From earthworks_works at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 14:48:58 2011 From: earthworks_works at yahoo.com (Kendra Gonzales) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:48:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [StrategyPlan] FINAL draft Strategy Invite to County Contacts Message-ID: <131793.76884.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I'm hoping for support on sending this to County Contacts as soon as Bert and I have finished the Topic Pages on Wiki:? ? Fellow Greens, 2011 is the ideal time to set goals for the Party and develop strategies to implement them! The Green Party of California?is very excited about?creating? "The GPCA Strategic Action Plan" ?? Your input is absolutely vital in making this happen!! ? We have?very basic questions to ask Greens in?every County: What can?The Green Party of California accomplish in 2011/2012?. How? What?can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next?5 years? How? What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 10 years? How? Please forward this?message to your local?lists, present?and discuss?at your next meeting, or however else?you want to?share this exciting proejct with other Greens. We?plan to collect your responses, blend them with things?we've been talking about, and create a draft?outline?GPCA Strategic Action Plan for our?Spring Plenary. This?document will be continually evolving throughout 2011 and needs to be something useful for all of us as we plan ahead. We've made it really easy!. Just go to this link: http://wiki.cagreens.org.? Log-in or create an account. (10 seconds) Choose "GPCA Strategic Action Plan" Type or paste?your input directly on to the Discussion Page(s) of your choice. You are invited to share your ideas on all the Strategy Topics. Please keep your answers short, specific,?realistic,?and action based. We also have an email listserve as back-up for your responses if you prefer: ?http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan The list is configured for open subscription, you do not need admin approval to subscribe. The address to send a message to this list is strategyplan at cagreens.org. Wiki is a much better format than email for gathering lots of data, please give it a try. Its really quite easy! Please post your input on Wiki no later than the End of February. We look forward to hearing from you........ Let's get this Party started!! -GPCA Working Groups and Coordinating Committee? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jims at greens.org Sun Jan 2 18:29:10 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:29:10 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] FINAL draft Strategy Invite to County Contacts In-Reply-To: <131793.76884.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <131793.76884.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D213476.4080506@greens.org> On 1/2/2011 2:48 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > We also have an email listserve as back-up for your responses if you prefer: > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > The list is configured for open subscription, you do not need admin approval > to subscribe. The address to send a message to this list is > strategyplan at cagreens.org . > Kendra - I'm confused about what you're aiming for with this section. Are you inviting people to subscribe to the list? That's what it sounds like, but I'm not sure we should be doing that. If you're just providing an alternate for those who don't want to wiki, then we should just provide the 'mailto' address. Jim From earthworks_works at yahoo.com Sun Jan 2 20:08:23 2011 From: earthworks_works at yahoo.com (Kendra Gonzales) Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:08:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [StrategyPlan] FINAL draft Strategy Invite to County Contacts In-Reply-To: <4D213476.4080506@greens.org> References: <131793.76884.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D213476.4080506@greens.org> Message-ID: <47395.34301.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> We had talked about having a "back-up" for those who just won't use?Wiki, so that is what?I included. Am I understanding Jim that you suggest we don't include the link to subscribe? If that is the case, then?Greens will only be able to post their ideas, but not read any of the other postings....seems kind of one-sided to me. Shouldn't we be offering a means for exchange of ideas? That is what Wiki is going to do, so why wouldn't we want to offer the same sort of thing with any alternative means of communication?. ________________________________ From: Jim Stauffer To: GPCA Strategy Planning Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 6:29:10 PM Subject: Re: [StrategyPlan] FINAL draft Strategy Invite to County Contacts On 1/2/2011 2:48 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > We also have an email listserve as back-up for your responses if you prefer: > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > The list is configured for open subscription, you do not need admin approval > to subscribe. The address to send a message to this list is > strategyplan at cagreens.org . > Kendra - I'm confused about what you're aiming for with this section. Are you inviting people to subscribe to the list? That's what it sounds like, but I'm not sure we should be doing that. If you're just providing an alternate for those who don't want to wiki, then we should just provide the 'mailto' address. Jim _______________________________________________ StrategyPlan mailing list StrategyPlan at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jims at greens.org Mon Jan 3 18:05:38 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:05:38 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] FINAL draft Strategy Invite to County Contacts In-Reply-To: <47395.34301.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <131793.76884.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D213476.4080506@greens.org> <47395.34301.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D228072.40401@greens.org> I thought the plan was that someone would capture the emails and post them to wiki. There probably won't be too many emails. Having people looking in two different places for all the comments isn't a good idea. Yes, I'm suggesting they do not need to subscribe to the list. Suggested wording: "If you have problems with the wiki, you can email your comments to the Strategy Planning list (mailto:strategyplan at cagreens.org) and we will post it to the wiki for you. But please try using the wiki to save us some work." Jim On 1/2/2011 8:08 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > We had talked about having a "back-up" for those who just won't use Wiki, so > that is what I included. Am I understanding Jim that you suggest we don't > include the link to subscribe? If that is the case, then Greens will only be > able to post their ideas, but not read any of the other postings....seems kind > of one-sided to me. Shouldn't we be offering a means for exchange of ideas? > That is what Wiki is going to do, so why wouldn't we want to offer the same > sort of thing with any alternative means of communication?. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Stauffer > *To:* GPCA Strategy Planning > *Sent:* Sun, January 2, 2011 6:29:10 PM > *Subject:* Re: [StrategyPlan] FINAL draft Strategy Invite to County Contacts > > > On 1/2/2011 2:48 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > > > We also have an email listserve as back-up for your responses if you prefer: > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > > The list is configured for open subscription, you do not need admin approval > > to subscribe. The address to send a message to this list is > > strategyplan at cagreens.org > >. > > > > > > Kendra - > > I'm confused about what you're aiming for with this section. Are you inviting > people to subscribe to the list? That's what it sounds like, but I'm not sure > we should be doing that. > > If you're just providing an alternate for those who don't want to wiki, then > we should just provide the 'mailto' address. > > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > > > > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan From jims at greens.org Tue Jan 4 17:00:41 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:00:41 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement Message-ID: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> The CC reviewed the proposed announcement last night. It's ready to go as soon as Kendra and I work out wording about how this list will be used as the alternate posting spot. There were some concerns, listed below. Our final conclusion was to address the concerns in a follow-up message in one week. Barry Hermanson was concerned that the message states that this is important, but didn't describe why. He's going to pen a few lines for the follow-up. I raised the concern about not promoting the idea of counties gathering into small groups for their discussions. A few others agreed. That will also be added to the follow-up. We discussed the need for sending periodic reminders to the counties. Barry and Adrienne volunteered to make calls. We should also send email reminders. The section from the meeting minutes is copied below. Jim ===================================================================== Attending: Michael Borenstein, Barry Hermanson, Matt Leslie, Adrienne Prince, David Quinley, Michael Rubin, Jim Stauffer. 3 - Finalize draft and authorize distribution of the 'Strategy Notice' to the County Contacts list. [10 min] JS: Reads text of Kendra Gonzales? Strategy Notice and intent of Wiki discussion. She wants this distributed to the lists. BH: I like it. The only thing that?s missing, is some statement at the beginning as to why people should get involved. Why is this an exciting project? I personally believe this is an extraordinary time for the Greens. I?d add 3 ? 4 sentences at the beginning. She has put together a good basic document. AP: I would pass that input on to her. JS: She and I are still having a technical discussion regarding the wiki vs. the email list. Something that disappeared in the evolution of this document is mention of getting counties together with their neighbors. We will get better discussions if we can get more participants. I don?t know how anyone else feels about these group meetings, but I think they?d be beneficial. BH: The internal aspects of why it?s important to have good planning?I feel should be mentioned. MB: This notice is about as long as a County Contacts notice. These amendments can be inserted very briefly. BH: I?d like to be a traveling liaison, helping the Counties/Regions conduct their discussions. MR: I agree with Jim. I?d be sad to see the ideas of special event gatherings disappear from this. We should at least try and involve not-the-usual-activists in our counties. MB: I think that could be put back in? JS: I wonder if we should send this one as-is, and then one week later, a message about how to connect with the locals. It would be nice to give some guidance about how to conduct a live meeting on this topic. DQ: Could there be a connection to any of the data collecting that Marnie is doing? Could she be gathering some feedback while doing her calling? MB: We are trying to get individual and group suggestions for strategy for short and long-term planning, to be created and consensed upon at the next two plenaries. What do we want for a timeline? It would be good to send this out asap. BH: So we need to finish this tonight! DQ: How is this different than anything we?ve tried to do in the past? JS: We have never actually gone out to the counties for strategic input.or long-term goal setting. This is an experiment, a major departure. It would be nice to see if there are some common themes out there. BH: Jim, are you going to send this out to the county contacts? Send out several messages, with updates, and how-to?s. Maybe a couple of follow-up messages in the next few weeks. I would make an offer that if counties or regions want to include this on an agenda, I will attend the meeting just to listen. AP: So are we consensing that we send this to the county contacts list as-is, with followup messages over the next few weeks? BH: We would then need to decide then the text of future messages. MB: Passes by consensus. AP: Is there a phone list we can use to follow up with? I?d like to make some phone calls. JS: Yes, we do have some phone numbers and emails. Its on the IT webside behind the common password. Ca Green website/IT. Link called ?county contacts.? BH: I?ll make phone calls. AP: I?ll do South, you can do North. MB: And if they get 2 phone calls, all the better! JS: Everything will go to the County Contacts list, the Co-Co?s list and the GPCA list. From earthworks_works at yahoo.com Wed Jan 5 14:43:05 2011 From: earthworks_works at yahoo.com (Kendra Gonzales) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:43:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> Message-ID: <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I will stand aside re my concern?about not allowing other Greens to subscribe to the Strategy?Listserve, and agree to keep the wording in the email?to "Post your feedback to.....". ? I understand the importance of suggesting that?County Councils start organizing strategy sessions on a regional basis.?I absolutely agree. As stated previously, the reason that is not in THIS?initial email, is to not overload the email and the reader with too much info all at once. This is an initial email, just to get the conversation started....it is certainly not an end product, just one of many emails that will have to go out to continue engaging local Greens in the very large and on-going process of what we are trying to accomplish. ?? ? We can easily send another?"reminder" email?in a couple weeks?for those who have not responded and add our suggestion of regional meetings. Follow-up phone calls are also very important, and thanks? to Barry and Adrienne for taking that on!. ? To answer Barry's concern about spelling out "why" this is a good project....I'm sorry, but if any?Green reading the?email cannot figure out the importance of stategizing for the future of our Party then they would most likely not be interested in it anyway!. ? ? The first 2 or 3 sentences of the email are meant to engage and excite the reader, what else could possibly be said?. We could spend another week creating the perfect opening tag line, but we need to gety started already! ? Unless I hear any more outstanding concerns, I will plan on sending the final draft to Jim to send out to County Contacts by friday am. ? Thanks all! The CC reviewed the proposed announcement last night. It's ready to go as soon as Kendra and I work out wording about how this list will be used as the alternate posting spot. There were some concerns, listed below. Our final conclusion was to address the concerns in a follow-up message in one week. Barry Hermanson was concerned that the message states that this is important, but didn't describe why. He's going to pen a few lines for the follow-up. I raised the concern about not promoting the idea of counties gathering into small groups for their discussions. A few others agreed. That will also be added to the follow-up. We discussed the need for sending periodic reminders to the counties. Barry and Adrienne volunteered to make calls. We should also send email reminders. The section from the meeting minutes is copied below. Jim ===================================================================== Attending: Michael Borenstein, Barry Hermanson, Matt Leslie, Adrienne Prince, David Quinley, Michael Rubin, Jim Stauffer. 