From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sat Dec  1 02:24:20 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:24:20 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November meeting Green Party of Santa
 Clara County
In-Reply-To: <20121130.231621.11514.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20121130.231621.11514.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <50B9DAD4.9040700@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Valerie:


On 11/30/2012 11:16 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I don't see any notes under the "9:15 Techie committee for web site(s)..." item.  Did a discussion of any of those issues happen, or was that item skipped?


       John Thielking is considering hiring someone to write code to fix 
a Google mobile rendering problem he has identified: Specifically, 
certain tables get improperly rendered on certain mobile devices.  He 
has seen this problem with peacemovies.com and with the Santa Clara 
Greens web site.  If he can find someone who can fix that problem with a 
single line of HTML, he proposed to pay for it out of his 
peacemovies.com budget, and share the solution with the Green party.


       Thanks for the question.  My note taking broke down at that 
point.  Please excuse.


       Spencer
>
> Thanks,
> Valerie
>
> Please note: message attached
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> New Diet Pill Sales Soar
> New &#39fast acting&#39 diet pill flying off shelves admist consumer frenzy
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50b9af0b52022f0a6dedst04vuc
>
>
> Please post any additions, corrections, clarifications, etc. to this 
> list.  Thanks. Spencer
>
>
> On- 11/29/2012 3:45 PM, John Thielking wrote:
>> Seeing no objections to the draft agenda, this is now the final 
>> agenda for tonight's meeting. The only addition to the agenda is that 
>> an Iranian named Tanyer Vakili  (a friend of Leyla) has confirmed 
>> that he will be speaking at the Dec 8th event on Iran, Syria and 
>> Israel/Palestine.  Thanks.
>> John Thielking
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 11/27/12, John Thielking /<pagesincolor at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>     From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>>     Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda For GPSCC GA Meeting On
>>     November 29, 2012 7:30PM San Jose Peace Center
>>     To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>     Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 6:48 PM
>>
>>     Final  Agenda for November 29, 2012 Green Party of Santa Clara
>>     County GA meeting
>>
>>     7:00-7:30
>>
>>     So far as I know, we don't have a speaker lined up for this time.
>>     possible speaker - a welfare recipient 5 min?
>>
>>     7:30
>>
>>     Meeting begins. Identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper,
>>     vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next meeting.
>>
>
>
> facilitator:  Tian
>
>
> Note taker:  Spencer
>
>
> time keeper:  John t
>
>
> vibes:  Dana & Gerry
>
>
> agenda preparer:  John Thielking
>
>>
>>     7:35
>>
>>     Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda. Review
>>     minutes from October's meeting and approve. Announcement:
>>
>
>
> Sat. Dec. 8, New Community of Faith, 6350 Rainbow Dr., San Jos?, CA 
> 95129,  2-4 PM:  Dr. Sharat Lin speaking on "War and Peace with Iran, 
> Syria, and Palestine / Israel"
>
>
>>     AACSA fundraising fish fry December 8 African American Community
>>     Services Agency -- What time?   11 - 6
>>
> 304 N. 6th St., San Jose, CA 408-292-3157
>
>
>
> Tian Harter
>
>
> Dana St. George
>
>
> Gerry Gras
>
>
> Caroline
>
>
> Drew Johnson
>
>
> Spencer Graves
>
>
> Pete O'Brien, Peace & Freedom Party
>
>
> John Thielking
>
>
> Fred Dupperault
>
>
> David Merritt
>
>
> Sandy Perry
>
>
>>
>>     7:50
>>
>>     Treasurer's report and hat passing. Jim Doyle As a part of the
>>     treasurer's report: 5 min
>>
>>     paypal donation & $50 annual fee to SOS
>>
>
>
> collection:  $30 cash + $25 check
>
>
>>
>>     7:55 Holiday Peace Fair.
>>
>>     Who is tabling?
>>
>
>
> Dana & Gerry 11-noon
>
>
> Betsy 12-2
>
>
> John Thielking, all day
>
>
>>     Who is doing our dessert?
>>
>
>
> Dana St. George
>
>
>>     Any ideas for student helpers?
>>
>>     John and Caroline.
>>
>
>>     8:05 Human Rights Day march. Caroline.
>>
>
>
> Dec. 2 (first Sunday in Dec.) Story & King organized by Volutarios de 
> la Comunidad -- 3 mile march to City Hall.
>
>
> Dec. 7 - austerity crisis march -
>
>
> Dec. 10 similar march in Sacramento(?)
>
>>
>>     8:10 Demonstration to support Medicare, Social Security, etc.
>>     before they get thrown off the fiscal cliff.
>>
>>     Caroline
>>
>>
>
> (1) Flash Mob in San Francisco, Dec. 7, someplace;  contact Sandy.
>
>
> (2) tentative:  demonstration at Zoe Lofgren's office Monday, Dec. 10 
> organized by Single Payer Coalition + ???  ... contact Sandy.
>
>
>>     8:20 Sandy and Drew report on organizing at De Anza (10 min)
>>
>
>       Need to make announcements in the proper classes early in each 
> term to get students to volunteer to do project(s) with the Green Party
>
>
>>
>>     8:30 Caroline and Sandy report about Gavilan organizing. (5 min)
>>
>
>>
>>     8:35 Report back from Jr State.
>>
>
>
> Great event.  Do It Yourself button machine sold like crazy.
>
>
>>
>>     8:40 Should we start a series of pizza parties and/or other
>>     general interest events to build third party support? Should
>>     regular monthly meetings continue in current format or should the
>>     work be delegated to micro-committees who only have to check in
>>     with County Council to get approval for spending money? Contact
>>     Libertarians, Peace and Freedom, etc about pizza parties. Find
>>     out if we can get a regular venue for a GMO free potluck instead
>>     of a questionable GMO content pizza place. And/or should we try
>>     to spice up the monthly meetings by actually having speakers at
>>     7PM-7:30PM?
>>
>
> Th. Dec. 27:  Tian will see if he can get his clubhouse for a 
> holiday.  Tian will notify us tomorrow.
>
>
> ** What about webinars?
>
>
> ** What about having meetings in different places?
>
>>
>>     8:55 youth connections - 5 - 10 min
>>
>>
>>     9:00 4 year electoral plan 10 - 15 min
>>
>>     infrastructure, candidate(s), fundraising, gotv, social media, etc.
>>
>
> Next step:  Get CiviCRM software working for us.
>
>
> Generate joint list of candidates with Peace & Freedom, etc.
>
>>
>>     9:10 Jazzing up our literature and translating it into
>>     Vietnamese. Caroline
>>
>
> Jim Doyle has a volunteer who wants to do something.  We want 
> something more eye catching.  Many places we go in San Jos?, there are 
> more Vietnamese than Hispanic.
>
>>
>>     9:15 Techie committee for web site(s) and discussion of issues
>>     re:web sites and their accessibility. For example John Thielking
>>     has put out a job on a tech web site that allows people to hire
>>     web developers to hire someone to find a tech solution to the
>>     Google mobile rendering problem (where Google displays an
>>     inadequate "optimized" display of web pages on cell phones.) I am
>>     requesting that anyone I hire for this job will license the html
>>     code solution (if available) for Peacemovies.com and for free
>>     distribution to the Green Party and other interested parties.
>>     Caroline wants the web site to be updated with the correct
>>     contact info and up to date issues and events.
>>
>>
>
>
>>     9:25PM Last minute planning for Dec 8^th talk with Sharat Lin and
>>     Pete O'Reilly and possibly one other speaker on the subject of
>>     War and Peace with Iran, Syria and Israel/Palestine. Does the
>>     Green Party want to co-sponsor this event? Do we need to pay
>>     money for the venue? John is covering gas money for any out of
>>     town speakers who want to speak (Peace and Freedom party
>>     invitations have been sent out to people in SF). No more than 3
>>     speakers are recommended for this event.
>>
>>     An Iranian named Tanyer Vakili  (a friend of Leyla) has confirmed
>>     that he will be speaking at the Dec 8th event on Iran, Syria and
>>     Israel/Palestine.
>>
>
>
>       Drew knows a Tanyer.
>
>
> Drew will try to organize a meeting between Sharat and Pete.
>
>
> Spencer proposes the Green Party endorse a presentation by Sharat Lin 
> at the New Community of Faith Dec. 8.  We have a consensus.
>
>
> John is concerned that more than one point of view be presented. Drew 
> has Tanyer in his class, and Tanyer talks all the time.  John
>
>>
>>     9:35 Meeting ends
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>     sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>     <http://us.mc1229.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>     http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>>
>>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sat Dec  1 20:38:55 2012
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:38:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Please forward to your lists
In-Reply-To: <1354413595.68842.YahooMailNeo@web161504.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1354234741.72611.YahooMailNeo@web161501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: akio tanaka <akiot04 at yahoo.com>
To: andrea Dorey <andid at cagreens.org>; Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Sent: Sat, December 1, 2012 6:01:49 PM
Subject: Please forward to your lists


Hi Andrea and Caroline,
?
Can you forward the following final reminders to the SouthBay?Greens?
?
Aki
?
Subject: Please mail in?your KPFA Local Station Board ballot!

Dear Fellow Greens, 
?
Please take a moment?to mail in your ballot for the KPFA LSB election.
Ballot has to?be received in NY by 12-11,?so please mail in your ballot in the 
next few days.
There are six Greens (G)?running on the 'United for Community Radio' UCR slate.
Please rank vote for all ten candidates on the UCR slate. 

Rams?s T?on Nichols (G)?-?? Organizing Committee Chair of SEIU Local 1021, SF 
Green Party
Dr. Laurence Shoup (G) ??? Historian, Author ?Rulers and Rebels?,former Green 
Party candidate
Karen Pickett (G) -?? Earth First!, Bay Area Coalition for Headwaters, Global 
Justice Ecology Project
Andrea Pritchett (G) -??Incumbent board member, teacher, Copwatch founder
Samsarah Morgan (G) -??Oakland Green Party, Occupy Oakland, writer on birth, 
health and family
Dave Welsh -? ?Labor organizer, delegate SF Labor Council, Haiti Action 
Committee, Occupy Oakland
Oriana Saportas -???Community & Labor activist, former KPFA Local Election 
Supervisor
Kate Tanaka(G)??-???Incumbent board member, anti-corporate stalwart
Beth Seligman -?? Vegetarian occupier, permaculturist, writer, law degree
Virginia Browning -?? Long time KPFA activist, former radio programmer

Following is Dr. Larry Shoup's analysis of the elction:

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/11/27/18726512.php

[Dr. Shoup is the author "Rulers and Rebels: A People's History of Early 
California, 1769-1901" & other books. He's a Green Party stalwart, Longtime 
community and people's movement activist]
? 
Following is Akio Tanaka's analysis of the election:
http://sfbayview.com/2012/vote-united-for-community-radio-for-the-kpfa-local-station-board/

?
[Akio Tanaka has been a KPFA LSB?member 2006-2012]
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 10:52:09 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:52:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Minutes of November meeting Green Party of
	Santa Clar a County
In-Reply-To: <1354424063.70213.YahooMailRC@web181304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1354474329.70683.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

About the techie committee discussion at the last meeting:
?
There isn't much to tell.? I talked about hiring a techie to give me the html code to turn off google mobile rendering, if such a thing is possible.? I would pay for it and give the code to the Green Party. Other than that we kind of had a show of hands as to who would be interested in forming a techie committee.? A few people raised their hands, who did not get recorded unfortunately. If any of the people who raised their hands are reading this please reply in some form or other so we know who is interested in being on the techie committee. Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking

--- On Sat, 12/1/12, Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net> wrote:


From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Subject: Fw: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November meeting Green Party of Santa Clar a County
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 8:54 PM







Hi John, being the local technosaur, this was a part of the meeting I didn't tune in on that closely. Could you tell Valerie more about it?
Caroline



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Valerie D. Face <vdf at juno.com>
To: carolineyacoub at att.net
Sent: Fri, November 30, 2012 11:46:29 PM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November meeting Green Party of Santa Clar a County

Note: Forwarded message is attached.

Hi Caroline,

Thanks very much for replying.

Do you think that anyone who was there could summarize some of that discussion and send it to the list (or, for that matter, any other points that are missing from the notes)?? That would help everyone who wasn't there understand what's going on and what we might be doing in the future.? I was very interested in a few of the items on this month's agenda but I had another evening commitment (otherwise I would have attended).

Valerie

Please note: message attached


____________________________________________________________
New Diet Pill Sales Soar
New &#39fast acting&#39 diet pill flying off shelves admist consumer frenzy
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec  2 11:00:58 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:00:58 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Minutes of November meeting Green Party of
 Santa Clar a County
In-Reply-To: <1354474329.70683.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1354474329.70683.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50BBA56A.5060900@prodsyse.com>

On 12/2/2012 10:52 AM, John Thielking wrote:
> About the techie committee discussion at the last meeting:
> There isn't much to tell.  I talked about hiring a techie to give me 
> the html code to turn off google mobile rendering, if such a thing is 
> possible.  I would pay for it and give the code to the Green Party. 
> Other than that we kind of had a show of hands as to who would be 
> interested in forming a techie committee.  A few people raised their 
> hands, who did not get recorded unfortunately. If any of the people 
> who raised their hands are reading this please reply in some form or 
> other so we know who is interested in being on the techie committee. 
> Thanks.
>


       Thanks for the addition, John.  Beyond this, I've written an 
article for the Peace Times, which should appear in a week or so, 
proposing an email list and maybe webinars and physical meetings focused 
on information technology questions (computers, peripherals, software, 
the web, social media).  People interested in either asking or helping 
answer such questions are invited to write to me.


       Spencer

> Sincerely,
> John Thielking
>
> --- On *Sat, 12/1/12, Caroline Yacoub /<carolineyacoub at att.net>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>     Subject: Fw: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November meeting Green Party
>     of Santa Clar a County
>     To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>     Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 8:54 PM
>
>     Hi John, being the local technosaur, this was a part of the
>     meeting I didn't tune in on that closely. Could you tell Valerie
>     more about it?
>     Caroline
>
>     ----- Forwarded Message ----
>     *From:* Valerie D. Face <vdf at juno.com>
>     *To:* carolineyacoub at att.net
>     *Sent:* Fri, November 30, 2012 11:46:29 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November meeting Green
>     Party of Santa Clar a County
>
>     Note: Forwarded message is attached.
>
>     Hi Caroline,
>
>     Thanks very much for replying.
>
>     Do you think that anyone who was there could summarize some of
>     that discussion and send it to the list (or, for that matter, any
>     other points that are missing from the notes)?  That would help
>     everyone who wasn't there understand what's going on and what we
>     might be doing in the future.  I was very interested in a few of
>     the items on this month's agenda but I had another evening
>     commitment (otherwise I would have attended).
>
>     Valerie
>
>     Please note: message attached
>
>
>     ____________________________________________________________
>     New Diet Pill Sales Soar
>     New &#39fast acting&#39 diet pill flying off shelves admist
>     consumer frenzy
>     http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50b9b5b73a13d35b77290st02vuc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com

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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec  2 12:08:46 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:08:46 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KPFA board election
Message-ID: <50BBB54E.6040603@sbcglobal.net>

Akio Tanaka who once spoke to us aat one of our meetings
has sent this to me. It is a reminder about the KPFA local
advisory board election.

Hi Jim,
Can you forward the following reminder to the Santa Clara Greens?
Aki
*Subject:* Please mail in your KPFA Local Station Board ballot!
Dear Fellow Greens,
Please take a moment to mail in your ballot for the KPFA LSB election.
Ballot has to be received in NY by 12-11, so please mail in your ballot 
in the next few days.
There are six Greens (G) running on the 'United for Community Radio' UCR 
slate.
Please rank vote for all ten candidates on the UCR slate.
Rams?s T?on Nichols (G) - Organizing Committee Chair of SEIU Local 1021, 
SF Green Party
Dr. Laurence Shoup (G) ? Historian, Author ?Rulers and Rebels?,former 
Green Party candidate
Karen Pickett (G) - Earth First!, Bay Area Coalition for Headwaters, 
Global Justice Ecology Project
Andrea Pritchett (G) - Incumbent board member, teacher, Copwatch founder
Samsarah Morgan (G) - Oakland Green Party, Occupy Oakland, writer on 
birth, health and family
Dave Welsh - Labor organizer, delegate SF Labor Council, Haiti Action 
Committee, Occupy Oakland
Oriana Saportas - Community & Labor activist, former KPFA Local Election 
Supervisor
Kate Tanaka(G) - Incumbent board member, anti-corporate stalwart
Beth Seligman - Vegetarian occupier, permaculturist, writer, law degree
Virginia Browning - Long time KPFA activist, former radio programmer
Following is Dr. Larry Shoup's analysis of the elction:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/11/27/18726512.php
[Dr. Shoup is the author "Rulers and Rebels: A People's History of Early 
California, 1769-1901"
& other books. He's a Green Party stalwart, Longtime community and 
people's movement activist]
Following is Akio Tanaka's analysis of the election:
http://sfbayview.com/2012/vote-united-for-community-radio-for-the-kpfa-local-station-board/
[Akio Tanaka has been a KPFA LSB member 2006-2012]





From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  2 15:59:56 2012
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:59:56 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Challenging the Drone Wars
Message-ID: <BAY002-W229BCD0E7A3F15BEAA3A1319E410@phx.gbl>

The activists report on their trip a few weeks ago to meet anti-drone activists in Pakistan.


3--count 'em, 3!--shows!  Monday in Santa Clara, Tuesday in Palo Alto, Wednesday in San Jose.

Joe Lombardo, National Co-Coordinator, United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC)

Leah Bolger, President of Veterans for Peace / Retired Commander, US Navy

Toby Blome, Bay Area CodePink
Mon: 7:00 pm  3000 Scott Blvd, Suite 101, Santa Clara Tues: 7:00 pm  Midpeninsula Media Center, 900 San Antonio Rd., Palo Alto Wed. 7:00 pm  San Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 S. 7th St. San Jose 

questions:   jmackler at lmi.net 

questions Palo Alto:  

    
            
                    ppjc at peaceandjustice.org  650 326 8837

questions San Jose:
http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar_event.php?eid=20120524184948225



        









  		 	   		  
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun Dec  2 16:16:11 2012
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:16:11 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW: Notes from Medea, Swanson,
	Sheehan on Drones 11/11/12
In-Reply-To: <BAY002-W178766F7D28FCF3AE8D4A9F9E400@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY002-W178766F7D28FCF3AE8D4A9F9E400@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY002-W2052CEDF29EC6C03BA0C0C39E400@phx.gbl>





http://www.digitaljournal.com/blog/19482

'U.S. Wars -- Are They Lawful?' Medea Benjamin, David Swanson, and Cindy
 Sheehan spoke 11/11/12 at the Main Library in San Francisco.

 Cindy Sheehan -----  War continues in Iraq--with tens 
of thousands of mercenaries and five thousand embassy employees 
remaining?and in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, the 
Philippines, Syria.  800 US military bases worldwide make locals 
unhappy.


Three days after 9/11, Congress authorized military force against 
terrorism. Bush and Obama have used that authority to justify torture, 
drone warfare and war crimes.  Democratic wars are just as bad as 
Republican wars, which at least get some opposition. Now we have the 
NDAA [providing for indefinite detention of US citizens] and a 
17-year-old girl [can be be nominated for inclusion] on Obama's kill 
list.  When a president's executive order can kill thousands of innocent
 Libyans without asking Congress, that's totalitarianism.  After Obama's
 drone strikes in Pakistan on his third day in office, Sheehan called 
him a war criminal, and 40,000 unsubscribed from her list. Obama 
supporters are worse than the Bush supporters, and they say the same 
things. Give him a chance?  He's had his chance!  


David Swanson ----- http://warisacrime.org/
   Clear laws on the books making war, threats of war, and propaganda 
for war illegal are ignored or evaded, or reinterpreted to reverse their
 force.  Other nations would be prosecuted if they did what we do, and 
sometimes (when they're African) they are.  US wars take place in an 
environment of open bribery. 


World War One cost enough to give a furnished home and 5 acres to every 
family in Russia, the USA, Canada, Australia, and most of Europe--plus a
 library, hospital, and college to every city over 20,000.  Thus in 1928
 the Kellogg-Briand Pact  banned all war.  81 nations (including the 
USA) signed this treaty, but the USA does not comply. 

 

The U.N. Charter permits two war loopholes:  1) defensive wars and 2) 
U.N.-approved wars.  The US wages war on impoverished nations while 
claiming self-defense, and falsely claims UN approval.  

Though the UK 
decided that attacking Iran would be illegal and the U.N. Charter 
prohibits threatening war, the US threatens, and lies about, Iran 
constantly.  Illegal war propaganda is so pervasive we don't perceive 
it, and polls show that US residents want to attack Iran. 


Authorizations for force preceding the Afghanistan and Iraq wars 
permitted presidents to declare wars. The Iraq authorization was never 
repealed, and the White House has claimed that the Libyan war did not 
constitute "hostilities" requiring Congressional approval.  Our brave 
drones are striking in many nations without the knowledge, let alone 
authorization, of Congress--killing people with no charges, trials, or 
due process.  US drones targeted a 16-year-old Pakistani [Tariq Aziz] 
when he was videoing drone damage. 



The New York Times claims that a OLC [DoJ Office of Legal Counsel] memo 
provides  that murder is not murder, but Congress can't see the secret 
memo.  Most drone victims are innocents.  Others are targeted John Does 
whose behavior suggests alliance with legitimate defenses against US 
attacks.  The U.N. Special Rapporteur has called drone strikes 
extrajudicial killing.  The U.S. says that's none of his business.  One 
intelligence official was asked what foreign nation might attack the 
USA, and could not name even one.  The U.S. makes 85% of international 
weapons sales.  




Other countries try to uphold the law--Turkey prosecutes Israelis in 
absentia for murder in the Gaza flotilla, and Italy convicted CIA agents
 in absentia for kidnapping.  


Obama's 2008 transition team asked the public for action proposals. The 
top vote getter:  A Special Prosecutor for Bush's crimes.  Dean Edley 
from UC Berkeley Law School participated in the deliberations that 
decided that if they prosecuted, the CIA, NSA, and military would revolt
 and Republicans would block legislation. So now John Conyers's threat 
to impeach a president who attacked Iran is seen to exempt Democrats.  
We must protest, and vote against, and consider impeachment for, anyone 
in Congress or the White House who gives an inch on protecting Social 
Security and Medicare, who votes for anything above 75% of current 
military budgets, or who fails to oppose wars or to act against climate 
change.  No more honeymoons. 




Medea Benjamin ----- Codepink, formed for just a couple
 of actions, is still at it after 10 years. Pakistan lives in a state of
 terror. 42 civilians were killed at a community gathering. As Senate 
Intelligence Committee chair, Diane Feinstein oversees the CIA secret 
wars.  She's not doing her job.  When ACLU tried to get CIA documents, 
government lawyers disputed that the drone wars' existence had been 
publicly recognized.  We all know they exist.  Feinstein claims her 
staff's viewing of drone strike videos to ensures that the drones are 
used judiciously.  

The CIA is on a killing spree.  Look back at to CIA's
 Phoenix program of assassinations.  Congress said the CIA was supposed 
to be Intel, not paramilitary, so we had the Church hearings in the 
1970s.  Why is Diane Feinstein not holding hearings? She must be 
accountable.


Nancy Pelosi sits on her butt.  Her last Town Hall meeting was in 2006! 
 The Authorization for Use of Military Force, the legal foundation for 
war after 9/11, specified going after people involved with, or 
associated with, the 9/11 attacks. Many people targeted now were 10 
years old on 9/11, and we are targeting organizations that did not exist
 on 9/11. 


Three quarters of Pakistanis call the USA its enemy and feel the USA has
 no respect for the Pakistani people.  The Pakistani legislature three 
times asked that the drone strikes be stopped, one time voting 
unanimously.


Hellfire missiles give no opportunity to surrender.  The attacks are 
disproportional:  of thousands killed, only 49 were high-level targets. 
 

Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan said a democratic society should not 
engage in state targeted assassination.  Obama claims no Congressional 
drone authorization is needed when US soldiers are not at risk. 




In March, 2012 Attorney General Holder told a law school audience at 
Northwestern University that there is no constitutional right to 
judicial process, that the demand for "due process" was fulfilled by 
executive deliberations. Washington Post recently reported that the 
"disposition matrix" assassination program will go on ten years at 
least.  


Under Bush, drone attacks were every 40 days; under Obama, it's every 4 
days. As  manufacturers seek to place drones in each of 18,000 police 
departments in this country, we should reach out to the many groups 
[across the ideological spectrum] that will suffer surveillance.  We 
must return to respect for the rule of law and free our country from the
 military-industrial complex so we can enjoy the respect of the world.  
We must demand that hundreds of billions of dollars in military funding 
be returned to productive domestic service.


