[Sosfbay-discuss] Ideas from Far-Flung Places

[Duende]

You've got  lot of nerve Drew. You've been using this type of  
language all along but never responded at all when I pointed it out.  
Hell.. you've been throwing "shit" around quite liberally and now one  
little dose and you're wrapping your self in righteous indignation.  
Amazing dude. (Dude is a kissing cousin to Bubba)

By the way, you're not a shepherd nor are we sheep. You're a servant.  
You're grandiosity in this role has been obvious to all but the  
casual observer in more than one of your posts.

Peace

Duende



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The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the  
one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and  
Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.


On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:

> Roy , I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop using such wildly
> inflammatory language (ie. "Bubba", "rant", "rave", etc) and just cool
> it.  Just because you refuse to acknowledge the purpose of this list
> which it has carried since its inception does not change its nature  
> and
> does not make my salient points "obfuscating" no matter how much you'd
> wish it would.  Just because you don't acknowledge my sheparding role
> as member of the County Council to protect our GPSCC (ie. THE Green
> Party that we are talking about) does not alter my role.
>
> Check this out:
> "discussion of topics relevant to the Green Party" = The GPSCC and the
> GPSCC is a member of the GPCA.  So unlike you're extremely literal
> reading and understanding of this, I reiterate,
>
> EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS OF, FOR
> AND BY THE GPSCC.
>
> Impeach for Peace!
>
> Drew
>
>
>
> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>
>> Drew
>>
>> You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and who
>> could participate on it.
>>
>> Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it
>> says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics relevant
>> to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the Santa
>> Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You rant,
>> you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you still
>> have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important to
>> you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time it
>> would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive
>> tirade.
>>
>>
>> email lists
>> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
>> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
>> relevant to the Green Party.
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part
>> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
>> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
>> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for
>> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few
>> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this
>> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living
>> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
>>
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:00 PM, JamBoi wrote:
>>
>>> This list has ALWAYS BEEN by and for the MEMBERS OF THE GPSCC.  We
>> are
>>> not much limited on  the subject we discuss, but it is a LOCAL list
>>
>>> for
>>> and by the Members of the GPSCC.  ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL BE.
>>>
>>> NOTE ROY THAT We (the GPSCC)  are NOT AVAILABLE FOR DOMINATION BY
>>> NON-GPSCC Members.
>>>
>>> Our Bylaws  ( http://cagreens.org/sclara/ ) CLARIFY:
>>>
>>> ARTICLE 1 MEMBERSHIP IN THE GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY
>>>
>>> 1.1 Any voter who has registered as a member of the Green Party and
>>
>>> who
>>> is a resident of Santa Clara County also shall be a member of the
>>> Green
>>> Party of Santa Clara County.
>>>
>>> 1.2 Only active members will vote in official county Green Party
>>> functions, should a vote be required according to the Consensus
>>> Process
>>> described in Article 6. Official functions shall be those at which
>>> decisions are made in the name of the Party.
>>>
>>> 1.3 An active member shall be a person who has attended 2 out of
>> the
>>> last 5 meetings of the official functions at which (s)he wishes to
>>> vote. For example, a vote at a General meeting, a committee
>> meeting, a
>>> local meeting, etc.
>>>
>>> WHAT IS MY (DREW JOHNSON'S) ROLE AS  A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY
>> COUNCIL???
>>>
>>> I TURN TO THE BYLAWS AGAIN FOR THE ANSWER:
>>>
>>> ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL
>>>
>>> 2.1 Purposes
>>>
>>> 2.1.1 The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a
>>> liaison between the California Green Party and Santa Clara County
>>> officials. As used in these Bylaws, the term "County Council" shall
>>> have the same meaning as the term "Central Committee" as that term
>> is
>>> used by the Office of the Registrar of Voters for Santa Clara
>> County,
>>> California.
>>>
>>> 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from
>> among
>>> its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made at
>> a
>>> General County Meeting. The Council and/or its officers will be
>>> responsible for complying with the financial reporting requirements
>> of
>>> the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). The Council or its
>>> officers shall be responsible for obtaining an FPPC number for
>>> financial reporting. The Council may create such committees or
>>> initiate
>>> such inquiries as it considers necessary and appropriate to perform
>>
>>> its
>>> collective responsibilities as described in these Bylaws.
>>>
>>> 2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties
>>> include
>>> serving as a coordinating or steering committee to:
>>>
>>> a) Facilitate communications between Green Party members within the
>>> county, at county meetings, and between locals within the county.
>>>
>>> b) Facilitate communications between the county Green Party and the
>>> State Green Party.
>>>
>>> c) Assist Green Party involvement in elections in the county
>>> (including
>>> recruiting, advising and assisting Green Party candidates,
>>> co-ordinating voter registration efforts and tabling, and
>> supporting
>>> ballot issues effecting issues of concern to the state or county
>> Green
>>> Party).
>>>
>>> d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and other
>>> Green Parties and/or other local organizations which support the
>>> principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform.
>>>
>>> e) Oversee and assist the work of committees formed by the Council,
>> or
>>> outside the Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the
>>> above
