<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Bob,<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Then there is the issue of the absentee ballots not being counted if the numbers can't affect the outcome because one candidate is far ahead. One wonders how third parties are affected by this, as their votes can be lost in this protocol.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Then again remember the ballots floating in SF Bay a few elections back!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Andrea</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><DIV><DIV>On Oct 3, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Bob Alavi wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV>I have often thought of this. Past a certain LOCAL level, elections become irrelevant ... so why not just toss the names in a hat and draw one?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While it will be much less expensive and simpler than what we have today; it couldn't be worse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ba<BR><BR><B><I>Sam Rafter <<A href="mailto:gyral@yahoo.com">gyral@yahoo.com</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class="replbq" style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I'm glad to see more people discussing election fraud! The simplistic solution<BR>I've been advocating is for everyone to vote by absentee ballot. It's hard not<BR>to have a paper trail that way. For slightly more info on this topic, check<BR>this out:<BR><BR><A href="http://www.verifiedvoting.org">http://www.verifiedvoting.org</A>/<BR><BR>-Sam<BR><BR>> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:45:31 -0700<BR>> From: "Cameron L. Spitzer" <BR>> Subject: [Sosfbay-discuss] "Election Fraud Stuff" from Brian Good<BR>> To: <A href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org</A><BR>> Message-ID: <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Brian sent this to four mailing lists at once, which triggered<BR>> the recipient filter in Mailman. As list owner, I told<BR>> him how to fix it so it would go through, but he never did. <BR>> <BR>> Cameron<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Subject: Election Fraud Stuff<BR>> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:28:24 -0700<BR>> From: "Brian Good" <BR>> To: [six addresses]<BR>> <BR>> RFK has another election article in yesterday's Rolling Stone "Will The<BR>> Next Election Be Hacked?"<BR>> <BR>><BR><A href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked</A><BR>> <BR>> Read his June article about the Ohio irregularities here:<BR>> <BR>> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen<BR>> <BR>> (I can provide paper copies upon request)<BR>> <BR>> Princeton University recently released a study showing that Diebold machines<BR>> could be<BR>> hacked in less than a minute by one person implanting a virus that would<BR>> then propagate<BR>> to other machines.<BR>> <BR>> Mark Crispin Miller is barnstorming in the Bay Area early next month:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> How the election was stolen in 2004 and how the Right will steal it again in<BR>> 2006: An Evening with Mark Crispin Miller, Author of Fooled Again<BR>> <BR>> WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 4TH, 7PM,<BR>> OAKLAND GRAND LAKE THEATER<BR>> 3200 Grand Avenue,<BR>> Oakland Box Office<BR>> (510)452-3556,<BR>> Tickets are $10<BR>> grandlaketheater.com<BR>> (co-sponsored by DemocracyAction,<BR>> Election Defense Alliance, Wellstone Democratic Renewal Club) The evening <BR>> includes: STEALING AMERICA: Vote by Vote<BR>> a New Feature-length Documentary by EMMY-winning, OSCAR-nominated filmmaker<BR>> Dorothy Fadiman<BR>> <BR>> THURSDAY, OCTOBER 5TH - 7:30PM,<BR>> SAN FRANCISCO ROXIE FILM CTR<BR>> 3117 16TH Street @Valencia,<BR>> SF Box Office (415)863-1087,<BR>> Tickets are $10<BR>> Buy advance tickets<BR>> roxie.com<BR>> (co-sponsored by SF for Democracy, Democracy Action,<BR>> Election Defense Alliance)<BR>> <BR>> FRIDAY, OCTOBER 6TH - 7:00PM,<BR>> Ted Adcock Center<BR>> 535 Kelly St. Half Moon Bay<BR>> Tickets are $10<BR>> Special guests include:<BR>> Alan Dechert, Open Voting Consortium<BR>> Jim March, Activist, Author of "The Jim March Papers"<BR>> (co-sponsored by Concerned Citizens of San Mateo County -<BR>> wallace.mckenzie[at]gmail.com)<BR>> <BR>> SATURDAY, OCT 7TH - 3PM,<BR>> BERKELEY MARINA DOUBLETREE HOTEL <BR>> ACLU + BARC (Berkeley, Albany, Richmond, Kensington) Annual Chapter Meeting<BR>> US Elections: Two Views With Mark Crispin Miller and Andrew Gumbel, author <BR>> of "Steal This Vote" (sponsored by BARC+ACLU Annual Meeting, for more info<BR>> call 510-525-9223)<BR>> <BR>> SATURDAY, OCT 7TH - 7:30PM,<BR>> Ingram Hall, First Presbyterian Church<BR>> 1550 Pacific Avenue, Santa Rosa<BR>> Donation: $10<BR>> Sponsored by Sonoma County Election Defense Committee, Progressive Democrats<BR>> Sonoma County<BR><BR>__________________________________________________<BR>Do You Yahoo!?<BR>Tired of spam? 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