From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Jul 2 11:30:11 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:30:11 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Truthdig on Jill Stein In-Reply-To: <57780818.5020406@earthlink.net> References: <57780818.5020406@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <57780833.6050200@earthlink.net> FYI, "She?s No Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?Behind the Scenes With Jill Stein (Multimedia)" http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/behind_the_scenes_with_jill_stein_multimedia_20160701 "This year, more than any other election year in American history, a path exists for a credible independent candidate to win the presidency." Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Jul 7 11:31:28 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:31:28 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Housing, Silicon Valley, and Inequality In-Reply-To: <577E9FBA.50105@earthlink.net> References: <577E9FBA.50105@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <577EA000.2010900@earthlink.net> FYI, "Hundreds of Tenants Are Latest Victims of Silicon Valley's Creeping Inequality" http://commondreams.org/news/2016/07/07/hundreds-tenants-are-latest-victims-silicon-valleys-creeping-inequality Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Jul 8 09:53:48 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:53:48 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] "Green Party's Jill Stein: Sanders Can Lead My Party's Ticket" In-Reply-To: <577FDA65.20203@earthlink.net> References: <577FDA65.20203@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <577FDA9C.5040203@earthlink.net> FYI, "Green Party's Jill Stein: Sanders Can Lead My Party's Ticket" http://commondreams.org/news/2016/07/08/green-partys-jill-stein-sanders-can-lead-my-partys-ticket Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Jul 9 13:03:22 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 13:03:22 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Dem Platform not anti TPP In-Reply-To: <5781582A.1020604@earthlink.net> References: <5781582A.1020604@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5781588A.3020601@earthlink.net> FYI, "Anti-TPP Amendment Fails at Heated Dem Platform Meeting" http://commondreams.org/news/2016/07/09/anti-tpp-amendment-fails-heated-dem-platform-meeting "Josh Fox, director of the fracking documentary Gasland, tweeted, "Every amendment with teeth, which would inspire actual action is getting voted down and the empty ones pass. We need #politicalrevolution."" Gerry From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 11 20:23:51 2016 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:23:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] crowded prisons in Miichigan Message-ID: <578462C7.1020809@sbcglobal.net> In an article http://www.juancole.com/2016/07/spending-education-decades.html revealing prison spending is three times as much as education spending One reader had the folowing comment to offer Mandatory drug sentencing laws passed in 1978 in Michigan caused state prison overcrowding. Those charged with mere possession of a certain amount of narcotics faced a mandatory sentence of life in prison with no parole. Eventually, however, due to the lobbying efforts of groups such as Families Against Mandatory Minimums, those laws were ameliorated to allow for parole after the serving of 20 years imprisonment. Criminalizing those drivers who do not have auto insurance resulted in overcrowding in county jails since about 20% of all Michigan drivers and about 60% of all Detroit motorists do not carry car insurance. It is not uncommon to see vehicles on Detroit streets being operated with no license plates. Auto insurance for Detroit residents can cost up to $4,000 per annum, whereas the average home in Detroit sells for about $10,000 in most neighborhoods. Making unpaid child support a felony in Michigan resulted in many parents being incarcerated, in addition to civil contempt of court charges to enforce payment A large percentage of incarcerated citizens in Michigan are serving time for either drug possession, lack of auto insurance, or defaulted child support obligations. -------- From perrysandy at aol.com Mon Jul 11 22:56:49 2016 From: perrysandy at aol.com (perrysandy at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:56:49 -0400 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] crowded prisons in Miichigan In-Reply-To: <578462C7.1020809@sbcglobal.net> References: <578462C7.1020809@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <155ddade560-6493-25a07@webprd-m34.mail.aol.com> Don't forget that former Green Party congressional candidate Rev. Edward Pinkney is STILL in a Michigan prison after serving 1 1/2 years of a 2 1/2 to 10 year sentence he received for CIRCULATING A PETITION to recall the Mayor of Benton Harbor. If you get a chance, please send him a letter encouraging him in his campaign for justice, and letting him know that he is an inspiration to people everywhere who believe in democracy and economic justice. Sandy Perry His address is: Rev. Edward Pinkney N-E-93 #294671 Marquette Branch Prison 1960 US Hwy 41 South Marquette, MI 49855 