3 - Finalize draft and authorize distribution of the 'Strategy Notice' to the County Contacts list.? [10 min] ? ? ? ? JS: Reads text of Kendra Gonzales? Strategy Notice and intent of Wiki discussion. She wants this distributed to the lists. ? ? ? ? BH: I like it. The only thing that?s missing, is some statement at the beginning as to why people should get involved. Why is this an exciting project? I personally believe this is an extraordinary time for the Greens. I?d add 3 ? 4 sentences at the beginning. She has put together a good basic document. ? ? ? ? AP: I would pass that input on to her. ? ? ? ? JS: She and I are still having a technical discussion regarding the wiki vs. the email list. Something that disappeared in the evolution of this document is mention of getting counties together with their neighbors. We will get better discussions if we can get more participants. I don?t know how anyone else feels about these group meetings, but I think they?d be beneficial. ? ? ? ? BH: The internal aspects of why it?s important to have good planning?I feel should be mentioned. ? ? ? MB: This notice is about as long as a County Contacts notice. These amendments can be inserted very briefly. ? ? ? BH: I?d like to be a traveling liaison, helping the Counties/Regions conduct their discussions. ? ? ? MR: I agree with Jim. I?d be sad to see the ideas of special event gatherings disappear from this. We should at least try and involve not-the-usual-activists in our counties. ? ? ? MB: I think that could be put back in? ? ? ? JS: I wonder if we should send this one as-is, and then one week later, a message about how to connect with the locals. It would be nice to give some guidance about how to conduct a live meeting on this topic. ? ? ? DQ: Could there be a connection to any of the data collecting that Marnie is doing? Could she be gathering some feedback while doing her calling? ? ? ? MB: We are trying to get individual and group suggestions for strategy for short and long-term planning, to be created and consensed upon at the next two plenaries. What do we want for a timeline? It would be good to send this out asap. ? ? ? BH: So we need to finish this tonight! ? ? ? DQ: How is this different than anything we?ve tried to do in the past? ? ? ? JS: We have never actually gone out to the counties for strategic input.or long-term goal setting. This is an experiment, a major departure. It would be nice to see if there are some common themes out there. ? ? ? BH: Jim, are you going to send this out to the county contacts? Send out several messages, with updates, and how-to?s. Maybe a couple of follow-up messages in the next few weeks. I would make an offer that if counties or regions want to include this on an agenda, I will attend the meeting just to listen. ? ? ? AP: So are we consensing that we send this to the county contacts list as-is, with followup messages over the next few weeks? ? ? ? BH: We would then need to decide then the text of future messages. ? ? ? MB: Passes by consensus. ? ? ? AP: Is there a phone list we can use to follow up with? I?d like to make some phone calls. ? ? ? JS: Yes, we do have some phone numbers and emails. Its on the IT webside behind the common password. Ca Green website/IT. Link called ?county contacts.? ? ? ? BH: I?ll make phone calls. ? ? ? AP: I?ll do South, you can do North. ? ? ? MB: And if they get 2 phone calls, all the better! ? ? ? JS: Everything will go to the County Contacts list, the Co-Co?s list and the GPCA list. _______________________________________________ StrategyPlan mailing list StrategyPlan at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan ________________________________ From: Jim Stauffer To: GPCA Strategy Planning Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 5:00:41 PM Subject: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jims at greens.org Wed Jan 5 18:03:52 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:03:52 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement In-Reply-To: <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> I can make the change to the last draft regarding the strategyplan list as the alternate send-to address and get the message out tomorrow. Messages sent on weekends have a higher rate of being missed. To clarify, the issue wasn't about prohibiting people from subscribing to the strategy list, it was about having all responses on the wiki. Jim On 1/5/2011 2:43 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > I will stand aside re my concern about not allowing other Greens to subscribe > to the Strategy Listserve, and agree to keep the wording in the email to "Post > your feedback to.....". > > I understand the importance of suggesting that County Councils start > organizing strategy sessions on a regional basis. I absolutely agree. As > stated previously, the reason that is not in THIS initial email, is to not > overload the email and the reader with too much info all at once. This is an > /initial/ email, just to get the conversation started....it is certainly not > an end product, just one of many emails that will have to go out to continue > engaging local Greens in the very large and on-going process of what we are > trying to accomplish. > > We can easily send another "reminder" email in a couple weeks for those who > have not responded and add our suggestion of regional meetings. Follow-up > phone calls are also very important, and thanks to Barry and Adrienne for > taking that on!. > > To answer Barry's concern about spelling out "why" this is a good > project....I'm sorry, but if any Green reading the email cannot figure out the > importance of stategizing for the future of our Party then they would most > likely not be interested in it anyway!. > > The first 2 or 3 sentences of the email are meant to engage and excite the > reader, what else could possibly be said?. We could spend another week > creating the perfect opening tag line, but we need to gety started already! > > Unless I hear any more outstanding concerns, I will plan on sending the final > draft to Jim to send out to County Contacts by friday am. > > Thanks all! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Stauffer > *To:* GPCA Strategy Planning > *Sent:* Tue, January 4, 2011 5:00:41 PM > *Subject:* [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement > > The CC reviewed the proposed announcement last night. It's ready to go as soon > as Kendra and I work out wording about how this list will be used as the > alternate posting spot. > > There were some concerns, listed below. Our final conclusion was to address > the concerns in a follow-up message in one week. > > Barry Hermanson was concerned that the message states that this is important, > but didn't describe why. He's going to pen a few lines for the follow-up. > > I raised the concern about not promoting the idea of counties gathering into > small groups for their discussions. A few others agreed. That will also be > added to the follow-up. > > We discussed the need for sending periodic reminders to the counties. Barry > and Adrienne volunteered to make calls. We should also send email reminders. > > The section from the meeting minutes is copied below. > > > Jim > > ===================================================================== > > Attending: Michael Borenstein, Barry Hermanson, Matt Leslie, Adrienne Prince, > David Quinley, Michael Rubin, Jim Stauffer. > > > 3 - Finalize draft and authorize distribution of the 'Strategy Notice' to the > County Contacts list. [10 min] > > JS: Reads text of Kendra Gonzales? Strategy Notice and intent of Wiki > discussion. She wants this distributed to the lists. > > BH: I like it. The only thing that?s missing, is some statement at the > beginning as to why people should get involved. Why is this an exciting > project? I personally believe this is an extraordinary time for the Greens. > I?d add 3 ? 4 sentences at the beginning. She has put together a good basic > document. > > AP: I would pass that input on to her. > > JS: She and I are still having a technical discussion regarding the wiki vs. > the email list. Something that disappeared in the evolution of this document > is mention of getting counties together with their neighbors. We will get > better discussions if we can get more participants. I don?t know how anyone > else feels about these group meetings, but I think they?d be beneficial. > > BH: The internal aspects of why it?s important to have good planning?I feel > should be mentioned. > > MB: This notice is about as long as a County Contacts notice. These amendments > can be inserted very briefly. > > BH: I?d like to be a traveling liaison, helping the Counties/Regions conduct > their discussions. > > MR: I agree with Jim. I?d be sad to see the ideas of special event gatherings > disappear from this. We should at least try and involve > not-the-usual-activists in our counties. > > MB: I think that could be put back in? > > JS: I wonder if we should send this one as-is, and then one week later, a > message about how to connect with the locals. It would be nice to give some > guidance about how to conduct a live meeting on this topic. > > DQ: Could there be a connection to any of the data collecting that Marnie is > doing? Could she be gathering some feedback while doing her calling? > > MB: We are trying to get individual and group suggestions for strategy for > short and long-term planning, to be created and consensed upon at the next two > plenaries. What do we want for a timeline? It would be good to send this out asap. > > BH: So we need to finish this tonight! > > DQ: How is this different than anything we?ve tried to do in the past? > > JS: We have never actually gone out to the counties for strategic input.or > long-term goal setting. This is an experiment, a major departure. It would be > nice to see if there are some common themes out there. > > BH: Jim, are you going to send this out to the county contacts? Send out > several messages, with updates, and how-to?s. Maybe a couple of follow-up > messages in the next few weeks. I would make an offer that if counties or > regions want to include this on an agenda, I will attend the meeting just to > listen. > > AP: So are we consensing that we send this to the county contacts list as-is, > with followup messages over the next few weeks? > > BH: We would then need to decide then the text of future messages. > > MB: Passes by consensus. > > AP: Is there a phone list we can use to follow up with? I?d like to make some > phone calls. > > JS: Yes, we do have some phone numbers and emails. Its on the IT webside > behind the common password. Ca Green website/IT. Link called ?county contacts.? > > BH: I?ll make phone calls. > > AP: I?ll do South, you can do North. > > MB: And if they get 2 phone calls, all the better! > > JS: Everything will go to the County Contacts list, the Co-Co?s list and the > GPCA list. > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > > > > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan From earthworks_works at yahoo.com Thu Jan 6 09:33:51 2011 From: earthworks_works at yahoo.com (Kendra Gonzales) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:33:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [StrategyPlan] Strategy Plan Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> Message-ID: <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Great! Thank you. ?Kendra Gonzales ________________________________ From: Jim Stauffer To: strategyplan at cagreens.org Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 6:03:52 PM Subject: Re: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement I can make the change to the last draft regarding the strategyplan list as the alternate send-to address and get the message out tomorrow. Messages sent on weekends have a higher rate of being missed. To clarify, the issue wasn't about prohibiting people from subscribing to the strategy list, it was about having all responses on the wiki. Jim On 1/5/2011 2:43 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > I will stand aside re my concern about not allowing other Greens to subscribe > to the Strategy Listserve, and agree to keep the wording in the email to "Post > your feedback to.....". > > I understand the importance of suggesting that County Councils start > organizing strategy sessions on a regional basis. I absolutely agree. As > stated previously, the reason that is not in THIS initial email, is to not > overload the email and the reader with too much info all at once. This is an > /initial/ email, just to get the conversation started....it is certainly not > an end product, just one of many emails that will have to go out to continue > engaging local Greens in the very large and on-going process of what we are > trying to accomplish. > > We can easily send another "reminder" email in a couple weeks for those who > have not responded and add our suggestion of regional meetings. Follow-up > phone calls are also very important, and thanks to Barry and Adrienne for > taking that on!. > > To answer Barry's concern about spelling out "why" this is a good > project....I'm sorry, but if any Green reading the email cannot figure out the > importance of stategizing for the future of our Party then they would most > likely not be interested in it anyway!. > > The first 2 or 3 sentences of the email are meant to engage and excite the > reader, what else could possibly be said?. We could spend another week > creating the perfect opening tag line, but we need to gety started already! > > Unless I hear any more outstanding concerns, I will plan on sending the final > draft to Jim to send out to County Contacts by friday am. > > Thanks all! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Stauffer > *To:* GPCA Strategy Planning > *Sent:* Tue, January 4, 2011 5:00:41 PM > *Subject:* [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement > > The CC reviewed the proposed announcement last night. It's ready to go as soon > as Kendra and I work out wording about how this list will be used as the > alternate posting spot. > > There were some concerns, listed below. Our final conclusion was to address > the concerns in a follow-up message in one week. > > Barry Hermanson was concerned that the message states that this is important, > but didn't describe why. He's going to pen a few lines for the follow-up. > > I raised the concern about not promoting the idea of counties gathering into > small groups for their discussions. A few others agreed. That will also be > added to the follow-up. > > We discussed the need for sending periodic reminders to the counties. Barry > and Adrienne volunteered to make calls. We should also send email reminders. > > The section from the meeting minutes is copied below. > > > Jim > > ===================================================================== > > Attending: Michael Borenstein, Barry Hermanson, Matt Leslie, Adrienne Prince, > David Quinley, Michael Rubin, Jim Stauffer. > > > 3 - Finalize draft and authorize distribution of the 'Strategy Notice' to the > County Contacts list. [10 min] > > JS: Reads text of Kendra Gonzales? Strategy Notice and intent of Wiki > discussion. She wants this distributed to the lists. > > BH: I like it. The only thing that?s missing, is some statement at the > beginning as to why people should get involved. Why is this an exciting > project? I personally believe this is an extraordinary time for the Greens. > I?d add 3 ? 4 sentences at the beginning. She has put together a good basic > document. > > AP: I would pass that input on to her. > > JS: She and I are still having a technical discussion regarding the wiki vs. > the email list. Something that disappeared in the evolution of this document > is mention of getting counties together with their neighbors. We will get > better discussions if we can get more participants. I don?t know how anyone > else feels about these group meetings, but I think they?d be beneficial. > > BH: The internal aspects of why it?s important to have good planning?I feel > should be mentioned. > > MB: This notice is about as long as a County Contacts notice. These amendments > can be inserted very briefly. > > BH: I?d like to be a traveling liaison, helping the Counties/Regions conduct > their discussions. > > MR: I agree with Jim. I?d be sad to see the ideas of special event gatherings > disappear from this. We should at least try and involve > not-the-usual-activists in our counties. > > MB: I think that could be put back in? > > JS: I wonder if we should send this one as-is, and then one week later, a > message about how to connect with the locals. It would be nice to give some > guidance about how to conduct a live meeting on this topic. > > DQ: Could there be a connection to any of the data collecting that Marnie is > doing? Could she be gathering some feedback while doing her calling? > > MB: We are trying to get individual and group suggestions for strategy for > short and long-term planning, to be created and consensed upon at the next two > plenaries. What do we want for a timeline? It would be good to send this out >asap. > > BH: So we need to finish this tonight! > > DQ: How is this different than anything we?ve tried to do in the past? > > JS: We have never actually gone out to the counties for strategic input.or > long-term goal setting. This is an experiment, a major departure. It would be > nice to see if there are some common themes out there. > > BH: Jim, are you going to send this out to the county contacts? Send out > several messages, with updates, and how-to?s. Maybe a couple of follow-up > messages in the next few weeks. I would make an offer that if counties or > regions want to include this on an agenda, I will attend the meeting just to > listen. > > AP: So are we consensing that we send this to the county contacts list as-is, > with followup messages over the next few weeks? > > BH: We would then need to decide then the text of future messages. > > MB: Passes by consensus. > > AP: Is there a phone list we can use to follow up with? I?d like to make some > phone calls. > > JS: Yes, we do have some phone numbers and emails. Its on the IT webside > behind the common password. Ca Green website/IT. Link called ?county contacts.? > > BH: I?ll make phone calls. > > AP: I?ll do South, you can do North. > > MB: And if they get 2 phone calls, all the better! > > JS: Everything will go to the County Contacts list, the Co-Co?s list and the > GPCA list. > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > > > > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan _______________________________________________ StrategyPlan mailing list StrategyPlan at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jims at greens.org Sat Jan 8 15:29:48 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 15:29:48 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] Strategy Plan Announcement In-Reply-To: <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> I really blew it on this one. I somehow missed Kendra's message on Thursday morning. Then I was out all day Friday and just saw the message last night. I was going to send it out today and then push the CC for a follow-up message to send next Thursday. But, in preparing the message I revisited the wiki, which I hadn't seen in a while, and I have to ask if that's really the final version. There are two headings with sub-lists of specific topics: http://wiki.cagreens.org/index.php/GPCA_Strategic_Action_Plan This seems to be Bert's original idea based on the counties getting a set of questions they're suppose to answer. But now we're sending out just three broad categories to catch all comments. Consider the responses we're going to get. The counties, or county-groups, will send minutes or notes of their meeting. They will contain a variety of opinions and topics in no categorized manner. We (whoever will do this) will have to sort through these messages and copy/paste each item into a category/sub-topic. The wiki has to be structured to accommodate this. We need one level for counties to submit their minutes. Then we need a structure of category/sub-topics for discussion threads. Here's an update of a suggestion I made a while back: L1 - Main Page Posts from county/group meetings Index (of L2 headings): L2 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) Goals page Index (of L3 headings): Political Goals L3 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page L3 - Campaigns and ballot proposition page L3 - Election reforms page Other topics are gathered on the L2 page Internal / Party Goals L3 - Voter registration page L3 - Developing county Locals page L3 - Fundraising page L3 - Internal structure and administration page Other topics are gathered on the L2 page L2 - Five Year Goals [same index of L3 headings] L2 - Ten Year Goals [same index of L3 headings] ---------------------- Or, we could switch the L2s and L3s: L2 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page L3 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) L3 - Five Year Goals L3 - Ten Year Goals L2 - etc. (This structure might actually be best) -------------------------- But we need to get this set up before we send the announcement. There may be individuals who want to comment before their county has a meeting. Jim P.S. Bert - I think it's time you subscribed to this list. We're past the planning phase and now into the input and wiki maintenance phase. On 1/6/2011 9:33 AM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > Great! Thank you. > Kendra Gonzales > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Stauffer > *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org > *Sent:* Wed, January 5, 2011 6:03:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement > > I can make the change to the last draft regarding the strategyplan list as the > alternate send-to address and get the message out tomorrow. Messages sent on > weekends have a higher rate of being missed. > > To clarify, the issue wasn't about prohibiting people from subscribing to the > strategy list, it was about having all responses on the wiki. > > > Jim > > > From truekahuna at comcast.net Sun Jan 9 10:36:49 2011 From: truekahuna at comcast.net (Bert) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:36:49 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] Strategy Plan Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> Message-ID: <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> Jim, I wouldn't say you've blown it at all. Kendra and I started that wiki page set last Sunday morning. What is there now was "thrown up" while we were on the phone together simply as a way to get started. It is still very much a work-in-progress. As a second step, Kendra has collated the emails sent to this list - including your suggestions and has sent me the file. My part of "step 2" is to put all of that information into the wiki pages "as best I can". The third step was to then ask for what would then be the second round of opinions on (what would then be) the "prototype". Also, and just to set the record straight, what you attribute as "Bert's original idea" wasn't mine at all. I have yet to advocate what should or should not be the content of our party strategy. I have argued only that: (a) Whatever discussion points are decided upon, whether that's a list of questions or something else entirely, should be open to active input from the various county parties. (b) That we all recognize that any goals, and strategy to acheive those goals, implies "tasks to be done". (c) That we must agree ahead of time what "completion" means for each task (or set of tasks). (d) That responsibility for those tasks has to be both assigned and accepted, and that part of that responsibility is agreeing to some manner of deadline. (e) That there must be ongoing and active monitoring of our progress toward our goals. I am trying to express my feeling that we must teach ourselves that we can have reasonable expectations of one another and, furthermore, that the best way to satisfy those expectations is to learn to practice the most basic of management techniques. I know we're not a business and that we cannot run GPCA as though it were a business. But I also know that any strategy, no matter how well conceived, will not survive lack of execution. Bert Heuer Jim Stauffer wrote: > > I really blew it on this one. I somehow missed Kendra's message on > Thursday morning. Then I was out all day Friday and just saw the message > last night. > > I was going to send it out today and then push the CC for a follow-up > message to send next Thursday. > > But, in preparing the message I revisited the wiki, which I hadn't seen > in a while, and I have to ask if that's really the final version. > > There are two headings with sub-lists of specific topics: > > http://wiki.cagreens.org/index.php/GPCA_Strategic_Action_Plan > > > This seems to be Bert's original idea based on the counties getting a > set of questions they're suppose to answer. But now we're sending out > just three broad categories to catch all comments. > > Consider the responses we're going to get. The counties, or > county-groups, will send minutes or notes of their meeting. They will > contain a variety of opinions and topics in no categorized manner. We > (whoever will do this) will have to sort through these messages and > copy/paste each item into a category/sub-topic. > > The wiki has to be structured to accommodate this. We need one level for > counties to submit their minutes. Then we need a structure of > category/sub-topics for discussion threads. > > Here's an update of a suggestion I made a while back: > > L1 - Main Page > > Posts from county/group meetings > > Index (of L2 headings): > > L2 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) Goals page > > Index (of L3 headings): > > Political Goals > L3 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page > L3 - Campaigns and ballot proposition page > L3 - Election reforms page > > Other topics are gathered on the L2 page > > Internal / Party Goals > L3 - Voter registration page > L3 - Developing county Locals page > L3 - Fundraising page > L3 - Internal structure and administration page > > Other topics are gathered on the L2 page > > L2 - Five Year Goals > > [same index of L3 headings] > > L2 - Ten Year Goals > > [same index of L3 headings] > ---------------------- > > Or, we could switch the L2s and L3s: > > > L2 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page > > L3 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) > L3 - Five Year Goals > L3 - Ten Year Goals > > L2 - etc. > > (This structure might actually be best) > -------------------------- > > But we need to get this set up before we send the announcement. There > may be individuals who want to comment before their county has a meeting. > > > Jim > > P.S. Bert - I think it's time you subscribed to this list. We're past > the planning phase and now into the input and wiki maintenance phase. > > > > > > > On 1/6/2011 9:33 AM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: >> Great! Thank you. >> Kendra Gonzales >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Jim Stauffer >> *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org >> *Sent:* Wed, January 5, 2011 6:03:52 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement >> >> I can make the change to the last draft regarding the strategyplan >> list as the >> alternate send-to address and get the message out tomorrow. Messages >> sent on >> weekends have a higher rate of being missed. >> >> To clarify, the issue wasn't about prohibiting people from subscribing >> to the >> strategy list, it was about having all responses on the wiki. >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> > > From earthworks_works at yahoo.com Sun Jan 9 11:40:06 2011 From: earthworks_works at yahoo.com (Kendra Gonzales) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:40:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [StrategyPlan] Strategy Plan Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> Message-ID: <560709.5259.qm@web56906.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi there,? May I request that the 2 of you take up the particulars of the Wiki set-up?. I am overwhelmed with to-dos (I know I'm not the only one...)