[Sosfbay-discuss] spiritual progressives

[Roy]

>
>
>Baseball is definately a religion. Please notice, that at least
>around here baseball is working very hard to be transit
>friendly. Also notice that in baseball there is a very interesting
>role for superstition. I've never had any luck trying to explain
>it to either christians or jews. Not that I've ever tried that hard.
>Not that I'm an expert.

You needn't be an expert in biology or physics to point out lemmings 
jumping off a cliff.


>At the bookstore in downtown Mountain View, in the window,
>there is a new DVD of Noam Chomsky. The title is "Rebel
>Without a Pause." I'm thinking 'some gullible child is going
>to get the impression Noam Chomsky never slept."


Or is a dawg with no feat.  (freudian clip there)

(don't get me wrong, I do like a lot of what Chomsky says)

For me, all that biblical stuff happened long be fore the revolution
>our founding fathers signed on to. I've heard it said that WW II
>was the most clear cut case of an evil dictator running the show
>in known history.


I'm sure you know this, but who's writing the history?..how come there was 
no interest until oil was at stake? and even once the war was in progress 
our business were still doing business with Germany? Some thing's rotten in 
Denmark for sure with this noble cause routine.

>  When I try to put things into perspective, I
>remind myself that there are many more people in India then
>there are in Israel, even though their countries are about the
>same age, as democracies go. I'm thinking that when democracy
>play by play gets more sophisticated, the announcer will be able
>to bring up statistics on war crimes and border violations and
>so forth between countries as they parade across the national
>stage. It'll be interesting to see how they factor in the different
>religions and how spiritual they really are, as measured by
>American eyes. I'm sure they will do a good job, if enough
>ratings points are at stake. I'm hoping having lower stats for
>war crimes is better, but you never know with these Republicans.

When you say democracy in the above sentences I'm hoping you mean 
capitalism..yes?

>Seems to me that the Isrealis haven't been trying to develop
>good karma for the day when the truth comes out. Ever heard
>Allison Weir talk about how they make the American media give
>us a false impression about what is going on over there?


Allison has been one of many who have been instrumental in opening my eyes 
to what it was that I was smelling.
 >
>You could fit all of the above on a bumper sticker. You just
>couldn't expect the guy in the car behind you to read it at
>65 MPH. Especially if he was following at a legal distance.


For that matter I could have it put on a grain of rice :-)


>For spirtiual politics, consider this peice that got forwarded to
>me via a quaker. It is so concretely political I'm lost trying to
>find a disconnect in it, except that the author doesn't like Bush:
>
>http://www.fcnl.org/smith/stateofunion06.htm


Good Article. What gets me is how everyone wants to pin this all on Bush 
and his regime. Basically it's a class warfare and imperialism together. 
Bush has pushed it to limits that are unacceptable to some who found lower 
levels of it acceptable before. So what do we do. Go back to acceptable 
levels?  Not for me. I found it unacceptable before Bush and will most 
certainly find it unacceptable after. So will those who the opportunistic 
predatory nature of US "capitalism" has in it's sights.

Hey.. did you pick a pic yet?

Namaste

Roy



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>Latest change: Added my favorite moment from the State
>of the Union Adress last month. When I told my dad
>I had a favorite moment in that speech, he said "It's not
>possible to have a favorite moment from Bush." I didn't
>want to try and explain it was only my favorite turd.
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"Humans who enslave, castrate, experiment on and fillet other animals have 
had an understandable penchant for pretending animals do not feel pain. A 
sharp distinction between humans and 'animals' is essential if we are to 
bend them to our will, wear them, eat them-without any disquieting tinges 
of guilt or regret. It is unseemly of us, who often behave so unfeelingly 
toward other animals, to contend that only humans can suffer. The behavior 
of other animals renders such pretensions specious. They are just to much 
like us. "

Dr. Carl Sagan & Ann Druyan.