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Doyle To: sosfbay discussion group Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2016 8:24 pm Subject: [GPSCC-chat] crowded prisons in Miichigan In an article http://www.juancole.com/2016/07/spending-education-decades.html revealing prison spending is three times as much as education spending One reader had the folowing comment to offer Mandatory drug sentencing laws passed in 1978 in Michigan caused state prison overcrowding. Those charged with mere possession of a certain amount of narcotics faced a mandatory sentence of life in prison with no parole. Eventually, however, due to the lobbying efforts of groups such as Families Against Mandatory Minimums, those laws were ameliorated to allow for parole after the serving of 20 years imprisonment. Criminalizing those drivers who do not have auto insurance resulted in overcrowding in county jails since about 20% of all Michigan drivers and about 60% of all Detroit motorists do not carry car insurance. It is not uncommon to see vehicles on Detroit streets being operated with no license plates. Auto insurance for Detroit residents can cost up to $4,000 per annum, whereas the average home in Detroit sells for about $10,000 in most neighborhoods. Making unpaid child support a felony in Michigan resulted in many parents being incarcerated, in addition to civil contempt of court charges to enforce payment A large percentage of incarcerated citizens in Michigan are serving time for either drug possession, lack of auto insurance, or defaulted child support obligations. -------- _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at lists.cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss_lists.cagreens.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Wed Jul 13 00:12:58 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 00:12:58 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bernie's Endorsement In-Reply-To: <5785E9D6.6000308@earthlink.net> References: <5785E9D6.6000308@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5785E9FA.7000204@earthlink.net> FYI, "Reactions to Bernie Sanders? Endorsement Range From Anger to Optimism" http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/reactions_to_bernie_sanders_endorsement_range_anger_optimism_20160712 "Et Tu, Bernie?" http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/et_tu_bernie_20160712 Gerry From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 13 17:37:53 2016 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:37:53 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] et tu Bernie Message-ID: <5786DEE1.6030406@sbcglobal.net> The fix is in. From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 13 17:45:51 2016 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:45:51 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] compare sci fi to US empire Message-ID: <5786E0BF.8020302@sbcglobal.net> *Tomgram: William Astore, We Have Met the Alien and He Is Us* *http://tinyurl.com/hzlh6oc A former star wars enthusiast makes comparisons to the US Military in foreign lands. Including the comment *Other U.S. military officers have noticed this dynamic. In 2004, near Samarra in Iraq?s Salahuddin province, for instance, then-Major Guy Parmeter recalled asking a farmer if he?d ?seen any foreign fighters? about. The farmer?s reply was as simple as it was telling: ?Yes, you.? How are we perceived, who are we to them?? From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Jul 14 12:04:45 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:04:45 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Fwd: Help - Google is censoring our campaign! In-Reply-To: <5787c5b0d9a71_320b35d99241208@asgworker-qmb2-i-88fcb20e.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> References: <5787c5b0d9a71_320b35d99241208@asgworker-qmb2-i-88fcb20e.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> Message-ID: <5787E24D.7010004@earthlink.net> Jill Stein is asking people to sign her petition asking Google to stop censoring her. If you google "presidential candidates", she is not included: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=presidential+candidates Here's her petition: http://www.jill2016.com/google?utm_campaign=google Below is her email. Gerry -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Help - Google is censoring our campaign! Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:02:40 +0000 From: Jill Stein To: Gerald Gras Jill 2016 Dear Gerald -- *google-petition.png As you may have heard, interest in our campaign is surging right now.* Blowing up. Through the roof! In the last 48 hours, our donations have skyrocketed 999%, 10,000 new people have signed up for the campaign, and 30,000 new Facebook fans have poured in. Google searches for ?Jill Stein? have spiked dramatically. But if you search on Google for ?Presidential candidates?, here?s all you see: Donald Trump. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Bernie Sanders. Gary Johnson. *So we?re asking the #1 most visited website in the world - what about Jill Stein?* *Sign and share our petition to Google: stop censoring the Jill Stein for President campaign!