From alexcathy at aol.com Mon Oct 1 09:15:50 2012 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 12:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Brown's Veto of Bills Important to Latino Californians Message-ID: <8CF6E072806EE85-211C-5D8A2@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> Dear Green Friends, BREAKING NEWS: GOVERNOR JERRY BROWN, DEMOCRATIC PARTY MACHINE HACK, VETOES BILLS IMPORTANT TO WORKING-CLASS LATINOS Last night, after cogitating over this legislation until the very last minute, California's Democratic Governor Jerry Brownvetoed three bills that were very important to working-class Latinos in California. AB 1081, otherwise known as the "TRUST Act" would have curbed deportations by ending collaboration between police and Immigration and Customs Officials. AB 889, otherwise known as the "DOMESTIC WORKERS BILL OF RIGHTS" would have granted overtime and vacation time to nearly 200,000 domestic workers in California. California law excludes these workers from basic labor protections that apply to just about every other job in our state. But these arevery low-wage working class people and 93% of them are women. AB 2346 would have required farmers to provide their workers with safe heat standards. Well, what with drought and global warming kicking-in, Mr. Brown has to take great care not to offend the interests of California's Big Agribusiness. Borrowing the cynical tactics of his president, Mr. Brown did sign AB 2819, which will grant driver's licenses to young immigrants applying for deferred action, i.e., undocumented immigrants who came to the United States before they were 16, and who are now 30 or younger and meet certain other criteria. In other words, Governor Brown, like President Obama,has painstakingly sliced off the most sympathetic group of "illegals" for relief, thus risking almost nothing politically just like the gutless, cowardly, little Democratic Party Machine Hack that he is. And of course, the clueless MSM is reporting this as a "win" for immigration rights. Published by The Los Angeles Times, October 1, 2012 Brown Acts on Driver's License, Deportation Bills By Patrick McGreevy and Anthony York, Los Angeles Times SACRAMENTO ? Gov. Jerry Brown signed a new law that will allow hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses and vetoed another that would have restricted sheriffs from helping federal authorities detain undocumented Californians for potential deportation. . . . The immigration bills sparked the most controversy. The driver's license measure will make illegal immigrants eligible to drive legally in California if they qualify for a new federal work permit program. That Obama administration protocol allows illegal immigrants who came to the United States before they were 16, and who are now 30 or younger and meet certain other criteria, to obtain work permits. "Gov. Brown believes the federal government should pursue comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship," said Brown spokesman Gil Duran. "President Obama has recognized the unique status of these students, and making them eligible to apply for driver's licenses is an obvious next step." Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles), the measure's author, had been crusading for such a law sincea broader measure he pushed through the Legislature in 2003 prompted a voter backlash. The earlier bill was signed into law by former Gov. Gray Davis, who was ousted from office soon afterward. Before it tookeffect, lawmakers repealed it. Read Original Article: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-brown-bills-20121001,0,4581699.story The other thing that annoys me is that if you read Brown's veto messages, you will find textbook examplesof classic, orthodox, elite "liberal" condescending bull****. Thus, for example in his veto message for AB 1081 Brown writes: "Comprehensive immigration reform -- including a path to citizenship -- would provide tremendous economic benefits and is long overdue." Yeah, right. Like John Kerry on the Iraq War, Jerry Brown was for it before he was against it. Read Veto Message: here In his veto message for AB 889 Brown writes: "Domestic workers work in the homes of ill, elderly, or disabled people. They often share duties and responsiblites with the familyand friends of the patient-employer. Those employed in this noble endeavor, like anyone who works for a living, deserve fair pay and safe working conditions. Seeking to improve the circumstances of these workers however, raises a number of unanswered questions." Blah... Blah... Blah. And some of his best friends are domestic workers. From this point on, Our "liberal" Democratic Governor proceeds to parrot the racist Republican Chamber of Commerce rap. Read Veto Message: here [FLAME ON] As Wes Rolley likes to say, there are many paths to the Green Party. I find Brown's veto of the Domestic Workers Rights Bill particularly galling because historically many working-class African-American women, including close members of my family, did this kind of work in the homes of "White people." In the 1930s, President Franklin D. Roosevelt agreed to exclude agricultural workers and domestic workers from the great New Deal labor rights legislation to appease powerful Southern Democrats who werepart of his big coalition. Today, some Black Nationalist intellectuals in my community have argued this "proves" F.D.R.(like all "White people") was a "racist" in the 1930s. But wait! Here we are 70 years later and Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown operates under theexact same amoral political calculus, not to appease any part of his coalition, but to appease California's 1% like Brown's Republican opponent, Meg Whitman, who threw her own longtime maid under the 2010 campaign bus. Meanwhile, our so-called liberal and so-called Black Nationalist intellectuals in Los Angeles are too deeply connected to the Democratic Party Machine to even comment. We Green should say California in 2012 is not Alabama, Arizona, or Jim Crow America in the 1930s. California can address these problems through good state and local legislation that is good for our economy and our society with leaders and activists who are not "owned" by corporate money. I know there are many points of view within the California GP and I respect that, but I do believe state and local Greensshould run on these issues over the next several years, making sure that our statements are translated into Spanish and sent to the Spanish-language newspapers. Personally, I do not want to hear long, self-righteous rants about how the original Palestinians are being treated in Palestine so long as we tolerate this outrageous treatment of the original Californians in California. [FLAME OFF] Alex Walker L.A. Greens -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 11:03:50 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 11:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D Message-ID: <1349114630.29086.YahooMailClassic@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm in favor of endorsing measure D, the San Jose City minimum wage being set at $10 per hour.? As I stated on the No On D facebook page, I had a broke as mud business from 2006-2008 and paid my employees $10 per hour ( for the few months that I had employees).? What say you, GP county council members?? My newsletter goes to press on Tuesday this week and I'd like to have the GP endorsement for measure D if possible before then so I can include it along with the GP SCC positions on the other ballot propositions. Thanks. ? John Thielking -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vdf at juno.com Mon Oct 1 15:34:59 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 22:34:59 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for approval Re: GPSCC proposition endorsemen ts: contacting campaigns Message-ID: <20121001.153459.31080.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hi folks, If the County Council approves this and wants me to submit these forms (paper and/or online), I need to hear about it no later than midnight this Thursday, October 4, and I will act on it within 24 hours. If that timing doesn't work, the idea can still be approved later, naturally -- I'm just not offering to do the work of submitting the forms later. Or, if folks don't want to do this, that's fine too. I just wanted to mention it one last time. Best regards, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Valerie D. Face" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:40:49 GMT To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for approval Re: GPSCC proposition endorsements: contacting campaigns Hi folks, I request approval from the County Council to submit endorsement forms (both paper and online as indicated in my email below (also archived at http://lists.cagreens.org/pipermail/sosfbay-discuss/2012-August/013641.html)) to the campaigns for the propositions that the GPSCC endorsed in last month's general meeting. If approval is granted I would like to know who should be indicated as an individual contact. I am willing to submit my name and info if that's desirable. Here's the minimum amount of information each endorsement form requires PROP 34 -- name of organization, contact name, email, postal address, phone and a signature PROP 36 -- individual name, email, phone, zip code PROP 37 -- individual primary contact name, email, zip code PROP 39 -- individual name, affiliation ("Company/Organization" for us), company or organization name, email, phone, city PROP 40 -- category ("Organization" for us), individual name, company or organization, email FYI, Prop 37 would like to know if the endorser will send emails to its contact list or make social media posts. An answer is not required, but if we want to do any of that I'll indicate it. Best wishes, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Valerie D. Face" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 06:00:56 GMT To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GPSCC proposition endorsements: contacting campaigns Hi folks, Do we want to publicize any of the GPSCC's proposition endorsements by filling out endorsement forms for any of the appropriate campaigns? If we do, here's some info for endorsing the propositions for which last week's meeting consensed to 4 Yes votes. PROP 34 * From http://www.safecalifornia.org/ * Click Supporters, Endorsements. * Click "Would your congregation or your organization like to endorse Prop. 34? If so, please download, complete, and send in this form." which takes you to * http://www.safecalifornia.org/downloads/SAFE-CA-Endorsement-Form.pdf PROP 36 * From http://www.fixthreestrikes.org/ * Click Endorsements. * Click the "Endorse" button. * Their online form looks like it's geared to individual endorsements, although there is a space for an organization name. * I have emailed info at fixthreestrikes.org asking them how to make organizational endorsements. PROP 37 * From http://www.carighttoknow.org/ * Click Endorsements. * Click "Click Here to Add Your Official Endorsement (Businesses and Organizations, Elected Officials, Health Professionals, Chefs, etc.)" * which takes you to http://www.carighttoknow.org/endorseprop37 * Fill out the online form (Under "Type of Endorsement" select "Government or Political Party"). PROP 39 * From http://www.cleanenergyjobsact.com/ * Click "Endorse Prop 39" which takes you to * http://www.cleanenergyjobsact.com/endorse-prop-39/ * Fill out the online form (Under "Your Affiliation" select "Company/Organization"). PROP 40 * From http://holdpoliticiansaccountable.org/ * Click "Join Us" which takes you to * http://holdpoliticiansaccountable.org/join/ * Fill out the online form OR Click "Download a Sign Up Form" which takes you to -> http://holdpoliticiansaccountable.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/HoldPoliticiansAccountableSignUpForm.pdf Note: I have NOT filled out any of these forms for us. I'm presenting the information in case we want to do this. I suppose I could look into what is required for the "No" campaigns, too. (I thought the "Yes" campaigns would be easiest to identify with a quick search.) Best regards, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/503f0210f1a26210125est02vuc _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 18:01:18 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 18:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for approval Re: GPSCC proposition endorsemen ts: contacting campaigns In-Reply-To: <20121001.153459.31080.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1349139678.22707.YahooMailClassic@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm on the County Council and I vote to approve this move by Valerie. ? John Thielking --- On Mon, 10/1/12, Valerie D. Face wrote: From: Valerie D. Face Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Request for approval Re: GPSCC proposition endorsemen ts: contacting campaigns To: vdf at juno.com Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 3:34 PM Hi folks, If the County Council approves this and wants me to submit these forms (paper and/or online), I need to hear about it no later than midnight this Thursday, October 4, and I will act on it within 24 hours. If that timing doesn't work, the idea can still be approved later, naturally -- I'm just not offering to do the work of submitting the forms later. Or, if folks don't want to do this, that's fine too.? I just wanted to mention it one last time. Best regards, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Valerie D. Face" Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:40:49 GMT To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for approval Re: GPSCC proposition endorsements: contacting campaigns Hi folks, I request approval from the County Council to submit endorsement forms (both paper and online as indicated in my email below (also archived at http://lists.cagreens.org/pipermail/sosfbay-discuss/2012-August/013641.html)) to the campaigns for the propositions that the GPSCC endorsed in last month's general meeting. If approval is granted I would like to know who should be indicated as an individual contact.? I am willing to submit my name and info if that's desirable.? Here's the minimum amount of information each endorsement form requires PROP 34 -- name of organization, contact name, email, postal address, phone and a signature PROP 36 -- individual name, email, phone, zip code PROP 37 -- individual primary contact name, email, zip code PROP 39 -- individual name, affiliation ("Company/Organization" for us), company or organization name, email, phone, city PROP 40 -- category ("Organization" for us), individual name, company or organization, email FYI, Prop 37 would like to know if the endorser will send emails to its contact list or make social media posts.? An answer is not required, but if we want to do any of that I'll indicate it. Best wishes, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Valerie D. Face" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 06:00:56 GMT To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GPSCC proposition endorsements: contacting campaigns Hi folks, Do we want to publicize any of the GPSCC's proposition endorsements by filling out endorsement forms for any of the appropriate campaigns? If we do, here's some info for endorsing the propositions for which last week's meeting consensed to 4 Yes votes. PROP 34 ? *? From http://www.safecalifornia.org/ ? *? Click Supporters, Endorsements. ? *? Click "Would your congregation or your organization like to endorse Prop. 34? If so, please download, complete, and send in this form." which takes you to ? *? http://www.safecalifornia.org/downloads/SAFE-CA-Endorsement-Form.pdf PROP 36 ? *? From http://www.fixthreestrikes.org/ ? *? Click Endorsements. ? *? Click the "Endorse" button. ? *? Their online form looks like it's geared to individual endorsements, although there is a space for an organization name. ? *? I have emailed info at fixthreestrikes.org asking them how to make organizational endorsements. PROP 37 ? *? From http://www.carighttoknow.org/ ? *? Click Endorsements. ? *? Click "Click Here to Add Your Official Endorsement (Businesses and Organizations, Elected Officials, Health Professionals, Chefs, etc.)" ? *? which takes you to http://www.carighttoknow.org/endorseprop37 ? *? Fill out the online form (Under "Type of Endorsement" select "Government or Political Party"). PROP 39 ? *? From http://www.cleanenergyjobsact.com/ ? *? Click "Endorse Prop 39" which takes you to ? *? http://www.cleanenergyjobsact.com/endorse-prop-39/ ? *? Fill out the online form (Under "Your Affiliation" select "Company/Organization"). PROP 40 ? *? From http://holdpoliticiansaccountable.org/ ? *? Click "Join Us" which takes you to ? *? http://holdpoliticiansaccountable.org/join/ ? *? Fill out the online form ? ???OR ? ???Click "Download a Sign Up Form" which takes you to ? ???->? http://holdpoliticiansaccountable.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/HoldPoliticiansAccountableSignUpForm.pdf Note: I have NOT filled out any of these forms for us.? I'm presenting the information in case we want to do this.? I suppose I could look into what is required for the "No" campaigns, too.? (I thought the "Yes" campaigns would be easiest to identify with a quick search.) Best regards, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/503f0210f1a26210125est02vuc _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WB4D23 at aol.com Mon Oct 1 18:24:31 2012 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sally Lieber Message-ID: <2620.26a7a274.3d9b9c4f@aol.com> IMO: No. This is a general meeting issue. Also, the process should start with Sally Lieber requesting our endorsement and attending a general meeting (or at least sending a rep). Also, there should also be at least one person putting the item on the agenda (e.g., how Rob Means was endorsed). As a general rule, I am personnally unenthusiastic about endorsing Democratic Party candidates. Isn't this one of those general election races where the "choice" is between two Democrats? How did Jerry Hill and Sally Lieber vote on the "top two" legislation and the bill that resulted in eliminsation of write-in voting? Warner In a message dated 9/29/2012 3:10:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spencer.graves at prodsyse.com writes: Can we do that on a vote of the County Council? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WB4D23 at aol.com Mon Oct 1 18:31:48 2012 From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 21:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sally Lieber Message-ID: <2901.574b1a28.3d9b9e04@aol.com> It has no effect on County Council elections. Warner In a message dated 9/30/2012 10:52:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, carolineyacoub at att.net writes: I have been curious about something: When I ran for County Council, there were 8 or 9 candidates on the ballot. How does Prop. 14 affect that? Caroline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 1 18:46:00 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:46:00 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sally Lieber In-Reply-To: <2620.26a7a274.3d9b9c4f@aol.com> References: <2620.26a7a274.3d9b9c4f@aol.com> Message-ID: <506A4758.4040700@prodsyse.com> Hi, Warner, et al.: I think Warner's position takes this off the table -- unless someone from her campaign comes to address our monthly meeting, Nov. 27. Longer term, the Green Party would benefit from working with (a) the Peace & Freedom party and (b) MoveOn to develop a common slate of candidates: I would not expect MoveOn to buy into that, but they might. If MoveOn is, say, 10 times our size, and we could get them to endorse one of our candidates in exchange for us endorsing 10 of theirs, I think that would benefit both groups. After this election, I think we should develop a plan for the next 2 years to increase the number of Greens and coalition partners running for low level offices like school board or water district. That could give us more visibility, help us attract more members, and reverse the decline in numbers of registered Greens we've seen over the past few years. Spencer On 10/1/2012 6:24 PM, WB4D23 at aol.com wrote: > IMO: No. This is a general meeting issue. Also, the process should > start with Sally Lieber requesting our endorsement and attending a > general meeting (or at least sending a rep). Also, there should also > be at least one person putting the item on the agenda (e.g., how Rob > Means was endorsed). As a general rule, I am personnally > unenthusiastic about endorsing Democratic Party candidates. Isn't this > one of those general election races where the "choice" is between two > Democrats? How did Jerry Hill and Sally Lieber vote on the "top two" > legislation and the bill that resulted in eliminsation of write-in > voting? Warner > In a message dated 9/29/2012 3:10:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > spencer.graves at prodsyse.com writes: > > Can we do that on a vote of the County Council? > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 19:18:07 2012 From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for approval Re: GPSCC proposition endorsemen ts: contacting campaigns Message-ID: <1349144287.72424.androidMobile@web124501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I give my consent. Green is GO! Drew Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 20:05:12 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 20:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Losing the war on drugs In-Reply-To: <20121001.153459.31080.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1349147112.45903.YahooMailClassic@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> If there ever was an argument for legalizing drugs to end the war on drugs, we could start by acknowledging the US govt's complete surrender to the Mexican drug cartels.? See below: ? http://www.businessinsider.com/stratfor-the-us-works-with-cartels-2012-9 ? John Thielking -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 1 20:07:55 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:07:55 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D In-Reply-To: <1349144081.31367.YahooMailClassic@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1349144081.31367.YahooMailClassic@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <506A5A8B.1060904@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: John reminded us of San Jose City Measure D to raise the minimum wage to $10 per hour. So far, 3 of the 5 members of the County Council have approved supporting Measure D. The other 2 have so far not responded. John needs to go to press tomorrow with his Peace Movies Newsletter, and wants to announce Green Party support for Measure D. Therefore, I officially declare that the Santa Clara Greens are supporting Measure D -- unless we hear substantive arguments against it in the next few hours; please excuse the short notice. JOHN: Thanks for your work on this. Could I ask you to do one more thing after you go to press with your newsletter: Tell me how you want our web site modified to reflect this. Thanks, Spencer On 10/1/2012 7:14 PM, John Thielking wrote: > Spencer, > I have just now read the proposition language, I have seen the > arguments against it. They claim that it may cost the city $600,000 > (for enforcement) and then there are the unsubstantiated claims that > paying workers more will result in businesses having reduced operating > hours or other undesirable economic impacts. As I told the No On D > people, if I could pay my workers $10 per hour in 2006 (the equivalent > of $12.30 per hour in 2013 @ 3% inflation per year), you can too (pay > your workers $10 per hour in 2013). > The city attorney's analysis is available here > http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_d_ia.pdf(but > the link to the text of measure D is broken) > The complete text of the measure is located here: > http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_dord.pdf > Arguments for and against are located here: > http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measures.pdf > John Thielking > > --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, Spencer Graves //* > wrote: > > > From: Spencer Graves > Subject: Re: GP SCC position on Measure D > To: mkmusic03 at aol.com > Cc: pagesincolor at yahoo.com, j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net, > rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com > Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 1:29 PM > > John: > > > Have you read the details, at least the rationale of those > opposed? > > > Assuming the text actually supports the title, I agree that > the Green Party of Santa Clara County would support Measure D. If > someone claims the text contradicts and negates the title, I would > want to reconsider. Unless either Jim or Drew produce a reason to > oppose this, I think we can count it as unanimous: 3 for, 2 no > replies sounds like unanimity with a quorum. > > > Spencer > > > On 10/1/2012 1:14 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com > > wrote: >> Hi County Council, >> I agree with John on Measure D and I vote for our GPSCC endorsing >> the Measure. >> Thanks, John, for bringing it to our attention and for putting >> our endorsement in your newsletter. >> Merriam >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Thielking >> >> To: sosfbay-discuss >> ; >> merriam k >> >> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:03 am >> Subject: GP SCC position on Measure D >> >> I'm in favor of endorsing measure D, the San Jose City minimum >> wage being set at $10 per hour. As I stated on the No On D >> facebook page, I had a broke as mud business from 2006-2008 and >> paid my employees $10 per hour ( for the few months that I had >> employees). What say you, GP county council members? My >> newsletter goes to press on Tuesday this week and I'd like to >> have the GP endorsement for measure D if possible before then so >> I can include it along with the GP SCC positions on the other >> ballot propositions. Thanks. >> John Thielking >> > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 1 20:10:32 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:10:32 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for approval Re: GPSCC proposition endorsemen ts: contacting campaigns In-Reply-To: <20121001.153459.31080.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20121001.153459.31080.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <506A5B28.60709@prodsyse.com> Hi, Valerie: Merriam, Jim, John and I approve this (Merriam and Jim via email). Unless we hear opposition from Drew, you have 4 of the 5 on the County Council with zero negative votes. That should be enough. For Prop 34, which requires a signature, please use your name as the contact. For the others, use Merriam as the contact if you get contact information from her; otherwise, please use me with the contact information provided at the end of this email. Also, I updated our web site with the Santa Clara and State Greens positions on all the propositions. Thanks for taking the lead on this. Best Wishes, Spencer On 10/1/2012 3:34 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > Hi folks, > > If the County Council approves this and wants me to submit these forms (paper and/or online), I need to hear about it no later than midnight this Thursday, October 4, and I will act on it within 24 hours. > > If that timing doesn't work, the idea can still be approved later, naturally -- I'm just not offering to do the work of submitting the forms later. > > Or, if folks don't want to do this, that's fine too. I just wanted to mention it one last time. > > Best regards, > Valerie > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Valerie D. Face" > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 06:40:49 GMT > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Request for approval Re: GPSCC proposition endorsements: contacting campaigns > > Hi folks, > > I request approval from the County Council to submit endorsement forms (both paper and online as indicated in my email below (also archived at http://lists.cagreens.org/pipermail/sosfbay-discuss/2012-August/013641.html)) to the campaigns for the propositions that the GPSCC endorsed in last month's general meeting. > > If approval is granted I would like to know who should be indicated as an individual contact. I am willing to submit my name and info if that's desirable. Here's the minimum amount of information each endorsement form requires > > PROP 34 -- name of organization, contact name, email, postal address, phone and a signature > > PROP 36 -- individual name, email, phone, zip code > > PROP 37 -- individual primary contact name, email, zip code > > PROP 39 -- individual name, affiliation ("Company/Organization" for us), company or organization name, email, phone, city > > PROP 40 -- category ("Organization" for us), individual name, company or organization, email > > FYI, Prop 37 would like to know if the endorser will send emails to its contact list or make social media posts. An answer is not required, but if we want to do any of that I'll indicate it. We've already sent an email to our contact list (sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org) providing this information. I also updated our web site (www.cagreens.org/santaclara ) with the info on the propositions; the Santa Clara County positions matched the State positions (ignoring the issue of how many votes were cast in which directions, etc.). Please send me any suggestions for improvements. Spencer > > Best wishes, > Valerie > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Valerie D. Face" > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 06:00:56 GMT > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GPSCC proposition endorsements: contacting campaigns > > Hi folks, > > Do we want to publicize any of the GPSCC's proposition endorsements by filling out endorsement forms for any of the appropriate campaigns? > > If we do, here's some info for endorsing the propositions for which last week's meeting consensed to 4 Yes votes. > > PROP 34 > * From http://www.safecalifornia.org/ > * Click Supporters, Endorsements. > * Click "Would your congregation or your organization like to endorse Prop. 34? If so, please download, complete, and send in this form." which takes you to > * http://www.safecalifornia.org/downloads/SAFE-CA-Endorsement-Form.pdf > > PROP 36 > * From http://www.fixthreestrikes.org/ > * Click Endorsements. > * Click the "Endorse" button. > * Their online form looks like it's geared to individual endorsements, although there is a space for an organization name. > * I have emailed info at fixthreestrikes.org asking them how to make organizational endorsements. > > PROP 37 > * From http://www.carighttoknow.org/ > * Click Endorsements. > * Click "Click Here to Add Your Official Endorsement (Businesses and Organizations, Elected Officials, Health Professionals, Chefs, etc.)" > * which takes you to http://www.carighttoknow.org/endorseprop37 > * Fill out the online form (Under "Type of Endorsement" select "Government or Political Party"). > > PROP 39 > * From http://www.cleanenergyjobsact.com/ > * Click "Endorse Prop 39" which takes you to > * http://www.cleanenergyjobsact.com/endorse-prop-39/ > * Fill out the online form (Under "Your Affiliation" select "Company/Organization"). > > PROP 40 > * From http://holdpoliticiansaccountable.org/ > * Click "Join Us" which takes you to > * http://holdpoliticiansaccountable.org/join/ > * Fill out the online form > OR > Click "Download a Sign Up Form" which takes you to > -> http://holdpoliticiansaccountable.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/HoldPoliticiansAccountableSignUpForm.pdf > > Note: > I have NOT filled out any of these forms for us. I'm presenting the information in case we want to do this. I suppose I could look into what is required for the "No" campaigns, too. (I thought the "Yes" campaigns would be easiest to identify with a quick search.) > > Best regards, > Valerie > > ~*~*~*~ > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America > http://www.jillstein.org/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 > The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/503f0210f1a26210125est02vuc > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. 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John reminded us of San Jose City Measure D to raise the minimum wage to $10 per hour.? So far, 3 of the 5 members of the County Council have approved supporting Measure D.? The other 2 have so far not responded.? ????? John needs to go to press tomorrow with his Peace Movies Newsletter, and wants to announce Green Party support for Measure D.? Therefore, I officially declare that the Santa Clara Greens are supporting Measure D -- unless we hear substantive arguments against it in the next few hours;? please excuse the short notice.? JOHN:? ????? Thanks for your work on this.? ????? Could I ask you to do one more thing after you go to press with your newsletter:? Tell me how you want our web site modified to reflect this.? ????? Thanks, ????? Spencer On 10/1/2012 7:14 PM, John Thielking wrote: Spencer, ? I have?just now?read the proposition language,?I have seen the arguments against it.? They claim that it may cost the city $600,000 (for enforcement) and then there are the unsubstantiated claims that paying workers more will result in businesses having reduced operating hours or other undesirable economic impacts.? As I told the No On D people, if I could pay my workers $10 per hour in 2006 (the equivalent of $12.30 per hour in 2013 @ 3% inflation per year), you can too (pay your workers $10 per hour in 2013). ? The city attorney's analysis is available here http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_d_ia.pdf(but the link to the text of measure D is broken) ? The complete text of the measure is located here: http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_dord.pdf ? Arguments for and against are located here: http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measures.pdf ? John Thielking --- On Mon, 10/1/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: GP SCC position on Measure D To: mkmusic03 at aol.com Cc: pagesincolor at yahoo.com, j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net, rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 1:29 PM John:? ????? Have you read the details, at least the rationale of those opposed?? ????? Assuming the text actually supports the title, I agree that the Green Party of Santa Clara County would support Measure D.? If someone claims the text contradicts and negates the title, I would want to reconsider.? Unless either Jim or Drew produce a reason to oppose this, I think we can count it as unanimous:? 3 for, 2 no replies sounds like unanimity with a quorum.? ????? Spencer On 10/1/2012 1:14 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com wrote: Hi County Council, ? I agree?with?John on Measure D and I vote for our GPSCC endorsing the Measure. ? Thanks, John, for bringing it to our attention and for putting our endorsement in your newsletter. ? Merriam -----Original Message----- From: John Thielking To: sosfbay-discuss ; merriam k Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:03 am Subject: GP SCC position on Measure D I'm in favor of endorsing measure D, the San Jose City minimum wage being set at $10 per hour.? As I stated on the No On D facebook page, I had a broke as mud business from 2006-2008 and paid my employees $10 per hour ( for the few months that I had employees).? What say you, GP county council members?? My newsletter goes to press on Tuesday this week and I'd like to have the GP endorsement for measure D if possible before then so I can include it along with the GP SCC positions on the other ballot propositions. Thanks. ? John Thielking -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Oct 1 20:49:35 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:49:35 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D In-Reply-To: <506A5A8B.1060904@prodsyse.com> References: <1349144081.31367.YahooMailClassic@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <506A5A8B.1060904@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <506A644F.2050309@earthlink.net> What's the threshold for the vote? Do you need all 5 or is 4 enough? Gerry Spencer Graves wrote: > Hello, All: > > > John reminded us of San Jose City Measure D to raise the minimum > wage to $10 per hour. So far, 3 of the 5 members of the County Council > have approved supporting Measure D. The other 2 have so far not responded. > > > John needs to go to press tomorrow with his Peace Movies > Newsletter, and wants to announce Green Party support for Measure D. > Therefore, I officially declare that the Santa Clara Greens are > supporting Measure D -- unless we hear substantive arguments against it > in the next few hours; please excuse the short notice. > > > JOHN: > > > Thanks for your work on this. > > > Could I ask you to do one more thing after you go to press with > your newsletter: Tell me how you want our web site modified to reflect > this. > > > Thanks, > Spencer > > > On 10/1/2012 7:14 PM, John Thielking wrote: >> Spencer, >> I have just now read the proposition language, I have seen the >> arguments against it. They claim that it may cost the city $600,000 >> (for enforcement) and then there are the unsubstantiated claims that >> paying workers more will result in businesses having reduced operating >> hours or other undesirable economic impacts. As I told the No On D >> people, if I could pay my workers $10 per hour in 2006 (the equivalent >> of $12.30 per hour in 2013 @ 3% inflation per year), you can too (pay >> your workers $10 per hour in 2013). >> The city attorney's analysis is available here >> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_d_ia.pdf(but >> the link to the text of measure D is broken) >> The complete text of the measure is located here: >> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_dord.pdf >> Arguments for and against are located here: >> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measures.pdf >> John Thielking >> >> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, Spencer Graves //* >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Spencer Graves >> Subject: Re: GP SCC position on Measure D >> To: mkmusic03 at aol.com >> Cc: pagesincolor at yahoo.com, j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net, >> rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com >> Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 1:29 PM >> >> John: >> >> >> Have you read the details, at least the rationale of those >> opposed? >> >> >> Assuming the text actually supports the title, I agree that >> the Green Party of Santa Clara County would support Measure D. If >> someone claims the text contradicts and negates the title, I would >> want to reconsider. Unless either Jim or Drew produce a reason to >> oppose this, I think we can count it as unanimous: 3 for, 2 no >> replies sounds like unanimity with a quorum. >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> On 10/1/2012 1:14 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com >> >> wrote: >>> Hi County Council, >>> I agree with John on Measure D and I vote for our GPSCC endorsing >>> the Measure. >>> Thanks, John, for bringing it to our attention and for putting >>> our endorsement in your newsletter. >>> Merriam >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John Thielking >>> >>> To: sosfbay-discuss >>> ; >>> merriam k >>> >>> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:03 am >>> Subject: GP SCC position on Measure D >>> >>> I'm in favor of endorsing measure D, the San Jose City minimum >>> wage being set at $10 per hour. As I stated on the No On D >>> facebook page, I had a broke as mud business from 2006-2008 and >>> paid my employees $10 per hour ( for the few months that I had >>> employees). What say you, GP county council members? My >>> newsletter goes to press on Tuesday this week and I'd like to >>> have the GP endorsement for measure D if possible before then so >>> I can include it along with the GP SCC positions on the other >>> ballot propositions. Thanks. >>> John Thielking >>> >> > > -- > Spencer Graves, PE, PhD > President and Chief Technology Officer > Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. > 751 Emerson Ct. > San Jos?, CA 95126 > ph: 408-655-4567 > web:www.structuremonitoring.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 1 21:12:16 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:12:16 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D In-Reply-To: <506A644F.2050309@earthlink.net> References: <1349144081.31367.YahooMailClassic@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <506A5A8B.1060904@prodsyse.com> <506A644F.2050309@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <506A69A0.2080104@prodsyse.com> On 10/1/2012 8:49 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > What's the threshold for the vote? Do you need all 5 or is 4 > enough? Great question. There may be official rules, but I don't know them. For the sake of expediency, I've felt that a majority of the County Council supporting something with no known opposition should be enough. If there is opposition, then we should revert to the traditional Green consensus rule. Thus, 3 votes for and 2 abstentions (or not yet replying) should be enough with something working against a deadline. With 4 votes for and 1 against, I would want the 4 to reconsider, per the standard Green consensus rule. Beyond that, I exercise my vote with sensitivity to how the membership in general is likely to react to a particular issue. This issue was discussed first only among the County Council. I forwarded it to GPSCC precisely so we could get a broader discussion of the issue: I didn't want to make this decision in secret. If others feel the Santa Clara Greens should NOT endorse Measure D, I want to hear their concerns before John has to print his newsletter. I'm willing to change my vote and state that we do not have a consensus if we found substantive opposition within the Green Party membership. For Measure D, I do not anticipate such, which is part of why I so easily endorsed it. Thanks for the question. If you have more to add, please let me know. Spencer > > Gerry > > > Spencer Graves wrote: >> Hello, All: >> >> >> John reminded us of San Jose City Measure D to raise the minimum >> wage to $10 per hour. So far, 3 of the 5 members of the County Council >> have approved supporting Measure D. The other 2 have so far not >> responded. >> >> >> John needs to go to press tomorrow with his Peace Movies >> Newsletter, and wants to announce Green Party support for Measure D. >> Therefore, I officially declare that the Santa Clara Greens are >> supporting Measure D -- unless we hear substantive arguments against it >> in the next few hours; please excuse the short notice. >> >> >> JOHN: >> >> >> Thanks for your work on this. >> >> >> Could I ask you to do one more thing after you go to press with >> your newsletter: Tell me how you want our web site modified to reflect >> this. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Spencer >> >> >> On 10/1/2012 7:14 PM, John Thielking wrote: >>> Spencer, >>> I have just now read the proposition language, I have seen the >>> arguments against it. They claim that it may cost the city $600,000 >>> (for enforcement) and then there are the unsubstantiated claims that >>> paying workers more will result in businesses having reduced operating >>> hours or other undesirable economic impacts. As I told the No On D >>> people, if I could pay my workers $10 per hour in 2006 (the equivalent >>> of $12.30 per hour in 2013 @ 3% inflation per year), you can too (pay >>> your workers $10 per hour in 2013). >>> The city attorney's analysis is available here >>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_d_ia.pdf(but >>> >>> the link to the text of measure D is broken) >>> The complete text of the measure is located here: >>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_dord.pdf >>> >>> Arguments for and against are located here: >>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measures.pdf >>> >>> John Thielking >>> >>> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, Spencer Graves //* >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Spencer Graves >>> Subject: Re: GP SCC position on Measure D >>> To: mkmusic03 at aol.com >>> Cc: pagesincolor at yahoo.com, j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net, >>> rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com >>> Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 1:29 PM >>> >>> John: >>> >>> >>> Have you read the details, at least the rationale of those >>> opposed? >>> >>> >>> Assuming the text actually supports the title, I agree that >>> the Green Party of Santa Clara County would support Measure D. If >>> someone claims the text contradicts and negates the title, I would >>> want to reconsider. Unless either Jim or Drew produce a reason to >>> oppose this, I think we can count it as unanimous: 3 for, 2 no >>> replies sounds like unanimity with a quorum. >>> >>> >>> Spencer >>> >>> >>> On 10/1/2012 1:14 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com >>> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi County Council, >>>> I agree with John on Measure D and I vote for our GPSCC endorsing >>>> the Measure. >>>> Thanks, John, for bringing it to our attention and for putting >>>> our endorsement in your newsletter. >>>> Merriam >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: John Thielking >>>> >>>> To: sosfbay-discuss >>>> ; >>>> merriam k >>>> >>>> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:03 am >>>> Subject: GP SCC position on Measure D >>>> >>>> I'm in favor of endorsing measure D, the San Jose City minimum >>>> wage being set at $10 per hour. As I stated on the No On D >>>> facebook page, I had a broke as mud business from 2006-2008 and >>>> paid my employees $10 per hour ( for the few months that I had >>>> employees). What say you, GP county council members? My >>>> newsletter goes to press on Tuesday this week and I'd like to >>>> have the GP endorsement for measure D if possible before then so >>>> I can include it along with the GP SCC positions on the other >>>> ballot propositions. Thanks. >>>> John Thielking > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From snug.bug at hotmail.com Mon Oct 1 22:50:43 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 22:50:43 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Glenn Greenwald in Santa Clara Friday 7:30 pm Message-ID: Santa Clara Convention Center $10 http://www.mlfa.org/civicrm/event/info?reset=1&id=45 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Tue Oct 2 09:17:36 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 09:17:36 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] What next re. Foreclosures? In-Reply-To: <506B1054.8070108@prodsyse.com> References: <506B1054.8070108@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <506B13A0.9030207@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: The Foreclosure Summit Sept. 15 had roughly 50 people in the audience, and all indicated an interest in doing more. What do you suggest we do next regarding foreclosures and related issues? Might there be interest in meeting to discuss this? If yes, we could use suggestions for when and where. CJ is asking people to help organize "Foreclosure Town Halls". There will likely be a major wave of foreclosure activity before the end of this year; see below. I'm currently working with PACT (People Acting in Community Together, pactsj.org), but they are currently focused only on the election. Some of them have expressed interest in foreclosures. They may have something of their own in that area, but I don't yet know what. I believe I will learn more after Nov. 6. I plan to try to contact Just Cause-Oakland (cjjc.org) and Project Sentinel (housing.org). I spoke with them before the Summit. They seemed interested but not enough to get involved in the Sept. 15 event. I'm hoping to interest them in helping to plan a follow-on event. Might it be worth creating an email list for this group? It's easy to do using Google Groups. If yes, what might be an appropriate name? There is a Google Group entitled "Communities United Against Foreclosure and Eviction" (https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!forum/communities-united-against-foreclosure-and-eviction ). This list had 24 posts in September, some and perhaps all of which describe activities in Chicago. Thanks, Spencer -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Loan Mods Cancelled En Masse, Foreclosures Ramping UP Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:43:41 -0500 From: CJ Holmes To: CJ Holmes BANK INSIDER NEWS BELOW. [Foreclosure Town Halls 1m video, Press Release , Radio Announce ]] Please forward this news to all county officials, supervisors, county attorneys, county recorders, everyone in your address book, all local radio and tv stations. Copied below is an email solicitation for me, CJ Holmes, real estate broker, to sign up for an REO webinar with /absolutely scary news about the cancellation en masse of loan mods/. This hit my email on 9/30/12 at 8:14pm: Dear CJ, Please make arrangements to attend one of the webinars listed below. You will be part of a group of select Sonoma cty real estate professionals who will qualify to apply as an REO partner for one , or several of the financial institutions who have been affected by the recent cancellation of federal mortgage debt relief programs . HAMP has officially cancelled 1 million loan mods, as foreclosure filings are beginning to surge once again with the economy heading into the fourth quarter. of 2012. The Treasury Department is reporting that 229,185 permanent mods have already re-defaulted and that 16% of trial mods have quickly gone back into foreclosure. These numbers are expected to rise significantly as the shadow inventory backlog becomes financially unmanageable for banks. In addition, the recent mandate by the administration that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac discontinue writing down underwater mortgages has paved the way for the initiation of a record number "strategic default" foreclosures. A documented 1.1 million homeowners have simply "walked away" from undervalued homes to avoid heavy IRS penalties that are scheduled to resume January 1, 2013. These recent changes in legislation have prompted increased filings in Sonoma cty. Government controlled entities like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and HUD, as well as many of the nation's largest banks are scrambling to dispose of REO inventories as quickly as possible. It's news like this that inspires me to do everything possible to stop foreclosures NOW. Counties need to immediately eminent domain ALL securitized loans and foreclosures of securitized loans and stop the banks from more fraudulently foreclosing. If we don't stop the banks, they will foreclose the rest of the 40,000,000 securitized loans they have left in this country, and /everyone and our economy will be ruined/. In the Foreclosure Town Halls, I will explain exactly how the eminent domain of mortgages can be done quickly at the county level strictly for public benefit (not private profit) and immediately halt all foreclosures on every one of those loans. These loans can then be modified (my suggestion) to 80% loan to market value, with credit given for the original down payment, 2% interest rate, 30 year fixed, payments being made to the county. Allowances can be made (payments deferred) for those that lost jobs until they become employed again. This will keep owners in their homes, stabilize market values, allow real estate transactions to return to normal, eliminate the tremendous fear of loss pervading our economy. It will provide a tremendous revenue stream for our counties, and combined with a public bank, will provide all the credit for redevelopment, infrastructure, and refinancing the county needs without having to go to private investors. The vacant foreclosures taken by eminent domain can provide homes for those that lost homes to foreclosure, again with loan terms as mentioned above to these new owners, providing the best restitution possible for the bank theft of their homes. Foreclosure Town Halls are taking off like wildfire -- with 3 firm dates, 13 cities seeking venues and dates, and interest from 5 other states. Get your date scheduled now. Thanks, cj CJ Holmes, Founder Home Owners For Justice /The Most Trusted Name in Real Estate/ Real Estate Analyst, DRE 01234197 www.HOFJ.org /(707) 578-5727/ /(707) 578-5873 f/ 818 Mendocino Ave Santa Rosa, CA 95401 Inline image 3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We will be signing up voters, giving away pizza, and encouraging students to inform themselves about issues and politics. We would like to invite your group to participate by bringing materials for students to learn about your goals and stances. If you can come, please reply to myself and Ken Wagman, above, asap. He will provide you with a parking permit and directions to the event, which will be between the library and the Natural Sciences building on these two days. If you could possibly bring a card table and chair, that would help too! Sincerely, Leah Halper GCFA president From carolineyacoub at att.net Tue Oct 2 10:48:30 2012 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Maybe there is some hope after all Message-ID: <1349200110.28386.YahooMailClassic@web181304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 10/1/12, Irene Poush wrote: From: Irene Poush Subject: Maybe there is some hope after all To: Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 2:42 PM September 25, 2012 Backlash to the Backlash By?THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN One of the iron laws of Middle East politics for the last half-century has been that extremists go all the way and moderates tend to just go away. That is what made the march in Benghazi, Libya, so unusual last Friday. This time, the moderates did not just go away. They got together and stormed the headquarters of the Islamist militia Ansar al-Sharia, whose members are suspected of carrying out the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that resulted in the death of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. It is not clear whether this trend can spread or be sustained. But having decried the voices of intolerance that so often intimidate everyone in that region, I find it heartening to see Libyans carrying signs like ?We want justice for Chris? and ?No more Al Qaeda? ? and demanding that armed militias disband. This coincides with some brutally honest articles in the Arab/Muslim press ? in response to rioting triggered by the idiotic YouTube video insulting the Prophet Muhammad ? that are not the usual ?What is wrong with America?? but, rather, ?What is wrong with us, and how do?we?fix it?? On Monday, the Middle East Media Research Institute, or Memri, which tracks the Arab/Muslim press, translated a searing critique written by Imad al-Din Hussein, a columnist for Al Shorouk, Cairo?s best daily newspaper: ?We curse the West day and night, and criticize its [moral] disintegration and shamelessness, while relying on it for everything. ... We import, mostly from the West, cars, trains, planes ... refrigerators, and washing machines. ... We are a nation that contributes nothing to human civilization in the current era. ... We have become a burden on [other] nations. ... Had we truly implemented the essence of the directives of Islam and all [other] religions, we would have been at the forefront of the nations. The world will respect us when we return to being people who take part in human civilization, instead of [being] parasites who are spread out over the map of the advanced world, feeding off its production and later attacking it from morning until night. ... The West is not an oasis of idealism. It also contains exploitation in many areas. But at least it is not sunk in delusions, trivialities and external appearances, as we are. ... Therefore, supporting Islam and the prophet of the Muslims should be done through work, production, values, and culture, not by storming embassies and murdering diplomats.? Mohammad Taqi, a liberal Pakistani columnist, writing in the Lahore-based Daily Times on Sept. 20, argued that ?there is absolutely no excuse for violence and indeed murder most foul, as committed in Benghazi. Fighting hate with hate is sure to beget more hate. The way out is drowning the odious voices with voices of sanity, not curbing free speech and calls for murder.? Khaled al-Hroub, a professor at Cambridge University, writing in Jordan?s Al Dustour newspaper on Sept. 17, translated by Memri, argued that the most ?frightening aspect of what we see today in the streets of Arab and Islamic cities is the disaster of extremism that is flooding our societies and cultures, as well as our behavior. ... This [represents] a total atrophy of thought among wide sectors [of society], as a result of the culture of religious zealotry that was imposed on people for over 50 years, and which brought forth what we witness? today. The Egyptian comedian Bassem Youssef wrote in Al Shorouk, translated by Memri, on Sept. 23: ?We demand that the world respect our feelings, yet we do not respect the feelings of others. We scream blue murder when they outlaw the niqab in some European country or prevent [Muslims] from building minarets in another [European] country ? even though these countries continue to allow freedom of religion, as manifest in the building of mosques and in the preaching [activity] that takes place in their courtyards. Yet, in our countries, we do not allow others to publicly preach their beliefs. Maybe we should examine ourselves before [criticizing] others.? Whenever I was asked during the Iraq war, ?How will you know when we?ve won?? I gave the same answer: When Salman Rushdie can give a lecture in Baghdad; when there is real freedom of speech in the heart of the Arab Muslim world. There is no question that we need a respectful dialogue between Islam and the West, but, even more, we need a respectful dialogue between Muslims and Muslims. What matters is not what Arab Muslim political parties and groupings tell us they stand for. What matters is what they tell?themselves, in their own languages, about what they stand for and what excesses?they?will not tolerate. This internal debate had long been stifled by Arab autocrats whose regimes traditionally suppressed extremist Islamist parties, but never really permitted their ideas to be countered with free speech ? with independent, modernist, progressive interpretations of Islam or by truly legitimate, secular political parties and institutions. Are we seeing the start of that now with the emergence of free spaces and legitimate parties in the Arab world? Again, too early to say, but this moderate backlash to the extremist backlash is worth hailing ? and watching. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 2 11:49:07 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:49:07 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] US & Iran Nukes In-Reply-To: <506B357A.60503@earthlink.net> References: <506B357A.60503@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <506B3723.1000503@earthlink.net> "The True Reason US Fears Iranian Nukes: They Can Deter US Attacks" "GOP Senator Lindsey Graham echoes a long line of US policymakers: Iran must not be allowed to deter US aggression" by Glenn Greenwald http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/02-5 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/02/iran-nukes-deterrence Gerry From vdf at juno.com Tue Oct 2 21:13:10 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 04:13:10 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D Message-ID: <20121002.211310.23720.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hi folks, Our bylaws, at http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/bylaws.shtml, state the following: "2.1.5 The County Council, by agreement of eighty percent (80%) of its members, may authorize the use of the name of the Green Party of Santa Clara County as an endorser or co-sponsor of an event or public statement consistent with the principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform if time issues make the decision necessary before it can be brought before the next general meeting. Any such County Council authorization shall be reported to those present at the next monthly meeting. [Adopted July 1, 2003]2.1.5 The County Council, by agreement of eighty percent (80%) of its members, may authorize the use of the name of the Green Party of Santa Clara County as an endorser or co-sponsor of an event or public statement consistent with the principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform if time issues make the decision necessary before it can be brought before the next general meeting. Any such County Council authorization shall be reported to those present at the next monthly meeting. [Adopted July 1, 2003]" Hope this helps. Best regards, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/ Don't waste your vote: http://www.jillstein.org/only_wasted_vote First TV ad: http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:12:16 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: Gerry Gras Cc: GPSCC Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D On 10/1/2012 8:49 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > What's the threshold for the vote? Do you need all 5 or is 4 > enough? Great question. There may be official rules, but I don't know them. For the sake of expediency, I've felt that a majority of the County Council supporting something with no known opposition should be enough. If there is opposition, then we should revert to the traditional Green consensus rule. Thus, 3 votes for and 2 abstentions (or not yet replying) should be enough with something working against a deadline. With 4 votes for and 1 against, I would want the 4 to reconsider, per the standard Green consensus rule. Beyond that, I exercise my vote with sensitivity to how the membership in general is likely to react to a particular issue. This issue was discussed first only among the County Council. I forwarded it to GPSCC precisely so we could get a broader discussion of the issue: I didn't want to make this decision in secret. If others feel the Santa Clara Greens should NOT endorse Measure D, I want to hear their concerns before John has to print his newsletter. I'm willing to change my vote and state that we do not have a consensus if we found substantive opposition within the Green Party membership. For Measure D, I do not anticipate such, which is part of why I so easily endorsed it. Thanks for the question. If you have more to add, please let me know. Spencer > > Gerry > > > Spencer Graves wrote: >> Hello, All: >> >> >> John reminded us of San Jose City Measure D to raise the minimum >> wage to $10 per hour. So far, 3 of the 5 members of the County Council >> have approved supporting Measure D. The other 2 have so far not >> responded. >> >> >> John needs to go to press tomorrow with his Peace Movies >> Newsletter, and wants to announce Green Party support for Measure D. >> Therefore, I officially declare that the Santa Clara Greens are >> supporting Measure D -- unless we hear substantive arguments against it >> in the next few hours; please excuse the short notice. >> >> >> JOHN: >> >> >> Thanks for your work on this. >> >> >> Could I ask you to do one more thing after you go to press with >> your newsletter: Tell me how you want our web site modified to reflect >> this. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Spencer >> >> >> On 10/1/2012 7:14 PM, John Thielking wrote: >>> Spencer, >>> I have just now read the proposition language, I have seen the >>> arguments against it. They claim that it may cost the city $600,000 >>> (for enforcement) and then there are the unsubstantiated claims that >>> paying workers more will result in businesses having reduced operating >>> hours or other undesirable economic impacts. As I told the No On D >>> people, if I could pay my workers $10 per hour in 2006 (the equivalent >>> of $12.30 per hour in 2013 @ 3% inflation per year), you can too (pay >>> your workers $10 per hour in 2013). >>> The city attorney's analysis is available here >>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_d_ia.pdf(but >>> >>> the link to the text of measure D is broken) >>> The complete text of the measure is located here: >>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_dord.pdf >>> >>> Arguments for and against are located here: >>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measures.pdf >>> >>> John Thielking >>> >>> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, Spencer Graves //* >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Spencer Graves >>> Subject: Re: GP SCC position on Measure D >>> To: mkmusic03 at aol.com >>> Cc: pagesincolor at yahoo.com, j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net, >>> rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com >>> Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 1:29 PM >>> >>> John: >>> >>> >>> Have you read the details, at least the rationale of those >>> opposed? >>> >>> >>> Assuming the text actually supports the title, I agree that >>> the Green Party of Santa Clara County would support Measure D. If >>> someone claims the text contradicts and negates the title, I would >>> want to reconsider. Unless either Jim or Drew produce a reason to >>> oppose this, I think we can count it as unanimous: 3 for, 2 no >>> replies sounds like unanimity with a quorum. >>> >>> >>> Spencer >>> >>> >>> On 10/1/2012 1:14 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com >>> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi County Council, >>>> I agree with John on Measure D and I vote for our GPSCC endorsing >>>> the Measure. >>>> Thanks, John, for bringing it to our attention and for putting >>>> our endorsement in your newsletter. >>>> Merriam >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: John Thielking >>>> >>>> To: sosfbay-discuss >>>> ; >>>> merriam k >>>> >>>> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:03 am >>>> Subject: GP SCC position on Measure D >>>> >>>> I'm in favor of endorsing measure D, the San Jose City minimum >>>> wage being set at $10 per hour. As I stated on the No On D >>>> facebook page, I had a broke as mud business from 2006-2008 and >>>> paid my employees $10 per hour ( for the few months that I had >>>> employees). What say you, GP county council members? My >>>> newsletter goes to press on Tuesday this week and I'd like to >>>> have the GP endorsement for measure D if possible before then so >>>> I can include it along with the GP SCC positions on the other >>>> ballot propositions. Thanks. >>>> John Thielking > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ Gaviscon® Official Site Gaviscon® Relieves Heartburn Fast! See Products, Heartburn Info & More http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/506bbb78dc4523b780542st03vuc From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 2 22:03:42 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 22:03:42 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] tabling at Gavilan College Message-ID: <506BC72E.4080402@sbcglobal.net> Unfortunately I will be away on the 9-th and perhaps even the 10-th. Were I free I would jump on this one - that is, I recommend that someone table at this event - so I can only ask who is available and willing? The last time we were there the student body had invited us. This time it is the faculty. Please let them know that we will be there. Jim Doyle Original message: Green Party tabling at Gavilan College October 9-10? Dear friends at the Green Party in Santa Clara County, The Gavilan College Faculty Association will be holding a voter registration and education event on October 9-10 from 11-2 on the Gavilan College campus in Gilroy. We will be signing up voters, giving away pizza, and encouraging students to inform themselves about issues and politics. We would like to invite your group to participate by bringing materials for students to learn about your goals and stances. If you can come, please reply to myself and Ken Wagman, above, asap. He will provide you with a parking permit and directions to the event, which will be between the library and the Natural Sciences building on these two days. If you could possibly bring a card table and chair, that would help too! Sincerely, Leah Halper GCFA president From: lhalper at garlic.com Ken Wagman From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Wed Oct 3 04:23:41 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 04:23:41 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D In-Reply-To: <20121002.211310.23720.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20121002.211310.23720.3@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <506C203D.70101@prodsyse.com> Hi, Valerie: Thanks for your help with this. I should have checked it myself. However, I didn't know where to look until you pointed us to it. Fortunately, in this case we had 4 of the 5 County Council members voting; it's good that the County Council now has 5 members, so we don't need all of them voting to get 80%.) Best Wishes, Spencer On 10/2/2012 9:13 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > Hi folks, > > Our bylaws, at http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/bylaws.shtml, state the following: > > "2.1.5 The County Council, by agreement of eighty percent (80%) of its members, may authorize the use of the name of the Green Party of Santa Clara County as an endorser or co-sponsor of an event or public statement consistent with the principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform if time issues make the decision necessary before it can be brought before the next general meeting. Any such County Council authorization shall be reported to those present at the next monthly meeting. [Adopted July 1, 2003]2.1.5 The County Council, by agreement of eighty percent (80%) of its members, may authorize the use of the name of the Green Party of Santa Clara County as an endorser or co-sponsor of an event or public statement consistent with the principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform if time issues make the decision necessary before it can be brought before the next general meeting. Any such County Council authorization shall be reported to those present at the next monthly meeting. [Adopted July 1, 2003]" > > Hope this helps. > > Best regards, > Valerie > > > ~*~*~*~ > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America > Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/ > Don't waste your vote: http://www.jillstein.org/only_wasted_vote > First TV ad: http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:12:16 -0700 > From: Spencer Graves > To: Gerry Gras > Cc: GPSCC > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] GP SCC position on Measure D > > > On 10/1/2012 8:49 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: >> What's the threshold for the vote? Do you need all 5 or is 4 >> enough? > > Great question. There may be official rules, but I don't know > them. For the sake of expediency, I've felt that a majority of the > County Council supporting something with no known opposition should be > enough. If there is opposition, then we should revert to the > traditional Green consensus rule. Thus, 3 votes for and 2 abstentions > (or not yet replying) should be enough with something working against a > deadline. With 4 votes for and 1 against, I would want the 4 to > reconsider, per the standard Green consensus rule. > > > Beyond that, I exercise my vote with sensitivity to how the > membership in general is likely to react to a particular issue. This > issue was discussed first only among the County Council. I forwarded it > to GPSCC precisely so we could get a > broader discussion of the issue: I didn't want to make this decision in > secret. If others feel the Santa Clara Greens should NOT endorse > Measure D, I want to hear their concerns before John has to print his > newsletter. I'm willing to change my vote and state that we do not have > a consensus if we found substantive opposition within the Green Party > membership. For Measure D, I do not anticipate such, which is part of > why I so easily endorsed it. > > > Thanks for the question. If you have more to add, please let me > know. > > > Spencer > >> Gerry >> >> >> Spencer Graves wrote: >>> Hello, All: >>> >>> >>> John reminded us of San Jose City Measure D to raise the minimum >>> wage to $10 per hour. So far, 3 of the 5 members of the County Council >>> have approved supporting Measure D. The other 2 have so far not >>> responded. >>> >>> >>> John needs to go to press tomorrow with his Peace Movies >>> Newsletter, and wants to announce Green Party support for Measure D. >>> Therefore, I officially declare that the Santa Clara Greens are >>> supporting Measure D -- unless we hear substantive arguments against it >>> in the next few hours; please excuse the short notice. >>> >>> >>> JOHN: >>> >>> >>> Thanks for your work on this. >>> >>> >>> Could I ask you to do one more thing after you go to press with >>> your newsletter: Tell me how you want our web site modified to reflect >>> this. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Spencer >>> >>> >>> On 10/1/2012 7:14 PM, John Thielking wrote: >>>> Spencer, >>>> I have just now read the proposition language, I have seen the >>>> arguments against it. They claim that it may cost the city $600,000 >>>> (for enforcement) and then there are the unsubstantiated claims that >>>> paying workers more will result in businesses having reduced operating >>>> hours or other undesirable economic impacts. As I told the No On D >>>> people, if I could pay my workers $10 per hour in 2006 (the equivalent >>>> of $12.30 per hour in 2013 @ 3% inflation per year), you can too (pay >>>> your workers $10 per hour in 2013). >>>> The city attorney's analysis is available here >>>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_d_ia.pdf(but >>>> >>>> the link to the text of measure D is broken) >>>> The complete text of the measure is located here: >>>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measure_dord.pdf >>>> >>>> Arguments for and against are located here: >>>> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/clerk/elections/2012Election/november/measure_forms/measures.pdf >>>> >>>> John Thielking >>>> >>>> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, Spencer Graves //* >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Spencer Graves >>>> Subject: Re: GP SCC position on Measure D >>>> To: mkmusic03 at aol.com >>>> Cc: pagesincolor at yahoo.com, j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net, >>>> rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com >>>> Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 1:29 PM >>>> >>>> John: >>>> >>>> >>>> Have you read the details, at least the rationale of those >>>> opposed? >>>> >>>> >>>> Assuming the text actually supports the title, I agree that >>>> the Green Party of Santa Clara County would support Measure D. If >>>> someone claims the text contradicts and negates the title, I would >>>> want to reconsider. Unless either Jim or Drew produce a reason to >>>> oppose this, I think we can count it as unanimous: 3 for, 2 no >>>> replies sounds like unanimity with a quorum. >>>> >>>> >>>> Spencer >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/1/2012 1:14 PM, mkmusic03 at aol.com >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi County Council, >>>>> I agree with John on Measure D and I vote for our GPSCC endorsing >>>>> the Measure. >>>>> Thanks, John, for bringing it to our attention and for putting >>>>> our endorsement in your newsletter. >>>>> Merriam >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: John Thielking >>>>> >>>>> To: sosfbay-discuss >>>>> ; >>>>> merriam k >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:03 am >>>>> Subject: GP SCC position on Measure D >>>>> >>>>> I'm in favor of endorsing measure D, the San Jose City minimum >>>>> wage being set at $10 per hour. As I stated on the No On D >>>>> facebook page, I had a broke as mud business from 2006-2008 and >>>>> paid my employees $10 per hour ( for the few months that I had >>>>> employees). What say you, GP county council members? My >>>>> newsletter goes to press on Tuesday this week and I'd like to >>>>> have the GP endorsement for measure D if possible before then so >>>>> I can include it along with the GP SCC positions on the other >>>>> ballot propositions. Thanks. >>>>> John Thielking >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 3 09:08:30 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 09:08:30 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: The first presidential debate is tonight and we WILL be heard! In-Reply-To: <506c55b4a609c_357518c9eec761c1@app4.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <506c55b4a609c_357518c9eec761c1@app4.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <506C62FE.1010205@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jill Stein for President Subject: The first presidential debate is tonight and we WILL be heard! Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:11:48 +0000 Size: 20909 URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 09:25:15 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP CC needs to vote on this item ASAP Re: Peace Fair Beneficiary Message-ID: <1349281515.7439.YahooMailClassic@web111112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sending this again as it did not go to the list the first time: ? What say you, oh GP County Council re: making the SJ Peace Center be the sole beneficiary of the Holiday Peace Fair?? I say yes. What do the rest of you say? ? Holiday Peace Fair Meeting Thursday 10/4 5:30-7PM ? Thanks to all who replied about whether you can attend the meeting on Thursday, support for the proposal to have the San Jose Peace and Justice Center be the sole beneficiary this year, and also regarding your willingness to do important tasks to prepare for this 30th HPF. Several of the essential roles are covered even before this first meeting! And we have confirmed the location and date for the HPF: Saturday, December 1, back at the Campbell United Methodist Church (definitely the best location we have had for many years!) The meeting this Thursday, October 4, will start at 5:30 PM and can last until 7 PM instead of the earlier limit of one hour. (another group's 7 PM reservation has been cancelled)???The location is the San Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street (1/2 block north of San Jose State University). In order to get the flyer and other publicity started, we need to decide on the beneficiary organization(s) at this meeting.? If you have not already, PLEASE SEND YOUR INPUT before this meeting for that decision if you or someone else from your organization cannot attend the meeting. This is the 30th anniversary year for the HPF.? Last time we had a "big" anniversary (the 25th) the SJ Peace and Justice Center, with which most of our groups are affiliated, very much needed funds and we decided to make it the beneficiary.? In the past couple years we have not always had clear preferences for two beneficiary organizations, local and international.? The SJ Peace and Justice Center is doing a LOT of programming and definitely needs more funding for staff time.? No group has expressed opposition to the idea that we make the peace center the sole beneficiary at least for this year -- and perhaps into the foreseeable future.? The funds that are raised (and those "leftover" beyond the expenses of the HPF) are not a huge amount of money, but we could do a more vigorous job of requesting donations (in addition to the $2 ticket donations at the door from people who do not already have tickets distributed by the participant organizations). More peace center staff time is needed so that, for example, Shelby Minister, the peace center staff, can fully function as co-chair of the HPF committee -- and hopefully become the primary organizer next year. At this first meeting, we'll also discuss how to focus on the 30th HPF anniversary, the plan for entertainment, and several other matters. If you have any comments/ideas that may not have been included in your organization's evaluation form after last year's HPF, please email those immediately if possible or call me. Also please let us know who will be representing your organization at the other two HPF planning meetings, which will probably be on weekday evenings. If your organization will not be participating in the Holiday Peace Fair this year, please let us know. Thanks! Joan Goddard 408-396-8039 (cell -- call anytime!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 09:13:57 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 09:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Item for the GP CC to vote on ASAP [Fwd: Holiday Peace Fair meeting Thursday 10/4 - 5:30-7 PM at SJ peace center] In-Reply-To: <506BC8E6.9090000@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1349280837.57622.YahooMailClassic@web111116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What say you oh GP county council re: making the San Jose Peace Center be the sole beneficiary of the 30th annual Peace Fair?? I say yes.? What do the rest of you say? ? John Thielking --- On Tue, 10/2/12, Jim Doyle wrote: From: Jim Doyle Subject: [Fwd: Holiday Peace Fair meeting Thursday 10/4 - 5:30-7 PM at SJ peace center] To: "John Thielking" Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 10:11 PM John, I am on their email list so I forward this to you in case you are not yet on their email list. Jim Doyle Holiday Peace Fair meeting Thursday 10/4 - 5:30-7 PM at SJ peace center Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:02 AM From: "Joan Goddard" To: "Holiday Peace Fair lists" Thanks to all who replied about whether you can attend the meeting on Thursday, support for the proposal to have the San Jose Peace and Justice Center be the sole beneficiary this year, and also regarding your willingness to do important tasks to prepare for this 30th HPF. Several of the essential roles are covered even before this first meeting! And we have confirmed the location and date for the HPF: Saturday, December 1, back at the Campbell United Methodist Church (definitely the best location we have had for many years!) The meeting this Thursday, October 4, will start at 5:30 PM and can last until 7 PM instead of the earlier limit of one hour. (another group's 7 PM reservation has been cancelled)???The location is the San Jose Peace and Justice Center, 48 South 7th Street (1/2 block north of San Jose State University). In order to get the flyer and other publicity started, we need to decide on the beneficiary organization(s) at this meeting.? If you have not already, PLEASE SEND YOUR INPUT before this meeting for that decision if you or someone else from your organization cannot attend the meeting. This is the 30th anniversary year for the HPF.? Last time we had a "big" anniversary (the 25th) the SJ Peace and Justice Center, with which most of our groups are affiliated, very much needed funds and we decided to make it the beneficiary.? In the past couple years we have not always had clear preferences for two beneficiary organizations, local and international.? The SJ Peace and Justice Center is doing a LOT of programming and definitely needs more funding for staff time.? No group has expressed opposition to the idea that we make the peace center the sole beneficiary at least for this year -- and perhaps into the foreseeable future.? The funds that are raised (and those "leftover" beyond the expenses of the HPF) are not a huge amount of money, but we could do a more vigorous job of requesting donations (in addition to the $2 ticket donations at the door from people who do not already have tickets distributed by the participant organizations). More peace center staff time is needed so that, for example, Shelby Minister, the peace center staff, can fully function as co-chair of the HPF committee -- and hopefully become the primary organizer next year. At this first meeting, we'll also discuss how to focus on the 30th HPF anniversary, the plan for entertainment, and several other matters. If you have any comments/ideas that may not have been included in your organization's evaluation form after last year's HPF, please email those immediately if possible or call me. Also please let us know who will be representing your organization at the other two HPF planning meetings, which will probably be on weekday evenings. If your organization will not be participating in the Holiday Peace Fair this year, please let us know. Thanks! Joan Goddard 408-396-8039 (cell -- call anytime!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 3 12:11:55 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:11:55 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Presidential Debate - 4 Candidates? Message-ID: <506C8DFB.4000509@earthlink.net> FYI, The Presidential Debate between Obama and Romney begins tonight at 9PM Eastern Time, and 6PM Pacific Time. There will also be a third party debate with Jill Stein (Green) and Rocky Anderson (Justice) tonight at 8:30PM Eastern Time, and 5:30PM Pacific Time. I don't know of any debate including Gary Johnson (Libertarian) or Rosanne Barr (Peace and Freedom). The debate with Stein and Anderson is being done by Democracy Now: http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2012/9/28/third_party_candidates_to_join_in_real_time_on_democracy_now_s_live_coverage_of_first_pres_debate http://www.democracynow.org/ and available at: http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/03-0 NOTE: The Democracy Now debate begins (half hour) BEFORE the MSM debate. And I think they end at the same time. And it appears to be including the responses from Obama, Romney, Stein, and Anderson. I don't see how Democracy Now expects to include all the questions and all the answers from 4 candidates. Maybe MSM has a lot of ads, and Democracy Now has none? Maybe Democracy Now will not include the responses from Obama and Romney. (MSM = mainstream media) Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Wed Oct 3 12:18:16 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:18:16 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP CC needs to vote on this item ASAP Re: Peace Fair Beneficiary In-Reply-To: <1349283190.74435.androidMobile@web124502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1349283190.74435.androidMobile@web124502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <506C8F78.2010207@prodsyse.com> 1. I concur with John's proposal. I think this makes 3: We also need either Merriam or Jim to make it official, because we now have John, Drew and me. 2. I'm happy to have these discussions on the list, because it gives others a chance to speak for or against before the County Council's decision is finalized. If someone not on the County Council supports or opposes something, it could influence my decision: In my judgment, the County Council should decide issues that are time sensitive AND for which we would expect a consensus of the group. Posting to gives members a chance to indicate a lack of consensus when I might otherwise expect one. Best Wishes, Spencer On 10/3/2012 9:53 AM, Drew wrote: > > I consent. > > On a side note i'm feeling a bit concerned about the apperent trend of > putting things intended for the Council on the chat list. Some items > may need to go there, but I'd prefer if generally the Council > discussed it and moved the discussion and vote there intentionally if > appropriate. Our Council list (which needs some fixing up) can be open > for all to view so no transparency is lost without clogging this > channel with mundane business items. > > Green is GO! > > Drew > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 15:38:39 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP CC needs to vote on this item ASAP Re: Peace Fair Beneficiary In-Reply-To: <506C8F78.2010207@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <1349303919.57945.YahooMailClassic@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It is now unanimous.? The SJ Peace center has the GP vote at the Peace Fair meeting to be the sole beneficiary of the Peace Fair.? Thanks everyone. ? John Thielking --- On Wed, 10/3/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] GP CC needs to vote on this item ASAP Re: Peace Fair Beneficiary To: "Drew" , "Merriam Kathaleen" , "Jim Doyle" Cc: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens org" , "pagesincolor at yahoo com" Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 12:18 PM ????? 1.? I concur with John's proposal.? I think this makes 3:? We also need either Merriam or Jim to make it official, because we now have John, Drew and me.? ????? 2.? I'm happy to have these discussions on the list, because it gives others a chance to speak for or against before the County Council's decision is finalized.? If someone not on the County Council supports or opposes something, it could influence my decision:? In my judgment, the County Council should decide issues that are time sensitive AND for which we would expect a consensus of the group.? Posting to gives members a chance to indicate a lack of consensus when I might otherwise expect one.? ????? Best Wishes, ????? Spencer On 10/3/2012 9:53 AM, Drew wrote: I consent. On a side note i'm feeling a bit concerned about the apperent trend of putting things intended for the Council on the chat list. Some items may need to go there, but I'd prefer if generally the Council discussed it and moved the discussion and vote there intentionally if appropriate. Our Council list (which needs some fixing up) can be open for all to view so no transparency is lost without clogging this channel with mundane business items. Green is GO! Drew Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. 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And it has a pdf file, with a LOT of info, (probably more than you want): http://www.ips-dc.org/files/5290/Inequality-Report-Card.pdf Gerry From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 3 18:42:35 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 18:42:35 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] green pages Message-ID: <506CE98B.3050906@sbcglobal.net> Our order of one bundle of 50 Green Pages has arrived. at my house. Next we need to get it into your hands. Here is a partial list of contents: p 2 On the Stein / Honkala Campaign Trail p3 half page each About Jill Stein / Cheri Honkala p4 Summary of the Green new Deal last page donation form included those should be good items for tabling. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 3 22:21:07 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:21:07 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] tabling at Gavilan College In-Reply-To: <506BC72E.4080402@sbcglobal.net> References: <506BC72E.4080402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <506D1CC3.30501@earthlink.net> So far, Caroline is the only one who has volunteered. She is willing to transport materials and people. Do we have another volunteer or two? We will need a table, chairs, and canopy, (it will be outside). I don't know what literature is needed. It's only 11-2, on 10/9 and 10/10 at Gavilan College. Gerry Jim Doyle wrote: > Unfortunately I will be away on the 9-th > and perhaps even the 10-th. > > Were I free I would jump on this one - that is, I recommend that > someone table at this event - so I can only ask > who is available and willing? > > The last time we were there the student body had invited us. > This time it is the faculty. > > Please let them know that we will be there. > > Jim Doyle > > Original message: > > Green Party tabling at Gavilan College October 9-10? > > Dear friends at the Green Party in Santa Clara County, > > The Gavilan College Faculty Association will be holding a voter > registration and education event on October 9-10 from 11-2 on the > Gavilan College campus in Gilroy. We will be signing up voters, giving > away pizza, and encouraging students to inform themselves about issues > and politics. > From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 4 02:26:24 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 02:26:24 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] tabling at Gavilan College In-Reply-To: <506D1CC3.30501@earthlink.net> References: <506BC72E.4080402@sbcglobal.net> <506D1CC3.30501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <506D5640.7070105@prodsyse.com> On 10/3/2012 10:21 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > So far, Caroline is the only one who has volunteered. > She is willing to transport materials and people. > > Do we have another volunteer or two? > We will need a table, chairs, and canopy, > (it will be outside). Caroline picked up the Green banner and some other materials from my garage yesterday but not the canopy. If the canopy is required, I think she would want someone else to take charge of picking it up, erecting it, and taking it down afterward. Spencer > > I don't know what literature is needed. > > It's only 11-2, on 10/9 and 10/10 at Gavilan College. > > > Gerry > > > Jim Doyle wrote: >> Unfortunately I will be away on the 9-th >> and perhaps even the 10-th. >> >> Were I free I would jump on this one - that is, I recommend that >> someone table at this event - so I can only ask >> who is available and willing? >> >> The last time we were there the student body had invited us. >> This time it is the faculty. >> >> Please let them know that we will be there. >> >> Jim Doyle >> >> Original message: >> >> Green Party tabling at Gavilan College October 9-10? >> >> Dear friends at the Green Party in Santa Clara County, >> >> The Gavilan College Faculty Association will be holding a voter >> registration and education event on October 9-10 from 11-2 on the >> Gavilan College campus in Gilroy. 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URL: From alexcathy at aol.com Thu Oct 4 09:26:59 2012 From: alexcathy at aol.com (alexcathy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bruce Dixon: "Why This Black Man is Voting Green" Message-ID: <8CF706436222532-D88-3A8B@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com> Dear Friends, FOR THE RECORD: BRUCE A. DIXON SPEAKS FOR ME Peace and Love, Alex Walker L.A. Greens Posted on Black Agenda Report, October 3, 2012 Why This Black Man Is Watching the Debates, and Voting Green By Bruce A. Dixon I can't say I'm not mad at anybody. If being ripped off and lied to, and having murders committed in your name around the world don't make you mad, there's something wrong with you, and whatever is wrong with me, it's not that. I'll be watching tonight's presidential debates, but like most people, I already know what I'll do on November 6. I won't vote Republican, because among other things, the GOP is the permanent party of white supremacy. Republicans are also the permanent party of Wall Street, the party of Big Agriculture, the party of Big Insurance, Big Oil, Big Real Estate, Big Pharma, of more nukes Republicans are the party of privatizers, jailers, charter schools and military contractors. Republicans started the 40 years war on drugs, and of course they remain the party of Empire and Permanent War. Republicans hate brown people and threaten to jail and deport as many as they possibly can. Democrats on the other hand, are the permanent party of Wall Street. Democrats are the party of Big Agriculture, Big Insurance, Big Oil, Big Real Estate, Big Pharma and more nukes, more jails and continuing the 40 years war on drugs. Democrats are the party of more privatizations --- Corey Booker is trying to privatize the water in Newark New Jersey for instance. Democrats are the party of military contractors and charter schools as well. When Obama Secretary of Education Arne Duncan ran the school system in Chicago he gave several high schools and even a middle school to the US military to run as their own charter schools. Obama's Race To The Top program bludgeons school districts around the country into closing public schools, firing teachers and replacing them with charters, and is lauded by Democrat big city mayors in places like Los Angeles, Chicago, and Philadelphia. Unlike Republicans, Democrats often say they like brown people, and they get the lion's share of the Latino vote. But President Obama's words don't match his actions. Obama has deported more brown people in 3 years than the last three Republicans put together. On the good side, this Democratic president, and many other Democrats even support gay marriage and the right to access birth control and abortions. And although Democratic congressional leaders, when they controlled the House during and after Katrina, refused to hold hearings on the disaster because they were afraid of looking too pro-black, Democrats are emphatically NOT the party of white supremacy. In fact all the black elected officials elected with majorities of actual black votes are Democrats. So there are differences. But down here on the ground where people actually live, those differences don't amount to much. Both are war parties, parties of the rich, parties that want to privatize roads, water, public schools (that's what charters are about --- privatization!) parties that will continue the war on drugs and policies that feed our American prison state. I grew up believing my vote meant something, that it was my voice. The people I called my teachers taught me to raise my voice against unjust wars and economic oppression, the same way I'd raise it against racism. Exchanging a few white faces in city halls, legislatures and the White House for black and brown ones isn't really such a big deal. What passes for black political power nowadays isn't such a big deal to me because poverty rates are as high now as when a bygone Democratic president declared a war on poverty --- a project that failed because he spent all the money in a colonial war that killed millions in Vietnam, and climbing still higher. Prolonging the careers of black Democrats like Atlanta's Kasim Reed, Newark's Corey Booker, Philly's Mike Nutter or even of congressmen John Lewis and Jim Clyburn as they front for gentrifiers, charter schools, and power companies that build new nukes in the middle of poor black towns being poisoned by old ones is just not anything I want to do with my voice. I can see why all the big preachers want black folks to vote Democratic. Most of them are part of, or aspiring parts of the black political class, the black misleadership class themselves. Many depend on so-called ?faith based? funding to keep their ministries alive. The black church has been captured, and is a kind of ?state religion? of the black political class, divorced from the lives of the class of black people who provide over 40% of the nation's prisoners. I'm an old guy now, past sixty but not yet senior enough for Medicare, and I've been in the movement a long time. Younger people sometimes ask me what to do. After telling them not to respect their elders all that much --- we didn't respect them that much 45 years ago either --- the main thing I tell them is that movement leaders and participants back in the day had visions and horizons longer than the next election cycle or the one after that. They were prepared to fight whether they had allies in city hall, the legislature or the courts or not. Unlike today's NAACP and NAN, they developed agendas without the guidance of corporate funders and their recommended professionals. We've proved we can elect as many Democrats as we want, all the way up the food chain without changing much here at the bottom. I know this well. I gave more than 20 years of my own life to electing better Democrats, helping Democrats run better campaigns, and registering more Democrat voters. I met Barack Obama 20 years ago on one of those gigs in Project VOTE Illinois, where he was state director and I was one of three field organizers who signed up 130,000 new voters and flogged them out to the polls that year. We elected Harold Washington, and a lot of state legislators and a few Congressional reps. The Democratic party will still let you work for it, but once in office, big money calls the shots. It's time to leave that house and build a new one. It's an uncomfortable truth: the present US political system is largely people-proof and democracy-proof. The time and treasure we've sunk into supporting Democrats the last seventy years is gone. It's a horse we raised and watered and fed that somebody else has ridden off and it won't be back. I still believe my voice and my vote mean something. Kwame Toure used to say the thing to do is find an organization you're in substantial agreement with and join it, or if it does not exist, start one and recruit your neighbors. So I've joined the Georgia Green Party, and I'm recruiting those of my neighbors who still believes that unemployment and mass incarceration have to be addressed, that illegal wars and deportations must be stopped, that Wall Street must be reined in, and that gentrification and privatization have to be stopped. Most voters who call themselves Democrats, in fact millions of those voting for President Obama believe exactly these things already, but are substantially disinformed about what their elected officials actually DO. I was at a demonstration in support of Chicago teachers Saturday, and some participants seemed to assume that the president was on their side, that maybe they could enlist figures like Rev. Al Sharpton to aid their struggle to mobilize people against the inroads of school privatizaters. It fell to me to tell them the bad news --- that Sharpton took a half million dollar bribe years ago to jump on the charter school bandwagon, that he toured the country with Newt Gingrich and Arne Duncan beating the bushes for high stakes testing and charters, and the administration is actually the enemy on this one. Eventually they and many like them, if they want a party that stands up for what they believe, will have to become Greens. It's my job to make sure that happens. So I'll watch the debates, sure. The crooks who run them won't let Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate on the same stage with the corporate candidates. So I'll watch Democracy Now's coverage, in which Jill Stein and another candidate in real time answer the same questions as they do. My colleague Glen Ford will be a guest at Occupy The Debates in Baltimore as well. So yes, I'll watch. And I'll vote. But not for a Republican and not for a Democrat, not again. I'll vote like my voice means something. I won't be coerced into voting for a 100% evil Democrat just because the Republicans are 120% evil. I'm voting Green this year, and helping build a Green Party, right here in Georgia where I live. Bruce A. Dixon is managing editor at Black Agenda Report, a state committee member of the GA Green Party, and a partner in a technology firm. He lives and works in Marietta GA. Read Original Article: http://blackagendareport.com/content/why-black-man-watching-debates-and-voting-green -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 4 09:42:00 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:42:00 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bruce Dixon: "Why This Black Man is Voting Green" In-Reply-To: <8CF706436222532-D88-3A8B@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF706436222532-D88-3A8B@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <506DBC58.2050306@prodsyse.com> Hi, Alex: Thanks for this. My sentiments, also. Spencer On 10/4/2012 9:26 AM, alexcathy at aol.com wrote: > Dear Friends, > > FOR THE RECORD: BRUCE A. DIXON SPEAKS FOR ME > > Peace and Love, > > Alex Walker > L.A. Greens > > *Posted on Black Agenda Report, October 3, 2012 > Why This Black Man Is Watching the Debates, and Voting Green > > > By Bruce A. Dixon * > > I can't say I'm not mad at anybody. If being ripped off and lied > to, and having murders committed in your name around the world > don't make you mad, there's something wrong with you, and whatever > is wrong with me, it's not that. I'll be watching tonight's > presidential debates, but like most people, I already know what > I'll do on November 6. > > I won't vote Republican, because among other things, the GOP is > the permanent party of white supremacy. Republicans are also the > permanent party of Wall Street, the party of Big Agriculture, the > party of Big Insurance, Big Oil, Big Real Estate, Big Pharma, of > more nukes Republicans are the party of privatizers, jailers, > charter schools and military contractors. Republicans started the > 40 years war on drugs, and of course they remain the party of > Empire and Permanent War. Republicans hate brown people and > threaten to jail and deport as many as they possibly can. > > Democrats on the other hand, are the permanent party of Wall > Street. Democrats are the party of Big Agriculture, Big Insurance, > Big Oil, Big Real Estate, Big Pharma and more nukes, more jails > and continuing the 40 years war on drugs. Democrats are the party > of more privatizations --- Corey Booker is trying to privatize the > water in Newark New Jersey for instance. > > Democrats are the party of military contractors and charter > schools as well. When Obama Secretary of Education Arne Duncan ran > the school system in Chicago he gave several high schools and even > a middle school to the US military to run as their own charter > schools. Obama's Race To The Top program bludgeons school > districts around the country into closing public schools, firing > teachers and replacing them with charters, and is lauded by > Democrat big city mayors in places like Los Angeles, Chicago, and > Philadelphia. > > Unlike Republicans, Democrats often say they like brown people, > and they get the lion's share of the Latino vote. But President > Obama's words don't match his actions. Obama has deported more > brown people in 3 years than the last three Republicans put together. > > On the good side, this Democratic president, and many other > Democrats even support gay marriage and the right to access birth > control and abortions. And although Democratic congressional > leaders, when they controlled the House during and after Katrina, > refused to hold hearings on the disaster because they were afraid > of looking too pro-black, Democrats are emphatically NOT the party > of white supremacy. In fact all the black elected officials > elected with majorities of actual black votes are Democrats. > > So there are differences. But down here on the ground where people > actually live, those differences don't amount to much. Both are > war parties, parties of the rich, parties that want to privatize > roads, water, public schools (that's what charters are about --- > privatization!) parties that will continue the war on drugs and > policies that feed our American prison state. > > I grew up believing my vote meant something, that it was my voice. > The people I called my teachers taught me to raise my voice > against unjust wars and economic oppression, the same way I'd > raise it against racism. Exchanging a few white faces in city > halls, legislatures and the White House for black and brown ones > isn't really such a big deal. > > What passes for black political power nowadays isn't such a big > deal to me because poverty rates are as high now as when a bygone > Democratic president declared a war on poverty --- a project that > failed because he spent all the money in a colonial war that > killed millions in Vietnam, and climbing still higher. Prolonging > the careers of black Democrats like Atlanta's Kasim Reed, Newark's > Corey Booker, Philly's Mike Nutter or even of congressmen John > Lewis and Jim Clyburn as they front for gentrifiers, charter > schools, and power companies that build new nukes in the middle of > poor black towns being poisoned by old ones is just not anything I > want to do with my voice. > > I can see why all the big preachers want black folks to vote > Democratic. Most of them are part of, or aspiring parts of the > black political class, the black misleadership class themselves. > Many depend on so-called "faith based" funding to keep their > ministries alive. The black church has been captured, and is a > kind of "state religion" of the black political class, divorced > from the lives of the class of black people who provide over 40% > of the nation's prisoners. > > I'm an old guy now, past sixty but not yet senior enough for > Medicare, and I've been in the movement a long time. Younger > people sometimes ask me what to do. After telling them not to > respect their elders all that much --- we didn't respect them that > much 45 years ago either --- the main thing I tell them is that > movement leaders and participants back in the day had visions and > horizons longer than the next election cycle or the one after > that. They were prepared to fight whether they had allies in city > hall, the legislature or the courts or not. Unlike today's NAACP > and NAN, they developed agendas without the guidance of corporate > funders and their recommended professionals. > > We've proved we can elect as many Democrats as we want, all the > way up the food chain without changing much here at the bottom. I > know this well. I gave more than 20 years of my own life to > electing better Democrats, helping Democrats run better campaigns, > and registering more Democrat voters. I met Barack Obama 20 years > ago on one of those gigs in Project VOTE Illinois, where he was > state director and I was one of three field organizers who signed > up 130,000 new voters and flogged them out to the polls that year. > We elected Harold Washington, and a lot of state legislators and a > few Congressional reps. The Democratic party will still let you > work for it, but once in office, big money calls the shots. It's > time to leave that house and build a new one. > > It's an uncomfortable truth: the present US political system is > largely people-proof and democracy-proof. The time and treasure > we've sunk into supporting Democrats the last seventy years is > gone. It's a horse we raised and watered and fed that somebody > else has ridden off and it won't be back. > > I still believe my voice and my vote mean something. Kwame Toure > used to say the thing to do is find an organization you're in > substantial agreement with and join it, or if it does not exist, > start one and recruit your neighbors. > > So I've joined the Georgia Green Party, and I'm recruiting those > of my neighbors who still believes that unemployment and mass > incarceration have to be addressed, that illegal wars and > deportations must be stopped, that Wall Street must be reined in, > and that gentrification and privatization have to be stopped. Most > voters who call themselves Democrats, in fact millions of those > voting for President Obama believe exactly these things already, > but are substantially disinformed about what their elected > officials actually DO. > > I was at a demonstration in support of Chicago teachers Saturday, > and some participants seemed to assume that the president was on > their side, that maybe they could enlist figures like Rev. Al > Sharpton to aid their struggle to mobilize people against the > inroads of school privatizaters. It fell to me to tell them the > bad news --- that Sharpton took a half million dollar bribe years > ago to jump on the charter school bandwagon, that he toured the > country with Newt Gingrich and Arne Duncan beating the bushes for > high stakes testing and charters, and the administration is > actually the enemy on this one. > > Eventually they and many like them, if they want a party that > stands up for what they believe, will have to become Greens. It's > my job to make sure that happens. > > So I'll watch the debates, sure. The crooks who run them won't let > Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate on the same stage with the > corporate candidates. So I'll watch Democracy Now's coverage, in > which Jill Stein and another candidate in real time answer the > same questions as they do. My colleague Glen Ford will be a guest > at Occupy The Debates in Baltimore as well. > > So yes, I'll watch. And I'll vote. But not for a Republican and > not for a Democrat, not again. I'll vote like my voice means > something. I won't be coerced into voting for a 100% evil Democrat > just because the Republicans are 120% evil. I'm voting Green this > year, and helping build a Green Party, right here in Georgia where > I live. > > > > /Bruce A. Dixon is managing editor at Black Agenda Report, a state > committee member of the GA Green Party, and a partner in a > technology firm. He lives and works in Marietta GA. / > > Read Original Article: > http://blackagendareport.com/content/why-black-man-watching-debates-and-voting-green > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Thielking --- On Thu, 10/4/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] tabling at Gavilan College To: "Gerry Gras" Cc: "GPSCC" Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 2:26 AM On 10/3/2012 10:21 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > So far, Caroline is the only one who has volunteered. > She is willing to transport materials and people. > > Do we have another volunteer or two? > We will need a table, chairs, and canopy, > (it will be outside). ? ? ???Caroline picked up the Green banner and some other materials from my garage yesterday but not the canopy.? If the canopy is required, I think she would want someone else to take charge of picking it up, erecting it, and taking it down afterward. ? ? ???Spencer > > I don't know what literature is needed. > > It's only 11-2, on 10/9 and 10/10 at Gavilan College. > > > Gerry > > > Jim Doyle wrote: >> Unfortunately I will be away on the 9-th >> and perhaps even the 10-th. >> >> Were I free I would jump on this one - that is, I recommend that >> someone table at this event - so I can only ask >> who is available and willing? >> >> The last time we were there the student body had invited us. >> This time it is the faculty. >> >> Please let them know that we will be there. >> >> Jim Doyle >> >> Original message: >> >> Green Party tabling at Gavilan College October 9-10? >> >> Dear friends at the Green Party in Santa Clara County, >> >> The Gavilan College Faculty Association will be holding a voter >> registration and education event on October 9-10 from 11-2 on the >> Gavilan College campus in Gilroy. We will be signing up voters, giving >> away pizza, and encouraging students to inform themselves about issues >> and politics. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph:? 408-655-4567 web:? www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. > John Thielking > > --- On *Thu, 10/4/12, Spencer Graves //* > wrote: > > > From: Spencer Graves > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] tabling at Gavilan College > To: "Gerry Gras" > Cc: "GPSCC" > Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 2:26 AM > > On 10/3/2012 10:21 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > > > So far, Caroline is the only one who has volunteered. > > She is willing to transport materials and people. > > > > Do we have another volunteer or two? > > We will need a table, chairs, and canopy, > > (it will be outside). > > > Caroline picked up the Green banner and some other > materials from > my garage yesterday but not the canopy. If the canopy is required, I > think she would want someone else to take charge of picking it up, > erecting it, and taking it down afterward. > > > Spencer > > > > > I don't know what literature is needed. > > > > It's only 11-2, on 10/9 and 10/10 at Gavilan College. > > > > > > Gerry > > > > > > Jim Doyle wrote: > >> Unfortunately I will be away on the 9-th > >> and perhaps even the 10-th. > >> > >> Were I free I would jump on this one - that is, I recommend that > >> someone table at this event - so I can only ask > >> who is available and willing? > >> > >> The last time we were there the student body had invited us. > >> This time it is the faculty. > >> > >> Please let them know that we will be there. > >> > >> Jim Doyle > >> > >> Original message: > >> > >> Green Party tabling at Gavilan College October 9-10? > >> > >> Dear friends at the Green Party in Santa Clara County, > >> > >> The Gavilan College Faculty Association will be holding a voter > >> registration and education event on October 9-10 from 11-2 on the > >> Gavilan College campus in Gilroy. We will be signing up voters, > giving > >> away pizza, and encouraging students to inform themselves about > issues > >> and politics. > >> > > > > > > > > _____ > -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest addition: Pictures and words from Critical Mass's 20th year. The Green pin I got from a Kiwi in Baltimore's on an Oregon quarter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the most brutal, repressive dictatorship on earth, people have the right to say what they want and peaceably assemble and petition for a redress of grievances as long as their speech and assembly pleases the authorities. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) says that free speech means nothing unless it's freedom to say unpopular things. We do not plan to challenge the police, some of whom have lost their homes to foreclosure. Still, if you come, you might be ready to take pictures at any time. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Occuversary Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 21:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Cory Andis To: Shaunn Cartwright , Conrad , Owen Thaxton , Spencer Graves , Joseph Rosas , Susie Barton a Revamp 12-1 Gather, set-up 1-2 March to Banks 2-4 What's going on?,,,,Really, really free market (Cory) Sign making Face painting (Owen) Making of large Occupy sign (Cory) 4-6 Speakers - we got any? SEIU, Voluntarios, Sandy Perry What if we have a speakers corner (like in London) and this is where our speakers will speak...and anyone else who wants to, plus anyone poetry jamming....could have sign up sheet. 6-7 Chow down 7-10 Games --- Ideas...charades with political bent, occupy olympics, scavenger hunt, mock debate about politics taking opposing sides. Visuals - slide show...ongoing (Owen & Joseph) 10-7 Dont know....music?..talking? 7AM - 10 Coffee, chow...couple of games? do charades here? 10-12 Breakdown & clean up Are we having GA at 12:00? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vdf at juno.com Fri Oct 5 18:31:21 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 01:31:21 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tues, Oct 2 meeting to plan Cheri Honkala Hip Hop Ral ly for Weds, Oct 17 Message-ID: <20121005.183121.7624.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hi everyone, Did this meeting happen? Will there be an event? If there will be an event, are volunteers needed? Thanks, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Valerie D. Face" Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:30:38 GMT To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tues, Oct 2 meeting to plan Cheri Honkala Hip Hop Rally for Weds, Oct 17 Hi folks, I was thrilled to read, in the notes from yesterday's GPSCC meeting, that there will be a meeting at Jim's place this Tuesday, October 2nd on planning a Cheri Honkala Hip Hop Rally for Wednesday, October 17th! I have a prior commitment for Tuesday the 2nd, so I can't make it to that meeting, but please keep me in the loop because I'd love to help with the event. I'm keeping the evening of Wednesday the 17th free. I can certainly do more online posting of event announcements, calls and emails to registered Greens, and perhaps other things. I think it's fantastic that we're doing so much for our great Green candidates this year! Best wishes, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/ Upcoming events: http://www.jillstein.org/events First TV ad: http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50664f75627614f754728st02vuc _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From vdf at juno.com Fri Oct 5 23:12:41 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 06:12:41 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Archive of Democracy Now! 3-hour special debate coverage Message-ID: <20121005.231241.1443.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Hi folks, The full 3-hour Democracy Now! "Expanding the Debate" special can be viewed here: http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2012/10/4/expanding_the_debate_watch_democracy_nows_full_three_hour_special Cheers, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/ Don't waste your vote: http://www.jillstein.org/only_wasted_vote First TV ad: http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sat Oct 6 08:55:21 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 08:55:21 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Did Mitt Cheat in the Debate? Message-ID: I don't know, but it appears to be worth further investigation. http://litbrit.blogspot.com/2012/10/mitt-cheat-busted-in-8-frames.html http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2012/10/did-mitt-cheat-sure-looks-like-it.html What does it take to get a guy thrown out of the debate? Besides being Green, I mean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 6 11:15:38 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:15:38 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Chomsky"s concerns In-Reply-To: <50707476.1060105@earthlink.net> References: <50707476.1060105@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5070754A.7050600@earthlink.net> FYI, Chomsky says "There are two issues of overwhelming significance, because the fate of the species is at stake: environmental disaster, and nuclear war." "Issues that Obama and Romney Avoid" http://chomsky.info/articles/20121005.htm Gerry From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 6 11:27:12 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 11:27:12 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] veterans green bus tour Message-ID: <50707800.4010806@sbcglobal.net> -- On *Sat, 10/6/12, Dennis Kyne //* wrote: From: Dennis Kyne Subject: Come join me on Veterans Green Bus Projects on The Veterans Green Bus "Operation Green Zone" To: "vfp_101-owner at yahoogroups.com" Date: Saturday, October 6, 2012, 8:02 AM The Veterans Green Bus "Operation Green Zone" a project of United Peace Relief Dennis Kyne Dennis Kyne has invited you to join Veterans Green Bus Projects on The Veterans Green Bus "Operation Green Zone" Things are tough all over, but Gordon Soderber is rebuilding Detroit the same way he did down in New Olreans after Katrina hit, hope ou will joing the surge.. thanks. The Veterans Green Bus Projects train veterans to document and demonstrate sustainable living and transportation techniques. 3 members 5 discussions Created By: Gordon Soderberg Check out Veterans Green Bus Projects on The Veterans Green Bus "Operation Green Zone": http://unitedpeacerelief.ning.com/group/thebusdepot?xgi=1smcFMIe3IxcjV&xg_source=msg_invite_group About The Veterans Green Bus "Operation Green Zone" Veterans creating sustainable future and clean environment for peaceful communities. 40 members 250 photos 8 videos 17 discussions 11 Events 12 blog posts To control which emails you receive on The Veterans Green Bus "Operation Green Zone", click here __._,_.