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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Good comments Sandy. I agree
generations blaming ewach other is useless. I do point the finger
at the people though; it is up to them not to be misled, and it
shouldn't be that difficult. McCarthyism could be cited correctly
for blame on the war policies, although it was also because the
military industrial complex responded habitually to communist
threats (Truman and Johnson were not followers of McCarthy, but
they did follow the complex's interests). Communism had some good
points about controlling runaway capitalist greed, but its
totalitarian methods and materialist values don't make it a viable
method at all. But a better balance between socialism and
capitalism that creates real rather than phony "freedom" and
unequal prosperity, is being proposed now, and in the next
decade-plus it will be put forward by Greens and others. <br>
<br>
The Green values and platforms are an excellent roadmap of where
we need to go. Green represents an advance on both democratic
capitalism and socialism, taking the best of both and creating a
new synthesis beyond the Marxist one. It respects the spiritual
and inherent values of life, and brings individual freedom and
collective responsibility into an ecology-like interaction and
inter-dependence, like the person and the environment nourishing
each other.<br>
<br>
Eric the Green<br>
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On 11/11/2013 5:44 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:perrysandy@aol.com">perrysandy@aol.com</a> wrote:<br>
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<div><font style="background-color: transparent;" face="Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif">I think it is wrong and actually
divisive for generations to point the finger at each other
and cast blame. The blame lies with the corporate capitalist
system, not with the American people who have been misled by
politicians, the corporate media, and our
corporate-controlled education system. The "greatest
generation" WAS great - how many of us would leave our
families and communities for four or five years and risk our
lives to defend what they understood was democracy and
freedom?</font></div>
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<div>The greatest generation was ruined by McCarthyism pure and
simple. Political debate in America, which thrived from the
late 19th century (and earlier) up through the early 1940s,
was effectively ended. Communists, socialists, and their
"fellow-travelers" were hounded out of Hollywood, the print
media, radio, and every available means of communication, not
to mention unions, community organizations, cultural groups,
and even social clubs. When the left was shut out of the
debate - as surely as Jill Stein and Cheri Honkala were shut
out of the presidential debates - no wonder the result was war
and "mindless patriotism".</div>
<div> </div>
<div>We still suffer from McCarthyism today, where millions of
people continue to believe communism is a "criminal
conspiracy" as Nixon called it, rather than a viable and
idealistic alternative to our broken economy. It is up to us
to not be afraid to put forward radical solutions to society's
problems. I joined the Greens because they are not afraid to
be different - as they say, the color of courage is green. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I think conditions today are actually more favorable than
ever for proposing a new economic paradigm. For most people in
the greatest generation, capitalism actually worked (see
"Capitalism - A Love Story"). Now it is broken, failing to
provide a living for millions and failing to protect the
environment. It is time for people like us to step forward and
change the world!</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sandy</div>
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Subject: [GPSCC-chat] The Greatest Generation?<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">I was inclined to think so until
I recognized that they were not even <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">smart enough to put wheels and a
collapsible handle on their luggage</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">--why should they be when Red
Caps did all that for them? Of course <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">my disillusionment with the
Greatest doesn't change my evaluation of <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">the Shittiest, my deGeneration,
the one that climbed </span></b><b><span
style="font-family:; font-size: 14pt;"><b><span
style="font-family:; font-size: 14pt;">with
Martin <br>
</span></b></span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">Luther King</span></b> out
of the abyss to peer from the ridgetop, and then
stepped</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">back from the brink of the
Promised Land to settle for cocaine and <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">luxury SUVs and McMansions
instead of making the dream true.</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b><span style="font-family:; font-size: 14pt;"></span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">We did succeed in preventing the
war against Nicaragua, and probably <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">we aided the liberation of South
America such that US-backed torturers <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">can now be prosecuted in Chile
and Argentina, and victims of US -backed <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">torturers could become
presidents in Chile (Bachelet), Uruguay (Mujica) <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">and Brazil (da Silva and
Rouseff). But Hollywood wars in Grenada and <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">Panama and Kuwait enable the
propagandists to claim we accomplished <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">nothing, and that claim enabled
the current crop of corrupt wars that <br>
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">continue today in Bush's fourth
term.</span></b></div>
<br>
<div class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b><span style="font-family:; font-size: 14pt;"></span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;">Here's Professor Francis Boyle's
poetic rant:</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b><span style="font-family:; font-size: 14pt;"></span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;"><br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color: red;
font-size: 16pt;">The Greatest Generation?</span></u></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Oh really?</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">If they were so great</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Then why did they send</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Their Sons so willingly</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Off to die
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">In Vietnam</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">A war they started</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">While we suffered from</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">58,000 young men</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Of my generation</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Were murdered
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">By The Greatest Generation</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Hundreds of Thousands</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Of our Lives were destroyed</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Plus</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:; font-size: 16pt;">
</span></b><b><span style="font-family:; font-size:
16pt;"> 3 million genocided Vietnamese</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Not that “gooks” mattered to The
Greatest Generation</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Then neither did we their Sons
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Why didn’t The Greatest
Generation</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Rise up as One</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">And tell the American Empire</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">That you will not have our Sons</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-size: 12pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Over our dead bodies!</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Hell no!</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">They will not go!</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Why did The Greatest Generation</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Not fight for US their Sons
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Against the American Empire</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">As they did against the German</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:; font-size: 16pt;">
</span></b><b><span style="font-family:; font-size:
16pt;"> and Japanese Empires</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 16pt;">We the Sons of the Greatest
Generation were not worth it</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">They said they were liberating
Peoples in Foreign Lands</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Then why did The Greatest
Generation send their Sons</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">To fight and die</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">In that God-forsaken Land?</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 18pt;">And to murder millions living in
their own
</span></b><b><span style="color: red; font-size:
16pt;">Land?</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Was this some blood-sport</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:; font-size: 16pt;"></span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">we had to play</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">With them as pony riders</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">and US as buzkashi goat
carcasses</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Was it reverse Freudian Oedipal
Complex</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Them killing us off</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:; font-size: 16pt;"></span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">before we got to them</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">And took their place</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Were we blood-sacrifice to
Moloch</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">With them as Priests</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">And we as sacrificial lambs</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 12pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 16pt;">Were they our Abrahams</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 16pt;">Actually murdering US their
Isaacs</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 16pt;">In a Holocaust</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 16pt;">To their Genocidal Yahweh</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 20pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Hard to say</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">What was going on</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">In the Minds of The Greatest
Generation</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 18pt;">If anything at all</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 18pt;">Mindless Patriotism
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 18pt;">The last refuge of them
Scoundrels!</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">They knew all about War</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">then sent their Sons marching
off</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> Into the Valley of Death</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Charge of the Light Brigade</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-size: 12pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">The result was predictable
</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">A Decimated Generation</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 16pt;">A Shattered Generation</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color: red;
font-size: 16pt;">MY GENERATION!</span></u></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="color: red;
font-size: 16pt;">BUT WE ENDED THEIR DAMN WAR!</span></u></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">The Greatest Generation?</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Hell no!</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">A Pathetic Generation!</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: rgb(31,
73, 125); font-size: 12pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">May they ever be tormented</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">By Their Own Son’s Souls</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 20pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: red;
font-size: 20pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 24pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 16pt;">Professor Francis A. Boyle</span></u><span
style="font-family:; font-size: 14pt;"> <br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:;
font-size: 14pt;"> </span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Francis
A. Boyle</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Law
Building</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">504
E. Pennsylvania Ave.</span></b></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Champaign,
IL 61820 USA</span></b></div>
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