>>> duties, or other duties considered necessary that are not in
>> conflict
>>> with these ByLaws; such as an electoral reform committee, an
>>> environmental issues committee, etc.
>>>
>>> 2.1.4 The County Council shall act as the designated contact
>> persons
>>> for the Green Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested
>> people
>>> to persons who may be designated as spokespeople for the Party at a
>>> General County Meeting.
>>>
>>> SO THEREFORE WE ON THE COUNCIL ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
>>> OPERATIONS OF THE GPSCC AND WILL SERVE TO FACILITATE OUR PARTY AS
>> WELL
>>> AS TO PROTECT IT FROM DOMINATION FROM NON-PARTY (THAT IS NON GPSCC)
>>> MEMBERS.
>>>
>>> So Roy, This drama you're trying to perpetuate re: ML's hissy fit
>> and
>>> exit is a dead issue. period.
>>>
>>> More intersperse below:
>>>
>>> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a
>> part
>>>>
>>>> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts
>> and
>>>> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
>>>> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison
>> for
>>>>
>>>> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a
>> few
>>>>
>>>> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from
>> this
>>>> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living
>>>> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
>>>>
>>>> Albert Einstein
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.
>>>>
>>>> Drew
>>>>
>>>> NOT
>>>>
>>>> Here's a quote from the SC Green website:
>>>>
>>>> "email lists
>>>> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
>>>> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
>>>> relevant to the Green Party."
>>>>
>>>> Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not the
>>>> Santa Clara Greens.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party
>>>> values
>>>>> state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
>>>>>
>>>>> Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing or
>>>> what
>>>>> have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county
>> list.
>>>>
>>>> Please reference above.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC
>>>> fashion
>>>>> what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his
>> action.
>>>> I
>>>>> never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
>>>>> 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined
>> with
>>>> his
>>>>> lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even where
>> he
>>>>
>>>>> is.
>>>>
>>>> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable
>> with
>>>>
>>>> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable
>> censoring
>>>> him.
>>>
>>> Give me a break!
>>
>> Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.
>>
>>>
>>>> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
>>>> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute declaration
>>>> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will stand
>>>> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want
>> however
>>>>
>>>> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your
>> statements.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the
>> area
>>>> again.
>>>
>>> As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because you
>>> needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
>>> Irishmen!
>>
>> I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically
>> posted
>>> previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the Roy
>>
>>> that
>>> had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with
>>> them.
>>>  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted me
>> at
>>> any point)
>>
>> You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on this
>> list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up originally
>> so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought this
>>
>> up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit you.
>>
>>> So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
>>> it.
>>
>> What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you
>> supposedly were going to do something with it.
>>
>>>
>>> As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We need
>> the
>>> efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
>>> possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along w/
>> me
>>> and Andrea and others) to be vital members!
>>
>> That's a whole other kettle of fish.
>>
>>>
>>>> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the
>> way
>>>> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they
>> could
>>>> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about doing
>> so.
>>>>
>>>> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to
>> stir
>>>> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do
>> the
>>>> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
>>>> fuzzy.
>>>
>>> Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were
>> berating
>>> Cameron for the way he runs this list.
>>
>> I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a nuisance.
>> Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was
>> being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt it
>>
>> fair if he was in the line of fire.
>>
>>> In that case it was you
>>> (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a GPSCC
>>> stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to
>> do
>>> his job!!!
>>
>> I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to request
>> an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list
>> (one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to respond
>>
>> in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the hundreds
>>
>> of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I
>> worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to
>> fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They weren't
>> there to fulfill my needs.
>>
>>> So please try to understand how that came across and then
>>> for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have the
>>> right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.
>>
>> There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green Party
>>
>> member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the Green
>> Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so
>> there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.
>>
>> Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a
>> hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word
>> xenophobic to describe this behaviour.
>>
>> I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's transpired
>> here.
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> Duende
>>
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>
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