[Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribingmefrom regional list

Wed Jul 16 00:37:11 PDT 2008

I gotta agree that general discussion belongs in the discussion forum.
I've not been on that list so I don't know a "crime" was committed,
but I could believe Drew would post discussion items beyond where they go.

I consider the rant below this a bit over the top. Stauffer often acts
grumpy, but I have never seen him hit anyone. If you allow for his 
personality, he is a fine fellow traveler. Please cut him a little slack.

When we have an activist that wants to do the work Jim is doing quite 
well, then is the time to vote him out of office. Until then, I say
"Why can't we all just get along?"

Tian

Drew Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:20, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>> Do any of you know what you're talking about?
> 
> 
> This quote is typically arrogant behavior from Jim Stauffer.  It falls
> entirely within his typical pattern of behavior.  How offensive can you
> get???
> 
> This puts across the entirely elitist message: "Watch out people, do not
> cross Jim Stauffer.  He knows what's best for you.  Do not speak out
> against his outrageous rageaholic behavior because he will slap you down.
> 
> I say the party can not afford to put a rageaholic into a position of
> power.  How many have left our party because of Jim's behavior.  Its worth
> pointing out that Jim behaves consistently in a consistently misogynistic
> manner.  He's a white male and he knows better than you (as in the above
> example).  Just rollover people because Jim is the tyrant and you have no
> right to question any of his hurtful behavior.  Like Bush, he is entirely
> above the shackles of any kind of check on his actions.  Thank you Jim for
> giving us a beautiful example of exactly what we Greens are working to
> overcome in our world today.
> 
> 
> Green is Connection!
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
>> Can any of you tell me the what list he was removed from and the purpose
>> of
>> that list?
>>
>> Have any of you read GPCA net etiquette policy
>> (http://cagreens.org/structure/email_etiquette.shtml) that asks for
>> cooperation from participants on these cost-free, advertising-free lists
>> that the party provides for your use?
>>
>> And, finally, what right do any of you have to tell the small membership
>> of
>> closed, special-purpose list who they have to allow as members and what
>> messages they have to read?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> kaisha_marie at comcast.net wrote:
>>> I appreciate Drew's posts and he is the reason I'm green at all. I don't
>>> understand why his speech would be limited in any green forum. What are
>>> the rules being violated specifically?
>>>
>>> Green is unification,
>>> Kaisha
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
>>>
>>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00
>>> To: Drew Johnson<JamBoi at Greens.org>
>>> Cc: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
>>> unsubscribing
>>>  me	from regional list
>>>
>>>
>>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.  I'm sure he informs
>>> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
>>>
>>> I see no harm.
>>>
>>> Fred Duperrault
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
>>> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
>>> to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
>>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
>>> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
>>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Randy W. Sandberg
>>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is
>>>> not
>>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake
>>>> in such
>>>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I
>>>> request
>>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my
>>>> subscription
>>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
>>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Green is Ethical!
>>>>
>>>> Drew Johnson
>>>>
>>>> County Council Emeritus and
>>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other
>>>> forms of
>>>> service I provide)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>> ----------------------------
>>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>>>> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
>>>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>>>> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked
>>>> several times
>>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.
>>>> This
>>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The
>>>> GPCA
>>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>>>
>>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
>>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite
>>>> discussion
>>>> topics.
>>>>
>>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to
>>>> your
>>>> discussion list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
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