From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed May  1 11:47:14 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 11:47:14 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Should US get involved in Syria?
Message-ID: <51816332.2000607@earthlink.net>


Recent poll says 62% say no to intervention,
24% say yes.

"Phyllis Bennis, a fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies, says that 
a growing push for war in Syria should remind US citizens of the 
invasion of Iraq in 2003, which was was largely fueled by an uncritical 
press and a barrage of false information by some of the same power 
brokers now pushing for intervention in Syria."

"Americans Overwhelmingly Say 'No' to US Military Intervention in Syria"
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/01-7

Gerry


From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Wed May  1 12:58:40 2013
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 12:58:40 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Should US get involved in Syria?
In-Reply-To: <51816332.2000607@earthlink.net>
References: <51816332.2000607@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY165-W424355A77F1730CA6C8ED9EBC0@phx.gbl>

Just as it happened in the case of Iraq, by allowing the issue to be framed as Should We or
Shouldn't We? or as Did They Use Sarin or Not? (with our intervention assumed if they did)
we starting the discussion having already yielded on the most important issue:  The USA has
no legal right to wage war on countries that are not threatening us militarily

It is the United Nations' job to determine if humanitarian interests justify sending troops.
The USA has no legal right to do so on its own.

This principle was trashed when Bush and Blair invaded Afghanistan, ostensibly in a search
posse to capture Osama bin Laden, but soon revealing their agenda to overthrow the 
Afghan government.  According to Noam  Chomsky, at the time of the invasion the USA had
no evidence that Osama had done 9/11, and the mission creep to overthrow the government 
was "totally illegal" (here's a five-minute video).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mprzq1mA9Jk&list=UUCU5Ac7Vd7cqPk074nnKSTw&index=7

I don't remember any criticism of the Afghan invasion at the time, probably because the Taliban  
government was despised around the world, but the law is supposed to protect the despised 
as well as the respected.

Invasion of Syria, even for the best of reasons (yeah, right) would be illegal.  It should not even
be discussed as an option.



 

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> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 11:47:14 -0700
> From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Should US get involved in Syria?
> 
> 
> Recent poll says 62% say no to intervention,
> 24% say yes.
> 
> "Phyllis Bennis, a fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies, says that 
> a growing push for war in Syria should remind US citizens of the 
> invasion of Iraq in 2003, which was was largely fueled by an uncritical 
> press and a barrage of false information by some of the same power 
> brokers now pushing for intervention in Syria."
> 
> "Americans Overwhelmingly Say 'No' to US Military Intervention in Syria"
> http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/01-7
> 
> Gerry
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed May  1 15:48:03 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 15:48:03 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: You can help spread the power
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From vdf at juno.com  Wed May  1 21:16:41 2013
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 04:16:41 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GPCA Field Organizer position
Message-ID: <20130501.211641.22835.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

Hi folks,

The Green Party of California is looking for an independent contractor part time Field Organizer again.  They had hired someone, but that person decided to decline the role, so the application and interview process is starting over.  Previous candidates may re-apply if they're still interested.

The job announcement is here:
http://www.cagreens.org/workingroups/grassroots-organizing/field-organizer-job-announce-dec-2012

Best wishes,
Valerie


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From perrysandy at aol.com  Wed May  1 21:51:01 2013
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 00:51:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Officer of Peace
Message-ID: <8D01507C7AEF5BB-3A0-1E41E@webmail-vd020.sysops.aol.com>



As your Green Shadow Cabinet Secretary of Housing, I definitely APPROVE THIS MESSAGE from GP Vice Presidential candidate (and former GP candidate for Sheriff of Philadelphia) Cheri Honkala. This is a must see.
 
 
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From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Wed May  1 23:12:38 2013
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 23:12:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Should the Ampire invade Syria?
In-Reply-To: <BAY165-W424355A77F1730CA6C8ED9EBC0@phx.gbl>
References: <51816332.2000607@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <1367475158.21087.YahooMailNeo@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Well stated Brian.? We've given ourselves a pass on committing nondefensive "Wars of Aggression" which under international law and the Nuremberg Principles (used to prosecute Nazi war criminals after WWII) is a "Crime against Peace" and is MORE SERIOUS than run of the mill "War Crimes" or even "Genocide"!!!? Crimes?against Peace aremost serious level of international crime!!!!? And under usurper to the presidency Bush and President Obama there is no discussion as to whether we (the Empire of Amerikkka or Ameripire or simply Ampire) should refrain from this most serious international crime.? I was happy to hear? David Cobb, Lawrence Lessig and the other speakers at the Rootstrikers Conference freely acknowledge that there is no fig leaf of democracy left in the United Corporations of Ampire

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>________________________________
> From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
>To: gerry gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>; "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 12:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Should US get involved in Syria?
> 
>
>
> 
>Just as it happened in the case of Iraq, by allowing the issue to be framed as Should We or
>Shouldn't We? or as Did They Use Sarin or Not? (with our intervention assumed if they did)
>we starting the discussion having already yielded on the most important issue:? The USA has
>no legal right to wage war on countries that are not threatening us militarily
>
>It is the United Nations' job to determine if humanitarian interests justify sending troops.
>The USA has no legal right to do so on its own.
>
>This principle was trashed when Bush and Blair invaded Afghanistan, ostensibly in a search
>posse to capture Osama bin Laden, but soon revealing their agenda to overthrow the 
>Afghan government.? According to Noam? Chomsky, at the time of the invasion the USA had
>no evidence that Osama had done 9/11, and the mission creep to overthrow the government 
>was "totally illegal" (here's a five-minute video).
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mprzq1mA9Jk&list=UUCU5Ac7Vd7cqPk074nnKSTw&index=7
>
>I don't remember any criticism of the Afghan invasion at the time, probably because the Taliban? 
>government was despised around the world, but the law is supposed to protect the despised 
>as well as the respected.
>
>Invasion of Syria, even for the best of reasons (yeah, right) would be illegal.? It should not even
>be discussed as an option.
>
>
>
>?
>
>.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 11:47:14 -0700
>> From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
>> To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Should US get involved in Syria?
>> 
>> 
>> Recent poll says 62% say no to intervention,
>> 24% say yes.
>> 
>> "Phyllis Bennis, a fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies, says that 
>> a growing push for war in Syria should remind US citizens of the 
>> invasion of Iraq in 2003, which was was largely fueled by an uncritical 
>> press and a barrage of false information by some of the same power 
>> brokers now pushing for intervention in Syria."
>> 
>> "Americans Overwhelmingly Say 'No' to US Military Intervention in Syria"
>> http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/01-7
>> 
>> Gerry
>> _______________________________________________
>> sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>> sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>> http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu May  2 08:37:36 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 08:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Q&A: Climate Action in the Courts
Message-ID: <1367509056.81698.YahooMailClassic@web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Thu, 5/2/13, Heather Shelby, Environmental Defense Fund <takeaction at edf.org> wrote:


From: Heather Shelby, Environmental Defense Fund <takeaction at edf.org>
Subject: Q&A: Climate Action in the Courts
To: carolineyacoub at att.net
Date: Thursday, May 2, 2013, 4:00 AM





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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu May  2 12:10:46 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 12:10:46 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Time for Big Green to Go Fossil Free"
In-Reply-To: <5182B80F.20108@earthlink.net>
References: <5182B80F.20108@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5182BA36.3070307@earthlink.net>


FYI,

an article by Naomi Klein about how some environmental
organizations need to divest from fossil fuels.

"Time for Big Green to Go Fossil Free"
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/05/02-6
http://www.thenation.com/article/174143/time-big-green-go-fossil-free

Some points:
- the divestment movement is "on a serious roll",
   305 campuses, >100 cities and states,
   Canada, Australia, the Netherlands, Britain
- "serious pent-up demand"

- environmental orgs left out on the assumption that
   [they don't have money invested in fossil fuels]
- turns out the assumption is false in some cases
- some orgs that do NOT have endowments, don't invest
   in stock market:
   Greenpeace, 350.org, Friends of the Earth, Rainforest
   Action Network
- many green orgs DO have sizable investments, and
   probably have some money in fossil fuels

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu May  2 12:38:39 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 12:38:39 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] TBTF story
Message-ID: <5182C0BF.9030608@earthlink.net>


(If you read only one of these make it the Taibbi article.)

An interesting and sometimes funny story about
new TBTF legislation:

"Why Are Banks "Freaking" Over Too-Big-To-Fail Legislation?"
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/02-9

this article several times refers to a Matt Taibbi article:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/too-big-to-fail-takes-another-body-blow-20130501

Gerry


From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Thu May  2 12:51:50 2013
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 12:51:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Time for Big Green to Go Fossil Free"
In-Reply-To: <5182BA36.3070307@earthlink.net>
References: <5182B80F.20108@earthlink.net> <5182BA36.3070307@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1367524310.79584.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Gerry, that gives me an idea: for our local activism on climate disruption we've committed ourselves to (along with universal / single payer health care) we could use pushing local organizations such as governments to divest!

Green is GO!

Drew

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~*~*~*~
Jill Stein for President -- A Green New Deal for America
Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ?  First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd




>________________________________
> From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
>To: GPSCC <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 12:10 PM
>Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Time for Big Green to Go Fossil Free"
> 
>
>
>FYI,
>
>an article by Naomi Klein about how some environmental
>organizations need to divest from fossil fuels.
>
>"Time for Big Green to Go Fossil Free"
>http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/05/02-6
>http://www.thenation.com/article/174143/time-big-green-go-fossil-free
>
>Some points:
>- the divestment movement is "on a serious roll",
>?  305 campuses, >100 cities and states,
>?  Canada, Australia, the Netherlands, Britain
>- "serious pent-up demand"
>
>- environmental orgs left out on the assumption that
>?  [they don't have money invested in fossil fuels]
>- turns out the assumption is false in some cases
>- some orgs that do NOT have endowments, don't invest
>?  in stock market:
>?  Greenpeace, 350.org, Friends of the Earth, Rainforest
>?  Action Network
>- many green orgs DO have sizable investments, and
>?  probably have some money in fossil fuels
>
>Gerry
>
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May  2 19:49:03 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 19:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Announcement: Peacemovies 2011 and 2012 booklets are
	now ready
In-Reply-To: <5182C0BF.9030608@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1367549343.84138.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>



Announcement: The Peacemovies.com 2011 and 2012 booklets are ready to be printed and shipped. They each contain over 170 reviews of relatively nonviolent movies. They cost $7 each, plus $3 for shipping and handling for any quantity. The paper and ink Peacemovies.com newsletter can also be delivered to your home by the 7th of each month by first class mail for $27 per year. All items are printed on 90% recycled post consumer waste paper. To order, please visit http://www.peacemovies.com/store or call 1-408-914-2751. Peacemovies.com is serving only US customers for now.
I'm thinking of allowing the Santa Clara County Green Party to sell my booklets at their tabling events. I would loan the booklets for free and then request that the GP pay me $3.50 for every booklet sold for $7.? I would pay the sales tax on the $7 out of my $3.50 share of the sales price and on my resale permit.? Does this require County Council approval? If so, I'm asking now.?Or since our County Council is currently "illegal" maybe we should wait until the next GA meeting??Thanks.
John Thielking
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Fri May  3 07:18:34 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 07:18:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Please vote on the question of should Edison keep San
	Onofre Nuke plant shut down.
Message-ID: <1367590714.74997.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

It is critical that Green voices are heard on this issue at the following link. According to Mothers For Peace the link got sent to a large number of pro nuclear power supporters, that's why the poll results are skewed the way they are right now.
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John Thielking
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http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/apr/30/nuke-plant-future-uncertain/
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From eric at philosopherswheel.com  Fri May  3 10:28:47 2013
From: eric at philosopherswheel.com (Eric Meece)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 10:28:47 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Please vote on the question of should Edison keep
 San Onofre Nuke plant shut down.
In-Reply-To: <1367590714.74997.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1367590714.74997.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5183F3CF.4090809@philosopherswheel.com>

Should we post this on facebook?

On 5/3/2013 7:18 AM, John Thielking wrote:
> It is critical that Green voices are heard on this issue at the 
> following link. According to Mothers For Peace the link got sent to a 
> large number of pro nuclear power supporters, that's why the poll 
> results are skewed the way they are right now.
> John Thielking
> http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/apr/30/nuke-plant-future-uncertain/
>
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Fri May  3 12:01:07 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 12:01:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Please vote on the question of should Edison keep
	San Onofre Nuke plant shut down.
In-Reply-To: <5183F3CF.4090809@philosopherswheel.com>
Message-ID: <1367607667.32860.YahooMailClassic@web122904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Facebook is where I got this from. I also shared it there too.
?
John Thielking

--- On Fri, 5/3/13, Eric Meece <eric at philosopherswheel.com> wrote:


From: Eric Meece <eric at philosopherswheel.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Please vote on the question of should Edison keep San Onofre Nuke plant shut down.
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Friday, May 3, 2013, 10:28 AM




Should we post this on facebook?

On 5/3/2013 7:18 AM, John Thielking wrote:






It is critical that Green voices are heard on this issue at the following link. According to Mothers For Peace the link got sent to a large number of pro nuclear power supporters, that's why the poll results are skewed the way they are right now.
?
John Thielking
?
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/apr/30/nuke-plant-future-uncertain/
?
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sat May  4 18:08:22 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 18:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker
Message-ID: <1367716102.1619.YahooMailClassic@web185301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I believe I have a speaker for our next meeting. 350SantaClara wants us to join a coalition fighting the KXL pipeline. Since we had Single Payer speakers at our last meeting, I think someone for climate change is good. I know we are looking to make coalitions to multiply our efforts. There will be ten days of action at the end of July, and I know it will be good for us to be a part of it. 
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From perrysandy at aol.com  Sat May  4 18:29:09 2013
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 21:29:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker
In-Reply-To: <1367716102.1619.YahooMailClassic@web185301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1367716102.1619.YahooMailClassic@web185301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D017471302CE5B-B94-38BB@webmail-d266.sysops.aol.com>


I agree, Caroline. Climate change and health care were the two issues we agreed to concentrate on.


Sandy


-----Original Message-----
From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 6:08 pm
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker




I believe I have a speaker for our next meeting. 350SantaClara wants us to join a coalition fighting the KXL pipeline. Since we had Single Payer speakers at our last meeting, I think someone for climate change is good. I know we are looking to make coalitions to multiply our efforts. There will be ten days of action at the end of July, and I know it will be good for us to be a part of it. 
 
Caroline



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From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Sat May  4 23:50:24 2013
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 23:50:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker
Message-ID: <1367736624.37503.androidMobile@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Sounds great to me.

Green is GO!

Drew

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sun May  5 16:05:53 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 16:05:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Cities in New York Just Got a Big Stick in the
	Fracking Fight
Message-ID: <1367795153.97883.YahooMailClassic@web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Sun, 5/5/13, shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu> wrote:


From: shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu>
Subject: Cities in New York Just Got a Big Stick in the Fracking Fight
To: 
Date: Sunday, May 5, 2013, 2:09 PM




Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 21:47:49 -0700
Subject: Cities in New York Just Got a Big Stick in the Fracking Fight
From: Thomas Scott Tucker <scott at tstucker.com>




Cities in New York Just Got a Big Stick in the Fracking Fight
By Adam Briggle < http://www.slate.com/authors.adam_briggle.html> 

Posted Friday, May 3, 2013

For a while, it looked like we were scraping the bottom of Earth?s barrel of fossil fuels. Then along came hydraulic fracturing (fracking) and horizontal drilling, and now some argue that we might never run out < http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/what-if-we-never-run-out-of-oil/309294/ >? of the stuff, though not everyone agrees < http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2011/12/is_there_really_100_years_worth_of_natural_gas_beneath_the_united_states_.html > . But as exploitation of oil and gas has intensified, so has opposition.

The most significant resistance is coming from the towns and cities that are becoming sacrifice zones in the wake of corporate profits and the national quest for energy independence. Local government is the one entity that might throw a wrench in the works, because they actually have some legal power. The burning question is: How much power?

For the past six weeks, a New York appellate court has been hashing this out in the case of Norse Energy Corp. v. Town of Dryden < http://earthjustice.org/sites/default/files/Dryden-Decision.pdf> . In 2011, the little town of Dryden, N.Y., banned gas drilling and was promptly sued by a multibillion dollar energy company. A year ago, Dryden won its first battle < http://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2012/2012-ny-slip-op-22037.html >? in a New York Supreme Court ruling. Just yesterday, it won the second < http://earthjustice.org/news/press/2013/fracking-ban-stands-in-new-york-town-victory-for-local-communities > . Indeed, the people of Dryden didn?t beat the industry?they pummeled it. The Appellate Court just handed New York towns and cities a very heavy stick in the jurisdictional street brawl over fracking. Norse can appeal (and my sources say they are planning on it), but because this was a unanimous decision they?ll have to first get
 the court?s permission, and that may be challenging.

Norse Energy argued that Dryden?s zoning ordinance was preempted and thus rendered invalid by the New York Oil, Gas, and Solution Mining Law (OGSML). This set up a showdown in the perennial tug-of-war < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forrest_Dillon#Dillon.27s_Rule >? between state and local governments. Cities and towns in New York have home-rule powers, which give them the authority to manage local affairs. But these powers can be preempted (overruled) by the state under certain conditions.

The central ambiguity in the case stems from the split personality of fracking < https://theconversation.com/fracking-not-in-my-back-yard-or-yours-13185 > . On one hand, it is a technical industrial operation. On the other hand, it is a local land use. State government typically regulates the former. Local government typically regulates the latter. Norse argued that Dryden was trying to do the state?s job by regulating an industrial process governed by the OGSML.

The court wasn?t swayed: The zoning ordinance doesn?t regulate the mining industry; rather, ?it simply establishes permissible and prohibited uses of land within the Town for the purpose of regulating land generally.? In other words, the ordinance is not about the oil and gas industry. It is about such traditional land use considerations as ?proximity to nonindustrial districts, compatibility with neighboring land uses, and noise and air pollution.? The best part of the ruling is a smack-down to the state?s natural lust for minerals. Just because the state has a policy of ?fostering and promoting? extractive industry does not mean cities are obligated to roll over.

So cities can ban fracking?at least in New York, where a state-wide moratorium < http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-06/new-york-assembly-approves-two-year-moratorium-on-fracking.html >? is in effect until 2015 anyway. That?s the legal side of it, and it harmonizes with the ethical side: Cities should have the ultimate say over fracking, including the right to ban it if they so choose. The vital good at stake here is local self-determination. If a well is planned near your home or your child?s school, you ought to be involved in that decision, and local government is the only political institution that will be responsive. I?ve learned that from those in Denton County, Texas, who do not have the protections afforded by the City of Denton. (I?ve been an active participant in the discussion about fracking in Denton.) In the county, they all have wells right outside their doors and behind their driveway basketball hoops, because only state laws
 apply. And according to the state, you are not a person in a place but a node on an energy network.

After Longmont, Co., outlawed natural gas production, I asked whether cities should ban fracking < http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2012/12/longmont_co_has_banned_fracking_is_that_a_good_idea.single.html > . I still think that is a complex question. But should cities have the legal authority to ban fracking? I think the answer to that is much simpler. Yes. Cities should have ultimate say, because the land use identity of fracking is more humanly significant than its industrial identity. Put it this way: A gas well ?incident? in Denton just dosed us < http://dentondrilling.blogspot.com/2013/04/eagleridge-doses-denton-with-59-lbs-of.html >? with an estimated 59 pounds of carcinogenic benzene in one shot. What?s worse is that the industry is allowed (by state law) to emit 55 pounds of benzene every day. This might be the cost of doing business?and I?m not being facetious. But given that the lungs of local residents are paying
 that cost, they ought to be the ones to decide whether it?s worth it. 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/05/03/norse_energy_corp_v_town_of_dryden_court_upholds_new_york_town_s_fracking.html?wpisrc=newsletter_jcr:content 
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun May  5 17:01:02 2013
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 17:01:02 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] health fair
Message-ID: <5186F2BE.8080801@sbcglobal.net>


Adult Health and Wellness Fair
Parks, Recreation, and Neighborhood Services (PRNS)
would like to invite you to join us in an exciting event on

Wednesday, May 15, 2013
from 9:30am to 1:00pm -

the City of San Jos?'s Active Adult Health & Wellness Fair,
"Unleash the Power of Age".

This event will be held at the San Jos? History Park and will
feature some of the following activities: senior fitness activities,
a one mile fun walk around the park, a free lunch for the first 500
people registered, door prizes, and many community agencies
representing a variety of health and wellness services or programs
throughout San Jos?.

Pre-registration is required. Free parking for this event is provided in
the dirt LOT  1 off Phelan Road.
Disabled parking is available in the paved LOT 2,  located off Senter Road.

For more information, please contact your local Senior center or call 
(408) 793-5589



From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sun May  5 21:48:14 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 21:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350 SV Chat] Re: Dream Menders Core arctic ice cap
Message-ID: <1367815694.21950.YahooMailClassic@web185306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Sun, 5/5/13, Dream Menders <dreammenders at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Dream Menders <dreammenders at gmail.com>
Subject: [350 SV Chat] Re: Dream Menders Core arctic ice cap
To: 350-silicon-valley-chat at googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 5, 2013, 9:08 PM









I assume you all heard about the emergency meeting this week at the White House. Here are some links...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/may/02/white-house-arctic-ice-death-spiral


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/30/1206036/-White-House-Meeting-on-Arctic-Media-Blackout


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/05/1206101/-We-have-been-on-a-Carbon-Binge-and-are-waking-up-to-find-ourselves-with-the-mother-of-all-hangovers


This is from RL Miller of the?California Democratic Party's environmental caucus?about the current effects on California?


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/05/1207038/-Climate-change-comes-home-in-Ventura-County


All very disheartening?but not hopeless.


peace,


Glen?
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon May  6 16:42:49 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 16:42:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: A Fierce Green Fire movie 6:30 pm showing tonight
	at Redwood City Library
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--- On Mon, 5/6/13, Brian Haberly <brianhaberly at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Brian Haberly <brianhaberly at gmail.com>
Subject: A Fierce Green Fire movie 6:30 pm showing tonight at Redwood City Library
To: "Pierre Delforge" <pedelforge at gmail.com>
Cc: "Deborah Levoy" <Deb350SV at comcast.net>, "Sue" <srosenz at comcast.net>, carolineyacoub at att.net, "Lisa Altieri" <laltieri at earthlink.net>
Date: Monday, May 6, 2013, 12:04 PM




This is late notice, but If you are free this evening and would like to get excited about the possibility of what a relatively small number of committed people acting together can accomplish, I would encourage you to come to the Sierra Club's free film showing of the acclaimed documentary film, "A Fierce Green Fire".


RSVP's requested on the Meetup.com webpage linked below.


Light meal is included beginning at 6 pm, and film will start at 6:30 pm at the Redwood City Library, second floor Community Meeting Room.


Feel free to pass the word to any friends that might be interested.


Brian Haberly
Sierra Club, Loma Prieta Chapter, Peninsula Regional Group




http://www.meetup.com/lomaprieta/events/115308082/








Monday, May 6, 2013
6:00 PM to?8:30 PMCHANGE



Redwood City Library
1044 Middlefield Road,?Redwood City,?CA



Join us for a very special viewing of thishis inspiring?documentary film on the environmental movement's evolution from the 1960s to the present!
Vividly narrated by Meryl Streep, Robert Redford, Ashley Judd, Isabel Allende and Van Jones, this sweeping history of the environmental movement, in five segments, includes rare, archival footage documenting the struggle to save the planet. ?
The movie looks at the movement's early days by focusing on figures like John Muir and Gifford Pinchot, both involved in the fight over damming Hetch Hetchy, and the closely related story of the Sierra Club?and its first executive director, David Brower.
It progresses through the Jimmy Carter-era battle over toxic waste dumping at Love Canal, through the work of Greenpeace?and the effort to stop whaling, to conflict over the Amazonian rain forest (including the assassination of Brazilian activist Chico Mendes).

"A Fierce Green Fire" also traces the raising of the movement's consciousness to racial concerns and the growing consensus that climate change is the "mother of all" environmental issues. Finally, it examines attempts to establish a worldwide climate treaty, such as the Kyoto?Protocol.
For anyone who cares about the Planet or who has been involved in the environmental movement, this film will inspire and remind you of both past successes and some failures, and the need for concerned, involved citizen activists to continue the fight in the crucial years ahead!
Parents, bring your kids to see this film, and help them better understand your passion to Explore, Enjoy, and Protect this planet!
?
Agenda:
6:00 pm - Sign-In/Light dinner, including pizza!
6:15 pm - Welcome and Announcements
6:30 - 7:30 pm - First hour of film
7:30 - 7:40 pm - Brief snack break/restroom break
7:40 - 8:20 pm - Final 40 minutes of film
8:20 - 8:30 pm - Closing Comments/Action items/discussion
?
Admission is free, but a donation at the door is requested?to help us defray?costs.
RSVP's are strongly encouraged to help us better plan for seating and snacks too.? We look forward to seeing you!





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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Tue May  7 11:36:32 2013
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 11:36:32 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] =?windows-1256?q?Thank_the_Senate_Elections_Committe?=
 =?windows-1256?q?e_for_CA_DISCLOSE_Act_vote!=FE?=
Message-ID: <BAY165-W44C908393D2961A2F29AF69EBA0@phx.gbl>

Very rarely does a petition THANK officials for doing the right thing.



Four members of the California Senate Elections Committee
 voted Yes on SB 52, the California DISCLOSE Act --
 the bill that fights back against unlimited hidden Citizens Unjted campaign spending by requiring political ads to show who REALLY pays for them.



Please
 sign the petition thanking Senators Lou Correa, Loni Hancock, Alex 
Padilla, and Leland Yee for voting Yes on SB 52 last week:



http://signon.org/sign/thank-the-senate-elections?mailing_id=11940&source=s.icn.em.cr&amp%3Br_by=7412933&r_by=69



Then share the link to the petition on Facebook:



Share our Thank You on Facebook


After all these years, the California Clean Money Campaign still only has about 70,000 registered supporters, but because these supporters are ACTIVE and ORGANIZED, they are a force to be reckoned with in Sacramento.

With our 110,000 California Greens we too could be a force to be reckoned with--if we would just learn to work with what we've got instead of using what we haven't got (yet) as an excuse to indulge futility.















 		 	   		  
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue May  7 16:24:43 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:24:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] speaker
Message-ID: <1367969083.57557.YahooMailClassic@web185302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Before I get someone committed, is there anyone who does not want a speaker from 350SiliconValley to come speak to us before our next meeting about joining a coalition to work against climate change? Several of our members are already members of 350SV, but this would get our name out there and might very well be a good way to attract new members who are disillusioned by the Republicrats kowtowing to the fossil fuel people.
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue May  7 16:39:46 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 16:39:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350 SV Chat] Facebook action - "dislike"
	Zuckerberg's support for KXL
Message-ID: <1367969986.67785.YahooMailClassic@web185305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Tue, 5/7/13, grossman_mark_s at yahoo.com <grossman_mark_s at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: grossman_mark_s at yahoo.com <grossman_mark_s at yahoo.com>
Subject: [350 SV Chat] Facebook action - "dislike" Zuckerberg's support for KXL
To: 350-silicon-valley-chat at googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 1:58 PM









Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg recently helped found a dark-money political group to push for immigration reform, but then the group started running ads favoring the proposed Keystone XL pipeline and drilling for oil in ANWR. Why?
Zuckerberg and his fellow corporate heavies want to boost senators they think are helping them on immigration. They think running these ads will help their allies, so all other concerns fly out the window.
It's another clumsy example of why ultra-wealthy individual and corporate interests shouldn't be able to buy influence in our democracy.
But there's something unusual about this particular example: If you have a Facebook account, you have leverage over Mr. Zuckerberg.
That's why we've joined forces with other progressive groups to build opposition on Facebook itself.
Go to Facebook and 'like' our new "Hey Zuckerberg: Pull your dirty ads" joint page to show Mark Zuckerberg your opposition to his dark-money ads.
As Progressives United, we're not stopping here. Until this is resolved, we will be discontinuing all our paid ads on Facebook.
Progressive partners like the Sierra Club, the League of Conservation Voters, 350.org, Presente.org, CREDO Action, and MoveOn.org will be joining us. We won't sit by while our advertising dollars go to fund a Washington power play completely at odds with our values.
Mr. Zuckerberg and his friends have every right to talk about the benefits of comprehensive immigration reform to the technology industry. But this back-door strategy does nothing but feed public distrust.
It's a shame, because Facebook has emerged as one of the true avenues for grassroots democracy.
But like any powerful grassroots platform, we don't need to spend money to make an impact there. We can unite instead, and take this fight right into the very house that Mark Zuckerberg built: Facebook.
Send a message to Mark Zuckerberg through his own creation: Facebook. 'Like' our new page telling him to pull his regressive dark-money ads today.
Thank you for uniting as a progressive,

Russ Feingold
Founder
Progressives United
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed May  8 09:14:19 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 09:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really
	Matter
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--- On Tue, 5/7/13, shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu> wrote:


From: shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu>
Subject: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter
To: 
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:26 PM




Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 18:15:37 -0700
Subject: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter
From: Thomas Scott Tucker <scott at tstucker.com>





Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter

Maggie Koerth-Baker < http://www.theatlanticcities.com/authors/maggie-koerth-baker/> 

May 06, 2013

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/05/why-your-green-lifestyle-choices-dont-really-matter/5501/ 

Fossil fuels don't care which brand of paper towel you use. They don't care whether you put bamboo flooring in your kitchen, or upcycled your coffee table. Frankly, your personal efforts to insulate your house, drive less, and turn off lights when you leave a room barely register. 

That's because energy isn't about your personal choices, and it's not even exactly about the sources we use at a regional or local scale. Energy is systems. And all the green lifestyle changes in the world don't alter the fact that fossil fuels are safely embedded at the center of our global energy system.