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Web address: groups.yahoo.com/group/VFP_101/ From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 6 15:30:24 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 15:30:24 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? In-Reply-To: <298D3476-ED89-435F-9C6D-0FD45B705863@feinstein.org> References: <298D3476-ED89-435F-9C6D-0FD45B705863@feinstein.org> Message-ID: <5070B100.8080607@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:46:38 -0700 From: Mike Feinstein To: GPCA Forum The state party is putting together press releases on Props 34 and 36 and would like to quote people who have been active on these issues within our party for a long time Prop 34 - end death penalty http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/34 Prop 36 - amend three strikes http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/36 _______________________________________________ gpca-forum mailing list gpca-forum at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum From fredlois2 at gmail.com Sat Oct 6 18:08:29 2012 From: fredlois2 at gmail.com (fred Duperrault) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:08:29 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? In-Reply-To: <5070B100.8080607@earthlink.net> References: <298D3476-ED89-435F-9C6D-0FD45B705863@feinstein.org> <5070B100.8080607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I think Valerie Face has focused on the "death penalty" issue more than anyone. Fred D. On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death > penalty and on amend three strikes? > Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:46:38 -0700 > From: Mike Feinstein > To: GPCA Forum > > The state party is putting together press releases on Props 34 and 36 > and would like to quote people who have been active on these issues > within our party for a long time > > Prop 34 - end death penalty > http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/34 > > Prop 36 - amend three strikes > http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/36 > _______________________________________________ > gpca-forum mailing list > gpca-forum at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 7 15:25:53 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 15:25:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 20 million dollars. In-Reply-To: <5071fe1d1e3fc_43371e5f6f4985dd@app3.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <5071fe1d1e3fc_43371e5f6f4985dd@app3.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <50720171.8060907@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jill Stein Subject: 20 million dollars. Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:11:41 +0000 Size: 10442 URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sun Oct 7 16:25:27 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 16:25:27 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Spencer & 3 others interviewed for television In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50720F67.1090909@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: I was interviewed along with Chip Krug of Occupy Redwood City and Stephen Tabler, VP of Marketing for the San Mateo Credit Union for "Talking with Henrietta". This hour-long interview is being aired at times on "www.epatoday.org/tv.html ", including (I think) on channel 27 at 5 PM today; see "www.epatoday.org/tv.html " for other show times. A 6:51 excerpt is available on YouTube at "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y34Pl0OsSiI&list=UUzPfOtRuqa-7bgvi_ca1iyg&index=1&feature=plcp". Sorry: I should have sent this to you earlier. Best Wishes, Spencer -------- Original Message -------- Subject: The TV Show We Taped Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:53:35 -0700 From: EPA Today To: Spencer Graves Hello Spencer and Betsy, Thanks so much for participating on my show last Thursday. The two of you added much to the show and I'm glad that both of you were able to join me. Information about the show was posted on the East Palo Alto Today website Sunday. Because of technical difficulties, none of the Media Center's show aired Sunday, but the technical problems are apparently fixed and everything is now working properly. Here is the link to the show posting on the EPA Today website, with the times and days the show will air: www.epatoday.org/tv.html . An excerpt from the show was posted on Youtube last night and you can see it on my Youtube channel here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y34Pl0OsSiI&list=UUzPfOtRuqa-7bgvi_ca1iyg&index=1&feature=plcp. Here is the individual link to the show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y34Pl0 OsSiI&feature=share&list=UUzPfOtRuqa-7bgvi_ca1iyg . This morning I posted a message on the Talking with Henrietta Facebook and Twitter pages about the fact that the show we taped is the 100th video show excerpt that I've uploaded to Youtube. So, thanks for being a part of one of my memorable shows. Here is the Facebook link and here is the Twitter link . Please feel free to redistribute any of the above links. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks again, Henrietta -- Henrietta J. Burroughs /East Palo Alto Today/ 2111 University Avenue, #160 P.O. 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Best wishes, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/ Don't waste your vote: http://www.jillstein.org/only_wasted_vote First TV ad: http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: fred Duperrault To: Gerry Gras Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:08:29 -0700 Cc: GPSCC Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? I think Valerie Face has focused on the "death penalty" issue more than anyone. Fred D. On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death > penalty and on amend three strikes? > Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:46:38 -0700 > From: Mike Feinstein > To: GPCA Forum > > The state party is putting together press releases on Props 34 and 36 > and would like to quote people who have been active on these issues > within our party for a long time > > Prop 34 - end death penalty > http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/34 > > Prop 36 - amend three strikes > http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/36 > _______________________________________________ > gpca-forum mailing list > gpca-forum at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50737d0257a717d026563st03vuc From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Mon Oct 8 19:44:44 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:44:44 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? In-Reply-To: <20121008.182359.15136.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20121008.182359.15136.1@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <50738F9C.1010408@prodsyse.com> Hi, All: On 10/8/2012 6:23 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have been somewhat involved, but really only sporadically over the last few years (depending on job commitments, other issues I'm working on and such). I wouldn't be surprised if there are other Greens in the state who have been more involved, and for more years. I reviewed the literature on this in the 1970s. I have not followed the more recent developments in detail, but I think the following is clear: (1) Some studies have found a modest deterrent effect from capital punishment. Others have found no statistically significant effect. I'd be surprised if there were any serious studies that found a large deterrent effect for capital punishment. (2) There are reasonable numbers of former death row inmates walking free today, because subsequent investigative journalists found someone else who admitted to the crime. Other former death row inmates are free today, because other (e.g., DNA) evidence came to light to establish they were wrongly convicted. The record of these and other cases make it fairly clear that many convictions (including in capital cases) have been obtained on the basis of coerced perjury and falsified evidence. (3) The US today has the largest prison population per capital in the world. The primary contributor to the increase in the punitive nature of US law has been changes in the structure of the mainstream commercial media: The increased concentration of ownership of the media has meant that commercial media compete less on content -- especially news content. This has enable a drastic reduction in money spent on investigative journalism. The space has been filled by increased reliance on the "police blotter". Reporting on elite crimes is generally a losing proposition, because the commercial media company could easily lose advertising that would not likely be recouped by increase in the size of the audience -- and they could be sued for libel. However, if the alleged perpetrator is poor, the media can disseminate whatever they want, because they won't lose any advertising, and the alleged perpetrator will not likely sue for libel. Also, the best data on crime in the US is the National Victimization Survey: This is a random sample survey asking people about whether they have been a victim of crime. Changes in law and incarceration rates are not correlated with actual victimization rates but are correlated with changes in the structure of the ownership of the media and with the accompanying editorial policy. (Potter and Kappeler 1998 Constructing Crime: Perspectives on Making News and Social Problems, Waveland Pr.). It's also known that states and nations with high rates of abortion have falling crime rates 15 - 20 years later: States with very restrictive abortion laws have higher crime rates 15 - 20 years later because the immature girls who might otherwise abort don't do a very good job of parenting (Levitt and Dubner 2005 Freakonomics, Harper Torch, pp. 141-142). (4) The primary use of capital punishment from the dawn of human history to the present day has been political. Jesus of Nazareth was tried, convicted and lawfully executed. In his day, the established government had reason to be concerned about potential attacks on authority. A group know as the Zealots were actively assassinating governmental officials (Wikipedia, "Zealotry"). Capital punishment has no more justification today than it did 2,000 years ago. BOTTOM LINE: Changes in public opinion and law on many issues including crime are driven first and foremost by changes in the editorial policies of the media. Changes in incarcerations and capital punishment are not correlated with actual crime rates. Spencer p.s. If you like this, I can polish it a bit more, update my literature search, etc. See the Wikipedia article on "Capital Punishment". > > Best wishes, > Valerie > > > ~*~*~*~ > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America > Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/ > Don't waste your vote: http://www.jillstein.org/only_wasted_vote > First TV ad: http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fred Duperrault > To: Gerry Gras > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:08:29 -0700 > Cc: GPSCC > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most > on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? > > I think Valerie Face has focused on the "death penalty" issue more > than anyone. > > Fred D. > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death >> penalty and on amend three strikes? >> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:46:38 -0700 >> From: Mike Feinstein >> To: GPCA Forum >> >> The state party is putting together press releases on Props 34 and 36 >> and would like to quote people who have been active on these issues >> within our party for a long time >> >> Prop 34 - end death penalty >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/34 >> >> Prop 36 - amend three strikes >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/36 >> _______________________________________________ >> gpca-forum mailing list >> gpca-forum at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum >> >> -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 9 09:57:54 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:57:54 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why Republicans Will be Voting for Obama Message-ID: A Romney win would discredit their dogma. Romney can't win the war in Afghanistan, he can't balance the budget and fix the economy, and he won't end abortion. Only Romney's loss can maintain the myth that tax cuts and trickle down will heal the country. Only that hopeful fantasy will vote in the Republican obstructionists that create their perfect world--their do-nothing Congress is not expected to accomplish anything, a Democratic president takes the blame for everything, and fear of Democratic power keeps the contributions rolling in. The comfy stalemate makes a perfect world for Democrats too--their do-nothing Congress is not expected to accomplish anything, the Republican obstructionists take the blame for everything, and fear of Republican power keeps the contributions rolling in. Meanwhile Dems can dream of a New Camelot--our President so pretty and witty!--while this ruinous gridlock makes a perfect world for the one percent. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 9 10:53:40 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 10:53:40 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Everyone out for debate protests in Kentucky and New York! In-Reply-To: <50744ac91d4c2_79b1a016fc69185@app5.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <50744ac91d4c2_79b1a016fc69185@app5.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <507464A4.3040104@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Everyone out for debate protests in Kentucky and New York! Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:03:21 +0000 From: Jill Stein for President To: Santa Clara County Greens /With four weeks to go until Election Day, we are ratcheting up the pressure to get Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala into the Commission on Presidential Debates' televised debates. Read on for an update from Fair Debates Organizer Carl Gibson about upcoming actions in KY and NY:/ */Dear Friend,/* Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala are being unfairly locked out of the debates by the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) . . . but we refuse to stay silent in the face of this affront to democracy. Instead, we're Occupying the CPD! *occupy_kentucky.jpgJoin Cheri Honkala to Occupy the CPD Vice Presidential Debate at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky on Thursday, October 11!* Occupy activists are organizing some telling street theatre to show how Paul Ryan's austerity plan will balance the budget on the backs of the poor - literally. * * We need as many people as possible to get our message out at the VP debate Thursday night.*Here's how to get involved:* *What: *Paul Ryan "Austerity Wagon" protest with Cheri Honkala* Where: *317 W. Main Street, Danville, KY (6 blocks from Centre campus)* When: *Thursday Oct. 11, 7 PM (action starts at 8 PM sharp) *Click here to RSVP and we will contact you about how to get involved!* We aren't counting on Joe Biden or the debate's tightly-controlled moderator to talk about the failure of austerity - or any of the other issues Americans really need to hear about. Instead, we're taking things into our own hands*.* Speaking of which... *jill_stein_occupywallstreet.jpgJoin Jill Stein to Occupy the CPD Presidential Debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York on Tuesday, October 16!* There's no way the Commission on Presidential Debates would willingly allow Jill Stein on the same stage as Obama and Romney to speak about the issues they want to avoid... so on *Tuesday, October 16th at 4 PM*, Occupy Wall Street activists are teaming up with other groups, including Money Out/Voters In and United NY, for a 99% March on the Debates. The march will start at 4 PM in the heart of Hempstead, just 1.5 miles from Hofstra University, and will be joined by the Big Bird Bloc, an army of activists dressed as America's favorite Sesame Street character to protest recent threats to public media. *Here's how to get involved:* *What: *99% March on the Debates with Jill Stein *Where: *Hempstead, NY *When: *Tuesday Oct. 16, 4 PM *Click here to RSVP and we will contact you about how to get involved!* As badly as the establishment political parties and the corporate media want to ignore and undermine us, we'll show them over the next few weeks through our voices and our actions that we're stronger than ever, that we're fed up with the two-party duopoly on our Democracy, and that we, the people, want a White House that works for us instead of Wall Street. Thanks for everything you do. See you in the streets! */ ~ Carl Gibson/* Jill Stein for President Fair Debates Organizer /p.s. - and please keep telling everyone you know to sign the statement at http://www.OccupytheCPD.org ~ let's keep building this movement!/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /Please take an immediate step by making a donation: http://www.jillstein.org/donate / Authorized and paid for by Jill Stein for President PO Box 260217, Madison, WI 53726-0217 http://www.JillStein.org * * -=-=- Jill Stein for President ? United States This email was sent to santaclara at cagreens.org. To stop receiving emails, click here . You can also keep up with Jill Stein for President on Twitter or Facebook . -=-=- Created with NationBuilder , the essential toolkit leaders. From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Tue Oct 9 16:47:55 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:47:55 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Please attend hearing this Friday, Oct. 12, 9 AM, Dept. 18, Santa Clara County Superior Court, old courthouse building, 161 North First Street, San Jose, CA Message-ID: <5074B7AB.4070809@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: The next hearing in Merritt v. Mozillo is scheduled for this Friday, Oct. 12, 9 AM, in Dept. 18, Santa Clara County Superior Court, old courthouse building, 161 North First Street, San Jos?, CA. For more information, including to confirm the the time, please, "Merritt v Countrywide" at "occupy.pbworks.com". If you can come, please do so. We all want to believe in equal justice under the law. Unfortunately, the development of the current international financial crisis is consistent with the claim that the wealthy write the laws (and control the media) to benefit them.[1] This seems like one more example of the principle enunciated by Anacharsis in ancient Athens that, "Laws are spider webs, which catch the little flies, but cannot hold the big ones."[2] Vaclav Havel, prominent Czech dissident, imprisoned under the Communists and later selected as the first President of post-Communist Czechoslovakia, noted that people were "easily and inconspicuously locked up for copying banned books [but] policemen, prosecutors or judges [would] suddenly and anxiously begin to take particular care that no cracks appear in the ritual" when considering a case that drew substantial attention.[3] Currently, elite financial fraud has reportedly been decriminalized.[4] Your presence in the court this Friday could improve the chances for equal justice under the law. Thanks, Spencer [1] David Graeber (2011) Debt: The First 5000 Years (Melville House) [2] Wikipedia, "Anacharsis" [3] V?clav Havel (1985) The Power of the Powerless (M. E. Sharpe, pp. 75-77) [4] Bill Black (Dec. 28, 2010) "2011 Will Bring More De facto Decriminalization of Elite Financial Fraud", Next New Deal: Blog of the Roosevelt Institute (http://www.nextnewdeal.net/2011-will-bring-more-de-facto-decriminalization-elite-financial-fraud). Paul Jay interview with William K. Black regarding "get tough on banks" claims in Obama's State of the Union message, The Real News Network, c. 9 March 2012 (http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7926). John T. Burke, Jr. (Apr. 16, 2012) "Another Slap On the Wrists", TheCenterLane.Com (www.thecenterlane.com/?tag=savings-and-loan-crisis). William K. Black (2005) The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One (U. of Texas Pr.). -- Spencer Graves, PhD Executive Director effectivedefense.org 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From carolineyacoub at att.net Tue Oct 9 18:07:21 2012 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 18:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? In-Reply-To: <50738F9C.1010408@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <1349831241.55365.YahooMailClassic@web181301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm confused. Who wrote this? Caroline --- On Mon, 10/8/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? To: "Valerie D. Face" Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 7:44 PM Hi, All: On 10/8/2012 6:23 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have been somewhat involved, but really only sporadically over the last few years (depending on job commitments, other issues I'm working on and such).? I wouldn't be surprised if there are other Greens in the state who have been more involved, and for more years. ? ? ? I reviewed the literature on this in the 1970s.? I have not followed the more recent developments in detail, but I think the following is clear: ? ? ? ? ? ? (1) Some studies have found a modest deterrent effect from capital punishment.? Others have found no statistically significant effect.? I'd be surprised if there were any serious studies that found a large deterrent effect for capital punishment. ? ? ? ? ? ? (2) There are reasonable numbers of former death row inmates walking free today, because subsequent investigative journalists found someone else who admitted to the crime.? Other former death row inmates are free today, because other (e.g., DNA) evidence came to light to establish they were wrongly convicted. The record of these and other cases make it fairly clear that many convictions (including in capital cases) have been obtained on the basis of coerced perjury and falsified evidence. ? ? ? ? ? ? (3) The US today has the largest prison population per capital in the world.? The primary contributor to the increase in the punitive nature of US law has been changes in the structure of the mainstream commercial media:? The increased concentration of ownership of the media has meant that commercial media compete less on content -- especially news content.? This has enable a drastic reduction in money spent on investigative journalism.? The space has been filled by increased reliance on the "police blotter". Reporting on elite crimes is generally a losing proposition, because the commercial media company could easily lose advertising that would not likely be recouped by increase in the size of the audience -- and they could be sued for libel.? However, if the alleged perpetrator is poor, the media can disseminate whatever they want, because they won't lose any advertising, and the alleged perpetrator will not likely sue for libel.? Also, the best data on crime in the US is the National Victimization Survey:? This is a random sample survey asking people about whether they have been a victim of crime.? Changes in law and incarceration rates are not correlated with actual victimization rates but are correlated with changes in the structure of the ownership of the media and with the accompanying editorial policy.? (Potter and Kappeler 1998 Constructing Crime:? Perspectives on Making News and Social Problems, Waveland Pr.).? It's also known that states and nations with high rates of abortion have falling crime rates 15 - 20 years later:? States with very restrictive abortion laws have higher crime rates 15 - 20 years later because the immature girls who might otherwise abort don't do a very good job of parenting (Levitt and Dubner 2005 Freakonomics, Harper Torch, pp. 141-142). ? ? ? ? ? ? (4) The primary use of capital punishment from the dawn of human history to the present day has been political.? Jesus of Nazareth was tried, convicted and lawfully executed.? In his day, the established government had reason to be concerned about potential attacks on authority.? A group know as the Zealots were actively assassinating governmental officials (Wikipedia, "Zealotry").? Capital punishment has no more justification today than it did 2,000 years ago. BOTTOM LINE:? Changes in public opinion and law on many issues including crime are driven first and foremost by changes in the editorial policies of the media.? Changes in incarcerations and capital punishment are not correlated with actual crime rates. ? ? ? Spencer p.s. If you like this, I can polish it a bit more, update my literature search, etc.? See the Wikipedia article on "Capital Punishment". > > Best wishes, > Valerie > > > ~*~*~*~ > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America >? ? ???Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/ > Don't waste your vote:? http://www.jillstein.org/only_wasted_vote >? ? ? ? ? ? First TV ad:? http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: fred Duperrault > To: Gerry Gras > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:08:29 -0700 > Cc: GPSCC > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most > ??? on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? > > I think Valerie Face has focused on the "death penalty" issue more > than anyone. > > Fred D. > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death >> penalty and on amend three strikes? >> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:46:38 -0700 >> From: Mike Feinstein >> To: GPCA Forum >> >> The state party is putting together press releases on Props 34 and 36 >> and would like to quote people who have been active on these issues >> within our party for a long time >> >> Prop 34 - end death penalty >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/34 >> >> Prop 36 - amend three strikes >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/36 >> _______________________________________________ >> gpca-forum mailing list >> gpca-forum at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum >> >> -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph:? 408-655-4567 web:? www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 9 18:19:41 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 18:19:41 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? In-Reply-To: <1349831241.55365.YahooMailClassic@web181301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1349831241.55365.YahooMailClassic@web181301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5074CD2D.2080609@earthlink.net> Here's the sequence: - Mike Feinstein sent an email to the GPCA forum list - I forwarded it to the GPSCC list - Fred replied suggesting that Valerie knew more - Valerie made a short reply - Spencer made a lengthy reply with four numbered paragraphs, and a bottom line paragraph - you replied - now I am replying Does that help? Gerry Caroline Yacoub wrote: > I'm confused. Who wrote this? > Caroline > > --- On *Mon, 10/8/12, Spencer Graves //* wrote: > > > From: Spencer Graves > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has > worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? > To: "Valerie D. Face" > Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 7:44 PM > > Hi, All: > > > On 10/8/2012 6:23 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I have been somewhat involved, but really only sporadically over > the last few years (depending on job commitments, other issues I'm > working on and such). I wouldn't be surprised if there are other > Greens in the state who have been more involved, and for more years. > > > I reviewed the literature on this in the 1970s. I have not > followed the more recent developments in detail, but I think the > following is clear: > > > (1) Some studies have found a modest deterrent effect > from capital punishment. Others have found no statistically > significant effect. I'd be surprised if there were any serious > studies that found a large deterrent effect for capital punishment. > > > (2) There are reasonable numbers of former death row > inmates walking free today, because subsequent investigative > journalists found someone else who admitted to the crime. Other > former death row inmates are free today, because other (e.g., DNA) > evidence came to light to establish they were wrongly convicted. The > record of these and other cases make it fairly clear that many > convictions (including in capital cases) have been obtained on the > basis of coerced perjury and falsified evidence. > > > (3) The US today has the largest prison population per > capital in the world. The primary contributor to the increase in > the punitive nature of US law has been changes in the structure of > the mainstream commercial media: The increased concentration of > ownership of the media has meant that commercial media compete less > on content -- especially news content. This has enable a drastic > reduction in money spent on investigative journalism. The space has > been filled by increased reliance on the "police blotter". Reporting > on elite crimes is generally a losing proposition, because the > commercial media company could easily lose advertising that would > not likely be recouped by increase in the size of the audience -- > and they could be sued for libel. However, if the alleged > perpetrator is poor, the media can disseminate whatever they want, > because they won't lose any advertising, and the alleged perpetrator > will not likely sue for libel. Also, the best data on crime in the > US is the National Victimization Survey: This is a random sample > survey asking people about whether they have been a victim of > crime. Changes in law and incarceration rates are not correlated > with actual victimization rates but are correlated with changes in > the structure of the ownership of the media and with the > accompanying editorial policy. (Potter and Kappeler 1998 > Constructing Crime: Perspectives on Making News and Social > Problems, Waveland Pr.). It's also known that states and nations > with high rates of abortion have falling crime rates 15 - 20 years > later: States with very restrictive abortion laws have higher crime > rates 15 - 20 years later because the immature girls who might > otherwise abort don't do a very good job of parenting (Levitt and > Dubner 2005 Freakonomics, Harper Torch, pp. 141-142). > > > (4) The primary use of capital punishment from the dawn > of human history to the present day has been political. Jesus of > Nazareth was tried, convicted and lawfully executed. In his day, > the established government had reason to be concerned about > potential attacks on authority. A group know as the Zealots were > actively assassinating governmental officials (Wikipedia, > "Zealotry"). Capital punishment has no more justification today > than it did 2,000 years ago. > > > BOTTOM LINE: Changes in public opinion and law on many issues > including crime are driven first and foremost by changes in the > editorial policies of the media. Changes in incarcerations and > capital punishment are not correlated with actual crime rates. > > > Spencer > > > p.s. If you like this, I can polish it a bit more, update my > literature search, etc. See the Wikipedia article on "Capital > Punishment". > > > > Best wishes, > > Valerie > > > > > > ~*~*~*~ > > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America > > Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/ > > Don't waste your vote: http://www.jillstein.org/only_wasted_vote > > First TV ad: http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: fred Duperrault > > > To: Gerry Gras > > > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:08:29 -0700 > > Cc: GPSCC > > > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has > worked most > > on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? > > > > I think Valerie Face has focused on the "death penalty" issue more > > than anyone. > > > > Fred D. > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death > >> penalty and on amend three strikes? > >> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:46:38 -0700 > >> From: Mike Feinstein > > >> To: GPCA Forum > > >> > >> The state party is putting together press releases on Props 34 > and 36 > >> and would like to quote people who have been active on these issues > >> within our party for a long time > >> > >> Prop 34 - end death penalty > >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/34 > >> > >> Prop 36 - amend three strikes > >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/36 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gpca-forum mailing list > >> gpca-forum at cagreens.org > > >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum > >> > >> > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD > President and Chief Technology Officer > Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. > 751 Emerson Ct. > San Jos?, CA 95126 > ph: 408-655-4567 > web: www.structuremonitoring.com > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Tue Oct 9 20:46:54 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 20:46:54 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? In-Reply-To: <5074CD2D.2080609@earthlink.net> References: <1349831241.55365.YahooMailClassic@web181301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <5074CD2D.2080609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5074EFAE.4040709@prodsyse.com> On 10/9/2012 6:19 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > Here's the sequence: > - Mike Feinstein sent an email to the GPCA forum list > - I forwarded it to the GPSCC list > - Fred replied suggesting that Valerie knew more > - Valerie made a short reply > - Spencer made a lengthy reply with four numbered paragraphs, > and a bottom line paragraph > - you replied > - now I am replying sg-and I sent my lengthy reply to Mike Feinstein (without bothering this list with a second copy of what I already sent). > > Does that help? > > Gerry > > > Caroline Yacoub wrote: >> I'm confused. Who wrote this? >> Caroline >> >> --- On *Mon, 10/8/12, Spencer Graves //* >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Spencer Graves >> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has >> worked most on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? >> To: "Valerie D. Face" >> Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> Date: Monday, October 8, 2012, 7:44 PM >> >> Hi, All: >> >> >> On 10/8/2012 6:23 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: >> > Hi folks, >> > >> > I have been somewhat involved, but really only sporadically over >> the last few years (depending on job commitments, other issues I'm >> working on and such). I wouldn't be surprised if there are other >> Greens in the state who have been more involved, and for more years. >> >> >> I reviewed the literature on this in the 1970s. I have not >> followed the more recent developments in detail, but I think the >> following is clear: >> >> >> (1) Some studies have found a modest deterrent effect >> from capital punishment. Others have found no statistically >> significant effect. I'd be surprised if there were any serious >> studies that found a large deterrent effect for capital punishment. >> >> >> (2) There are reasonable numbers of former death row >> inmates walking free today, because subsequent investigative >> journalists found someone else who admitted to the crime. Other >> former death row inmates are free today, because other (e.g., DNA) >> evidence came to light to establish they were wrongly convicted. The >> record of these and other cases make it fairly clear that many >> convictions (including in capital cases) have been obtained on the >> basis of coerced perjury and falsified evidence. >> >> >> (3) The US today has the largest prison population per >> capital in the world. The primary contributor to the increase in >> the punitive nature of US law has been changes in the structure of >> the mainstream commercial media: The increased concentration of >> ownership of the media has meant that commercial media compete less >> on content -- especially news content. This has enable a drastic >> reduction in money spent on investigative journalism. The space has >> been filled by increased reliance on the "police blotter". Reporting >> on elite crimes is generally a losing proposition, because the >> commercial media company could easily lose advertising that would >> not likely be recouped by increase in the size of the audience -- >> and they could be sued for libel. However, if the alleged >> perpetrator is poor, the media can disseminate whatever they want, >> because they won't lose any advertising, and the alleged perpetrator >> will not likely sue for libel. Also, the best data on crime in the >> US is the National Victimization Survey: This is a random sample >> survey asking people about whether they have been a victim of >> crime. Changes in law and incarceration rates are not correlated >> with actual victimization rates but are correlated with changes in >> the structure of the ownership of the media and with the >> accompanying editorial policy. (Potter and Kappeler 1998 >> Constructing Crime: Perspectives on Making News and Social >> Problems, Waveland Pr.). It's also known that states and nations >> with high rates of abortion have falling crime rates 15 - 20 years >> later: States with very restrictive abortion laws have higher crime >> rates 15 - 20 years later because the immature girls who might >> otherwise abort don't do a very good job of parenting (Levitt and >> Dubner 2005 Freakonomics, Harper Torch, pp. 141-142). >> >> >> (4) The primary use of capital punishment from the dawn >> of human history to the present day has been political. Jesus of >> Nazareth was tried, convicted and lawfully executed. In his day, >> the established government had reason to be concerned about >> potential attacks on authority. A group know as the Zealots were >> actively assassinating governmental officials (Wikipedia, >> "Zealotry"). Capital punishment has no more justification today >> than it did 2,000 years ago. >> >> >> BOTTOM LINE: Changes in public opinion and law on many issues >> including crime are driven first and foremost by changes in the >> editorial policies of the media. Changes in incarcerations and >> capital punishment are not correlated with actual crime rates. >> >> >> Spencer >> >> >> p.s. If you like this, I can polish it a bit more, update my >> literature search, etc. See the Wikipedia article on "Capital >> Punishment". >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > Valerie >> > >> > >> > ~*~*~*~ >> > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America >> > Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/ >> > Don't waste your vote: http://www.jillstein.org/only_wasted_vote >> > First TV ad: http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 >> > >> > >> > ---------- Original Message ---------- >> > From: fred Duperrault > > >> > To: Gerry Gras > > >> > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:08:29 -0700 >> > Cc: GPSCC > > >> > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has >> worked most >> > on anti-death penalty and on amend three strikes? >> > >> > I think Valerie Face has focused on the "death penalty" issue >> more >> > than anyone. >> > >> > Fred D. >> > >> > On Oct 6, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: [gpca-forum] Who in the party has worked most on >> anti-death >> >> penalty and on amend three strikes? >> >> Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:46:38 -0700 >> >> From: Mike Feinstein > > >> >> To: GPCA Forum > > >> >> >> >> The state party is putting together press releases on Props 34 >> and 36 >> >> and would like to quote people who have been active on these >> issues >> >> within our party for a long time >> >> >> >> Prop 34 - end death penalty >> >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/34 >> >> >> >> Prop 36 - amend three strikes >> >> http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/36 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> gpca-forum mailing list >> >> gpca-forum at cagreens.org >> >> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD >> President and Chief Technology Officer >> Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. >> 751 Emerson Ct. >> San Jos?, CA 95126 >> ph: 408-655-4567 >> web: www.structuremonitoring.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From fredlois2 at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 00:25:14 2012 From: fredlois2 at gmail.com (fred Duperrault) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 00:25:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Everyone out for debate protests in Kentucky and New York! In-Reply-To: <507464A4.3040104@earthlink.net> References: <50744ac91d4c2_79b1a016fc69185@app5.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> <507464A4.3040104@earthlink.net> Message-ID: We should occupy the Democratic Party and Republican Headquarters regularly. Jill Green for President! Fred Duperrault On Oct 9, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Everyone out for debate protests in Kentucky and New York! > Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:03:21 +0000 > From: Jill Stein for President > To: Santa Clara County Greens > > > > /With four weeks to go until Election Day, we are ratcheting up the > pressure to get Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala into the Commission on > Presidential Debates' televised debates. Read on for an update from > Fair > Debates Organizer Carl Gibson about upcoming actions in KY and NY:/ > > */Dear Friend,/* > > Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala are being unfairly locked out of the > debates by the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) . . . but we > refuse to stay silent in the face of this affront to democracy. > Instead, > we're Occupying the CPD! > > *occupy_kentucky.jpgJoin Cheri Honkala to Occupy the CPD Vice > Presidential Debate > > > at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky on Thursday, October 11!* > > Occupy activists are organizing some telling street theatre to show > how > Paul Ryan's austerity plan will balance the budget on the backs of the > poor - literally. * > * > > We need as many people as possible to get our message out at the VP > debate Thursday night.*Here's how to get involved:* > > *What: *Paul Ryan "Austerity Wagon" protest with Cheri Honkala* > Where: *317 W. Main Street, Danville, KY (6 blocks from Centre > campus)* > When: *Thursday Oct. 11, 7 PM (action starts at 8 PM sharp) > > *Click here to RSVP and we will contact you about how to get > involved!* > > > > We aren't counting on Joe Biden or the debate's tightly-controlled > moderator to talk about the failure of austerity - or any of the other > issues Americans really need to hear about. Instead, we're taking > things > into our own hands*.* Speaking of which... > > *jill_stein_occupywallstreet.jpgJoin Jill Stein to Occupy the CPD > Presidential Debate > >at > Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York on Tuesday, October 16!* > > There's no way the Commission on Presidential Debates would willingly > allow Jill Stein on the same stage as Obama and Romney to speak about > the issues they want to avoid... so on *Tuesday, October 16th at 4 > PM*, > Occupy Wall Street activists are teaming up with other groups, > including > Money Out/Voters In and United NY, for a 99% March on the Debates. > > The march will start at 4 PM in the heart of Hempstead, just 1.5 miles > from Hofstra University, and will be joined by the Big Bird Bloc, an > army of activists dressed as America's favorite Sesame Street > character > to protest recent threats to public media. *Here's how to get > involved:* > > *What: *99% March on the Debates with Jill Stein > *Where: *Hempstead, NY > *When: *Tuesday Oct. 16, 4 PM > > *Click here to RSVP and we will contact you about how to get > involved!* > > > > As badly as the establishment political parties and the corporate > media > want to ignore and undermine us, we'll show them over the next few > weeks > through our voices and our actions that we're stronger than ever, that > we're fed up with the two-party duopoly on our Democracy, and that we, > the people, want a White House that works for us instead of Wall > Street. > > Thanks for everything you do. See you in the streets! > > */ ~ Carl Gibson/* > Jill Stein for President > Fair Debates Organizer > > /p.s. - and please keep telling everyone you know to sign the > statement > at http://www.OccupytheCPD.org > > > ~ let's keep building this movement!/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > /Please take an immediate step by making a donation: > http://www.jillstein.org/donate > >/ > > Authorized and paid for by Jill Stein for President > PO Box 260217, Madison, WI 53726-0217 > http://www.JillStein.org > * > * > > -=-=- > Jill Stein for President ? United States > This email was sent to santaclara at cagreens.org. To stop receiving > emails, click here > >. > > You can also keep up with Jill Stein for President on Twitter > > > or Facebook > >. > > -=-=- > > Created with NationBuilder > >, > the essential toolkit leaders. > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 10:37:47 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:37:47 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Dump Citizens United Saturday Message-ID: <5075B26B.3030104@earthlink.net> FYI, This Saturday is another Human Banner day, this time with the message "Dump Citizens United": http://www.humanbannersf.com/ http://www.humanbannersf.com/about For those who are not familiar with these human banners, they use many human bodies to spell out a message, and then take pictures. It has been done by 350.org all over the world. Brad Newsham has been doing it in SF, on Ocean Beach and Crissy Field. He uses a helicopter to take the pictures. Some pictures available at the above website. Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 11:33:52 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:33:52 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Robin Hood Tax advances Message-ID: <5075BF90.1020607@earthlink.net> "As Eleven Nations Pledge Support, Robin Hood Tax Gains Foothold in Europe" http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/10/10-3 Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 12:24:03 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:24:03 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: No laughing matter. In-Reply-To: <5075c7dcc2ce0_6cd1156bef87619b@worker5.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <5075c7dcc2ce0_6cd1156bef87619b@worker5.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <5075CB53.1080903@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Cheri Honkala Subject: No laughing matter. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:09:16 +0000 Size: 12208 URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu Oct 11 09:21:02 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:21:02 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nader is on Krasny (KQED 88.5 FM) Right Now. Message-ID: http://www.kqed.org/radio/listen/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com Thu Oct 11 10:22:18 2012 From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:22:18 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Beall vs. Coto Candidate's forum for State Senate: Friday, Oct. 19, 7 PM Message-ID: <5077004A.6050101@structuremonitoring.com> Hello, All: I've been working with PACT (People Acting in Community Together) as an outgrowth of my foreclosure prevention work. They are organizing a "Candidate's Forum" featuring Jim Beall and Joe Coto, who are competing for the same seat in the California state Senate. The forum will be held a week from Friday, Oct. 19, at 7 PM at Our Lady of Guadalupe church, 2020 E San Antonio St., San Jos?, CA. The candidates will be presented with six questions prepared in advance by PACT activists: two on immigration, two on foreclosures, one on education and public safety, and one on the California budget crisis. They will each have 2.5 minutes to respond. PACT is a nondenominational faith-based coalition including Christian, Jewish, and Muslim communities in San Jos? alone. It is part of the PICO National Network of many other communities of faith. Best Wishes, Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 10:31:14 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:31:14 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Regarding Richard Wingers' upcoming Oct 22nd court hearing ($250, 000 fine!) In-Reply-To: <1349645823.17924.YahooMailClassic@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1349645823.17924.YahooMailClassic@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50770262.5040701@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gpca-forum] Regarding Richard Wingers' upcoming Oct 22nd court hearing ($250, 000 fine!) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Victoria Ashley Hi All, This next court hearing will determine if Richard Winger will be fined $250,000 for daring to challenge Top Two. We need people to take action this week. My understanding is that the judge on the case is expected the make a preliminary decision on the FRIDAY (Oct 19th) before the Monday hearing (Oct 22nd, 9:30 am in the same place, Dept. 302, SF Superior Court, 400 McAllister St., SF 94102). *Therefore, we need to get Letters to the Editor and phone calls out by this FRIDAY (Oct 12th)* if we want the judge to have time to consider them while he creates his response. The best way for those at the court to know we are watching this case is to call them and ask about it and / or make your opinion known about it. The person to call at the court is *Presiding Judge, Katherine Feinstein : (415) 551-3705*. Most likely you will be forwarded to voice mail. http://www.sfsuperiorcourt.org/sites/default/files/images/i_presiding_judge.jpg Presiding Judge Katherine Feinstein You can reference the case as "Field vs Bowen". Your Letter to the Editor should include something about the case and your opinion. If you went to the first hearing, that would be great to include any details about. Local newspapers include: SF Chronicle http://www.sfgate.com/submissions/#1 SF Examiner http://www.sfexaminer.com/info/contact Oakland Tribune http://www.insidebayarea.com/feedback/tribune And of course we need people to show up and once again, pack the court! Background on the case: *Winger Munger and Loser Pays* August 5th, 2012 @ 7:00 pm For the past forty-five years, Richard Winger has been campaigning for a better legal environment for new and minor parties and independent candidates. Winger has been publishing the monthly Ballot Access News since 1985. His budget ??? $6,000 a year. Now, Richard Winger and five other ballot activists are facing a big bill ??? $243,279.50. That???s what California state court judgeCurtis E.A. Karnow last week ordered them to pay in attorneys fees to intervenors. (continued) http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/wingermungerloserpays08052012/ Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. THANK YOU!!! -- Victoria If money is speech so are tents --- On *Tue, 10/2/12, Victoria Ashley //* wrote: From: Victoria Ashley Subject: Re: [gpca-forum] court today re Prop. 14 To: "Gloria Purcell" , "Jack Wagner" Cc: gpca-forum at cagreens.org, "GPSMC-D" Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 1:03 PM Hi All, Just wanted to say THANKS SO MUCH to those of you who helped Richard Winger and packed the SF courtroom for his hearing! *The next hearing is set for Monday Oct. 22nd at 9:30 amin the same place.* (Dept. 302, SF Superior Court, 400 McAllister St., SF 94102) Please mark your calendar. As you may know, despite seven years and hundreds of court filings, the Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear an appeal brought by Washington State's Democratic and Libertarian parties seeking to end the top-two primary system there. (See: http://www.kplu.org/post/7-years-top-two-primary-litigation-washington-comes-end and http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/10/01/u-s-supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-washington-state-top-two-open-primary-case/) That means that our two court cases in the Bay Area will play a critically important role in fighting the top-two scam. I have two requests toward that effort: *1) Please attend this next hearing -- packing the court for this will again be HUGELY IMPORTANT. 2) Can those who attended the first hearing please write a brief letter to the editor about what happened, and post photos from that morning (on social media or send to me via email and I will post)?* * * Whether you attended the first hearing or not, please consider sending one letter to the editor to one paper that you regularly read. The attack on Richard Winger was blatant and average people are angered almost across the board by that. Additionally, most people are unaware that our ability to write-in a candidate's name on our ballot election day is now taken away, and this could be mentioned -- see: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/09/30/18722682.php Letters will be important to generate media coverage -- when news organizations see letters coming in they may be more likely to send a reporter to cover the story. Local newspapers include: SF Chronicle http://www.sfgate.com/submissions/#1 SF Examiner Letters to the editor can be submitted via our contact form as well by choosing the appropriate category. Please note that we give preference to letters containing fewer than 150 words. You must include your name, phone number, and city of residence http://www.sfexaminer.com/info/contact Oakland Tribune http://www.insidebayarea.com/feedback/tribune --- On *Mon, 9/17/12, Jack Wagner //*wrote On 17 September 2012 18:48, Gloria Purcell wrote: Well, we packed the room! There were about 45 people there, including Peace & Freedom besides Greens, CA for Electoral Reform, probably some Libs. Good to see lots of old friends! This hearing was not the appeal of the bad decision on our suit re P. 14. That is later; see below. This was about the SLAP suit demanding over $245,000 in legal fees because we lost. Gauttam was great! First, he asked the judge (the same one who gave the "no" verdict already!!! That is not at all correct) to recuse himself, and the judge did. Gauttam is sure that without us all there staring at him, the story would have been different! Then the two lawyers were sent to present a quick version of the case with a Clerk, with a man from the Secty of State's office listening in by phone. The other lawyer wanted our appeal dismissed. Gauttam was sharp and presented our side with passion as well as intelligence. The Clerk went out of the room to speak with another judge, who sent him back with the message: case NOT dismissed but the money demand was!! The other lawyer won an extension (which Gauttam had said already was fine with our side). So the new hearing date for the P. 14 appeal is set for Oct. 22 at 9:30 a.m., SF Superior Court, Room 302. Please mark your calendars now! Our attendance made a huge difference! Gloria _________________________________________________ gpca-forum mailing list gpca-forum at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/__mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ gpca-forum mailing list gpca-forum at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ gpca-forum mailing list gpca-forum at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 11:27:26 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 Message-ID: <1349980046.3607.YahooMailClassic@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It?was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show problems. My pet pieve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium.? This is much more calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would poison a human).? My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry proceedures?and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be ? John Thielking -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 14:45:43 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <1349980046.3607.YahooMailClassic@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1349991943.76992.YahooMailClassic@web111113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone on this list or who you know have the equipment we would need to show this youtube video at the Peace Center sometime before the election?? We would need a laptop with wi fi and the cables to connect the laptop to the Peace Center's projector.? Thanks. ? John Thielking --- On Thu, 10/11/12, John Thielking wrote: From: John Thielking Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 11:27 AM This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It?was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show problems. My pet pieve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium.? This is much more calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would poison a human).? My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry proceedures?and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be ? 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URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 15:12:56 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:12:56 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: National Coming Out Day: Stein, Honkala call for anti-discrimination law covering LGBTQ Americans In-Reply-To: <50773eb45a216_1d261d3b6ec6985c@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <50773eb45a216_1d261d3b6ec6985c@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <50774468.20001@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: National Coming Out Day: Stein, Honkala call for anti-discrimination law covering LGBTQ Americans Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:48:36 +0000 From: Jill Stein for President To: Santa Clara County Greens National Coming Out Day: Stein, Honkala call for anti-discrimination law covering LGBTQ Americans EqualityGreen presidential candidate Jill Stein and running mate Cheri Honkala paused in their campaigning today to acknowledge National Coming Out Day, an internationally-recognized celebration honoring those who publicly acknowledge their sexual orientation or gender identity. "Today we celebrate the diversity of our people and our commitment to stand in solidarity with people of all sexual orientations and gender identities who have added so much to the life of our nation," said Dr. Stein. "We encourage everyone to stand with the members of our LGBTQ community as they ask for the fairness and respect that they deserve, but which is not yet fully granted." Dr. Stein and Ms. Honkala said that President Obama's endorsement of same-sex marriage was a positive step forward, but sharply disagreed with his statement that legalization should be left to individual states. "Human rights are universal. We support national recognition of same-sex marriage rights, without which true equality does not exist. There is no more basic right than the right to choose whom we love and whom we call family, without the state declaring that one kind of family is more legitimate than another," said Cheri Honkala. Dr. Stein noted that she had declared her support for same-sex marriage in 2002, becoming the first gubernatorial candidate in her state to take such a position. Earlier this year, she had traveled to North Carolina to oppose a state ballot measure that would prohibit same-sex marriage. "In November, marriage equality will appear on the ballots in Maryland, Maine, Minnesota, and Washington. I urge every voter to let his or her vote count on the side of fairness, justice, and respect for their gay, lesbian, and transgender neighbors who have waited far too long for equal treatment under the law," she added. "We must challenge President Obama on his silence as states and defeat or overturn LBGTQ protections and pass anti-gay anti-equality laws," said Cheri Honkala. "If you believe that this is a matter of fundamental human rights, as Jill and I do, then you go into that state and make the case for marriage equality. That is the politics of courage." Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala also called for passage of federal legislation that outlaws discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, and marital status in employment, housing, and public accommodations. While Republicans have mostly opposed such a law, Democrats have dragged their feet on ENDA (the Employment Non-Discrimination Act), failing to move the bill forward and enact it when they controlled Congress and the White House. "While Democrats and some gay rights groups have hesitated on the inclusion of gender identity in such laws, we in the Green Party fully are committed to protecting transgender people. We also support inclusion of marital status under the protection. Discrimination on the basis of marital status, in employee benefits, wills, visitation rights, immigration, and other bases has affected same-sex couples, different-sex couples in common-law relationships, and single individuals of all sexual orientations," said Dr. Stein. The Green Party and Green presidential candidates have strongly supported a national anti-discrimination law and same-sex marriage rights ever since the party was founded. (See the Green Party's 2012 national platform on LGBTQ rights ). Dr. Stein said that President Obama endorsed same-sex marriage rights and repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" after it became evident that his lack of action was resulting in a loss of enthusiasm among LGBTQ Americans and might cost him millions of votes in 2012. "This is an important lesson. President Obama realized that he could no longer take LGBTQ votes for granted. But he still believes can take for granted a lot of voters who oppose war and the power of Wall Street and who care about the environment and the advance of climate change. Too many voters keeping showing that Democratic politicians can banish progressive, humane ideas and adopt Republican agenda without worrying about the loss of votes," said Jill Stein. "This is one of the best reasons to vote Green. A strong Green Party showing on Election Day will show that Democratic and Republican politicians are no longer each others' sole competition. Every vote for a Green candidate helps change the U,S, political landscape by building a strong alternative party -- one in which LGBTQ rights have unwavering support." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /Please take an immediate step by making a donation: http://www.jillstein.org/donate / Authorized and paid for by Jill Stein for President PO Box 260217, Madison, WI 53726-0217 http://www.JillStein.org * * -=-=- Jill Stein for President ? United States This email was sent to santaclara at cagreens.org. To stop receiving emails, click here . You can also keep up with Jill Stein for President on Twitter or Facebook . -=-=- Created with NationBuilder , the essential toolkit leaders. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 11 18:10:51 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:10:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] T-shirts Message-ID: <50776E1B.9050409@sbcglobal.net> The second batch of T-shirts has arrived and is ready for pickup. There are 4 large T-shirts 5 extra large T-shirts 3 double extra large T-shirts From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 11 18:18:04 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:18:04 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] event planning for Cheri Honkala in bay area Message-ID: <50776FCC.4010607@sbcglobal.net> There will be an event planning meeting in my home tomorrow evening beginning at 6 pm. You are invited and help is needed. Jim Doyle 1668 Nora Way San Jose near Camden avenue exit from highway 85 vta bus 65 stops very near by call for more info or directions if you need them (408) 269-3299 Jim Doyle What we have thus far is DeBug 6-8 pm Sunday, a panel in Oakland at noon Monday, and one Monday evening in Berkeley. These are all hip hop-related events. Shamako will have the most up to date information on these. Cheri is confirmed to be here those two days. From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 11 18:30:03 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:30:03 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <1349991943.76992.YahooMailClassic@web111113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1349991943.76992.YahooMailClassic@web111113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5077729B.8070206@prodsyse.com> On 10/11/2012 2:45 PM, John Thielking wrote: > Does anyone on this list or who you know have the equipment we would > need to show this youtube video at the Peace Center sometime before > the election? We would need a laptop with wi fi and the cables to > connect the laptop to the Peace Center's projector. Thanks. > 1. I have a laptop with wi fi. 2. Does the Peace Center NOT have cables with the projector? I used a Peace Center projector at the Sept. 15 Foreclosure Summit, and it came with cables. 3. I have not worked much with YouTube. However, from my limited experience, I've had lots of problems with YouTube videos in real time, especially for something like this. If you are trying to download it and play it via wi fi in real time, I would NOT expect it to go smoothly. It would be best to download the video to a hard drive (or maybe a USB drive or CD) and play it from there. With a typical DSL connection, it can easily take 3 hours to download the data for a 1.5 hour video, and if a user clicks the wrong thing, it can restart from the beginning. If you've watched it, it probably is some place on your hard drive. However, I have not done this myself, so I don't know the details of how to do it. I just know that it should be feasible unless there is some special copyright protection in YouTube and the operating system to prevent that. Spencer > John Thielking > > --- On *Thu, 10/11/12, John Thielking //* wrote: > > > From: John Thielking > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 11:27 AM > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch > it. It was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no > problems with GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from > farmers often do show problems. My pet pieve is that the standard > diet for lab rats (and many farm animals) contains about 1% > calcium. This is much more calcium than a human would ever ingest > (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would poison a human). My > theory is that the organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO > feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the industry > studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry > proceedures and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving > their animals mineral deficiencies (among other things) when > feeding their animals GMO feed that result in animals getting sick > from GMOs. Watch the video at: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be > John Thielking > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edenw at gal3.com Thu Oct 11 18:38:54 2012 From: edenw at gal3.com (eden) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:38:54 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <5077729B.8070206@prodsyse.com> References: <1349991943.76992.YahooMailClassic@web111113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5077729B.8070206@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Spencer Graves wrote: > > 3. I have not worked much with YouTube. However, from my limited > experience, I've had lots of problems with YouTube videos in real time, > especially for something like this. If you are trying to download it and > play it via wi fi in real time, I would NOT expect it to go smoothly. I agree. >It > would be best to download the video to a hard drive (or maybe a USB drive or > CD) and play it from there. With a typical DSL connection, it can easily > take 3 hours to download the data for a 1.5 hour video, and if a user clicks > the wrong thing, it can restart from the beginning. If you've watched it, > it probably is some place on your hard drive. However, I have not done this > myself, so I don't know the details of how to do it. I just know that it > should be feasible unless there is some special copyright protection in > YouTube and the operating system to prevent that. I just attempted to download that YouTube using the DownloadHelper plugin for Firefox and it started to download with no problem. That usually implies that the file is free to download. (In other words, if the person who posted it didn't want it to be downloaded for copyright or other reasons, the file would not normally be downloadable with the plugin.) Enjoy. -- eden From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 11 19:16:59 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:16:59 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: References: <1349991943.76992.YahooMailClassic@web111113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5077729B.8070206@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <50777D9B.3090100@prodsyse.com> Thinking more about this, I'm concerned that it may not be a good use of resources to schedule a showing of this video at the Peace Center before the election. Specifically, I'm concerned that the vast majority of the people who might come to see this would already be planning to vote for prop 37. Moreover, they time they spend watching this video could be better spent having them make phone calls or ringing the doorbells of their neighbors and asking some appropriate question like, do they feel they should have a right to know what's in the food they eat -- whatever question the Prop 37 campaign says we should ask. What can you tell us about what the "Yes on prop 37" campaign suggests we use for talking points with neighbors, etc.? If I'm not mistaken, they have enough money, they should have done focus groups, etc., to make good recommendations about the sound bites that are most likely to be effective. Spencer On 10/11/2012 6:38 PM, eden wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Spencer Graves > wrote: >> 3. I have not worked much with YouTube. However, from my limited >> experience, I've had lots of problems with YouTube videos in real time, >> especially for something like this. If you are trying to download it and >> play it via wi fi in real time, I would NOT expect it to go smoothly. > I agree. > >> It >> would be best to download the video to a hard drive (or maybe a USB drive or >> CD) and play it from there. With a typical DSL connection, it can easily >> take 3 hours to download the data for a 1.5 hour video, and if a user clicks >> the wrong thing, it can restart from the beginning. If you've watched it, >> it probably is some place on your hard drive. However, I have not done this >> myself, so I don't know the details of how to do it. I just know that it >> should be feasible unless there is some special copyright protection in >> YouTube and the operating system to prevent that. > I just attempted to download that YouTube using the DownloadHelper > plugin for Firefox and it started to download with no problem. That > usually implies that the file is free to download. (In other words, if > the person who posted it didn't want it to be downloaded for copyright > or other reasons, the file would not normally be downloadable with the > plugin.) > > Enjoy. > > -- > eden > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 21:27:50 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <50777D9B.3090100@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <1350016070.84999.YahooMailClassic@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This video is useful to show before the election because it does a good job of clearing up the uncertainty about weather or not GMOs are really bad for us (they are really bad for us and for farm animals).? In the Yes On N campaign about water fluoridation being banned in Santa Cruz, which passed and became law, a lot of the debate hinged on the dangers of fluoridation, not so much on the nuts and bolts of the initiative that simply stated that nothing could be added to the water to treat humans as opposed to treating the water.? I did spring for a wi fi adapter for my laptop, but if it would be better to play the video from a hard drive I can do that instead.? I called Shelby and confirmed that the Peace Center has cables to run from the laptop to the projector and the sound system.? Another thing that the video points out is that there is a voluntary "GMO free" labeling initiative afoot similar to the labels on milk saying that the milk is rBGH free.? The market share of products with those labels is growing by 250% per year.? As for campaigning for prop 37, handing out fliers for the movie would do some of that too.? You can hand out 3 fliers per minute, as opposed to spending 5 minutes or more contacting and talking to each person that you manage to reach going door to door.? We can put the url for the movie on the flier so that people who can't make the exact date and time can still watch the movie. ? John Thielking --- On Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: "eden" Cc: "Greens" Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 7:16 PM ? ? ? Thinking more about this, I'm concerned that it may not be a good use of resources to schedule a showing of this video at the Peace Center before the election. Specifically, I'm concerned that the vast majority of the people who might come to see this would already be planning to vote for prop 37.? Moreover, they time they spend watching this video could be better spent having them make phone calls or ringing the doorbells of their neighbors and asking some appropriate question like, do they feel they should have a right to know what's in the food they eat -- whatever question the Prop 37 campaign says we should ask. ? ? ? What can you tell us about what the "Yes on prop 37" campaign suggests we use for talking points with neighbors, etc.? If I'm not mistaken, they have enough money, they should have done focus groups, etc., to make good recommendations about the sound bites that are most likely to be effective. ? ? ???Spencer On 10/11/2012 6:38 PM, eden wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Spencer Graves > wrote: >>? ? ? ? 3.? I have not worked much with YouTube.? However, from my limited >> experience, I've had lots of problems with YouTube videos in real time, >> especially for something like this.? If you are trying to download it and >> play it via wi fi in real time, I would NOT expect it to go smoothly. >? ???I agree. > >> It >> would be best to download the video to a hard drive (or maybe a USB drive or >> CD) and play it from there.? With a typical DSL connection, it can easily >> take 3 hours to download the data for a 1.5 hour video, and if a user clicks >> the wrong thing, it can restart from the beginning.? If you've watched it, >> it probably is some place on your hard drive.? However, I have not done this >> myself, so I don't know the details of how to do it.? I just know that it >> should be feasible unless there is some special copyright protection in >> YouTube and the operating system to prevent that. >? ???I just attempted to download that YouTube using the DownloadHelper > plugin for Firefox and it started to download with no problem. That > usually implies that the file is free to download. (In other words, if > the person who posted it didn't want it to be downloaded for copyright > or other reasons, the file would not normally be downloadable with the > plugin.) > >? ???Enjoy. > > -- > eden > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph:? 408-655-4567 web:? www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu Oct 11 21:43:49 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:43:49 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Notes from Glenn Greenwald in Santa Clara 10/5/12 Message-ID: Notes from the Glenn Greenwald talk in Santa Clara 10/5/12 As we get further from 9/11, the lawless abuses against civil liberties continue unabated. There is more FBI entrapment of phony terrorists now than there was 10 years ago. There has even been a prosecution of a Youtuber. And now Obama claims the right to assassinate American citizens with no transparency. Bush never claimed that right. War is an ultimate expression of pure lawlessness and unchecked power, and in the post-9/11 environment the entire world is seen as one big battlefield. Today we're being told that the greatest threat is not al Qaeda but home-grown terrorists. Miranda rules have been watered down, and the accused have been stripped of citizenship. Extremist policies enacted in a panic after 9/11 are now regarded as normal, a development served by media and a political apparatus that were acquiescent, subservient, and submissive. The USAPATRIOT Act was regarded as radical even by Congress when it was enacted, so a four-year sunset provision was incorporated--but it was renewed in 2005 with an 89-10 vote even after predictable abuses. It was renewed again in 2009 with almost no debate, and only 3 Senators opposed it. Extremism becomes part of Americanm culture: eavesdropping and detention without due process was controversial in the Bush years, but now Obama claims not just those powers but also the power to execute people without cause. Kids in high school today have never known anything other than the post-9/11 world. Society becomes lawless as we allow our government to ignore the Bill of Rights. Those in power are supposed to fear being held accountable by the people. But increasingly people fear the government. Wikileaks was declared an Enemy of the State by the Pentagon. Greenwald wrote an article celebrating Wikileaks's power to bring transparency, and advocated that people support it financially. Dozens of people wrote to him expressing their fear of donating--their fear of exercising their constitutional rights caused them to voluntarily relinquish their their rights out of fear that the government would abuse its power. Why is Bradley Manning being openly abused? So the government can show that they can, so they can send a signal that there are no limits to what they can do to you. ------------------------------------ The talk was a benefit for the Muslim Legal Fund of America and the National Coalition to Protect Civil Freedoms. http://www.civilfreedoms.org/ I didn't get the names of the speakers from the MLFA and the NCPCF. Here's what they said: Their purpose is to roll back extremist policies including pre-emptive prosecution, secret evidence, anonymous experts, and prisoner abuse including a federal isolation unit for muslim prisoners (the Communication Management Unit), and promotion of the Politics of Fear. Lawyers went as high as the Supreme Court trying to get a definition of "material support" that could clarify legislation outlawing material support to terrorists and the Supreme Court refused, leaving it to the DoJ's discretion. Legally, these issues are all up in the air with one jury deciding one way and then another jury deciding another. The DoJ Inspector General recommended that for a broad category of cases the NCPCF considers abusive that they all be revisited to check whether the DoJ had turned over all exculpatory evidence to the defense as the rules demand. ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 11 22:28:50 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:28:50 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <1350016070.84999.YahooMailClassic@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350016070.84999.YahooMailClassic@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5077AA92.1050307@prodsyse.com> Hi, John: OK. I yield. Do you need anything from me to make this happen? If yes, what? Spencer On 10/11/2012 9:27 PM, John Thielking wrote: > This video is useful to show before the election because it does a > good job of clearing up the uncertainty about weather or not GMOs are > really bad for us (they are really bad for us and for farm animals). > In the Yes On N campaign about water fluoridation being banned in > Santa Cruz, which passed and became law, a lot of the debate hinged on > the dangers of fluoridation, not so much on the nuts and bolts of the > initiative that simply stated that nothing could be added to the water > to treat humans as opposed to treating the water. I did spring for a > wi fi adapter for my laptop, but if it would be better to play the > video from a hard drive I can do that instead. I called Shelby and > confirmed that the Peace Center has cables to run from the laptop to > the projector and the sound system. Another thing that the video > points out is that there is a voluntary "GMO free" labeling initiative > afoot similar to the labels on milk saying that the milk is rBGH > free. The market share of products with those labels is growing by > 250% per year. As for campaigning for prop 37, handing out fliers for > the movie would do some of that too. You can hand out 3 fliers per > minute, as opposed to spending 5 minutes or more contacting and > talking to each person that you manage to reach going door to door. > We can put the url for the movie on the flier so that people who can't > make the exact date and time can still watch the movie. > John Thielking > > --- On *Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves //* > wrote: > > > From: Spencer Graves > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 > To: "eden" > Cc: "Greens" > Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 7:16 PM > > Thinking more about this, I'm concerned that it may not be a > good use of resources to schedule a showing of this video at the > Peace Center before the election. Specifically, I'm concerned that > the vast majority of the people who might come to see this would > already be planning to vote for prop 37. Moreover, they time they > spend watching this video could be better spent having them make > phone calls or ringing the doorbells of their neighbors and asking > some appropriate question like, do they feel they should have a > right to know what's in the food they eat -- whatever question the > Prop 37 campaign says we should ask. > > > What can you tell us about what the "Yes on prop 37" > campaign suggests we use for talking points with neighbors, etc.? > If I'm not mistaken, they have enough money, they should have done > focus groups, etc., to make good recommendations about the sound > bites that are most likely to be effective. > > > Spencer > > > On 10/11/2012 6:38 PM, eden wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Spencer Graves > > > > wrote: > >> 3. I have not worked much with YouTube. However, from > my limited > >> experience, I've had lots of problems with YouTube videos in > real time, > >> especially for something like this. If you are trying to > download it and > >> play it via wi fi in real time, I would NOT expect it to go > smoothly. > > I agree. > > > >> It > >> would be best to download the video to a hard drive (or maybe a > USB drive or > >> CD) and play it from there. With a typical DSL connection, it > can easily > >> take 3 hours to download the data for a 1.5 hour video, and if > a user clicks > >> the wrong thing, it can restart from the beginning. If you've > watched it, > >> it probably is some place on your hard drive. However, I have > not done this > >> myself, so I don't know the details of how to do it. I just > know that it > >> should be feasible unless there is some special copyright > protection in > >> YouTube and the operating system to prevent that. > > I just attempted to download that YouTube using the > DownloadHelper > > plugin for Firefox and it started to download with no problem. That > > usually implies that the file is free to download. (In other > words, if > > the person who posted it didn't want it to be downloaded for > copyright > > or other reasons, the file would not normally be downloadable > with the > > plugin.) > > > > Enjoy. > > > > -- > > eden > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Thu Oct 11 22:47:21 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <5077AA92.1050307@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <1350020841.38430.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Should we move on getting this started before the next GP GA meeting?? If so, I move that the county council should vote on sponsoring this event at the Peace Center.?I vote in favor of this. ?According to the calendar, Friday Nov 2, 2012? is open.? We could hand out lots of fliers before then.? I will be out of town from October 15 to October 22nd, but I could start printing and handing out fliers this Sunday before I leave.? I will be watching movies on Friday all day but if others could coordinate the vote and contact Shelby to confirm the Peace Center availability,? I will drop by the Peace Center at about 6PM Friday October 12th to check on things?and I will check my cell phone e-mail to see what the final vote is too.? Thanks. ? John Thielking --- On Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: "John Thielking" Cc: "eden" , "Greens" , "merriam k" Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 10:28 PM Hi, John:? OK.? I yield.? Do you need anything from me to make this happen?? If yes, what?? Spencer On 10/11/2012 9:27 PM, John Thielking wrote: This video is useful to show before the election because it does a good job of clearing up the uncertainty about weather or not GMOs are really bad for us (they are really bad for us and for farm animals).? In the Yes On N campaign about water fluoridation being banned in Santa Cruz, which passed and became law, a lot of the debate hinged on the dangers of fluoridation, not so much on the nuts and bolts of the initiative that simply stated that nothing could be added to the water to treat humans as opposed to treating the water.? I did spring for a wi fi adapter for my laptop, but if it would be better to play the video from a hard drive I can do that instead.? I called Shelby and confirmed that the Peace Center has cables to run from the laptop to the projector and the sound system.? Another thing that the video points out is that there is a voluntary "GMO free" labeling initiative afoot similar to the labels on milk saying that the milk is rBGH free.? The market share of products with those labels is growing by 250% per year.? As for campaigning for prop 37, handing out fliers for the movie would do some of that too.? You can hand out 3 fliers per minute, as opposed to spending 5 minutes or more contacting and talking to each person that you manage to reach going door to door.? We can put the url for the movie on the flier so that people who can't make the exact date and time can still watch the movie. ? John Thielking --- On Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: "eden" Cc: "Greens" Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 7:16 PM ? ? ? Thinking more about this, I'm concerned that it may not be a good use of resources to schedule a showing of this video at the Peace Center before the election. Specifically, I'm concerned that the vast majority of the people who might come to see this would already be planning to vote for prop 37.? Moreover, they time they spend watching this video could be better spent having them make phone calls or ringing the doorbells of their neighbors and asking some appropriate question like, do they feel they should have a right to know what's in the food they eat -- whatever question the Prop 37 campaign says we should ask. ? ? ? What can you tell us about what the "Yes on prop 37" campaign suggests we use for talking points with neighbors, etc.? If I'm not mistaken, they have enough money, they should have done focus groups, etc., to make good recommendations about the sound bites that are most likely to be effective. ? ? ???Spencer On 10/11/2012 6:38 PM, eden wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Spencer Graves > wrote: >>? ? ? ? 3.? I have not worked much with YouTube.? However, from my limited >> experience, I've had lots of problems with YouTube videos in real time, >> especially for something like this.? If you are trying to download it and >> play it via wi fi in real time, I would NOT expect it to go smoothly. >? ???I agree. > >> It >> would be best to download the video to a hard drive (or maybe a USB drive or >> CD) and play it from there.? With a typical DSL connection, it can easily >> take 3 hours to download the data for a 1.5 hour video, and if a user clicks >> the wrong thing, it can restart from the beginning.? If you've watched it, >> it probably is some place on your hard drive.? However, I have not done this >> myself, so I don't know the details of how to do it.? I just know that it >> should be feasible unless there is some special copyright protection in >> YouTube and the operating system to prevent that. >? ???I just attempted to download that YouTube using the DownloadHelper > plugin for Firefox and it started to download with no problem. That > usually implies that the file is free to download. (In other words, if > the person who posted it didn't want it to be downloaded for copyright > or other reasons, the file would not normally be downloadable with the > plugin.) > >? ???Enjoy. > > -- > eden > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 23:32:54 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 23:32:54 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <1350020841.38430.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350020841.38430.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5077B996.80702@earthlink.net> John, I assume from the first email that you created the video. Is that right? If so, did you consult with the Yes on Prop 37 campaign? Have they seen it? Have they approved it? I think it's ok to show the video to us Greens, but if you are going to invite the general public to view it, it seems a good idea to consult with "Yes on Prop 37". I'm not saying that they should automatically get veto power, but it seems we should get some feedback from them. And maybe they would like to use it! Everyone, the official website for the Yes on 37 campaign is http://www.carighttoknow.org/ . There are many events listed at http://www.carighttoknow.org/events Here's a map that shows where the local leaders are: http://www.carighttoknow.org/leader_directory There's one in or near Palo Alto. I am emailing my local leader to get a lawn sign. There are others in Cupertino, Santa Clara, and Campbell. ... Here's an interesting item: "No on 37 Forced to Pull TV Ad After Misrepresenting Stanford University" http://www.carighttoknow.org/no_on_37_forced_to_pull_tv_ad http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-anti-proposition-37-ad-pulled-20121004,0,1204815.story If you read one version, I suggest you read both versions. ... Here's a recent press release from GPCA: "Green Party Enthusiastically Supports Prop 37: Label GMOs!" Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 12 00:21:47 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 00:21:47 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nader on 37 (and 30) In-Reply-To: <5077B996.80702@earthlink.net> References: <1350020841.38430.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5077B996.80702@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5077C50B.700@earthlink.net> Ralph Nader spoke at a Commonwealth Club event a few hours ago. He mentioned briefly that he favored Props 30 and 37. He also favored 30 and 37 in the KQED forum: http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201210110900 Gerry From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 12 03:27:00 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 03:27:00 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <1350020841.38430.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350020841.38430.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5077F074.4080400@prodsyse.com> Hi, John, et al.: Who can take the lead on making this happen, since you won't be around? If we can find a champion to organize this and get out the word, I'll support it. Otherwise, I think you're trying to push a river. Do you know anyone active in the Prop 37 campaign? I'm copying Susie Barton, because I know she has been working this issue. SUSIE: John Thielking is talking about showing a movie in favor of Prop 37 on Friday, Nov. 2 at the Peace Center. We can get the space if we can get the audience. Do you have time and interest in helping to make that happen? If yes, I'll see if we can get the County Council of the Santa Clara Greens to support that. (Unless you are already on , your reply to them will bounce; I can repost if you'd like.) Spencer On 10/11/2012 10:47 PM, John Thielking wrote: > Should we move on getting this started before the next GP GA meeting? > If so, I move that the county council should vote on sponsoring this > event at the Peace Center. I vote in favor of this. According to the > calendar, Friday Nov 2, 2012 is open. We could hand out lots of > fliers before then. I will be out of town from October 15 to October > 22nd, but I could start printing and handing out fliers this Sunday > before I leave. I will be watching movies on Friday all day but if > others could coordinate the vote and contact Shelby to confirm the > Peace Center availability, I will drop by the Peace Center at about > 6PM Friday October 12th to check on things and I will check my cell > phone e-mail to see what the final vote is too. Thanks. > John Thielking > > --- On *Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves //* > wrote: > > > From: Spencer Graves > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 > To: "John Thielking" > Cc: "eden" , "Greens" > , "merriam k" > Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 10:28 PM > > Hi, John: OK. I yield. Do you need anything from me to make this > happen? If yes, what? Spencer > > > On 10/11/2012 9:27 PM, John Thielking wrote: >> This video is useful to show before the election because it does >> a good job of clearing up the uncertainty about weather or not >> GMOs are really bad for us (they are really bad for us and for >> farm animals). In the Yes On N campaign about water fluoridation >> being banned in Santa Cruz, which passed and became law, a lot of >> the debate hinged on the dangers of fluoridation, not so much on >> the nuts and bolts of the initiative that simply stated that >> nothing could be added to the water to treat humans as opposed to >> treating the water. I did spring for a wi fi adapter for my >> laptop, but if it would be better to play the video from a hard >> drive I can do that instead. I called Shelby and confirmed that >> the Peace Center has cables to run from the laptop to the >> projector and the sound system. Another thing that the video >> points out is that there is a voluntary "GMO free" labeling >> initiative afoot similar to the labels on milk saying that the >> milk is rBGH free. The market share of products with those >> labels is growing by 250% per year. As for campaigning for prop >> 37, handing out fliers for the movie would do some of that too. >> You can hand out 3 fliers per minute, as opposed to spending 5 >> minutes or more contacting and talking to each person that you >> manage to reach going door to door. We can put the url for the >> movie on the flier so that people who can't make the exact date >> and time can still watch the movie. >> John Thielking >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> >> > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 06:53:32 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 06:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <5077F074.4080400@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <1350050012.36751.YahooMailClassic@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Spencer et al, ? I just now ordered the DVD of the movie from www.responsibletechnology.org .??I also ordered 25 of each of their brochures about the health risks of GMOs and one other brochure, I can't remember. ?We have permission to show the movie as a nonprofit for donations, with some encouragement to donate any money raised over our costs to go to the Food Policy Fund, that has a link on the above web site. Food Policy Fund is backing Prop 37. I think the 10 days from the time I get back until the movie showing is enough time to get the word out, but if I can confirm that we have the venue and consensus within the county council before this Sunday, I will have fliers available to hand out while I'm gone.? My room mate Pete O'Reilly might be interested in handing them out if no one else is. (He is asleep right now so I can't confirm that)? Thanks. ? John Thielking --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: Cc: "Greens" Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 3:27 AM Hi, John, et al.:? ????? Who can take the lead on making this happen, since you won't be around?? ????? If we can find a champion to organize this and get out the word, I'll support it.? Otherwise, I think you're trying to push a river.? ???? Do you know anyone active in the Prop 37 campaign?? I'm copying Susie Barton, because I know she has been working this issue.? SUSIE:? John Thielking is talking about showing a movie in favor of Prop 37 on Friday, Nov. 2 at the Peace Center.? We can get the space if we can get the audience.? Do you have time and interest in helping to make that happen?? If yes, I'll see if we can get the County Council of the Santa Clara Greens to support that.? (Unless you are already on , your reply to them will bounce;? I can repost if you'd like.) ????? Spencer On 10/11/2012 10:47 PM, John Thielking wrote: Should we move on getting this started before the next GP GA meeting?? If so, I move that the county council should vote on sponsoring this event at the Peace Center.?I vote in favor of this. ?According to the calendar, Friday Nov 2, 2012? is open.? We could hand out lots of fliers before then.? I will be out of town from October 15 to October 22nd, but I could start printing and handing out fliers this Sunday before I leave.? I will be watching movies on Friday all day but if others could coordinate the vote and contact Shelby to confirm the Peace Center availability,? I will drop by the Peace Center at about 6PM Friday October 12th to check on things?and I will check my cell phone e-mail to see what the final vote is too.? Thanks. ? John Thielking --- On Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: "John Thielking" Cc: "eden" , "Greens" , "merriam k" Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 10:28 PM Hi, John:? OK.? I yield.? Do you need anything from me to make this happen?? If yes, what?? Spencer On 10/11/2012 9:27 PM, John Thielking wrote: This video is useful to show before the election because it does a good job of clearing up the uncertainty about weather or not GMOs are really bad for us (they are really bad for us and for farm animals).? In the Yes On N campaign about water fluoridation being banned in Santa Cruz, which passed and became law, a lot of the debate hinged on the dangers of fluoridation, not so much on the nuts and bolts of the initiative that simply stated that nothing could be added to the water to treat humans as opposed to treating the water.? I did spring for a wi fi adapter for my laptop, but if it would be better to play the video from a hard drive I can do that instead.? I called Shelby and confirmed that the Peace Center has cables to run from the laptop to the projector and the sound system.? Another thing that the video points out is that there is a voluntary "GMO free" labeling initiative afoot similar to the labels on milk saying that the milk is rBGH free.? The market share of products with those labels is growing by 250% per year.? As for campaigning for prop 37, handing out fliers for the movie would do some of that too.? You can hand out 3 fliers per minute, as opposed to spending 5 minutes or more contacting and talking to each person that you manage to reach going door to door.? We can put the url for the movie on the flier so that people who can't make the exact date and time can still watch the movie. ? John Thielking > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 07:14:01 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <1350050012.36751.YahooMailClassic@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1350051241.80106.YahooMailClassic@web111115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I just now confirmed that my room mate can hand out a few fliers while I'm gone. ? John Thielking --- On Fri, 10/12/12, John Thielking wrote: From: John Thielking Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: "Spencer Graves" Cc: "Greens" , "merriam k" Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 6:53 AM Spencer et al, ? I just now ordered the DVD of the movie from www.responsibletechnology.org .??I also ordered 25 of each of their brochures about the health risks of GMOs and one other brochure, I can't remember. ?We have permission to show the movie as a nonprofit for donations, with some encouragement to donate any money raised over our costs to go to the Food Policy Fund, that has a link on the above web site. Food Policy Fund is backing Prop 37. I think the 10 days from the time I get back until the movie showing is enough time to get the word out, but if I can confirm that we have the venue and consensus within the county council before this Sunday, I will have fliers available to hand out while I'm gone.? My room mate Pete O'Reilly might be interested in handing them out if no one else is. (He is asleep right now so I can't confirm that)? Thanks. ? John Thielking --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: Cc: "Greens" Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 3:27 AM Hi, John, et al.:? ????? Who can take the lead on making this happen, since you won't be around?? ????? If we can find a champion to organize this and get out the word, I'll support it.? Otherwise, I think you're trying to push a river.? ???? Do you know anyone active in the Prop 37 campaign?? I'm copying Susie Barton, because I know she has been working this issue.? SUSIE:? John Thielking is talking about showing a movie in favor of Prop 37 on Friday, Nov. 2 at the Peace Center.? We can get the space if we can get the audience.? Do you have time and interest in helping to make that happen?? If yes, I'll see if we can get the County Council of the Santa Clara Greens to support that.? (Unless you are already on , your reply to them will bounce;? I can repost if you'd like.) ????? Spencer On 10/11/2012 10:47 PM, John Thielking wrote: Should we move on getting this started before the next GP GA meeting?? If so, I move that the county council should vote on sponsoring this event at the Peace Center.?I vote in favor of this. ?According to the calendar, Friday Nov 2, 2012? is open.? We could hand out lots of fliers before then.? I will be out of town from October 15 to October 22nd, but I could start printing and handing out fliers this Sunday before I leave.? I will be watching movies on Friday all day but if others could coordinate the vote and contact Shelby to confirm the Peace Center availability,? I will drop by the Peace Center at about 6PM Friday October 12th to check on things?and I will check my cell phone e-mail to see what the final vote is too.? Thanks. ? John Thielking --- On Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves wrote: From: Spencer Graves Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: "John Thielking" Cc: "eden" , "Greens" , "merriam k" Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 10:28 PM Hi, John:? OK.? I yield.? Do you need anything from me to make this happen?? If yes, what?? Spencer On 10/11/2012 9:27 PM, John Thielking wrote: This video is useful to show before the election because it does a good job of clearing up the uncertainty about weather or not GMOs are really bad for us (they are really bad for us and for farm animals).? In the Yes On N campaign about water fluoridation being banned in Santa Cruz, which passed and became law, a lot of the debate hinged on the dangers of fluoridation, not so much on the nuts and bolts of the initiative that simply stated that nothing could be added to the water to treat humans as opposed to treating the water.? I did spring for a wi fi adapter for my laptop, but if it would be better to play the video from a hard drive I can do that instead.? I called Shelby and confirmed that the Peace Center has cables to run from the laptop to the projector and the sound system.? Another thing that the video points out is that there is a voluntary "GMO free" labeling initiative afoot similar to the labels on milk saying that the milk is rBGH free.? The market share of products with those labels is growing by 250% per year.? As for campaigning for prop 37, handing out fliers for the movie would do some of that too.? You can hand out 3 fliers per minute, as opposed to spending 5 minutes or more contacting and talking to each person that you manage to reach going door to door.? We can put the url for the movie on the flier so that people who can't make the exact date and time can still watch the movie. ? 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URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 07:36:10 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <5077B996.80702@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1350052570.86134.YahooMailClassic@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Gerry, ? I did not create the video.? The sellers of the video (that I just now ordered from www.responsibletechnology.org ) are backing Prop 37.? Is that good enough for you? John Thielking --- On Thu, 10/11/12, Gerry Gras wrote: From: Gerry Gras Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 To: "Greens" , "John Thielking" Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 11:32 PM John, I assume from the first email that you created the video. Is that right? If so, did you consult with the Yes on Prop 37 campaign? Have they seen it?? Have they approved it? I think it's ok to show the video to us Greens, but if you are going to invite the general public to view it, it seems a good idea to consult with "Yes on Prop 37". I'm not saying that they should automatically get veto power, but it seems we should get some feedback from them. And maybe they would like to use it! Everyone, the official website for the Yes on 37 campaign is http://www.carighttoknow.org/ . There are many events listed at http://www.carighttoknow.org/events Here's a map that shows where the local leaders are: http://www.carighttoknow.org/leader_directory There's one in or near Palo Alto.? I am emailing my local leader to get a lawn sign. There are others in Cupertino, Santa Clara, and Campbell. ... Here's an interesting item: "No on 37 Forced to Pull TV Ad After Misrepresenting Stanford University" http://www.carighttoknow.org/no_on_37_forced_to_pull_tv_ad http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-anti-proposition-37-ad-pulled-20121004,0,1204815.story If you read one version, I suggest you read both versions. ... Here's a recent press release from GPCA: "Green Party Enthusiastically Supports Prop 37: Label GMOs!" Gerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 12 08:52:59 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:52:59 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <1350052570.86134.YahooMailClassic@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350052570.86134.YahooMailClassic@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50783CDB.6080107@earthlink.net> John Thielking wrote: > Gerry, > I did not create the video. The sellers of the video (that I just now > ordered from www.responsibletechnology.org > ) are backing Prop 37. Is that > good enough for you? That's encouraging. But it still does not tell me whether the "Yes on 37" folks have seen it or whether they approve it. I am not involved in promoting the movie, so it does not matter what I think. But if I were considering promoting the movie I would want to talk to the "Yes on 37" folks, to get their feedback, before deciding what to do. They might have some useful info. If someone wants to talk to "Yes on 37", I'd suggest looking at: http://www.carighttoknow.org/leader_directory Gerry > > John Thielking > > --- On *Thu, 10/11/12, Gerry Gras //* wrote: > > > From: Gerry Gras > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 > To: "Greens" , "John Thielking" > > Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 11:32 PM > > > John, > I assume from the first email that you created the video. > Is that right? > > If so, did you consult with the Yes on Prop 37 campaign? > Have they seen it? Have they approved it? > > I think it's ok to show the video to us Greens, but if > you are going to invite the general public to view it, > it seems a good idea to consult with "Yes on Prop 37". > I'm not saying that they should automatically get veto > power, but it seems we should get some feedback from them. > And maybe they would like to use it! > > > > Everyone, > > the official website for the Yes on 37 campaign is > http://www.carighttoknow.org/ . > > There are many events listed at > http://www.carighttoknow.org/events > > Here's a map that shows where the local leaders are: > http://www.carighttoknow.org/leader_directory > There's one in or near Palo Alto. I am emailing > my local leader to get a lawn sign. > There are others in Cupertino, Santa Clara, and > Campbell. > > ... > > Here's an interesting item: > > "No on 37 Forced to Pull TV Ad After Misrepresenting Stanford > University" > http://www.carighttoknow.org/no_on_37_forced_to_pull_tv_ad > http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-anti-proposition-37-ad-pulled-20121004,0,1204815.story > > If you read one version, I suggest you read both versions. > > ... > > Here's a recent press release from GPCA: > "Green Party Enthusiastically Supports Prop 37: Label GMOs!" > > Gerry > From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 12 09:10:38 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:10:38 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <50783CDB.6080107@earthlink.net> References: <1350052570.86134.YahooMailClassic@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <50783CDB.6080107@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <507840FE.1090601@earthlink.net> Well, I am exchanging emails with my local leader. She says I am welcome to ask questions. So I will ask her about the movie. Gerry Gerry Gras wrote: > > > John Thielking wrote: >> Gerry, >> I did not create the video. The sellers of the video (that I just now >> ordered from www.responsibletechnology.org >> ) are backing Prop 37. Is that >> good enough for you? > > That's encouraging. But it still does not tell me > whether the "Yes on 37" folks have seen it or whether > they approve it. I am not involved in promoting the > movie, so it does not matter what I think. But if > I were considering promoting the movie I would want > to talk to the "Yes on 37" folks, to get their feedback, > before deciding what to do. They might have some useful > info. > > If someone wants to talk to "Yes on 37", I'd suggest > looking at: > http://www.carighttoknow.org/leader_directory > > Gerry > From tsubaka360 at gmail.com Fri Oct 12 09:47:42 2012 From: tsubaka360 at gmail.com (Susie Barton) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 09:47:42 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <5077EF73.6010507@prodsyse.com> References: <1350020841.38430.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5077EF73.6010507@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: Hi Spencer, Thank you for helping this process along for an extremely important issue. I'll contact my district super but do you know what the movie is? We've begun outreach at SJSU which will also increase viewership and news broadcast. Please let me know so I can contact Joyce for her input on coordination. Susie On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: > Hi, John, et al.: > > > Who can take the lead on making this happen, since you won't be > around? > > > If we can find a champion to organize this and get out the word, > I'll support it. Otherwise, I think you're trying to push a river. > > > Do you know anyone active in the Prop 37 campaign? I'm copying Susie > Barton, because I know she has been working this issue. > > > SUSIE: John Thielking is talking about showing a movie in favor of Prop > 37 on Friday, Nov. 2 at the Peace Center. We can get the space if we can > get the audience. Do you have time and interest in helping to make that > happen? If yes, I'll see if we can get the County Council of the Santa > Clara Greens to support that. (Unless you are already on > , your reply > to them will bounce; I can repost if you'd like.) > > > Spencer > > > On 10/11/2012 10:47 PM, John Thielking wrote: > > Should we move on getting this started before the next GP GA > meeting? If so, I move that the county council should vote on sponsoring > this event at the Peace Center. I vote in favor of this. According to the > calendar, Friday Nov 2, 2012 is open. We could hand out lots of fliers > before then. I will be out of town from October 15 to October 22nd, but I > could start printing and handing out fliers this Sunday before I leave. I > will be watching movies on Friday all day but if others could coordinate > the vote and contact Shelby to confirm the Peace Center availability, I > will drop by the Peace Center at about 6PM Friday October 12th to check on > things and I will check my cell phone e-mail to see what the final vote is > too. Thanks. > > John Thielking > > --- On *Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves > * wrote: > > > From: Spencer Graves > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 > To: "John Thielking" > Cc: "eden" , "Greens" > , "merriam > k" > Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 10:28 PM > > Hi, John: OK. I yield. Do you need anything from me to make this > happen? If yes, what? Spencer > > > On 10/11/2012 9:27 PM, John Thielking wrote: > > This video is useful to show before the election because it does a good > job of clearing up the uncertainty about weather or not GMOs are really bad > for us (they are really bad for us and for farm animals). In the Yes On N > campaign about water fluoridation being banned in Santa Cruz, which passed > and became law, a lot of the debate hinged on the dangers of fluoridation, > not so much on the nuts and bolts of the initiative that simply stated that > nothing could be added to the water to treat humans as opposed to treating > the water. I did spring for a wi fi adapter for my laptop, but if it would > be better to play the video from a hard drive I can do that instead. I > called Shelby and confirmed that the Peace Center has cables to run from > the laptop to the projector and the sound system. Another thing that the > video points out is that there is a voluntary "GMO free" labeling > initiative afoot similar to the labels on milk saying that the milk is rBGH > free. The market share of products with those labels is growing by 250% > per year. As for campaigning for prop 37, handing out fliers for the movie > would do some of that too. You can hand out 3 fliers per minute, as > opposed to spending 5 minutes or more contacting and talking to each person > that you manage to reach going door to door. We can put the url for the > movie on the flier so that people who can't make the exact date and time > can still watch the movie. > > John Thielking > > --- On *Thu, 10/11/12, Spencer Graves > * wrote: > > > From: Spencer Graves > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 > To: "eden" > Cc: "Greens" > Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012, 7:16 PM > > Thinking more about this, I'm concerned that it may not be a good > use of resources to schedule a showing of this video at the Peace Center > before the election. Specifically, I'm concerned that the vast majority of > the people who might come to see this would already be planning to vote for > prop 37. Moreover, they time they spend watching this video could be > better spent having them make phone calls or ringing the doorbells of their > neighbors and asking some appropriate question like, do they feel they > should have a right to know what's in the food they eat -- whatever > question the Prop 37 campaign says we should ask. > > > What can you tell us about what the "Yes on prop 37" campaign > suggests we use for talking points with neighbors, etc.? If I'm not > mistaken, they have enough money, they should have done focus groups, etc., > to make good recommendations about the sound bites that are most likely to > be effective. > > > Spencer > > > On 10/11/2012 6:38 PM, eden wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Spencer Graves > > > > wrote: > >> 3. I have not worked much with YouTube. However, from my > limited > >> experience, I've had lots of problems with YouTube videos in real time, > >> especially for something like this. If you are trying to download it > and > >> play it via wi fi in real time, I would NOT expect it to go smoothly. > > I agree. > > > >> It > >> would be best to download the video to a hard drive (or maybe a USB > drive or > >> CD) and play it from there. With a typical DSL connection, it can > easily > >> take 3 hours to download the data for a 1.5 hour video, and if a user > clicks > >> the wrong thing, it can restart from the beginning. If you've watched > it, > >> it probably is some place on your hard drive. However, I have not done > this > >> myself, so I don't know the details of how to do it. I just know that > it > >> should be feasible unless there is some special copyright protection in > >> YouTube and the operating system to prevent that. > > I just attempted to download that YouTube using the DownloadHelper > > plugin for Firefox and it started to download with no problem. That > > usually implies that the file is free to download. (In other words, if > > the person who posted it didn't want it to be downloaded for copyright > > or other reasons, the file would not normally be downloadable with the > > plugin.) > > > > Enjoy. > > > > -- > > eden > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > -- > Spencer Graves, PE, PhD > President and Chief Technology Officer > Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. > 751 Emerson Ct. > San Jos?, CA 95126 > ph: 408-655-4567 > web: www.structuremonitoring.com > > -- *Watashi tachi wa onaji kama no meshi o taberu* "We all eat from the same bowl" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 10:03:38 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:03:38 CDT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 Message-ID: <503944.60331.bm@smtp115-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> www.responsibletechnology.org sells the movie on their web site. they give permission for public showings of the movie by nonprofits. john thielking -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:47:43 am To: "Spencer Graves" Cc: John Thielking , eden , Greens , merriam k , Jim Doyle , Drew From: "Susie Barton" Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 Hi Spencer, Thank you for helping this process along for an extremely important issue. I'll contact my district super but do you know what the movie is? We've begun outreach at SJSU which will also increase viewership and news broadcast. Please let me know so I can contact Joyce for her input on coordination. Susie On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: > Hi, John, et al.: > > > Who can take the lead on making this happen, since you won't be > around? > > > If we can find a champion to organize this and get out the word, > I'll support it. Otherwise, I think you're trying to push a river. > > > Do you know anyone active in the Prop 37 campaign? I'm copying Susie > Barton, because I know she has been working this issue. > > > SUSIE: John Thielking is talking about showing a movie in favor of Prop > 37 on Friday, Nov. 2 at the Peace Center. We can get the space if we can > get the audience. Do you have time and From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 12 11:34:19 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:34:19 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: References: <1350020841.38430.YahooMailClassic@web111102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5077EF73.6010507@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <507862AB.2020802@prodsyse.com> Hi, John and Susie: SUSIE: 1. John has seen it; I haven't. If I recall correctly, it's 90 minutes produced by one of the organizations behind Prop 37. 2. Might it be feasible for you to contact your organization, asking if they would co-sponsor a Prop 37 event to be held at the San Jos? Peace and Justice Center, Friday evening, Nov. 2, with you all determining the agenda in conjunction with John Thielking and the Green Party of Santa Clara County? The Santa Clara Greens have NOT approved this yet, but it's a Green issue. Could you arrange for someone to come with a specific proposal for such an event to our next monthly meeting, Thursday, Oct. 25, 7 PM? It would be wise to circulate a draft through our County Council (Thielking, myself, Jim Doyle, Drew Johnson, and Merriam Kathaleen) before then. JOHN: Could you please reply to Susie's questions? She's been working in the Prop 37 campaign. Thanks, Spencer On 10/12/2012 9:47 AM, Susie Barton wrote: > Hi Spencer, > > Thank you for helping this process along for an extremely important > issue. I'll contact my district super but do you know what the movie > is? We've begun outreach at SJSU which will also increase viewership > and news broadcast. Please let me know so I can contact Joyce for her > input on coordination. > Susie > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Spencer Graves > > wrote: > > Hi, John, et al.: > > > Who can take the lead on making this happen, since you won't > be around? > > > If we can find a champion to organize this and get out the > word, I'll support it. Otherwise, I think you're trying to push a > river. > > > Do you know anyone active in the Prop 37 campaign? I'm > copying Susie Barton, because I know she has been working this issue. > > > SUSIE: John Thielking is talking about showing a movie in favor > of Prop 37 on Friday, Nov. 2 at the Peace Center. We can get the > space if we can get the audience. Do you have time and interest > in helping to make that happen? If yes, I'll see if we can get > the County Council of the Santa Clara Greens to support that. > (Unless you are already on > , your reply to them will > bounce; I can repost if you'd like.) > > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >>> >> > > -- > /Watashi tachi wa onaji kama no meshi o taberu/ > "We all eat from the same bowl" > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Fri Oct 12 13:25:34 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:25:34 CDT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 Message-ID: <417678.46923.qm@smtp112-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> spencer considering the size of the email list on this already we might want to see if the other organizers esp sjsu might be able to hook up a bigger venue at sjsu or something. i will check with shelby at 6pm today to verify that nov 2 is available. john thielking -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:34:44 am To: "Greens" From: "Spencer Graves" Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 Hi, John and Susie: SUSIE: 1. John has seen it; I haven't. If I recall correctly, it's 90 minutes produced by one of the organizations behind Prop 37. 