Q/A


Swanson: When the law is not enforced, our ingenious legal arguments are
 beside the point.  We need a coalition to take on the 
military-industrial complex, the bankers, and the plutocrats.  




Benjamin:  A week-long protest is planned at the General Atomics drone 
factory in San Diego, with a national call, similar to the School of the
 Americas action.  A single Hellfire missile costs enough to build four 
schools.  Peace is a better investment than is drone warfare. 




Sheehan: Proposals for a constitutional convention:  Triple or quadruple
 the number of representatives in Congress.  Require respect of the sovereignty of other nations.  We need a brand-new constitution.  Equal 
rights for women.  Resist war taxes.  Surround the White House.  No more
 petitions.  No more  legitimizing the crimes.  Don't vote for them. 




Swanson:  Amend so corporations are not people, money is not speech.  
We're asking a broken Congress to fix itself.  Ban private money in 
elections, give free airtime to candidates, and public financing of 
campaigns. Hand-counted paper ballots. Increase the size of the House 
and eliminate the Senate.  Rights to housing, health care, and equality.
   Government by referendum is preferable to what we've got.  Connect to
 the faith-based, ask women's organizations to address the wars that are
 claimed to protect the rights of women. Turn off your TV. 
Rootsaction.org is the new MoveOn.  Inauguration demonstrations are 
planned.  Rebuild the peace movement. John Boniface wants to launch a 
suit about the drone wars.  droneswatch.org  


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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  2 16:53:27 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:53:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW: Notes from Medea, Swanson,
	Sheehan on Drones 11/11/12
In-Reply-To: <BAY002-W2052CEDF29EC6C03BA0C0C39E400@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1354496007.70044.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

"Is drone warfare legal?" Wrong question.? As Ramona Africa would say: "Just because it's legal don't make it right."
?
John Thielking

--- On Sun, 12/2/12, Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW: Notes from Medea, Swanson, Sheehan on Drones 11/11/12
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Sunday, December 2, 2012, 4:16 PM











http://www.digitaljournal.com/blog/19482

'U.S. Wars -- Are They Lawful?' Medea Benjamin, David Swanson, and Cindy Sheehan spoke 11/11/12 at the Main Library in San Francisco.

?Cindy Sheehan ----- War continues in Iraq--with tens of thousands of mercenaries and five thousand embassy employees remaining?and in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, the Philippines, Syria. 800 US military bases worldwide make locals unhappy. 

Three days after 9/11, Congress authorized military force against terrorism. Bush and Obama have used that authority to justify torture, drone warfare and war crimes. Democratic wars are just as bad as Republican wars, which at least get some opposition. Now we have the NDAA [providing for indefinite detention of US citizens] and a 17-year-old girl [can be be nominated for inclusion] on Obama's kill list. When a president's executive order can kill thousands of innocent Libyans without asking Congress, that's totalitarianism. After Obama's drone strikes in Pakistan on his third day in office, Sheehan called him a war criminal, and 40,000 unsubscribed from her list. Obama supporters are worse than the Bush supporters, and they say the same things. Give him a chance? He's had his chance! 

David Swanson ----- http://warisacrime.org/ Clear laws on the books making war, threats of war, and propaganda for war illegal are ignored or evaded, or reinterpreted to reverse their force. Other nations would be prosecuted if they did what we do, and sometimes (when they're African) they are. US wars take place in an environment of open bribery. 

World War One cost enough to give a furnished home and 5 acres to every family in Russia, the USA, Canada, Australia, and most of Europe--plus a library, hospital, and college to every city over 20,000. Thus in 1928 the Kellogg-Briand Pact banned all war.? 81 nations (including the USA) signed this treaty, but the USA does not comply. The U.N. Charter permits two war loopholes: 1) defensive wars and 2) U.N.-approved wars. The US wages war on impoverished nations while claiming self-defense, and falsely claims UN approval. 

Though the UK decided that attacking Iran would be illegal and the U.N. Charter prohibits threatening war, the US threatens, and lies about, Iran constantly. Illegal war propaganda is so pervasive we don't perceive it, and polls show that US residents want to attack Iran. Authorizations for force preceding the Afghanistan and Iraq wars permitted presidents to declare wars. The Iraq authorization was never repealed, and the White House has claimed that the Libyan war did not constitute "hostilities" requiring Congressional approval. Our brave drones are striking in many nations without the knowledge, let alone authorization, of Congress--killing people with no charges, trials, or due process.? US drones targeted a 16-year-old Pakistani [Tariq Aziz] when he was videoing drone damage. 

The New York Times claims that a OLC [DoJ Office of Legal Counsel] memo provides that murder is not murder, but Congress can't see the secret memo. Most drone victims are innocents. Others are targeted John Does whose behavior suggests alliance with legitimate defenses against US attacks. The U.N. Special Rapporteur has called drone strikes extrajudicial killing.? The U.S. says that's none of his business. One intelligence official was asked what foreign nation might attack the USA, and could not name even one. The U.S. makes 85% of international weapons sales. 

Other countries try to uphold the law--Turkey prosecutes Israelis in absentia for murder in the Gaza flotilla, and Italy convicted CIA agents in absentia?for kidnapping. 

Obama's 2008 transition team asked the public for action proposals. The top vote getter: A Special Prosecutor for Bush's crimes. Dean Edley from UC Berkeley Law School participated in the deliberations that decided that if they prosecuted, the CIA, NSA, and military would revolt and Republicans would block legislation. So now John Conyers's threat to impeach a president who attacked Iran is seen to exempt Democrats. We must protest, and vote against, and consider impeachment for, anyone in Congress or the White House who gives an inch on protecting Social Security and Medicare, who votes for anything above 75% of current military budgets, or who fails to oppose wars or to act against climate change.? No more honeymoons.? 

Medea Benjamin ----- Codepink, formed for just a couple of actions, is still at it after 10 years. Pakistan lives in a state of terror. 42 civilians were killed at a community gathering. As Senate Intelligence Committee chair, Diane Feinstein oversees the CIA secret wars. She's not doing her job. When ACLU tried to get CIA documents, government lawyers disputed that the drone wars' existence had been publicly recognized. We all know they exist. Feinstein claims her staff's viewing of drone strike videos to ensures that the drones are used judiciously. 

The CIA is on a killing spree. Look back at to CIA's Phoenix program of assassinations. Congress said the CIA was supposed to be Intel, not paramilitary, so we had the Church hearings in the 1970s. Why is Diane Feinstein not holding hearings? She must be accountable. Nancy Pelosi sits on her butt. Her last Town Hall meeting was in 2006! The Authorization for Use of Military Force, the legal foundation for war after 9/11, specified going after people involved with, or associated with, the 9/11 attacks. Many people targeted now were 10 years old on 9/11, and we are targeting organizations that did not exist on 9/11. 

Three quarters of Pakistanis call the USA its enemy and feel the USA has no respect for the Pakistani people. The Pakistani legislature three times asked that the drone strikes be stopped, one time voting unanimously. Hellfire missiles give no opportunity to surrender. The attacks are disproportional: of thousands killed, only 49 were high-level targets. 

Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan said a democratic society should not engage in state targeted assassination. Obama claims no Congressional drone authorization is needed when US soldiers are not at risk. 

In March, 2012 Attorney General Holder told a law school audience at Northwestern University that there is no constitutional right to judicial process, that the demand for "due process" was fulfilled by executive deliberations. Washington Post recently reported that the "disposition matrix" assassination program will go on ten years at least. 

Under Bush, drone attacks were every 40 days; under Obama, it's every 4 days. As manufacturers seek to place drones in each of 18,000 police departments in this country, we should reach out to the many groups [across the ideological spectrum] that will suffer surveillance. We must return to respect for the rule of law and free our country from the military-industrial complex so we can enjoy the respect of the world. We must demand that hundreds of billions of dollars in military funding be returned to productive domestic service. 

Q/A 

Swanson: When the law is not enforced, our ingenious legal arguments are beside the point. We need a coalition to take on the military-industrial complex, the bankers, and the plutocrats. 

Benjamin: A week-long protest is planned at the General Atomics drone factory in San Diego, with a national call, similar to the School of the Americas action. A single Hellfire missile costs enough to build four schools. Peace is a better investment than is drone warfare. 

Sheehan: Proposals for a constitutional convention: Triple or quadruple the number of representatives in Congress. Require respect of the sovereignty of other nations. We need a brand-new constitution. Equal rights for women. Resist war taxes. Surround the White House. No more petitions. No more legitimizing the crimes. Don't vote for them. 

Swanson: Amend so corporations are not people, money is not speech. We're asking a broken Congress to fix itself. Ban private money in elections, give free airtime to candidates, and public financing of campaigns. Hand-counted paper ballots. Increase the size of the House and eliminate the Senate. Rights to housing, health care, and equality. Government by referendum is preferable to what we've got. Connect to the faith-based, ask women's organizations to address the wars that are claimed to protect the rights of women. Turn off your TV. Rootsaction.org is the new MoveOn. Inauguration demonstrations are planned. Rebuild the peace movement. John Boniface wants to launch a suit about the drone wars. droneswatch.org ### 

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  2 18:35:31 2012
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (gerry)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:35:31 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Animal Cruelty
Message-ID: <20052105.1354502131504.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Ok, apparently noone is available to meet with the
Mountain View high school student.  Can anyone suggest
some resources that would provide info about animal
abuse in agribusiness or animal testing?

Gerry



From vdf at juno.com  Mon Dec  3 00:12:08 2012
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:12:08 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Minutes of November meeting Green Party of
	Santa Clar a County
Message-ID: <20121203.001208.30993.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>

Thanks!  FYI, although I was not able to make it to the meeting, I am interested in being on the "techie" committee.

Best wishes,
Valerie

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About the techie committee discussion at the last meeting:
?
There isn't much to tell.? I talked about hiring a techie to give me the html code to turn off google mobile rendering, if such a thing is possible.? I would pay for it and give the code to the Green Party. Other than that we kind of had a show of hands as to who would be interested in forming a techie committee.? A few people raised their hands, who did not get recorded unfortunately. If any of the people who raised their hands are reading this please reply in some form or other so we know who is interested in being on the techie committee. Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking

--- On Sat, 12/1/12, Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net> wrote:


From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Subject: Fw: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November meeting Green Party of Santa Clar a County
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 8:54 PM







Hi John, being the local technosaur, this was a part of the meeting I didn't tune in on that closely. Could you tell Valerie more about it?
Caroline



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Valerie D. Face <vdf at juno.com>
To: carolineyacoub at att.net
Sent: Fri, November 30, 2012 11:46:29 PM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November meeting Green Party of Santa Clar a County

Note: Forwarded message is attached.

Hi Caroline,

Thanks very much for replying.

Do you think that anyone who was there could summarize some of that discussion and send it to the list (or, for that matter, any other points that are missing from the notes)?? That would help everyone who wasn't there understand what's going on and what we might be doing in the future.? I was very interested in a few of the items on this month's agenda but I had another evening commitment (otherwise I would have attended).

Valerie

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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec  3 14:18:09 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:18:09 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] student seeking help re animal abuse
Message-ID: <50BD2521.4080604@sbcglobal.net>


      /People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals/ (/PETA/): The animal
      *...*
      <http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.peta.org%2F&ei=niS9UP-vOuGmiQKC4YGoAg&usg=AFQjCNGv43aBodePOC-rafYfWYPjrMB_Dg>

www.*peta*.org/
/PETA's/ animal rights campaigns include ending fur and leather use meat 
and dairy
consumption fishing hunting trapping factory farming circuses bull 
fighting *...*


From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  4 09:58:06 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 09:58:06 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] winning an election
Message-ID: <50BE39AE.7050906@sbcglobal.net>

Elizabeth Warren was elected to the US Senaate.
Here is how she did it (per a fundraising email):


Let's be clear: we won our election because we stuck to our values,
we talked about real issues, and we put our money where our mouth was --
into the grassroots and our Get Out the Vote program.

I couldn't be prouder of our effort. In the last four days before the 
election,
our grassroots volunteers knocked on more than 600,000 doors.
On Election Day, more than 20,000 people volunteered and knocked on almost
400,000 doors. Those numbers are unlike any we've ever seen in 
Massachusetts.


For example, we knew we would have to buy a LOT of coffee and pizza
all across the Commonwealth for our volunteers. After all, we've been 
proud beyond
words to have one of the scrappiest, toughest grassroots armies ever 
assembled in
Massachusetts or even the country -- and a grassroots army moves on 
coffee and pizza.

But even our high expectations were shattered. Thousands more volunteers 
showed up --
and that meant even more last-minute coffee and pizza.

And more people called in asking for help to get to the polls.
We were delighted, but it meant we needed to rent dozens more
vans to drive every last one of them to their voting places.


From eric at philosopherswheel.com  Tue Dec  4 10:32:29 2012
From: eric at philosopherswheel.com (Eric A. Meece)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:32:29 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] winning an election
In-Reply-To: <50BE39AE.7050906@sbcglobal.net>
References: <50BE39AE.7050906@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <0FB691F569294CC1A1B6A7E743A03800@eameecePC>

She's good. But I wonder if it could all go up in smoke if Obama nominates 
John Kerry to be Secretary of State, and the Dems in Mass don't have a good 
candidate to replace him. Brown could go right back in.

Eric M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Doyle" <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
To: "gdis >> sosfbay discussion group" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:58 AM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] winning an election


> Elizabeth Warren was elected to the US Senaate.
> Here is how she did it (per a fundraising email):
>
>
> Let's be clear: we won our election because we stuck to our values,
> we talked about real issues, and we put our money where our mouth was --
> into the grassroots and our Get Out the Vote program.
>
> I couldn't be prouder of our effort. In the last four days before the 
> election,
> our grassroots volunteers knocked on more than 600,000 doors.
> On Election Day, more than 20,000 people volunteered and knocked on almost
> 400,000 doors. Those numbers are unlike any we've ever seen in 
> Massachusetts.
>
>
> For example, we knew we would have to buy a LOT of coffee and pizza
> all across the Commonwealth for our volunteers. After all, we've been 
> proud beyond
> words to have one of the scrappiest, toughest grassroots armies ever 
> assembled in
> Massachusetts or even the country -- and a grassroots army moves on coffee 
> and pizza.
>
> But even our high expectations were shattered. Thousands more volunteers 
> showed up --
> and that meant even more last-minute coffee and pizza.
>
> And more people called in asking for help to get to the polls.
> We were delighted, but it meant we needed to rent dozens more
> vans to drive every last one of them to their voting places.
> _______________________________________________
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> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> 



From vdf at juno.com  Wed Dec  5 00:42:16 2012
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 08:42:16 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bill McKibben finishes "Do the Math" tour & wants
	folks to share NY Ti	mes article
Message-ID: <20121205.004216.13077.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

Hi folks,

FYI, a brief update from Bill McKibben at the end of his "Do the Math" tour with links to a good article from the New York Times that he'd like people to share is at:
http://gofossilfree.org/so-this-is-exciting/

I traded a couple of hours of volunteer work for free admission to the Palo Alto "Do the Math" tour stop in November 10.  The crowd was large and enthusiastic, and McKibben's presentation was logical and compelling.  I'm glad to learn that this divestment movement is growing.

Best wishes,
Valerie

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed Dec  5 13:43:16 2012
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:43:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Reminder committee meeting for Save the Safety
	Net-Oops! meant Dec.6
Message-ID: <1354743796.61769.YahooMailRC@web181305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>





----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Katherine Bock <kbock3 at sbcglobal.net>
To: pegelwell at aol.com; Greg Miller <brogregm at sbcglobal.net>; Joan Simon 
<peacenut99 at yahoo.com>; enrique valencia <evalencia at afscme.org>; 
perrysandy at aol.com; lucinda gutierrez <chindaelisea at yahoo.com>; jose sandoval 
<josanlo at msn.com>; Ruth McKinney <r.m.mckinney at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 12:54:04 PM
Subject: Correction: Reminder committee meeting for Save the Safety Net-Oops! 
meant Dec.6


Correction: Meeting is tomorrow, Dec. 6 at 9 a.m. at LISHC? 

--- On Wed, 12/5/12, Katherine Bock <kbock3 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


>From: Katherine Bock <kbock3 at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Reminder committee meeting for Save the Safety Net for Our Children and 
>Grandchildren
>To: perrysandy at aol.com, "Greg Miller" <brogregm at sbcglobal.net>, 
>pegelwell at aol.com, "Joan Simon" <peacenut99 at yahoo.com>, "enrique valencia" 
><evalencia at afscme.org>, "lucinda gutierrez" <chindaelisea at yahoo.com>, "jose 
>sandoval" <josanlo at msn.com>
>Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012, 12:47 PM
>
>
>Hi, All,
>
>We agreed to meeting at 9 a.m. tomorrow Thursday Nov. 6 at the Low-Income 
>Self-Help Center.?? See you there!?? I'll make the coffee .?? Anyone want to 
>bring the bagels and cream cheese, fruit or whatever??? Invite any and all you 
>wish.??Meanwhile, here is the language for the notice to distribute far and 
>wide:? 
>
>
>We have Zoe's support in Congress and for this event, but it is crucial that we 
>do all we can to publicize what is being pushed forward in Washington, while 
>they think we? are relaxing after the election and settling into holidays.?? 
>
>
>________________________________

>
>SAVE THE SAFETY NET FOR
>OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN!
>NOT A DIME FOR WALL STREET!
>We call for a vigil and rally December 10 in front of Congresswoman Zoe 
>Lofgren?s office to support her pledge to save Social Security, Medicare, and 
>Medicaid. Unscrupulous politicians are now using a fictitious ?fiscal cliff? to 
>intimidate Congress into dismantling the safety net programs that millions rely 
>on to survive. America?s budget problems can easily be solved by making banks 
>and corporations to pay their taxes just like the rest of us do.
>Please join us in setting up tents on Congresswoman Lofgren?s office lawn at 8 
>a.m. on Monday, December 10. We will hold a vigil there all day and rally at 12 
>noon. We intend to ensure that Congress does not back down an inch from 
>defending these programs that are supported by 70% of the American people.
>VIGIL: STARTING AT 8 AM MONDAY, DECEMBER 10
>RALLY:12 NOON
>PLACE:CONGRESSWOMAN ZOE LOFGREN?S OFFICE, 635 N. FIRST ST, SAN JOSE
>Sponsored by Low-Income Self-Help Center, California Alliance of Retired 
>Americans, Silicon Valley Independent Living Center, SIREN (Services, Immigrant 
>Rights, and Education Network), South Bay Labor Council, Voluntarios de la 
>Comunidad. 
>
>Kahteirne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Katherine Bock
>The Low-Income Self-Help Center
>525 W. Alma
>San Jos?, CA 95125
>(408) 599-4590 cell
>phone (408) 977-1275 / fax (408) 977-1650
>Co chair Santa Clara County Single Payer Health Care Coalition
>
>?
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed Dec  5 13:47:53 2012
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:47:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Climate Change --- the Biggest Human Rights and
	Survival Issue of Our Time!
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----- Forwarded Message ----
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Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 12:18:30 PM
Subject: Climate Change --- the Biggest Human Rights and Survival Issue of Our 
Time!


Subject:? Climate Change --- the Biggest Human Rights and Survival Issue of Our 
Time!
>
>From: kwazinkrumah at aol.com
>
>Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:30:06 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>Please check out this very clear assessment of the trajectory of global warming 
>and its current and future impact on human rights and the struggle for human 
>life itself throughout the world.? --- Kwazi Nkrumah.
>
>(Thanks to Ed Pearle for forwarding this one to me. I strongly recommend 
>actually watching the film clip of the live interview rather than simply reading 
>it in print. It will be well worth a few minutes of your time, even on a very 
>busy day! )
>
>
>?
>http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/4/fmr_irish_president_mary_robinson_climate 

