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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><strong><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Panel
Discussion at Stanford 9 Nov. 2012</span></span></font></strong></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><strong><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff"><br></span></span></font></strong><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">
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<font style="" color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">A recent
report from researchers at Stanford and NYU schools of law, "Living
Under Drones: Death, <br></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in;text-decoration:none" align="LEFT"><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">Injury and Trauma to Civilians From US Drone
Practices in Pakistan", is based on interviews with <br></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in;text-decoration:none" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">victims and
witnesses of drone activity, Pakistani government officials, and many
others. </span></font>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff"><a href="http://livingunderdrones.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Stanford_NYU_LIVING_UNDER_DRONES.pdf" target="_blank">http://livingunderdrones.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Stanford_NYU_LIVING_UNDER_DRONES.pdf</a>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Omar
Shakir, one of the report's authors, says the report's count of
500-to-800 civilians killed is <br></span></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">probably an underestimate. </span></span></font>
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<font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">Effects on
those on the ground: </span></font>
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<font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">1. medical
stress, lack of focus in daily life </span></font>
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<font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">2. fear to
congregate, to attend funerals; "double-tap" strikes hit
rescue workers</span></font></p>
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<font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">Christof
Heyns, UN Special Rapporteur, says the drone strikes may be war
crimes </span></font>
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<font style="" color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">Intel is
questionable. That 80% of prisoners at Guantánamo were released and
92% were never</span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in;text-decoration:none" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff"> charged shows the poor quality of Intel. How much
better can the "kill list" Intel be? </span></font>
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<font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">Studies show
that only 2% of the drone victims are high-level targets. </span></font>
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<font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">74% of
Pakistanis consider the US an enemy. </span></font>
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<font style="" color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">Deputy
National Security Advisor John Brennan claimed [in 2011] there had
been no civilian</span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in;text-decoration:none" align="LEFT"><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff"> casualties. Bob Woodward tells us Brennan knew on
day three [of Obama's term, in 2009] of</span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in;text-decoration:none" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff"> civilian deaths. </span></font>
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<font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">The perps call
civilian casualties "bug splat". </span></font>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><strong><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Dr.
Shahzad Bashir </span></span></font></strong>
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<font style="" color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">At the time
the schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai's shooting by Taliban was in the
headlines, two <br></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in;text-decoration:none" align="LEFT"><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">American killings of Afghan children within two days
of that incident got little comment in <br></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in;text-decoration:none" align="LEFT"><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">the press. We know Malala
Yousafzai's name, but the names of the 16 civilians Sgt. Robert</span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in;text-decoration:none" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">
Taylor shot we don't know. </span></font>
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<font style="" color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">Disproportionality
is an issue, and drone pilots' insulation from danger, the doubts
about the <br></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in;text-decoration:none" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">Intel, abuses of the law. </span></font>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><strong><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Medea
Benjamin </span></span></font></strong>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Obama
said Afghanistan was a good war. Now the majority of Americans say
it's not worth</span></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff"> fighting. 6
months ago 82% of Americans were in favor of drones. That's changing
rapidly. </span></span></font>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Attorney
General Eric Holder says there's no right to judicial process;
executive deliberation</span></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff"> constitutes due process. No accountability, no
transparency. </span></span></font>
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<font color="#000000"><span style="background:#ffffff">References
cited: </span></font>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><strong><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Dr.
Bashir:</span></span></font></strong><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">
Tirman, The Deaths of Others ---6 to 7 million dead in conflicts from
Korea to <br></span></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Iraq. Americans are indifferent to civilian casualties. <br></span></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Joy
Gordon, Invisible War -- 1 million dead in Iraq. <br></span></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff"><br></span></span></font>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><strong><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">Omar
Shakir: </span></span></font></strong><font style="" color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">2010
"Report of the Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or</span></span></font></p><p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff">
arbitrary executions, Philip Alston" </span></span></font>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff"><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/world/03drones.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/world/03drones.htm</a>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0in;border:none;padding:0in" align="LEFT"><font color="#000000"><span style="text-decoration:none"><span style="background:#ffffff"><a href="http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/14session/A.HRC.14.24.Add6.pdf" target="_blank">http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/14session/A.HRC.14.24.Add6.pdf</a></span></span></font></p><br></div></div> </div></body>
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