[Sosfbay-discuss] Applying NVC to the situtation (Re: Ideas from Far-Flung Places

Fri Mar 9 08:34:46 PST 2007

Roy, sure I've got a lot of nerve.  No one has ever accused me of
lacking nerve. ;-)  Here hermano, I've had an idea.  You and I have
thoroughly expressed ourselves in the traditional way thus far and as
we can see it has gotten us not very far.  You and I are both beginners
in the art of NonViolent Communication, so what do you say we try to
apply that and see how much better that works?  I'm thinking it could
not only be a good healing thing to bring you and I back together but
could also demonstrate the amazing power of NVC.  What do ya say? 
Shall we give it a go?  

So I'll start by doing what Ursula Duncan calls a "gift of a guess" to
try to empathically connect with you...

So Roy, are you Feeling pissed off because your need for consideration
is unmet in this situation?

Now I'll just wait for your response before I try to express my
Feelings and Need

Impeach for Peace!

Drew

--- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:

> You've got  lot of nerve Drew. You've been using this type of  
> language all along but never responded at all when I pointed it out. 
> 
> Hell.. you've been throwing "shit" around quite liberally and now one
>  
> little dose and you're wrapping your self in righteous indignation.  
> Amazing dude. (Dude is a kissing cousin to Bubba)
> 
> By the way, you're not a shepherd nor are we sheep. You're a servant.
>  
> You're grandiosity in this role has been obvious to all but the  
> casual observer in more than one of your posts.
> 
> Peace
> 
> Duende
> 
> 
> 
> ___________________________________
> The one conspiracy theory I can always count on to be a lie is the  
> one proposed by the government and main stream media. 9/11 and  
> Weapons of Mass Destruction being perfect examples.
> 
> 
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 2:58 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> 
> > Roy , I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop using such wildly
> > inflammatory language (ie. "Bubba", "rant", "rave", etc) and just
> cool
> > it.  Just because you refuse to acknowledge the purpose of this
> list
> > which it has carried since its inception does not change its nature
>  
> > and
> > does not make my salient points "obfuscating" no matter how much
> you'd
> > wish it would.  Just because you don't acknowledge my sheparding
> role
> > as member of the County Council to protect our GPSCC (ie. THE Green
> > Party that we are talking about) does not alter my role.
> >
> > Check this out:
> > "discussion of topics relevant to the Green Party" = The GPSCC and
> the
> > GPSCC is a member of the GPCA.  So unlike you're extremely literal
> > reading and understanding of this, I reiterate,
> >
> > EVEN THE TITLE ( sosfbay-discuss ) INDICATES THAT THIS LIST IS OF,
> FOR
> > AND BY THE GPSCC.
> >
> > Impeach for Peace!
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Drew
> >>
> >> You're obfuscating the issue. The issue was about this list and
> who
> >> could participate on it.
> >>
> >> Take a look at the website  http://www.cagreens.org/santaclara/ it
> >> says right there that this list is for "discussion of topics
> relevant
> >> to the Green Party". That's it bubba. There's nothing about the
> Santa
> >> Clara Greens only or anything close. It's all in your mind. You
> rant,
> >> you rave, you capitalize letters like a screaming fool but you
> still
> >> have no substance for your position. Now, if it's really important
> to
> >> you you can get this changed by proper methods but until that time
> it
> >> would be nice if you quit your what's becoming a rather abusive
> >> tirade.
> >>
> >>
> >> email lists
> >> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
> >> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
> >> relevant to the Green Party.
> >>
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________________________
> >> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a
> part
> >> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts
> and
> >> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
> >> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison
> for
> >> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a
> few
> >> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from
> this
> >> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living
> >> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
> >>
> >> Albert Einstein
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:00 PM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>
> >>> This list has ALWAYS BEEN by and for the MEMBERS OF THE GPSCC. 
> We
> >> are
> >>> not much limited on  the subject we discuss, but it is a LOCAL
> list
> >>
> >>> for
> >>> and by the Members of the GPSCC.  ALWAYS HAS BEEN, ALWAYS WILL
> BE.
> >>>
> >>> NOTE ROY THAT We (the GPSCC)  are NOT AVAILABLE FOR DOMINATION BY
> >>> NON-GPSCC Members.
> >>>
> >>> Our Bylaws  ( http://cagreens.org/sclara/ ) CLARIFY:
> >>>
> >>> ARTICLE 1 MEMBERSHIP IN THE GREEN PARTY OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY
> >>>
> >>> 1.1 Any voter who has registered as a member of the Green Party
> and
> >>
> >>> who
> >>> is a resident of Santa Clara County also shall be a member of the
> >>> Green
> >>> Party of Santa Clara County.
> >>>
> >>> 1.2 Only active members will vote in official county Green Party
> >>> functions, should a vote be required according to the Consensus
> >>> Process
> >>> described in Article 6. Official functions shall be those at
> which
> >>> decisions are made in the name of the Party.
> >>>
> >>> 1.3 An active member shall be a person who has attended 2 out of
