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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">      The essence of democracy,
      according to the research I've found most persuasive, is not
      elections but civil society, with civil society defined as the
      ability to find common ground with others, set aside your
      differences, and work together for the common good.  Any nation
      with a sufficiently robust civil society will ultimately get
      electoral democracy if they don't already have it.  Conversely,
      formal elections in nations without civil society have tended to
      become increasingly farcical and are often suspended.  (See the
      Wikipedia article on "Civil Society.")  The rise of shock jocks
      calling liberals "pin heads" and equally virulent reactions from
      the left to me are disturbing trends towards reducing the power of
      honest democratic politics in the US.  <br>
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            "Politics is the art of the possible," according to Otto von
      Bismark, who convinced waring German noblemen to set aside their
      differences and build a nation greater than themselves -- modern
      Germany (Wikiquotes for Bismark,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck</a>).  <br>
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            Harvard law professor and constitutional scholar Lawrence
      Lessig identified the corrosive influence of money in politics as
      the "gateway problem" facing the US today in the sense that we
      must solve this problem first before we can hope to make real
      substantive progress on any of the other major problems facing the
      nation and the world today (Wikipedia, "Republic, Lost").  Lessig
      observed that the Tea Party and the Occupy movement have two
      things in common:  <br>
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                  1.  Both oppose crony capitalism.  <br>
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                  2.  Elements of each group accuse any in each group
      that tries to talk with the other of treason.  <br>
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      Lessig says that if we can ignore our differences and collaborate
      on our shared concern, crony capitalism, we can solve that
      problem.  If we don't, the ultra-wealthy will further enrich
      themselves at our expense (Wikipedia, "One Way Forward").  <br>
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            I do not believe that people on the Left know the "truth"
      and people on the Right do not.  I continually look for defects in
      my current knowledge, because I know that I too often do stupid
      things based on things I know that ain't so.  There are clearly
      people in the Tea Party who are paid to do what they can to
      prevent the public from obtaining information Tea Party members
      need to make better decisions.  But people on the Left have blind
      spots also.  <br>
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            I think it's possible to build a broad coalition including
      most of the Tea Party and most of the Greens, Peace and Freedom
      Party, Republicans and Democrats to fix our crony capitalism
      problem.  For more on Lessig's efforts to do this, see
      "rootstrikers.org" and
      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://interoccupy.net/blog/money-out-voters-in">"http://interoccupy.net/blog/money-out-voters-in"</a>. <br>
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            Best Wishes, <br>
            Spencer <br>
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      <br>
      On 11/29/2012 10:55 PM, John Thielking wrote:<br>
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              <div>The Green Party of Santa Clara County consensed to
                co-sponsor the Dec 8th event with Sharat Lin being the
                only speaker. </div>
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              <div>John Thielking, post meeting, has withdrawn
                Peacemovies.com as one of the co-sponsors of the event.
                <br>
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                --- On <b>Thu, 11/29/12, Spencer Graves <i><a
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                wrote:<br>
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                From: Spencer Graves <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a><br>
                Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November meeting Green
                Party of Santa Clara County<br>
                To: <br>
                Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org</a><br>
                Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 10:36 PM<br>
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                    <div class="yiv1444803064moz-cite-prefix">Please
                      post any additions, corrections, clarifications,
                      etc. to this list.  Thanks.  Spencer <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      On- 11/29/2012 3:45 PM, John Thielking wrote:<br>
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                              <div>Seeing no objections to the draft
                                agenda, this is now the final agenda for
                                tonight's meeting. The only addition to
                                the agenda is that an Iranian named
                                Tanyer Vakili  (a friend of Leyla) has
                                confirmed that he will be speaking at
                                the Dec 8th event on Iran, Syria and
                                Israel/Palestine.  Thanks.</div>
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                              <div>John Thielking</div>
                              <div><br>
                                --- On <b>Tue, 11/27/12, John Thielking
                                  <i><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                From: John Thielking <a
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                                Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda For
                                GPSCC GA Meeting On November 29, 2012
                                7:30PM San Jose Peace Center<br>
                                To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 6:48
                                PM<br>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Final

                                             Agenda for November 29,
                                            2012 Green Party of Santa
                                            Clara County GA meeting<br>
                                            <br>
                                            7:00-7:30 </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">So

                                            far as I know, we don't have
                                            a speaker lined up for this
                                            time. possible speaker - a
                                            welfare recipient 5 min?<br>
                                            <br>
                                            7:30 </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Meeting

                                            begins. Identify
                                            facilitator, note taker,
                                            time keeper, vibes watcher
                                            and agenda preparer for next
                                            meeting.<br>
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                    facilitator:  Tian  <br>
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                    Note taker:  Spencer <br>
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                    time keeper:  John t<br>
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                    vibes:  Dana & Gerry <br>
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                    agenda preparer:  John Thielking <br>
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                                            7:35 </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Introductions

                                            and announcements. Changes
                                            to agenda. Review minutes
                                            from October's meeting and
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                    Sat. Dec. 8, New Community of Faith, 6350 Rainbow
                    Dr., San José, CA 95129,  2-4 PM:  Dr. Sharat Lin
                    speaking on "War and Peace with Iran, Syria, and
                    Palestine / Israel"<br>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">AACSA

                                            fundraising fish fry
                                            December 8 African American
                                            Community Services Agency --
                                            What time?   11 - 6  </p>
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                    304 N. 6th St., San Jose, CA 408-292-3157<br>
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                    Tian Harter <br>
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                    Dana St. George <br>
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                    Gerry Gras <br>
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                    Caroline <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Drew Johnson  <br>
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                    Spencer Graves <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Pete O'Brien, Peace & Freedom Party <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    John Thielking <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Fred Dupperault <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    David Merritt<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Sandy Perry <br>
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                                            7:50 </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Treasurer's

                                            report and hat passing. Jim
                                            Doyle As a part of the
                                            treasurer's report: 5 min </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">paypal

                                            donation & $50 annual
                                            fee to SOS </p>
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                    <br>
                    collection:  $30 cash + $25 check <br>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">7:55

                                            Holiday Peace Fair. </p>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Who

                                            is tabling? </p>
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                    Dana & Gerry 11-noon <br>
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                    <br>
                    Betsy 12-2 <br>
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                    John Thielking, all day <br>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Who

                                            is doing our dessert? </p>
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                    Dana St. George <br>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Any

                                            ideas for student helpers? </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">John

                                            and Caroline. </p>
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                                            Human Rights Day march.
                                            Caroline. </p>
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                    <br>
                    Dec. 2 (first Sunday in Dec.) Story & King
                    organized by Volutarios de la Comunidad -- 3 mile
                    march to City Hall.  <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Dec. 7 - austerity crisis march - <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Dec. 10 similar march in Sacramento(?) <br>
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                                            Demonstration to support
                                            Medicare, Social Security,
                                            etc. before they get thrown
                                            off the fiscal cliff. </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Caroline

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                    (1) Flash Mob in San Francisco, Dec. 7, someplace; 
                    contact Sandy.  <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    (2) tentative:  demonstration at Zoe Lofgren's
                    office Monday, Dec. 10 organized by Single Payer
                    Coalition + ???  ... contact Sandy.  <br>
                    <br>
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                                            Sandy and Drew report on
                                            organizing at De Anza (10
                                            min) </p>
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                          Need to make announcements in the proper
                    classes early in each term to get students to
                    volunteer to do project(s) with the Green Party<br>
                    <br>
                          <br>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">8:30

                                            Caroline and Sandy report
                                            about Gavilan organizing. (5
                                            min) </p>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">8:35

                                            Report back from Jr State. </p>
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                    <br>
                    Great event.  Do It Yourself button machine sold
                    like crazy.  <br>
                    <br>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">8:40

                                            Should we start a series of
                                            pizza parties and/or other
                                            general interest events to
                                            build third party support?
                                            Should regular monthly
                                            meetings continue in current
                                            format or should the work be
                                            delegated to
                                            micro-committees who only
                                            have to check in with County
                                            Council to get approval for
                                            spending money? Contact
                                            Libertarians, Peace and
                                            Freedom, etc about pizza
                                            parties. Find out if we can
                                            get a regular venue for a
                                            GMO free potluck instead of
                                            a questionable GMO content
                                            pizza place. And/or should
                                            we try to spice up the
                                            monthly meetings by actually
                                            having speakers at
                                            7PM-7:30PM? </p>
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                    Th. Dec. 27:  Tian will see if he can get his
                    clubhouse for a holiday.  Tian will notify us
                    tomorrow.  <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    ** What about webinars?  <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    ** What about having meetings in different places? 
                    <br>
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                                            youth connections - 5 - 10
                                            min </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in"><br>
                                          </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">9:00

                                            4 year electoral plan 10 -
                                            15 min </p>
                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">infrastructure,

                                            candidate(s), fundraising,
                                            gotv, social media, etc. </p>
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                    <br>
                    Next step:  Get CiviCRM software working for us.  <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Generate joint list of candidates with Peace &
                    Freedom, etc.  <br>
                    <br>
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                                            Jazzing up our literature
                                            and translating it into
                                            Vietnamese. Caroline </p>
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                    Jim Doyle has a volunteer who wants to do
                    something.  We want something more eye catching. 
                    Many places we go in San José, there are more
                    Vietnamese than Hispanic.  <br>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">9:15

                                            Techie committee for web
                                            site(s) and discussion of
                                            issues re:web sites and
                                            their accessibility. For
                                            example John Thielking has
                                            put out a job on a tech web
                                            site that allows people to
                                            hire web developers to hire
                                            someone to find a tech
                                            solution to the Google
                                            mobile rendering problem
                                            (where Google displays an
                                            inadequate “optimized”
                                            display of web pages on cell
                                            phones.) I am requesting
                                            that anyone I hire for this
                                            job will license the html
                                            code solution (if available)
                                            for Peacemovies.com and for
                                            free distribution to the
                                            Green Party and other
                                            interested parties. Caroline
                                            wants the web site to be
                                            updated with the correct
                                            contact info and up to date
                                            issues and events. </p>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">9:25PM

                                            Last minute planning for Dec
                                            8<sup>th</sup> talk with
                                            Sharat Lin and Pete O'Reilly
                                            and possibly one other
                                            speaker on the subject of
                                            War and Peace with Iran,
                                            Syria and Israel/Palestine.
                                            Does the Green Party want to
                                            co-sponsor this event? Do we
                                            need to pay money for the
                                            venue? John is covering gas
                                            money for any out of town
                                            speakers who want to speak
                                            (Peace and Freedom party
                                            invitations have been sent
                                            out to people in SF). No
                                            more than 3 speakers are
                                            recommended for this event.
                                          </p>
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                                          <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">An

                                            Iranian named Tanyer Vakili 
                                            (a friend of Leyla) has
                                            confirmed that he will be
                                            speaking at the Dec 8th
                                            event on Iran, Syria and
                                            Israel/Palestine. </p>
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                          Drew knows a Tanyer.  <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Drew will try to organize a meeting between Sharat
                    and Pete.  <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Spencer proposes the Green Party endorse a
                    presentation by Sharat Lin at the New Community of
                    Faith Dec. 8.  We have a consensus.  <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    John is concerned that more than one point of view
                    be presented.  Drew has Tanyer in his class, and
                    Tanyer talks all the time.  John <br>
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                                            Meeting ends </p>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San José, CA 95126
ph:  408-655-4567
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