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I'm glad Caroline found a way to do Green work in the name of the Green
Party. That's the right thing to do. I'm sad that the Green Party of
California has become just another "liberal" junk mail operation, but
it doesn't bother me too much. As a junk mail operation they are
motivated to hold onto the brand name against truly evil people who
would misuse it much worse than Mike and Marnie do. It's a place
holder, like the greens.org domain.<br>
<br>
Greens get elected where people are really desperate after their
habitat has been destroyed. Madagascar elected a Green head of state
in the '80s. If you look at satellite pictures of the place you can
see why. Haiti would elect a Green if they didn't have the Lavalas
machine there. Likewise Richmond, CA. California's just not desperate
enough yet. Our time will come again, it's just not now.<br>
<br>
I'd like to clarify something Jim alluded to. I have no idea what
communications went on between Jim and the new controlling group,
regarding the IT group we were part of. I am on good terms with Tim
Laidman, who is now the admin for the virtual machine where
cagreens.org runs. I'm still backing the thing up, because I still
haven't got around to moving that function off the incredibly obsolete
PC in my garage. It's automatic, and it's been remarkably reliable.
(cron, ssh, and rsync.) I resigned from that group at the same time
Jim did, but I suspect not for the same reasons.<br>
<br>
I came to the Green Party in the early '90s because I wanted the
movement for software freedom and personal information security ("Free
Software" as a proper name) to be part of the Green transformation of
society. But that didn't happen. Most Greens were so anti-technology
that they'd thrown away their Whole Earth Catalogs ("access to tools")
and embraced proprietary commercial software, digital "rights"
(restrictions) management, and service bureaus. (Strange but true.)
The rest were too busy to learn anything about the Internet or computer
software. I stuck around to do the work for them, instead, but that
didn't scale. Marnie made it clear that they simply had no use for
anything I do. Jim may have quit, but I was laid off! So now they're
dependent on service bureaus whose main customers are Dem Party
electoral campaigns and Dem satellite enviro junk mail operations like
Sierra Club. Of course there are profound security and social
engineering problems there, but that's Marnie's problem now.<br>
<br>
I'm looking forward to hearing from Warner about his decision.<br>
<br>
-<i>Cameron in San José</i><br>
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On 06/26/2012 06:40 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:
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<div>Since I now appear to be the official representative of the
Green Party in the Single Payer Coalition, I frequently find myself
the only non-democrat in the room--what I call the "lonely little
petunia" syndrome. Everybody there is working toward the same goal. But
I am not one of "them". When I identify myself as a member of the Green
Party during the intros, I get some "I didn't know we allowed aliens in
here" looks. But I don't care. Single Payer is a Green thing, and these
are hundreds of people working to bring it about. They are also going
out to minority communities, and I can go along, and I can be Green. We
don't seem to be doing much of that, although we should be. If I can
work with democrats, I can work with weird Greens, if necessary, to
help accomplish Green things. I don't have to be like them to work with
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I don't mean to belabor the point, but...<br>
<br>
The "internecine warfare" is not limited to internal conflicts, it also
affects the external parts of the party, such as the positions we
officially support or oppose. Accordingly, I've had to ask myself if
the GP really represents my values anymore.<br>
<br>
If the bylaws have become a just relative reference document, do you
think the platform is still the authoritative statement of our
policies? Here's a couple examples from my last days on the CC that
make me ask this question.<br>
<br>
Mike F submitted a proposal to the CC to oppose a bill in Sacramento.
Mike's proposal described the bill, rather vaguely, as prohibiting paid
signature gathering. In fact, the bill sought to prohibit
pay-per-signature schemes, not paid signature gathering in general.
This reform has already been enacted in several states, who now use
pay-per-hour. Pay-per-signature has a long history of fraud, coercion
and abuse. My two messages explaining this to the CC were ignored and
the proposal was to declared to be passed by consensus. The GPCA is now
officially on the side of scammers and frauds who make a living with
pay-per-signature.<br>
<br>
Now that Marnie is "Managing Director of the GPCA," she uses that
position to represent the GPCA at various meetings she attends. Most of
these meetings appear to be with her old allies in the liberal Democrat
camp. I don't have a big problem with the GPCA working with that crowd
occasionally, but the relationship can be tricky. Is there adequate
oversite and feedback for these meetings? From what I saw, Marnie seems
to be acting on her own at these affairs.<br>
<br>
Have you read Marnie's contract with the GPCA? It does give her
authority to represent the GPCA to external organizations. But, that
contradicts the bylaws, which give that responsibility to the Liaison.
