[Sosfbay-discuss] [usgp-media] Tillman was apparently fragged! Murdered by M-16 at close range

Fri Jul 27 03:10:29 PDT 2007

Nan, I just took the time to again read Goff's
reconstruction and actually this new report completely
alters the story.  Goff didn't have anything about 
1) an M-16 
2) to the forehead 
3) from less that 10 yards.  All that indeed is news
with entirely new implications! 

Goff talks about "less than 40 Meters" distance and
"high velocity projecticles" (unlike M-16), rocks and
SAW rounds (again not M-16 rounds). Here's his guess:

"The personnel aboard Baker’s Hummer saw Pat Tillman
and Brian O’Neal at less than 40 meters away with
their distinctive US battle-rattle silhouettes,"

AND 

"In the hail of fire that was punctuated by tracers
chattering through the lethal cone of high-velocity
projectiles, stones were thrown at high enough speed
to wound Pat in the wrist and leg.  It is also known
that SAW ammunition hit the body armor that covered
his chest and abdomen."

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062306_tillman_files4.shtml

Green is Truth!

Drew Johnson
California

--- JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> And I blogged about the stolen election of 04
> shortly
> after it happened, but it is still 'news' to most of
> the world when the story finally is carried outside
> of
> the blogging community in the MSM.  Stan Goff wasn't
> carried by AP.  Now it is the AP that's carrying the
> news so its out into the MSM.
> 
> 
> Green is Truth!
> 
> Drew Johnson
> California
> 
> 
> --- Nan Garrett <nannetteg at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > This is actually not 'news'. Stan Goff wrote this
> > story two
> > years ago.
> > 
> > Nan
> > --- JamBoi <jamboi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I suspected this all along so I'm not in the
> least
> > > surprised.  Saddened but not surprised.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Green is Truth!
> > > 
> > > Drew Johnson
> > > 
> > >
> >
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070726/ap_on_re_us/tillman_friendly_fire
> > > 
> > > AP: New details on Tillman's death
> > > 
> > > By MARTHA MENDOZA, AP National Writer Thu Jul
> 26,
> > 7:59
> > > PM ET
> > > 
> > > SAN FRANCISCO - Army medical examiners were
> > suspicious
> > > about the close proximity of the three bullet
> > holes in
> > > Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success
> > to
> > > get authorities to investigate whether the
> former
> > NFL
> > > player's death amounted to a crime, according to
> > > documents obtained by The Associated Press.
> > > 
> > > "The medical evidence did not match up with the,
> > with
> > > the scenario as described," a doctor who
> examined
> > > Tillman's body after he was killed on the
> > battlefield
> > > in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.
> > > 
> > > The doctors — whose names were blacked out —
> said
> > that
> > > the bullet holes were so close together that it
> > > appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16
> > fired
> > > from a mere 10 yards or so away.
> > > 
> > > Ultimately, the Pentagon did conduct a criminal
> > > investigation, and asked Tillman's comrades
> > whether he
> > > was disliked by his men and whether they had any
> > > reason to believe he was deliberately killed.
> The
> > > Pentagon eventually ruled that Tillman's death
> at
> > the
> > > hands of his comrades was a friendly-fire
> > accident.
> > > 
> > > The medical examiners' suspicions were outlined
> in
> > > 2,300 pages of testimony released to the AP this
> > week
> > > by the Defense Department in response to a
> Freedom
> > of
> > > Information Act request.
> > > 
> > > Among other information contained in the
> > documents:
> > > 
> > > • In his last words moments before he was
> killed,
> > > Tillman snapped at a panicky comrade under fire
> to
> > > shut up and stop "sniveling."
> > > 
> > > • Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory
> > > e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at
> bay
> > as
> > > the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire
> > > investigation that resulted in administrative,
> or
> > > non-criminal, punishments.
> > > 
> > > • The three-star general who kept the truth
> about
> > > Tillman's death from his family and the public
> > told
> > > investigators some 70 times that he had a bad
> > memory
> > > and couldn't recall details of his actions.
> > > 
> > > • No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at
> > the
> > > scene — no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was
> any
> > > government equipment struck.
> > > 
> > > The Pentagon and the Bush administration have
> been
> > > criticized in recent months for lying about the
> > > circumstances of Tillman's death. The military
> > > initially told the public and the Tillman family
> > that
> > > he had been killed by enemy fire. Only weeks
> later
> > did
> > > the Pentagon acknowledge he was gunned down by
> > fellow
