<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt"><div><span>See more below. I hope this is the last e-mail about this from me for awhile. We need to focus on Ukraine right now. Crimea just today voted to join Russia by a 95% Yes vote. Hopefully RT America stays on cable tv even after the likely sanctions against Russian investors.<br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 24px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 24px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>John Thielking<br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 18pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> ----- Forwarded Message -----<br> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Thielking <pagesincolor@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "John.Avalos@sfgov.org" <John.Avalos@sfgov.org>; "David.Campos@sfgov.org" <David.Campos@sfgov.org>; "Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org" <Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org>; "Jane.Kim@sfgov.org" <Jane.Kim@sfgov.org>; "Katy.Tang@sfgov.org" <Katy.Tang@sfgov.org>; "Norman.Yee@sfgov.org" <Norman.Yee@sfgov.org>; "London.Breed@sfgov.org" <London.Breed@sfgov.org>; "David.Chiu@sfgov.org" <David.Chiu@sfgov.org>; "Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org" <Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org>; "Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org" <Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org>;
"Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org" <Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org>; Robert Norse <rnorse3@hotmail.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, March 16, 2014 6:03 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Updated Part 2: Full BOS Vote Violated Brown Act? Please Vote Down Bottled Water Ban<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv7906617152"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt;"><div><span>Just as I was sending the previous e-mail another comment was posted on Facebook that characterized the argument over the bottled water ban as being "funny" and the person said that she went to SF all the time in the 1960's when there was no bottled water and she and her friends didn't die. I have an issue with that. The main reason why I am concerned about the bottled water ban is
because I have firsthand experience in watching one of my friends "hit the wall" while walking in various parades in SF on hot days such as SF Gay Pride 2013. My friend does have a clean bill of health from his doctor, after taking a few pills every day, but often complains of not being in good shape. I should think that it would be obvious to anyone familiar with people's various medical conditions that
for some people it can be immediately dangerous to reach a certain point of dehydration that for others would be characterized as "mild". These same people may be counting on the street vendors to have bottled water available. When/if such is not the case they could be sent scrambling for the few remaining blocks that their energy will carry them. I suppose that not everyone takes these facts for granted, so I am underlining them here. Please work to provide the equivalent of water fountains that don't require people to bring their own containers in place of street/park vendors of bottled water if you choose to fully implement the bottled water ban on SF city property. Thank you.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>Sincerely,</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>John Thielking</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>San Jose, CA<br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt;"> <div
style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Thielking <pagesincolor@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "John.Avalos@sfgov.org" <John.Avalos@sfgov.org>; "David.Campos@sfgov.org" <David.Campos@sfgov.org>; "Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org" <Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org>; "Jane.Kim@sfgov.org" <Jane.Kim@sfgov.org>; "Katy.Tang@sfgov.org" <Katy.Tang@sfgov.org>; "Norman.Yee@sfgov.org" <Norman.Yee@sfgov.org>; "London.Breed@sfgov.org" <London.Breed@sfgov.org>; "David.Chiu@sfgov.org" <David.Chiu@sfgov.org>; "Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org" <Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org>; "Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org" <Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org>; "Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org" <Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org>; Robert Norse <rnorse3@hotmail.com>
<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:10 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Updated: Full BOS Vote Violated Brown Act? Please Vote Down Bottled Water Ban<br> </font> </div> <div class="yiv7906617152y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv7906617152"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt;"><div>After having a bit of a discussion with my friends and friends of friends on Facebook the following points came to light: 1) The city of SF has for the past few years provided water bottle refilling stations at events conducted on city property. 2) These water stations were not noticed by me (John Thielking) at any time since I started visiting SF for events in 1995. 3) It is my opinion that tourists by definition are unprepared and should not be expected to provide their own water
containers,
unless you expect them to resort to buying a 20 oz bottle of soda and then refill that at the water station. 4) My minimum suggested solution for tourists who are unprepared and unfamiliar with the SF bottled water ban is to have the SF city spend $10000 or so on paper cups that can be made available
at the water bottle filling stations. Bigger/better signs on the water stations are also likely needed. A first class, but much more expensive solution, would be to install year round drinking fountains connected to city plumbing. Thank you.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Sincerely,</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">John Thielking</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">San Jose, CA<br clear="none"></div> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="yiv7906617152yqt1501202780" id="yiv7906617152yqtfd88396"><hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Thielking <pagesincolor@yahoo.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "John.Avalos@sfgov.org" <John.Avalos@sfgov.org>; "David.Campos@sfgov.org" <David.Campos@sfgov.org>; "Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org" <Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org>; "Jane.Kim@sfgov.org" <Jane.Kim@sfgov.org>; "Katy.Tang@sfgov.org" <Katy.Tang@sfgov.org>; "Norman.Yee@sfgov.org"
<Norman.Yee@sfgov.org>; "London.Breed@sfgov.org" <London.Breed@sfgov.org>;
"David.Chiu@sfgov.org" <David.Chiu@sfgov.org>; "Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org" <Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org>; "Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org" <Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org>; "Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org" <Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org>; Robert Norse <rnorse3@hotmail.com> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:11 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Full BOS Vote Violated Brown Act? Please Vote Down Bottled Water Ban<br clear="none"> </font> </div></div><div class="yiv7906617152yqt1501202780" id="yiv7906617152yqtfd16965"> <div class="yiv7906617152y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv7906617152"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt;"><div>As posted in a comment on Facebook:<br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><span class="yiv7906617152UFICommentBody"><span>I
have numerous bones to pick with the SF Board Of Supervisors over this
new ordinance [the bottled water ban on city property]. First, they may have violated the Brown Act when they
passed it as mysteriously it took only one day for first the BOS
subcommittee to take its final vote on it and the BOS full body to vote
on it, neglecting the 72 hour notice rule. As for the law itself a) it
is not clear if the law will also restrict the sale of bottled soft
drinks which are not recommended in place of bottled water to combat
dehydration on a hot day and b) although the subcommittee was looking at
language that encouraged the city to develop more sources of public
drinking water it is not clear if any specific funding was allocated in
the final version (ie this could be an unfunded mandate which could
result in no public water sources in food deserts such as Dolores Park
for the next 10-20 years while at the same time tourists are not allowed
to buy bottled water from street vendors and/or are forced to buy
bottled soft drinks. ) Finally, I did an experiment where I hung an
empty soda bottle and water bottle from opposite ends of a balance beam.