"What if we never run out of oil? < http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/green-lifestyle-choices-dont-change-the-systems-that-make-fossil-fuels-attractive/275575/www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/what-if-we-never-run-out-of-oil/309294/ > ", Charles Mann's recent article in The Atlantic, is a stark reminder of this fact. In it, he examines the shift from traditional fossil fuels of oil, gas and coal to "unconventional" resources -- natural gas trapped in layers of rock, methane frozen in crystals at the bottom of the sea, and even waterlogged or sand-sludged oil deposits our ancestors passed over.

Once upon a time, these reserves were considered too expensive, too hard to access, too potentially messy to bother with. But as traditional reserves get harder to find, companies are coming up with ways to get around the unconventional problems. The trend has even spurred debate between economists and geologists about whether or not we can actually run out of fossil fuels altogether. Maybe there will always be some grimy, hard-to-reach hydrocarbons down there, just waiting for the right technology and the proper economic incentives to come along.

Everything about our energy system has been shaped by fossil fuels. 
Personally, though, I'm less concerned about the outcome of that debate than I am with the realities that created the debate to begin with. Fossil fuels are an incredibly powerful source of energy. They've enabled us to build the comfortable, convenient and clean society we enjoy today. And that society has been molded around them. Everything about our energy system has been shaped by fossil fuels. Our homes are run by electric infrastructure that functions best when paired with highly controllable power plants that allow us to create more or less electricity on demand by burning more or less fossil fuels. Our transportation system is designed specifically for gasoline-powered cars. The chemistry behind everything from agriculture to clothing is based on oil.

None of these infrastructures had to be based on fossil fuels, but they were. This fact -- not what you choose to do in your personal life -- is why it's so difficult to stop using fossil fuels. It's why there continues to be economic incentives to develop technologies to get at even the most unconventional of hydrocarbons.

Trying to fit new kinds of energy into infrastructures not designed for them is expensive, and creates complications -- the fact that solar resources fluctuate throughout the day isn't inherently problematic, but it is a problem when paired with an infrastructure that can't deal with fluctuation. Relying on individuals to produce change forces people to make choices that aren't always in their best interest -- how do you get rid of your car in a city or state with no alternative transportation infrastructure?

Like it or not, what Mann's article shows us is that climate change and environmental sustainability aren't grassroots issues.

In fact, that's exactly what economists told me two years ago, when I was researching Before the Lights Go Out < http://www.amazon.com/Before-Lights-Go-Out-Conquering/dp/0470876255 > , my book on electricity infrastructure in the United States. Energy is a systemic issue. If you want to change it, you have to start at the level of systems -- not with the downstream effects.

That's why economists think carbon taxes are such an important idea. There are multiple benefits. Taxing carbon means accounting for currently ignored costs of fossil fuels -- in 2009, the National Academy of Sciences estimated that Americans spend $120 billion every year dealing with the health effects of air pollution. Carbon taxes also incentivize and simplify sustainable personal decisions -- instead of doing lots of research to buy just the right green product, all you have to do is buy the thing that's cheaper.

Most important, though, is the effect on infrastructure. We're going after unconventional fossil fuels today because of economic incentives that have made once too-expensive sources of energy appealing. We're willing to develop new technologies and set up whole new industries to get at those fuels. There's no reason why the same thing can't happen to the wind, the sun, the waves and other non-fossil fuel based sources of unconventional energy. If we price carbon at what it's really worth, then the forces that Mann shows as working against us can start to work for us.


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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed May  8 18:27:57 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 18:27:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350svnotarsands] Fwd: Great Info from our No Tar
	Sands colleagues at 350 Bay Area in the East Bay
Message-ID: <1368062877.1503.YahooMailClassic@web185303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Wed, 5/8/13, Pierre Delforge <pedelforge at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Pierre Delforge <pedelforge at gmail.com>
Subject: [350svnotarsands] Fwd: Great Info from our No Tar Sands colleagues at 350 Bay Area in the East Bay
To: 350svnotarsands at googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 5:22 PM


Also wanted to pass along this digest with lots of great info.
If you can't access the links, you can request access at?https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/notarsandsbayarea
P.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <notarsandsbayarea at googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, May 8, 2013 at 3:30 AM
Subject: [No Tar Sands Bay Area] Abridged summary of notarsandsbayarea at googlegroups.com - 5 Messages in 5 Topics
To: Abridged Recipients <notarsandsbayarea at googlegroups.com>



? Today's Topic Summary
Group: http://groups.google.com/group/notarsandsbayarea/topics

PROPOSAL FOR MASS MOBILIZATION AND NONVIOLENT DIRECT ACTION AT CHEVRON REFINERY & KINDER MORGAN IN RICHMOND [1 Update]
Please forward!: Keystone XL Pipeline Could Cost $100 Billion Per Year in Health and Environmental Damages [1 Update]
U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message [1 Update]
OOPs!!! Starts at 9:30 am! Re: Air District Climate Committee Agenda this Thursday [1 Update]
Air District Climate Committee Agenda this Thursday [1 Update]
?PROPOSAL FOR MASS MOBILIZATION AND NONVIOLENT DIRECT ACTION AT CHEVRON REFINERY & KINDER MORGAN IN RICHMOND

David Solnit <dsolnit at yahoo.com> May 07 10:15PM -0700 ?

The Long Term Action Work Group of the Keystone Action Council agreed to support bring the following proposal
to the Keystone Action Council this Saturday. Please discuss it with your affinity group ...more

?Please forward!: Keystone XL Pipeline Could Cost $100 Billion Per Year in Health and Environmental Damages

Greg Jan <gregjan4 at yahoo.com> May 07 09:43PM -0700 ?

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2013/05/07-1
?
?
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
?
May 7, 2013
?
2:24 PM


CONTACT: Oil Change InternationalMolly Haigh, 907-750-1999, ...more

?U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message

Ann & Loring Dales <annlordales at earthlink.net> May 07 01:58PM -0700 ?

FYI. Information from our Senator Feinstein on the Keystone XL. - 
Loring
?
Begin forwarded message:
?
...more

?OOPs!!! Starts at 9:30 am! Re: Air District Climate Committee Agenda this Thursday

Janet Stromberg <janet.stromberg at gmail.com> May 07 09:30AM -0700 ?

CORRECTION! The meeting starts at 9:30, not 10:30. Please let people who
might come know.
?
- Janet
On May 7, 2013 8:20 AM, "Janet Stromberg" <janet.stromberg at gmail.com>
wrote:
?
...more

?Air District Climate Committee Agenda this Thursday

Janet Stromberg <janet.stromberg at gmail.com> May 07 08:20AM -0700 ?

The Bay Area Air Quality Management District's Climate Protection
Committee, chaired by Supervisor John Avalos, is meeting at 10:30 - 12:00
this Thursday at 939 Ellis St. (near Van Ness, walkable ...more


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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed May  8 18:29:30 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 18:29:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350svnotarsands] Minutes from the May 4th 350SV
	No Tar Sands meeting
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--- On Wed, 5/8/13, Pierre Delforge <pedelforge at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Pierre Delforge <pedelforge at gmail.com>
Subject: [350svnotarsands] Minutes from the May 4th 350SV No Tar Sands meeting
To: 350svnotarsands at googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 5:18 PM


Hi all,


Here are the minutes from last Saturday's No Tar Sands meeting. Detailed notes here.


Some highlights:


Keystone Action Council: this coalition of Bay Area groups fighting KXL is meeting this Saturday 1-3pm in Oakland. Anyone available to attend and represent our group?
We ?discussed our Goals, Strategies and Tactics
We worked on the No Tar Sands page for the upcoming 350SV web site
And more, check out the full notes...
Next NTS meeting: June 1, 3-5pm, Coffee & More, Murphy Ave, Sunnyvale


Also, mark your calendars:?May 26th, 3 pm in Palo Alto,?350 Silicon Valley BBQ & Potluck!? More info coming soon...


Onward!


Pierre
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From perrysandy at aol.com  Wed May  8 21:19:00 2013
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:19:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't
	Really Matter
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Message-ID: <8D01A8377644A5C-32C-24AAE@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com>


Great article, Caroline. This is a great answer to the question, "Why We Need the Green Party". Individual life choices will never save the planet if we do not simultaneously fight for systemic change, and systemic change requires political organization.


Sandy


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To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Sent: Wed, May 8, 2013 9:14 am
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter






--- On Tue, 5/7/13, shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu> wrote:


From: shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu>
Subject: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter
To: 
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:26 PM



Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 18:15:37 -0700
Subject: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter
From: Thomas Scott Tucker <scott at tstucker.com>





Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter

Maggie Koerth-Baker < http://www.theatlanticcities.com/authors/maggie-koerth-baker/> 

May 06, 2013

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/05/why-your-green-lifestyle-choices-dont-really-matter/5501/ 

Fossil fuels don't care which brand of paper towel you use. They don't care whether you put bamboo flooring in your kitchen, or upcycled your coffee table. Frankly, your personal efforts to insulate your house, drive less, and turn off lights when you leave a room barely register. 

That's because energy isn't about your personal choices, and it's not even exactly about the sources we use at a regional or local scale. Energy is systems. And all the green lifestyle changes in the world don't alter the fact that fossil fuels are safely embedded at the center of our global energy system.

"What if we never run out of oil? < http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/green-lifestyle-choices-dont-change-the-systems-that-make-fossil-fuels-attractive/275575/www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/what-if-we-never-run-out-of-oil/309294/ > ", Charles Mann's recent article in The Atlantic, is a stark reminder of this fact. In it, he examines the shift from traditional fossil fuels of oil, gas and coal to "unconventional" resources -- natural gas trapped in layers of rock, methane frozen in crystals at the bottom of the sea, and even waterlogged or sand-sludged oil deposits our ancestors passed over.

Once upon a time, these reserves were considered too expensive, too hard to access, too potentially messy to bother with. But as traditional reserves get harder to find, companies are coming up with ways to get around the unconventional problems. The trend has even spurred debate between economists and geologists about whether or not we can actually run out of fossil fuels altogether. Maybe there will always be some grimy, hard-to-reach hydrocarbons down there, just waiting for the right technology and the proper economic incentives to come along.

Everything about our energy system has been shaped by fossil fuels. 
Personally, though, I'm less concerned about the outcome of that debate than I am with the realities that created the debate to begin with. Fossil fuels are an incredibly powerful source of energy. They've enabled us to build the comfortable, convenient and clean society we enjoy today. And that society has been molded around them. Everything about our energy system has been shaped by fossil fuels. Our homes are run by electric infrastructure that functions best when paired with highly controllable power plants that allow us to create more or less electricity on demand by burning more or less fossil fuels. Our transportation system is designed specifically for gasoline-powered cars. The chemistry behind everything from agriculture to clothing is based on oil.

None of these infrastructures had to be based on fossil fuels, but they were. This fact -- not what you choose to do in your personal life -- is why it's so difficult to stop using fossil fuels. It's why there continues to be economic incentives to develop technologies to get at even the most unconventional of hydrocarbons.

Trying to fit new kinds of energy into infrastructures not designed for them is expensive, and creates complications -- the fact that solar resources fluctuate throughout the day isn't inherently problematic, but it is a problem when paired with an infrastructure that can't deal with fluctuation. Relying on individuals to produce change forces people to make choices that aren't always in their best interest -- how do you get rid of your car in a city or state with no alternative transportation infrastructure?

Like it or not, what Mann's article shows us is that climate change and environmental sustainability aren't grassroots issues.

In fact, that's exactly what economists told me two years ago, when I was researching Before the Lights Go Out < http://www.amazon.com/Before-Lights-Go-Out-Conquering/dp/0470876255 > , my book on electricity infrastructure in the United States. Energy is a systemic issue. If you want to change it, you have to start at the level of systems -- not with the downstream effects.

That's why economists think carbon taxes are such an important idea. There are multiple benefits. Taxing carbon means accounting for currently ignored costs of fossil fuels -- in 2009, the National Academy of Sciences estimated that Americans spend $120 billion every year dealing with the health effects of air pollution. Carbon taxes also incentivize and simplify sustainable personal decisions -- instead of doing lots of research to buy just the right green product, all you have to do is buy the thing that's cheaper.

Most important, though, is the effect on infrastructure. We're going after unconventional fossil fuels today because of economic incentives that have made once too-expensive sources of energy appealing. We're willing to develop new technologies and set up whole new industries to get at those fuels. There's no reason why the same thing can't happen to the wind, the sun, the waves and other non-fossil fuel based sources of unconventional energy. If we price carbon at what it's really worth, then the forces that Mann shows as working against us can start to work for us.


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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu May  9 14:03:47 2013
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 14:03:47 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't
 Really Matter
In-Reply-To: <8D01A8377644A5C-32C-24AAE@webmail-m269.sysops.aol.com>
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When Paul Ehrlich spoke on a Public Access TV program a couple of years 
ago he said that our individual efforts to reduce our own water consumption
are meaningless in the face of far greater water consumption by industry 
(which I'll suppose he meant to include agriculture).

We're enveloped in unconserving and unsustainable systems (such as our
fossil energy syst3em) because they have been structured around the 
desire for short-term profits.













To: carolineyacoub at att.net; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
From: perrysandy at aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 00:19:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't	Really Matter


Great article, Caroline. This is a great answer to the question, "Why We Need the Green Party". Individual life choices will never save the planet if we do not simultaneously fight for systemic change, and systemic change requires political organization.

 

 

Sandy





-----Original Message-----

From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>

To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>

Sent: Wed, May 8, 2013 9:14 am

Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter












--- On Tue, 5/7/13, shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu> wrote:




From: shane que hee <squehee at ucla.edu>

Subject: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter

To: 

Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:26 PM








Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 18:15:37 -0700

Subject: Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter

From: Thomas Scott Tucker <scott at tstucker.com>











Why Your 'Green Lifestyle' Choices Don't Really Matter



Maggie Koerth-Baker < http://www.theatlanticcities.com/authors/maggie-koerth-baker/> 



May 06, 2013



http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/05/why-your-green-lifestyle-choices-dont-really-matter/5501/ 



Fossil fuels don't care which brand
 of paper towel you use. They don't care whether you put bamboo flooring in your kitchen, or upcycled your coffee table. Frankly, your personal efforts to insulate your house, drive less, and turn off lights when you leave a room barely register. 



That's because energy isn't about your personal choices, and it's not even exactly about the sources we use at a regional or local scale. Energy is systems. And all the green lifestyle changes in the world don't alter the fact that fossil fuels are safely embedded at the center of our global energy system.



"What if we never run out of oil? < http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/green-lifestyle-choices-dont-change-the-systems-that-make-fossil-fuels-attractive/275575/www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/what-if-we-never-run-out-of-oil/309294/ > ", Charles Mann's recent article in The Atlantic, is a stark reminder of this fact. In it, he examines the shift from traditional fossil fuels of oil, gas and coal to "unconventional" resources -- natural gas trapped in layers of rock, methane frozen in crystals at the bottom of the sea, and even waterlogged or sand-sludged oil deposits our ancestors passed over.



Once upon a time, these
 reserves were considered too expensive, too hard to access, too potentially messy to bother with. But as traditional reserves get harder to find, companies are coming up with ways to get around the unconventional problems. The trend has even spurred debate between economists and geologists about whether or not we can actually run out of fossil fuels altogether. Maybe there will always be some grimy, hard-to-reach hydrocarbons down there, just waiting for the right technology and the proper economic incentives to come along.



Everything about our energy system has been shaped by fossil fuels. 

Personally, though, I'm less concerned about the outcome of that debate than I am with the realities that created the debate to begin with. Fossil fuels are an incredibly powerful source of energy. They've enabled us to build the comfortable, convenient and clean society we enjoy today.
 And that society has been molded around them. Everything about our energy system has been shaped by fossil fuels. Our homes are run by electric infrastructure that functions best when paired with highly controllable power plants that allow us to create more or less electricity on demand by burning more or less fossil fuels. Our transportation system is designed specifically for gasoline-powered cars. The chemistry behind everything from agriculture to clothing is based on oil.



None of these infrastructures had to be based on fossil fuels, but they were. This fact -- not what you choose to do in your personal life -- is why it's so difficult to stop using fossil fuels. It's why there continues to be economic incentives to develop technologies to get at even the most unconventional of hydrocarbons.



Trying
 to fit new kinds of energy into infrastructures not designed for them is expensive, and creates complications -- the fact that solar resources fluctuate throughout the day isn't inherently problematic, but it is a problem when paired with an infrastructure that can't deal with fluctuation. Relying on individuals to produce change forces people to make choices that aren't always in their best interest -- how do you get rid of your car in a city or state with no alternative transportation infrastructure?



Like it or not, what Mann's article shows us is that climate change and environmental sustainability aren't grassroots issues.



In fact, that's exactly what economists told me two years ago, when I was researching Before the Lights Go Out < http://www.amazon.com/Before-Lights-Go-Out-Conquering/dp/0470876255 > , my book on electricity infrastructure in the United States. Energy is a systemic issue. If you want to change it, you have to start at the level of systems -- not with the downstream effects.



That's why economists think carbon taxes are such an important idea. There are multiple benefits. Taxing carbon means accounting for currently ignored costs of fossil fuels -- in 2009, the National Academy of Sciences estimated that Americans spend $120 billion every year dealing with the health effects of air pollution. Carbon taxes also incentivize and simplify sustainable personal decisions -- instead of doing lots of research to buy just the right green product, all you have to do is buy the thing that's
 cheaper.



Most important, though, is the effect on infrastructure. We're going after unconventional fossil fuels today because of economic incentives that have made once too-expensive sources of energy appealing. We're willing to develop new technologies and set up whole new industries to get at those fuels. There's no reason why the same thing can't happen to the wind, the sun, the waves and other non-fossil fuel based sources of unconventional energy. If we price carbon at what it's really worth, then the forces that Mann shows as working against us can start to work for us.





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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu May  9 19:31:48 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 19:31:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Endangered Earth: Agreement Secures Sea Turtle
	Habitat--and fracking
Message-ID: <1368153108.49943.YahooMailClassic@web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Want to feel good? Read the article on fracking in California.

--- On Thu, 5/9/13, Center for Biological Diversity <kieran at biologicaldiversity.org> wrote:


From: Center for Biological Diversity <kieran at biologicaldiversity.org>
Subject: Endangered Earth: Agreement Secures Sea Turtle Habitat
To: carolineyacoub at att.net
Date: Thursday, May 9, 2013, 1:06 PM




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No. 668, May 9, 2013




Deal Will Safeguard Habitat for Loggerhead Sea Turtles -- Take Action







Center Op-ed: Don't Pull the Plug on Wolf Recovery








After Fracking Win, Oil and Gas Lease Sales Called Off in Calif.






New Northern Rockies Office Will Protect Grizzlies, Wolves, Other Area Species






Feds Weaken Proposed Protection for Lesser Prairie Chickens






Raising Voices Against Mountaintop Mining -- Take Action






On May 17, Celebrate Endangered Species Day, 40 Years of ESA Success






Biodiversity Briefing: Protecting Our Predators






Wild & Weird: If Sharks Made Their Own Jaws





































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Deal Will Safeguard Habitat for Loggerhead Sea Turtles -- Take Action
Endangered loggerhead sea turtles just won an important new federal commitment to protect some of their most important habitat, thanks to a settlement between the Center for Biological Diversity, our allies and the U.S. government. Under the new agreement the feds must propose specific protections for the ancient animals' feeding, breeding and migratory areas by July -- in both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. In March, the government proposed to protect 739 miles of loggerheads' nesting beach habitat. The new agreement says final protections for all areas must be in place by July 2014.

Critical habitat designation for loggerheads is essential to their recovery and won't limit public access to beaches; it requires that activities in protected habitat be reviewed for federal approval to ensure they won't hurt the turtles' chance at survival.

"Protecting sea turtle nesting habitat will not only help sea turtles -- but everyone who enjoys clean and healthy beaches," says Jacki Lopez, the Center's Florida-based attorney.

Read more in the Los Angeles Times. Then take action to urge the feds to finalize habitat protections, and check out our interactive map of the areas proposed.






Center Op-ed: Don't Pull the Plug on Wolf Recovery
Any day now, we expect the Obama administration to propose a rule that will prematurely strip Endangered Species Act protection for wolves across most of the lower 48 states. When that happens, we'll be calling on you to fight this bad decision. As Noah Greenwald, the Center's endangered species program director, says in a new op-ed in The Huffington Post, wolves today wander in just 5 percent of their historic habitat in the continental United States.

"If it's enacted, this rule will put a tragic end to one of the most important wildlife recovery stories in America's history," Noah writes. "It's simply far too early to declare victory."

Around the country, there are vast tracts of land that scientists have determined have the space and prey to support healthy wolf populations. We can't let the Obama administration walk away from wolf recovery with the job left unfinished. 

Stay tuned to hear how you can help when the new rule is announced, and read more in Noah's Huffington Post op-ed.






After Fracking Win, Oil and Gas Lease Sales Called Off in Calif.
Just weeks after the Center for Biological Diversity and the Sierra Club won a major victory against fracking in California, the Bureau of Land Management has postponed all oil and gas lease sales in the Golden State for the rest of the fiscal year. The court ruling last month found that the Obama administration violated the law by leasing California's public land for oil development without considering the risks of fracking.

The BLM originally cited only sequester-related budget cuts as the reason for postponing oil and gas leases in California for this year -- but lease sales continue in other states, and the agency ultimately acknowledged that the Center's lawsuit win influenced their cancellation decision.

"Whether the BLM admits it or not, the agency knows it can't lawfully hold additional lease sales in California without a full environmental review of the serious risks fracking poses to our air, water and wildlife," says the Center's Brendan Cummings. "The BLM's decision to cancel planned lease sales in California for 2013 is a welcome sign that the agency finally recognizes that its rubber-stamp approach to oil leasing is no longer viable."

Read more in the San Jose Mercury News.






New Northern Rockies Office Will Protect Grizzlies, Wolves, Other Area Species
We're excited to announce the opening of a new Center for Biological Diversity Northern Rockies office, to be headed by scientist and veteran conservation advocate Louisa Willcox. Based in Montana, Louisa and the Northern Rockies office will allow the Center to expand its advocacy for endangered species -- including grizzlies, wolves, lynx, bison, grayling, sage grouse and fishers -- and their habitats in the region.

The Center has successfully achieved protection for a variety of species and habitats in the northern Rockies. Earlier this year we secured proposed Endangered Species Act protection for American wolverines through a historic agreement with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Under this same agreement, the agency will decide whether to protect Montana grayling in the Big Hole River next year.

"I'm thrilled that the Center is expanding its capacity in the region," says Louisa. "With vast stretches of mountains and prairie and pristine waters, the northern Rockies still harbor many species that have disappeared elsewhere in the lower 48 states."

Read more in our press release.






Feds Weaken Proposed Protection for Lesser Prairie Chickens
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has just revised its proposed listing rule for lesser prairie chickens to include a special "4(d)" loophole in the Endangered Species Act that would allow destruction of the birds' habitat, in particular through farming, to continue unimpeded. The prairie chicken, a kind of western grouse famous for its unique, elaborate, and comical mating displays, has been on the waiting list for protection since 1998 and was proposed for protection under the Center's 757 species agreement.

Ominously, federal reliance on the 4(d) loophole appears to be increasing: The same rule was used to weaken protection for polar bears and has been proposed for wolverines as well. Lesser prairie chickens' range (in Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas) has been reduced by more than 90 percent, and their population has declined by about 85 percent since the 1800s due to habitat loss and degradation from forces like grazing, agriculture, and oil and gas extraction.

"Lesser prairie chickens are amazing birds -- funny and beautiful. We should do everything we can to protect them and their prairie home for our children and grandchildren to see," says the Center's Jay Lininger.

Read more in the Alamogordo Daily News.






Raising Voices Against Mountaintop Mining -- Take Action

As part of End Mountaintop Removal Week in Washington, D.C., Appalachian residents this week brought toxic water from their homes to the headquarters of the EPA and members of Congress.

Urging federal action to protect water quality from coal mining in Appalachia, citizens -- with the support of the Center and other groups like Alliance for Appalachia -- are calling on the EPA to develop a rule that would create strong water-quality standards. We're also urging Congress to put a moratorium on mountaintop-removal coal-mining permits until the impacts of pollution from the radical form of mining have been addressed.

Numerous studies have linked mountaintop removal with human illnesses and with deformities in downstream wildlife.

Take action today by contacting your representatives -- demand federal action to protect people and endangered species in Appalachia from mountaintop removal.






On May 17, Celebrate Endangered Species Day, 40 Years of ESA Success
All year the Center for Biological Diversity is teaming up with the Endangered Species Coalition to mark the 40th anniversary of the Endangered Species Act -- and we're doing something special this month to celebrate Endangered Species Day on May 17. We need your help to make it happen.

Some of our nation's most iconic species, including bald eagles, grizzly bears and crocodiles, were all heading for extinction before being rescued by the Endangered Species Act. It has a remarkable track record: About 99 percent of the more than 1,400 species protected by the Act have been saved from extinction, and hundreds are on the road to recovery.

Please join our select group of ESActivists today to share the Act's success through letters to the editor and by educating your friends and neighbors on the need to protect biodiversity. Then join us this month at an Endangered Species Day celebration event.






Biodiversity Briefing: Protecting Our Predators
Often misunderstood and maligned, predators like grizzly bears and wolves have been pushed out of their native habitats as people (and their buildings and livestock) have moved in. On top of that, many have been hunted, trapped and killed to near extinction. And as the human population grows and climate change worsens, so do threats to these ecologically important wildlife.

This is the topic of our latest Biodiversity Briefing phone call with Leadership Circle and Legacy Society members, in which Center for Biological Diversity Executive Director Kier?n Suckling discussed our work defending key predators like grizzly bears, gray wolves, jaguars, polar bears, Pacific fishers, Puget Sound orcas and more as we ramp up our predator-protection work. To build on scores of past predator victories -- from securing 120 million acres of "critical habitat" for polar bears to winning Puget Sound orcas protections -- we've hired two new expert conservation organizers to expand our efforts to defend wolves along the West Coast, safeguard grizzly bears in the Rocky Mountains and help protect other predators across the country.

Listen to a recording of Kier?n's exclusive briefing now, and consider joining the Center's Leadership Circle or Legacy Society to be part of these briefings and Q&A sessions live, when they happen. Learn more about how to join and be part of these briefings on our website, or email or call Major Gifts Associate Julie Ragland, (520) 623-5252 x 304.






Wild & Weird: If Sharks Made Their Own Jaws
Ever watch the Discovery Channel's Shark Week marathon or the film Jaws and decide to cancel your beach vacation? A new infographic titled "Shark Attack" will help put that fear into perspective. Using stark and staggeringly simple units of measurement, the infographic demonstrates that, while roughly 12 people are killed by sharks every year, a total of 11,417 sharks are killed by people every hour. That's more than 100 million sharks killed each year.

If sharks were ever to produce their own creature feature, it would most certainly star a bloodthirsty human trolling the oceans to slice off shark fins.

Check out this sobering shark attack infographic and learn about attempts to ban shark-fin trading in Texas from CBS News.















Kier?n Suckling
Executive Director


Photo credits: grizzly bear cubs courtesy the U.S. National Park Service; loggerhead sea turtle by Tom Moore, NOAA; gray wolf courtesy Flickr/Stone Horse Studios; fracking rig courtesy Flickr/Justin Woolford; grizzly bear by Robin Silver, Center for Biological Diversity; lesser prairie chicken by Greg Kramos, USFWS; toxic runoff from mountaintop removal mining courtesy Flickr/iLoveMountains.org; bald eagle courtesy USFWS; jaguar courtesy Flickr/Shawn Kinkade; great white shark courtesy La Jolla Elementary School.

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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Fri May 10 12:35:57 2013
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:35:57 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Anti-Nuke Civil Disobedience Arraignment
Message-ID: <BAY165-W521D8E37404EB55BB970939EA50@phx.gbl>

Fr. Louie Vitale, Larry Purcell, Mary Jane Parrine, 
and Ed Ehmke will 
be arraigned Monday  May 13, at 1:30 at the Palo Alto 
courthouse on 
Grant near California Ave.

The charges result from their actions on Good Friday in protest of 
Lockheed's nuclear armaments.  You might remember that Carol
Brouillet participated last year and got 18 months probation after    
(IIRC) a nolo plea.

Ed Ehmke refused the plea bargain last year and served 10 days in 
jail, and here he is again.  He deserves the support of everyone who 
can make it to the N. County courthouse on Monday.

For more info, call Peggy  Coleman - 408-221-3424

The Pacific Life Community has been protesting at Lockheed for
24 years.



 		 	   		  
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri May 10 13:25:11 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 13:25:11 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Climate Change Articles
Message-ID: <518D57A7.703@earthlink.net>


FYI,

"Thoreau's Radicalism and the Fight Against the Fossil-Fuel Industry"
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/05/09-7

"'This Is Our Last Chance': Deep-Pocketed Dems Urge Obama to Reject 
Keystone XL"
"To avoid 'catastrophic climate disruption,' warn donors, president must 
take a historic stand"
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/10-2

(There are many signers in SCC.)

Gerry



From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Fri May 10 14:32:43 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 14:32:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Climate Change Articles
In-Reply-To: <518D57A7.703@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1368221563.46022.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Another article of interest would be this one:
?
http://timeforchange.org/co2-emission-nuclear-power-stations-electricity

that talks about how much CO2 is emmitted by nuclear power generation. It turns out that nuclear power will likely have higher CO2 emissions than natural gas fired power plants when the Uranium is almost exhausted and we have to mine the lower grade ores (in 2050 or so). The numbers are likely somewhat better for Thorium reactors, though those have not been developed sufficiently to be sure of what would happen if Thorium were used instead of Uranium.
?
John Thielking

--- On Fri, 5/10/13, Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net> wrote:


From: Gerry Gras <gerrygras at earthlink.net>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Climate Change Articles
To: "GPSCC" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Friday, May 10, 2013, 1:25 PM



FYI,

"Thoreau's Radicalism and the Fight Against the Fossil-Fuel Industry"
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/05/09-7

"'This Is Our Last Chance': Deep-Pocketed Dems Urge Obama to Reject Keystone XL"
"To avoid 'catastrophic climate disruption,' warn donors, president must take a historic stand"
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/10-2

(There are many signers in SCC.)