* It?s unacceptable that the world?s top search engine - a website whose very purpose is to help people find information - is apparently keeping our campaign out of their results. Here?s what Google searches for ?Jill Stein? in the past 30 days look like - talk about a hockey stick graph! p_Google_Jill_Stein_trend.png *But here?s what you see when you search for ?Presidential candidates?:* p_Google_no_Jill_wide.png So either someone at Google doesn?t know how to use a search engine - /or they are deliberately excluding our campaign from the results./ *As champions of the free exchange of information over the free and open Internet, we can?t let this continue.* *Sign and share our petition to tell Google: include Jill Stein in your list of presidential candidates!* Thank you for all that you do to help us break through the media blackout in all its forms, and reach everyone with our message of an America that works for all of us. /*It?s in our hands! Jill_Signature.png donate_button_orange.png */ Jill 2016 Facebook Twitter YouTube Tumblr This email was sent to gerrygras at earthlink.net. Click here to Unsubscribe . Paid for by Jill Stein for President PO Box 260197, Madison, WI 53726 Created with NationBuilder From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Jul 14 13:13:55 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:13:55 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Democrats & Progressives In-Reply-To: <5787F1EF.9040502@earthlink.net> References: <5787F1EF.9040502@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5787F283.7020207@earthlink.net> FYI, I think little of this will be new to people on this list. But it might be useful for forwarding to liberal Democrats. "Progressives Have Raised Expectations, and Democrats Have Fought Desperately to Lower Them" http://commondreams.org/views/2016/07/14/progressives-have-raised-expectations-and-democrats-have-fought-desperately-lower Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Jul 15 10:04:30 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:04:30 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bernie's campaign spending was conventional? In-Reply-To: <57891762.1050809@earthlink.net> References: <57891762.1050809@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5789179E.5050100@earthlink.net> FYI, "Bernie?s Fundraising Was Revolutionary. How He Spent His Money Was Not." "What did $220 million buy? Ads, consultants, and a dispiritingly conventional campaign." http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/07/how_bernie_spent_his_millions_was_anything_but_revolutionary.html Gerry From tnharter at aceweb.com Fri Jul 15 12:04:45 2016 From: tnharter at aceweb.com (Tian Harter) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:04:45 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bernie's campaign spending was conventional? In-Reply-To: <5789179E.5050100@earthlink.net> References: <57891762.1050809@earthlink.net> <5789179E.5050100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <96a2783e501f41c3bc8f0b8e7c9535b5@aceweb.com> The things that made Bernie's campaign interesting didn't come from those ad buys. Facebook memes and stuff like that. He may have spent as much on advertising as normal Democrats, but I saw him campaign which is unusual for a Democrat. ---------------------------------------- From: "Gerry Gras" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 10:05 AM To: "GPSCC" Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Bernie's campaign spending was conventional? FYI, "Bernie's Fundraising Was Revolutionary. How He Spent His Money Was Not." "What did $220 million buy? Ads, consultants, and a dispiritingly conventional campaign." http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/07/how_bernie_spent_his_millions_was_anything_but_revolutionary.html Gerry _______________________________________________ sosfbay-discuss mailing list sosfbay-discuss at lists.cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss_lists.cagreens.org Tian http://tian.greens.org Latest change: Added pictures and words about SFBPs Memorial Ride. There's a GPCA pin on a Florida quarter in my home. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Jul 16 20:34:54 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 20:34:54 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Ralph Nader on Election In-Reply-To: <578AFC99.4000504@earthlink.net> References: <578AFC99.4000504@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <578AFCDE.5000500@earthlink.net> FYI, "Ralph Nader on Election 2016: ?Our Country Deserves Better?" http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/ralph_nader_discusses_election_2016_our_country_deserves_better_20160716 "I always believe in voting your conscience, ... Not tactical votes, not ?least worst? votes." Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Jul 21 10:32:34 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:32:34 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] SF Mime Troupe TODAY ... Message-ID: <57910732.2050103@earthlink.net> ... in Mitchell Park, Palo Alto http://www.sfmt.org/schedule/ Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sat Jul 23 13:04:49 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:04:49 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Advice to Bernie Supporters: Support Stein In-Reply-To: <5793CCAE.6040701@earthlink.net> References: <5793CCAE.6040701@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5793CDE1.1020602@earthlink.net> FYI, "Bernie Revolutionaries, Give Your Love to Jill Stein" http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/bernie_revolutionaries_give_your_love_to_jill_stein_20160723 Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Jul 24 21:44:40 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 21:44:40 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] DNC Emails against Bernie's campaign In-Reply-To: <579598DE.20900@earthlink.net> References: <579598DE.20900@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <57959938.8040205@earthlink.net> FYI, "With DNC Leaks, Former 'Conspiracy Theory' Is Now True??and No Big Deal" (from FAIR: Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting) http://us10.campaign-archive1.com/?u=8c573daa3ad72f4a095505b58&id=ec219d1af5&e=719297f917 Gerry From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 25 16:29:26 2016 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (JAMES DOYLE) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Caroline auathorizes --- and her contact References: <828846000.4281467.1469489366278.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <828846000.4281467.1469489366278.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 7/25/16, Caroline Yacoub wrote: > From: Caroline Yacoub > Subject: visit > To: "Jim Doyle" > Date: Monday, July 25, 2016, 12:12 PM > Hi > Jim,I need to tell you that I am rarely at home, so I > don't get phone messages quickly. And my phone book is > lost again, so, if you would not mind, please send me your > phone number and address. I am very sorry I missed a chance > to visit with you. I will not see you Thursday night, > either, because my whole family will be here for four days. > If you need to have me okay something, call my > daughter's house at 408-615-9291.Caroline From j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 25 16:49:13 2016 From: j.m.doyle at sbcglobal.net (Jim Doyle) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:49:13 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Agenda item for Thursday Message-ID: <5796A579.5060002@sbcglobal.net> campaigning for Jill , i.e., electioneering plans Neither Caroline nor I will be at the meeting. Each one of us has visiting family. Jim Doyle From gerrygras at earthlink.net Thu Jul 28 11:30:12 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 11:30:12 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Dems vs. the left In-Reply-To: <579A4EC4.9050304@earthlink.net> References: <579A4EC4.9050304@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <579A4F34.8070304@earthlink.net> FYI, "Corporate Democrats Have Always Hated the Left ? Now They're Shocked to Learn That We Hate Them Back" http://commondreams.org/views/2016/07/28/corporate-democrats-have-always-hated-left-now-theyre-shocked-learn-we-hate-them "... voters have come to realize that Democrats, while they continue to pay fealty to progressive causes, have in many cases done as much harm to the vulnerable as the other side." "One survey suggests that almost half of Sanders's millennial supporters "are thinking about backing a third-party candidate."" Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Fri Jul 29 12:00:19 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:00:19 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Thoughts about lesser-of-two-evils In-Reply-To: <579BA6FF.5000905@earthlink.net> References: <579BA6FF.5000905@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <579BA7C3.1020901@earthlink.net> (This is a hot topic on the GPCA Forum and on the GPSMC discussion list, so I wrote this for them and thought I'd share it with you, FWIW.) Thoughts on the Lesser of Two Evils Concept People are arguing that Greens should vote for Hillary, or at least not vote for Jill, because Hillary is the "lesser of two evils". The basic argument, as I understand it, is 1) not voting for Hillary makes it more likely that Trump will win 2) Trump is more evil 3) the world will be worse off if Trump (the more evil candidate) wins 4) so not voting for Hillary means the world is likely to be worse And I think there are a few subtexts: A) If a Green does not vote for Hillary, and Trump is elected, then that Green is morally irresponsible B) nothing else matters next to who gets elected president C) if a Green does not vote for Hillary, he/she must be doing so for invalid, selfish, and/or stupid reasons D) No one other than Hillary and Trump has a chance of winning the election. Consider the above: 1) not voting for Hillary makes it more likely that Trump will win? First, consider it from an individual perspective. How one person votes does not matter when the front runner in the same state is ahead by more than one vote, OR the state switching does not cause the Electoral College to switch. (NOTE: Some recognize the truth of the Electoral College implications, but few act on it.) The odds of that happening are VERY small. But not impossible. (FWIW, I found the movie "Swing Vote" entertaining, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1027862/ .) And in that case, does that voter bear ALL the responsibility? What about all the other voters who did or did not vote for Hillary / Trump / Jill / Gary / other? Second, consider it from a group perspective. A few percent in a "swing state" can make the difference. But how reliable is the designation of "swing state" or "non swing state", especially in 2016? There were a few upsets in the primaries, there might be some in the general election. 