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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Occupy San José has NOT made any plans
      for today.  We have a committee working to organize something for
      Oct. 6.  If you'd like to help with that, please let me know;  I
      can help you contact the people organizing that.  Spencer <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 9/17/2012 12:14 PM, John Thielking wrote:<br>
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              <div>My current plan is to go to City Hall at 3PM-5PM
                today.  Anyone else who wants to join me is welcome.</div>
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              <div>John Thielking<br>
                <br>
                --- On <b>Sun, 9/16/12, John Thielking <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pagesincolor@yahoo.com"><pagesincolor@yahoo.com></a></i></b>
                wrote:<br>
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                From: John Thielking <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pagesincolor@yahoo.com"><pagesincolor@yahoo.com></a><br>
                Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Occupy SJ Plans For Sept 17th?<br>
                To: "Spencer Graves" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a><br>
                Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org</a><br>
                Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 7:31 PM<br>
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                          <div>Does Occupy SJ have anything planned for
                            Sept 17th?  I looked on all of their
                            available web pages and I didn't see
                            anything except the Sept 15th foreclosure
                            summit.  I suppose I will wander down to
                            City Hall anyway sometime tomorrow to hold
                            up my signs about derivatives and free
                            education.</div>
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                          <div>John Thielking<br>
                            <br>
                            --- On <b>Sun, 9/16/12, Spencer Graves <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a></i></b>
                            wrote:<br>
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                            From: Spencer Graves
                            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a><br>
                            Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Hearing re. a court
                            challenge in SF on Monday morning, September
                            17<br>
                            To: "Gerry Gras"
                            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gerrygras@earthlink.net"><gerrygras@earthlink.net></a><br>
                            Cc: "GPSCC"
                            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"><sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org></a><br>
                            Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 11:23 AM<br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="yiv1031236104plainMail">Hi,
                              Gerry, et al.:<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                                    I forwarded Gerry's email to the
                              Occupy San José list.  Dave Kadlecek <br>
                              replied that at most two of the plaintiffs
                              hit with this quarter-million <br>
                              dollar judgment were Greens and gave links
                              to more info.  I modified the <br>
                              Wikipedia article on that, and I'm taking
                              a proposal on it to the Occupy <br>
                              San José General assembly at noon today.<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                                    Below please see Dave's comments and
                              my reply.<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                                    Spencer<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              ##############################<br>
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                              Hi, Dave, et al.:<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                                     Thanks for the corrections AND the
                              links to further information. <br>
                                Using the links, I updated the Wikipedia
                              article on "California <br>
                              Proposition 14 (2010)" to summarize the
                              information in those two links. <br>
                                If you have time to review that article
                              and see other changes that you <br>
                              feel should be made, please let me know.
                              (Note, however, that Wikipedia <br>
                              requires "a neutral point of view" and
                              solid sources for what is stated <br>
                              there.)<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                                     Next:  Revise my proposal for
                              today's General Assembly, print, <br>
                              and take them there by noon.<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                                     Best Wishes,<br>
                                     Spencer<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              On 9/16/2012 9:09 AM, Dave Kadlecek wrote:<br>
                              > Spencer and all,<br>
                              ><br>
                              > I also urge those of you who can make
                              it to the court hearing in San<br>
                              > Francisco tomorrow to go, but I have
                              a correction to Spencer's email and<br>
                              > a bit of elaboration.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > The lawsuit (Field v. Bowen) wasn't
                              by "6 Green Party activists", but by<br>
                              > six people, at least four of whom are
                              not Greens (Richard Winger, the<br>
                              > publisher of Ballot Access News, is a
                              Libertarian; Steve Chessin, the<br>
                              > chair of Californians for Electoral
                              Reform, is a Democrat; and Rodney<br>
                              > Martin (Reform Party) and Jeff
                              Mackler (Socialist Action) are with<br>
                              > non-ballot qualified parties).<br>
                              ><br>
                              > As you may remember, Prop 14 brought
                              about the "top two" primary system,<br>
                              > first implemented state-wide this
                              year, which is why there will be only<br>
                              > two candidates on the ballot (and no
                              write-in space) in every race for<br>
                              > U.S. Congress (both House and Senate)
                              and the state legislature (both<br>
                              > State Senate and Assembly) this