2. Might it be feasible for you to contact your organization, asking if they would co-sponsor a Prop 37 event to be held at the San Jos? Peace and Justice Center, Friday evening, Nov. 2, with you all determining the agenda in conjunction with John Thielking and the Green Party of Santa Clara County? The Santa Clara Greens have NOT approved this yet, but it's a Green issue. Could you arrange for someone to come with a specific proposal for such an event to our next monthly meeting, Thursday, Oct. 25, 7 PM? It would be wise to circulate a draft through our County Council (Thielking, myself, Jim Doyle, Drew Johnson, and Merriam Kathaleen) before then. JOHN: Could you please reply to Susie's questions? She's been working in the Prop 37 campaign. Thanks, Spencer On 10/12/2012 9:47 AM, Susie Barton wrote: > Hi Spencer, > > Thank you for helping this process along for an extremely important > issue. I'll contact my district super but do you know what the movie > is? We've begun outreach at SJSU which will also increase viewership > and news broadcast. Please let me know so I can contact Joyce for her > input on coordination. > Susie > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Spencer Graves > > wrote: > > Hi, John, et al.: > > > Who can take the lead on making this happen, since you won't > be around? > > > If we can find a champion to organize this and get out the > word, I'll support it. Otherwise, I think you're trying to push a > river. > > > Do you know anyone active in the Prop 37 campaign? I'm > copying Susie Barton, because I know she has been working this issue. > > > SUSIE: John Thielking is talking about showing a movie in favor > of Prop 37 on Friday, Nov. 2 at the Peace Center. We can get the > space if we can get the audience. Do you have time and interest > in helping to make that happen? If yes, I'll see if we can get > the County Council of the Santa Clara Greens to support that. > (Unless you are already on > , your reply to them will > bounce; I can repost if you'd like.) > > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >>> >> > > -- > /Watashi tachi wa onaji kama no meshi o taberu/ > "We all eat from the same bowl" > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 12 14:30:09 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:30:09 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 In-Reply-To: <417678.46923.qm@smtp112-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <417678.46923.qm@smtp112-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50788BE1.2080302@prodsyse.com> Hi, John, Susie, Gil: GIL: There is a discussion of organizing an event on Prop 37, which would require labeling of Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs). I'm copying you, because you indicated in the past that you might be able to get space on campus for events sponsored by Occupy San Jos?. OSJ has not yet endorsed this, but I'd be shocked if they turned it down if we presented them with a reasonable proposal. ALL: I just requested the Peace Center for the evening of Nov. 2 for this -- to reduce the chances that it might be scheduled for something else while we speak. However, if you want to consider a different venue for this (time or place), that would be fine with me. If you arrange such (or if the Green Party decides NOT to endorse this event on Nov. 2), I will notify the Peace Center that we do not need that space Nov. 2. If you would like space at San Jos? State, you might want to ask Gil Villagran, copied on this email. Spencer On 10/12/2012 1:25 PM, John Thielking wrote: > spencer considering the size of the email list on this already we might want to see if the other organizers esp sjsu might be able to hook up a bigger venue at sjsu or something. i will check with shelby at 6pm today to verify that nov 2 is available. john thielking > -----Original Message----- > Date: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:34:44 am > To: "Greens" > From: "Spencer Graves" > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Why you should vote Yes on Prop 37 > > Hi, John and Susie: > > > SUSIE: > > > 1. John has seen it; I haven't. If I recall correctly, it's 90 > minutes produced by one of the organizations behind Prop 37. > > > 2. Might it be feasible for you to contact your organization, > asking if they would co-sponsor a Prop 37 event to be held at the San > Jos? Peace and Justice Center, Friday evening, Nov. 2, with you all > determining the agenda in conjunction with John Thielking and the Green > Party of Santa Clara County? The Santa Clara Greens have NOT approved > this yet, but it's a Green issue. Could you arrange for someone to come > with a specific proposal for such an event to our next monthly meeting, > Thursday, Oct. 25, 7 PM? It would be wise to circulate a draft through > our County Council (Thielking, myself, Jim Doyle, Drew Johnson, and > Merriam Kathaleen) before then. > > > JOHN: Could you please reply to Susie's questions? She's been working > in the Prop 37 campaign. > > > Thanks, > Spencer > > > On 10/12/2012 9:47 AM, Susie Barton wrote: >> Hi Spencer, >> >> Thank you for helping this process along for an extremely important >> issue. I'll contact my district super but do you know what the movie >> is? We've begun outreach at SJSU which will also increase viewership >> and news broadcast. Please let me know so I can contact Joyce for her >> input on coordination. >> Susie >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list >> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> >> > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >> >> -- >> /Watashi tachi wa onaji kama no meshi o taberu/ >> "We all eat from the same bowl" -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 09:30:57 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Unofficial Minutes of Peace Fair Meeting Message-ID: <1350145857.90840.YahooMailClassic@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Here are the?notes that I took at the last Peace Fair meeting.? The next meeting is scheduled for Thursday, October 18th, 2012 from 5:30PM-7PM.??These notes are being forwarded to?the contact for the HPF?as I have not recieved the minutes from that contact?in my e-mail so I can only presume that the minutes never got sent. ? John Thielking ? ? Holiday Peace Fair Meeting of 10/4/12 ? Looking for co-chair for this year and that person may be tapped as the main organizer for next year. ? total cost of venue including insurance should be less than $1000. ? Not likely that we will get into venue the night before. ? $40 for full table ($35 for bringing your own full size table)? $20 for 1/2 table ($15 for bringing your own 1/2 size table) ? Deadline for signing up for tables and paying for tables is Nov 12, 2012. ? We have room for more tables than last year. ? SJPJC is the sole beneficiary of HPF this year. ? Who from our groups are willing to help staff various tables at the HPF? (1.5 hour shifts available) Tables such as desert table, entrance table need to be staffed.? Also help with clean up. ? Need someone to take over children's activities from 11AM-4PM. ? During the day the student volunteers will be sent to tables of their choice to volunteer and learn about the table/organization that they are at. ? Next meeting will be on the 18th 5:30PM-7PM at SJPJC. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 09:32:40 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Unofficial Minutes of Peace Fair Meeting In-Reply-To: <1350145857.90840.YahooMailClassic@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1350145960.63332.YahooMailClassic@web111112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I will be out of town on October 18th.? So someone else from the GPSCC needs to go to the HPF meeting on October 18th if possible. --- On Sat, 10/13/12, John Thielking wrote: From: John Thielking Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Unofficial Minutes of Peace Fair Meeting To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Cc: joan at rujo.org Date: Saturday, October 13, 2012, 9:30 AM Here are the?notes that I took at the last Peace Fair meeting.? The next meeting is scheduled for Thursday, October 18th, 2012 from 5:30PM-7PM.??These notes are being forwarded to?the contact for the HPF?as I have not recieved the minutes from that contact?in my e-mail so I can only presume that the minutes never got sent. ? John Thielking ? ? Holiday Peace Fair Meeting of 10/4/12 ? Looking for co-chair for this year and that person may be tapped as the main organizer for next year. ? total cost of venue including insurance should be less than $1000. ? Not likely that we will get into venue the night before. ? $40 for full table ($35 for bringing your own full size table)? $20 for 1/2 table ($15 for bringing your own 1/2 size table) ? Deadline for signing up for tables and paying for tables is Nov 12, 2012. ? We have room for more tables than last year. ? SJPJC is the sole beneficiary of HPF this year. ? Who from our groups are willing to help staff various tables at the HPF? (1.5 hour shifts available) Tables such as desert table, entrance table need to be staffed.? Also help with clean up. ? Need someone to take over children's activities from 11AM-4PM. ? During the day the student volunteers will be sent to tables of their choice to volunteer and learn about the table/organization that they are at. ? Next meeting will be on the 18th 5:30PM-7PM at SJPJC. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 11:35:25 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. Message-ID: <1350153325.22033.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Unless I see any objections posted to this e-mail list, I will go ahead and print the following half-sheet flier that my room mate Pete O'Reilly has said he may distribute 100 or so of while I am out of town.? These will be available Sunday, October 14, 2012.? I will have Pete drop off some additional copies of the flier to the Peace Center on Monday. Thanks. ? Sincerely, ? John Thielking ? ? ? Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37 Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette? at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be ? To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org . To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to www.nongmoproject.org. Whole Foods is one of these stores. They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed on the web site. There may be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed by a discussion and a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign before the November 6 election. The date, place and time are not yet confirmed, but the event will be posted to the San Jose Peace Center calendar located at http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar.php John Thielking www.peacemovies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat Oct 13 12:18:53 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:18:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <1350153325.22033.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350153325.22033.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5079BE9D.4090003@prodsyse.com> Hi, John: 1. I just got Jim Doyle's endorsement for such an event. I've left messages for Drew. The last I heard, Merriam was planning to leave today for New Mexico, where she plans to live for the indefinite future. 2. We have the Peace Center reserved for this for Friday, Nov. 2, and I recommend you modify your flier to say that. You can also say that the Green Party has endorsed Prop 37, but do NOT say that the Greens have endorsed this event unless you hear that Drew has agreed that the County Council should endorse this. It's too late to worry about getting another venue. If we have a thousand people appear for this, we can try to play it in the parking lot ;-) Thanks, Spencer On 10/13/2012 11:35 AM, John Thielking wrote: > Unless I see any objections posted to this e-mail list, I will go > ahead and print the following half-sheet flier that my room mate Pete > O'Reilly has said he may distribute 100 or so of while I am out of > town. These will be available Sunday, October 14, 2012. I will have > Pete drop off some additional copies of the flier to the Peace Center > on Monday. Thanks. > Sincerely, > John Thielking > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > Watch the video "Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives" > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and > many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more > calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day > equivalent which would poison a human). My theory is that the > organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the > excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the > animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies that > don't use the standard industry procedures and the individual farmers > who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral deficiencies (among > other things) when feeding their animals GMO feed that result in > animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video "Genetic Roulette" at: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org > . > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO > free label called "Non GMO Project Verified", go to > www.nongmoproject.org . Whole Foods is > one of these stores. They have more products with this label on their > shelves than are listed on the web site. > > > There may be a public showing of the movie "Genetic Roulette" followed > by a discussion and a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign before > the November 6 election. The date, place and time are not yet > confirmed, but the event will be posted to the San Jose Peace Center > calendar located at http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar.php > > > John Thielking > > www.peacemovies.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat Oct 13 12:26:19 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:26:19 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <1350153325.22033.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350153325.22033.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5079C05B.9070908@prodsyse.com> p.s. If the Santa Clara Greens fail to endorse this, you will have to pay $35 for the use of the Peace Center. However, I'd be surprised if there were any Greens anywhere opposed to Prop 37, and I'd be completely astonished if Drew failed to endorse this or if this failed to win approval at our next monthly meeting, Thursday, Oct. 25. Spencer ################### Hi, John: 1. I just got Jim Doyle's endorsement for such an event. I've left messages for Drew. The last I heard, Merriam was planning to leave today for New Mexico, where she plans to live for the indefinite future. 2. We have the Peace Center reserved for this for Friday, Nov. 2, and I recommend you modify your flier to say that. You can also say that the Green Party has endorsed Prop 37, but do NOT say that the Greens have endorsed this event unless you hear that Drew has agreed that the County Council should endorse this. It's too late to worry about getting another venue. If we have a thousand people appear for this, we can try to play it in the parking lot ;-) Thanks, Spencer On 10/13/2012 11:35 AM, John Thielking wrote: > Unless I see any objections posted to this e-mail list, I will go > ahead and print the following half-sheet flier that my room mate Pete > O'Reilly has said he may distribute 100 or so of while I am out of > town. These will be available Sunday, October 14, 2012. I will have > Pete drop off some additional copies of the flier to the Peace Center > on Monday. Thanks. > Sincerely, > John Thielking > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > Watch the video "Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives" > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and > many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more > calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day > equivalent which would poison a human). My theory is that the > organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the > excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the > animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies that > don't use the standard industry procedures and the individual farmers > who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral deficiencies (among > other things) when feeding their animals GMO feed that result in > animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video "Genetic Roulette" at: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org > . > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO > free label called "Non GMO Project Verified", go to > www.nongmoproject.org . Whole Foods is > one of these stores. They have more products with this label on their > shelves than are listed on the web site. > > > There may be a public showing of the movie "Genetic Roulette" followed > by a discussion and a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign before > the November 6 election. The date, place and time are not yet > confirmed, but the event will be posted to the San Jose Peace Center > calendar located at http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar.php > > > John Thielking > > www.peacemovies.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perrysandy at aol.com Sat Oct 13 13:04:51 2012 From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FIGHTING FOR OUR FUTURE - CHERI HONKALA IN SAN JOSE OCT 21 In-Reply-To: <5079C05B.9070908@prodsyse.com> References: <1350153325.22033.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5079C05B.9070908@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <8CF779522FAD3E5-E78-3E43C@webmail-m128.sysops.aol.com> FIGHTING FOR OUR FUTURE! Lifelong anti-poverty activist and current Green Party candidatefor Vice President Cheri Honkala will speak in San Jose on Sunday evening ,October 21. She will dialogue with the audience during a hip hop concert from 6to 8 pm at Silicon Valley DeBug Community Center, 701 Lentzen Avenue in SanJose. The concert will feature Metafizix, Rahman Jamaal, DLabrie, andShamako Noble. Admission is free but donations will be requested. Cheri Honkala is director of the Poor People?s Economic HumanRights Campaign. She has fought for housing for everyone ever since herexperience as a homeless mother in Minnesota in the 1980s. Recently she hasbecome a nationally recognized leader in the fight to resist foreclosures. The two major parties today are promising NOTHING in this election,and instead each one accuses the other of being worse. In fact BOTH of thempropose to scale back spending on housing, health care, education, and SocialSecurity at the very time when we need these programs more than ever. Theironly disagreement is over how fast to do it. The Green Party ticket of Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala isadvancing a positive vision called the Green New Deal. The Green New Dealprojects a 1930s-style jobs program to restore our schools and universities,transit systems, health care delivery, and environment (see jillstein.org). The burning question today is not lesser evils, but the basicdirection for our country. Instead of bipartisan bank bailouts, let?s investour national resources in a better world for our children. Instead of holding hungergames, let?s build a moral society based on the spiritual values of love andcommunity. Voting Green in California is part of a long term strategy tobuild a viable third party for the future. A strong Green Party vote today laysthe foundation for the battle in the days ahead. FIGHTING FOR OUR FUTURE! Lifelong anti-poverty activist and current Green Party candidatefor Vice President Cheri Honkala will speak in San Jose on Sunday evening ,October 21. She will dialogue with the audience during a hip hop concert from 6to 8 pm at Silicon Valley DeBug Community Center, 701 Lentzen Avenue in SanJose. The concert will feature Metafizix, Rahman Jamaal, DLabrie, andShamako Noble. Admission is free but donations will be requested. Cheri Honkala is director of the Poor People?s Economic HumanRights Campaign. She has fought for housing for everyone ever since herexperience as a homeless mother in Minnesota in the 1980s. Recently she hasbecome a nationally recognized leader in the fight to resist foreclosures. The two major parties today are promising NOTHING in this election,and instead each one accuses the other of being worse. In fact BOTH of thempropose to scale back spending on housing, health care, education, and SocialSecurity at the very time when we need these programs more than ever. Theironly disagreement is over how fast to do it. The Green Party ticket of Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala isadvancing a positive vision called the Green New Deal. The Green New Dealprojects a 1930s-style jobs program to restore our schools and universities,transit systems, health care delivery, and environment (see jillstein.org). The burning question today is not lesser evils, but the basicdirection for our country. Instead of bipartisan bank bailouts, let?s investour national resources in a better world for our children. Instead of holding hungergames, let?s build a moral society based on the spiritual values of love andcommunity. Voting Green in California is part of a long term strategy tobuild a viable third party for the future. A strong Green Party vote today laysthe foundation for the battle in the days ahead. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 14:35:33 2012 From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] (no subject) Message-ID: <1350164133.73959.androidMobile@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Caroline Yacoub and John Thielking are asking if someone else could represent the Green Party at the Oct 18th Holiday Peace Faire organizational meeting. Please step forward someone. How about someone new or who hasn't been active for a while? Green is GO! Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 13 15:40:16 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:40:16 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <1350153325.22033.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350153325.22033.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5079EDD0.9060803@earthlink.net> I think you should include this URL somewhere. http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ Maybe instead of the youtube URL? I am a little concerned with the statement on the short lived window which says "Watch Genetic Roulette free Oct 10-17". What happens after Oct. 17? Will it be pulled from http://geneticroulettemovie.com/? Will it be pulled from youtube? Gerry John Thielking wrote: > Unless I see any objections posted to this e-mail list, I will go ahead > and print the following half-sheet flier that my room mate Pete O'Reilly > has said he may distribute 100 or so of while I am out of town. These > will be available Sunday, October 14, 2012. I will have Pete drop off > some additional copies of the flier to the Peace Center on Monday. Thanks. > Sincerely, > John Thielking > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org > . > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to www.nongmoproject.org > . Whole Foods is one of these stores. > They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed > on the web site. > > > There may be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed > by a discussion and a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign before > the November 6 election. The date, place and time are not yet confirmed, > but the event will be posted to the San Jose Peace Center calendar > located at http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar.php > > > John Thielking > > www.peacemovies.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 16:57:23 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <5079EDD0.9060803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1350172643.16405.YahooMailClassic@web111107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Gerry, ? I will include both the url you mentioned and the youtube url.? I suspect that the youtube version will still be up after the free trial period is over. All the more reason to get this stuff out now before the free versions might be pulled. ?Thanks. John Thielking --- On Sat, 10/13/12, Gerry Gras wrote: From: Gerry Gras Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. To: "John Thielking" Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, tsubaka360 at gmail.com, "merriam k" Date: Saturday, October 13, 2012, 3:40 PM I think you should include this URL somewhere. ? ???http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ Maybe instead of the youtube URL? I am a little concerned with the statement on the short lived window which says "Watch Genetic Roulette free Oct 10-17".? What happens after Oct. 17? Will it be pulled from http://geneticroulettemovie.com/? Will it be pulled from youtube? Gerry John Thielking wrote: > Unless I see any objections posted to this e-mail list, I will go ahead > and print the following half-sheet flier that my room mate Pete O'Reilly > has said he may distribute 100 or so of while I am out of town.? These > will be available Sunday, October 14, 2012.? I will have Pete drop off > some additional copies of the flier to the Peace Center on Monday. Thanks. > Sincerely, > John Thielking > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org > . > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to www.nongmoproject.org > . Whole Foods is one of these stores. > They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed > on the web site. > > > There may be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed > by a discussion and a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign before > the November 6 election. The date, place and time are not yet confirmed, > but the event will be posted to the San Jose Peace Center calendar > located at http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar.php > > > John Thielking > > www.peacemovies.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat Oct 13 19:59:10 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:59:10 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Hearing Monday, Oct. 15, Dept. 9, Santa Clara County Superior Court, new courthouse building, 191 North First Street, San Jose, CA Message-ID: <507A2A7E.10702@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: JUDGE ORDERED STAR CHAMBER DEPOSITION The hearing last Friday, Oct. 12, 9 AM, was canceled at the last minute, because David Merritt successfully filed a request for reconsideration of the decision that Judge Stoelker would NOT be recused from the case. In brief, the reviewing judge noted that consistent decisions against one party in a suit do not establish bias, even if those decisions are contrary to law. I agree. The standard is whether, "A person aware of the facts might reasonably entertain a doubt that the judge would be able to be impartial." The facts in this case include Judge Stoelker ordering a deposition being taken of Salma Merritt, disabled in frail health without independent observers and independent record of the proceedings by an attorney who previously screamed obscenities and physically assaulted Salma's elderly father-in-law. On those grounds, I believe the weight of the evidence would say that Stoelker was biased in favor of his previous clients. For more info, see "Merritt v Countrywide" at occupy.pbworks.com (or http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/57677826/Merritt%20v%20Countrywide). HOW MUCH MUST WE PAY FOR EQUAL JUSTICE? The next hearing in this case is scheduled for next Monday, Oct. 15, 9 AM, Dept. 9, Santa Clara County Superior Court, new courthouse building, 191 North First Street, San Jose, CA. This hearing will determine whether the Merritts will continue to be eligible for fee waivers in filing legal documents with the courts. This may sound like a minor issue, but there have been over 600 documents filed so far in this case, and the standard filing fee for many documents is $435 each. If 300 of those were filed by David Merritt and if he had to pay $435 for a third of those, that, $43,500. That's nothing for Bank of America, but is a large sum of money for people like the Merritts. I plan to be there Monday at 9 AM. I hope to see some of you there with me, humbly beseeching for equal justice under the law. Best Wishes, Spencer M: 408-655-4567 ##################### The next hearing in Merritt v. Mozillo is scheduled for this Friday, Oct. 12, 9 AM, in Dept. 18, Santa Clara County Superior Court, old courthouse building, 161 North First Street, San Jos?, CA. For more information, including to confirm the the time, please, "Merritt v Countrywide" at "occupy.pbworks.com". If you can come, please do so. We all want to believe in equal justice under the law. Unfortunately, the development of the current international financial crisis is consistent with the claim that the wealthy write the laws (and control the media) to benefit them.[1] This seems like one more example of the principle enunciated by Anacharsis in ancient Athens that, "Laws are spider webs, which catch the little flies, but cannot hold the big ones."[2] Vaclav Havel, prominent Czech dissident, imprisoned under the Communists and later selected as the first President of post-Communist Czechoslovakia, noted that people were "easily and inconspicuously locked up for copying banned books [but] policemen, prosecutors or judges [would] suddenly and anxiously begin to take particular care that no cracks appear in the ritual" when considering a case that drew substantial attention.[3] Currently, elite financial fraud has reportedly been decriminalized.[4] Your presence in the court this Friday could improve the chances for equal justice under the law. Thanks, Spencer [1] David Graeber (2011) Debt: The First 5000 Years (Melville House) [2] Wikipedia, "Anacharsis" [3] V?clav Havel (1985) The Power of the Powerless (M. E. Sharpe, pp. 75-77) [4] Bill Black (Dec. 28, 2010) "2011 Will Bring More De facto Decriminalization of Elite Financial Fraud", Next New Deal: Blog of the Roosevelt Institute (http://www.nextnewdeal.net/2011-will-bring-more-de-facto-decriminalization-elite-financial-fraud). Paul Jay interview with William K. Black regarding "get tough on banks" claims in Obama's State of the Union message, The Real News Network, c. 9 March 2012 (http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7926). John T. Burke, Jr. (Apr. 16, 2012) "Another Slap On the Wrists", TheCenterLane.Com (www.thecenterlane.com/?tag=savings-and-loan-crisis). William K. Black (2005) The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One (U. of Texas Pr.). -- Spencer Graves, PhD Executive Director effectivedefense.org 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 13 20:23:17 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:23:17 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] UNAFF : 10/18-28 In-Reply-To: <507A2D05.3020609@earthlink.net> References: <507A2D05.3020609@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <507A3025.5020407@earthlink.net> Hi, The United Nations Association Film Festival is back: http://www.unaff.org/ Some films ... ===================== Climate Change: Greedy Lying Bastards: Greedy Lying Bastards presents a searing indictment of the influence, deceit and corruption that defines the fossil fuel industry. Bidder 70 Tim DeChristopher as Bidder 70 saved thousands of acres from a flawed action. He is now in prison. ===================== Nuclear War: The Red Button: The Red Button tells the dramatic story of Stanislaw Petrov, the Russian officer who, in 1983, saved the world from atomic war. ===================== Food: In Short Supply: Small Farmers and the Struggle to Deliver Healthy Food to Your Plate Nothing Like Chocolate: Deep in the rain forests of Grenada, anarchist chocolatier Mott Green seeks solutions to the problems of a ravaged global chocolate industry. ===================== Misc.: Rebels With a Cause: The daring, rebellious, young crusaders in the 1950s through the 1980s who figured out new ways to save their communities are the heart of Rebels With a Cause This Space Available: Billboards and commercial messages dominate the public space like never before. Can we reverse this visual pollution? Ten Quintillion: Ten Quintillion features a tiny garden and the creatures that rely on its existence to survive. The Lord Is Not On Trial Here Today: The Lord Is Not On Trial Here Today tells the compelling personal story behind one of the most important and landmark First Amendment cases in US history, the case that established the separation of church and state in public schools. Doctors of the Dark Side Doctors of the Dark Side is the first feature length documentary about the pivotal role of physicians and psychologists in detainee torture. Empress Hotel The film gives unusual access into the everyday lives of those who fell through the cracks of the social services system, focusing on the stories of ten residents. State of Control State of Control shows a never-before-seen side of the Tibet/China struggle. The film also broadens out to look at the global question of Internet freedom. Surviving Progress Humanity's ascent is often measured by the speed of progress. But what if progress is actually spiraling us downwards, towards collapse? ===================== Gerry From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 20:46:00 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <5079EDD0.9060803@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1350186360.40812.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This is the final version of the 1/2 page flier which will be printed on Sunday 10/14/12. Thanks for all the help and the endorsement from the GP County Council.? One final detail: Since Merriam will no longer be with us, who is going to manage the keys to the Peace Center and lock up after the movie? ? John Thielking ? ? Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37 Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette? at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be???? or ? http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ ? To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org . To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to www.nongmoproject.org. Whole Foods is one of these stores. They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed on the web site. Also check out www.nogmoshoppingguide.com. There will be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed by a discussion, and possibly a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign. Genetic Roulette --- The Gamble Of Our Lives Friday, November 2, 2012, 6PM to 10PM San Jose Peace Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose, CA This event is co-sponsored by the Santa Clara County Green Party. Flier by John Thielking, www.peacemovies.com. Labor and printing donated. --- On Sat, 10/13/12, Gerry Gras wrote: From: Gerry Gras Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. To: "John Thielking" Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, tsubaka360 at gmail.com, "merriam k" Date: Saturday, October 13, 2012, 3:40 PM I think you should include this URL somewhere. ? ???http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ Maybe instead of the youtube URL? I am a little concerned with the statement on the short lived window which says "Watch Genetic Roulette free Oct 10-17".? What happens after Oct. 17? Will it be pulled from http://geneticroulettemovie.com/? Will it be pulled from youtube? Gerry John Thielking wrote: > Unless I see any objections posted to this e-mail list, I will go ahead > and print the following half-sheet flier that my room mate Pete O'Reilly > has said he may distribute 100 or so of while I am out of town.? These > will be available Sunday, October 14, 2012.? I will have Pete drop off > some additional copies of the flier to the Peace Center on Monday. Thanks. > Sincerely, > John Thielking > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org > . > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to www.nongmoproject.org > . Whole Foods is one of these stores. > They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed > on the web site. > > > There may be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed > by a discussion and a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign before > the November 6 election. The date, place and time are not yet confirmed, > but the event will be posted to the San Jose Peace Center calendar > located at http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar.php > > > John Thielking > > www.peacemovies.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Oct 13 21:12:09 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:12:09 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GMO Labeling Prop Battle is heating up In-Reply-To: <507A3ADE.6020607@earthlink.net> References: <507A3ADE.6020607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <507A3B99.1070708@earthlink.net> I support the "Yes on 37" campaign to label GMOs. Apparently the battle is getting hot. Here's a perspective of the battle from the "Yes on 37" campaign: "Fighting For Prop 37: The Truth that $36 Million Can?t Hide" http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/13-3 NOTE: This sounds typical to me. I have seen it time and time again that big corporations will spend lots of money to defeat a prop. Doesn't always work, but often it does. Here's an article from Michael Pollan: "Why California?s Proposition 37 Should Matter to Anyone Who Cares About Food" "On November 6, Vote for the Dinner Party" http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/11-10 It's about - the national importance of Prop 37 - consumers don't trust producers - producers don't trust consumers - the power of Big Food - consumer movement vs. political movement - possible court battle if it passes - Obama does not see a food movement and more Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 00:17:04 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 00:17:04 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <1350186360.40812.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350186360.40812.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507A66F0.2010503@earthlink.net> I apologize for not thinking of this before. How about adding the URL for the "Yes on 37" campaign: http://www.carighttoknow.org/ Gerry John Thielking wrote: > This is the final version of the 1/2 page flier which will be printed on > Sunday 10/14/12. Thanks for all the help and the endorsement from the GP > County Council. One final detail: Since Merriam will no longer be with > us, who is going to manage the keys to the Peace Center and lock up > after the movie? > John Thielking > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be_ or > > http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to _www.responsibletechnology.org > _. > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to _www.nongmoproject.org > _. Whole Foods is one of these stores. > They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed > on the web site. Also check out www.nogmoshoppingguide.com > . > > > There will be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed > by a discussion, and possibly a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign. > > > *Genetic Roulette --- The Gamble Of Our Lives * > > *Friday, November 2, 2012, 6PM to 10PM* > > *San Jose Peace Center, 48 South 7^th Street, San Jose, CA * > > This event is co-sponsored by the Santa Clara County Green Party. > > Flier by John Thielking, www.peacemovies.com > . Labor and printing donated. > > --- On *Sat, 10/13/12, Gerry Gras //* wrote: > > > From: Gerry Gras > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible > movie showing. > To: "John Thielking" > Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, tsubaka360 at gmail.com, "merriam k" > > Date: Saturday, October 13, 2012, 3:40 PM > > > I think you should include this URL somewhere. > http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ > > Maybe instead of the youtube URL? > > I am a little concerned with the statement on the > short lived window which says "Watch Genetic > Roulette free Oct 10-17". What happens after Oct. 17? > Will it be pulled from http://geneticroulettemovie.com/? > Will it be pulled from youtube? > > Gerry > > > John Thielking wrote: > > Unless I see any objections posted to this e-mail list, I will go > ahead > > and print the following half-sheet flier that my room mate Pete > O'Reilly > > has said he may distribute 100 or so of while I am out of town. > These > > will be available Sunday, October 14, 2012. I will have Pete > drop off > > some additional copies of the flier to the Peace Center on > Monday. Thanks. > > Sincerely, > > John Thielking > > > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > > > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch > it. It > > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats > (and many > > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more > calcium than > > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which > would > > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad > > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of > course the > > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those > little > > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry > procedures > > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals > > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their > animals GMO > > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video > > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be > > > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org > > . > > > > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the > GMO free > > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to www.nongmoproject.org > > . Whole Foods is one of these stores. > > They have more products with this label on their shelves than are > listed > > on the web site. > > > > > > There may be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? > followed > > by a discussion and a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign before > > the November 6 election. The date, place and time are not yet > confirmed, > > but the event will be posted to the San Jose Peace Center calendar > > located at http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar.php > > > > > > John Thielking > > > > www.peacemovies.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 00:49:51 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 00:49:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Human Banner - "Dump Citizens Banner" In-Reply-To: <507A6DA4.3090200@earthlink.net> References: <507A6DA4.3090200@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <507A6E9F.4080307@earthlink.net> Story / pictures available at: http://other98.com/over-1000-people-spell-out-dump-citizens-united/ Gerry From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 08:50:47 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 08:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <507A66F0.2010503@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1350229847.58835.YahooMailClassic@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Final final version.? See below: ? Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37 Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette? at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be or http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ ? To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org . To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to www.nongmoproject.org. Whole Foods is one of these stores. They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed on the web site. Also check out www.nogmoshoppingguide.com. There will be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed by a discussion, and possibly a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign. The web site for the Yes on 37 campaign is: http://www.carighttoknow.org/. Genetic Roulette --- The Gamble Of Our Lives Friday, November 2, 2012, 6PM to 10PM San Jose Peace Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose, CA This event is co-sponsored by the Santa Clara County Green Party. Flier by John Thielking, www.peacemovies.com. Labor and printing donated. --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Gerry Gras wrote: From: Gerry Gras Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. To: "John Thielking" Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, tsubaka360 at gmail.com, "merriam k" Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 12:17 AM I apologize for not thinking of this before. How about adding the URL for the "Yes on 37" campaign: ? ???http://www.carighttoknow.org/ Gerry John Thielking wrote: > This is the final version of the 1/2 page flier which will be printed on > Sunday 10/14/12. Thanks for all the help and the endorsement from the GP > County Council.? One final detail: Since Merriam will no longer be with > us, who is going to manage the keys to the Peace Center and lock up > after the movie? > John Thielking > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be_? ???or > > http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to _www.responsibletechnology.org > _. > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to _www.nongmoproject.org > _. Whole Foods is one of these stores. > They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed > on the web site. Also check out www.nogmoshoppingguide.com > . > > > There will be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed > by a discussion, and possibly a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign. > > > *Genetic Roulette --- The Gamble Of Our Lives * > > *Friday, November 2, 2012, 6PM to 10PM* > > *San Jose Peace Center, 48 South 7^th Street, San Jose, CA * > > This event is co-sponsored by the Santa Clara County Green Party. > > Flier by John Thielking, www.peacemovies.com > . Labor and printing donated. > > --- On *Sat, 10/13/12, Gerry Gras //* wrote: > > >? ???From: Gerry Gras >? ???Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible >? ???movie showing. >? ???To: "John Thielking" >? ???Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, tsubaka360 at gmail.com, "merriam k" >? ??? >? ???Date: Saturday, October 13, 2012, 3:40 PM > > >? ???I think you should include this URL somewhere. >? ???http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ > >? ???Maybe instead of the youtube URL? > >? ???I am a little concerned with the statement on the >? ???short lived window which says "Watch Genetic >? ???Roulette free Oct 10-17".? What happens after Oct. 17? >? ???Will it be pulled from http://geneticroulettemovie.com/? >? ???Will it be pulled from youtube? > >? ???Gerry > > >? ???John Thielking wrote: >? ? ? > Unless I see any objections posted to this e-mail list, I will go >? ???ahead >? ? ? > and print the following half-sheet flier that my room mate Pete >? ???O'Reilly >? ? ? > has said he may distribute 100 or so of while I am out of town. >? ???These >? ? ? > will be available Sunday, October 14, 2012.? I will have Pete >? ???drop off >? ? ? > some additional copies of the flier to the Peace Center on >? ???Monday. Thanks. >? ? ? > Sincerely, >? ? ? > John Thielking >? ? ? > >? ? ? > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* >? ? ? > >? ? ? > >? ? ? > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? >? ? ? > >? ? ? > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch >? ???it. It >? ? ? > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with >? ? ? > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show >? ? ? > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats >? ???(and many >? ? ? > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more >? ???calcium than >? ? ? > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which >? ???would >? ? ? > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad >? ? ? > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of >? ???course the >? ? ? > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those >? ???little >? ? ? > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry >? ???procedures >? ? ? > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals >? ? ? > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their >? ???animals GMO >? ? ? > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video >? ? ? > ?Genetic Roulette? at: >? ? ? > >? ? ? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be >? ? ? > >? ? ? > To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org >? ? ? > . >? ? ? > >? ? ? > >? ? ? > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the >? ???GMO free >? ? ? > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to www.nongmoproject.org >? ? ? > . Whole Foods is one of these stores. >? ? ? > They have more products with this label on their shelves than are >? ???listed >? ? ? > on the web site. >? ? ? > >? ? ? > >? ? ? > There may be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? >? ???followed >? ? ? > by a discussion and a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign before >? ? ? > the November 6 election. The date, place and time are not yet >? ???confirmed, >? ? ? > but the event will be posted to the San Jose Peace Center calendar >? ? ? > located at http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar.php >? ? ? > >? ? ? > >? ? ? > John Thielking >? ? ? > >? ? ? > www.peacemovies.com >? ? ? > >? ? ? > >? ? ? > >? ? ? > _______________________________________________ >? ? ? > sosfbay-discuss mailing list >? ? ? > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >? ??? >? ? ? > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss >? ? ? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 09:13:33 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 09:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Final Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <1350229847.58835.YahooMailClassic@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1350231213.37899.YahooMailClassic@web111105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> One more change: final final final version now :>) ? Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37 --- Label Genetically Modified Foods Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette? at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be or http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ To order a DVD copy of the video go to www.responsibletechnology.org . To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to www.nongmoproject.org. Whole Foods is one of these stores. They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed on the web site. Also check out www.nogmoshoppingguide.com. There will be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed by a discussion, and possibly a presentation from the Yes on 37 campaign. The web site for the Yes on 37 campaign is: http://www.carighttoknow.org/. Genetic Roulette --- The Gamble Of Our Lives Friday, November 2, 2012, 6PM to 10PM San Jose Peace Center, 48 South 7th Street, San Jose, CA This event is co-sponsored by the Santa Clara County Green Party. Flier by John Thielking, www.peacemovies.com. Labor and printing donated. ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 10:02:41 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:02:41 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <1350229847.58835.YahooMailClassic@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350229847.58835.YahooMailClassic@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507AF031.7010302@earthlink.net> Ok with me. Gerry John Thielking wrote: > Final final version. See below: > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. It > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats (and many > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more calcium than > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which would > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of course the > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those little > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry procedures > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be_or > _http://geneticroulettemovie.com/_ > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to _www.responsibletechnology.org > _. > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO free > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to _www.nongmoproject.org > _. Whole Foods is one of these stores. > They have more products with this label on their shelves than are listed > on the web site. Also check out _www.nogmoshoppingguide.com > _. > > > There will be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? followed > by a discussion, and possibly a presentation from the Yes on 37 > campaign. The web site for the Yes on 37 campaign is: > http://www.carighttoknow.org/. > > > *Genetic Roulette --- The Gamble Of Our Lives * > > *Friday, November 2, 2012, 6PM to 10PM* > > *San Jose Peace Center, 48 South 7*^*th* *Street, San Jose, CA * > > This event is co-sponsored by the Santa Clara County Green Party. > > Flier by John Thielking, _www.peacemovies.com > _. Labor and printing donated. > --- On *Sun, 10/14/12, Gerry Gras //* wrote: > > > From: Gerry Gras > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on > 37 and possible movie showing. > To: "John Thielking" > Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, tsubaka360 at gmail.com, "merriam k" > > Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 12:17 AM > > > I apologize for not thinking of this before. > > How about adding the URL for the "Yes on 37" campaign: > http://www.carighttoknow.org/ > > Gerry > > > John Thielking wrote: > > This is the final version of the 1/2 page flier which will be > printed on > > Sunday 10/14/12. Thanks for all the help and the endorsement from > the GP > > County Council. One final detail: Since Merriam will no longer > be with > > us, who is going to manage the keys to the Peace Center and lock up > > after the movie? > > John Thielking > > > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > > > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch > it. It > > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems with > > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often do show > > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats > (and many > > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more > calcium than > > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day equivalent which > would > > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates and other bad > > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of > course the > > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It is those > little > > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry > procedures > > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals > > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their > animals GMO > > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video > > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be_ or > > > > http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ > > > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to _www.responsibletechnology.org > > _. > > > > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the > GMO free > > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to _www.nongmoproject.org > > _. Whole Foods is one of these stores. > > They have more products with this label on their shelves than are > listed > > on the web site. Also check out www.nogmoshoppingguide.com > > . > > > > > > There will be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? > followed > > by a discussion, and possibly a presentation from the Yes on 37 > campaign. > > > > > > *Genetic Roulette --- The Gamble Of Our Lives * > > > > *Friday, November 2, 2012, 6PM to 10PM* > > > > *San Jose Peace Center, 48 South 7^th Street, San Jose, CA * > > > > This event is co-sponsored by the Santa Clara County Green Party. > > > > Flier by John Thielking, www.peacemovies.com > > . Labor and printing donated. > > > > --- On *Sat, 10/13/12, Gerry Gras / >/* > wrote: > > > > > > From: Gerry Gras > > > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and > possible > > movie showing. > > To: "John Thielking" > > > Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > , > tsubaka360 at gmail.com > , "merriam > k" > > > > > Date: Saturday, October 13, 2012, 3:40 PM > > > > > > I think you should include this URL somewhere. > > http://geneticroulettemovie.com/ > > > > Maybe instead of the youtube URL? > > > > I am a little concerned with the statement on the > > short lived window which says "Watch Genetic > > Roulette free Oct 10-17". What happens after Oct. 17? > > Will it be pulled from http://geneticroulettemovie.com/? > > Will it be pulled from youtube? > > > > Gerry > > > > > > John Thielking wrote: > > > Unless I see any objections posted to this e-mail list, I > will go > > ahead > > > and print the following half-sheet flier that my room mate > Pete > > O'Reilly > > > has said he may distribute 100 or so of while I am out of > town. > > These > > > will be available Sunday, October 14, 2012. I will have Pete > > drop off > > > some additional copies of the flier to the Peace Center on > > Monday. Thanks. > > > Sincerely, > > > John Thielking > > > > > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37* > > > > > > > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our > Lives? > > > > > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to > watch > > it. It > > > was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no > problems with > > > GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers > often do show > > > problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab rats > > (and many > > > farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much more > > calcium than > > > a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day > equivalent which > > would > > > poison a human). My theory is that the organophosphates > and other bad > > > stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by the excess calcium so of > > course the > > > industry studies won't show the animals getting sick. It > is those > > little > > > noticed oddball studies that don't use the standard industry > > procedures > > > and the individual farmers who are unknowingly giving > their animals > > > mineral deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their > > animals GMO > > > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the > video > > > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be > > > > > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to > www.responsibletechnology.org > > > . > > > > > > > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the > > GMO free > > > label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to > www.nongmoproject.org > > > . Whole Foods is one of > these stores. > > > They have more products with this label on their shelves > than are > > listed > > > on the web site. > > > > > > > > > There may be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? > > followed > > > by a discussion and a presentation from the Yes on 37 > campaign before > > > the November 6 election. The date, place and time are not yet > > confirmed, > > > but the event will be posted to the San Jose Peace Center > calendar > > > located at http://www.sanjosepeace.org/calendar.php > > > > > > > > > John Thielking > > > > > > www.peacemovies.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > > > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > > > > > > > > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > > > > From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 10:08:08 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:08:08 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Final Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <1350231213.37899.YahooMailClassic@web111105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350231213.37899.YahooMailClassic@web111105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <507AF178.6020707@earthlink.net> Ok with me. Gerry John Thielking wrote: > One more change: final final final version now :>) > > *Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37 --- Label Genetically Modified > Foods* > > > Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > > This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. > It was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems > with GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often > do show problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab > rats (and many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much > more calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day > equivalent which would poison a human). My theory is that the > organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by > the excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the > animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies > that don't use the standard industry procedures and the individual > farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral > deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO > feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video > ?Genetic Roulette? at: > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be_or > _http://geneticroulettemovie.com/_ > > To order a DVD copy of the video go to > _www.responsibletechnology.org > _. > > > To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO > free label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to > _www.nongmoproject.org _. Whole Foods > is one of these stores. They have more products with this label on > their shelves than are listed on the web site. Also check out > _www.nogmoshoppingguide.com _. > > > There will be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? > followed by a discussion, and possibly a presentation from the Yes > on 37 campaign. The web site for the Yes on 37 campaign is: > http://www.carighttoknow.org/. > > > *Genetic Roulette --- The Gamble Of Our Lives * > > *Friday, November 2, 2012, 6PM to 10PM* > > *San Jose Peace Center, 48 South 7*^*th* *Street, San Jose, CA * > > This event is co-sponsored by the Santa Clara County Green Party. > > Flier by John Thielking, _www.peacemovies.com > _. Labor and printing donated. > > > From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 14:24:03 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:24:03 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: More re: NYC Occupy the Debates and the Google+ presidential debates this week! In-Reply-To: <507b19917cdfd_424e133cefc521f5@app5.