>?
>Former Irish President Mary Robinson: Climate Change the Biggest Human Rights 
>Issue of Our Time
>?
>Democracy Now: December 04, 2012
>?
>Guest:? Mary Robinson, president of the Mary Robinson Foundation??Climate 
>Justice. She served as president of Ireland from 1990 to 1997 and U.N. high 
>commissioner for human rights from 1997 to 2002. She is a member of the Elders 
>and the Club of Madrid and the recipient of numerous honors and awards, 
>including the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Obama.
> We begin today??s show from the U.N. climate change summit right here in Doha 
>with Mary Robinson. She was the first female president of Ireland and former 
>U.N. high commissioner for human rights. Today she heads the Mary Robinson 
>Foundation??Climate Justice.
>And we welcome you to Democracy Now!
>MARY ROBINSON: Thank you, Amy.
>AMY GOODMAN: Talk about what is happening here at the U.N. climate summit.
>MARY ROBINSON: I wish more was happening here that was real for people outside 
>Doha and who need an urgent and ambitious climate agreement. Unfortunately, 
>there is a lot of position taking. It??s almost like a trade negotiation rather 
>than an urgent meeting about staying below 2 degrees Celsius, getting urgent 
>commitments on emissions, on adaptation, on transfer of technologies and on 
>finance. And it??s really very frustrating for those who come hoping that the 
>negotiators will take their responsibility.
>AMY GOODMAN: Let me ask you about a quote of Todd Stern, the U.S. climate 
>negotiator, last year in Durban, when the U.S. opposed the inclusion of the 
>concept of equity in the Durban mandate, saying it would be used to enforce 
>binding emissions targets on developed countries, the biggest polluters. He 
>said, "If equity is in, we are out." What does "equity" mean?
>MARY ROBINSON: Well, equity is in the convention, and so is common but 
>differentiated responsibilities and respective capability. So it can??t be out 
>of these climate negotiations. And equity means fairness, basically. It means 
>that we have to take into account the injustice of the fact that it??s the 
>fossil fuel growth in the United States, Europe and other developed parts of the 
>world, which has contributed to undermining development of very poor people, 
>undermining their livelihoods. I??ve seen it all over Africa and South Asia. To 
>me, as a human rights person, it??s unconscionable that we will not take that 
>seriously and talk about equity.
>But equity isn??t a zero-sum game. Equity is not negative. It??s actually 
>potentially very positive. It means that we can get a fair agreement that 
>provides access to clean energy for the 1.3 or 1.4 billion who have no 
>electricity in the 21st century and the 2.6 billion who cook on charcoal and 
>animal dung and coal and ingest fumes that kill two million people a year. So, 
>we can actually change the quality of life for both rich and poor countries in a 
>way that doesn??t undermine happiness and good livelihoods.
>AMY GOODMAN: President Robinson, what is your assessment of the U.S. role here? 
>It??s significant not just because we??re an American broadcaster, but because 
>it??s clearly, so much of the time, calling the shots here.
>MARY ROBINSON: There was expectation that the Obama administration would lead on 
>climate. And I can understand some of the reasons why it was not possible in the 
>first term. And I??m glad now that President Obama??s gone on??going on a 
>listening tour, that he has referenced climate and the impact of it. And there 
>is a huge need for leadership by the United States, because this is the most 
>important decision that any negotiators will take, that we get a good climate 
>agreement by 2015, the Durban enhanced platform, and that it must deal with 
>issues of equity, not just in mitigation, but in adaptation for poor 
>communities, in transfer of technologies so that the right to development of 
>poor communities is respected, and in financing in order to help that.
>There was a good decision made here in Doha, and that was on increasing the 
>participation of women, having gender balance in all the bodies of the UNFCCC 
>and in the delegations, and having gender on the agenda. How did we get it? 
>Because every delegation actually wanted this to happen. And the spirit??
>AMY GOODMAN: Well, explain, because we certainly don??t see that right now??
>MARY ROBINSON: Yeah.
>AMY GOODMAN: ??at the summit, and yet, when you look at environmentalists around 
>the world, so many of them, environmental leaders, are women.
>MARY ROBINSON: Yeah, and women are very affected by climate, when it undermines 
>poor livelihoods. So, having a good gender balance will make a difference in the 
>future. But I think it was also an indication that where there is a will to 
>achieve decisions, they can happen here. Why is there not a will to have a 
>climate agreement that is fair and equitable, but that deals with the fact that 
>the World Bank is telling us, "Turn down the heat; a 4-degree world is 
>catastrophic"?
>You??ve had Hurricane Sandy. You??ve had drought in the western part of the 
>United States. The United States??Midtown Manhattan, where I used to live, is 
>not climate-resilient when there is a big flooding. And, you know, think of poor 
>communities who are affected. So we need to ensure that climate is more 
>people-focused.
>We??ve just concluded an agreement with the World Resources Institute based in 
>Washington for a climate justice dialogue, to open up space to talk about 
>equity, to talk about what African countries think about it, what the United 
>States thinks about it, what China thinks about it, what India thinks about it, 
>because nobody is talking about what we need to talk about.
>AMY GOODMAN: Well, talk about Africa. You are one of the Elders, considered??you 
>know, Nobel Peace Prize laureates from around the world. You spend a lot of time 
>in Africa, as well. What does equity mean there?
>MARY ROBINSON: I think what is really very evident in African countries now is 
>that climate change is real and hurting. It??s real in Kenya, where you have 
>long periods of drought and flash flooding, and in Uganda. In Liberia, when I 
>talk to my friend Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, the president, she says, "Mary, when I 
>was growing up, we used to have rainy seasons that were predictable. Now, a 
>rainy season comes for far too long. I can??t mend my roads. I can??t plan my 
>economy." And all over Africa, the effects of climate change are being felt.
>AMY GOODMAN: And particularly on women, why are women the hardest hit?
>MARY ROBINSON: Because women are 80 percent of the farmers in Africa. Women have 
>to produce the food on the table. Women have to go still further for water. It 
>takes up far more of their time now. They??re very, very stressed. And yet, 
>women are also forming groups to be able to counter this. We all loved Wangari 
>Maathai, and unfortunately she died too early, but there are actually a lot of 
>women like that who are engaging in tree planting, who are engaging in water 
>management, in order to try to improve the situation. They??re not just 
>adapting, they??re mitigating. They??re doing it because they have to. They??re 
>on the edge. They??re stressed. Why can??t we in the richer parts of the world 
>understand it??s going to affect all of us? We??re all in a kind of sinking ship 
>together, going into a 4-degree-or-plus world. There is no way we will have a 
>peaceful world.
>You know, the good thing about women is, we are very intergenerational. I think 
>a lot about my four grandchildren. They will be in their forties in 2050. They 
>will share the world with nine billion others. I worry not just about my 
>grandchildren. What kind of world will it be when we have far more weather 
>shocks, far more drought, far more food insecurity and water stress? I mean, 
>what will they say about us? Why didn??t we get real here in Doha? Why didn??t 
>the United States give more leadership in Doha and beyond? That??s the questions 
>that the next generation will ask of us.
>AMY GOODMAN: Many are accusing the U.S. of attempting to dismantle the Kyoto 
>Protocol, which it never signed onto to begin with, by moving away from binding 
>commitments and going to voluntary targets. As we conclude, as you wrap up to go 
>to yet another meeting here, what about voluntary targets?
>MARY ROBINSON: Amy, I don??t think voluntary targets alone are enough. We can 
>have a lot of voluntary in the private sector and elsewhere??everybody has to 
>take their responsibility??but we do need binding, verifiable targets for all 
>now. And that??s what the??actually, it??s what is in the Durban enhanced 
>platform. It??s an agreement for all countries, because the emerging economies 
>are becoming the biggest emitters. They??ll be the biggest historical emitters 
>in the future, when we look back. So, we need a new willingness, a new trust. 
>And that can only come from leadership, particularly of those who need most to 
>lead, and the United States is on the forefront of that.
>AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Mary Robinson, you were the president of Ireland. Then you 
>were the U.N. high commissioner for human rights. Now you are running the Mary 
>Robinson Foundation, and you??re focusing on what you call "climate justice." 
>Why are??has climate become your major issue?
>MARY ROBINSON: Because climate change is posing one of the biggest human rights 
>challenges I have ever known of the century. It??s undermining 
>livelihoods??rights to food and safe water and health and education. It??s 
>having people displaced by climate, and that can bring conflict. We??re told 
>that we are likely to have as many as 200 million climate-displaced people by 
>2050. That??s not very far away. Where will they go? What kind of conflict will 
>that bring about? So, I wake up every morning thinking we have to be more 
>urgent, we have to be more ambitious. When I sit in the halls here and listen to 
>the clich??s of trade negotiators, who should be talking about the future of the 
>planet, it??you know, I cannot tell you how??and yet, I get great hope from 
>young people from the business community. I took part in a climate summit of 
>business leaders yesterday. They want the climate negotiators to be more urgent, 
>and they want the United States to take more leadership??
>AMY GOODMAN: The business leaders??
>MARY ROBINSON: The business leaders, absolutely.
>AMY GOODMAN: ??are calling on the U.S. to take more action.
>MARY ROBINSON: Calling on not just the U.S., on the EU, on the U.S., on the rest 
>of the world, because they want to do business, and they can see that we are not 
>going to have a sustainable future unless we act now.
>AMY GOODMAN: Mary Robinson, I want to thank you very much for being with us.
>MARY ROBINSON: Thank you, Amy. OK.
>AMY GOODMAN: Mary Robinson is president of the Mary Robinson Foundation??Climate 
>Justice. She was the president of Ireland from 1990 to 1997 and served as the 
>U.N. high commissioner for human rights from 1997 to 2002. She??s a member of 
>the Elders and the Club of Madrid and the recipient of numerous honors and 
>awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom from the president of United 
>States, Barack Obama.
>This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. When we come 
>back, we??ll be joined by the lead climate negotiator from the Philippines as 
>news comes down right now of one of the worst hurricanes in Philippine history 
>taking place as we broadcast here in Doha, Qatar. Stay with us.AMY GOODMAN:
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From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  5 14:55:56 2012
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 14:55:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Rescheduling Syria, Iran talk
Message-ID: <1354748156.41026.YahooMailNeo@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

We are rescheduling the talk by Dr. Sharat Lin on Syria and Iran that we were going to hold this Saturday 8th of Dec. 2-4 at New Community of Faith (aka "The Rainbow Church"). ?New date TBD.

Green is GO!

Drew
?
~*~*~*~
Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America
Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
? ?  First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed Dec  5 16:03:29 2012
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:03:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Mother Nature belongs at the bargaining table
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu>
Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:10:32 PM
Subject: Mother Nature belongs at the bargaining table


Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 21:40:10 +0000
>From: Jill Stein <HQ at JillStein.org>
>Subject: Mother Nature belongs at the bargaining table
>
>
> 
>Dear Shane,? 
>
>Earlier this week I heard the shocking report from the International Energy 
>Agency that we'll have 3.5 degrees Celsius warming by 2040. This is the first 
>time that climate apocalypse has been acknowledged -- by a reputable, 
>conservative scientific group -- to be happening in our lifetimes.
>
>Today, an opinion article I authored began appearing in newspapers across the 
>United States. I've included the my article below. Please share it with your 
>friends and family. As Rosa Clemente has said, building momentum for the Green 
>New Deal and the Green Party is not just an alternative, it is the imperative.
>
>? ~ Jill Stein
>
>
>Mother Nature belongs at bargaining table
>
> By Jill Stein. Distributed via? OtherWords, a syndication service, this article 
>is currently running in newspapers across the United States.
>
>Throwing the nation over the climate cliff will make our current fiscal 
>challenges look like a minor bump in the road.
>
>As the highly scripted stagecraft of the presidential campaign fades from the 
>headlines, there's a new show in Washington. ???Fiscal Cliff??? stars President 
>Barack Obama, who urges Republicans and Democrats to agree on a ???grand 
>bargain??? that would soften the economic shock of the impending 
>across-the-board tax and spending cuts. But that bipartisan handshake would be 
>nothing to celebrate.
>
>Here's why: Both parties are intent on imposing an austerity budget bloated with 
>military spending and private-industry health insurance waste. That would be a 
>raw deal for the American people.
>
>It's a sign of Washington's rightward drift that a Democratic president has 
>offered to put Social Security on the chopping block, even though it hasn't 
>contributed one dime to the deficit. And Obama has offered to cut Medicare 
>rather than pursue an improved ???Medicare for All??? insurance system that 
>could save trillions over the next decade by eliminating the wasteful 
>bureaucracy and medical inflation inherent in our private health insurance 
>system.
>
>Equally troubling, both parties are ignoring another problem that's truly 
>critical: the climate cliff.
>
>Our planet is rapidly approaching a geophysical tipping point at which the 
>consequences of climate change, such as the disappearance of polar ice caps and 
>the melting of frozen methane deposits, trigger an unstoppable acceleration of 
>warming. Once that happens, it will render our climate incompatible with 
>civilization as we know it.
>
>Throwing the nation over the climate cliff will make our current fiscal 
>challenges look like a minor bump in the road.
>
>Mother Nature must also have a seat at the negotiating table as our leaders hash 
>out their supposedly grand bargain. In a nation already reeling from droughts, 
>wildfires, and superstorms, budget priorities must reconcile the climate and 
>economic imperatives. After all, they're ultimately one and the same.
>
>Our current drive to expand oil and gas drilling on U.S. soil is part of a 
>bipartisan energy policy that's doing nothing to reduce unsustainably high 
>carbon emissions. Showpiece programs to encourage renewable energy alternatives 
>like solar and wind can't avert climate disaster unless they're going to replace 
>fossil fuels.
>
>The $15 billion a year that Obama wants to invest in renewable energy is a small 
>fraction of what's being spent every month on the latest Wall Street bailout. 
>Any boost the environment might get from his administration's showpiece 
>renewable energy programs is more than cancelled by its promotion of dirty 
>energy that runs from natural gas fracking to coal and nuclear reactors, and an 
>expansion of oil drilling in our national parks, offshore, and in the Arctic.
>
>We can avoid both the fiscal and climate crises only if we democratize our 
>priorities and put the public interest ahead of the profiteering elite. One 
>blueprint for this is the? Green New Deal, which served as the mainstay of my 
>presidential bid as the Green Party's nominee. Our plan would launch an 
>emergency program to create 25 million jobs in green energy, sustainable 
>agriculture, public transportation, and infrastructure improvements. It would 
>also cut spending, making big tax hikes unnecessary.
>
>Our Green New Deal would be funded by a combination of waste-cutting and 
>targeted fair-tax reforms. These include scaling back the Pentagon's bloated 
>budget to year 2000 levels.
>
>A ???Medicare for All??? health insurance system would provide health care to 
>everyone, while eliminating the massive private health insurance bureaucracy and 
>reducing the medical inflation that's straining federal, state, and household 
>budgets alike.
>
>Our proposed tax reforms would extend the Bush tax cuts for 90 percent of 
>Americans. It would rein in Wall Street speculation with a small (0.5 percent) 
>tax on financial transactions, generating $350 billion annually. Capital gains 
>would be taxed as income, and income would be taxed more progressively, with 
>multi-millionaires and billionaires paying in the 50-80 percent range, just as 
>they did before the tax giveaways of recent decades.
>
>If we are to have an economy that serves the people and creates a livable planet 
>for the future, we must insist on nothing less than a grand bargain that is 
>truly worthy of the name.
>
>Jill Stein won half a million votes as the Green Party's presidential nominee in 
>2012.? http://JillStein.org
>
>Distributed via? OtherWords, a syndication service, this article is currently 
>running in newspapers across the United States.
>________________________________
Please take an immediate step by making a donation: 
http://www.jillstein.org/donate
>Authorized and paid for by Jill Stein for President
>PO Box 260217, Madison, WI 53726-0217
>http://www.JillStein.org 
>
>
>
>-=-=-
>Jill Stein for President ? United States 
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu Dec  6 15:50:59 2012
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:50:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [HCA-SantaClara] Re: Vigil & Rally - Monday,
	December 10th (see details)
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To: HCA-SantaClara at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 6, 2012 1:58:54 PM
Subject: [HCA-SantaClara] Re: Vigil & Rally - Monday, December 10th (see 
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? 


--- In HCA-SantaClara at yahoogroups.com, "Joan" <peacenut99 at ...> wrote:
>
> SAVE THE SAFETY NET FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN! NOT A DIME FOR WALL ST! 
>DON'T BACK DOWN AN INCH !
> Vigil all day Monday, December 10 in front of Congreeewoman Zoe Lofgren's, to 
>support her pledge to save Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. We will 
>supply food, fun and education !!
> Come one, come all !!! Sponsored by Low-Income Self-Help Center, California 
>Alliance of Retired Americans, Silicon Valley Independent Living Center, SIREN 
>(Services, Immigrant Rights, and Education Network), South Bay Labor Council, 
>Voluntarios de la Comunidad. 
>
>


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  6 20:25:23 2012
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:25:23 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Climate Change News
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A number of climate change news recently.

Summary:
- 350.org nationally
   (Winona LaDuke spoke in at least 2 places)
- 350.org locally

- James Hanson critical of "cap and trade",
   prefers carbon tax
- article by Jill Stein
- article about James Inhofe
- article by Amy Goodman
- a letter to Chevron

- Chasing Ice - movie about glaciers


======== Do the Math Tour =======

Bill McKibben finished his Do the Math Tour
on Monday.  Some news at:
     http://math.350.org/
(Winona La Duke spoke at the Minneapolis and
Boulder events.)

The New York Times had an article about the tour:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/business/energy-environment/to-fight-climate-change-college-students-take-aim-at-the-endowment-portfolio.html

========= Local 350 news ==========

A new group, 350 Bay Area was created:
http://www.350bayarea.org/ .
They had a meeting Tuesday.  I think it was the
first one ope to the public.  About 80 people
attended.  Info including pictures at:
     http://www.350bayarea.org/

They announced that there would be a 350 Silicon
Valley group.

========= James Hanson =========

James Hanson critical of "cap and trade",
prefers carbon tax:
http://blog.sfgate.com/energy/2012/12/05/climate-guru-slams-cap-and-trade/


========= Common Dreams News ==========

"Mother Nature Belongs at the Bargaining Table"
"Throwing the nation over the climate cliff will make our current fiscal 
challenges look like a minor bump in the road."
by Jill Stein	
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/12/05-8

"Climate Skeptic Sen. Inhofe Makes Surprise Appearance at COP18"
"Accuses Obama of 'handing over billions to UN in the name of global 
warming'"
     http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/12/06-12

"A Carbon Tsunami in Doha"
by Amy Goodman
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/12/06-0

"A Letter To Chevron?s CEO: Your Business Is Creating A Climate 
?Incompatible With An Organized Global Community?"
     http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/12/06-2


================= "Chasing Ice" ===============

The "Chasing Ice" movie (about disappearing glaciers)
is out now:
http://www.chasingice.com/see-the-film/showtimes-2/

Berkeley - NOW
San Jose - NOW
Palo Alto - 12/14

It appears to have turned around at least one global
warming denier:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/11/28/1250151/watch-self-described-climate-skeptic-says-shes-changed-by-chasing-ice-documentary/

Gerry



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri Dec  7 11:58:41 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:58:41 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: BREAKING: Election fraud in Prop 37? - your help
 can make a difference
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	BREAKING: Election fraud in Prop 37?
Date: 	Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:29:44 +0000
From: 	Dave, Food Democracy Action! <info at fooddemocracynow.org>
Reply-To: 	Dave, Food Democracy Action! <info at fooddemocracynow.org>
To: 	Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>



    ****Stand up for open and transparent elections!
    **
    <http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=1&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->**

****<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=2&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

*Join us in standing up for open and transparent elections - join us in 
reporting "statistical anomalies" and 6 million votes for Prop 37 !
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=3&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->*

Dear Spencer,

While reports of election fraud have circulated on the Internet, at Food 
Democracy Now! we have been closely monitoring the results as they?ve 
come in and had not heard any credible reports of possible voting 
irregularities - until now.

Yesterday, we received some disturbing news from a voter integrity 
monitor, claiming that possible ?statistical anomalies? had been 
detected in 9 counties in California.

According to Francois Choquette, a statistician closely monitoring 
incoming election results in California, there were significant 
?irregularities? in the vote totals for prop 37 to label genetically 
engineered foods that could not be explained by random coincidence.

Right now a team of independent statisticians are analyzing raw voter 
data or ?preliminary data from 17 of California's 58 counties?. 
Potential anomalies have been detected in a number of the largest 
precincts in Orange, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Alameda and San Diego 
counties, among others.

And while Food Democracy Now! can?t say if election fraud has taken 
place, we want Prop 37 supporters to be aware of the fact that the 
results from the election are not over and we're asking you to be 
vigilant in standing with us as we call for further inquiry into these 
questionable patterns.

*Join us in standing up for open and transparent elections and to ask 
California Secretary of State Debra Bowen to make sure that the election 
results from Prop 37 are properly counted.* 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=4&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

*http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=6&akid=686.143688.hQZwl- 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=5&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->*

*The next 24 hours are critical.* Right now county election officials in 
the state of California are required to report their final results to 
the Secretary of State?s office by (today) *Friday December 7^th *. 
According to state law, Secretary of State Debra Bowen has until 
December 14^th to certify the results of the election.

And this is where we have some concern.

On election night the California Secretary of State?s office called the 
election for the No side, declaring that Yes on 37 to label genetically 
engineered foods had failed to pass by a margin of 46.9% to 53.1%, with 
some 4.3 million Californians having been reported voting Yes on 37 by 
the next morning. Since then the ballot proposition to label genetically 
engineered foods has slowly and steadily advanced both its vote total 
and percentage of the total vote.

*California SOS Website Reports 6 Million Votes for Prop 37, Then Votes 
Disappear*

//As of Monday, December 3^rd  at 4:58 pm, the California Secretary of 
State?s office reported that Prop 37 had garnered 48.5% votes to the No 
side?s 51.5%, with 5,986,652 voting to Label GMOs and 6,365,236 
Californians voting against.//

/The following morning, ccording to the California Secretary of State?s 
website the Yes on 37 campaign had received 6,004,628 votes and edged 
down to 48.4% of the vote total. The timestamp on the California 
Secretary of State?s website showed December 4, 2012, 6:04 a.m./

Six million votes is an important milestone for the election and the 
growing movement of millions of Americans that support labeling of 
genetically engineered foods across the country that were inspired by 
Prop 37.

I immediately shared the news via Twitter @food_democracy at 8:40 am PST.

Less than an hour later, the site was no longer showing the 6 million 
vote total. After capturing a screenshot, I Tweeted the image and then 
contacted the Secretary State?s office.

When asked about the discrepancy, the Secretary of State?s office 
claimed their office would no longer being updating the vote total until 
after December 14^th , when the election is required by law to be certified.

When asked why, the Secretary of States? office claimed that making 
updates to the official site were ?no longer cost effective?.

After several calls to the Secretary of State?s office, their staff 
refused to give the number of remaining uncounted ballots and only 
stated that the latest vote totals were posted on the website and this 
information would not be updated until December 14^th . This seems odd, 
since the Secretary of State's website had updated the vote count every 
day until December 4th, when the Yes side briefly appeared above 6 
million votes.

*Join us in standing up for open and transparent elections and to ask 
California Secretary of State Debra Bowen to make sure that the election 
results from Prop 37 are properly counted.* 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=7&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

Please share the screenshot below showing more than 6 million votes for 
Prop 37 to label GMOs, this may be our only hope to make sure that open 
and transparent election results are reported in California.

*Click on the link below to share the image of the disappearing 6 
million vote total for Yes on 37 on Twitter.*

Post on Twitter 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/722?t=8&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

*Click on the link below *to share the image of the disappearing 6 
million vote total for Yes on 37* on Facebook.*

Post on Facebook 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/724?t=9&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

Now *spread the word* and share this with your friends to stand up for 
transparent elections and your Right to Know!


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This 
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*No on 37 Fraudulent Behavior During Campaign
*

Right now we are uncertain if election fraud has taken place, but we 
find the reports and these developments with the California?s Secretary 
of State?s website and their office?s responses troubling. Currently, 
less than 400,000 votes separate the Yes on 37 campaign from the No 
side. The voters of California deserve the truth.

The No on 37 campaign ran one of the dirtiest elections in modern 
history with a constant stream of lies and fraudulent activity. As if 
spending more than $46 million on an endless stream of TV and radio ads 
wasn?t enough, the No on 37 campaign sent more than a half dozen 
fraudulent mailers from Democratic and environmentalist front groups, 
made demonstrably false statements in the official California Voter 
Guide as well as the fraudulent misuse of the official seal of the U.S. 
Food and Drug Administration.

While none of these specific incidents can be used to bring the 
opposition to court or overturn the election, the current vote total 
irregularities taking place in California are concerning.

Right now, 48 hours before the final results vote counts from county 
election officials are to be handed over to the Secretary of State?s 
office, we need a strong showing of support for transparency and democracy.

*Stand up for open and transparent elections, ask California Secretary 
of State Debra Bowen to make sure election results from Prop 37 are 
properly counted.* 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=12&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

*http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=14&akid=686.143688.hQZwl- 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=13&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->*

*Please stand with us and share this news far and wide*.

Together we have already shown that we can stand up to the most powerful 
corporations on the planet, it?s time to make sure our democracy is as 
safe as our food supply.

Thanks for participating in food democracy,

Dave, Lisa and the Food Democracy Now! Team

*Background*:

1. "Proposition 37: Genetically Engineered Foods Labeling", California 
Secretary of State, December 3, 2012, 4:58 p.m.

http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/725?t=16&akid=686.143688.hQZwl- 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/725?t=15&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

2. ?Election fraud in California Prop 37? vote count hits 6 million, 
then CA Secretary of States site loses 18,000 votes? 
pic.twitter.com/hlk4VM7i 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/726?t=17&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->? 
@food_democracy,  December 4, 2012

http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/727?t=19&akid=686.143688.hQZwl- 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/727?t=18&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

3. ?Documented Deceptions of No on 37 Campaign?, California Right to 
Know Campaign, November 2, 2012

http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/728?t=21&akid=686.143688.hQZwl- 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/728?t=20&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

4. "Rigged Elections", Op-Ed News, Michael Collins, October 22, 2012

http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/731?t=23&akid=686.143688.hQZwl- 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/731?t=22&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

5. ?How to Rig an Election?, Victoria Collier, Harper?s Magazine, 
November 5, 2012

http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/729?t=25&akid=686.143688.hQZwl- 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/729?t=24&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->

6. ?None Dare Call it Stolen?, Mark Crispin Miller, Harper?s Magazine, 
August 2005

http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/730?t=27&akid=686.143688.hQZwl- 
<http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/730?t=26&akid=686.143688.hQZwl->


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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 16:14:46 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 16:14:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: BREAKING: Election fraud in Prop 37? - your
	help can make a difference
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Get someone with some money to fund a Freedom Of Information Act Request (printing for this costs $$). Ask the Sec of State to provide complete records of what the % yes and % no votes were during the vote count, on election night and the days following. Document that the votes that were counted later in the night and in the days following election day showed more than 0.3% change in yes/no % in the overall vote totals per million additional votes counted (at the point where about 10 million votes have been counted, or a bigger change where less than 10 million votes were counted). This will show that prop 37 had more than 50% yes votes in those sub-samples, when the no % was about 53%. On that basis, probable cause will have been established to?ask for?a complete recount of all the Prop 37 votes.? Good luck.
?
Rinse and repeat for Prop 34 too. A similar anomaly likely exists in the Prop 30 vote count, but no one is complaining as that measure won.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking

--- On Fri, 12/7/12, Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com> wrote:


From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: BREAKING: Election fraud in Prop 37? - your help can make a difference
To: "GPSCC" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Friday, December 7, 2012, 11:58 AM







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Subject: 
BREAKING: Election fraud in Prop 37?

Date: 
Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:29:44 +0000

From: 
Dave, Food Democracy Action! <info at fooddemocracynow.org>

Reply-To: 
Dave, Food Democracy Action! <info at fooddemocracynow.org>

To: 
Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>



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Stand up for open and transparent elections!


Join us in standing up for open and transparent elections - join us in reporting "statistical anomalies" and 6 million votes for Prop 37 ! 