> >> the
> >>> last 5 meetings of the official functions at which (s)he wishes
> to
> >>> vote. For example, a vote at a General meeting, a committee
> >> meeting, a
> >>> local meeting, etc.
> >>>
> >>> WHAT IS MY (DREW JOHNSON'S) ROLE AS  A MEMBER OF THE COUNTY
> >> COUNCIL???
> >>>
> >>> I TURN TO THE BYLAWS AGAIN FOR THE ANSWER:
> >>>
> >>> ARTICLE 2 COUNTY COUNCIL
> >>>
> >>> 2.1 Purposes
> >>>
> >>> 2.1.1 The County Council will fulfill the legal requirement for a
> >>> liaison between the California Green Party and Santa Clara County
> >>> officials. As used in these Bylaws, the term "County Council"
> shall
> >>> have the same meaning as the term "Central Committee" as that
> term
> >> is
> >>> used by the Office of the Registrar of Voters for Santa Clara
> >> County,
> >>> California.
> >>>
> >>> 2.1.2 The Council shall select a secretary and a treasurer from
> >> among
> >>> its members, or may ratify the selection of these officers made
> at
> >> a
> >>> General County Meeting. The Council and/or its officers will be
> >>> responsible for complying with the financial reporting
> requirements
> >> of
> >>> the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC). The Council or
> its
> >>> officers shall be responsible for obtaining an FPPC number for
> >>> financial reporting. The Council may create such committees or
> >>> initiate
> >>> such inquiries as it considers necessary and appropriate to
> perform
> >>
> >>> its
> >>> collective responsibilities as described in these Bylaws.
> >>>
> >>> 2.1.3 Internal to the Green Party, the Council's primary duties
> >>> include
> >>> serving as a coordinating or steering committee to:
> >>>
> >>> a) Facilitate communications between Green Party members within
> the
> >>> county, at county meetings, and between locals within the county.
> >>>
> >>> b) Facilitate communications between the county Green Party and
> the
> >>> State Green Party.
> >>>
> >>> c) Assist Green Party involvement in elections in the county
> >>> (including
> >>> recruiting, advising and assisting Green Party candidates,
> >>> co-ordinating voter registration efforts and tabling, and
> >> supporting
> >>> ballot issues effecting issues of concern to the state or county
> >> Green
> >>> Party).
> >>>
> >>> d) Enhance communications between the county Green Party and
> other
> >>> Green Parties and/or other local organizations which support the
> >>> principals and objectives set forth in the Green Party Platform.
> >>>
> >>> e) Oversee and assist the work of committees formed by the
> Council,
> >> or
> >>> outside the Council by the Party's members, to help carry out the
> >>> above
> >>> duties, or other duties considered necessary that are not in
> >> conflict
> >>> with these ByLaws; such as an electoral reform committee, an
> >>> environmental issues committee, etc.
> >>>
> >>> 2.1.4 The County Council shall act as the designated contact
> >> persons
> >>> for the Green Party of Santa Clara County, and refer interested
> >> people
> >>> to persons who may be designated as spokespeople for the Party at
> a
> >>> General County Meeting.
> >>>
> >>> SO THEREFORE WE ON THE COUNCIL ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
> >>> OPERATIONS OF THE GPSCC AND WILL SERVE TO FACILITATE OUR PARTY AS
> >> WELL
> >>> AS TO PROTECT IT FROM DOMINATION FROM NON-PARTY (THAT IS NON
> GPSCC)
> >>> MEMBERS.
> >>>
> >>> So Roy, This drama you're trying to perpetuate re: ML's hissy fit
> >> and
> >>> exit is a dead issue. period.
> >>>
> >>> More intersperse below:
> >>>
> >>> --- Duende <egroups at duendevision.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> _________________________________________________________________
> >>>> "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a
> >> part
> >>>>
> >>>> limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts
> >> and
> >>>> feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of
> optical
> >>>> delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison
> >> for
> >>>>
> >>>> us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for
> a
> >> few
> >>>>
> >>>> persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from
> >> this
> >>>> prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all
> living
> >>>> creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
> >>>>
> >>>> Albert Einstein
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JamBoi wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Roy, the list has ALWAYS BEEN a GPSCC-specific list.  ALWAYS.
> >>>>
> >>>> Drew
> >>>>
> >>>> NOT
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a quote from the SC Green website:
> >>>>
> >>>> "email lists
> >>>> The Green Party of Santa Clara County has two subscription email
> >>>> lists. One for announcements and one for discussion of topics
> >>>> relevant to the Green Party."
> >>>>
> >>>> Please notice that it says "relevant to the Green Party". Not
> the
> >>>> Santa Clara Greens.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> wouldn't use your term 'geographic bias', but our Green Party
> >>>> values
> >>>>> state we are for LOCAL control, Grassroots Democracy and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Call it spamming (oops, Cameron doesn't like that), or bombing
> or
> >>>> what
> >>>>> have you.  This is a County list and it will remain a county
> >> list.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please reference above.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Furthermore you conveniently ignore the point that in best NVC
> >>>> fashion
> >>>>> what I actually said was that I was uncomfortable with his
> >> action.
> >>>> I
