :-) However, I didn't send anything last week because I was too busy, and I think people may have panicked. Sorry about that! Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:38:18 -0700 From: Jim Doyle To: sosfbay discussion group Subject: [GPSCC-chat] time needed for agenda items Merge (proposal) Endorsement of the California Disclose Act _____ TIME NEEDED, Brian Good with Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) 5 min, Jim Doyle Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED Creative actions to stop an additional runway at London's Heathrow airport 1 min, Jim Doyle * Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED Creative actions to stop purchase of public property, creative actions to call for impeachment, community organising to get a recall on the ballot and to win the recall 2 min, Jim Doyle Holiday Peace Fair: Approve $40 table fee and recruit volunteers 4 min _____ TIME NEEDED, Jim Doyle Valerie, It may be a matter of timing between your preparing a draft and the time I send a duplicate notice. I repeat the request when I do not see the original request on what you present as the latest version. Jim Doyle _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ 51 Yr Old Woman Looks 25 Mom Publishes Free Wrinkle Secret That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea754e73f95de0a847st04vuc From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 25 21:34:35 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:34:35 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] hot agenda item Message-ID: <4EA78DDB.90202@sbcglobal.net> Request 3 min Jim Doyle for affirmation of participating in this year's fall state convention of the Junior State group. Excellent opportunity to ask some of the recent 13 to be there with us. Hi! Warner received a call from someone this afternoon inviting the GPSCC to table at a Junior Statesman event (in November? Santa Clara Mariott? yes and yes, see below). http://jsa.org/conventions/fall-state/ Santa Clara, CA Nov. 19 - 20 Northern California Fall State Santa Clara Marriott From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 26 03:24:42 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:24:42 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Ted Rall on Occupy Wall Street Message-ID: <4EA7DFEA.8030306@earthlink.net> FYI, I think there's a lot of good info about OWS in the "Cut-and-Paste Revolution" section at http://www.rall.com/rallblog/ at least for now, but with blog scrolling it may not last long. Here are "permanent" links: http://www.rall.com/rallblog/2011/10/24/syndicated-column-cut-and-paste-revolution-part-i http://www.rall.com/rallblog/2011/10/25/syndicated-column-cut-and-paste-revolution-part-ii Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 26 16:00:28 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:00:28 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Human Banner update In-Reply-To: <912033651.1871065085@wfc.wfcDB.mail.democracyinaction.com> References: <912033651.1871065085@wfc.wfcDB.mail.democracyinaction.com> Message-ID: <4EA8910C.5020803@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Human Banner update Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:09:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Newsham, The Other 98% Reply-To: newsham at mac.com To: gerrygras at earthlink.net Dear Everyone, Thank you so much for signing up for this Saturday's human banner event at Ocean Beach in San Francisco. It's going to be great. We can feel it. We've got 414 people registered right now, on Monday night, and we are confident that the total will increase between now and Saturday morning, and that we will have an event -- and imagery -- we'll all be proud of. Right now we're leaning toward the message TAX THE 1%. Please do invite anyone you'd like, and please ask them to register, as you did, at HumanBannerSF.com . Registering helps us know what size crowd to prepare for, and also helps us attract media coverage. Please time your arrival in the vicinity so that you can have your spot in the lettering picked out by 11:15am. The helicopter is scheduled to be overhead at noon sharp. Again, thank you for registering, and if you have any questions please contact San Francisco organizer Brad Newsham -- newsham at mac.com and 415-305-8294. See you on Saturday morning for a great event. - Brad, Andrew, John, and the rest of the crew at The Other 98% From WB4D23 at aol.com Wed Oct 26 17:23:50 2011 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: JSA Political Fair Message-ID: Here's the email invitation for the GPSCC to attend the Junior Statesmen(?) Fair November 19th. Warner ____________________________________ From: jsapoliticalfair at gmail.com To: wb4d23 at aol.com Sent: 10/25/2011 9:20:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: JSA Political Fair Hi, I just spoke to you earlier about the Green Party of Santa Clara County. It would be very interesting for many of those attending JSA Fall Convention to learn more about the Green Party. On behalf of the Junior State of America, I would like to invite you to our 2011 Political Activism Fair at our Fall 2011 convention. Fall State is a convention that will be attended by over one thousand of California's premier young leaders and political thinkers. All of these young leaders are seeking ways of becoming more active in their communities as well as the democratic process. We aim to create the next generation of active volunteers and politically aware citizens. The Political Activism Fair is a section of the convention where political and activist organizations alike will gather to get their message out to future leaders and show these talented leaders ways they can get involved. There will be a main room where you may set up information tables and interact with the attendees. Your organization represents an excellent opportunity for young people to make their voice heard and it would be a great honor for us if you could attend this event. We will also provide ways for students to get in touch with your organization if they are interested in volunteering or getting more involved. Saturday, November 19 The Santa Clara Marriott, Grand Ballroom 2700 Mission College Boulevard Santa Clara, CA 95054. 2:00- 5:00 PM Set up begins at 1:35 pm. We will provide tables and tablecloths and we encourage you to bring literature and visual aids. Space is limited so please RSVP via email at_JSAPoliticalFair at gmail.com_ (mailto:JSAPoliticalFair at gmail.com) if your organization would like to attend. To learn more about JSA, please visit our website _jsa.org_ (http://jsa.org/) . We hope you will be able to join us. Sincerely, Amy Blackburn & Lydia Ho Political -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 26 17:50:04 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:50:04 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Last night in Oakland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA8AABC.3050903@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Last night in Oakland Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:26:35 -0700 From: Justin Ruben, MoveOn.org Civic Action To: Gerry Gras Dear MoveOn member, Last night, Scott Olsen, a Marine who served two tours in Iraq, was struck in the head by a "nonlethal" projectile fired by the Oakland police. *The round fractured his skull, leaving him in critical condition.*^1 Olsen had joined with other members of Occupy Oakland to peacefully protest the group's eviction that morning. *When a group gathered to help Olsen after he was hit, a police officer threw a flash bang grenade into the group* from a few feet away. Deeply disturbing video of the incident was captured by a local news crew and provides the clearest evidence yet of the lengths that authorities will go to to stop Occupy protesters from voicing uncomfortable truths about our economy. Yesterday's eviction in the predawn hours^2 and last night's violence against protesters are only the latest attempts to silence the voices of those who are speaking up for the 99%. *But members of Occupy Oakland, who faced the most brutal crackdown yet, refuse to be intimidated.* They've called for another peaceful gathering tonight to stand up for their First Amendment rights.^3 To help defend their rights, *we're scrambling to put together a rapid response ad* to run in Oakland urging Mayor Quan and the police to end their brutal tactics and respect the protesters' rights. We want to make sure everyone in Oakland sees the footage of the crackdown for themselves. Every dollar we raise will go to pay for the ad, and if there's anything left over, we'll donate it to a group doing good work helping our veterans as they come home from war. *Click here to chip in. * We're also supporting a petition by Causa Justa :: Just Cause to Oakland's mayor to stop the police repression of Occupy Oakland. *Click here to sign CJJC's petition to Mayor Quan. * Many MoveOn members experienced the police crackdown firsthand last night. Here's what some of them said: The police were intimidating and I have been to many protests in my life, but nothing quite like this. I have never seen such a police presence with such force, especially for a calm crowd. The tear gas was pretty brutal, it is still on my clothes and skin this morning. Anywhere in downtown Oakland had the smell and sting of the gas all night. ?Gina W. We talked to the police across the barricades about how we were also fighting for them, for their children's shot to education without lifelong debt, for the preservation of their collective bargaining rights. We expressed this solidarity knowing that they might not be listening, but we also know that the reasons for not listening are deeply personal.... ?Julie K. As a retired military man, I wanted to reiterate what [I heard] the Marine Sgt espousing to the police: There is NO honor in brutalizing your own people. The tear gas stung but I have been exposed to worse, including Agent Orange. What I saw at Ogawa Plaza made me extremely proud of those brave souls that were passionate about their causes. As we say in the Marine Corp and Navy...BRAVO ZULU.?Pete H. Thanks for all you do. ?Justin, Marika, Anna, Laura, and the rest of the team P.S. If you want to show your support in person, members of Occupy Oakland are gathering peacefully again at 6 p.m. tonight at 14th and Broadway. Sources: 1. "Occupy Oakland protests?live coverage," /The Guardian/, October 26, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=266171&id=32341-824573-BDpBRWx&t=4 2. "Police tear gas Occupy Oakland protesters," /San Francisco Chronicle/, October 26, 2011 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=266172&id=32341-824573-BDpBRWx&t=5 3. "Occupy Oakland," accessed October 26, 2011 http://www.occupyoakland.