Dear Spencer,
While reports of election fraud have circulated on the Internet, at Food Democracy Now! we have been closely monitoring the results as they?ve come in and had not heard any credible reports of possible voting irregularities - until now.
Yesterday, we received some disturbing news from a voter integrity monitor, claiming that possible ?statistical anomalies? had been detected in 9 counties in California.
According to Francois Choquette, a statistician closely monitoring incoming election results in California, there were significant ?irregularities? in the vote totals for prop 37 to label genetically engineered foods that could not be explained by random coincidence.
Right now a team of independent statisticians are analyzing raw voter data or ?preliminary data from 17 of California's 58 counties?. Potential anomalies have been detected in a number of the largest precincts in Orange, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Alameda and San Diego counties, among others.??
And while Food Democracy Now! can?t say if election fraud has taken place, we want Prop 37 supporters to be aware of the fact that the results from the election are not over and we're asking you to be vigilant in standing with us as we call for further inquiry into these questionable patterns.
Join us in standing up for open and transparent elections and to ask California Secretary of State Debra Bowen to make sure that the election results from Prop 37 are properly counted.
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=6&akid=686.143688.hQZwl-
The next 24 hours are critical. Right now county election officials in the state of California are required to report their final results to the Secretary of State?s office by (today) Friday December 7th. According to state law, Secretary of State Debra Bowen has until December 14th to certify the results of the election.
And this is where we have some concern.
On election night the California Secretary of State?s office called the election for the No side, declaring that Yes on 37 to label genetically engineered foods had failed to pass by a margin of 46.9% to 53.1%, with some 4.3 million Californians having been reported voting Yes on 37 by the next morning. Since then the ballot proposition to label genetically engineered foods has slowly and steadily advanced both its vote total and percentage of the total vote.
California SOS Website Reports 6 Million Votes for Prop 37, Then Votes Disappear
As of Monday, December 3rd?at 4:58 pm, the California Secretary of State?s office reported that Prop 37 had garnered 48.5% votes to the No side?s 51.5%, with 5,986,652 voting to Label GMOs and 6,365,236 Californians voting against.
The following morning, ccording to the California Secretary of State?s website the Yes on 37 campaign had received 6,004,628 votes and edged down to 48.4% of the vote total. The timestamp on the California Secretary of State?s website showed December 4, 2012, 6:04 a.m.
Six million votes is an important milestone for the election and the growing movement of millions of Americans that support labeling of genetically engineered foods across the country that were inspired by Prop 37.
I immediately shared the news via Twitter @food_democracy at 8:40 am PST.
Less than an hour later, the site was no longer showing the 6 million vote total. After capturing a screenshot, I Tweeted the image and then contacted the Secretary State?s office.
When asked about the discrepancy, the Secretary of State?s office claimed their office would no longer being updating the vote total until after December 14th, when the election is required by law to be certified.
When asked why, the Secretary of States? office claimed that making updates to the official site were ?no longer cost effective?.
After several calls to the Secretary of State?s office, their staff refused to give the number of remaining uncounted ballots and only stated that the latest vote totals were posted on the website and this information would not be updated until December 14th. This seems odd, since the Secretary of State's website had updated the vote count every day until December 4th, when the Yes side briefly appeared above 6 million votes.
Join us in standing up for open and transparent elections and to ask California Secretary of State Debra Bowen to make sure that the election results from Prop 37 are properly counted.
Please share the screenshot below showing more than 6 million votes for Prop 37 to label GMOs, this may be our only hope to make sure that open and transparent election results are reported in California.
Click on the link below to share the image of the disappearing 6 million vote total for Yes on 37 on Twitter.
 Post on Twitter
Click on the link below? to share the image of the disappearing 6 million vote total for Yes on 37 on Facebook.
 Post on Facebook
Now spread the word and share this with your friends to stand up for transparent elections and your Right to Know!
 
 Tweet This Share on Facebook 

No on 37 Fraudulent Behavior During Campaign


Right now we are uncertain if election fraud has taken place, but we find the reports and these developments with the California?s Secretary of State?s website and their office?s responses troubling. Currently, less than 400,000 votes separate the Yes on 37 campaign from the No side. The voters of California deserve the truth.
The No on 37 campaign ran one of the dirtiest elections in modern history with a constant stream of lies and fraudulent activity. As if spending more than $46 million on an endless stream of TV and radio ads wasn?t enough, the No on 37 campaign sent more than a half dozen fraudulent mailers from Democratic and environmentalist front groups, made demonstrably false statements in the official California Voter Guide as well as the fraudulent misuse of the official seal of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.?
While none of these specific incidents can be used to bring the opposition to court or overturn the election, the current vote total irregularities taking place in California are concerning.
Right now, 48 hours before the final results vote counts from county election officials are to be handed over to the Secretary of State?s office, we need a strong showing of support for transparency and democracy.
Stand up for open and transparent elections, ask California Secretary of State Debra Bowen to make sure election results from Prop 37 are properly counted.
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/721?t=14&akid=686.143688.hQZwl-
Please stand with us and share this news far and wide.
Together we have already shown that we can stand up to the most powerful corporations on the planet, it?s time to make sure our democracy is as safe as our food supply.
Thanks for participating in food democracy,
Dave, Lisa and the Food Democracy Now! Team
Background:
1. "Proposition 37: Genetically Engineered Foods Labeling", California Secretary of State, December 3, 2012, 4:58 p.m.
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/725?t=16&akid=686.143688.hQZwl-
2. ?Election fraud in California Prop 37? vote count hits 6 million, then CA Secretary of States site loses 18,000 votes? pic.twitter.com/hlk4VM7i? @food_democracy, ?December 4, 2012
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/727?t=19&akid=686.143688.hQZwl-
3. ?Documented Deceptions of No on 37 Campaign?, California Right to Know Campaign, November 2, 2012
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/728?t=21&akid=686.143688.hQZwl-
4. "Rigged Elections", Op-Ed News, Michael Collins, October 22, 2012
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/731?t=23&akid=686.143688.hQZwl-
5. ?How to Rig an Election?, Victoria Collier, Harper?s Magazine, November 5, 2012
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/729?t=25&akid=686.143688.hQZwl-
6. ?None Dare Call it Stolen?, Mark Crispin Miller, Harper?s Magazine, August 2005
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/go/730?t=27&akid=686.143688.hQZwl- 

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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec  9 11:42:55 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:42:55 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State
 Legislative Demands 2012
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Hello, All:


       What's the status of the Green Party Standing General Assembly?  
Am I correct that the idea was NOT approved by any authoritative body 
authorized to give it any power?


       I ask, because Mike Feinstein has declared it to be in session 
and asked it to discuss a "set of policy demands of the legislature", to 
be discussed and perhaps approved by the California Greens Coordinating 
Committee at its January 7 meeting.  "The approach is to agree upon five 
general issue areas, where the Green Party of California would make a 
specific, immediate demand of the legislature, as well express a longer 
term GPCA goal and vision. The GPCA would then do publicity and seek to 
organize in coalition around these issues."  Someone suggested that five 
was too many.  I agree.  Moreover, I think it's unwise of us to issue 
"demands";  a 3-year old can "demand" a right to use someone else's 
crayons, but a wise caregiver would take appropriate action to prevent 
such a "demand" from escalating into a confrontation.  However, I think 
we could be more effective if we decide to restrict our focus without 
denying any of our Ten Key Values.


       Below please find my comments on this:  I suggest we focus on 
"the corrupting impact of our current campaign finance system".  I also 
suggest we restructure our monthly meetings so the first hour consists 
of a presentation and discussion with leaders of other groups focusing 
on finding common ground on this issue.  To accomplish this, I suggest 
we restrict the business of our current meetings to 1 hour.  Any topic 
that runs over time gets referred to a committee or to the County 
Council.  If we do this, I think we can position ourselves among the 
leaders in this campaign reform movement and attract more people to our 
meetings and to the party more generally.


       Comments?
       Best Wishes,
       Spencer


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Legislative 
Demands 2012
Date: 	Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:16:40 -0800
From: 	Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: 	Victoria Ashley <victronix01 at yahoo.com>
CC: 	gpca-votes at cagreens.org



       I think the Green Party would do well to focus primarily on 
supporting the growing movement concerned about the corrupting impact of 
our current campaign finance system.  This movement includes the following:


             (1) Full disclosure of the sources of campaign funds (e.g., 
caclean.org, couragecampaign.org, opensecrets.org, followthemoney.org).


             (2) Public funding of political campaigns (e.g., Lawrence 
Lessig's books on "Republic, Lost" and "One Way Forward", both of which 
are discussed in Wikipedia articles by those titles, plus 
rootstrikers.org, anticorruptionact.org). These typically include 
"democracy vouchers" for $100 which every citizen would get each year or 
every 2 years, which each citizen could donate only to one or more 
political candidates or initiatives.  This amount would generally 
increase so it would always be the dominant source of funds in any 
election cycle.


             (3) Overturning Citizens United (e.g., Move To Amend, 
Public Citizen).


       A 28th Amendment Conference was held Nov. 17, 2012 at the UCLA 
Law School sponsored by the "Money Out / Voters In" coalition of 15 
different organizations supporting legislation including a 
constitutional amendment to provide either public funding of campaigns 
or overturning at least part of Citizens United 
(http://interoccupy.net/blog/money-out-voters-in, moneyoutvotersin.org).


       Lessig has worked with both the Tea Party and the Occupy 
Movement.  He notes that both groups share two things:  (a) Opposition 
to "crony capitalism".  (b) Elements who label as treasonous anyone who 
talks with the other.  His response was to found Rootstrikers to provide 
a forum where Right and Left can meet, seek common ground, set aside 
their differences, and work together to push serious reform in this area.


       I would add media reform (e.g., freepress.net) to this list, 
because even if we get public funding of political campaigns, the public 
will still be ill informed without substantive investigative journalism, 
especially focused on crony capitalism.


       I'm proposing to the Santa Clara Green party that we devote, 
e.g., the first half of our monthly meetings to a presentation and a 
discussion with outside guests from MoveOn, the Libertarians, the Tea 
Party, and many other groups, focused especially on finding common 
ground for action.  If we do this, I believe we will attract more people 
to our monthly meetings and to the party itself -- AND we can become 
instrumental in pushing these issues.


       Best Wishes,
       Spencer Graves


On 12/9/2012 9:16 AM, Victoria Ashley wrote:
> I think it makes more sense to focus on one issue and then five topics 
> within that issue.
>
> Advocating issues which either passed or failed in the Nov election 
> doesn't seem as constructive (i.e., GMO or renewable energy jobs) as 
> creating a message that resonates in a novel way.  Single payer seems 
> impossible for the Democratic legislature to even consider, at this 
> point, with Obamacare imminent.  A more restricted set of choices may 
> also be easier to build a coalition or get more endorsements.
>
> Voters passed Prop 14 already and apparently could care less about the 
> ability to write-in a vote.  I think electoral reform is a whole issue 
> that needs its own focus, separate from this,*or*, make this only and 
> all about electoral reform issues (there are also many dire issues 
> they could deal with now).
>
> My first choice is that I would keep the whole effort within the issue 
> of finances, which is a top priority for much else to happen in the 
> state, and which has many many problems, and then make 5 specific 
> proposals within that, with detailed explanations, such as:
>
> *Fix California's Proposition 13*
> xxxxxxxxx
> *
> Create a State Bank of California*
> *xxxxxxxxx*
> *
> Raise the California Minimum Wage*
> xxxxxxxxx
>
> *Tax California's Oil and Capital Gains Transactions*
> *xxxxxxxxx*
> *
> *
> *One more . . .*
> *xxxxxxxxx*
> *
> *
> For many more issues the Green Party calls on the California 
> Legislature to take action on, please see: 
> http://files.cagreens.org/vote/propdetail?pid=12
>
> -- Victoria
>
> --- On *Sun, 12/9/12, Denise Munro Robb /<denise at panix.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Denise Munro Robb <denise at panix.com>
>     Subject: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Legislative
>     Demands 2012
>     To: "Mike Feinstein" <mfeinstein at feinstein.org>
>     Cc: "GPCA-votes SGA Voting" <gpca-votes at cagreens.org>
>     Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012, 8:27 AM
>
>     Those are fine too. I love all of them. I'm just saying if we
>     chose a few to focus on we might be more successful.
>
>     Denise Munro Robb, Ph.D.
>     Assistant Professor, Pierce College; UC Irvine Social Science
>     Research Network Junior Fellow and Joshua's Mommy
>
>     On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:09 AM, Mike Feinstein
>     <mfeinstein at feinstein.org
>     </mc/compose?to=mfeinstein at feinstein.org>> wrote:
>
>     > Starting the Green Party in 1990 and qualifying the GPCA for the
>     ballot by getting over 100,000 people registered Green when there
>     wasn't even 'Green Party' on the voter registration form, and
>     there was originally just a small number of us, was a fantasy that
>     became a reality :)
>     >
>     > Regarding the split roll, all I'm hearing is that the split roll
>     will not happen this year, but that its possible for 2016 by
>     initiative, and for this year, the legislature is more likely to
>     put the 55% on the ballot for schools, cities, counties and
>     transportation.  The idea is that the 55% is easier than the split
>     roll, because the split roll will organize business across the
>     state against it, and the 55% is low handing fruit by comparison.
>     >
>     > Mike Feinstein
>     > LA County
>     >
>     > On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:48 AM, Denise Munro Robb wrote:
>     >
>     >> Wow. It's quite a fantasy. Might it not be more prudent to pick
>     one or two to start with and really push it - like the split roll
>     re prop 13?
>     >>
>     >> And ending top two?
>     >>
>     >> "Also the Coordinating Committee Recommending" should be
>     >> "Recommends"
>     >>
>     >> Denise Munro Robb, Ph.D.
>     >> Assistant Professor, Pierce College; UC Irvine Social Science
>     Research Network Junior Fellow and Joshua's Mommy
>     >>
>     >> On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:01 AM, voting at cagreens.org
>     </mc/compose?to=voting at cagreens.org> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> Discussion has begun for the following proposal:
>     >>>
>     >>> Proposal ID: 12
>     >>> Proposal: GPCA State Legislative Demands 2012
>     >>> Floor Manager: Mike Feinstein, mfeinstein at feinstein.org
>     </mc/compose?to=mfeinstein at feinstein.org>
>     >>> Discussion Dates: 12/09/2012 - 01/09/2013
>     >>> Voting Dates: 01/10/2013 - 01/18/2013
>     >>>
>     >>> Voting ends at Midnight Pacific Time
>     >>>
>     >>> Background: After the November 2012 elections, for the first
>     time since 1933, a
>     >>> single party (the Democrats) has at least 2/3 of the members
>     of both
>     >>> houses of the California state legislature, meaning it has the
>     ability
>     >>> to pass legislation and perform other functions that require a 2/3
>     >>> super-majority (see list of such functions below in 'references'.)
>     >>>
>     >>> At its November 12th teleconference, the Coordinating Committee
>     >>> discussed a process to establish a GPCA set of policy demands
>     of the
>     >>> legislature in response.  The following proposal is
>     co-sponsored by the
>     >>> Coordinating Committee and the Green Issues Working Group. The
>     >>> Coordinating Committee has appointed an ad-hoc drafting
>     committee to
>     >>> receive input from the SGA and revise the draft statement in
>     response;
>     >>> and then the Coordinating Committee will review the latest
>     update at
>     >>> its January 7th meeting.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> The approach is to agree upon five general issue areas, where
>     the Green
>     >>> Party of California would make a specific, immediate demand of the
>     >>> legislature, as well express a longer term GPCA goal and
>     vision. The
>     >>> GPCA would then do publicity and seek to organize in coalition
>     around
>     >>> these issues.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Proposal: Green Party Policy Demands to the Legislature/Green
>     Party Legislative
>     >>> Demands
>     >>>
>     >>> The Democrats now have a super majority of 2/3 in both houses
>     of the
>     >>> California state legislature. As a result, the legislature is in a
>     >>> position to pass many progressive reforms which require a 2/3
>     super
>     >>> majority, without fear of blockage by the Republicans. The
>     Green Party
>     >>> believes this historic opportunity should be seized to address
>     many key
>     >>> issues, especially the following:
>     >>>
>     >>> 1. Electoral reform
>     >>>
>     >>> . Place an initiative on the ballot to overturn Proposition
>     14, The Top
>     >>> Two Elections System.
>     >>> . Restore by legislation, the right of Californians to cast
>     write-in
>     >>> votes in the general election -- and have them counted.
>     >>>
>     >>> After these immediate actions are taken, the Green Party
>     believes that
>     >>> California should move to change its electoral system to one of
>     >>> multi-seat districts with proportional representation for the
>     state
>     >>> legislature;  ranked-choice voting for single-seat, statewide
>     >>> constitutional office;    with public financing of all ballot
>     qualified
>     >>> candidates, including free media time.
>     >>>
>     >>> 2.  Taxation
>     >>>
>     >>> The passage of Proposition 30 was only a temporary, short term and
>     >>> insufficient approach to California's finances.  The state's
>     structural
>     >>> budget deficit remains.
>     >>>
>     >>> . Support immediate efforts to lower the threshold to approve
>     new taxes
>     >>> from 2/3 to 55%
>     >>> . Address the state's structural budget deficit and issues of
>     fairness
>     >>> and equity in taxation through progressive reforms to the tax
>     system.
>     >>>
>     >>> This policy demand has not yet been focused on a long term
>     reform of a
>     >>> specific tax or taxes. SGA members are asked to comment on how
>     best to
>     >>> approach this.
>     >>>
>     >>> Text to draw from, from GPCA statement on Prop 30
>     >>> (http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/30): Greens
>     believe in
>     >>> comprehensive tax reform including a progressive income tax;
>     natural
>     >>> resources extraction taxes such as an oil severance tax; pollution
>     >>> taxes like a carbon tax; closing corporates loopholes and
>     eliminating
>     >>> corporate welfare; addressing the problem in Prop 13 that
>     commercial
>     >>> land is not being taxed via enacting a split roll, and more
>     >>> comprehensively enacting a land value tax where the
>     socially-created
>     >>> value of land is retained by society; and legalizing, taxing and
>     >>> regulating marijuana - all while cutting income taxes for the
>     average
>     >>> worker and payroll taxes for small businesses, so that we
>     reward work
>     >>> and a healthy environment, penalize pollution and waste, and
>     keep the
>     >>> unearned profit out of speculation and monopolies.
>     >>>
>     >>> Also the Coordinating Committee recommending considering how the
>     >>> establishment of a California State Bank could be included here.
>     >>>
>     >>> 3. Health Care
>     >>>
>     >>> . Enact by statute, a system of Universal, Single Payer Health
>     Care for
>     >>> California.
>     >>>
>     >>> Democrats in the state legislature passed a "single
>     payer-healthcare"
>     >>> bill on three occasions. The bills were vetoed twice by
>     Governor Arnold
>     >>> Schwarzenegger. The Democrats pulled it the third time because
>     Governor
>     >>> Schwarzenegger said he would veto it again. It was
>     reintroduced in 2011
>     >>> when Governor Jerry Brown took office. The democrats failed to get
>     >>> enough votes to pass it. With a super majority, the Democrats
>     have even
>     >>> less of an excuse to not pass this.
>     >>>
>     >>> The Green Party of California firmly supports single payer
>     health care.
>     >>> A Green legislature would establish a Single Payer Universal
>     Health
>     >>> Care system.
>     >>>
>     >>> 4. Living Wage
>     >>>
>     >>> . Support immediate efforts to raise the minimum wage
>     >>> . Move swiftly to enact a living wage for California
>     >>>
>     >>> The Green Party of California believes every person who wants
>     to work
>     >>> is entitled to a job that pays a liveable wage. With reduced
>     wages,
>     >>> reduced social services, and a widening gap between rich and
>     poor, it
>     >>> is becoming increasingly difficult for workers to provide for
>     >>> themselves and their families. The minimum wage is not enough to
>     >>> sustain people.
>     >>>
>     >>> 5. Energy/Climate Change/Green Jobs
>     >>>
>     >>> . Immediate closure and decommissioning of the state's nuclear
>     power
>     >>> plants at Diablo Canyon and San Onofre.
>     >>> (http://www.cagreens.org/ga/resolutions/close-california-nukes)
>     >>> . Replace the energy through increased conservation,
>     efficiency and
>     >>> renewable sources, including by enacting a feed-in tariff and
>     promoting
>     >>> distributed generation and community/public ownership.
>     >>>
>     >>> The Earth is facing an environmental crisis. In the last
>     decade, the
>     >>> Earth has experienced some of the highest average temperatures
>     ever.
>     >>> The United States is responsible for emitting approximately
>     25% of all
>     >>> greenhouse gases worldwide. Something must change if we want
>     to ensure
>     >>> future generations have a liveable planet.
>     >>>
>     >>> The Green Party of California supports using subsidies,
>     incentives and
>     >>> regulations to encourage the development of renewable
>     energies. One
>     >>> example is feed-in tariffs. Feed-in tariffs has been pioneered by
>     >>> Greens in Germany. It requires utilities that sell energy to
>     pay three
>     >>> to four times more per kilowatt-hour to energy producers using
>     >>> sustainable energy.  This creates a market for renewable
>     energy and
>     >>> leads to more investment.
>     >>>
>     >>> The Green Party of California supports incentives that
>     cultivate the
>     >>> development of renewable energies. A Green legislature would
>     create
>     >>> incentives, such as feed-in tariffs, to increase renewable
>     energy in
>     >>> California.
>     >>>
>     >>> * Additional issues
>     >>>
>     >>> . Support GMO labelling
>     >>>
>     >>> Resources:
>     >>>
>     >>> References: Places where California state law requires a 2/3
>     vote of the state
>     >>> legislature.
>     >>>
>     >>> . Initiatives
>     >>>
>     >>> The California state legislature may place measures on the
>     ballot for a
>     >>> public vote, either as legislatively-referred constitutional
>     amendments
>     >>> (ACA or SCA) or legislatively-referred state statutes. Referred
>     >>> constitutional amendments require a 2/3 vote of each house of
>     the state
>     >>> legislature for passage, then may be submitted to the voters
>     in the
>     >>> next election.
>     >>>
>     >>> . Taxes
>     >>>
>     >>> Article 13 Section 3 of the California State Constitution
>     requires a
>     >>> 2/3 vote by both houses of the state legislature for passage
>     of any tax
>     >>> increases.
>     >>>
>     >>> . Override
>     >>>
>     >>> An effort to reverse or 'override' a Governor's veto of a bill
>     approved
>     >>> by the state legislature requires a vote of two-thirds of the
>     members
>     >>> of each house of the state legislature. The Governor can also
>     exercise
>     >>> a line-item veto, where the amount of an appropriation is
>     reduced or
>     >>> eliminated, while the rest of the bill is approved. A
>     line-item veto
>     >>> may also be overridden by a two-thirds vote in each house.
>     >>>
>     >>> . Urgency Measure
>     >>>
>     >>> A bill affecting the public peace, health, or safety, which takes
>     >>> effect upon the Governor's signature. Such a bill requires a
>     2/3 vote
>     >>> of each house of the state legislature for passage.
>     >>>
>     >>> . Urgency Clause
>     >>>
>     >>> A bill which contains an urgency clause takes effect upon the
>     >>> Governor's signature. A vote on the urgency clause must
>     precede a vote
>     >>> on the bill and requires a 2/3 vote of each house of the state
>     >>> legislature for passage.
>     >>>
>     >>> . Rule Waiver
>     >>>
>     >>> A request to exempt a bill from the application of either a
>     standing
>     >>> rule of either house of the state legislature or a joint rule
>     of the
>     >>> entire legislature. In most cases a rule is waived so a bill
>     can be
>     >>> heard after a particular deadline. A rule waiver must be
>     approved by
>     >>> the Rules Committee, and then by a 2/3 vote of the house
>     involved, or
>     >>> both in the case of a Joint Rule.
>     >>>
>     >>> . Amend Political Reform Act of 1974
>     >>>
>     >>> Proposition 9 created the Fair Political Practices Commission
>     (FPPC) to
>     >>> enforce political campaign, lobbying, and conflict of interest
>     laws in
>     >>> the state of California. Any bills that amend this Act have a
>     >>> two-thirds vote requirement for passage, and are subject to a
>     12-day
>     >>> waiting period before final passage of each house.
>     >>>
>     >>> . Call for a Constitutional Convention
>     >>>
>     >>> According to Section 2 of Article XVIII of the California
>     Constitution,
>     >>> if two-thirds of the members of each house of the state
>     legislature
>     >>> agree, a question as to whether to call a convention or revise the
>     >>> constitution goes on the state's next general election ballot.
>     >>>
>     >>> ----------------------
>     >>>
>     >>> Note that in the case of California, 2/3 means 2/3 of all
>     members in
>     >>> the legislature, not 2/3 of those voting. This means at least
>     54 in the
>     >>> affirmative in the Assembly and 27 in the Senate, regardless
>     of how
>     >>> many others are voting.
>     >>>
>     >>> ----------------------
>     >>>
>     >>> This list is based upon information from the websites of the
>     California
>     >>> State Assembly and State Senate and other sources, and is being
>     >>> confirmed with the California Legislative Analyst.
>     >>>
>     >>> Full details are available at:
>     >>>
>     >>> http://files.cagreens.org/vote/propdetail?pid=12
>     >>>
>     >>> Please send your comments to gpca-votes at cagreens.org
>     </mc/compose?to=gpca-votes at cagreens.org>.
>     >>>
>     >>> Thank you and have a wonderful day!
>     >>> --The GPCA SGA Voting System Admin
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> gpca-votes mailing list
>     >> gpca-votes at cagreens.org </mc/compose?to=gpca-votes at cagreens.org>
>     >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-votes
>     > __
>

-- 
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Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
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Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 20:12:40 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Announcing: Green Campaign Schools
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 10 12:29:50 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:29:50 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] next election cycle
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from the free and equal organisation


  We're Getting Ready For the Next Election Cycle - Now!

