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<div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"> There's a lot of confusion about the speed with which the towers came down, and most of it emanates</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">from the official sources and the debunkers. The lead investigator for NIST's $20 million study, Dr. Shyam</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">Sunder, told NOVA in 2006 that the towers came down in 9 seconds and 11 seconds, which would be free </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">fall. This comports with NIST's 2005 report (Section 6.14.4 of NCSTAR 1) that says "the building section </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">above </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><a name="perfunctory">came down essentially in free fall,
as seen in videos."
<br><br> In August 2006 </a></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">NIST issued a FAQ statement saying that they had measured the time for debris </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">freefalling outside the building structure, finding it struck the ground in 9 seconds and 11 seconds. </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">I have looked for evidence of such a study and I can not find it in the NIST report. "Debunkers" seize on</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">this statement in the FAQs and try to deny that Dr. Sunder told NOVA what he said, and that the NIST report</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">says what it says, claiming they were talking about the external debris. </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"> The Section 6.14.4 statement in context is clearly referring not to external debris, but to the upper section</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">of the building falling through the undamaged lower structure: </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><em>"Since
the stories below the level of collapse <br>initiation provided little
resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building
mass, the building <br>section above came down essentially in free fall, as
seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed,<br>the falling
mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below,
which were unable to arrest <br>the moving mass.”</em></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><em><font style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></font></em></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"> Dr. Sunder's statement is clearly about the buildings, not falling debris.</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"> David Chandler, a high school physics teacher, has studied the collapse videos frame by frame and finds</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">that the acceleration involved was 2/3 that of a gravitational collapse, not pure freefall. Even 2/3 freefall</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">is quite astounding, since by the 1st Law of Thermodynamics, the potential energy of the elevated mass </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">of the towers converted to kinetic energy of falling debris must not only do the work of bringing the debris </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">to earth but also squishing, bending, and breaking the steel structure, and pulverizing the 180,000 tons of </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">concrete floors. NIST has never bothered to supply an energetic analysis of the collapse.</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"> Mr. Chandler's studies have shown, as acknowledged in NIST's final report, that Building 7 did come </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">down at freefall in the first 100 feet. NIST tells us freefall means there is no supporting structure at all.</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">For WTC7 to fall vertically in near-perfect symmetry at freefall means all support had to be removed</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">simultaneously.</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br></font><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 22:03:19 -0700<br>From: pagesincolor@yahoo.com<br>To: cbrouillet@igc.org; sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org<br>Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future<br><br><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">After reading material from both sides, I have come to believe that the twin towers could have come down at free fall speed without a demolition process. The buildings are very fragile compared to the forces generated by even a small bump caused by the tops of the towers on their way down. However, that doesn't mean that 9/11 wasn't an inside job in some other way. As an example, consider the reports of cell phone conversations and voicemails recorded allegedly from flight 93. One of the 9/11 truth web sites claimed that someone had done a test to see if you could get a cell phone carried aloft in a Cesna aircraft at 200 mph and 8000 ft elevation to communicate with the ground. The test was a complete failure. No communication
was established with the ground during this test. This in my mind says that the claims of cell phone communications by passengers of flight 93 with places on the ground are false. Note that nowadays some jumbo jets have the capability to carry cell phone traffic while in the air, but this capability did not exist in 2001. Good luck with your presentations Carol. I will be out of town on both dates.</span></div>
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<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">John Thielking</span></div>
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<div style="border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0px; line-height: 0pt; height: 0px; font-size: 0px;" class="hr"></div><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Carol Brouillet <cbrouillet@igc.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:50 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future<br></font><br>
<div id="ecxyiv2003049602"><b>9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future</b> - and the <b>Tenth Annual 9/11 Truth Rally/Parade March </b>on <b>Sunday September 11, 2011 </b>- Theme Satyagraha- The Power of Truth....<br><br>The annual 9/11 Truth Film Festival, benefit for the Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance begins<br> this<b> Thursday, September 8th, 2011, 1 pm to 10 pm</b> at the <b>Grand Lake Theater </b>, 3200 Grand Ave. in Oakland<br> and continues <br>on <b>Sunday September 11th, 2011, 1 pm to 9:30 pm </b>at the <b>Herbst Theatre</b>, 401 Van Ness Ave. in San Francisco<br><br>Speakers include-<br>director of Project Censored <b>Mickey Huff</b>, <br>president of the Media Freedom Foundation <b>Peter Phillips</b>, <br>sister of fallen firefighter David Weiss from Rescue One and founder of Unite in Peace <b>Michele Little</b>, <br>author of <i>Mounting Evidence: Why We Need a New Investigation of 9/11</i> <b>Dr. Paul Rea</b>,
<br>author of <i>Earth into Property: Colonization, Decolonization, and Capitalism</i> <b>Prof. Anthony J. Hall</b>, <br>author of <i>Waking the Global Heart: Humanity's Rites of Passage From the Love of Power to the Power of Love </i><b>Anodea Judith</b>, <br>author of <i>Building the Green Economy: Success Stories from the Grassroots</i> <b>Kevin Danaher</b>, <br>author of <i>World as Love, World as Self - Courage for Global Justice and Ecological Renewal</i> <b>Joanna Macy</b>, <br>filmmakers <b>Ken Jenkins</b> and <b>Brett Smith</b>, <br>Ironworkers Local 377 member <b>Mike Daly, <br></b>radio host of “Community Currency” <b>Carol Brouillet,<br></b>music by<b> The Away Team</b>,<br>MC at the Grand Lake Theater- radio host <b>Bonnie Faulkner </b>from “Guns and Butter,”<br>MC at the Herbst Theatre- comedian<b>Sherry Glaser-Love,</b> the star and author of Off-Broadway’s longest-running one-woman show, “Family
Secrets.”<br><br> In addition to the films-<br> “Psywar: The Real Battlefield Is the Mind,”<br> “You, Me & the SPP: Trading Democracy for Corporate Rule,”<br> “Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup,”<br> “Hypothesis: A Documentary about Prof. Stephen E. Jones,”<br> and the premiere Sunday evening of- “9/11: Explosive Evidence Experts Speak Out,”<br> there will be live streaming from the <b>Toronto Hearings<br></b> and <b>One the Event- Shifting from Fear to Love </b>from Seattle<br><br>Full schedule and details at <a href="http://www.communitycurrency/filmfestival2011.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.communitycurrency/filmfestival2011.html<br></a>Tickets $10 & $7 (for students, seniors, low income).<br>Facebook event at- <a href="http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=269079389776199" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=269079389776199</a>
<br><br>In addition the <b>10th Annual 9/11 Truth Rally/March/Parade</b> will begin <br><b>Sunday, September 11, 2011<br></b>at <b>10 am</b> at the Gandhi Statue, near the Ferry Building in San Francisco <br>parading up Market Street to Halldie Plaza by <b>11 am,</b> and on to the Civic Center by<b> noon.<br></b>With words, poetry, music, along the way. See details at <a href="http://communitycurrency.org/10thanniversary.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://communitycurrency.org/10thanniversary.html</a> <br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>sosfbay-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.cagreens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss</a><br><br></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________
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