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    On 1/3/2012 10:02 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
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        <div>It might keep them from buying Congress, but it can't keep
          them from buying the media.<br>
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          Correct.  However, if we can get control of congress, we can
    initiate a new trust busting era like that of Teddy Roosevelt.  To
    get control of congress, a critical mass of the electorate will need
    to substantially reduce the time they spend with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN,
    Fox.  If that seriously starts to happen, the media will be forced
    to offer more of what the public actually wants in order to retain
    their dwindling audience:  Advertising rates are set based on the
    size and characteristics of their audience.  If the media lose half
    of the top 10% opinion leaders, it could reduce their revenue by
    15%, because that group has on average more money and buys more
    stuff.  :-)<br>
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          Spencer<br>
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              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b>
              Spencer Graves <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a><br>
              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Caroline
              Yacoub <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carolineyacoub@att.net"><carolineyacoub@att.net></a><br>
              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> John
              Thielking <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pagesincolor@yahoo.com"><pagesincolor@yahoo.com></a>;
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">"sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"><sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org></a><br>
              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Tue,
              January 3, 2012 9:48:38 PM<br>
              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
              [GPSCC-chat] I Now Have 2 Community Pages On Facebook<br>
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            On 1/3/2012 9:40 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
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                <div>So Spencer, you don't really believe that the
                  amendment, as it now stands, would hurt small
                  business? I don't have much expertise in the business
                  world, but I can't read it and feel sure about that.</div>
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                  I think the net impact will more likely be positive. 
            Major corporations today provide the money that elect the
            politicians, who then spend a substantial portion of their
            time trying to enact verbiage written by lobbyists for their
            major contributors.  This would not work if a critical mass
            of the electorate paid directly for serious investigative
            journalism that would tell them in more detail how this
            works and would make it clearer to the electorate which
            candidates would actually legislate in the interest of the
            bottom 99%.  The business model of the commercial media is
            selling behavior change in their audience to advertisers. 
            The 1% does not what the public to know exactly the many
            ways in which they get welfare, and they can retaliate
            against honestly liberal media.  They know they do not need
            to feed the mouth that bites them.  <br>
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                  I'd be surprised if passing that amendment would have
            an immediate, dramatic effect.  However, it would make it
            more difficult for the 1% to buy congress and continue the
            current massive transfers of wealth from the 99% to the 1%. 
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                  Spencer <br>
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                <div>Caroline<br>
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                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b>
                      Spencer Graves <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b>
                      John Thielking <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        ymailto="mailto:pagesincolor@yahoo.com"><pagesincolor@yahoo.com></a><br>
                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b>
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                        ymailto="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">"sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"</a>
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                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b>
                      Tue, January 3, 2012 9:33:32 PM<br>
                      <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b>
                      Re: [GPSCC-chat] I Now Have 2 Community Pages On
                      Facebook<br>
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                    Hi, John, et al.:  <br>
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                           It is in the best short term interest of the
                    venal 1% to claim that repealing corporate
                    personhood would hurt small business.  I don't know
                    if that is what is happening, but I would expect
                    that Citizens United and similar organizations would
                    be paying people to write messages on Facebook with
                    claims like, ""SOPA would deprive small businesses
                    (ie web sites) of their property (their domain names
                    and access to their sites) without due process". 
                    Big money in politics today is often spent (a) doing
                    focus groups to find out what kinds of arguments
                    against it resonate with people, (b) following that
                    with sample surveys to pick the strongest of several
                    likely candidates, then (c) circulating that message
                    in a variety of ways, often concealing the source. 
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                          The concerns about SOPA and NDAA are real, but
                    I the primary impact on small business I see from
                    repeal of corporate personhood is that it would
                    deprive the 1% of certain tools they now use to
                    increase their wealth and power at the expense of
                    small businesses.  <br>
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                          (more on your Facebook page citing research
                    that social mobility is lower in the US, where the
                    power of corporations has grown substantially over
                    the past 125 years, than in much of Europe, which
                    reportedly does not have corporate personhood.)  <br>
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                          Spencer Graves<br>
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                    On 1/3/2012 8:44 AM, John Thielking wrote:
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                                size="4">Folks,</font></div>
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                                size="4">I now have two community pages
                                on Facebook which may be of interest to
                                you.  Check them out if you like/if you
                                have time.</font></div>
                            <div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
                                size="4">Thanks.</font></div>
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                            <div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
                                size="4">Sincerely,</font></div>
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                            <div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
                                size="4">John Thielking</font></div>
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                            <div class="actorDescription actorName"><a
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href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Small-Businesses-Are-People-Too/169333889834098"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font
                                  color="#3b5998" size="4">Small
                                  Businesses Are People Too</font></a></div>
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                                size="4">A prime example of the
                                contradictions within the movement and
                                the need to think over carefully the MTA
                                Section 1 is the case of the Stop Online
                                Piracy Act (SOPA). SOPA would deprive
                                small businesses (ie web sites) of their
                                property (their domain names and access
                                to their sites) without due process (big
                                businesses could merely petition a judge
                                claiming violations of copyright and the
                                sites would be <span
                                  class="text_exposed_show">shut down
                                  for a minimum of 5 days before a
                                  hearing could be held to present
                                  evidence). Some in the Occupy movement
                                  are busy protesting this
                                  unconstitutional move by Congress,
                                  while at the same time pushing for
                                  passage of MTA Section 1 which would
                                  make their claims of
                                  unconstitutionality of SOPA moot. So
                                  which is it? Do you support rights for
                                  small businesses or don't you?</span></font></h6>
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                            <div><font size="4">And </font></div>
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                            <h6 class="uiStreamMessage"><span
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                                        class="word_break"></span></font>offhollywood.html</font></a><font
                                  size="4"> for a quick peek at the
                                  possibilities of legally streaming
                                  content for "free" that is often of
                                  higher quality, more original and
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                                  typical Hollywood fare. If you like
                                  what you just streamed, please donate
                                  generously to the site that provided
                                  the content. Thanks.</font></span></h6>
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