Gerry

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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri May 10 16:57:52 2013
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 16:57:52 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] March against Monsanto
Message-ID: <518D8980.5090803@aceweb.com>

Diane Solomon is a local contact for the global march against Monsanto 
that is happening June 25th.
They would like the Green Party to endorse the event, show up and table, 
and invite our members to it.
At this point I've invited my facebook friends list and hope that we can 
take some collective action
in that direction. Here is a link to the local event page:

http://www.facebook.com/events/446058418813976/


-- 
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest: No Keystone XL pipeline event at Facebook HQ in Menlo Park.
There is a one world pin on an Idaho quarter in my home now.



From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Fri May 10 17:49:04 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:49:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] March against Monsanto
In-Reply-To: <518D8980.5090803@aceweb.com>
Message-ID: <1368233344.9730.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

This is happening May 25, 2013. FYI.

--- On Fri, 5/10/13, Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com> wrote:


From: Tian Harter <tnharter at aceweb.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] March against Monsanto
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Friday, May 10, 2013, 4:57 PM


Diane Solomon is a local contact for the global march against Monsanto that is happening June 25th.
They would like the Green Party to endorse the event, show up and table, and invite our members to it.
At this point I've invited my facebook friends list and hope that we can take some collective action
in that direction. Here is a link to the local event page:

http://www.facebook.com/events/446058418813976/


-- Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest: No Keystone XL pipeline event at Facebook HQ in Menlo Park.
There is a one world pin on an Idaho quarter in my home now.

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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Sun May 12 20:56:07 2013
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:56:07 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Anti-Nuke Arraignment Monday Cancelled
In-Reply-To: <BAY165-W521D8E37404EB55BB970939EA50@phx.gbl>
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I am informed that no charges have been filed, and thus there 
will be no arraignment tomorrow.  No need to go to the Palo
Alto courthouse after all.

Brian 

From: snug.bug at hotmail.com
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Anti-Nuke Civil Disobedience Arraignment
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:35:57 -0700




Fr. Louie Vitale, Larry Purcell, Mary Jane Parrine, 
and Ed Ehmke will 
be arraigned Monday  May 13, at 1:30 at the Palo Alto 
courthouse on 
Grant near California Ave.

The charges result from their actions on Good Friday in protest of 
Lockheed's nuclear armaments.  You might remember that Carol
Brouillet participated last year and got 18 months probation after    
(IIRC) a nolo plea.

Ed Ehmke refused the plea bargain last year and served 10 days in 
jail, and here he is again.  He deserves the support of everyone who 
can make it to the N. County courthouse on Monday.

For more info, call Peggy  Coleman - 408-221-3424

The Pacific Life Community has been protesting at Lockheed for
24 years.



 		 	   		   		 	   		  
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 12 23:45:06 2013
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 23:45:06 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Agenda, GPCA General Assembly, Napa, June 22-23, 2013
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This from the Green Party of California inform list:

Dear fellow Green,

Here is the agenda 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fagenda-draft-to-counties&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=2&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>for 
the upcoming GPCA General Assembly in Napa, June 22-23, 2013.

http://www.cagreens.org/ga/2013-06/agenda-draft-to-counties

*Saturday, June 22*
 
  8:00am Breakfast, registration
 
  9:00am *Opening*, new delegate orientation, quorum count, announcement 
of Standing Committee vacancies
 
  9:30am *Agenda approval*
 
  9:45am *Consent calendar*
*- Proposal: Approval of Coordinating Committee Bylaws Interpretation 
Regarding Platform Approval at San Francisco General Assembly 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fbylaws-interpretation-platform-approval&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=3&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> *(September 
10, 2012)
 
10:00am *Confirmation: Doug Barnett, Coordinating Committee Nominee for 
GPCA Treasurer 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fconfirmation-treasurer&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=4&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> *(nominee 
makes statement)
 
10:15am *Confirmation: Jared Laiti, Coordinating Committee Nominee for 
GPCA Liaison to the Secretary of State 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fconfirmation-gpca-liaison-secretary-state&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=5&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>* (nominee 
makes statement)
 
10:30am *Presentation: Coordinating Committee female 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.cagreens.org%2Fvote%2Firvdetail%3Fpid%3D24&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=6&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> and male 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.cagreens.org%2Fvote%2Firvdetail%3Fpid%3D25&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=7&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> candidates 
for FY2013-2015 make statements*
 
10:50am *Presentation: GPUS Delegation delegate 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.cagreens.org%2Fvote%2Firvdetail%3Fpid%3D26&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=8&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> and alternate 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.cagreens.org%2Fvote%2Firvdetail%3Fpid%3D27&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=9&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> candidates 
for FY2013-2015 make statements*
 
11:00am *Proposal: Budget FY2013-2014 - Draft budget in .xls format 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Ffinance%2Finternal%2Fbudget_fy2013-2014.xls&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=10&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> and .pdf 
format 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Ffinance%2Finternal%2Fbudget_fy2013-2014.pdf&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=11&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> format; Income 
Narrative 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fbudget-narratives%23income_narrative&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=12&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>, Expense 
Narrative 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fbudget-narratives%23expense_narrative&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=13&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>; Annual 
Reports and Workplans of Standing Committees and Working Groups 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fbudget-annual-reports-work-plans%23overlay-context%3Dga%2F2013-06%2Fbudget-narratives&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=14&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> *(Budget 
Committee)*, Proposal: Strategic Plan 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fstrategic-plan&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=15&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> *(Coordinating 
Committee)
 
12:20pm *Lunch*, Womens Caucus meeting during lunch 
 
  1:25pm *Quorum count*
 
  1:30pm *Proposal: Budget FY2013-2014 - Draft budget in .xls format 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Ffinance%2Finternal%2Fbudget_fy2013-2014.xls&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=16&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> and .pdf 
format 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Ffinance%2Finternal%2Fbudget_fy2013-2014.pdf&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=17&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> format; Income 
Narrative 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fbudget-narratives%23income_narrative&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=18&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>, Expense 
Narrative 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fbudget-narratives%23expense_narrative&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=19&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>; Annual 
Reports and Workplans of Standing Committees and Working Groups 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fbudget-annual-reports-work-plans%23overlay-context%3Dga%2F2013-06%2Fbudget-narratives&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=20&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> *(Budget 
Committee)*, Proposal: Strategic Plan 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fstrategic-plan&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=21&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> *(Coordinating 
Committee)
 
  2:55pm *Announcement of *Standing Committee 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fcommittees&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=22&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>* vacancies* 

 
  3:00pm *Breakout sessions for committees and working groups *(CCWG, 
Platform, Finance, GROW)
 
  4:30pm *Presentation: Update on Legal Cases against Proposition 14/SB6 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fupdate-prop-14&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=23&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>* (Coordinating 
Committee)  
 
  4:45pm* Discussion/Proposal: GPCA 2014 Election Strategy, including 
statewide constitutional offices/Resolution on 2014 Elections 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2F2014-election-strategy&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=24&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>* (Campaigns 
& Candidates Working Group)
 
  5:55pm *Announcements*
 
  6:00pm *Dinner* on your own (host committee providing 
recommendations), GPUS Delegation meeting during dinner
 
  7:30pm *Greens In Government Forum*, featuring Richmond Mayor *Gayle 
Mclaughlin*, as well as Marina Mayor *Bruce Delgado*, Fairfax Town 
Councilmember *Ren?e Goddard* and one more invitee.
 
*Sunday May 13*
 
  8:00am *Breakfast*, registration
 
  9:00am *Breakout sessions for committees and working groups* (CCWG, 
Green Issues, Media)
 
10:30pm *Quorum count*
 
10:35am *Consent calendar bring-backs*
 
10:40am *Confirmation: Standing Committee and Working Group 
Co-Coordinators  
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fconfirmation-co-coordinators&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=25&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>* 

 
10:45am *Proposal: Approval Next General Assembly Meeting Date and Place 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fnext-ga&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=26&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>* (Coordinating 
Committee)
 
10:55am *Proposal: Proportional Representation Platform Plank 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fplatform-proportional-representation&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=27&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>  *(Platform)
 
11:25am *Discussion: Update on Status of Fracking Legislation in 
California* *and affecting California* (Green Issues Working Group)
 
11:35am *Proposal: Fracking and Wastewater Injection Platform Plank 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Ffracking-plank&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=28&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>* (Platform)
 
12:10pm *Discussion: Organizing around Fracking* (Green Issues Working 
Group)
 
12:15pm *Discussion* (initial introduction and discussion of plank, time 
permitting only): *Military Uses of Outer Space and of Weather Proposal* 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fplatform-military-outer-space-weather&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=29&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> (Platform)
 
12:30pm *Lunch,* Optional caucus meetings 
 
  1:35pm *Announcements, including announcement of Standing Committee 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fcommittees&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=30&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> vacancies, 
Quorum Count*
 
  1:40pm *Discussion: Party Process 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fstate-party-process&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=31&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>* (Coordinating 
Committee) (Coordinating Committee)
 
  2:45pm *Breakout sessions for committees and working groups* (Finance, 
Bylaws, ERWG, Clearinghouse)
 
  4:15pm *Confirmation: **Standing Committee and Working Group 
Co-Coordinators  
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fconfirmation-co-coordinators&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=32&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>* (for 
any committees or working groups not confirmed in morning session)
 
  4:20pm *Closing session* 

If you have questions about any of the agenda items, please contact the 
sponsoring Standing Committee or Working Group at the contact points 
listed at the link above for that agenda item. A list of how many 
delegates alloted per county can be found here 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Fdelegates&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=33&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email>.

Registration is open here 
<https://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/reg_ga_june2013?e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=34&recruiter_id=120557>, 
and will be $40 through June 19 and $45 afterwards, including a vegan, 
non-GMO lunch and light breakfast each day. Information about lodging 
and transportation 
<http://cagreens.nationbuilder.com/r?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cagreens.org%2Fga%2F2013-06%2Flogistics&utm_campaign=ga_2013_napa_ag&n=35&e=9a3141e7526130fbe9374017079886deb24692e4&utm_source=cagreens&utm_medium=email> is 
here. 

We look forward to seeing you in Napa.

Sincerely,

Sanda Everette, Alex Shantz
Co-Coordinators, Coordinating Committee 
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Mon May 13 08:18:05 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:18:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Obama Is At It Again (With No Dem or Rep Opposition
	This Time)
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Message-ID: <1368458285.95869.YahooMailClassic@web122904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>




>From Facebook:
?
Obama's 2014 budget proposal contains a proposal to put time limits and/or work requirements on section 8 housing vouchers for many more counties than currently are allowed to do this. See the link below:
?
John Thielking

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/09/hous-m09.html Here we go again. As I said in my 2011 and 2012 Peacemovies.com booklets and on my web site we would be better off having voted our consciences in the last election (ie Green and Peace and Freedom Parties) and ending up with Romney and a bunch of Tea Party freaks in office instead of Obama. At least then the Democratic opposition would be out in force to prevent this type of cutting of the social safety net, just like what happened to Bush Jr's proposal to privatize Social Security.
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon May 13 10:29:03 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 10:29:03 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] 25th Anniversary next month of Hansen testimony
In-Reply-To: <5191211B.6060309@earthlink.net>
References: <5191211B.6060309@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <519122DF.6080401@earthlink.net>


The 25th anniversary of James Hansen testimony to
Congress about climate change is just next month:
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/24/us/global-warming-has-begun-expert-tells-senate.html

It seems to me that this provides a messaging opportunity!

Gerry

P.S. I don't know for sure whether this was Hansen's
FIRST testimony to Congress, but it seems to be.
http://grist.org/article/a-climate-hero-the-early-years/

P.P.S. This was not the first warning about climate change,
for example:

 From 1977:
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12024&page=R8
"The principal conclusion of this study is that the primary limiting 
factor on energy production from fossil fuels over the next few 
centuries may turn out to be the climatic effects of the release of 
carbon dioxide."


From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Mon May 13 16:55:20 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 16:55:20 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] More WSJ denial
In-Reply-To: <51917BB8.5080609@earthlink.net>
References: <51917BB8.5080609@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <51917D68.7080900@earthlink.net>


FYI,

an article from the Wall Street Journal on why more
Carbon Dioxide is better.  Unfortunately, it is
already old news (from 5/8/13), so probably too late
for LTEs.  Also unfortunately, it has been picked up by
many other websites.

"Harrison H. Schmitt and William Happer: In Defense of Carbon Dioxide"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323528404578452483656067190.html

They are both known deniers:
http://www.desmogblog.com/harrison-schmitt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Schmitt#Climate_Change_Denial

http://www.desmogblog.com/william-happer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Happer#Views_on_global_warming

...

Here's what Climate Progress, (Joe Romm), says about
the article:
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/05/13/1994871/not-the-onion-wall-street-journal-hits-rock-bottom-with-inane-op-ed-urging-more-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide/

Gerry


From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Tue May 14 14:36:25 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:36:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] GP GA Agenda Items and Harvey Milk Club Meeting
	Tonight About Bradley Manning Being Denied Grand Marshal
	Status At The Gay Pride Parade
Message-ID: <1368567385.79006.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?
Please attend the Harvey Milk Club PAC meeting tonight if you can to help organize for overturning the Pride Parade decision to not have Bradley Manning be a grand marshal in the Pride Parade this year. The Pride Parade is scheduled for June 30, 2013.
?
?
The Harvey Milk Club?s Political Action Committee (PAC) meets:
on the 2nd Tuesday of every month
at the LGBT Center, 1800 Market Street, San Francisco
from 7-9pm
?
There is also a Peace Center board meeting tonight 5pm-9pm where we might discuss making plans for a local protest and/or carpools to the Bradley Manning contingent of the Pride Parade.
?
Caroline, 
?
Please put the Pride Parade organizing and/or endorsement on the agenda for this month's GP GA meeting. 
?
Also put on the agenda organizing for and/or endorsement of the May 25th, 2013 March Against Monsanto.
?
Thanks.
?
John Thielking
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue May 14 15:01:52 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:01:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: re: fyi Wed. May 15: National Call-In Day for HR
	676, single payer health care;
	Make a call to Feinstein for immigration reform.
Message-ID: <1368568912.19206.YahooMailClassic@web185302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Tue, 5/14/13, Joan Goddard <joan at rujo.org> wrote:


From: Joan Goddard <joan at rujo.org>
Subject: re: fyi Wed. May 15: National Call-In Day for HR 676, single payer health care; Make a call to Feinstein for immigration reform.
To: "Joan Bazar" <joanbazar at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: PegElwell at aol.com
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013, 9:32 AM


Thanks, Joan! ? I'll send this to our local SPHC coalition and some of the other Bay Area groups' folks. ?Some of them will already know about it but I did not.


Joan G



From: "Joan Bazar" <joanbazar at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:25 AM
To: "Joan Goddard" <joan at rujo.org>, PegElwell at aol.com
Subject: fyi Wed. May 15: National Call-In Day for HR 676, single payer health care; Make a call to Feinstein for immigration reform.



Honda and Lofgren are among the cosponsors!


-------- Original Message -------- 



Subject: 
[BayArea LC4PJ] Wed. May 15: National Call-In Day for HR 676, single payer health care; Make a call to Feinstein for immigration reform.

Date: 
Mon, 13 May 2013 20:45:52 -0700

From: 
Labor Cmte. for Peace & Justice <labor-for-peace-and-justice at igc.org>

Reply-To: 
bay_area_lc4pj at lists.riseup.net,"Labor Cmte. for Peace & Justice" <labor-for-peace-and-justice at igc.org>

To: 
bay_area_lc4pj at lists.riseup.net

Wed. May 15:? National Call-In Day for HR 676, single payer health care


The All Unions Committee for Single Payer Health Care?HR 676 is pleased to
join with a number of progressive organizations and individuals to support
a nationwide call-in day on Wednesday, May 15, 2013, to increase awareness
and co-sponsors in Congress for HR 676.

The call-in day was initiated by Progressive Democrats of America (PDA).

Please take a moment on Wednesday, May 15th to make a call in support of
Rep. John Conyers' HR 676 "Expanded and Improved Medicare for All" bill
which currently has 42 co-sponsors.

Go here to call your Congressperson:

http://hq-salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/1987/p/dia/action/public/index.sjs?action_KEY=9658


More than 600 unions have endorsed HR 676.? When we take action together,
we can break down the corporate barriers that have prevented the
democratic will of the people from bringing health care to everyone. 
Winning more cosponsors is a beginning.

For more information on Conyers' bill, including cosponsors and text, go here

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr676


We must challenge Congress and the nation to move forward to single-payer
health care, enhanced Medicare for All. That's why we're backing
Representative John Conyers bill H.R. 676, that would establish a
non-profit, universal, single-payer health care program, an improved
"Medicare for All" act.

Please use this link to call your Congressperson:

http://hq-salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/1987/p/dia/action/public/index.sjs?action_KEY=9658



PDA will also include HR 676 in its monthly letter-drop to Congress. 
Details for the letter-drop are here:
http://www.pdacommunity.org/issues/educate-congress

Congressman John Conyers, Jr., is a member of the National Advisory Board
of Progressive Democrats of America, PDA, and speaks highly of PDA:

"As the second-longest-serving Democrat in the House of Representatives, I
know what I am talking about when I say that no one has worked harder on
the issues protecting Social Security, fighting for a full employment
economy and national health care both inside and outside the Democratic
Party, than PDA."


PDA and others are planning for more events in conjunction with the
upcoming date of July 30th, the 48th anniversary of the passage of
Medicare--our own publicly-financed, universal health care plan, which
lifted a generation of seniors out of poverty.


Please ask your congressperson to cosponsor HR 676 by using this link:

http://hq-salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/1987/p/dia/action/public/index.sjs?action_KEY=9658


Among the supporters of this national call-in day are:


Quentin Young, M.D. - Single Payer Activist
Thom Hartmann - National TV and Radio Host / Best-Selling Author
Jean Ross - National Nurses United (NNU)
Mark Dudzic - Labor Campaign For Single Payer
Robert Score - IATSE-Local 1
Willie Adams - International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU)
Kay Tillow - All Unions Committee for Single Payer Health Care--HR 676
Tim Carpenter - Progressive Democrats of America (PDA)
Mimi Kennedy, Chair, Progressive Democrats of America (PDA)
Donna Smith - Chair, Healthcare not Warfare Campaign
Benjamin Day - Healthcare NOW!
Ture Turnbull - MassCare
Maria Svat - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)


Distributed by:
All Unions Committee for Single Payer Health Care--HR 676
c/o Nurses Professional Organization (NPO)
1169 Eastern Parkway, Suite 2218
Louisville, KY 40217
(502) 636 1551

Email: nursenpo at aol.com
http://unionsforsinglepayer.org
5/14/13
============================================================================

Make a call to Feinstein for immigration reform.

 ?


As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, your senator has particular influence on the bipartisan Senate proposal for immigration reform, S. 744. In a series of meetings over the next few weeks, the committee will vote on amendments that could shift this legislation significantly. And you can have a say about the amendments being considered. 

Tomorrow, May 14, the committee will consider amendments on the sections of the bill related to visas for workers. Please take action on Tuesday, May 14. Call your senator's office and encourage support of amendments that would protect immigrant workers. Urge opposition to amendments that would hurt those workers. You can find the phone number of your senator's office below as well as a more detailed sample script you can use to make your call.

These calls are very important. We have heard from Senate staff that they track and report the calls they get from constituents for and against each amendment. 


First, Find the Phone Number for Your Senator(s) on the Judiciary Committee

Alabama: Senator Sessions: (202) 224-4124
Arizona: Senator Flake: (202) 224-4521
California: Senator Feinstein: (202) 224-3841
Connecticut: Senator Blumenthal: (202) 224-2823
Delaware: Senator Coons: (202) 224-5042
Hawaii: Senator Hirono: (202) 224-6361
Illinois: Senator Durbin: (202) 224-2152
Iowa: Senator Grassley: (202) 224-3744
Minnesota: Senator Klobuchar: (202) 224-3244 and Senator Franken: (202) 224-5641
New York: Senator Schumer: (202) 224-6542
South Carolina: Senator Graham: (202) 224-5972
Texas: Senator Cornyn: (202) 224-2934 and Senator Cruz: (202) 224-5922
Utah: Senator Hatch: (202) 224-5251 and Senator Lee: (202) 224-5444
Vermont: Senator Leahy: (202) 224-4242


Then, Make Your CallBelow is a sample script for your call. The amendments are explained at the end of this email. We've listed each amendment with the sponsor's name and a number (for example Leahy #2). Please refer to the amendments in that way. If you get a voicemail box, please leave a message.

I live in CA, and I urge the senator to SUPPORT the amendment called "Schumer #5, and all of the amendments being offered by Senator Blumenthal, because these amendments would protect immigrant workers. 

I also urge the senator to OPPOSE amendments that would hurt immigrant workers - which I understand to be Lee #19, Hatch #19 and #20, and Grassley #73 and #74.

We will let you know as more important amendments come up in these Judiciary Committee. You probably won't want to contact your senator every time, but we hope you will weigh in on provisions that matter most to you.


Do You Tweet?You can also contact your senator on Twitter. Use the hashtags #CIRmarkup or #SJC (Senate Judiciary Committee), when you send your message to your senator: @SenatorLeahy, @SenFeinstein, @ChuckSchumer, @SenatorDurbin, @SenWhitehouse, @amyklobuchar, @alfranken, @ChrisCoons, @SenBlumenthal, @maziehirono, @ChuckGrassley, @OrrinHatch, @SenatorSessions, @LindseyGrahamSC, @JohnCornyn, @SenMikeLee, @tedcruz, @JeffFlake


About the AmendmentsFCNL is working with our faith colleagues in Washington to support amendments that fix our broken immigration system and protect the rights of all workers and to oppose amendments that would make things worse. Find out more about our work on immigration.


Amendments to SupportSenator Blumenthal's Amendments #7, #13, #17, and #18 

These amendments would ban hiring discrimination based on national origin or citizenship status, provide whistleblower protections for temporary workers, ensure workers have the right to a pay stub so that they can prove employment status for the pathway to citizenship, and codify current Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) policy restricting immigration enforcement actions where labor violations have been cited, so a threat of raids won't keep workers from reporting abuse.

Senator Schumer's Amendment #5

This amendment would help workers change employers without the risk of losing their visa, and would provide an electronic monitoring system for the program.


Amendments to OpposeSenator Lee's Amendment #19 and Senator Hatch's Amendments #19 and #20

These amendments would exempt employers of temporary workers from complying with labor and employment laws, thus allowing them to violate the rights of temporary workers; and would limit the ability of individuals and groups from submitting a complaint about worker's mistreatment on behalf of a mistreated temporary worker.

Senator Grassley's Amendments #73 & #74

These amendments would restrict temporary workers (new "W" visa recipients) from renewing their visas, and would require all temporary workers to provide proof that they can and are paying for their own health insurance, which could effectively prevent almost all temporary workers from entering the U.S.

Thank you for your advocacy.

 

 Ruth Flower
Associate Executive Secretary for Legislative Program



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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue May 14 15:21:44 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350 SV Chat] Dan Kammen speaking June 4 in Mtn
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From: Debbie Mytels <debbiem at acterra.org>
Subject: [350 SV Chat] Dan Kammen speaking June 4 in Mtn View
To: Evanhughesphd at aol.com
Cc: kaforrest at earthlink.net, 350-silicon-valley-chat at googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, May 13, 2013, 9:52 PM



Hi Evan and Kate -- Thanks for sharing this info.


BTW, if you want to hear more from Berkeley's Dan Kammen, Acterra has invited Prof. Dan Kammen from UC Berkeley to give our final "Beyond Fossil Fuels" lecture on June 4, 7:30 - 9 pm in Mountain View.


Dan Kammen's topic will be "New Energy for a New Era" -- and there will be lots of time for Q & A.


Location: ?Offices of Fenwick & West
101 California St. downtown Mountain View
Just a few blocks from the CalTrain station.


The program is free, but please RSVP to??membership at acterra.org?or 650-962-9876 x346.


Please spread the word to your friends!


Cheers,


Debbie Mytels









On May 13, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Evanhughesphd at aol.com wrote:



Yes, Kate has noted an excellent program.? I just heard it also, at 8-9pm tonight Mon the 13th.? The three panelists are:
?
1. Amy Meyers-Jaffee of UC Davis (formerly of Rice U.)
?
2. Daniel Kammen of UC Berkeley
?
3. Matt Rogers a Director at McKinsey and Company
?
The moderator is Peter Robertson of the World Affairs Council
?
Evan
?
?
In a message dated 5/13/2013 8:55:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kaforrest at earthlink.net writes:


I?m listening to NPR (KQED)?a World Affairs Council program called ?It?s Your World.? It?s a panel discussion among three experts in the energy field about the energy future, with a lot of attention to what?s going on and should be going on in the US.?. . . 

Kate

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Acterra: Action for a Healthy Planet
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue May 14 15:29:30 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:29:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350 SV Chat] OFA climate change planning session
	in Los Altos
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--- On Mon, 5/13/13, grossman_mark_s at yahoo.com <grossman_mark_s at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: grossman_mark_s at yahoo.com <grossman_mark_s at yahoo.com>
Subject: [350 SV Chat] OFA climate change planning session in Los Altos
To: 350-silicon-valley-chat at googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, May 13, 2013, 5:05 PM


Just got this email (and RSVP'd).? Let's go!


Climate change is a real, serious problem -- and OFA has a big role to play in changing the conversation on it in Congress.

We simply can't make any headway as long as there are lawmakers who deny the science behind this issue. It'll be on us to lead the charge, rallying around members of Congress who are trying to make a difference, and calling out the ones who need a heavy dose of reality. 

And it all boils down to the local level. 

That's why supporters in Los Altos are getting together this Wednesday to talk about strategy for this work in your community -- and with your members of Congress. You should be there -- RSVP today.

Here are the details:


What: Climate change planning session in Los Altos

Where: 97 Hillview Avenue
Los Altos, CA 94022

When: Wednesday, May 15th
6:00 pm



You and your neighbors will be making concrete plans for OFA's first National Day of Action on climate change, as well as talking through a longer-term strategy for organizing in Los Altos.

If you want to get in on the ground floor of this campaign, this is the planning session to be at -- don't miss it.

RSVP now:

http://my.barackobama.com/Climate-Change-Planning-Session

Thanks,

Ivan

Ivan Frishberg
Climate Campaign Manager
Organizing for Action 

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Tue May 14 22:02:04 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:02:04 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Tax Reform Website
Message-ID: <519316CC.4070406@earthlink.net>


There is a website for taking public input on "tax reform".
The names at the top are Max Baucus and Dave Camp.

https://taxreform.gov/

Gerry



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Wed May 15 00:48:44 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 00:48:44 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Economic snafu?
In-Reply-To: <516E515F.8060902@earthlink.net>
References: <516E515F.8060902@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <51933DDC.4000606@earthlink.net>


It's now one month after the Herndon, Ash, Pollin (HAP)
paper,
http://www.peri.umass.edu/236/hash/31e2ff374b6377b2ddec04deaa6388b1/publication/566/ 
,
was released showing errors and controversial
aspects of the Reinhart Rogoff paper,
http://www.reinhartandrogoff.com/related-research/growth-in-a-time-of-debt-featured-in 
.

The conversation continues among those concerned about
economic matters.  Opinions range from "austerity is
dead" to "nothing has changed".

I am still shocked that such basic errors could go
undetected for over 3 years, despite the importance
of the paper in the real world.

I think Paul Krugman has a fairly good explanation
in the New York Review of Books.  It's a bit long,
but I think well worth it, considering the topic.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/jun/06/how-case-austerity-has-crumbled/

...

I think the story of how the errors came to light is
interesting.

Apparently it was not easy to get the data:
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/not-following-professional-ethics-matters-also

I think how Herndon (a graduate student) found the errors
is interesting and funny:
http://www.businessinsider.com/thomas-herndon-replication-exercise-2013-4
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/425749/april-23-2013/austerity-s-spreadsheet-error---thomas-herndon

Gerry


Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> FYI,
>
> A few articles about how US and world economic policy
> discussions include some basic errors.
>
> "Economists: Sorry About That Mass Unemployment"
> http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/economists-sorry-about-that-mass-unemployment.html
>
>
> "How an Excel error fueled panic over the federal debt"
> http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-debt-excel-error-20130416,0,4073638.story
>
>
> "UPDATE 1-Influential economic study on austerity may be flawed"
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/global-economy-debt-idUSL2N0D32AU20130416
>
>
> If you want to know more, try a search for "debt 90 gdp".
>
> Offhand, it seems that this should cause a reevaluation
> of economic policy.
>
> Gerry
>


From danasg at greens.org  Sat May 11 17:08:28 2013
From: danasg at greens.org (Dana St. George)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 17:08:28 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Sign this to help save the bees
Message-ID: <518EDD7C.5090507@greens.org>

Honey Bees are dying at an alarming rate, and this winter marked the worst losses by far. 
Last week, the European Union took a major step to protect our bee population ? placing a 
two year ban on the pesticides thought to be responsible - but the U.S. is still finding 
excuses for inaction. Sign this petition urging the EPA to take action now:

http://act.credoaction.com/sign/eu_ban/?sp_ref=.4.75.e.0.2&referrer_akid=7878.2004755.VN9lcn&source=mailto_sp


Dana St. George
SCCGP


From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Wed May 15 11:59:21 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 11:59:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: ACTION ALERT FROM MOTHERS FOR PEACE AND NIRS
Message-ID: <1368644361.69736.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

FYI.

--- On Wed, 5/15/13, Elaine Holder <elaineholder at att.net> wrote:


From: Elaine Holder <elaineholder at att.net>
Subject: ACTION ALERT FROM MOTHERS FOR PEACE AND NIRS
To: 
Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2013, 11:31 AM







MOTHERS FOR PEACE URGES YOU TO ?SIGN THIS NIRS PETITION.