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Subscription Management:* This is a message from MoveOn.org Civic Action. To change your email address or update your contact info, please visit: http://moveon.org/subscrip/coa.html?id=32341-824573-BDpBRWx To remove yourself (Gerry Gras) from this list, please visit our subscription management page at: http://moveon.org/s?i=32341-824573-BDpBRWx From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Wed Oct 26 18:08:45 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:08:45 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for Agenda Items for October 27 Meeting In-Reply-To: <20111024.171725.17606.4@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> References: <20111024.171725.17606.4@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4EA8AF1D.9030305@prodsyse.com> Hi, Valerie, et al.: Could Merriam and I have 10 minutes to discuss Occupy San Jose? I believe the current international Occupy movement is the most hopeful thing in world history since the "Bonus Army" camped outside Washington, DC, in 1932. The attempted suppression of their "Hooverville" contributed to a landslide defeat of conservative incumbents in the next several elections. The policies of Franklin Roosevelt and others elected during that period created what is probably the the best period in US history of relatively high and broadly shared economic growth. At Occupy San Jose, there have been arrests virtually every night for most of the past week. They could use a lot of help from people contacting City Council members, especially San Jose residents -- minimum by email but it's better if you can follow an email with an attempt to get on the City Council person's agenda to discuss. Anyone doing this must be clear that they are doing this on their own initiative and NOT in any way representing Occupy San Jose. Merriam and I have been working with Steve Preminger of the Central Labor Council and the Santa Clara County Democratic Central Committee to try to get permission from San Jose First United Methodists, who own a vacant lot across from City Council. We'd like approval from the Green Party to pay for some or all of the incremental insurance the the Methodists want if they allow this group to occupy their vacant lot. Also, I'd like 5 minutes to discuss the "Four Puppet Politics" bookmark I put on the Resources page some time ago. I've been producing and distributing them, but I think I should get official group input on the content before we use it a whole lot more. (This is a summary of an 18-page research paper by that title that I do not want to post on the Internet but am happy to distribute to anyone who would like to see it; please email me if you are interested.) In the proposal for another action at Bank of America (or Wells Fargo?), I'd like to use this "Four Puppets" bookmark with our "Credit Cards and the Great Recession" trifold with the Green Party information replaced by information on Occupy San Jose. Thanks, Best Wishes, Spencer On 10/24/2011 5:17 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Here's what I have for the draft agenda so far. > > NOTE: We are missing times and descriptions for several items. Please send that information to this list. > > NOTE: A few (identical) duplicate agenda items were submitted, and some of the items below look very similar to each other (i.e., items related to Move to Amend and demonstrating at banks). Please review this draft and let me know if any of the similar-looking items should be consolidated. > > Please send all additions and changes to this list. Everything posted on this list by 7:30 PM on Wednesday, October 26 will be on the draft I bring to the meeting. If you don't make it by then, no worries -- we will revise and affirm the agenda at the meeting. > > > === Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 === > > Location: San Jose Peace& Justice Center, 48 S 7th St, San Jose > > 7:00 PM Social time: practice one-minute speeches, eat, chat, etc. > > 7:30 PM Begin meeting > > * Choose facilitator, note taker, timekeeper, vibes watcher, November agenda preparer, November one-minute speakers > 2 min > > * Introductions > 3 min > > * Guest speaker from Californians for Justice > 15 min (total including Q& A) > > * Short announcements > 7 min > > * Revise and affirm agenda > 4 min > > * Treasurer's report, pass the hat > 4 min, Jim Doyle > > * Movie Night > 6 min, Merriam Kathaleen > > * Make a decision on a speaker for November meeting > 4 min, group > > * Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) > 3 min, Jim Doyle > > * Fair and equitable taxation (carried over from September agenda) > 3 min, Jim Doyle > > * Select initial delegates& alternates for GPCA General Assembly Dec. 3-4; schedule packet review meeting > 10 min, Warner Bloomberg > > * Move To Amend: Do we want to sign on? > 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub > > * Bank of America: Let's do it again on Friday, November 4. > 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub > > * Endorsement of the California Disclose Act > _____ TIME NEEDED, Brian Good > > * Election year infrastructure planning > 20 min, Jim Doyle > > * Getting recent contacts (13) involved > 10 min, Jim Doyle > > * Electing County Council > 5 min, Jim Doyle > > * Report on the Registrar of Voters > 1 min, Jim Doyle > > * Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED > 1 min, Jim Doyle > > * Report on a protest action: __________ DESCRIPTION NEEDED > 1 min, Jim Doyle > > * Should we demonstrate at Bank of America or Wells Fargo? > 5 min, Caroline Yacoub and Spencer Graves > > * Greens doing buttons for Occupy > _____ TIME NEEDED, Merriam Kathaleen > > * Move to Amend > _____ TIME NEEDED, Merriam Kathaleen > > * Holiday Peace Fair: Approve $40 table fee and recruit volunteers > _____ TIME NEEDED, Jim Doyle > > > Respectfully, > Valerie Face > > ____________________________________________________________ > Royal Caribbean® Meetings > Meetings& Conference Areas For Any Occasion. Visit The Site For Info. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea6003ae98eadbe0a2st04vuc > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From vdf at juno.com Wed Oct 26 20:00:10 2011 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:00:10 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 Message-ID: <20111026.200010.1053.1@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> Hi everyone, Here's a draft agenda that includes all of the items posted to this list as of 7:30 PM today. This is what I'm bringing to the meeting, but note that we have time scheduled to revise and affirm the agenda if you want to make changes. === Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 === Location: San Jose Peace & Justice Center, 48 S 7th St, San Jose 7:00 PM Social time: practice one-minute speeches, eat, chat, etc. 7:30 PM Begin meeting * Choose facilitator, note taker, timekeeper, vibes watcher, November agenda preparer, November one-minute speakers 2 min * Introductions 3 min * Guest speaker from Californians for Justice 15 min (total, including Q & A) * Short announcements 7 min * Revise and affirm agenda 4 min * Treasurer's report, pass the hat 4 min, Jim Doyle * Movie Night 6 min, Merriam Kathaleen * Make a decision on a speaker for November meeting 4 min, group * Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) / Proposal to Endorse the California Disclose Act 5 min, Jim Doyle and Brian Good * Fair and equitable taxation (carried over from September agenda) 3 min, Jim Doyle * Select delegates & alternates for GPCA General Assembly December 3-4; schedule packet review meeting 10 min, Warner Bloomberg * Move To Amend: Do we want to sign on? 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub * Bank of America: Let's do it again on Friday, November 4. 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub * Election year infrastructure planning 20 min, Jim Doyle * Getting recent contacts (13) involved 10 min, Jim Doyle * Electing County Council 5 min, Jim Doyle * Report on the Registrar of Voters 1 min, Jim Doyle * Report on creative actions to stop an additional runway at London's Heathrow airport 1 min, Jim Doyle * Report on creative actions to stop purchase of public property, to call for impeachment, community organizing to get a recall on the ballot and to win the recall 2 min, Jim Doyle * Should we demonstrate at Bank of America or Wells Fargo? 5 min, Caroline Yacoub and Spencer Graves * Greens doing buttons for Occupy movement _____ ?? min, Merriam Kathaleen * Move to Amend _____ ?? min, Merriam Kathaleen * Holiday Peace Fair, Saturday, December 3: Approve $40 table fee and recruit volunteers 4 min, Jim Doyle * Participating in this year's fall state convention of Junior State of America on Saturday, November 19 3 min, Jim Doyle * Discussion of Occupy San Jose, including proposal for GPSCC to pay for some or all of the incremental insurance for vacant lot owned by San Jose First United Methodists 10 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Spencer Graves * Discussion of "Four Puppet Politics" bookmark 5 min, Spencer Graves TOTAL TIME: at least 139 minutes (Merriam's two items without times are not included in the total.) Respectfully, Valerie Face ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 From WB4D23 at aol.com Thu Oct 27 14:15:40 2011 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Probably Not Attending Tonight's Meeting Message-ID: <2867.80c8e4b.3bdb23fc@aol.com> Folks! I came down with a cold last Friday and it is still hanging on... In the interests of not passing around the little germies, and because my energy level is really low, I probably will not attend tonight's GPSCC monthly meeting. Two Notes: At last night's monthly CCWG meeting, it was suggested that the GPCA endorse the on-its-way initiative campaign to end the California death penalty, and that when petitions become available they be circulated for signatures at OWS events to encourage people to register to vote or reregister Green. 