From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu May 3 07:48:49 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:48:49 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The Audacity of War Crimes In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Probably Obama's most important historical legacy will be the fact that by failing to investigate and prosecute the constitutional assaults and international crimes perpetrated by the "Mad Cowboy" Bush, he acted by precedent to permanently place these usurped powers in the presidential toolbox. I was not aware that our brothers and sisters at Veterans for Peace had voted in a resolution last August calling for Obama's impeachment for war crimes: "for failure to uphold his sworn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic, and for his commission of war crimes, crimes against humanity, obstruction of justice and the violation of numerous national and international laws, treaties and conventions.? http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/09/13/vets-for-peace-calls-for-impeachment-of-obama-for-war-crimes/ http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Turley_Obama_accessory_to_war_crimes_0127.html http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/18/daniel_ellsberg_joins_peace_activists_risking http://www.salon.com/2011/03/21/ralph_nader_obama_impeachment/ http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/02/the-constitutional-crimes-of-barack-obama/ http://jonathanturley.org/2010/12/02/wikileaks-obama-administration-secretly-worked-to-prevent-prosecution-of-war-crimes-by-the-bush-administration/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-turley/constitutional-rights_b_1213234.html The liberals' pleasure in enabling a black president has blinded them, and the argument that political reality dictates Obama's inability to prosecute the Bush regime--because it would incite an armed redneck rebellion--is so effective that it needn't even be stated. I do not subscribe to grand theories that the Illuminati or Outer-Space Reptiles or the Bohemian Grovers secretly run the world, but I do notice that if some secret cabal wanted to formally by precedent augment the power and authority of the chief executive to permit throwing people in the dungeon, wiretapping, unbridled military aggression, torture, and arbitrary secrecy, they would choose a black president to fulfill their agenda. Obama appears in Redwood City May 23. https://my.barackobama.com/May23RedwoodCityReception?custom1=4966739 I will be there with a big sign that says THE AUDACITY OF WAR CRIMES -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu May 3 08:41:44 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 08:41:44 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The Audacity of War Crimes In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <4FA2A738.3080301@earthlink.net> Time to revive the Silicon Valley Impeachment Committee? Gerry Brian Good wrote: > > Probably Obama's most important historical legacy will be the fact that > by failing to > investigate and prosecute the constitutional assaults and international > crimes perpetrated > by the "Mad Cowboy" Bush, he acted by precedent to permanently place > these usurped > powers in the presidential toolbox. > > I was not aware that our brothers and sisters at Veterans for Peace had > voted in a > resolution last August calling for Obama's impeachment for war crimes: > > "for failure to uphold his sworn oath to protect and defend the > Constitution of the United > States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic, and for his > commission of war > crimes, crimes against humanity, obstruction of justice and the > violation of numerous > national and international laws, treaties and conventions.? > > http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/09/13/vets-for-peace-calls-for-impeachment-of-obama-for-war-crimes/ > > > http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Turley_Obama_accessory_to_war_crimes_0127.html > > http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/18/daniel_ellsberg_joins_peace_activists_risking > > http://www.salon.com/2011/03/21/ralph_nader_obama_impeachment/ > > http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/02/the-constitutional-crimes-of-barack-obama/ > > http://jonathanturley.org/2010/12/02/wikileaks-obama-administration-secretly-worked-to-prevent-prosecution-of-war-crimes-by-the-bush-administration/ > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-turley/constitutional-rights_b_1213234.html > > > The liberals' pleasure in enabling a black president has blinded them, > and the argument that > political reality dictates Obama's inability to prosecute the Bush > regime--because it would incite an > armed redneck rebellion--is so effective that it needn't even be stated. > > I do not subscribe to grand theories that the Illuminati or Outer-Space > Reptiles or the Bohemian > Grovers secretly run the world, but I do notice that if some secret > cabal wanted to formally by > precedent augment the power and authority of the chief executive to > permit throwing people in > the dungeon, wiretapping, unbridled military aggression, torture, and > arbitrary secrecy, they would > choose a black president to fulfill their agenda. > > > Obama appears in Redwood City May 23. > https://my.barackobama.com/May23RedwoodCityReception?custom1=4966739 > > I will be there with a big sign that says > > THE AUDACITY OF > WAR CRIMES > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From tnharter at aceweb.com Thu May 3 11:42:48 2012 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 11:42:48 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Green Party Party for the May Fete Parade!] Message-ID: <4FA2D1A8.6060304@aceweb.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Green Party Party for the May Fete Parade! Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 23:58:55 -0700 From: Carol Brouillet To: jules Brouillet , jonathan Fluck , tian Harter Please share this with our friends, Greens, volunteers... Dear friends, volunteers, supporters, We hope you can join us to create a float on Friday afternoon (1 pm- 6pm) or in the morning on Saturday (in downtown Palo Alto - the float needs to be there by 8:15 and then everyone at the staging area by 9:30 am) -- parade begins at 10 am.... It says no give-aways this year... but I think we should be prepared anyway and hopefully we can give away our money, maybe have a table somewhere along the way or at the end, too.... depending on how many we are. The theme of this year's parade, which falls on Cinco de Mayo is- "Palo Alto at Play" We've signed up to have a float entitled the Green Party Party and I think our theme will be changing the rules of the game, but we are open to everyone's ideas, input, creativity, energy, help... and it would be wonderful to get kids or youth involved, so if you have or know any kids who might want to participate please invite them to join us Friday, Saturday or both days. Since, the "game" has been to rob and destroy the planet, we'll be giving away our beautiful new money (3 flavors) and let people know that we CAN change of the rules of the War/Corporate economy, in a way that serves and benefits people and life... We could also add something about the rule changes in the upcoming election and how we can overcome the attempt to eliminate third parties from the November ballot. We are #53 in a lineup of 69 groups... It is a children's parade... and we need to find some kids to help us.... Carol -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: April Peninsula Bike Party had superhero riders. The small leaded glass pyramid is on an Arizona quarter. From tnharter at aceweb.com Fri May 4 01:29:47 2012 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 01:29:47 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Carol Brouillet for Congress! Message-ID: <4FA3937B.4020008@aceweb.com> Last Saturday Fred hosted a very interesting fund raiser for Carol Brouillet! You can see my take on the event here: http://tian.greens.org/GreenParty/CarolBrouillet/28April12/index.html If anybody wants more information on her campaign, let me know where to mail it! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: April Peninsula Bike Party had superhero riders. The small leaded glass pyramid is on an Arizona quarter. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri May 4 10:09:24 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 10:09:24 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Requiem for Corporate Personhood" Message-ID: <4FA40D44.4050505@earthlink.net> Hi, I received an email from MTA (Move to Amend). It includes a pdf flyer. Because attachments don't go through the list. I am including the text of the email, but not the flyer. The flyer is available upon request. Gerry ========= MTA Text ========= Santa Clara County Move to Amend appreciates your endorsement of our kickoff event on Jan. 20, 2012. We have another event coming up. Please note that this event is not a rally. On May 10, 2012, we are putting on a free play "Requiem for Corporate Personhood" in Saint James Park in San Jose, across from the Courthouse. The event will run from noon to 1 pm. We hope your members can pack a lunch, bring a blanket and join us for a picnic and play on this historic day commemorating the anniversary of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad to learn about the surprising twist in the birth of corporate personhood. We would appreciate it if you could spread the word to your members. Attached is a flyer. Thanks for your support and we hope to see you on May 10! ============================= From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sat May 5 03:56:51 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 03:56:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Condi Rice in San Jose Thursday May 3 Message-ID: Condi spoke at the California Theater on 1st Street at 1 pm, followed by Jerry Brown at 3 and Bill Clinton at 5. When I got there at 12:15 there was already a long line of suits to sign in. I set up on the sidewalk with two big signs--one depicting Condi as a playing card, the Queen of Skulls, and the other complaining that she had lied under oath to the 9/11 widows. The California Theater has a big alcove in front with a tile floor and the acoustics were excellent as I lectured the suits about the fact that Condi sat in the Principals Committee that approved torture policies in Spring 2002, several months before John Yoo wrote a bogus fig leaf to try to cover them. I lectured them about the fact that as National Security Adviser Condi was responsible to prevent 9/11, that there had been warnings from 13 foreign countries and 4 FBI offices and the CIA, that a month before 9/11 she got a CIA memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US", and she did nothing. And then she lied about this memo in her sworn testimony to the 9/11 Commission, lying to the faces of the 9/11 widows: Condi claimed the memo was an historical review and not a warning, but in fact the memo warns of preparations for hijackings and planned attacks inside the USA. My sign referenced this short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcrgeuLb3dQ&list=UUCU5Ac7Vd7cqPk074nnKSTw&index=9&feature=plcp When the line had been processed and people were coming in in dribs and drabs, I was able with the excellent acoustics to embed myself in their auditory memory: Why are you honoring a torturer? Do you want to share in her crimes? We used to put torturers in jail and now we put them on stage. 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URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sat May 5 07:08:45 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 07:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Green Party Party for the May Fete Parade!] In-Reply-To: <4FA2D1A8.6060304@aceweb.com> Message-ID: <1336226925.62777.YahooMailClassic@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It's a bit late for me to get there today, but for the benefit of others who have cars, just exactly where is the staging area? --- On Thu, 5/3/12, Tian Harter wrote: From: Tian Harter Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [Fwd: Green Party Party for the May Fete Parade!] To: "Post South SF Bay discus" Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012, 11:42 AM -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Green Party Party for the May Fete Parade! Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 23:58:55 -0700 From: Carol Brouillet To: jules Brouillet , jonathan Fluck , tian Harter Please share this with our friends, Greens, volunteers... Dear friends, volunteers, supporters, We hope you can join us to create a float on Friday afternoon (1 pm- 6pm) or in the morning on Saturday (in downtown Palo Alto - the float needs to be there by 8:15 and then everyone at the staging area by 9:30 am) -- parade begins at 10 am.... It says no give-aways this year... but I think we should be prepared anyway and hopefully we can give away our money, maybe have a table somewhere along the way or at the end, too.... depending on how many we are. The theme of this year's parade, which falls on Cinco de Mayo is- "Palo Alto at Play" We've signed up to have a float entitled the Green Party Party and I think our theme will be changing the rules of the game, but we are open to everyone's ideas, input, creativity, energy, help... and it would be wonderful to get kids or youth involved, so if you have or know any kids who might want to participate please invite them to join us Friday, Saturday or both days. Since, the "game" has been to rob and destroy the planet, we'll be giving away our beautiful new money (3 flavors) and let people know that we CAN change of the rules of the War/Corporate economy, in a way that serves and benefits people and life...? We could also add something about the rule changes in the upcoming election and how we can overcome the attempt to eliminate third parties from the November ballot. We are #53 in a lineup of 69 groups... It is a children's parade... and we need to find some kids to help us.... Carol -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: April Peninsula Bike Party had superhero riders. The small leaded glass pyramid is on an Arizona quarter. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat May 5 12:57:47 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 12:57:47 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Climate Change, Thorium, on Science Friday In-Reply-To: <4FA579FF.9020106@earthlink.net> References: <4FA579FF.9020106@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FA5863B.2030803@earthlink.net> FYI, Yesterday on Science Friday (NPR) they discussed, among other things, climate change, and thorium reactors. The climate change segment was mostly about a recent poll of Americans, which essentially shows growing awareness (and concern?). FWIW, they did use the term "connect the dots". "Gauging Public Opinion on Climate Change Policy" http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201205043 The thorium segment was a "he said, she said" discussion, so of course inconclusive, but did bring up some aspects I had not heard before. "Is Thorium A Magic Bullet For Our Energy Problems?" http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201205044 Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat May 5 12:58:22 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 12:58:22 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Connect the Dots Events In-Reply-To: <4FA57A04.8080206@earthlink.net> References: <4FA57A04.8080206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FA5865E.3040301@earthlink.net> FYI, 350.org is having "connect the dots" events today. Pictures: http://350.org/ http://350.org/en (English) http://www.climatedots.org/ Remaining Events: http://act.climatedots.org/event/impacts_en/search/# Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sun May 6 09:37:59 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 09:37:59 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: It's time to STOP Predatory Payday Lenders and RAISE the Minimum Wage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FA6A8E7.6@prodsyse.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: It's time to STOP Predatory Payday Lenders and RAISE the Minimum Wage! Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:24:54 -0500 From: David Sharples To: David Sharples Friends, It's time to STOP Predatory Payday Lenders and RAISE the Minimum Wage! There are two important city council meetings coming up. Please join us and make your voice heard! 1. Turnout to the San Jose City Council meeting to support passage of an ordinance which would limit the ability of Pay Day Lenders to open new outlets in San Jose! If you are concerned about the proliferation of predatory payday lenders in San Jose and the harm that they are doing to our communities then come out and make your voice heard. When: Tuesday, May 15th at 7pm Where: San Jose City Hall, City Council Chambers, 200 East Santa Clara Street, San Jos?, California What: City Council meeting 2. Turnout to the San Jose City Council meeting to support raising the minimum wage in our city. If passed into law, the minimum wage in San Jose would increase from $8 an hour to $10 an hour, allowing thousands of low wage workers a better opportunity to support themselves and their families. When those low wage workers have more money to spend, the entire local economy will benefit. When: Tuesday, May 22nd at 2pm Where: San Jose City Hall, City Council Chambers, 200 East Santa Clara Street, San Jos?, California What: City Council meeting -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon May 7 12:32:40 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 12:32:40 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] tabling materials and equipment Message-ID: <4FA82358.4010804@sbcglobal.net> Help is needed immediately. Needed: someone to pick up tabling materials and tabling equipment from Caroline before she goes out of town for an extended period. do you have a vehicle, a car, so that you could pick up these materials from Caroline? Either at her home in Sunnyvale or at one of the other events where she will be: the low income self help center Tuesday evening or one of her grandchildren's baseball games at the St Martins school Tuesday afternoon. Contact her at (408) 530-0118 Jim Doyle (408) 269-3299 From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon May 7 12:38:50 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 12:38:50 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] cancelling tabling at Berryessa Art and Wine Festival Message-ID: <4FA824CA.2080700@sbcglobal.net> Can you table at the Berryessa Art ad Wine Festival this coming Saturday, May 12-th? Tablers are needed as is transportation for the tabling materials and the tabling equipment. At the moment it looks like the proper thing to do would be to let the organisers know that we must cancel for this year. Jim Doyle (408) 269-3299 From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue May 8 12:47:51 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 12:47:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Candidate Forum on GP-TV Sat 5/12 Message-ID: <4FA97867.5020102@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gpca-forum] Candidate Forum on GP-TV Sat 5/12 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:38:36 -0700 From: Starlene To: GPCA Forum Watch the Green Party of California Presidential Candidate Forum Saturday, May 12 at starting at 7:30PM - MARK YOUR CALENDARS. Set your alarms. LIVE on GP-TV:http://www.livestream.com/greenpartyus SPEAKING IN PERSON President Candidates: Jill Stein Roseanne Barr Kent Mesplay Talk with other Greens in our live chat room. Please Email, Post & Tweet this announcement! Thank you! Starlene & Craig GP-TV Producers From tnharter at aceweb.com Tue May 8 14:41:58 2012 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 14:41:58 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Carol Brouillet says "change the game!" Message-ID: <4FA99326.6010002@aceweb.com> I love the float Carol Brouillet did for Palo Alto's May Fete Parade: http://tian.greens.org/GreenParty/CarolBrouillet/MayFeteParade/index.html -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: April Peninsula Bike Party had superhero riders. The small leaded glass pyramid is on an Alaska quarter. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue May 8 17:05:21 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:05:21 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] tabling materials Message-ID: <4FA9B4C1.6040105@sbcglobal.net> Spencer has agreed to accept the tabling materials from Caroline who will soon be going out of town for an extended period. Cameron has agreed to provide the transportation of those materials to the Berryessa location in the morning and to pick them up in the evening. Tablers are still needed. This is a call for tablers. Without tablers the Green Party will be a no show at the event. Volunteers are needed for Saturday. The hours of the festival are from 10 am until 5 pm. Your help would be appreciated. Call Jim Doyle at (408) 269-3299 One other item: stakes are needed for the canopy. Stakes are a requirement of the fire marshal. From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Tue May 8 17:09:51 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:09:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] tabling materials In-Reply-To: <4FA9B4C1.6040105@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FA9B4C1.6040105@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FA9B5CF.5060307@prodsyse.com> Spencer has received the tabling materials from Caroline ... . On 5/8/2012 5:05 PM, Jim Doyle wrote: > Spencer has agreed to accept the tabling materials from Caroline > who will soon be going out of town for an extended period. > > Cameron has agreed to provide the transportation of those > materials to the Berryessa location in the morning and to pick them > up in the evening. > > Tablers are still needed. This is a call for tablers. > Without tablers the Green Party will be a no show at the event. > Volunteers are needed for Saturday. The hours of the festival > are from 10 am until 5 pm. > Your help would be appreciated. > Call Jim Doyle at (408) 269-3299 > > One other item: stakes are needed for the canopy. > Stakes are a requirement of the fire marshal. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue May 8 19:39:03 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 19:39:03 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: A wedding on the Courthouse steps in Redwood City! In-Reply-To: <1336501272.22040.YahooMailClassic@web160802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1336501272.22040.YahooMailClassic@web160802.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FA9D8C7.9080803@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: A wedding on the Courthouse steps in Redwood City! Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:21:12 -0700 (PDT) To: Occupy RWC You're invited to a wedding: a beautiful bride is going to marry a Corporate Person, Bank of America specifically, on Wednesday, May 9th, at 12:00 noon on the Courthouse steps in Redwood City. It promises to be a fun-filled party, joining a real person bride with a Person who will provide for her forever (since "he" lives forever). Co-sponsored by Move To Amend and the Mid-Peninsula American Dream Council, it's an event you won't want to miss! /********************** "Just as nightfall doesn't come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of the change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." --- Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas / From wrolley at charter.net Tue May 8 21:14:46 2012 From: wrolley at charter.net (Wes Rolley) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 21:14:46 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] EVs Message-ID: <4FA9EF36.1010702@charter.net> From Union of Concerned Scientists. .. > Whenever we talk about the great potential of electric vehicles (EVs) > to reduce our oil use, rein in global warming emissions, and save > consumers money at the pump, we always get the same question: how much > will these vehicles really reduce emissions if they're often plugged > into electrical outlets that draw their power from dirty sources? Well > now we know---a new UCS report finds that not only do EVs produce > fewer emissions than average new compact gasoline powered cars, but > nearly half of the U.S. population lives in a region where driving on > electricity results in fewer emissions than even the best hybrids! > Check out all the details and see how your region stacks up in our > /State of Charge/ report > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed May 9 08:53:51 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 08:53:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpsmc-d] *Thursday Debate Invitation* Message-ID: <4FAA930F.5020805@earthlink.net> If this was already on this list, then I missed it. Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gpsmc-d] *Thursday Debate Invitation* Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:20:06 -0700 From: Sanda Everette To: GPSMC-D The announcement below was sent to us in a large file html format that we cannot use on the list. I asked the sender to resend it as text, but since this is so important and is time sensitive, I am sending it on their behalf Dear friends, *Thursday Debate Invitation* You are cordially invited to join us for the California Congressional District 18 Forum this Thursday, May 10th, at the Los Gatos Civic Center, 110 E Main St, Los Gatos, from 7pm to 8pm. Forum participants include candidates Democratic Congresswoman Anna Eshoo, Green Carol Brouillet, Republican Dave Chapman, and Democrat William Parks. Decide who can best represent you in DC! Event Contact~ Josie Geisen at 408-354-8516 Sponsored by the League of Women Voters of Southwest Santa Clara Valley *Wednesday Town Hall Invitation* Join us for A Town Hall with Carol Brouillet: Exploring Vital Issues for Democracy. Come on Wednesday, May 16th, to the Cambrian Branch Library, 1780 Hillsdale Ave, San Jose. The reception will begin at 6:30pm, and the town hall at 7:00pm. Join Carol to decide which priorities government should put first and meet the candidate. Event Coordinator~ Jules at 650-308-4396 Sponsored by the Green Party of Santa Clara County *Opportunities to Volunteer for Carol Brouillet* Saturday, May 12th, we will be tabling 9am-1pm at the Palo Alto Farmers' Market (Hamilton Ave at Gilman St.) Sunday, May 13th, we will be tabling 9am-1pm at the Mountain View Farmers' Market, 600 West Evelyn Avenue, adjacent to the Mountain View Caltrain We will be canvassing and phonebanking every day between now and the June 5th election. Contact us to get involved! Jules & Jonathan Carol Brouillet for Congress www.carol4congress.org 650-308-4396 Sanda Everette, GPCA delegation to GPUS, GPCA Coordinating Committee How can what's already rotten be spoiled? (Nader 2000, Frank Young, WV, 2012) "The politics of fear have brought us everything we were afraid of." (Dr. Jill Stein, 2012)* * From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed May 9 09:52:33 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 09:52:33 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpsmc-d] *Thursday Debate Invitation* In-Reply-To: <4FAA930F.5020805@earthlink.net> References: <4FAA930F.5020805@earthlink.net> Message-ID: If Anna Eshoo actually shows up to meet her challengers, this will be a first AFAIK. Anna gets 70% of her campaign contribs from outside her district and 50% from outside the state. That's about all we need to know about Anna. http://maplight.org/us-congress/legislator/235-anna-eshoo > Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:53:51 -0700 > From: gerrygras at earthlink.net > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpsmc-d] *Thursday Debate Invitation* > > > If this was already on this list, then I missed it. > > Gerry > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [gpsmc-d] *Thursday Debate Invitation* > Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:20:06 -0700 > From: Sanda Everette > To: GPSMC-D > > > > The announcement below was sent to us in a large file html format that > we cannot use on the list. I asked the sender to resend it as text, but > since this is so important and is time sensitive, I am sending it on > their behalf > > Dear friends, > > *Thursday Debate Invitation* > > You are cordially invited to join us for the California Congressional > District 18 Forum this Thursday, May 10th, at the Los Gatos Civic Center, > 110 E Main St, Los Gatos, from 7pm to 8pm. Forum participants include > candidates Democratic Congresswoman Anna Eshoo, Green Carol Brouillet, > Republican Dave Chapman, and Democrat William Parks. Decide who can best > represent you in DC! > > Event Contact~ Josie Geisen at 408-354-8516 > > Sponsored by the League of Women Voters of Southwest Santa Clara Valley > > *Wednesday Town Hall Invitation* > > Join us for A Town Hall with Carol Brouillet: Exploring Vital Issues > for Democracy. Come on Wednesday, May 16th, to the Cambrian Branch Library, > 1780 Hillsdale Ave, San Jose. The reception will begin at 6:30pm, and > the town hall at 7:00pm. Join Carol to decide which priorities government > should put first and meet the candidate. > > Event Coordinator~ Jules at 650-308-4396 > > Sponsored by the Green Party of Santa Clara County > > *Opportunities to Volunteer for Carol Brouillet* > > Saturday, May 12th, we will be tabling 9am-1pm at the Palo Alto Farmers' > Market (Hamilton Ave at Gilman St.) > > Sunday, May 13th, we will be tabling 9am-1pm at the Mountain View Farmers' > Market, 600 West Evelyn Avenue, adjacent to the Mountain View Caltrain > > We will be canvassing and phonebanking every day between now and the June > 5th election. Contact us to get involved! > > Jules & Jonathan > Carol Brouillet for Congress > www.carol4congress.org > 650-308-4396 > > Sanda Everette, GPCA delegation to GPUS, GPCA Coordinating Committee > How can what's already rotten be spoiled? (Nader 2000, Frank Young, WV, > 2012) > "The politics of fear have brought us everything we were afraid of." > (Dr. Jill Stein, 2012)* > * > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WB4D23 at aol.com Wed May 9 20:56:23 2012 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 23:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Attention Plenary Delegates/Alternates Message-ID: <25408.24fcc626.3cdc9667@aol.com> May 9, 2012 This is a reminder that the GPCA General Assembly of Delegates is being held in San Francisco this weekend. The GPUS presidential candidates forum is Saturday evening (separate event at a separate location). Go to cagreens.org/ga and follow the links on the left side column starting with the 2012 GA. At our April general membership meeting we affirmed three delegates and three alternates. Spencer Graves has advised that he will be unable to attend, so that puts us at two delegates (Warner and Tian) and three alternates (Caroline/Sunday only), Drew and ___________. GPSCCers going to the Plenary should look at the draft agenda. If possible print or take a close look at the proposed Bylaws amendments and Platform proposals on the agenda for Sunday. I have made arrangements for a ride to and from on Saturday. I need to know if anyone going Sunday can provide a ride. Warner (408-295-9353) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu May 10 09:52:30 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:52:30 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NYT op ed on climate change In-Reply-To: <4FABF17A.8080809@earthlink.net> References: <4FABF17A.8080809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FABF24E.8040707@earthlink.net> James Hansen has written a New York Times op ed on climate change. It's a strong statement. Good opportunity to write to congress people and news editors. "Game Over for the Climate" "The science of the situation is clear ? it?s time for the politics to follow" http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/05/10-2 It includes a fee and dividend approach. Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu May 10 12:40:16 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:40:16 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NYT op ed on climate change In-Reply-To: <4FABF24E.8040707@earthlink.net> References: <4FABF17A.8080809@earthlink.net> <4FABF24E.8040707@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FAC19A0.6050003@earthlink.net> Oops, I wish I had seen this earlier: "Senator, Environmental Groups Call to End Fossil Fuel Subsidies" http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/05/10-2 Gerry Gerry Gras wrote: > > James Hansen has written a New York Times > op ed on climate change. It's a strong > statement. Good opportunity to write > to congress people and news editors. > > "Game Over for the Climate" > "The science of the situation is clear ? it?s time for the politics to > follow" > > http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/05/10-2 > > It includes a fee and dividend approach. > > Gerry From paulrea at sbcglobal.net Wed May 9 13:12:32 2012 From: paulrea at sbcglobal.net (Paul Rea) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 13:12:32 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Three 9/11 Speakers Featured on KPFA Morning Mix This Friday!! Message-ID: <4FAACFB0.1020002@sbcglobal.net> *Greetings, Fellow Change Agents ~ 9/11 Speakers Featured on KPFA Morning Mix This Friday!! * *This Friday May 11, at 8 am, Professors Peter Phillips and Mickey Huff will host activist Carol Brouillet, Richard Gage, AIA, and Paul W. Rea, PhD. Richard will be talking about the much-awaited final version of AE's new film, /9/11: Explosive Evidence - The Experts Speak Out/. Paul will indicate how we can deconstruct the War on Terror, the construct which still enables repression at home and aggression abroad. As premiums, the station will offer Richard's new film and Paul's comprehensive book, /Mounting Evidence/. Do listen in and consider supporting KPFA and our 9/11 efforts. Many thanks!! ~ Paul *// -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu May 10 17:46:12 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:46:12 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Dr. Stein visiting California this week- Join her in the Bay Area this weekend! In-Reply-To: <4fac35a443dd7_555111fa92c693bd@app3.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <4fac35a443dd7_555111fa92c693bd@app3.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <4FAC6154.2090406@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Dr. Stein visiting California this week- Join her in the Bay Area this weekend! Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:39:48 +0000 From: Jill Stein for President To: Gerald Grass Hello Jill Stein for President supporters of California! We are excited to announce that after spending the beginning of the week in Eureka and Arcata, Jill Stein will be visiting the Bay area from May 11^th to 14^th . This will provide a great opportunity for Green Party members to meet and learn more about Jill Stein and her Green New Deal. Check out the details of the upcoming events below! Also, she's being interviewed by reporters and talk show hosts all over the state - for TV, radio, and print media - so keep your eyes peeled for coverage of Jill Stein for President in your area! We really hope you can join Dr. Stein this weekend in San Francisco! * Solidarity from campaign HQ in Wisconsin-* * Jill Stein for President campaign staff* P.S. Jill's birthday is this upcoming Monday, May 14th, and we will be announcing the address for her party this weekend. We'd love it if you could make it out to say good luck, thank you, and happy birthday to Jill this Monday evening. Greens around the country will be skyping in to sing Happy Birthday as a surprise- get in on the action by clicking here . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Stein will appear at the following events: *Sacramento Green Party Candidate Forum* *Date:* May 11^th , 2012 at 6:00 PM *Location: *Sacramento State University Union 6000 J St 2nd Floor, Orchard Suite Sacramento, CA 95819** *Information:* Come hear Dr. Jill Stein, candidate for the nomination for President with the Green Party of the United States. Laura Wells, former Green Party of California Governor Candidate. Gary Blenner is running for the Sacramento Board of Supervisors (District 4). Jeff Kravitz is running for the Sacramento Board of Supervisors (District 3). Green Party of California Plenary *Date:* May 12, 2012 at 10:00 AM - May 13, 2012 at 7:00 PM *Location:* San Francisco Labor Temple 2948 16th St San Francisco, CA 94103 *Information:* The Green Party of California Plenary will be taking place May 12 -13! Come hear from the presidential candidates to determine California's nominee for the June primary. Dr. Stein will be there to engage in discussions, answer questions, and share her Green New Deal, the strong agenda that America needs. Green Party Presidential Candidate Forum *Date:* May 12, 2012 at 7:30 PM *Location:* Victoria Theatre 2961 16th St San Francisco, CA 94103 *Information:* Presidential candidates Jill Stein, Roseanne Barr, and Kent Mesplay will face-off the evening of May 12 as Greens all across California are getting ready to go to the polls and vote. Cost: $10 - 20 sliding scale; no one will be turned away for lack of funds. Tickets available here https://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/may_12_donate Free seats will be set aside for media covering the forum. Contact June Brashares at 415-425-3733 to reserve your place. The forum will be livestreamed at http://www.livestream.com/greenpartyus -=-=- Jill Stein for President ? This email was sent to gerrygras at earthlink.net. To stop receiving emails, click here . You can also keep up with Jill Stein for President on Twitter or Facebook . -=-=- Created with NationBuilder , the essential toolkit for leaders. From alexcathy at aol.com Thu May 10 19:38:52 2012 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] $40,000-a-ticket Fundraiser for Obama Here Message-ID: <8CEFD3656883A25-23E4-6CC88@webmail-m015.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends, Sometimes I have imagined myself as a newspaper columnist. In the column linked to below, Steve Lopez of the Los Angeles Timeshas written something very close to what I would like to write about the $40,000-a-ticket dinner for "The First Black President" atGeorge Clooney's mansion in the San Fernando Valley tonight. Please. Go to my blog and leave a comment -- whether you love it or hate it orjust plain indifferent. Alex Walker LA Greens = = = = = = = = = = = Re-Posted to California Greening on the Los Angeles Times, May 10, 2012 Clooney's Obama Party Full of 'Hollywood Hypocrites' By Steve Lopez They say tonight's soiree for President Obama at George Clooney's house in Studio City is supposed to gross $15 million, and the operative word is "gross." Yeah, pardon me for being such a party pooper, but isn't it a little offensive that 150 of L.A.'s high rollers would shell out $40,000 to kiss Clooney's ring and get maybe 10 seconds of face time with Obama? ... Los Angeles is shutting school libraries, laying off teachers and shutting down fire houses. And VIPs are paying $40,000 for a Wolfgang Puck hors d'oeuvre and a silly photo with a president who only now has come to think it might be OK for gay people to have the same rights as straight people. Open your eyes, Hollywood hypocrites! ... Please Read the Full Text and Leave a Comment at my blog: California Greening: http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2012/05/la-times-steve-lopez-obamas-hollywood.