6930 Carroll Avenue, #340, Takoma Park, MD 20912; 301-270-6477; nirsnet at nirs.org; www.nirs.org



Tell The EPA:

Its "Protective Action Guidelines" Are Not Protective And Must be Abandoned

Strengthen Radiation Protection Standards Instead!
May 15, 2013

Dear Friends,

The threat of terrorism, nuclear power reactor disaster and other nuclear accidents looms large in the world. Governments need to plan for disaster but should also work to prevent disasters that cannot be adequately cleaned up and remediated. We should not run the risk of sacrificing enormous areas if and when nuclear contamination--deliberate, accidental or otherwise--strikes. 

The Environmental Protection Agency has recently revised its "Protective Action Guidelines" (PAGs) that would be used during and following a nuclear disaster. These PAGs are basically admitting that contamination levels could be so high from such an event that they may not be able to be cleaned up to existing standards such as the drinking water contamination levels. Thus, EPA would permit unacceptably high radiation risks at each of the stages after nuclear disaster without even suggesting any steps to prevent or minimize the potential disasters.

These PAGs already have caused a public outcry. Check out this article to get an idea of what EPA officials really think about you and your safety:? "Speaking at a March 12 symposium hosted by the Defense Strategies Institute, Paul Kudarauskas, of the EPA Consequence Management Advisory Team, said events like Fukushima would cause a ?fundamental shift? to cleanup. U.S. residents are used to having ?cleanup to perfection,? but will have to abandon their ?not in my backyard? mentality in such cases, Kudarauskas said. ?People are going to have to put their big boy pants on and suck it up.?

Tell the EPA to strengthen, not weaken, its PAGs and radiation protection standards generally. Act here.

EPA is, in a sense, ?pre-approving? exorbitant allowable contamination levels, first for unusual and rarer events like a nuclear power reactor meltdown and explosion, but also? for other more routine and potentially frequent disaster such as transport accidents, which will be more common if the major campaign to move irradiated nuclear power fuel (high level radioactive waste) from nuclear reactors to consolidated interim storage sites begins. High ?acceptable? contamination and exposures for dirty bomb scenarios are being morphed into regular allowable levels with the nation?s drinking water protection first on the chopping block. Next, the EPA PAGs are shoe-horning in the publicly rejected plan to allow radioactive waste to go to regular trash and be sent to contaminate recycling supplies.

Comments on the EPA PAGs are being accepted through July 15, 2013. So there is plenty of time for you to act, and to encourage your friends, colleagues, family members, social networks and the like to comment as well.

There are two ways to comment:

1) Send an e-mail directly to EPA through NIRS site here. You will be able to edit the sample letter (which is also shown below). However, as is the case with all government rulemaking comments, your e-mail address becomes part of your comment and can be viewed.

2) Comment at the regulations.gov website here. However, you will have to write your own comments, or copy and paste the sample letter shown below.

Note: NIRS is working with other groups and will be preparing much more comprehensive comments for organizational sign-on before July 15. We will let groups know when these are ready for sign-on. In the meantime, we encourage and hope everyone will take a moment to weigh in personally!

Thanks for all you do,
Michael Mariotte
Executive Director
Nuclear Information and Resource Service
www.nirs.org
nirsnet at nirs.org
P.S. Your activism and financial support are what make our work possible. Please consider making a tax-deductible donation here, or after you take action, and receive the gifts of both our undying gratitude and a stronger movement for a nuclear-free carbon-free future. Contributors of $35 or more will also receive a one-year subscription to our international publication, The Nuclear Monitor, delivered via e-mail.
Sample comment letter to EPA:
Docket ID No. EPA HQ-OAR-2007-0268 

I oppose the EPA Protective Action Guides (PAGS) because they threaten the public with unacceptably high ?allowable? radiation levels that simply do not protect us. 

The PAGS admit that the amount of radioactive waste from a nuclear power disaster could be much greater than the nuclear disposal capacity in the county! So prevent the disaster instead of permitting much of that waste to be sent to regular trash, setting the precedent for doing this routinely.

Don?t use the threat of nuclear power and terrorists to justify increasing drinking water contamination thousands of times or more! Maintain or strengthen the drinking water standards. Don?t even consider reducing them so that less cleanup would be needed.

Keep, or make more protective, the action levels for doses to the thyroid (a highly radio-sensitive organ) and the skin that are already in place. The 2013 EPA PAGs do away with this protection.

Remove the automatic acceptance of very high food and water contamination levels (higher than being used in Japan after Fukushima) incorporated from 1998 Food and Drug Administration and 2008 Homeland Security PAGs.
Sincerely,
your name

Stay Informed:







NIRS on the web (stay up-to-date with the Nuclear Newsreel section on the front page, featuring the day's most interesting news on nuclear power and other energy issues): http://www.nirs.org
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:29:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?"
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 09:59:45 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
Message-ID: <1368723585.12473.YahooMailClassic@web122904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?
I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:
?
http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto
?
which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking
?
PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable.
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From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 10:46:12 2013
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
In-Reply-To: <1368723585.12473.YahooMailClassic@web122904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1368723585.12473.YahooMailClassic@web122904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368726372.99891.YahooMailNeo@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

John, please, please, please do not post on our email list wild allegations (ie. "disinfomation") about our allied organizations on topics which you have no an expertise based on brief web searches. ?David Cobb the co-founder of Move To Amend is our much respected, extremely dynamic Green Party 2004 Presidential nominee, a very good person whom I've spoken to several times in person and a fabulous speaker. ?He is one of the most important assets we have in the Green Party and we let's face it -- we don't have an overabundance of assets. ?David and Move To Amend deserve benefit of the doubt and we don't need one of us to waste our energy attacking our allies on our party email list. ?Please try to maintain our harmonic focus on constructively working in coalition with each other and our allies.

Green is GO!

Drew

~*~*~*~
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http://greenshadowcabinet.us

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>________________________________
> From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59 AM
>Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
> 
>
>
>Hello,
>?
>I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:
>?
>http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto
>?
>which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.
>?
>Sincerely,
>?
>John Thielking
>?
>PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable. 
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 10:56:39 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
In-Reply-To: <1368726372.99891.YahooMailNeo@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368726999.67611.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

This is not a wild allegation.? I had this impression about what was said at the board meeting before doing a web search.? It was my recollection that the Vermont legislative process was stalled when it came to passing a GMO labeling law because they were afraid of being sued, not because they had actually been sued.? I do believe it was Richard Hobbs who spoke at the meeting. All I have done is back up my recollection, imperfect as it may be, with a simple web search.? The article is dated March 2013 so I think it pretty much covers all?the bases as far as I'm concerend.? And yes I do expect an expert such as Richard Hobbs to be better versed in the facts, especially in this case. Thank you for your concern.
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 10:46 AM





John, please, please, please do not post on our email list wild allegations (ie. "disinfomation") about our allied organizations on topics which you have no an expertise based on brief web searches. ?David Cobb the co-founder of Move To Amend is our much respected, extremely dynamic Green Party 2004 Presidential nominee, a very good person whom I've spoken to several times in person and a fabulous speaker. ?He is one of the most important assets we have in the Green Party and we let's face it -- we don't have an overabundance of assets. ?David and Move To Amend deserve benefit of the doubt and we don't need one of us to waste our energy attacking our allies on our party email list. ?Please try to maintain our harmonic focus on constructively working in coalition with each other and our allies.



Green is GO!


Drew


~*~*~*~
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http://greenshadowcabinet.us

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From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation








Hello,
?
I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:
?
http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto
?
which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking
?
PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable.
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 11:03:18 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:03:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend
	Disinformation/Misinformation
In-Reply-To: <1368724745.87249.YahooMailNeo@web125002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368727398.74055.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>



--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Kerri Hamilton <kerrihamilton2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Kerri Hamilton <kerrihamilton2004 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
To: "SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com" <SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 10:19 AM



? 




Also, it isn't a GMO labeling case, but it is about labeling Bovine Growth Hormone, which is required to be labeled in many other nations. I believe it's the International Dairy case. The San Jose Mercury News just did a related food labeling Op/Ed in support of legislation co-sponsored by Senator Boxer, btw.









From: Kerri Hamilton <kerrihamilton2004 at yahoo.com>
To: "SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com" <SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com>; "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation





John,

I don't know who was speaking, but I believe that this is one of the cases identified by members including lawyers who participated in the IRATE project as a case where a corporation used a Constitutional "right" assigned by the courts to overturn a law. I wasn't a part of that project and haven't studied the details of the cases that were analyzed, so I'm not sure if it was one of the cases that went all the way to the Supreme Court or if it was a ruling by a lower court based upon prior decision(s). Judy or someone else involved with that project might be able to tell you definitively.

Kerri









From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation




? 





Hello,
?
I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:
?
http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto
?
which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking
?
PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable.




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From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 11:08:03 2013
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:08:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
In-Reply-To: <1368726999.67611.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1368726372.99891.YahooMailNeo@web125406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1368726999.67611.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368727683.89522.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

John when you use hyperbole like "Disinformation" (and right in the title no less) it is indeed a wild allegation and against our allies no less (and many of us are active in Move To Amend. Disinformation is malicious and undertaken to harm so you are alleging
our allies are untrustworthy and actively working to harm our community. ?On the contrary your posting with wild allegations against our allies is more likely to be misinformation than whatever an ally else actually said since you are no expert on these matters. ?

Our party email list is not a place for wild allegations against our allies. ?Please stop.
?
Green is GO!s

Drew

~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ?  First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd




>________________________________
> From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Drew <RainbeauFriend at yahoo.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
> 
>
>
>This is not a wild allegation.? I had this impression about what was said at the board meeting before doing a web search.? It was my recollection that the Vermont legislative process was stalled when it came to passing a GMO labeling law because they were afraid of being sued, not because they had actually been sued.? I do believe it was Richard Hobbs who spoke at the meeting. All I have done is back up my recollection, imperfect as it may be, with a simple web search.? The article is dated March 2013 so I think it pretty much covers all?the bases as far as I'm concerend.? And yes I do expect an expert such as Richard Hobbs to be better versed in the facts, especially in this case. Thank you for your concern.
>?
>John Thielking
>
>--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
>>To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 10:46 AM
>>
>>
>>John, please, please, please do not post on our email list wild allegations (ie. "disinfomation") about our allied organizations on topics which you have no an expertise based on brief web searches. ?David Cobb the co-founder of Move To Amend is our much respected, extremely dynamic Green Party 2004 Presidential nominee, a very good person whom I've spoken to several times in person and a fabulous speaker. ?He is one of the most important assets we have in the Green Party and we let's face it -- we don't have an overabundance of assets. ?David and Move To Amend deserve benefit of the doubt and we don't need one of us to waste our energy attacking our allies on our party email list. ?Please try to maintain our harmonic focus on constructively working in coalition with each other and our allies.
>>
>>
>>Green is GO!
>>
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>
>>~*~*~*~
>>Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
>>http://greenshadowcabinet.us
>>
>>Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
>>Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
>>? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>>>To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59 AM
>>>Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>?
>>>I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:
>>>?
>>>http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto
>>>?
>>>which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.
>>>?
>>>Sincerely,
>>>?
>>>John Thielking
>>>?
>>>PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable. 
>>>_______________________________________________
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 11:54:15 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 11:54:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend [snip]/Misinformation
In-Reply-To: <1368727683.89522.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368730455.41057.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Drew,
?
I apologize if my use of the term Disinformation seemed to you to be insulting. I don't know if you are on the SCC Move To Amend General list but the discussion on that list has so far stuck to the facts without denouncing me for making a personal attack or something against Richard Hobbs.? The facts mentioned by Judy Young and others back up my assertion that the case that should have been referred to was the Rbhg case argued before an appellate federal court, not the Supreme Court and not a GMO labeling case before the Supreme Court.? I think that if we in the movement can't develop thicker skins we are doomed to fail, regardless of what happens to people like me. Take care.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 11:08 AM





John when you use hyperbole like "Disinformation" (and right in the title no less) it is indeed a wild allegation and against our allies no less (and many of us are active in Move To Amend. Disinformation is malicious and undertaken to harm so you are alleging

our allies are untrustworthy and actively working to harm our community. ?On the contrary your posting with wild allegations against our allies is more likely to be misinformation than whatever an ally else actually said since you are no expert on these matters. ?


Our party email list is not a place for wild allegations against our allies. ?Please stop.
?
Green is GO!s


Drew


~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd








From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Drew <RainbeauFriend at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation








This is not a wild allegation.? I had this impression about what was said at the board meeting before doing a web search.? It was my recollection that the Vermont legislative process was stalled when it came to passing a GMO labeling law because they were afraid of being sued, not because they had actually been sued.? I do believe it was Richard Hobbs who spoke at the meeting. All I have done is back up my recollection, imperfect as it may be, with a simple web search.? The article is dated March 2013 so I think it pretty much covers all?the bases as far as I'm concerend.? And yes I do expect an expert such as Richard Hobbs to be better versed in the facts, especially in this case. Thank you for your concern.
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 10:46 AM





John, please, please, please do not post on our email list wild allegations (ie. "disinfomation") about our allied organizations on topics which you have no an expertise based on brief web searches. ?David Cobb the co-founder of Move To Amend is our much respected, extremely dynamic Green Party 2004 Presidential nominee, a very good person whom I've spoken to several times in person and a fabulous speaker. ?He is one of the most important assets we have in the Green Party and we let's face it -- we don't have an overabundance of assets. ?David and Move To Amend deserve benefit of the doubt and we don't need one of us to waste our energy attacking our allies on our party email list. ?Please try to maintain our harmonic focus on constructively working in coalition with each other and our allies.



Green is GO!


Drew


~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd








From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation








Hello,
?
I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:
?
http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto
?
which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking
?
PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable.
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 12:20:37 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 12:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend [snip]/Misinformation
In-Reply-To: <1368730455.41057.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368732037.57372.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Also, this just in, in one part of the discussion on the MTA list (forwarded to me with attachements so it didn't go to the whole list) it was asserted that the Rbgh case was declined to be heard by the Supreme Court, letting the appellate court ruling stand. I'm not sure if that means that the case decision is now the law of the land or only applies in the apellate district.
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend [snip]/Misinformation
To: "Drew" <RainbeauFriend at yahoo.com>
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 11:54 AM







Drew,
?
I apologize if my use of the term Disinformation seemed to you to be insulting. I don't know if you are on the SCC Move To Amend General list but the discussion on that list has so far stuck to the facts without denouncing me for making a personal attack or something against Richard Hobbs.? The facts mentioned by Judy Young and others back up my assertion that the case that should have been referred to was the Rbhg case argued before an appellate federal court, not the Supreme Court and not a GMO labeling case before the Supreme Court.? I think that if we in the movement can't develop thicker skins we are doomed to fail, regardless of what happens to people like me. Take care.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 11:08 AM





John when you use hyperbole like "Disinformation" (and right in the title no less) it is indeed a wild allegation and against our allies no less (and many of us are active in Move To Amend. Disinformation is malicious and undertaken to harm so you are alleging

our allies are untrustworthy and actively working to harm our community. ?On the contrary your posting with wild allegations against our allies is more likely to be misinformation than whatever an ally else actually said since you are no expert on these matters. ?


Our party email list is not a place for wild allegations against our allies. ?Please stop.
?
Green is GO!s


Drew


~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd








From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Drew <RainbeauFriend at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation








This is not a wild allegation.? I had this impression about what was said at the board meeting before doing a web search.? It was my recollection that the Vermont legislative process was stalled when it came to passing a GMO labeling law because they were afraid of being sued, not because they had actually been sued.? I do believe it was Richard Hobbs who spoke at the meeting. All I have done is back up my recollection, imperfect as it may be, with a simple web search.? The article is dated March 2013 so I think it pretty much covers all?the bases as far as I'm concerend.? And yes I do expect an expert such as Richard Hobbs to be better versed in the facts, especially in this case. Thank you for your concern.
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 10:46 AM





John, please, please, please do not post on our email list wild allegations (ie. "disinfomation") about our allied organizations on topics which you have no an expertise based on brief web searches. ?David Cobb the co-founder of Move To Amend is our much respected, extremely dynamic Green Party 2004 Presidential nominee, a very good person whom I've spoken to several times in person and a fabulous speaker. ?He is one of the most important assets we have in the Green Party and we let's face it -- we don't have an overabundance of assets. ?David and Move To Amend deserve benefit of the doubt and we don't need one of us to waste our energy attacking our allies on our party email list. ?Please try to maintain our harmonic focus on constructively working in coalition with each other and our allies.



Green is GO!


Drew


~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd








From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation








Hello,
?
I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:
?
http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto
?
which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking
?
PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable.
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 12:23:30 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend
	[snip]/Misinformation
In-Reply-To: <000001ce5266$49e26a40$dda73ec0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1368732210.54980.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Also, this just in, in one part of the discussion on the MTA list (forwarded to me with attachements so it didn't go to the whole list) it was asserted that the Rbgh case was declined to be heard by the Supreme Court, letting the appellate court ruling stand. I'm not sure if that means that the case decision is now the law of the land or only applies in the apellate district.
?
John Thielking


--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Brian Carr <napo2 at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Brian Carr <napo2 at verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com, sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 11:50 AM



? 





Thanks, Judy.? It was the Federal Appellate Court which actually overturned the District Court Judge who had ruled that the people of Vermont had the right to know what was in their food.
?


From: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy Young
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:37 AM
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
?
? 




In the interest of making sure the facts are completely accurate, the International Dairy Foods Association v. Amestoy is a federal Court of Appeals case in the Second Circuit.

Here is the information about the case from Findlaw:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1210635.html

?

United States Court of Appeals,Second Circuit.

?

INTERNATIONAL DAIRY FOODS ASSOCIATION MIF v. AMESTOY

INTERNATIONAL DAIRY FOODS ASSOCIATION; ?Milk Industry Foundation (MIF); ?International Ice Cream Association; ?National Cheese Institute; ?Grocery Manufacturers of America, Inc. and National Food Processors Association, Plaintiffs-Appellants, v. Jeffrey L. AMESTOY, as Attorney General of the State of Vermont and Leon C. Graves, Commissioner of Agriculture, Food and Markets of the State of Vermont, Defendants-Appellees.

No.?876, Docket 95-7819.

Argued Nov. 2, 1995. -- August 08, 1996

?

?






From: Brian Carr <napo2 at verizon.net>
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation

?


? 



For those who have a copy of Jeffrey Clements? ?Corporations are not People,? he has a long discussion of the case,? International Dairy Foods Assoc. v Amestoy (1996), in which the Federal District Court struck down the Vermont Law based on the corporation? s First Amendment rights.? (Pages 39-45 in Clements? book.) 

?

Since Bovine Growth Hormone is associated with higher incidence of some cancers as well as the increase in anti-biotic resistant bacteria, and is banned in most advanced countries of the world, telling the people of Vermont that they didn?t even have the right to know that this substance was in their food, ?is one of the most dramatic examples of how extending constitutional rights to corporations has taken away fundamental rights of people.

?



From: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com [mailto:SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerri Hamilton
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:19 AM
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation

?

? 





Also, it isn't a GMO labeling case, but it is about labeling Bovine Growth Hormone, which is required to be labeled in many other nations. I believe it's the International Dairy case. The San Jose Mercury News just did a related food labeling Op/Ed in support of legislation co-sponsored by Senator Boxer, btw.


?


?







From: Kerri Hamilton <kerrihamilton2004 at yahoo.com>
To: "SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com" <SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com>; "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation


?




John,

I don't know who was speaking, but I believe that this is one of the cases identified by members including lawyers who participated in the IRATE project as a case where a corporation used a Constitutional "right" assigned by the courts to overturn a law. I wasn't a part of that project and haven't studied the details of the cases that were analyzed, so I'm not sure if it was one of the cases that went all the way to the Supreme Court or if it was a ruling by a lower court based upon prior decision(s). Judy or someone else involved with that project might be able to tell you definitively.

Kerri


?


?







From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: [SCC-MTA-General] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation


?



? 







Hello,


?


I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:


?


http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto


?


which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.


?


Sincerely,


?


John Thielking


?


PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable.

?

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu May 16 13:08:00 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:08:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
Message-ID: <1368734880.33635.YahooMailClassic@web185305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

When something on our discussion list devolves into a personal contention, I think those involved should address their postings to each other rather than to the entire list.
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From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 13:18:59 2013
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:18:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend [snip]/Misinformation
In-Reply-To: <1368730455.41057.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1368727683.89522.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1368730455.41057.YahooMailClassic@web122905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368735539.88725.YahooMailNeo@web125401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

John yes it was the use of the term "disinformation" in regards to our ally, Move To Amend that prompted my concern and thank you for addressing my concern. ?

I must also say that since I learned about the legal fiction of "corporate personhood" in 1985 taking a class in Jurisprudence at CU Boulder for my undergrad Political Science Degree you are the first and only person I have ever met who defends this concept, a concept which to me and every other person (including many Greens) I've ever heard speak about it is entirely odious.
?
Green is GO!

Drew

~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ?  First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd




>________________________________
> From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>To: Drew <RainbeauFriend at yahoo.com> 
>Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:54 AM
>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend [snip]/Misinformation
> 
>
>
>Drew,
>?
>I apologize if my use of the term Disinformation seemed to you to be insulting. I don't know if you are on the SCC Move To Amend General list but the discussion on that list has so far stuck to the facts without denouncing me for making a personal attack or something against Richard Hobbs.? The facts mentioned by Judy Young and others back up my assertion that the case that should have been referred to was the Rbhg case argued before an appellate federal court, not the Supreme Court and not a GMO labeling case before the Supreme Court.? I think that if we in the movement can't develop thicker skins we are doomed to fail, regardless of what happens to people like me. Take care.
>?
>Sincerely,
>?
>John Thielking
>
>--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
>>To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 11:08 AM
>>
>>
>>John when you use hyperbole like "Disinformation" (and right in the title no less) it is indeed a wild allegation and against our allies no less (and many of us are active in Move To Amend. Disinformation is malicious and undertaken to harm so you are alleging
>>our allies are untrustworthy and actively working to harm our community. ?On the contrary your posting with wild allegations against our allies is more likely to be misinformation than whatever an ally else actually said since you are no expert on these matters. ?
>>
>>
>>Our party email list is not a place for wild allegations against our allies. ?Please stop.
>>?
>>Green is GO!s
>>
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>
>>~*~*~*~
>>Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
>>http://greenshadowcabinet.us
>>
>>Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
>>Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
>>? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>>>To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Drew <RainbeauFriend at yahoo.com> 
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:56 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not a wild allegation.? I had this impression about what was said at the board meeting before doing a web search.? It was my recollection that the Vermont legislative process was stalled when it came to passing a GMO labeling law because they were afraid of being sued, not because they had actually been sued.? I do believe it was Richard Hobbs who spoke at the meeting. All I have done is back up my recollection, imperfect as it may be, with a simple web search.? The article is dated March 2013 so I think it pretty much covers all?the bases as far as I'm concerend.? And yes I do expect an expert such as Richard Hobbs to be better versed in the facts, especially in this case. Thank you for your concern.
>>>?
>>>John Thielking
>>>
>>>--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
>>>>To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>>>Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 10:46 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John, please, please, please do not post on our email list wild allegations (ie. "disinfomation") about our allied organizations on topics which you have no an expertise based on brief web searches. ?David Cobb the co-founder of Move To Amend is our much respected, extremely dynamic Green Party 2004 Presidential nominee, a very good person whom I've spoken to several times in person and a fabulous speaker. ?He is one of the most important assets we have in the Green Party and we let's face it -- we don't have an overabundance of assets. ?David and Move To Amend deserve benefit of the doubt and we don't need one of us to waste our energy attacking our allies on our party email list. ?Please try to maintain our harmonic focus on constructively working in coalition with each other and our allies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Green is GO!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Drew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>~*~*~*~
>>>>Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
>>>>http://greenshadowcabinet.us
>>>>
>>>>Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
>>>>Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
>>>>? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
>>>>>To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59 AM
>>>>>Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>?
>>>>>I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:
>>>>>?
>>>>>http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto
>>>>>?
>>>>>which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.
>>>>>?
>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>?
>>>>>John Thielking
>>>>>?
>>>>>PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable. 
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
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From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 13:22:21 2013
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:22:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
In-Reply-To: <1368734880.33635.YahooMailClassic@web185305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1368734880.33635.YahooMailClassic@web185305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368735741.3155.YahooMailNeo@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

If it is only about personalities (which this is not) I agree with this sentiment, however just as any false or harmful statement made in public against others it needs to be challenged also in public.
?
Green is GO!

Drew

~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ?  First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd




>________________________________
> From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM
>Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
> 
>
>
>When something on our discussion list devolves into a personal contention, I think those involved should address their postings to each other rather than to the entire list.
>Caroline 
>_______________________________________________
>sosfbay-discuss mailing list
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 13:53:22 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 13:53:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend [snip]/Misinformation
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Drew,
?
It has been awhile since I looked at the question of corporate personhood in detail. Refer to my page on Facebook called Small Businesses Are People Too for my detailed proposal about a 28th amendment that addresses the appropriate level of rights that large vs small businesses should have. Even the MTA amendment has an exception to corps not having rights when it comes to free speech, though the Occupy people may have a more stict proposal in mind.?Free speech is a tough question to answer with a 28th amendment in a way that would protect GMO labeling laws while not trampling the rights of small business owners to advertise or otherwise speak (publish newspapers or books for instance) as they see fit. I still have a problem with the 4th amendment implications of the MTA 28th amendment as you well know. As for me being the only one to object, I recall that I only got into a heated argument with one person about my "Hey Wait Small Businesses Are People
 Too" flier at the MTA rally in January a couple of years ago now.
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend [snip]/Misinformation
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Cc: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 1:18 PM





John yes it was the use of the term "disinformation" in regards to our ally, Move To Amend that prompted my concern and thank you for addressing my concern. ?


I must also say that since I learned about the legal fiction of "corporate personhood" in 1985 taking a class in Jurisprudence at CU Boulder for my undergrad Political Science Degree you are the first and only person I have ever met who defends this concept, a concept which to me and every other person (including many Greens) I've ever heard speak about it is entirely odious.

?
Green is GO!


Drew


~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd








From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: Drew <RainbeauFriend at yahoo.com> 
Cc: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend [snip]/Misinformation








Drew,
?
I apologize if my use of the term Disinformation seemed to you to be insulting. I don't know if you are on the SCC Move To Amend General list but the discussion on that list has so far stuck to the facts without denouncing me for making a personal attack or something against Richard Hobbs.? The facts mentioned by Judy Young and others back up my assertion that the case that should have been referred to was the Rbhg case argued before an appellate federal court, not the Supreme Court and not a GMO labeling case before the Supreme Court.? I think that if we in the movement can't develop thicker skins we are doomed to fail, regardless of what happens to people like me. Take care.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 11:08 AM





John when you use hyperbole like "Disinformation" (and right in the title no less) it is indeed a wild allegation and against our allies no less (and many of us are active in Move To Amend. Disinformation is malicious and undertaken to harm so you are alleging

our allies are untrustworthy and actively working to harm our community. ?On the contrary your posting with wild allegations against our allies is more likely to be misinformation than whatever an ally else actually said since you are no expert on these matters. ?


Our party email list is not a place for wild allegations against our allies. ?Please stop.
?
Green is GO!s


Drew


~*~*~*~
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http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
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From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Drew <RainbeauFriend at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation








This is not a wild allegation.? I had this impression about what was said at the board meeting before doing a web search.? It was my recollection that the Vermont legislative process was stalled when it came to passing a GMO labeling law because they were afraid of being sued, not because they had actually been sued.? I do believe it was Richard Hobbs who spoke at the meeting. All I have done is back up my recollection, imperfect as it may be, with a simple web search.? The article is dated March 2013 so I think it pretty much covers all?the bases as far as I'm concerend.? And yes I do expect an expert such as Richard Hobbs to be better versed in the facts, especially in this case. Thank you for your concern.
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation
To: "John Thielking" <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>, "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 10:46 AM





John, please, please, please do not post on our email list wild allegations (ie. "disinfomation") about our allied organizations on topics which you have no an expertise based on brief web searches. ?David Cobb the co-founder of Move To Amend is our much respected, extremely dynamic Green Party 2004 Presidential nominee, a very good person whom I've spoken to several times in person and a fabulous speaker. ?He is one of the most important assets we have in the Green Party and we let's face it -- we don't have an overabundance of assets. ?David and Move To Amend deserve benefit of the doubt and we don't need one of us to waste our energy attacking our allies on our party email list. ?Please try to maintain our harmonic focus on constructively working in coalition with each other and our allies.



Green is GO!


Drew


~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd








From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: SCC-MTA-General at yahoogroups.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Move To Amend Disinformation/Misinformation








Hello,
?
I was at the board meeting of the San Jose Peace and Justice Center a couple of days ago when a rep from Move To Amend stated that the GMO labeling law in Vermont had been struck down by the US Supreme Court on the grounds that corporations have "negative free speech rights" allowing them to not state something on a food label if they so choose. I did an Internet search for any info on this and could only find this article:
?
http://www.alternet.org/food/why-vermonts-governor-peter-shumlin-bowing-monsanto
?
which states that Vermont's governor is bowing to Monsanto because he fears that a GMO labeling law will be struck down just as the rgbh labeling law was struck down, but in fact no such Supreme Court decision has been made, not even in the case of the Rbgh labeling law. Please keep your facts straight when discussing the pros and cons of corporate personhood. Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking
?
PS: If such a GMO labeling law were struck down on the basis of negative free speech rights, this could throw out ALL of the requirements that food have ingredient and nutrition labels, which just seems laughable.
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Thu May 16 14:06:11 2013
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 14:06:11 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
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Hi, Drew, John, et al.:


On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:
> If it is only about personalities (which this is not) I agree with 
> this sentiment, however just as any false or harmful statement made in 
> public against others it needs to be challenged also in public.