> >>>>> never said that I thought he shouldn't observe.  What I was
> >>>>> 'uncomfortable' with was his sudden frequent posting combined
> >> with
> >>>> his
> >>>>> lack of identifying that he was not a GPSCC member or even
> where
> >> he
> >>>>
> >>>>> is.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the best NVC fashion you told him what you were uncomfortable
> >> with
> >>>>
> >>>> yes. But it was also easy to see you would be comfortable
> >> censoring
> >>>> him.
> >>>
> >>> Give me a break!
> >>
> >> Why ? You were attempting to censure him. Period.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> However in following posts it's obvious you wwre not open to
> >>>> discussion concerning this and have made one absolute
> declaration
> >>>> after another about what YOU will tolerate and what YOU will
> stand
> >>>> for. You can wrap your original comment in anything you want
> >> however
> >>>>
> >>>> it was clear to my self and others what you meant by your
> >> statements.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe you need to work on that NVC. Marshall's coming into the
> >> area
> >>>> again.
> >>>
> >>> As you stated in person when we spoke, you came to NVC because
> you
> >>> needed it and I said the same.  Great!  NVC is great for all us
> >>> Irishmen!
> >>
> >> I'm for the most part English and am a faster learner obviously.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> As to the video although you may not have seen it I publically
> >> posted
> >>> previously to this list that I had misplaced the e-mail of the
> Roy
> >>
> >>> that
> >>> had helped us with the video and that I'd wanted to get back with
> >>> them.
> >>>  (and its not like I've been hiding so you could have contacted
> me
> >> at
> >>> any point)
> >>
> >> You must have used disappearing ink. There's lots of people on
> this
> >> list who could have hooked u up. Also, Fred hooked us up
> originally
> >> so if you wanted me you he sure would have known. Also I brought
> this
> >>
> >> up before and you didn't respond. Only now that it seems to suit
> you.
> >>
> >>> So there you are!  Great!  Let's get together and work on
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> What work on it? My offer was to video tape the event and you
> >> supposedly were going to do something with it.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> As yes, I WILL suggest that you continue to get involved!  We
> need
> >> the
> >>> efforts of ALL our members, especially those with the talents you
> >>> possess.  We're forming a Media Committee and I want you (along
> w/
> >> me
> >>> and Andrea and others) to be vital members!
> >>
> >> That's a whole other kettle of fish.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Anyway, as far as this thread I decided to not let this drop the
> >> way
> >>>> it had with a member of this list being told how and where they
> >> could
> >>>> post by someone who hadn't consulted with anyone else about
> doing
> >> so.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think this topic needs a rest. All I wanted to do was try to
> >> stir
> >>>> some other members of this list to what in my opinion was to do
> >> the
> >>>> right thing but it appears that the right thing still is rather
> >>>> fuzzy.
> >>>
> >>> Well the other problem Roy is that just a few days back were
> >> berating
> >>> Cameron for the way he runs this list.
> >>
> >> I was berating the reply to field. Others also found it a
> nuisance.
> >> Since Cameron was determined to defend the reply to field and was
> >> being held up as an unquestionable authority in the affair I felt
> it
> >>
> >> fair if he was in the line of fire.
> >>
> >>> In that case it was you
> >>> (unelected, unappointed) trying to tell Cameron (who's been a
> GPSCC
> >>> stalwart, creator and mod of this list from the beginning) how to
> >> do
> >>> his job!!!
> >>
> >> I didn't know I had to be elected, never mind  appointed to
> request
> >> an improvement to this list. It was just me, a member of this list
> >> (one of the little people) who was trying to get the list to
> respond
> >>
> >> in an friendlier manner. As I told Cameron off list, of the
> hundreds
> >>
> >> of lists that I controlled for my company as an administrator, I
> >> worked for the list co-administartors/members and attempted to
> >> fulfill their requests when it came to list functions. They
> weren't
> >> there to fulfill my needs.
> >>
> >>> So please try to understand how that came across and then
> >>> for you to take up the banner for this nonGPSCC Member to have
> the
> >>> right to dominate and stir up shit - I don't think so.
> >>
> >> There you go with these gross exaggerations again.  As a Green
> Party
> >>
> >> member Mark made comments concerning the effectiveness of the
> Green
> >> Parties campaign in 2004. He also made references to his state so
> >> there was no intent on his behalf to hide where he was from.
> >>
> >> Drew.. you were wrong to try to limit his participation. You had a
> >> hissy fit your self when Tian quite appropriately used the word
> >> xenophobic to describe this behaviour.
> >>
> >> I'd suggest you take some time and reflect on all that's
> transpired
> >> here.
> >>
> >> Peace
> >>
> >> Duende
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> http://lists.cagreens.org/mailman/listinfo/sosfbay-discuss
> >>
> >
> >
> > ___________________
> >
> > JamBoi
> > Jammy The Sacred Cow Slayer
> >
> > "Live humbly, laugh often and love unconditionally" (anon)
> > http://dailyJam.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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JamBoi
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