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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">PROPOSITION 35 <br>
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Regarding Prop 35, human trafficking, I personally agree
with Drew: My wife and I both voted "No". <br>
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However, the California and Santa Clara Green organizations
both took "no position". The state organization had an extended
discussion on that issue that, I believe, continued far too long.
I could have misinterpreted the discussion, but it seemed like at
least one individual passionate supported it while another opposed
with equal passion -- and neither seemed to carefully consider the
arguments put forward by the other. <br>
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* Supporters of Prop 35 say that human trafficking is
evil and current laws are not adequate. <br>
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* Opponents agree that human trafficking is evil.
However, they assert that Prop 35 essentially tries to address the
problem by increasing the penalties in ways that could be
miscarried to punish excessively people not involved in human
trafficking. It also fails to cite relevant research into the
reasons the problem persists in spite of current laws. In the
latter category, Prop 35 fails to make adequate provisions for
training a variety of people in different professions who could do
things to improve reporting and prosecutions under current law. <br>
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A summary of this discussion is available at "<a
href="http://www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/35">www.cagreens.org/elections/propositions/35</a>".
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OPENING WIKI.CAGREENS.ORG TO MORE PARTICIPANTS? <br>
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I believe the statewide Green discussion on Prop 35 (and
virtually any other issue of interest) could have been better
managed by opening "<a
href="http://wiki.cagreens.org/index.php/Main_Page">wiki.cagreens.org</a>"
to many more participants. Doing so, I believe, would likely have
produced better summaries of the arguments on all sides of the
issues involved, with fewer problems with people repeating their
arguments seemingly without seriously trying to understand other
positions. <br>
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A more open Wiki could also help attract more people to the
Green party, just as Wikipedia's success is built on its
willingness to permit anyone to edit almost anything. <br>
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Moreover, material organized on "<a
href="http://wiki.cagreens.org/index.php/Main_Page">wiki.cagreens.org</a>"
could in many cases be ported easily to Wikipedia; if Green
concerns were more appropriately reflected there, I think we could
have a bigger impact on the body politic. For example, the
Wikipedia article on SOPA (the Stop On-line Piracy Act) got a
million views between Thanksgiving and Christmas last year. <br>
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When I first raised this question a couple of years ago, I
was told that having it open made it too subject to vandalism and
posting of material contrary to Green values -- and the California
Greens did not have enough administrators. I think we could
control that by requiring everyone to create an account before
they can edit anything -- apart from the Talk pages associated
with existing articles. If needed, we could require everyone to
get someone already in the system to vouch for each new person
before they are allowed to edit anything other than a Talk page.
This should be enough, because the sources of any vandalism and
anti-Green messaging could be easily identified, and appropriate
action could be taken with the perpetrators. <br>
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I'd be happy to volunteer to organize periodic (monthly?)
Webinars / videoconferences on what we might want to do in this
vein and how to do such. I'm a Wikipedian with well over 500
edits, in addition to being an engineer and a statistician who has
used computers not quite daily for almost 40 years. I'm not a
professional software developer, web designer, nor sys admin,
though I've done a little of all three. <br>
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Comments? <br>
Best Wishes, <br>
Spencer <br>
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On 11/6/2012 10:06 AM, Drew wrote:<br>
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<hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span>
</b> Drew <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rainbeaufriend@yahoo.com"><rainbeaufriend@yahoo.com></a>; <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:edenw@gal3.com">edenw@gal3.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:edenw@gal3.com"><edenw@gal3.com></a>;
sosfbay-discuss@cagreens org
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"><sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org></a>; <br>
<b> <span style="font-weight:bold:">Subject:</span> </b>
Re: [GPSCC-chat] propositions <br>
<b> <span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span> </b>
Tue, Nov 6, 2012 6:05:56 PM <br>
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<p>I strongly agree with Eden and urge a no
vote on 35.</p>
<p>Green is GO!</p>
<p>Drew</p>
<p>Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android</p>
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