                              November. If you don't like Dianne<br>
                              > Feinstein and don't want to vote for
                              her Republican opponent, your only<br>
                              > choice this November will be to
                              abstain; you can't vote for a third<br>
                              > party candidate, because none will be
                              on the ballot, and you can't even<br>
                              > write in "Mickey Mouse" because there
                              won't be a write-in space for U.S.<br>
                              > Senate.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > The lawsuit directly challenged two
                              specific aspects of SB 6, the bill<br>
                              > that implemented Prop 14 (which was a
                              constitutional amendment): one<br>
                              > that said candidates from non-ballot
                              qualified parties couldn't have<br>
                              > their party listed on the ballot, and
                              another that said write-in votes<br>
                              > could not be counted in general
                              elections. The judge ruled against the<br>
                              > plaintiffs in lower court, and the
                              legislature changed the relevant law<br>
                              > (basically to put into the state
                              Elections Code the interpretations of<br>
                              > ambiguous language the Secretary of
                              State had made) while appeals were<br>
                              > in process.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > There were two sets of lawyers on the
                              other side in the case, one from<br>
                              > the Attorney General's office,
                              representing the Secretary of State (the<br>
                              > defendant), and the other from the
                              Nielsen Merksamer law firm<br>
                              > representing Abel Maldonado (who got
                              it on the ballot by extorting the<br>
                              > Democrats in the legislature for his
                              vote on the 2009 budget deal) and<br>
                              > the other sponsors of Prop 14. For
                              those who aren't otherwise aware, the<br>
                              > Nielsen Merksamer law firm is based
                              in San Rafael, with a major part of<br>
                              > their practice representing landlords
                              challenging local rent control<br>
                              > laws and other tenant protections;
                              they used to represent the state<br>
                              > Republican Party when that party's
                              apparatus was controlled primarily by<br>
                              > business interests, but when the
                              social conservative types (i.e., the<br>
                              > ones who really are vehemently
                              anti-gay, anti-choice and anti-immigrant,<br>
                              > as opposed to just using those issues
                              to win votes) took over the party<br>
                              > organization, they switched law
                              firms. It's the Nielsen Merksamer<br>
                              > lawyers who were awarded a quarter
                              million dollars. They didn't trust<br>
                              > the state's lawyers to properly
                              defend the ballot measure they backed,<br>
                              > but instead of going after the state
                              for attorney's fees, they went<br>
                              > after the plaintiffs who had sued the
                              state.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > For more information, see<br>
                              > "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/09/15/some-supporters-of-top-two-open-primary-take-punitive-action-to-crush-opponents-with-crippling-legal-fees/"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/09/15/some-supporters-of-top-two-open-primary-take-punitive-action-to-crush-opponents-with-crippling-legal-fees/</a>"<br>
                              ><br>
                              > and "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://electionlawblog.org/?p=38148"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://electionlawblog.org/?p=38148</a>".<br>
                              ><br>
                              > /Dave Kadlecek<br>
                              ><br>
                              ><br>
                              > Spencer Graves wrote:<br>
                              ><br>
                              >> Hello, All:<br>
                              >><br>
                              >>       The Green party is asking
                              for support against an outrageous<br>
                              >> judgment in court in San
                              Francisco at Larkin and McAllister next<br>
                              >> Monday at 10:45 AM for an 11 AM
                              hearing.  The 6 Green Party activists<br>
                              >> who challenged Prop 14 (the top
                              two primary system) have been ordered<br>
                              >> to pay $243,500 to the attorneys
                              representing the top two system.<br>
                              >> Prop 14 effectively eliminates
                              third parties from the general<br>
                              >> election, except in rare cases
                              where a third party candidate actually<br>
                              >> gets in the top two.  Other
                              states that have this have seen a decline<br>
                              >> in membership of third parties.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >>       This punitive settlement
                              may not stop here, because the same<br>
                              >> judge who assessed this punitive
                              settlement will also hear the<br>
                              >> request request for
                              reconsideration, even though normal court<br>
                              >> procedures require a different
                              judge.  Moreover, this hearing was<br>
                              >> moved up from October to
                              tomorrow, Monday, September 17.  The<br>
                              >> attorney challenging this
                              decision is concerned that he may be
                              levied<br>
                              >> a similar punitive judgment for
                              daring to challenge the $243,500<br>
                              >> settlement.  For more details,
                              see below.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >>       I believe this is an attack
                              on democracy.  If you agree and can<br>
                              >> make it to court in San Francisco
                              next Monday, I encourage you to do so.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >>       Thanks,<br>
