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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/16/2013 2:43 PM, John Thielking
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<div>Since both Drew and I are friends on Facebook, Drew
could simply post rebuttals on my page Small Businesses
Are People Too. Then we can get back to you with the
results. How about that instead?</div>
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That works for me. Thanks. Spencer <br>
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<div>John Thielking<br>
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--- On <b>Thu, 5/16/13, Spencer Graves <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a></i></b>
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From: Spencer Graves <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:spencer.graves@prodsyse.com"><spencer.graves@prodsyse.com></a><br>
Subject: Re: [GPSCC-chat] discussion vs. contention<br>
To: "Drew" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rainbeaufriend@yahoo.com"><rainbeaufriend@yahoo.com></a><br>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org">"sosfbay-discuss@cagreens.org"</a>
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Date: Thursday, May 16, 2013, 2:06 PM<br>
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<div class="yiv1117550934moz-cite-prefix">Hi, Drew,
John, et al.: <br>
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On 5/16/2013 1:22 PM, Drew wrote:<br>
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<div><span>If it is only about personalities
(which this is not) I agree with this
sentiment, however just as any false or
harmful statement made in public against
others it needs to be challenged also in
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I see two problems here: <br>
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1. One persons "facts" are another's
potentially "false or harmful statements". <br>
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2. Sometimes the more I say, the less I
communicate. This is particularly true with a long
string of emails in the same thread in a list like
this. I haven't paid a lot of attention to this
thread other than to see that Drew and John each
have strong positions about something -- and the
issues are easily misunderstood, because an email
thread like this is a very poor tool for promoting
understanding and reconciliation. <br>
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Would Drew and John mind moving this
discussion to Wikiversity under the "Broad political
discourse" initiative I'm trying to start there (<a
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href="http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse"
rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Broad_political_discourse</a>)?
In this forum, I would ask the discussion to be
organized like a table with three columns with
titles something like "heterodox" and "orthodox"
with "research needed" between the two. This would
allow each side to present their case with the
supporting evidence and the other to raise questions
about the evidence. With a little luck, after some
formal analysis and organization of evidence, you
can develop a consensus statement that could then be
reposted back to the group. <br>
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I can provide technical assistance in creating
a Wikiversity page for this and helping answer
questions about the Wikimedia markup language so the
discussion is actually productive, and it is easier
to understand the different positions, the evidence
behind same, and how a consensus might be reached.
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Spencer <br>
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<font size="2" face="Arial"><b><span
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b>
Caroline Yacoub <a
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:08 PM<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b>
[GPSCC-chat] discussion vs.
contention<br>
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<div>When something on our
discussion list devolves
into a personal
contention, I think those
involved should address
their postings to each
other rather than to the
entire list.</div>
<div>Caroline</div>
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Spencer Graves, PE, PhD
President and Chief Technology Officer
Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc.
751 Emerson Ct.
San José, CA 95126
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