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Please show up for the event, and spread the word far and wide! ____________Begin forwarded info: Exclusive San Jose Fundraiser for Green Party Candidate Running to be PEOPLE?S Sheriff of Philadelphia Cheri Honkala vows to serve the interests of the people instead of the interests of the banks by refusing to evict families from their homes. TIME: 6 ? 9 PM FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 4 PLACE: SILICON VALLEY DEBUG 701 LENZEN AVE, SAN JOSE Admission Free, Donations Will Be Requested ENTERTAINMENT: Shamako noble, RAHMAN JAMAL and others tba, VIDEOS OF CHERI Sponsored by: Green Party of Santa Clara County ____________End forwarded info -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: added words and pictures from the rapture. The 5 actions 1 world pin is on an Indiana quarter. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Note that more may be added AND they can send someone if there is a commitment to gather 15 people together for a training. For more info: info at safecalifornia.org. I also received an endorsement form and other info via email on Tuesday, and I intend to request an endorsement from GPSCC at next month's meeting. (I didn't do it this month because of the very short notice and the fact that the agenda was already packed.) I'll send more details to the list tomorrow. The campaign's website is http://www.safecalifornia.org, but there's not much there yet. Best wishes, Valerie Please note: message attached ____________________________________________________________ 51 Yr Old Woman Looks 25 Mom Publishes Free Wrinkle Secret That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ea9eb95d7dd3b0cf45st03vuc -------------- next part -------------- Folks! I came down with a cold last Friday and it is still hanging on... 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URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 27 19:24:00 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:24:00 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Health As A Human Right" Message-ID: <4EAA1240.5090902@earthlink.net> FYI, "Health As A Human Right" "A new special report from the UN argues, essentially and entirely logically, that countries should stop telling women what to do with their bodies - that countries that restrict access to abortion or contraception are violating a woman's human rights by interfering with her right to health. This advice is so contrary to the reality - a quarter of the world's women live in countries that ban or restrict abortion - that many see the report as a direct challenge of those governments." http://www.commondreams.org/further/2011/10/27-0 Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 27 19:59:25 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:59:25 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nov 2 - Oakland General Strike Message-ID: <4EAA1A8D.3070002@earthlink.net> FYI, "GENERAL STRIKE & MASS DAY OF ACTION ? NOVEMBER 2" http://www.occupyoakland.org/ http://www.occupyoakland.org/2011/10/general-strike-mass-day-of-action/ Supported by http://www.bailoutpeople.org/occupyoaklandsolidaritynov2.shtml more info at: http://occupywallst.org/ probably many others, but I don't have any more links. Gerry From jgshurt69 at aol.com Thu Oct 27 20:31:11 2011 From: jgshurt69 at aol.com (jgshurt69 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] cartoon Message-ID: <8CE63392C234927-A88-81342@webmail-m082.sysops.aol.com> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AggressiveProgressives/attachments/folder/1054249843/item/10235577/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc From azuresea4me at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 22:00:03 2011 From: azuresea4me at gmail.com (Azure Sea) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:00:03 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Please, Say NO to Plastic Message-ID: FYI - timely, moving article from Green America blog. Lori October 24, 2011 / GreenAmerica.org TracyRysavy Plastic Monday: Say No to ?Stupid Plastic? *cancer* , *neurotoxicants*, *oceans* , *plastic*, *recycling* We just sent our latest issue of the *Green American* to the printer, so in about three weeks, you?ll be getting ?Take the Plastic Challenge? in your mailboxes?or e-mail inboxes, if you?ve signed up to *get our publications in digital format*. In honor of the editorial team hitting our latest deadline, I thought I?d offer a small sneak peek at our upcoming plastics-centered theme. When my fellow editors and I started looking into the social and environmental impacts of plastic, we expected to find plenty of things to be concerned about. What we didn?t expect was to be freaking out as much as we are about plastic. Because once you really start thinking about it, you notice that plastic is EVERYWHERE. As author Susan Freinkel points out in her book *Plastic: A Love Story*, you probably can?t go five minutes after waking up in the morning without touching something plastic (i.e. alarm clock, glasses, toothbrush, soap dispenser, towel rack, and oh-my-gosh ? toilet seat). There are two big reasons to flip out over how pervasive plastic has become worldwide since Leo Hendrik Baekeland invented Bakelite (the first commercially successful plastic) in 1907: Reason number one to flip out over plastic: Tons and tons of it?especially single-use plastic like packaging, food wrappers, and plastic bags?are ending up on beaches and in the ocean, where the stuff is choking fish and albatrosses, wrapping itself around dolphins and sea lions, and burying baby sea turtles in their nests before they can even make their first trek to the ocean. Try doing a Google search for ?plastic? and any one of those animals. Better yet, don?t. The images are awful. Reason number two to flip out over plastic: A study published in the July 2011 issue of *Environmental Health Perspectives* found that hundreds of types of plastics of every single resin code number (those numbers 1-7 in the recycling symbol on plastic products) leach hormone-disrupting chemicals. Hormone disrupters have been linked to obesity, neurodevelopmental impacts, and cancer in humans. Every single resin code number. Longtime Green America members might remember that several years ago, I asked you all to come up with a cute mnemonic to remember that plastics numbered 3, 6 , and 7 were the ones to really worry about when it comes to toxins, while 1, 2, 4, and 5 were fairly safe. (One person came up with, ?1, 2, 4, and 5 help keep you alive. 3, 6, and 7 send you straight to heaven,? FYI.) Well, throw that out the window, because all plastic might just be leaching toxins. So now that I?m extra mindful of the plastic in my life, what am I going to do about it? It?s not realistic to aim to wipe plastic off the face of the Earth. There are a lot of great things that plastic has made possible, like artificial hearts, lightweight glasses, and Kevlar vests for police officers. As I mention in my letter in the upcoming *Green American*, one activist who appeared in the 2010 documentary film *Bag It* brilliantly summed up what has now become Green America?s official position on plastic: ?We?re not saying no to all plastic,? he said. ?We?re saying no to *stupid* plastic.? So Green America senior writer Sarah Tarver-Wahlquist, online editor Andrew Korfhage, and I will be challenging ourselves to say no to stupid plastic. Every Monday from now through the end of November (at least), we?ll be blogging about how we?ve gotten stupid plastic out of our lives, and where we?re facing challenges. So come join us every ?Plastic Monday.? Tell us in the comments section how you?ve gotten stupid plastic out of your lives, ask us questions, or talk through your plastic challenges with the Green America community. We can?t wait to hear from you. *Blogger Beth Terry (MyPlasticFreeLife.com) says that the two biggest things people can do to get rid of stupid plastic are to give up bottled water and to bring your own reusable bags to the store. What are your top ways to purge plastic from your life?* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 27 22:14:21 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:14:21 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of the GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 In-Reply-To: <20111026.200010.1053.1@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> References: <20111026.200010.1053.1@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4EAA3A2D.108@prodsyse.com> Additions, corrections: Please post to this list. Thanks. Spencer On 10/26/2011 8:00 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Here's a draft agenda that includes all of the items posted to this list as of 7:30 PM today. This is what I'm bringing to the meeting, but note that we have time scheduled to revise and affirm the agenda if you want to make changes. > > > === Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 === > > Location: San Jose Peace& Justice Center, 48 S 7th St, San Jose > > 7:00 PM Social time: practice one-minute speeches, eat, chat, etc. > > 7:30 PM Begin meeting > > * Choose > facilitator: Tian > , note taker: Spencer > , timekeeper, Jim > vibes watcher, Fred > November agenda preparer, Caroline > November one-minute speakers: Jim Doyle, Merriam Kathleen > 2 min > > * Introductions > 3 min Fred Duperault, Mt. View Betsy Wolf-Graves Spencer Graves John Thielkin Amy Samualson Valerie Face Jim Doyle, Treasurer Tian Harter Merriam Kathleen Caroline Yacoub Drew Johnson Isabela Lamar, been involved in CFJ Rosa de Leon, Californians for Justice > > * Guest speaker from Californians for Justice > 15 min (total, including Q& A) A community based organizations primarily High School Students, Oakland, Longview, ... working with 4 High Schools. Have worked to get official certificates to acknowledge bilingual students. "pushed out" NOT "dropped out". A through G campaign = provide college prep education to all students. Summer Youth Leadership Academy. 