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On 1/3/2012 10:02 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
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<div>It might keep them from buying Congress, but it can't keep
them from buying the media.<br>
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Correct. However, if we can get control of congress, we can
initiate a new trust busting era like that of Teddy Roosevelt. To
get control of congress, a critical mass of the electorate will need
to substantially reduce the time they spend with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN,
Fox. If that seriously starts to happen, the media will be forced
to offer more of what the public actually wants in order to retain
their dwindling audience: Advertising rates are set based on the
size and characteristics of their audience. If the media lose half
of the top 10% opinion leaders, it could reduce their revenue by
15%, because that group has on average more money and buys more
stuff. :-)<br>
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Spencer<br>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Caroline
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b> John
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On 1/3/2012 9:40 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
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<div>So Spencer, you don't really believe that the
amendment, as it now stands, would hurt small
business? I don't have much expertise in the business
world, but I can't read it and feel sure about that.</div>
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I think the net impact will more likely be positive.
Major corporations today provide the money that elect the
politicians, who then spend a substantial portion of their
time trying to enact verbiage written by lobbyists for their
major contributors. This would not work if a critical mass
of the electorate paid directly for serious investigative
journalism that would tell them in more detail how this
works and would make it clearer to the electorate which
candidates would actually legislate in the interest of the
bottom 99%. The business model of the commercial media is
selling behavior change in their audience to advertisers.
The 1% does not what the public to know exactly the many
ways in which they get welfare, and they can retaliate
against honestly liberal media. They know they do not need
to feed the mouth that bites them. <br>
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I'd be surprised if passing that amendment would have
an immediate, dramatic effect. However, it would make it
more difficult for the 1% to buy congress and continue the
current massive transfers of wealth from the 99% to the 1%.
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Spencer <br>
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Hi, John, et al.: <br>
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It is in the best short term interest of the
venal 1% to claim that repealing corporate
personhood would hurt small business. I don't know
if that is what is happening, but I would expect
that Citizens United and similar organizations would
be paying people to write messages on Facebook with
claims like, ""SOPA would deprive small businesses
(ie web sites) of their property (their domain names
and access to their sites) without due process".
Big money in politics today is often spent (a) doing
focus groups to find out what kinds of arguments
against it resonate with people, (b) following that
with sample surveys to pick the strongest of several
likely candidates, then (c) circulating that message
in a variety of ways, often concealing the source.
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The concerns about SOPA and NDAA are real, but
I the primary impact on small business I see from
repeal of corporate personhood is that it would
deprive the 1% of certain tools they now use to
increase their wealth and power at the expense of
small businesses. <br>
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(more on your Facebook page citing research
that social mobility is lower in the US, where the
power of corporations has grown substantially over
the past 125 years, than in much of Europe, which
reportedly does not have corporate personhood.) <br>
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Spencer Graves<br>
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On 1/3/2012 8:44 AM, John Thielking wrote:
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<div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
size="4">I now have two community pages
on Facebook which may be of interest to
you. Check them out if you like/if you
have time.</font></div>
<div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
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<div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
size="4">Sincerely,</font></div>
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<div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
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<div class="actorDescription actorName"><a
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size="4">A prime example of the
contradictions within the movement and
the need to think over carefully the MTA
Section 1 is the case of the Stop Online
Piracy Act (SOPA). SOPA would deprive
small businesses (ie web sites) of their
property (their domain names and access
to their sites) without due process (big
businesses could merely petition a judge
claiming violations of copyright and the
sites would be <span
class="text_exposed_show">shut down
for a minimum of 5 days before a
hearing could be held to present
evidence). Some in the Occupy movement
are busy protesting this
unconstitutional move by Congress,
while at the same time pushing for
passage of MTA Section 1 which would
make their claims of
unconstitutionality of SOPA moot. So
which is it? Do you support rights for
small businesses or don't you?</span></font></h6>
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<div><font size="4">And </font></div>
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<h6 class="uiStreamMessage"><span
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final post for 2011: Go to </font><a
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href="http://www.peacemovies.com/offhollywood.html"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font
size="4"><font color="#3b5998"><span>www.peacemovies.com/</span><span
class="word_break"></span></font>offhollywood.html</font></a><font
size="4"> for a quick peek at the
possibilities of legally streaming
content for "free" that is often of
higher quality, more original and
almost always less violent than the
typical Hollywood fare. If you like
what you just streamed, please donate
generously to the site that provided
the content. Thanks.</font></span></h6>
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The Off-Hollywood Page</font></a><font
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family entertainment</font></div>
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