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex Walker LA Greens = = = = = = = = = = = Re-Posted to California Greening on the Los Angeles Times, May 10, 2012 Clooney's Obama Party Full of 'Hollywood Hypocrites' By Steve Lopez They say tonight's soiree for President Obama at George Clooney's house in Studio City is supposed to gross $15 million, and the operative word is "gross." Yeah, pardon me for being such a party pooper, but isn't it a little offensive that 150 of L.A.'s high rollers would shell out $40,000 to kiss Clooney's ring and get maybe 10 seconds of face time with Obama? ... Los Angeles is shutting school libraries, laying off teachers and shutting down fire houses. And VIPs are paying $40,000 for a Wolfgang Puck hors d'oeuvre and a silly photo with a president who only now has come to think it might be OK for gay people to have the same rights as straight people. Open your eyes, Hollywood hypocrites! ... 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In the > column linked to below, Steve Lopez of the Los Angeles Times has > written something very close to what I would like to write about the > $40,000-a-ticket dinner for "The First Black President" at George > Clooney's mansion in the San Fernando Valley tonight. > > Please. Go to my blog and leave a comment -- whether you love it or > hate it or just plain indifferent. > > Alex Walker > LA Greens > > = = = = = = = = = = = > Re-Posted to California Greening on the Los Angeles Times, May 10, > 2012 > Clooney's Obama Party Full of 'Hollywood Hypocrites' > By Steve Lopez > > They say tonight's soiree for President Obama at George Clooney's > house in Studio City is supposed to gross $15 million, and the > operative word is "gross." > Yeah, pardon me for being such a party pooper, but isn't it a little > offensive that 150 of L.A.'s high rollers would shell out $40,000 to > kiss Clooney's ring and get maybe 10 seconds of face time with Obama? > ... > Los Angeles is shutting school libraries, laying off teachers and > shutting down fire houses. And VIPs are paying $40,000 for a > Wolfgang Puck hors d'oeuvre and a silly photo with a president who > only now has come to think it might be OK for gay people to have the > same rights as straight people. > Open your eyes, Hollywood hypocrites! > ... > > Please Read the Full Text and Leave a Comment at my blog: > > California Greening: > http://cagreening.blogspot.com/2012/05/la-times-steve-lopez-obamas-hollywood.html > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredlois2 at gmail.com Thu May 10 23:56:57 2012 From: fredlois2 at gmail.com (fred Duperrault) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:56:57 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] NYT op ed on climate change In-Reply-To: <4FAC19A0.6050003@earthlink.net> References: <4FABF17A.8080809@earthlink.net> <4FABF24E.8040707@earthlink.net> <4FAC19A0.6050003@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <98BD3630-6B15-4FF7-B61B-908D5BF1FF25@gmail.com> On May 10, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > > Oops, I wish I had seen this earlier: > > "Senator, Environmental Groups Call to End Fossil Fuel Subsidies" > http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/05/10-2 > > Gerry > > > Gerry Gras wrote: >> >> James Hansen has written a New York Times >> op ed on climate change. It's a strong >> statement. Good opportunity to write >> to congress people and news editors. >> >> "Game Over for the Climate" >> "The science of the situation is clear ? it?s time for the politics >> to >> follow" >> >> http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/05/10-2 >> >> It includes a fee and dividend approach. >> >> Gerry > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri May 11 12:46:00 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 12:46:00 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Downloading Agenda Message-ID: <4FAD6C78.9050701@earthlink.net> Hi, as alternate, I am finally getting around to looking at the plenary agenda. As before, some of it requires user name / password. Can someone send it to me, NOT to the list! Or call me at 650-424-0842 or 408-22-EARTH? Thanks, Gerry From vdf at juno.com Sat May 12 19:47:23 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 02:47:23 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Presidential debate to start any minute now on GreenStream Message-ID: <20120512.194723.18630.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Hi folks, If, like me, you couldn't go to San Francisco today but have some time to watch now or in the next couple of hours, the presidential debate should start soon at: http://www.livestream.com/greenpartyus Valerie ~*~*~*~ http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/18744140/ca-bay-area-bobcat-connectivity-project The Bay Area Bobcat Connectivity Project will look at how human development and habitat fragmentation affects bobcat populations, population status, mortality factors, and health, all of which have NOT been evaluated in the region. They're trying to raise $20,000 by Saturday, June 23 to make this study happen. Can you help? http://ow.ly/aDdA7 ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4faf210a104b61172d9fst06vuc From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon May 14 09:06:43 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 09:06:43 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Jill on KPFA at 10 today In-Reply-To: <326D33F6-C50D-43A1-8398-45E6436F8707@gmail.com> References: <326D33F6-C50D-43A1-8398-45E6436F8707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FB12D93.1060700@earthlink.net> I assume that Jill is Jill Stein, one of our presidential candidates. I also assume that this can be heard at kpfa.org. Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gpca-forum] Jill on KPFA at 10 today Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 07:59:14 -0700 Pacifica's Mitch Jeserich hosts ???Letters & Politics,??? a look at burning political issues and debates, and their historical context, within the US and worldwide. Sanda Writing from tiny communication device -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ gpca-forum mailing list gpca-forum at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Tue May 15 20:20:49 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Odd occurrence today, should I watch my back? In-Reply-To: <4FB12D93.1060700@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1337138449.10118.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I had something very suspicious happen to me today.? I was walking to Lucky's from my residence and when I was walking back home I saw that someone had just now run up over the curb, knocking over a street sign which was now splayed across the?sidewalk. This happened in broad daylight at about 7PM.?The vehicle involved was nowhere to be seen.? This is suspicious because this is the only time something like this has happened in the 1.5 years I have been living here.? And just hours before, I was sending e-mails, putting the finishing touches on a deal with a newspaper rack manufacturer to deliver 4 newsracks for my Peacemovies.com newsletter project. The delivery date for those was going to be?late July, assuming I ordered them on June 20th.? Now after this incident, plus the fact that shipping is going to be an arm and a leg and the boxes are likely to be very large, and I'm not sure about my ability to save up money for this project (I'm in the habit of spending here and there on stupid stuff), I have decided to order just one rack this week, for delivery by July 4, 2012.? The theme of the July newsletter will be a declaration of independence from the Internet/decolonize the Internet. ? ? Watch my back for me would you all please?? Thanks. ? Sincerely, ? John Thielking -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed May 16 08:45:31 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:45:31 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Testing 1, 2, 3 ... Message-ID: <4FB3CB9B.6020102@earthlink.net> Just a test. Gerry From fredlois2 at gmail.com Wed May 16 17:14:27 2012 From: fredlois2 at gmail.com (fred Duperrault) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:14:27 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Message-ID: <9E773034-63FE-4209-98B8-DBE508C761AD@gmail.com> Today the House Of Representatives passed the National Defense Authorization Act that would allow the President to detain anyone without authorization, according to my interpretation. The Democrats' votes were split, 93 "Ayes to 93 "Nays." The Republicans voted 190 "Ayes" and 43 "Nays." It appears to me that if all of the Democrats had voted "Nay," the bill would still have passed. Eshoo, Lofgren, Spier Honda, Stark and Farr voted "Nay." Nancy Pelosi Voted "Aye." From the" FHD Newsroom." Fred D. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed May 16 17:20:53 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:20:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Message-ID: <4FB44465.3010103@sbcglobal.net> this is the first call for agenda items please post your suggested agenda items to this list thank you From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Thu May 17 18:07:18 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:07:18 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] 2-nd call for agenda items Message-ID: <4FB5A0C6.1050009@sbcglobal.net> Warner has submitted plenary report(s). What else do you want to have on the agenda for next Thursday? It is only one week away. Jim Doyle From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Thu May 17 21:54:14 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:54:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item Message-ID: <4FB5D5F6.70408@sbcglobal.net> Proposal to modify the bylaws. Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General County Meeting. to 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. ------------ The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer are spelled out in the next sentence of the bylaws which remains unchanged The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements of the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). Jim Doyle From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Thu May 17 22:05:49 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:05:49 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] an agenda item for next Thursday Message-ID: <4FB5D8AD.6060603@sbcglobal.net> reports from the campaign trail From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Thu May 17 22:06:05 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:06:05 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Agenda for next Thursday Message-ID: <4FB5D8BD.8070200@sbcglobal.net> Plenary reports Tabling movie night appointing John T. to county council changing bylaws re county council appointments reports from the campaiggn trail additional items may still be submitted From palmheaven at gmail.com Thu May 17 22:51:26 2012 From: palmheaven at gmail.com (Sustainable Handyman) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:51:26 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item - presentation about Transformative Journey this summer Message-ID: Hey, Green Party, am I sending this to the right place? Are y'all coming to a monthly meeting next Thurs that I can come to and give my pitch?? Sorry I do not come to many meetings, I am more an action guy than meeting guy. But you know me, from tabling and such. Well, my wife has given me a two month sabbatical from family responsibilities and I am off to stir up some fun for the months of June and July. I am working on creating a cross-country barnstorming tour for MoveToAmend, via the Rainbow Gathering, to the OCCYPY NATIONAL GATHERING in Philly June 30-July 4 Yes, I know it is not Green Party business, it is just me asking for some donations to a wonderful cause, at the right place at the right time, I was hoping it would resonate with you personally, and maybe one of you wants to come along! Check out the links https://www.wepay.com/events/transformative-journey https://www.wepay.com/donations/move-to-amend-barnstorming-tour-to-occupy-national-gathering http://www.occupycaravan.webs.com/ http://www.occupynationalgathering.com/ Roy III -- Retired Greenbuilder CA General Contractor B #756438 - inactive -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 11:24:33 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:24:33 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Pages Message-ID: <4FB693E1.7030301@sbcglobal.net> How many of the prior issue do we have left? I have received this notice via email: The spring 2012 issue is now available: Spring 2012 Green Pages Available for Purchase The Spring 2012 issue of Green Pages, our national newspaper, s now available! Click here to purchase a bundle of 100 issues , or here for a bundle of 50. The latest edition includes stories on our 2012 Presidential candidates, continued Green Party support for the Occupy movement, and an analysis of how Greens run successful campaigns and influence their communities once in office. Click here to order the latest issue today! From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri May 18 15:48:52 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 15:48:52 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Pages In-Reply-To: <4FB693E1.7030301@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FB693E1.7030301@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FB6D1D4.5090408@prodsyse.com> On 5/18/2012 11:24 AM, Jim Doyle wrote: > How many of the prior issue do we have left? We have 25 copies of the Spring 2011 issue of Green Pages. I did not find any other Green Pages in the material Caroline gave me to store in my garage. Spencer > > I have received this notice via email: > The spring 2012 issue is now available: > > Spring 2012 Green Pages Available for Purchase > > The Spring 2012 issue of Green Pages, our national newspaper, > s now available! Click here to purchase a bundle of 100 issues > , > > or here for a bundle of 50. > > > The latest edition includes stories on our 2012 Presidential candidates, > continued Green Party support for the Occupy movement, and an > analysis of how Greens run successful campaigns and influence their > communities once in office. > > Click here to order the latest issue today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri May 18 16:00:04 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:00:04 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sunday: Climate Change Forum In-Reply-To: <4FB6D3F5.7020001@earthlink.net> References: <4FB6D3F5.7020001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FB6D474.6020500@earthlink.net> FYI, this Sunday, May 20th, at 11:00 AM the Humanist Community forum (Palo Alto) will be about climate change: http://humanists.org/forum.htm ==== May 20: The Climate Literacy Imperative: Toward an Adult Conversation About Climate and Energy Mark McCaffrey from the National Center for Science Education (NCSE) will discuss NCSE's just-initiated efforts to promote climate change education via resources that it has developed in the areas of "Climate Change 101", "Teaching Climate Change", "Climate Change Denial", and "Taking Action". (See http://ncse.com/climate) Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri May 18 19:42:21 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:42:21 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "A Victory for All of Us" Message-ID: <4FB7088D.5090400@earthlink.net> Chris Hedges (and others) won their suit in court against the NDAA. (The government has 60 days to appeal.) http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/a_victory_for_all_of_us_20120518/ Gerry From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sat May 19 15:01:24 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 15:01:24 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The NDAA's section 1021 coup d'etat foiled Message-ID: By Naomi Wolf Excerpts: US district judge Katherine Forrest, in New York City's eastern district, found that section 1021 ? the key section of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) ? which had been rushed into law amid secrecy and in haste on New Year's Eve 2011, bestowing on any president the power to detain US citizens indefinitely, without charge or trial, "facially unconstitutional". Forrest concluded that the law does indeed have, as the journalists and peaceful activists who brought the lawsuit against the president and Leon Panetta have argued, a "chilling impact on first amendment rights". Her ruling enjoins that section of the NDAA from becoming law. [Plantiffs include] Chris Hedges of the Nation Institute, editor Jennifer Bolen of RevolutionTruth, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, co-founder of Occupy London Kai Wargalla, Days of Rage editor Alexa O'Brien, and the Icelandic parliamentarian and WikiLeaks activist Birgitta J?nsd?ttir. [Judge Forrest notes that under section 1021] "An individual could run the risk of substantially supporting or directly supporting [a terrorist-] associated force without even being aware that he or she was doing so." What truly disturbed me in that courtroom was the terrible fragility of all the checks to power that are supposed to be in place to protect us against such assaults on democracy. Many senators, including my own, Chuck Schumer, had sent out letters to their own worried constituents flat-out denying our fears about what section 1021 does. No major news media organisations attended the original hearing (except Paul Harris of the Guardian and Observer). The trial and the NDAA itself have been so inadequately reported by mainstream outlets that I keep running into senior editors and lawyers who have never heard of it. This darkness is so dangerous not least because a new Department of Homeland Security document trove, released in response to a FOIA request filed by Michael Moore and the National Lawyers' Guild, proves in exhaustive detail that the DHS and its "fusion centers" coordinated with local police (as I argued here, to initial disbelief), the violent crackdown against Occupy last fall. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/may/17/ndaa-section-1021-coup-detat-foiled -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General County Meeting. to 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. ------------ The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer are spelled out in the next sentence of the bylaws which remains unchanged The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements of the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). Jim Doyle From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sun May 20 08:58:33 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 08:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The NDAA's section 1021 coup d'etat foiled In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1337529513.5255.YahooMailClassic@web111107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well this is good as far as it goes.? Unfortunately the House just now passed NDAA 2013 that includes indefinite detention provisions. So the question is, if this new bill becomes law, will Hedges et al have to start from scratch? ? John Thielking --- On Sat, 5/19/12, Brian Good wrote: From: Brian Good Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The NDAA's section 1021 coup d'etat foiled To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Saturday, May 19, 2012, 3:01 PM By Naomi Wolf Excerpts: US district judge Katherine Forrest, in New York City's eastern district, found that section 1021 ? the key section of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) ? which had been rushed into law amid secrecy and in haste on New Year's Eve 2011, bestowing on any president the power to detain US citizens indefinitely, without charge or trial, "facially unconstitutional". Forrest concluded that the law does indeed have, as the journalists and peaceful activists who brought the lawsuit against the president and Leon Panetta have argued, a "chilling impact on first amendment rights". Her ruling enjoins that section of the NDAA from becoming law. [Plantiffs include] Chris Hedges of the Nation Institute, editor Jennifer Bolen of RevolutionTruth, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, co-founder of Occupy London Kai Wargalla, Days of Rage editor Alexa O'Brien, and the Icelandic parliamentarian and WikiLeaks activist Birgitta J?nsd?ttir. [Judge Forrest notes that under section 1021]? "An individual could run the risk of substantially supporting or directly supporting [a terrorist-] associated force without even being aware that he or she was doing so." What truly disturbed me in that courtroom was the terrible fragility of all the checks to power that are supposed to be in place to protect us against such assaults on democracy. Many senators, including my own, Chuck Schumer, had sent out letters to their own worried constituents flat-out denying our fears about what section 1021 does. No major news media organisations attended the original hearing (except Paul Harris of the Guardian and Observer). The trial and the NDAA itself have been so inadequately reported by mainstream outlets that I keep running into senior editors and lawyers who have never heard of it. This darkness is so dangerous not least because a new Department of Homeland Security document trove, released in response to a FOIA request filed by Michael Moore and the National Lawyers' Guild, proves in exhaustive detail that the DHS and its "fusion centers" coordinated with local police (as I argued here, to initial disbelief), the violent crackdown against Occupy last fall. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/may/17/ndaa-section-1021-coup-detat-foiled -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sun May 20 11:46:17 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 11:46:17 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Pages In-Reply-To: <4FB693E1.7030301@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FB693E1.7030301@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FB93BF9.60803@prodsyse.com> Proposed agenda item for this Thursday: * We order (at least) 50 copies of each issue of the Green Pages. They're 30 cents each, $15 for a bundle of 50 plus shipping. If we have any left over (as now) when the new bundle arrives, we dump them. If we can't get rid of 50 charging for them when tabling, we give them away. I think it's not good for our image to distribute obviously stale dated material, and $15 plus shipping is something we should be able to afford to treat this way. Spencer On 5/18/2012 11:24 AM, Jim Doyle wrote: > How many of the prior issue do we have left? We have 25 copies of the Spring 2011 issue of Green Pages. I did not find any other Green Pages in the material Caroline gave me to store in my garage. Spencer > > I have received this notice via email: > The spring 2012 issue is now available: > > Spring 2012 Green Pages Available for Purchase > > The Spring 2012 issue of Green Pages, our national newspaper, > s now available! Click here to purchase a bundle of 100 issues > , > > or here for a bundle of 50. > > > The latest edition includes stories on our 2012 Presidential candidates, > continued Green Party support for the Occupy movement, and an > analysis of how Greens run successful campaigns and influence their > communities once in office. > > Click here to order the latest issue today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sun May 20 16:02:15 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 16:02:15 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Billion-Year-Old Methane Released by Melting Ice Message-ID: 150,000 methane seeps in Alaska and Greenland identified. Methane (CH4) is second to carbon dioxide (C02) as a greenhouse gas. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18120093 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sun May 20 19:04:37 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 19:04:37 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items Message-ID: <4FB9A2B5.6050002@sbcglobal.net> This is a call for any additional agenda items for the next meeting on Thursday. Post your sugestions to this list. Thanks, Jim Doyle So far we have these topics Plenary reports Tabling movie night appointing John T. to county council changing bylaws re county council appointments reports from the campaiggn trail Green Pages - order more 1) county council duties and responsibilities 2) electioneering - gotv, candidate support, precinct walking, etc. additional items may still be submitted Here is a repeat of an earlier item. This is a specific proposal repeated here to aid you in preparing for the meeting. Proposal to modify the bylaws. Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General County Meeting. to 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. ------------ The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer are spelled out in the next sentence of the bylaws which remains unchanged The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements of the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). Jim Doyle From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon May 21 14:45:11 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:45:11 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] voter list Message-ID: <4FBAB767.5000602@sbcglobal.net> I have requested the current countywide voter list from the Registrar of Voters. It will be ready in 1 to 3 days. Jim Doyle From snug.bug at hotmail.com Mon May 21 22:32:21 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:32:21 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] May 24: Debunking the War on Terror That Washington Still Wants to Wage Message-ID: Friendly Favors and the Mt. Diablo Peace & Justice Center Present . . . Thursday May 24: Potluck with chardonnay starting at 6:00 PM at the Peace Center in Walnut Creek. Talk begins just after 7:00 PM with Q & A to follow ~ $20 Donation Requested, No One Turned Away. In Mounting Evidence, PAUL W. REA, PhD, delivers an impressively-researched critique of the 9/11 Commission and debunks the War on Terror. This is a potluck followed by an interactive presentation by a former St. Mary?s professor who spent six years analyzing the evidence. Dr. Rea's presentation will deconstruct the War on Terror ? a flimsy house of cards if ever there were one ? and thus will deny the Pentagon its pretext for endless wars ? that is, for repression at home and aggression abroad. Signed copies of Mounting Evidence will be available at special prices. Location: Mt. Diablo Peace and Justice Center ~ 55 Eckley Lane, Walnut Creek CA 94596 ~ (925) 933-7850 ~ www.mtdpc.org & www.mountingevidence.org Please RSVP and find all additional event listings on the Events page at favors.org: http://tinyurl.com/FavorsEvents -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WB4D23 at aol.com Tue May 22 09:59:56 2012 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Thursday Meeting Agenda Item -- Take over state party merchandise distribution? Message-ID: <1ffc8.315c1b32.3ced200c@aol.com> May 22, 2012 In speaking with Michael Borenstein last night, it sounds like the GP of Sacramento County may not be up to taking over the responsibilities to hold and distribute GPCA merchandise. I request that this be put on our GPSCC monthly meeting agenda this Thursday evening. 10 minutes. Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Tue May 22 11:00:16 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items In-Reply-To: <4FB9A2B5.6050002@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1337709616.37575.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> According to my e-mail records, the last e-mail I sent to RB of the Peace and Freedom Party Central Committee was sent on August 13, 2011, where I stated that I would be officially joining the Green Party at the next monthly meeting.? So I would say that I registered Green sometime between August 13, 2011 and August 25, 2011 or so.?I know for sure that I sent in my registration form before the monthly meeting in August 2011.?Thanks. ? Sincerely, ? John Thielking --- On Sun, 5/20/12, Jim Doyle wrote: From: Jim Doyle Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items To: "sosfbay discussion group" Date: Sunday, May 20, 2012, 7:04 PM This is a call for any additional agenda items for the next meeting on Thursday. Post your sugestions to this list. Thanks, Jim Doyle So far we have these topics Plenary reports Tabling movie night appointing John T. to county council changing bylaws re county council appointments reports from the campaiggn trail Green Pages - order more 1) county council duties and responsibilities 2) electioneering - gotv, candidate support, precinct walking, etc. additional items may still be submitted Here is a repeat? of an earlier item. This is a specific proposal repeated here to aid you in preparing for the meeting. Proposal to modify the bylaws. Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General County Meeting. to 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. ------------ The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer are spelled out in the next sentence of the bylaws which remains unchanged The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements of the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). Jim Doyle _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Tue May 22 11:09:16 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:09:16 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items In-Reply-To: <1337709616.37575.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1337709616.37575.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FBBD64C.7050305@prodsyse.com> For Thursday's agenda: "Foreclosure Event". Spencer On 5/22/2012 11:00 AM, John Thielking wrote: > According to my e-mail records, the last e-mail I sent to RB of the > Peace and Freedom Party Central Committee was sent on August 13, 2011, > where I stated that I would be officially joining the Green Party at > the next monthly meeting. So I would say that I registered Green > sometime between August 13, 2011 and August 25, 2011 or so. I know for > sure that I sent in my registration form before the monthly meeting in > August 2011. Thanks. > Sincerely, > John Thielking > > --- On *Sun, 5/20/12, Jim Doyle //* wrote: > > > From: Jim Doyle > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items > To: "sosfbay discussion group" > Date: Sunday, May 20, 2012, 7:04 PM > > This is a call for any additional agenda items for the next > meeting on Thursday. > > Post your sugestions to this list. > > Thanks, > Jim Doyle > > So far we have these topics > > Plenary reports > Tabling > movie night > appointing John T. to county council > changing bylaws re county council appointments > reports from the campaiggn trail > Green Pages - order more > 1) county council duties and responsibilities > 2) electioneering - gotv, candidate support, precinct walking, etc. > > > additional items may still be submitted > > Here is a repeat of an earlier item. > > This is a specific proposal repeated here to aid you in preparing > for the meeting. > > Proposal to modify the bylaws. > Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads > > 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer > from among its members, or may ratify the selection of these > officers made at a General County Meeting. > > to > > 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. > > ------------ > The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer > are spelled out in the next sentence of the bylaws which > remains unchanged > > The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying > with the financial reporting requirements of the Fair Political > Practices Commission (FPPC). > > Jim Doyle > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From palmheaven at gmail.com Tue May 22 12:23:14 2012 From: palmheaven at gmail.com (Sustainable Handyman) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:23:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items In-Reply-To: <4FB9A2B5.6050002@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FB9A2B5.6050002@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hey, guys, I would like to come and give a 7 minute presentation to the group for the adventure I am organizing for MoveToAmend, a barnstorming tour across country to the Rainbow Gatheringand the Occupy National Gathering on July 4th. No, I am not asking Green party for donation or endorsement. I will not be asking for anything. Just to talk briefly about the project and then invite all to the fundraising party I will be throwing at my house at 2pm on June 2nd at 809 Bird Avenue, SJ. I would invite Green Party to actually table at the party, I will be inviting my friends from Veterans for Peace, the local peace community, the SJ Friends Meeting, local environmentalists, the permaculture crowd and of course Move To Amend (I am asking them to table too, same with VFP), and also the local Occupy. I am hoping to have a lively crowd, with drumming! We may be singing to choir, but it only takes one to table, I like singing. Here is the Facebook page, follow the links http://www.facebook.com/pages/Transformative-Journey-2012/150573371702453 Roy Nordblom III -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Fri May 18 10:33:33 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:33:33 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Odd occurrence today, should I watch my back? In-Reply-To: <1337197812.96218.YahooMailClassic@web111116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4FB3CE57.2010308@earthlink.net>, <1337197812.96218.YahooMailClassic@web111116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi John, I experienced a lot of intimidating and disruptive odd occurrences in the 80's and 90's. Like I'd go away for the weekend and come home and find that my new shoes had been relaced so they missed some eyelets. In the last few years my parked car has been twice damaged by hit and run drivers--once seriously wrinkling the trunk area on one side and bending the front bumper--both times in San Francisco while I was busy working with World Can't Wait. So I'm generally respectful of your concerns. In this particular case, the wide separation both in time and space between your knocked-down sign and your car damage gives a lot of scope for coincidence to work. But it's always good to be aware of your surroundings, to watch your back, and to reach out early to friends for support when stuff is bothering you. Brian Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:50:12 -0700 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com Subject: Re: Odd occurrence today, should I watch my back? To: gerrygras at earthlink.net; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; vdf at juno.com; fredlois2 at gmail.com; alexcathy at aol.com; paulrea at sbcglobal.net; WB4D23 at aol.com; spencer.graves at prodsyse.com; mkmusic at greens.org; j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net; tnharter at aceweb.com; snug.bug at hotmail.com; carolineyacoub at att.net Let's try that again. I did recieve the e-mail back from the list yesterday, but I am sending it directly to a few people just to be sure. On a side note, this type of incident is not without precident for me. When I first started my fair trade crafts store my car got sideswiped by a hit and run driver while it was parked in front of my store on Santa Clara St. Needless to say I decided not to park on Santa Clara St after that. Overall, this is probably no big deal, but I do feel the need to stand up and say "hey wait just a darn minute" when stuff like this happens. John Thielking --- On Wed, 5/16/12, Gerry Gras wrote: From: Gerry Gras Subject: Re: Odd occurrence today, should I watch my back? To: "John Thielking" Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 8:57 AM I don't think I can answer your questions, I don't know enough. Also, I notice that I did not receive this email through the GPSCC list, just directly from you. Gerry John Thielking wrote: > I had something very suspicious happen to me today. I was walking to > Lucky's from my residence and when I was walking back home I saw that > someone had just now run up over the curb, knocking over a street sign > which was now splayed across the sidewalk. This happened in broad > daylight at about 7PM. The vehicle involved was nowhere to be seen. This > is suspicious because this is the only time something like this has > happened in the 1.5 years I have been living here. And just hours > before, I was sending e-mails, putting the finishing touches on a deal > with a newspaper rack manufacturer to deliver 4 newsracks for my > Peacemovies.com newsletter project. The delivery date for those was > going to be late July, assuming I ordered them on June 20th. Now after > this incident, plus the fact that shipping is going to be an arm and a > leg and the boxes are likely to be very large, and I'm not sure about my > ability to save up money for this project (I'm in the habit of spending > here and there on stupid stuff), I have decided to order just one rack > this week, for delivery by July 4, 2012. The theme of the July > newsletter will be a declaration of independence from the > Internet/decolonize the Internet. > Watch my back for me would you all please? Thanks. > Sincerely, > John Thielking > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In a dynamic and engaging performance, David shines light on the opportunity that we have today. "Instruments of Change: Our Time to Speak" highlights the issues with the current system through David's personal story, and advocates for evidence-based alternatives to incarceration. The Public Safety Realignment Act (AB109) took effect on October 1, 2011, transferring substantial program and fiscal responsibilities for our criminal justice system from state to county authorities. Novella Coleman, a Criminal Justice and Drug Policy Fellow in the ACLUNC office, has been tracking the realignment planning process in Santa Clara County for the past several months. She is uniquely qualified to brief us on progress to date and ways in which we can advocate for effective evidence-based programs. 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Jim Doyle GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY Meeting agenda for May 24, 2012 Select Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, Vibes Watcher, Agenda Preparer of next meeting 5 min Introductions 10 min Agenda revisions 5 min Reports from the campaign trail** campaign manager Jules B 10 min campaign treasurer Tian H 5 min Treasurer?s report Jim D 2 min Tabling Green Pages (national GP) - order more? 5 min Move to Amend Tour Bus Roy N 7 min Movie night Merriam / John 5 min Report on GPCA General Assembly Warner B 15 min County Council Topics * Duties, responsibilities, authority Jim D 10 min * appointing John T. to county council Tian H 10 min Proposal to modify the GPSCC bylaws Jim D 10 min (details below) GPCA merchandise Clearing House Warner B 10 min GPSCC electioneering ? Jim D 5 min gotv, candidate support, precinct walking, etc. Foreclosure event Spencer G 5 min Estimated time 1 hour 54 minutes Proposal to modify the bylaws. Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General County Meeting. to read 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. ------------ The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer are spelled out in the next sentence of the bylaws which remains unchanged The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements of the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ~$y 2012 gpscc agenda.txt URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Wed May 23 17:00:53 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:00:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda for Thursday May 24, 2012 In-Reply-To: <4FBD5E26.9000202@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FBD5E26.9000202@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FBD7A35.1060306@prodsyse.com> Two other items for the agenda: * Election night party, June 5 (This can be a subitem of the "reports from the campaign trail", but should at least be on the agenda. Since Tian and Merriam are both involved in the campaign and are half of the County Council, I could add my approval to make it official. However, I think it's better if it's discussed in this meeting.) * Sponsoring a Foreclosures event (Spencer) Thanks, Spencer On 5/23/2012 3:01 PM, Jim Doyle wrote: > Here is the agenda for tomorrow night. > A text file of the agenda is attached and will > or should be more consistant in the format. > > Special request: please print a copy of the agenda > for your personal use. Thank you. > > Jim Doyle > GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY > Meeting agenda for May 24, 2012 > > Select Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, Vibes Watcher, > Agenda Preparer of next meeting 5 min > Introductions 10 min > Agenda revisions 5 min > Reports from the campaign trail** > campaign manager Jules B 10 min > campaign treasurer Tian H 5 min > > Treasurer's report Jim D 2 min > > Tabling > Green Pages (national GP) - order more? 5 min > Move to Amend Tour Bus Roy N 7 min > > Movie night Merriam / John 5 min > Report on GPCA General Assembly Warner B 15 min > County Council Topics > * Duties, responsibilities, authority Jim D 10 min * > > appointing John T. to county council Tian H 10 min > Proposal to modify the GPSCC bylaws Jim D 10 min > > (details below) > > GPCA merchandise Clearing House Warner B 10 min > > GPSCC electioneering -- Jim D 5 min gotv, candidate > support, precinct walking, etc. > Foreclosure event Spencer G 5 min > > Estimated time 1 hour 54 minutes > > > Proposal to modify the bylaws. > > Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads > > 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among > its members, > > or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General County > Meeting. > > to read > > 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. > > ------------ > The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer are > spelled out in the > next sentence of the bylaws which remains unchanged > > The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying with > the financial > reporting requirements of the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Wed May 23 17:35:19 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:35:19 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Election night party? In-Reply-To: <8CF0753C883F264-1CDC-3234A@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF0753C883F264-1CDC-3234A@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FBD8247.4080906@prodsyse.com> 1. I approve. This should be enough to make it official (assuming Merriam and Tian have already approved it). HOWEVER, I also recommend that it be discussed and proposed at the Santa Clara Green's meeting tomorrow night for two reasons: (1) Doing so might encourage more people to get involved. (2) It's only one more day. Jules and Tian have 15 minutes on the current agenda for the meeting tomorrow night for a "Report from the campaign trail". I recommend this be included in that. 2. I'd like to say a few words on "Fighting Foreclosures 3 Ways" and "Advertising Writes US Law". I will have pithy handouts. Spencer On 5/23/2012 4:34 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > As a GPSCC County Council member I say yes to us sponsoring this > election night party. > I'm forwarding this to Spencer Graves and Andrea Dorey our GPSCC other > county council members for their agreement on our GPSCC > sponsorship for the party. I think this should also be on our agenda > for our GP meeting tomorrow night (Thursday 5/24). > Merriam > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jules Brouillet > To: Sanda Everette > Cc: Tian Harter ; jonathan Fluck > ; cls ; Merriam > Kathaleen ; Jim Doyle > Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 3:59 pm > Subject: Re: Election night party? > > There was a typo in the last email: the election night party will be > on Tuesday, June 5th. > > What I mean by sponsorship, is when the GPSM (and GPSC) County Council > endorses this event, and encourage members to attend it. Tian, > Jonathan, Carol and I will do all the legwork of setting up the place, > chairs, food, etc. County Council members are welcome to participate > in planning the event agenda, and we invite you to recommend 0 to 3 > people that we know will be attending as speakers. If you, or anyone > else, would like to participate in planning the event agenda, contact > me by email, and I'll schedule a 30 minute conference call at a time > that works best for everybody. > > Jules > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Jules Brouillet > > wrote: > > I apologize for not getting the invite ready & out. I've been busy. > > We're hosting the election night party on June 6th, at 7pm at the > 505 Cypress Point Drive Clubhouse, Mountain View. Conveniently > close to the Mountain View Caltrain station. I'll put the formal > invitation together soon. Can I put down the San Mateo County > Green Party and the Santa Clara County Green Party as sponsors? > > Jules > > > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Sanda Everette > > wrote: > > From Sanda regarding Election Night Party, as I recall, > Cameron did the technical stuff to get this info the last big > election night party, do you think he might be willing to do > it again? > > I'll bring the food... Carol > > > > Ok. How much of your district is in San Mateo county....yea, I > could look it up. Can I presume you will have projected > Internet and/or TV coverage of all our races around the state? > > As soon as I get your invite, I will put it on our website. > Since Jules is already on our d list, I presume he will > promote it there. > > Sanda > Writing from tiny communication device > > > > > On May 23, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Carol Brouillet > > wrote: > > > >> Please join us! >> >> Tian just booked the room at his clubhouse, but we haven't >> announced or sent out invites, yet. >> >> >> The Clubhouse >> >> 505 Cypress Point Drive in Mountain View. >> >> Turn off of Moffett onto Cypress Point Dr. Just past the >> third driveway on the right is the clubhouse with a big sign >> that says "505 Cypress Point" >> Map:http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/SeptemberElectionParty.html >> >> Carol >> >> At 07:03 PM 5/22/2012, you wrote: >>> We were about to plan one, but thought that if you were >>> having one, we should join you instead. >>> >>> Sanda >>> Writing from tiny communication device > > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkmusic03 at aol.com Wed May 23 18:02:50 2012 From: mkmusic03 at aol.com (mkmusic03 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 21:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Election night party? In-Reply-To: <4FBD8002.3080503@prodsyse.com> References: <8CF0753C883F264-1CDC-3234A@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> <4FBD8002.3080503@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <8CF076013021DAB-1CDC-327EE@webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Spencer for your agreement for GPSCC to sponsor the election night party. With your agreement and my agreement and I assume Tian's agreement because he is hosting the party our GPSCC will be the sponsor. And yes, let's do discuss this at the meeting. Also, I look forward to your pithy handouts at Thursday's meeting. Merriam -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Graves To: mkmusic03 Cc: andid ; jules.c.brouillet ; jonathanfluck ; TNHarter ; cls ; j.m.doyle ; sanda ; sanda.greensolutions ; GPSCC Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 5:25 pm Subject: Re: Fwd: Election night party? 1. I approve. This should be enough to make it official (assuming Merriam and Tian have already approved it). HOWEVER, I also recommend that it be discussed and proposed at the Santa Clara Green's meeting tomorrow night for two reasons: (1) Doing so might encourage more people to get involved. (2) It's only one more day. Jules and Tian have 15 minutes on the current agenda for the meeting tomorrow night for a "Report from the campaign trail". I recommend this be included in that. 2. I'd like to say a few words on "Fighting Foreclosures 3 Ways" and "Advertising Writes US Law". I will have pithy handouts. Spencer On 5/23/2012 4:34 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com wrote: Hi, As a GPSCC County Council member I say yes to us sponsoring this election night party. I'm forwarding this to Spencer Graves and Andrea Dorey our GPSCC other county council members for their agreement on our GPSCC sponsorship for the party. I think this should also be on our agenda for our GP meeting tomorrow night (Thursday 5/24). Merriam -----Original Message----- From: Jules Brouillet To: Sanda Everette Cc: Tian Harter ; jonathan Fluck ; cls ; Merriam Kathaleen ; Jim Doyle Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 3:59 pm Subject: Re: Election night party? There was a typo in the last email: the election night party will be on Tuesday, June 5th. What I mean by sponsorship, is when the GPSM (and GPSC) County Council endorses this event, and encourage members to attend it. Tian, Jonathan, Carol and I will do all the legwork of setting up the place, chairs, food, etc. County Council members are welcome to participate in planning the event agenda, and we invite you to recommend 0 to 3 people that we know will be attending as speakers. If you, or anyone else, would like to participate in planning the event agenda, contact me by email, and I'll schedule a 30 minute conference call at a time that works best for everybody. Jules On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Jules Brouillet wrote: I apologize for not getting the invite ready & out. I've been busy. We're hosting the election night party on June 6th, at 7pm at the 505 Cypress Point Drive Clubhouse, Mountain View. Conveniently close to the Mountain View Caltrain station. I'll put the formal invitation together soon. Can I put down the San Mateo County Green Party and the Santa Clara County Green Party as sponsors? Jules On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Sanda Everette wrote: >From Sanda regarding Election Night Party, as I recall, Cameron did the technical stuff to get this info the last big election night party, do you think he might be willing to do it again? I'll bring the food... Carol Ok. How much of your district is in San Mateo county....yea, I could look it up. Can I presume you will have projected Internet and/or TV coverage of all our races around the state? As soon as I get your invite, I will put it on our website. Since Jules is already on our d list, I presume he will promote it there. Sanda Writing from tiny communication device On May 23, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Carol Brouillet wrote: Please join us! Tian just booked the room at his clubhouse, but we haven't announced or sent out invites, yet. The Clubhouse 505 Cypress Point Drive in Mountain View. Turn off of Moffett onto Cypress Point Dr. Just past the third driveway on the right is the clubhouse with a big sign that says "505 Cypress Point" Map: http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/SeptemberElectionParty.html Carol At 07:03 PM 5/22/2012, you wrote: We were about to plan one, but thought that if you were having one, we should join you instead. Sanda Writing from tiny communication device -- pencer Graves, PE, PhD resident and Chief Technology Officer tructure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 51 Emerson Ct. an Jos?, CA 95126 h: 408-655-4567 eb: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu May 24 09:37:39 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 09:37:39 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda for Thursday May 24, 2012 In-Reply-To: <4FBD5E26.9000202@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FBD5E26.9000202@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FBE63D3.5010004@prodsyse.com> I'll modify the agenda and print and bring copies to the meeting -- unless I hear otherwise first. Spencer ################# Two other items for the agenda: * Election night party, June 5 (This can be a subitem of the "reports from the campaign trail", but should at least be on the agenda. Since Tian and Merriam are both involved in the campaign and are half of the County Council, I could add my approval to make it official. However, I think it's better if it's discussed in this meeting.) * Sponsoring a Foreclosures event (Spencer) Thanks, Spencer On 5/23/2012 3:01 PM, Jim Doyle wrote: > Here is the agenda for tomorrow night. > A text file of the agenda is attached and will > or should be more consistant in the format. > > Special request: please print a copy of the agenda > for your personal use. Thank you. > > Jim Doyle > GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY > Meeting agenda for May 24, 2012 > > Select Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, Vibes Watcher, > Agenda Preparer of next meeting 5 min > Introductions 10 min > Agenda revisions 5 min > Reports from the campaign trail** > campaign manager Jules B 10 min > campaign treasurer Tian H 5 min > > Treasurer's report Jim D 2 min > > Tabling > Green Pages (national GP) - order more? 5 min > Move to Amend Tour Bus Roy N 7 min > > Movie night Merriam / John 5 min > Report on GPCA General Assembly Warner B 15 min > County Council Topics > * Duties, responsibilities, authority Jim D 10 min * > > appointing John T. to county council Tian H 10 min > Proposal to modify the GPSCC bylaws Jim D 10 min > > (details below) > > GPCA merchandise Clearing House Warner B 10 min > > GPSCC electioneering -- Jim D 5 min gotv, candidate > support, precinct walking, etc. > Foreclosure event Spencer G 5 min > > Estimated time 1 hour 54 minutes > > > Proposal to modify the bylaws. > > Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads > > 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among > its members, > > or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General County > Meeting. > > to read > > 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. > > ------------ > The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer are > spelled out in the > next sentence of the bylaws which remains unchanged > > The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying with > the financial > reporting requirements of the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. 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Jim Doyle GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY Meeting agenda for May 24, 2012 Select Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, Vibes Watcher, Agenda Preparer of next meeting 5 min Introductions 10 min Agenda revisions 5 min Reports from the campaign trail** campaign manager Jules B 10 min campaign treasurer Tian H 5 min Treasurer?s report Jim D 2 min Tabling Green Pages (national GP) - order more? 5 min Move to Amend Tour Bus Roy N 7 min Movie night Merriam / John 5 min Report on GPCA General Assembly Warner B 15 min County Council Topics Duties, responsibilities, authority Jim D 10 min appointing John T. to county council Tian H 10 min Proposal to modify the GPSCC bylaws Jim D 10 min (details below) GPCA merchandise Clearing House Warner B 10 min GPSCC electioneering ? Jim D 5 min gotv, candidate support, precinct walking, etc. [[co-?] sponsor] Foreclosure event Spencer G 5 min Estimated time 1 hour 54 minutes Proposal to modify the bylaws. Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General County Meeting. to read 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. ------------ The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer are spelled out in the next sentence of the bylaws which remains unchanged The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements of the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). [[co-?] sponsor] Foreclosure event Spencer G 5 min sponsor? an election night party -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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That?s nearly forty percent of the $2.5 billion in penalties paid to the states under the agreement. * * From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu May 24 18:18:34 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:18:34 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] foreclosure settlement funds In-Reply-To: <4FBED4D8.4080201@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FBED4D8.4080201@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FBEDDEA.3000309@prodsyse.com> Hi, Jim: That's great. I'm actually less interested in the article than in the fact that ProPublica is asking people to report their experiences to ProPublics! I should contact them. Spencer On 5/24/2012 5:39 PM, Jim Doyle wrote: > This from and full article at *http://tinyurl.com/c75vf2e > * > > > Billion Dollar Bait & Switch: > > > States Divert Foreclosure Deal Funds > > States have diverted $974 million from this year?s landmark mortgage > settlement to pay down budget deficits or fund programs unrelated to > the foreclosure crisis, according to a ProPublica analysis. That?s nearly > forty percent of the $2.5 billion in penalties paid to the states > under the agreement. > * > > > * > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu May 24 22:39:42 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 22:39:42 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] tonight's agenda In-Reply-To: <4FBE9835.7010405@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FBE9835.7010405@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FBF1B1E.1080006@prodsyse.com> Draft minutes appear below. If you have any corrections, additions, or questions, please post them to this list. Thanks. Spencer On 5/24/2012 1:21 PM, Jim Doyle wrote: > > > Here is the agenda for tonight. > Two last minute additions at the bottom. > A text file of the agenda (not updated) is attached and will > or should be more consistant in the format. > > Special request: please print a copy of the agenda > for your personal use. Thank you. > > Jim Doyle > GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY > Meeting agenda for May 24, 2012 > > Select Facilitator, Notetaker, Timekeeper, Vibes Watcher, Facilitator: Warner Notetaker: Spencer Timekeeper: John T. Vibes Watcher: Fred D. > Agenda Preparer of next meeting 5 min: Jim Doyle > Introductions 10 min Roy, Shiva, Victoria, Spencer, Warner, Jules B., Fred D., John T., Jonathan F., Betsy Wolf-Graves, Richard, Bailey, Andrea, Tian, Drew, Merriam + 3 others ... + Jim Doyle > Agenda revisions 5 min > Reports from the campaign trail** > campaign manager Jules B 10 min Carol Brouillet's third run for congress, each time as a Green. Dave Chapman, Republican, has not campaigned at all. In 2010, he got 25,000 votes. If Carol gets 30,000 votes, she should take second place. Focusing on San Jos?, Los Gatos, Saratoga, ... Atherton, Redwood City Almaden Valley Cambrian area -- carol4congress.org > campaign treasurer Tian H 5 min Carol has raised and spent ~$17,000. Spent most of the money on quality literature and staff time. > > Treasurer's report Jim D 2 min balance: $2,545.48 > > Tabling > Green Pages (national GP) - order more? 5 min: Spencer proposes we purchase 50 for $15 plus shipping of each new edition and discard any copies left over from the earlier quarter. > Move to Amend Tour Bus Roy N 7 min Occupy National Gathering from June 30 to July 4 in Philadelphia. Occupy Caravan is assembling 3 caravans to cover the US, covering the west coast June 11, converge on Philadelphia June 30. Rainbow gatherings along the way. Videotaping and making a movie about it. June 2 at 2 PM, a fund-raising party at Roy's house. 