1700 responses to a survey. Campaign for Quality Eduction = coalition of other groups Perpatorio = 12th grade in Mexico: graduating means you are ready for college. You can get a high school diploma in the US without the ability to apply to college. California Dream Act: a very important thing for students who want to go to college. > > * Short announcements > 7 min * Treasurer's report: $2,757.28. Paid $100 for a tile for the Peace Center $150 for our rent here + a couple of phone bills. Bank is now charging a monthly fee. ** The Green now banks with BBVA bank that charges a monthly fee. Jim tried Provident CU, Wells Fargo. Jim wants to find a credit union that offers free checking. * Tabling: Fall Junior State, Sat., Nov. 19. Need a lead for Junior State = Caroline. Tian will help. ** Sat. Dec. 3, Holiday Peace Center: Approve $40 tabling fee and recruit volunteers. Lead = Caroline with help from Merriam. Need someone to attend the next meeting either Nov. 10 or 15, ~noon. Tian may attend the next planning meeting. Willow Glen United Methodist Church. ** Protesting Bank of America at Cesar Chavez Park. Thursday, Nov. 3, noon-2 PM. *** Delegates for the Green Party General Assembly in Southern California. (It's the same weekend as the Peace Fair.) We need premeeting on the agenda. Tian will be a delegate. Caroline will try to get her Grandson to help with the Peace Fair. Merriam will be a delegate. * Registrar of voters & electing County Council: ** Proposal to join county council meeting with monthly meeting. If an agenda item requires a decision of the County Council, we can adjourn temporarily while the County Council makes their decision. Put it back in next month. * Movie Night: No one showed up last month. For the future, we might co-sponsor with Occupy San Jose. We will do Network in November. If we have poor attendance again, we must revisit the Movie Night idea. * Sherry Hankala (sp) event planned for next week, Friday, Nov. 4. Sandy Perry is organizing this event. The Green Party and DeBug are co-sponsoring. Proposed: Green Party of Santa Clara county endorse Sherry Hankala for Sheriff of Philadelphia. Approved. Tian to notifiy Sandy Perry. * November Speaker: Masao Suzuki. Or Committee against Political Repression: Latino teaching American History at Yerba Buena High School. Merriam to get a November speaker. * two endorsements: ** The Disclose Act. ** Move to Amend (as long as we are clear that we are endorsing a movement but not any specific language). Right now it's about education. Later, they will develop specific language. Endorsed. Merriam and Caroline will tell Richard Hobbs. * Occupy San Jose: There is an Occupy group on the campus of DeAnza. donation + buttons: Proposed: Tian to make 25 buttons, offer them to Occupy San Jose and see what happens. If they like them, he can do more. Accepted. * Heathrow & Benton Harbor * Palo Alto Measure E. ** Announcements: ** Betsy: Invites us this Saturday, Oct. 29: Annual ACLU meeting at the Santa Clara Library, 2 PM: Don Edwards Award, LaDoris Cordell, Independent Police Auditor of San Jose. ** John T.: Rally at Occupy San Jose at 4 PM tomorrow. ** Merriam. Her laptop died. Merriam to get a Kindle. ** Merriam wants volunteers for Junior State, Sat. Nov. 19: Tian and Drew. ** Fred: There will be a huge demonstration of "Tax the Rich" Saturday, starting at noon. > > * Revise and affirm agenda > 4 min > > * Treasurer's report, pass the hat > 4 min, Jim Doyle > > * Movie Night > 6 min, Merriam Kathaleen > > * Make a decision on a speaker for November meeting > 4 min, group > > * Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) / Proposal to Endorse the California Disclose Act > 5 min, Jim Doyle and Brian Good > > * Fair and equitable taxation (carried over from September agenda) > 3 min, Jim Doyle > > * Select delegates& alternates for GPCA General Assembly December 3-4; schedule packet review meeting > 10 min, Warner Bloomberg > > * Move To Amend: Do we want to sign on? > 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub > > * Bank of America: Let's do it again on Friday, November 4. > 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub > > * Election year infrastructure planning > 20 min, Jim Doyle > > * Getting recent contacts (13) involved > 10 min, Jim Doyle > > * Electing County Council > 5 min, Jim Doyle > > * Report on the Registrar of Voters > 1 min, Jim Doyle > > * Report on creative actions to stop an additional runway at London's Heathrow airport > 1 min, Jim Doyle > > * Report on creative actions to stop purchase of public property, to call for impeachment, community organizing to get a recall on the ballot and to win the recall > 2 min, Jim Doyle > > * Should we demonstrate at Bank of America or Wells Fargo? > 5 min, Caroline Yacoub and Spencer Graves > > * Greens doing buttons for Occupy movement > _____ ?? min, Merriam Kathaleen > > * Move to Amend > _____ ?? min, Merriam Kathaleen > > * Holiday Peace Fair, Saturday, December 3: Approve $40 table fee and recruit volunteers > 4 min, Jim Doyle > > * Participating in this year's fall state convention of Junior State of America on Saturday, November 19 > 3 min, Jim Doyle > > * Discussion of Occupy San Jose, including proposal for GPSCC to pay for some or all of the incremental insurance for vacant lot owned by San Jose First United Methodists > 10 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Spencer Graves > > * Discussion of "Four Puppet Politics" bookmark > 5 min, Spencer Graves > > > TOTAL TIME: at least 139 minutes > (Merriam's two items without times are not included in the total.) > > > Respectfully, > Valerie Face > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email with Video Mail& Video Chat! > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 28 08:09:14 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:09:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Why Are Bikes Being Targeted by Congress?" In-Reply-To: <4EAAC530.1030207@earthlink.net> References: <4EAAC530.1030207@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EAAC59A.7000908@earthlink.net> FYI, "Why Are Bikes Being Targeted by Congress?" http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/28-2 Gerry From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 28 11:09:55 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:09:55 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] suggestions for demonstrators Message-ID: <4EAAEFF3.8070308@sbcglobal.net> This from http://www.juancole.com/ Sefat: Top 10 ways OWS can Excel: Counsel from Iran?s Green Movement Posted on 10/28/2011 by Juan /Kusha Sefat writes in a guest column for *Informed Comment* / Following the disputed Presidential election in Iran, our Western compatriots gave many suggestions on combating state oppression. Various tactics and strategies were devised for Iranian protesters, some on this very blog. It seems that most of those recommendations were ineffective within Iran?s particular social and political context. It may be worth outlining some of the tactics that were in fact useful to Iranian protesters particularly as the OWS movement kicks into high gear (assuming these tactics make sense within the American socio-political context). The following are the Top 10 most effective tactics for the OWS, stemming from the experience of mass social movement in Iran. 1) Pick a color to represent your movement and wear it daily in public places (work, restaurant, etc.). Remember, this is a numbers game. You want maximum visibility, and to bring your movement into everyday life. 2) Have an all-inclusive strategy. Accept people with different views who are willing to join you in protest. Contrary to popular belief, you don?t have to know what you want as a movement yet. The goal at this stage is to point to your opponents and say that they have been lying to you; that the show they have constructed is false and that you are sick of it. 3) Demonstrate peacefully. Committing violence during demonstrations leads to ruptures within your movement, diminishes public sympathy, and gives the security forces a reason to violently suppress your protest. 4) Be rigorous. Security forces, dressed as civilians, may commit public acts of violence in order to have an excuse to squash protests. Find footage of those that police accuses of acting violently. Make sure they are legitimate protestors. Expose them if they are not. 5) Be creative. During demonstrations in Iran, security forces dressed a male protester in female attire in a bid to embarrass him. The next day, hundreds of male protesters came out in female attire. 6) Record protests with your mobile phones and send to television stations. Many broadcasters are owned by the very people who are in the 1%. But every now and then, there are producers and news workers who are willing to get in trouble for showing the truth. This happened in Iran on many occasions. News websites have an e-mail address and they generally ask you to send them footage. Do IT. 7) Send your footage of acts of violence committed by the police to foreign television broadcasters like Al Jazeera, RT, etc. When they show the footage, it puts pressure on American broadcasters to do the same. (Iranian protestors used BBC very effectively, even though it is a British outlet). 8) Write, ?I am 99%? or ?OWS? on all dollar bills that you circulate. Remember, you are fighting on the plane of the symbolic, and cash circulates widely and quickly. 9) Do not let politicians co-opt your movement. Many politicians, domestic or not, may hope to use your movement to their advantage. Allow them to join your movement, but DO NOT let them lead or act as spokesperson. 10) Write arguments and op-eds that aim at the logic of the system that has robbed you of opportunities and comfort. Do not aim at a particular person. People can be replaced; it is the system that is hurting you. ??? Kusha Sefat was a media consultant in Iran and is now a Doctoral Student in Sociology at Queens? College, University of Cambridge From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Fri Oct 28 11:23:55 2011 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of the GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 In-Reply-To: <4EAA3A2D.108@prodsyse.com> References: <20111026.200010.1053.1@webmail54.vgs.untd.com> <4EAA3A2D.108@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <1319826235.60156.YahooMailNeo@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey Y'all, ? I did a little research to see if I could confirm the tidbit that I told the group about free higher education in one of the former Soviet Bloc countries that I witnessed a visitor from one of those countries talking about on the live stream of the Human Rights Conference that happened in SF on Oct 25th and 26th 2011?