*are we up to the task?*


From tnharter at aceweb.com  Tue Dec 11 16:25:02 2012
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:25:02 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] venue secured for Dec. 27th party at Tian's!
Message-ID: <50C7CEDE.3060308@aceweb.com>

Save the date. Complete invitation coming out soon.

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: added pictures from Peninsula Bike Party's Ellen F. Ride.
The Kiwi Green pin I got in Baltimore is now on a Puerto Rico quarter.



From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 13 13:53:15 2012
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:53:15 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Netroots Nation in San Jose in June
Message-ID: <BAY002-W78307E04658AB2C354628E9E4E0@phx.gbl>

San Jose Convention Center
June 20-23

http://www.netrootsnation.org/

Special holiday discount Activist rate of $245 is offered until midnight tonight.

Register here:
https://www.cvent.com/events/netroots-nation-13/registration-c9ade7d985ce483c875d84402793dc16.aspx



 		 	   		  
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From vdf at juno.com  Fri Dec 14 00:56:07 2012
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:56:07 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State
	Leg	islative Demands 2012
Message-ID: <20121214.005607.6590.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

Hi folks,

On December 9 Spencer wrote, "...  I also suggest we restructure our monthly meetings so the first hour consists of a presentation and discussion with leaders of other groups focusing on finding common ground on this issue.  To accomplish this, I suggest we restrict the business of our current meetings to 1 hour.  Any topic that runs over time gets referred to a committee or to the County Council. ..."

I am not in favor of this.  Personally, I already find the late starting time of our meetings to be a bit of a deterrent.  I think that a business meeting should get to the business promptly and try to conduct it efficiently while those in attendance are still alert -- not make them wait until they are tired and anxious to go home.

Because our platform covers a lot of issues, I think we should allow for the possibility of diverse issues being raised and not commit, in advance, to restricting the entire first half of the meeting to just one issue (or even a set of similar issues).  I also don't think that we should hand over a large chunk of our own business meeting to other groups -- it's a Green Party meeting, after all.

I do think that we can find common ground with other groups, and/or work in a more focused fashion on specific issues, but I don't think it's fair to turn the business meeting into the vehicle for that.  The time restriction could easily prevent new business and issues from being brought to the group in a timely fashion.  I would prefer to see committees (or workgroups, such as those used by the Santa Clara County Move to Amend chapter) created to deal with focused issues, projects, types of coalition building, events, etc.  At the business meeting each committee or group could give a *brief* report on what it's doing and let folks know how to get involved and get more detailed information.  That way the business meeting would provide a good overview of everything we're actively working on while still allowing time for folks to bring up new business and feel that their ideas are being given a fair hearing (but they, like anyone presenting something at the meeting, should be respectful of everyone's time and be clear and concise with their proposals so we have time to get through as many items as possible). 

That's my 2 cents.

Was there much discussion of alternative meeting format ideas at the November meeting?

Best wishes,
Valerie


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 14 15:29:55 2012
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:29:55 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Chasing Ice
Message-ID: <50CBB673.9080609@earthlink.net>


If you have already received one or more emails
about this, then I am sorry to bother you.  But
I have been hearing many recommendations for
"Chasing Ice", so I think you should know about
it.  It's time lapse photography showing glaciers
receding, a lot.  So it's partly about climate
change.


The website for info about the movie is at:
http://www.chasingice.com/

You can see where it is playing at:
http://www.chasingice.com/see-the-film/showtimes-2/
In this area it is now playing in Berkeley, Palo
Alto, and San Jose.

Plus a video showing the apparent turnaround of a
climate denier:
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzw1dZNWiL8

Gerry


From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 14 17:34:41 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:34:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Chasing Ice
In-Reply-To: <50CBB673.9080609@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1355535281.51359.YahooMailClassic@web122903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

This movie is still showing this week at Camera 3 at 2nd and San Carlos in downtown San Jose.
?
Here is my review of this movie from http://www.peacemovies.com/chasingice.html
?
Review for Chasing Ice PG-13 Documentary 1:14



by? John Thielking
12-12-12

Chasing Ice chronicles the efforts of a small group of researchers to document the shrinkage of glaciers in Iceland, Greenland, Alaska and Montana in a project called the Extreme Ice Survey.? The researchers set up several time-lapse cameras in each location to document the receding glaciers. It is not a trivial matter to come up with a camera design that will withstand the extreme weather conditions and falling rocks, etc. Three stars.

This movie ranks as being nonviolent because it has only 10 violent scenes.? These include: five scenes of weather disasters on TV, there is a story of hunting, there are some more scenes of storm destruction and forest fires, there is a story of a man possibly dieing and there is a story of how a man is doing violence to his knee which constantly needs additional surgery.? There is no smoking in this movie.

There were no previews when this movie was shown at Camera 3 in downtown San Jose, CA, USA.

--- On Fri, 12/14/12, Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:


From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Chasing Ice
To: "GPSCC" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 3:29 PM



If you have already received one or more emails
about this, then I am sorry to bother you.? But
I have been hearing many recommendations for
"Chasing Ice", so I think you should know about
it.? It's time lapse photography showing glaciers
receding, a lot.? So it's partly about climate
change.


The website for info about the movie is at:
http://www.chasingice.com/

You can see where it is playing at:
http://www.chasingice.com/see-the-film/showtimes-2/
In this area it is now playing in Berkeley, Palo
Alto, and San Jose.

Plus a video showing the apparent turnaround of a
climate denier:
? ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzw1dZNWiL8

Gerry
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 15 02:36:40 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:36:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] What Does Gun Violence Have To Do With Movies?
Message-ID: <1355567800.57356.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

What Does Gun Violence Have To Do With Movies?? (Published on Facebook)
by John Thielking

A recent debate that I had with Steven Argue brought up the fact that there are two sides in the debate over weather violence in movies and video games significantly increases violence in the real world. Jonathan L. Freedman wrote a report published by The Media Institute (a movie producer funded outfit) located here:
http://www.mediainstitute.org/PDFs/policyviews/Freedman-TelevisionViolence.pdf that tries it's best to debunk the notion that violence in movies is significantly associated with violence in the real world. He claims that as little as 28% of the published studies on the issue show a positive correlation.? However, while he is good at criticizing the other side for doing sloppy science (such as not being able to eliminate experimenter demand effects and achieve a perfectly double blind experiment that uses violent and nonviolent movies), he himself neglects to do a formal meta-analysis of the entire set of studies that he is reviewing. If there are 28 studies with 100 subjects that show a positive correlation while there are 72 studies with 10 subjects that do not, then it is quite obvious that the balance of the evidence shows a positive correlation.
?
?
On the other side is Craig A. Anderson PhD of Center For Study Of Violence of Iowa State University, who has his own vested interest in that his career depends upon him continuing to find problems with violence in movies re: violence in society.? In his latest work
(written by a panel of experts from the organization that he heads), available here:
http://www.israsociety.com/pdfs/Media%20Violence%20Commission%20final%20report.pdf
it is claimed that no less than 3 formal meta-analyses of the possible correlation between violence in media and violence in the real world show a positive correlation.? In that same paper the panel writes that while there is a positive correlation between media violence and increased indicators of violence in experimental trials, this does not translate into as strong a correlation between media violence and criminal activity. That is a different level of violence not addressed by most of the studies.
?
?
The bottom line for me is this: My on the street survey of what kind of movies people want to watch showed that 1/2 of the people want to watch a nonviolent movie, 1/2 the people don't care one way or the other, and only 2 or 3 people out of 35 want to watch a violent movie or seek out violent themes such as horror movies as their favorite. In light of the latest school shooting in Connecticut, it seems to me that one route to diminishing gun violence is to make sure that the box office receipts match the survey results.? If that ever happened, all the politicians would start running scared every time someone wanted to start a war or if there was any kind of gun violence anywhere in the USA.? Every trick in the book would be thrown at the problem until it was solved. Not all of the problem has to do with gun control. Some of it has to do with income inequality and general economic insecurity.? We should be solving those problems too. But we need
 something to signal that we have a mandate. If 75% of box office receipts went to movies such as Eat Pray Love and Dolphin Tale, we would have just such a mandate.? Let's get cracking! 
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 15 13:14:16 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:14:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request For Agenda Items For GP GA December Meeting
Message-ID: <1355606056.58672.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?
I guess we have word from Tian that his clubhouse is available for a meeting/potluck on Dec 27th.? I don't know what time or the exact place this is going to be.? I won't be back in town and be able to make it over to Mountain View until at least 4PM on the 27th.? Since I will be out of town from Dec 23rd to Dec 27th, I am requesting that all agenda items be submitted by 12PM on Saturday, Dec 22nd, 2012.? Thank you.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 15 14:10:02 2012
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:10:02 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Senator Barbara Boxer is forming "climate change
 caucus" in the Senate
In-Reply-To: <50CCF35E.4050500@earthlink.net>
References: <50CCF35E.4050500@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <50CCF53A.5060507@earthlink.net>


Below is an email I received on another list about Barbara
Boxer forming a climate change caucus.  Yay!

The bottom of the email refers to a Senate Climate Caucus.
I'm not sure that's how it works.  For example the
Congressional Progressive Caucus has members from both
sides of Congress.  (Bernie Sanders is the only Senate member.)
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=71&sectiontree=2,71

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------

 From The Hill's Energy & Environment blog:
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/272273-sen-boxer-to-form-climate-change-caucus

A bit more context from Nation of Change:
http://www.nationofchange.org/senator-boxer-creates-first-us-climate-change-caucus-1355582707

Sen. Boxer deserves our praise.  We should also encourage Sen. Feinstein
to join it, and our House members either to form a similar one in the
House or join the Senate's Climate Change Caucus.

-- 




From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 15 15:19:02 2012
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:19:02 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Senator Barbara Boxer is forming "climate
 change caucus" in the Senate
In-Reply-To: <50CCF53A.5060507@earthlink.net>
References: <50CCF35E.4050500@earthlink.net> <50CCF53A.5060507@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <50CD0566.9040809@earthlink.net>


FYI,

Since I sent this email, I received another email which
included this link:
 
http://grist.org/news/sen-boxer-to-form-congressional-climate-change-caucus-which-should-do-the-trick/

It points out that there are many (over 200 at least)
congressional caucuses, including a Congressional Climate Caucus.

And then I found this:
https://forms.house.gov/olver/climatechange/members.html
which is about the caucus for the 109th Congress, i.e. old.

So maybe Boxer's announcement is insignificant because
caucuses don't mean much.  Or maybe Boxer's announcement
is significant because of what she says in the articles
below.

Gerry


Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> Below is an email I received on another list about Barbara
> Boxer forming a climate change caucus.  Yay!
>
> The bottom of the email refers to a Senate Climate Caucus.
> I'm not sure that's how it works.  For example the
> Congressional Progressive Caucus has members from both
> sides of Congress.  (Bernie Sanders is the only Senate member.)
> http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=71&sectiontree=2,71
>
> Gerry
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>  From The Hill's Energy & Environment blog:
> http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/272273-sen-boxer-to-form-climate-change-caucus
>
>
> A bit more context from Nation of Change:
> http://www.nationofchange.org/senator-boxer-creates-first-us-climate-change-caucus-1355582707
>
>
> Sen. Boxer deserves our praise.  We should also encourage Sen. Feinstein
> to join it, and our House members either to form a similar one in the
> House or join the Senate's Climate Change Caucus.
>


From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sat Dec 15 16:00:28 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:00:28 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] venue secured for Dec. 27th party at Tian's!
In-Reply-To: <50C7CEDE.3060308@aceweb.com>
References: <50C7CEDE.3060308@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <50CD0F1C.3080605@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Tian:


       What time?


       I want to update the web site AND ask that the info on the Peace 
Center Calendar be changed.


       Thanks,
       sg


On 12/11/2012 4:25 PM, Tian Harter wrote:
> Save the date. Complete invitation coming out soon.
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 16 22:28:20 2012
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:28:20 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Climate Hawk to be Secretary of State?
In-Reply-To: <50CEBA66.4050308@earthlink.net>
References: <50CEBA66.4050308@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <50CEBB84.4020504@earthlink.net>


FYI,

"Obama To Name Climate Hawk John Kerry Secretary Of State"
By Joe Romm on Dec 16, 2012 at 11:26 am

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/12/16/1342191/obama-to-name-climate-hawk-john-kerry-secretary-of-state/

Gerry


From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Mon Dec 17 15:07:08 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:07:08 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] change location for Santa Clara Greens December
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <1355782915.35548.YahooMailRC@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <50CF5978.5090107@effectivedefense.org>
	<BLU162-W553D868B2C040A2A69170B9320@phx.gbl>
	<1355782915.35548.YahooMailRC@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50CFA59C.40904@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Charlotte, et al.:


CHARLOTTE:  The Green Party holiday party should be open to all, just 
like our meetings:  Anyone can come to our meetings.  You have to be 
registered Green to vote but not to attend nor to speak.  Thanks for asking.


TIAN ET AL.:  If the above assertion is inaccurate or potentially 
misleading in any way, please provide a correction.


        Spencer


On 12/17/2012 2:21 PM, Charlotte Casey wrote:
> Spencer, is this party open to the public? Do you want it publicized in the
> weekly email calendar? If so, it would be good to put the information in the
> blurb, such as "all registered Greens are welcome to attend and get involved
> with the county party."
>
> Something that might attract some interest! (otherwise it's the same old
> faces...)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: G. Sharat Lin <sharatlin at hotmail.com>
> To: ccasey at pacbell.net
> Cc: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org; shelby.minister at yahoo.com
> Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 1:16:02 PM
> Subject: FW: change location for Santa Clara Greens December meeting
>
>
> Hi Charlotte,
>
> Can you change this in the calendar?
>
> Sharat
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:42:16 -0800
>> From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org
>> To: shelby.minister at yahoo.com; sharatlin at hotmail.com
>> Subject: change location for Santa Clara Greens December meeting
>>
>> Hi, Shelby & Sharat:
>>
>>
>>         Might someone be able to change the location in the Peace Center
>> Calendar notice for the Santa Clara County December meeting? It is
>> officially changed to the following:
>>
>>
>> Party at Tian's Clubhouse
>> 505 Cypress Point
>> Mountain View, CA
>>
>>
>> start at 7 PM.
>>
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>         Spencer
>> p.s.  There is also a typo in the title in the current Peace Center
>> Calendar entry:  "Meething" should be "Meeting" ;-)  Thanks again.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Spencer Graves, PhD
>> Executive Director
>> effectivedefense.org
>> 751 Emerson Ct.
>> San Jos?, CA 95126
>> ph:  408-655-4567
>> web: www.structuremonitoring.com
>>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PhD
Executive Director
effectivedefense.org
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com


From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 17 16:09:43 2012
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:09:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] change location for Santa Clara Greens December
	meeting
Message-ID: <1355789383.16802.androidMobile@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

i (am on the Council and i ) agree with Spencer. 

Green is Go!

Drew


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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 17 17:11:19 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:11:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] change location for Santa Clara Greens December
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <1355789383.16802.androidMobile@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1355793079.77520.YahooMailClassic@web122903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I agree that the meeting should be open to all.
?
John Thielking

--- On Mon, 12/17/12, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] change location for Santa Clara Greens December meeting
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>, "ccasey at pacbell.net" <ccasey at pacbell.net>, "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Date: Monday, December 17, 2012, 4:09 PM







i (am on the Council and i ) agree with Spencer. 
Green is Go!
Drew



Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android





From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>; 
To: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Charlotte Casey <ccasey at pacbell.net>; 
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] change location for Santa Clara Greens December meeting 
Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 11:07:08 PM 





Hi, Charlotte, et al.:


CHARLOTTE:? The Green Party holiday party should be open to all, just 
like our meetings:? Anyone can come to our meetings.? You have to be 
registered Green to vote but not to attend nor to speak.? Thanks for asking.


TIAN ET AL.:? If the above assertion is inaccurate or potentially 
misleading in any way, please provide a correction.


? ? ? ? Spencer


On 12/17/2012 2:21 PM, Charlotte Casey wrote:
> Spencer, is this party open to the public? Do you want it publicized in the
> weekly email calendar? If so, it would be good to put the information in the
> blurb, such as "all registered Greens are welcome to attend and get involved
> with the county party."
>
> Something that might attract some interest! (otherwise it's the same old
> faces...)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: G. Sharat Lin <sharatlin at hotmail.com>
> To: ccasey at pacbell.net
> Cc: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org; shelby.minister at yahoo.com
> Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 1:16:02 PM
> Subject: FW: change location for Santa Clara Greens December meeting
>
>
> Hi Charlotte,
>
> Can you change this in the calendar?
>
> Sharat
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:42:16 -0800
>> From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org
>> To: shelby.minister at yahoo.com; sharatlin at hotmail.com
>> Subject: change location for Santa Clara Greens December meeting
>>
>> Hi, Shelby & Sharat:
>>
>>
>>? ? ? ? Might someone be able to change the location in the Peace Center
>> Calendar notice for the Santa Clara County December meeting? It is
>> officially changed to the following:
>>
>>
>> Party at Tian's Clubhouse
>> 505 Cypress Point
>> Mountain View, CA
>>
>>
>> start at 7 PM.
>>
>>
>>? ? ? ? Thanks,
>>? ? ? ? Spencer
>> p.s.? There is also a typo in the title in the current Peace Center
>> Calendar entry:? "Meething" should be "Meeting" ;-)? Thanks again.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Spencer Graves, PhD
>> Executive Director
>> effectivedefense.org
>> 751 Emerson Ct.
>> San Jos?, CA 95126
>> ph:? 408-655-4567
>> web: www.structuremonitoring.com
>>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PhD
Executive Director
effectivedefense.org
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:? 408-655-4567
web:? www.structuremonitoring.com


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:? 408-655-4567
web:? www.structuremonitoring.com
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Mon Dec 17 18:55:21 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:55:21 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [occupy-san-jose:5300] Fwd: Reclassify marijuana
 as an unscheduled substance
In-Reply-To: <BAY155-W33251CAE301149CBEF1588E1310@phx.gbl>
References: <F04EC889-7254-4015-965B-960781292FE4@sbcglobal.net>,
	<CALMrxTfmZzokdXOt=NHc8mdg+TrnmWA5O4c7aTxpyfako-DUyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY155-W33251CAE301149CBEF1588E1310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <50CFDB19.40307@prodsyse.com>

Hello, All:


	  Tom Higgins (Occupy San Jos? Legal) initiated a petition on 
whitehouse.gov to "to take marijuana off of the DEA drug schedule";  see 
below.  I was number 23 or 24 signing Tom's petition.  It has a goal of 
25,000 signatures by January 10, 2013.


	  There are, however, other similar marijuana petitions on 
"whitehouse.gov".  I clicked, "Open Petitions" and "Search" for 
"marijuana". This gave me 9.  In decreasing order of the number of 
signatures, these are as follows:


* Remove marijuana from the federal Controlled Substance Act and allow 
the states to decide how they want to regulate it.  71,681 Signatures


*  Support a law protecting states' rights to legalize, regulate and tax 
marijuana like alcohol.  40,598  Signatures


* Federally Legalize Marijuana  35,736  Signatures


* Grant a full pardon to Chris Williams, a man facing 80 years in prison 
for legally growing Medical Marijuana  27,126  Signatures


* Tell VP Biden to end his war on marijuana users and to respect the 
people of Colorado and Washington.  11,705  Signatures


* Treat marijuana like alcohol throughout the US by enacting HR 2306: 
"Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011."  8,244 Signatures


* Relieve Five Elderly Federal Prisoners From Life Without Parole 
Sentences For Marijuana.  5,874  Signatures


* Legalize marijuana for recreational use in the state of Ohio. 2,895 
Signatures


* Grant a full pardon to Jeremy and Gerald Duval for legally growing 
Medical Marijuana  2,532  Signatures


       I signed them all.


       Spencer


On 12/17/2012 6:06 PM, pi hi wrote:
>
> Reposted on OSJ FB/Twitter.
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44:44 -0800
> Subject: [occupy-san-jose:5288] Fwd: Reclassify marijuana as an unscheduled substance
> From: tsubaka360 at gmail.com
> To: occupy-san-jose at googlegroups.com
> CC: hobredo at gmail.com
>
> Just in from Tom~
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Thomas Higgins <vetlaw at sbcglobal.net>
>
> Date: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:43 AM
> Subject: Reclassify marijuana as an unscheduled substance
> To:
>
>
> My petition to take marijuana off of the DEA drug schedule is on the White House petitions website. http://wh.gov/RY04
>
> Please read and sign the petition. And please forward this e-mail to others, so that the requisite number of signatures can be gathered.
> Thank you for allowing me to contact you.
> Sincerely,
> -Tom
>
> Thomas Prindiville Higgins
>
> Attorney at Law
> 702 South Baywood Ave.
> San Jose, CA 95128-3303
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From tnharter at aceweb.com  Tue Dec 18 02:29:19 2012
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 02:29:19 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Festivus Party at Tian's Official invitation page is
	up!
Message-ID: <50D0457F.7040300@aceweb.com>

http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/My/Clubhouse/Festivus2012/PartyAnoucement.shtml

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: added pictures from Peninsula Bike Party's Ellen F. Ride.
The Kiwi Green pin I got in Baltimore is now on a NMI quarter.



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 18 14:45:51 2012
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:45:51 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Social Security Cuts?
Message-ID: <50D0F21F.5030508@earthlink.net>


FYI,

"Wealthiest Kissed, Weakest Kicked: Obama's Ugly 'New Deal' Offers to 
Cut Social Security"

"President gives away the store in fiscal negotiations"

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/12/18

Gerry


From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 18 17:31:28 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:31:28 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] party at tian's
Message-ID: <50D118F0.3090004@sbcglobal.net>

I am sorry but some of our grandchildren will be in our house
several days next week so I do not expect to
party with all of you.


Jim Doyle


From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Tue Dec 18 18:15:09 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:15:09 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] party at tian's
In-Reply-To: <50D118F0.3090004@sbcglobal.net>
References: <50D118F0.3090004@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <50D1232D.9010005@prodsyse.com>

I'm sorry you will be forced to endure such torture ;-)  sg


On 12/18/2012 5:31 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
> I am sorry but some of our grandchildren will be in our house
> several days next week so I do not expect to
> party with all of you.
>
>
> Jim Doyle
> _______________________________________________
> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From perrysandy at aol.com  Tue Dec 18 22:03:53 2012
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:03:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Article and Photos from Our Dec 10 Action at Zoe
 Lofgren's Office Are Up on the DeBug Site
In-Reply-To: <50D0457F.7040300@aceweb.com>
References: <50D0457F.7040300@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <8CFABC5C1811F6B-1F2C-2D218@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com>





Hi Everyone,

This was the protest I mentioned to you at our last meeting.


Sandy



http://www.siliconvalleydebug.org/articles/2012/12/18/staying-fiscal-cliff


 

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From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com  Fri Dec 21 12:34:16 2012
From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:34:16 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: SJPJC-Board Silicon Valley Reads
In-Reply-To: <1356119851.21283.YahooMailRC@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1356119851.21283.YahooMailRC@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50D4C7C8.8080508@structuremonitoring.com>

Hello, All:


AGENDA ITEM FOR DECEMBER 27:  Might the Green Party wish to be listed as 
a "Community Partner" of "Silicon Valley Reads"?


        They want an answer by January 1.  It doesn't look like this 
would commit us to anything other than having our name associated with 
the project;  see below.


        I checked the web link below.  Each year since 2003, they've 
selected one or more books to push.  I read the summaries for some but 
not all of the selections.  All that I saw seemed to promote cross 
cultural understanding from two girls, one black one white, sitting on 
the fence that separates their worlds to letters written home by an 
author's father during World War II, one of which contained a Japanese 
Flag he had taken from soldier killed in combat -- then later regretting 
he had mailed it home.


        I vote "yes".  If we agree Dec. 27, I will notify Charlotte.


        Thanks,
        Spencer


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	SJPJC-Board Silicon Valley Reads
Date: 	Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:57:31 -0800 (PST)
From: 	Charlotte Casey <ccasey at pacbell.net>
Reply-To: 	sjpjcboard at googlegroups.com
To: 	Collins Foundation Board <boardconcerns at lists.riseup.net>, SJPJC 
Board <sjpjcboard at googlegroups.com>, SJPJC Community Partners 
<sanjosepeacecenter at lists.riseup.net>



Silicon Valley Reads is a county-wide program that selects a theme and 
several
books and organizes programs and discussions on this theme. This year 
the theme
is "Invisible Wounds of War" and you can see the books they have chosen 
here:

http://www.siliconvalleyreads.org/2013-14/default.asp

The web site also has a link to their community partners. I've been in touch
with the coordinator and she says that if any of the Peace & Justice Center
member groups would like to be listed as a community partner, we can 
just let
her know by Jan.1.

