[GPSCC-chat] Fw: GPSCC Meeting minutes -- 7PM Thursday, Jan 24, 2013
Caroline Yacoub
carolineyacoub at att.net
Fri Jan 25 19:01:09 PST 2013
I like the way this is going --not painting people or groups with broad brushes,
but identifying points where we can agree to disagree and looking for ways to
work together. Just what I had in mind when I brought up the LA Greens inviting
Peace and Freedom people to their meeting. Who said we need a Vibes Watcher?
Caroline
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Hi Everyone,
I have two cents to add to this discussion.
1) I think everyone, including Pete himself, would admit that his outburst was
not constructive and did not help him win friends and influence people. To tell
the truth, I can't remember exactly what he said or who he insulted, but I
definitely remember it was not pretty.
2) I believe we were absolutely right to refuse to sponsor a debate between Pete
and Sharat. I have been asked to work with a committee to help formulate plans
for campaigns to build the Green Party, and IMHO hosting debates between
different trends in the left or in the peace movement is definitely not the best
way to bring in the masses.
3) I strongly object to labeling any group a "communist front group". This was a
term developed by J. Edgar Hoover to discredit a whole generation of courageous
Americans who fought for social justice in the 1930s, 40s, and 50s, led to the
ugly purges of Hollywood and the AFL-CIO, and crippled progressive politics in
America for eighty years. Red-baiting has a nasty way of being turned around and
used against us. Besides, I (and many of San Jose's best activists that I know)
are very rose-colored ourselves, so I don't think this is a good road to go
down.
4) I am not a member of ANSWER and do not agree with some of their positions
(although I am not well-versed in them all). I have worked with John Bretton in
the Hyatt boycott support work and have found him to be cordial, hard-working,
and cooperative. If we have disagreements with a group I believe we should just
leave it at that, agree to disagree, work together where possible and go our
separate ways where not.
Peace!
Sandy
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Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: GPSCC Meeting minutes -- 7PM Thursday, Jan 24, 2013
Yes I never actually made a real proposal about the "no brainer" event
endorsements, etc. -- I merely raised the question and so no of course I didn't
reply to the conversation that followed.
Also:
1) Note that at no point did anyone suggest we attempt to "raid" the Peace and
Freedom Party member and at no point did anyone suggest we try to recruit them
to the Green Party. People we're only talking about inviting them to
participate as allies.
2) I'm not sure anyone said that Pete was disrespectful of other's points of
view, so I'm not sure where you (John) are getting that.
However the problem I believe was that Pete's outburst where he implied that
(newly joined Green Party member) Dr. Sharat Lin was an "imperialist" came
across to many witnesses as being entirely unreasonable, illogical, without
evidence, disruptive and entirely without merit.. That is not a way to win
friends and influence people -- or frankly to demonstrate
emotional safeness to be participating as a guest at Green Party events. I
don't think any of the rest of us Greens (besides maybe you John) had any doubt
about Dr. Lin's credibility since
after all he has a very long track record that many of us have observed, whereas
we are unfamiliar with Pete. In my opinion it was Pete that undermined his
welcome by his loss of temper.
And to the point that the communist party front group (that hides their
affiliation) A.N.S.W.E.R. asserts that we should not criticize Iran -- who is
A.N.S.W.E.R. anyway and why should anyone take such a rigid and doctrinaire
tack. That's not much
different from progressive Dems who say we should not criticize President Obama
because he's so much better than the Repuglicans. Sorry I don't by the idea
that any government is above
criticism.
Green is GO!
Drew
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From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>To: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] GPSCC Meeting minutes -- 7PM Thursday, Jan 24, 2013
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>A few clarifications:
>
>When Drew proposed the County Council decision mechanism where if no one objects
>to a sponsorship proposal, it passes, both John and Spencer objected to that.
>Spencer objected generally and John objected specifically citing how the default
>decision making process was already attempted for the planning of the
>Iran-Syria talk and failed miserably.
>It was my understanding that the proposal WAS DROPPED after that discussion and
>is not now in force. Drew and others were tasked with making more specific
>proposals regarding how to make the meetings better? I'm not sure.