(https://www.rightscon.org).? It seems that there are a few former Soviet Bloc countries that offer free higher education, but there is no documentation to back up the assertion that one (probably Kazakhstan, which is the closest match) provides?BOTH free higher education?TO ALL?at home and provides free higher education abroad. Kazakhstan provides free scholarships at home and abroad to selected students. Maybe the guy who was blabbing about this at rightscon.org was one of the select few who qualified. See below for my complete summary on the situation.? Thanks. ? Sincerely, ? John Thielking ? Capitalism has destroyed education in ex-Soviet bloc countries http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/07-10-02-capitalism-has-destroyed-educati.html ? Some higher education is free in Kazakhstan "Citizens compete for socialized institutions of higher learning." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Kazakhstan ? In Kazakhstan as of 2006 higher education was financed by grants and loans "Students are assigned financial aid in the form of state grants or loans based on their scores, and state-owned universities then accept students." http://www.gfme.org/global_guide/pdf/331-334%20Kazakhstan.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan#Education The Ministry of Education of Kazakhstan runs a highly successfull ?Bolashak scholarship, which is annually awarded to about five thousand ?applicants of Kazakhstan citizens. The scholarship funds their education and all living expenses abroad as well as transportation expenses once in a year from home to a ?university and back home. Free higher education continues to be offered in Kyrgyzstan http://www.country-studies.com/kyrgyzstan/education.html Higher Education is free in the Czech Republic http://www.ncee.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Czech-Education-System.pdf ? Higher Education no longer free in Tajikistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Tajikistan Higher education in Turkmenistan no longer free as of 2003 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Turkmenistan From: Spencer Graves To: Valerie D. Face Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:14 PM Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of the GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 Additions, corrections:? Please post to this list.? Thanks.? Spencer On 10/26/2011 8:00 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Here's a draft agenda that includes all of the items posted to this list as of 7:30 PM today.? This is what I'm bringing to the meeting, but note that we have time scheduled to revise and affirm the agenda if you want to make changes. > > > === Draft Agenda for GPSCC General Meeting on October 27, 2011 === > > Location:? San Jose Peace&? Justice Center, 48 S 7th St, San Jose > > 7:00 PM? Social time: practice one-minute speeches, eat, chat, etc. > > 7:30 PM? Begin meeting > > *? Choose > facilitator:? Tian > , note taker:? Spencer > , timekeeper, Jim > vibes watcher, Fred > November agenda preparer, Caroline > November one-minute speakers:? Jim Doyle, Merriam Kathleen >? ? ? ? 2 min > > *? Introductions >? ? ? ? 3 min ? ? ? Fred Duperault, Mt. View ? ? ? Betsy Wolf-Graves ? ? ? Spencer Graves ? ? ? John Thielkin ? ? ? Amy Samualson ? ? ? Valerie Face ? ? ? Jim Doyle, Treasurer ? ? ? Tian Harter ? ? ? Merriam Kathleen ? ? ? Caroline Yacoub ? ? ? Drew Johnson ? ? ? Isabela Lamar, been involved in CFJ ? ? ? Rosa de Leon, Californians for Justice > > *? Guest speaker from Californians for Justice >? ? ? ? 15 min (total, including Q&? A) ? ? ? A community based organizations primarily High School Students, Oakland, Longview, ...? working with 4 High Schools.? Have worked to get official certificates to acknowledge bilingual students.? "pushed out" NOT "dropped out".? A through G campaign = provide college prep education to all students.? Summer Youth Leadership Academy.? 1700 responses to a survey.? Campaign for Quality Eduction = coalition of other groups Perpatorio = 12th grade in Mexico:? graduating means you are ready for college.? You can get a high school diploma in the US without the ability to apply to college. ? ? ? California Dream Act:? a very important thing for students who want to go to college. > > *? Short announcements >? ? ? ? 7 min ? ? ? * Treasurer's report:? $2,757.28.? Paid $100 for a tile for the Peace Center $150 for our rent here + a couple of phone bills.? Bank is now charging a monthly fee. ? ? ? ? ? ? ** The Green now banks with BBVA bank that charges a monthly fee.? Jim tried Provident CU, Wells Fargo.? Jim wants to find a credit union that offers free checking. ? ? ? * Tabling:? Fall Junior State, Sat., Nov. 19.? Need a lead for Junior State = Caroline.? Tian will help. ? ? ? ? ? ? ** Sat. Dec. 3, Holiday Peace Center:? Approve $40 tabling fee and recruit volunteers.? Lead = Caroline with help from Merriam.? Need someone to attend the next meeting either Nov. 10 or 15, ~noon.? Tian may attend the next planning meeting. Willow Glen United Methodist Church. ? ? ? ? ? ? ** Protesting Bank of America at Cesar Chavez Park.? Thursday, Nov. 3, noon-2 PM. ? ? ? ? ? ? *** Delegates for the Green Party General Assembly in Southern California.? (It's the same weekend as the Peace Fair.)? We need? premeeting on the agenda.? Tian will be a delegate. Caroline will try to get her Grandson to help with the Peace Fair.? Merriam will be a delegate. ? ? ? * Registrar of voters & electing County Council: ? ? ? ? ? ? ** Proposal to join county council meeting with monthly meeting.? If an agenda item requires a decision of the County Council, we can adjourn temporarily while the County Council makes their decision.? Put it back in next month. ? ? ? * Movie Night:? No one showed up last month.? For the future, we might co-sponsor with Occupy San Jose.? We will do Network in November.? If we have poor attendance again, we must revisit the Movie Night idea. ? ? ? * Sherry Hankala (sp) event planned for next week, Friday, Nov. 4.? Sandy Perry is organizing this event.? The Green Party and DeBug are co-sponsoring.? Proposed:? Green Party of Santa Clara county endorse Sherry Hankala for Sheriff of Philadelphia.? Approved.? Tian to notifiy Sandy Perry. ? ? ? * November Speaker:? Masao Suzuki.? Or Committee against Political Repression: Latino teaching American History at Yerba Buena High School.? Merriam to get a November speaker. ? ? ? * two endorsements: ? ? ? ? ? ? ** The Disclose Act. ? ? ? ? ? ? ** Move to Amend (as long as we are clear that we are endorsing a movement but not any specific language).? Right now it's about education.? Later, they will develop specific language.? Endorsed.? Merriam and Caroline will tell Richard Hobbs. ? ? ? * Occupy San Jose:? There is an Occupy group on the campus of DeAnza.? donation + buttons:? Proposed:? Tian to make 25 buttons, offer them to Occupy San Jose and see what happens.? If they like them, he can do more.? Accepted. ? ? ? * Heathrow & Benton Harbor ? ? ? * Palo Alto Measure E. ? ? ? ** Announcements: ? ? ? ? ? ? ** Betsy:? Invites us this Saturday, Oct. 29:? Annual ACLU meeting at the Santa Clara Library, 2 PM:? Don Edwards Award, LaDoris Cordell, Independent Police Auditor of San Jose. ? ? ? ? ? ? ** John T.:? Rally at Occupy San Jose at 4 PM tomorrow. ? ? ? ? ? ? ** Merriam.? Her laptop died.? Merriam to get a Kindle. ? ? ? ? ? ? ** Merriam wants volunteers for Junior State, Sat. Nov. 19:? Tian and Drew. ? ? ? ? ? ? ** Fred:? There will be a huge demonstration of "Tax the Rich" Saturday, starting at noon. > > *? Revise and affirm agenda >? ? ? ? 4 min > > *? Treasurer's report, pass the hat >? ? ? ? 4 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Movie Night >? ? ? ? 6 min, Merriam Kathaleen > > *? Make a decision on a speaker for November meeting >? ? ? ? 4 min, group > > *? Campaign finance reform (carried over from September agenda) / Proposal to Endorse the California Disclose Act >? ? ? ? 5 min, Jim Doyle and Brian Good > > *? Fair and equitable taxation (carried over from September agenda) >? ? ? ? 3 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Select delegates&? alternates for GPCA General Assembly December 3-4; schedule packet review meeting >? ? ? ? 10 min, Warner Bloomberg > > *? Move To Amend: Do we want to sign on? >? ? ? ? 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub > > *? Bank of America: Let's do it again on Friday, November 4. >? ? ? ? 5 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Caroline Yacoub > > *? Election year infrastructure planning >? ? ? ? 20 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Getting recent contacts (13) involved >? ? ? ? 10 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Electing County Council >? ? ? ? 5 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Report on the Registrar of Voters >? ? ? ? 1 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Report on creative actions to stop an additional runway at London's Heathrow airport >? ? ? ? 1 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Report on creative actions to stop purchase of public property, to call for impeachment, community organizing to get a recall on the ballot and to win the recall >? ? ? ? 2 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Should we demonstrate at Bank of America or Wells Fargo? >? ? ? ? 5 min, Caroline Yacoub and Spencer Graves > > *? Greens doing buttons for Occupy movement >? ? ? ? _____ ?? min, Merriam Kathaleen > > *? Move to Amend >? ? ? ? _____ ?? min, Merriam Kathaleen > > *? Holiday Peace Fair, Saturday, December 3: Approve $40 table fee and recruit volunteers >? ? ? ? 4 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Participating in this year's fall state convention of Junior State of America on Saturday, November 19 >? ? ? ? 3 min, Jim Doyle > > *? Discussion of Occupy San Jose, including proposal for GPSCC to pay for some or all of the incremental insurance for vacant lot owned by San Jose First United Methodists >? ? ? ? 10 min, Merriam Kathaleen and Spencer Graves > > *? Discussion of "Four Puppet Politics" bookmark >? ? ? ? 5 min, Spencer Graves > > > TOTAL TIME: at least 139 minutes > (Merriam's two items without times are not included in the total.) > > > Respectfully, > Valerie Face > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email with Video Mail&? 