[Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly unsubscribingmefrom regional list

Wed Jul 16 07:54:30 PDT 2008

Jim's mischaracterization that this was about 'general discussion' is
misleading and innacurate and therefore is irrelevant.

Hitting a person is far from the only form of violence.  Month by month we
have been subjected to Jim's violent attitude towards any that disagree
with him.  I know for a fact that numerous people (especially women
because of his misogynistic attitudes) have been turned off of our
county's party and have not returned based on what you call Tian his
'personality'.  Its not his personality.  Its that he is an unrecovered
rageaholic.  He needs help but apparently doesn't take steps to get Anger
Management or whatever it is that would address his issues.  Just in the
past few days a number of Santa Clara Greens have been abused by Jim on
the e-mail list.  This arrogant and tyrannous behavior is completely
unacceptable of someone who we have entrusted with being our Regional
Representative to the GPCA Coordinating Committee.

Further it is not Jim's perview to arbitrarily and unilaterally take a
GPSC County Councilor emeritus
off any GPCA e-mail list.  He is not the king of anything.  He did not
have the right to act in such an emperious way.

We can not afford to continue to turn a blind eye to Jim's ongoing
egregious toxic behavior, so we need to protect our membership by removing
the power investing in Jim's that he is injuring other people and our
party with.

No I will not drop my requests to the County Council.  Absolutely not.

Green is Safe!

Drew

On Wed, July 16, 2008 00:37, Tian Harter wrote:
> I gotta agree that general discussion belongs in the discussion forum.
> I've not been on that list so I don't know a "crime" was committed,
> but I could believe Drew would post discussion items beyond where they go.
>
> I consider the rant below this a bit over the top. Stauffer often acts
> grumpy, but I have never seen him hit anyone. If you allow for his
> personality, he is a fine fellow traveler. Please cut him a little slack.
>
> When we have an activist that wants to do the work Jim is doing quite
> well, then is the time to vote him out of office. Until then, I say
> "Why can't we all just get along?"
>
> Tian
>
> Drew Johnson wrote:
>> On Mon, July 14, 2008 19:20, Jim Stauffer wrote:
>>> Do any of you know what you're talking about?
>>
>>
>> This quote is typically arrogant behavior from Jim Stauffer.  It falls
>> entirely within his typical pattern of behavior.  How offensive can you
>> get???
>>
>> This puts across the entirely elitist message: "Watch out people, do not
>> cross Jim Stauffer.  He knows what's best for you.  Do not speak out
>> against his outrageous rageaholic behavior because he will slap you
>> down.
>>
>> I say the party can not afford to put a rageaholic into a position of
>> power.  How many have left our party because of Jim's behavior.  Its
>> worth
>> pointing out that Jim behaves consistently in a consistently
>> misogynistic
>> manner.  He's a white male and he knows better than you (as in the above
>> example).  Just rollover people because Jim is the tyrant and you have
>> no
>> right to question any of his hurtful behavior.  Like Bush, he is
>> entirely
>> above the shackles of any kind of check on his actions.  Thank you Jim
>> for
>> giving us a beautiful example of exactly what we Greens are working to
>> overcome in our world today.
>>
>>
>> Green is Connection!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>>> Can any of you tell me the what list he was removed from and the
>>> purpose
>>> of
>>> that list?
>>>
>>> Have any of you read GPCA net etiquette policy
>>> (http://cagreens.org/structure/email_etiquette.shtml) that asks for
>>> cooperation from participants on these cost-free, advertising-free
>>> lists
>>> that the party provides for your use?
>>>
>>> And, finally, what right do any of you have to tell the small
>>> membership
>>> of
>>> closed, special-purpose list who they have to allow as members and what
>>> messages they have to read?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> kaisha_marie at comcast.net wrote:
>>>> I appreciate Drew's posts and he is the reason I'm green at all. I
>>>> don't
>>>> understand why his speech would be limited in any green forum. What
>>>> are
>>>> the rules being violated specifically?
>>>>
>>>> Green is unification,
>>>> Kaisha
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Fred Duperrault <fredd at freeshell.org>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:47:00
>>>> To: Drew Johnson<JamBoi at Greens.org>
>>>> Cc: <sosfbay-discuss at cagreens.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Sosfbay-discuss] Jim Stauffer's high handedly
>>>> unsubscribing
>>>>  me	from regional list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate Drew's alerts, leads and his comments.  I'm sure he
>>>> informs
>>>> and energizes many Greens who rely on the discussion list.
>>>>
>>>> I see no harm.
>>>>
>>>> Fred Duperrault
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Drew. In these trying times pretty much everyone, who's
>>>> serious about this planet and it turning GREEN someday, has something
>>>> to say that is important. That is, information about impeachment,
>>>> ending war, healthcare for all, mass transit, bicycling, etc., etc.,
>>>> is all good and points towards a GREENer planet. Thus, Drew's emails
>>>> should be looked upon as a GOOD thing that will help the GREEN party.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Randy W. Sandberg
>>>> www.ENDinjusticeNOW.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Drew Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I vehemently protest this unilateral action by Jim Stauffer.  Jim is
>>>>> not
>>>>> the king of the e-mail list and does not have the right to partake
>>>>> in such
>>>>> high handed behavior.  This is not a "green" way to operate.  I
>>>>> request
>>>>> the County Council instruct Jim to immediately reinstate my
>>>>> subscription
>>>>> to the regional list and make it clear to Jim that this behavior is
>>>>> completely unacceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Green is Ethical!
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew Johnson
>>>>>
>>>>> County Council Emeritus and
>>>>> Elected Delegate the Green National Committee (among many other
>>>>> forms of
>>>>> service I provide)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>> Subject: [SC-SM] Unsubscribing Drew
>>>>> From:    "Jim Stauffer" <jims at greens.org>
>>>>> Date:    Fri, July 11, 2008 18:12
>>>>> To:      "Regional List" <sc-sm at lists.sonic.net>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm unsubscribing Drew Johnson from this list. He's been asked
>>>>> several times
>>>>> to stop posting general discussion issues, and he refuses to do so.
>>>>> This
>>>>> list is defined for a discussion of regional Green Party issues. The
>>>>> GPCA
>>>>> has a list-use policy and his actions violate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew is no longer on the SC County Council, so his only purpose for
>>>>> remaining on this list is to use it to distribute his favorite
>>>>> discussion
>>>>> topics.
>>>>>
>>>>> If any of you San Mateo folks want get his posts, you can add him to
>>>>> your
>>>>> discussion list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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