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Hi, Brian: Thanks for this. According to Wikipedia ("World Trade
Center"), several surrounding buildings were damaged by debris. To
me, this raises questions about the claims that the buildings fell
straight down like a controlled demolition unless the collateral
damage was done from debris from the impact and / or a relatively
small portion of the mass of the 3 buildings that collapsed fell
outside their footprint. What do you know about this? Thanks,
Spencer <br>
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On 9/7/2011 11:46 PM, Brian Good wrote:
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</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"> There's a lot of confusion about the speed with
which the towers came down, and most of it emanates</font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">from the official sources and the debunkers. The
lead investigator for NIST's $20 million study, Dr. Shyam</font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">Sunder, told NOVA in 2006 that the towers came down
in 9 seconds and 11 seconds, which would be free </font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">fall. This comports with NIST's 2005 report
(Section 6.14.4 of NCSTAR 1) that says "the building section
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">above </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="perfunctory">came down essentially in free fall,
as seen in videos."
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In August 2006 </a></font><font style="font-size:
12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">NIST issued a FAQ
statement saying that they had measured the time for debris
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">freefalling outside the building structure, finding
it struck the ground in 9 seconds and 11 seconds. </font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">I have looked for evidence of such a study and I
can not find it in the NIST report. "Debunkers" seize on</font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">this statement in the FAQs and try to deny that Dr.
Sunder told NOVA what he said, and that the NIST report</font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">says what it says, claiming they were talking about
the external debris. </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"> The Section 6.14.4 statement in context is
clearly referring not to external debris, but to the upper
section</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic
Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">of the building falling through the undamaged lower
structure: </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><em>"Since
the stories below the level of collapse <br>
initiation provided little
resistance to the tremendous energy released by the
falling building
mass, the building <br>
section above came down essentially in free fall, as
seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed,<br>
the falling
mass increased, further increasing the demand on the
floors below,
which were unable to arrest <br>
the moving mass.”</em></font><font style="font-size:
12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><em><font
style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</font></em></font><font style="font-size: 12pt;"
face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"> Dr. Sunder's statement is clearly about the
buildings, not falling debris.</font><font style="font-size:
12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"> David Chandler, a high school physics teacher,
has studied the collapse videos frame by frame and finds</font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">that the acceleration involved was 2/3 that of a
gravitational collapse, not pure freefall. Even 2/3
freefall</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic
Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">is quite astounding, since by the 1st Law of
Thermodynamics, the potential energy of the elevated mass </font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">of the towers converted to kinetic energy of
falling debris must not only do the work of bringing the
debris </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic
Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">to earth but also squishing, bending, and breaking
the steel structure, and pulverizing the 180,000 tons of </font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">concrete floors. NIST has never bothered to supply
an energetic analysis of the collapse.</font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3"> Mr. Chandler's studies have shown, as
acknowledged in NIST's final report, that Building 7 did
come </font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans
MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">down at freefall in the first 100 feet. NIST
tells us freefall means there is no supporting structure at
all.</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans
MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">For WTC7 to fall vertically in near-perfect
symmetry at freefall means all support had to be removed</font><font
style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="3">simultaneously.</font><font style="font-size:
12pt;" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3"><br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 22:03:19 -0700<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pagesincolor@yahoo.com">pagesincolor@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cbrouillet@igc.org">cbrouillet@igc.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth,
Reclaiming Our Future<br>
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<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">After
reading material from both sides, I have come to
believe that the twin towers could have come down at
free fall speed without a demolition process. The
buildings are very fragile compared to the forces
generated by even a small bump caused by the tops of
the towers on their way down. However, that doesn't
mean that 9/11 wasn't an inside job in some other
way. As an example, consider the reports of cell
phone conversations and voicemails recorded allegedly
from flight 93. One of the 9/11 truth web sites
claimed that someone had done a test to see if you
could get a cell phone carried aloft in a Cesna
aircraft at 200 mph and 8000 ft elevation to
communicate with the ground. The test was a complete
failure. No communication was established with the
ground during this test. This in my mind says that the
claims of cell phone communications by passengers of
flight 93 with places on the ground are false. Note
that nowadays some jumbo jets have the capability to
carry cell phone traffic while in the air, but this
capability did not exist in 2001. Good luck with your
presentations Carol. I will be out of town on both
dates.</span></div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;"></span> </div>
<div style="right: auto;"><span style="right: auto;">John
Thielking</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Carol Brouillet <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cbrouillet@igc.org"><cbrouillet@igc.org></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:50 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
[GPSCC-chat] 9/11 Reclaiming the Truth, Reclaiming
Our Future<br>
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<div id="ecxyiv2003049602"><b>9/11 Reclaiming the
Truth, Reclaiming Our Future</b> - and the <b>Tenth
Annual 9/11 Truth Rally/Parade March </b>on <b>Sunday
September 11, 2011 </b>- Theme Satyagraha- The
Power of Truth....<br>
<br>
The annual 9/11 Truth Film Festival, benefit for the
Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance begins<br>
this<b> Thursday, September 8th, 2011, 1 pm to 10
pm</b> at the <b>Grand Lake Theater </b>, 3200
Grand Ave. in Oakland<br>
and continues <br>
on <b>Sunday September 11th, 2011, 1 pm to 9:30 pm
</b>at the <b>Herbst Theatre</b>, 401 Van Ness Ave.