       I see two problems here:


             1.  One persons "facts" are another's potentially "false or 
harmful statements".


             2.  Sometimes the more I say, the less I communicate. This 
is particularly true with a long string of emails in the same thread in 
a list like this.  I haven't paid a lot of attention to this thread 
other than to see that Drew and John each have strong positions about 
something -- and the issues are easily misunderstood, because an email 
thread like this is a very poor tool for promoting understanding and 
reconciliation.


       Would Drew and John mind moving this discussion to Wikiversity 
under the "Broad political discourse" initiative I'm trying to start 
there (http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse)? In 
this forum, I would ask the discussion to be organized like a table with 
three columns with titles something like "heterodox" and "orthodox" with 
"research needed" between the two.  This would allow each side to 
present their case with the supporting evidence and the other to raise 
questions about the evidence.  With a little luck, after some formal 
analysis and organization of evidence, you can develop a consensus 
statement that could then be reposted back to the group.


       I can provide technical assistance in creating a Wikiversity page 
for this and helping answer questions about the Wikimedia markup 
language so the discussion is actually productive, and it is easier to 
understand the different positions, the evidence behind same, and how a 
consensus might be reached.


       Spencer

> Green is GO!
>
> Drew
>
> ~*~*~*~
> Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow 
> Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
> http://greenshadowcabinet.us 
> <http://greenshadowcabinet.us/about-green-shadow-cabinet-united-states>
> Dr. Stein's Campaign website:  http://www.jillstein.org/
> Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
>     First TV Ad http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>     *To:* sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM
>     *Subject:* [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
>
>     When something on our discussion list devolves into a personal
>     contention, I think those involved should address their postings
>     to each other rather than to the entire list.
>     Caroline
>
>
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 14:43:46 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 14:43:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
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Message-ID: <1368740626.18716.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Since both Drew and I are friends on Facebook, Drew could simply post rebuttals on my page Small Businesses Are People Too. Then we can get back to you with the results.? How about that instead?
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com> wrote:


From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
To: "Drew" <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Cc: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 2:06 PM




Hi, Drew, John, et al.:? 


On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:



If it is only about personalities (which this is not) I agree with this sentiment, however just as any false or harmful statement made in public against others it needs to be challenged also in public.

????? I see two problems here: ? 


??? ??????? 1.? One persons "facts" are another's potentially "false or harmful statements".? 


??? ??????? 2.? Sometimes the more I say, the less I communicate.? This is particularly true with a long string of emails in the same thread in a list like this.? I haven't paid a lot of attention to this thread other than to see that Drew and John each have strong positions about something -- and the issues are easily misunderstood, because an email thread like this is a very poor tool for promoting understanding and reconciliation.? 


????? Would Drew and John mind moving this discussion to Wikiversity under the "Broad political discourse" initiative I'm trying to start there (http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse)?? In this forum, I would ask the discussion to be organized like a table with three columns with titles something like "heterodox" and "orthodox" with "research needed" between the two.? This would allow each side to present their case with the supporting evidence and the other to raise questions about the evidence.? With a little luck, after some formal analysis and organization of evidence, you can develop a consensus statement that could then be reposted back to the group.? 


????? I can provide technical assistance in creating a Wikiversity page for this and helping answer questions about the Wikimedia markup language so the discussion is actually productive, and it is easier to understand the different positions, the evidence behind same, and how a consensus might be reached.? 


????? Spencer 




?
Green is GO!


Drew


~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd








From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention








When something on our discussion list devolves into a personal contention, I think those involved should address their postings to each other rather than to the entire list.
Caroline
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Thu May 16 14:54:51 2013
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 14:54:51 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
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On 5/16/2013 2:43 PM, John Thielking wrote:
> Since both Drew and I are friends on Facebook, Drew could simply post 
> rebuttals on my page Small Businesses Are People Too. Then we can get 
> back to you with the results.  How about that instead?
>


       That works for me.  Thanks.  Spencer

> John Thielking
>
> --- On *Thu, 5/16/13, Spencer Graves /<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>/* 
> wrote:
>
>
>     From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>     Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
>     To: "Drew" <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>     Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 2:06 PM
>
>     Hi, Drew, John, et al.:
>
>
>     On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:
>>     If it is only about personalities (which this is not) I agree
>>     with this sentiment, however just as any false or harmful
>>     statement made in public against others it needs to be challenged
>>     also in public.
>
>
>           I see two problems here:
>
>
>                 1.  One persons "facts" are another's potentially
>     "false or harmful statements".
>
>
>                 2.  Sometimes the more I say, the less I communicate. 
>     This is particularly true with a long string of emails in the same
>     thread in a list like this.  I haven't paid a lot of attention to
>     this thread other than to see that Drew and John each have strong
>     positions about something -- and the issues are easily
>     misunderstood, because an email thread like this is a very poor
>     tool for promoting understanding and reconciliation.
>
>
>           Would Drew and John mind moving this discussion to
>     Wikiversity under the "Broad political discourse" initiative I'm
>     trying to start there
>     (http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse)? In
>     this forum, I would ask the discussion to be organized like a
>     table with three columns with titles something like "heterodox"
>     and "orthodox" with "research needed" between the two.  This would
>     allow each side to present their case with the supporting evidence
>     and the other to raise questions about the evidence.  With a
>     little luck, after some formal analysis and organization of
>     evidence, you can develop a consensus statement that could then be
>     reposted back to the group.
>
>
>           I can provide technical assistance in creating a Wikiversity
>     page for this and helping answer questions about the Wikimedia
>     markup language so the discussion is actually productive, and it
>     is easier to understand the different positions, the evidence
>     behind same, and how a consensus might be reached.
>
>
>           Spencer
>
>>     Green is GO!
>>
>>     Drew
>>
>>     ~*~*~*~
>>     Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green
>>     Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
>>     http://greenshadowcabinet.us
>>     <http://greenshadowcabinet.us/about-green-shadow-cabinet-united-states>
>>     Dr. Stein's Campaign website: http://www.jillstein.org/
>>     Climate Voter Power Pledge:
>>     http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
>>         First TV Ad http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd
>>
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         *From:* Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>         <http://us.mc1229.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>         *To:* sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>         <http://us.mc1229.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>
>>         *Sent:* Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM
>>         *Subject:* [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
>>
>>         When something on our discussion list devolves into a
>>         personal contention, I think those involved should address
>>         their postings to each other rather than to the entire list.
>>         Caroline
>>
>>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
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From rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 15:16:02 2013
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com (Drew)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:16:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
In-Reply-To: <51954A43.9020904@prodsyse.com>
References: <1368734880.33635.YahooMailClassic@web185305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1368735741.3155.YahooMailNeo@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<51954A43.9020904@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <1368742562.43648.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Sure, that sounds like a great idea Spencer. ?Thanks for the creative input!
?
Green is GO!

Drew

~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ?  First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd




>________________________________
> From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>To: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> 
>Cc: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>; "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
> 
>
>
>Hi, Drew, John, et al.:? 
>
>
>On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:
>
>If it is only about personalities (which this is not) I agree with this sentiment, however just as any false or harmful statement made in public against others it needs to be challenged also in public.
>
>????? I see two problems here: ? 
>
>
>??? ??????? 1.? One persons "facts" are another's potentially "false
    or harmful statements".? 
>
>
>??? ??????? 2.? Sometimes the more I say, the less I communicate.?
    This is particularly true with a long string of emails in the same
    thread in a list like this.? I haven't paid a lot of attention to
    this thread other than to see that Drew and John each have strong
    positions about something -- and the issues are easily
    misunderstood, because an email thread like this is a very poor tool
    for promoting understanding and reconciliation.? 
>
>
>????? Would Drew and John mind moving this discussion to Wikiversity
    under the "Broad political discourse" initiative I'm trying to start
    there (http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse)?? In this forum, I would ask the discussion to be organized like a table with three columns with titles something like "heterodox" and "orthodox" with "research needed" between the two.? This would allow each side to present their case with the supporting evidence and the other to raise questions about the evidence.? With a little luck, after some formal analysis and organization of evidence, you can develop a consensus statement that could then be reposted back to the group.? 
>
>
>????? I can provide technical assistance in creating a Wikiversity
    page for this and helping answer questions about the Wikimedia
    markup language so the discussion is actually productive, and it is
    easier to understand the different positions, the evidence behind
    same, and how a consensus might be reached.? 
>
>
>????? Spencer 
>
>
>?
>>Green is GO!
>>
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>
>>~*~*~*~
>>Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
>>http://greenshadowcabinet.us
>>
>>Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
>>Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
>>? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>>>To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>When something on our discussion list devolves into a personal contention, I think those involved should address their postings to each other rather than to the entire list.
>>>Caroline 
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>>>sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>>>http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 15:40:42 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:40:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Anybody but Cindy Chavez
Message-ID: <1368744042.59718.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I live in District 2 in San Jose and I have received more campaign mailers from Cindy Chavez for the June 4th special election than any of her competitors for the Board of Supervisors seat that she is running for.? Just today, I received TWO huge?mailers for Cindy Chavez. What a waste of paper!? The only other candidates?who had?mailers were Teresa Alvarado, who sent a 1/2 or 1/4?sized mailer and David Wall who sent a door hanger.? That was much more efficient on paper and got their messages across just fine.
?
As far as politics go, Chavez had a sit down lunch conversation with the District Attorney Jeff Rosen about the indicted/deposed supervisor George Shirakawa Jr where it was alleged by the Metro newspaper that she made political threats. In my view Chavez is way too buddy buddy with Shirakawa and/or trying to please his supporters in attempt to win his old supervisor seat.
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu May 16 16:45:59 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:45:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
In-Reply-To: <1368740626.18716.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1368747959.30707.YahooMailClassic@web185306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Now we're having a contention about the best way to solve the contention. That was not my intention :-)

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
To: "Drew" <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>, "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Cc: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 2:43 PM







Since both Drew and I are friends on Facebook, Drew could simply post rebuttals on my page Small Businesses Are People Too. Then we can get back to you with the results.? How about that instead?
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com> wrote:


From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
To: "Drew" <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com>
Cc: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 2:06 PM




Hi, Drew, John, et al.:? 


On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:



If it is only about personalities (which this is not) I agree with this sentiment, however just as any false or harmful statement made in public against others it needs to be challenged also in public.

????? I see two problems here: ? 


??? ??????? 1.? One persons "facts" are another's potentially "false or harmful statements".? 


??? ??????? 2.? Sometimes the more I say, the less I communicate.? This is particularly true with a long string of emails in the same thread in a list like this.? I haven't paid a lot of attention to this thread other than to see that Drew and John each have strong positions about something -- and the issues are easily misunderstood, because an email thread like this is a very poor tool for promoting understanding and reconciliation.? 


????? Would Drew and John mind moving this discussion to Wikiversity under the "Broad political discourse" initiative I'm trying to start there (http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse)?? In this forum, I would ask the discussion to be organized like a table with three columns with titles something like "heterodox" and "orthodox" with "research needed" between the two.? This would allow each side to present their case with the supporting evidence and the other to raise questions about the evidence.? With a little luck, after some formal analysis and organization of evidence, you can develop a consensus statement that could then be reposted back to the group.? 


????? I can provide technical assistance in creating a Wikiversity page for this and helping answer questions about the Wikimedia markup language so the discussion is actually productive, and it is easier to understand the different positions, the evidence behind same, and how a consensus might be reached.? 


????? Spencer 




?
Green is GO!


Drew


~*~*~*~
Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us

Dr. Stein's Campaign website:? http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
? ? First TV Ad?http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd








From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention








When something on our discussion list devolves into a personal contention, I think those involved should address their postings to each other rather than to the entire list.
Caroline
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From paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com  Thu May 16 16:50:10 2013
From: paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com (Paul Engstrom)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 16:50:10 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
Message-ID: <CAP6v2kyt1WSC9aeh3LxeVWN0aTScgEm4mJk_LkhQ7xJ=9XQbaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I felt this anti- Chavez,essage i  n  a Green forum not suitablei

More appropiate would be" Disclosure ""|of endorsers and reference to
candidates i potitical statements and past political history and
experience

Paul Engstrom.


From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 17:02:08 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:02:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
In-Reply-To: <CAP6v2kyt1WSC9aeh3LxeVWN0aTScgEm4mJk_LkhQ7xJ=9XQbaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1368748928.32915.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

If you are going to critique free speech, at least take the time to spell correctly and make complete sentences.
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 4:50 PM


I felt this anti- Chavez,essage i? n? a Green forum not suitablei

More appropiate would be" Disclosure ""|of endorsers and reference to
candidates i potitical statements and past political history and
experience

Paul Engstrom.
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 16 17:46:22 2013
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:46:22 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] county supervisor sidewalk office hours
Message-ID: <51957DDE.1010303@sbcglobal.net>


County Supervisor Joe Simitian

Dear Friends,

Twelve years ago, as a freshman legislator in the State Assembly,
I started hosting "sidewalk office hours" to help me stay in touch with 
constituents.
This served two important purposes. You got to ask me questions and get 
straight
answers; and, I could take your ideas and concerns with me to Sacramento.

Since being sworn in earlier this year as a Santa Clara County 
Supervisor, I have
been studying up on the pressing issues facing our County. Now, I'd like 
to hear
from my constituents about their priorities. To make that possible, I'm 
once again
holding sidewalk office hours this year.

These informal conversations take place at local farmers' markets 
throughout the district.
No appointment is needed, so you can just stop by and chat. The times 
and locations
for this weekend's events are below. Be sure to keep an eye out for 
future emails with
additional dates and locations. Also, you can find me on Facebook 
<http://cts.vresp.com/c/?SupervisorJoeSimitia/7ecab8c4ea/fbe1d6eaec/c47183ceb8>!

I look forward to seeing you throughout the coming months.

Stay in touch,
Joe
County Supervisor Joe Simitian
Fifth District


Saturday, May 18th
10:00 ? 11:30 a.m.
Sunnyvale Farmers? Market
Murphy Ave in downtown Sunnyvale

Sunday, May 19th
10:00 ? 11:30 a.m.
Mountain View Farmers' Market
Mountain View Caltrain Station





From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu May 16 17:57:25 2013
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 17:57:25 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
In-Reply-To: <1368742562.43648.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1368734880.33635.YahooMailClassic@web185305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<1368735741.3155.YahooMailNeo@web125403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,
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	<1368742562.43648.YahooMailNeo@web125404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY165-W33BF1F741021EF5E9FC6739EAC0@phx.gbl>

    "Disinformation" is a loaded term because it implies that someone is deliberately
seeking to deceive, i.e., some kind of "agent". 

     In the Truth movement we had a lot of ugly wrangling because the movement 
attracted more than its share of "imaginative" (and sometimes downright wacko) 
types, and we'd have trust issues if that new guy taking notes at the meetings had 
hair that was too long or too short or whatever somebody wanted to get anxious about.  
And some of us remembered the paranoid stories of infiltrating agents provocateur in 
the antiwar movement in the seventies, and remembered that when the Frank Church 
Commission looked into Cointelpro it turned out that most of those stories were true.  

    And then many of us saw no need to go beyond what had been in the NYT and WaPo, 
and we felt that those who wanted to push their colorful (and sometimes very goofy) 
conspiracy theories were at the least irresponsible, and maybe worse.  When after 
long, patient discussion they still insisted that those squishy brown things they were 
putting in the punch bowl were tootsie rolls, we questioned their motives and their 
sincerity.  Were they deliberately trying to make us look bad?  It sure looked that way
sometimes.  But if we took steps to try to reduce their influence, they'd insist that we
were government agents trying to cover up the fact that they'd got the key to the
Crime of the Century and By God nobody was going to take their place in history away 
from them!   (One of these clowns, who thought it was cute to advocate arson and 
armed insurrection and bigoted conspiracy theories, still maintains a web page where 
he suggests that I might be a room full of government operatives.)

   But ultimately most of us learned not to speculate about people's motives, and instead 
to focus on disruptive behaviors.  A very thoughtful bunch of activists came up with some
guidelines to that effect.   http://www.truthmove.org/content/2008-declaration/

  With respect to Move to Amend, I tend to feel that the goal of a Constitutional 
Amendment may be somewhat impractical, but the same can be said for the goal of 
putting Jill Stein in the White House.  In the meantime it's a good nexus for organizing,
and the San Jose meetings are well attended.

   I heard the talking point John's talking about (Supreme Court ruling establishing
corporate right not to speak) brought up at the MtA rally in Palo Alto.  I'd assumed
this had something to do with San Francisco's ordinance requiring cell phone retailers
to disclose health concerns, but apparently not.  It seems to involve whether the NLRB 
can require employers to post information about their labor organizing rights.
https://movetoamend.org/court-rules-corporate-right-not-speak-trumps-workers-right-information4

  As to David Cobb, I was inspired by his talk at the Humanist Society in Palo Alto
a year or so back ( I think Gerry and Andrea and Carol and Dana were there), so 
much inspired that I downloaded the one-hour video and started cutting it into
an 8-minute version.   http://vimeo.com/29985937

What had most excited me were two pretty mind-blowing claims:

1. That the Boston Tea Party was not really a protest against taxes but rather a 
protest against tax BREAKS granted to the East India Company 

2. That at the time of the Constitutional Convention only 5% of the population 
of the USA qualified to vote (you had to be male, white, and a property owner).

I was disappointed to find that verifying these claims was taking more time than 
I was willing to spend.  I dropped the project.  If anybody can verify those claims, 
I'd pick up again, but life is too short for "Because  Thom Hartmann says so, that's 
how I know!"  

B








 




  




    
     







   



  












Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:16:02 -0700
From: rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com
To: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com
CC: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention

Sure, that sounds like a great idea Spencer.  Thanks for the creative input! Green is GO!
Drew
~*~*~*~Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala leading
 the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green New Deal for America
http://greenshadowcabinet.us
Dr. Stein's Campaign website:  http://www.jillstein.org/
Climate Voter Power Pledge: http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests
     First TV Ad http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd

        From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
 To: Drew <rainbeaufriend at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>; "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org> 
 Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 2:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention
   

  

    
  
  
    Hi, Drew, John, et al.:  

      

      

      On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:

    
    
      
        If it is only about personalities (which this is not)
            I agree with this sentiment, however just as any false or
            harmful statement made in public against others it needs to
            be challenged also in public.
      
    
    

    

          I see two problems here:   

    

    

                1.  One persons "facts" are another's potentially "false
    or harmful statements".  

    

    

                2.  Sometimes the more I say, the less I communicate. 
    This is particularly true with a long string of emails in the same
    thread in a list like this.  I haven't paid a lot of attention to
    this thread other than to see that Drew and John each have strong
    positions about something -- and the issues are easily
    misunderstood, because an email thread like this is a very poor tool
    for promoting understanding and reconciliation.  

    

    

          Would Drew and John mind moving this discussion to Wikiversity
    under the "Broad political discourse" initiative I'm trying to start
    there (http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse)? 
    In this forum, I would ask the discussion to be organized like a
    table with three columns with titles something like "heterodox" and
    "orthodox" with "research needed" between the two.  This would allow
    each side to present their case with the supporting evidence and the
    other to raise questions about the evidence.  With a little luck,
    after some formal analysis and organization of evidence, you can
    develop a consensus statement that could then be reposted back to
    the group.  

    

    

          I can provide technical assistance in creating a Wikiversity
    page for this and helping answer questions about the Wikimedia
    markup language so the discussion is actually productive, and it is
    easier to understand the different positions, the evidence behind
    same, and how a consensus might be reached.  

    

    

          Spencer 

    

    
      
         
        Green is GO!
        

        
        Drew
        

        
        ~*~*~*~
        Dr. Jill Stein and Cheri
          Honkala leading the 100 member Green Shadow Cabinet to A Green
          New Deal for America

          http://greenshadowcabinet.us

        
        Dr. Stein's Campaign
          website:  http://www.jillstein.org/

          Climate Voter Power Pledge:
          http://www.jillstein.org/dc_climate_protests

              First TV Ad http://tinyurl.com/JillStein1stAd

        
        

          
            
              
                
                    From:
                    Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>

                    To:
                    sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
                    

                    Sent:
                    Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM

                    Subject:
                    [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention

                   
                

                  
                    
                      
                        
                          
                            When something on our discussion list
                              devolves into a personal contention, I
                              think those involved should address their
                              postings to each other rather than to the
                              entire list.
                            Caroline
                          
                        
                      
                    
                  
                  

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President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com

  



      
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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 16 18:06:59 2013
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 18:06:59 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda item - Juneteenth
Message-ID: <519582B3.70708@sbcglobal.net>

I received a phone call from AACSA asking if the Green Party
[of Santa Clara County] is going to participate in the Juneteenth
event this year, Saturday and Sunday June 15-th and 16-th.

YES, they called us!   YES, they called us!

so please make Juneteenth tabling one of the agenda items
for next Thursday.

Jim Doyle


From perrysandy at aol.com  Thu May 16 19:04:00 2013
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 22:04:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
In-Reply-To: <1368748928.32915.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1368748928.32915.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D020B9EEA57F84-16C0-3321D@webmail-m245.sysops.aol.com>


I am not experienced enough on this list to know what is appropriate to it or not. But since the issue of Cindy Chavez was raised, I believe it is important to respond. Cindy was one of the key leaders to support the increase of San Jose's minimum wage to $10 an hour, as well as a supporter many other key issues to the lives of working people, including health care and immigrant rights. She has only one serious opponent, Teresa Alvarado. Unfortunately, Ms. Alvarado has aligned herself with the Mayor, every other anti-union politician in San Jose, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Republican Party. It is true that Cindy has sent out a lot of mailers, but perhaps it is because she feels it is necessary to respond to the DAILY slams against her that appear in the Mercury News and Metro. These two papers have open contempt for the poor and those who work for a living - both had the nerve to OPPOSE increasing the minimum wage, as they apparently preferred to see the people who serve them in restaurants and clean their homes go hungry and homeless.

I do not agree with Cindy on many issues - she is far too "Democratic Party" for my taste. But I disagree with allying with the right which is trying to block election of a pro-union person to the Board of Supervisors. Where there is a good Green alternative, I am fine with rejecting the lesser of two evils. But this not the case in this campaign, so I have put a Cindy Chavez sign in my front yard.


Sandy Perry


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If you are going to critique free speech, at least take the time to spell correctly and make complete sentences.
 
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 4:50 PM


I felt this anti- Chavez,essage i  n  a Green forum not suitablei

More appropiate would be" Disclosure ""|of endorsers and reference to
candidates i potitical statements and past political history and
experience

Paul Engstrom.
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From leedobell at aol.com  Thu May 16 21:19:25 2013
From: leedobell at aol.com (Leedobell)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:19:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
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Thank you Sandy for that clear and well reasoned response.
Caroline


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Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss


I am not experienced enough on this list to know what is appropriate to it or not. But since the issue of Cindy Chavez was raised, I believe it is important to respond. Cindy was one of the key leaders to support the increase of San Jose's minimum wage to $10 an hour, as well as a supporter many other key issues to the lives of working people, including health care and immigrant rights. She has only one serious opponent, Teresa Alvarado. Unfortunately, Ms. Alvarado has aligned herself with the Mayor, every other anti-union politician in San Jose, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Republican Party. It is true that Cindy has sent out a lot of mailers, but perhaps it is because she feels it is necessary to respond to the DAILY slams against her that appear in the Mercury News and Metro. These two papers have open contempt for the poor and those who work for a living - both had the nerve to OPPOSE increasing the minimum wage, as they apparently preferred to see the people who serve them in restaurants and clean their homes go hungry and homeless.
 
I do not agree with Cindy on many issues - she is far too "Democratic Party" for my taste. But I disagree with allying with the right which is trying to block election of a pro-union person to the Board of Supervisors. Where there is a good Green alternative, I am fine with rejecting the lesser of two evils. But this not the case in this campaign, so I have put a Cindy Chavez sign in my front yard.
 
 
Sandy Perry


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From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss




If you are going to critique free speech, at least take the time to spell correctly and make complete sentences.
 
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 4:50 PM


I felt this anti- Chavez,essage i  n  a Green forum not suitablei

More appropiate would be" Disclosure ""|of endorsers and reference to
candidates i potitical statements and past political history and
experience

Paul Engstrom.
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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu May 16 21:38:07 2013
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:38:07 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
In-Reply-To: <8D020CCD893529C-16C0-33A8C@webmail-m245.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1368748928.32915.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>,
	<8D020B9EEA57F84-16C0-3321D@webmail-m245.sysops.aol.com>,
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Message-ID: <BAY165-W4CEC29285C5270722434C9EAC0@phx.gbl>

I have had the privilege to meet Paul Engstrom in my work with Move to Amend and
the California Clean Money campaign.  He is a long-time activist and a great guy and
if, like a lot of us over 50, his keyboard challenges him a bit by the end of the afternoon,
so be it.  

He deserves respect and courtesy--and gratitude for all he's done over the decades--from
all of us.

Brian 


To: perrysandy at aol.com; pagesincolor at yahoo.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com
From: leedobell at aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:19:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss


Thank you Sandy for that clear and well reasoned response.

Caroline





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To: pagesincolor <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>; sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; paulmaryengstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>

Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 7:04 pm

Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss










I am not experienced enough on this list to know what is appropriate to it or not. But since the issue of Cindy Chavez was raised, I believe it is important to respond. Cindy was one of the key leaders to support the increase of San Jose's minimum wage to $10 an hour, as well as a supporter many other key issues to the lives of working people, including health care and immigrant rights. She has only one serious opponent, Teresa Alvarado. Unfortunately, Ms. Alvarado has aligned herself with the Mayor, every other anti-union politician in San Jose, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Republican Party. It is true that Cindy has sent out a lot of mailers, but perhaps it is because she feels it is necessary to respond to the DAILY slams against her that appear in the Mercury News and Metro. These two papers have open contempt for the poor and those who work for a living - both had the nerve to OPPOSE increasing the minimum wage, as they apparently preferred to see the people who serve them in restaurants and clean their homes go hungry and homeless.



 



I do not agree with Cindy on many issues - she is far too "Democratic Party" for my taste. But I disagree with allying with the right which is trying to block election of a pro-union person to the Board of Supervisors. Where there is a good Green alternative, I am fine with rejecting the lesser of two evils. But this not the case in this campaign, so I have put a Cindy Chavez sign in my front yard.



 



 



Sandy Perry











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From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>


To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>


Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 5:02 pm


Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss













If you are going to critique free speech, at least take the time to spell correctly and make complete sentences.




 




John Thielking





--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com> wrote:








From: Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>


Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss


To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org


Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 4:50 PM








I felt this anti- Chavez,essage i  n  a Green forum not suitablei





More appropiate would be" Disclosure ""|of endorsers and reference to


candidates i potitical statements and past political history and


experience





Paul Engstrom.


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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu May 16 22:11:27 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 22:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
In-Reply-To: <BAY165-W4CEC29285C5270722434C9EAC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1368767487.5121.YahooMailClassic@web185306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Everybody--even Rush Limbaugh--deserves our courtesy. Discourtesy is a reflection on the perpetrator, not the target.
Caroline

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>, "paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com" <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 9:38 PM






I have had the privilege to meet Paul Engstrom in my work with Move to Amend and
the California Clean Money campaign.? He is a long-time activist and a great guy and
if, like a lot of us over 50, his keyboard challenges him a bit by the end of the afternoon,
so be it.? 

He deserves respect and courtesy--and gratitude for all he's done over the decades--from
all of us.

Brian 





To: perrysandy at aol.com; pagesincolor at yahoo.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com
From: leedobell at aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:19:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss


Thank you Sandy for that clear and well reasoned response.
Caroline


-----Original Message-----
From: perrysandy <perrysandy at aol.com>
To: pagesincolor <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>; sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; paulmaryengstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss



I am not experienced enough on this list to know what is appropriate to it or not. But since the issue of Cindy Chavez was raised, I believe it is important to respond. Cindy was one of the key leaders to support the increase of San Jose's minimum wage to $10 an hour, as well as a supporter many other key issues to the lives of working people, including health care and?immigrant rights. She has only one serious opponent, Teresa Alvarado. Unfortunately, Ms. Alvarado has aligned herself with the Mayor, every other anti-union politician in San Jose, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Republican Party. It is true that Cindy has sent out a lot of mailers, but perhaps it is because she feels it is necessary to respond to the DAILY slams against her that appear in the Mercury News and Metro. These two papers have open contempt for the poor and those who work for a living - both had the nerve to OPPOSE increasing the minimum wage, as they apparently preferred to
 see the people who serve them in restaurants and clean their homes go hungry and homeless.
?
I do not agree with Cindy on many issues - she is far too "Democratic Party" for my taste. But I disagree with allying with the right which is trying to?block election of?a pro-union person to the Board of Supervisors. Where there is a good Green alternative, I am fine with rejecting the lesser of two evils. But this not the case in this campaign, so I have put a Cindy Chavez sign in my front yard.
?
?
Sandy Perry


-----Original Message-----
From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss







If you are going to critique free speech, at least take the time to spell correctly and make complete sentences.
?
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 4:50 PM


I felt this anti- Chavez,essage i? n? a Green forum not suitablei

More appropiate would be" Disclosure ""|of endorsers and reference to
candidates i potitical statements and past political history and
experience

Paul Engstrom.
_______________________________________________
sosfbay-discuss mailing list
sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu May 16 22:19:50 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350SiliconValley] Interested in helping organize
	the 6/6 protest at the Obama Fundraiser in Palo Alto?
Message-ID: <1368767990.63144.YahooMailClassic@web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Pierre Delforge <pedelforge at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Pierre Delforge <pedelforge at gmail.com>
Subject: [350SiliconValley] Interested in helping organize the 6/6 protest at the Obama Fundraiser in Palo Alto?
To: 350siliconvalley at googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 8:25 PM


The Keystone XL protest at the Obama fundraiser in Palo Alto on June 6 is shaping up to be BIG!?
350.org national, CREDO, Friends of the Earth, Sierra Club, Center for Biological Diversity and local 350 Bay Area groups are already partnering on the organization.?



The coalition is looking for additional volunteers to help organize.


If you are interested in helping organize this 6/6 protest, please contact me and I will connect you with the organizers.


