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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> The US has tried to countermand
local elections for quite some time. <br>
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* 1952: President Truman endorsed a military coup on
Cuba when it became clear that the US puppet there would lose.
Fidel Castro was running for some minor office in that election.
It's cancellation pushed him to adopt more radical measures. <br>
<br>
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* 1953: President Eisenhower ordered the Central
Intelligence Agency to organize the secret destruction of
democracy in Iran, and subjected that country to a quarter century
of state terror. Iran has no reason to fear the intentions of the
US? <br>
<br>
<br>
* 1964: President Johnson ordered the destruction of
democracy in Brazil. The current president of Brazil, Dilma
Rousseff, is telling the world she was tortured by that
dictatorship in the 1970s. Is that in our interest or the
interest of the Brazilians? <br>
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<br>
The US has been intervening in foreign countries at least
since President Washington sent US tax money to plantation owners
in Haiti to help them suppress a slave rebellion there during the
French Revolution. However, that did not involve countermanding a
local election. <br>
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I have two blogs at "sanjosepeace.wordpress.com" that
provide more examples (with citations for those who would like to
know even more). <br>
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<br>
Thanks for asking. <br>
<br>
<br>
Spencer <br>
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On 3/17/2014 8:21 AM, Leedobell wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> What would Obama do
if Texas were 80% Spanish Speakers and voted to
succeed from the US and rejoin Mexico -- AND Mexico
had a few thousand nuclear weapons and troops in
Texas? <br>
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According to Al Jazeera, 83 percent of the
eligible voters cast ballots. Thus, at least 79 %
(0.83 * 0.95) of the Crimean population voted to join
Russia. <br>
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This is not a surprise, as the Ukrainian
Parliament voted 3 weeks ago to tell their
Russian-speaking minority they could not use Russian
in government offices. Acting <br>
President Turchynov vetoed the measure, but the
message was heard very clearly by Putin and the
Russian speakers in the Crimea. In fact, the Crimea
and the Eastern Ukraine were transferred to the
Ukraine from Russia in 1954 after having been a part
of Russia for the previous 160 years. They had not
previously been part of the Ukraine. <br>
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This is the exact opposite of what Canada did 45
years ago: In 1969 with a popular separatist movement
in Quebec, the Canadian Parliament gave French
co-equal status with English. The English Canadians
told the Quebecois they were part of Canada. <br>
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There are several recent precedents for this: <br>
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* In the 1990s, Bosnia and Kosovo became
independent of Serbia after very bloody wars. <br>
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* In 1992-3 Czechoslovakia split
peacefully into the Czech Republic and Slovakia. <br>
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* In 1919 plebiscites were held in
Schleswig to determine the border between German and
Denmark. The Danish king was offered Schleswig and
Holstein as part of the Treaty of Versailles.
Schleswig and Holstein had been part of Denmark in
1860 and had fought wars of independence in 1864-6.
To avoid a repeat of this, the Danish king organized
these plebiscites. Northern Schleswig voted to stay
with Denmark. Southern Schleswig voted to stay with
Germany. <br>
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<br>
Putin moved to both protect both the Russian
minority in the Crimea and Russian military facilities
there. <br>
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<br>
Spencer <br>
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On 3/16/2014 6:09 PM, John Thielking wrote:<br>
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<div><span>See more below. I hope this is the last
e-mail about this from me for awhile. We need to
focus on Ukraine right now. Crimea just today
voted to join Russia by a 95% Yes vote.
Hopefully RT America stays on cable tv even
after the likely sanctions against Russian
investors.<br>
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