?and have an in my face deadline of creating the entire CCWG Workplan and Budget 2011/2012 to be reviewed before next Wednesday's call. wah. Lets make sure we take the stress off ourselves that the Wiki will have to be "just right" before sending out the announcement. It will evolve and change as we go through this process anyway.?As long?as we have the very basics to start, which are the three very broad questions, and the 14 or so other topics....I think we're good to go!. I will be checking emails?constantly as I always do, but need to focus on the?CCWG Workplan. Go to it gentlemen!. ps......Bert are you subscribed to StrategyPlan list? ? Kendra Gonzales www.vccool.org www.cagreens.org/ventura "All the energy stored in the Earth's reserves of coal, oil, and natural gas ?is matched? by the energy from 20 days of sunshine" ---Union of Concerned Scientists ________________________________ From: Bert To: strategyplan at cagreens.org Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 10:36:49 AM Subject: Re: [StrategyPlan] Strategy Plan Announcement Jim, I wouldn't say you've blown it at all. Kendra and I started that wiki page set last Sunday morning. What is there now was "thrown up" while we were on the phone together simply as a way to get started. It is still very much a work-in-progress. As a second step, Kendra has collated the emails sent to this list - including your suggestions and has sent me the file. My part of "step 2" is to put all of that information into the wiki pages "as best I can". The third step was to then ask for what would then be the second round of opinions on (what would then be) the "prototype". Also, and just to set the record straight, what you attribute as "Bert's original idea" wasn't mine at all. I have yet to advocate what should or should not be the content of our party strategy. I have argued only that: (a) Whatever discussion points are decided upon, whether that's a list of questions or something else entirely, should be open to active input from the various county parties. (b) That we all recognize that any goals, and strategy to acheive those goals, implies "tasks to be done". (c) That we must agree ahead of time what "completion" means for each task (or set of tasks). (d) That responsibility for those tasks has to be both assigned and accepted, and that part of that responsibility is agreeing to some manner of deadline. (e) That there must be ongoing and active monitoring of our progress toward our goals. I am trying to express my feeling that we must teach ourselves that we can have reasonable expectations of one another and, furthermore, that the best way to satisfy those expectations is to learn to practice the most basic of management techniques. I know we're not a business and that we cannot run GPCA as though it were a business. But I also know that any strategy, no matter how well conceived, will not survive lack of execution. Bert Heuer Jim Stauffer wrote: > > I really blew it on this one. I somehow missed Kendra's message on Thursday >morning. Then I was out all day Friday and just saw the message last night. > > I was going to send it out today and then push the CC for a follow-up message >to send next Thursday. > > But, in preparing the message I revisited the wiki, which I hadn't seen in a >while, and I have to ask if that's really the final version. > > There are two headings with sub-lists of specific topics: > >? ? http://wiki.cagreens.org/index.php/GPCA_Strategic_Action_Plan > > > This seems to be Bert's original idea based on the counties getting a set of >questions they're suppose to answer. But now we're sending out just three broad >categories to catch all comments. > > Consider the responses we're going to get. The counties, or county-groups, will >send minutes or notes of their meeting. They will contain a variety of opinions >and topics in no categorized manner. We (whoever will do this) will have to sort >through these messages and copy/paste each item into a category/sub-topic. > > The wiki has to be structured to accommodate this. We need one level for >counties to submit their minutes. Then we need a structure of >category/sub-topics for discussion threads. > > Here's an update of a suggestion I made a while back: > > L1 - Main Page > >? ? ? Posts from county/group meetings > >? ? ? Index (of L2 headings): > >? L2 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) Goals page > >? ? ? Index (of L3 headings): > >? ? ? Political Goals >? ? ? ? L3 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page >? ? ? ? L3 - Campaigns and ballot proposition page >? ? ? ? L3 - Election reforms page > >? ? ? Other topics are gathered on the L2 page > >? ? ? Internal / Party Goals >? ? ? ? L3 - Voter registration page >? ? ? ? L3 - Developing county Locals page >? ? ? ? L3 - Fundraising page >? ? ? ? L3 - Internal structure and administration page > >? ? ? Other topics are gathered on the L2 page > >? L2 - Five Year Goals > >? ? ? ? [same index of L3 headings] > >? L2 - Ten Year Goals > >? ? ? ? [same index of L3 headings] > ---------------------- > > Or, we could switch the L2s and L3s: > > >? L2 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page > >? ? ? ? L3 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) >? ? ? ? L3 - Five Year Goals >? ? ? ? L3 - Ten Year Goals > >? L2 - etc. > >? ? (This structure might actually be best) > -------------------------- > > But we need to get this set up before we send the announcement. There may be >individuals who want to comment before their county has a meeting. > > > Jim > > P.S.? Bert - I think it's time you subscribed to this list. We're past the >planning phase and now into the input and wiki maintenance phase. > > > > > > > On 1/6/2011 9:33 AM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: >> Great! Thank you. >> Kendra Gonzales >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From:* Jim Stauffer >> *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org >> *Sent:* Wed, January 5, 2011 6:03:52 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement >> >> I can make the change to the last draft regarding the strategyplan list as the >> alternate send-to address and get the message out tomorrow. Messages sent on >> weekends have a higher rate of being missed. >> >> To clarify, the issue wasn't about prohibiting people from subscribing to the >> strategy list, it was about having all responses on the wiki. >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ StrategyPlan mailing list StrategyPlan at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jims at greens.org Sun Jan 9 19:16:48 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 19:16:48 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] Strategy Plan Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> Bert - I thought this wiki was something you did a while ago, didn't realize it was just last Sunday. And my comment on your "original idea" was in reference to the wiki structure, not content. I have to say, it appears we're back to the same disagreements we've had for three months - that of putting out a list of topics for people to comment on. That is exactly what I've been campaigning against since the beginning of this project. The announcement to the counties and the wiki must agree, and the announcement asks only three broad questions in an attempt to get counties to tell us what they think the goals should be. I especially have concerns over the list that's now on the wiki. These are Shane's issues. These are what he should bring up when his Local has their strategy discussion. They should not be the definition of this goal/strategy exercise. Personally, I disagree with some of those items, like the one about quitting GPUS. I don't think it's appropriate to push that issue, and Sanda specifically asked us not to. Equally troubling is the introductory statement on the wiki: "This collection of pages, presented by the state party Committees and Working Groups, presents the current thinking, and an opportunity to comment." Again, I have been arguing for months that what we don't need is another top-down project where the state party has decided the topics of discussion, and we're just asking the counties to comment on them. If we're just going to have another round of arguing over a topics list, I'm going to invoke the CC's authority over this project. It is the CC that's mandated to facilitate the goals and strategy process. They have heard the arguments about a topics list, and they have approved the announcement without such a list. I'm not clear on the purpose of "step 2." We're going to post all the messages from this list onto the wiki? I'm not sure it's relevant to what we're asking from the counties. If we want to share the discussions on organizing this project, let's just link to the list archives. But I don't think they'll be too many people interested. The purpose of the wiki is to collect and organize ideas sent by the counties. Planning the details of tasks is a ways down the road. First we have to agree on some goals, then develop strategies to attain them, then develop prioritized tasks to execute the strategies. So, how should the wiki be structured to collect county input? I put out my ideas in my last message. But just to get the counties' initial input we probably need only the existing page. As I said, I'm assuming that counties will send a report that contains all their ideas. We will then have to sort out all the ideas into categories, with each having their own sub-page. We could work out all the L2 and L3 categories later. I'll send the announcement out tomorrow. But there's going to be trouble if the counties get a message asking them to submit ideas, then be confronted with a wiki that says we want their comments on the state party's ideas. The state party should have their own L2 page for their ideas. Jim On 1/9/2011 10:36 AM, Bert wrote: > Jim, > > I wouldn't say you've blown it at all. Kendra and I started that wiki page set > last Sunday morning. What is there now was "thrown up" while we were on the > phone together simply as a way to get started. It is still very much a > work-in-progress. > > As a second step, Kendra has collated the emails sent to this list - including > your suggestions and has sent me the file. My part of "step 2" is to put all > of that information into the wiki pages "as best I can". > > The third step was to then ask for what would then be the second round of > opinions on (what would then be) the "prototype". > > Also, and just to set the record straight, what you attribute as "Bert's > original idea" wasn't mine at all. I have yet to advocate what should or > should not be the content of our party strategy. I have argued only that: > > (a) Whatever discussion points are decided upon, whether that's a list of > questions or something else entirely, should be open to active input from the > various county parties. > > (b) That we all recognize that any goals, and strategy to acheive those goals, > implies "tasks to be done". > > (c) That we must agree ahead of time what "completion" means for each task (or > set of tasks). > > (d) That responsibility for those tasks has to be both assigned and accepted, > and that part of that responsibility is agreeing to some manner of deadline. > > (e) That there must be ongoing and active monitoring of our progress toward > our goals. > > I am trying to express my feeling that we must teach ourselves that we can > have reasonable expectations of one another and, furthermore, that the best > way to satisfy those expectations is to learn to practice the most basic of > management techniques. I know we're not a business and that we cannot run GPCA > as though it were a business. But I also know that any strategy, no matter how > well conceived, will not survive lack of execution. > > Bert Heuer > > > > > Jim Stauffer wrote: >> >> I really blew it on this one. I somehow missed Kendra's message on Thursday >> morning. Then I was out all day Friday and just saw the message last night. >> >> I was going to send it out today and then push the CC for a follow-up >> message to send next Thursday. >> >> But, in preparing the message I revisited the wiki, which I hadn't seen in a >> while, and I have to ask if that's really the final version. >> >> There are two headings with sub-lists of specific topics: >> >> http://wiki.cagreens.org/index.php/GPCA_Strategic_Action_Plan >> >> > This seems to be Bert's original idea based on the counties getting a set >> of questions they're suppose to answer. But now we're sending out just three >> broad categories to catch all comments. >> >> Consider the responses we're going to get. The counties, or county-groups, >> will send minutes or notes of their meeting. They will contain a variety of >> opinions and topics in no categorized manner. We (whoever will do this) will >> have to sort through these messages and copy/paste each item into a >> category/sub-topic. >> >> The wiki has to be structured to accommodate this. We need one level for >> counties to submit their minutes. Then we need a structure of >> category/sub-topics for discussion threads. >> >> Here's an update of a suggestion I made a while back: >> >> L1 - Main Page >> >> Posts from county/group meetings >> >> Index (of L2 headings): >> >> L2 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) Goals page >> >> Index (of L3 headings): >> >> Political Goals >> L3 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page >> L3 - Campaigns and ballot proposition page >> L3 - Election reforms page >> >> Other topics are gathered on the L2 page >> >> Internal / Party Goals >> L3 - Voter registration page >> L3 - Developing county Locals page >> L3 - Fundraising page >> L3 - Internal structure and administration page >> >> Other topics are gathered on the L2 page >> >> L2 - Five Year Goals >> >> [same index of L3 headings] >> >> L2 - Ten Year Goals >> >> [same index of L3 headings] >> ---------------------- >> >> Or, we could switch the L2s and L3s: >> >> >> L2 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page >> >> L3 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) >> L3 - Five Year Goals >> L3 - Ten Year Goals >> >> L2 - etc. >> >> (This structure might actually be best) >> -------------------------- >> >> But we need to get this set up before we send the announcement. There may be >> individuals who want to comment before their county has a meeting. >> >> >> Jim >> >> P.S. Bert - I think it's time you subscribed to this list. We're past the >> planning phase and now into the input and wiki maintenance phase. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/6/2011 9:33 AM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: >>> Great! Thank you. >>> Kendra Gonzales >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* Jim Stauffer >>> *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org >>> *Sent:* Wed, January 5, 2011 6:03:52 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement >>> >>> I can make the change to the last draft regarding the strategyplan list as the >>> alternate send-to address and get the message out tomorrow. Messages sent on >>> weekends have a higher rate of being missed. >>> >>> To clarify, the issue wasn't about prohibiting people from subscribing to the >>> strategy list, it was about having all responses on the wiki. >>> >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > From truekahuna at comcast.net Mon Jan 10 09:38:45 2011 From: truekahuna at comcast.net (Bert) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:38:45 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] Strategy Plan Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> Message-ID: <4D2B4425.8030705@comcast.net> Good points. Maybe my issues in re procedures and "project planning" /are/ a little premature. The "represents current thinking" was an attempt at saying both "this strategy is evolving and will continue to do so", AND an attempt to recognize that a set of wiki pages is not a blog or an email listserv - there are limitations to the way the "feedback and comment" process will work using that particular tool. I completely agree that we should avoid having this perceived as some sort of "heavy hand of the state party". The "presented by" was just trying to say "there are multiple state-level groups working together on this". Maybe I should have just written it that way. "Step 2" was about Kendra reading through the scads of email and pulling out the content ideas thereby saving me the trouble of doing so. Last thing; less about "content" than it is about "process". Taking your statement: "I'm assuming that counties will send a report that contains all their ideas". I think we should not assume and that we should be very specific, in an announcement to whomever, about how the feedback should be given or "Write an email and send it to X", or "go to the wiki page, log in, and use X procedure", or "send a report with these headers in it...". Something like that. We should, ahead of time, tell people HOW to respond to whatever question(s) are posed. Some people will not follow instructions for "how to fill in the 'little ovals'" but most will. That keeps the discussion "on track" and helps in our effort to collate responses. Bert Jim Stauffer wrote: > Bert - I thought this wiki was something you did a while ago, didn't > realize it was just last Sunday. And my comment on your "original idea" > was in reference to the wiki structure, not content. > > > I have to say, it appears we're back to the same disagreements we've had > for three months - that of putting out a list of topics for people to > comment on. That is exactly what I've been campaigning against since the > beginning of this project. The announcement to the counties and the wiki > must agree, and the announcement asks only three broad questions in an > attempt to get counties to tell us what they think the goals should be. > > I especially have concerns over the list that's now on the wiki. These > are Shane's issues. These are what he should bring up when his Local has > their strategy discussion. They should not be the definition of this > goal/strategy exercise. Personally, I disagree with some of those items, > like the one about quitting GPUS. I don't think it's appropriate to push > that issue, and Sanda specifically asked us not to. > > Equally troubling is the introductory statement on the wiki: "This > collection of pages, presented by the state party Committees and Working > Groups, presents the current thinking, and an opportunity to comment." > > Again, I have been arguing for months that what we don't need is another > top-down project where the state party has decided the topics of > discussion, and we're just asking the counties to comment on them. > > If we're just going to have another round of arguing over a topics list, > I'm going to invoke the CC's authority over this project. It is the CC > that's mandated to facilitate the goals and strategy process. They have > heard the arguments about a topics list, and they have approved the > announcement without such a list. > > > I'm not clear on the purpose of "step 2." We're going to post all the > messages from this list onto the wiki? I'm not sure it's relevant to > what we're asking from the counties. If we want to share the discussions > on organizing this project, let's just link to the list archives. But I > don't think they'll be too many people interested. > > > The purpose of the wiki is to collect and organize ideas sent by the > counties. Planning the details of tasks is a ways down the road. First > we have to agree on some goals, then develop strategies to attain them, > then develop prioritized tasks to execute the strategies. > > > So, how should the wiki be structured to collect county input? I put out > my ideas in my last message. But just to get the counties' initial input > we probably need only the existing page. As I said, I'm assuming that > counties will send a report that contains all their ideas. We will then > have to sort out all the ideas into categories, with each having their > own sub-page. We could work out all the L2 and L3 categories later. > > I'll send the announcement out tomorrow. But there's going to be trouble > if the counties get a message asking them to submit ideas, then be > confronted with a wiki that says we want their comments on the state > party's ideas. The state party should have their own L2 page for their > ideas. > > Jim > > > > On 1/9/2011 10:36 AM, Bert wrote: >> Jim, >> >> I wouldn't say you've blown it at all. Kendra and I started that wiki >> page set >> last Sunday morning. What is there now was "thrown up" while we were >> on the >> phone together simply as a way to get started. It is still very much a >> work-in-progress. >> >> As a second step, Kendra has collated the emails sent to this list - >> including >> your suggestions and has sent me the file. My part of "step 2" is to >> put all >> of that information into the wiki pages "as best I can". >> >> The third step was to then ask for what would then be the second round of >> opinions on (what would then be) the "prototype". >> >> Also, and just to set the record straight, what you attribute as "Bert's >> original idea" wasn't mine at all. I have yet to advocate what should or >> should not be the content of our party strategy. I have argued only that: >> >> (a) Whatever discussion points are decided upon, whether that's a list of >> questions or something else entirely, should be open to active input >> from the >> various county parties. >> >> (b) That we all recognize that any goals, and strategy to acheive >> those goals, >> implies "tasks to be done". >> >> (c) That we must agree ahead of time what "completion" means for each >> task (or >> set of tasks). >> >> (d) That responsibility for those tasks has to be both assigned and >> accepted, >> and that part of that responsibility is agreeing to some manner of >> deadline. >> >> (e) That there must be ongoing and active monitoring of our progress >> toward >> our goals. >> >> I am trying to express my feeling that we must teach ourselves that we >> can >> have reasonable expectations of one another and, furthermore, that the >> best >> way to satisfy those expectations is to learn to practice the most >> basic of >> management techniques. I know we're not a business and that we cannot >> run GPCA >> as though it were a business. But I also know that any strategy, no >> matter how >> well conceived, will not survive lack of execution. >> >> Bert Heuer >> >> >> >> >> Jim Stauffer wrote: >>> >>> I really blew it on this one. I somehow missed Kendra's message on >>> Thursday >>> morning. Then I was out all day Friday and just saw the message last >>> night. >>> >>> I was going to send it out today and then push the CC for a follow-up >>> message to send next Thursday. >>> >>> But, in preparing the message I revisited the wiki, which I hadn't >>> seen in a >>> while, and I have to ask if that's really the final version. >>> >>> There are two headings with sub-lists of specific topics: >>> >>> http://wiki.cagreens.org/index.php/GPCA_Strategic_Action_Plan >>> >>> > This seems to be Bert's original idea based on the counties getting >>> a set >>> of questions they're suppose to answer. But now we're sending out >>> just three >>> broad categories to catch all comments. >>> >>> Consider the responses we're going to get. The counties, or >>> county-groups, >>> will send minutes or notes of their meeting. They will contain a >>> variety of >>> opinions and topics in no categorized manner. We (whoever will do >>> this) will >>> have to sort through these messages and copy/paste each item into a >>> category/sub-topic. >>> >>> The wiki has to be structured to accommodate this. We need one level for >>> counties to submit their minutes. Then we need a structure of >>> category/sub-topics for discussion threads. >>> >>> Here's an update of a suggestion I made a while back: >>> >>> L1 - Main Page >>> >>> Posts from county/group meetings >>> >>> Index (of L2 headings): >>> >>> L2 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) Goals page >>> >>> Index (of L3 headings): >>> >>> Political Goals >>> L3 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page >>> L3 - Campaigns and ballot proposition page >>> L3 - Election reforms page >>> >>> Other topics are gathered on the L2 page >>> >>> Internal / Party Goals >>> L3 - Voter registration page >>> L3 - Developing county Locals page >>> L3 - Fundraising page >>> L3 - Internal structure and administration page >>> >>> Other topics are gathered on the L2 page >>> >>> L2 - Five Year Goals >>> >>> [same index of L3 headings] >>> >>> L2 - Ten Year Goals >>> >>> [same index of L3 headings] >>> ---------------------- >>> >>> Or, we could switch the L2s and L3s: >>> >>> >>> L2 - Partisan and non-partisan candidates page >>> >>> L3 - Immediate Future (up to Nov 2012) >>> L3 - Five Year Goals >>> L3 - Ten Year Goals >>> >>> L2 - etc. >>> >>> (This structure might actually be best) >>> -------------------------- >>> >>> But we need to get this set up before we send the announcement. There >>> may be >>> individuals who want to comment before their county has a meeting. >>> >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> P.S. Bert - I think it's time you subscribed to this list. We're past >>> the >>> planning phase and now into the input and wiki maintenance phase. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/6/2011 9:33 AM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: >>>> Great! Thank you. >>>> Kendra Gonzales >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From:* Jim Stauffer >>>> *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org >>>> *Sent:* Wed, January 5, 2011 6:03:52 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [StrategyPlan] CC on Strategy Plan Announcement >>>> >>>> I can make the change to the last draft regarding the strategyplan >>>> list as the >>>> alternate send-to address and get the message out tomorrow. Messages >>>> sent on >>>> weekends have a higher rate of being missed. >>>> >>>> To clarify, the issue wasn't about prohibiting people from >>>> subscribing to the >>>> strategy list, it was about having all responses on the wiki. >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> StrategyPlan mailing list >> StrategyPlan at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan >> > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > From jims at greens.org Mon Jan 10 17:18:05 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:18:05 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D2B4425.8030705@comcast.net> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> <4D2B4425.8030705@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4D2BAFCD.3040801@greens.org> This is a carry-on from our previous thread. The text of the current draft announcement is pasted below. It includes instructions for posting comments. But, after comparing the announcement and the wiki, it seems that they are aimed more at individual responses rather than group responses. We've been talking all along about counties having group meetings. A secondary purpose of this project was to encourage counties to get together with their neighbors for an afternoon. As I reported, the CC wants this and is planning on promoting it in a follow-up announcement. Our primary interest is in getting these group reports. Then we can have individuals adding responses to those reports, or adding new topics. I'm going to change the bullet-list instructions in the announcement. The last two bullets will be: * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your group's report directly on the page. * Individuals are invited to comment on these reports, or to add new topics. For an intro on the wiki main page, I suggest we just use pertinent paragraphs from the announcement. We can add a ToC when we decide on how to sub-divide the responses. And I assume we're removing that list of Current Topics. Jim ================================================================= [ The final announcement is in HTML with links, highlights and emphasis. ] Fellow Greens, 2011 is the ideal time to set goals for the Party and develop strategies to implement them! The Green Party of California is very excited about creating "The GPCA Strategic Action Plan" Your input is absolutely vital in making this happen!! We have very basic questions to ask Greens in every County: * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in 2011/2012? How? * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 5 years? How? * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 10 years? How? Please forward this message to your local lists, present and discuss at your next meeting, or however else you want to share this exciting project with other Greens. We plan to collect your responses, blend them with things we've been talking about, and create a draft outline GPCA Strategic Action Plan for our Spring Plenary. This document will be continually evolving throughout 2011 and needs to be something useful for all of us as we plan ahead. We've made it really easy!. * Just go to this wiki page: Strategy Plan Wiki. * Log-in or create an account. (10 seconds; link in upper right corner). * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your input directly on the page. * You are invited to share your ideas on all the Strategy Topics. Please keep your comments short, specific, realistic and action-based. We also have an email lists as an alternative to the wiki for your responses if you prefer. The address to send a message to this list is strategyplan at cagreens.org. Wiki is a much better format than email for gathering lots of data, please give it a try. Its really quite easy! Please post your input on Wiki no later than the End of February. We look forward to hearing from you........ Let's get this Party started!! -- GPCA Standing Groups and the Coordinating Committee From earthworks_works at yahoo.com Mon Jan 10 18:01:32 2011 From: earthworks_works at yahoo.com (Kendra Gonzales) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:01:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D2BAFCD.3040801@greens.org> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> <4D2B4425.8030705@comcast.net> <4D2BAFCD.3040801@greens.org> Message-ID: <844605.51815.