If you just want to participate in the event itself, please RSVP at?http://www.350siliconvalley.org/obama_kxl_protest


Let's raise the KXL stakes again, to ensure the President understands our determination on KXL, and the media keep our Stop KXL campaign in the national conversation!


Onward!


Pierre



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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Thu May 16 22:30:11 2013
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 22:30:11 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW:  Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
In-Reply-To: <BAY165-W288D7771AB39001804272A9EAC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY165-W4CEC29285C5270722434C9EAC0@phx.gbl>,
	<1368767487.5121.YahooMailClassic@web185306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<BAY165-W288D7771AB39001804272A9EAC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY165-W2815CE7B89CB5DEE1F91E39EAC0@phx.gbl>



I agree that everyone deserves the presumption of courtesy--including Lush Rimbaud,
as long as he restricts himself to courteously expressing opinions.

Some people IMHO forfeit their presumptive courtesy.  Unrepentant criminals, such as 
Karl Rove and Condi Rice and Nancy Pelosi and George Bush and Barack Obama, do not 
deserve courtesy.  They deserve to be loudly denounced wherever they go until they 
repent of their crimes.  

William Rodriguez, the 9/11 fraudster who travels around the world with a hero story
he stole from a true hero who died on 9/11, deserves no courtesy.

Internet bullies who persistently pursue tactics of intimidation and lies and libel deserve
no courtesy.  Jesus tells us "unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the 
other" but it doesn't take very long before you run out of cheeks, and Jesus doesn't say
what you do then.

Responding in kind has the unfortunate effect of shortening your fuse, but knuckling under 
to bullies is worse because it kills your soul.



Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 22:11:27 -0700
From: carolineyacoub at att.net
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com; snug.bug at hotmail.com

Everybody--even Rush Limbaugh--deserves our courtesy. Discourtesy is a reflection on the perpetrator, not the target.
Caroline

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>, "paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com" <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 9:38 PM






I have had the privilege to meet Paul Engstrom in my work with Move to Amend and
the California Clean Money campaign.  He is a long-time activist and a great guy and
if, like a lot of us over 50, his keyboard challenges him a bit by the end of the afternoon,
so be it.  

He deserves respect and courtesy--and gratitude for all he's done over the decades--from
all of us.

Brian 





To: perrysandy at aol.com; pagesincolor at yahoo.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com
From: leedobell at aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:19:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss


Thank you Sandy for that clear and well reasoned response.
Caroline


-----Original Message-----
From: perrysandy <perrysandy at aol.com>
To: pagesincolor <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>; sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; paulmaryengstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss



I am not experienced enough on this list to know what is appropriate to it or not. But since the issue of Cindy Chavez was raised, I believe it is important to respond. Cindy was one of the key leaders to support the increase of San Jose's minimum wage to $10 an hour, as well as a supporter many other key issues to the lives of working people, including health care and immigrant rights. She has only one serious opponent, Teresa Alvarado. Unfortunately, Ms. Alvarado has aligned herself with the Mayor, every other anti-union politician in San Jose, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Republican Party. It is true that Cindy has sent out a lot of mailers, but perhaps it is because she feels it is necessary to respond to the DAILY slams against her that appear in the Mercury News and Metro. These two papers have open contempt for the poor and those who work for a living - both had the nerve to OPPOSE increasing the minimum wage, as they apparently
 preferred to see the people who serve them in restaurants and clean their homes go hungry and homeless.
 
I do not agree with Cindy on many issues - she is far too "Democratic Party" for my taste. But I disagree with allying with the right which is trying to block election of a pro-union person to the Board of Supervisors. Where there is a good Green alternative, I am fine with rejecting the lesser of two evils. But this not the case in this campaign, so I have put a Cindy Chavez sign in my front yard.
 
 
Sandy Perry


-----Original Message-----
From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss







If you are going to critique free speech, at least take the time to spell correctly and make complete sentences.
 
John Thielking

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 4:50 PM


I felt this anti- Chavez,essage i  n  a Green forum not suitablei

More appropiate would be" Disclosure ""|of endorsers and reference to
candidates i potitical statements and past political history and
experience

Paul Engstrom.
_______________________________________________
sosfbay-discuss mailing list
sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Fri May 17 08:29:12 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 08:29:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Monsanto to Stomp Out States' Rights to Label GMOs?
Message-ID: <1368804552.98018.YahooMailClassic@web185301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Fri, 5/17/13, Organic Consumers Association <ronniecummins at organicconsumers.org> wrote:


From: Organic Consumers Association <ronniecummins at organicconsumers.org>
Subject: Monsanto to Stomp Out States' Rights to Label GMOs?
To: carolineyacoub at att.net
Date: Friday, May 17, 2013, 7:58 AM




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ESSAY OF THE WEEK
Genetically Modified Democracy: Monsanto and Congress Move to Stomp on States' Rights 
Could Monsanto slip an amendment or rider into the 2013 Farm Bill that would wipe out any state GMO labeling law? Word on the street is that the world?s biggest Biotech bully is contemplating just such a move. The word from millions of consumers? Any member of Congress who even thinks about supporting Monsanto?s efforts to stomp on states? rights to label GMOs should start packing their bags today.
The House Ag Committee has already passed an amendment that policy analysts say, if included in the final Farm Bill, would take away states? rights to enact GMO labeling laws. Will the King Amendment, offered by pro-Big Ag Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), survive the Senate? We don?t know yet. But we do know this: Monsanto is running scared in the face of efforts in more than 30 states to require mandatory GMO labeling. Their next best line of defense is to take that right away from states ? and consumers.
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Congress Beware: If You Support a Monsanto Attack on State Labeling Laws, We?ll Throw You Out! 
TAKE ACTION: Tell Your Congress Member: Your Job Is on the Line if You Support a Monsanto Attack on States? Right to Know!

First it was the Monsanto Protection Act, which gave biotech companies immunity from federal courts and paved the way for Monsanto to plant illegally approved, potentially dangerous genetically engineered crops. Now, an increasingly desperate Monsanto is eyeing an attack on states? rights to label genetically modified organisms (GMOs).
Last year, 73 U.S. Senators voted against a proposed amendment to the agriculture bill, put forth by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). The Sanders amendment would have guaranteed states the right to require labels on genetically engineered food products. We know who those senators are. And we know which representatives supported the King Amendment this week, passed out of the House Ag Committee, which if it passes, will take away states? rights to label GMOs. Today, officially, we?re putting them, and every other member of Congress, on notice: Vote to take away states? rights to label GMOs, and we?ll vote you out of office. And if you represent one of the 11 states that allow recalls of federal elected officials? Let the recalls begin.

TAKE ACTION: Tell Your Congress Member: Your Job Is on the Line if You Support a Monsanto Attack on States? Right to Know!



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ACTION ALERT
Unbelievable: EPA Approves Higher Levels of Roundup?s Glyphosate 
TAKE ACTION: Tell the EPA to Lower the Allowed Limits for Monsanto?s Roundup!

In study after study, scientists warn of the foolhardiness of unleashing into the environment tons of glyphosate, the key ingredient in Monsanto?s Roundup pesticide. Yet the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has just raised the allowable limits for glyphosate residue in human food and animal feed.
Glyphosate has been linked to everything from Parkinson?s Disease and Autism, to cancer, infertility and allergies. It begs the question. Whose environment is the EPA trying to protect? Yours? Or Monsanto?s? The EPA?s ruling is ?final.? But the agency is still accepting comments. Let?s tell our so-called protectors that we want lower, not higher, limits on glyphosate residue.
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A Side of Leukemia with Your GMO Corn? 
The Bt (Bacillus Thuringensis) toxin in Monsanto?s genetically modified corn and soy has been linked to organ failure in humans. It has turned up in the bloodstreams of pregnant women and their fetuses. Now, a study published in the?Journal of Hematology & Thromboembolic Diseases suggests that some forms of the Bt toxin may also contribute to certain blood cancers, such as leukemia.
The study's authors conclude: "Taking into account the increased risk of human and animal exposures to significant levels of these toxins, especially through diet, our results suggest that further studies are required . . . before concluding that these microbiological control agents are safe for mammals." Talk about a ship that's already sailed. 
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Take That, Monsanto and Mark Lynas
Remember Mark Lynas, the repentant journalist-masquerading-as-scientist who made headlines earlier this year? For telling the world that, gosh, he?d been wrong all those years about genetically modified organisms (GMOs) being bad for our health and environment? That we should pay no attention to all the new studies highlighting the dangers of GMOs, and instead embrace biotechnology as the solution to world hunger?
Well, Lynas has met his match. Thierry Vrain (pictured), retired former pro-GMO scientist (as in, actual scientist) for Agriculture Canada, now says that a growing body of scientific research showing that diets containing engineered corn or soy cause serious health problems in laboratory mice and rats should give us pause. Says Vrain: ?I refute the claims of the biotechnology companies that their engineered crops yield more, that they require less pesticide applications, that they have no impact on the environment and of course that they are safe to eat.? Seems the science ? and now the scientists ? are on our side.
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ACTION ALERT UPDATE
Win Some, Lose Some
First, the good news. The U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has come to its senses. Temporarily at least. The BLM postponed auctions in California that would have opened up more public lands for fracking. The auctions, involving nearly 3,300 acres of prime public lands, were planned for later this month. But thanks in part to the nearly 60,000 of you who signed our petition to the BLM, the auctions are on hold. It also didn?t hurt that a federal judge ruled last month that the BLM had violated a key environmental law by previously auctioning the drilling rights for lands near the Salinas River Valley before reviewing the potential impacts on water, wildlife and air quality.
There?s plenty of evidence to suggest that where oil and gas companies are already fracking, farms are being destroyed. Do we really want to destroy prime farmland in California? Let?s keep the pressure on the BLM to stop fracking on California?s public lands. If you haven?t yet signed our petition, please sign today. If you have signed, please forward to five friends who haven?t. Thank you!

Now for the bad news. Our petition to save the honeybees from yet another bee-killing pesticide didn?t fare so well. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) approved sulfoxaflor, a pesticide the agency admits is toxic to bees. The bee population has already been decimated by a host of neonicotinoid pesticides, which work in much the same way as sulfoxaflor. That?s bad news for food crops. According to a United Nations report, of the 100 crop species that supply 90 percent of the world's food, bees pollinate more than 70 percent.
But don?t worry. The EPA is requiring anyone using sulfoxaflor to notify ?known? beekeepers within one mile of the treatment area 48 hours before they spray the pesticide. So the beekeepers can move their hives. The ?known? beekeepers, that is. Can anyone say ?loophole??



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LITTLE BYTES
Essential Reading for the Week Join the March Against Monsanto May 25, 2013!

Revealed: How US State Department 'Twists Arms' on Monsanto's Behalf

Eating As Though the Environment Mattered

400 Parts Per Million: Climate Milestone is a Moment of Symbolic Significance on Road of Idiocy

Tenn. Governor Haslam Vetoes ?Ag Gag? Anti-Whistleblower Bill

How a Legal Loophole Allows Untested Pesticides in Everything From Cosmetics to Clothing




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From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 08:40:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Don't Miss WEST Summit 2013 Showcase of Solutions
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From: Sustainable Silicon Valley <mgrossman at sustainablesv.org>
Subject: Don't Miss WEST Summit 2013 Showcase of Solutions for Planetary Sustainability May 23 @ NASA
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Fri May 17 09:37:08 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 09:37:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW:  Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
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Sorry, I didn't realize I was attacking an old man who has keyboard challenges. Still, I do consider my rant about Cindy Chavez to be entirely appropriate for this forum and I am incensed that old man or not someone would seek to reign in my freedom of speech.? A better reply might have been?"Sorry John I disagree that Cindy is a bad person let's try to keep it positive" rather than attempting to get the moderator to?reign in my comments. 
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On a positive note, I will look into the background of Ms Roach who was one of two supervisor candidates who actually appeared in person at the Palestinian Cultural Day this last Wednesday at the county building. Both Lofgren and Honda only?sent Arab looking people from their offices as reps. Cindy Chavez was not present as far as I know.
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John Thielking?

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] FW: Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 10:30 PM










I agree that everyone deserves the presumption of courtesy--including Lush Rimbaud,
as long as he restricts himself to courteously expressing opinions.

Some people IMHO forfeit their presumptive courtesy.? Unrepentant criminals, such as 
Karl Rove and Condi Rice and Nancy Pelosi and George Bush and Barack Obama, do not 
deserve courtesy.? They deserve to be loudly denounced wherever they go until they 
repent of their crimes.? 

William Rodriguez, the 9/11 fraudster who travels around the world with a hero story
he stole from a true hero who died on 9/11, deserves no courtesy.

Internet bullies who persistently pursue tactics of intimidation and lies and libel deserve
no courtesy.? Jesus tells us "unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the 
other" but it doesn't take very long before you run out of cheeks, and Jesus doesn't say
what you do then.

Responding in kind has the unfortunate effect of shortening your fuse, but knuckling under 
to bullies is worse because it kills your soul.






Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 22:11:27 -0700
From: carolineyacoub at att.net
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com; snug.bug at hotmail.com






Everybody--even Rush Limbaugh--deserves our courtesy. Discourtesy is a reflection on the perpetrator, not the target.
Caroline

--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Brian Good <snug.bug at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: "sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>, "paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com" <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 9:38 PM






I have had the privilege to meet Paul Engstrom in my work with Move to Amend and
the California Clean Money campaign.? He is a long-time activist and a great guy and
if, like a lot of us over 50, his keyboard challenges him a bit by the end of the afternoon,
so be it.? 

He deserves respect and courtesy--and gratitude for all he's done over the decades--from
all of us.

Brian 





To: perrysandy at aol.com; pagesincolor at yahoo.com; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org; paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com
From: leedobell at aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 00:19:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss


Thank you Sandy for that clear and well reasoned response.
Caroline


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From: perrysandy <perrysandy at aol.com>
To: pagesincolor <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>; sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; paulmaryengstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss



I am not experienced enough on this list to know what is appropriate to it or not. But since the issue of Cindy Chavez was raised, I believe it is important to respond. Cindy was one of the key leaders to support the increase of San Jose's minimum wage to $10 an hour, as well as a supporter many other key issues to the lives of working people, including health care and?immigrant rights. She has only one serious opponent, Teresa Alvarado. Unfortunately, Ms. Alvarado has aligned herself with the Mayor, every other anti-union politician in San Jose, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Republican Party. It is true that Cindy has sent out a lot of mailers, but perhaps it is because she feels it is necessary to respond to the DAILY slams against her that appear in the Mercury News and Metro. These two papers have open contempt for the poor and those who work for a living - both had the nerve to OPPOSE increasing the minimum wage, as they apparently preferred to
 see the people who serve them in restaurants and clean their homes go hungry and homeless.
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I do not agree with Cindy on many issues - she is far too "Democratic Party" for my taste. But I disagree with allying with the right which is trying to?block election of?a pro-union person to the Board of Supervisors. Where there is a good Green alternative, I am fine with rejecting the lesser of two evils. But this not the case in this campaign, so I have put a Cindy Chavez sign in my front yard.
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Sandy Perry


-----Original Message-----
From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
To: sosfbay-discuss <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>; Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss







If you are going to critique free speech, at least take the time to spell correctly and make complete sentences.
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--- On Thu, 5/16/13, Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Paul Engstrom <paulmaryengstrom at gmail.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Inappropriate Anti- Chavez on Green discuss
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 4:50 PM


I felt this anti- Chavez,essage i? n? a Green forum not suitablei

More appropiate would be" Disclosure ""|of endorsers and reference to
candidates i potitical statements and past political history and
experience

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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri May 17 13:49:50 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:49:50 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Eshoo Forum 6/1 re Corporate Rights [was Re: Fw:
 [SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?" Community Forum with Rep.
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There is a web page for this:
http://peaceandjustice.org/townhall/

Please note that they are requesting that people RSVP
if planning to attend, so they can make appropriate
preparations.

Gerry


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From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 17 13:56:54 2013
From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 13:56:54 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] excess mailers follow up
Message-ID: <51969996.3010707@sbcglobal.net>

I agree with Paul that the posting re Cindy Chavez mailers
was not appropriate for this forum.

I do not see his posting as being a critique of free speech.

As to candidate statements and past history with respect to a
specific issue, namely the need for a downtown hospital,
Cindy Chavez has been a long time supporter of a downtown
hospital whereas Teresa Alvarado has stated - my paraphrasing -
at a community forum for candidates that the downtown does
not need a hospital, it already has a new clinic.

Jim Doyle




From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sun May 19 11:42:26 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 11:42:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350SiliconValley] 350 Silicon Valley Qurterly
	Meeting & Potluck - Next Sunday!
Message-ID: <1368988946.79369.YahooMailClassic@web185302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Sun, 5/19/13, Lisa Altieri <laltieri at earthlink.net> wrote:


From: Lisa Altieri <laltieri at earthlink.net>
Subject: [350SiliconValley] 350 Silicon Valley Qurterly Meeting & Potluck - Next Sunday!
To: 350siliconvalley at googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2013, 9:38 AM






Hi all,
?
??? Join us next Sunday for a BBQ & Potluck for our second 350 Silicon Valley Quarterly Meeting.? Meet other members, hear updates from our Project Teams and help plan our actions for the rest of 2013.? Join in and help grow our local climate movement!? Here the details:
?
When:? Sunday, May 26th, 3 pm
Where:? 530 Barron Ave, Palo Alto
What to bring:? something to share if you can, and a friend!
?
Please feel free to forward this on and spread the word.
?
We hope you can make it!
?
350 Silicon Valley Team
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Sun May 19 12:10:38 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items so far
Message-ID: <1368990638.61695.YahooMailClassic@web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

So far, we have a speaker or speakers from 350Silicon Valley.
?
7:30 identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper, vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next month
7:35 intros and quick announcements
7:40 additions or corrections to agenda
7:45Treasurer's report--Jim Doyle
?7:50 discussion of state meeting agenda (it would be nice if y'all would print out your own)--? Warner. 
8:20 Selection of delegates to state meeting--Warner
8:35 Regional Rep position vacant July 1. What shall we do about it?-- Warner
8:45 Green Shadow Cabinet. What is it? What does it do?--Sandy Perry
8:55 report from Single Payer health care committee--Jim Doyle, Sandy, Caroline
9:05?Tabling/demonstrating opportunities--who wants to be in charge?
????????? Juneteenth--June 15-16
?????????? Protest Obama fundraiser--June 6
?????????? Move to Amend forum with Anna Eshoo on Corporate Personhood
??????????????????? June 1? 10;30-12;00
???????????????????? Lucie Stern Community Center, Stern Ballroom
????????????????????? 1305 Middlefield Ave, Palo Alto
???????????? Others?
9:20? Does anybody want to work on organizing the tabling materials? Did we find a Vietnamese translator?
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From perrysandy at aol.com  Sun May 19 16:49:12 2013
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 19:49:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Trans Pacific Partnership
Message-ID: <8D02302978FB8CF-2948-437B8@webmail-d221.sysops.aol.com>


It is very important to be aware of and combat this bipartisan threat to the environment, food labeling, health & safety, labor laws, bank regulation, the internet, and democracy in general:


http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/04/03/trans-pacific-partnership-corporate-power-tool-of-the-1/


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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Sun May 19 20:47:30 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items so far
In-Reply-To: <1368990638.61695.YahooMailClassic@web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1369021650.46540.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Please add the following items:
?
June 2 Gay Pride event in Santa Cruz.? I think it runs from 11-4 all along Pacific Ave there will be booths, etc and a parade.
?
June 30 San Francisco Gay Pride Parade, Bradley Manning contingent.? Does the Green Party want to co-sponsor a carpool and/or have a speaker at a San Jose event right before or right after the GPP on June 30th? We will be working with the Peace and Freedom Party on this if you like.
?
John Thielking would like to know if the Green Party would be interested in selling his Peacemovies 2011 and 2012 booklets at tabling events.? John will make the booklets available on consignment. $3.50 would be paid to John after selling a booklet for $7 at the table. John would pay any sales tax due in this scheme out of his $3.50 share.
?
May 25th March Against Monsanto.? Ceasar Chavez arch at San Jose State at 10:30AM. Should the GP endorse this event and/or organize for it?
?
Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking

--- On Sun, 5/19/13, Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net> wrote:


From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items so far
To: "sosfbay-discuss" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2013, 12:10 PM







So far, we have a speaker or speakers from 350Silicon Valley.
?
7:30 identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper, vibes watcher and agenda preparer for next month
7:35 intros and quick announcements
7:40 additions or corrections to agenda
7:45Treasurer's report--Jim Doyle
?7:50 discussion of state meeting agenda (it would be nice if y'all would print out your own)--? Warner. 
8:20 Selection of delegates to state meeting--Warner
8:35 Regional Rep position vacant July 1. What shall we do about it?-- Warner
8:45 Green Shadow Cabinet. What is it? What does it do?--Sandy Perry
8:55 report from Single Payer health care committee--Jim Doyle, Sandy, Caroline
9:05?Tabling/demonstrating opportunities--who wants to be in charge?
????????? Juneteenth--June 15-16
?????????? Protest Obama fundraiser--June 6
?????????? Move to Amend forum with Anna Eshoo on Corporate Personhood
??????????????????? June 1? 10;30-12;00
???????????????????? Lucie Stern Community Center, Stern Ballroom
????????????????????? 1305 Middlefield Ave, Palo Alto
???????????? Others?
9:20? Does anybody want to work on organizing the tabling materials? Did we find a Vietnamese translator?
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From rob.means at electric-bikes.com  Sun May 19 22:36:30 2013
From: rob.means at electric-bikes.com (Rob Means)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 22:36:30 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Jesus and non-violent resistance
Message-ID: <5199B65E.3050603@electric-bikes.com>

Those of us working for non-violent solutions, and who believe in 
non-violent resistance to oppressive institutions, will be well-served 
by re-framing this "turn the other cheek" line. Rather than settle for 
the Luke 6:29 version, invoke the Mathew 5:39 version which specifies 
the "right cheek": "Matthew 5:39 <http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-39.htm> 
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the 
right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."

Although the King James version of the Bible down-played the resistance 
to authority that Jesus professed, Walter Wink highlights it in his book 
_Jesus' Third Way_ which offers a non-violent resistance as an 
alternative to the simplistic fight or fold choice. Here's the background:

    Jesus gives three examples of what He means by not returning evil
    for evil. The first of these is, "If anyone strikes you on the right
    cheek, turn the other also." Imagine if I were your assailant and I
    were to strike a blow with my right fist at your face, which cheek
    would it land on? It would be the left. It is the wrong cheek in
    terms of the text we are looking at. Jesus says, "If anyone strikes
    you on the right cheek..." I could hit you on the right cheek if I
    used a left hook, but that would be impossible in Semitic society
    because the left hand was used only for unclean tasks. You couldn't
    even gesture with your left hand in public. The only way I could hit
    you on the right cheek would be with the back of the hand.

    Now the back of the hand is not a blow intended to injure. It is a
    symbolic blow. It is intended to put you back where you belong. It
    is always from a position of power or superiority. The back of the
    hand was given by a master to a slave or by a husband to a wife or
    by a parent to a child or a Roman to a Jew in that period. What
    Jesus is saying is in effect, "When someone tries to humiliate you
    and put you down, back into your social location which is inferior
    to that person, and turn your other cheek."

    Now in the process of turning in that direction, if you turned your
    head to the right, I could no longer backhand you. Your nose is now
    in the way. Furthermore, you can't backhand someone twice. It's like
    telling a joke a second time. If it doesn't work the first time, it
    has failed. By turning the other cheek, you are defiantly saying to
    the master, "I refuse to be humiliated by you any longer. I am a
    human being just like you. I am a child of God. You can't put me
    down even if you have me killed." This is clearly no way to avoid
    trouble. The master might have you flogged within an inch of your
    life, but he will never be able to assert that you have no dignity.


Likewise, the other two examples in the following verses have been 
corrupted in most Bibles. Get the longer version here:
http://www.cpt.org/files/BN%20-%20Jesus%27%20Third%20Way.pdf



On 05/16/2013 10:30 PM, sosfbay-discuss-request at cagreens.org wrote:
> Jesus tells us "unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also 
> the
> other" but it doesn't take very long before you run out of cheeks, and 
> Jesus doesn't say
> what you do then.


-- 
Rob Means,1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
408-262-0420h, 408-262-8975w, rob.means at electric-bikes.com
----------------------------------------------------------


From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon May 20 07:57:49 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 07:57:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Free Movie Screening: "8: The Mormon Propo$ition"
Message-ID: <1369061869.30533.YahooMailClassic@web185302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Mon, 5/20/13, Rick Infantino <noreply at list.moveon.org> wrote:


From: Rick Infantino <noreply at list.moveon.org>
Subject: Free Movie Screening: "8: The Mormon Propo$ition"
To: carolineyacoub at att.net
Date: Monday, May 20, 2013, 4:54 AM



Thanks again for all your support on the petition to ask San Jose Mayor Chuck Reed to support marriage equality. Most recently, Reed's vote was the council's only NO vote in support of an amicus brief in favor of marriage equality. Despite strong gains in public opinion for marriage equality, Reed continues to believe that his LGBT constituents are less than equal.
Please join us in kicking off Gay Pride Month, and the impending Supreme Court ruling on Prop. 8 and DOMA, on Saturday, June 1, 2013, at 6:30 p.m., when the Billy DeFrank LGBT Community Center and Marriage Equality Silicon Valley present a free screening of 8: The Mormon Propo$ition.
Visit MESV's Facebook Page for more information, and click here to download a flyer for the event. Please feel free to share with all your friends. We want a large crowd at this event!
Moving forward,
?
Rick
?




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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Mon May 20 08:32:16 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 08:32:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Jesus and non-violent resistance
In-Reply-To: <5199B65E.3050603@electric-bikes.com>
Message-ID: <1369063936.60277.YahooMailClassic@web122904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

So on the Internet, I guess this would look like:

"I don't like Jim Doyle's and Paul (Whats his name)'s attacks on my freedom of speech in this forum. (<:?"? (Somehow reversing the traditional smiley of ":>)" just doesn't work too well. Do you recognize it? It takes?awhile to see it.?Oh well.)? LOL

John Thielking
?

--- On Sun, 5/19/13, Rob Means <rob.means at electric-bikes.com> wrote:


From: Rob Means <rob.means at electric-bikes.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Jesus and non-violent resistance
To: "sosfbay-discuss" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2013, 10:36 PM


Those of us working for non-violent solutions, and who believe in non-violent resistance to oppressive institutions, will be well-served by re-framing this "turn the other cheek" line. Rather than settle for the Luke 6:29 version, invoke the Mathew 5:39 version which specifies the "right cheek": "Matthew 5:39 <http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-39.htm> But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."

Although the King James version of the Bible down-played the resistance to authority that Jesus professed, Walter Wink highlights it in his book _Jesus' Third Way_ which offers a non-violent resistance as an alternative to the simplistic fight or fold choice. Here's the background:

???Jesus gives three examples of what He means by not returning evil
???for evil. The first of these is, "If anyone strikes you on the right
???cheek, turn the other also." Imagine if I were your assailant and I
???were to strike a blow with my right fist at your face, which cheek
???would it land on? It would be the left. It is the wrong cheek in
???terms of the text we are looking at. Jesus says, "If anyone strikes
???you on the right cheek..." I could hit you on the right cheek if I
???used a left hook, but that would be impossible in Semitic society
???because the left hand was used only for unclean tasks. You couldn't
???even gesture with your left hand in public. The only way I could hit
???you on the right cheek would be with the back of the hand.

???Now the back of the hand is not a blow intended to injure. It is a
???symbolic blow. It is intended to put you back where you belong. It
???is always from a position of power or superiority. The back of the
???hand was given by a master to a slave or by a husband to a wife or
???by a parent to a child or a Roman to a Jew in that period. What
???Jesus is saying is in effect, "When someone tries to humiliate you
???and put you down, back into your social location which is inferior
???to that person, and turn your other cheek."

???Now in the process of turning in that direction, if you turned your
???head to the right, I could no longer backhand you. Your nose is now
???in the way. Furthermore, you can't backhand someone twice. It's like
???telling a joke a second time. If it doesn't work the first time, it
???has failed. By turning the other cheek, you are defiantly saying to
???the master, "I refuse to be humiliated by you any longer. I am a
???human being just like you. I am a child of God. You can't put me
???down even if you have me killed." This is clearly no way to avoid
???trouble. The master might have you flogged within an inch of your
???life, but he will never be able to assert that you have no dignity.


Likewise, the other two examples in the following verses have been corrupted in most Bibles. Get the longer version here:
http://www.cpt.org/files/BN%20-%20Jesus%27%20Third%20Way.pdf



On 05/16/2013 10:30 PM, sosfbay-discuss-request at cagreens.org wrote:
> Jesus tells us "unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the
> other" but it doesn't take very long before you run out of cheeks, and Jesus doesn't say
> what you do then.


-- Rob Means,1421 Yellowstone Ave., Milpitas, CA 95035-6913
408-262-0420h, 408-262-8975w, rob.means at electric-bikes.com
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Mon May 20 14:02:05 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Trans Pacific Partnership
In-Reply-To: <8D02302978FB8CF-2948-437B8@webmail-d221.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1369083725.91066.YahooMailClassic@web122901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for keeping on top of this issue Sandy Perry.? I've been keeping one eye on this issue as it could put me out of business if the rules change significantly regarding criminalization of "fair use" and criminalization of Youtube videos.? Currently, I repurpose information for free from various web sites that have only a copyright statement and no terms of use and/or that have a "fair use" terms of use.? If that picture were to change significantly it could force me to specifically license content even though I'm only paraphrasing it and such use doesn't even rise to the level of "fair use".? Also, I'm not sure if the generic medication I'm on would be available in its brand name form from my current Medicare Advantage Plan if the TPP expands patents on drugs..
?
John Thielking

--- On Sun, 5/19/13, perrysandy at aol.com <perrysandy at aol.com> wrote:


From: perrysandy at aol.com <perrysandy at aol.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Trans Pacific Partnership
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Sunday, May 19, 2013, 4:49 PM



It is very important to be aware of and combat this bipartisan threat to the environment, food labeling, health & safety, labor laws, bank regulation, the internet, and democracy in general:
?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/04/03/trans-pacific-partnership-corporate-power-tool-of-the-1/

?
Sandy
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From spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com  Tue May 21 15:29:21 2013
From: spencer.graves at structuremonitoring.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 15:29:21 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Economix & next Monday, May 27,
 7-9 PM: Economics for Activists discussion group at the SJ Peace
 Center
Message-ID: <519BF541.7020802@structuremonitoring.com>

Hello, All:


       There is an "Economics for Activists" discussion group that meets 
at the San Jos? Peace & Justice Center the fourth Mondays of the month.  
Next Monday, they will discuss Michael Goodwin (2012) Economix (Abrams 
Comicarts).  This is a review of the history of economic thought in 
comic book format.  It seems to cover a broad range of orthodox and 
heterodox economic thought, describing the limitations of each with the 
evidence for and against.