2) Trump is more evil? He has said a lot of things that offend a lot of people. He also has been on both sides of some issues. Comedy Central has a video of the "Trump vs. Trump debate". He looks like a loose cannon. He's definitely scary to a lot of people including myself. ... But so is Hillary. Her track record is troublesome. Polls indicate that both Hillary and Trump have high unfavorability ratings. Consider our history of wars... (I'm not listing them all, there are too many, but these are the major ones, in my opinion, during the time we have had the Democratic and Republican Parties.) 1861-1965 - Lincoln (R) - Civil War 1898-1898 - McKinley (R) - Spanish American War 1917-1918 - Wilson (D) - World War I 1941-1945 - Roosevelt (D) / Truman (D) - World War II 1950-1953 - Truman (D) - Korean War 1963-1963 - Kennedy (D) - Cuban Missile Crisis (technically not a war, but there was a significant chance of having World War III) 1965-1973 - Johnson (D) / Nixon (R) - Vietnam War (Johnson said he did not want to have American boys die in Asia, but in the end he did. And in the 1964 election, Goldwater was projected to be a hawk, and LBJ was supposed to be for peace. About 55,000 Americans and about 2,000,000 Vietnamese died in that war.) 2001-present - Bush, Jr. (R) / Obama (D) / ??? - Mideast Wars (Some say Gore would have kept us out of war. I am skeptical. There was a lot of bipartisan support for various problematic decisions after 9/11.) 3) the world will be worse off if Trump (the more evil candidate) wins? Trump will not be dictator. Yes, he has some executive privileges, and there are problems with our governmental checks and balances, but there are limits. Also, presidents are often able to do things the other party would like to do but can't because of party opposition. For example, Nixon going to "Red China" and Bill Clinton passing NAFTA and "welfare reform" and ending Glass-Steagal. 4) so not voting for Hillary means the world is likely to be worse? Only if assumptions 1, 2, and 3 are correct. A) If a Green does not vote for Hillary, and Trump is elected, then that Green is morally irresponsible? Without knowing the details about how one makes a decision, how can anyone judge someone else as immoral? This situation is not as simple as murder or thievery. All that can be said is "I disagree" or "I find that offensive". B) nothing else matters next to who gets elected president? Congress matters. The states matter. How the public responds to the government matters. What happens in 2020 matters. What happens in 2024 matters. C) if a Green does not vote for Hillary, he/she must be doing so for invalid, selfish, and/or stupid reasons? See A) above. D) No one other than Hillary and Trump has a chance of winning the election? There is an implicit assumption that NO ONE other than Hillary or Trump has a chance. I know, I know, many will laugh at the concept that any other candidate could win. But life is full of surprises, and by now it should be clear that in 2016, we don't have business as usual. So who knows? Remember, most people, even many in the Sanders campaign, were surprised at how well Sanders did. I was surprised. Weren't you? People have said that noone would ever run a mile in less than 4 minutes, but it happened. People said we could never make an airplane that could fly. In 1986 the pundits said that it would take 10 to 30 years for the Berlin Wall to come down, but it came down 3 years later. The world is full of surprises. ... Finally a word about responsibility. Because our electoral system only counts "yes" votes and there are no "no" votes, a candidate only can win by getting enough "yes" votes. Really, those who vote for a winning candidate bear the responsibility for that candidate's actions in office, not the ones who vote for a losing candidate. On a personal note, the only vote I regret was voting for Bill Clinton in 1992, because then I felt partly responsible for his actions. If I were to vote for Hillary and she won, I would be responsible for her actions, good and bad. If I were to vote for Jill and she won, I would be responsible for her actions, good and bad. Gerry From gerrygras at earthlink.net Sun Jul 31 21:46:29 2016 From: gerrygras at earthlink.net (Gerry Gras) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:46:29 -0700 Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Glenn Greenwald's Analysis In-Reply-To: <579ED320.8050507@earthlink.net> References: <579ED320.8050507@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <579ED425.8020905@earthlink.net> FYI, "Greenwald Explains What Out-of-Touch Media Doesn't Get About Trump, Russia, and US Electorate" "'People have been so fucked by the prevailing order in such deep and fundamental and enduring ways that they can't imagine that anything is worse than preservation of the status quo'" Gerry