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From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 28 14:56:10 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:56:10 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Final Details For The Human Banner Tomorrow In-Reply-To: <914469427.-1976577932@wfc.wfcDB.mail.democracyinaction.com> References: <914469427.-1976577932@wfc.wfcDB.mail.democracyinaction.com> Message-ID: <4EAB24FA.5080302@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Final Details For The Human Banner Tomorrow Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:54:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Newsham, The Other 98% Reply-To: newsham at mac.com To: gerrygras at earthlink.net *Dear Fellow Human Banner Participant,* *THANK you for registering for Saturday's event!* You may not be fully aware yet, but every single one of you/us makes a huge difference, and it is never so apparent as when you see the photos! All event details are viewable at the "Event Details" link at www.HumanBannerSF.com. When you arrive, please take a flyer from one of the volunteers you will see. And please note these few additional items below: *TARP / BLANKET* This is a small, last-minute, paranoid request, and (for you veterans) has not been part of any of our past events: *If you can, please bring a tarp or blanket or something to lie on for every member of your party.* Ideally, these would be at least six feet tall and three feet wide -- bright colors show up best. Tan (sand-colored) is the worst. We're hoping for and expecting a crowd in the 700-800 range or higher, but if we get something closer to the current number of registrants (499 right now), we're going to do a bold outline of each letter and leave a sand-colored stripe in its middle. If that's the case, we'll be positioning each person rather exactly to achieve maximum "crispness." Our blankets and tarps will come in very handy in marking out the borders of the lettering. If we get a big crowd, this request won't make any difference. *VOLUNTEERS?* I could use a few more people to show up early in the morning to help etch the lettering in the sand. We'll be starting at 7am. If you can come at that hour, please email me. Also, I'll need volunteers later in the morning, starting about 10, to serve as "letter captains" (some of you have done this in the past) and for a variety of other tasks, too. So, if you can, please. *BULLHORN?* I've got a small bullhorn. Anyone have a bigger one they can bring? *INVITE ANYONE YOU FEEL APPROPRIATE* The more the merrier--and the more impressive the photos. And the basic details: /Saturday. Human banner: TAX THE 1% -- Ocean Beach, San Francisco. Please arrive in the vicinity by 10:45am. Pick a spot in the lettering by 11:15./*/HELICOPTER OVERHEAD at noon sharp/*/. Should all be over by 12:30. Complete details and/*/PLEASE REGISTER/*/at /HumanBannerSF.com ./Please share this invite freely. Also: Facebook event page: /http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=169101683178048 //) See you soon. Brad Newsham (for Andrew, John, and the entire Other 98% team) newsham at mac.com 415-305-8294 From alexcathy at aol.com Fri Oct 28 19:50:42 2011 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:50:42 -0400 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bruce Dixon on Occupy Atlanta and the "Black Misleadership Class" Message-ID: <8CE63FCAEC5CD2C-28F0-1F83A@webmail-d162.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, Bruce A. Dixon is a distinguished journalist living in Marietta GA, where he is a principal at a strategic telephony and consulting firm, and a state committee member of the Georgia Green Party. He wrote this after Atlanta's African-American Mayor Kasim Reed ordered a violent crackdown on Occupy Atlanta. I have cross-posted the entire commentary because, in my opinion, this is a beautiful example of the critique I would like to see published about California's own "Black Misleadership Class." Where I live in Los Angeles, the 3 city council members most hostile to Occupy LA are the 3 African-Americans: Herb Wesson, my Councilman Bernard C. Parks, and mayoral candidate Jan Perry. Moreover, the overwhelming majority of L.A.'s race-obsessed presumed to be "progressive" intelligentsia has either been indifferent, lukewarm, or hostile to Occupy LA. Too many progressives cling to sentimental feelings about Democratic Party Hacks in communities of color -- bamboozled by 40-year-old myths that simply "Being Black" confers a special high-minded moral sensitivity for "the poorest of the poor" and "the most vulnerable" ... blah, blah, blah. If I had my way, documenting this phenomenon in Boston, New York, D.C., Philadelphia, St. Louis, Chicago, and everywhere else would be an on-going project of the Green Party Black Caucus. I am sincerely convinced that during this unprecedented crisis, independent progressive action is absolutely necessary to save the planet. And that means the Black wing of the Big City Democratic Party Machines must be destroyed! Do you think this is too harsh? Post a comment. I am sorry to report that we have no consensus among L.A. Greens about our relationship with Occupy LA and the "Black Misleadership Class." A few Greens insist on quoting the "Evil Lord" Bernard Parks as an "expert" on financial matters solely because in this one instance, Parks and Perry are in conflict with Richard Alarc?n who they detest for good reasons. I hate shooting off my mouth as a "lone wolf" but as many of you know, I have been city here in inner-city Los Angeles seething over this crap for years. I am determined to write a statement on this and I need your input. Please. Go to my blog and leave a comment -- whether you love it or hate it or just plain indifferent. Alex Walker LA Greens = = = = = = = = = = = Posted on The Black Commentator, October 26, 2011 Occupy Atlanta VS Kasim Reed, the Black Misleadership Class and the One Percent By Bruce A. Dixon Back in January 2010, I wrote that "...the black political elite no longer believes its mission is to fight for peace and justice. The newer, more cynical black elite are unmoored from their peace-and-justice-loving base. They are focused on their own careers, and the corporate largesse that makes those careers possible... the black politics of a previous generation, in which black candidates and public officials were expected to stand for something beside their own careers, is over..." I pointed to Atlanta mayor Kasim Reed as poster boy for this new and cynical generation of the black misleadership class. On Saturday afternoon, Atlanta mayor Kasim Reed screamed, shouted and threatened representatives of Occupy Atlanta, declaring that those who wanted to be arrested "would get their wish." After a mobilization of several hundred additional protesters, some barricades and a threatening display of police numbers, City Hall decided not to clear Woodruff Park that night. The mayor declared he would send a delegation of preachers to talk to occupiers, but that this would be their "last chance." . . . Please Read the Full Text and Leave a Comment at my blog: California Greening: http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2011/10/bruce-dixon-on-atlanta-template-for-la.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgshurt69 at aol.com Fri Oct 28 22:11:02 2011 From: jgshurt69 at aol.com (jgshurt69 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 01:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Just Keep Occupying...Rotate...Show Up! There Every Week or Every Day In-Reply-To: <8CE64103AB400DD-E08-90887@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> References: <4EAB113B.1080101@davidswanson.org><0FACD3C3-50ED-41FA-A289-9ECB307F8FA8@gmail.com> <8CE6410297DEFBD-E08-90880@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> <8CE64103AB400DD-E08-90887@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE6410494D2F9D-E08-90890@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: jgshurt69 To: gpsmc-d Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 6:10 pm Subject: Fwd: Just Keep Occupying...Rotate...Show Up! There Every Week or Every Day -----Original Message-----From: jgshurt69 To: ftprairiedog ; cmarcopulos ; pat1936 Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 6:10 pmSubject: Just Keep Occupying...Rotate...Show Up! There Every Week or Every Day-----Original Message-----From: Janet Weil To: Susan Harman Cc: Barbara Commins ; Dolores Perez Priem ; Karen Nyhus ; jgshurt69 ; Hedi at mcn.org Saraf ; Patricia Gray ; monacereghino at comcast.net Cereghino ; mlyon01 at comcast.net Lyon ; Jim Dorenkott ; miller.sharon8282 at gmail.com Miller ; barry at hermansons.com Hermanson ; lyfong at pacbell.net F ; Bob71947 Gorringe ; fidelity.limo ; eric6992 ; Richard Becker ; mwkathi ; Karen Melander Magoon ; Tanya Dennis ; artpersyko at gmail.com persyko Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 1:50 pmSubject: Re: [Activists] Occupy the Winter of Our DiscontentI recommend our email communications should be restricted to meetings announcements and other short, practical details.I am really not interested in reading people's long effusions and opinions, or getting long articles, often by writers whose work I read/listen to anyway.Sorry to sound grumpy folks, but I receive many dozens of emails as a CODEPINK staffer and a human being on many lists, including David Swanson's. I'm sure you all get a LOT of emails too.The more real work we are doing, the fewer and shorter emails we will send out.We need to talk face to face if we are doing real work.JanetOn Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Susan Harman wrote:Can someone PLEASE make us a listserve so we don't have to copy and paste for every email? I don't know how...SusanBegin forwarded message:From: David Swanson Date: October 28, 2011 1:31:55 PM PDTTo: Susan Harman Cc: activists at lists.mayfirst.orgSubject: [Activists] Occupy the Winter of Our DiscontentReply-To: david at davidswanson.orgOccupy the Winter of Our DiscontentBy David Swansonhttp://warisacrime.org/content/occupy-winter-our-discontentCan occupations survive a winter of global weirding, escalated police brutality, and the corporate media's venom? Should they?In some parts of the country there will be no cold weather. In others, police abuses will result in larger occupations, not smaller. And it's certainly possible that for the first time in recent years an independent progressive populist campaign will survive the enmity of the corporate media.In other cases, the