The soda bottle proved to be heavier than the water bottle. So if
tourists will simply be buying soda instead of water in plastic bottles,
the amount of disposable plastic will only increase.</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"><span><span class="yiv7906617152UFICommentBody"><span></span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><span class="yiv7906617152UFICommentBody"><span>Sincerely,</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"><span><span class="yiv7906617152UFICommentBody"><span></span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><span class="yiv7906617152UFICommentBody"><span>John Thielking</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span><span class="yiv7906617152UFICommentBody"><span>San Jose, CA<br clear="none"></span></span></span></div><div><br clear="none"></div> <div class="yiv7906617152yqt4228672243" id="yiv7906617152yqt07638"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Thielking <pagesincolor@yahoo.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "John.Avalos@sfgov.org" <John.Avalos@sfgov.org>;
"David.Campos@sfgov.org" <David.Campos@sfgov.org>; "Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org" <Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org>; "Jane.Kim@sfgov.org" <Jane.Kim@sfgov.org>; "Katy.Tang@sfgov.org" <Katy.Tang@sfgov.org>; "Norman.Yee@sfgov.org" <Norman.Yee@sfgov.org>; "London.Breed@sfgov.org" <London.Breed@sfgov.org>; "David.Chiu@sfgov.org" <David.Chiu@sfgov.org>; "Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org" <Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org>; "Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org" <Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org>; "Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org" <Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 24, 2014 6:53 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Please Vote Down Bottled Water Ban<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv7906617152y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv7906617152"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,
Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt;">Another reason to vote the ban down is that the ban does nothing to discourage the sale of soft drinks in plastic bottles. Consuming soft drinks instead of water on a hot day further complicates the problems caused by dehydration on hot days as it is not recommended to consume sugary drinks in place of plain water when dealing with dehydration.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">John Thielking<br clear="none"><div><span><br clear="none"></span></div><div><br clear="none"></div> <div class="yiv7906617152yqt7907043472" id="yiv7906617152yqt62952"><div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John
Thielking
<pagesincolor@yahoo.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "John.Avalos@sfgov.org" <John.Avalos@sfgov.org>; "David.Campos@sfgov.org" <David.Campos@sfgov.org>; "Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org" <Malia.Cohen@sfgov.org>; "Jane.Kim@sfgov.org" <Jane.Kim@sfgov.org>; "Katy.Tang@sfgov.org" <Katy.Tang@sfgov.org>; "Norman.Yee@sfgov.org" <Norman.Yee@sfgov.org>; "London.Breed@sfgov.org" <London.Breed@sfgov.org>; "David.Chiu@sfgov.org" <David.Chiu@sfgov.org>; "Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org" <Mark.Farrell@sfgov.org>; "Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org" <Eric.L.Mar@sfgov.org>; "Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org" <Scott.Wiener@sfgov.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 24, 2014 6:47 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Please Vote Down Bottled Water Ban<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div
class="yiv7906617152y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv7906617152"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:18pt;"><div>While I appreciate the efforts of SF city govt to rein in pollution and excessive production carbon footprints associated with bottled water by promoting a ban of bottled water under 22 oz on city property, I must object for the following reason:</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Often people from out of town who are on the street at a festival conducted on city property such as the Gay Pride Festival may not be able to find a store not on city property that can sell bottled water. At the last gay Pride Parade event there was a small store
located near the event that I could have gone to, but in the real world there is no
guarantee that that one small store would not run out of bottled water. The vendors on the street are much better suited to supply large crowds with the amount of bottled water that is needed for the event. That particular day was quite hot and going without bottled water would have been quite dangerous. Other events, such as those conducted at Dolores Park, are not near stores that I am familiar with. Please reconsider your campaign to ban the sale of smaller bottles of bottled water on city property. Thank you.</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">Sincerely,</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0,
0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br clear="none"></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">John Thielking</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:24px;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;">San Jose, CA<br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div></div> </div></div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div></div> </div></div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div></div><div class="yiv7906617152yqt1501202780" id="yiv7906617152yqtfd84149"> </div></div><div class="yiv7906617152yqt1501202780"
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