The contract also requires all committees and working groups to report
to Marnie for coordination/unification of all party work. But the
bylaws say that's the job of the CC.<br>
<br>
With all policy decisions now under Marnie, does the GPCA really stand
for the issues the rest of us care about?<br>
<br>
Sorry for all the negativity, but I devoted 20 years to building this
organization and it feels like half that time was spent trying to keep
Mike and his friends from taking it over. It was obviously a futile
battle. Now I join the ranks of so many others whom I admired and
worked with, but who gave up on the GP because of the never-ending
conflicts with the Feinstein crowd.<br>
<br>
Jim<br>
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On 6/21/2012 9:55 PM, Caroline Yacoub wrote:<br>
> Ever since the coup, I have thought about whether or not the Green
Party of<br>
> California is my party anymore. The conclusion I have reached is
that there is<br>
> no other party that represents my beliefs better than the Green
Party. I am<br>
> here in Santa Clara County. I can do things that I believe further
the<br>
> interests of the Green Party, America, and the planet without
having to have<br>
> anything to do with "those people." I am very sorry if we lose our
Regional<br>
> Rep, because I think he does, truly represent us. But I am going
to keep using<br>
> the energy I have to try to reach my goals, not to wage
internecine warfare.<br>
> Caroline<br>
> <br>
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> *From:* Jim Stauffer <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jims@greens.org" ymailto="mailto:jims@greens.org">jims@greens.org</a>><br>
> *To:* <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sc-sm@cagreens.org"
ymailto="mailto:sc-sm@cagreens.org">sc-sm@cagreens.org</a><br>
> *Sent:* Thu, June 14, 2012 4:15:10 PM<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [SC-SM] Notice of Intention to Resign from the GPCA<br>
> Coordinating Committee<br>
> <br>
> I've already expressed my opinion on whether or not the GP is
worth supporting<br>
> anymore.<br>
> <br>
> The nullification of bylaws started in earnest last year after the
Berkeley<br>
> GA. That's when the new CC members were elected. That's the group
that was<br>
> hand-selected by Marnie, and took their places on the CC with no
experience<br>
> with the GPCA.<br>
> <br>
> Several members of this group openly stated their purpose on the
CC was<br>
> implement Marnie's Green2012 plan, even though that plan had never
been<br>
> submitted to a GA for decision. I wrote a detailed report
demonstrating that<br>
> the CC implemented Marnie's contract and Green2012 plan while
ignoring most of<br>
> the GA decisions.<br>
> <br>
> This all came about when the CC abrogated its authority to a
controlling group<br>
> consisting of Barry, Mike F, Sanda and Marnie. This small group
has literally<br>
> been running the party, with the Marnie's CC reps rubber stamping
most<br>
> everything the controlling group wants.<br>
> <br>
> Have you noticed that our long-time press secretary, Cres Velucci,
is no<br>
> longer here? He didn't resign. The controlling group's
implementation of<br>
> Marnie's contract simply eliminated Cres by turning over all his
jobs to<br>
> Marnie. After his years of dedicated professional service he was
just booted<br>
> out without so much as a "thank you." The same thing happened to
the IT Group.<br>
> Mike/Sanda/Marnie just took us over and told us to leave. Not only
was there<br>
> no recognition of all we had done for the party, we were called
every name in<br>
> the book and told we were nothing but a problem.<br>
> <br>
> Examples of bylaw violations and usurpation of power would fill a
page. My<br>
> only surprise is that more people haven't left by now.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Jim<br>
> <br>
> P.S. Someone really needs to volunteer to take over as admin of
this list. I<br>
> can't do it anymore.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 6/6/2012 12:04 PM, Gerry Gras wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I suppose some may consider this an inappropriate question,<br>
> > but here it is anyways.<br>
> ><br>
> > FWIW.<br>
> ><br>
> > Is it appropriate to find a replacement to send to a group<br>
> > in violation of its own bylaws? Wouldn't that just enable<br>
> > further violations of the bylaws?<br>
> ><br>
> > I don't have an answer for the question. But somehow I<br>
> > think that just sending a replacement means ignoring the<br>
> > basic problem. I don't know what bylaws were broken,<br>
> > and how serious the violations are, but I can easily<br>
> > believe that there are chronic nontrivial problems with<br>
> > the CC. And I would not be at all surprised if MANY<br>
> > Greens have similar concerns to Warner's.<br>
> ><br>
> > Gerry<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:WSB3ATTYCA@aol.com"
ymailto="mailto:WSB3ATTYCA@aol.com">WSB3ATTYCA@aol.com</a> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:WSB3ATTYCA@aol.com"
ymailto="mailto:WSB3ATTYCA@aol.com">WSB3ATTYCA@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> June 5, 2012<br>
> >> To GP of San Mateo County and GP of Santa Clara County<br>
> >> County Council members:<br>
> >> This email is to notify you that I intend to resign from
the GPCA<br>
> >> Coordinating Committee effective not later than
September 15, 2012, or<br>
> >> upon the earlier designation of a replacement Silicon
Valley Regional<br>
> >> Representative by the County Councils / members of the
respective County<br>
> >> GPs.<br>
> >> I will send a longer message about this after first
writing a year end<br>
> >> status report, but basically after last night's CC
teleconference I am<br>
> >> unwilling to remain a member of that group which, in my
view, acted in<br>
> >> violation of GPCA Bylaws. I did not anticipate this
circumstance when I<br>
> >> volunteered to take the position, and I regret that
events have resulted<br>
> >> in the need for me to leave the CC before completing the
full term.<br>
> >> It is important that the two County Councils begin
recruiting<br>
> >> a replacement immediately.<br>
> >> Yours truly,<br>
> >> Warner S. Bloomberg III</div>
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