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    On 1/3/2012 9:40 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
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        <div>So Spencer, you don't really believe that the amendment, as
          it now stands, would hurt small business? I don't have much
          expertise in the business world, but I can't read it and feel
          sure about that.</div>
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          I think the net impact will more likely be positive.  Major
    corporations today provide the money that elect the politicians, who
    then spend a substantial portion of their time trying to enact
    verbiage written by lobbyists for their major contributors.  This
    would not work if a critical mass of the electorate paid directly
    for serious investigative journalism that would tell them in more
    detail how this works and would make it clearer to the electorate
    which candidates would actually legislate in the interest of the
    bottom 99%.  The business model of the commercial media is selling
    behavior change in their audience to advertisers.  The 1% does not
    what the public to know exactly the many ways in which they get
    welfare, and they can retaliate against honestly liberal media. 
    They know they do not need to feed the mouth that bites them.  <br>
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          I'd be surprised if passing that amendment would have an
    immediate, dramatic effect.  However, it would make it more
    difficult for the 1% to buy congress and continue the current
    massive transfers of wealth from the 99% to the 1%.  <br>
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          Spencer <br>
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        <div>Caroline<br>
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              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b>
              Spencer Graves <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a><br>
              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> John
              Thielking <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pagesincolor@yahoo.com"><pagesincolor@yahoo.com></a><br>
              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">"sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"><sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org></a><br>
              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Tue,
              January 3, 2012 9:33:32 PM<br>
              <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
              [GPSCC-chat] I Now Have 2 Community Pages On Facebook<br>
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            Hi, John, et al.:  <br>
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                   It is in the best short term interest of the venal 1%
            to claim that repealing corporate personhood would hurt
            small business.  I don't know if that is what is happening,
            but I would expect that Citizens United and similar
            organizations would be paying people to write messages on
            Facebook with claims like, ""SOPA would deprive small
            businesses (ie web sites) of their property (their domain
            names and access to their sites) without due process".  Big
            money in politics today is often spent (a) doing focus
            groups to find out what kinds of arguments against it
            resonate with people, (b) following that with sample surveys
            to pick the strongest of several likely candidates, then (c)
            circulating that message in a variety of ways, often
            concealing the source.  <br>
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                  The concerns about SOPA and NDAA are real, but I the
            primary impact on small business I see from repeal of
            corporate personhood is that it would deprive the 1% of
            certain tools they now use to increase their wealth and
            power at the expense of small businesses.  <br>
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                  (more on your Facebook page citing research that
            social mobility is lower in the US, where the power of
            corporations has grown substantially over the past 125
            years, than in much of Europe, which reportedly does not
            have corporate personhood.)  <br>
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                  Spencer Graves<br>
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            On 1/3/2012 8:44 AM, John Thielking wrote:
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                        size="4">Folks,</font></div>
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                        size="4">I now have two community pages on
                        Facebook which may be of interest to you.  Check
                        them out if you like/if you have time.</font></div>
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                        size="4">Thanks.</font></div>
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                        size="4">Sincerely,</font></div>
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                        size="4">John Thielking</font></div>
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                          color="#3b5998" size="4">Small Businesses Are
                          People Too</font></a></div>
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                        size="4">A prime example of the contradictions
                        within the movement and the need to think over
                        carefully the MTA Section 1 is the case of the
                        Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA). SOPA would
                        deprive small businesses (ie web sites) of their
                        property (their domain names and access to their
                        sites) without due process (big businesses could
                        merely petition a judge claiming violations of
                        copyright and the sites would be <span
                          class="text_exposed_show">shut down for a
                          minimum of 5 days before a hearing could be
                          held to present evidence). Some in the Occupy
                          movement are busy protesting this
                          unconstitutional move by Congress, while at
                          the same time pushing for passage of MTA
                          Section 1 which would make their claims of
                          unconstitutionality of SOPA moot. So which is
                          it? Do you support rights for small businesses
                          or don't you?</span></font></h6>
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                        class="messageBody"><font size="4">The final
                          post for 2011: Go to </font><a
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                              color="#3b5998"><span>www.peacemovies.com/</span><span
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                          size="4"> for a quick peek at the
                          possibilities of legally streaming content for
                          "free" that is often of higher quality, more
                          original and almost always less violent than
                          the typical Hollywood fare. If you like what
                          you just streamed, please donate generously to
                          the site that provided the content. Thanks.</font></span></h6>
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