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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="LEFT">Hi, John and Drew: <br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="LEFT">JOHN: <br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="LEFT"> Citizens United
surely must know about Move to Amend by now and doubtless is
spending lots of money to figure out how to defeat it. The
standard approach to this kind of thing is to run focus groups and
sample surveys to identify what kind of ad campaign would convince
the public that they need corporations to be above the law.</p>
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The claim that small businesses need to be “person” under the
law is, in my judgment, exactly the kind of thing that could be
identified by focus groups and sample surveys as an argument that
could be used to defeat Move to Amend. As long as big businesses are
people under the law, natural persons and small businesses are
subject to the whims of the wealthy.<br>
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DREW: How do you know that the US and Iraq are the only two
countries that have corporate personhood? I'd like to make sure
before I repeat that too many times. <br>
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On 1/7/2012 12:22 PM, Drew wrote:
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<p>My take is that American Exceptionalism is exactly what
lead to the bizarre and dangeroud form of artificial
personhood being granted the rights that only real
people should have - as I'd explained before in most all
of the rest of the world artificial entities are
considered fictitious legal "persons" yes, and are given
"rights", yes, but not inalienable rights that are hard
wired into the constitution in a way that IMO only real
people should be protected. In the rest of the world the
government and legal system are recognized as having the
ability to freely regulate artificial entities - as I
believe common sense would agree, but you're arguing
against.</p>
<p>John, really IMO you're discussion points have been
made here and to continue on this list is just beating a
dead horse. I agree however that the matter is worthy of
discussion within the MTA - just not here since there is
where you could actually impact the wording of the
amendment but here we really can't. It makes sense to
address the question with those that have direct input
on it and leave off the rest of us who don't see the
merit in your proposal and who's discussion list needs
to focus on items that we share in common, not those of
only one member who has been given full opportunity to
state his peace but hasn't persuaded the group to his
point of view.</p>
<p>Green is care!<br>
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<p>Drew</p>
<p>Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android</p>
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