>
>Post meeting discussions with Peace and Freedom Party member Pete O'Reilly
>yielded the following points and suggestions re: plans to "work with" the Peace
>and Freedom Party:
>
>
>1) It is not good politics to raid the list of Peace and Freedom Party members
>and attempt to recruit them to join the Green Party.
>
>2) Pete is well aware of opposing points of view and while he did raise his
>voice in a way that may only end up breeding contempt from people who don't
>share his point of view, he at no point sought to exclude Sharat Lin from the
>Iran-Syria talk. So to say that he is disrespectful of other's points of view
>is accurate only from the point of having his voice raised and not from the
>words that came out of his mouth. You should take a step back and try to
>percieve the difference. Pete has heard Sharat Lin speak many times on many
>topics, but Sharat Lin has not heard Pete speak on anything yet. Pete would
>like it better to have a debate with Sharat and Answer about Iran and Syria that
>is a serious debate, as was promissed awhile ago (before John and Drew's most
>recent attempt at organizing an event).
>
>John Thielking
>
>--- On Thu, 1/24/13, Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com> wrote:
>
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>>From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>>Subject: GPSCC Meeting minutes -- 7PM Thursday, Jan 24, 2013
>>To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>>Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>Date: Thursday, January 24, 2013, 9:19 PM
>>
>>
>>On 1/24/2013 9:10 AM, John Thielking wrote:
>>
>>This is now the final agenda. I will print copies to bring to the meeting.
>>John Thielking --- On Wed, 1/23/13, John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>>wrote: From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com> Subject: [GPSCC-chat]
>>Draft Agenda For The GPSCC Meeting 7PM Thursday, Jan 24, 2013 To:
>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 6:24 PM
>>Draft Agenda for Thursday, January 24, 2013 Green Party of Santa Clara County
>>GA meeting to be held at San Jose Peace Center 48 S 7th St, San Jose, CA. Final
>>Agenda will be published at 9AM Thursday. 7:00PM -7:30PM Arrive, socialize.
>>Guest speaker Brian Good on: A. developing new technologies. 1. Many years
>>I have been unhappy that there has been no high-tech reinvention of a Commodore
>>64, Texas Instruments 99, Radio Shack TRS-80, or Atari 800 that could plug into
>>our TVs. 2. For many years I have wanted a belt-pack flash-drive video
>>recorder so I can plug my flaky old mini-DV video cameras into a tapeless
>>recorder. 3. Smart phone tech is bringing us a computing reinvention without
>>Windows, without Apple, without Intel or AMD. It runs Linux, it's thumb-drive or
>>credit card sized, it's cheap, and it's here. Google A10, A31, Raspberry Pi.
>>B. third-generation California Disclose Act, SB52. Democrats hold 2/3 majorities
>>in both Assembly and Senate so this year is likely to be the year we win. So
>>join us! 7:30 Meeting begins. Identify facilitator: Jim Doyle
>>
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>
>note taker: Spencer
time keeper: John Thielking
vibes watcher: self monitoring
and agenda preparer: Caroline
for next meeting. 7:35 Introductions and announcements. Changes to agenda.
Caroline,
Drew: Working on
Brian Good, Jim Doyle, John Thielking,
Spencer Graves:
Paul Rea, Newark: Works with Sharat on a film series: How to contact Greens
near Newark? **** (Drew can help make contact with other Greens in Alameda
County) (tri city area: Newark, Union City, Fremont).
Ed Campbell. Lives in Willow Glen, retired chiropractor, coach basketball.
Feb. 9: Bowling for Columbine in Newark.
7:50 treasurer's report.
$1,686.38 + $55 from November minus $50 to Secretary of State
Jim Doyle. Hat passing.
* Propose that we invite the Jill Stein team to put on a Green Campaign School
in our area. Jim Doyle, Caroline
*** Caroline to contact Jill Stein's team to get info about cost, etc.,
and post to the discussion list. After we get the cost, we need to make a
decision on whether, when, where.