       You're welcome to join us next Monday;  Sandy Perry is a lead 
organizer for this group.


       Spencer


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com



From perrysandy at aol.com  Wed May 22 10:19:38 2013
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:19:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Operation Green Jobs
Message-ID: <8D02527ACAA389E-1024-423D@webmail-d287.sysops.aol.com>


Unite the Classes, March on the Lobbyists
By Carl Gibson, Reader Supported News
22 May 13
 
"You know how our government only listens to the lobbyists? Well, we're marching on the lobbyists."


've spent most of this past week on a 150-mile march from Philly to DC with unemployed workers and their families, called "Operation Green Jobs." Whenever we come across anyone who asks us why we're doing it, I use the above question and answer to explain our cause. And ten times out of ten, they're 100% supportive. When you base your argument on the unifying principle that special interest ownership of our government must be opposed, people of all ideological backgrounds can agree.
On Tuesday night, our group stopped just outside of Oxford, Pennsylvania, to rest until morning. I went to a nearby Turkey Hill convenience store to charge my phone and use the bathroom. I ended up talking to the night shift cashier about our march to DC demanding good jobs, action on climate change, and an end to the crushing cuts that are closing schools that children in our group are marching to save. The cashier nodded and said, "Yeah, if Obama keeps up all this gun control stuff, I don't think this country will last much longer."
Now, I personally believe that we should at least try to make it harder for the mentally unstable to have access to guns, but I chose not to get into that with this guy. Instead I said, "Forget about all that. The banks and the lobbyists own this government, and they use it as a vehicle to take the rest of what little we have left to pad their already fattened pockets. Before we talk about doing anything else, we've gotta stop that first. Nah mean?"
The guy nodded thoroughly and shook my hand.
"I wish you all the best, brother. I wish I could march with you."
We have to learn to set aside our pet issues like gun control and abortion, which are only used by the media and the politicians to keep people divided. When we set those issues aside, we can find common ground and have class solidarity across all ideological borders. And once we have class solidarity and the 99 percent of Americans are united against the plutocrats, then the imperial structure of the United States will crumble like dominoes.
The plutocrats have class solidarity. As a solidified, unified class, the plutocrats have been able to buy armies of lobbyists to influence policy, counting on the fact that Congress listens to money first and people second. Evidence of this is seen in the Powell Memo, written in 1971 by a corporate lawyer to the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, outlining how corporations should take over academia, the media, the government, and culture itself. The plutocrats have been able to rapidly redistribute wealth from the many to the few. The 6 Waltons who own Walmart make as much in 3 minutes of DIVIDENDS as one of their hourly minimum-wage employees makes in an entire year, amassing more wealth than 41.5% of the nation. Now, they're gunning for our retirement money through slick PR campaigns like Wall Street billionaire Pete Peterson's "Fix the Debt" scam. Ironically, they're paying broke college students to make their theft appeal to the millennial generation.
Whether we identify as a Democrat or a Republican, or an Occupy Wall Streeter or a Tea Partier, must now be irrelevant if we're to succeed in upending the plutocracy's control over society. When we find ourselves in an argument with someone of a similar economic situation over something not relative to our economic situations, we have to check ourselves, step back, and find common ground over the plight of our class struggle.
Yes, this is a class war. And like Warren Buffett said, his class is winning. The class war's tactics and strategy are exemplified by radical fascist administrations like those of Scott Walker in Wisconsin, Rick Snyder in Michigan, Chris Christie in New Jersey, Tom Corbett in Pennsylvania, and others. They collectively redistribute public assets to their wealthy sponsors in the form of budget cuts for one and tax breaks for the other. While their excuse is "job creation," that agenda is demonstrably false. Dismantling public institutions will only lead to job losses ? Wisconsin has ranked near the bottom in job creation since Scott Walker took the oath of office. Tom Corbett blamed Pennsylvania's high unemployment on his own people, saying they're all too high on drugs to get jobs. This is the language of class warfare.
So yes, we'll march to DC and make our voices heard in the halls of government. But they're merely the puppets ? the ones pulling the strings are corporate lobbying groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. So when Americans of all ideological leanings see us on the road and ask what we're doing, we'll tell them we're marching on the lobbyists. And no matter how they voted, they'll be with us. Follow our march's progress at http://shut-the-chamber.tumblr.com.
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Wed May 22 15:48:13 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why Voting Green Doesn't Matter (ie there is no
	spoiler effect)
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If ever there was an argument for not worrying about the consequences of voting for a third party such as the Green Party, that might result in "spoiling" the election results such that a Republican or Tea Party person gets elected instead of a Democrat, this is it: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/reality-check-obama-cuts-social-security-and-medicare-by-much-more-than-the-gop/274919/ Obama is now to the right of Paul Ryan on Medicare and Social Security.?
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Wed May 22 16:13:50 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:13:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why Voting Green Doesn't Matter (ie there is no
	spoiler effect)
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The following article somewhat contradicts the previous one. Now I'm just confused. Oh well.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/obama-medicare-budget_n_3052762.html

John Thielking
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--- On Wed, 5/22/13, John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: John Thielking <pagesincolor at yahoo.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Why Voting Green Doesn't Matter (ie there is no spoiler effect)
To: sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 3:48 PM







If ever there was an argument for not worrying about the consequences of voting for a third party such as the Green Party, that might result in "spoiling" the election results such that a Republican or Tea Party person gets elected instead of a Democrat, this is it: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/reality-check-obama-cuts-social-security-and-medicare-by-much-more-than-the-gop/274919/ Obama is now to the right of Paul Ryan on Medicare and Social Security.?
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed May 22 17:24:52 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:24:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Beer and Pizza for Justice!
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--- On Wed, 5/22/13, Ana Zamora, SAFE California <info at safecalifornia.org> wrote:


From: Ana Zamora, SAFE California <info at safecalifornia.org>
Subject: Beer and Pizza for Justice!
To: carolineyacoub at att.net
Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 5:00 PM






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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Wed May 22 19:30:16 2013
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 19:30:16 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items so far
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       Could we also add to the agenda a discussion of political reform 
initiatives including Move to Amend and Rootstrikers?  I'd also like to 
see this on the agenda for the state-wide meeting.


       Lawrence Lessig, Harvard Law Prof and founder of Rootstrikers, 
calls campaign finance the "gateway" problem, in the sense that we 
cannot make progress on any of the other issues facing the nation 
without fixing this first.  Media scholar Robert McChesney claims we 
have two gateway problems:  how we fund elections and news.  On May 7, 
the San Jos? City Council passed a resolution calling for a 
constitutional amendment stating that "money isn't speech" and campaign 
contributions and expenditures can be regulated and limited by Congress 
and the States.  I think the Green Party should officially support Move 
to Amend, Rootstrikers and related initiatives.  Some of my thoughts in 
this area are available at 
"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dZdlcsaArsaX-LKwfk7UezjbOnL5ejHVclPr7Un-uFg/edit?usp=sharing". 
Some of Lessig's most recent comments on this are available in his 
recent TED talk on "We the People, and the Republic we must reclaim" 
(www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim.html 
<http://www.ted.com/talks/lawrence_lessig_we_the_people_and_the_republic_we_must_reclaim.html>). 



       Spencer


On 5/19/2013 8:47 PM, John Thielking wrote:
> Please add the following items:
> June 2 Gay Pride event in Santa Cruz.  I think it runs from 11-4 all 
> along Pacific Ave there will be booths, etc and a parade.
> June 30 San Francisco Gay Pride Parade, Bradley Manning contingent.  
> Does the Green Party want to co-sponsor a carpool and/or have a 
> speaker at a San Jose event right before or right after the GPP on 
> June 30th? We will be working with the Peace and Freedom Party on this 
> if you like.
> John Thielking would like to know if the Green Party would be 
> interested in selling his Peacemovies 2011 and 2012 booklets at 
> tabling events.  John will make the booklets available on consignment. 
> $3.50 would be paid to John after selling a booklet for $7 at the 
> table. John would pay any sales tax due in this scheme out of his 
> $3.50 share.
> May 25th March Against Monsanto.  Ceasar Chavez arch at San Jose State 
> at 10:30AM. Should the GP endorse this event and/or organize for it?
> Thanks.
> Sincerely,
> John Thielking
>
> --- On *Sun, 5/19/13, Caroline Yacoub /<carolineyacoub at att.net>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>     Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items so far
>     To: "sosfbay-discuss" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>     Date: Sunday, May 19, 2013, 12:10 PM
>
>     So far, we have a speaker or speakers from 350Silicon Valley.
>     7:30 identify facilitator, note taker, time keeper, vibes watcher
>     and agenda preparer for next month
>     7:35 intros and quick announcements
>     7:40 additions or corrections to agenda
>     7:45Treasurer's report--Jim Doyle
>      7:50 discussion of state meeting agenda (it would be nice if
>     y'all would print out your own)--  Warner.
>     8:20 Selection of delegates to state meeting--Warner
>     8:35 Regional Rep position vacant July 1. What shall we do about
>     it?-- Warner
>     8:45 Green Shadow Cabinet. What is it? What does it do?--Sandy Perry
>     8:55 report from Single Payer health care committee--Jim Doyle,
>     Sandy, Caroline
>     9:05 Tabling/demonstrating opportunities--who wants to be in charge?
>               Juneteenth--June 15-16
>                Protest Obama fundraiser--June 6
>                Move to Amend forum with Anna Eshoo on Corporate Personhood
>                         June 1  10;30-12;00
>                          Lucie Stern Community Center, Stern Ballroom
>                           1305 Middlefield Ave, Palo Alto
>                  Others?
>     9:20  Does anybody want to work on organizing the tabling
>     materials? Did we find a Vietnamese translator?
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From vdf at juno.com  Wed May 22 20:31:12 2013
From: vdf at juno.com (Valerie D. Face)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 03:31:12 GMT
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Metro's Summer Guide is out!
Message-ID: <20130522.203112.20760.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Hi folks,

The current issue of San Jose's free "Metro" newspaper (the May 22-28 issue) is the annual Summer Guide.  It typically lists many (but not all) of the free concerts, festivals and other special events that happen during the summer.  It can be a good source of ideas for places to table, walk around passing out leaflets, "be seen being Green" or just have fun.  I recommend it to anyone who's interested in finding special events for outreach or just pure enjoyment.

Best wishes,
Valerie


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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed May 22 22:27:14 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 22:27:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350SiliconValley] Wednesday May 29th Action: Palo
	Alto noon-1pm
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--- On Wed, 5/22/13, Jane <jane at delforge-melia.net> wrote:


From: Jane <jane at delforge-melia.net>
Subject: [350SiliconValley] Wednesday May 29th Action: Palo Alto noon-1pm
To: 350siliconvalley at googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 10:17 PM







Dear All,
?
We need your support for an up-coming day of action!
?
350 SV is participating in the National Day of Action next Wednesday May 29th initiated by the Organizing for Action, with local events in our area.? The aim of this day of action is to make sure that Climate Change receives the attention it deserves from our leaders.? On that day, volunteers across the country will be asking their members of Congress to promote climate change as a serious issue.
?
As part of this , we need your support to do the following:
?
1.?????? Participate: Volunteers will assemble in Palo Alto at noon on Wednesday May 29th to generate media attention for this effort before walking to Representative Eshoo?s office to deliver our message to Representative Eshoo.?? The meeting point is: Lytton Plaza?(Palo Alto, CA), Emerson Street and University Avenue, Palo Alto,?CA?94301.? The event is expected to last one hour.? See details at: https://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/gscx28.? Please RSVP to me (jane at delforge-melia.net) if you plan to attend so we can have a good estimate on numbers.? 
2.?????? Sign the OFA petition: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1v6jSlG9khFsuEToppYAZ5j0osNSDyH7-e63rcLxW-oM/viewform
3.?????? Sign the letter to Anna Eshoo regarding Keystone Xcel and Climate Change here .? We will hand deliver it to her office on May 29th.? Note that while OFA and 350 have different strategies regarding Keystone Xcel, we are closely aligned on our overall objectives of driving real action on climate change.? While OFA does not focus on Keystone Xcel, they are aware of and comfortable with the fact that 350 will be presenting a letter that includes this topic.
?
Looking forward to your participation at this event!
?
Jane
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From: Lisa Altieri [mailto:laltieri at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:51 PM
To: Jane Melia
Subject: Fw: OFA Silicon Valley Climate Change Petition and Rally
?



received this as well.? Do you know who plans to be at the rally?? It would be good to hand out 350 flyers and try to get more members!? I have extra flyers, we could hand write on our new website.



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From: Josh Wolf 

Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:00 PM

To: laltieri at earthlink.net 

Subject: OFA Silicon Valley Climate Change Petition and Rally

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Climate Change
You can make sure that climate change receives the attention it deserves from our national leaders. The OFA Climate Change Campaign is coordinating a National Day of Action on Wednesday, May 29. To demonstrate strong local interest in this issue, please sign our petition to encourage Congresswoman Eshoo to lead a national conversation about climate change and share it with your friends and family https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1v6jSlG9khFsuEToppYAZ5j0osNSDyH7-e63rcLxW-oM/viewform

Join volunteers from a coalition of environmental groups to deliver the petition to Congresswoman Eshoo in Palo Alto at noon on the 29th. Event details are available at https://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/gscx28

OFA compiled a list of climate deniers in Congress to highlight the importance of our work http://www.barackobama.com/climate-deniers/

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Wed May 22 23:26:30 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 23:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Agenda for May 23 Green Party Meeting
Message-ID: <1369290390.59627.YahooMailClassic@web185305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

?
????????????????????????????????????????????????? Agenda--May 23, 2013 Green Party Meeting
?
7:00-7:30 Speaker from 350Silicon Valley
7:30-7:45 Discussion about what we can do about climate change
7:45-8:00 Identify facilitator, Note Taker, Vibes Watcher, Time Keeper and Agenda preparer 
????????????????? Intros and announcements. Additions or corrections to agenda.
8:00-8:15 Treasurer's report, hat passing, need for fundraising. --Jim Doyle
?????????????????? HOMEWORK: THINK UP IDEAS FOR FUNDRAISING.
8:15-8:45? State meeting, June 22-23.? Warner will describe it in 10 minutes, explain a?
????????????????????procedural concern???in 5 minutes, help us find delegates and alternates in
??????????????????? 10 minutes, and describe our need for a Regional Rep in 5 minutes. (Awesome)
8:45-9:00? What is the Green Shadow Cabinet? Sandy Perry
9:00-9:15 report from Single Payer Health Care Committee.
9:15-9:30 Tabling/demonstrating opportunities 
?????????????????? May 25--March Against Monsanto- 10:30 a.m., SJSU arch
?????????????????? May 27--Economics for activists class. Peace Center. 7:00 p.m.
?????????????????? May 29-- Day of Action for Climate Change Lytton Plaza, Emerson St.
??????????????????????????????????? and University Ave., Palo Alto. 12::. Details emailed last night.
??????????????????? June 1--Move to Amend Forum with Anna Eshoo on Corporate Personhood.
????????????????????????????????? 10:30-12:00 Lucie Stern Community Center, Stern Ballroom, 1305 
?????????????????????????????????? Middlefield Ave. Palo Alto.
?????????????????????June 2--Gay Pride event in Santa Cruz. 11:00-4:00. Pacific Avenue.
???????????????????? June 6--Protest Obama Fundraiser.
????????????????????? June 15-16--Juneteenth, Jim Doyle.
????????????????????? June 30--Gay Pride Parade, San Francisco
?
Get a copy of the Metro newspaper. It lists many free concerts, festivals and other special events that happen during the summer. It can be a good source of ideas for places to table, walk around passing out leaflets, "be seen being Green", or just have fun. 
This was thanks to Valerie.
?
John would like to sell his Peace Movie pamphlets on consignment. We would split the proceeds and he would pay the tax.
?
Anyone wanting to help organize the bushel basketsful of Green Party literature, make schwag,
get some literature to pass out, or anything like that, please contact Caroline at 408-530-0118.
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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Thu May 23 09:38:34 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 09:38:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Agenda for May 23 Green Party Meeting
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We still need to have a discussion about selling the Peacemovies.com 2011 and 2012 booklets. That could go under tabling or fundraising. Also, Tian still has not contacted me about putting T-shirts on my web site for sale. It would be nice if we have a line on getting more shirts than our current stock, just in case my direct mail campaign goes as good as I hope and I get lots of orders off the web site. Thanks.
?
John Thielking

--- On Wed, 5/22/13, Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net> wrote:


From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Agenda for May 23 Green Party Meeting
To: "sosfbay-discuss" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:26 PM







?
????????????????????????????????????????????????? Agenda--May 23, 2013 Green Party Meeting
?
7:00-7:30 Speaker from 350Silicon Valley
7:30-7:45 Discussion about what we can do about climate change
7:45-8:00 Identify facilitator, Note Taker, Vibes Watcher, Time Keeper and Agenda preparer 
????????????????? Intros and announcements. Additions or corrections to agenda.
8:00-8:15 Treasurer's report, hat passing, need for fundraising. --Jim Doyle
?????????????????? HOMEWORK: THINK UP IDEAS FOR FUNDRAISING.
8:15-8:45? State meeting, June 22-23.? Warner will describe it in 10 minutes, explain a?
????????????????????procedural concern???in 5 minutes, help us find delegates and alternates in
??????????????????? 10 minutes, and describe our need for a Regional Rep in 5 minutes. (Awesome)
8:45-9:00? What is the Green Shadow Cabinet? Sandy Perry
9:00-9:15 report from Single Payer Health Care Committee.
9:15-9:30 Tabling/demonstrating opportunities 
?????????????????? May 25--March Against Monsanto- 10:30 a.m., SJSU arch
?????????????????? May 27--Economics for activists class. Peace Center. 7:00 p.m.
?????????????????? May 29-- Day of Action for Climate Change Lytton Plaza, Emerson St.
??????????????????????????????????? and University Ave., Palo Alto. 12::. Details emailed last night.
??????????????????? June 1--Move to Amend Forum with Anna Eshoo on Corporate Personhood.
????????????????????????????????? 10:30-12:00 Lucie Stern Community Center, Stern Ballroom, 1305 
?????????????????????????????????? Middlefield Ave. Palo Alto.
?????????????????????June 2--Gay Pride event in Santa Cruz. 11:00-4:00. Pacific Avenue.
???????????????????? June 6--Protest Obama Fundraiser.
????????????????????? June 15-16--Juneteenth, Jim Doyle.
????????????????????? June 30--Gay Pride Parade, San Francisco
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Get a copy of the Metro newspaper. It lists many free concerts, festivals and other special events that happen during the summer. It can be a good source of ideas for places to table, walk around passing out leaflets, "be seen being Green", or just have fun. 
This was thanks to Valerie.
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John would like to sell his Peace Movie pamphlets on consignment. We would split the proceeds and he would pay the tax.
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Anyone wanting to help organize the bushel basketsful of Green Party literature, make schwag,
get some literature to pass out, or anything like that, please contact Caroline at 408-530-0118.
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu May 23 12:52:22 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350 SV Chat] Climate Presentation Training
	(Chicago or Istanbul)
Message-ID: <1369338742.51183.YahooMailClassic@web185306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Thu, 5/23/13, Bruce Jones <bruce.mcc.jones at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Bruce Jones <bruce.mcc.jones at gmail.com>
Subject: [350 SV Chat] Climate Presentation Training (Chicago or Istanbul)
To: 350-silicon-valley-chat at googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013, 11:44 AM




Hi Again,


Those interested in learning how to present on Climate and to become part of the Climate Leadership program, here is the call for training and volunteers. ?There is no cost for the 3-Day Training. ? Highly?recommended for those interested in understanding and changing public opinion on the climate issues:


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?https://climatereality.myreviewroom.com/


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From WB4D23 at aol.com  Thu May 23 13:59:04 2013
From: WB4D23 at aol.com (WB4D23 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:59:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items so far/argh!
Message-ID: <121fa4.152820f9.3ecfdd18@aol.com>

May 23, 2013
 
This is the kind of sloppy, unclear, vague and overbroad  proposal for an 
agenda item that just drives me bonkers!!!
 
There is no focus whatsoever.  There is no time  proposal.  It is so broad 
it could include two years of constant chit chat  and still go nowhere...
 
Add that to the apparent lack of understanding about how state  meeting 
agendas are prepared...  Argh!!! (as in frustration; not pirate  noises)   
 
Warner
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/22/2013 7:30:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
spencer.graves at prodsyse.com writes:

Could we also add to the agenda a discussion of  political reform 
initiatives including Move to Amend and Rootstrikers?   I'd also like to see this on 
the agenda for the state-wide  meeting. 
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Thu May 23 15:04:22 2013
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 15:04:22 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] agenda items so far/argh!
In-Reply-To: <121fa4.152820f9.3ecfdd18@aol.com>
References: <121fa4.152820f9.3ecfdd18@aol.com>
Message-ID: <519E9266.9070406@prodsyse.com>

Hi, Warner:


       I hope you'll come tonight and help convert this into a terse, 
focused discussion of how to elevate the importance of this issue among 
the Santa Clara county and statewide Green parties.


       Harvard Law Prof Lawrence Lessig insists that campaign finance in 
not the most important problem for anyone but is the first problem the 
must be solved before progress can be made on any other problems.  I've 
previously distributed brochures on this;  I'll bring more copies this 
evening to hopefully minimize the discussion of "what" so we can focus 
more on "how".


       Spencer


On 5/23/2013 1:59 PM, WB4D23 at aol.com wrote:
> May 23, 2013
> This is the kind of sloppy, unclear, vague and overbroad proposal for 
> an agenda item that just drives me bonkers!!!
> There is no focus whatsoever.  There is no time proposal.  It is so 
> broad it could include two years of constant chit chat and still go 
> nowhere...
> Add that to the apparent lack of understanding about how state meeting 
> agendas are prepared...  Argh!!! (as in frustration; not pirate noises)
> Warner
> In a message dated 5/22/2013 7:30:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> spencer.graves at prodsyse.com writes:
>
>     Could we also add to the agenda a discussion of political reform
>     initiatives including Move to Amend and Rootstrikers?  I'd also
>     like to see this on the agenda for the state-wide meeting. 
>
>
>
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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Thu May 23 16:59:46 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 16:59:46 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Obama & Medea interaction
Message-ID: <519EAD72.8020305@earthlink.net>


"Anti-Drone Protester "Worth Paying Attention To" says Obama"
"CodePink's Medea Benjamin interrupts president's foreign policy speech 
with surprising results"

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/05/23-7

Gerry


From carolineyacoub at att.net  Thu May 23 23:26:18 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 23:26:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: [350svnotarsands] No Tar Sands SUMMER HEAT
Message-ID: <1369376778.19376.YahooMailClassic@web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

We know about the first one, but the second one is new I think.

--- On Thu, 5/23/13, Pierre Delforge <pedelforge at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Pierre Delforge <pedelforge at gmail.com>
Subject: [350svnotarsands] No Tar Sands SUMMER HEAT
To: 350svnotarsands at googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013, 9:14 PM



Dear Keystone and Tar Sands Warriors,

Our 350SV No Tar Sands team?s key objective is to provide local grassroots support for the national campaign to Stop the Keystone XL pipeline from being built, and tar sands extraction from expanding. To do this, we need to engage Silicon Valley residents in on-the-ground actions, from rallies and protests to comment drives, to counter big oil?s money and lobbyists with real people?s boots and voices.

Summer is heating up, there are several upcoming events to accelerate our movement?s momentum, and push our government over the edge, into action mode. These events are being planned by the Keystone Action Council, a coalition of Bay Area groups working together against KXL, they need us to jump in and help out.

For each event, we need as many participants as possible of course, but most importantly, we need organizers, to help organize logistics, outreach etc. ARE YOU IN?

Thu. June 6th - Obama fundraiser protest in Palo Alto - This event is on our turf. We are working with 350 National and other local groups to make it as big as the April 3rd SF Obama protest. We want to have over 1,000 people greet the President and demand that he rejects the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline. 

Tue. June 11th - Facebook Shareholder Meeting, Millbrae - Another event close to our turf. 
Mark Zuckerberg and other corporate tech millionaires are bankrolling the lobbying group FWD.us that, while pushing for high tech worker immigration reform, is buying TV ads in support of Keystone XL tar sands pipeline and drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in an effort to buy votes from the congressmen featured in the ads. We are escalating our call on Zuckerberg to stop from 

bankrolling any more pro-fossil fuel industry Keystone XL and drilling ads.



Sat. August 3rd - Chevron Refinery in Richmond - This is the BIG EVENT of the summer, part of the national SUMMER HEAT series of actions to step up public awareness and pressure on the government. Chevron is one of the largest oil companies in the world, it operates the largest refinery in the Bay Area, is a major producer of tar sands in Canada, and it is headquartered in the Bay Area... What?s not to like;-? On Aug 3rd, as part of a coordinated series of events around the country, thousands of protesters will gather in Richmond to tell Chevron to stop trashing the planet: stop producing and refining tar sands, stop lobbying against climate action, leave 80% of its reserves underground.


If you would like to get involved and help organize any of these events:


Join our next No Tar Sands (NTS) team meeting on Saturday 6/1, Details and RSVP here

Contact me or Deborah.

And we hope to see many of you at the potluck this Sunday! Details and RSVP here.


Thanks for all you do, we're going to win this fight!


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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri May 24 00:18:49 2013
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 00:18:49 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] minutes of May 23 Green Party Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1369327114.79346.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1369327114.79346.YahooMailClassic@web122902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <519F1459.6060404@prodsyse.com>

Please post any additions or corrections to this list.


On 5/23/2013 9:38 AM, John Thielking wrote:
> We still need to have a discussion about selling the Peacemovies.com 
> 2011 and 2012 booklets. That could go under tabling or fundraising. 
> Also, Tian still has not contacted me about putting T-shirts on my web 
> site for sale. It would be nice if we have a line on getting more 
> shirts than our current stock, just in case my direct mail campaign 
> goes as good as I hope and I get lots of orders off the web site. Thanks.
> John Thielking
>
> --- On *Wed, 5/22/13, Caroline Yacoub /<carolineyacoub at att.net>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Caroline Yacoub <carolineyacoub at att.net>
>     Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Agenda for May 23 Green Party Meeting
>     To: "sosfbay-discuss" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>     Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2013, 11:26 PM
>
>     Agenda--May 23, 2013 Green Party Meeting
>     7:00-7:30 Speaker from 350Silicon Valley
>


Lisa Altieri, co-founder 350 Silicon Valley:  Our sole focus is climate 
change.  70% of the US is

Search for Yale Communications on Climate

FIVE GROUPS:
16% of the US are alarmed
25-30 of the US are concerned
              cautious
total:  70%

_____________
8% climate deniers

All 3 groups (alarmed, concerned, cautious) don't know what to do. Our 
job is to help these people understand.

A carbon tax done sensibly would make most people better off, create 
jobs;  The people hurt would be fossil fuel interests.

Politically active on the environment for over 20 years and with 350.org 
since it was founded in 2009.

In Silicon Valley we have 4 campaigns and about to start a fifth:


        1.  divestment (Calpers working on this).  For us to stay below 
2 degrees C global warming, we need to stay below 565 gigatons CO2;  the 
reserves are roughly 5 times this number.  At our current rate of 
consumption, we will blow by that 565 in 15 years.


        2.  Keystone XL pipeline:  amount matching what humanity has 
burned already.


       3.  Cap & trade or carbon tax.


       4.  outreach.


       5.  local action.


350 is international:  They've had demonstrations in every country 
except North Korea.


4:30-6:30 Thursday, June 6, in Palo Alto:  demonstration 350.org, Credo, 
Sierra Club, ..., near intersection of Middlefield and University.


>     7:30-7:45 Discussion about what we can do about climate change
>     7:45-8:00 Identify facilitator, Note Taker, Vibes Watcher, Time
>     Keeper and Agenda preparer
>                       Intros and announcements. Additions or
>     corrections to agenda.
>


Facilitator:  Caroline


Notetaker:  Spencer


Agenda preparer:  Sandy Perry


Timekeeper:  John


Vibes Watcher:  Dana


Intros:  Tian, Gerry, Fred D., Lisa,  Josh Gallant, Warner, Dana, Peter 
O'Reilly, John, Sandy, Caroline


Drew:  getting a Green party at DeAnza


Sandy:  Working with David Cobb on June 1 & 2 at DeBug training for 
Green party organizers


Lisa w. 350siliconvalley.org


>     8:00-8:15 Treasurer's report, hat passing, need for fundraising.
>     --Jim Doyle
>                        HOMEWORK: THINK UP IDEAS FOR FUNDRAISING.
>


>     8:15-8:45  State meeting, June 22-23.
>


in Napa.