So please get back to me soon if your group would like to be included.

thanks
Charlotte

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Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com


From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 22 10:11:18 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:11:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda For Dec 27th, 2012  GPSCC GA Meeting/Party
Message-ID: <1356199878.69836.YahooMailClassic@web122903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Final submissions for the agenda are due by 12 noon today.
?
Draft Agenda for December 27, 2012 Green Party of Santa Clara County GA meeting to be held at Tian's clubhouse 7PM-10PM at 505 Cypress Point, Mountain View, CA


7:00-7:30 
So far as I know, we don't have a speaker lined up for this time. 


7:30 
Meeting begins. Identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper, vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next meeting.


7:35 
Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda. Review minutes from November's meeting and approve.


7:50 
There will be no treasurer's report since Jim Doyle won't be here. Hat passing.


7:55
Report back on events that happened since the last meeting. Anti SS cuts protest in front of Lofgren's office, etc.


8:10
Might the Green Party wish to be listed as a "Community Partner" of "Silicon Valley Reads"?? http://www.siliconvalleyreads.org/2013-14/default.asp We need to let the (SJPJC?) know by Jan 1st what our decision is. Hmmmm... The Peace Center will be closed until Jan 2, so how do we do that?


8:20
Meeting ends/Holiday Party begins.
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 22 12:07:12 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:07:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda For Dec 27th,
	2012  GPSCC GA Meeting/Party
In-Reply-To: <1356199878.69836.YahooMailClassic@web122903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1356206832.12141.YahooMailClassic@web122901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

This is now the final agenda.
?
John Thielking

--- On Sat, 12/22/12, John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda For Dec 27th, 2012 GPSCC GA Meeting/Party
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 10:11 AM







Final submissions for the agenda are due by 12 noon today. 
? 
Draft Agenda for December 27, 2012 Green Party of Santa Clara County GA meeting to be held at Tian's clubhouse 7PM-10PM at 505 Cypress Point, Mountain View, CA 


7:00-7:30 
So far as I know, we don't have a speaker lined up for this time. 


7:30 
Meeting begins. Identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper, vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next meeting. 


7:35 
Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda. Review minutes from November's meeting and approve. 


7:50 
There will be no treasurer's report since Jim Doyle won't be here. Hat passing. 


7:55 
Report back on events that happened since the last meeting. Anti SS cuts protest in front of Lofgren's office, etc. 


8:10 
Might the Green Party wish to be listed as a "Community Partner" of "Silicon Valley Reads"?? http://www.siliconvalleyreads.org/2013-14/default.asp We need to let the (SJPJC?) know by Jan 1st what our decision is. Hmmmm... The Peace Center will be closed until Jan 2, so how do we do that? 


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From perrysandy at aol.com  Sat Dec 22 14:27:27 2012
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:27:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State
	Leg	islative Demands 2012
In-Reply-To: <20121214.005607.6590.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
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Hi Everyne,

Unfortunately I will be out of town so I will not be able to attend the meeting/party at Tian's on the 27th.

I don't believe meeting format is on the agenda, but in case it comes, I want to put in my two cents. I don't believe I have ever met Valerie, but I agree with her post completely. I believe in promptness, efficiency, short meetings, and active committees to build around issues.


Sandy Perry






-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie D. Face <vdf at juno.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:58 am
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg	islative Demands 2012


Hi folks,

On December 9 Spencer wrote, "...  I also suggest we restructure our monthly 
meetings so the first hour consists of a presentation and discussion with 
leaders of other groups focusing on finding common ground on this issue.  To 
accomplish this, I suggest we restrict the business of our current meetings to 1 
hour.  Any topic that runs over time gets referred to a committee or to the 
County Council. ..."

I am not in favor of this.  Personally, I already find the late starting time of 
our meetings to be a bit of a deterrent.  I think that a business meeting should 
get to the business promptly and try to conduct it efficiently while those in 
attendance are still alert -- not make them wait until they are tired and 
anxious to go home.

Because our platform covers a lot of issues, I think we should allow for the 
possibility of diverse issues being raised and not commit, in advance, to 
restricting the entire first half of the meeting to just one issue (or even a 
set of similar issues).  I also don't think that we should hand over a large 
chunk of our own business meeting to other groups -- it's a Green Party meeting, 
after all.

I do think that we can find common ground with other groups, and/or work in a 
more focused fashion on specific issues, but I don't think it's fair to turn the 
business meeting into the vehicle for that.  The time restriction could easily 
prevent new business and issues from being brought to the group in a timely 
fashion.  I would prefer to see committees (or workgroups, such as those used by 
the Santa Clara County Move to Amend chapter) created to deal with focused 
issues, projects, types of coalition building, events, etc.  At the business 
meeting each committee or group could give a *brief* report on what it's doing 
and let folks know how to get involved and get more detailed information.  That 
way the business meeting would provide a good overview of everything we're 
actively working on while still allowing time for folks to bring up new business 
and feel that their ideas are being given a fair hearing (but they, like anyone 
presenting something at the meeting, should be r
 espectful of everyone's time and be clear and concise with their proposals so 
we have time to get through as many items as possible). 

That's my 2 cents.

Was there much discussion of alternative meeting format ideas at the November 
meeting?

Best wishes,
Valerie


~*~*~*~
"Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?"
    - from "The Summer Day" by Mary Oliver
      http://www.loc.gov/poetry/180/133.html

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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 22 15:03:35 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 15:03:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State
	Leg islative Demands 2012
In-Reply-To: <8CFAEAAA83A287E-6AC-43C6A@webmail-m157.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1356217415.32081.YahooMailClassic@web122903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

We could discuss this in more detail at the January meeting.? Personally, I think we should be happy that our GA meetings as they are only go on for 2 hours.? Take a look at your average city council meeting for an example of what we really want to avoid. If we could find enough people to form committees of suficient size (a committee of one person is not a committee in my opinion) then I could see breaking the work up into smaller committees such as Move?To Amend does.? But I don't see that happening just yet. It is a bit of a catch 22 I know.?Also, as the committees grow to sufficient size to function on their own, they?will have?more stuff to report and?the GA meeting?might still end up being 2 hours long anyway.?I would continue my earlier suggestion that we make use of our one free event per month allowed at the Peace Center (in addition to our GA meeting) and have a potluck or something of general interest go on at that time. We should
 keep the?GA meetings as they are (ie have both an as usual GA meeting and committees) until we reach a critical mass on committees.?
?
John Thielking

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From: perrysandy at aol.com <perrysandy at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg islative Demands 2012
To: vdf at juno.com, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 2:27 PM



Hi Everyne,
?
Unfortunately I will be out of town so I will not be able to attend the meeting/party at Tian's on the 27th.
?
I don't believe meeting format is on the agenda, but in case it comes, I want to put in my two cents. I don't believe I have ever met Valerie, but I agree with her post completely. I believe in promptness, efficiency, short meetings,?and active committees to build around issues.
?
?
Sandy Perry
?
?
?
?
?

-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie D. Face <vdf at juno.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:58 am
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg islative Demands 2012


Hi folks,

On December 9 Spencer wrote, "...  I also suggest we restructure our monthly 
meetings so the first hour consists of a presentation and discussion with 
leaders of other groups focusing on finding common ground on this issue.  To 
accomplish this, I suggest we restrict the business of our current meetings to 1 
hour.  Any topic that runs over time gets referred to a committee or to the 
County Council. ..."

I am not in favor of this.  Personally, I already find the late starting time of 
our meetings to be a bit of a deterrent.  I think that a business meeting should 
get to the business promptly and try to conduct it efficiently while those in 
attendance are still alert -- not make them wait until they are tired and 
anxious to go home.

Because our platform covers a lot of issues, I think we should allow for the 
possibility of diverse issues being raised and not commit, in advance, to 
restricting the entire first half of the meeting to just one issue (or even a 
set of similar issues).  I also don't think that we should hand over a large 
chunk of our own business meeting to other groups -- it's a Green Party meeting, 
after all.

I do think that we can find common ground with other groups, and/or work in a 
more focused fashion on specific issues, but I don't think it's fair to turn the 
business meeting into the vehicle for that.  The time restriction could easily 
prevent new business and issues from being brought to the group in a timely 
fashion.  I would prefer to see committees (or workgroups, such as those used by 
the Santa Clara County Move to Amend chapter) created to deal with focused 
issues, projects, types of coalition building, events, etc.  At the business 
meeting each committee or group could give a *brief* report on what it's doing 
and let folks know how to get involved and get more detailed information.  That 
way the business meeting would provide a good overview of everything we're 
actively working on while still allowing time for folks to bring up new business 
and feel that their ideas are being given a fair hearing (but they, like anyone 
presenting something at the meeting, should be r
 espectful of everyone's time and be clear and concise with their proposals so 
we have time to get through as many items as possible). 

That's my 2 cents.

Was there much discussion of alternative meeting format ideas at the November 
meeting?

Best wishes,
Valerie


~*~*~*~
"Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?"
    - from "The Summer Day" by Mary Oliver
      http://www.loc.gov/poetry/180/133.html

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From eric at philosopherswheel.com  Sat Dec 22 21:16:12 2012
From: eric at philosopherswheel.com (Eric A. Meece)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 21:16:12 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA
	StateLeg	islative Demands 2012
In-Reply-To: <8CFAEAAA83A287E-6AC-43C6A@webmail-m157.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20121214.005607.6590.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<8CFAEAAA83A287E-6AC-43C6A@webmail-m157.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <93F297BCBD2647B8B12252D14D1CC0D5@eameecePC>

Sounds like a good two cents to me! I don't come these days, but I'll put in two cents too.

Eric the Green
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: perrysandy at aol.com 
  To: vdf at juno.com ; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
  Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 2:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA StateLeg islative Demands 2012


  Hi Everyne,

  Unfortunately I will be out of town so I will not be able to attend the meeting/party at Tian's on the 27th.

  I don't believe meeting format is on the agenda, but in case it comes, I want to put in my two cents. I don't believe I have ever met Valerie, but I agree with her post completely. I believe in promptness, efficiency, short meetings, and active committees to build around issues.


  Sandy Perry





  -----Original Message-----
  From: Valerie D. Face <vdf at juno.com>
  To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
  Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:58 am
  Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg islative Demands 2012


Hi folks,

On December 9 Spencer wrote, "...  I also suggest we restructure our monthly 
meetings so the first hour consists of a presentation and discussion with 
leaders of other groups focusing on finding common ground on this issue.  To 
accomplish this, I suggest we restrict the business of our current meetings to 1 
hour.  Any topic that runs over time gets referred to a committee or to the 
County Council. ..."

I am not in favor of this.  Personally, I already find the late starting time of 
our meetings to be a bit of a deterrent.  I think that a business meeting should 
get to the business promptly and try to conduct it efficiently while those in 
attendance are still alert -- not make them wait until they are tired and 
anxious to go home.

Because our platform covers a lot of issues, I think we should allow for the 
possibility of diverse issues being raised and not commit, in advance, to 
restricting the entire first half of the meeting to just one issue (or even a 
set of similar issues).  I also don't think that we should hand over a large 
chunk of our own business meeting to other groups -- it's a Green Party meeting, 
after all.

I do think that we can find common ground with other groups, and/or work in a 
more focused fashion on specific issues, but I don't think it's fair to turn the 
business meeting into the vehicle for that.  The time restriction could easily 
prevent new business and issues from being brought to the group in a timely 
fashion.  I would prefer to see committees (or workgroups, such as those used by 
the Santa Clara County Move to Amend chapter) created to deal with focused 
issues, projects, types of coalition building, events, etc.  At the business 
meeting each committee or group could give a *brief* report on what it's doing 
and let folks know how to get involved and get more detailed information.  That 
way the business meeting would provide a good overview of everything we're 
actively working on while still allowing time for folks to bring up new business 
and feel that their ideas are being given a fair hearing (but they, like anyone 
presenting something at the meeting, should be r
 espectful of everyone's time and be clear and concise with their proposals so 
we have time to get through as many items as possible). 

That's my 2 cents.

Was there much discussion of alternative meeting format ideas at the November 
meeting?

Best wishes,
Valerie


~*~*~*~
"Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?"
    - from "The Summer Day" by Mary Oliver
      http://www.loc.gov/poetry/180/133.html

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sat Dec 22 22:49:16 2012
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 22:49:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State
	Leg islative Demands 2012
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References: <20121214.005607.6590.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
	<8CFAEAAA83A287E-6AC-43C6A@webmail-m157.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1356245356.88172.YahooMailRC@web181303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Me too!




________________________________
From: "perrysandy at aol.com" <perrysandy at aol.com>
To: vdf at juno.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Sat, December 22, 2012 2:27:36 PM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg 
islative Demands 2012

Hi Everyne,

Unfortunately I will be out of town so I will not be able to attend the 
meeting/party at Tian's on the 27th.

I don't believe meeting format is on the agenda, but in case it comes, I want to 
put in my two cents. I don't believe I have ever met Valerie, but I agree with 
her post completely. I believe in promptness, efficiency, short meetings,?and 
active committees to build around issues.


Sandy Perry





-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie D. Face <vdf at juno.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:58 am
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg 
islative Demands 2012


Hi folks,  On December 9 Spencer wrote, "...  I also suggest we restructure our 
monthly  meetings so the first hour consists of a presentation and discussion 
with  leaders of other groups focusing on finding common ground on this issue.  
To  accomplish this, I suggest we restrict the business of our current meetings 
to 1  hour.  Any topic that runs over time gets referred to a committee or to 
the  County Council. ..."  I am not in favor of this.  Personally, I already 
find the late starting time of  our meetings to be a bit of a deterrent.  I 
think that a business meeting should  get to the business promptly and try to 
conduct it efficiently while those in  attendance are still alert -- not make 
them wait until they are tired and  anxious to go home.  Because our platform 
covers a lot of issues, I think we should allow for the  possibility of diverse 
issues being raised and not commit, in advance, to  restricting the entire first 
half of the meeting to just one issue (or even a  set of similar issues).  I 
also don't think that we should hand over a large  chunk of our own business 
meeting to other groups -- it's a Green Party meeting,  after all.  I do think 
that we can find common ground with other groups, and/or work in a  more focused 
fashion on specific issues, but I don't think it's fair to turn the  business 
meeting into the vehicle for that.  The time restriction could easily  prevent 
new business and issues from being brought to the group in a timely  fashion.  I 
would prefer to see committees (or workgroups, such as those used by  the Santa 
Clara County Move to Amend chapter) created to deal with focused  issues, 
projects, types of coalition building, events, etc.  At the business  meeting 
each committee or group could give a *brief* report on what it's doing  and let 
folks know how to get involved and get more detailed information.  That  way the 
business meeting would provide a good overview of everything we're  actively 
working on while still allowing time for folks to bring up new business  and 
feel that their ideas are being given a fair hearing (but they, like anyone  
presenting something at the meeting, should be r  espectful of everyone's time 
and be clear and concise with their proposals so  we have time to get through as 
many items as possible).   That's my 2 cents.  Was there much discussion of 
alternative meeting format ideas at the November  meeting?  Best wishes, Valerie   
~*~*~*~ "Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious 
life?"     - from "The Summer Day" by Mary Oliver       
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec 23 12:18:16 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 12:18:16 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda For Dec 27th,
	2012  GPSCC GA Meeting/Party
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Message-ID: <50D76708.9020205@prodsyse.com>

With my apologies to all, there is one more item I believe should be on 
this agenda:


       * Do the Santa Clara Greens want to support / endorse a Teach in 
against Citizens United being organized by Move to Amend for January 15, 
noon to 1 PM?


       I think this is more important than "Silicon Valley Reads". I've 
modified John's "final agenda" to cut "Silicon Valley Reads" from 10 to 
5 minutes and give the first 5 minutes to this Citizens United protest, 
so the meeting is still scheduled to end at 8:20.


       I hope this is acceptable.


       I'll try to get more information to distribute to this group 
before then.


       Spencer


On 12/22/2012 12:07 PM, John Thielking wrote:
> This is now the final agenda.
>   
> John Thielking
>
> --- On Sat, 12/22/12, John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda For Dec 27th, 2012 GPSCC GA Meeting/Party
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 10:11 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Final submissions for the agenda are due by 12 noon today.
>    
> Draft Agenda for December 27, 2012 Green Party of Santa Clara County GA meeting to be held at Tian's clubhouse 7PM-10PM at 505 Cypress Point, Mountain View, CA
>
>
> 7:00-7:30
> So far as I know, we don't have a speaker lined up for this time.
>
>
> 7:30
> Meeting begins. Identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper, vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next meeting.
>
>
> 7:35
> Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda. Review minutes from November's meeting and approve.
>
>
> 7:50
> There will be no treasurer's report since Jim Doyle won't be here. Hat passing.
>
>
> 7:55
> Report back on events that happened since the last meeting. Anti SS cuts protest in front of Lofgren's office, etc.


8:10:  Do the Santa Clara Greens want to support / endorse a Teach in 
against Citizens United being organized by Move to Amend for January 15, 
noon to 1 PM?
>
> 8:15
> Might the Green Party wish to be listed as a "Community Partner" of "Silicon Valley Reads"?  http://www.siliconvalleyreads.org/2013-14/default.asp We need to let the (SJPJC?) know by Jan 1st what our decision is. Hmmmm... The Peace Center will be closed until Jan 2, so how do we do that?
>
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> 8:20
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 23 13:57:35 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:57:35 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
Message-ID: <50D77E4F.8010307@sbcglobal.net>

One of the postings discussing committees in the context of
shorter meetings ended with
"...until we reach a critical mass on committees.?"

What is being done to reach that critical mass?

What else can be done?

In which time frame?





From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 23 14:00:46 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:00:46 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker
Message-ID: <50D77F0E.7080809@sbcglobal.net>

I propose we have a welfare recipient be our
January speaker. 

I know one who is willing to speak to us.

If the proposal is approved I will let the person know.




From tnharter at aceweb.com  Sun Dec 23 14:32:24 2012
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:32:24 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
In-Reply-To: <50D77E4F.8010307@sbcglobal.net>
References: <50D77E4F.8010307@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <50D78678.9020800@aceweb.com>

On 12/23/2012 01:57 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
> One of the postings discussing committees in the context of
> shorter meetings ended with
> "...until we reach a critical mass on committees.?"
>
> What is being done to reach that critical mass?

Part of it is having a shared mission and the volunteer energy to make 
it happen.
Volunteers that want to make something happen are key to achieving 
critical mass.
>
> What else can be done?
>
> In which time frame?

Ummm... San Jose Bike Party currently has critical mass. If you show up 
at my party and talk to
them maybe you'll get a better feel for what critical mass looks/feels 
like.

Of course that assumes you don't buzzkill them with a boring meeting 
instead of a holiday
party.... Looking at that agenda that John posted I'm feeling nervous 
about that!

-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
You're invited to my festivus party for anyone around here on the 27th.
See the invitation by clicking the link on the page at the URL above.
The Kiwi Green pin I got in Baltimore is now on a 1991 quarter.



From spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org  Mon Dec 17 15:03:44 2012
From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org (Spencer Graves)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:03:44 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] change location for Santa Clara Greens December
	meeting
In-Reply-To: <1355782915.35548.YahooMailRC@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <50CF5978.5090107@effectivedefense.org>
	<BLU162-W553D868B2C040A2A69170B9320@phx.gbl>
	<1355782915.35548.YahooMailRC@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50CFA4D0.4080903@effectivedefense.org>

Hi, Charlotte, et al.:


CHARLOTTE:  The Green Party holiday party should be open to all, just 
like our meetings:  Anyone can come to our meetings.  You have to be 
registered Green to vote but not to attend nor to speak.  Thanks for 
asking.


TIAN ET AL.:  If the above assertion is inaccurate or potentially 
misleading in any way, please provide a correction.


        Spencer


On 12/17/2012 2:21 PM, Charlotte Casey wrote:
> Spencer, is this party open to the public? Do you want it publicized in the
> weekly email calendar? If so, it would be good to put the information in the
> blurb, such as "all registered Greens are welcome to attend and get involved
> with the county party."
>
> Something that might attract some interest! (otherwise it's the same old
> faces...)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: G. Sharat Lin <sharatlin at hotmail.com>
> To: ccasey at pacbell.net
> Cc: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org; shelby.minister at yahoo.com
> Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 1:16:02 PM
> Subject: FW: change location for Santa Clara Greens December meeting
>
>   
> Hi Charlotte,
>   
> Can you change this in the calendar?
>   
> Sharat
>   
>
>> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:42:16 -0800
>> From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org
>> To: shelby.minister at yahoo.com; sharatlin at hotmail.com
>> Subject: change location for Santa Clara Greens December meeting
>>
>> Hi, Shelby & Sharat:
>>
>>
>>         Might someone be able to change the location in the Peace Center
>> Calendar notice for the Santa Clara County December meeting? It is
>> officially changed to the following:
>>
>>
>> Party at Tian's Clubhouse
>> 505 Cypress Point
>> Mountain View, CA
>>
>>
>> start at 7 PM.
>>
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>         Spencer
>> p.s.  There is also a typo in the title in the current Peace Center
>> Calendar entry:  "Meething" should be "Meeting" ;-)  Thanks again.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Spencer Graves, PhD
>> Executive Director
>> effectivedefense.org
>> 751 Emerson Ct.
>> San Jos?, CA 95126
>> ph:  408-655-4567
>> web: www.structuremonitoring.com
>>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PhD
Executive Director
effectivedefense.org
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org  Fri Dec 21 12:32:48 2012
From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:32:48 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: SJPJC-Board Silicon Valley Reads
In-Reply-To: <1356119851.21283.YahooMailRC@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1356119851.21283.YahooMailRC@web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50D4C770.1010402@effectivedefense.org>

Hello, All:


AGENDA ITEM FOR DECEMBER 27:  Might the Green Party wish to be listed as 
a "Community Partner" of "Silicon Valley Reads"?


       They want an answer by January 1.  It doesn't look like this 
would commit us to anything other than having our name associated with 
the project;  see below.


       I checked the web link below.  Each year since 2003, they've 
selected one or more books to push.  I read the summaries for some but 
not all of the selections.  All that I saw seemed to promote cross 
cultural understanding from two girls, one black one white, sitting on 
the fence that separates their worlds to letters written home by an 
author's father during World War II, one of which contained a Japanese 
Flag he had taken from soldier killed in combat -- then later regretting 
he had mailed it home.


       I vote "yes".  If we agree Dec. 27, I will notify Charlotte.


       Thanks,
       Spencer


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	SJPJC-Board Silicon Valley Reads
Date: 	Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:57:31 -0800 (PST)
From: 	Charlotte Casey <ccasey at pacbell.net>
Reply-To: 	sjpjcboard at googlegroups.com
To: 	Collins Foundation Board <boardconcerns at lists.riseup.net>, SJPJC 
Board <sjpjcboard at googlegroups.com>, SJPJC Community Partners 
<sanjosepeacecenter at lists.riseup.net>



Silicon Valley Reads is a county-wide program that selects a theme and several
books and organizes programs and discussions on this theme. This year the theme
is "Invisible Wounds of War" and you can see the books they have chosen here:

http://www.siliconvalleyreads.org/2013-14/default.asp

The web site also has a link to their community partners. I've been in touch
with the coordinator and she says that if any of the Peace & Justice Center
member groups would like to be listed as a community partner, we can just let
her know by Jan.1.

So please get back to me soon if your group would like to be included.

thanks
Charlotte

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From spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org  Fri Dec 21 13:23:04 2012
From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:23:04 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: PLEASE SIGN ON: Support Letter to Protect Santa
 Clara County's Immigrant Detainer Policy
In-Reply-To: <009f01cddfbe$2f375c70$8da61550$@org>
References: <009f01cddfbe$2f375c70$8da61550$@org>
Message-ID: <50D4D338.2090406@effectivedefense.org>

Hello, All:


ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM FOR DECEMBER 27:   Does the Green Party of Santa 
Clara County wish to endorse the statement below by the Forum for 
Immigrant Rights and Empowerment (FIRE) supporting the current immigrant 
detainer policy and opposing the attempt by Santa Clara County District 
Attorney Jeff Rosen to deport more people with minimal due process of law?


BACKGROUND:  Last year, Santa Clara County effectively said they would 
not comply with the federal "Secure Communities" program. This federal 
program requires local government to detain people without complete 
documentation of citizenship for 48 hours while Immigration and Customs 
Enforcement (ICE) decides if they want to deport the individual.  In Los 
Angeles and Colorado, these 2-day holds have in practice averaged 20 
days or more.  California Attorney General Kamala Harris has ruled that 
any community (such as Santa Clara County) can choose to opt out of this 
federal mandate. FIRE wants an answer by January 8.