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> For the sake of getting this done, I'll agree to removing the list of topics, for now.? I'd like to add those?topics back in after we start seeing some feedback from locals...maybe?in beginning of March?. We?are supposed to be strategizing also, so using Wiki makes sense?to faciliate that process. These topics are certainly some of?the things we need to?start talking about.? Kendra Gonzales www.vccool.org www.cagreens.org/ventura "All the energy stored in the Earth's reserves of coal, oil, and natural gas ?is matched? by the energy from 20 days of sunshine" ---Union of Concerned Scientists ________________________________ From: Jim Stauffer To: strategyplan at cagreens.org Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 5:18:05 PM Subject: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement This is a carry-on from our previous thread. The text of the current draft announcement is pasted below. It includes instructions for posting comments. But, after comparing the announcement and the wiki, it seems that they are aimed more at individual responses rather than group responses. We've been talking all along about counties having group meetings. A secondary purpose of this project was to encourage counties to get together with their neighbors for an afternoon. As I reported, the CC wants this and is planning on promoting it in a follow-up announcement. Our primary interest is in getting these group reports. Then we can have individuals adding responses to those reports, or adding new topics. I'm going to change the bullet-list instructions in the announcement. The last two bullets will be: * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your group's report directly on the page. * Individuals are invited to comment on these reports, or to add new topics. For an intro on the wiki main page, I suggest we just use pertinent paragraphs from the announcement. We can add a ToC when we decide on how to sub-divide the responses. And I assume we're removing that list of Current Topics. Jim ================================================================= [ The final announcement is in HTML with links, highlights and emphasis. ] Fellow Greens, 2011 is the ideal time to set goals for the Party and develop strategies to implement them! The Green Party of California is very excited about creating "The GPCA Strategic Action Plan" Your input is absolutely vital in making this happen!! We have very basic questions to ask Greens in every County: ? ? * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in 2011/2012?? How? ? ? * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 5 years?? How? ? ? * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 10 years? How? Please forward this message to your local lists, present and discuss at your next meeting, or however else you want to share this exciting project with other Greens. We plan to collect your responses, blend them with things we've been talking about, and create a draft outline GPCA Strategic Action Plan for our Spring Plenary. This document will be continually evolving throughout 2011 and needs to be something useful for all of us as we plan ahead. We've made it really easy!. ? ? * Just go to this wiki page:? Strategy Plan Wiki. ? ? * Log-in or create an account. (10 seconds; link in upper right corner). ? ? * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your input directly on the page. ? ? * You are invited to share your ideas on all the Strategy Topics. Please keep your comments short, specific, realistic and action-based. We also have an email lists as an alternative to the wiki for your responses if you prefer. The address to send a message to this list is strategyplan at cagreens.org. Wiki is a much better format than email for gathering lots of data, please give it a try. Its really quite easy! Please post your input on Wiki no later than the End of February. We look forward to hearing from you........ Let's get this Party started!! -- GPCA Standing Groups and the Coordinating Committee _______________________________________________ StrategyPlan mailing list StrategyPlan at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jims at greens.org Tue Jan 11 17:28:59 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:28:59 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement In-Reply-To: <844605.51815.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> <4D2B4425.8030705@comcast.net> <4D2BAFCD.3040801@greens.org> <844605.51815.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D2D03DB.9010601@greens.org> So, we are still having the same debate about whether or not we should be telling the counties what topics to discuss. How many more months do you want to spend on this issue? And, who said *these* are the topics we need to discuss? I don't remember any consensus around that. If you and Shane think these topics are the most important, then bring them up when you have your county/group meeting. I am adamantly opposed to listing these topics in the intro to the wiki as if they are some definitive list ordained by the GPCA. If you really want to pursue creating such a list, it's going to need a lot more buy-in than just you and Shane. Jim On 1/10/2011 6:01 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > For the sake of getting this done, I'll agree to removing the list of topics, > *_for now. _* > I'd like to add those topics back in after we start seeing some feedback from > locals...maybe in beginning of March?. We are supposed to be strategizing > also, so using Wiki makes sense to faciliate that process. These topics are > certainly some of the things we need to start talking about. > > Kendra Gonzales > www.vccool.org > www.cagreens.org/ventura > "All the energy stored in the Earth's reserves of coal, oil, and natural gas > is matched by the energy from 20 days of sunshine" ---Union of Concerned > Scientists > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Stauffer > *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org > *Sent:* Mon, January 10, 2011 5:18:05 PM > *Subject:* [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement > > This is a carry-on from our previous thread. > > > The text of the current draft announcement is pasted below. It includes > instructions for posting comments. But, after comparing the announcement and > the wiki, it seems that they are aimed more at individual responses rather > than group responses. > > We've been talking all along about counties having group meetings. A secondary > purpose of this project was to encourage counties to get together with their > neighbors for an afternoon. As I reported, the CC wants this and is planning > on promoting it in a follow-up announcement. > > Our primary interest is in getting these group reports. Then we can have > individuals adding responses to those reports, or adding new topics. > > I'm going to change the bullet-list instructions in the announcement. The last > two bullets will be: > > * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your group's report directly on > the page. > > * Individuals are invited to comment on these reports, or to add new topics. > > > For an intro on the wiki main page, I suggest we just use pertinent paragraphs > from the announcement. We can add a ToC when we decide on how to sub-divide > the responses. > > And I assume we're removing that list of Current Topics. > > Jim > > ================================================================= > > [ The final announcement is in HTML with links, highlights and emphasis. ] > > > > Fellow Greens, > > 2011 is the ideal time to set goals for the Party and develop strategies to > implement them! > > The Green Party of California is very excited about creating "The GPCA > Strategic Action Plan" > > Your input is absolutely vital in making this happen!! > > We have very basic questions to ask Greens in every County: > > * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in 2011/2012? How? > * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 5 years? How? > * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 10 years? > How? > > > Please forward this message to your local lists, present and discuss at your > next meeting, or however else you want to share this exciting project with > other Greens. > > We plan to collect your responses, blend them with things we've been talking > about, and create a draft outline GPCA Strategic Action Plan for our Spring > Plenary. > This document will be continually evolving throughout 2011 and needs to be > something useful for all of us as we plan ahead. > > We've made it really easy!. > > * Just go to this wiki page: Strategy Plan Wiki. > * Log-in or create an account. (10 seconds; link in upper right corner). > * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your input directly on the page. > * You are invited to share your ideas on all the Strategy Topics. > > > Please keep your comments short, specific, realistic and action-based. > > We also have an email lists as an alternative to the wiki for your responses > if you prefer. The address to send a message to this list is > strategyplan at cagreens.org . > > Wiki is a much better format than email for gathering lots of data, please > give it a try. > Its really quite easy! > > Please post your input on Wiki no later than the End of February. > We look forward to hearing from you........ > > Let's get this Party started!! > > > -- GPCA Standing Groups and the Coordinating Committee > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > > > > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan From truekahuna at comcast.net Wed Jan 12 10:36:34 2011 From: truekahuna at comcast.net (Bert) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:36:34 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D2D03DB.9010601@greens.org> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> <4D2B4425.8030705@comcast.net> <4D2BAFCD.3040801@greens.org> <844605.51815.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D2D03DB.9010601@greens.org> Message-ID: <4D2DF4B2.5020305@comcast.net> JUST FOR THE RECORD, I (BERT) DID NOT MAKE THE CURRENT CHANGES TO THE WIKI pages for "GPCA Strategic Action Plan". The content, as it has been changed, and which has now been annouced via County Contacts, has ABSOLUTELY NO RESEMBLENCE to what CCWG (Kendra), GIWG (Bert), or IT (Jim) were trying to put together. Please note that "GPCA Strategic Action Plan" was NOT, repeat NOT, supposed to be the "2012 Plan". The "GPCA Strategic Action Plan" was intended to work in concert with, the "2012 Plan". Someone has gone well over the "unilateral actions" limit on this and needs to recognize that there are other voices in GPCA beside her own. Bert Jim Stauffer wrote: > So, we are still having the same debate about whether or not we should > be telling the counties what topics to discuss. How many more months do > you want to spend on this issue? And, who said *these* are the topics we > need to discuss? I don't remember any consensus around that. > > If you and Shane think these topics are the most important, then bring > them up when you have your county/group meeting. > > I am adamantly opposed to listing these topics in the intro to the wiki > as if they are some definitive list ordained by the GPCA. If you really > want to pursue creating such a list, it's going to need a lot more > buy-in than just you and Shane. > > Jim > > > > On 1/10/2011 6:01 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: >> For the sake of getting this done, I'll agree to removing the list of >> topics, >> *_for now. _* >> I'd like to add those topics back in after we start seeing some >> feedback from >> locals...maybe in beginning of March?. We are supposed to be strategizing >> also, so using Wiki makes sense to faciliate that process. These >> topics are >> certainly some of the things we need to start talking about. >> >> Kendra Gonzales >> www.vccool.org >> www.cagreens.org/ventura >> "All the energy stored in the Earth's reserves of coal, oil, and >> natural gas >> is matched by the energy from 20 days of sunshine" ---Union of Concerned >> Scientists >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Jim Stauffer >> *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org >> *Sent:* Mon, January 10, 2011 5:18:05 PM >> *Subject:* [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement >> >> This is a carry-on from our previous thread. >> >> >> The text of the current draft announcement is pasted below. It includes >> instructions for posting comments. But, after comparing the >> announcement and >> the wiki, it seems that they are aimed more at individual responses >> rather >> than group responses. >> >> We've been talking all along about counties having group meetings. A >> secondary >> purpose of this project was to encourage counties to get together with >> their >> neighbors for an afternoon. As I reported, the CC wants this and is >> planning >> on promoting it in a follow-up announcement. >> >> Our primary interest is in getting these group reports. Then we can have >> individuals adding responses to those reports, or adding new topics. >> >> I'm going to change the bullet-list instructions in the announcement. >> The last >> two bullets will be: >> >> * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your group's report >> directly on >> the page. >> >> * Individuals are invited to comment on these reports, or to add new >> topics. >> >> >> For an intro on the wiki main page, I suggest we just use pertinent >> paragraphs >> from the announcement. We can add a ToC when we decide on how to >> sub-divide >> the responses. >> >> And I assume we're removing that list of Current Topics. >> >> Jim >> >> ================================================================= >> >> [ The final announcement is in HTML with links, highlights and >> emphasis. ] >> >> >> >> Fellow Greens, >> >> 2011 is the ideal time to set goals for the Party and develop >> strategies to >> implement them! >> >> The Green Party of California is very excited about creating "The GPCA >> Strategic Action Plan" >> >> Your input is absolutely vital in making this happen!! >> >> We have very basic questions to ask Greens in every County: >> >> * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in 2011/2012? How? >> * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 5 >> years? How? >> * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 10 years? >> How? >> >> >> Please forward this message to your local lists, present and discuss >> at your >> next meeting, or however else you want to share this exciting project >> with >> other Greens. >> >> We plan to collect your responses, blend them with things we've been >> talking >> about, and create a draft outline GPCA Strategic Action Plan for our >> Spring >> Plenary. >> This document will be continually evolving throughout 2011 and needs >> to be >> something useful for all of us as we plan ahead. >> >> We've made it really easy!. >> >> * Just go to this wiki page: Strategy Plan Wiki. >> * Log-in or create an account. (10 seconds; link in upper right corner). >> * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your input directly on >> the page. >> * You are invited to share your ideas on all the Strategy Topics. >> >> >> Please keep your comments short, specific, realistic and action-based. >> >> We also have an email lists as an alternative to the wiki for your >> responses >> if you prefer. The address to send a message to this list is >> strategyplan at cagreens.org . >> >> Wiki is a much better format than email for gathering lots of data, >> please >> give it a try. >> Its really quite easy! >> >> Please post your input on Wiki no later than the End of February. >> We look forward to hearing from you........ >> >> Let's get this Party started!! >> >> >> -- GPCA Standing Groups and the Coordinating Committee >> _______________________________________________ >> StrategyPlan mailing list >> StrategyPlan at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> StrategyPlan mailing list >> StrategyPlan at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > From earthworks_works at yahoo.com Wed Jan 12 11:07:16 2011 From: earthworks_works at yahoo.com (Kendra Gonzales) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:07:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D2D03DB.9010601@greens.org> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> <4D2B4425.8030705@comcast.net> <4D2BAFCD.3040801@greens.org> <844605.51815.