[Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places

[Duende]

Sorry for the rouble post but there was a whole bunch that needed to  
be cut.

Drew

You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and who  
could participate on it.

Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it  
says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics relevant  
to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the Santa  
Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You rant,  
you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you still  
have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important to  
you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time it  
would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive tirade.


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The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email  
lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics  
relevant to the Green Party.


>>
>> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable with
>>
>> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable censoring
>> him.
>
> Give me a break!

Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.

>
>> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
>> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration
>> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand
>> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want however
>>
>> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your statements.
>>
>> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the area
>> again.
>
> As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because you
> needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
> Irishmen!

I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.


>
> As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically posted
> previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the Roy  
> that
> had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with  
> them.
>  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted me at
> any point)

You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on this  
list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up originally  
so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought this  
up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit you.

> So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
> it.

What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you  
supposedly were going to do something with it.

>
> As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We need the
> efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
> possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along w/ me
> and Andrea and others) to be vital members!

That's a whole other kettle of fish.

>
>> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the way
>> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they could
>> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing so.
>>
>> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to stir
>> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do the
>> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
>> fuzzy.
>
> Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were berating
> Cameron for the way he runs this list.

I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a nuisance.  
Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was  
being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt it  
fair if he was in the line of fire.

> In that case it was you
> (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a GPSCC
> stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to do
> his job!!!

I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to request  
an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list  
(one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to respond  
in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the hundreds  
of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I  
worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to  
fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They weren't  
there to fulfill my needs.

> So please try to understand how that came across and then
> for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have the
> right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.

There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green Party  
member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the Green  
Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so  
there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.

Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a  
hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word  
xenophobic to describe this behaviour.

I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's transpired  
here.

Peace

Duende