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On 1/3/2012 9:40 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
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<div>So Spencer, you don't really believe that the amendment, as
it now stands, would hurt small business? I don't have much
expertise in the business world, but I can't read it and feel
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I think the net impact will more likely be positive. Major
corporations today provide the money that elect the politicians, who
then spend a substantial portion of their time trying to enact
verbiage written by lobbyists for their major contributors. This
would not work if a critical mass of the electorate paid directly
for serious investigative journalism that would tell them in more
detail how this works and would make it clearer to the electorate
which candidates would actually legislate in the interest of the
bottom 99%. The business model of the commercial media is selling
behavior change in their audience to advertisers. The 1% does not
what the public to know exactly the many ways in which they get
welfare, and they can retaliate against honestly liberal media.
They know they do not need to feed the mouth that bites them. <br>
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I'd be surprised if passing that amendment would have an
immediate, dramatic effect. However, it would make it more
difficult for the 1% to buy congress and continue the current
massive transfers of wealth from the 99% to the 1%. <br>
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Spencer <br>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b>
Spencer Graves <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> John
Thielking <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pagesincolor@yahoo.com"><pagesincolor@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">"sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"><sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org></a><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Tue,
January 3, 2012 9:33:32 PM<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[GPSCC-chat] I Now Have 2 Community Pages On Facebook<br>
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Hi, John, et al.: <br>
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It is in the best short term interest of the venal 1%
to claim that repealing corporate personhood would hurt
small business. I don't know if that is what is happening,
but I would expect that Citizens United and similar
organizations would be paying people to write messages on
Facebook with claims like, ""SOPA would deprive small
businesses (ie web sites) of their property (their domain
names and access to their sites) without due process". Big
money in politics today is often spent (a) doing focus
groups to find out what kinds of arguments against it
resonate with people, (b) following that with sample surveys
to pick the strongest of several likely candidates, then (c)
circulating that message in a variety of ways, often
concealing the source. <br>
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The concerns about SOPA and NDAA are real, but I the
primary impact on small business I see from repeal of
corporate personhood is that it would deprive the 1% of
certain tools they now use to increase their wealth and
power at the expense of small businesses. <br>
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(more on your Facebook page citing research that
social mobility is lower in the US, where the power of
corporations has grown substantially over the past 125
years, than in much of Europe, which reportedly does not
have corporate personhood.) <br>
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Spencer Graves<br>
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On 1/3/2012 8:44 AM, John Thielking wrote:
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<div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
size="4">I now have two community pages on
Facebook which may be of interest to you. Check
them out if you like/if you have time.</font></div>
<div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
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<div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
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<div class="actorDescription actorName"><font
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<div class="actorDescription actorName"><a
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size="4">A prime example of the contradictions
within the movement and the need to think over
carefully the MTA Section 1 is the case of the
Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA). SOPA would
deprive small businesses (ie web sites) of their
property (their domain names and access to their
sites) without due process (big businesses could
merely petition a judge claiming violations of
copyright and the sites would be <span
class="text_exposed_show">shut down for a
minimum of 5 days before a hearing could be
held to present evidence). Some in the Occupy
movement are busy protesting this
unconstitutional move by Congress, while at
the same time pushing for passage of MTA
Section 1 which would make their claims of
unconstitutionality of SOPA moot. So which is
it? Do you support rights for small businesses
or don't you?</span></font></h6>
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<div><font size="4">And </font></div>
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post for 2011: Go to </font><a
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href="http://www.peacemovies.com/offhollywood.html"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font size="4"><font
color="#3b5998"><span>www.peacemovies.com/</span><span
class="word_break"></span></font>offhollywood.html</font></a><font
size="4"> for a quick peek at the
possibilities of legally streaming content for
"free" that is often of higher quality, more
original and almost always less violent than
the typical Hollywood fare. If you like what
you just streamed, please donate generously to
the site that provided the content. Thanks.</font></span></h6>
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The Off-Hollywood Page</font></a><font
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entertainment</font></div>
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