                              >>       Spencer<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> -------- Original Message
                              --------<br>
                              >> Subject:     Re: [GPSCC-chat]
                              Fwd: [gpca-forum] Need Bay Area Greens<br>
                              >> help in SF on Monday morning,
                              September 17<br>
                              >> Date:     Sat, 15 Sep 2012
                              23:09:55 -0700<br>
                              >> From:     Gerry Gras <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gerrygras@earthlink.net"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">gerrygras@earthlink.net</a>><br>
                              >> To:     GPSCC <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org</a>><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> I am planning on going to court
                              Monday.<br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Gerry<br>
                              >><br>
                              >><br>
                              >> Gerry Gras wrote:<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> I think this is pretty
                              serious.  I hope Richard<br>
                              >>> Winger (Ballot Access News)
                              and the other 5 get<br>
                              >>> plenty of help.<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> For those who don't remember,
                              Prop 14 is the one<br>
                              >>> that gave us the top two
                              primary system.<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> Gerry<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> -------- Original Message
                              --------<br>
                              >>> Subject: [gpca-forum] Need
                              Bay Area Greens help in SF on Monday<br>
                              >>> morning,<br>
                              >>> September 17<br>
                              >>> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012
                              20:39:49 -0700<br>
                              >>> From: Mike Feinstein <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mfeinstein@feinstein.org"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mfeinstein@feinstein.org</a>><br>
                              >>> To: GPCA Forum <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gpca-forum@cagreens.org"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">gpca-forum@cagreens.org</a>><br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> From: Richard Winger <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">richardwinger@yahoo.com</a>><br>
                              >>> Date: September 14, 2012
                              8:19:06 PM PDT<br>
                              >>> To: <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mfeinstein@feinstein.org"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mfeinstein@feinstein.org</a><br>
                              >>> Subject: I badly hope to
                              obtain help from everyone on this list<br>
                              >>> Reply-To: <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">richardwinger@yahoo.com</a><br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> Dear Mike, if you could pass
                              this on to any California Green Party<br>
                              >>> activists list, I would sure
                              appreciate it.  Obviously it would be<br>
                              >>> most useful sent to bay area
                              Greens.<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> Richard Winger<br>
                              >>> 415-922-9779<br>
                              >>> PO Box 470296, San Francisco
                              Ca 94147<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> --- On Fri, 9/14/12, Richard
                              Winger <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">richardwinger@yahoo.com</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> From: Richard Winger <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=richardwinger@yahoo.com"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">richardwinger@yahoo.com</a>><br>
                              >>> Subject: I badly hope to
                              obtain help from everyone on this list<br>
                              >>> To: <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://us.mc1111.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank">lpsf-activists@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
                              >>> Date: Friday, September 14,
                              2012, 8:13 PM<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> Some of you know that on
                              August 1, Judge Curtis Karnow ruled that
                              the<br>
                              >>> six of us who challenged
                              Prop. 14 in court, must pay $243,500 to
                              the<br>
                              >>> attorneys who intervened in
                              the case for Abel Maldonado and other<br>
                              >>> supporters of the top-two
                              system.  We asked for reconsideration.<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> The attorney for the
                              intervenors has arranged to have the same
                              judge<br>
                              >>> hear the request for
                              reconsideration, even though according to
                              the<br>
                              >>> normal court procedures, we
                              were supposed to have a different judge.<br>
                              >>> And he got the hearing moved
                              up from October to Monday, September 17,<br>
                              >>> at 11 a.m.  Our attorney,
                              Gautam Dutta, a young attorney in Fremont,<br>
                              >>> California, is afraid that
                              this same judge is going to impose<br>
                              >>> sanctions on him for even
                              daring to ask for reconsideration. The<br>
                              >>> attorney for the other side
                              is very cocky and we feel the only<br>
                              >>> recourse is to try to have as
                              many friends in court as possible, so<br>
                              >>> the judge sees that we have
                              support.  Please, if you can possibly come<br>
                              >>> to court at Larkin and
                              McAllister at 10:45 am Monday morning, I
                              would<br>
                              >>> really appreciate it.  We can
                              meet outside the courthouse. Please let<br>
                              >>> me know if you can come. 
                              Thank you very much.<br>
                              >>><br>
                              >>> Richard Winger<br>
                              >>> 415-922-9779<br>
                              >>> PO Box 470296, San Francisco
                              Ca 94147</div>
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