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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi, Drew, John, et al.: <br>
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On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:<br>
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<div><span>If it is only about personalities (which this is not)
I agree with this sentiment, however just as any false or
harmful statement made in public against others it needs to
be challenged also in public.</span></div>
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I see two problems here: <br>
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1. One persons "facts" are another's potentially "false
or harmful statements". <br>
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2. Sometimes the more I say, the less I communicate.
This is particularly true with a long string of emails in the same
thread in a list like this. I haven't paid a lot of attention to
this thread other than to see that Drew and John each have strong
positions about something -- and the issues are easily
misunderstood, because an email thread like this is a very poor tool
for promoting understanding and reconciliation. <br>
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Would Drew and John mind moving this discussion to Wikiversity
under the "Broad political discourse" initiative I'm trying to start
there (<a
href="http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse">http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse</a>)?
In this forum, I would ask the discussion to be organized like a
table with three columns with titles something like "heterodox" and
"orthodox" with "research needed" between the two. This would allow
each side to present their case with the supporting evidence and the
other to raise questions about the evidence. With a little luck,
after some formal analysis and organization of evidence, you can
develop a consensus statement that could then be reposted back to
the group. <br>
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I can provide technical assistance in creating a Wikiversity
page for this and helping answer questions about the Wikimedia
markup language so the discussion is actually productive, and it is
easier to understand the different positions, the evidence behind
same, and how a consensus might be reached. <br>
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Spencer <br>
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Caroline Yacoub <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carolineyacoub@att.net"><carolineyacoub@att.net></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
sosfbay-discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"><sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org></a>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
[GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention<br>
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<div>When something on our discussion list
devolves into a personal contention, I
think those involved should address their
postings to each other rather than to the
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