[GPSCC-chat] Fw: Important re: Congressional Perks

John Thielking pagesincolor at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 14 22:49:36 PDT 2011 

The constitution also should not be used to micromanage the govt in the way that the drafters of this amendment are doing.  It is bad enough that the CA constitution has so many micromanaging features in it.  Let's not do that to the federal constitution.
 
John Thielking

From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Important re: Congressional Perks

    When I used to do concrete work I was schmoozing with the building inspector one afternoon and he told me that the inspectors are very highly paid to ensure that they are happy with their jobs and are not tempted to take bribes.      I don't think that anybody would be naive enough to claim that the pension keepsour Congresscritters honest, but I do think that removing the pension would virtuallyguarantee that new Congressional Reps' first priority would be casting about for opportunities to feather their nests.  If a Congressional Rep halfway does his or her job s/he is going to antagonize some very powerful people and interests and the future is very uncertain.    The only way we can even dream that someday we'll have honest and courageous and hard-working and competent people in Congress is if they don't have to sacrifice their financial security.  The pension is cheap at the price and we should concentrate on electing people to the post
 who can actually earn it.  Lawrence Lessig points out Congress is our most directly democratic federal institution since its members areelected every 2 years and you can actually visit your Rep.  He believes that Congress is corrupting itself and making itself irrelevant due of its vulnerability to influence through campaign contributions.   Cutting the perks will only cause further deterioration, as only crooks, fools, and fanatics will run for the office. 
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:24:11 -0700From: carolineyacoub at att.netTo: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.orgSubject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Important 




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From: wworner at tampabay.rr.comTo: RSmith542 at Tampabay.rr.com, lionelax at hotmail.com, Tiggiemom at yahoo.com, Kentkat4 at aol.com, pmich50979 at AOL.com, KenandMJRockwood at aol.com, pes4610 at sbcglobal.net, January436 at Hotmail.com, bdiehl95124 at yahoo.comSent: 10/12/2011 7:48:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight TimeSubj: Fw: Important
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>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Ralph Marsh 
>To: rmarsh34 at tampabay.rr.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:01 PM
>Subject: Important
>
>
> 
> 
>Subject: New amendment
>>> 
>>>I have totally cleaned this e-mail from all other names, sending it to you in hopes you will keep it going and keep it clean. This is something I will fight for and I hope you all read it all the way through. You will be glad you did. 
>>>
>>>The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971 ... before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc. 
>>>
>>>Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land ... 
>>> 
>>>all because of public pressure. 
>>>
>>>I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. 
>>>
>>>In three days, most people in The United States of Americawill have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around. 
>>>
>>>Congressional Reform Act of 2011
>>>
>>>1. No Tenure / No Pension. 
>>> 
>>>
>>>A Congressman collects a salary while in office 
>>> 
>>>and receives no pay when they are out of office. 
>>>
>>>2. Congress (past, present & future) participates 
>>> 
>>>in Social Security. 
>>> 
>>>
>>>All funds in the Congressional retirement fund 
>>> 
>>>move to the Social Security system immediately. 
>>> 
>>>All future funds flow into the Social Security 
>>> 
>>>system, and Congress participates with the 
>>> 
>>>American people. It may not be used for any 
>>> 
>>>other purpose.
>>>
>>>3. Congress can purchase their own retirement 
>>> 
>>>plan, just as all Americans do. 
>>>
>>>4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay 
>>> 
>>>raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower 
>>> 
>>>of CPI or 3%. 
>>>
>>>5. Congress loses their current health care system 
>>> 
>>>and participates in the same health care system 
>>> 
>>>as the American people. 
>>>
>>>6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they 
>>> 
>>>impose on the American people. 
>>>
>>>7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen 
>>> 
>>>are void effective 1/1/12. 
>>> 
>>>
>>>The American people did not make these contracts 
>>> 
>>>with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these 
>>> 
>>>contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is 
>>> 
>>>an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers 
>>> 
>>>envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should 
>>> 
>>>serve their term(s), then go home and back to 
>>> 
>>>work. 
>>>
>>>
>>>If each person contacts a minimum of twenty 
>>> 
>>>people then it will only take three days for 
>>> 
>>>most people (in the U.S.) to receive the 
>>> 
>>>message. Maybe it is time. 
>>>
>>>THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete. 
>>>
>>>
>>>You are one of my 20+. Please keep it going. 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>  
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ralph Marsh 
To: rmarsh34 at tampabay.rr.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:01 PM
Subject: Important
 
 
Subject: New amendment
>> 
>>I have totally cleaned this e-mail from all other names, sending it to you in hopes you will keep it going and keep it clean. This is something I will fight for and I hope you all read it all the way through. You will be glad you did. 
>>
>>The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971 ... before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc. 
>>
>>Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land ... 
>> 
>>all because of public pressure. 
>>
>>I'm asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. 
>>
>>In three days, most people in The United States of Americawill have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around. 
>>
>>Congressional Reform Act of 2011
>>
>>1. No Tenure / No Pension. 
>> 
>>
>>A Congressman collects a salary while in office 
>> 
>>and receives no pay when they are out of office. 
>>
>>2. Congress (past, present & future) participates 
>> 
>>in Social Security. 
>> 
>>
>>All funds in the Congressional retirement fund 
>> 
>>move to the Social Security system immediately. 
>> 
>>All future funds flow into the Social Security 
>> 
>>system, and Congress participates with the 
>> 
>>American people. It may not be used for any 
>> 
>>other purpose.
>>
>>3. Congress can purchase their own retirement 
>> 
>>plan, just as all Americans do. 
>>
>>4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay 
>> 
>>raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower 
>> 
>>of CPI or 3%. 
>>
>>5. Congress loses their current health care system 
>> 
>>and participates in the same health care system 
>> 
>>as the American people. 
>>
>>6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they 
>> 
>>impose on the American people. 
>>
>>7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen 
>> 
>>are void effective 1/1/12. 
>> 
>>
>>The American people did not make these contracts 
>> 
>>with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these 
>> 
>>contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is 
>> 
>>an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers 
>> 
>>envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should 
>> 
>>serve their term(s), then go home and back to 
>> 
>>work. 
>>
>>
>>If each person contacts a minimum of twenty 
>> 
>>people then it will only take three days for 
>> 
>>most people (in the U.S.) to receive the 
>> 
>>message. Maybe it is time. 
>>
>>THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>If you agree with the above, pass it on. If not, just delete. 
>>
>>
>>You are one of my 20+. Please keep it going. 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>  
> 

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