cold, the communications assaults, fatigue, and the difficulties encountered by activist camps that also become homes for the homeless and the mentally ill may begin to erode the usefulness of encampments.What to do?Here's one activist's recommendations:Above all: stay! Continue to hold public space! Grow, and rotate people. No single person need stay forever. But the 99% of the 99% that cheers from the sidelines needs to get into the squares and parks. We don't need emails or phone calls or checks or pizzas so much as we need live bodies!In particular, return wherever police have sought to deprive us of our First Amendment rights. Those abuses cannot be tolerated or our rights will come under greater assault everywhere else. We must occupy precisely where we are told we cannot. The way to do this while keeping the conversation focused on what motivated us in the first place (the need to obey majority demands, to tax the rich, to prosecute the biggest criminals, to end the wars, to move the spending from the military to human needs) is this. We demand the right to petition our governments for a redress of grievances.That is the First Amendment right that is under assault.The strength of the Declaration of Independence was the great number of grievances against King George. We have a great number of grievances as well, and if CNN doesn't have time for them, well, it can lengthen its sound bytes. Our demands are not going to shrink except by being satisfied.Encampments can, with some difficulty, serve as bases for nonviolent action and as community gathering places and providers of community services. If done right, aiding the homeless, the hungry, and those in need of medical care can strengthen occupations that may very well turn out to be permanent.But the dominant focus should be on nonviolent resistance. Let's not just do theater or spectacle. Let's not just get in the way of commuters and others in the 99%. Let's get out of the streets and into the suites. Let's shut down offices.And, while the focus on the government's funders, handlers, and lobbyists is very useful, I'd like to see more focus on government. I do not mean working with or through government. I mean resisting it, interfering with it, preventing its operations, shutting it down. The 1% is represented, and the rest of us are not. Let's put a halt to those operations and insist on representative ones.If occupations end anywhere, they should not be ended by police or the media but by a transition to other tactics that appear more useful in that time and place, and those other tools should be up and running first before any occupation is phased out.Here are some ideas that are being tried or could be:Start a weekly event, ideally on a weekday, that includes a march or demonstration, a nonviolent resistance action, and a community gathering in a public space. Make this weekly action huge before considering whether to end the permanent occupation. Consider targeting warm buildings for nonviolent resistance.Occupy empty buildings as bases for the winter. Find a building owner who wants construction work done in exchange for occupation. Or just squat in buildings that are empty. Or find one of those many people who support us but will not join us who can donate the use of a building or a house, or who can cover the rent. We need to continue building community. Our strength comes from it.Plan bus tours from city to city, rolling occupations with big events at every stop.Plan people's conventions, regionally and nationally and internationally. This will involve something else that's critical at the level of the local Occupy event: choosing representatives. We must figure out, as many are figuring out, how to delegate responsibilities without losing democratic control.Plan huge events for the spring, including the start of an International Spring of Occupations.Make plans for OccupyTampa and OccupyCharlotte for the times of the two national conventions of the two political parties of the 1%.Do not go electoral. Do not go lobbyist. Do not divert money or time into campaigns. Do not spend your days drafting legislation or emailing congress members. Plenty of other people will do that stuff no matter what, and they will do it better if you're doing the more fundamental work of cultural change. Instead, put your skills into communications, education, outreach, inspiration, and organizing.The best way to improve the elections is to improve the society. The best way to destroy the society is to focus too heavily on elections. The rational choice between two bums who are both worse than the two who were offered up in the previous election cannot possibly be rational.We have larger work to do. It may take a long time. That should not affect our level of dedication. But when there is a moment of growing momentum, we must seize that moment to press forward with everything we've got.--?David Swanson is the author of "War Is A Lie"?JOIN HIM IN DC OCTOBER 6TH AT?http://october2011.orghttp://rootsaction.orghttp://warisacrime.orghttp ://davidswanson.orghttp://facebook.com/pages/David-Swanson/297768373319ht tp://twitter.com/davidcnswanson__________________________________________ _____Activists mailing listPost:?Activists at lists.mayfirst.orgList info (to subscribe or unsubscribe):?https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/activistsTo Unsubscribe via email???????Send email to: ?Activists-unsubscribe at lists.mayfirst.org???????Or visit:?https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/options/activists/susanharman1% 40gmail.comTo Subscribe via email???????Send email to:Activists-subscribe at lists.mayfirst.orgYou are subscribed as:?susanharman1 at gmail.com--Janet Weilhttp://codepinkalert.org/article.php?id=4135Bring Our War $ Home!Check out what CODEPINK local groups are doing!Follow me on Twitter: JanetRWeil From jgshurt69 at aol.com Fri Oct 28 22:18:08 2011 From: jgshurt69 at aol.com (jgshurt69 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 01:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Don't Fight the Police..Just Keep Occupying In-Reply-To: <8CE6411398612BD-E08-90969@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE6411398612BD-E08-90969@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CE64114765963D-E08-90971@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com> http://www.opednews.com/articles/Occupy-The-Winter-Of-Our-D-by-David-Swanson-111028-857.html -----Original Message----- From: jgshurt69 To: gpsmc-d Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 6:17 pm Subject: Don't Fight the Police..Just Keep Occupying http://www.opednews.com/articles/Occupy-The-Winter-Of-Our-D-by-David-Swanson-111028-857.html From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat Oct 29 01:50:59 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 01:50:59 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NEED TO IDENTIFY CITIES WITH GOOD RELATIONS WITH OCCUPY GROUPS In-Reply-To: <4EA9019A.6090901@earthlink.net> References: <2B075F1A-D784-414D-AAA7-749F656BEF40@gmail.com> <4E8C9FFF.2010703@earthlink.net> <4E8CC19C.6030008@earthlink.net> <014DD496-702D-4AFC-B149-67B8BB1F6E59@gmail.com> <4E8F5338.9080806@earthlink.net> <4E924236.1040806@earthlink.net> <1318306591.96757.YahooMailNeo@web160512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E94EBDC.5010901@prodsyse.com> <4E9552C8.7060705@earthlink.net> <4E955ADF.9060407@earthlink.net> <4E972398.3070408@earthlink.net> <4E99AAC9.3020105@prodsyse.com> <4EA8D1C7.2050800@prodsyse.com> <4EA9019A.6090901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EABBE73.7010201@prodsyse.com> Hello All: Elaine Brown, attorney for Occupy San Jose, has asked for help identifying other places in the US where there are reasonably good relations between local Occupy group(s) and public officials and what they are doing there to promote good relations between Occupiers and local authorities. 1. Do any of you know (or can any of you find) any good sources for this kind of information? If yes, could you please provide such information to at least me and Elaine Brown? 2. Can someone help me create something on the web to make it easy for multiple people to contribute information on this? For example, might a table in Google Docs be appropriate for this (e.g., with 4 columns: Occupy location, state, a narrative description of what is known of relations so far, and source for the information)? Occupy San Jose already have several Google Docs groups. I'm new to Google Docs. ELAINE: Can you please provide a description of how someone who is naive regarding Google Docs can find your notes from your meeting with City Officials? Thanks, Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 28 21:24:02 2011 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:24:02 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NEED TO IDENTIFY CITIES WITH GOOD RELATIONS WITH OCCUPY GROUPS In-Reply-To: <4EA9019A.6090901@earthlink.net> References: <2B075F1A-D784-414D-AAA7-749F656BEF40@gmail.com> <4E8C9FFF.2010703@earthlink.net> <4E8CC19C.6030008@earthlink.net> <014DD496-702D-4AFC-B149-67B8BB1F6E59@gmail.com> <4E8F5338.9080806@earthlink.net> <4E924236.1040806@earthlink.net> <1318306591.96757.YahooMailNeo@web160512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E94EBDC.5010901@prodsyse.com> <4E9552C8.7060705@earthlink.net> <4E955ADF.9060407@earthlink.net> <4E972398.3070408@earthlink.net> <4E99AAC9.3020105@prodsyse.com> <4EA8D1C7.2050800@prodsyse.com> <4EA9019A.6090901@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EAB7FE2.4090902@prodsyse.com> Hello All: Elaine Brown, attorney for Occupy San Jose, has asked for help identifying other places in the US where there are reasonably good relations between local Occupy group(s) and public officials and what they are doing there to promote good relations between Occupiers and local authorities. 1. Do any of you know (or can any of you find) any good sources for this kind of information? If yes, could you please provide such information to at least me and Elaine Brown? 