809 Bird Ave., @ Riverside, Willow Glen. Make check payable to Roy. Merriam proposes the Green Party donate $45 to this. Warner has a concern that this is not directly related to Green Party business. He is willing to stand aside. There are no other concerns, which means that we have have consensus. > > Movie night Merriam / John 5 min normally the 2nd Friday of every month. June 8: Sponsoring "SB 1070 The Faces". Merriam is burned out of Movie Night. They've been doing it for more than a year. The Peace Center also has Latin Movie Night. Merriam proposes we allow the Latin Movie Night group to take our 2nd Friday, and we would co-sponsor their events. Merriam has been involved with the Latin Movie Night. That group has gotten a bigger response than the Green Party Movie Night. No concerns. Consensus. > > Report on GPCA General Assembly Warner B 15 min Warner, Tian, Gerry Gras and Drew attended. Posted a brief summary on Greens Cal Forum. We elected National Delegates. Elected a new Coordinating Committee. State party has no position on the initiatives. County parties are entitled to take their own positions. Michael Feinstein's proposals failed. We have a budget problem. Next plenary will likely be in Dec. or Jan. No breakout sessions because of the budget problems. Drew and Tian liked the candidate's forum. Now on YouTube. The Fairfax public had a recall election whose results changes their representatives to reverse the approval of a new Walmart Super Center. Tian said plenaries used to draw 150, now have only 50. The combined primary is having the anticipated impact of reducing the number of Green party candidates in this primary. > > County Council Topics > Duties, responsibilities, authority Jim D 10 min Duties: Report local results on county polling to the plenary organization plus treasurer's report twice per year. Spencer's election to the County Council has been reported to Sanda but NOT the County Registrar of Voters. Until June 6, our County Council consists of Merriam, Tian, Andrea and Spencer. Spencer, Merriam, Andrea and Tian appoints Jim Doyle as a new County Council member starting June 5. Merriam's current term expires June 5, but she is reappointed. Drew is appointed to the County Council starting June 5. , Beginning June 6, the County Council will be Spencer, Drew, Merriam, and Jim Doyle. We will revisit this in August when John T. has been a member of the Green party for a year. One member of the current County Council needs to send a letter to the County Registrar of Voters naming all the new members of the County Council. Send the names, addresses phone numbers and email addresses saying there are "vacancies filled by appointment by the county council at a general membership meeting". Also send this info to Sandra everett and Al Chantz. > appointing John T. to county council Tian H 10 min > Proposal to modify the GPSCC bylaws Jim D 10 min Warner has a concern about removing the option that the secretary and treasurer be selected at a general county meeting. Drew is concerned that the secretary and treasurer must be on the County Council. This issue is postponed to next month. > > (details below) > > GPCA merchandise Clearing House Warner B 10 min Warner proposes to volunteer Santa Clara County for warehousing the material. Warner is willing to keep it at his house and send things out as needed and try to train others to do it. Warner will send a specific proposal to the Clearing House Committee. We have consensus. > > GPSCC electioneering -- Jim D 5 min > gotv, candidate support, precinct walking, etc. Tabled for next time. > > [[co-?] sponsor] Foreclosure event Spencer G 5 min We will discuss this again next month. In the meantime, Warner reminded me of his previous suggestion that I contact Thomas Spielbauer. He also suggested I create a bookmark or leaflet on this from the information in the San Francisco Foreclosure Audit, mentioning the three pronged attack on foreclosures plus the 6 major areas in which banks routinely violate the law during foreclosures. "Did you know that one out of every 6 homeowners in California has lost their home since 2007 and almost that many are expected to lose their homes before the current foreclosure crisis is over? If you or someone you know has lost their home or might lose their home -- or you are otherwise concerned about this issue -- you may want to know about the three ways people are dealing with this crisis ... ." After the election, Jules can help in various ways. > > Estimated time 1 hour 54 minutes > > > Proposal to modify the bylaws. > > Change the first sentence of paragraph 2.1.2 which currently reads > > 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among > its members, > > or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a General County > Meeting. > > to read > > 2.1.2 The Council shall appoint a secretary and a treasurer. > > ------------ > The responsibilities of the county council and the treasurer are > spelled out in the > next sentence of the bylaws which remains unchanged > > The Council and/or its officers will be responsible for complying with > the financial > reporting requirements of the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). > > [[co-?] sponsor] Foreclosure event Spencer G 5 min > sponsor? an election night party > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. 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Fred Duperrault From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com Fri May 25 18:10:01 2012 From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:10:01 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fighting Foreclosures 3 Ways In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FC02D69.5060604@structuremonitoring.com> HI, Mike, Carol, Fred, et al.: On 5/25/2012 2:30 PM, fred Duperrault wrote: > Mike, your letter (WHERE ARE LOCAL BANKS INVESTING) in this week's > (May 25) issue of the MVVoice is tops. MIKE, FRED: Where is the link? My simple search failed to identify it. > > For the interest of the GPSCC group here's a short quote - the last > paragraph: "And we should ask our banks about their foreclosure and > mortgage policies > for our city's residents. And it would be informative to know if > they are conforming to the Community Reinvestment Act > and reinvesting local deposits locally." Michael Fischetti M.D., > View St., M.V. CAROL, MIKE, FRED: I'm currently working on a discussion of "Fighting Foreclosures 3 Ways" (http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/54013671/fight%203%20ways): (1) Financial counseling and frugality. (2) Legal support, and (3) Changes in law and administration. This discussion includes one link in each of these areas to web sited that provide tools to help distressed homeowners become more effective in fighting this issue. At the Santa Clara Green party meeting last night, I provided an early version of this web site. I plan to discuss it further at your election party, June 5. Best Wishes, Spencer > > Fred Duperrault > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From fredlois2 at gmail.com Sat May 26 17:11:39 2012 From: fredlois2 at gmail.com (fred Duperrault) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 17:11:39 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fighting Foreclosures 3 Ways In-Reply-To: <4FC02D69.5060604@structuremonitoring.com> References: <4FC02D69.5060604@structuremonitoring.com> Message-ID: <6CDC1EA7-A641-4E59-AD36-FB0B91DCD2BC@gmail.com> Spence, and whoever, the MVVoice webste is: MountainViewOnline.com On May 25, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Spencer Graves wrote: > HI, Mike, Carol, Fred, et al.: > > > On 5/25/2012 2:30 PM, fred Duperrault wrote: >> Mike, your letter (WHERE ARE LOCAL BANKS INVESTING) in this week's >> (May 25) issue of the MVVoice is tops. > > > MIKE, FRED: Where is the link? My simple search failed to identify > it. > >> >> For the interest of the GPSCC group here's a short quote - the last >> paragraph: "And we should ask our banks about their foreclosure >> and mortgage policies >> for our city's residents. And it would be informative to know if >> they are conforming to the Community Reinvestment Act >> and reinvesting local deposits locally." Michael Fischetti M.D., >> View St., M.V. > > > CAROL, MIKE, FRED: > > > I'm currently working on a discussion of "Fighting Foreclosures > 3 Ways" (http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/54013671/fight > %203%20ways): (1) Financial counseling and frugality. (2) Legal > support, and (3) Changes in law and administration. This discussion > includes one link in each of these areas to web sited that provide > tools to help distressed homeowners become more effective in > fighting this issue. > > > At the Santa Clara Green party meeting last night, I provided > an early version of this web site. I plan to discuss it further at > your election party, June 5. > > > Best Wishes, > Spencer > >> >> Fred Duperrault >> >> > > > -- > Spencer Graves, PE, PhD > President and Chief Technology Officer > Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. > 751 Emerson Ct. > San Jos?, CA 95126 > ph: 408-655-4567 > web: www.structuremonitoring.com > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com Sat May 26 17:50:30 2012 From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 17:50:30 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fighting Foreclosures 3 Ways In-Reply-To: <6CDC1EA7-A641-4E59-AD36-FB0B91DCD2BC@gmail.com> References: <4FC02D69.5060604@structuremonitoring.com> <6CDC1EA7-A641-4E59-AD36-FB0B91DCD2BC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4FC17A56.8000403@structuremonitoring.com> On 5/26/2012 5:11 PM, fred Duperrault wrote: > Spence, and whoever, > > the MVVoice webste is: MountainViewOnline.com Hi, Fred: Please excuse: I got that far with Google, but I couldn't find the letter to which you referred. Spencer > > > On May 25, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Spencer Graves wrote: > >> HI, Mike, Carol, Fred, et al.: >> >> >> On 5/25/2012 2:30 PM, fred Duperrault wrote: >>> Mike, your letter (WHERE ARE LOCAL BANKS INVESTING) in this week's >>> (May 25) issue of the MVVoice is tops. >> >> >> MIKE, FRED: Where is the link? My simple search failed to identify it. >> >>> >>> For the interest of the GPSCC group here's a short quote - the last >>> paragraph: "And we should ask our banks about their foreclosure and >>> mortgage policies >>> for our city's residents. And it would be informative to know if >>> they are conforming to the Community Reinvestment Act >>> and reinvesting local deposits locally." Michael Fischetti M.D., >>> View St., M.V. >> >> >> CAROL, MIKE, FRED: >> >> >> I'm currently working on a discussion of "Fighting Foreclosures >> 3 Ways" >> (http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/54013671/fight%203%20ways): (1) >> Financial counseling and frugality. (2) Legal support, and (3) >> Changes in law and administration. This discussion includes one link >> in each of these areas to web sited that provide tools to help >> distressed homeowners become more effective in fighting this issue. >> >> >> At the Santa Clara Green party meeting last night, I provided an >> early version of this web site. I plan to discuss it further at your >> election party, June 5. >> >> >> Best Wishes, >> Spencer >> >>> >>> Fred Duperrault >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sat May 26 18:18:16 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:18:16 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] student comment on our Thursday meeting Message-ID: <4FC180D8.1040509@sbcglobal.net> As we were leaving the meeting I asked the students if we could attend their presentation or receive a copy of the report they would be preparing. One of them left me his email address. I then sent him a brief email asking him to tell me more about the class assignment and added a question about his thoughts on the pending increase in interest rates on student loans. His response is attached as an msword file. Jim Doyle From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat May 26 18:41:53 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:41:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Killing the competition" In-Reply-To: <4FC18600.2040007@earthlink.net> References: <4FC18600.2040007@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FC18661.50006@earthlink.net> FYI, "Killing the competition: How the new monopolies are destroying open markets" It's about the growing power imbalance in the country. ===== Excerpts ===== ... But these days, we see a different kind of fear in the eyes of America?s entrepreneurs and professionals. It?s a fear of the arbitrary edict, of the brute exercise of power. And the origins of this fear lie precisely in the fact that many if not most Americans can no longer count on open markets for their ideas and their work. Because of the overthrow of our antimonopoly laws a generation ago, we instead find ourselves subject to the ever more autocratic whims of the individuals who run our giant business corporations. ... ... when the Justice Department complained in 2010 that senior executives at Apple, Google, Intel, Pixar, and two other corporations had ?formed and actively managed? an agreement that ?deprived? the engineers and scientists who work for them of ?access to better job opportunities.? ... ==================== http://harpers.org/archive/2012/02/0083788 Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat May 26 18:58:27 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:58:27 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] student comment on our Thursday meeting In-Reply-To: <4FC180D8.1040509@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FC180D8.1040509@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FC18A43.5080802@prodsyse.com> Dear Jim: The attachment did not come through. I'm not sure, but I think this email list is set to delete attachements. Great questions on your part. I look forward to reading the answers. Spencer On 5/26/2012 6:18 PM, Jim Doyle wrote: > As we were leaving the meeting I asked the students if we > could attend their presentation or receive a copy of the report > they would be preparing. One of them left me his email address. > > I then sent him a brief email asking him to tell me more about the > class assignment and added a question about his thoughts on the > pending increase in interest rates on student loans. > > His response is attached as an msword file. > > Jim Doyle > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From AlexCathy at aol.com Sat May 26 19:21:47 2012 From: AlexCathy at aol.com (Alex Walker) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 19:21:47 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Killing the competition" In-Reply-To: <4FC18661.50006@earthlink.net> References: <4FC18600.2040007@earthlink.net> <4FC18661.50006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks for posting this, Gerry. This very day I read a devastating commentary at the web site for, of all things, Forbes Magazine, about Meg Whitman and 10 years of screw-ups at HP. I have always thought that the Santa Clara County Green Party, situated in the heart of One-Party so-called liberal Democratic Party territory that is also the heart of so-called Silicon Valley, has a unique responsibility for documenting the failures of our "Neo-Whatever" capitalist empire. It is simply not enough for Greens to come off as super-liberal Democrats. We must articulate a progressive vision for the 21st Century -- a very different than the Democratic Party Project. Alex Walker Los Angeles Greens From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat May 26 20:02:39 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 20:02:39 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Killing the competition" In-Reply-To: References: <4FC18600.2040007@earthlink.net> <4FC18661.50006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FC1994F.9010801@earthlink.net> Alex Walker wrote: > Thanks for posting this, Gerry. This very day I read a devastating commentary at the web site for, of all things, Forbes Magazine, about Meg Whitman and 10 years of screw-ups at HP. I found this recent Forbes article about HP, but I don't think it's the one you are talking about. http://www.forbes.com/sites/briancaulfield/2012/05/23/hp-to-axe-27000-jobs-beats-q2-earnings-sales-ests-shares-up-6-5-after-hours/ I found this article about HP screwups, but it's not Forbes: http://www.thephoenixprinciple.com/blog/2012/05/can-meg-whitman-turn-around-hp-nope.html Do you have a link to the article on the web? Or can you tell me which Forbes issue it was in, so I can read it at the library? Speaking of which, the reason I posted the Harper's article now was that earlier today I was at the Palo Alto library, was looking at the magazine rack, and was intrigued by the "Killing the Competition" line on the front page. I don't know how that issue got in front. > > I have always thought that the Santa Clara County Green Party, situated in the heart of One-Party so-called liberal Democratic Party territory that is also the heart of so-called Silicon Valley, has a unique responsibility for documenting the failures of our "Neo-Whatever" capitalist empire. I guess you are right. And, FWIW, the fact that "corporate personhood" came from "Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific" has provided extra motivation to me. > It is simply not enough for Greens to come off as super-liberal Democrats. Unfortunately, it seems that some Greens may be super-liberal Democrats. At least some do go back and vote for Democrats at times. Some voted for Obama. Hmm, and what about me? I confess I gave money to Marcy Winograd when she ran against Jane Harman. I hope that most Greens are not just super-liberal Democrats... > We must articulate a progressive vision for the 21st Century -- > a very different than the Democratic Party Project. I assume you mean something more than the platforms. Can you be a little more specific about what you have in mind? Gerry > > Alex Walker > Los Angeles Greens > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sat May 26 21:53:50 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 21:53:50 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] student's feedback Message-ID: <4FC1B35E.10108@sbcglobal.net> Hi Jim, Yes, the assignment is for a class called into to environmental studies, and we are supposed to attend some sort of civic event with some ties of some sort to the environmental movement or green thinking. We are going to be writing a short paper on our experience at our event, what type of things we heard, what we learned, and the general vibe that we got from the experience, (was it easy to get involved, was it easy to follow or would it require months of prior attendance... etc). Student loans in today's society I think are a very interesting topic because the more difficult they are to pay off, the less likely it is that people of lower socioeconomic classes will go to college. In America today, the culture tells us that going to college will make us successful, and that people who don't go to college are wasting their lives. However, I see this as somewhat of a misguided belief. Although college can definitely be a very educational and interesting experience, today's business world does not react as it used to when shown college degrees. Due to the enormous amount of people receiving college degrees, graduate degrees are starting to become the only way to ensure a job. Sadly, if everyone goes to college in our society, a vast majority of those people will not put the skills learned in college to good use. As terrible as it sounds, someone does need to do the manuel labor, service jobs, etc. I am not one to say who these people should be, but in the end, the amount of money spent on college tuition will not be worth it for many people because they will end up with a very similar job to what they would have had without a degree. So, returning to your first question, on the outside, an increase in interest in student loans does seem bad, but in the end, I truly believe that it will help people to realize that college is not really so useful anymore, even if the interest rates were low on student loans, people still spend decades paying off loans amounting to thousands of dollars. As a college student, I probably come across as incredibly pretentious and ignorant saying all these things, but I still think that they are important points to think about. I hope they don't come across as too obnoxious. Anyway, I really enjoyed the meeting on Thursday. I think that you all have countless great ideas and concepts that could definitely do our country some good. I also have a few suggestions of things that the Santa Clara Green Party could do to become more successful in raising money and winning votes. A few friends and I are starting a business called UbookSwap. It's an online book swap website for college students to save money instead of going through the school bookstore. this is the website... www.ubookswap.com . As you can see, the website is quite elementary and not very pretty. However, we recently paid a graphic design student at Santa Clara University just 250 dollars to improve the design of the site. I attached a few of the pictures, I am not sure if they are in the correct format for you to open but it's worth a try. She made it looks 500 times better, so if you would like, I could put you into contact with her or another student that could make your website look more enticing and exciting. I think the 250 dollars would definitely be very well invested money, as a good image can't do anyone any harm. Also, I really like all the content on the brochure that you handed out to us, my only comment is that some people might think that the cover looks a tiny bit outdated. This is barely a problem, just something that I noticed. Anyway, I would appreciate any feedback on anything I have said, I wish you all the success in the world. Thanks, Ben From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com Sun May 27 20:12:03 2012 From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 20:12:03 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] student's feedback In-Reply-To: <4FC1B35E.10108@sbcglobal.net> References: <4FC1B35E.10108@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FC2ED03.9050205@structuremonitoring.com> Dear Jim: He invited feedback. Below please see my reactions, which you can forward to him. Thanks, Spencer ############################## Hi, Ben: Jim asked for your comments, and I appreciate you sharing with us your thoughts. You invited reactions to your comments, so I will offer some. 1. I believe the primary benefit of more eduction is that it gives one more flexibility. People with more education tend to have more flexibility in how they spend their time. It's difficult but not impossible to become a college professor without a PhD. It's difficult but not impossible to become a high level manager in many organizations without a masters in business or public administration. I have a friend with a PhD in chemical engineering and experience with lithography in the manufacture of computer chips, who decided he didn't want to do that any more. He sought and found a job as a statistician in biotech. I have a BS in Aerospace Engineering and a PhD in Statistics. 