       Spencer


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	PLEASE SIGN ON: Support Letter to Protect Santa Clara County's 
Immigrant Detainer Policy
Date: 	Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:00:02 -0800
From: 	Jazmin Segura <jazmin at siren-bayarea.org>
To: 	'Jazmin Segura' <jazmin at siren-bayarea.org>



Apologies for the Cross-Postings. Please distribute widely.

Dear community allies,

We are the Santa Clara County FIRE Coalition, a broad cross-ethnic
collaboration among community groups, faith-based groups, immigrants rights
advocates, immigrants rights service providers, youth organizations, legal
service providers, and civil rights groups.  In October 2011, our County
became a beacon for counties in the nation to protect immigrants rights and
public safety by passing the most progressive detainer policy in the nation.
Our County rightly and courageously stood up to ICE, and for our community.


Most recently, District Attorney Jeff Rosen is trying to force the Board to
re-neg this policy.  We are asking you to please sign on to this letter and
urge the County Board of Supervisors to protect it.  To sign on, please
email Jazmin Segura at SIREN at jazmin at siren-bayarea.org or Charisse Domingo
with Silicon Valley De-Bug at charissedomingo at gmail.com  We would like to
get as many organizations to sign on by Tuesday, January 8, 2013.

Thank you so much for your support.

Sincerely,
Santa Clara County FIRE Coalition

SIGN ON LETTER:
We, the undersigned, stand together in strongly supporting Santa Clara
County's current Civil Detainer Policy 3.54 voted in by the Board of
Supervisors that separates local law enforcement from federal immigration,
builds needed trust between immigrant communities and law enforcement, and
creates a safer Santa Clara County for all. As such, we also collectively
reject any attempts to undermine the policy.

  

Since October 2011, when the policy was passed, Santa Clara County has
become a beacon for counties nationwide to follow as an intelligent and
value-driven response to immigration detainer requests in a way that
protects immigrant rights. As a region where one-third of our residents are
immigrants, nearly half of our workforce is foreign-born and close to
two-thirds of those under the age of 18 are children of immigrants -- it was
appropriate that our county lead the way. Refusing to buy any more lies from
ICE who strung along the entire country with the failed promises of the
Secure Communities Program, Santa Clara County wisely took a stand to not
fuel this broken immigration system that to date, has deported more than
over 80,000 from California alone.

The policy, guided through a lengthy process that included input from
elected decision-makers, law enforcement officials, legal experts, and
community advocates respects the criminal court system in imposing and
overseeing the appropriate punishment on criminal behavior.   Local law
enforcement's use of detainer requests to determine public safety even after
the courts have determined the appropriate custodial status only erodes
trust and causes confusion between immigrant communities and the local law
enforcement. ICE, which has proven to be as unaccountable as it has been
deceptive, should not be controlling our county's local justice system. When
this happens, public safety and belief in the integrity of our local justice
system becomes compromised.  The current policy demonstrated our County's
capacity to elevate local policy setting beyond the false choice propagated
by ICE of public safety OR immigrants rights.

In addition, it is a failure of leadership if the County decides to even
reconsider - or worse revoke -- this policy only a year after it was passed.
We count on our leaders to be consistent, strong, and enduring in their
commitment to the people of this county. To retreat from a policy you voted
in just a year prior would send a confusing message to the public that would
cause a crisis of confidence. How much can we depend on our elected
officials if they believe in a policy enough to vote for it one year, then
flip flop just a year later?

The County spent more than a year deliberating on this policy which was
passed by the Board of Supervisors and supported by a cross-ethnic
collaboration of faith based organizations, civil rights groups, community
groups, immigrants rights service providers, and immigrant rights advocates.
Santa Clara County had it right the first time.  Protecting immigrant rights
results in public safety.  We urge you to protect the Civil Detainer Policy
3.54 as it stands, and let our community continue to build a County that
respects the rights and well-being of all its residents through sound and
principled policies.




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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec 23 15:06:15 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:06:15 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
In-Reply-To: <50D78678.9020800@aceweb.com>
References: <50D77E4F.8010307@sbcglobal.net> <50D78678.9020800@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <50D78E67.5040004@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Tian et al.:


       There are only two items on the agenda that need a decision 
before Jan. 24 if we are to support them:


             * Do we want to endorse Move to Amend's January 15 teach-in 
on Citizens United?


             * Do we want to be listed as a "Community Partner" of 
"Silicon Valley Reads"?  They want to know by January 1 or so.


       Introductions and announcements can be handled less formally, and 
report backs on events since the last meeting can be postponed until our 
Jan. 24 meeting, I think.


       Acceptable?
       Spencer


On 12/23/2012 2:32 PM, Tian Harter wrote:
> On 12/23/2012 01:57 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>> One of the postings discussing committees in the context of
>> shorter meetings ended with
>> "...until we reach a critical mass on committees.?"
>>
>> What is being done to reach that critical mass?
>
> Part of it is having a shared mission and the volunteer energy to make 
> it happen.
> Volunteers that want to make something happen are key to achieving 
> critical mass.
>>
>> What else can be done?
>>
>> In which time frame?
>
> Ummm... San Jose Bike Party currently has critical mass. If you show 
> up at my party and talk to
> them maybe you'll get a better feel for what critical mass looks/feels 
> like.
>
> Of course that assumes you don't buzzkill them with a boring meeting 
> instead of a holiday
> party.... Looking at that agenda that John posted I'm feeling nervous 
> about that!
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 23 15:41:08 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:41:08 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] community reads
Message-ID: <50D79694.2010004@sbcglobal.net>

I would support joining community reads.
Also, we could read the books and have our own discussions
or sponsor a discussion group.

Jim Doyle



From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 23 17:59:04 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:59:04 CST
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: PLEASE SIGN ON: Support Letter to Protect
	Santa Clara County's Immigrant Detainer Policy
Message-ID: <769639.63755.bm@smtp123-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

seeing that spencer has elected to modify the agenda after the well publicized deadline of sat dec 22 at noon i suggest that spencer be in charge of preparing the agenda including printing out a few copies for us to read at the meeting.  i'm on vacation until the 27th and only have access to email via my phone. so unless you want an agenda that is formatted the same as this message i suggest that spencer take on this task.  thanks.  john thielking
-----Original Message-----
Date: Sunday, December 23, 2012 2:51:48 pm
To: "GPSCC" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
From: "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: PLEASE SIGN ON: Support Letter to Protect Santa Clara County's Immigrant Detainer Policy
Attachments: winmail.dat (6 KB)

Hello, All:


ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM FOR DECEMBER 27:   Does the Green Party of Santa 
Clara County wish to endorse the statement below by the Forum for 
Immigrant Rights and Empowerment (FIRE) supporting the current immigrant 
detainer policy and opposing the attempt by Santa Clara County District 
Attorney Jeff Rosen to deport more people with minimal due process of law?


BACKGROUND:  Last year, Santa Clara County effectively said they would 
not comply with the federal "Secure Communities" program. This federal 
program requires local government to detain people without complete 
documentation of citizenship for 48 hours while Immigration and Customs 
Enforcement (ICE) decides if they want to deport the individual.  In Los 
Angeles and Colorado, these 2-day holds have in practice averaged 20 
days or more.  California Attorney General Kamala Harris has ruled that 
any community (such as Santa Clara County) can choose to opt out of this 
federal mandate. FIRE wants an answer by January 8.




From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 23 18:02:55 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:02:55 CST
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
Message-ID: <392965.84039.bm@smtp110-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

spencer could you please prepare the new agenda and print it out?
-----Original Message-----
Date: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:06:35 pm
To: "Tian Harter" <tnharter at aceweb.com>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
From: "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass

Hi, Tian et al.:


       There are only two items on the agenda that need a decision 
before Jan. 24 if we are to support them:


             * Do we want to endorse Move to Amend's January 15 teach-in 
on Citizens United?


             * Do we want to be listed as a "Community Partner" of 
"Silicon Valley Reads"?  They want to know by January 1 or so.


       Introductions and announcements can be handled less formally, and 
report backs on events since the last meeting can be postponed until our 
Jan. 24 meeting, I think.


       Acceptable?
       Spencer


On 12/23/2012 2:32 PM, Tian Harter wrote:
> On 12/23/2012 01:57 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>> One of the postings discussing committees in the context of
>> shorter meetings ended with
>> "...until we reach a critical mass on committees.?"
>>
>> What is being done to reach that critical mass?
>
> Part of it is having a shared mission and the volunteer energy to make 
> it happen.
> Volunteers that want to make something 



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Sun Dec 23 18:16:20 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:16:20 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
In-Reply-To: <392965.84039.bm@smtp110-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <392965.84039.bm@smtp110-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50D7BAF4.306@prodsyse.com>

yes.  Thanks.  sg


On 12/23/2012 6:02 PM, John Thielking wrote:
> spencer could you please prepare the new agenda and print it out?
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:06:35 pm
> To: "Tian Harter" <tnharter at aceweb.com>
> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> From: "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
>
> Hi, Tian et al.:
>
>
>         There are only two items on the agenda that need a decision
> before Jan. 24 if we are to support them:
>
>
>               * Do we want to endorse Move to Amend's January 15 teach-in
> on Citizens United?
>
>
>               * Do we want to be listed as a "Community Partner" of
> "Silicon Valley Reads"?  They want to know by January 1 or so.
>
>
>         Introductions and announcements can be handled less formally, and
> report backs on events since the last meeting can be postponed until our
> Jan. 24 meeting, I think.
>
>
>         Acceptable?
>         Spencer
>
>
> On 12/23/2012 2:32 PM, Tian Harter wrote:
>> On 12/23/2012 01:57 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>>> One of the postings discussing committees in the context of
>>> shorter meetings ended with
>>> "...until we reach a critical mass on committees.?"
>>>
>>> What is being done to reach that critical mass?
>> Part of it is having a shared mission and the volunteer energy to make
>> it happen.
>> Volunteers that want to make something


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 24 09:34:16 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:34:16 CST
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
Message-ID: <665765.87600.bm@smtp108-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

i apologize if this email gets scrambled etc since i'm sending it from a place that has no bars on my phone and i keep getting error messages after sending email.  anyway, i think that the issue of critical mass on committees is in a bit of a grey area right now as we have at least 3 individuals who are acting on their own to some degree on behalf of the green party.  there is john thielking doing peacemovies. there is spencer doing move your money and foreclosures.  there is caroline doing tabling withthe help of a few others.  so to say that we can't have committees of one person may be a bit inconsistent with present reality.  we could then focus on how much autonomy these individuals can have while still representing the green party.  for instance i would be free to organize an event sponsored by peacemovies without getting cc approval since it would not yet be a green party event.  but i would not assume that i could organize a gp event without prior approval. what do you think about that and how is that going to change if at all if we break up into committees?  john thielking 
-----Original Message-----
Date: Sunday, December 23, 2012 6:03:03 pm
To: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com, tnharter at aceweb.com
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
From: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass

spencer could you please prepare the new agenda and print it out?
-----Original Message-----
Date: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:06:35 pm
To: "Tian Harter" <tnharter at aceweb.com>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
From: "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass

Hi, Tian et al.:


       There are only two items on the agenda that need a decision 
before Jan. 24 if we are to support them:


             * Do we want to endorse Move to Amend's January 15 teach-in 
on Citizens United?


             * Do we want to be listed as a "Community Partner" of 
"Silicon Valley Reads"?  They want to know by January 1 or so.


       Introductions and announcements can be handled less formally, and 
report backs on events since the last meeting can be postponed until our 
Jan. 24 meeting, I think.


       Acceptable?
       Spencer


On 12/23/2012 2:32 PM, Tian Harter wrote:
> On 12/23/2012 01:57 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>> One of the postings discuss



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon Dec 24 10:34:38 2012
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:34:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
In-Reply-To: <665765.87600.bm@smtp108-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <665765.87600.bm@smtp108-mob.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1356374078.74225.YahooMailRC@web181303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Once I start chemo, which I do next week, I don't know how much tabling I will 
be doing for awhile. I'm having a little surgery on Thursday, and probably won't 
be at the party. Anyway, I hope we can find a new home for all the stuff.
Caroline




________________________________
From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: pagesincolor at yahoo.com; spencer.graves at prodsyse.com; tnharter at aceweb.com
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Sent: Mon, December 24, 2012 9:34:26 AM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass

i apologize if this email gets scrambled etc since i'm sending it from a place 
that has no bars on my phone and i keep getting error messages after sending 
email.? anyway, i think that the issue of critical mass on committees is in a 
bit of a grey area right now as we have at least 3 individuals who are acting on 
their own to some degree on behalf of the green party.? there is john thielking 
doing peacemovies. there is spencer doing move your money and foreclosures.? 
there is caroline doing tabling withthe help of a few others.? so to say that we 
can't have committees of one person may be a bit inconsistent with present 
reality.? we could then focus on how much autonomy these individuals can have 
while still representing the green party.? for instance i would be free to 
organize an event sponsored by peacemovies without getting cc approval since it 
would not yet be a green party event.? but i would not assume that i could 
organize a gp event without prior approval. what do yo
u think about that and how is that going to change if at all if we break up into 
committees?? john thielking 

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sunday, December 23, 2012 6:03:03 pm
To: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com, tnharter at aceweb.com
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
From: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass

spencer could you please prepare the new agenda and print it out?
-----Original Message-----
Date: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:06:35 pm
To: "Tian Harter" <tnharter at aceweb.com>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
From: "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass

Hi, Tian et al.:


? ? ? There are only two items on the agenda that need a decision 
before Jan. 24 if we are to support them:


? ? ? ? ? ? * Do we want to endorse Move to Amend's January 15 teach-in 
on Citizens United?


? ? ? ? ? ? * Do we want to be listed as a "Community Partner" of 
"Silicon Valley Reads"?? They want to know by January 1 or so.


? ? ? Introductions and announcements can be handled less formally, and 
report backs on events since the last meeting can be postponed until our 
Jan. 24 meeting, I think.


? ? ? Acceptable?
? ? ? Spencer


On 12/23/2012 2:32 PM, Tian Harter wrote:
> On 12/23/2012 01:57 PM, Jim Doyle wrote:
>> One of the postings discuss

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From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 25 20:47:28 2012
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 20:47:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
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Happy Holidays all.

The mistaken premise of this discussion is that the only Greens that could possibly participate are the few that come to our business meetings. I don't believe in requiring people to come to our business meetings in order to participate. i rather think that without serious reformation of our business meetings to make them much, much more productive and engaging it is a severe mistake to ask people to come to our business meetings!!! Yes I do say that!

So while the business meeting and the Council need to guide the direction its completely counterproductive and anti-Green to insist on centralization of our work. One of our 10 Key Values is Decentralization and another is Local Control and another is Personal Responsibility. So these values run counter to trying to control all party functions via the county party apparatus. 

Instead we need to be creating about 5 semi autonomous Locals to cover the work of the party throughout the county. Sure there are some functions like media, treasury and perhaps tabling that need to be done at the county level. But local events and actions along the lines of house parties, running local events campaigns Get Out the Vote (GOtV) and city politics by nature must be decentralized. We are not and will never be that functional and competitive as a party until we are really decentralized and operating at a more localized way, below the county level.

Green is GO!

Drew

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From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:07:56 CST
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass
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the premise is not mistaken.  if you think that giving allied committees and individuals more autonomy to the point where they don't even have to attend ga meetings is an appropriate goal then by all means cast your vote for that when and if we decide to delegate that authority.  however even mta has at least one rep from each committee give a report at the ga meeting and i think we should require this too at our ga meetings.  john thielking
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From: "Drew" <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] critical mass

Happy Holidays all.

The mistaken premise of this discussion is that the only Greens that could possibly participate are the few that come to our business meetings. I don't believe in requiring people to come to our business meetings in order to participate. i rather think that without serious reformation of our business meetings to make them much, much more productive and engaging it is a severe mistake to ask people to come to our business meetings!!! Yes I do say that!

So while the business meeting and the Council need to guide the direction its completely counterproductive and anti-Green to insist on centralization of our work. One of our 10 Key Values is Decentralization and another is Local Control and another is Personal Responsibility. So these values run counter to trying to control all party functions via the county party apparatus. 

Instead we need to be creating about 5 semi autonomous Locals to cover the work of the party throughout the county. Sure there are some functions like media, tr



From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 26 13:35:59 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:59 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] monthly meetings & critical mass
Message-ID: <50DB6DBF.8060403@sbcglobal.net>

I agree wholeheartedly with Drew's comments (see below.)

He mentions the need to be creating semi autonomous locals.

Let's rephrase that and turn it into a proposal:
be it proposed athat we create semi autonomous locals.

Upon approval of the proposal the details of its implementation
such as who is going to do what when must be worked out and
agreed upon, i.e., volunteers needed.

Jim Doyle

P.S.  La Raza meeting agendas (agendi) list ten two minute reports
on issues pertinent to them, e.g., immigration and its friends such as
ice raids, drivers licenses, and the dream act.  Two minutes to give
an update of what has transpired in the last month.

Such an approach would help to streamline our meetings.
-------
Drew had posted

Happy Holidays all.

The mistaken premise of this discussion is that the only Greens that could possibly participate are the few that come to our business meetings. I don't believe in requiring people to come to our business meetings in order to participate. i rather think that without serious reformation of our business meetings to make them much, much more productive and engaging it is a severe mistake to ask people to come to our business meetings!!! Yes I do say that!

So while the business meeting and the Council need to guide the direction its completely counterproductive and anti-Green to insist on centralization of our work. One of our 10 Key Values is Decentralization and another is Local Control and another is Personal Responsibility. So these values run counter to trying to control all party functions via the county party apparatus. 

Instead we need to be creating about 5 semi autonomous Locals to cover the work of the party throughout the county. Sure there are some functions like media, treasury and perhaps tabling that need to be done at the county level. But local events and actions along the lines of house parties, running local events campaigns Get Out the Vote (GOtV) and city politics by nature must be decentralized. We are not and will never be that functional and competitive as a party until we are really decentralized and operating at a more localized way, below the county level.

Green is GO!

Drew





From vdf at juno.com  Wed Dec 26 21:45:17 2012
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:45:17 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Locals (was Re:  monthly meetings & critical mass)
Message-ID: <20121226.214517.18498.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

Hi folks,

FYI, our bylaws (http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/bylaws.shtml) say the following about forming county locals:

-  -  -

ARTICLE 5 COUNTY LOCALS 

5.1 Consistent with Green Party values supporting decentralization and personal responsibility, individual members may form locals of the Green Party of Santa Clara County in the various subregions of the county. 

5.2 To be duly recognized as an official GPSCC Local, such a group must: 

a) Be approved as a County Local -- either by the County Council or at a general meeting of the GPSCC -- after submitting a written request signed by at least five (5) Members describing their intent to form a Local and the boundaries of the proposed Local. 

b) Minutes will be recorded for all official meetings and a copy will be made available to the County Council on request. 

c) Duly elect a contact person who will facilitate communication between the local and the county organization. 

d) Have clearly defined geographic boundaries and notify the Council in writing of any subsequent changes of those boundaries. 

e) Conduct Local activities in accordance with the spirit and intent of the Green Party's 10 Key Values. 

5.3 A GPSCC Local shall not take any public position on county-wide or state-wide issues contrary to that taken by the GPSCC or the California Green Party, without receiving consensus at a County general meeting. A Local shall not assert any authority expressly reserved to the GPSCC in these Bylaws or to the California Green Party in the state party's bylaws. 

-  -  -

If we're serious about creating locals we need to follow these rules (or amend the bylaws as described in Article 8).  I'm in favor of forming any sub-groups that enable us to work more effectively, but as things stand the bylaws have their own version of a "critical mass" clause with respect to locals (i.e. you need 5 people to form one).  If we can't make the distribution work, perhaps we should change the bylaws and/or form committees as needed (short- or long-term) around common interests, needs and issues.  If we change the bylaws, please let's make sure that we follow the process and update the website so that everyone knows what's going on.

Best wishes,
Valerie


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      http://www.loc.gov/poetry/180/133.html


---------- Original Message ----------
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:59 -0800
From: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
To: sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] monthly meetings & critical mass

I agree wholeheartedly with Drew's comments (see below.)

He mentions the need to be creating semi autonomous locals.

Let's rephrase that and turn it into a proposal:
be it proposed athat we create semi autonomous locals.

Upon approval of the proposal the details of its implementation
such as who is going to do what when must be worked out and
agreed upon, i.e., volunteers needed.

Jim Doyle

P.S.  La Raza meeting agendas (agendi) list ten two minute reports
on issues pertinent to them, e.g., immigration and its friends such as
ice raids, drivers licenses, and the dream act.  Two minutes to give
an update of what has transpired in the last month.

Such an approach would help to streamline our meetings.
-------
Drew had posted

Happy Holidays all.

The mistaken premise of this discussion is that the only Greens that could possibly participate are the few that come to our business meetings. I don't believe in requiring people to come to our business meetings in order to participate. i rather think that without serious reformation of our business meetings to make them much, much more productive and engaging it is a severe mistake to ask people to come to our business meetings!!! Yes I do say that!

So while the business meeting and the Council need to guide the direction its completely counterproductive and anti-Green to insist on centralization of our work. One of our 10 Key Values is Decentralization and another is Local Control and another is Personal Responsibility. So these values run counter to trying to control all party functions via the county party apparatus. 

Instead we need to be creating about 5 semi autonomous Locals to cover the work of the party throughout the county. Sure there are some functions like media, treasury and perhaps tabling that need to be done at the county level. But local events and actions along the lines of house parties, running local events campaigns Get Out the Vote (GOtV) and city politics by nature must be decentralized. We are not and will never be that functional and competitive as a party until we are really decentralized and operating at a more localized way, below the county level.

Green is GO!

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From vdf at juno.com  Wed Dec 26 22:23:26 2012
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:23:26 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Locals (was Re: monthly meetings & critical mass)
Message-ID: <20121226.222326.18498.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

P.S.:

If we don't want to amend the bylaws, another way of reaching the 5-person "critical mass" required for locals is to recruit additional people (who don't necessarily attend monthly business meetings) who are interested in forming a local.  Recruitment should be high on the "to-do" list no matter what structure things take.

Valerie

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Valerie D. Face" <vdf at juno.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:45:17 GMT
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Locals (was Re:  monthly meetings & critical mass)

Hi folks,

FYI, our bylaws (http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/bylaws.shtml) say the following about forming county locals:

-  -  -

ARTICLE 5 COUNTY LOCALS 

5.1 Consistent with Green Party values supporting decentralization and personal responsibility, individual members may form locals of the Green Party of Santa Clara County in the various subregions of the county. 

5.2 To be duly recognized as an official GPSCC Local, such a group must: 

a) Be approved as a County Local -- either by the County Council or at a general meeting of the GPSCC -- after submitting a written request signed by at least five (5) Members describing their intent to form a Local and the boundaries of the proposed Local. 

b) Minutes will be recorded for all official meetings and a copy will be made available to the County Council on request. 

c) Duly elect a contact person who will facilitate communication between the local and the county organization. 

d) Have clearly defined geographic boundaries and notify the Council in writing of any subsequent changes of those boundaries. 

e) Conduct Local activities in accordance with the spirit and intent of the Green Party's 10 Key Values. 

5.3 A GPSCC Local shall not take any public position on county-wide or state-wide issues contrary to that taken by the GPSCC or the California Green Party, without receiving consensus at a County general meeting. A Local shall not assert any authority expressly reserved to the GPSCC in these Bylaws or to the California Green Party in the state party's bylaws. 

-  -  -

If we're serious about creating locals we need to follow these rules (or amend the bylaws as described in Article 8).  I'm in favor of forming any sub-groups that enable us to work more effectively, but as things stand the bylaws have their own version of a "critical mass" clause with respect to locals (i.e. you need 5 people to form one).  If we can't make the distribution work, perhaps we should change the bylaws and/or form committees as needed (short- or long-term) around common interests, needs and issues.  If we change the bylaws, please let's make sure that we follow the process and update the website so that everyone knows what's going on.

Best wishes,
Valerie


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    - from "The Summer Day" by Mary Oliver
      http://www.loc.gov/poetry/180/133.html


---------- Original Message ----------
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:59 -0800
From: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
To: sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] monthly meetings & critical mass

I agree wholeheartedly with Drew's comments (see below.)

He mentions the need to be creating semi autonomous locals.

Let's rephrase that and turn it into a proposal:
be it proposed athat we create semi autonomous locals.

Upon approval of the proposal the details of its implementation
such as who is going to do what when must be worked out and
agreed upon, i.e., volunteers needed.