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D2D03DB.9010601@greens.org> Message-ID: <254341.73129.qm@web56902.mail.re3.yahoo.com> My responses below in bold ________________________________ From: Jim Stauffer To: strategyplan at cagreens.org Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 5:28:59 PM Subject: Re: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement I don't see how asking counties to comment on some topics is "telling the counties....". Its an invitation, its optional, its voluntary. It lets the counties know what what we "state leaders" have been thinking and talking about...so far. Its not the end-all, end product, its just a starting point. However, its all moot anyway because the email has gone out with just the 3 broad questions and no reference to any specific topics. You got what you wanted, so what?is? your argument?. Are you blocking that we at the state level do any strategic planning ourselves?. If not, then just as we are doing with the counties, we need a repository for our ideas and data as well. If we are using Wiki for all Greens,?then lets be consistent and also use Wiki for?specific topics that we can add as we go through this.?... The topics were?to also include the many points you put forth. As to consensus, you and Shane were the only ones to put forward any specific topics. I didn't because between the 2 of you, all the bases were pretty much covered, as starting points...again, JUST to get conversation started. Please, lets not get stuck on "this is it...these are the topics....there is nothing else we need to?talk about....obviously there is much more, there will be more, we are in the beginning stages of this process. ? As to spending months on this....I don't want to, didn't want to....?but we obviously have to. Its about compromise and building consensus. I'm guessing that if this proposal, which seemed to have consensus quite a while ago had gone to an IT person who didn't have blocking concerns then it would have gone out quite awhile ago. So, you need to take some responsibility in the length of time this has taken. Shane also had some suggestions and concerns, we talked about them, and he stepped aside.?The other co-co's?have been supportive. The CC?is supportive.?That sounds like consensus to me, except for you. So, here we are...again. ? However, you deleted any reference to specific topics in the email that went out an hour after you posted this anyway!. Thats fine, thats great!. If I were a Green going to Wiki for the first time to post my county's ideas on the 3 very broad questions and also saw some specific topics being openly discussed, I would not think...."oh no! The state party is telling me what to do". I would think "oh, here are some specifc things being discussed, and we are invited to post our ideas too...and?we are ?even invited to create new topics!" So, if its an open invitation to everyone, any topics can be added, I don't get why?you think Greens will think this is top-down?. ? So, we are still having the same debate about whether or not we should be telling the counties what topics to discuss. How many more months do you want to spend on this issue? And, who said *these* are the topics we need to discuss? I don't remember any consensus around that. If you and Shane think these topics are the most important, then bring them up when you have your county/group meeting. Can we then say the same for the specific topics you brought up?. The plan was to include your suggested topics in the Wiki as well. Are you suggesting we don't have any topics on the Wiki ever?. If so, then how do you suggest the State Party do?any strategizing?. How do you suggest we create a documented Strategic Plan?. What other methods to you have in mind?. We've chosen Wiki as the tool, and we eventually?need to have some way to keep the ideas organized. How else do you suggest we keep ideas organized, than by topic?. I am adamantly opposed to listing these topics in the intro to the wiki as if they are some definitive list ordained by the GPCA. I had sent an email saying...go ahead, delete "topics" from the intro. I thought we were done. Then you sent this....I'm confused as to what you are asking. ? Are you suggesting we don't have any specific topics on the Wiki ever?. If so, then how do you suggest the State Party do?our strategizing?. How do you suggest we create a documented Strategic Plan?. What other methods to you have in mind?. Let me reiterate,?nothing here is definitive....nothing on the Wiki is definitive....none of the topics are ever definitive....strategic planning is all about having some kind of goal in mind and some ideas of how to get there and the ability to be flexible and allow the?Plan to change and evolve with the times.? I honestly do not know where you keep getting?"definitive" from....I've never put this proposal forth as being that.?I've been saying over and over that is what we don't want and couldn't possibly create. If you really want to pursue creating such a list, it's going to need a lot more buy-in than just you and Shane. We have the buy-in!. We've had the buy-in for awhile!. Seemingly, you are the only one that keeps blocking!??How much more assurance do you need that this is NOT a definitive, rigid, state-created, top-down strategic planning process?. Quite the opposite!. Please assure me that you are not blocking for just blocking's sake? ? Jim, please clarify what you are asking for. I know what you DON"T want, and I AGREE.?Please describe the how of Strategic Planning if you don't want a "topics" format?on Wiki. How else do you suggest we gather information?. Jim On 1/10/2011 6:01 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > For the sake of getting this done, I'll agree to removing the list of topics, > *_for now. _* > I'd like to add those topics back in after we start seeing some feedback from > locals...maybe in beginning of March?. We are supposed to be strategizing > also, so using Wiki makes sense to faciliate that process. These topics are > certainly some of the things we need to start talking about. > > Kendra Gonzales > www.vccool.org > www.cagreens.org/ventura > "All the energy stored in the Earth's reserves of coal, oil, and natural gas > is matched by the energy from 20 days of sunshine" ---Union of Concerned > Scientists > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Stauffer > *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org > *Sent:* Mon, January 10, 2011 5:18:05 PM > *Subject:* [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement > > This is a carry-on from our previous thread. > > > The text of the current draft announcement is pasted below. It includes > instructions for posting comments. But, after comparing the announcement and > the wiki, it seems that they are aimed more at individual responses rather > than group responses. > > We've been talking all along about counties having group meetings. A secondary > purpose of this project was to encourage counties to get together with their > neighbors for an afternoon. As I reported, the CC wants this and is planning > on promoting it in a follow-up announcement. > > Our primary interest is in getting these group reports. Then we can have > individuals adding responses to those reports, or adding new topics. > > I'm going to change the bullet-list instructions in the announcement. The last > two bullets will be: > > * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your group's report directly on > the page. > > * Individuals are invited to comment on these reports, or to add new topics. > > > For an intro on the wiki main page, I suggest we just use pertinent paragraphs > from the announcement. We can add a ToC when we decide on how to sub-divide > the responses. > > And I assume we're removing that list of Current Topics. > > Jim > > ================================================================= > > [ The final announcement is in HTML with links, highlights and emphasis. ] > > > > Fellow Greens, > > 2011 is the ideal time to set goals for the Party and develop strategies to > implement them! > > The Green Party of California is very excited about creating "The GPCA > Strategic Action Plan" > > Your input is absolutely vital in making this happen!! > > We have very basic questions to ask Greens in every County: > > * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in 2011/2012? How? > * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 5 years? How? > * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 10 years? > How? > > > Please forward this message to your local lists, present and discuss at your > next meeting, or however else you want to share this exciting project with > other Greens. > > We plan to collect your responses, blend them with things we've been talking > about, and create a draft outline GPCA Strategic Action Plan for our Spring > Plenary. > This document will be continually evolving throughout 2011 and needs to be > something useful for all of us as we plan ahead. > > We've made it really easy!. > > * Just go to this wiki page: Strategy Plan Wiki. > * Log-in or create an account. (10 seconds; link in upper right corner). > * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your input directly on the page. > * You are invited to share your ideas on all the Strategy Topics. > > > Please keep your comments short, specific, realistic and action-based. > > We also have an email lists as an alternative to the wiki for your responses > if you prefer. The address to send a message to this list is > strategyplan at cagreens.org . > > Wiki is a much better format than email for gathering lots of data, please > give it a try. > Its really quite easy! > > Please post your input on Wiki no later than the End of February. > We look forward to hearing from you........ > > Let's get this Party started!! > > > -- GPCA Standing Groups and the Coordinating Committee > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > > > > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan _______________________________________________ StrategyPlan mailing list StrategyPlan at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From earthworks_works at yahoo.com Wed Jan 12 13:09:51 2011 From: earthworks_works at yahoo.com (Kendra Gonzales) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:09:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement In-Reply-To: <4D2DF4B2.5020305@comcast.net> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> <4D2B4425.8030705@comcast.net> <4D2BAFCD.3040801@greens.org> <844605.51815.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D2D03DB.9010601@greens.org> <4D2DF4B2.5020305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <443879.85261.qm@web56901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I talked to Marnie and?explained the purpose of our particular Wiki page and?that?her 2012 Proposal needs to be deleted, she understood, and I deleted it. I also did a bunch of formatting myself to make it more clear where to post things, and so forth.?I'd much prefer seperate discussion pages for each question and topic, but couldn't quite?figure out how to do that. So, everything is on?1 discussion page for now, and laid out so folks can figure?it out easily. I left in?"topics",?to which we can add...and made it clear this is voluntary for any Greens and they can also add topics to hopefully alleviate any more concerns that Jim has. Again, this is NOT the end-all, finished product...it will have quirks and we'll need to continually re-assess and?possibly change the set-up. Its a good start for now!.?Oh my Goddess...its finally started!? ? Kendra Gonzales www.vccool.org www.cagreens.org/ventura "All the energy stored in the Earth's reserves of coal, oil, and natural gas ?is matched? by the energy from 20 days of sunshine" ---Union of Concerned Scientists ________________________________ From: Bert To: GPCA Strategy Planning Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:36:34 AM Subject: Re: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement JUST FOR THE RECORD, I (BERT) DID NOT MAKE THE CURRENT CHANGES TO THE WIKI pages for "GPCA Strategic Action Plan". The content, as it has been changed, and which has now been annouced via County Contacts, has ABSOLUTELY NO RESEMBLENCE to what CCWG (Kendra), GIWG (Bert), or IT (Jim) were trying to put together. Please note that "GPCA Strategic Action Plan" was NOT, repeat NOT, supposed to be the "2012 Plan". The "GPCA Strategic Action Plan" was intended to work in concert with, the "2012 Plan". Someone has gone well over the "unilateral actions" limit on this and needs to recognize that there are other voices in GPCA beside her own. Bert Jim Stauffer wrote: > So, we are still having the same debate about whether or not we should be >telling the counties what topics to discuss. How many more months do you want to >spend on this issue? And, who said *these* are the topics we need to discuss? I >don't remember any consensus around that. > > If you and Shane think these topics are the most important, then bring them up >when you have your county/group meeting. > > I am adamantly opposed to listing these topics in the intro to the wiki as if >they are some definitive list ordained by the GPCA. If you really want to pursue >creating such a list, it's going to need a lot more buy-in than just you and >Shane. > > Jim > > > > On 1/10/2011 6:01 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: >> For the sake of getting this done, I'll agree to removing the list of topics, >> *_for now. _* >> I'd like to add those topics back in after we start seeing some feedback from >> locals...maybe in beginning of March?. We are supposed to be strategizing >> also, so using Wiki makes sense to faciliate that process. These topics are >> certainly some of the things we need to start talking about. >> >> Kendra Gonzales >> www.vccool.org >> www.cagreens.org/ventura >> "All the energy stored in the Earth's reserves of coal, oil, and natural gas >> is matched by the energy from 20 days of sunshine" ---Union of Concerned >> Scientists >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> *From:* Jim Stauffer >> *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org >> *Sent:* Mon, January 10, 2011 5:18:05 PM >> *Subject:* [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement >> >> This is a carry-on from our previous thread. >> >> >> The text of the current draft announcement is pasted below. It includes >> instructions for posting comments. But, after comparing the announcement and >> the wiki, it seems that they are aimed more at individual responses rather >> than group responses. >> >> We've been talking all along about counties having group meetings. A secondary >> purpose of this project was to encourage counties to get together with their >> neighbors for an afternoon. As I reported, the CC wants this and is planning >> on promoting it in a follow-up announcement. >> >> Our primary interest is in getting these group reports. Then we can have >> individuals adding responses to those reports, or adding new topics. >> >> I'm going to change the bullet-list instructions in the announcement. The last >> two bullets will be: >> >> * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your group's report directly on >> the page. >> >> * Individuals are invited to comment on these reports, or to add new topics. >> >> >> For an intro on the wiki main page, I suggest we just use pertinent paragraphs >> from the announcement. We can add a ToC when we decide on how to sub-divide >> the responses. >> >> And I assume we're removing that list of Current Topics. >> >> Jim >> >> ================================================================= >> >> [ The final announcement is in HTML with links, highlights and emphasis. ] >> >> >> >> Fellow Greens, >> >> 2011 is the ideal time to set goals for the Party and develop strategies to >> implement them! >> >> The Green Party of California is very excited about creating "The GPCA >> Strategic Action Plan" >> >> Your input is absolutely vital in making this happen!! >> >> We have very basic questions to ask Greens in every County: >> >> * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in 2011/2012? How? >> * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 5 years? How? >> * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 10 years? >> How? >> >> >> Please forward this message to your local lists, present and discuss at your >> next meeting, or however else you want to share this exciting project with >> other Greens. >> >> We plan to collect your responses, blend them with things we've been talking >> about, and create a draft outline GPCA Strategic Action Plan for our Spring >> Plenary. >> This document will be continually evolving throughout 2011 and needs to be >> something useful for all of us as we plan ahead. >> >> We've made it really easy!. >> >> * Just go to this wiki page: Strategy Plan Wiki. >> * Log-in or create an account. (10 seconds; link in upper right corner). >> * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your input directly on the page. >> * You are invited to share your ideas on all the Strategy Topics. >> >> >> Please keep your comments short, specific, realistic and action-based. >> >> We also have an email lists as an alternative to the wiki for your responses >> if you prefer. The address to send a message to this list is >> strategyplan at cagreens.org . >> >> Wiki is a much better format than email for gathering lots of data, please >> give it a try. >> Its really quite easy! >> >> Please post your input on Wiki no later than the End of February. >> We look forward to hearing from you........ >> >> Let's get this Party started!! >> >> >> -- GPCA Standing Groups and the Coordinating Committee >> _______________________________________________ >> StrategyPlan mailing list >> StrategyPlan at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> StrategyPlan mailing list >> StrategyPlan at cagreens.org >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > _______________________________________________ StrategyPlan mailing list StrategyPlan at cagreens.org http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jims at greens.org Wed Jan 12 17:40:17 2011 From: jims at greens.org (Jim Stauffer) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:40:17 -0800 Subject: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement In-Reply-To: <254341.73129.qm@web56902.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <4D23C2B9.9020308@greens.org> <865531.21140.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D252308.7000508@greens.org> <349184.62053.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D28F36C.2080602@greens.org> <4D2A0041.508@comcast.net> <4D2A7A20.7060300@greens.org> <4D2B4425.8030705@comcast.net> <4D2BAFCD.3040801@greens.org> <844605.51815.qm@web56908.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <4D2D03DB.9010601@greens.org> <254341.73129.qm@web56902.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D2E5801.1080002@greens.org> I'm not going to waste my time responding to this. You have never listened to single thing I've said on this issue, you have just plowed ahead with whatever you wanted to do. That Current Topic list is exclusively Shane's comments. Show me where there was consensus that these represent the state party's ideas. Some of them aren't even accurate. The instructions you wrote make no sense and certainly don't jibe with any reasonable structure for this wiki project. But go ahead and keep putting out your snipes about cooperation and consensus, while demonstrating that you don't know the meaning of the words. Jim On 1/12/2011 11:07 AM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > My responses below in bold > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Stauffer > *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org > *Sent:* Tue, January 11, 2011 5:28:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement > > So, we are still having the same debate about whether or not we should be > telling the counties what topics to discuss. How many more months do you want > to spend on this issue? And, who said *these* are the topics we need to > discuss? I don't remember any consensus around that. > /*I don't see how _asking _counties to comment on _some _topics is "telling > the counties....". Its an _invitation_, its _optional,_ its _voluntary_. It > lets the counties know what what we "state leaders" have been thinking and > talking about...so far. Its not the end-all, end product, its just a starting > point. However, its all moot anyway because the email has gone out with just > the 3 broad questions and no reference to any specific topics. You got what > you wanted, so what is your argument?. Are you blocking that we at the state > level do any strategic planning ourselves?. If not, then just as we are doing > with the counties, we need a repository for our ideas and data as well. If we > are using Wiki for all Greens, then lets be consistent and also use Wiki for > specific topics that we can add as we go through this. ...*/ > /*The topics were to also include the many points _you _put forth. As to > consensus, you and Shane were the only ones to put forward any specific > topics. I didn't because between the 2 of you, all the bases were pretty much > covered, as starting points...again, JUST to get conversation started. Please, > lets not get stuck on "this is it...these are the topics....there is nothing > else we need to talk about....obviously there is much more, there will be > more, we are in the _beginning _stages of this process. */ > /*As to spending months on this....I don't want to, didn't want to.... but we > obviously have to. Its about compromise and building consensus. I'm guessing > that if this proposal, which seemed to have consensus quite a while ago had > gone to an IT person who didn't have blocking concerns then it would have gone > out quite awhile ago. So, you need to take some responsibility in the length > of time this has taken. Shane also had some suggestions and concerns, we > talked about them, and he stepped aside. The other co-co's have been > supportive. The CC is supportive. That sounds like consensus to me, except for > you. So, here we are...again. */ > /**/ > /*However, you deleted any reference to specific topics in the email that went > out an hour after you posted this anyway!. Thats fine, thats great!. If I were > a Green going to Wiki for the first time to post my county's ideas on the 3 > very broad questions and also saw some specific topics being openly discussed, > I would not think...."oh no! The state party is telling me what to do". I > would think "oh, here are some specifc things being discussed, and we are > invited to post our ideas too...and we are even invited to create new topics!" > */*/So, if its an open invitation to everyone, any topics can be added, I > don't get why you think Greens will think this is top-down?. /* > *//* > > If you and Shane think these topics are the most important, then bring them up > when you have your county/group meeting. > */Can we then say the same for the specific topics _you_ brought up?. The plan > was to include your suggested topics in the Wiki as well. Are you suggesting > we don't have any topics on the Wiki ever?. If so, then how do you suggest the > State Party do any strategizing?. How do you suggest we create a documented > Strategic Plan?. What other methods to you have in mind?. We've chosen Wiki as > the tool, and we eventually need to have some way to keep the ideas organized. > How else do you suggest we keep ideas organized, than by topic?. / > > *I am adamantly opposed to listing these topics in the intro to the wiki as if > they are some definitive list ordained by the GPCA. > /*I had sent an email saying...go ahead, delete "topics" from the intro. I > thought we were done. Then you sent this....I'm confused as to what you are > asking. */ > /**/ > /*Are you suggesting we don't have any specific topics on the Wiki ever?. If > so, then how do you suggest the State Party do our strategizing?. How do you > suggest we create a documented Strategic Plan?. What other methods to you have > in mind?. Let me reiterate, nothing here is definitive....nothing on the Wiki > is definitive....none of the topics are ever definitive....strategic planning > is all about having some kind of goal in mind and some ideas of how to get > there and the ability to be flexible and allow the Plan to change and evolve > with the times. I honestly do not know where you keep getting "definitive" > from....I've never put this proposal forth as being that. I've been saying > over and over that is what we don't want and couldn't possibly create. */ > > If you really want to > pursue creating such a list, it's going to need a lot more buy-in than just > you and Shane. > */We have the buy-in!. We've had the buy-in for awhile!. Seemingly, you are > the only one that keeps blocking! /**/How much more assurance do you need that > this is NOT a definitive, rigid, state-created, top-down strategic planning > process?. Quite the opposite!. Please assure me that you are not blocking for > just blocking's sake?/* > *//* > */Jim, please clarify what you are asking for. I know what you DON"T want, and > I AGREE. Please describe _the how_ of Strategic Planning if you don't want a > "topics" format on Wiki. How else do you suggest we gather information?. /* > > Jim > > > > On 1/10/2011 6:01 PM, Kendra Gonzales wrote: > > For the sake of getting this done, I'll agree to removing the list of topics, > > *_for now. _* > > I'd like to add those topics back in after we start seeing some feedback from > > locals...maybe in beginning of March?. We are supposed to be strategizing > > also, so using Wiki makes sense to faciliate that process. These topics are > > certainly some of the things we need to start talking about. > > > > Kendra Gonzales > > www.vccool.org > > www.cagreens.org/ventura > > "All the energy stored in the Earth's reserves of coal, oil, and natural gas > > is matched by the energy from 20 days of sunshine" ---Union of Concerned > > Scientists > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Jim Stauffer > > > *To:* strategyplan at cagreens.org > > *Sent:* Mon, January 10, 2011 5:18:05 PM > > *Subject:* [StrategyPlan] Wiki and Announcement > > > > This is a carry-on from our previous thread. > > > > > > The text of the current draft announcement is pasted below. It includes > > instructions for posting comments. But, after comparing the announcement and > > the wiki, it seems that they are aimed more at individual responses rather > > than group responses. > > > > We've been talking all along about counties having group meetings. A secondary > > purpose of this project was to encourage counties to get together with their > > neighbors for an afternoon. As I reported, the CC wants this and is planning > > on promoting it in a follow-up announcement. > > > > Our primary interest is in getting these group reports. Then we can have > > individuals adding responses to those reports, or adding new topics. > > > > I'm going to change the bullet-list instructions in the announcement. The last > > two bullets will be: > > > > * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your group's report directly on > > the page. > > > > * Individuals are invited to comment on these reports, or to add new topics. > > > > > > For an intro on the wiki main page, I suggest we just use pertinent paragraphs > > from the announcement. We can add a ToC when we decide on how to sub-divide > > the responses. > > > > And I assume we're removing that list of Current Topics. > > > > Jim > > > > ================================================================= > > > > [ The final announcement is in HTML with links, highlights and emphasis. ] > > > > > > > > Fellow Greens, > > > > 2011 is the ideal time to set goals for the Party and develop strategies to > > implement them! > > > > The Green Party of California is very excited about creating "The GPCA > > Strategic Action Plan" > > > > Your input is absolutely vital in making this happen!! > > > > We have very basic questions to ask Greens in every County: > > > > * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in 2011/2012? How? > > * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 5 years? How? > > * What can The Green Party of California accomplish in the next 10 years? > > How? > > > > > > Please forward this message to your local lists, present and discuss at your > > next meeting, or however else you want to share this exciting project with > > other Greens. > > > > We plan to collect your responses, blend them with things we've been talking > > about, and create a draft outline GPCA Strategic Action Plan for our Spring > > Plenary. > > This document will be continually evolving throughout 2011 and needs to be > > something useful for all of us as we plan ahead. > > > > We've made it really easy!. > > > > * Just go to this wiki page: Strategy Plan Wiki. > > * Log-in or create an account. (10 seconds; link in upper right corner). > > * Click the Discussion tab and type or paste your input directly on the page. > > * You are invited to share your ideas on all the Strategy Topics. > > > > > > Please keep your comments short, specific, realistic and action-based. > > > > We also have an email lists as an alternative to the wiki for your responses > > if you prefer. The address to send a message to this list is > > strategyplan at cagreens.org > >. > > > > Wiki is a much better format than email for gathering lots of data, please > > give it a try. > > Its really quite easy! > > > > Please post your input on Wiki no later than the End of February. > > We look forward to hearing from you........ > > > > Let's get this Party started!! > > > > > > -- GPCA Standing Groups and the Coordinating Committee > > _______________________________________________ > > StrategyPlan mailing list > > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > > > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > StrategyPlan mailing list > > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan > > > > _______________________________________________ > StrategyPlan mailing list > StrategyPlan at cagreens.org > http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/strategyplan