2. There is a strong relationship between education and unemployment and income. The Wikipedia article on "Educational attainment in the United States" cites research indicating that in 2009, 14.6% of high school dropouts were unemployed vs. 2.4% of people with a doctorate or a professional degree (doctor or lawyer), and the median weekly earnings were $454 for dropouts and $1,530 for people with doctorates and professional degrees. Moreover, the spread in income has increased over the past 40 years, as noted in the Wikipedia article on "Income inequality in the United States". From these numbers, one could program a spreadsheet to compare a person's net worth each year over, say, the next 50 years as a function of your education level and how much debt you took at what interest rate to obtain more education. 3. The opportunities for lower skilled jobs are declining all the time, with more work being done by robots. The future belongs to people who will (a) create the technology of tomorrow and (b) drive the political processes that determine if our future will look more like the egalitarian societies of Scandinavia or the poverty of Africa. Currently, the commercial media is driving us towards the latter, but it doesn't need to be that way. 4. The runaway inflation in the cost of a college education is a major scandal of our time, driving by laws written to benefit major campaign contributors, including the banks, and concealed by the mainstream commercial media, who would lose advertising if they exposed too much of it. For more information, see a brochure created by Occupy San Jos? and San Jos? State Students for Quality Education (http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/file/54050104/StudentDebt2.pdf) or another brochure inviting people to "Move Your Money" from a major bank (http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/file/54050421/MoveYourMoney2012-05-27.pdf) or "Gateway Problems in US Politics & Economics" at "http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/52167684/Gateway%20Problems". I hope you find these comments interesting and useful. Thanks for coming to our meeting last week. I hope to see you again. Best Wishes, Spencer Graves On 5/26/2012 9:53 PM, Jim Doyle wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Yes, the assignment is for a class called into to environmental > studies, and we are supposed to attend some sort of civic event with > some ties of some sort to the environmental movement or green thinking. > > > > We are going to be writing a short paper on our experience at our > event, what type of things we heard, what we learned, and the general > vibe that we got from the experience, (was it easy to get involved, > was it easy to follow or would it require months of prior > attendance... etc). > > > > Student loans in today's society I think are a very interesting topic > because the more difficult they are to pay off, the less likely it is > that people of lower socioeconomic classes will go to college. In > America today, the culture tells us that going to college will make us > successful, and that people who don't go to college are wasting their > lives. > > > > However, I see this as somewhat of a misguided belief. Although > college can definitely be a very educational and interesting > experience, today's business world does not react as it used to when > shown college degrees. Due to the enormous amount of people receiving > college degrees, graduate degrees are starting to become the only way > to ensure a job. > > > > Sadly, if everyone goes to college in our society, a vast majority of > those people will not put the skills learned in college to good use. > As terrible as it sounds, someone does need to do the manuel labor, > service jobs, etc. > > > > I am not one to say who these people should be, but in the end, the > amount of money spent on college tuition will not be worth it for many > people because they will end up with a very similar job to what they > would have had without a degree. > > > > So, returning to your first question, on the outside, an increase in > interest in student loans does seem bad, but in the end, I truly > believe that it will help people to realize that college is not really > so useful anymore, even if the interest rates were low on student > loans, people still spend decades paying off loans amounting to > thousands of dollars. > > > > As a college student, I probably come across as incredibly pretentious > and ignorant saying all these things, but I still think that they are > important points to think about. I hope they don't come across as too > obnoxious. > > > > Anyway, I really enjoyed the meeting on Thursday. I think that you all > have countless great ideas and concepts that could definitely do our > country some good. I also have a few suggestions of things that the > Santa Clara Green Party could do to become more successful in raising > money and winning votes. > > > > A few friends and I are starting a business called UbookSwap. It's an > online book swap website for college students to save money instead of > going through the school bookstore. this is the website... > www.ubookswap.com . > > > > As you can see, the website is quite elementary and not very pretty. > However, we recently paid a graphic design student at Santa Clara > University just 250 dollars to improve the design of the site. I > attached a few of the pictures, I am not sure if they are in the > correct format for you to open but it's worth a try. > > > > She made it looks 500 times better, so if you would like, I could put > you into contact with her or another student that could make your > website look more enticing and exciting. I think the 250 dollars would > definitely be very well invested money, as a good image can't do > anyone any harm. > > > > Also, I really like all the content on the brochure that you handed > out to us, my only comment is that some people might think that the > cover looks a tiny bit outdated. This is barely a problem, just > something that I noticed. > > > > Anyway, > > I would appreciate any feedback on anything I have said, I wish you > all the success in the world. > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon May 28 14:47:14 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:47:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "So You'd Like Me to Contribute to the Democratic Campaign? " Message-ID: <4FC3F262.40900@earthlink.net> FYI, "So You'd Like Me to Contribute to the Democratic Campaign?" "Then Make Them Wear Diapers" "In 2007, I gave what was for me, a lot. And I ended up feeling like Charlie Brown after Lucy snatches the football away ? fooled again." http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/05/28-2 Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Tue May 29 10:26:53 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:26:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy Memorial Day Message-ID: <4FC506DD.6030001@prodsyse.com> Below please find a Memorial Day blog I just posed to "effectivedefense.org". Comments welcomed. *Honoring Our Dead* Spencer Graves^1 <#sdfootnote1sym> While visiting a small town in Austria, I was startled to see a life-size statue of a young man in a World War II German army helmet. I was raised in Kansas in the shadow of an uncle who didn't return from that war, and my visceral reaction was clearly different from that of my Austrian hosts: To me, that helmet represented Nazi tyranny including the holocaust. Many Austrians have a different interpretation, e.g., resistance to foreign invasion. Similarly, there are active controversies in the US today over Confederate monuments.^2 <#sdfootnote2sym> To African-Americans and "damn Yankees" like me, such monuments symbolize slavery. To Southerners, they more likely embody resentment over the depredations and humiliations of the war and the Reconstruction period that followed.^3 <#sdfootnote3sym> I'm concerned, however, that we not use the memory of fallen soldiers to glorify and promote further use of violence, especially in situations where research suggests that there may be more effective means of achieving reasonable objectives in conflict situations. For example, recent research into the effectiveness of alternative reactions to injustice and depredations in the twentieth century determined that 26% of the violent change efforts as opposed to 53% of the nonviolent campaigns achieved some measure of success. Moreover, the nonviolent changes efforts produced on average substantially greater increases in freedom and democracy. The successes of both violent and nonviolent campaigns were achieved in large part through defections among the establishment. This helps explain why nonviolence tends on average to be more effective, because people are more likely to defect if the challengers are nonviolent.^4 <#sdfootnote4sym> Similar research into the use of air power has indicated that tactical air support of ground troops has been useful, but strategic bombing has on average been a waste of resources. One example is the London Blitz, which solidified the support of the British public behind their government to the detriment of Hitler, who ordered the Blitz.^5 <#sdfootnote5sym> A more current example is use of drones by the US in Pakistan, which is allegedly "critical" to US operations in that region. Pakistan has disagreed vehemently, demanding that the US stop using drones in its air space. This Pakistani response suggests that US drone use there has done for the US what the Blitz did for Hitler.^6 <#sdfootnote6sym> The memory of those who made the supreme sacrifice should motivate us to seek and support more careful research into the long-term impact of alternative responses to threats and attack. Copyright 2012 under the Creative Commons Attribution, Share-Alike license. 1 <#sdfootnote1anc>Wikipedia, "Memorial Day", "Armistice Day", accessed 2012-05-29. 2 <#sdfootnote2anc>Mitch Carr, "Reidsville protesters want confederate statue back", MyFOX8.com, May 23, 2012, "http://myfox8.com/2012/05/23/reidsville-protesters-want-confederate-statue-back/ ", accessed 2012-05-28. 3 <#sdfootnote3anc>The resentment of the Southern whites following the American War between the States seems consistent with the role-reversal theory of Roger D. Petersen, /Understanding Ethnic Violence: Fear, Hatred, and Resentment in Twentieth-Century Eastern Europe/, Cambridge U. Pr., 2002. 4 <#sdfootnote4anc>Erica Chenoweth and Maria J. Stephan, /Why Civil Resistance Works/, Columbia U. Pr., 2011. 5 <#sdfootnote5anc>Robert A. Pape, /Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War/, Cornell U. Pr., 1996. M. Horowitz and D. Reiter, "When Does Aerial Bombing Work? Quantitative Empirical Tests, 1917-1999", Journal of Conflict Resolution, 45: 147-173, 2001. 6 <#sdfootnote6anc>Indira A.R. Lakshmanan, "Pakistan Ends Drone Strikes In Blow To U.S. War On Terror", Bloomberg, 2012-03-13 02:22:18Z. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-13/pakistan-tells-white-house-to-stop-drone-missions-after-disputes-fray-ties.html, accessed 2012-05-28. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue May 29 11:44:27 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:44:27 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] advances in solar power Message-ID: <4FC5190B.90308@sbcglobal.net> This from http://www.juancole.com/ In Race against Carbon Catastrophe, Solar Power is Making Strides Then there are responsible countries, like Germany and Portugal, who are investing in renewables in a big way. On last Friday afternoon, because of clear skies and good weather, Germany was at one point producing 22 gigawatts of solar power , a new record. Today (Monday) is a holiday in Germany, and electricity needs will be only a third of normal. So, for a couple hours this afternoon, * all* Germany?s electrical power needs will be supplied by renewable energy . T hat must be a first for an industrialized, G8 country. Germany has defied the predictions of those who said that mothballing its nuclear plants would cause it to produce more CO2 . Its carbon dioxide production was down 2% in the past year. It replaced 60% of its formerly nuclear-generated electricity production with renewables, and became 5% more efficient in using energy. Germany?s achievement is owing in part to the influence in the 1990s of the Green Party on energy policy in that country. But soon investing in solar energy will no longer be high-minded, it will just be economic common sense. By 2017, even if you don?t count all the damage hydrocarbons do to the atmosphere, solar power will reach grid parity with them . That is, it will be economically competitive to put in a solar plant instead of a coal one. (In some areas of the US, solar grid parity will be reached in 2014). Of course if you factor in the health and climate damage caused by CO2 and other dirty emissions, solar is already much cheaper than hydrocarbons. Japanese firms, with the Fukushima nuclear disaster/tsunami in mind, are going into solar energy in a big way. Kyocera is planning the world?s largest solar power farm in the south of the country , which will generate 70 megawatts. If Japanese technical innovation and scientific ingenuity is turned, as it seems like to be, to renewable energy, they may well rejuvenate their lagging economy and become a big player in the burgeoning solar and wind turbine markets. The Japanese public has turned against nuclear pretty decisively, as have most companies there. They have lost a lot of trust in their government and in the Tepco firm that managed Fukushima. The Indian government is likewise planning to put in a fresh 10 gigawatts of solar energy production by 2017. There are daily new technological breakthroughs both in wind turbines and solar cells that will make them more efficient and more competitive over time. The world is on the right track. It is just a day late and a dollar short. The US and China aren?t accomplishing what Germany is. Not to mention the rest of the world. We can?t get back to 350 ppm at this rate. We are going toward 450 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere, which climate scientists such as James Hansen now warn is probably catastrophic for the earth and for human beings. From tnharter at aceweb.com Thu May 31 02:53:24 2012 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 02:53:24 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Election Night Party at Tians! Message-ID: <4FC73F94.7050407@aceweb.com> Here are the details: http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/My/Clubhouse/Primary12/PartyAnoucement.shtml Ummm... I'm still figuring out how to find my address book on this freshly updated computer. Please help by forwarding this announcement to any mutual friends not on this list. Thanks, Tian From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu May 31 20:24:32 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:24:32 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nader Nails It! Message-ID: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/05/31 Obama At Large: Where Are The Lawyers? by Ralph Nader The rule of law is rapidly breaking down at the top levels of our government. As officers of the court, we have sworn to ?support the Constitution,? which clearly implies an affirmative commitment on our part. Take the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. The conservative American Bar Association sent three white papers to President Bush describing his continual unconstitutional policies. Then and now civil liberties groups and a few law professors, such as the stalwart David Cole of Georgetown University and Jonathan Turley of George Washington University, have distinguished themselves in calling out both presidents for such violations and the necessity for enforcing the rule of law. Sadly, the bulk of our profession, as individuals and through their bar associations, has remained quietly on the sidelines. They have turned away from their role as ?first-responders? to protect the Constitution from its official violators. As a youngster in Hawaii, basketball player Barack Obama was nicknamed by his schoolboy chums as ?Barry O?Bomber,? according to the Washington Post. Tuesday?s (May 29) New York Times published a massive page-one feature article by Jo Becker and Scott Shane, that demonstrated just how inadvertently prescient was this moniker. This was not an adversarial, leaked newspaper scoop. The article had all the signs of cooperation by the three dozen, interviewed current andformer advisers to President Obama and his administration. The reporters wrote that a weekly role of the president is to personally select and order a ?kill list? of suspected terrorists or militants via drone strikes or other means. The reporterswrote that this personal role of Obama?s is ?without precedent in presidential history.? Adversaries are pulling him into more and more countries ? Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and other territories. The drones have killed civilians, families with small children, and even allied soldiers in this undeclared war based on secret ?facts? and grudges (getting even). These attacks are justified by secret legal memos claiming that the president, without any Congressional authorization, can without any limitations other that his say-so, target far and wide assassinations of any ?suspected terrorist,? including American citizens. The bombings by Mr. Obama, as secret prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner, trample proper constitutional authority, separation of powers, and checks and balances and constitute repeated impeachable offenses. That is, if a pathetic Congress ever decided to uphold its constitutional responsibility, including and beyond Article I, section 8?s war-declaring powers. The bombings by Mr. Obama, as secret prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner, trample proper constitutional authority, separation of powers, and checks and balances and constitute repeated impeachable offenses. That is, if a pathetic Congress ever decided to uphold its constitutional responsibility, including and beyond Article I, section 8?s war-declaring powers. As if lawyers needed any reminding, the Constitution is the foundation of our legal system and is based on declared, open boundaries of permissible government actions. That is what a government of law, not of men, means. Further our system is clearly demarked by independent review of executive branch decisions ? by our courts and Congress. What happens if Congress becomes, in constitutional lawyer Bruce Fein?s words, ?an ink blot,? and the courts beg off with their wholesale dismissals of Constitutional matters based on claims and issue involves a ?political question? or that parties have ?no-standing-to-sue.? What happens is whatis happening. The situation worsens every year, deepening dictatorial secretive decisions by the White House, and not just regarding foreign and military policies. The value of The New York Times article is that it added ascribed commentary on what was reported. Here is a sample: - The U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron P. Munter, quoted by a colleague as complaining about the CIA?s strikes driving American policy commenting that he: ?didn?t realize his main job was to kill people.? Imagine what the sidelined Foreign Service is thinking about greater longer-range risks to our national security. - Dennis Blair, former Director of National Intelligence, calls the strike campaign ?dangerously seductive.? He said that Obama?s obsession with targeted killings is ?the politically advantageous thing to do ? low cost, no US casualties, gives the appearance of toughness. It plays well domestically, and it is unpopular only in other countries. Any damage it does to the national interest only shows up over the long term.? Blair, a retired admiral, has often noted that intense focus on strikes sidelines any long-term strategy against al-Qaeda which spreads wider with each drone that vaporizes civilians. - Former CIA director Michael Hayden decries the secrecy: ?This program rests on the personal legitimacy of the president and that?s not sustainable,? he told the Times. ?Democracies do not make war on the basis of legal memos locked in a D.O.J. [Department of Justice] safe.? Consider this: an allegedly liberal former constitutional law lecturer is being cautioned about blowback, the erosion of democracy and the national security by former heads of super-secret spy agencies! Secrecy-driven violence in government breeds fear and surrender of conscience. When Mr. Obama was campaigning for president in 2007, he was reviled by Hillary Clinton, Joseph Biden Jr. and Mitt Romney ? then presidential candidates ? for declaring that even if Pakistan leaders objected, he would go after terrorist bases in Pakistan. Romney said he had ?become Dr. Strangelove,? according to the Times. Today all three of candidate Obama?s critics have decided to go along with egregiousviolations of our Constitution. The Times made the telling point that Obama?s orders now ?can target suspects in Yemen whose names they do not know.? Such is the drift to one-man rule, consuming so much of his time in this way at the expense of addressing hundreds of thousands of preventable fatalities yearly here in the U.S. from occupational disease, environmental pollution, hospital infections and other documented dangerous conditions. Based on deep reporting, Becker and Shane allowed that ?both Pakistan and Yemen are arguably less stable and more hostile to the United States than when Obama became president.? In a world of lawlessness, force will beget force, which is what the CIA means by ?blowback.? Our country has the most to lose when we abandon the rule of law and embrace lawless violence that is banking future revenge throughout the world. The people in the countries we target know what we must remember. We are their occupiers, their invaders, the powerful supporters for decades of their own brutal tyrants. We?re in their backyard, which more than any other impetus spawned al-Qaeda in the first place. So lawyers of America, apart from a few stalwarts among you, what is your breaking point? When will you uphold your oath of office and work to restore constitutional authorities and boundaries? ### Someday, people will ask ? where were the lawyers? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu May 31 20:29:04 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:29:04 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nader Nails It! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: (Resent to correct formatting) http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/05/31Obama At Large: Where Are The Lawyers? by Ralph Nader The rule of law is rapidly breaking down at the top levels of our government. As officers of the court, we have sworn to ?support the Constitution,? which clearly implies an affirmative commitment on our part. Take the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. The conservative American Bar Association sent three white papers to President Bush describing his continual unconstitutional policies. Then and now civil liberties groups and a few law professors, such as the stalwart David Cole of Georgetown University and Jonathan Turley of George Washington University, have distinguished themselves in calling out both presidents for such violations and the necessity for enforcing the rule of law. Sadly, the bulk of our profession, as individuals and through their bar associations, has remained quietly on the sidelines. They have turned away from their role as ?first-responders? to protect the Constitution from its official violators. As a youngster in Hawaii, basketball player Barack Obama was nicknamed by his schoolboy chums as ?Barry O?Bomber,? according to the Washington Post. Tuesday?s (May 29) New York Times published a massive page-one feature article by Jo Becker and Scott Shane, that demonstrated just how inadvertently prescient was this moniker. This was not an adversarial, leaked newspaper scoop. The article had all the signs of cooperation by the three dozen, interviewed current and former advisers to President Obama and his administration. The reporters wrote that a weekly role of the president is to personally select and order a ?kill list? of suspected terrorists or militants via drone strikes or other means. The reporters wrote that this personal role of Obama?s is ?without precedent in presidential history.? Adversaries are pulling him into more and more countries ? Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and other territories. The drones have killed civilians, families with small children, and even allied soldiers in this undeclared war based on secret ?facts? and grudges (getting even). These attacks are justified by secret legal memos claiming that the president, without any Congressional authorization, can without any limitations other that his say-so, target far and wide assassinations of any ?suspected terrorist,? including American citizens. The bombings by Mr. Obama, as secret prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner, trample proper constitutional authority, separation of powers, and checks and balances and constitute repeated impeachable offenses. That is, if a pathetic Congress ever decided to uphold its constitutional responsibility, including and beyond Article I, section 8?s war-declaring powers. The bombings by Mr. Obama, as secret prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner, trample proper constitutional authority, separation of powers, and checks and balances and constitute repeated impeachable offenses. That is, if a pathetic Congress ever decided to uphold its constitutional responsibility, including and beyond Article I, section 8?s war-declaring powers. As if lawyers needed any reminding, the Constitution is the foundation of our legal system and is based on declared, open boundaries of permissible government actions. That is what a government of law, not of men, means. Further our system is clearly demarked by independent review of executive branch decisions ? by our courts and Congress. What happens if Congress becomes, in constitutional lawyer Bruce Fein?s words, ?an ink blot,? and the courts beg off with their wholesale dismissals of Constitutional matters based on claims and issue involves a ?political question? or that parties have ?no-standing-to-sue.? What happens is what is happening. The situation worsens every year, deepening dictatorial secretive decisions by the White House, and not just regarding foreign and military policies. The value of The New York Times article is that it added ascribed commentary on what was reported. Here is a sample: - The U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron P. Munter, quoted by a colleague as complaining about the CIA?s strikes driving American policy commenting that he: ?didn?t realize his main job was to kill people.? Imagine what the sidelined Foreign Service is thinking about greater longer-range risks to our national security. - Dennis Blair, former Director of National Intelligence, calls the strike campaign ?dangerously seductive.? He said that Obama?s obsession with targeted killings is ?the politically advantageous thing to do ? low cost, no US casualties, gives the appearance of toughness. It plays well domestically, and it is unpopular only in other countries. Any damage it does to the national interest only shows up over the long term.? Blair, a retired admiral, has often noted that intense focus on strikes sidelines any long-term strategy against al-Qaeda which spreads wider with each drone that vaporizes civilians. - Former CIA director Michael Hayden decries the secrecy: ?This program rests on the personal legitimacy of the president and that?s not sustainable,? he told the Times. ?Democracies do not make war on the basis of legal memos locked in a D.O.J. [Department of Justice] safe.? Consider this: an allegedly liberal former constitutional law lecturer is being cautioned about blowback, the erosion of democracy and the national security by former heads of super-secret spy agencies! Secrecy-driven violence in government breeds fear and surrender of conscience. When Mr. Obama was campaigning for president in 2007, he was reviled by Hillary Clinton, Joseph Biden Jr. and Mitt Romney ? then presidential candidates ? for declaring that even if Pakistan leaders objected, he would go after terrorist bases in Pakistan. Romney said he had ?become Dr. Strangelove,? according to the Times. Today all three of candidate Obama?s critics have decided to go along with egregious violations of our Constitution. The Times made the telling point that Obama?s orders now ?can target suspects in Yemen whose names they do not know.? Such is the drift to one-man rule, consuming so much of his time in this way at the expense of addressing hundreds of thousands of preventable fatalities yearly here in the U.S. from occupational disease, environmental pollution, hospital infections and other documented dangerous conditions. Based on deep reporting, Becker and Shane allowed that ?both Pakistan and Yemen are arguably less stable and more hostile to the United States than when Obama became president.? In a world of lawlessness, force will beget force, which is what the CIA means by ?blowback.? Our country has the most to lose when we abandon the rule of law and embrace lawless violence that is banking future revenge throughout the world. The people in the countries we target know what we must remember. We are their occupiers, their invaders, the powerful supporters for decades of their own brutal tyrants. We?re in their backyard, which more than any other impetus spawned al-Qaeda in the first place. So lawyers of America, apart from a few stalwarts among you, what is your breaking point? When will you uphold your oath of office and work to restore constitutional authorities and boundaries? Someday, people will ask ? where were the lawyers? ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu May 31 22:32:20 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:32:20 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Supreme Court Nominations--Romney v. Obama Message-ID: http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6571/scotusromneyobama260dpi.jpg I first heard this argument from a Occupy Redwood City guy--that if Romney wins, he'll pack the Supreme Court with neocons, My own position is that as a matter of principle I refuse to vote for the war criminal Obama, lest I be seen as complicit in his crimes. We need a counterargument with wider appeal than mine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu May 31 23:13:29 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:13:29 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Supreme Court Nominations--Romney v. Obama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FC85D89.9030005@prodsyse.com> Lawrence Lessig's 2011 book "Republic, Lost" explains how the US political system is so corrupt that few if any can survive in office without playing their part in this corrupt system. Lessig says the corrosive influence of money in government is "the gateway problem" facing the US today in the sense that we must solve this problem before we can make progress against any of the other problems facing the nation. My reaction is summarized in my essay on "Gateway Problems in US Politics & Economics" (http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/52167684/Gateway%20Problems): To raise the massive amounts of money required to get reelected, congress extorts (Lessig's term) money from big business by passing legislation with special privileges for a few years at a time. As each one expires, it provides another excuse to shake down the big businesses for more money. Since the 1990s, the masters of this game are the bankers, which is why the world economy is in such terrible shape. For me, the gateway problem is the failure of the US public to seek out and support substantive investigative journalism, especially about how this corrupt system works: In the 1980s and 1990s, a massive wave of media consolidation produced a media oligopoly with more power than at any time in US history. In the 1990s, the media companies all but eliminated their previously anemic investigative journalism function, because no matter how it's managed, it's a losing proposition. If they find anything, they don't dare run a story for very long or they'll lose advertising. Similarly, if they publish any serious information about politics, it would increase the chances that someone could win an election without so much advertising -- in addition to the money they'd lose from offended advertisers taking their business elsewhere. My bottom line, in a phrase similar to yours but I think with a little broader appeal is that voting for any candidate or initiative that can afford television advertising is voting for bribery. I refuse to vote for bribery. I agree with your position, but I think it's harder to convince people that Obama is a war criminal. Besides, if Obama actually abided by the law, the media would work hard to find something to cripple his presidency. I think Obama knows this, which is why he does what he does. Spencer On 5/31/2012 10:32 PM, Brian Good wrote: > http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6571/scotusromneyobama260dpi.jpg > > I first heard this argument from a Occupy Redwood City guy--that if Romney > wins, he'll pack the Supreme Court with neocons, My own position is > that as > a matter of principle I refuse to vote for the war criminal Obama, > lest I be > seen as complicit in his crimes. > > We need a counterargument with wider appeal than mine. > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu May 31 23:24:24 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:24:24 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Supreme Court Nominations--Romney v. Obama In-Reply-To: <4FC85D89.9030005@prodsyse.com> References: <4FC85D89.9030005@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <4FC86018.50804@earthlink.net> FWIW, I think if we could get MANY more people to read CommonDreams (or listen to KPFA?) every day, we'd see big changes. Gerry Spencer Graves wrote: > Lawrence Lessig's 2011 book "Republic, Lost" explains how the US > political system is so corrupt that few if any can survive in office > without playing their part in this corrupt system. Lessig says the > corrosive influence of money in government is "the gateway problem" > facing the US today in the sense that we must solve this problem before > we can make progress against any of the other problems facing the nation. > > > My reaction is summarized in my essay on "Gateway Problems in US > Politics & Economics" > (http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/52167684/Gateway%20Problems): To raise > the massive amounts of money required to get reelected, congress extorts > (Lessig's term) money from big business by passing legislation with > special privileges for a few years at a time. As each one expires, it > provides another excuse to shake down the big businesses for more money. > Since the 1990s, the masters of this game are the bankers, which is why > the world economy is in such terrible shape. For me, the gateway problem > is the failure of the US public to seek out and support substantive > investigative journalism, especially about how this corrupt system > works: In the 1980s and 1990s, a massive wave of media consolidation > produced a media oligopoly with more power than at any time in US > history. In the 1990s, the media companies all but eliminated their > previously anemic investigative journalism function, because no matter > how it's managed, it's a losing proposition. If they find anything, they > don't dare run a story for very long or they'll lose advertising. > Similarly, if they publish any serious information about politics, it > would increase the chances that someone could win an election without so > much advertising -- in addition to the money they'd lose from offended > advertisers taking their business elsewhere. > > > My bottom line, in a phrase similar to yours but I think with a little > broader appeal is that voting for any candidate or initiative that can > afford television advertising is voting for bribery. I refuse to vote > for bribery. > > > I agree with your position, but I think it's harder to convince people > that Obama is a war criminal. Besides, if Obama actually abided by the > law, the media would work hard to find something to cripple his > presidency. I think Obama knows this, which is why he does what he does. > > > Spencer > > > On 5/31/2012 10:32 PM, Brian Good wrote: >> http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6571/scotusromneyobama260dpi.jpg >> >> I first heard this argument from a Occupy Redwood City guy--that if Romney >> wins, he'll pack the Supreme Court with neocons, My own position is >> that as >> a matter of principle I refuse to vote for the war criminal Obama, >> lest I be >> seen as complicit in his crimes. >> >> We need a counterargument with wider appeal than mine. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > -- > Spencer Graves, PE, PhD > President and Chief Technology Officer > Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. > 751 Emerson Ct. > San Jos?, CA 95126 > ph: 408-655-4567 > web:www.structuremonitoring.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss