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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> The essence of democracy,
according to the research I've found most persuasive, is not
elections but civil society, with civil society defined as the
ability to find common ground with others, set aside your
differences, and work together for the common good. Any nation
with a sufficiently robust civil society will ultimately get
electoral democracy if they don't already have it. Conversely,
formal elections in nations without civil society have tended to
become increasingly farcical and are often suspended. (See the
Wikipedia article on "Civil Society.") The rise of shock jocks
calling liberals "pin heads" and equally virulent reactions from
the left to me are disturbing trends towards reducing the power of
honest democratic politics in the US. <br>
<br>
<br>
"Politics is the art of the possible," according to Otto von
Bismark, who convinced waring German noblemen to set aside their
differences and build a nation greater than themselves -- modern
Germany (Wikiquotes for Bismark,
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck">http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck</a>). <br>
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<br>
Harvard law professor and constitutional scholar Lawrence
Lessig identified the corrosive influence of money in politics as
the "gateway problem" facing the US today in the sense that we
must solve this problem first before we can hope to make real
substantive progress on any of the other major problems facing the
nation and the world today (Wikipedia, "Republic, Lost"). Lessig
observed that the Tea Party and the Occupy movement have two
things in common: <br>
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1. Both oppose crony capitalism. <br>
<br>
<br>
2. Elements of each group accuse any in each group
that tries to talk with the other of treason. <br>
<br>
<br>
Lessig says that if we can ignore our differences and collaborate
on our shared concern, crony capitalism, we can solve that
problem. If we don't, the ultra-wealthy will further enrich
themselves at our expense (Wikipedia, "One Way Forward"). <br>
<br>
<br>
I do not believe that people on the Left know the "truth"
and people on the Right do not. I continually look for defects in
my current knowledge, because I know that I too often do stupid
things based on things I know that ain't so. There are clearly
people in the Tea Party who are paid to do what they can to
prevent the public from obtaining information Tea Party members
need to make better decisions. But people on the Left have blind
spots also. <br>
<br>
<br>
I think it's possible to build a broad coalition including
most of the Tea Party and most of the Greens, Peace and Freedom
Party, Republicans and Democrats to fix our crony capitalism
problem. For more on Lessig's efforts to do this, see
"rootstrikers.org" and
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://interoccupy.net/blog/money-out-voters-in">"http://interoccupy.net/blog/money-out-voters-in"</a>. <br>
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Best Wishes, <br>
Spencer <br>
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<br>
On 11/29/2012 10:55 PM, John Thielking wrote:<br>
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<div>The Green Party of Santa Clara County consensed to
co-sponsor the Dec 8th event with Sharat Lin being the
only speaker. </div>
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<div>John Thielking, post meeting, has withdrawn
Peacemovies.com as one of the co-sponsors of the event.
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--- On <b>Thu, 11/29/12, Spencer Graves <i><a
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From: Spencer Graves <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a><br>
Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Minutes of November meeting Green
Party of Santa Clara County<br>
To: <br>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org</a><br>
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 10:36 PM<br>
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<div class="yiv1444803064moz-cite-prefix">Please
post any additions, corrections, clarifications,
etc. to this list. Thanks. Spencer <br>
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<div>Seeing no objections to the draft
agenda, this is now the final agenda for
tonight's meeting. The only addition to
the agenda is that an Iranian named
Tanyer Vakili (a friend of Leyla) has
confirmed that he will be speaking at
the Dec 8th event on Iran, Syria and
Israel/Palestine. Thanks.</div>
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<div>John Thielking</div>
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--- On <b>Tue, 11/27/12, John Thielking
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Subject: [GPSCC-chat] Draft Agenda For
GPSCC GA Meeting On November 29, 2012
7:30PM San Jose Peace Center<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Date: Tuesday, November 27, 2012, 6:48
PM<br>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Final
Agenda for November 29,
2012 Green Party of Santa
Clara County GA meeting<br>
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7:00-7:30 </p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">So
far as I know, we don't have
a speaker lined up for this
time. possible speaker - a
welfare recipient 5 min?<br>
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7:30 </p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Meeting
begins. Identify
facilitator, note taker,
time keeper, vibes watcher
and agenda preparer for next
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facilitator: Tian <br>
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Note taker: Spencer <br>
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time keeper: John t<br>
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vibes: Dana & Gerry <br>
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agenda preparer: John Thielking <br>
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7:35 </p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Introductions
and announcements. Changes
to agenda. Review minutes
from October's meeting and
approve. Announcement: </p>
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Sat. Dec. 8, New Community of Faith, 6350 Rainbow
Dr., San José, CA 95129, 2-4 PM: Dr. Sharat Lin
speaking on "War and Peace with Iran, Syria, and
Palestine / Israel"<br>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">AACSA
fundraising fish fry
December 8 African American
Community Services Agency --
What time? 11 - 6 </p>
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304 N. 6th St., San Jose, CA 408-292-3157<br>
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Tian Harter <br>
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Dana St. George <br>
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Gerry Gras <br>
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Caroline <br>
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Drew Johnson <br>
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Spencer Graves <br>
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Pete O'Brien, Peace & Freedom Party <br>
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John Thielking <br>
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Fred Dupperault <br>
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David Merritt<br>
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Sandy Perry <br>
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7:50 </p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Treasurer's
report and hat passing. Jim
Doyle As a part of the
treasurer's report: 5 min </p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">paypal
donation & $50 annual
fee to SOS </p>
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collection: $30 cash + $25 check <br>
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<br>
Dana & Gerry 11-noon <br>
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Betsy 12-2 <br>
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John Thielking, all day <br>
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Dana St. George <br>
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ideas for student helpers? </p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">John
and Caroline. </p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">8:05
Human Rights Day march.
Caroline. </p>
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Dec. 2 (first Sunday in Dec.) Story & King
organized by Volutarios de la Comunidad -- 3 mile
march to City Hall. <br>
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Dec. 7 - austerity crisis march - <br>
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Dec. 10 similar march in Sacramento(?) <br>
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Demonstration to support
Medicare, Social Security,
etc. before they get thrown
off the fiscal cliff. </p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">Caroline
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(1) Flash Mob in San Francisco, Dec. 7, someplace;
contact Sandy. <br>
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(2) tentative: demonstration at Zoe Lofgren's
office Monday, Dec. 10 organized by Single Payer
Coalition + ??? ... contact Sandy. <br>
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Sandy and Drew report on
organizing at De Anza (10
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Need to make announcements in the proper
classes early in each term to get students to
volunteer to do project(s) with the Green Party<br>
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Caroline and Sandy report
about Gavilan organizing. (5
min) </p>
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Report back from Jr State. </p>
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Great event. Do It Yourself button machine sold
like crazy. <br>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">8:40
Should we start a series of
pizza parties and/or other
general interest events to
build third party support?
Should regular monthly
meetings continue in current
format or should the work be
delegated to
micro-committees who only
have to check in with County
Council to get approval for
spending money? Contact
Libertarians, Peace and
Freedom, etc about pizza
parties. Find out if we can
get a regular venue for a
GMO free potluck instead of
a questionable GMO content
pizza place. And/or should
we try to spice up the
monthly meetings by actually
having speakers at
7PM-7:30PM? </p>
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Th. Dec. 27: Tian will see if he can get his
clubhouse for a holiday. Tian will notify us
tomorrow. <br>
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** What about webinars? <br>
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** What about having meetings in different places?
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youth connections - 5 - 10
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4 year electoral plan 10 -
15 min </p>
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candidate(s), fundraising,
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Next step: Get CiviCRM software working for us. <br>
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Generate joint list of candidates with Peace &
Freedom, etc. <br>
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Jazzing up our literature
and translating it into
Vietnamese. Caroline </p>
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Jim Doyle has a volunteer who wants to do
something. We want something more eye catching.
Many places we go in San José, there are more
Vietnamese than Hispanic. <br>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in">9:15
Techie committee for web
site(s) and discussion of
issues re:web sites and
their accessibility. For
example John Thielking has
put out a job on a tech web
site that allows people to
hire web developers to hire
someone to find a tech
solution to the Google
mobile rendering problem
(where Google displays an
inadequate “optimized”
display of web pages on cell
phones.) I am requesting
that anyone I hire for this
job will license the html
code solution (if available)
for Peacemovies.com and for
free distribution to the
Green Party and other
interested parties. Caroline
wants the web site to be
updated with the correct
contact info and up to date
issues and events. </p>
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Last minute planning for Dec
8<sup>th</sup> talk with
Sharat Lin and Pete O'Reilly
and possibly one other
speaker on the subject of
War and Peace with Iran,
Syria and Israel/Palestine.
Does the Green Party want to
co-sponsor this event? Do we
need to pay money for the
venue? John is covering gas
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Drew knows a Tanyer. <br>
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Drew will try to organize a meeting between Sharat
and Pete. <br>
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Spencer proposes the Green Party endorse a
presentation by Sharat Lin at the New Community of
Faith Dec. 8. We have a consensus. <br>
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be presented. Drew has Tanyer in his class, and
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