[Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places

[Duende]

Drew

You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and who  
could participate on it.

Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it  
says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics relevant  
to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the Santa  
Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You rant,  
you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you still  
have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important to  
you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time it  
would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive tirade.


email lists
The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
relevant to the Green Party.


_________________________________________________________________
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part  
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and  
feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical  
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for  
us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few  
persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this  
prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living  
creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

Albert Einstein


On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:00 PM, JamBoi wrote:

> This list has ALWAYS BEEN by and for the MEMBERS OF THE GPSCC.  We are
> not much limited on  the subject we discuss, but it is a LOCAL list  
> for
> and by the Members of the GPSCC.  ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE.
>
> NOTE ROY THAT We (the GPSCC)  are NOT AVAILABLE FOR DOMINATION BY
> NON-GPSCC Members.
>
> Our Bylaws  ( http://cagreens.org/sclara/ ) CLARIFY:
>
> ARTICLE 1 MEMBERSHIP IN THE GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY
>
> 1.1 Any voter who has registered as a member of the Green Party and  
> who
> is a resident of Santa Clara County also shall be a member of the  
> Green
> Party of Santa Clara County.
>
> 1.2 Only active members will vote in official county Green Party
> functions, should a vote be required according to the Consensus  
> Process
> described in Article 6. Official functions shall be those at which
> decisions are made in the name of the Party.
>
> 1.3 An active member shall be a person who has attended 2 out of the
> last 5 meetings of the official functions at which (s)he wishes to
> vote. For example, a vote at a General meeting, a committee meeting, a
> local meeting, etc.
>
> WHAT IS MY (DREW JOHNSON'S) ROLE AS  A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL???
>
> I TURN TO THE BYLAWS AGAIN FOR THE ANSWER:
>
> ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL
>
> 2.1 Purposes
>
> 2.1.1 The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a
> liaison between the California Green Party and Santa Clara County
> officials. As used in these Bylaws, the term "County Council" shall
> have the same meaning as the term "Central Committee" as that term is
> used by the Office of the Registrar of Voters for Santa Clara County,
> California.
>
> 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from among
> its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at a
> General County Meeting. The Council and/or its officers will be
> responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements of
> the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). The Council or its
> officers shall be responsible for obtaining an FPPC number for
> financial reporting. The Council may create such committees or  
> initiate
> such inquiries as it considers necessary and appropriate to perform  
> its
> collective responsibilities as described in these Bylaws.
>
> 2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties  
> include
> serving as a coordinating or steering committee to:
>
> a) Facilitate communications between Green Party members within the
> county, at county meetings, and between locals within the county.
>
> b) Facilitate communications between the county Green Party and the
> State Green Party.
>
> c) Assist Green Party involvement in elections in the county  
> (including
> recruiting, advising and assisting Green Party candidates,
> co-ordinating voter registration efforts and tabling, and supporting
> ballot issues effecting issues of concern to the state or county Green
> Party).
>
> d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and other
> Green Parties and/or other local organizations which support the
> principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform.
>
> e) Oversee and assist the work of committees formed by the Council, or
> outside the Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the  
> above
> duties, or other duties considered necessary that are not in conflict
> with these ByLaws; such as an electoral reform committee, an
> environmental issues committee, etc.
>
> 2.1.4 The County Council shall act as the designated contact persons
> for the Green Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested people
> to persons who may be designated as spokespeople for the Party at a
> General County Meeting.
>
> SO THEREFORE WE ON THE COUNCIL ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
> OPERATIONS OF THE GPSCC AND WILL SERVE TO FACILITATE OUR PARTY AS WELL
> AS TO PROTECT IT FROM DOMINATION FROM NON-PARTY (THAT IS NON GPSCC)
> MEMBERS.
>
> So Roy, This drama you're trying to perpetuate re: ML's hissy fit and
> exit is a dead issue. period.
>
> More intersperse below:
>
> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part
>>
>> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
>> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
>> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for
>>
>> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
>>
>> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this
>> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living
>> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
>>
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> NOT
>>
>> Here's a quote from the SC Green website:
>>
>> "email lists
>> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
>> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
>> relevant to the Green Party."
>>
>> Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not the
>> Santa Clara Greens.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I
>>> wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party
>> values
>>> state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
>>>
>>> Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing or
>> what
>>> have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county list.
>>
>> Please reference above.
>>
>>>
>>> Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC
>> fashion
>>> what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his action.
>> I
>>> never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
>>> 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined with
>> his
>>> lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even where he
>>
>>> is.
>>
>> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable with
>>
>> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable censoring
>> him.
>
> Give me a break!

Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.

>
>> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
>> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration
>> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand
>> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want however
>>
>> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your statements.
>>
>> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the area
>> again.
>
> As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because you
> needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
> Irishmen!

I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.


>
> As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically posted
> previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the Roy  
> that
> had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with  
> them.
>  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted me at
> any point)

You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on this  
list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up originally  
so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought this  
up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit you.

> So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
> it.

What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you  
supposedly were going to do something with it.

>
> As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We need the
> efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
> possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along w/ me
> and Andrea and others) to be vital members!

That's a whole other kettle of fish.

>
>> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the way
>> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they could
>> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing so.
>>
>> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to stir
>> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do the
>> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
>> fuzzy.
>
> Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were berating
> Cameron for the way he runs this list.

I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a nuisance.  
Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was  
being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt it  
fair if he was in the line of fire.

> In that case it was you
> (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a GPSCC
> stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to do
> his job!!!

I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to request  
an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list  
(one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to respond  
in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the hundreds  
of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I  
worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to  
fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They weren't  
there to fulfill my needs.

> So please try to understand how that came across and then
> for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have the
> right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.

There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green Party  
member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the Green  
Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so  
there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.

Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a  
hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word  
xenophobic to describe this behaviour.

I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's transpired  
here.

Peace

Duende