2. Can someone help me create something on the web to make it easy for multiple people to contribute information on this? For example, might a table in Google Docs be appropriate for this (e.g., with 4 columns: Occupy location, state, a narrative description of what is known of relations so far, and source for the information)? Occupy San Jose already have several Google Docs groups. I'm new to Google Docs. ELAINE: Can you please provide a description of how someone who is naive regarding Google Docs can find your notes from your meeting with City Officials? Thanks, Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 29 21:48:13 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:48:13 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tax the 1% pictures Message-ID: <4EACD70D.3000703@earthlink.net> Now available at: http://www.humanbannersf.com/ Gerry From wrolley at charter.net Sat Oct 29 21:57:14 2011 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:57:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Michael Moore Message-ID: <4EACD92A.70509@charter.net> Watched Anderson Cooper 360 on CNN. He had Michael Moore speaking from Occupy Oakland. "http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/category/michael-moore/ - top of the page. Moore ended by making the point that he was only an individual, not a spokesperson.. just 1 of many. However much you like what he said, he was the one getting the air time and even with an image of his latest book on the screen... gotta get the plug in some way... made me laugh and made him look pompous. From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sat Oct 29 22:08:25 2011 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NEED TO IDENTIFY CITIES WITH GOOD RELATIONS WITH OCCUPY GROUPS In-Reply-To: <4EABBE73.7010201@prodsyse.com> References: <2B075F1A-D784-414D-AAA7-749F656BEF40@gmail.com> <4E8C9FFF.2010703@earthlink.net> <4E8CC19C.6030008@earthlink.net> <014DD496-702D-4AFC-B149-67B8BB1F6E59@gmail.com> <4E8F5338.9080806@earthlink.net> <4E924236.1040806@earthlink.net> <1318306591.96757.YahooMailNeo@web160512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E94EBDC.5010901@prodsyse.com> <4E9552C8.7060705@earthlink.net> <4E955ADF.9060407@earthlink.net> <4E972398.3070408@earthlink.net> <4E99AAC9.3020105@prodsyse.com> <4EA8D1C7.2050800@prodsyse.com> <4EA9019A.6090901@earthlink.net> <4EABBE73.7010201@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <1319951305.86548.YahooMailNeo@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I just now heard on ktvu ch2 that Santa Rosa protesters are being allowed to stay in their camp until the City Council meets on Tuesday, as long as there is no public urination, violence and so on. From: Spencer Graves To: Cc: GPSCC Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:50 AM Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NEED TO IDENTIFY CITIES WITH GOOD RELATIONS WITH OCCUPY GROUPS Hello All: ? ? ? Elaine Brown, attorney for Occupy San Jose, has asked for help identifying other places in the US where there are reasonably good relations between local Occupy group(s) and public officials and what they are doing there to promote good relations between Occupiers and local authorities. ? ? ? ? ? ? 1.? Do any of you know (or can any of you find) any good sources for this kind of information?? If yes, could you please provide such information to at least me and Elaine Brown? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2.? Can someone help me create something on the web to make it easy for multiple people to contribute information on this?? For example, might a table in Google Docs be appropriate for this (e.g., with 4 columns:? Occupy location, state, a narrative description of what is known of relations so far, and source for the information)?? Occupy San Jose already have several Google Docs groups.? I'm new to Google Docs. ELAINE:? Can you please provide a description of how someone who is naive regarding Google Docs can find your notes from your meeting with City Officials? ? ? ? Thanks, ? ? ? Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph:? 408-655-4567 web:? www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 30 08:53:02 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:53:02 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Suppression of Report about Bankers In-Reply-To: <4EAD71CB.2080003@earthlink.net> References: <4EAD71CB.2080003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EAD72DE.7010500@earthlink.net> FYI, "Clerics Suppress Report on Bankers' Greed to Save Church Embarrassment" "Cover-up at St Paul's" http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/30-0 Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 30 09:27:33 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:27:33 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "ABCs of Occupy" In-Reply-To: <4EAD7AB7.2040304@earthlink.net> References: <4EAD7AB7.2040304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EAD7AF5.8070507@earthlink.net> FYI, here's a succinct, clear explanation of what Occupy is about. And as far as I know, it's reasonably accurate. And it's written by someone local. "The ABCs of Occupy" http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/30 Gerry P.S. For those of you who are not near me, Los Altos is about 3 miles from my home. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 30 18:06:51 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:06:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] LA has or has planned to have good relations with OWS Message-ID: <4EADF4AB.9000603@sbcglobal.net> In the last few days I read a notice in the spanish language paper LA Opinion that the mayor of Los Angeles has openly stated he does not want to treat the protestors harshly and is looking for ways to accomplish this. In today's edition of LA Opinionthere is an article === A diferencia de los ocupantes del City Hall de Los ?ngeles, a los "indignados" del Valle de San Fernando les aplicar?a la ordenanza municipal que proh?be permanecer en un parque o en cualquier propiedad p?blica despu?s de las 10:30 de la noche. ==== that reports that Van Nuys is enforcing there curfew in contrast to LA which is not doing that. So, LA is trying to get along with the protestors. See also the LA Times item at http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1030-lopez-occupy-20111030,0,4348313.column entitled Occupy L.A.'s 99%: all talk, no action If the demonstrators are truly serious, maybe they should ditch the slumber party and get moving. Here are a few suggestions. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 30 18:16:01 2011 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:16:01 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] suggestions for OWS Message-ID: <4EADF6D1.7030606@sbcglobal.net> I found these suggestions at *http://tinyurl.com/6bov36e* Here are some ideas that are being tried or could be: Start a weekly event, ideally on a weekday, that includes a march or demonstration, a nonviolent resistance action, and a community gathering in a public space. Make this weekly action huge before considering whether to end the permanent occupation. *Consider targeting warm buildings for nonviolent resistance.* Occupy empty buildings as bases for the winter. Find a building owner who wants construction work done in exchange for occupation. Or just squat in buildings that are empty. Or find one of those many people who support us but will not join us who can donate the use of a building or a house, or who can cover the rent. We need to continue building community. Our strength comes from it. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Oct 31 01:12:19 2011 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:12:19 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Please forward!: "Why You Should Join the Wed., Nov. 2, Oakland General Strike" In-Reply-To: <1320022575.55979.YahooMailClassic@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1320022575.55979.YahooMailClassic@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EAE5863.6090109@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Please forward!: "Why You Should Join the Wed., Nov. 2, Oakland General Strike" Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Jan Please post the info below to e-mail lists, listserves, FaceBook pages, etc.!: (Whether they are "Greens", or not!). Thanks! Why You Should Join the Wednesday, November 2, Oakland General Strike You may have heard about this Wednesday's General Strike, with mass gatherings to be held at 9am, 12 noon, and 5pm -- at 14th and Broadway in downtown Oakland. The call for a general strike is not surprising given that an overwhelming majority of Americans believe banks and major corporations have too much power, support amending the U.S. constitution to affirm that corporations don?t have the same rights as people, and believe corporations have more control of our political system than average citizens do. For the past three decades the wealthiest 1% and their corporations have been taking an ever-increasing share of the income we produce, leaving the vast majority of us to make do with ever-smaller crumbs to survive on. Now is the time to take a stand and declare that we absolutely will not permit these outrages to continue. This coming Wednesday, November 2, those in the greater Oakland area will have a chance to make an extremely powerful statement by participating in the Oakland General Strike. We will be using one of the most powerful tools available to */we the people/* -- but a tool which has not actually been exercised in this country for over 60 years, since we last used it here in Oakland, in 1946. The Occupy Wall Street movement and Occupy Oakland have now presented each of us with a vital moral choice: Do we participate in the Oakland General Strike and help shift the direction of this country? Or do we allow giant corporations and the ultra-wealthy ever more free license to plunder the resources and wealth of this nation, and of our world? This is how you can participate in the strike: * Do not go to work * Do not go to school * Or at least, do everything you can to minimize those activities. * Do not patronize any banks or other corporations on Wednesday. Instead go to 14th and Broadway in downtown Oakland (near the 12th St. BART station) -- especially for the Wednesday mass gatherings at 9am, 12 noon, and 5pm. Everyone is encouraged to participate in the Oakland General Strike, regardless of where you live. For more details, please see: http://www.OccupyOakland.org If we now join together, we shall not fail with the great task before us. ========================================================== If you can, please forward this message to friends, e-mail lists, listserves, FaceBook pages, etc.