> > > Rangers.
> > > 
> > > With questions lingering about how high in the
> > Bush
> > > administration the deception reached, Congress
> is
> > > preparing for yet another hearing next week.
> > > 
> > > The Pentagon is separately preparing a new round
> > of
> > > punishments, including a stinging demotion of
> > retired
> > > Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensinger Jr., 60, according
> to
> > > military officials who spoke on condition of
> > anonymity
> > > because the punishments under consideration have
> > not
> > > been made public.
> > > 
> > > In more than four hours of questioning by the
> > Pentagon
> > > inspector general's office in December 2006,
> > Kensinger
> > > repeatedly contradicted other officers'
> testimony,
> > and
> > > sometimes his own. He said on some 70 occasions
> > that
> > > he did not recall something.
> > > 
> > > At one point, he said: "You've got me really
> > scared
> > > about my brain right now. I'm really having a
> > > problem."
> > > 
> > > Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, who has long
> > suggested
> > > that her son was deliberately killed by his
> > comrades,
> > > said she is still looking for answers and looks
> > > forward to the congressional hearings next week.
> > > 
> > > "Nothing is going to bring Pat back. It's about
> > > justice for Pat and justice for other soldiers.
> > The
> > > nation has been deceived," she said.
> > > 
> > > The documents show that a doctor who autopsied
> > > Tillman's body was suspicious of the three
> gunshot
> > > wounds to the forehead. The doctor said he took
> > the
> > > unusual step of calling the Army's Human
> Resources
> > > Command and was rebuffed. He then asked an
> > official at
> > > the Army's Criminal Investigation Division if
> the
> > CID
> > > would consider opening a criminal case.
> > > 
> > > "He said he talked to his higher headquarters
> and
> > they
> > > had said no," the doctor testified.
> > > 
> > > Also according to the documents, investigators
> > pressed
> > > officers and soldiers on a question Mrs. Tillman
> > has
> > > been asking all along.
> > > 
> > > "Have you, at any time since this incident
> > occurred
> > > back on April 22, 2004, have you ever received
> any
> > > information even rumor that Cpl. Tillman was
> > killed by
> > > anybody within his own unit intentionally?" an
> > > investigator asked then-Capt. Richard Scott.
> > > 
> > > Scott, and others who were asked, said they were
> > > certain the shooting was accidental.
> > > 
> > > Investigators also asked soldiers and commanders
> > > whether Tillman was disliked, whether anyone was
> > > jealous of his celebrity, or if he was
> considered
> > > arrogant. They said Tillman was respected,
> admired
> > and
> > > well-liked.
> > > 
> > > The documents also shed new light on Tillman's
> > last
> > > moments.
> > > 
> > > It has been widely reported by the AP and others
> > that
> > > Spc. Bryan O'Neal, who was at Tillman's side as
> he
> > was
> > > killed, told investigators that Tillman was
> waving
> > his
> > > arms shouting "Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat
> > > (expletive) Tillman, damn it!" again and again.
> > > 
> > > But the latest documents give a different
> account
> > from
> > > a chaplain who debriefed the entire unit days
> > after
> > > Tillman was killed.
> > > 
> > > The chaplain said that O'Neal told him he was
> > hugging
> > > the ground at Tillman's side, "crying out to
> God,
> > help
> > > us. And Tillman says to him, `Would you shut
> your
> > > (expletive) mouth? God's not going to help you;
> > you
> > > need to do something for yourself, you sniveling
> > ..."
> > > 
> > > ___
> > > 
> > > Associated Press reporters Scott Lindlaw in Las
> > Vegas
> > > and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed
> to
> > this
> > > story.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ___________________
> > > 
> > > JamBoi: Jammy, The Sacred Cow Slayer
> > > The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
> > > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> > > 
> > > "To the brave belong all things"
> > > Celt's invading Etrusca reply to nervous Romans
> > around
> > > 400BC
> > > 
> > > "Live humbly, laugh often and love
> > unconditionally"
> > > (anon)
> > > 
> > > 
> > >        
> > >
> >
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> ___________________
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> JamBoi: Jammy, The Sacred Cow Slayer
> The Green Parties' #1 Blogger
> http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> 
> "To the brave belong all things"
> Celt's invading Etrusca reply to nervous Romans
> around 400BC
> 
> "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally"
> (anon)
> 
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"To the brave belong all things"
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"Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)

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