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <507b19917cdfd_424e133cefc521f5@app5.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <507B2D73.3020706@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jill Stein for President Subject: More re: NYC Occupy the Debates and the Google+ presidential debates this week! Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:59:13 +0000 Size: 11701 URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 14:49:17 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Final Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. In-Reply-To: <507AF178.6020707@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1350251357.37938.YahooMailClassic@web111107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 250 fliers are now in the Peace Center main lobby.? The lobby is open many more hours than the Peace Center itself.? Feel free to take some and/or make more copies. Thanks. ? John Thielking --- On Sun, 10/14/12, Gerry Gras wrote: From: Gerry Gras Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Final Final Version: Proposed Flier For Yes on 37 and possible movie showing. To: "John Thielking" Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org, tsubaka360 at gmail.com, "merriam k" Date: Sunday, October 14, 2012, 10:08 AM Ok with me. Gerry John Thielking wrote: > One more change: final final final version now :>) > >? ???*Why You Should Vote Yes On Prop 37 --- Label Genetically Modified >? ???Foods* > > >? ???Watch the video ?Genetic Roulette ----- The Gamble Of Our Lives? > >? ???This video says it all. Take 1.5 hours out of your day to watch it. >? ???It was well worth my time. Industry funded studies show no problems >? ???with GMOs but independent studies and anecdotes from farmers often >? ???do show problems. My pet peeve is that the standard diet for lab >? ???rats (and many farm animals) contains about 1% calcium. This is much >? ???more calcium than a human would ever ingest (5000-10000 mg per day >? ???equivalent which would poison a human). My theory is that the >? ???organophosphates and other bad stuff in GMO feed is detoxified by >? ???the excess calcium so of course the industry studies won't show the >? ???animals getting sick. It is those little noticed oddball studies >? ???that don't use the standard industry procedures and the individual >? ???farmers who are unknowingly giving their animals mineral >? ???deficiencies (among other things) when feeding their animals GMO >? ???feed that result in animals getting sick from GMOs. Watch the video >? ????Genetic Roulette? at: > >? ???_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnlTYFKBg18&feature=youtu.be_or >? ???_http://geneticroulettemovie.com/_ > >? ???To order a DVD copy of the video go to >? ???_www.responsibletechnology.org >? ???_. > > >? ???To find local grocers in your area that sell products with the GMO >? ???free label called ?Non GMO Project Verified?, go to >? ???_www.nongmoproject.org _. Whole Foods >? ???is one of these stores. They have more products with this label on >? ???their shelves than are listed on the web site. Also check out >? ???_www.nogmoshoppingguide.com _. > > >? ???There will be a public showing of the movie ?Genetic Roulette? >? ???followed by a discussion, and possibly a presentation from the Yes >? ???on 37 campaign. The web site for the Yes on 37 campaign is: >? ???http://www.carighttoknow.org/. > > >? ???*Genetic Roulette --- The Gamble Of Our Lives * > >? ???*Friday, November 2, 2012, 6PM to 10PM* > >? ???*San Jose Peace Center, 48 South 7*^*th* *Street, San Jose, CA * > >? ???This event is co-sponsored by the Santa Clara County Green Party. > >? ???Flier by John Thielking, _www.peacemovies.com >? ???_. Labor and printing donated. > >? ??? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Sun Oct 14 16:15:49 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 16:15:49 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Notes from Nader's Talk in Palo Alto the 11th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Note: parenthetical sentences are when I have inserted material from another part of the talk in an effort to improve flow. It's easier than we think to turn the country around. People are demoralized, cynical, helpless--but there is a national consensus on simple things that could be done. (There are so many problems we don't deserve, and solutions are available.) Hundreds of thousands died needlessly, in cars that could kill you in a 15 mph crash, before the need for auto safety was recognized. Auto seat belts, padded dashboards, and head restraints had been designed long before. He went up against GM armed with the facts, he did not exaggerated corporate power, and he never considered that he might not win. Corporations want to control their business environment: government, consumers, labor, academia. Strategic donations to Caltech and MIT prevented them from investigating auto safety--he saw that when he wrote "Unsafe at Any Speed." 45,000 Americans die every year because they didn't get health treatment in time. We suffer under a "draconian conglomeration of ignorance, arrogance, stupidity, and cruelty." A mere 1% of Americans has the power to mount a congressional watchdog campaign to steer Congress into directions the majority of Americans support, such as establishing health care and raising minimum wage, law and order against corporate crime, and removing the perverse incentives and complexity of current tax policy. Before we tax labor let's tax things we don't like: speculation, pollution, corporate crime, addictive products. Americans dislike wars against countries that are no threat. 70% want out of Afghanistan. Half the country opposed the Iraq war despite the propaganda machine, and the majority considers the military budget inflated and full of waste and fraud. When one Trident missile warhead can destroy 200 cities, why are we building more submarines? Aircraft carriers cost $15 billion apiece. We have 13. Our nearest rival, Italy, has 2. Remember Eisenhower's "Cross of Iron" speech. Congress should have skin in the war game: draft congressional family members first. We need civic training in the schools. Physical education is being dropped even while kids get fatter and more diabetic, watching violent TV while munching junk food. See the book "Stop Teaching our Children to Kill". Civil liberties abuses continue indefinite detention, warrantless searches. To deflate knee-jerk anti-regulatory dogma, just ask the ideologue if automobile safety should be left to market reaction. The Justice Department prosecutes few environmental crimes and employs only 78 environmental lawyers. Three years after the financial crisis no perpetrator has been jailed. A bank robber turned down a wad of cash and took only $100, turned himself in the next day, and got 15 years. Corporations don't face three strikes provisions or probation. Hundreds of Savings and Loan executives were jailed in the 80s. Enron executives were jailed. Government procurement can stimulate innovation. The GSA buys 40,000 cars a year. Nader asked them to specify airbags. GM and Chrysler refused to bid. Ford bid on 5000 units. Half of us don't vote. Legislators flatter, fool, and flummox us. And they don't use the word "posterity" any more. To be effective citizen advocates we need training: learn the rules, learn to lobby, to hold press conferences, do FOIA requests, and fight burnout. (Never before has Nader seen more pessimism, demoralization, more stupid elected officials who have sold their power. 25% of Congress would support Nader's agenda today.) If you can guarantee an audience of 300 you can summon representatives to a panel on any issue you like--such as limiting corporate power. In Boehner's home district there was no Democratic opposition candidate. A district has 650,000 people. A congressional watchdog group needs 1000 people volunteering 200 hours each a year. 1% of the American people can turn Congress around, making our nation is a humanitarian superpower instead of the military empire. (If enough people will it, it will happen. The level of dedication demanded is comparable to the effort in participating in a serious bird watchers club.) Every progressive movement has been funded by rich people. "Power concedes nothing without a demand", said Frederick Douglas We have two parties dialing for the same commercial dollars. (Maybe some billionaire will turn it into a three-way race. ) Book: "Only the Superrich can Save Us." Soros could have quadrupled the number of military who personnel who argued against the Iraq war had he donated $200 million. The Re-open Our Courts movement opposes tort reform and hopes to make legal justice available to poor people. Buffett is worth 55 billion. For a billion we could reform the tax system. Four Excuses for Abandoning Civic Duty: 1. I don't have time 2. If I do have time, I don't know what to do or how, and don't know the rules 3. If I have time and know the rules, I'm afraid I'll get in trouble at work 4. If I have time and know the rules, and not afraid I'll get in trouble at work, then I'll claim there's no point because nothing will happen That's the ultimate surrender. The values of fair play and the golden rules are cross-cultural, global unifiers. The duopoly has excluded third parties from debate. The differences between the two major parties on foreign policy, corporate policy, and civil liberties are minimal. (Democrats filed dozens of lawsuits to keep Nader off the ballot.) Democrats are not allowed to discuss the $10/hour minimum wage. It would jumpstart the economy. Obama has given 18 tax breaks to small business. 2/3 of all low-wage workers work for 50 corporations. Dealing with partisanship: go straight to the people, barnstorm with a 10 part agenda, and partisanship melts away. Obama on single-payer: "It's not practical" means he was not willing to oppose the insurers. The Canadian healthcare system costs $4500 per capita per year, and its legal text is 13 pages. Obamacare costs $8500 per year per person and its text is 1500 pages. Obama is conflict-averse--afraid to take on the corporations. We can change the situation through civic engagement. The initiative process began in Idaho when railroad barons had bought the legislature. We need campaign finance reform. Proposition 37 (GMO labeling) and Proposition 30 (tax plan) deserve yes votes. (Over the years more than 100 special-purpose groups have spun off from Nader's organization.) (It's dismaying how much brain power in Silicon Valley goes into trivial gadgets.) Questions: About what in his career has he changed his mind? The draft. The founding fathers opposed the concept of a professional army. We have surrendered to the militarization of foreign policy. What questions would he ask the debating candidates? How to shift power from the few to many? His father once said "the only way to lose your job in government is to do your job." 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Voice Your Concern about Lehigh Southwest Cement's Plan to Greatly Expand the Limestone Quarry October 15, 2012 Dear Brian Good, There is an important meeting concerning the environment in our immediate area this Wednesday evening, Oct. 17. Your input on this issue will be of critical importance! In June 2012 the Santa Clara County Planning Commission approved Lehigh Southwest Cement's reclamation plan, which will greatly expand the limestone quarry according to the Midpeninsula Open Space District Press Release. BACE filed a lawsuit opposing approval of the plan. The Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District (MROSD) also opposed the plan citing these concerns: ? Potential impacts on visitors and staff at Rancho San Antonio. They want to make sure they are protected by getting Lehigh to agree to deal with the adverse environmental effects to the greatest extent possible. ? Dust impacts and Visual Impacts - significant dust is generated by the quarry and East Materials Storage Area, a huge mound of waste material excavated from the quarry which could grow to four times its current size of one million cubic yards if the ruling remains in place. ? Water Pollution of Permanente Creek, which flows through Rancho San Antonio Park, and the "significant ecological impacts of of elevated selenium, including its adverse effect on aquatic organisms and the food chain." Water is currently pumped into the creek out of the bottom of the huge quarry. As neighbors of Rancho San Antonio and Lehigh, their concerns are also our concerns. MRSOD entered into negotiations with Lehigh to resolve these issues. Now, they must decide whether to continue negotiations, file a lawsuit against Lehigh, or drop the negotiations altogether. The Midpeninsula Open Space District is holding a special meeting this Wednesday, October 17 with only two items on the agenda: the first at 6:00 is to discuss "anticipated litigation". The meeting will take place at the Historic Del Monte Building, 100 So. Murphy, Sunnyvale. The public is invited to comment before the first agenda item during oral communications. It is important that members of the community let the District board members hear about our concerns and our desire for them to act on the public?s behalf. If you can attend, please arrive at the meeting before 6:00 pm in order to express your encouragement to MROSD to take leadership to protect the park visitors, the park staff, and the environment by filing a lawsuit against Lehigh. This could help to achieve the most protection possible for their Open Space and our surrounding neighborhoods. MROSD also welcomes written comments. If you cannot attend but would like to send a message to the board urging them to act, you can do so at www.openspace.org/about_us/contact.asp?s=board. Please forward this email to your friends, neighbors, family and colleagues. Regards, ? The Bay Area for Clean Environment Team www.BayAreaCleanEnvironment.org Facebook Bay Area for Clean Environment, BACE, is a non-profit IRS 501(c)(3) tax exempt organization dedicated to protecting our local water, land and air. Click on the web linked letter to read more about all that BACE has accomplished and its plans for the future. Your tax exempt donation today will help BACE continue to work hard for our common interests. You can make a tax-deductible contribution at the BACE donation page via check or credit card. https://secure.cloud501.com/donor/bace 1. Press Release: Open Space District Opposes Decision on Lehigh Quarry Santa Clara County Planning Commission Approval Challenged over Negative Impacts on Water Quality, Recreation http://www.openspace.org/CGI-BIN/press_releases/120625_LehighCementPR.pdf 2. Agenda: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 SPECIAL MEETING OF THE MIDPENINSULA REGIONAL OPEN SPACE DISTRICT BEGINS AT 6:00 P.M.*: http://www.openspace.org/CGI-BIN/agendas_minutes/2012.10.17.agenda_SpecialMtg_12-34.pdf Copyright ? 2012 Bay Area for Clean Environment, Inc., All rights reserved. You are concerned about pollution from the neighboring cement plant so you volunteered to stay informed. Our mailing address is: Bay Area for Clean Environment, Inc.2310 Homestead Road, Suite C1, #224Los Altos, California 94024 Add us to your address book unsubscribe from this list | update subscription preferences -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Oct 15 16:11:51 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:11:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Media week in review: Week of October 9-15 In-Reply-To: <507c71e0639d2_617916836ec36128@worker4.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <507c71e0639d2_617916836ec36128@worker4.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <507C9837.3090700@earthlink.net> The Joel Stein article is funny. Gerry -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Media week in review: Week of October 9-15 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:28:16 +0000 From: Jill Stein for President To: Gerald Gras Media week in review: Week of October 9-15 *It's been another great week in the media for the Jill Stein for President campaign*, with Jill Stein making appearances in the Washington Post, the Guardian, CNN, and Time Magazine, while running mate Cheri Honkala made a splash with her response to the VP debate in Kentucky. Read on for highlights from the week, and at the end, we've included the Time Magazine article in full, written by humorist Joel Stein. Read it for a good laugh! *guardian_logo.jpg*The Guardian: Give us a mandate for what America needs: a Green New Deal (10/14) Under the New Deal of the 1930s, unemployment rates were substantially reduced, and millions of jobs were created. For this reason, I propose a Green New Deal for the 2010s, which ? unlike the doomed-to-fail proposals of Obama and Romney ? is proven to work. The-Washington-Post-logo.jpgWashington Post: Jill Stein responds to five key debate questions (10/12) Jill Stein spoke with the Washington Post's Brook Silva-Braga about her responses to five key questions from the first presidential debate. Louisville Courier-Journal: Without debate invite, Green candidate Cheri Honkala tours Kentucky (10/13) Green Party vice presidential candidate Cheri Honkala, a formerly homeless woman who became a single mother as a teenager, has driven around Kentucky this week to talk about a national issue that she said received little attention in the debate: the growing number of Americans living in extreme poverty. usa_today_logo.gifUSA Today: Cheri Honkala's response to the VP debate (10/13) Poor, working and middle income families will pay much less in taxes, while the very rich, major corporations, Wall Street and polluters will pay more. But tax policies are only a part of the picture. We have to look at where we as a society invest our resources. Do we fund education or prison? War or employment? cnn-logo.jpgCNN: The other Presidential debate (10/13) Don Lemon of CNN interviewed Jill Stein and Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson for the "other" Presidential debate. Time: Meet the Green Party's meal ticket /Time MagazineThe Jill Stein for President campaign recently held a contest for supporters to meet Time Magazine humor columnist Joel Stein to talk politics over lunch in Los Angeles. Read on for Joel Stein's column about his lunch with Green Party member Harrison Wills:/ Last month, I got an e-mail from Beyonce Knowles titled "I don't usually email you," which I erased immediately since it seemed like the kind of thing my lovely wife Cassandra could see and then we'd be in a fight where I'd be yelling "I've never even met Beyonce!" with an unconvincing smirk on my face because, no matter how much friction it would cause in our marriage, I couldn't help wanting someone to think I'm sleeping with Beyonce. Beyonce--who, again, I've never so much as drunkenly made out with at a nightclub--was letting me know that if I donated $5 or more to Barack Obama, I'd enter a raffle for a flight, hotel and night partying with her, Jay-Z and the President. It makes sense that Americans would pay to meet celebrities at an event that the President also happened to be at and where the money happened to be used to help decide the leader of the free world. That event raised $6 million; a dinner with Sarah Jessica Parker got Obama $2 million; a lottery for a dinner at George Clooney's pulled in $9 million; dinner with Michael Jordan netted $3 million; Mitt Romney's appearances with the Donald (Trump) raked in $2 million. Which made me realize that auctioning yourself off for a candidate is a great way to get the kind of free publicity that makes people think you're really influential. So I called Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, and told her campaign they could raffle off lunch with me. I chose Stein partly because I figured the two main parties wouldn't call me back and mostly because I thought the raffle might cause people to confuse our names and think I'm the Green Party presidential candidate, which would boost my Hollywood career. The Green Party sent an e-mail to 2,300 local supporters. I addressed it "Dear Person Who Cares Deeply About Others" and promised a lunch for the winner and a guest at the most expensive restaurant they could find, knowing that even the most expensive kale salad isn't that expensive. I promised "to listen to you ranting on and on about the corrupt American political system without interrupting you." Forty-five people donated, adding nearly $2,000 to the $515,000 Stein had raised, which, percentagewise, makes me a better celebrity draw than Sarah Jessica Parker. When I asked Stein who Green Party loyalists would have been most excited about--figuring she'd say Al Gore or Ed Begley Jr.--she said, "Gisele Bundchen." That is likely because Bundchen has a line of flip-flops to raise money for the rain forest, has planted more than 50,000 trees in Brazil and has fantastic breasts. Stein, a Harvard-educated doctor who has had a tough time running as a Green candidate for other offices, said she was enjoying this race, which she entered Dick Cheney--style after being on the party's search committee. "We're going to win this race," she told me. "We're either going to win it by winning the office or win it by winning the day." I did not know exactly what that meant, but I was proud to be part of it. Since the Obama winners weren't selected entirely by chance (the campaign chose from 50 randomly drawn names), the Green Party likewise handpicked Harrison Wills, the president of the student body at Santa Monica College in California, who had donated $5. To pay for school, Wills started Naturally Harrison, which sells locally made organic mattresses. Wills' lunch choice was Thai Vegan, where the menu tops out at $7. The Beyonce fundraiser for Obama featured a 350-bottle tower of Armand de Brignac at $300 a pop. Net-worth-percentage-wise, I was paying more for my fundraiser than Beyonce. Wills, 27, had no idea who I was. "But I can't tell you how important I think investigative journalism is," he said. A bit later he asked, "Do you do investigative journalism?" I don't think Wills got his five bucks' worth despite being $2 up on the pad thai. We had a great conversation while eating vegan food on a picnic table overlooking the Pacific Ocean. I learned a lot about some really good educational and electoral reforms in Finland. Wills was incredibly charismatic, using my name a lot and pounding his fists as he got excited about improving our country, our planet and humanity. "I'm not just going to throw bricks. I'm going to build community gardens," he said. This was a man who cared so deeply, he truly believed those were his only two options. I left our meeting hopeful, energized about the democratic process and full without any kind of heavy, bloated feeling. And, most important, I got the student-body president of Santa Monica College to read one of my columns. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /Please take an immediate step by making a donation: http://www.jillstein.org/donate / Authorized and paid for by Jill Stein for President PO Box 260217, Madison, WI 53726-0217 http://www.JillStein.org * * -=-=- Jill Stein for President ? United States This email was sent to gerrygras at earthlink.net. To stop receiving emails, click here . You can also keep up with Jill Stein for President on Twitter or Facebook . -=-=- Created with NationBuilder , the essential toolkit leaders. From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Oct 15 17:54:58 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:54:58 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: I'm proud to vote for - In-Reply-To: <507c9f4533a78_798616ff6fc4656f@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <507c9f4533a78_798616ff6fc4656f@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <507CB062.9090500@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I'm proud to vote for - Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:41:57 +0000 From: Matt Gonzalez To: Santa Clara County Greens /*Dear Friend,* / We are at a critical point in our nation?s history. In the face of deep austerity measures, working and poor people are uniting. In the last few weeks alone, teachers in Chicago won a historic strike and Walmart workers walked out on the job for the first time. We must keep building the momentum. Thermometer *And that is why I believe that Green presidential candidate Jill Stein has the most thoughtful and thorough platforms for the American people.* *Can you pitch in $50 to Jill Stein?s campaign?* If you?ve been waiting for the right moment to give, that time is now to show your support. Ralph Nader puts it well: /?Jill Stein will ably carry forward the Green banner of majoritarian agendas in our country. Let us hope that the two-party duopolized media notices.?/ *A donation of $50 is critical in increasing our outreach to new voters seeking a change. * Every dollar sends the message that status quo politics is not good enough. Together we will build the demand for Jill Stein?s Full Employment Program, breaking up the banks ?too big to fail,? and a Green New Deal for all of us. *We have so much at stake.* By uniting our forces we can create and build our own alternatives to a system that is only helping a select few. Together we can rebuild a healthier democracy. *Please show your support today.* *Matt Gonzalez* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /Please take an immediate step by making a donation: http://www.jillstein.org/donate / Authorized and paid for by Jill Stein for President PO Box 260217, Madison, WI 53726-0217 http://www.JillStein.org * * -=-=- Jill Stein for President ? United States This email was sent to santaclara at cagreens.org. To stop receiving emails, click here . You can also keep up with Jill Stein for President on Twitter or Facebook . -=-=- Created with NationBuilder , the essential toolkit leaders. From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 16 00:14:01 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:14:01 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] David Rovics on Obama Message-ID: No audio yet, no confirmation, might be a hoax Great song! Can't wait to hear it Still Waiting for the Change I remember in 2008 A Democrat became head of state His party won the Congress too Then we watched to see what they would do Vague promises and hopeful signs Just try to read between the lines These things take time, that's understood And I know that patience can be good And I'm no genius, but I'm not dumb And I'm still waiting for the change to come Many thought it had arrived We felt lucky to have survived All those years of rightwing rule Using fear and hatred as the fuel Now we're on the other side And we're still swimming against the tide The wars go on, good people die Missiles rain down from the sky Once I dreamed you were my best chum But I'm still waiting for the change to come The prisons fill up with the poor Victims of the same drug war Bankers fly in First Class seats While families move into the streets Across the country schools close down In another bankrupt town Oil sits on the sea floor And now you want to drill for more And like everybody where I'm from I'm still waiting for the change to come I don't know but I'd like to think We can pull each other from the brink I've heard it said with a sigh This nation is too young to die But the system's broke and what I glean Is change must come by other means Can you hear the whispers in the air What we need is Tahrir Square Until then in Washington I'll be waiting for the change to come Still waiting for the change to come ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 16 12:41:20 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:41:20 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] David Rovics on Obama--Recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's the recording (no video). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qnvio5w7h4&feature=player_embedded He actually put it up Apr 26, 2011. Still Waiting for the Change I remember in 2008 A Democrat became head of state His party won the Congress too Then we watched to see what they would do Vague promises and hopeful signs Just try to read between the lines These things take time, that's understood And I know that patience can be good And I'm no genius, but I'm not dumb And I'm still waiting for the change to come Many thought it had arrived We felt lucky to have survived All those years of rightwing rule Using fear and hatred as the fuel Now we're on the other side And we're still swimming against the tide The wars go on, good people die Missiles rain down from the sky Once I dreamed you were my best chum But I'm still waiting for the change to come The prisons fill up with the poor Victims of the same drug war Bankers fly in First Class seats While families move into the streets Across the country schools close down In another bankrupt town Oil sits on the sea floor And now you want to drill for more And like everybody where I'm from I'm still waiting for the change to come I don't know but I'd like to think We can pull each other from the brink I've heard it said with a sigh This nation is too young to die But the system's broke and what I glean Is change must come by other means Can you hear the whispers in the air What we need is Tahrir Square Until then in Washington I'll be waiting for the change to come Still waiting for the change to come ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Charges were resolved a couple of months ago for most of the defendants. I believe they pled nolo contendere, were fined $135 and got 18 months probation. I could be wrong. Ed Ehmke decided to do it the hard way, and he'll be sentenced on Thursday, Oct. 18, at 1:30 at the Palo Alto courthouse - 270 Grant Ave. (near the California Ave. strip). If you're free then, please come and help support Ed. Be mindful that we must do our best to look like solid, respectable citizens so we can make a good impression on the judge. Shine those shoes! B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Ben Manski Subject: Jill Stein, Cheri Honkala were just arrested Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:00:47 +0000 Size: 10252 URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 16 20:38:20 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:38:20 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW: Update: Voice Your Concerns on Lehigh's Plan to Greatly Expand the Limestone Quarry In-Reply-To: <42212b8fe78ea28f21b1e0fb61dc88cbd2c.20121017031821@mail52.us1.mcsv.net> References: <42212b8fe78ea28f21b1e0fb61dc88cbd2c.20121017031821@mail52.us1.mcsv.net> Message-ID: Tomorrow's MROSD meeting will be about Mt. Unmunhum, NOT Lehigh, so MROSD people have asked that we NOT comment on Lehigh tomorrow. They prefer written comments, phone calls, oral comment at any of the next three regular Board meetings (2d and 4th Wednesdays at 7:00 at 330 Distel Circle, Los Altos). Subject: Update: Voice Your Concerns on Lehigh's Plan to Greatly Expand the Limestone Quarry From: bayareacleanenviron at gmail.com To: snug.bug at hotmail.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 03:18:28 +0000 Update: Voice Your Concerns on Lehigh's Plan to Greatly Expand the Limestone Quarry Take Action!!! Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. Update: Voice Your Concern about Lehigh Southwest Cement's Plan to Greatly Expand the Limestone Quarry October 16, 2012 Dear Brian Good, Steve Abbors, the general manager of Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District (MROSD), has provided an update on the Lehigh situation in the letter below. He says that discussions continue, and currently they have until December 10, 2012, to see what they can get out of those before filing suit. He requests that public comment on the Lehigh matter not be done at tomorrow night's meeting. However, he offers alternative ideas of making general public comment on the Lehigh matter. "...Your comments regarding Lehigh Quarry, however, are important to us. So if you would like to offer, via some other manner than general public comment tomorrow night (written comments, phone calls, oral comment at any of the next three regular Board meetings) any additional thoughts about Lehigh, including ideas about what you think we might try asking for in settlement discussions, those thoughts would be most welcome. It?s just that tomorrow night is a very big night for the folks interested in Mount Umunhum, and we would like to keep the meeting on task. Thank you for your understanding..." - Steve Abbors, General Manager, Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District If you would like to send a message to the board, you can do so at www.openspace.org/about_us/contact.asp?s=board. The Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District Board holds public meetings on the second and fourth Wednesdays of each month at 7:00 p.m., at the District offices: 330 Distel Circle, Los Altos, CA. As neighbors of Rancho San Antonio and Lehigh, their concerns are also our concerns. The public appreciates the Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District Board of Directors and staff's efforts on behalf our shared concerns in Lehigh Southwest Cement's reclamation plan, which will greatly expand the limestone quarry according to the Midpeninsula Open Space District Press Release. Please forward this email to your friends, neighbors, family and colleagues. Regards, ? The Bay Area for Clean Environment Team www.BayAreaCleanEnvironment.org Facebook Bay Area for Clean Environment, BACE, is a non-profit IRS 501(c)(3) tax exempt organization dedicated to protecting our local water, land and air. Click on the web linked letter to read more about all that BACE has accomplished and its plans for the future. Your tax exempt donation today will help BACE continue to work hard for our common interests. You can make a tax-deductible contribution at the BACE donation page via check or credit card. https://secure.cloud501.com/donor/bace From: Steve Abbors Subject: Lehigh Quarry Date: October 16, 2012 4:54:57 PM PDT Cc: BOARD Dear Concerned Neighbor: We received your note expressing interest in the Lehigh Quarry matter. First, a clarification about tomorrow night?s Special Board Meeting on Mount Umunhum; and second, an update on Lehigh. First, tomorrow?s closed session is to discuss potential litigation concerning the Mount Umunhum project, NOT the Lehigh matter. Mount Umunhum is the sole subject of this special meeting. Lehigh will not be discussed or acted upon in any way in this meeting. Next, I would like to update you about Lehigh. We at the District, both the Board and the staff, very much share your concerns and we are putting a lot of work into trying to address them. As has been previously announced, the Board authorized filing a lawsuit to challenge the EIR on the Lehigh quarry that the County approved. Recognizing, however, that we might get more meaningful ?on-the-ground? environmental impact reductions through agreement than we could get through a court action making them re-do the EIR, we entered into negotiations with Lehigh, with their agreement to extend the time deadline for our filing of our suit. Those discussions continue, and currently we have until December 10, 2012, to see what we can get out of those before filing suit. Settlement negotiations are confidential under the law, in order to make the parties to such discussions more willing to be forthcoming and open to ?out of the box? thinking than they might be willing to risk in public. So we cannot say what is being talked about in those discussions. The tolling agreement (extending the lawsuit filing deadline) is a public record, however, so if you wish to see a copy of that, let us know. As reflected in that tolling agreement (and therefore public), Lehigh is agreeing to not use the East Side Materials Storage Area while we are talking, and we are pursuing an air quality monitoring program, to see how our lands, staff and visitors are being affected. Again, the subject of tomorrow night?s Special Board Meeting agenda is Mount Umunhum. And it is going to be a lengthy meeting already with a lot of people wanting to focus on the decisions to be made tomorrow night on that subject. Your comments regarding Lehigh Quarry, however, are important to us. So if you would like to offer, via some other manner than general public comment tomorrow night (written comments, phone calls, oral comment at any of the next three regular Board meetings) any additional thoughts about Lehigh, including ideas about what you think we might try asking for in settlement discussions, those thoughts would be most welcome. It?s just that tomorrow night is a very big night for the folks interested in Mount Umunhum, and we would like to keep the meeting on task. Thank you for your understanding. And again, thank you for sharing our concerns on these issues. We look forward to hearing from you further. Sincerely, Steve Stephen E. Abbors General Manager Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District 330 Distel Circle, Los Altos, CA 94022 P: (650) 691-1200 - F: (650) 691-0485 Background: In June 2012 the Santa Clara County Planning Commission approved Lehigh Southwest Cement's reclamation plan, which will greatly expand the limestone quarry according to the Midpeninsula Open Space District Press Release. BACE filed a lawsuit opposing approval of the plan. The Midpeninsula Regional Open Space District (MROSD) also opposed the plan citing these concerns: ? Potential impacts on visitors and staff at Rancho San Antonio. They want to make sure they are protected by getting Lehigh to agree to deal with the adverse environmental effects to the greatest extent possible. ? Dust impacts and Visual Impacts - significant dust is generated by the quarry and East Materials Storage Area, a huge mound of waste material excavated from the quarry which could grow to four times its current size of one million cubic yards if the ruling remains in place. ? Water Pollution of Permanente Creek, which flows through Rancho San Antonio Park, and the "significant ecological impacts of of elevated selenium, including its adverse effect on aquatic organisms and the food chain." Water is currently pumped into the creek out of the bottom of the huge quarry. 1. Press Release: Open Space District Opposes Decision on Lehigh Quarry Santa Clara County Planning Commission Approval Challenged over Negative Impacts on Water Quality, Recreation http://www.openspace.org/CGI-BIN/press_releases/120625_LehighCementPR.pdf Copyright ? 2012 Bay Area for Clean Environment, Inc., All rights reserved. You are concerned about pollution from the neighboring cement plant so you volunteered to stay informed. Our mailing address is: Bay Area for Clean Environment, Inc.2310 Homestead Road, Suite C1, #224Los Altos, California 94024 Add us to your address book unsubscribe from this list | update subscription preferences -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 16 21:06:20 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:06:20 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KTVU Facebooik "Choose Your Candidate" Message-ID: https://www.facebook.com/ktvu Click on the "How Will You Vote?/Choose Your Candidate" button. I can't get in--don't do facebook. If not all 6 presidential candidates are available as choices, we need to get in there and complain. 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URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 16 21:20:03 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:20:03 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Jill Stein, Cheri Honkala were just arrested In-Reply-To: <507DF4AF.8010206@earthlink.net> References: <507de71fe66f0_1902190e6f034675@worker4.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> <507DF4AF.8010206@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <507E31F3.3070008@earthlink.net> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKwwPVO8bNk Gerry Gerry Gras wrote: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Tue Oct 16 21:32:49 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KTVU Facebooik "Choose Your Candidate" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1350448369.27702.YahooMailClassic@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The choose your candidate button leads to a 10-15 question poll about the issues.? At the end of the process Romney and Obama are compared to see which one best matches your answers.? For my answers, Romney got a 13% score while Obama got a 63% score. No other candidates are listed.? So the choice is between an F and a D+, not much of a choice. ? John Thielking --- On Tue, 10/16/12, Brian Good wrote: From: Brian Good Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KTVU Facebooik "Choose Your Candidate" To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 9:06 PM https://www.facebook.com/ktvu Click on the "How Will You Vote?/Choose Your Candidate" button. I can't get in--don't do facebook.? If not all 6 presidential candidates are available as choices, we need to get in there and complain.? If all 6 candidates are available we need to get all Green facebookers to vote on that page. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Ben Manski Subject: Jill and Cheri are free Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 05:48:00 +0000 Size: 9944 URL: From danasg at greens.org Tue Oct 16 21:10:58 2012 From: danasg at greens.org (Dana St. George) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:10:58 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fascist policies/presidential debates Message-ID: <507E2FD2.5020502@greens.org> To Whom It May Concern, I was deeply dismayed to hear that officials of Hofstra University colluded with the Republican/Democrat political machine to deny admission of Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein and vice-presidential candidate Sherri Honkala to the debate. And although there is a shameful history of denying access to debates of such notable public figures as Ralph Nader, when he was the Green Party presidential candidate, and the arrest and removal of Laura Wells, Green Party of California candidate for Governor, it is really sickening to see a living wall of huge, muscular policemen intimidating these two small women. I wish women all over America could see the video of this event that I just watched on YouTube, done by the Long Island Report and posted internationally. The Long Island Report is a multimedia effort put out by your own students at Hofstra. Dr. Stein protested that they were being denied their First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Their protests were completely ignored and they were led away and arrested. When officials of a large university allow these practices to occur on university property, and do not protect the rights of all persons, this is an ugly blot on our country, which quite frankly, does not need any more ugly blots. Shame on you, whoever you are, and I hope someday you will sincerely regret your restrictive, unconstitutional actions. Dana Marie St. George 278 Campesino Avenue Palo Alto, CA 94306 Green Party member, Santa Clara County From eric at philosopherswheel.com Wed Oct 17 01:03:32 2012 From: eric at philosopherswheel.com (Eric A. Meece) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:03:32 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KTVU Facebooik "Choose Your Candidate" In-Reply-To: <1350448369.27702.YahooMailClassic@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1350448369.27702.YahooMailClassic@web111110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <820D7BD5DF9E422F8AA649035E6EBBF9@eameecePC> Tests are always fun. I guess I can always go back and "unlike" it :) I got about the same, 56% for Obama and 13% for Rmoney. I guess for me Obama didn't even get above an F. Eric M ----- Original Message ----- From: John Thielking To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org ; Brian Good Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] KTVU Facebooik "Choose Your Candidate" The choose your candidate button leads to a 10-15 question poll about the issues. At the end of the process Romney and Obama are compared to see which one best matches your answers. For my answers, Romney got a 13% score while Obama got a 63% score. No other candidates are listed. So the choice is between an F and a D+, not much of a choice. John Thielking --- On Tue, 10/16/12, Brian Good wrote: From: Brian Good Subject: [GPSCC-chat] KTVU Facebooik "Choose Your Candidate" To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2012, 9:06 PM https://www.facebook.com/ktvu Click on the "How Will You Vote?/Choose Your Candidate" button. I can't get in--don't do facebook. If not all 6 presidential candidates are available as choices, we need to get in there and complain. If all 6 candidates are available we need to get all Green facebookers to vote on that page. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 17 12:51:23 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:51:23 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] facebook poll improvement Message-ID: <507F0C3B.2010307@sbcglobal.net> John wrote The choose your candidate button leads to a 10-15 question poll about the issues.? At the end of the process Romney and Obama are compared to see which one best matches your answers.? For my answers, Romney got a 13% score while Obama got a 63% score. No other candidates are listed.? So the choice is between an F and a D+, not much of a choice. ? John Thielking There is a better alternative: http://votesmart.org/voteeasy/ Six candidates are shown in a graphical reprresentation that shifts with the answer to each of the one, two, or three questions in each of the 13 categories. Try it, I believe you will enjoy it. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 17 14:48:30 2012 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:48:30 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Holiday Peace Fair planning meeting Message-ID: <507F27AE.9080007@sbcglobal.net> Gree Party participant needed for tomorrow's - Thursday's - holiday peace fair planning meeting. 30th Annual Holiday Peace Fair - 2nd Planning Meeting 5:30 p.m. - Oct. 18, 2012 San Jose Peace Center - 48 S. 7th Street, San Jose, CA From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 18 10:05:02 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:05:02 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Party Marijuana Button? Message-ID: <508036BE.7090302@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: Does anyone have a copy of Green Party Marijuana button art or know how we can get such? Caroline says that's our best selling button, and she's currently out of it. She's meeting with Tian this afternoon and would like to have more printed so they could make more. She says it used to be under "Button Art". However, I have a copy of the "buttons" available there just over a year ago (9/29/2011), and it wasn't there then. Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From carolineyacoub at att.net Thu Oct 18 10:16:38 2012 From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: From Joan--Will Bain-Linked E-Voting Machines Give Romney the White House? Message-ID: <1350580598.91897.YahooMailClassic@web181303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> --- On Wed, 10/17/12, shane que hee wrote: From: shane que hee Subject: From Joan--Will Bain-Linked E-Voting Machines Give Romney the White House? To: Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 7:50 PM From: Joan Sekler Subject: From Joan--Will Bain-Linked E-Voting Machines Give Romney the White House? Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:10:34 -0700 Will Bain-Linked E-Voting Machines Give Romney the White House? Tuesday, 16 October 2012 09:43By Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman, The Free Press | News Analysis 1.8K font size Print Email A "mobile ballot box" by Hart InterCivic. Hart's machines are infamous for mechanical failures, "glitches," counting errors and other timely problems. (Photo: Stephen C. Webster)Electronic voting machines owned by Mitt Romney's business buddies and set to count the votes in Cincinnati could decide the 2012 election. The narrative is already being hyped by the corporate media. As Kelly O'Donnell reported for NBC's Today Show on Monday, October 8, Ohio's Hamilton County is "ground zero" for deciding who holds the White House come January, 2013. O'Donnell pointed out that no candidate has won the White House without carrying Ohio since John Kennedy did it in 1960. No Republican has EVER won the White House without Ohio's electoral votes. As we document in the e-book WILL THE GOP STEAL AMERICA'S 2012 ELECTION (www.freepress.org) George W. Bush got a second term in 2004 thanks to the manipulation of the electronic vote count by Ohio's then-Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell. Blackwell served as the co-chair of the state's committee to re-elect Bush/Cheney while simultaneously administering the election. The widespread use of electronic voting machines from ES&S, and of Diebold software maintained by Triad, allowed Blackwell to electronically flip a 4% Kerry lead to a 2% Bush victory in the dead of election night. ES&S, Diebold and Triad were all owned or operated by Republican partisans. The shift of more than 300,000 votes after 12:20 am election night was a virtual statistical impossibility. It was engineered by Michael Connell, an IT specialist long affiliated with the Bush Family. Blackwell gave Connell's Ohio-based GovTech the contract to count Ohio's votes, which was done on servers housed in the Old Pioneer Bank Building in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Thus the Ohio vote tally was done on servers that also carried the e-mail for Karl Rove and the national Republican Party. Connell died in a mysterious plane crash in December, 2008, after being subpoenaed in the King-Lincoln-Bronzeville federal lawsuit focused on how the 2004 election was decided (disclosure: we were attorney and plaintiff in that suit). Diebold's founder, Walden O'Dell, had vowed to deliver Ohio's electoral votes---and thus the presidency---to his friend George W. Bush. That it was done in part on electronic voting machines and software O'Dell happened to own (Diebold has since changed hands twice) remains a cautionary red flag for those who believe merely winning the popular vote will give Barack Obama a second term. This November, much of the Ohio electorate will cast its ballots on machines again owned by close cronies of the Republican presidential candidate. In Cincinnati and elsewhere around the state, the e-voting apparati are owned by Hart Intercivic. Hart's machines are infamous for mechanical failures, "glitches," counting errors and other timely problems now thoroughly identified with the way Republicans steal elections. As in 2004, Ohio's governor is now a Republican. This time it's the very right-wing John Kasich, himself a multi-millionaire courtesy of a stint at Lehman Brothers selling state bonds, and the largesse of Rupert Murdoch, on whose Fox Network Kasich served as a late night bloviator. Murdoch wrote Kasich a game-changing $1 million check just prior to his winning the statehouse, an electoral victory shrouded in electronic intrigue. The exit polls in that election indicated that his opponent, incumbent Democrat Ted Strickland, had actually won the popular vote. Ohio's very Republican Secretary of State is John Husted, currently suing in the US Supreme Court to prevent the public from voting on the weekend prior to election day. As did Blackwell and Governor Robert Taft in 2004, Husted and Kasich will control Ohio's electronic vote count on election night free of meaningful public checks or balances Hart Intercivic, on whose machines the key votes will be cast in Hamilton County, which includes Cincinnati, was taken over last year by H.I.G. Capital. Prominent partners and directors on the H.I.G. board hail from Bain Company or Bain Capital, both connected to Mitt Romney. H.I.G. employees have contributed at least $338,000 to Romney's campaign. H.I.G. Directors John P. Bolduk and Douglas Berman are major Romney fundraisers, as is former Bain and H.I.G. manager Brian Shortsleeve. US courts have consistently ruled that the software in electronic voting machines is proprietary to the manufacturer, even though individual election boards may own the actual machines. Thus there will be no vote count transparency on election night in Ohio. The tally will be conducted by Hart Intercivic and controlled by Husted and Kasich, with no public recourse or accountability. As federal testimony from the deceased Michael Connell made clear in 2008, electronically flipping an election is relatively cheap and easy to do, especially if you or your compatriots programmed the machines. So as the corporate media swarm through Ohio, reporting breathlessly from "ground zero" in Cincinnati, don't hold your own breath waiting for them to also clarify that the voting machines in what may once again be America's decisive swing state are owned, programmed and tabulated by some of the Romney campaign's closest associates. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Green Party Subject: Debates, Democracy, and Down-Ticket-Races Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Size: 14675 URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Thu Oct 18 11:32:42 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:32:42 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW: Amnesty: INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS DOCUMENTARIES: 15th Annual United Nations Association Film Festival (October 18 - 28) In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:23:46 -0700 From: lvnokwu1 at stanford.edu To: leslie.nguyen-okwu at stanford.edu Subject: Amnesty: INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS DOCUMENTARIES: 15th Annual United Nations Association Film Festival (October 18 - 28) ww.unaff.org/ Please join us for the 15TH ANNIVERSARY OF UNAFF (UNITED NATIONS ASSOCIATION FILM FESTIVAL) www.unaff.org PRESENTING GROUNDBREAKING DOCUMENTARIES FROM ACROSS THE GLOBEOCTOBER 18-28 - WITH THIS YEAR"S THEME, HUMAN DIGNITY ON CAMPUS SCREENINGS FREE ADMISSION FOR STUDENTS***FORWARD WIDELY*** OVER 50 FILMMAKERS TO BE IN ATTENDANCE THROUGHOUT THE FESTIVAL from Australia and Iran to Russia and South Africa with SEVEN WORLD PREMIERES AND TWENTY-FIVE U.S. PREMIERES TO BE SCREENED. In the eleven days at eleven locations through the Bay Area: Palo Alto, Stanford University, East Palo Alto, San Jose and San Francisco, UNAFF will present more timely stories than ever on a wide range of topics, including renewable energy, cyber crime and Internet freedom, interracial marriage and tolerance, looted art, wars in the name of God, torture programs and medical ethics, battle for water over oil, human trafficking and modern slavery, and philanthropy and social change. UNAFF is committed to not only presenting films but also creating spaces where audience members can engage in ongoing dialogue about the topics at hand. Seven FREE PANEL discussions will take place during the course of the Festival. See 70 documentaries that WILL CHANGE YOUR VIEW OF THE WORLD. For full PROGRAM, visit www.unaff.org. MONDAY OCTOBER 22 XIII SESSION: STANFORD UNIVERSITY: FREEMAN SPOGLI INSTITUTE FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDIES, ENCINA HALL, 616 SERRA ST. 4:00 PM CATHERINE THE GREAT (Israel) 5' co-presented with San Francisco International Women's Film Festival 4:10 PM NOT MY LIFE (Ghana/Nepal/Romania/Uganda/USA) 32' 4:45 PM Panel: "Philanthropy- Filmmaking-Social Change" (FREE Admission) co-presented with Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies, Stanford Center on Philanthropy and Civil Society, and Film Aid XVIII SESSION: STANFORD UNIVERSITY: FREEMAN SPOGLI INSTITUTE FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDIES, ENCINA HALL, 616 SERRA ST. 4:00 PM TRANSGENDERS: PAKISTAN'S OPEN SECRET (Pakistan/UK) 54' co-presented with QuEST 5:00 PM TOKYO WAKA: A CITY POEM (Japan/USA) 63' 6:15 PM Panel "Meet Stanford Filmmakers" (FREE Admission) co-presented with Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies and Stanford Institute for Creativity and Arts and Film & Media Studies Program WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 24 XX SESSION: STANFORD UNIVERSITY: STANFORD MEDICAL SCHOOL (LI KA SHING CENTER BUILDING), 291 CAMPUS DR. (ROOM LK130) 6:00 PM DOCTORS OF THE DARK SIDE (Iraq/USA) 73' 7:15 PM Panel "Do We Still Need Torture?" (FREE Admission) co-presented with Organization for Global Health, Stanford University School of Medicine 8:15 PM BENEATH THE BLINDFOLD (Colombia/Iraq/Liberia/USA) 80' co-presented with Department of Psychology THURSDAY OCTOBER 25 XXIII SESSION: STANFORD: CANTOR ARTS CENTER, 328 LOMITA DR. 3:40 PM BLANK CANVAS (USA) 3' 3:50 PM A DECLARATION OF INTERDEPENDENCE (USA) 4' co-presented with San Francisco International Women's Film Festival 4:00 PM AXIS OF LIGHT (Algeria/France/Iran/Jordan/Lebanon/Tunisia/UK) 60' co-presented with Arab Film Festival 5:00 PM Panel "Arts Activism" (FREE Admission) co-presented with Stanford Institute for Creativity and the Arts XXIV SESSION: STANFORD: CANTOR ARTS CENTER, 328 LOMITA DR. 7:00 PM DIFFICULT LOVE (South Africa) 48' co-presented with Bay Area Women in Film and Media and Silicon Valley African Film Festival 8:10 PM HERMAN'S HOUSE (Canada/USA) 81' FRIDAY OCTOBER 26 XXVI SESSION: STANFORD: ANNENBERG AUDITORIUM, CUMMINGS ART BUILDING, 435 LASUEN MALL 5:40 PM SACRED STONES (Palestine) 52' 6:40 PM REPORTERO (Mexico/USA) 71' co-presented with Center for Latin American Studies XXVII SESSION: STANFORD: ANNENBERG AUDITORIUM,CUMMINGS ART BUILDING, 435 LASUEN MALL 8:30 PM KARAMA HAS NO WALLS (Yemen/UK) 26' 9:10 PM WHERE SOLDIERS COME FROM (Afghanistan/USA) 90' SATURDAY OCTOBER 27 XXVIII SESSION: STANFORD: CANTOR ARTS CENTER, 328 LOMITA DR. 11:15 AM A FLICKER IN ETERNITY (Japan/USA) 26' 11:45 AM PORTRAIT OF WALLY (Austria/USA) 90' co-presented with Berlin & Beyond Film Festival and San Francisco Jewish Film Festival 1:15 PM Panel "The Value of Missing Art" (FREE Admission) 2:15 PM THE MEXICAN SUITCASE (France/Mexico/Spain/USA) 90' XXIX SESSION: STANFORD: ANNENBERG AUDITORIUM ,CUMMINGS ART BUILDING, 435 LASUEN MALL 4:00 PM MRS. JUDO: BE STRONG, BE GENTLE, BE BEAUTIFUL (Japan/USA) 66' co-presented with New Media Film Festival 5:15 PM WE STILL LIVE HERE (USA) 56' co-presented with American Indian Film Institute and Department of Native American Studies XXX SESSION: STANFORD: ANNENBERG AUDITORIUM ,CUMMINGS ART BUILDING, 435 LASUEN MALL 7:15 PM SEMPER FI: ALWAYS FAITHFUL (USA) 76' 8:40 PM CALL ME KUCHU (Uganda/USA) 87' co-presented with QuEST 10:10 PM SCARLET ROAD (Australia) 70' co-presented with Bay Area Women in Film and Media SUNDAY OCTOBER 28 XXXI SESSION: STANFORD: ANNENBERG AUDITORIUM ,CUMMINGS ART BUILDING, 435 LASUEN MALL 1:00 PM DON SEVERO DEL PUENTE (Bolivia/Canada) 6' co-presented with Center for Latin American Studies 1:15 PM THE BARBER OF BIRMINGHAM: FOOT SOLDIER OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT (USA) 26' co-presented with Bay Area Women in Film and Media 2:00 PM THE LOVING STORY (USA) 78' XXXII SESSION: STANFORD: ANNENBERG AUDITORIUM ,CUMMINGS ART BUILDING, 435 LASUEN MALL 3:45 PM STATE OF CONTROL (China/India/Nepal/Tibet/USA) 90' co-presented with 3rd i South Asian Film Festival 5:30 PM SURVIVING PROGRESS (Canada/USA) 86' XXXIII SESSION: STANFORD: ANNENBERG AUDITORIUM ,CUMMINGS ART BUILDING, 435 LASUEN MALL 7:00 PM Awards Ceremony 8:30 PM Closing Night Party ? 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Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Oct 18 16:21:52 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:21:52 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: 1%, 3%, 5% In-Reply-To: <508056e8d2c6d_650b1408ef86898e@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <508056e8d2c6d_650b1408ef86898e@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <50808F10.3060007@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jill Stein Subject: 1%, 3%, 5% Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:22:16 +0000 Size: 10869 URL: From perrysandy at aol.com Thu Oct 18 16:41:38 2012 From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 19:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Media Advisory - Cheri Honkala Bay Area Tour Oct 21-22 Message-ID: <8CF7BA140699822-408-5491@webmail-m164.sysops.aol.com> MEDIA ADVISORY FOR: Thursday Oct 18th CONTACT: Shamako Noble, Racial and Economic Justice Organizer 408-624-2999, shamakonoblemusic at gmail.com Real Talk, Real Action: Green Party VP Candidate and Homeless Advocate Cheri Honkala Hits the Bay Area Circuit: San Jose, Oakland, San Francisco and Berkeley Green Party Vice Presidential candidate and Homeless Advocate will be in the Bay Area this weekend from Sunday October 21 to Monday October 22nd. She will be participating at events in the community and at a community college in various parts of the Region. Sunday night, Cheri Honkala will be at Silicon Valley De-Bug (www.siliconvalleydebug.com) in San Jose from 6pm-9pm. She will be joined by Hip Hop artists and community educators DLabrie (www.dlabrie.com) and Rahman Jamaal of Rondavoux Records, and the Metfizix. On Monday October 22nd, Cheri Honkala will start the day at De Anza college in Cupertino where she will be speaking at a really for Voter Awareness month. Following this, she will be in Oakland at the screening of Brooklyn Castle being hosted by the Hip Hop Chess Federation and Youth Uprising in Oakland from 4-5. She will then be participating on a panel discussion in San Francisco hosted by Davey D at a location yet to be determined. Cheri will be concluding her trip in Berkeley at the headquarters of Green Mayoral Candidate and founder of UC Berkley students for Hip Hop, Kahlil Jacobs Fantauzzi from 7pm-9:30 pm. Honkala is National Coordinator for the Poor People?s Economic Human Rights Campaign, one of the country?s largest multi-racial, inter-generational movements led by the poor and homeless. Compelled by her own experience as a homeless, single mom, Honkala has spent nearly three decades working directly alongside the poor to build the movement to end poverty, and has organized tens of thousands of people to take action via marches, demonstrations and tent cities. All the information on the tour will be posted at www.jillstein.org on October 19. WHEN: Sunday and Monday October 21st and 22nd WHERE: Silicon Valley De-Bug, Da Anza College, Youth Uprising, Kahlil for Mayor Headquarters WHO: Cheri Honkala, Green Party VP candidate and the National Coordinator for the Poor People?s Economic Human Rights Campaign -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vdf at juno.com Thu Oct 18 20:12:16 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 03:12:16 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Party Marijuana Button? Message-ID: <20121018.201216.9022.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> I tried looking for it in the copies of our website archived at www.archive.org, and I didn't find it there, either. I don't have a soft copy of a sheet of buttons, but I might have an actual button (I'll look later). If I do find a button (or buttons) I'd be happy to mail it/them to someone for scanning or selling. Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:05:02 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: GPSCC Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Green Party Marijuana Button? Hello, All: Does anyone have a copy of Green Party Marijuana button art or know how we can get such? Caroline says that's our best selling button, and she's currently out of it. She's meeting with Tian this afternoon and would like to have more printed so they could make more. She says it used to be under "Button Art". However, I have a copy of the "buttons" available there just over a year ago (9/29/2011), and it wasn't there then. Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5080c5655a44c45653e06st01vuc From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 19 00:27:01 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 00:27:01 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Daniel Ellsberg: Defeat Romney Message-ID: <508100C5.6070903@earthlink.net> Food for thought... I have a lot of respect for Daniel Ellsberg, the man who, at great personal risk, released the Pentagon Papers to the world. He has written an article "Defeat Romney, Without Illusions about Obama" "Advice to progressives in swing states, vote for reelection" and, according to Ellsberg, (paragraph 9 in this article), Chomsky is of similar mind. I personally am so angry at the Democrats for all they have done, that I can't see me voting for Obama, even if I was in a swing state. But I have had the luxury of not being in a swing state, so never really confronted the issue. I still think the lesser of two evils is still evil. I still think that continuing to vote the lesser of two evils is a good cop / bad cop trap. I still want IRV and/or PR. But out of respect for Ellsberg, and so that we are aware of the argument(s), I suggest that you read the article: "Defeat Romney, Without Illusions about Obama" "Advice to progressives in swing states, vote for reelection" http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/18 Please note that he did NOT say "Vote for Obama". I'd like to know what people think. And I'd also like to know what Greens in the swing states think. At times like this, I am grateful we have an electoral college, because we have the luxury of being in a non swing state. Oops, I take that back. Gore might have been elected in 2000 if we did not have an electoral college. And does anyone know what the polls say about the popular vote difference between Romney and Obama? Gerry P.S. Doesn't Ellsberg live in California? And Chomsky lives in Massachusetts. Both non swing states. So maybe they are like Michael Moore in 2000. He went to Florida to tell them to vote for Gore because Florida was a swing state. From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Fri Oct 19 08:26:01 2012 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:26:01 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Daniel Ellsberg: Defeat Romney In-Reply-To: <508100C5.6070903@earthlink.net> References: <508100C5.6070903@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <50817109.8020505@truffula.sj.ca.us> Fallacy of false assumption, one of the classical non-sequiturs. If we didn't have an electoral college, what else would be different? Did we lose it because of nationwide martial law? Did we never have it because we're still an English colony? If we didn't have an electoral college, I would be king. It's a true statement, but meaningless. If then is true. > > At times like this, I am grateful we have an electoral > college, because we have the luxury of being in a non > swing state. Oops, I take that back. Gore might have > been elected in 2000 if we did not have an electoral > college. And does anyone know what the polls say > about the popular vote difference between Romney and > Obama? From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 19 09:21:40 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:21:40 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Monday & Tuesday: Throw debate-watching parties for the real debates! In-Reply-To: <50817cf4a3bb2_14ae156cefc802b5@app3.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <50817cf4a3bb2_14ae156cefc802b5@app3.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <50817E14.1010002@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jill Stein for President Subject: Monday & Tuesday: Throw debate-watching parties for the real debates! Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:16:52 +0000 Size: 14725 URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Fri Oct 19 13:01:15 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:01:15 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Daniel Ellsberg: Defeat Romney In-Reply-To: <508100C5.6070903@earthlink.net> References: <508100C5.6070903@earthlink.net> Message-ID: He says some good things, including the pithiest and most complete indictment of Obama I've ever seen: "A tool of Wall Street, a man who?s decriminalized torture and is still complicit in it, a drone assassin, someone who?s launched an unconstitutional war, supports kidnapping and indefinite detention without trial, and has prosecuted more whistleblowers like myself than all previous presidents put together. . . . It?s entirely appropriate to be enraged at Barack Obama. As I am. He has often acted outrageously, not merely timidly or 'disappointingly.' If impeachment were politically imaginable on constitutional grounds, he?s earned it." But ultimately he's arguing for the lesser evil. When the lesser evil is a war criminal,the Nuremberg Principles bar me from voting for him--even in a swing state. That would be complicity. If the Democrats had any integrity, there would have been a primary challenger--someone to say "I'm sorry, but we've gone down the wrong road, throwing away the rule of law, respect for the Constitution, peace, even simple human decency. It's got to stop." And then the Obama voters could at least say "Well I voted for the other last spring. I tried." But the Democrats didn't have that dialog, and instead they are corrupting the entire party by pretending that a blatant criminal is a worthy candidate. I disagree when he says there's a difference between the R's and the D's. On theissues that concern me (militarism and empire, the Constitution and the rule of law) there is no difference. The agenda there is obviously bipartisan. I hate to be hard-hearted on the social issues, but I consider myself only realistic. I have workedamong and with the poor and marginalized most of my adult life. I lived in my carfor a year in NYC. I feel no obligation to vote on their behalf. There is not going tobe any meaningful change in this country until they stand up and vote for themselves.I'm not going to do it for them, not so the Dems can brag about tossing a few crumbs to the dispossessed while they shovel a trillion a year at the militocracy. Thelesser-evil choice is short-sighted. Maybe if the greater plutocrat like Romney wins instead of the lesser plutocrat, the 99% will wake up to their rage and their power and take over Congress in 2014. Here's a cute 50-second video about the fake Coke/Pepsi dichotomy:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmlOfvYpL10&list=UUCU5Ac7Vd7cqPk074nnKSTw&index=1&feature=plcpCatchy music, too. While Ellsberg is urging swing-staters to vote Democratic, he neglects to even mention that in non-battleground states we should vote Third Party to register our disgust with the top options. He doesn't tell us if he's voting for Obama or Third Party. Why not? I'm amazed at how many supposedly intelligent Californians are so blinkered by their terror of a Romney win that they don't recognize that Obama doesn't even need their votes because his victory in California is assured. The Republicans foster a mirroring terror of an Obama win. It's good for business. The electoral college system provides a needed check and balance because the electionsare administered and the votes tabulated state by state, allowing election fraud to beisolated. It also provides the unique opportunity for third parties to prosper in solidly red and blue states, an opportunity we need to seize while we still can. We need to make substantial progress in 2014. For me it's been an eight-year war against evil, and I have to face up to the fact that no matter what happens this November, evil wins. ### > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 00:27:01 -0700 > From: gerrygras at earthlink.net > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Daniel Ellsberg: Defeat Romney > > > Food for thought... > > I have a lot of respect for Daniel Ellsberg, > the man who, at great personal risk, released > the Pentagon Papers to the world. > > He has written an article > "Defeat Romney, Without Illusions about Obama" > "Advice to progressives in swing states, vote for reelection" > > and, according to Ellsberg, (paragraph 9 in this article), > Chomsky is of similar mind. > > I personally am so angry at the Democrats for > all they have done, that I can't see me voting > for Obama, even if I was in a swing state. > But I have had the luxury of not being in a swing > state, so never really confronted the issue. > > I still think the lesser of two evils is still > evil. > > I still think that continuing to vote the lesser > of two evils is a good cop / bad cop trap. > > I still want IRV and/or PR. > > But out of respect for Ellsberg, and so that we > are aware of the argument(s), I suggest that you > read the article: > > "Defeat Romney, Without Illusions about Obama" > "Advice to progressives in swing states, vote for reelection" > http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/18 > > Please note that he did NOT say "Vote for Obama". > > I'd like to know what people think. > > And I'd also like to know what Greens in the swing > states think. > > At times like this, I am grateful we have an electoral > college, because we have the luxury of being in a non > swing state. Oops, I take that back. Gore might have > been elected in 2000 if we did not have an electoral > college. And does anyone know what the polls say > about the popular vote difference between Romney and > Obama? > > Gerry > > P.S. Doesn't Ellsberg live in California? And Chomsky > lives in Massachusetts. Both non swing states. So > maybe they are like Michael Moore in 2000. He went to > Florida to tell them to vote for Gore because Florida > was a swing state. > > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 19 14:08:42 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:08:42 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Metro LTE Message-ID: <5081C15A.1070401@earthlink.net> Sandy Perry has a letter supporting "Yes on D" in the current Metro (Oct. 17-23) page 8. Titled "Evolution". Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Oct 19 15:14:38 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:14:38 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-forum] Cheri Honkala in San Jose, Sun. 10/21, 6-8 pm -- FIGHTING FOR OUR FUTU RE In-Reply-To: <20121019125816.ed1fb2a5e3eb3651f51d693dd6df412c.595e8f48fc.wbe@email04.secureserver.net> References: <20121019125816.ed1fb2a5e3eb3651f51d693dd6df412c.595e8f48fc.wbe@email04.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <5081D0CE.8010500@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [gpca-forum] Cheri Honkala in San Jose, Sun. 10/21, 6-8 pm -- FIGHTING FOR OUR FUTU RE Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:58:16 -0700 From: To: Valerie D. Face , gpca-forum at cagreens.org Hopefully, someone will brief Cheri about the Prop D campaign to increase the minimum wage in San Jose. If voters approve it, 40,000 workers will see an increase in pay. Members of the San Jose Chamber of Commerce have pledged to spend $1.5 million to defeat the initiative. Prop D is an important step towards increasing the minimum wage statewide. I am hosting a fund raising party for the Prop D campaign at the same time - Sunday, October 21st from 6 to 7:30. Assemblyman Tom Ammiano and SF Supervisor John Avalos will be attending. Let me know if you would like to attend or need more information. Barry Hermanson 2467 28th Avenue San Francisco, CA 94116 415-664-7754 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gpca-forum] Cheri Honkala in San Jose, Sun. 10/21, 6-8 pm -- FIGHTING FOR OUR FUTU RE From: "Valerie D. Face" > Date: Thu, October 18, 2012 4:47 pm To: gpca-forum at cagreens.org *Fighting for our Future!* *Lifelong anti-poverty activist and current Green Party candidate for Vice President Cheri Honkala will speak in San Jose on Sunday evening, October 21. She will talk with the audience during a hip hop concert from 6 to 8 pm at Silicon Valley De-Bug Community Center, 701 Lenzen Avenue in San Jose.* The concert will feature Metafizix, Rahman Jamaal, DLabrie, and Shamako Noble. Admission is free but donations will be requested. Cheri Honkala is director of the Poor People's Economic Human Rights Campaign. She has fought for housing for everyone ever since her experience as a homeless mother in Minnesota in the 1980s. Recently she has become a nationally recognized leader in the fight to resist foreclosures. The two major parties today are promising NOTHING in this election, and instead each one accuses the other of being worse. In fact BOTH of them propose to scale back spending on housing, health care, education, and Social Security at the very time when we need these programs more than ever. Their only disagreement is over how fast to do it. The Green Party ticket of Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala is advancing a positive vision called the *Green New Deal*. The Green New Deal projects a 1930s-style jobs program to restore our schools and universities, transit systems, health care delivery, and environment (see http://www.jillstein.org ). The burning question today is not lesser evils, but the basic direction for our country. Instead of bipartisan bank bailouts, let's invest our national resources in a better world for our children. Instead of holding hunger games, let's build a moral society based on the spiritual values of love and community. Voting Green in California is part of a long term strategy to build a viable third party for the future. A strong Green Party vote today lays the foundation for the battle in the days ahead. ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ *Woman is 53 But Looks 25* Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... ConsumerLifestyleMag.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ gpca-forum mailing list gpca-forum at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ gpca-forum mailing list gpca-forum at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum From vdf at juno.com Fri Oct 19 23:03:39 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 06:03:39 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Suggested website update: Cheri Honkala event announcements Message-ID: <20121019.230339.3044.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Hi folks, I suggest that we put announcements of the two Cheri Honkala events on our website. I suggest the following text: === Announcement 1 === Real Talk, Real Action: An Evening with Cheri Honkala Sunday, October 21 2012 6:00 - 9:00 PM Silicon Valley De-Bug 701 Lenzen Ave San Jose, CA 95126 Join us for an evening of Q and A and real talk with Green Party Vice Presidential candidate Cheri Honkala and some of the Bay Area's premier Hip Hop acts! Hosted by the Santa Clara County Hip Hop Congress at Silicon Valley De-Bug. Hosted by Shamako Noble Performing: * DLabrie * Rahman Jamaal * Metafizix With tunes from Malcom H. For more information, please call Shamako at 408-624-2999 To learn more about the Green Party ticket, visit http://www.jillstein.org === Announcement 2 === Voter Awareness Week Rally Monday, October 22, 2012 9:00 - 11:00 AM De Anza College 21250 Stevens Creek Blvd Cupertino, CA 95014 Rally in the Quad at the state's sixth largest Community College! Green Party Vice Presidential candidate Cheri Honkala will speak to students in the Main Quad. This rally is for Voter Awareness Week at De Anza College. A campus map is available at http://www.deanza.edu/map/ To learn more about the Green Party ticket, visit http://www.jillstein.org === I'm not strongly attached to any particular wording -- I'm just hoping to get a conversation started so that we get the announcements out there before the events happen. If something is already in the works off-list, my apologies. A while ago it was mentioned that Shamako might design a hip-hop friendly version of the flyer for the De-Bug event. If that happened, putting a copy on our website would be cool. === I'm pretty busy this weekend, so I apologize in advance if I don't reply promptly to any event discussions that arise. I committed to calling a bunch of Greens about the De-Bug and De Anza events, and I've made good headway, but I still need to finish some more calls. This weekend I will finish the zip codes I listed and won't take on any others, so if other folks decide they want to call, there's plenty to choose from. Since I have a lot going on this weekend and likely won't make it to either event, the calling and online posting I've done will probably be my only contributions this time around. Kudos to everyone who's putting these events together! I'm thrilled that we're doing so much for our wonderful Green candidates this year! Best wishes, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com Sat Oct 20 00:01:58 2012 From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Suggested website update: Cheri Honkala event announcements In-Reply-To: <20121019.230339.3044.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> References: <20121019.230339.3044.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1350716518.43876.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> That's very well put.? Spencer would you please put it up on the web site? Drew ? ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/ ? ? First TV ad:? http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 >________________________________ > From: Valerie D. Face >To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:03 PM >Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Suggested website update: Cheri Honkala event announcements > >Hi folks, > >I suggest that we put announcements of the two Cheri Honkala events on our website.? I suggest the following text: > >=== Announcement 1 === > >Real Talk, Real Action: An Evening with Cheri Honkala >Sunday, October 21 2012 >6:00 - 9:00 PM? >Silicon Valley De-Bug >701 Lenzen Ave >San Jose, CA? 95126 > >Join us for an evening of Q and A and real talk with Green Party Vice Presidential candidate Cheri Honkala and some of the Bay Area's premier Hip Hop acts!? Hosted by the Santa Clara County Hip Hop Congress at Silicon Valley De-Bug. > >Hosted by Shamako Noble > >Performing: > >? * DLabrie >? * Rahman Jamaal >? * Metafizix > >With tunes from Malcom H. > >For more information, please call Shamako at 408-624-2999 > >To learn more about the Green Party ticket, visit http://www.jillstein.org > >=== Announcement 2 === > >Voter Awareness Week Rally >Monday, October 22, 2012 >9:00 - 11:00 AM >De Anza College >21250 Stevens Creek Blvd >Cupertino, CA? 95014 > >Rally in the Quad at the state's sixth largest Community College!? Green Party Vice Presidential candidate Cheri Honkala will speak to students in the Main Quad.? This rally is for Voter Awareness Week at De Anza College. > >A campus map is available at http://www.deanza.edu/map/ > >To learn more about the Green Party ticket, visit http://www.jillstein.org > >=== > >I'm not strongly attached to any particular wording -- I'm just hoping to get a conversation started so that we get the announcements out there before the events happen.? If something is already in the works off-list, my apologies. > >A while ago it was mentioned that Shamako might design a hip-hop friendly version of the flyer for the De-Bug event.? If that happened, putting a copy on our website would be cool. > >=== > >I'm pretty busy this weekend, so I apologize in advance if I don't reply promptly to any event discussions that arise.? I committed to calling a bunch of Greens about the De-Bug and De Anza events, and I've made good headway, but I still need to finish some more calls.? This weekend I will finish the zip codes I listed and won't take on any others, so if other folks decide they want to call, there's plenty to choose from.? Since I have a lot going on this weekend and likely won't make it to either event, the calling and online posting I've done will probably be my only contributions this time around. > >Kudos to everyone who's putting these events together!? I'm thrilled that we're doing so much for our wonderful Green candidates this year! > >Best wishes, >Valerie > > >~*~*~*~ >Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America >http://www.jillstein.org/ > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. >http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 >_______________________________________________ >sosfbay-discuss mailing list >sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat Oct 20 10:44:17 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:44:17 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Suggested website update: Cheri Honkala event announcements In-Reply-To: <1350716518.43876.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <20121019.230339.3044.0@webmail05.vgs.untd.com> <1350716518.43876.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5082E2F1.8080001@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: The info is now on "http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/". Thanks to Valerie for creating the desired text and Drew for asking me to make the changes to the web site. If you see anything else you think should be changed on the web site, please let me know. Spencer On 10/20/2012 12:01 AM, Drew wrote: > That's very well put. Spencer would you please put it up on the web site? > > Drew > > ~*~*~*~ > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America > Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/ > First TV ad: http://youtu.be/vaObRxkX8K4 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Valerie D. Face > *To:* sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 11:03 PM > *Subject:* [GPSCC-chat] Suggested website update: Cheri Honkala > event announcements > > Hi folks, > > I suggest that we put announcements of the two Cheri Honkala > events on our website. I suggest the following text: > > === Announcement 1 === > > Real Talk, Real Action: An Evening with Cheri Honkala > Sunday, October 21 2012 > 6:00 - 9:00 PM > Silicon Valley De-Bug > 701 Lenzen Ave > San Jose, CA 95126 > > Join us for an evening of Q and A and real talk with Green Party > Vice Presidential candidate Cheri Honkala and some of the Bay > Area's premier Hip Hop acts! Hosted by the Santa Clara County Hip > Hop Congress at Silicon Valley De-Bug. > > Hosted by Shamako Noble > > Performing: > > * DLabrie > * Rahman Jamaal > * Metafizix > > With tunes from Malcom H. > > For more information, please call Shamako at 408-624-2999 > > To learn more about the Green Party ticket, visit > http://www.jillstein.org > > === Announcement 2 === > > Voter Awareness Week Rally > Monday, October 22, 2012 > 9:00 - 11:00 AM > De Anza College > 21250 Stevens Creek Blvd > Cupertino, CA 95014 > > Rally in the Quad at the state's sixth largest Community College! > Green Party Vice Presidential candidate Cheri Honkala will speak > to students in the Main Quad. This rally is for Voter Awareness > Week at De Anza College. > > A campus map is available at http://www.deanza.edu/map/ > > To learn more about the Green Party ticket, visit > http://www.jillstein.org > > === > > I'm not strongly attached to any particular wording -- I'm just > hoping to get a conversation started so that we get the > announcements out there before the events happen. If something is > already in the works off-list, my apologies. > > A while ago it was mentioned that Shamako might design a hip-hop > friendly version of the flyer for the De-Bug event. If that > happened, putting a copy on our website would be cool. > > === > > I'm pretty busy this weekend, so I apologize in advance if I don't > reply promptly to any event discussions that arise. I committed > to calling a bunch of Greens about the De-Bug and De Anza events, > and I've made good headway, but I still need to finish some more > calls. This weekend I will finish the zip codes I listed and won't > take on any others, so if other folks decide they want to call, > there's plenty to choose from. Since I have a lot going on this > weekend and likely won't make it to either event, the calling and > online posting I've done will probably be my only contributions > this time around. > > Kudos to everyone who's putting these events together! I'm > thrilled that we're doing so much for our wonderful Green > candidates this year! > > Best wishes, > Valerie > > > ~*~*~*~ > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America > http://www.jillstein.org/ > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. 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Stein told Democracy Now anchor Amy Goodman. ?Yet they felt the need to keep us in tight plastic restraints tightly secured to metal chairs.? Stein and Honkala were arrested Tuesday < http:// www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/16/green-party-candidate-jill-stein-arrested-outside-debate/ >? while sitting in the street to protest their exclusion from this year?s presidential debates between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney. They tried to enter the debate hall at the host site, Hofstra University, but were denied access because they lacked the necessary credentials. During her arrest, Stein criticized the group that organized the event, the Commission on Presidential Debates, which was put together as a joint effort by Democrats and Republicans to administer the debates after the League of Women Voters stepped out of that role in 1987. Stein said the two women were handcuffed the entire time they spent inside a facility specifically designed to hold protesters, even though they had only been charged with violations. She said a request for their release was denied because, she was told, authorities did not want them ?wandering around.? Stein also said she and Honkala were not released until about 30 minutes after the Obama-Romney debate, when they were told ?their car? was waiting for them. ?It was actually a Secret Service car, apparently, that was waiting for us,? Stein said. ?We were not allowed to make a phone call, there was no phone that was working. We didn?t have ours ? we had given our phones to our assistants ? so it was quite a bit of work to be able to borrow a phone from someone in a gas station.? She did, however, say that she was allowed to return a call from her lawyer at one point, but was unable to make arrangements for her release because she did not know when that would happen. ?They actually told our staff that they would be arrested if they continued to wait on site,? Stein said. Watch Stein?s recounting of her experience, aired on Democracy Now Wednesday, < http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/17/green_partys_jill_stein_cheri_honkala >? starting at the 13:30 mark of the video below.? (See VIDEO with Raw Story link above.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Sat Oct 20 20:20:48 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:20:48 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Hearing Wednesday, Oct, 24, 9:30 AM re. $ 1/4 million penalty against Prop 14 opponents, San Francisco Superior Court In-Reply-To: <8E0692EF-2CD1-41B6-97C9-BCD18143FF86@lmi.net> References: <8E0692EF-2CD1-41B6-97C9-BCD18143FF86@lmi.net> Message-ID: <50836A10.3000409@prodsyse.com> Hello, All: Might you or anyone you know be able to attend a court hearing in San Francisco next Wednesday, Oct. 24, 9:30 AM? This is a hearing on a "Motion for Reconsideration" of a $243,000 judgment against half a dozen politically active but middle class citizens in favor of attorneys for Charles Munger, right wing billionaire sponsor of numerous legal attacks on unions and democracy, including Prop 14 (2010) and now Prop 32. For more on this case, see the Wikipedia article on "Prop 14 (2010)" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_14_(2010)#Court_Challenge_and_Controversial_Ruling ] or the email below. (This email is from Jeff Mackler, a socialist. He was joined in this suit, and will share this judgment with, five others, including a Libertarian, a Democrat, a labor organizer, and a professor of political science.) Many cases are decided in court hearings with no observers from the public other than direct parties to the suit. It is fairly well established that the presence of observers in a court can impact the quality of justice, especially in "David v Goliath"-type procedures pitting common citizens against plutocrats. Without mentioning details, I'm fairly confident that my presence in courtrooms as an observer has made a material contribution to the quality of justice available to specific members of the 99%. Anacharsis, a legal sage of ancient Athens, said, "Laws are spider-webs, which catch the little flies but cannot hold the big ones." (Wikipedia, "Anacharsis") Thanks for your support of the 99%. Spencer -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Mumia-alerts] Court Date Change: $243, 000 penalty imposed on Jeff Mackler Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:53:32 -0700 From: mumia-alerts at mailman.lmi.net Reply-To: mumia-alerts at mailman.lmi.net To: mumia-alerts at mailman.lmi.net Urgent request! Note: Our court date has been changed to Wednesday, October 24, 9:30 PM. > > Dear Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal, > Please join me in court this Wednesday, Oct. 24 at 9:00 am. San Francisco Superior Court, 400 McAllister at Polk, Room 302. The question before the court will be: Should attorney fees in the amount of $243,000 be imposed on me and five other plaintiffs as punishment for challenging in California courts the new anti-democratic election law? We seek to fill the courtroom to make clear that supporters of basic civil and democratic rights are keenly concerned with the outcome of the proceeding. As Director of the Mobilization to Free Mumia Abu-Jamal, I have spent a good part of the past 18 years working for Mumia's freedom and in solidarity with all political prisoners. In 2005 as a write-in and socialist candidate for the U.S. Senate in California, I spoke out for Mumia in ten states. Two years ago, the Prop 14 or "Top Two" new election law banned write-in campaigns and otherwise severely restricted ballot access rights for all third parties, I and five other plaintiffs sought relief by filing a law suit to challenge this ballot rights atrocity. We lost the suit but were shocked even more when a Superior Court judge imposed $243,000 in attorney fees against us, an unprecedented move. Such fees, under California and federal law can only be imposed if a suit has been found to be against the public interest or frivolous. Fighting for the right to fully participate in the electoral process is certainly not either! This is a SLAPP suit if there ever was one ? a chill against all those who would seek to redress legitimate claims against the state. > > The Peace and Freedom Party and the Green Party have also justly > challenged Prop 14 - "Top Two" as well and could be subjected to the > same or worse penalties. > > AGAIN Join Us! Wednesday, October 24, San Francisco, 400 McAllister at > Polk. (The hearing formally begins at 9:30 am but passing through the > security apparatus will take some time.) > > In solidarity, Jeff Mackler 510-268-9429 Director, Mobilization to > Free Mumia Abu-Jamal > The following article has all the details. > > *$243,00 in Attorney Fees Levied Against * > > *Jeff Mackler* > > ***By Christopher Reynolds* > > In late July 2012 San Francisco Superior Court Judge Curtis E.A. > Karnow imposed $243,279.50 in punitive attorney fees against Socialist > Action National Secretary Jeff Mackler and five other plaintiffs, who, > two years earlier, filed a law against the State of California > challenging important provisions of Proposition 14, the new and > infamous ?Top Two? election law. The product of a bipartisan vote in > the California State Legislature, ?Top Two? was in significant part > aimed at banning minority parties and candidates from fully > participating in the electoral process. > > Top Two bans write-in campaigns outright and forces candidates who are > not ?ballot qualified? and who run in a now mandated ?open primary? to > identify themselves as ?no party preference? despite the fact that > they are members of political parties. > > Mackler, who ran an effective 2006 Socialist Action write-in campaign > for the U.S. Senate, joined the lawsuit to defend these elementary > democratic rights and to avert the forced designation of ?no party > preference? in anticipated future electoral efforts when he is well > known as a national leader of Socialist Action. > The > five other plaintiffs in the suit were similarly members of a number > of political parties that ran candidates in California. > > Other opponents of ?Top Two,? like the ballot-certified Peace and > Freedom Party, have challenged the initiative on the grounds that its > passage all but eliminates the right to run in general elections, as > Peace and Freedom has done since the 1960s. Since only the top two > candidates in the mandated primary election can run in the general > election, even if the top two are members of the same party, as is > today the case in some eight California election districts, minor > parties are for all practical purposes banned. > > Proposition 14/?Top Two? was backed by multi-millionaire ?liberal? > Republican Charles Munger Jr., whose interest in the initiative, > according to /Ballot Access News/editor Richard Winger, is to > eliminate fringe or ultra conservative parties or candidates from the > ballot who might siphon off votes from ?mainstream? California > Republicans like former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. Munger, who > is also chair of the Santa Clara County Republican Central Committee, > is the son of Warren Buffett's business partner in Berkshire Hathaway, > Charlie Munger Sr. > > When the six plaintiffs, including Mackler and Winger, filed suit > against the State of California to challenge important aspects of the > law the presiding judge in the case allowed several ?third party > intervenors,? who supported and helped finance Top Two, to join the > state in defending it in court. The intervenors successfully argued, > according to Winger, that ?the California Secretary of State would not > defend top-two vigorously enough.? > > The Republican law firm Nielsen Merksamer was hired for this purpose. > The firm failed to state at the time that it intended to file for > attorney fees. Its ?defense? of Top Two,? as it turns out, included > the intention to collect massive and punitive legal fees, the amount > to be determined by the firm itself ? with the assistance of a > friendly judge one might presume. > > Some two years of litigation followed, during which time California > courts rejected the challenge filed by the six plaintiffs. The matter > was dropped, but not until Judge Karnow, breaking with all legal > precedents, awarded Nielsen Merksamer's well heeled clients > $243,279.50 in attorney fees against Mackler and the other plaintiffs. > > California law bans such awards unless a lawsuit has harmed the > ?public interest.? Similarly, federal law, which in this case trumps > state law, also prohibits the awarding of attorney fees unless a > lawsuit is ?frivolous.? But neither Nielsen Merksamer nor Judge Karnow > alleged that the original lawsuit filed by the plaintiffs met either > of these criteria. Several observers saw Karnow?s decision as closer > to a political act of Republican Party patronage than one in accord > with a established principle: encouraging citizens to use the courts > to redress legitimate grievances, in this instance the fundamental > democratic right to participate in the electoral process. > > The six plaintiffs immediately challenged the imposition of the > punitive attorney fee award by filing a Motion for Reconsideration, in > which they are asking the very court that rendered the decision to > change its mind. > > Within a matter of weeks, a broad range of civil and democratic rights > organizations filed amicus (friend of the court) briefs, which showed > that the legal fees imposed on Mackler and the other five plaintiffs > violated state and federal law in a number of ways. A total of five > amicus briefs were submitted to the court on the plaintiff?s behalf -- > an unprecedented number for /any /state trial court proceeding. > > A joint brief was submitted by the National Lawyers Guild and the > Center for Constitutional Rights by a top Los Angeles law firm > (Hadsell & Stormer). The internationally prominent law firm of Orrick, > Herrington and Sutcliffe submitted a brief from FairVote, a national > voter rights advocacy group. The law firm of Jina Nam & Associates > submitted a joint brief by Ralph Nader and the Center for Competitive > Democracy and another by author, political reformer and rank choice > voting advocate Steven Hill. Finally, the law firm of Walter Riley, a > prominent Oakland civil rights attorney, submitted a brief on behalf > of the Alexander Meiklejohn Institute. > > In a stunningly arrogant manner, Nielsen Merksamer demanded what > amounted to an illegal ?emergency? (ex parte) hearing before Judge > Karnow -- essentially insisting that he dismiss the plaintiff?s Motion > for Reconsideration outright. > > Gautam Dutta, the plaintiff?s attorney, appeared the very next day > before a packed courtroom of 50-plus plaintiff supporters and demanded > that Judge Karnow recuse himself from the proceeding and that the > court reject the Nielsen ?emergency? demand to dismiss. > > Karnow, who had the option to challenge the demand that he recuse > himself, declined to do so. Nielsen?s motion to dismiss was rejected > and a new court date of October 22, instead of October 3, was set to > hear the plaintiff?s Motion to Reconsider. Such a motion is rarely > granted in California courts. In this case, however, the action > imposing the draconian and unprecedented attorney fee stands in such > blatant violation of state and federal law that the punitive ?SLAPP > suit? might well be dismissed and the matter ended on October 22. > > Karnow?s decision to recuse himself could be an indication that he has > no further interest in pursuing this matter in what began as a David > and Goliath battle between the huge and moneyed Nielsen law firm and a > single attorney representing six dedicated plaintiffs seeking justice. > > With the unprecedented amicus briefs filed by other major law firms on > behalf of nationally-recognized civil and democratic organizations, > the plaintiffs are justified in expecting a victory on October 22. But > in these troubled times when basic democratic rights and civil > liberties, including the right to participate in the electoral > process, are under attack across the country, nothing can be taken for > granted. > > Should this repressive and illegal fine be affirmed, the plaintiff?s > will have no alternative but to appeal to the California courts and > then, if necessary to the U.S. Supreme Court -- a sobering prospect. > Equally worrisome, the financial clock is ticking and the original > punishing imposition of $243,279.50 can only be expected to mount > with each appeal. > > Needless to say, the chilling effect of this case could be > considerable. Legally, the result not only undermines public policy, > but violates outright the protections afforded to public > interest-interest plaintiffs under both federal and state law. > > > Unless it is reversed, this unprecedented, unjust ruling could have > sweeping consequences over a far broader range of issues and litigants > than the underlying dispute (which addresses the merits of the Top Two > Primary's enabling legislation). > > Supporters of Jeff Mackler and the other plaintiffs plan to attend > the San Francisco Superior Court hearing at 9:30 am on October 22 at > 400 McAllister Street at Polk. (Please come 30 minutes early, as you > have to clear security). All supporters of democratic rights are urged > to join them. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 21 10:34:32 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:34:32 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [gpca-forum] Richard Winger's Prop 14 Court Case DATE CHANGED to Wed. Oct. 24 In-Reply-To: <54bb.1454b1a.3db5893f@aol.com> References: <54bb.1454b1a.3db5893f@aol.com> Message-ID: <50843228.80009@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [gpca-forum] Richard Winger's Prop 14 Court Case DATE CHANGED to Wed. Oct. 24 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:22:07 -0400 (EDT) From: RubinArnol at aol.com To: gpca-forum at cagreens.org ? Please join us in court this Wednesday, Oct. 24 at 9:00 am. San Francisco Superior Court, 400 McAllister at Polk, Room 302. The question before the court will be: Should attorney fees in the amount of $243,000 be imposed on Richard Winger and five other plaintiffs as punishment for challenging in California courts the new anti-democratic election law? We seek to fill the courtroom to make clear that supporters of basic civil and democratic rights are keenly concerned with the outcome of the proceeding.? Two years ago, the Prop 14 or "Top Two" new election law banned write-in campaigns and otherwise severely restricted ballot access rights for all third parties, Richard Winger and five other plaintiffs sought relief by filing a law suit to challenge this ballot rights atrocity. They lost the suit but were shocked even more when a Superior Court judge imposed $243,000 in attorney fees against them, an unprecedented move. Such fees, under California and federal law can only be imposed if a suit has been found to be against the public interest or frivolous. Fighting for the right to fully participate in the electoral process is certainly not either! This is a SLAPP suit if there ever was one ??? a chill against all those who would seek to redress legitimate claims against the state. The Peace and Freedom Party and the Green Party have also justly challenged Prop 14 - "Top Two" as well and could be subjected to the same or worse penalties.? AGAIN Join Us! Wednesday, October 24, San Francisco, 400 McAllister at Polk, meeting outside beginning at 9:00 AM. (The hearing formally begins at 9:30 am but passing through the security apparatus will take some time.)? --Michael Rubin Please note "Rubin vs. Bowen," the court case in which GPAC is a plaintiff, which is being heard in Alameda County, has its next court date on Monday October 29 at 9:00 AM, 1221 Oak Street, Oakland, Dept. 16. ? ? -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ gpca-forum mailing list gpca-forum at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/gpca-forum From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Oct 21 10:34:53 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:34:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Re: [gpca-forum] Regarding Richard Wingers' upcoming Oct 22nd court hearing ($250, 000 fine!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5084323D.7030301@earthlink.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [gpca-forum] Regarding Richard Wingers' upcoming Oct 22nd court hearing ($250, 000 fine!) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:27:48 -0700 From: Sanda Everette To: Gerry Gras , GPCA Forum Gerry, I just got back from a week in Mexico and there was a voice mail on my phone from Richard Winger saying that that hearing is indeed on Wednesday the 24th and that the supposedly good judge ruled that the supposedly bad judge could not recuse himself and he will be hearing the case on Wednesday to see if he will change his opinion. This sounds ridiculous, our legal system is sounding more and more like 1984. Sanda Writing from tiny communication device On Oct 20, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Gerry Gras wrote: > > I just saw an email that says it has been changed > to Wednesday. I don't know what's real. > > Stay tuned. > > Gerry > > > Gerry Gras wrote: >> >> The last I knew, it was a good idea for us to be >> there Monday morning. I assume that is still >> true despite the info below. Am I wrong? >> >> Gerry >> >> >> Victoria Ashley wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> This next court hearing will determine if Richard Winger will be fined >>> $250,000 for daring to challenge Top Two. We need people to take action >>> this week. >>> >>> My understanding is that the judge on the case is expected the make a >>> preliminary decision on the FRIDAY (Oct 19th) before the Monday hearing >>> (Oct 22nd, 9:30 am in the same place, Dept. 302, SF Superior Court, 400 >>> McAllister St., SF 94102). >>> >>> *Therefore, we need to get Letters to the Editor and phone calls out by >>> this FRIDAY (Oct 12th)* if we want the judge to have time to consider >>> them while he creates his response. >>> >>> The best way for those at the court to know we are watching this case is >>> to call them and ask about it and / or make your opinion known about >>> it. The person to call at the court is *Presiding Judge, Katherine >>> Feinstein : >>> (415) 551-3705*. Most likely you will be forwarded to voice mail. >>> http://www.sfsuperiorcourt.org/sites/default/files/images/i_presiding_judge.jpg >>> >>> Presiding Judge Katherine Feinstein >>> >>> You can reference the case as "Field vs Bowen". >>> >>> Your Letter to the Editor should include something about the case and >>> your opinion. If you went to the first hearing, that would be great to >>> include any details about. >>> >>> Local newspapers include: >>> >>> SF Chronicle >>> http://www.sfgate.com/submissions/#1 >>> >>> SF Examiner >>> http://www.sfexaminer.com/info/contact >>> >>> Oakland Tribune >>> http://www.insidebayarea.com/feedback/tribune >>> >>> And of course we need people to show up and once again, pack the court! >>> >>> Background on the case: >>> >>> *Winger Munger and Loser Pays* >>> August 5th, 2012 @ 7:00 pm >>> >>> For the past forty-five years, Richard Winger has been campaigning for a >>> better legal environment for new and minor parties and independent >>> candidates. Winger has been publishing the monthly Ballot Access >>> News since 1985. His budget ? $6,000 a year. Now, Richard Winger and >>> five other ballot activists are facing a big bill ? $243,279.50. That?s >>> what California state court judgeCurtis E.A. Karnow last week >>> ordered them to pay in attorneys fees to intervenors. (continued) >>> >>> http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/wingermungerloserpays08052012/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions. >>> >>> THANK YOU!!! >>> >>> -- Victoria >>> >>> >>> If money is speech so are tents >>> >>> --- On *Tue, 10/2/12, Victoria Ashley //* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Victoria Ashley >>> Subject: Re: [gpca-forum] court today re Prop. 14 >>> To: "Gloria Purcell" , "Jack Wagner" >>> >>> Cc: gpca-forum at cagreens.org, "GPSMC-D" >>> Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 1:03 PM >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Just wanted to say THANKS SO MUCH to those of you who helped Richard >>> Winger and packed the SF courtroom for his hearing! >>> >>> *The next hearing is set for Monday Oct. 22nd at 9:30 amin the same >>> place.* >>> (Dept. 302, SF Superior Court, 400 McAllister St., SF 94102) >>> >>> Please mark your calendar. >>> >>> As you may know, despite seven years and hundreds of court filings, >>> the Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear an appeal brought by >>> Washington State's Democratic and Libertarian parties seeking to end >>> the top-two primary system there. (See: >>> >>> http://www.kplu.org/post/7-years-top-two-primary-litigation-washington-comes-end >>> and >>> >>> http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/10/01/u-s-supreme-court-refuses-to-hear-washington-state-top-two-open-primary-case/) >>> >>> >>> That means that our two court cases in the Bay Area will play a >>> critically important role in fighting the top-two scam. I have two >>> requests toward that effort: >>> >>> *1) Please attend this next hearing -- packing the court for this >>> will again be HUGELY IMPORTANT. >>> >>> 2) Can those who attended the first hearing please write a brief >>> letter to the editor about what happened, and post photos from that >>> morning (on social media or send to me via email and I will post)?* >>> * >>> * >>> Whether you attended the first hearing or not, please consider >>> sending one letter to the editor to one paper that you regularly >>> read. The attack on Richard Winger was blatant and average people >>> are angered almost across the board by that. >>> >>> Additionally, most people are unaware that our ability to write-in a >>> candidate's name on our ballot election day is now taken away, and >>> this could be mentioned -- see: >>> http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/09/30/18722682.php >>> >>> Letters will be important to generate media coverage -- when news >>> organizations see letters coming in they may be more likely to send >>> a reporter to cover the story. >>> >>> Local newspapers include: >>> >>> SF Chronicle >>> http://www.sfgate.com/submissions/#1 >>> >>> SF Examiner >>> Letters to the editor can be submitted via our contact form as well >>> by choosing the appropriate category. Please note that we give >>> preference to letters containing fewer than 150 words. You must >>> include your name, phone number, and city of residence >>> http://www.sfexaminer.com/info/contact >>> >>> Oakland Tribune >>> http://www.insidebayarea.com/feedback/tribune >>> >>> >>> --- On *Mon, 9/17/12, Jack Wagner //*wrote >>> >>> >>> On 17 September 2012 18:48, Gloria Purcell >>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, we packed the room! There were about 45 people there, >>> including Peace & Freedom besides Greens, CA for Electoral >>> Reform, probably some Libs. Good to see lots of old friends! >>> This hearing was not the appeal of the bad decision on our >>> suit re P. 14. That is later; see below. This was about >>> the SLAP suit demanding over $245,000 in legal fees because >>> we lost. >>> >>> Gauttam was great! First, he asked the judge (the same one >>> who gave the "no" verdict already!!! That is not at all >>> correct) to recuse himself, and the judge did. Gauttam is >>> sure that without us all there staring at him, the story >>> would have been different! Then the two lawyers were sent >>> to present a quick version of the case with a Clerk, with a >>> man from the Secty of State's office listening in by phone. >>> The other lawyer wanted our appeal dismissed. Gauttam was >>> sharp and presented our side with passion as well as >>> intelligence. >>> The Clerk went out of the room to speak with another judge, >>> who sent him back with the message: case NOT dismissed but >>> the money demand was!! The other lawyer won an extension >>> (which Gauttam had said already was fine with our side). So >>> the new hearing date for the P. 14 appeal is set for Oct. 22 >>> at 9:30 a.m., SF Superior Court, Room 302. >>> >>> Please mark your calendars now! 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Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:12:19 +0000 Size: 14812 URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Mon Oct 22 00:39:22 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:39:22 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Cheri Honkala is a Rock Star! Message-ID: I didn't expect much. Cheri comes off poorly on video and in pictures, but in person she has sizzling charisma (like Carol Brouillet in that way). What I said recently about giving Tough Love to the dispossessed? She's the one to give it! She's the one to mobilize the people who don't vote, and convince them that storming the Bastille of electoral politics is the way to go. We can make another world. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aecountrygirl at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 12:57:47 2012 From: aecountrygirl at gmail.com (Ariana Eakle) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:57:47 -0500 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Greetings from an Oklahoma Green! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings, My name is Ariana Eakle. I'm an Oklahoma resident and I consider myself a Green, but Oklahoma will not allow me to register as such. In fact, as you may be aware, Oklahoma will only have two candidates on the ballot this year: Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. Oklahoma is notorious for being the second hardest state in our union when it comes to ballot access. It is one of the eight states that does not even allow write-ins. I was extremely disappointed to learn I would not be able to vote for Jill Stein. So, I decided to do something about it. I started a petition on Change.org calling for the reform of these laws. So far over 500 people have signed it, including two US Congressional Candidates from Oklahoma, an Oklahoma state Congressional Candidate, and a Florida state Congressional candidate. I started an accompanying Facebook page called "Americans United for Oklahoma Ballot Access Reform," and though it is only a few days old it already has 134 likes. 87.4% of registered voters nationwide have more choices than Oklahoma voters...Oklahoma has not had a third party candidate on its ballot since 2000. We are seeking signatures from people nationwide, and even have a few signatures from Europe and Canada. I am asking for you to help out your countrymen and women to the east and share this petition as widely as you can. If we work hard on this and get national exposure then Oklahomans may well be able to vote Green in 2016! Our state Congress has entertained bills about ballot access reform in the past, but they do not have the pressure of public opinion behind them and chose to vote to keep the two-party duopoly over our state. 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The vote comes after a long -- and so far successful -- grassroots effort. The Palo Alto Human Relations Commission passed the resolution by a unanimous vote last month, calling on the City Council to do the same. Please attend this very important Council meeting to show support for the resolution. Open to all people, but Palo Alto residents are especially encouraged to attend. Gather in the City Hall lobby at 6:30 PM to coordinate our speakers and get stickers showing your support. Council meeting starts at 7:00 PM. Meeting agenda is at http://www.city.palo-alto.ca.us/civicax/filebank/documents/31574 Details at http://www.cityofpaloalto.org/civicax/filebank/documents/31575. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Occupy San Jose" group. To post to this group, send email to occupy-san-jose at googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to occupy-san-jose+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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If you weren?t able to tune in, visit our website where you can watch the full broadcast or watch the highlights that we aired on Tuesday's broadcast. Democracy Now! aired the Obama-Romney debate and paused after questions to include the responses from third-party candidates Jill Stein of the Green Party and Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party. We know that you deserve to hear the perspectives of all candidates on the ballot this election season. This new approach to the nation?s debate format was made possible by support from dedicated viewers and listeners like you. Click here to donate today and make this critical election coverage possible. Your donation today will support more groundbreaking coverage this election year, including our special election night broadcast on November 6th. We'll be reporting live for six hours that night ? breaking the sound barrier from the front lines of this historic election. Programming like this in an election year is critical. 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Expand the Debate this Election Year In-Reply-To: <7c55dbbfa32e541749065a92a5d03c7a6aa.20121024181959@mail23.us2.mcsv.net> References: <7c55dbbfa32e541749065a92a5d03c7a6aa.20121024181959@mail23.us2.mcsv.net> Message-ID: Help spread the word about Amy's debate enhancements so she knows people are watching and they care. Most of us are pretty maxed out for contributions this election season, but a nominal contrib would send thanks. If every Green in CA gave $5 that would be half a million dollars! Do your bit. B Dear Friend, For this week's final U.S. Presidential debate Democracy Now! expanded the debate to bring you the voices of excluded third party candidates. If you weren?t able to tune in, visit our website where you can watch the full broadcast or watch the highlights that we aired on Tuesday's broadcast. 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Democracy Now! believes that you deserve to hear all of the voices and perspectives available during this landmark campaign ? the first Presidential election since the Citizens United decision gave corporations free rein to influence elections with a flood of cash. If you think it?s important for Americans to think about social and economic issues the Republican and Democratic candidates won?t touch, please donate today. We?re committed to Expanding the Debate in the weeks remaining before voters cast their ballots in the 2012 Election. We believe in the voice of the Silenced Majority. Robust debate on the critical issues of the day only strengthens democracy. Click here to donate today and give voice to the Silenced Majority. Please mark your calendar and be sure to tune in to Democracy Now! for our special live election night coverage on Tuesday, November 6th. We need your financial support to keep Expanding the Debate in the weeks leading up to the election. 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Expand the Debate this Election Year In-Reply-To: <7c55dbbfa32e541749065a92a5d03c7a6aa.20121024181959@mail23.us2.mcsv.net> References: <7c55dbbfa32e541749065a92a5d03c7a6aa.20121024181959@mail23.us2.mcsv.net> Message-ID: Help spread the word about Amy's debate enhancements so she knows people are watching and they care. Most of us are pretty maxed out for contributions this election season, but a nominal contrib would send thanks. If every Green in CA gave $5 that could be half a million dollars! Do your bit. B Subject: Help Democracy Now! Expand the Debate this Election Year From: appeal at democracynow.org To: snug.bug at hotmail.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:20:14 +0000 Greetings from Democracy Now! This email has lots of photos, so please turn on images or view it in your browser. Help Democracy Now! Expand the Debate in the weeks leading up to Election Day 2012 Dear Friend, For this week's final U.S. Presidential debate Democracy Now! expanded the debate to bring you the voices of excluded third party candidates. If you weren?t able to tune in, visit our website where you can watch the full broadcast or watch the highlights that we aired on Tuesday's broadcast. Democracy Now! aired the Obama-Romney debate and paused after questions to include the responses from third-party candidates Jill Stein of the Green Party and Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party. We know that you deserve to hear the perspectives of all candidates on the ballot this election season. This new approach to the nation?s debate format was made possible by support from dedicated viewers and listeners like you. Click here to donate today and make this critical election coverage possible. 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Face) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:40:20 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] test Message-ID: <20121024.134020.1190.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Checking to see if email list is working yet. ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Ready to Soar Small Stock Set to Skyrocket Over 1,000% http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/508852452a0ff52440af8st01vuc From vdf at juno.com Thu Oct 25 22:01:31 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 05:01:31 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Jill Stein to face Libertarian Gary Johnson in Tues 10/30 Free & Equal debate in DC Message-ID: <20121025.220131.32180.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Hi folks, Free and Equal has announced the results of their instant runoff voting to see which candidates would advance to their second debate. Libertarian Gary Johnson was first, and our own Jill Stein was second, so they will debate in Washington, DC on Tuesday, October 30. http://freeandequal.org/updates/winners-of-october-23-presidential-debate/ Best wishes, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 57 But Looks 27 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/508a1979c4e1519790165st02vuc From vdf at juno.com Tue Oct 23 16:22:44 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:22:44 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nov & Dec meeting dates Message-ID: <20121023.162244.26828.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Hi everyone, Right now the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's calendar lists our November meeting for Thursday 11/22 (Thanksgiving) and our December meeting for Thursday 12/27 (two days after Christmas). Should we move those up a week? Last year we made a decision in the summer to reserve the SJP&JC for the 3rd Thursdays of November and December even though we weren't sure we would have meetings both months (with the idea that it's easier to cancel a time slot we're not going to use than to scramble at the last minute for a different date or venue). That seemed to work well. It turned out that we used both time slots. FYI, right now the SJP&JC's calendar lists nothing for Thursday 12/20. For Thursday 11/15 there's an event at San Jose City College and an event ("Close Encounters in the Middle East") with a request for information and no location. Best wishes, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/508726e492a2126e4391est03vuc From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Thu Oct 25 22:25:21 2012 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:25:21 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] test Message-ID: <508A1EC1.20302@truffula.sj.ca.us> test From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 25 23:02:34 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:02:34 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] test Message-ID: <508A277A.2010705@prodsyse.com> NOW = 10/25/2012 11:02 PM -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Thu Oct 25 23:22:43 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:22:43 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] test2 Message-ID: <508A2C33.1080608@prodsyse.com> NOW = 10/25/2012 11:22 PM please excuse: My email for this list was turned off, and I think I just turned it on, but I need to check. Thanks. Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com Thu Oct 25 23:25:32 2012 From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:25:32 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: October 25, 2012 GPSCC GA Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: <508A0F4D.40203@prodsyse.com> References: <508A0F4D.40203@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <508A2CDC.4060107@structuremonitoring.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: October 25, 2012 GPSCC GA Meeting Minutes Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:19:25 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: Jim Doyle CC: John Thielking , aecountrygirl at gmail.com, danasg at greens.org, tsubaka360 at gmail.com, alexcathy at aol.com, iq4rent at hotmail.com, eric at philosopherswheel.com, cathyd at 9to5.org, wrolley at charter.net, carolineyacoub at att.net, vdf at juno.com, gerrygras at earthlink.net, snug.bug at hotmail.com, Rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com, PerrySandy at aol.com, fredlois2 at gmail.com, tnHarter at aceweb.com, cls at truffula.sj.ca.us, wb4d23 at aol.com, GPSCC , Susie Barton Below please find the minutes from tonight's meeting. Please post any additions or corrections, etc., to this list. Spencer On 10/25/2012 10:37 AM, Jim Doyle wrote: > Greetings all, > Here is some inforomation that the discussion group did not receive. > > There is an enthusiastic volunteer who first contacted Valerie. > Then I exchanged a few emails with her. The bottom line is she > intends to > attend the Thursday night's meeting, also tonight. Furthermore she wants > to do tabling both Saturday and Sunday and more. > > As such tabling plans whoud be a part of the agenda: > Farmers' Markets Saturday and Sunday October 27 & 28 > Junior State Saturday November 17-th > Holiday Peace Fair Saturday December 1-st > > As to the Holiday Peace Fair, I have sent in the application fee for a > table. > > Also, here is a reminder of our responsibilities for and at the > Holiday Peace Fair: > > We have signed up for a table at the Holiday Peace Fair, > Saturday 1-st. Tablers and set up people needed. > > Perhaps the most unique aspect of the Fair is that it is virtually > impossible for an organization not to make money! > > Participating groups get an allotment of Holiday Peace Fair tickets. > The usual number is 20 for each 1/2 table and 40 for each full table > space, but you may have more (or less). > > Your organization keeps the proceeds from its own ticket > distribution/donations and may request more than the initial supply. > You may also distribute tickets for less than the stated $2. > > Flyers advertising the Fair will be provided (printed and electronically) > to distribute to your group and in your communities. > > IMPORTANT: Each group is required to donate at least one item for sale > at the dessert table (chocolate items and pies of any kind are very > popular). > > The Fair will be open to the public from 11 AM to 4 PM. We will have > one-two > hours to clean up after the 4 PM closing. Please find one or more > volunteer(s) > from your group to help with general set-up (8 AM Saturday) and with > general > clean-up as well as people to set-up (from 9-11 AM Saturday) and clear > your > own table(s). > > A full table space will cost your organization $40. [paid 10-24-2012] > > > John Thielking wrote: > >> This still didn't get sent to the GP chat list, even though the main >> web site is up. I looked up as many e-mail addresses that had sent >> GP chat e-mails as I could before IE locked up. I've included them >> here. Take note of the additional e-mail addresses added to the cc list. >> >> John Thielking >> >> --- On *Wed, 10/24/12, John Thielking //* wrote: >> >> >> From: John Thielking >> Subject: Draft October 25, 2012 GPSCC GA Meeting Agenda >> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org >> Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 7:48 PM >> >> This is the first draft of the proposed agenda for the October 25, >> 2012 GPSCC GA meeting, with some elements borrowed from last >> month's agenda. Any proposed changes are due by 3PM on Thursday, >> October 25, 2012 to: pagesincolor at yahoo.com >> . >> >> John Thielking >> Proposed Agenda for October 25, 2012 Green Party of Santa >> Clara >> County GA meeting >> 7:00-7:30 So far as I know, we don't have a speaker >> lined up for this time, >> but I'm sure we would like to get together to talk about the Prop >> 37 event. >> 7:30 >> Meeting begins. Identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper, >> vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next meeting. facilitator: Tian Notetaker: spencer time keeper: John vibes watcher: Betsy Agenda preparer: John Thielking >> 7:35 >> Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda. Do we have >> official minutes from September's meeting? If so, the official >> minutes should be approved. tian.greens.org has Cheri Honkala photos Sandy, Jim Doyle, John T., Drew Johnson: Saturday, 8 Dec., talk on Iran and Syria. Spencer, Betsy Wolf-Graves: Sunday, Hatem H. will be at the Peace Center starting at 6:30 PM. The government has been after him and others as a result of their activism, probably in demonstrating at a National Convention. Dana St. George, Gerry Gras Guy Major >> 7:50 >> Treasurer's report and hat passing. Jim Doyle $1,665.72 balance. Voter turnout, Jim Doyle: Nothing re. campaigning the last 12 days. Drew: CivicCRM system? Not sufficiently configured for effective use now. Tian will hand out Stein-Honkala fliers at the Mt. View train depot. "Genetic Roulette" to be shown here at the Peace Center, Nov. 2. Perry: Follow up at DeAnza? Will coordinate with Drew. >> 8:00 >> What did everybody do to get ready for the Cheri H events? How >> successful were they? >> Report back on CH events. $283 receipts + $20 for a t-shirt. Sandy: Shamako is doing a Green - Hip Hop thing. >> 8:15 >> Report back on Gavillan College event John Thielking, Sandy Perry >> Got 3 pages of contacts from the Gavillan College event. Caroline has the list. Perry volunteered to help with a Green club. Perry would like to help organize tabling there before the election. Wes doesn't come to meetings but might be willing to help at Gavallin. >> 9:10 >> Holiday Peace Fair Planning update John Thielking Campbell United Methodist Church on Winchester. Tian can help set up and stay till the end. Dana and Gerry will help set up and leave early. >> 9:25 Last minute planning for showing of Genetic >> Roulette at the Peace >> Center on Friday, November 2, 2012. John Thielking Film = 1.5 hour. Pot Luck start at 6:30(?) Tian will bring something. Dana will cook something, Gerry will bring. Betsy & Spencer will bring something. Katie Meyer? Didn't show tonight. Jim Doyle suggested she could help her table at a Farmers' Market. Tian can help her table with at a Framers' Market at Mt. View (9 - 1). Jim will contact Katie. Junior State: Nov. 17. Drew, and Tian will help. Caroline typically likes to do this. Spencer will look for a white banner in his garage. 9:00 Change November & December meeting dates November: change from 22 to 29. SG to request. Leave December as is. Presenter: John Thielking Background: Right now the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's calendar lists our November meeting for Thursday 11/22 (Thanksgiving) and our December meeting for Thursday 12/27 (two days after Christmas). Should we move those up a week (or to some other date that's agreeable to most who will attend)? Last year we made a decision in the summer to reserve the SJP&JC for the 3rd Thursdays of November and December even though we weren't sure we would have meetings both months (with the idea that it's easier to cancel a time slot we're not going to use than to scramble at the last minute for a different date or venue). That seemed to work well. It turned out that we used both time slots. FYI, right now the SJP&JC's calendar lists nothing for Thursday 12/20. For Thursday 11/15 there's an event at San Jose City College and an event ("Close Encounters in the Middle East") with a request for information and no location. >> 8:25 How to fix the cagreens.org e-mail chat function if it's not >> already fixed by >> Thursday? If it's back up by then, we probably don't need to >> discuss this. The www.cagreens.org web >> site is currently up, but last time John tried to send an e-mail >> to the GP chat list he got an error message sent back 2 days later. >> Tian will call Cameron and take a next step. >> >> 8:35 >> Spencer proposes that the Green Party of Santa Clara County >> officially file a legal request to unobtrusively attend and record >> deposition(s) of Salma and David Merritt by attorneys representing >> financial institutions. >> For more information, see "Merritt v Countrywide" at >> http://occupy.pbworks.com (especially >> "http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/57677826/Merritt%20v%20Countrywide", >> >> "http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/59812692/Stoelker", and >> "http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/file/59817477/Support%20of%20Motion%20for%20Protective%20Order-PEJohnson.pdf"; >> >> the latter is a sworn statement by Porter Eugene Johnson, who had >> never met the Merritts prior to the earlier deposition and >> describes the >> behavior of Goldberg essentially as I did above). >> >> 8:50 >> Spencer's proposal that the Green Party start immediately >> after this election to build a coalition with other minor parties to >> develop a common slate of candidates to support in the 2014 >> elections, >> focusing especially on minor offices like school boards, etc.: >> I'd like >> to see the Greens and Peace and Freedom parties field at most only >> one >> candidate in any given race affected by the "Top Two" rule. We >> might >> call it something like the "Green Peace Coalition". If we don't >> have >> time this Thursday, I'd like to see us discuss it November 22. >> No problem with the Peace & Freedom party but not the Libertarians. >> 9:40 Meeting ends. >> > > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web:www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tnharter at aceweb.com Thu Oct 25 23:36:01 2012 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:36:01 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Cheri Honkala visited DeBug last Sunday Message-ID: <508A2F51.4060306@aceweb.com> Please see my pictures of the event by clicking this link: http://tian.greens.org/GreenParty/CheriHonkala/SanJoseDeBugOct20th12.html I'm planning to add any comments from the responses to this item that fit to that page. I'd love to read your thoughts in replies to this! -- Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: U.S. national debt is now above sixteen trillion dollars. The Kiwi Green pin I got in Baltimore is now on a South Dakota quarter. From snug.bug at hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 00:28:43 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:28:43 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Notes from Honkala at Debug in San Jose In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: She's running despite her personal baggage to raise issues not addressed in the national discussion: * the high incarceration rate among African-Americans * the prison-industrial complex * the school-prison pipeline * Obama's deporting of immigrants at the highest rate in history * the number of people dying every day for lack of healthcare. If people knew what was going on in this room everything would change. There's a news blackout. Her future is either the Green House or the penitentiary. Be afraid. Though 3.2 million supporters will vote for Stein and Hongkala, they were whisked away to a secret warehouse for hours, attended by 13 cops and 3 secret service agents. The place was all set up with crowd barriers for mass arrests that never happened. Stop locking people up for economic issues. Legalize pot. Bring the troops home, teach them to be organic farmers. The day after the election will be the awakening for the Greens and Occupiers when everyone realizes it will only continue downhill. After 25 years and 200 arrests she realized that we must break the abusive relationship with the Democrats to get serious, to build a new future. Most countries in the world have 5 or 10 political parties. We're stuck with 2, both controlled by corporations. To make something happen join the party and make it as you want it. She plans mass pardons, legalization of marijuana, rehabilitation instead of incarceration. In Philadelphia, people with drug and alcohol problems are given one sink or swim shot at a 28-day program. Tens of thousands have been taken off general assistance. In 2 days 10 people were shot. We need to change who's in charge. People fake suicide attempts because it's the only way they can get treatment to get off drugs. Elected officials act only when activists force them to. Running for office is painful, but most people are only influenced through elections. She'll choose political effectiveness over political correctness and deal with people where they're at. The answer to foreclosure is for its victims to stay in their homes. What if a million families stayed in their foreclosed homes? Fight for a moratorium on foreclosures. Fighting in the streets will be more effective than fighting in the courts and the legislature. Organize families into local groups. Green jobs are necessary--we need to feed and house an army. To improve messaging we need to get the word "sustainability" in front of people, need to use social media, art, and culture and exploit the talents of young people who can break messages down and speak directly and "make it plain". Policies of legalized indefinite detention and executive killing threaten all of us. Many dictators first go after strong women by targeting their children. The billions in the war on terror are not being spent to protect us from terrorists--they are being used against us. But people are coming to life. In the next four years there will be social explosions, and let's hope they are organized so they can be positive. She's new to the Green Party, but she brings in a lot of friends who are also new. Of course none of them have $1.95. Forgive student loans. With half the military budget we can rebuild the world. For the next four years, let's talk YOU into running. They've raised the Green Party profile and now are looking for candidates across the country. We need voter registration drives, and Green visibility at all home takeovers and pipelines. We need to demonstrate our differences with Democrats by going to jail. For single moms, healthcare is a luxury. Jill Stein got tired of practicing two tiers of health care. Her books are about holistic health and environmental issues relating oppressing people of color. I'll teach the foodies to go to jail, and they'll teach me to eat blueberries. Both are good ideas. In this insane world staying mentally healthy is hard work. She uses spirituality and affirmations. Try to be happy on the inside, loving yourself and others. Foreign policy: close military bases, Israel is not God, stop the violence happening to Palestinians--the detentions, the killing, the starving. There is no need for war anywhere. People around the world should work out their own conflicts. In the Green House they will have a Cabinet Department of Peace run by indigenous leaders. We differ from the Democrats in terms of not trying to be meaner. Control should be by communities through participatory decision-making globally. Teach conflict resolution, and model that with cooperative institutions and living in community. Quit deporting people. Residents have a right to healthcare. Foreclosure moratorium. Stop bailing out banks. Fire everyone in Congress who works for Wall Street. Get the money out of politics. Develop local land trusts under community control to decide whether Wal-Mart or Debug should inhabit them. Sandy Perry proposed organizing around foreclosure. Get rid of money in politics, fire Wall Street, that levels the playing field. The Democrats and Republicans are content to see who can cut the deficit, who can be toughest in foreign-policy. Our goal is not to be bipartisan. We will not participate in war. We will not participate in killing mother earth. We refuse to proceed from assumptions of scarcity. You don't have to worry about voting Green in California. You can go to sleep loving yourself. We can send a strong message. ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vdf at juno.com Tue Oct 23 23:30:41 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 06:30:41 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] test Message-ID: <20121023.233041.3851.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Wondering if the email list is running again... ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50878b4c8e2eb4b533bst01vuc From vdf at juno.com Mon Oct 22 21:27:41 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:27:41 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nov & Dec meeting dates Message-ID: <20121022.212741.21029.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Hi folks, Right now the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's calendar lists our November and December meetings for Thursday 11/22 (Thanksgiving) and Thursday 12/27 (two days after Christmas). Do we want to consider moving those up a week? Last year we made a decision in the summer to reserve the SJP&JC for the 3rd Thursdays of November & December even though we weren't sure we were going to have meetings both months (with the idea that it's easier to cancel a night we won't use than to scramble at the last minute for a different venue or date). That seemed to work out OK. Right now the SJP&JC calendar lists no events for Thursday 12/20. On Thursday 11/15 there is one event listed for San Jose City College and a second event, "Close Encounters in the Middle East," that contains a request for a contact name and no location, so that evening the center may or may not be free. Thoughts? Best wishes, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 57 But Looks 27 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50861cfe600f81cfe5a27st02vuc From vdf at juno.com Tue Oct 23 13:57:33 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:57:33 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nov & Dec meeting dates Message-ID: <20121023.135733.14134.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hi everyone, Right now the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's calendar lists our November meeting for Thursday 11/22 (Thanksgiving) and our December meeting for Thursday 12/27 (two days after Christmas). Should we move those up a week? Last year we made a decision in the summer to reserve the SJP&JC for the 3rd Thursdays of November and December even though we weren't sure we would have meetings both months (with the idea that it's easier to cancel a time slot we're not going to use than to scramble at the last minute for a different date or venue). That seemed to work well. It turned out that we used both time slots. FYI, right now the SJP&JC's calendar lists nothing for Thursday 12/20. For Thursday 11/15 there's an event at San Jose City College and an event ("Close Encounters in the Middle East") with a request for information and no location. Best wishes, Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50870520bbbee5202f0ast04vuc From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com Fri Oct 26 06:15:07 2012 From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:15:07 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nov & Dec meeting dates In-Reply-To: <20121023.135733.14134.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20121023.135733.14134.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <508A8CDB.90002@prodsyse.com> We decided to move November to Nov. 29 but keep December as it was, Dec. 27; I think this is recorded in the minutes, but I put it here, so you won't have to wade through the minutes to find it. Spencer On 10/23/2012 1:57 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Right now the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's calendar lists our November meeting for Thursday 11/22 (Thanksgiving) and our December meeting for Thursday 12/27 (two days after Christmas). Should we move those up a week? > > Last year we made a decision in the summer to reserve the SJP&JC for the 3rd Thursdays of November and December even though we weren't sure we would have meetings both months (with the idea that it's easier to cancel a time slot we're not going to use than to scramble at the last minute for a different date or venue). That seemed to work well. It turned out that we used both time slots. > > FYI, right now the SJP&JC's calendar lists nothing for Thursday 12/20. For Thursday 11/15 there's an event at San Jose City College and an event ("Close Encounters in the Middle East") with a request for information and no location. > > Best wishes, > Valerie > > > ~*~*~*~ > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America > http://www.jillstein.org/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50870520bbbee5202f0ast04vuc > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com From mfeinstein at feinstein.org Tue Oct 23 12:40:01 2012 From: mfeinstein at feinstein.org (Mike Feinstein) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:40:01 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] cagreens.org down: How to fix? In-Reply-To: <5086EF44.6030408@prodsyse.com> References: <5086EF44.6030408@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <87E8722E-48C7-42C6-981B-1496DB710BC1@feinstein.org> Dear Spencer, all In the future, the place to send this request is it-help at cagreens.org, although of course if cagreens.org isn't working, then its possible that email won't go through either. I've directly contacted Thomas Leavitt, who addresses these issues for us and he is looking into it. Cameron does not currently manage the web site, Thomas does. Mike On Oct 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Spencer Graves wrote: > Hello, All: > > > "cagreens.org" has been down for a couple of days. The last > email I got from a California Green email list is stamped 10/21/2012 > 7:53 PM. I tried to access the web site several times yesterday > without success. > > > What needs to happen to get it back up again? > > > Thanks, > Spencer > > > p.s. I sent an email that should have reached Cameron, but I have > not yet received a reply. My attempts to reach others have failed, > because they require cagreens.org for distribution. From cls at truffula.sj.ca.us Tue Oct 23 13:21:11 2012 From: cls at truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:21:11 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] cagreens.org down: How to fix? In-Reply-To: <87E8722E-48C7-42C6-981B-1496DB710BC1@feinstein.org> References: <5086EF44.6030408@prodsyse.com> <87E8722E-48C7-42C6-981B-1496DB710BC1@feinstein.org> Message-ID: <5086FC37.5050601@truffula.sj.ca.us> it was up when I looked a few minutes ago. It's up now. files.cagreens.org/sclara too. Wangari's uptime is 117 days. Certain IP addresses are worth knowing. There has been a public name server at 4.2.2.1 since Pacific Telesys days. Also Google offers one at 8.8.8.8. Ping those to see if your network connection is up. On 10/23/2012 12:40 PM, Mike Feinstein wrote: > Dear Spencer, all > > In the future, the place to send this request is it-help at cagreens.org, > although of course if cagreens.org isn't working, then its possible > that email won't go through either. > > I've directly contacted Thomas Leavitt, who addresses these issues for > us and he is looking into it. Cameron does not currently manage the > web site, Thomas does. > > Mike > > On Oct 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Spencer Graves wrote: > >> Hello, All: >> >> >> "cagreens.org" has been down for a couple of days. The last >> email I got from a California Green email list is stamped 10/21/2012 >> 7:53 PM. I tried to access the web site several times yesterday >> without success. >> >> >> What needs to happen to get it back up again? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Spencer >> >> >> p.s. I sent an email that should have reached Cameron, but I have >> not yet received a reply. My attempts to reach others have failed, >> because they require cagreens.org for distribution. From perrysandy at aol.com Thu Oct 25 23:06:45 2012 From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] October 25, 2012 GPSCC GA Meeting Minutes In-Reply-To: <508A0F4D.40203@prodsyse.com> References: <1351135145.5198.YahooMailClassic@web111111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <508978D4.6070606@sbcglobal.net> <508A0F4D.40203@prodsyse.com> Message-ID: <8CF815735EC7976-2148-37441@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com> Hi Everyone, Here's the link to the video of Cheri speaking at DeBug. http://vimeo.com/52004383 Sandy -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Graves To: Jim Doyle Cc: John Thielking ; aecountrygirl ; danasg ; tsubaka360 ; alexcathy ; iq4rent ; eric ; cathyd ; wrolley ; carolineyacoub ; vdf ; gerrygras ; snug.bug ; Rainbeaufriend ; PerrySandy ; fredlois2 ; tnHarter ; cls ; wb4d23 ; GPSCC ; Susie Barton Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 9:19 pm Subject: October 25, 2012 GPSCC GA Meeting Minutes Below please find the minutes from tonight's meeting. Please post any additions or corrections, etc., to this list. Spencer On 10/25/2012 10:37 AM, Jim Doyle wrote: Greetings all, Here is some inforomation that the discussion group did not receive. There is an enthusiastic volunteer who first contacted Valerie. Then I exchanged a few emails with her. The bottom line is she intends to attend the Thursday night's meeting, also tonight. Furthermore she wants to do tabling both Saturday and Sunday and more. As such tabling plans whoud be a part of the agenda: Farmers' Markets Saturday and Sunday October 27 & 28 Junior State Saturday November 17-th Holiday Peace Fair Saturday December 1-st As to the Holiday Peace Fair, I have sent in the application fee for a table. Also, here is a reminder of our responsibilities for and at the Holiday Peace Fair: We have signed up for a table at the Holiday Peace Fair, Saturday 1-st. Tablers and set up people needed. Perhaps the most unique aspect of the Fair is that it is virtually impossible for an organization not to make money! Participating groups get an allotment of Holiday Peace Fair tickets. The usual number is 20 for each 1/2 table and 40 for each full table space, but you may have more (or less). Your organization keeps the proceeds from its own ticket distribution/donations and may request more than the initial supply. You may also distribute tickets for less than the stated $2. Flyers advertising the Fair will be provided (printed and electronically) to distribute to your group and in your communities. IMPORTANT: Each group is required to donate at least one item for sale at the dessert table (chocolate items and pies of any kind are very popular). The Fair will be open to the public from 11 AM to 4 PM. We will have one-two hours to clean up after the 4 PM closing. Please find one or more volunteer(s) from your group to help with general set-up (8 AM Saturday) and with general clean-up as well as people to set-up (from 9-11 AM Saturday) and clear your own table(s). A full table space will cost your organization $40. [paid 10-24-2012] John Thielking wrote: This still didn't get sent to the GP chat list, even though the main web site is up. I looked up as many e-mail addresses that had sent GP chat e-mails as I could before IE locked up. I've included them here. Take note of the additional e-mail addresses added to the cc list. John Thielking --- On *Wed, 10/24/12, John Thielking //* wrote: From: John Thielking Subject: Draft October 25, 2012 GPSCC GA Meeting Agenda To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 7:48 PM This is the first draft of the proposed agenda for the October 25, 2012 GPSCC GA meeting, with some elements borrowed from last month's agenda. Any proposed changes are due by 3PM on Thursday, October 25, 2012 to: pagesincolor at yahoo.com . John Thielking Proposed Agenda for October 25, 2012 Green Party of Santa Clara County GA meeting 7:00-7:30 So far as I know, we don't have a speaker lined up for this time, but I'm sure we would like to get together to talk about the Prop 37 event. 7:30 Meeting begins. Identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper, vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next meeting. facilitator: Tian Notetaker: spencer time keeper: John vibes watcher: Betsy Agenda preparer: John Thielking 7:35 Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda. Do we have official minutes from September's meeting? If so, the official minutes should be approved. tian.greens.org has Cheri Honkala photos Sandy, Jim Doyle, John T., Drew Johnson: Saturday, 8 Dec., talk on Iran and Syria. Spencer, Betsy Wolf-Graves: Sunday, Hatem H. will be at the Peace Center starting at 6:30 PM. The government has been after him and others as a result of their activism, probably in demonstrating at a National Convention. Dana St. George, Gerry Gras Guy Major 7:50 Treasurer's report and hat passing. Jim Doyle $1,665.72 balance. Voter turnout, Jim Doyle: Nothing re. campaigning the last 12 days. Drew: CivicCRM system? Not sufficiently configured for effective use now. Tian will hand out Stein-Honkala fliers at the Mt. View train depot. "Genetic Roulette" to be shown here at the Peace Center, Nov. 2. Perry: Follow up at DeAnza? Will coordinate with Drew. 8:00 What did everybody do to get ready for the Cheri H events? How successful were they? Report back on CH events. $283 receipts + $20 for a t-shirt. Sandy: Shamako is doing a Green - Hip Hop thing. 8:15 Report back on Gavillan College event John Thielking, Sandy Perry Got 3 pages of contacts from the Gavillan College event. Caroline has the list. Perry volunteered to help with a Green club. Perry would like to help organize tabling there before the election. Wes doesn't come to meetings but might be willing to help at Gavallin. 9:10 Holiday Peace Fair Planning update John Thielking Campbell United Methodist Church on Winchester. Tian can help set up and stay till the end. Dana and Gerry will help set up and leave early. 9:25 Last minute planning for showing of Genetic Roulette at the Peace Center on Friday, November 2, 2012. John Thielking Film = 1.5 hour. Pot Luck start at 6:30(?) Tian will bring something. Dana will cook something, Gerry will bring. Betsy & Spencer will bring something. Katie Meyer? Didn't show tonight. Jim Doyle suggested she could help her table at a Farmers' Market. Tian can help her table with at a Framers' Market at Mt. View (9 - 1). Jim will contact Katie. Junior State: Nov. 17. Drew, and Tian will help. Caroline typically likes to do this. Spencer will look for a white banner in his garage. 9:00 Change November & December meeting dates November: change from 22 to 29. SG to request. Leave December as is. Presenter: John Thielking Background: Right now the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's calendar lists our November meeting for Thursday 11/22 (Thanksgiving) and our December meeting for Thursday 12/27 (two days after Christmas). Should we move those up a week (or to some other date that's agreeable to most who will attend)? Last year we made a decision in the summer to reserve the SJP&JC for the 3rd Thursdays of November and December even though we weren't sure we would have meetings both months (with the idea that it's easier to cancel a time slot we're not going to use than to scramble at the last minute for a different date or venue). That seemed to work well. It turned out that we used both time slots. FYI, right now the SJP&JC's calendar lists nothing for Thursday 12/20. For Thursday 11/15 there's an event at San Jose City College and an event ("Close Encounters in the Middle East") with a request for information and no location. 8:25 How to fix the cagreens.org e-mail chat function if it's not already fixed by Thursday? If it's back up by then, we probably don't need to discuss this. The www.cagreens.org web site is currently up, but last time John tried to send an e-mail to the GP chat list he got an error message sent back 2 days later. Tian will call Cameron and take a next step. 8:35 Spencer proposes that the Green Party of Santa Clara County officially file a legal request to unobtrusively attend and record deposition(s) of Salma and David Merritt by attorneys representing financial institutions. For more information, see "Merritt v Countrywide" at http://occupy.pbworks.com (especially "http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/57677826/Merritt%20v%20Countrywide", "http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/page/59812692/Stoelker", and "http://occupy.pbworks.com/w/file/59817477/Support%20of%20Motion%20for%20Protective%20Order-PEJohnson.pdf"; the latter is a sworn statement by Porter Eugene Johnson, who had never met the Merritts prior to the earlier deposition and describes the behavior of Goldberg essentially as I did above). 8:50 Spencer's proposal that the Green Party start immediately after this election to build a coalition with other minor parties to develop a common slate of candidates to support in the 2014 elections, focusing especially on minor offices like school boards, etc.: I'd like to see the Greens and Peace and Freedom parties field at most only one candidate in any given race affected by the "Top Two" rule. We might call it something like the "Green Peace Coalition". If we don't have time this Thursday, I'd like to see us discuss it November 22. No problem with the Peace & Freedom party but not the Libertarians. 9:40 Meeting ends. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vdf at juno.com Fri Oct 26 18:48:52 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:48:52 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Nov & Dec meeting dates Message-ID: <20121026.184852.27941.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Hi Spencer, Yes, I read the minutes and was glad to see that the meetings were moved. These were messages I sent to the sosfbay-discuss list while it was down -- both as tests and to raise the issue, in case the tests happened to be successful. I knew that we'd have a bunch of these old messages coming through, and that's why I sent a couple of "NOW is x" tests to sosfbay-news last night -- to easily distinguish them from my older test messages (although you can find my old sent dates in the headers). My "now" test for sosfbay-discuss was the news about Jill Stein making it into the next Free & Equal debate on the 30th, and it went through. ;-) Best wishes, Valerie ---------- Original Message ---------- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 06:15:07 -0700 From: Spencer Graves To: "Valerie D. Face" Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Nov & Dec meeting dates We decided to move November to Nov. 29 but keep December as it was, Dec. 27; I think this is recorded in the minutes, but I put it here, so you won't have to wade through the minutes to find it. Spencer On 10/23/2012 1:57 PM, Valerie D. Face wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Right now the San Jose Peace & Justice Center's calendar lists our November meeting for Thursday 11/22 (Thanksgiving) and our December meeting for Thursday 12/27 (two days after Christmas). Should we move those up a week? > > Last year we made a decision in the summer to reserve the SJP&JC for the 3rd Thursdays of November and December even though we weren't sure we would have meetings both months (with the idea that it's easier to cancel a time slot we're not going to use than to scramble at the last minute for a different date or venue). That seemed to work well. It turned out that we used both time slots. > > FYI, right now the SJP&JC's calendar lists nothing for Thursday 12/20. For Thursday 11/15 there's an event at San Jose City College and an event ("Close Encounters in the Middle East") with a request for information and no location. > > Best wishes, > Valerie > > > ~*~*~*~ > Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America > http://www.jillstein.org/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Woman is 53 But Looks 25 > Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50870520bbbee5202f0ast04vuc > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss > -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San Jos?, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/508b3da5777933da50d34st03vuc From jims at greens.org Sat Oct 27 14:06:00 2012 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:06:00 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Analysis of "Top Two" Primary Message-ID: <508C4CB8.6060408@greens.org> A version of this article is being published in the "Voice for Democracy" newsletter of Californians for Electoral Reform, due to be published any day now. I'm posting it here not just as an FYI, but to entice people to use this as a source for letters to the editor, or to the Chamber of Commerce. Silicon Valley played a prominent role in getting this ill-conceived reform passed. The Mercury News, the Leadership Group, and the SV Chamber of Commerce were major player in promoting this thing around the state. As I say in the opening paragraph, "the proponents of Top Two have some explaining to do." So far the proponents have been totally silent on the poor performance of their brain-child reform. Will GPSCC be the ones who call them out on their failures? Jim ==================================================================== TOP TWO FAILS PROMISES by Jim Stauffer October 2012 California implemented a "Top Two" non-partisan election method starting with the June 2012 primary election. The outcome of this experiment is now available in the election results... and the proponents of Top Two have some explaining to do, since nothing they predicted appears to have materialized. To be fair, California also implemented a new redistricting scheme so it can be hard to tell which reform caused (or didn?t cause) the election results to come out as they did. The Secretary of State?s "Statement of Vote" was the main source for this article. Below is election data parsed into meaningful categories. This analysis used data from the Congressional (CD), Assembly (AD), and State Senate districts (SD). There were 153 contests consisting of 53 CD, 80 AD, and 20 SD. Within these districts there were (using the Secretary of State?s abbreviations for the political parties, where NPP means "no party preference"): * 41 districts with only one DEM and one REP candidate. No NPP or minor party candidate made it into the top two finishes. Contrary to the expectations of Top Two proponents, these districts offered less choice to voters. * 22 districts with only one major party running candidates. Again, this does not provide more voter choice. However, this means an NPP or minor party had a better chance of making it into the top two finishers, which happened in eight districts. Not entering candidates in more of these contests may be a missed opportunity for NPP and minor party candidates. But, then, they would be gaining ballot access only due to the good grace of one major party not running a candidate, which sounds like democracy by unintended consequences. * 34 districts where the dominant major party ran multiple candidates and the lower major party ran only one. In most of these contests the lone, lower party candidate was among the top two finishers. Given the number of districts in which this occurred, it was obviously a planned strategy to ensure the lower party's presence in the general election. No NPP or minor party candidate made the cut in these districts. For the NPP and minor party candidates, there were eight districts where they were among the top two finishers: five were NPP candidates and three were P&F write-ins. Four of the eight districts had only two candidates on the ballot: one DEM and one NPP or minor party. Three of the districts had two candidates from the same major party and the NPP candidate bested one of them. One district (CD 33) had an NPP candidate among the top two finishers competing against 4 DEM, 1 REP, 1 GRN, and 1 LIB. The main claim of Top Two proponents is that the system will elect more moderate candidates. This was to be accomplished by increased turnout due to more voter choices via the non-partisan nature allowing voters to vote for any candidate. And cross-over voting between the major party registrants was suppose to result in some REPs voting for DEM candidates, and visa-versa. None of this appears to have been realized. Over the past eight Presidential primary elections (1980 - 2008) we averaged 51% turnout, ranging from 42% to 63%. The 2012 primary election drew only 31% turnout, the lowest in California?s history. In regards to non-partisan voting, there is nothing in the above statistics that implies there was less voting along party lines. Indeed, FairVote.com reports that the major parties endorsed 212 candidates in Top Two races and 200 of them won. Furthermore, every incumbent running in the primary won. There is no election data test to determine if more moderate candidates were elected. The test is to see how those elected in November conduct themselves when in office. But low turnout elections usually consist of the more impassioned voters, not moderates. Top Two proponents also claimed this would give more opportunity for minor parties. But, out of the 153 contests examined, only 19 had a minor party candidate. Only three of those candidates are advancing to the general election, and those were three last minute write-ins in districts with only one candidate on the ballot. The NPP candidates did a little better with presence in 31 contests, advancing to the general election in five districts. If anything, Top Two has brought us a more exclusively partisan election with a dearth of NPP and minor party candidates in the general election. There are real problems with the two-round partisan elections we used to have, but Top Two doesn?t address them. Vote-splitting and turnout difference between primary and general elections are two such major problems. Limiting voters to one choice among a broader field of candidates only amplifies the vote-splitting problem. For example, there were two predominately DEM districts where the multiple DEM candidates split the votes enough to allow a REP to win a slot in the contest. There are many more districts that were just a few points away from that outcome, also. CD 31 is the worst example. At 41% DEM / 35% REP, the four DEMs split the vote so badly that the two REPs became the top two finishers. Moderate voters come out for the general election, not so much for the primary. History shows that the general election typically has twice the turnout of the primary. Those motivated to vote in the primary election tend to be more strident in their positions. Top Two does nothing to address this, and it may make it worse by limiting the candidates that go to the general election. In summary, how did Top Two perform in its first use? It did horribly: low turnout, vote-splitting everywhere, deliberate strategies to beat the system are apparent, a large dearth of independent and minor party candidates, and a surprising number of districts that had only one party fielding candidates. Do you see the opportunity for Instant Runoff Voting? If you like the idea of non-partisan elections, then let?s eliminate the primary entirely for partisan races (saving more money) and move it all to the general election with its larger turnout and more moderate voters. Using IRV in the general election would eliminate the vote-splitting problem and provide real choice to voters, and it has the best chance of attaining results that reflect the voters? true desires. ? From gerrygras at earthlink.net Mon Oct 29 16:29:05 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:29:05 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: We are suing. In-Reply-To: <5085c7551c630_47e31b0e6f8205e@worker5.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <5085c7551c630_47e31b0e6f8205e@worker5.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <508F1141.1080106@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Ben Manski Subject: We are suing. Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:23:17 +0000 Size: 11660 URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 30 10:40:19 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:40:19 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: It's not about us. In-Reply-To: <508ff510ea83f_4fce1467ef8286fc@worker2.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <508ff510ea83f_4fce1467ef8286fc@worker2.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <50901103.90201@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Chris Hedges Subject: It's not about us. Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:41:04 +0000 Size: 11904 URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 30 12:35:36 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:35:36 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: FINAL WEEK: All out for Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala! In-Reply-To: <50902bd2b7049_750c1843ef0461e6@worker4.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <50902bd2b7049_750c1843ef0461e6@worker4.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <50902C08.60406@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jill Stein for President Subject: FINAL WEEK: All out for Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala! Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:34:42 +0000 Size: 13729 URL: From vdf at juno.com Tue Oct 30 17:35:30 2012 From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:35:30 GMT Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Thank you for endorsing Proposition 34! Message-ID: <20121030.173530.25586.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> FYI, here's a response I got to the endorsement form I mailed in for Prop 34 a while ago (the other endorsement forms for propositions we support were filled out online giving Spencer's contact information per his request). Valerie ~*~*~*~ Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America http://www.jillstein.org/ Please note: forwarded message attached ____________________________________________________________ OVERSTOCK iPads: $33.93 Get New Apple iPads for $33.93! Limit One Per Customer. Get One Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50907280b3eed72806ca0st03vuc -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Katherine Joseph Subject: Thank you for endorsing Proposition 34! Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:32:43 -0700 Size: 9073 URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 30 22:11:47 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:11:47 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Junior Statesman Message-ID: <5090B313.7080506@earthlink.net> I got a call a few hours ago from Junior Statesman. They were inviting us. I said we would be there. JSA Fall State Convention will be held on November 17th from 2:00pm-5:00pm at the Santa Clara Marriott. Please let me know if we can't do it. Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Tue Oct 30 22:13:15 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:13:15 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Jill and Cheri are on the front lines of the climate storm In-Reply-To: <50909331e5b44_371717a66f030188@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <50909331e5b44_371717a66f030188@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <5090B36B.6060901@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Ben Manski Subject: Jill and Cheri are on the front lines of the climate storm Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 02:55:45 +0000 Size: 11150 URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Tue Oct 30 22:16:49 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:16:49 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Junior Statesman In-Reply-To: <5090B313.7080506@earthlink.net> References: <5090B313.7080506@earthlink.net> Message-ID: The Junior Statesman is great fun. All these young folks full of idealism, open-mindedness, and bogus preconceptions we can gently inspire them to question. A must-do! Brian > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:11:47 -0700 > From: gerrygras at earthlink.net > To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Junior Statesman > > > I got a call a few hours ago from Junior Statesman. > They were inviting us. I said we would be there. > > JSA Fall State Convention will be held on November 17th > from 2:00pm-5:00pm at the Santa Clara Marriott. > > Please let me know if we can't do it. > > Gerry > _______________________________________________ > sosfbay-discuss mailing list > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 08:41:59 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:41:59 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Time is running out. In-Reply-To: <50914650df00a_41ee17a66f030125@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <50914650df00a_41ee17a66f030125@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <509146C7.40406@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jill Stein Subject: Time is running out. Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:40:00 +0000 Size: 10967 URL: From snug.bug at hotmail.com Wed Oct 31 10:02:36 2012 From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:02:36 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Time is running out--XL Pipeline. In-Reply-To: <509146C7.40406@earthlink.net> References: <50914650df00a_41ee17a66f030125@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail>, <509146C7.40406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Darryl Hannah spoke briefly at the Aquarius Theater 2 weeks ago about the XL at the screening of "Greedy Lying Bastards". She raised some points I didn't know: 1) In 12 months the pipeline has already had 12 spills. The pipeline passes over two natural water reservoirs--one in the north and one in Texas--that would be very vulnerable to contamination in case of a spill. I believe she said these reservoirs were fossil water so that if they were contaminated it would be forever. There is no natural regeneration process of natural cleansing in these reservoirs. 2) The transmission mechanism is very inefficient. The oil must be heated and kept hot (150 F I believe) to permit pumping. 3) The pipeline is not about delivering the oil to the USA. It goes all the way to the Gulf of Mexico, and it's about delivering the oil to the global market at the global price. I first learned of the Canadian tar sands in 2005 when Michael Ruppert spoke in Eugene, OR. (Had I taken his advice to buy gold at 450--it's now at 1700--my financial status would have been much improved.) Ruppert said that the Chinese were then investing billions in a pipeline to bring the tar oil to market. I would assume this pipeline was routed to a Pacific terminal rather than a Gulf terminal, and so I wonder what happened to the Chinese pipeline and if the whole XL project was as much about denying tar oil access to the Chinese as anything else. Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:41:59 -0700 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Time is running out. --Forwarded Message Attachment-- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:40:00 +0000 From: HQ at JillStein.org To: santaclara at cagreens.org Subject: Time is running out. Dear Friend, After two days of travel, I?ve finally joined the Tar Sands Blockade in Texas fighting the Keystone XL. This pipeline joins Hurricane Sandy as another tragic example of the establishment?s refusal to address climate change. With only 5 days until the election, we need all hands on deck to stand up for ourselves and our environment. Time is running out -- can you pitch in today? NASA?s leading climate scientist, Dr. James Hansen has called Keystone XL ?a fuse to the largest carbon bomb on the planet.? Hansen has said that if all the carbon stored in the Canadian tar sands is released into the atmosphere it would mean ?game over? for the planet. Anything you can give makes a difference. Together we win real democracy and save our planet. Activists are on the ground across the country organizing in local communities and building the demand for the Green New Deal. But we must have the resources to keep up. Please dig deep. Every dollar will increase our impact. 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URL: From fredlois2 at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 15:03:22 2012 From: fredlois2 at gmail.com (fred Duperrault) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:03:22 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Signs Campaign Message-ID: Dear GPSCC members. I have on my deck two score or more U shaped wires for placing political campaign signs on lawns and public spaces. Having no more room in our modest condo storage space, I'm inviting GP members to consider housing them for use in future elections. Or: Where can I recycle about 30 pounds of metal "U" wires??? (I'll try the M.V. Recycling Center if I can't find a keeper of U wires.) I guess we may need more U "wired" elections. ( That's not corrupt.) Getting a bit goofy with age, Fred Duperrault of Mountain View From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 22:16:54 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] cagreens.org down: How to fix? In-Reply-To: <5086FC37.5050601@truffula.sj.ca.us> Message-ID: <1351315014.74448.YahooMailClassic@web111104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The web site was up but I got mailer deamon delivery failure notices sent back 24-48 hours after attempting to send e-mail to the GP chat e-mail.? That was 2-3 days ago. ? John Thielking --- On Tue, 10/23/12, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote: From: Cameron L. Spitzer Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] cagreens.org down: How to fix? To: "Mike Feinstein" Cc: "Marnie Glickman" , "California Green Party Test Site" , "Jim Doyle" , "Tim Laidman" , "GPSCC" , "valerie face" , "Sam Kovnat" , "Spencer Graves" Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 1:21 PM it was up when I looked a few minutes ago. It's up now.? files.cagreens.org/sclara too. Wangari's uptime is 117 days. Certain IP addresses are worth knowing.? There has been a public name server at 4.2.2.1 since Pacific Telesys days.? Also Google offers one at 8.8.8.8. Ping those to see if your network connection is up. On 10/23/2012 12:40 PM, Mike Feinstein wrote: > Dear Spencer, all > > In the future, the place to send this request is it-help at cagreens.org, although of course if cagreens.org isn't working, then its possible that email won't go through either. > > I've directly contacted Thomas Leavitt, who addresses these issues for us and he is looking into it.? Cameron does not currently manage the web site, Thomas does. > > Mike > > On Oct 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Spencer Graves wrote: > >> Hello, All: >> >> >>? ? ? "cagreens.org" has been down for a couple of days.? The last email I got from a California Green email list is stamped 10/21/2012 7:53 PM.? I tried to access the web site several times yesterday without success. >> >> >>? ? ? What needs to happen to get it back up again? >> >> >>? ? ? Thanks, >>? ? ? Spencer >> >> >> p.s.? I sent an email that should have reached Cameron, but I have not yet received a reply.? My attempts to reach others have failed, because they require cagreens.org for distribution. _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 15:47:42 2012 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:47:42 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Urgent: Jill Stein arrested In-Reply-To: <50916b8ce37bf_6d5417a66f03010@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> References: <50916b8ce37bf_6d5417a66f03010@worker1.nbuild.3dna.managedmachine.com.mail> Message-ID: <5091AA8E.1030806@earthlink.net> An embedded message was scrubbed... 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From: Ben Manski Subject: Our legal fight Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:13:54 +0000 Size: 12973 URL: From perrysandy at aol.com Wed Oct 31 19:26:56 2012 From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Election Tabling at De Anza College Message-ID: <8CF85EF7E585E5D-9D4-6051C@webmail-d162.sysops.aol.com> Hi Everyone, With help from Professor Bob Stockwell, Caroline and I secured permission to have a Green Party table at the student union at De Anza College from 11 am to 1 pm today, Friday, and Monday before the election. We are having a good time and our message is generally well-received. Today about 10 people signed up who say they are interested in building a Green Party club on campus. We were helped out by a great first page article on Cheri Honkala's visit to campus last week in the student newspaper La Voz. Anyone who wants to join the fun is welcome to help out on Friday and/or Monday. 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John Thielking --- On Wed, 10/31/12, Gerry Gras wrote: From: Gerry Gras Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Urgent: Jill Stein arrested To: "GPSCC" Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 3:47 PM -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pagesincolor at yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 21:49:21 2012 From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Election Tabling at De Anza College In-Reply-To: <8CF85EF7E585E5D-9D4-6051C@webmail-d162.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1351745361.98244.YahooMailClassic@web111106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I can be there on Friday and Monday with my latest www.peacemovies.com fliers.? Does this mean that Caroline will be able to be at the Peace Center to deliver and retrieve the tabling supplies on Friday? ? John Thielking --- On Wed, 10/31/12, perrysandy at aol.com wrote: From: perrysandy at aol.com Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Election Tabling at De Anza College To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 7:26 PM Hi Everyone, With help from Professor Bob Stockwell, Caroline and I secured permission to have a Green Party table at the student union at De Anza College from 11 am to 1 pm today, Friday, and Monday before the election. We are having a good time and our message is generally well-received. Today about 10 people signed up who say they are interested in building a Green Party club on campus. We were helped out by a great first page article on Cheri Honkala's visit to campus last week?in the student newspaper La Voz. Anyone who wants to join the fun is welcome to help out on Friday and/or Monday. Call me or Caroline or just show up! 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