Wellstone Foundation: Feb. 8-9 (Friday noon to Saturday
"Camp Wellstone" at Sequoia Retreat Center
$30 - $100 (sliding scale) plus DeAnza tuition (2 credit units at DeAnza?) Drew
will attend.
How to facilitate a group? Strategy for approaching a community? See Drew's
email on this on the discussion list
7:55 Report back on events that happened since the last meeting. Anti SS cuts
protest in front of Lofgren's office, etc. 8:00 invited speakers,
criteria for. Sandy Perry, Jim Doyle
Currently, we have no criteria.
Sandy: Invite speakers related to on-going campaigns.
Campaigns: Single Payer (Sandy, Caroline), DeAnza (Sandy, Drew),
How does CA Single Payer differ from "Health Care for All"? Campaign for a
Healthy California is a coalition driven by nurses. Health Care for All is
their own organization, initiated in the 1990s. Their drawback is mostly all
white, ... .
Caroline: We also need "climate" and 350.org.
Caroline, Sandy, Brian Jim, Spencer to form a committee to select topics
for major campaigns: phone conference? Sandy has free conference calling.
Sandy to send email with suggested times.
8:10 organised ongoing campaigns Jim Doyle, Sandy Perry 8:20 udel -
unincorporated district elections e.g., school, water, and fire districts Jim
Doyle
Jim will bring the list of elections to the next elections.
Unincorporated districts come up in odd years.
8:30 web site improvements Jim Doyle
Drew has already studied CiviCRM by Campaign Foundations, built on
Drupal:
Also need training on CMS (Content Management System) Drupal(?)
8:35 making meetings interesting, efficient, and enjoyable Jim Doyle, Drew
Johnson
Starting to invite speakers. Good.
We operate too much as a committee as a whole. We would be better, Drew
believes, if we came together, broke into committees, and then came back
together.
Sponsorship of events should be delegated to the County Council.
We could use Google Hangout to make our meetings virtual, so people can
attend without traveling.
The exercise should be fun, energizing and productive.
Drew to propose more material and send to the email list and report a
summary at the next meeting.
For sponsorship, Drew suggests it gets posted and it passes if no one
objects.
8:50 establishing a social media committee Jim Doyle 8:55 recruiting with
emphasis on females Jim Doyle
Betsy Wolf-Graves is now on the County Council.
9:00 Obtaining other people for the County Council and to represent Santa Clara
County on the statewide Standing General Assembly. Santa Clara County is
allowed 5 representatives on the statewide Standing General Assembly. We
currently have only 3. John Thielking is currently not on that list; we should
put him on. That would bring us to 4, consisting entirely of our current County
Council. Drew noted that our County Council is currently all male. Number 7
of the 10 key values of the Green Party is "Feminism and Gender Equity"
(www.gp.org/tenkey.php). We could use some females.
John Thielking and Betsy Wolf-Graves will be added to the "sga".
* Endorse California Disclose Act (Brian), SB52. Approved. Brian to provide us
with the info on what we have to do to get listed as an official endorser.
9:05 PROPOSED: The Green Party of Santa Clara County will endorse the
presentation of the movie "Enemy Alien" at the Peace Center, Saturday evening,
March 23. Spencer DISCUSSION: "Enemy Alien" is a documentary describing the
persecution of a Palestinian-American, Farouk Abdel-Muhti, essentially for being
Palestinian and refusing to remain silent. The film was produced by a Japanese
American, Konrad Aderer, whose parents had spent World War II in a concentration
camp in the US (www.lifeorliberty.org/enemy-alien). The South Bay Committee
Against Political Repression is organizing a presentation of this movie to be
followed by a panel discussion featuring a Japanese-American and an
Arab-American. 9:10 Proposal to invite Peace and Freedom people to
participate in our meetings and events. Caroline
Add to discussion of "on-going campaigns".
9:15 There is also a Latino activity going on on Friday that I will send you
details of so it can go on the agenda as well. Caroline 9:20 propose a doing
a cost benefit analysis of how we can make use of a new voters list. Jim Doyle
Endorse: Dalit Baum presentation, Feb. 15.
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