Jim Doyle

P.S.  La Raza meeting agendas (agendi) list ten two minute reports
on issues pertinent to them, e.g., immigration and its friends such as
ice raids, drivers licenses, and the dream act.  Two minutes to give
an update of what has transpired in the last month.

Such an approach would help to streamline our meetings.
-------
Drew had posted

Happy Holidays all.

The mistaken premise of this discussion is that the only Greens that could possibly participate are the few that come to our business meetings. I don't believe in requiring people to come to our business meetings in order to participate. i rather think that without serious reformation of our business meetings to make them much, much more productive and engaging it is a severe mistake to ask people to come to our business meetings!!! Yes I do say that!

So while the business meeting and the Council need to guide the direction its completely counterproductive and anti-Green to insist on centralization of our work. One of our 10 Key Values is Decentralization and another is Local Control and another is Personal Responsibility. So these values run counter to trying to control all party functions via the county party apparatus. 

Instead we need to be creating about 5 semi autonomous Locals to cover the work of the party throughout the county. Sure there are some functions like media, treasury and perhaps tabling that need to be done at the county level. But local events and actions along the lines of house parties, running local events campaigns Get Out the Vote (GOtV) and city politics by nature must be decentralized. We are not and will never be that functional and competitive as a party until we are really decentralized and operating at a more localized way, below the county level.

Green is GO!

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From vdf at juno.com  Wed Dec 26 22:46:20 2012
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:46:20 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State
	Leg	 islative Demands 2012
Message-ID: <20121226.224620.18498.2@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

Hi folks,

Regarding the issue of the use of time at monthly meetings, I like John's suggestion, "...make use of our one free event per month allowed at the Peace Center (in addition to our GA meeting) and have a potluck or something of general interest go on at that time," better than pushing most business back into the last hour of the business meeting.

We did have a monthly movie night for a while, but public interest and interest in organizing it waned, so perhaps we could replace it with something else.  Or, if we don't have enough volunteers to make it happen once a month, perhaps once a quarter, or something like that.  For my part, I'm willing to make calls to registered Greens to publicize any events we have, whether they happen monthly or just every now and then.

Best wishes,
Valerie


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We could discuss this in more detail at the January meeting.? Personally, I think we should be happy that our GA meetings as they are only go on for 2 hours.? Take a look at your average city council meeting for an example of what we really want to avoid. If we could find enough people to form committees of suficient size (a committee of one person is not a committee in my opinion) then I could see breaking the work up into smaller committees such as Move?To Amend does.? But I don't see that happening just yet. It is a bit of a catch 22 I know.?Also, as the committees grow to sufficient size to function on their own, they?will have?more stuff to report and?the GA meeting?might still end up being 2 hours long anyway.?I would continue my earlier suggestion that we make use of our one free event per month allowed at the Peace Center (in addition to our GA meeting) and have a potluck or something of general interest go on at that time. We should
 keep the?GA meetings as they are (ie have both an as usual GA meeting and committees) until we reach a critical mass on committees.?
?
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From: perrysandy at aol.com <perrysandy at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg islative Demands 2012
To: vdf at juno.com, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 2:27 PM



Hi Everyne,
?
Unfortunately I will be out of town so I will not be able to attend the meeting/party at Tian's on the 27th.
?
I don't believe meeting format is on the agenda, but in case it comes, I want to put in my two cents. I don't believe I have ever met Valerie, but I agree with her post completely. I believe in promptness, efficiency, short meetings,?and active committees to build around issues.
?
?
Sandy Perry
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?

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To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:58 am
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg islative Demands 2012


Hi folks,

On December 9 Spencer wrote, "...  I also suggest we restructure our monthly 
meetings so the first hour consists of a presentation and discussion with 
leaders of other groups focusing on finding common ground on this issue.  To 
accomplish this, I suggest we restrict the business of our current meetings to 1 
hour.  Any topic that runs over time gets referred to a committee or to the 
County Council. ..."

I am not in favor of this.  Personally, I already find the late starting time of 
our meetings to be a bit of a deterrent.  I think that a business meeting should 
get to the business promptly and try to conduct it efficiently while those in 
attendance are still alert -- not make them wait until they are tired and 
anxious to go home.

Because our platform covers a lot of issues, I think we should allow for the 
possibility of diverse issues being raised and not commit, in advance, to 
restricting the entire first half of the meeting to just one issue (or even a 
set of similar issues).  I also don't think that we should hand over a large 
chunk of our own business meeting to other groups -- it's a Green Party meeting, 
after all.

I do think that we can find common ground with other groups, and/or work in a 
more focused fashion on specific issues, but I don't think it's fair to turn the 
business meeting into the vehicle for that.  The time restriction could easily 
prevent new business and issues from being brought to the group in a timely 
fashion.  I would prefer to see committees (or workgroups, such as those used by 
the Santa Clara County Move to Amend chapter) created to deal with focused 
issues, projects, types of coalition building, events, etc.  At the business 
meeting each committee or group could give a *brief* report on what it's doing 
and let folks know how to get involved and get more detailed information.  That 
way the business meeting would provide a good overview of everything we're 
actively working on while still allowing time for folks to bring up new business 
and feel that their ideas are being given a fair hearing (but they, like anyone 
presenting something at the meeting, should be r
 espectful of everyone's time and be clear and concise with their proposals so 
we have time to get through as many items as possible). 

That's my 2 cents.

Was there much discussion of alternative meeting format ideas at the November 
meeting?

Best wishes,
Valerie


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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 27 08:05:37 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:05:37 CST
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] reminder to spencer re;
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spencer please don't forget to do the agenda today.  please send a draft via email before the meeting.  thanks.  john thielking
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From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:33:26 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State
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Hi, Valerie, Drew, et al.:


On 12/26/2012 10:46 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Regarding the issue of the use of time at monthly meetings, I like John's suggestion, "...make use of our one free event per month allowed at the Peace Center (in addition to our GA meeting) and have a potluck or something of general interest go on at that time," better than pushing most business back into the last hour of the business meeting.
>
> We did have a monthly movie night for a while, but public interest and interest in organizing it waned, so perhaps we could replace it with something else.  Or, if we don't have enough volunteers to make it happen once a month, perhaps once a quarter, or something like that.  For my part, I'm willing to make calls to registered Greens to publicize any events we have, whether they happen monthly or just every now and then.

       I'm for this.  Drew has said there is software to help us track 
responses to call, which needs someone with some tech savvy to get it 
set up for us, write procedures, etc.  Jim Doyle and I have a recent 
version of the database from the Santa Clara County Registrar of 
Voters.  I can help with this effort, but I'm not willing to take the lead.


       Spencer
>
> Best wishes,
> Valerie
>
>
> ~*~*~*~
> "Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?"
>      - from "The Summer Day" by Mary Oliver
>        http://www.loc.gov/poetry/180/133.html
>
>
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>
> We could discuss this in more detail at the January meeting.  Personally, I think we should be happy that our GA meetings as they are only go on for 2 hours.  Take a look at your average city council meeting for an example of what we really want to avoid. If we could find enough people to form committees of suficient size (a committee of one person is not a committee in my opinion) then I could see breaking the work up into smaller committees such as Move To Amend does.  But I don't see that happening just yet. It is a bit of a catch 22 I know. Also, as the committees grow to sufficient size to function on their own, they will have more stuff to report and the GA meeting might still end up being 2 hours long anyway. I would continue my earlier suggestion that we make use of our one free event per month allowed at the Peace Center (in addition to our GA meeting) and have a potluck or something of general interest go on at that time. We should
>   keep the GA meetings as they are (ie have both an as usual GA meeting and committees) until we reach a critical mass on committees.
>   
> John Thielking
>
> --- On Sat, 12/22/12, perrysandy at aol.com <perrysandy at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: perrysandy at aol.com <perrysandy at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg islative Demands 2012
> To: vdf at juno.com, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 2:27 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Everyne,
>   
> Unfortunately I will be out of town so I will not be able to attend the meeting/party at Tian's on the 27th.
>   
> I don't believe meeting format is on the agenda, but in case it comes, I want to put in my two cents. I don't believe I have ever met Valerie, but I agree with her post completely. I believe in promptness, efficiency, short meetings, and active committees to build around issues.
>   
>   
> Sandy Perry
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Valerie D. Face <vdf at juno.com>
> To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:58 am
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-votes] Discuss: ID 12 - GPCA State Leg islative Demands 2012
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> On December 9 Spencer wrote, "...  I also suggest we restructure our monthly
> meetings so the first hour consists of a presentation and discussion with
> leaders of other groups focusing on finding common ground on this issue.  To
> accomplish this, I suggest we restrict the business of our current meetings to 1
> hour.  Any topic that runs over time gets referred to a committee or to the
> County Council. ..."
>
> I am not in favor of this.  Personally, I already find the late starting time of
> our meetings to be a bit of a deterrent.  I think that a business meeting should
> get to the business promptly and try to conduct it efficiently while those in
> attendance are still alert -- not make them wait until they are tired and
> anxious to go home.
>
> Because our platform covers a lot of issues, I think we should allow for the
> possibility of diverse issues being raised and not commit, in advance, to
> restricting the entire first half of the meeting to just one issue (or even a
> set of similar issues).  I also don't think that we should hand over a large
> chunk of our own business meeting to other groups -- it's a Green Party meeting,
> after all.
>
> I do think that we can find common ground with other groups, and/or work in a
> more focused fashion on specific issues, but I don't think it's fair to turn the
> business meeting into the vehicle for that.  The time restriction could easily
> prevent new business and issues from being brought to the group in a timely
> fashion.  I would prefer to see committees (or workgroups, such as those used by
> the Santa Clara County Move to Amend chapter) created to deal with focused
> issues, projects, types of coalition building, events, etc.  At the business
> meeting each committee or group could give a *brief* report on what it's doing
> and let folks know how to get involved and get more detailed information.  That
> way the business meeting would provide a good overview of everything we're
> actively working on while still allowing time for folks to bring up new business
> and feel that their ideas are being given a fair hearing (but they, like anyone
> presenting something at the meeting, should be r
>   espectful of everyone's time and be clear and concise with their proposals so
> we have time to get through as many items as possible).
>
> That's my 2 cents.
>
> Was there much discussion of alternative meeting format ideas at the November
> meeting?
>
> Best wishes,
> Valerie
>
>
> ~*~*~*~
> "Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?"
>      - from "The Summer Day" by Mary Oliver
>        http://www.loc.gov/poetry/180/133.html
>
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Thu Dec 27 12:38:33 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:38:33 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat]  Draft Agenda For Dec 27th,
	2012  GPSCC GA Meeting/Party
In-Reply-To: <1356206832.12141.YahooMailClassic@web122901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1356206832.12141.YahooMailClassic@web122901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50DCB1C9.7010603@prodsyse.com>

> Draft Agenda for December 27, 2012 Green Party of Santa Clara County
> GA meeting to be held at Tian's clubhouse 7PM-10PM at 505 Cypress
> Point, Mountain View, CA
>
>
> 7:00-7:30 Arrive, socialize.
>
>
> 7:30 Meeting begins. Identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper,
> vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next meeting.
>
>
> 7:35 Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda. Review
> minutes from November's meeting and approve.
>
>
> 7:50 There will be no treasurer's report since Jim Doyle won't be
> here. Hat passing.
>
>
> 7:55 Report back on events that happened since the last meeting. Anti
> SS cuts protest in front of Lofgren's office, etc.  OPTIONAL;  POSTPONE UNTIL JANUARY?


8:10:  Do the Santa Clara Greens want to support / endorse a Teach in
against Citizens United being organized by Move to Amend for January 15,
noon to 1 PM?
>
> 8:15 Might the Green Party wish to be listed as a "Community Partner"
> of "Silicon Valley Reads"?
> http://www.siliconvalleyreads.org/2013-14/default.asp We need to let
> the (SJPJC?) know by Jan 1st what our decision is. Hmmmm... The Peace
> Center will be closed until Jan 2, so how do we do that?
>
>
> 8:20 Meeting ends/Holiday Party begins.
> _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss
> mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


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President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com




From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri Dec 28 15:33:10 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:33:10 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] California judge disqualified in predatory lending case
Message-ID: <50DE2C36.700@prodsyse.com>

Hello, All:


	  The number 2 story on Wikinews right now is, "California judge 
disqualified from predatory lending case" (en.wikinews.org or directly 
at 
"http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/California_judge_disqualified_from_predatory_lending_case"). 



	  This relates to David Merritt, who spoke at the September 15 
Foreclosure Summit.


       Best Wishes,
       Spencer


-- 
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President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri Dec 28 16:02:27 2012
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:02:27 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] County Council Decisions Requested:
In-Reply-To: <1356206832.12141.YahooMailClassic@web122901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1356206832.12141.YahooMailClassic@web122901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50DE3313.1040106@prodsyse.com>

Hello, All:


	  Tian's party last night seemed to be a great success, but there was 
no official Green Party business meeting.


	  John therefore suggested that the County Council act on the two 
time-sensitive items on the agenda:


		    * Do the Santa Clara Greens want to support / endorse a Teach in 
against Citizens United being organized by Move to Amend for January 15, 
noon to 1 PM?


		    * Might the Green Party wish to be listed as a "Community Partner" 
of "Silicon Valley Reads"?  The organizers want an answer before Jan. 1.


	 We need a unanimous decision of Jim Doyle, Drew Johnson John Thielking 
and me to confirm these.  Everyone else is invited to express an 
opinion.  Unless I hear compelling reasons not, I will vote to endorse 
both these.


	  Thanks,
	  Spencer


> Draft Agenda for December 27, 2012 Green Party of Santa Clara County
> GA meeting to be held at Tian's clubhouse 7PM-10PM at 505 Cypress
> Point, Mountain View, CA
>
>
> 7:00-7:30 Arrive, socialize.
>
>
> 7:30 Meeting begins. Identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper,
> vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next meeting.
>
>
> 7:35 Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda. Review
> minutes from November's meeting and approve.
>
>
> 7:50 There will be no treasurer's report since Jim Doyle won't be
> here. Hat passing.
>
>
> 7:55 Report back on events that happened since the last meeting. Anti
> SS cuts protest in front of Lofgren's office, etc.  OPTIONAL;  POSTPONE UNTIL JANUARY?


8:10:  Do the Santa Clara Greens want to support / endorse a Teach in
against Citizens United being organized by Move to Amend for January 15,
noon to 1 PM?
>
> 8:15 Might the Green Party wish to be listed as a "Community Partner"
> of "Silicon Valley Reads"?
> http://www.siliconvalleyreads.org/2013-14/default.asp We need to let
> the (SJPJC?) know by Jan 1st what our decision is. Hmmmm... The Peace
> Center will be closed until Jan 2, so how do we do that?
>
>
> 8:20 Meeting ends/Holiday Party begins.
> _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss
> mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com




From vdf at juno.com  Fri Dec 28 20:11:11 2012
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:11:11 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] County Council Decisions Requested:
Message-ID: <20121228.201111.30622.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com>

I am in favor of endorsing these.

I'm very sorry I didn't make it to the party and I hope a great time was had by all.

Best wishes for a happy New Year,
Valerie


~*~*~*~
"Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?"
    - from "The Summer Day" by Mary Oliver
      http://www.loc.gov/poetry/180/133.html


---------- Original Message ----------
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:02:27 -0800
From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] County Council Decisions Requested:

Hello, All:


	  Tian's party last night seemed to be a great success, but there was 
no official Green Party business meeting.


	  John therefore suggested that the County Council act on the two 
time-sensitive items on the agenda:


		    * Do the Santa Clara Greens want to support / endorse a Teach in 
against Citizens United being organized by Move to Amend for January 15, 
noon to 1 PM?


		    * Might the Green Party wish to be listed as a "Community Partner" 
of "Silicon Valley Reads"?  The organizers want an answer before Jan. 1.


	 We need a unanimous decision of Jim Doyle, Drew Johnson John Thielking 
and me to confirm these.  Everyone else is invited to express an 
opinion.  Unless I hear compelling reasons not, I will vote to endorse 
both these.


	  Thanks,
	  Spencer


> Draft Agenda for December 27, 2012 Green Party of Santa Clara County
> GA meeting to be held at Tian's clubhouse 7PM-10PM at 505 Cypress
> Point, Mountain View, CA
>
>
> 7:00-7:30 Arrive, socialize.
>
>
> 7:30 Meeting begins. Identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper,
> vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next meeting.
>
>
> 7:35 Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda. Review
> minutes from November's meeting and approve.
>
>
> 7:50 There will be no treasurer's report since Jim Doyle won't be
> here. Hat passing.
>
>
> 7:55 Report back on events that happened since the last meeting. Anti
> SS cuts protest in front of Lofgren's office, etc.  OPTIONAL;  POSTPONE UNTIL JANUARY?


8:10:  Do the Santa Clara Greens want to support / endorse a Teach in
against Citizens United being organized by Move to Amend for January 15,
noon to 1 PM?
>
> 8:15 Might the Green Party wish to be listed as a "Community Partner"
> of "Silicon Valley Reads"?
> http://www.siliconvalleyreads.org/2013-14/default.asp We need to let
> the (SJPJC?) know by Jan 1st what our decision is. Hmmmm... The Peace
> Center will be closed until Jan 2, so how do we do that?
>
>
> 8:20 Meeting ends/Holiday Party begins.
> _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss
> mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com


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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Fri Dec 28 23:09:03 2012
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 23:09:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign and maybe...
Message-ID: <1356764943.5012.YahooMailRC@web181302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

How about doing one here?



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Sent: Fri, December 28, 2012 6:09:26 PM
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:06:22 -0800 (PST)
>From: Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign and maybe...
>
>
>Contact Tia Nowack, HQ at JillStein.org
>
>Scott
>
>
>
>
>From: shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu>
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:34 PM
>Subject: Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign and maybe...
>
>
>Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:35:33 -0800
>>From: "Christine Strawberry-Girl" <notification+hef=vovz at facebookmail.com>
>>Reply-to: Reply to Comment 
>><g+40s4zkr4000000e3549902ryae2baocs000000alot3y28o46 at groups.facebook.com>
>>Subject: [The Green Party of Orange County] Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign 
>>and maybe...
>>
>>
>>Christine Strawberry-Girl posted in The Green Party of Orange County
>> ?
>>Christine Strawberry-Girl 3:35pm Dec 28 
>>Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign and maybe get them to plan one of these 
>>Green Campaign School events for our area? Maybe we could work with Green Party 
>>of Los Angeles to get them to do one in SoCal. That would be really awesome! 
>>http://www.facebook.com/l/bAQHNe8Qq/www.jillstein.org/school_upper_midwest 
>>
>> ? Green Campaign School for Upper Midwest
>>www.jillstein.org
>>Throughout the course of the campaign, our focus has been on expanding and 
>>deepening the Green movem...
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From vdf at juno.com  Sat Dec 29 17:09:50 2012
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 01:09:50 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign and
	maybe...
Message-ID: <20121229.170950.15817.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Sounds good to me.

Valerie


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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:06:22 -0800 (PST)
>From: Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Scott McLarty <scottmclarty at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign and maybe...
>
>
>Contact Tia Nowack, HQ at JillStein.org
>
>Scott
>
>
>
>
>From: shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu>
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:34 PM
>Subject: Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign and maybe...
>
>
>Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:35:33 -0800
>>From: "Christine Strawberry-Girl" <notification+hef=vovz at facebookmail.com>
>>Reply-to: Reply to Comment 
>><g+40s4zkr4000000e3549902ryae2baocs000000alot3y28o46 at groups.facebook.com>
>>Subject: [The Green Party of Orange County] Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign 
>>and maybe...
>>
>>
>>Christine Strawberry-Girl posted in The Green Party of Orange County
>> ?
>>Christine Strawberry-Girl 3:35pm Dec 28 
>>Can we contact Jill Stein's campaign and maybe get them to plan one of these 
>>Green Campaign School events for our area? Maybe we could work with Green Party 
>>of Los Angeles to get them to do one in SoCal. That would be really awesome! 
>>http://www.facebook.com/l/bAQHNe8Qq/www.jillstein.org/school_upper_midwest 
>>
>> ? Green Campaign School for Upper Midwest
>>www.jillstein.org
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>>deepening the Green movem...
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 29 20:35:31 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:35:31 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] endorsements etc
Message-ID: <50DFC493.7030008@sbcglobal.net>

Yes I am for both

"Community Partner" of "Silicon Valley Reads"

and

Teach in against Citizens United being organized by Move to Amend

Jim Doyle





From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 29 21:17:02 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:17:02 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Campaign School
Message-ID: <50DFCE4E.9060401@sbcglobal.net>

Caroline wrote

How about doing one here?

Put that on the agenda for the January meeting.

I.e., I propose that we invite the Jill Stein team
to put on a Green Campaign School in our area.

Jim Doyle





From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 29 21:19:46 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:19:46 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker for January meeting
Message-ID: <50DFCEF2.7070305@sbcglobal.net>

First question
would the group like to have a person who is or has been
on welfare - CalWorks- as a speaker at our January meeting?

I know one and the person is willing to speak to us.

Jim Doyle



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sun Dec 30 07:27:09 2012
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:27:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Campaign School
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Sounds good to me




________________________________
From: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
To: sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Sat, December 29, 2012 9:17:09 PM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Campaign School

Caroline wrote

How about doing one here?

Put that on the agenda for the January meeting.

I.e., I propose that we invite the Jill Stein team
to put on a Green Campaign School in our area.

Jim Doyle



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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 07:52:43 2012
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:52:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker for January meeting
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Sounds good to me.? Go for it.
?
John Thielking

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From: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker for January meeting
To: "sosfbay discussion group" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Saturday, December 29, 2012, 9:19 PM


First question
would the group like to have a person who is or has been
on welfare - CalWorks- as a speaker at our January meeting?

I know one and the person is willing to speak to us.

Jim Doyle

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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 30 11:13:33 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:13:33 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] voter registration - agenda item
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 From Leland Lee's website announcing his candidacy
for Secretary of State in 2014

In September, we launched online voter registration.
Consequently, California set a new record with 18,245,970 registered 
voters.

Over 1 million people used the new registration system in less than a 
month,
with over 780,000 citizens added to the voter file.

Nearly 62 percent of those who registered online were under age 35 and
four out of five registered to vote for the very first time.

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I propose a discussion of how we can make use of a new voters list
doing a cost benefit analysis.



From perrysandy at aol.com  Sun Dec 30 19:48:26 2012
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:48:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker for January meeting
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I would not agree to this proposal without knowing who the person is, what groups he or she is a member of, what proposals he or she is advocating, whether he or she is a member of the Green Party, etc. What is our criteria for inviting speakers? There are about 25,000 people on CalWorks in our County, why this person?

As I said earlier, I believe our meetings should be short and energetic. That means the speakers we invite should be part of a plan to get involved in a particular campaign. If it is not about a proposed campaign I don't believe we should invite speakers. If people feel the need to get educated about CalWorks, they should go to some of the many events regularly put on by CalWorks recipients and their allies.


Sandy


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First question
would the group like to have a person who is or has been
on welfare - CalWorks- as a speaker at our January meeting?

I know one and the person is willing to speak to us.

Jim Doyle

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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 31 14:54:31 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:54:31 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] voter registration - agenda item
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This is a rewording of my earlier request for this agenda item:

I propose a doing a cost benefit analysis of 
how we can make use of a new voters list.





From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 31 16:16:27 2012
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:16:27 -0800
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker for January meeting
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perrysandy at aol.com wrote:

> I would not agree to this proposal without knowing who the person is,

Her name is Veronica.

> what groups he or she is a member of,

Working Women 9 to 5

> what proposals he or she is advocating,

amending the California Welfare and Institutions Code to eliminate
withdrawal of either the parental allotment when a dependant under16
old is truant or the dependant's allotment when the dependant is under 16
and truant.  There are other penalties in the Education Code.

> whether he or she is a member of the Green Party,

welfare is non partisan

> . What is our criteria for inviting speakers?

to my knowledge we do not have any formal criteria for speaker selection

> There are about 25,000 people on CalWorks in our County, why this person?

availability, personal experience, articulate

>  
> As I said earlier, I believe our meetings should be short and energetic.

amen brother.  Is this going to be an agenda item?

> That means the speakers we invite should be part of a plan to get 
> involved in a particular campaign.

I am not aware of any plans to get involved in any campaign.
We operate in an ad hoc basis endorsing actions, movements, events.


>  
>  
> Sandy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Doyle <j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net>
> To: sosfbay discussion group <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 29, 2012 9:19 pm
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker for January meeting
>
>First question
>would the group like to have a person who is or has been
>on welfare - CalWorks- as a speaker at our January meeting?
>
>I know one and the person is willing to speak to us.
>
>Jim Doyle
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