in San Francisco<br>
<br>
Speakers include-<br>
director of Project Censored <b>Mickey Huff</b>, <br>
president of the Media Freedom Foundation <b>Peter
Phillips</b>, <br>
sister of fallen firefighter David Weiss from Rescue
One and founder of Unite in Peace <b>Michele Little</b>,
<br>
author of <i>Mounting Evidence: Why We Need a New
Investigation of 9/11</i> <b>Dr. Paul Rea</b>, <br>
author of <i>Earth into Property: Colonization,
Decolonization, and Capitalism</i> <b>Prof.
Anthony J. Hall</b>, <br>
author of <i>Waking the Global Heart: Humanity's
Rites of Passage From the Love of Power to the
Power of Love </i><b>Anodea Judith</b>, <br>
author of <i>Building the Green Economy: Success
Stories from the Grassroots</i> <b>Kevin Danaher</b>,
<br>
author of <i>World as Love, World as Self - Courage
for Global Justice and Ecological Renewal</i> <b>Joanna
Macy</b>, <br>
filmmakers <b>Ken Jenkins</b> and <b>Brett Smith</b>,
<br>
Ironworkers Local 377 member <b>Mike Daly, <br>
</b>radio host of “Community Currency” <b>Carol
Brouillet,<br>
</b>music by<b> The Away Team</b>,<br>
MC at the Grand Lake Theater- radio host <b>Bonnie
Faulkner </b>from “Guns and Butter,”<br>
MC at the Herbst Theatre- comedian<b>Sherry
Glaser-Love,</b> the star and author of
Off-Broadway’s longest-running one-woman show,
“Family Secrets.”<br>
<br>
In addition to the films-<br>
“Psywar: The Real Battlefield Is the Mind,”<br>
“You, Me & the SPP: Trading Democracy for
Corporate Rule,”<br>
“Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup,”<br>
“Hypothesis: A Documentary about Prof. Stephen E.
Jones,”<br>
and the premiere Sunday evening of- “9/11:
Explosive Evidence Experts Speak Out,”<br>
there will be live streaming from the <b>Toronto
Hearings<br>
</b> and <b>One the Event- Shifting from Fear to
Love </b>from Seattle<br>
<br>
Full schedule and details at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.communitycurrency/filmfestival2011.html"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.communitycurrency/filmfestival2011.html<br>
</a>Tickets $10 & $7 (for students, seniors, low
income).<br>
Facebook event at- <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=269079389776199</a>
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<br>
In addition the <b>10th Annual 9/11 Truth
Rally/March/Parade</b> will begin <br>
<b>Sunday, September 11, 2011<br>
</b>at <b>10 am</b> at the Gandhi Statue, near the
Ferry Building in San Francisco <br>
parading up Market Street to Halldie Plaza by <b>11
am,</b> and on to the Civic Center by<b> noon.<br>
</b>With words, poetry, music, along the way. See
details at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://communitycurrency.org/10thanniversary.html"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://communitycurrency.org/10thanniversary.html</a>
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