>     Warner will describe it in 10 minutes, explain a
>                         procedural concern   in 5 minutes, help us
>     find delegates and alternates in
>                         10 minutes, and describe our need for a
>     Regional Rep in 5 minutes. (Awesome)
>


County Council Problem:  We are a County Party.  We have our own bylaws 
that go back to 1992, concurrent with the State party. Bylaws have been 
amended.  Our County Councils are "normally" the product of an 
election.  If we have fewer than 7 candidates for County Council (the 
max number), they do not appear on the County ballot.  Recently, no one 
collected signatures for a County Council and therefore, the State Party 
is saying that we did not collect 20 signatures and therefore Santa 
Clara County does NOT have a valid County Council.


       To fix:  We need to create a single piece of paper that lists the 
names of all the candidates:  election code The undersigned support and 
nominate the above candidates (names and addresses of current Green 
party members in Santa Clara County:   Sandy will draft and send it at 
least to Spencer, who will put it on the web with an announcement of an 
election at the June meeting and will ensure that it gets to others who 
can print copies and collect signatures so we have at least 20 required 
for us to have a legal election during our June meeting.


STATEWIDE MEETING IN NAPA, JUNE 22-23:


       Go to "www.cagreens.org".  Click "Party" (upper right) -> 
"General Assembly" -> "General Assembly:  June 2013" (left, half way 
down) -> "Draft Agenda" and "Delegates"


       ** Under Delegates, I read that we are allowed 1 "Automatic seat" 
plus 4 "proportional seats" for 5 "total seats".


       We selected the following delegates:  Warner, Caroline, Drew, 
Gerry, and Tian;  these are designated as our delegates with Dana and 
Debbie as alternates.


IF THIS IS INCORRECT, PLEASE LET US KNOW.


       ** Could someone please check to see what has to happen to get 
people officially registered and notify this list?  If the County 
Council needs to do something, please let me know what, and I'll make it 
happen.


Napa Women's Club:  Registration fee $40 until June 19 or $45 after.


This is the first plenary of the year = a "Budget Plenary": typical:  
$20-100K received and spent, not counting ~$20K reserve.


Regional rep:  Last June, the Coordinating Council created a "Standard 
General Assembly".  The SGA bylaws changes may have eliminated the 
regional rep, but Warner is not sure.


       Warner will need a ride.  Caroline will happily have someone else 
drive her car.


Alternate:  Dana.


NEED TO ASK IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO BE A DELEGATE.


>     8:45-9:00  What is the Green Shadow Cabinet? Sandy Perry
>


       * First phone conference tomorrow for the Green Shadow Cabinet 
esp. re. Trans Pacific hyper free trade agreement.


>     9:00-9:15 report from Single Payer Health Care Committee.
>


       * Caroline, Sandy and Jim met with Lynn and Jerry from a single 
payer committee.  Planning for an event sometime in September for a 
movie followed by a panel including a Green party rep on the panel.


>     9:15-9:30 Tabling/demonstrating opportunities
>                        May 25--March Against Monsanto- 10:30 a.m.,
>     SJSU arch
>                        May 27--Economics for activists class. Peace
>     Center. 7:00 p.m.
>                        May 29-- Day of Action for Climate Change
>     Lytton Plaza, Emerson St.
>                                         and University Ave., Palo
>     Alto. 12::. Details emailed last night.
>                         June 1--Move to Amend Forum with Anna Eshoo on
>     Corporate Personhood.
>     10:30-12:00 Lucie Stern Community Center, Stern Ballroom, 1305
>     Middlefield Ave. Palo Alto.
>                          June 2--Gay Pride event in Santa Cruz.
>     11:00-4:00. Pacific Avenue.
>                          June 6--Protest Obama Fundraiser.
>                           June 15-16--Juneteenth, Jim Doyle.
>


and Drew.  Tian will help.  Tian will contact Jim, get the cost, and 
report to the County Council for a decision.


       Caroline will call Dana and coordinate a date to make swag, then 
notify Spencer, who will deliver the Green party material he has.  Dana, 
Caroline and others will decide what material is obsolete and should be 
recycled and what new material we need including material in Spanish and 
Vietnamese.


>                           June 30--Gay Pride Parade, San Francisco
>


       Resolved:  The Green Party of Santa Clara County supports Bradley 
Manning and a nonviolent Gay Pride Parade in San Francisco, including 
carpooling to same.


PeaceMovies.com:  $7 for the PeaceMovies book;  half to the Green party.


Citizen funded elections and news?


>     Get a copy of the Metro newspaper. It lists many free concerts,
>     festivals and other special events that happen during the summer.
>     It can be a good source of ideas for places to table, walk around
>     passing out leaflets, "be seen being Green", or just have fun.
>     This was thanks to Valerie.
>     John would like to sell his Peace Movie pamphlets on consignment.
>     We would split the proceeds and he would pay the tax.
>     Anyone wanting to help organize the bushel basketsful of Green
>     Party literature, make schwag,
>     get some literature to pass out, or anything like that, please
>     contact Caroline at 408-530-0118.
>
>
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-- 
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President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Fri May 24 08:41:15 2013
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 08:41:15 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Elections for County Council, Thursday, June 27
Message-ID: <519F8A1B.5050205@prodsyse.com>

Hello, All:


       Elections for the County Councils of the Green Party of Santa 
Clara County will be held at our next regular meeting five weeks from 
yesterday, Thursday, June 27, at the San Jos? Peace and Justice Center.


       Interested Greens are encouraged to run.  Our primary foci this 
year are (a) environment, including350.org 
<http://www.350siliconvalley.org/>, and (b) universal health care.  We 
are also involved in many other things includingcitizen-funded elections 
and news, without which progress on any other issue is virtually 
impossible 
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dZdlcsaArsaX-LKwfk7UezjbOnL5ejHVclPr7Un-uFg/edit?usp=sharing>. 



       More will follow shortly including collecting signatures to 
support the candidacies of the existing County Council members. If you 
might like to serve, you do NOT need to have signatures collected:  You 
just need to appear at the June 27 meeting and convince the attendees to 
elect you;  you must be registered Green for at least a year and live in 
Santa Clara County.  We currently have vacancies we've been unable to 
fill.  We are allowed 7, and we currently have five.  After at least one 
of them is officially elected on June 27, the new County Council can 
then appoint others subject to the approval of the rest of the attendees 
at the monthly meeting.  See also "http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/".


       Hope to see you on June 27.
       Spencer


-- 
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President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Mon May 27 22:09:52 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: [350SiliconValley] REMINDER: Wednesday May 29th
	Action, Palo Alto noon-1pm
Message-ID: <1369717792.29493.YahooMailClassic@web185301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Mon, 5/27/13, Vanessa Warheit <vwarheit at me.com> wrote:


From: Vanessa Warheit <vwarheit at me.com>
Subject: Fwd: [350SiliconValley] REMINDER: Wednesday May 29th Action, Palo Alto noon-1pm
To: "Sandra Slater" <sandra at sandraslater.com>, greenteamcollegeterrace at yahoogroups.com, "Greencom uucpa" <greencom at uucpa.org>, "Irene McNee" <irenemcnee at yahoo.com>, "Sandi Cooper" <sandi812 at yahoo.com>, "Maria Contreras" <mariacontreras at stanford.edu>, "Annie Talbot" <avtalbot2 at aol.com>, "Amy R. Butte" <amyrbutte at gmail.com>, "Sandy Macauley" <sandy_macauley at yahoo.com>, "Cindy Threlkeld" <cindyhsiao at hotmail.com>, "Kristen Anderson" <ntmntm at aol.com>, "Keiko Akashi" <keikoakashi at gmail.com>, "Wendy Ann Cook" <wendyanncook at mac.com>, "Sven Thesen" <sventhesen at gmail.com>, "Kristen Kennerly" <kristen.kennerly at serenogroup.com>, 350svoutreach at googlegroups.com, "Fran Philip" <fran at philipusa.com>, "Fran Bell" <Bell_frances at yahoo.com>, "Cindy Krieger" <cjkrieger at sbcglobal.net>, "Virginia Warheit" <virginia.warheit at me.com>, "Christian Jensen" <jameschristianj at gmail.com>, "Mark Urbanek" <urbanek at stanford.edu>, "Jan Krawitz" <krawitz at stanford.edu>, "Kris Samuelson"
 <samuelso at leland.stanford.edu>, "Megan Medeiros" <megan.fluke.medeiros at gmail.com>, "promiserani" <promiserani at gmail.com>, "David Coale" <david at evcl.com>, "David Alan Foster" <resourcerer at gmail.com>, "Debbie Mytels" <debbiem at acterra.org>, "Chaia May-Pienknagura" <learningplaywithchaia at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, May 27, 2013, 9:34 PM



Hi all,


This Wednesday is a national day of action on climate change.?With CO2 at 400 ppm and scientists all over the world?sounding alarm bells, we are at a critical moment in history.?OFA has asked me to speak at a rally in downtown PA that they are organizing with 350.org - after which the group will walk to Anna Eshoo's office to present her with a letter supporting her work on climate and asking her to take an even stronger stance going forward.?


I would love to have some friendly faces there with me! So if you're free at lunchtime on Wednesday, please come support us at Lytton Plaza. And please forward this to others in the area who might be interested and available.


Thanks,


Vanessa?



Vanessa Warheit
Climate Reality Leader
www.climaterealityproject.org
vwarheit at me.com





Begin forwarded message:


From: Jane <jane at delforge-melia.net>

Subject: [350SiliconValley] REMINDER: Wednesday May 29th Action, Palo Alto noon-1pm

Date: May 27, 2013 5:24:58 PM PDT

To: 350siliconvalley at googlegroups.com, lurya at acm.org, jgoby at hotmail.com, michael.terraverde at gmail.com




Dear All,
?
I just want to remind you about the participation of 350Silicon Valley in the National Day of Action on Wednesday May 29 to ask representatives across the country to take action on climate change.
Getting representatives across the country committed to this issue is a pre-requisite for any serious legislation, so I am excited by this opportunity for coordinated action in conjunction with OFA.
?
Please participate if you can, if not, support us by signing our petition and letter on line.
?
1.???????Participation: Volunteers will assemble in Palo Alto at noon on Wednesday May 29th to generate media attention for this effort before walking to Representative Eshoo?s office to deliver our message to Representative Eshoo.?? The meeting point is: Lytton Plaza?(Palo Alto, CA), Emerson Street and University Avenue, Palo Alto,?CA?94301.? The event is expected to last one hour.? See details at:https://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/gscx28.? Please RSVP to me (jane at delforge-melia.net) if you plan to attend so we can have a good estimate on numbers.?
2.???????OFA petition:?https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1v6jSlG9khFsuEToppYAZ5j0osNSDyH7-e63rcLxW-oM/viewform
3.???????Letter to Anna Eshoo regarding Keystone Xcel and Climate Change?here?.? We will hand deliver it to her office on May 29th.? Note that while OFA and 350 have different strategies regarding Keystone Xcel, we are closely aligned on our overall objectives of driving real action on climate change.? While OFA does not focus on Keystone Xcel, they are aware of and comfortable with the fact that 350 will be presenting a letter that includes this topic.
?
If you are attending, it would be helpful if you could RSVP at the following url:
http://www.350siliconvalley.org/national_day_of_action_meeting_at_anna_eshoo_s_office
?
Thanks,
?
Jane
?


From:?Jane [mailto:jane at delforge-melia.net]?
Sent:?Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:17 PM
To:?'350siliconvalley at googlegroups.com'
Subject:?Wednesday May 29th Action: Palo Alto noon-1pm?
Importance:?High
?
Dear All,
?
We need your support for an up-coming day of action!
?
350 SV is participating in the National Day of Action next Wednesday May 29th initiated by the Organizing for Action, with local events in our area.? The aim of this day of action is to make sure that Climate Change receives the attention it deserves from our leaders.? On that day, volunteers across the country will be asking their members of Congress to promote climate change as a serious issue.
?
As part of this , we need your support to do the following:
?
1.???????Participate: Volunteers will assemble in Palo Alto at noon on Wednesday May 29th to generate media attention for this effort before walking to Representative Eshoo?s office to deliver our message to Representative Eshoo.?? The meeting point is: Lytton Plaza?(Palo Alto, CA), Emerson Street and University Avenue, Palo Alto,?CA?94301.? The event is expected to last one hour.? See details at:https://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/gscx28.? Please RSVP to me (jane at delforge-melia.net) if you plan to attend so we can have a good estimate on numbers.?
2.???????Sign the OFA petition:?https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1v6jSlG9khFsuEToppYAZ5j0osNSDyH7-e63rcLxW-oM/viewform
3.???????Sign the letter to Anna Eshoo regarding Keystone Xcel and Climate Change?here?.? We will hand deliver it to her office on May 29th.? Note that while OFA and 350 have different strategies regarding Keystone Xcel, we are closely aligned on our overall objectives of driving real action on climate change.? While OFA does not focus on Keystone Xcel, they are aware of and comfortable with the fact that 350 will be presenting a letter that includes this topic.
?
Looking forward to your participation at this event!
?
Jane
?


From:?Lisa Altieri [mailto:laltieri at earthlink.net]?
Sent:?Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:51 PM
To:?Jane Melia
Subject:?Fw: OFA Silicon Valley Climate Change Petition and Rally
?



received this as well.? Do you know who plans to be at the rally?? It would be good to hand out 350 flyers and try to get more members!? I have extra flyers, we could hand write on our new website.



?


From:?Josh Wolf

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You can make sure that climate change receives the attention it deserves from our national leaders.?The OFA Climate Change Campaign is coordinating a National Day of Action on Wednesday, May 29.?To demonstrate strong local interest in this issue, please?sign our petition?to encourage Congresswoman Eshoo to lead a national conversation about climate change?and?share it with your friends and family?https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1v6jSlG9khFsuEToppYAZ5j0osNSDyH7-e63rcLxW-oM/viewform

Join volunteers from a coalition of environmental groups?to deliver the petition to Congresswoman Eshoo?in Palo Alto at noon on the 29th. Event details are available at?https://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/gscx28

OFA compiled a list of climate deniers in Congress to highlight the importance of our work?http://www.barackobama.com/climate-deniers/

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue May 28 15:33:35 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 15:33:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Santa Cruz screening of Gasland II with filmmaker
	Josh Fox
Message-ID: <1369780415.66688.YahooMailClassic@web185306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Anybody want to ride down to Santa Cruz with me to see Gasland II ?
Caroline

--- On Tue, 5/28/13, Zack Malitz, CREDO Action <act at credoaction.com> wrote:


From: Zack Malitz, CREDO Action <act at credoaction.com>
Subject: Santa Cruz screening of Gasland II with filmmaker Josh Fox
To: "Caroline Yacoub" <carolineyacoub at att.net>
Date: Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 9:03 AM




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Join Josh Fox for a grassroots screening of Gasland II 


Director and anti-fracking activist Josh Fox is touring the country with his new film, Gasland II, and hosting free screenings for fracking activists like you. There's a screening near you--will you attend?
Click below to RSVP:



 


Dear Caroline, 
In 2010, Josh Fox's documentary film Gasland blew the lid off of fracking with startling images of people setting their tap water on fire. Since Gasland's release, people across the country and around the world have waged pitched battles to protect their communities from this destructive method of oil and gas extraction.
Now Josh has just released the followup--Gasland II--and he's touring the country doing free screenings for grassroots fracking activists before the film's television premiere.
There's a Gasland II screening coming up near you, and I hope you can make it. With Governor Brown touting fracking as a potential economic miracle and oil companies rushing to turn California into the next big producer of fracked oil, the timing couldn't be better. And it?s free! Want to attend?
What: Gasland II screening with Josh Fox
When: Monday, June 3, 6:30 PM 
Where: Rio Theater, 205 Soquel Ave, Santa Cruz CA 

Click here to RSVP. 
Exposing the ugly truth about fracking scares the heck out of the fracking industry. That's why oil industry-funded front groups have launched smear campaigns to discredit Gasland, accosted Josh at public events, and even released a mini-documentary intended to counter Gasland.1
America's fracking boom is indefensible. Fracking endangers communities with toxic pollution, contaminates our democracy with oily money, and accelerates climate change. It's no wonder some industry operatives have resorted to using counterinsurgency strategies honed on foreign battlefields to pacify dissent in communities that are being fracked.2
You don't want to miss Gasland II. This is a truly urgent moment in the fight against fracking in California. We face a rapidly shrinking window of time to ban fracking before California's drilling boom begins in earnest. One of the most important ways we can fight it is to make sure the real story gets told.
Click here to RSVP.
Thanks for fighting fracking.
Zack Malitz, Campaign Manager
CREDO Action from Working Assets 
Click below to RSVP:



 
1. Sharon Kelly, "Josh Fox?s Gasland Part II Faces Aggressive Oil and Gas Public Relations Campaign," DeSmogBlog, April 22, 2013
2. Brendan DeMelle, "Gas Fracking Industry Using Military Psychological Warfare Tactics and Personnel In U.S. Communities," DeSmogBlog, September 9, 2011 



 

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From carolineyacoub at att.net  Tue May 28 23:39:27 2013
From: carolineyacoub at att.net (Caroline Yacoub)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 23:39:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fw: Join Us in Palo Alto to Tell Obama to Reject
	Keystone
Message-ID: <1369809567.61720.YahooMailClassic@web185304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



--- On Tue, 5/28/13, Center for Biological Diversity <bioactivist at biologicaldiversity.org> wrote:


From: Center for Biological Diversity <bioactivist at biologicaldiversity.org>
Subject: Join Us in Palo Alto to Tell Obama to Reject Keystone
To: carolineyacoub at att.net
Date: Tuesday, May 28, 2013, 9:03 PM








 










Join Us in Palo Alto to Tell Obama to Reject Keystone 
Dear Caroline,





On June 6 President Obama will be in Silicon Valley -- and we need your help to welcome him in a big way. We're organizing a rally to send an undeniable message to the president: Reject the Keystone XL pipeline.

The Center for Biological Diversity along with Sierra Club, 350.org, CREDO and other allies are working to make sure that everywhere President Obama goes, he sees the climate movement all around him.

Palo Alto needs to remind Obama that we'll get in the streets to demand an end to Keystone. Join us at an exciting rally with Frostpaw and other Center activists to be seen and heard by President Obama.

Event details below:

What: No Keystone Rally With President Obama
When: June 6, 2013, from 4:30 to 7:30 p.m.
Where: The corner of Middlefield Rd. and University Ave. in Palo Alto, Calif.

RSVP here and contact Jerry Karnas with any questions.


Donate now to support the Center's work.

Photo of Keystone pipeline protest courtesy Flickr/Tar Sands Action.

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From pagesincolor at yahoo.com  Wed May 29 19:09:40 2013
From: pagesincolor at yahoo.com (John Thielking)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 19:09:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Elections for County Council, Thursday, June 27
In-Reply-To: <519F8A1B.5050205@prodsyse.com>
Message-ID: <1369879780.62409.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Spencer,
?
I'm a bit confused. I thought that we would all pitch in and go door to door or something to collect the 20 signatures that are needed to nominate the candidates.? If we have up to 7 candidates we can get by with collecting only 20 signatures total, but if we have more candidates, then that becomes problematic too.? I do have some free time, but I have no voter list to work from. What is the latest on this??Anyone? Do we have the form for the signatures worked out yet? Thanks.
?
Sincerely,
?
John Thielking?

--- On Fri, 5/24/13, Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com> wrote:


From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Elections for County Council, Thursday, June 27
To: "GPSCC" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
Date: Friday, May 24, 2013, 8:41 AM



Hello, All:? 


????? Elections for the County Councils of the Green Party of Santa Clara County will be held at our next regular meeting five weeks from yesterday, Thursday, June 27, at the San Jos? Peace and Justice Center.


????? Interested Greens are encouraged to run.? Our primary foci this year are (a) environment, including?350.org, and (b) universal health care.? We are also involved in many other things including citizen-funded elections and news, without which progress on any other issue is virtually impossible.? 


????? More will follow shortly including collecting signatures to support the candidacies of the existing County Council members.? If you might like to serve, you do NOT need to have signatures collected:? You just need to appear at the June 27 meeting and convince the attendees to elect you;? you must be registered Green for at least a year and live in Santa Clara County.? We currently have vacancies we've been unable to fill.? We are allowed 7, and we currently have five.? After at least one of them is officially elected on June 27, the new County Council can then appoint others subject to the approval of the rest of the attendees at the monthly meeting.? See also "http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/".? 


????? Hope to see you on June 27.? 
????? Spencer 


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
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From spencer.graves at prodsyse.com  Wed May 29 21:44:44 2013
From: spencer.graves at prodsyse.com (Spencer Graves)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 21:44:44 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Elections for County Council, Thursday, June 27
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References: <1369879780.62409.YahooMailClassic@web122906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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On 5/29/2013 7:09 PM, John Thielking wrote:
> Spencer,
> I'm a bit confused. I thought that we would all pitch in and go door 
> to door or something to collect the 20 signatures that are needed to 
> nominate the candidates. If we have up to 7 candidates we can get by 
> with collecting only 20 signatures total, but if we have more 
> candidates, then that becomes problematic too.  I do have some free 
> time, but I have no voter list to work from. What is the latest on 
> this? Anyone? Do we have the form for the signatures worked out yet? 
> Thanks.
>


Hi, John, et al.:


       Sandy reminded me earlier today that he had agreed to draft a 
form containing all our names and space for signatures.  He will send it 
to me.  I will add addresses for all then email it to anyone willing to 
print a copy and collect signatures for us.


       We also need to publish this election, I took care of that on May 
24, as documented in the email to which you replied.  Then after the 
elections, someone needs to inform the Registrar of Voters of the 
results within 4 days (if my memory is correct).


       The wheels are turning but not very fast ;-)


       Thanks for asking.
       Spencer

>
> Sincerely,
> John Thielking
>
> --- On *Fri, 5/24/13, Spencer Graves /<spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>/* 
> wrote:
>
>
>     From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves at prodsyse.com>
>     Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Elections for County Council, Thursday, June 27
>     To: "GPSCC" <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>     Date: Friday, May 24, 2013, 8:41 AM
>
>     Hello, All:
>
>
>           Elections for the County Councils of the Green Party of
>     Santa Clara County will be held at our next regular meeting five
>     weeks from yesterday, Thursday, June 27, at the San Jos? Peace and
>     Justice Center.
>
>
>           Interested Greens are encouraged to run.  Our primary foci
>     this year are (a) environment, including350.org
>     <http://www.350siliconvalley.org/>, and (b) universal health
>     care.  We are also involved in many other things
>     includingcitizen-funded elections and news, without which progress
>     on any other issue is virtually impossible
>     <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dZdlcsaArsaX-LKwfk7UezjbOnL5ejHVclPr7Un-uFg/edit?usp=sharing>.
>
>
>
>           More will follow shortly including collecting signatures to
>     support the candidacies of the existing County Council members. 
>     If you might like to serve, you do NOT need to have signatures
>     collected:  You just need to appear at the June 27 meeting and
>     convince the attendees to elect you;  you must be registered Green
>     for at least a year and live in Santa Clara County.  We currently
>     have vacancies we've been unable to fill.  We are allowed 7, and
>     we currently have five.  After at least one of them is officially
>     elected on June 27, the new County Council can then appoint others
>     subject to the approval of the rest of the attendees at the
>     monthly meeting.  See also "http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/".
>
>
>           Hope to see you on June 27.
>           Spencer
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     sosfbay-discuss mailing list
>     sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
>     <http://us.mc1229.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>     http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
>


-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San Jos?, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
web:  www.structuremonitoring.com

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From perrysandy at aol.com  Thu May 30 22:14:24 2013
From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 01:14:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Display your green courage with pride: Clearance
 on Jill Stein t-shirts and more!
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Hi Jim,

Can you order us another 10 of the Jill Stein shirts? $35 for 10 is a great price. We have sold 4 for $10 each in the last month and only have 2 left. If we now sell them for $5 each we should be able to sell them fairly easily. It might even be worthwhile to order 20.

We discussed it at last Thursday's meeting, before we heard about these new prices, and I was told to talk to you.


Sandy


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From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri May 31 00:34:09 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 00:34:09 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Bike the Math reprise - Thank You!
In-Reply-To: <51A85175.3060908@earthlink.net>
References: <51A85175.3060908@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <51A85271.1050804@earthlink.net>


FYI,

here is an email from the organizer of the Bike the Math
(climate change) protest I participated in Wednesday.
I think the 2 web pages have the same basic info, except
that, as Sven points out, there are more comments on the
KOs page.

There are a LOT of photos.

The Mercury News has an article, which apparently
came from the Contra Costa Times:
"Chevron touts strong year, skeptics question company's environmental
record"
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23346564/chevron-profit-protests-annual-meeting-environmental-record?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com

It also has some photos.

Gerry


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Bike the Math reprise - Thank You!
Date: 	Thu, 30 May 2013 23:42:18 -0700


Hi all,

Thanks so much for coming out bright and early yesterday and taking it
directly to Chevron. I thought it was really amazing and loved the whole
organic and creative energy of it.

Those of you who didn't make it, we missed you but hopefully will do it
again.

I posted my account of Bike the Math that also has some links to
articles in the Chronicle and Mercury News, plus newspaper clippings and
tons of photos on Daily Kos and my personal blog. Take your pick, but
usually more discussion on DK.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/30/1212599/-Chevron-touts-big-oil-profits-past-while-cyclists-generate-people-power-future
http://svenworld.com/2013/05/30/chevron-touts-big-oil-profits-past-cyclists-generate-people-power-future-bike-the-math-rocks/

Keep on pedaling and fighting!

Sven



From gerrygras at earthlink.net  Fri May 31 15:50:44 2013
From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:50:44 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Eshoo Forum 6/1 re Corporate Rights [was Re: Fw:
 [SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?" Community Forum with Rep.
 Anna Eshoo}
In-Reply-To: <519697EE.50600@earthlink.net>
References: <1368664142.67052.YahooMailClassic@web185302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<519697EE.50600@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <51A92944.3040208@earthlink.net>


Just a reminder,

Gerry


Gerry Gras wrote:
>
> There is a web page for this:
> http://peaceandjustice.org/townhall/
>
> Please note that they are requesting that people RSVP
> if planning to attend, so they can make appropriate
> preparations.

Suggested, but not required.

>
> Gerry
>
>
> Caroline Yacoub wrote:
>>
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 5/15/13, Judy Young /<judyy_100 at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>     From: Judy Young <judyy_100 at yahoo.com>
>>     Subject: [SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?" Community
>>     Forum with Rep. Anna Eshoo

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From snug.bug at hotmail.com  Fri May 31 16:12:34 2013
From: snug.bug at hotmail.com (Brian Good)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 16:12:34 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Eshoo Forum 6/1 re Corporate Rights [was Re: Fw:
 [SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?" Community Forum with Rep.
 Anna Eshoo}
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I'll never forget her signature performance at a Town Hall meeting in Scotts Valley a few years ago.  A constituent asked her what was her position on Single Payer healthcare.  She responded by saying health care was an important issue and especially so for low-income people and she launched into a long free-association about everything she'd ever done with respect to health care and everything the Democrats thought was a good idea and when she finally finished up about ten minutes later everybody was so glad that she had stopped talking that probably most of them gave her the benefit of the doubt and supposed that their attention was wandering when she answered the question.  She didn't answer the question.

She's the poster girl for what's wrong with Congress today, most notable for her towering lack of leadership during a period of enormous decline for our once-great nation.  




> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:50:44 -0700
> From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
> To: carolineyacoub at att.net; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Eshoo Forum 6/1 re Corporate Rights [was Re: Fw: [SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?" Community Forum with Rep. Anna Eshoo}
> 
> 
> Just a reminder,
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
> Gerry Gras wrote:
> >
> > There is a web page for this:
> > http://peaceandjustice.org/townhall/
> >
> > Please note that they are requesting that people RSVP
> > if planning to attend, so they can make appropriate
> > preparations.
> 
> Suggested, but not required.
> 
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
> > Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On *Wed, 5/15/13, Judy Young /<judyy_100 at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>     From: Judy Young <judyy_100 at yahoo.com>
> >>     Subject: [SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?" Community
> >>     Forum with Rep. Anna Eshoo
> 
> <clip>
> 
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From tnharter at aceweb.com  Fri May 31 18:00:11 2013
From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 18:00:11 -0700
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Eshoo Forum 6/1 re Corporate Rights [was Re:
 Fw:[SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?" Community Forum with
 Rep.Anna Eshoo}
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Wish I could go, but I have a preexisting bike parking volunteer thing 
at Sunset during that time frame.

Tian

On 05/31/2013 04:12 PM, Brian Good wrote:
>
> I'll never forget her signature performance at a Town Hall meeting in 
> Scotts Valley a few years ago.  A constituent asked her what was her 
> position on Single Payer healthcare.  She responded by saying health 
> care was an important issue and especially so for low-income people 
> and she launched into a long free-association about everything she'd 
> ever done with respect to health care and everything the Democrats 
> thought was a good idea and when she finally finished up about ten 
> minutes later everybody was so glad that she had stopped talking that 
> probably most of them gave her the benefit of the doubt and supposed 
> that their attention was wandering when she answered the question.  
> She didn't answer the question.
>
> She's the poster girl for what's wrong with Congress today, most 
> notable for her towering lack of leadership during a period of 
> enormous decline for our once-great nation.
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:50:44 -0700
> > From: gerrygras at earthlink.net
> > To: carolineyacoub at att.net; sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] Eshoo Forum 6/1 re Corporate Rights [was 
> Re: Fw: [SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?" Community 
> Forum with Rep. Anna Eshoo}
> >
> >
> > Just a reminder,
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> >
> > Gerry Gras wrote:
> > >
> > > There is a web page for this:
> > > http://peaceandjustice.org/townhall/
> > >
> > > Please note that they are requesting that people RSVP
> > > if planning to attend, so they can make appropriate
> > > preparations.
> >
> > Suggested, but not required.
> >
> > >
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > >
> > > Caroline Yacoub wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- On *Wed, 5/15/13, Judy Young /<judyy_100 at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: Judy Young <judyy_100 at yahoo.com>
> > >> Subject: [SCC-MTA-General] Fw: "Are Corporations People?" Community
> > >> Forum with Rep. Anna Eshoo
> >
> > <clip>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sosfbay-discuss mailing list
> > sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org
> > http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
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